Connected

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00:00:02 ◼   ► - Hello and welcome to Connected, episode 342.

00:00:12 ◼   ► It's made possible this week by our sponsors,

00:00:15 ◼   ► Fitbod, ExpressVPN, and StoryWorth.

00:00:18 ◼   ► My name is Stephen Hackett

00:00:19 ◼   ► and I'm joined by Mr. Federico Vittucci.

00:00:21 ◼   ► - Hello, Stephen.

00:00:22 ◼   ► Hi, how are you?

00:00:23 ◼   ► - Hello, it is Friday and it's weird, but we're here.

00:00:27 ◼   ► - Very true.

00:00:28 ◼   ► - We're also joined by Myke Hurley,

00:00:29 ◼   ► who is always introduced correctly and on time.

00:00:31 ◼   ► - Yep, we've gotta get down today, haven't we?

00:00:33 ◼   ► - Yes, gotta get down on Friday.

00:00:36 ◼   ► ♪ It's Friday, Friday ♪

00:00:38 ◼   ► ♪ Gotta get down on Friday ♪

00:00:40 ◼   ► - Oh my God, how many years ago was that song?

00:00:42 ◼   ► - Couldn't even tell you.

00:00:44 ◼   ► - I would say 10, all right?

00:00:47 ◼   ► - Gotta get down on Friday.

00:00:48 ◼   ► - Rebecca Black.

00:00:49 ◼   ► - Was released in 2011.

00:00:51 ◼   ► - Oh my God.

00:00:52 ◼   ► - Exactly 10 years.

00:00:53 ◼   ► - It's 10 years ago.

00:00:54 ◼   ► - February 10th, 2011, so almost,

00:00:56 ◼   ► I mean, you just missed it by a few months.

00:00:58 ◼   ► Oh man, can you imagine if it was today?

00:01:00 ◼   ► Like, how exciting that would have been if it was today.

00:01:03 ◼   ► She's back though, right?

00:01:05 ◼   ► Like, I think I saw this recently.

00:01:07 ◼   ► She's releasing music again.

00:01:09 ◼   ► Sometimes I wonder, like, and maybe this is one of the future Pro topics

00:01:13 ◼   ► for Connected Pro members.

00:01:15 ◼   ► Myke, where can people sign up for Connected Pro?

00:01:18 ◼   ► GetConnectedPro.co

00:01:20 ◼   ► Perfect. But sometimes I think about, like, and I kinda, I don't know,

00:01:23 ◼   ► maybe it should be like a TV show, maybe it should be a podcast, like,

00:01:26 ◼   ► what happened to like people who were quote unquote famous, I think about this a lot,

00:01:33 ◼   ► or like a meme for a while and then disappeared. Like I think about this a lot, especially

00:01:39 ◼   ► in the context of what, what are they doing now? What did they, I think that's the thing,

00:01:44 ◼   ► isn't it? What are they doing now? How did they use their money or temporary celebrity

00:01:49 ◼   ► status? And I also think about this a lot in the, in the context of the damn Daniel

00:01:55 ◼   ► guys. What is he doing now? I bet they just got a YouTube channel or something. I think

00:02:00 ◼   ► more of this about not so much the meme people but like musicians who had like three good

00:02:07 ◼   ► songs. Okay, so I gotta be honest with you. Right, what do you do next? Okay, so a few

00:02:12 ◼   ► months ago I was driving with Silvia and I was thinking about this again and I told her

00:02:16 ◼   ► you know what I would love to do at some point someday in the future when I have more free

00:02:19 ◼   ► time, like a show that is entirely about like every episode is a single song from an artist

00:02:26 ◼   ► that just had that famous song.

00:02:29 ◼   ► So one hit wonders.

00:02:30 ◼   ► Exactly.

00:02:31 ◼   ► A show about one hit wonders.

00:02:33 ◼   ► And I just think that's such a fascinating topic.

00:02:36 ◼   ► Like just talking to these people and asking them, how do you feel about being a one hit

00:02:44 ◼   ► wonder?

00:02:45 ◼   ► Because on the one hand, you think about it, it maybe kind of sucks, right?

00:02:48 ◼   ► everybody just knows you because you did that song, but also on the other hand I

00:02:54 ◼   ► would say how like it's not like everybody can be known globally for a

00:03:00 ◼   ► song so you're still pretty fortunate if you think about it. I don't know if people

00:03:05 ◼   ► really look at that and think they feel fortunate because you always want to

00:03:09 ◼   ► continue it right? Anyway if this is the kind of conversation that you enjoy

00:03:15 ◼   ► - Anyway.

00:03:16 ◼   ► - There's a lot more of it available for you

00:03:18 ◼   ► at getconnectedpro.co.

00:03:19 ◼   ► These are the exact kind of conversations that we have

00:03:22 ◼   ► that the three of us like to have,

00:03:24 ◼   ► but then Apple get in the way

00:03:25 ◼   ► and we can't have those conversations.

00:03:26 ◼   ► So that's, we have to actually talk about other stuff today.

00:03:29 ◼   ► - We do, but we've got to start with some follow up.

00:03:31 ◼   ► Just two quick things.

00:03:33 ◼   ► The first is related to the studio doc, Federico,

00:03:37 ◼   ► that you reviewed a couple of weeks ago.

00:03:40 ◼   ► You still have it, I guess, on your desk?

00:03:42 ◼   ► - It's still here, looking at me.

00:03:44 ◼   ► Yes. How does the new iPad Pro, how's that going to work with it?

00:03:48 ◼   ► Well, it's not clear at the moment because the new iPad Pro is half a

00:03:55 ◼   ► millimeter thicker than the previous generation model.

00:03:58 ◼   ► Will it fit the Studio Doc?

00:04:00 ◼   ► Who knows, right? I don't have an iPad Pro yet.

00:04:05 ◼   ► And even if I did, I at this point, I guess I shouldn't tell you.

00:04:09 ◼   ► But I don't know at the moment.

00:04:11 ◼   ► But I really do not have one, by the way.

00:04:13 ◼   ► But anyway, I don't know. My theory is that there may be some issues here, guys, because

00:04:21 ◼   ► it was already like a tight fit before, and I wonder if 0.5 millimeters is enough to to cause

00:04:30 ◼   ► some incompatibility problems with this thing, especially with the connector that

00:04:37 ◼   ► attaches to the iPad Pro. Obviously, the StudioDock is an expensive device,

00:04:42 ◼   ► and Kensington was the maker of this accessory. They don't sell any replacement parts

00:04:50 ◼   ► to say if you have a new generation iPad Pro, get this different attachment, for example.

00:04:56 ◼   ► I don't know. We'll see when we have the new iPad Pro. I'm not feeling good about it,

00:05:04 ◼   ► personally, because I know that it was already a tight fit before. And again, 0.5 millimeters,

00:05:10 ◼   ► though, I mean, it's a very small difference, but apparently it was enough of a difference to cause

00:05:18 ◼   ► issues with the older generation Magic Keyboard made by Apple. We just saw today that the Magic

00:05:25 ◼   ► Keyboard they released last year, so that if you bought a Magic Keyboard in 2020, you will not be

00:05:31 ◼   ► able to use it with the new generation iPad Pro.

00:05:35 ◼   ► This is sad stuff.

00:05:36 ◼   ► Which is unfortunate news for a $350...

00:05:40 ◼   ► Yeah, because your $1100 iPad just became a $1500 iPad!

00:05:47 ◼   ► Uh oh!

00:05:50 ◼   ► Which is a bit unfortunate.

00:05:51 ◼   ► Now is that because of the thickness?

00:05:53 ◼   ► Is that because of a difference in the camera cut out?

00:05:56 ◼   ► I would say it's thickness.

00:05:57 ◼   ► I bet it's the thickness.

00:05:58 ◼   ► Because it closes completely, doesn't it?

00:06:02 ◼   ► So if it's thicker, it's probably not going to fit.

00:06:05 ◼   ► Which is really sad and unfortunate because it just came out.

00:06:09 ◼   ► As Zach in the Discord is saying, you can use it as long as you don't close it.

00:06:13 ◼   ► I mean, sure.

00:06:14 ◼   ► That's not a bad point.

00:06:16 ◼   ► Sure.

00:06:17 ◼   ► If you want to be, you know, hashtag productivity mode all the time, just leave it open right

00:06:22 ◼   ► there without closing it.

00:06:24 ◼   ► it's just like using a laptop as a desktop computer.

00:06:29 ◼   ► It is.

00:06:30 ◼   ► It's rough.

00:06:31 ◼   ► It's rough.

00:06:32 ◼   ► Now it will be even worse for the studio doc though.

00:06:36 ◼   ► Yes, definitely worse for Kensington than Apple, I think.

00:06:40 ◼   ► Yes, yes.

00:06:41 ◼   ► We'll see.

00:06:42 ◼   ► I'll let you guys know.

00:06:43 ◼   ► I just want to say, this was the thing that we said at the time, right?

00:06:48 ◼   ► it seemed like a real bad idea to release a product seemingly weeks before a new iPad.

00:06:55 ◼   ► And that if you bought that product, you were asking for trouble because I think the type

00:07:00 ◼   ► of person that would buy that product would buy this new iPad.

00:07:04 ◼   ► Right?

00:07:05 ◼   ► And I tried my best to tell everyone that.

00:07:08 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:07:09 ◼   ► I feel like anybody that would spend the money on that thing is very like, uh, early adoptery,

00:07:18 ◼   ► right?

00:07:19 ◼   ► Yes.

00:07:21 ◼   ► And this new iPad actually has some cool stuff going on.

00:07:24 ◼   ► We'll talk about it later that I think you would go in for it.

00:07:28 ◼   ► So iOS 14.5 comes out next week.

00:07:32 ◼   ► Do we know when?

00:07:33 ◼   ► Nope.

00:07:35 ◼   ► OK, so sometime next week.

00:07:37 ◼   ► So next week's episode will feature the condensed 2021

00:07:41 ◼   ► Jeremy's.

00:07:42 ◼   ► Unless, well, are we going to do it anyways?

00:07:45 ◼   ► What if 14.5 comes out on Thursday?

00:07:47 ◼   ► I think we do the Jeremy's either way. We'll do it anyway. Because they have to have 14.5

00:07:52 ◼   ► out before air tax starts showing up for people. So I guess it'll be maybe Thursday at the

00:07:57 ◼   ► latest. We do have a topic we want to get into a couple little topics before we get

00:08:02 ◼   ► into judging the Ricky's. And the first is Apple podcast subscriptions. You probably

00:08:10 ◼   ► have heard by now, many of your favorite podcasts are discussing this. So we're not gonna tell

00:08:14 ◼   ► Thank you. We're not going to tell you what this is because you probably know by now.

00:08:19 ◼   ► I'm only really talking about it because I just want to say something about it, especially

00:08:23 ◼   ► because me and Steven are both here together. We're still kind of looking over everything.

00:08:30 ◼   ► I think right now we still can't actually get access to the new Podcast Connect tool

00:08:37 ◼   ► because of some bugs that have been going on with Apple Podcasts. By the way, if you

00:08:41 ◼   ► haven't been able to find any relay FM shows in Apple podcasts over the last

00:08:44 ◼   ► few days should be coming back to life now. My kind of feeling on this is that

00:08:49 ◼   ► ultimately this whole podcast descriptions thing feels like a pretty

00:08:55 ◼   ► decent solution for people who have really large audiences in Apple podcasts

00:09:01 ◼   ► already. So if you have like you know if like 70 80 percent or 60 percent even of

00:09:08 ◼   ► your audience is using Apple podcasts, this feels like a pretty decent solution for you.

00:09:15 ◼   ► The tools that they have are quite impressive. There are some parts of it that would be tricky,

00:09:21 ◼   ► like you have to upload your audio to a different place, it has to be a WAV file so there can't

00:09:24 ◼   ► be chapters in it and all that kind of stuff. But the way that they're doing some of the

00:09:30 ◼   ► behind the scenes stuff is really cool, I think. I actually think it's quite clever.

00:09:34 ◼   ► the sense of if you subscribe, you don't have to subscribe to a separate show. You just

00:09:40 ◼   ► subscribe and now you get the ad-free content all in the same place as the non-ad-free content

00:09:46 ◼   ► show, for example. The implementation of it is clever. There obviously are some things

00:09:51 ◼   ► that I would do differently or that Federico would do differently or Steven would do differently

00:09:55 ◼   ► if we were in charge. But I think ultimately this is, I feel, about as good a solution

00:10:02 ◼   ► as I could have imagined Apple doing.

00:10:04 ◼   ► Right, because there's obviously going to be exclusivity.

00:10:09 ◼   ► Like it seems kind of wild to me that people are upset that Apple aren't

00:10:13 ◼   ► allowing this stuff to be consumed in third party apps.

00:10:17 ◼   ► Like I don't really know what you would have expected.

00:10:21 ◼   ► Right. To like think that Apple would provide a solution for you to pay them

00:10:28 ◼   ► and listen to the connected pro feed if we did it in Castro.

00:10:33 ◼   ► Like that doesn't make any sense for Apple's business.

00:10:37 ◼   ► Like they want you in Apple podcasts.

00:10:40 ◼   ► Of course they do, why wouldn't they?

00:10:42 ◼   ► Because there are already so many tools available

00:10:45 ◼   ► to do that exact thing, why would Apple do that?

00:10:48 ◼   ► You would use one of like previous sponsor

00:10:51 ◼   ► but we use them member for,

00:10:53 ◼   ► or there's like things like supporting cost and Patreon.

00:10:56 ◼   ► So Apple wouldn't create that, right?

00:10:58 ◼   ► They're gonna create something that works well in their ecosystem

00:11:01 ◼   ► that they can control.

00:11:02 ◼   ► Because Plus as well, with what they're doing,

00:11:05 ◼   ► it wouldn't work as well

00:11:06 ◼   ► if you were trying to listen to another app, right?

00:11:08 ◼   ► Like it sends us a different thing.

00:11:10 ◼   ► What I like is that this,

00:11:14 ◼   ► I think that the terms, I don't like the 30%.

00:11:17 ◼   ► I think it should be 15.

00:11:18 ◼   ► I don't really know how they could justify 30%

00:11:20 ◼   ► because Apple are not bringing the customers

00:11:24 ◼   ► even in the same way that they would for the app store

00:11:26 ◼   ► for as much as that could be argued.

00:11:28 ◼   ► You know, people pay for podcasts because they enjoy the podcasts that they're

00:11:32 ◼   ► listening to. So that's why you support the show and you want the extra content

00:11:37 ◼   ► because you've already built a relationship.

00:11:39 ◼   ► I just don't really feel like Apple is involved in it all.

00:11:42 ◼   ► But what I do like is that the rest of their terms are, I think, much more

00:11:50 ◼   ► realistic than we've seen from no other places.

00:11:52 ◼   ► And then I would have expected like, for example, you can still

00:11:56 ◼   ► continue having a membership program outside of Apple podcasts even if you opt in to the

00:12:03 ◼   ► Apple podcast subscription solution. So you could run them concurrently, you can choose to charge

00:12:09 ◼   ► whatever you want, and you know it's up to you how you want to manage the content, which is not at all

00:12:16 ◼   ► what we've seen in the app store. And I think even calling it a membership program is not

00:12:22 ◼   ► Right, like Apple's MO is to open a store and that's what they've done.

00:12:28 ◼   ► And you can, so you can sell content there, but it's not, I don't think it's full featured

00:12:32 ◼   ► enough to be a membership program that a lot of people would really consider to be on par

00:12:39 ◼   ► with what you can get elsewhere.

00:12:42 ◼   ► I think there's a reason Apple didn't call it a membership feature membership program

00:12:46 ◼   ► that it is just a subscription.

00:12:49 ◼   ► And yes, that's kind of how companies like ours structure our membership, but it can

00:12:54 ◼   ► also just be for stuff you just want to sell.

00:12:56 ◼   ► You can just use it like a store if you wanted to.

00:12:59 ◼   ► Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:13:01 ◼   ► You can have just pure paid podcasts that don't have a free component at all.

00:13:07 ◼   ► Look, Relay FM, as I say, we're still looking into this, but we already have our solution

00:13:12 ◼   ► and it's been working really great for us.

00:13:14 ◼   ► And it seems to be basically impossible to replicate what we've been doing with Apple

00:13:18 ◼   ► podcast subscriptions. Right because there isn't a way to have discord and

00:13:23 ◼   ► all that kind of like you can't do that it doesn't work. Yeah because we don't if

00:13:26 ◼   ► you if you go through Apple podcast subscription it's just like the App

00:13:30 ◼   ► Store right like Marco doesn't know who does or doesn't own a copy of Overcast

00:13:35 ◼   ► because that's private and Apple doesn't share that with developers it's the same

00:13:39 ◼   ► thing here so if we were to do this and you joined connected Pro and Apple

00:13:46 ◼   ► podcast subscriptions we would have no way of knowing who you are to get you

00:13:51 ◼   ► into discord and get you the newsletter and other things that we already offer

00:13:54 ◼   ► so it's it's incomplete and I think that it's very unlikely for Apple to add that

00:14:01 ◼   ► sort of thing to this because again a they may not be able to because I'm sure

00:14:06 ◼   ► it's just built on the same store infrastructure they use for everything

00:14:08 ◼   ► but - like that's just against their stance on privacy and I respect that and

00:14:14 ◼   ► And as a consumer in the Apple ecosystem, I like that.

00:14:18 ◼   ► But creators do want access to those email addresses

00:14:22 ◼   ► for legitimate reasons.

00:14:24 ◼   ► And I don't think Apple's going to play ball with that.

00:14:27 ◼   ► No.

00:14:28 ◼   ► And there is that question of whose customer are they?

00:14:32 ◼   ► Yeah, they're Apple's.

00:14:34 ◼   ► We consider our members our customers, but Apple doesn't.

00:14:40 ◼   ► and that's why they keep that information for themselves.

00:14:44 ◼   ► So we'll probably talk about this more in the future,

00:14:47 ◼   ► but I know that if we didn't talk about this today,

00:14:50 ◼   ► people would have asked for it

00:14:51 ◼   ► or thought that we weren't talking about it

00:14:53 ◼   ► for some reason, right?

00:14:55 ◼   ► But basically it's like,

00:14:57 ◼   ► we don't have access to all the tools yet,

00:14:59 ◼   ► so we can't fully assess it.

00:15:00 ◼   ► But what we've seen so far is like,

00:15:02 ◼   ► this is a option for people,

00:15:06 ◼   ► but I don't think it can be an option for us

00:15:09 ◼   ► because otherwise we'd have to create

00:15:11 ◼   ► a watered down experience to what we're already offering.

00:15:15 ◼   ► - And give up 30%.

00:15:16 ◼   ► - Oh yeah, and give up 30%.

00:15:18 ◼   ► I'm fine with 15, 30 is too much.

00:15:20 ◼   ► - I still think it's kind of interesting though

00:15:23 ◼   ► as an additional option.

00:15:25 ◼   ► Like I don't understand what the outrage is

00:15:27 ◼   ► in terms of did anyone really expect

00:15:30 ◼   ► that Apple was gonna build a membership system

00:15:32 ◼   ► for other people like us and give us access to the data?

00:15:35 ◼   ► - And that's why I said what I said.

00:15:36 ◼   ► Like I think we're and people in our circles

00:15:39 ◼   ► are overlaying our idea of membership on top of this,

00:15:42 ◼   ► and that's not what they've built.

00:15:44 ◼   ► - Exactly.

00:15:45 ◼   ► - We just don't have the listener breakup

00:15:48 ◼   ► for Apple Podcast subscriptions anyway.

00:15:50 ◼   ► Like, we're a different part of this industry.

00:15:54 ◼   ► - Yep.

00:15:54 ◼   ► But I still think it's a fine option,

00:15:56 ◼   ► and it seems pretty well designed.

00:15:58 ◼   ► There's a few things that I don't appreciate

00:16:00 ◼   ► that you also mentioned, Myke.

00:16:02 ◼   ► But I feel like, maybe as an additional option

00:16:06 ◼   ► for folks who just want to get the ad-free, extended version

00:16:12 ◼   ► of a show without any other perks.

00:16:14 ◼   ► And if those people are super into Apple podcasts

00:16:17 ◼   ► because they like using Siri or they

00:16:19 ◼   ► like using the HomePod and Apple Watch,

00:16:22 ◼   ► seems pretty fine for them.

00:16:23 ◼   ► And it's pretty much like the App Store.

00:16:25 ◼   ► And that also includes the unfortunate 30% fee,

00:16:29 ◼   ► which I really don't understand.

00:16:31 ◼   ► But I don't know.

00:16:33 ◼   ► As with most cases, I guess I don't understand some of the outrage that I've seen, but hey, to each their own, I guess?

00:16:41 ◼   ► I understand it if we would have expected them to be doing something altruistic.

00:16:46 ◼   ► Why would they?

00:16:48 ◼   ► Yeah, I mean, they have and continue to do some level of quote unquote altruism with Apple Podcasts in general, right?

00:16:57 ◼   ► The fact that they are continuing to maintain this directory, right? That has an API.

00:17:03 ◼   ► I'm like, yes, they've added an opt-out in the API, but I don't, that doesn't really

00:17:08 ◼   ► bother me.

00:17:09 ◼   ► Um, people can opt out if they want to and then that becomes their own problem.

00:17:13 ◼   ► And so they continue to have this thing that's available and Apple have stewarded podcasting

00:17:18 ◼   ► for years.

00:17:19 ◼   ► I think that they've done a very good job of it.

00:17:22 ◼   ► Now they're adding this thing on top.

00:17:23 ◼   ► Of course it was meant to benefit their business whilst also providing some podcasters with

00:17:28 ◼   ► a way to make money.

00:17:30 ◼   ► Like I don't know how we, it's the same with a 30%.

00:17:35 ◼   ► I'm not surprised, I'm just disappointed.

00:17:39 ◼   ► I wish they wouldn't have done it, but I'm not surprised that they've done it.

00:17:42 ◼   ► And if anything, I'm pleased that they kept the 15 after the first year.

00:17:47 ◼   ► Let's take a break and then talk about AirTags.

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00:20:38 ◼   ► AirTags!

00:20:39 ◼   ► AirTag.

00:20:40 ◼   ► Is it AirTags or AirTag?

00:20:42 ◼   ► It depends how many you have.

00:20:44 ◼   ► Well, Apple never uses AirTags, plural, I think.

00:20:47 ◼   ► Well, it's like how they never say iMacs.

00:20:52 ◼   ► More than one iMac is probably what they would say, right?

00:20:55 ◼   ► It's like they never say "the" and they put "s" on the end of anything.

00:20:58 ◼   ► iMac units.

00:20:59 ◼   ► iMacs, plural.

00:21:00 ◼   ► Maybe they do put "s" on other things.

00:21:04 ◼   ► Would they say iPhones?

00:21:05 ◼   ► Probably.

00:21:06 ◼   ► I don't know why.

00:21:07 ◼   ► They say iPhones.

00:21:08 ◼   ► But anyway, because AirTag, AirTag, because it starts with one, right?

00:21:12 ◼   ► So it would be weird to call them AirTags if you're just selling one.

00:21:17 ◼   ► Right.

00:21:18 ◼   ► Well, this is deep.

00:21:21 ◼   ► It's a question for the time, really.

00:21:24 ◼   ► It's a question for the linguistics out there.

00:21:26 ◼   ► Like, I don't know.

00:21:28 ◼   ► Anyway, yes, they are real.

00:21:31 ◼   ► Did we get some AirTags for us?

00:21:34 ◼   ► I did.

00:21:35 ◼   ► I don't know why, but I did.

00:21:38 ◼   ► And while I was at it, I figured I would also get some accessories.

00:21:41 ◼   ► Yes.

00:21:42 ◼   ► I mean, why not?

00:21:43 ◼   ► I didn't get them engraved, though.

00:21:46 ◼   ► I'm not an engraving type person.

00:21:50 ◼   ► I don't know.

00:21:51 ◼   ► I just...

00:21:52 ◼   ► I don't know.

00:21:53 ◼   ► I prefer to put stickers sometimes on things, but usually, like, the selection of emoji

00:21:58 ◼   ► that you can pick from the tool on Apple.com is limited to just some emoji, and you cannot

00:22:06 ◼   ► put, like, curse words or other things on the engraving.

00:22:10 ◼   ► So that sort of...

00:22:11 ◼   ► Are you sad for that?

00:22:12 ◼   ► It's like, "Oh, no customers."

00:22:13 ◼   ► I mean, it removes the fun, right?

00:22:17 ◼   ► There's some fun options that I could have done.

00:22:21 ◼   ► So I just got the standard four-pack, and then I got the keychain holder and another

00:22:28 ◼   ► leather thing that they have.

00:22:31 ◼   ► I just clicked a bunch of buttons, basically, and I figured, yeah, this and this other one.

00:22:36 ◼   ► And I don't know how I'm going to use them.

00:22:37 ◼   ► I don't know why I bought them.

00:22:39 ◼   ► I think I bought them because of hashtag content, basically.

00:22:43 ◼   ► So just, yeah, I want to talk about them.

00:22:45 ◼   ► This was a product that I thought I would want anyway,

00:22:50 ◼   ► because I do see a value to this kind of thing.

00:22:53 ◼   ► And then the review videos made them look even cooler

00:22:58 ◼   ► than I thought they were going to be.

00:23:00 ◼   ► So I was like, yep, I'm into it.

00:23:02 ◼   ► So I did.

00:23:03 ◼   ► You know, I just thought I went with the Hermes one, you know, just like

00:23:06 ◼   ► just thought I just dropped 500 no I didn't do that I bought four pack mm-hmm

00:23:12 ◼   ► I wanted to engrave them then I was like I don't know what I want and decided not to

00:23:17 ◼   ► engrave them but then I was talking to Adina this morning and she was like oh I

00:23:21 ◼   ► would like one and then I was like okay I'm gonna get the keychain which

00:23:25 ◼   ► keychain do you want and I showed and she wanted the exact same keychain one

00:23:29 ◼   ► that I wanted and I was like okay this is gonna get confusing so I did engrave

00:23:32 ◼   ► them. I did one with MH, one with AH, and then I did one with a ghost on it and one

00:23:38 ◼   ► with the grimacing emoji on it because I thought that was funny. I just picked the

00:23:43 ◼   ► ghost, I liked the ghost, and then just like of all the emoji faces, the grimacing

00:23:47 ◼   ► one, I was like yep I'm into it. It's a very upset AirTag at all times. I got a

00:23:54 ◼   ► couple of different. I got one of the keychain ones because I do actually want

00:24:00 ◼   ► to put this on my keys. The loop one and I got one of the little Belkin secure holders as well.

00:24:08 ◼   ► I just want to try out all of the different options here because I know what I want to do

00:24:13 ◼   ► with two of them. And Ian is going to have one for her keys, I'm going to have one for my keys.

00:24:17 ◼   ► I keep hearing people say like I've never lost my keys and as like a reason that they wouldn't

00:24:23 ◼   ► want air tags. I've never lost my keys. And that's perfectly fine but here's the other thing. I don't

00:24:28 ◼   ► ever want to lose my keys. So this is the thing that would stop me from doing that,

00:24:35 ◼   ► hopefully. Like, I don't think it's a good answer. It's like something's never happened,

00:24:40 ◼   ► so it never will happen. You know? I don't think that that's a way to live your life,

00:24:45 ◼   ► right? Just having assumed something to this point will mean that it will be that way forever.

00:24:50 ◼   ► You know, I don't think that life works like that.

00:24:51 ◼   ► I'm just saying, and I said this before, I'm not a very misplace-y person.

00:24:57 ◼   ► Yeah, you are.

00:24:58 ◼   ► You know?

00:24:59 ◼   ► No, I'm not.

00:25:00 ◼   ► You lost a heart rate monitor.

00:25:01 ◼   ► No, you stole it.

00:25:02 ◼   ► That was stolen.

00:25:03 ◼   ► That was taken from me.

00:25:04 ◼   ► It wasn't lost.

00:25:05 ◼   ► If you would have had an air tag, you would have known, wouldn't you?

00:25:07 ◼   ► Well, am I supposed to exercise with an air tag attached to the center, attached to my

00:25:11 ◼   ► chest?

00:25:12 ◼   ► Sure.

00:25:13 ◼   ► Well, that seems inconvenient.

00:25:14 ◼   ► Jingle jangle.

00:25:16 ◼   ► If you keep losing stuff, then you should stick air tags to them.

00:25:19 ◼   ► I am not.

00:25:20 ◼   ► I'm not losing stuff.

00:25:21 ◼   ► I'm not keeping to lose like it's not a thing that that happens frequently to you. It seems no

00:25:28 ◼   ► No, I think so

00:25:30 ◼   ► Why would you think that do I give up the kind of vibe that I'm a as a losing person as a losing person

00:25:39 ◼   ► Okay, what I call you a loser, I don't I don't think so

00:25:44 ◼   ► Losing how do you call a?

00:25:46 ◼   ► Somebody who loses things

00:25:49 ◼   ► Is there a word for that forgetful, I don't know unlucky. I don't think there is a word an unfortunate person

00:25:57 ◼   ► Okay

00:25:59 ◼   ► Steven did you get the air tags? I did I bought the air tag for pack

00:26:04 ◼   ► I looked on Apple's website and it says what's in the box and it says air tag air tag air tag air tag

00:26:10 ◼   ► They seem unable to put an S on the end of this word. They refuse so much

00:26:16 ◼   ► It's not that difficult like it seems pretty inefficient and I will say you know they care so much about the environment

00:26:24 ◼   ► But they are using more ink or more pixels depending on where it's written. They should recycle those pixels

00:26:31 ◼   ► That's the thing we can do now even in the support document

00:26:37 ◼   ► It's all singular just very upsetting air tag air tag. Did you buy the little keychain?

00:26:44 ◼   ► what did you get? I did so I had there's two Belkin ones on Apple's website one with like a ring and one that's like

00:26:50 ◼   ► a little string that you loop around it and then I also did the Apple one the Apple keychain just

00:26:56 ◼   ► To see the difference the Belkin keychain gives me big like

00:27:01 ◼   ► kids accessory vibe yeah

00:27:04 ◼   ► Yes, like those things you like the wild cases you get for kids iPads

00:27:10 ◼   ► So they drop them and just bounce back up into their hands again

00:27:12 ◼   ► you know what I'm talking about? Stephen you must have seen this kind of stuff.

00:27:15 ◼   ► Because they hit them on the face, they're so bouncy, they just got to be careful with it.

00:27:18 ◼   ► Yeah, just like bouncing around the room. Like they seem more kind of like they've got a bit of

00:27:25 ◼   ► like, I don't know, they take maybe a more extreme sports vibe to them or something like they're

00:27:30 ◼   ► more protected. There's loads of accessories though, right? Like that are non-official.

00:27:35 ◼   ► Did you see all of this stuff? Like Moment have got them and Nomad have got them.

00:27:39 ◼   ► I'm not sure exactly why Nomad's is square. I think they may have been expecting something

00:27:44 ◼   ► different to occur. Did you see this? Nomad's is square? What?

00:27:48 ◼   ► Nomad has a square keychain, like a keychain where it's square, and I'm not 100%

00:27:54 ◼   ► understanding what they thought this product was gonna be.

00:27:58 ◼   ► Why is it square? Like does it just rattle around inside of there?

00:28:04 ◼   ► Why is it square? They have a round one and they have a square one.

00:28:09 ◼   ► Maybe the square one is also used for like tiles or something.

00:28:12 ◼   ► Maybe it's also compatible with the tile. Yeah.

00:28:14 ◼   ► They also made a sunglass strap.

00:28:16 ◼   ► Okay, so we need to have a talk about the sunglass strap, okay?

00:28:20 ◼   ► Do we?

00:28:23 ◼   ► Yes, because I feel like the sunglass strap has the same energy of the Bluetooth headset guy

00:28:33 ◼   ► kind of person.

00:28:36 ◼   ► you know, you're walking downtown to your big legal firm for work and you're talking to the

00:28:43 ◼   ► with the Bluetooth headset and you're also wearing sunglasses with a strap. That to me

00:28:49 ◼   ► paints a whole picture, you know? I feel like they chose the wrong sunglasses for the sunglass

00:28:55 ◼   ► strap imagery. No man, people who wear sunglass straps with air tags in them, they wear those

00:29:00 ◼   ► their sunglasses. They wear Ray-Bans? I was imagining more like, man we're upset so many

00:29:07 ◼   ► people here like Oakleys or something. Maybe so. As an option here, what would maybe more

00:29:13 ◼   ► fit because it's maybe at least more like hiking-y or something or sportsy. I don't

00:29:20 ◼   ► think the Ray-Bans, the Ray-Bans don't work for me in this. I appreciate Nomad making

00:29:26 ◼   ► something different like they've definitely cornered the market on AirTag

00:29:29 ◼   ► sunglass straps. I also think what Moment have done is quite clever too

00:29:35 ◼   ► where they've made basically these like little plastic discs that you put an AirTag

00:29:42 ◼   ► in and you can stick it to something and I think that's quite clever too.

00:29:46 ◼   ► Yeah I want to try sticking an AirTag to my car and so this would be perfect for that.

00:29:50 ◼   ► Oh well can you just put it in the car?

00:29:53 ◼   ► would it being in the car inhibit you seeing it via bluetooth or you want think

00:30:00 ◼   ► so I don't know look cuz then it would never work at all with it if you put it

00:30:06 ◼   ► if you put an air tag inside of any enclosed space it no longer what the

00:30:09 ◼   ► cars like metal and glass you know so yeah just just open the oil cap drop the

00:30:15 ◼   ► air tag in like a treat and close it up put it with the battery and it will

00:30:21 ◼   ► probably keep it powered. Maybe that's how that works. You just stick it to the

00:30:25 ◼   ► battery and it'll keep it powered. True. I'm very pleased they went with the

00:30:29 ◼   ► replaceable battery thing. Mm-hmm surprised. Yep. It would have just been so

00:30:33 ◼   ► wasteful, right? Because I've used products from other companies before and

00:30:38 ◼   ► it's basically like when the batteries dead you get a new one. Which is wasteful.

00:30:41 ◼   ► And that's wasteful. Why do you think there's a maximum of 16 per Apple ID? Why

00:30:47 ◼   ► did they choose that number? Because if you're if you're losing more than 16

00:30:51 ◼   ► objects in your life you maybe have a problem that you need to fix before getting more.

00:30:56 ◼   ► Why not 15? Do you think it's just because it's divisible by four?

00:31:00 ◼   ► Yeah you can get four four packs. You can spend four hundred dollars.

00:31:04 ◼   ► Hang on, we missed the best accessory. Did we? The Spigen AirTag Case Rugged Armor. I'm putting it

00:31:12 ◼   ► in the Discord. It's got a carabiner on it, isn't it? It has like a tactical carabiner.

00:31:20 ◼   ► Oh, you could like use an air tag when you dangle off the roof.

00:31:24 ◼   ► Is this, has that got a bottle opener on it?

00:31:25 ◼   ► I think it has.

00:31:26 ◼   ► I'm sure it does.

00:31:27 ◼   ► I'm pretty sure that's a bottle opener there, that little rivet.

00:31:30 ◼   ► So what kind of person wears this?

00:31:32 ◼   ► The same person who buys the sunglasses thing.

00:31:35 ◼   ► This is like a whole kit for that person.

00:31:36 ◼   ► I mean, obviously the photo on the Spigen website, the key fob is for a BMW, obviously.

00:31:45 ◼   ► Right, right, right.

00:31:46 ◼   ► Right, right, right.

00:31:47 ◼   ► Okay, do you want to know the features?

00:31:49 ◼   ► Features.

00:31:50 ◼   ► Rugged build dominates everyday bumps and drops.

00:31:53 ◼   ► Dominates?

00:31:54 ◼   ► Oh my god, this is the kind of, alright, that's the kind of person this is for.

00:31:58 ◼   ► Durable zinc alloy and stainless steel carabiner doubles up as a bottle opener to open a cold

00:32:04 ◼   ► one.

00:32:05 ◼   ► Yeah, when you're drinking with them boys.

00:32:07 ◼   ► To open a cold one with the boys.

00:32:10 ◼   ► Lightweight builds to hook onto your essentials.

00:32:13 ◼   ► Here's what I want to do.

00:32:14 ◼   ► I want to start a new website and all I do is review AirTag accessories.

00:32:19 ◼   ► Uh-huh, I feel like you'd have a pretty good start.

00:32:22 ◼   ► There's a lot of them.

00:32:23 ◼   ► AirTag.pro.

00:32:24 ◼   ► I'm not doing it.

00:32:25 ◼   ► Nor am I buying a domain.

00:32:27 ◼   ► Because Apple will sue you and take your domain.

00:32:29 ◼   ► Also self-restraint, because I just got a hover bill that was quite exciting.

00:32:33 ◼   ► Why do these accessories exist?

00:32:36 ◼   ► Like what are you doing with this thing attached to your belt?

00:32:40 ◼   ► Have some sense of style.

00:32:41 ◼   ► I mean, come on.

00:32:42 ◼   ► What is this?

00:32:43 ◼   ► I mean it's a style Federico. Yeah, it's a wrong style. I didn't say that. I did say that I do I don't care

00:32:51 ◼   ► Well Spegan's leather one is backordered 30 days

00:32:55 ◼   ► Because it isn't ready no one actually made this thing backordered means we're still inventing it

00:33:00 ◼   ► Yeah, we're gonna see so many of these just there's gonna be tons of them. Why not? Why not mix and match, you know

00:33:07 ◼   ► Why not?

00:33:08 ◼   ► Something for every style where else would you want an air tag so bags keys?

00:33:14 ◼   ► Maybe a car what else would you want to attach an air tag to you? I like sauce. I'm gonna put backpack maybe

00:33:20 ◼   ► Backpack I mean travel in suitcase obviously yeah, not everyone has a Federico looking out for them

00:33:27 ◼   ► That's true right very true

00:33:30 ◼   ► Also some people were saying I'm gonna stick one to the

00:33:35 ◼   ► the color on my dog or something.

00:33:38 ◼   ► Apple does not advise you do that.

00:33:41 ◼   ► Also, I don't know if I want to put like a Bluetooth accessory,

00:33:45 ◼   ► you know, right by my dog's little brain.

00:33:50 ◼   ► I don't know. It's just kind of weird.

00:33:52 ◼   ► -And I don't think you should worry about that for how much

00:33:53 ◼   ► Bluetooth is pinging around inside of your house all the time.

00:33:56 ◼   ► -Yeah. You got an Apple Watch on your wrist.

00:33:58 ◼   ► -Yeah, you got Bluetooth firing off in there all day,

00:34:01 ◼   ► left and right, up and down.

00:34:02 ◼   ► -Bouncing around.

00:34:03 ◼   ► between the vaccines of 5G.

00:34:05 ◼   ► (laughing)

00:34:08 ◼   ► What's next, microchips?

00:34:14 ◼   ► - Have you microchipped your dogs?

00:34:20 ◼   ► Is that a thing?

00:34:21 ◼   ► - I'm kidding, it's a joke.

00:34:22 ◼   ► Yeah, yeah, I did.

00:34:23 ◼   ► Yes, obviously.

00:34:24 ◼   ► - So why not give poemantag?

00:34:25 ◼   ► You put chip inside of their body.

00:34:27 ◼   ► I'll put chip inside of you, see how you feel.

00:34:30 ◼   ► - You think I should, like,

00:34:32 ◼   ► Why wouldn't you?

00:34:35 ◼   ► Maybe.

00:34:36 ◼   ► I'm gonna sell Silvio on the idea though.

00:34:39 ◼   ► Nah, just do it.

00:34:40 ◼   ► I don't know exactly why Apple's saying not to put them on animals, I bet it's just something

00:34:44 ◼   ► like legal thing, right?

00:34:47 ◼   ► Like if the air tag doesn't work, then you'd be like "Oh, Apple killed my cat" or something,

00:34:52 ◼   ► you know?

00:34:53 ◼   ► It's always so tragic.

00:34:54 ◼   ► That's the kind of story, you know?

00:34:57 ◼   ► That people would try and write.

00:34:59 ◼   ► Yeah, no dog, no children. Shouldn't put it on a child, I think for the same reason.

00:35:05 ◼   ► Right.

00:35:05 ◼   ► Right.

00:35:07 ◼   ► Marquez, MKBHD, made a really interesting point that I hadn't considered, because I

00:35:13 ◼   ► was just like, "Oh, I would put it inside my bag," right? Like, put the air tag inside

00:35:18 ◼   ► the bag. And he was like, "No, you should put it on the outside so if people find it,

00:35:23 ◼   ► they know there is one." And I was like, "Oh, that's really smart." Right? Because

00:35:29 ◼   ► if these things continue to... No wait, you lost me. What do you mean? Right, so if I... my natural thinking about my backpack, right,

00:35:35 ◼   ► is to put the AirTag just inside the bag so it's not on show all the time. Just put it in the bag, right? Okay.

00:35:41 ◼   ► But if my bag is lost...

00:35:44 ◼   ► Right. Unless someone starts going through my bag,

00:35:47 ◼   ► they're not gonna find my AirTag and even if they do, they might not because I might put it in an inside pocket or whatever.

00:35:52 ◼   ► That's a good point.

00:35:53 ◼   ► So if you use one of the little loop things and hang it in such a way that it's visibly on the outside of the bag,

00:35:58 ◼   ► if somebody finds your bag they very easily just scan the air tag for you and

00:36:03 ◼   ► call you. He said it's like you would put a luggage tag on the outside of a

00:36:08 ◼   ► suitcase. You don't put it on the inside of the suitcase. You know I

00:36:13 ◼   ► once found someone's wallet right under... Did you steal the money? No, so I was walking the

00:36:20 ◼   ► dogs with Silvia. It was late at night and I see this like passport photo on

00:36:25 ◼   ► on the ground. I was like, "Wait, what is that?"

00:36:27 ◼   ► And I actually kind of, you know, touch it with my shoe.

00:36:31 ◼   ► It's like, "Oh, it's someone's wallet."

00:36:33 ◼   ► And it was open.

00:36:33 ◼   ► You touch it like a shoe as if it could come alive at any moment?

00:36:36 ◼   ► Yeah, it was just, you know.

00:36:38 ◼   ► Maybe there's like a giant...

00:36:39 ◼   ► What if it's a tiny person?

00:36:41 ◼   ► I don't know, it's just a giant lizard under it.

00:36:44 ◼   ► I don't know. I'm just poking it.

00:36:47 ◼   ► Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.

00:36:49 ◼   ► You didn't want to touch it because there might have been a lizard underneath it?

00:36:52 ◼   ► Is that a thing that happens a lot?

00:36:54 ◼   ► I don't know. I kind of wanted to poke it before...

00:36:57 ◼   ► It's a lizard wearing the disguise of a wallet and that's how they get you.

00:37:00 ◼   ► Alright, so I'm poking the thing and then I confirm that it's a wallet, okay?

00:37:05 ◼   ► And so I take the... it's like, okay, it's a wallet, it's someone's wallet and we gotta return this.

00:37:10 ◼   ► It's a responsible thing to do. So we get the wallet and there's an ID inside.

00:37:15 ◼   ► And so we find the... I actually kind of broke the law, I think, because I...

00:37:22 ◼   ► So I saw the ID and in theory you're supposed to go to the police station, right?

00:37:28 ◼   ► And say I found this person's ID, yes to the Policia or the Carabinieri, Myke.

00:37:34 ◼   ► Obviously.

00:37:34 ◼   ► You're supposed to go there and say, "Hey, I found somebody's ID."

00:37:38 ◼   ► Is the Carabinieri what you put the air tag onto?

00:37:40 ◼   ► It's spelled like that.

00:37:43 ◼   ► Come on, come on.

00:37:46 ◼   ► They have bottle openers attached to them.

00:37:48 ◼   ► So in any case, I couldn't be bothered to go to the police station.

00:37:53 ◼   ► And so I... so let me try to be vague here.

00:37:58 ◼   ► So in any case, I was able to find this person's address through other means,

00:38:02 ◼   ► and it was very convenient, so I didn't have to go to the police station.

00:38:06 ◼   ► And it turns out that the guy lived like just under, you know, at the end of the same street where I live.

00:38:13 ◼   ► And so we go there and basically we ring the bell and it's this younger guy who was like

00:38:20 ◼   ► in his twenties and he's drunk and in his underpants.

00:38:23 ◼   ► I see what if you'd lost your wallet.

00:38:27 ◼   ► Opens the door like, Hey, he's like, Hey, what's up? Like, like, um, are you, you know,

00:38:37 ◼   ► I don't know, Tom. Okay. I don't remember his name. Like, uh, I think I found your wallet.

00:38:42 ◼   ► And so this guy is drunk in his underpants, obviously smelling like alcohol. And he basically

00:38:50 ◼   ► has this huge smile and it's like, Oh my God, thank you. And he goes for the hug. And so

00:38:55 ◼   ► I find myself with my girlfriend at 10 PM hugging a drunk guy in his underpants.

00:39:00 ◼   ► Oh you accepted the hug.

00:39:01 ◼   ► I mean, he went for it.

00:39:02 ◼   ► What are you going to do, right? You want to push him? You stole his wallet, you know?

00:39:07 ◼   ► And it's like I found, and also kind of, I don't know, it was kind of embarrassing, man.

00:39:13 ◼   ► One of the things, one of the many things that happened to me.

00:39:15 ◼   ► You have, you do get into some scrapes.

00:39:19 ◼   ► Yeah, but it was actually very like, for a drunk guy in his underpants, it was very lovely

00:39:24 ◼   ► and you know, charming.

00:39:27 ◼   ► All's well that ends well.

00:39:34 ◼   ► So why are we talking about this?

00:39:35 ◼   ► I don't know.

00:39:36 ◼   ► I don't know.

00:39:37 ◼   ► I think it's too thick to put in a wallet, which is a bummer.

00:39:40 ◼   ► I don't even worry about losing my wallet. I lost my wallet once.

00:39:43 ◼   ► You lost a wallet!

00:39:44 ◼   ► Yeah, that's why I don't worry, because I knew how easy it was to handle replacing everything.

00:39:49 ◼   ► It wasn't that bad.

00:39:50 ◼   ► I could...

00:39:51 ◼   ► That was mostly sad, just because I lost the wallet. I liked the wallet, you know?

00:39:56 ◼   ► Couldn't care about your ID.

00:39:57 ◼   ► I mean, an ID's so simple to replace.

00:39:59 ◼   ► Or your company debit card.

00:40:01 ◼   ► Again, really easy to replace. You just give people a call, send that stuff out to you.

00:40:06 ◼   ► And, you know, my ID is a provisional driving license, not even a real driving license.

00:40:11 ◼   ► So, I just got a new one. Easy.

00:40:15 ◼   ► Now that we're talking about it, I actually don't know why I bought them.

00:40:18 ◼   ► It's my realization.

00:40:20 ◼   ► Just put it in your wallet. Put it in your wallet case. Stick it to your iPhone. I don't know.

00:40:24 ◼   ► I can't really do that.

00:40:27 ◼   ► I don't know. Why did I buy them?

00:40:30 ◼   ► It's a... You did it for the content.

00:40:32 ◼   ► You're right.

00:40:33 ◼   ► Okay, well we are going to test them, we are supposedly receiving them in a week, right?

00:40:39 ◼   ► Yeah, yeah.

00:40:40 ◼   ► So I guess not in the next episode but in the one after that we're going to be talking

00:40:44 ◼   ► about our AirTag experience.

00:40:46 ◼   ► I'm sure by that point all of our listeners will really want to know our opinions.

00:40:51 ◼   ► Sure, everybody's waiting for us, like I'm not going to purchase our tag, singular, until

00:40:58 ◼   ► the connected guys talk about it.

00:41:00 ◼   ► That's right.

00:41:01 ◼   ► not AirTag AirTag AirTag AirTag no way I did mine for in-store pickup because my

00:41:07 ◼   ► store is offering that again and I haven't been anywhere I was like I'm

00:41:11 ◼   ► gonna go to the Apple Store and pick my AirTags up don't have to brag because

00:41:14 ◼   ► you got a vaccine and you can go places it was an option for me too but I

00:41:19 ◼   ► couldn't be bothered for this product it's like not I'm not so excited day one

00:41:26 ◼   ► Like I'm fine, but with this one I'm fine. Like if we if we order an iPad for Radeena, I'll probably do it

00:41:35 ◼   ► But maybe for the Apple TV remote, I'll do it but

00:41:39 ◼   ► Not for the AirTag. AirTag, AirTag, AirTag, AirTag. All right, let's take a break and score some picks. All right

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00:43:42 ◼   ► Time to judge the Ricky's

00:43:44 ◼   ► Excuse me while I get comfortable here. Okay for this segment. Mm-hmm. Ah, can you feel that guys?

00:43:52 ◼   ► the sweet smell of victory

00:43:55 ◼   ► Stephen I hope you have a bleep sound ready because this is gonna know don't don't do that to me. It's Friday

00:44:05 ◼   ► Editing this show is the only thing between me and the weekend.

00:44:07 ◼   ► Ah, that feels so good.

00:44:09 ◼   ► Alright, round one.

00:44:11 ◼   ► Do we need to read the rules?

00:44:12 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:44:13 ◼   ► Go on, read them.

00:44:14 ◼   ► Go on, read the rules.

00:44:16 ◼   ► Go on.

00:44:16 ◼   ► There are two types of Ricky's.

00:44:20 ◼   ► Annual Ricky's and keynote Ricky's.

00:44:23 ◼   ► What's up with my favorite songs?

00:44:24 ◼   ► Come on.

00:44:24 ◼   ► The winner of the annual Ricky's is named the annual chairman and retains the rights

00:44:29 ◼   ► to the corresponding Twitter account for the full year.

00:44:31 ◼   ► This position is awarded every January.

00:44:34 ◼   ► The keynote rookies winner is named the keynote chairman and retains the rights to the corresponding

00:44:40 ◼   ► Twitter account until the next keynote is held

00:44:43 ◼   ► Annual winners roll over to preserve the order of picks for example the 2019 annual winner got to go first for the next annual picks

00:44:51 ◼   ► Order of the keynote rookies is based on the previous Apple event the loser goes last

00:45:00 ◼   ► To earn any points everything written down in the prediction document must come true

00:45:05 ◼   ► No half points may be awarded in any round and picks cannot be reused

00:45:10 ◼   ► One point is awarded for any pick deemed correct in the first two rounds

00:45:15 ◼   ► Two points will be awarded for correct picks in the risky pick round if your risky pick is wrong

00:45:21 ◼   ► You will lose a point and the other two hosts must agree that your pick is risky

00:45:27 ◼   ► For the keynote rookies the scoring window starts when the event begins and closes when the picks are scored which is now

00:45:34 ◼   ► The winner of the regular plus risky picks must be granted access to the annual or event chairman Twitter account

00:45:41 ◼   ► It will retain access until another winner is named as a reminder Myke is the current annual chairman

00:45:47 ◼   ► And I am the current keynote chairman

00:45:49 ◼   ► We also have the flexes which I'll explain when we get there guys

00:45:55 ◼   ► The keynote chairman Twitter account is on the line

00:45:57 ◼   ► On the line and cash, but we'll talk about that and in the flexes. We'll get to so round one

00:46:05 ◼   ► my pick

00:46:07 ◼   ► The iPad Pro is updated to a variant of the a14 chip

00:46:11 ◼   ► Couldn't have been more wrong here. How did that go technically the m1 is based on the a14?

00:46:16 ◼   ► How do you know are you Johnny's Fuji?

00:46:19 ◼   ► We had this exact conversation last week where we 100% said

00:46:24 ◼   ► that you cannot state this. It isn't true. We had a whole talk about this. Yes we have

00:46:30 ◼   ► already established this previously. So I got I got this one wrong. I don't know

00:46:35 ◼   ► about you guys but when Turnus, is it John Turnus? Yes. I think his name's John.

00:46:41 ◼   ► He basically started doing the run-up to this announcement right of like

00:46:46 ◼   ► "oh it's so good like we've heard other people might want it" I was like oh my god

00:46:51 ◼   ► they're doing it. Because I didn't expect this, right? Because of all of the questions

00:46:57 ◼   ► that are now going to be asked for the next at least seven weeks about why would you put

00:47:05 ◼   ► the Mac chip in an iPad? You could have put the same chip in there and called it the A14X,

00:47:11 ◼   ► but they have now called it the M1. The M1 is the Mac chip. So now the question on everybody's

00:47:17 ◼   ► lips is, "Well, why? What are you gonna give to me?" Yeah, I mean, lots of people have

00:47:23 ◼   ► referenced this, but Jason's piece on Macworld, "The iPad Pro is a killer machine, but its

00:47:28 ◼   ► software is killing me," is exactly what we're talking about. Fedoruk, I want to know what

00:47:33 ◼   ► you think about this, because we can all sit here and talk about this, but you're the person

00:47:38 ◼   ► who actually is in the trenches using your iPad as your main computer. Does the M1 bring

00:47:44 ◼   ► anything to what you're doing or do you kind of think like we do that it's already fast enough and

00:47:50 ◼   ► this is a big promise without delivery yet? Well, it is a big promise and it doesn't really do

00:47:57 ◼   ► anything at the moment for me. I'm not a video editor. I don't have to export all this 4k footage

00:48:04 ◼   ► that other people have to. I think it's incredible if you're that kind of user. If you do photo

00:48:10 ◼   ► editing, if you do video, if you do 3d modeling, I know a bunch of people that do that and I think

00:48:14 ◼   ► it for those kinds of users I can already see the upside of this, right? But for the

00:48:20 ◼   ► rest of us, you know, folks who write, who do research, who use the iPad as a laptop,

00:48:24 ◼   ► but not for those kinds of CPU and GPU intensive tasks, it is a lot of promise, but it feels

00:48:32 ◼   ► like one half of a story that is incomplete at the moment. And when I linked to Jason's

00:48:40 ◼   ► article on Mac stories, I added as a note that the last time this happened, it was in

00:48:47 ◼   ► the fall of 2018, when we got the first, the original sort of modern take on the iPad Pro,

00:48:54 ◼   ► the 2018 iPad Pro. And at the time, we all said, sort of the consensus was, "Well, this

00:49:01 ◼   ► is a beautiful machine, it's so powerful, but why is it so powerful?" Because at the

00:49:07 ◼   ► time when Apple announced the 2018 iPad Pro, iOS 12 was the software that ran on it. And

00:49:14 ◼   ► so the last time that this happened, that this exact situation occurred, we all asked

00:49:19 ◼   ► that question. And seven months later, Apple delivered iPadOS. So the first OS made for

00:49:26 ◼   ► iPad, with multi-windowing and all those changes to multitasking. So if history is of any indication

00:49:33 ◼   ► I guess this is happening again, but on a shorter time frame, because WWDC is in 45

00:49:42 ◼   ► days or something, it really does feel like, why would you put all this power? Why would

00:49:47 ◼   ► you put the M1 and a Thunderbolt port and a better display? All these things, extra

00:49:54 ◼   ► storage because you can now get a 2TB iPad Pro. Why would you do all these things?

00:50:00 ◼   ► Why are they listing the RAM on the website?

00:50:02 ◼   ► are you listing 16GB of RAM as an option?" And you still have the same limitations as

00:50:08 ◼   ► before. To me, this feels like you get this iPad now and don't you worry, more is coming

00:50:15 ◼   ► in software in the next update. And this is also the kind of thing where Apple

00:50:20 ◼   ► can't get mad that we're asking these questions because they chose M1, right? They would have

00:50:28 ◼   ► put the A14X in it and be like "oh that's an M1, we know that". We wouldn't be asking

00:50:32 ◼   ► the same questions, because it'd be like "well this is the continuation of the iPad". But

00:50:37 ◼   ► they've taken what I think seems like a bit of a turn, and so I'm expecting there to be

00:50:42 ◼   ► a payoff.

00:50:44 ◼   ► I think so. I mean, otherwise why do it?

00:50:48 ◼   ► Exactly.

00:50:50 ◼   ► What's the other... let's think about it this way. What's the other potential outcome? That

00:50:55 ◼   ► they release an iPad Pro with these pretty incredible specs in May 2021, but the software

00:51:02 ◼   ► for it actually comes out June 2022? Seems unlikely to me.

00:51:09 ◼   ► I mean, if that was the case, I don't know why you would say it has the same chip as

00:51:15 ◼   ► the Mac in it. I don't think that that was necessary, but this is the route that they've

00:51:21 ◼   ► chosen to go down. My first pick, this one hurts me, 12.9 inch iPad Pro ships later than the 11 inch.

00:51:29 ◼   ► The reason this hurts me is I might still be right. But you can't know. I can't know. We can't know.

00:51:35 ◼   ► We're not gonna know until next Friday. But I think I will just say now, obviously I'm wrong

00:51:44 ◼   ► in the pick, I still think I'm right because they're like second half of May. Like why would

00:51:50 ◼   ► you say that it's such a weird ambiguous timeline and they said it for most of

00:51:55 ◼   ► their products which is very strange but still you know it is upsetting to me but

00:52:02 ◼   ► I do not get the pick because the we heard it in the rules it happened now

00:52:05 ◼   ► but I just wanted to state for the record that I still think that I'm

00:52:08 ◼   ► probably gonna history will show me as correct on this one but it will make a

00:52:12 ◼   ► difference because we're scoring right now that's right the the third one

00:52:18 ◼   ► Federico. My first pick was at least one of the new iPad Pros will have a

00:52:26 ◼   ► Thunderbolt / USB 4 port similar to the M1 Max. The funny thing about all of this

00:52:33 ◼   ► is this entire round one we were all completely convinced that everyone was

00:52:37 ◼   ► gonna get their points. Mm-hmm. And only Federico got a point. We've kind of

00:52:45 ◼   ► talked about this but it does bring faster speeds, fractional storage, it can

00:52:50 ◼   ► push Pro Display XDR now for the two people who want to do that but I mean

00:52:55 ◼   ► it's sort of the same thing with the M1 this is a unfulfilled promise I think.

00:53:00 ◼   ► Yeah I mean this is exactly the story of the USB-C in the 2018. Yeah and we got

00:53:08 ◼   ► like jump drive support. Yeah we are literally having the same conversation

00:53:13 ◼   ► that we had three years ago.

00:53:15 ◼   ► Just we keep saying the same sentences,

00:53:18 ◼   ► the same lines over and over.

00:53:20 ◼   ► Just this time it's about Thunderbolt and USB4.

00:53:22 ◼   ► But yeah, we'll see.

00:53:24 ◼   ► I guess now you can transfer data up to 40 gigabit per second.

00:53:29 ◼   ► Great.

00:53:30 ◼   ► It's four times faster than before.

00:53:32 ◼   ► And you still have to use the Files app for that.

00:53:35 ◼   ► So if it doesn't crash on you.

00:53:39 ◼   ► (laughing)

00:53:40 ◼   ► Great.

00:53:41 ◼   ► - Yeah, so this is round one.

00:53:43 ◼   ► - All right, so round one, Federico has one point.

00:53:46 ◼   ► Myke and I are tied at zero points,

00:53:50 ◼   ► which is a real bummer.

00:53:51 ◼   ► - Let's do everything to play full.

00:53:53 ◼   ► - That's right.

00:53:54 ◼   ► - Don't worry, everything can change.

00:53:56 ◼   ► - Round two, I went first.

00:54:00 ◼   ► The big iPad Pro is updated with a feature

00:54:02 ◼   ► that is unique to it.

00:54:04 ◼   ► Fancy new mini LED display

00:54:09 ◼   ► that makes even the Pro Display XDR look kind of sad.

00:54:12 ◼   ► - How do you feel about that as a Pro Display XDR owner?

00:54:16 ◼   ► - I mean.

00:54:17 ◼   ► - You're gonna have a bad year.

00:54:20 ◼   ► I'm predicting this right now.

00:54:21 ◼   ► Steven's gonna feel real bad by the end of this year.

00:54:25 ◼   ► - Tell us, how do you feel?

00:54:27 ◼   ► - If he was able to just use sidecar with whatever

00:54:32 ◼   ► Mac comes out. - Yeah, I've got a Mac Pro

00:54:34 ◼   ► and a Pro Display XDR.

00:54:36 ◼   ► I mean, it's fine.

00:54:38 ◼   ► I don't use the Pro Display for all of its really cool stuff that it does.

00:54:43 ◼   ► Wait, you don't do color grading?

00:54:46 ◼   ► No.

00:54:47 ◼   ► Really?

00:54:48 ◼   ► No, it's weird, right?

00:54:49 ◼   ► I thought you only watched HDR Zoom video.

00:54:51 ◼   ► Like calls or whatever.

00:54:52 ◼   ► You know, too bad Apple doesn't make a display for normal people and we're stuck with this

00:54:56 ◼   ► one.

00:54:57 ◼   ► I mean, it is truly-

00:54:58 ◼   ► They do, it's called the LG Ultrafine.

00:55:01 ◼   ► It's truly impressive.

00:55:02 ◼   ► It's fine.

00:55:03 ◼   ► I know it is fine.

00:55:04 ◼   ► time while I saved up for this monstrosity. It is amazing to me what

00:55:11 ◼   ► this technology can do like 10,000 LEDs in the backlight it is up from 72 I

00:55:19 ◼   ► think was originally in the previous iPad Pro. 2,500 local dimming areas where

00:55:27 ◼   ► the Pro Display XDR only has 526 so this will be something that Apple continues

00:55:33 ◼   ► to roll out their rumors that this is going to be on the big MacBook Pro that

00:55:38 ◼   ► we'll see some point later this year probably and it's it's cool to see it

00:55:43 ◼   ► here first and this is one of those things it's like it's kind of it's kind

00:55:46 ◼   ► of a bummer that a lot of people can't get to an Apple store to see it because

00:55:49 ◼   ► I feel like this is something you've got to see and decide if it's something you

00:55:53 ◼   ► care about or the if it will like blow you away in person or not. Does anyone

00:55:58 ◼   ► ever count those things? Like does anyone actually go there and count all the mini LEDs

00:56:05 ◼   ► and all the demons and so on? Do we just... I bet I fix it, try. Do they actually count

00:56:10 ◼   ► them? I don't know. Or do we just take it for granted? Like if I went out and said,

00:56:14 ◼   ► you know on Mac Stories we have 2 million pixels, whatever. Like... I would believe

00:56:19 ◼   ► you. See? Like how would you start counting that even? I mean I wouldn't worry about it.

00:56:26 ◼   ► I don't know.

00:56:27 ◼   ► So just like the XDR, you can get a super expensive stand for it.

00:56:31 ◼   ► Did you guys see this $400 stand for the new iPad?

00:56:36 ◼   ► It's made by Kensington.

00:56:37 ◼   ► It's called the Studio Doc.

00:56:39 ◼   ► Interesting.

00:56:40 ◼   ► I guess that kind of is it, right?

00:56:47 ◼   ► Myke, I would give you a point just for that if I could, but unfortunately I cannot.

00:56:54 ◼   ► I guess the Kensington Studio dock, provided it works, is the display stand for this XDR

00:57:01 ◼   ► display, I guess.

00:57:04 ◼   ► I remember the first time I saw an XDR doing its thing, you know.

00:57:10 ◼   ► I was really impressed by it.

00:57:13 ◼   ► The brightness in certain areas and stuff really is quite impressive.

00:57:18 ◼   ► I was watching a demo and it was like a dark street and there were street lights and the

00:57:23 ◼   ► illuminated street lights was so incredibly bright, right? Because it's doing this the

00:57:28 ◼   ► 1600 nits thing because it was just certain areas. And I was very impressed by it. Like

00:57:33 ◼   ► I felt like I hadn't seen a screen like that before. So I am really intrigued to see how

00:57:39 ◼   ► content looks on this iPad, right? Like I, if it's, if it gives that kind of experience,

00:57:47 ◼   ► like that's going to be a very attractive thing.

00:57:50 ◼   ► It should be even better.

00:57:52 ◼   ► And my guess is that if you didn't know and you just

00:57:56 ◼   ► saw this big iPad Pro, that you may think it's OLED.

00:57:59 ◼   ► If they can really dim it the way

00:58:01 ◼   ► we think they can with that many zones.

00:58:03 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:58:04 ◼   ► Because that's the plan, right?

00:58:06 ◼   ► It's to try and achieve what OLED can do without

00:58:09 ◼   ► the complexities of trying to put an OLED screen in an iPad

00:58:12 ◼   ► Pro.

00:58:15 ◼   ► I mean, I'm very intrigued by it.

00:58:17 ◼   ► I think it could end up being great for all of the things

00:58:20 ◼   ► that you would want to use an iPad for, right?

00:58:22 ◼   ► From content creation, but also to consumption.

00:58:25 ◼   ► You know, like I bet it becomes just like

00:58:26 ◼   ► a very beautiful screen to watch HDR movies on

00:58:30 ◼   ► and stuff like that.

00:58:31 ◼   ► So I am very intrigued to see what it looks like.

00:58:34 ◼   ► - All right.

00:58:38 ◼   ► Round two.

00:58:39 ◼   ► Myke, this is you.

00:58:41 ◼   ► - The iPad Pro gets 5G.

00:58:42 ◼   ► This is only really interesting

00:58:45 ◼   ► because it shows that the M1 can do 5G.

00:58:48 ◼   ► Yep. And if it's not ever on a Mac notebook, we're going to be sad.

00:58:52 ◼   ► Well, cause then it's like, there's no reason except for, I mean, well,

00:58:56 ◼   ► the reason I guess would be Mac OS.

00:58:57 ◼   ► The Mac OS doesn't know what to do with it.

00:58:59 ◼   ► It is simply showing that. I mean, this was so obvious, right? Like this just,

00:59:03 ◼   ► cause if you cast your mind back, uh,

00:59:05 ◼   ► we all thought that the iPad Pro was going to be the first device to get 5g,

00:59:10 ◼   ► right? But they just never updated the iPad Pros at the time that we thought they

00:59:14 ◼   ► were going to, which was last September. So.

00:59:17 ◼   ► 5G. 5G. Alright, Federico. My second pick was only the big iPad Pro gets a new display

00:59:27 ◼   ► technology. I'm so bummed out about this. Hey, where's my bell? Oh. Thank you. I'm so

00:59:36 ◼   ► bummed out about this. Yeah, it was rumored we sort of knew this was happening, but it's

00:59:41 ◼   ► still, like, I still don't understand what exactly the role of the 11-inch iPad Pro is

00:59:47 ◼   ► at this point. I was already thinking this before, especially since the release of the

00:59:52 ◼   ► iPad Air. Now it seems even more true, like, why would you get the 11-inch iPad Pro when

01:00:00 ◼   ► the iPad...

01:00:01 ◼   ► For software? I mean, like, this would be the thing, it's like, if the iPad Pro is the

01:00:05 ◼   ► only iPad that can do something incredible that we think's coming...

01:00:08 ◼   ► Right, we'll see.

01:00:09 ◼   ► it's like, well now you would get the iPad Pro because the iPad Air can't do this or

01:00:13 ◼   ► can't do this nearly as well. It all comes down though to the USB port though at that

01:00:19 ◼   ► point. Or the M1 chip. The M1. If at some point they said, I don't think it would be

01:00:25 ◼   ► this summer, but if at some point a few years from now they said, hey, you gotta have an

01:00:31 ◼   ► M1 for this or that feature, then you would be sort of bummed out. But I think the reason

01:00:36 ◼   ► the 11-inch exists is that 12.9 is just too big for some people. That's laptop

01:00:41 ◼   ► sized. And I think some people, including myself, just view that as an iPad that's

01:00:46 ◼   ► just too big. I'm just very sad that they didn't put-- that they couldn't put the

01:00:51 ◼   ► XDR display in the 11-inch. It'll get there. That's what I would have wanted. You know,

01:00:55 ◼   ► eventually. Mm-hmm. What are y'all gonna do as far as purchasing? Are y'all gonna

01:01:01 ◼   ► upgrade iPads? Yep, obviously. 12.9. Mm-hmm. What about you, Myke? I will not be

01:01:10 ◼   ► buying any for me, no. We are going to upgrade Adina's 12.9. She's using

01:01:17 ◼   ► mild 2018, and she uses it for illustrating, and did a thing that I

01:01:23 ◼   ► didn't know you could do. You can actually wear away the coating on the

01:01:27 ◼   ► iPads if you use the Apple Pencil enough. Did you know that that could happen?

01:01:30 ◼   ► No.

01:01:31 ◼   ► Yeah, and this is the thing, I've found that it's possible, if you are an artist, especially

01:01:38 ◼   ► will have this, because you would typically be drawing in the same spot of the screen,

01:01:42 ◼   ► and if you do that enough, you start to wear away the coating that's on top of it, and

01:01:48 ◼   ► it continues to work, but you can get this thing sometimes where she'll draw one straight

01:01:52 ◼   ► line and it will skip in a few places.

01:01:54 ◼   ► Yikes.

01:01:55 ◼   ► It's kind of weird, didn't know that could happen.

01:01:57 ◼   ► I mean, you know, this is an iPad that's been in very heavy use for this,

01:02:00 ◼   ► and it's multiple years old.

01:02:02 ◼   ► And my thinking was that I was going to upgrade my 12.9 inch iPad Pro,

01:02:08 ◼   ► then she'll get my 2020 and then I would get a 2021.

01:02:11 ◼   ► But I'm not using my 12.9 inch iPad Pro.

01:02:15 ◼   ► So there's no point in in doing that.

01:02:18 ◼   ► I think she's just going to get one instead.

01:02:21 ◼   ► I'll get the chance to see what it looks like, the screen and stuff,

01:02:25 ◼   ► but it won't be for me.

01:02:27 ◼   ► I am holding out, like if they end up announcing something at WWDC that takes advantage of

01:02:33 ◼   ► the M1 iPad Pro, I will replace my 11 inch.

01:02:36 ◼   ► But there isn't enough on the 11 inch iPad Pro for me to want to upgrade from my 2018.

01:02:43 ◼   ► For the usage that I'm getting out of it with the 11 inch, I don't really know if there's

01:02:47 ◼   ► much of a reason right now to upgrade.

01:02:50 ◼   ► If you are an 11 inch iPad Pro user of any kind, I don't know if they've shown enough,

01:02:55 ◼   ► right?

01:02:57 ◼   ► seem fair to say? Mm-hmm I think it does. So I mean I was maybe the only person in

01:03:04 ◼   ► the world to upgrade from a 2018 to 2020 and now I'm not upgrading to 2021. I'd forgotten you had done that.

01:03:10 ◼   ► My niche is a 2018 and I don't really see any reason to upgrade at this point

01:03:16 ◼   ► either. I'm not planning on it. But I'm holding out for whatever might happen

01:03:20 ◼   ► later on. So you reserve the right to upgrade later. I reserve the right to

01:03:24 ◼   ► upgrade post WWDC. So at the end of round two total score Federico 2, Myke 1, and I

01:03:34 ◼   ► have 1. Federico is leading. We'll pick this action back up on the other side of

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01:05:23 ◼   ► of the show and relay FM is time to judge our Ricky picks. My first one, we see some

01:05:33 ◼   ► sort of AR focused hardware.

01:05:35 ◼   ► Well, we told you, I mean, come on. We right. I mean, you knew you were not going to get

01:05:42 ◼   ► this point.

01:05:43 ◼   ► Did I?

01:05:44 ◼   ► No. Did I?

01:05:47 ◼   ► Did you genuinely feel like it was possible?

01:05:49 ◼   ► I thought it was possible that the iPad would pick up something new, like beyond the LiDAR

01:05:55 ◼   ► sensor and that that would answer my pick. I wasn't betting on the glasses.

01:06:00 ◼   ► I feel like we tried to explain this to you, that we would not have given you that pick.

01:06:05 ◼   ► But the letter of the law, you would have had to.

01:06:08 ◼   ► Suggests that it's not AR-focused hardware.

01:06:10 ◼   ► If it was like some new LiDAR array and they were using it for ARKit, that would have been

01:06:16 ◼   ► AR focused hardware.

01:06:17 ◼   ► But they didn't do that, so I didn't get the point.

01:06:20 ◼   ► It's not AR focused hardware, because then you're suggesting that the entire focus of

01:06:24 ◼   ► the iPad is AR.

01:06:25 ◼   ► No, no, no, the focus of the new LiDAR hardware or whatever it was going to be.

01:06:28 ◼   ► That doesn't make any sense.

01:06:29 ◼   ► That's like camera focused cameras.

01:06:31 ◼   ► No, it's not.

01:06:32 ◼   ► Right, like that doesn't make any sense.

01:06:33 ◼   ► You wouldn't say that.

01:06:35 ◼   ► This is my phone focused phone.

01:06:37 ◼   ► That's right.

01:06:38 ◼   ► This is my day focused phone.

01:06:39 ◼   ► Does none of this make any sense?

01:06:40 ◼   ► for none of this makes any sense you were never gonna get this pick well

01:06:43 ◼   ► neither were you wasn't gonna happen no but I knew it two sizes of iMac

01:06:47 ◼   ► announced I knew I wasn't gonna get it but it was Ricky it was all one size I

01:06:51 ◼   ► was six colors plus silver yeah I love it I love the way it looks I think it's

01:06:57 ◼   ► beautiful I love it I adore it I'm gonna order one to review I've decided of

01:07:04 ◼   ► Of course you could flip flop flip flip flop.

01:07:05 ◼   ► I'm not moving to a 24 inch iMac.

01:07:10 ◼   ► Well you say that.

01:07:11 ◼   ► I can't.

01:07:12 ◼   ► You might change your mind.

01:07:13 ◼   ► We'll see.

01:07:14 ◼   ► I can't go to a 24 inch screen.

01:07:15 ◼   ► We'll see, maybe you will.

01:07:16 ◼   ► I have a Mac Pro.

01:07:19 ◼   ► Could you plug your Pro Display into it?

01:07:21 ◼   ► Yes.

01:07:22 ◼   ► Oh.

01:07:23 ◼   ► I'm not doing it.

01:07:24 ◼   ► Oh that's 54 inches now.

01:07:25 ◼   ► No this machine doesn't meet my needs.

01:07:27 ◼   ► I want a bunch of storage inside a computer.

01:07:31 ◼   ► the two terabyte iMac isn't enough free space to hold my home folder anymore. I

01:07:36 ◼   ► can't do it. What are you doing? A lot of stuff. What are you doing? Federico can

01:07:42 ◼   ► you get on board to me with this one? You can't get your home folder on a two

01:07:48 ◼   ► terabyte drive? My home folder is 1.98 terabytes. What are you doing with it? I got all sorts of stuff in here man.

01:07:56 ◼   ► Well I mean that's clearly... Are you a hoarder, Stevens?

01:08:00 ◼   ► I mean we knew that already. So part of it is that I used to keep archived files somewhere else and that's a

01:08:05 ◼   ► terabyte so I guess I could move that to an external. So I want to know now how

01:08:11 ◼   ► much used storage space is in your Mac Pro? Okay I can tell you right now let me

01:08:17 ◼   ► pull this up. So Macintosh HD I've used 4.33 terabytes out of 8 terabytes that's

01:08:25 ◼   ► the boot internal drive. What are you saying? One, a volume I have called

01:08:29 ◼   ► intersect which is a it's actually two four terabyte two and a half inch SSDs

01:08:35 ◼   ► rated and mirror with each other on a card. I've used 1.9 terabytes of that 4

01:08:41 ◼   ► terabyte space. So we're up to 6 terabytes. 3 point, let's see, let's see, 3.7

01:08:49 ◼   ► plus 1.9 it's 5.6 and then with time machine I have used 8.4 terabytes out of

01:08:59 ◼   ► 12 so all in all I'm using 14 terabytes of data inside my computer out of a

01:09:07 ◼   ► possible out of a possible almost 20 terabytes what are you doing this is

01:09:14 ◼   ► pathological. Do you have any data outside of your iMac or your Mac Pro? No, it's all inside the

01:09:21 ◼   ► computer. What are you doing? My devon thinks databases alone are 100 gigabytes. I've got a lot of stuff man.

01:09:27 ◼   ► Yeah but that doesn't... What stuff? So it's all a terabyte of his archive so we want to look in here.

01:09:34 ◼   ► Okay so the relay FM archive. But like videos... The relay FM archive is 470 gigs and it is a copy of...

01:09:41 ◼   ► But like my question would be, why is your computer the place for that?

01:09:47 ◼   ► That surely should be done somewhere else, right?

01:09:50 ◼   ► I mean someone has to have a copy of every MP3 we've ever published that gets updated weekly.

01:09:56 ◼   ► Who else is gonna do it?

01:09:57 ◼   ► That's not the point.

01:09:58 ◼   ► The point is why on your computer?

01:10:01 ◼   ► A computer in the world should have that, I agree.

01:10:04 ◼   ► I don't know if it needs to be in your Mac Pro.

01:10:07 ◼   ► Well it can be.

01:10:08 ◼   ► Sometimes he just likes to open the folder, click the arrow keys and select,

01:10:13 ◼   ► "scheme through", you know?

01:10:14 ◼   ► Put it on shuffle.

01:10:15 ◼   ► I get it. I kinda get it.

01:10:17 ◼   ► Browse that folder with cover flow.

01:10:21 ◼   ► That's right.

01:10:22 ◼   ► But again, I still feel like there's many terabytes, many, many terabytes.

01:10:27 ◼   ► Most of the terabytes not accounted for to this point.

01:10:30 ◼   ► Maybe.

01:10:31 ◼   ► Got a lot of stuff in Dropbox.

01:10:32 ◼   ► Are you doing Plex or something?

01:10:34 ◼   ► No Plex.

01:10:35 ◼   ► What are you storing?

01:10:37 ◼   ► No real movie library either.

01:10:40 ◼   ► That's on a Mac Mini in the house.

01:10:41 ◼   ► Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.

01:10:43 ◼   ► Tell me again how many terabytes?

01:10:45 ◼   ► On my home folder?

01:10:46 ◼   ► My home folder was 1.9.

01:10:48 ◼   ► No, no, no, the whole thing.

01:10:50 ◼   ► Oh, it was...

01:10:51 ◼   ► Not the backup.

01:10:54 ◼   ► Without Time Machine?

01:10:55 ◼   ► Without Time Machine.

01:10:56 ◼   ► Oh, gosh, I already closed the tab.

01:10:57 ◼   ► I feel like you should...

01:10:59 ◼   ► It was 1.9 on the external but internal drive and then 4.3 on the boot drive.

01:11:07 ◼   ► So was it 6 terabytes we decided?

01:11:09 ◼   ► There, there, thereabouts.

01:11:10 ◼   ► So you have 6 terabytes of used storage.

01:11:14 ◼   ► But there is no video in that.

01:11:15 ◼   ► I mean there's video from work but I don't have like my iTunes movie library synced down

01:11:20 ◼   ► or anything.

01:11:21 ◼   ► That is unbelievable.

01:11:22 ◼   ► I cannot fathom this.

01:11:26 ◼   ► Six terabytes of web archives?

01:11:29 ◼   ► A lot of archives.

01:11:30 ◼   ► Is that what it is?

01:11:31 ◼   ► There's some in there.

01:11:33 ◼   ► I'm using 873 gigabytes.

01:11:36 ◼   ► Not very much.

01:11:39 ◼   ► That's what I'm using.

01:11:41 ◼   ► No, it's not much, clearly.

01:11:43 ◼   ► I don't even have an archive.

01:11:46 ◼   ► So in the cloud, baby!

01:11:49 ◼   ► Steven, I can't even fathom.

01:11:52 ◼   ► That's unbelievable.

01:11:53 ◼   ► I had no idea that it had gotten this bad.

01:11:55 ◼   ► There's a lot of stuff in here. I mean part of it is like the mythical man month thing not mythical man month

01:12:01 ◼   ► What's the chat room help me out? What's the theory that like work will take the allotted time?

01:12:06 ◼   ► That sort of thing like what?

01:12:08 ◼   ► You know like if you have six hours for a project

01:12:12 ◼   ► If you have six hours for a project Parkinson's law, thank you

01:12:16 ◼   ► If you have six hours allotted for a project you only think it's gonna take three it will actually take six

01:12:20 ◼   ► So like I have this space so I fill it up. You're just expanding within the space that you have

01:12:25 ◼   ► Yeah, but...

01:12:26 ◼   ► Wait, what kind of law is that?

01:12:28 ◼   ► Right, but there must have been a point where you decided to grow it, though, right?

01:12:32 ◼   ► Like, it wasn't like you went from 256 gigabytes to 12 terabytes.

01:12:36 ◼   ► I mean, I used to not have a copy of everything that Relay's ever published, for instance,

01:12:40 ◼   ► so that's newish.

01:12:41 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:12:42 ◼   ► Devin thinks new in the last year, so that's a bunch of stuff.

01:12:45 ◼   ► This is about half a terabyte so far, so again, there's still a lot of stuff.

01:12:50 ◼   ► I mean, maybe I got some stuff I don't know about.

01:12:54 ◼   ► Are you sure you don't have like a corrupt file or something?

01:12:57 ◼   ► Yeah, that's just like quadrupling every second.

01:13:01 ◼   ► Are you sure it's not that?

01:13:02 ◼   ► Because I mean, if it's not video.

01:13:06 ◼   ► Let's see.

01:13:06 ◼   ► Let's see how big my user library folder is.

01:13:08 ◼   ► Because if I have a runaway log--

01:13:10 ◼   ► It's like a cache or something.

01:13:12 ◼   ► Yeah, let's see.

01:13:13 ◼   ► This is truly unbelievable.

01:13:14 ◼   ► Maybe I do have something wrong.

01:13:17 ◼   ► Well, my log file is only a gigabyte,

01:13:19 ◼   ► so that's not too scary.

01:13:20 ◼   ► Let's see what cache is.

01:13:21 ◼   ► I mean, six terabytes.

01:13:23 ◼   ► It's six--

01:13:23 ◼   ► I apologize. I'm using 1.1 terabytes is what I'm using.

01:13:28 ◼   ► Yeah, see I'm only 800 gigs ahead of you. So it's not that wild.

01:13:31 ◼   ► No, no, no, no, no. That is everything I have, Stephen.

01:13:35 ◼   ► Oh, yeah.

01:13:36 ◼   ► Ooh, right?

01:13:37 ◼   ► Two gigabytes of caches.

01:13:38 ◼   ► I haven't got like 70 terabytes scrolled away somewhere. That's everything.

01:13:44 ◼   ► I know, I got a lot of stuff.

01:13:45 ◼   ► Look, if there's stuff in that archive that you cannot mention on the show, I understand.

01:13:52 ◼   ► No. Okay. Oh, but like for instance, I have, okay, I'll show you, I'll tell you some other

01:13:58 ◼   ► stuff I have. I have 11 gigabytes of mail. Apparently I took a long time to crawl. Um,

01:14:03 ◼   ► archives. I have every PDF I made at my college newspaper. Like, oh, cause I need those.

01:14:11 ◼   ► Yeah. But you see, okay. So how big is that?

01:14:15 ◼   ► Guarantee you don't need. Let's see how big that is. That folder is seven gigs.

01:14:21 ◼   ► Alright. No, none of this is adding up.

01:14:24 ◼   ► Like, you keep saying, "Oh, I have all this stuff." It's like 25 megabytes.

01:14:29 ◼   ► It's not like you just said, "Oh, I have the entire historical archive of the New York Times."

01:14:35 ◼   ► No, it's 7 gigabytes of PDF documents.

01:14:37 ◼   ► I mean, I do have...

01:14:39 ◼   ► I'm using 6 terabytes of space, but everything's broken down into 10 gigabytes.

01:14:42 ◼   ► So like, most of that intersect drive, which I now see I could just make internal to my boot

01:14:47 ◼   ► disk so I made it that just to simplify things I do have some stuff on there

01:14:51 ◼   ► that's like tech history and tech content I can't talk about where I got

01:14:55 ◼   ► it so like the Apple history folder on that drive is a terabyte so that's one

01:15:03 ◼   ► six is like Apple history stuff that's not in dev and think and most of that is

01:15:07 ◼   ► video or PDFs that I just haven't gotten around to putting a dev and think

01:15:13 ◼   ► man I have 78 gigabytes I don't know we went from AR to this somehow we went

01:15:25 ◼   ► from two sizes of iMac yes I think the idea was Steven couldn't move to an iMac

01:15:29 ◼   ► because he wouldn't have in but see did this this idea of internal storage

01:15:33 ◼   ► doesn't mean anything anyway if you got like a bunch of drives put them in a

01:15:39 ◼   ► carrier bag and tape them to the back of the iMac it's basically the same thing

01:15:43 ◼   ► Yeah, and that's how I used to do it with the iMac Pro. Yes. But I don't want to do it, I want it inside.

01:15:50 ◼   ► I really like this. Yes, I'm aware of this. Okay. I'm just happy you're happy, you know.

01:15:59 ◼   ► Yeah. Alright, so neither of us got our our Ricky picks, so we have each lost a point. Federico.

01:16:06 ◼   ► Well, we need to talk about this though.

01:16:08 ◼   ► So I said the iPad Pro with an updated USB 4/Thunderbolt port features a new kind of

01:16:16 ◼   ► support for external displays.

01:16:19 ◼   ► Can I just jump in here?

01:16:21 ◼   ► Yes.

01:16:22 ◼   ► Because I don't think you got this.

01:16:25 ◼   ► I agree, actually.

01:16:28 ◼   ► So I think in the spirit of the pick, this is not a point.

01:16:33 ◼   ► But if we were to go down on a technicality here, I think it is a point.

01:16:40 ◼   ► Because a new kind...

01:16:42 ◼   ► We specifically said, "Do you want to add all of the things that are in the document

01:16:47 ◼   ► as part of the pick?"

01:16:48 ◼   ► And I said, "No, that is just context."

01:16:51 ◼   ► Going from partial to better, or slightly better, support on the Proteus Lay XDR...

01:16:58 ◼   ► Technically, up to 6K resolution is a new...

01:17:01 ◼   ► I don't think this is a new kind of support. I just don't think that...

01:17:07 ◼   ► And I just want to state for the record, if you didn't get this point, you would still

01:17:11 ◼   ► win.

01:17:12 ◼   ► Yes. I know. That is not... It's just... We need to debate here because the Bill of

01:17:19 ◼   ► Rickeys doesn't mention the spirit of the pick.

01:17:22 ◼   ► But I don't even think this is a spirit of the pick question. I don't think that this

01:17:27 ◼   ► is a new kind of support for external displays.

01:17:30 ◼   ► It's a new kind of support.

01:17:34 ◼   ► But I don't think it is a new kind of support.

01:17:37 ◼   ► It's the same kind of support.

01:17:38 ◼   ► It can just drive bigger displays.

01:17:40 ◼   ► I don't think that this is a new kind of anything.

01:17:44 ◼   ► It's just more of an existing thing.

01:17:47 ◼   ► I agree with Myke.

01:17:48 ◼   ► I don't think you get this because it supported the produce displays here at 5k before, but

01:17:54 ◼   ► it's not new.

01:17:56 ◼   ► new, like it's just a little bit better and I think what you really, I think what

01:18:02 ◼   ► people think about when they hear that pick is, you know, apps that actually use

01:18:06 ◼   ► the external display. Everything you wrote afterwards, any of those things. Yeah, I don't

01:18:11 ◼   ► care, I just wanted to get the additional points, I mean I still win anyway.

01:18:15 ◼   ► You still win, you still win. I mean look, I'm not saying you don't get it here, like

01:18:20 ◼   ► I'm not putting my foot down, right, or I'm not gonna go on strike, I'm just saying

01:18:25 ◼   ► my read on this was that it didn't hit the... Yeah, I know, I know, I don't particularly

01:18:33 ◼   ► care, I just wanted to try, you know, if I can swing it. So are we agreeing that nobody

01:18:39 ◼   ► got their rookies? Nobody got their rookies. Because if you remember, we then went on to

01:18:44 ◼   ► talk for a long time about software support and you thought they would do it and I thought

01:18:50 ◼   ► they wouldn't do it and that was like this whole long conversation, like this is the

01:18:54 ◼   ► kind of stuff we were expecting. And I agree, that wasn't your pick. We didn't include it

01:18:57 ◼   ► in the pick. But I think that none of us were thinking it's going to be able to support

01:19:02 ◼   ► the Pro Display XDR at a higher resolution and that counts.

01:19:06 ◼   ► Sorry, Federico. So at the end...

01:19:10 ◼   ► No, sorry for what I won.

01:19:12 ◼   ► Yeah, you're the winner. There's no apologies necessary. You won.

01:19:16 ◼   ► So here's the score. Federico won. So congratulations.

01:19:20 ◼   ► Thank you.

01:19:21 ◼   ► keynote chairman, so you will get access to the Twitter account this weekend. I have zero

01:19:28 ◼   ► and Myke has zero. So we have to flip a coin. Now historically, I have never won a coin

01:19:33 ◼   ► toss. And I always win them. And you always win them. I believe, and again, maybe someone

01:19:39 ◼   ► will have to check this, I believe I have won every coin toss that we've done. Maybe.

01:19:47 ◼   ► We should add some spice to this coin toss this time.

01:19:53 ◼   ► We should ask not Siri, but Alexa.

01:19:58 ◼   ► And we should ask Alexa in Italian.

01:20:01 ◼   ► But how are we going to be able to verify?

01:20:04 ◼   ► Well, you're going to have to trust me on this.

01:20:08 ◼   ► Okay, I trust you.

01:20:09 ◼   ► Also, I'm going to Apple pay you 20 bucks.

01:20:14 ◼   ► Steven, you can pick.

01:20:16 ◼   ► Okay, I pick heads.

01:20:18 ◼   ► So for context, heads in Italian would be testa and what's the other one?

01:20:26 ◼   ► Tails would be croce.

01:20:28 ◼   ► So instead of doing heads or tails, we do heads and cross for whatever reason.

01:20:35 ◼   ► So Steven, who are you?

01:20:38 ◼   ► Heads.

01:20:39 ◼   ► Okay.

01:20:40 ◼   ► Alexa, testa or croce?

01:20:44 ◼   ► What?

01:20:45 ◼   ► How's your echo treating you now, friend? Oh, let me get the smart one involved.

01:20:51 ◼   ► Oh, Siri's so bad. Is Italian not enabled for the bedroom, Alexa?

01:20:58 ◼   ► Really? Oh, look at this. Look. Oh, it's so confusing.

01:21:00 ◼   ► Nobody knows how it works. You've got to enable things.

01:21:03 ◼   ► You think you'd use Italian in the bedroom? Hey.

01:21:07 ◼   ► Why do I do these things? Why do I do these things to myself and have this too?

01:21:11 ◼   ► you've done now you're like how about we bring a being a smart assistant into this conversation

01:21:16 ◼   ► see it wasn't it wasn't set on the double language of course it wasn't uh english italian obviously

01:21:25 ◼   ► updating your language may take a few minutes see jayce it was not a problem of the echo obviously

01:21:32 ◼   ► it sounds like it was a problem no it was my fault i just started talking to you

01:21:38 ◼   ► forgot to set it to English Italian.

01:21:41 ◼   ► OK, so let's try again.

01:21:42 ◼   ► See if the setting actually took over.

01:21:46 ◼   ► Alexa, test of crochet.

01:21:49 ◼   ► Well, it's not doing anything.

01:21:51 ◼   ► Oh my gosh, for sure.

01:21:52 ◼   ► I just beat--

01:21:52 ◼   ► Just ask Siri.

01:21:54 ◼   ► Yeah, the amount of anticipation now it's building.

01:21:59 ◼   ► See, it's tails.

01:22:01 ◼   ► Did you guys hear that?

01:22:03 ◼   ► Does that mean I won?

01:22:05 ◼   ► Yep.

01:22:06 ◼   ► I forgot.

01:22:07 ◼   ► Oh, excellent.

01:22:08 ◼   ► she said crotchey so i win again so steven you are oh is it best of one best of one hero

01:22:15 ◼   ► to zero yeah it's always a one thing hero to zero we've gone from keynote chairman to

01:22:19 ◼   ► loser wait people are saying that they couldn't hear but we trust you yeah we trust you so

01:22:24 ◼   ► that's that okay no it was fine no i accept i accept

01:22:34 ◼   ► I'm pretty sure if you listen again you can make that out, I'm sure.

01:22:40 ◼   ► So up next we have the Flexis.

01:22:42 ◼   ► Let me remind you of what the Bill of Rickey says about the Flexis.

01:22:52 ◼   ► Loser of the Flexis must compensate the winner of the Flexis by donating to the charity of

01:22:57 ◼   ► the winner's choice.

01:22:58 ◼   ► The amount of the donation is $25 per wrong Flexi made by the loser.

01:23:03 ◼   ► In the case of a tie, the ratio of correct to incorrect flexies will be taken into account.

01:23:09 ◼   ► Each host must make a minimum of 5 flexi picks.

01:23:14 ◼   ► Flexis may be reused as future flexis or regular picks and the money must be donated on air.

01:23:22 ◼   ► (music)

01:23:27 ◼   ► All right since I won the previous time I get to go first

01:23:32 ◼   ► The iPod touch is taken down from sale in the wake of the event

01:23:38 ◼   ► It's still for sale. Yeah, we see Jaws introduce something

01:23:46 ◼   ► Nope

01:23:51 ◼   ► The next one we probably need to talk about the magic keyboard for iPad

01:23:55 ◼   ► goes unchanged

01:23:58 ◼   ► It's been changed in two ways so it comes in white now

01:24:02 ◼   ► That's the change is it and it's and it physically is different dimensions now

01:24:09 ◼   ► So I lost another change that way you lost that one I

01:24:12 ◼   ► Actually technically get this one right Apple did not say air tags. No mention of air tags

01:24:19 ◼   ► No, get out of here. Get out of town. Nice try.

01:24:22 ◼   ► A new iPad comes in a new color for its line. The poor iPad mini didn't even get mentioned.

01:24:27 ◼   ► No, man.

01:24:29 ◼   ► Apple announces something with podcasts.

01:24:31 ◼   ► [DING]

01:24:34 ◼   ► So I have one Flexi. It's not good.

01:24:39 ◼   ► Mine were. Apple talks about app tracking transparency in iOS 14.5. They did not.

01:24:46 ◼   ► Yeah, they just didn't say anything.

01:24:48 ◼   ► So I have a question. My next one is new iPad Pro accessory. Now Logitech...

01:24:53 ◼   ► No, no, no, no, no.

01:24:55 ◼   ► No, no, come on, listen. Wait, wait. Logitech worked with Apple to create the combo touch

01:25:04 ◼   ► for iPad.

01:25:05 ◼   ► Nice try.

01:25:06 ◼   ► No, I'm not gonna get that?

01:25:07 ◼   ► Logitech worked in collaboration with Apple Incorporated to create...

01:25:17 ◼   ► You don't need to spell out the full business name. It doesn't sound more convincing if

01:25:23 ◼   ► you do that.

01:25:24 ◼   ► No, this is not going to fly. I'm trying my hardest here.

01:25:29 ◼   ► What does the Discord think? Is Logitech working with Apple Incorporated? I don't think it's

01:25:37 ◼   ► a point, Myke.

01:25:38 ◼   ► Would you say Ryan says they didn't discuss it in the keynote? Ryan, that's not the end

01:25:41 ◼   ► of the rules. It is anything that we know about by the time we judge. Wow, people say

01:25:46 ◼   ► no, overwhelmingly.

01:25:47 ◼   ► I mean of course it's no, I'm not an idiot, I'm just trying!

01:25:51 ◼   ► I know this doesn't count!

01:25:54 ◼   ► But see, I respect the strategy.

01:25:56 ◼   ► I will give you a point just for that.

01:25:58 ◼   ► I know that this doesn't count.

01:26:00 ◼   ► Like, whilst technically it is a new iPad accessory, it's almost like if I would have

01:26:04 ◼   ► suggested about all of the Belkin AirTag things.

01:26:07 ◼   ► This isn't what I meant.

01:26:08 ◼   ► Everybody knows I meant Apple creating a new Apple Pencil or something.

01:26:12 ◼   ► Or not a new Apple, like a brand new type of thing.

01:26:15 ◼   ► 14.5 dropping within 24 hours?

01:26:17 ◼   ► Nope.

01:26:17 ◼   ► That's not happening.

01:26:18 ◼   ► AirTags unveiled.

01:26:20 ◼   ► Now this one's the real heartbreaker for me.

01:26:22 ◼   ► You can buy AirTags in a three-pack.

01:26:24 ◼   ► Oh man, you said three-pack.

01:26:26 ◼   ► I said three-pack.

01:26:27 ◼   ► Why didn't I just say multi-pack?

01:26:29 ◼   ► I don't know why I needed to state three.

01:26:32 ◼   ► That's what the rumor was, I think.

01:26:35 ◼   ► Yes.

01:26:36 ◼   ► Yeah, if you would say multi-pack,

01:26:37 ◼   ► you would have had it green.

01:26:38 ◼   ► Oh, I need to give you a bell for your AirTags.

01:26:41 ◼   ► There you go.

01:26:42 ◼   ► Oh, thank you so much.

01:26:43 ◼   ► All right.

01:26:44 ◼   ► And the camera on the iPad Pro moves to the long side.

01:26:47 ◼   ► Nope.

01:26:48 ◼   ► It's ultra wide and does a weird thing where it can shift around the image to keep you in frame.

01:26:54 ◼   ► Center stage, yes.

01:26:56 ◼   ► But no long side iPad Pro camera.

01:26:59 ◼   ► So what is it, one one, me and Steven, right?

01:27:03 ◼   ► Yes, we now get to my fun flexes.

01:27:07 ◼   ► So, number one, new case colors for the iPhone.

01:27:11 ◼   ► Yep.

01:27:13 ◼   ► sure. Purple. A bunch of other stuff. Number two, Driver Kit comes to our website to let

01:27:23 ◼   ► more kinds of accessories be supported on iPad. I mean, I am probably going to reuse this at WWDC

01:27:30 ◼   ► at some point because it sure does feel like... Yes, and we can reuse Flexi. If this had been your

01:27:36 ◼   ► risky pick you cannot reuse it. Yep, yep. Number three, shortcuts gets new actions or triggers

01:27:44 ◼   ► for USB connections on iPad. You were really expecting a lot in that release. I was, I mean,

01:27:50 ◼   ► but it gets better, hold on. Number four, hypervisor comes to iPad to allow for virtual

01:27:57 ◼   ► machines. So again, I do think, especially now that there's the M1 in iPad Pro, I really do

01:28:05 ◼   ► feel like at some point in the future they will support virtualization like they do on

01:28:10 ◼   ► Mac OS. But not today. So, yeah. Now, I put this in yellow, but I think it's a point.

01:28:21 ◼   ► Apple updates the standard Bluetooth Magic Keyboard.

01:28:25 ◼   ► I don't know how there's any contention this is a point. They did.

01:28:28 ◼   ► No it's not. No, no it's not.

01:28:30 ◼   ► Wait, what?

01:28:31 ◼   ► It's not a point.

01:28:32 ◼   ► Why?

01:28:33 ◼   ► Bluetooth Magic Keyboard did not get an update. The keyboard that comes with the iMac did,

01:28:39 ◼   ► but you can't buy this on its own. No, that doesn't matter. It's the Ma- It is the standard

01:28:46 ◼   ► Bluetooth Magic Keyboard. No it's not, the standard one is that anyone can go in and buy,

01:28:49 ◼   ► and you can't buy one of these. No, no, no, no. Standard was only in there because he meant not

01:28:56 ◼   ► iPad. That's what that meant. No, then he should have clarified. It doesn't get it. No, I'm sorry,

01:29:01 ◼   ► I'm sorry man, he gets this. I think this is a point. I think this is a point.

01:29:05 ◼   ► Would you want to just lose another coin flip? Because that's how it's going.

01:29:08 ◼   ► I got a coin flip with you either way.

01:29:10 ◼   ► Well, no. Well, no, Myke is the loser.

01:29:14 ◼   ► No, we each made six picks.

01:29:16 ◼   ► Oh, yeah, you gotta flip a coin.

01:29:18 ◼   ► Remember, if Myke had stuck with five...

01:29:20 ◼   ► Yeah, I put the sixth pick in there.

01:29:22 ◼   ► I would have lost, but he went with the sixth one. He got greedy.

01:29:24 ◼   ► I mean, come on, they literally announced a bunch of new Magic Keyboards.

01:29:29 ◼   ► But it's not...

01:29:30 ◼   ► Federico, I am with you on this.

01:29:32 ◼   ► I am with you on this.

01:29:33 ◼   ► Grrr!

01:29:34 ◼   ► It's not the regular keyboard.

01:29:35 ◼   ► It is, it is.

01:29:36 ◼   ► They're just not selling it with other products, like, because it won't work with the iMac.

01:29:40 ◼   ► Also, Steven...

01:29:41 ◼   ► It is the new Magic Keyboard.

01:29:42 ◼   ► That's what it's going to look like.

01:29:44 ◼   ► The pic says "Apple Updates", not "Apple Puts Up For Sale".

01:29:48 ◼   ► Oh!

01:29:49 ◼   ► Oh!

01:29:50 ◼   ► That's common!

01:29:51 ◼   ► But no, the word "standard".

01:29:52 ◼   ► The standard...

01:29:54 ◼   ► It is the standard!

01:29:55 ◼   ► No, it's not!

01:29:56 ◼   ► It's just...

01:29:57 ◼   ► It means not magic keyboard for the iPad.

01:30:00 ◼   ► It doesn't work with 95% of Macs sold and you can't go in and buy it.

01:30:05 ◼   ► It's not the standard Bluetooth keyboard.

01:30:06 ◼   ► Alright, so if they said "Oh, we're putting it on sale" you would accept that?

01:30:11 ◼   ► That doesn't make any sense.

01:30:12 ◼   ► If they had gotten rid of the one that's on my desk and replaced it with one of these...

01:30:16 ◼   ► Well, they would have had to have gotten rid of it to update it?

01:30:19 ◼   ► Yeah, they didn't update it.

01:30:21 ◼   ► Yeah, that's...

01:30:22 ◼   ► I think we need a third party.

01:30:24 ◼   ► I refuse to give this up.

01:30:26 ◼   ► So let me see if I can find somebody.

01:30:28 ◼   ► - Wow.

01:30:29 ◼   ► - All right.

01:30:30 ◼   ► - I'm gonna text Jason.

01:30:31 ◼   ► - I mean, I'm not a hundred percent sure

01:30:32 ◼   ► 'cause it's two to one, but.

01:30:34 ◼   ► - This is like, this is I'm being robbed of my flexes here.

01:30:38 ◼   ► Like this is absurd.

01:30:39 ◼   ► Like everybody knows that there's a new Magic Keyboard

01:30:42 ◼   ► for desktop and you're hanging this victory

01:30:45 ◼   ► on a technicality for the word standard.

01:30:49 ◼   ► - Yeah.

01:30:50 ◼   ► - So for context, Steve Trouton Smith is texting me

01:30:53 ◼   ► right now saying you totally get that point.

01:30:55 ◼   ► But I'm not texting him.

01:30:57 ◼   ► Hang on, hang on.

01:30:59 ◼   ► Are you asking Jason to come on the show

01:31:01 ◼   ► or are you just asking him the question?

01:31:02 ◼   ► All right.

01:31:03 ◼   ► If anyone comes on this show, I'm asking the question.

01:31:06 ◼   ► Yeah, 'cause it's between me and Federico.

01:31:08 ◼   ► 'Cause you two can't be trusted.

01:31:10 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:31:11 ◼   ► Okay.

01:31:12 ◼   ► So if we can find someone to come in

01:31:14 ◼   ► and answer this question for us,

01:31:16 ◼   ► then I'm the one who's gonna be doing the asking around here.

01:31:20 ◼   ► This is ridiculous.

01:31:21 ◼   ► The fact that we got this adjudicated.

01:31:22 ◼   ► We do.

01:31:23 ◼   ► It's just ridiculous.

01:31:24 ◼   ► I won't let it go.

01:31:25 ◼   ► - See, even John agrees.

01:31:27 ◼   ► Even John, I mean, come on.

01:31:29 ◼   ► - All right, Jason's gonna come on.

01:31:32 ◼   ► - We all know it.

01:31:33 ◼   ► - Aye, aye, aye.

01:31:36 ◼   ► - All right, I just sent him the Zoom link.

01:31:38 ◼   ► He should be joining us.

01:31:39 ◼   ► Hello, Mr. Snell.

01:31:40 ◼   ► Hello, boys.

01:31:41 ◼   ► What seems to be the problem?

01:31:43 ◼   ► - Hello, Jason.

01:31:43 ◼   ► - Jason, I'm gonna read you a question,

01:31:47 ◼   ► and I just want you to say,

01:31:50 ◼   ► well, I'm gonna read you a pic,

01:31:51 ◼   ► and I want you to say whether this pick was correct or incorrect.

01:31:55 ◼   ► -Alright. -"Apple updates the standard Bluetooth Magic Keyboard, the desktop one."

01:32:01 ◼   ► -That's correct. -See? Ha! In your face, Aachen!

01:32:06 ◼   ► -Can I make my case to you, Jason?

01:32:09 ◼   ► -I mean, I already said yes, but sure, go ahead.

01:32:11 ◼   ► -I mean, what jury brings back a verdict before hearing closing arguments?

01:32:16 ◼   ► -I don't know. It's the Ricky's. Weird things happen, but go ahead.

01:32:19 ◼   ► -It's actually just the flexies.

01:32:20 ◼   ► - We're just arguing over something that doesn't matter.

01:32:22 ◼   ► - This is a, there's cash on the line though.

01:32:24 ◼   ► - There is.

01:32:25 ◼   ► - It's for charity.

01:32:26 ◼   ► - Apple didn't, Apple updated the iMac keyboard,

01:32:29 ◼   ► but you can't go into an Apple store and buy one of these.

01:32:32 ◼   ► So it's not the standard Bluetooth magic keyboard.

01:32:35 ◼   ► - I get, I get what you're saying,

01:32:41 ◼   ► but this is clearly the,

01:32:45 ◼   ► as soon as they have enough of them to sell them separately,

01:32:48 ◼   ► of course they're gonna sell them.

01:32:50 ◼   ► was so good is I just made this point.

01:32:53 ◼   ► So happy.

01:32:54 ◼   ► - And so to say, it's like, oh no, no, no,

01:32:58 ◼   ► it's not available to the general public yet.

01:33:02 ◼   ► And therefore it's some weird side keyboard

01:33:04 ◼   ► that will never be, I mean,

01:33:06 ◼   ► we all know that it's gonna be there eventually.

01:33:09 ◼   ► And it is the next one.

01:33:11 ◼   ► - Amazing.

01:33:12 ◼   ► And also another part of this,

01:33:14 ◼   ► which I was leaning on Jason was by saying standard,

01:33:18 ◼   ► Federico meant not the iPad one.

01:33:21 ◼   ► - Yes, exactly.

01:33:22 ◼   ► - So. - Exactly.

01:33:23 ◼   ► It's a new standard being set right now.

01:33:26 ◼   ► - Jason, I'm so pleased that you came in

01:33:28 ◼   ► to talk some sense into Steven.

01:33:30 ◼   ► This was a very long argument that you'll hear later.

01:33:33 ◼   ► This has been going on for a very long time.

01:33:34 ◼   ► - I look forward to it.

01:33:36 ◼   ► (laughing)

01:33:39 ◼   ► It's, this is what happens when you do connected on Fridays.

01:33:41 ◼   ► It's very confusing.

01:33:42 ◼   ► Yes, yes it is.

01:33:43 ◼   ► - I know.

01:33:44 ◼   ► - We're all very upset.

01:33:45 ◼   ► Thank you, Jason.

01:33:47 ◼   ► - Thanks for nothing.

01:33:48 ◼   ► Thanks boys. Stephen I have a question for you. Did you pick Jason explicitly because

01:33:55 ◼   ► you thought he was going to agree? No. Be honest. Okay, that's fair. I just wanted

01:34:00 ◼   ► to know if you thought he would agree with you. Anyway, flexing number six. The new iPad

01:34:05 ◼   ► Pro comes with the new gun charger. A lot of people thought you said gun charger the

01:34:11 ◼   ► last episode? A gun charger! You can charge your water gun. Sure. Like the, what was the

01:34:21 ◼   ► Nintendo gun thing called? The Superscope! Yeah, it's like one of those. You shoot it

01:34:26 ◼   ► at the screen. Easy. Gun charger. Anyway, that would be two flexes out of six. Clean

01:34:35 ◼   ► Clean up, clean up for Federico.

01:34:37 ◼   ► Making me the winner of the flexes as well.

01:34:41 ◼   ► So now you get to do another coin flip.

01:34:44 ◼   ► Now we do, okay, so now let me point the microphone at the...

01:34:46 ◼   ► Steven, do you want to choose this time?

01:34:48 ◼   ► I will let you choose this time.

01:34:50 ◼   ► Okay, I'm gonna go with heads.

01:34:52 ◼   ► Always go with heads.

01:34:53 ◼   ► Alright, so mic is heads, which again is testa in Italian.

01:34:57 ◼   ► Testa.

01:34:58 ◼   ► One again!

01:34:59 ◼   ► I'm king of the coin flip.

01:35:04 ◼   ► It's kind of funny, I have never had to choose a charity or pay a charity for the Flexis.

01:35:09 ◼   ► It's always been between the two of you.

01:35:11 ◼   ► So the Flexis, Federico won, then Myke, then me, lost by coin toss, same as the picks.

01:35:18 ◼   ► So I have to donate $25 per wrong pick.

01:35:24 ◼   ► Oh my gosh.

01:35:25 ◼   ► I had five wrong picks.

01:35:29 ◼   ► So where am I spending my $125 Federico?

01:35:32 ◼   ► Oh, oh, you know what?

01:35:35 ◼   ► I if possible, let's see, let's see if we can do this.

01:35:40 ◼   ► I would like you to donate to help out our friends in India.

01:35:46 ◼   ► Let's see if maybe the American Red Cross, probably the Red Cross.

01:35:51 ◼   ► I reckon probably the Red Cross.

01:35:53 ◼   ► Yeah, let's see.

01:35:55 ◼   ► I'm still looking on their site.

01:35:56 ◼   ► The Indian Red Cross.

01:35:57 ◼   ► But I don't know if that's true, actually.

01:36:00 ◼   ► I'm seeing if you can like tell them where to

01:36:03 ◼   ► Yeah, put it. It doesn't look like you can but I can donate to them

01:36:08 ◼   ► 125 I want to support

01:36:11 ◼   ► The okay, so I have options disaster relief

01:36:15 ◼   ► spring tornadoes and floods where it's needed most your local Red Cross which would be Memphis I guess and then

01:36:22 ◼   ► They have like a blood services division. I feel like where it's needed most

01:36:26 ◼   ► probably where to give

01:36:29 ◼   ► I'm gonna dedicate this gift to a friend or loved one

01:36:31 ◼   ► Federico

01:36:34 ◼   ► Fattichi what if I'm both oh they support Apple pay that's nice

01:36:38 ◼   ► Apple pays coming up have an Intel Mac so it takes a long time to realize I'm wearing an Apple watch all right

01:36:44 ◼   ► It is done

01:36:45 ◼   ► All right

01:36:47 ◼   ► $125 that was a bad today is not my day

01:36:50 ◼   ► No, you have not done well today my friend. I'm sorry

01:36:54 ◼   ► I was not expecting this kind of end for the Ricky's and the flexes and Jason and all that shouting going on.

01:37:02 ◼   ► I need a drink.

01:37:05 ◼   ► Completely middle of the road.

01:37:06 ◼   ► But I won everything! In your face both of you!

01:37:09 ◼   ► [Laughter]

01:37:13 ◼   ► There it is. That's what we were looking for.

01:37:16 ◼   ► Ah, that feels nice.

01:37:18 ◼   ► Ah, back where I belong.

01:37:20 ◼   ► Finally got a win back, huh? It's been a long time for you.

01:37:22 ◼   ► back where I belong, sitting on the throne. You may only get like seven weeks or so, right,

01:37:30 ◼   ► with this? Especially if you're going to start talking about Hypervisor again. I think you

01:37:33 ◼   ► Mira, I think you said another year, right? That's not the annual one. I think you said

01:37:41 ◼   ► I will continue winning. You said, I think I heard that and I think you're right, Myke.

01:37:46 ◼   ► I want to make sure the best of luck.

01:37:48 ◼   ► All these events.

01:37:49 ◼   ► Oh, that feels nice.

01:37:52 ◼   ► Where's my password?

01:37:53 ◼   ► I get.

01:37:53 ◼   ► I'll send it to you.

01:37:55 ◼   ► Thank you.

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01:38:18 ◼   ► You can find Federico on Twitter as Vittici, V I T I C C I.

01:38:23 ◼   ► And he's the editor in chief of max stories.net.

01:38:26 ◼   ► Federico, I have a question for you.

01:38:28 ◼   ► Okay.

01:38:29 ◼   ► Tell me about a time where you chose to have mercy on somebody.

01:38:32 ◼   ► Not now.

01:38:33 ◼   ► Uh, actually a bunch of times.

01:38:37 ◼   ► Wasn't today.

01:38:40 ◼   ► I could have sued my former and only employer when I was 20 for a lot of money.

01:38:51 ◼   ► Like a lot of money.

01:38:53 ◼   ► And I didn't do that.

01:38:55 ◼   ► Because I was lazy, is the first reason.

01:38:59 ◼   ► Like it was a whole thing.

01:39:01 ◼   ► It's like...

01:39:02 ◼   ► I don't think you can claim mercy for being lazy.

01:39:06 ◼   ► But no, no, hold on.

01:39:10 ◼   ► I also felt like I didn't want to start off my career as an independent on that kind of

01:39:23 ◼   ► note.

01:39:24 ◼   ► You know, like I, so this is probably going to sound stupid.

01:39:28 ◼   ► I felt like it was going to bring me bad luck to do that.

01:39:33 ◼   ► I don't know.

01:39:34 ◼   ► It's like, you really want to go independent and, and you know, get your money by suing

01:39:39 ◼   ► somebody? I don't know. So, like, I kind of had merged, and, like, and my family disagreed with me.

01:39:47 ◼   ► My accountant was furious. But ultimately I decided, you know what, like, it is what it is, whatever.

01:39:56 ◼   ► I didn't want to do that. And also, like, now, looking back, I'll tell you, I'm actually grateful

01:40:07 ◼   ► for that person who fired me, because it allowed me to do what I do right now and to say these

01:40:16 ◼   ► words in front of a microphone at this very moment.

01:40:19 ◼   ► Like actually, I'm pretty grateful to that person.

01:40:23 ◼   ► Without them, you never would have won the Rookies.

01:40:26 ◼   ► Exactly.

01:40:27 ◼   ► So look at all this joy and victories that that person firing me brought me over the

01:40:33 ◼   ► years.

01:40:34 ◼   ► And so yeah, I guess I was merciful at the time. Now, like, if I were to run into this

01:40:42 ◼   ► person in Viterbo, I would actually go for the handshake. I mean, if we ever go back

01:40:48 ◼   ► to that kind of situation. But like, no hard feelings, you know? Like, you fired me, you

01:40:55 ◼   ► were... let's say an idiot at the time. But whatever, all is good now. So, you know, whatever.

01:41:04 ◼   ► fine it sounds like you were the bigger person and that's good yeah yeah it's

01:41:08 ◼   ► also no I don't think it's good energy to to keep you know yeah yeah yeah so I

01:41:15 ◼   ► like it it was mostly for that reason you could find Myke on Twitter as I am y

01:41:20 ◼   ► ke he's the host of a bunch of shows here on relay FM and twitch streams

01:41:25 ◼   ► about keyboards most Fridays at Myke dot live I just wanted to say for people

01:41:32 ◼   ► people want to check it out. On Monday's episode of Upgrade, we have a really great interview

01:41:37 ◼   ► with two people who work over at Apple. So they were both in the presentation and we're

01:41:45 ◼   ► talking to them about the iMac. It was Colleen Novielli and Nevpreet Kolodie. It's a really

01:41:49 ◼   ► fun interview that I think people are going to dig.

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