325: You Can't Mail a Rock
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(upbeat music)
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Hello and welcome to Connected, episode 325.
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It's made possible this week by our sponsors,
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Hover, Mack Weldon, and Pingdom.
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My name is Stephen Hackett
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and I am joined by Mr. Myke Hurley.
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- Hello. - Hello.
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Happy 16th of December to you, sir.
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- Oh, it's my favorite day of the year.
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It's my brother's birthday yesterday, but so today is not important to him either.
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Happy birthday, Marc.
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Happy birthday, Marc.
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And Federico Vittucci.
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How are you?
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Your birthday is not this month.
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No, but it was this year, just like every other year.
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That's how birthdays work.
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Congratulations on having a birthday this year.
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Well, some people cannot say the same, right?
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If you were born on a leap year.
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if you were born on December 17th to 31st you haven't had a birthday this year yet.
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Right, right, that's also a possibility.
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And if you listen to our pre-show you may be feeling like you may never have a birthday again.
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So we've got that going for us I guess.
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Okay, next month Myke and I both have birthdays.
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Interesting.
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That is true actually.
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Which one is more important?
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I don't think there is an importance this year.
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Which birthday has more consequences?
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I'm turning 35.
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Oh you are? Yeah, yours is more important.
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Then Steven's is more important. Sorry, Myke.
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Gosh, that doesn't seem possible because I vividly remember your 30th birthday.
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It was not that long ago.
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Well, got bad news, Myke.
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He bought a tan for himself.
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I thought for my 30th anniversary of being alive, I need a 20th anniversary Mac.
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Are you calling them anniversaries?
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No, I was trying to, like, connect the two.
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You can make it a thing, though.
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Linguistically.
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My birth anniversary?
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The 20th birthday, Macintosh.
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That's a better name.
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All right, we have some follow-up, but before we get there, a quick reminder.
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This is our final normal episode of the year.
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We're taking next week off, but we will be back on December 30th with the Connected Year
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We've already started on it.
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And boys, a lot happened this year,
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like way more than you remember.
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Every year I feel like we do this.
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- Very busy tech year.
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- Big tech year.
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- Very busy tech year.
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- So that will be, we'll record live normally on the 30th
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and it'll be out after that.
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And then we'll be back on January 7th, which is a Thursday,
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one day later for our annual Ricky's.
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So we will grade ourselves in 2020
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and we will make predictions for 2021.
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I've already been thinking about this
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because I boys, I'm playing to win.
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- I have only just realized right now
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that I need to be thinking about this.
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- It's coming up in just a few weeks.
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So that's kind of our,
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the lay of the land for the next several weeks on Connected.
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Myke, back on episode 312,
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there was a bet made
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that you would buy a Series 6 Apple Watch
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by this episode that we're doing now.
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Have you purchased a Series 6 Apple Watch?
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Well boys, I have something to tell you.
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No, I haven't.
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Of course I haven't.
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How can we believe you?
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Do you want to see a picture of the watch I'm wearing?
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I want to see a picture of...
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the drawer where you keep all your watches.
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Well, I'm not at home, so I can't...
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I cannot give that to you.
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But here's the question.
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If I would have bought a Series 6 Apple Watch,
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Why would I not be wearing it?
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To prove us wrong on the bet and mess with the timeline just so you can come out in a few weeks and say
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"Oh, by the way, I ended up buying an Apple Watch" while in fact you already have an Apple Watch.
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Yeah, who would hide a purchase from their co-host? I don't know.
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Do you like... Yeah, you would. That's who.
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Do you... What do you want? Like a picture of my iCloud devices? My Find My? What do you want?
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I feel like we need Adina to confirm with us that you haven't purchased a watch.
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to watch. Yeah, go get Adina. She's not here. I'm at the studio. Steven, why don't you just text her?
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I will text her. I will text her right now and I will provide real-time follow-up.
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So, well, I mean, I can provide you with the real-time follow-up. I haven't bought one.
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I have no... Yeah, but we don't believe you, necessarily. I have no desire for it and none of
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the visual options are as good as the Series 5 white ceramic that I'm wearing right now.
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Okay, alright.
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I am now realizing, is this one of those things where like so many Apple products have found
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their way into my home this year that maybe Adina has completely lost track of what I
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do and don't have?
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She's gonna be like, "Yeah!" and then that's gonna complicate everything.
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So I said, "Urgent life and death matter."
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"Has Myke purchased a Series 6 Apple Watch?"
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You are the worst text message.
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I didn't say that.
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I said suddenly something on a show.
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But that is the kind of thing that you would do.
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Like you just text someone like, "Hey."
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And then like write like dot dot dot dot dot dot dot dot.
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I hate to tell you this, but I'm canceling your podcast.
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I've never done that to anybody.
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This is the kind of message that Stephen would send to someone.
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Okay, while we wait for Adina, we will move on.
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Fitness Plus has launched.
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Mary has used it.
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I think she may join the show again and talk about Fitness Plus because she is, she got
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up at like five o'clock yesterday morning or no, this morning, yesterday morning.
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morning to work out on Fitness Plus. You're not, you don't have fitness right
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now because you have a broken leg. Yes, that's true, well foot, but yes that is true.
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Oh Adina has texted us back saying the latest one, no. The last one he bought
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was the white ceramic one like a year ago. Thank you. See, is there anything else
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that you want? Any other? Well I mean you guys could be in cahoots, we're gonna need
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access to your to your bank account. Do you want me to send a picture to you of
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my iCloud account which shows all of my devices in it.
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- Just send your password, that'll be enough.
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- Just gonna have a secondary iCloud account
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just for the Apple Watch, it doesn't really matter.
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- I win the bet, I've won the bet.
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- Okay, what happens now?
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Whatever, what happens now?
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- Oh. - Nothing happens.
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- Was this a bet without a punishment?
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- It was a bet without consequences.
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- Oh, that is not a bet, it's just something that we said.
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- Well, something you said and I said,
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it's not gonna happen and you were convinced about it
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and I said, it's definitely not gonna happen.
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- But I say a lot of things.
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Did I even say this?
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Did I even say this?
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I find it very strange.
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I don't know.
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I find it very strange that I would say something that's bad without a price or a punishment
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That's true.
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He's into punishment.
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Apple Fitness Plus and the Apple Watch made to work together.
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When you open Fitness Plus, it looks for your watch and it gives you an option that says
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work out without watch.
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And so you just don't get the cool metrics and stuff.
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Oh, so you can do it then?
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Only on an iOS device that does not work on the Apple TV the Apple TV requires you to wear a watch
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I don't know why that doesn't make any sense
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It's because the one person working on tvOS forgot to turn this off. I guess it's also
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Incompatible with airplay so you can't airplay from an iPad like to a TV people think that is to I
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Guess stop piracy of fitness plus because I also have that thing where?
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If you take a screenshot
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It's just black. Oh does it like Netflix and others? Yeah. Yeah like
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Really sure why Apple's so?
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concerned about
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Piracy of fitness plus well you could screen record a lesson and put it up on the internet
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Right, but who wants to do that because like the internet is full of what have videos
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Yeah, but like you don't need Apple Fitness Plus to watch a workout video
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You could just go to YouTube and watch a workout video.
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Right, but what if you really want Apple Fitness Plus?
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Then you probably pay for it.
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I don't know how much of a market there's gonna be for piracy of Fitness Plus workouts.
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Well, it's better to be safe than sorry though, right?
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There's you know, you wouldn't believe the extent that some people go to get stuff for free.
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Yeah, but those people will get these things for free then. You know what I mean?
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Like, everybody knows, right?
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You cannot stop piracy.
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If people want something, they will find a way to get it.
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-Sure. -Sometimes you end up
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making things more difficult for people.
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-Right. -Like, this is, like,
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the whole Quibi thing, right?
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Like, they did this, and then people couldn't share podcasts,
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uh, screen recordings or screen captures of their shows.
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And then it was one of the reasons nobody cared.
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But, like, do you, like, as a user,
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do you really have to take screenshots anyway,
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while you're doing a workout.
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No, but then that for me is like another reason why like why even bother doing it then.
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You know what I mean? Like why?
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Because most people who are gonna do that are gonna pirate the content.
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So might as well just put in the blocking feature.
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What if it's like you want to just record it for your own personal use? I understand.
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Right and that is exactly the problem that we are having at Mac Stories but it's you know...
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what's better, to make it easier for bloggers to take screenshots and screen recordings
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or to at least establish a threshold where you can avoid piracy, you know, potentially
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for millions more users. So I don't like it. I mean, it's causing, you know, trouble capturing
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that content. How are you doing it? But I'm not, well, I don't know. Taking photos, I
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guess. But basically I'm not shocked that, you know, it's the same of when you're
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doing a screen recording and you're listening to something on Apple Music and
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the music stops while you're recording the screen.
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You know, this is the thing. But, you know, like, yeah, you can go to you can go
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YouTube and listen to the same song for free.
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But these companies, they always use is different, though, because Apple doesn't
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own the rights to it so like they're kind of bound into that by... anyway this is not important.
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I haven't tried Fitness Plus yet, I'm planning on digging into it this weekend, but I am very
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intrigued. People, I've seen a lot of people talking about it online and there's been a
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bunch of videos and reviews and stuff published and people seem really like into it, like that
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that it's well made, that the instructors seem
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super good at it.
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I think Apple made a right move in going out
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and hiring people already in these spaces
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because there isn't like a, this is, you know,
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they didn't have to get people and then train them
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to be good on camera and stuff, you know?
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It's just like, this is what you do,
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you're good at it, go for it.
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I did notice that one of the videos,
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that one of the instructors was a guy with a prosthetic leg
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and I thought that was super cool.
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Like in the core workout thing,
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I just did a little detail, I saw it in a screenshot,
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and I just thought that was like super cool,
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like to normalize that kind of thing, so.
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- We got big news, guys.
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- Through the power of Salesforce, Slack has new emoji.
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- But they don't know, do they?
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- Well, that's sort of the problem here.
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So Slack, it has rolled out, or is rolling out still,
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two new like packs of emoji.
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One is like this alphabet thing and the other is called remote work.
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It's like just working, people working, doing things at home.
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But they have yet to support the emoji from now the last two releases.
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Yeah, they're not emoji, they're sticker packs, but they're calling them emoji.
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And for some reason they're putting the effort in there when they are currently not supporting
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the actual emoji release from 2019.
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That's how far back they are.
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I hate Slack, I hate it.
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I hate it. That's where I've landed. I'm getting so frustrated with it. So that's where I am.
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Slack is terrible and boring.
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I imagine a cool, fun-loving, hip company like Salesforce will fix this immediately.
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I said not the right way to describe them.
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I mean, for all we know, they are. We don't know anything about them.
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So they could be super cool. I don't know anything about them at all.
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So maybe they're cool.
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Guys, I have big news.
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- They have more, but it's a lot of big news.
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It's like hit after hit from you today.
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- Steve has designed me a custom,
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remember the milk emoji, or icon.
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- You could just call it an emoji.
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- Well, a tattoo as well.
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I'm using it all over the place.
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So it is a cow that I am milking.
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The cow has Mac Pro wheels on it,
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which is a little upsetting.
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And I'm milking it into what seems to be a bucket,
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but kind of looks like a big thing of beer.
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And in like a little thought bubble,
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I have a milk jug.
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- Milk carton.
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Have you set this as a custom icon with shortcuts?
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- No, 'cause I'm using Todoist.
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- You should set it for that for Todoist.
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This is an, it's an incredible icon.
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It's an incredible logo.
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The attention to detail is incredible from your feet, Steven.
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- This is made in paint.
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Looks like it's made in paint.
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- To the little, you know,
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to the little wheels that the cow has.
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the Mac Pro hooves. Yes. And the thinking bubble where you're just thinking milk with
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a shocked expression on your face. Well he's remembering the milk. Oh, I'm remembering
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the milk. Yeah. Therefore I need to milk the cow. It's really, this is almost an impressionistic
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painting when you think about it. Or this is like the, you know, cause this has got
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to have happened to a farmer at some point in their lives, right? Everyone needs to get
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milk sometimes you've got to imagine that someone has been milking a cow once
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and they're like I gotta get milk right as you're literally doing that yeah
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like oh it reminds me today oh man straight from the source yes like I
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should do it I'll eat the milk out today just like I don't know Stephen are you
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gonna use this icon? I'm setting it up right now. Most of all I just kind of want to know
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whatever is going on with your body and specifically with your left leg and your bottoms. They're
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broken we know that. You're very angular in the left part of your body and you're very
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curvy in the left leg. Thank you. Hey is getting a unified inbox. Hey. So this was something
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that was one of the many big innovation sons that I had about using Hey as a platform in
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the long run. And I think we all kind of agreed that surely they would add this at some point.
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And I mean, it's worth noting that as we said before, the business service that Federico
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is using is not publicly available yet, but they've said that they will be adding in the
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ability to have a unified inbox for personal and business accounts at some point in the
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future, which is great. I can imagine you're very happy about this Federico.
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Yeah, yeah, this is great news. So far I'm still using just like a single work account,
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so I don't really have a need for a unified inbox, but I suppose it could be handy for,
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know the future if we set up a different user on Mac stories having shared access
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with the unified inbox I guess that's gonna be nice so yeah it's nice to see
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that they're adding more traditional features I wonder how this is gonna work
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in terms of accessing like you know sending something to the feed or the
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paper trail with unified approach so that's gonna be interesting I'm curious
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to see how it works in practice but it's nice I like that there you know
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adding features from the old school of doing email. So yeah, good sign.
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I've made my icon.
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It looks good.
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Thank you. I'm putting it on my home screen.
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You're putting it on your home screen? Alright, I want to see it on the home screen.
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Alright, let's see.
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We can put that in the show notes.
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You do lose some of the detail at that size.
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Like your little hands touching the, you know, what are they called? Anyway, I don't know. Still.
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Are they, isn't the whole thing, aren't they teats and the whole thing is an udder?
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I think that's how it works.
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I don't know.
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Not a farmer.
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Well, I mean, I have an image that would suggest that you in fact are.
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Like Greenfield, you and the wheel-equipped cow,
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just milking away.
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If there's one thing that 2020 has taught me is that
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I can believe what I see on the internet, and so
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I see this, therefore I believe it. You are a milk farmer.
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Otherwise, how do you think this person, Steve, was able to come up with such an excellent
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and detailed drawing, Steve?
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Exactly. Wow.
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Are you sure you didn't make this yourself?
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I didn't make it myself.
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Are you Steve?
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It's super convenient, isn't it?
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No, I hate my name being shortened to Steve.
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It's just Steve Hack. That's this guy.
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Steve Hack is an internet persona.
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No one's ever heard of him before.
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He sends in the feedback.
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He sent it to me privately.
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Isn't it convenient that there's this Steve person.
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This is not the first time that this Steve person has sent in some feedback that seemingly
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agrees with you or supports you, Steven.
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Or makes you look cool like a farmer.
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What's going on, Steve Hack?
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Let's not talk about listener Steve.
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Let's talk about listener Tim.
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- Quarry owner Tim.
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- Oh, quarry team.
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- Quarry Tim.
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- So last week we had feedback from listener Tim
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about the iPhone leather sleeve,
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iPhone leather sleeping bag,
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fleshy sleeping bag for the phone.
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And Tim wrote in saying, "Hey, in my line of work,
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"I often get like sharp things in my pockets
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"and I don't wanna scratch my phone up."
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So we guessed that Tim worked in a quarry,
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but turns out Tim is a letter carrier
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for the United States Post Office, which is pretty cool.
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Out delivering mail every day.
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- How dangerous a job is this?
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- Well, if you look at the picture in the show notes
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that I'm also pasting into the Relay FM members Discord,
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which you get if you're a Relay FM member,
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he has destroyed previous phones.
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So Tim writes--
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- Oh my word.
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- So let me finish reading the feedback.
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- This is lots and lots of paper cuts.
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What's happened to this phone?
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- That's right.
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So postal letter carriers drive around in the US in what's called the LLV.
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There's also a link to that in the show notes. If you live in America you've
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probably seen these, the little cute adorable little delivery trucks. They're
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old and like falling apart, a bunch of them catch fire, but what Tim says is they
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because they're kind of, they're pretty open, like all the doors open like maybe
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you're in a rural area, they seem to get a lot of rocks and like sand and little
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debris in them. And so he shared a picture of his old iPhone SE and
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basically there's like spots rubbed through the finish. The anodized gold on
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the back. It looks like it's been through a war or something. You don't want that
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to happen to a new phone. I guess I'm still not sure why are these vehicles
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full of rocks. That's the part that I still don't understand. People need to mail
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rocks to each other? No, you can't mail a rock. If you need to, how else are you gonna
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do it? Well, still though, like, Tim makes it sound like these vehicles are just full
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of rocks flying around and entering their pockets. I mean, you can imagine, like, you
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get in and out of this thing a bunch of times during the day, you can see how the door opens
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all the way to the bottom and the back, and a bunch of these do get run in rural areas
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where maybe you were on dusty gravel roads.
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You could see, I could see how it could happen.
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I mean, maybe Tim just needs Velcro on his pockets.
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- Requires a lot of imagination, but yeah, okay.
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Not really feed follow-up.
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That is something I selfishly wanted to announce on the show.
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So I'm gonna do that.
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I'm gonna be doing a Twitch stream December 17th,
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that's tomorrow as I'm speaking now,
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at noon Eastern, 5pm London, 9am Pacific. I'm going to put an SSD in a titanium powerbook
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G4. It's going to be the fastest G4 ever. So, don't want to miss that.
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Is there a possibility that you're going to break this?
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No, I'm good at this sort of stuff.
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Okay. Alright, I'll trust you. I guess we'll all see together, right?
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tune in the machine works now will it work afterwards it will so anyways I'm
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excited about that this is filed under the I haven't left my house in some time
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relay FM. All right, there is a new version of iOS 14 out in the world. What is in it
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They're here.
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They're here!
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That is the big new feature of iOS 14.3.
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Wait, I thought app clips were already around.
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Well, app clip codes, I guess.
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What does that mean?
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The QR code, the fancy QR codes.
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The special QR codes that Apple supports for app clips.
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You can now scan those and you get the pretty animation.
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It's been funny, I haven't been collecting them for follow-up, but we've gotten quite
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a few tweets and emails from people seeing these out in the world now.
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I think people are just seeing them all in one place, a gas station. It's like some gas
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station or something.
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Yes, I think it was the same gas station for literally everyone who sent a note to us.
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So yeah, congrats to Apple for shipping AppClip to one gas station in America.
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Little did you know that that one AppClip just turns your phone into a Bitcoin mining
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them. So everyone that sent that to us, that's what your phone's doing now. It's just mine
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and Bitcoin.
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That is an unfortunate consequence. Yes.
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Yep. Sorry about that.
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So app clip codes can now be generated by developers. They can make stickers with them.
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They can share them as images on social media and you can scan them from the camera app
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or via the code scanner that you can add to Control Center.
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Now, besides that big change,
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14.3 also comes with support for Apple ProRAW,
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which is the new RAW format
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that you can shoot pictures with
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on your iPhone 12 and 12 Pro.
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There's this really good overview
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of what ProRAW is and what it does,
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and RAW photography in general
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on the blog of the Halide Photography app.
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The developer, Ben Sandovski,
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has done a really excellent overview of the format,
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what it does, and sort of a,
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what does Apple mean when they say,
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you get all the benefits of RAW,
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plus the computational photography aspects
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that the iPhone camera can capture and process.
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So go check it out, because it's really well explained,
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really well done.
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- Yeah, Austin Mann, famed iPhone photographer,
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did a really good piece on when,
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I thought it was particularly useful,
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when is the right time to use it
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and when it may actually work against you.
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So we'll have that in the show notes too.
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- And the visual comparisons that Austin did
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are also really well done.
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You can see, like you can literally see all the details
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that you cannot have in the JPEG or HIC version of a photo,
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and you see more details after processing ProRAW.
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So go check it out because it really helps
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visualize at a glance what does it actually mean in practice. The other
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feature we mentioned this before Apple Fitness Plus, this also requires
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watchOS 7.2 if you're gonna use your Apple Watch and TV OS 14.3 if you're
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gonna use it on an Apple TV. You can sign up for Fitness Plus from the fitness app
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which is now also available on the iPad. On iPad it is not a pre-installed
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application you need to download it from the App Store and just like any other
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apps made by Apple that you can delete on your device you can also find them as
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individual listings on the App Store. Why do you think they did that? I don't know.
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I don't know why. I mean I can assume it's like... It should be pre-installed, right?
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thing that they're doing for like antitrust stuff maybe I don't know but
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like it's inconvenient right like whatever but yeah yeah fine the other
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feature is big changes to shortcuts and adding shortcuts to the home screen
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before we get into this one though there was also the wallpaper one right that
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stayed that's actually in the shipping version now that you can change your
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wallpaper, is that true? Did that stick? Oh yes, yes. The set wallpaper action is now
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included in shortcuts. I have a pretty sweet update to one of my shortcuts coming based
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on this action that I should be able to share this week on the site. So there's set wallpaper
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and also there's new edit actions for editing reminders, contacts and calendar events, I
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believe. And then the change to adding icons on the home screen. If you are among the people
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making custom icons for launching apps on your device.
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Like Steve and Steven, who are also the same person.
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Same person, yeah.
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It's not me!
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You'll be happy to know that you can now create those shortcuts and add them as icons, and
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when you tap the icon on your home screen, it doesn't redirect you to shortcuts first,
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it launches the destination app directly.
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And if you have these icons from previous versions of iOS that you created in September
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with iOS 14, the new behavior will apply to those old icons as well. So just update to iOS 14.3,
00:28:45
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and when you tap those custom icons, you will be taken directly to the destination app that the
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shortcut wants to launch. You will not see shortcuts opening first. This also applies to
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utilities that allow you to install custom icons, not via shortcuts, but via profiles,
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via custom profiles on your device. However, Apple made a change during the iOS 14.3 beta.
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So, up until beta 2, I want to say, they removed the redirect behavior when changing the icons for
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system apps as well. So I was able to create custom icons for Safari, Photos, Apple Music,
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built-in Apple apps using a utility called icon board.
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And those icons on 14.3 Beta 2,
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they were not doing any redirect.
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So when you tapped on the custom Safari icon,
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Safari opened directly, which was awesome.
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And then Apple made a change in Beta 3, I believe,
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where they went back to the old behavior.
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Now you can, if you wanna use icon board
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or other utilities for making custom icons--
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How does icon board work? What is this?
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Icon board, it lets you create,
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it's a visual editor for making custom icons on your iPhone.
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And it lets you create icons for third-party apps
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and for system apps.
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For system apps, it needs to do a redirect
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where you tap on the icon, you see icon board for a second,
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and then you're taken to Safari photos or whatever.
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For third-party apps, it's basically
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a fancy URL scheme launcher.
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You're just saying, I want to launch Twitter,
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I want to use this icon, and you create a profile,
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and you install the profile,
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and then you have a custom icon that opens Twitter.
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And for third-party apps, you don't have any limitations.
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- Yeah, I don't like the profile installing thing.
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- Oh yeah, but it's fine.
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You're literally just installing like a web,
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you can take a look at the profile file,
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and you're literally just installing like a web clip.
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That's all it does.
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- Do you have to install a profile for every app?
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- No, what's nice about Iconboard is that it lets you
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create multiple pages of custom icons.
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Like you have these multiple home screens in the app
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and you can create say 10 icons
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and then you can install them all at once.
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- And then it just drops them on your home screen?
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- Yeah, on the last page.
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And then you can place them wherever you want.
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And so what I've been doing is for some third-party apps,
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I've created custom icons, and then I've used the new iOS 14 feature that lets you hide
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an application from the home screen, and it sends it to the app library instead. So I
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have marked as hidden the default icons for stuff like Twitter and Slack and GoodTask,
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and I'm using the custom icons instead. I purchased a bunch of icon packs from Michael
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Fredrop has a really nice set called Juice and Vidit from the Lookup team has a set called
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Asteeth or Aesthetic, I think. Yeah, there's a bunch of people making really beautiful sets
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these days and I'm using IconBoard to install them. There's also a shortcut that I didn't make,
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but you can find it on Reddit, you can find it on RoutineHub. It's called IconThemer and this is
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quite impressive because it's a shortcut that does the same, like it creates profiles and it lets you
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create profiles with custom icons entirely via shortcuts. And at the end you have a profile that
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is open in Safari and you just say install and you can even back up those custom profiles
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created via Icon Themer to the Files app. And so what I did was I exported my custom profiles from
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icon themer on the iPhone 12 Pro, and I re-imported them on the iPhone 12 Pro Max
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that I received yesterday. Yeah, because I assume that this stuff doesn't sync very well.
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It doesn't. And my hope was that when that thing happened, when Apple made that switch
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in the iOS 14.3 beta when they said you cannot install custom icons for system apps anymore.
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If you had installed them before, they kept working. So I was on the 14.3
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GM or release candidate and I still had my custom Safari icon and my custom Apple Music icon and
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they kept working because I had installed them before the change in the beta.
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Why... what's the reasoning for this? Why can't I have a custom icon for Safari?
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It's silly, right?
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But that's BS though, right?
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Because what Apple was saying, that their icons are more important than anybody else's icons?
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No, and especially like the Safari... have you seen the Safari icon? I mean it's...
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No, but it's like, oh, we won't let you change our icons, but everybody else's icons, go crazy.
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Go do what you want, go wild, like you can just go for it.
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Like, really what they should do...
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What they should do is they should have a native system for changing all the icons you want.
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They should have a theme or feature.
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Well, I think that this is probably going to be the main feature of iOS 14.
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They really should consider it because, I mean, I get it. I get it. Designers,
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they care about the icons that they craft and work on. I totally get it.
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But, you know, millions of people like to customize their stuff.
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And, you know, I think they should give it to the people, this option.
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Like from settings, imagine like a simple page where you go in, you see all the apps,
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and you just change icon, and you pick an image, or you pick a file, and you're done.
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No shortcuts, no profiles.
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That's the way it should be.
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So I really hope that they enable this option next year.
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Using shortcuts, using profiles is really a clever workaround.
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It's a clever hack, but it could be so much better.
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Yeah, so in 14.3, but this thing with launching shortcuts from the home screen, it goes beyond
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icons, right? All kinds of shortcuts that you want to add to the home screen as an icon
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can now use CompactUI. In fact, one of the main reasons that I think I sort of stopped
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using my own Max Stories shortcuts icons was the limitations around CompactUI. It used to be that
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those icons, they would take me to shortcuts first, and I was kind of annoyed and I was kind of sad
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because it meant that I had to use widgets. But widgets are not as compact as icons, you know?
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In the same slot of a small widget on the home screen, I can fit four shortcuts icons.
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And so now I'm happy again, because it means we can keep working on the max storage
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shortcuts icons, we can make new ones, and they have the same functionality and the same speed
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of widgets, which is great. I meant iOS 15 by the way. Let me ask you about the custom icons that
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you're using. Yeah. Why are you doing it? Are you doing it because you were testing it? Are you doing
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it because you were testing it now you love it? Or were you doing it because you really wanted to
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to change the icons. You know what I mean?
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I really like the idea of personalization myself as a thing. And now that it's possible,
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I'm more inclined to do it, just like I was inclined to do it on Mac OS when it was easy
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to do, like years ago, stuff like Candy Bar, for example, that made it so easy to change
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icons. And I was so into that. So there was that component, but it's also the fact that
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some of the icons that I have are super ugly. Like the Safari icon, I really can't stand,
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and now it's back on my home screen and I don't like it. The "Hey" icon with the scribbled
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hand, I mean, come on, is that an icon? It looks like a drawing from a one-year-old.
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I really don't get it. Like, why is it a scribbled hand? It's so ugly. And so I just took one
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of, I believe I used one of Vidit's email icons. It's a really pretty icon with the
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@ symbol in the middle of an envelope. It's really nice. So now I have a decent icon for "Hey".
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Yeah, it's mostly about just customizing stuff, making it my own, and putting in icons that I like.
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I've kind of grown tired of... we've effectively had the same icons since 2013 with iOS 7 for things
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like the App Store and Safari and Reminders. I guess Reminders changed to an extent, but
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you know those icons are kind of boring and designers are doing more interesting things
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with depth and sort of like Big Sur inspired designs. So yeah, so I've been using this setup
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for like over a month now. It's not like I was testing it and now I'm gonna... You know,
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the performance is so good now that all you lose effectively is the ability to long press
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and use the quick actions. It used to be like the 3D touch quick actions on the home screen.
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But I don't use those anymore. I used to, but now I don't. And so even more reason to
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say, you know what, I'm going to use the custom icons and I'm not losing anything effectively.
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I've been thinking about it, but for me, I kind of have this feeling that like, I know
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they're going to make it a pain for me at some point.
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And it's like that idea of like, well, if you move to a new phone, they don't move over.
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Yeah, that's one of the problems, even if you restore.
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Like I did this yesterday, I restored from a backup, but those certificates, they don't
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move over, which is unfortunate.
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I think I've been more interested about for myself is not necessarily the idea of a custom
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icon for an app, but a custom icon for something inside of an app that I can get to with shortcuts.
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So like opening an app to a certain point or opening a certain note or something like
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that and having app icons for those as opposed to like having a new slack icon or whatever.
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Because I think one of the things that I've found is like,
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if I'm going to do it, I probably want them all to be in one style.
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And I've yet to find a pack that I could do all of the apps that I have on my home screen with.
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You know, like how you have kind of like mixed two different packs together.
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I kind of feel like I would maybe want one pack.
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But like that's just going to be a thing that over time.
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I thought about that.
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But when you think about it, when you install apps from the App Store, you're installing
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icons made by different companies, made by different designers, so it's always been like
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you're using different packs when you think about it.
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Yeah, I see that point of view for sure, but I do feel like if I wanted to do this a lot,
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I would like some visual consistency between them all.
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But I don't know, but then you end up in the situation where, like you did, you might have
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that one that you don't like, and then what do you do?
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And then you're back to square one again.
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this is something I'm keeping my eye on but I wasn't on the beta train so I
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wasn't able to play around with it until now and and I did do it last night just
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to test and I was like oh this is actually quite cool so it's something
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that I have I'm like keeping an eye out for now as other applications start
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sorry other designers start creating different packs and stuff like that or
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existing designers keep adding to their packs which I think is also a strong
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possibility I mean Stephen's already doing it with Todoist anyway so he's all set.
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This has never really been something that I'm super interested in. Like even
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back in the day with like candy bar where you could do this with Mac icons,
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not just app icons, but like things like in Finder and you go all the way down
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and I just never really, it never really worked for me. Part of the reason, Myke,
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like you said, that it feels fragile in a way and maybe it's gonna break at some
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point or just be a pain if you have to replace your device but I'm generally
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why it works why I don't try to and and honestly I think with this it may be
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different I mean candy bar lasted until mountain lion which seems like a miracle
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but I think on iOS and iPad OS Apple may embrace this and actually make it
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easier but it's just like a layer of stuff on top of the OS and I don't know
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I don't really care.
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Does the little notification not bother you Federico?
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That would bother me.
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Well no, because when you use certificate based utilities, you don't see the notification.
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You only see the notification if you use a shortcut based approach.
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And also another reason why I don't like to do that, because I tried that and I was so
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annoyed by the notification, by the banner that confirms the shortcut, that I went looking
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for other solutions like the next day. It's like, no, no way. You cannot even dismiss
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that thing. There's no setting to hide it. You're forced to see, even if you've tapped
00:42:26
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the icon like 200 times, you're still going to see the banner that says, "Hey, you ran
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this shortcut. Yeah, go figure. I did."
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What about app badges? Because you don't get badges on these, right?
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No, you don't. And it's a feature, the way I see it.
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- See, that's what's gonna break my Todoist one for me,
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'cause Todoist is one of the few apps
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that I allow to batch. - Oh, you keep badges
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for your task manager?
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- Yeah. - Oh no.
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No, stop doing that.
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- No, I need to know how much I've left to do during the day.
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- No, use a widget or you just open the app anyway,
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because you're opening the app anyway.
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You don't need to see the number.
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The number just causes you anxiety.
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So you either just open the app, which you do anyway,
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or use a widget, which at the very least
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gives you the context of what the things are.
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Just seeing the red number puts you in a state where you know you have things
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left to do, but you don't know what, which makes you even more anxious.
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So you either just tap the icon or use a widget,
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which at the very least it gives you some visual context of like a visual
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preview. So you know what it is. I should be a productivity,
00:43:31
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I should be productivity coach. This is what I'm going to do next.
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I'm going to be a productivity guru.
00:43:36
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Perfect. And teach people how to use icons.
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It feels like a limited business, but maybe it's not.
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I don't know, I feel like I've made a pretty decent living out of it at this point.
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Alright, so we're going to talk about our impressions of the air pod air pods max, just
00:45:51
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one of them just the left one.
00:45:54
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Federico I think you have the most to say so I think Myke and I are going to go first
00:45:59
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because you're like testing things with gold monster cables and...
00:46:02
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Or we can have a conversation. It doesn't have to be a list of people.
00:46:06
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That's also very true.
00:46:07
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Like it's a podcast. It's not a, you know...
00:46:10
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So can we start with the case?
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But you can start, yes.
00:46:14
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Okay, I want to start with the case because it's dumb and embarrassing.
00:46:18
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It's really bad.
00:46:19
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It's really... it feels like it's made of scraps from the Magic Keyboard.
00:46:28
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I really don't get it. It's dumb and the single, like we talked about, the fact that it has
00:46:39
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magnets and I mentioned how it's interesting that keeping that ultra low power mode to
00:46:47
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preserve battery but also to make sure that you never have to turn off or on the headphones,
00:46:52
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that's super nice. But because it appears to be based entirely just on a couple of magnets
00:46:58
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inside the case, I'm really keen to see if at this point third party companies can come
00:47:03
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in and make actual protective cases that also have the same magnets and which align the
00:47:11
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same way so that you keep the same benefits of the smart case made by Apple but in an
00:47:17
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actual protective case design. Because right now it just feels like you're putting these
00:47:21
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under you know, you're tucking them in, you're like, "Yeah, yeah, yeah, you go little AirPods,
00:47:26
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go to sleep and it's like you're not and you look stupid just holding them and walking
00:47:32
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around with them it's like I don't get it you have this little you've made this little
00:47:36
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bad for your headphones and you're not really protecting anything and so yeah I hope that
00:47:41
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I saw a tweet by MKBHD I still have to watch his review so you mentioned potentially mentioned
00:47:47
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mentions this in this in the review as well but because it seems to be based on a couple
00:47:51
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magnets inside the case, then I guess somebody else can copy the design, make an actual hard
00:47:58
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plastic case that protects the headphones, but also keeps them in the low power state,
00:48:03
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so that you have the same benefits in a much better design.
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The thing that I just find so baffling about it is that it doesn't offer hardly anything
00:48:12
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in terms of protection. Like, the aluminum is exposed, but I think most critically the
00:48:17
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fabric across the headband is exposed.
00:48:20
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And I mean, that feels that we're gonna talk about this in a second, but that fabric feels
00:48:24
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like it could be damaged pretty easily by something sharp.
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And then like, then where are you?
00:48:31
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Like what do you then what do you do?
00:48:33
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So I agree with you, I think that we're going to see some third party cases for this, that
00:48:39
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just put magnets where magnets need to be for them to go to sleep.
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we can all forget this terrible nightmare of this case.
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For me, it's my only knock on the product.
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It's the only thing I don't like.
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There's actually a slight thing, which I'll get into in a second, but this is the thing
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that they have included that I think doesn't necessarily cheapen the product, but doesn't
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make me feel better about it.
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I feel like just a case that covers the most fragile parts would have been way better.
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And in the review that you'll see Federico, the MKBHD points out that I really like, is
00:49:17
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like even the case doesn't like, it doesn't even line up properly.
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Like the lightning port that is a cut out for the lightning port and it doesn't line
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up properly.
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It's like it just seems cheap.
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It's not good.
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Like it's really not good.
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I mean, I'm using it because I have it.
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And so like, I'm just going to keep it in my bag and I'll just,
00:49:39
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when I have my AirPods in my bag, I'll put it in this thing.
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But as soon as somebody comes out with a better case, I'll get it.
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But like, if I was going on bigger trips, I would try and get something,
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even just like a drawstring pouch to put them in instead,
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because that would at least stop the like the headband and stuff
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from potentially getting damaged if it was in a little bag,
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like even like a little drawstring bag as opposed to this one where the only thing that it's
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protecting that could get damaged is the part that can be replaced which is the ear cups.
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Yeah, I will say the case design does lead to a funny side effect speaking of the ear cups,
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so listen to this. Yeah, I did that today.
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You can squeeze them and all the air comes out of the phone.
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Yeah. It's weird.
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Yeah, it's very strange. The other thing that is a slight knock for me is like I cannot believe
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that they didn't put MagSafe on these things for charging.
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Oh, so you could like lay them down on top of a puck?
00:50:38
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No, you just clip the puck on one of the ear cups.
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I don't know why I have to charge this thing with lightning.
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Like, it seems so strange to me for them not to have found a way to make that work.
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Like, it's really, I find it really weird.
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Like, I mean, it seems like the engineers who are in charge of
00:50:56
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charging products at Apple all hate each other.
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So they have some people, products charge over USB-C, some charge over Lightning, some get MagSafe, some don't get MagSafe.
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Some get Qi.
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Get on the same page.
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Yep, I really think that this, I mean I can't work out why they didn't build this with that in mind.
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Like, I really think that that's something that they should have had.
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Because it's just like a weird omission to me that I have to, like my other AirPods charge with a MagSafe charger.
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like and they're just these little things and they've made that work so
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there's surely space in the ear cup to put a wireless charging coil in there
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it's just strange to me like whatever it's it my my only not to defend the the
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move but the only thing I think that may have been a factor is that drivers are
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basically magnets and I wonder if there would be some sort of issue with
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wireless charging when you've got these big magnets inside the ear cups.
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Yeah, I mean they said that they managed to shield the wallet.
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That's not so true.
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Yeah, it is.
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I mean, I'm just saying like that could be a factor and maybe it was, but on the whole
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though, like Apple needs to get this charging situation under control.
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Like just move everything to USB-C, rip the band-aid off, and some stuff gets wireless
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on top of that.
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Yeah, the USB-C and where you don't have a port, have it work with MagSafe.
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lightning needs to go now it does lightning has had its day in the Sun we
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were very happy to have it it was great you know at the time when everything
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else was terrible you know like remember when lightning was introduced all of the
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other charging solutions will like they were one directions on the directional
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like you know you plug them in one way right it's all like USB or USB mini
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micro USB or that kind of stuff but now USB C is vastly superior clearly Apple
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agree for some things right but not everything if you know these these
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headphones should have had it they should have USB C on them and then I
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wouldn't be so bummed out about it but it's like just super annoying to me but
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anyway outside of that though I absolutely I love them I love them I
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mean look I've had them for like 30 hours and I've been trying to put as
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much use into them as I can during that period of time for all of the things
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that I would use my headphones for. So more music than I would typically listen
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to but like that's really the best way to tell how good or bad they sound right
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is by using music. I've watched videos, I've listened to podcasts, all that kind of
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stuff and I would say that like yeah they're very easily the best headphones
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I've ever owned like for listening to things. Like I have nice headphones you
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like the headphones that I use for recording right now, the Bear Dynamic DT 770s, they're
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really nice headphones but they're not like, they're not tuned in the way that these are,
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at least they don't sound that way to me. They just, I absolutely adore the way that they sound.
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They had that thing that I mentioned before about like I could hear things in songs that
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I didn't think I'd noticed before. I definitely had that experience. The clearest one to me was
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listening to Last Night by The Strokes and there was a guitar strum that was just in the right
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channel that I just never heard in the way that I heard it with these headphones. And that's the
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experience I was looking for. I wanted a rich sound and I wanted it for there to be complexity
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to the sound and for things to be separated in a really interesting way.
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Honestly these remind me both in the way that they sound and the way that I feel about them,
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they remind me of the HomePod, which I guess makes a lot of sense, right?
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But like the experience that I've had listening to music on these things reminds me of what
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it's like to listen to my music on a HomePod, where it's like this sounds really good and
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good in a way that the products that I had before, like the Amazon echoes, did not sound right. Like
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the echo that I was listening to music on before was like one of the cylinder echoes
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and I replaced it with the home pod. It's like this is so much better and I know I'm not the
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best judge of this. Like I frequently make the jokes right and like about if the music's tinny
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and what the mids sound like and that kind of stuff. Because I, you know, I do honestly,
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if you think you can hear that kind of stuff great i mostly think that that's bologna honestly
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and i i do think that a lot of people don't know what they're hearing but they just say it's one
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thing or another but like there's absolutely no way for you to know how i hear something
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right it's like really it's like a very hard thing to communicate to people
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well but the the fact that that you don't know what they mean doesn't mean that they don't exist
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i never said they don't exist i said what i said is i think a lot of people that say that kind of
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a thing, don't know what they're talking about, I'm not saying everyone, I very much believe
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that you, because the way that you explain things to me is different to that, like I
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feel like I watch a lot of YouTube videos and there are a lot of people that tell me
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that like "oh there's good in the mids and there's tinny on the high end and there's
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low frequency on the bass end" and it's just like I feel like...
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Like it's the terminology that you don't believe.
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No I just don't believe that everyone...
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They just feel like empty words.
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Because I can say that stuff and it has no context.
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It doesn't mean anything.
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Like you can't tell me like these are tinny.
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What does that even mean?
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Like do they sound like I'm listening to music through a tin can?
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Like what is tinny?
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Like my point is like there's no...
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I do believe that a lot of people that say that stuff,
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not everyone, but I believe a lot of people that say that stuff,
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picked up that phrase from somewhere else and then they just use it.
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So you'd be happy that I prepared some practical examples for you today.
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That's what I want, though, right?
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And it's like the way I explained it of like, I feel like I could hear a guitar
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in the right channel a little bit further away than normal.
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And it's like, I feel like you can understand kind of what I'm getting to
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when I say stuff like that or when I say that, like the sound is rich.
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It's like I can hear lots of instruments that is complexity in it.
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And it's like it's not like usually like if I'm even if I'm using AirPods Pro,
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the music is like it's kind of flat like the amount of different instruments it kind of
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feels like it's been squished together because there's only so much they can do but with these
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and with the AirPods Max because they're covering my whole ear the music's coming from different
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places so they have the ability to make it sound that way you know like I understand way more when
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we've made this show before but like people talk about the sound stage but like I get that a lot
00:57:45
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more because it's like imagine musical instruments far away from each other. It's like alright
00:57:52
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that makes more sense to me. But like it's just like I do think that a lot of the reporting
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around headphones stuff and the way that headphones sound, I just don't think that it's possible
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that every single tech YouTuber can know how to do this.
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Honestly most of it is like rehashing press releases as well.
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Yeah, right? But anyway, the point that I'm trying to make is I think these things sound
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really great.
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Yeah, I agree with the sort of home-potty-ness of them. We can use that as an adjective.
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I think they sound more similar to the HomePod than anything else I've experienced at least.
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Federico, I definitely want to give you the stage.
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The sound stage.
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Right, the sound stage. Talk about this stuff, the sound stage.
00:58:38
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Wait, wait. So I think two things are going to happen here, right? I think this could
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go very long, potentially. And I also just want to make sure we talk about some of the
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other features of them, and then I want to hand over to you, and I want you to give me
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what I'm sure is a very well-prepared experience with these things. Is that okay?
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I've only had a few hours with them, but I think I've…
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Yeah, but still, I know you've got more to say than me already. I've seen the notes,
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so I know it. Okay. Yeah. I just wanted to touch on a couple of other areas and then
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I want to head over to you. Transparency mode is absolutely unbelievable. Really well done.
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It feels like even more of an enhancement of natural sound than on the AirPods Pro.
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So I'll see if I can give people an example of this, right? You know if you rub your hand,
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like your fingers on your hand, right? If you hold that really close to your ear, you
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kind of hear a sound of like your skin rubbing together, right? You can hear that incredibly
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loudly with your hand kind of like at your waist. It's unbelievable.
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I noticed this when I was typing today. Like the sound of my fingers hitting the keys was
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louder than it normally is and that is because I had transparency mode turned on. So yeah,
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I first heard Gray reference it this way with the original AirPods Pro of calling them like
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It's like augmented reality because reality is being changed around you.
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And I heard John Gruber mention this when he was talking to Matthew Pansarino of like,
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we think of AR as just visual, but it doesn't have to be and it isn't.
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It's like it's just using technology to change our reality.
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And I had a thought of like, if I could get a hearing aid that gave me Apple's transparency
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mode like it is in the AirPods Max, I would wear it.
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Because I genuinely hear things clearer this way.
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And similarly, if there's a piercing loud noise, like if there's a siren, transparency
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mode adjusts that for you.
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My hearing is better in every possible way when I use these headphones.
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I found that way for AirPods Pro but it is significantly more on AirPods Max.
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The transparency is incredible.
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Noise cancellation is also of course vastly better.
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I think we all would have assumed this.
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I wasn't expecting transparency mode to be so much better.
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I assumed noise cancellation to be much better.
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I'm still not sure if it's too much for me because I've always been a bit weird of that
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and I know Steven you've had the same so I'm keen to know what you think.
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I think so far it's comfortable but I think it's right on my edge of comfortability.
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I do wish Apple would let you tweak it.
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All of the other companies let you tweak it, right?
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Like Sony let you use their app to tweak it, Bose do the same.
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I wouldn't mind just being able to bring it down just a little bit but they don't let
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you do that.
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Yeah, I feel the same way.
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I really disliked the noise cancelling in the AirPods Pro.
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I don't mind it on the Max, but I don't think I could use it for super long.
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So like last night I used them for a couple of hours and had them in noise canceling for
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probably like an hour, which is way longer than I've ever made it.
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But it didn't make me feel sick, but I just felt closed in.
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And so I eventually just turned it off.
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And that's easy to do, thankfully, with the button on the right ear cup.
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But you have to...
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So much better than the squeeze-in.
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way better. But you have to go into settings and tell it that you want off to be an option. By
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default, it just goes between transparency mode and noise canceling mode. So you have to tell it
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that off is an option that you would want. And also in those settings, you can reverse the
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direction of the digital crown for volume. And I think they have it backwards by default, where
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you're rolling it counterclockwise to turn the volume up, which is not how volume knobs generally
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work. Generally there you rotate it clockwise. Yeah I kind of get it though
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because like away from me seems up and behind me seems down. I changed it immediately
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because I couldn't. Same, same. Yeah I'm trying to see if I can get used to it
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but I feel like honestly I feel like I would have the problem with this that I
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do with USB is of like I'll always do it the wrong way the first time no matter
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a witch ray around I have it like... I think I changed it because my brain made
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the association of raising volume therefore going up should be clockwise.
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Yep. Yeah. Not counterclockwise because clockwise is what happens when time goes up, right?
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And I find it strange that they set the behavior to be the opposite, to be counterclockwise.
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I don't get it. I'm not super keen on pressing the crown because I always adjust the volume
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a little bit. It pulls my hair, I've noticed. Which is interesting, I will have to see how
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I can get used to it. You're gonna have just a tiny bald spot right on your right hand
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side just above the digital crown as your hair is being pulled out slowly over time.
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The crown spot on my head. Isn't that part on the top of your head called your crown
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Yes it is. I know because I've been listening to Silvio Spillari's videos. Yes.
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Because you've got to reach up through the crown, haven't you? Towards the sky.
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Exactly. Yes. Yeah, that is a little bit of a venture with with longer hair. I came in
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from work yesterday and I've been wearing them here in the studio for a couple hours
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and Mary was like, "Do you wear headphones today?" Because apparently I had like a flat
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spot across my hair and then around my ears. Oh because you have the big poofy hair right now
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don't you? Yeah, yeah I haven't gotten a haircut since March. Really? Really. I'm not gonna go get
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a haircut during a pandemic. You can do it at home. Yeah, I've been, Adina's been cutting my hair.
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Yeah. I mean Mary cut my hair in March and then I've just let it go since then. Interesting
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approach. Did you get in a fight? Yeah but you've done that anyway though. This is the thing,
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Stephen Hancott cannot adjust to any hair based style for more than six days
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Right, right like you change it so much you grow your hair out you cut it all off you grow your beard huge
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You cut it to a mustache then you cut the mustache off and then stubble and you know
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You are very flexible of your hair in a way that I think most people aren't
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All right, Federico, you are in the situation where you can compare these directly to a
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bunch of other headphones.
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I'm not in the situation.
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Myke really isn't either as full.
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I don't have good music headphones.
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Yeah, you don't have good music headphones.
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Federico has like a Walkman and a DAC and listening to Ogg Vorbis files.
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So as the...
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Flak, not Ogg Vorbis.
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I feel like you didn't have to correct me, but you did.
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Well, I mean Ogg Vorbis, really?
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What kind of person do you think I am?
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I don't think I understand the burn I committed.
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I feel like the type of person that knows it's not Ogg Vorbis is the type of person
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that would correct you about that, you know?
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So Federico is that type of person.
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Actually guys, the bits are arranged in this order.
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So how long is this to continue?
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How much bits are lost in the lost less?
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If it's less than how much lost?
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Near lossless.
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So you've been comparing this with some of your other stuff.
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What is, what's what?
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So I tested this for about five hours this afternoon, and today I compared the AirPods
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Max to my Sony headphones, and I had two kinds of Sony headphones.
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The first pair of headphones, the XM4, so the standard Bluetooth Sony headphones that
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most people seem to use and know about these days.
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These are standard Bluetooth headphones that I can use with my iPhone and my iPad and I
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can stream Apple Music and they rely on standard AAC Bluetooth-based connections.
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So nothing fancy, just Bluetooth headphones made by Sony, which also have active noise
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cancellation.
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And the other comparison that I did was streaming the same... so picking one song, listening
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to the version on Apple Music with the AirPods Max, compared to the same song which I own
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in lossless format via my Sony Walkman and my Sony MDR-Z1R headphones, which connect
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via a 4x4, 4.4mm jack, balanced cable would be the correct name.
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Can you give a very brief overview as to what on earth that last part meant?
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The balance cable?
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So a balance cable is a, first of all, it's got a 4.4mm jack, so it's chunkier than a
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standard 3.5mm jack.
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It's bigger and thicker.
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And what the balance cable tries to achieve is better channel separation between the left
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and right channels, where the wires inside are physically separate, and there's room
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for... let's put it this way, there's more room for audio, therefore you're trying to
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better separate the two circuits and achieve more clarity in what reaches the left ear
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cup and what reaches the right ear cup, essentially. But yeah, it's a shorter, chunkier cable,
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basically. So I also chose some songs to try and do these tests, and I tried to make them
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different enough from each other so to get a good sense of the kind of acoustics and the
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kind of performance that I was getting from these headphones. So I tested "All You're
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Dreaming of by Liam Gallagher, his latest song, kind of an acoustic ballad featuring
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piano, acoustic guitar, and backing vocals, plenty of backing vocals and horns in the
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background. Slow Dancing in a Burning Room by John Mayer, so, you know, a really warm
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guitar and bass line in this one. Exile by Taylor Swift and Bon Iver, the Long Pond studio
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version. And I chose the studio version because I wanted to compare the... I wanted to listen
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to the sounds and try and see what kind of performance I would get on the AirPods Max,
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especially for Taylor's side, where they were performing the song in the same room. So Taylor
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singing in the room together with the person, I believe it was Jack Antonoff playing the
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piano in the same room, which is different from when you're recording a mix in separate
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tracks. Like, the piano player goes in, does their track, and then the singer goes in,
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does their track, and then you mix everything together. This is more like the Beatles used
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to record albums, you know, everybody together in the same room. So I wanted to listen to
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that, see what kind of performance you would have on the headphones. "Set Day" by FKA Twigs.
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She's an amazing performer, and this song in particular features this sort of ambience
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at the beginning, together with a very clear... with Twig's vibrato at the beginning of the
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song, which carries a lot of detail, the way that she sings and the way that she modulates
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her voice and her pitch, especially in the first portion of the song before the bass
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kicks in, I wanted to listen to that detail, like how much of that vibrato can you still
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you'll get when you listen via Apple music and the AirPods Max and when you listen to
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the lossless version. And lastly, I tested I'm Not Okay by My Chemical Romance because
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it was like kind of fun, messy punk rock song that makes for a good test when it comes to
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distortion at high volumes, which is what we talked about last week. Like when you play
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something loud at maximum volume, how messy does it sound in terms of like, can you still
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make out the individual parts, the individual instruments of the track, or does everything
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sort of blend together into this loud machine, like this loud mess that you get from most
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headphones that are not particularly good?
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On that, I have listened to them really loud and it was exhilarating. Like I went up to
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the maximum, but it's still, I mean, I don't know about the claims that Apple make about
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the distortion, but it sounded better than I would have expected.
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Something about the loud volume too is that they do bleed more than I thought they would.
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So I had Mary listen to them and she cranked it basically all the way up and was like,
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"Oh, I can hear very clearly just sitting next to you was playing."
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I mean, I figured there'd be some leak, but it surprised me how much there was.
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I'm gonna try and make this not a drag to listen to.
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But basically the comparison between the AirPods Max and the Sony headphones with the lossless setup,
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I just feel like it's kind of unfair because obviously, like I was expecting this,
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obviously I still come out preferring the Sony Z1R headphones with my...
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I mean you should have, right? Whether they're like four times the price or something?
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Yes, but it's like the it's the whole setup of like the headphones and the player and the lossless source of audio
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But I want to give you some examples
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Because otherwise you're just talking about the mids and the highs and the treble and it and it doesn't really explain what you hear
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So basically what I noticed when comparing the two
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Is that a lot of details and by details?
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some in sounds, they get lost when you're listening to wireless audio. And if they're
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not lost, at the very least they're so quiet, you may not even notice them. So for example,
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in "Slow Dancing in a Burning Room" by John Mayer, at the beginning of the song, in the
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first verse. There's rhythmic guitars in the back doing... and there's another guitar that
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goes... does that note, that chord, and when you hear that via the high-resolution format,
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you can hear that second rhythmic guitar perfectly, and you can hear the strum on the guitar,
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And it's part of a bigger whole, obviously, in the first verse, but if you focus on that
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sound, you can hear it.
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And on the AirPods Max, those two chords from that guitar, they just kind of disappear in
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the background.
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They're very, very...they feel small in a way that...maybe that's the best way to describe
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The bassline in "I'm Not Okay" at the beginning, you can hear that on the AirPods Max via the Walkman and the Z1R.
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It feels like its own thing, like it's warmer, it's louder, and it feels like you can more easily discern the bassline from everything else.
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Obviously you can hear the bassline on the AirPods Max in that song, but via a different
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setup because you don't have compression, because you're playing high resolution audio,
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because honestly those are better headphones for high fidelity, it's more easy to tell
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"Oh yeah, I can totally hear the bassline."
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And also the sound is slightly different.
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It's like a warmer sound, I would say.
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In the vocals of "Sad Day" by FK Twigs, the vibrato at the beginning, for example, when
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she says "It's a sad day for sure", that part, with the AirPods Max, you can hear it, you
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can feel it, it's... when they say "thin", or like it sounds small, it's very faint,
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With my headphones, it almost feels like you're sitting in front of Twigs when she sings,
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and you can imagine, like, you can visual...
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I don't know, maybe it's just me, but I can visualize the movement that her throat is
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making when she does the vibrato at the beginning of the song.
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Like, you can feel the air moving when she sings in a way that it feels very, very close
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like you're putting your ear next to the microphone, basically, where she's singing into. That's
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the effect of like... It's the difference between hearing a song, like hearing a very
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good singer on TV, and hearing a very good singer in real life, like how powerful a voice
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can be when you hear it in real life. That's sort of the effect that you get via that setup.
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Now the XM4... Now these are your more run of the mill, everyone
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can buy them, not everyone, you know what I mean.
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These are the Bluetooth Sony headphones that a lot of people know. These are popular, the
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Bose QuietComfort 2 are also popular, Beats headphones obviously are popular. I also have
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Beats Studio headphones, but I didn't try them today. But I do know how they sound.
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So the XM4 are interesting because they are lighter than the AirPods Max obviously. They're
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also made of plastic, and I'm kind of torn about them because in a way they are more...
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They are easier to use, you can fold them, they are lighter, but they're also cheaper
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in a way that the AirPods Max are not.
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However, I'm not sure how I feel about the headband design of the AirPods Max yet.
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Not the design per se, but I guess the materials being used, the fabric part, you know, at
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the very top of the headphones.
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It's more flimsy, it's thinner than I would have hoped, and I have some serious concerns
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about the durability of that part of the headband at the top.
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So this is like the mesh part?
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The mesh part at the top, it's very thin and it feels like you could poke a hole in it
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with a pencil.
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You could definitely do that, yes.
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And I'm not sure, like, the moment you're going to put this in a bag, if you're not
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are careful, or if you leave them on your nightstand, then your cat or your dog or whatever
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plays with it. At that part, I don't think it's even replaceable. So I don't know how
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I feel about that. Like, I get it, it's totally comfortable. I don't feel the weight on the
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top of my head. For example, as much as I do with the Z1R, like, these are more comfortable,
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I think. At least at the top of the head, you know, the big Sony headphones that I have
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are still more comfortable on the ears, but on the head I prefer the AirPods Max, however
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that material we'll see in a couple of months, we'll see in six months maybe, I don't know.
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Still, so the XM4, what I noticed playing the same songs, is that they can get slightly
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louder than the AirPods Max, they have a more pronounced bass overall, I think, that's kind
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of the sound that Sony decided to go for. And I don't have any EQ feature turned on,
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by the way, I don't like to use equalizers, so I just... In the Sony app, in the music
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settings on iOS, I always keep the EQ disabled. But I would say that the XM4, they can get
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slightly louder than the AirPods Max, and they have a more pronounced bass. However,
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I tried to listen to "I'm Not Okay" at full volume with the XM4 and the AirPods Max, the
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XM4 sounds like a mess. And that was the moment when I realized, "Oh, Apple's claims on the
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distortion were actually true." Because on the XM4, the intro to the song, and something
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came to mind when I listened to that. It's like, the XM4 are like when you're watching
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your friend's punk rock band play live in a garage, and the AirPods Max is a balanced
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sound that you get when listening to a CD. Basically, on the XM4, everything sort of
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blends together at full volume, and you get this huge, loud mess of the drums and the
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two guitars and the bass. It's very loud and messy. It's like, when you hear that distorted
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sound of all the instruments together in that kind of music, that's what I mean. It's messy.
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On the AirPods Max you retain the balance of it, where you can tell that the drummer
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is really going for it, and the bass player is really going for it, and there's two loud
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electric guitars, but if you focus just, you know, on the overall sound, it doesn't...
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You don't hear the distortion that comes when everything blends together.
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You can still make out the individual parts of the intro, right?
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Instead, on the XM4, it's just very loud and very bassy, essentially.
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So that to me was the moment when, and obviously I listened to a bunch of other songs after
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that, but on the AirPods Max compared to the XM4, which is a comparison that I think a
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lot of people will do, I think the AirPods Max have a, what you said Myke, have a bigger
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soundstage in the sense that the sound coming out of the XM4 after you try the AirPods Max,
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It kind of feels constrained.
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It kind of feels like the sound is happening within this very enclosed space, which is
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the headphone.
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And on the AirPods Max you get that illusion of, yeah, it feels like sound is playing in
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a bigger room, which means I can more easily tell the instruments apart, the different
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sounds apart.
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And that was really interesting to see, because obviously Sony has a lot more experience than
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Apple, again excluding Beats, in making Bluetooth headphones and wireless headphones. And this
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to me already sounds better than the XM4. I don't have any Bose headphones, unfortunately.
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I've always been a Sony guy. But to me, this sounds much better than the XM4. The XM4 have,
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again, perhaps slightly louder volume, more pronounced bassline, so if you're into that
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kind of style that is not as heavy-handed as the Beats sound, but somewhere in the middle
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of AirPods Max and Beats, that's where the XM4 stands in terms of bass performance. But
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overall, based on my taste, I tend to prefer warm and balanced sound. I really like the
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way that the AirPods Max sounds. And in fact, I will say that in terms of... like, excluding
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my Sony Walkman and the wired headphones, considering the Beats Studio, I have Beats
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Studio 2, Beats Solo, and Beats Studio 3. Today I tested the XM4. Before the XM4, I
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used for over a year the XM3. In the past, I used the Sennheiser Momentum Wireless, a
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a bunch of other headphones that I sold that I don't really remember at this point. But
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to me the AirPods Max are the best wireless headphones that I've tested in my life, I
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think, so far. They sound... Well, I cannot say incredible because when I say incredible,
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the other headphones that I have, they sound incredible. These are...
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Well, you can say they're incredible for what they are.
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what they are. Yes, these are the best wireless headphones that I have at the moment. I have
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some questions about the design itself, especially the non-replaceable headband. That is really
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a concern to me, and I guess it's too bad that they don't have a, you know, that they're
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based on lightning, they don't have an analog port for wired audio.
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Have you tried the cable?
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It works, but it still converts everything to digital. And when I tried to do that, I
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tried to plug in the AirPods Max into my Sony Walkman. The volume was really low, and I
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got better performance out of it by doing straight Bluetooth from the Walkman to the
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AirPods Max. And in fact, strangely enough, I noticed that the Walkman connects to the
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AirPods Max using SBC as the audio codec, not AAC, which in theory my Walkman should
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support so I don't know, it's quite strange. Still, it sounded better via standard Bluetooth
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than using the Lightning to audio jack cable. It's ridiculous that that cable is not in
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the box for something this expensive, and it's also the thinnest, wimpiest cable I've
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ever had from Apple. It's junky. It's very bad. Oh my god, yes. It's like if you go into
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a gas station and you buy like a USB to lightning cable to charge your phone in a rental car
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and it's like you just know it's gonna break after three days. Yeah. That's how this cable
01:27:02
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feels. It's what $35 from Apple and not in the box which is almost as insulting as the
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cases? I would say overall, are they worth $550? I think my answer depends on whether
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you are really, whether you really bought into the Apple ecosystem, obviously. Like,
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if you just have an iPhone, I don't think you're the target user for these headphones.
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But if you're an Apple person with like an iPhone, an iPad, and a HomePod, and an Apple
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watch. And if you're the kind of person who likes the homepot sound, like the way
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that the homepot sounds, so warm and balanced and detailed, but not too
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opinionated, I guess would be a good word for it. Like, doesn't go crazy on, you
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know, when you're listening to rock music, it doesn't go crazy on the guitars, and
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when you're listening to hip-hop and rap, it doesn't go crazy with the
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bassline and the beat. It's right there in the middle. So if you're the kind of person
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who likes clear and balanced sound with a bit of warmth to it, then I say yes, these
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are worth the price because for wireless headphones I think they have really, really, really good
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sound, really good performance, and obviously the integration with iOS and Siri and the
01:28:29
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now playing, screening music, obviously you're getting AirPods, right? So instant connection
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and switching between devices and all of that. So I would say, and I feel pretty good about
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this even though I listened for just a few hours, I would say these are my new favorite
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wireless headphones. I think I feel pretty comfortable saying that. So these would be
01:28:51
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then the headphones that you would be wearing for the majority of your music listening is
01:28:56
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what you're saying. Because those headphones that you have, those models...
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Those are very specific headphones for when like...
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That is an intentional decision you are making to listen to music on those headphones, because
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you need hardware and cables and blah, blah, blah, blah, right? Like it's not just a thing.
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Like when I want to relax and I have 30 minutes for myself and it's like too short an amount
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of time to play a video game, but too long to just waste time on Twitter, basically.
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I was like, "Yeah, I can go for a few songs and take out my Sony Walkman and listen to
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some music." But I just do that, right? It's something that I rediscovered over the past
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couple of years. Like, when's the last time you just sat down and you just listened to
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music without doing anything?
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I never listened to music that way.
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I know which I used to be the same and most of the time I do the same right because when
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I have wireless headphones I'm doing something else but it's just the idea of like yeah I
01:29:57
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want to listen to an album and do nothing else my dogs are sleeping usually maybe Sylvia's
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doing one of our classes or she's not around and I do that like my dogs sleeping next to
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me and I just listen to some music and it's beautiful but I do that like it's a very specific
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occasion, if you will. Like, yeah, it's very intentional. So yeah, most of the time I'm
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gonna be wearing the AirPods Max, I think. What about you, Myke? Oh, I mean, I've spent
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all this money on them. I mean, darn right, I'm gonna use them. But they are the best.
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I mean, as I said before, I don't have any wireless headphones. Like I have my AirPods
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and I will continue to use my AirPods, all of the places that I will use those. Like,
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I'm not going to use these things when I'm out in the street because oh by the way the
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weight yeah it's a lot so they're heavy for me I think they're within the realm that I'm
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good with as I said before like I use heavy headphones quite a bit and I don't notice
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it when I'm sitting down but when I get up to move I feel like they're going to fall
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off. Like I only notice them when I'm moving around. I don't know if you guys
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noticed a similar thing, but it's like that that's when I notice the weight of
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these headphones is if I'm physically moving. Other than that I'm totally
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fond of it, but that's that's the experience that I've had with them so
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far. But yeah I'm really happy with them as a product because ultimately it's
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pretty much exactly what I expected. Like I'm not that I have no surprise from
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this product. I was expecting them to sound really good and shock horror they
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sound really good and for me as a as a I would say like lay headphone person they
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blow me away but I I don't have what else to compare it to realistically. I'm a
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little on the fence I like the way they sound I'm not super blown away by the
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comfort. I do feel like I'm pretty sensitive to things like squeezing on my
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ears and the weight doesn't bother as much as I thought it did. I agree with
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you like last night I was sitting at dining room table wearing them working
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and then I got up and like oh they were very heavy when you start moving your
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head around but they are a little tight and I've adjusted them a bunch I'm gonna
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give it some more time but I'm not I'm not positive I'm keeping these in fact I
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I think if I had to make a decision today, I would be returning them.
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From the comfort perspective alone.
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What is it, because the reason you would return them is because they're not comfortable enough.
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And again, that may just be me.
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Okay, so what would you be looking for? Lighter?
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Lighter and less, like, horizontal pressure, like around my ears.
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See, I almost feel like they do not grip me enough around the ears.
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So like the headphones that I'm used to using, the Beyerdynamic headphones,
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they support themselves by just clamping to the side of my head.
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Yes, I tried those for like three minutes and sent them back a couple of years ago for that reason.
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So I'm much more used to that and I almost wished that these headphones would do that more because
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even on the lowest setting, I feel like they don't hold on the top of my head enough.
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I've always found this, I think I have a narrow head, like I don't have a small head,
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But I think my head is pretty narrow because I've always like I've always had to think like why did these headphones stretch so much
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Like I've always had headphones at the lowest size always so I'm Ernie and you're Burt
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I guess what do you guys do you guys like stretch the headphones out like you you like you extend them a little?
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Yeah, a little you see I minor at the bottom and I wish they were a little smaller. Yeah, like like
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One and a half centimeters, maybe yeah, I have nothing
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Narrowhead mic they call me. Mm-hmm
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Look, these are going to be a divisive product. I think price or no price. They would have been a divisive product
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Anyway, I'm not surprised about that, but they're hype for sure
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They are hyped. I think it's one of those funny things. We're like, yeah, they're expensive
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but people really want to get the content about them.
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People want to know all about them.
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And I really love them.
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And my feeling on the weight is I will report back.
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I don't know if I can have enough time with these
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to understand if I'm going to be comfortable with it.
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Because one of my issues is I get neck pain quite a lot
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and my neck is sore today,
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but it could be a completely unrelated thing for me.
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So I don't know.
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As I say, I don't think it would be difficult for me to adjust to these though because honestly
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they're not that much heavier than a pair of headphones that I use for multiple hours
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a week every week, which are the headphones I use when I stream.
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It's like tens of grams of difference at most between the two of them.
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Anything else?
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I think we're going to be revisiting these in the future for sure.
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One more thing I want to say.
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I tried it again on the AirPods Max and I ended up disabling the setting once again.
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Automatic device switching.
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I really don't like it.
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It's so hit or miss.
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It just annoys me to no end that every time I'm scrolling Twitter, for example, on my
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iPad, I see the little notification.
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Audio switched back.
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There are some apps that are bad.
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That's the problem.
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Apps like Twitter are bad.
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I don't care though, right?
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I'm not saying that's not a reason to be annoyed, but I experience this.
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Twitter is the biggest culprit for me of an application that tries to grab my audio,
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and I don't know why it's doing it.
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Yeah. And also I don't...
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It's a great feature. It is a genuinely very good feature.
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It is a very great feature, but it happens so frequently.
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lately I was talking to Alex in the Mac story slack and he mentioned like I
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wasn't on a phone call with my mom and I was using the AirPods but then something
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played on my iPad and the audio switched back and like the whole call like
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switched to a different audio output like yeah I totally get it like that
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that sort of thing also happened to me where it's like it's trying to be
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helpful but sometimes like I still prefer the manual control you know like
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also I don't have those kinds of interruptions where like my source of
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audio needs to be constantly switching from one device to another like if I'm
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listening to a podcast it's fine I'm gonna connect from my iPhone and then
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I'm gonna start listening and then later if I'm sitting down in my iPad and I
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won't listen to music that I'm gonna manually connect from there so I tried
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it within a few minutes, I saw those notifications coming again and I disabled it right away.
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Also, I guess one more thing, and then I'm done, I'm still getting, even though I have
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set up an iPhone 12 Pro, and yesterday an iPhone 12 Pro Max, restored from backups of
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course, that issue of having iOS ever so helpfully turning down my headphones
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volume. I thought we learned that was an EU thing. No, but it doesn't
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happen to me. So basically I have this bug that is following me around across
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iCloud backups and restores because I know for a fact that this is a setting
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that you can disable in settings and in health.
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And I have done that.
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Every day, I open the page and I look at it
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to have visual confirmation that the setting is disabled.
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However, it keeps wanting to lower my headphones volume.
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-Got to restore your phone.
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-I think I will have to, honestly, at some point.
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-Because every 30 minutes or so,
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my headphones volume is turned down
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Because the EU thinks that I'm gonna kill my ears otherwise, but and Apple agrees
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But really I don't care and it's a setting that I disabled
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But it doesn't care about the fact that it's turned off. It keeps happening and all the solutions that people
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Never worked. I think that does it if you want to find links to stuff
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We spoke about head on over to the website relay.fm/connected/325
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While you're there you can send us an email with feedback or follow-up. You can
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also become a member and get Connected Pro which is a longer ad-free version of
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the show each and every week. You can find us online, you can find Michael on
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Twitter as @IMYKE. Myke hosts a bunch of other shows here on Real AFM. Myke, what
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do you have going on this week? I would recommend that people go and check out
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the yearly themes episode of Cortex, which is episode 110, which is a big episode that we do every year,
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and then go and buy a theme system journal at cortexmerch.com.
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You can find Federico on Twitter as @vitiicci. He is the editor-in-chief of maxstories.net.
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Federico, I have a question for you.
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What is your favorite smell?
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I told you I was gonna do easier ones
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Favorite smell? Like honestly? Yeah, you know like freshly baked cookies
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Can I give you a top three? Sure. Well now so by far a top first place is
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My dog Zelda's smell like she she has a like
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Like she smells great honestly like even though like it's not like she takes a bath every day
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but she just naturally has a very sweet smell that both Sylvia and I we
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absolutely love so that's my favorite it's kind of funny really that you have a
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dog called ginger and it's the one that doesn't smell as good right it's funny
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Ginger doesn't smell. You need to swap their names. She's pretty smell neutral.
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Does Ginger carry a sword? Although she bit me the other day. There you go.
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Adventurer. Then I would say, well, I do love freshly baked pizza. It's a very good smell,
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I think. Is there a particular, I mean, because different pizzas are going to smell different,
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so... Yeah, does it have pineapple on it? No, I meant real pizza. No, but pizza has
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different ingredients, it has different toppings. Right, but only one of them is real. Wait,
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So you only eat one type of pizza?
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No, I mean Italian pizza.
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The smell of Italian pizza.
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Italian pizza isn't one ingredient.
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No, just standard margherita.
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That's a drink.
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There you go.
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That's what answer I'm looking for.
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And I also just want to say for the record,
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they have different pizzas, different types of food
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in different places.
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And that is my belief.
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You have Italian pizza, you have American pizza.
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They're both great.
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No, you have pizza, which is the default one, which is Italian.
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And then you have the international variations of it.
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And your third favorite smell?
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You don't call it Italian pizza, you just call it pizza.
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Third smell is in the winter, the smell of the roasting chestnuts on the fire.
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You know, inside you have like a little fireplace.
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Do people actually do that?
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I thought that was just in the song.
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People do it?
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I see street vendors do it in the UK.
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In Rome as well, they do it.
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Yeah, but you can do it inside.
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If you have a fireplace, you can do it.
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And it smells great.
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Like I think in general, roasting anything on, you know,
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meat, chestnuts, like anything really just.
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And it's both the smell and the sound, you know,
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the crackling sound of it.
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It's a multi, what would you call it?
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Multi-sensorial experience, I guess?
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- You can find me on Twitter as ISMH
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Until next time guys, say goodbye.
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- Adios, El Chirio.
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- Cheerio. - Bye y'all.