Connected

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00:00:02 ◼   ► Hello and welcome to Connected, episode 365.

00:00:13 ◼   ► It's made possible by our sponsors,

00:00:14 ◼   ► Instabug, Discourse and Hover.

00:00:17 ◼   ► My name is Stephen Hackett and I'm joined

00:00:19 ◼   ► by Mr. Myke Hurley.

00:00:21 ◼   ► TV OS review, it's coming today.

00:00:23 ◼   ► Big day, big, big day.

00:00:25 ◼   ► Really?

00:00:26 ◼   ► The whole hour dedicated to it.

00:00:29 ◼   ► Get ready, get ready, strap in.

00:00:32 ◼   ► It's gonna be a big one.

00:00:33 ◼   ► - Wow.

00:00:34 ◼   ► - We're also joined by Mr. Federico Fatici.

00:00:36 ◼   ► - Hello, it's me.

00:00:38 ◼   ► - Hello, it's you.

00:00:39 ◼   ► - TV OS review listener.

00:00:42 ◼   ► - Kinda sewer.

00:00:43 ◼   ► - Yes.

00:00:44 ◼   ► - Everyone's into it.

00:00:45 ◼   ► Just a talkin' to town.

00:00:46 ◼   ► - I'm waiting for it.

00:00:48 ◼   ► - It's not happening yet.

00:00:49 ◼   ► We have follow up to do first.

00:00:50 ◼   ► - Okay, okay.

00:00:52 ◼   ► - We do, just off the top, I just wanted to mention

00:00:55 ◼   ► that iOS 15.1 beta 2 fixes the Apple Watch unlock bug with iPhone 13 users are seeing.

00:01:04 ◼   ► I'm seeing it, my wife's seeing it, she was like...

00:01:06 ◼   ► What is this follow up to?

00:01:08 ◼   ► It was like a, it was a thing that didn't have a place to live so I just stuck it in

00:01:10 ◼   ► follow up.

00:01:11 ◼   ► I'm going to be John Siracusa and you're going to be Casey Litz. You haven't read the document.

00:01:15 ◼   ► Look two bullet points down.

00:01:17 ◼   ► iOS 15.1.

00:01:18 ◼   ► Yeah?

00:01:19 ◼   ► Yeah, well no one cares about SharePlay.

00:01:20 ◼   ► It says big fixes.

00:01:22 ◼   ► Like big fixes.

00:01:23 ◼   ► Big fixes!

00:01:24 ◼   ► Shush.

00:01:25 ◼   ► Don't worry about the spelling mistakes. Look, bug fixes like watch face unlock.

00:01:29 ◼   ► Watch slash face.

00:01:31 ◼   ► You say, "I put it in a document."

00:01:32 ◼   ► Unlock.

00:01:33 ◼   ► Yeah, but you know what that means.

00:01:35 ◼   ► I can't believe you didn't read Myke's notes, Steven.

00:01:38 ◼   ► It's disgraceful.

00:01:39 ◼   ► I added it on my phone. I probably just didn't scroll down far enough.

00:01:41 ◼   ► Anyway, Safari 15 extensions. Let's talk about that.

00:01:44 ◼   ► [laughter]

00:01:46 ◼   ► Over on this little website called...

00:01:49 ◼   ► I think I'm pronouncing this right.

00:01:51 ◼   ► MacStories.

00:01:52 ◼   ► MacStories.

00:01:53 ◼   ► MacStories.

00:01:54 ◼   ► stories. The one true John has put together a nice roundup of cool

00:02:00 ◼   ► Safari 15 extensions so far. I gotta say there's a lot more out here than I

00:02:05 ◼   ► thought there were already. I'm excited to see developers going after it so

00:02:09 ◼   ► quickly. The one thing I was struck by with the list that John put together is

00:02:15 ◼   ► it was like there's lots but there like it's like four categories and but

00:02:19 ◼   ► there's like three or four different things in each of the four categories

00:02:21 ◼   ► but they just found funny. I don't know if that's like a "this is kind of the best stuff

00:02:27 ◼   ► you can do of extensions" or it's like "these are the low-hanging fruit" so like a bunch

00:02:31 ◼   ► of people made a similar kind of thing, you know, like "here's four dark mode things,

00:02:35 ◼   ► here's five like amp blockers", you know, and then my assumption will be it will move

00:02:42 ◼   ► on from there. I think I saw that, is it "ampsplosion" was the one we were talking about, it was

00:02:46 ◼   ► like number one in the app store or something?

00:02:48 ◼   ► - Yes, in the utilities category, I think, for top paid,

00:02:53 ◼   ► which is a-- - But that's wild.

00:02:55 ◼   ► - It's a popular category, so yes, that's wild.

00:02:58 ◼   ► And there's all kinds of extensions to block Google AMP,

00:03:03 ◼   ► and I think it's a case of developers

00:03:05 ◼   ► seeing this opportunity and different people

00:03:09 ◼   ► having the same ideas over the summer.

00:03:11 ◼   ► I tested another one, Over AMP is also another one.

00:03:16 ◼   ► So yeah, I think now--

00:03:16 ◼   ► Noire has been doing really well too.

00:03:18 ◼   ► Like here in the UK, it's number 15 overall in paid apps.

00:03:23 ◼   ► Yeah, I'm using it on my phone, it's great.

00:03:25 ◼   ► It's a good extension.

00:03:26 ◼   ► Yeah, I think as time goes on, we should see more,

00:03:31 ◼   ► I don't wanna say interesting

00:03:33 ◼   ► because these extensions are interesting already,

00:03:35 ◼   ► but like more diverse ideas

00:03:38 ◼   ► in terms of what can you do with Safari now?

00:03:40 ◼   ► And it should be fun.

00:03:42 ◼   ► Well, because the last week has proven

00:03:44 ◼   ► that there's a market for Safari extensions, it turns out.

00:03:48 ◼   ► So, I mean, you know, this isn't widgets,

00:03:52 ◼   ► but it's something, you know?

00:03:54 ◼   ► So like people maybe have new ideas

00:03:56 ◼   ► or I think the other thing that I find interesting about it

00:04:00 ◼   ► is different types of developers, right?

00:04:04 ◼   ► So like, I would imagine a lot of people that are doing this

00:04:09 ◼   ► they're like used to making web extensions

00:04:11 ◼   ► and that's like a different type of developer

00:04:13 ◼   ► who's now able to maybe do something on the App Store as well.

00:04:15 ◼   ► iOS 15.1 is in beta,

00:04:20 ◼   ► brings SharePlay and also bug fixes like the...

00:04:24 ◼   ► -No way. -Yeah.

00:04:25 ◼   ► -Really? -Like the Apple Watch

00:04:28 ◼   ► and Face ID unlock thing.

00:04:29 ◼   ► -First time I'm hearing of this. -Yeah.

00:04:31 ◼   ► -Wow. -First, you know, I'm in the comments now.

00:04:34 ◼   ► -First. -First.

00:04:35 ◼   ► First, yeah, so there's bug fixes.

00:04:38 ◼   ► Federico, you're running...

00:04:40 ◼   ► Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey.

00:04:43 ◼   ► - What? - You didn't read the document.

00:04:44 ◼   ► You skipped over my OS 9 follow-up.

00:04:47 ◼   ► - Oh, 'cause I don't care about it.

00:04:48 ◼   ► - We talked about-- - I do not care

00:04:50 ◼   ► about where the puzzle piece comes from.

00:04:52 ◼   ► I don't care.

00:04:53 ◼   ► I don't care.

00:04:54 ◼   ► It's a bad icon.

00:04:55 ◼   ► It's the same as like,

00:04:56 ◼   ► I think I was talking about this in the Discord.

00:04:58 ◼   ► - You also didn't read whatever it, look, look.

00:05:00 ◼   ► OS 9 and other earlier versions of Mac OS

00:05:03 ◼   ► use puzzle pieces as they load extensions

00:05:05 ◼   ► on the startup screen.

00:05:06 ◼   ► Those puzzle pieces look better than what's in Safari.

00:05:08 ◼   ► OS 9 had better puzzle pieces.

00:05:10 ◼   ► - What, where do you see the puzzle pieces?

00:05:12 ◼   ► - You understand, Stephen, I don't care about OS9

00:05:16 ◼   ► or puzzle pieces.

00:05:17 ◼   ► - Yeah, but it's bad, you have to look at it

00:05:19 ◼   ► in Safari every day.

00:05:20 ◼   ► And you can just think,

00:05:21 ◼   ► "I wish we could have better puzzle pieces."

00:05:23 ◼   ► - Which one is the better puzzle piece?

00:05:26 ◼   ► - The OS9 ones.

00:05:27 ◼   ► - Where, where am I looking?

00:05:28 ◼   ► - Look at the tweet I put in the show notes.

00:05:30 ◼   ► - They don't even look like puzzle pieces.

00:05:32 ◼   ► They don't look like puzzle pieces.

00:05:34 ◼   ► - They're terrible!

00:05:34 ◼   ► - Yeah, they actually look less like puzzle pieces.

00:05:38 ◼   ► If this was a puzzle,

00:05:40 ◼   ► None of the pieces would stay together in this puzzle.

00:05:42 ◼   ► Like they don't interlock in any way.

00:05:45 ◼   ► Like this, that is actually a terrible puzzle piece.

00:05:47 ◼   ► - I mean, that's kind of a good description of Mac OS 9

00:05:51 ◼   ► on a meta scale, but.

00:05:52 ◼   ► - This joke is completely lost on the two of us.

00:05:55 ◼   ► Hence why, like OS 9, I don't care about it.

00:05:58 ◼   ► If my understanding is nobody did.

00:06:00 ◼   ► I don't know.

00:06:01 ◼   ► - What is OS 9?

00:06:02 ◼   ► Why are we?

00:06:05 ◼   ► - I don't know.

00:06:06 ◼   ► Unfortunately, we have to talk about this now.

00:06:09 ◼   ► Are we done with OS 9 now?

00:06:10 ◼   ► - I have some breaking news.

00:06:12 ◼   ► - Okay, please.

00:06:13 ◼   ► - OS 9.5 is out.

00:06:15 ◼   ► (laughing)

00:06:16 ◼   ► - iOS 15.1 includes bug fixes

00:06:20 ◼   ► for unlocking your Face ID phone.

00:06:22 ◼   ► - Whoa!

00:06:23 ◼   ► - Oh, that's so good. - Really?

00:06:25 ◼   ► - I've been struggling with this

00:06:26 ◼   ► with my Apple Watch and the Face ID.

00:06:28 ◼   ► - It is actually an annoying bug.

00:06:30 ◼   ► - It's really annoying.

00:06:31 ◼   ► It sounds so frustrated by it.

00:06:34 ◼   ► - How is it broken?

00:06:35 ◼   ► Like what?

00:06:36 ◼   ► - I don't know.

00:06:37 ◼   ► this is one of those bugs that's inconsistent, right?

00:06:40 ◼   ► Like I know people who it's working for

00:06:42 ◼   ► and people it's broken for, and it isn't everybody.

00:06:45 ◼   ► And it seems like it has kind of nothing to do

00:06:48 ◼   ► with how you transfer from phone to phone.

00:06:51 ◼   ► Like it just seems to be quite random.

00:06:54 ◼   ► So I don't know.

00:06:55 ◼   ► I feel like on this show,

00:06:58 ◼   ► we've asked the question a couple of times,

00:07:00 ◼   ► where's Johnny Ive?

00:07:01 ◼   ► So we know that he had a multi-year partnership with Airbnb

00:07:05 ◼   ► and then went quiet.

00:07:06 ◼   ► Now he has a multi-year partnership with Ferrari.

00:07:10 ◼   ► - Okay.

00:07:11 ◼   ► - They are going to be quote,

00:07:13 ◼   ► well they will be to explore projects in luxury business,

00:07:16 ◼   ► in the luxury business.

00:07:18 ◼   ► I don't think Johnny's gonna design a car.

00:07:20 ◼   ► Like I do not think that that's what they're gonna do

00:07:23 ◼   ► because there are a lot of people who I am pretty sure

00:07:26 ◼   ► can design better cars than Johnny Ive

00:07:28 ◼   ► 'cause Johnny Ive has not designed a car

00:07:32 ◼   ► which is driven on the road.

00:07:34 ◼   ► But Ferrari does lots of things.

00:07:36 ◼   ► and they are a luxury brand in many ways.

00:07:38 ◼   ► Like, you know, just the Ferrari brand is a thing.

00:07:42 ◼   ► Honestly, I think the whole thing about Love From

00:07:45 ◼   ► is a bunch of companies who have some money

00:07:47 ◼   ► and kind of want Johnny Ive to be around a little bit.

00:07:50 ◼   ► - Yeah, it's gonna make the cup holder for a Ferrari

00:07:52 ◼   ► and it's gonna say this is the best cup holder

00:07:54 ◼   ► you've ever seen.

00:07:55 ◼   ► - Yeah, I told my wife, you know, about this,

00:07:58 ◼   ► she said, "Oh, he'll probably design the interface

00:08:00 ◼   ► "that goes inside of the Ferrari car."

00:08:02 ◼   ► I was like, "Yeah, that could make sense."

00:08:03 ◼   ► Right, like he helps design the software or--

00:08:05 ◼   ► luggage, you know, all the stuff you get with your--

00:08:08 ◼   ► - The rich Corinthian leather on the seats.

00:08:12 ◼   ► - It's gonna make a button-less key fob,

00:08:15 ◼   ► and it's gonna say this is the best key fob you've ever seen

00:08:17 ◼   ► and it doesn't have anything, it's just a piece of plastic.

00:08:19 ◼   ► - This is the pure essence of a key fob.

00:08:22 ◼   ► - When you think of a key fob, what is the essence of it?

00:08:26 ◼   ► - This just smooth, chamfered edge.

00:08:29 ◼   ► All of the cars are gonna be chamfered.

00:08:31 ◼   ► Every edge on a Ferrari is gonna be chamfered now,

00:08:33 ◼   ► so look forward to that.

00:08:34 ◼   ► You will not even be able to open the door because it's just gonna slide right out of your hands.

00:08:38 ◼   ► [Laughter]

00:08:40 ◼   ► It's such a smooth subject.

00:08:41 ◼   ► It's completely smooth.

00:08:43 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:08:44 ◼   ► Yes, as Myke says in the Discord, it's unapologetically smooth.

00:08:49 ◼   ► [Laughter]

00:08:50 ◼   ► I love how he used to say that. It's such a funny thing to say. It's like unapologetic.

00:08:54 ◼   ► Like, what is apologising to me?

00:08:57 ◼   ► It was the 5C, I think, unapologetically plastic.

00:09:00 ◼   ► It's like when I make a typo in one of my stories, I say, this is unapologetically incorrect.

00:09:05 ◼   ► You know, I own my mistake.

00:09:06 ◼   ► Sorry, I'm plastic.

00:09:07 ◼   ► That's what other phones say.

00:09:09 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:09:10 ◼   ► Maybe he reaches further back in his history and the new Ferrari is like clear acrylic.

00:09:16 ◼   ► You know, he goes back to his early 2000s.

00:09:19 ◼   ► That would be sick.

00:09:21 ◼   ► If they did that, Ferrari would sell a billion cars.

00:09:25 ◼   ► Right?

00:09:26 ◼   ► Because look, you know, Ferraris are beautiful machines and they are also,

00:09:31 ◼   ► and I would expect a lot of instances, bought by people who want to show off, right?

00:09:35 ◼   ► Wouldn't it be amazing to show off your car being see-through?

00:09:40 ◼   ► That's a pretty baller move.

00:09:42 ◼   ► Personally, I'm just happy that Johnny's out there doing stuff.

00:09:45 ◼   ► He's enjoying his semi-retirement, you know?

00:09:47 ◼   ► So I'm like, "You go for it, buddy. Just write a book."

00:09:50 ◼   ► It's all I want.

00:09:52 ◼   ► Like, it's all I want.

00:09:54 ◼   ► I just want to read the Johnny Ive book.

00:09:56 ◼   ► Johnny didn't write a book. He made a... Designed by Apple in California. Yeah, Jimmy will get my

00:10:02 ◼   ► copy for you. That's not what I want. I want the... I want like a Johnny Ive water biography. It's never

00:10:08 ◼   ► gonna happen, but I want it. It could be cool. That'd be sweet, man. So that's what... that's what

00:10:13 ◼   ► Johnny Ive's up to. We'll see... we'll see where that goes. We'll check in with the next multi-year

00:10:17 ◼   ► partnership. Yes. We'll be sure to let you know. I mean... on Johnny Ive Watch. Look, I don't want to blame

00:10:23 ◼   ► Johnny Ive for everything but but he worked with Airbnb and then we got a

00:10:28 ◼   ► pandemic that almost destroyed their company what's gonna happen to Ferrari

00:10:31 ◼   ► did you hear in iOS 15.1 they fixed the Apple watch face unlock no way really

00:10:38 ◼   ► seriously it's incredible and I can't wait I can't wait to do this September's

00:10:51 ◼   ► coming to an end. September's about to end which means this is going to be the

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00:11:42 ◼   ► Stephen what are we at now?

00:11:43 ◼   ► - $631,000.

00:11:46 ◼   ► we had a goal of $333,000.

00:11:50 ◼   ► So, you know, come on, let's just double that, right?

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00:12:21 ◼   ► When we broke $600,000, I think it was yesterday?

00:12:28 ◼   ► That was last night, yeah.

00:12:29 ◼   ► Last night at some point.

00:12:30 ◼   ► I think you and I both had a very emotional moment.

00:12:33 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:12:33 ◼   ► That took a little breather there.

00:12:36 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:12:36 ◼   ► I had like goosebumps.

00:12:37 ◼   ► I had like run inside and took my family.

00:12:39 ◼   ► It was a lot.

00:12:40 ◼   ► Yep.

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00:12:47 ◼   ► We're gonna just keep that money coming in

00:12:49 ◼   ► for the next few days.

00:12:51 ◼   ► - Myke. - Yes.

00:12:52 ◼   ► - Give the people what they want.

00:12:54 ◼   ► - Okay, hold on.

00:12:55 ◼   ► - You ready? - Comfortably, okay.

00:12:58 ◼   ► - I got some water.

00:12:59 ◼   ► - Whew, okay.

00:13:01 ◼   ► I'm ready.

00:13:02 ◼   ► - So this year I'm gonna give the TVOS review for TVOS 15.

00:13:07 ◼   ► I'm gonna give it about as much care as Apple gave TVOS 15.

00:13:12 ◼   ► - Okay, which I assume is a lot of care, okay.

00:13:15 ◼   ► - Yeah, yeah.

00:13:16 ◼   ► - Okay, I'm ready.

00:13:18 ◼   ► - Sound is the focus, AirPods, HomePods and Spatial.

00:13:22 ◼   ► They say it's smart.

00:13:24 ◼   ► Shared with you is here.

00:13:26 ◼   ► View many HomeKit cameras.

00:13:28 ◼   ► SharePlay comes later.

00:13:30 ◼   ► That is my two haikus that I wrote.

00:13:33 ◼   ► - Oh, so good.

00:13:34 ◼   ► That's it?

00:13:36 ◼   ► - I wrote two haikus, that is it.

00:13:39 ◼   ► Basically it's nothing.

00:13:40 ◼   ► They added some sound stuff for AirPods.

00:13:44 ◼   ► - Wait, that's it?

00:13:45 ◼   ► - Yeah, man.

00:13:46 ◼   ► Yeah, that's it.

00:13:47 ◼   ► - Double Haiku all the way, baby.

00:13:48 ◼   ► - Where's the big thoughts and the opinion?

00:13:51 ◼   ► - Okay, my big thought and opinion is not in Haiku.

00:13:53 ◼   ► - No, unacceptable.

00:13:55 ◼   ► I'm leaving the show, unacceptable.

00:13:56 ◼   ► - My big thought, you want my big thought?

00:13:58 ◼   ► - I'm leaving.

00:13:59 ◼   ► - They ran out of ideas this year.

00:14:01 ◼   ► There's more in HomePod 15 than TVOS 15.

00:14:03 ◼   ► They kind of, there isn't really anything.

00:14:06 ◼   ► That's the end of it.

00:14:07 ◼   ► I have no big thought this year.

00:14:09 ◼   ► It's impossible to have a big thought about tvOS this year.

00:14:13 ◼   ► Like you Federico, I decided to scale it back this year.

00:14:17 ◼   ► This is what you've got from me.

00:14:18 ◼   ► I'm back.

00:14:19 ◼   ► Did you say something?

00:14:20 ◼   ► I actually left.

00:14:21 ◼   ► Like you, how you scaled yours back this year?

00:14:24 ◼   ► I scaled mine back.

00:14:25 ◼   ► I had nothing to work with.

00:14:26 ◼   ► It got shared with you, spatial audio, AirPods now get that thing where it's like "hey, do

00:14:31 ◼   ► you want to connect to the AirPods when you're near it?"

00:14:34 ◼   ► It got HomeKit camera enhancements, and you compare two HomePod minis.

00:14:38 ◼   ► That last one was pretty cool though.

00:14:40 ◼   ► Yeah, but I have two regular home pods. They didn't even create a tvOS 15 page on Apple's website

00:14:47 ◼   ► So, you know, it's fine

00:14:49 ◼   ► You know that you don't have to do wild stuff all the time

00:14:52 ◼   ► But it's just like if it comes to being a tvOS reviewer like me, you're kind of a little bit stuck

00:14:57 ◼   ► So that's as much as there is I'm afraid

00:14:59 ◼   ► All of the features for tvOS 15 are like written somewhere at the bottom of the Apple TV 4k product page. That's sad

00:15:08 ◼   ► Yeah, they really didn't do much this time. Seriously, there are more features for the

00:15:15 ◼   ► HomePod than there are for TVOS.

00:15:17 ◼   ► Oh, you mean the HomePod Mini, which is the only HomePod that Apple makes?

00:15:21 ◼   ► No, like HomePod 15. Like the software.

00:15:24 ◼   ► Ah, the software, okay.

00:15:25 ◼   ► They added more there.

00:15:28 ◼   ► What are they doing in the home, seriously? Like, what's their strategy?

00:15:33 ◼   ► I do have another big thought for you though, if you do want it.

00:15:36 ◼   ► Okay, please, yes.

00:15:38 ◼   ► I think they're resting. I expect Apple's home strategy is about to change and tvOS

00:15:44 ◼   ► will play a bigger part of it. So I think that they're not adding anything big because

00:15:51 ◼   ► they have future product ideas that will come down the line that will need something. But

00:15:56 ◼   ► until then they have nothing.

00:15:58 ◼   ► Okay, thank you for the haikus.

00:16:00 ◼   ► I at least worked on those. I put more work into the haikus than I would have if I would

00:16:05 ◼   ► have just read from 9 to 5 max tv os 15 page which is otherwise what i would have done

00:16:10 ◼   ► for you i've got to say that i i was hopeful you had done a haiku because the bullet points

00:16:16 ◼   ► are blank in the show notes so i'm glad that you surprised us with that there you go two

00:16:22 ◼   ► you got two haikus would you like to hear them again yes sound is the focus air pods

00:16:27 ◼   ► home pods and spatial they say it's smart shared with you is here view many home kit

00:16:33 ◼   ► cameras, SharePlay comes later. Yeah those are good, those are actually good. And now

00:16:38 ◼   ► I'm done for the year. So is Apple. Do you want to talk about your process like mind

00:16:43 ◼   ► map, which text editor you've used, I assume you got all of this in Obsidian, of course.

00:16:49 ◼   ► Yeah, I've now deleted all the to-do apps from my phone. Right, with the backlinks,

00:16:54 ◼   ► you know. They're all gone, no I've deleted everything now so I can just start fresh now.

00:16:58 ◼   ► Now I've got that off my plate.

00:17:00 ◼   ► - Sure, sure.

00:17:01 ◼   ► I can imagine.

00:17:02 ◼   ► And you time tracked yourself for this big project.

00:17:05 ◼   ► - 67,000 hours.

00:17:08 ◼   ► - Yeah, 67 seconds.

00:17:10 ◼   ► - 67,000 hours.

00:17:13 ◼   ► - Wow.

00:17:13 ◼   ► - I did all of this this morning, by the way.

00:17:15 ◼   ► - Thank you.

00:17:16 ◼   ► Thank you for your service, Myke.

00:17:17 ◼   ► - Here's a fun thing.

00:17:18 ◼   ► I didn't even realize, I hadn't even installed TVOS 15

00:17:21 ◼   ► on my TV, I didn't know.

00:17:22 ◼   ► (laughing)

00:17:23 ◼   ► I had no idea.

00:17:25 ◼   ► So there you go.

00:17:27 ◼   ► I've really gone through a whole new level of review this year.

00:17:30 ◼   ► - Wow, yeah, we appreciate it.

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00:19:07 ◼   ► Okay, so we have gotten the important work

00:19:10 ◼   ► of the tvOS review out of the way,

00:19:12 ◼   ► and now we move to Apple's less important product,

00:19:15 ◼   ► the new iPhone.

00:19:16 ◼   ► - Federico, do you have one now?

00:19:18 ◼   ► - I have two of them, in fact.

00:19:20 ◼   ► - Oh, big money.

00:19:21 ◼   ► - I have, no, these are,

00:19:23 ◼   ► I have two review units, one for an iPhone 13 and another for an iPhone 13 Pro Max.

00:19:29 ◼   ► I posted a picture on Twitter, I have a gold Pro Max and a Product Red iPhone 13.

00:19:37 ◼   ► Mostly been using the 13 Pro Max, but I've also played around with the 13 yesterday and

00:19:42 ◼   ► this morning.

00:19:43 ◼   ► So yeah, I have two, I've been collecting my thoughts, I've been playing around with

00:19:47 ◼   ► camera, taking some cinematic videos and we can talk about these products.

00:19:53 ◼   ► How did you both set your phones up?

00:19:56 ◼   ► I have many thoughts here and many complaints.

00:19:58 ◼   ► Steven, just before, by one second.

00:20:02 ◼   ► Steven, do you have many complaints?

00:20:04 ◼   ► I did the direct transfer deal.

00:20:06 ◼   ► That was the thing this year, everyone's on the direct transfer train.

00:20:09 ◼   ► I don't know, yeah, I mean, it's great.

00:20:11 ◼   ► I don't know why you wouldn't do it.

00:20:13 ◼   ► Mine did take five and a half hours.

00:20:14 ◼   ► So it took a long time.

00:20:16 ◼   ► - Mine took two and a half.

00:20:18 ◼   ► - But I had my Android phone set up with a SIM card in it,

00:20:21 ◼   ► so I was able to take a phone

00:20:22 ◼   ► to go pick up my kids from school.

00:20:24 ◼   ► I had to leave my iPhones here at my desk doing their thing.

00:20:27 ◼   ► - Mine was two and a half hours,

00:20:29 ◼   ► but I was setting up my iPad mini during the time,

00:20:31 ◼   ► so I kind of didn't care.

00:20:32 ◼   ► - But mine had no problems.

00:20:34 ◼   ► The only apps I've had to log back into were the bank apps,

00:20:37 ◼   ► which I expected, and the official Twitter app,

00:20:41 ◼   ► because it's bad, was all logged out.

00:20:43 ◼   ► I was like, okay, come on.

00:20:44 ◼   ► - Mine was logged in.

00:20:45 ◼   ► - Mine too.

00:20:46 ◼   ► - In the Twitter app, I stayed logged in.

00:20:48 ◼   ► The only apps that I was logged out of were phone apps,

00:20:52 ◼   ► Slack, but that was because I was on TestFlight.

00:20:55 ◼   ► - Yeah, it doesn't move TestFlight apps,

00:20:57 ◼   ► which is a little bit annoying.

00:20:58 ◼   ► I hope they can fix that,

00:21:00 ◼   ► because TestFlights are public, you know?

00:21:01 ◼   ► - I had a thought about how to fix this for next time.

00:21:05 ◼   ► I won't remember this,

00:21:06 ◼   ► but if it's an application that has a store version,

00:21:10 ◼   ► download the store version over the top of the TestFlight,

00:21:13 ◼   ► do the transfer and then reinstall the test flight

00:21:16 ◼   ► back over the top of it.

00:21:17 ◼   ► - A little test flight sandwich.

00:21:18 ◼   ► - Yeah, I won't remember this.

00:21:21 ◼   ► I will tell you this now, I will not remember to do this.

00:21:24 ◼   ► But at least signing into Slack isn't that bad now

00:21:27 ◼   ► because you can do like the email thing

00:21:29 ◼   ► and it has all of them there.

00:21:31 ◼   ► - The problem is I'm in like six different Slack channels.

00:21:35 ◼   ► - With three different email addresses.

00:21:36 ◼   ► - With six different email addresses.

00:21:38 ◼   ► I think they're all different.

00:21:40 ◼   ► - In theory it works.

00:21:42 ◼   ► Yeah, if you're not a person, right,

00:21:44 ◼   ► who's gotten out of control in Slack.

00:21:46 ◼   ► So mine went pretty well.

00:21:47 ◼   ► - Mine went pretty well too.

00:21:48 ◼   ► - I ended up with the 13 Pro Max Sierra Blue,

00:21:51 ◼   ► or like the Sierra Blue, it turns out.

00:21:54 ◼   ► The Midnight Case is not black.

00:21:56 ◼   ► It's definitely like a dark kind of indigo-y blue,

00:21:59 ◼   ► black color, but it's fine.

00:22:00 ◼   ► And it looks nice with the Sierra Blue, I think.

00:22:03 ◼   ► So Federico, what happened?

00:22:09 ◼   ► - It's not as good as people have been tweeting about it.

00:22:12 ◼   ► So I-- - For you.

00:22:14 ◼   ► - For me, yes, everything I say is my opinion.

00:22:16 ◼   ► It represents the views of my-- - He's a direct transfer

00:22:19 ◼   ► truther is what's going on here.

00:22:21 ◼   ► - Yeah, everything I say represents the view

00:22:24 ◼   ► of my employer who is also me.

00:22:26 ◼   ► So everyone was tweeting about it

00:22:30 ◼   ► and I figured it's the thing this year.

00:22:32 ◼   ► Every once in a while in our community,

00:22:34 ◼   ► someone says something and everybody starts doing it.

00:22:37 ◼   ► I guess I also do that from time to time

00:22:39 ◼   ► but still. In this case I was on the receiving end of the hot take.

00:22:43 ◼   ► But it's okay when it's your...

00:22:45 ◼   ► Like when you say it and everyone does the thing, that's fine.

00:22:48 ◼   ► Yeah, because I'm always right. That's the thing.

00:22:51 ◼   ► So...

00:22:53 ◼   ► Yeah, I mean...

00:22:55 ◼   ► That's a different topic. In any case...

00:22:58 ◼   ► Everyone was tweeting about it, so I figured

00:23:01 ◼   ► I'm also gonna do this and see what happens.

00:23:03 ◼   ► First of all, it tells me this is gonna take

00:23:06 ◼   ► take one hour and a half and it was like almost three hours.

00:23:11 ◼   ► So, you know, right there is the first issue.

00:23:14 ◼   ► The second issue is I ran into a bunch of problems

00:23:18 ◼   ► and things that were not transferred at all,

00:23:21 ◼   ► which made me question like,

00:23:22 ◼   ► what's the advantage of this over just restoring

00:23:24 ◼   ► from an iCloud backup?

00:23:26 ◼   ► - You've left out an important middle part, I feel like.

00:23:29 ◼   ► Read a, I have a dramatic reading from our iMessage thread,

00:23:33 ◼   ► which is Federico saying,

00:23:35 ◼   ► "I accidentally canceled the transfer from my iPhone."

00:23:38 ◼   ► FFFFFFFFFF.

00:23:40 ◼   ► I just wanna state that there is a potential

00:23:42 ◼   ► that you may have caused some issues for yourself.

00:23:44 ◼   ► - Nope, no, no, no, no.

00:23:46 ◼   ► - No?

00:23:47 ◼   ► Impossible.

00:23:48 ◼   ► - That never finished because, and I'm gonna get to that.

00:23:52 ◼   ► I'm talking about the actual transfer

00:23:54 ◼   ► that was completed afterwards.

00:23:55 ◼   ► - Ah, okay.

00:23:57 ◼   ► Did you refer-- - The first one--

00:23:58 ◼   ► - What happens when you do cancel it, by the way?

00:24:01 ◼   ► - I just stops and it says,

00:24:02 ◼   ► the transfer was canceled, you gotta erase your phone and start over from the very first welcome

00:24:07 ◼   ► screen when it says "ciao" in Italian. I was taken back to that. I canceled it because here's the

00:24:14 ◼   ► problem. So when you start the transfer on the old phone, so on the iPhone 12 Pro Max in my case,

00:24:20 ◼   ► the transfer screen takes over the entire device. But I was waiting for a phone call yesterday,

00:24:30 ◼   ► And that phone call never arrived.

00:24:34 ◼   ► And I was getting concerned that, I don't know,

00:24:38 ◼   ► I had never done this before.

00:24:40 ◼   ► And I wondered, is it maybe possible

00:24:42 ◼   ► that when you're doing this thing,

00:24:44 ◼   ► like it's not showing you any notifications whatsoever?

00:24:48 ◼   ► And this person actually called me and I missed the call

00:24:53 ◼   ► because I'm doing this transfer.

00:24:55 ◼   ► So I, like, it's not, when I say I accidentally canceled it,

00:25:00 ◼   ► I manually canceled it, but I shouldn't have,

00:25:03 ◼   ► because it turns out it doesn't block phone calls.

00:25:06 ◼   ► Those are the only thing that comes in

00:25:09 ◼   ► when you're doing the transfer.

00:25:10 ◼   ► - My phone still kept buzzing,

00:25:12 ◼   ► but just nothing was happening.

00:25:14 ◼   ► - Mine didn't, because I disabled the buzzing

00:25:16 ◼   ► for everything on my phone.

00:25:18 ◼   ► And so that's why I was confused.

00:25:20 ◼   ► I shouldn't have canceled it, and because that was silly.

00:25:24 ◼   ► The phone call was not there,

00:25:25 ◼   ► And later I realized, oh, phone calls are the only thing that comes in.

00:25:28 ◼   ► So right there, I feel like there should be like some sort of explanation of like,

00:25:32 ◼   ► what happens when you're doing this transfer on the old phone?

00:25:35 ◼   ► If you're waiting for an emergency, will you get that phone call or something else?

00:25:38 ◼   ► There should be some kind of explanatory screen, I think, or some sort of message or something.

00:25:42 ◼   ► I don't know.

00:25:43 ◼   ► Still, I wait three hours.

00:25:46 ◼   ► It's longer, almost double than what was initially advertised.

00:25:50 ◼   ► And I'm going to go through the list of things that happened.

00:25:53 ◼   ► When I set up this phone, I saw on the home screen,

00:25:57 ◼   ► basically all of my icons doing the download thing.

00:26:03 ◼   ► Just like you see when you set up a device

00:26:05 ◼   ► from iCloud backup.

00:26:06 ◼   ► - That's normal.

00:26:07 ◼   ► - Okay.

00:26:08 ◼   ► - Nothing was wrong with it.

00:26:09 ◼   ► I was surprised by this too.

00:26:11 ◼   ► - I was basing my strategy here on what I saw on Twitter

00:26:16 ◼   ► of people saying it transferred everything, perfect.

00:26:20 ◼   ► Everything moved.

00:26:20 ◼   ► It's like, no, it's not like a one-to-one copy.

00:26:24 ◼   ► - It's downloading the apps, but it's keeping the data.

00:26:27 ◼   ► - Okay, so I was surprised by that.

00:26:30 ◼   ► - I was surprised by this.

00:26:31 ◼   ► I thought it hadn't worked when my phone was on.

00:26:32 ◼   ► - I was like, okay, fine, at least I still have

00:26:35 ◼   ► my wallpaper, I still have the apps in the same arrangement

00:26:38 ◼   ► and my home screens for focus modes, so that's good.

00:26:40 ◼   ► I set it up, signed in with my iCloud account,

00:26:44 ◼   ► everything is working.

00:26:46 ◼   ► I open iMessage and I see this error message

00:26:50 ◼   ► that I've never seen before.

00:26:51 ◼   ► I sent you guys a screenshot.

00:26:53 ◼   ► What did he say? - I didn't even know

00:26:54 ◼   ► iMessage could do this.

00:26:55 ◼   ► - It was like a special-- - Let me see if I can find it.

00:26:58 ◼   ► - It was like a special alert.

00:26:59 ◼   ► - Yeah, I pulled it up.

00:27:01 ◼   ► In bold, iMessage is signed out.

00:27:04 ◼   ► An error occurred in your account, your iCloud email,

00:27:07 ◼   ► is signed out of iMessage.

00:27:09 ◼   ► You may miss messages as a result.

00:27:10 ◼   ► Please go to settings to address this issue.

00:27:14 ◼   ► But it's not a modal, it's like slid down--

00:27:17 ◼   ► - It's like a dropdown.

00:27:18 ◼   ► - Yeah, from the little-- - It's very strange.

00:27:20 ◼   ► - The little name of our group.

00:27:24 ◼   ► Very strange.

00:27:25 ◼   ► - Yeah, so I went to settings, but I was signed in.

00:27:29 ◼   ► And what happened there, after a few minutes,

00:27:31 ◼   ► the alert just went away,

00:27:32 ◼   ► and I was able to resume my iMessaging with you guys.

00:27:35 ◼   ► So, okay. - And pulling stuff.

00:27:38 ◼   ► - All of my shortcuts, well, not by all,

00:27:41 ◼   ► out of 170 shortcuts,

00:27:44 ◼   ► 150 of them were moved out of folders and placed in the "All shortcuts default" folder.

00:27:53 ◼   ► So basically all of my folders except for one are now empty, and everything has been thrown back

00:28:00 ◼   ► into the "All shortcuts default" category. And I imagine for Federico Vatici that's

00:28:05 ◼   ► a lot of organization. Like there's a lot of organization went into that.

00:28:10 ◼   ► I, you know, some people enjoy this, I don't.

00:28:13 ◼   ► I don't like organizing my shortcuts library over and over and over.

00:28:17 ◼   ► Like, I just like to do it once and be done with it.

00:28:19 ◼   ► But now everything has been reset.

00:28:21 ◼   ► No apps that were based on a Google login kept their credentials.

00:28:28 ◼   ► That's the same for me.

00:28:29 ◼   ► Google, that was the same for me.

00:28:30 ◼   ► I had to log into all my Google apps again.

00:28:32 ◼   ► Yeah, because apps can set, can you guys set a setting or a flag saying don't,

00:28:39 ◼   ► don't move credentials or don't back up credentials.

00:28:41 ◼   ► And of course Google would do the worst option, right?

00:28:45 ◼   ► - Of course. - Of course they would.

00:28:46 ◼   ► Of course they would.

00:28:48 ◼   ► Because, ooh, my Google Docs, right?

00:28:50 ◼   ► - Yeah. - Ooh, so scary.

00:28:53 ◼   ► - Like I said, the transfer kept my shortcuts widgets

00:29:00 ◼   ► and my icons on the home screen.

00:29:02 ◼   ► But when I tried to run those shortcuts,

00:29:05 ◼   ► I kept getting an, like, NSUser something,

00:29:09 ◼   ► not user activity, like NSURL domain minus one error.

00:29:14 ◼   ► It's like, what is, like, NSURL coco domain,

00:29:19 ◼   ► something like that, it's like, what is this?

00:29:20 ◼   ► - Oh my God. - What is this?

00:29:23 ◼   ► And I figured, oh, I know what's happening here.

00:29:27 ◼   ► So you know how in iOS 15, there's a new privacy section

00:29:31 ◼   ► inside each individual shortcut,

00:29:34 ◼   ► where you can review all of the privacy permissions

00:29:38 ◼   ► that you've granted to each shortcut.

00:29:40 ◼   ► Those privacy permissions were transferred from the old phone

00:29:44 ◼   ► to the new phone.

00:29:45 ◼   ► But the problem is, the system isn't working.

00:29:49 ◼   ► And it thinks that, oh, you've set the privacy permissions,

00:29:52 ◼   ► but actually you haven't set them on this new device.

00:29:55 ◼   ► So what I had to do to resuming being

00:29:58 ◼   ► able to use all of my shortcuts, regardless of whether I was

00:30:01 ◼   ► using them from the widget or from inside the shortcuts app, I need, because I still

00:30:06 ◼   ► haven't finished doing this, I need to reset the privacy permissions in all of my shortcuts

00:30:11 ◼   ► one by one. I need to go into the privacy screen of, again, each single shortcut and

00:30:17 ◼   ► tap on the "Reset Privacy" button, because those permissions, they don't carry over when

00:30:22 ◼   ► you transfer from the old phone to the new phone. As you can imagine, this is quite a

00:30:26 ◼   ► thing that I have to do now for hundreds of shortcuts. Whether you've granted access to a

00:30:32 ◼   ► folder or a website to any kind of, like, photos, you know, any kind of permission, it carries over

00:30:39 ◼   ► in the UI, but it doesn't actually carry over when you try to use the shortcut. So that's, that was

00:30:45 ◼   ► another thing. Testflake betas, of course, don't carry over. Now, I understand, like, this is the fact,

00:30:52 ◼   ► like, "TestFlight betas don't carry over." Why do we need to accept this?

00:30:57 ◼   ► Yeah, no, I agree with you. Like, I know, yeah, it's like, yeah, I know this is the case.

00:31:01 ◼   ► I know, it's, well, I think it's the wrong approach. Like, what? I don't care. Fix it.

00:31:07 ◼   ► Like, if it was not Apple TestFlight, you know, like, how TestFlight used to be,

00:31:11 ◼   ► fine. But, like, I don't understand why this is an issue.

00:31:16 ◼   ► Like, I am literally signing into my Apple ID, all of my accountants.

00:31:21 ◼   ► I have my old phone here and my new phone here.

00:31:25 ◼   ► Transfer it.

00:31:26 ◼   ► I don't care if this is what it's like right now.

00:31:28 ◼   ► Make it better.

00:31:29 ◼   ► And I was kind of hoping that it's been a few years

00:31:32 ◼   ► since we've had this new setup process just make it better.

00:31:35 ◼   ► And lastly, I realized maybe this is a very specific thing,

00:31:39 ◼   ► but profiles don't carry over either.

00:31:42 ◼   ► So all of my custom fonts, I opened Obsidian

00:31:45 ◼   ► and I was presented with Times New Roman, I believe,

00:31:49 ◼   ► because my custom installation of SF Mono did not carry over.

00:31:54 ◼   ► Now, I understand it's like, "Oh, it's the way things are,"

00:31:58 ◼   ► and I think the way things are is wrong.

00:32:00 ◼   ► Like, you should transfer everything.

00:32:02 ◼   ► Like, why is it so that we are on version 15 of iOS?

00:32:08 ◼   ► We've had this thing for 15 years, 14 technically,

00:32:13 ◼   ► And we still do not have an exact one-to-one way to transfer all things into the new thing.

00:32:23 ◼   ► Like, I don't care. Let me confirm my password 50 different times. Just don't let me do the setup

00:32:29 ◼   ► again. Just don't let me manually... Just move it over exactly as it is. And it's not that.

00:32:37 ◼   ► Yeah, like, migration assistant, basically, right?

00:32:41 ◼   ► Am I right, Steven? Like, Migration Assistant is effectively, it's a one-to-one.

00:32:46 ◼   ► Yeah. Do that. And it's still like, I understand that some people think that this is the,

00:32:53 ◼   ► that they did it, that they finally did it, they fixed it, but no. They didn't fix it. It's maybe

00:32:58 ◼   ► slightly better than before, but this is still not it, in my opinion.

00:33:03 ◼   ► I wonder if the, I would say, I wonder if with the custom fonts, like the team that works on

00:33:07 ◼   ► Migration, like, didn't know there were custom fonts in iOS? Like, everyone just forgot about

00:33:11 ◼   ► that feature what there's what now I say like I can see that you have had those

00:33:22 ◼   ► issues right and so like if you're having those issues then the system is

00:33:26 ◼   ► not good enough and also like even though some of the issues you had I

00:33:32 ◼   ► don't think are the standard there was a bunch of things in there that was the

00:33:36 ◼   ► same for me right like a bunch of apps didn't transfer that they are over or

00:33:40 ◼   ► or there's like these weird edge cases for certain types of things like test flight or whatever.

00:33:46 ◼   ► So it could 100% be better than it is right now.

00:33:49 ◼   ► I would say for me this is the quote unquote best experience after the fact,

00:33:56 ◼   ► but I still had to wait for a couple of hours for my phone to do whatever on earth it was doing, you know?

00:34:02 ◼   ► Yeah, yeah, I agree with that.

00:34:04 ◼   ► It was better for the iPhone 13.

00:34:08 ◼   ► maybe the problem.

00:34:09 ◼   ► - Okay, you've had a decent experience then

00:34:12 ◼   ► with the other phone?

00:34:12 ◼   ► - Yeah, because that one we tried with Sylvia's Apple ID

00:34:16 ◼   ► and maybe it's that she has less things on her iPhone.

00:34:21 ◼   ► - Federico, you know what it is, right?

00:34:23 ◼   ► - Base64?

00:34:25 ◼   ► - Yeah.

00:34:25 ◼   ► - No, no, I have spent, I have spent the past week, okay?

00:34:34 ◼   ► So I've been working on a brand new version

00:34:37 ◼   ► of my Apple Frames shortcut, the one that puts the screenshots that you take on your

00:34:42 ◼   ► device into the pretty physical device frames. I have spent a week recreating my entire system

00:34:51 ◼   ► for storing those images as, yes, base64 encoded text, and I'm now storing that as a separate

00:35:00 ◼   ► document in the Files app, because it's been, it's become impossible to keep that in shortcuts

00:35:07 ◼   ► at this point. You know, that shortcut got so huge, and by huge I mean 20 megabytes,

00:35:11 ◼   ► but I guess in shortcuts, own little world, 20 megabytes for a shortcut is too much.

00:35:16 ◼   ► I wasn't able to share that shortcut anymore, for example, on iCloud. It would just give me an error.

00:35:23 ◼   ► I couldn't share the file for that shortcut anymore, and I'm now storing that as a separate

00:35:31 ◼   ► document in iCloud Drive. It's like a text file. So I don't think it's that. But even then, like,

00:35:39 ◼   ► if you make a tool for power users and you like to, rightfully so, I think, point out how much

00:35:46 ◼   ► you've invested into making the tool better for power users this year, you know, you cannot have

00:35:53 ◼   ► it both ways. You can't say, "Oh, we made it better for power users," but also, "Oh no, that's an edge

00:35:58 ◼   ► case for power users, you know? So I feel like, absolutely, like, yes, I'm doing wild

00:36:06 ◼   ► things with shortcuts because you allow me to do those things. So, yeah. Again, make

00:36:14 ◼   ► it better. And I mean, there's a whole separate conversation about shortcuts in iOS 15, which

00:36:18 ◼   ► is at the moment, it's honestly a mess right now. I don't know if it's SwiftUI, I don't

00:36:25 ◼   ► know what it is. I don't know if it's like the read yet another redesign of shortcuts

00:36:30 ◼   ► because it's also coming to the Mac. The Mac version. Oh, John has been playing around

00:36:36 ◼   ► with that. And let me tell you, it's even worse. It's really bad. I don't know how to

00:36:41 ◼   ► ship this thing.

00:36:42 ◼   ► Oh, bad. Like was it crashy?

00:36:45 ◼   ► Oh, no, no, no, no. I have a screenshot for you guys.

00:36:49 ◼   ► Oh, okay. This makes me sad because I was super excited.

00:36:52 ◼   ► John sent me a screenshot today saying,

00:36:56 ◼   ► "Trying to set a parameter in shortcuts for Mac."

00:36:59 ◼   ► And you should see an empty translucent window

00:37:04 ◼   ► on top of shortcuts.

00:37:05 ◼   ► Coming from the menu bar?

00:37:07 ◼   ► Coming from...

00:37:08 ◼   ► What's it doing out there?

00:37:10 ◼   ► I have no idea.

00:37:12 ◼   ► But, yeah.

00:37:14 ◼   ► That's fine.

00:37:15 ◼   ► Yeah, so...

00:37:17 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:37:18 ◼   ► We'll see with shortcuts.

00:37:20 ◼   ► But yeah, this transfer could get better than in previous years, maybe still not perfect.

00:37:28 ◼   ► Like when I see this tweet saying "No, it's perfect."

00:37:31 ◼   ► No, it's not perfect.

00:37:33 ◼   ► To come back to shortcuts for a second, I've used a couple of apps that are built completely

00:37:38 ◼   ► out of SwiftUI, like shortcuts is now, right?

00:37:42 ◼   ► It's all SwiftUI basically on the iPhone now, right?

00:37:46 ◼   ► Is that right?

00:37:47 ◼   ► I think so.

00:37:49 ◼   ► least it's a lot of Switch UI, right? There's a lot of it, yeah. I don't think complex

00:37:54 ◼   ► applications can be built out of Switch UI right now. I'm gonna say something. Especially if they have

00:38:00 ◼   ► previously existed in another form. I am gonna say something. Okay. It's my job to

00:38:09 ◼   ► talk to developers, we cover a lot of apps, I see a lot of developer thoughts

00:38:15 ◼   ► and reactions. And I'm asking this, and I'm asking this with like, I'm keeping an open

00:38:22 ◼   ► mind, I respect the folks working on SwiftUI. We say this all the time, we're like, we don't

00:38:27 ◼   ► hate anybody, we're just critics, you know, and we point out flaws. But is SwiftUI good?

00:38:35 ◼   ► Would be my question.

00:38:36 ◼   ► I think it is a very good idea.

00:38:39 ◼   ► Yes, and I think you nailed it.

00:38:43 ◼   ► But it's still early, right?

00:38:45 ◼   ► Like to do what it is trying to do, which is a huge thing, we're still pretty early

00:38:51 ◼   ► in that cycle, right?

00:38:54 ◼   ► So like I have used a bunch of apps that made out of SwiftUI that are new or are simpler

00:38:59 ◼   ► and it works great.

00:39:00 ◼   ► Like you, it's fine.

00:39:02 ◼   ► You would never know that there was a problem, right?

00:39:04 ◼   ► Like there are no problems.

00:39:05 ◼   ► It just, it looks good.

00:39:06 ◼   ► It's nice and simple.

00:39:07 ◼   ► I think where I've seen it start to fall down is applications that are, as I say, pre-existing

00:39:12 ◼   ► that are complicated.

00:39:14 ◼   ► It seems like that's where a lot of the issues lie.

00:39:17 ◼   ► Like, you know, I'm very aware of the fact that, like,

00:39:19 ◼   ► SwiftUI is apparently fantastic for watchOS development.

00:39:23 ◼   ► Like, just really great.

00:39:25 ◼   ► Like, I was talking to underscore David Smith

00:39:27 ◼   ► about this, and he thinks it's a really great system

00:39:29 ◼   ► for watch development.

00:39:31 ◼   ► I'm not sure if it's ready to really do its thing

00:39:38 ◼   ► for complicated apps of some description.

00:39:43 ◼   ► And I really don't know how it's going to fare

00:39:46 ◼   ► on non-iOS-related platforms.

00:39:49 ◼   ► -Yeah, that's a good point.

00:39:54 ◼   ► I don't know. I feel like --

00:39:56 ◼   ► And I see this especially with complex applications

00:39:59 ◼   ► that are doing, like, very complex things,

00:40:01 ◼   ► like multiple levels of navigation,

00:40:04 ◼   ► nested menus, drag and drop, you know,

00:40:05 ◼   ► of those more advanced interactions.

00:40:09 ◼   ► And I keep running into these issues and explanation of like,

00:40:12 ◼   ► oh yeah, that's SwiftUI.

00:40:14 ◼   ► And I wonder, maybe it just isn't ready

00:40:17 ◼   ► for that kind of experience just yet.

00:40:19 ◼   ► And you have to ask like, is it like the way I see it,

00:40:24 ◼   ► you should be wondering like,

00:40:25 ◼   ► is it better for the customer, for the end user

00:40:29 ◼   ► to run into all these problems?

00:40:32 ◼   ► Because I, the developer really wanted

00:40:34 ◼   ► to use this fancy new framework,

00:40:36 ◼   ► but does it actually enable me

00:40:38 ◼   ► to provide a better experience to users?

00:40:41 ◼   ► Because ultimately that should be your goal, right?

00:40:43 ◼   ► To have a stable, solid, useful experience,

00:40:46 ◼   ► especially for productivity apps.

00:40:48 ◼   ► But if that's not the case,

00:40:50 ◼   ► is it worth it to use a young, maybe,

00:40:53 ◼   ► framework that still has some growing pains

00:40:57 ◼   ► just because it's fancy and new and the future,

00:41:01 ◼   ► where it may be the future, but the present is so buggy.

00:41:05 ◼   ► That's my question.

00:41:06 ◼   ► - My argument would be probably not.

00:41:09 ◼   ► Anyway, we are, I don't even know how we got here

00:41:12 ◼   ► at this point. - No, me neither.

00:41:14 ◼   ► - But this is where we are.

00:41:15 ◼   ► Can we go back to talking about the iPhone now, please?

00:41:17 ◼   ► - Welcome to "Connected," a Zwift UI show.

00:41:21 ◼   ► - Can we talk about the iPhone?

00:41:22 ◼   ► 'Cause like, again, like, you know, we are, I mean,

00:41:25 ◼   ► maybe there's a slight,

00:41:26 ◼   ► there's definitely a sliding scale

00:41:27 ◼   ► of understanding of this stuff.

00:41:28 ◼   ► I am at the bottom of that.

00:41:30 ◼   ► I am expecting probably Federico's at the top of that scale.

00:41:33 ◼   ► But even I think of the three of us,

00:41:36 ◼   ► you've probably spent the most time looking at this.

00:41:39 ◼   ► Steven, you can correct me if you think I'm wrong.

00:41:42 ◼   ► - I'm a big Swift UI boy over here.

00:41:46 ◼   ► - I knew, I knew I was gonna say this.

00:41:48 ◼   ► - Okay, great.

00:41:48 ◼   ► So we're gonna refactor that scale.

00:41:53 ◼   ► Steven is now the most knowledgeable.

00:41:54 ◼   ► Steven, please tell us something about it.

00:41:57 ◼   ► - Well, you can use it to make your UIs quickly.

00:42:00 ◼   ► - Oh, is that what it means?

00:42:02 ◼   ► I didn't know that.

00:42:03 ◼   ► - Guys, hold on, I have some breaking news.

00:42:06 ◼   ► - Okay.

00:42:07 ◼   ► - In iOS 15.1 there are two.

00:42:08 ◼   ► (laughing)

00:42:11 ◼   ► They fixed the Apple Watch unlock.

00:42:14 ◼   ► - No way.

00:42:15 ◼   ► - Yeah, yeah.

00:42:16 ◼   ► - No way.

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00:44:33 ◼   ► The cameras on these phones are really fun huh? Yeah. I really like the features they

00:44:37 ◼   ► added. I like the macro mode a lot and I like cinematic mode a lot too. Me too, but

00:44:45 ◼   ► So I have I've been having so much fun with the macro mode on the 13 Pro Max

00:44:53 ◼   ► I've been you guys know because I've been sending you photos I have...

00:44:58 ◼   ► It's been funny to watch you because you when did you get your phone yesterday?

00:45:02 ◼   ► Yesterday. Yeah it's been really entertaining for me to watch you go

00:45:06 ◼   ► through last Friday. Right? Yeah. Because you got a little late and so like you're like "Oh have you guys seen this?"

00:45:13 ◼   ► "Yep, yep, yep."

00:45:15 ◼   ► Well, you know, I only get that excitement once a year, so let me have it.

00:45:20 ◼   ► You can have it. I'm into it. You keep sending me pictures of eyeballs.

00:45:24 ◼   ► Yes, I've been taking pictures of eyeballs of my family, so everyone has been so kind to let me photograph their eyeballs, and I appreciate it.

00:45:35 ◼   ► And it's really quite impressive. You can see what the eye is made of, which is kind of gross and beautiful at the same time.

00:45:41 ◼   ► time, it's a weird feeling to see the material that makes it. Anyway, the macro mode is fun,

00:45:48 ◼   ► but I feel like it's kind of strange that there's no UI for it. Like, that it "just

00:45:56 ◼   ► works," but it's not like a toggle, it's not like a mode of the camera app, you just do

00:46:03 ◼   ► it, which I can appreciate. It's like, oh, you don't need to worry about it, you just

00:46:08 ◼   ► get up close and take a photo? Sure. But this is also the same camera app that has icons

00:46:14 ◼   ► for everything. There are like multiple buttons for the flash and live photo and all sorts

00:46:22 ◼   ► of options. Wouldn't it have been better to also have a button for the macro mode at this

00:46:27 ◼   ► point? You know? It's coming. Okay. Well, according to some journalists, Apple was aware of it

00:46:37 ◼   ► and they're adding it.

00:46:38 ◼   ► So they will add it.

00:46:40 ◼   ► It was a strange decision though, right?

00:46:42 ◼   ► Because I understand that,

00:46:45 ◼   ► I think what they were building off of

00:46:47 ◼   ► is that the lenses change automatically

00:46:49 ◼   ► depending on what you have available to you.

00:46:51 ◼   ► So if you're in a low light situation,

00:46:53 ◼   ► you don't actually get the telephoto,

00:46:55 ◼   ► you get just like a cropped version

00:46:57 ◼   ► of the wide angle lens, right?

00:46:59 ◼   ► Like I've been doing this for years.

00:47:01 ◼   ► So you can see how they were like,

00:47:02 ◼   ► "Oh, well, if someone just gets up close,

00:47:05 ◼   ► we'll just switch to the macro mode

00:47:07 ◼   ► because it will be better for focus, blah blah blah.

00:47:09 ◼   ► But the problem is, it physically switches the camera.

00:47:12 ◼   ► So most of the time, once it's switched,

00:47:14 ◼   ► I'm not hovering over the thing

00:47:17 ◼   ► I wanna take a picture of anymore.

00:47:20 ◼   ► Which is very funny for me.

00:47:21 ◼   ► Like you go up close to something

00:47:23 ◼   ► and then you're right on it and then it switches

00:47:24 ◼   ► and now you've like gotta move the camera again.

00:47:26 ◼   ► But anyway, I'm pleased it's gonna change.

00:47:29 ◼   ► So I've also had some weirdness where

00:47:30 ◼   ► I've not wanted to take a macro photo,

00:47:33 ◼   ► but the cameras wanted me to.

00:47:35 ◼   ► - Yeah. - Look what I can do!

00:47:36 ◼   ► Let me do a macro picture for you.

00:47:38 ◼   ► - I feel like in this case,

00:47:40 ◼   ► these are some complex things that Apple is doing with,

00:47:43 ◼   ► you know, computational photography, all that sort of stuff.

00:47:47 ◼   ► But I feel like a better way to do this is just

00:47:51 ◼   ► look at portrait mode.

00:47:52 ◼   ► Like you press a button and then the camera tells you,

00:47:55 ◼   ► move closer.

00:47:56 ◼   ► Like it gives you like plain English instructions

00:48:00 ◼   ► on what you're supposed to do.

00:48:02 ◼   ► And I feel like that resonates with people

00:48:04 ◼   ► because it feels like, oh yeah, I'm doing it right.

00:48:06 ◼   ► you know, good job me and following the same with panel mode.

00:48:10 ◼   ► It literally tells you slow down and you're like, okay, sorry phone.

00:48:14 ◼   ► I'm slowing down, but yeah, just let me press a button that says macro mode and

00:48:18 ◼   ► like, get closer. And like, okay, I'm going to do that. And you know,

00:48:22 ◼   ► instructions. What an idea.

00:48:24 ◼   ► It is truly incredible though. It's just how close you can get. Like it's,

00:48:29 ◼   ► I love it, man. I'm taking pictures of everything. It's so great.

00:48:33 ◼   ► like I'm into it. I've wanted this for a long time, you know, for taking pictures

00:48:37 ◼   ► of like keyboard related stuff or whatever like I like it. This is a very

00:48:41 ◼   ► good feature. I'm very happy to have yes, but overall and also cinematic mode.

00:48:46 ◼   ► It's fun to play with. I think my favorite thing about cinematic mode is

00:48:50 ◼   ► the editing after the fact. You know, I think that is incredibly cool technology

00:48:55 ◼   ► that you can go to a video afterwards and change who's in who or what is in

00:48:59 ◼   ► focus or change to have the focus track across an image.

00:49:04 ◼   ► So someone's walking along, keeping them focused the whole time.

00:49:06 ◼   ► Or that you can also change the amount of blur is on the image, like with portrait and

00:49:12 ◼   ► all that kind of stuff.

00:49:13 ◼   ► I think it's super cool.

00:49:14 ◼   ► I think as a version one is, I think, better than portrait mode version one was, which

00:49:20 ◼   ► makes sense, right?

00:49:21 ◼   ► Because it's building on what they've learned.

00:49:23 ◼   ► And I mean I just expect that within a few years time this is going to be an excellent

00:49:29 ◼   ► feature right?

00:49:30 ◼   ► Like right now it's like really good and fun to play around with but maybe you don't want

00:49:34 ◼   ► to shoot everything this way.

00:49:37 ◼   ► But I could imagine it being more of a default option in the future.

00:49:40 ◼   ► If you want to see by the way like what an actual professional can do with this, a friend

00:49:44 ◼   ► of the show, Tyler Stallman, made a really great video on YouTube where he did an extended

00:49:50 ◼   ► cinematic mode thing and it looks fantastic because he knows what he's doing. I recommend

00:49:55 ◼   ► people go and watch it if they kind of want an idea for what this feature is able to do

00:49:59 ◼   ► in the right hands but I know I've been enjoying taking videos and stuff in my studio and just

00:50:06 ◼   ► changing focus and stuff. I just think it's fun. It's like really fun. It's really well

00:50:10 ◼   ► done. It's super fun. It's like you're sort of like changing reality in a way like this

00:50:15 ◼   ► is what you saw and what you did but also you can alter that after and it's so cool

00:50:21 ◼   ► I think it's really well done it's fun to you know I have two dogs and I did this video

00:50:25 ◼   ► last night where I was like focusing on Ginger and then like there was Zelda that was blurred

00:50:30 ◼   ► in the background and then I kept changing focus between them and that was super fun

00:50:34 ◼   ► I think it's fun.

00:50:35 ◼   ► Do you boys remember the Lytro camera?

00:50:40 ◼   ► We said this on the show last time didn't we?

00:50:42 ◼   ► Did we?

00:50:43 ◼   ► I think we did.

00:50:44 ◼   ► I think yes.

00:50:45 ◼   ► was a company that like built a camera that could do this this was their whole

00:50:49 ◼   ► thing about changing focus after the fact all the way back in 2006 Wow okay

00:50:57 ◼   ► so now they're a feature in the camera app of the iPhone well they're not it is

00:51:02 ◼   ► yeah yeah they're gone they shut down in 2018 oh no mm-hmm yeah the cinematic is

00:51:09 ◼   ► cool being able to change it after the fact feels wild like that shouldn't be

00:51:15 ◼   ► thing that you can do. I love it. Yeah. But it's, it's, it is cool. I think I agree

00:51:21 ◼   ► with you that it's better than portrait photos were in the beginning and I think

00:51:26 ◼   ► that's really impressive because this seems way more complicated to me than

00:51:30 ◼   ► portrait photo stuff was and so I can imagine that they're using, if not the

00:51:35 ◼   ► same, I mean they're not using the same technology I don't think but necessarily

00:51:38 ◼   ► but you know building on where they've been and that's exciting. Promotion.

00:51:43 ◼   ► Incredible. Makes a difference. You can see it right away. I love it.

00:51:47 ◼   ► I'm so happy that you agree with me here Federico. Because I think various people have different...

00:51:53 ◼   ► I mean, obviously Steven's turned it off. Did you even try it?

00:51:58 ◼   ► Yeah, for like a few minutes and then I thought I was going to die so I turned it off.

00:52:04 ◼   ► That's fine. I love it. It makes everything on my phone feel like an absolute joy to use.

00:52:10 ◼   ► That's how I kind of it makes me happy because everything is so smooth and responsive and everything moves so quickly and it just feels

00:52:17 ◼   ► Nice, it's excellent. It feels nice. It's faster and not just like oh, it looks faster

00:52:24 ◼   ► It actually is faster and you can try this for example do a quick test

00:52:28 ◼   ► We used to do this tests years ago on the iPad Pro and now it's also the case on the iPhone

00:52:34 ◼   ► Try to tap quickly

00:52:37 ◼   ► twice on a folder. And watch how quickly the second time you tap, the folder closes.

00:52:44 ◼   ► Like, you know, if you try and tap on a folder...

00:52:46 ◼   ► Oh, like a folder of apps?

00:52:48 ◼   ► On a folder of apps on the home screen, you tap twice and it opens and closes, right?

00:52:52 ◼   ► It flashes briefly on screen. On the Pro Emotion display, it closes faster

00:52:57 ◼   ► because the animation is faster because the screen refreshes more quickly than the other one.

00:53:02 ◼   ► So it actually is faster than the older models, and I just love it

00:53:07 ◼   ► when you're scrolling, like reading articles in Safari,

00:53:11 ◼   ► you know, mail, I mean, I'm not getting excited about, you know,

00:53:15 ◼   ► high refresh rate in email messages, but still, you can tell the difference, like when you're scrolling photos. It's beautiful. I love it.

00:53:24 ◼   ► I'm so happy that it's here, and I can tell the difference right away.

00:53:29 ◼   ► and it now leaves the iPad mini as of course the only device that I have with the bad display,

00:53:38 ◼   ► but we'll talk about that later. Yeah, I love it. One more thing before we move on about the cameras,

00:53:47 ◼   ► specifically the camera app. We were talking about this on iMessage. I feel like the camera

00:53:58 ◼   ► app is next in line for needing some kind of customization redesign. And by that I mean

00:54:09 ◼   ► the camera at this point, I mean of course it's amazing what you can do with an iPhone,

00:54:14 ◼   ► but it has a lot of features. There are a lot of buttons, a lot of icons, and I feel

00:54:20 ◼   ► like over the years Apple has been adding more and more symbols and menus that expand

00:54:28 ◼   ► and collapse, and there's a ton of different modes that you can switch back and forth.

00:54:33 ◼   ► I feel like it'd be helpful now to be able to say, "You know what? I don't need to see these buttons.

00:54:40 ◼   ► Let me disable them." Some basic customization. Like, I mean, look at Apple Music, for example.

00:54:45 ◼   ► I know that it's a different experience, but in Apple Music you can go in and say, "I don't want

00:54:50 ◼   ► to see these sections in my library. I just want to turn those off." And you should be able to do

00:54:56 ◼   ► the same in the camera because I can imagine like I never use features like

00:55:01 ◼   ► time-lapse for example why is it an option there you know and there's like

00:55:05 ◼   ► or if I ever need it like I don't mind going through a couple of menus to get

00:55:09 ◼   ► it exactly like that this whole like swiping down thing or whatever it is to

00:55:15 ◼   ► get to certain actions I would prefer some of those to be immediately

00:55:19 ◼   ► available to me like I know I don't need the live photos toggle there because I

00:55:24 ◼   ► I always have it on and if I want to turn it off,

00:55:27 ◼   ► I will edit the photo after the fact and turn it off, right?

00:55:29 ◼   ► - Exactly.

00:55:30 ◼   ► - That one doesn't need to be there all the time.

00:55:31 ◼   ► I agree with you.

00:55:32 ◼   ► I like that they have so many options.

00:55:34 ◼   ► - Yes, me too.

00:55:35 ◼   ► - But it would be cool if I could maybe say

00:55:37 ◼   ► which ones I care about the most.

00:55:39 ◼   ► - Yeah.

00:55:40 ◼   ► And lastly, I don't understand,

00:55:42 ◼   ► and I know that there's a technical explanation for this.

00:55:44 ◼   ► I don't understand photographic styles.

00:55:47 ◼   ► I don't understand why we have both filters in photos

00:55:51 ◼   ► and photographic styles.

00:55:53 ◼   ► Like what--

00:55:54 ◼   ► me to explain it to you yeah because you said you don't care but i can explain it to you if you want

00:55:59 ◼   ► me to maybe i will care after you explain it to me all right so filters you take an image and you

00:56:04 ◼   ► put something over the top of it and it changes the color of the entire image right so everything

00:56:09 ◼   ► has changed because you've just applied this filter over the top and so it's changed all the

00:56:13 ◼   ► colors of the image the filter is equally applied to the entire image and different colors will react

00:56:18 ◼   ► differently to the filter because you've you're just putting something over the top of it the

00:56:22 ◼   ► With photographic styles, which also is funny to me because it sounds like, I said this on upgrade,

00:56:27 ◼   ► but it sounds like this person is related to Harry Styles.

00:56:28 ◼   ► I don't know what exactly why it is to me, but photographic style sounds like a person.

00:56:32 ◼   ► But with photographic styles, you are changing some of the effects to say like the warmness

00:56:40 ◼   ► or the contrast of an image, but it is applied with like a sliding scale depending on what.

00:56:49 ◼   ► So it's not equally applied to the entire image.

00:56:52 ◼   ► So different parts of the image will

00:56:54 ◼   ► be affected by the photographic style in different ways.

00:56:57 ◼   ► So it's being basically put into the image processing part

00:57:01 ◼   ► that Apple has.

00:57:02 ◼   ► So they have their image processing stack.

00:57:04 ◼   ► And you are now tweaking parts of that image processing.

00:57:07 ◼   ► So the difference is when you take that photo,

00:57:10 ◼   ► that's just the image.

00:57:11 ◼   ► You can't take the filter away-- you can't take the style away.

00:57:14 ◼   ► It's part of the image.

00:57:16 ◼   ► It's baked into it.

00:57:17 ◼   ► So you can say like, I want my images to have more contrast,

00:57:21 ◼   ► or I want my images to be cooler or warmer.

00:57:23 ◼   ► And it changes all of the things needed.

00:57:25 ◼   ► But it doesn't do stuff that's not necessary.

00:57:28 ◼   ► So for example, it doesn't affect skin tone as much as,

00:57:32 ◼   ► say, the color of a wall.

00:57:34 ◼   ► Because the skin tone should probably remain somewhat

00:57:38 ◼   ► similar to real life.

00:57:41 ◼   ► So it just tweaks the image a little bit,

00:57:43 ◼   ► rather than universally applying this color filter

00:57:47 ◼   ► to the entire image.

00:57:49 ◼   ► Does that help?

00:57:50 ◼   ► - Yeah, thank you.

00:57:52 ◼   ► I still feel like it's kind of confusing.

00:57:54 ◼   ► Like it still feels like they are two similar things

00:57:56 ◼   ► and one is a slightly different mode

00:57:58 ◼   ► and they shouldn't be two separate features.

00:58:01 ◼   ► - Well, then I've not done a good job of explaining it.

00:58:04 ◼   ► - No, I understand the difference.

00:58:06 ◼   ► It just feels like you're still modifying the look.

00:58:11 ◼   ► I'm trying to think as a normal person here, right?

00:58:13 ◼   ► And I'm a normal person looking at the camera

00:58:15 ◼   ► like, okay, these two things, they kind of change the colors slightly differently, but

00:58:20 ◼   ► they are two separate things that I now need to understand. And maybe it should be unified

00:58:26 ◼   ► into the same feature that you... I don't know, it just feels kind of confusing to have

00:58:31 ◼   ► two separate interfaces for all of this. I understand that they do different things,

00:58:36 ◼   ► but it's also kind of similar. When you look at it, yeah, you're kind of changing the color,

00:58:41 ◼   ► you're kind of changing the tone and that... I don't know. It feels kind of confusing.

00:58:46 ◼   ► Let me see if I can try and do it again. Again, like just in case this might be a better explanation,

00:58:50 ◼   ► in case anybody else isn't following. So you know like if you go to an image and you go

00:58:54 ◼   ► to edit the image and then you can change warmth, brightness, contrast, sharpness.

00:58:59 ◼   ► Yeah, which I never do, but yes I know.

00:59:01 ◼   ► Right, but someone can do that if they want to. Photographic styles does some of that

00:59:05 ◼   ► stuff before.

00:59:07 ◼   ► And why would you do it before?

00:59:09 ◼   ► if you're always making those amendments to an image, isn't it nicer to just have the

00:59:14 ◼   ► camera snap the photo that way?

00:59:16 ◼   ► But you can also like take a picture with a style and then go in photos and apply the

00:59:22 ◼   ► filters.

00:59:23 ◼   ► Yeah, but I don't know why you would do that.

00:59:25 ◼   ► But it's there.

00:59:26 ◼   ► See, that's my problem.

00:59:28 ◼   ► Yeah, but you can still do it.

00:59:29 ◼   ► But okay, so again, right, so I am someone who when I post photos to Instagram, I heavily

00:59:35 ◼   ► edit them, right?

00:59:36 ◼   ► I use VSCO and I heavily edit them.

00:59:38 ◼   ► This is a call back to when Tyler came on the show and he taught me how to do this and

00:59:41 ◼   ► then I've been doing it since.

00:59:43 ◼   ► There is some stuff that I will eventually work out how my photographic style to do to

00:59:48 ◼   ► do a lot of that before so I need to do less work after.

00:59:51 ◼   ► If I'm always making similar edits to like saturation or warmth because that's the way

00:59:57 ◼   ► that I like images to look, it's just easier and nicer for me to have those applied to

01:00:02 ◼   ► every photo that I take, rather than needing to always do the edits, always.

01:00:08 ◼   ► Got it, got it. Now I understand.

01:00:11 ◼   ► It is confusing because they are, on the face of it, very similar features.

01:00:17 ◼   ► I feel like everyone is just gonna call them filters.

01:00:20 ◼   ► Yes.

01:00:21 ◼   ► And it's one of those cases why I wish I could customize the UI to just remove that thing

01:00:29 ◼   ► with the new icon because I'm never going to do this.

01:00:32 ◼   ► Like, the way I think about photos is I take the standard photo

01:00:36 ◼   ► and then I'm going to edit the photo.

01:00:38 ◼   ► Just the way I think, you know?

01:00:41 ◼   ► And I understand, thank you.

01:00:43 ◼   ► I wish I could turn it off.

01:00:45 ◼   ► Well, it is off.

01:00:47 ◼   ► No, but there's an icon for it.

01:00:49 ◼   ► Only when you go into the little thing.

01:00:51 ◼   ► Yeah, I don't want to see it.

01:00:53 ◼   ► That's just...

01:00:54 ◼   ► You never want to see it.

01:00:56 ◼   ► I just wish that I could make the camera UI a bit more simplified,

01:01:00 ◼   ► because it makes me feel bad that I'm not tapping all these buttons

01:01:05 ◼   ► and using all these features, because I'm not a pro.

01:01:07 ◼   ► Like, I just want to take a photo, and I want Apple to tell me,

01:01:09 ◼   ► "Look, we're taking what we believe is the best photo for you."

01:01:12 ◼   ► Like, now I'm starting to feel the pressure of,

01:01:15 ◼   ► "Oh, look at all these buttons here. Am I supposed to use..."

01:01:18 ◼   ► Like, maybe it's weird. Maybe it's just me,

01:01:20 ◼   ► but I feel kind of bad for not using them

01:01:22 ◼   ► and for seeing them at all times.

01:01:25 ◼   ► I think one other difference to consider is that, at least the way Apple talks about it,

01:01:31 ◼   ► the styles do more to preserve some of the, like, the sky should be blue, a person's face should

01:01:41 ◼   ► look like this, where the filters don't necessarily have that intelligence, because the styles are

01:01:46 ◼   ► being, like, baked into the process that the image pipeline uses. Whether that's a big difference in

01:01:55 ◼   ► in practice, I don't know, I haven't played with it

01:01:58 ◼   ► and I compared them side by side.

01:02:00 ◼   ► But I think that Myke's point of the convenience of it

01:02:03 ◼   ► is probably why most people who are interested in this

01:02:05 ◼   ► will use it.

01:02:06 ◼   ► But I do think that if you're editing all your photos

01:02:10 ◼   ► in a same stylistic way, an additional benefit

01:02:13 ◼   ► of moving to this may be that they actually end up

01:02:15 ◼   ► looking better in certain ways.

01:02:18 ◼   ► - But I agree of what you're saying.

01:02:20 ◼   ► If you don't ever wanna use that feature,

01:02:22 ◼   ► like I never wanna use filters,

01:02:24 ◼   ► I don't need the button there.

01:02:26 ◼   ► - Yeah.

01:02:27 ◼   ► Well, thank you for the explanation.

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01:04:00 ◼   ► - We have iPad minis now, not just a big fancy Federico.

01:04:05 ◼   ► So I wanted to talk, Stephen, I want you to tell me

01:04:08 ◼   ► what your experience with the iPad mini has been so far.

01:04:11 ◼   ► - It's been really great.

01:04:13 ◼   ► So I did the direct transfer thing for my iPad Pro,

01:04:16 ◼   ► but then I basically rebuilt the home screen to really be focused on things

01:04:21 ◼   ► like reading and media. I've got to say it's,

01:04:24 ◼   ► it's great for like an around the house sort of,

01:04:27 ◼   ► I'm watching a YouTube video while, you know,

01:04:30 ◼   ► washing dishes or something and I just want something small on the counter.

01:04:34 ◼   ► Or of course, you know, everyone says reading a bed or reading on the couch.

01:04:37 ◼   ► It's great for that. The size really is fantastic.

01:04:42 ◼   ► It feels a lot better than the old iPad Mini design.

01:04:47 ◼   ► The flat edges, of course, are awesome,

01:04:51 ◼   ► but it's just more comfortable to hold, I think.

01:04:54 ◼   ► And I think the flat edge design has really proven

01:04:57 ◼   ► to scale really well from like the big 13-inch iPad Pro

01:05:01 ◼   ► down to this one.

01:05:02 ◼   ► And I've been very impressed.

01:05:04 ◼   ► I do have a weird issue.

01:05:06 ◼   ► I wanna see if y'all can hear this, okay?

01:05:07 ◼   ► - Okay.

01:05:08 ◼   ► - Oh, that was me tapping the mic.

01:05:09 ◼   ► That wasn't the sound, hang on.

01:05:10 ◼   ► - I heard that.

01:05:11 ◼   ► sounds like is the problem with your microphone. Here's the sound. There's no sound. Well my touch

01:05:17 ◼   ► ID button on mine moves side to side a little bit. It's very weird. Does yours do that? No, mine is

01:05:25 ◼   ► completely solid. Like it wiggles in the spot that it's in, do you mean? Yeah. Like it slides slightly

01:05:33 ◼   ► maybe? Oh yeah, actually a very little bit. Like a sixteenth of an inch, like just a hair. Isn't that

01:05:39 ◼   ► that always like it was the case with the iPad Air before I think. I wouldn't

01:05:42 ◼   ► have noticed that before you mentioned it. Yeah well now it's all you can think

01:05:46 ◼   ► about. So maybe yours maybe yours is a little more? Maybe. I mean I have a

01:05:51 ◼   ► complex like relationship with the Touch ID button. I do find myself just staring

01:05:56 ◼   ► at my iPad expecting things to happen and then they don't. Yeah it's like I'm

01:06:01 ◼   ► happy you're here but I don't want you is kind of how I feel about it. It's like

01:06:07 ◼   ► "Thank you for being here, Touch ID, so I can open my iPad,

01:06:11 ◼   ► but I really want Face ID instead."

01:06:14 ◼   ► But, you know, Vegas can't be choosers, I guess.

01:06:17 ◼   ► Like, I know I wasn't gonna get that

01:06:19 ◼   ► because Face ID has not found its way out

01:06:22 ◼   ► of any of the two products lines that it's a part of, right?

01:06:25 ◼   ► Like, I wasn't expecting it,

01:06:27 ◼   ► but I still know that I would want it.

01:06:30 ◼   ► - Yeah, and maybe over time,

01:06:31 ◼   ► it will come to like the iPad Air and then eventually this.

01:06:34 ◼   ► - I mean, history would suggest

01:06:36 ◼   ► that would occur right but just in general you've actually made me think of something

01:06:40 ◼   ► just in general like I have more thoughts I want to share but I was listening to app

01:06:43 ◼   ► stories this week and Federico put a fear in me it could be a really long time before

01:06:48 ◼   ► they update it oh yeah and that makes me feel uncomfortable about how much I love my iPad

01:06:54 ◼   ► mini because I think this iPad is fantastic I adore it it's like perfect for what I want

01:07:00 ◼   ► an iPad for like most of the time right now but I don't want to use just this one for

01:07:06 ◼   ► the next six years and that that worries me a little bit I I think that's

01:07:12 ◼   ► definitely possible I mean putting the a15 in this like they didn't have to do

01:07:16 ◼   ► that right they could have done the a14 I'm sure it would have been totally fine

01:07:21 ◼   ► but putting the current system on a chip on it definitely makes me think that

01:07:26 ◼   ► this is the iPad mini that we're gonna have for quite a long time I'm good of a

01:07:31 ◼   ► couple of years right like two years three years at most like I feel like I

01:07:37 ◼   ► could live with that after two years it's gonna feel weird I'm thinking but

01:07:42 ◼   ► I'm still using a 2018 iPad Pro hmm and it's and I wouldn't know like my my 11

01:07:48 ◼   ► inch iPad Pro I'm using the 2018 version and it's like it feels just as good as

01:07:54 ◼   ► the 2020 iPad Pro that I have right like the larger one okay I don't feel any

01:07:59 ◼   ► issue with it but at some point I know I will and and the thing is is it wasn't

01:08:05 ◼   ► so much time with the iPad mini it was more just like it was very visible that

01:08:13 ◼   ► it was old like there were issues of it when you were using it but you looked at

01:08:17 ◼   ► it and it looked like a relic of a bygone era right yeah in the realm of

01:08:22 ◼   ► technology and I really hope that that doesn't happen to this product because I

01:08:26 ◼   ► I think that they have really found like,

01:08:30 ◼   ► they've really, this is like a really good sweet spot

01:08:34 ◼   ► that they've hit for this iPad.

01:08:35 ◼   ► Like, I think it's perfect, obviously,

01:08:39 ◼   ► for reading and watching stuff.

01:08:40 ◼   ► It's capable for handling work tasks if I need it to.

01:08:44 ◼   ► You know, like I need to bring up to app side by side

01:08:46 ◼   ► and send an email while looking at referencing something

01:08:49 ◼   ► on the other side.

01:08:49 ◼   ► It is not how I would want to do all my work,

01:08:52 ◼   ► but it is very capable of doing it from time to time.

01:08:55 ◼   ► I recommend if you do ever want to do that, use the floating keyboard option on the iPad Mini.

01:09:02 ◼   ► You press and hold on the keyboard button and get the floating keyboard and you get an iPhone

01:09:06 ◼   ► keyboard because the landscape software keyboard on this thing makes basically the entire iPad

01:09:11 ◼   ► unusable. You can't read anything anymore which is very funny. I find it very funny to me.

01:09:17 ◼   ► If you're wanting to do side by side multitasking and then you bring up the keyboard,

01:09:24 ◼   ► it's, you know, it's fine, but it doesn't really work very well.

01:09:29 ◼   ► I love my dark cherry cover, it at least brings out a little of the purple in my iPad,

01:09:33 ◼   ► because otherwise, you know, as Federico was saying, it doesn't exist.

01:09:37 ◼   ► I've been very pleased, I did the space grey, and it reminds me of the old slate colour they

01:09:44 ◼   ► did on like the iPhone 5, remember that? Like the really dark, it's like a very dark space grey.

01:09:49 ◼   ► Well, because there is no space grey, it's just space grey is relative.

01:09:53 ◼   ► Yes, depending on the product. And John had talked me into the bright orange cover, which I really

01:09:59 ◼   ► like the contrast. I will say I had missed the simplicity of like a little folio cover, right?

01:10:05 ◼   ► Like flips over and you can make a little stand out of it. It covers the back. It's the first

01:10:10 ◼   ► time I've ever had an iPad case that was not a keyboard that covered the back as well. So it's

01:10:14 ◼   ► like this little orange notebook with a space gray interior. Makes it feel more book-like.

01:10:21 ◼   ► Definitely. Which I like. Yeah, I'm into it. I don't really have anything more to say about it

01:10:28 ◼   ► that hasn't already been said other than the fact that I love this little thing. I think it's fantastic.

01:10:32 ◼   ► How are you using it? Basically for everything I'm using an iPad for. So reading in the morning,

01:10:40 ◼   ► social media stuff in the evening, checking some email, responding to messages, you know, like,

01:10:48 ◼   ► as in like you know maybe slack messages maybe iMessages or whatever

01:10:51 ◼   ► it's basically the only device i try to use when i'm at home

01:10:58 ◼   ► so i'm probably using it the most out of the three of us

01:11:02 ◼   ► uh and i am enamored by it i think it is fantastic

01:11:06 ◼   ► so it's not it's not a secondary ipad no right now it's my primary ipad same

01:11:14 ◼   ► main one yes interesting yeah interesting because

01:11:17 ◼   ► I'd moved from the 12 to the 11 for this reason, because I was finding that the majority of stuff

01:11:24 ◼   ► that I was doing was using it as my home computer, but not my work computer, if that makes sense.

01:11:30 ◼   ► My work computer is at the studio. My home computer, so just the thing I would use when

01:11:35 ◼   ► I'm at home, was my iPad. And most of the time I had it outside of the keyboard case because I

01:11:40 ◼   ► wanted to be holding it to read and stuff like that. And then I would put it in the

01:11:46 ◼   ► the keyboard case whenever I wanted to type some stuff. And so right now I'm still trying

01:11:49 ◼   ► to kind of work out what that looks like with this iPad mini I've been using the software

01:11:53 ◼   ► keyboard and all that kind of stuff, obviously the most but maybe seeing if there's something

01:11:57 ◼   ► else that I want to do there. I'm not sure. But it is the the the iPad that I'm using

01:12:02 ◼   ► most and I for the foreseeable future expect that to be the case.

01:12:06 ◼   ► Yeah, I was talking on MP you rather so David where I've just finally just accepted that

01:12:13 ◼   ► the iPad isn't a work product for me.

01:12:16 ◼   ► Like I just prefer to do it on a Mac and that's fine.

01:12:20 ◼   ► I'm not saying anything about anyone else's decisions.

01:12:23 ◼   ► But in a way the iPad mini makes that even easier

01:12:26 ◼   ► because like, I don't know,

01:12:28 ◼   ► I feel like I have a set of expectations

01:12:30 ◼   ► having an iPad Pro with a keyboard and a track pad.

01:12:33 ◼   ► In a way this is so unlike my laptop,

01:12:36 ◼   ► it kind of frees it up to be the iPad that,

01:12:38 ◼   ► how I wanna use it.

01:12:40 ◼   ► So yeah.

01:12:40 ◼   ► - I think this is one of those things

01:12:42 ◼   ► where it's like the definition of work, right?

01:12:44 ◼   ► Where like a massive part of my work,

01:12:47 ◼   ► of my work is like communicating with people

01:12:50 ◼   ► and this iPad's fantastic for that, you know?

01:12:53 ◼   ► And that's because I do a lot of that,

01:12:55 ◼   ► like a lot of email, a lot of like dealing with salespeople

01:12:59 ◼   ► and communicating things in Google Sheets

01:13:01 ◼   ► and this iPad handles all of that stuff very, very well.

01:13:05 ◼   ► I mean, there are times where I do wish I had a trackpad

01:13:09 ◼   ► 'cause I really loved the trackpad experience.

01:13:12 ◼   ► But the most of what I'm doing when I'm at home

01:13:15 ◼   ► is not that kind of stuff.

01:13:16 ◼   ► It's like I'm doing that stuffing in a pinch, you know,

01:13:19 ◼   ► like, or like, oh, I want to do something quickly,

01:13:21 ◼   ► I'll just do it now.

01:13:23 ◼   ► So it's allowing me to still get into that work mode

01:13:25 ◼   ► when I need it, but for the rest of the time,

01:13:27 ◼   ► being the exact size and portability I want from an iPad,

01:13:32 ◼   ► it's like for reading, for watching video

01:13:34 ◼   ► while I'm like doing the dishes or whatever,

01:13:37 ◼   ► like this just fits in all of the places

01:13:40 ◼   ► that I want an iPad for more than any other iPad

01:13:44 ◼   ► that I've used.

01:13:45 ◼   ► Like it's, the screen is big enough, right?

01:13:47 ◼   ► Like it's big, the screen is big, relatively.

01:13:50 ◼   ► And it's small, so it fits in places, you know?

01:13:54 ◼   ► Like I could imagine Steven,

01:13:57 ◼   ► this would be a great bathtub iPad for you.

01:13:59 ◼   ► - Yeah, I think we talked about that last week.

01:14:00 ◼   ► I should test that.

01:14:01 ◼   ► - You should. - For the show.

01:14:03 ◼   ► - Please let us know.

01:14:04 ◼   ► - You still haven't?

01:14:06 ◼   ► - No, I haven't, it's been a busy week.

01:14:08 ◼   ► know if he had he would have told us because he loves to tell us when he takes

01:14:12 ◼   ► a bath I'm gonna get in the bath I'm gonna have an iPad mini and we'll get

01:14:15 ◼   ► the CalX website it's gonna be a great night it's gonna be fantastic I I really

01:14:20 ◼   ► like that it has USB C even though I'm not using it as a USB port but it just

01:14:25 ◼   ► really makes me even more frustrated that the iPhone is still on lightning

01:14:28 ◼   ► it's like this just plopped into the place where my iPad pro charged every

01:14:33 ◼   ► night and it was fine I can charge it on my desk with the USB C cable I have if I

01:14:37 ◼   ► to have a MacBook Pro there. So it's a nice mix, something like really small and portable and then

01:14:44 ◼   ► still like plays nice in the USB-C world. I'm into it. I wasn't expecting me to be as into it as I am,

01:14:53 ◼   ► but like, okay, so like I love my iPhone, right? I love the new iPhone. It's awesome.

01:14:58 ◼   ► I love the iPad Mini more. I can relate to that. It's a feeling that I've also been having,

01:15:06 ◼   ► Like, it's a...

01:15:08 ◼   ► It's such a nice...

01:15:10 ◼   ► I mean, you're probably using it for everything I am, right?

01:15:13 ◼   ► Yeah. Like, for me, it's my non-work iPad, right?

01:15:17 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:15:18 ◼   ► Read, listen to music, watch TV shows.

01:15:22 ◼   ► Like, I associate that device with relaxing and reading, playing games.

01:15:32 ◼   ► and so I feel like, "Oh, this computer makes me feel good."

01:15:36 ◼   ► You know, it helps me unwind.

01:15:40 ◼   ► It's -- And maybe that's why I love it so much.

01:15:43 ◼   ► Like, "Oh, this is not the machine

01:15:45 ◼   ► where I have to sit down and write and do e-mail," you know?

01:15:49 ◼   ► But I just love it because it's like --

01:15:52 ◼   ► It's very portable, weighs just a little more than an iPhone,

01:15:56 ◼   ► but the screen is so much bigger than an iPhone still.

01:15:59 ◼   ► I think it's like also nostalgic for me in a way because for the last five years the

01:16:08 ◼   ► iPad has actually become a big bulky thing.

01:16:15 ◼   ► And this is this goes back to the you know to a decade ago.

01:16:20 ◼   ► The iPad the old iPad mini the old iPad air right like those products when they started

01:16:24 ◼   ► to get smaller and lighter because they got bigger right but then they got physically

01:16:28 ◼   ► smaller but then we added these really heavy keyboards to them. So like the iPad for me,

01:16:35 ◼   ► the iPad Pro mostly, had become like size, weight of a laptop. But this thing, it feels

01:16:43 ◼   ► like it's lighter than my iPhone. I know it isn't, but it feels it, which is what you

01:16:47 ◼   ► were saying last time. So it's like it there's also this like nostalgia to it. By the way,

01:16:54 ◼   ► The one regret I have is not getting the cellular version.

01:16:57 ◼   ► I haven't got a cellular iPad for a long time, but I feel like over time I'm going to regret

01:17:01 ◼   ► not doing that with this one.

01:17:03 ◼   ► Yeah, I did cellular this time and actually moved my service from my Pro to this one just

01:17:10 ◼   ► to kind of see what it's like because I do want to try like the thing of like this is

01:17:14 ◼   ► the iPad you can take with you.

01:17:16 ◼   ► So I want to kind of explore that some.

01:17:18 ◼   ► So good.

01:17:19 ◼   ► It is good.

01:17:20 ◼   ► It makes me happy that they're still making it because I think for a long time most people

01:17:25 ◼   ► thought well the iPad may just gonna go away at some point.

01:17:29 ◼   ► But it's still here.

01:17:30 ◼   ► Yeah and it's not just that they're still making it like they're making it to this level.

01:17:34 ◼   ► This is just a excellent product that they have made.

01:17:39 ◼   ► So they're still making the iPod touch you know they could have done that.

01:17:43 ◼   ► That didn't make an excellent one of those in a while.

01:17:46 ◼   ► Not yet.

01:17:47 ◼   ► You're still holding out for that one now.

01:17:49 ◼   ► - Was it DAK? - No, no, remember mine was it was gonna be taken down from the from the store and it has never happened.

01:17:55 ◼   ► Oh, I thought that the DAK was added to the touch, that was like a separate standalone product.

01:18:00 ◼   ► Guys, I just, I have some breaking news.

01:18:03 ◼   ► - Damn it, I was gonna do it! - It's not the joke!

01:18:05 ◼   ► - You caught it there! - No, it's not the joke!

01:18:07 ◼   ► All right.

01:18:08 ◼   ► Remember, I talked about this on remaster, Myke.

01:18:13 ◼   ► the controller, the game controller that I have for the Z Fold 3.

01:18:19 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:18:20 ◼   ► So we have a video game show, if you're not familiar,

01:18:22 ◼   ► it's called "Remaster" here on Relay,

01:18:24 ◼   ► and last episode we talked about--

01:18:25 ◼   ► The wonderful viral sensation, Sheikh Mohammed.

01:18:30 ◼   ► We talked about emulation and playing with, you know,

01:18:35 ◼   ► with a bunch of old Nintendo games on different kinds of devices.

01:18:41 ◼   ► I just realized Myke, the game controller that I bought for my Z Fold 3, I can use it with the iPad Mini.

01:18:50 ◼   ► The iPad Mini fits inside of it.

01:18:53 ◼   ► It fits inside of it?

01:18:54 ◼   ► It fits inside of it and I'm just, I'm using it right now and I'm gonna send you a picture.

01:19:00 ◼   ► Oh my god, this is incredible.

01:19:01 ◼   ► Oh my god, so this is the Shaxx gamepad.

01:19:04 ◼   ► Yes, and I'm sending you a picture right now.

01:19:07 ◼   ► This is the Shaxx gamepad. The iPad mini fits in perfectly and stays in place, it seems.

01:19:12 ◼   ► I'm sending you a photo. Oh my god, Federico.

01:19:15 ◼   ► Hold on. And I know this controller shoots as there's an iOS button, so I think it pairs with

01:19:22 ◼   ► iOS over Bluetooth just fine. This is so janky looking.

01:19:26 ◼   ► Oh, but it works. Looks like it's gonna fly off the top of this thing. Yeah,

01:19:31 ◼   ► yeah, I would maybe try and center it up a little bit.

01:19:33 ◼   ► I'm gonna play around with this and follow up next week.

01:19:36 ◼   ► Okay. Oh, but also in iOS 15.1 beta 2. I was just gonna do it then too.

01:19:42 ◼   ► They fixed the Apple Watch authentication, so there you go.

01:19:46 ◼   ► If you want to find links to the stuff we spoke about, head on over to the website

01:19:49 ◼   ► relay.fm/connected/365. 365, 5, 5. Surround sound.

01:19:58 ◼   ► No. What does it mean anything? This means nothing.

01:20:05 ◼   ► Spatial audio man get better headphones. Federico knows what I'm talking about.

01:20:08 ◼   ► I think out of the three of us I'm probably the only one that uses spatial audio.

01:20:13 ◼   ► Yeah, yeah I think you are.

01:20:15 ◼   ► It's like ProMotion for your ears probably.

01:20:18 ◼   ► They remixed the Kook's first album recently and it sounds really good.

01:20:21 ◼   ► They put the spatial audio mix, I like it.

01:20:24 ◼   ► You can find us all online. You can find Myke on Twitter as @IMYKE.

01:20:28 ◼   ► Myke what else are you up to this week?

01:20:31 ◼   ► So I'm gonna be updating my phone to iOS 15.1 because they fixed the phone I'm watching.

01:20:36 ◼   ► Wow.

01:20:36 ◼   ► There you go. I got one in there. I wanted to get one in, you know?

01:20:45 ◼   ► You can find Federico on Twitter as @vitiicci and he's the editor-in-chief of MacStories.net.

01:20:53 ◼   ► What's going on at MacStories?

01:20:57 ◼   ► We're covering apps with iOS 15 updates.

01:21:02 ◼   ► Jon is working on his macOS review, and I'm just catching up on...

01:21:07 ◼   ► I think I'm going to do a story in the next couple of weeks about how I'm using different

01:21:12 ◼   ► focus modes for different home screens on all of my devices, and it should be a fun one.

01:21:17 ◼   ► Do it, because I...

01:21:19 ◼   ► I'm looking for inspo.

01:21:22 ◼   ► He's looking for inspiration.

01:21:23 ◼   ► Inspo.

01:21:24 ◼   ► Inspo.

01:21:25 ◼   ► I'm looking for focus mode inspo.

01:21:27 ◼   ► Yeah, yeah, I'm your guy for that. I should have some examples coming soon.

01:21:32 ◼   ► Very good, I will look forward to that.

01:21:34 ◼   ► Oh, and a big update to Apple Frames, which I call Apple Frames 2.0. It's gonna be a big

01:21:38 ◼   ► one.

01:21:39 ◼   ► There's also a big update coming to iOS 15.1.

01:21:42 ◼   ► No way.

01:21:43 ◼   ► Yep. And it adds Shepling.

01:21:45 ◼   ► Did they fix it?

01:21:48 ◼   ► They fixed it, apparently.

01:21:49 ◼   ► No way.

01:21:50 ◼   ► They fixed it, yep.

01:21:51 ◼   ► You can find me on Twitter @ismh and my writing over at 512pixels.net.

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