Connected

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00:00:03 ◼   ► Hello, and welcome to Connected, episode 366.

00:00:13 ◼   ► It's made possible by our sponsors, CleanMyMacX,

00:00:16 ◼   ► Squarespace, and Smile.

00:00:18 ◼   ► My name is Stephen Hackett, and I am joined

00:00:20 ◼   ► by Mr. Federico Vittucci.

00:00:22 ◼   ► Hello.

00:00:23 ◼   ► Hi.

00:00:23 ◼   ► How are you?

00:00:24 ◼   ► I am good.

00:00:25 ◼   ► How are you, my friend?

00:00:27 ◼   ► I am very good, yes.

00:00:29 ◼   ► We're also joined by Myke Early, our other friend.

00:00:33 ◼   ► Salud, Steven.

00:00:34 ◼   ► Ooh.

00:00:35 ◼   ► Hello, other friend.

00:00:37 ◼   ► How are you?

00:00:38 ◼   ► Fuatibine.

00:00:39 ◼   ► What?

00:00:41 ◼   ► I'm speaking in Romanian today.

00:00:42 ◼   ► This is what I decided to do.

00:00:44 ◼   ► Oh, interesting. Okay.

00:00:45 ◼   ► How much Romanian do you know?

00:00:46 ◼   ► You just heard it, my friend. You got it.

00:00:49 ◼   ► Oh, that's it?

00:00:50 ◼   ► That's it? Okay.

00:00:51 ◼   ► Okay.

00:00:53 ◼   ► When it comes to just, like, general conversation,

00:00:55 ◼   ► that was it. You got it.

00:00:57 ◼   ► Other than that, it's the occasional word here or there.

00:00:59 ◼   ► I'll work on it.

00:01:00 ◼   ► Okay. I have some very exciting news.

00:01:04 ◼   ► Okay.

00:01:04 ◼   ► We closed out our St. Jude campaign.

00:01:07 ◼   ► I'm gonna read the exact number.

00:01:09 ◼   ► $701,220.26.

00:01:16 ◼   ► Man, I wish they had that hype button nearby right now.

00:01:19 ◼   ► I don't know where mine is. I got a bell.

00:01:20 ◼   ► Bam, bam, bam, bam, bam, bam.

00:01:22 ◼   ► There you go. I made the noise.

00:01:23 ◼   ► Bam, bam, bam, bam, bam, bam.

00:01:25 ◼   ► Bam, bam, bam, bam, bam.

00:01:28 ◼   ► It's incredible. Thank you so much to everybody that donated. We could not have

00:01:31 ◼   ► even dreamt of that number, I feel like. I know I didn't. It's truly incredible. Thank you.

00:01:39 ◼   ► So here's the thing. September is a very exciting time, right? I woke up this morning and checked

00:01:45 ◼   ► the fundraising page and then remembered that it was over. So I'm just looking for some excitement.

00:01:51 ◼   ► You just want to feel alive again?

00:01:52 ◼   ► Podcastathon again next Friday!

00:01:55 ◼   ► Good luck.

00:01:57 ◼   ► What if September was twice a year?

00:02:00 ◼   ► Like what if you had September one and September two?

00:02:04 ◼   ► And that will let you do two podcastathons.

00:02:07 ◼   ► Doesn't our calendar come from ancient Rome in a way that's your fault that we

00:02:11 ◼   ► don't?

00:02:11 ◼   ► Look, I'm not responsible for what my ancestors did, you know,

00:02:15 ◼   ► killing each other off in a colosseum like this.

00:02:18 ◼   ► That's probably a good, good, like, just like a good general rule to take.

00:02:23 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:02:24 ◼   ► I will also say I am not responsible for what my ancestors did.

00:02:30 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:02:31 ◼   ► Oh yeah.

00:02:31 ◼   ► Same.

00:02:33 ◼   ► Does America even have ancestors?

00:02:36 ◼   ► You're like four weeks old as a country.

00:02:39 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:02:39 ◼   ► Wow.

00:02:40 ◼   ► There's some pretty crappy stuff in those four weeks.

00:02:43 ◼   ► Oh, that's true.

00:02:43 ◼   ► Yeah, it was a pretty bad four weeks as far as four weeks ago.

00:02:48 ◼   ► So here's the thing.

00:02:49 ◼   ► During September, we gamify everything.

00:02:51 ◼   ► Everything is exciting.

00:02:53 ◼   ► I just want to feel something again. So I have come up with something called the connected

00:02:57 ◼   ► raffle. Wait, what is happening? Okay. Well, I just want to state this, this, whatever

00:03:02 ◼   ► this is, is this a secret topic? Okay. Steven has decided to do this 100% on his own and

00:03:09 ◼   ► has now has now branded something with the entire show. So maybe me and me and Federico

00:03:16 ◼   ► will not apologize for what Steven's doing. You know? Yeah. I also don't know what's a

00:03:21 ◼   ► a raffle. So, okay, let me start from the beginning. You draw a number and then you

00:03:28 ◼   ► win. So if we all had tickets and Jason was on stage, because Jason can pick a number

00:03:33 ◼   ► out of a hat, he can't flip a coin, but he can pick a number. So it's like a lottery?

00:03:38 ◼   ► Yes. Like a lottery. Yes. Okay. So what I've done, I've broken today's show down into 11

00:03:43 ◼   ► components. And Myke, you need to have dice by P Calc ready. We have done this before.

00:03:49 ◼   ► had an episode of a bunch of mini topics and then someone had to choose a number.

00:03:57 ◼   ► Well this time Dice by Peacock is doing it. I've done all the topics. I've broken

00:04:02 ◼   ► follow-up into four sections and I put the ads in. It's gonna be fun.

00:04:08 ◼   ► Yes, this is amazing!

00:04:11 ◼   ► I'm sorry, I'm the guy who doesn't get any sort of game like...

00:04:19 ◼   ► Try explaining it again.

00:04:20 ◼   ► Try explaining it again.

00:04:21 ◼   ► Okay.

00:04:22 ◼   ► So say that we roll a six, then we talk about tables in the craft app.

00:04:27 ◼   ► Why?

00:04:28 ◼   ► If we roll a ten, I read the Squarespace ad.

00:04:30 ◼   ► All right, so hold on, hold on.

00:04:32 ◼   ► Et cetera, et cetera.

00:04:33 ◼   ► I need to try and explain this.

00:04:34 ◼   ► I'm completely lost.

00:04:35 ◼   ► All right, all right, all right.

00:04:36 ◼   ► So Federico, what Stephen's done is he's taken the show today and behind the scenes cut it

00:04:40 ◼   ► into 11 separate chunks.

00:04:43 ◼   ► So we don't see it.

00:04:46 ◼   ► Stephen's done it.

00:04:47 ◼   ► Okay, now we see it.

00:04:48 ◼   ► - Yeah, so T's taken 11 segments and put them together.

00:04:53 ◼   ► And now I guess we'll be rolling, what, an 11?

00:04:59 ◼   ► Like how do I go for 11?

00:05:01 ◼   ► - There's an 11 side, Dias, right?

00:05:04 ◼   ► - No.

00:05:04 ◼   ► - Is there a 12?

00:05:06 ◼   ► - Yes.

00:05:07 ◼   ► - Okay, I will break up iOS 15.1 and tvOS.

00:05:12 ◼   ► - There you go, so we now have 12 things.

00:05:14 ◼   ► And so what if we get the same number?

00:05:17 ◼   ► Do we re-roll?

00:05:17 ◼   ► Yeah, yeah, because I can't read the Squarespace ad four times, I'd be in trouble with Carrie,

00:05:22 ◼   ► so I absolutely adore that the ads are part of this, because we could just like triple

00:05:28 ◼   ► the ads in one go.

00:05:29 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:05:30 ◼   ► Probably, I actually don't know if we, we'll find out if that's a problem later on, I suppose.

00:05:36 ◼   ► Maybe we don't get paid for this episode, we'll see.

00:05:38 ◼   ► And then I guess Steven can compensate me and Federico for his idea.

00:05:42 ◼   ► I really enjoy this.

00:05:44 ◼   ► This is a lot of fun.

00:05:45 ◼   ► Good.

00:05:46 ◼   ► I guess I should roll the dice, right?

00:05:48 ◼   ► - Yeah, and do it where we can hear it

00:05:49 ◼   ► so you're not secretly, you know, behind the scenes.

00:05:52 ◼   ► - Oh yeah, okay, so I have to turn on speak dice.

00:05:55 ◼   ► All right.

00:05:56 ◼   ► And play dice sounds.

00:05:59 ◼   ► I don't know why it said D12.

00:06:00 ◼   ► It's five is the answer.

00:06:02 ◼   ► I'll try and see if I can, oh, speak results.

00:06:04 ◼   ► That's what I needed.

00:06:04 ◼   ► Number five is what we're starting with.

00:06:06 ◼   ► - Okay, some follow-up.

00:06:09 ◼   ► The iPad Mini is a great bathtub iPad.

00:06:13 ◼   ► I put this in the show notes,

00:06:17 ◼   ► which I thought would be fun for Federico

00:06:19 ◼   ► because I would almost assume that he would naturally assume

00:06:22 ◼   ► that you put this in there.

00:06:23 ◼   ► But I have taken two bathtub baths,

00:06:28 ◼   ► I don't know why I said it like that,

00:06:29 ◼   ► in the past couple of weeks,

00:06:32 ◼   ► and I've used the iPad mini both times.

00:06:34 ◼   ► I have one of those things

00:06:35 ◼   ► that goes over the top of the bath, right?

00:06:37 ◼   ► That you can put things on, you know what I mean?

00:06:39 ◼   ► Like it's like a little shelf.

00:06:40 ◼   ► - Yeah, I got one too, it's great.

00:06:41 ◼   ► Yeah, and I've been, I have my iPad mini in there

00:06:44 ◼   ► and watching videos and stuff on it.

00:06:46 ◼   ► It's really good.

00:06:47 ◼   ► 'Cause the big iPad, I always worry

00:06:50 ◼   ► I'm gonna knock it into the bathtub.

00:06:53 ◼   ► And is that, do you just watch things?

00:06:55 ◼   ► - Yeah.

00:06:56 ◼   ► - Yeah, yeah, I just watch things.

00:06:57 ◼   ► I don't think you could read on it.

00:06:59 ◼   ► I don't think I'd feel comfortable reading.

00:07:00 ◼   ► - No, you don't wanna touch it

00:07:01 ◼   ► 'cause you're, if your hands are bubbly.

00:07:03 ◼   ► - So that's that.

00:07:04 ◼   ► - Federico's not really a bath person.

00:07:06 ◼   ► He seems noticeably silent in this section.

00:07:08 ◼   ► - Do you have a bathtub Federico?

00:07:10 ◼   ► - I do.

00:07:11 ◼   ► You do have a laptop. Okay. Yeah, I use it.

00:07:14 ◼   ► Oh, you check a bath. Yeah, I don't bring my electronics in it.

00:07:19 ◼   ► Do you listen to things when you're in the bath? It's just like quiet time for Federico.

00:07:23 ◼   ► It's just quiet time. Yeah. Just relaxing time, you know? Yeah, I don't. I prefer to

00:07:32 ◼   ► read like at night or when I'm just like, like an afternoon break on the couch with

00:07:39 ◼   ► my dogs. Like, I don't play games, I don't read books. I just lay there and usually fall

00:07:45 ◼   ► asleep. You fall asleep in the bathtub? Oh yeah, sometimes. You know, light some scented

00:07:51 ◼   ► candles. That's nice. Wow, you're having the most bath. Yeah, that's like big, big time

00:07:57 ◼   ► bath. Yeah, and we have... Mega bath. You know, we have the scented, like the flavored,

00:08:04 ◼   ► they call it the salts that they do.

00:08:06 ◼   ► - Vassalts.

00:08:07 ◼   ► - Vassalts and the different colors.

00:08:09 ◼   ► That's cool.

00:08:10 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:08:12 ◼   ► But no devices in the bathtub, no.

00:08:17 ◼   ► - All right, should I roll the dice?

00:08:19 ◼   ► - Please.

00:08:20 ◼   ► - Did you hear that?

00:08:21 ◼   ► One. - No.

00:08:22 ◼   ► It's very quiet.

00:08:23 ◼   ► - All right, well, 'cause the issue is

00:08:24 ◼   ► I have to leave my phone off silent,

00:08:26 ◼   ► but it's on Do Not Disturb anyway,

00:08:27 ◼   ► so I'm sure it won't avoid people too much.

00:08:29 ◼   ► - That's fine.

00:08:30 ◼   ► - It was number one.

00:08:32 ◼   ► All right, Myke, you want to tell us about iOS 15.0.1?

00:08:37 ◼   ► (laughing)

00:08:40 ◼   ► - It shipped last week and breaking news,

00:08:44 ◼   ► it restored the functionality for the mask unlock.

00:08:47 ◼   ► - No way.

00:08:49 ◼   ► - It totally did. - Really?

00:08:50 ◼   ► - Yeah, breaking news, it's back.

00:08:52 ◼   ► Federico, are you on like 15.1 on your iPhone?

00:08:56 ◼   ► - Yes, I am, on all my devices in fact.

00:08:58 ◼   ► - Why, I mean, when I say, I was gonna say,

00:09:02 ◼   ► You ask why?

00:09:03 ◼   ► Why? But it was more like why? Why do you continue to keep the beta on now?

00:09:07 ◼   ► Well...

00:09:08 ◼   ► Because you're not writing a review about it, you know?

00:09:10 ◼   ► No, but I think I'm going to have an article about it. It's always interesting to see what

00:09:18 ◼   ► fixes and what features make it in the first point release.

00:09:21 ◼   ► Yeah, I guess point one is probably the one to keep it on for, right? Because that's everything

00:09:25 ◼   ► we didn't get to.

00:09:27 ◼   ► Yeah, but there's also a matter of shortcuts is unusable in 15.0.1 or whatever the stable is.

00:09:35 ◼   ► Is it also, is it usable in 15.1?

00:09:38 ◼   ► Eeee!

00:09:41 ◼   ► Barely.

00:09:42 ◼   ► Beta 3 just came out a few minutes ago before the show and I'm hoping that we're gonna get some more fixes in shortcuts, but it's bad.

00:09:51 ◼   ► It's very bad.

00:09:52 ◼   ► So that's part of the reason why I keep it on all my devices is at the very least it's got like

00:09:58 ◼   ► some minimal functionality added to the editor that makes it barely usable. But like in beta 2,

00:10:09 ◼   ► for example, I could not edit a shortcut on my iPhone at all. So one of my shortcuts had

00:10:22 ◼   ► a little too many nested blocks.

00:10:25 ◼   ► You know when you drag in a block of actions in shortcuts

00:10:28 ◼   ► and it gets indented in the editor?

00:10:31 ◼   ► Like it's sort of like it's slightly indented

00:10:34 ◼   ► to the right side of the screen?

00:10:35 ◼   ► Well, you add enough of those,

00:10:38 ◼   ► and basically all my actions had disappeared

00:10:41 ◼   ► into the right side of the editor.

00:10:44 ◼   ► - They're just tucking them away in there, man.

00:10:45 ◼   ► - They're tucking them away.

00:10:46 ◼   ► They were hiding.

00:10:47 ◼   ► It's like, "No, don't touch us.

00:10:49 ◼   ► Don't modify us, please."

00:10:52 ◼   ► Enough with the base64!

00:10:57 ◼   ► So I had to use my iPad, but the iPad had different bugs, so it's been challenging to

00:11:02 ◼   ► work with shortcuts lately.

00:11:04 ◼   ► I'm hoping that beta 3 makes it better.

00:11:06 ◼   ► I have a weird thing on my iPad where just one shortcut that I use a lot isn't working,

00:11:11 ◼   ► but it works on every other device that I have.

00:11:14 ◼   ► I think I shared this with you, and I get this weird NS-Coco...

00:11:19 ◼   ► Oh John gets the same error!

00:11:21 ◼   ► - And I tried doing what you suggested to me,

00:11:23 ◼   ► which was to reset all the privacy.

00:11:25 ◼   ► That did not work, no.

00:11:26 ◼   ► - You know what you and Jon have in common, Myke?

00:11:30 ◼   ► You run Federico's beta shortcuts.

00:11:33 ◼   ► - Yeah, yeah, I'm sure that's broken something somewhere.

00:11:36 ◼   ► - Jon gets NS file provider error domain on his iPhone.

00:11:41 ◼   ► - Mine is something else.

00:11:43 ◼   ► I wanna see if I can, I know I put it in a iMessage thread.

00:11:48 ◼   ► include steps to reproduce. I don't want to do that.

00:11:55 ◼   ► NS... wow man this is gonna take me ages to find. But yeah hopefully this

00:12:02 ◼   ► gets better in beta 3. NS Coco error domain 3840. Ah sure, that one.

00:12:10 ◼   ► And it just says open the shortcut for more details. There's no details. And there

00:12:13 ◼   ► are no details. There's no details. I know. It's like open for more details. Like yes

00:12:17 ◼   ► there are more details now I can finally understand and then you tap it and nothing happens.

00:12:22 ◼   ► Zero details. Like all this is supposed to be doing is uploading a pdf to a to a dropbox file.

00:12:29 ◼   ► That's all this is supposed to do. So all this does is I get a pdf and it's like a receipt

00:12:36 ◼   ► and I just want to upload it to dropbox and does not and this is what I'm left with. So

00:12:43 ◼   ► Shout out to the dice again.

00:12:45 ◼   ► Please.

00:12:46 ◼   ► 4.

00:12:46 ◼   ► 4?

00:12:47 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:12:48 ◼   ► Okay.

00:12:48 ◼   ► Follow up.

00:12:50 ◼   ► Zwift UI.

00:12:51 ◼   ► Why is all the follow up at the beginning?

00:12:53 ◼   ► Myke, are you playing us?

00:12:55 ◼   ► You can hear it.

00:12:57 ◼   ► What do you think I can do with that?

00:12:58 ◼   ► Like, it's silent.

00:13:01 ◼   ► It is.

00:13:01 ◼   ► I cannot hear it.

00:13:02 ◼   ► Oh, really?

00:13:03 ◼   ► I mean, I could try turning it up.

00:13:06 ◼   ► Yeah, and stick the thing around the microphone.

00:13:08 ◼   ► Come on.

00:13:08 ◼   ► All right.

00:13:09 ◼   ► Well, it was 4.

00:13:10 ◼   ► 4 was the number.

00:13:11 ◼   ► Okay.

00:13:12 ◼   ► I can show you a screenshot if you want it.

00:13:14 ◼   ► If this show goes perfectly in order, I'm going to be extremely disappointed.

00:13:18 ◼   ► I mean, it's not perfectly in order. We've got 154.

00:13:21 ◼   ► Yeah, but we've done top of the following.

00:13:23 ◼   ► I did have a thought a minute ago, by the way, that when we get down to the back half,

00:13:26 ◼   ► there could be a lot of dice rolling until we get the numbers that are left.

00:13:29 ◼   ► Oh, I know.

00:13:30 ◼   ► We'll have to work out how to fix that. Oh, you know. Okay, great.

00:13:32 ◼   ► I thought through this.

00:13:34 ◼   ► Okay.

00:13:35 ◼   ► We spoke about SwiftUI and how it seems like maybe it's really good for some types of applications,

00:13:42 ◼   ► but not ready for others.

00:13:43 ◼   ► I got a really nice email from our friend_davidsmith,

00:13:48 ◼   ► who is probably, in addition to being the world's

00:13:51 ◼   ► most educated developer about Apple Watch development,

00:13:55 ◼   ► he probably also has the most popular SwiftUI app

00:13:58 ◼   ► in Widgetsmith.

00:13:59 ◼   ► - I think that's probably fair to say.

00:14:00 ◼   ► Like, who else has got an app bigger than Widgetsmith

00:14:03 ◼   ► that's entirely in SwiftUI, right?

00:14:05 ◼   ► Like, that feels pretty fair. - No one.

00:14:07 ◼   ► - I can't imagine that anybody does.

00:14:10 ◼   ► - Yeah, so I'm gonna read a little bit

00:14:11 ◼   ► about what he wrote, because I think it's really good.

00:14:14 ◼   ► - I could have said shortcuts in iOS 15,

00:14:16 ◼   ► but you know, that's the joke.

00:14:18 ◼   ► - I bet more people use Widgetsmith.

00:14:22 ◼   ► - I think so too.

00:14:24 ◼   ► - Interesting, okay.

00:14:25 ◼   ► You think so?

00:14:28 ◼   ► - There was a clarification, I think I wrote this down

00:14:31 ◼   ► in a minute somewhere, independent was the,

00:14:33 ◼   ► but because I'm sure there's other apps on iOS

00:14:37 ◼   ► that are written in SwiftUI, but as an independent app,

00:14:41 ◼   ► Like a developer has no say over SwiftUI, right?

00:14:44 ◼   ► Like can't call someone in the SwiftUI department

00:14:47 ◼   ► to ask them why this isn't working, you know?

00:14:50 ◼   ► - So Underscore wrote,

00:14:51 ◼   ► "SwiftUI is absolutely ready for production

00:14:53 ◼   ► "and is capable of delivering robust user experiences."

00:14:57 ◼   ► Then he talks about how he uses WidgetSmith

00:14:58 ◼   ► and how it's been excellent for him there.

00:15:00 ◼   ► "SwiftUI also has profound limitations."

00:15:03 ◼   ► This is what I really liked.

00:15:04 ◼   ► "It possesses a constrained circle of competence,

00:15:07 ◼   ► "a limited area of features and functions

00:15:10 ◼   ► that is able to do an adequate job of performing.

00:15:13 ◼   ► If a developer ever steps outside

00:15:15 ◼   ► of the circle of competence, then their users

00:15:17 ◼   ► are severely punished and the experience will be awful.

00:15:21 ◼   ► The circle expands every year, but if an app's features cannot

00:15:24 ◼   ► be completely encompassed by what SwiftUI can do,

00:15:27 ◼   ► then there just isn't an appropriate tool for the job.

00:15:30 ◼   ► This was funny for me when I was reading this.

00:15:35 ◼   ► I was thinking, oh, Dave's disagreeing with us.

00:15:38 ◼   ► Like, because the first point, it's like,

00:15:40 ◼   ► SwiftUI has been excellent for me,

00:15:43 ◼   ► and enabled a wide range of features

00:15:45 ◼   ► that would have taken dramatically longer

00:15:46 ◼   ► to create in traditional UI kit.

00:15:48 ◼   ► I was like, oh no, I've upset Dave.

00:15:50 ◼   ► And then he's like, oh, by the way,

00:15:52 ◼   ► if you do anything even a little bit more

00:15:56 ◼   ► than it wants you to do, it will punish you.

00:15:58 ◼   ► And I think that this is a good example,

00:16:01 ◼   ► 'cause what we were trying to get across last week,

00:16:03 ◼   ► I don't know if we did a good job of explaining it,

00:16:05 ◼   ► was the main issue seems to be,

00:16:08 ◼   ► If you take an existing app that people use and know,

00:16:12 ◼   ► and then decide you're gonna make a SwiftUI version,

00:16:15 ◼   ► you will cause pain.

00:16:16 ◼   ► Like if it's complicated,

00:16:18 ◼   ► and you decide you're gonna move it over,

00:16:20 ◼   ► things aren't gonna work the same.

00:16:22 ◼   ► And I think that was what we were trying to get to.

00:16:24 ◼   ► And as we've been, it's a running joke now at the episode,

00:16:27 ◼   ► Shortcuts is a good example of this, right?

00:16:29 ◼   ► It was a very complicated existing application

00:16:32 ◼   ► that they moved to SwiftUI,

00:16:33 ◼   ► and it got some really nice features

00:16:35 ◼   ► and some nice design stuff.

00:16:37 ◼   ► but there is a bunch of problems with it.

00:16:39 ◼   ► - Yeah, that's really the...

00:16:41 ◼   ► And also what Dave says about the circle of competence,

00:16:45 ◼   ► like what we were saying about complex experiences

00:16:49 ◼   ► and complex apps.

00:16:50 ◼   ► Like when you have these productivity tools usually,

00:16:54 ◼   ► where you have all kinds of different controls, right?

00:16:57 ◼   ► And you have all like shortcut, again, look at shortcuts.

00:17:00 ◼   ► You have multi-window,

00:17:01 ◼   ► you have different multitasking states,

00:17:03 ◼   ► you have drag and drop, but also copy and paste.

00:17:05 ◼   ► You have context menus, then you have sliders,

00:17:09 ◼   ► and you have dropdowns, and you have model windows.

00:17:12 ◼   ► Like, you have all kinds of controls

00:17:14 ◼   ► overlapping with each other and having

00:17:16 ◼   ► to coexist within the same editor experience.

00:17:20 ◼   ► It's a complicated experience.

00:17:22 ◼   ► This is not like a wallpaper app or something,

00:17:25 ◼   ► or a utility to let you pick a watch face.

00:17:28 ◼   ► This is a complex programming tool.

00:17:32 ◼   ► and they decided to move from the previous version to the SwiftUI version, and that's been causing

00:17:39 ◼   ► a whole bunch of problems to existing users. Users didn't demand a framework rewrite,

00:17:46 ◼   ► users just wanted to keep using shortcuts and maybe have a bunch of new actions.

00:17:50 ◼   ► The problem is you are forcing your internal decisions, your technical decisions upon users,

00:17:59 ◼   ► And it's not like shortcuts in 15, it's this major upgrade, right? I mean, as we've seen in my review,

00:18:06 ◼   ► like, sure, there's a bunch of actions, the files actions are welcome, but they haven't revolutionized.

00:18:12 ◼   ► And I think it looks like, visually, just when it is working, it looks way nicer and cleaner,

00:18:18 ◼   ► but I don't know if you needed to change to SwiftUI to do that.

00:18:24 ◼   ► And I wonder if they would have done it at all if they weren't bringing it to the Mac.

00:18:29 ◼   ► And the Mac version on Monterey is just a disaster visually.

00:18:37 ◼   ► I mean, lots of weirdness, lots of broken things.

00:18:40 ◼   ► And we're... it's October! We're pretty close to when Monterey is probably

00:18:44 ◼   ► going to ship. I mean, I think it'd be in the next

00:18:46 ◼   ► four to six weeks. I just don't know why they felt like that it had to

00:18:50 ◼   ► go down this road. I saw screenshots of the Mac version

00:18:54 ◼   ► sent to me by John, who was testing some of my shortcuts a few days ago.

00:18:59 ◼   ► It's bad. Like, it's in a bad state. Like, alerts that are empty and spanning the full height of the

00:19:06 ◼   ► display or contextual menus that appear in the wrong place. Shortcuts that don't open at all.

00:19:14 ◼   ► Like, it's at least as of beta 8, which again, beta 9 came out a few minutes ago, we cannot test it.

00:19:21 ◼   ► But as of Beta 8, it was not good.

00:19:25 ◼   ► It was not nice.

00:19:27 ◼   ► And it's slightly concerning, I think.

00:19:30 ◼   ► - Yeah, and as Jason points out in the Discord,

00:19:34 ◼   ► was Catalyst not an option?

00:19:36 ◼   ► Like, it's just sitting right there.

00:19:38 ◼   ► I don't know.

00:19:39 ◼   ► I'd love to hear what went into this decision.

00:19:41 ◼   ► And I think Federighi said this on an interview,

00:19:45 ◼   ► maybe I'm just making it up, but like, someone said it,

00:19:48 ◼   ► that by shortcuts using SwiftUI,

00:19:51 ◼   ► it's like push SwiftUI in new directions and they're like building things out just for the shortcuts team, but it's not enough.

00:19:58 ◼   ► Well, it was similar of Catalyst too, right? When Apple started making more of their apps in Catalyst it pushes it.

00:20:04 ◼   ► Look, and I agree with this thinking and I'm very sure that SwiftUI is going to

00:20:11 ◼   ► be everything to everyone in the future.

00:20:15 ◼   ► But the point that we were making last time and continuing to make today is that I

00:20:21 ◼   ► not sure that that time is now.

00:20:23 ◼   ► And if you make this decision,

00:20:26 ◼   ► you've got to make it real careful.

00:20:29 ◼   ► Because if you commit to this,

00:20:30 ◼   ► I don't know, like, I don't know.

00:20:33 ◼   ► How long is it going to take them to fix

00:20:36 ◼   ► the issues that you're seeing in shortcuts?

00:20:38 ◼   ► Like, could it be fixed in a month?

00:20:40 ◼   ► Or is it going to take a year?

00:20:41 ◼   ► It's like they forced you to move into a new house

00:20:45 ◼   ► and construction is still going.

00:20:46 ◼   ► And you're like,

00:20:48 ◼   ► I was perfectly fine where I was and now there's this whole big mess around me.

00:20:54 ◼   ► And like, I don't know how long it'll take, right? Nobody knows.

00:21:01 ◼   ► Maybe it won't be long, right? Maybe, who knows?

00:21:03 ◼   ► Maybe it won't be. Maybe it won't be long.

00:21:06 ◼   ► But it's not, you know, we keep... Every year we have these discussions about how, like,

00:21:12 ◼   ► "Oh, this is the year that people discover shortcuts, that regular people discover shortcuts,

00:21:16 ◼   ► and it becomes approachable by the masses.

00:21:20 ◼   ► And you have to wonder, like, what's the first impression

00:21:23 ◼   ► if when people upgrade their devices, they see this,

00:21:27 ◼   ► and they think it's their fault, but it's not their fault, right?

00:21:32 ◼   ► It's bugs in the app.

00:21:34 ◼   ► What's the kind of first-run experience

00:21:36 ◼   ► that you get from that?

00:21:37 ◼   ► And also, there's a whole other argument to have here,

00:21:40 ◼   ► like, is Apple still really chasing that dream of,

00:21:46 ◼   ► let's make programming approachable to the masses.

00:21:50 ◼   ► Have they given up on it?

00:21:52 ◼   ► Because on the one hand,

00:21:54 ◼   ► you don't see any meaningful improvements

00:21:56 ◼   ► in terms of shortcuts on the Apple Watch, for example,

00:21:59 ◼   ► or shortcuts in Siri.

00:22:00 ◼   ► You don't have changes for those features

00:22:04 ◼   ► that are in theory the mainstream flavors of shortcuts.

00:22:09 ◼   ► But then you see some power user improvements

00:22:13 ◼   ► on iOS, HyperOS, the Mac version,

00:22:16 ◼   ► all the automator stuff. So is Apple accepted that there's only so far they can go when it comes to

00:22:23 ◼   ► making shortcuts more approachable to regular people? And that's a different discussion. What

00:22:29 ◼   ► we have here is a problematic rewrite of an existing app that does not make for a good

00:22:37 ◼   ► first impression, right? But also only 20% of people appear to have updated to iOS 15,

00:22:45 ◼   ► so there's also that. Like, I was checking out the latest numbers from Mixpanel yesterday.

00:22:50 ◼   ► I keep a note of these adoption rate numbers throughout the whole year, and iOS 15 is

00:22:58 ◼   ► considerably lagging behind 14. I mean, obviously, right? 14 had the new home screen and widgets.

00:23:05 ◼   ► 15, in comparison, has nothing. So it's not surprising that only 22% of existing users have

00:23:12 ◼   ► updated to 15. Also because if you go to the software update screen on iOS 14,

00:23:18 ◼   ► Apple is not really pushing that upgrade. There's only like a small link at the bottom that says,

00:23:26 ◼   ► "Oh, iOS 15 is also available." So it's a complex conversation, and maybe Apple is enforcing these

00:23:33 ◼   ► updates because there's a whole bunch of problems, right? Not just in shortcuts. iPadOS has its own

00:23:39 ◼   ► share of problems, for example. Like, there's still no way to reopen a window that you have

00:23:45 ◼   ► accidentally closed from the shelf. Like, just to name one problem. So maybe these updates

00:23:51 ◼   ► aren't being pushed so aggressively because Apple knows that they have to fix a few things

00:23:55 ◼   ► before, and maybe in a couple of months they'll go, "Oh yeah, iOS 15, big splashy screen

00:24:00 ◼   ► in settings, go update now," because all the bugs have been fixed. I don't know.

00:24:05 ◼   ► All right, you ready? Yes.

00:24:07 ◼   ► D12, 6.

00:24:10 ◼   ► Steve Jobs.

00:24:11 ◼   ► That's such a strange transition.

00:24:16 ◼   ► So yeah, this week marked 10 years since the passing of Steve Jobs.

00:24:22 ◼   ► Which is, these things, they have a way of creeping up.

00:24:25 ◼   ► Like one, I never remember, it's around this time of year.

00:24:28 ◼   ► And also I kind of can't believe it's been 10 years.

00:24:33 ◼   ► And there's been a bunch of things, like I'm going to put some links in the show notes.

00:24:37 ◼   ► One, Apple put a video on their website.

00:24:39 ◼   ► Somebody put it on YouTube.

00:24:40 ◼   ► I put that in there.

00:24:41 ◼   ► Johnny Ive wrote a really nice article, editorial,

00:24:46 ◼   ► I think in the "Wallship Journal" magazine.

00:24:47 ◼   ► This is the first time I've ever read anything in Apple News.

00:24:50 ◼   ► It's freely available in Apple News in its entirety.

00:24:53 ◼   ► I guess if, or maybe like I get Apple News Plus,

00:24:56 ◼   ► I don't know, maybe 'cause I'm on the iCloud premiere thing,

00:25:00 ◼   ► whatever they call it.

00:25:02 ◼   ► Tim Cook obviously wrote a memo to staff

00:25:05 ◼   ► And Scott Forstall had a very nice tweet,

00:25:07 ◼   ► which I actually wanna read 'cause it's just a tweet.

00:25:10 ◼   ► I found this kind of touching, I think we all did.

00:25:13 ◼   ► "10 years ago today, I lost a mentor, colleague,

00:25:15 ◼   ► "collaborator, design partner,

00:25:17 ◼   ► "and most importantly, a friend,

00:25:19 ◼   ► "when Steve Jobs left us too soon.

00:25:21 ◼   ► "He had an incalculable effect on everyone he impacted,

00:25:25 ◼   ► "which as far as I can tell, is everyone on the planet."

00:25:29 ◼   ► Like that is such a beautiful line.

00:25:31 ◼   ► That's like so good.

00:25:33 ◼   ► And Johnny Ives, I don't even know if I can read quotes

00:25:36 ◼   ► from that 'cause it gets me.

00:25:38 ◼   ► You can feel in every word that he writes his sadness,

00:25:42 ◼   ► I think, and that one, it's a very beautiful article

00:25:47 ◼   ► I recommend people read, sorry.

00:25:51 ◼   ► But it is, I don't know, it's tough.

00:25:54 ◼   ► That video has now been taken down, by the way, so sorry.

00:25:58 ◼   ► You know the YouTube video that you put in the link, Stephen?

00:26:01 ◼   ► - Yeah. - That you put in the note,

00:26:02 ◼   ► soon yeah I think apples apples taking care I think Tim Cook had a tweet with

00:26:06 ◼   ► the embedded maybe we can put that in the notes oh great I'll find that put

00:26:10 ◼   ► that in there too yeah it's hard to believe it's been a decade yep it it

00:26:16 ◼   ► really is and I mean I think people in our community like everyone has a

00:26:20 ◼   ► different connection to Steve Jobs and I think some people more than others but

00:26:25 ◼   ► there's no doubt that he left an impact on on all of us and and and that I think

00:26:32 ◼   ► Apple is his greatest creation, right? Not any individual product, but the machine that

00:26:37 ◼   ► makes the products. I think it's what he really focused on towards the end. And, you know,

00:26:43 ◼   ► we all get to continue to benefit from that.

00:26:45 ◼   ► Yeah, this makes me feel weird. I don't like to think about this. It was also not a good

00:26:51 ◼   ► year for me, like 10 years ago. That's right before I was diagnosed and this was happening.

00:26:58 ◼   ► Really?

00:26:59 ◼   ► So, not a happy year at all.

00:27:04 ◼   ► But I can't believe it's 10 years already. Wow.

00:27:07 ◼   ► And yeah, that Johnny Ive article is beautiful.

00:27:10 ◼   ► So go check it out.

00:27:12 ◼   ► You can click the Apple News link and it takes you to Apple News and you can read it for free.

00:27:16 ◼   ► At least that worked for me and I'm not an Apple News subscriber or anything.

00:27:21 ◼   ► Yeah, I don't really know what to say about this, to be honest.

00:27:25 ◼   ► it's

00:27:25 ◼   ► it's not the same

00:27:28 ◼   ► You know like apples not the same. No, that's not what I mean yeah, yeah, no, but like

00:27:35 ◼   ► Yes, they that is

00:27:38 ◼   ► obviously like

00:27:40 ◼   ► Obviously true right like it is you cannot argue right, but that would be the same for anybody

00:27:46 ◼   ► That has passed away. It worked at Apple. You know link. It's not the same because he's not there, but like I just mean that like

00:27:55 ◼   ► Because the problem with saying that is people are like, "Yeah, you know, Tim Cook sucks!"

00:28:00 ◼   ► And it's not what I'm saying.

00:28:02 ◼   ► It's not that.

00:28:03 ◼   ► Right?

00:28:04 ◼   ► It's not that.

00:28:05 ◼   ► The point is it's like, so you watch that video, right, that Tim Cook tweeted.

00:28:10 ◼   ► Everything just feels different.

00:28:11 ◼   ► The presentations are different because he did them, right?

00:28:15 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:28:16 ◼   ► And it's not that the products are better or worse, but it's because there's been stuff

00:28:21 ◼   ► that's better and stuff that's worse, same as when he was there, right? Like, there were bad products

00:28:26 ◼   ► when Steve Jobs was in charge. It's just different. And I don't know what Apple would be like now,

00:28:34 ◼   ► if he was around. They wouldn't be what they are now. And I think that there's some good and some

00:28:40 ◼   ► bad in that, you know? But it just feels so strange because he would still be doing it,

00:28:50 ◼   ► you know? He would still be coming out on stage and doing part of the presentation.

00:28:55 ◼   ► Like he would still be there doing it. And that kind of, I don't know, that makes me feel a little

00:29:01 ◼   ► weird. I feel like more than other companies whose public figures have passed away, I feel like in

00:29:11 ◼   ► In Apple's case with Steve, it's unlike anything else because his persona was so deeply embedded

00:29:19 ◼   ► within our idea of the company before, like, and I'm gonna give you an example.

00:29:24 ◼   ► When Satoru Iwata passed away, the former president of Nintendo, that, like, honestly,

00:29:29 ◼   ► that still sucks, right?

00:29:31 ◼   ► And I still think about it, because like, me growing up, Satoru Iwata was the example

00:29:37 ◼   ► of like, the game developer who became the president of Nintendo.

00:29:41 ◼   ► And if you've never watched any of Satoru's presentations, there's a really good one from

00:29:46 ◼   ► the Game Developers Conference that I highly recommend you go check out.

00:29:51 ◼   ► But the thing is, Nintendo still feels Nintendo.

00:29:55 ◼   ► Nintendo still has that quality that is... it's a separate layer from the Persona.

00:30:08 ◼   ► And I don't know if this was, like, Nintendo as a company managed to isolate itself from

00:30:16 ◼   ► the public persona, right?

00:30:19 ◼   ► And come up with the Nintendo spirit, the Nintendo touch, call it whatever you want

00:30:24 ◼   ► to call it, that doesn't depend on a single individual.

00:30:27 ◼   ► But in the case of Apple, you can tell the difference because the company itself, every

00:30:32 ◼   ► single aspect of it was depending on this public figure, right? The idea of the, you

00:30:42 ◼   ► know, the director, if you will, having his say on even, like, the smallest details. And

00:30:48 ◼   ► with that person gone, the difference is so much more stark compared to a company like

00:30:56 ◼   ► Nintendo, for example, where you can... And not to say that this is... that Apple is bad

00:31:01 ◼   ► now, right? We're not saying that. In fact, the products are even better. Maybe, like,

00:31:05 ◼   ► the iPhones are better. Sure. But you can still look back at those days with nostalgia

00:31:13 ◼   ► and say, not that things were better then, but they were a certain kind of things, and

00:31:22 ◼   ► those things will never be again.

00:31:24 ◼   ► And that's the problem for me.

00:31:26 ◼   ► Like that era will never be again, right?

00:31:30 ◼   ► That's what gets me.

00:31:32 ◼   ► It's a moment that was in time and then it was over.

00:31:36 ◼   ► - I think like what makes Steve Jobs

00:31:40 ◼   ► or what made Steve Jobs different,

00:31:42 ◼   ► even when you compare him to someone like Iwata,

00:31:46 ◼   ► there's like a bunch of things.

00:31:47 ◼   ► Like one, he was the founder, right?

00:31:50 ◼   ► - Yeah.

00:31:51 ◼   ► And I think that that spirit just lived through him.

00:31:55 ◼   ► He created the company and that was intriguing, right?

00:31:58 ◼   ► In a way, right?

00:31:59 ◼   ► Because, and then he had his story, right?

00:32:02 ◼   ► Of leaving and then coming back and saving it, right?

00:32:05 ◼   ► And that's like a whole thing.

00:32:07 ◼   ► And then also the guy was incredibly gifted at what he did.

00:32:12 ◼   ► He was very, you know,

00:32:13 ◼   ► he really knew how to make interesting products

00:32:17 ◼   ► or to help people like lead people

00:32:19 ◼   ► can make interesting products, and he was also a really good presenter. Like, probably

00:32:24 ◼   ► the best. And that made, those three things, and probably a bunch more, I think led to

00:32:31 ◼   ► like, why is he seen so different to many other people? You know, and it's also worth

00:32:36 ◼   ► remembering that like, this whole thing that we have now of CEOs giving presentations,

00:32:41 ◼   ► it comes from him. There is literally zero reason that the CEO of any tech company should

00:32:47 ◼   ► be the one to give the presentation. It doesn't make any sense that it would have to be that

00:32:51 ◼   ► person but everybody does it because Steve Jobs did it.

00:32:55 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:32:56 ◼   ► Right? And like you can see it like Tim still does it but Tim's not as good as many of the

00:33:01 ◼   ► other people they have now which is why his role is like tiny now compared to how it was

00:33:06 ◼   ► when Tim took over. Tim used to do way more of the keynotes than he does now. I think

00:33:13 ◼   ► that role has shrunk over time. But like, yeah, he defines so much of what is in technology

00:33:21 ◼   ► and defines so much of how other companies run themselves. It's, you know, and that's

00:33:27 ◼   ► just one of the many things for why people miss him.

00:33:30 ◼   ► Can you imagine how Steve would have dealt with the remote events, with the pandemic?

00:33:36 ◼   ► I was thinking about this. Like, I was just thinking like in general, like what would Steve,

00:33:42 ◼   ► what do I think Steve Jobs's response to just the pandemic in general be?

00:33:46 ◼   ► And I kind of just, it's just funny to me. Yeah. Not that I think he'd be like,

00:33:51 ◼   ► like a denier, but like, I could just imagine that, you know, company culture stuff,

00:33:56 ◼   ► it all seemed to come from him. And I can imagine that he probably would have pushed to like,

00:34:00 ◼   ► how do we get at least some people back as ASAP?

00:34:04 ◼   ► Oh yeah. Oh yeah. For sure.

00:34:05 ◼   ► Like, like which, which Apple employees want to volunteer to live in this building

00:34:11 ◼   ► and we lock it down. Yeah, something like that seems plausible, yes. I also wonder what do you

00:34:16 ◼   ► think Apple, as Apple has become a more political global power, like I don't think he would have

00:34:23 ◼   ► gone to the White House under the last administration. Well, I don't think it, I just don't think it

00:34:28 ◼   ► that they would be. Like they would be massive but would just not participate in any of it good or

00:34:35 ◼   ► bad you know yeah and that also means like Apple is a social good company

00:34:42 ◼   ► there's also that yeah right I don't think many much of that would have

00:34:46 ◼   ► existed either but like we can never know not right like and there might be

00:34:53 ◼   ► people that have a decent idea they're not us we didn't know the guy no we have

00:34:58 ◼   ► no idea what we're saying and you got to be fair and remember there were lots of

00:35:02 ◼   ► things about him that were pretty not good.

00:35:05 ◼   ► - But I'm problematic.

00:35:06 ◼   ► - Yeah.

00:35:07 ◼   ► - Yeah.

00:35:08 ◼   ► - All right, let's roll the dice.

00:35:10 ◼   ► - Oh, I'm gonna unlock my phone.

00:35:12 ◼   ► - Nine.

00:35:15 ◼   ► - Amazon.

00:35:17 ◼   ► - Oh my God, I was really hoping we were gonna get to an ad.

00:35:20 ◼   ► It's gonna happen, man.

00:35:21 ◼   ► They're all gonna come one after another.

00:35:23 ◼   ► All right, so, what was it?

00:35:25 ◼   ► Last week, Amazon had a product event.

00:35:30 ◼   ► And they've done these a few times

00:35:31 ◼   ► we've covered them on the show where Amazon's whole thing seems to be like,

00:35:35 ◼   ► "Hey, come to our event. We have 70 products to show you." Right? And most of

00:35:41 ◼   ► them you've never heard of before and we're gonna see which ones work. We're

00:35:46 ◼   ► not gonna talk about all of them but I'm gonna give a run through of some of the

00:35:49 ◼   ► stuff they did and then I guess the thing that we'll stop to talk about is

00:35:53 ◼   ► is the robot. Okay. Yep. Okay, so Echo Show 15. This is a 15 inch Echo Show. It's a 1080 screen.

00:36:04 ◼   ► The idea of it meaning to be like a shared hub for families and they keep showing it mounted to

00:36:09 ◼   ► the wall like a picture frame. Includes a camera for video conferencing and stuff $249. Interesting

00:36:17 ◼   ► idea. Which is I guess is the way to say about most Amazon Echo products. Yeah, interesting idea.

00:36:22 ◼   ► Here's one that I think may be very strange, Echo Glow, which is a video conferencing device

00:36:31 ◼   ► for children!

00:36:32 ◼   ► It features an 8 inch display in portrait mode with a touch sensitive table projector

00:36:39 ◼   ► to play games, read books and make art.

00:36:43 ◼   ► So it has a projector that mounts down onto the table and projects things which interact

00:36:48 ◼   ► with touch.

00:36:51 ◼   ► I don't know. Maybe I need kids. I can't get my head around this one.

00:36:54 ◼   ► I mean, that feels like a pretty big commitment for one section of one pockets episode,

00:36:58 ◼   ► but you do you follow up.

00:37:02 ◼   ► I do. I do want to back up to the echo show 15 for a second,

00:37:06 ◼   ► because when I read about it, I was like, Oh, it's like a thing you hang,

00:37:09 ◼   ► you know, in your hallway and it's like this big screen,

00:37:12 ◼   ► 15 inches isn't very big. It's like nailing a Mac book pro to the wall.

00:37:16 ◼   ► It's like, it's, it's too small to be useful.

00:37:20 ◼   ► I mean, it's not small.

00:37:21 ◼   ► But it's not. I mean, have you seen a TV?

00:37:23 ◼   ► Like, it's not big.

00:37:24 ◼   ► Yeah, but I wouldn't want an echo

00:37:25 ◼   ► the size of the television.

00:37:27 ◼   ► Maybe.

00:37:27 ◼   ► That's too big.

00:37:29 ◼   ► I don't know.

00:37:29 ◼   ► The 15 inches sort of like made me chuckle.

00:37:32 ◼   ► It seems like a weird size.

00:37:33 ◼   ► Here's what I'll give you.

00:37:34 ◼   ► All of the images that they show

00:37:36 ◼   ► make it look bigger than it is, I think.

00:37:38 ◼   ► Well, yeah, like there's the one where it's like

00:37:39 ◼   ► in the dining room, it's like,

00:37:40 ◼   ► is that dining room really a closet?

00:37:41 ◼   ► Like, there's just like a tiny little space.

00:37:44 ◼   ► I'll give you that.

00:37:45 ◼   ► Like, what they're meaning to say

00:37:46 ◼   ► is you've mounted on the wall,

00:37:48 ◼   ► but I think you might be right

00:37:49 ◼   ► that's still at 15 inches that might be too small to be what they imagine it to be.

00:37:54 ◼   ► Which is something you just walk by and see every now and then.

00:37:56 ◼   ► It's like a Michael Scott's television.

00:37:58 ◼   ► Yeah, yeah.

00:37:59 ◼   ► It's just like that.

00:38:02 ◼   ► Halo View.

00:38:04 ◼   ► Halo is their line of fitness products.

00:38:08 ◼   ► This is like a Fitbit, this one.

00:38:10 ◼   ► And Amazon is creating something called Halo Fitness, which is a fitness plus like service,

00:38:15 ◼   ► like everybody's doing now.

00:38:18 ◼   ► I think this is the next part, right?

00:38:19 ◼   ► So they all got into TV.

00:38:21 ◼   ► Now they're all getting into fitness streaming services.

00:38:24 ◼   ► Amazon had one of these before that kind of like,

00:38:28 ◼   ► listened to your voice to judge your mood a little bit,

00:38:31 ◼   ► like in this one has had the mics removed.

00:38:33 ◼   ► So it's only got any microphones on it.

00:38:35 ◼   ► - Thank goodness, because that's super creepy.

00:38:37 ◼   ► - Like the constant listening

00:38:38 ◼   ► to see how they think you're doing.

00:38:40 ◼   ► - Yeah, it's like, you seem angry.

00:38:42 ◼   ► It's like, yeah, I'm angry.

00:38:43 ◼   ► I'm wearing a Halo fitness device.

00:38:46 ◼   ► Hey Disney, this is a Disney themed Alexa "experience" they call it.

00:38:52 ◼   ► This is something that anybody can enable on their existing Echo devices but you have

00:38:58 ◼   ► to pay for it.

00:38:59 ◼   ► They're also selling a Mickey Mouse stand for an Echo Show 5 to make it look like it's

00:39:04 ◼   ► Mickey Mouse.

00:39:06 ◼   ► This is going to be in all Disney result rooms.

00:39:09 ◼   ► That's why they've done this.

00:39:10 ◼   ► I stayed in a hotel once that had an echo in the room and you could control like all the lights and

00:39:17 ◼   ► the shades and all that kind of stuff with it. I think this is smart like people go to hotels to

00:39:23 ◼   ► stay in the hotel and they get introduced to what it could be like to have this thing in their home.

00:39:28 ◼   ► I think that's what they're partnering with Disney for here right like we'll create this thing for

00:39:32 ◼   ► you we'll make a little thing that looks like Mickey Mouse and then you can put them in all

00:39:36 ◼   ► of your rooms in all of your hotels all around the world and then millions of people will be exposed

00:39:41 ◼   ► to our functionality. Amazon's making a smart thermostat. Of course. They've opened invites for

00:39:49 ◼   ► the ring camera drone. Do you remember this? Yeah, so this is it's got a little base station.

00:39:56 ◼   ► Yeah. That you like sit on your counter or like on your side table or something and when you're

00:40:00 ◼   ► not home this little like quadcopter with a ring camera on it flies around your home

00:40:06 ◼   ► it keeps an eye on things i don't think it does it on its own i think something has to happen for

00:40:12 ◼   ► it to do that so like if you have an alarm like sensor tripped in the house like say you've got

00:40:20 ◼   ► like the upstairs window then the then it pops out and flies upstairs this seems weird right but if

00:40:27 ◼   ► you think about it it means you don't need to put cameras in every room which is better

00:40:33 ◼   ► i mean until the bad guy like just knocks the drone out of the sky and then steals your tv

00:40:38 ◼   ► yeah but you've got the image of him it's the same as someone can just pull a camera off the wall

00:40:43 ◼   ► you still have a flying drone inside the house though yeah but what i'm saying is i don't i

00:40:49 ◼   ► think that it's easy to assume like to think of this as creepy but it could actually be quite

00:40:54 ◼   ► useful because like why is this different to put in cameras in like

00:40:59 ◼   ► multiple rooms of the house? Because it flies. But what's wrong with that?

00:41:03 ◼   ► What's wrong with the flying? It's creepy. It's a drone inside. Why is that creepy?

00:41:08 ◼   ► Like inherently I'm just intrigued. Because you have a flying

00:41:12 ◼   ► object that I don't know if I imagine if things go wrong and there's a bug and

00:41:17 ◼   ► this thing starts flying around the house. Yeah I mean you know yeah if

00:41:21 ◼   ► If things go wrong with the camera, nothing happens. It's a stationary device. Here you

00:41:27 ◼   ► have a list, a component of risk of this thing thinking on its own and saying "I'm just gonna

00:41:33 ◼   ► go for a stroll." Yeah, I feel like I could beat this thing in a fight though. It's only

00:41:38 ◼   ► small. It's just like a ring doorbell with a little propeller on the top. I don't know.

00:41:42 ◼   ► I am, as we'll see in this conversation, I am very much against moving robotics. Okay,

00:41:48 ◼   ► there's a little teaser. What I say is when I first heard about this I thought it was

00:41:52 ◼   ► stupid but over the course of this conversation I'm kind of like, "It's not that bad."

00:41:59 ◼   ► One thing that's cool is you can set up flight paths and so you'll be like, "Oh, fly by the

00:42:05 ◼   ► stove and see if it's on," which is one of the examples.

00:42:07 ◼   ► That's cool.

00:42:08 ◼   ► Which is pretty cool. I definitely filled out the form to request an invitation so maybe

00:42:13 ◼   ► I'll get to do that.

00:42:14 ◼   ► This thing is gonna give dogs heart attacks and I feel very sorry about this.

00:42:18 ◼   ► That's probably true.

00:42:20 ◼   ► It can also only fly, I'm just reading this now, always home can, can fly up to five minutes

00:42:25 ◼   ► before needing to recharge.

00:42:26 ◼   ► Yeah, but also like you're only doing this in emergency situations, right?

00:42:32 ◼   ► It's not just gonna get up and patrol on its own randomly in the afternoon for you.

00:42:36 ◼   ► You think so.

00:42:37 ◼   ► And it's only pre-set flight paths, so if you say I never want you to fly into my bedroom

00:42:43 ◼   ► or I only want you to fly to my bedroom, it will do that.

00:42:47 ◼   ► - Look, I understand what you mean Federico,

00:42:50 ◼   ► but there are so many things that can go wrong, you know?

00:42:53 ◼   ► And like them going wrong could, like for example,

00:42:57 ◼   ► all of your echoes could just turn on the microphones

00:42:59 ◼   ► 24/7 a day.

00:43:01 ◼   ► - Yeah, sure. - Do you want that to happen?

00:43:02 ◼   ► - No, but it's a microphone, it's not a flying drone.

00:43:07 ◼   ► - But it's not like, this isn't a drone

00:43:09 ◼   ► with like a razor blade on the side of it, like.

00:43:12 ◼   ► Because still, like, what if it starts flying at night and it falls on your head?

00:43:16 ◼   ► I mean, why should I go looking for trouble?

00:43:22 ◼   ► You know?

00:43:24 ◼   ► Yeah, okay.

00:43:25 ◼   ► This is the smartest.

00:43:28 ◼   ► The next part.

00:43:29 ◼   ► Are we seriously okay with an Amazon drone inside of our apartment?

00:43:32 ◼   ► I'm sorry, but like, I'm gonna be that guy.

00:43:34 ◼   ► Why are you okay with multiple Amazon microphones in your house?

00:43:37 ◼   ► Like, I don't know why the drone thing is the issue.

00:43:41 ◼   ► one but... You only have one echo now? It's a f... I have one echo, yes, in the

00:43:46 ◼   ► kitchen. Okay. It's... I don't know. This crosses the creepy threshold for me, okay?

00:43:51 ◼   ► Everyone has one, right? And I'm not saying that you're bad for having it.

00:43:55 ◼   ► Moving gadgets? Nope. I'm sorry. Do you? What do you think about Roombas?

00:44:00 ◼   ► I don't have one. So, like, what do you think about them? I just want to... What do you

00:44:03 ◼   ► think about Roombas? Unnecessary. Just vacuum clean yourself. That's my opinion. So, yeah.

00:44:10 ◼   ► me I don't know. I'm not looking to fight you. Alright let me talk about what I think

00:44:16 ◼   ► is the smartest thing that they announced. The Ring Alarm Pro. It's a ring alarm base

00:44:20 ◼   ► station with an eero built into it. Yes! More of this, right? Like if I'm gonna put one

00:44:26 ◼   ► box somewhere in the house, make it do a bunch of things, right? So why not put an eero inside

00:44:33 ◼   ► of an alarm base station? Put an eero inside of the thermostat. But you know what I mean?

00:44:37 ◼   ► let's bring these products together so I don't have this stack of white boxes in the corner.

00:44:43 ◼   ► This is very cool. I like that a lot. Did you also see you can get external batteries to keep the

00:44:49 ◼   ► alarm online if the power goes out? Mine already, I have one. I have the ring alarm thing and it has

00:44:57 ◼   ► that already so I don't know if this is a different thing. This is I think in addition to that so it

00:45:01 ◼   ► can run for like hours and hours. Okay. It's pretty cool. I mean the ring alarm thing also has like a

00:45:06 ◼   ► 3G connection too because the Wi-Fi goes out. Yep, I've got one now. I've kind of gone all in on the Ring thing

00:45:12 ◼   ► Yeah, it's cool. It's cool. I think this is this is smart

00:45:16 ◼   ► I mean we talked about this with like the HomePod and like

00:45:19 ◼   ► Airport stuff is like why couldn't Apple just make a thing that I put in my kitchen and takes care of a lot of different

00:45:24 ◼   ► aspects of a smart home and they're not there but Ring is doing it and

00:45:29 ◼   ► Amazon owns all these brands and so why not continue to put those things together?

00:45:35 ◼   ► Astro, this is Amazon's,

00:45:39 ◼   ► I don't think it should be called a robot,

00:45:41 ◼   ► but we'll just call it that for the sake of it.

00:45:43 ◼   ► Okay, so I'm gonna give you the basics.

00:45:45 ◼   ► This is Astro, okay?

00:45:46 ◼   ► It's a home security monitoring system and it moves around.

00:45:51 ◼   ► It has a screen on the front and then a little base

00:45:54 ◼   ► and the base has some wheels on it.

00:45:55 ◼   ► It doesn't have arms or legs, it just rolls around.

00:45:58 ◼   ► It can map your home, it can recognize things

00:46:02 ◼   ► and you can send it from room to room.

00:46:05 ◼   ► because it has wheels, it can only be available on one floor of a home.

00:46:09 ◼   ► And if there's any steps in that home or whatever, then it's going to not work.

00:46:14 ◼   ► It can only stay where there's no stairs, right?

00:46:16 ◼   ► Because otherwise it will be destroyed.

00:46:18 ◼   ► Astro can recognize people so you can deliver items to specific individuals

00:46:24 ◼   ► because you can put things in it or on it.

00:46:27 ◼   ► So you could, for example, put like a Coke and say like, take that to Federico.

00:46:31 ◼   ► And it goes to Federico.

00:46:32 ◼   ► and Federico would kick it. That's what would happen.

00:46:36 ◼   ► So Federico comes over and you say, "Hey, take this Coke to Federico."

00:46:39 ◼   ► And it goes near Federico and he pushes it down the stairs

00:46:41 ◼   ► and says, "I don't know what happened."

00:46:43 ◼   ► - What? - It has a periscope camera on it.

00:46:45 ◼   ► So you could say like, "Hey, check if the oven's on."

00:46:48 ◼   ► And it would have, because it's low down,

00:46:49 ◼   ► and it has a little periscope camera that comes up

00:46:51 ◼   ► and can take a look at things that are high up.

00:46:53 ◼   ► It can play music, it can play video, like any Echo Show kind of thing.

00:46:57 ◼   ► It has a USB-C port built into it

00:46:59 ◼   ► so you can charge things from its internal battery.

00:47:02 ◼   ► It has a recharging dock of its own.

00:47:04 ◼   ► It can move around for two hours per charge and then will go back and recharge on its

00:47:09 ◼   ► own like a Roomba.

00:47:11 ◼   ► The screen is a 10-inch touchscreen that shows a little face most of the time when it's not

00:47:15 ◼   ► showing you something else.

00:47:17 ◼   ► It uses obviously the Alexa assistant and has the voice of that one.

00:47:22 ◼   ► I read like a couple of articles of people that used it in Carolina Milanesi I think

00:47:26 ◼   ► was who made an interesting point of like it should have its own voice which is I thought

00:47:30 ◼   ► was an interesting point rather than the standard one because then it has its own personality.

00:47:36 ◼   ► This thing's gonna cost a thousand dollars if you are accepted for an invite to buy it.

00:47:41 ◼   ► So you have to apply for an invite to buy it for a thousand dollars.

00:47:45 ◼   ► Then $1,500 is what the expected price will be later on.

00:47:48 ◼   ► Nope, I'm sorry.

00:47:50 ◼   ► And is this a similar thing of like you just don't like the idea of a moving whole thing?

00:47:56 ◼   ► We've gone too far.

00:47:58 ◼   ► Like you don't need a robot to hand deliver you a coke. Like you don't need it. Just move.

00:48:07 ◼   ► Like you, we have settled into this lazy lifestyle and we are lazy enough as a species, all right?

00:48:17 ◼   ► Like we have all the comforts in our Western society that we could possibly need. We don't

00:48:23 ◼   ► need a robot on wheels that follows you around.

00:48:27 ◼   ► Is there any kind of robot that you could imagine you would want?

00:48:34 ◼   ► Robots are useful in warehouses, in science, like for example there's robots that do surgeries

00:48:41 ◼   ► for example.

00:48:42 ◼   ► Like, robots have a place.

00:48:44 ◼   ► I'm not saying that.

00:48:45 ◼   ► I'm saying that this is unnecessary.

00:48:49 ◼   ► You don't need it.

00:48:51 ◼   ► This is just...

00:48:52 ◼   ► Construction?

00:48:53 ◼   ► I bet robots would be good in construction.

00:48:54 ◼   ► Sure.

00:48:55 ◼   ► Absolutely.

00:48:56 ◼   ► and that's like I'm not against robots I'm just saying that we don't need this

00:49:01 ◼   ► stuff to fill our homes with flying drones and robots on wheels like why

00:49:07 ◼   ► honestly like so here's the thing I pretty much agree with you when it comes

00:49:12 ◼   ► to this thing all of the stuff it can do I don't know why I need something to do

00:49:18 ◼   ► any of it right like I have a Roomba that's great because I don't like

00:49:23 ◼   ► vacuuming right goes around vacuums like fantastic plus you could put a coke on

00:49:28 ◼   ► the Roomba to take to Federico so you don't need a robot to do very true I

00:49:32 ◼   ► could I could do them are people delivering cokes to like other people on

00:49:37 ◼   ► the same floor so when I read that it could do this I was like why like I

00:49:43 ◼   ► don't think anybody needed it's just a thing it could do right this is a made

00:49:48 ◼   ► example. It felt very much like what can we make this thing do? Well, we can recognize people so I

00:49:56 ◼   ► guess we can take things to it? Usually people just go to the fridge and they open the fridge

00:50:02 ◼   ► and they grab a Coke, like usually. Now, you know, one of the things that I thought was interesting

00:50:08 ◼   ► in this is like these types of uses could be helpful for people who otherwise struggle with

00:50:15 ◼   ► movement right and like sure all of us here by the way when we're saying who

00:50:19 ◼   ► needs this we obviously don't mean that right like sure right like we're gonna

00:50:24 ◼   ► call an amnesty on this like obviously if there are people that do require this

00:50:29 ◼   ► kind of assistance helpful for them similar you don't have to say it but

00:50:33 ◼   ► yeah yeah yeah right like those are use cases where something like this could be

00:50:38 ◼   ► great but let's be real that's not who Amazon's making it for no right because

00:50:42 ◼   ► they're making you pay $1,000 for it, right? So like, yes, this could be useful, maybe

00:50:48 ◼   ► sometime in the future, but like right now, like this product is being made for Amazon

00:50:53 ◼   ► to profit on it. And so like they are trying to make a product for the three of us to buy,

00:51:00 ◼   ► ultimately. Now, one thing I will say, actually, Steven, what do you think about this?

00:51:04 ◼   ► I wouldn't want it in my home, but I think if you did, it would be kind of a fun, weird

00:51:11 ◼   ► but I kind of I mean I don't I'm more on Federico side I think than I thought I

00:51:17 ◼   ► would be it's like I don't see really what purpose it really adds like if this

00:51:23 ◼   ► unlocked something that seemed really meaningful to a to a large percentage of

00:51:28 ◼   ► the population maybe I'd be more excited about it but it's just basically a toy

00:51:33 ◼   ► with a camera on it I will make a counterpoint for our opinions right now

00:51:37 ◼   ► which is the Amazon Echo, right?

00:51:41 ◼   ► When we saw that for the first time,

00:51:43 ◼   ► we all laughed at it.

00:51:45 ◼   ► Like, what do I need this thing for?

00:51:47 ◼   ► It looks stupid. What?

00:51:49 ◼   ► Like, you remember the weird ad that they did with the family?

00:51:52 ◼   ► Remember that?

00:51:54 ◼   ► -Oh, yeah.

00:51:55 ◼   ► -And so, like, you know, maybe in five years' time,

00:51:59 ◼   ► it could be really cool,

00:52:00 ◼   ► but with the set of features that it has right now,

00:52:04 ◼   ► I don't feel like I need this.

00:52:06 ◼   ► The one thing that I could consider as useful is the periscope camera thing, where it could

00:52:12 ◼   ► check if the album was on.

00:52:14 ◼   ► But ultimately that's literally happened to me zero times in my life.

00:52:20 ◼   ► I think that those kinds of things sometimes are just used as like, "Oh, it can also check

00:52:25 ◼   ► if this and this."

00:52:26 ◼   ► And I think I read this in a Verge article where they're like, "Well, it can't turn it

00:52:31 ◼   ► off."

00:52:32 ◼   ► So, you know, like it can't press buttons so it can tell you the oven's on but then you have to go turn the oven off. So

00:52:40 ◼   ► Yeah, it's an ink. It feels like very incomplete like every single thing

00:52:46 ◼   ► It can do there is a big problem with it

00:52:50 ◼   ► I do think though

00:52:51 ◼   ► There is a line that that point of view doesn't take into account that a camera is

00:52:57 ◼   ► fundamentally different than a microphone and having something to Federica's point that

00:53:01 ◼   ► Has a camera that could be where you don't expect it to be

00:53:04 ◼   ► Yes is a very different thing than even have a camera looking at your front window

00:53:08 ◼   ► Yeah, I think that this thing definitely makes the point Federico was was concerned about

00:53:13 ◼   ► Much more strongly in that Astro will just move around on its own. Mm-hmm

00:53:19 ◼   ► Which and that's like an intended thing that this will do where the ring drone is supposed to only be in alarm situations

00:53:27 ◼   ► this robot

00:53:30 ◼   ► It's like whole thing is like it just goes around and is there and I think a lot of them will follow you which I also

00:53:35 ◼   ► Don't I'm not comfortable with

00:53:37 ◼   ► Yeah, I mean good luck to them. They've done a bunch of things right so they also have done glasses. So, you know

00:53:45 ◼   ► We'll see what happens and for me. This is a you know a step too far

00:53:51 ◼   ► I'm sorry, like it's not because it's Amazon could be Facebook could be Apple

00:53:56 ◼   ► for could be could be Google like

00:53:59 ◼   ► there's a step too far for me at this point with these things.

00:54:03 ◼   ► And when it comes to electronics that move and fly or follow me around and have cameras,

00:54:11 ◼   ► no. I'm sorry, it's why I think headsets are creepy and weird and... no, no.

00:54:22 ◼   ► Like AR glasses type things you mean, right?

00:54:24 ◼   ► mean right? No like no not for me I try to have less technology in my life not

00:54:32 ◼   ► more and like obviously the tech industry wants to go in the opposite

00:54:37 ◼   ► direction because they want to make more money and they always need to make more

00:54:40 ◼   ► things all the things but yeah I'm I'm good here thank you. Let's roll. Okay here

00:54:50 ◼   ► Here we go.

00:54:51 ◼   ► - Six.

00:54:52 ◼   ► - Did that.

00:54:53 ◼   ► - Yep.

00:54:54 ◼   ► - Three.

00:54:55 ◼   ► - Follow up.

00:54:57 ◼   ► - We're never gonna do the ads, man.

00:55:00 ◼   ► - Fonts on iPad OS.

00:55:02 ◼   ► So Federico, you mentioned that fonts didn't move over

00:55:06 ◼   ► the way that you migrated your devices.

00:55:09 ◼   ► And I realized like, I don't know much about fonts

00:55:11 ◼   ► on iOS and iPad OS 'cause I don't use any custom ones.

00:55:14 ◼   ► Could you give us a quick explainer about how this works

00:55:17 ◼   ► and maybe why people should be interested?

00:55:19 ◼   ► - Yeah, Apple introduced a native API, I believe,

00:55:23 ◼   ► for font provider utilities a couple of years ago.

00:55:27 ◼   ► I think it was iOS 13 maybe.

00:55:29 ◼   ► Nobody is really using it.

00:55:31 ◼   ► I think the idea was that with these API font companies

00:55:36 ◼   ► would be able to release like official apps on the App Store

00:55:40 ◼   ► so that you can natively buy and install fonts

00:55:44 ◼   ► from the App Store.

00:55:45 ◼   ► I think I've seen like maybe like two apps

00:55:48 ◼   ► two years ago for this.

00:55:49 ◼   ► Does Adobe have one?

00:55:52 ◼   ► Maybe they added that feature to their creative cloud apps, maybe.

00:55:59 ◼   ► And I think we wrote about it.

00:56:00 ◼   ► I think Jon wrote about it on Mac Stories.

00:56:05 ◼   ► But when you think of custom fonts, that doesn't solve the problem that most people like us

00:56:14 ◼   ► and the people who listen to Connected have, which is I have a font file and I want to

00:56:18 ◼   ► install my own custom font on my iPhone and iPad. That's not what these apps do. If you

00:56:25 ◼   ► want to do that, because those apps, like, they come with pre-installed fonts, and they

00:56:31 ◼   ► offer those fonts to the system. So that, for example, if you install an Adobe font,

00:56:36 ◼   ► you can use the same Adobe font in pages, right? Because the two apps are using the

00:56:40 ◼   ► same font picker API. Whereas what people want to do is, I just want to use a custom

00:56:45 ◼   ► font. Like, I want to manually install SF Mono, for example, which is not available via the system-wide

00:56:54 ◼   ► font picker. How do you do that? And if you want to do that, you still have to use the old system,

00:57:00 ◼   ► which is based on installing a custom profile on your device. And these days, the best way to do so,

00:57:07 ◼   ► in my opinion, is FontCase, which those who have been around long enough on Twitter may

00:57:15 ◼   ► remember FontCase as a different thing from back in the day. It was a desktop

00:57:20 ◼   ► third-party font utility that's not around anymore. Now, FontCase today is an

00:57:27 ◼   ► iPhone and iPad utility that lets you install fonts via the old profile-based

00:57:34 ◼   ► installation method by just picking font files from a file's picker. So what I do

00:57:41 ◼   ► is I keep my fonts in iCloud Drive,

00:57:44 ◼   ► and I use Fontcase to install a custom profile

00:57:47 ◼   ► to make those fonts available in all of the apps

00:57:50 ◼   ► that I wanna use on my iPhone and iPad.

00:57:52 ◼   ► But because profiles, they do not transfer over

00:57:57 ◼   ► when you set up a new iOS or iPadOS device,

00:58:01 ◼   ► that's what I was complaining about last week.

00:58:04 ◼   ► Profiles, they stay on the old device,

00:58:07 ◼   ► they do not move over, and that meant

00:58:10 ◼   ► that my custom fonts were not following me around

00:58:13 ◼   ► on the new device because the profiles,

00:58:17 ◼   ► the profile is basically a file that contains the font

00:58:20 ◼   ► and it gets installed in settings.

00:58:22 ◼   ► It doesn't get transferred over, which means no custom font.

00:58:25 ◼   ► So if you wanna have custom fonts on a new device,

00:58:28 ◼   ► you gotta start over and do the installation method

00:58:31 ◼   ► from scratch.

00:58:31 ◼   ► So yeah, you can have native font providers,

00:58:38 ◼   ► but they don't let you load custom font files that you may own,

00:58:43 ◼   ► because maybe you're the kind of person like me

00:58:46 ◼   ► who actually purchased a license for a specific font.

00:58:51 ◼   ► That was the dream, right?

00:58:52 ◼   ► When they announced that they were doing the font thing.

00:58:55 ◼   ► Like FontBook on the Mac, where you just double-click a font

00:59:00 ◼   ► and it installs quite easily.

00:59:02 ◼   ► Or that a third-party app would let you do what you wanted, right?

00:59:05 ◼   ► Like, it could hook into the API,

00:59:07 ◼   ► you load a font in there and it just appears.

00:59:09 ◼   ► You don't need to do this whole profile thing,

00:59:13 ◼   ► which is really annoying.

00:59:16 ◼   ► - And the thing that I'm trying to confirm now,

00:59:19 ◼   ► so they moved, right, where you can find the profiles

00:59:24 ◼   ► that you have installed in iOS.

00:59:27 ◼   ► It used to be in Settings General,

00:59:28 ◼   ► now I have no idea what it is anymore.

00:59:31 ◼   ► - Because there's like a device something something place.

00:59:34 ◼   ► Like it's like something on profiles or something like that?

00:59:38 ◼   ► - So the thing that I wanna confirm is--

00:59:40 ◼   ► - VPN and device management inside of general settings.

00:59:45 ◼   ► That's where profiles live. - General, VPN.

00:59:48 ◼   ► So yeah, what's unfortunate

00:59:50 ◼   ► about the old font installation method,

00:59:53 ◼   ► the one based on the profile, is that these fonts,

00:59:57 ◼   ► they do not show up in settings, general fonts.

01:00:02 ◼   ► That's the downside.

01:00:03 ◼   ► That fonts page that was added a couple of years ago,

01:00:07 ◼   ► that's only for the official, if you will,

01:00:11 ◼   ► font apps from the App Store.

01:00:14 ◼   ► But if you wanna do what we were talking about,

01:00:18 ◼   ► which is I wanna use my custom fonts,

01:00:20 ◼   ► you gotta use the profile method

01:00:22 ◼   ► and those fonts, they do not show up in settings,

01:00:25 ◼   ► which is a shame.

01:00:26 ◼   ► - I think the other thing people were hoping for too, right,

01:00:28 ◼   ► was just like a font foundry would create an app

01:00:31 ◼   ► and you could just buy a license,

01:00:32 ◼   ► but like it's just not their business model,

01:00:34 ◼   ► they don't care, right?

01:00:35 ◼   ► And I don't doubt that, like I don't blame them.

01:00:37 ◼   ► Why would they care?

01:00:37 ◼   ► - No, they don't wanna give Apple 30%

01:00:40 ◼   ► when people can just go on a web browser

01:00:42 ◼   ► buy those phones.

01:00:43 ◼   ► - And I'm sure this is what Apple hoped

01:00:44 ◼   ► people were gonna do too, right?

01:00:46 ◼   ► - Yeah, so it's not happening, so yeah.

01:00:50 ◼   ► - All right, here we go again.

01:00:52 ◼   ► - Four.

01:00:53 ◼   ► - Did that.

01:00:55 ◼   ► - Mm-hmm.

01:00:57 ◼   ► - Seven.

01:00:58 ◼   ► - Oh, geez.

01:00:58 ◼   ► Tables and craft.

01:01:00 ◼   ► So this is something we've been asking for for a long time,

01:01:04 ◼   ► the note-taking app craft to get tables.

01:01:08 ◼   ► It's a start.

01:01:10 ◼   ► I hope it's a start.

01:01:14 ◼   ► I hope that this isn't it.

01:01:15 ◼   ► I mean--

01:01:16 ◼   ► You say start with a very interesting tone, Myke.

01:01:20 ◼   ► Why is that?

01:01:21 ◼   ► Because I don't know if they think that it's it, right?

01:01:23 ◼   ► Like, they have referenced in, like, you know,

01:01:26 ◼   ► we want to see how you use them and hear

01:01:28 ◼   ► about how you use them.

01:01:30 ◼   ► So here's Myke Hurley telling you if anybody's listening.

01:01:33 ◼   ► So there are no sorting options in the tables.

01:01:36 ◼   ► So you can create a table inside of a note.

01:01:37 ◼   ► It's very easy to add one.

01:01:38 ◼   ► They've got all the features that you'd

01:01:40 ◼   ► want for creating one, right?

01:01:41 ◼   ► You can add and remove rows and columns really easily.

01:01:45 ◼   ► But there's no sorting options.

01:01:46 ◼   ► So you can create a column, but you can't

01:01:49 ◼   ► sort that column in any way.

01:01:51 ◼   ► There isn't an easy way to rearrange the rows.

01:01:55 ◼   ► So like you can't like click and drag or tap and drag a row.

01:02:00 ◼   ► It's, you know, Steven, I know you've gotten the notes

01:02:04 ◼   ► that you found a way to do it.

01:02:07 ◼   ► - Yeah, you've got to go into the little more menu

01:02:11 ◼   ► and then it's like move column left, move column right,

01:02:13 ◼   ► move row up, move row down.

01:02:15 ◼   ► And you should just be able to grab it

01:02:17 ◼   ► and it lift off and move it.

01:02:18 ◼   ► You know, move them around.

01:02:19 ◼   ► The way that iWork does it,

01:02:21 ◼   ► I think iWork is the app to copy here.

01:02:24 ◼   ► Yeah, I mean, even Google Sheets does it pretty okay,

01:02:27 ◼   ► to be honest.

01:02:28 ◼   ► And Apple Notes does it too.

01:02:31 ◼   ► But I don't know if this is possible to do on iOS at all.

01:02:37 ◼   ► Oh, okay, hold on.

01:02:38 ◼   ► If you double tap something,

01:02:39 ◼   ► I just saw edit rows and columns.

01:02:42 ◼   ► There we go.

01:02:43 ◼   ► All right, so you can long press on a cell

01:02:47 ◼   ► and it will bring up the menu to do that.

01:02:50 ◼   ► Anyway, not easy.

01:02:51 ◼   ► And moving one at a time is not great.

01:02:55 ◼   ► Large tables become scrollable.

01:02:57 ◼   ► It doesn't continue through the page.

01:03:02 ◼   ► So a craft document is an infinite page, right?

01:03:05 ◼   ► You can just keep adding stuff to it.

01:03:08 ◼   ► But when a table gets beyond a certain set of rows,

01:03:14 ◼   ► the box becomes fixed in height.

01:03:16 ◼   ► And then you have to scroll through the table.

01:03:18 ◼   ► I don't want that.

01:03:20 ◼   ► Do you understand what I'm saying?

01:03:22 ◼   ► So like, say it's 20 rows.

01:03:25 ◼   ► Once you get to like 21, 22, 23,

01:03:27 ◼   ► you have to scroll the table.

01:03:30 ◼   ► It doesn't just continue to grow down the page.

01:03:32 ◼   ► I don't know why they've fixed the height of a chart

01:03:37 ◼   ► or whatever you call it.

01:03:39 ◼   ► Does that, am I making sense?

01:03:40 ◼   ► - Yeah, okay.

01:03:41 ◼   ► - Right, so I have some large tables

01:03:43 ◼   ► and I wanna be able to see all of the information in them

01:03:46 ◼   ► just by scrolling through it.

01:03:47 ◼   ► Like it's just scrolling down the page.

01:03:49 ◼   ► It's arbitrary maybe, but I don't know why they've fixed it.

01:03:54 ◼   ► I've never used an app that does this.

01:03:57 ◼   ► Notion doesn't do it this way, Notes doesn't do it this way.

01:04:00 ◼   ► I don't know why there's the need to treat it

01:04:03 ◼   ► like it's this block which has a restrained height and width

01:04:06 ◼   ► and then it has to be scroll.

01:04:07 ◼   ► They're not scaling it in a way that I would want.

01:04:10 ◼   ► Overall, the whole thing feels pretty delicate.

01:04:14 ◼   ► It feels very 1.0-y.

01:04:16 ◼   ► So I hope that they do more,

01:04:19 ◼   ► like basically what I want is sorting options.

01:04:21 ◼   ► I don't want them to cap it

01:04:23 ◼   ► and I want better ways to move the data around

01:04:26 ◼   ► inside of the chart or the table, however you call it.

01:04:29 ◼   ► - Yeah, I don't use tables.

01:04:34 ◼   ► I use Kraft for collaborative documents.

01:04:39 ◼   ► I actually like the widget a lot

01:04:41 ◼   ► because you can install multiple widgets

01:04:43 ◼   ► and have different workspaces.

01:04:46 ◼   ► - Yeah, it's nice.

01:04:47 ◼   ► - Into widgets, so that's very cool.

01:04:49 ◼   ► But I don't, like what sort of data

01:04:51 ◼   ► do you keep in tables, Myke?

01:04:53 ◼   ► - Yeah, maybe it's easy if I explain it.

01:04:55 ◼   ► So also, well, one thing I forgot to mention,

01:04:56 ◼   ► it doesn't do any calculations of any kind.

01:04:58 ◼   ► It doesn't need to do that,

01:04:59 ◼   ► but I would have liked it if it could have.

01:05:00 ◼   ► So I'll give you the two things that I'm doing.

01:05:02 ◼   ► So one thing that I do is I have,

01:05:06 ◼   ► so sales data of the theme system journal,

01:05:09 ◼   ► I record the sales numbers every week, right?

01:05:12 ◼   ► So I go in every week and I add a new row,

01:05:14 ◼   ► and like, okay, this is a day,

01:05:15 ◼   ► we sold this many?" and then I'll say like "and how many is that over the previous week?"

01:05:19 ◼   ► and I just record that in there every week. I mean and now I have like a few, like a couple

01:05:25 ◼   ► of months of data so now I have to scroll it. Like I can't just see the whole thing,

01:05:29 ◼   ► I now have to scroll it. The other thing that I like, the main thing that I want to do is

01:05:34 ◼   ► to keep a list of all of the various keyboard parts that I've either bought or are on the

01:05:41 ◼   ► way to me. And with those, especially with stuff that I'm outstanding, I want to see

01:05:47 ◼   ► the whole list in one go. I don't want to have to scroll through this list within the

01:05:52 ◼   ► list. I just want to see it all there. And one of the things I like about Notion for

01:05:58 ◼   ► this is I can sort by expected arrival date of the product. So I see the bottom of it,

01:06:07 ◼   ► which is what I could do at the top if I wanted to,

01:06:09 ◼   ► the things that the dates of delivery

01:06:11 ◼   ► expect you to be sooner.

01:06:13 ◼   ► And so, 'cause you know, some, and the reason I do this

01:06:14 ◼   ► is because some of the stuff that I buy,

01:06:16 ◼   ► I'm probably not gonna see for like another 18 months,

01:06:19 ◼   ► 'cause they're products that need to be made.

01:06:20 ◼   ► It's like a pre-order kind of group,

01:06:22 ◼   ► like a kind of pseudo Kickstarter-y type thing,

01:06:24 ◼   ► the way a lot of this stuff is sold.

01:06:26 ◼   ► And so I like to be able to have all of that

01:06:28 ◼   ► in just like a little table that I can go through.

01:06:31 ◼   ► And like, yeah, I could put it in a spreadsheet,

01:06:33 ◼   ► but I didn't wanna put it in a spreadsheet,

01:06:35 ◼   ► and Notion does it fine for what I need.

01:06:37 ◼   ► And I'm probably gonna stick with Notion,

01:06:40 ◼   ► but keeping my eye on craft.

01:06:42 ◼   ► Like I'm gonna use,

01:06:43 ◼   ► then I'm gonna continue using this table

01:06:44 ◼   ► for like the tracking of the sales numbers

01:06:46 ◼   ► of the Cortex products,

01:06:48 ◼   ► 'cause I was putting it in a bulleted list before.

01:06:50 ◼   ► So now I'll just put it in a table.

01:06:53 ◼   ► But I think that they could do a lot better

01:06:56 ◼   ► to make the data more maneuverable and also more clear.

01:07:00 ◼   ► - Got it, okay.

01:07:01 ◼   ► - It feels very much like what it is,

01:07:04 ◼   ► which is shoehorned into whatever they were doing before.

01:07:06 ◼   ► - Yeah.

01:07:07 ◼   ► - Yeah.

01:07:07 ◼   ► - That's what it feels like, 'cause that's what's happened.

01:07:09 ◼   ► And I'm not criticizing it for it,

01:07:11 ◼   ► but I'm very confident that there's a bunch of things

01:07:13 ◼   ► that they could do.

01:07:15 ◼   ► Like even like sorting is like one

01:07:16 ◼   ► that really needs to exist, I think.

01:07:20 ◼   ► It kind of feels to me more that they looked at

01:07:22 ◼   ► the way that you do it in Apple Notes

01:07:24 ◼   ► than the way you do it in Notion.

01:07:26 ◼   ► And they were closer to replicating Apple Notes than Notion.

01:07:30 ◼   ► And I think that was the wrong place for them to look.

01:07:33 ◼   ► I agree with all that I'm all in on craft for my notes, and I'm excited to have tables

01:07:37 ◼   ► But they need to keep pushing it

01:07:39 ◼   ► Thanks

01:07:41 ◼   ► Apple watch pre-orders oh

01:07:43 ◼   ► man

01:07:44 ◼   ► Stephen this isn't good, but

01:07:46 ◼   ► Talk to James

01:07:52 ◼   ► Okay

01:07:53 ◼   ► Yep, going then Apple watch pre-orders have been announced for this Friday, which is October 8th

01:08:02 ◼   ► you can get up and

01:08:04 ◼   ► Order some Apple watches 5 a.m. Pacific just like the iPhones were a few weeks ago

01:08:10 ◼   ► They deliver a week later on Friday the 15th as of today

01:08:15 ◼   ► I just looked they're not in the Apple Store app or on the Apple Store itself. So you can't make a favorite

01:08:21 ◼   ► You can't have them pre-save for faster checkout

01:08:26 ◼   ► Maybe they're gonna do that, but maybe not maybe if they're really are constrained they want to slow people down and ordering them

01:08:31 ◼   ► I don't know my biggest issue right now is like it's not even very clear to see like what are all of the colors that

01:08:38 ◼   ► Are available like I can see all the aluminium, but like I can't see that. We'll stay in the still ones that I have

01:08:44 ◼   ► Do they have titanium ones like?

01:08:46 ◼   ► You know, I mean you can you can see that on the product page. Yeah, there's not a store page for all that

01:08:52 ◼   ► It's very strange, but they don't even really show on the product page

01:08:55 ◼   ► Like if you look on the product page, it doesn't clearly show you like these are all the things we have available

01:09:01 ◼   ► Because they have all the aluminium colours, but when you go down, you scroll down, you see like half of an image of some of the colours.

01:09:07 ◼   ► So, it's very compl- it's like, not very clear, but I don't know.

01:09:13 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:09:14 ◼   ► Are you two gonna order an Apple Watch?

01:09:16 ◼   ► I don't know.

01:09:18 ◼   ► Maybe.

01:09:19 ◼   ► Do you want one?

01:09:20 ◼   ► I think so.

01:09:22 ◼   ► I think we're gonna get a- I think Sylvia wants one for sure.

01:09:25 ◼   ► I haven't really looked into this. I think I'm gonna get the stainless steel one again.

01:09:30 ◼   ► Do you get this the regular stainless steel? Yeah. I don't know if they do the colors like black.

01:09:38 ◼   ► Yeah but I feel like this time I want to go to the Apple store and check it out in person.

01:09:44 ◼   ► Like I don't care about getting it day one. I think now that we can go again, we went to the

01:09:50 ◼   ► mall today and that was super nice. But now that we can go again I think I'm just gonna go check

01:09:56 ◼   ► it out for myself in real life and see if there's like any other color that I

01:10:01 ◼   ► like more. Mm-hmm. Steven? I'm gonna get Mary one for sure.

01:10:05 ◼   ► She's on a Series 5 on the small one so the battery life is not fantastic two

01:10:11 ◼   ► years in and she's I'm gonna do the starlight for her she has that on her

01:10:15 ◼   ► phone and really likes it and I showed her the other ones and she's like yeah

01:10:18 ◼   ► all these colors are bad. I was like yep, yes they are. So she'll get an aluminum starlight the

01:10:24 ◼   ► small one I'm still on the fence if I order I'll do the titanium again but I

01:10:29 ◼   ► haven't made up my mind yet I think I'm gonna go gold stainless steel but I want

01:10:34 ◼   ► to see at least on the website somewhere but yeah I don't know when I'm gonna

01:10:40 ◼   ► pick it up either but I'm interested in it I do think actually Federico this

01:10:44 ◼   ► finally means that we can settle the fact that I have won the bet which one

01:10:48 ◼   ► That you bet that I would buy a series six.

01:10:52 ◼   ► And what was the bet? I'm supposed to give you money?

01:10:54 ◼   ► I don't think there was anything. The bet was just you said I would do it and I said

01:10:58 ◼   ► I wouldn't do it. Interesting.

01:11:00 ◼   ► And the stakes I think are just I know me better than you know me.

01:11:04 ◼   ► Well, that was like, that's why I had this bet to, you know, to make you feel good about

01:11:11 ◼   ► the fact that you know yourself. Oh, come on. You can't always win everything,

01:11:16 ◼   ► know. I just did. So. Well, okay. You should thank me if anything. Thank you so much for

01:11:24 ◼   ► helping me truly understand myself and my own value. You're welcome.

01:11:28 ◼   ► Two. Follow up, follow up, tvOS. Okay, so tvOS, Logical Sky and the members Discord

01:11:36 ◼   ► said "I'm so upset that Myke's tvOS app review" and it's not an app, but it's not, you know,

01:11:42 ◼   ► correct yourself Logical Sky.

01:11:44 ◼   ► - Wow.

01:11:45 ◼   ► - TV OS review did not even mention the key feature

01:11:48 ◼   ► of TV OS that they fixed the Apple TV and AirPlay interface.

01:11:52 ◼   ► You can now see episode information,

01:11:54 ◼   ► easily scroll and simply click the screen.

01:11:57 ◼   ► So I had to look into all of this

01:11:59 ◼   ► because this didn't make complete sense to me.

01:12:01 ◼   ► So I did more research for everybody today.

01:12:04 ◼   ► They have cleaned up the default video viewer.

01:12:07 ◼   ► So if something uses the TV app

01:12:09 ◼   ► or did like the standard video viewer.

01:12:11 ◼   ► So there are now, when you go, like if you say you tap

01:12:14 ◼   ► the circle on the remote or the touch thing,

01:12:17 ◼   ► there are now buttons that exist.

01:12:20 ◼   ► So there's, you've got like the name of the show itself,

01:12:23 ◼   ► right, and like the scroll bar and stuff,

01:12:26 ◼   ► and then you have a subtitles button,

01:12:29 ◼   ► an audio options button, and a picture in picture button.

01:12:31 ◼   ► You can scroll over to those and click them.

01:12:33 ◼   ► You can go down to the play head,

01:12:35 ◼   ► or then you can also go down, it can swipe down

01:12:37 ◼   ► and get to like the information about the thing

01:12:39 ◼   ► that you're watching, you know, where it's like,

01:12:41 ◼   ► hey, here's the description of the episode,

01:12:44 ◼   ► that kind of thing.

01:12:45 ◼   ► I'm not sure why the quote audio options button

01:12:49 ◼   ► looks like a bar chart.

01:12:51 ◼   ► It's very interesting to me.

01:12:53 ◼   ► Like I don't know why that was what they chose.

01:12:54 ◼   ► - It's like a visualizer of three bars.

01:12:58 ◼   ► - But there's some stuff that's better.

01:13:00 ◼   ► So I have some better options for you.

01:13:02 ◼   ► So you can bring these controls on screen

01:13:05 ◼   ► by tapping the touch surface as we always have, right?

01:13:08 ◼   ► To bring up the controls.

01:13:09 ◼   ► or you can now just click the up button on the new remote.

01:13:14 ◼   ► So you don't have to tap anymore,

01:13:15 ◼   ► you just press up and these things will appear.

01:13:18 ◼   ► And if you wanna see the information about the show itself,

01:13:21 ◼   ► you just click on the down button.

01:13:23 ◼   ► You don't have to do the tapping and swiping anymore.

01:13:26 ◼   ► You could just, from there being nothing on screen,

01:13:29 ◼   ► click the down button

01:13:29 ◼   ► and you'll see the episode information,

01:13:31 ◼   ► get to chapters if it's got chapters in it,

01:13:33 ◼   ► that kind of stuff.

01:13:34 ◼   ► And because I obviously dropped the ball here,

01:13:36 ◼   ► I've written another haiku.

01:13:38 ◼   ► you can use buttons to control what is playing,

01:13:41 ◼   ► not just touchpad.

01:13:43 ◼   ► We can now close the book on the TV-RS review.

01:13:47 ◼   ► I will accept no more on the follow-up

01:13:50 ◼   ► and it is now complete.

01:13:52 ◼   ► - It's beautiful.

01:13:54 ◼   ► - All right, you ready to listen to me roll the dice

01:13:56 ◼   ► for a really long time?

01:13:57 ◼   ► - Yep, we need a 10, 11 or 12.

01:14:00 ◼   ► - Okay.

01:14:01 ◼   ► - Two, three.

01:14:03 ◼   ► - Four.

01:14:05 ◼   ► - Five.

01:14:06 ◼   ► (laughing)

01:14:08 ◼   ► - Nine,

01:14:09 ◼   ► 12.

01:14:11 ◼   ► - Hey.

01:14:12 ◼   ► - Hey, okay.

01:14:14 ◼   ► - This is much more dramatic for me

01:14:16 ◼   ► as the person who can see the dice.

01:14:18 ◼   ► - That's probably true.

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01:15:42 ◼   ► Let me give you my good luck. So after you roll this, it's going to be an 11. Okay? Go.

01:15:48 ◼   ► All right. Well, I already rolled a 12. So the next roll. The next one. Go. Wait, you

01:15:55 ◼   ► You want me to roll it now?

01:15:56 ◼   ► Oh, 'cause we already did 12, didn't we?

01:15:58 ◼   ► - Yeah, we did 12.

01:15:59 ◼   ► - Yeah.

01:16:00 ◼   ► This one.

01:16:01 ◼   ► - Three.

01:16:02 ◼   ► - I'm sorry.

01:16:03 ◼   ► I'm out of luck.

01:16:04 ◼   ► (laughing)

01:16:04 ◼   ► - Four.

01:16:06 ◼   ► - I'm sorry.

01:16:07 ◼   ► I tried.

01:16:08 ◼   ► - Five.

01:16:10 ◼   ► - This is all James Thompson's fault.

01:16:12 ◼   ► - This app is whack.

01:16:14 ◼   ► - Nine.

01:16:15 ◼   ► - It's James.

01:16:16 ◼   ► What?

01:16:17 ◼   ► This is not how numbers work.

01:16:19 ◼   ► - 11.

01:16:19 ◼   ► - 11.

01:16:20 ◼   ► - 11.

01:16:21 ◼   ► - Ah, okay.

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01:18:04 ◼   ► Relay FM. All right we're looking for a number 10 now. That's right.

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01:18:34 ◼   ► Eight.

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01:18:42 ◼   ► Eight.

01:18:44 ◼   ► Come on!

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01:18:49 ◼   ► From an app.

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01:18:53 ◼   ► Six.

01:18:55 ◼   ► This is terrible.

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01:19:00 ◼   ► Eleven.

01:19:00 ◼   ► Well, but I guess this is the interesting part is now everybody really wants to hear that ad.

01:19:05 ◼   ► Mm-hmm.

01:19:06 ◼   ► Right?

01:19:06 ◼   ► Because then it means that we can get out of this purgatory that we found ourselves in.

01:19:11 ◼   ► It's us against the computer and James Thompson.

01:19:13 ◼   ► So...

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01:19:14 ◼   ► 2.

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01:19:18 ◼   ► Oh!

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01:19:23 ◼   ► Oh god.

01:19:25 ◼   ► 9.

01:19:27 ◼   ► No!

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01:21:26 ◼   ► I think that does it. I think we're done.

01:21:29 ◼   ► Doesn't the episode just have to immediately end now because we didn't actually put a dice roll to the final segment?

01:21:36 ◼   ► Oh, that's true.

01:21:38 ◼   ► I guess not because we didn't put a dice roll to your intro of this thing either.

01:21:42 ◼   ► That was before this was introduced, you know.

01:21:45 ◼   ► Maybe we can roll the dice until the numbers three six six individually come

01:21:51 ◼   ► out which would be the episode number and that means we're done with episode

01:21:56 ◼   ► 366 but that's a terrible idea because I also gotta make dinner. I can just roll the

01:22:02 ◼   ► six sided dice. Five. No, no, no, stop, stop. Three. Six. Okay. Four. No. Seven.

01:22:14 ◼   ► Oh, I pressed the wrong button there.

01:22:18 ◼   ► One, one, two, six.

01:22:22 ◼   ► Wrap it up, we're done.

01:22:25 ◼   ► If you want to find links to the stuff we spoke about, they're in the show notes at

01:22:28 ◼   ► relay.fm/connected/366.

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01:22:42 ◼   ► and every week.

01:22:43 ◼   ► sure how I'm gonna do that this week. Does it even matter this week? I guess I'll figure it out.

01:22:46 ◼   ► Does it even matter?

01:22:48 ◼   ► [Laughter]

01:22:52 ◼   ► Oh man, it's actually probably worse because you have to just listen to the dice rolls and then nothing happens.

01:22:59 ◼   ► You've accidentally destroyed your business for the Japes, so Matt, respect to you, Steven.

01:23:04 ◼   ► Yeah, I hope you're happy with yourself, Steven. We're not gonna get paid for the ads and no one's gonna sign up for the ad-free version.

01:23:11 ◼   ► You did it for the Japes and we salute you, Steven. Well done.

01:23:17 ◼   ► Thank you. Thank you all. You can find us all online. Federico is on Twitter at Viti,

01:23:23 ◼   ► V-I-T-I-C-C-I, and he's the editor-in-chief of MaxStories.net. Federico, what's going on at MaxStories?

01:23:31 ◼   ► I'm working on shortcuts. I'm working on focus modes, and we are in the early...

01:23:38 ◼   ► Not so early, actually. I would say maybe mid-tier planning stages for the Max Stories Selects awards.

01:23:45 ◼   ► Those are coming up. Trophies, baby! Trophies, and those are coming up. And so we're now

01:23:53 ◼   ► going through all the apps and updates that have come out in 2021 so far, and

01:23:58 ◼   ► decisions will be made in the near future. So we'll see. It should be fun. Okay, that's awesome.

01:24:05 ◼   ► You can find Myke on Twitter as @imyke.

01:24:10 ◼   ► Myke's on a bunch of other shows here on Relay FM.

01:24:13 ◼   ► He does the Friday Keyboard Club over on Twitch.

01:24:15 ◼   ► Anything else, Myke?

01:24:17 ◼   ► Not for the next couple of weeks.

01:24:18 ◼   ► You can go to clotexmerch.com and buy yourself a journal or a notebook.

01:24:23 ◼   ► Wow.

01:24:25 ◼   ► We had to listen to you talk about calendars for like two months.

01:24:27 ◼   ► That's true.

01:24:28 ◼   ► Yeah, I mean you literally did a Kickstarter for calendars.

01:24:31 ◼   ► Yeah, it's true.

01:24:34 ◼   ► At least he's got an actual company. You're just making calendars in your office.

01:24:40 ◼   ► Your calendar's not a company, yeah. The Cal-Axe Co. You should call your calendar company Cal-Axe.

01:24:49 ◼   ► I bought a Cal-Axe today. Cal- like calendar.

01:24:52 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:24:53 ◼   ► Oh.

01:24:54 ◼   ► Axe.

01:24:55 ◼   ► Cal-Axe.

01:24:56 ◼   ► Well, you can find me online. I'm on Twitter as ismh. I write over at 512pixels.net.

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01:25:34 ◼   ► I absolutely adore that the ads are part of this.

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