366: 5, 1, 4, 6, 9, 6, 3, 4, 7, 8, 2, 2, 3, 5, 9, 12, 12, 3, 4, 1, 5, 9, 11, 8, 6, 4, 11, 5, 1, 1, 2, 8, 8, 2, 8, 12, 3, 6, 6, 11, 12, 2, 6, 1, 9, 1, 7, 10
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Hello, and welcome to Connected, episode 366.
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It's made possible by our sponsors, CleanMyMacX,
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Squarespace, and Smile.
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My name is Stephen Hackett, and I am joined
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by Mr. Federico Vittucci.
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How are you?
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How are you, my friend?
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I am very good, yes.
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We're also joined by Myke Early, our other friend.
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Salud, Steven.
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Hello, other friend.
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How are you?
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I'm speaking in Romanian today.
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This is what I decided to do.
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Oh, interesting. Okay.
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How much Romanian do you know?
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You just heard it, my friend. You got it.
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Oh, that's it?
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That's it? Okay.
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When it comes to just, like, general conversation,
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that was it. You got it.
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Other than that, it's the occasional word here or there.
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I'll work on it.
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Okay. I have some very exciting news.
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We closed out our St. Jude campaign.
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I'm gonna read the exact number.
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$701,220.26.
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Man, I wish they had that hype button nearby right now.
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I don't know where mine is. I got a bell.
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Bam, bam, bam, bam, bam, bam.
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There you go. I made the noise.
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Bam, bam, bam, bam, bam, bam.
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Bam, bam, bam, bam, bam.
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It's incredible. Thank you so much to everybody that donated. We could not have
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even dreamt of that number, I feel like. I know I didn't. It's truly incredible. Thank you.
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So here's the thing. September is a very exciting time, right? I woke up this morning and checked
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the fundraising page and then remembered that it was over. So I'm just looking for some excitement.
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You just want to feel alive again?
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Podcastathon again next Friday!
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What if September was twice a year?
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Like what if you had September one and September two?
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And that will let you do two podcastathons.
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Doesn't our calendar come from ancient Rome in a way that's your fault that we
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Look, I'm not responsible for what my ancestors did, you know,
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killing each other off in a colosseum like this.
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That's probably a good, good, like, just like a good general rule to take.
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I will also say I am not responsible for what my ancestors did.
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Does America even have ancestors?
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You're like four weeks old as a country.
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There's some pretty crappy stuff in those four weeks.
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Oh, that's true.
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Yeah, it was a pretty bad four weeks as far as four weeks ago.
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So here's the thing.
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During September, we gamify everything.
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Everything is exciting.
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I just want to feel something again. So I have come up with something called the connected
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raffle. Wait, what is happening? Okay. Well, I just want to state this, this, whatever
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this is, is this a secret topic? Okay. Steven has decided to do this 100% on his own and
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has now has now branded something with the entire show. So maybe me and me and Federico
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will not apologize for what Steven's doing. You know? Yeah. I also don't know what's a
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a raffle. So, okay, let me start from the beginning. You draw a number and then you
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win. So if we all had tickets and Jason was on stage, because Jason can pick a number
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out of a hat, he can't flip a coin, but he can pick a number. So it's like a lottery?
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Yes. Like a lottery. Yes. Okay. So what I've done, I've broken today's show down into 11
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components. And Myke, you need to have dice by P Calc ready. We have done this before.
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had an episode of a bunch of mini topics and then someone had to choose a number.
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Well this time Dice by Peacock is doing it. I've done all the topics. I've broken
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follow-up into four sections and I put the ads in. It's gonna be fun.
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Yes, this is amazing!
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I'm sorry, I'm the guy who doesn't get any sort of game like...
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Try explaining it again.
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Try explaining it again.
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So say that we roll a six, then we talk about tables in the craft app.
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If we roll a ten, I read the Squarespace ad.
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All right, so hold on, hold on.
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Et cetera, et cetera.
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I need to try and explain this.
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I'm completely lost.
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All right, all right, all right.
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So Federico, what Stephen's done is he's taken the show today and behind the scenes cut it
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into 11 separate chunks.
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So we don't see it.
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Stephen's done it.
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Okay, now we see it.
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- Yeah, so T's taken 11 segments and put them together.
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And now I guess we'll be rolling, what, an 11?
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Like how do I go for 11?
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- There's an 11 side, Dias, right?
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- Is there a 12?
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- Okay, I will break up iOS 15.1 and tvOS.
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- There you go, so we now have 12 things.
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And so what if we get the same number?
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Do we re-roll?
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Yeah, yeah, because I can't read the Squarespace ad four times, I'd be in trouble with Carrie,
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so I absolutely adore that the ads are part of this, because we could just like triple
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the ads in one go.
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Probably, I actually don't know if we, we'll find out if that's a problem later on, I suppose.
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Maybe we don't get paid for this episode, we'll see.
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And then I guess Steven can compensate me and Federico for his idea.
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I really enjoy this.
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This is a lot of fun.
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I guess I should roll the dice, right?
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- Yeah, and do it where we can hear it
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so you're not secretly, you know, behind the scenes.
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- Oh yeah, okay, so I have to turn on speak dice.
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And play dice sounds.
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I don't know why it said D12.
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It's five is the answer.
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I'll try and see if I can, oh, speak results.
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That's what I needed.
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Number five is what we're starting with.
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- Okay, some follow-up.
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The iPad Mini is a great bathtub iPad.
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I put this in the show notes,
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which I thought would be fun for Federico
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because I would almost assume that he would naturally assume
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that you put this in there.
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But I have taken two bathtub baths,
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I don't know why I said it like that,
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in the past couple of weeks,
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and I've used the iPad mini both times.
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I have one of those things
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that goes over the top of the bath, right?
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That you can put things on, you know what I mean?
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Like it's like a little shelf.
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- Yeah, I got one too, it's great.
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Yeah, and I've been, I have my iPad mini in there
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and watching videos and stuff on it.
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It's really good.
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'Cause the big iPad, I always worry
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I'm gonna knock it into the bathtub.
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And is that, do you just watch things?
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- Yeah, yeah, I just watch things.
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I don't think you could read on it.
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I don't think I'd feel comfortable reading.
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- No, you don't wanna touch it
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'cause you're, if your hands are bubbly.
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- So that's that.
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- Federico's not really a bath person.
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He seems noticeably silent in this section.
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- Do you have a bathtub Federico?
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You do have a laptop. Okay. Yeah, I use it.
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Oh, you check a bath. Yeah, I don't bring my electronics in it.
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Do you listen to things when you're in the bath? It's just like quiet time for Federico.
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It's just quiet time. Yeah. Just relaxing time, you know? Yeah, I don't. I prefer to
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read like at night or when I'm just like, like an afternoon break on the couch with
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my dogs. Like, I don't play games, I don't read books. I just lay there and usually fall
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asleep. You fall asleep in the bathtub? Oh yeah, sometimes. You know, light some scented
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candles. That's nice. Wow, you're having the most bath. Yeah, that's like big, big time
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bath. Yeah, and we have... Mega bath. You know, we have the scented, like the flavored,
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they call it the salts that they do.
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- Vassalts and the different colors.
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That's cool.
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But no devices in the bathtub, no.
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- All right, should I roll the dice?
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- Did you hear that?
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It's very quiet.
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- All right, well, 'cause the issue is
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I have to leave my phone off silent,
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but it's on Do Not Disturb anyway,
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so I'm sure it won't avoid people too much.
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- That's fine.
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- It was number one.
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All right, Myke, you want to tell us about iOS 15.0.1?
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- It shipped last week and breaking news,
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it restored the functionality for the mask unlock.
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- It totally did. - Really?
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- Yeah, breaking news, it's back.
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Federico, are you on like 15.1 on your iPhone?
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- Yes, I am, on all my devices in fact.
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- Why, I mean, when I say, I was gonna say,
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You ask why?
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Why? But it was more like why? Why do you continue to keep the beta on now?
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Because you're not writing a review about it, you know?
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No, but I think I'm going to have an article about it. It's always interesting to see what
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fixes and what features make it in the first point release.
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Yeah, I guess point one is probably the one to keep it on for, right? Because that's everything
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we didn't get to.
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Yeah, but there's also a matter of shortcuts is unusable in 15.0.1 or whatever the stable is.
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Is it also, is it usable in 15.1?
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Beta 3 just came out a few minutes ago before the show and I'm hoping that we're gonna get some more fixes in shortcuts, but it's bad.
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It's very bad.
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So that's part of the reason why I keep it on all my devices is at the very least it's got like
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some minimal functionality added to the editor that makes it barely usable. But like in beta 2,
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for example, I could not edit a shortcut on my iPhone at all. So one of my shortcuts had
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a little too many nested blocks.
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You know when you drag in a block of actions in shortcuts
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and it gets indented in the editor?
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Like it's sort of like it's slightly indented
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to the right side of the screen?
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Well, you add enough of those,
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and basically all my actions had disappeared
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into the right side of the editor.
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- They're just tucking them away in there, man.
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- They're tucking them away.
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They were hiding.
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It's like, "No, don't touch us.
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Don't modify us, please."
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Enough with the base64!
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So I had to use my iPad, but the iPad had different bugs, so it's been challenging to
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work with shortcuts lately.
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I'm hoping that beta 3 makes it better.
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I have a weird thing on my iPad where just one shortcut that I use a lot isn't working,
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but it works on every other device that I have.
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I think I shared this with you, and I get this weird NS-Coco...
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Oh John gets the same error!
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- And I tried doing what you suggested to me,
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which was to reset all the privacy.
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That did not work, no.
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- You know what you and Jon have in common, Myke?
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You run Federico's beta shortcuts.
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- Yeah, yeah, I'm sure that's broken something somewhere.
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- Jon gets NS file provider error domain on his iPhone.
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- Mine is something else.
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I wanna see if I can, I know I put it in a iMessage thread.
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include steps to reproduce. I don't want to do that.
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NS... wow man this is gonna take me ages to find. But yeah hopefully this
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gets better in beta 3. NS Coco error domain 3840. Ah sure, that one.
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And it just says open the shortcut for more details. There's no details. And there
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are no details. There's no details. I know. It's like open for more details. Like yes
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there are more details now I can finally understand and then you tap it and nothing happens.
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Zero details. Like all this is supposed to be doing is uploading a pdf to a to a dropbox file.
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That's all this is supposed to do. So all this does is I get a pdf and it's like a receipt
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and I just want to upload it to dropbox and does not and this is what I'm left with. So
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Shout out to the dice again.
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Why is all the follow up at the beginning?
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Myke, are you playing us?
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You can hear it.
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What do you think I can do with that?
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Like, it's silent.
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I cannot hear it.
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I mean, I could try turning it up.
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Yeah, and stick the thing around the microphone.
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Well, it was 4.
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4 was the number.
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I can show you a screenshot if you want it.
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If this show goes perfectly in order, I'm going to be extremely disappointed.
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I mean, it's not perfectly in order. We've got 154.
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Yeah, but we've done top of the following.
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I did have a thought a minute ago, by the way, that when we get down to the back half,
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there could be a lot of dice rolling until we get the numbers that are left.
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We'll have to work out how to fix that. Oh, you know. Okay, great.
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I thought through this.
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We spoke about SwiftUI and how it seems like maybe it's really good for some types of applications,
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but not ready for others.
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I got a really nice email from our friend_davidsmith,
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who is probably, in addition to being the world's
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most educated developer about Apple Watch development,
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he probably also has the most popular SwiftUI app
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in Widgetsmith.
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- I think that's probably fair to say.
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Like, who else has got an app bigger than Widgetsmith
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that's entirely in SwiftUI, right?
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Like, that feels pretty fair. - No one.
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- I can't imagine that anybody does.
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- Yeah, so I'm gonna read a little bit
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about what he wrote, because I think it's really good.
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- I could have said shortcuts in iOS 15,
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but you know, that's the joke.
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- I bet more people use Widgetsmith.
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- I think so too.
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- Interesting, okay.
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You think so?
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- There was a clarification, I think I wrote this down
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in a minute somewhere, independent was the,
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but because I'm sure there's other apps on iOS
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that are written in SwiftUI, but as an independent app,
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Like a developer has no say over SwiftUI, right?
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Like can't call someone in the SwiftUI department
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to ask them why this isn't working, you know?
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- So Underscore wrote,
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"SwiftUI is absolutely ready for production
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"and is capable of delivering robust user experiences."
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Then he talks about how he uses WidgetSmith
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and how it's been excellent for him there.
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"SwiftUI also has profound limitations."
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This is what I really liked.
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"It possesses a constrained circle of competence,
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"a limited area of features and functions
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that is able to do an adequate job of performing.
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If a developer ever steps outside
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of the circle of competence, then their users
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are severely punished and the experience will be awful.
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The circle expands every year, but if an app's features cannot
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be completely encompassed by what SwiftUI can do,
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then there just isn't an appropriate tool for the job.
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This was funny for me when I was reading this.
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I was thinking, oh, Dave's disagreeing with us.
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Like, because the first point, it's like,
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SwiftUI has been excellent for me,
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and enabled a wide range of features
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that would have taken dramatically longer
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to create in traditional UI kit.
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I was like, oh no, I've upset Dave.
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And then he's like, oh, by the way,
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if you do anything even a little bit more
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than it wants you to do, it will punish you.
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And I think that this is a good example,
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'cause what we were trying to get across last week,
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I don't know if we did a good job of explaining it,
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was the main issue seems to be,
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If you take an existing app that people use and know,
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and then decide you're gonna make a SwiftUI version,
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you will cause pain.
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Like if it's complicated,
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and you decide you're gonna move it over,
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things aren't gonna work the same.
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And I think that was what we were trying to get to.
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And as we've been, it's a running joke now at the episode,
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Shortcuts is a good example of this, right?
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It was a very complicated existing application
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that they moved to SwiftUI,
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and it got some really nice features
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and some nice design stuff.
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but there is a bunch of problems with it.
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- Yeah, that's really the...
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And also what Dave says about the circle of competence,
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like what we were saying about complex experiences
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and complex apps.
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Like when you have these productivity tools usually,
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where you have all kinds of different controls, right?
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And you have all like shortcut, again, look at shortcuts.
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You have multi-window,
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you have different multitasking states,
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you have drag and drop, but also copy and paste.
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You have context menus, then you have sliders,
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and you have dropdowns, and you have model windows.
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Like, you have all kinds of controls
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overlapping with each other and having
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to coexist within the same editor experience.
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It's a complicated experience.
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This is not like a wallpaper app or something,
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or a utility to let you pick a watch face.
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This is a complex programming tool.
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and they decided to move from the previous version to the SwiftUI version, and that's been causing
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a whole bunch of problems to existing users. Users didn't demand a framework rewrite,
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users just wanted to keep using shortcuts and maybe have a bunch of new actions.
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The problem is you are forcing your internal decisions, your technical decisions upon users,
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And it's not like shortcuts in 15, it's this major upgrade, right? I mean, as we've seen in my review,
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like, sure, there's a bunch of actions, the files actions are welcome, but they haven't revolutionized.
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And I think it looks like, visually, just when it is working, it looks way nicer and cleaner,
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but I don't know if you needed to change to SwiftUI to do that.
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And I wonder if they would have done it at all if they weren't bringing it to the Mac.
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And the Mac version on Monterey is just a disaster visually.
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I mean, lots of weirdness, lots of broken things.
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And we're... it's October! We're pretty close to when Monterey is probably
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going to ship. I mean, I think it'd be in the next
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four to six weeks. I just don't know why they felt like that it had to
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go down this road. I saw screenshots of the Mac version
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sent to me by John, who was testing some of my shortcuts a few days ago.
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It's bad. Like, it's in a bad state. Like, alerts that are empty and spanning the full height of the
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display or contextual menus that appear in the wrong place. Shortcuts that don't open at all.
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Like, it's at least as of beta 8, which again, beta 9 came out a few minutes ago, we cannot test it.
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But as of Beta 8, it was not good.
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It was not nice.
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And it's slightly concerning, I think.
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- Yeah, and as Jason points out in the Discord,
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was Catalyst not an option?
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Like, it's just sitting right there.
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I don't know.
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I'd love to hear what went into this decision.
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And I think Federighi said this on an interview,
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maybe I'm just making it up, but like, someone said it,
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that by shortcuts using SwiftUI,
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it's like push SwiftUI in new directions and they're like building things out just for the shortcuts team, but it's not enough.
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Well, it was similar of Catalyst too, right? When Apple started making more of their apps in Catalyst it pushes it.
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Look, and I agree with this thinking and I'm very sure that SwiftUI is going to
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be everything to everyone in the future.
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But the point that we were making last time and continuing to make today is that I
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not sure that that time is now.
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And if you make this decision,
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you've got to make it real careful.
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Because if you commit to this,
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I don't know, like, I don't know.
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How long is it going to take them to fix
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the issues that you're seeing in shortcuts?
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Like, could it be fixed in a month?
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Or is it going to take a year?
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It's like they forced you to move into a new house
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and construction is still going.
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And you're like,
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I was perfectly fine where I was and now there's this whole big mess around me.
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And like, I don't know how long it'll take, right? Nobody knows.
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Maybe it won't be long, right? Maybe, who knows?
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Maybe it won't be. Maybe it won't be long.
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But it's not, you know, we keep... Every year we have these discussions about how, like,
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"Oh, this is the year that people discover shortcuts, that regular people discover shortcuts,
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and it becomes approachable by the masses.
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And you have to wonder, like, what's the first impression
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if when people upgrade their devices, they see this,
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and they think it's their fault, but it's not their fault, right?
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It's bugs in the app.
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What's the kind of first-run experience
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that you get from that?
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And also, there's a whole other argument to have here,
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like, is Apple still really chasing that dream of,
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let's make programming approachable to the masses.
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Have they given up on it?
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Because on the one hand,
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you don't see any meaningful improvements
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in terms of shortcuts on the Apple Watch, for example,
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or shortcuts in Siri.
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You don't have changes for those features
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that are in theory the mainstream flavors of shortcuts.
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But then you see some power user improvements
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on iOS, HyperOS, the Mac version,
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all the automator stuff. So is Apple accepted that there's only so far they can go when it comes to
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making shortcuts more approachable to regular people? And that's a different discussion. What
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we have here is a problematic rewrite of an existing app that does not make for a good
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first impression, right? But also only 20% of people appear to have updated to iOS 15,
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so there's also that. Like, I was checking out the latest numbers from Mixpanel yesterday.
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I keep a note of these adoption rate numbers throughout the whole year, and iOS 15 is
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considerably lagging behind 14. I mean, obviously, right? 14 had the new home screen and widgets.
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15, in comparison, has nothing. So it's not surprising that only 22% of existing users have
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updated to 15. Also because if you go to the software update screen on iOS 14,
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Apple is not really pushing that upgrade. There's only like a small link at the bottom that says,
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"Oh, iOS 15 is also available." So it's a complex conversation, and maybe Apple is enforcing these
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updates because there's a whole bunch of problems, right? Not just in shortcuts. iPadOS has its own
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share of problems, for example. Like, there's still no way to reopen a window that you have
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accidentally closed from the shelf. Like, just to name one problem. So maybe these updates
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aren't being pushed so aggressively because Apple knows that they have to fix a few things
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before, and maybe in a couple of months they'll go, "Oh yeah, iOS 15, big splashy screen
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in settings, go update now," because all the bugs have been fixed. I don't know.
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All right, you ready? Yes.
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That's such a strange transition.
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So yeah, this week marked 10 years since the passing of Steve Jobs.
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Which is, these things, they have a way of creeping up.
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Like one, I never remember, it's around this time of year.
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And also I kind of can't believe it's been 10 years.
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And there's been a bunch of things, like I'm going to put some links in the show notes.
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One, Apple put a video on their website.
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Somebody put it on YouTube.
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I put that in there.
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Johnny Ive wrote a really nice article, editorial,
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I think in the "Wallship Journal" magazine.
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This is the first time I've ever read anything in Apple News.
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It's freely available in Apple News in its entirety.
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I guess if, or maybe like I get Apple News Plus,
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I don't know, maybe 'cause I'm on the iCloud premiere thing,
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whatever they call it.
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Tim Cook obviously wrote a memo to staff
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And Scott Forstall had a very nice tweet,
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which I actually wanna read 'cause it's just a tweet.
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I found this kind of touching, I think we all did.
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"10 years ago today, I lost a mentor, colleague,
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"collaborator, design partner,
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"and most importantly, a friend,
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"when Steve Jobs left us too soon.
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"He had an incalculable effect on everyone he impacted,
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"which as far as I can tell, is everyone on the planet."
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Like that is such a beautiful line.
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That's like so good.
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And Johnny Ives, I don't even know if I can read quotes
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from that 'cause it gets me.
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You can feel in every word that he writes his sadness,
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I think, and that one, it's a very beautiful article
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I recommend people read, sorry.
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But it is, I don't know, it's tough.
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That video has now been taken down, by the way, so sorry.
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You know the YouTube video that you put in the link, Stephen?
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- Yeah. - That you put in the note,
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soon yeah I think apples apples taking care I think Tim Cook had a tweet with
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the embedded maybe we can put that in the notes oh great I'll find that put
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that in there too yeah it's hard to believe it's been a decade yep it it
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really is and I mean I think people in our community like everyone has a
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different connection to Steve Jobs and I think some people more than others but
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there's no doubt that he left an impact on on all of us and and and that I think
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Apple is his greatest creation, right? Not any individual product, but the machine that
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makes the products. I think it's what he really focused on towards the end. And, you know,
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we all get to continue to benefit from that.
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Yeah, this makes me feel weird. I don't like to think about this. It was also not a good
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year for me, like 10 years ago. That's right before I was diagnosed and this was happening.
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So, not a happy year at all.
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But I can't believe it's 10 years already. Wow.
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And yeah, that Johnny Ive article is beautiful.
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So go check it out.
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You can click the Apple News link and it takes you to Apple News and you can read it for free.
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At least that worked for me and I'm not an Apple News subscriber or anything.
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Yeah, I don't really know what to say about this, to be honest.
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it's not the same
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You know like apples not the same. No, that's not what I mean yeah, yeah, no, but like
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Yes, they that is
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obviously like
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Obviously true right like it is you cannot argue right, but that would be the same for anybody
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That has passed away. It worked at Apple. You know link. It's not the same because he's not there, but like I just mean that like
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Because the problem with saying that is people are like, "Yeah, you know, Tim Cook sucks!"
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And it's not what I'm saying.
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It's not that.
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It's not that.
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The point is it's like, so you watch that video, right, that Tim Cook tweeted.
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Everything just feels different.
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The presentations are different because he did them, right?
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And it's not that the products are better or worse, but it's because there's been stuff
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that's better and stuff that's worse, same as when he was there, right? Like, there were bad products
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when Steve Jobs was in charge. It's just different. And I don't know what Apple would be like now,
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if he was around. They wouldn't be what they are now. And I think that there's some good and some
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bad in that, you know? But it just feels so strange because he would still be doing it,
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you know? He would still be coming out on stage and doing part of the presentation.
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Like he would still be there doing it. And that kind of, I don't know, that makes me feel a little
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weird. I feel like more than other companies whose public figures have passed away, I feel like in
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In Apple's case with Steve, it's unlike anything else because his persona was so deeply embedded
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within our idea of the company before, like, and I'm gonna give you an example.
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When Satoru Iwata passed away, the former president of Nintendo, that, like, honestly,
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that still sucks, right?
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And I still think about it, because like, me growing up, Satoru Iwata was the example
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of like, the game developer who became the president of Nintendo.
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And if you've never watched any of Satoru's presentations, there's a really good one from
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the Game Developers Conference that I highly recommend you go check out.
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But the thing is, Nintendo still feels Nintendo.
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Nintendo still has that quality that is... it's a separate layer from the Persona.
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And I don't know if this was, like, Nintendo as a company managed to isolate itself from
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the public persona, right?
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And come up with the Nintendo spirit, the Nintendo touch, call it whatever you want
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to call it, that doesn't depend on a single individual.
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But in the case of Apple, you can tell the difference because the company itself, every
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single aspect of it was depending on this public figure, right? The idea of the, you
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know, the director, if you will, having his say on even, like, the smallest details. And
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with that person gone, the difference is so much more stark compared to a company like
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Nintendo, for example, where you can... And not to say that this is... that Apple is bad
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now, right? We're not saying that. In fact, the products are even better. Maybe, like,
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the iPhones are better. Sure. But you can still look back at those days with nostalgia
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and say, not that things were better then, but they were a certain kind of things, and
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those things will never be again.
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And that's the problem for me.
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Like that era will never be again, right?
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That's what gets me.
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It's a moment that was in time and then it was over.
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- I think like what makes Steve Jobs
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or what made Steve Jobs different,
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even when you compare him to someone like Iwata,
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there's like a bunch of things.
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Like one, he was the founder, right?
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And I think that that spirit just lived through him.
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He created the company and that was intriguing, right?
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In a way, right?
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Because, and then he had his story, right?
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Of leaving and then coming back and saving it, right?
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And that's like a whole thing.
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And then also the guy was incredibly gifted at what he did.
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He was very, you know,
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he really knew how to make interesting products
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or to help people like lead people
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can make interesting products, and he was also a really good presenter. Like, probably
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the best. And that made, those three things, and probably a bunch more, I think led to
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like, why is he seen so different to many other people? You know, and it's also worth
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remembering that like, this whole thing that we have now of CEOs giving presentations,
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it comes from him. There is literally zero reason that the CEO of any tech company should
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be the one to give the presentation. It doesn't make any sense that it would have to be that
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person but everybody does it because Steve Jobs did it.
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Right? And like you can see it like Tim still does it but Tim's not as good as many of the
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other people they have now which is why his role is like tiny now compared to how it was
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when Tim took over. Tim used to do way more of the keynotes than he does now. I think
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that role has shrunk over time. But like, yeah, he defines so much of what is in technology
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and defines so much of how other companies run themselves. It's, you know, and that's
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just one of the many things for why people miss him.
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Can you imagine how Steve would have dealt with the remote events, with the pandemic?
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I was thinking about this. Like, I was just thinking like in general, like what would Steve,
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what do I think Steve Jobs's response to just the pandemic in general be?
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And I kind of just, it's just funny to me. Yeah. Not that I think he'd be like,
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like a denier, but like, I could just imagine that, you know, company culture stuff,
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it all seemed to come from him. And I can imagine that he probably would have pushed to like,
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how do we get at least some people back as ASAP?
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Oh yeah. Oh yeah. For sure.
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Like, like which, which Apple employees want to volunteer to live in this building
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and we lock it down. Yeah, something like that seems plausible, yes. I also wonder what do you
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think Apple, as Apple has become a more political global power, like I don't think he would have
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gone to the White House under the last administration. Well, I don't think it, I just don't think it
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that they would be. Like they would be massive but would just not participate in any of it good or
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bad you know yeah and that also means like Apple is a social good company
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there's also that yeah right I don't think many much of that would have
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existed either but like we can never know not right like and there might be
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people that have a decent idea they're not us we didn't know the guy no we have
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no idea what we're saying and you got to be fair and remember there were lots of
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things about him that were pretty not good.
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- But I'm problematic.
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- All right, let's roll the dice.
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- Oh, I'm gonna unlock my phone.
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- Oh my God, I was really hoping we were gonna get to an ad.
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It's gonna happen, man.
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They're all gonna come one after another.
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All right, so, what was it?
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Last week, Amazon had a product event.
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And they've done these a few times
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we've covered them on the show where Amazon's whole thing seems to be like,
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"Hey, come to our event. We have 70 products to show you." Right? And most of
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them you've never heard of before and we're gonna see which ones work. We're
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not gonna talk about all of them but I'm gonna give a run through of some of the
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stuff they did and then I guess the thing that we'll stop to talk about is
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is the robot. Okay. Yep. Okay, so Echo Show 15. This is a 15 inch Echo Show. It's a 1080 screen.
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The idea of it meaning to be like a shared hub for families and they keep showing it mounted to
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the wall like a picture frame. Includes a camera for video conferencing and stuff $249. Interesting
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idea. Which is I guess is the way to say about most Amazon Echo products. Yeah, interesting idea.
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Here's one that I think may be very strange, Echo Glow, which is a video conferencing device
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for children!
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It features an 8 inch display in portrait mode with a touch sensitive table projector
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to play games, read books and make art.
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So it has a projector that mounts down onto the table and projects things which interact
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I don't know. Maybe I need kids. I can't get my head around this one.
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I mean, that feels like a pretty big commitment for one section of one pockets episode,
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but you do you follow up.
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I do. I do want to back up to the echo show 15 for a second,
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because when I read about it, I was like, Oh, it's like a thing you hang,
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you know, in your hallway and it's like this big screen,
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15 inches isn't very big. It's like nailing a Mac book pro to the wall.
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It's like, it's, it's too small to be useful.
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I mean, it's not small.
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But it's not. I mean, have you seen a TV?
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Like, it's not big.
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Yeah, but I wouldn't want an echo
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the size of the television.
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That's too big.
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I don't know.
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The 15 inches sort of like made me chuckle.
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It seems like a weird size.
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Here's what I'll give you.
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All of the images that they show
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make it look bigger than it is, I think.
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Well, yeah, like there's the one where it's like
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in the dining room, it's like,
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is that dining room really a closet?
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Like, there's just like a tiny little space.
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I'll give you that.
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Like, what they're meaning to say
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is you've mounted on the wall,
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but I think you might be right
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that's still at 15 inches that might be too small to be what they imagine it to be.
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Which is something you just walk by and see every now and then.
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It's like a Michael Scott's television.
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It's just like that.
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Halo is their line of fitness products.
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This is like a Fitbit, this one.
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And Amazon is creating something called Halo Fitness, which is a fitness plus like service,
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like everybody's doing now.
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I think this is the next part, right?
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So they all got into TV.
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Now they're all getting into fitness streaming services.
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Amazon had one of these before that kind of like,
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listened to your voice to judge your mood a little bit,
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like in this one has had the mics removed.
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So it's only got any microphones on it.
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- Thank goodness, because that's super creepy.
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- Like the constant listening
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to see how they think you're doing.
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- Yeah, it's like, you seem angry.
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It's like, yeah, I'm angry.
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I'm wearing a Halo fitness device.
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Hey Disney, this is a Disney themed Alexa "experience" they call it.
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This is something that anybody can enable on their existing Echo devices but you have
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to pay for it.
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They're also selling a Mickey Mouse stand for an Echo Show 5 to make it look like it's
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Mickey Mouse.
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This is going to be in all Disney result rooms.
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That's why they've done this.
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I stayed in a hotel once that had an echo in the room and you could control like all the lights and
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the shades and all that kind of stuff with it. I think this is smart like people go to hotels to
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stay in the hotel and they get introduced to what it could be like to have this thing in their home.
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I think that's what they're partnering with Disney for here right like we'll create this thing for
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you we'll make a little thing that looks like Mickey Mouse and then you can put them in all
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of your rooms in all of your hotels all around the world and then millions of people will be exposed
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to our functionality. Amazon's making a smart thermostat. Of course. They've opened invites for
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the ring camera drone. Do you remember this? Yeah, so this is it's got a little base station.
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Yeah. That you like sit on your counter or like on your side table or something and when you're
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not home this little like quadcopter with a ring camera on it flies around your home
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it keeps an eye on things i don't think it does it on its own i think something has to happen for
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it to do that so like if you have an alarm like sensor tripped in the house like say you've got
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like the upstairs window then the then it pops out and flies upstairs this seems weird right but if
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you think about it it means you don't need to put cameras in every room which is better
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i mean until the bad guy like just knocks the drone out of the sky and then steals your tv
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yeah but you've got the image of him it's the same as someone can just pull a camera off the wall
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you still have a flying drone inside the house though yeah but what i'm saying is i don't i
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think that it's easy to assume like to think of this as creepy but it could actually be quite
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useful because like why is this different to put in cameras in like
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multiple rooms of the house? Because it flies. But what's wrong with that?
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What's wrong with the flying? It's creepy. It's a drone inside. Why is that creepy?
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Like inherently I'm just intrigued. Because you have a flying
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object that I don't know if I imagine if things go wrong and there's a bug and
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this thing starts flying around the house. Yeah I mean you know yeah if
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If things go wrong with the camera, nothing happens. It's a stationary device. Here you
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have a list, a component of risk of this thing thinking on its own and saying "I'm just gonna
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go for a stroll." Yeah, I feel like I could beat this thing in a fight though. It's only
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small. It's just like a ring doorbell with a little propeller on the top. I don't know.
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I am, as we'll see in this conversation, I am very much against moving robotics. Okay,
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there's a little teaser. What I say is when I first heard about this I thought it was
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stupid but over the course of this conversation I'm kind of like, "It's not that bad."
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One thing that's cool is you can set up flight paths and so you'll be like, "Oh, fly by the
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stove and see if it's on," which is one of the examples.
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That's cool.
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Which is pretty cool. I definitely filled out the form to request an invitation so maybe
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I'll get to do that.
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This thing is gonna give dogs heart attacks and I feel very sorry about this.
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That's probably true.
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It can also only fly, I'm just reading this now, always home can, can fly up to five minutes
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before needing to recharge.
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Yeah, but also like you're only doing this in emergency situations, right?
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It's not just gonna get up and patrol on its own randomly in the afternoon for you.
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You think so.
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And it's only pre-set flight paths, so if you say I never want you to fly into my bedroom
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or I only want you to fly to my bedroom, it will do that.
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- Look, I understand what you mean Federico,
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but there are so many things that can go wrong, you know?
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And like them going wrong could, like for example,
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all of your echoes could just turn on the microphones
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- Yeah, sure. - Do you want that to happen?
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- No, but it's a microphone, it's not a flying drone.
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- But it's not like, this isn't a drone
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with like a razor blade on the side of it, like.
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Because still, like, what if it starts flying at night and it falls on your head?
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I mean, why should I go looking for trouble?
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This is the smartest.
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The next part.
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Are we seriously okay with an Amazon drone inside of our apartment?
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I'm sorry, but like, I'm gonna be that guy.
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Why are you okay with multiple Amazon microphones in your house?
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Like, I don't know why the drone thing is the issue.
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one but... You only have one echo now? It's a f... I have one echo, yes, in the
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kitchen. Okay. It's... I don't know. This crosses the creepy threshold for me, okay?
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Everyone has one, right? And I'm not saying that you're bad for having it.
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Moving gadgets? Nope. I'm sorry. Do you? What do you think about Roombas?
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I don't have one. So, like, what do you think about them? I just want to... What do you
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think about Roombas? Unnecessary. Just vacuum clean yourself. That's my opinion. So, yeah.
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me I don't know. I'm not looking to fight you. Alright let me talk about what I think
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is the smartest thing that they announced. The Ring Alarm Pro. It's a ring alarm base
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station with an eero built into it. Yes! More of this, right? Like if I'm gonna put one
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box somewhere in the house, make it do a bunch of things, right? So why not put an eero inside
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of an alarm base station? Put an eero inside of the thermostat. But you know what I mean?
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let's bring these products together so I don't have this stack of white boxes in the corner.
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This is very cool. I like that a lot. Did you also see you can get external batteries to keep the
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alarm online if the power goes out? Mine already, I have one. I have the ring alarm thing and it has
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that already so I don't know if this is a different thing. This is I think in addition to that so it
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can run for like hours and hours. Okay. It's pretty cool. I mean the ring alarm thing also has like a
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3G connection too because the Wi-Fi goes out. Yep, I've got one now. I've kind of gone all in on the Ring thing
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Yeah, it's cool. It's cool. I think this is this is smart
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I mean we talked about this with like the HomePod and like
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Airport stuff is like why couldn't Apple just make a thing that I put in my kitchen and takes care of a lot of different
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aspects of a smart home and they're not there but Ring is doing it and
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Amazon owns all these brands and so why not continue to put those things together?
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Astro, this is Amazon's,
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I don't think it should be called a robot,
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but we'll just call it that for the sake of it.
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Okay, so I'm gonna give you the basics.
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This is Astro, okay?
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It's a home security monitoring system and it moves around.
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It has a screen on the front and then a little base
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and the base has some wheels on it.
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It doesn't have arms or legs, it just rolls around.
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It can map your home, it can recognize things
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and you can send it from room to room.
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because it has wheels, it can only be available on one floor of a home.
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And if there's any steps in that home or whatever, then it's going to not work.
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It can only stay where there's no stairs, right?
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Because otherwise it will be destroyed.
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Astro can recognize people so you can deliver items to specific individuals
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because you can put things in it or on it.
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So you could, for example, put like a Coke and say like, take that to Federico.
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And it goes to Federico.
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and Federico would kick it. That's what would happen.
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So Federico comes over and you say, "Hey, take this Coke to Federico."
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And it goes near Federico and he pushes it down the stairs
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and says, "I don't know what happened."
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- What? - It has a periscope camera on it.
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So you could say like, "Hey, check if the oven's on."
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And it would have, because it's low down,
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and it has a little periscope camera that comes up
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and can take a look at things that are high up.
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It can play music, it can play video, like any Echo Show kind of thing.
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It has a USB-C port built into it
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so you can charge things from its internal battery.
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It has a recharging dock of its own.
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It can move around for two hours per charge and then will go back and recharge on its
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own like a Roomba.
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The screen is a 10-inch touchscreen that shows a little face most of the time when it's not
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showing you something else.
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It uses obviously the Alexa assistant and has the voice of that one.
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I read like a couple of articles of people that used it in Carolina Milanesi I think
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was who made an interesting point of like it should have its own voice which is I thought
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was an interesting point rather than the standard one because then it has its own personality.
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This thing's gonna cost a thousand dollars if you are accepted for an invite to buy it.
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So you have to apply for an invite to buy it for a thousand dollars.
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Then $1,500 is what the expected price will be later on.
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Nope, I'm sorry.
00:47:50
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And is this a similar thing of like you just don't like the idea of a moving whole thing?
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We've gone too far.
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Like you don't need a robot to hand deliver you a coke. Like you don't need it. Just move.
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Like you, we have settled into this lazy lifestyle and we are lazy enough as a species, all right?
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Like we have all the comforts in our Western society that we could possibly need. We don't
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need a robot on wheels that follows you around.
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Is there any kind of robot that you could imagine you would want?
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Robots are useful in warehouses, in science, like for example there's robots that do surgeries
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for example.
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Like, robots have a place.
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I'm not saying that.
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I'm saying that this is unnecessary.
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You don't need it.
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This is just...
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Construction?
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I bet robots would be good in construction.
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and that's like I'm not against robots I'm just saying that we don't need this
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stuff to fill our homes with flying drones and robots on wheels like why
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honestly like so here's the thing I pretty much agree with you when it comes
00:49:12
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to this thing all of the stuff it can do I don't know why I need something to do
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any of it right like I have a Roomba that's great because I don't like
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vacuuming right goes around vacuums like fantastic plus you could put a coke on
00:49:28
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the Roomba to take to Federico so you don't need a robot to do very true I
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could I could do them are people delivering cokes to like other people on
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the same floor so when I read that it could do this I was like why like I
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don't think anybody needed it's just a thing it could do right this is a made
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example. It felt very much like what can we make this thing do? Well, we can recognize people so I
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guess we can take things to it? Usually people just go to the fridge and they open the fridge
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and they grab a Coke, like usually. Now, you know, one of the things that I thought was interesting
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in this is like these types of uses could be helpful for people who otherwise struggle with
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movement right and like sure all of us here by the way when we're saying who
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needs this we obviously don't mean that right like sure right like we're gonna
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call an amnesty on this like obviously if there are people that do require this
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kind of assistance helpful for them similar you don't have to say it but
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yeah yeah yeah right like those are use cases where something like this could be
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great but let's be real that's not who Amazon's making it for no right because
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they're making you pay $1,000 for it, right? So like, yes, this could be useful, maybe
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sometime in the future, but like right now, like this product is being made for Amazon
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to profit on it. And so like they are trying to make a product for the three of us to buy,
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ultimately. Now, one thing I will say, actually, Steven, what do you think about this?
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I wouldn't want it in my home, but I think if you did, it would be kind of a fun, weird
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but I kind of I mean I don't I'm more on Federico side I think than I thought I
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would be it's like I don't see really what purpose it really adds like if this
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unlocked something that seemed really meaningful to a to a large percentage of
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the population maybe I'd be more excited about it but it's just basically a toy
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with a camera on it I will make a counterpoint for our opinions right now
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which is the Amazon Echo, right?
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When we saw that for the first time,
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we all laughed at it.
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Like, what do I need this thing for?
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It looks stupid. What?
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Like, you remember the weird ad that they did with the family?
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Remember that?
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-And so, like, you know, maybe in five years' time,
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it could be really cool,
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but with the set of features that it has right now,
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I don't feel like I need this.
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The one thing that I could consider as useful is the periscope camera thing, where it could
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check if the album was on.
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But ultimately that's literally happened to me zero times in my life.
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I think that those kinds of things sometimes are just used as like, "Oh, it can also check
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if this and this."
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And I think I read this in a Verge article where they're like, "Well, it can't turn it
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So, you know, like it can't press buttons so it can tell you the oven's on but then you have to go turn the oven off. So
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Yeah, it's an ink. It feels like very incomplete like every single thing
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It can do there is a big problem with it
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I do think though
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There is a line that that point of view doesn't take into account that a camera is
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fundamentally different than a microphone and having something to Federica's point that
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Has a camera that could be where you don't expect it to be
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Yes is a very different thing than even have a camera looking at your front window
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Yeah, I think that this thing definitely makes the point Federico was was concerned about
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Much more strongly in that Astro will just move around on its own. Mm-hmm
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Which and that's like an intended thing that this will do where the ring drone is supposed to only be in alarm situations
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It's like whole thing is like it just goes around and is there and I think a lot of them will follow you which I also
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Don't I'm not comfortable with
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Yeah, I mean good luck to them. They've done a bunch of things right so they also have done glasses. So, you know
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We'll see what happens and for me. This is a you know a step too far
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I'm sorry, like it's not because it's Amazon could be Facebook could be Apple
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for could be could be Google like
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there's a step too far for me at this point with these things.
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And when it comes to electronics that move and fly or follow me around and have cameras,
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no. I'm sorry, it's why I think headsets are creepy and weird and... no, no.
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Like AR glasses type things you mean, right?
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mean right? No like no not for me I try to have less technology in my life not
00:54:32
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more and like obviously the tech industry wants to go in the opposite
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direction because they want to make more money and they always need to make more
00:54:40
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things all the things but yeah I'm I'm good here thank you. Let's roll. Okay here
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- Follow up.
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- We're never gonna do the ads, man.
00:55:00
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- Fonts on iPad OS.
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So Federico, you mentioned that fonts didn't move over
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the way that you migrated your devices.
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And I realized like, I don't know much about fonts
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on iOS and iPad OS 'cause I don't use any custom ones.
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Could you give us a quick explainer about how this works
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and maybe why people should be interested?
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- Yeah, Apple introduced a native API, I believe,
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for font provider utilities a couple of years ago.
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I think it was iOS 13 maybe.
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Nobody is really using it.
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I think the idea was that with these API font companies
00:55:36
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would be able to release like official apps on the App Store
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so that you can natively buy and install fonts
00:55:44
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from the App Store.
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I think I've seen like maybe like two apps
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two years ago for this.
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Does Adobe have one?
00:55:52
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Maybe they added that feature to their creative cloud apps, maybe.
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And I think we wrote about it.
00:56:00
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I think Jon wrote about it on Mac Stories.
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But when you think of custom fonts, that doesn't solve the problem that most people like us
00:56:14
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and the people who listen to Connected have, which is I have a font file and I want to
00:56:18
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install my own custom font on my iPhone and iPad. That's not what these apps do. If you
00:56:25
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want to do that, because those apps, like, they come with pre-installed fonts, and they
00:56:31
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offer those fonts to the system. So that, for example, if you install an Adobe font,
00:56:36
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you can use the same Adobe font in pages, right? Because the two apps are using the
00:56:40
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same font picker API. Whereas what people want to do is, I just want to use a custom
00:56:45
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font. Like, I want to manually install SF Mono, for example, which is not available via the system-wide
00:56:54
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font picker. How do you do that? And if you want to do that, you still have to use the old system,
00:57:00
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which is based on installing a custom profile on your device. And these days, the best way to do so,
00:57:07
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in my opinion, is FontCase, which those who have been around long enough on Twitter may
00:57:15
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remember FontCase as a different thing from back in the day. It was a desktop
00:57:20
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third-party font utility that's not around anymore. Now, FontCase today is an
00:57:27
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iPhone and iPad utility that lets you install fonts via the old profile-based
00:57:34
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installation method by just picking font files from a file's picker. So what I do
00:57:41
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is I keep my fonts in iCloud Drive,
00:57:44
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and I use Fontcase to install a custom profile
00:57:47
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to make those fonts available in all of the apps
00:57:50
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that I wanna use on my iPhone and iPad.
00:57:52
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But because profiles, they do not transfer over
00:57:57
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when you set up a new iOS or iPadOS device,
00:58:01
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that's what I was complaining about last week.
00:58:04
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Profiles, they stay on the old device,
00:58:07
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they do not move over, and that meant
00:58:10
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that my custom fonts were not following me around
00:58:13
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on the new device because the profiles,
00:58:17
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the profile is basically a file that contains the font
00:58:20
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and it gets installed in settings.
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It doesn't get transferred over, which means no custom font.
00:58:25
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So if you wanna have custom fonts on a new device,
00:58:28
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you gotta start over and do the installation method
00:58:31
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from scratch.
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So yeah, you can have native font providers,
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but they don't let you load custom font files that you may own,
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because maybe you're the kind of person like me
00:58:46
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who actually purchased a license for a specific font.
00:58:51
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That was the dream, right?
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When they announced that they were doing the font thing.
00:58:55
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Like FontBook on the Mac, where you just double-click a font
00:59:00
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and it installs quite easily.
00:59:02
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Or that a third-party app would let you do what you wanted, right?
00:59:05
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Like, it could hook into the API,
00:59:07
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you load a font in there and it just appears.
00:59:09
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You don't need to do this whole profile thing,
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which is really annoying.
00:59:16
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- And the thing that I'm trying to confirm now,
00:59:19
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so they moved, right, where you can find the profiles
00:59:24
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that you have installed in iOS.
00:59:27
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It used to be in Settings General,
00:59:28
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now I have no idea what it is anymore.
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- Because there's like a device something something place.
00:59:34
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Like it's like something on profiles or something like that?
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- So the thing that I wanna confirm is--
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- VPN and device management inside of general settings.
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That's where profiles live. - General, VPN.
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So yeah, what's unfortunate
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about the old font installation method,
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the one based on the profile, is that these fonts,
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they do not show up in settings, general fonts.
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That's the downside.
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That fonts page that was added a couple of years ago,
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that's only for the official, if you will,
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font apps from the App Store.
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But if you wanna do what we were talking about,
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which is I wanna use my custom fonts,
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you gotta use the profile method
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and those fonts, they do not show up in settings,
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which is a shame.
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- I think the other thing people were hoping for too, right,
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was just like a font foundry would create an app
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and you could just buy a license,
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but like it's just not their business model,
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they don't care, right?
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And I don't doubt that, like I don't blame them.
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Why would they care?
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- No, they don't wanna give Apple 30%
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when people can just go on a web browser
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buy those phones.
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- And I'm sure this is what Apple hoped
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people were gonna do too, right?
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- Yeah, so it's not happening, so yeah.
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- All right, here we go again.
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Tables and craft.
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So this is something we've been asking for for a long time,
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the note-taking app craft to get tables.
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It's a start.
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I hope it's a start.
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I hope that this isn't it.
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You say start with a very interesting tone, Myke.
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Why is that?
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Because I don't know if they think that it's it, right?
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Like, they have referenced in, like, you know,
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we want to see how you use them and hear
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about how you use them.
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So here's Myke Hurley telling you if anybody's listening.
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So there are no sorting options in the tables.
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So you can create a table inside of a note.
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It's very easy to add one.
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They've got all the features that you'd
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want for creating one, right?
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You can add and remove rows and columns really easily.
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But there's no sorting options.
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So you can create a column, but you can't
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sort that column in any way.
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There isn't an easy way to rearrange the rows.
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So like you can't like click and drag or tap and drag a row.
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It's, you know, Steven, I know you've gotten the notes
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that you found a way to do it.
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- Yeah, you've got to go into the little more menu
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and then it's like move column left, move column right,
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move row up, move row down.
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And you should just be able to grab it
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and it lift off and move it.
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You know, move them around.
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The way that iWork does it,
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I think iWork is the app to copy here.
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Yeah, I mean, even Google Sheets does it pretty okay,
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to be honest.
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And Apple Notes does it too.
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But I don't know if this is possible to do on iOS at all.
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Oh, okay, hold on.
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If you double tap something,
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I just saw edit rows and columns.
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There we go.
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All right, so you can long press on a cell
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and it will bring up the menu to do that.
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Anyway, not easy.
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And moving one at a time is not great.
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Large tables become scrollable.
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It doesn't continue through the page.
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So a craft document is an infinite page, right?
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You can just keep adding stuff to it.
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But when a table gets beyond a certain set of rows,
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the box becomes fixed in height.
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And then you have to scroll through the table.
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I don't want that.
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Do you understand what I'm saying?
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So like, say it's 20 rows.
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Once you get to like 21, 22, 23,
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you have to scroll the table.
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It doesn't just continue to grow down the page.
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I don't know why they've fixed the height of a chart
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or whatever you call it.
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Does that, am I making sense?
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- Yeah, okay.
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- Right, so I have some large tables
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and I wanna be able to see all of the information in them
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just by scrolling through it.
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Like it's just scrolling down the page.
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It's arbitrary maybe, but I don't know why they've fixed it.
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I've never used an app that does this.
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Notion doesn't do it this way, Notes doesn't do it this way.
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I don't know why there's the need to treat it
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like it's this block which has a restrained height and width
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and then it has to be scroll.
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They're not scaling it in a way that I would want.
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Overall, the whole thing feels pretty delicate.
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It feels very 1.0-y.
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So I hope that they do more,
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like basically what I want is sorting options.
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I don't want them to cap it
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and I want better ways to move the data around
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inside of the chart or the table, however you call it.
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- Yeah, I don't use tables.
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I use Kraft for collaborative documents.
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I actually like the widget a lot
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because you can install multiple widgets
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and have different workspaces.
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- Yeah, it's nice.
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- Into widgets, so that's very cool.
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But I don't, like what sort of data
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do you keep in tables, Myke?
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- Yeah, maybe it's easy if I explain it.
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So also, well, one thing I forgot to mention,
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it doesn't do any calculations of any kind.
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It doesn't need to do that,
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but I would have liked it if it could have.
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So I'll give you the two things that I'm doing.
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So one thing that I do is I have,
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so sales data of the theme system journal,
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I record the sales numbers every week, right?
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So I go in every week and I add a new row,
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and like, okay, this is a day,
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we sold this many?" and then I'll say like "and how many is that over the previous week?"
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and I just record that in there every week. I mean and now I have like a few, like a couple
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of months of data so now I have to scroll it. Like I can't just see the whole thing,
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I now have to scroll it. The other thing that I like, the main thing that I want to do is
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to keep a list of all of the various keyboard parts that I've either bought or are on the
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way to me. And with those, especially with stuff that I'm outstanding, I want to see
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the whole list in one go. I don't want to have to scroll through this list within the
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list. I just want to see it all there. And one of the things I like about Notion for
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this is I can sort by expected arrival date of the product. So I see the bottom of it,
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which is what I could do at the top if I wanted to,
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the things that the dates of delivery
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like a kind of pseudo Kickstarter-y type thing,
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the way a lot of this stuff is sold.
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in just like a little table that I can go through.
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but I didn't wanna put it in a spreadsheet,
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and Notion does it fine for what I need.
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but keeping my eye on craft.
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Like I'm gonna use,
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then I'm gonna continue using this table
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for like the tracking of the sales numbers
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of the Cortex products,
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'cause I was putting it in a bulleted list before.
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to make the data more maneuverable and also more clear.
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- Got it, okay.
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which is shoehorned into whatever they were doing before.
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- That's what it feels like, 'cause that's what's happened.
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but I'm very confident that there's a bunch of things
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that they could do.
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Like even like sorting is like one
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that really needs to exist, I think.
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It kind of feels to me more that they looked at
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the way that you do it in Apple Notes
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than the way you do it in Notion.
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And they were closer to replicating Apple Notes than Notion.
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I agree with all that I'm all in on craft for my notes, and I'm excited to have tables
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But they need to keep pushing it
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Apple watch pre-orders oh
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Stephen this isn't good, but
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Talk to James
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Yep, going then Apple watch pre-orders have been announced for this Friday, which is October 8th
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you can get up and
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Order some Apple watches 5 a.m. Pacific just like the iPhones were a few weeks ago
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They deliver a week later on Friday the 15th as of today
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I just looked they're not in the Apple Store app or on the Apple Store itself. So you can't make a favorite
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You can't have them pre-save for faster checkout
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Maybe they're gonna do that, but maybe not maybe if they're really are constrained they want to slow people down and ordering them
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I don't know my biggest issue right now is like it's not even very clear to see like what are all of the colors that
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Are available like I can see all the aluminium, but like I can't see that. We'll stay in the still ones that I have
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Do they have titanium ones like?
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You know, I mean you can you can see that on the product page. Yeah, there's not a store page for all that
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It's very strange, but they don't even really show on the product page
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Like if you look on the product page, it doesn't clearly show you like these are all the things we have available
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Because they have all the aluminium colours, but when you go down, you scroll down, you see like half of an image of some of the colours.
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So, it's very compl- it's like, not very clear, but I don't know.
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Are you two gonna order an Apple Watch?
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I don't know.
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Do you want one?
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I think we're gonna get a- I think Sylvia wants one for sure.
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I haven't really looked into this. I think I'm gonna get the stainless steel one again.
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Do you get this the regular stainless steel? Yeah. I don't know if they do the colors like black.
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Yeah but I feel like this time I want to go to the Apple store and check it out in person.
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Like I don't care about getting it day one. I think now that we can go again, we went to the
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mall today and that was super nice. But now that we can go again I think I'm just gonna go check
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it out for myself in real life and see if there's like any other color that I
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like more. Mm-hmm. Steven? I'm gonna get Mary one for sure.
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She's on a Series 5 on the small one so the battery life is not fantastic two
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years in and she's I'm gonna do the starlight for her she has that on her
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phone and really likes it and I showed her the other ones and she's like yeah
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all these colors are bad. I was like yep, yes they are. So she'll get an aluminum starlight the
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small one I'm still on the fence if I order I'll do the titanium again but I
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haven't made up my mind yet I think I'm gonna go gold stainless steel but I want
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to see at least on the website somewhere but yeah I don't know when I'm gonna
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pick it up either but I'm interested in it I do think actually Federico this
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finally means that we can settle the fact that I have won the bet which one
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That you bet that I would buy a series six.
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And what was the bet? I'm supposed to give you money?
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I don't think there was anything. The bet was just you said I would do it and I said
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I wouldn't do it. Interesting.
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And the stakes I think are just I know me better than you know me.
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Well, that was like, that's why I had this bet to, you know, to make you feel good about
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the fact that you know yourself. Oh, come on. You can't always win everything,
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know. I just did. So. Well, okay. You should thank me if anything. Thank you so much for
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helping me truly understand myself and my own value. You're welcome.
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Two. Follow up, follow up, tvOS. Okay, so tvOS, Logical Sky and the members Discord
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said "I'm so upset that Myke's tvOS app review" and it's not an app, but it's not, you know,
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correct yourself Logical Sky.
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- TV OS review did not even mention the key feature
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of TV OS that they fixed the Apple TV and AirPlay interface.
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You can now see episode information,
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So I had to look into all of this
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there are now buttons that exist.
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So there's, you've got like the name of the show itself,
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right, and like the scroll bar and stuff,
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and then you have a subtitles button,
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an audio options button, and a picture in picture button.
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You can scroll over to those and click them.
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You can go down to the play head,
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that you're watching, you know, where it's like,
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hey, here's the description of the episode,
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that kind of thing.
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I'm not sure why the quote audio options button
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looks like a bar chart.
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It's very interesting to me.
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Like I don't know why that was what they chose.
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- It's like a visualizer of three bars.
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- But there's some stuff that's better.
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So I have some better options for you.
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So you can bring these controls on screen
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by tapping the touch surface as we always have, right?
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To bring up the controls.
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or you can now just click the up button on the new remote.
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So you don't have to tap anymore,
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you just press up and these things will appear.
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And if you wanna see the information about the show itself,
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you just click on the down button.
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You don't have to do the tapping and swiping anymore.
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You could just, from there being nothing on screen,
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click the down button
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and you'll see the episode information,
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get to chapters if it's got chapters in it,
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that kind of stuff.
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And because I obviously dropped the ball here,
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I've written another haiku.
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you can use buttons to control what is playing,
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not just touchpad.
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We can now close the book on the TV-RS review.
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I will accept no more on the follow-up
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and it is now complete.
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- It's beautiful.
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- All right, you ready to listen to me roll the dice
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for a really long time?
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- Yep, we need a 10, 11 or 12.
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- Two, three.
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- Hey, okay.
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- This is much more dramatic for me
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as the person who can see the dice.
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All right. Well, I already rolled a 12. So the next roll. The next one. Go. Wait, you
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You want me to roll it now?
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Oh, 'cause we already did 12, didn't we?
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- Yeah, we did 12.
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Well, but I guess this is the interesting part is now everybody really wants to hear that ad.
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I think that does it. I think we're done.
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Doesn't the episode just have to immediately end now because we didn't actually put a dice roll to the final segment?
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Oh, that's true.
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I guess not because we didn't put a dice roll to your intro of this thing either.
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That was before this was introduced, you know.
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Maybe we can roll the dice until the numbers three six six individually come
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out which would be the episode number and that means we're done with episode
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366 but that's a terrible idea because I also gotta make dinner. I can just roll the
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six sided dice. Five. No, no, no, stop, stop. Three. Six. Okay. Four. No. Seven.
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Oh, I pressed the wrong button there.
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One, one, two, six.
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Wrap it up, we're done.
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sure how I'm gonna do that this week. Does it even matter this week? I guess I'll figure it out.
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Does it even matter?
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Oh man, it's actually probably worse because you have to just listen to the dice rolls and then nothing happens.
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You've accidentally destroyed your business for the Japes, so Matt, respect to you, Steven.
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Yeah, I hope you're happy with yourself, Steven. We're not gonna get paid for the ads and no one's gonna sign up for the ad-free version.
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You did it for the Japes and we salute you, Steven. Well done.
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Thank you. Thank you all. You can find us all online. Federico is on Twitter at Viti,
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V-I-T-I-C-C-I, and he's the editor-in-chief of MaxStories.net. Federico, what's going on at MaxStories?
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I'm working on shortcuts. I'm working on focus modes, and we are in the early...
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Not so early, actually. I would say maybe mid-tier planning stages for the Max Stories Selects awards.
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Those are coming up. Trophies, baby! Trophies, and those are coming up. And so we're now
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going through all the apps and updates that have come out in 2021 so far, and
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decisions will be made in the near future. So we'll see. It should be fun. Okay, that's awesome.
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You can find Myke on Twitter as @imyke.
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Myke's on a bunch of other shows here on Relay FM.
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He does the Friday Keyboard Club over on Twitch.
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Anything else, Myke?
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Not for the next couple of weeks.
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You can go to clotexmerch.com and buy yourself a journal or a notebook.
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We had to listen to you talk about calendars for like two months.
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That's true.
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Yeah, I mean you literally did a Kickstarter for calendars.
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Yeah, it's true.
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At least he's got an actual company. You're just making calendars in your office.
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Your calendar's not a company, yeah. The Cal-Axe Co. You should call your calendar company Cal-Axe.
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I bought a Cal-Axe today. Cal- like calendar.
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Well, you can find me online. I'm on Twitter as ismh. I write over at 512pixels.net.
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Oh, there's a bunch of other shows here on Relay FM.
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I'd like to thank our sponsors.
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I really would like to thank them.
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They're just the best.
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Go to the websites.
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Please go there.
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Thank you to our members and gentlemen.
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Until next week, say goodbye.
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- Arrivederci.
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- Bye, y'all.
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I absolutely adore that the ads are part of this.