361: The Apple Maps of Cellular Radios
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Hello, and welcome to Connected, episode 361.
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It's made possible this week by our sponsors, Squarespace,
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Pingdom, and Hello.
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My name is Stephen Hackett, and I'm joined by Mr. Myke Hurley.
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Hello, welcome back.
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Thank you for going down the fort this summer.
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You have been the constant on Connected.
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Yeah, did I take one off?
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You took one.
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One off, but you two have been all over the place.
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Federico is away this week.
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So Federico, in case you don't know,
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he writes a review of iOS and iPadOS every year.
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And yeah, I know, right?
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Shocker, breaking news.
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And Federico came to us this week
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and asked if we would be cool holding the fort for him
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because he's in the final stretch now
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of writing that review.
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And he's obviously been pretty distracted with all the Club Max story stuff. So Federico's down in a bunker now
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Writing his iOS and iPad OS review. So he's taking a week off the show this week and he should be back next week
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We have some follow-up. Yeah, I would like to apologize to most countries of the world, you know, I upset some people first off
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I would like to apologize. I've
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provided individual
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Apologies to basically all of our Brazilian listeners for suggesting that Brazilian people spoke Spanish
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when they in fact speak Portuguese, so I'd like to apologize for that.
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Kosovo. Now, you remember we had a Kosovo problem last time
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where we had a listener, Blend, who was from Kosovo,
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but I said we had zero Kosovo listeners.
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Kosovan listeners. Here we go, I'm doing it again.
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Kosovo can also be known as Serbia,
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but it has declared independence from Serbia,
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but is only partially recognized worldwide.
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So that might be why our hosting provider doesn't recognize there's Kosovo
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because maybe our hosting provider hasn't got that data.
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I don't know.
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This is maybe too much for us to try and get into.
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It feels pretty murky.
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But it could be why we show a zero for Kosovo.
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I did check, though, and we had ten listeners from Serbia.
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So if they were being counted into Serbia's data,
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maybe that would mess it up.
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I apologize to blend, but unfortunately, it's not up to us
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to decide which countries are recognized.
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Yeah, that sounds complicated for this podcast.
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This is incredibly complicated and I almost wish we hadn't done this follow-up
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because I'm almost convinced I will now have more follow-up.
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This is basically Greengate but for global politics which is much more.
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If we do this segment in the future,
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listener James suggested calling it the Raromies which I enjoyed.
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Oh, that's good!
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Which I really enjoyed.
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My suggestion was the Weirdies.
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as we were ultimately finding the weirdest listener,
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but the Raromies is better.
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- Raromies is very good.
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- So I think we will come back to this at some point,
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especially because now somebody has been given
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the nod of weirdest fish.
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Now, like, now that Umar is the weirdest fish,
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lots of other people want to be weird, right?
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So like we put this call out
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and we gave people enough time,
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but all week I've been getting tweets from people
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who are like, "Hey, I'm from this country,
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"is that weirder?"
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Well, you had your time, right?
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It's not up to us, you had your opportunity.
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- Listen to the show the week it comes out,
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is what we're saying.
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- No, they were like, "Oh, I just didn't do it.
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I just didn't send it in."
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I was like, "Well, this isn't, you know what I mean?"
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Like, just like, "Well, you were lazy
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or you didn't think you were weird enough.
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Believe in your weirdness."
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It is very likely that some point next summer,
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we will come back to the Raromies
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because it was a great way to fill half of a show.
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- And it was very enjoyable to listen to.
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I made Mary listen to it.
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I was like, "You gotta hear this."
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I actually listened back to that segment in full, which is a rarity for me to do, because
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I wanted to see how it came out.
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I also wanted to just be completely aware of how many people I could have upset accidentally.
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In episode three, so this is some follow up from Darren, from listener Darren.
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In episode 360 you were hoping to have a listener in space.
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Unfortunately I couldn't quite do that, but I did go and listen to Connected inside both
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a Soviet space station hull, the Almaz 206, and a VA space capsule, which are part of
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a museum collection. And Darren has sent in an image for us, proof of that. The image
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that I have put in our show notes is the wrong one.
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And so I just got a bit of a shock when I opened that and I don't know what happened.
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I need to correct that, Steven. I can only apologize to you. I don't know why this has
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and I think there's some kind of horrific virus
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inside of our S3 bucket,
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which is just an image of your face.
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So we've got that going on.
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- I will find this image.
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And then, yeah, okay.
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- I believe it was an email.
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- Do you think there are any emails to me?
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- It was an email. - Yeah, so let me get it.
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Let me get it now.
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- Okay, I'll let you go deal with that.
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- That was so scary.
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Last week, I also spoke about Tim Cook
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and his time at the company.
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And, you know, 10 year anniversary has been there.
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A while, Tim Cook has made comments before about,
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I think like, you know, he's not gonna be at Apple forever.
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German chimed in, speculating that Tim would retire
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between 2025 and 2028 sometime.
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And apparently he wants to oversee
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one more major product category introduction.
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And I don't think you have to guess
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that that would probably be something AR focused.
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He talks a lot about it, seems very passionate
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about having charts and meetings in space.
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And so maybe once we see that, then Tim's gone.
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- Yeah, I mean, we were talking about this last time, right?
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That the Apple Watch is maybe the biggest product
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that Tim has ever seen.
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- But it isn't the change the world product
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that maybe you would want if you were Apple CEO, right?
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And so I expect he probably wants to give that another go
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and see if he can be at the helm of the company
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when they introduce their next paradigm shifting company.
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Like you can put the slide up of the Mac and the iPhone
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and the iPad up as much as you want, right?
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And talk about like, oh, and this is the next one,
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but the market decides.
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And I don't think the market has decided.
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Apple Watch is a very successful product.
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We're gonna talk about it later on today.
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But it is not, you know, it has not changed the world
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like those other ones that I mentioned.
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I have now found the image of Darren in a space capsule.
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- Oh good. - Which is very good.
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Do you see this?
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So Darren printed out a weird fish
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and you can also see he's listening to the episode.
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So good proof.
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And to up the weirdness factor,
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this is all took place on the Isle of Man, which has a population of 85,000 people. It's
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weird. But Darren knows that doesn't make him lifetime weird, which is what we were
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looking for for somebody to listen from space. This is good enough.
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Space weird. So if you're Tim Cook and you want to be in the hall of fame that is the
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Mac iPod, iPhone, iPad, and the watch doesn't get you there, I just don't see how AR is
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going to be the thing that pushes you into that.
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Am I just being pessimistic about AR? I feel like I am on general, but I just don't know.
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I mean, he's really banking on this AR/VR combination. Here's the thing, right?
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So let's just think of this a second, talk about this a second.
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If Apple's creating a product, not the first one, right? The first one is a developer kit,
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mostly, right? AR/VR home use. If they are making AR glasses, right? The expectation is they will
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will be in front of your eyes, right?
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Like you cannot escape them.
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It's not like the Apple Watch, right?
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Where it's like this complimentary thing.
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AR glasses would be like this,
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a much more of a companion, I think, to other devices
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with the, I guess the eventual goal
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of becoming something of its own.
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It does feel to me like just in theory,
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much more for good and ill invasive
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than an Apple Watch is.
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It's more, maybe pervasive is a better word to use,
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like in our lives in that sense.
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If it can truly give you that sci-fi idea
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of as you're walking around,
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you can be presented information,
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that could be, for some people, a pretty big deal.
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I don't know.
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I mean, would we have necessarily assumed
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that the iPhone was gonna be as big as it ended up being?
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- I don't think so.
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- I don't think anyone did.
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I don't think Apple did, honestly.
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- It was just like, here is like a really,
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like much nicer experience for using a cell phone.
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Right, but then it was the apps
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that was what truly made it what it is.
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So maybe they can do it again.
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I don't know either, but I think if you're looking
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at what's on the horizon for Apple,
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what areas they have to tackle,
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I mean, it's not gonna be the car, right?
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Like that's the other area.
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the car's not gonna be that thing
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because even if they make an incredible car,
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it's gonna be really expensive.
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And so it's not gonna be something that everybody owns,
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like everybody owns a smartphone or whatever.
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- Right. - So I don't know.
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- Yeah, Apple's best products have been the ones
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that democratize technology, right?
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Where all of a sudden the computer is accessible to you
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through something like the mouse and pull-down menus.
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You don't have to be using punch cards like Dr. Drang did
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or the iPod making music accessible to everybody, right?
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That's Apple at its best.
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And that's really kind of where I come back
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to the AR question is like, is that going to be for everyone?
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- I mean, it could be closer to an iPod
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in its success than an iPhone,
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but that would still be enough.
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- Oh yeah, the iPhone is still like so far above and beyond
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and even AirPods, you know, so much of what he has done
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or what Apple has done I should say is
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pivoting off the phone, right?
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The Apple Watch can only be as big as the iPhone market
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as long as they continue to tie it to iOS the way they have.
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AirPods are the same way, right?
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Yes, I'm sure there are people using AirPods products
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with non-iPhones, but it can't be many.
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And I don't know, and--
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- I guess, yeah, AirPods are probably
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his most successful product line, right?
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But they're not, it's not like the big new--
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- It's an accessory. - You're not putting it
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on that slide that I was mentioning earlier, right?
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Of like, here's Apple's history.
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It's not going on there.
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- Yeah, it's fair.
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Anyways, Tim Cook, hang around for a little longer.
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- We'd like that.
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- Myke, today, September 1st.
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- Know what that means?
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- It means that the podcast is getting closer and closer
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is what it means.
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- That is true in a very troubling way.
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But September is Childhood Cancer Awareness Month,
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something that we mark and celebrate every year
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here at Relay FM.
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And the reason we do that is because of the work
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of St. Jude Children's Research Hospital.
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There'll be a link in the show notes
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to a thing that I wrote today.
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My oldest son was diagnosed with cancer as an infant.
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They found a brain tumor and he's getting ready to turn 13.
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And he has officially moved from cancer patient
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to cancer survivor because of the work at St. Jude.
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In fact, if you look at the overall childhood cancer
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survival rates, they are way, way higher
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than they were 60 years ago
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when St. Jude first opened its doors.
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And it's not just kids in Memphis.
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We were fortunate to already live here, it's our home,
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but they treat kids from all over the world
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and their research is shared all over the world
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to increase cancer survival rates in kids
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in all corners of the earth.
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So we take this seriously.
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We spend a lot of time and energy on this every fall
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because it is really important to us.
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And every year the relay community
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has been absolutely amazing
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in helping raise money for St. Jude.
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So you can donate now.
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We're already over $80,000 and it's just September 1st.
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We've been talking about this for two weeks now.
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And it'll run through the end of September.
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September is a time where a lot of us
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are gonna spend a lot of money on tech, right?
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Like, I'm gonna order a new iPhone this month
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and maybe a watch.
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And it's a time where a lot of us in this sort of community
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are spending money and set some of that aside
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and make it really count.
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So you can go to stjude.org/relay and donate.
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And that money goes to not only this research and treatment,
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but families don't pay anything for that treatment.
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So our son has been a St. Jude patient for 12 years
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and they've never charged me a single dime.
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That's incredible because that is really best in world care.
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And because it is just given to us,
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we could focus on our family and focus on our kid,
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which is what's most important.
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So make that possible for more families,
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stjude.org/relay.
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- I think I first heard Casey mention this about like,
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which I kind of like it, that donating to St. Jude
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during this time is guilt absolution
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for buying expensive technology products.
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And I'm into that idea.
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So you don't have to feel so guilty
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about spending $1,000 on your phone
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if you make a nice donation to St. Jude as well.
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- Look, last year I put wheels on my Mac Pro
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and I donated the same amount to St. Jude to offset it.
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- Yeah, yeah.
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We've got some streams coming up actually on that note.
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- Do you want to tell people what you're doing?
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- Yeah, so on Thursday, September 2nd,
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I will be taking apart my next cube.
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I don't know how the next cube comes apart,
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Ming-Chi Kuo has reported that the next iPhone would feature low Earth orbit LEO satellite
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communication capabilities.
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This basically allows for an iPhone to make calls or send messages about any cell coverage
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it's connecting to satellites instead.
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Kuo expects this technology could also expand to other products that Apple makes in the
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I think we had a conversation about this a couple of days ago, just me and you.
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It wasn't a podcast conversation, we do actually have those.
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And this seemed like an absolutely bonkers idea that I would never pay any attention
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to if it didn't come from Wing Chi Kuo, right?
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It would just be like, "This doesn't make any sense.
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Why is this happening?
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I don't understand.
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Who's providing all of this?"
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It kind of reminded me of the way Kindles used to – I don't even know if they still
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work this way, but how you would get like 3G on them.
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It's just like, "Oh, don't worry about it.
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We'll take care of it for you," right?
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It's just like –
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Paid for somehow.
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had a kindle, so this is a fun fun story side story. The kindle two, I think, was
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the first kindle that was released outside of america. This is when they got
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rid of the weird keyboard yeah and I bought one of those. They made them
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available to unite kingdom, but the cell service was roaming
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huh, so it was still provided by like verizon or wherever it was, but it was
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roaming. So whenever I would use the cell service, the battery would just
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it would not, it just did not deal very well
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and it took a really long time to download anything.
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- It was on a roaming plan.
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They actually didn't do a deal with a UK carrier at first.
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So, super strange.
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Anyway, so I wouldn't have believed this.
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And then Mark Gurman also doubled down on it and reported,
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expanding saying that this would ideally be intended
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for emergency calling and reporting.
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So this is a quote,
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"The first component dubbed emergency message
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via satellite will let users text emergency services
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and contacts over a satellite network
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when there's no cell signal available.
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That feature will be integrated into the messages app
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as a third protocol alongside the standard SMS
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and iMessage and appear with gray message bubbles
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instead of green or blue.
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The second feature will be a tool to report
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major emergencies such as plane crashes and sinking ships
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also using satellite networks.
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It's very niche.
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- I mean, yeah, I mean, I believe it
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'cause these sources are good at this sort of thing,
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but definitely not something I think most people
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are ever going to need to use, hopefully.
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I hope I never have to use it.
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- Yeah, but it's like, if you have to,
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you maybe be happy that it's there, right?
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But it is an interesting feature for sure.
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It's expected that this would be included in the iPhone 13,
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but the feature will come later.
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And this reminded me of like the UWB chip, right?
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Like the U1 chip or whatever they call it.
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Like it didn't really do anything
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until the air tags became a thing.
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Apparently Apple have considered using satellites
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of their own, of course, right?
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But have decided to rely on existing infrastructure.
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The Bloomberg report mentioned this company,
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it's like Global Networks or something is their name.
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And their stock like jumped after this
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because the week before,
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because there are a few companies that do this,
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the week before they had said that they had entered
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into an agreement with an unnamed company.
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- Oh, interesting.
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Because it's like they had to report it or something
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in their earnings and they just, they couldn't say who.
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And then one or two other companies said it wasn't them.
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And there's like limited companies that can do this.
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So it was expected that it's this one company.
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It's unlikely that this feature will be available everywhere
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after launch, there were local restrictions and stuff,
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and also just coverage.
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And Apple also developed a UI inside of iOS
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that will tell people, hey, move around, move over here
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until you get a signal kind of thing.
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This stuff isn't instantly available everywhere.
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And this also kind of isn't satellite internet either.
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- Right, this is not Starlink, so you can get rid of AT&T.
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This seems like a emergency pull cord type,
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break glass kind of thing.
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Yeah, it's a really weird niche feature.
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So here's the thing that I find particularly peculiar
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about this as well, is the timing of it.
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So Mark Gorman's report also references
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that they will probably be using a Qualcomm chip
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like for the modem for this.
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Even though Apple is known to be developing
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their own modems, right?
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Like this is a thing.
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They got into that deal, you may remember,
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they settled that deal with Qualcomm, right?
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And said that they would use their licensing
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for X amount of years or whatever.
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And then also bought Intel's modem business
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so they could make their own modems for the future, right?
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'Cause they don't wanna be tied to Qualcomm.
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That was why they were having that dispute
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in the first place.
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Apple thought that they didn't wanna pay all of their,
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should believe they shouldn't have to have paid
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all the licensing fees.
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So it's intriguing to me to launch this feature,
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which I don't know if anyone's asking for, right?
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Before you have your own modems,
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when you are probably also working on it as well.
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Like it just maybe seems like this would be something
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to wait and do at the time when you can do it,
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rather than now adding in this complexity.
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So they now have added in something
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that they have to replace
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before they can ship their own modems.
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'Cause they can't take this feature away
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now that they add it into the fund, right?
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- So if this makes it more complex
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to ship their own modem system,
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they have now only made it harder for themselves to do that.
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- I mean, or they're on the road and they know that,
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okay, in two years, we'll be able to move to our own.
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- Yeah, but then it makes me wonder, like,
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why not just wait?
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Like this feature specifically, I don't know.
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And you know, and always there's always the story, right?
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And sometimes just the story of it is enough.
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Like it's a feature they can add so they add it.
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And like, I personally go back to the blood oxygen
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meter in the new Apple watch. I don't know how much utility that really has
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had for most people like it feels like it is not as useful as many of the other
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senses. I have no doubt some people have had their lives saved right. This is
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always the thing that happens no doubt, but for most it would be the same with
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this right. There would be a couple of lives saved. Oh yeah, it's not a mass
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market feature that's for sure right, but like the blog session thing you can
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in an ad as well. So it's a feature you can add that might help some people but
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also it ends up being a cool marketing thing and that's probably a reason to do
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it. But I do it does give me that pause of wondering if they're making it more
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complicated for themselves to move over to their own modems. Maybe. Are they fully
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on their own modems for 5G yet? I don't I don't know where that stands. No, it's all Qualcomm.
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Apple's got none of their own modem technology. Yeah, they just bought
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they bought Intel's business right and they're yes they're working on that yeah
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yeah they were working on it anyway and then the main reason they bought Intel's
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business is so they could get patents of their own because this was the problem
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that they were having that's right yeah pants are bad I'm worried though like
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for the future that this is gonna cause Apple some issues just because they are
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annoyed about having to pay licensing fees to Qualcomm they will switch over
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and then everybody's cell service is gonna be worse
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and then we're all paying for their weirdness.
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- The Apple Maps of cellular radios is what you're saying.
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- You know what, yes, that's the kind of exact thing
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I'm talking about, but this would be way worse
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because you can't get a third party cell radio.
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- If someone makes like a lightning adapter,
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it's like outboard. - Oh my God, that would work.
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Yeah, that's what Qualcomm's working on.
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They're gonna give you, you just put it in a special case,
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it's just very conductive.
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I mean, we'll know soon enough.
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It's gonna be iPhone time here.
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- It's a few years, it's gonna be,
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oh, for this particular feature?
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They might not mention it.
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- Yeah, but you know, did they mention the ultra wide band
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or did that just get shown up?
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Did that get show up in like the iFixit tear down?
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- I don't think they mentioned it.
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- I think it just showed up.
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And then maybe they confirmed it, I think.
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- I think it, yeah, 'cause then it came out,
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they like, I think it was given to press about like,
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oh, there's a new, there's a new like air drop.
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drop feature that I swear has never worked for anyone. I still don't know what it was meant to have done
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But that was meant to be a thing
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Maybe you'd be able to point your phone at someone and then it would share files, but they just never really seemed to work
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Well, we're talking about things that plug into things. Yeah a couple of interesting
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Mac accessories have popped up one I sent to you because you have a 24-inch iMac
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Hyper people may remember them. They had a Kickstarter like in 2016
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when the USB-C MacBook Pros first showed up,
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basically a mega dongle that plugged into the side of it.
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But they have a new, as a set too,
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new USB-C hubs designed for that M1 iMac.
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And they sort of grip it at the bottom
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and give you ports around front,
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which is a great place to have ports on a computer.
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- Yeah, we both have our iMac Pros.
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They make a version for the iMac Pro
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this type of thing right? Is it them? It's somebody. Or is it Satechi? Satechi makes the one that
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that you have on your iMac Pro and I used to. And so it's just basically putting ports on the front.
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I wanted to buy one of these just to see what it was like but they don't ship to DNA Kingdom.
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Oh no. Yeah it's Brexit man. Bunch of companies just don't bother anymore. It's like too much.
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Yeah I was one of those people on that small island. Really I was just wondering how well did they
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actually color match because they give you it's just weird as well it's just
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like just to deal with their logistics you get a front cover for all the colors
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yeah I'm a and you can swap them around it's bit heavily branded for my liking
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with the hyper logo on the front I would maybe prefer not to have that but I was
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intrigued and plus it is cool to have these things at the front but they don't
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shipped to me so I won't be trying it. I mean I think I bought my like I buy
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products like this on Amazon every now and then like it'll probably come to
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Amazon at some point in the future probably but so it's not happening right
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now yeah you would think someone else would do this yes it's a tetchy has one
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this is actually one for the regular iMac that's the one that like weirdly
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like just you stick it inside the fan vent right yep yeah yeah it's very
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sketch but it's a good product. Mm-hmm. Oh it's, I mean I've really enjoyed it and... Oh I forgot
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you don't have an iMac Pro do you? No. You have to, maybe they should make one that
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you can stick into the top of your Mac Pro you know? Yeah, I mean I have a
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Thunder, I have a one of the small Cal digits on my desk, I have some ports on my
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desk now, but I thought well why doesn't anyone make this for the Pro display? And
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And then I remembered that it's just like USB 2 on the back.
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It's not Thunderbolt or anything or, you know,
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anything faster.
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So that's a bummer.
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- They have two versions of this thing.
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They have one that they call the 6-in-1,
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the one that they call the 5-in-1.
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And it's very confusing the way that they've named them,
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because like, it's not like the $79 6-in-1
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gets one more port than the 5-in-1.
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They're like completely different configurations of ports.
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So the 6-in-1 has a HDMI, a 10 gigabit USB-C, two USB-A, one SD card, and one micro SD card
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And then the 5-in-1 has two 5 gigabyte USB-C, two 5 gigabyte USB-A, or gigabit USB-A, and
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then one 7.5 watt USB-A.
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So it can do power, the other ones can't.
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It's very confusing, the choices.
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and also the fact that they're so incredibly different. I feel like they should be differently
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named because the first one is very clearly for people that deal with images and video.
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And then the second one is just standard adapting. And I feel like they could have done a better
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job and maybe named them as such.
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Yeah, it's a little confusing. I thought the same thing.
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I kind of was looking at it and couldn't work out which one I wanted based on that.
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Well, you don't get either one, so...
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No, I don't get either.
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Joke's on you.
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- Yeah, it's a joke, it's a joke is on me, I suppose.
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- Also something that popped up is the 12 South Stago Mini,
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which is a--
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- It's a baby hub.
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- It's a baby hub, and so--
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- It's a tiny baby hub.
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- Yeah, you can plug it right into the side of an iPad
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or something with USB-C, and it gives you USB-A,
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HDMI, headphone audio out, and then another USB-C port,
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but just for power, that one doesn't get data.
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You can just plug it right into your iPad or you can have it on your desk.
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It comes with this little braided cable.
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I have the full size Stago USB-C hub and I really like it.
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It's a very good, simple hub.
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Like it's just a good, like, can give you a few extra ports
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when you need them kind of hub.
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Because it doesn't need to be powered
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like a lot of hubs do these days.
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But that's because it's not doing anything heavy lifting.
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It's not doing Thunderbolt or anything like that.
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the regular one. You just get HDMI, three USB ports, an Ethernet port, and SD and micro SD card readers.
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So it's like a nice little thing. I have it. You know, I was using that a lot for my iPad Pro
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when I was using like a keyboard and mouse in my iPad Pro, putting it on the laptop stand.
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This was the hub that I was using for that. I think that the Stago Mini, that is a, I don't know,
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feels like a good impulse buy, put it in your backpack, never think about it until you need it kind of thing.
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- This is a cool little product.
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12 South have been on a good run recently.
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Like they make that, I've been really, really happy
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with the iPad stand that they make.
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What is that one called?
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The Hoverbar Duo.
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- Oh yeah, yeah, that is nice.
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- Yeah, I really like that product.
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That is a very strong recommendation from me,
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the Hoverbar Duo.
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They make so many things now,
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their website has become difficult to navigate.
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- Yeah. - 12 South.
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A lot of stuff.
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They make a lot of stuff.
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Yeah, lots of like, if you just need like a stand or a weird accessory, they probably
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have you covered.
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Didn't they make something really weird recently that you bought?
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Not the candle, but something else.
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Not the candle.
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I remember the candle, but I thought they made another weird product recently.
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Or was it an April Fool joke?
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They had an April Fool's joke, I think.
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That, oh, it was the rock.
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Do they have the stone?
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the we're off the beaten path now I don't remember what what you're talking
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about it was like some sort of like it was like a it was a I remember it was a
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wireless charger but it looked it was made out of like polished stone or
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marble or so oh yeah yeah yeah that was it that was it was yes and then they
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were trying to see if people would want it yeah there it is here it is stoner it
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- It was cold, yeah.
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- It's pretty good.
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- It's a mag safe puck.
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The perfect place for iPhone 12 to charge and chill.
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That's what their copy says.
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Anyways, lots of fun little accessories.
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And now you know you're building out a desk or something,
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it's always a fun time to look at these things.
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- Yep, like you.
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- Yeah, I really want to move to my new desk.
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- Yeah, well you can't.
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because I have calendar situations.
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- Yes, look, this is a bed that you've made for yourself.
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- The new desk is possible because the calendar's success.
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- I was gonna let you start this one.
00:36:09
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- Oh, I was gonna let you start this one.
00:36:12
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- It's your topic, I don't really.
00:36:13
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- Yeah, but then I thought you could like
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introduce the topic and hand it to me.
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- Okay, all right, okay.
00:36:20
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- So you mentioned your new desk.
00:36:23
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That desk is inside of a structure called the PodCabin,
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which I named and you've stolen and never credited me.
00:36:31
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- No, it wasn't you?
00:36:32
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- Yeah, I came up with that.
00:36:33
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- I knew it came from the internet, but I wasn't sure who.
00:36:37
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- It was from me in our super secret text channel.
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Because I have the PodCastle here.
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- Do you, is that what it's called?
00:36:47
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- That's the structure that I have built
00:36:49
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inside of my studio was named on my Twitch stream as the PodCastle because they can see
00:36:54
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it behind me when I'm streaming. So this is like these huge blankets, these like soundproof
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blankets and things that I've got in this little cocoon that I'm in right now. Anyway,
00:37:05
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so the PodCabin, which and the reason that I named it as such is that your studio now
00:37:10
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looks like a cabin. Yes. Which is beautiful, it looks beautiful. How are you deciding to
00:37:17
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protect the incredibly expensive Mac collection that only you care about
00:37:23
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inside of that building. A dragon. Oh great do you want to move on? Yeah. Okay.
00:37:30
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Does it seem like it'd be a tech topic but there you go. It's technologically
00:37:36
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quite difficult to look after a dragon. It's not as hard as you would think you
00:37:39
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just put an air tag on them and listen for screaming and that's how you know
00:37:44
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where they went. Speaking of AirTags, we're gonna get back to this topic
00:37:48
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eventually but you started this. So I've installed iOS 15 on my phone now. I feel
00:37:52
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like now is the time to do it for me. And I was at the studio and I went out
00:37:59
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to get a coffee and my phone was like "Hey you left your bag behind!"
00:38:02
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Oh yeah. So this was my introduction to this new feature of AirTags and all
00:38:08
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devices letting you know when you leave the place where they are. So it's easy with home
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because it sets that up on its own. So if you leave your home, it's not going to say
00:38:21
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how you left your Mac at home. But because I have also this studio space where I also
00:38:26
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leave stuff. It's just good though because you can add this in and you can do it on a
00:38:31
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product by product basis or for all products where you're like don't tell me
00:38:35
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if I like don't don't alert me if I leave this place and haven't taken this
00:38:41
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product with me which is good so now like I've kind of said it so if I leave
00:38:45
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my iPhone at the studio it's gonna tell me how you left your iPhone studio but
00:38:48
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if I leave my backpack at the studio it's not gonna say hey you left your
00:38:51
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backpack at the studio it's a cool feature though so it's the idea you get
00:38:54
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disconnected from your air tag or a device that's in the find my app it's
00:38:58
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gonna be like hey you forgot it. Yeah I turned that off for the one that's in my
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truck because like I don't need to know when I go inside my house every time
00:39:05
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that my trucks on the street. The truck is gonna be a particularly difficult one
00:39:08
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because you're always leaving it and it's not in the right place. Every time
00:39:12
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you go in the grocery store it's like hey your Tacoma is parked at so-and-so I was
00:39:14
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like yeah I know I drove it there and I parked it there. I put a picture of the
00:39:19
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pod cabin in the show notes if you haven't seen it. You can see why it's called the pod cabin.
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It is very cabin-y. So I've had a Nest cameras for years really and I wanted one for this space
00:39:35
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looking out you know so if anyone approaches it I can let the dragon free and well the problem
00:39:41
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I had is I didn't want to have to drill into the new pod cabin to run power you know from the
00:39:48
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outside of the inside for a Nest camera because up until very recently all Nest cameras were
00:39:53
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hardwired to power.
00:39:54
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They didn't have a battery option for an exterior camera.
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But maybe like a month ago,
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they announced a battery powered exterior Nest camera.
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I thought, great, I can mount this thing
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on the outside of the building.
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I can keep an eye on things.
00:40:08
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I'm already in the Nest ecosystem.
00:40:10
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It's gonna work great.
00:40:12
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So ordered one, it came in.
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The install is really easy.
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You basically just put like this mounting plate
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on the building and then it attaches with magnets.
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Maybe it's too easy to install,
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but they say they'll replace it if it's stolen,
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so that's nice.
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- Oh, you can't lock it?
00:40:29
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- How long has the battery lost on these things?
00:40:31
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- Well, I don't know because it didn't stay up very long,
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which I'm getting to.
00:40:34
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- Okay, like you didn't notice it didn't say like,
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hey, this is a six month battery or whatever.
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I guess it's not even there.
00:40:39
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- No, it's a rechargeable thing
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and it comes with this little,
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kind of like a little MagSafe puck,
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actually, that it charges on.
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They may say on their website how long the battery is.
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So anyways, get it, set it up, install it,
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and right away realize that this new Nest camera
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doesn't work with the Nest app.
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- Which is like, I guess Google now considers a legacy.
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You have to use the new Google Home app.
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- For the new cameras.
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The problem is the Google Home app is bad.
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- It really lacks almost all the options and settings
00:41:17
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that are in the old Nest app.
00:41:18
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And this new camera doesn't even show up
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in the old Nest app.
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It has no idea this camera exists.
00:41:24
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It does seem like the Android version is farther along
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and Google for months now has made promises
00:41:29
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that it's going to make it feature parity with the Nest app
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and they haven't done it.
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So that was a real bummer.
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I was like, well, I don't wanna have one camera in one app
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and the other couple in another app.
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I was like, well, I'll just move everything
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into the home app and that's when I realized like,
00:41:45
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oh, it's lacking a lot of settings and control
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that I want to have.
00:41:48
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- The Google Home app.
00:41:49
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- The Google Home app, yes.
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All these companies have products the same name,
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it's very confusing.
00:41:55
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There's also some other issues,
00:41:57
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particularly with the new crop of Nest cameras.
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This one is 1080, not 4K,
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like some of the other Nest cameras are.
00:42:07
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I assume that's a battery life deal,
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it's like way less data to process.
00:42:12
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- Okay, makes sense.
00:42:13
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- There's also no web livestream,
00:42:15
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so on the wired Nest cameras,
00:42:17
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you can go to home.nest.com and look at your camera feed.
00:42:20
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Can't do that with this.
00:42:22
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- There's no way to manually pull clips for saving offline.
00:42:26
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- Well, I have to stop you a second.
00:42:28
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If you can't view it live, what is the point?
00:42:30
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- Right, exactly.
00:42:31
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You can view it live in the app, but not on the web.
00:42:34
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- Oh, okay, then that's not so much of a problem, okay.
00:42:37
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- Right, but this camera's not,
00:42:39
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so all the wired Nest cameras,
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you can have them running all the time,
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which is how mine are.
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So I can look back over the last 30 days
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and I have 24 hour coverage of like, say,
00:42:48
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looking out my front door.
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But this battery powered one doesn't do that.
00:42:52
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And so that was all, it was like,
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it was all just one bummer after another.
00:42:59
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And I sort of had this realization,
00:43:01
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I tweeted the other day, that I've never felt more punished
00:43:05
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for buying into an ecosystem than I do with Nest.
00:43:08
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Because they not only have been very slow
00:43:12
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to roll out new hardware,
00:43:14
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like almost every other company in this field
00:43:16
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has a battery powered exterior camera,
00:43:19
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which is like, it's great for outside, right?
00:43:21
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Like if, so you don't have to run power,
00:43:24
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like cut a hole in your house
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and run a cable through your attic, right?
00:43:27
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It's just very clean.
00:43:29
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- But they're super late to it.
00:43:31
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The new app, the new Google Home app
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is just not very useful.
00:43:36
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The Nest app, the old Nest app is cluttered,
00:43:39
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but at least everything's there that you could need.
00:43:42
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and they just keep promising that stuff is going to happen
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and it keeps not happening.
00:43:48
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And they don't necessarily even stand by their old products.
00:43:51
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So years ago they were gonna drop support
00:43:53
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for like the original Dropcam,
00:43:55
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which is what Nest started as,
00:43:58
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and I guess they got bought by, anyways.
00:44:00
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That was discontinued.
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The Secure, which I use in my office,
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like a keypad and motion sensors and stuff,
00:44:07
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also discontinued.
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And I just kind of realized like, why am I,
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Like I have a change to start over,
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like in this new, you know, expanded building.
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And why am I putting up with this ecosystem
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where like Google has just fumbled Nest so badly?
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- I mean, it's really pretty, pretty shocking
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how badly they've managed it.
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- Yeah, like the meta thing here is that like,
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Google tried a couple of times to do something with Nest.
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Like remember like Nest was a component of its own
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and they did thermostats.
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Then Google bought them and did a bunch of stuff with them
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and then tried to increase the offering.
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Then they decided they were going to integrate it
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into Google and then decided, no, that was a bad idea.
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We're gonna spin it back out as Nest again
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because people don't trust us with Google.
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Like that was one of the main reasons.
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It was like a brand thing.
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Like people didn't necessarily trust Google
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with their home security system.
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So then they put it back out into Nest again.
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And so they keep going around and around, but then you would ask yourself,
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why do they insist that you put all of the Nest products in the Google home app?
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Right. As you say, um, which is just really, that's just really frustrating,
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especially if they don't fully support all of the stuff new and old in the same
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Yeah, it is. It is definitely frustrating. And so, yeah,
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I kind of took the, you know, took, took all this in. I was like, you know what?
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I know like basically other people in my family
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are all using Ring stuff at home.
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I know you're using Ring in your studio.
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- I was like, well, let me give this a shot in the office.
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And I know like Ring is a very complicated company
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to talk about.
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They have the same problem Nest does
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that they're owned by a much bigger company
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that some people don't trust.
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They were really late to end to end encryption.
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They have had a lot of like political social issues
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with like data being reported to police departments.
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I know it's a complicated company to talk about.
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And I've only had this stuff for like four or five days,
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but going through the app, you can turn a bunch of that off.
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- It seems like these days, there isn't a tech company
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that doesn't report stuff to the police.
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- That's true.
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- This is just a thing that happens now.
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It's like the tech companies are as much
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a law enforcement as anybody else at this point.
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- We saw that with the CSAM stuff, with Apple, right?
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- Yes, that's one of the things
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I'm exactly referencing, right?
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Like that's what I'm thinking about.
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Whereas the you know in a lot of this stuff is like when it's done, right?
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It's the right thing to do the problem is it isn't always the right thing to do so it's very murky
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But in setting it up. It seems like you can you can really
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Customize the privacy stuff maybe a lot more than you used to be able to and so I picked up their
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combined outdoor
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Like outdoor spotlight thing you know it's like two lights and a camera in the middle. This is ring right ring. Yes
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- Yes, and the Bezos Lite, as I've called it.
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And it was really easy to set up.
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Their app is so customizable, you can really--
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- I would say to a fault.
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- It can be fiddly, I think.
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- It's pretty confusing sometimes to realize what,
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for me, so I have the full Ring security system.
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So it's got a hub, and I've got sensors
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for doors and windows and a couple of cameras,
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like the whole nine yards, right?
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Because that's what I wanted for the studio.
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I wanted like my own internet controlled security system.
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And when I was buying this,
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this was basically my only option for anything half decent.
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And I was not into this like, just get a home bridge bot.
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Like, no, right?
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'Cause I did try that once and it was a frigging disaster.
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But I wasn't gonna trust that with a security system.
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And plus I wanted the whole like monitoring system, you know, that you can get with these
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Especially one of the things I actually really like about Ring is the box has a 3G card in
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So if I lost power, it still can communicate.
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Yeah, it's got a battery as well.
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It's got a battery and 3G in it, which is just like, I think, you know, that whole like
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package I just think is really, is really interesting.
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I've forgotten my point now.
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I apologize.
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Uh, I don't know.
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But yeah, I mean,
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Oh, oh, oh, but when I was setting it up, it's like trying to get the cameras and when
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I want them to notify me and in what modes and stuff.
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Like it takes a while and there's still stuff that I'm not sure I got completely the way
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that I wanted.
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But on the flip side, you can also be very particular.
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So like I have a sensor on the back door in the studio, which will always sound the alarm,
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even if I'm in it.
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Like that should not ever go off.
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It should, because the door should never be opened.
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It all ties in really well to each other.
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And I agree with you, the app can be fiddly,
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but compared to something like the Google Home app,
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which has basically very few settings in it,
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is kind of a business of relief.
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So yeah, so I'm kind of going down this road,
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and I think over time,
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I will eventually replace the Nest stuff with Ring stuff.
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Stuff like this goes on sale.
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And so, for instance, my dad's whole house
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is outfitted with a ring.
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And he's like, when he was in Costco
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and they had a three pack of cameras or door sensors,
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he would just get them and add them, you know?
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So it is nice that you can kind of build it up over time.
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And so far I've been happy with it.
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Again, it's just out here in the studio,
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but even in this sort of limited test,
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it's been pretty good.
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- You got a little Echo thing too, right?
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Echo Show thing?
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It came with one of the, I think with the security,
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like the base station, the Echo Show 5,
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which is adorable.
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It is really adorable.
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It's like this little, it's like a smartphone Echo Show.
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And I could pull the camera feed up on it
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and I have the Echo Assistant,
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which I haven't had in a long time
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because we're all HomePod in the house
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and my family prefers that and I have a HomePod out here.
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But I was like, I would like something
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that I could just pull up the camera feed
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and just like keep an eye on it.
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you know if I'm expecting a delivery or no it that is cool like if I had
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extended cause all my security stuff here is internal right I don't have
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anything external if I had something external I would probably also want one
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of those so you could watch the camera feed whenever you wanted yeah and like
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again like I just want to underscore like a point that I think we're both
00:50:42
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trying to make like I know it is getting somewhat possible for you to like start
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stringing this stuff together on your own like I have a friend who just bought
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a bunch of those cameras they like the Arlo cameras the company that Anker owns you can get
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a whole thing and you can hook them all up I don't know if they have outside it might just be inside
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but you can like hook them all up and it's like you have it all stored locally and it can the app
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can ping you when there's motion detected and all that kind of stuff and it has no service to it
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and like if that's your bag go for it but that isn't always what people want and I don't want
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that I want there to be a service that is monitoring this place so that if I am
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not here or if I need the help or if like I don't answer the notification
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that someone can check on this and call the authorities if needed like yeah if
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this studio gets broken into I am in trouble yeah right like I have a lot of
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gear here it's worth a lot to me I want to have like a full-on thing okay so my
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the person I was talking about is out of themselves it was James Thompson he set
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up a family member's house and they have outside and inside cameras but the alo
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system and like I said like that is cool for you like if it's what you want but
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that's not what I want and yeah I want to I want to pay there are some things
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where I want to pay someone for it and this is one of those things. I want to pay and
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I want to pay a security company like a fee so that if something goes wrong we are under
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contract right like now you have to replace it repair it deal with it you know as opposed
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to me being the security administrator and the tech administrator and all that kind of
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Yeah I feel the same way about about my office space and you can do like you said some of
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this is coming to other places.
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I know David Sparks is big into like the home kit,
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secure video stuff, but I tend to think about this
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the way that you think about it.
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It's like, I want something watching over this, right?
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So I signed up for the thing and you can put
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an emergency contact in there.
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Like it's all really well thought through
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and that's really what kills me about Nest
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is like they were so early to this, right?
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I mean, you could buy Nest cams years,
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for years it was kind of like the only thing worth it on the market.
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And they just have let it all go.
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This is why Google bought them, right?
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Because they were doing something and they were making really good looking stuff
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that worked well and it was cool and people liked it. So Google were like,
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Oh, we'll take a slice of that. But so much as Google does,
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they buy something and they don't know what to do with it or they mess it up.
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So it has been disappointing to see that unfold,
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but trying this out and I'll probably check it back in, you know,
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down the road sometime but so far I've been really impressed with it. It's the
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Anker Eufy not Arlo. I don't know if Arlo is a thing or if I just made that up in my brain.
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Arlo is another camera company I believe. Okay, E-U-F-Y. Yeah that's what
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Sparks uses. Great. Yeah I mean I know that these have or at least will have
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the HomeKit thing but I also don't want to do that the HomeKit secure video
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thing. No it's it's I don't either and maybe it's better but last time I tried
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HomeKit camera because I have one of those Logi circles. Remember it was like one of the first
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ones I bought one to, and then we talked about it on the show, talk about lack of control over when
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things notify you. It was a nightmare and I've even thought like maybe I bring the Ring stuff in
00:54:20
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you know in via Homebridge but I don't even think I'm gonna do that. I think I'm just gonna let it
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kind of live in the Ring app. Don't man. It was a mess. I don't recommend it. I really don't. I
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I know people have had good experiences with Homebridge, but like I've had very bad experiences
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with Homebridge. You know, you just kind of got to wait yourself out a little bit longer,
00:54:39
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a couple of years or two, and it will all be accessible via that matter standard somehow.
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But like, you know, look, I have a bunch of HomeKit products here at the studio and at
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home. Every couple of days, one of them gets lost somewhere, right? Like no response on
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the light or like one device can't find one of my hue lights but the other
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device can. I'm not gonna trust my home security camera to the system. Like I'm
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not gonna do that. I don't trust that it will work well enough. You know it's like
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I asked my home pod turn off the lights and it's like oh I can't find the
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internet and then but then my iPhone I just pull my phone out and I can turn
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them off from the control center. It's like I don't trust this system enough to
00:55:23
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now say please watch over my home in case I'm burgled. I think that's totally
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So there's been a bit of hubbub around the next Apple Watch over the last few weeks.
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So we're going to talk about that, but we're going to start with like a bit of a refresher
00:57:36
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as to kind of like what we know or believe is going to be happening for the Apple Watch
00:57:42
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going forward. So back in June, actually starting in May, John Prosser reported that the Apple
00:57:48
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Watch would get flat sides, smaller bezels, and that there would be a green option for
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the Apple Watch Series 7. Then in June, Mark Gorman corroborated this with some of the
00:58:00
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basic stuff like it's going to have a faster chip, it's going to do some new things, and
00:58:05
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it's going to have smaller bezels, flat sides as part of a design refresh. Then some sites
00:58:11
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including MacRumors, got sent some images of a 45 millimeter Apple Watch band. So this
00:58:21
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sent a lot of people in some areas of the internet that I'm in into a bit of a tizzy,
00:58:26
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I'll say, as they were convinced that none of their Apple Watch bands were going to fit
00:58:30
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anymore. And so I would like to just give people a reminder of the way that this stuff
00:58:35
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So, remember we've already done this once, right? We went from, what was it, 42 to 44?
00:58:42
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It was 38, 42, and now 40, 44, I think.
00:58:48
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Is that right? The Discord will tell us if we're wrong about that. Apple Watch
00:58:51
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sizes are hard to remember.
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There's been millimeter changes, but what we're talking about,
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when Apple talks about the millimeter changes of the Apple Watch, it's the size of the screen,
00:59:02
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it's not the size of the watch.
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So what is most likely to occur here is the watch's physical size is not going to change
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So your bands won't need to be replaced
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But the screen is going to get bigger if they flatten out the edges
00:59:18
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Because what they're gonna do is they will just take like if you look at your Apple watch
00:59:22
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It will be basically what like what they did to the iPhone the iPhone used to have rounded edges
00:59:27
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What they did was they flatten the edges and expanded the screen out to get to that edge point, right?
00:59:32
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So kind of like the surface area of the iPhone screen or whatever went up, right?
00:59:37
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Because it no longer was dealing with like it being there and then the edges
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went around the side and it curves. It just flattened out and they brought the
00:59:45
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screen out. The same as what happened with the iMac, the same as what happened
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with the iPad and on and on and on. They're gonna do it with every other
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product they can. So your bands are gonna work. This is gonna be fun. You can take
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this. This is a Myke Hurley guarantee, right? Your bands are gonna be fine. I'm
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I'm willing to put my guarantee on the line here.
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Your bands are going to be fine.
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They're going to work.
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Then I'm going to change the sizes, physical sizes, the band
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attachments.
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But they are going to change the names of the watches again.
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So it will probably change to like 41 millimeters and 45
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millimeters, or 43 and 45, whatever.
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Yeah, 43 and 45 it will go to, rather than 42 and 44,
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which is what we have right now.
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And so, yeah, the screen's going to get bigger.
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So that will-- but I will say your watch will look bigger.
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When you look at your watch, it's going to look larger because the face is going to be larger.
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And this is again similar to how just watch design is done in general.
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You know, you say this is a 42mm watch. It's measuring the watch face.
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What goes around, the adornments around the watch face are not included in the size.
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This is the same as phones, right?
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You know, we talk about like, this one is 6.7 inches.
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we're talking about the screen, you know, like if there's additional stuff around the
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outside this is not the size and this again, right, iPads are the same, Macs are the same,
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we talk about them in their screen sizes, but their physical dimensions are typically
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bigger than their screen sizes, right, it's not like it gets to the edge of the screen
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and then the thing just stops. So that's what's going to happen to the Apple Watch. 9to5Mac
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some renders of what they think this could look like and it made me realize, I've been
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thinking about this, it is the Apple Watch is very overdue a design change, very, very
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Yeah, it's basically the same as day one.
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It hasn't changed.
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Yeah, I mean they made the screens bigger.
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But that's it, that's not a design change, right?
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No, it's still the Airstream trailer sort of vibe.
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footprint and like the the like the way it looks the round chunky edges like to
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me it feels incredibly dated at this point I mean it's old it's like 2015
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this thing was shown off like this is old now it's like seven years old nearly
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six years seven years old and I kind of like I don't mean this to be mean but
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like when I look at it now it feels like kind of like Fisher price to me
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compared to the rest of Apple's other products. It isn't sleek, it feels chunky
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and like rounded and like like it's a safety watch right like it's meant to
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bounce or something you know like it's got that kind of look to me now. I was
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when I was thinking about was preparing for today's episode I was actually
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genuinely really surprised that it's taken them this long before they've
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changed the physical design of the Apple Watch. Yeah I mean if you look at what
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has changed, it's been finishes and it's actually on a hair thicker. And as you
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say the screen size has changed. Little bits and bobs have changed but like the
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overall silhouette has remained the same. Yeah and I think for what it's worth these
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renders which we can get into it's basically bringing the flat side design
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of the iPad Pro and the iPhone 12, bring that to the Apple Watch and I think the
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combination of that and smaller bezels it's really gonna make this watch feel a
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lot more a lot more modern and I think I think looking at this if this is how
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they go the old one is gonna look really old to basically everybody else right
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like I agree with you but I think most people don't just look at it as an Apple
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watch is what it is but this is gonna really change change it up in terms of
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how it looks and I think how it feels on your on your wrist potentially too even
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if it isn't actually thinner, things with flat sides tend to look thinner, I think.
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Because you... Yeah, I think one of the reports actually
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suggested it will be like a little bit thicker, but not in such a way that you would notice.
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Because right now, like if you look like I'm looking at my watch sort of head on, you...
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your eyes kind of follow the curve to the surface, and it's hard to define, okay, when
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am I on the side and then when am I on the top, right? And so, yeah, I'm excited about
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I'm curious you are more into watches than I am. What do you feel about the flat sides?
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Like do you like that look? Oh for a watch you think it'd be weird feeling like, you know, what do you watch is have them?
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Right, like regular watches don't have like these big curvy sides to them like and I know people are concerned
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They're like, oh, it's gonna stab me like don't worry like you're gonna be fine
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Like this is what watches look like they they have the face and then it goes down and then it comes to the bottom and
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there'll be different chamfers and you know there'll be some with different
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platforms and stuff but every watch that I own has what I would consider to be
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flat sides like that Draplin watch that you own yeah the edges are flat on it I
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mean the watch is round right but the edges are flat on the sides because it's
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sleek that way you don't have more case than you need around the edge of the
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watch neither do you you know and a lot of watches have bezels but that's like a
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design rather than required, right, in a lot of cases. So like I think that this
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is going to be a much nicer looking watch. I do not believe it will be
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uncomfortable to wear. I know that people wouldn't be sure about that and I get it.
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Like if you've if the main watch that you've won in your life, which could be
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many of our listeners, is an Apple watch, this isn't going to be in my opinion any
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less comfortable, right? Like I move from watch to watch and I never feel like any
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any of my watches with flat asides are like digging into
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me or whatever. So you know I think that's going to be really
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fine like do not worry about that and I think this looks
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much sleeker. I think it's going to look potentially more
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like computer watch than ever before, but they're never
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going to get away from that. So they may as well lean into it
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like from in my perspective. They will not get away from
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this for as long as they refuse to make a circular one like
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That is when they can actually make the Apple Watch look like a watch, I think, because
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I think that Samsung's watches look like watches.
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Yeah, they do.
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That are also computers because they're round.
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I think that that I think it's a big difference.
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This is always going to look like a tiny phone because phones are square and that rectangular,
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So it's going to have that look to it.
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But I think that this look is a much needed refresh.
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refresh like you know obviously these renders aren't how it's gonna look but I
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would be very confident it's gonna look really close to this so this is the
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thing that I am most jazzed about when thinking about a new Apple watch is a
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new industrial design because watches are fashion right and Apple knows this
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because they give you new colors and new bands and new finishes every year and so
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it is now in thinking about it which I have been for quite a bit over the last
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few days preparing for this episode I am really surprised that we have never seen
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a different case design yeah we've maybe had like two or three redesigns of the
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iPhone in that time three I mean really I mean well two if you count if you just
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talk about sides because it came out the same time as the iPhone 6 but since then
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we had the iPhone 10 right and then the 12 and so yeah so - yeah and I wonder -
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for so long, I think it's less true now,
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but in the beginning at least,
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every new watch was so much better
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than the one before it, right?
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Speed-wise, like, I don't know the last time
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you used an original Apple Watch,
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but it is unbelievably slow in hindsight.
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And having that to deal with,
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I just, I wonder if this was something
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that maybe they felt like, we can't really do this
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until we are further along with the technology inside of it.
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- Yeah, I think you're right.
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They were focusing on the things
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that they immediately needed to focus on
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and not having to design new internals
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to fit a new case design every couple of years
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probably helped them get the watch
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to the point that it's at now, right?
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It's one less thing to have to think about.
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Like you just know this is the size,
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these are the dimensions,
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this is what we have to play with.
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But I think that the Apple Watch Series 6
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to me, shown that they have run out of ideas for now,
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because I don't really feel like the Apple Watch Series 6
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was a meaningful upgrade over the 5.
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In the way that I think every watch had been before that one,
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I think it was the first one where it was like,
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I don't really know what they're selling me here.
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It just doesn't really make sense to me.
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There's a product that I would feel like
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I would need to upgrade to,
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even from the Series 4 watch.
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Because the Series 5 made sense,
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and if you didn't go for the Series 5,
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I don't know why you would then go for the Series 6, right?
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So I think maybe now, now is time, right?
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With Series 7, you can redesign.
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Because especially there's a Wall Street Journal report
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talking about Series 8 and beyond,
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so the 2022 and beyond watch.
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So they're targeting for Series 8
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to have more sleep tracking features
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to detect different sleep patterns and sleep apnea.
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Apple is still working on a blood pressure sensor.
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Now, this is something that Samsung's most recent watches
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And it's obviously not as good as a proper blood pressure
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monitor where you put in the cuff on and stuff.
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But there are these electro wave patterns
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that you can use that if you get a baseline from somebody
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taking a reading on a proper machine
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and you input that baseline, it can calibrate it and then
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can do some sensing.
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I don't know if this is what Apple is going to do, but maybe.
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But blood pressure is one thing.
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Blood glucose monitoring is something
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they're still working on.
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Put them on a thermometer in the Apple Watch
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to help with fertility planning.
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They don't know when these are going to appear,
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but these are the areas that Apple's focusing on for health.
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And the Series 7, so this year's watch,
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is currently not expected to have
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any new health-related sensors.
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- So it's a new design driving the--
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- It feels like that they will use this as a year to say,
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"Hey, here's the new design.
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"That's what we're doing with the Apple Watch."
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And then adding fuel to the fire,
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there have been rumors over the past few days
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from Nikkei in Asia, corroborated by Bloomberg,
01:10:15
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that there could be potential delays or shipment constraints,
01:10:18
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probably both, for this new Apple Watch
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as they are having some issues adjusting
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to the new design and manufacturer.
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I expect now, if this is the case,
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that we'll probably see the Apple Watch in October
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along with new Macs rather than September with new iPhones.
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And don't forget, last year was the first year
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that, and it set a precedent,
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the Apple Watch came out before the iPhone.
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Remember that?
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They had the Apple Watch and iPad event first, then they had the iPhone event after that,
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and then they had a Mac event after that in the fall.
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I don't remember if it came out, but it was at least shown off.
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So I could imagine them releasing the iPhone in September and maybe the Apple Watch a little
01:11:01
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bit later if it's not ready.
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Last year was also the iPad Air, and it didn't ship for a month until...
01:11:08
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Yeah, I mean, who knows what the...
01:11:09
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Because it needed...
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What was it?
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The iPad Air had the chip that the iPhone was going to get, right?
01:11:14
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And then also it needed iOS 13.
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So yeah, the timeline definitely, it could be like the iPad is like, "Oh, we have a new
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watch and then it'll ship next month, right?
01:11:24
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The phone is sooner."
01:11:25
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I mean, who knows?
01:11:27
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I do think though, even if it's not a big change from a health sensor angle, you know,
01:11:36
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if people are buying an Apple Watch every three or four years, they're going to scoop
01:11:40
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up people who are on the Series 4, right?
01:11:43
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Maybe you had an original or a series one or two,
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you bought it when it got bigger,
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and now you're in the market again
01:11:48
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and you'll do a new design, right?
01:11:50
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And so maybe from that perspective,
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if you count the larger screen as a reason to upgrade,
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and I think it definitely could be,
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then having this now I think makes maybe a little more sense
01:12:03
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than waiting until you can also cram in
01:12:06
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a bunch of new sensors, right?
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Because-- - Oh, for sure, yeah.
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- And also you have the expectation
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and putting a watch out every year.
01:12:13
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And so you gotta be able to do that.
01:12:16
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- I think this was an upgrade somebody asked this question
01:12:19
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about like, should the watch still be
01:12:21
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a year over year product?
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And I think that we might start approaching the point soon
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where it might become more tricky for them to do that.
01:12:29
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- I mean, if you talk about low hanging fruit,
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there's not a ton of that left.
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And so I could see it becoming an 18 months thing.
01:12:38
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- There's a lot of plans, right?
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like all these sensors would be amazing,
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but they're really hard to do and to do well.
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And the ramifications are much higher
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because you're dealing with people's health.
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So it can be, you know, you've got to get it right.
01:12:53
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But yeah, I think that it would make sense.
01:12:55
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I think this would be a big product
01:12:57
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that people would want because of the design.
01:13:01
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As for the exact reason that you mentioned earlier
01:13:03
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that people would see it
01:13:04
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and it would make their Apple watches look really old.
01:13:07
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- Yeah, for something you wear every day,
01:13:09
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that's, like you said, it's a fashion thing.
01:13:13
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And so I could see this if this design comes to pass,
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and I hope it does, I think it looks fantastic,
01:13:19
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that this could be a pretty big Apple Watch cycle.
01:13:23
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- Considering we're talking about the Apple Watch today,
01:13:25
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I have some assorted thoughts about the Apple Watch
01:13:29
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that I would like to share.
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- So I've been wearing an Apple Watch every day
01:13:32
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for like the last couple of months, maybe a bit longer,
01:13:37
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because I've been working on some health related stuff
01:13:40
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and the Apple Watch is part of making it work.
01:13:43
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It's helping me be accountable for steps and activity
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and it's also helping me just like push myself
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to do some extra stuff, like make some different choices
01:13:55
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in the essence of trying to fill up my exercise ring
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or my activity ring or whatever.
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So I've been wearing the watch for that.
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My biggest complaint with the watch
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is the design, like the design of the watch itself
01:14:10
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and the design of the watch faces.
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This will, the watch faces I feel like this will be a thing
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that I will never be happy with.
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I'm never gonna be happy with watch faces
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because I have just issues with like,
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I feel like they're both not watchy enough
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and not computery enough depending on what I want, right?
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Like I never feel like I'm gonna be happy with that.
01:14:31
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I honestly think the only way to solve this problem
01:14:34
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is for Apple to let other people design watch faces.
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I feel like it's the only way that I'm ever gonna be happy
01:14:40
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because then you'll have way more choice.
01:14:41
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I think that watch face design
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shouldn't be constrained just to Apple.
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I genuinely believe this, this is not an original thought,
01:14:50
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but I don't buy,
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I would never buy just one company's watches
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if I was buying watches
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'cause I wanna choose the designs that I like
01:15:00
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and they may be in a design period,
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say if you choose like I don't own a Rolex but I'll just say Rolex but I
01:15:07
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don't really like Rolexes personally but I've just picked Rolex as a watch
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brand that people know. If Rolex are in a like a they've been designing watches
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for like a couple of years and they've gone into a design pattern that I'm not
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a fan of I won't keep buying Rolexes I will go and look at what else is
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available on the market right like maybe I go and look at Omega instead right
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With Apple there's the kind of nothing you can do if you want an Apple watch.
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So they ripped for... I honestly think for me to be ever to be happy with watch
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face design it has to come with third parties designing those watch faces as
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well because then lots more people's point of view can be expressed in this
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design area then what Apple is doing. So that's that but then just the
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physical design of the watch I'm unhappy with but I already spoke about that
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there's one other thing I wanted to share it's just like a real frustration
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for me so do you use do you use the Apple watch for workouts yeah okay do
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you have to use the workout app apples walk out sir yeah why do I have to see
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the time to walk thing at the top I think you can turn that off if you can
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please somebody tell me because I don't know how to get rid of it this is Apple
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as part of Fitness Plus, it's time to walk, right?
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They have these sessions and at the top of the workouts app.
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I don't want them.
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I don't need them.
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And the thing that frustrates me the most about this
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is the rest of the workout options in the workouts app,
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they sort themselves based on recency.
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So, you know, like the things that you do the most
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or do most often go to the top,
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but except for time to walk, which is always number one.
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And it infuriates me because this is like, you know,
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one of those things where like Apple is making my experience worse
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to try and sell me something that I already pay them for.
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I'm already a Fitness Plus customer
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because I'm in the premium Apple One whatever thing.
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So they don't need to keep showing me this.
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Like I can go and find it.
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Like I can go and get it if I want that.
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But I don't need to see the time to walk stuff
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at the top of the workout app on the Apple Watch constantly.
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It is not something that I require.
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So I find it, this is one of those things,
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I find it so frustrating,
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especially 'cause of the way Apple Watch design works.
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It's basically the entire UI available to me.
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I have to scroll past it every single time
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to start a workout.
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So that is just a frustration I wanna share.
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If somebody knows how to get rid of this on the Apple Watch,
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please tell me.
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I don't know how to get rid of it,
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and it's driving me mad.
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- Yeah, I was trying to scroll through.
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Maybe I made that up.
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I think you may have made that up because I have I have spent a lot of time.
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Swipe left to delete it on the watch, says Alex.
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Is that a thing you can do?
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What? And then it's just never going to come up again?
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Oh, it's deleted.
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That was it.
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That is so stupid.
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Thank you, Alex.
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Why did I do this?
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Especially if you already paid for it.
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It's like, just let me get it in the activity app.
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I don't know why it's in the workout app. Alex, thank you so much. You have just made my life better.
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Because Apple was trying to make it more annoying because for some reason they wanted me to listen to Naomi Campbell as I walk around and I don't really know why.
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Because I don't do this stuff. Like I don't take these outside walks and...
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Because you know what I'll do? I'll listen to a podcast of my own choosing by people that I genuinely do care about as opposed to random celebrities.
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Like telling me a story because they got paid to tell me a story.
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Some personal news, I've been contacted by Apple to do a "Walking with Steven" but I guess you won't listen.
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No I won't listen to it because it's you've sold out.
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Podcam is not gonna pay for itself.
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That's true. Well calendars paid for that.
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Big money hack it.
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But okay so I will remove 50% of my complaint because it is removable.
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But the point that I've had to deal with it all this time because there isn't an obvious way to get rid of it
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was really annoying for me.
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So luckily, Alex is better than Apple UI Design
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because I should have just been offered the ability
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to make it show rather than it being pushed in my face
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in my opinion. - Well, you know,
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Apple likes to be pushy about its services
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and then hide all of its controls now,
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so you wandered into the perfect storm.
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So are you wearing it every day, just days you work out?
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- Nope, every day.
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- Every day, yeah, me too.
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- Not particularly happy about it, but I'm doing it.
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- Yeah, I went about a year, or maybe less than a year,
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maybe like nine months without it and you know put it back on and I enjoy the
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other stuff beyond the fitness stuff too so I think I'm in the market if there's
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a flat sided Apple watch get that and I think I think it's gonna be pretty cool
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yeah I'm very keen to have a brighter always-on display yes which was
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something that came with the previous model, the 6. I like the always on display. I think
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it was a necessary needed thing. The thing that I'm really just bummed out about is I
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really want the ceramic one. I want a ceramic one and I'm not convinced that they will make
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a ceramic one. But that's what I want. I don't want any of the metal finishes that Apple
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I don't want any of the colored ones and so I don't really want just like one of
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their metal finishes but I figure it's probably all I'm gonna have available to
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me unless they keep the cadence up yeah every couple of years going back to
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ceramic but I really like the white ceramic it's it's my favorite design
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that they've ever done on the Apple watch I'm not gonna buy a green one I'm
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not gonna buy a blue one I don't really understand like for me personally I
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I would never buy a color Apple watch like that. Is it gonna be neutral? Like I consider white to go with everything basically
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It would be weird I think for me to want to wear a red watch
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Every single day with everything that I own
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Clothes wise be peculiar. I didn't agree and I've seen the red one in person
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I like the way that it looks but I
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Look, I wouldn't want to do it every day for the reasons you said I mean, yeah
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I've either always done, well I've done stainless steel, I've done the dark aluminum, and I've
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done the titanium, and you know, I'll stay within those lanes.
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It's most likely I'd probably end up going with one of the dark colored ones, if they
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don't offer ceramic.
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And I would probably get ceramic in whatever they, like if they didn't do white ceramic
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and they did like a gray ceramic or whatever, I'd probably go back to that.
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I also just really like the way that the ceramic Apple Watch feels, it's a good balance of
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weight and stuff I find it very comfortable and it's also it looks good
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with the sport band when if I did if I had a metal one I wouldn't wear a sport
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band so then we got to go back into back into the band pool again yeah I mean I
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think you I think you can I mean I've worn the stainless steel I know I know
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like lots of people do I'm just talking about like for me personally like if I'm
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gonna have an Apple Apple watch then I'm probably also gonna want to get a metal
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band for it or a leather band then I'm gonna get different bands when I walk
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And I'm really not into the loops.
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Oh yeah, I'm not either.
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I don't want that.
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I know people like them.
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I don't really care for them personally.
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More than anything, like more than any other product that they make, I mean they made it,
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they said it at the time, it was a selling point, it is the most personal product.
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Which I actually do applaud them for not changing the Apple Watch band connectors.
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Like they got to resist that as long as is actually possible.
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Like maybe forever, like don't ever change the connector because you
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encourage people to build up this collection of stuff.
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In a way it's even worse than like changing the connector on the iPhone or
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Oh yeah. Cause it's just a cable. You get new ones, you know?
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But if you've got 18 watch bands over the course of what, six years,
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it's not fantastic. All right. Well, I think that's it.
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