Connected

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00:00:02 ◼   ► - Hello and welcome to Connected episode 385.

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00:00:19 ◼   ► My name is Steven Hackett and it is an Odd episode.

00:00:22 ◼   ► So as always on Odd episodes,

00:00:24 ◼   ► I'm gonna introduce Myke Hurley first.

00:00:25 ◼   ► - Hello.

00:00:27 ◼   ► - Hello.

00:00:28 ◼   ► - That's all I have to say.

00:00:29 ◼   ► I didn't prepare anything in advance today.

00:00:32 ◼   ► - No opening statement or greeting of any kind?

00:00:34 ◼   ► - Hi Federico.

00:00:36 ◼   ► Ooh, that's interesting.

00:00:38 ◼   ► - Hey.

00:00:39 ◼   ► - I didn't think about this.

00:00:40 ◼   ► I could assert you.

00:00:40 ◼   ► I could take my moment to assert you

00:00:42 ◼   ► and then introduce Federico.

00:00:44 ◼   ► - So instead of me introducing each of you,

00:00:46 ◼   ► it's like an introduction chain.

00:00:47 ◼   ► - Yeah, I actually think I prefer that, you know?

00:00:50 ◼   ► That feels more democratic.

00:00:51 ◼   ► - Democracy's overrated anyway.

00:00:54 ◼   ► - Although I guess nobody ever would introduce Steven.

00:00:58 ◼   ► That would be the problem.

00:00:59 ◼   ► There's no round robin.

00:01:00 ◼   ► No one introduces me now.

00:01:01 ◼   ► I mean, I would say it would be really intriguing in the way that this show works to round robin

00:01:08 ◼   ► introductions episode to episode.

00:01:10 ◼   ► We could never keep track of that.

00:01:12 ◼   ► Somebody could.

00:01:13 ◼   ► We could barely keep track of how it works now.

00:01:14 ◼   ► I feel like someone, a passionate one, could build a website that tells us who needs to

00:01:22 ◼   ► introduce who.

00:01:24 ◼   ► You know?

00:01:25 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:01:26 ◼   ► I'm just putting that out there.

00:01:28 ◼   ► Nobody introduced me, by the way. Like, officially.

00:01:30 ◼   ► I did!

00:01:31 ◼   ► No, Myke did!

00:01:32 ◼   ► Well, I did just say hi. Let me just... And please welcome to the show, he is the Italian

00:01:38 ◼   ► blogger Fueled by Coffee, the one that they call Federico Vittucci. Hi Federico.

00:01:42 ◼   ► Hello. Hello, that is me. That was also my opening statement. Hello, there.

00:01:47 ◼   ► This is me.

00:01:48 ◼   ► Yes.

00:01:49 ◼   ► It's a good one.

00:01:50 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:01:51 ◼   ► It's a good one.

00:01:52 ◼   ► Jason Snell has texted me, as he does during the show.

00:01:56 ◼   ► episode is introduced by a different member of the triple j. That's too much work. Don't

00:02:00 ◼   ► like that. No, too much work. Yeah. It's once again trying to use like, you know, usurp

00:02:06 ◼   ► us by being the first voices you hear. It's like they want listeners to imprint on them,

00:02:11 ◼   ► you know, you know, like with animals, like the first thing they see. And then you think

00:02:15 ◼   ► Jason's your daddy instead of Federico. Exactly. Exactly. What?

00:02:24 ◼   ► - Follow up, last time, Myke, I think you and I both

00:02:28 ◼   ► were sort of amused at Lutron's naming system scheme.

00:02:34 ◼   ► I don't know what it is.

00:02:37 ◼   ► So they have Caseta by Lutron,

00:02:39 ◼   ► which are their smart light stuff.

00:02:41 ◼   ► They have Serena, which is the company

00:02:43 ◼   ► that makes the smart shades.

00:02:45 ◼   ► - The problem I have is that everything is by Lutron.

00:02:47 ◼   ► And at that point, there's no point having the sub-brands

00:02:50 ◼   ► of every time you're gonna mention the main brand.

00:02:52 ◼   ► What's the name of the shade that you just mentioned? Serena?

00:02:57 ◼   ► Serena?

00:02:57 ◼   ► Like the Pokémon? Serena?

00:02:59 ◼   ► Like Williams? The tennis player?

00:03:01 ◼   ► Yeah, I was thinking of the tennis player.

00:03:03 ◼   ► Oh, Serena, not Serena. I thought it was Serena.

00:03:06 ◼   ► There's a Pokémon named Serena.

00:03:07 ◼   ► Every time you say this, it sounds the same.

00:03:09 ◼   ► I don't know if you're trying to pronounce them any differently.

00:03:12 ◼   ► It's T-S-A-R-E-E-N-A. Serena.

00:03:16 ◼   ► Oh, I hear it now. I hear it now.

00:03:19 ◼   ► I can't hear it, nor could I pronounce those differences.

00:03:22 ◼   ► - It's fine, don't worry about it.

00:03:23 ◼   ► - Anyways, listener Christian wrote in.

00:03:27 ◼   ► Christian is a lighting design engineer,

00:03:30 ◼   ► which is a pretty cool job, I think.

00:03:32 ◼   ► Get to make things lit just all the time, everywhere you go.

00:03:36 ◼   ► They wrote in saying this sub-brand thing

00:03:40 ◼   ► is really industry-wide because basically

00:03:43 ◼   ► all these manufacturers have tons and tons

00:03:46 ◼   ► of products and lines, and they try

00:03:48 ◼   ► to like stand out with product naming.

00:03:51 ◼   ► And so he sent us a link to RAB Lighting or Rab.

00:03:56 ◼   ► I think it's RAB 'cause it's all capitalized, RAB Lighting.

00:04:00 ◼   ► And they have some examples of some pretty funny names

00:04:04 ◼   ► like Gus and Gus Jr., Falcor.

00:04:08 ◼   ► I mean, go through this website.

00:04:09 ◼   ► There's some hilarious examples of lighting sub brands.

00:04:14 ◼   ► So apparently it's more common than we thought.

00:04:17 ◼   ► - Real time Pokemon follow up.

00:04:19 ◼   ► So, uh, listener Ryan in Discord sent a link to Pokemon number 763.

00:04:29 ◼   ► Now I would say, Zareena, like a Tsar.

00:04:32 ◼   ► Like I think that's what they're going for, right?

00:04:33 ◼   ► Interesting, Zaree. Oh, you said Zareen.

00:04:36 ◼   ► Zareena's got like a little tiara on the top, right?

00:04:39 ◼   ► Ah, you're probably right.

00:04:40 ◼   ► So it's like a Tsar.

00:04:42 ◼   ► And I mean, Ability's Queenly Majesty definitely sounds like a Tsar.

00:04:46 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:04:47 ◼   ► Zareena.

00:04:48 ◼   ► Oh, that actually makes more sense. I always wonder what that meant.

00:04:52 ◼   ► There's always puns. They love a pun.

00:04:54 ◼   ► It's a grass type.

00:04:56 ◼   ► Yeah. I hate the rename. Anyway.

00:05:00 ◼   ► That's a whole conversation we don't need to get into.

00:05:03 ◼   ► The feared Pokémon has long slender legs and a cool heart.

00:05:07 ◼   ► It shows no mercy as it stomps on its opponents.

00:05:11 ◼   ► Yep, sounds like a Tsar.

00:05:12 ◼   ► She doesn't.

00:05:14 ◼   ► Can I interest you in some competitive Pokemon play discussion?

00:05:18 ◼   ► I think I'm okay. Thank you.

00:05:21 ◼   ► I would like to hear it.

00:05:21 ◼   ► No, no. Well, Queenie Magis is kind of broken as an ability, but anyway, we can move on.

00:05:28 ◼   ► Are you going to be okay? Do you like really need to get it off your chest?

00:05:33 ◼   ► No, no, it's fine.

00:05:34 ◼   ► You're a follow-up type of Pokemon.

00:05:36 ◼   ► Yes, Steve.

00:05:41 ◼   ► That was funnier than you all had on.

00:05:43 ◼   ► I'm sitting here laughing, I don't know what you want from me.

00:05:46 ◼   ► Like how, what was that, ah ha ha ha, is that what you'd prefer?

00:05:49 ◼   ► Yes, thank you.

00:05:50 ◼   ► Okay, I'll work on that next time.

00:05:51 ◼   ► Thank you.

00:05:52 ◼   ► Okay, maybe I just start doing a laugh track on Connected.

00:05:55 ◼   ► Smart Shades, so this is related to follow up.

00:05:59 ◼   ► Josh wrote in that the company Eve, they make a bunch of different smart home stuff.

00:06:04 ◼   ► They have just released their smart home home kit enabled blinds motor.

00:06:12 ◼   ► So you can go to smartblinds.com.

00:06:15 ◼   ► There's a link in the show notes.

00:06:15 ◼   ► They have a couple of different models and examples.

00:06:19 ◼   ► This website looks pretty cool.

00:06:21 ◼   ► I think they've got some nice options.

00:06:23 ◼   ► It's a lot cheaper than what I put in,

00:06:25 ◼   ► but it's good to have some competition.

00:06:28 ◼   ► So hopefully more people can enjoy the beauty

00:06:31 ◼   ► that is having smart shades, because it's awesome.

00:06:34 ◼   ► It's really awesome.

00:06:35 ◼   ► Federico.

00:06:36 ◼   ► - Hello.

00:06:37 ◼   ► - I have a box here from you to me.

00:06:39 ◼   ► - What?

00:06:40 ◼   ► - Did you ship me something?

00:06:41 ◼   ► What?

00:06:42 ◼   ► Did you mail me something?

00:06:43 ◼   ► What is happening?

00:06:44 ◼   ► I have something here from Federico Vittucci and it has your address.

00:06:48 ◼   ► It's to me.

00:06:52 ◼   ► Me what?

00:06:52 ◼   ► And it has my address and this box looks like it got run over by a train.

00:06:57 ◼   ► It is completely smashed.

00:06:58 ◼   ► Has something been returned again?

00:07:00 ◼   ► Wait, what?

00:07:00 ◼   ► I don't know.

00:07:01 ◼   ► Let me open it.

00:07:01 ◼   ► Oh my God.

00:07:02 ◼   ► I saved it for the show.

00:07:03 ◼   ► Wait, what?

00:07:04 ◼   ► I'll do a little ASMR opening my knife.

00:07:06 ◼   ► I haven't shipped anything.

00:07:09 ◼   ► Is somebody proxying you?

00:07:11 ◼   ► through you? What is happening right now? It's like a reverse Big Apple Buddy. Oh my gosh.

00:07:18 ◼   ► What? Okay. What is on then man? Inside the crush box was a smaller second crush box.

00:07:24 ◼   ► Is someone pretending to be me and shipping things to my friends? It's full of white

00:07:33 ◼   ► powder and I'm just kidding holy cow what is it it is the original crochet

00:07:41 ◼   ► Ricky that I mailed you like a year ago no oh my god what does this keep

00:07:46 ◼   ► happening that happened in like 2020 I now have two of them Wow how I don't

00:07:54 ◼   ► know how well I got crushed I don't know and this the smaller interior crushed

00:08:01 ◼   ► box has like Mary's handwriting on it from the form she had to fill out and tape to the side of it

00:08:05 ◼   ► that that is mad that is incredible it's like getting a package from a lifetime ago almost

00:08:13 ◼   ► yeah i mean i'm gonna see if i can find a date on here um let's see oh what's that movie where um

00:08:21 ◼   ► oh god what's it called the lake house where uh the lady gets a letter from the future

00:08:29 ◼   ► and it's like there's two timelines in the movie and she receives letter from the other person

00:08:36 ◼   ► who lives in the same house but in the future. Somebody please help me. What's it called? It's

00:08:40 ◼   ► not called the lake house. The lake house is the 2006 American fantasy romance drama. Oh, so it's

00:08:47 ◼   ► called the lake house. Love blooms when Kate, a doctor, exchanges letters of Alex, an architect,

00:08:52 ◼   ► who is fed up with his life. Unknown to them, they lead lives two years apart. Yes, yes, that one,

00:08:57 ◼   ► that one who are the actors? Sandra Bullock and Keanu Reeves. Yes, yes that one that one.

00:09:04 ◼   ► Was this before or off to speed? I think it was off to 2006. Yeah. Yeah. Okay, I've uncovered

00:09:10 ◼   ► the date here. This was mailed in June of 2021. And here it is back in Memphis. So you're just

00:09:21 ◼   ► gonna have two now or are you gonna do something with that? I don't know. I feel like I should do

00:09:25 ◼   ► something with the second one. I feel like we're just amassing things to raffle off for

00:09:29 ◼   ► Saint Jude later in the year is what it sounds like to me. Yeah. Probably. Unbelievable.

00:09:33 ◼   ► I've put a link in the Discord so you can see pictures of them both. Mine is on the

00:09:36 ◼   ► right and this new quote unquote new one is on the left. It looks disheveled, you know,

00:09:42 ◼   ► it looks like he's seen some things. Looks tired. I don't want to share a picture of

00:09:47 ◼   ► this box because it has either my or Federico's address on every single side of it. It is

00:09:51 ◼   ► totally smashed. This Ricky came from a different timeline so of course it looks a bit tired.

00:09:57 ◼   ► It's a variant Ricky. Oh no. Federico Vitticchi and the Multiverse of Madness.

00:10:05 ◼   ► And we established a Ricky multiverse at this point. We have now. This is incredible. Wow.

00:10:15 ◼   ► The mutant Ricky. Pretty amazing. Will you put this picture in the show notes too?

00:10:21 ◼   ► So, so...

00:10:22 ◼   ► Yes, I will.

00:10:23 ◼   ► ...so everyone can see it?

00:10:24 ◼   ► So that's...

00:10:25 ◼   ► I thought you would mail me something, and it was like a surprise.

00:10:26 ◼   ► So much drama.

00:10:27 ◼   ► And it was a surprise.

00:10:28 ◼   ► So much drama.

00:10:29 ◼   ► It's not what I thought it would be.

00:10:30 ◼   ► It's a surprise to everyone, which is the best part.

00:10:32 ◼   ► I mean, I'm glad it's with one of us and not just wandering around the world lost.

00:10:36 ◼   ► I mean, it has for a while.

00:10:38 ◼   ► Here's a question for you both.

00:10:39 ◼   ► Here's a question for you both, okay?

00:10:41 ◼   ► Pay attention.

00:10:42 ◼   ► And don't question the idea behind my question.

00:10:46 ◼   ► Just accept it as it is and provide an answer, please.

00:10:49 ◼   ► You meet yourself from a different timeline from five years ago. You have one question

00:10:57 ◼   ► that you can actually know. You can tell them one thing and one thing only. What would you

00:11:04 ◼   ► tell them? So yourself from a different timeline from five years ago, you see them and you

00:11:09 ◼   ► can say one thing. What is the one thing? So they're from 2017 for context. And the

00:11:19 ◼   ► The timeline is the same at this point, but what you say may or may not alter the course

00:11:25 ◼   ► of the timeline.

00:11:26 ◼   ► Invest in Pfizer.

00:11:28 ◼   ► Oh god, oh my, that is so good.

00:11:38 ◼   ► Okay, oh wow.

00:11:41 ◼   ► Put your stock...

00:11:42 ◼   ► Oh, I think Steven's gone.

00:11:46 ◼   ► Oh no.

00:11:47 ◼   ► I just got a thing that said "You are the host now."

00:11:50 ◼   ► Well, this timeline thing went a bit too far in a way that I did not expect.

00:11:54 ◼   ► I think we've got a power issue with Steven.

00:11:58 ◼   ► He hasn't said anything. I guess we'll just wait for a minute.

00:12:02 ◼   ► Oh, please stand by.

00:12:04 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:12:06 ◼   ► Well, we are witnessing Tennessee weather as we speak.

00:12:14 ◼   ► Isn't it weird though that Steven was just gone as soon as I asked about the timeline thing?

00:12:19 ◼   ► Yeah, that is weird.

00:12:20 ◼   ► He just... he blipped.

00:12:22 ◼   ► [Laughter]

00:12:25 ◼   ► Disappeared from the current timeline.

00:12:27 ◼   ► You sound stiff.

00:12:29 ◼   ► Well, uh...

00:12:32 ◼   ► You asked the infinity question.

00:12:34 ◼   ► I mean, I literally asked about the timeline, and he said the power just blinked.

00:12:40 ◼   ► I got a bail on this one.

00:12:41 ◼   ► I don't know, was Stephen from a different timeline?

00:12:44 ◼   ► You know what, I figured we should just embrace this chaos and maybe I'll just do the first ad

00:12:49 ◼   ► and then like, maybe Stephen will come back, you know?

00:12:52 ◼   ► This is the show now.

00:12:53 ◼   ► I will not ask his questions again because look at what I did.

00:12:57 ◼   ► You think about it, I want to know what your answer is, you think about it.

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00:14:50 ◼   ► our thanks to indeed for the support of this show and all of relay fm so what's your answer well i

00:14:56 ◼   ► - I think--

00:14:57 ◼   ► - Federico Vitichio, five years ago,

00:14:59 ◼   ► you get to skip one message to him, what is it?

00:15:01 ◼   ► - Okay, well, I thought of the COVID strategy,

00:15:07 ◼   ► but like that, I don't wanna copy your approach.

00:15:10 ◼   ► So I'm just gonna tell the me

00:15:14 ◼   ► from the different timeline stuck in 2017,

00:15:17 ◼   ► hire a new web developer sooner.

00:15:20 ◼   ► - Oh, that's a good one.

00:15:21 ◼   ► That's like a good life lesson for you right now.

00:15:23 ◼   ► So you can get started on all the things you want to do with a couple years before.

00:15:29 ◼   ► Way earlier, you know?

00:15:31 ◼   ► That feels like good advice.

00:15:33 ◼   ► I don't know, I just think it's a fascinating question.

00:15:36 ◼   ► And I also, like I said, I watched too much Matrix these past few days.

00:15:41 ◼   ► So my brain is also thinking about these sort of metaphysical things at the moment.

00:15:45 ◼   ► I'm not surprised.

00:15:47 ◼   ► Let's talk about Apple Music.

00:15:49 ◼   ► Apple Music, okay.

00:15:50 ◼   ► So I don't know if you know, but the new year has just begun.

00:15:53 ◼   ► Wait, what?

00:15:54 ◼   ► And that's why, that's why, I mean, maybe, maybe what Apple are not telling us is they

00:16:01 ◼   ► can, you know, Spotify, they're like, they go about the calendar year, you know, like

00:16:05 ◼   ► the Roman calendar year for their replays for their, like, what is it unwrapped and

00:16:10 ◼   ► Apple they're observing the lunar new year, which is why they put out replay 2022 in February.

00:16:17 ◼   ► Right.

00:16:18 ◼   ► If you think about it.

00:16:19 ◼   ► Correct. That's a good theory. I think so, yeah.

00:16:23 ◼   ► Can't think of any other reason why they would have their Replay 2022 playlist arrive mid-February.

00:16:29 ◼   ► So, maybe there's a bunch of boring answers. One, they forgot to do it earlier, which could be an explanation.

00:16:37 ◼   ► Or maybe they just wait, I don't know, five weeks or so to collect data from your listening habits in the first five weeks of the year.

00:16:46 ◼   ► and then they give you the first take on the replay playlist.

00:16:51 ◼   ► They do this, like this is not the first time

00:16:55 ◼   ► they've done this, to give you access to the replay playlist

00:16:59 ◼   ► and updated website early in the year.

00:17:03 ◼   ► I believe from now on, it is going to update every Sunday,

00:17:08 ◼   ► I think, they're gonna update it every week.

00:17:10 ◼   ► So you can check on your replay playlist

00:17:14 ◼   ► as you go throughout 2022.

00:17:16 ◼   ► But that's the thing about Apple Music and their approach.

00:17:18 ◼   ► I guess that's the thing, right? It confuses me.

00:17:21 ◼   ► It's not the 2021 thing, right? It's 2022.

00:17:24 ◼   ► But still, it's just like, I don't know why I need to replay the year while I'm in it.

00:17:29 ◼   ► Exactly. Exactly.

00:17:31 ◼   ► The really clever part of the Spotify approach, I think, is they made it an event.

00:17:37 ◼   ► Like, you know that toward the end of the year, you're going to get a recap.

00:17:42 ◼   ► That is why, at the end of the year, lists of "best of" the year are popular for anything,

00:17:50 ◼   ► like best movies, best video games, best books. Because at the end of the year,

00:17:53 ◼   ► you want to remember what just happened in the past 12 months in my industry.

00:17:59 ◼   ► It's useful to have that kind of recap, and Spotify capitalized on that by offering you

00:18:04 ◼   ► these multiple data points that you're like, "Oh, yeah, they're visually nice to look at,

00:18:10 ◼   ► and they are shareable on social media. It's clever.

00:18:12 ◼   ► And it's part of the culture at this point, right?

00:18:16 ◼   ► Everybody talks about it, and you don't want to feel left out,

00:18:20 ◼   ► and so you also share yours.

00:18:21 ◼   ► And it's like this FOMO approach that everybody talks about it,

00:18:25 ◼   ► and it's popular because it's popular, right?

00:18:28 ◼   ► Apple doesn't do it.

00:18:29 ◼   ► It's like, what if you got access earlier in the year?

00:18:32 ◼   ► What if the entire year you could replay the year?

00:18:35 ◼   ► And as you mentioned, it doesn't really make sense,

00:18:37 ◼   ► because as I'm living the year,

00:18:39 ◼   ► I know what I'm listening to. It's like, sure, I can get almost real-time stats about my

00:18:48 ◼   ► annual listening habits. That's not exciting. You know, it's data-driven and it's kind of

00:18:53 ◼   ► boring and it doesn't have any of the pop culture aspect of the Spotify wrapped thing.

00:19:00 ◼   ► Yeah, just the statistics, like, telling me what I'm listening to, it's basically just

00:19:06 ◼   ► a smart playlist. It used to be able to do this in iTunes, right? Like, what is my most

00:19:11 ◼   ► listened to songs of any time period? It's like, it's, they're just, it's, they're just

00:19:15 ◼   ► not doing it right. Like, honestly, I feel like if I was Apple Music, realistically,

00:19:21 ◼   ► I don't know if it's worth even trying to match Spotify here. So like there is kind,

00:19:27 ◼   ► I kind of understand why there might be a thinking of like, we're just not even going

00:19:32 ◼   ► to try. Like Spotify Unwrapped is so good now that maybe there is people that switch

00:19:40 ◼   ► to from Apple Music Spotify for it, like maybe, but I feel like any attempt to try and match

00:19:47 ◼   ► what they're doing, I don't know if it's gonna land. What do you think about that?

00:19:52 ◼   ► I don't know, I feel like they could probably do something that is more, like they could

00:19:55 ◼   ► pitch it as, you know, it's not a, it respects your privacy, but we can still learn stuff

00:20:02 ◼   ► from you in a way that is not creepy. They could do some interesting things with Siri,

00:20:08 ◼   ► and because of the integrations they have with music and your iPhone or iPad, I don't

00:20:12 ◼   ► know, they could do something fun like get a wallpaper made out of your top music, I

00:20:19 ◼   ► don't know, something like that. Like, they could use some of those integrations in a

00:20:23 ◼   ► a fun way I think but they don't. Hello. Steven's back. Hello. So we mentioned this in the pro

00:20:32 ◼   ► show but there's weather occurrences in Memphis right now and that was why Steven's power

00:20:40 ◼   ► exploded but he's back now. Is everything okay? We'll see if the internet holds up.

00:20:46 ◼   ► The power only blinked but Comcast is very angry. What version of Steven are you? Yeah,

00:20:52 ◼   ► is the issue. We started talking about variants and multiverses and then you just disappeared.

00:20:59 ◼   ► So it's all very suspect. We never got your answer to the question of you go back in five

00:21:05 ◼   ► years, tell yourself something. What is it?

00:21:09 ◼   ► Install a whole home generator.

00:21:14 ◼   ► That would work. That would work. That feels like that would be a quite intensive piece

00:21:19 ◼   ► of equipment, a whole home generator.

00:21:21 ◼   ► Yeah, well I have a project and to do is just all about it. Oh, do you?

00:21:27 ◼   ► How do you power something like that?

00:21:30 ◼   ► natural gas oh

00:21:32 ◼   ► So it's not it's not your kids running on a bicycle. No gender. Okay, that's natural human power

00:21:38 ◼   ► What is where does the natural gas come from? I have a gas line because my hot water and

00:21:43 ◼   ► Furnace and stove are all gas. Oh, it's like that kind of gas

00:21:47 ◼   ► But what if you what if the gas is also cut out? I think at that point

00:21:53 ◼   ► You should kind of I mean don't it really do that as like a break somewhere in the line. Okay, so it doesn't require power

00:21:59 ◼   ► How long would it run for is it just like it just runs

00:22:03 ◼   ► Indefinitely so you could get off the grid and except for you know my whole career. Don't worry about it

00:22:09 ◼   ► You're off the grid man, so while we're talking about Apple music we spoke about replay

00:22:14 ◼   ► There was a thing I saw on nine to five Mac from nine to five Google

00:22:18 ◼   ► Sometimes I feel like the post just appearing. I don't know how it works

00:22:21 ◼   ► I don't know how the system works is intriguing about the widgets in the Apple music Android app. Yeah

00:22:28 ◼   ► Yeah, they're vastly better than the widgets. Yeah

00:22:33 ◼   ► For a couple of reasons one they've always had this

00:22:38 ◼   ► Controls so they actually have like actual controls so you can skip tracks and play and pause tracks

00:22:45 ◼   ► Because Android just has interactive widgets, but also recently the design changed quite a bit

00:22:51 ◼   ► So previously the widgets on Android had that like hot pink design that Apple music does

00:22:58 ◼   ► but they recently changed to be more like

00:23:03 ◼   ► They kind of take cues from the artwork of the song that's playing

00:23:09 ◼   ► But I don't really know how to describe it

00:23:12 ◼   ► It's like gradient like I guess really or at least they take like a color like a dominant color and change the color of the widget

00:23:19 ◼   ► iTunes used to do this. Do you remember that? There was a version of iTunes that an album view

00:23:25 ◼   ► the little window that would open up like

00:23:28 ◼   ► I just like split in the middle and reveal an album like folders used to do on iOS and

00:23:33 ◼   ► The background of that section would be colored in a very similar way

00:23:37 ◼   ► It would pick a couple of colors from the album artwork and make a gradient. Sometimes it looks really cool

00:23:41 ◼   ► Sometimes they look really bad. This seems very reminiscent

00:23:45 ◼   ► I think also like the music app on iOS used to do this for a time. They would kind of change

00:23:52 ◼   ► So that was just like a fun thought right like that. It's intriguing

00:23:56 ◼   ► Maybe it seems that the Android developers have kind of got a little bit of free rein.

00:24:01 ◼   ► I can't imagine that they're like taking a jump on iOS 16, right?

00:24:05 ◼   ► It's like, "Oh, this is what the music app is going to be like." That's funny.

00:24:09 ◼   ► Also, Apple Classical was referenced in the most recent version of Apple Music,

00:24:17 ◼   ► which I guess is going to be the name of the upcoming music app.

00:24:19 ◼   ► I mean, that makes sense, right?

00:24:21 ◼   ► They're going to just call it that.

00:24:23 ◼   ► Yeah, so, you know, it's Apple Classical.

00:24:26 ◼   ► They could have gone with Apple Music Classical, but that's one too many words, probably.

00:24:31 ◼   ► So yeah, this is the result of the Primephonic acquisition from a few months ago.

00:24:38 ◼   ► It's going to be a separate app, and we discussed this, like, I think, we believe they are going

00:24:44 ◼   ► to do a bunch of integrations in terms of like.

00:24:48 ◼   ► It's not just going to be for listening to classical music, but you will be able to dive

00:24:52 ◼   ► Deep and maybe check out interviews, podcasts, episodes. That was part of the appeal of Prime

00:24:56 ◼   ► Phonic, having this rich catalogue about conductors and performers and multiple versions of the same

00:25:05 ◼   ► concert, I guess would be the name for these performances. And Prime Phonic was very cool

00:25:11 ◼   ► because it allowed you to listen, read, check out interviews within the Prime Phonic app,

00:25:18 ◼   ► And knowing Apple and how much they like to cross-integrate these things wouldn't surprise

00:25:23 ◼   ► me if Apple Classical has a strong listening component, obviously, but also a new approach

00:25:30 ◼   ► to metadata and exploration for all these additional layers of information that fans

00:25:37 ◼   ► of classical music want to know and want to browse and search for.

00:25:42 ◼   ► So my hope, though, is that the work they are doing for Apple Classical, in terms of

00:25:48 ◼   ► searching metadata and exploring based on those additional criteria, my hope is that

00:25:55 ◼   ► that technology will also make it to Apple Music, right?

00:26:00 ◼   ► Because right now, if you want to gather information out of Apple Music, you can, but you've got

00:26:03 ◼   ► to use third-party apps for it.

00:26:06 ◼   ► Something like MusicSmart, for example, which is an iOS app that integrates with Apple Music

00:26:10 ◼   ► and gives you metadata details for performers, mixing engineers, mastering engineers, all

00:26:17 ◼   ► kinds of information that is hidden by default. So my hope is that if Apple is doing the work

00:26:23 ◼   ► for Apple Classical, then that technology is also used for regular people's Apple music.

00:26:30 ◼   ► I do feel like a little bit that this... It has a ring to me of like, this is someone's

00:26:36 ◼   ► pet project at Apple. Like somebody cares a lot about classical music and wants this

00:26:43 ◼   ► to exist. Because it is odd, it feels odd to me. Unless there's like some really big

00:26:49 ◼   ► incentive from an additional payment model, like it costs more. But still it seems like

00:26:55 ◼   ► a lot of work. Maybe I'm just not, like I know I'm not the target market, but maybe

00:27:01 ◼   ► Maybe I just don't understand the market size for a service like this.

00:27:08 ◼   ► This is all music you could listen to in Apple Music.

00:27:11 ◼   ► You just don't get as much information about it, I guess.

00:27:15 ◼   ► It was kind of terrible to browse classical music in Apple Music before.

00:27:20 ◼   ► I'm gonna try and find some articles about this.

00:27:24 ◼   ► But yeah, it was a pretty terrible experience and it was all messy.

00:27:27 ◼   ► were mixing up like multiple performances from the same conductor, for example, from

00:27:32 ◼   ► the same orchestra, and it was all very scattered and disorganized. And classical music has

00:27:36 ◼   ► some unique requirements, I guess, when it comes to listening to a specific version of

00:27:43 ◼   ► a specific piece, right? Because of like, what if the same piece is played by different

00:27:49 ◼   ► conductor, by different symphonic orchestra, for example, right? There's all that complexity.

00:27:56 ◼   ► And I think that's what Primephonic was trying to achieve, like allowing you to search by

00:28:01 ◼   ► different criteria, searching not just by music but also by people, which is not something

00:28:07 ◼   ► that Apple Music has ever really supported.

00:28:09 ◼   ► So I mean, besides, you know, the artist, but in the case of classical music, the artist

00:28:14 ◼   ► is like Beethoven, right?

00:28:17 ◼   ► But like, you don't, you shouldn't be able to just search for that or for Bach or for

00:28:22 ◼   ► Mozart.

00:28:23 ◼   ► you should be able to also search by a specific orchestra or a specific performance or a specific

00:28:28 ◼   ► conductor and that's the complexity that was involved.

00:28:33 ◼   ► There was also an interview in Billboard with Oliver Schusser, who's Apple's VP of Music

00:28:40 ◼   ► and Beats. There was just a few things that I wanted to reference from this article, it

00:28:46 ◼   ► was intriguing. Schusser noted that more than half of Apple's customers are using spatial

00:28:51 ◼   ► audio. This is one of those things where like I wonder if people know like do they even know?

00:28:56 ◼   ► I mean isn't it on by default? Yes.

00:29:00 ◼   ► So what's even more interesting is that kind of half of users have turned it off.

00:29:07 ◼   ► Not necessarily, not necessarily because not necessarily everyone is listening to music

00:29:15 ◼   ► that has been put into spatial audio?

00:29:18 ◼   ► Eh, sure, okay.

00:29:20 ◼   ► You know, they know, their catalogue is only thousands of songs in spatial audio.

00:29:27 ◼   ► Yes, of course there will be a portion of people who have turned it off, but I can imagine

00:29:32 ◼   ► there are a lot of users who just never encounter it.

00:29:35 ◼   ► But, to your point though, I wonder if there are even people that know.

00:29:42 ◼   ► As Kate has mentioned in the discord, you have to have a product that can do it and you don't necessarily do, right?

00:29:49 ◼   ► Like if you have not all, I don't think, do regular AirPods, like they don't do it, right?

00:29:54 ◼   ► Only AirPods 3, is that right? I don't remember anymore.

00:29:58 ◼   ► I don't, it's confusing.

00:30:01 ◼   ► Whatever it is, but like if you use any kind of Bluetooth headphones or wired headphones doesn't mean you're going to be able to do the special audio stuff.

00:30:06 ◼   ► So yeah, AirPods 2 do not sesqate from this point.

00:30:09 ◼   ► Like I wonder like how many people even know what do they think what what is

00:30:16 ◼   ► their experience I don't know like I could imagine a lot of people maybe have

00:30:19 ◼   ► this and just don't really notice or just be like oh that sounds nice or that

00:30:23 ◼   ► sounds not nice you know what I mean like I don't know what the average

00:30:27 ◼   ► person on the streets experience is with spatial audio.

00:30:31 ◼   ► Yeah I guess from this interview they're trying to make it sound like all these

00:30:36 ◼   ► people are doing so intentionally. Like, oh, they're all that they love spatial

00:30:41 ◼   ► audio, but do they even know that it exists? That it's a thing? I don't know.

00:30:46 ◼   ► It's on by default and there's a very good chance that sure they are using

00:30:50 ◼   ► spatial audio, so the statement is technically correct. They are using

00:30:54 ◼   ► spatial audio, but like we know what you meant in the interview with this and

00:30:59 ◼   ► it's the reality is a bit more complicated than that. So, PR man. I wanted

00:31:04 ◼   ► to read a few quotes about that Shusa was giving in relation to lossless and spatial

00:31:10 ◼   ► audio and how they kind of do and don't go together. Everyone in the industry was really

00:31:15 ◼   ► focused on lossless but the challenge is it doesn't play on any headphone in the world

00:31:19 ◼   ► over bluetooth or any wireless connection and that is by a country mile the number one

00:31:24 ◼   ► way people consume music these days. Shusa says most people can't tell the difference

00:31:29 ◼   ► when lossless music is played and noted that while it's an important feature to a select

00:31:33 ◼   ► niche it isn't a mass market product. We went out and said, this is back to Shusu, we went

00:31:39 ◼   ► out and said we would like to have a feature for the mass market that works on pretty much

00:31:43 ◼   ► every device and where people notice a difference, that's spatial audio. We listened, and then

00:31:49 ◼   ► also this is maybe a change, we listen to every song that comes in spatial audio to

00:31:54 ◼   ► us and we try to engage with people who make the cut during the process to make sure that

00:31:58 ◼   ► it's good. And also now more clarification before we get the follow-up

00:32:04 ◼   ► AirPods, all AirPods have spatial audio they don't just all have head tracking

00:32:08 ◼   ► so that the movement part of it but they can give you the Dolby Atmos part just

00:32:12 ◼   ► not the head tracking part. So any thoughts on the lossless spatial thing?

00:32:17 ◼   ► Federico I would like to know what you think. If I have any thoughts on this?

00:32:22 ◼   ► Yeah, but not you personally, but to what he is saying.

00:32:27 ◼   ► Like, you know what I mean?

00:32:30 ◼   ► I am glad that they said they listen to every sound that comes in with the spatial audio

00:32:34 ◼   ► mix.

00:32:35 ◼   ► I think that's exactly what they need to do to make sure that what happened at launch

00:32:41 ◼   ► does not happen again, in terms of like getting this batch of initial albums that were very

00:32:47 ◼   ► badly mixed in spatial audio.

00:32:50 ◼   ► So it's good that they are participating in the process, I guess. That's good to hear.

00:32:53 ◼   ► I don't think I've heard of any other horrific instance of the spatial audio mix going very,

00:33:00 ◼   ► very wrong, so it's good that the process is getting smoother. I still feel like it's

00:33:09 ◼   ► true that people cannot hear... It's absolutely true that people cannot hear the difference

00:33:15 ◼   ► between lossless and the default Apple Music quality. If you're just wearing AirPods or

00:33:19 ◼   ► using AirPods Max, but for me personally, so this is where my personal opinion comes

00:33:26 ◼   ► in, it's more about, and I know I'm gonna sound like one of those people, I take responsibility

00:33:32 ◼   ► for what I'm about to say, I am embracing my true self here, it's about the purity of

00:33:38 ◼   ► the source. Look, I literally just told you I'm sorry.

00:33:43 ◼   ► I know, but I can still react to it, I'm still allowed to react, right?

00:33:47 ◼   ► Okay, it's the fact that I'm listening to a flavor of the song and not the, if you'll

00:33:58 ◼   ► allow me, the one true song, right?

00:34:01 ◼   ► It's that that bothers me.

00:34:04 ◼   ► Like this idea of like you're listening to a mix of it.

00:34:09 ◼   ► I don't know.

00:34:10 ◼   ► It just…

00:34:11 ◼   ► I guess my question to you then is like, how does that differ to MP3?

00:34:15 ◼   ► Do you feel the same way about MP3?

00:34:18 ◼   ► - Well, there's a difference between an encoding technique

00:34:21 ◼   ► and the spatial audio mixing, right?

00:34:24 ◼   ► Especially when it comes like, okay,

00:34:26 ◼   ► you take this recording, you take this master recording

00:34:29 ◼   ► that digitally speaking can be represented as a FLAC file

00:34:33 ◼   ► and then you encode it down to whatever formats

00:34:37 ◼   ► Apple likes to use, whether it's MP4, MP3, whatever.

00:34:43 ◼   ► And that's a separate thing. Like, you take the original digital file and you make it lossy.

00:34:50 ◼   ► But the way that the instruments, right, and the vocals...

00:34:55 ◼   ► And I'm simplifying this for the... But this is a podcast for people, not for audio files.

00:35:01 ◼   ► But the way that it sounds, the way that the sounds are placed around you, if you will, it's that, right?

00:35:09 ◼   ► And then you can hear more or fewer details, but that's the song.

00:35:13 ◼   ► The Spatial Audio Mix is what if we took the original song, but we changed, we fundamentally changed

00:35:23 ◼   ► what you hear and where you hear it and how you hear it.

00:35:27 ◼   ► And that's what I have a problem with.

00:35:30 ◼   ► It's like, imagine if you got a book from a popular series.

00:35:34 ◼   ► Like, imagine if you got a Lord of the Rings book.

00:35:37 ◼   ► And you get the, I don't know, you get the 2012 Fan Edition, where some of the chapters are,

00:35:47 ◼   ► you know, in a different order, because it makes more sense. It's like people watching, and I'm not

00:35:52 ◼   ► speaking this from personal experience, but I know that people do this, like, when they tell you,

00:35:57 ◼   ► "Watch the Star Wars movie in this order," and some of these, like, particular orders

00:36:03 ◼   ► even have nicknames like "oh watch the movies in the mic order" or something.

00:36:08 ◼   ► No there is, I can't remember what that phrase is but there is a phrase to it.

00:36:11 ◼   ► But it's even more than that, like you're taking the original song and you're making it sound

00:36:17 ◼   ► different. Machete order, that's it. So here's my counter challenge to you, if you don't mind.

00:36:24 ◼   ► If you think about it, right, if what they're trying to achieve is as if you're standing in

00:36:31 ◼   ► in the room with the music being played,

00:36:34 ◼   ► isn't Atmos closer to the original way it's recorded?

00:36:39 ◼   ► Because like, if you imagine that everyone's in a room

00:36:42 ◼   ► and they're all playing the instruments,

00:36:43 ◼   ► which I know isn't always how it works,

00:36:44 ◼   ► but let's just imagine for the sake of this argument

00:36:46 ◼   ► that it is, you then take all of that

00:36:48 ◼   ► and you flatten it down, right?

00:36:50 ◼   ► To put it into the audio file.

00:36:53 ◼   ► Where like, at least for spatial audio,

00:36:54 ◼   ► it's like, oh, well, the guitar's over there

00:36:57 ◼   ► and the singer's over there.

00:36:58 ◼   ► You know what I'm saying?

00:36:59 ◼   ► I'm being facetious, but... Right? Do you get my point?

00:37:02 ◼   ► I do, yeah.

00:37:03 ◼   ► I know you don't agree with it, but...

00:37:05 ◼   ► I do not.

00:37:06 ◼   ► I don't know. Maybe it's just a matter of, like, what it used to be and what it could

00:37:12 ◼   ► be now. Like, these two opposites, like, it's always been that the artists go into the studio

00:37:19 ◼   ► and they make the master recording and then you listen to that in whichever format you

00:37:23 ◼   ► prefer. Maybe... and that was the default, right? That has always been the baseline.

00:37:28 ◼   ► Maybe from now on, maybe in the future, maybe five years from now, I don't know,

00:37:34 ◼   ► maybe the default will be spatial audio, it's what the artists make, right? That's the new default.

00:37:41 ◼   ► And so my problem is that I've grown up a certain way, I've always listened to music a certain way,

00:37:47 ◼   ► and now having this spatial audio, it makes me uncomfortable, like all new things do. And I think

00:37:53 ◼   ► I'm less willing to accept it because a part of me feels that it's a gimmick.

00:38:01 ◼   ► But I will say this, I am very aware of, like, I don't want to become the person that rejects

00:38:13 ◼   ► new stuff because it makes him uncomfortable, because that's, you know, one step toward

00:38:18 ◼   ► irrelevancy for any industry for any hobby, right? Like, "Oh no, back in my day we used to play

00:38:24 ◼   ► 2D Super Mario games. I reject 3D Super Mario video games." And I don't want to become that

00:38:31 ◼   ► person, but I should also be honest and say I'm struggling to accept it, right?

00:38:36 ◼   ► It's like how you won't accept the metaverse, you know?

00:38:38 ◼   ► No, that's just...

00:38:39 ◼   ► Web3 and like NFTs, you know?

00:38:42 ◼   ► The reality is, like, most of this isn't new. I found this article, we'll put in the show notes,

00:38:47 ◼   ► from 2012 about the "Mastered for iTunes" section, and this is how Apple described

00:38:54 ◼   ► it in this screenshot of the iTunes store from 10 years ago. "Experience music as

00:39:00 ◼   ► the artist and sound engineer intended." I mean, Apple's done this for a long time,

00:39:06 ◼   ► others have done it for a long time. Unless you're in the room when the dude's

00:39:10 ◼   ► recording it, I'm not sure you can actually escape some sort of

00:39:14 ◼   ► intermediate stuff. I mean we can we can basically like this it can all get very

00:39:18 ◼   ► meta like what is the one true representation of a song is it you

00:39:23 ◼   ► standing in the room as the artists are recording the song like how deep does

00:39:28 ◼   ► the rabbit hole go like what if the artists use samples do you also need to

00:39:33 ◼   ► be in the room where samples are originally bit like it's it's complex

00:39:39 ◼   ► and probably there isn't a one true answer, really. But the thing is, the one

00:39:49 ◼   ► truth we know is that if for 20 years of your life you listen to a certain song

00:39:55 ◼   ► and it always sounded a certain way, like you listen for 20 years to "What's My

00:40:01 ◼   ► Age Again" by Blink-182, and then you listen to the spatial audio mix and you're like,

00:40:05 ◼   ► this is not the song I know. But then my, I would say I have, for example, I think

00:40:10 ◼   ► it was Billie Jean. I thought for an entire way of my life a song was sung

00:40:14 ◼   ► this certain way. I listened to it in "Lostless" on your really good headphones

00:40:17 ◼   ► like, wow, I didn't hear that part before. So then what's the truth? To me, you know?

00:40:21 ◼   ► It's all relative. I know, I know. We're very, we're very like up in the clouds

00:40:27 ◼   ► today. Yeah, it's very like, what, what is, what, what, what is audio when you think

00:40:34 ◼   ► about it. Like what is it? Is it like, what is it, like particles moving through the air?

00:40:41 ◼   ► It's just air, right? It's just a movement of air. It's not even...

00:40:44 ◼   ► But like it also depends on your ears. Like what you hear is not necessarily what I hear.

00:40:49 ◼   ► How do you know that what I think is the color green is the same as what you see is the color green?

00:40:57 ◼   ► But this is actually like a very, this is actually like a very interesting discussion.

00:41:01 ◼   ► for all forms of media. There's a Jason and Matt are talking in the, in the,

00:41:05 ◼   ► and Zach are talking into this court right now.

00:41:07 ◼   ► Like it's absolutely true when it comes to movies, when it comes to video games,

00:41:11 ◼   ► when you get the multiple versions of something,

00:41:15 ◼   ► when you got a director's cut version of something like is it the snot a cup,

00:41:19 ◼   ► right? Is it, but is that the one true copy of it? Like in the,

00:41:23 ◼   ► I especially feel like maybe,

00:41:26 ◼   ► and I'm totally willing to accept that I'm mistaken here. Right.

00:41:30 ◼   ► And I think I am. I think I'm in the minority here, especially in the digital world.

00:41:36 ◼   ► This sounds so stupid, but bear with me. But in this era, right,

00:41:40 ◼   ► it's increasingly difficult to say this is the one true copy of something.

00:41:47 ◼   ► And then some people will say NFT from the background, but no, I don't want to talk about that.

00:41:54 ◼   ► Blockchain your next album is what we're saying.

00:41:56 ◼   ► When it comes to video games... So, okay, last week, we talked about this last week, playing

00:42:02 ◼   ► old video games on an emulator. Are you playing the original game or not? If you're playing

00:42:07 ◼   ► an old game and it's upscaled in resolution. That is not the original game! But it also

00:42:13 ◼   ► is. Like, it also is at the same time. It's exhausting.

00:42:20 ◼   ► Okay, you've seen too many Matrix movies this week.

00:42:22 ◼   ► But I also feel like this is a valid argument. At the end of the day, there is one neat way

00:42:33 ◼   ► to sum it all up, which is "Enjoy what you enjoy, and it's fine." Then we can get into

00:42:42 ◼   ► the technicalities of it, but I feel like the more time passes and the more we get this

00:42:49 ◼   ► like spatial audio, or binaural audio could also be another topic here, or remasters,

00:43:00 ◼   ► upscaling, like all these technologies that augment what you know. As long as you enjoy

00:43:06 ◼   ► it, and as long as it's true, maybe being true to the source material is more important

00:43:12 ◼   ► than being, you know, an exact one-to-one version of the source material. Like, maybe

00:43:19 ◼   ► being truthful to the source is what matters. To who? And, I don't know. To anyone, really.

00:43:27 ◼   ► Like, if I'm playing Zelda Wind Waker, which is a game from 20 years ago, and it would

00:43:33 ◼   ► look horrible on my 4K TV right now, but if I'm playing this game upscaled by software

00:43:39 ◼   ► on my 4K TV and I'm enjoying the game, so what?

00:43:43 ◼   ► Why are you not being true to it?

00:43:45 ◼   ► Well, the game is the game.

00:43:48 ◼   ► The story is the same story, the controls are the same controls.

00:43:52 ◼   ► It's all very complex and there's no one real answer to it.

00:44:01 ◼   ► And I'm contradicting myself because I don't have an answer because it's...

00:44:05 ◼   ► What we've learned is Apple has spatial audio app store review powers. That's what we've

00:44:09 ◼   ► learned.

00:44:10 ◼   ► Oh.

00:44:11 ◼   ► You think they ever go back and tell somebody, "Hey, your spatial audio mix sucks. Try again?"

00:44:15 ◼   ► Well, yeah, I think that's exactly what they're saying. We try to engage with people.

00:44:20 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:44:21 ◼   ► Yeah, that means, no, we don't like the way this sounds.

00:44:22 ◼   ► Thank you, Matt from the Discord for recognizing that this is an interesting philosophical

00:44:28 ◼   ► discussion. Matt knows what I'm talking about. So, yeah.

00:44:32 ◼   ► Does anyone truly know what you're...

00:44:34 ◼   ► - It's a real problem to think about things too much.

00:44:39 ◼   ► Sometimes I wish I took more things for what they are,

00:44:43 ◼   ► more things for just what they are

00:44:45 ◼   ► without thinking about them.

00:44:46 ◼   ► But then I think about them, that's my problem.

00:44:48 ◼   ► Thinking too much is a limitation in some cases anyway.

00:44:52 ◼   ► - You'll hate yourself.

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00:47:03 ◼   ► I wanna talk about the MacBook Pro

00:47:05 ◼   ► with you guys a little bit.

00:47:06 ◼   ► - Okay.

00:47:07 ◼   ► - There's a rumor going around that in a early March event,

00:47:12 ◼   ► Apple will unveil an update to the 13 inch MacBook Pro.

00:47:17 ◼   ► The particular story right now,

00:47:20 ◼   ► or at least from this source,

00:47:22 ◼   ► is that this MacBook Pro would retain the old design,

00:47:27 ◼   ► which itself comes from that 2016 class of MacBook Pros,

00:47:32 ◼   ► including the touch bar.

00:47:34 ◼   ► - Oh no.

00:47:34 ◼   ► - It would be the M1 MacBook Pro just with an M2.

00:47:39 ◼   ► And I just don't see any reason this makes any sense.

00:47:43 ◼   ► This is something that Apple would do.

00:47:45 ◼   ► And I'm curious what you guys thought about it.

00:47:46 ◼   ► - Why still do the touch bar?

00:47:49 ◼   ► because they had the parts built in a warehouse somewhere? Like why?

00:47:53 ◼   ► I mean it's the, I guess the question is, well, the question would be is it more cost effective

00:48:01 ◼   ► to just keep making the touch bar, like the version, or to get rid of it and replace it

00:48:09 ◼   ► with the version with the physical keys? Yeah that has to be it. The old quote-unquote

00:48:17 ◼   ► MacBook escape right the old two port no touch bar MacBook Pro that's been gone now for

00:48:22 ◼   ► Probably two or three years. I mean that CAD files laying around somewhere but to your point

00:48:29 ◼   ► They've been making this chassis now continuously since 2016 and perhaps you can just drop a new

00:48:35 ◼   ► Logic board with the m2 in it and move on was this MacBook pros internals modified when they put the m1 in it not

00:48:42 ◼   ► Significantly, I don't think right but maybe enough like a little bit, right?

00:48:47 ◼   ► so that like what now they're gonna drag that old thing out and I think this is a if this happens

00:48:54 ◼   ► the interesting thing about this is this rumor says it will have it Mark Gorman said it wouldn't

00:48:59 ◼   ► have it right um the in regards to the touch bar I don't know I feel like logically you should get

00:49:06 ◼   ► rid of it but I could see a situation where they don't just because they have the parts and they

00:49:11 ◼   ► just want to keep burning through them which would be a very Tim Cook move I feel like

00:49:17 ◼   ► This kind of reminds me of, this is reaching back like a decade or something, do you remember

00:49:24 ◼   ► for a while they had the old 13-inch MacBook Pro that still had the optical drive? Yeah. And they

00:49:30 ◼   ► sold it for a while even though everything else had had moved on. It stuck around in education

00:49:37 ◼   ► for a long time with memory serves. Yeah, yeah, it was, well you could buy it yourself. I think

00:49:44 ◼   ► I think it eventually went education only before it went away, but it was like this

00:49:51 ◼   ► remnant of a past time.

00:49:54 ◼   ► It was like still hanging on somehow.

00:49:56 ◼   ► Mm-hmm.

00:49:57 ◼   ► Yeah, I don't know.

00:49:59 ◼   ► I don't really have any feelings on the touch bar sticking around.

00:50:03 ◼   ► It just feels like a very...

00:50:05 ◼   ► It feels like an old thing.

00:50:08 ◼   ► When I say nobody cares about it anymore, I know that I'm going to upset some people

00:50:10 ◼   ► or like the touch bar is incredible for me and I mean sure more power to you if it is

00:50:15 ◼   ► but you know you look at the M1 Pro and M1 Max MacBook Pros and obviously that's the

00:50:21 ◼   ► future without the touch bar and so if it sticks around I feel like it's a very Tim

00:50:27 ◼   ► Cook move that must be cost effective and it just feels kinda sad you know uninspired

00:50:37 ◼   ► I guess.

00:50:38 ◼   ► I will say to the people that are holding on to the touch bar in their minds for some

00:50:44 ◼   ► reason like they want to let it go. I mean I don't know if I have to be the one to tell

00:50:49 ◼   ► you but like you're fighting a losing battle here. You know like the writing is on the

00:50:56 ◼   ► wall like if the touch bar sticks around it is purely like just because it's cost effective

00:51:02 ◼   ► to not get rid of it not because like Apple truly believes in it and it's gonna make a

00:51:07 ◼   ► Like that thing is dead.

00:51:09 ◼   ► - It doesn't send any message like,

00:51:11 ◼   ► "Oh, does it mean?"

00:51:12 ◼   ► No, it means nothing.

00:51:13 ◼   ► It just means that it costs less to make it.

00:51:16 ◼   ► - It does just make me question yet again,

00:51:18 ◼   ► why this price point in Apple's product line

00:51:22 ◼   ► seems so difficult for them to solve.

00:51:24 ◼   ► For years, we had at this sort of, you know,

00:51:28 ◼   ► 1199, 1299 price area,

00:51:31 ◼   ► we had the old MacBook Air, the single port MacBook,

00:51:36 ◼   ► and the two port, no touch port MacBook Pro,

00:51:40 ◼   ► it was very confusing.

00:51:41 ◼   ► And then the MacBook went away, the MacBook Air got good.

00:51:44 ◼   ► It just seems like if you're,

00:51:47 ◼   ► that this machine only exists to fill a price point,

00:51:51 ◼   ► to fill the gap in between the MacBook Air

00:51:54 ◼   ► and the 14 inch MacBook Pro price wise.

00:51:57 ◼   ► And one, I don't think Apple actually has to fill

00:52:00 ◼   ► that price point.

00:52:01 ◼   ► Like I don't think they do.

00:52:03 ◼   ► I think they could have, this is the MacBook Air,

00:52:05 ◼   ► it costs this much, it's the MacBook Pro,

00:52:07 ◼   ► it costs this much.

00:52:08 ◼   ► If you want something in the middle, like, kinda too bad,

00:52:12 ◼   ► but that's not really the way Apple works.

00:52:14 ◼   ► They want a Mac or an iPad and iPhone

00:52:16 ◼   ► at every $200 price, you know,

00:52:20 ◼   ► breaking point that they can.

00:52:22 ◼   ► But keeping a machine around that the design is old,

00:52:25 ◼   ► even if this does not have the touch bar.

00:52:26 ◼   ► So let's say that Gurman is right,

00:52:28 ◼   ► and I tend to believe that he is.

00:52:30 ◼   ► Why would you keep a 13-inch MacBook Pro

00:52:32 ◼   ► that does not have the new design,

00:52:35 ◼   ► does not have new ports, does not have the new display.

00:52:39 ◼   ► Yes, it's at the price point,

00:52:40 ◼   ► but you're diluting what a MacBook Pro means, right?

00:52:43 ◼   ► You have this MacBook Pro that's really just the old one,

00:52:47 ◼   ► but other than you have like the real MacBook Pro over here

00:52:50 ◼   ► in 14 to 16 inches, new design, new ports,

00:52:53 ◼   ► all this great stuff.

00:52:55 ◼   ► And then, oh, there's this other one,

00:52:56 ◼   ► if you can't afford the nice one.

00:52:59 ◼   ► I think it just dilutes the branding.

00:53:01 ◼   ► Like if you're gonna keep this machine around

00:53:04 ◼   ► and Apple's willing to make that hit against the brand,

00:53:08 ◼   ► then I guess that is what it is.

00:53:10 ◼   ► But there's opportunity here for Apple to do

00:53:12 ◼   ► what I want them to do, which is a bigger MacBook Air,

00:53:15 ◼   ► and let that hit this price point,

00:53:17 ◼   ► or de-content a 14-inch somehow.

00:53:20 ◼   ► It just hurts me to see this machine stick around

00:53:23 ◼   ► with or without the touch bar, honestly.

00:53:25 ◼   ► - Don't think I agree with you yet.

00:53:28 ◼   ► 'Cause I don't think this is a bad computer.

00:53:31 ◼   ► That's the thing.

00:53:32 ◼   ► I am more willing to agree with it

00:53:33 ◼   ► when we're like many, many years old.

00:53:35 ◼   ► Like for example, the 21 inch iMac

00:53:38 ◼   ► that had the hard drive in it, right?

00:53:41 ◼   ► That stuck around for way too long.

00:53:43 ◼   ► Even if we got another few years from this one,

00:53:46 ◼   ► if they put an M2 in it, like it's gonna be great.

00:53:48 ◼   ► The only thing is like the design's different,

00:53:50 ◼   ► but it's about some, maybe not everybody cares about that.

00:53:53 ◼   ► The ports are different.

00:53:54 ◼   ► Well, we all got to learn to live with that

00:53:55 ◼   ► for a long while anyway, and maybe you don't need them all.

00:53:59 ◼   ► And then outside of that, we got a touch bar,

00:54:00 ◼   ► but it doesn't necessarily hurt you.

00:54:02 ◼   ► I think that the fact that the internals of this would be relatively on par, like the chips,

00:54:08 ◼   ► I think that that makes this one less egregious than some of the other stuff that they've kept

00:54:12 ◼   ► around for a long time. Yeah, it's just that the new ones are so much better. Yeah, but they're

00:54:16 ◼   ► also more expensive. Yeah, back to square one. Exactly, and like I think we're a while away from

00:54:22 ◼   ► that computer coming down in price, and so when either being deployed at scale for education or

00:54:29 ◼   ► for business, I don't think that they can get away with it.

00:54:35 ◼   ► I mean here in the UK, I'm looking at the Apple Store now, right?

00:54:39 ◼   ► The MacBook Pro, the M1 MacBook Pro starts at £1299.

00:54:45 ◼   ► The MacBook Pro with the M1 Pro chips in it, £1899.

00:54:50 ◼   ► That is a £600 difference.

00:54:53 ◼   ► That's too much.

00:54:57 ◼   ► a big jump here too and if you go from like the MacBook Air to the 14 inch it's

00:55:02 ◼   ► it's even a little bit more it's like almost it's basically a thousand dollars

00:55:07 ◼   ► difference so that's why and that's why you got to keep it around but it still

00:55:11 ◼   ► makes me sad I know but this this is one of those things where you can't really

00:55:15 ◼   ► do much about it and like is there there that Delta is too large right now

00:55:21 ◼   ► between the prices of these machines and and this is more like that when that

00:55:27 ◼   ► retina MacBook Pro came about right and it was way more expensive and it was just

00:55:33 ◼   ► the only one and it was up there and they kept the non retina ones around for

00:55:36 ◼   ► a really long time like get used to in my opinion a 13 inch MacBook Pro being

00:55:41 ◼   ► around for many years to come until they can start to get that price down no I

00:55:46 ◼   ► know you're right it just hurts because like it's they're so close to like just

00:55:50 ◼   ► great product line simplicity they haven't really had since the early Intel

00:55:58 ◼   ► days where they had the 13 inch MacBook and they had the 15 and 17 inch MacBook

00:56:02 ◼   ► Pro it was like really easy to understand what was what and there was a

00:56:07 ◼   ► big price jump then not as big as we're talking about now but I sort of always

00:56:13 ◼   ► like long for them to go back to that that simplicity because if someone's

00:56:17 ◼   ► looking at, okay, I need a MacBook Pro for whatever reason, like the Delta

00:56:23 ◼   ► between the 13 and the 14, like they're different machines in almost every

00:56:28 ◼   ► single way. And it feels like yes, why you said it is a good machine. Like it's

00:56:34 ◼   ► not as nearly as good as the 14. It just is kind of a bummer. People are going to

00:56:38 ◼   ► miss out on that because Apple can get the price down.

00:56:40 ◼   ► Yeah, I agree with you. Like it would be cool if they could, I mean, maybe like

00:56:46 ◼   ► the next MacBook Air will get so good they don't need that 13 anymore.

00:56:50 ◼   ► Yeah, or you know, make a bigger MacBook Air, Apple. Just do that.

00:56:54 ◼   ► Do the 50. But what, how would that solve your problem? If they had a 13-inch MacBook Pro with

00:56:58 ◼   ► the price it is now, which is $999, and you put a 15-inch MacBook Air in the $1299 slot,

00:57:04 ◼   ► then you hit, you hit the two price points. So you have two MacBook Airs and two MacBook Pros,

00:57:10 ◼   ► 13 to 15, 14 to 16.

00:57:12 ◼   ► - Pro, a 15 inch MacBook Air is not a 13 inch MacBook Pro.

00:57:16 ◼   ► You've just hit price points.

00:57:19 ◼   ► - No, but if they hit the same price point,

00:57:22 ◼   ► then I don't think it really matters past that

00:57:26 ◼   ► because right now the 13 inch MacBook Pro spec wise

00:57:29 ◼   ► is a MacBook Air.

00:57:30 ◼   ► It's the same processor, the same number of ports.

00:57:33 ◼   ► It just gets better battery life.

00:57:35 ◼   ► - Yeah, but I don't think I would want a 15 inch MacBook Air

00:57:39 ◼   ► Like it's too big.

00:57:40 ◼   ► - I think a lot of people would be interested in something

00:57:42 ◼   ► that's big in life. - That's really big.

00:57:43 ◼   ► They have it physically very large.

00:57:45 ◼   ► Like the 14 inch MacBook Pro is pushed the very top end

00:57:50 ◼   ► of what I want computer size wise for the space.

00:57:53 ◼   ► Like if then we're going bigger than that,

00:57:56 ◼   ► like that's just too big.

00:57:58 ◼   ► Like then it's not a price thing anymore.

00:58:00 ◼   ► It's like, I don't want a 15 inch computer.

00:58:04 ◼   ► So then we're back to square one again,

00:58:06 ◼   ► where now we haven't, we filled the price points,

00:58:09 ◼   ► but we haven't actually filled the use cases,

00:58:11 ◼   ► which is probably one of the other reasons

00:58:13 ◼   ► this 13 still exists.

00:58:15 ◼   ► - I think that people generally like options

00:58:20 ◼   ► and generally like, if you look at what is selling

00:58:24 ◼   ► in the Windows world, like there are,

00:58:28 ◼   ► like 13 inches clearly is the most popular screen size,

00:58:31 ◼   ► but there are like thin and lights that are bigger.

00:58:36 ◼   ► And of course there's also like a contingency

00:58:37 ◼   ► I'm gonna head you off now.

00:58:39 ◼   ► who would want a smaller MacBook Air.

00:58:40 ◼   ► Well, that's not gonna do anything

00:58:41 ◼   ► about our price point problem, but,

00:58:43 ◼   ► or a MacBook again, like I tweeted about this the other day,

00:58:45 ◼   ► people were like, "I want the MacBook back!"

00:58:46 ◼   ► Like one, you forget how bad that computer was.

00:58:50 ◼   ► Maybe, I mean, surely it would be better

00:58:52 ◼   ► with an Apple Silicon chip in it,

00:58:53 ◼   ► but there's still a lot of trade-offs

00:58:54 ◼   ► to make something that small,

00:58:56 ◼   ► and it doesn't fix the price point.

00:58:58 ◼   ► Like, there's a world in which Apple

00:59:00 ◼   ► keeps the MacBook Air at 999.

00:59:03 ◼   ► They introduce like something basically like the old MacBook,

00:59:06 ◼   ► and that takes the 1299 price.

00:59:08 ◼   ► then we're back in the confusing times of 2016.

00:59:11 ◼   ► We're like, I don't know what computer to buy for $1299.

00:59:13 ◼   ► So it's just, I guess like the ultimate blame here

00:59:17 ◼   ► is that the 14-inch MacBook Pro is just too expensive.

00:59:20 ◼   ► - Yes.

00:59:21 ◼   ► - And it is an expensive computer.

00:59:23 ◼   ► The 16 even more so, they can't seem to bring it down,

00:59:27 ◼   ► at least they're not gonna bring it down $700 anytime soon.

00:59:30 ◼   ► So Apple's created this issue where

00:59:33 ◼   ► maybe the 13-inch MacBook Pro carrying on

00:59:35 ◼   ► like the the least bad option I have a bunch of bad options I just think it

00:59:41 ◼   ► does a disservice to the brand and to people who kind of end up with that

00:59:47 ◼   ► machine even though like probably should just bought a MacBook Air especially if

00:59:51 ◼   ► the touch bar goes away and you're not getting all the goodies that like modern

00:59:55 ◼   ► MacBook Pros have. I think that the eventual solution to this is that they

01:00:00 ◼   ► add a bunch of new features to the MacBook Air and then they just don't need

01:00:03 ◼   ► the MacBook Pro anymore. Yeah. I think that's the way they do it. Like put MagSafe,

01:00:07 ◼   ► couple more ports in the MacBook Air. I don't know if that's what they're gonna

01:00:09 ◼   ► do but if they do that then they could probably just get rid of that MacBook

01:00:13 ◼   ► Pro. Maybe. And you can just like spec up a MacBook Air. I mean you already can

01:00:17 ◼   ► spec a MacBook Air up. Pretty expensive. Because there really isn't that much

01:00:20 ◼   ► difference between them anymore. Like so I think eventually they would just get

01:00:24 ◼   ► rid of that MacBook Pro. Like that's just the way to do it but they're not

01:00:27 ◼   ► gonna do that yet for whatever reason. I'm really happy with the 14 inch MacBook

01:00:31 ◼   ► I'm glad it exists. I just wish it was cheaper.

01:00:33 ◼   ► I feel like this is the point where Federico could jump in and tell you that this conversation's over.

01:00:39 ◼   ► Like you tried to pull him away from the conversation in the previous segment, you know?

01:00:44 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:00:45 ◼   ► I mean, what is the true laptop, you know?

01:00:47 ◼   ► This conversation is over.

01:00:49 ◼   ► How do you know what the designer's intended without being in the room?

01:00:52 ◼   ► Can you really be a designer at Apple if you're not Johnny Ive?

01:00:55 ◼   ► Like, there's also that question.

01:00:57 ◼   ► But it gets deep and I don't want to get into it, but yes, this conversation is over.

01:01:02 ◼   ► Like, look, we get it.

01:01:04 ◼   ► You want computers and more computers to exist.

01:01:08 ◼   ► Let's move on.

01:01:09 ◼   ► What else is new?

01:01:10 ◼   ► Am I right?

01:01:11 ◼   ► What else?

01:01:12 ◼   ► Steven wants more computers.

01:01:13 ◼   ► Okay.

01:01:14 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:01:15 ◼   ► Oh, surprise, surprise.

01:01:16 ◼   ► Big deal.

01:01:17 ◼   ► He just wants to fill out those shelves, those non-CALAC shelves.

01:01:21 ◼   ► See how fascinating conversations can be?

01:01:23 ◼   ► How they can take a leap into different directions?

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01:01:37 ◼   ► And then nobody wants to talk to each other anymore.

01:01:39 ◼   ► Right? I know.

01:01:40 ◼   ► It's funny. It's funny how that happens.

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01:03:49 ◼   ► All right, Federico had an idea that we should, we should spend some time talking about non-Apple

01:03:54 ◼   ► hardware.

01:03:55 ◼   ► So we're obviously all big Apple users, big Apple buddies, all three of us.

01:04:01 ◼   ► But we have lots of other things in our lives and I think this is going to be fun.

01:04:07 ◼   ► Talk about some...

01:04:08 ◼   ► I mean, if you think about it though, like, you know, what is Apple hardware?

01:04:11 ◼   ► Because like it's all made by third party companies anyway.

01:04:14 ◼   ► So like, you know, who actually owns the hardware?

01:04:17 ◼   ► Exactly!

01:04:18 ◼   ► You know?

01:04:19 ◼   ► Like, see, when I say it's a problem to think about these things too much, because then

01:04:23 ◼   ► you never come up with an answer!

01:04:25 ◼   ► Which explains why being a thinker, being a philosopher, used to be like a job in ancient

01:04:33 ◼   ► times.

01:04:34 ◼   ► Because like, these people made a profession out of thinking about these things.

01:04:38 ◼   ► Now anybody with a Twitter account can do it, you know?

01:04:41 ◼   ► Yes!

01:04:42 ◼   ► It's the real problem for us to say.

01:04:44 ◼   ► Can you be a philosopher for a living? I mean, I guess maybe if you write books, right?

01:04:48 ◼   ► Yeah, yeah, yeah, but I think these people tend to be employed by companies now, or like

01:04:53 ◼   ► management consultancies. Anyway, Steven, why don't you tell us about some non-Apple

01:04:57 ◼   ► hardware that you love?

01:04:58 ◼   ► Are we gonna round robin this? We all have three.

01:05:01 ◼   ► Then yes!

01:05:03 ◼   ► Then yes!

01:05:04 ◼   ► Yes! Up first are my beloved Harman Kardon sound sticks. These are the speakers that

01:05:10 ◼   ► I've used on my desk.

01:05:11 ◼   ► These are the transparent ones, aren't they?

01:05:13 ◼   ► Yes, okay. Yeah, I've got a link in the show notes. You can look at them.

01:05:16 ◼   ► Can you still buy these new?

01:05:18 ◼   ► Apparently, you can.

01:05:19 ◼   ► That's unbelievable to me, because like I remember seeing these alongside the iMac G4.

01:05:26 ◼   ► Yes. Are these speakers like a thing now? Like are they back in fashion or something?

01:05:32 ◼   ► I think so. Look, the website says they're an award winner. I don't know what award they won.

01:05:37 ◼   ► I mean, they've been around for a hundred years, so they should have won some award by now.

01:05:41 ◼   ► (laughing)

01:05:42 ◼   ► Yeah, I got a set of these.

01:05:44 ◼   ► My right one is hot glued shut, as I've mentioned before.

01:05:47 ◼   ► Still holding on.

01:05:50 ◼   ► And I love the kind of the retro,

01:05:52 ◼   ► you know, early 2000s vibe.

01:05:54 ◼   ► They sound pretty great.

01:05:55 ◼   ► I like having an external subwoofer

01:05:57 ◼   ► that I can have separate control of.

01:05:59 ◼   ► And they just look fun.

01:06:01 ◼   ► Clear hardware is awesome.

01:06:02 ◼   ► More things should be transparent,

01:06:03 ◼   ► as we've talked about before.

01:06:05 ◼   ► And I use these every single day for music, for editing.

01:06:10 ◼   ► Basically, anytime that I'm at my computer,

01:06:12 ◼   ► I'm not recording,

01:06:13 ◼   ► I've got something going on on these sound sticks

01:06:16 ◼   ► and I've done so for like 15 years now.

01:06:19 ◼   ► - Sound sticks.

01:06:20 ◼   ► - Sound sticks.

01:06:21 ◼   ► - They stick out, that's what they're called, sound sticks.

01:06:24 ◼   ► - Apparently there's a Bluetooth version as well.

01:06:26 ◼   ► Mine are not that, mine are old, pre Bluetooth.

01:06:30 ◼   ► - Are they really pre Bluetooth?

01:06:32 ◼   ► - I mean, they actually,

01:06:33 ◼   ► this pair may actually be pre Bluetooth,

01:06:35 ◼   ► but at least before Bluetooth was put into the sound sticks.

01:06:39 ◼   ► This is like back in the old day when technology used to last, am I right?

01:06:43 ◼   ► Yeah, you know, audio just sounds so much better when you can plug it in.

01:06:47 ◼   ► Really, the musician intended me to use copper, not...

01:06:51 ◼   ► Particles in the air.

01:06:51 ◼   ► Bluetooth magic.

01:06:53 ◼   ► Do you ever feel like you want to pour red wine into the subwoofer?

01:06:57 ◼   ► Oh...

01:06:58 ◼   ► Look at the can, some alcohol in there.

01:07:00 ◼   ► It kind of looks like a decanter.

01:07:01 ◼   ► It does look like a decanter in there.

01:07:03 ◼   ► Could you pour something in the top?

01:07:05 ◼   ► I mean, yes.

01:07:06 ◼   ► You should try it.

01:07:07 ◼   ► So, technically you could, but you shouldn't.

01:07:11 ◼   ► Yes, it is open.

01:07:13 ◼   ► It is open.

01:07:14 ◼   ► I did have gold confetti in there from when we hit.

01:07:17 ◼   ► So you have poured something in it.

01:07:19 ◼   ► Okay.

01:07:20 ◼   ► Well, I shot confetti at my desk,

01:07:22 ◼   ► and then I had to take the subwoofer apart

01:07:24 ◼   ► and clean the confetti out of it.

01:07:25 ◼   ► Decanted some confetti.

01:07:27 ◼   ► Decanted some confetti.

01:07:29 ◼   ► Ah, the vintage on this confetti is very good.

01:07:32 ◼   ► Yes, the tannins are excellent.

01:07:34 ◼   ► (laughing)

01:07:37 ◼   ► Gold with a hint of foil.

01:07:39 ◼   ► Mmm.

01:07:40 ◼   ► Mmm.

01:07:41 ◼   ► It was a good year.

01:07:42 ◼   ► Okay.

01:07:43 ◼   ► [LAUGHTER]

01:07:45 ◼   ► All right.

01:07:46 ◼   ► So I'm up next because that's the order of the document.

01:07:53 ◼   ► Something I love are my Intel NUCs, plural, because I have a second one now.

01:08:00 ◼   ► These are tiny Windows-based computers that are the size of an Apple TV.

01:08:05 ◼   ► like a slightly chunkier Apple TV, and they are Windows PCs. One of them is still on Windows 10,

01:08:14 ◼   ► I got upgraded. The other one came with Windows 11. They are excellent home servers that cost

01:08:21 ◼   ► much less than a Mac Mini, and they are much more space effective than a Mac Mini. I wanted to have

01:08:28 ◼   ► a home server that could fit under my TV in the kitchen, and a Mac Mini was too much for it,

01:08:35 ◼   ► because we have this very small shelf underneath it, and a Mac Mini wouldn't fit, and it would cost

01:08:41 ◼   ► double, and so I got this cheap Intel NUC that does exactly what I want, which is a couple of

01:08:48 ◼   ► things really. Mostly it's a Rune library, we talked about this before. Rune is a music

01:08:56 ◼   ► application for folks like me who, speaking of, you know,

01:09:01 ◼   ► lossless music, want to maintain an offline lossless music collection.

01:09:06 ◼   ► And Rune, it's kind of like Plex, right? You gotta run it on a home server somewhere,

01:09:12 ◼   ► and then you use the client app on your iPhone, iPad, Mac, whatever,

01:09:16 ◼   ► to connect to the server. And Rune is always running on the internet.

01:09:22 ◼   ► I last rebooted it in August. Like, this thing is super reliable, I have zero problems with it.

01:09:29 ◼   ► It runs quiet, it doesn't run hot at all, because it's just, you know, streaming some audio files

01:09:37 ◼   ► over my Wi-Fi network. That's all it does. And I loved it so much I got a second one

01:09:42 ◼   ► that I placed in Viterbo at Sylvia's place. It's also doing the same thing for when I'm in

01:09:50 ◼   ► I'm in the Turbo and I want to listen to music. I also have some equipment there, and it's running Rune.

01:09:54 ◼   ► My music library syncs with Dropbox, so everything is fine there.

01:09:59 ◼   ► I don't need to maintain two separate libraries because it's all stored in Dropbox, and

01:10:05 ◼   ► it's excellent for that. I also use the NUC in the Turbo.

01:10:10 ◼   ► This is something that I thought about a few weeks ago, and I asked myself, "I wonder if this works?" And it does.

01:10:16 ◼   ► To play Xbox games. Now, there's a catch, obviously. These computers are nearly not powerful enough.

01:10:24 ◼   ► You know, they have integrated Intel graphics. They cannot run modern Xbox games, but

01:10:30 ◼   ► you can totally use them to play cloud games from Xbox.

01:10:35 ◼   ► I installed the Xbox app on the Intel NUC and I hooked it up to the TV with an HDMI cable.

01:10:41 ◼   ► I paired an Xbox controller as a Bluetooth controller in Windows settings, and I can stream

01:10:49 ◼   ► Halo Infinite or Forza or Death's Door, all these other Xbox games, and I can play them as cloud games.

01:10:57 ◼   ► And the beauty of the Xbox ecosystem that we mentioned before is that it's all

01:11:02 ◼   ► part of your Xbox account.

01:11:06 ◼   ► So you can play a game locally on your Xbox with a literal physical disk,

01:11:12 ◼   ► and you can save the game, or you can play on your local Wi-Fi network

01:11:17 ◼   ► on something like an iPad or an iPhone, and you keep the same save file and save profile,

01:11:23 ◼   ► all your progress follows you around, basically.

01:11:26 ◼   ► Or you can play with the cloud.

01:11:28 ◼   ► And so when I'm in Viterbo, I can continue playing my Halo game that I started in Rome, for example.

01:11:33 ◼   ► for example.

01:11:34 ◼   ► And it's all thanks to this small Windows computer

01:11:37 ◼   ► that I absolutely love.

01:11:39 ◼   ► So Windows, I mean, we can get into that or not.

01:11:43 ◼   ► I think it's fine.

01:11:44 ◼   ► It's better than it used to be.

01:11:46 ◼   ► I still prefer macOS, but for this very specific task,

01:11:49 ◼   ► it absolutely gets the job done.

01:11:51 ◼   ► And the Xbox app with cloud streaming,

01:11:55 ◼   ► nice additional use case for the Intel NUC.

01:11:58 ◼   ► - Speaking of Windows,

01:12:00 ◼   ► I love my PC that I built like a year ago.

01:12:05 ◼   ► I have built my PC inside of the Lian Li O11 Dynamic Mini case.

01:12:12 ◼   ► I'll put a link in the show notes to all of the parts

01:12:15 ◼   ► that I have in my PC.

01:12:16 ◼   ► I have an AMD Ryzen 9 5900X.

01:12:19 ◼   ► I have 32 gigabytes of RAM, one terabyte of SSD,

01:12:24 ◼   ► and a Radeon RX 6800.

01:12:27 ◼   ► I love this thing.

01:12:29 ◼   ► I love the case.

01:12:30 ◼   ► case is so easy to build in. This is so simple compared to the previous build that I had

01:12:35 ◼   ► and it's a great time for PC hardware. PC hardware is really powerful right now. I guess

01:12:40 ◼   ► the only issue is you can't get any of it. If you could get some of it, it'd be great,

01:12:44 ◼   ► but most people can't get any of it. And I was really lucky to get some of the stuff

01:12:48 ◼   ► that I got. I was gifted the Ryzen 9 by a friend, which is awesome. And I was very lucky

01:12:53 ◼   ► to get in and I got my graphics card just out of like, I don't know, sheer will of the

01:13:00 ◼   ► world. I just was in a queue waiting to get one one day and got one, you know, like online

01:13:05 ◼   ► they put these queuing systems in. And I love my PC. It has anything I throw at it. I've

01:13:10 ◼   ► done some gaming stuff on it, mostly for live streaming stuff, but that is what I use it

01:13:14 ◼   ► for in general is live streaming stuff. And it's absolutely rock solid and so powerful.

01:13:20 ◼   ► I feel like I've got years and years and years of headroom in this PC.

01:13:24 ◼   ► And it looks really cool and I've got lots of RGB in it but I have it all set to white

01:13:28 ◼   ► because it looks really nice to have a white PC.

01:13:30 ◼   ► And the RGB is white and it looks really nice when it's all built together.

01:13:33 ◼   ► So I love my PC.

01:13:34 ◼   ► You built this two years ago, three years ago?

01:13:37 ◼   ► No, I built this one a year ago, I think.

01:13:42 ◼   ► Yeah, about...

01:13:43 ◼   ► So it's not the one I saw in person?

01:13:45 ◼   ► No, that was many years ago I built that one.

01:13:48 ◼   ► That was like years and years and years ago.

01:13:50 ◼   ► This is a newer one with all new components in it.

01:13:54 ◼   ► That PC now is covered in googly eyes and I hate it.

01:13:58 ◼   ► This one is much, much nicer, much sleeker and looks really good.

01:14:01 ◼   ► The case is so great.

01:14:03 ◼   ► I recommend by the way anybody who is thinking about building a gaming PC to look at the

01:14:08 ◼   ► Lian Li line of products of cases, they really think through accessing and like expandability.

01:14:16 ◼   ► It's really, really cool.

01:14:17 ◼   ► You should get one of those 390s graphic cards in there eventually.

01:14:22 ◼   ► The Radeon 6800 is really nice.

01:14:26 ◼   ► It's comparable to the low to mid tier of the Nvidia cards.

01:14:29 ◼   ► This is all I need right now.

01:14:33 ◼   ► Eventually I would like to go to an Nvidia card,

01:14:36 ◼   ► but this one is more than enough for me right now.

01:14:39 ◼   ► And I mean, you could also like, with the Ryzen stuff, you could do the...

01:14:45 ◼   ► what's it called, the AMD FSR, like the super resolution thing that they do for the upscaling.

01:14:51 ◼   ► This is stuff that they mostly talk about so far, then there really being that many games

01:14:57 ◼   ► that support it, but it works really well for me. Nice, nice, very nice. Alright,

01:15:02 ◼   ► Steven, it's back to you. Yeah, I was gonna bring up my custom-built PC as well. Look at us,

01:15:10 ◼   ► Picking windows in our and all of our I know all three was a big PC's

01:15:14 ◼   ► mine's an Intel build with an i7 it's in a

01:15:19 ◼   ► Corsair

01:15:22 ◼   ► ATX like mid sized case

01:15:24 ◼   ► If I was to build something new I would pick the case that Myke has I think that case looks awesome

01:15:30 ◼   ► And I've I've only heard good things people who have built in it

01:15:33 ◼   ► The Corsair case is big, but it was my first build and I figured

01:15:38 ◼   ► Rather have a little breathing room in terms of that's what I did with mine

01:15:42 ◼   ► My first one just the biggest case I could get and then just build inside

01:15:46 ◼   ► yeah, so it is black all my

01:15:49 ◼   ► components are blacks in my video card I ended up with

01:15:52 ◼   ► Through kind of like with Myke sort of just being in the right place at the right time a founders edition

01:15:59 ◼   ► 3080 that case that I'm very jealous of this

01:16:05 ◼   ► That card is not black. That's like a dark silver, but it looks awesome

01:16:10 ◼   ► And it's got a bunch of RGB in it because I think if you build a PC you might as well really build a PC

01:16:16 ◼   ► And have a bunch of color in it so when I run it

01:16:19 ◼   ► It's like cycling through colors all the time and it looks it looks wild

01:16:22 ◼   ► And it is like Myke's it is my

01:16:25 ◼   ► streaming PC and it serves double duty as I

01:16:30 ◼   ► Record onto it from my overhead table. So we're gonna get a regular video not a live stream and there's overhead shot

01:16:36 ◼   ► I recorded the same camera I use

01:16:38 ◼   ► for live streams, but I just record it on the PC directly and then transfer it off and

01:16:43 ◼   ► It is rock-solid and I have no need to touch it. Even though I always want to like tinker with it because it's fun

01:16:50 ◼   ► It'll be a machine that I can use for for years and years to come you should do you should do some real gamer

01:16:57 ◼   ► Gaming yeah on that on that should you should do some real with the 3080 you should do. I don't know Steven

01:17:02 ◼   ► I could see you you know playing cyberpunk for example on it. Yeah, I mean you could at least play flight sim Oregon Trail

01:17:08 ◼   ► Nope, that's not the kind of thing. We're talking about age of empires golden. Eye

01:17:13 ◼   ► Age of a virus the fourth one no flight simulator. I don't know GTA online

01:17:21 ◼   ► No nothing yeah, I've wanted to do GTA. I just have no time really makes me sad

01:17:26 ◼   ► Huh. Yeah, yeah man. I've never talked about my...

01:17:31 ◼   ► Granted, it's awesome. Look at you. Steven has bloodlust. Well, it's all

01:17:37 ◼   ► that pent-up dead energy, right? I mean, it's gotta release it somewhere.

01:17:43 ◼   ► Might as well be GTA and be a crime lord. Maybe we should squad up, you know.

01:17:50 ◼   ► join my discord server.

01:17:56 ◼   ► Maybe we can play some GTA when you're here.

01:17:57 ◼   ► Oh my god, this is...

01:17:59 ◼   ► I...

01:18:00 ◼   ► Can you...

01:18:01 ◼   ► Alright.

01:18:02 ◼   ► I'm not gonna...

01:18:04 ◼   ► Like please do not take this the wrong way, right?

01:18:06 ◼   ► I really...

01:18:07 ◼   ► I don't mean this the way it sounds.

01:18:09 ◼   ► But can you play games like that?

01:18:11 ◼   ► Like are you proficient?

01:18:12 ◼   ► What do you mean?

01:18:13 ◼   ► Like have you played many 3D games?

01:18:17 ◼   ► (laughing)

01:18:19 ◼   ► Look, you run around, you steal cars, you do the missions,

01:18:24 ◼   ► you run over people on the sidewalk.

01:18:26 ◼   ► What more is there to do?

01:18:27 ◼   ► I'm bad at games or you have to shoot things.

01:18:30 ◼   ► I'm not fast enough.

01:18:31 ◼   ► Well, that's a massive part of GTA.

01:18:33 ◼   ► Do you like transforming to a different person?

01:18:38 ◼   ► Like, are you one of those people that like,

01:18:39 ◼   ► when you play like a sports game or a shooter,

01:18:42 ◼   ► Like you become someone else and like you yell at the screen like that type of...

01:18:48 ◼   ► You become someone you don't like.

01:18:50 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:18:51 ◼   ► Do you?

01:18:52 ◼   ► Not really.

01:18:53 ◼   ► So you just stay your usual self, you know, calm and collected.

01:18:55 ◼   ► Yeah, just like hanging out, you know, stealing pickup trucks.

01:18:58 ◼   ► That is even...

01:18:59 ◼   ► Stealing ambulances.

01:19:00 ◼   ► That is possibly even more creepy.

01:19:01 ◼   ► Um, okay.

01:19:02 ◼   ► I've become my true self.

01:19:04 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:19:05 ◼   ► I mean, what is even your true self?

01:19:08 ◼   ► A cold blooded assassin as I play GTA.

01:19:10 ◼   ► No, I know shooting is part of GTA, but like it's different than you're playing like Call of Duty or something, right?

01:19:15 ◼   ► It's those sorts of things like first-person shooters

01:19:19 ◼   ► I have no I do not have the skills to survive any time in those games. None of us do. We're too old

01:19:25 ◼   ► Yeah, none of us are 14 anymore. No, none of us

01:19:29 ◼   ► None of us have got that kind of time to get good at that. Speaking of video games

01:19:33 ◼   ► I my next pick is more like it's a it's a category pick

01:19:37 ◼   ► It's my portable consoles in general. Like, I've mentioned this before,

01:19:43 ◼   ► I really feel like the portable console space is having a resurgence right now.

01:19:47 ◼   ► It's amazing to watch what's happening in the portable console space, and I mean,

01:19:53 ◼   ► surely it's because of Nintendo and what they did with the Switch five years ago.

01:19:57 ◼   ► But I want to call out three of them, specifically, obviously my Switch OLED.

01:20:03 ◼   ► It's my...

01:20:05 ◼   ► The Switch is the best. Honestly, it's the best thing Nintendo has done in a long time.

01:20:10 ◼   ► It's so obvious to say I love my Nintendo Switch, but I really do. And the OLED

01:20:15 ◼   ► model is even better because of the bigger screen and the much much better OLED display.

01:20:20 ◼   ► It's gorgeous and it makes even... Speakers are good too. Speakers are good and the kickstand is awesome also and it makes even

01:20:29 ◼   ► questionable games, graphically speaking like

01:20:34 ◼   ► Legends of Arceus look decent enough on the OLED display.

01:20:38 ◼   ► Kinda.

01:20:40 ◼   ► But that's a different discussion. Listen to remaster because we talk about this. But I also want to mention the analog pocket.

01:20:46 ◼   ► Incredible console. Such an incredible thing that the analog folks have done with the pocket. The pocket can play old

01:20:55 ◼   ► Game Boy cartridges. It's incredible what they've done in terms of backwards compatibility.

01:21:01 ◼   ► you can slot in a cartridge from 30 years ago and it'll work. I put in GBA cartridges

01:21:07 ◼   ► for Game Boy Advance games that I played 17, 18 years ago and they still had my save file

01:21:15 ◼   ► on it and everything. I was able to just pick it back up and play the game. But it's not

01:21:21 ◼   ► just that, and it's not just that it looks like a Game Boy and it's got USB-C, it's the

01:21:26 ◼   ► screen. What they have done with that incredible IPS display is just amazing to

01:21:32 ◼   ► look at in person. It makes old games look like what you remember them looking

01:21:38 ◼   ► like. It makes them look perfect, honestly. And it's especially impressive on the

01:21:43 ◼   ► original Game Boy games, not the GBA games that have a different aspect ratio,

01:21:49 ◼   ► but the original Game Boy, with the square aspect ratio. They look incredible

01:21:54 ◼   ► because the Pocket has exactly ten times the resolution of the original Game Boy.

01:22:00 ◼   ► So, you look at those games and they are so crisp and bright and vibrant, it's the wow effect of the

01:22:10 ◼   ► analog Pocket never ceases to impress me. And so, I absolutely love it. I finished Zelda Minish Cap,

01:22:18 ◼   ► which is a GBA game on it a few weeks back and I had a great time and I have a long list of old

01:22:22 ◼   ► games that I want to get into next. Lastly, I love my Aya Neo. I talked about this last week.

01:22:29 ◼   ► It's a portable PC handheld console that lets you play PC games in a Switch-like form factor.

01:22:37 ◼   ► I love that thing, I talked about it last week, so I'll go listen back to that segment. But there's

01:22:42 ◼   ► also a lot of excitement, I think, for portable consoles that are coming out in the future,

01:22:48 ◼   ► in the near future. Aya Neo, they are working on the Aya Neo Next, which is gonna have a much more

01:22:54 ◼   ► powerful integrated graphics. I believe they're gonna use the Ryzen 6500 maybe? Maybe not, it's

01:23:05 ◼   ► the 5800. Anyway, it's gonna be better, more powerful, battery is gonna last longer, and the

01:23:10 ◼   ► joysticks are gonna be better. But there's also the Steam Deck, obviously, coming out next, and

01:23:16 ◼   ► the long-awaited panic playdate. So I really feel like portable consoles are having a moment again

01:23:23 ◼   ► and it's great. If you are someone who loves portable consoles it's a great time

01:23:27 ◼   ► to live right now and I love mine. What a time to be alive as they say. Yes. I don't know if you

01:23:35 ◼   ► know this about me. People probably don't. Might be a bit of a revelation. I like mechanical keyboards.

01:23:42 ◼   ► No way, you're that guy?

01:23:44 ◼   ► Yeah, I've been into them for a while now, mostly in secret.

01:23:47 ◼   ► You know, I didn't want to show my shame.

01:23:50 ◼   ► I didn't know if people would know that about me.

01:23:53 ◼   ► I want to talk about four keyboards that I love.

01:23:56 ◼   ► I'm not really going to talk about them in any...

01:23:57 ◼   ► So like you build Logitech keyboards, right?

01:24:00 ◼   ► Yeah, so one is by Razer.

01:24:02 ◼   ► They make the real true mechanical keyboards the best you can find on the market.

01:24:07 ◼   ► Nice.

01:24:08 ◼   ► You want to get the Razer Huntsman Mini with the red optical switches.

01:24:13 ◼   ► That's a popular brand. I've heard of it. It must be good.

01:24:16 ◼   ► Yep, because you really got to get the speeds for when you need to do the 180 kill shots.

01:24:21 ◼   ► Nice.

01:24:22 ◼   ► Because you got to make sure you go for the optical switches.

01:24:24 ◼   ► There's absolutely no resistance.

01:24:26 ◼   ► That way you can really steal some cars just like Stephen Lake's.

01:24:32 ◼   ► Outside of that, my favorite keyboards.

01:24:36 ◼   ► My favorite keyboard of the year last year that was released is by a company called Mode

01:24:42 ◼   ► Designs and the Mode 65 is a really really wonderful keyboard, 65% keyboard.

01:24:48 ◼   ► What I really liked about this is you had loads and loads of options so you could really

01:24:51 ◼   ► configure this keyboard the way that you would want from an aesthetic perspective and also

01:24:55 ◼   ► from like sound and feel perspective.

01:24:59 ◼   ► If you become well versed enough you can kind of understand how different materials can

01:25:04 ◼   ► change the feel of a keyboard.

01:25:05 ◼   ► I really loved the Mod 65, it was a bit of a watershed moment in the keyboard hobby community

01:25:10 ◼   ► because it was like, you can actually configure this and buy it and you wait a few months

01:25:14 ◼   ► and you get it.

01:25:16 ◼   ► I will say that the mechanical keyboard community is in its infancy from a logistical standpoint

01:25:24 ◼   ► and this was I think a pretty important moment.

01:25:27 ◼   ► There's a keyboard called the J01 which I really love.

01:25:31 ◼   ► It sounds very very much like an old IBM keyboard.

01:25:35 ◼   ► It's really amazing the way that it's built.

01:25:38 ◼   ► They basically made these acoustic channels in the aluminium so it has a real deep sound.

01:25:42 ◼   ► I love it, it's fantastic.

01:25:43 ◼   ► And it also has a pen rail on top which I think is cute.

01:25:47 ◼   ► The Rama U80, this is the first serious keyboard that I bought.

01:25:51 ◼   ► And it's the one I've got in front of me right now while I'm recording today.

01:25:55 ◼   ► a big hefty this this this keyboard that I have it weighs 8 pounds is that is

01:26:04 ◼   ► that a lot that is Federico 3.6 kilograms oh I gather you're into lifting

01:26:11 ◼   ► weights but that seems a bit excessive it's a hefty it's a hefty boy you know

01:26:15 ◼   ► and then also another people that I enjoy is from previously I mentioned

01:26:19 ◼   ► mode designs is the mode 80 they're like four of my favorites if I just had four

01:26:24 ◼   ► If I only had four keyboards, these are the four that I would choose.

01:26:28 ◼   ► And that is...

01:26:29 ◼   ► What a hardship that would be.

01:26:30 ◼   ► That is just a percentage of the keyboards I own.

01:26:33 ◼   ► That is a very specific question.

01:26:35 ◼   ► Like, you're stuck on an island and you can only get four keyboards.

01:26:39 ◼   ► Yes, it must be four, minimum.

01:26:41 ◼   ► Do you not understand?

01:26:42 ◼   ► Useful information to have.

01:26:43 ◼   ► I mean, for the way that I live my life, because I'm a weirdo,

01:26:46 ◼   ► I do have three keyboards in use on a daily basis.

01:26:50 ◼   ► Like, that's just the way that I live my weird life.

01:26:53 ◼   ► Does that count the Apple One taped to the underside of your desk?

01:26:56 ◼   ► No, that's number four.

01:26:58 ◼   ► Do they have all these keyboards, do they have like a very specific slot in your circadian rhythm during the day?

01:27:07 ◼   ► Like for example the J01 in the morning and the Rama in the afternoon, like...

01:27:13 ◼   ► No, it's mostly about my physical placement at any one time.

01:27:16 ◼   ► Got it, okay.

01:27:17 ◼   ► You know? Where am I, what desk am I on, what am I doing? That kind of stuff.

01:27:22 ◼   ► Right.

01:27:22 ◼   ► Because as I said, I'm a weirdo.

01:27:25 ◼   ► Honestly, I feel like this is like what I love about these hobbies

01:27:30 ◼   ► is that on the internet any niche is big enough

01:27:33 ◼   ► and any community can be big enough to find other people like you

01:27:37 ◼   ► so nobody is a weirdo anymore, really, when you think about it.

01:27:41 ◼   ► Some people are, but by and large you can find your tribe, as they say.

01:27:46 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:27:47 ◼   ► You know?

01:27:48 ◼   ► Yeah, you can be into any, you know, what maybe one... what some people may have called

01:27:55 ◼   ► in the past "weird hobby" and you're not weird anymore because there's others like you.

01:28:00 ◼   ► And you know, you know you've found your community when you have a good time talking to other

01:28:06 ◼   ► folks on an online forum board.

01:28:08 ◼   ► I... just a few months back I asked...

01:28:12 ◼   ► I was looking to replace... and this sounds totally ridiculous but bear with me...

01:28:15 ◼   ► I was looking to replace the fuse of my DAC,

01:28:19 ◼   ► and I wanted to update to this fancier fuse.

01:28:25 ◼   ► Of course.

01:28:27 ◼   ► I found someone on a forum that did this exact same thing,

01:28:33 ◼   ► and I posted about it like a few weeks before.

01:28:38 ◼   ► And I wanted to confirm that the voltage

01:28:40 ◼   ► that the fuse supported was OK for my DAC,

01:28:44 ◼   ► And it was an extremely long shot.

01:28:46 ◼   ► It was like, you know what I'm going to do?

01:28:48 ◼   ► I'm going to create an account just to ask this question

01:28:52 ◼   ► to this random person on the internet

01:28:54 ◼   ► that also did this operation to his DAC replacing the fuse.

01:28:59 ◼   ► And David from Germany was very kind in replying to me

01:29:04 ◼   ► like a couple of days later.

01:29:07 ◼   ► And I got the fuse a couple of days ago,

01:29:09 ◼   ► and it totally works.

01:29:11 ◼   ► And yeah, being a weirdo with a weird hobby

01:29:15 ◼   ► on the internet these days is beautiful.

01:29:17 ◼   ► So keyboards, music, whatever, you know, sound sticks,

01:29:22 ◼   ► anything works.

01:29:24 ◼   ► - We live in truly wonderful times.

01:29:26 ◼   ► - Steven.

01:29:29 ◼   ► - Yes.

01:29:30 ◼   ► - We're back to you.

01:29:31 ◼   ► - I wanted to pick something old.

01:29:32 ◼   ► This is actually the first thing that's like came to mind

01:29:35 ◼   ► when you brought this to us the other day.

01:29:40 ◼   ► So I'm gonna go back in time a little bit

01:29:41 ◼   ► and choose the HP Mini 1000.

01:29:43 ◼   ► - I thought this was a joke

01:29:45 ◼   ► when you put this into iMessage thread.

01:29:47 ◼   ► - No, me too.

01:29:48 ◼   ► - I was not expecting to see it in the show notes today.

01:29:51 ◼   ► Do you remember netbooks?

01:29:53 ◼   ► - Yes.

01:29:54 ◼   ► - Netbooks aren't better at anything.

01:29:56 ◼   ► Yes, I remember netbooks.

01:29:58 ◼   ► - Exactly.

01:30:01 ◼   ► The HP Mini 1000 was the best netbook.

01:30:03 ◼   ► It has this awesome edge to edge keyboard,

01:30:06 ◼   ► which I still think looks,

01:30:08 ◼   ► I still think this computer looks pretty good.

01:30:10 ◼   ► And it had just the right amount of hardware

01:30:14 ◼   ► that you could hackintosh it.

01:30:16 ◼   ► Now the Dell Mini 9 was really the one to get.

01:30:19 ◼   ► I ended up with one of those later.

01:30:20 ◼   ► But I have this post from 2009 that I wrote,

01:30:23 ◼   ► putting Leopard on this HP Mini 1000.

01:30:26 ◼   ► - Hackintosh, baby.

01:30:28 ◼   ► - Mm-hmm.

01:30:29 ◼   ► Running Leopard on a netbook.

01:30:31 ◼   ► What a time to be alive.

01:30:33 ◼   ► And I mean, I like the design of this thing.

01:30:35 ◼   ► I think the keyboard was pretty great.

01:30:37 ◼   ► trackpad looks bad and was bad but it was like the first time I sort of like

01:30:42 ◼   ► tried something like really nerdy with OS X and making this thing boot into it

01:30:47 ◼   ► was like a fun project and I don't know it's I had like fond memories of this

01:30:52 ◼   ► little project so I wanted to throw that out there for for everybody.

01:30:56 ◼   ► I see this keyboard, you got any pictures? No, this blog post has no photos.

01:31:00 ◼   ► There's a link to Wired in the show notes.

01:31:02 ◼   ► You're supposed to be a blogger, you know any pictures? Something like that.

01:31:06 ◼   ► - Yeah, 2009, you know, Wordpress was hard then.

01:31:08 ◼   ► - Didn't have CDN back then.

01:31:10 ◼   ► - In fact, I remember writing this post,

01:31:13 ◼   ► I think I was in class.

01:31:14 ◼   ► - And I think it was called Fork Bomber, so.

01:31:16 ◼   ► - 2009, it probably was still Fork Bomber, yeah.

01:31:20 ◼   ► - All right, my final pick is my--

01:31:22 ◼   ► - I would just like to say, sorry, Steven,

01:31:24 ◼   ► that neither of us really wanted to talk about

01:31:26 ◼   ► your HP thing, I just wanted to just apologize.

01:31:30 ◼   ► - I mean, what really is a computer?

01:31:32 ◼   ► You know, that's what this computer's asking.

01:31:33 ◼   ► - It is true, it's true.

01:31:35 ◼   ► So I love my PlayStation 5. More specifically, I love the expandability of my PS5. More specifically,

01:31:45 ◼   ► again, I love the M2 SSD upgrade of my PS5, which is an operation that I recently performed

01:31:53 ◼   ► over the holiday break in January. And there's a video on YouTube, but basically you can

01:31:59 ◼   ► expand the built-in storage of a PS5 with an M.2 SSD. I got the Samsung, what's it called,

01:32:06 ◼   ► the 980 Pro SSD with the hitsync. It's recommended that you get the SSD with the hitsync, and

01:32:16 ◼   ► you gotta get a specific size, but it's fine, you can follow those specifics online. This

01:32:24 ◼   ► That adds 2TB of storage to my PS5, and it lets me play games stored on the SSD at full

01:32:31 ◼   ► speeds.

01:32:32 ◼   ► So, there's a video that I watched on how to open up a PS5 and install the SSD, even

01:32:38 ◼   ► for someone not like I don't necessarily consider myself a "manual" person, in terms of like

01:32:45 ◼   ► dealing with screws and small components and things.

01:32:48 ◼   ► I've gotten better at it.

01:32:50 ◼   ► For example, I replaced the fuse of my DAC.

01:32:52 ◼   ► So I felt very accomplished there.

01:32:55 ◼   ► But with the M2 SSD, it was easy enough.

01:32:58 ◼   ► You open up the PS5, you remove the faceplates, there's a few screws that you need to unscrew,

01:33:03 ◼   ► and then you get access to the expansion slot.

01:33:05 ◼   ► And these M2 SSDs, they're really small.

01:33:07 ◼   ► And it's incredible what 2TB can look like these days.

01:33:12 ◼   ► It's the size, it's slightly taller than a credit card, basically.

01:33:17 ◼   ► And you just slot it in, you wait for the click, and then you close the PS5, you boot

01:33:21 ◼   ► it back up, you run through a guided process to format the drive, and then you're good

01:33:27 ◼   ► to go. And there's nothing else about it. And I love it, and I can now download all

01:33:32 ◼   ► the games I want, and I will get to them eventually, but that's a different problem. But yeah,

01:33:37 ◼   ► expand it.

01:33:40 ◼   ► It's just a box full of stuff you're not going to do, which is hilarious. I have increased

01:33:45 ◼   ► more storage, so I can save more games to my PlayStation 5 that I won't apply.

01:33:49 ◼   ► - Why do you think people get like a bigger desk

01:33:53 ◼   ► or a bigger drawer or a bigger closet?

01:33:55 ◼   ► Just to make you feel safe.

01:33:56 ◼   ► Exactly, it makes you feel safe

01:33:58 ◼   ► that all your stuff is on it.

01:34:01 ◼   ► - You have room to expand.

01:34:02 ◼   ► - Then it doesn't matter

01:34:03 ◼   ► what you're gonna do with the stuff.

01:34:05 ◼   ► But as long as it's organized and stored somewhere,

01:34:09 ◼   ► that's what counts.

01:34:10 ◼   ► And so I, you know,

01:34:12 ◼   ► it's nice that Sony is letting you do this.

01:34:14 ◼   ► And it's nice that they're not forcing you

01:34:17 ◼   ► to purchase a proprietary thing.

01:34:19 ◼   ► like Microsoft does for the Xbox.

01:34:21 ◼   ► So yeah, M2 SSD.

01:34:23 ◼   ► - With the heat sink.

01:34:24 ◼   ► - With the heat sink, with the heat sink.

01:34:26 ◼   ► - It's important.

01:34:27 ◼   ► - So you gotta get the heat, you gotta get the heat out.

01:34:29 ◼   ► You know, too much God of War.

01:34:30 ◼   ► - It's gotta go somewhere.

01:34:32 ◼   ► - It's gotta go somewhere.

01:34:33 ◼   ► - Speaking of heat, Myke.

01:34:35 ◼   ► - I would like to recommend my soldering iron, the TS-ATP.

01:34:39 ◼   ► Kind of goes hand in hand with the previous pick.

01:34:44 ◼   ► This is a USB-C powered soldering iron.

01:34:47 ◼   ► It's awesome.

01:34:49 ◼   ► It heats up super quickly.

01:34:51 ◼   ► - Can plug it into the iPad Pro and solder stuff.

01:34:53 ◼   ► - You need power delivery.

01:34:55 ◼   ► - So what you're saying is you can't get real soldering done

01:34:57 ◼   ► with an iPad.

01:34:58 ◼   ► - Very true.

01:35:02 ◼   ► - Add it to the list of things you cannot do on an iPad.

01:35:04 ◼   ► - Very true.

01:35:05 ◼   ► I actually now want to know,

01:35:08 ◼   ► will the Mac power it where the iPad wouldn't?

01:35:11 ◼   ► Now that would be an intriguing thing.

01:35:13 ◼   ► I don't think anything would.

01:35:15 ◼   ► I got one of those little anchor gang plug things for this.

01:35:19 ◼   ► I really love it, it's got a little screen on it.

01:35:21 ◼   ► You can set the temperature

01:35:23 ◼   ► and it heats up incredibly quickly.

01:35:26 ◼   ► It's a lovely little tool.

01:35:27 ◼   ► It's very small, very compact.

01:35:30 ◼   ► I love my little soldering iron.

01:35:31 ◼   ► I did burn myself pretty badly on it once,

01:35:33 ◼   ► but it's all okay, you know, that's gonna happen.

01:35:36 ◼   ► - I like on the Amazon page,

01:35:38 ◼   ► there's a picture of someone putting it

01:35:40 ◼   ► in their shirt pocket.

01:35:41 ◼   ► - Sure.

01:35:42 ◼   ► - Don't do that with a soldering iron.

01:35:44 ◼   ► Why not?

01:35:45 ◼   ► They call that.

01:35:46 ◼   ► Why not?

01:35:47 ◼   ► It's not constantly on.

01:35:48 ◼   ► It can be a classy accessory.

01:35:51 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:35:52 ◼   ► Get a little pocket protector.

01:35:53 ◼   ► Don't you ever find yourself, "Hey, I want to go to the bar, but also I don't want to

01:35:56 ◼   ► leave my soldering iron behind."

01:35:58 ◼   ► What if somebody needs some soldering at the bar?

01:36:00 ◼   ► I'll be ready.

01:36:01 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:36:02 ◼   ► I want to go out and about with my soldering iron.

01:36:05 ◼   ► Sir, do you have a pen I can borrow?

01:36:07 ◼   ► No, but I have this.

01:36:08 ◼   ► You just say, "Get a battery bank with you and you're ready to roll at a moment's notice."

01:36:13 ◼   ► - Do you have a GaN charger?

01:36:14 ◼   ► - Excuse me.

01:36:16 ◼   ► - GaN.

01:36:17 ◼   ► - Yeah, no, this is cool.

01:36:19 ◼   ► And I think it's cool that you've gotten into it

01:36:21 ◼   ► and know how to do it

01:36:22 ◼   ► and that it's more accessible than ever.

01:36:25 ◼   ► I think that's really the coolest thing.

01:36:27 ◼   ► I think soldering used to like

01:36:29 ◼   ► kind of be off limits to some people

01:36:31 ◼   ► 'cause the equipment was expensive

01:36:33 ◼   ► or they still didn't know how easy it was

01:36:35 ◼   ► or how approachable it could be

01:36:37 ◼   ► and products like this make it easier

01:36:39 ◼   ► for people to get into it.

01:36:40 ◼   ► - Yeah, but then you go to another piece of equipment

01:36:42 ◼   ► I have, which is the Hakko FR301 vacuum desoldering tool.

01:36:48 ◼   ► It's a gun, basically.

01:36:54 ◼   ► You can't put this in your shirt pocket.

01:36:56 ◼   ► You can in America.

01:36:57 ◼   ► It is a soldering iron with a vacuum on it.

01:37:03 ◼   ► So you are able to remove the solder that you've put down on the keyboard.

01:37:08 ◼   ► That thing was like $400.

01:37:12 ◼   ► Oh so wait, it goes both ways? You can solder stuff and you can remove the solder from stuff?

01:37:17 ◼   ► You could technically solder with it but I wouldn't recommend it. You would probably

01:37:24 ◼   ► really struggle. This one, it is basically so you can desolder things. So like you heat

01:37:30 ◼   ► the solder with the iron and then you press a trigger and the vacuum sucks it in.

01:37:38 ◼   ► All these things you're doing are very dangerous.

01:37:41 ◼   ► is an element of danger to a lot of it especially when I'm using leaded solder I mean that's

01:37:45 ◼   ► just a danger of its own you know it's just like I'll breathe in all these fumes you know

01:37:50 ◼   ► so you know there's an element of danger. We need a tiny fan. Are you breathing in the

01:37:55 ◼   ► fumes? I have a little fan that my friend Ian made for me like out of a PC fan that

01:38:00 ◼   ► extracts the fumes at least I hope it does. We don't want you to get hurt you know. Yeah

01:38:05 ◼   ► I know right. You gotta continue the podcast. I mean well someone's gotta someone's gotta

01:38:10 ◼   ► all this stuff, you know what I mean?

01:38:12 ◼   ► If you want to find links to the stuff we spoke about,

01:38:15 ◼   ► head on over to the website relay.fm/connected/385.

01:38:20 ◼   ► There you can get in touch via email to follow up,

01:38:25 ◼   ► follow up on something or send us feedback.

01:38:27 ◼   ► Those come to me, I like to read them.

01:38:29 ◼   ► Sometimes I share them on the show.

01:38:30 ◼   ► You can also leave feedback online.

01:38:32 ◼   ► You can find all of us on Twitter.

01:38:34 ◼   ► You can find Myke on Twitter as I-M-Y-K-E.

01:38:37 ◼   ► He hosts a bunch of other shows here on Relay FM.

01:38:40 ◼   ► Myke, anything fun coming up?

01:38:42 ◼   ► Wow, that silence! Okay!

01:38:45 ◼   ► Sometimes I don't know how to answer!

01:38:48 ◼   ► Oh, Federico mentioned remaster.

01:38:50 ◼   ► If you are interested in, or you've played, or whatever the new Pokemon game, Legends Arceus, go check out remaster for our review of it.

01:38:58 ◼   ► Or Arceus. There's a debate as to what's the correct pronunciation.

01:39:02 ◼   ► I think the debate has been settled, but the problem is it was settled too late, so everyone now calls it Arceus when it is actually Arceus.

01:39:09 ◼   ► but they shouldn't have left us out in the cold

01:39:11 ◼   ► to work out on our own.

01:39:12 ◼   ► - That's also part of the episode by the way, so.

01:39:16 ◼   ► - Yeah, spoilers.

01:39:17 ◼   ► - Yeah, I know, I know.

01:39:18 ◼   ► - You can find Federico on Twitter at Vittiti, V-I-T-I-C-C-I.

01:39:23 ◼   ► He's the editor-in-chief of MaxStories.net

01:39:25 ◼   ► and is on that remaster episode.

01:39:27 ◼   ► So go check that out.

01:39:28 ◼   ► - Go check that out.

01:39:29 ◼   ► - I just pressed publish on it.

01:39:30 ◼   ► I figured might as well as to put it in show notes.

01:39:32 ◼   ► - Hot off the presses.

01:39:33 ◼   ► - Yeah, hot off the presses.

01:39:35 ◼   ► - Get the hot bits in the way

01:39:38 ◼   ► Get the fresh new bits the way that the artist intended.

01:39:43 ◼   ► While the badge still works.

01:39:45 ◼   ► (laughing)

01:39:47 ◼   ► That's it, that's the podcast.

01:39:52 ◼   ► That's it.

01:39:54 ◼   ► You can find me on Twitter as ismh

01:39:57 ◼   ► and I write over at 512pixels.net.

01:40:00 ◼   ► Check out Sunday's episode of MPU.

01:40:03 ◼   ► It's all about the stream deck

01:40:04 ◼   ► and we recorded it yesterday and it's really good.

01:40:06 ◼   ► So that'll be up this weekend.

01:40:08 ◼   ► - Don't like break the stream like that.

01:40:11 ◼   ► Don't tell people you're, you know,

01:40:12 ◼   ► and they're not gonna know, right?

01:40:14 ◼   ► Don't tell it like, that's not the artist.

01:40:17 ◼   ► Think about how the artist intends the episode.

01:40:19 ◼   ► Like it can come out at any time.

01:40:21 ◼   ► - I am the artist.

01:40:22 ◼   ► - Oh, and do you intend it to be that way?

01:40:25 ◼   ► - I mean, I said it, so yeah.

01:40:26 ◼   ► - Interesting, okay.

01:40:27 ◼   ► - I mean, what's intention really, if you think about it?

01:40:29 ◼   ► - That's a really good point.

01:40:31 ◼   ► - How do you know what you're gonna say before you say it?

01:40:33 ◼   ► Can you even know what you're gonna say before you say it?

01:40:35 ◼   ► you know what as you're saying right is everything predetermined right do you do

01:40:40 ◼   ► you really have do you have free will on a podcast when you have show notes in

01:40:44 ◼   ► front of you and what what if and that like I want to explore at some point

01:40:51 ◼   ► like episode like podcasting and Plato's cave metaphor like it's a whole thing

01:40:57 ◼   ► we'll talk about it.

01:40:59 ◼   ► Will we?

01:41:00 ◼   ► Yes, we will.

01:41:01 ◼   ► I'm not sure we will.

01:41:03 ◼   ► Subscribe to Connected Pro so that we can talk about philosophy and PLATO and all of

01:41:10 ◼   ► this in the future.

01:41:12 ◼   ► You can get Connected Pro right there on the Connected webpage, on the Relay website.

01:41:17 ◼   ► Connected Pro members.

01:41:18 ◼   ► I like your webpage.

01:41:23 ◼   ► once stopped me at WWDC in person and said, "Hey, you're lit." I'm mimicking, but it points

01:41:32 ◼   ► fingers at me. It's like, "You're..." and it's doing the thing. "I like your web page." Thanks?

01:41:41 ◼   ► I appreciate it. So I like your web page, Steven.

01:41:44 ◼   ► So Connected Pro members get longer ad-free versions of the show. This week I talked about

01:41:49 ◼   ► fire trucks in my neighborhood, and we're gonna pick titles in a minute. So lots of

01:41:52 ◼   ► fun stuff in connected pro it will make a lot more sense for why steven left the show

01:41:57 ◼   ► for a little bit you know if you want to understand the full context of this episode everyone's

01:42:03 ◼   ► fine that sounds bad like it sounds worse than it was but we did say the power was out

01:42:08 ◼   ► like i was giving you haven't heard this yet but i was giving frequent updates okay man

01:42:15 ◼   ► you see you've broken the time stream now now we've both done it now who's a variant

01:42:18 ◼   ► time is relative anyway we can get into this in the future don't worry about it we'll talk

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01:42:28 ◼   ► Indeed, Smile, and Memberful. Until next week guys, say goodbye. That's it. That's my

01:42:33 ◼   ► goodbye. Cheerio. Bye y'all.