347: Friendship Ended with Shelf
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From Relay FM, this is Connected, episode 347.
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And today's show is brought to you by Membeful, Pingdom, and ExpressVPN.
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My name is Stephen Hackett, and I am joined by Federico Faticci. Hi Federico.
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Hello, I'm Myke Hurley.
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Hello Myke Hurley. And everyone's confused. No Stephen today.
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If you have the regular version of connected, I think he's going to be showing up in the ads
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If you don't want to hear Steven go to get connected pro.co and you can sign up for connected pro
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And you won't have to hear Steven or ads
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That is the strangest upsell
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That is the strangest upsell that I've heard from connected pro so far
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I know, I just went down that route
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It felt good at the time so I stuck with it. We do have some follow-up
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Apple has attempted to clarify support for Apple Lossless and which devices will work
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and how they'll work. I feel like I understand it less. Are you able to provide any more
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Well, this is the kind of support document where it kind of goes like this. So people
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have a question. So will Hi-Rez Lossless and Lossless be supported on iOS devices without
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or like will it be supported on HomePod?
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And Apple was pretty much, yes.
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Like this support document is more confusing,
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like confuses things more than before.
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I don't know.
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- I feel like it's like, you know,
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I do this sometimes when you say something
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and you put a question mark,
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but in brackets, like in parentheses,
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that's kind of how it feels.
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Like, when it's kind of like, yes.
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Like maybe, I don't know.
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- Like there are so many answers,
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they just go, yes. This is pretty much what this document does.
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Well, my favorite, so like John kind of summarized some of this in Mac stories and he pulled
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in a block quote, which I just love this, where it's regarding the lightning to 3.5
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millimeter cable for the AirPods Max, like will that support it, right? Like if you plugged
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your AirPods Max in via the cable and it says the lightning to 3.5 millimeter audio cable
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was designed to allow AirPods Max to connect to analog sources for listening to movies
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and music. AirPods Max can be connected to devices playing lossless and high-res lossless
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recordings with exceptional audio quality. However, given the analog to digital conversion
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in the cable, the playback will not be completely lossless.
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So what does it mean then? Am I going to get anything better or no or what?
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Well, you're gonna get the kind of quality that whatever kind of bitrate the built-in
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DAC inside of a lightning cable does.
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But they don't say what that is, though.
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No, they don't.
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I don't believe they've ever actually documented in public the kind of DAC that they're using
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inside of the lightning cable.
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I think someone did a teardown of the connector in the cable.
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I'm sure we can find something on the internet.
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Still, so the basic rundown of all this is the AirPods Max,
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they will not support native lossless and high-res lossless,
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even if you connect the cable.
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Apple devices will be able to play lossless using
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the built-in speakers and wired connections.
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If you connect AirPods or other wireless headphones made
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by Apple or made by others, they will use Bluetooth,
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So it'll be lossy. iOS devices will not support, and Macs also, they will not support Hi-Res lossless.
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So in that case, Apple recommends using an external USB DAC. But the HomePod and HomePod Mini,
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they will be updated at some point in the future to natively support lossless playback.
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Now, this is confusing because they say in a future software update, lossless playback will
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be supported on HomePod and HomePod Mini. They don't actually specifically say a software
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update will add support for lossless and high-res lossless, or just one of them. I believe they
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just say "lossless playback". So, again, not entirely clear what that means. I assume...
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So this is now we're entering speculation territory. I assume there's going to be some
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changes around all of this at WWDC. I think we're being sandbagged right now. Yeah, hence
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why Apple is not being entirely honest. They're not being very forthcoming with all of this
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stuff. I was like, I kind of want to tell you, but I cannot. You know, we've been talking
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about this so much that like the other day my brain just started like kind of like moving
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the word lossless around a bunch. Like I was just like poking it in my brain and like the
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The word lossless...
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It doesn't mean anything anymore.
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It doesn't really make any sense because it just means you'll lose less.
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You're suffering from semantic satiation, is that what it's called?
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I was like, hang on a minute.
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Lossless, lossless, lossless.
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Lossless, less loss then.
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It's not completely loss.
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And then it's like lossy and it's like I really just went off on one a little bit and then
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that was gone.
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a few minutes to that the other day. Yeah, yeah, it's very confusing. Look, I think
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Apple is trying to document whatever is going on here at the best of their
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abilities right now, just two weeks before WWDC, where I have a feeling that
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things will start to get more clear in the next software update, because if
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If these are the limitations that we will have to deal with for the next couple of years,
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this is confusing.
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This is really too bad.
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And I do not believe that.
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I think something will have to give here.
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Either iOS devices like, physically speaking, the iPhone, for example, the next iPhone will
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support high res losses, for example, or the AirPods will gain a different chip, or Apple
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is going to do something in the wireless department.
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And I believe we're going to talk about this later also regarding some ideas that I have.
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So we'll see. We'll see. But like, I also tweeted about this a few days ago. I wouldn't
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be surprised if Apple isn't saying the, like, if this support document looks confusing right
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now because there's an AirPlay 3 coming at WWDC. Like, the more I think about it, the
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more... it's the only theory that really makes sense for a bunch of reasons. One of them
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being if Apple wants to add new... what's it called? Wi-Fi radios? Like new Wi-Fi based
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features to an existing product like AirPods, they would have to get like an FCC certification
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in the United States.
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I think they have to do that in Europe too. Just like the Eurasian Commission or whatever.
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Whereas basically the idea is, if you do it in software and you use AirPlay, and you come
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up with a Bluetooth version of AirPlay that somehow, maybe using the H1 chip, can accommodate
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a larger bandwidth than would be allowed with standard SBC or AAC, whatever Apple uses,
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maybe that could be an idea.
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So a brand new version of AirPlay, let's call it AirPlay 3, that can switch over to
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Bluetooth for this kind of lossless playback. Now, and again, we need to simplify this conversation
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if we want to have an audience that listens to this episode. The idea is that Apple needs
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to come up, if they do this, if this theory is correct, and there's an excellent article
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that I tweeted a few days ago that we can link in the show notes, but if Apple can come
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up with a sort of a new version of AirPlay that can also work over Bluetooth and that
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can, and if they can figure out ways around Bluetooth's own like, lossy behavior, and
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maybe say "well, we're using Bluetooth, but thanks to the H1 chip we can, you know, work
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around compression" and things like that, that could be interesting, because it could
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mean all AirPods will be updated to AirPlay 3, and now over AirPlay 3 you can listen to,
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you know, at the very least like the lossless tier in Apple Music without compression, that
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could be interesting. I don't know if it's technically possible, I'm not an audio engineer,
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but obviously the thing, like, the same problem remains, even if they do this. Do you really
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want to listen to lossless music with AirPods? I mean, you can, and I think a lot of people
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are getting stuck on this point of "well, but I need to know that it's technically possible".
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And even if they make it technically possible, you still probably don't want to use AirPods
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or AirPods Pro for that kind of lossless playback. Now, AirPods Max are a different discussion,
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obviously, like, with those kinds of headphones, sure. But we'll see. I do believe that there
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has to be a part of the story that we're not getting so far, and we're not getting it because
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it's too soon, and I gotta believe it has to be something AirPlay and Bluetooth related,
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because the more I think about it, the more I struggle to come up with any other explanation.
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And maybe there is no explanation, which would be my other conclusion.
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There is no explanation, it is what it is, these are the limitations.
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Maybe it's as simple as that.
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But I don't know.
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I like to dream.
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You mentioned WWDC, we are two weeks away and Apple have released the schedule for WWDC.
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There isn't really anything particularly interesting in the sense of anything big and new and bold
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about this WWDC. I think one of the things that is different to previous years is they
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are going to be having a video presentation at the Apple Design Awards, which is something
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Apple used to do and then stopped doing. They're going to have some guest speakers this time,
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which is something that's always been at WWDC but wasn't at last year's. They've detailed
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there'll be 200 in-depth sessions and then a bunch of one-on-one labs and they've created
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these things called pavilions this year where they're collecting up collections of different
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things and like videos and tools and stuff around certain topics. Yeah there's
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and as you would have imagined it's 10 a.m. on June 7th Pacific time for the
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keynote. But that does mean that next week we're doing the rookies again.
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Oh yeah big time we're doing it. Today opened my task manager and had to I was
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kind of like just poking through the next couple of weeks and realized that
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I'd set my task for the Ricky's for the wrong week. I'd set it for next week, right? To
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like start preparing for the Ricky's next Thursday. And that would have been bad for
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me because we would have already recorded them by then. So I moved it to this Thursday.
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I've been preparing, all right. I designed the whole system, obviously, you will not
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be surprised, in Obsidian just for WWDC. Oh my God. Okay. It's funny because I was listening
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to the latest episode of Cortex where you try to explain to Grey what I'm doing in Obsidian,
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and Grey is like "Yeah, that's basically Org Mode" and you're like "What are you saying?"
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That was when he lost me again. Org Mode. I just can't, I don't want to. He keeps bringing
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it up and I hate it.
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So I created like a, I call it a WWDC dashboard, which is like this, it's basically like a
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fancy note that has a bunch of links to other places. One of those places is WWDC predictions,
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So I've been working on those.
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I created this nice button that lets me save something that I hear at WWDC real quick.
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It's all very nice.
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It's a nice workspace that I put together.
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And I have a long list of predictions.
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Now I feel over-prepared for this one, and so I will have to...
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You're gonna overthink it.
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That's the problem.
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That's the problem.
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So I kind of want to stop looking at it, and I want to follow my heart and my passion.
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I don't want to like overstructure the whole thing, so I'm just gonna go with what I feel is right.
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But Hypervisor for sure, I'm gonna mention that.
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Oh yeah, of course, everyone.
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I mean, you're just gonna have to really rush for Hypervisor, because everyone's gonna want to pick that.
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It's lucky that you get to pick first.
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Driver kit, Hypervisor, all of those things.
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Yeah, you're lucky you're the reigning champion, so you get to pick first,
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because otherwise me or Steven would have definitely taken one of those picks for real.
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Oh, that is true!
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speaking of Steven he might not be here today but he did make a really good
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YouTube video comparing the orange iMac g3 to the new 24 inch iMac in orange
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I'll put a link in the show notes to it you should go and watch it it's a very
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beautiful video and it's funny so that's two big ticks in the boxes there I did
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something today so I also have an iMac I have a review in it from Apple that I've
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had for nearly a week now and I did a big review of it on upgrade so if you
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want to hear my thoughts about my lovely little yellow iMac that I'm talking to
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you on right now Federico people can go and listen to episode 3.34 of upgrade
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sitting at this desk today I was kind of I was looking at it because what I had
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on here before was my Mac Mini and a monitor a Dell monitor on a VESA arm and
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one thing which is quite funny because the iMac isn't high enough it's on top
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of my Mac minis my Mac mini is holding it's kind of sad really for the Mac mini
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that it is holding up oh I can it's like potential replacement or at least it's
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temporary replacement and so I had moved my monitor out of the way right it's on
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an arm I could just swing it out of the way so I got out of the way at a desk
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and I thought to myself maybe it would be interesting to bring this monitor
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back into the equation. So I set up today my Dell monitor. It is at 90 degrees so it's
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like in portrait orientation. And I've got it next to my iMac. So I now have a second
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monitor and on that monitor right now is just all the recording tools. So audio hijacks
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there, zooms there and skypes there. So it's just like just the apps that I use to record
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just going to live permanently on that screen.
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So if I was moving from desk like space to space on the main, on the iMac,
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I can always see that everything's recording. I can see all the stuff moving.
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I can check the time codes if I need to make a little edit note or something
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like I've got all of that there. It's intriguing.
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Now what I will say is that Mac OS is support for external monitors is actually,
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I don't think as good as it could be. It's like we're complaining about the iPad.
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So like on the Mac, even on the Mac.
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So here's something I had, right?
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I have my, my dock on the left and I wanted to put this monitor on the left.
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So that meant that my dock would only exist on the left monitor.
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I couldn't get it to shoot and it's not what I wanted because then my monitor is
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all the way, my dock is all the way over here on this.
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It goes all the way up the length of this portrait display, which is quite large.
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So to make this work the way that I, because I want to have my dock on my
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iMac so now I've moved my dock to the right side so I have the dock on the iMac
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and so you can specify where you want like what you want the dominant display
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to be right but that doesn't change where the dock goes if you have it on
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the side of where you're putting one of the monitors and I was doing a bunch of
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searching and I found a load of crappy articles that all said that they could
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help me and none of them could help me you know like when you have one of these
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computer problems and you just find a bunch of other never true. It's never
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no it's all just garbage and so yeah I was just a little bit frustrated about
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that I don't know why I can't say like put as many monitors as I want in
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whatever arrangement I want but my doc should go here and it doesn't do that
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and I find that to be quite strange so that I found that to be an annoyance but
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yeah I'm trying this out as a little experiment I have no idea if I'm gonna
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keep it but I think I think I like it because I feel like my audio hijack
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windows are always obscured by something and I don't want them to be because I
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like to have them I like to see that the dials are moving and all that stuff
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right and like that I can just a glance confirm that everything's still
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recording and all that kind of stuff and so I actually think I kind of like
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having them off on the side here so I don't know what this means for me going
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into the future but as of right now I think I might be a multi-monitor person
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Okay, I have some questions. I kind of want to understand how do you deal with windowing
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on the Mac, particularly in the context of you for a long time worked on the iPad Pro
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as your primary computer, then you went back to Mac OS. So now that it's been a few months
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now, how do you deal with managing Windows? How many do you open? How strongly do you
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feel about, like are you that kind of like, are you really particular about the placement
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of your windows or do you just don't care?
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I'm not particularly particular. I have like a rough idea of where I want my windows to
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be, but they're all overlapping and stuff because I don't like any of these like snapping
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Oh, you don't?
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No, I don't because I like, on the Mac, I like to have lots of apps open. I have lots
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of apps open. So on one, I have two spaces right now, ignoring the external monitor.
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On the space that I'm looking at right now, there's four apps, which is Discord and Overcast
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and Safari. I also have numbers open, but I don't know why that's open. And that's just
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what I'm looking at when I'm recording. And then I have my other space, which has every
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other app that I have open. So it's got Messages, Mail, Todoist, I'm not getting into that today,
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craft, timere, oh yeah i'm using the timere mac app it's amazing it's coming soon, slack
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and notes and that's just kind of like they're my main work apps but they all kind of just
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overlap with each other and that's fine i'm a heavy mission control user and i will just
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click icons in the dock and stuff i kind of give into it on the mac because i've never
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been happy with any of the tools that can arrange it for you i don't like the way that
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the mac does it you know like with trying to do split views and stuff you know i know
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there are these apps like Moom and stuff and I don't like any of those. So I'm kind of
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just like, "blah, just put them everywhere," right? And I'll just work it out. And like
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I move apps around a lot on my display like throughout the day. So I'm just kind of like
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whatever, they just go where they go. Because my personal preference is the way that the
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iPad allows focus. Now as I said before, I want to have more than just two apps and a
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slide over app, right? None of you said that, like that's what I would like, but I find
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that that doesn't, none of those like kind of hey goes here, hey goes there, hey goes
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here type of applications on the Mac don't work for me, I just have everything open and
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it just goes wherever and it all overlaps and I embrace the messiness of it and try
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not to pay attention to it.
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Ok, so I guess you're not using any automation utilities, any shortcuts like Keyboard Maestro,
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those sort of media utilities?
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I'm actually, spoilers for later on, I want to talk about this kind of stuff in our "one
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feature each" section today about automation on the Mac.
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It's not really a world that I've gone into yet because I'm hoping for other things.
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But I know that all these things exist and I could have like, you know, I see all the
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cool kids have their stream decks now, right?
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And they set up all their windows to open and they all go to the right places.
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Why is that?
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What's the deal with stream deck?
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What's the deal with it?
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Someone, I don't know who started this.
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Uh, it may have been Rosemary Orchard, but I know that like everyone's getting them now,
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And they're setting up Keyboard Maestro.
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It's like they just press a button and then like seven apps open and they all go to the
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right places, and this is just a thing that everyone seems to be doing now.
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Interesting. OK. Somebody mentioned it in the Discord. John, the one true John, had
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a really nice tip in the latest issue of Mac
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Stories Weekly about rearranging Windows on the Mac using the native Apple-provided solution.
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And spoiler, it involves pressing the option button and you get a much better behavior.
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If you just do this secret and invisible thing that nobody can discover on their own, the
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feature to move windows gets much, much better than the default.
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Because I don't know about you, Myke, but I really fundamentally despise the macOS split
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view that it takes you into, like, why is that?
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Why is that so confusing?
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And I think it's kind of funny that sort of at a higher level, I don't think Apple has
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fully figured out multitasking anywhere. That would be my statement, right? Because you
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have some things that are excellent on the Mac, and then you have some other things on
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the Mac and you just look at them like SplitView and managing desktops and you're like, "Whoa,
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who thought of this? This is such a bad idea." And then you look at iPadOS and obviously
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it's got many problems, right? Like many, many problems. But then you realize, well,
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some things are actually simple, though. It's nice that there's no confusion as to, like,
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I see two apps at the same time, but I can always go back to the home screen. There's
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some things that are nicer on the iPad than others that are nicer on the Mac, but there
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is no fully cohesive, unifying vision for multitasking. Maybe there doesn't have to
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Here's my kind of view on multitasking.
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It was done a certain way on the Mac and it made sense.
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Then it got out of hand.
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Then Apple tried to make it with the iPad and they didn't do enough.
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It's too simple.
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So now we have two ways of like managing multiple apps, Windows, whatever.
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And they're on the exact ends of a spectrum.
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And there is a middle ground.
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And I think you were talking about some app stories where like,
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Do for multitasking what you did with the cursor on
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Ipads right like it's the same idea
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But it is done more gracefully and with more modern features and of like the OS being aware of the interface more
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Do that and like so my my like hope for
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multitasking on the iPad is
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That it might help inform a new direction or at least a new option
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for how to manage this kind of stuff in a more visually appealing way.
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So multi-monitor mic.
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Interesting. How long is it gonna be before you got a Pro Display XDR?
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Oh, I have no desire for one of those.
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I mean, I'm just holding out for... well, because I don't even know what my computers are gonna be in the future, right?
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Like I have no idea right now. For consumer display.
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Maybe you're waiting for a consumer display made by Apple? Or an iMac.
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So Federico, you sent me a challenge a couple of days ago.
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You had an idea.
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Would you like to tell the listeners what this idea was?
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- Well, we on this show, Unconnected,
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we have been fortunate over the years
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because a bunch of really nice things happened to us, right?
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We were featured on stage at WWDC once.
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Tim Cook stood in front of our artwork
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and that was a beautiful moment.
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We had all sorts of adventures on the show.
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We did live shows with surprises.
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I was able to talk about my iOS reviews.
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We were able to interview folks at Apple.
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We did embargoed episodes.
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All kinds of nice things happened over the years.
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But one thing where we are extremely fortunate
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and privileged and lucky--
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I didn't know where you were going with this,
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and I hate you for doing it.
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--is that this is the only show where
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we have the TVOS guy. Nobody else, no other tech podcast has a TVOS guy. We are the only ones
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who do. So Michael, I thought, why not have the new Apple TV remote, colon, the TVOS guy review?
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So here we are. I actually really like this idea, it didn't cross my mind. I only remember
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I'm the TV OS guy in like the first week of September. You only remember once a year.
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But yes I am the TV OS guy and I do have, as is typical with me with these things, a
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surprising amount of opinions. Obviously, see, you are the TV OS guy. Not just the TV
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OS remote but the new Apple TV. I didn't just buy the remote because I'm the TV OS
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I need to have the the bleeding edge hardware for testing. I've got to make sure I have the right amount of RAM
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just in case Apple makes multitasking on the Apple TV.
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So the new TV remote is chunky.
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It's big and it's chunky. It is, I think, surprisingly large.
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I feel like I wasn't aware of what the dimensions of this thing was actually going to be like.
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and when it arrived it was like oh okay I immediately understand that you have built
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a remote to be nicer to hold because it's thick it's got a curve on the back which it doesn't need
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to have that's clearly so it feels comfortable in the hand and it is very obviously significantly
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longer than is needed it doesn't seem like there is a lot of additional stuff going on inside this
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remote that you would need to make it so much larger than the one it replaces in thickness
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and in length, right? Like it's, you can tell, is like there's just this, I just believe this
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has been designed to be much nicer for the sake of ergonomics, right? For people to hold in their
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hands, yes. It's made for human hands, as opposed to just trying to be the essence of a remote. Did
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they say the essence of a remote? I believe that totally sounds like a Johnny Ive thing to say.
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I mean, who knows? Possibly, right?
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Do you remember the iPod Shuffle where they removed all the buttons
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and you could operate it via voiceover?
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Right. That's the Siri remote.
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Where they tried to take away everything
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and provide you with, like, the most perfect and simple thing.
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It's so thin and small.
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What if your remote was an idea?
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Yeah. What if your remote was just a soul?
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And you know, like, yeah.
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And so that was what we got.
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And now they've gone back to the iPod Shuffle
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with a bunch of buttons on it.
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And it literally looks like the iPod Shuffle as well.
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Like, it looks like the white one,
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the original iPod Shuffle.
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The curve on the back feels great.
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It's made for human hands.
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This is a remote made for human hands.
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The buttons are nice and clicky, and they sound good.
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I think that there's, I believe there's some air inside,
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like it is hollow inside, right?
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'Cause it's quite light.
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So I imagine that there's some resonance
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when you're pressing the buttons as well as it feeling nice.
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So I think that they've done a good job there.
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So it feels good, it sounds nice.
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I don't know if you notice as well,
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if you look at the bottom,
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there's like next to the lightning port,
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there's two little screws.
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Did you see those?
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- Let me grab the remote.
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(upbeat music)
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Okay. - Okay, he's got it.
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So you can see at the bottom of the remote,
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there are two tiny screws
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and there's like a seam that runs around the outside.
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- Have you opened them?
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- No, I haven't done that.
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I thought about it,
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but then realized I would probably destroy it.
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And so I think basically, this is just,
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they just put the remote in, right?
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It's just a shell.
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They just slide the guts of the remote in there
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and screw it in.
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And so when I looked at something like that,
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I was like, okay, all of this just seems to tell me
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that they have eschewed some of the typical things
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we'd expect from Apple, seamless and small and light and thin, to actually make a better
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product for its intended use case.
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They just made a thick remote and yes, I love it.
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I find personally that it is very natural to use either the swiping gestures or the
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D-Pads. So the central area which is, I can never remember if it's concave or convex,
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one where it goes in right not out so it's like dips into the middle yeah I
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don't know either right and so there's it's got that's also touch sensitive as
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well as the ring that goes around it's concave that is called telling me it's
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the concave button and so this area is also touch sensitive as is the ring the
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kind of the jog wheel that goes around the outside and I like that I have the
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option so I can swipe or I can click and I think it works great I always found
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swiping through the UI to actually be a nice feature. It was helpful in a lot of
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ways but the problem with the previous remote is that the touch area was just
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too large. It occupied far too much of, I'm not telling you anything you don't
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already know right, like but just to add all the context for this discussion, it
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was just too large which just meant that there were too many accidental touches
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and sometimes if you just wanted to go over one, you know like you're on one
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tile you just want to go over to the next tile it's very easy to skip over
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and there it was possible to click the old remote in certain places but it
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didn't always work the way that you wanted it to so I like that now I have
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the option to swipe or I have the d-pad buttons because the d-pad like the old
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iPod as well as being touch sensitive you can also physically click it and the
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physical clicking you can go like just in one like left left left right right
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right down down down that kind of thing. I think that this is really nice for if
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you're say jumping over to one episode, you're selecting the next app in the
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home screen, I've also found it to be much nicer for if I need to type
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something into the UI to use the clicking or a combination of both. You
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know like if you do overshoot on a swipe now, it's way easier to just go back
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by one rather than overshoot again and then overshoot again and then you
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finally get to where you want to be. Also with the jog wheel being touch
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sensitive, they've added a new way for you to seek through content. So one of the
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great things about the swiping was that it was really easy to just you just
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click on the old remote and you can just swipe through content right but again
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because of the way that the swiping action works will be very easy to kind
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of overshoot it. But now there is the option to use your finger or your thumb
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to scroll around the outside of the wheel, like the jog wheel, and you get a
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much more precise movement. There's a little bit more inertia going on and it
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moves a little bit slower than the swipe does and I think provides for a
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nicer experience to move backwards and forwards through content. Now I have
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noticed that you have to be quite intentional when you start this
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animation. I was very confused by this because sometimes I was doing what I
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thought was the swiping around to the left and right but the Apple remote was
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thinking that I was swiping left and right on the touchpad it was very
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confusing. Yeah I cannot get this to work at all like I don't know how to do the scrubbing.
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Myke Hurley the tvOS guy is here to help you and I can tell you exactly
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what you need to do. So by default what I do and I just tried this now again I put
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my thumb on the outer part of the ring and I go in a clockwise motion. But if I do that
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and I'm scrubbing when watching a video, the scroll, what's it called, the progress bar,
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it just goes back and forth, like left to right, and it doesn't actually advance. Like
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it goes from one minute to six minutes and then it goes all the way back to one minute.
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It's super confusing, I don't get it.
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So I can tell you exactly what you need to do. So, there is just a little process, I
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I think the process is fine once you've understood it.
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The trick is click down in the center
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or pause the video with the play pause.
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And so you get the little progress bar that comes up.
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Place your thumb or your finger just down for a second
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on the remote, don't move it.
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And then you'll see the little circle pops up.
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- You get the circle.
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- Yeah, so you have to kind of hold it down for a second
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and then you can start doing it.
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So you're switching between the two modes.
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And the animation here--
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Why two modes?
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I don't know.
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I kind of wished that you could just choose.
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However, I do like that there's the combination of the two.
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So what I'll tell you is now I know how to do this.
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I've gotten very used to this over the last couple of days.
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And it's not like the first time I did it, I was like, why did they do this?
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Once you kind of internalize this action,
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now I feel like I have a choice depending on what I want to do in either environment.
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So what I would suggest is sit with this for a bit, get used to it, and I think you will
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like that you have the option because that's kind of where I feel.
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But it's so confusing that it never tells you that you can do this.
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Yeah, so you again, I will just reiterate this.
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So on the remote, you click down in the middle, so it pauses or you get the progress bar to
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come up so you can pause or click down.
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You rest your thumb or your finger on the ring like the jog wheel.
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And if you look at the Apple TV, if you just rest and hold it, you'll see a little white
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circle appear over the progress bar. That's when you know that you're in kind of jog wheel mode.
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That's the good mode.
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That's the good mode.
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AKA the good mode. And I will tell you a really nice thing about this, one of these beautiful
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Apple details. So the white ring on the TV has a little black circle, like a little dot. That
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is matched to where your finger is on the wheel. So as you move your thumb around the wheel, the
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the little black dot on the wheel on the TV,
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the white wheel on the TV,
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will move in one-to-one motion with you.
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Very nice. - That's nice.
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I'm gonna give you another detail.
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So when you're in good mode
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and you're scrubbing through a video,
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when you go back to the moment where you paused the video,
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you see there's a gray dot indicator
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that shows you the moment where you paused.
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when the white circle exactly overlays that moment,
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meaning you're back where you started,
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you will see these wipe down for info message
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at the top of the screen.
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So that also serves as a visual aid that tells you
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this is where you started scrubbing from.
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- If you wanna go back.
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- If you wanna resume, you actually,
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like when you reach the, when there's an overlap
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between the gray circle and the white circle,
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you get the, it basically tells you in the UI.
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- So going back to the D-pad itself,
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one of the really nice features again
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of the original Siri remote is the ability to click left
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and right on the remote and you can go forward and back
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by I think it's 10 or 15 seconds.
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But again, this was something that was difficult
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to do correctly without accidentally swiping.
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Now with the buttons and the clicking, this is way nicer.
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and stuff like these, these kinds of interactions where you can click instead of swiping,
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I think it's another reason why you have that slight delay before you enter the swiping
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kind of the good mode as we call it. So it will allow you to click through things like you can
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just click 10 10 10 and you know you you can move forward or move back without then starting a
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swiping motion. So I think there's just that little affordance there to make sure that the system is
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is accurately detecting what it is that you're wanting to do at that moment, whether it's to use
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these like the jog wheel as a button or a swiping indicator or a swiping area.
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So before you told me the tip about the good mode, and it was in my notes, I kind of wished
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that I could disable the touch gestures altogether on the remote. I do still pick up some accidental
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touches while handling this remote. I should also say that like usually when the dogs jump
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on the bed and the remote just flies around, that usually happens, like some accidental
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touches are registered and the UI does something weird.
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So I would probably welcome the ability to just say outright disable touch mode on this
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But the thing you just shared is also very nicely done, so it kind of counterbalances
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just got an email notification just pop up on my screen that was a dispatch
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notification for my second Apple remote for my old Apple TV which I'm bringing
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to the studio because I was like oh I'll just bring the old Apple TV and that
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will be fine after just two or three days after I got used to the new remote
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I can't use the old remote anymore I must get the new one so that's why I
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purchased two immediately because I knew this was gonna happen yeah I hadn't
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realized how much I wanted a dedicated power button until now. So there's a
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dedicated power button on the remote that you just hold down for a second and
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it turns everything off, which is way nicer than hold, press. Like you know you
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just have to do these multiple actions to turn everything off. Having that dedicated
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power button is great and one of the good things about the the power button,
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this remote and also the mute button is if you were not having luck with HDMI CEC
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which is a mode that allows for a device to turn on and off a television, right? So
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you could use your Apple TV to turn on or off television control, volume and stuff
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like that. This always worked for me with my televisions. I could always make this
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work and it was fine. But now, but this doesn't always work and even if you have
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a TV that says that it will work, but you know, so they have now added an
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infrared transmitter to the Apple remote, which is why it's got that kind of
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see-through section, like the dark see-through section, and all of these dedicated buttons
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can be programmed to work with your television so you can then control remote, the volume
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turn it on and off and stuff like that.
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What a concept, right? A power button, an infrared sensor. It's almost like they finally
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listen to the long tradition of TV remotes. And, you know, this is good. It's good when
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Apple, they will never say they were wrong about something, obviously. This is not what
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Apple does, even if you ask them "what do you think of the Siri remote?" "Oh, the Siri
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remote is great, but the new one is even better." They never say that something, you know, was,
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they will never, obviously, I mean, they're a company, they will never say "you know what,
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that actually sucked, you're right, it was terrible." They will never say that, but it's
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nice when you can clearly see, oh, you understand now where the problem was, and you fixed it.
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The flying beagle has shared in the discord, it is actually possible to disable the touch
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surface on the new remote.
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If you go to settings on the apple tv, go to remote and devices and then clickpad, you
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can select click and touch to allow both clicking and touch surface tracking or select click
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only to turn off touch surface tracking.
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I don't recommend this because what that's going to do is it's going to turn off the
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good mode for you, right?
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Because it's going to disable touch.
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I don't think this is the right way to go.
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I think it is possible to get used to the new one.
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But if you do just want to use this remote as just up, down, left, right, and center,
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you can do that.
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That is tempting.
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But I wouldn't recommend it.
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Because I genuinely think one of the best features of the Apple TV is how smoothly you
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can scroll through things.
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But how often am I really scrolling through things?
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All the time.
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WYO's intro is like four and a half minutes long and I don't want to watch it every time.
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I'm not one of those people. I can only watch that song so many times.
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So there's people that really get upset about skipping the intros, right? It's a whole thing?
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Yeah, it's a whole thing. But if I'm binging a television show, if I'm watching three episodes
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in a day, I don't need to see it three times. I just don't. So, you know, like I like to
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be able to scroll through for stuff like that. And I do like to be able to go backwards and
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forward through content if there's something I wanted to catch again or
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whatever I like to be able to have that precision and I do find that the new the
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good mode provides for greater precision that's good point going back to the
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dedicated buttons I love having a mute button now too that's great yes but I
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have a question that I cannot understand they put the mute button in the same
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location as to play pause button those on the old remote okay and I don't know
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why they did that because the play pause bottom was bottom left now the play
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pause button is above bottom left where mute is bottom left. So at the moment I
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keep muting things all the time and I'm not sure exactly why they did this.
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Well I have a conspiracy theory. I would love to hear it. That's because they never
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want you to stop watching. They just want you to put it quiet, never stop. So I don't
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know why they did this. I feel like they could have added the mute button in
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above the play/pause button and kept it in the same place but again I will get
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used to this of course but it's just an interesting thing I'm not sure why you
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would do that. So in conclusion I have more to say about the Apple TV but in
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conclusion the remote I think this remote is perfect for the Apple TV now
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to the point where it is incredible to me to think that the same company made
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both of these remotes. It really is because the Apple TV the Siri remote the
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original Siri remote had some interesting concepts going on, but it seemed to be purposefully
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going against typical remote design.
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Where this version...
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That's a very elegant way to put it.
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This version is doing the opposite of that, where it is working within the conventions
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of what a typical remote could be and should be and adding in some functionality.
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Like it really is intriguing to me that this was done.
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And again, we spoke about this, I don't like to play this game too much, but this also
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feels like the potential of a significant change over an industrial designer Apple.
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That you would go in such a harsh left turn.
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Well until you see MacBooks with ports, including HDMI.
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No, but even then though, right?
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The thing about this remote is it wasn't fit for purpose and they kept it for such a long
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time. So I think it wasn't like, "Oh, we know we f'd up here. Let's change this."
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So you don't think this is an apology remote?
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No because they would have done that ages ago. My feeling is this is a remote designed
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after a change of direction for… like a change of direction in industrial design.
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Like it's a broader thing. It's not just the remote. Yeah, I get it.
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And I think we're seeing that in other places, right? But, you know, and again, if you see
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the removal of the touch bar, the addition of ports on MacBook Pros, even this iMac that
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I'm talking to you on now.
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The iMac, I mean, look at that. It's like the ultimate proof.
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It's very, very different. And whilst it does things like thin and light, right, which is
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what Apple loves, but there's just so much that is different just from the visual of
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this machine. So I really love the remote and I really recommend people stick with it
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if they're confused about it or they're not 100% sure of it,
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I really recommend sticking with it.
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I am quite a heavy Apple TV user.
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All of my media content is consumed on the Apple TV.
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- Same, yes.
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- So, you know, if you're wondering like why,
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well, maybe I use it more than you maybe, I don't know,
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like not you, but like the listener.
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So I recommend sticking with it,
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really trying to get to grips with what it can do.
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I think that it is a vastly superior device.
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Two things I would have liked to see personally.
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I don't understand why this remote doesn't have one.
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I don't buy Apple's explanation that because it's thicker,
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you're less likely to lose it in your couch or whatever.
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This is the perfect device for the U1 chip.
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I've seen people 3D print AirTag compatible cases
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for the new remote.
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And it's like, oh, that shouldn't be necessary.
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There should be the U1 chip in here.
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And also, why haven't we gotten a TV remote
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with haptic feedback yet?
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I feel like it would be super nice
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to have that extra tactile confirmation,
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like when you're scrubbing, for example, right, in a video.
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And when, like when the little circle
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gets over the other circle,
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it will be nice to have some little haptic feedback
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going on there.
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I don't know, I just feel like it would be nice to have--
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- It would be nice. - It would be nice
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to have that, but mostly the U1 chip,
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I don't really understand.
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But overall, if you were, I know Myke, that in your long-form TV reviews you don't do
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scoring, but if you were to score this remote, how would you grade it?
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I think I would go with an 8.
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Oh, and your TV scale goes from 1 to 7.
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Of course it does.
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Then I'm going to give this a 5.5 out of 7.
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Where the previous one may have gotten, say, a 2.5.
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- What would give it that extra,
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I think this remote is great,
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but I haven't given it higher than 5.5
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because you've just listed a selection of features
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that would make this thing even better.
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So I don't want to score it too high, right?
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- So like a U1 chip would be fantastic.
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It's perfect for this device.
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A haptic motor would also be really wonderful for tvOS.
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I feel like tvOS and haptics feel like
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they would go really nicely together
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just from a UI perspective.
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So there are things to add.
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Yeah, and we know that the highly coveted, you know, 7 out of 7 by Myke Hurley, it's,
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you know, it's a...
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7 out of 7 TVs.
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You know, it's a big deal.
00:49:02
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So you really stepped up your game here, because there's a second chapter.
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It's a whole second segment.
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Which is a review of the Apple TV.
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We're gonna need a table of contents here.
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Wait till you see the animations that I've got going on.
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Ooh, I bet, I bet.
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Animations in a podcast, it's the perfect medium for it.
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They're happening right here in front of me, it's a shame you can't see them.
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Yeah, I know.
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I got the new Apple TV.
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I was reminded just how nice it is to set up an Apple TV.
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It is Apple's best setup experience of any of their OS platforms.
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All you need to do is bring your phone near it.
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It has way fewer screens to go through and this home screen syncs.
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So not only does it download all your apps, you just put them in the right place, it's
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You don't need to do this whole iCloud backup thing or whatever.
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It's just like, "Oh hey, you want all these apps?
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Here you go, they're all there for you and they're in the exact place you left them."
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It's so simple.
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This is one of those features where if I were an Apple manager, I would go to the engineers
00:50:02
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and hold an iPad and an Apple TV and be like, "You see home screen sync on this thing?
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it on the other thing too. It's like, please sync my home screen on iPad. Like, let me
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have this setup flow on other devices too. Just let me sync the thing. I love it. I love
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the setup of the Apple TV. It's really well done.
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But the new Apple TV, so I don't even know what, this is the one thing I'm unprepared
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about and I feel terrible right now. I don't know what this Apple TV is actually called,
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Apple TV 4K?
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It's the Apple TV 4K, but it must be some kind of version number, right? So let's say Apple TV 4K
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2021, we'll call it that. The Apple TV 4K 2021 actually got a pretty significant new feature,
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which is support for eARC. I don't know what the e stands for, but ARC stands for audio return channel.
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Electronic. Electronic audio return channel is who we're going with. No, I don't know. I'm just guessing.
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No, I don't know either, but we're just choosing that. So this is a new feature for the new
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It's enhanced, enhanced audio routine.
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Enhanced, anything could be, I like electronic though. So this is a new feature for the new
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Apple TV for if you also have the original HomePod paired to it for audio output. So
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you have to be in like, we're multiple levels down, right?
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Okay, okay, so new Apple TV discontinued HomePod, right?
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And a television that supports eARC.
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You have to have all of these things.
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So if you have a television that supports eARC,
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and you have the new Apple TV,
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and you have HomePods paired to it,
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it is best for a HomePod pair,
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but you can use it with a regular HomePod,
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you will be able to play audio from any device
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you have connected to your television via HDMI.
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So, any device, yes, any device plugged into your TV, so you just could be a games console
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or anything audio related via HDMI.
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If it's plugged into your television, you can use this like it basically will send the
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audio through the EOC HDMI, through the Apple TV.
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It's like a pass through, it is a pass through, it's actually a pass through to your home
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This took me a little bit to set up just right,
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because I had a bunch of settings
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that I needed to configure on my OG TV.
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Very easy to find in Google, by the way.
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But, and I had some weird parts where at one point
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it was just coming out one of my HomePods.
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I actually took the time to reset my HomePods
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to factory settings,
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which is something I've been meaning to do for a while,
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because I was having some issues
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with the HomePod pair connected to the Apple TV.
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I've been meaning to do this, I did it,
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and it's been working great since then.
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This feature is in beta.
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It's actually labeled as such in the Apple TV settings.
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And there's like this whole thing where like,
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it needs to, like a TV goes black for a minute
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and then it works.
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And then sometimes it's like, oh, hey, this didn't work.
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We're gonna try again.
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And if it works, we'll let you know,
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like it's very early, this feature.
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But what this allows me to do
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is to play my PlayStation 5 on my TV
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and have the audio coming from my HomePod pair behind me.
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And it sounds amazing.
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So I've got some sound separation going on.
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Music and games sound significantly better,
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but also gameplay does as well.
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I believe it's doing something,
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it's taking advantage of surround sound output somehow,
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'cause the PlayStation has support for that.
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- The PlayStation 5 has 3D audio.
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- I don't think it's doing that.
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So in the settings, it knew it was doing eARC
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in the play section and it was showing me, I couldn't change any of the settings, but
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I saw surround sound from point one as the audio output. It's like I was playing a racing
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game, duh, and I was playing Spiderman and I could hear a little bit, Spiderman was better,
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I could hear things happening on the left and right of me that were different, right?
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So, and I will say, I mean, look, I am not a first person shooter gamer, right? But there
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didn't feel like there was any latency and if there was any I was about to ask
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I'm sure this is a thing right I'm sure that there is more latency than if you
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just had it coming through the TV but it was I couldn't notice it and I was
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looking for it now would I recommend you play competitive call of duty doing this
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no probably not because I'm sure it's gonna glitch out sometimes it did glitch
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out well like I was just like two two or three seconds the sound was just coming
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from one home pod and then it corrected itself. This is a beta feature. I wouldn't
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recommend you do this if you're in a competition mode. But I can now play my
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PlayStation with vastly improved sound. This is exactly what I wanted. I've been
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you know I had complained about this for a long time when the home pod came out
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originally. When I set this up as like the home pod pair I wanted to have
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everything available to me and now I do. I would say if you are like me you have
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a HomePod or two HomePods, especially if you're already using your HomePod PEP of your AppleTV
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for audio and you have an eARC TV, this makes the new AppleTV a must-buy product for you.
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This doesn't work with a HomePod Mini by the way, and that's what's so hilarious to me
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here. This only works with the now discontinued HomePod. So I have two potential theories
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here. Theory number one is the tvos team did not know that the homepot was getting killed
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When they started work on this feature because why go to all this trouble?
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Second theory here, which is the one that I actually really subscribe to is this is labeled as a beta
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I think because they are getting ready to make a
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Improved product to take the homepots place. I think it will be something more soundbar related
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I definitely think that now and they're you know, they have time here because this eARC stuff
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I think it's hard to
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Sell the product on this because there's so many things that have to be in place for somebody to truly be able to take advantage
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Of it, but I think that Apple is starting to build towards a better home entertainment product
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that is the home pod and if you look at things like potentially new airplay and
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lossless and then being able to listen to you know be able to have the sound of your
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playstation coming out of this thing i think we are moving towards a new product that will
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fit this space because i genuinely don't know why you would ship this feature if it would
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only ever work with a product you no longer make i don't know why you'd go through all
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that trouble and then why you'd ship it it's really backwards like yeah this brand new
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feature that is really difficult to get right.
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But it's kind of like the best way to do a beta for this really. It's like it is a very
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niche audience that can even take advantage of it if they want to. So you just get the
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data that you need about how this goes and it's in a small sample set. But I love it.
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I mean it works great for me. So I'm, you know, it was kind of funny. I just was when
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And I didn't know this feature was coming to the Apple TV.
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And I just bought the new Apple TV because it was like "I'll just get the new Apple TV".
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I could do with a second one because then I can bring one here to the studio, have one
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And now I'm really pleased that I did it because I'm now benefiting from the exact feature
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that I've wanted for years.
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So I'm really happy with that purchase.
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You know if I had enough room for them I would actually try and set up the two HomePods that
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I still haven't sold just for this, although I'm not sure my TV supports eARC, so all of
00:58:10
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this is useless anyway. I'm supposed to buy a new TV first, but I don't want to buy a
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new TV because it's a whole thing and I don't have the patience for it. So I am just going
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to use my Sony PlayStation 5 headphones for 3D audio. Let me tell you, it's spooky, especially
00:58:27
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if you're playing returnal with 3D audio. Yeah, no thank you. Yeah. You know, I totally
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a tangent. I cannot play that game, I don't think. Like, I really love it.
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Oh, even you've fell off it now?
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It's too... I don't know, maybe I'm not in the right mindset at the moment. I need calming
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and chilling games. Like, right now I cannot play Returnal. It's too tense. So, I don't
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Side note of a side note, and I know that the reasons for this are very obvious, but
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In terms of games, the new console generation has been kind of disappointing so far.
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There hasn't really been anything, and I know why that's happened, but I will just
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say, if you're one of these people, like One True John, who can't get a PlayStation
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You haven't missed out on much.
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You haven't missed out on anything, really.
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Yeah, I am going to get the new Ratchet and Clank in a couple of weeks.
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one of the first true PlayStation 5 games, right? So...
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And months that these consoles have been out by that point.
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Yeah, but that's the... I feel like that's the kind of game that I need right now. You
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know, big, beautiful, colorful, lighthearted kind of game where you're just shooting things
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and you're controlling like this cute little animal. Yes. That sort of game is for me right
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now. I finished Spider-Man and that was great.
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- Returnal is... - Even that Spider-Man, which was great, was building on a previous game.
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- You know, like, there haven't been... - Yeah, it was more like a...
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Returnal was like the first, I think, PlayStation 5 game that was made for the PlayStation 5
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that wasn't a game somewhere else, you know?
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- Yeah. - So there just hasn't been a lot of it.
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It's not that there hasn't been none of it, but there just hasn't been a lot of it.
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And so, you know, which is fine, and these consoles are around for a long time, and all
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those games will exist eventually.
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But it was something that I realized, which is like, I bought this PlayStation, and I
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I've barely played anything on it because there just hasn't been any games that I've
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been that interested in.
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I've actually been playing more on Xbox lately because PS5 is great for the exclusives and
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those are not here yet.
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The Xbox is also great.
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Game Pass is such an incredible deal.
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So I'm gonna get wretched and clank but don't feel bad if you were unable to get a PS5.
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because like it's gonna be like maybe for the holiday season.
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I mean, let's face it.
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Honestly, we're all just waiting for the new Zelda on the Switch.
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I mean, come on, you know, so.
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Let's be real.
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In conclusion, this Apple TV.
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What's your conclusion?
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You want my rating?
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I'm going to give the Apple TV 4K 2021 a five out of seven.
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Which would be a big jump, maybe from like a 3, because I'm so excited about this eARC
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It really has provided me with something that I want.
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Really though, the Apple TV itself, there's just still some fundamental flaws with the
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product, and Apple's working it out.
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Because I'm also including tvOS as part of this score, because it's the whole package.
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And TVOS still lives in this weird world where Apple wanted there to be more than just streaming
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And you notice that the box, the box for the new Apple TV, it has on the back of it a bunch
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of logos for streaming services.
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So on mine in the UK it has Apple TV+, Netflix, BBC iPlayer, YouTube, Prime Video and Disney
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plus and says home to all of your entertainment. Do you know what it doesn't say? So many games.
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Doesn't say that on there. So many apps, you can't wait to shop, right? And so I think
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I said this in my tvOS review last year that it felt like Apple was truly starting to accept
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the fact that what this device is for is streaming video. That's what it's for. And they want
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it to be something more, but it isn't. And I feel like Apple understood this with the
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Apple Watch way earlier and lent further into what people were using the Apple Watch for,
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then I feel like Apple have leaned into what people are using the Apple TV for and I hope
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that they continue to, and I'm looking forward to tvOS for that, to see if there's going
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to be anything this year that suggests that to me.
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And you know what else it can be?
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A Thread Router.
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But we're gonna talk about that in the future because I'm building a whole like thread setup at home.
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Let's talk about it next week maybe.
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Alright, I'm intrigued. I'm intrigued about that.
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Well, probably not next week. Next week's the Ricky's but sometime in the future.
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Well, at some point in the future.
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Well, Myke, well done. Beautiful review.
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The production quality has obviously gone way up.
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- The animations. - Compared to the animations,
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everything, the table of contents,
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like well done, well done.
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The new remote, the new Apple TV,
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5.5 and five out of seven.
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So positive reviews overall.
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- Very positive. - Yes.
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- So there have been some rumors that the iPod Touch
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may be like a phoenix from the flames
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coming back this fall to celebrate the 20th anniversary of the iPod.
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So this is something that Steve Moser of MacRumors has been referencing on Twitter with some
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renders of what a device like this could look like.
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Basically a very modern looking iPod Touch styled in the iPhone fashion.
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I would imagine very thin, nice with some colours and a screen on the front, I don't
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know whether it would be OLED or LCD but like an edge to edge screen, that kind of thing.
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So this is going around, and this sent you on a little bit of a vision quest.
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Yeah, so I was thinking about Apple Music's upcoming lossless and high-res lossless support.
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So right now Apple hasn't of course rolled out those audio quality options yet, but I
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was thinking like in the future when I'm going to be listening to, like when I'm going to
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be testing Apple Music's lossless support. There will come a point where I will have
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to choose between lossless and high res lossless. And obviously Apple says if you want to use
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high res lossless you gotta plug in an external USB DAC and drive your headphones or other
01:06:49
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equipment with that. And so I was thinking about this, like how is it going to work in
01:06:54
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practice, that every time I want to switch between tiers, I just have to, like, between
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audio settings, I need to manually go to Settings, Music, Audio Quality, and adjust it every
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single time. Apple made no mention of, like, automatically switching your audio quality
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when it detects, right, that a specific device has been plugged in. So I assume that is how
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it's going to work. And I thought, man, that's going to be annoying. Like, every time I need
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to go in there and make sure that I'm picking the right setting. And so I thought, well,
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you know me, I thought, what if I had like a dedicated iOS device that was permanently
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set to high res lossless, like the highest possible setting, so that every time I plugged
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in my USB DAC, it would always be set like that, to high res lossless. And I thought,
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"Well, I can probably use like a spare iPhone for that, that is only set up for music and
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that is always set to the correct option." And then a light bulb went off in my brain.
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I was like, "Wait a second. What if I've seen these rumors of the iPod touch? What
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if the iPod touch is coming back as the ultimate music device?" And I sent you guys a message
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this theory and we decided to talk about it, but basically my thinking would be, and this is totally
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like speculation and theory, sort of like "what if", and my "what if" in this case is,
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what if Apple is bringing indeed, you know, back the iPod touch back? Because the iPod touch has
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been, the iPod turning 20 this year has always been the device for music lovers, right? And then
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And then it became, I mean, the iPod Touch became a device for children, I think, right?
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It became a games device.
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And I think the key was like my first iPhone was the idea.
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But yeah, I like the iPod's heritage is music.
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It's always, it's music and Apple likes to say music is in our DNA and we love music,
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you know, all those things.
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But the iPod Touch, like you said, along the way sort of lost its soul as an iPod and became
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the cheaper iOS device that you just give to a kid to play games.
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But kids, these days it's easier to have older iPhones or just older iPads that are sticking
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around for a long time and give those to a kid.
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So why bring back the iPod Touch now?
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Sure, the boring explanation could be Apple just figured they wanted to update the iPod
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touch to provide customers with a cheaper point of entry into the iOS ecosystem. And
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sure, I can get behind that, but I think my theory is more exciting.
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Basically what I'm saying is nobody cares about the iPod touch anymore as it is, but
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what if it came back with a new sort of music focus? Apple is obviously running into limitations
01:10:05
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right now when it comes to the DAC that is built into its lightning connector, right?
01:10:11
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That is preventing high-res playback directly on iOS devices.
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But what if the iPod Touch came back as an iPod for music lovers again, and what if it
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supported high-res lossless natively, had a powerful DAC built into it, and it had a
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reason to exist again?
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Hey Federico.
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a headphone jack? Yeah, that could work. Right, do you think they would do that? If you were to brand
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an iPod as the ultimate device for music again, why wouldn't you do it? Feels like you kind of
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got it, right? I could even make the case for this iPod having USB-C instead of lightning,
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because it's easier to connect to external equipment, right? And you could do the headphone
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jack and it would fit like they I don't think people would say oh look at Apple after Johnny
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Ive they're also bringing back the headphone jack no it's not an iPhone if this is a music
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device then it makes sense to offer as many options as possible for you know music lovers
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for people who are really into music who want to you know it could be I don't know that
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it's a niche, but globally any niche can be big enough. And it becomes a way to sell more
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Apple Music subscriptions, of course. It could be something that only Apple can do. You see
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this external, like, I just bought a new USB DAC and it's from some Chinese company and
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it's beautiful and it's totally, like, it does what it needs to do, I love the way it
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sounds, but it's the opposite of a pleasant customer experience.
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It's not very welcoming or usable.
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You've got this instruction manual
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that is in Chinese and in English with a lot of typos.
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And it's like, there's a lot of these devices
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that you can buy.
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But I could see the iPod, an iPod with USB-C
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that had plenty of internal storage,
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maybe even a headphone jack.
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That could be an exciting device for music people.
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I know I would get one in like three seconds.
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And, I don't know, maybe, again, the reality is a lot more boring.
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Maybe it's just, "Oh hey, we forgot about the iPod Touch, I guess it's time for an update again."
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And maybe it's just that, but on the 20th anniversary, I mean, come on.
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Do the nice and exciting and bold move, right?
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I would never even entertain this thought if Apple Music Lossless didn't exist, right?
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Where like, they're gonna have this...
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Some parts of it, like these devices may never...
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Like the iPhone may never support the Lossless at the full quality, right?
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And isn't it weird that Apple is saying, "Oh, but for this brand new feature of our totally
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awesome service Apple Music, you need an external USB DAC."
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I don't know.
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It just, there's something off about that.
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I don't know what I think about this, but I don't feel like I would rule out the possibility
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of it being more music focused, right, because of this.
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I think it could make a lot of sense.
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I don't know who they're selling it to, like is it just to audio files or like who is the
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market for this product?
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Like does the market maybe not exist yet, but would maybe exist if Apple put together
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the right product?
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I don't know, like would this run iOS and take advantage of apps and all that kind of stuff?
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Sure, I think so, I think so.
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I think it would just be, again, nothing would change in terms of like it wouldn't be a separate OS or anything,
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it would be an iOS device just with different capabilities from an iPhone when it came to high resolution music.
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There's plenty of... look, the world is full of companies making external USB DAC devices.
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Some of them are really beautiful, some of them have this wild sort of alien designs
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that like... you know, sometimes these devices are kind of like the modern Wi-Fi routers.
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They have all kinds of shapes and like, "Oh, it looks... it's triangular shaped because
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it looks powerful, it looks like a spaceship, those types of... you know what I mean. You
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know? It looks like a flying spider type deal. I feel like Apple could make a real, more
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approachable solution for Apple Music. I'm not specifically talking about like Apple
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is making an external USB DAC that you can use with all kinds of equipment. You gotta
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realize it's still Apple, they need to sell more Apple devices and service subscriptions.
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So this would just be for Apple Music. That's the kind of product that I'm imagining. But
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I feel like an iPod touch with USB-C, a headphone jack and high-res lossless playback natively,
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it will be a real compelling product.
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They're going to capture a market with it, and that market might be more than the people
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currently buying iPod touches.
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exciting to think about it it'll likely never happen just like the iPad mini but
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if it does you heard it here first sure you know if it does it's I want a royalty
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This may be, Federico, our last one feature each. I mean, it depends on how long the Ricky's
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take next week. This is our recurring segment where we pick a feature that we'd like to
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see added to one of Apple's platforms at WWDC. So this will either be the last round of one
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feature each or we might do it next week because then after that, well we know everything that's
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going to be added to Apple's platforms at WWDC because WWDC will have happened. So would
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you like to kick off with your one feature that you would like to see added to a platform
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for WWDC? I'm going big, I'm going bold. Is this a Ricky? I'm going for the unexpected.
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- Yeah, so Ricky, Ricky won, okay.
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- I'm gonna say I wanna see a menu bar on the iPad.
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I wanna see a menu bar for iPadOS.
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- Is this just you talking about shelves again?
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- No. - Okay.
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- No. (laughing)
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In fact, it's not mentioned.
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- But now you say that.
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- No, no, no, no, no.
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I kind of moved on from that.
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I feel like I'm now not missing the shelf anymore.
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- Like I feel like I finally accepted our breakup, you know?
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Sort of like the meme, friendship ended with shelf, now menu bar is my best friend.
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So, I was thinking about this, like, I remember a couple of years ago, Vidit, the designer
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of the excellent dictionary app Lookup for Apple platforms.
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We did put together this concept of a menu bar on iPadOS.
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And the idea was of this menu bar that, you know, it's a menu bar.
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Like on the Mac, it had different menu options like File, Edit, View, Window, that sort of
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But reimagined for iPadOS, obviously.
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And you know me, this is the kind of thing that I like to see.
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taking an existing idea and sort of remixing it for the modern OS. I started thinking about
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this concept again. And by the way, if you remember a tweet by someone, but it's an old
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tweet, there's a really easy way to find it in the official Twitter app, because you have
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access to historical search. You can do "from" colon "iMyke", for example, and then you just
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type in whatever you remember, like a keyword that you remember, and it shows you all the
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tweets that that person specifically sent containing that keyword.
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So you would just type in "menu" and probably come up, right?
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I did from colon "viditb", which is the username, "iPad menu bar", and I found the tweet.
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Pro tip, tg_tip.
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I was thinking that one of the biggest issues on iPadOS, and especially for pro apps, is
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making all of their features discoverable enough. This is a problem that Apple itself
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is facing a lot of the time. How do you expose all these powerful functionalities that an
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app has? Especially if you're talking about a pro app, such as, for example, LumaFusion,
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All these menus and nested menus and additional options that you can have.
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And so in iPadOS 14 developers, they have some tools that they can use.
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There's pull-down menus, which will be the menus that you get when you right-click on
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a certain button in the title bar.
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You can do sidebars, of course.
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You can have a sidebar.
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You can have multiple columns.
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Well, it feels like when it comes to menus, when it comes to presenting options that can
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go multiple levels deep, that becomes a challenge on iPadOS.
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And it's difficult to achieve that sort of complex presentation of options.
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And so a lot of developers, what they do, they just implemented their own menus.
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And so you get these pro apps, and each of them has its own custom take on this.
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LumaFusion looks a certain way, Adobe's apps look a certain way, and so forth.
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On the other end of the spectrum, you have keyboard shortcuts, right?
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Sure, those are possible on iPad, right?
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They have been for a long time.
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And there's even a way to discover them, right?
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You just hold down the Command key, and you get the little cheat sheet in the middle of
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But have you seen what happens to that popup when you have a lot of commands?
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It depagenates across multiple pages.
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Yeah, it's upsetting.
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It's upsetting.
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And you get apps like MindNode or OmniFocus, for example, and you hold down Command, and
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it's like you're finding yourself having to scroll across five or six pages of these keyboard
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commands and none of them are grouped, none of them are contextual for the thing you're
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It's all very confusing.
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It's like, "Wait, what am I looking at here?"
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So I was thinking about this and I realized, you know what, Apple actually fixed this,
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decades ago, on the Mac, with the Menu Bar.
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It was a consistent location on screen that allowed you to put together, to group commands
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based on the category of the command.
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Those commands could be used both via touch and via keyboard shortcuts, because when you
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go over an option in the Menu Bar on the Mac, you can see the associated keyboard shortcut,
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And that feels like a great fit for the iPad, right?
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You can use something via touch or via the keyboard.
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Yeah, it's a really nice way to learn.
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You know, I've always really enjoyed the help.
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You know, you've got to help and just type search and you just try and find the command
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and then it shows you where it is, it highlights it where it is in the menu bar and then a
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lot of the time it will have the keyboard command.
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It's like, "Great, now I know how to do this forever."
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It's a really just fantastic feature on Mac OS.
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And so I started thinking, what if the menu bar was reimagined for iPadOS?
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What if it became a UI element that maybe you only see when you're using the pointer?
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Or maybe not. I don't know about that, but what if you had this menu at the top of the screen
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that allowed you to see all of the supported commands when you're working on an iPad?
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Maybe, and again, the idea of rethinking an old idea for the modern reality of iPadOS,
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what if this menu bar was also how you could discover custom shortcuts that you made in
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the shortcuts app?
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Why do we have to run every shortcut from the share sheet all the time?
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Imagine a persistent, like one of the options in the menu bar just saying shortcuts and
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you can click it and you can...
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What if it's just a shortcut? What if the menu bar is actually like a new extension type in the shortcuts app?
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And you say make this shortcut available in the menu bar and you see that right away
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You don't have to go through picking the shortcuts and all of that. You just see it
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you know, one of the ones that I use a lot is to
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Take a PDF and save it to a folder in Dropbox
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Which gets pulled into the app that I use for expenses and receipt tracking
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Yeah, imagine if I could adapt that to be like take what you currently see turn that into a PD
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I may not be so great. Oh my god, if I could just do that anywhere on the system
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I'd be so happy and and what if like the menu bar could be used somehow
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To help when it comes to slide over for example, right?
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You have all these extra utilities that you can shove on the side
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But the gesture to activate those is kind of weird
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What if you could activate slide-over apps with an indicator from the menu bar?
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And I'm gonna go even border.
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What if slide-over apps were the new menu bar apps?
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So you could tap a little thing and bring down basically an iPhone view.
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When you think about it, a menu bar app on the Mac is kind of like a slide-over app.
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It's this tiny window that appears.
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And we do have tiny windows on iPad.
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They're called slide-over apps.
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basically the same idea. And the last thing would be, you know, on Big Sur we've seen this new Control Center
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supports multiple accessories, of course, and those can be sort of taken out of Control Center and
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made available in the main menu bar. And that Control Center on the Mac is obviously very much touch friendly on
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Big Sur, the way that it's laid out and designed.
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What if the same could be done on iPad where showing control center on iPad is really weird
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It's barely acceptable on iPhone where you have to swipe down from the right side of the notch
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But an iPad it just doesn't make sense. You're swiping on a
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Non, you know on a non specific area of the screen just along the top right corner sure
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Okay, but what if control center was actually always accessible from the menu bar?
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I don't know
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I feel like there's a quality to the idea of a menu bar that even though it's an old idea, I think there's something
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inherently good about it. And maybe it's one of those ideas like a pointer, right, that can be reimagined for
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2021 and iPads. So that would be my wish.
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I'm into it. I'm into it. I love it. I mean this is again
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- And yeah, like look, I want,
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we're both asking for this now.
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The time has passed, we've gotten to where we are.
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iPad OS needs to get closer to Mac OS, it just does now.
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And you don't have to copy it,
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but you sure have to take inspiration from it
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and push the operating system.
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I don't want, and you don't want,
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the iPad to look like the Mac.
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what we want is exactly what you mentioned earlier
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that you said on App Stories,
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take these conventions and make new versions of them
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that fit this platform.
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- Conventions is a great word.
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These are conventions.
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There are some ideas that even if they were first
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designed in 1994, if it's still good, it's good.
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Like a power button on a TV remote.
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So if you can do that on a TV remote,
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why can you not do that on iPadOS?
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And it's also worth just saying like for the record the Mac is not the only
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platform that even Apple's made that has come up with these great conventions
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that have found their way into other places. You know I'm thinking stuff like
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natural and inertial scrolling right found its way in the iPhone first and
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has moved across all different types of things because you know what it just
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feels really nice it's like it's a nice way to work so these things have
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stretched out over time to different different platforms. It maybe isn't the
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best example but is an example which is something they just they they they
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stretch out right. My feature that I would like is shortcuts on the Mac. Yes
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okay. So this has been something I've been sorely missing when using the Mac
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more because there are some simple actions that would be so much faster for
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me to perform if I had access to shortcuts even in like a little widget
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than I do trying to access things otherwise so like setting timers in
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Timery, you know, I can have these little actions that set a timer and open a couple of documents and it's so fast and easy
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On my Mac, but on my iPad and on my iPhone but on the Mac
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It's like seven clicks that I have to do right or things like homekit related actions homekit on the Mac and homekit in general
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It's like the home app is slow but shortcuts if you make some shortcuts form
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It's really fast
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like if things just happen
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Like there are a lot of little shortcuts that I run all the time that I'm super used to
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That I don't have access to at the Mac. There are tools like keyboard maestro better touch tool even
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AppleScript automator all of these things that exist that I could learn but you know what? They're all
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Way more complicated and clunky. Yeah, then shortcuts is I have already put the time into learning how to use shortcuts
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shortcuts and I've understood it and I can get it to do things and I think in a shortcuts
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way of doing things I'm comfortable with it. Apple makes it. I would like them to put it
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on their own platform. You know like it's not like I'm asking for shortcuts on Windows
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right like I want shortcuts on the Mac. I don't want to have to learn a new way of doing
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things like I've tried very cursory like to do things with Keyboard Maestro and it's like
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"oh yeah I mean this will work but like don't move that window at all or it's not
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gonna work anymore because you're like simulating where as a click happened and
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I'm like I don't like this" but shortcuts will do these things for me
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easily because it's all built into the system and it's just behind the scenes
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the system is just poking in to the you know like that like it's the app and the
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system talking to each other and so like I can do this thing so you're able to
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take this thing and do something with it without me being the app that's open
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Like that kind of exchange that's what I want. I feel like shortcuts is very clearly apples
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It's very user friendly and I think Mac users should also have access to these tools
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Especially as things like catalysts and all that continues to become a thing
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I want to see this and because again that will also be if even if it's just catalyst and and Swift UI apps only or whatever
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I wouldn't want it to be that but just imagine it's that.
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It would maybe be another thing to push people towards that style of development which Apple
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I think would clearly prefer people to be looking at their future tools.
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I really want to see shortcuts for the Mac and I hope that this is the year that they
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Yeah, I really hope you're right.
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Federico I have a question for you. Oh
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Okay. What is your favorite kind of beverage?
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So by beverage you mean water, right? No
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No, so not water. It can be water if water is your favorite beverage. Oh, well, it's my most consumed beverage. But is it your favorite?
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Tough choice. I mean water would be super boring. This would not be a good first date if he's like "Hey, so what's your favorite drink?"
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water, we're gonna have a good time. So you're thinking like, that's the question, right?
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What's your favorite drink? Yeah, it could be alcohol, could be not alcohol, it could be anything.
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How am I supposed to choose? Like, my top five, I could put water, coffee,
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orange juice, wine, and some kind of like cocktail, for example. Do you have a favorite wine?
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Chardonnay. Ooh, look at you now. What about your favorite cocktail?
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I'm sorry but I'm stuck in my cocktail tastes at like teenager cocktails. I really like
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a Long Island Iced Tea.
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Long Island Iced Tea. I mean they are nice but it's like I am 19 years old. I'm going
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out. I want the alcoholic drink that has all of the alcohol in it please. Thank you very
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much Barkeep. Long Island Iced Tea for me.
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Or, well, let me try and be a little more mature. A Mojito?
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Oh, yeah, that's better. Well, not better. It is definitely… It is different.
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It is better.
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I mean, I don't want to say… Like, if you're a Long Island Iced Tea person, you
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go for it. Like, you love your Long Island Iced Teas. But you could maybe say that a
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Mojito is something you would get… It's more of a refined taste, I think. You've
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got to be…
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Yeah, it's a little more, you know, refined. Yes, refined, maybe. I would say… So, alcoholic
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drinks yes mojito most like very nice yeah all right but also I'm like I'm a
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wine person so yeah you mean you are Italian so yeah yeah good question
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though I cannot pick a single that's the fun of it thanks so much for listening
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to this week's episode connected we'll be back next time until then say goodbye
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Federico are you there to cheerio