Connected

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00:00:08 ◼   ► Hello and welcome to Connected, episode 394.

00:00:12 ◼   ► It's made possible this week by our sponsors FitBod, Squarespace, and Capital One.

00:00:18 ◼   ► My name is Stephen Hackett and I have the pleasure of introducing Mr. Myke Hurley.

00:00:22 ◼   ► It is a pleasure of being introduced by Mr. Stephen Hackett and I have the pleasure of introducing Federico Ficci... Oh, geez.

00:00:29 ◼   ► Oh jeez. Oh god. Oh, he messed it up, didn't he?

00:00:33 ◼   ► Hello Federico Djidjevic. Welcome to the episode.

00:00:37 ◼   ► Ciao Myke. I'm so sorry. I'm working

00:00:41 ◼   ► at like 60% capacity today. Why?

00:00:45 ◼   ► I don't feel very well. Oh no. Dun dun dun.

00:00:49 ◼   ► Is it the 'rona? I'll find out this evening when I take a lateral

00:00:53 ◼   ► flow test. Oh no. But I have declined

00:00:57 ◼   ► throughout the course of the day. So find out next time. Declined is not a

00:01:04 ◼   ► good word when it comes to your health. Yeah, it's true though. Like I started

00:01:09 ◼   ► off today fine and as the day has gone on I feel worse and worse. I've had

00:01:13 ◼   ► migraines. I'm a little short of breath at times, you know. It's not great. Yeah, you

00:01:17 ◼   ► got it. You don't know I got it. I could have lots of things, you know. We'll find

00:01:22 ◼   ► out, you know, like follow up. Maybe by the time this episode is

00:01:26 ◼   ► posted we couldn't we can let the world know if I have coronavirus or not. What

00:01:32 ◼   ► if we build one of those websites it's like a does Myke have COVID uh-huh it's

00:01:36 ◼   ► just a giant yes or a giant no in the middle of it I mean but that would

00:01:39 ◼   ► assume that I am always in a situation where this is like like this likely for

00:01:44 ◼   ► me you know I guess that's true for everybody huh have you tried the nasal

00:01:50 ◼   ► spray no I think went in the trash man Joe underscore the best person in the

00:01:56 ◼   ► world this like I'm gonna talk about which is with later on Dave sent me a

00:02:00 ◼   ► text like last Thursday morning and he's like you okay you sounded like you

00:02:04 ◼   ► really messed yourself up the only person to ask me you know why I love

00:02:09 ◼   ► Dave he's so hot he's just such a big heart he's like you sounded like you

00:02:13 ◼   ► really messed yourself up when connected last week you doing okay yeah man I'm

00:02:17 ◼   ► fine I'm fine well I thought it was all for the show like you were actually sick

00:02:20 ◼   ► Oh, well, I wasn't sick. I just didn't feel great after spraying the old nasal spray up my nose. Yeah.

00:02:26 ◼   ► I thought it was just the... I thought you were in character at the time.

00:02:30 ◼   ► Well, I mean, I had a headache. I mean, I have a headache a lot after this show because we scream so much, you know?

00:02:36 ◼   ► Right, right, right.

00:02:37 ◼   ► But it was definitely made worse by the nasal spray.

00:02:40 ◼   ► I've made a page at 512pixels.net/doesmikehavecovid.

00:02:45 ◼   ► Okay.

00:02:45 ◼   ► This is... right now it says "unknown".

00:02:48 ◼   ► I'm gonna say this is cyberbullying.

00:02:52 ◼   ► No, it's not.

00:02:53 ◼   ► It is a type of cyberbullying in the modern age, for sure.

00:02:58 ◼   ► Did you not apply any CSS to this website?

00:03:00 ◼   ► No. No.

00:03:01 ◼   ► Why?

00:03:02 ◼   ► It's a one-word HTML file.

00:03:04 ◼   ► My coronavirus potentiality is not good enough CSS for you.

00:03:09 ◼   ► Yeah, that's a lot of stuff going on.

00:03:12 ◼   ► There has to be, like, think of, like,

00:03:14 ◼   ► saying this sentence three years ago.

00:03:18 ◼   ► My coronavirus possibility is not good enough for CSS for you.

00:03:22 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:03:22 ◼   ► Interesting. Yeah.

00:03:25 ◼   ► I mean, as well, like two years ago, that would have been a much scarier question than today, right?

00:03:32 ◼   ► Thank you, vaccines and modern science.

00:03:34 ◼   ► Yeah, that's true.

00:03:36 ◼   ► I had to do it quickly.

00:03:37 ◼   ► All right, let's do some follow-up, shall we?

00:03:39 ◼   ► So, Lachlan sent in a paragraph from Apple's Environmental Progress Report.

00:03:46 ◼   ► This is about their self-service repair program.

00:03:49 ◼   ► It says, quote, We also announced self-service repair coming later

00:03:53 ◼   ► this year for iPhone 12 and iPhone 13

00:03:56 ◼   ► for customers who are comfortable completing their own repairs.

00:04:00 ◼   ► The program will start in the US and offer access to genuine Apple parts

00:04:04 ◼   ► and tools, as well as a repair manual for the most common repairs.

00:04:07 ◼   ► We'll be expanding the program to more products, starting with Mac computers

00:04:12 ◼   ► featuring M1 chips and additional countries throughout 2022.

00:04:16 ◼   ► Following a repair, customers who send in their used parts for recycling will receive

00:04:21 ◼   ► credit back from their purchase.

00:04:24 ◼   ► This was originally started as happening in early 2022.

00:04:27 ◼   ► It's now, what month is it?

00:04:30 ◼   ► April?

00:04:31 ◼   ► And it's coming later this year.

00:04:33 ◼   ► Also we have other countries later this year.

00:04:35 ◼   ► So busy year for the self-service repair program that is yet to launch.

00:04:41 ◼   ► starting in the US doesn't usually inspire a ton of confidence to us European users.

00:04:47 ◼   ► But they do say, like other countries, which I don't know how they're going to do all of this.

00:04:51 ◼   ► Honestly, this sounds like a very busy schedule, especially if later in the year

00:04:56 ◼   ► they also have this massive rollout of multiple new Mac computers and new iPad pros, iPhones,

00:05:03 ◼   ► Mac computers.

00:05:04 ◼   ► iPhones, iPads, the new Apple Watch with a new version, and also this new, what is called

00:05:11 ◼   ► SSP, self-service repair. I mean, we'll see, right? Uh, Steven, now you're gonna, you're

00:05:17 ◼   ► gonna do something with this, right? You're gonna, you know, definitely you are a handy

00:05:22 ◼   ► person. I've still planned on replacing the screen on my iPhone. Right. You can do that.

00:05:29 ◼   ► Well, you could use a big apple buddy to get the parts from the US, even if you live in

00:05:34 ◼   ► the UK. I have my own big apple buddies. What's your big apple buddy? Steven. And John. Oh,

00:05:40 ◼   ► - Oh John, yeah.

00:05:41 ◼   ► Can I, is it okay for me to use John?

00:05:44 ◼   ► I feel like, you know, is he not exclusive to you?

00:05:46 ◼   ► - No, no, no, you can use John.

00:05:48 ◼   ► Anyone can use John.

00:05:49 ◼   ► - Anyone you say?

00:05:51 ◼   ► - Well, provided I make an intro, you know?

00:05:53 ◼   ► It's like, well, it's one of those type of services.

00:05:56 ◼   ► - This is uncomfortable.

00:05:57 ◼   ► - I make an intro and then you can use John's services.

00:06:00 ◼   ► You know?

00:06:01 ◼   ► - D Cookie in the Discord has provided me

00:06:04 ◼   ► with some inline styling for the Myke COVID page.

00:06:08 ◼   ► - Okay.

00:06:09 ◼   ► fresh now it's all centered and stuff. So this is now I think that we have just

00:06:13 ◼   ► accepted the Myke Covid page. Stephen how bad are you gonna feel if you have to

00:06:19 ◼   ► change that to yes? I'm gonna feel pretty bad. Yeah because you did this you know.

00:06:24 ◼   ► No I mean technically I didn't. No technically you did create this website.

00:06:28 ◼   ► Yeah but I mean you know. You created the website. It's now a

00:06:33 ◼   ► communal effort. No. It's me, it's D cookie and it's pandemic all working together.

00:06:39 ◼   ► In general, in general, Covid is a communal effort.

00:06:42 ◼   ► Of good and bad.

00:06:46 ◼   ► That's true.

00:06:47 ◼   ► It's always a communal effort.

00:06:49 ◼   ► That's true.

00:06:49 ◼   ► I have important follow-up about my desk from many real users, you know.

00:06:55 ◼   ► Oh, here we go, Federico.

00:06:57 ◼   ► Alright, here we go. Yeah, yeah. The disorganized people have chimed in, okay.

00:07:03 ◼   ► This comes from Illustro.

00:07:05 ◼   ► Myke's daisy chain power strips aren't fire hazards.

00:07:10 ◼   ► UK-style plugs have fuses in them, even on power strips.

00:07:13 ◼   ► Unlike American ones, those fuses provide appliance side protection and stop the cables

00:07:18 ◼   ► from drawing too much current, preventing fires.

00:07:21 ◼   ► Jamie also sent in a technology connections video on this very subject.

00:07:27 ◼   ► Nobody is going to argue with technology connections.

00:07:30 ◼   ► So you can argue with me.

00:07:31 ◼   ► You know what fuses can't stop though?

00:07:34 ◼   ► Ugliness.

00:07:35 ◼   ► Well, so on that note, Keegan sent in an incredible tweet thread of messy desks, people with messy

00:07:44 ◼   ► desks, or you know, maybe genius artists, visionaries, like the first one being Steve

00:07:51 ◼   ► Jobs.

00:07:52 ◼   ► You can take a look at his messy desk there.

00:07:54 ◼   ► So you are comparing yourself to Steve Jobs?

00:07:55 ◼   ► Yes.

00:07:56 ◼   ► Okay, we have reached that point.

00:07:57 ◼   ► Okay.

00:07:58 ◼   ► I mean, it felt like an inevitability at a certain point.

00:08:01 ◼   ► But now, it's right there.

00:08:03 ◼   ► That group of people, you, Steve Jobs, Walt Disney I see, you know, just this regular

00:08:09 ◼   ► group of people.

00:08:10 ◼   ► I am at the intersection of messiness and podcasting.

00:08:17 ◼   ► Right, which is basically an intersection with just you, that you have invented.

00:08:22 ◼   ► Just you standing there at the intersection.

00:08:24 ◼   ► Okay, messiness and genius, which is all of these people here, along with me.

00:08:29 ◼   ► My favorite my favorite thing about this thread is the tiny model of the power Mac G5 that's

00:08:34 ◼   ► on Steve's desk.

00:08:35 ◼   ► Yeah, what is that?

00:08:37 ◼   ► I assume it's just some sort of like, internal like this is what this is going to look like.

00:08:41 ◼   ► And he liked it and just put it on his desk.

00:08:43 ◼   ► I think it's great.

00:08:44 ◼   ► I really want one with did Steven did see jobs had a Genelec amp?

00:08:50 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:08:51 ◼   ► Whoa, okay.

00:08:54 ◼   ► The big money stays.

00:08:55 ◼   ► Nice.

00:08:56 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:08:57 ◼   ► Nice tasting music.

00:08:58 ◼   ► No, but he got rid of all of that when he created the iPod Hi-Fi, remember?

00:09:02 ◼   ► Right.

00:09:03 ◼   ► He said, "I threw away all of my audio file gear."

00:09:06 ◼   ► You sacrificed the gen-- sacrificed the gen--

00:09:08 ◼   ► He just-- he took an axe to it.

00:09:09 ◼   ► [laughs]

00:09:10 ◼   ► Bang! I'm done with this now.

00:09:12 ◼   ► That's a 30-inch cinema display. That's the big boy.

00:09:14 ◼   ► Yeah, look how-- look how incredible this desk is.

00:09:16 ◼   ► See, this is the desk of somebody that is too busy to think about, like,

00:09:22 ◼   ► "Oh, my cable management. Oh, oh, oh, oh, my cable--"

00:09:25 ◼   ► But you seem to associate being busy with being good.

00:09:29 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:09:30 ◼   ► Interesting.

00:09:32 ◼   ► Busyness is the source of goodness.

00:09:35 ◼   ► Can I just say that, uh, you know, you know, you guys know how I feel about

00:09:40 ◼   ► platitudes, right?

00:09:41 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:09:42 ◼   ► This is a, this is well worn here.

00:09:44 ◼   ► Well, yeah.

00:09:45 ◼   ► You, you, you like using them in as many podcasts as possible.

00:09:48 ◼   ► I, it upsets me so much that they came up with that intersection of something and

00:09:53 ◼   ► something phrase.

00:09:54 ◼   ► - Mm-hmm.

00:09:55 ◼   ► - Because it is used so much,

00:09:58 ◼   ► the intersection of blah, blah, blah, and blah, blah, blah.

00:10:01 ◼   ► Right, Apple was technology and liberal arts, right?

00:10:05 ◼   ► So many people use it and it drives me mad.

00:10:08 ◼   ► Like, not everyone has to do a thing

00:10:10 ◼   ► because Apple did it, you know?

00:10:12 ◼   ► You know, I don't have to say it.

00:10:13 ◼   ► Oh, I'm at the intersection of this and this.

00:10:16 ◼   ► No, you can just leave it alone.

00:10:18 ◼   ► - And that's how you feel about platitudes.

00:10:20 ◼   ► - That's how I feel about that specific thing, yeah.

00:10:22 ◼   ► - Right, right.

00:10:23 ◼   ► What are you two at the intersection of?

00:10:25 ◼   ► - Me, I mean, at the intersection of Pokémon and tattoos.

00:10:30 ◼   ► I feel like that's my niche.

00:10:32 ◼   ► - I was gonna say tattoos and automation.

00:10:34 ◼   ► - My brother has a Pokémon tattoo, Federico.

00:10:38 ◼   ► Could I tell you that?

00:10:39 ◼   ► - I am planning my next tattoo that is going to involve

00:10:43 ◼   ► like a Pokémon aspect.

00:10:45 ◼   ► - Yes, yes, I love it.

00:10:47 ◼   ► - I'm gonna show you the sketch in private

00:10:50 ◼   ► because I still gotta make an appointment and everything,

00:10:53 ◼   ► but I have the idea. I just gotta make it happen.

00:10:56 ◼   ► - Steven, what are you at the intersection of?

00:10:58 ◼   ► - Old computers and dad energy.

00:11:01 ◼   ► - Yep, big dad energy.

00:11:03 ◼   ► - Okay, so all this to say, the people told you,

00:11:07 ◼   ► some people told you that you were right,

00:11:10 ◼   ► and therefore you wanted us to know

00:11:13 ◼   ► that you feel good about your choices.

00:11:15 ◼   ► - Yeah.

00:11:16 ◼   ► - Okay, we respect that.

00:11:18 ◼   ► We do not accept them.

00:11:19 ◼   ► - You know, I've been looking at my desks

00:11:21 ◼   ► over the last couple of, over the last few days,

00:11:23 ◼   ► over the last week, and I'm like,

00:11:25 ◼   ► these are good, these are good desks.

00:11:28 ◼   ► - As long as it makes you feel good,

00:11:29 ◼   ► like makes you feel good, that's all that matters, right?

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00:14:11 ◼   ► So I have a small topic that I put in the notes now,

00:14:14 ◼   ► and I'm seeing an unintentional through line.

00:14:17 ◼   ► Oh, no.

00:14:18 ◼   ► through the rest of the episode. So I have 5G now.

00:14:20 ◼   ► That's the COVID.

00:14:22 ◼   ► This is genuine. This is a genuine thing.

00:14:27 ◼   ► Yeah, you do, man.

00:14:29 ◼   ► That I have done.

00:14:30 ◼   ► Yeah, well.

00:14:32 ◼   ► Well, are you surprised?

00:14:35 ◼   ► I'm sure you do have 5G now, buddy.

00:14:38 ◼   ► No, I've renewed my phone contract

00:14:41 ◼   ► because I kept going over my data cap.

00:14:44 ◼   ► and I was like, "Ugh, I guess I should just get more data."

00:14:48 ◼   ► And then when I looked at all of the deals,

00:14:51 ◼   ► basically I could get unlimited data

00:14:53 ◼   ► with a, now for the less price than I was paying

00:14:57 ◼   ► for my 12 gigabytes of data a month before,

00:14:59 ◼   ► but now everything's 5G, right?

00:15:01 ◼   ► So I now have 5G, I wasn't holding off for it,

00:15:03 ◼   ► I just didn't care.

00:15:04 ◼   ► And I ended up getting a plan,

00:15:06 ◼   ► I paid for a plan to keep all of my like usage the same

00:15:10 ◼   ► when I travel, 'cause that was another thing.

00:15:12 ◼   ► Another reason I didn't want to change my plan was that, you know, now that the United

00:15:18 ◼   ► Kingdom has left the European Union, a lot of phone companies are trying to charge you

00:15:21 ◼   ► for roaming in the EU again.

00:15:22 ◼   ► Lame.

00:15:23 ◼   ► And my plan was grandfathered in so they wouldn't do that.

00:15:27 ◼   ► But now this new plan that I've got has an extra like little thing, like a benefit of

00:15:33 ◼   ► that you get to use your minutes and data the same no matter where you are.

00:15:38 ◼   ► So I have 5G now, so mostly it's the same and at one point I have 300 megabits down

00:15:45 ◼   ► when I was on a train. It's like amazing. I don't care about the 5G at all, I just wanted

00:15:50 ◼   ► the unlimited data. And it is weird to me how, why now that we can more quickly use

00:15:56 ◼   ► more data has unlimited data plans come back? Like unlimited data plans were not a thing

00:16:01 ◼   ► in the UK for years.

00:16:03 ◼   ► Same here.

00:16:04 ◼   ► And now we have 5G, now you can get unlimited data again. And I don't really understand

00:16:07 ◼   ► why that's the case.

00:16:09 ◼   ► - I think it's a way to charge you more

00:16:12 ◼   ► and so they could pay for all this.

00:16:13 ◼   ► - I'm paying less now than I was before,

00:16:15 ◼   ► but I'm on a two year contract now.

00:16:17 ◼   ► - There it is, right.

00:16:18 ◼   ► Yeah, I mean, it was very similar here in the US

00:16:21 ◼   ► where in the early days of the iPhone,

00:16:23 ◼   ► you could have unlimited data.

00:16:25 ◼   ► And then when tethering, at least how it was here,

00:16:28 ◼   ► if I remember correctly,

00:16:30 ◼   ► once like hotspot and tethering stuff came to iOS natively,

00:16:34 ◼   ► I remember that was a jailbreak.

00:16:35 ◼   ► That's why I ran a jailbreak for years.

00:16:38 ◼   ► And then they're like, well, you can have unlimited data

00:16:42 ◼   ► or you can go to a tier data system

00:16:44 ◼   ► and then you get tethering.

00:16:46 ◼   ► So that was like getting people off unlimited data.

00:16:48 ◼   ► But you're right, now it's back.

00:16:50 ◼   ► That's what we're on.

00:16:51 ◼   ► We've got an unlimited data plan

00:16:53 ◼   ► with two iPhones and an iPad on it and 5G, baby.

00:16:57 ◼   ► So has it revolutionized your life?

00:17:00 ◼   ► Are you making breakthroughs in healthcare and industry?

00:17:02 ◼   ► Oh yeah, like we have zero latency too, you know what I mean?

00:17:06 ◼   ► That's the real benefit.

00:17:08 ◼   ► There's all these ads in the UK by EE,

00:17:11 ◼   ► which is like one of our bigger carriers.

00:17:13 ◼   ► And they're like, "We set up a air traffic control room

00:17:18 ◼   ► in this house and landed a plane."

00:17:20 ◼   ► It's like, this doesn't mean anything, right?

00:17:23 ◼   ► Like I don't understand why this is a thing.

00:17:26 ◼   ► Like, what is the benefit to me with that?

00:17:29 ◼   ► Like, so I can land a plane from my bedroom?

00:17:32 ◼   ► - Yeah, you got this. - If you want to, you can.

00:17:34 ◼   ► - You got it, man.

00:17:35 ◼   ► - I guess so, right?

00:17:37 ◼   ► I guess I should get on that.

00:17:38 ◼   ► - It's aspirational, you know?

00:17:40 ◼   ► Aspirational plane landing from home.

00:17:42 ◼   ► - That's a really good point.

00:17:43 ◼   ► Yeah, that's a good point.

00:17:44 ◼   ► So yeah, I have 5G now.

00:17:46 ◼   ► I wasn't like a particular holdout, but now I have 5G.

00:17:48 ◼   ► You both have 5G, right?

00:17:50 ◼   ► - Yep. - I do.

00:17:51 ◼   ► - But Federico, we don't have the real stuff though, do we?

00:17:55 ◼   ► - Oh no, we don't have millimeter wave.

00:17:57 ◼   ► - Yeah, we have--

00:17:58 ◼   ► - But so few cities in the US have it anyway.

00:18:00 ◼   ► - Yeah.

00:18:01 ◼   ► Myke, I was curious if you've noticed any impact

00:18:03 ◼   ► on battery life, moving, like having that on and working.

00:18:07 ◼   ► - I can't say I have yet,

00:18:12 ◼   ► but it was something that was in my mind.

00:18:15 ◼   ► Like I'm always talking about the excellent battery life

00:18:17 ◼   ► I get on my iPhone, right?

00:18:18 ◼   ► And I also wanted to get that's the case.

00:18:20 ◼   ► But I do wonder if like that might be a millimeter wave thing

00:18:23 ◼   ► more than a regular 5G, I don't know.

00:18:26 ◼   ► I will keep my eye on that though.

00:18:28 ◼   ► I don't think I've had enough real world testing of it.

00:18:32 ◼   ► I've only been in the glory of 5G for like five days.

00:18:35 ◼   ► - The one thing I think it's nice about 5G

00:18:39 ◼   ► is how Apple now lets you do more things on iOS

00:18:42 ◼   ► with cellular data.

00:18:43 ◼   ► Like if you have 5G, you now have fewer restrictions

00:18:47 ◼   ► in terms of doing things like downloading heavy games

00:18:51 ◼   ► and apps from the App Store or installing software updates,

00:18:54 ◼   ► like that kind of stuff.

00:18:56 ◼   ► because of 5G, you can now do it on iOS.

00:18:59 ◼   ► And it's almost like, it kind of makes me laugh

00:19:03 ◼   ► because for years I've had an unlimited 4G data plan

00:19:06 ◼   ► because in Europe, compared to the US,

00:19:09 ◼   ► it's so cheap these days to get unlimited data plans

00:19:12 ◼   ► for relatively cheap, like I pay 20 euros or something

00:19:15 ◼   ► and I have unlimited 5G, which is why.

00:19:17 ◼   ► - Yeah, I pay like 30 pounds and have unlimited 5G.

00:19:20 ◼   ► - Yeah, which whenever I show my screenshots

00:19:24 ◼   ► of my data plan to John is like I'm very jealous of this.

00:19:27 ◼   ► But for years, I've been able to do--

00:19:29 ◼   ► How often do you do that?

00:19:31 ◼   ► Occasionally to make him feel bad.

00:19:32 ◼   ► Ah, fair enough.

00:19:33 ◼   ► Good, good, good, good.

00:19:35 ◼   ► Like for years, I've had the freedom to do this.

00:19:37 ◼   ► But it was only because of 5G that Apple was finally

00:19:40 ◼   ► convinced that it was the time to allow

00:19:42 ◼   ► for more cellular operations on iPhone and iPad, which,

00:19:46 ◼   ► I mean, sure, OK, do what you want.

00:19:49 ◼   ► So at least that aspect of 5G is nice.

00:19:53 ◼   ► Everything else, sometimes I get the really,

00:19:56 ◼   ► really fast speed, like 400 megabit down or whatever,

00:20:01 ◼   ► but it doesn't really matter.

00:20:04 ◼   ► You know, I can't really tell the difference

00:20:06 ◼   ► when I have 4G at 150 megabit down or 5G at 400.

00:20:11 ◼   ► I mean, sure it's fast, but like 4K videos on YouTube

00:20:15 ◼   ► load at the same speed and it doesn't really matter, so.

00:20:20 ◼   ► - All the stuff that I would wanna access on my iPhone

00:20:22 ◼   ► like just on my iPhone when I'm not on wifi.

00:20:26 ◼   ► LTE was fast enough like to download whatever I needed

00:20:29 ◼   ► to download whatever, you know?

00:20:31 ◼   ► But like, and I've, and now like I've noticed

00:20:34 ◼   ► like things I hadn't really paid much attention to before,

00:20:36 ◼   ► I guess 'cause I didn't have 5G, but there's like,

00:20:38 ◼   ► all these things in iOS, right?

00:20:40 ◼   ► Where you can be like, oh, if you want to just download

00:20:42 ◼   ► the software update over 5G instead of wifi or whatever,

00:20:46 ◼   ► which is intriguing to me.

00:20:47 ◼   ► - How about, I don't think I told y'all,

00:20:49 ◼   ► I was kind of kid at a dentist appointment or something

00:20:53 ◼   ► and the iOS beta dropped that had the face ID mask unlock.

00:20:58 ◼   ► I think we were like texting about it.

00:21:01 ◼   ► I was like, oh cool, you know,

00:21:02 ◼   ► I'll download this when I get home.

00:21:04 ◼   ► But then like half an hour later we were leaving

00:21:07 ◼   ► and I got my phone in my pocket

00:21:08 ◼   ► and it was super hot and rebooting.

00:21:11 ◼   ► I didn't know it would download

00:21:13 ◼   ► like the beta update over 5G.

00:21:15 ◼   ► It had just done it in my pocket.

00:21:17 ◼   ► I was like, oh, time to restart.

00:21:19 ◼   ► "Oh, I guess I have this feature now."

00:21:22 ◼   ► - Yeah, I was looking at it the other day.

00:21:24 ◼   ► Hold on, let me bring up the settings

00:21:25 ◼   ► and I'll tell you what it says.

00:21:26 ◼   ► But it's a, you can choose what you want it to do.

00:21:29 ◼   ► So data mode, allow more data on 5G,

00:21:34 ◼   ► may prefer 5G to Wi-Fi and use it for software updates,

00:21:37 ◼   ► automatic iCloud backups and a higher quality media.

00:21:41 ◼   ► - So there was a bit of news from Apple yesterday.

00:21:47 ◼   ► You mentioned Myke, the repair service thing

00:21:51 ◼   ► that had come out in their environmental report.

00:21:53 ◼   ► There's also some press around Apple's recycling program.

00:21:57 ◼   ► Sara Dietschy had a video on her channel

00:21:59 ◼   ► where she got to go to a recycling center

00:22:02 ◼   ► that Apple operates or is involved with.

00:22:06 ◼   ► And Daisy, the phone taking apart robot,

00:22:11 ◼   ► which was, I'm gonna quote here,

00:22:14 ◼   ► "Made from some of Liam's parts,"

00:22:17 ◼   ► which was the original robot.

00:22:18 ◼   ► - I remember us talking about this.

00:22:20 ◼   ► - It's the robot that ate Liam, Daisy ate Liam.

00:22:25 ◼   ► - We had poured one out a couple of years ago,

00:22:27 ◼   ► I guess in 20, four years ago, in 2018,

00:22:30 ◼   ► when this was announced that Daisy was built

00:22:33 ◼   ► from Liam's parts.

00:22:35 ◼   ► Poor Liam.

00:22:36 ◼   ► Wasn't able to do what Daisy can do.

00:22:39 ◼   ► This can do 200 iPhones an hour per robot.

00:22:44 ◼   ► That's 1.2 million phones a year, but it seems like in watching her video and reading some

00:22:51 ◼   ► other stuff that came out yesterday, Apple's not running this program at full speed.

00:22:55 ◼   ► Like they still have capacity to do more even with the current number of of daisy robots

00:23:01 ◼   ► they have.

00:23:03 ◼   ► Daisy is bigger than I expected.

00:23:04 ◼   ► It's like these four massive things sitting at sat next to each other, right?

00:23:09 ◼   ► That was what I took from the video.

00:23:10 ◼   ► Like it's not just like one self-contained little thing.

00:23:13 ◼   ► it's like a whole process of machines but they call it one unit. So you could say it's

00:23:19 ◼   ► daisy-chained. I had a thing I wanted to bring up, I haven't watched this video, because

00:23:24 ◼   ► Sarah was talking at the end, she was talking about the fact that it does 1.2 million phones

00:23:29 ◼   ► a year each daisy machine, it's 200 iPhones an hour but apparently that's not running

00:23:34 ◼   ► at full tilt and Apple want more people to use the trading program so they can recycle

00:23:40 ◼   ► more iPhones, right? So what I feel like if Apple truly really want this, they need to

00:23:48 ◼   ► be more competitive for trade and pricing. Now this is just something that I've been

00:23:52 ◼   ► aware of myself when it comes to selling phones or moving phones on. And I never go for Apple

00:23:59 ◼   ► because I don't think that they give the best deals.

00:24:01 ◼   ► It's too cheap, yeah. They don't give you enough money.

00:24:03 ◼   ► So today, I sat down and looked at this a little bit. So I'll give you some examples.

00:24:10 ◼   ► On Apple's website in the UK, they say they would give up to £490 for an iPhone 12 Pro Max.

00:24:18 ◼   ► So I'm assuming that is a top of the line storage iPhone in perfect condition.

00:24:23 ◼   ► Or good enough to perfect condition, right?

00:24:24 ◼   ► If they could have said they'd give up to.

00:24:27 ◼   ► The same specification on a UK phone trading website called Mazuma, which I've used a bunch,

00:24:34 ◼   ► you will get £595 cash.

00:24:37 ◼   ► Damn, okay.

00:24:39 ◼   ► Apple's 490 is credit.

00:24:42 ◼   ► On the Apple store, yeah, that's not good. If you wanted buy a new phone from

00:24:48 ◼   ► Mazuma, they will give you 654 pounds of credit. So that's 654

00:24:55 ◼   ► compared to 490 in credit.

00:24:57 ◼   ► Why would you choose Apple? Exactly, and I looked at a little bit more 365 pounds

00:25:03 ◼   ► for an iPhone 12 versus £415 cash or £456 in credit. We're using the same thing. It

00:25:12 ◼   ► gets more competitive as devices get older, but in everything I was checking, Apple never

00:25:18 ◼   ► exceeds the credit amount. They will only seem to exceed the cash amount. Where I would

00:25:25 ◼   ► say most people probably would prefer cash, depending on where you are in the process.

00:25:33 ◼   ► I don't know. Or maybe, you know, like, because it feels like Apple is able to pay less because

00:25:40 ◼   ► people were buying the phones on their website and they just want the money off now so they

00:25:44 ◼   ► can buy the phone, right? So they, they, they get to pay credit only and less. So I feel

00:25:51 ◼   ► like if Apple truly wants to get people to recycle their iPhones with them, they should

00:25:58 ◼   ► be paying the most money, they should be outpaying everyone because it benefits them. They get

00:26:04 ◼   ► parts that they can recycle for their own iPhones and/or if an iPhone is in good enough

00:26:11 ◼   ► condition, just sell it on their refurb site, which I'm sure is one of the best places to

00:26:16 ◼   ► get refurbs and I know it's more expensive than everywhere else. So I feel like Apple

00:26:21 ◼   ► should be the logical choice for iPhone trade-in, but they're not and I don't know why and I

00:26:27 ◼   ► I can only feel like when I look at something like this, the only thing I can take away

00:26:32 ◼   ► is, it's money, isn't it? They want more money. And that annoys me because it's like this

00:26:39 ◼   ► side of the company will tell you, you should be recycling. But then the other will say,

00:26:45 ◼   ► yeah, yeah, but we're not going to give you the best deal though because we would like

00:26:48 ◼   ► more money. So that's my thought on this process, which I do find it a little bit disingenuous.

00:26:54 ◼   ► It's also something that I've noticed in Italy, the trading prices from Apple are way too

00:26:59 ◼   ► low and that's why it's often like what I personally do and what my friends do, first

00:27:06 ◼   ► you try to sell your old iPhones or AirPods or iPads in your personal network of friends.

00:27:15 ◼   ► And they're never going to beat private sale, right? And they never should attempt to try

00:27:19 ◼   ► and beat private sale prices because that's like a whole different thing.

00:27:23 ◼   ► Right, but then even if you don't do the private sale there's other websites that

00:27:28 ◼   ► you can use and I'm not talking about eBay but there's tons of other websites

00:27:32 ◼   ► that you can use for third-party trading it's like you just mentioned and the

00:27:36 ◼   ► same happens here in Italy as well it's just not a convenient option to to

00:27:41 ◼   ► trading with Apple so that whole recycling you know policy that they have

00:27:48 ◼   ► and this message that they want to get across, I appreciate it.

00:27:52 ◼   ► I think it's an important thing that they are doing.

00:27:54 ◼   ► But practically speaking,

00:27:56 ◼   ► at least based on the people I know and that I see,

00:27:58 ◼   ► and judging from this conversation,

00:28:00 ◼   ► it seems that the same is happening in the UK.

00:28:02 ◼   ► People are just not doing it

00:28:04 ◼   ► because they want a bit of extra money, if possible.

00:28:08 ◼   ► -So... -Why would you, right?

00:28:10 ◼   ► -Why would you do it? I mean, sure, you would do it

00:28:12 ◼   ► because it's good for the environment.

00:28:14 ◼   ► But, you know, when we're talking about cash,

00:28:17 ◼   ► it's also cash and you gotta entice people somehow you know but like when you use these

00:28:24 ◼   ► companies it's still being recycled okay so that's being sold to someone else right like it's

00:28:30 ◼   ► reused and apple have that choice when you trade in they can either if it's in good enough condition

00:28:36 ◼   ► they're not going to recycle it they're going to refurb and sell it right or they can recycle it

00:28:42 ◼   ► So I just, you know, if entire companies can be created and make money buying these phones from

00:28:51 ◼   ► you that like for a higher price than Apple, I don't understand why Apple can't be more competitive.

00:28:56 ◼   ► Like 490 pounds for an iPhone 12 Pro Max, like at the one terabyte spec is a ridiculous price,

00:29:07 ◼   ► Like that is ridiculous to offer that

00:29:10 ◼   ► Compared to the $5.95 cash or $6.54 credit that and I just looked at one of these services

00:29:17 ◼   ► I'm convinced that you know any half decent service will give you more money than Apple and

00:29:23 ◼   ► I just don't I can't get my head around why that's the case like that

00:29:29 ◼   ► This just doesn't compute for me. They should be able to be much more competitive than they are

00:29:34 ◼   ► How cool would it be to go see that robot though?

00:29:36 ◼   ► (laughing)

00:29:38 ◼   ► Yeah, I'm sure it will be pretty sweet.

00:29:40 ◼   ► Sarah did a great video.

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00:29:44 ◼   ► In the, in the wrong hands, that's a really boring video,

00:29:47 ◼   ► but she made a very engaging video.

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00:32:05 ◼   ► - All right, we can just blame that I'm feeling

00:32:07 ◼   ► under the weather today that I'm bringing

00:32:09 ◼   ► a selection of gripes to this episode.

00:32:11 ◼   ► - All right.

00:32:12 ◼   ► - My second gripe is that Twitter NFT spam's out of control.

00:32:16 ◼   ► - We're talking about NFTs, I love it, okay.

00:32:18 ◼   ► - Have you guys been getting these?

00:32:20 ◼   ► Every day I get a handful of accounts tagging me.

00:32:24 ◼   ► - Not really.

00:32:25 ◼   ► Oh my God, this is happening to me constantly.

00:32:28 ◼   ► Just check my Twitter replies and you'll see it.

00:32:31 ◼   ► - Okay.

00:32:32 ◼   ► - Like I'm blocking these accounts and reporting them,

00:32:35 ◼   ► but every day I get a handful of accounts

00:32:38 ◼   ► that do not follow me.

00:32:40 ◼   ► They randomly tag me to, I don't know,

00:32:43 ◼   ► try and spread the word about some stupid NFT project,

00:32:47 ◼   ► or they're like trying to win an NFT giveaway or whatever.

00:32:50 ◼   ► Like it's some growth hacking nonsense.

00:32:53 ◼   ► And it's driving me crazy.

00:32:55 ◼   ► Like, this is the kind of, like I have two parts here.

00:32:58 ◼   ► Like one, this is the kind of stuff

00:33:00 ◼   ► that will only continue to turn people off

00:33:02 ◼   ► of this whole idea, right?

00:33:03 ◼   ► Like that if there's any good to the idea of NFTs,

00:33:07 ◼   ► these like things that just make it seem more like scams

00:33:11 ◼   ► and cash grabs, it's just gonna just continue

00:33:14 ◼   ► to change people's opinions on them.

00:33:16 ◼   ► And I just think Twitter should be resolving this.

00:33:19 ◼   ► Like it's so clearly spam.

00:33:21 ◼   ► I think I saw someone say that like the easier way

00:33:24 ◼   ► fix this is just tweets that all they do is just tag other people with nothing else should

00:33:29 ◼   ► just not be sent.

00:33:30 ◼   ► They should be immediately flagged as spam.

00:33:32 ◼   ► And why else, why would you need to do this, right?

00:33:35 ◼   ► You just send a tweet to someone, you say nothing except tag six handles in them.

00:33:42 ◼   ► What use is that to anyone?

00:33:43 ◼   ► That's just spam under any sense.

00:33:46 ◼   ► And it reminds me that you can say, "Oh, you shouldn't make such blanket statements like

00:33:50 ◼   ► that if you're Twittering.

00:33:51 ◼   ► Oh, there could be general uses."

00:33:53 ◼   ► But we all remember when Twitter disabled sending links in DMs for years because they couldn't get their stuff together.

00:33:59 ◼   ► So I think they should do this too.

00:34:01 ◼   ► Yeah, it's, it's...

00:34:02 ◼   ► Did you see any of these, Federico, when you were looking?

00:34:06 ◼   ► I get the people with "eth" in their username and I always assume they're spammers.

00:34:11 ◼   ► But like, did you search my replies?

00:34:14 ◼   ► Yeah, I did. I see "Tasty Bones NFT"

00:34:18 ◼   ► is an account that mentioned you.

00:34:20 ◼   ► Tasty Bones, great name.

00:34:22 ◼   ► I get these every day. Mostly when I wake up in the morning, I block like three Twitter accounts.

00:34:27 ◼   ► Like, I hate it.

00:34:29 ◼   ► Well, you must have fallen prey to some crypto marketing scheme.

00:34:34 ◼   ► As if my email spam that I get all the time wasn't bad enough, now I've been locked up into some crypto.

00:34:39 ◼   ► Hey, hey, hey, Myke. Myke, Myke.

00:34:40 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:34:41 ◼   ► I have a great suggestion for someone you could put on your show.

00:34:44 ◼   ► They wrote this book.

00:34:45 ◼   ► Oh, geez.

00:34:45 ◼   ► And I think it'd be a really good fit for your show analog.

00:34:49 ◼   ► Don't you want to talk to the CEO of our company about how the blockchain is the future of podcasting?

00:34:55 ◼   ► So I'm referring a conversation I had in Cortex. You can go check it out if you want to.

00:35:00 ◼   ► Do you know someone sent me an email to say about that episode?

00:35:06 ◼   ► I have...

00:35:08 ◼   ► Like I'm a PR person for an expert on email who can help you with this.

00:35:12 ◼   ► It's just like...

00:35:14 ◼   ► I don't even understand what's going on.

00:35:17 ◼   ► An email expert, no, hold on. An email expert.

00:35:21 ◼   ► To help me with the problem and they should come on the show to talk about it.

00:35:24 ◼   ► But an email expert as a PR.

00:35:27 ◼   ► So like a PR person contacted me to be like, you know,

00:35:29 ◼   ► like these things that I talk about them. Hey,

00:35:31 ◼   ► you should have this person on your show. Right. Right.

00:35:33 ◼   ► And it was like to talk about your email problem and to help you with that.

00:35:37 ◼   ► No, I'm just thinking about, I'm just thinking about the structure,

00:35:40 ◼   ► like the success that you must have had as an email expert to be represented by

00:35:45 ◼   ► a PR firm contacting podcasts on your behalf.

00:35:49 ◼   ► I mean, these persons must be pretty legit, Myke.

00:35:52 ◼   ► I mean, do you have a PR person sending emails

00:35:56 ◼   ► on your behalf?

00:35:57 ◼   ► - Do you know what?

00:35:58 ◼   ► I don't actually.

00:35:59 ◼   ► That's a really good point.

00:35:59 ◼   ► I should do that.

00:36:00 ◼   ► - You could be a keyboard consultant with a PR person

00:36:05 ◼   ► who reaches out to other podcasts and be like,

00:36:07 ◼   ► "Hey, do you wanna talk to this keyboard expert?"

00:36:09 ◼   ► - I'm just bringing all the grabs today.

00:36:11 ◼   ► Do you think that this problem of NFT garbage on Twitter will get better or worse when Elon

00:36:17 ◼   ► owns it?

00:36:18 ◼   ► I don't think it will make a difference.

00:36:20 ◼   ► It'll get worse regardless.

00:36:23 ◼   ► I mean it's pretty gross already when you go to your profile page and you get this huge

00:36:27 ◼   ► pop-up in your face saying "oh now you can have hexagonal profile pictures with NFTs"

00:36:33 ◼   ► and I'm like "please remove this from my eyes and don't make me see this ever again".

00:36:40 ◼   ► James says that Federico is now your PR person.

00:36:43 ◼   ► Look, I'll do it.

00:36:44 ◼   ► I will send one email on your behalf.

00:36:47 ◼   ► - Okay.

00:36:48 ◼   ► - So choose your target carefully.

00:36:50 ◼   ► And I will send an email as your PR handler saying,

00:36:54 ◼   ► I represent Mr. Myke Hurley,

00:36:57 ◼   ► a UK based keyboard manufacturing expert.

00:37:02 ◼   ► - I'm not a keyboard manufacturing expert.

00:37:04 ◼   ► - Well, we gotta upsell you somehow, right?

00:37:07 ◼   ► That's the trick.

00:37:08 ◼   ► - Oh.

00:37:09 ◼   ► put together a nice bio say that you have multiple connections in the supply chain for keyboard

00:37:13 ◼   ► manufacturing you know that kind of stuff i mean not none of it has to be true i've just got i'm

00:37:17 ◼   ► not dreaming big enough you just gotta make it sound true yeah you gotta fake it till you make

00:37:22 ◼   ► it and that's how we put you on a podcast you know as if that was needed for you but still you know

00:37:30 ◼   ► while we're talking about twitter and elon i don't want to talk about elon owning twitter but i do in

00:37:36 ◼   ► in general agree with the idea that Twitter should become a private company again. Just

00:37:39 ◼   ► like in general, I think that they cannot run themselves in the way that they are. I

00:37:44 ◼   ► think that has been proven over time. Just like as a business, they have never seemingly

00:37:50 ◼   ► been able to keep their stuff together for long enough. And I think having shareholders

00:37:56 ◼   ► and being like a publicly traded company, I just think is a distraction that they don't

00:38:00 ◼   ► need. Like, they need to get rid of ads, right? And just charge everyone to use it, like,

00:38:05 ◼   ► ten bucks a year, and then just focus on that. Like, they are just a company

00:38:12 ◼   ► that just cannot seem to truly do anything right for really that long. And

00:38:16 ◼   ► I know that they have a ton of like really talented people there, like

00:38:20 ◼   ► engineers and stuff. Like, I know people that work there. The problem is their

00:38:24 ◼   ► leadership, like, they just can't seem to be able to do anything, you know?

00:38:28 ◼   ► And a lot of people have been pointing this out recently

00:38:30 ◼   ► 'cause of everything that's going on.

00:38:32 ◼   ► Nobody on Twitter's board tweets.

00:38:35 ◼   ► All the board members,

00:38:36 ◼   ► they don't care about the platform at all.

00:38:39 ◼   ► They just want it to be something it's never gonna be.

00:38:42 ◼   ► I hope that this whole thing leads to them

00:38:49 ◼   ► just becoming a private company in some way

00:38:51 ◼   ► with good leadership

00:38:52 ◼   ► and they can try and get their stuff sorted out.

00:38:54 ◼   ► Because on their current trajectory,

00:38:57 ◼   ► It's just bad.

00:38:58 ◼   ► That's my opinion on the matter.

00:39:01 ◼   ► Would you like to be placed on a podcast to talk about this?

00:39:06 ◼   ► Federico has a lot of experience and the game is done.

00:39:08 ◼   ► Yeah, I would love to.

00:39:10 ◼   ► If someone could get me on some kind of...

00:39:14 ◼   ► I can get you on one of those business podcasts.

00:39:16 ◼   ► Yeah, someone needs to get me on a business podcast.

00:39:19 ◼   ► I have that friend of mine running the international business podcast.

00:39:23 ◼   ► I feel like this is a reference to something and I cannot remember it.

00:39:26 ◼   ► I mentioned this on the show before how this person, I realized, is now running a podcast

00:39:34 ◼   ► on LinkedIn and they got in touch with me a while back.

00:39:38 ◼   ► Right. Well, LinkedIn have a podcast network now.

00:39:42 ◼   ► Well, I don't know exactly the technical details, but this person that I know from my teenage,

00:39:49 ◼   ► you know, when I was in a band years, this person now runs the international business

00:39:55 ◼   ► podcast. That's the name. And it's one of those podcasts that, you know, a ton of people

00:40:01 ◼   ► on LinkedIn seem to engage with as they say, and they have guests on the show to talk about

00:40:08 ◼   ► business, you know, projects and companies and equity and whatever. Is it, is this person's

00:40:17 ◼   ► name Leonardo? Yes. Yeah, I found it. Yeah. It's the international business podcast. I

00:40:22 ◼   ► Do you want to be a great international leader?

00:40:25 ◼   ► Yeah, exactly.

00:40:26 ◼   ► Do you want to be a leader, Myke?

00:40:30 ◼   ► It's based in Shanghai.

00:40:32 ◼   ► Yeah, yeah, he lives there now.

00:40:34 ◼   ► Actually, it was very nice recently

00:40:36 ◼   ► when he sent me a DM,

00:40:38 ◼   ► because we actually keep in touch,

00:40:39 ◼   ► he's actually a great guy.

00:40:42 ◼   ► But I just find the name funny,

00:40:43 ◼   ► but he's actually a great person.

00:40:45 ◼   ► And he sent me a DM, like,

00:40:48 ◼   ► my, it's like, hey, teaching my boss today

00:40:51 ◼   ► showed me this, like open the Mac App Store on our computers. And he's like, "Hey, do

00:40:58 ◼   ► you know this guy from Italy?" And it was my interview on the App Store, you know, that

00:41:02 ◼   ► I did for Apple. And I was like, "Oh man, that's interesting." And it was translated,

00:41:06 ◼   ► it was like localized in Chinese. Yeah, they localized the interview for a bunch of international

00:41:13 ◼   ► markets, which is why I got like a second wave of comments from my friends, like from

00:41:17 ◼   ► Italy from Spain and this guy from China because it was later localized in different regions

00:41:24 ◼   ► and that was cool. But anyway, all this to say, you could be on one of these business

00:41:31 ◼   ► podcasts. Yeah, I feel like I would get lost though. Like, you know, in this environment,

00:41:37 ◼   ► I'd say whatever I want, you know what I mean? And it doesn't really matter if I'm right

00:41:41 ◼   ► or wrong because I'm just, this is our show. But if I take this to somewhere else and they're

00:41:46 ◼   ► "So what do you think the average revenue per user should be?"

00:41:49 ◼   ► You know what I mean?

00:41:50 ◼   ► They ask me a question like that, and I'm gonna be like, "Uh, seven?"

00:41:55 ◼   ► I just think seven.

00:41:56 ◼   ► What?

00:41:57 ◼   ► No, the perfect reply to that is like, "I'll tell you what, Jon.

00:42:00 ◼   ► It's not high enough."

00:42:01 ◼   ► That's a perfect answer!

00:42:02 ◼   ► Oh, Federico, you could go on CNBC with stuff like that, man.

00:42:06 ◼   ► You're ready to go.

00:42:08 ◼   ► Mr. Vitici, you know, he's back again.

00:42:10 ◼   ► I can wing anything, you know?

00:42:13 ◼   ► You just say what they want to hear.

00:42:15 ◼   ► Right.

00:42:16 ◼   ► - That's the trick.

00:42:16 ◼   ► - I'll tell you what, it's not enough.

00:42:18 ◼   ► I think all shareholders can agree that currently

00:42:20 ◼   ► the average revenue per user is under decline.

00:42:23 ◼   ► - They're not thinking big enough.

00:42:24 ◼   ► - They're not reaching their true potential.

00:42:26 ◼   ► - The Twitter is facing, they're not thinking big enough.

00:42:28 ◼   ► I'll tell you that, John.

00:42:30 ◼   ► That's how you do it.

00:42:31 ◼   ► And you say their first name,

00:42:32 ◼   ► so you sound more approachable and friendly to the host.

00:42:36 ◼   ► That's how you do it.

00:42:38 ◼   ► - I've got a lot to learn from you, Federico.

00:42:40 ◼   ► You really should be my PR manager.

00:42:42 ◼   ► (both laughing)

00:42:44 ◼   ► - I have a way with people.

00:42:45 ◼   ► people like me or so I hear. Man of the people. Exactly, thank you Steven.

00:42:51 ◼   ► You're welcome. Anyway, question, should Relay be a public company? No. Okay. The only answer to that being yes is if it like means that we can just make a

00:43:05 ◼   ► truckload of money and then go away, you know? That's like an exit, that's what they

00:43:10 ◼   ► call it right in the business. Let me tell you that Federico. What's your exit

00:43:15 ◼   ► strategy. I was thinking about a nap this afternoon. Wait, you're gonna exit via a

00:43:20 ◼   ► nap? Oh Steven, no, don't go into the light. You know? Stay with me buddy. So I had

00:43:27 ◼   ► this thought last night. I was watching, no spoilers, don't worry about it, but I

00:43:31 ◼   ► was watching the Severance finale. Anyway, I had this thought. Isn't going to sleep

00:43:36 ◼   ► kind of like a severed Severance procedure? If you think about it, you know?

00:43:43 ◼   ► Do you remember that video Gray made? Yes, yes. I've been thinking of that video throughout the

00:43:48 ◼   ► entire season of Severance. Yeah, that's interesting. What's the video? It's like

00:43:52 ◼   ► you were two. You are two. Yeah, you are too. Oh, creepy. Very upsetting. Yeah, it was one of

00:44:01 ◼   ► his best videos. Is that the one with the Star Trek? Is Star Trek in that one? No, that's the

00:44:07 ◼   ► trans transporter order thing yeah no you are too as about the the left and

00:44:12 ◼   ► right what are they called hemispheres of the brain whatever no yeah yeah that's

00:44:17 ◼   ► that one but I'm not thinking about that one there's a video that he made about

00:44:22 ◼   ► when you go to sleep yeah he what I think that's in the transporter video

00:44:26 ◼   ► okay oh that's the one I'm thinking of like that when if when you go to sleep

00:44:30 ◼   ► you the same person as when you wake up are you I don't know I mean how would

00:44:37 ◼   ► would I know? Yeah exactly. Anyway yeah go watch Severance. Great show. What are we

00:44:43 ◼   ► talking about? Like what is the topic right now? We were talking about Twitter having

00:44:48 ◼   ► NFT spam. Right right right. Okay so we're sorry you have spam. Let's talk about

00:44:56 ◼   ► Widget Smith. Oh yeah this is a good this is a good thing. This doesn't... You can

00:45:00 ◼   ► now have NFTs in your widget... I was kidding. Oh my god can you imagine? Like I know

00:45:06 ◼   ► I know Dave is more mainstream now.

00:45:08 ◼   ► Can you imagine if it was like introducing NFT Smith.

00:45:12 ◼   ► (laughing)

00:45:15 ◼   ► Of all the people I know,

00:45:19 ◼   ► underscore would be the least likely, right?

00:45:22 ◼   ► Like I feel like I would be the most surprised

00:45:25 ◼   ► - Underscore point. - If David woke up one day.

00:45:27 ◼   ► Oh my God, underscore.

00:45:28 ◼   ► - Underscore.

00:45:30 ◼   ► - Underscore.

00:45:31 ◼   ► (laughing)

00:45:32 ◼   ► Underscore.

00:45:33 ◼   ► - How would you like to be on a podcast

00:45:35 ◼   ► about your new cryptocurrency?

00:45:36 ◼   ► - I like, hey Dave, if you start a cryptocurrency,

00:45:39 ◼   ► you can come on the show and talk about it.

00:45:40 ◼   ► You're the one and only person.

00:45:41 ◼   ► - Should we do a cryptocurrency scam?

00:45:43 ◼   ► Like should we be scammers?

00:45:45 ◼   ► - Not on the air.

00:45:46 ◼   ► - Like is that something that we should try?

00:45:47 ◼   ► - It is so funny that like,

00:45:49 ◼   ► do you remember when NFTs were first a thing?

00:45:52 ◼   ► - Yeah.

00:45:53 ◼   ► - And I was gonna make one of the clip of Steven

00:45:57 ◼   ► saying it's stupid.

00:45:59 ◼   ► And I just got annoyed of how complicated it was

00:46:02 ◼   ► and just didn't do it in the end.

00:46:03 ◼   ► And I'm so pleased that I didn't do that, you know,

00:46:06 ◼   ► 'cause now that would just be tied to me forever.

00:46:09 ◼   ► And Steven.

00:46:10 ◼   ► But anyway, so WidgetSmith added

00:46:12 ◼   ► a couple of different widget types.

00:46:14 ◼   ► One is an OnThisDay photo widget.

00:46:17 ◼   ► And then there's one that's kind of split into two,

00:46:19 ◼   ► which is AirQuality and PollenCount widgets.

00:46:23 ◼   ► And I've added one of these.

00:46:24 ◼   ► I've added a photo one and the Pollen one to my home screen.

00:46:28 ◼   ► And I just think that they're excellent additions

00:46:30 ◼   ► to WidgetSmith.

00:46:31 ◼   ► - Yeah, I love the on this day feature in day one,

00:46:36 ◼   ► and that's a widget that I have set up on my phone,

00:46:39 ◼   ► but that requires that I put something in day one.

00:46:42 ◼   ► And what's cool about this Widgetsmith feature

00:46:45 ◼   ► is it just uses anything in your photo library.

00:46:49 ◼   ► And when you tap on it,

00:46:50 ◼   ► it comes up with this really cool UI

00:46:53 ◼   ► that shows you the date.

00:46:54 ◼   ► So it says 4/20 at the top, blaze it,

00:46:57 ◼   ► and then you can scroll back through the years

00:47:02 ◼   ► and see all of your photos for that given day.

00:47:05 ◼   ► It's such a smart user interface for this.

00:47:08 ◼   ► And I don't use a lot of photo widgets through Widgetsmith

00:47:12 ◼   ► because they can't open in the photos app,

00:47:14 ◼   ► which is generally what I want it to do.

00:47:16 ◼   ► But this one, like he's built this view that I don't care.

00:47:19 ◼   ► Like I love seeing the, okay, this is 420 on 2021

00:47:24 ◼   ► and 2020 and 2019 and scroll all the way back.

00:47:27 ◼   ► It's really well done.

00:47:28 ◼   ► So I'll give you a little--

00:47:30 ◼   ► David did actually add a feature,

00:47:33 ◼   ► which I don't really think he spoke about very much.

00:47:35 ◼   ► I missed it.

00:47:36 ◼   ► I know this because he showed me.

00:47:38 ◼   ► So now, if you have a widget that's, say,

00:47:43 ◼   ► pulling images from an album or something,

00:47:47 ◼   ► when you tap on that widget, it brings up

00:47:49 ◼   ► a view that then shows chronologically,

00:47:52 ◼   ► from newest to oldest, all of the photos

00:47:54 ◼   ► that widget has shown you.

00:47:56 ◼   ► - That's cool.

00:47:57 ◼   ► - So like, so he's made this stuff a little better

00:48:00 ◼   ► and he jumps straight into it, right?

00:48:01 ◼   ► So if like, you're like, oh, I thought I saw a photo there

00:48:04 ◼   ► a minute ago and it changed and I went to see it.

00:48:06 ◼   ► You can now tap it and you can see like,

00:48:08 ◼   ► these are all the ones you've been shown.

00:48:10 ◼   ► Like what I like also about this is this widget

00:48:14 ◼   ► in WidgetSmith works more like how I want the widget

00:48:19 ◼   ► that Apple makes to work.

00:48:21 ◼   ► But we spoke about in the past that now sometimes

00:48:24 ◼   ► opens a video instead, which is not what I want, right?

00:48:27 ◼   ► - Did you see how one of my memories last night,

00:48:29 ◼   ► it said dining and it was the picture of an eyeball.

00:48:32 ◼   ► - It was a picture of an eye, yeah.

00:48:34 ◼   ► - Feast it on those eyeballs.

00:48:35 ◼   ► Feast your eyes Federico.

00:48:37 ◼   ► - Oh, literally. - Yeah.

00:48:39 ◼   ► - Feast your eyes on this.

00:48:40 ◼   ► - Yeah, it happened to me just the other night.

00:48:42 ◼   ► I was on my phone and a photo come up.

00:48:45 ◼   ► I was like, "Oh, I wanna show this to Mary."

00:48:46 ◼   ► And I tapped it and all of a sudden,

00:48:48 ◼   ► like country music is playing out of my phone

00:48:50 ◼   ► to pictures of my daughter.

00:48:51 ◼   ► I was like, why? Why is it still a stupid slideshow?

00:48:54 ◼   ► Country roads to the plains.

00:48:58 ◼   ► Is it always country music for you, Steven?

00:49:00 ◼   ► I believe.

00:49:01 ◼   ► It's even country musical blues.

00:49:03 ◼   ► It's just whatever it is.

00:49:04 ◼   ► West Virginia.

00:49:06 ◼   ► I don't know the lyrics anymore. I'm sorry.

00:49:09 ◼   ► So yeah, I like these.

00:49:11 ◼   ► The pollen and air quality ones.

00:49:12 ◼   ► I don't use the air quality one. I use the pollen one.

00:49:14 ◼   ► And I didn't know that there were different types of pollen.

00:49:17 ◼   ► Tree pollen.

00:49:20 ◼   ► What is it? Tree pollen, flower pollen, and...

00:49:24 ◼   ► Oh, it's tree, grass, and weeds blaze it.

00:49:28 ◼   ► - Oh, nice. I see what you did there, underscore.

00:49:31 ◼   ► - No, you didn't do that.

00:49:35 ◼   ► So yeah, and now I know when there's high pollen count days,

00:49:38 ◼   ► which is helpful for me this time of year

00:49:40 ◼   ► to know if there's a high pollen count.

00:49:42 ◼   ► I would say like my top tip is

00:49:46 ◼   ► if you're walking through somewhere

00:49:47 ◼   ► and it's high pollen count, put your mask on for COVID.

00:49:51 ◼   ► And it helped me so much last summer.

00:49:53 ◼   ► Like you're not breathing in the pollen.

00:49:55 ◼   ► I mean, I wear glasses too,

00:49:56 ◼   ► which also helps with the eyes, but you know.

00:49:59 ◼   ► - No, it's a great update.

00:50:00 ◼   ► He continues to do such a good job

00:50:02 ◼   ► at adding new features to this.

00:50:04 ◼   ► I would have run out of ideas years ago,

00:50:07 ◼   ► but he keeps finding ways to add

00:50:10 ◼   ► like really valuable new features to this app.

00:50:13 ◼   ► - Well, hey, look, if there's one thing we've known

00:50:15 ◼   ► about underscore over the time we'd known him

00:50:17 ◼   ► is the man always has ideas.

00:50:19 ◼   ► - It's true.

00:50:20 ◼   ► - Right, he is an ideas person,

00:50:22 ◼   ► but now all of those ideas are just in WidgetSmith.

00:50:26 ◼   ► - Yeah, he stands at the corner of the intersection

00:50:29 ◼   ► of ideas and widgets.

00:50:32 ◼   ► - Yeah, that is very true, actually.

00:50:33 ◼   ► He does stand at that exact intersection.

00:50:35 ◼   ► - People are still into widgets, right?

00:50:37 ◼   ► Like regular people. - I am.

00:50:39 ◼   ► - Yeah, well, I mean, you're not a regular person.

00:50:41 ◼   ► - I am a regular person.

00:50:42 ◼   ► - No, we talked about this.

00:50:43 ◼   ► - I'm the regular person.

00:50:46 ◼   ► But I mean, I don't know about regular people.

00:50:48 ◼   ► I know I am.

00:50:49 ◼   ► - I think, you know, I always look at phones

00:50:53 ◼   ► of either my friends or like, sometimes I peek, right?

00:50:58 ◼   ► I'm a peeker, right?

00:51:00 ◼   ► I peek at other people's phones, like, I don't know,

00:51:03 ◼   ► like at a bar, like a restaurant or something.

00:51:06 ◼   ► I just, especially when they have an iPhone,

00:51:08 ◼   ► because I wanna be in touch with the world,

00:51:10 ◼   ► you know, with the people.

00:51:11 ◼   ► And I still see the custom home screens

00:51:14 ◼   ► with the widgets with the same color of the wallpaper,

00:51:18 ◼   ► people having the widgets with the inspirational phrases.

00:51:22 ◼   ► I have seen Widgetsmith in real life in Italy,

00:51:26 ◼   ► which I always think it's funny.

00:51:28 ◼   ► I know the guy.

00:51:30 ◼   ► But yeah, it seems that people are still into widgets,

00:51:33 ◼   ► despite iOS 15 not really building

00:51:36 ◼   ► on top of the success of 14.

00:51:38 ◼   ► It also reminds me of something that--

00:51:42 ◼   ► I believe it was also Lachlan from Follow Up, one of our mods in Discord.

00:51:47 ◼   ► From the Follow Up.

00:51:49 ◼   ► From the Follow Up.

00:51:50 ◼   ► Lachlan, they mentioned how...

00:51:53 ◼   ► There was this really interesting thread that Lachlan posted, like,

00:51:57 ◼   ► how Apple commits to features for the next version of iOS,

00:52:05 ◼   ► essentially in the summer,

00:52:08 ◼   ► when they don't know yet whether a feature of the current version that will ship in September

00:52:15 ◼   ► will be successful or not. Meaning, when they locked in the features for iOS 15,

00:52:21 ◼   ► they didn't know that iOS 14 widgets were going to be the massive success that they were. Therefore,

00:52:28 ◼   ► that's why iOS 15 likely didn't have anything new for widgets, right? That is a fascinating

00:52:34 ◼   ► problem to have, where you have effectively this one-year delay between shipping a feature and

00:52:40 ◼   ► knowing, like, for real whether you can build additional features on top of it. The theory being,

00:52:46 ◼   ► I guess we're going to see new widget stuff in iOS 16, because now Apple at the time to realize that,

00:52:53 ◼   ► "Oh, well, I guess we have a massive success on our hands and we got to do new things for it."

00:52:57 ◼   ► The question is, is it still relevant? Right? And I think it is. I think widgets and home screen

00:53:03 ◼   ► customization is always relevant. To bring him up again, I think Anasgul spoke about this publicly,

00:53:08 ◼   ► I think on Under the Radar too, like, for him photo widgets are where the, like,

00:53:16 ◼   ► it was what people are using Widgetsmith for, by and large. Like, they try lots of things,

00:53:21 ◼   ► potentially, but it's photo stuff that people land on, and that doesn't surprise me, like,

00:53:26 ◼   ► I have a bunch of photo widgets now on my iPhone. I have them in stacks, right, they're like coming

00:53:32 ◼   ► coming from different places, maybe different albums or whatever, but like that's a big

00:53:36 ◼   ► thing. It does remind me, and it's a long time follow up, I bet the both of you have

00:53:39 ◼   ► not ever opened that locket app again, right?

00:53:42 ◼   ► No, never. I did use it.

00:53:45 ◼   ► Therefore proving my point of why I didn't want to add the two of you to my group, because

00:53:49 ◼   ► then now I've removed the sanctity of the two-way locket sharing with my wife. They

00:53:55 ◼   ► did actually set up a thing where you could choose who saw them, but I didn't ever, I

00:54:00 ◼   ► want to deal with that because if I have the two of you and then I go to like a

00:54:03 ◼   ► whole thing and now I don't have to worry about it because it's just me and Adina

00:54:06 ◼   ► sends these pictures back to each other. Well maybe we uninstalled it because you

00:54:09 ◼   ► didn't add us. But you had each other and you weren't sending things to each other

00:54:13 ◼   ► were you? That's true. Yeah. Still a fantastic app it still gets updated. I

00:54:20 ◼   ► added emoji reactions. Lockit is great like it's great. Love widgets man. This

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00:55:55 ◼   ► One, what's in your wallet? Okay it is just just a really like what six seven

00:56:02 ◼   ► weeks before WWDC and that means that the rumor mill is a churning and we want

00:56:09 ◼   ► to focus today on the possibility of iPad multitasking changes. This is

00:56:15 ◼   ► something that Apple does every couple of years. Last year we really got I think

00:56:20 ◼   ► what the three of us would agree on as a refinement to what they had before.

00:56:25 ◼   ► But there's this Bloomberg article talking about this and then Federico I

00:56:30 ◼   ► think you had some some notes on the history of this and then like what you

00:56:35 ◼   ► think about some of these ideas that are being floated around. Yeah I did this

00:56:40 ◼   ► thread on Twitter, what was it, last week or ten days ago. Did you NFT it? Yes I

00:56:48 ◼   ► I minted the thread.

00:56:50 ◼   ► - Mm.

00:56:50 ◼   ► - You can--

00:56:51 ◼   ► - You did use the little cotton spool emoji, so.

00:56:55 ◼   ► - Yeah, yeah. - That's how we know

00:56:56 ◼   ► it's a real thread.

00:56:56 ◼   ► - You can get it for one Anders coin

00:56:59 ◼   ► on our blockchain Dapp.

00:57:05 ◼   ► That's what they're called.

00:57:06 ◼   ► - DAO, isn't it DAO?

00:57:07 ◼   ► - No, DAO is a decentralized organization.

00:57:10 ◼   ► The Dapp is a decentralized app.

00:57:13 ◼   ► So when we have a Dapp, yeah, yeah.

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00:57:17 ◼   ► Oh, are you? That's good.

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00:57:24 ◼   ► No, let me rephrase. I like to know the enemy. That's what I meant.

00:57:31 ◼   ► Oh my.

00:57:32 ◼   ► I like to be informed.

00:57:33 ◼   ► Okay, did you hear that? Hey everyone on the blockchain, Federico Vittucci is your enemy.

00:57:37 ◼   ► Yeah, I don't care. Just, you know, do whatever you want, you know.

00:57:40 ◼   ► Block stories.

00:57:41 ◼   ► Look, I really think it's a silly thing, but I like to know why I think it's a silly thing.

00:57:45 ◼   ► I like to be informed. That's, you know, what a regular person should do. Don't distract

00:57:50 ◼   ► me from my podcasting process.

00:57:54 ◼   ► OK, so I had this thread on the history of iPadOS multitasking, even before it was called

00:58:01 ◼   ► iPadOS, it was just iOS, and with version 13 it became iPadOS. And what I realized is

00:58:08 ◼   ► that they have this schedule, right, where every couple of years they revise what they've

00:58:15 ◼   ► done before on the iPad, starting with, you know, when we got the first version of Splitview

00:58:21 ◼   ► that had the weird app picker, right? Remember that when in iOS 9, when Split View launched,

00:58:31 ◼   ► you could split the screen between two apps, but there was no drag and drop, and there

00:58:35 ◼   ► was no dock. You had to swipe in from the right side of the screen, and you had that

00:58:40 ◼   ► vertical list of thumbnails with the icons of the apps. That was kind of weird. And then

00:58:47 ◼   ► in iOS 11, they introduced the drag-and-drop system that was very heavily criticized at

00:58:54 ◼   ► the time. Lots of folks stopped using the iPad because of this touch-heavy version of

00:59:01 ◼   ► multitasking. And then every couple of years, they've refined the system. In iPadOS 13,

00:59:07 ◼   ► they introduced multi-window, and then in 2020, mid-cycle of the iPadOS 13 release,

00:59:16 ◼   ► They launched the Magic Keyboard with a pointer, like the system-wide pointer with trackpad support.

00:59:21 ◼   ► And last year they refined.

00:59:25 ◼   ► They didn't really do anything, they refined the system with keyboard shortcuts.

00:59:29 ◼   ► The multitasking menu, which is the new tray of icons that you see, you don't have to use

00:59:34 ◼   ► drag and drop anymore if you don't want to, but that version of multitasking is still there.

00:59:40 ◼   ► And they also introduced a couple of features that I don't think they have really picked

00:59:44 ◼   ► up in usage. For sure, like the new center windows, have you guys seen center windows

00:59:51 ◼   ► in any third-party iPad application? No. Because I haven't. Because it's all, honestly it's

00:59:57 ◼   ► a pointless feature. It's, yeah, it's, I really don't understand why it's there. Like, so

01:00:03 ◼   ► what? Yeah, cool, it opens in the middle of the screen, alright. Like what is that supposed

01:00:09 ◼   ► to do for me, like realistically? Nothing, because that center window, which you can

01:00:13 ◼   ► get by say opening an email message from Apple Mail in a separate window or a note from Apple

01:00:21 ◼   ► Notes. That window, it's not like you can drag it to the side or like, you know, it's

01:00:25 ◼   ► not like freeform windowing. It's just there.

01:00:28 ◼   ► No, you're best off just using the compose sheet, take the full use of the application

01:00:35 ◼   ► and then use that application in Split View or whatever if you really want to. Or just

01:00:39 ◼   ► go full screen in that app and just... I don't understand the center window thing.

01:00:43 ◼   ► It's not surprising to me that it doesn't seem to have been adopted.

01:00:47 ◼   ► And the other one was the shelf, which of course is not the shelf that I wanted to have

01:00:51 ◼   ► in App.OS. The shelf I wanted was more like a clipboard manager of sorts, like a

01:00:55 ◼   ► place where you can drag and drop things to store them for later. Instead, Apple's

01:01:00 ◼   ► shelf is a window manager, essentially. It's a little tray, it's like a little

01:01:06 ◼   ► shelf for your open windows. So it's pretty disappointing, and it actually lost functionality

01:01:13 ◼   ► from IP address 14, which used to be that you could undo closing a window. Like, if you accidentally

01:01:22 ◼   ► closed an app window in IP address 14, you could undo that. There was a button that said "Reopen

01:01:29 ◼   ► Closed Window." The shelf doesn't have that button anymore. So if you accidentally close a window,

01:01:35 ◼   ► it is gone forever. So after this brief recap, we are left with this rumor from Mark Gurman

01:01:42 ◼   ► at Bloomberg. And Gurman is saying that essentially the iPadOS will get a new app picker. That's

01:01:50 ◼   ► all that Gurman knows for now. And we did a thing with the Twitter spaces, like a podcast

01:01:58 ◼   ► that is not really a podcast, but it's a Twitter spaces thing. And Mark said once again, "All

01:02:04 ◼   ► I know is that the iPad is getting a new app picker, but what would you like to see in

01:02:10 ◼   ► iPadOS, 16 he asked. And I know already, like, I can say before we get into it that the things

01:02:18 ◼   ► I want to see will not happen, and I kind of sort of already know upfront that I will

01:02:24 ◼   ► be disappointed. Because over the past year, really, it's not that I'm being pessimistic,

01:02:31 ◼   ► It's not that I'm being down on the iPad, I'm just being realistic, I think.

01:02:37 ◼   ► And I feel like, and this feeling has grown stronger, again, over the course of 2021 and

01:02:43 ◼   ► 2022, the bold vision that I'd like Apple to take with the iPad is maybe too bold for

01:02:52 ◼   ► them to follow.

01:02:53 ◼   ► And they are content with leaving the iPad in the middle, between an iPhone, between

01:02:59 ◼   ► a Mac not as flexible as pro iPad users will want it to be. And if that's true, and I'm

01:03:07 ◼   ► still, you know, I will never lose hope, but also I don't want to believe in these things

01:03:13 ◼   ► I will mention too much because I don't want to be disappointed again, right? And I've

01:03:17 ◼   ► been disappointed many times over the years at WWDC, especially last year. All I'm saying

01:03:23 ◼   ► is I think Apple is seeing even the iPad Pro, even the device that has "Pro" in its name

01:03:31 ◼   ► as less pro than a MacBook Pro. And I guess maybe the answer is that there are multiple

01:03:37 ◼   ► shades of "Pro", right? Almost as if, oh, you can be a pro on the iPad but you can only

01:03:45 ◼   ► do so much, or you can be a pro on a Mac and you can do all these other things, which honestly

01:03:49 ◼   ► is not a good look. I think, like to say, like, I don't know, at times I feel like if

01:03:56 ◼   ► you want to be a pro on iPad you are a lesser pro, and that's not nice.

01:04:01 ◼   ► I see what you're saying. I can see an argument for like, the type of professional that uses

01:04:07 ◼   ► each device being different, like, as being an argument, but I would say that like, I

01:04:13 ◼   ► think iPadOS doesn't actually serve any type of professional fully.

01:04:18 ◼   ► - No, it does.

01:04:20 ◼   ► - Except my artists, maybe.

01:04:22 ◼   ► - Yeah, yeah, that's the thing.

01:04:25 ◼   ► The thing I've learned with Apple

01:04:27 ◼   ► and how they pitch iPadOS,

01:04:29 ◼   ► because I also see this in how their PR people talk about it

01:04:33 ◼   ► and explain certain things to you,

01:04:36 ◼   ► in how they always wanna highlight,

01:04:40 ◼   ► oh, but we have incredible artists doing work on iPadOS.

01:04:43 ◼   ► And I get it, like I get it,

01:04:45 ◼   ► that there's artists and photographers

01:04:47 ◼   ► and these very specific professions

01:04:49 ◼   ► that you keep mentioning over the years,

01:04:52 ◼   ► and they're always the same professions over the years,

01:04:56 ◼   ► that are doing excellent work on the iPad Pro.

01:04:58 ◼   ► But my question is, is that it?

01:05:00 ◼   ► Is that all it can do?

01:05:02 ◼   ► I don't think it is.

01:05:03 ◼   ► I don't think it should be.

01:05:04 ◼   ► If you ask me, I think iPadOS is the most exciting platform

01:05:08 ◼   ► that Apple has.

01:05:10 ◼   ► If you were to believe in it as the sort of flexible modular OS

01:05:16 ◼   ► that is unlike iOS and it's unlike macOS.

01:05:19 ◼   ► So I personally feel like something that Mark Gorman wrote

01:05:24 ◼   ► in the Power On newsletter as a follow-up

01:05:31 ◼   ► to the Twitter Spaces thing,

01:05:33 ◼   ► he mentioned the idea of the iPad Pro

01:05:37 ◼   ► almost switching its OS into a Pro mode

01:05:45 ◼   ► when you dock the iPad Pro at a desk,

01:05:48 ◼   ► maybe with an external display,

01:05:50 ◼   ► maybe with an external keyboard and trackpad.

01:05:53 ◼   ► Now, Mark is one of the people who believe

01:05:55 ◼   ► that iPad should run macOS,

01:05:57 ◼   ► and I strongly disagree with that.

01:05:59 ◼   ► But the idea of iPadOS doing more to adapt,

01:06:04 ◼   ► sort of, dynamically to the context

01:06:09 ◼   ► that you're using the iPad,

01:06:10 ◼   ► that is a fascinating idea,

01:06:12 ◼   ► and it's exactly what I would like Apple to explore.

01:06:14 ◼   ► I've been, you know, I know that Myke,

01:06:17 ◼   ► you don't like expressions.

01:06:18 ◼   ► You don't like people coming up

01:06:19 ◼   ► with their own terminology for things.

01:06:22 ◼   ► - No, no, I'm fine with some of that.

01:06:25 ◼   ► I don't like when things are overused.

01:06:28 ◼   ► That's what I don't like.

01:06:29 ◼   ► - Well, maybe I overuse it,

01:06:30 ◼   ► but I keep using this expression of like the iPad

01:06:33 ◼   ► as a modular computer.

01:06:34 ◼   ► And if there's a better- - No, I like that one.

01:06:36 ◼   ► - If there's a better way to say it, I will switch to that.

01:06:39 ◼   ► But for the sake of the conversation-

01:06:40 ◼   ► - No, I think it's good.

01:06:42 ◼   ► I think it's good.

01:06:42 ◼   ► People often, like John Siracusa says,

01:06:46 ◼   ► "Naked robotic core," right?

01:06:47 ◼   ► "I prefer modular computer."

01:06:50 ◼   ► I prefer the Federico Vittucci one.

01:06:52 ◼   ► Modular computer, I think, is a nicer sound.

01:06:55 ◼   ► - Thank you.

01:06:56 ◼   ► So I really believe in that.

01:06:58 ◼   ► And I really think that is the,

01:07:00 ◼   ► that concept is where the vastly underused

01:07:05 ◼   ► potential of the iPad lies.

01:07:07 ◼   ► I don't think Apple is doing enough

01:07:10 ◼   ► when it comes to embracing the nature of the iPad.

01:07:15 ◼   ► Meaning, this tablet can become other things

01:07:20 ◼   ► and I don't think they're doing enough in software

01:07:24 ◼   ► to let it become multiple things.

01:07:27 ◼   ► - Yes, I agree with you so much on this.

01:07:29 ◼   ► Like this is the exact thing, right?

01:07:32 ◼   ► Of like what makes the iPad exciting is just this thing

01:07:35 ◼   ► that you can attach other stuff to

01:07:37 ◼   ► and it can work differently.

01:07:38 ◼   ► But as you say, they don't go far enough.

01:07:40 ◼   ► They don't go far enough.

01:07:42 ◼   ► Imagine, this may sound silly, but bear with me,

01:07:45 ◼   ► imagine if Kirby, the Nintendo character,

01:07:48 ◼   ► could suck in enemies,

01:07:50 ◼   ► but couldn't take from their abilities.

01:07:54 ◼   ► That's what the iPad is.

01:07:56 ◼   ► It's a Kirby that cannot absorb abilities from enemies.

01:08:01 ◼   ► In this case, the enemies will be the accessories,

01:08:03 ◼   ► but that's the idea.

01:08:04 ◼   ► - Wow.

01:08:05 ◼   ► - It only goes so far,

01:08:06 ◼   ► and they give you the bare minimum, right?

01:08:09 ◼   ► they gave you the pointer.

01:08:10 ◼   ► I'm sure you have a system-wide pointer that natively supports

01:08:15 ◼   ► iPadOS UI elements, but it doesn't do anything more.

01:08:19 ◼   ► Like, you have a pointer, but it's not like the iPad is

01:08:22 ◼   ► saying, oh, I see you are at a desk with a trackpad

01:08:24 ◼   ► and maybe an external monitor.

01:08:26 ◼   ► Well, let me switch up a few things in how you manage

01:08:29 ◼   ► windows, for example.

01:08:31 ◼   ► I see that you have an external display connected.

01:08:33 ◼   ► Let me give you the space to place more windows

01:08:35 ◼   ► on that display, right?

01:08:37 ◼   ► And it's that idea that makes me feel so sad.

01:08:40 ◼   ► Honestly, I'm not even mad.

01:08:41 ◼   ► I'm just, I'm not upset.

01:08:43 ◼   ► I'm disappointed.

01:08:44 ◼   ► I'm like the parents looking at their child.

01:08:47 ◼   ► You know what?

01:08:48 ◼   ► I'm just disappointed.

01:08:49 ◼   ► And in this case, I'm disappointed

01:08:51 ◼   ► because I can see the potential.

01:08:53 ◼   ► I can see this really beautiful idea

01:08:57 ◼   ► of what if the same computer could be many types

01:09:02 ◼   ► of computer and they're just not doing it.

01:09:05 ◼   ► So let's get down to the specifics.

01:09:07 ◼   ► I will point people to this excellent,

01:09:10 ◼   ► I think it's a thread now.

01:09:12 ◼   ► - It's two threads, I think.

01:09:13 ◼   ► - Two threads, okay, so from Parker or Tolani,

01:09:18 ◼   ► Parker used to work a nine to five Mac,

01:09:21 ◼   ► and now I believe they're a producer at Box Media,

01:09:25 ◼   ► product manager of Box Media.

01:09:27 ◼   ► So Parker does some really excellent concepts

01:09:31 ◼   ► for all kinds of things.

01:09:34 ◼   ► I've always liked Parker's visual concepts,

01:09:37 ◼   ► or like apps or devices, whatever.

01:09:40 ◼   ► And in this case, Parker posted this really incredible

01:09:43 ◼   ► iPad OS 16 concepts.

01:09:45 ◼   ► And now the thing with concepts is,

01:09:48 ◼   ► it's easy to make a concept, right?

01:09:50 ◼   ► You're not actually building the OS.

01:09:52 ◼   ► You don't have boundaries.

01:09:54 ◼   ► You don't have restrictions.

01:09:55 ◼   ► You can think of anything you want,

01:09:57 ◼   ► and you can make it happen,

01:09:58 ◼   ► because all you need to do is design it.

01:10:00 ◼   ► That's the thing with concepts.

01:10:01 ◼   ► It's easy because you're not actually building the software.

01:10:04 ◼   ► But some concepts are bad, some concepts are terrible, some concepts are great because

01:10:12 ◼   ► they show a lot of thought that went into designing them with as many restrictions and

01:10:18 ◼   ► boundaries as you can.

01:10:20 ◼   ► And this one by Parker is one of the great ones, because it shows how Apple, in theory,

01:10:26 ◼   ► could take advantage of the modularity of the iPad

01:10:30 ◼   ► to build software features

01:10:34 ◼   ► that follow along with your use case of the iPad.

01:10:39 ◼   ► For example, Parker imagined this radial,

01:10:43 ◼   ► like, circular menu for additional tools

01:10:48 ◼   ► shown around the tip of the pencil,

01:10:52 ◼   ► around the tip of the Apple Pencil.

01:10:55 ◼   ► So like a context menu for when you double tap the pencil.

01:10:59 ◼   ► And I mean, the gesture doesn't matter.

01:11:02 ◼   ► This is all theoretical.

01:11:03 ◼   ► But the idea of what if you could have this interface

01:11:07 ◼   ► that adapted contextually to the tip of the Apple Pencil,

01:11:12 ◼   ► and that gave you more tools like open settings,

01:11:14 ◼   ► or take a screenshot, or change colors.

01:11:16 ◼   ► Like, this should exist.

01:11:18 ◼   ► Like, why isn't this, you know,

01:11:21 ◼   ► I can't believe no one is talking about this,

01:11:23 ◼   ► but why isn't-- - They should put a button

01:11:24 ◼   ► on the Apple Pencil, though.

01:11:25 ◼   ► That tapping gesture, like, no, put a physical button.

01:11:29 ◼   ► Press the button.

01:11:30 ◼   ► - Do it. - Yeah.

01:11:30 ◼   ► - Yes, it reminds me of the Microsoft Surface knob

01:11:35 ◼   ► and like that little thing that you put down on the screen

01:11:38 ◼   ► and you get this radial menu around it.

01:11:40 ◼   ► That was great.

01:11:41 ◼   ► That was like more of that.

01:11:43 ◼   ► Similarly, we got Quick Note last year in iPadOS, right?

01:11:48 ◼   ► - Oh, yeah. - Which only Apple Notes.

01:11:50 ◼   ► Exactly, yeah, oh yeah, that thing, yes.

01:11:52 ◼   ► So it's an Apple Notes-only feature where you can swipe in from the bottom right corner or bottom left corner of the screen to take a quick note from anywhere.

01:12:03 ◼   ► Fantastic feature that shows some potential for multitasking, maybe.

01:12:10 ◼   ► And Parker imagined this, again, another kind of circular menu, where, like, what if you could swipe

01:12:22 ◼   ► from the bottom right corner of the screen and you had an app picker for different apps that you

01:12:31 ◼   ► could use in this popover mode? And that's the idea. The idea is, Quick Note is like picture-in-picture

01:12:38 ◼   ► for Windows, if you think about it.

01:12:40 ◼   ► It's a Notes window that is running

01:12:43 ◼   ► in a picture-in-picture mode.

01:12:46 ◼   ► That mode should become available

01:12:49 ◼   ► to every developer that wants to use it.

01:12:52 ◼   ► You should be able to open with just one gesture

01:12:56 ◼   ► any kind of window you want,

01:12:58 ◼   ► and resize it with limitations

01:13:02 ◼   ► to any corner of the screen you want it.

01:13:04 ◼   ► Now, I'm not saying that IPOS

01:13:06 ◼   ► should get freeform window resizing.

01:13:09 ◼   ► I'm saying the opposite.

01:13:10 ◼   ► I'm saying that Apple should believe

01:13:12 ◼   ► in something that maybe they have not done enough,

01:13:17 ◼   ► which is take a feature from macOS, right?

01:13:21 ◼   ► And maybe simplify it, maybe give it new limitations,

01:13:26 ◼   ► but adapt an old idea to the modern nature of the iPad.

01:13:31 ◼   ► They have done it with Split View,

01:13:34 ◼   ► they have done it with files,

01:13:36 ◼   ► they have done it with the dock,

01:13:38 ◼   ► they've done it with keyboard shortcuts,

01:13:40 ◼   ► they should do it with windowing as well.

01:13:44 ◼   ► I'm not saying you should be able to drag the pointer

01:13:46 ◼   ► to a corner of the screen and manually resize a window.

01:13:50 ◼   ► I'm saying maybe there's a way to do window resizing

01:13:53 ◼   ► with this floating popover design

01:13:57 ◼   ► that has, I don't know, presets for window sizes.

01:14:02 ◼   ► It's not like you can freely resize a window,

01:14:04 ◼   ► but you have more than one option or two options.

01:14:08 ◼   ► And then of course there's external displays.

01:14:12 ◼   ► That is the, I think the biggest problem right now,

01:14:16 ◼   ► which is a lot of pro iPad users

01:14:19 ◼   ► really bought into the idea, myself included,

01:14:22 ◼   ► you get an iPad Pro, you can use it as a tablet,

01:14:26 ◼   ► you can use it as a laptop, thanks to the magic keyboard.

01:14:29 ◼   ► But if you are at a desk, you can now use it as a workstation.

01:14:33 ◼   ► Except the latter didn't really come true at all,

01:14:38 ◼   ► because you plug an iPad into an external display,

01:14:42 ◼   ► and it does nothing.

01:14:44 ◼   ► Or rather, it does the basic mirroring.

01:14:46 ◼   ► It doesn't give you anything special.

01:14:49 ◼   ► Other companies have tried this before.

01:14:53 ◼   ► What's it called?

01:14:55 ◼   ► The Samsung Dex?

01:14:57 ◼   ► Dex.

01:14:57 ◼   ► Is it that?

01:14:58 ◼   ► Yep.

01:14:58 ◼   ► right? The idea that you have a portable device and it's a tablet or a phone, but then when

01:15:04 ◼   ► you dock it at a desk, it gives you a desktop environment, right? That, I think, is something

01:15:11 ◼   ► that Apple could do much more arrogantly, much more natively with iPadOS than any other company.

01:15:20 ◼   ► And I really believe that. But will they? And that's what I find kind of sad, because

01:15:25 ◼   ► because they've had multiple opportunities over the years.

01:15:28 ◼   ► I mean, the iPad Pro, it's not a young platform anymore.

01:15:32 ◼   ► The iPad Pro will turn seven in November of this year.

01:15:37 ◼   ► Seven years of iPad Pro.

01:15:39 ◼   ► - Wow.

01:15:40 ◼   ► - And we still have split view and slide over.

01:15:44 ◼   ► And now I guess we have the dock and multiple windows,

01:15:47 ◼   ► but I ask you, is that enough for seven years of iPad Pro?

01:15:53 ◼   ► - You know, the more we talk about the iPads situation,

01:15:58 ◼   ► if you will, I mean, the more I really come back

01:16:01 ◼   ► to believing like the core problem here

01:16:03 ◼   ► is that they're trying to solve user interface issues

01:16:08 ◼   ► for a super broad set of people.

01:16:12 ◼   ► And they've got to have an iPad that sells for 329

01:16:17 ◼   ► that it's a bunch of kindergartners are gonna use.

01:16:20 ◼   ► And they also need to sell an iPad

01:16:22 ◼   ► that somebody like you Federico wants to run his business

01:16:25 ◼   ► off of and a user interface and a set of features

01:16:29 ◼   ► that scales to that wide of an audience.

01:16:32 ◼   ► The Mac has the same problem, but the Mac is 40 years old

01:16:37 ◼   ► and so the problems are, even if they're not solved,

01:16:40 ◼   ► they are what they are on the Mac, right?

01:16:43 ◼   ► And people understand there's more traditional

01:16:45 ◼   ► computing methods and Apple wants to reinvent those

01:16:49 ◼   ► for the iPad, I think that's great,

01:16:51 ◼   ► but they've got to find a way to do it

01:16:54 ◼   ► where it works for everybody.

01:16:57 ◼   ► And like, I don't envy that problem,

01:16:59 ◼   ► but at the same time, I totally agree with you.

01:17:02 ◼   ► They should be bolder in what they try.

01:17:05 ◼   ► And if people never come across it or never use it,

01:17:09 ◼   ► that's fine, but be willing to branch out further.

01:17:14 ◼   ► It still feels like they have the sort of original

01:17:19 ◼   ► sit back in a chair, one app at a time,

01:17:22 ◼   ► slow, quiet use of the iPad that was originally shown off.

01:17:26 ◼   ► I feel like they can't shake that or they're unwilling to.

01:17:30 ◼   ► - Honestly, like working on the iPad Pro

01:17:33 ◼   ► and working on the MacBook Pro has given me,

01:17:36 ◼   ► I guess, maybe a fresh perspective on this.

01:17:39 ◼   ► But a lot of the time it feels like

01:17:43 ◼   ► I've had this training wheels on for the past seven years.

01:17:48 ◼   ► You know?

01:17:50 ◼   ► And I ask myself, "Well, you just said, Steven,

01:17:54 ◼   ► that they need to reach this wider audience

01:17:57 ◼   ► and they don't want to complicate things too much

01:18:00 ◼   ► because the iPad is used by children,

01:18:01 ◼   ► it's used by grandparents."

01:18:03 ◼   ► And I get that, but at the same time, I also wonder,

01:18:08 ◼   ► regular people of all kinds are buying laptops,

01:18:12 ◼   ► are buying portable computers.

01:18:14 ◼   ► They run Windows and they buy Macs, they buy MacBook Airs.

01:18:18 ◼   ► It's not an unsolvable or it's not an unsolved problem already.

01:18:25 ◼   ► You already have a user base, a customer base of people purchasing computers,

01:18:32 ◼   ► and not all of them are pros.

01:18:34 ◼   ► You know, you buy a MacBook Pro— Macbook Air, I'm sorry.

01:18:38 ◼   ► It's very likely you're not running Final Cut on that thing,

01:18:41 ◼   ► and you're not doing 3D complex, you know, VR building video games type of work,

01:18:48 ◼   ► but you still buy a MacBook Air.

01:18:50 ◼   ► And so I think Apple, you know, they're pretty smart people,

01:18:55 ◼   ► and they know how to design features for multiple audiences at the same time.

01:19:02 ◼   ► Whereas with the iPad Pro, it feels—honestly, it always feels like

01:19:07 ◼   ► pro features were given to us as a favor.

01:19:10 ◼   ► And you can never shake that feeling

01:19:12 ◼   ► that you're begging and begging and begging,

01:19:14 ◼   ► and eventually they give you the little candy

01:19:16 ◼   ► and they're like, "Here you go.

01:19:18 ◼   ► Don't you like this?"

01:19:19 ◼   ► And you're like, "Yes, more.

01:19:20 ◼   ► No, not for two years."

01:19:23 ◼   ► I'm like, "Okay."

01:19:24 ◼   ► - Damage your teeth.

01:19:26 ◼   ► - This is not like,

01:19:27 ◼   ► this is not even the carrot and the stick.

01:19:29 ◼   ► This is like the carrot and an entire fence of sticks

01:19:33 ◼   ► that you're giving to us over the years.

01:19:36 ◼   ► And it's like, can't you just do it more regularly and not, you know, spread apart by two years

01:19:43 ◼   ► every single time?

01:19:44 ◼   ► Yeah, I mean, they feel so hesitant to change anything.

01:19:47 ◼   ► I mean, I was just sitting here thinking as you were, as you were speaking, the Mac user

01:19:52 ◼   ► interface in like 1984 base, that's basically what we have today, right?

01:19:56 ◼   ► It's menus at the top of the screen, it's icons, it's folders, right?

01:19:59 ◼   ► They sort of nailed it and have been iterating ever since.

01:20:03 ◼   ► And the whole PC industry followed them for the most part.

01:20:06 ◼   ► And on the iPad, I see none of that confidence from Apple.

01:20:10 ◼   ► Like I think even when they do things like quick note, or the the little button at the

01:20:18 ◼   ► top of all the windows to like slide your panels around, like all that feels so like,

01:20:23 ◼   ► hey, this is here if you want it, but we don't want to confuse people like it's Yeah, I would

01:20:28 ◼   ► rather I want to see what you think about this.

01:20:30 ◼   ► I would rather Apple make a big bold change and it not go super well and they have to

01:20:35 ◼   ► like change it. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. Then then the current pace of just like poking around

01:20:40 ◼   ► the edges. Yeah, I totally agree. Like be like be bold. Like the the enthusiasm and

01:20:49 ◼   ► the passion that has transpired from the past two years of the new Mac line and Mac OS that

01:20:58 ◼   ► has made me look at the iPad and iPadOS in a different light, I think. I don't know.

01:21:05 ◼   ► I guess I don't see that passion. I mean, the iPad Pro hardware, the last exciting thing

01:21:12 ◼   ► they've done was the Magic Keyboard with iPadOS 13.4. That was honestly exciting. But then,

01:21:19 ◼   ► again, it stopped. Like, here you go with the Magic Keyboard and no more than this for

01:21:24 ◼   ► It's been two years now, you know?

01:21:27 ◼   ► It was at the beginning of the pandemic.

01:21:30 ◼   ► And it's this thing like you get one thing

01:21:34 ◼   ► every couple of years,

01:21:36 ◼   ► and then you're left wishing for the next 24 months.

01:21:41 ◼   ► And I don't know if I have the patience for that anymore.

01:21:46 ◼   ► And that makes me sad,

01:21:48 ◼   ► and this appointment will go back

01:21:49 ◼   ► to the beginning of this conversation.

01:21:51 ◼   ► It makes me sad,

01:21:52 ◼   ► Because even if I can be very productive and efficient on a MacBook Pro,

01:21:57 ◼   ► a MacBook Pro still doesn't give me that feeling of an iPad Pro,

01:22:02 ◼   ► of like, I'm touching the computer,

01:22:05 ◼   ► and if I want to, I can take it out of the keyboard,

01:22:08 ◼   ► and now it's a tablet in my hands.

01:22:11 ◼   ► That's what really makes me sad and bummed about this,

01:22:15 ◼   ► which is this, fundamentally, the idea of the iPad,

01:22:20 ◼   ► and the iPad Pro specifically,

01:22:22 ◼   ► as it is today. It is so exciting if you think about it. This computer that you hold and

01:22:27 ◼   ► then it becomes a laptop and it could become a desktop workstation. I mean, it's got the

01:22:34 ◼   ► power to run desktop software, but they're not doing it. At some point you just gotta,

01:22:38 ◼   ► you know, pick your poison, I guess. Do you want to have the modern platform but it's

01:22:44 ◼   ► a MacBook Pro that can only ever be a MacBook Pro? Or do you want to continue believing

01:22:50 ◼   ► in the iPad Pro that has the potential to be many more things in the future, and it's

01:22:56 ◼   ► a tablet today, but you gotta risk it, and you gotta continue believing in that potential.

01:23:03 ◼   ► And I guess I'm running out of hope. That would be the conclusion. You know, even I

01:23:09 ◼   ► can run out of hope. Well, it's sad to say, but you gotta be realistic. You know, at some

01:23:15 ◼   ► point you just gotta be realistic. And if all we get in iPadOS 16 is a new app picker,

01:23:25 ◼   ► that's my reaction.

01:23:26 ◼   ► It is a bummer.

01:23:28 ◼   ► James mentioned something in the Discord. "Be bold like the Safari UI." Yes, that is

01:23:36 ◼   ► precisely the point. They went a little too far, but they understood that fundamentally

01:23:43 ◼   ► there was something good about the idea, and they refined that. That's the process. Like,

01:23:49 ◼   ► you swing big, and maybe some things you miss, but if you know that there's something there,

01:23:56 ◼   ► you keep refining it. That's what the beta cycle in the summer is for. But yeah, that's

01:24:01 ◼   ► the kind of change I want to see. That's exactly what I want to see. Like, why does SplitView

01:24:08 ◼   ► have to be the same split view of seven years ago? Like is there really nothing else in the entire

01:24:16 ◼   ► world of modern multitasking that you can try beyond split view? I don't know. I don't know.

01:24:27 ◼   ► Well, we'll just, uh, we'll have to see. More unfolds as we get closer to WVDC. Be at the

01:24:33 ◼   ► the intersection of developer news and features.

01:24:37 ◼   ► That's what that conference is.

01:24:38 ◼   ► - And sadness.

01:24:39 ◼   ► - I got my, that expression,

01:24:44 ◼   ► I feel like we cannot use it for at least three episodes.

01:24:49 ◼   ► - I'm sure we'll remember that.

01:24:50 ◼   ► - I'm sure someone will tell us.

01:24:52 ◼   ► - That's true.

01:24:53 ◼   ► - Three episodes from now,

01:24:54 ◼   ► we can use the intersection thing again.

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