345: Why Are the Italians Involved?
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Hello and welcome to Connected, episode 345.
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Three, four, five, that's fun.
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It's made possible by our sponsors,
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Fitbod, Mack Weldon, and Hover.
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My name is Stephen Hackett
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and I'm joined by Mr. Myke Hurley.
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How are you?
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- Oh, I'm fine.
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- That's good.
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- I never know if you're gonna,
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like if there's more to ask.
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I don't know if you're just gonna go straight to Federico.
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- You know, sometimes I'm just waiting
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for you to ask me how I am.
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No one thinks about that.
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- No, it's fine.
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It's totally fine.
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- And I'm joined by my weird fish brother,
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Mr. Federico Vittucci.
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- Hey Steven, how are you?
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- I'm so good.
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- I'm happy to hear that.
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- Thank you for asking.
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- You know, we are linked in the universe
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because of our weird fish tattoos.
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- Yes. - Yeah.
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- Sometimes I can feel something.
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- On my left arm.
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- That's an infection.
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That's an infection in the tattoo is what that is.
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- Sometimes I think maybe I'm having a heart attack.
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But no, it's heart link.
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It's a weird fish link.
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- Can I tell the story?
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I'm gonna tell it.
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So this was something that Federico said to us
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in the text chat.
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- Look, it's a cruelty. - Just wait, just wait.
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People have said, I've told people about this
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And I actually think it's like,
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I like this level of forward planning.
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So Federico had pre-decided before he got his vaccine
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that he would have the needle in the right arm
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because then if his arm was hurting him
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later on in the evening, if it was in his left arm,
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he might be worried he was having a heart attack.
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So he pre, like he thought ahead
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and got it in the right arm.
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And that is a kind of neurosis
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that I can get behind personally.
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I like it when somebody knows themselves well enough that they make decisions like that.
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That you know, and honestly, I know you well enough to also imagine you reacting like this,
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that like, you had a vaccine, you weren't feeling too great, your arm was tingling,
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you immediately think you're having a heart attack with no other signs.
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Yes, hey, my left arm is hurting, but I just got a vaccine, but no, maybe I'm having a
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heart attack, let's go to the hospital.
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It's time to go.
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It was Mother's Day in an America this past Sunday. In an America.
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In one of the Americas.
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In Americas.
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You know what you just reminded me of? In these United States!
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Do you remember the like teen Miss America clip from years ago where the ladies like she just she's asked a question and
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And cannot answer it and she's saying about in the Iraq and the Americas. Do you remember this clip? What? No
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Not at all. I've never seen this. It's one of the old-time great YouTube clips
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I'll find it. I'll put it in the show notes if you've never seen it
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It's it's an incredible train wreck of a question and answer session. So it was Mother's Day in the America and
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Saturday? Saturday
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day before Mother's Day, we met my mother-in-law and my
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wife's two brothers out at a park and like rode bikes
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through a baseball round like it was really nice and the first time I'd seen my mother-in-law since
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Completing my tattoo adding the weird fish amongst other things to my arm
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Mm-hmm, it's just she saw it and I don't think she particularly likes tattoos
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Even though her daughter and one of her sons and I all have them. I just don't think she's a huge fan
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So she's kind of asking me about it. I think mostly out of trying to be polite and
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She spots the weird fish. She's like, oh, what is that? Because you know, it's like planets and stars and spacecraft and
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I told y'all this and and I message but I just told her straight what it is
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like I have this podcast I've done for a really long time one of the
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Hosts lives in Rome every year. We make him guess the name of emoji, which is kind of a mean game
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but it's always really funny and
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he guessed this and got a tattoo and so I surprised them with my own version of
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it and she just stared at me. Like, I was an idiot. It was great!
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Well I mean, I appreciate it. You both are idiots, right? You need to understand that.
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Like, you know, think about that. Like, really just let that one sink in for a minute.
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It's a real stupid tattoo to get. I actually think it's more stupid for
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Steven to have gotten it. Like it's ratcheting up. So if this ire is turning on to me, if
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I ever, then can you imagine, like the level, I don't actually, it might be less stupid.
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The reason it's more stupid for Steven is because it looks like, especially the way
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Steven had it done, it looks like the coronavirus thing, right? Because you had it.
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That's why it's in the inner arm.
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Yeah, you definitely had it more. Wouldn't it have been incredible if you could have,
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if you had it on the outer arm and you just got like the vaccine right in the middle of it.
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Oh that like you're stabbing it right in the face. That would really freak out the uh the person
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administering the vaccine to you. It's like no just right there like I got it ready for you.
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Dead center. X marks the spot. I don't know I don't think I don't think we're idiots I think
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we're very smart and look I'm not gonna tell you when or if. Well yeah that's the whole that's the
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the whole thing. It's a surprise. It's gotta be a surprise. But I've considered how.
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It's less stupid for you to do it because now two of the three of us have. That's true.
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That's true. Right? I'm the one who took it from this funny thing Federico did to it's
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a thing that more people have done. And so now you're just... It's a pact. Yeah, you've
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just got to join the pact. And then I wonder as well, like, when I get it, who's going
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to be the first listener to do it? Someone's going to do it, right? Maybe they already
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Now that, that's when we get to a next level.
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That's a level that I'm not sure I'm comfortable with.
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The chat room is just in Kyle's degree.
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Do it, Kyle.
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Don't do it, Kyle.
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Don't listen to him.
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Right on the windpipe.
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As predicted, the Kensington Studio doc will not work
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with the new iPad Pro.
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It's been confirmed.
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I believe the iPad Pros podcast found a link to it and then 9to5Mac contacted Kensington
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and Kensington have confirmed that the tolerances on the studio dock, the what, was it $400
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studio dock, will not fit.
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And the way that they're going to fix this is releasing a brand new version.
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I was genuinely, I mean I don't know how this thing is like properly built, but I was hoping
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and they'd be like, oh, we're going to release an extra part.
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You just got to unscrew this one piece and you can put a new one on.
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Yeah, but their way of dealing with it is.
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So this is from from Kenzie's 925 Mac.
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I wanted to confirm that you are correct in the fact that the new 2021 iPad
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Pro 12.9 inch is incompatible with the current studio dock
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because it is thicker in size.
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The company said that they will be launching a new version
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designed for the 2021 model.
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Timing is not yet known.
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if you have the smaller version you'll be fine because they're the same size.
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This just affects the larger one.
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And what I just find so fantastic about this is, I mean, you could go back and listen to
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us when we spoke about this thing for the first time in January and raised this exact
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Yes, multiple times over and over.
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And have consistently done it and now it has proven out.
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And it's Chris Lawley, I also saw him tweeting a couple of days ago that he broke his just
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by taking it out of the thing.
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I don't really know what happened there, but it looks like a disaster.
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Yeah, very unfortunate.
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I feel really sorry for Chris.
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Yeah, I mean, if only the new iPads were coming, right?
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If only somebody could have understood that.
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It's really embarrassing, I think.
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I don't know, I guess like if you are sticking with a 2018 or 2020 iPad Pro, there is a version
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of that, Studio Doc. It's just the timing of this, it really...
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It also, it's like, it's the perfect wrong type of product in that I believe that the
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only people that would spend $400 on an accessory would automatically buy any new iPad.
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Exactly. Yes. The kind of people who are into this kind of accessory, they're also the early
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adopters of new iPads. And so the timing is just unfortunate. And really, I feel like
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they should have, because of the cost of this accessory, they should have probably thought
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of making it as modular as possible, especially with the attachment, right? With the little
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thing that goes into the USB-C connector, maybe that should have been replaceable so
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that you wouldn't run into...
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It's just not built in such a way that you would need to replace that part. It doesn't
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need to be built that way. So, Adina just got this product, oh man, I don't remember
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the name of it, it's like an iPad Pro drawing table, and it's, oh man, Sketchboard it's
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it's called. It's like a drafting table. So it's like a large piece of wood and then there's
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like a rubber insert in the middle and the reason it's a rubber insert in the middle
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is because every time Apple updates the iPad they just sell a new rubber insert.
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See? Exactly. They thought ahead. When this will eventually change you don't have to get
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a new crafting table, you just get the inner... yeah, this is super clever. I love it.
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And so you don't have to replace... it's very nice. It's really great for her, rather than
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just having the iPad flat on the desk when trying to... they have it really interesting.
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I've just got completely thrown off by their product images.
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Why is there a skateboard going over the iPad?
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Don't worry about that. If you go to the product page...
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The FaceTiming animals.
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Yes, there's a cat looking at the iPad and FaceTiming with another cat that's winking,
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a dog, a chicken, a raccoon and another couple of cats.
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Really interesting.
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I mean look, artists, am I right?
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So they sell a bunch of upgrade kits and it's all the iPads, from the iPad 6th gen all the
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way up to the new and they said the new one they got is coming soon but I can't imagine
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if you would need because the physical dimensions the width changed I don't
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remember I don't think that has right it's just the depth that's changed for
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yeah so you wouldn't need to upgrade it 0.5 millimeters so yeah just thought
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that it was interesting yeah this looks pretty cool this is a cool product
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Kensington Wow best of CES 2020 which was sketchboard sketch board no sketch
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"Marchboard Pro, you people, put our podcast logo next to TechCrunch and take Business Insider
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off of it. Replace us. Replace Business Insider with us."
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Why do they have to remove Business Insider? Why can't we all be there?
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No one likes Business Insider.
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Moving on from sad iPad news, last year there was a pic made by our own Federico Vittucci
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that Apple would name a new head of PR. You missed it by a year, but—
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I'm always, just, you know me, I'm always predicting things.
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You're head of the curve, Federico.
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I know, I know.
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I'm an early adopter of the truth, basically.
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Premature rigification.
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But Stella Lowe has joined Apple as the head of PR.
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She spent time at Cisco, as well as someplace else.
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There was another like tech,
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corporate tech company type place.
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What does Cisco do?
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They make everything from phones and voice over IP services.
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They also do a lot of high end switches and routers and network equipment.
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They do data center type stuff too.
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They do data center type stuff.
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Lots of infrastructure.
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I just thought they made telephones.
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I thought they made telephones.
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Like landline telephones.
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She was also at Unisys and Dell.
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So lots of experience in the tech industry
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in very different companies than Apple.
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But this is great 'cause it's been a long time.
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I mean, Steve Dowling left what, 2018, 2019?
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It's been a minute.
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- 2018, I think.
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- Yeah, this is intriguing.
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- I remember it was after the new iPad Pro.
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So yeah, that would have been late 2018.
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- Just another thing,
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feel sure it doesn't have to do anymore.
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- That's right.
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Yeah, well he's busy with Epic.
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- Yeah, he sure is.
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It's gonna be interesting to see now that like,
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especially because it seems like this role
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has been run by a like Apple life person, right?
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For, you know, or like long-term Apple people
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for a really long time.
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So it's gonna be intriguing to see
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if or how it's changed by an outside hire.
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You know, like I think it was John Gruber that referenced,
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I don't remember the guy's name.
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- Ah, yes, yes.
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- It was Browning, who was the retail guy
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who came from the UK and just did a bunch of terrible things
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and then left.
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- Was it John Broward, maybe?
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- Yeah, Broward, it was Broward.
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And then Angela Ahrendts lasted longer
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and seemed to have a bit of a better impact.
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But yeah, it's just gonna be intriguing
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'cause P.R. is so special for Apple,
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like so important, I should say.
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It's gonna be interesting to see how someone coming
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into that role who's not been at, like, Cisco do not deal with influencers, I don't think,
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right? Like, you know, it's a... Hey, I'm sure there's a network influence. Well, yeah,
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sure. Segment out there. Yeah, but they're not like cool YouTubers, right? Yeah, it's
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gonna be really intriguing. It's gonna be really, really intriguing to see if anything
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changes how it changes. I mean, ultimately, I think what's clear is that the people that
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are already at Apple have been working kind of without somebody in that role so you would
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expect you know if you were coming into that role just to be like all right how are you
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all doing it right and then try and lead forward from there I would assume.
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Yeah I'm very curious about that too because I think they've done a lot of really cool
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stuff and I mean just obviously we've been able to do some stuff that they didn't let
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podcasters do before so hopefully she's hip to podcasts she's probably a listener.
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Please come on Stella please come on Stella.
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I mean, Stella, I have some tips. We have some tips.
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Basically, the way that PR works at Apple is you just send review units and scoops to
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MacStories.net and Relay.fm.
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And that is it.
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The Apple PR 101. That's all you need to do.
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Please don't take our interviews away, Stella.
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Yes, please. I don't know. I feel like this kind of change is exciting, but also scary
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at the same time, like what if this person actually hates us? So we'll see how it goes,
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for sure. Stella, if you're out there, I'm not the person who cut a computer open to
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fill it with bouncy balls. That was another guy. Don't make that happen. He's also not
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the person that made the hissing video. That was somebody also. The other Stephen Hackett,
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Yeah, that's the guitar player.
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The guitar player.
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I'm playing from Genesis.
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Yeah, he has hearing damage, so he's hissing in his ear.
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Too much loud music.
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Not this guy.
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Long time listeners of this show will remember an obsession we had for a while with the Tiny
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Heads graphical style.
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So you've seen this many times.
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Many technology companies use these weird illustrations with people with huge bodies
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and tiny heads. This was a thing that we couldn't, once we saw it, we couldn't stop seeing it
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and every week we were mentioning it. Somebody sent this to us, I think it may have been
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the one true John, sent like a Wired article talking about this design phenomenon and it
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is called corporate Memphis. That is the term.
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The article itself didn't do a good job for me of explaining where this came from so I
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ended up finding it on Wikipedia and this is the Wikipedia summary. Corporate Memphis
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is a term used, sometimes disparagingly, to describe a flat geometric art style widely
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used in big tech illustrations in the late 2010s and early 2020s. Common motifs are flat
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cartoon characters in action, disproportionate features such as long and bendy limbs, and
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minimal facial features.
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Noelle, read the last line.
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Read the last line at the very end.
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No, I didn't. I didn't copy that. It's a reference to the Memphis group, an Italian architecture.
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Yes, not my fault!
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How did I miss this part of the Wikipedia? I just copied it into the...
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This term is a reference to the Memphis group, an Italian architecture group from the 1980s
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known for its garish designs. I will tell you the furniture from the Memphis group is
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amazing. And I guess this is referencing... There is a design style called Memphis something,
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I've seen it in keyboard design, weirdly. And this kind of evokes that kind of Memphis
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design style. And so it all kind of comes back around, I suppose. Why are the Italians
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It kind of reminds me of the Gizmo theme that never showed up in Mac OS 8, if anyone remembers
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So I just did some very quick jumping around on Wikipedia. So it's based on the Memphis
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group, also known as Memphis Milano, was a design architecture group founded by
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this Italian architect and designer named Ettore Sotsas, I believe that's how
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you say that, and Sotsas worked at the Olivetti company, you know, they make
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typewriters, and this is one of the designs that he worked on, the Olivetti
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Valentine typewriter. It's a beautiful typewriter. Interesting. Okay, so basically
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the tiny heads, they come from Italy? Seems like it. Is that the takeaway
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of all this? It comes from Italy but it's named after me. My home. Really this
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whole thing has now just become weirder and weirder. Yeah. That now there's this
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weird Memphis Italian connection to it. We were so obsessed with this that we
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ended up releasing a t-shirt that I love that nobody else loved. That's the answer to that.
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You're gonna be out there and you're gonna say, "Hey, I would like this t-shirt to come back."
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Well, none of you bought them in the first the first time, so...
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Yeah, so you don't get them. I have two of them and I love them.
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But yeah, so like you can go to the Cotton Bureau website and you can say, "Hey, bring it back."
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"Well, we're not going to bring it back."
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Should have thought that the first time.
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We're not going to do it.
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If you wanted it so bad, we're not going to do it.
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And if you say, "Oh, well, it wasn't around the first time."
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Well, you can just look to your fellow listeners and blame them.
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Doesn't matter.
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We could get a million people smashing that button and we're not bringing it back.
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Look around and blame somebody.
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That's how Twitter works, basically.
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Go blame someone.
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Go blame someone else.
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Nothing to do with us.
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Yeah. Agreed.
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Federico, would you like to talk about why we were stupid last week?
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when we were talking about Apple Hi-Fi. Yeah, we are dumb, basically. This is so annoying.
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Should have seen this, should have thought of this. So we were discussing Apple Music
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Hi-Fi, so this idea that Apple is working on a higher resolution tier for Apple Music
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for lossless audio. And we just focused our conversation on what does it mean to have
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a high resolution audio, what does it mean to be lossless, what's the difference between
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in CD quality or even higher resolution formats. We just thought about that and we discussed,
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well, how can they bring this higher resolution audio to existing headphones that they are
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selling that millions of people have, such as AirPods Pro or AirPods Max, if they don't
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have dedicated chips inside of them that can decode that higher resolution format. We are
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stupid, the three of us, because we didn't consider the fact that Apple likes to do its,
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you know, custom software instead of hardware for these kinds of things. And we didn't consider
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how one potential avenue that Apple could explore is bringing one of the most interesting
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audio-related features that they have launched in the past year, spatial audio, bringing
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that from movies and TV shows in the TV app to music, and what would that be like? And
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this kind of lines up with some of the things that I have seen and heard about the some
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code strings that have been found in the iOS 14.6 beta, and there's like a bunch of things
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actually lining up where all of this makes sense. So part of this is based on these references
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that MacRumors and 95Mac also published them independently, and it kind of lines up with
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conversation that I had, and also this is like my theory about how this could potentially
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go. So I feel like Apple is obviously not gonna go after the audiophile market per se,
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right? They're not gonna say "Oh, and now Apple Music, for all you audio nerds out there,
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You can listen to FLAC files in Apple Music, but only if you have an external DAC that
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supports this resolution.
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Like Apple is not going to do any of that, right?
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If they're going to do this, they're going to make it as friendly and as intuitive as
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But also when you think about it, Apple likes to have its own unique twists for these kinds
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And I feel like, what if Apple took the one aspect that is generally one of the many reasons
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why audiophiles like to listen to music a certain way, which is the idea of having this
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bigger, wider soundstage, and being able to recognize each instrument playing around you.
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And I'm super simplifying here for the sake of the conversation.
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what if they took that idea and simplified it as much as possible and said, "And now we have
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spatial audio in Apple Music." And this could be something that they do in software,
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just like they did for movies and TV shows in the TV app with AirPods. It could be something that
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could potentially work on existing AirPods models. It could work on AirPods 2, on AirPods Pro,
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and Airports Max wouldn't require dedicated hardware, it would be a software feature,
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and nobody else would have it. That's the idea. The problem with this is that it will require
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record labels to participate in this initiative and to actually send in masters that support this
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different format that is going to work for, if they do it, that is going to work for special
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audio in Apple Music. So where this gets interesting is I got a couple of messages last week from
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people who work in the music industry that told me, basically, we've actually been told
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to start providing masters in this new Dolby format that is going to work for spatial audio.
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And if we don't do it, basically we've been encouraged to do it so that we can be featured
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in the future on Apple Music in a bunch of different sections and playlists, right? So
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I thought that was fascinating and I started putting two and two together and I realized,
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oh, like when we talk about high resolution music in, you know, in Apple Music, we shouldn't
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We focused on the specifics of, is it FLAC, is it MQA, will it require an external DAC,
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but what about existing AirPods?
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I think it makes a lot more sense to do it this way, to take special audio, which is
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already a feature in the TV app, and say, "And now a selection of music is available
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in this format, and all you need to do is just wear AirPods, and you can listen to music
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that sort of surrounds you in a way like you've never heard it before. And I just think it's
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smart and it kind of explains why this may not even be a separate tier in Apple Music.
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Right? Last week we mentioned the... what was the name of the website? It's Double Daily.
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They said that Apple Music Hi-Fi was going to be $9.99. And so we started speculating,
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"Oh, does it mean that they're lowering the price of the standard Apple Music subscription
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to $599 or $799?" What if it's just a free upgrade? Just like they did many times in
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the past for 1080p HD content, and later for 4K content, and then for HDR content. It's
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always been a free upgrade on the iTunes Store catalog. What if they do the same for Apple
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music. And they say, and now for we are rolling out for some, you know, major,
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like the most popular artists, you will be able to listen in Apple Music, you
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know, spatial audio format. And this catalog will grow over time. No change
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of price, still $9.99 a month. And you can enjoy this with any modern AirPods
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model that you have. I just feel like that would be totally an Apple thing to
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I was listening to some music yesterday, one of my favourite bands, a band called Jungle.
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Very, very fun music. And all of a sudden something weird happened, like something changed
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and it sounded like the music was in front of me. What I didn't know is there is a music video
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in the Apple Music album and because it's a video it uses spatial audio, which is just very peculiar,
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like all of a sudden it just freaked me out. I don't expect they'll do it like this because
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like the way that they're doing it there is like the music is far away on a stage, right? But
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I don't imagine the spatial audio, if they do the spatial audio, which I think they, right,
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that seems like the obvious thing that we're saying, but who knows how it'll actually work.
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It won't be like like spatial audio is on TV stuff where it's meant to just be like,
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well the audio is over there. It will just be creating this almost surround sound like
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experience with you standing in the middle of it as Federico was saying. So
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you know just just as a thought like it's not they will call it spatial audio
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maybe but it won't operate the same way I can't I would imagine that spatial
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audio currently works with video content because it's a it's a different thing
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it's like a different interpretation of how that would work would be my expectation.
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something everyone's gonna know about maybe by the time the show comes out.
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You're like the worst news channel ever.
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The Chipolo One is now for sale.
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This is the worst breaking news.
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So if you don't want an AirTag, you want something with a little more color and a hole punch
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through it so you can attach it to things, you can get them.
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Nice colors, nice colors.
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Yeah, I like the blue, red, yellow, green deal.
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25 bucks for one, $75 for a four-pack, $105 for a six-pack.
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These seem to be sale prices maybe or launch prices.
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So they are undercutting Apple a little bit.
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They don't have the U1, so you won't get the cool like arrow
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as you take your new iPhone around,
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but it's got the rest of the stuff, looks pretty awesome.
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Could be a nice alternative if you don't wanna buy AirTag
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and then buy something to put your AirTag in
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so it can attach to something.
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Lads, I'm buying one.
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I'll just see what happens.
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I don't know.
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Did you just call us lads?
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Yeah, you're the lads.
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What color are you doing?
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Oh, I didn't even think about that.
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I got a blue one.
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Are we all buying Chipolo things?
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I'm gonna get one.
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Yeah, but I'm not gonna do the one to three business day
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shipping 'cause it's 13 pounds.
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It will be here in a couple of weeks.
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Hold on, hold on.
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We're gonna do this.
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Chipolo. What color? I want to get either red or yellow. I have blue. So are you all
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just gonna wait? So I've got 10 to 14 business day shipping, which is basically a month.
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You're gonna do faster shipping? I don't want to. Let's see, checkout. Why is this a podcast?
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Um, Express Check.
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How do I choose?
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Contact information.
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Can you use Apple Pay on a Mac?
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It'll ask your watch.
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Yeah, it asks your phone or your watch.
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I can get standard shipping two to nine business days or Express shipping one to three business
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days for $13.
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Why is it not asking me what kind of shipping I want?
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It does after you do the Apple Pay thing.
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Yeah, you finish it after that.
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That's clever.
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Thanks, Shopify.
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Okay, so I'm going to do it.
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Isn't Shopify amazing, by the way?
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Isn't Shopify just like a business for humanity?
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In fact, I'm glad you said that.
00:33:36
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Neil Ipatel at The Verge took over Kara Swisher's old show.
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What is it called?
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and he interviewed the CEO of Shopify last week or the week before and it was
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genuinely fascinating. Have we all decided what the shipping is now? Because I don't want to be worried.
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I did the slow one. I got the fast one. Oh how fast is your fast shipping?
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One, two days. Do you pay 13 euros for that shipping? Yeah, Apple Pay failed
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so I'm using my credit card. Oh I can't change it now so I'm going slow shipping.
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I did two to nine business days.
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I will forget that I ordered this
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and it's just gonna show up.
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Like who sent me a Chipolo?
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- Oh no, I can change it.
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Okay, there we go.
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- I'm doing the fast Chipolo.
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- I got a Chipolo, guys.
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I got a Chipolo one red.
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- We're gonna be the Chipolo gang.
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Oh God, the card just declined.
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Why did that happen?
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I'm really having a mess over here, man.
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- See, is Chipolo hacking us?
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- I think so.
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I think we might be simultaneously
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destroying the Chipolo website.
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Have three people ever tried to buy something
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from them at the same time before?
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- That's right, there's an alarm going off somewhere.
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- This is a straight up failing on me now.
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Now I'm going into credit, I'm entering my credit card now
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'cause I think Apple Pay is just dying.
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- Okay, so why did I buy one?
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- We're gonna see what it's like.
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- Oh, oh, oh no, guys.
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- What happened?
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- Wait, hang on.
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- Did you send us the wrong product?
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- I think we bought the regular Chipolo
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but not the Chipolo one spot that we're confined by.
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Excellent. Mine didn't.
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In fact, it's one thing, Steven.
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We bought the wrong thing.
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Well, I didn't actually, I'm so pleased that mine failed,
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so I haven't bought it yet, so I'm just-
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Hang on, no, I followed a link from MacRumors.
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Steven! Steven, come on.
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No, it's not me.
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It's MacRumors Joe.
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You were in charge of this.
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Now available to pre-order.
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You were in charge of this as a break-in.
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Yeah, no, oh no, we did do the wrong thing.
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I didn't buy it, this is incredible.
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This, by the way, the worst segment in connected history, so thank you for that.
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What am I going to do with this thing?
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What I did, what happened, I saw Joe's thing of MacRumors and I opened a tab and Googled
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and then landed on the wrong Topolo webpage and we bought the wrong ones.
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Let's see if I can cancel this.
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View your order.
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I don't understand why you made me do this.
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Your order is confirmed.
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What I like is I was the person who started the buying thing and now I don't have one.
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Okay, so what I'm going to do, I'm going to contact them and I'm going to put my order
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You don't need to write an email on the show.
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I bought this on a podcast.
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This segment is already bad enough.
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Now I'm just going to give this to my mom.
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I don't have the energy to cancel this order right now.
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Maybe now you could just do a like, you know, you can just do a comparison.
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No, I'm gonna be, "Ma'am, I bought you a gift."
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Does it work with Fine Mite? No, it doesn't.
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No, I don't have the mental ed. You know what? I'm gonna give this away on Max or weekly.
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I don't care.
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And then the person that gets it will be upset at you because it isn't the one that works.
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They're gonna cancel their membership?
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It's like Russian roulette but membership.
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Oh my God. Stephen, you are the absolute worst.
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Person to recommend something to buy. Like, I'm never asking you for any buying advice ever again.
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I'm deleting the purchase link from the show notes.
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Speaking of which, I actually have a few questions for you.
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Yeah, speaking of which, Federico now has an entire segment where he wants buying advice.
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OK, so I was thinking about my desk, OK? And how, given the problems with the Kensington
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Studio Dock and the fact that it was not going to work with the new iPad Pro, I started thinking,
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"Well, maybe it's time to say goodbye after two months to the Studio Dock."
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I know, you just changed everything around for that thing.
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I had just changed everything on my desk to make room for the Studio Doc, but I just couldn't
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accept the fact that it was not going to be compatible with the new iPad Pro, and so I
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started thinking, well, there's this new iPad Pro coming, and it's going to have a Thunderbolt
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port, and I have a pretty good feeling for iPadOS 15 doing even more things with Thunderbolt.
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I have a Mac Mini that also has a Thunderbolt port, I have an LG Ultrafine 4K display that
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works with Thunderbolt devices, maybe I should go all in and see what it actually is like
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to have a full Thunderbolt setup going on with both a Mac Mini and an iPad Pro and an
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LG Ultrafine display. So I started looking into this, I removed the studio dock from
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the desk, I put the Ultrafine 4K display in the middle of the desk again with the Mac
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Mini next to it, and so I started looking into Thunderbolt docks, right? And I browsed around
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on Amazon.com, on Amazon. Italy, and eventually I went for the Belkin Thunderbolt Pro dock that is
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available on the Italian Apple Store. It was the fastest one that would arrive within a couple of
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of days, and so I went for that one. So I set it up next to the Mac Mini. When I, you
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know, I only have a Mac Mini, don't have a new iPad Pro to also test that with, so I
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set it up with the Mac Mini and a Thunderbolt cable, and it looked like everything was going
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okay, right? So for context now, this is like, there's a Mac Mini with a Thunderbolt cable
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that goes into the computer port of the dock, and there's a Thunderbolt cable that goes
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from the dock into the display. So my idea was, I can just swap a single cable, right,
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from the dock, when I want to use the Mac Mini, I'm going to plug in the Mac Mini cable.
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When I want to use the future iPad Pro, I can plug in, you know, I can buy a separate
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Thunderbolt cable just for the iPad Pro, and I can plug in that one. So I can switch between
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devices and the display is going to adapt. This, my friend, is the dream, huh? Right.
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It's the dream. I had the same dream. So then I started thinking, but what if, so I have
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this dock, but in preparation for the iPad Pro, I also ordered from Amazon the Samsung
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X5. This is an external SSD Thunderbolt drive. So it's an external SSD based on Thunderbolt
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3, which is not Thunderbolt 4 like the iPad Pro will have. However, there's no change
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in terms of transfer speeds between Thunderbolt 3 and 4. So I figured this is gonna...
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What do you want that for?
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as a test, you know, just to try what it actually is like to use Thunderbolt for external storage.
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And so I looked at the dock and I had an idea, right? So this dock only has two Thunderbolt
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ports. One is labeled "computer", so that's where you plug in either the Mac or the iPad
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Pro. And the other is a regular Thunderbolt port. And I thought, what if I plugged in
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the computer into the computer port, but then what if I plugged in the X5 drive into the
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second Thunderbolt port? That could work and it could be like permanent storage attached
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to the dock, but it would also mean that the display no longer has a cable that goes from
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the dock to the display. And that was when I started running into problems, because I
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I thought, well, this dock also has a DisplayPort connection. What if I could figure out a way
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to go from DisplayPort to USB-C, which is what the Ultrafine 4K needs to be connected
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to, right? This required, like, I wasted a solid couple of hours just browsing around
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the internet and trying to understand if this was actually possible. The Ultrafine 4K is
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an old display, so it's also kind of challenging to find recent content and recent discussions
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on Amazon reviews or Reddit or Twitter for people who have my exact same setup.
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Also, nobody has the new iPad Pro, so it's not like I can ask and find content that mentions
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the new iPad Pro.
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I eventually found one person on the MacRumors forums, obviously, because I told you I love
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You always find that person, and I have this theory, that when you find that person, that
00:42:53
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person is your soulmate.
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Like when you find that person on the MacRumors forums, that has your exact...
00:42:59
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Is this exclusive to the MacRumors forums?
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It's the only place you can find your soulmate.
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It's like your tech soulmate, basically. Like, when you find that person, I believe there's
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a, you know, there's a good chance that you're gonna get along well with that person.
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So anyway, this person had my same problem. They wanted to connect an Ultrafine 4K display
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to a Belkin Thunderbolt dock using a DisplayPort cable. That person mentioned how if you were
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looking to go with this setup, you needed to find a bi-directional USB-C DisplayPort
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cable, okay? Because most cables that you find on Amazon are USB-C to DisplayPort only,
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whereas in my case I needed to go DisplayPort to USB-C. And so the easiest solution was
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to get a bi-directional cable. So, again, I went back to Amazon, I started searching
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from this, and much to my surprise, the cheapest and simplest solution was the AmazonBasics
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USB-C DisplayPort Bidirectional Cable. So, an AmazonBasics-labeled cable that supposedly
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was bidirectional. Okay? So I ordered the cable. Next day the cable arrives, and it
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seems like it's working! Okay, so I plug in the X5 into the secondary Thunderbolt
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port on the dock, plug in the Mac Mini into the computer port on the dock, and I
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plug in the DisplayPort cable in the DisplayPort connection on the dock, and
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the USB-C end into the Ultrafine 4K. Seems like it's working. However, I notice
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is the first problem, which is every time I go and try and wake the Mac Mini, right?
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Usually I do this by pressing the space bar on my keyboard. I feel the little haptic touch
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on the watch. I know that the watch authenticated the Mac Mini. It takes over 10 seconds for
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the display to wake with the DisplayPort connection. And I'm just sitting there, having felt the
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haptic tap on my wrist, but just staring at a black rectangle.
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Hey, at least it wakes. So I have a similar issue.
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Hold on. Hold on. I'm getting there. So this is the, I was like, okay, I mean, it's not
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ideal. It's like, but every, like it adds up, right? Every day I'm waking the Mac Mini
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and it takes over ten seconds and I'm just standing there like an idiot, staring at a
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turned off display until it wakes up. But the more annoying problem is the following.
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So each night I like to turn off my Mac Mini. Because there's the occasionally, because
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I run Plex on this thing, occasionally for whatever reason the fans of the Mac Mini will
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starts spinning at night. And Sylvia has a very light sleep, she doesn't like that noise,
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she doesn't like the fact that there's that LED indicator when a Mac Mini is turned on.
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She just wants it to be off. And I respect her decision, so each night I have to turn
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it off. The problem is that the next morning, when I turn on the Mac Mini again, it doesn't
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wake the Thunderbolt dock. So the Mac Mini is connected, I press the power button, the
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Mac Mini turns on, but the LED indicator on the balcony dock, it stays orange instead
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of turning green. And the only way for me to force the Thunderbolt dock to wake is to
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unplug and replug the Thunderbolt cable that connects the Mac Mini and the dock. And now
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Now I'm asking you both. Am I stupid? Am I doing something wrong? Should I have gone
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for a different Thunderbolt dock? Or was this a nightmare scenario that nobody told me about
00:47:22
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and it's been the case with Thunderbolt devices all along?
00:47:25
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Well, I can't answer your question. Let me tell you my problem. Right? Because then you'll
00:47:30
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understand why I can't answer your question. I use the CalDigit TS3+
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Thunderbolt dock on my desk here at the studio. I saw that one, yeah. It's very nice.
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It's a good dock. Like, I like it for what it does. When I was using a monitor that
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worked with Thunderbolt, no actually I was using a DisplayPort monitor as well
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and I didn't have an issue. Oh, I was using HDMI, that's why, and I don't
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recommend that because you can't get retina and so at least with the setup I
00:48:01
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was using anyway so now though I am using the Cal digit dock with my MacBook
00:48:05
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Pro and the monitor I'm using is USB C powered right kind of like the
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it's an LFG monitor but it's not the ultra fine and every day I plug the
00:48:16
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MacBook into the dock using the Thunderbolt cable that it came with
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everything turns on and it's fine but the monitor never turns on and every
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single day I have to unplug the monitor and plug the monitor back in and usually
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have to open and close the laptop a couple of times and then eventually it
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will work but it seems like every single day it is a completely different set of
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things that I have to do to get the monitor to turn on. Basically I just
00:48:43
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think really and I've heard this from other people that there kind of isn't a
00:48:48
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good solution when it comes to docking right and Stephen you can tell me if I'm
00:48:51
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wrong it's always kind of janky in some way yeah you just have to find the right
00:48:59
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path and then whatever it is you're willing to accept it's also complicated
00:49:03
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right now I know John has talked about this with his Mac Pro and produce play
00:49:08
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XDR where the display won't wake up at all and I think eleven point three point
00:49:13
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►
one made it better for him but I Oh breaking news Chipola refunded my order
00:49:18
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Thank you Chipotle. Excellent news. That was so much better breaking news than the first
00:49:22
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breaking news that you gave us today. But I have a similar issue to Federico where I
00:49:27
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sit down at my Mac Pro, hit the space bar, my watch vibrates, that it's unlocked, and
00:49:33
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it takes 10 seconds for the display to come back. The computer's unlocked and like operating,
00:49:37
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I can't hit the play button, the music starts. And so trying to troubleshoot this I think
00:49:42
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right now is complicated by the fact there seems to be something going on in Big Sur,
00:49:46
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at least for some users that adds to this delay.
00:49:50
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So your system, hardware-wise, may be okay,
00:49:54
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and it may just be Big Sur freaking out on the Mac Mini.
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I don't know for sure, but I wouldn't go as far
00:50:01
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as starting to replace equipment
00:50:03
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or giving up on this quite yet.
00:50:05
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- Yeah, I know one of the recent updates to Big Sur
00:50:09
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focused on Thunderbolt docking
00:50:13
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as a thing to try and improve.
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I mean it didn't improve my situation, but there is something going on.
00:50:20
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Plus, I mean, it's like a combination of things.
00:50:23
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Maybe macOS ain't right, but also this is just always a pain doing this kind of stuff
00:50:28
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with any kind of dock.
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Especially with Thunderbolt docks, because what kind of something, I'm sure that there
00:50:33
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is a rhyme and reason to this and a way to do it, but there does seem to be like an ordering
00:50:38
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with Thunderbolt, like depending on what's plugged in first, because it's like a power
00:50:44
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right? What's plugged in first? What draws the power? Like sometimes my dock doesn't
00:50:49
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turn on because I tapped something before I plugged the computer in or whatever. There's
00:50:55
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like this system of like witches in control. Like a cascading system basically. Kind of.
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And I think it's basically like what is considered to be drawing power most or first and then
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that can affect things. Thunderbolt is really good and also really annoying because it does
00:51:13
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allow for way more expandability and you can control way more things more easily with less
00:51:21
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Just having this one dock, I have one dock, it has a couple of Thunderbolt, couple of
00:51:26
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USB, couple of USB-C, Ethernet, audio, it's got everything on it, this CalDigit thing.
00:51:32
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It's great to have.
00:51:34
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Once I get it set up for the day, then I'm off to the races.
00:51:37
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I just have these five or ten minutes every day where I'm unplugging and replugging and
00:51:42
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tap in the spacebar. Like this morning my keyboard just wouldn't work. I don't know
00:51:48
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why. Maybe it's the guy who built it, you know? Hey! My keyboard wouldn't work for a
00:51:53
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while and no matter whatever I plugged in, like I tried different cables and stuff and
00:51:58
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it wouldn't work until I unplugged the Mac and replugged the Mac in again with the lightning,
00:52:04
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with the thunderbolt and then it worked again. And I don't, maybe I tapped the spacebar too
00:52:08
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I don't know. It's janky, but it is cool when you get it working.
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And I reject Stephen's statement wholeheartedly.
00:52:18
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Yeah, because otherwise it's a really nice setup, right?
00:52:21
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I feel like I simplified, there's the Mac Mini, there's this elegant dock next to it,
00:52:27
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cables are all hidden behind the desk. It's all very nice.
00:52:32
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And then when I'm recording, I can plug in the USB interface that I have in the front of the dock,
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or I can plug in headphones because the audio jack is in the front.
00:52:41
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So very nice.
00:52:43
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But this display delay is unfortunate.
00:52:46
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And also I would have liked to have an additional Thunderbolt port, which is why I'm probably
00:52:54
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gonna consider when it's available the OWC, like the new Thunderbolt dock that they have,
00:53:02
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which is the only one that I've found that has three Thunderbolt ports in the back.
00:53:09
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But that, like, I believe you had to pre-order that dock, otherwise it's shipping in like
00:53:15
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a couple of months now.
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So I don't know.
00:53:17
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I have one of the Thunderbolt 3 docks from OWC.
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I ordered it when it became available.
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I haven't actually used it, because what I don't really need is a bunch of Thunderbolt
00:53:32
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now what I need is regular ports to go into that and then out through one
00:53:37
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Thunderbolt right that's what I need right now I don't have like a plethora
00:53:41
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of Thunderbolt devices in my life what I have is a bunch of regular USB devices
00:53:45
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and you know what I mean like that's that's the stuff that I really have but
00:53:50
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I do I saw this I thought this I know this will be useful for the future so I
00:53:53
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ordered it because I'm still as I said before like I'm in I still don't really
00:53:58
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know what I'm doing with my computer setups here at the studio, it's all still all over
00:54:02
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the place because I'm waiting on Apple now to release products. But it felt like something
00:54:06
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that would be useful, but then I realized the CalDigit one really is the better one
00:54:10
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for me because its whole thing is like all the stuff you've already got, plug it into
00:54:15
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this and then you get the one cable and it will, you plug it into the laptop and you're
00:54:19
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good. Yeah, I don't know, so looking ahead at the new iPad Pro, I think I'm in a pretty
00:54:25
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good spot right now. I have the Satechi Slim X1 keyboard that lets me switch
00:54:33
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between the Mac Mini and the iPad Pro. Also, fun story for that, because I turn
00:54:37
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off the Mac Mini each night, every morning I see the login screen, right?
00:54:43
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With third-party Bluetooth keyboards, if you want to be able to type at the
00:54:49
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login screen with a non-apple wireless keyboard, it turns out you have to disable FileVault
00:54:56
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encryption because the Bluetooth drivers for third-party keyboards are not available at
00:55:04
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the login screen because it's like a separate process, whatever.
00:55:08
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They haven't noticed this because they will use Magic keyboards, right?
00:55:12
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And it's like, people like to use other stuff, right?
00:55:16
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Like, it's, that's so annoying.
00:55:18
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All of my keyboards are on cables these days, so I don't know.
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That would really annoy me.
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Yeah, I mean, when you're wired, that's not a problem.
00:55:28
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I would say be patient.
00:55:30
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Maybe a big Sur update will fix it.
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And if it does work, then it's like the optimal Mac/iPad switch-a-roo setup.
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I think it'd be really cool if it worked.
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I want to try it when the new iMac Pro comes.
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I want to see how it works in practice.
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So far I can tell you that I'm impressed by the speeds of Thunderbolt devices, the X5
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drive that I have. I tested transferring my entire Death Cab for Cutie library, which
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is like a 6 point something gigabyte folder, including the new Live at the Showbox album.
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So that's almost 7 gigabytes, basically.
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And I tested it with the Samsung T5, which is the USB 3.2 Gen 2 drive.
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Super speed.
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So it's the 10 gigabit per second drive.
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So the T5 and the X5, which is the Thunderbolt drive.
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And it's like night and day difference.
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Like it took what 15-20 seconds on the X5 and it took well over a minute on the T5.
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So it's like yeah, I mean it's really impressive what you get with Thunderbolt transfers when
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it comes to copying and pasting large files.
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There's one last thing that I hope for with this.
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Is that Apple makes a monitor and it solves all the problems.
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Because my issue and most people's issues like well actually Steven's having this problem
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many has an Apple monitor so maybe it won't fix my problem but like my main
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issue is just that the the monitor doesn't turn on it the way that I want
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or if at all and everything else is fine so my hope would just be that Apple will
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make a monitor and it will fix it for me. I kind of feel bad for my Thunderbolt
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ports because I'm using a couple of them mostly just to adapt to other things
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Like the only Thunderbolt port that I have that's living its true potential is the one
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driving my Pro Display XDR.
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I don't have any external Thunderbolt.
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I mean that's a pretty big potential.
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Yeah, that Thunderbolt port's living its best life, but all of its friends down there under
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the table, they're just like "Oh, I'm adapted to USB-A!"
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Well then you need to rotate them around so they all feel better about themselves.
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My video card has several Thunderbolt ports on it.
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Let's move it around.
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There you go.
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Just keep moving it around.
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yourself and you're like, "Oh hey, I fixed this with X." Please let us know. I fixed
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it by installing Catalina. Well, that'll do that. Don't do that. It's too slow, too late
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I'm already on Bixa.
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So as owner of iOS stories dotnet, I am well known
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For my app coverage sure people know me
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Call me the only people know you I have a big appetite for different new things
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here and so I
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Oh my God. Have you turned into a dad?
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Yeah man. No, I have some news. No I don't.
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Parcel is an application I want to talk about.
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It is a delivery tracking application.
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And I've used Deliveries, the app Deliveries by June Cloud.
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Is that the name of the company?
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Or is that the... Okay.
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I can never remember if it's the name of the company or their cloud service
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because they also have Deliveries Cloud, I think.
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I've used Deliveries forever, been a very happy user of Deliveries.
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But then after many recommendations from the fine folk in the keyboards channel of the
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Relay FM members Discord, I checked out Parcel.
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Now the design is pretty bare bones, it's very iOS 70, I wasn't sure about it.
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And people were going super excited about the Amazon integration, this is its biggest
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feature recently. You could sign in with Amazon, like sign into your Amazon
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account and every time you buy something on Amazon it just adds it automatically
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to Parcel, which is very clever, right? I think this is a small little thing that
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it does, which is fine. That's fine for me. I mean really I kind of, maybe this
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sounds bad but like I never really, no this isn't bad, I never need to track my
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Amazon things because Amazon does everything it possibly can to let me
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know about the deliveries?
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Yep. They send you push notifications,
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My Echo lights yellow, like
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yeah, pajama gram.
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There's one type of delivery in my
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life I don't need extra help
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tracking. It's Amazon deliveries.
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But it's cool that it's in there,
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right? Like a fun feature.
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The reason I love this application
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One, it has support
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for way more services
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than Deliveries does.
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But the other thing is it does a
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vastly better job of pulling
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the information into the application. So the biggest one for me is Royal Mail, right, the
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postal service here in the UK. In deliveries, every Royal Mail delivery, it just says you
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have to log in to the website to view the information about this delivery. I have to
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tap the link and it does a good job of pasting the code where it needs to go. Sometimes I
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need to fill in a capture, which I hate doing because it's one of the image ones. The image
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captures are the worst. Show me bicycles. No, I don't want to do that. Stop trying to
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your car AI with me, Google, I know what you're doing. But Parcel somehow gets the
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data and just shows it in the application. It's fantastic. So like all
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of my Royal Mail deliveries, they just show up right there. It is really
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good. It has support for way more services. I really like it. I only wish
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wished for one feature which was, this is an I think probably a pretty unknown
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feature for good reason in deliveries. You can just add a URL to the
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application, so it's like a placeholder, and some services like the end of the URL,
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you know, you put the code at the end of the URL and it will just take you straight there
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to it. The reason I need this is I'm sometimes tracking freight company deliveries, right?
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For like when I'm shipping products and stuff. Freight companies are not something that people
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need typically, so none of these person, like the, you know, regular person deliveries,
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apps put freight companies in there, right? So like this is when you're booking huge pallets
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of notebooks and sending them all over the place. Deliveries has it so I can save the
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URL somewhere, right? And then I can just tap it and see it. Parcel doesn't have this.
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They only take any like codes. So I wished it would have had this. So I could just paste
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the URL there so I can just tap the URL whenever I want. It's just there. I would love that.
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It doesn't have that. But for my regular human being deliveries, it is far better at getting
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the data and displaying the data than deliveries is. In a way that I don't understand how they're
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so different in the amount of information Parcel is able to surface than what deliveries
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is surfacing. It's intriguing to me. I like it a lot.
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It's very good. I've also been using it for the past couple of weeks. There's a couple
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of things that I love the fact that the Amazon integration it all works locally
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the authentication like the session is stored on device it doesn't it doesn't
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communicate right I wasn't sure about this I was a little bit concerned that I
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was giving my Amazon information to some random company it's all stored on device
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you have to log in to Amazon on each of your devices you have exactly yes fine
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I prefer that then. Because it is kind of weird, it's just like a regular Amazon login
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window. What happened? What did I just do?
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You may see every few days, like I only got this once today, I think Steven got it more
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often maybe, that it kicks you out of that authenticated session. But then you just get
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a notification for it. And at least in my case, I just got a notification today saying
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your Amazon session expired, please log in again.
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And I did that and now it's fine.
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- Yeah. - Okay.
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- The other thing, I also have been using it.
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The other thing I've been having, I'm having it right now,
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is that they're not syncing with each other.
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I used the sign in with Apple option.
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- Me too. - And I added something
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on my phone and the phone seems to be updating
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but the Mac app just stopped updating like two days ago
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and I cannot get it to sync.
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So that's cool. - I've just opened it
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on my Mac mini and it's not syncing.
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But my iPhone is fine, my iPad is fine,
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and my MacBook Pro is fine,
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but my Mac Mini that I'm on now, it isn't syncing.
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- And I'm just trying to add right now
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a tracking number to UPS for something,
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and it's just spinning and then saying,
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check my internet connection.
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So it can be, it can be buggy.
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- Oh, there's one other feature that Deliveries has
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that I just remembered that Parcel doesn't have.
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So like, I ordered the iPad Pro
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and the Smart Keyboard for Leo, right?
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It's one delivery with Apple,
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but it's technically two deliveries.
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The smart keyboard's already here.
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In deliveries, when you have multiple items
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as part of an overall delivery,
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it says like one of three, two of three, three of three
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or whatever on the entry.
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If you tap the one of three or two or three,
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that's the one that then shows up in the main view.
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But Parcel doesn't have that.
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So I, my iPad Pro entry in Parcel says shipped,
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but it hasn't. What shipped was the smart keyboard folio, right? The iPad Pro is actually
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still in processing, but I don't get that until I open it up. So, you know, little things.
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What I love about the, about Parcel too is that when you buy stuff from Apple, and you
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put in an Apple order, right, and it's usually W and a bunch of numbers. Like when the order
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ships from Apple, Parcel detects if it's got a tracking number for...
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Yeah, I just had this for something else.
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For like UPS or DHL.
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And it asks you, additional information
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was found in this item.
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Do you want to switch to the tracking company?
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And you say yes.
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And it automatically changes the Apple order item
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to a UPS or DHL, whatever Apple uses in your country, which
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usually has more information for the step-by-step tracking
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timeline than what Apple does.
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Apple just like they stop tracking. It seems like it just stops but if you're able to get
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or find the actual number for whether it's like DHL, DPD, UPS or whatever you can actually
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get the up-to-date info. I think it kind of feels like Deliveries is made by a team who
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are really good at design in little detail and Parcel is made by a team that's really
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good at extracting data.
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feels to me like Parcel is made by somebody who, like us, buys a lot of things online.
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What I really want, honestly, is for these two apps to just come together. That's what
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I want. I want the design and the detail and that kind of modern feel of deliveries with
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all of the data and information that Parcel has.
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And that's the thing, deliveries are so pretty.
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It's so beautiful.
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And even the widget, you can compare the widgets.
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The widgets are so nice, the icons are so good.
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Like Parcel has some fun icons, but they're just like fun, but Deliveries icons are just
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like really good.
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But I'm pretty sure I will continue to use both of them for my weird needs, but I think
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for my personal deliveries and stuff, I'm going to be using Parcel going forward purely
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because it just does a vastly better job at surfacing the information I want inside the
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And also, like, to your point, it also works better than deliveries in Italy with a couple
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of shipping companies that we have here have had a better experience in parcel.
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So it seems like it's got better international support as well going for it.
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It's been around for a few years also, like, and I never actually paid attention to it.
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It was the Amazon integration that pulled me in, honestly.
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Pretty cool discovery.
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You certainly made a good first pick for your... what did you call it?
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No, I just have an Appetite.
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So I like apps.
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I wish I never would have said it, but I'm also kind of proud of myself too.
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Well, you said it.
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This one is not an app that I have used, but I'm excited about it.
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four. It's been announced. I've used this. I'm sure you have because I don't because
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you are the big app boy but I'm really, maybe you can tell me some stuff
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about it. I'm really excited about it. I'm an only focus user and have been for a
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while. It's in beta now. There's some images coming out and I think it looks
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good. There's a much more modern design which I'm sure is helped by the fact
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that it is built entirely in Swift UI. Yeah. And I saw David Sparks say about
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this is probably the most complex application built entirely in SwiftUI at this point, because
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OmniFocus is no joke, right? It is a big, serious application with a billion different
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features, right? It is a lot going on in this application, so that's interesting to me that
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it's all built in SwiftUI. I'm hoping for a comparable Mac version in design and functionality.
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David seems to suggest that it will hopefully be the case.
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Like, I trust David Sparks in this.
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It seems like from OmniFocus' blog post it has proper sidebar on iPadOS.
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Is that right, Federico?
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That is right.
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It's a proper sidebar.
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I bet that makes you happy, huh?
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It makes me really happy.
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I like consistency for these kinds of things, like context menus, sidebars, keyboard shortcuts.
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OmniFocus are good with this stuff.
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Yes, yes, they are. And I also love how you can collapse the sidebar,
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and you can put all of your custom perspectives in there,
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and you can collapse it and it looks like on the Mac,
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where you just see the icons and it looks really good.
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Oh, that's nice. I just like that they're putting perspectives in a place
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where I can get to them more easily.
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Yes, exactly. And this should be great for Silvia's icons,
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because they are so much easier to use now,
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the custom perspective icons that she's made.
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So it's all very nice,
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and they have that really useful quick switcher,
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which I feel like it's the kind of feature
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that is becoming more and more prominent
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in productivity apps.
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So like when you hit Command,
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usually it's like Command + Shift + O
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or Command + O in apps.
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Like Kraft has it, Ia Writer has it,
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Agenda has it, like Obsidian of course has a similar version.
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What does it do? Is it like an integrated spotlight?
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It's basically like in-app spotlight.
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Like it lets you search and navigate for like sections or documents,
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depending on the app. It's basically always the same feature.
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Each developer does it differently. It's kind of a trend right now, I feel like.
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And OmniFocus 4 is going to have this thing where you can navigate your perspectives,
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your projects, your folders, just by typing on the keyboard, which is very cool.
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And I'm very excited about the reference quick entry coming to iOS and iPadOS.
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Because I said before, I built a shortcut because entering a task in the OmniFocus iOS
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app is a nightmare of things that you have to add, and the Mac app has the quick entry
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field, which you can just bring up anywhere, which I really love, so I just built my own
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shortcut to do it. But sometimes, I'm not kidding, I'm in OmniFocus doing something
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cumbersome to add tasks. But I don't find this on the Mac because the quick entry does
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exactly what I need. So I'm really pleased that they're doing that. And they also reference
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inline editing of task details. So I guess when I'm looking at a task, I can just tap
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it and change the text of it or something. Again, like the Mac. So I've submitted my
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email address to the beta list and as soon as I get approved I'm going to try it out
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because I'm super excited about this. Looks nice.
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What's very nice is that the main outline is editable.
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So like when you're...
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Yeah, that's what I meant, like the inline. I don't think I explained it very well. Because
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also, they call it outline which doesn't jive in my brain. This is just like the list of
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Yeah, I think it's called an outline in Swift. It's like a developer term.
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Don't use that.
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I know, I know. But basically, there's way less back and forth between the main view,
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like the list view, whatever you want to call it, and the inspector. If the inspector is
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still there, but if you want, you could just keep it always disabled. And you can tab through
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the title, the due date, the project, all those things.
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And it's so much easier than before.
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The only thing, I would really like to use OmniFocus
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as my main task manager, but there's a big problem.
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They don't have a web API, right?
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- I thought they were building that.
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- I thought so too, but I couldn't find anything online
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on the OmniGroup forums,
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Because they have a web client, right?
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- Oh, but it's not an API, okay.
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- But it's not an API.
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They have a web app you can use on--
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- A website, yeah.
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- Yeah, because the whole system that I'm building
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in Obsidian, it integrates with Todoist,
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but it could easily, you know,
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if I ever wanna switch to a different API,
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I could easily switch to that.
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- Yeah, we had some questions about that.
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I meant to put it in follow-up.
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Are you using Todoist as your task manager
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or just for things in and out of Obsidian?
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- No, no, no.
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Because of that, I have gone all in.
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I don't wanna use multiple task managers.
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- Okay, so you're back in camp Todoist.
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- Yeah, unfortunately,
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I really miss the reminders integration on the Apple Watch
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that I used to use a lot,
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but because of that, I switched to Todoist.
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Of all the apps within, the task managers within API,
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It was also like the prettiest one.
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I mean, have you seen TickTick?
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Also, is there a TickTick API?
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Maybe there's a remember the milk one.
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- There is or was a command line tools that worked with,
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remember the milk.
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- That's not even close to what Federico asked for.
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- No, it talked to their servers via an API.
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So they had something.
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- Okay. - Command line tools.
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- Remember the Milk web API.
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- Look, you don't--
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- Services API, remember the Milk.
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- Yeah, I guarantee they have it.
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They have everything, except the one feature you want.
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And that's kind of how they tend to work.
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It's like they have everything, except that one thing.
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- Badges on the Mac app, remember the Milk.
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Do it, do it now.
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- That is the end of my app segment.
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- Okay, thank you, thank you, Myke.
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Federico, would you like to begin?
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This actual entire topic was inspired by a tweet that you put out over the last couple
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of days about the Files app.
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Yeah, because I was annoyed by the Files app, because it's a silly app that nobody cares
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about it, it seems.
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So yes, that's my pick.
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I want to see a complete overhaul of the Files app.
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I actually wouldn't mind if they just go ahead and call it Finder at this point.
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I mean, let's just do something different, because this is not cutting it.
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I complained in my tweet about the two basic features that I noticed when I was testing
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the Samsung T5 on the old iPad Pro. I was trying to paste a folder and you couldn't
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see progress, right? You have a 7GB file that you're copying and pasting between locations.
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No, actually, I was doing a backup of my Obsidian database, because I remember what you told
01:20:56
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me, Myke, about CGP Grey losing his database.
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I was like, I got to do something here, and I want to make sure that I have a backup.
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So I was literally moving a folder of plain text files.
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That folder also contains, however, some attachments, some images.
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So it's not like, I mean it's like a 15, 20 megabyte folder.
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First I tried to confirm the size of the folder by checking out the inspector panel.
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They have an info button in the files app.
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It doesn't tell you the size of a folder.
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You select a folder, you hit info, and it doesn't tell you the size of the folder.
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I mean this is an incredibly inconsistent feature for Miro Mac OS, so there isn't too
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much of a complaint there from platform to platform.
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Then I tried to copy and paste this folder from local storage into my iCalc drive just
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to make sure that I had a secondary backup of it.
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When I pasted the folder in the new location, the folder icon stayed dimmed, which I assumed
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it meant that the copy and paste process was still in progress.
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There was really no way for me to tell what was happening because there was no progress
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indicator whatsoever.
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But Federico, it just works.
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No, I don't, I don't, I don't believe you.
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You don't need to see, right?
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It just works.
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Why do you need a progress indicator?
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No, I don't want to see.
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I don't believe anyone here.
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I just want, give me a progress bar.
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Give me some kind of message that tells me, hey, this is what's going on.
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Like, at some point, transparency is more user-friendly than believe in the system.
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You know, just let me know what's occurring.
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Just so that I know, it's fine.
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Like it can be a slow transfer, I don't care, as long as you tell me.
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So that, you know, I can plan my day accordingly or whatever.
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Hey, we gotta go to the park, I moved some files around.
01:23:03
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I mean, it gets even worse. I believe a friend of the show, Chris Lawley, tweeted at me,
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showing me a screenshot of what he has a YouTube channel and showed me, like, I gotta move
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like video assets between locations in files. And usually when I need to do this, because
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there's no progress bar and it's slow, like I have to do this by initiating the copy and
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paste process and then leaving two files windows in split view in the foreground
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and then just get up and go do something else.
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Because I guess if you started doing other things I mean the files app could just be
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kicked out of memory and then you're starting all over again.
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Federico, looking at the screenshot what is in the folder labeled Eddie?
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Eddie is a plain text editor it's a free app from the App Store.
01:23:56
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I'm afraid to shut down your EdiQ fanfic theory right away.
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It's not happening. It's not happening.
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It's just an app from the App Store. It's called Edi.
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Edi is a... Edi... Her name is incredibly good.
01:24:12
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That is pretty good.
01:24:13
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I love that.
01:24:15
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Also, the creator of Edi is in her Discord right now.
01:24:21
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Sorry, I didn't know the name of your app.
01:24:25
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So yes, files.
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Complete overhaul, it will be the simple way
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to describe what I want.
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If I got to be more specific, let's see.
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Starting from the basics,
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let me change the extension of a file.
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It's still not possible in the Files app.
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Like, you want to turn something from --
01:24:46
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You know, sometimes you have those files
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that you got to change the extension
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and they become something else.
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Like, what's an example?
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like it sometimes you change from .zip to something else and you can inspect the contents of the...
01:25:00
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like sometimes you just want to change the extension all right?
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but right from txt to md for example.
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but it just works!
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you cannot do that in files.
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i'm gonna keep saying this as like i'm being annoying.
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this is the problem with a lot of ipad os stuff is in an ideal world you would never do any of
01:25:22
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these things, right? The computer should do all of this stuff for you, it should be smart.
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Yeah, but computers are actually dumb. But it doesn't work like that, right? Like,
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it doesn't work like that. You shouldn't have to sit around and wait for files to transfer,
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and you shouldn't have to care about how long it's going to take. The computer should just do it,
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right? But it doesn't. Having done my job for 12 years at this point, my working theory of
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of computers is that computers are not smart. Computers are powerful. We are the smart ones
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operating them. Computers are stupid because they have no brain. Like they're just chips
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doing things. We are the intelligent ones driving them, which is what causes the problem
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when there's folks like, you know, some developers, like I guess some of the developers of the
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files up thinking "oh but what if the computer had an opinion?" and that's where the problem
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lies like the computer shouldn't have an opinion like "hey this is it just works" nope no the
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computer is dumb we are the smart ones anyway let's see changing extensions um some any
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kind of deeper shortcuts integration i think it's wild that if i want to have proper file
01:26:43
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management features in Shortcuts, I have to use Toolbox Pro, because Toolbox Pro has actual
01:26:51
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files integration with things like you can bookmark folders and you can search and retrieve,
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you can rename, and Shortcuts has none of this built in. Speaking of Shortcuts, I would
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love to see how on the Mac you have customizable quick actions in the Finder Inspector. You
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have those quick actions for resizing, changing file types, and you can install third-party
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quick actions in the Finder. I know that Jon made a custom one for him for image uploads
01:27:27
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for the Mac series CDN, which is nice. It's pretty cool that you can do that. You should
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be able to do the same thing in files and make your own custom quick actions using shortcuts.
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searches or smart folders, right? I mean, this is a much bigger issue that we mention
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on App Stories every few weeks, basically. I don't know what kind of problem Apple has
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with the idea in general of smart folders, because none of their apps have it on iOS
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iPadOS, mail, music, files, just let me save a search, let me make a smart folder, again,
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I know what I'm doing.
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You are the smart folder, remember?
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You are the smart one.
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I am the, well, I'm not smart enough to sort my files though, what's the problem?
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The computer's smarter in that regard, as long as it can actually give you the folder.
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sorting options, again, matching what they do on the Mac. And lastly, I will say a
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built-in versioning system. Again, this is weird because it's actually an
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API for developers. If you're a developer of an iCloud Drive-based application, you
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can use versions. For example, MyNode has a native versioning system based on
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on iCloud Drive, but Apple itself is not using it. They're not using versions in files for
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iCloud Drive. I don't get it.
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Wow, I didn't know that.
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I don't get it. It's been an API for like the past three or four years or something.
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And remember, this is the last item, remember how back in the days of iOS 13 they rolled
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out all those fancy changes for files, like you could pin your files, for example, you
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could keep certain files always offline. There were other changes for developers in the files
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framework for things like search and for adding, I believe they're called decorations, so like
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little status icons to documents in the files app. And then they removed those features
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from the iOS 13 data at some point, and they never came back.
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Have a good back. That was the end of that.
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I want to know what happened to the person, to the intern that was working on pinned files.
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Did they also go back to Scotland? Because, like, I don't get it. Like, it was a feature.
01:30:08
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That was peculiarly specific.
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It's a James Thompson joke.
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Yes. Please get my references. Come on.
01:30:15
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James was in Ireland then. So, you know, get your chronology right.
01:30:21
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Oh, I got the chronology. I'm sorry.
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I mean, he lives in Scotland now.
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Oh, see, that's why I was confused.
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I didn't know James in the past. You know, I wasn't born. So.
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That's not to say that James is old.
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Oh, you're really digging this one, huh?
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Really, just really going for it today.
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Still, somebody made that feature and then disappeared. Why is, like, let me pin my files.
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For my first WWDC feature request, I'm going for a big one, I'm going for an obvious one,
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everyone's talking about it, so I'm picking it.
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I would like, as part of an overall expansion of iPadOS's capabilities, I want to be able
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to plug my iPad into an external monitor and get access to a windowed focused iPadOS system.
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What does it mean, window focused?
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this many times before I think windowing like the idea of windowing on Mac OS and
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on Windows is ugly right like applications overlapping each other and
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all that kind of stuff I find it ugly but ultimately best for my productivity
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because I can have apps laid out however I want I can see multiple apps at once
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without needing to switch between them if I want to just by resizing things I
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can have like I have like six windows in front of me right now and I can look at
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Yeah, I have the Discord, I have Audio Hijack, I have Zoom, I have Safari.
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How do you arrange them?
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How tiny are they?
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Not that tiny, I've got a big monitor here.
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They're not nice, they doesn't look nice to have all these application windows open at
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once, but it is useful.
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That sounds like an nightmare.
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Well this is the thing Federico, I became really allergic to this idea because I was
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in the world of iPad for a long time and now it's like slowly started to creep out of me
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now that I'm using the Mac again and I'm very much in the lots of windows kind of thing.
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And look for me personally now my mind has changed. I love the focus that iPadOS can
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provide so I don't want to make the typical iPad experience like this right? Like I don't
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want to have six tiny windows on my 11 inch iPad like I don't want that. But if I plug
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get into a bigger monitor, I want that flexibility.
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Like the modular computer, as Federico said many times,
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like I want it to go that extra step.
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And so like when it's in this environment,
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now I can have, say, six apps, right?
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Even if you put them in a grid, right?
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I'm fine with that.
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But what I want to be able to do is
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have more than two applications active, available,
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and on screen at one time.
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Now, that I agree.
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My problem is with the potential of like freely
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resizable windows and the overlapping windows.
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I don't need freely resizable.
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Right. Like I wish that there was a way on the Mac natively and in a way that
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looked good to have everything just snap to these certain sizes.
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And I don't like the overlapping.
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I'd never really I do not overlap windows.
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Right. I don't let the windows overlap each other.
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I just resize them so I can see them all at once.
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That's what I like. And so I would be fine with this if they even if they limited it
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to like five or six that would be great because this would make things more
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useful for me I think really as well like it would actually finally make
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multiple app instances or windows on iPad OS useful because I mean I just
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find it messy right like when you like oh you tap that but you go to press and
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hold and then you can choose between the two that you want but like now I could
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actually have two versions of Safari and two versions of I don't know discord
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It's the first app there. Two versions of numbers open and I could use them all at once.
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That's what I'm able to do on my Mac very easily, but on the iPad I've always found
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that experience somewhat lacking. And I think the ability to be able to have multiple, many
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like multiple app opens at a time would be much nicer. I need more control over how many
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things can be on screen, where they are, and their size. That's what I want to see. And
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I don't need this to be a thing for the regular iPad experience, but I really want it to be
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a thing for giving me more opportunity to use my iPad in different environments and
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plugging it into a monitor would allow me to do that. I think it'd be great.
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So I'm going to pick something on the Mac. I'm definitely not alone in this. In fact,
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mentioned a similar thing on App Stories this week, but
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Notification Center on the Mac has never been good. It's always just been stuck over there on the right-hand side
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It used to have a dedicated icon in the menu bar and now you have to click the clock to get to it, which makes
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top half of it or the top section of it is
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notifications
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By default you get three stacks of notifications, and then you can click more so few
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And see the rest of them. I never go in here, so I just have hundreds of notifications in here and
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Then underneath that you have widgets, and they're they look great. They are from iOS, so they're not
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Interactive the way that they used to be but they look really nice, and you know I guess you can
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stash some stuff over there and and see what's going on, but
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They also made notifications worse because they do stop being interactive in Pixar
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It's like you used to be able to apply to an iMessage right on the notification itself. You can't do that anymore
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I don't know about messages in particular, but there are some that do have some
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Like mail you can delete or a message. So there's some interactivity
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I just don't know about messages off the top of my head, but this whole
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deal. Cramming it into a corner, only showing three stacks of widgets at a top,
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three stacks of notifications, having widgets under them, it just
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doesn't work. It's way too crowded. I think having it behind the clock means
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most people just think that this just went away. Like, "Oh, there used to be this
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thing over there I would hit sometimes accidentally, and now it's gone."
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I think there are a lot of things they could do to fix this. I think let
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notifications run the full top to bottom the way they used to. It used to be a
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segment of control so you could flip in between notifications and widgets. I
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think you just make this all notifications. I think you put widgets on
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the desktop or you know bring back dashboard, a place for widgets to live on
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their own. Because the thing that's frustrating to me is if you hit the edit
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widgets button you get, in my case, in my Pro Display, it's about half the screen
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and I can see a bunch of widgets all at once but not to use them but to pick
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from them to see which one that I want over in the sidebar. I'm assuming you are
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not using widgets on your Mac. I have calendar, world clock, and parcel. So my
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widgets on the Mac they just reset all the time. Oh do they? So like I add a bunch of
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widgets and then they just disappear which is great. It's what I want so like
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I want to lay out all my widgets set them all up and then the next then
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something I do something maybe I restart my Mac or whatever that's bad and then
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they're just gone again. Okay, thanks for that. So this corner of Mac OS has never
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been great but Apple has made it noticeably worse in Big Sur. Yeah. And I
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think they really need to rethink it. You have this giant screen, use it, you know?
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And I just find it really frustrating because this could be really useful and
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cool and it's just not. Long live Dashboard. It is funny that they got rid
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of Dashboard and then created a whole new widget thing. Especially because like
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these widgets are confined to a tiny overlay sidebar. Yeah. I really do miss
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that. It's not a sentence that I would have ever thought of saying in 2021 but
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I miss the freedom of Dashboard. Well because Dash... I mean the reason it's
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funny it's just because like Dashboard became useless because there was nothing
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going on right it was an old technology that nobody was using anymore like it
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wasn't a bad idea just then nobody great idea that's why it took off and people
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loved it you know but then it just became something that nobody updated
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anymore nobody did anything for it and I got stuck now like these widgets it's
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perfect for it right like we have the one on our iPhone you know we have one
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our iPad somewhat look they brought back Rosetta and they've brought back
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universal apps just bring back dashboard dashboard - there you go - one - dashboard
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- I think that does it this week mm-hmm all right if you want to read more about
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stuff we spoke about the trackers that we ordered head on over to the website
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relay.fm / connected / 3 4 5 it's an easy one to remember this week you'll
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find all those links there you can also send us an email with feedback or
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follow-up from the webpage. There's also a link to join and you'll get connected
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a bunch of relay FM shows are putting out bonus content for all relay FM
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members so even if you support another show like Reconcileable Differences you
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can hear our special connected pro members can listen to theirs. Lots of fun
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stuff going on so now is a great time to join. Go do it. Myke what's the
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fancy URL people can go to. GetConnectedPro.co. You can find us all online. You can find Myke
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on Twitter as @IMYKE. Myke hosts a bunch of shows here on Relay FM and has an awesome
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Twitch channel where he does keyboard-y stuff at Myke.live. You can find Federico on Twitter
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of Itichi, V-I-T-I-C-C-I. He is the editor-in-chief of MacStories.net, the home of the newest
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app reviewer on the block, Myke Hurley.
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Hello, it's me.
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Federico, you have hired Myke. Congratulations.
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Sure, thank you. Are you not asking me the questions anymore? Have we stopped dating?
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Well, I took a little break a couple weeks ago, and I just haven't found a good time
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to get back into it.
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Could have told me.
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So we'll see.
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been ghosting me. I'm sorry. Sure. No, no, Stephen's the kind of guy who just
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leaves you on red. Yeah, that's rough. That's how he leaves you. Sure, alright. Clearly you didn't do a good job of your
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answers Federico. Yeah, I mean now I feel judged. You didn't intrigue him enough.
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Yeah, I guess. Wow, way way to boost my self-esteem Stephen. Thank you.
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You can find me on Twitter as ismh.
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I like both of these two guys.
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I post a bunch of shows here on the network, and you can find my writing at 512pixels.net.
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It's a great show.
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Until next week, gentlemen, say goodbye.
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Arrivederci.