396: The Royal Nobody
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[MUSIC PLAYING]
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[SPEAKING ITALIAN]
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Text expander. That was so funny, man. I love that you did the accent for text expander.
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That was so good. Oh my God. Oh my God. Federico.
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I speak two languages, you know?
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Sometimes I do that. Hi, Steven.
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Hey buddy. How are you?
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Hi. I'm good. I'm good. How are you?
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I'm good. And I have the pleasure to be joined by Myke Hurley.
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"Hello mate!"
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It's my other language, innit?
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You can't really do that anymore, you know?
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You really lost that accent, man.
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You can't tell me, listen to you.
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I mean... fair. Fair. Fair.
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Don't your Italian friends laugh at you? Surely they do, right?
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Oh yeah, no, it's really become a problem now, where I am actually losing the ability to come up with certain words in Italian.
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And really, it's come up a lot lately when I'm sending messages,
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because I'm realizing, thanks to Silvia, who actually notices these things,
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that the way I structure sentences in Italian is wrong,
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because I'm structuring them in English.
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Yep, so I sound like an idiot now in Italian.
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Oh, that's pretty bad.
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That's my problem now.
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You're really stuck now in the middle.
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- So we have some follow-up, yes.
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- Our buddy Quinn Nelson has a video up
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about the Apple Self-Service Repair Program,
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where he went through the process of what you can order,
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how you order it.
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He talked about the website being weird.
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Something that I didn't know
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'cause I actually didn't complete parts order,
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but to do that, you have to find a code
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that's like typed into the repair manual
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to prove that you read the manual,
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or at least know how search works,
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before you order the parts you need.
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- That's intriguing.
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- It's like a escape room for parts ordering or something.
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- I guess they want you to know what you're getting into
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before you order all this stuff,
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and then you feel like you can't do it,
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but what a weird way to do it.
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- I guess my expectation for that is,
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legally, they have to
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get like a consent from you that you've read it, right?
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Like before you blow your house up or something
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from a thermal event.
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Somebody, by the way, I don't wanna out this personally
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'cause I didn't ask.
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I had somebody message me who worked at an Apple store
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who put together a playlist of songs all about fire
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that they could play during the 30 minute breaks
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from all of the thermal events
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that would get caused at the Genius Bar.
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So it's just, it was like 40 songs,
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always some kind of fire element to them.
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And they, they stared it with me in the,
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the icon, like the image of the playlist
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was an Apple store with smoke coming out of it,
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like an actual one.
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I don't know what that was from.
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But yeah, they would just play this in the back
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while they were waiting the 30 minutes
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for the sand to do its job.
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So anyway, my expectation is that like,
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from a legal perspective, they need to get it to a point
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where in court, there's nothing you can do.
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Like if you went and found the code,
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like you've done all the work, right, like as the person,
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that like Apple has no, like you have no legal recourse
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against them at that point,
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moving my expectation, right?
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Like they're just trying to cover their butts.
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Quinn did also post a tweet that he completed a repair
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on a device and he's making a video about that,
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which I'm really excited to see.
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- It's in good hands with him.
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He really knows what he's doing.
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I'd mentioned, I think last time,
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that I was like, "I think he did a repair thing."
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He talked about that in the video as well,
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that he was a big iPhone repair boy for a while there.
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- I want to talk about these wild USB-C cables.
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Federico is our resident USB-C expert.
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What is going on with these?
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- So we heard about these new cables last year,
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and I guess they are official now because this new,
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this company is the first one to actually put out,
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you know, actual specs for the first 240 watt USB-C cables.
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So this will start appearing in the near future, I guess.
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This is the first company that I put out some details.
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They're called, what are they called?
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Yeah, this, it's a Dutch manufacturer of USB-C cables.
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So the idea is you're going to get these cables soon enough,
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in the near future,
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that are going to charge your devices super fast at 240 watts.
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Now, none of this matters right now
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because there are no devices on the market
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that support 240 watt charging via USB-C.
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But the idea is that in the future,
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this may be suitable for gaming laptops.
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You know, gaming laptops,
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they usually come with these giant charging bricks
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because those gaming laptops, you know,
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You get the laptop version of, I don't know,
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you get an Asus or a Dell or,
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what's it called the other one, the Alienware one.
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Anyway, you get one of those laptops
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that have a 38 inside, for example,
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and they run super hot,
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and they also require a ton of power.
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So the idea is, with these cables,
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you may not need to have the giant separate charging bricks
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for those laptops.
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You can get just this kind of cable
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that charges your laptop super fast.
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Now, no existing devices can use these cables yet.
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No smartphone, no laptop, no computer, nothing.
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But the theoretical potential is there.
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Now, this company specifically is going to put out--
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and this is where the complications arise, of course.
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USB being USB, it's going to get complicated.
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Because this company alone, so this first company,
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has already announced three versions of this cable.
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My understanding is that all of them,
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they charge at up to 240 watts.
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However, only one, the shortest cable, the one meter cable,
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can do 8K, 60 frames per second video,
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40 gigabit per second data transfer,
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and 240 watt charging.
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But there's also a two meter version, so a longer version,
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that however cuts off at half the data rate.
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So it cuts off a 20 gigabit per second transfer rate,
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but still 240 watt.
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And then there's the weird one.
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Another two meter cable with USB two speeds.
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So like 480 megabit per second or something.
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I don't know.
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- That one's just a prank.
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This one is just, it's just a prank.
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This one I feel like.
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- Or I mean, I guess if the other ones are expensive,
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this will be like the,
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I'm putting giant air quotes around it, cheap one.
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Like if you just want a power cable and you don't.
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- If you just, I think that's the idea, right?
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If you just want a power cable,
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you don't need to put the actual stuff in it.
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So you make the cable cheaper,
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but still support the super fast charging.
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- Okay, so it does 4K 60.
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So I guess you could also,
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no, the one with the 20 gigabits per second does 4K 60.
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Yeah, so I guess it's that one is just for, I don't know,
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power or small simple monitors or whatever, right?
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Because I would say the 8K is maybe a bit much, you know?
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- The thing is the USB implementers forum,
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the USB consortium is going to of course allow manufacturers
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to mix and match specs for the upcoming USB.
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I think this is called-
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- What is wrong with these people?
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This is the USB 4 standard, I think, and they're going to allow manufacturers to mix and match
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different specs, like Club 3D have done.
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But potentially good news, this time they have official labels and stickers that they
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will put out on logos, that they will put on cables.
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So there's like an official graphic for 240W cable, 240W charging brick, 40Gbps data.
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They have like these little cute stickers now, and maybe that's gonna fix everything,
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maybe not, because I am sure, like I would wager lots of money right now, that they will
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change the standard at least twice over the next two years, as it happened before with
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USB 3, then USB 3.1, then USB 3.2.
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So it's gonna happen again, but long story short, this super-fast charging is coming,
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maybe in a couple of years you can buy a gaming laptop that doesn't require a separate giant
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brick anymore.
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And you can use it and charge it at the same time maybe, you know?
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You can play the Addon Ring and you can play GTA 6 and charge and play at the same time.
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Steven's favorite.
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Steven's favorite.
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I know, I was waiting for that one.
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I've got a t-shirt on sale.
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Congratulations.
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I would like people to go check it out.
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So can you explain it to me?
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Oh, it's about the Lisa, local integrated software architecture. Oh, I just got it.
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I didn't know this until I saw the t-shirt. I didn't get it. I didn't know this was a
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thing like the blah blah blah blah blah blah blah whatever you'd call it. Local integrated
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software architecture. That's a backronym, right?
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Oh, for sure because, you know, it was really named after his daughter, but it took him
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years to apparently admit that, which is terrible. But yeah, so this is, it's
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honoring the Lisa. It's got some line art of Lisa. It's on like, the shirt
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does not have a pocket, but it's printed like on like where like the chest pocket
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would be. Comes in a couple different colors. I'm a big fan of the black forest
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tri-blend, like the black and green. I think it looks really nice. I kind of
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wanted like early 80s vibe a little bit, so I did that without being sort of
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obnoxious with the colors and I'm really pleased with how it's come out. What I
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like about this t-shirt because Steven was sending this to me, I heavily
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encouraged him to do this so please buy it because otherwise this is partly my
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fault. What I like about this t-shirt is it looks like the shirt you would have
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been given if you worked on the project right like if you made the Lisa they
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would have given you one of these so pretend like you made the Lisa and buy
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this t-shirt. There you go yeah yeah the building I link in the show notes and in
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In my post on 512 about it, I talked a little bit more about the name and how it basically
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came out like years later, like I think in Lisa's book, like a story about being with
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her dad, and I want to say it was Bono, some musician.
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And he was like, so the computer was named after her, right?
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And he he admitted it.
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But yeah, they sort of had a backwards engineer, local integrated software architecture.
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Another example from the time period was, "Let's invent some acronym, LISA," which is
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Oh wow, that's a bad burn, right?
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Like that's rough.
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It's pretty awesome.
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That's rough.
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Also, local integrated software architecture, sounds like it could be a connected title.
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A little bit.
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We have that history, right?
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Of the four word titles.
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Yeah, so yeah, they're for sale through May 12th, so I'd love if you'd go check it out.
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I'm really proud of it.
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Did you both buy a shirt?
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Yeah, I bought the green one.
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I'm buying it right now.
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I bought the green one, so.
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Get off our case, geez.
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I'm not sure about the color myself, actually.
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I don't think green is a good color on me.
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I think you'd look good in the red.
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I think so, too.
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Can you imagine if he's like, "I hate red"?
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Or orange. I think orange is also a good color.
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I wanted the orange too, but I ended up going with green.
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Although the red one speaks to me.
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Yeah, I'm going with the red one.
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Awesome. Thank you.
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Do you go tri-blend or conten, Federico?
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Tri-blend, always.
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I'm wearing a tri-blend cortex shirt right now.
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I'm wearing the tiny heads tee.
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Seriously, I am man. I wear it a lot when we record the show. Do you? Yeah, just as
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like a haha to all the listeners who tell me they want one but didn't buy one in the
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struggling right now because Safari is crashing on me. Can I just take a quick
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aside and just talk about like Safari on the Mac is driving me mad again.
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Please. Yes. It just every day like I have this but like all of a sudden Safari
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it's just beach balling on me right now. All I did was open a tab like I don't
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I don't know what do you want from me, you know?
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Or like I have this thing where,
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I don't know if anybody else has this.
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I open a tab and I type something in, right?
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Like, you know, you use like the search, I press enter.
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It loads the, it loads the content, closes the tab.
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It does this to me multiple times a day.
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I don't know why.
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So like I say, like, I want to search
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for like Federico Vittucci and I press enter
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and it opens the Google search
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and then immediately closes the tab.
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I, this happens to me all the time.
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Does this happen to you too?
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This is only on the Mac, this happens to me.
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- No, I've never seen that.
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- So do you two use tab groups?
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- No. - No, never.
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- Okay, I use tab groups
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and I reckon this is part of the problem.
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I use tab groups a lot
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and I think something's freaking out in there
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because of that.
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It's very frustrating to me.
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I have to force quit Safari now.
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So, just give me one second, all right?
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I'm getting there.
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I'm trying my best, you know,
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but this has nothing to do with me.
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- This is great content, I love it.
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- I'm vamping.
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All right, so now I'm gonna open the link again.
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Okay, we're hosting a special,
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Nope, we've already got that part.
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This is the eligibility, right?
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So attending this event is free and open to members
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of the Apple Developer Program
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and Apple Developer Enterprise Program.
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Invitations will be allocated
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through a random selection process and a non-transferable.
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Submit your request on May 9th to May 11th,
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and you'll be notified of your status on May 12th.
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That's what they're going for.
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- This celebration marks the start
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of an inspiring week of sessions, labs, and lounges,
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all online and with more activities than ever.
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- I mean, I think this is basically what we expected.
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Random selection process, I would put random
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and again, air quotes, I'm sure they are.
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- There will be an element of it, I'm sure.
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- There'll be an element of randomness for some seats.
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Some seats I'm sure will be selected.
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You know, it closes the same day,
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or you'd be notified the same day
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as the final day of ordering a 512 t-shirt.
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So Apple and I coordinated on this, clearly.
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- Oh really?
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- They're doing it in honor of 512 day.
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- Oh, that's amazing.
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- Yeah, I thought it was pretty cool of them.
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- Gather with others in the developer community
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to watch the keynote and the State of the Union videos
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alongside Apple engineers and experts.
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Explore the all new developer center and so much more.
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What's the developer center?
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I said this and Stephen said,
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"Hey, that's the website."
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And I was like, "Oh, okay."
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- Sit down and explore a website.
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- But I felt like, oh, okay,
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maybe they have a new update for the developer center.
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- Now it turns out it's also a building.
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So this first came up of all places
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in the Apple EPIC lawsuit.
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I guess Phil Schiller was talking about
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what they do for developers,
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and he mentioned that there was going to be
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a dedicated developer center somewhere at Apple Park.
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And that's basically all we know,
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is that there's going to be a place where,
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I guess developers in Apple can interface somehow,
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and apparently it's ready, or will be ready.
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People will be able to see it, probably tour it
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while out there if you're selected in this drawing
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to go to the event.
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I don't know what this building means moving forward.
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Like, is it gonna be a thing where you can
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like make an appointment and maybe Apple lets you come out
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and work on something with them?
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Like who knows?
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I'm very curious what it entails.
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- Yeah, it's weird, right?
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Like, what do you put, like, is it like the visitor center,
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but just a developer version?
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You know, like it's very strange.
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Is it gonna be like one of those schools that they have?
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Like there's one in Italy.
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You know what I'm talking about, like the developer academies, what are they called?
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Yeah, I know what you're talking about.
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I think they have one in India too.
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It's one in Naples for sure.
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Yeah, and James points out it'd probably be in a nice isolated place
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so you can bring developers in without having any security issues.
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you know, maybe this is something where if there's like
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minor announcements throughout the year,
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maybe Apple even does them from here, you know,
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for select developer partners, or if they're, you know,
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bringing somebody in, like Apple loves to do this,
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especially if there's like a big,
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like technology shift in software,
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or sometimes they do it with hardware too,
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of like, oh, we invited EA in and they got their game
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up and running on this in just six days.
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And you know, maybe that sort of thing will happen here too,
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because it's sort of isolated and controlled like James said it's not just
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wandering around the ring. Sounds like a great thing to have if you're gonna be
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having like a mixed reality headset you know. I want people to come and try out their
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apps on a mixed reality headset like I always think back to with this kind of
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the Apple watch remember when they had developers go to infinite loop and like
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try the apps on the Apple watch remember that? Oh yeah kind of. Yeah so like they
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had like a time period from when it was announced before it came out where select developers
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could apply and go to Apple's, I think it was infinite loop then, and you would get
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time with Apple over a few day period and you could run your apps on their test hardware
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for the watch. So this is the kind of thing I expect that they'll do. Going back to the
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developer focused event, they have like a health and safety section. They want proof
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of negative COVID test within three days, masks are encouraged and they have nothing
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on vaccination proof required for the event and are saying they will provide details on
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the latest requirements to attendees prior to the event. I'm assuming if things change.
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That's less stringent than I thought it would be.
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Well, I actually think this matches what they're asking from their employees because Apple
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does not have a vaccine mandate and they never have.
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Yeah, and they say that they'll provide more details. So I would imagine if the situation
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with COVID changes drastically in California, you know, they are holding back a little bit
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saying, "Hey, we can change these rules if we feel like they need to or if they're mandated
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to somehow."
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And we don't know if it's inside or outside.
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They haven't said anything about that kind of stuff yet.
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I just always naturally assumed that they would be performing like lateral flow tests,
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like the antigen tests on anybody going in, but maybe they will, maybe they won't.
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It's their choice, right?
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People know, right?
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Like if you are uncomfortable with that, don't apply.
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- I mean, it says you have to provide proof
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no more than three days before.
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I don't think they're gonna be doing tests there.
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I think you've got to show up with that in your hand or--
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- Well, yeah, but you could do both, right?
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- Maybe. - You could still do both.
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- So yeah, I mean, my biggest takeaway of this,
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like, yeah, it's about what we expected.
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May 12th is like three weeks or something,
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three and a half weeks before the event.
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So if you're going, it's a pretty short time to plan something, but I guess.
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Yeah. It doesn't seem like that they,
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well at least they haven't said that they're restricting it.
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Like they're not saying it's US only or whatever. Right. So, but yeah,
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like if you, at least, at least they are saying like,
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this is the date you will be told.
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Like I like that. I think that's a really good system to be like, if you know,
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you will be told by this time, like May 12th, 6 PM Pacific,
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like that's it you know I guess one way or another right you got to throw your
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name in the ring for this no no I'm not gonna do that I did say I would apply
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for a WWE C pass this ain't it right this is not a WWE C pass I'm not I'm not
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gonna put my name in for this no sure you don't want to see the developer
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center be taken there never to be seen again I want to see it I would like to
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go and see it all but I'm not gonna I'm not gonna put my name in for this like I
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I mean, it's gonna look like just everything else
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their architecture looks like now, right?
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- I like it.
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You love to see it.
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- Listener Caleb is unhappy with my Flexi title.
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- Who chose it?
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- I thought the Discord did and I just adopted it.
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So Caleb wrote in, "Each time you read the bill of keys,
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there seems to be a noticeable disdain in your voice
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for the title Attorney General Flexi.
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As a former US history teacher," Caleb writes,
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"I thought I would dig in a bit to our government
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via Wikipedia and see if there are any better possible titles I could suggest.
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So there's about a dozen in here. Chief Flexi of the United States, Ambassador
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Flexordinary. What is that? Ambassador Extraordinary I think is a term
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and he's made it. Flex. If you were gonna do that I would prefer Ambassador
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Flex-ordinaire. Yeah me too. But you know. Speaker of the Flexis, Secretary of
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flexies, a flex majority leader, flex majority whip.
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Isn't as dirty as it sounds.
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No, I prefer flex majority leader.
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Like that's just very good.
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Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Flexis.
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Undersecretary of Flexis.
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He wrote commandant, maybe commander of the Flexis.
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That's commandant, right?
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Isn't that commandant?
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Oh, that's what it is.
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Commandant, okay.
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Fancy enough.
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Commandant, okay.
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and then flex master general ag flexi is the best just yes, in my opinion,
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attorney general flexi is still the best one. However,
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speaker of the flexi is also true for you. Yeah, you are the speaker of the
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flexi, but the problem is you are the speaker of the rickies always like
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always as the rule leader. So I feel like that is just an honorary title bestowed
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you irrespective of any win or loss. Yeah I feel like that one doesn't work
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for that reason that's like a you know a state of being really. Yeah which is you
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you are that being. Yes yes. These are really good. They are good. But I would
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miss AG Flexi too much. I think I would too. I really do like Chairman of the
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Joint Chiefs of Flexis. Right but that makes it feel like... Oh it's got Chairman
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than a two. Oh, well then you can't do it. Yeah. Well that also makes it sound like
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you're our bosses or something like which I don't like. Kate says that I've
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slandered the discord they did not come up with Attorney General Flexy. Okay was
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it you then? I guess maybe so. Right if it was you then you can't change this.
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Yeah. You chose it you know. Well it's known to be a flip-flop-er though. Yes
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Uh-huh. Flexi Flip-Flop.
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Flexi Flip-Flop.
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You can change to that if you like.
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FFF. Flexi Flip-Flop.
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These are all good, but I think I'm gonna stay put.
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I feel like a touring general Flexi, you know, has the momentum behind it.
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It also, I don't know, because I like a good 80s vibe, like AC Slater.
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You know, like AG Flexi, you know, I like that too.
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I don't know, it also reminds me of those TV shows like NCIS or, you know, what's the other one?
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Like CSI, you know, let's talk to the attorney general. I don't know, it just feels very,
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very American, you know? Get the attorney general on the phone. Crimes! Crimes have happened!
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Yeah, so thank you, Caleb. I appreciate you looking out for me and for our government,
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but I think I have to pass on the suggestions.
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- Our government, the three of us?
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- I mean, Caleb and I shared government.
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- I'm assuming he's American as he taught US history.
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I mean, I don't think US history
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is being taught in other countries.
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- Can I be a Frenchman teaching US history?
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He's got a t-shirt for sale.
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sorry, and I found out that 1Password 8 for Mac had been released to the public. I feel
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like I'd forgotten about this for a long time because I wasn't using the beta because I
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don't know why, I don't know what you two both were, I would not use a beta of my password
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manager. That freaks me out a little bit as a thought. I don't want things like that going
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I love the new system-wide thing with the audio fill with the command
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shift what's it space like that floating like universal search thing that I
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actually really like I love the design it really works for me yeah. Stephen what
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you like? Yeah, the design is nice. I think the universal
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you can invoke one password. And they're doing a bunch of stuff
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in the background to like know what applications in the
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foreground and it can bring up Oh, these are your resume
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logins and you can autofill it from anywhere. It used to be that was just
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like trapped in your browser now it's across a bunch of different apps on the
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Mac and that's that's pretty awesome. So this isn't like officially supported
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like it is on iOS? Right, Mac OS doesn't have a mechanism as long as far as I'm
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aware for third parties to do this on the Mac and so they've kind of worked
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through like the accessibility angle to understand what's on the screen, figure out where the
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fields are and to fill it. It's clever. I wish Apple had a more like sustainable way
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for that to happen and maybe they will.
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This is what makes me love like this sort of like they put all this work in and then
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in like six weeks time Apple's like hey we've brought this feature to the Mac. But maybe
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not though I don't know.
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possible you know but they've they're gonna have users I guess on Monterey for
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a while so even if Apple offered it that I'm sure they wouldn't mind having it
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there for older older OS's. And this also might exist I don't know but maybe this
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will exist on Windows too right for for 1Password. Yeah I was a little bit
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confused by this universal autofill thing at first because I thought that
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that they sacrificed the menu bar app, like 1Password Mini for it, because now by default
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when you click the menu bar thing you just get two options. One is to open 1Password and
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one is to open the universal search thing, which I thought was a not great move. That
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was just like breaking how I use it. But you can change in settings to like when you click
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that it opens the universal search thing which I only do this just so like I can get used
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to the new behavior of a keyboard shortcut but I was very used to like just going up
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there and clicking the menu bar too so I'm happy that it has that it's just like it's
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just how I've used it for years right like I've just gone up there and clicked.
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Interesting. Why is this happening to me right now?
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But yeah so never mind. This Fiery extension doesn't follow the theme color of Mac OS this
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This is very upsetting to me.
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I'm sure it's a bug.
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They'll work out.
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Well, I mean, now it's their colors, so I don't think it's a bug.
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Oh, that's no good.
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They've branded it.
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It's now a little one password icon with the silver and the blue.
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Do you not use the extension?
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I use Chrome.
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Of course you do.
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And I never use dark mode on my Mac, so that's why I didn't notice.
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Yeah, there's that too.
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Wait, what's dark mode got to do with it though?
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It's dark mode, gotta do it, gotta do it.
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Oh, you didn't mean, you meant the appearance color, not the light or dark mode.
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Yeah, like, I have the little, like mine are yellow, right?
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Because it matches my Mac.
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Oh, yeah, I actually set mine to purple too.
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And yeah, I didn't notice that.
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So now I've got the little, like everything else is yellow up there except one password.
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And I'm like, come on, one password.
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Right, right.
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Well, it's the one password blue though, like it's the branding, no?
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But I don't, I mean, yeah.
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hmm yes but everything else that I have follows the theme color as system you
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know so I just I would just prefer if they did it that way but they haven't so
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whatever okay I mean obviously there was so much hullabaloo right about the
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electron stuff is that a thing like what is the hullabaloo was the hullabaloo
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worth it is my question let me I should disclose they are a ongoing sponsor at
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Mac power users. So there's that. I think we've talked about this on the show. I think
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that the argument about electron on the Mac is kind of kind of dumb. I think it's really
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an argument about how those apps are implemented. Yes. One password. Yeah, like you mean a discerning
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Mac user is going to know there's something different about it. But it mostly looks and
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works the way that you would expect. And that wasn't true in the early betas. This we just
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one password on the Mac has been in beta since the fall. I think it's been a long time a long time
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and they spent a lot of that time rightfully so fixing a bunch of those weird UI things.
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You can tell but I don't think it's a big deal because it continues to work the way that it did.
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You know you can like you said you can even revert the menu bar item back to the old the old method
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that's what you want. You can still use it in your browsers. I mean, and talking with
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them and reading through their stuff, like, if all you do is basically just use it to
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create passwords and save passwords in your browser, you probably don't even see the app
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all that often.
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I mean, the app looks better.
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It does look better.
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You know, so, like, I know that it fundamentally bothers people, but it looks nicer than it
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did before so I you know I don't really know what to say.
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It says who cares like this thing about like oh it's election who cares like the
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only people who care about this stuff. Well people care. No but why like does it do
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what you want it to do? Great. Does it not? Don't use it. There's no need to start a
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war about all these things like who cares like move on and try something
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else like not everything needs to be like this crusade against products like
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whatever the world is full of other apps use something else we don't know right
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you can you can use the system one which I think will get promoted to like a
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fuller app suppose it doesn't make a preference pain sooner rather than later
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now there's a big debate like no I don't care about the debate choose another
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password manager you know like I mean it looks nicer it works better great for me
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you don't like it good for you try something else done I've tried those
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other ones. And I still think one password is the best solution out there. I think it's
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better than the system stuff, because it can do a lot more, including it now has support
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for creating and using SSH keys, which is really cool. There are some other things though,
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that people are unhappy with. I agree with federal code electron things, not a big deal
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to me. They've gotten rid of local vaults, which they said this was going to be the case
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a long time ago. And what that means is, so in the past, you've been able to just use
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one password, if you just had it like on your Mac, you could just have it have those credentials
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like just on your computer, right not syncing to a one password server anywhere.
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You could also sync those through Dropbox think that iCloud support as well.
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But now they've moved completely to the subscription model of you have to use one password eight
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with a one password account, whether it's a personal account, a family account like
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like Mary and I have, or a business account like Myke,
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you and I have.
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And so for me, that's no big deal at all.
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I was already paying for family and teams
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because I got benefit from that.
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I haven't used a local vault in years.
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And honestly, like I trust 1Password to do that correctly.
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I know some people wanna sync it to Dropbox
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or wanna sync it to iCloud, I understand that.
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But from my perspective, I'm fine with it.
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And if there is ever an app that I wanna pay
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on a regular basis for it to continue to get better
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and for them to stay on top of their stuff
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is my password manager, right?
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Because they can, with that, continue to do what they do.
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And even a company like 1Password,
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which has taken a lot of funding,
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yet something else people are mad about about them.
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I'm still fine, you know, I pay it yearly.
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I just paid my family's one like a couple of weeks ago.
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- I mean, this is the way it's been,
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this is the way it was always gonna go.
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And they announced it a long time ago.
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And again, if that doesn't work for you,
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there are other solutions,
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including Apple zone that uses iCloud.
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But for me, I want and need the features
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that those plans give me.
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So I get work, Myke and I have,
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we have a vault that we share.
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We have a vault that we share with some of our contractors.
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And then I have my own personal vault that you can't see,
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but it's in my relay account, right?
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It's my work stuff there.
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Same thing, what secrets, you know,
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just to keep between me and my computer.
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Same thing at home.
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I've got a vault, Mary has a vault, we have a combined one.
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That is critical to how I like work with people I work with
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and how Mary and I share login information.
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So I'm totally fine, continue to pay that.
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- I do understand Dev1 a little bit more,
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'cause I can imagine that there may be, I mean,
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I'm sure there are some customers who,
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not necessarily just don't want a subscription service,
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but just don't ever want to sync this stuff in the cloud?
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Like, I think that that's a valid thing,
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like to just be like, I don't want it ever syncing.
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I just want it to live on my computer only.
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And I guess 1Password 7 is still available to you,
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but it won't be.
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I mean, I do say,
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I understand why that could frustrate people,
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but ultimately 1Password is allowed
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make its own decisions as a company, right?
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And this is the way that they want to go to...
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I was gonna say to be sustainable, but I don't think that's the case anymore.
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It's not about sustainability for subscriptions now for a venture backed company.
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It's about recurring revenue so they can continue to be profitable and valuable.
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Yeah, and I get that. I totally do.
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The sort of the last thing that came up in the Discord,
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there is a open test flight for 1Password 8 for iOS,
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and it brings a lot of this look and feel
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to the iPhone and iPad.
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I've only used it a little bit,
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so I think we'll cover that once it actually comes out.
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I don't know when that is, maybe, probably later this year.
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- It's SwiftUI, right?
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It's all written in SwiftUI.
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- I have read that, I'm not positive.
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It updates the iOS app to look and feel more like
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the Mac app, and I think their goal with moving to Electron
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and it uses Rust as their backend stuff
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is to keep 1Password updated more frequently
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and more evenly across all these platforms, right?
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So if you ever use 1Password on Windows,
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like no offense to the people at 1Password
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who work on the Windows app, it's not great.
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Like the Mac version was way better.
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And now with this, all of their customers
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will experience a similar workflow, look and feel,
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you know, feature set across all the platforms.
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And that's important because they are serving people
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in all sorts of different markets now,
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not just us fancy Mac people anymore.
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- It is SwiftUI and Rust.
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- Is the current version of the iOS app.
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- Rust is a multi-paradigm
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general purpose programming language.
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- I would hate it if my vault was filled with Rust
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'cause then it wouldn't open
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and I wouldn't get my passwords anymore.
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- Yeah, maybe that's what happens.
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Maybe the old app was built on metal
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and now it's been replaced with Rust.
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So 1Password 8.
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If you're using 7, go check it out.
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I've been impressed with it.
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Yeah, I ran the beta a long time.
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I definitely had that thought, Myke,
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that you mentioned, like,
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maybe I don't want my passwords in a beta,
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but it was solid in the beta,
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and the release version is good too.
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- Yeah, it just, for me,
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it just kind of felt like something I wasn't excited enough
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that I felt like I needed to check out
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before they were ready to say it's done.
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- Yeah, totally.
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Like, I was just fine with, like, just waiting.
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And then, I mean, as soon as it came out,
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I was like, great, I wanna go get it,
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'cause I think visually it looks really nice.
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But I will tell you right now,
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I will just say this again.
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Maybe I'm not discerning enough,
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but if there wasn't that whole hullabaloo,
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I would never have known that it wasn't native.
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Like I never would have known
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I would just, I would not have been able to guess.
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was really into it. Like, I did the work to set it up for different scenarios, for different
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times of the day, different triggers, and that was the problem with it. And that was
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why eventually I stopped using it, and why I also think it didn't really make a dent
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in how people are using their phones. It requires a ton of work upfront. There's a ton of friction
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on the user to get started with focus mode and to really customize it to your needs.
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And if Apple, like if they continue working on this, meaning if it doesn't go the way
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of screen time, where it got popular for that year that everybody was talking about like,
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"Oh, our habits when we're using our phones, digital attention and all that kind of digital
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well-being," like Apple rolled out the feature and then they kind of forgot about it.
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So if it doesn't go like that, and I don't think it will because do not disturb it's
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something more universal, something that a ton of people use. If the company continues
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to work on this, I think they should really...
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If they continue to focus on it.
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Yes. Oh my God. If they continue to work on this feature, they should try and figure out
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ways to make it easier to get started.
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easier to say, like, basically, don't punish me if I'm gonna set up five different focus modes,
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but even things like copy and paste settings between modes. It's a ton of work to pick every
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single individual app and every single person and customizing the settings, and it's so much work
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that most people will be like, you know what, I'm just gonna stick with Do Not Disturb and that's it.
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Yeah, my biggest issue with focus modes and something that I would want to see them change
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because I just think it's a really weird decision,
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is that everything that you choose,
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you must choose explicitly,
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where I would just like to remove the things
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that I don't want.
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Because I remember when you were running your time
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where you were always in a focus mode.
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I think I remember one of the things that I said to you
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was like, how do you deal with when you add a new app
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or a new contact?
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You have to remember to put them in to all of the modes.
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- I actually have a solution for that, I think.
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So say that you, yeah, say you install a new application
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and it has notifications.
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When that panel comes up and says, you know,
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one, two, three app would like to send you notifications,
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I would love from there to say, okay, it's allowed
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in this, this, and this focus mode.
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Or it's not allowed in the others.
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'Cause right now you have to step through
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the focus workflow every time.
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It's really, that's always struck me as odd
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because maybe just the way I think about it,
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but notifications and focus modes
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are like two sides of the same coin.
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Why can't I get to that from the other side?
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I don't know, it seems so simple to me,
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maybe I'm missing something,
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but I think that would be a nice way to elevate it
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and make it a little bit easier to get into.
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Because if you don't do it,
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then your systems slowly break down over time, right?
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Because you've installed new things,
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you have new contacts, whatever,
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and six months down the road,
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your focus modes don't really do what they were supposed to do
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because you've added all this stuff
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and they are unaware of it.
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- Don't really know how Apple,
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we're saying these things and they make sense,
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but practically speaking, how do you fix them?
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I don't know.
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But I think as,
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I don't put a lot of faith into Apple saying,
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oh, now it's easier to get started with focus modes
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because we are using intelligence
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to determine the apps and contacts you want.
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And like, that's not a solution
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because I don't fully trust your quote unquote
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intelligent Siri based system to determine the apps.
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But make it easier for me,
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like I mentioned copy and paste up between different modes
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for the settings that you use, that could be one idea.
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Another one could be what Myke said of like,
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rather than include things,
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start from an exclusion standpoint,
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sort of like here's the default,
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Just pick out the things you want to leave out.
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So that could be another way to build a focus mode.
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Maybe, maybe I'm just saying this,
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maybe make focus modes shareable
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so that people can build a template for a focus mode
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and they can share it with you.
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And so it's easier to get started.
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- Maybe that will be just as successful and popular
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as Apple Watch sharing.
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- As soon as I said it, I thought of it.
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I was like, you know.
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So there was a general notification overhaul.
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One of the things was notification summaries,
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which I tried once and never tried again.
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- Oh, I've leaned into it.
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- No. - Big time.
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- Sir, you have the floor.
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- I went through, I only have a couple of apps
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that are allowed to send time sensitive ones.
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And those are the ones that stick around
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for like an hour, I think.
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And before they end up back,
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they sort of stick to the lock screen, basically.
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They don't disappear into notification center
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after you've unlocked the phone.
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Got a couple apps that do that.
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It's Todoist and maybe Messages, and maybe the only two.
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And then I've got some that send me regular notifications
00:51:37
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like they always have, but a bunch of stuff that like,
00:51:40
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yeah, I'd like to know what's going on in here,
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but it's not critical, I've shoved off into the summary.
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And I've got three summaries a day.
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I've got 8 a.m., so it catches overnight stuff,
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noon and then 8 p.m.
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So it kind of splits the day.
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And it's worked out really well, actually.
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So things like Parcel or TestFlight or,
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I'm trying to unlock my phone as I talk
00:52:09
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and find other examples,
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but it's just a handful of things
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that I've moved out into that scheduled summary.
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- You think you know a guy, you know?
00:52:19
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- Yeah, right.
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So it was redesigned in iOS 15.2.
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They now have this floating bubble type thing going on.
00:52:29
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Used to be this very boring stack of notifications,
00:52:33
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and in 15.2 they gave it a bit of a new design.
00:52:36
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I think it shares many of the same problems of focus modes,
00:52:42
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meaning you gotta do a ton of work up front, right?
00:52:45
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And it's not...
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My problem with the notification summary is that
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It's a binary thing.
00:52:52
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Like you can set up multiple summaries,
00:52:54
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but you can only send notifications to one summary
00:52:58
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that gets delivered at multiple times throughout the day.
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Whereas what I would have liked to see was,
00:53:04
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okay, give me a news summary,
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give me an entertainment summary,
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give me a gaming summary, give me a social summary.
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Like let me set up categories of apps
00:53:15
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so that I can triage my notifications like that
00:53:17
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so that I know that in the evening
00:53:18
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I get my social media summary.
00:53:20
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And maybe in the morning, I get my news-based summary.
00:53:24
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Like, that was my hope for this feature,
00:53:26
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but now it's just, yeah,
00:53:28
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it's just set up multiple schedules like an alarm,
00:53:31
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and otherwise you just mark things as going into the summary,
00:53:34
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but that's all you can do.
00:53:35
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You cannot categorize anything.
00:53:37
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And I realized that asking for more categorization
00:53:40
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may be in direct opposition to saying,
00:53:43
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require less work from the user.
00:53:45
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But in this case, I would be up to see something like Apple categorizing things for you.
00:53:52
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They do have, I'll share this, that there is a precedent for Apple using categories
00:53:59
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to automatically organize stuff for you on your device.
00:54:03
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And that's the app library.
00:54:05
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So why not use those same categories to automatically create summaries for you?
00:54:11
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And then you can set up the schedules you want.
00:54:13
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But you could say, "Gaming notifications,
00:54:15
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go into the gaming summary."
00:54:17
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You know, maybe that's a direction that could be explored.
00:54:21
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- Time-sensitive notifications.
00:54:23
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- They're okay, some apps have been abusing them.
00:54:25
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I've seen some apps that,
00:54:27
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do you really need a time-sensitive indication
00:54:30
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for a movie ticket?
00:54:31
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Like, no, you don't.
00:54:35
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- I have very few, very, very few time-sensitive,
00:54:38
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like they're just, there aren't really many applications
00:54:42
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or all that I think need this.
00:54:45
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And also just like, I'm not particularly fond
00:54:48
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of the way that iOS handles it.
00:54:50
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It's like too aggressive,
00:54:53
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which is why like I don't even have like calendar alarms
00:54:56
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as like calendar alerts as time sensitive
00:54:58
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'cause it's too aggressive.
00:54:59
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You can't get rid of them.
00:55:01
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And I know that's kind of the point,
00:55:03
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but I tend not to like it.
00:55:05
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- Yeah, I think the key there is find the one or two
00:55:08
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you really need and don't put any others in that category. It also says time
00:55:14
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sensitive and capital letters at the top of the notification. Way too bold, way way
00:55:18
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way too bold. Really annoying. Not a big fan of that. Quick note which is
00:55:24
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barely an iOS feature. Barely an iOS feature. I mean you can see the
00:55:32
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Quick Notes, but this is all. Like, I actually, in the next app stories, I went down this
00:55:39
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rabbit hole about Quick Notes and how it works. But basically, my problem is that it's not
00:55:46
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cross-platform. It's really an iPadOS feature that was kind of tucked on MacOS and iOS.
00:55:52
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On iOS, it does nothing, right? You only see the Quick Notes in the Quick Notes folder,
00:55:57
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but it doesn't--
00:55:59
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is weird, but it doesn't do anything. It doesn't support the swiping from the bottom to capture
00:56:06
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a Quick Note. It doesn't support the highlights. If you've saved highlights from a Safari page,
00:56:13
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it doesn't do anything. So this is part of a bigger thing that I would like to see, which
00:56:16
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is proper multitasking on the iPhone, but I guess we'll talk about that in the future.
00:56:21
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But yeah, barely an iOS feature. And also it's not an API, so I don't know. Should Quick
00:56:28
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to be something that developers can customize should be...
00:56:31
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Like, I would love to do anything
00:56:34
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in floating Quick Note mode, personally.
00:56:38
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Like, not even note-taking, right?
00:56:40
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I'm just, I don't know, floating Twitter, you know?
00:56:43
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That's not a terrible idea.
00:56:44
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Like, I love the, um...
00:56:46
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That's terrible.
00:56:47
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I love the picture-in-picture on iPhone for video.
00:56:52
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So, like, it totally works.
00:56:54
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Like, if that's allowed, right, why not Quick Note?
00:56:58
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I don't get it. Shareplay, which we spent a bit of time talking about over the last
00:57:03
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couple of weeks, like none of us use it, none of us really see a need for it, but we heard
00:57:08
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from lots of passionate ones that do use it. Lots of legitimate use cases for most people,
00:57:15
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it's possibly a gimmick, but I haven't seen anyone in real life talk about this, but some
00:57:22
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Some people have some quite actually sweet and legitimate uses for this, so great for
00:57:33
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Looking at just the general impact on the people as this entity of the general public
00:57:40
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that we like to be experts of sometimes, I don't see it in real life.
00:57:47
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FaceTime got a bunch of updates including a grid view for group calls, FaceTime on the
00:57:54
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web and audio and visual effects like blurring the background and you could do stuff with
00:58:01
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your voice to try and cut out some sound stuff.
00:58:04
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Here's the thing, I don't use FaceTime really.
00:58:08
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Yeah, that's the thing.
00:58:10
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That's the problem.
00:58:11
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Definitely not in groups if I ever use FaceTime.
00:58:15
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I've never done a serious group FaceTime.
00:58:19
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It's always Zoom.
00:58:20
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- Effects for anything in Apple software,
00:58:24
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like you get these effects in iMessage,
00:58:27
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in clips, in FaceTime.
00:58:30
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Those are the definition of a gimmick.
00:58:32
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I've used it once, I think.
00:58:36
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Grid view is fine.
00:58:38
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So I've used it a couple of times in grid view.
00:58:40
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It's fine, it's okay.
00:58:43
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But I can say that I've really tried the web version though.
00:58:47
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So I have no idea.
00:58:48
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- I mean, why would we?
00:58:49
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- Yeah. - Right?
00:58:50
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Like why would we?
00:58:52
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- It kind of feels like they caught up to Zoom
00:58:56
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at the end of the pandemic.
00:58:57
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And at that point, so many companies have signed up
00:59:01
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for business plans, like Zoom accounts.
00:59:03
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Like for example, Sylvia's Dance School,
00:59:05
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they have a Zoom account, like a business Zoom account
00:59:08
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because they do remote lessons when someone is sick.
00:59:11
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Right, makes sense.
00:59:12
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And now Apple comes in and say,
00:59:13
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"Well, you can just use it with FaceTime."
00:59:16
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And the company's like, "But why would I?
00:59:17
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"I'm paying for Zoom."
00:59:19
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I'm fully set up with Zoom.
00:59:20
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I'm not changing my system. - And Zoom just became
00:59:22
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like the word for video conferencing.
00:59:25
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So too slow.
00:59:27
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If all of this stuff would have existed before,
00:59:30
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like if you could join them on the web
00:59:31
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or join them via a link,
00:59:33
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FaceTime probably would have been way up there
00:59:36
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if not the dominant,
00:59:37
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but Zoom was able to swipe in, like swoop in
00:59:40
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because they were, you know, they were,
00:59:44
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- Swiping, I swipe him right,
00:59:45
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I don't know why that came,
00:59:47
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they zoomed in, is what I should have said.
00:59:49
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And they got shared with you,
00:59:53
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everyone's favorite feature, right?
00:59:55
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- Love shared with you?
00:59:57
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- I mostly just come across it as like a banner in Safari,
01:00:00
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like John Voorhees shared this link with you, like, okay.
01:00:02
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- Yeah, it's usually John, right?
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John is a sharer.
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- I will say mostly for me, it's Steven.
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I just had it earlier.
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It said Steven shared this with you.
01:00:13
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I get a lot of Steven shared this with you.
01:00:15
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But maybe what that means is just me and Steven
01:00:17
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go to the same things on the web a lot, you know?
01:00:20
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- Yeah. - A lot of Pokemon forums.
01:00:22
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- Yes, I know you do.
01:00:23
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You're always on Smogon and Reddit, VGC.
01:00:27
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I know you, Steven.
01:00:28
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I disable this everywhere, right?
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I just went into settings and I turned it off everywhere.
01:00:36
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And I don't know.
01:00:38
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I kind of feel like if someone sends me a link,
01:00:42
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you know, in iMessage,
01:00:44
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I'm checking out the iMessage conversation.
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I don't need to be reminded.
01:00:48
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It just kind of feels like clutter, you know, in music.
01:00:51
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Like, if John sends me a link,
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I'm going to save that link somewhere.
01:00:55
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I don't need the constant reminder that,
01:00:57
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"Oh, John shared this with you."
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So, yeah, I don't think we will see any more work
01:01:04
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on this feature this year in 16.
01:01:08
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I'm really not entirely sure why it exists.
01:01:13
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I'm not sure what problem it solves, honestly.
01:01:17
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And I know people could say it's a nice reminder, like you know, you go to Safari.
01:01:22
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But like, I think I said this at the time, I don't, like if somebody sends me something,
01:01:28
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I'm not like, oh, I really want to see that, but not now.
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Like to the point where I go to Safari later and I'm like, oh yeah, like this doesn't,
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You know what I mean?
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Like I, and again, I'm sure we have listeners
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where you are this way, but like,
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this is a very particular and strange use case in five apps.
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- It almost feels like a solution
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in search of a problem to solve.
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Meaning an engineer came up with an idea of like,
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hey, wouldn't it be neat if I figured out
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how to scan your IMS conversations
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for different type of deep links?
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And they were like, yeah, that's cool.
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How can we make it a feature?
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And usually that's not a really useful feature
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because if you don't start from the problem,
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you start from the solution,
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nobody's really gonna use that.
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And when we say nobody, obviously we don't mean nobody,
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but we gotta think at scale, right?
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- We're using the Royal nobody.
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like this is, you can start from the problem
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in this scenario,
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if you make it open to everyone to use.
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This is not helpful.
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This is like a problem with so many of Apple's services
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things, right? If you're only going to allow this in photos, music, Safari, like
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this isn't enough. People use more than just these five things. Like,
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if you send me a link to Apple music but I don't use Apple music, this is not
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helpful to me. Right. Well if only there was some other way to save URLs for your
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use later. Exactly. You know what's funny? That if you were looking for the problem,
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you wouldn't come up with this. You would actually care about reading lists and bookmarks in Safari.
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Because if you were starting from the problem, you would take a look at those two features
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that have existed forever in Safari, and then instead you did a big Safari redesign, which
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we're going to talk about in a minute, but those two features, you just took them from
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the previous Safari and you brought them into the new one and you just left them as they
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But instead for saving links, he didn't like,
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hey, maybe, you know, actually time to consider
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reading lists and bookmarks again.
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No, what if we came up with a way to scan
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your iMessage conversations?
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Like, come on, seriously, that's the best answer
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you have to saving links.
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- And try and access them all in one place, you know?
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Try and do that.
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No, it's not possible.
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- Maybe it's a branding problem.
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You know, maybe shared with you isn't the right name.
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What if they could name it something like "Someone pinged me with this"?
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Oh, here he goes.
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There's something there, I think.
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What was it called?
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The thing on Apple Music that was like this continued…
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Connect. Oh, my God.
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Connect. Yeah.
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Anyway, I'm sorry.
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Was it Apple Music Connect?
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It was Apple Music.
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iTunes Connect.
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No, iTunes Connect is the back end stuff.
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Nobody. It was called Connect.
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Apple music connectors were like, oh, hey, I'm your favorite band.
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And I'm like posting pictures on Apple music on my trips.
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Like, no, they're just going to use social media like a normal person.
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And I think it was just like YouTube and Trent Reznor for like months and
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Coldplay, not Trent Reznor. Yeah. Coldplay. Yeah. Oh, well.
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Safari. So got a big redesign on iPhone.
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The main thing being moving the address bar to the
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bottom and finally fixing the way that tabs look. We've got tab groups and extensions.
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I'm just gonna go ahead and say that I think the new Safari, especially on the iPhone,
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is the best work that Apple has put out in years.
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Because I feel like it's the result of a... it's a great combination of having a specific
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vision for something, but also getting a part of it wrong at the beginning and actually
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listening to users and iterating over it over the course of the summer. Like, so well done
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in terms of listening to the community and being very humble about it and be like, "Tell
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us what is wrong with this." Because we actually thought we had it, but it seems that we don't.
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So tell us what's wrong and let's see if we can figure it out. And I think the result
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is excellent. I've been using the new design since it was fixed in beta 5 or 6 or whatever.
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last summer, haven't looked back.
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Obviously on the iPad, I'm not using the new design,
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so maybe on the iPad side, things are a little more shaky,
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but on the iPhone, I think really well done.
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If anything, it's a shame that this design
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is exclusive to Safari.
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- Yes, yeah, more stuff should be bottom centric, right?
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Especially as these phones get bigger,
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why do I have to reach to the top
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in every other application for stuff?
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I'm sorry. I'm a child. I'm a child. Stop. Stop. Stop me.
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I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry. So why did you do that? I was trying to keep it together
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and you just had to... I'm so sorry, okay? I can't be blamed for this. I didn't say it.
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I almost said it. I almost said it and you just ruined it.
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I'm blushing too, this is a real experience over here.
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What do you mean you don't use the new Safari design on iPad?
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I don't use the unified tab bar.
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I have the traditional design.
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You know there's the compact tab bar mode on the iPad.
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Nobody uses it really.
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Oh okay, cool.
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But it's there.
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Because I don't remember this.
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It's also still there on the Mac.
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You can turn it on a Mac OS still.
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Don't do it.
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- Oh God, yes, that's when, yes, I remember now.
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When the URL bar was in each tab.
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- Yeah, super weird.
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- Yeah, that was bad, that was a bad idea.
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- Honestly, if it gets discontinued this year
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on iPadOS and Mac OS, I wouldn't be shocked.
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The use, I bet that the usage numbers for that UI mode
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are below 10% of the user base.
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Like I wouldn't be surprised at all.
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- Oh God, I just turned it on on my Mac, yeah, this is.
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And you can turn like the UI color tinting stuff back on too
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but they're separate check boxes and separate places.
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It's like they were punishing whoever's idea this was like,
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you can turn it back on
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but they're never gonna find the second option.
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How does it look on iPad though?
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No, it's bad.
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There's a section in my review with screenshots.
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I've only used it for those screenshots.
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Yeah, it's not good. Turn it off.
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Not good. Not good at all.
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I'm looking for that.
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Extensions is the great part, though.
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Yes, absolutely.
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Except for, like, if you get really into extensions, the UI to manage them is not great.
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I wish that it was a bit more like a macOS where your preferences window can open within Safari.
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Instead, like, it feels like there's too many taps involved, especially on the iPhone,
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where you get this huge list and the huge list gets cut off at some point,
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and so you gotta click the puzzle icon, manage extensions, and then you gotta go in there.
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And it feels like a little too cumbersome if you keep too many extensions installed,
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but otherwise, they're great, right?
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I think, obviously, on iPhone and iPad, they don't exactly have the same capabilities as extensions on the Mac.
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There's some things that are missing, I believe.
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I ran into this last week when I was testing the extension for Raindrop, the bookmarking
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service, and it behaves differently on the iPhone and iPad than it does on the Mac. And
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I bet it's because of some limitations that occur when you're trying to have an extension
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always running in the background in Safari. But otherwise, solid job.
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My only reservation, but I think I'm actually in the minority here, is tab groups. I don't
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personally use them but I know quite a few people who do. Including one of our very own here.
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Yeah I use them to my own detriment but I do use them.
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I like having things really neatly organized. Like I have a tab group for recording and like I have a
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tab group for like relay and so like they're set up just with the things that I'm gonna need for
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each mode that I've worked that I'm in at that moment. And then they sync from device to device
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like all of my devices. I really like it. I do really like it.
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Live text. Great feature.
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Great feature. Perfect execution, I would say. Integrated system-wide.
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It's in the camera. It's in photos. It's in Quick Look. It's now in shortcuts.
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Honestly, I don't have anything else to add here. Maybe down the road, obviously,
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it's happening, right? Especially if Apple gets into AR more and more.
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I think the camera, the actual real-time integrations will go deeper than what you can do right now.
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Obviously, Apple has to do it, if they're working on headsets and glasses, right? To
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be able to actually sort of overlay graphics on top of recognized text, but also objects,
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like street signs, for example, like directions and that sort of thing. But for now, for just
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extracting text, super well done.
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Yeah, for me, I don't use it often, but every time I do, I love it. Like, you know, it's
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like I have to get a phone number from something or an email address or something and it's
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on a piece of paper or like, or one for me is like somebody, like I want to, this is
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the worst, I can't believe this is how I have to do this. Like somebody sends you something
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in a message and you just want to copy a part of it. And so you take a screenshot of the
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iMessage, then you can use live text to select one part of the iMessage.
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That is genius. You know what I usually do when that happens? I copy the whole message
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and I paste it into the compose box and then I cut the part that is relevant to me. The
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problem is that occasionally with my stupid fingers I've done the wrong thing and I've
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sent the message that somebody sent me back to them.
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Yeah, why do you think I figured this thing out? Because I did that all the time. Yeah,
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just take a screenshot and use the live text and you can copy part of it out of there.
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It is silly that you have to do that.
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I kind of can't believe that we still don't have text selection inside of iMessage.
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Like, that's just wild to me.
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We're still in this world.
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But yeah, I don't use it often, but every time I do, I love it.
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Like, it's a great feature.
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Photo memories, they got changed.
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Everybody that listens to the show knows that the three of us hate that.
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They added a bunch of privacy features.
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There was the app privacy report, which I've never looked at.
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Nope, never have.
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Because I think this got added late too, right?
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like I don't think it was in shipping 15 15.2 or three I want to yeah so it's
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like I'm never gonna even think about it email tracking prevention who uses Apple
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Mail I do of course you do you use Chrome and Apple Mail what kind of like
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cursed mixture is that you are one I'd like a browser that works with web pages
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that I need to use and Apple Mail is all I need.
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- But yeah, I'm not using the privacy stuff.
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- I don't like the email tracking prevention thing myself.
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Like, look, I said this before,
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I'm not sure Apple needs to keep inserting itself
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into everything, like I'm making decisions for everyone
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on their behalf, like we need them to protect us.
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Like, if I care enough about this stuff,
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I can use email services to do this for me.
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I don't need Apple to do it for me.
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And then just inadvertently disrupt lots of people's businesses.
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Knowing that somebody opened your email is important.
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And from a privacy thing, it's not the worst thing.
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And I know that there's more than that.
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But the fact that it also cuts out people that are trying to build businesses
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that have email newsletters attached to them.
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It seems a bit heavy handed to me, but that's my own view on these things.
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And also they do, oh, I was going to iCloud Plus, where they do the private relay thing,
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which I've never used because I don't need that or want that, and hide my email, which
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also I don't want.
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And so this is a thing, hide my email, somewhat I feel similar to email tracking prevention,
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and it made Steven's life worse for a while.
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Yeah, it broke with the Kickstarter stuff last year.
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Oh, I remember that.
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Including somebody who worked on the feature at Apple,
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Yeah, I can't say that I've used any of these features.
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I remember trying private relay
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and it cut my internet speed in like, by like two thirds
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and everything was super slow.
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And I think it got better,
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but also I don't think I'm the type of person
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who would need all these extra layers of protection.
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I think there are legitimate use cases,
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especially in certain countries,
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for wanting your internet to be protected at all times
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and having the tracking prevention in mail
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and having the app privacy report.
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I think that needs to exist,
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especially in some places of the world.
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But personally here, I feel pretty lucky in Italy
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that I don't really need any of these things.
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And if I would, I would probably just use a VPN for those times
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when, oh, I want to watch a TV show from the United States,
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but it's preventing me to do so.
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I'm just going to use a VPN.
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I think Apple will continue to ship these kinds of features.
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But obviously, these are kind of the niche additions to iOS.
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People are not installing the next version of iOS
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because of the privacy improvements.
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I mean, those are welcome, but you're not
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rushing to update your phone because of app privacy report, right? You want the new widgets
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or the new emoji or stuff. Yeah.
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Question for you, I don't know the answer to this. Email tracking prevention, do you
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get asked if you want to enable that feature?
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There's a splash screen, yes.
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Okay, cool. That's fine then. Now I feel better about it. Let's just say someone can choose,
01:16:03
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right? Because I'm going to say like, if they don't ask for that, but they do ask for app
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tracking transparency. So if you ask, but the difference is though, okay so the
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difference is, I'm talking about this all through this now, with app tracking
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transparency I get to choose per app. With email tracking prevention it's all
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email right? Like if I say, like then no one will ever know I've opened their
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emails even if people like I trust. Like I don't, I mostly turn off, I ask not
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to track but not always. I leave that on sometimes because I do feel like in some
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places we're gonna see ads I would like those ads to be the most relevant that
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they can be. That's my own preference. I'm gonna see the ads. I at least want the
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ads to be me. Like on Instagram. Yes I'm talking specifically about Instagram.
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I didn't ask Instagram not to track. Like they're gonna track me
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anyway so I might as well get the benefit out of it. That's
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my own personal view on this stuff. At least you're gonna get the good track, you know?
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If you need to be... I get a good tracking. I'm gonna get track, I don't want bad track.
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I want good track. And like most of the time for me, like I say no when it's kind of like
01:17:18
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to an app, I was like, I don't even know why you're tracking me. So if you're asking me,
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I'm saying no. I don't like, you know, like there's an app that I use to check train times. And it was
01:17:29
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like, do you like, why are you tracking me? You know, I know. Thank you. I'm pretty sure
01:17:35
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I once seen, I once installed like a Plex, a third party client and asked to track me.
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I was like, wait, I just wanted to watch a recorded episode of the Gossip Girl reboot
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that John recorded for me on his Plex server. And you're tracking me. Why is it? John record
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shows for you? Oh man, all the time. Of course he does. Big Plex buddy. John has a Mac mini
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server set up in a closet, right, that is constantly sort of streaming American television
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to me. So like any event I can watch. And we actually do like watch parties occasionally
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for like the Oscars and like, you know, we didn't do the Met Gala, but you know, the
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Oscars, the Super Bowl for the halftime show, like I actually watch and invite
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friends over, it's fun and it's all thanks to Jon's Plex server. When
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you initially said we do watch parties I thought you meant you and Jon but no
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Jon's not invited. No, Jon doesn't care about any of this stuff. He doesn't care, he's just out there playing
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playing you know Nintendo Switch games and whatnot, yeah. Steven would you
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install the Mac Mini for me in a closet? I think Jon has it covered. That was kind of what I was
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expecting. I just opened Safari since we're talking about it, kind of check out the UI stuff, and I got
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a banner at the top. New Safari extensions available. Do you want to turn on quote
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parentheses null end quote and minus one other extension? Whatever, say yes! Just live dangerously
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man come on no - one - the - one is the best part like cuz no it's like that's
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stupid but happens right but how do you get to - one extension if I hit turn on
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extensions actually gonna turn one off yeah I think it means that if you turn
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no on you go negative extensions so that's why I was 15 I can't wait to see
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what you do with it if you want to find links to stuff we spoke about this week
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head on over to the website relay.fm/connected/396. While you're there you can get in touch with
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feedback or follow up. There's an email link there in the sidebar. You can also join and
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get connected pro which is a longer ad-free version of the show each and every week.
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If you want to find us online, you know, we're around. Federico is the editor-in-chief of
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maxstories.net. Do your own work. Yeah, you can find us. If you want to find us out, find us.
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You know what? Google me, you know, just Google me. You'll find me.
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You can find a Federico at max stories.net and uh, he, uh,
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doing Pokemon stuff, you know, on the internet. Yes. So max stories.net. Yes.
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Yes. Max stories.net/Pokemon I think is the page you can find.
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Myke, he's around too. He's on relays and a bunch of other relay shows.
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You probably find him on our website. Uh,
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you can find my t-shirt link in the show notes. Okay.
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It's a good t-shirt. I bought it. I encourage you to buy it.
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You know, it's a good t-shirt.
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I also bought one.
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You can walk around and you can pretend that you worked on the Lisa.
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I mean, who wouldn't want that? You know what I'm saying?
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Yep. It was out before all of us were born, but that's fine.
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Uh, what else do you do at the end of the show? Oh, you think our sponsors,
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I'd like to thank our sponsors, Fitbod, Electric and TexExpander.
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Until next week, guys say goodbye.
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Arrivederci.