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     [MUSIC PLAYING] 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Hello, and welcome to Connected, episode 366. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It's made possible by our sponsors, CleanMyMacX, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Squarespace, and Smile. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     My name is Stephen Hackett, and I am joined 
     
     
  
 
 
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     by Mr. Federico Vittucci. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
 
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     How are you? 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     How are you, my friend? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I am very good, yes. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     We're also joined by Myke Early, our other friend. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Salud, Steven. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     Hello, other friend. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     How are you? 
     
     
  
 
 
 
 
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     I'm speaking in Romanian today. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     This is what I decided to do. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Oh, interesting. Okay. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     How much Romanian do you know? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     You just heard it, my friend. You got it. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Oh, that's it? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     That's it? Okay. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     When it comes to just, like, general conversation, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     that was it. You got it. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Other than that, it's the occasional word here or there. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I'll work on it. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Okay. I have some very exciting news. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     We closed out our St. Jude campaign. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I'm gonna read the exact number. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     $701,220.26. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Man, I wish they had that hype button nearby right now. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I don't know where mine is. I got a bell. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Bam, bam, bam, bam, bam, bam. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     There you go. I made the noise. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Bam, bam, bam, bam, bam, bam. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Bam, bam, bam, bam, bam. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It's incredible. Thank you so much to everybody that donated. We could not have 
     
     
  
 
 
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     even dreamt of that number, I feel like. I know I didn't. It's truly incredible. Thank you. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So here's the thing. September is a very exciting time, right? I woke up this morning and checked 
     
     
  
 
 
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     the fundraising page and then remembered that it was over. So I'm just looking for some excitement. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     You just want to feel alive again? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Podcastathon again next Friday! 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     What if September was twice a year? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Like what if you had September one and September two? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And that will let you do two podcastathons. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Doesn't our calendar come from ancient Rome in a way that's your fault that we 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     Look, I'm not responsible for what my ancestors did, you know, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     killing each other off in a colosseum like this. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     That's probably a good, good, like, just like a good general rule to take. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     I will also say I am not responsible for what my ancestors did. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
 
 
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     Does America even have ancestors? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     You're like four weeks old as a country. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
 
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     There's some pretty crappy stuff in those four weeks. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Oh, that's true. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Yeah, it was a pretty bad four weeks as far as four weeks ago. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So here's the thing. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     During September, we gamify everything. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Everything is exciting. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I just want to feel something again. So I have come up with something called the connected 
     
     
  
 
 
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     raffle. Wait, what is happening? Okay. Well, I just want to state this, this, whatever 
     
     
  
 
 
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     this is, is this a secret topic? Okay. Steven has decided to do this 100% on his own and 
     
     
  
 
 
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     has now has now branded something with the entire show. So maybe me and me and Federico 
     
     
  
 
 
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     will not apologize for what Steven's doing. You know? Yeah. I also don't know what's a 
     
     
  
 
 
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     a raffle. So, okay, let me start from the beginning. You draw a number and then you 
     
     
  
 
 
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     win. So if we all had tickets and Jason was on stage, because Jason can pick a number 
     
     
  
 
 
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     out of a hat, he can't flip a coin, but he can pick a number. So it's like a lottery? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Yes. Like a lottery. Yes. Okay. So what I've done, I've broken today's show down into 11 
     
     
  
 
 
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     components. And Myke, you need to have dice by P Calc ready. We have done this before. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     had an episode of a bunch of mini topics and then someone had to choose a number. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Well this time Dice by Peacock is doing it. I've done all the topics. I've broken 
     
     
  
 
 
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     follow-up into four sections and I put the ads in. It's gonna be fun. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Yes, this is amazing! 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I'm sorry, I'm the guy who doesn't get any sort of game like... 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Try explaining it again. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Try explaining it again. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     So say that we roll a six, then we talk about tables in the craft app. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     If we roll a ten, I read the Squarespace ad. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     All right, so hold on, hold on. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Et cetera, et cetera. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I need to try and explain this. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I'm completely lost. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     All right, all right, all right. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So Federico, what Stephen's done is he's taken the show today and behind the scenes cut it 
     
     
  
 
 
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     into 11 separate chunks. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So we don't see it. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Stephen's done it. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Okay, now we see it. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - Yeah, so T's taken 11 segments and put them together. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And now I guess we'll be rolling, what, an 11? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Like how do I go for 11? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - There's an 11 side, Dias, right? 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     - Is there a 12? 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     - Okay, I will break up iOS 15.1 and tvOS. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - There you go, so we now have 12 things. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And so what if we get the same number? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Do we re-roll? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Yeah, yeah, because I can't read the Squarespace ad four times, I'd be in trouble with Carrie, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     so I absolutely adore that the ads are part of this, because we could just like triple 
     
     
  
 
 
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     the ads in one go. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     Probably, I actually don't know if we, we'll find out if that's a problem later on, I suppose. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Maybe we don't get paid for this episode, we'll see. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And then I guess Steven can compensate me and Federico for his idea. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I really enjoy this. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     This is a lot of fun. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     I guess I should roll the dice, right? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - Yeah, and do it where we can hear it 
     
     
  
 
 
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     so you're not secretly, you know, behind the scenes. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - Oh yeah, okay, so I have to turn on speak dice. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     And play dice sounds. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I don't know why it said D12. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It's five is the answer. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I'll try and see if I can, oh, speak results. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     That's what I needed. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Number five is what we're starting with. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - Okay, some follow-up. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     The iPad Mini is a great bathtub iPad. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I put this in the show notes, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     which I thought would be fun for Federico 
     
     
  
 
 
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     because I would almost assume that he would naturally assume 
     
     
  
 
 
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     that you put this in there. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     But I have taken two bathtub baths, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I don't know why I said it like that, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     in the past couple of weeks, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and I've used the iPad mini both times. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I have one of those things 
     
     
  
 
 
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     that goes over the top of the bath, right? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     That you can put things on, you know what I mean? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Like it's like a little shelf. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - Yeah, I got one too, it's great. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Yeah, and I've been, I have my iPad mini in there 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and watching videos and stuff on it. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It's really good. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     'Cause the big iPad, I always worry 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I'm gonna knock it into the bathtub. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And is that, do you just watch things? 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     - Yeah, yeah, I just watch things. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I don't think you could read on it. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I don't think I'd feel comfortable reading. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - No, you don't wanna touch it 
     
     
  
 
 
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     'cause you're, if your hands are bubbly. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - So that's that. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - Federico's not really a bath person. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     He seems noticeably silent in this section. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - Do you have a bathtub Federico? 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     You do have a laptop. Okay. Yeah, I use it. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Oh, you check a bath. Yeah, I don't bring my electronics in it. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Do you listen to things when you're in the bath? It's just like quiet time for Federico. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It's just quiet time. Yeah. Just relaxing time, you know? Yeah, I don't. I prefer to 
     
     
  
 
 
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     read like at night or when I'm just like, like an afternoon break on the couch with 
     
     
  
 
 
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     my dogs. Like, I don't play games, I don't read books. I just lay there and usually fall 
     
     
  
 
 
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     asleep. You fall asleep in the bathtub? Oh yeah, sometimes. You know, light some scented 
     
     
  
 
 
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     candles. That's nice. Wow, you're having the most bath. Yeah, that's like big, big time 
     
     
  
 
 
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     bath. Yeah, and we have... Mega bath. You know, we have the scented, like the flavored, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     they call it the salts that they do. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     - Vassalts and the different colors. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     That's cool. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     But no devices in the bathtub, no. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - All right, should I roll the dice? 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     - Did you hear that? 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     It's very quiet. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - All right, well, 'cause the issue is 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I have to leave my phone off silent, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     but it's on Do Not Disturb anyway, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     so I'm sure it won't avoid people too much. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - That's fine. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - It was number one. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     All right, Myke, you want to tell us about iOS 15.0.1? 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     - It shipped last week and breaking news, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     it restored the functionality for the mask unlock. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     - It totally did. - Really? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - Yeah, breaking news, it's back. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Federico, are you on like 15.1 on your iPhone? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - Yes, I am, on all my devices in fact. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - Why, I mean, when I say, I was gonna say, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     You ask why? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Why? But it was more like why? Why do you continue to keep the beta on now? 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     Because you're not writing a review about it, you know? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     No, but I think I'm going to have an article about it. It's always interesting to see what 
     
     
  
 
 
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     fixes and what features make it in the first point release. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Yeah, I guess point one is probably the one to keep it on for, right? Because that's everything 
     
     
  
 
 
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     we didn't get to. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Yeah, but there's also a matter of shortcuts is unusable in 15.0.1 or whatever the stable is. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Is it also, is it usable in 15.1? 
     
     
  
 
 
 
 
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     Beta 3 just came out a few minutes ago before the show and I'm hoping that we're gonna get some more fixes in shortcuts, but it's bad. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It's very bad. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So that's part of the reason why I keep it on all my devices is at the very least it's got like 
     
     
  
 
 
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     some minimal functionality added to the editor that makes it barely usable. But like in beta 2, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     for example, I could not edit a shortcut on my iPhone at all. So one of my shortcuts had 
     
     
  
 
 
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     a little too many nested blocks. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     You know when you drag in a block of actions in shortcuts 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and it gets indented in the editor? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Like it's sort of like it's slightly indented 
     
     
  
 
 
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     to the right side of the screen? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Well, you add enough of those, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:10:38
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     and basically all my actions had disappeared 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:10:41
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     into the right side of the editor. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:10:44
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     - They're just tucking them away in there, man. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:10:45
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     - They're tucking them away. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:10:46
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     They were hiding. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:10:47
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     It's like, "No, don't touch us. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:10:49
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     Don't modify us, please." 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:10:52
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     Enough with the base64! 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:10:57
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     So I had to use my iPad, but the iPad had different bugs, so it's been challenging to 
     
     
  
 
 
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     work with shortcuts lately. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:11:04
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     I'm hoping that beta 3 makes it better. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:11:06
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     I have a weird thing on my iPad where just one shortcut that I use a lot isn't working, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:11:11
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     but it works on every other device that I have. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:11:14
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     I think I shared this with you, and I get this weird NS-Coco... 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:11:19
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     Oh John gets the same error! 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:11:21
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     - And I tried doing what you suggested to me, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:11:23
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     which was to reset all the privacy. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:11:25
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     That did not work, no. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:11:26
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     - You know what you and Jon have in common, Myke? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:11:30
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     You run Federico's beta shortcuts. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:11:33
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     - Yeah, yeah, I'm sure that's broken something somewhere. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:11:36
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     - Jon gets NS file provider error domain on his iPhone. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:11:41
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     - Mine is something else. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:11:43
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     I wanna see if I can, I know I put it in a iMessage thread. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:11:48
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     include steps to reproduce. I don't want to do that. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:11:55
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     ► 
     NS... wow man this is gonna take me ages to find. But yeah hopefully this 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:12:02
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     ► 
     gets better in beta 3. NS Coco error domain 3840. Ah sure, that one. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:12:10
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     And it just says open the shortcut for more details. There's no details. And there 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:12:13
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     are no details. There's no details. I know. It's like open for more details. Like yes 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:12:17
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     there are more details now I can finally understand and then you tap it and nothing happens. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:12:22
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     Zero details. Like all this is supposed to be doing is uploading a pdf to a to a dropbox file. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:12:29
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     ► 
     That's all this is supposed to do. So all this does is I get a pdf and it's like a receipt 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:12:36
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     and I just want to upload it to dropbox and does not and this is what I'm left with. So 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:12:43
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     Shout out to the dice again. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
	 00:12:51
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     ► 
     Why is all the follow up at the beginning? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:12:53
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     Myke, are you playing us? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:12:55
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     You can hear it. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:12:57
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     What do you think I can do with that? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:12:58
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     Like, it's silent. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:13:01
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     I cannot hear it. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:13:03
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     I mean, I could try turning it up. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:13:06
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     Yeah, and stick the thing around the microphone. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
 
	 00:13:09
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     Well, it was 4. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:13:10
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     4 was the number. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:13:12
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     ► 
     I can show you a screenshot if you want it. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:13:14
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     ► 
     If this show goes perfectly in order, I'm going to be extremely disappointed. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:13:18
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     ► 
     I mean, it's not perfectly in order. We've got 154. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:13:21
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     ► 
     Yeah, but we've done top of the following. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:13:23
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     I did have a thought a minute ago, by the way, that when we get down to the back half, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:13:26
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     there could be a lot of dice rolling until we get the numbers that are left. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:13:30
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     ► 
     We'll have to work out how to fix that. Oh, you know. Okay, great. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:13:32
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     I thought through this. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:13:35
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     We spoke about SwiftUI and how it seems like maybe it's really good for some types of applications, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:13:42
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     but not ready for others. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:13:43
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     ► 
     I got a really nice email from our friend_davidsmith, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:13:48
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     who is probably, in addition to being the world's 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:13:51
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     ► 
     most educated developer about Apple Watch development, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:13:55
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     he probably also has the most popular SwiftUI app 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:13:58
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     in Widgetsmith. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:13:59
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     - I think that's probably fair to say. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:14:00
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     Like, who else has got an app bigger than Widgetsmith 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:14:03
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     ► 
     that's entirely in SwiftUI, right? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:14:05
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     Like, that feels pretty fair. - No one. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:14:07
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     - I can't imagine that anybody does. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:14:10
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     - Yeah, so I'm gonna read a little bit 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:14:11
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     about what he wrote, because I think it's really good. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:14:14
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     - I could have said shortcuts in iOS 15, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:14:16
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     but you know, that's the joke. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:14:18
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     - I bet more people use Widgetsmith. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:14:22
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     ► 
     - I think so too. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:14:24
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     ► 
     - Interesting, okay. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:14:25
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     ► 
     You think so? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:14:28
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     ► 
     - There was a clarification, I think I wrote this down 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:14:31
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     ► 
     in a minute somewhere, independent was the, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:14:33
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     ► 
     but because I'm sure there's other apps on iOS 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:14:37
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     ► 
     that are written in SwiftUI, but as an independent app, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:14:41
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     ► 
     Like a developer has no say over SwiftUI, right? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:14:44
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     ► 
     Like can't call someone in the SwiftUI department 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:14:47
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     ► 
     to ask them why this isn't working, you know? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:14:50
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     ► 
     - So Underscore wrote, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:14:51
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     "SwiftUI is absolutely ready for production 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:14:53
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     "and is capable of delivering robust user experiences." 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:14:57
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     ► 
     Then he talks about how he uses WidgetSmith 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:14:58
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     and how it's been excellent for him there. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:15:00
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     "SwiftUI also has profound limitations." 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:15:03
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     ► 
     This is what I really liked. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:15:04
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     "It possesses a constrained circle of competence, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:15:07
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     ► 
     "a limited area of features and functions 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:15:10
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     ► 
     that is able to do an adequate job of performing. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:15:13
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     ► 
     If a developer ever steps outside 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:15:15
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     of the circle of competence, then their users 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:15:17
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     ► 
     are severely punished and the experience will be awful. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:15:21
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     ► 
     The circle expands every year, but if an app's features cannot 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:15:24
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     ► 
     be completely encompassed by what SwiftUI can do, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:15:27
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     ► 
     then there just isn't an appropriate tool for the job. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:15:30
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     ► 
     This was funny for me when I was reading this. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:15:35
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     ► 
     I was thinking, oh, Dave's disagreeing with us. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:15:38
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     ► 
     Like, because the first point, it's like, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:15:40
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     ► 
     SwiftUI has been excellent for me, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:15:43
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     ► 
     and enabled a wide range of features 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:15:45
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     ► 
     that would have taken dramatically longer 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:15:46
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     to create in traditional UI kit. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:15:48
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     ► 
     I was like, oh no, I've upset Dave. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:15:50
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     ► 
     And then he's like, oh, by the way, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:15:52
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     ► 
     if you do anything even a little bit more 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:15:56
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     ► 
     than it wants you to do, it will punish you. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:15:58
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     ► 
     And I think that this is a good example, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:16:01
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     ► 
     'cause what we were trying to get across last week, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:16:03
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     ► 
     I don't know if we did a good job of explaining it, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:16:05
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     ► 
     was the main issue seems to be, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:16:08
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     ► 
     If you take an existing app that people use and know, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:16:12
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     ► 
     and then decide you're gonna make a SwiftUI version, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:16:15
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     you will cause pain. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:16:16
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     ► 
     Like if it's complicated, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:16:18
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     ► 
     and you decide you're gonna move it over, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:16:20
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     ► 
     things aren't gonna work the same. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:16:22
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     ► 
     And I think that was what we were trying to get to. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:16:24
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     ► 
     And as we've been, it's a running joke now at the episode, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:16:27
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     ► 
     Shortcuts is a good example of this, right? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:16:29
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     ► 
     It was a very complicated existing application 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:16:32
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     ► 
     that they moved to SwiftUI, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:16:33
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     ► 
     and it got some really nice features 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:16:35
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     ► 
     and some nice design stuff. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:16:37
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     ► 
     but there is a bunch of problems with it. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:16:39
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     ► 
     - Yeah, that's really the... 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:16:41
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     ► 
     And also what Dave says about the circle of competence, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:16:45
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     ► 
     like what we were saying about complex experiences 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:16:49
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     ► 
     and complex apps. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:16:50
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     ► 
     Like when you have these productivity tools usually, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:16:54
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     ► 
     where you have all kinds of different controls, right? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:16:57
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     ► 
     And you have all like shortcut, again, look at shortcuts. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:17:00
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     ► 
     You have multi-window, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:17:01
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     ► 
     you have different multitasking states, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:17:03
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     ► 
     you have drag and drop, but also copy and paste. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:17:05
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     ► 
     You have context menus, then you have sliders, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:17:09
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     ► 
     and you have dropdowns, and you have model windows. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:17:12
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     ► 
     Like, you have all kinds of controls 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:17:14
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     ► 
     overlapping with each other and having 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:17:16
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     ► 
     to coexist within the same editor experience. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:17:20
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     ► 
     It's a complicated experience. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:17:22
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     ► 
     This is not like a wallpaper app or something, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:17:25
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     ► 
     or a utility to let you pick a watch face. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:17:28
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     ► 
     This is a complex programming tool. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:17:32
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     ► 
     and they decided to move from the previous version to the SwiftUI version, and that's been causing 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:17:39
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     ► 
     a whole bunch of problems to existing users. Users didn't demand a framework rewrite, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:17:46
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     ► 
     users just wanted to keep using shortcuts and maybe have a bunch of new actions. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:17:50
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     ► 
     The problem is you are forcing your internal decisions, your technical decisions upon users, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:17:59
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     ► 
     And it's not like shortcuts in 15, it's this major upgrade, right? I mean, as we've seen in my review, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:18:06
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     ► 
     like, sure, there's a bunch of actions, the files actions are welcome, but they haven't revolutionized. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:18:12
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     ► 
     And I think it looks like, visually, just when it is working, it looks way nicer and cleaner, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:18:18
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     ► 
     but I don't know if you needed to change to SwiftUI to do that. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:18:24
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     ► 
     And I wonder if they would have done it at all if they weren't bringing it to the Mac. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:18:29
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     ► 
     And the Mac version on Monterey is just a disaster visually. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:18:37
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     ► 
     I mean, lots of weirdness, lots of broken things. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:18:40
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     ► 
     And we're... it's October! We're pretty close to when Monterey is probably 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:18:44
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     ► 
     going to ship. I mean, I think it'd be in the next 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:18:46
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     ► 
     four to six weeks. I just don't know why they felt like that it had to 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:18:50
     ◼
      
     ► 
     go down this road. I saw screenshots of the Mac version 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:18:54
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     ► 
     sent to me by John, who was testing some of my shortcuts a few days ago. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:18:59
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     ► 
     It's bad. Like, it's in a bad state. Like, alerts that are empty and spanning the full height of the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:19:06
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     ► 
     display or contextual menus that appear in the wrong place. Shortcuts that don't open at all. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:19:14
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     ► 
     Like, it's at least as of beta 8, which again, beta 9 came out a few minutes ago, we cannot test it. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:19:21
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     ► 
     But as of Beta 8, it was not good. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:19:25
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     ► 
     It was not nice. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:19:27
     ◼
      
     ► 
     And it's slightly concerning, I think. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:19:30
     ◼
      
     ► 
     - Yeah, and as Jason points out in the Discord, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:19:34
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     ► 
     was Catalyst not an option? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:19:36
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     ► 
     Like, it's just sitting right there. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:19:38
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     ► 
     I don't know. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:19:39
     ◼
      
     ► 
     I'd love to hear what went into this decision. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:19:41
     ◼
      
     ► 
     And I think Federighi said this on an interview, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:19:45
     ◼
      
     ► 
     maybe I'm just making it up, but like, someone said it, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:19:48
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     ► 
     that by shortcuts using SwiftUI, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:19:51
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     ► 
     it's like push SwiftUI in new directions and they're like building things out just for the shortcuts team, but it's not enough. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:19:58
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     ► 
     Well, it was similar of Catalyst too, right? When Apple started making more of their apps in Catalyst it pushes it. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:20:04
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     ► 
     Look, and I agree with this thinking and I'm very sure that SwiftUI is going to 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:20:11
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     ► 
     be everything to everyone in the future. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:20:15
     ◼
      
     ► 
     But the point that we were making last time and continuing to make today is that I 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:20:21
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     ► 
     not sure that that time is now. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:20:23
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     ► 
     And if you make this decision, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:20:26
     ◼
      
     ► 
     you've got to make it real careful. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:20:29
     ◼
      
     ► 
     Because if you commit to this, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:20:30
     ◼
      
     ► 
     I don't know, like, I don't know. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:20:33
     ◼
      
     ► 
     How long is it going to take them to fix 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:20:36
     ◼
      
     ► 
     the issues that you're seeing in shortcuts? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:20:38
     ◼
      
     ► 
     Like, could it be fixed in a month? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:20:40
     ◼
      
     ► 
     Or is it going to take a year? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:20:41
     ◼
      
     ► 
     It's like they forced you to move into a new house 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:20:45
     ◼
      
     ► 
     and construction is still going. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:20:46
     ◼
      
     ► 
     And you're like, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:20:48
     ◼
      
     ► 
     I was perfectly fine where I was and now there's this whole big mess around me. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:20:54
     ◼
      
     ► 
     And like, I don't know how long it'll take, right? Nobody knows. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:21:01
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     ► 
     Maybe it won't be long, right? Maybe, who knows? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:21:03
     ◼
      
     ► 
     Maybe it won't be. Maybe it won't be long. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:21:06
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     ► 
     But it's not, you know, we keep... Every year we have these discussions about how, like, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:21:12
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     and it becomes approachable by the masses. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And you have to wonder, like, what's the first impression 
     
     
  
 
 
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     if when people upgrade their devices, they see this, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and they think it's their fault, but it's not their fault, right? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It's bugs in the app. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     What's the kind of first-run experience 
     
     
  
 
 
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     that you get from that? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And also, there's a whole other argument to have here, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     like, is Apple still really chasing that dream of, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     let's make programming approachable to the masses. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Have they given up on it? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Because on the one hand, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     you don't see any meaningful improvements 
     
     
  
 
 
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     in terms of shortcuts on the Apple Watch, for example, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     or shortcuts in Siri. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     You don't have changes for those features 
     
     
  
 
 
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     that are in theory the mainstream flavors of shortcuts. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     But then you see some power user improvements 
     
     
  
 
 
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     on iOS, HyperOS, the Mac version, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     all the automator stuff. So is Apple accepted that there's only so far they can go when it comes to 
     
     
  
 
 
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     making shortcuts more approachable to regular people? And that's a different discussion. What 
     
     
  
 
 
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     we have here is a problematic rewrite of an existing app that does not make for a good 
     
     
  
 
 
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     first impression, right? But also only 20% of people appear to have updated to iOS 15, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     so there's also that. Like, I was checking out the latest numbers from Mixpanel yesterday. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I keep a note of these adoption rate numbers throughout the whole year, and iOS 15 is 
     
     
  
 
 
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     considerably lagging behind 14. I mean, obviously, right? 14 had the new home screen and widgets. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     15, in comparison, has nothing. So it's not surprising that only 22% of existing users have 
     
     
  
 
 
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     updated to 15. Also because if you go to the software update screen on iOS 14, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Apple is not really pushing that upgrade. There's only like a small link at the bottom that says, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     "Oh, iOS 15 is also available." So it's a complex conversation, and maybe Apple is enforcing these 
     
     
  
 
 
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     updates because there's a whole bunch of problems, right? Not just in shortcuts. iPadOS has its own 
     
     
  
 
 
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     share of problems, for example. Like, there's still no way to reopen a window that you have 
     
     
  
 
 
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     accidentally closed from the shelf. Like, just to name one problem. So maybe these updates 
     
     
  
 
 
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     aren't being pushed so aggressively because Apple knows that they have to fix a few things 
     
     
  
 
 
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     before, and maybe in a couple of months they'll go, "Oh yeah, iOS 15, big splashy screen 
     
     
  
 
 
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     in settings, go update now," because all the bugs have been fixed. I don't know. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     All right, you ready? Yes. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
 
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     That's such a strange transition. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So yeah, this week marked 10 years since the passing of Steve Jobs. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Which is, these things, they have a way of creeping up. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Like one, I never remember, it's around this time of year. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And also I kind of can't believe it's been 10 years. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And there's been a bunch of things, like I'm going to put some links in the show notes. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     One, Apple put a video on their website. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Somebody put it on YouTube. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I put that in there. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Johnny Ive wrote a really nice article, editorial, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I think in the "Wallship Journal" magazine. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     This is the first time I've ever read anything in Apple News. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It's freely available in Apple News in its entirety. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I guess if, or maybe like I get Apple News Plus, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I don't know, maybe 'cause I'm on the iCloud premiere thing, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     whatever they call it. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Tim Cook obviously wrote a memo to staff 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And Scott Forstall had a very nice tweet, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     which I actually wanna read 'cause it's just a tweet. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I found this kind of touching, I think we all did. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     "10 years ago today, I lost a mentor, colleague, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     "collaborator, design partner, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     "and most importantly, a friend, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     "when Steve Jobs left us too soon. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     "He had an incalculable effect on everyone he impacted, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     "which as far as I can tell, is everyone on the planet." 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Like that is such a beautiful line. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     That's like so good. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And Johnny Ives, I don't even know if I can read quotes 
     
     
  
 
 
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     from that 'cause it gets me. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     You can feel in every word that he writes his sadness, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I think, and that one, it's a very beautiful article 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I recommend people read, sorry. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     But it is, I don't know, it's tough. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     That video has now been taken down, by the way, so sorry. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     You know the YouTube video that you put in the link, Stephen? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - Yeah. - That you put in the note, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     soon yeah I think apples apples taking care I think Tim Cook had a tweet with 
     
     
  
 
 
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     the embedded maybe we can put that in the notes oh great I'll find that put 
     
     
  
 
 
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     that in there too yeah it's hard to believe it's been a decade yep it it 
     
     
  
 
 
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     really is and I mean I think people in our community like everyone has a 
     
     
  
 
 
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     different connection to Steve Jobs and I think some people more than others but 
     
     
  
 
 
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     there's no doubt that he left an impact on on all of us and and and that I think 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Apple is his greatest creation, right? Not any individual product, but the machine that 
     
     
  
 
 
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     makes the products. I think it's what he really focused on towards the end. And, you know, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     we all get to continue to benefit from that. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Yeah, this makes me feel weird. I don't like to think about this. It was also not a good 
     
     
  
 
 
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     year for me, like 10 years ago. That's right before I was diagnosed and this was happening. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     So, not a happy year at all. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     But I can't believe it's 10 years already. Wow. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And yeah, that Johnny Ive article is beautiful. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So go check it out. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     You can click the Apple News link and it takes you to Apple News and you can read it for free. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     At least that worked for me and I'm not an Apple News subscriber or anything. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Yeah, I don't really know what to say about this, to be honest. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     it's not the same 
     
     
  
 
 
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     You know like apples not the same. No, that's not what I mean yeah, yeah, no, but like 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Yes, they that is 
     
     
  
 
 
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     obviously like 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Obviously true right like it is you cannot argue right, but that would be the same for anybody 
     
     
  
 
 
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     That has passed away. It worked at Apple. You know link. It's not the same because he's not there, but like I just mean that like 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Because the problem with saying that is people are like, "Yeah, you know, Tim Cook sucks!" 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And it's not what I'm saying. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It's not that. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     It's not that. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     The point is it's like, so you watch that video, right, that Tim Cook tweeted. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Everything just feels different. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     The presentations are different because he did them, right? 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     And it's not that the products are better or worse, but it's because there's been stuff 
     
     
  
 
 
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     that's better and stuff that's worse, same as when he was there, right? Like, there were bad products 
     
     
  
 
 
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     when Steve Jobs was in charge. It's just different. And I don't know what Apple would be like now, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     if he was around. They wouldn't be what they are now. And I think that there's some good and some 
     
     
  
 
 
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     bad in that, you know? But it just feels so strange because he would still be doing it, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     you know? He would still be coming out on stage and doing part of the presentation. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Like he would still be there doing it. And that kind of, I don't know, that makes me feel a little 
     
     
  
 
 
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     weird. I feel like more than other companies whose public figures have passed away, I feel like in 
     
     
  
 
 
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     In Apple's case with Steve, it's unlike anything else because his persona was so deeply embedded 
     
     
  
 
 
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     within our idea of the company before, like, and I'm gonna give you an example. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     When Satoru Iwata passed away, the former president of Nintendo, that, like, honestly, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     that still sucks, right? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And I still think about it, because like, me growing up, Satoru Iwata was the example 
     
     
  
 
 
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     of like, the game developer who became the president of Nintendo. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And if you've never watched any of Satoru's presentations, there's a really good one from 
     
     
  
 
 
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     the Game Developers Conference that I highly recommend you go check out. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     But the thing is, Nintendo still feels Nintendo. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Nintendo still has that quality that is... it's a separate layer from the Persona. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And I don't know if this was, like, Nintendo as a company managed to isolate itself from 
     
     
  
 
 
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     the public persona, right? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And come up with the Nintendo spirit, the Nintendo touch, call it whatever you want 
     
     
  
 
 
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     to call it, that doesn't depend on a single individual. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     But in the case of Apple, you can tell the difference because the company itself, every 
     
     
  
 
 
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     single aspect of it was depending on this public figure, right? The idea of the, you 
     
     
  
 
 
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     know, the director, if you will, having his say on even, like, the smallest details. And 
     
     
  
 
 
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     with that person gone, the difference is so much more stark compared to a company like 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Nintendo, for example, where you can... And not to say that this is... that Apple is bad 
     
     
  
 
 
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     now, right? We're not saying that. In fact, the products are even better. Maybe, like, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     the iPhones are better. Sure. But you can still look back at those days with nostalgia 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and say, not that things were better then, but they were a certain kind of things, and 
     
     
  
 
 
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     those things will never be again. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And that's the problem for me. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Like that era will never be again, right? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     That's what gets me. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It's a moment that was in time and then it was over. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - I think like what makes Steve Jobs 
     
     
  
 
 
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     or what made Steve Jobs different, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     even when you compare him to someone like Iwata, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     there's like a bunch of things. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Like one, he was the founder, right? 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     And I think that that spirit just lived through him. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     He created the company and that was intriguing, right? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     In a way, right? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Because, and then he had his story, right? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Of leaving and then coming back and saving it, right? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And that's like a whole thing. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And then also the guy was incredibly gifted at what he did. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     He was very, you know, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     he really knew how to make interesting products 
     
     
  
 
 
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     or to help people like lead people 
     
     
  
 
 
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     can make interesting products, and he was also a really good presenter. Like, probably 
     
     
  
 
 
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     the best. And that made, those three things, and probably a bunch more, I think led to 
     
     
  
 
 
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     like, why is he seen so different to many other people? You know, and it's also worth 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:32:36
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     remembering that like, this whole thing that we have now of CEOs giving presentations, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     it comes from him. There is literally zero reason that the CEO of any tech company should 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:32:47
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     be the one to give the presentation. It doesn't make any sense that it would have to be that 
     
     
  
 
 
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     person but everybody does it because Steve Jobs did it. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     Right? And like you can see it like Tim still does it but Tim's not as good as many of the 
     
     
  
 
 
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     other people they have now which is why his role is like tiny now compared to how it was 
     
     
  
 
 
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     when Tim took over. Tim used to do way more of the keynotes than he does now. I think 
     
     
  
 
 
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     that role has shrunk over time. But like, yeah, he defines so much of what is in technology 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and defines so much of how other companies run themselves. It's, you know, and that's 
     
     
  
 
 
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     just one of the many things for why people miss him. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Can you imagine how Steve would have dealt with the remote events, with the pandemic? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I was thinking about this. Like, I was just thinking like in general, like what would Steve, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     what do I think Steve Jobs's response to just the pandemic in general be? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And I kind of just, it's just funny to me. Yeah. Not that I think he'd be like, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     like a denier, but like, I could just imagine that, you know, company culture stuff, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     it all seemed to come from him. And I can imagine that he probably would have pushed to like, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     how do we get at least some people back as ASAP? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:34:04
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     Oh yeah. Oh yeah. For sure. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:34:05
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     Like, like which, which Apple employees want to volunteer to live in this building 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:34:11
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     and we lock it down. Yeah, something like that seems plausible, yes. I also wonder what do you 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:34:16
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     think Apple, as Apple has become a more political global power, like I don't think he would have 
     
     
  
 
 
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     gone to the White House under the last administration. Well, I don't think it, I just don't think it 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:34:28
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     that they would be. Like they would be massive but would just not participate in any of it good or 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:34:35
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     bad you know yeah and that also means like Apple is a social good company 
     
     
  
 
 
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     there's also that yeah right I don't think many much of that would have 
     
     
  
 
 
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     existed either but like we can never know not right like and there might be 
     
     
  
 
 
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     people that have a decent idea they're not us we didn't know the guy no we have 
     
     
  
 
 
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     no idea what we're saying and you got to be fair and remember there were lots of 
     
     
  
 
 
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     things about him that were pretty not good. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - But I'm problematic. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
 
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     - All right, let's roll the dice. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - Oh, I'm gonna unlock my phone. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
 
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     - Oh my God, I was really hoping we were gonna get to an ad. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It's gonna happen, man. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     They're all gonna come one after another. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     All right, so, what was it? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Last week, Amazon had a product event. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And they've done these a few times 
     
     
  
 
 
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     we've covered them on the show where Amazon's whole thing seems to be like, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     "Hey, come to our event. We have 70 products to show you." Right? And most of 
     
     
  
 
 
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     them you've never heard of before and we're gonna see which ones work. We're 
     
     
  
 
 
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     not gonna talk about all of them but I'm gonna give a run through of some of the 
     
     
  
 
 
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     stuff they did and then I guess the thing that we'll stop to talk about is 
     
     
  
 
 
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     is the robot. Okay. Yep. Okay, so Echo Show 15. This is a 15 inch Echo Show. It's a 1080 screen. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     The idea of it meaning to be like a shared hub for families and they keep showing it mounted to 
     
     
  
 
 
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     the wall like a picture frame. Includes a camera for video conferencing and stuff $249. Interesting 
     
     
  
 
 
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     idea. Which is I guess is the way to say about most Amazon Echo products. Yeah, interesting idea. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Here's one that I think may be very strange, Echo Glow, which is a video conferencing device 
     
     
  
 
 
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     for children! 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It features an 8 inch display in portrait mode with a touch sensitive table projector 
     
     
  
 
 
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     to play games, read books and make art. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So it has a projector that mounts down onto the table and projects things which interact 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     I don't know. Maybe I need kids. I can't get my head around this one. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I mean, that feels like a pretty big commitment for one section of one pockets episode, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     but you do you follow up. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I do. I do want to back up to the echo show 15 for a second, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     because when I read about it, I was like, Oh, it's like a thing you hang, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     you know, in your hallway and it's like this big screen, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     15 inches isn't very big. It's like nailing a Mac book pro to the wall. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It's like, it's, it's too small to be useful. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I mean, it's not small. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     But it's not. I mean, have you seen a TV? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Like, it's not big. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Yeah, but I wouldn't want an echo 
     
     
  
 
 
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     the size of the television. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     That's too big. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I don't know. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     The 15 inches sort of like made me chuckle. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It seems like a weird size. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Here's what I'll give you. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     All of the images that they show 
     
     
  
 
 
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     make it look bigger than it is, I think. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Well, yeah, like there's the one where it's like 
     
     
  
 
 
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     in the dining room, it's like, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     is that dining room really a closet? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Like, there's just like a tiny little space. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:37:44
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     I'll give you that. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:37:45
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     Like, what they're meaning to say 
     
     
  
 
 
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     is you've mounted on the wall, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:37:48
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     but I think you might be right 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:37:49
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     that's still at 15 inches that might be too small to be what they imagine it to be. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Which is something you just walk by and see every now and then. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It's like a Michael Scott's television. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:37:59
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     It's just like that. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     Halo is their line of fitness products. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:38:08
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     This is like a Fitbit, this one. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:38:10
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     And Amazon is creating something called Halo Fitness, which is a fitness plus like service, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     like everybody's doing now. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:38:18
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     I think this is the next part, right? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:38:19
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     So they all got into TV. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:38:21
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     Now they're all getting into fitness streaming services. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Amazon had one of these before that kind of like, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:38:28
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     listened to your voice to judge your mood a little bit, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     like in this one has had the mics removed. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:38:33
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     So it's only got any microphones on it. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:38:35
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     - Thank goodness, because that's super creepy. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:38:37
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     - Like the constant listening 
     
     
  
 
 
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     to see how they think you're doing. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:38:40
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     - Yeah, it's like, you seem angry. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:38:42
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     It's like, yeah, I'm angry. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:38:43
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     I'm wearing a Halo fitness device. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:38:46
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     Hey Disney, this is a Disney themed Alexa "experience" they call it. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:38:52
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     This is something that anybody can enable on their existing Echo devices but you have 
     
     
  
 
 
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     to pay for it. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:38:59
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     They're also selling a Mickey Mouse stand for an Echo Show 5 to make it look like it's 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:39:04
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     Mickey Mouse. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:39:06
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     This is going to be in all Disney result rooms. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:39:09
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     That's why they've done this. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:39:10
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     I stayed in a hotel once that had an echo in the room and you could control like all the lights and 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:39:17
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     the shades and all that kind of stuff with it. I think this is smart like people go to hotels to 
     
     
  
 
 
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     stay in the hotel and they get introduced to what it could be like to have this thing in their home. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I think that's what they're partnering with Disney for here right like we'll create this thing for 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:39:32
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     you we'll make a little thing that looks like Mickey Mouse and then you can put them in all 
     
     
  
 
 
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     of your rooms in all of your hotels all around the world and then millions of people will be exposed 
     
     
  
 
 
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     to our functionality. Amazon's making a smart thermostat. Of course. They've opened invites for 
     
     
  
 
 
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     the ring camera drone. Do you remember this? Yeah, so this is it's got a little base station. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Yeah. That you like sit on your counter or like on your side table or something and when you're 
     
     
  
 
 
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     not home this little like quadcopter with a ring camera on it flies around your home 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:40:06
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     it keeps an eye on things i don't think it does it on its own i think something has to happen for 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:40:12
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     it to do that so like if you have an alarm like sensor tripped in the house like say you've got 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:40:20
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     like the upstairs window then the then it pops out and flies upstairs this seems weird right but if 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:40:27
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     you think about it it means you don't need to put cameras in every room which is better 
     
     
  
 
 
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     i mean until the bad guy like just knocks the drone out of the sky and then steals your tv 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:40:38
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     yeah but you've got the image of him it's the same as someone can just pull a camera off the wall 
     
     
  
 
 
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     you still have a flying drone inside the house though yeah but what i'm saying is i don't i 
     
     
  
 
 
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     think that it's easy to assume like to think of this as creepy but it could actually be quite 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:40:54
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     useful because like why is this different to put in cameras in like 
     
     
  
 
 
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     multiple rooms of the house? Because it flies. But what's wrong with that? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:41:03
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     What's wrong with the flying? It's creepy. It's a drone inside. Why is that creepy? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Like inherently I'm just intrigued. Because you have a flying 
     
     
  
 
 
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     object that I don't know if I imagine if things go wrong and there's a bug and 
     
     
  
 
 
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     this thing starts flying around the house. Yeah I mean you know yeah if 
     
     
  
 
 
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     If things go wrong with the camera, nothing happens. It's a stationary device. Here you 
     
     
  
 
 
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     have a list, a component of risk of this thing thinking on its own and saying "I'm just gonna 
     
     
  
 
 
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     go for a stroll." Yeah, I feel like I could beat this thing in a fight though. It's only 
     
     
  
 
 
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     small. It's just like a ring doorbell with a little propeller on the top. I don't know. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I am, as we'll see in this conversation, I am very much against moving robotics. Okay, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:41:48
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     there's a little teaser. What I say is when I first heard about this I thought it was 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:41:52
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     stupid but over the course of this conversation I'm kind of like, "It's not that bad." 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:41:59
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     One thing that's cool is you can set up flight paths and so you'll be like, "Oh, fly by the 
     
     
  
 
 
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     stove and see if it's on," which is one of the examples. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     That's cool. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:42:08
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     Which is pretty cool. I definitely filled out the form to request an invitation so maybe 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:42:13
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     I'll get to do that. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:42:14
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     This thing is gonna give dogs heart attacks and I feel very sorry about this. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:42:18
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     That's probably true. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:42:20
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     It can also only fly, I'm just reading this now, always home can, can fly up to five minutes 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:42:25
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     before needing to recharge. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:42:26
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     Yeah, but also like you're only doing this in emergency situations, right? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:42:32
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     It's not just gonna get up and patrol on its own randomly in the afternoon for you. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:42:36
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     You think so. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:42:37
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     And it's only pre-set flight paths, so if you say I never want you to fly into my bedroom 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:42:43
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     or I only want you to fly to my bedroom, it will do that. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:42:47
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     - Look, I understand what you mean Federico, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:42:50
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     but there are so many things that can go wrong, you know? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:42:53
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     And like them going wrong could, like for example, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:42:57
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     all of your echoes could just turn on the microphones 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:43:01
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     - Yeah, sure. - Do you want that to happen? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:43:02
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     - No, but it's a microphone, it's not a flying drone. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:43:07
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     - But it's not like, this isn't a drone 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:43:09
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     with like a razor blade on the side of it, like. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:43:12
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     Because still, like, what if it starts flying at night and it falls on your head? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:43:16
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     I mean, why should I go looking for trouble? 
     
     
  
 
 
 
 
	 00:43:25
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     This is the smartest. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:43:28
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     The next part. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:43:29
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     Are we seriously okay with an Amazon drone inside of our apartment? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:43:32
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     I'm sorry, but like, I'm gonna be that guy. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:43:34
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     Why are you okay with multiple Amazon microphones in your house? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:43:37
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     Like, I don't know why the drone thing is the issue. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:43:41
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     one but... You only have one echo now? It's a f... I have one echo, yes, in the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:43:46
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     kitchen. Okay. It's... I don't know. This crosses the creepy threshold for me, okay? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:43:51
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     Everyone has one, right? And I'm not saying that you're bad for having it. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:43:55
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     Moving gadgets? Nope. I'm sorry. Do you? What do you think about Roombas? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:44:00
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     I don't have one. So, like, what do you think about them? I just want to... What do you 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:44:03
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     think about Roombas? Unnecessary. Just vacuum clean yourself. That's my opinion. So, yeah. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:44:10
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     me I don't know. I'm not looking to fight you. Alright let me talk about what I think 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:44:16
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     is the smartest thing that they announced. The Ring Alarm Pro. It's a ring alarm base 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:44:20
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     station with an eero built into it. Yes! More of this, right? Like if I'm gonna put one 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:44:26
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     box somewhere in the house, make it do a bunch of things, right? So why not put an eero inside 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:44:33
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     of an alarm base station? Put an eero inside of the thermostat. But you know what I mean? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:44:37
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     let's bring these products together so I don't have this stack of white boxes in the corner. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:44:43
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     This is very cool. I like that a lot. Did you also see you can get external batteries to keep the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:44:49
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     alarm online if the power goes out? Mine already, I have one. I have the ring alarm thing and it has 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:44:57
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     that already so I don't know if this is a different thing. This is I think in addition to that so it 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:45:01
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     can run for like hours and hours. Okay. It's pretty cool. I mean the ring alarm thing also has like a 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:45:06
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     3G connection too because the Wi-Fi goes out. Yep, I've got one now. I've kind of gone all in on the Ring thing 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:45:12
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     Yeah, it's cool. It's cool. I think this is this is smart 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:45:16
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     I mean we talked about this with like the HomePod and like 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:45:19
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     Airport stuff is like why couldn't Apple just make a thing that I put in my kitchen and takes care of a lot of different 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:45:24
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     aspects of a smart home and they're not there but Ring is doing it and 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:45:29
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     Amazon owns all these brands and so why not continue to put those things together? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:45:35
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     Astro, this is Amazon's, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:45:39
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     ► 
     I don't think it should be called a robot, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:45:41
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     ► 
     but we'll just call it that for the sake of it. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:45:43
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     ► 
     Okay, so I'm gonna give you the basics. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:45:45
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     ► 
     This is Astro, okay? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:45:46
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     ► 
     It's a home security monitoring system and it moves around. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:45:51
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     ► 
     It has a screen on the front and then a little base 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:45:54
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     ► 
     and the base has some wheels on it. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:45:55
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     ► 
     It doesn't have arms or legs, it just rolls around. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:45:58
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     ► 
     It can map your home, it can recognize things 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:46:02
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     ► 
     and you can send it from room to room. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:46:05
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     ► 
     because it has wheels, it can only be available on one floor of a home. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:46:09
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     And if there's any steps in that home or whatever, then it's going to not work. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:46:14
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     ► 
     It can only stay where there's no stairs, right? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:46:16
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     Because otherwise it will be destroyed. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:46:18
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     Astro can recognize people so you can deliver items to specific individuals 
     
     
  
 
 
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     because you can put things in it or on it. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So you could, for example, put like a Coke and say like, take that to Federico. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And it goes to Federico. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and Federico would kick it. That's what would happen. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So Federico comes over and you say, "Hey, take this Coke to Federico." 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And it goes near Federico and he pushes it down the stairs 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and says, "I don't know what happened." 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - What? - It has a periscope camera on it. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So you could say like, "Hey, check if the oven's on." 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And it would have, because it's low down, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and it has a little periscope camera that comes up 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and can take a look at things that are high up. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It can play music, it can play video, like any Echo Show kind of thing. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It has a USB-C port built into it 
     
     
  
 
 
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     so you can charge things from its internal battery. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It has a recharging dock of its own. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It can move around for two hours per charge and then will go back and recharge on its 
     
     
  
 
 
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     own like a Roomba. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     The screen is a 10-inch touchscreen that shows a little face most of the time when it's not 
     
     
  
 
 
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     showing you something else. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It uses obviously the Alexa assistant and has the voice of that one. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I read like a couple of articles of people that used it in Carolina Milanesi I think 
     
     
  
 
 
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     was who made an interesting point of like it should have its own voice which is I thought 
     
     
  
 
 
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     was an interesting point rather than the standard one because then it has its own personality. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     This thing's gonna cost a thousand dollars if you are accepted for an invite to buy it. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So you have to apply for an invite to buy it for a thousand dollars. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Then $1,500 is what the expected price will be later on. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Nope, I'm sorry. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And is this a similar thing of like you just don't like the idea of a moving whole thing? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     We've gone too far. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Like you don't need a robot to hand deliver you a coke. Like you don't need it. Just move. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Like you, we have settled into this lazy lifestyle and we are lazy enough as a species, all right? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Like we have all the comforts in our Western society that we could possibly need. We don't 
     
     
  
 
 
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     need a robot on wheels that follows you around. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Is there any kind of robot that you could imagine you would want? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Robots are useful in warehouses, in science, like for example there's robots that do surgeries 
     
     
  
 
 
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     for example. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:48:42
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     Like, robots have a place. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I'm not saying that. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I'm saying that this is unnecessary. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     You don't need it. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:48:51
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     This is just... 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Construction? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:48:53
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     I bet robots would be good in construction. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
 
	 00:48:56
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     and that's like I'm not against robots I'm just saying that we don't need this 
     
     
  
 
 
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     stuff to fill our homes with flying drones and robots on wheels like why 
     
     
  
 
 
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     honestly like so here's the thing I pretty much agree with you when it comes 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:49:12
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     to this thing all of the stuff it can do I don't know why I need something to do 
     
     
  
 
 
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     any of it right like I have a Roomba that's great because I don't like 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:49:23
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     vacuuming right goes around vacuums like fantastic plus you could put a coke on 
     
     
  
 
 
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     the Roomba to take to Federico so you don't need a robot to do very true I 
     
     
  
 
 
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     could I could do them are people delivering cokes to like other people on 
     
     
  
 
 
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     the same floor so when I read that it could do this I was like why like I 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:49:43
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     don't think anybody needed it's just a thing it could do right this is a made 
     
     
  
 
 
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     example. It felt very much like what can we make this thing do? Well, we can recognize people so I 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:49:56
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     guess we can take things to it? Usually people just go to the fridge and they open the fridge 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:50:02
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     and they grab a Coke, like usually. Now, you know, one of the things that I thought was interesting 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:50:08
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     in this is like these types of uses could be helpful for people who otherwise struggle with 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:50:15
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     movement right and like sure all of us here by the way when we're saying who 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:50:19
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     needs this we obviously don't mean that right like sure right like we're gonna 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:50:24
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     call an amnesty on this like obviously if there are people that do require this 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:50:29
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     kind of assistance helpful for them similar you don't have to say it but 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:50:33
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     yeah yeah yeah right like those are use cases where something like this could be 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:50:38
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     great but let's be real that's not who Amazon's making it for no right because 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:50:42
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     they're making you pay $1,000 for it, right? So like, yes, this could be useful, maybe 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:50:48
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     sometime in the future, but like right now, like this product is being made for Amazon 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:50:53
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     to profit on it. And so like they are trying to make a product for the three of us to buy, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:51:00
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     ultimately. Now, one thing I will say, actually, Steven, what do you think about this? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I wouldn't want it in my home, but I think if you did, it would be kind of a fun, weird 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:51:11
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     but I kind of I mean I don't I'm more on Federico side I think than I thought I 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:51:17
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     would be it's like I don't see really what purpose it really adds like if this 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:51:23
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     unlocked something that seemed really meaningful to a to a large percentage of 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:51:28
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     the population maybe I'd be more excited about it but it's just basically a toy 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:51:33
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     with a camera on it I will make a counterpoint for our opinions right now 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:51:37
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     which is the Amazon Echo, right? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:51:41
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     When we saw that for the first time, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:51:43
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     we all laughed at it. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:51:45
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     Like, what do I need this thing for? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:51:47
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     It looks stupid. What? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:51:49
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     Like, you remember the weird ad that they did with the family? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:51:52
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     Remember that? 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:51:55
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     -And so, like, you know, maybe in five years' time, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:51:59
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     it could be really cool, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:52:00
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     but with the set of features that it has right now, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:52:04
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     I don't feel like I need this. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:52:06
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     The one thing that I could consider as useful is the periscope camera thing, where it could 
     
     
  
 
 
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     check if the album was on. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:52:14
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     But ultimately that's literally happened to me zero times in my life. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:52:20
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     I think that those kinds of things sometimes are just used as like, "Oh, it can also check 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:52:25
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     if this and this." 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:52:26
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     And I think I read this in a Verge article where they're like, "Well, it can't turn it 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:52:32
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     So, you know, like it can't press buttons so it can tell you the oven's on but then you have to go turn the oven off. So 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:52:40
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     Yeah, it's an ink. It feels like very incomplete like every single thing 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:52:46
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     It can do there is a big problem with it 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:52:50
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     I do think though 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:52:51
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     There is a line that that point of view doesn't take into account that a camera is 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:52:57
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     fundamentally different than a microphone and having something to Federica's point that 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:53:01
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     Has a camera that could be where you don't expect it to be 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:53:04
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     Yes is a very different thing than even have a camera looking at your front window 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:53:08
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     Yeah, I think that this thing definitely makes the point Federico was was concerned about 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:53:13
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     Much more strongly in that Astro will just move around on its own. Mm-hmm 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:53:19
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     Which and that's like an intended thing that this will do where the ring drone is supposed to only be in alarm situations 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:53:30
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     It's like whole thing is like it just goes around and is there and I think a lot of them will follow you which I also 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:53:35
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     Don't I'm not comfortable with 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:53:37
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     Yeah, I mean good luck to them. They've done a bunch of things right so they also have done glasses. So, you know 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:53:45
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     We'll see what happens and for me. This is a you know a step too far 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:53:51
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     I'm sorry, like it's not because it's Amazon could be Facebook could be Apple 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:53:56
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     for could be could be Google like 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:53:59
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     there's a step too far for me at this point with these things. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:54:03
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     And when it comes to electronics that move and fly or follow me around and have cameras, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:54:11
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     no. I'm sorry, it's why I think headsets are creepy and weird and... no, no. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:54:22
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     Like AR glasses type things you mean, right? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:54:24
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     mean right? No like no not for me I try to have less technology in my life not 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:54:32
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     more and like obviously the tech industry wants to go in the opposite 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:54:37
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     direction because they want to make more money and they always need to make more 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:54:40
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     things all the things but yeah I'm I'm good here thank you. Let's roll. Okay here 
     
     
  
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
	 00:54:55
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     - Follow up. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:54:57
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     - We're never gonna do the ads, man. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:55:00
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     - Fonts on iPad OS. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:55:02
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     So Federico, you mentioned that fonts didn't move over 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:55:06
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     the way that you migrated your devices. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:55:09
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     And I realized like, I don't know much about fonts 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:55:11
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     on iOS and iPad OS 'cause I don't use any custom ones. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:55:14
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     Could you give us a quick explainer about how this works 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:55:17
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     and maybe why people should be interested? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:55:19
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     - Yeah, Apple introduced a native API, I believe, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:55:23
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     for font provider utilities a couple of years ago. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:55:27
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     I think it was iOS 13 maybe. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:55:29
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     Nobody is really using it. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:55:31
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     I think the idea was that with these API font companies 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:55:36
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     would be able to release like official apps on the App Store 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:55:40
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     so that you can natively buy and install fonts 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:55:44
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     from the App Store. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:55:45
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     I think I've seen like maybe like two apps 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:55:48
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     two years ago for this. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:55:49
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     Does Adobe have one? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:55:52
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     Maybe they added that feature to their creative cloud apps, maybe. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:55:59
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     And I think we wrote about it. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:56:00
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     I think Jon wrote about it on Mac Stories. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:56:05
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     But when you think of custom fonts, that doesn't solve the problem that most people like us 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:56:14
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     and the people who listen to Connected have, which is I have a font file and I want to 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:56:18
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     install my own custom font on my iPhone and iPad. That's not what these apps do. If you 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:56:25
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     want to do that, because those apps, like, they come with pre-installed fonts, and they 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:56:31
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     offer those fonts to the system. So that, for example, if you install an Adobe font, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:56:36
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     you can use the same Adobe font in pages, right? Because the two apps are using the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:56:40
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     same font picker API. Whereas what people want to do is, I just want to use a custom 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:56:45
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     font. Like, I want to manually install SF Mono, for example, which is not available via the system-wide 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:56:54
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     font picker. How do you do that? And if you want to do that, you still have to use the old system, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:57:00
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     which is based on installing a custom profile on your device. And these days, the best way to do so, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:57:07
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     in my opinion, is FontCase, which those who have been around long enough on Twitter may 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:57:15
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     remember FontCase as a different thing from back in the day. It was a desktop 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:57:20
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     third-party font utility that's not around anymore. Now, FontCase today is an 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:57:27
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     iPhone and iPad utility that lets you install fonts via the old profile-based 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:57:34
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     installation method by just picking font files from a file's picker. So what I do 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:57:41
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     is I keep my fonts in iCloud Drive, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:57:44
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     and I use Fontcase to install a custom profile 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:57:47
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     to make those fonts available in all of the apps 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:57:50
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     that I wanna use on my iPhone and iPad. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:57:52
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     But because profiles, they do not transfer over 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:57:57
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     when you set up a new iOS or iPadOS device, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:58:01
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     that's what I was complaining about last week. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:58:04
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     Profiles, they stay on the old device, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:58:07
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     they do not move over, and that meant 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:58:10
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     that my custom fonts were not following me around 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:58:13
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     on the new device because the profiles, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:58:17
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     the profile is basically a file that contains the font 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:58:20
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     and it gets installed in settings. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:58:22
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     It doesn't get transferred over, which means no custom font. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:58:25
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     So if you wanna have custom fonts on a new device, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:58:28
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     you gotta start over and do the installation method 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:58:31
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     from scratch. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:58:31
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     So yeah, you can have native font providers, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:58:38
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     but they don't let you load custom font files that you may own, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:58:43
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     because maybe you're the kind of person like me 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:58:46
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     who actually purchased a license for a specific font. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:58:51
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     That was the dream, right? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:58:52
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     When they announced that they were doing the font thing. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:58:55
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     Like FontBook on the Mac, where you just double-click a font 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:59:00
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     and it installs quite easily. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:59:02
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     Or that a third-party app would let you do what you wanted, right? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:59:05
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     Like, it could hook into the API, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:59:07
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     you load a font in there and it just appears. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:59:09
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     You don't need to do this whole profile thing, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:59:13
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     which is really annoying. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:59:16
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     - And the thing that I'm trying to confirm now, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     that you have installed in iOS. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It used to be in Settings General, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     now I have no idea what it is anymore. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - Because there's like a device something something place. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Like it's like something on profiles or something like that? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - So the thing that I wanna confirm is-- 
     
     
  
 
 
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     That's where profiles live. - General, VPN. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So yeah, what's unfortunate 
     
     
  
 
 
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     about the old font installation method, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:59:53
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     the one based on the profile, is that these fonts, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     they do not show up in settings, general fonts. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     That's the downside. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:00:03
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     That fonts page that was added a couple of years ago, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     that's only for the official, if you will, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     font apps from the App Store. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     But if you wanna do what we were talking about, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     which is I wanna use my custom fonts, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:00:20
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     you gotta use the profile method 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and those fonts, they do not show up in settings, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     which is a shame. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - I think the other thing people were hoping for too, right, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     was just like a font foundry would create an app 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:00:31
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     and you could just buy a license, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:00:32
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     but like it's just not their business model, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     they don't care, right? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And I don't doubt that, like I don't blame them. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:00:37
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     Why would they care? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - No, they don't wanna give Apple 30% 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:00:40
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     when people can just go on a web browser 
     
     
  
 
 
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     buy those phones. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:00:43
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     - And I'm sure this is what Apple hoped 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:00:44
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     people were gonna do too, right? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:00:46
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     - Yeah, so it's not happening, so yeah. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - All right, here we go again. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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     Tables and craft. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So this is something we've been asking for for a long time, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     the note-taking app craft to get tables. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It's a start. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I hope it's a start. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I hope that this isn't it. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     You say start with a very interesting tone, Myke. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Why is that? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Because I don't know if they think that it's it, right? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Like, they have referenced in, like, you know, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     we want to see how you use them and hear 
     
     
  
 
 
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     about how you use them. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So here's Myke Hurley telling you if anybody's listening. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So there are no sorting options in the tables. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So you can create a table inside of a note. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It's very easy to add one. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     They've got all the features that you'd 
     
     
  
 
 
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     want for creating one, right? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     You can add and remove rows and columns really easily. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     But there's no sorting options. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So you can create a column, but you can't 
     
     
  
 
 
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     sort that column in any way. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:01:51
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     There isn't an easy way to rearrange the rows. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:01:55
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     So like you can't like click and drag or tap and drag a row. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It's, you know, Steven, I know you've gotten the notes 
     
     
  
 
 
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     that you found a way to do it. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:02:07
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     - Yeah, you've got to go into the little more menu 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and then it's like move column left, move column right, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     move row up, move row down. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And you should just be able to grab it 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and it lift off and move it. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     You know, move them around. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     The way that iWork does it, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:02:21
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     I think iWork is the app to copy here. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:02:24
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     Yeah, I mean, even Google Sheets does it pretty okay, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:02:27
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     to be honest. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:02:28
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     And Apple Notes does it too. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:02:31
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     But I don't know if this is possible to do on iOS at all. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:02:37
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     Oh, okay, hold on. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     If you double tap something, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I just saw edit rows and columns. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:02:42
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     There we go. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:02:43
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     All right, so you can long press on a cell 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:02:47
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     and it will bring up the menu to do that. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Anyway, not easy. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:02:51
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     And moving one at a time is not great. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:02:55
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     Large tables become scrollable. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It doesn't continue through the page. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:03:02
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     So a craft document is an infinite page, right? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:03:05
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     You can just keep adding stuff to it. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:03:08
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     But when a table gets beyond a certain set of rows, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     the box becomes fixed in height. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:03:16
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     And then you have to scroll through the table. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:03:18
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     I don't want that. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:03:20
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     Do you understand what I'm saying? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:03:22
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     So like, say it's 20 rows. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Once you get to like 21, 22, 23, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     you have to scroll the table. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:03:30
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     It doesn't just continue to grow down the page. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I don't know why they've fixed the height of a chart 
     
     
  
 
 
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     or whatever you call it. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:03:39
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     Does that, am I making sense? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:03:40
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     - Yeah, okay. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:03:41
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     - Right, so I have some large tables 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:03:43
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     and I wanna be able to see all of the information in them 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:03:46
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     just by scrolling through it. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:03:47
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     Like it's just scrolling down the page. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:03:49
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     It's arbitrary maybe, but I don't know why they've fixed it. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:03:54
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     I've never used an app that does this. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:03:57
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     Notion doesn't do it this way, Notes doesn't do it this way. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I don't know why there's the need to treat it 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:04:03
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     like it's this block which has a restrained height and width 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:04:06
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     and then it has to be scroll. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     They're not scaling it in a way that I would want. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:04:10
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     Overall, the whole thing feels pretty delicate. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:04:14
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     It feels very 1.0-y. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:04:16
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     So I hope that they do more, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:04:19
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     like basically what I want is sorting options. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:04:21
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     I don't want them to cap it 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:04:23
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     and I want better ways to move the data around 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:04:26
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     inside of the chart or the table, however you call it. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:04:29
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     - Yeah, I don't use tables. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:04:34
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     I use Kraft for collaborative documents. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:04:39
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     I actually like the widget a lot 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:04:41
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     because you can install multiple widgets 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:04:43
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     and have different workspaces. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:04:46
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     - Yeah, it's nice. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:04:47
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     - Into widgets, so that's very cool. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:04:49
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     But I don't, like what sort of data 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:04:51
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     do you keep in tables, Myke? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:04:53
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     - Yeah, maybe it's easy if I explain it. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:04:55
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     So also, well, one thing I forgot to mention, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:04:56
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     it doesn't do any calculations of any kind. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:04:58
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     It doesn't need to do that, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:04:59
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     but I would have liked it if it could have. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:05:00
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     So I'll give you the two things that I'm doing. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:05:02
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     So one thing that I do is I have, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:05:06
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     so sales data of the theme system journal, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:05:09
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     I record the sales numbers every week, right? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:05:12
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     So I go in every week and I add a new row, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:05:14
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     and like, okay, this is a day, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:05:15
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     we sold this many?" and then I'll say like "and how many is that over the previous week?" 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:05:19
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     and I just record that in there every week. I mean and now I have like a few, like a couple 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:05:25
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     of months of data so now I have to scroll it. Like I can't just see the whole thing, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:05:29
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     I now have to scroll it. The other thing that I like, the main thing that I want to do is 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:05:34
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     to keep a list of all of the various keyboard parts that I've either bought or are on the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:05:41
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     way to me. And with those, especially with stuff that I'm outstanding, I want to see 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:05:47
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     the whole list in one go. I don't want to have to scroll through this list within the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:05:52
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     list. I just want to see it all there. And one of the things I like about Notion for 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:05:58
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     this is I can sort by expected arrival date of the product. So I see the bottom of it, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:06:07
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     which is what I could do at the top if I wanted to, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:06:09
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     the things that the dates of delivery 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:06:11
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     expect you to be sooner. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:06:13
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     And so, 'cause you know, some, and the reason I do this 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:06:14
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     is because some of the stuff that I buy, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:06:16
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     I'm probably not gonna see for like another 18 months, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:06:19
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     'cause they're products that need to be made. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:06:20
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     It's like a pre-order kind of group, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:06:22
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     like a kind of pseudo Kickstarter-y type thing, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:06:24
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     the way a lot of this stuff is sold. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:06:26
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     And so I like to be able to have all of that 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:06:28
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     in just like a little table that I can go through. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:06:31
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     And like, yeah, I could put it in a spreadsheet, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:06:33
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     but I didn't wanna put it in a spreadsheet, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:06:35
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     and Notion does it fine for what I need. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:06:37
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     And I'm probably gonna stick with Notion, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:06:40
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     but keeping my eye on craft. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:06:42
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     Like I'm gonna use, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:06:43
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     then I'm gonna continue using this table 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:06:44
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     for like the tracking of the sales numbers 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:06:46
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     of the Cortex products, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:06:48
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     'cause I was putting it in a bulleted list before. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:06:50
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     So now I'll just put it in a table. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:06:53
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     But I think that they could do a lot better 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:06:56
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     to make the data more maneuverable and also more clear. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:07:00
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     - Got it, okay. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:07:01
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     - It feels very much like what it is, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:07:04
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     which is shoehorned into whatever they were doing before. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
 
	 01:07:07
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     - That's what it feels like, 'cause that's what's happened. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:07:09
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     And I'm not criticizing it for it, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:07:11
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     but I'm very confident that there's a bunch of things 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:07:13
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     that they could do. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:07:15
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     Like even like sorting is like one 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:07:16
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     that really needs to exist, I think. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:07:20
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     It kind of feels to me more that they looked at 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:07:22
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     the way that you do it in Apple Notes 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:07:24
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     than the way you do it in Notion. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:07:26
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     And they were closer to replicating Apple Notes than Notion. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:07:30
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     And I think that was the wrong place for them to look. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:07:33
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     I agree with all that I'm all in on craft for my notes, and I'm excited to have tables 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:07:37
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     But they need to keep pushing it 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 01:07:41
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     Apple watch pre-orders oh 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 01:07:44
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     Stephen this isn't good, but 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:07:46
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     ► 
     Talk to James 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 01:07:53
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     Yep, going then Apple watch pre-orders have been announced for this Friday, which is October 8th 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:08:02
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     you can get up and 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:08:04
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     ► 
     Order some Apple watches 5 a.m. Pacific just like the iPhones were a few weeks ago 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:08:10
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     They deliver a week later on Friday the 15th as of today 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:08:15
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     I just looked they're not in the Apple Store app or on the Apple Store itself. So you can't make a favorite 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:08:21
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     You can't have them pre-save for faster checkout 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:08:26
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     Maybe they're gonna do that, but maybe not maybe if they're really are constrained they want to slow people down and ordering them 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:08:31
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     I don't know my biggest issue right now is like it's not even very clear to see like what are all of the colors that 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:08:38
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     Are available like I can see all the aluminium, but like I can't see that. We'll stay in the still ones that I have 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:08:44
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     Do they have titanium ones like? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:08:46
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     You know, I mean you can you can see that on the product page. Yeah, there's not a store page for all that 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It's very strange, but they don't even really show on the product page 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Like if you look on the product page, it doesn't clearly show you like these are all the things we have available 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Because they have all the aluminium colours, but when you go down, you scroll down, you see like half of an image of some of the colours. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So, it's very compl- it's like, not very clear, but I don't know. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     I don't know. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     Do you want one? 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     I think we're gonna get a- I think Sylvia wants one for sure. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I haven't really looked into this. I think I'm gonna get the stainless steel one again. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Do you get this the regular stainless steel? Yeah. I don't know if they do the colors like black. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:09:38
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     Yeah but I feel like this time I want to go to the Apple store and check it out in person. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Like I don't care about getting it day one. I think now that we can go again, we went to the 
     
     
  
 
 
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     it out for myself in real life and see if there's like any other color that I 
     
     
  
 
 
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     like more. Mm-hmm. Steven? I'm gonna get Mary one for sure. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     She's on a Series 5 on the small one so the battery life is not fantastic two 
     
     
  
 
 
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     years in and she's I'm gonna do the starlight for her she has that on her 
     
     
  
 
 
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     phone and really likes it and I showed her the other ones and she's like yeah 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:10:18
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     all these colors are bad. I was like yep, yes they are. So she'll get an aluminum starlight the 
     
     
  
 
 
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     small one I'm still on the fence if I order I'll do the titanium again but I 
     
     
  
 
 
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     haven't made up my mind yet I think I'm gonna go gold stainless steel but I want 
     
     
  
 
 
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     to see at least on the website somewhere but yeah I don't know when I'm gonna 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:10:40
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     pick it up either but I'm interested in it I do think actually Federico this 
     
     
  
 
 
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     finally means that we can settle the fact that I have won the bet which one 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:10:48
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     That you bet that I would buy a series six. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:10:52
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     And what was the bet? I'm supposed to give you money? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I don't think there was anything. The bet was just you said I would do it and I said 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I wouldn't do it. Interesting. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And the stakes I think are just I know me better than you know me. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:11:04
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     Well, that was like, that's why I had this bet to, you know, to make you feel good about 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:11:11
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     the fact that you know yourself. Oh, come on. You can't always win everything, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:11:16
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     know. I just did. So. Well, okay. You should thank me if anything. Thank you so much for 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:11:24
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     helping me truly understand myself and my own value. You're welcome. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:11:28
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     Two. Follow up, follow up, tvOS. Okay, so tvOS, Logical Sky and the members Discord 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:11:36
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     said "I'm so upset that Myke's tvOS app review" and it's not an app, but it's not, you know, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:11:42
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     correct yourself Logical Sky. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 01:11:45
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     - TV OS review did not even mention the key feature 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:11:48
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     of TV OS that they fixed the Apple TV and AirPlay interface. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     easily scroll and simply click the screen. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:11:57
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     So I had to look into all of this 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:11:59
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     because this didn't make complete sense to me. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:12:01
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	 01:12:04
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     They have cleaned up the default video viewer. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:12:07
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	 01:12:11
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     So there are now, when you go, like if you say you tap 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:12:14
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     the circle on the remote or the touch thing, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:12:17
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     there are now buttons that exist. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:12:20
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     So there's, you've got like the name of the show itself, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:12:23
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     right, and like the scroll bar and stuff, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:12:26
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     and then you have a subtitles button, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:12:29
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     an audio options button, and a picture in picture button. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:12:31
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     You can scroll over to those and click them. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:12:33
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     You can go down to the play head, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:12:35
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     or then you can also go down, it can swipe down 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:12:37
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     and get to like the information about the thing 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:12:39
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     that you're watching, you know, where it's like, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:12:41
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     hey, here's the description of the episode, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:12:44
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     that kind of thing. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:12:45
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     I'm not sure why the quote audio options button 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:12:49
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     looks like a bar chart. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:12:51
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     It's very interesting to me. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:12:53
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     Like I don't know why that was what they chose. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:12:54
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     - It's like a visualizer of three bars. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:12:58
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     - But there's some stuff that's better. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:13:00
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     So I have some better options for you. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:13:02
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     So you can bring these controls on screen 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:13:05
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     ► 
     by tapping the touch surface as we always have, right? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:13:08
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     To bring up the controls. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:13:09
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     ► 
     or you can now just click the up button on the new remote. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:13:14
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     So you don't have to tap anymore, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:13:15
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     you just press up and these things will appear. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:13:18
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     And if you wanna see the information about the show itself, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:13:21
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     you just click on the down button. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:13:23
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     ► 
     You don't have to do the tapping and swiping anymore. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:13:26
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     You could just, from there being nothing on screen, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:13:29
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     click the down button 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:13:29
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     ► 
     and you'll see the episode information, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:13:31
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     get to chapters if it's got chapters in it, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:13:33
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     that kind of stuff. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:13:34
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     And because I obviously dropped the ball here, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:13:36
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     I've written another haiku. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:13:38
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     you can use buttons to control what is playing, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:13:41
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     not just touchpad. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:13:43
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     ► 
     We can now close the book on the TV-RS review. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:13:47
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     ► 
     I will accept no more on the follow-up 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:13:50
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     ► 
     and it is now complete. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:13:52
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     ► 
     - It's beautiful. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:13:54
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     ► 
     - All right, you ready to listen to me roll the dice 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:13:56
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     for a really long time? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:13:57
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     - Yep, we need a 10, 11 or 12. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 01:14:01
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     - Two, three. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
	 01:14:12
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     - Hey, okay. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:14:14
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     ► 
     - This is much more dramatic for me 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:14:16
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     as the person who can see the dice. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:14:18
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     - That's probably true. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Let me give you my good luck. So after you roll this, it's going to be an 11. Okay? Go. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:15:48
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     All right. Well, I already rolled a 12. So the next roll. The next one. Go. Wait, you 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:15:55
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     You want me to roll it now? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:15:56
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     ► 
     Oh, 'cause we already did 12, didn't we? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:15:58
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     - Yeah, we did 12. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
 
 
	 01:16:02
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     - I'm sorry. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:16:03
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     I'm out of luck. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
 
	 01:16:06
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     - I'm sorry. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
 
	 01:16:10
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     ► 
     - This is all James Thompson's fault. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:16:12
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     ► 
     - This app is whack. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 01:16:15
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     ► 
     - It's James. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 01:16:17
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     Eight, six, four, five, one, two, three, two, three, two, three, two, three, two, three, 
     
     
  
 
 
 
 
 
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	 01:19:00
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     I think that does it. I think we're done. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Doesn't the episode just have to immediately end now because we didn't actually put a dice roll to the final segment? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Oh, that's true. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I guess not because we didn't put a dice roll to your intro of this thing either. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     That was before this was introduced, you know. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Maybe we can roll the dice until the numbers three six six individually come 
     
     
  
 
 
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     out which would be the episode number and that means we're done with episode 
     
     
  
 
 
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     366 but that's a terrible idea because I also gotta make dinner. I can just roll the 
     
     
  
 
 
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     six sided dice. Five. No, no, no, stop, stop. Three. Six. Okay. Four. No. Seven. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Oh, I pressed the wrong button there. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     One, one, two, six. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Wrap it up, we're done. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and every week. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     sure how I'm gonna do that this week. Does it even matter this week? I guess I'll figure it out. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Does it even matter? 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     Oh man, it's actually probably worse because you have to just listen to the dice rolls and then nothing happens. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     You've accidentally destroyed your business for the Japes, so Matt, respect to you, Steven. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Yeah, I hope you're happy with yourself, Steven. We're not gonna get paid for the ads and no one's gonna sign up for the ad-free version. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     You did it for the Japes and we salute you, Steven. Well done. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Thank you. Thank you all. You can find us all online. Federico is on Twitter at Viti, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I'm working on shortcuts. I'm working on focus modes, and we are in the early... 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Not so early, actually. I would say maybe mid-tier planning stages for the Max Stories Selects awards. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Those are coming up. Trophies, baby! Trophies, and those are coming up. And so we're now 
     
     
  
 
 
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     going through all the apps and updates that have come out in 2021 so far, and 
     
     
  
 
 
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     decisions will be made in the near future. So we'll see. It should be fun. Okay, that's awesome. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     You can find Myke on Twitter as @imyke. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Myke's on a bunch of other shows here on Relay FM. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     He does the Friday Keyboard Club over on Twitch. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Anything else, Myke? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Not for the next couple of weeks. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     You can go to clotexmerch.com and buy yourself a journal or a notebook. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     We had to listen to you talk about calendars for like two months. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     That's true. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Yeah, I mean you literally did a Kickstarter for calendars. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Yeah, it's true. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     At least he's got an actual company. You're just making calendars in your office. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Your calendar's not a company, yeah. The Cal-Axe Co. You should call your calendar company Cal-Axe. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I bought a Cal-Axe today. Cal- like calendar. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
 
 
 
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     Well, you can find me online. I'm on Twitter as ismh. I write over at 512pixels.net. 
     
     
  
 
 
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