332: Pretending — Once Again — to be John Voorhees
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- Hello and welcome to Connected episode 332.
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It's made possible by our sponsors this week,
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Hover and Mack Weldon.
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My name is Steven Hackett
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and I am joined by Mr. Federico Vittucci.
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- Hello, my name is Federico Vittucci.
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- I don't know, you just say my name is
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and I figure I should say the same.
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- Okay, you're Federico Vittucci?
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Yes, it's me.
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We're also joined by Myke Hurley.
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Hello, my name is Federico Vitticci.
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I know, right?
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But then we have a problem.
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You weren't expecting that, were you?
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Steven, you need to make us solve some kind of puzzle
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or like a cap shot to prove that we are.
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We're the Spider-Man meme now.
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We're both Federico.
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So Steven, you have to choose
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which one's the real Federico.
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Or which one is the real Myke.
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Maybe that's the actual way to do it.
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Maybe Myke is like an entity that doesn't actually exist.
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It's more like a state of mind.
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- I'm like Ditto.
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I just take on the form of people around me.
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- Steven, what is Ditto?
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- I don't know.
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It's a Pokemon.
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- I guess that because it was the two of you,
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but who I was really thinking about was Kirby.
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Isn't Kirby the mazendo?
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You can pull your powers.
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Actually, it sort of works too. Because they're both pink and kind of blob-like and they both,
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like Kirby's thing is that he eats people and then can absorb their power which is so
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gross and horrifying. Kirby is like a terrifying character, really. Kirby's power is so upsetting.
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But in a way, so imagine like if Myke ate me and then took onto my semblance, that would
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be sort of like what Kirby does.
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But the ditto is better because ditto just looks at something and then can become it.
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It's not as gross.
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Yeah, that's less upsetting than having to eat it.
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Yeah, I don't want to do that.
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The digestion is really what makes the difference.
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Should we do follow-up?
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I just wanted to point people to the end of last week's show where I had real-time follow-up
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But of course it was too late because people had already
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Commented to me as they're listening to the show so
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Reminders has had sorting on Mac OS for quite a while, but it's not
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Remember I talked about like tasks with no times go at the top all that stuff
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That's all true of the old Mac version of sorting and reminders.
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What's new in iOS 14.5 and Mac OS 11.3, their respective betas, is that the sorting works the same way.
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So the sorting on iOS does it the way I want it to and the Mac
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follows suit. So that's weird.
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It's always weird that the Mac version had sorting before the iOS version even though it got some things wrong about it.
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but they're moving to unify how the two work.
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Now as far as I can tell the newer betas don't solve my badging problem but I filed a feedback
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and hopefully that will spur some discussion.
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You're very well behaved.
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Mhmm to file a feedback.
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Like a good testing board.
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Well it was a rock that I tied a note to and then threw it over the wall at Apple Park.
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Mhmm fair enough.
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Like whatever you gotta get it done, get it done.
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That's right.
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have a heck of an arm to throw something over the building into the middle.
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Isn't that like an Olympic sport?
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I guarantee that lasers would appear and just shoot it out of the sky. You're not gonna
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get it over there.
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Defense lasers?
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Just straight out there.
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Like a drone defense system.
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Kind of like that.
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We spoke about Carrot Weather 5 last week, and we were talking about the various weather
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services we use, listener Brian wrote in to tell us about a website called
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Forecast Advisor. Now this only works in the US, so if you're outside of the US
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sorry about this, but if you're in the US you can enter your zip code like I'm
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entering mine right now and you can compare forecast accuracy for your area
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over the last month and the last year. So it turns out for me I've been using
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AccuWeather, but AccuWeather is only about 80% accurate over the last month
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and the last year. That's unacceptable. Yeah, they should call it like
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kind of weather or something. 80 weather. 80 weather. So the Weather Underground,
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the Weather Channel, and Forca? F-O-R-E-C-A? Forca. It's a forca. I wanted a
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spoon oh whoa hello hi are you Federico
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prove it we're all Federico now so anyways I've switched to this because it
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seems to be the most accurate and it is funny and carrot whether if you switch
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between them sometimes how different the forecast can be the forecast the fork
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Um, okay. I mean, this is a nice, nice idea. It's like a fact checking for weather forecasts.
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Yeah, it's pretty cool. But again, only in the US, so that's, that's a bummer for some people.
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Twitter should start applying labels to these other services, right? So like,
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AccuWeather tweets and it's like, oh, this is only correct 80% of the time.
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Oh, like they did to, uh, what's his name? They kicked off Twitter.
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Yeah, that guy.
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That guy. What is it?
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they should start doing that for weather services now too.
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This one did, this follow-up did sting a little bit honestly
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because I was the one who wanted this and I can't
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and it's US only. I was the one of the three of us that wanted to know if there
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was a better service than the one I was using but
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you know. Sorry. Can't help that Brian did
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what Brian could and this was the best that Brian could do.
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Myke, you have been on a vision quest to try to understand how the Apple Watch
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unlock works with masks and the betas.
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Do you have any, any new visions from your quest?
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I still don't have the answer that I want.
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So what I want to know is exactly how Apple is doing the authentication for Face ID.
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Um, Alex wrote in to say that they've been able to basically just get it to
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unlock on any face as long as he was holding the phone basically.
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So it seems like it's the proximity thing. Um,
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so it seems very much like that's the case, right?
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That like it's all proximity based, but I, I would love, uh,
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I was talking about some upgrade with Jason because Jason was doing similar
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I would love Apple to publish a white paper and say what they're doing here.
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Like I want, and again, it's not that I'm like trying to be like, Oh,
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this isn't safe. I just want to know. I'm just curious. Like what, how,
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what is it and like what what kind of level of security do they deem this feature as like is it
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is it less secure than touch id like what is it in like or do they although they really believe in
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their proximity stuff that it's better than that or you know it's like i'm just intrigued i would
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just like to know and i'm also intrigued to see what the kind of so federico when you sign when
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and you set this up.
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Did the iOS talk you through it all?
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No, you just go to settings
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and you flip a switch.
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See, I would I'm intrigued to see
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if in the final version, if there
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isn't like an onboarding of any kind
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to explain this to people or
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Yeah, I don't know.
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It's a really cool feature, but it
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is it's potentially
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less secure than your passcode.
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Well, I guess once iOS 14.5
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comes out, they will update the
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security white paper that they already have on the website with a new section for this.
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You still have to make sure that your watch is authenticator, of course. So yeah, you're
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giving up on some level of security, but it still relies on the fact that you are wearing the Apple
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Watch. So, I mean, yeah, technically somebody could forcibly grab you and force you to authenticate
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just by the fact that you're wearing an Apple Watch. But at that point you've got all kinds of
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But exactly, at that point you have all kinds of problems. More realistically speaking,
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it could also mean that if you go to sleep with your watch on, whoever kind of person lives with
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you, for example, they could grab the phone at night and unlock it just by using proximity.
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But again, at that point…
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Then again, you have trust issues and all that.
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You have a different set of problems.
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You have a different set of problems. So, yeah, once you enable this, very convenient,
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just make sure, you know, be aware of your surroundings, I guess. If you wear the Apple
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Watch at night, and, you know, when you go out and about, just the people around you
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may be able to authenticate your phone, to unlock your phone, just by, you know, taking
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advantage of the fact that you're wearing an Apple Watch, essentially.
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Matt's saying in the members Discord that if you use sleep mode, it doesn't work during
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I was literally about to say that, thank you Matt.
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That makes a lot of sense.
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That makes a lot of sense.
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You might not use sleep mode, right?
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Like, I don't know.
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It's up to you if you use that feature or not.
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But that's-- that is good design, to put that in there.
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If you remember last week, we were talking about Dan Riccio
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was going to be moving on.
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Apple announced that he was going on a special project.
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And we were talking about what that could have been.
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And I remember saying, I don't think it was a car,
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like everybody else thought.
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And I figured it was more likely he
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was going to be working on the AR and VR project.
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Mark Gurman is reporting in Bloomberg that that's exactly what Dan Riccio
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is going to be moving on to, is helping Apple kind of realize
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their hardware goals for the AR/VR project.
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So he's kind of helping oversee a lot of that now, apparently,
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according to Mark Gurman.
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This makes way more sense than a car to me, and he may work on
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if they're working on some kind of car project.
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That might be a thing that he does next, but it really seems like it would more
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likely be whatever the next big project is rather than like the next next next
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big project. Some articles put this in context as that he stepped down to do
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this which I mean he was in charge of basically all hardware engineering it
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seemed like or a lot of it and is now just doing this but I don't know I don't
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know if Apple sees that as a step down if I feel like at Apple and from what
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I've read about the beginning of the iPhone and iPad and other projects. To be moved from
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your regular work to secret project, right, where no one knows really what it is and you
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sort of disappear for a while, that seems like an honor within Apple. So I don't know
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if stepping down or it being a demotion, that sort of thing is quite right. It's definitely
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not how I view it. I view it as he's going to go do this future thing and let and let
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Turn us take over everything else that's that's up and and running. I don't know that framing just sort of struck me as weird
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I think that there's two ways to look at it, right?
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Like one we know that we know from what Apple said that he is reporting directly to Tim Cook
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But in his new role Dan Riccio running this special project the AR VR stuff
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We assume he probably reported straight to Tim Cook anyway
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Because I don't think that there is anybody else like previously he may Dan Riccio may have reported to Johnny I've but I don't think
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think that there's anyone that fills that kind of role anymore. I don't know though.
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But I understand how some people refer to it as a stepping down because it's surely
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less work than running all hardware. Because as the Senior Vice President of Hardware Engineering,
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this AR/VR hardware would have come under his purview anyway, right? Because it's hardware.
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But now he's going to be moving on to kind of like help shore up this entire part of
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the division.
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He's not reporting directly to Tim Cook, but you assume that he now has a much more focused
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So I know why people call it stepping down, but I also understand why you're saying like
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it doesn't seem like it would be stepping down because this is, I mean, I'm sure Apple
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is currently trying to set this up as like their next like huge project, right?
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big as the iPhone project or whatever is what I assume is what they want this
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whatever this endeavor is to be so heading being responsible for helping
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bring that to market I mean that could put your name in the history books I
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have a quick aside okay something I noticed while preparing for the show I love
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Safari reader view okay it's so good I I use this when I'm preparing for shows so
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So even though I use Reader, R-E-E-D-E-R, Reader for RSS to look through all my feeds,
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I typically don't read stuff there for show prep.
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Like I read things there just for interest.
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But if I want to read something for preparing for the show, like all of the links that I
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put into our document today, I send them out to Apple Notes.
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And then I will then open them when I'm sitting down at my Mac.
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websites that I genuinely love their reporting and there's the awesome too
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many ads on them like just to the point where it becomes difficult to read them
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that's where I have an issue like sometimes I'm trying to like I can't
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even read the stuff or what's even worse auto playing video and all that kind of
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stuff I love Safari review because it works very well and my favorite feature
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about it the main reason I wanted to bring it up today is I love so much that
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you can automatically turn it on for some websites I don't do this for all
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websites but there's some that are so bad that I do and I just really appreciate
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that feature because like reader views and stuff like that very normal right
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like they've been around since like I guess Instapaper was the first right
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of these kinds of things yeah I think so I mean well I mean if you go way if you
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go way back like delicious is kind of that but well back then there used to be
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like some kind of dispute between Instapaper and Pocket before it was
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called Pocket, it was called ReadItLater. But I believe that the text parser was an
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Instapaper thing.
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So that's kind of what I'm talking about, is like the taking a web page and stripping
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all of the bad stuff out of it so you just get the text. So it's been around for a while,
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but what I really like about ReadItView is that you can just say, "Hey, for every time
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I click on a link from this domain, just turn it on." It's a great feature. It's a great
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feature Safari. Yeah, and I love how you can... I believe it was added last year, the settings
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that you can, like, enable it on a per website basis. It's really well done, like, you can
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say some websites I always want to open in this mode. Like, for example, there's a few
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blogs that I enable content blockers for in the Safari settings, and I also switch to
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reader view by default. So as soon as I open, like, an article from those websites, it stops.
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whatever, the content blockers need to stop, and it also switches to reader view. And it's
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really nicely done. And it also integrates with shortcuts. It's one of the Safari features
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that you can also activate from shortcuts. Really well done. Too bad that the reader
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view, like, it had so many updates, especially over the past couple of years, but the feature
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that could take advantage of it the most, which is Safari Reading List, has basically
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languished for six, seven, probably eight years at this point without virtually any
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updates whatsoever. So reader view, lots of good progress there. Reading list, kind of
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a shame. It's been the same since the... I don't think it's an exaggeration to say since
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iOS 7, it's basically stayed the same.
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It feels like one of those features that they decided to do and it's like this is a good
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idea and then maybe came to the realization that pretty much everybody that wants a service
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like this has something that they use, you know?
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At some point they added an option to automatically download the content of those stories, but
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when I looked at it, it was real hit or miss as to whether it actually worked.
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Yeah, one time I was going to WWDC, I was so happy that I had a reading list set to
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automatically download stories for me, and so I get on a plane and I enable airplane
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and I'm like, "Okay, yes, fantastic. I'm going to read a bunch of articles."
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And then I opened Safari and nothing was saved offline.
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-Oh, no. -I can't remember this.
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I don't know how they can remember this.
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I was very sad.
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So, yeah, I mean, we're going to have to revisit this topic, I think.
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I'm in between places at the moment when it comes to reading things later.
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I'm very undecided because, on one hand, I like to use Reader,
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the RSS client and it's read later integration.
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So you can save things for later.
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And it strips the text with its own specific like text parser.
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But then if you want, you can also reopen articles in Safari View Controller within Reader.
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So that's cool.
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And it syncs with iCloud and it's got shortcuts integration.
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It's really nicely done.
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On the other hand, a couple of months ago, when I got the Kindle, basically,
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I signed up for this survey. I'm actually like a patron on Patreon for this
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service. It's called Push to Kindle, and it's this little bookmarklet that lets
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you save any article from the web to your Kindle as like a personal document
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that's in theory what they're called in the Kindle system. So anything that I
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I find on the web. I push this little bookmarklet in Safari and the text parser is really, really,
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really well done. I think it's the best one I've tried. Like, better than Safari Reader,
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better than Insupaper, better than Reader. And it sends that document to your Kindle.
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The problem is I love reading on the Kindle and I love the text extraction that the Push
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to kindle service does. The problem is I miss the fact that if I want to then take something
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from that article and, I don't know, tweet it or link it on Mac stories, it becomes a problem
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because that article is then on my kindle. So I gotta find the article on my iPad again and find
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a bit of... You need a reverse service that pushes kindle to the web.
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And now that you mention it, I've actually been thinking through this over the holiday
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break. There is that kind of service, something called Readwise. I don't know if you guys
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have ever seen this. I think David Sparks mentioned this recently. It's a service that
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aggregates all of your highlights from your Kindle library. And it's got Notion integration.
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I don't use Notion, but I know that a bunch of folks use it because of that.
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It's got Notion. No, it's got a bunch of export options, and it's got a native app as well as
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as a website. The thing is, Readwise only works for actual Kindle books. It doesn't
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work for personal documents that you save to your Kindle. So even if I highlight something
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in an article that I saved to my Kindle library, it doesn't sync up with Readwise, because
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it's not a book. It's a personal document, and Readwise does not support personal documents.
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So, like I said, I'm in between places at the moment.
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Have you used like a Instapaper or Pocket or anything now?
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- Three months ago, I went through all of them again.
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And each one of them had something that was like,
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eh, like I like it, but this thing I'm not really sure about.
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Like Instapaper, what turned me away from it
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was the infrequent updates and sort of the sense that,
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I don't know, it just feels like it could go away any moment.
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I don't know. It's been through a bunch of different ownerships over the years and I
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don't know. I just saw in the release notes that like last update one year ago, I was
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like, "Oh, boy." So I looked at Pocket, and the thing with Pocket is that they really
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tried... It's owned by Mozilla now, so that's cool.
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I always forget that.
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But they really try to sell you on the discovering more articles thing.
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Like, I don't want to open something and see all of these different recommendations for,
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"Hey, discover more articles."
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I already got like hundreds of things in my backlog.
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I don't need to...
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Remember when Evernote started doing that?
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Like, "Hey, your notes about this, maybe you want to read this from the New York Times."
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No, I don't.
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And also Pocket is like very non-native in the way that it looks. So that was out.
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Then I started looking at this other application that nobody sees. It's one of those things that I
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discovered on the App Store. Nobody really knows about it. It's called Articles Plus, I think.
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It's got a blue icon with the shape of an A, of the letter A. And it's really nicely done. It's
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it's got a subscription model, there was something that did not convince me. And so it was down
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to Reeder and something else. But I tried them all and it was like, ultimately, I really
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like what Reeder is doing. ReadKit recently came out. So ReadKit used to be a Mac app
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that came out in 2012 or 2013, back when I used to write about Mac apps. And it was like
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an alternative to Reader for Mac back in the day. Then it sort of disappeared. The developer
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got in touch with me again last month and said, "Hey, I've been working on a major revamp
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of ReadKit, it's coming back on the App Store, and there's going to be an iPhone and iPad
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version now." It's like, great, yes. It's nice. It's very nice. I think you can log
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in with your Instapaper and Pocket credentials as well, but I still kind of prefer Reader.
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and the way that just... Reader has got something.
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I talked about this on App Stories a few months ago.
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It's got that special something.
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I don't know if it's the animations or the design
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or the speed.
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So I don't know. I got to decide what I want to do, really.
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Maybe I'm just going to stick with the Kindle.
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It's not like I find myself having to highlight things
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and export them, you know, that frequently.
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-Steven, do you use anything?
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-Yeah, I use Reader for RSS
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And then for saving things later I use Good Links.
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Good Links! Oh, that's a good one. I saw that you wrote about this in six colors.
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Yeah, I like Good Links.
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And it uses Safari View Controller if you want to open an article, right?
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Yes. And you can force it. You have Safari Reader Mode there. I think you can force it
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into Reader Mode.
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You can force it, yeah. John really likes Good Links, also because of the shortcuts
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integration that it's got and the I think it also has like custom actions
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right you can make your own yes um yeah I don't know why like I've heard people
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talk about good links for ages I don't for some reason it never clicked in my
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head that it was like an insta paper thing I always kind of thought it was
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like a pinboard thing you know there's still plenty of folks who use pinboard
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that surprises me I did yeah I did for a long time but gave up on it but like
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that's what I thought good links was I thought it was just like you just saved
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links and then you went and did something with them I didn't know that
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you could like read yeah and them read in it as well yeah okay but this feels
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like good links feels a bit like a mixture between a pin board and a
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insta paper right like kind of like it is cool because you from the way they
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got it set up it kind of looks like you keep things in it forever and you like
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tag them and stuff. You can or you can archive them I don't use any tags I just
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have an unread list and then I mark it as read and it just goes in the read
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list forever. I have a question for both of you. I'm just gonna say I'm not this kind of person so I'm intrigued.
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Like you see you're going through your day, you're seeing things,
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you're putting them in good lengths, you're putting them in read later or
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or whatever. When do you actually read these things?
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Well, okay, so for me...
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Why? Obviously later.
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For me, it's two very specific moments.
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If it's something that I know I want to link on Mac Stories,
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I'll save also a reminder for a very specific time of day.
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So, like, if I know I'm going to link this, like, in the afternoon,
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I'm going to sit down at 5 p.m., read it,
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and then contextually to that,
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I'm also going to do a link post on Mac Stories.
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stories. But usually it's before going to bed.
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Yeah, if there's something, if there's something I'm going to link, I'll make a task. If it's
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something that I want to save for a show, I have a way to save things directly into
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Kraft for future show notes. Good Links is mostly like non-tech stuff that I come across
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that again I want to read later. And usually it's in the evenings or on the weekends. And
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it's great on the iPad.
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So you've settled on Kraft for show links now?
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I have all my work notes in Kraft, all my personal notes in Apple Notes.
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I have all my notes in Kraft and we also do our show notes in Kraft.
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No, no, don't think about it, Myke.
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I am thinking about it, though.
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So we've been doing app stories and unwinding Kraft
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for almost three months at this point.
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I don't think I don't imagine show notes like because what I just did
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something to our document that Google Docs is best for.
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Like I just picked something up and moved it.
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And I know with craft that's going to take a little bit to refresh.
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And someone might have moved, like gone straight into that topic.
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And I'd intended to move like the thing about Google Docs,
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which makes it what it is, is like it's instant.
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The changes are instant. You can watch me typing. Right. For sure.
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And once you're used to that, if you work that way,
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it's hard to move away from.
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Like if you have the kind of show notes that are like
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you don't move them around a lot or whatever, then fine.
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But I think for this show, for many of my shows, we've gotten
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maybe too used to it, right?
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Like maybe if I was starting something from scratch, it wouldn't be so
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I wouldn't be so used to it.
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So Google Docs, I do struggle with, but craft like it's interesting.
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It's interesting to me.
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Like I keep my eye on it and I use it,
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but I don't use it to the extent that you guys are.
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And I'm intrigued.
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It's just I have a lot of stuff that I still want to move into it,
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but I'm still waiting for them to add some features that I want.
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Like tables. Tables is my thing. I want tables.
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I also want better outlining support.
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I need to contact them about that at some point.
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They don't do a very good job with like keyboard control of outlining.
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Yeah, indenting.
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My indent right and indent left.
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That's what it was. Indent right, indent left.
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Yeah, they don't.
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They don't do a very good job with that.
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And they have a lot of work that they need to do.
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if you are a bulleted list type person like I am, especially, like I write pretty much everything in
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outline format, of a loose outline format, and while they support it, it's slow, it's very slow.
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And they recently, just a few days ago, they added this new toggle list mode, which at first I thought
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it was like folding and it's basically the opposite of...
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I could not understand it.
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Yeah, so if anybody from Kraft is listening to this, I don't think you did an excellent job
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with the toggle list mode because like it defies the expectations of anybody who's ever
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used any folding system in a text editor before. At least my default interpretation of that was
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like "Oh great, I can now fold headings!" Which is usually what you do, like in an outliner
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or in a markdown editor that has support for folding, like say editorial years ago, or
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task paper. You usually fold the heading, so if you do like an heading like an H2 or
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H3, then you can fold it and it folds the entire section contained within that heading,
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within that section. Or in an outliner, you can fold anything. For example, in OmniOutliner,
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you enter things in a list, and then you decide what you want to open and what you want to
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fold. Here, and I still struggle to understand what the toggleList thing does, but it seems
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that you have to write first, and then you apply the toggle list format, and then you
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can fold? It's very strange and very weird. And I spent 20 minutes trying to understand
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it, and then I texted John, and I was like, "Hey, do you know how this works?" And usually,
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like—and I mean, I don't mean this to brag, but like, I've tried many, many, many text-based
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apps over the years and usually when I don't understand something it's not a good sign.
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So I gotta send them some kind of feedback I think.
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Yeah I tried it out and I could not work out how to do it. I don't know why, I felt stupid,
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right? Because it's like "what's wrong with me? Why can't I work this out?"
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Because I was pressing the little arrow and then I started typing and the arrow disappeared.
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I was like "wait, what's happening here?" In any case.
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app. It is cool. I look forward to the day when I can use it more, but because
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I'm very confident that the things that I want added are things they will add and
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improve. So I use it a lot for a specific type of thing, but I would like
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to move more stuff into it, like preparing my links and stuff for shows,
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because it seems good for that.
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Let's take a break, and then I have a proposal
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before we move on, so don't jump into the next topic yet.
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I accept, yes, Steven, I say yes.
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I will marry you.
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All it took was for you to pretend to be him
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I'm ready, I'm yours, babe.
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- Can I just give a bit of real time follow up real quick?
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Is that okay?
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Just before your proposal, before we move on from it?
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- Okay, yes.
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- 'Cause I was trying out the craft thing again,
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the toggling thing.
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- I was on my iPhone.
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- And it seems like the way that you get the little,
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basically it's all, the problem is the indenting.
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Because to get it to nest, you have to do indenting.
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And one of the reasons that the nesting doesn't work very well
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is because they have to work on their indenting.
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So these things actually seem to go hand in hand.
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Please, please give us your proposal.
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We have five topics, five mini topics,
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and then one regular topic, which isn't even all that long,
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I don't think.
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I don't think it's a traditional full length topic.
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So my suggestion is that I spin a wheel,
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and a wheel that's one through six,
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I already have it prepared,
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and then we do that corresponding number of tiny topic.
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So if I roll a four, we talk about what is labeled
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number four in the show notes.
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And we do three of these, we take a break,
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and then we do the last three, and then we're done.
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I just feel like we need some spontaneity today.
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- All right.
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You just wanted to spin the wheel. Yes. I mean, you know, some people spend a bunch
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of time like putting them in the right order. Trying to understand what's the flow of a
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show, trying to understand like what topic follows one another and then comes... I have
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to tear up my entire script now. Then comes in Stephen Hackett spinning his wheel just
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for the funsies. Okay. All my jokes are going to be in the wrong place and they don't make
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any sense. And you can say like, as I mentioned before, no, because you didn't mention it,
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I can't say that. Okay.
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We're going off script. Okay.
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So we scroll down number four.
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Oh well, isn't that a coincidence?
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You said number four as an example
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and then number four is the first one?
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Just say that you really want to talk about this thing.
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I don't care about this thing. I don't care about this thing.
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Tiny topic number four. Another weird charging device.
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device so our friends at Satechi are back they will basically put a USB port
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and a charging pad on anything. On anything? Anything. You can't move for USB-C ports at Satechi.
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I saw this on MacRumors and just thought that I feel like over the last
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few months especially I just keep bringing increasingly more peculiar
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charging devices to the show but I actually thought this one's kind of
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ingenious it's like a little I don't know it's maybe the size of a like a
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like a box of matches or something you know maybe somewhere between a box of
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matches and a pack of playing cards it's just this little piece of aluminium on
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one side is an Apple watch charging puck and on the other side is a rectangular
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Qi charger that is perfectly sized for an AirPods case to go on. And because it's
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USB-C, it's like bi-directional, not bi-directional, what do you call it when you can put it
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in either way around? Maybe it's just that. Reversible? Reversible. Reversible. There you go.
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So the idea would be you'd plug this into the side of your laptop or to
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your iPad if it was laying down and then you could, if one side you could charge
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your Apple watch flip it over charge your AirPods it's 50 bucks you can only
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buy it in the Apple store it's colored to look like the the color of the over
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MacBook I just thought it was like a cool little gadget so that's the end of
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my point on this do either of you think this is cool at all no well so when do
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you need chart okay here's the air pod thing I get I struggle to imagine the
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Emergency situation you may find yourself in that you really need this accessory
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Yeah, what do you need to like charge your Apple watch on the go?
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I mean, I don't know what it's like for you people that charge your Apple watches
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I don't know. Maybe you need to you know, you're sleeping in it or whatever and you need I don't know
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I don't know what it's like to put people like you who wear Apple watches all the time. Maybe you need that
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I think it's cool. So the reversible design, I think it's really it's really cool
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Honestly, that's why I brought because I just thought it was kind of genius. I just think it's like an ingenious little design.
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It is. It's very compact. It's got a single USB-C plug. I think it's very nicely done as an object.
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I just I have doubts about the practicality of it.
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It's like most of the time I charge my AirPods on my main charger and the watch in the morning
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It's like do I need another
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What is essentially like a little dongle? Do I need another of these things?
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things in my life? And right now maybe the answer is no, but also because I'm spending
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a lot of time at home, so maybe if I was traveling more... I just think that a lot of these accessories
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that we're seeing lately, they would make a lot more sense in a COVID-free world?
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Yes, of course. I mean, this looks to me like a really good "I work all day at the coffee
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shop" kind of thing, right? Because it's like, "Oh, I need to charge my AirPods. I'll just
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Put them on there. Nice.
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But I struggle to imagine, I think we're all having this problem right now,
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I struggle to remember what that feels like at this point.
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Like hey, remember when you could go and work from a place without any restrictions whatsoever?
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So yeah, this makes a lot of sense.
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And it made a lot of sense two years ago.
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Now I think it's... the concept is very cool.
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The need for it may be limited.
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I don't know.
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Ian has made a very good point in the Discord that this is kind of like a shelf and you
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love shelves.
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Maybe this is for you.
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It's a shelf for your other devices.
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It is a shelf.
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I'm buying five of them!
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Put them all over my house!
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It does look like a mini shelf for your iPad. So a shelf! It's a charging shelf.
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Okay, I take back everything I said. And you can use it on the iPad. Although,
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like, ultimately less usable on the iPad, because it has to be, like, flat on the table,
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right? If you could change the angle of the thing,
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like if you could rotate the shelf, now that would be cool.
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That would be the pro version next year for $89.
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dollars yeah yes yeah I guess the Apple watch is probably good right because
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it's magnetic so that's gonna work but for the air pods is tricky all right
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that was tiny topic number four spin the wheel spin the wheel again number five
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oh well that's stupid we're just moving in the order of the show now you
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complained about one way you can plan about the other way do you remember when
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Apple added like was it called smart gene it's smart shuffle it was genius
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genius play a shuffle oh yes I always loved that feature where it it may
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because I think I remember Steve jobs like describing it as like the thing
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about shuffle is that it is like completely shuffling so sometimes you
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will get to artists that were the same one after another and a playlist of
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random music because it's purely random so then Apple created Genius Shuffle
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where that wouldn't happen. I just thought it was just such a great little
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software design. I always really liked that. So you should you should put
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Genius Shuffle in your wheel there, Steven. So what was the tiny topic? Number
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five. Apple is coming after Waze. This is an article over on Mac stories
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by John. One true John. One true John. OTJ. OTJ, is that right? Yes. Yeah, One True John.
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Call it that. So in Waze, forever, you've been able to report things like an accident
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or a speed trap, right, where a cop is like behind a tree, he's gonna catch you speeding
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right at the sign. Problems on the roads, like there's a pothole on the road and whatever.
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Yeah, all that stuff, right? And it goes into the Waze database and everyone using Waze
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is alerted and you know, it can reshape traffic
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because of that.
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In the iOS 14.5 beta, Apple Maps has had accident hazard
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and speed check reporting added to the phone,
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to CarPlay and to Siri, which is pretty cool.
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And so if you are out driving about,
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you can hit the report button.
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And as John points out, and I agree with this,
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In CarPlay, it's like on the far right-hand side,
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which is the opposite side of the driver in the US.
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It's kind of hard to reach, and it's a really small target.
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But you can use Siri as well.
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And so you can report one of these things,
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and it will mark where you are,
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and feed into the giant algorithm
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that makes people drive around with Apple Maps.
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- I have a question. - Okay.
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- As I don't know.
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In other countries where you drive on the other side of the road, does the carplay UI flip?
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Yes. I think it does.
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It does. That's cool.
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That's cool.
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Yeah, where the dock is on the right-hand side if you drive on...
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What if your car goes over like the line of where if...
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No, I guess it doesn't matter, right? You're always on that...
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What? That's not how you drive?
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Never mind. Don't worry about what I just said. Forget I said anything.
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If you go over the ladder, you're gonna die.
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I think speed check is really weird to add in here.
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By Apple explicitly.
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Because you only need to know about speed checks if you're going over the speed limit.
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Well, well...
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No, that's the only reason, right?
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So it seems kind of strange that you choose three things and one of them is "help me break
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the law", right?
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It's a way for people to know where speed cameras or speed checking checkpoints usually
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are installed.
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You only need to know that if you're going too fast.
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I don't want to say things that would be misinterpreted, so... yes.
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Yes, that's correct.
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It's a way for people to know.
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I think it's good when these devices or sensors, they tell you like, hey, you're going over
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the speed limit. I think that's useful to know in case people don't know.
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I think, okay, I'm going to try to generalize my thought.
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Yeah, please.
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I think a lot of people in Italy would, so in my country, a lot of people would agree
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that sometimes speed limits are a bit unrealistic. And so, yes, a speed limit exists, but I challenge
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you to drive on any road and find that the speed limit is more of like a technicality.
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Like if you tried, like, let's be honest, if you try to drive by the speed limit in
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Rome, there's going to be people honking at you all day.
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Yeah. You can do that. I mean, technically, the law is by your side if you do that. But
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in the practicality of the day to day life in Rome, you're going to have a bad time in
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traffic if you do that. And I'm not saying that that that breaking the law is right.
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I'm just saying what most people do. Right. Yeah. I mean, also the Discord. The Discord
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is currently giving me a taste of what my Twitter mentions are going to look like for
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the next few days, because people seem incensed that I even suggested such a thing. But it
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just stood out to me as like a little peculiarity, right? But I get it, like I completely understand
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what you're saying, but at the same time, it's just a little bit weird to me, Nick,
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you may have an actual emergency for which you need to, like, let's say you gotta go
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to the hospital very quickly, right? And so, yes, in theory, you're breaking the law if
00:45:58
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you go over the speed limit. But maybe if you know that there's an automated speed camera
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installed, you can be mindful of that just for those 30 seconds. Just a silly example,
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And then there's the whole question of are speed cameras actually legal?
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And there was a whole thing in Italy a few years ago where they needed to pass regulations
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for which you need to signal x kilometers before the camera that you will find a speed camera soon.
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And so we have all these signs on our roads saying starting now for the next 10 kilometers
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you're gonna find speed cameras. Because basically the government was fining people,
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and nobody was paying those speed tickets, basically. And so they passed regulations,
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because people were saying, "I was going over the limit because of X and Y reasons,
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so you can issue this speed ticket to me." It was a whole thing. So yeah, the speed camera situation
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is complicated, and it changes country by country. I guess the simple reality of it is, a lot of these
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services like Waze and back in the day there used to be like the TomTom thing, right?
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Yeah, poor TomTom.
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Yeah, it also had this feature like crowdsourced speed camera databases.
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Everybody's doing it, so I figured Apple said why not.
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Yeah, I think the thing that was peculiar to me is I was just like questioning the
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legality of such a thing. And because I mean I don't know right? I think it's I think it's
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weird that a company as big as Apple maybe is doing this in a very first party way. That's
00:47:47
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why it's strange as well because they only have three options. Yeah yeah. So one third
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of their options is help people get around speed limits or like you know and so yeah
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- Yeah, I just found that, it was just intriguing to me
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that this was one of the three that they added.
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When there are legitimately many more of these types
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of things that you could have,
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like Waze has loads of them.
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- Like what?
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- Well, you can have lots of things
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about issues with roads, right?
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Or you could have, I don't know, incorrect directions.
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I don't know.
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But anyway, nevertheless, how many there are,
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it just stood out to me.
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Maybe I'm terrible because I don't drive a car,
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So I don't understand how speed limits really work in the real world, but it just seemed
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weird to me.
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One iPhone has many sales.
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Many or mini.
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I can't pronounce those words differently.
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No, try again.
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Small is mini.
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More than few is mini.
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I can't, there's no difference.
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It's the same!
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His mouth cannot make that sound.
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Yeah, that's interesting.
00:49:08
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Okay, so are you feeling sad about this report, Steven?
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Let me talk about the report, and then I'll share my feelings.
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This was a report by JP Morgan analyst William Yang, who said that the smaller iPhone 12,
00:49:25
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especially the iPhone 12 mini has underperformed and it might lead to Apple
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stopping production in the second quarter. There was a report earlier
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like maybe even the end of last year that the 12 mini that Apple was slowing
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down that manufacturing line to adjust in the quarterly calls. A couple weeks
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ago Tim Cook said that the the iPhone cycle this time has been really
00:49:54
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driven by the 12 Pro and 12 Pro Max. People seem really excited about those.
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And I think you can add all this up and say that okay maybe the 12 mini is the
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worst selling of the new phones. In fact this report says that the iPhone 12 mini
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accounted for just 5% of overall sales of new iPhones in the US during the
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first half of January. Now I don't know why you picked the first half of January
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because people already bought all their phones for the holidays but it's the time that was
00:50:27
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sampled for this. But yeah, 12 mini may not be a big seller.
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Yeah, I mean there could be like a lot of reasons that January particularly could be
00:50:37
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tough but you know it's probably still approximate and also as well this isn't the first time
00:50:42
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we've heard this. I will ask you, 5% of sales, the iPhone 12 mini apparently, let's just
00:50:49
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assume that this is somewhat accurate. Are you surprised by this number? Does this seem
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unexpected? Like what would you both have imagined the makeup would look like percentage
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wise for the mini?
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I figured it would be the smallest selling but I didn't it 5% seems really low to me.
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Now there's the factors we already mentioned there's also the factor that TJ pointed out
00:51:12
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in the discord is that the iPhone SE 2 came out in the spring and there may have been
00:51:19
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a lot of people who would have done the 12 mini, but they were afraid there wasn't ever
00:51:23
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going to be a small iPhone again, so they went to the SE2 as a holdout against larger
00:51:29
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So maybe some of the potential 12 mini market is tied up in the SE2, but I can't imagine
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that's the reason people buy that phone.
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I mean, I don't know, right?
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Like I could imagine just like the argument for the SE is that it's the cheapest iPhone.
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it still has Touch ID that some people really want who don't want face ID. So the SE2 has
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a lot going for it and I think the overlap between the 12 mini and the SE2, like I think
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it's real but it's not one-to-one by any means. Federico do you have an expectation? Does
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five percent seem low? It seems low and I think this phone should go away. Oh. I don't
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think, I don't, this is one of those things where people think that they wanted a small
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phone and then when they actually get it they realize well this is now too small.
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This is good, this is good. So Steven within our next like two or three topics you have to
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say something that's gonna make people mad so start thinking about that because I have
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speed traps, Federico has small phones shouldn't exist so now you need to think so get working on
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that. Well we'll see where the wheel takes us. No I think there's a
00:52:43
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legitimate niche of people who want a small phone.
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I think it's a very small niche of people and their numbers
00:52:53
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seems to be a suggestion. And it's getting smaller. I mean again,
00:52:59
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pure anecdote, right, like a lot of this stuff is pure anecdote, but I know people
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in my life who always wanted small phones then they ended up getting a big
00:53:07
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phone and now wouldn't go back. Yeah, and I think the volume of articles and hot takes
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about small phones is... what's the word? When something is like the complete opposite of
00:53:24
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something else. Antithesis? No, there's an expression that I'm thinking of. Something
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like disproportionate or something. So basically the more people, like, a lot of people talk
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about it, nobody actually wants it. This is what I'm trying to say. Like, you see all
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these articles, all these stories, all these hot takes, and you think, "Oh, this is going
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to be popular," because so many people are talking about it. But in the real world...
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Yeah, "Finally, Apple have made a small phone! Finally!" Right? Like, that's all, you know...
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Finally, you say, "Finally, Apple has made a..." and then you hear podcasters saying,
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"Yes, there's going to be a small phone!" And you think, "Oh, there's all this discussion.
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This is going to be the hot new thing, and everybody's going to buy this phone." And
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And then you see these numbers and you realize maybe the world has moved on from small phones,
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which is not an attack on the small phone itself or the people who want one.
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It's just, don't be surprised.
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Because a lot of people have moved on, a lot of people want bigger phones because their
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phones are also their computers.
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And so they want to watch movies, they want to play games and all of that.
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And they want a long battery life as well.
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So it doesn't shock me.
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So my next question is, if these numbers are correct, do you think there will be another
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You think it might be one and done?
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iPhone 12 Mini and then iPhone 13 and there's three of them?
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I think maybe you're gonna see one this year, again.
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But that's gonna be it.
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And we're gonna go back to getting the SE model every few years.
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What do you think, Steven?
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Yes, thank you John Voorhis who reached out in the private iMessage.
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The expression I was looking for was inversely proportional to.
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Thank you John. That is English.
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He's an editor. One true John.
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Very good English, thank you John.
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One true John.
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Man, that's a good expression. Thanks John.
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So yeah, maybe this year we're gonna get the 13 mini.
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12 that's 14 that's a name 12 straight to 14 they're gonna skip 13
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iPhone 14 yeah, I don't think it would be a one-and-done. I could see Apple doing
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Count what Federico is suggesting where the mini gets an update and then maybe next time they redesigned the case
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They gets rid of it
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You know whether that be two years from now or three years from now whenever it may be
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there's maybe also a world where they do it this year and then
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like the mini and the SE kind of get folded into the same thing and the I it just becomes the iPhone mini and
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It is sort of a standalone thing and maybe they don't have to update it every year after that, but they sort of
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somehow take the
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more affordable phone and the small phone but with good tech and kind of
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Merge them somehow because it is a little weird that they've got the SE 2 and the mini
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and they they do compete pretty directly with each other at least for some
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shoppers so I don't know I don't think it'll be a one-and-done but is this
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gonna be a phone that we see from here on out is there going to be four new
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iPhones every year if that number is true and that number is consistent
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throughout the 12 minis lifecycle I don't know if Apple would keep that up
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five percent is not a lot of percent no but it is five percent of a ginormous
00:56:55
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And that's the balance. And so it is still a lot of phones but not percentage-wise.
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So like I feel like 5% for me while it's small is as you say because of the
00:57:08
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the absolute unit sales might make it worth it but I could imagine that they
00:57:14
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may say kind of like what Federico suggested let's give it another go we'll
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give it another year see what happens and then maybe we readjust what this
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product is in the lineup. Like, we will still want to sell it, but maybe we don't want to
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put the engineering effort in every year for one of these.
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I think something else to consider here is anytime there's a new phone design, so like
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with the iPhone X or now this cycle with the 12, people who are enthusiasts are always
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more likely to upgrade, period. In a year, right? But especially in a year where there's
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is a new design.
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And I just have to imagine that people who see
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the new design and say,
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"Okay, I'm gonna upgrade my phone this year,
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"even if I wouldn't have otherwise."
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They may be the same consumers who are drawn
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to something like the 12 Pro or the 12 Pro Max anyways.
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And so I wonder if this were year two or year three
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of the new hardware design,
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would the Mini be accounting for a larger percentage
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just because those people who jump on board early
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with a new design are sort of filtered out.
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I think part of this could be answered by the fact
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that this is your January numbers
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and the phone's been out for a couple of months,
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but I can't help but think that it would rise naturally
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over time as the enthusiasts kind of have what they want
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and maybe people who don't upgrade as often,
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who maybe still have a smaller phone,
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maybe they're still on something like an iPhone 7 or 8
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and they don't upgrade that often,
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just buy a phone when there's breaks or when it dies or whatever and they move
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to the 12 mini naturally over a longer period of time and so maybe your point
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Myke is is give another year and see what it does maybe it could end up being
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better for the mini year two or three in because of these other factors but again
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it's depending on the fact that the non-enthusiast customer wants the small
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phone and I don't know we don't know if that actually is true right I think it's
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an assumption that's made but I can just as easily make it the inverse assumption
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that like bigger phones seems like it's worth it to you you may already have a
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phone which is large right like if you if you're coming from like an iPhone 6
00:59:33
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the iPhone mini is physically smaller I mean you've lived with the iPhone 6 so
00:59:38
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maybe you just want to get a 12 I don't know we'll find out in a couple of years
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I guess if the iPhone mini still updated every year yeah if it goes away we know
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would happen. You know and I think like the original iPhone SE the people
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who have the mini are probably more likely to love their phone than people
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who have the others. Maybe the max maybe it's on either end the mini and the max
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and people in the middle maybe have slightly dampened feelings but I remember
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with the original SE when people hold on to that forever it was an iPhone 6s
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inside and people held on to it for a really long time because they were so in
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love with the form factor.
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And again, this is partially anecdotal
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'cause my wife has a 12 mini.
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She really loves it.
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I think people who are attracted to small phones
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and who want the size and portability,
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like that's the most important thing to them, right?
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And those other factors are maybe less important.
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And so I would guess that people who have the mini
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really love it and would be really sad
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to see Apple get rid of it, but time does move on
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and Apple has killed beloved products
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many, many times before.
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But I guess one of the main differences between the SE and the Mini is every time they've had an
01:00:49
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SE the stories are always that they can't keep them in stock, right? That always the demand is
01:00:55
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always too strong for the SE and that doesn't seem to have happened yet for the Mini. Well maybe if
01:01:01
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they scale down production a little bit that would even out, I mean who knows? So that's a complicated
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metric. Whatever it was, if this is the case, Apple thought it was going to do better than it has,
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we would assume. Yes, I think we can agree on that. Yeah. Four iPhones is so many new phones, I mean,
01:01:19
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it's bananas. I agree with the strategy, iPhones, like just do loads of them because it's how you
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continue to grow it if that's what you want to do. You've got to start leaning into the niches,
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but really there's only one niche that they're leaning into because people think the max is a
01:01:36
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niche and it is not like you know I think it's about time people realize
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that like there's a lot of thought like oh the max is big phone oh it's like
01:01:47
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just for people that want big phones no no no like the max drives a lot of these
01:01:52
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that like it's a big seller worldwide but it's like this blinkered view that
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it's a niche phone when it's not it's the best one.
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- Set the guy with the iPhone 12 Max.
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- What do you think?
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- Let's take an ad break.
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- Yeah, there you go.
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There we go, see he's done it again.
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He's gonna edit that out again.
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Topic number two, Twitter subscription rumored.
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What's going on here, Myke?
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According to a report from Bloomberg, Twitter is continuing to consider a subscription product.
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They've mentioned this before.
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I think it was on a recent earnings call that they were looking into it.
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there's also some job postings that came up and it seems like it's continuing.
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There's an internal team at Twitter called Rogue One, which is the team that's looking
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at the potential subscription options, according to this Bloomberg report.
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And they've got a few different things that they're considering, but the reason that they're
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doing this is kind of twofold.
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Apparently it's to lessen the reliance on advertising going forward and also to combat
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a slowing of new user growth.
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these two things kind of go together. They can't make more money in advertising if they're
01:04:56
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not bringing on enough new people. So there's five things that are listed in this article
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that are being considered currently. One is tipping. So if Federico has a really good
01:05:10
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tweet I could throw him $2 or whatever I guess. Like good tweet and then you give him a little
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coin or something. Which would be nice. I wouldn't mind that. I could imagine the animations
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being pretty cool, you know?
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You know, like maybe you, it's kind of like, I think of like Twitch here, like imagine
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you pay Twitter like $5 a month and you get a bunch of credits that you can then give
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to Twitter users, like a Reddit Gold or whatever, right?
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You could pay for exclusive content, so I don't know, something between like OnlyFans
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and a newsletter.
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I don't know.
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That's some, that's some, some crossover of content.
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You know, anything in between.
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But it's like, I don't know, if you want my hot takes, you've got to give me $5 a month
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for my hot takes.
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You just get tepid takes.
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All the hot takes are behind the pay wall, I suppose.
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They're considering charging for TweetDeck, which just makes so much sense.
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I don't know why they haven't done that already.
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TweetDeck is very much a company-focused app, right?
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It's like for social media managers.
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I don't know why they haven't done that already.
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called undo send which I literally have no idea what this means it's just
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deleting like I don't know what undo send is as a option for people that give
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you money I think it's just deleting which even in the official Twitter app
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doesn't work super well like you can delete a tweet but it's still like cashed
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for people who saw it already sometimes sometimes it's not so maybe it's just
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making that better yeah maybe I could imagine this being this like hey it's
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It's like the thing that, too terrific does this right?
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Where like you can press undo and all it does is just delete the tweet that you just sent
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and copy paste it back onto a new tweet window.
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It's like a kind of a hacky way but it might do something like that.
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And then enhanced profile customization, whatever that means.
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Yeah, I want to make it like my Myspace page from 10 years ago.
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Oh yeah, you could put your top 8 follows.
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I want to do that, I want to put all kinds of crazy stuff up there.
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could go there music starts playing yeah confetti starts falling from the page
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you've described my space like a geocities page of sorts also just my
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space but Twitter yeah so good man my space was the one true social network
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and it all started going to you know after that and it's like I remember I
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remember this I think we spoke about on the show but I saw this as a meme once
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and I loved it like Tom was just like the best founder he just sold out and
01:07:42
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disappeared right like he didn't try and take over the world or anything he doesn't care he didn't
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he didn't open a big campus you know with all kinds of facilities just cashed out retired i
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think he's like he's a photographer now he doesn't care yeah takes pictures of at the beach of the
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mountains so that's the life you're like i'm out this is this is terrible i'm off what have i done
01:08:07
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So, we have this list of things. What would make you want to pay for Twitter?
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Yeah, if I could mute specific kinds of people, like for example, people who interject when
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they're not necessarily part of a conversation, or people who make fun of your music choices,
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or people who have to ruin any good moment with a, well, actually, you know, like I,
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like I don't want to have specific, like if I could mute certain attitudes, that would
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be terrific. Like use some kind of natural language parsing or whatever, like mute certain
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sentiments. You do some sentiment analysis on tweets and like, Hey, do you want to mute
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angry people? Yes. You want to meet annoying people? Yes. Like that sort of thing. Is that
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possible? Like can I have a filter for annoying people?
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How would that work?
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I mean, with machine, like I'm only half joking. Sentiment analysis is a real thing.
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They have the quality filter, so you know.
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They have the quality filter for like curse words and that kind of stuff. Like more generic
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approach to, you know, I don't want folks who are gonna bother me in my
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mentions or in my timeline. So I would say, in a similar vein, I would love like
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mute filters or filters for tweets about a specific type of topic which doesn't
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include hashtags, right? So like I could just be like "no Super Bowl" and it just
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goes away, right? And, you know, it's not outside of the realm of possibility that
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you could have a decent go at that, right? Like, you know, you wouldn't be
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100% perfect, things would get caught up, things would slip through, but it's not
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an impossibility to do something like this. Just like certain words that are
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used or whatever, you know? So like it seems like something that is
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theoretically possible. Sentiment analysis is a thing that exists and would
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be of course tricky to implement but again not an impossibility. What would
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make you pay for Twitter, Steven? I mean I would like an ad free experience in
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the first party app but just be I'm fine with ads like it's not a big deal but
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thinking through other things like yeah I would like to be able to support
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creators or if I see something that I like or you know it's you see the thing
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pretty often where like people have a GoFundMe or something like better
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integration for that kind of stuff like that doesn't have to be paid but it's
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like Twitter could do so much more. The thing that blows me away about Twitter
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is they have the world's simplest social media network and they were the slowest
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to make changes to it and I understand that they've got complicated problems I
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mean they just kicked that guy off not too long ago but it just they seem so
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afraid of changing their product in any way. Myke, you texted us the other day
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that you, Twitter told you you'd been on the service for 14 years. Yeah. Imagine
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what Facebook was 14 years ago. Well I know what it was, I don't think it
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existed. Well like it was it was just for colleges or whatever point it was then.
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Yeah I was on it whenever it rolled out to my university, right? Very simple and
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very basic and it has basically nothing to do,
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it was better, it was much better.
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Basically nothing to do with what Facebook is now.
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And Twitter just, they just talk about this stuff.
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And I think if they offered a service
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that combined some of these things,
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I think some people would be interested in it.
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I think especially like news organizations
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and brands and that sort of thing.
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Like, yeah, build more things on top of Twitter,
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like TweetDeck or things like Buffer.
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There's other services out there.
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- There's also that newsletter thing
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that they just bought, right?
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- Review or something.
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- Yeah, implement that quickly and do it well
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because Substack exists on the back of Twitter, right?
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Like so many, like Twitter has these
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just catastrophic failings where businesses
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have supported themselves, like entire new industries
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on the back of Twitter with things Twitter should have done, right?
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Like Meerkat and then Periscope
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and then Twitter just swept
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like Meerkat's legs from under it and then couldn't capitalise.
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Right. And it's like, I don't understand this.
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These things happen like Substack is the one right now. Right.
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Everyone's creating these newsletters and they exist
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because people have Twitter followings and they promote their newsletter
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and they promote clips and then like little screenshots of some of the
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newsletter or whatever and then people sign up
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and it's like this entire business exists and like has grown
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from Twitter as a marketing tool but they should have done it
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Twitter is text right like this should have been a thing they did
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Here's a go!
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Up next, number six, iOS 14.5 and music services.
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We're finishing on the most boring one.
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The wheel has ruined everything.
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Okay, so I assume I'm gonna be talking about this one.
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This is all you, buddy.
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The internet discovered a few days ago that in the latest, in the beta of iOS 14.5,
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you can now set a different music streaming service, a different default
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music streaming service on your device. It's kind of broken right now, it's
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working for some, it's working for some apps. There's a few broken things that we
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need to mention. So in iOS and iPadOS 14.5 you can now do things like playing
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music via Spotify directly using Siri without having to say, for example, "in
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Spotify" as an additional part of the command. And you can do this in a couple
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of different ways. The way that I did it, which is not working for other people,
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but it did for me, I said to Siri "change my music streaming service" and it let me
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pick from a series of apps installed on my device. Now, it was kind of weird
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because it brought up a list of music players as well as podcast clients. So
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for example in the same list I had Spotify and Castro, YouTube, Amazon music
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and Overcast. Like it was a whole collection of things. When you pick one
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Siri will then say I need to access your Spotify data if I have to do this. You
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confirm that and then once you confirm that you can ask for anything. So you can
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search for songs, you can play playlists, you can play albums, you can shuffle playlists,
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and it just works. And it defaults to Spotify or whatever music streaming service you pick,
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and you don't have to say anything else. You just say "Play", for example, "Live Forever
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by Oasis", and it takes that from Spotify and it plays music. Really well done. The
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thing is, it is kind of weird right now, and it's beta 1, so I assume it's gonna get...
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going to clarify how this works by the final release. There's no way to do this without
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Siri. It's not like changing your default browser or your default email application
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in iOS 14, where you go to a page in Settings and you say, "This is my music app," for example,
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or "This is my podcast app." Right now, there's no page. You only do this with Siri. And it
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seems that the way that it works is your default becomes whatever you pick and give back, like
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the latest option, like the last option you choose, becomes your default. So then later
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if you say "play", I don't know, what's a good bet, "My Chemical Romance on Apple Music",
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then from that point on it's gonna default to Apple Music.
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So then if you just say "play Kings of Leon", it's gonna be Apple Music, right?
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But yes, so you can switch that with Siri, but there's no explicit way to go to settings
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and say, "Let me choose either Spotify or Apple Music." So whatever your last request
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is, for example, right now it's using Spotify for me. But then, if I say "Play Kings of
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Leon on Apple Music," it's gonna switch, and then my next request is gonna default to Apple
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Music. I think this is the way that it works right now. What's also kind of confusing is
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that both music players and podcast apps come up in the list, however, those two things
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are those two things are separate. I can also ask to play podcasts in Castro but
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play music in Spotify. So I think Apple is combining this for obvious reasons
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because Spotify has both music and podcasts and because both of these like
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these applications they fall under the audio domain and the media domain so I
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I get it, but you can split those.
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And right now I'm using Castro
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and you can request specific episodes
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and you can request like play the latest episode
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of Cortex, for example.
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And for me, it defaults to Castro to do that now.
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It's very cool.
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- Now they never announced this, right?
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- And here's my sort of a theory,
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but also like public discussion.
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I wanna hear from developers or folks who know about this.
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What I'm confused about right now is whether this is based on the same API that is available
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on the HomePod for third-party music streaming services or not. My theory is that this is based
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on standard, circuit media intents. On HomePod, there is an API for developers
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to become a compatible third-party music streaming service, and that is an API that talks directly
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to the music streaming service. Spotify is not part of that. Spotify, I believe at the moment,
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cannot be set as a default option on the HomePod, but it can be set up in iOS 14.5 beta. So I think
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the two technologies are different, like it's two different kinds of integrations. And what I think
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is happening right now is, and I say this because Castro works the same way, it's using the existing
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SiriKit support for media intents and it's simply letting you switch the default in Siri. So it's
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taking an existing API of iOS and allowing you to change the default in iOS 14.5. The fact that once
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Once you ask a few of these commands, you open the shortcuts app and you see Siri shortcuts
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for those commands is another indication that it is based on this system.
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So for example, right now if I open shortcuts and I search for Spotify, I'm going to see
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a Siri shortcut for "Play my Discover Weekly," which is one of the commands that I asked
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to Siri yesterday, and it's now a suggestion in the shortcuts app. So what I think is happening
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here is Apple is taking the existing API that they launched in iOS 12 or 13 for circuit
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media intents, and it's letting you change the default in Siri. What is also confusing
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right now is certain commands, like for example if you ask Spotify to like a song or to add
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a song to a playlist, it says Spotify hasn't added support for this feature yet. So it
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seems very in the early stages. My interpretation of this is that the HomePod integration and
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the iOS 14.5 integrations are different. I think it's all using the current
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circuit media API for iOS and iPadOS and it's letting you change the default in a
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kind of confusing way because you have to do this in Siri. There is no page in
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settings to say Castro is my podcast player and Spotify is my music player.
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You have to configure everything via voice, which makes sense, but also I wish
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there was a more like official and visual way. Does it make sense what I described?
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It's kind of confusing.
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No, I get it. It seems that what's happening is it's using the surrogate system. And to
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be on the HomePod, even if it is using the surrogate system, it's almost like CarPlay
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where you have to get Apple to say, yes, you're allowed to do this, right? Like no one can
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just rock up and be the default music provider on HomePod for whatever reason. They've made
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this kind of thing where you have to be able to work directly with Apple to have access
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to this where I believe SiriKit is just a thing that you can implement provided that
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you're an app within one of the categories that's listed.
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But the thing that is intriguing to me is like, so Apple announced two things over the
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last year or so.
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It was email and web browsers you could set as third parties and that you would be able
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I have third parties on HomePod. But this idea of choosing your music service and podcast service
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on the iPhone, I don't recall that ever being spoken about until now. And Apple isn't even
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talking about it. People have just found it. This isn't in anything that 14.5 to this point
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is even suggesting is a thing you can do, right? So it's intriguing here because it's like,
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why is it happening now and what are they gonna do about it?
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Like, what are they doing about it?
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What is it for?
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That's why I can't get my head around.
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- The thing in the background of all this is antitrust,
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right, like, oh, you can only use Apple's smart system
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with Apple's media services.
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And this has been a big complaint of Spotify and others.
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I mean, if they just opened the door,
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they announce it, or even if they don't announce it,
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it takes pressure off from that angle.
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I could see a world where Spotify doesn't announce it either though.
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Like they, they like arguing with Apple,
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but given that it already seems to work,
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they've already done work for this to work.
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I think it's just going to roll out into the world and someone will announce it
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at some point and then people will be happy.
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What I think is also interesting here.
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This is actually something that I was trying to look for it.
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I am 100% certain that we made this very specific argument on connected a couple
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of years ago, where we said, "Wouldn't it be interesting if Apple allowed you to change
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default apps, but only in the context of Siri? Like, change my default in Siri." And this
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is what they're doing now with music players and podcast apps, right? But if you are using,
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in fact, the existing SiriKit integration, and you're just changing the default, why
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Why not do that for all the other SiriKit domains?
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So Todoist, for example, it's using the Todo and List API.
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Wouldn't it be nice if I could switch the default reminder application from reminders
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Similarly, for note-taking, there's a SiriKit domain for note-taking.
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You could switch your default note-taking app from notes to, I don't know, craft or
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Once you do this for music and podcasts, and if you are in fact using that API, why not
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do that for all the other circuit domains?
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So what's so special about audio?
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I mean, arguably it's going to be even easier to do that for like to-do apps and note-taking
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There's fewer ramifications involved for those apps.
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There's less libraries to get used to and all that kind of stuff.
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And I mean, in this case Spotify, what you're doing is you're querying an application, you're
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saying search for this song from this artist and then return the song. It's more complicated,
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right? So I think at this point, if you're going to do that for music and podcasts, you
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should do it for all kinds of circuit integrations from note-taking, to-do apps, what else is
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there. Sending money, right? There's a SiriKit domain for payments. So you could change your
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default from Apple Pay to Vemmo or something. Is there one for messaging? Yes, there is
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one for messaging. So I wonder, like, has a lid been lifted here? And will we soon be
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able to change all kinds of defaults in Siri? With SiriKit. It's interesting, we'll see.
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Meanwhile, I also want to mention real quick something that Spotify is doing.
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We talked about Spotify a few weeks ago regarding my switch from Apple Music, and I said that
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the single feature that I miss the most from Apple Music is real-time lyrics, and it seems
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like Spotify is finally rolling out this functionality.
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It's been available in 20-something countries for a while, but not in any of the big markets,
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and specifically not in the US.
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So as of yesterday, Spotify has expanded its "limited beta test", as they call it, of
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live lyrics to some users in the United States.
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And this is kind of a strange story.
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Spotify used to have a deal with an Italian company called Musix Match, that does real-time
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lyrics a few years ago.
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And real-time lyrics used to be available in Spotify on desktop, I believe, via... powered
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by Music's Match. Then their deal expired, and now they have a new deal, and Music's
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Match is going to power real-time lyrics in Spotify again, including on mobile devices.
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So it looks, the way that it works on iOS and I assume on Android, you will get this
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new UI in the Now Playing screen, and you will be able to swipe across from the Now
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playing sort of from the cover art to the animated cover art, which is called Canvas
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in Spotify. And the third tab will be lyrics. And these will be live, real-time lyrics,
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sort of like in Apple Music, that follow the song you're listening to.
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Turns out, Music's Match powers Apple Music's lyrics, they say on their website.
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Not completely. I think Apple is also doing a lot of like in-house lyrics.
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Right, but they're at least using their data. Instagram uses it. And hey Federico, MusicSmatch
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is an Italian company.
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I just told you that. It's an Italian company.
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Sorry, I was reading it and must have mis- not heard you. I apologize.
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It's based in Bologna. I know the founder. They're really good guys.
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I was too busy looking it up and surprised.
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It's one of the few Italian success stories that I really appreciate. Yeah. I absolutely
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cannot wait for this. I don't have access to it yet, unfortunately, even though I have
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my, you know, US account. And even though I try to log in with a VPN, set to Chicago,
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pretending once again to be John Voorhees on the internet.
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We've all been there.
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We've all impersonated John once or twice.
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Our music match works with everyone.
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Huh. Cool company.
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I think they also powered the deal when you like ripped a CD in iTunes and it pulled the
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track listing. I think that was the same company. And there's a Music Smash app which you can use
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right now for... but it's a standalone app. If you're listening to Spotify and you open Music
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Smash on your phone, you will see the current Spotify song you're listening to. However,
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it's kind of like... the Music Smash app is trying to do too many things at once. Like,
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they have a social component and they have a crowdsourced lyrics component. Like, I don't
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don't really care about any of that stuff, I just want to see real-time lyrics in my
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music player, so I'm looking forward to getting this beta test eventually or the official
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rollout. It's even like... if once they do this, all of my... the majority of my concerns
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surrounding the switch from Apple Music to Spotify will be set aside, I think I'm really
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really missing lyrics in my music player. So hopefully soon, hopefully this year.
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I would like to read the list of founders, their names, because there's just a great
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selection of names. Very beautiful Italian names. Massimo Ciocciola.
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Ciocciola, yes, I know him.
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Gianluca D'Elicari. Valero Paolini.
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Francesco Delfino and Giuseppe Constantino. Giuseppe, not Giuseppe. Sorry, Giuseppe Constantino.
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That's the most Italian sounding to me. Yeah, Giuseppe Constantino. It's very Italian sounding.
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It's like he walked out of a sitcom or something. It's an incredibly Italian name. It's a very
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Italian name. Constantino is a really good last name. What does it mean? Well, it's from
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the Roman Emperor right that's what it means right it means I'm a Roman Emperor
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well it means you're what's the the objective Imperial is that is that an
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objective I don't know you're of Imperial descent I don't know it turns
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out according to robot MLG in the discord iTunes used grace note I'm sorry
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I was wrong yes Grayson the Grayson is it's match was founded in 2010 I didn't
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to be the one to have to tell you that. You were just gonna leave me hanging out there for feedback
01:30:42
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all week? It was too late at that point. I didn't have the answer either way but I assumed it wasn't
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correct because it was 2010. You've yet to anger the listeners yet so I know you've got to work on
01:30:53
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that in our final topic the barn burner topic. Let me spin the wheel and see what it says.
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Don't spin the wheel there's no need to spin the wheel.
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Number three! All right, topic number three. Apple has opened a repair extension program for a select
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number of MacBook Pros with battery issues, which is a real bummer if you have one of these.
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So these are 2016 and some 2017 MacBook Pros. The battery won't charge past one percent,
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which is not enough of a percentage to have.
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The battery will also report that service is recommended
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in the battery when you borrow them.
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Yeah, no kidding.
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The real smarts in that battery.
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Does it actually not charge, or is it just reporting?
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So here's what's weird about this, OK?
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So I'm going to read a little bit from this page,
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because trying to figure out what happened here
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is difficult.
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If your 2016 or 17 MacBook Pro exhibits these behaviors,
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contact Apple to get your battery replaced free of charge.
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Your computer will be examined prior to service
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to verify it is eligible for the free battery replacement.
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And normally what happens if you've paid for this
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in the past and you go to Apple,
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normally they'll waive it or figure something out.
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Here's the next paragraph from Apple.
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Apple has also released a macOS update
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that prevents this issue from happening
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to other 2016 and 17 MacBook Pro computers.
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Please update to macOS Big Sur 11.2.1
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or install the Catalina 10.15.7 supplemental update.
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- Yeah, so with software killing these batteries?
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- How is that possible?
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If it's happened to you, the only way to have it fixed
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is to have the battery replaced.
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- Right, but if you update,
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it shouldn't happen to you in the future.
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- I know for years Apple has done adaptive charging
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on their batteries, so there's a little controller
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that sits between the battery and the system and says,
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this is the battery level in all the cells
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and then it cuts off charging or reduces charging,
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all these different things, right,
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to try to protect battery life.
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I think that came out in the first unibody,
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like 17-inch MacBook Pro.
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Whatever the first one was with the battery sealed in,
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this was part of the trade-off.
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So maybe something in macOS
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or I guess it's got to be Mac OS or maybe firmware somehow
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cooked a small percentage of these batteries
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where the system won't let them charge past 1%
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and then it's fixed in this.
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But these machines, some of them are now five years old,
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I'm like four and a half years old.
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So like what happened that some of these batteries
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got stuck with this problem?
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It's very strange, very strange.
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Just another thing to add on to these beloved computers.
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Yeah, right.
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It's like a footnote on a terrible era.
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Get my head around...
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I can't get my head around this.
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What must have happened?
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I guess it's not the battery that's the problem.
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It's like the system can't read it.
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And so it's just doing weird stuff.
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I don't understand it.
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It's very weird.
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I see this battery health thing a lot, or whatever they call it.
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because I keep my mac pro plugged in a number of times so it's never charged.
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Or it's like you see it on AirPods now too right where it's trying to like make sure that it doesn't
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charge too much because even like little AirPods to make sure that the battery is lost. Yeah.
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I think Apple has gone all in on that after those issues that they had with the battery stuff.
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So I would say if you're running a machine that's covered by this and you're on Catalina or Big Sur
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Go to software update and save your batteries life.
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That's wild.
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It really, really unusual.
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One percent.
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I mean, I'm sure it's terrible if you have this happen,
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but it's kind of funny to think about what possibly went wrong.
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If this has happened to you, you're listening as this happened to you.
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I want to know, does like does the machine stay on, but stay at one percent?
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For like an hour, right?
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Or does it just die immediately? Yeah.
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Right, like is it only charging 1% or does the system think it's only 1% so it won't
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stop screaming at you but it will keep running?
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I mean Apple says that the battery, an issue with the battery not charging past 1% so my
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guess is it would just die very quickly.
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Right it's not the indication it's the actual fact that it will not charge.
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I bet it has something to do with that charging management they do.
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But anyways, runs off for update.
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we finish after that absolutely incredible end to the show. Thank you for disrupting
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the order as you did. You've yet to take the pledge of angering listeners.
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I'm a man of the people.
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Well you're not going to do it. You're going to leave me and Federico just out there.
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What should I say?
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I don't know. You've got some kind of unpopular opinion.
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Each of you give me several examples of things that could make people mad and I'll pick from
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one of them.
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Oh that's good. Yeah that's very smart. Yeah nice try. I can't believe you're just going
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leave us. This is betrayal. Is it? Federico, do you feel betrayed? Yes. Do you see how sad he is?
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That's Si. Of all people who could have betrayed me, you know, this one I was not expecting. Yeah,
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it was your fiance. Babe. I forgot that you two got engaged during this episode. I'm already
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texting my lawyer and filing for divorce and asking for a really, really chunky settlement.
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You're only engaged!
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All right, all right, you're gonna get, you're gonna get 18 power books is what you're gonna get.
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Yeah, man, it would suck to get half of your estate.
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I know you got your secret stash of cash in your home studio, Walter White.
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I'm onto you, don't worry about it.
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I'm gonna do my thing. So if you want to find links to stuff we spoke about, they are over on the website at relay.fm/connected/332.
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While you're there, I'll just point out that there are some buttons at the top of the page where you can join
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And like all Relay FM memberships comes with a bunch of cool perks, including member-only podcasts
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a member of Connected Pro.
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And you'll find out why Steven's going to be encased in ice for eternity.
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That's right. That was the topic today.
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And it's what we spoke about.
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You can find us all out on the open internet. You can find Federico on Twitter @vitiicci,
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he's the editor-in-chief of backstories.net. Federico, I have a question for you.
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If you were to be absorbed by Kirby, what power would Kirby gain?
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This is not from your usual list of questions.
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No, it's not. This is handcrafted.
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Can you imagine if this was in the list?
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What is my power? I think that's...
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Yeah, did you say... Discord's picking this up. Did you say backstories?
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Editor-in-chief of backstories.net
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of backstories.net
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I heard backstories and the Discord has
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exploded into backstories
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Say backstories?
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I thought that it must have been a Skype
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What is backstories?
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You said backstories!
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It's actually a very good name for a
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for like a website
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that tells you the backstories of what we do. In any case, what would my power, like, what is my
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power? So, Kirby, if it were to absorb me, would gain the power of... I don't know, what would it gain, like,
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really good headphones? Or... Is that your power? No, I guess my... It would... I don't know, what is my power?
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Kirby would start, you know,
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completing all the levels of the video games via automation, maybe?
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The power of automating things?
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The power of... Steven, it would gain the power of love.
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That's the power Kirby would get from me.
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Huey Lewis sang about.
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Backstories.net is taken. That's a bummer.
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I was gonna buy it and redirect it to John's Twitter account. Ian had a really good suggestion. Kirby would have a beard, tattoos, and he would be very passionate.
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Very passionate.
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Gain the power of passion. That's not love. It's passion, man.
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It's passion.
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Yes, I take back and I accept Ian's suggestion.
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Passion of pics.
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Beard, tattoos, and passion.
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Passion pics.
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Alright, that's good. You can find Myke on Twitter as @imyke. Myke is on Twitch doing
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a bunch of keyboard stuff. Twitch.tv/mikehurley.
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Yeah, Myke.live.
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Nice and easy.
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Doesn't even sound like a website. But it is a website.
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I know, but it is.
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Myke.live. Myke hosts a bunch of other shows here on Relay FM as well, so go check out
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all of those.
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You can find me on Twitter and Twitch as ISMH.
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I'm booing you now.
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Why are you booing me?
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You betrayed us in this episode, so now I'm going to boo you through your entire talk
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about yourself.
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Federico, will you join me when he starts doing it again to boo him, please?
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Carry on, Steven.
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You can find me writing on phytophixles.net.
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Mutiny and you will see what what's happening here. Yeah with me and Myke. Yeah, we're done. We're tired of your misspelled mutiny
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Yes mutiny is a revolt among a group of people to oppose change or overthrow an organization to which they were previously loyal
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That sounds about right. I'd like to thank our sponsors this week hover and Mack Weldon until next week
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guys say goodbye. Adiós,