331: Honey, Did You Put Kickstands on my Yoga Mat?
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Hello and welcome to Connected, episode 331.
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It's made possible this week by our sponsors, Squarespace, Smile, and MacWeldon.
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My name is Steven Hackett and I'm joined by Mr. Myke Hurley.
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>> Hello, how are you, Steven?
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>> I'm good, Myke.
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Happy late birthday.
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>> Thank you very much.
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We're almost twins.
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You're two years older than me.
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And what is it, three or four days apart?
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It was a long labor.
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Also joined by Mr. Federico Vatici.
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How are you?
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That was weird.
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It's not your birthday.
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I don't know why he's going with this.
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Why did you do that?
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That was such a strange way to say hello.
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Tell me? I don't know.
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Hey buddy! Hey take a seat we need to talk to you about something. Okay what have I done?
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Well what's wrong? It's come to our attention. Okay okay cool. I'm in a weird mood. Let's do
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follow-up. Let's do some follow-up. Follow-up. We keep getting lots of feedback about mike's
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airpods max battery gate. Is there any indication that this could be fixed in 14.5? Is there anything
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I haven't really looked at the notes that closely. I'm running it on my phone for
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I looked at the release notes for it and there's nothing about AirPods Max in the
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release notes. I don't think this problem is an iOS problem though. I think it's an
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AirPods problem so I am expecting that if there's going to be a fix to this
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battery issue it's gonna have to be an AirPods firmware update rather than an iOS update because
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again like today I wasn't necessarily noticing a battery issue but in my audio
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sources on my Mac my AirPods Max were showing up even though they were in the
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case on my desk and I feel like that shouldn't be possible right I shouldn't
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be able to connect to them when I'm not wearing them yeah cuz I could I tried it
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I could connect and start playing audio on them and they were on my desk in the
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case and I kind of feel like it's not the intended use case. I had that come up
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with my AirPods 2. I connected them as I was like opening the case I connected
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them manually and all of a sudden tiny little podcast voices were coming out of
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my AirPods while they were still in the charging case. It's like, "What are you doing?"
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Yeah, you and Grey sounded very tiny. I like these podcasts, pocket podcasts.
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We've talked about a exercise or tracking device that isn't a full-blown
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Apple Watch movie from Apple. A listener Mykey wrote in to say have you tried the
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is it "Why things?" "Withings?" "Wothings?" I don't remember. There is a way to say it
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and it's never the one I think it is. Well there's just so many options we can
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try Whythings, Withings. Withings. Withings. Withings. Withings. Withings. Withings. This
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is the company that was its own. Then got bought by Nokia and then Nokia did nothing
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with it really except rebrand everything and I think create a blood pressure sensor and
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then the original owner of Wey-things bought it back for less than he sold it for.
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Wait, that's not how you do business?
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It's kind of funny really because isn't that also kind of what happened to Nokia with Microsoft?
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So, Nokia had it happen to them and then for them, I guess.
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But yeah, so Wey-things sell lots of products and one of the things that they do is an analog
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watch with some sensor stuff built into it.
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Oh yeah, I remember that.
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And they look nice, but for me, it's still not...
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So I have two issues with it.
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One, they look nice, but it's not necessarily what I want visually out of a watch.
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And two, I'm still back in the same issue because my thing is not that I want to wear
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one watch instead of an Apple Watch.
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I want to wear a small selection of watches.
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like I might want to wear one this day, one that day, that kind of thing. Steven just bought me an
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incredible G-Shock for my birthday which I have on now but next week I might want to wear a different
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one. So having a watch with this stuff built in is always the problem. It's I want it on everything
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or nothing and so these are cool and if you are a type of person that just wants one watch but
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doesn't want an Apple watch but still wants some health tracking stuff these Y-things watches might
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might be good for you. They even have an ECG one now, which I didn't know that they did,
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which is kind of incredible really that they have that in a watch like this. And of course
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because it doesn't have a screen and all that kind of stuff, the battery life is bananas
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like on these things compared to other products. So maybe it's for you, but I think I'll take
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a look. Yeah, I had one for quite a while and we're actually going to talk more about
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this in a little while. So we're going to come back to this. Yeah, I'm going to circle
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back as they say mm-hmm Zach wrote in with another hardware feature that was
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short-lived on an Apple product and I can't believe I didn't think about this
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the original iMac g3 had an IR port so you could be some information to and
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from your iMac can't believe you didn't mention this Steven yeah I'm so
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disappointed at you I know I'm sorry disgraceful the IR port on the g3 I mean
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Everyone knows about that.
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Even I know it.
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Do you know because you saw this tweet?
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No, no, no. I was testing you.
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Seeing how long it would take you to remember this.
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And you failed.
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I can confirm Federico texted me and said
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"I wonder if he remembers the IR port?"
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It's like, bro, I can't even imagine how he forgot about the IR port.
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It's like, yeah, you're right. Such a disappointment.
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Yeah, we talked a couple of weeks ago about this on Telegram because we sent each other
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disappearing messages.
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Yeah, it was on Telegram.
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Actually, we talked on Signal.
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Signal, that was the one.
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Signal is what everyone uses.
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It wasn't encrypted.
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Can't see me, Facebook.
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Man, that WhatsApp thing, like, that is like a true encapsulation of Facebook destroying
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Because there really was nothing wrong with their update.
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It was just like, if for business customers they can access data in a different portal
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basically, like at a very simple level.
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But everyone's like, "WhatsApp's reading my messages!"
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And then everyone leaves, and it's like, "Oh no!"
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WhatsApp's encryption is better than iMessages encryption because they don't
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back it up Facebook doesn't back it up it's true end-to-end unlike Apple's
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encryption which can be not end-to-end if you do have your messages and iCard
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backups it's just kind of funny really and then everyone's like Facebook's
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worried in their messages and then they will just abandon the platform and use
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signal instead. Funny how these things happen to you. That Kensington iPad Pro docking station
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that we spoke about during CES week, the one that's got like a bunch of USB ports and a
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Qi charger in the foot and all that kind of stuff, it's available now. It starts at $379
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or $399 for the bigger one. I always find that kind of stuff funny. Like why is it only
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$20 difference between the two sizes.
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But nevertheless,
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it's this is a very cool product,
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but that's a lot of money, like a lot,
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a lot of money for stuff where like
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I would never buy this right now
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because there is nothing to say
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that it will still work
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with the next iPad Pro.
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Right. That's always the issue
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with these types of products.
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Yeah. If something's just around
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the corner, it would be kind of foolish to drop this money until you see the next iPad Pro.
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Because what if it's like, because they said it might be thicker, right?
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The big one. But what if it then means it won't fit with that little integrated USB port
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thing that they have? You know, like I always, you never forget the, was it the Elevation
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dock, the Kickstarter campaign?
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It was for like one of the iPhones and by the time they got it out, the iPhone was a
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completely different size and shape.
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So, oh, was it, did it go from 30 pin to lightning?
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Was that what that one was?
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I think that's what it was.
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I think it went from the from the 4S to the 5.
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Yeah. Which if I remember correctly.
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Part of the reason for having the the lightning, like having the lightning
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made the whole thing easier because it was all about not having to press
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the two things on the side to pull the phone out.
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And lightning never needed that.
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So, yeah, anyway, look, this is a cool product.
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If you if anybody wants to get it for themselves, like more power to you.
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But that's a little rich for me, I think.
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As you mentioned, I'm concerned about future compatibility issues.
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It doesn't inspire a lot of confidence that we know there's a new iPad Pro coming out
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and this is coming out now.
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So I don't like that.
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I mean, I'm tempted, right?
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Obviously I think it's a cool idea, but the price tag is what it is and the timing is
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a little unfortunate.
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And also I would feel better about this if iPadOS had better support for USB accessories,
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where I could picture myself using something like this if, say, connecting an audio interface
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to my iPad Pro didn't involve all the extra hardware and cables that it does right now.
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And I just don't have a need for a docking station with a bunch of USB ports where, effectively,
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It's not like I'm plugging in USB drives all day long to use them in the Files app, right?
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It's like, if USB support was better, this would make a lot more sense.
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So a combination of these things, the price, the timing, and the current support for USB
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accessories in iPadOS, I think this is a pass for me right now.
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It is like, I think we may have mentioned it at the time, this is a perfect product
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for what we want the iPad to do.
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It's not a perfect product for what it can actually realistically do right now.
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And having like three or four USB ports attached to your iPad is mostly pointless for the actual
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amount of things you can do with it.
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I mean really you might just need one.
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Maybe one day though.
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So much money.
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It's a lot of money, right?
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So much money.
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Well, let's take a break.
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How does that sound?
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Carrot Weather 5 came out since we last recorded.
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We spoke about it because we were referencing Brian who makes Carrot Weather, his post on
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on Reddit talking about the upcoming changes to the application as an example of openness
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and transparency with customers when it comes to subscription stuff.
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And I think it's a good counterpoint to some of the stuff we were talking about last time.
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So Carrot Weather did have a subscription plan already, but this new version made some
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changes to the feature set, like it expanded some and changed some and added new features
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in for different tiers.
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There was also, it seems like, as there always is with this stuff, which does make me so
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sad when I see this. There was a bug somewhere in the app or whether it's a thing on Apple's
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end which made it seem like features were being taken away from the application until
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you did the restore purchases thing. And it's just always a shame to me that the general
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rhetoric around this is that people assume that things are being taken away from them
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rather than it's a bug. But this is just the way that things have gone over time.
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Carrot weather in general is the prime example, I think, of an app that has been improved
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by having subscription revenue.
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There is always new stuff getting added.
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Every new technology that Apple creates in iOS every year is added into Carrot where
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appropriate.
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It's almost like I kind of think of Carrot now kind of in the way that I think about
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PCALC, right?
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Things are going to get put in the application whether they make sense or not, just because
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why not add them like AR modes, right?
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Like both Pcalc and Carrotweather have AR mode,
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which is for a calculator and a weather app,
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you probably don't need them, but why not put them in?
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And as customers of those applications,
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I like having it there because it's like a fun part to it.
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But Carrotweather 5 changes the app in a big way.
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And the thing that has changed the most and the thing that I love
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the most about it is it is now incredibly configurable.
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Like the app references like interface builder.
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So you basically create your own interface.
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And that's the perfect way to put it, because the amount of control
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that you have over the application, what's shown in what order
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it's shown, exactly what data you want in different places.
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It is incredibly powerful.
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And I hope that this is a trend that could begin now
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with some of these types of applications,
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like let me as the user just give me loads of stuff
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and let me arrange it in the way that I want.
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And the other thing I do really like about this
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is because of this stuff,
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because of the work that's been put in,
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it's now really leaning more towards powerful weather tool
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than it ever has before.
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Like one of the things about the Cara apps
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is like the personality, right?
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Like the snarky personality that the app has
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and it can talk to you and say stuff.
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I feel like more than ever,
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you can disable all of that
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much more easily and more quickly than ever before.
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And I think that that's a good idea.
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I think it's fun to have it,
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but I think not having it as well,
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it also opens the app up to a wider audience.
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Over time, I've just turned some of that stuff off
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because the app went from being, hey, this is fun to, in my opinion,
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this is the very best weather app to now.
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I consider this one of the best iOS apps ever made.
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And so I don't need the fun hook anymore that the personality gave me.
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Some people still go for it and like, that's cool.
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But I like now that you can just really easily just remove all of that.
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And now it's just my really powerful, configurable, beautiful weather app.
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Yeah, I've got all that stuff turned off.
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One thing I also want to touch on about the subscription stuff.
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There's also the factor, I think most of our listeners know this,
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is that weather data is not free for these app makers.
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When they go and ping whatever weather service you're using,
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they get charged.
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They get charged for radar data, et cetera, et cetera.
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And so it's not just about ongoing maintenance and updates,
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even though weather has definitely received those,
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it is also about you are paying for the data you see
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And so out of all the app subscriptions,
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and we talked about these last week,
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the subscriptions that we all pay for,
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In some ways, weather apps is like the simplest transaction
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because they gotta pay for data and I'm paying them.
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And so I have no problem whatsoever
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with this business model and I'm really eager,
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I hope Brian talks about this at some point.
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Carrot weather used to be paid up front
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and then it had in-app subscription for various features
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tied to different types of weather data
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and now it is free up front with these subscriptions.
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- Ah, okay. - And so I--
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That's the difference, 'cause I wasn't sure,
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I knew something had changed,
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but I didn't know what it was,
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and I'd forgotten that it wasn't free.
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- Yeah, so I imagine that's gonna put this
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in front of many more people,
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and I think because it is more customizable,
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and I think more professional,
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even if you leave all the Snark and stuff on,
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it looks more professional than it ever has.
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I really just hope he has all the success,
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because this is fantastic, I agree with you.
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This is one of the best iOS apps I've ever used.
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So now that it is so configurable, uh,
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I wanted to kind of run through all of us and talk about how we have it set up
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because I expect the three of us have very different needs from a weather app
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considering our places in the world, right? Like we have the three of us,
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very different climates that we live in. Um,
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so I thought it would just be fun to go through it. My,
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the application has a bunch of presets and then you can configure them. Um,
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The preset that I have is the default one, which is called Odin,
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which I don't exactly know why this is the default.
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I think it's new for this version, but there's like a bunch of different themes.
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One of the things that I did like about the customization on the first day
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that you use it, it gives you just a few features and it like kind of doles
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them out over time so you can add the complexity in or you can do what I did,
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which is what I assume most people did,
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as a button that you can tap to give you every option at once.
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And I think that's really smart, not to overwhelm people that they feel like they have to sit
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down for an hour and really tweak this, but I did just that.
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I sat down and wanted to set the whole thing up and spend half an hour on it.
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And so I liked that I had that option.
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So from the way that I have it set up, I have the current observations at the very top,
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which is just a summary.
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And I have the temperature, I have the feels like temperature, because I don't know why
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you'd want any other temperature. The precipitation chance, is it going to rain? The high and
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low of the day, and then just like a summary of what the, in text of what the weather is.
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Then I have an hourly forecast kind of block, followed up by cards of relevant data, and
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this is kind of clever, so it's like a spot of four little pieces of data that can be
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shown which are relevant things. So at the moment I've got 0.5 millimetres of rain in
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the next 12 hours, what time sun rises and the wind speeds. And they change based on
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what the weather's like every day. Then I have a daily forecast, so it's showing me
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over the next seven days the summary of each day and I have precipitation amount again
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and high and low temperature. Then I have summary cards there. Then there are these
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daily summaries of evening, overnight, morning, afternoon, it's saying for me now, of temperature,
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rain amount, wind speed and UV index. I just thought they'd be cool to have in there. Like,
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why not? And then at the bottom, there's this data points thing where it's just, here's
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a bunch of stuff. Like it's all of the types of things you might consider for weather like
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pressure and humidity and visibility and all that kind of stuff just at the bottom. So
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So yeah, it's nice, set up nicely.
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Steven just sent me a text saying we should make screenshots, so there will be screenshots
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in the show notes of our weather setups in case you're interested.
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I also use the Odin theme.
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I think we all started from the same preset.
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I think we did, yeah, looking at our notes.
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I think it's the one you're given, and I did play around with them, but this was the one
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I liked the most.
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So I think it's the best one.
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Yeah, I do too.
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So for me, I have current observations, I show the actual temperature and the feels
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like temp, like seeing both the high low for the day and then sunrise sunset.
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And then sort of the the text of about what's going on all that at the top.
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My hourly forecast to have horizontally so I can scroll across it so it takes up less
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And I have the precipitation precipitation chance and amount, basically anywhere I can
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put it. The daily forecast I have vertically under that and then I have the data points
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in text and I have almost all of them on because it's fun to see all that data. So mine is
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very text heavy and I tried to make it basically as visually dense as possible.
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One of the differences looking at our screenshots is you both have like the kind of landscape
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kind of look. Yeah I thought that was... And I just have like the colored block. There's
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like a setting somewhere to change that part. Yeah, you can change like the layout of any
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individual section independently if you want. Yeah, I did that. Yeah, I thought the illustration
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was the only fun touch I allowed in the app because I also like I turned off all the snark
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and like those features months ago because I don't really like when I open it I don't
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really need it it's like the same reason why I turned off the carrot button in the top
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boss because it's like the whole gamification thing with the personality. Like I get it
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as a hook to start using the app. Now I just really want a way for me to open something
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that gives me the weather that I want and the information that I want as quickly as
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possible. So that was my thought. And my layout is basically like based on the Odin theme
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as well, which I simplified for my very simple needs. Like all I want to know from a weather
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app is the current conditions, what's it gonna be like on a hourly basis for the
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next two days, and so right underneath the illustration I have a horizontal
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graph for the next 48 hours with the mini size, so this is the compact layout
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for it. Then I have the F4 cards. Right now in the screenshot you only see two
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of them because the other two are not relevant. So I have High and Low and
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sunrise and sunset, but I also have rain and wind. But because it's not raining
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and it's not gonna be windy over the next 24 hours, those cards do not show up
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because they're not over the threshold. Oh yeah, because you can set that too,
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can't you? You can set it up in settings. You can say those cards are
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dynamic and you can say if rain is going to be over, say, I don't know, five millimeters
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over the next X number of hours, then show up. Otherwise, stay hidden. And I thought
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that was a really clever touch. And finally, I have...
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There are a million clever touches in this application.
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Yeah, there's one of the many. And lastly, I have a vertical list for the forecast for
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the next seven days.
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And the only data point that is shown,
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I mean, in addition to the default, so in addition to the
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little icons for the weather conditions and the
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temperatures, I have the chance of rain, which I
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think is the like that's effectively the only
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variable happening in Rome most
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of the time. Like, but now we don't have tornadoes,
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we don't have snow, we don't really have anything else.
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It's either going to be good weather or it's going to
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rain. And so it's a pretty simple setup. And I figured I want to make sure that as much
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as possible, like, I don't want to scroll this screen. It should fit on a single page
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as much as possible. I think right now on my Pro Max, I only have to scroll if I want
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to go, like, beyond three days in the final next seven days forecast.
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Yeah, I did a... that's how I... because you can adjust the like padding and stuff.
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You can adjust the height, you can adjust the line spacing in the interface maker.
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So I did the same. I set it up so I would get like...
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today, everything I want to know about today, and then the next like three or four days without needing to scroll.
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Oh my god, this app is so good.
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It's very good, and it's part of this idea of...
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like I seriously think that customization...
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It's gonna, like, we saw this trend start from the home screen, and I think it will expand to more and different areas of the OS,
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because to me it only feels natural that our devices and our, and not really the apps that we use are so mature at this point,
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then the next logical step, at least to me, feels like, well, now that we have all these options, why not let users customize them more?
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And that feels like an obvious approach to me.
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And I think it's only logical that Care Weather
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had all these different data points before,
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these different integrations, all these different modules
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that you could install in the app
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and customize in the widget,
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but you didn't really have full control over the UI.
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And now you do.
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And I think that's the way to go.
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And I think it's something that I want to start seeing
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in more apps.
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Not that I do not want developers to make their own choices.
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I just feel like it's better if users also have
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the option to rearrange things around because we're not stupid.
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It depends how you look at it, right? The developer still has to make all of the choices.
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Right. The developer makes the tools and makes the default choices.
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But I think the Keras approach in this case is really
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well done. Same with Widgetsmith, for example, right?
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David made all those tools, all those
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features possible, but then it's up to you to do whatever you want with them.
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Yeah, I think it's all right. I really love it. I wanted to also ask what data source
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you use. I use dark sky right now. I'm nervous about this because I don't know what's going
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to happen to it when that API thing runs out. And the reason I do it is because it has good
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kind of like seven day availability in the UK, but it also has the precipitation alerts
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and within like a, you know, within an hour or whatever, and I don't want to lose that.
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I don't really know what to do, so I just kind of, I was just wondering, like, what
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do you guys use for the, um, for your data source?
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I use AccuWeather in general, because I think that turned out to be the most accurate, you
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know, when I last did a bunch of tests last year.
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for a few months now I have used a Netatmo personal weather station so that
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when I'm in 1.5 kilometer range of my home Carrot weather automatically
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switches to that and so it shows me... I didn't know it did that, oh my god that's so small.
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Yeah it's got Netatmo, like you log in with your Netatmo account in Carrot's
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settings and so when you're in close range to your home it shows you data, I
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I mean, the data that it can collect, right?
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So temperature, humidity, that kind of stuff.
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I don't have a rain sensor, for example,
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so it uses the other source for that part.
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But for the basic info, yeah, it uses my personal weather
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And which weather station do you have?
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The basic one, the Netatmo personal weather station.
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It's a two-module thing.
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It's like there's a little indoor cylinder
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and an outdoors sensor.
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You don't have one of these, Steven, a weather station?
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I feel like you would be a weather station person.
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- Yeah, the thing is if I do it,
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I'm gonna wanna go all Jason Snell on it
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and do like a real one.
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Like no, I mean--
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- Yeah, it's not that kind of weather station.
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This is like a very simple one.
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- And so I have not allowed myself to go down that road
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because I would just spend all the money.
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- And you use the radar stuff a lot, right?
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- I do use the radar a lot.
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In my part of the US, again, we get these big storms
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and so the radar is really critical to me
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And that is really good in Carrotweather.
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And in five, it's even easier to get to,
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because it's just a tab on the bottom.
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In Carrotweather four, it was like more than one tap
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to get to it.
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So I really appreciate that becoming more front and center.
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Like Federico, I use AccuWeather.
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I've looked at a bunch of these sources,
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and it seems to be the most accurate when comparing it
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with local data.
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You'd hope so, right?
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- It's in the name, so it's not called in AccuWeather, so.
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- It's like kind of weather, maybe.
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- I also just don't like how the Dark Sky API puts in
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like 1% chance of rain.
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It's like, that doesn't matter to me.
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Like, you know, like some of their data
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is a little funny sometimes.
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I do have it pull in Dark Sky, so I do get,
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hey, it's gonna start raining in 10 minutes.
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That's still very accurate where I live,
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but I prefer the AccuWeather forecast data
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and Carrotweather can blend the two.
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So that's how I have mine set up.
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One thing we didn't mention is that there are ads
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in Carrotweather 5, but they're all for other indie apps
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or weird made up things.
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- I love the made up ones, they're very funny.
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- Yeah, so like in John's review, there's one for
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pay off your medical bills, sell your kidneys,
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want your very own baby, bribe a corrupt stork
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in your area today, so.
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As always, right on brand. Well done.
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Uh, and I, and I liked that that is for like indie things. And so you can,
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I think that's a really cool way to do it.
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Brian has said that that may become actual advertising at some point,
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but he wants to do it in a way that doesn't track anything.
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So at this point he's just doing it all himself with these indie and funny ads.
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I saw them somewhere, but even the,
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like the ads for other iOS apps still written in this style.
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I think they did one for Dark Noise and it was kind of, I don't remember the exact thing,
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but it was along the lines of like, "Do you need to shut out the horrors of the world?"
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or something like that, right? Like, you can use Dark Noise. So I like that that's in there.
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I often wonder who's writing this stuff. Like, Brian Mueller, the developer, is he doing
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it? How much of his day is spent?
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I don't want to get this wrong. I believe he's got a major in English literature.
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I mean, he has to be very skilled in this area.
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Again, Brian, please correct me if I'm wrong when you listen to this. I think the last
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time we interviewed him on App Stories, he told us the story of, like, he actually is
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like a really good writer, and he used to write fiction. Maybe, I don't know, I maybe
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misremember in details. But it must be, it must take so much time. And it's really well
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done as well. Like, the snarky part, even if, like, I keep it off, but it's really well
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done, and it's really on point as well. So he spends a lot of, I don't remember, like,
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how many thousands of new lines of dialogue this new version of Carrot Weather has.
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But thousands.
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I just assumed he's adding them daily, right?
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Because there's always...
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Yeah, he can push them...
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And he's got a system for pushing them from the server to the app.
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Yeah, it's like when something happens, like, worldwide, some global event, and you see
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the little snark in Carrot Weather.
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That's always funny.
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It's very impressive.
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So if you haven't checked this out, go check it out.
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Apple is hiring.
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This is a report that came out a couple of days ago.
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They are looking for a senior engineering project manager
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to join Apple's Health Hardware Group
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to work on quote, Apple branded health hardware products,
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according to this job listing.
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This is really interesting to me
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because it seems to tip the hand
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that Apple is looking at additional hardware
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that could tie into their health kit ecosystem.
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And I want to know what we would want to see.
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What do we think this could be?
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- Well, one thing I did go and the job posting still up
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'cause I've seen this stuff in the past
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where someone's put something in a job posting,
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which might not be right.
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This, but it's still up.
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And this role, it's in the Apple branded
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Health Hardware Products team.
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Apparently this team does stuff like the
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working with gym companies and things like that.
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Looks like it's an existing team.
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But this particular role seems to strongly hint
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at products from Apple, right?
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So I just wanted to set that up.
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It's like it's a team that already exists
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doing other stuff.
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And so the way that this role is outlined kind of seems like you would be responsible
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for helping with the final parts of putting something to market, which seems that like
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if this is a product that Apple's making could hint towards the fact that something's soon.
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Maybe AirTags have been a health product all along, right?
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So we're supposed to all run around to find the things.
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But couldn't it just be a new Apple Watch?
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Yeah, but Apple watches aren't in the health hardware team, surely, right?
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That's the Apple Watch team.
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But imagine Apple saying, like, "We are adding new sensors, health-related sensors, to the
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Apple Watch."
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And you gotta write the job posting in a way that it sounds super generic.
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Like, isn't this the way that you would write it?
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Yeah, but then it's not a very fun topic.
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Yeah, we're using this as a lead-in to something else.
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But there is a team called Apple Health Hardware and they do stuff and it's also worth remembering
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I'm probably going to mention these in a minute. They own that company, Bedit. Do you remember
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these? It's like a sleep monitor thing?
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Yeah, I had one of those. My girlfriend had me remove it from our bed in like two days.
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It's like, no, you're not keeping that thing under the sheets.
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They get the FileMaker treatment. So the bottom of the Bedit website says copyright 2019 Apple
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Inc. which is funny because that's now two years out of date so it shows that they're
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getting the old file maker treatment where shush, bet it, just get on with what you're
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doing kind of thing but that's it's still a product you can buy you're technically buying
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it from Apple maybe that's part of this team maybe they're doing more but yes I understand
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what you're saying could be nothing but if it was something what would you like it to
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I would love to have like an Apple made smart scale, like a very basic one.
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I used to have a Ythings scale years ago and then it stopped working.
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So I got another one.
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Mine is branded Nokia.
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Even though I use the Ythings app.
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So going back to what we were talking about earlier on, the app is now Ythings, but my
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scale is Nokia.
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Which is just funny with the backwards and forwards.
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But I have one of those.
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another one from another brand that I don't remember and then it also stopped working.
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So I guess I would really love to have a very simple smart scale made by Apple that is reliable,
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durable, that does not use basic Bluetooth but something more, you know, with a stronger
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connection that ties in with the Apple Watch, that ties in with my phone. I just want to
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weight myself without having to wait for Bluetooth connections or for battery life to, you know,
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out after two months. You know, very, very basic product.
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I don't know. Something is wrong, man. I don't know. It's the, my bathroom is sucking up
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all the Bluetooth, I guess. I don't know. Humidity? Surely they're built for that though.
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Maybe. I don't know, man. I don't know. It's just like the batteries didn't run out. You're
00:39:33
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like, well, this thing's broken. So there's that. So there's that. Obviously, you know,
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yourself, you as the thief of my chest strap, I would love to have an Apple-made one for
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intense workouts or for people who cannot wear an Apple Watch, like a better heart rate
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monitor made by Apple as a chest sensor. I think that would be interesting.
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I'd love that too, because then I would have a new thing to steal.
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Right, you as the resident thief of the show.
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chest heart rate monitors. Sweaty heart rate monitors. You will love that. Everyone has
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the thing, their thing, right? Everyone has their thing. Everyone has a thing. And that
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is yours. This is a safe space. We're not judging you. We love you. Sweaty chest monitors.
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And we support you no matter what your thing is. Thank you. And finally, I think I'm intrigued
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by the idea of Apple making actual workout equipment. Like, what if you could buy an
00:40:37
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in... like, okay, let me rephrase. What if Apple made a Peloton bike, basically? Like,
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actual equipment made by Apple. That would be fun.
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I don't know why... like, we're talking... people are talking about cars, right? Apple
00:40:52
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car, Apple car.
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Yeah, I don't want an Apple car. I want an Apple bike.
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This makes more sense to me, like Apple making exercise equipment than a car.
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Yeah. Like I could genuine because it feels closer to what they do and what they're good at doing and
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what they've been successful at doing than a car. Because like I don't hear a lot of great things
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about carplay and that's kind of as far as car has gotten but like Apple watch and fitness plus
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people love that stuff. I think it makes a lot of sense for them and also I imagine you know I'm
00:41:25
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I'm just going to take a bet here that an exercise bike is easier to build than a car.
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I'm just taking a bet.
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I'm just going to take a bet. And also I assume there's less moral and regulatory issues with
00:41:39
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cars than exercise bikes. So I would like to see that kind of stuff. It would be interesting.
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Bikes, treadmills obviously. Like all kinds like cover the most popular workouts first.
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And it made me expand. You know, a yoga mat made by Apple because why not, right?
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Made of aluminum.
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My girlfriend bought a professional Pilates mat, like, a few years ago. And those things,
00:42:08
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like the actual professional things, are expensive.
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You know what they'd make it out of, though? That same material they make the Magic Keyboard
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out of, and like, that like, terrible...
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Oh no, oh my god.
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Like, that's... So like, you would physically just grip to it? Like, you wouldn't be able
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to move? It'd be horrible.
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I will cover it in stickers, just like the Magic Keyboard.
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Sticker-covered yoga mat.
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Honey, did you put kickstands on my yoga mat?
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Please stop.
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Hey, are you still living that kickstand life?
00:42:41
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Well, no, I'm using the Magic Keyboard.
00:42:43
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Oh, yeah, that was on the smart keyboard, wasn't it?
00:42:46
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Yeah, that was on the smart keyboard.
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Before I know, you put kickstands on the Magic Keyboard.
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I don't know.
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are not like a thing for me like chest straps maybe for you it just one thing that I did
00:42:58
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once I don't know because it started off with like one and then there were like 12 yeah
00:43:03
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but on the same product like it was contained to the same accessory it was weird it was
00:43:09
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it was not weird it was not it was weird okay okay says the guy who steals sweaty straps
00:43:16
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from people who go to gyms. Okay, sure. The kickstands were weird. They were very useful
00:43:22
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for you, but they were weird. They're not weird. You had these tiny little feet on your
00:43:27
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iPad. They're not weird. You used to just flick them out and stand your iPad up on it.
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They're not foot-shaped. They are... I don't care. It's strange to have all these kickstands
00:43:38
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a lower place. It's not strange. I don't get it. I don't get it, really. But we should,
00:43:47
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I mean, so, back to the topic, at some point we should revisit the idea of the Apple car
00:43:55
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and our thoughts on it, especially in light of the recent rumors about it. Because I personally
00:44:00
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am not sold on the idea of purchasing an Apple car right now. I don't want to have to think
00:44:06
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about it even. Right? Like I don't even want to have to think about my career.
00:44:15
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Yeah. How do you cover an apple car? Yeah, in the sense of there's now this thing
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that they do and it's a car. And it's just like how if that becomes a big
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talking point for a period of time, which it certainly will, right, because it would
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be so weird if they do it. I don't feel comfortable even conceiving of having to deal with that.
00:44:39
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You know how sometimes I will try one piece of technology and then end up trying a different
00:44:45
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piece of technology and selling the first one? It's happened.
00:44:47
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Aren't you doing that again right now?
00:44:49
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It's happened once or twice.
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You're doing it now, aren't you?
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Can you imagine doing that with a car?
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Do you notice how he's not answering me, which means he's editing this out?
00:45:03
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And I'm gonna try to phrase this in a way that I don't offend anybody,
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but it seems to me as if people who purchase a certain type of electric car
00:45:12
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these days, they become very quickly obsessed with sharing photos
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of that particular car, and it's like the whole life
00:45:21
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now revolves around that particular brand,
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and the CEO of that brand and that car. Yeah, you're talking about Mazda.
00:45:30
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Yes, everybody's buying Mazdas these days, right? It's like, it's the hot new thing. Hey,
00:45:39
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I just got a Mazda. It's like they're sharing these photos of the, you know, the like, what's
00:45:46
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it called in the car? The cockpit? It's not called, what's it called? No, cockpit. Yeah,
00:45:51
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Yeah, yeah, you got it. You know, and everyone's like, "Oh man, I love Akira Marumoto, he's
00:45:57
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my favorite. Akira Marumoto, he's a visionary."
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He's changing the world.
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Do you spend, like, your day, like, do you live in your car now? Because all you do is
00:46:08
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share photos of your steering wheel.
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Well, I think for the price of some of these things, I think for some people the answer
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is "Yeah, they do now." Cars are very expensive.
00:46:20
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The more photos you take, you get a discount or something? I don't know. How does it work?
00:46:26
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And they got so giddy when there's a software update, right? It's like, "Hey, now I can
00:46:30
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play Pac-Man in my Mazda." It's like, "Okay, describe to me how exactly that works." Well,
00:46:39
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you have 30 minutes free in your day, in your afternoon. You're like, "Honey, I'm going
00:46:42
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to the garage and I'm going to play a little Pac-Man in my Mazda."
00:46:45
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Oh no, it rained. My Mazda's bumper came off.
00:46:51
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And remember, we are talking only about Mazda here.
00:46:54
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That's right.
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If you think we're talking about something else, we didn't say that.
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I said nothing. I said Mazda.
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Myke said Akira Marumoto.
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And Akira Marumoto only.
00:47:05
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So anyway, this is not a topic today. It's just a parenthesis.
00:47:10
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I tried googling to see if Akira Muramoto owned the space rocket company, because that
00:47:15
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would have been the best thing ever and I couldn't find anything that suggested that
00:47:20
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It's a shame.
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Can you imagine how perfect that would be?
00:47:22
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That would be, it would be great.
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That would be incredible.
00:47:25
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You know, mantas have a real smell to them.
00:47:26
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They have a real...
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Wait, smell?
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Yeah, like a real musky smell.
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Oh, there we go.
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I wonder where it was going.
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I wonder what it was going to be and there it is.
00:47:38
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second I thought that smelling Mazda was Steven's new thing.
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It's my special thing.
00:47:44
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But it was just a bad joke. It's just... okay.
00:47:47
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Can we bring this all the way back around to the original topic again?
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Yes, and I apologize. Sorry.
00:47:52
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No, it was a great aside. We all learned some new things about Mazda. We referenced this
00:47:57
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a little bit earlier. I want an Apple Watch about the watch part. So all the sensors.
00:48:03
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So without a screen?
00:48:06
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Okay. Hmm. So a Fitbit.
00:48:07
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So I want something that does all my fitness tracking, heart rate tracking, all of that
00:48:13
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kind of stuff.
00:48:14
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Just like a tasteful sport band that just basically looks like the sport bands.
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Like an Apple band.
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It's just a bracelet that I wear.
00:48:21
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I would love that product.
00:48:23
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I think it would be a great thing for them to create at some point.
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I really hope that they do.
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It can send all of that stuff to my iPhone.
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It would get, I assume, multiple days of battery life.
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I would love it.
00:48:37
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I think it'd be super cool. If they wanted to, I wouldn't use this, but if they wanted to, they could try and put some kind of taptic thing in it.
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I don't know. I just, as I've said this many times, I like to wear watches. I also want that information. I'm not wearing two watches.
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That would be a product I'd really love.
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Would you wear it around your ankle?
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No, I'd wear it on my other wrist.
00:48:57
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He's not a Mazda fan. Come on.
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I now feel bad for Master Omens.
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They don't. No one owns a Mazda.
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We'll find out.
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Oh, yeah, that's what you think.
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We'll find out.
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I see the pictures in my Twitter.
00:49:16
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The whole Instagram account.
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People in their Akira Muramoto posters.
00:49:21
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That's right. #MazdaFam. Mazda Mania.
00:49:25
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I would like an actual fully integrated sleep tracking device. Not that weird bedding thing
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because I also don't like to wear watches when I sleep. I never have. But I am interested
00:49:37
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in sleep tracking, but I would like a product for that. Because again, people are going
00:49:45
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to say to me, "Hey, there is this product that can do what you want. There is this product
00:49:50
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that you can do what you want." I like the idea of more health-connected technology at
00:49:56
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home. For the moment, there's blood pressure devices, all that kind of stuff. It just seems
00:49:59
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like the technology exists for me to be able to do these things at home now, but I don't
00:50:04
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want to buy these from any kind of rando company. Like this is the kind of technology where
00:50:10
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I'm like, where even I am worried about privacy implications of it. Right. Because I know
00:50:17
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I tend to be a little bit like I'll use Instagram, whatever. Like I will opt into personalised
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ads because I like the personalisation, you know, like there is a spectrum of people's
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care decisions about privacy, I tend to be a little bit more like, I'll take the tradeoff.
00:50:33
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But when it comes to like things measuring stuff about the health of my body, I want to feel like
00:50:41
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I can intrinsically trust that company. So I feel like I want Apple to make more products like this,
00:50:48
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even if stuff already exists out there in the world. I don't want to get like a blood pressure
00:50:54
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device from whatever company that keeps getting bought and sold by Finnish phone makers, right?
00:51:01
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Like, you know, like, that's the kind of stuff where I really want to feel like I can trust the
00:51:05
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company that that is selling to me. That's is that wild? What I just said? No, I'm right there with
00:51:12
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you. I think there's a big market for Apple to do this. I think the privacy stuff alone that Apple
00:51:17
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is so good at and talk about so often would put them in a good position in the market. Not only
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are they stable and not being bought and sold by Nokia every 10 minutes, but
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the fact that people could trust the devices to keep everything on their phone, it would all sink
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into health kit so you could have all your data with you all the time. That's what's so great
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about the Apple Watch is you have this rolling history and if you have one with an ECG or with
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the blood oxygen sensor all that data is in there as well. I think it makes a ton of sense for them
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to move into this and and honestly I wish they would I wish they would make you know cool exercise bikes and stuff and
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Flesh out this ecosystem and I think fitness plus could be the road to that right?
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It's not it's not that ever from Peloton
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They started with biking and over the years they've added other things
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You could start with the fitness classes and build out hardware and other things around it
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and so I think it's totally in there in their wheelhouse and
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Tim Cook is big on talking about Apple's
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Impact in their users lives when it comes to health and fitness and so it's it's even on brand from that perspective
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It's another realm of consumer technology, right?
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That's that's logical to get into and to continue pushing into because they sit they have seen
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great success with the Apple watch and
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I think a big part of that is all of the health stuff. I think that's what people care about
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I'm with you. I want to wear other watches, but I'm doing
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Physical therapy right now
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and so when I do that I take my watch off and put my Apple watch on to track that workout because I want that
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I wish I didn't have to
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switch back and forth
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mm-hmm well, let's get into
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and Relay FM. Apple released the beta 1 of iOS 14.5.
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Did 14.4 just come out? Was it 14.3?
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0.4 came out.
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It was 0.4 that just came out. I'm getting lost in all the numbers. There's been so many
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numbers. Which actually leads me to a question I wanted to ask you Federico. Is a 0.5 release
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unprecedented?
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In February, I think so. Usually this is like March, April. Like 0.5. Yeah.
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release brought the trackpad support. Point 3 and it was in the spring. Yeah. So, at least
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in recent times. No, no, 13.4. Okay. Yeah, in the spring. Yeah, they didn't even start
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getting to point fives until the last couple of years. Point 3 was as high as they went
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for quite a while. Yeah, and there's some of them that I believe, maybe iOS 13 had version
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0.6 and 0.7 but they were released like later in the year. So yeah I think it is
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this timeline is a little accelerated at this point. I mean a 0.5 at this time of
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year. So there's a bunch of stuff going on. I'll run through them and we
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can stop and talk about them if there's anything that we want to expand on. They
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finally put the Apple logo and landscape on the iPad boot up screen.
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Maybe it's one of those things that they've been meaning to check them off their list forever,
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and they finally had the time.
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But what's the significance of the horizontal Apple logo,
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besides being a nice thing?
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Well, I think it's been pretty obvious for a long time that the iPad is mostly used horizontal, right?
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Because Apple continues to make all these cases that put it in horizontal.
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And it's just one of those things where it's like, why is it taking you so long?
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And why have you done it now?
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I assume a lot of the time it means nothing, right?
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It's just that they just got round to it.
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But I think it's also fun, like how we look at the invites to Apple events and try and
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work out what they mean to look at random esoteric changes in iOS and work out what
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So this is one of those things.
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Something that's probably more useful to people is emoji search on the iPad virtual keyboard
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Federico, can you explain to me how this is different?
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Or what's going on here that's maybe not in other places?
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So what's going on is that emoji search
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was added to the iPhone's keyboard in iOS 14.
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And it was one of the big features for regular people.
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Like, oh, you can finally search for emoji.
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And what was weird about it is that iPad OS received
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the same emoji sort of a makeover with a new emoji pop-up in iPadOS 14.
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However, there was no search field, so they redid it, inspired by based on the iPhone design,
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but the key feature of it, the reason why a lot of people were excited about this emoji update,
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they did not ship it on the iPad. And it was weird because it's not like we're talking about,
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say, the home screen and having home screen widgets, which are missing on iPad, and you
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can make the argument for, well, that's a big complex thing and the iPad home screen
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is different, right, so maybe they need more work, they need more time, we don't like it
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but we understand. It was like a literal search box in an emoji popup and it was missing and
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it kept, you know, not being available until the iPad OS 14.5. So I don't know, I struggle
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to imagine the complexity of adding an emoji search field to the iPad once you've done
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the work on iPhone. It's like what, you forgot to add it? But I don't get it. Still, nice
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that it's finally available, I guess.
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When you install these new betas, do you still try and add widgets to the home screen?
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the iPad. I don't have the beta on my iPad. Oh, okay. Do you not? You put it on your iPhone?
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Every time a new beta version of iOS 14 comes out, I see the tweets of people saying, "No,
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still no widgets." Look, I don't think it's happening in the iPad OS 14 cycle at all.
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No, it's probably 15 now. If they're doing it... But I said this last year, in June we
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had the same conversation, like, if they're doing it, they're not gonna just flip a switch
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and say, "Oh, we enabled it on iPad." No. Because when they do it, you know that it'll come
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with other changes to the home screen and new widget sizes for the iPad. I think that's
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the reasonable way to go about it. Having more layout options and having more size options
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for widgets in iPadOS. So I think I would stop waiting for the magical beta of iPadOS
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that adds widgets to the home screen, it's not going to happen until iPadOS 15.
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Hopefully it's going to happen in 15.
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There's indications that Apple Card will be available for a joint account,
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which is not a thing that's been available before.
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I'm still surprised that Apple Card has not made its way outside of America.
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That is a surprise to me that they haven't started doing the Apple Card in other countries.
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Fitness Plus gains AirPlay support.
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So if you have a television that has AirPlay on it,
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you can AirPlay from an iPhone or an iPad
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with your Fitness Plus workouts.
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But when you're using AirPlay,
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your heart rate and fitness ring and other metric stuff
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is not shown on the Apple TV.
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You have to look at those on your Apple Watch.
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Don't know why.
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I guess those things are an overlay in a Fitness Plus app
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and it's not the videos.
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I guess. That's what's going on there.
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Support for the new games console controllers,
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the PlayStation 5 and Xbox controllers are supported now too, which is cool.
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They've redesigned the search pages and the podcast app.
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Type to Siri has been changed. What's going on with Type to Siri?
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So Type to Siri is now using the same compact UI
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that we've seen in other places in iOS 14.
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Previously, when you enable Type to Siri,
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which is an accessibility feature,
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It took over the entire screen, sort of blurring the background.
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And it was really unchanged from iOS 13.
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But now they have updated it so that it's now
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like this compact bubble that appears
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at the top of the Siri indicator.
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And so it's just this small floating text field.
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And you can type in it, and it doesn't hide the background.
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It doesn't blur the background.
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So you see what's underneath, whether it's
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the home screen or an application that you're using.
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And it's just another instance of Apple redesigning something that was full screen and taking
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over the context of what you were doing and making it smaller, making it compact, using
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these floating elements that they have used in a bunch of places in iOS 14.
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There's better support for 5G, you can now have dual SIM support.
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If you used 5G you couldn't have a dual SIM.
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Apparently they've made some stuff for T-Mobile too, which makes it better for 5G.
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App tracking transparency is one of the big things in 14.5.
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It's not being added, but this represents the deadline.
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So app tracking transparency is this thing where developers need to get permission from
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users to access their random advertising identifier to be able to track them around the web and
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in other apps.
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You've probably heard of this in relation to Facebook.
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There's Apple and Facebook are in a bit of a shouting match over this at the moment.
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I think this is going to be really interesting to watch how it's going to be rolled out.
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In theory every application that has any advertising in it which is powered by some kind of tracking,
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which is probably most of them I suppose, every app is going to have to say to you "hey,
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can I track you?" and then you say "yeah" or "please don't".
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I wonder what it's going to be like.
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The only thing that I can kind of remember is, do you remember when they changed, was
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Was it Bluetooth?
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In every application for a while was it asking you about your Bluetooth location thing?
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And it was really annoying.
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And I wonder if it's going to be like that.
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I'm also just intrigued to see how it ends up unfolding anyway because there's a lot
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of money and companies at play here and everyone's making increasingly aggressive attacks at
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Mostly it's just Apple and Facebook right now, but I don't know if it's going to stay
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I'm intrigued to see how this one's going to play out.
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Reminder sorting.
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What's going on there Steven?
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I have so many things to say about this.
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I am a connoisseur of task managers.
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I think everybody knows that.
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You're saying that to yourself.
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That is literally a compliment you're paying to yourself.
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Look, I'm a man of the people, but right under that is a connoisseur of task managers.
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I don't know if...
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Okay, so two compliments.
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I don't think man of the people and connoisseur go together.
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Well, man of the fancy people.
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I'm a man of the people unless it comes to task managers where I'm definitely better
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That's too long for the gravestone.
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You're a man of the people with many asterisks at the end of that sentence.
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Wait, did you just say you wanted that on your gravestone?
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I'm saying what you said would be too long for a gravestone.
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Steven Hackett. Steven Michael Hackett. Mm-hmm. Man of the people, connoisseur of task managers.
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Wait, your middle name is Michael? Yes. So Myke, is your middle name Steven?
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No. Wouldn't that be great though? I feel like I should change my name. Twins!
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Oh, Michael Steve... Steven Michael Hackett and Michael Steven Hurley.
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That's what the M stands for in ISMH. It's Michael.
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What do you think the M stood for?
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I thought it was Mark.
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No, that's my brother's name.
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The Hackett family naming is a trip.
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What were we talking about?
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Your gravestone.
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So in the Reminders app, which got a redesign, what Federico, in iOS 13? 12?
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When did they redo it?
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It was last, uh, two years ago I wrote about it.
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Reminders got this big overhaul, much better, but you cannot sort things in a list in any
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automatic way.
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And so they just, you add a new task to a list and they'd show up at the bottom.
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And a lot of applications have options to sort by due date or alphabetically or by when
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it was added, you know, various apps have various options.
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Things like to do is will automatically keep those lists sorted.
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So if you add a new item, it automatically goes into the right place.
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Something like OmniFocus, you have to resort the list every time.
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Anyways, reminders and I have this, which really bugged me because I really like sorting
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in my, in my list like send them sorted by due date.
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So this this comes out in the 14.5 beta.
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It's also very curiously in Big Sur 11.2 which is public.
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And in 11.3 beta they added printing but 11.2 adds the sorting.
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And you can…
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Who needs printing?
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I guess printing's a thing.
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Print your task list.
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Well, you want to go to the supermarket and you want to have a little piece of paper.
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You print out your reminders.
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As soon as I said it I realized the many, many reasons that you might want it.
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But then I second-guess myself of like, if it's so important, why is it taken two and
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a half years to add it?
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I think if anyone really needed it, they're not using reminders.
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You know, being this feature designed arguably for old people, they probably mailed their
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feature request to Apple and it took a while for the letters to arrive.
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Hey, I didn't mail it.
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I faxed it directly to Craig Federge's desk.
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So the sorting works, you can, it's on a per list basis, and you basically go into the
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list options and say sort by due date or whatever.
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It's still not exactly what I would want.
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It does this thing where tasks with no due date show up above tasks with dates.
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So in a list where you--
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It's done that to me again.
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So say you have a list with two items with no due dates.
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up at the top of the list above things that are overdue and due today and due
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tomorrow. Yeah that doesn't make sense. As opposed to being at the bottom which is
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where they should go. They show up at the top? Yeah. Why? I don't know it's really
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weird no other to-do app. And you're sorting by due date? Yes. And they show up
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at the top? Yes. They just show up at the bottom. It's like we live in Australia. Why do they show up at the top? I don't know. They just show up at the bottom.
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I will not accept this. Why did they show up at the top?
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Do they always show at the top whether you're ascending or descending on date?
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Are you ascending, Steven?
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Well, no, there's no ascending or descending controls. It's just manual, due date, priority,
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creation, data, title.
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No, hold on. Hold on. What if you tap this selected option again?
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I'm on my Mac. Let me get my phone.
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Does it toggle? Because sometimes they have these silly controls where it doesn't say
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ascending or descending, but if you tap it again, it switches the order.
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Could it be?
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Sort by due date.
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Okay, tap it again.
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Oh my gosh. On the Mac they show up at the top, on iOS they show up at the bottom.
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But does the ascend... oh, we need to come back to that in a second. Does the ascending/descending
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On iOS you have the option of earliest first or latest first, which is
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effectively ascending or descending.
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Yeah, no, that is what it is, but they don't name things.
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It's like, it's like, what is it? Outdent left and outdent right?
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Out, outdent left!
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No, I'm not, this is not a criticism. I think I said this at the time.
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Outdent left and outdent right, I know why, or it's indent left and indent right, whatever one it is.
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I know why you would do it, right? And it's the same way while I know why you would do
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earliest first and latest first rather than ascending and descending.
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It's not how languages work.
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I know, but they are easier to understand. Earliest first and latest first is easier to
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understand than ascending and descending, because typically ascending and descending
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is like USB for me. I always have to press it three times to get the one that I want.
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I think I want one, and then I change it, and then realize it wasn't the one that I
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it and then go back to the original one. Because, in my mind, I can never remember which one's
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going to be first if I'm ascending and descending. But anyway, so I know why they do all this.
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No, but outdent left and outdent right, it's as silly as saying, "You know how there's
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left and right?" Well, what if you said, "There's left and there's the other left." No, it's
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not called the other left, it's called right! It's left and left times two. Inverse left.
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It's not how it works.
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You can't just make up words like that.
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- So on iOS, no due date shows up at the top
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when you sort by date.
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And it's on the iOS, it's at the bottom where it should be.
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So the two apps don't even act the same way in the sorting.
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- Well, could it be that on the Mac it's not done yet
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'cause it's in an earlier version?
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- It may be, it may be.
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I'm not running 11.3 on any of my Macs.
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So maybe in 11.3 they act the same, but...
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Because on the iPhone it's acting as we would want it to, right?
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With new stuff showing at the bottom and on the Mac they're showing at the top.
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The thing that really kills me though is that the badging for all day tasks is totally not
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what most of these apps do.
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And so in Reminders you have an option to say, "Hey, remind me to call Federico at 3
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And at 3pm, I'll get an alert and I'll get a one on the reminders badge because I have that one task now do
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All day tasks a task without a time, but just a date like call Federico
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Sometime on Wednesday doesn't matter when I call him. I don't have a time associated with it. Just call Federico on Wednesday in
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Reminders on iOS and Mac OS there's a setting that I'm gonna get you the exact phrasing it is
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Today notification set a time to show notification when there are all-day reminders with no specific time
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So I could say hey I want at 830 a.m.
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For my Mac to remind me of all the tasks I have today
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That don't have a specific time associated with calendars stuff, right? Yeah can get a
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Notification for all day events at a certain time, right? Yes. It's exactly the same idea
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Yeah in every other app when a task is due today it becomes a number on the badge
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Yeah, it just badges it. Yeah reminders doesn't do this
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I think it used to I'm not positive it used to but at least it doesn't now in this newest version
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Even if you have all day reminders set so I could see a world
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Where the badge has nothing on it
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and then when it hits 830, the time I told it, all five of my all-day tasks
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become a five on the badge, right? I have five things due today. No, the badge
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shouldn't follow the alert time. Well, it should follow something, and so there is...
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Well, if something is, like, at least the way I see it, if something is due today,
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it badges, and then the alert time is something else. Yes, that is how it
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should work. There is no way for an all-day task to badge in reminders until it's overdue
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the next day. This feels like the perfect thing to write feedback about in all honesty. I know
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we make fun of this but this really feels like something you need to... I have filed feedback.
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Cool. No, that's on iOS too? Yes, iOS and the Mac. Weirdly, the today notifications setting
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doesn't sync so I could have my phone tell me at 10am about my all day reminders.
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But I want the badge to show me what's due today.
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How almost every other app I've ever tried, and I've tried basically all of them, there
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are options.
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No badge, a badge for overdue items, or a badge for overdue plus today.
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My assumption is that the reminders team, and I know they work hard on this and I'm
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I'm sure they're great people, but like they don't,
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they're so afraid, Apple is so afraid
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in its first party apps to add complication like this.
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Like if it behaved this way
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where things sorted the right way
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and they were consistent on both platforms
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and it would badge overdue plus today,
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I could get by on reminders really easily.
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And then I could take advantage
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of all the cool stuff reminders can do in the system.
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But I can't because I really rely on that badge
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to tell me what's left in my day.
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I know not everyone works that way,
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it's the way that I work.
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It's just, I find it frustrating.
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- The app only badges when there is a timed thing
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that has passed.
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- Yes, whether that be an all day thing
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in previous days, or there was a time
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and the time has now passed.
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There's no badging for things that are just due today,
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but haven't passed by yet.
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So an all day event, does that set a badge?
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Like if you have the triggering to remind you?
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- No, it does not.
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An all day task only becomes a badge
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when it's overdue by a day.
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- Yeah, that's what I'm saying, that's the problem.
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- That's even weirder.
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Why does it badge at all?
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- All the badges are things that are overdue.
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So say in my example, call Federico at 3 p.m.
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At 3.01 it becomes a badge.
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- This is very confusing.
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I have say call Federico and there's no time it won't badge until the next day
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So if I don't call Federico on Wednesday, it becomes a badge on Thursday
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Why does it have the ability to do it at all?
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But only when the day has passed because it then it's considered quote overdue
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But why do they care about overdue items so much? I don't know
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They make you feel bad too like this insistence on something being overdue. Yeah, it's unhealthy
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That's really... that's what... that's what...
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But the main problem is, if it's an all-day task, it is still due today. Like, the all-day,
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it means the day is today. So it should badge regardless.
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But they only care if you don't do it on that day. Like, now it's important.
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Like so, it's all day, but you only want to make me feel bad the following day?
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If I missed it, yeah.
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get some people don't want badges or they only want to be told about
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overdue things, then set the option that all these other apps have. Badge equals
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nothing. Badge equals overdue. Badge equals overdue plus today. That's
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how you fix this. You let people who designed this live the way they
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want to, and you let people like me who would like to use it live the way I want
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to. Yeah, these are the types of applications that if you want to get, if
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If you want to add more features to them, which they clearly do,
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because they could have just left it how it was,
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basically just a checklist app.
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They've clearly wanted to get more complicated,
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because they're adding more complicated features.
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You have to start getting into the mindset of setting
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sensible defaults and then allowing for customization.
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It really is the only way to do applications like this.
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Calendars-- and the Calendar app has quite a lot of customization
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you can do for it.
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as much as others but enough. But Canada applications to do applications, even notes applications
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to a point, like anything where people are supposed to be using them for work, which
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is the intention here, you've got to start putting in additional functionality with settings.
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Like you just got to give into it at some point.
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Yeah, no, I have provided feedback over the years on this because I think it'd be awesome
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to be able to use all the reminders can do so much like remind me when I'm texting somebody
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about this thing. That'd be really useful to me. The badging is just like a fundamental
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way of the way that I work.
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I think it'd be more awesome if they just opened those features up to any app.
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Oh, I agree. But short of that
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In OmniFocus. No, I don't want to say that every time. Don't I don't want to say that
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That's reminder sorting. We've held the best for last. Federico, tell us about Face ID
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in the Apple Watch.
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Yeah, so you can now, in iOS 14.5, you can unlock your phone even if you're wearing a
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mask by wearing an Apple Watch running watchOS 7.3. So as long as the watch is unlocked and
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nearby, meaning on your wrist, Face ID will not fail. When it detects that you're wearing
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a mask, you will see a message saying "Unlocking with Apple Watch". It takes about a second,
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and you will get a haptic feedback on the watch, and your phone will unlock. And your
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watch will say "iPhone unlocked with Apple Watch" or something like that. And it works
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really well. It's fast. Once you install all the updates, it just works. And I'm really
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impressed by it.
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Now question right off the top. It still knows it's you though, right or it wouldn't do this like if
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Sylvia tried to open your phone wearing a mask your watch is not gonna unlock it for her. Is it like the phone still?
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Thinks it's you it still has to get a partial match which which it can do but based on everything else except
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What is covered by the mask? Does that make sense? Yeah, like it's still checking that it's that it's Federico
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Are we positive that it does that?
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Well, that's my assumption. I assume it has to, right? Because otherwise, that would be really...
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I don't know, I just feel like that would be really weird. I feel like it must know.
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Because your phone knows it's you, even to a point. Which is how this works for me,
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where if I wear this one very specific type of mask that I wear a lot, I do have my phone on lock.
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Like I've said this on the show before, there's this one type of black mask that I wear the most.
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And if I'm wearing that mask and it's well, I'm in a well-lit area, my phone will unlock for me because it's trained on that.
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So my assumption is that it's looking at everything else about your face and it's confirming that that feels like it's you.
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Then checking that your watch is unlocked and in proximity and then unlocking.
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But I'm not sure if you can check for a partial match.
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I would love to know how it actually works.
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- I assume it has to be doing that,
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otherwise they wouldn't add this feature.
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- That would be my assumption as well.
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I've seen some tweets from people saying,
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"Oh, so now anybody can grab my phone
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and like unlock it with their face,
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even if my Apple Watch is nearby."
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- Yeah, I don't think that's what's going on here.
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- But I mean, at that point you have bigger problems, right?
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If someone is forcibly taking your phone and holding you by the wrist, you know,
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you have a bigger problem, right? But I still want to know.
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They need to hold you by the wrist though. They could just like,
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if you're in the same room.
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Or it could be right. Or it could be, you know, like in the same,
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I want to know more about the distance. Like what does nearby mean?
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Does it mean like 30 centimeters or does it mean like two meters away?
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Like that's a difference if you're in the same room. And also like,
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does it do any actual partial checking? I don't know.
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I don't know. But for what I've done so far, like for what I've used so far, it
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works pretty well. And it's like I'm convinced that like a lot of people will
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upgrade right away just because of this feature.
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So MacRumors says the iPhone will unlock after a partial face scan.
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The feature says that.
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I don't know how they know that, but that's what it's saying it will do.
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And I expect that that is what is happening, that your phone is getting at least some data
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about you who can't complete the scan.
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Because we know that Face ID has the capability to recognize partial face scans because you
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train the system.
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So that's the thing that we know that it can do, that if it thinks that it's got you but
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it's not sure, you put your pin in and then the system learns.
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So the system has the ability to say, "I think this is Federico, but I'm not sure."
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So I expect that is what's happening.
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It's like...
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That would be...
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That makes sense to me.
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Because otherwise, I feel like it wouldn't be worth doing.
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Because we've gotten this far, right?
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We're a year into the pandemic now.
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If this feature was removing that level of security, I honestly feel like it wouldn't
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be worth enabling at this point. But as of right now, we do not have an answer for you,
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except that's what we think is going on. I mean, it's not going to make me wear an Apple
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Watch, because I've gotten by. I've definitely gotten by at this point, so it's not going
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to turn me around. But if you are already an Apple Watch owner, then awesome.
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I think that's it. I think we're done. If you want to learn more about the stories we
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talked about. We have a bunch of links over on our website at relay.fm/connected/331.
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While you're there you can get in touch via email with feedback or follow up or you can
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become a member and you'll get connected pro which is an ad free longer version of the
01:24:08
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show each and every week. Each and every week. I do have some some real time follow up. It
01:24:15
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It seems like the 11.3 beta fixes the sorting issue and reminders.
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So, forget what I said about sorting to the top and bottom with things that, not the date.
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So that seems to be taken care of in the Mac beta.
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Where was I?
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I talked about links, how you can become a member, get connected pro, which is really
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You can find us all online as well.
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You can find Myke online, he is @imyke on Twitter, and Myke hosts a bunch of shows here
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on Relay FM.
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Myke, anything you want to share this week?
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Last week you said you love everybody, so that was nice.
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Now I'm unsure about everybody.
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Times have changed.
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I'm suspicious.
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I just have one eye on everyone.
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You can find Federico on Twitter as @vittici. He's the editor-in-chief of MacStories.net.
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Federico, what TV series do you enjoy watching and re-watching?
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Ah, easy. I know what this answer is.
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The O.C. Yeah. That's what I had in mind.
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It's a combination of nostalgia, absolutely fantastic soundtrack, lots of good memories
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associated with the show, bands that I've got to know and actually met in person that
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I discovered by watching the OC, plus the whole thing of like high school memories and
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yeah, absolutely, like I've watched it I don't know how many times.
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You can find my writing at 512pixels.net and I'm on Twitter and Twitch as ismh.
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I'd like to thank our sponsors this week, Squarespace, Smile, and Mack Weldon.
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Until next week, gentlemen, say goodbye.
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Arrivederci.