Connected

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00:00:02 ◼   ► - Hello and welcome to Connected, episode 358.

00:00:11 ◼   ► It's made possible this week by our sponsors,

00:00:14 ◼   ► Pingdom, Indeed, and Mack Weldon.

00:00:17 ◼   ► My name is Steven Hackett and I'm joined by Mr. Myke Hurley.

00:00:20 ◼   ► - Hello.

00:00:21 ◼   ► - Hello.

00:00:22 ◼   ► - I have returned.

00:00:24 ◼   ► - And we have traded you for Federico.

00:00:26 ◼   ► - It's Federico's birthday this week.

00:00:28 ◼   ► - Yes.

00:00:29 ◼   ► And so if you remember, you know, back to olden times,

00:00:33 ◼   ► we would do this in the summer,

00:00:35 ◼   ► it becomes silly season on connected

00:00:37 ◼   ► and we all start taking weeks off.

00:00:39 ◼   ► And last summer that didn't really happen,

00:00:42 ◼   ► I think at all.

00:00:44 ◼   ► And this year it's happening a little bit more.

00:00:47 ◼   ► So you were off, then I was off,

00:00:50 ◼   ► now Federico's off and then next week.

00:00:52 ◼   ► - Next week we're all off.

00:00:54 ◼   ► No, I'm just kidding.

00:00:55 ◼   ► - Next week we're all off.

00:00:56 ◼   ► Next week the show ends.

00:00:57 ◼   ► - Next week you get ATP in this feed.

00:00:59 ◼   ► Next week we're all back together and we'll be celebrating

00:01:03 ◼   ► Real AFM's seventh? Seventh. Birthday.

00:01:07 ◼   ► And we have some very exciting stuff to announce next week on

00:01:10 ◼   ► Connected so look out for that. So if you want to be involved and wish Federico a

00:01:14 ◼   ► happy birthday

00:01:16 ◼   ► I would say send him a tweet with the weird fish emoji in it. You know what might be

00:01:19 ◼   ► better?

00:01:20 ◼   ► What would be better? Just any of the other fish.

00:01:23 ◼   ► Oh! Send non weird fish emoji

00:01:27 ◼   ► to Federico. Normal fish. Standard fish shaped fish. There's lots of fish. There's lots of

00:01:35 ◼   ► them. Just send them one of those. How many fish emoji are there? Lots actually. There's

00:01:39 ◼   ► like regular fish and then there's other types of fish and there's fish on a line. There's

00:01:43 ◼   ► a lot of fish. Emojipedia fish. Searching now. Oh yeah. Fish, tropical fish, blowfish

00:01:50 ◼   ► and fishing pole. Yep. Or fish cake. But that one. Less of a fish and more of an after fish.

00:01:59 ◼   ► Post fish experience. And then depending on how you define it, you've got like shark.

00:02:04 ◼   ► It's not a fish. There's a blowfish. Yeah, it's a fish. And there are flags that look

00:02:11 ◼   ► like fish. Thank you to Kobothor and the Discord for providing all the points. And then there's

00:02:15 ◼   ► the band. That's a different thing. There's no emoji for that. Well it is, it's an old

00:02:20 ◼   ► man emoji. Moving on, last week Federico and I spoke about YouTube premium light coming

00:02:30 ◼   ► to some countries in the European area of the world.

00:02:37 ◼   ► [Laughter]

00:02:38 ◼   ► And we had this...

00:02:41 ◼   ► I think it was in the Benelux countries mostly.

00:02:44 ◼   ► Sure.

00:02:45 ◼   ► And you are now wondering, is Myke making something up? If you ever heard that phrase

00:02:50 ◼   ► before Ben and Lux?

00:02:51 ◼   ► - It's like Belgium, Luxembourg, that little stretch.

00:02:55 ◼   ► - And a nuh, and a nuh country.

00:02:57 ◼   ► - Nuh, country of nuh.

00:02:59 ◼   ► - With a nuh in the middle, you know?

00:03:01 ◼   ► (laughing)

00:03:03 ◼   ► - It's the country of salt, 'cause salt's,

00:03:05 ◼   ► salt's abbreviation on the periodic table is N-A.

00:03:09 ◼   ► - Thanks, nerd.

00:03:10 ◼   ► - We're not salt, no.

00:03:11 ◼   ► What is salt?

00:03:12 ◼   ► Oh gosh, I have really messed this up.

00:03:13 ◼   ► Salt.

00:03:14 ◼   ► - Yeah, you've messed this up so bad,

00:03:15 ◼   ► because like one, it's spelled B-E-N-E,

00:03:19 ◼   ► It's not even B-E-N-A.

00:03:20 ◼   ► It's Benelux, not Benelux.

00:03:22 ◼   ► - Salt is sodium chloride, N-A-C-L.

00:03:24 ◼   ► I was close. - Nackel.

00:03:25 ◼   ► So it's Benecalux.

00:03:27 ◼   ► - That'd also be in the show notes.

00:03:29 ◼   ► So we're talking about YouTube Premium Lite,

00:03:31 ◼   ► and we went down this big rabbit hole of,

00:03:32 ◼   ► I wonder if this will include picture in picture.

00:03:34 ◼   ► Federico and I both totally forgot

00:03:36 ◼   ► that basically everyone is gonna get picture in picture.

00:03:38 ◼   ► It's starting out.

00:03:39 ◼   ► - This was one of those things.

00:03:41 ◼   ► I got to be a listener right to the last episode,

00:03:43 ◼   ► which I do actually always enjoy

00:03:44 ◼   ► being a listener to the episode.

00:03:47 ◼   ► And I got to have one of those moments

00:03:48 ◼   ► where I'm like, I'm talking back at you, you know?

00:03:53 ◼   ► That's kind of where I were.

00:03:55 ◼   ► Where I were?

00:03:56 ◼   ► Where I was.

00:03:57 ◼   ► Oh my God, what's happened to us today?

00:03:57 ◼   ► We need Federico.

00:03:59 ◼   ► He saves us from this.

00:04:02 ◼   ► You had, I had YouTube picture in picture on my iPad

00:04:05 ◼   ► for like three days and then it went away again.

00:04:07 ◼   ► - Yeah, I have it everywhere on both my phone

00:04:10 ◼   ► and iPad and it's fantastic.

00:04:12 ◼   ► - I hate you for that.

00:04:13 ◼   ► - Speaking of Luxembourg, Federico and I sent a call out

00:04:17 ◼   ► to see if we had any listeners in Luxembourg.

00:04:20 ◼   ► And the answer is no.

00:04:21 ◼   ► We had some responses of people who think

00:04:23 ◼   ► they're in Luxembourg or sometimes visit it.

00:04:25 ◼   ► So listener Cedric VD on Twitter lives in Belgium,

00:04:30 ◼   ► but sometimes visits Luxembourg,

00:04:32 ◼   ► but they do say they listen to Connected

00:04:33 ◼   ► while they're there.

00:04:34 ◼   ► So that's pretty good, it's pretty close.

00:04:36 ◼   ► - That's weird, like is that like a thing?

00:04:37 ◼   ► Like I keep Connected when I'm in Luxembourg only?

00:04:41 ◼   ► - Maybe.

00:04:42 ◼   ► - It's my Luxembourg podcast.

00:04:44 ◼   ► - And this sounds like an episode of "Ungenious,"

00:04:46 ◼   ► but it's not.

00:04:47 ◼   ► Listen, Tyler lives in Luxembourg, Minnesota,

00:04:51 ◼   ► but it's spelled differently.

00:04:52 ◼   ► - Interesting, I like that.

00:04:54 ◼   ► - It has a population of about 600.

00:04:57 ◼   ► Get this, his great grandfather's family

00:05:00 ◼   ► moved there from the country of Luxembourg

00:05:02 ◼   ► in the early 1900s.

00:05:04 ◼   ► Maybe they got confused, like,

00:05:05 ◼   ► "Oh, there's another Luxembourg.

00:05:07 ◼   ► "Oh, it's in Minnesota," but it was too late to go back.

00:05:09 ◼   ► - Or it's like, if we're gonna move,

00:05:10 ◼   ► we may as well move to Luxembourg, Luxembourg.

00:05:13 ◼   ► - Or like New England, New York, New Jersey.

00:05:15 ◼   ► - Yeah, it's like, well, we know we like Luxembourg,

00:05:18 ◼   ► but we have to leave, so let's just go to the other one.

00:05:20 ◼   ► - Mm-hmm.

00:05:22 ◼   ► - I'm currently scrolling through our hosting provider

00:05:25 ◼   ► to ascertain if we do actually have any listeners

00:05:28 ◼   ► from Luxembourg.

00:05:29 ◼   ► - Yeah, I mean, I could have done that,

00:05:30 ◼   ► but that was a lot of work.

00:05:32 ◼   ► - The answer is 21, no, 142 people apparently

00:05:37 ◼   ► listened to an episode.

00:05:42 ◼   ► Let me see about, maybe I should check

00:05:44 ◼   ► last week's episode specifically.

00:05:46 ◼   ► - Check last week's episode, yeah.

00:05:48 ◼   ► - Because they may not have gotten to it yet, right?

00:05:50 ◼   ► It would be, honestly, I would be quite disappointed

00:05:53 ◼   ► if that number's correct and not one of them reached out.

00:05:57 ◼   ► I feel like I would be excited about that.

00:05:59 ◼   ► Okay, nine.

00:06:00 ◼   ► There are nine people who listened

00:06:02 ◼   ► to last week's episode from Luxembourg.

00:06:04 ◼   ► - Look, the nine of you,

00:06:05 ◼   ► assuming you were using a VPN to get into Luxembourg,

00:06:08 ◼   ► you need to let us know who you are.

00:06:09 ◼   ► - Can you imagine?

00:06:10 ◼   ► Maybe that's like a long con, right?

00:06:12 ◼   ► There's just like four people from like, I don't know, Australia and they're doing the

00:06:17 ◼   ► Luxembourg thing because we spoke about it.

00:06:20 ◼   ► Maybe.

00:06:21 ◼   ► I'm disappointed in those nine people from Luxembourg, honestly.

00:06:24 ◼   ► Come on, y'all.

00:06:25 ◼   ► This was your time to shine.

00:06:27 ◼   ► Represent your tiny country.

00:06:28 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:06:29 ◼   ► I know nothing about Luxembourg except the size.

00:06:31 ◼   ► It's really nice, isn't it?

00:06:32 ◼   ► Is it nice?

00:06:33 ◼   ► Luxembourg?

00:06:34 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:06:35 ◼   ► I mean, I don't know.

00:06:36 ◼   ► I've never been there.

00:06:37 ◼   ► I mean luxury's right in the name.

00:06:38 ◼   ► Oh boy.

00:06:39 ◼   ► It's also full of robots, hence the Borg that also exists in the name.

00:06:42 ◼   ► OtterBox is making a MagSafe game controller clip.

00:06:47 ◼   ► This is more really information for Federico.

00:06:50 ◼   ► I think people probably sent this to him too.

00:06:52 ◼   ► I did want to state, I'm meaning to tell Federico this privately but forgot.

00:06:58 ◼   ► Speak to him right now, directly.

00:06:59 ◼   ► I know, I'm doing it now.

00:07:02 ◼   ► He was talking about issues or pains in his hands when playing games for a long time with

00:07:06 ◼   ► his iPhone, right?

00:07:07 ◼   ► I'm not sure that mounting a phone to a game controller is going to make that better.

00:07:12 ◼   ► Because I think the main issue with this stuff is the weight.

00:07:15 ◼   ► I've always found it's like one of my main issues with this stuff is like heavy devices.

00:07:21 ◼   ► So like put just like mounting the game control like underneath the phone.

00:07:26 ◼   ► I think it's going to add a lot of weight and would would actually put pressure on his

00:07:29 ◼   ► wrists.

00:07:30 ◼   ► So I'd be keen to know if it ends up because he was saying it was his wrists more than

00:07:34 ◼   ► his fingers that were hurting him, which would suggest to me that it wasn't the fact that

00:07:38 ◼   ► the button placement was on screen, but that he was holding the phone for so long and playing

00:07:44 ◼   ► it. So I'll be keen to see if it works for him, this thing, but I wonder, I do wonder

00:07:48 ◼   ► if he's already got the MagSafe OtterBox thing on order, probably, because, you know, he

00:07:54 ◼   ► loves MagSafe.

00:07:55 ◼   ► Yeah, I mean, it'd be easier to like get in and out of this mode if you just like pop

00:08:00 ◼   ► it on there with the magnet. The thing he had had like clamps and stuff on it. I mean,

00:08:03 ◼   ► it clamps. Yeah. Yeah. So yeah, the MagSafe, that's a really good idea. Way to go Otterbox.

00:08:08 ◼   ► box. They're smart people over there. They make a lot of cool things.

00:08:11 ◼   ► Well they own...

00:08:13 ◼   ► PopSocket?

00:08:14 ◼   ► Well they have the strategic partnership of PopSuckers. Is it PopSocket? Yeah I think it is.

00:08:18 ◼   ► I think they do.

00:08:19 ◼   ► Federico asked why no space gray for the new Magic Keyboard? And I was kind of

00:08:24 ◼   ► surprised that you didn't mention this specifically. Again I'm being like a

00:08:28 ◼   ► really annoying listener this week.

00:08:29 ◼   ► No I love feedback remember? You can email me on the...

00:08:31 ◼   ► I can't believe nobody mentioned...

00:08:33 ◼   ► Why is no one talking about this?!

00:08:35 ◼   ► There's nobody talking about this.

00:08:36 ◼   ► There probably is no space gray for the new Magic keyboards

00:08:40 ◼   ► because they're gonna wait to do those for Pro machines,

00:08:43 ◼   ► I would expect.

00:08:44 ◼   ► - Maybe.

00:08:45 ◼   ► - So the new Magic keyboards with Touch ID,

00:08:46 ◼   ► they'll be like a black one if they have a black iMac Pro

00:08:50 ◼   ► or something in the future.

00:08:51 ◼   ► - I had the thought the other day,

00:08:53 ◼   ► I was, I had my next cube out doing something with it

00:08:57 ◼   ► and which you'll find out about sooner or later.

00:09:00 ◼   ► - What could it be?

00:09:01 ◼   ► - And I thought,

00:09:04 ◼   ► This is what the new Mac Pro should be.

00:09:06 ◼   ► Like just...

00:09:07 ◼   ► Ahh.

00:09:08 ◼   ► It's too big. It's huge.

00:09:10 ◼   ► The... the... the... like... it...

00:09:11 ◼   ► From the image that you sent me, like I could see the texture of it seems a bit gross looking to me.

00:09:17 ◼   ► Oh yeah it is. But I mean like just like a black box.

00:09:20 ◼   ► Right right right right right right right right right.

00:09:22 ◼   ► You wouldn't want it to keep that style of your one?

00:09:25 ◼   ► I don't know. I mean I love mine.

00:09:26 ◼   ► I think I would like it to, personally.

00:09:29 ◼   ► Keep that... keep that kind of...

00:09:30 ◼   ► Even though I don't like all of the holes.

00:09:33 ◼   ► I think I would like it to keep that aesthetic because it does look cool even though it also

00:09:38 ◼   ► freaks me out.

00:09:39 ◼   ► You can just like reach down there and feel them.

00:09:41 ◼   ► They're very smooth inside.

00:09:42 ◼   ► I got them on the back of my display too.

00:09:45 ◼   ► You don't cut yourself in one of those?

00:09:47 ◼   ► No.

00:09:48 ◼   ► No?

00:09:49 ◼   ► Who do you think made this?

00:09:50 ◼   ► It's very smooth.

00:09:51 ◼   ► Did we actually answer what you said about keyboards?

00:09:53 ◼   ► Oh, wait for a pro machine.

00:09:54 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:09:55 ◼   ► Pro machines.

00:09:56 ◼   ► Yeah, I think it's going to be pro machines is when you get the gray ones.

00:09:58 ◼   ► I bought my wife one of those keyboards that showed up the other day.

00:10:01 ◼   ► Set up really easily.

00:10:02 ◼   ► So now she has Touch ID when her computer's in clamshell mode.

00:10:05 ◼   ► She's excited about it.

00:10:06 ◼   ► Sometimes I upgrade things in her setup

00:10:09 ◼   ► and there's not a lot of feedback about it.

00:10:12 ◼   ► But this time she was pretty psyched about it.

00:10:16 ◼   ► - Well, a lot of the time it is just a minor annoyance.

00:10:18 ◼   ► - Yeah, it's like, oh, I need your computer for two hours

00:10:20 ◼   ► so I can migrate your stuff to it.

00:10:22 ◼   ► (laughing)

00:10:23 ◼   ► - It's like, I don't want this.

00:10:24 ◼   ► I don't want what you're doing for me.

00:10:26 ◼   ► Also again, more feedback for you.

00:10:28 ◼   ► So my keyboard under the desk,

00:10:32 ◼   ► It is velcro attached. That's how I do that. It's like sticky velcro tape.

00:10:36 ◼   ► I do like the feeling that it makes me feel like a Bond villain when I turn my computer on.

00:10:41 ◼   ► And I needed to charge it for the first time a couple of days ago.

00:10:44 ◼   ► But it was totally fine because the yellow braided cable reaches perfectly

00:10:48 ◼   ► from the power outlet that I've got on my desk with a USB, like a plug adapter,

00:10:55 ◼   ► just to charge it because I have the lightning port is facing towards me.

00:10:59 ◼   ► So I could just plug it in. Perfect.

00:11:01 ◼   ► I'm happy that it's worked out for you.

00:11:03 ◼   ► - I'm very happy with this solution.

00:11:04 ◼   ► I would still though like them to just make

00:11:07 ◼   ► a wireless touch ID button, just a button, and that's it.

00:11:10 ◼   ► Be a really great fidget toy.

00:11:13 ◼   ► - It could be really cool too.

00:11:14 ◼   ► Like it'd have like a top you have to flip up,

00:11:17 ◼   ► like in a jet fighter to launch a missile.

00:11:21 ◼   ► - Surely one of these like super smart hacker people

00:11:23 ◼   ► could like make one of those.

00:11:25 ◼   ► - It's in the secure enclave, baby.

00:11:27 ◼   ► - Nah, but you know like the people that like

00:11:28 ◼   ► they take apart a PlayStation and put it inside

00:11:31 ◼   ► like a matchbox or whatever, right?

00:11:33 ◼   ► Like--

00:11:34 ◼   ► - I haven't seen that YouTube video.

00:11:35 ◼   ► (laughing)

00:11:36 ◼   ► - I feel like someone should be able to do this.

00:11:40 ◼   ► - I want to point people to upgrade episode 365.

00:11:45 ◼   ► You really could have done something clever

00:11:46 ◼   ► with the Summer of Fun in 365, I thought, but--

00:11:49 ◼   ► - Do you really think, was it the week for fun?

00:11:51 ◼   ► - No, because you talked about Apple

00:11:53 ◼   ► and the child safety stuff.

00:11:56 ◼   ► - Mm-hmm, yep.

00:11:58 ◼   ► - You guys did a really good job with it.

00:11:59 ◼   ► I listened to the segment, part of it live

00:12:01 ◼   ► and the part of it later, and you and Jason

00:12:05 ◼   ► basically said anything that I would want to say,

00:12:07 ◼   ► so it's actually not gonna be in this episode of Connected.

00:12:10 ◼   ► I just wanna point people there.

00:12:11 ◼   ► I think, I mean, if I had been on that episode,

00:12:14 ◼   ► I would've been in agreement with how you'll handle it,

00:12:15 ◼   ► how you spoke about it.

00:12:16 ◼   ► It's very complicated.

00:12:17 ◼   ► It's okay that there's nuance in it.

00:12:19 ◼   ► And if you haven't kept up with this,

00:12:23 ◼   ► it's a very, it's just very complicated.

00:12:25 ◼   ► And I think y'all did a good job

00:12:27 ◼   ► sort of untangling it for people.

00:12:29 ◼   ► I didn't want to talk about it again today.

00:12:31 ◼   ► - Yeah, it's just, it's heavy and complicated and--

00:12:35 ◼   ► - Well I know as well, like if we did it,

00:12:37 ◼   ► I'm just gonna do another 45 hours where I'm screaming

00:12:39 ◼   ► and then I'm gonna be tired again.

00:12:41 ◼   ► And I've already done that, so people can go check it out.

00:12:44 ◼   ► And as you say, like, it's incredibly complicated.

00:12:48 ◼   ► There's so many points of view.

00:12:50 ◼   ► I don't really think there's anything else

00:12:51 ◼   ► we could add to it today, particularly.

00:12:54 ◼   ► You know, I was thinking about this,

00:12:55 ◼   ► like I don't really feel like it's a thing

00:12:57 ◼   ► that's going to change.

00:12:58 ◼   ► Like it just is what it is and you can now have your opinion on it.

00:13:01 ◼   ► And that's, I think that's kind of going to be the end of it for now.

00:13:05 ◼   ► I think that's fair. One last thing. It's not really follow up.

00:13:09 ◼   ► It's not really follow out. It's kind of just in between. Uh,

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00:13:24 ◼   ► That's a good segue. I didn't know how to get from CCAM to this.

00:13:27 ◼   ► So good job.

00:13:28 ◼   ► - Yeah, there isn't, you just got to embrace it.

00:13:31 ◼   ► Just be like, all right, the next thing is this.

00:13:34 ◼   ► - They're really good.

00:13:35 ◼   ► You want to hear mine on the desk?

00:13:36 ◼   ► - Yep.

00:13:37 ◼   ► - Very good.

00:13:38 ◼   ► - That sounded like it really went for it.

00:13:41 ◼   ► You're gonna need a new desk on top of this.

00:13:44 ◼   ► - I'm very strong.

00:13:45 ◼   ► - I could probably do a couple more actually.

00:13:46 ◼   ► Maybe I'll buy some.

00:13:48 ◼   ► They're on sale.

00:13:49 ◼   ► Now's the time.

00:13:52 ◼   ► I have a thing I would like to bring

00:13:57 ◼   ► to the former Mac genius, Stephen Hackett.

00:14:00 ◼   ► I'm running into some problems with my MacBook Pro,

00:14:02 ◼   ► my M1 MacBook Pro, where multiple times a day

00:14:06 ◼   ► I get a box that pops up that says,

00:14:08 ◼   ► "Your system has run out of application memory."

00:14:11 ◼   ► - Just open it up and put more RAM in it.

00:14:12 ◼   ► - Yeah, exactly, and then it suggests

00:14:14 ◼   ► that I start force quitting applications,

00:14:16 ◼   ► and I'm finding this to be very frustrating.

00:14:18 ◼   ► It was doing it to me constantly today.

00:14:20 ◼   ► I had them restart my computer,

00:14:21 ◼   ► and it's like, "Maybe this will help."

00:14:23 ◼   ► I don't really know what to do about this.

00:14:25 ◼   ► I feel like there's nothing I can do about it.

00:14:27 ◼   ► It's not like I have applications open that I don't use.

00:14:31 ◼   ► The apps that I have open,

00:14:32 ◼   ► they're things that I use multiple times a day, every day,

00:14:36 ◼   ► and I don't wanna just be quitting apps.

00:14:38 ◼   ► So I think for me personally, I have answered the question.

00:14:42 ◼   ► Remember we had that question,

00:14:43 ◼   ► is 16 gigabytes of RAM enough on an M1 MacBook Pro?

00:14:46 ◼   ► I'll tell you, the answer's no,

00:14:47 ◼   ► because that's what I have in it,

00:14:49 ◼   ► and constantly I'm getting this.

00:14:51 ◼   ► But it's weird to me because I never get out my iMac.

00:14:55 ◼   ► - So I did some homework on this

00:14:57 ◼   ► because it's also come up a good bit in the MPU forms.

00:15:01 ◼   ► - Right.

00:15:02 ◼   ► - It definitely seems more likely to happen

00:15:04 ◼   ► to people with eight gigabytes of memory

00:15:05 ◼   ► as you would imagine.

00:15:07 ◼   ► And it seems like some people don't have this problem at all

00:15:11 ◼   ► or you have it all the time.

00:15:13 ◼   ► And there's nothing in between for whatever reason.

00:15:16 ◼   ► - Interesting.

00:15:16 ◼   ► I've been having it very frequently recently.

00:15:19 ◼   ► - But only on one of your systems, right?

00:15:21 ◼   ► And I've never had it on my M1.

00:15:24 ◼   ► I don't think Mary's ever had it on hers.

00:15:26 ◼   ► And if you do some Googling around,

00:15:29 ◼   ► this has actually been a problem

00:15:31 ◼   ► that some people have reported since like 2017.

00:15:34 ◼   ► So while it may be worse on the M1 Max, it's not--

00:15:39 ◼   ► - It's not exclusive to--

00:15:41 ◼   ► - Yes, that's what we're looking for,

00:15:42 ◼   ► not exclusive to them.

00:15:43 ◼   ► So I was like, well, did they change something

00:15:45 ◼   ► about the way paging works and not that I can find?

00:15:48 ◼   ► So I really don't have a good answer for you.

00:15:50 ◼   ► At least that I've seen,

00:15:51 ◼   ► Apple doesn't seem to have an answer for this either.

00:15:53 ◼   ► Are you good on free space storage wise?

00:15:57 ◼   ► - I don't know off the top of my head.

00:15:59 ◼   ► - Like maybe it's trying to page out

00:16:01 ◼   ► and you don't have any free SSD space?

00:16:03 ◼   ► - I'll go check that during the next outbreak

00:16:06 ◼   ► and I'll tell you how much space I have on the SSD.

00:16:08 ◼   ► Like that, I guess that could maybe make sense, right?

00:16:10 ◼   ► That it hasn't got enough to do.

00:16:11 ◼   ► Is it swaps?

00:16:12 ◼   ► Is that what it's called?

00:16:13 ◼   ► Yeah, maybe that's it.

00:16:14 ◼   ► I mean, I can't imagine.

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00:16:19 ◼   ► can just get away from you, right?

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00:17:41 ◼   ► - I have 600 gigabytes of free space available,

00:17:46 ◼   ► so I don't think that's the issue.

00:17:47 ◼   ► And currently right now I have 16 gigabytes of memory, 12 gigabytes being used, 3.8 gigabytes

00:17:53 ◼   ► of cache files, and 130 megabytes of swap.

00:17:56 ◼   ► None of that sounds bananas to me, I don't think.

00:17:59 ◼   ► Who knows, maybe like a restart helps every now and then.

00:18:02 ◼   ► Maybe.

00:18:03 ◼   ► I don't know.

00:18:04 ◼   ► Because I was noticing some things were like, you know like Dropbox was like a gigabyte.

00:18:07 ◼   ► It's like that seems like too much.

00:18:10 ◼   ► And right now it's a 420, so blaze it.

00:18:14 ◼   ► Safari is a big culprit for me, I think.

00:18:17 ◼   ► not as bad as, not as bad as Chrome. Well, because the thing I, the main, the main, like

00:18:23 ◼   ► if I look at an activity monitor, for Safari it's Google Docs and Google Drive seem to

00:18:28 ◼   ► be the bigger culprits. I bet that would actually be better in Chrome. So, up next let's talk

00:18:33 ◼   ► about iOS 15 Beta 5. No Safari changes. There are a couple like super minor things. I will

00:18:42 ◼   ► give a little pro tip here if use your phone in dark mode and you don't like

00:18:48 ◼   ► the tab bar bouncing between dark and light you can turn off the setting to

00:18:53 ◼   ► use the blur on the bottom tab it's in the Safari settings and that helps it

00:18:59 ◼   ► stay matching to the dark mode you set your phone in but yeah no it's still

00:19:04 ◼   ► Safari 15 it's still bad it's still mostly terribly unusable I mean they

00:19:11 ◼   ► I made some tweaks to the iPad, mostly visual ones.

00:19:14 ◼   ► It cleaned that up a little bit, the tabs in my opinion.

00:19:17 ◼   ► I mean, I'm getting used to it,

00:19:19 ◼   ► but they put a new little outline around the address bar.

00:19:22 ◼   ► I don't really know why. - Fixed.

00:19:24 ◼   ► - I think they're gonna ship it.

00:19:28 ◼   ► - Yeah, my thought is if we get to beta six

00:19:30 ◼   ► and this is still how it is, then this is what it is.

00:19:33 ◼   ► - I don't think it's gonna,

00:19:34 ◼   ► I think they'll make some tweaks,

00:19:37 ◼   ► continue to make tweaks like they have been

00:19:38 ◼   ► to what we've got.

00:19:40 ◼   ► but I don't think they're going to revert it.

00:19:44 ◼   ► I just asked just where I will put my money on this

00:19:47 ◼   ► right now, I think that's what they're gonna,

00:19:50 ◼   ► I think that's what they're gonna go with.

00:19:52 ◼   ► - I can't wait for like the public to discover this design.

00:19:55 ◼   ► It's gonna be great.

00:19:57 ◼   ► It's not gonna be great.

00:19:59 ◼   ► There's some new weather stuff too, new weather icon.

00:20:02 ◼   ► And something that I've noticed basically immediately

00:20:05 ◼   ► is that a lot of apps now have those splash screens,

00:20:09 ◼   ► lot of Apple apps where they tell you this is what this app does in terms of

00:20:13 ◼   ► privacy or this is new features in this app. The biggest one I think is reminders

00:20:18 ◼   ► that has like you have to like scroll not that you can tell because it's not a

00:20:23 ◼   ► scroll bar but directions on how smart lists work. Yeah there's a lot of it.

00:20:28 ◼   ► There's a lot of text on that one like really going into detail it's like a

00:20:32 ◼   ► manual but I'm not complaining like it I like the way that this page is designed

00:20:38 ◼   ► We'll put a link in the show notes to a tweet that has it from @talkaboutdesign.

00:20:45 ◼   ► And I think it's good.

00:20:47 ◼   ► If it's a complicated feature, people might want to know about it, and this seems to go

00:20:52 ◼   ► into detail about how it works.

00:20:54 ◼   ► So go for it, I guess.

00:20:56 ◼   ► They've also tweaked the shortcuts "allow," "always allow" in that business.

00:21:04 ◼   ► It seems to be a little bit better for me, but I haven't spent a ton of time on my phone

00:21:09 ◼   ► since yesterday.

00:21:10 ◼   ► So it seems like so this is Alan Miller on Twitter was posting about this that one they

00:21:16 ◼   ► were showing a bunch of like sample data in the privacy alert, but then also allow once

00:21:23 ◼   ► allow always allow don't allow things what we have before I was just wondering like if

00:21:28 ◼   ► they're tweaking that kind of stuff.

00:21:29 ◼   ► Maybe they will have fixed what was very clearly a bug that you two were talking about last

00:21:34 ◼   ► week, you know, in that it seems to just randomly continue to give you the alert.

00:21:40 ◼   ► This is actually not a bug I have. Oh man. With the shortcuts that I use on my

00:21:46 ◼   ► iPad, I never get like re-asked to do the always allowing thing and I am

00:21:52 ◼   ► doing some stuff like I'm, you know, I'm like uploading one to Dropbox or

00:21:55 ◼   ► whatever so like I have like a receipt thing so I would see that like, you know,

00:22:01 ◼   ► because it's one of the things where I have to do the allow, but no it doesn't happen.

00:22:05 ◼   ► I'd rather have to hit always allow more than one time than have my computer being out of application memory.

00:22:11 ◼   ► [laughs]

00:22:13 ◼   ► Which isn't even really a thing.

00:22:14 ◼   ► Yeah, well I guess that's the great thing about the iPad compared to the Mac.

00:22:18 ◼   ► Didn't you switch back to the Mac?

00:22:20 ◼   ► Yeah, well now maybe I'll go back again.

00:22:22 ◼   ► I was getting very frustrated when that thing was happening to me,

00:22:25 ◼   ► because it was kind of like, "iOS deals with this, just deal with it.

00:22:29 ◼   ► Why are you telling me to force quit things?

00:22:31 ◼   ► Just deal with it.

00:22:32 ◼   ► I was that's how I was getting frustrated about it today.

00:22:35 ◼   ► It was annoying me.

00:22:36 ◼   ► It's like I don't feel like the computer should be asking me

00:22:39 ◼   ► to force quit applications like the computer can just handle it.

00:22:42 ◼   ► Suspend an app like, you know what I'm doing.

00:22:45 ◼   ► Just suspend the application like it's fine.

00:22:48 ◼   ► No, make me force quit instead.

00:22:51 ◼   ► And there are new icons in shortcuts like for you to add to a shortcut.

00:22:57 ◼   ► and it seems like there's a selection of new ones.

00:22:59 ◼   ► I still just want to be able to have like

00:23:01 ◼   ► either all of SF symbols or just emoji, you know?

00:23:04 ◼   ► Same thing I wanted forever.

00:23:05 ◼   ► - Yeah, and you can do that in reminders.

00:23:07 ◼   ► You can have a list and just put an emoji in front of it,

00:23:11 ◼   ► but oh no, if it's on, if it's in shortcuts,

00:23:15 ◼   ► you can't do it.

00:23:15 ◼   ► That's the sort of thing that just would be standardized

00:23:17 ◼   ► across Apple apps.

00:23:18 ◼   ► Mark Gurman's back.

00:23:20 ◼   ► - I feel like you always say that, like he goes away.

00:23:22 ◼   ► - He does, he goes out into the wilderness

00:23:25 ◼   ► and he gathers up Apple rumors in his little basket

00:23:28 ◼   ► and then he comes back and dumps them out on the table.

00:23:30 ◼   ► And he's come back with a bunch of stuff

00:23:32 ◼   ► about the iPhone 13, which is pretty interesting.

00:23:36 ◼   ► Do we wanna start with the camera rumors?

00:23:38 ◼   ► - Yeah, tell me all about it.

00:23:39 ◼   ► - So, Germin reports that a video version

00:23:44 ◼   ► of portrait mode will be coming.

00:23:47 ◼   ► My guess is probably just to the Pro phones.

00:23:51 ◼   ► I think he sort of talks about that a little bit later on

00:23:54 ◼   ► that, hey, a lot of this camera stuff

00:23:55 ◼   ► may just be for the pro phones.

00:23:57 ◼   ► But basically it would be portrait mode for video.

00:24:00 ◼   ► Internally it's dubbed cinematic video,

00:24:02 ◼   ► which I could totally see Apple just calling it that.

00:24:05 ◼   ► 'Cause everything has to have a proper name

00:24:08 ◼   ► if you're a feature written by an Apple engineer.

00:24:10 ◼   ► This will be paired with the ability to record video

00:24:13 ◼   ► in a higher quality format called ProRes.

00:24:17 ◼   ► This is Apple's lossy video compression format.

00:24:20 ◼   ► It supports up to 8K.

00:24:21 ◼   ► It's been around a long time.

00:24:23 ◼   ► A lot of cameras shoot natively in ProRes,

00:24:26 ◼   ► and Final Cut you can render into ProRes

00:24:29 ◼   ► and then use the afterburner card if you have a Mac Pro.

00:24:32 ◼   ► And it is sort of thought that this would be

00:24:34 ◼   ► the higher end video codec option

00:24:39 ◼   ► as like a sibling to ProRAW for photos

00:24:41 ◼   ► that they introduced last year.

00:24:43 ◼   ► - Does anybody use the ProRAW?

00:24:45 ◼   ► I mean, I'm sure some people do.

00:24:46 ◼   ► - I don't.

00:24:47 ◼   ► - I never feel like I ever hear anything about that.

00:24:50 ◼   ► - Yeah, I don't.

00:24:53 ◼   ► I don't.

00:24:54 ◼   ► Is that bad?

00:24:55 ◼   ► - No, why would it be?

00:24:56 ◼   ► Like I felt like do you consider yourself

00:24:58 ◼   ► a professional photographer?

00:24:59 ◼   ► - I mean, not really.

00:25:01 ◼   ► - Although you did make a calendar.

00:25:02 ◼   ► You know, I make an account.

00:25:03 ◼   ► - I did make a calendar.

00:25:05 ◼   ► I'm pro as heck.

00:25:06 ◼   ► That's what we're saying.

00:25:08 ◼   ► - I just feel like I tried like playing around with halide.

00:25:12 ◼   ► I think I just like raw is just, it's more than I need.

00:25:16 ◼   ► Like it's, I don't really know what I'm doing with it.

00:25:18 ◼   ► And to be honest, it feels like it would add a layer

00:25:21 ◼   ► of complexity that I'm not really looking for?

00:25:25 ◼   ► - Yeah, I feel like if I'm gonna shoot a picture

00:25:28 ◼   ► that I want those options for,

00:25:31 ◼   ► that I would like to think that I may have,

00:25:34 ◼   ► may already have my big camera with me.

00:25:36 ◼   ► It is not something I think like,

00:25:37 ◼   ► oh, I should have, you know, I should shoot raw.

00:25:40 ◼   ► - Do you shoot in raw?

00:25:42 ◼   ► - I do on my Sony, yeah.

00:25:44 ◼   ► - Why?

00:25:44 ◼   ► - So I can do lots of additional editing.

00:25:46 ◼   ► - 'Cause I guess for you,

00:25:49 ◼   ► in the times that you would even consider using RAW on the phone,

00:25:55 ◼   ► you would already have your actual camera.

00:25:57 ◼   ► I think so.

00:25:58 ◼   ► It feels like to do the RAW thing, you are like making the decision in advance,

00:26:04 ◼   ► like I'm going to shoot in RAW now, you know, like that's what I'm going to do.

00:26:08 ◼   ► So I'm sure some people leave it on all the time,

00:26:10 ◼   ► but I would expect most people wouldn't because the file sizes are much larger.

00:26:14 ◼   ► Yeah, I just feel like the pro RAW thing is something that I maybe

00:26:18 ◼   ► was expecting to hear more about. I don't know why. Maybe I kind of conflated it wrong

00:26:24 ◼   ► in my brain where it's like every year when Apple has their like, we're bringing out Phil

00:26:29 ◼   ► Schiller now Greg to Jaws React to talk about the new thing in the camera, right? That it

00:26:34 ◼   ► becomes a big thing, you know, like portrait mode and what was the, what is the one with

00:26:41 ◼   ► the, where it does the sweater thing? You know what I'm talking about?

00:26:44 ◼   ► Uh, deep fusion.

00:26:45 ◼   ► Yeah, and it's like that becomes just like a big part of the camera.

00:26:49 ◼   ► So like maybe I kind of gotten used to like, oh this segment means like this is the thing

00:26:53 ◼   ► that's going to be important to everyone.

00:26:55 ◼   ► But I guess ProRAW is very like, no, it's not for you.

00:27:00 ◼   ► Like it's really like for people that take images professionally on an iPhone.

00:27:09 ◼   ► I guess it's more for that.

00:27:10 ◼   ► I mean it's a fringy thing I think.

00:27:13 ◼   ► So in addition to all that video stuff, there's also going to be a new filter-like system

00:27:18 ◼   ► that improves the look of colors and photos.

00:27:22 ◼   ► And so Germin goes on into more detail saying that instead of just laying one filter across

00:27:28 ◼   ► the entire picture, that Apple is going to use the recognition it already has in the

00:27:33 ◼   ► camera to recognize faces and objects and pets and precisely apply changes to just the

00:27:43 ◼   ► the part of the photos that you would want.

00:27:44 ◼   ► And so instead of having to maybe brighten the whole photo

00:27:47 ◼   ► if someone's in a little bit of shadow,

00:27:48 ◼   ► you could just bring up the skin tones

00:27:50 ◼   ► or just bring up the shadow on their face

00:27:52 ◼   ► and not necessarily the surrounding background

00:27:55 ◼   ► is sort of how I read this.

00:27:56 ◼   ► - I mean, I would really like this for photos.

00:27:58 ◼   ► - Yeah, yeah, absolutely.

00:28:00 ◼   ► - Right, like I would really like this.

00:28:02 ◼   ► Like, you know, when I edit pictures,

00:28:04 ◼   ► like sometimes I want to make adjustments to the color

00:28:08 ◼   ► but without changing the skin tones.

00:28:11 ◼   ► And so like, you know, like I want to change like the color of the sky or the color of like,

00:28:16 ◼   ► you know, the background behind or even the color of the clothing, but I don't want to make like my

00:28:22 ◼   ► wife's face like be red, you know. So then I have to like pull back on what I'm looking for. But so

00:28:30 ◼   ► that would be super interesting if I could do that. One thing I was thinking about too is like

00:28:34 ◼   ► if they could create some stuff that could be used like you've probably seen, I know that neither

00:28:39 ◼   ► than me or you do the TikTok.

00:28:42 ◼   ► But I'm sure you've seen like TikTok videos that are made

00:28:45 ◼   ► where like you basically have a green screen effect

00:28:47 ◼   ► kind of behind you and people put like things behind them.

00:28:50 ◼   ► I was thinking Apple could try and do something like that

00:28:52 ◼   ► if they wanted to maybe, could be interesting.

00:28:54 ◼   ► Like bake that into the iPhone

00:28:56 ◼   ► and make that like a part of it.

00:28:57 ◼   ► Like you could say like, well, just this is the person,

00:29:01 ◼   ► everything that's behind the person replace of this.

00:29:04 ◼   ► - Sounds like a clips feature, honestly.

00:29:06 ◼   ► Like put it in there.

00:29:07 ◼   ► - I mean, for all I know,

00:29:09 ◼   ► Steven Clips already does this, but I--

00:29:11 ◼   ► - Yeah, I don't have it installed.

00:29:13 ◼   ► Yeah, and I think he's not clear on this,

00:29:17 ◼   ► but my assumption would be this filtering

00:29:19 ◼   ► would be in the photos app, not the camera app.

00:29:22 ◼   ► But you know, for a while they had filters

00:29:25 ◼   ► in the camera app.

00:29:25 ◼   ► Do you remember that?

00:29:26 ◼   ► And then they ditched them.

00:29:28 ◼   ► But for a while you could like, yeah, in like iOS--

00:29:32 ◼   ► - No, they ditched them.

00:29:33 ◼   ► - Yeah, they're gone, I think.

00:29:35 ◼   ► - No, they're there.

00:29:36 ◼   ► - Are they camera?

00:29:37 ◼   ► yeah, you got to do that swipe up thing where you get the additional settings

00:29:41 ◼   ► and there's a like a little three ring in the world of laying each other and

00:29:47 ◼   ► then you can go in and you can get filters. I honestly, I would expect if

00:29:51 ◼   ► they're going to do this, they would do it live to live because that's apples

00:29:57 ◼   ► whole thing right like you go swipe up, so you get like the additional settings

00:30:01 ◼   ► and then you can go to vivid one looks like I would imagine like so for me

00:30:06 ◼   ► like for me, the idea of having a filter that is applied afterwards, that feels like a Samsung

00:30:12 ◼   ► thing, right? It's just like, we'll just do this, it's gonna work, it's gonna be great.

00:30:16 ◼   ► Apple's whole bag is like, look how good our technology and chips are and stuff, like they

00:30:21 ◼   ► go the extra mile sometimes unnecessarily. But then if you take it in the camera, then

00:30:25 ◼   ► it's in the image and in photos you can undo things. Maybe it's both places. I mean, those

00:30:30 ◼   ► same, vivid, cool, whatever are also in the photos editing screen, so maybe it just lives

00:30:35 ◼   ► where those things live. If that was the case though I feel like that they would

00:30:38 ◼   ► they should change that like the idea like if you take it with the filter on

00:30:41 ◼   ► then it's gonna be like I feel like they should save the image and in the

00:30:44 ◼   ► metadata right that will let's see you're gonna try it now I'm gonna take a

00:30:48 ◼   ► dramatic warm photo so it looks like it's Instagram in 2012 they are so like

00:30:54 ◼   ► all of Apple's filters like I hope that they get that the plan is to redo all of

00:30:58 ◼   ► these because it is very like hipstamatic you know like they're not

00:31:03 ◼   ► very good because plus anyway like color filters they're just not a thing that

00:31:07 ◼   ► people do anymore so I would be intrigued what this would look like.

00:31:10 ◼   ► I went to go edit it and it had the dramatic warm filter applied to it in

00:31:14 ◼   ► the photos edit screen so I can just change it back to original and it's

00:31:18 ◼   ► there. So yeah that's very good then and they don't they don't bake that in.

00:31:21 ◼   ► Mark Gurman also he also just confirmed a bunch of stuff from previous reports

00:31:27 ◼   ► that they're gonna have the 5.4 and 6.1 inch phones and the 6.7 inch

00:31:33 ◼   ► phone so mini, two regular sizes and a max, smaller notch, new screen technology, faster

00:31:39 ◼   ► refresh rate and faster A15 system on a chip. So all the kind of stuff that we're going

00:31:46 ◼   ► through. I mentioned this to Jason the other day, I see if it makes you feel the same as

00:31:51 ◼   ► it made him feel. So I got a little chip in the rail of my phone, just like a very tiny

00:32:00 ◼   ► It's just enough that I feel it every now and then but say hey, but I think I've done pretty well to be honest

00:32:05 ◼   ► I've had no case in this phone the entire time. So honestly, I've never damaged a phone. So I don't really I can't relate to this

00:32:10 ◼   ► Yeah, you couldn't you couldn't sympathize at all

00:32:13 ◼   ► You couldn't sympathize at all with a very lightly damaged phone that doesn't all impact the usage of it

00:32:20 ◼   ► If I break a phone I go all the way baby. And when I did it I kind of was like, oh, that's fine

00:32:25 ◼   ► I'll probably have a new one in like six weeks

00:32:29 ◼   ► That's very soon, isn't it?

00:32:31 ◼   ► Yeah, how is that possible?

00:32:33 ◼   ► Isn't it?

00:32:34 ◼   ► I don't, I don't like it.

00:32:35 ◼   ► Isn't that wild? It's not far at all.

00:32:39 ◼   ► No, there's a lot of things coming up at us on our calendar very quickly.

00:32:42 ◼   ► I mean, the end of the year is like here, man.

00:32:44 ◼   ► Yeah, yeah, it hit me harder in also understanding what's happening in about that length of time from now.

00:32:51 ◼   ► We'll hear about it next time.

00:32:52 ◼   ► Yep, of course they could delay the phones or whatever, but I mean,

00:32:57 ◼   ► I mean, but my personal thought is it's gonna be a September announcement and who knows

00:33:03 ◼   ► and they, you know, like from the owners report they were saying they'll be constrained.

00:33:06 ◼   ► I imagine that it's, you know, it's gonna be hard to get them for a bit, I guess.

00:33:10 ◼   ► I just have no gauge of like, will they come out in September? Will they come out in October?

00:33:15 ◼   ► Like maybe the, I mean, they've been all over the place the last few years. I mean, even

00:33:19 ◼   ► going back to like the 8 and 10, remember the 8 came out and the 10 was later and they

00:33:23 ◼   ► will be out this fall. That's all I can, that's all I'm willing to say.

00:33:26 ◼   ► - I think it's gonna be September

00:33:27 ◼   ► because they didn't give--

00:33:28 ◼   ► - Think they're just gonna nail it?

00:33:30 ◼   ► - Well, they didn't give an indication

00:33:32 ◼   ► on the last earnings call that they wouldn't start

00:33:35 ◼   ► having sales in September.

00:33:36 ◼   ► - Oh yeah.

00:33:37 ◼   ► - It would be in their best interest to say that.

00:33:39 ◼   ► I think if they thought that wasn't going to happen,

00:33:42 ◼   ► they just said they're going to be supply constrained.

00:33:45 ◼   ► They didn't say it's coming later.

00:33:48 ◼   ► So some will be on sale in September would be my guess.

00:33:51 ◼   ► I don't know when in September.

00:33:53 ◼   ► and then the rest will mostly be on sale through October.

00:33:57 ◼   ► - I'm excited.

00:33:57 ◼   ► You know, in his tweet, he was like,

00:33:59 ◼   ► "This is a minor update."

00:34:00 ◼   ► It's like, this all sounds pretty good to me.

00:34:03 ◼   ► - I think people are, I feel, undervaluing the screen.

00:34:07 ◼   ► - The high refresh rate?

00:34:11 ◼   ► - High refresh rate potentially always on display.

00:34:13 ◼   ► I think that's gonna be a big,

00:34:15 ◼   ► I think that's gonna be a pretty big feature,

00:34:17 ◼   ► but at the moment, because we can't see it or experience it,

00:34:20 ◼   ► and nobody knows what an iPhone would be like

00:34:22 ◼   ► with a 120 hertz refresh rate display.

00:34:26 ◼   ► It's kinda just feels like it's not gonna be a lot,

00:34:28 ◼   ► but I think it's gonna be pretty mega.

00:34:31 ◼   ► I'm super excited about it.

00:34:33 ◼   ► - I'll be too, as long as you can turn it off.

00:34:35 ◼   ► - Yeah, it's gonna suck for you.

00:34:36 ◼   ► - I'll just have to use it.

00:34:37 ◼   ► Oh no, all the Android phones already have it.

00:34:40 ◼   ► Oh no. (laughs)

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00:36:21 ◼   ► Roast my doc, Steven.

00:36:23 ◼   ► Roasted, baby.

00:36:24 ◼   ► I'm gonna roast it.

00:36:25 ◼   ► I'm gonna do yours or mine first.

00:36:29 ◼   ► Let's do yours first.

00:36:30 ◼   ► This is just in the document first.

00:36:31 ◼   ► So people may remember we did Roast My Man Ubar a while ago.

00:36:35 ◼   ► The three of us enjoyed that segment so much that we thought we would actually just make

00:36:38 ◼   ► it like a thing that we'll do every now and again.

00:36:41 ◼   ► And doc was an obvious one.

00:36:44 ◼   ► because Stevens no Stevens here oh my how old am I I'm getting the two of you

00:36:49 ◼   ► mixed up now because Federico's away this week we figured we may as well just

00:36:53 ◼   ► do a Mac one now because you know they've got to give them just the stock

00:36:58 ◼   ► doc with like the books admitted still oh thank goodness I get to I movie so

00:37:02 ◼   ► quickly all right let's talk about doc settings first and then we talk about

00:37:07 ◼   ► what's in the doc how about that yeah you you took it and turned it by adding

00:37:10 ◼   ► this one in there. This is the worst, so this is the second worst system preference pane

00:37:15 ◼   ► at for keyboard, they're both terrible, but my dock is on the right hand side. It is pretty

00:37:23 ◼   ► big it basically takes the whole screen top to bottom and it moves. I was really surprised

00:37:28 ◼   ► about the size indicator of yours because that makes it seem like it would be the biggest

00:37:35 ◼   ► - No, it's not huge.

00:37:37 ◼   ► - The icon's not large?

00:37:38 ◼   ► - The dock isn't even as wide as the clock.

00:37:41 ◼   ► Right now my clock says 1255 p.m.,

00:37:43 ◼   ► the dock isn't even as wide as that.

00:37:45 ◼   ► - I guess for you, maybe what Apple considers small and large

00:37:50 ◼   ► is different to magnification, right?

00:37:53 ◼   ► Magnification is size of icons,

00:37:54 ◼   ► small and large is like height or length of the dock,

00:37:59 ◼   ► which is weird.

00:38:00 ◼   ► - And it's variable dependent on the number of things

00:38:02 ◼   ► you have in the dock,

00:38:03 ◼   ► and I tend to have a lot of things in my dock, so.

00:38:05 ◼   ► - Yeah, and you have a massive display, so.

00:38:09 ◼   ► - Magnification is turned off because I'm not an animal.

00:38:12 ◼   ► I noticed on yours, we'll get to this,

00:38:14 ◼   ► but your magnification is set to max,

00:38:16 ◼   ► but then you unchecked it.

00:38:17 ◼   ► It was like, at one point he had it all the way up.

00:38:19 ◼   ► Position on the screen, like I said, is right.

00:38:21 ◼   ► I use the Genie effect to minimize windows.

00:38:24 ◼   ► Double-clicking the windows title bar, minimize,

00:38:25 ◼   ► I think all that stuff is stock.

00:38:27 ◼   ► I animate opening applications.

00:38:31 ◼   ► The dock is always visible.

00:38:33 ◼   ► You show recent applications in the dock.

00:38:37 ◼   ► That is interesting to me.

00:38:39 ◼   ► - Because there's some things like transmit

00:38:42 ◼   ► or forecast or something I may need pretty often,

00:38:45 ◼   ► but not often enough to want them in the dock.

00:38:47 ◼   ► So most of the time they're just hanging out down there.

00:38:50 ◼   ► It's also great if you accidentally quit an application,

00:38:52 ◼   ► you can very quickly get back to it.

00:38:54 ◼   ► - But I do feel like I mostly launch my applications

00:38:58 ◼   ► from Alfred.

00:38:59 ◼   ► - So here's the thing, so do I.

00:39:01 ◼   ► In a way, the dock for me is legacy.

00:39:04 ◼   ► It's a way to see what's running

00:39:06 ◼   ► and I can drag things from Finder

00:39:07 ◼   ► into different applications,

00:39:09 ◼   ► but I very rarely launch things from it, I feel like.

00:39:13 ◼   ► I really tried to pay attention to that this past week

00:39:15 ◼   ► 'cause I knew this was coming.

00:39:16 ◼   ► And...

00:39:17 ◼   ► - Yeah, I feel like I'm pretty mixed.

00:39:19 ◼   ► I know I do it, but it's nowhere near as often.

00:39:21 ◼   ► - Yeah.

00:39:22 ◼   ► And I keep my dock fully visible.

00:39:23 ◼   ► I think I said that, but I don't have it hide

00:39:25 ◼   ► and then reappear.

00:39:26 ◼   ► That doesn't make any sense to me.

00:39:28 ◼   ► Top to bottom, I guess, 'cause I have it on the side

00:39:31 ◼   ► where it belongs.

00:39:32 ◼   ► Here's the thing about that.

00:39:33 ◼   ► I'm just gonna wander straight into the hottest fire

00:39:37 ◼   ► in the pit of Mac OS fandom hell.

00:39:40 ◼   ► The dock doesn't belong in the bottom

00:39:42 ◼   ► because you have less real estate top to bottom

00:39:45 ◼   ► on your screen.

00:39:46 ◼   ► Put it on the side so you can have more

00:39:49 ◼   ► vertical real estate.

00:39:50 ◼   ► Why would you have it on the bottom?

00:39:52 ◼   ► Why would you do that?

00:39:53 ◼   ► Don't do that.

00:39:54 ◼   ► - Lots of people do.

00:39:55 ◼   ► - Yeah, and it's wrong.

00:39:56 ◼   ► - But I don't know why they do.

00:39:57 ◼   ► - Lots of people smoke.

00:39:58 ◼   ► They shouldn't smoke, you know?

00:40:01 ◼   ► That's what I'm comparing this to.

00:40:02 ◼   ► Okay, top to bottom.

00:40:03 ◼   ► - That's odd.

00:40:05 ◼   ► That's an odd, like a really odd comparison.

00:40:08 ◼   ► - I was gonna say a lot of people think

00:40:10 ◼   ► you shouldn't get the vaccine,

00:40:11 ◼   ► but I didn't wanna go into that,

00:40:12 ◼   ► so I said smoking is terrible.

00:40:13 ◼   ► (laughing)

00:40:15 ◼   ► - Well, those people are straight wrong, so.

00:40:17 ◼   ► - Finder, obviously, it's always the first one.

00:40:20 ◼   ► And then messages, mail.

00:40:23 ◼   ► And then the first third party app is Todoist.

00:40:27 ◼   ► - Okay, so I already have a question for you, right?

00:40:30 ◼   ► - Why do you put messages and mail together?

00:40:33 ◼   ► - I tend to try to group my things kind of loosely.

00:40:37 ◼   ► So like mail and messages is kind of communication.

00:40:41 ◼   ► - This is the path I was trying to walk you down because--

00:40:45 ◼   ► - But it's different than Slack and Discord

00:40:47 ◼   ► and that's a different type of communication.

00:40:49 ◼   ► (laughing)

00:40:51 ◼   ► - In what way?

00:40:52 ◼   ► - I'm not saying there's-- - In what way are they different?

00:40:52 ◼   ► - This is where things have landed over the years

00:40:55 ◼   ► and where now I just am used to things being, right?

00:40:58 ◼   ► - If I arranged it in a way that would make sense

00:41:00 ◼   ► based on category, I would never find anything in my doc.

00:41:03 ◼   ► - Yep, yep.

00:41:05 ◼   ► - Next I have Safari and Slack, Discord and Twitter.

00:41:10 ◼   ► Discord and Twitter, by the way,

00:41:11 ◼   ► no, we're not talking about this today,

00:41:12 ◼   ► they live in their own space, just them.

00:41:16 ◼   ► It's kind of like my social space.

00:41:18 ◼   ► And then I have Calendar,

00:41:20 ◼   ► Craft, which is my note-taking application.

00:41:24 ◼   ► Everything's in Craft now, I've just given up on Apple Notes

00:41:27 ◼   ► except one shared folder with my spouse.

00:41:30 ◼   ► Reader for RSS reading.

00:41:33 ◼   ► - Wait, let's stop on that.

00:41:35 ◼   ► So you have everything in craft.

00:41:39 ◼   ► What does that mean?

00:41:41 ◼   ► Like what is everything?

00:41:42 ◼   ► Tell me the type of stuff that goes in craft.

00:41:43 ◼   ► - Let me just read you my folder names, how about that?

00:41:45 ◼   ► - Then tell me all the names of all of your books.

00:41:48 ◼   ► - Five 12 pixels.

00:41:50 ◼   ► Book highlights is where I export highlights out of Kindle

00:41:54 ◼   ► and save them.

00:41:56 ◼   ► Checklists, events and travel,

00:41:58 ◼   ► that one, the only thing in there is my TSA pre-check number

00:42:01 ◼   ► the rest of that folder is empty.

00:42:02 ◼   ► - Nice, nice, nice, nice.

00:42:04 ◼   ► - Freelance, home, which is like house and car stuff,

00:42:08 ◼   ► HTM, so Hack and Technical Media,

00:42:12 ◼   ► my company apart from Relay, manuals.

00:42:16 ◼   ► So if I need to look up,

00:42:17 ◼   ► how do I do this on my MixPre-6?

00:42:20 ◼   ► I have a PDF just right there.

00:42:24 ◼   ► OBS, which is My Brother's Nonprofit.

00:42:26 ◼   ► I'm on the board, so I have some things there.

00:42:28 ◼   ► Podcastathon, podcastathon things go in there.

00:42:33 ◼   ► Podcasts, so links that I'm saving for future ones.

00:42:39 ◼   ► I have a list of all the dating questions

00:42:41 ◼   ► I've ever asked Federico, my--

00:42:44 ◼   ► - So tell me the notes that are in there.

00:42:47 ◼   ► What's in the podcast, do you have,

00:42:52 ◼   ► for example, I have a note for Connected

00:42:54 ◼   ► where I save links and stuff like that.

00:42:55 ◼   ► - Yes, so I have one called connected links,

00:42:57 ◼   ► lift off links, MPU feedback.

00:42:59 ◼   ► - And how do you save stuff to those?

00:43:01 ◼   ► - Through the extension, if it's a URL

00:43:05 ◼   ► or a tweet or something, and if it's just text

00:43:07 ◼   ► in an email, I'll just copy and paste it into its own block.

00:43:10 ◼   ► And there's also some random things,

00:43:12 ◼   ► like sometimes Audition just resets all of its settings,

00:43:15 ◼   ► and I can't remember how I set my loudness settings,

00:43:17 ◼   ► and so I have a screenshot of that now.

00:43:20 ◼   ► You know, sort of like podcasty things.

00:43:24 ◼   ► Relay FM, which is just things that I keep

00:43:26 ◼   ► not in Google Docs that we don't necessarily need together,

00:43:29 ◼   ► but some things that I just need access to.

00:43:31 ◼   ► And then I have one for yearly themes,

00:43:32 ◼   ► which has my notes for 19, 20, and 21,

00:43:35 ◼   ► related to that. - That's my idea.

00:43:37 ◼   ► - So it's work and personal kind of mixed in together

00:43:39 ◼   ► in those broad folders.

00:43:41 ◼   ► - And you are like, I think you take notes like me, right?

00:43:46 ◼   ► Like you have a note which is like a topic

00:43:49 ◼   ► and then a bunch of stuff goes in each individual note.

00:43:51 ◼   ► - Yes, yeah. - You know, one of these

00:43:53 ◼   ► weird obsidian people, where it's like every possible thought gets its own note and then

00:43:58 ◼   ► it all interconnects with a mesh network.

00:44:01 ◼   ► No, I don't need that in any way.

00:44:03 ◼   ► I fail to still understand how any people think that way, but you know, we're all different.

00:44:08 ◼   ► It's the Zettelkasten method.

00:44:10 ◼   ► Yeah, I also have, not in craft, I need to put it in here, I have scanned PDFs because

00:44:14 ◼   ► I carry a paper notebook, a Field Notes notebook with me everywhere, and then I scan those

00:44:18 ◼   ► when I fill them up and I have all those as PDFs and I want to put them in craft, I just

00:44:22 ◼   ► haven't yet. I feel like Notes would be better for those though because it can do the scanning

00:44:27 ◼   ► in the OCR, right? Oh yeah, I need to see if it works with my handwriting. I should

00:44:32 ◼   ► look at that. Because right now they're just in a PDF on Dropbox. I mean I've been pretty

00:44:35 ◼   ► surprised with live text, like it does a pretty good job, so I wouldn't be surprised. So I

00:44:42 ◼   ► mentioned Reader, I got Good Links which is kind of like Instapaper but it's a native

00:44:47 ◼   ► app like I said there's a website John Voorhees turned me on to that I really

00:44:51 ◼   ► like it Devin think which is where I keep all of my Apple history and then

00:44:57 ◼   ► really tech history library is like 20 almost 25,000 items in their individual

00:45:03 ◼   ► items that is a fun place to go after that I've got day one I got several

00:45:11 ◼   ► journals in day one so you need the name those teams I keep a dream journal

00:45:16 ◼   ► Can you give a dramatic reading of today's dream, please?

00:45:20 ◼   ► Yes.

00:45:20 ◼   ► Connect with the audience?

00:45:21 ◼   ► Yeah, let me open day one. Let's see.

00:45:23 ◼   ► Dreams.

00:45:25 ◼   ► Title is "Head and Shoulders." I wrote this at 6.35 a.m.

00:45:29 ◼   ► I had a dream that I was watching/making/in a movie.

00:45:35 ◼   ► I seemed throughout the--

00:45:37 ◼   ► Wait, wait, wait.

00:45:38 ◼   ► Watching/making?

00:45:41 ◼   ► I think within the dream, my role in the movie changed.

00:45:44 ◼   ► - Oh, wow, that's nasty.

00:45:45 ◼   ► That is quite a view of yourself.

00:45:50 ◼   ► You go from having watched something to now I make it.

00:45:53 ◼   ► - I saw a calendar and I said, "I can make a calendar."

00:45:57 ◼   ► - You're like that, the meme of like,

00:46:00 ◼   ► "I made this, take it, take it."

00:46:03 ◼   ► I made this.

00:46:04 ◼   ► - I made this.

00:46:05 ◼   ► The movie was about a high school football team.

00:46:09 ◼   ► It was graded in sepia tones,

00:46:11 ◼   ► kind of like, "Oh brother, where art thou?"

00:46:13 ◼   ► Remember that had like very particular coloring in that film?

00:46:17 ◼   ► That's what this movie looked like.

00:46:19 ◼   ► The movie was sponsored by Head & Shoulders shampoo and the product integration was the

00:46:27 ◼   ► coach would hand out little sample packets of the shampoo as encouragement to the players

00:46:32 ◼   ► and they would have notes on them.

00:46:33 ◼   ► For example, "Your head and shoulders above their defensive line."

00:46:37 ◼   ► I want to know more about the way that this happens in your life.

00:46:42 ◼   ► I mean, one, I have already read this today, so like, my initial reaction would have been

00:46:46 ◼   ► greater if that was the first time that had come to me, right?

00:46:49 ◼   ► What if I read you one that you haven't heard before?

00:46:51 ◼   ► Yes!

00:46:52 ◼   ► Okay, let me see.

00:46:54 ◼   ► I gotta find one that's like relevant, like where you know...

00:46:57 ◼   ► Nah, maybe it's better if I don't.

00:46:59 ◼   ► Oh no, I have one about WWDC.

00:47:01 ◼   ► Okay, hold on a minute.

00:47:03 ◼   ► When do you like write these down?

00:47:05 ◼   ► First thing in the morning.

00:47:06 ◼   ► So like, you wake up and just immediately write down?

00:47:09 ◼   ► Do you ever wake up in the middle of the night and do it?

00:47:11 ◼   ► Or do you just like, you wake up--

00:47:12 ◼   ► - I've tried that, but they make even less sense.

00:47:16 ◼   ► - See, I don't, I just don't remember.

00:47:18 ◼   ► I don't dream a lot and I def, I would never know.

00:47:22 ◼   ► So you just went every day?

00:47:24 ◼   ► - No, it's like a handful of months.

00:47:26 ◼   ► - Still a while to remember. - That I remember.

00:47:28 ◼   ► I got one about high school.

00:47:30 ◼   ► But I got one about WWDC.

00:47:33 ◼   ► And just, give me real quick.

00:47:34 ◼   ► - Have I heard this one before though?

00:47:35 ◼   ► - I don't think so.

00:47:36 ◼   ► - Okay.

00:47:37 ◼   ► - Okay, so this was May 14th, so you know,

00:47:39 ◼   ► a month before at WBC. Everyone was back at WBC. Myke and I did not have press access,

00:47:45 ◼   ► but several of our friends were able to talk to Eddie Q into it.

00:47:49 ◼   ► - You have told me this one. You have told me this one, but keep going.

00:47:52 ◼   ► - That conversation took place near the theater across the street from the middle school I attended.

00:47:57 ◼   ► We then went inside and ran into Craig Federighi. He was tense and seemed a little on edge. I asked

00:48:05 ◼   ► him if he still got nervous before keynotes and he said that he did. We then talked a

00:48:09 ◼   ► little bit about sports and he brought out a soccer ball from behind the check-in desk.

00:48:14 ◼   ► He kicked it past me and some other people started playing with it, so Myke, Federico,

00:48:18 ◼   ► John, Marco and I started to go into the venue. I turned around just in time to see someone

00:48:24 ◼   ► drill the ball right into Craig's face with a powerful kick. As he fell to the ground,

00:48:30 ◼   ► someone else returned the kick for him with one that sailed into a large glass panel smashing

00:48:35 ◼   ► it into pieces. At this point, we decided to find seats in the back of the theater and

00:48:39 ◼   ► pretend we had no idea what was going on in the lobby. That didn't last long, as a bloodied

00:48:44 ◼   ► Craig and angry Eddie found us pretty quickly. They took our credentials and told us they'd

00:48:53 ◼   ► make an example out of relay FM on stage in front of the world.

00:48:57 ◼   ► (laughing)

00:48:58 ◼   ► They just delete us from Apple Podcasts.

00:49:01 ◼   ► I remember I had a pre-WWDC dream

00:49:05 ◼   ► where I had to do a dramatic reading from a book on stage.

00:49:09 ◼   ► I didn't want to do it and Tim Cook was mad at me.

00:49:12 ◼   ► That's the as much, mine are nowhere near as good

00:49:15 ◼   ► or detailed as yours,

00:49:16 ◼   ► but I just remember having had that dream.

00:49:19 ◼   ► We are having some real anxiety dreams

00:49:20 ◼   ► with WWDC this year, huh?

00:49:22 ◼   ► - Yeah, I didn't even finish it.

00:49:24 ◼   ► - Oh, is it not done?

00:49:25 ◼   ► There's more? - Yeah.

00:49:25 ◼   ► There's one more paragraph.

00:49:26 ◼   ► - Oh, my apologies.

00:49:28 ◼   ► - As we left, my friends were all mad at me,

00:49:30 ◼   ► thinking the soccer ball thing had been my fault.

00:49:33 ◼   ► I insisted that Craig had produced the ball,

00:49:36 ◼   ► but no one believed me.

00:49:38 ◼   ► We were taunted on the street as we walked out of the venue.

00:49:42 ◼   ► I flew home the next day in shame.

00:49:44 ◼   ► (laughing)

00:49:46 ◼   ► - Didn't even stay around for the live show that year.

00:49:48 ◼   ► - No.

00:49:49 ◼   ► - Guess we've been made an example of at this point.

00:49:51 ◼   ► - I guess so.

00:49:53 ◼   ► So day one, and then Notion.

00:49:56 ◼   ► Notion is here as a reminder, as like a task,

00:50:00 ◼   ► 'cause I have been slowly cataloging my collection in Notion

00:50:03 ◼   ► and I just haven't finished it.

00:50:06 ◼   ► - Why do you wanna do that in Notion?

00:50:08 ◼   ► - So people can like peruse it on the web.

00:50:10 ◼   ► - But Kraft does that.

00:50:11 ◼   ► - Yeah, oh yeah, it does, doesn't it?

00:50:14 ◼   ► I don't think Kraft did it when I started it in Notion.

00:50:16 ◼   ► I should just do it in Kraft.

00:50:18 ◼   ► - Yeah.

00:50:19 ◼   ► - I'm taking Notion out of the dock.

00:50:19 ◼   ► - Well, don't do it until you've taken it out of Notion.

00:50:22 ◼   ► - Well, I didn't get very far.

00:50:24 ◼   ► - Okay.

00:50:25 ◼   ► than photos and music. Mm-hmm. One password. Find my... Find my... Find my... In the dock.

00:50:34 ◼   ► Well sometimes I want to know where like family members are, you know, or what you're

00:50:39 ◼   ► doing. Where are you right now? You're in your office. Can I read the

00:50:43 ◼   ► things right around your office? Absolutely not, no. 100,000% no. Shall I read the

00:50:49 ◼   ► things around your home? No, please don't do that. No, how about that. I do some questions about some of these

00:50:54 ◼   ► places that we can talk about offline though. Yeah you can talk to me about

00:50:57 ◼   ► those in your own time. Yeah. Not on our shared time, thanks. Okay. Yeah I mean I

00:51:04 ◼   ► use Find My too but I don't think I'd ever consider putting it in the in the

00:51:09 ◼   ► dock. So here's the thing, 1Password used to be the bottom of the dock and

00:51:13 ◼   ► everything after that has been added in recent years and so Find My showed up in

00:51:20 ◼   ► there I guess at one point when it showed up on the Mac and then Parcel the

00:51:24 ◼   ► delivery tracking app which I really like and then the three podcast apps

00:51:28 ◼   ► audio hijack zoom and forecast where is your editing app well I always open

00:51:35 ◼   ► logic from finder so I have a bunch of templates I copy the template into a new

00:51:39 ◼   ► folder yeah rename it and then open the template and that opens logic for me so

00:51:43 ◼   ► I don't need it in the doc do you just open logic like just from this icon yeah

00:51:47 ◼   ► sometimes? I mean I do what you do but I also open it sometimes. Yeah I do it

00:51:55 ◼   ► rarely enough that Alfred would be good enough. Like I said there's not a lot of

00:51:58 ◼   ► logic in this unfortunately. Hey-o! Was that a pun? So I think maybe one of the

00:52:04 ◼   ► things that we do differently is I quite frequently have edits that I come back

00:52:09 ◼   ► to like the next day or whatever you know so then if you just open logic it

00:52:14 ◼   ► immediately opens to your last project.

00:52:16 ◼   ► So sometimes that's just the easiest way

00:52:19 ◼   ► for me to get back to what I was doing.

00:52:20 ◼   ► - Now in the recents in my screenshot,

00:52:23 ◼   ► it's logic, transmit the FTP app,

00:52:27 ◼   ► and then Mars Edit, an app that I use

00:52:29 ◼   ► to send blog posts to 512 pixels.

00:52:31 ◼   ► - I'm surprised Mars Edit isn't in the doc as well actually.

00:52:34 ◼   ► - It used to be, I don't know what happened.

00:52:36 ◼   ► I don't know why it got out.

00:52:37 ◼   ► - It's really weird to me that like professionally

00:52:39 ◼   ► you consider yourself, because you are,

00:52:41 ◼   ► I don't mean, consider yourself, professionally,

00:52:45 ◼   ► you think of yourself as a podcaster and a blogger,

00:52:49 ◼   ► but the two tools that you use to produce that work,

00:52:51 ◼   ► you do not keep in the dark.

00:52:53 ◼   ► And I find that fascinating. - All right, I put Mars Edit,

00:52:54 ◼   ► I'm putting Mars Edit.

00:52:56 ◼   ► - I think you should put Logic in it too.

00:52:59 ◼   ► - I'm gonna put Mars Edit between,

00:53:02 ◼   ► between Reader, no, between Good Links and Dev and Think.

00:53:07 ◼   ► And I'm gonna put Logic.

00:53:10 ◼   ► - Logic should be above forecast.

00:53:12 ◼   ► - Logic's the first podcasting app, yeah.

00:53:14 ◼   ► - Oh, wait, so--

00:53:15 ◼   ► - And I'm gonna move Parcel, find my one password

00:53:19 ◼   ► down towards the bottom.

00:53:20 ◼   ► So one password is the bottom again.

00:53:22 ◼   ► - So if you're looking at Steven's image,

00:53:24 ◼   ► ignore that, it's all changed.

00:53:27 ◼   ► - Yeah, well, it's roasted my dock.

00:53:28 ◼   ► We're here to improve ourselves.

00:53:30 ◼   ► - That's true.

00:53:31 ◼   ► - I do use two stacks.

00:53:34 ◼   ► I use Dropbox and I have my downloads folder,

00:53:37 ◼   ► both in the grid, so I don't have like the weird fly out

00:53:42 ◼   ► bendy arm thing.

00:53:43 ◼   ► - That was fun when it was announced.

00:53:46 ◼   ► - Yeah, and then it was super annoying.

00:53:48 ◼   ► And I have a folder in each of them named asterisk.

00:53:52 ◼   ► So it sorts at the top.

00:53:56 ◼   ► And in Dropbox, it's a folder with a little Dropbox icon

00:54:00 ◼   ► on it and it downloads.

00:54:02 ◼   ► - Yeah, Steven does this.

00:54:03 ◼   ► So I share a lot of folders with Steven

00:54:05 ◼   ► and sometimes he just puts an asterisk next to a particular

00:54:08 ◼   ► folder that he wants to talk because alphabetical order

00:54:11 ◼   ► be damned.

00:54:12 ◼   ► - And I have the same thing in downloads.

00:54:15 ◼   ► And so what that does is it means the stack,

00:54:17 ◼   ► it's like a little Dropbox folder and all the folders

00:54:19 ◼   ► file in behind it.

00:54:20 ◼   ► And in downloads, it's the download folder image

00:54:23 ◼   ► with all of these little things poking out behind it.

00:54:25 ◼   ► I like the look.

00:54:26 ◼   ► And it means the stacks don't change.

00:54:28 ◼   ► If I download something new,

00:54:29 ◼   ► the icon doesn't change out of the corner of my eye.

00:54:32 ◼   ► - Okay.

00:54:33 ◼   ► - So that's my doc.

00:54:34 ◼   ► And then of course I have the trashcan

00:54:35 ◼   ► because that's there.

00:54:37 ◼   ► - All right, I feel like we made some definite improvements.

00:54:39 ◼   ► - I think so.

00:54:40 ◼   ► It's hectic and I know a lot of people say

00:54:43 ◼   ► you should hide it and I don't really use it as a launcher,

00:54:46 ◼   ► but it's just kind of part of the Mac now for me,

00:54:48 ◼   ► just over there on the side.

00:54:49 ◼   ► I do use it to glance at notifications,

00:54:51 ◼   ► so like I have six things doing todoists left today.

00:54:54 ◼   ► - Yeah, okay. - So I do use those icons.

00:54:56 ◼   ► - I do that too, yeah.

00:54:59 ◼   ► I probably allow for about as many of those

00:55:01 ◼   ► as I do on my iPhone, you know?

00:55:04 ◼   ► - Yeah, not many.

00:55:05 ◼   ► Not many, mostly messaging applications.

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00:56:38 ◼   ► - So I have been historically bad at keeping my docs

00:56:47 ◼   ► in sync between my desktop and laptop.

00:56:50 ◼   ► - Same, it's so hard.

00:56:52 ◼   ► - Yeah, and I know it's a terrible request, right?

00:56:55 ◼   ► But I would love if there was a way

00:56:58 ◼   ► to just keep this stuff in sync across devices.

00:57:01 ◼   ► But I understand why also,

00:57:04 ◼   ► like, it's not a priority at this feature,

00:57:11 ◼   ► but I would love it.

00:57:13 ◼   ► So today I actually sat down and mirrored the two docs.

00:57:17 ◼   ► So like added and removed some stuff on each device

00:57:21 ◼   ► and then just put them in the right order.

00:57:23 ◼   ► Because it is a thing that annoys me

00:57:25 ◼   ► where like I feel like I go to the doc

00:57:26 ◼   ► and I don't know where anything is.

00:57:27 ◼   ► So now I don't know where anything is on either of them,

00:57:30 ◼   ► but eventually I'll learn this new layout

00:57:32 ◼   ► because they both changed.

00:57:34 ◼   ► But hey, here we are.

00:57:36 ◼   ► - I need to do that because now I've made all these changes.

00:57:39 ◼   ► - Do you wanna, would you like to look at my settings?

00:57:42 ◼   ► - I would, let me open this here.

00:57:44 ◼   ► - I don't feel like mine are that wild.

00:57:46 ◼   ► - Use dark mode on the Mac, which I cannot abide.

00:57:49 ◼   ► - I do use dark mode on the Mac, that's true.

00:57:52 ◼   ► - Magnification was set to max, but then you unchecked it.

00:57:55 ◼   ► Did you, you used to be a magnifier, didn't you?

00:57:58 ◼   ► - No, I don't think so.

00:57:59 ◼   ► Not, not, I mean, there's no way I would have been

00:58:02 ◼   ► a magnifier on any of these devices

00:58:05 ◼   ► that would be carrying these settings forward.

00:58:09 ◼   ► Does that make sense?

00:58:10 ◼   ► - Sure.

00:58:11 ◼   ► - So I don't know why that's on max,

00:58:13 ◼   ► but magnification's off.

00:58:14 ◼   ► You know what, I might have just at some point--

00:58:15 ◼   ► - You should just check that box

00:58:16 ◼   ► and give us your reaction. - Just see what happens.

00:58:18 ◼   ► - Yeah.

00:58:19 ◼   ► - I feel like maybe at some point,

00:58:20 ◼   ► I might have just wanted to see what it was like

00:58:23 ◼   ► and then just left it at that.

00:58:24 ◼   ► Oh my god, this is ridiculous.

00:58:27 ◼   ► Yeah, I feel like I know what's happened here.

00:58:29 ◼   ► One day I was like, what would this look like?

00:58:32 ◼   ► And then hated it.

00:58:33 ◼   ► - Yeah, I just made the size as small as it can be

00:58:35 ◼   ► and turn magnification all the way up

00:58:37 ◼   ► and it's a roller coaster.

00:58:39 ◼   ► - I can imagine that yours again,

00:58:40 ◼   ► with your Pro Display XDR is probably wild.

00:58:43 ◼   ► I bet you can see the pores of your icons.

00:58:44 ◼   ► - You don't have to say the name of the display.

00:58:45 ◼   ► It's just a big display.

00:58:47 ◼   ► - Pro Display XDR, withstand.

00:58:50 ◼   ► - Come on.

00:58:52 ◼   ► At least you don't have the nano texture, do you?

00:58:54 ◼   ► - No.

00:58:55 ◼   ► - No, so you know, you get one point, I suppose.

00:58:57 ◼   ► - I guess so.

00:58:58 ◼   ► You keep your dog visible all the time.

00:59:00 ◼   ► - Yep.

00:59:01 ◼   ► - I think we basically have the same settings.

00:59:03 ◼   ► Oh, you double click, oh, what have you done?

00:59:06 ◼   ► Double click a Windows title bar to zoom.

00:59:08 ◼   ► - I don't ever do this, I don't even know what that does.

00:59:10 ◼   ► What is this?

00:59:11 ◼   ► - Double click the title bar.

00:59:12 ◼   ► That barely exists anymore on Windows.

00:59:14 ◼   ► - It doesn't do anything.

00:59:15 ◼   ► I'm double clicking it and nothing's happening.

00:59:17 ◼   ► - Oh, it's a, yeah, you just set that to minimize.

00:59:20 ◼   ► I miss Windows shade.

00:59:21 ◼   ► You didn't really ever use Mac OS 8 or 9 or whatever,

00:59:24 ◼   ► but window shade was awesome.

00:59:26 ◼   ► Oh, look at your dock.

00:59:27 ◼   ► - All right, hold on, hold on.

00:59:29 ◼   ► We're not done yet.

00:59:30 ◼   ► I don't do the recent applications thing.

00:59:32 ◼   ► - I'm gonna try to live without that.

00:59:35 ◼   ► - I don't, that's not really my thing.

00:59:38 ◼   ► And what was the last part that I was gonna mention?

00:59:42 ◼   ► Oh, I'm a right dock person now.

00:59:44 ◼   ► I've always been a left dock person,

00:59:46 ◼   ► but then when I put my monitor on the left

00:59:48 ◼   ► and my second monitor,

00:59:49 ◼   ► then it put the dock all the way on the left

00:59:50 ◼   ► and I didn't want that, so I changed to become a right dock person.

00:59:54 ◼   ► That's a real limitation in how the dock works.

00:59:56 ◼   ► I don't know why I can't say where I want it to be.

00:59:59 ◼   ► Right.

01:00:00 ◼   ► Yeah, if it's on the bottom, it'll show up on the bottom of any one.

01:00:04 ◼   ► You can do it where it's like in the center, but what you have to do is like tell, okay,

01:00:08 ◼   ► the display on the left is actually way higher, and so like the dock has like a hard thing

01:00:12 ◼   ► to hit against.

01:00:13 ◼   ► It's really bad.

01:00:14 ◼   ► Like they should make it much more...

01:00:16 ◼   ► They have a thing where you can say like this is the primary display and then but that doesn't

01:00:22 ◼   ► actually change anything I don't think.

01:00:25 ◼   ► I don't know what that does.

01:00:27 ◼   ► It used to say that's where the menu bar was but that shows up every way now.

01:00:32 ◼   ► Yeah it's the dock you should be able to pin to the left or right of any display attached.

01:00:38 ◼   ► And I would just like to say because when I mentioned this last time I got some feedback

01:00:41 ◼   ► I don't want to do any of the hacks.

01:00:44 ◼   ► I live with it now.

01:00:45 ◼   ► people tell me like oh you could do this and this and this and this and go into

01:00:48 ◼   ► the terminal and do it I don't want to do any of that for this so I just live

01:00:51 ◼   ► with the dock on the right now I'm used to it it's fine all right so my you want

01:00:57 ◼   ► my list right yes hit me with your best shot finder oh what you don't have find

01:01:06 ◼   ► it on the dock no I do it was more like a finder I feel like finder and then I

01:01:11 ◼   ► - Can I have App Store?

01:01:12 ◼   ► - Why?

01:01:13 ◼   ► - All right, so, I knew you were gonna,

01:01:17 ◼   ► I knew you were gonna do this.

01:01:19 ◼   ► - You're not John Voorhees,

01:01:20 ◼   ► who has like the App Store on like his dock of his phone.

01:01:23 ◼   ► Like what are you doing?

01:01:23 ◼   ► - As soon as I took the screenshot today,

01:01:28 ◼   ► I was like, "God damn it, I know it."

01:01:30 ◼   ► This is one of the standard settings

01:01:34 ◼   ► and I think I kind of just left it.

01:01:37 ◼   ► Like it was just there and I was like,

01:01:40 ◼   ► "Yeah, it's fine, whatever.

01:01:41 ◼   ► Sometimes I need the App Store and I just leave it there."

01:01:43 ◼   ► I appreciate that it is a weird decision.

01:01:48 ◼   ► And I may, and I actually reserved the right--

01:01:50 ◼   ► - It's a few programs today.

01:01:52 ◼   ► - I reserved the right to get rid of it,

01:01:54 ◼   ► but I didn't want to get rid of it

01:01:56 ◼   ► just because I knew you would make fun of me for it.

01:01:58 ◼   ► But it is like, it's a weird one, I think, to have the...

01:02:02 ◼   ► I do like to know when I have updates for apps.

01:02:07 ◼   ► - That is nice. - 'Cause I don't like

01:02:08 ◼   ► to do things automatically.

01:02:10 ◼   ► I don't like automatic app updates.

01:02:12 ◼   ► I hate the thought of opening an app and it's changed,

01:02:15 ◼   ► and I didn't know.

01:02:16 ◼   ► Like, even on iOS, like, I don't have automatic app updates,

01:02:19 ◼   ► and I always, like-- well, most of the time,

01:02:21 ◼   ► I skim the update list, because I kind of just want to know.

01:02:25 ◼   ► There are some apps that I like to kind of keep track of,

01:02:27 ◼   ► like--

01:02:28 ◼   ► like, Kraft, for example.

01:02:30 ◼   ► Like, I always want to know what they're up to,

01:02:31 ◼   ► and I want to know when there's an update,

01:02:32 ◼   ► and I want to read the release notes before I do the update.

01:02:36 ◼   ► - I have automatic app updates turned on on my phone,

01:02:38 ◼   ► but they never work,

01:02:39 ◼   ► so I still have to do them manually all the time.

01:02:41 ◼   ► - Yeah, I have it turned on on my iPad,

01:02:43 ◼   ► like not on my phone,

01:02:44 ◼   ► and it just doesn't work.

01:02:46 ◼   ► It's just sometimes I put my ad in this 71 app updates.

01:02:49 ◼   ► It's like, all right, so you didn't do anything, did you?

01:02:51 ◼   ► - That information is also present under the Apple menu.

01:02:55 ◼   ► If you go to App Store, it'll say three updates

01:02:57 ◼   ► in a little bubble. - Yeah, but I don't spend

01:02:59 ◼   ► a lot of time in the Apple menu.

01:03:01 ◼   ► Although, however-- - Because system preferences

01:03:03 ◼   ► is also in your talk.

01:03:04 ◼   ► - Right now, shush,

01:03:06 ◼   ► Right now, I have in the Apple menu six app updates,

01:03:11 ◼   ► and the App Store icon has nothing on it, so.

01:03:14 ◼   ► - What does the App Store say if you go to the Update tab?

01:03:17 ◼   ► - Six.

01:03:18 ◼   ► (laughing)

01:03:21 ◼   ► But it's not badging.

01:03:22 ◼   ► Did I turn that off?

01:03:24 ◼   ► - Maybe you had the badge off,

01:03:25 ◼   ► which is the whole reason you said

01:03:26 ◼   ► you had it in the dock in the first place.

01:03:27 ◼   ► - On my MacBook Pro, I know the badge is on.

01:03:30 ◼   ► I don't know why I've done that, who knows.

01:03:32 ◼   ► System preferences.

01:03:33 ◼   ► - Yeah.

01:03:35 ◼   ► - To be honest, this is one that I know I click

01:03:37 ◼   ► quite a lot rather than--

01:03:38 ◼   ► - I mean, look, I can't really judge

01:03:40 ◼   ► 'cause I used to have settings on my home screen

01:03:41 ◼   ► on my phone and it's still on the second home screen,

01:03:45 ◼   ► I think.

01:03:46 ◼   ► - Yeah, I have it on the second,

01:03:47 ◼   ► I don't have a second home screen anymore, so.

01:03:49 ◼   ► I do what needs to be there.

01:03:51 ◼   ► Safari.

01:03:52 ◼   ► - Yes.

01:03:53 ◼   ► - Music.

01:03:54 ◼   ► - Good.

01:03:55 ◼   ► - Messages.

01:03:56 ◼   ► - Yeah, text me back.

01:03:57 ◼   ► 700 messages there.

01:04:00 ◼   ► - Yeah, at that point, I think I did have

01:04:01 ◼   ► a number of messages from you.

01:04:03 ◼   ► Slack, Discord, because they go together.

01:04:06 ◼   ► - Yes.

01:04:08 ◼   ► - Notes, Craft.

01:04:09 ◼   ► - So what goes where?

01:04:11 ◼   ► Why do you have Notes and Craft?

01:04:12 ◼   ► I mean, I have Notes

01:04:13 ◼   ► 'cause I have one shared folder with Mary.

01:04:15 ◼   ► - Yeah.

01:04:16 ◼   ► At the moment, all of my notes go in Notes

01:04:18 ◼   ► and I use Craft for everything to do with Cortex brand.

01:04:23 ◼   ► - Okay.

01:04:24 ◼   ► - So all Notes and all like projects

01:04:26 ◼   ► and everything goes in there.

01:04:28 ◼   ► And I think at some point I would move everything to Craft

01:04:32 ◼   ► because what I like about craft is I can have multiple

01:04:34 ◼   ► like accounts, but I just haven't done that.

01:04:38 ◼   ► 'Cause I don't, you know, I--

01:04:41 ◼   ► - It's very manual.

01:04:43 ◼   ► You're just like copying and pasting stuff over to craft.

01:04:45 ◼   ► - Yeah, and also like I still do, I think,

01:04:48 ◼   ► prefer how the share extension for notes works.

01:04:51 ◼   ► - Interesting. - The share extension

01:04:53 ◼   ► for craft.

01:04:54 ◼   ► Yeah, maybe, maybe one day.

01:04:57 ◼   ► I love craft for what I use it for,

01:05:00 ◼   ► but I use it for something that's like,

01:05:01 ◼   ► It's like a little bit more complex

01:05:03 ◼   ► than what I use notes for.

01:05:05 ◼   ► - Sure, it's fantastic. - I do think I need

01:05:07 ◼   ► to clear out some of my old notes.

01:05:08 ◼   ► I don't delete them ever, so I just have

01:05:12 ◼   ► just a big history of stuff going on.

01:05:14 ◼   ► - When I migrated into crafts, I probably ended up

01:05:17 ◼   ► with like probably 50 fewer notes.

01:05:20 ◼   ► Like there was like all sorts of stuff in there.

01:05:21 ◼   ► I don't need this from this thing,

01:05:24 ◼   ► this live event note from three years ago, right?

01:05:26 ◼   ► Like, I just don't need it anymore.

01:05:29 ◼   ► Yeah, like I was, I don't remember what it was that, why I saw this today.

01:05:34 ◼   ► I think I was just like, because I noticed this and started scrolling through and like,

01:05:37 ◼   ► I had a note for it like, "Plan for Cortex in 2017."

01:05:42 ◼   ► It's like, I don't need that anymore.

01:05:47 ◼   ► That time has come and gone, right?

01:05:49 ◼   ► Like it was just like, I don't know.

01:05:50 ◼   ► It was just like coming up with things that we've ended up doing, but it was like, I don't

01:05:55 ◼   ► know why I still have that.

01:05:56 ◼   ► I don't think I need that anymore, so.

01:05:58 ◼   ► And then after craft is Reader.

01:06:02 ◼   ► - What RSS service are you using?

01:06:05 ◼   ► - What is the one that you use?

01:06:06 ◼   ► - Feedbin.

01:06:07 ◼   ► - I use that one.

01:06:08 ◼   ► I was using InnoReader for a while.

01:06:12 ◼   ► I don't remember why, but I was like, I don't need this.

01:06:15 ◼   ► - Sure.

01:06:15 ◼   ► - And then I just changed to Feedbin.

01:06:17 ◼   ► I think like I was using InnoReader

01:06:19 ◼   ► and then I stopped using RSS for a while.

01:06:21 ◼   ► And then when I decided to come back, I like opened it up.

01:06:24 ◼   ► So there's so much stuff in here.

01:06:25 ◼   ► I'm just gonna start off with a brand new service.

01:06:27 ◼   ► And it just went in.

01:06:28 ◼   ► I think it was one of those things where like,

01:06:29 ◼   ► I just opened our text group chat and was like,

01:06:32 ◼   ► "What is everyone using?"

01:06:33 ◼   ► And everyone told me Feedbin and I was like,

01:06:34 ◼   ► "Great, I'm gonna get Feedbin."

01:06:36 ◼   ► And then I just got Feedbin.

01:06:38 ◼   ► - Maybe like a month ago, went through and I read,

01:06:41 ◼   ► adjusted, I don't know what the word is.

01:06:45 ◼   ► I changed all my newsletters to go into Feedbin

01:06:48 ◼   ► instead of my actual email account.

01:06:50 ◼   ► - Interesting.

01:06:51 ◼   ► - You get like a secret email address with Feedbin.

01:06:53 ◼   ► And so you go tell Ben Thompson,

01:06:55 ◼   ► "Hey, send me all my emails here."

01:06:58 ◼   ► And then I made just a newsletters folder.

01:07:00 ◼   ► - You tell him personally, "Hey Ben, hey Ben."

01:07:03 ◼   ► - I texted him, I said, "Can you just change this

01:07:05 ◼   ► to my account please?"

01:07:06 ◼   ► And he said, "Who is this?"

01:07:07 ◼   ► And I said, "It's Steven."

01:07:08 ◼   ► He says, "Steven who?"

01:07:09 ◼   ► - It's Steven and he's like, "Which Steven?"

01:07:11 ◼   ► And then, you know, 20 minutes later,

01:07:13 ◼   ► he just told me to go log into the admin panel.

01:07:15 ◼   ► - And so you even get notices there.

01:07:18 ◼   ► I think you have to look out for it.

01:07:18 ◼   ► You get your notices there about like

01:07:20 ◼   ► if your credit card expired or something.

01:07:21 ◼   ► - Interesting, I've been thinking about doing this.

01:07:23 ◼   ► I have a newsletters folder.

01:07:25 ◼   ► I just check that, like I check regular RSS

01:07:28 ◼   ► and I've really come to like that

01:07:29 ◼   ► because the problem with newsletters in my inbox

01:07:31 ◼   ► is I wouldn't get to them and then they're like,

01:07:33 ◼   ► "Oh, they're old."

01:07:33 ◼   ► But like, if I'm reading RSS,

01:07:35 ◼   ► I'm already kind of in that mode

01:07:37 ◼   ► and I've really come to enjoy it

01:07:39 ◼   ► over the last however long it's been.

01:07:41 ◼   ► - So tell me how this works then.

01:07:43 ◼   ► Like, how does this happen?

01:07:45 ◼   ► Do they give me like, do Phoebe can give me an email address?

01:07:48 ◼   ► - Yes, they give you an email address

01:07:50 ◼   ► and then you go around to all of your newsletters

01:07:54 ◼   ► and you change your email address with them from, you know,

01:07:57 ◼   ► Myke at whatever to secret feed bin email address.

01:08:01 ◼   ► - Okay.

01:08:02 ◼   ► - And then they just show up in feed bin.

01:08:03 ◼   ► - Well, answer this then smart guy.

01:08:05 ◼   ► - Okay.

01:08:06 ◼   ► - I don't know why I've decided to address this

01:08:07 ◼   ► in such attitude, but this is the space

01:08:10 ◼   ► I've decided to occupy.

01:08:11 ◼   ► - So spicy.

01:08:12 ◼   ► - Tell me this brain box.

01:08:15 ◼   ► Like, what do you do if you like,

01:08:18 ◼   ► What do you do if you like, if like something happens

01:08:20 ◼   ► and you lose a password?

01:08:22 ◼   ► How would you reset the password?

01:08:24 ◼   ► - It would show up as an unread article in Feedbin

01:08:27 ◼   ► with all the links and stuff in it.

01:08:29 ◼   ► - Interesting.

01:08:30 ◼   ► - It just turns the body of the message into an article.

01:08:32 ◼   ► - That's interesting.

01:08:34 ◼   ► - Yeah.

01:08:35 ◼   ► - Well, smart guy, you told me, didn't you?

01:08:36 ◼   ► - Yeah, Feedbin, I told you.

01:08:38 ◼   ► What'd you call me, Brain Box?

01:08:40 ◼   ► - I think so, that was one of the things,

01:08:42 ◼   ► smart guy and Brain Box.

01:08:44 ◼   ► You never heard that one before, Brain Box?

01:08:46 ◼   ► - No.

01:08:46 ◼   ► can work out what it means though right it's like smarty pants or something yeah

01:08:50 ◼   ► you know well thanks brain box yeah I might do that I might do that I don't

01:08:56 ◼   ► subscribe to a lot of newsletters that I read in email so like six colors I

01:09:05 ◼   ► really love when Jason put the RSS thing in so I read way more of the six colors

01:09:11 ◼   ► members articles now that they show up in my RSS feed so you read what I write

01:09:16 ◼   ► for Jason now. Yeah, I read, I just, I'm not very good at reading email newsletters.

01:09:22 ◼   ► And I have Club Max Stories, I have Platformer, which is Casey Newton's thing,

01:09:29 ◼   ► and I have Hot Pod. Yeah, mine are very similar to that. They're the ones that I

01:09:32 ◼   ► mostly read, and then one of the things that I love about Ben Thompson is he

01:09:36 ◼   ► records podcasts and that's how I've reached to Techery. This is vastly

01:09:40 ◼   ► superior. I wished that, I wish Casey Newton would do it, honestly, like I

01:09:44 ◼   ► I really do. I love his writing.

01:09:46 ◼   ► And he writes about stuff which I otherwise don't really get a lot of content about,

01:09:53 ◼   ► you know, just like the platform changes and stuff.

01:09:56 ◼   ► And it's a great newsletter.

01:09:57 ◼   ► It's one that I actually do read all the time,

01:09:58 ◼   ► but I wish there was a podcast version because I just like that.

01:10:01 ◼   ► But hey, I might send them to a reader.

01:10:05 ◼   ► I think I'd have a better hit rate of reading the articles.

01:10:09 ◼   ► Because again, I know that that's changed for me.

01:10:11 ◼   ► Oh, and Brad's refill.

01:10:14 ◼   ► Brad Dowdy has a very good pen related newsletter called Refit which I do always read too.

01:10:20 ◼   ► But I think I would prefer them if they were in Reader.

01:10:22 ◼   ► I'm not filling up my email inbox.

01:10:24 ◼   ► That's a good idea.

01:10:26 ◼   ► Where was I?

01:10:27 ◼   ► Todoist?

01:10:28 ◼   ► I'm not talking about it today but yes I'm using Todoist.

01:10:31 ◼   ► I'm not talking about it.

01:10:32 ◼   ► I won't answer questions about it.

01:10:34 ◼   ► At this time please direct all questions to my publicist.

01:10:39 ◼   ► I'm not using OmniFocus.

01:10:40 ◼   ► I haven't been using OmniFocus for like best part of six months.

01:10:44 ◼   ► I'm using Todoist.

01:10:45 ◼   ► I'll talk about it another time.

01:10:46 ◼   ► Okay.

01:10:47 ◼   ► Then Spark, MimeStream, MimeStream.

01:10:52 ◼   ► Yes.

01:10:53 ◼   ► I really love it.

01:10:55 ◼   ► It's an absolutely superb email application.

01:10:58 ◼   ► I wished that they would make it so I could have all of my email in it and then I would

01:11:03 ◼   ► maybe use that more, but I'd love it.

01:11:06 ◼   ► It's what I was looking for, right?

01:11:07 ◼   ► Like I needed a Gmail focused email app that I could keep on its own and have all the features

01:11:13 ◼   ► that I want and tick, tick, tick, tick, tick.

01:11:16 ◼   ► I look forward to there being an iOS version because then I wouldn't have to use the Gmail

01:11:20 ◼   ► app on iOS.

01:11:22 ◼   ► I just opened it and he has added print and print to PDF support so I can switch that

01:11:26 ◼   ► now.

01:11:27 ◼   ► That's very good news for me.

01:11:28 ◼   ► I love how many updates there are and the app is just super good.

01:11:32 ◼   ► It's excellent.

01:11:33 ◼   ► It's very good.

01:11:34 ◼   ► Still not hot on the name?

01:11:36 ◼   ► No.

01:11:37 ◼   ► - No. - It's not hot in the name.

01:11:39 ◼   ► But application quality, very high.

01:11:41 ◼   ► - So you have Relay email and Spark,

01:11:43 ◼   ► and you've spoken a lot about that,

01:11:44 ◼   ► so you and Kerry can talk about sponsors too.

01:11:46 ◼   ► - Relay email and personal email and Spark.

01:11:49 ◼   ► - Interesting, why personal email in there?

01:11:52 ◼   ► - Where else would I put it?

01:11:54 ◼   ► - Oh, 'cause you use iCloud for your personal email, not--

01:11:57 ◼   ► - Yeah, because iCloud for my personal email.

01:11:58 ◼   ► I also have another Gmail account for a business thing.

01:12:02 ◼   ► But again, so here's the thing.

01:12:04 ◼   ► It's all of my email is in Spark,

01:12:07 ◼   ► except for Cortex stuff that's in MimeStream.

01:12:10 ◼   ► And this is similar to Notes and Craft, right?

01:12:14 ◼   ► So like Notes has all of my notes for everything,

01:12:17 ◼   ► like all personal stuff or relay stuff,

01:12:20 ◼   ► all personal projects, it's all in Notes,

01:12:22 ◼   ► and I just keep the Cortex stuff separate.

01:12:24 ◼   ► And this is just because like it was like a different thing

01:12:27 ◼   ► to all of the other stuff that I do in so many ways.

01:12:30 ◼   ► Like if I would have, I mean, if I would have been smarter,

01:12:33 ◼   ► I would have started to sequester things earlier.

01:12:35 ◼   ► Like this is like the craft thing and the mainstream thing.

01:12:39 ◼   ► They offer me like tests of breaking out the various parts

01:12:44 ◼   ► of my personal and professional life

01:12:46 ◼   ► and keeping them in separate places.

01:12:48 ◼   ► And I'm starting to think it's actually

01:12:49 ◼   ► like a pretty good idea for me to have them all broken up.

01:12:53 ◼   ► If you remember, when I was talking about email

01:12:55 ◼   ► a few weeks ago, I was floating the idea

01:12:56 ◼   ► of having three email apps in use.

01:12:58 ◼   ► I'm still thinking about what that would look like.

01:13:00 ◼   ► Yeah, so that, I like that.

01:13:02 ◼   ► but maybe I'll do more of that in the future.

01:13:05 ◼   ► So yeah, all of my email is in Spark,

01:13:07 ◼   ► except Cortex email, which is in my Mime stream.

01:13:11 ◼   ► - Mime stream, yep, I just replaced mail on my doc with it.

01:13:14 ◼   ► I'll be using it.

01:13:15 ◼   ► Okay, so--

01:13:18 ◼   ► - Timery.

01:13:19 ◼   ► - Timery, 'cause you track your time.

01:13:21 ◼   ► Big time tracking boy.

01:13:23 ◼   ► - Yep, I've been podcast recording connected

01:13:26 ◼   ► for one hour, 38 minutes and 33 seconds,

01:13:29 ◼   ► 34, 35 because of the menu bar thing which is great. I love diving in the menu bar now too. It's great.

01:13:34 ◼   ► And then we go into media apps is what I would call this next section.

01:13:39 ◼   ► Yeah, so we were kind of in communication then we were in like

01:13:42 ◼   ► information, right, collecting and productivity and email.

01:13:47 ◼   ► Now we're into zoom.

01:13:50 ◼   ► Zoom and then logic pro.

01:13:53 ◼   ► Mm-hmm, then Adobe Audition. Okay.

01:13:58 ◼   ► QuickTime

01:13:59 ◼   ► Why QuickTime? I knew you were gonna say that I gave you a pause because I knew you were gonna say why QuickTime

01:14:04 ◼   ► Also, can we talk about how bad that icon is the QuickTime icon? Yeah, it's one of the worst ones

01:14:10 ◼   ► It's so bad

01:14:11 ◼   ► But I think that that is because it shows how much Apple care about QuickTime

01:14:15 ◼   ► Which is not do you know they used to have a conference called a QuickTime live? Yes

01:14:19 ◼   ► We've spoken about this at some point. I think you have a sweatshirt. I've tried writing about it. Yes. I have a sweatshirt

01:14:25 ◼   ► I've tried writing about it and it's hard to nail down exactly what happened there,

01:14:30 ◼   ► but they used to have a comment that's called QuickTime Live.

01:14:32 ◼   ► Zach is asking in the Discord if we're officially done with Skype for all recording.

01:14:36 ◼   ► I have, I think, two of my shows that I still do in Skype, but they are going to move to Zoom.

01:14:42 ◼   ► I haven't opened Skype in months.

01:14:46 ◼   ► I haven't opened, so thoroughly considered in remaster.

01:14:49 ◼   ► I just haven't swapped those over, but we will do that.

01:14:53 ◼   ► Actually no remaster we are doing on zoom now so it's just thoroughly considered as the only show

01:14:57 ◼   ► that I do on skype. Come on studio neat boys. This is purely a me thing like I just haven't

01:15:04 ◼   ► haven't moved them. Yeah so with quick time when I upload a show to our audio host we get a url

01:15:14 ◼   ► and I just open up quick time and throw the url in and just make sure that it uploaded okay.

01:15:20 ◼   ► I just, that's where I do my final check of the audio.

01:15:23 ◼   ► Interesting. I do that in Safari.

01:15:25 ◼   ► I used to do it in Safari, but QuickTime is vastly better.

01:15:29 ◼   ► Okay.

01:15:30 ◼   ► For being able to scrub and stuff. I like it for that.

01:15:34 ◼   ► And so I just like open QuickTime, command L.

01:15:38 ◼   ► It's like open location. You just drop link in.

01:15:40 ◼   ► Audio Hijack.

01:15:42 ◼   ► Yes. Very.

01:15:43 ◼   ► Piezo.

01:15:43 ◼   ► Wait, why Piezo then? Because it does everything Audio Hijack can do.

01:15:48 ◼   ► Yep, but what did I use to have with CoreRecorder?

01:15:52 ◼   ► Backup.

01:15:53 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:15:54 ◼   ► But you have Zoom.

01:15:55 ◼   ► But I don't use Zoom for everything.

01:15:57 ◼   ► Right, so you have Piezo in there because you're still using Skype.

01:16:01 ◼   ► Yes.

01:16:01 ◼   ► So that would go away when Skype goes away.

01:16:04 ◼   ► Right, so it's like I always want to have two audio recordings.

01:16:09 ◼   ► And also as well, for stuff which is higher risk, even if I'm using Zoom,

01:16:17 ◼   ► I will also use piezo as well as audio hijack. So I mean like if I was doing something where

01:16:24 ◼   ► if something terrible happened it's going to be a problem for me or it's going to be difficult to

01:16:31 ◼   ► reschedule or whatever if something got messed up I might want to just get a second recording

01:16:36 ◼   ► because the zoom audio quality is not good enough really. It's fine in a pinch but I would prefer

01:16:44 ◼   ► You know not use it. So I will use piezo as well then forecast well fishing first

01:16:50 ◼   ► No, I skipped one fishing. Yes

01:16:52 ◼   ► Fishing is also made by rogue amoeba these three apps audio hijack piezo and fishing or rogue amoeba apps

01:16:58 ◼   ► fishing what I like about it is a

01:17:02 ◼   ► It is a I can't think of the right word. Let me go to their website because obviously it's a very simple audio editor

01:17:10 ◼   ► Yeah, lossless mp3 editing. Yes. So what I like about it is if I had to say like

01:17:16 ◼   ► cut something out of an edited file or whatever, I could do that very easily and

01:17:21 ◼   ► just save it. It doesn't need re-exporting or anything. I also do this for like if I

01:17:27 ◼   ► need just a chapter of a show you could just go in you can open a chapter at

01:17:32 ◼   ► mp3 efficient and just delete all the other chapters and you're just left with

01:17:35 ◼   ► it's very easy to do all of that. It's good for me because I can just

01:17:41 ◼   ► like handle and edit MP3 with Fission and it does a really good job of it.

01:17:46 ◼   ► I use it on occasion for similar things but not super often.

01:17:51 ◼   ► Forecast, this is for encoding into chaptered MP3s. Overcast, because M1

01:18:01 ◼   ► life baby yeah can't run that on my desktop nope you cannot your old old old

01:18:06 ◼   ► Mac Pro so I can check like so this is a thing where like before publishing a

01:18:13 ◼   ► show I upload it to overcast back end and just like check that it's all good

01:18:18 ◼   ► check that the I think maybe you or most people would be thoroughly surprised of

01:18:23 ◼   ► how many checks I do of shows I basis make sure the mp3 loads yeah I do a lot

01:18:30 ◼   ► of checks like when I'm in logic I check that it's lined up with the audio

01:18:35 ◼   ► hijack track of all of the calls bounced down I know you don't do that which is

01:18:41 ◼   ► which I hate I hate so much then I check you know before I put it into forecast

01:18:47 ◼   ► I do a quick check of a few points in the file to make sure I explore it okay

01:18:51 ◼   ► then I'm that's done I do I do that I'll skim it like I skim it in quick look and

01:18:56 ◼   ► And then when I upload it to Libsyn,

01:18:58 ◼   ► I do that same thing again

01:19:00 ◼   ► to make sure that the MP3 encoded okay.

01:19:03 ◼   ► And then once I've uploaded to Libsyn,

01:19:04 ◼   ► which is our audio host,

01:19:06 ◼   ► I will put it in QuickTime and check that.

01:19:08 ◼   ► Then I put that same URL into the Overcast backend thing

01:19:13 ◼   ► for the uploads.

01:19:14 ◼   ► This is something that any paying subscriber gets.

01:19:17 ◼   ► And then it just drops it in Overcast

01:19:19 ◼   ► and then I can check that all the chapters are in properly

01:19:21 ◼   ► and stuff like that.

01:19:22 ◼   ► - Makes sense.

01:19:24 ◼   ► This is why, again, I hate saying this,

01:19:26 ◼   ► but I can't remember the last time

01:19:28 ◼   ► I had an error in my audio.

01:19:30 ◼   ► And like all of these checks have just grown over time

01:19:33 ◼   ► to a-- - You know what you've done.

01:19:35 ◼   ► Like what are you doing?

01:19:36 ◼   ► - I said this on an episode of Cortex recently

01:19:39 ◼   ► and got away with it, so.

01:19:41 ◼   ► I've said it loads of times.

01:19:41 ◼   ► Here's the thing, I'm not editing this episode,

01:19:43 ◼   ► so I haven't jinxed myself for this episode.

01:19:46 ◼   ► - Hmm.

01:19:47 ◼   ► - I'm a careful editor.

01:19:48 ◼   ► - I mean, so am I.

01:19:50 ◼   ► I have had mistakes though.

01:19:52 ◼   ► Everyone makes mistakes sometimes.

01:19:54 ◼   ► - Mm-hmm.

01:19:55 ◼   ► - Everybody poops.

01:19:56 ◼   ► What's next?

01:19:57 ◼   ► - I don't know why you gotta do that.

01:19:58 ◼   ► - It's a book.

01:19:59 ◼   ► Have you ever read that book?

01:20:00 ◼   ► - No, and I don't want to.

01:20:01 ◼   ► I don't have children, so why would I?

01:20:03 ◼   ► Why would I read that? - Well, if you ever do,

01:20:05 ◼   ► you will learn that everybody poops.

01:20:06 ◼   ► - No, I already know this.

01:20:08 ◼   ► This book isn't gonna teach me that.

01:20:09 ◼   ► I know that already. - Everyone poops, excuse me.

01:20:11 ◼   ► - Please stop.

01:20:12 ◼   ► This is not the kind of thing I wanna talk about.

01:20:14 ◼   ► Thank you.

01:20:15 ◼   ► Photos!

01:20:16 ◼   ► - No, you skipped one.

01:20:17 ◼   ► The Blender Boy.

01:20:18 ◼   ► - Oh, Fusion Cast.

01:20:19 ◼   ► - Yes, this is an app I think I told you about.

01:20:21 ◼   ► - Yeah, I think you did.

01:20:23 ◼   ► You can throw in an audio file, so like a podcast,

01:20:28 ◼   ► and a thumbnail, and it will spit out a YouTube video.

01:20:32 ◼   ► - As opposed to having to use Final Cut

01:20:34 ◼   ► or something way heavier than what you actually need.

01:20:37 ◼   ► - Yep.

01:20:38 ◼   ► - Yep, it's very good.

01:20:40 ◼   ► It's by our friend--

01:20:41 ◼   ► - Gee Rainbow.

01:20:42 ◼   ► - Gee Rainbow, yep.

01:20:43 ◼   ► - Photos.

01:20:45 ◼   ► - Photos, good choice.

01:20:46 ◼   ► - Pixelmator Pro.

01:20:47 ◼   ► - Okay.

01:20:49 ◼   ► - I've recently moved from,

01:20:50 ◼   ► I was like a real, like did not want to let go of pixelmator person.

01:20:54 ◼   ► Like the normal, like non pro pixelmator.

01:20:58 ◼   ► Because when pixelmator pro originally launched, if I'm remembering it rightly,

01:21:02 ◼   ► it didn't have all of the features of pixelmator. Yes.

01:21:06 ◼   ► But I feel like the writing was on the wall for pixelmator classic.

01:21:10 ◼   ► And so I thought to myself, I'm just going to give it a go.

01:21:14 ◼   ► I don't know how they do this, but they have a trial,

01:21:16 ◼   ► even though they're a Mac app store version,

01:21:18 ◼   ► you can get a trial from their website.

01:21:20 ◼   ► - Hmm.

01:21:21 ◼   ► - That just expires.

01:21:23 ◼   ► But if you wanna buy the app,

01:21:24 ◼   ► you have to go to the app store to buy it.

01:21:28 ◼   ► - Okay.

01:21:29 ◼   ► Yeah, I've got it.

01:21:30 ◼   ► I use it really only for making small images bigger

01:21:33 ◼   ► with the machine learning stuff.

01:21:35 ◼   ► - I don't really understand how to use Photoshop.

01:21:38 ◼   ► Photoshop's too complicated for me for most things.

01:21:41 ◼   ► - Yeah, it's next in your dock.

01:21:42 ◼   ► - Wait, I'm not, but there's a reason.

01:21:44 ◼   ► Just chill, all right?

01:21:46 ◼   ► A lot of stuff I'm not very good at in Photoshop, but I understand how to do them in Pixelmator.

01:21:54 ◼   ► And asterisk, I'm getting better at trying to teach myself some of these things in Photoshop

01:21:57 ◼   ► as well, but for a lot of stuff I really do like using Pixelmator instead.

01:22:03 ◼   ► For me, if I'm creating something from scratch, like if I'm going to make chapter artwork

01:22:10 ◼   ► or promo artwork for merchandise or whatever, I'll go to Pixelmator.

01:22:15 ◼   ► where I will go. And then I have Photoshop for when, like, if there's something that

01:22:21 ◼   ► only opens that way or will perform better in Photoshop, I'll use it there. And I'm trying

01:22:26 ◼   ► to learn Photoshop, but like some of the tools, I just understand how to use them just vastly

01:22:31 ◼   ► better with Pixelmator. So I have both of them and I use them interchangeably a little

01:22:37 ◼   ► bit, but I do use them sometimes for kind of specific things. So yeah, Photoshop was

01:22:42 ◼   ► next in the doc. Then numbers. Because you're a businessman. So I have a couple

01:22:50 ◼   ► of numbers number what are they called in numbers? Sheets? Sheets. That I had

01:22:57 ◼   ► open enough like maybe you know like I might have them open for a couple of

01:23:02 ◼   ► days or whatever as I'm just dealing with some stuff that I found numbers to

01:23:07 ◼   ► be at the end of my doc all the time so I just added it it's like okay you have

01:23:12 ◼   ► been promoted now numbers yes to being you have come out of the recent apps

01:23:16 ◼   ► which you don't use at all anymore exactly I never used it okay and this

01:23:22 ◼   ► was the same for the final one which is parcel we've all moved to parcel I think

01:23:26 ◼   ► from deliveries and this was not at all related to deliveries becoming a

01:23:31 ◼   ► subscription app I happily paid the subscription I just for the when we

01:23:36 ◼   ► spoke about it some time ago, Parcel has a set of functions that I think are just better

01:23:45 ◼   ► than Deliverys. Part of them is that Parcel recognizes more of the carrier services that

01:23:52 ◼   ► I use than Deliverys does and I think at that point, I think it's pretty obvious why I use

01:23:58 ◼   ► it right it's like yeah I it just doesn't have everything that I need so

01:24:04 ◼   ► but the parcel does I like the Amazon integration so you don't have to like

01:24:10 ◼   ► put a weird Amazon tracking number in and copy and paste or whatever you

01:24:13 ◼   ► decide I know that's like a thing that people really love for it and I think

01:24:16 ◼   ► it's that's fine okay does that's not really something that I need Amazon does

01:24:20 ◼   ► a pretty good job for me of telling me where things are you know what I mean it

01:24:24 ◼   ► really is for me like there are just some services that I use here in the UK

01:24:27 ◼   ► I get stuff coming from Europe and deliveries can't can't do anything with them

01:24:31 ◼   ► It's like login here to view the update like I have to tap it is basically just a link

01:24:37 ◼   ► but parcel does it it's like Royal Mail and DPD their two services I use here in the UK a lot and and

01:24:44 ◼   ► Deliveries can't do anything with them

01:24:46 ◼   ► But parcel can the only thing I wish parcel would do and I think I'm gonna submit this as a request is

01:24:51 ◼   ► Just let me put a URL in that I can just open whenever I want

01:24:55 ◼   ► I said this post like freight deliveries and stuff of wherever what stuff like that

01:24:59 ◼   ► I sent a request in today because in the little panel where you put in the name

01:25:04 ◼   ► of what you're tracking it doesn't use quick type or autocorrect and so mine are

01:25:09 ◼   ► all horrendously misspelled and it capitalizes every word yeah so I sent

01:25:14 ◼   ► them an email this morning actually said hey please consider this for update and

01:25:19 ◼   ► then I have a folder which is downloads did you know it's called bin yes they

01:25:24 ◼   ► changed it in Big Sur I think? At some point. I don't remember where it was. At some point recently they changed it to

01:25:33 ◼   ► Ben for some some language sets and what is minimum you have like a oh that's

01:25:39 ◼   ► your downloads folder oh right see that was like a minimized document because

01:25:42 ◼   ► you don't have a folder representing your stack do you mean to make you a

01:25:47 ◼   ► little Dropbox folder you could put there? No I don't want that I don't want it I like

01:25:51 ◼   ► the preview I like the preview I'm gonna copy it into the connected God box

01:25:57 ◼   ► folder there you go that's our docks I feel like we have a pretty good handle

01:26:05 ◼   ► on things I feel like I was able to roast yours morning you roasted mine I

01:26:09 ◼   ► mean all of my roasting was at the beginning right and then and then we

01:26:13 ◼   ► moved through yes the app store is very a very weighty subject yes but I feel

01:26:19 ◼   ► like we needed to bring some order to your doc,

01:26:22 ◼   ► which we did.

01:26:23 ◼   ► - Do we wanna wrap up?

01:26:24 ◼   ► I think that's it.

01:26:25 ◼   ► - I think that is it.

01:26:26 ◼   ► - I think that's it.

01:26:27 ◼   ► If you want to find links to the stories we spoke about

01:26:30 ◼   ► or just a whole bunch of Mac apps we mentioned,

01:26:33 ◼   ► head on over to relay.fm/connected/358.

01:26:37 ◼   ► While you're there, you can send feedback or follow up,

01:26:40 ◼   ► especially if you're in Luxembourg, let us know.

01:26:43 ◼   ► If you have a hot take on doc placement,

01:26:46 ◼   ► send it to Casey Liss.

01:26:48 ◼   ► - Yeah, yeah, don't tweet.

01:26:49 ◼   ► Definitely email it to him.

01:26:51 ◼   ► - You can also join Connected Pro.

01:26:54 ◼   ► You get a longer ad-free version of the show each

01:26:57 ◼   ► and every week.

01:26:58 ◼   ► It's a lot of fun.

01:26:59 ◼   ► This week we spoke about warehouses and gutters.

01:27:02 ◼   ► (laughing)

01:27:03 ◼   ► - Yeah.

01:27:04 ◼   ► - And all sorts of stuff.

01:27:05 ◼   ► It was good.

01:27:07 ◼   ► And we're gonna put titles.

01:27:08 ◼   ► That's usually in there too.

01:27:09 ◼   ► Always fun to debate those.

01:27:11 ◼   ► While you're on the Relay website,

01:27:12 ◼   ► go check out our friends over at Clockwise.

01:27:15 ◼   ► They're also a Wednesday show.

01:27:16 ◼   ► In fact, they're live on the live stream right before us.

01:27:19 ◼   ► It is four tech topics, four fun hosts,

01:27:23 ◼   ► and they're in and out in just 30 minutes.

01:27:26 ◼   ► It's hosted by our friends, Dan and Micah.

01:27:28 ◼   ► They always have two awesome guests,

01:27:30 ◼   ► and it's a great way to get some tech news in,

01:27:34 ◼   ► really fun stories.

01:27:35 ◼   ► I love the format, relay.fm/clockwise,

01:27:39 ◼   ► or search for clockwise wherever you get your podcasts.

01:27:42 ◼   ► Keep watching the clock.

01:27:44 ◼   ► - Where do you get your podcasts?

01:27:46 ◼   ► - I get mine from cassette tape.

01:27:49 ◼   ► - Oh, I like the warm sound.

01:27:51 ◼   ► You can find us online, Federico,

01:27:55 ◼   ► remember send him on Twitter a fish

01:27:57 ◼   ► that's not a weird fish, a normal fish emoji.

01:28:00 ◼   ► You can do that @vittici, V-I-T-I-C-C-I,

01:28:03 ◼   ► and he is the editor-in-chief of maxstories.net.

01:28:08 ◼   ► They have some big stuff coming,

01:28:09 ◼   ► just keep an eye out for that.

01:28:11 ◼   ► You can find Myke online as I-M-Y-K-E.

01:28:14 ◼   ► Myke hosts a bunch of other things here on Relay

01:28:17 ◼   ► and other parts of the internet.

01:28:18 ◼   ► Myke, what's something cool you're doing this week?

01:28:21 ◼   ► (laughing)

01:28:22 ◼   ► - I don't know what to say

01:28:23 ◼   ► when you ask me this question sometimes.

01:28:25 ◼   ► I think people, we already spoke about it,

01:28:27 ◼   ► but people should check out Monday's episode of Upgrade.

01:28:30 ◼   ► - You can find me on Twitter as ismh

01:28:33 ◼   ► and I also host a bunch of other shows here on Relay FM.

01:28:36 ◼   ► We just published episode 600 of Mac Power Users.

01:28:39 ◼   ► Now that I can take credit for most of those,

01:28:40 ◼   ► but still a fun--

01:28:41 ◼   ► - Now you're on all of them.

01:28:43 ◼   ► - All right, you're on a little bit?

01:28:44 ◼   ► - Just in the last two years, or three years.

01:28:47 ◼   ► How long have I been on an MPU?

01:28:50 ◼   ► - Two years and six days.

01:28:51 ◼   ► - That doesn't seem right.

01:28:52 ◼   ► - Can you imagine if I was right though?

01:28:55 ◼   ► - That would be an amazing skill.

01:28:57 ◼   ► - Wouldn't that be great?

01:28:58 ◼   ► It's like the kind of people where like, you know,

01:29:00 ◼   ► you can like drop like a bunch, like a ball,

01:29:05 ◼   ► like a bunch of balls on the ground, slap him in the face,

01:29:07 ◼   ► thinking to him, I know there are immediately.

01:29:09 ◼   ► You ever seen this kind of trick?

01:29:11 ◼   ► - That's a very specific situation

01:29:12 ◼   ► don't think I've ever been in. Well next time we're together I'll try it and see if we can do it.

01:29:18 ◼   ► No! I won't tell you what's going to happen either.

01:29:20 ◼   ► Hit you in the face. Bunch of bouncy balls smack in the face how many are there?

01:29:25 ◼   ► Did you work it out yet? No. I wasn't. I was vamping to give you time. Oh I can do it.

01:29:31 ◼   ► I can go to relay.fm/people. That's why I was talking about all that

01:29:34 ◼   ► nonsense was to give you time. I'm a professional. So Zach has already told us

01:29:38 ◼   ► It was January 6th, 2019.

01:29:40 ◼   ► So it's been two and a half years.

01:29:44 ◼   ► - I have been on 138 episodes of Mac Power Users.

01:29:49 ◼   ► - You got a long way to go before you can be on more.

01:29:53 ◼   ► - 358 Connecteds, 21 flashbacks.

01:29:57 ◼   ► - You haven't been on 358 episodes of Connected.

01:29:59 ◼   ► - But I'm credited.

01:30:01 ◼   ► - Well, you should fix that.

01:30:02 ◼   ► - I'd like to thank our sponsors this week,

01:30:04 ◼   ► Pingdom, Indeed, and Mac Weldon.

01:30:06 ◼   ► Until next time, Myke, say goodbye.

01:30:08 ◼   ► See ya.

01:30:09 ◼   ► Bye y'all.