Connected

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00:00:02 ◼   ► Hello and welcome to Connected, episode 354.

00:00:13 ◼   ► It's made possible by our sponsors,

00:00:14 ◼   ► Instabug, Mack Weldon, and Hover.

00:00:17 ◼   ► My name is Steven Hackett,

00:00:18 ◼   ► and I'm joined as always by Mr. Federico Faticci.

00:00:22 ◼   ► - Hello, Steven, how are you?

00:00:23 ◼   ► - I'm good, how are you?

00:00:25 ◼   ► - I'm good, doing really good.

00:00:27 ◼   ► - That's good.

00:00:28 ◼   ► You sound good on your new microphone.

00:00:29 ◼   ► No, thank you.

00:00:31 ◼   ► It was a joy to edit last week.

00:00:33 ◼   ► Also joined by Myke Hurley.

00:00:35 ◼   ► Hello.

00:00:36 ◼   ► You sound the way you did.

00:00:38 ◼   ► Were you expecting anything different?

00:00:41 ◼   ► I don't know.

00:00:42 ◼   ► I was like, you gotta up the ante.

00:00:43 ◼   ► Would you like me to set up a different microphone for you?

00:00:46 ◼   ► I mean, I have some other options here.

00:00:47 ◼   ► Would you like me to go get one?

00:00:49 ◼   ► You should have upped your vocal cord game

00:00:52 ◼   ► to make up for my new microphone.

00:00:56 ◼   ► Give me an example.

00:00:57 ◼   ► what is this, what is this, what is the output I'm achieving here?

00:01:01 ◼   ► I don't know, like you should have done vocal exercises or something like that.

00:01:05 ◼   ► Ah.

00:01:06 ◼   ► Is there like a vocal coach for podcasting?

00:01:10 ◼   ► I mean there probably should be.

00:01:11 ◼   ► This is something I have worried about.

00:01:13 ◼   ► Podcast vocal coach.

00:01:16 ◼   ► Okay, so I worry about this sometimes, you know, I think it's a combination of my advancing

00:01:21 ◼   ► years and the fact that I talk so much, not just in podcasting, but I talk so much all

00:01:27 ◼   ► the time, I'm a big talker. Say if I was in an environment where it was loud, you know,

00:01:33 ◼   ► maybe I was at a bar or whatever or in a restaurant talking for a while, maybe the next day my

00:01:39 ◼   ► throat would be really sore or I would get like a metallic taste in my mouth, which definitely

00:01:44 ◼   ► isn't good. And I always think to myself, oh man, am I going to talk so much one day

00:01:49 ◼   ► that that's just it for me? Oh, okay.

00:01:52 ◼   ► They're like, you're going to stop talking?

00:01:55 ◼   ► Well, it's like maybe human beings have a limited amount of words they can say in their lifetime, but usually...

00:02:01 ◼   ► That's a fun way to think about it.

00:02:03 ◼   ► Usually, they don't hit it, but podcasters will be the first people to hit it.

00:02:07 ◼   ► Okay, I have some some real-time follow-up.

00:02:10 ◼   ► No, I don't want it! I don't want it!

00:02:12 ◼   ► I haven't found a podcast Vocal Coach we can hire, but there's an NPR article on how to find your podcast voice,

00:02:19 ◼   ► but I don't want to sound like an NPR podcast because they all sound like it's very important.

00:02:24 ◼   ► And then there's a bunch of blog posts from people.

00:02:26 ◼   ► "Welcome to Connected. My name is Myke Hurley. Filling in for..."

00:02:31 ◼   ► That's a great joke from Pogs and Brack.

00:02:34 ◼   ► This show has been produced by...

00:02:36 ◼   ► You gotta say who produces the show if you want to do like an NPR-style show.

00:02:40 ◼   ► And then there's 75 people that you then list off.

00:02:44 ◼   ► Our associate producer is Jonathan...

00:02:48 ◼   ► Voorhees. The one true...

00:02:50 ◼   ► One true Jon.

00:02:52 ◼   ► Our one true producer.

00:02:54 ◼   ► I mean I worry about this too. I'll use my voice really easily.

00:02:56 ◼   ► My voice has definitely changed a lot over the years and if that track continues, I'm definitely in trouble, but-

00:03:01 ◼   ► Joe!

00:03:02 ◼   ► [laughter]

00:03:04 ◼   ► See? You should probably stop doing that, Steven.

00:03:06 ◼   ► Yeah, stop screaming all the time.

00:03:09 ◼   ► I can't do the Joe character today because I'm recording in my studio, but they're

00:03:15 ◼   ► building the other half, like around the other side of the door. They're doing trim work today and due to a bunch of boring reasons

00:03:22 ◼   ► I couldn't record in the house and so I'm out here.

00:03:24 ◼   ► So A, there's gonna be some background noise probably,

00:03:26 ◼   ► I apologize, but I also can't do like the Joe voice

00:03:30 ◼   ► because if I start screaming like that,

00:03:31 ◼   ► they're gonna wonder what's going on in here

00:03:33 ◼   ► and they're already very curious about me.

00:03:36 ◼   ► - Oh, that's why you should do it.

00:03:37 ◼   ► - This isn't why, this isn't why.

00:03:39 ◼   ► He doesn't want people to hear him do that.

00:03:42 ◼   ► That's what it is.

00:03:42 ◼   ► It's not about the shouting.

00:03:44 ◼   ► - Thousands and thousands and thousands of people

00:03:46 ◼   ► hear me do it.

00:03:47 ◼   ► It's in an application on the App Store.

00:03:49 ◼   ► - Yeah, but no, you don't want,

00:03:51 ◼   ► You don't want the people in real life that are in your life right now.

00:03:56 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:03:56 ◼   ► You may be related to at least some of them. Not cause it's a weird thing.

00:04:00 ◼   ► It's just because Steven knows a lot of, that sounded strange. It's like small town.

00:04:05 ◼   ► Surely you're related. That's not what I meant. Uh, but you know,

00:04:10 ◼   ► I'm, I'm expecting you don't want them to hear you, uh,

00:04:12 ◼   ► doing your fake Southern accent.

00:04:14 ◼   ► You don't want people to go to your wife and be like, Hey,

00:04:17 ◼   ► your husband's kind of weird.

00:04:19 ◼   ► It's right. How could I combine the Joe voice and the ASMR though?

00:04:24 ◼   ► Joe.

00:04:25 ◼   ► Joe.

00:04:29 ◼   ► It's too strained. It sounds like you're in pain.

00:04:33 ◼   ► Southern, hold on. Southern America.

00:04:38 ◼   ► No, Southern United States ASMR.

00:04:44 ◼   ► Joe.

00:04:45 ◼   ► Okay. ASMR, Southern foods, soft spoken.

00:04:49 ◼   ► It's a video on YouTube. There's also ASMR southern accent soft-spoken.

00:04:55 ◼   ► I mean, I'm not surprised about the fact that there are people from the south of America who do ASMR.

00:05:02 ◼   ► This is a very specific genre.

00:05:05 ◼   ► Everyone has their own special thing. Follow-up!

00:05:08 ◼   ► Yours is Apple Watch backups, because for some reason we're still talking about this for the third week in a row.

00:05:14 ◼   ► Because there was a grave error in the previous episode.

00:05:16 ◼   ► - Oh, it's just the green thing all over again.

00:05:20 ◼   ► - Green Gate was real.

00:05:22 ◼   ► - I don't care if it was real,

00:05:23 ◼   ► but like, why do we have this follow up?

00:05:26 ◼   ► It's only you.

00:05:28 ◼   ► - I just need to set the record straight.

00:05:31 ◼   ► - Why?

00:05:31 ◼   ► - There is a remove all button on that screen,

00:05:36 ◼   ► but I had too many backups to see the button.

00:05:38 ◼   ► I didn't try scrolling because Apple doesn't believe

00:05:40 ◼   ► in showing you that something is scrollable

00:05:43 ◼   ► unless you try scrolling it, which is bad.

00:05:45 ◼   ► So you can remove them all at once.

00:05:48 ◼   ► You don't have to do them individually

00:05:49 ◼   ► and then get dumped back out into the settings app.

00:05:51 ◼   ► I still maintain the settings app is bad.

00:05:54 ◼   ► I still maintain that the iPhone storage screen is too slow.

00:05:58 ◼   ► I didn't hear anything about that.

00:05:59 ◼   ► So I guess no one knows.

00:06:02 ◼   ► - Kraft is finally working on tables.

00:06:06 ◼   ► I feel like I have been begging for them to do this

00:06:09 ◼   ► and they are finally doing it.

00:06:11 ◼   ► They tweeted about it, like showing a video of it.

00:06:13 ◼   ► It looks like exactly what I want to do.

00:06:15 ◼   ► It's just the tables in the app.

00:06:17 ◼   ► I'm super pumped.

00:06:18 ◼   ► I hope it comes soon.

00:06:19 ◼   ► Craft continues to do lots of interesting and cool stuff

00:06:23 ◼   ► and I like the app very much.

00:06:25 ◼   ► - We have a couple of emoji related things to talk about.

00:06:29 ◼   ► Myke, do you want to tell us about

00:06:30 ◼   ► your campaign for Weird Fish?

00:06:32 ◼   ► - Okay, so it is World Emoji Day on the 17th of July.

00:06:37 ◼   ► So that's this coming Saturday.

00:06:39 ◼   ► In the lead up to World Emoji Day,

00:06:42 ◼   ► Emojipedia has done this for a few years.

00:06:45 ◼   ► a thing called the Emoji Awards.

00:06:47 ◼   ► And this seems, this is a publicly voted competition

00:06:51 ◼   ► to choose the emoji of the year.

00:06:54 ◼   ► And this is based on usage statistics.

00:06:57 ◼   ► So it's like, there are awards that are given out

00:07:01 ◼   ► by the Emoji Awards, but then there's also this kind

00:07:04 ◼   ► of like public vote one.

00:07:05 ◼   ► I think it's called most popular emoji.

00:07:07 ◼   ► But the most 2021 emoji is what they're calling it,

00:07:09 ◼   ► my apologies.

00:07:10 ◼   ► So there's like brackets and it's like, you know,

00:07:12 ◼   ► We're talking rollercoaster, DNA, broken heart, the syringe, face with mask.

00:07:20 ◼   ► But one of them is our very favorite emoji, the microbe emoji,

00:07:24 ◼   ► known as the weird fish emoji to connected listeners.

00:07:28 ◼   ► Yes.

00:07:29 ◼   ► We have gotten it into the semi-final, we were tweeting about it.

00:07:35 ◼   ► It's currently in a three-way face-off as we're speaking right now.

00:07:39 ◼   ► There's just five hours left on this vote.

00:07:40 ◼   ► So by the time this is out, you may not have heard it,

00:07:42 ◼   ► but there's still point for me to talk about this.

00:07:44 ◼   ► It's in a three-way face-off against the smiling face

00:07:47 ◼   ► with tear and face with medical mask.

00:07:49 ◼   ► Currently, Myke Robe is ahead because the three of us

00:07:52 ◼   ► have been tweeting about it all day,

00:07:53 ◼   ► with 39.8% of the vote.

00:07:55 ◼   ► - Yes.

00:07:56 ◼   ► - If it wins, which hopefully it will,

00:07:58 ◼   ► this Twitter account will then be putting it off

00:08:00 ◼   ► in a final match against the syringe emoji,

00:08:03 ◼   ► which definitely feels like odds are stacked against it.

00:08:06 ◼   ► So the passionate ones, connected listeners,

00:08:09 ◼   ► Click the link in the show notes, go to the tweet and vote if you can.

00:08:12 ◼   ► Otherwise, follow this account @emojiawards,

00:08:16 ◼   ► put the notifications on for this account,

00:08:18 ◼   ► because when they tweet to do like the 12 hours or whatever,

00:08:22 ◼   ► you got to vote in the final.

00:08:23 ◼   ► We are relying on you all to make the weird fish emoji

00:08:27 ◼   ► the best emoji of the year.

00:08:28 ◼   ► We are putting our thumb on the scales.

00:08:31 ◼   ► Let's bring this one home.

00:08:32 ◼   ► - It's coming home, I guess?

00:08:34 ◼   ► - Yes, yes, it's coming home.

00:08:37 ◼   ► Let's get the weird fish home.

00:08:38 ◼   ► - That's right, I love when you look at all the quote tweets

00:08:40 ◼   ► and replies, it's all just weird fish stuff.

00:08:43 ◼   ► - If the only replies to these tweets, if they're ever,

00:08:45 ◼   ► pretty much are just, "Hey, weird fish."

00:08:47 ◼   ► So, come on.

00:08:48 ◼   ► - Thankfully, it's part of the Emojipedia empire,

00:08:51 ◼   ► so Jeremy knows what all these tweets mean.

00:08:54 ◼   ► - Oh, I have no doubt that Jeremy is aware

00:08:56 ◼   ► that we're doing this.

00:08:57 ◼   ► I was actually talking to him today about the Emojipedia,

00:09:01 ◼   ► showing off the emoji, but he didn't mention this.

00:09:04 ◼   ► I'm sure he's, well, I don't know if he's aware,

00:09:07 ◼   ► Because Emojipedia is now an empire which is quite vast.

00:09:10 ◼   ► And Jeremy is not doing this. He has people that does this stuff for him.

00:09:13 ◼   ► I don't know if he knows that we're putting our thumbs on the scales,

00:09:16 ◼   ► but he probably does by now.

00:09:18 ◼   ► So we're exerting our influence here.

00:09:21 ◼   ► Come on, let's bring it home.

00:09:22 ◼   ► We are rigging these elections, basically.

00:09:24 ◼   ► I wouldn't say that, you know.

00:09:27 ◼   ► We're just advertising for a certain side.

00:09:30 ◼   ► We are basically Russia right now.

00:09:35 ◼   ► That's what we're doing.

00:09:36 ◼   ► We're the rusher of podcasts.

00:09:39 ◼   ► I don't like any of this.

00:09:40 ◼   ► I just like to think that it's a free and open voting and we would just like to encourage

00:09:48 ◼   ► that people vote in a very specific way.

00:09:51 ◼   ► Okay.

00:09:52 ◼   ► But go vote for the weird fish, obviously.

00:09:55 ◼   ► Yes.

00:09:56 ◼   ► Please vote for the weird fish.

00:09:57 ◼   ► That's right.

00:09:58 ◼   ► And make sure it gets into the final.

00:09:59 ◼   ► In fact, if you vote for the weird fish, you're going to hear even more details from this

00:10:04 ◼   ► podcast.

00:10:05 ◼   ► you're gonna get better audio quality

00:10:07 ◼   ► if you vote for the weird fish.

00:10:09 ◼   ► - If you don't know that joke,

00:10:11 ◼   ► go check out relay.fm/connected/212.

00:10:15 ◼   ► That is a episode called "Nano Hippo"

00:10:17 ◼   ► where weird fish was born.

00:10:20 ◼   ► - This was the Jeremy's before the Jeremy's, right?

00:10:22 ◼   ► - Yes, this was before they had the name.

00:10:24 ◼   ► - Yep.

00:10:25 ◼   ► - Okay, up next, you mentioned that Emojipedia

00:10:29 ◼   ► was showing off emoji version 14.0,

00:10:32 ◼   ► which will be the next set of emoji

00:10:34 ◼   ► that we should see.

00:10:36 ◼   ► This is a draft, it could change.

00:10:40 ◼   ► This is what will become the Jeremy's in the future,

00:10:43 ◼   ► the game where Federico has to pick the name of emoji

00:10:47 ◼   ► based on the images.

00:10:48 ◼   ► So Federico has not looked at this list,

00:10:51 ◼   ► he cannot look at this list.

00:10:52 ◼   ► - I've seen screenshots, I've tried not to look too much

00:10:56 ◼   ► at screenshots, but I can tell you John,

00:10:59 ◼   ► one true John, sent me a draft for our article.

00:11:03 ◼   ► I did not read the draft.

00:11:06 ◼   ► So stay true to my mission.

00:11:09 ◼   ► I don't wanna know anything about this emoji

00:11:13 ◼   ► until it's time.

00:11:14 ◼   ► - So little unknown when we're gonna get these.

00:11:16 ◼   ► So I can give a little bit of background

00:11:17 ◼   ► having spoken to Mr. Emoji himself today.

00:11:21 ◼   ► Because of that, there was like some delays in the process.

00:11:23 ◼   ► Usually about this point, they would be showing off

00:11:26 ◼   ► and like tech companies and stuff will be showing off,

00:11:29 ◼   ► hey, these are some of the,

00:11:30 ◼   ► like Apple have done this in the past I think,

00:11:32 ◼   ► like Microsoft and others,

00:11:35 ◼   ► these are what the emoji are gonna look like

00:11:36 ◼   ► on our platforms later in the year.

00:11:38 ◼   ► But because of COVID, it got delayed.

00:11:40 ◼   ► And so what we're seeing right now,

00:11:42 ◼   ► this is the draft for voting on

00:11:44 ◼   ► and things could change still.

00:11:46 ◼   ► So some of these emojis may not actually exist.

00:11:50 ◼   ► So it's probably unlikely

00:11:53 ◼   ► that we're gonna see many companies implement this

00:11:56 ◼   ► until much later in the process.

00:11:57 ◼   ► Like it's not gonna be in 2021,

00:12:00 ◼   ► it's probably going to be sometime in the first half of 2022 before we start to see these emoji appear.

00:12:07 ◼   ► And the ones that we're seeing from the Emojipedia mock-ups,

00:12:11 ◼   ► not all of these emoji could actually be included in the final version.

00:12:17 ◼   ► Because this is like a draft.

00:12:19 ◼   ► Yeah, this is a draft, exactly.

00:12:21 ◼   ► So this is kind of where the consortium is right now,

00:12:24 ◼   ► but they still haven't had the final vote, which would have been done by now.

00:12:27 ◼   ► And when it comes around to this time of the year,

00:12:30 ◼   ► everyone would kind of know

00:12:31 ◼   ► and would have started working on them.

00:12:32 ◼   ► But we're a few months behind now

00:12:35 ◼   ► because COVID ruins everything, including emoji.

00:12:39 ◼   ► - Just a quick reminder

00:12:40 ◼   ► that the 2022 Apple hardware calendar,

00:12:43 ◼   ► my Kickstarter is still going.

00:12:45 ◼   ► We're about halfway through right now

00:12:48 ◼   ► and sitting at about 800 backers.

00:12:50 ◼   ► Thank you all who backed it and supported it

00:12:52 ◼   ► after the last episode.

00:12:54 ◼   ► If you haven't checked it out,

00:12:55 ◼   ► there's a link in the show notes.

00:12:56 ◼   ► I'd love to have you, you know,

00:12:59 ◼   ► put up one of these sweet calendars in your house

00:13:01 ◼   ► for 2022 later this year.

00:13:03 ◼   ► So go check it out.

00:13:05 ◼   ► - You're doing stickers though, right?

00:13:06 ◼   ► - I am doing stickers.

00:13:07 ◼   ► So the top tier,

00:13:09 ◼   ► which is named Get It All,

00:13:13 ◼   ► is the digital wallpaper pack, the four by six prints,

00:13:16 ◼   ► the wall calendar, and some stickers.

00:13:18 ◼   ► So I'm working with a designer on those.

00:13:20 ◼   ► Not quite ready to show them off yet,

00:13:22 ◼   ► but they are really, really cool.

00:13:25 ◼   ► Y'all have seen the drafts.

00:13:26 ◼   ► I'll share them in an update on the Kickstarter page

00:13:29 ◼   ► as soon as I can, but I'm very excited about them.

00:13:32 ◼   ► And it's the only way these stickers will go into the world.

00:13:35 ◼   ► So it's only through this Kickstarter campaign.

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00:15:43 ◼   ► But I just want to say that right now I don't have...

00:15:46 ◼   ► So I thought, look, I'm not gonna have time to do like a proper in-depth,

00:15:51 ◼   ► you know, teaching style review on Mac Stories because I'm working on the iOS and iPadOS

00:15:56 ◼   ► review and a few other things. So I thought I am going to do this in installments for

00:16:03 ◼   ► club Mac Stories members. So as of tomorrow, on Friday, I will publish the first in a series

00:16:12 ◼   ► that I don't know how many parts of the series there will be, but I'm going to do like the

00:16:18 ◼   ► the first installment of this deep dive into my Obsidian setup, starting from the very

00:16:24 ◼   ► basics with Sync, and what the difference between Core and Community plugins, how you

00:16:32 ◼   ► should get started with settings, whether you should store your documents in iCloud

00:16:38 ◼   ► Drive or local storage, you know, all the basics. And I have a long list of things I

00:16:43 ◼   ► I want to cover, like the third party plugins that I use and how I set up keyboard shortcuts

00:16:49 ◼   ► on my iPad, how I deal with multiple notes at the same time, you know, all the and the

00:16:55 ◼   ► custom plugins that we are making with the One True Son. So, yeah, that's going to be

00:17:04 ◼   ► for Club Max Aries members. I don't know how long it will last, probably until September.

00:17:10 ◼   ► I don't know, but I will also be making shortcuts for Obsidian eventually.

00:17:14 ◼   ► So that's going to be a thing on the club.

00:17:17 ◼   ► And I don't know, what do you guys want to know?

00:17:22 ◼   ► I know the big thing with Obsidian on the desktop is that it's completely customizable.

00:17:27 ◼   ► You can change the UI, you can add all these plugins and stuff.

00:17:32 ◼   ► How much of that has carried over to iOS?

00:17:35 ◼   ► All of it.

00:17:36 ◼   ► The iPhone and iPad app is essentially an exact replica of what you can do on the Mac

00:17:45 ◼   ► and PC and Linux, I believe.

00:17:48 ◼   ► There's also Obsidian for Linux.

00:17:49 ◼   ► Yes, I think so.

00:17:51 ◼   ► Yeah, so there's a few differences, obviously.

00:17:54 ◼   ► The big one I feel is you cannot enter the developer mode.

00:18:02 ◼   ► So on desktop, because Obsidian is an Electron app, it's basically based on web technologies,

00:18:09 ◼   ► you can inspect the entire UI of Obsidian with the same web inspector you would use

00:18:15 ◼   ► in Safari or Google Chrome. And that's what you use for making plugins or custom CSS snippets,

00:18:24 ◼   ► you want to inspect how the UI is made, and then you can make your own snippet for customizing

00:18:31 ◼   ► the interface. So that's not available on iPhone and iPad. Everything else is there.

00:18:37 ◼   ► So you can install the core plugins, which would be the built-in plugins made by the

00:18:42 ◼   ► Obsidian developers. There's the community plugins. So community plugins, there's a built-in

00:18:48 ◼   ► directory where you can find hundreds of plugins made by third-party developers that the Obsidian

00:18:57 ◼   ► community officially vetted and allowed in the directory, but you can also install your own.

00:19:07 ◼   ► So if you have a folder with a plugin, you can install your own files, like I do with the plugins

00:19:13 ◼   ► that Fin makes for me. It's a little more involved on iOS and iPadOS to do this manual installation.

00:19:20 ◼   ► There's shortcuts that can help you with that, because you gotta install these files in a hidden

00:19:26 ◼   ► folder. So there's a few... I've made a few shortcuts. You can find them in the Obsidian

00:19:30 ◼   ► forums, actually. I posted them there. But everything else is there, like the same hotkeys,

00:19:36 ◼   ► you can install custom themes, you can make your own custom theme, you can install CSS

00:19:43 ◼   ► snippets to modify little bits of the UI. You can do everything you can do on desktop,

00:19:49 ◼   ► and it's pretty incredible. I feel like this kind of app would have not been possible years

00:19:55 ◼   ► ago, but then, you know, three, four years ago when Apple sort of lifted their restrictions

00:20:02 ◼   ► on this kind of apps, you know, remember there was a big controversy with Pythonista and

00:20:07 ◼   ► editorial and how you were not allowed to share code, basically, with other users. That's

00:20:15 ◼   ► long been possible now, so it's totally fine. Also these plugins that you installed in Obsidian,

00:20:21 ◼   ► are basically like CSS, HTML, and JavaScript files. And there's plenty of

00:20:27 ◼   ► JavaScript apps on iOS, and there's plenty of CSS and HTML editors on iOS.

00:20:32 ◼   ► And of course everything is sandboxed, so if you want to get access to the

00:20:37 ◼   ► clipboard, you're going to get a permission dialog. If you want to get

00:20:41 ◼   ► access to your photos, you're going to get a permission dialog on iOS. So yeah,

00:20:45 ◼   ► it's the same Obsidian that you have on the Mac, and in fact, now if

00:20:51 ◼   ► If you, with Obsidian Sync, if you pay for the Sync add-on,

00:20:55 ◼   ► which is, I believe, a $4 a month subscription,

00:20:59 ◼   ► you can sync your settings between devices.

00:21:04 ◼   ► It used to be that settings were platform specific.

00:21:09 ◼   ► As of a couple of weeks ago,

00:21:11 ◼   ► there's support for syncing your, not just your settings,

00:21:14 ◼   ► but also your hotkeys, your themes, your plugins.

00:21:19 ◼   ► You can even sync your plugins between devices.

00:21:22 ◼   ► So you don't have to, you know, on the iPhone,

00:21:24 ◼   ► go there and manually reinstall one by one,

00:21:28 ◼   ► all the plugins that you previously installed on the Mac.

00:21:31 ◼   ► You can sync those.

00:21:32 ◼   ► So yeah, it's pretty impressive.

00:21:35 ◼   ► Right now I am, so I'm doing everything in Obsidian.

00:21:40 ◼   ► Like it's my note-taking app and it's my writing app.

00:21:44 ◼   ► And it's been that way for the past three, four months.

00:21:48 ◼   ► There's a few things in Apple Notes, in iPadOS 15,

00:21:52 ◼   ► that are really tempting right now,

00:21:54 ◼   ► like Quick Note, for example.

00:21:57 ◼   ► But, like I try to use Quick Note for a week

00:22:00 ◼   ► instead of the system that I have in Obsidian

00:22:04 ◼   ► for saving links and Quick Notes.

00:22:08 ◼   ► And it's really impressive,

00:22:09 ◼   ► like the big advantage of Quick Note

00:22:11 ◼   ► is that it's system-wide, right?

00:22:13 ◼   ► And you can trigger it anywhere

00:22:16 ◼   ► with a swipe from the corner of the screen

00:22:18 ◼   ► or a keyboard shortcut.

00:22:20 ◼   ► But the thing is, then when I'm in the Notes app,

00:22:23 ◼   ► I really miss everything else from Obsidian,

00:22:26 ◼   ► like the quick switcher, for example,

00:22:27 ◼   ► how in Obsidian you can type Command + O

00:22:30 ◼   ► and you can instantly navigate

00:22:32 ◼   ► to any other file in your database.

00:22:35 ◼   ► And Kraft has something similar, right,

00:22:37 ◼   ► where you can hit Command + O

00:22:39 ◼   ► and you have this quick switcher

00:22:41 ◼   ► that lets you move between notes.

00:22:43 ◼   ► I feel like that kind of interaction

00:22:46 ◼   ► has become really popular in third-party note-taking apps

00:22:49 ◼   ► and Notes doesn't have it.

00:22:52 ◼   ► And I also miss, like, in Obsidian,

00:22:54 ◼   ► I can split the UI in multiple panes, right?

00:22:59 ◼   ► So I can have two, three, four, five Notes

00:23:02 ◼   ► open at the same time.

00:23:04 ◼   ► And obviously that kind of layout is more useful on a Mac,

00:23:08 ◼   ► where you, especially if you have a desktop Mac

00:23:11 ◼   ► with a large display attached.

00:23:13 ◼   ► But still, I could do that with multi-window in Apple Notes,

00:23:18 ◼   ► but it wouldn't be as easy or as keyboard-centric

00:23:23 ◼   ► as it is in Obsidian.

00:23:24 ◼   ► So all that to say, I'm really fast in Obsidian.

00:23:28 ◼   ► Like, I can work really fast,

00:23:30 ◼   ► and I can switch between my workspaces

00:23:32 ◼   ► and between my notes really quickly.

00:23:35 ◼   ► And so that sort of speed and keyboard-focused approach

00:23:42 ◼   ► and the plugins.

00:23:44 ◼   ► I'm not really that much into the visual customization.

00:23:48 ◼   ► I prefer to use Obsidian with the default theme.

00:23:51 ◼   ► - Oh, that's interesting.

00:23:52 ◼   ► I feel like you've always used different fonts and stuff

00:23:55 ◼   ► in apps like IARiter and stuff like that.

00:23:57 ◼   ► - Yes. - Considering you can do it,

00:23:59 ◼   ► why haven't you?

00:24:00 ◼   ► - I had issues like a couple of months ago

00:24:03 ◼   ► when I tried to install SF Mono.

00:24:06 ◼   ► I would like to use SF Mono as my editing font in Obsidian,

00:24:12 ◼   ► but it wasn't working and I just didn't want to waste any more time on it.

00:24:15 ◼   ► The default UI, I mean, Obsidian is weird in places, right?

00:24:20 ◼   ► We've talked about this before. It's an Electron app.

00:24:23 ◼   ► I was going to ask you if it feels like an iOS app.

00:24:26 ◼   ► No, it doesn't.

00:24:28 ◼   ► -And you're cool with that? -It feels like Obsidian.

00:24:30 ◼   ► Yeah, yeah, I am.

00:24:31 ◼   ► Initially, like, it took me a while,

00:24:34 ◼   ► especially because the beta, the mobile beta at first was really rough.

00:24:40 ◼   ► You just gotta accept that when you open Obsidian, it's like its own little world, right?

00:24:46 ◼   ► It's like its own little planet where things are different.

00:24:49 ◼   ► And I should also say that, you know, you hear Obsidian, you probably think of, like,

00:24:55 ◼   ► people showing off these screenshots of these graph views, you know, with thousands of notes

00:25:03 ◼   ► with the connections between them.

00:25:06 ◼   ► And that's cool, right?

00:25:08 ◼   ► a lot of academics, a lot of programmers, a lot of university professors, for example,

00:25:15 ◼   ► use Obsidian. And they have libraries with thousands of notes, and they use backlinks

00:25:21 ◼   ► and all that kind of stuff. I don't. Like, I have the Graph View disabled. I use backlinks

00:25:28 ◼   ► a lot, but I don't. I do not backlink every single thing in Obsidian, and it's totally

00:25:34 ◼   ► And that to me is what I really appreciate about this app, that some core functionalities you can just disable if you don't care about them.

00:25:46 ◼   ► The plugin system extends to the built-in features of the app as well, and if you do not want them, you can just turn them off, and it's fine.

00:25:56 ◼   ► fine, and Obsidian keeps working the same way. But it's just, yeah, you gotta accept that

00:26:02 ◼   ► it looks a bit weird, and there's a few visual glitches, but what it lacks in that sort of

00:26:11 ◼   ► native feel, it totally makes up for in raw functionality and speed. It's really, really fast

00:26:20 ◼   ► in switching between notes and loading hundreds of notes.

00:26:24 ◼   ► And because everything is based on a folder in Finder or the Files app,

00:26:30 ◼   ► you can go wild in terms of shortcuts that you can build, right?

00:26:36 ◼   ► Especially in iOS and iPadOS 15 with the new Files actions.

00:26:42 ◼   ► I have shortcuts to save image attachments into Obsidian.

00:26:46 ◼   ► and I have shortcuts to compile my iOS review.

00:26:49 ◼   ► And it's that combination of there's plugins in Obsidian,

00:26:54 ◼   ► but there's also automation outside of Obsidian.

00:26:58 ◼   ► And the same is true on the Mac,

00:26:59 ◼   ► where you can use AppleScript,

00:27:01 ◼   ► you can use shortcuts in Monterey,

00:27:03 ◼   ► all kinds of automation that deals with the Finder,

00:27:06 ◼   ► up extends to Obsidian as well,

00:27:10 ◼   ► because at the end of the day,

00:27:11 ◼   ► It's just a front end for a folder in your file manager.

00:27:16 ◼   ► You gotta stop me because otherwise I'm just gonna keep talking.

00:27:20 ◼   ► I don't know what I would use this application for.

00:27:24 ◼   ► I can see that people really love it, and I know so many people now who are all in on

00:27:29 ◼   ► it big time.

00:27:32 ◼   ► I don't think I have a use for it.

00:27:33 ◼   ► If someone could tell me what that use would be, maybe I would check it out.

00:27:36 ◼   ► But I just don't think this is for me.

00:27:39 ◼   ► I can see its power and I know enough really smart people who want to use this application

00:27:45 ◼   ► and find it to be like nothing they've ever used before, but I just don't really think

00:27:50 ◼   ► it's my scene.

00:27:54 ◼   ► That's fine. I really feel like its core audience is the writer or academic type user. You can

00:28:07 ◼   ► use it for general note-taking, but I feel like it's still people who write for a living

00:28:15 ◼   ► or have to produce essays or papers or have to organize all this research material. That's

00:28:23 ◼   ► the core audience of the app, and I feel like everybody else is doing pretty okay with Notes,

00:28:31 ◼   ► which is really like... Notes is a really great note-taking app, but also Kraft, if

00:28:35 ◼   ► if you're looking for a more flexible version of Notes.

00:28:38 ◼   ► - Yeah, I mean, and people will super into

00:28:40 ◼   ► like Notion and Roam and there's something,

00:28:42 ◼   ► it feels like with this kind of stuff now,

00:28:43 ◼   ► there is something for everyone.

00:28:45 ◼   ► - Yes, yeah.

00:28:46 ◼   ► - You just got to find your bliss.

00:28:48 ◼   ► - Yeah, it's like the email clients of a few years ago,

00:28:52 ◼   ► right, when suddenly one of these markets explodes

00:28:56 ◼   ► for whatever reason, and you have a lot of choice

00:29:01 ◼   ► with different options for different kinds of users.

00:29:05 ◼   ► And Obsidian is, if you're the type of person who writes in Markdown and really, really likes Markdown,

00:29:13 ◼   ► and used to appreciate the flexibility of Sublime Text a few years ago,

00:29:23 ◼   ► and have always been looking for this customizable Markdown text editor,

00:29:29 ◼   ► this is the app for you. That's how I would summarize it.

00:29:32 ◼   ► If you're a markdown person that enjoys customization, this is the thing you've been looking for.

00:29:39 ◼   ► It's all coming up Federico this week though, right?

00:29:41 ◼   ► You finally got your battery pack.

00:29:43 ◼   ► Yes, I did.

00:29:47 ◼   ► It's coming on Monday?

00:29:49 ◼   ► No probably later than that.

00:29:50 ◼   ► Maybe Tuesday or Wednesday.

00:29:51 ◼   ► Wow, spoilers.

00:29:52 ◼   ► Steven, what is the MagSafe battery pack?

00:29:55 ◼   ► It is a little backpack.

00:29:57 ◼   ► It is like a little backpack!

00:30:00 ◼   ► It is!

00:30:01 ◼   ► now I want it! It's a magnetic fanny pack for your phone. Oh my god, don't say that.

00:30:07 ◼   ► It charges at 5 watts which we can talk about but it's not a case like the

00:30:12 ◼   ► previous iPhone battery cases you know they had like the internal lightning

00:30:18 ◼   ► port and it was like an actual case with sides in the back this is just a battery

00:30:23 ◼   ► wrapped in Apple's soft touch material that clicks on to the back of your iPhone

00:30:27 ◼   ► 12. I love it. I just this is the thing I wanted and they did it. I think it's so

00:30:33 ◼   ► weird. Why? I think this product's really weird. It's the obvious

00:30:39 ◼   ► product to make. It's just like peculiar to me. So charges at 5 watts, super slow. I

00:30:48 ◼   ► will be really intrigued to know what it's like in in use. Like you know like

00:30:54 ◼   ► it is it possible to drain faster than it can charge I don't know I don't think

00:31:00 ◼   ► that an iPhone can really do that much like maybe if you're watching video but

00:31:05 ◼   ► probably not but five watts is slow it's the first product to do reverse charging

00:31:10 ◼   ► this is a really interesting tidbit that the verge picked up I saw that it there

00:31:14 ◼   ► first anyway so you can charge the battery pack if you pull if you attach

00:31:24 ◼   ► it to your iPhone and plug a lightning cable into your iPhone. It charges both your phone

00:31:32 ◼   ► and the battery pack. So this is the first accessory that has got reverse MagSafe charging

00:31:40 ◼   ► from Apple. Which is the thing that was suggested would be possible after these phones came

00:31:47 ◼   ► out and I think Apple applied for regulatory approval for accessories to be charged via

00:31:54 ◼   ► MagSafe and this is the first one to do that. I find that interesting and you can

00:31:57 ◼   ► do it both ways. You can either plug into the battery and it will charge the

00:32:01 ◼   ► battery and then the phone or vice versa. The battery seems small. It's apparently

00:32:08 ◼   ► 1460 mAh. Apparently it will be a full charge for a mini but a

00:32:16 ◼   ► partial charge for everything else which I believe is different to how the

00:32:23 ◼   ► cases have been in the past, they feel like they've been much bigger batteries in the

00:32:27 ◼   ► iPhone cases than these. Also, maybe I'm just like continuing to beat a dead horse here

00:32:35 ◼   ► on this one, but I think in the Apple support article they've referenced how a 20 watt power

00:32:41 ◼   ► adapter will make sure that you can charge the MagSafe battery pack on your iPhone even

00:32:46 ◼   ► faster which is something Apple never gives you, right? I'm never going to get over that,

00:32:52 ◼   ► annoys me so much. People that really want this product and in on the MagSafe

00:32:55 ◼   ► life is probably great. I'm sure Federico is gonna have three of them. It'll keep

00:32:57 ◼   ► him in a bag and he'll just be like like he's got a drone out there you know

00:33:01 ◼   ► that's what drone people do they take all their extra batteries and and I

00:33:04 ◼   ► actually like it for that right you could have a couple even though they're

00:33:07 ◼   ► $100 and you could attach them and it seems cool but I just think that this is

00:33:14 ◼   ► this product has some eccentricities and I think is also maybe in some ways not

00:33:21 ◼   ► as good as the previous version, right, in the fact that the battery is like smaller and stuff,

00:33:26 ◼   ► but it is maybe more convenient. I don't know. I'll tell you why this is the perfect accessory for me.

00:33:32 ◼   ► Please tell me. I'm really into the MagSafe lifestyle, right? I have a MagSafe phone holder

00:33:39 ◼   ► in my car, and I'm a huge, huge MagSafe wallet user. Like, I use it all the time. That little

00:33:47 ◼   ► thing changed my life honestly over the past year. Just because I don't have to carry my wallet

00:33:52 ◼   ► anymore, I don't have to ask Silvia to take my wallet and put it in her purse, it's incredible.

00:34:00 ◼   ► Now that I'm going to the beach, right, it's the summer we go to the beach, and the iPhone,

00:34:05 ◼   ► the battery, it depletes much more quickly because it's trying to find the signal,

00:34:13 ◼   ► and it's struggling with 4G, and we take a lot of videos and photos at the beach,

00:34:18 ◼   ► which means, you know, it's 6pm and I have, you know, 10 or 15% left.

00:34:23 ◼   ► What I can do now is I can take this little MagSafe battery with me at the beach,

00:34:30 ◼   ► throw it in a backpack or something, and when it's time I can swap my wallet with the MagSafe battery,

00:34:37 ◼   ► get enough charge and then put it back in the backpack and attach my wallet again. So it's like

00:34:44 ◼   ► this little... it's like a modular setup that I have with my iPhone. I can attach different

00:34:49 ◼   ► accessories depending on what I need. Like, we need to go to the little coffee place on the beach

00:34:56 ◼   ► to grab an espresso. Great! I can detach the battery again and attach my wallet back in. And

00:35:03 ◼   ► And I really like this. This is gonna be so good for me, honestly.

00:35:07 ◼   ► I really love it.

00:35:08 ◼   ► And actually, I kind of wish that you could stack multiple MagSafe accessories.

00:35:15 ◼   ► Like, imagine if I could do iPhone, battery, and then wallet.

00:35:19 ◼   ► Have like a little--

00:35:21 ◼   ► Can the wallet not attach to the battery then?

00:35:24 ◼   ► I don't know. I don't know.

00:35:25 ◼   ► I would like to do this little MagSafe battery sandwich, if you will,

00:35:31 ◼   ► like the iPhone, the battery and the wallet on top.

00:35:34 ◼   ► I don't think MagSafe supports stacking.

00:35:37 ◼   ► - Apparently you can do phone case battery.

00:35:42 ◼   ► - Yeah, you can do phone case wallet.

00:35:43 ◼   ► I imagine you will be able to do phone case battery.

00:35:46 ◼   ► - Yeah.

00:35:47 ◼   ► - But the problem is I don't think the battery

00:35:49 ◼   ► is gonna have a MagSafe attachment on the outer side.

00:35:53 ◼   ► - 'Cause it would have to have the little ring on it maybe.

00:35:56 ◼   ► - Yeah, yeah, I think so.

00:35:58 ◼   ► So that's wallet goes in pocket, battery goes on phone.

00:36:01 ◼   ► - What I really want is, I don't need a huge battery, right?

00:36:05 ◼   ► I just need to make sure that I can come back home

00:36:07 ◼   ► and my phone isn't dead.

00:36:08 ◼   ► And so if I could get it up to 30 or 40% again, great.

00:36:13 ◼   ► That's all I need.

00:36:15 ◼   ► I have a little battery that I can attach to my iPhone

00:36:19 ◼   ► for emergencies, basically.

00:36:20 ◼   ► And yeah, MagSafe, all the things.

00:36:25 ◼   ► in theory, remember how months ago we talked about how I pre-ordered the PopSocket MagSafe line of accessories?

00:36:35 ◼   ► Oh my god, I forgot about that.

00:36:36 ◼   ► Yeah, those in theory... let me check in parcel... those in theory are coming at some point.

00:36:43 ◼   ► So the last I heard... let's see, what are they...

00:36:47 ◼   ► arrived at terminal location in Frankfurt, in Germany, three days ago.

00:36:53 ◼   ► You'll have them just in time for when the battery arrives.

00:36:56 ◼   ► Maybe, yeah, maybe. We'll see.

00:37:00 ◼   ► I'm intrigued to get the Federico review of the magnetic pop socket.

00:37:04 ◼   ► Yeah, it's gonna be fun I think. We can talk about that on the show.

00:37:09 ◼   ► Yeah, man, the battery, I really want this battery. I cannot wait.

00:37:14 ◼   ► Shame though about the single color. I would have liked to see more colors.

00:37:18 ◼   ► Yeah, I was gonna say, what do you think about white? What do you think about white?

00:37:20 ◼   ► It's fine. It's fine. I think it goes well with my gold iPhone red case combo.

00:37:27 ◼   ► So I'm gonna have gold, red, white. I think it's gonna look nice.

00:37:31 ◼   ► I would have liked to see more colors. I would have liked to see more options there as well.

00:37:37 ◼   ► Like, I'm fine with it. Oh, I should mention this thing that we've been talking about the beach.

00:37:44 ◼   ► There's one thing that has been annoying me about Twitter lately.

00:37:48 ◼   ► Well, I guess it's not.

00:37:49 ◼   ► Okay, I wasn't sure where this is.

00:37:50 ◼   ► That would take a lot of steps, that one did.

00:37:53 ◼   ► Hold on, yeah.

00:37:54 ◼   ► All right.

00:37:55 ◼   ► So there's a lot of things that are annoying me about people in general.

00:37:58 ◼   ► And people on Twitter, especially.

00:38:01 ◼   ► Right?

00:38:02 ◼   ► But there's one thing that's been happening a lot this summer.

00:38:07 ◼   ► People who appear to get upset if you say that you use an iPhone at the beach.

00:38:15 ◼   ► Oh my god, yes.

00:38:16 ◼   ► Every time. Yes. Every single time. I've been seeing this too. I think mostly it's tweets

00:38:21 ◼   ► to you. Yes, like "Oh, what are you gonna enjoy your iPhone covered in sand?" I don't

00:38:27 ◼   ► know if these people have ever seen sand or touched sand. Maybe they think of sand as

00:38:34 ◼   ► like this dangerous thing, but it's like literally little pieces of stone and grung and glass,

00:38:45 ◼   ► whatever, like it's totally fine, you can just blow it away or use your hand to remove

00:38:53 ◼   ► it and modern iPhones are like dustproof and waterproof and nothing happens.

00:38:59 ◼   ► Also, I really don't understand.

00:39:02 ◼   ► Here's the other thing, why do people care about what you do with your phone?

00:39:06 ◼   ► It's the tone of the tweet, you know when they attach the emoji and the faces to that,

00:39:14 ◼   ► Like sometimes people complain about that and they attach an eye roll to the tweet.

00:39:20 ◼   ► It's like, why are you so annoyed?

00:39:22 ◼   ► Anyway, it's totally fine to use an iPhone at the beach.

00:39:26 ◼   ► Like it's...

00:39:27 ◼   ► Better because that's a...

00:39:28 ◼   ► I'm not so precious about like, oh no, I'm at the beach.

00:39:32 ◼   ► I guess I'm back to being a primitive person.

00:39:35 ◼   ► I cannot use an iPhone anymore.

00:39:37 ◼   ► No, it's okay.

00:39:39 ◼   ► Anyway.

00:39:40 ◼   ► Back to nature.

00:39:41 ◼   ► No fun for you.

00:39:42 ◼   ► Back to nature.

00:39:43 ◼   ► I'm one with nature.

00:39:44 ◼   ► This reminds me of my current campaign to say to people if you want to install the beta, install the beta.

00:39:49 ◼   ► I like that.

00:39:51 ◼   ► This is my campaign. I can't stand this like,

00:39:54 ◼   ► "Oh, don't install it on your phone. Like, just let people do what they want. People can do whatever they want."

00:39:59 ◼   ► We should do whatever we want to do.

00:40:01 ◼   ► We cannot use certain expressions on this show. But yeah, do whatever you want.

00:40:07 ◼   ► It's fine. You want to live dangerously? Go do that.

00:40:12 ◼   ► It's funny, someone emailed me wondering why I would have gone like waterfall, cliff jumping

00:40:19 ◼   ► type thing with an Apple Watch on.

00:40:20 ◼   ► I was like, "because I've been hiking for four hours."

00:40:22 ◼   ► Like these things aren't, I mean, they're expensive.

00:40:25 ◼   ► I would say these things all apply to everyone except Stephen because he doesn't stop breaking

00:40:29 ◼   ► things.

00:40:30 ◼   ► Stephen, Stephen's not allowed to do anything.

00:40:33 ◼   ► I can't take my phone to the beach.

00:40:34 ◼   ► You can't.

00:40:35 ◼   ► You can't take your phone anywhere.

00:40:37 ◼   ► You gotta bubble wrap it and leave it at home.

00:40:40 ◼   ► it in like a shoe box lined with blankets.

00:40:43 ◼   ► Yeah, I ordered a battery pack too.

00:40:47 ◼   ► I'm a little sad it's just white, but I think it's going to be great for days of travel.

00:40:51 ◼   ► You know, small, just use it when you need it.

00:40:53 ◼   ► If you need a bigger battery with more power, there's lots of options, but for what this

00:40:58 ◼   ► is, I'm really excited.

00:41:00 ◼   ► Maybe just all Apple accessories are going to be white again.

00:41:02 ◼   ► Oh, I hope not.

00:41:04 ◼   ► How's the white keyboard holding up?

00:41:06 ◼   ► Don't one of y'all have the white keyboard?

00:41:08 ◼   ► What white keyboard?

00:41:09 ◼   ► Oh, the magic keyboard! Oh yeah, it's gross. I forgot about that.

00:41:12 ◼   ► It's gross. Yeah, yeah it is. I've been cleaning it, but there's like damage has been done

00:41:20 ◼   ► to that keyboard. To be fair though, the black one gets gross as well, but just in its own

00:41:26 ◼   ► way. Yeah.

00:41:27 ◼   ► But the dark one feels like easy to clean. The white one, like if it stains...

00:41:34 ◼   ► Yeah, it does. It really does.

00:41:36 ◼   ► Okay, hear me out. Hear me out.

00:41:38 ◼   ► iPad Pro 2022 Silver Magic Keyboard.

00:41:42 ◼   ► It would really look like a laptop at that point.

00:41:45 ◼   ► But still material?

00:41:48 ◼   ► Like...

00:41:50 ◼   ► It wouldn't be metal, right?

00:41:51 ◼   ► No, no.

00:41:52 ◼   ► It's actual silver.

00:41:53 ◼   ► Very heavy.

00:41:55 ◼   ► Hear me out.

00:41:59 ◼   ► Range of colors.

00:42:00 ◼   ► Yes.

00:42:00 ◼   ► Even better.

00:42:01 ◼   ► I want a blue one or a orange one.

00:42:03 ◼   ► I want a red one. Red. Yes. Oh. See, we should be in charge of Design at Apple. I

00:42:12 ◼   ► keep saying this. We're gonna get to Design at Apple in a minute. Don't worry.

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00:44:05 ◼   ► Oh my God.

00:44:06 ◼   ► I just did it.

00:44:06 ◼   ► Bye everyone.

00:44:10 ◼   ► I'm leaving now.

00:44:11 ◼   ► Thanks so much.

00:44:13 ◼   ► Now is the end of my, I've spoken about earlier in the episode.

00:44:17 ◼   ► I have now reached the maximum amount of words I can speak as a human.

00:44:21 ◼   ► I'm done. Peace out.

00:44:23 ◼   ► Well, Steven.

00:44:24 ◼   ► Beta 3 is here.

00:44:26 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:44:28 ◼   ► Came out on the 14th, I think a little bit later than people thought it would be here.

00:44:34 ◼   ► But it brings some changes.

00:44:35 ◼   ► Of course, the first thing everyone looks at is Safari.

00:44:38 ◼   ► So Federico, tell me about the changes to Safari 15.

00:44:42 ◼   ► Okay, so iOS first.

00:44:45 ◼   ► So, the iPhone version of Safari, we talked about it before, it's been criticized a lot.

00:44:51 ◼   ► In fact, I was talking about this with Jon, I don't think I've seen a single positive take

00:44:58 ◼   ► on the new Safari in all of the first impression stories that came out when the public beta was

00:45:05 ◼   ► released. Like, I've read all the articles that came out on that day, I don't think anyone,

00:45:11 ◼   ► Literally anyone had a positive thing to say about the new design.

00:45:15 ◼   ► So Apple is listening to feedback, thankfully, and they are iterating on this design.

00:45:23 ◼   ► In the iPhone version,

00:45:26 ◼   ► they're keeping the floating top bar at the bottom of the screen with the reachable controls.

00:45:34 ◼   ► But now they got rid of

00:45:37 ◼   ► What was one of the key problems of the original design which is when you tapped

00:45:43 ◼   ► The floating top bar at the bottom the address bar would shoot all the way to the top of the screen

00:45:50 ◼   ► Yeah, this new design

00:45:53 ◼   ► And it would hide whatever you were looking at so

00:45:56 ◼   ► It would just be like in my case. I use dark mode

00:45:59 ◼   ► It would just be that gray and it would like float to the top of the screen

00:46:02 ◼   ► It's like where you going buddy stay with me

00:46:05 ◼   ► So now what happens is you still have the floating bar at the bottom, but when you tap it, it doesn't go to the top.

00:46:14 ◼   ► It stays sort of docked above the keyboard.

00:46:18 ◼   ► So I feel like it's easier to keep your eyesight focused on the same area of the screen.

00:46:28 ◼   ► So you tap at the bottom and you can continue looking at the bottom,

00:46:32 ◼   ► which it's one of the things that we suggested on the show,

00:46:34 ◼   ► and Apple did exactly that.

00:46:36 ◼   ► - Yeah, it brings it in line with how messages works.

00:46:40 ◼   ► - Exactly, yes.

00:46:41 ◼   ► So they're keeping the floating bar for now.

00:46:45 ◼   ► I feel like they made it a little smaller,

00:46:50 ◼   ► not that smaller, just a little.

00:46:52 ◼   ► I think, I feel like it's easier now to see

00:46:54 ◼   ► that you have like adjacent tabs on the left and on the right.

00:46:59 ◼   ► on the left and on the right, because I feel like Apple really wants to sell

00:47:04 ◼   ► users on the idea that now it's easier to swipe between tabs as well as to open

00:47:11 ◼   ► a new tab by swiping to the left. So they're making that smaller so that you

00:47:16 ◼   ► can see more, like you can see the beginning of the other tab on the other

00:47:20 ◼   ► side. Now, they also redesigned the, sort of, the what you see when you're typing

00:47:28 ◼   ► in in the address bar, so the design of the topics and the Google search

00:47:33 ◼   ► suggestions, that has a new design that's got more icons, it's nicer than before.

00:47:39 ◼   ► Now, this new design on iPhone does not fix the other problems that we

00:47:44 ◼   ► mentioned, such as, you know, you're going from two toolbars in iOS 14 to a single

00:47:53 ◼   ► toolbar, you have to cut, you have to hide some controls. And Apple is not changing

00:48:01 ◼   ► that for now. Now, I feel like Beta 3 is the first step in Apple sort of walking

00:48:11 ◼   ► back some decisions for the new Safari, but the reload button is still not shown

00:48:18 ◼   ► by default. Now, if you want to reload the page and you do not want to use pull to

00:48:23 ◼   ► refresh, you can long press on the address bar to see a reload button. All those other

00:48:31 ◼   ► buttons that were shown at all times before, they are still hidden by default in the iPhone

00:48:37 ◼   ► design. Now before I let you cover the Mac version, Steven, the iPad... So, a couple

00:48:44 ◼   ► of weeks ago we said, of all the new versions of Safari, the iPad is the best one, because

00:48:52 ◼   ► it strikes this balance between the iPhone and Mac versions. Now, I don't know what they

00:48:59 ◼   ► did in iPadOS 15 Beta 3, but I feel like the iPad version is now the worst one of the bunch.

00:49:07 ◼   ► They made tabs a little wider, but not that much wider, really. But they added all these

00:49:17 ◼   ► new animations when you scroll tabs, when you click them, when you open a tab. Now sometimes

00:49:26 ◼   ► it opens to the right, sometimes it doesn't. When you open a link from a website in the

00:49:32 ◼   ► background, like you select a link and you do opening background, sometimes it opens

00:49:37 ◼   ► next to the current tab, other times it doesn't. And there's like all these animations, like

00:49:44 ◼   ► these tabs flying around. It's a really bad design. And I feel like this is a temporary

00:49:51 ◼   ► thing because I truly believe that Apple will bring the same setting that they brought to

00:49:57 ◼   ► Monterey Beta 3 to iPadOS, maybe in Beta 4 already.

00:50:04 ◼   ► I have something to say.

00:50:07 ◼   ► Oh, you're back!

00:50:07 ◼   ► I didn't really want to talk, but I felt like it was probably the time to say something.

00:50:12 ◼   ► In an article, a link article to an interview that he was on, John Gruber said that similar

00:50:16 ◼   ► changes are coming to the iPad.

00:50:18 ◼   ► So on the Mac, they have separated the tab bar and the address bar again, like it is

00:50:25 ◼   ► in the current version of Safari, Safari 14.

00:50:29 ◼   ► Is that by default?

00:50:30 ◼   ► Yes.

00:50:31 ◼   ► Okay.

00:50:33 ◼   ► You can still turn on or off the effect where the webpage colors the UI of the Safari.

00:50:40 ◼   ► So the links on 512 that's on so you can see the relay color, the slate color, filling

00:50:44 ◼   ► up the all the browser.

00:50:47 ◼   ► But these tabs are really weird.

00:50:49 ◼   ► And I sort of agree, I don't think this is final, because they're really ugly on the

00:50:55 ◼   ► Mac, especially if you only have one open and it's like spans the whole width of the

00:51:00 ◼   ► window.

00:51:01 ◼   ► And they look just like the iPad ones, which of course are touchable.

00:51:06 ◼   ► And you can't touch things on the Mac.

00:51:09 ◼   ► And so I think that we will probably see a more traditional tab design hopefully come

00:51:14 ◼   ► to the Mac.

00:51:15 ◼   ► But the weirdest thing, and Steven Trout Smith pointed this out on Twitter, and he's

00:51:20 ◼   ► totally right, the order top to bottom is address bar, tabs, and then your favorites.

00:51:27 ◼   ► And every browser ever has had tabs closest to the content, and you have your bookmarks

00:51:35 ◼   ► in between the address bar and the tabs.

00:51:37 ◼   ► And so it breaks the illusion that the tabs are connected to the content, even though

00:51:44 ◼   ► the content affects the color of the tab and the whole browser.

00:51:47 ◼   ► It's just like, things are just in the wrong order.

00:51:50 ◼   ► It just feels really rushed.

00:51:51 ◼   ► And I expect to see that change in beta 4.

00:51:55 ◼   ► But it's better.

00:51:57 ◼   ► It's a lot better actually having like a regular address bar again.

00:52:00 ◼   ► But there's some other stuff that need to clean up.

00:52:02 ◼   ► So what they did on the Mac is, the old design with the separate address bar and tab is the

00:52:11 ◼   ► default again, and if you want, there's an optional setting to use the compact version

00:52:20 ◼   ► of it, which is the one we did not like.

00:52:23 ◼   ► So on the Mac, they reverted the design to the old one, by default.

00:52:27 ◼   ► So I feel like this is gonna happen on iPad as well, but I feel like the opposite is gonna

00:52:32 ◼   ► happen on iPhone. I get the sense that Apple is really proud of this floating bar at the bottom.

00:52:38 ◼   ► So my working theory right now is that they're gonna do this on Mac OS and iPad OS. The old

00:52:46 ◼   ► design is gonna be the default one. If you want, you can enable the compact design. On iPhone,

00:52:53 ◼   ► the compact design is gonna be the default one. And if you want, I think they're gonna bring back

00:53:00 ◼   ► some settings that you can optionally enable. Yeah and even then it's not

00:53:06 ◼   ► really the old design it's like the the separation of the address bar and the

00:53:12 ◼   ► tabs but the rest of it is still like new and janky. It's better on the Mac it's

00:53:17 ◼   ► definitely better and but I just hope they continue working because they're

00:53:21 ◼   ► not there yet. And I really don't understand those tabs on Monterey like

00:53:25 ◼   ► why do they look like buttons? Why do they look like the address bar? They do!

00:53:31 ◼   ► It's yeah again I think this is as why I took screenshots of them too I really

00:53:36 ◼   ► feel and hope that this is some sort of intermediate design on the Mac and that

00:53:41 ◼   ► there's there's more to do because there's more to do. They brought the

00:53:45 ◼   ► permanent share button back. They did. Which is big stuff, important stuff.

00:53:51 ◼   ► big change. Important change. Okay, so obviously, you know, redesigns in general, whether you have a

00:54:01 ◼   ► website or like you're redesigning your blog, whatever, like redesigning something, you're

00:54:08 ◼   ► gonna upset some people, right? Now the thing is, I feel like some things in the computing world

00:54:16 ◼   ► were tried multiple times in the past by a lot of really smart people. And eventually we landed

00:54:25 ◼   ► on some key concepts that are the, not perfect, but the easiest representation of that idea for

00:54:36 ◼   ► most people. Like, look at folders in a file manager. It's not an ideal way to think about

00:54:45 ◼   ► documents, but people can navigate around those, right? And Apple tried years ago to do away with

00:54:53 ◼   ► the file manager, like in the old days of iOS and iPadOS, and eventually they did a file manager.

00:55:00 ◼   ► There are some key ideas in computing that were tried in the past, did not work out,

00:55:07 ◼   ► and eventually we landed on like this... some sort of core designs that tend to work for the majority

00:55:19 ◼   ► of people. And I feel like in web browsers there's a lot of innovation that can happen,

00:55:24 ◼   ► but some key ideas like there's the address bar and there's tabs and those are separate.

00:55:33 ◼   ► Like, I feel like that is a really strong metaphor for a lot of people.

00:55:39 ◼   ► Because when you think about it, like, it's all so weird, right?

00:55:42 ◼   ► Like, what is a website when you think about it?

00:55:46 ◼   ► Like, what is the title and the URL?

00:55:49 ◼   ► So, like, we landed on this representation of navigating the web, right?

00:55:56 ◼   ► That sort of makes sense.

00:55:58 ◼   ► You can see a tab, and you can see the URL.

00:56:01 ◼   ► and if you change the URL, it changes the tab, and below the tab you see the page.

00:56:06 ◼   ► Like, this is a concept that is sort of ingrained in our brains by now.

00:56:11 ◼   ► And so you go change that, it just causes a lot of trouble, right?

00:56:15 ◼   ► It just causes a lot of issues. It's like, imagine if...

00:56:20 ◼   ► I don't know. Imagine if I told you you no longer drink water using a glass.

00:56:26 ◼   ► Now you drink water using a balloon.

00:56:29 ◼   ► It's like, wait, what, what, why?

00:56:31 ◼   ► Like I, I grew up drinking water from a glass.

00:56:35 ◼   ► Like, no, this is a much better way.

00:56:38 ◼   ► Now we're changing the whole game.

00:56:39 ◼   ► It's like, but the glass was easier.

00:56:41 ◼   ► Like I'm used to the glass and it's like, nope.

00:56:43 ◼   ► Now you fill the balloon and then you drink water from the balloon.

00:56:46 ◼   ► It's like, okay, it's kind of not as comfortable as before, but I'll do what

00:56:51 ◼   ► you tell me to do.

00:56:51 ◼   ► And then people complain about it and you go back to the glass.

00:56:54 ◼   ► You can get one-handed functionality with a balloon.

00:56:57 ◼   ► We all know this.

00:56:58 ◼   ► Sure.

00:56:59 ◼   ► It's easy.

00:57:01 ◼   ► You know, so I feel like browsers--

00:57:04 ◼   ► Pull to refresh.

00:57:06 ◼   ► Sure.

00:57:07 ◼   ► If you pull the balloon, you will be refreshed.

00:57:09 ◼   ► Sure.

00:57:10 ◼   ► Look. Sorry.

00:57:11 ◼   ► There's a lot of things that you can do

00:57:13 ◼   ► that you can innovate around the main UI of a browser.

00:57:18 ◼   ► Like you look at Firefox, you look at Edge.

00:57:20 ◼   ► I think Edge is doing vertical tabs now, right?

00:57:23 ◼   ► and Firefox has them too. But it's an option. It's an option. If you like it, you can use

00:57:28 ◼   ► it, right? I feel like we are going to... I sort of applaud Apple for trying to do things

00:57:40 ◼   ► a different way, but sometimes you gotta wonder, are you doing it differently because it's...

00:57:48 ◼   ► a certain kind of pleasure in attempting a revolutionizing design rather than like the

00:57:58 ◼   ► practicality of it, you know? I don't know.

00:58:01 ◼   ► Well, we'll find out because the process ain't over yet.

00:58:05 ◼   ► Yeah, I think we're gonna see more changes. This is the first step in finding a middle

00:58:13 ◼   ► ground that works for everybody. And again, there's a lot of good about the reachable

00:58:22 ◼   ► design on iPhone. And I feel like a lot of people, if that, and I think that will remain,

00:58:30 ◼   ► right? And a lot of people are going to use that. But there's also a lot of valid arguments

00:58:37 ◼   ► in favor of... look, I just want to have controls visible at all times. I don't want to tap

00:58:46 ◼   ► into submenus, I don't want a long press to find hidden options, I just want to have buttons

00:58:54 ◼   ► in front of me. And I have to wonder if maybe part of the problem is this sort of campaign

00:59:03 ◼   ► inside of Apple against buttons being visible at all times.

00:59:10 ◼   ► And I don't understand why, like, a button never killed anybody, right?

00:59:18 ◼   ► It's I don't know if that's technically true.

00:59:21 ◼   ► Well, I mean, you think about no clear, no clear buttons and like launching, you know,

00:59:26 ◼   ► rockets sure.

00:59:27 ◼   ► But like in, in user interfaces, right?

00:59:32 ◼   ► You know, they do have this movement happening with an Apple.

00:59:37 ◼   ► The thing I just thought about as you were talking is,

00:59:41 ◼   ► we mentioned last week that how weird it is

00:59:44 ◼   ► that especially on the iPhone, Safari is the only thing

00:59:46 ◼   ► that looks and acts this way, I guess other than messages,

00:59:49 ◼   ► which is kind of similar.

00:59:52 ◼   ► But everywhere else, the text box is just where

00:59:54 ◼   ► the text box is and the keyboard comes up

00:59:56 ◼   ► and you type and that's it.

00:59:57 ◼   ► If they had really redone iOS to be more bottom centric

01:00:02 ◼   ► and not have all this stuff at the top of the screen anymore

01:00:07 ◼   ► they would not be walking Safari back the way that they are

01:00:10 ◼   ► because the whole OS would have been that way.

01:00:13 ◼   ► And I wonder if that was the plan to move iOS

01:00:18 ◼   ► in more of this direction over time,

01:00:20 ◼   ► what those plans are after they've seen

01:00:23 ◼   ► how people respond to this.

01:00:25 ◼   ► - Yeah, that's a really good point.

01:00:27 ◼   ► And it also reminds me how, I think it's kind of ironic,

01:00:32 ◼   ► how one of the sessions at WWDC this year

01:00:37 ◼   ► was about discoverable design.

01:00:40 ◼   ► One of the many changes in SwiftUI

01:00:45 ◼   ► is all these new controls that you have as a developer

01:00:48 ◼   ► for making buttons.

01:00:50 ◼   ► You can now make text-only buttons.

01:00:52 ◼   ► You can make buttons that have a shape.

01:00:54 ◼   ► You can choose between different colors.

01:00:56 ◼   ► You can mix and match SF symbols and labels, right?

01:01:00 ◼   ► I don't know, I guess I'm a big fan of buttons

01:01:03 ◼   ► and I don't understand this crusade against them.

01:01:06 ◼   ► I don't really think it's that more convenient to say,

01:01:13 ◼   ► oh yeah, this functionality is here.

01:01:16 ◼   ► You just need to long press on this little thing

01:01:19 ◼   ► that does not really tell you you can long press it

01:01:22 ◼   ► and you will discover it.

01:01:23 ◼   ► So what is good though is that Apple is listening

01:01:27 ◼   ► and that the Safari team is listening

01:01:29 ◼   ► and they are changing things quickly, right?

01:01:33 ◼   ► So we'll see, I think it's gonna be

01:01:37 ◼   ► a long beta cycle for Safari.

01:01:40 ◼   ► In fact, there's really nothing else in beta 3

01:01:43 ◼   ► for other apps, it's pretty much set.

01:01:46 ◼   ► Like there's SharePlay and QuickNote and Focus, right?

01:01:50 ◼   ► It's only Safari that is changing at this point.

01:01:53 ◼   ► And I feel like it's gonna be a long cycle for that.

01:01:55 ◼   ► - All hands on deck for Safari, that's why.

01:01:58 ◼   ► They're pulling in people from everywhere.

01:02:00 ◼   ► If everybody comes mad, we've got a overhaul of Safari.

01:02:03 ◼   ► Come on guys.

01:02:03 ◼   ► - Yeah, well, it's not just me.

01:02:04 ◼   ► - And bringing them all in,

01:02:06 ◼   ► like locking down the building.

01:02:08 ◼   ► - You know who's mad?

01:02:08 ◼   ► You know who's mad?

01:02:09 ◼   ► Sylvia is mad.

01:02:10 ◼   ► Sylvia is.

01:02:11 ◼   ► - Well then, there you go.

01:02:13 ◼   ► By addition.

01:02:14 ◼   ► - I showed her the new Safari and she was like,

01:02:16 ◼   ► "What is this?"

01:02:17 ◼   ► I cannot use certain words on the show.

01:02:20 ◼   ► But yeah, but she's really mad.

01:02:22 ◼   ► She's upset.

01:02:23 ◼   ► doesn't like it. She said it's a tragedy. She said it's a disaster. Like if they launched

01:02:30 ◼   ► this, it's a disaster. Yeah. So, and she has really good eye, you know. I mean, she's with

01:02:36 ◼   ► me.

01:02:37 ◼   ► She picked you.

01:02:38 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:02:39 ◼   ► They got to keep it from staying sad, Farri.

01:02:45 ◼   ► What is going on with you today?

01:02:47 ◼   ► Is it because of the people outside? You think you're being funny?

01:02:50 ◼   ► Yeah, he's trying to be funny for the construction work.

01:02:53 ◼   ► Are you winking at the people outside?

01:02:54 ◼   ► He's like, "Hey guys, hey guys, come listen to this one."

01:02:57 ◼   ► He boots himself, right?

01:02:58 ◼   ► Come in, come and gather around while I say this one.

01:03:00 ◼   ► He uses the mute button, he's like,

01:03:02 ◼   ► "Hey guys, come over here."

01:03:03 ◼   ► Come on, I gotta go one, I gotta go one.

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01:04:22 ◼   ► Germin lives.

01:04:24 ◼   ► What is this?

01:04:25 ◼   ► I don't understand why you titled this stuff like this.

01:04:28 ◼   ► - Something happened to Mark?

01:04:29 ◼   ► - He didn't go away or anything.

01:04:30 ◼   ► It's not like, it's not.

01:04:32 ◼   ► What is this?

01:04:34 ◼   ► - I don't know.

01:04:35 ◼   ► It's like half the Google doc today

01:04:37 ◼   ► is stuff Germin reported.

01:04:38 ◼   ► So let's start with the iPad mini,

01:04:40 ◼   ► the patron saint of the connected podcast.

01:04:43 ◼   ► - I like that.

01:04:44 ◼   ► - Yeah.

01:04:45 ◼   ► Germin says the upcoming,

01:04:47 ◼   ► The upcoming update, as our show notes say,

01:04:49 ◼   ► is the iPad Mini's biggest redesign since it launched.

01:04:52 ◼   ► It uses the same design.

01:04:54 ◼   ► That design that it has started with the iPad Mini

01:04:58 ◼   ► and then moved to the iPad Air the next year,

01:05:00 ◼   ► still the same.

01:05:01 ◼   ► He says it's gonna go up to 8.4 inches on the display.

01:05:04 ◼   ► It's currently 7.9.

01:05:07 ◼   ► And that sort of jives with Myke's best friend,

01:05:11 ◼   ► Mengqi Kuo's report, saying that it would be between 8.5

01:05:15 ◼   ► and nine inches.

01:05:16 ◼   ► So I think we're looking about that size.

01:05:19 ◼   ► I feel pretty confident that's gonna get a little bigger.

01:05:21 ◼   ► - I mean, I'm intrigued about what,

01:05:23 ◼   ► you know, that phrase, like the biggest redesign,

01:05:26 ◼   ► what is it gonna look like?

01:05:28 ◼   ► Like just getting a bigger screen

01:05:30 ◼   ► doesn't really feel like a redesign to me.

01:05:32 ◼   ► - Yeah, I mean, he says it'll have no home button

01:05:35 ◼   ► and slimmer bezel,

01:05:36 ◼   ► so maybe it's gonna look like a little iPad Air.

01:05:38 ◼   ► - This is gonna be so good.

01:05:40 ◼   ► Yes.

01:05:41 ◼   ► There's a few things that I really want

01:05:44 ◼   ► from sort of in terms of electronics at this point,

01:05:49 ◼   ► this is one of them.

01:05:50 ◼   ► Like an iPad mini that looks like a mini iPad Pro.

01:05:54 ◼   ► Yes, please.

01:05:54 ◼   ► Like this is gonna be the perfect reading device for me.

01:05:58 ◼   ► There's a whole thing I wanted to talk about actually.

01:06:01 ◼   ► It's not a whole thing, it's a small thing,

01:06:02 ◼   ► but it's a thing.

01:06:04 ◼   ► It's a thing.

01:06:05 ◼   ► - What is a thing really when you think about it?

01:06:07 ◼   ► - What is it?

01:06:07 ◼   ► Right, I know.

01:06:09 ◼   ► There's a whole branch of philosophy about this.

01:06:11 ◼   ► - So I bought a bunch of water balloons

01:06:12 ◼   ► and I've been filling them up

01:06:13 ◼   ► And I'm drinking out of them.

01:06:16 ◼   ► It's like a whole thing.

01:06:19 ◼   ► No, OK, so hear me out.

01:06:23 ◼   ► QuikNote is a companion for Safari Reading List.

01:06:30 ◼   ► So you save articles in Safari Reading List.

01:06:34 ◼   ► When you're reading an article, you

01:06:36 ◼   ► use QuikNote to highlight passages from the article

01:06:39 ◼   ► that you like.

01:06:41 ◼   ► Later, when you're done, you delete the article from Safari Reading List,

01:06:46 ◼   ► you archive the Quick Note for the article,

01:06:51 ◼   ► you put it in a folder, whatever.

01:06:53 ◼   ► If you ever want to revisit the article,

01:06:56 ◼   ► you tap one of those special links in Apple Notes,

01:07:01 ◼   ► and it takes you back to the article,

01:07:03 ◼   ► and it shows you all of the highlights that you saved.

01:07:06 ◼   ► I feel like the combos Reading List and Quick Note

01:07:08 ◼   ► gonna be perfect for people who like to highlight stuff they read on the web. And I'm imagining

01:07:15 ◼   ► like this is gonna be so sweet with an iPad Mini, because QuickNote is iPad only, and the iPad Mini

01:07:21 ◼   ► is gonna be great for reading one-handed. And it's also gonna be so good if it gets the redesign,

01:07:27 ◼   ► because you can open QuickNote by swiping from the bottom right corner, it's gonna be so good.

01:07:33 ◼   ► And this potential combo of... because I've been testing this and it does work as expected,

01:07:39 ◼   ► I believe you can also search the text for the highlight in Apple Notes. And it's the...

01:07:47 ◼   ► I think at this point the only thing that is sort of luring me away from Obsidian,

01:07:53 ◼   ► like this combination of Safari and Quick Note, because it's so easy to do. Like, you just

01:08:00 ◼   ► highlight some text in Safari, and you say "New Quick Note". There's a button right there.

01:08:05 ◼   ► Or, if the Quick Note already exists, the button says "Add to Quick Note", and it appends the

01:08:13 ◼   ► selection to the bottom of the Quick Note. And later, if you reopen an article that has a Quick

01:08:20 ◼   ► Note stored in Apple Notes, the thumbnail pops in from the bottom of the screen and reminds you,

01:08:28 ◼   ► "Hey, there's a bunch of quick notes for this article right here."

01:08:31 ◼   ► So it's like sort of instant recall for highlights and notes that you took while reading.

01:08:38 ◼   ► I built an entire system in Obsidian about this using an integration with this web service called

01:08:46 ◼   ► Readwise that lets me highlight text in Safari using a shortcut, and then those highlights are

01:08:54 ◼   ► pulled in with the plugin in Obsidian and it's fine, it works well, but this

01:08:59 ◼   ► version is a lot more visual and a lot more intuitive with Reading List and

01:09:05 ◼   ► Quick Note. So maybe I'm gonna be using Apple Notes just for this because it's

01:09:11 ◼   ► it's really nice and imagining this with an iPad Mini? Oh man, it's gonna be lovely.

01:09:16 ◼   ► But you would be happy with these notes to live in Notes?

01:09:21 ◼   ► As long as I can search them. So I actually filed the feedback about this.

01:09:26 ◼   ► So hold on, we're doing this live on the show. Let me open the feedback app.

01:09:30 ◼   ► While we're doing this I can say I got, someone responded to, well my feedback was responded to.

01:09:36 ◼   ► I had a feedback which is about indent/outdent, my favorite thing.

01:09:41 ◼   ► Stopped working on iPadOS with keyboards. It just stopped doing it.

01:09:46 ◼   ► You would press shift and tab to outdent and it would just indent again.

01:09:53 ◼   ► And I raised the feedback and they fixed it.

01:09:55 ◼   ► And then they contacted me and said "Hey, we fixed your feedback!"

01:09:59 ◼   ► I was like "Oh, thanks, Apple."

01:10:01 ◼   ► So I filed feedback.

01:10:04 ◼   ► So this is FB9235571.

01:10:11 ◼   ► Results from Quick Notes saved from Safari do not come up in Notes search sometimes.

01:10:19 ◼   ► Because I ran into this bug where the text from the Safari highlight is actually indexed in Apple Notes,

01:10:28 ◼   ► but it only appears as a search result if the note is open on the right side of the screen.

01:10:35 ◼   ► Otherwise, the search result sidebar says "0 results".

01:10:39 ◼   ► But you can see that it's actually finding the text, because if you have the note open,

01:10:45 ◼   ► it highlights the text in yellow.

01:10:47 ◼   ► So it's indexing the highlight, but it says "0 results", which is wrong.

01:10:52 ◼   ► So please, if you work on the Safari or Notes team, please fix this.

01:10:56 ◼   ► Thank you.

01:10:58 ◼   ► To be fair, if it's open on the right-hand side, you don't actually need search, because

01:11:01 ◼   ► you can just see it.

01:11:02 ◼   ► Right?

01:11:03 ◼   ► But I was just proving...

01:11:04 ◼   ► Solved.

01:11:05 ◼   ► I fixed it!

01:11:06 ◼   ► point that it was actually indexing the text because you can see the little yellow highlight,

01:11:12 ◼   ► meaning that it finds the word I'm looking for. So, if this is fixed and search works,

01:11:19 ◼   ► I think I'm gonna be using Apple Notes just for this. I mean, I use Apple Notes for, like,

01:11:24 ◼   ► private documents that I can lock with Face ID, but yeah, I guess I could use it for this

01:11:32 ◼   ► one. Anyway, I'm sorry, we were talking about the iPad Mini.

01:11:36 ◼   ► going to be great. Yes. Maybe later this year. Maybe. Gurman also touched on the

01:11:41 ◼   ► bigger iMac which is still underway but not for 2020. Remember in the lead-up to

01:11:47 ◼   ► the M1 iMac around that time there was a rumor saying that Apple had put aside

01:11:53 ◼   ► the larger iMac to focus on getting the M1 out the door and now they've I guess

01:12:00 ◼   ► gone back to the big one but we won't see it this year according to Gurman.

01:12:04 ◼   ► It'll be sometime in 2021.

01:12:08 ◼   ► He does say it will be bigger than the 27 inch Intel iMac,

01:12:12 ◼   ► which makes sense.

01:12:13 ◼   ► The little one went from 21 and a half to 24 inches.

01:12:16 ◼   ► So maybe this is a 30 inch iMac.

01:12:18 ◼   ► I think somewhere around there would be nice.

01:12:20 ◼   ► It would still be a little smaller than the Pro Display XDR,

01:12:24 ◼   ► but definitely a nice size.

01:12:26 ◼   ► And I assume it'll be powered by

01:12:28 ◼   ► whatever shows up in the MacBook Pro.

01:12:31 ◼   ► So something probably not M1 based,

01:12:34 ◼   ► maybe whatever the next generation is

01:12:35 ◼   ► and the high end of that generation possibly.

01:12:38 ◼   ► - Steven, you said 2020.

01:12:41 ◼   ► We did 20, definitely not 2020, neither 2021.

01:12:47 ◼   ► I think that was what you meant to say, not 2021.

01:12:49 ◼   ► - Okay, look, doing the calendar

01:12:51 ◼   ► has really messed up my internal clock.

01:12:55 ◼   ► - You know, you need to make sure

01:12:56 ◼   ► you're really paying attention to dates.

01:12:59 ◼   ► Nobody out of the three of us

01:13:00 ◼   ► needs to know dates better than you.

01:13:02 ◼   ► I know when everything is in 2022, I don't know what year it is.

01:13:06 ◼   ► Well, if you could let me know when this iMac comes out, that'd be great, because that's

01:13:08 ◼   ► when I think this is probably a 2022 product, I guess.

01:13:11 ◼   ► Yeah, I mean, this iMac is not going to come out last year.

01:13:14 ◼   ► It should have, though.

01:13:16 ◼   ► Sherman says it won't be this year.

01:13:19 ◼   ► I think this is exciting.

01:13:20 ◼   ► I think there's going to be more of a gap, though, than I think we would have expected,

01:13:25 ◼   ► right, between the 24 and the bigger ones.

01:13:28 ◼   ► is making me happier about my decision to get the the yellow iMac that I have in front of me right

01:13:34 ◼   ► now. Yeah, I mean the two-year thing they said, I mean, COVID was already going on but it was before

01:13:41 ◼   ► the climate we're in now where manufacturing and raw materials are just harder to come by and so

01:13:47 ◼   ► I'm sure they wanted this out the door sooner just like the MacBook Pro that I'm sure they

01:13:52 ◼   ► wanted at the door sooner but they're doing what they can. Here's something, we don't really have

01:13:57 ◼   ► have time for this, I just want to insert this into this conversation and maybe we

01:14:00 ◼   ► pick it back up. But you know there's been a lot of stuff about Apple working

01:14:05 ◼   ► remotely and a lot of bad takes from people on what they should or shouldn't

01:14:09 ◼   ► do about that. And we talked about how like iOS 15 and macOS Monterey are kind

01:14:14 ◼   ► of quiet years, like hardware's maybe not moving as fast as Apple would want. I

01:14:19 ◼   ► wonder if Apple blames that on people working remotely and that they would

01:14:24 ◼   ► that they think they would have more done in iOS 15 had everyone been under one roof.

01:14:30 ◼   ► I don't know.

01:14:31 ◼   ► I don't know, I feel like iOS 15 is a pretty solid release. I don't know. Like I've seen,

01:14:36 ◼   ► I feel like I've seen versions of iOS that have had less in them.

01:14:40 ◼   ► Yeah, I just don't know, I just don't know if Apple is looking at some of this stuff

01:14:45 ◼   ► and saying "Oh, well if everyone was here we would be..." You know? I don't know. Because

01:14:50 ◼   ► Apple has a bad take on work from home.

01:14:52 ◼   ► Mark Gerwin also published a report about the iPhone 13 line.

01:14:57 ◼   ► 12S.

01:14:57 ◼   ► Eh.

01:14:59 ◼   ► The next iPhone line, expecting a September announcement

01:15:04 ◼   ► for all four models to be updated.

01:15:07 ◼   ► So this includes the Mini.

01:15:09 ◼   ► But you can remember from other reports

01:15:10 ◼   ► from many other analysts and people in the know

01:15:13 ◼   ► that this is likely to be the last Mini for a while.

01:15:17 ◼   ► At least one iPhone will have a variable refresh rate display

01:15:21 ◼   ► based on the LTPO technology,

01:15:24 ◼   ► which is similar to what's used in the Apple Watch

01:15:26 ◼   ► for controlling refresh rate.

01:15:29 ◼   ► - Okay, so I wanna ask y'all about this,

01:15:32 ◼   ► because I cannot make up my mind which phone it is.

01:15:35 ◼   ► If they put it on the Mini,

01:15:37 ◼   ► which has kind of mediocre battery life,

01:15:39 ◼   ► the battery life could be incredible.

01:15:41 ◼   ► But if it's about speeding up the refresh rate

01:15:44 ◼   ► and making it faster,

01:15:46 ◼   ► then it's gonna end up on the Max,

01:15:48 ◼   ► because it's the most expensive one

01:15:50 ◼   ► and the one for playing games and stuff.

01:15:53 ◼   ► - Oh no, this is going on both the Pro phones.

01:15:56 ◼   ► - Both the Pro ones, yeah. - That's what's going.

01:15:58 ◼   ► - Not the Mini, not the basic one.

01:16:00 ◼   ► - I see why you'd say the Mini,

01:16:01 ◼   ► because I think you're thinking of it

01:16:03 ◼   ► from the Apple Watch perspective, right?

01:16:06 ◼   ► And I get that, right?

01:16:07 ◼   ► - Yeah, 'cause this has benefits

01:16:09 ◼   ► on both ends of the spectrum.

01:16:10 ◼   ► It's a really interesting feature in that way.

01:16:12 ◼   ► - However, it's gonna be more expensive,

01:16:14 ◼   ► and they're not gonna sell it

01:16:15 ◼   ► as this will be good for your battery life,

01:16:17 ◼   ► even though they could.

01:16:18 ◼   ► I think it's a very good point that you make.

01:16:19 ◼   ► - They're gonna sell it as the high refresh rate display

01:16:22 ◼   ► thing, that's what it's, this is gonna take it all up to 120.

01:16:24 ◼   ► - So this is gonna be the, what do they call it on the iPad?

01:16:29 ◼   ► - ProMotion.

01:16:29 ◼   ► - ProMotion, this will be this version for this,

01:16:32 ◼   ► for the OLED phones, 'cause the iPad of course is not OLED.

01:16:35 ◼   ► - What I would love to know and would love to think about

01:16:38 ◼   ► is if this could finally bring an always on display

01:16:41 ◼   ► to the iPhone.

01:16:42 ◼   ► - I've been checking out the Android beta on a Pixel phone,

01:16:47 ◼   ► and it has an always on display,

01:16:49 ◼   ► so I can just glance at the phone

01:16:51 ◼   ► and always know what time it is and what the weather is.

01:16:53 ◼   ► It's great.

01:16:54 ◼   ► - But maybe you wouldn't be able to use

01:16:56 ◼   ► the Always On display because you don't like ProMotion.

01:16:58 ◼   ► - That would be sad if I had to turn off

01:17:00 ◼   ► the higher refresh rate but I couldn't have the Always On.

01:17:03 ◼   ► - Maybe it would.

01:17:04 ◼   ► - I would live without it because ProMotion

01:17:06 ◼   ► makes my brain vibrate.

01:17:08 ◼   ► - It might be better on a phone, you never know.

01:17:10 ◼   ► - Yeah, yeah, we'll see.

01:17:11 ◼   ► - It'd be worth trying.

01:17:13 ◼   ► The notch is gonna get smaller finally.

01:17:15 ◼   ► - Okay.

01:17:16 ◼   ► upgrades including better video recording, better optical zoom. I assume

01:17:21 ◼   ► this means more optical zoom. I don't really know what better optical zoom would be

01:17:25 ◼   ► specifically because like technically if better means increased

01:17:30 ◼   ► they already did that. Does the non max pro go to like the 2.5 or is it still 2?

01:17:38 ◼   ► Just the max goes to the 2.5 I think. Okay so maybe they're gonna increase

01:17:43 ◼   ► that on the other phones too. There are some dummy units floating around. MKBHD posted

01:17:50 ◼   ► some pictures of them and whatever units MKBHD gets usually tend to be pretty accurate to

01:17:56 ◼   ► how the phone's going to look. Like he'll tend to make a video every year where he shows

01:18:00 ◼   ► off this stuff but he posted some images on Twitter. The cameras are massive. They're

01:18:06 ◼   ► massive. Did you guys see this? Yeah it's a huge camera bump. It's huge! I mean I don't

01:18:13 ◼   ► really know what that means. I'm not going to try and really think it means anything

01:18:16 ◼   ► because like we said this last time, thinking that like "Oh, huge sensor! It's going to

01:18:20 ◼   ► be like a DSLR in my pocket!" and it kind of, it was better. It wasn't like as excitingly

01:18:26 ◼   ► better as we thought but that is, these cameras are going to be massive. And Mark Gorman also

01:18:31 ◼   ► says that this phone is unlikely to feature Touch ID functionality in any of the models

01:18:36 ◼   ► and Apple are still working on an in-screen Touch ID sensor for the future.

01:18:41 ◼   ► So this is kind of boring, right? It's kind of a boring update.

01:18:46 ◼   ► I think when you listen, well obviously not that this show is boring, but because of what

01:18:52 ◼   ► I say, when you listen to me list it out like that maybe it's not so exciting. I think the

01:18:58 ◼   ► high refresh variable refresh rate display thing will be a big deal and Apple will make

01:19:03 ◼   ► it feel like a big deal and they'll have a bunch of software features to do interesting

01:19:07 ◼   ► things and people will be really hyped for that.

01:19:09 ◼   ► Maybe.

01:19:10 ◼   ► see what it can do I don't know I want a better ultra wide lens I've seen

01:19:16 ◼   ► another report I believe that said that but I don't remember if it was 2021 or

01:19:20 ◼   ► 2020 sorry 20 yeah 20 20 long 20 22 but I've seen reports I'm sure of

01:19:25 ◼   ► improvements to the ultra wide lenses I don't know I mean cool it doesn't sound

01:19:30 ◼   ► so exciting but I mean I'll take it for the better camera I guess Apple analyst

01:19:36 ◼   ► Ming Chi Kuo said we can see significant ultra wide lens improvements in

01:19:40 ◼   ► the iPhone 13. He expects the ultra-wide lens to get autofocus for the first time. It's

01:19:48 ◼   ► fixed focus currently. And I guess there will be some other ultra-wide lens improvements.

01:19:56 ◼   ► Maybe the new iPhone will make Safari better.

01:19:59 ◼   ► Because clearly the ultra-wide lens on the iPad Pro is better. Right, because that's

01:20:06 ◼   ► a good camera. It's better, it seems to be much better than the one that they've got

01:20:09 ◼   ► in the iPhone.

01:20:12 ◼   ► - But still, that iPad mini.

01:20:14 ◼   ► That's the king of the updates this year,

01:20:18 ◼   ► the new iPad mini.

01:20:20 ◼   ► - It'll all be here before we know it.

01:20:21 ◼   ► If you wanna read more about the stories we spoke about,

01:20:23 ◼   ► head on over to the website at relay.fm/connected/354.

01:20:28 ◼   ► While you're on the Relay website, check out Material.

01:20:32 ◼   ► It's hosted by our friends, Flo and Andy.

01:20:35 ◼   ► They talk about what's going on

01:20:37 ◼   ► over on the Google side of things.

01:20:39 ◼   ► So follow along at relay.fm/material

01:20:43 ◼   ► or to search for material wherever you get your shows.

01:20:45 ◼   ► You can find all of us online.

01:20:47 ◼   ► You can find Federico on Twitter @viti.cci.

01:20:51 ◼   ► He of course is the editor-in-chief of maxstories.net.

01:20:55 ◼   ► We didn't talk about a review update,

01:20:57 ◼   ► but I assume you're still working hard on the review.

01:21:00 ◼   ► - Yes, I am.

01:21:01 ◼   ► - Yeah, haven't given up yet.

01:21:02 ◼   ► Nah, I'm not doing it.

01:21:04 ◼   ► I changed my mind.

01:21:05 ◼   ► - Still doing it.

01:21:06 ◼   ► Still doing it.

01:21:07 ◼   ► That's good. Congratulations. Thank you.

01:21:09 ◼   ► You can find Myke on Twitter as @IMYKE.

01:21:14 ◼   ► Myke, where else do you show up this week?

01:21:17 ◼   ► I mean, everywhere.

01:21:20 ◼   ► I can't be stopped.

01:21:21 ◼   ► Go to relay.fm/shows.

01:21:23 ◼   ► Maybe you'll find me.

01:21:24 ◼   ► Maybe you won't.

01:21:25 ◼   ► Maybe I'll show up in places you don't expect.

01:21:27 ◼   ► I really enjoyed Cortex this week.

01:21:29 ◼   ► Good job.

01:21:30 ◼   ► Oh, thank you.

01:21:30 ◼   ► I also worked really hard on this week's episode of Upgrade.

01:21:34 ◼   ► Oh, it's so good.

01:21:35 ◼   ► It took me a week to make it.

01:21:36 ◼   ► I'm not kidding. I was working on my episode for a week.

01:21:39 ◼   ► If you haven't heard it, I would really appreciate it

01:21:41 ◼   ► if you listened to it, 'cause it was so much work.

01:21:45 ◼   ► But it came out well.

01:21:48 ◼   ► - You can find me on Twitter as ismh

01:21:50 ◼   ► and you can find my writing over at 512pixels.net.

01:21:54 ◼   ► I'd like to thank our sponsors this week, Instabug,

01:21:56 ◼   ► Mack Weldon and Hover.

01:21:58 ◼   ► And until next week guys, say goodbye.

01:22:00 ◼   ► - Arrivederci.

01:22:01 ◼   ► - Cheerio.