396: The Royal Nobody
  
   
 
 
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     [SPEAKING ITALIAN] 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     Text expander. That was so funny, man. I love that you did the accent for text expander. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     That was so good. Oh my God. Oh my God. Federico. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I speak two languages, you know? 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     Sometimes I do that. Hi, Steven. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Hey buddy. How are you? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Hi. I'm good. I'm good. How are you? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I'm good. And I have the pleasure to be joined by Myke Hurley. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     "Hello mate!" 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It's my other language, innit? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     You can't really do that anymore, you know? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     You really lost that accent, man. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     You can't tell me, listen to you. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I mean... fair. Fair. Fair. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Don't your Italian friends laugh at you? Surely they do, right? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Oh yeah, no, it's really become a problem now, where I am actually losing the ability to come up with certain words in Italian. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And really, it's come up a lot lately when I'm sending messages, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     because I'm realizing, thanks to Silvia, who actually notices these things, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     that the way I structure sentences in Italian is wrong, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     because I'm structuring them in English. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Yep, so I sound like an idiot now in Italian. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Oh, that's pretty bad. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     That's my problem now. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
 
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     You're really stuck now in the middle. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - So we have some follow-up, yes. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - Our buddy Quinn Nelson has a video up 
     
     
  
 
 
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     about the Apple Self-Service Repair Program, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     where he went through the process of what you can order, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     how you order it. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     He talked about the website being weird. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Something that I didn't know 
     
     
  
 
 
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     'cause I actually didn't complete parts order, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     but to do that, you have to find a code 
     
     
  
 
 
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     that's like typed into the repair manual 
     
     
  
 
 
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     to prove that you read the manual, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     or at least know how search works, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     before you order the parts you need. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - That's intriguing. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - It's like a escape room for parts ordering or something. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     - I guess they want you to know what you're getting into 
     
     
  
 
 
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     before you order all this stuff, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and then you feel like you can't do it, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     but what a weird way to do it. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - I guess my expectation for that is, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     legally, they have to 
     
     
  
 
 
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     get like a consent from you that you've read it, right? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Like before you blow your house up or something 
     
     
  
 
 
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     from a thermal event. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Somebody, by the way, I don't wanna out this personally 
     
     
  
 
 
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     'cause I didn't ask. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I had somebody message me who worked at an Apple store 
     
     
  
 
 
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     who put together a playlist of songs all about fire 
     
     
  
 
 
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     that they could play during the 30 minute breaks 
     
     
  
 
 
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     from all of the thermal events 
     
     
  
 
 
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     that would get caused at the Genius Bar. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     So it's just, it was like 40 songs, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     always some kind of fire element to them. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And they, they stared it with me in the, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     the icon, like the image of the playlist 
     
     
  
 
 
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     was an Apple store with smoke coming out of it, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     like an actual one. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I don't know what that was from. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     But yeah, they would just play this in the back 
     
     
  
 
 
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     while they were waiting the 30 minutes 
     
     
  
 
 
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     for the sand to do its job. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So anyway, my expectation is that like, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     from a legal perspective, they need to get it to a point 
     
     
  
 
 
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     where in court, there's nothing you can do. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Like if you went and found the code, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     like you've done all the work, right, like as the person, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     that like Apple has no, like you have no legal recourse 
     
     
  
 
 
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     against them at that point, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     moving my expectation, right? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Like they're just trying to cover their butts. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Quinn did also post a tweet that he completed a repair 
     
     
  
 
 
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     on a device and he's making a video about that, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     which I'm really excited to see. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - It's in good hands with him. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     He really knows what he's doing. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I'd mentioned, I think last time, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     that I was like, "I think he did a repair thing." 
     
     
  
 
 
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     He talked about that in the video as well, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     that he was a big iPhone repair boy for a while there. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     - I want to talk about these wild USB-C cables. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Federico is our resident USB-C expert. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     What is going on with these? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - So we heard about these new cables last year, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and I guess they are official now because this new, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     this company is the first one to actually put out, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     you know, actual specs for the first 240 watt USB-C cables. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So this will start appearing in the near future, I guess. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     This is the first company that I put out some details. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     They're called, what are they called? 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     Yeah, this, it's a Dutch manufacturer of USB-C cables. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So the idea is you're going to get these cables soon enough, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     in the near future, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     that are going to charge your devices super fast at 240 watts. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Now, none of this matters right now 
     
     
  
 
 
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     because there are no devices on the market 
     
     
  
 
 
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     that support 240 watt charging via USB-C. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     But the idea is that in the future, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     this may be suitable for gaming laptops. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     You know, gaming laptops, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     they usually come with these giant charging bricks 
     
     
  
 
 
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     because those gaming laptops, you know, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     You get the laptop version of, I don't know, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     you get an Asus or a Dell or, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     what's it called the other one, the Alienware one. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Anyway, you get one of those laptops 
     
     
  
 
 
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     that have a 38 inside, for example, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and they run super hot, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and they also require a ton of power. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So the idea is, with these cables, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     you may not need to have the giant separate charging bricks 
     
     
  
 
 
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     for those laptops. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     You can get just this kind of cable 
     
     
  
 
 
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     that charges your laptop super fast. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Now, no existing devices can use these cables yet. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     No smartphone, no laptop, no computer, nothing. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     But the theoretical potential is there. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Now, this company specifically is going to put out-- 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and this is where the complications arise, of course. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     USB being USB, it's going to get complicated. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Because this company alone, so this first company, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     has already announced three versions of this cable. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     My understanding is that all of them, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     they charge at up to 240 watts. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     However, only one, the shortest cable, the one meter cable, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     can do 8K, 60 frames per second video, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     40 gigabit per second data transfer, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and 240 watt charging. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     But there's also a two meter version, so a longer version, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     that however cuts off at half the data rate. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So it cuts off a 20 gigabit per second transfer rate, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     but still 240 watt. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And then there's the weird one. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Another two meter cable with USB two speeds. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So like 480 megabit per second or something. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I don't know. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - That one's just a prank. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     This one is just, it's just a prank. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     This one I feel like. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - Or I mean, I guess if the other ones are expensive, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     this will be like the, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I'm putting giant air quotes around it, cheap one. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Like if you just want a power cable and you don't. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - If you just, I think that's the idea, right? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     If you just want a power cable, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     you don't need to put the actual stuff in it. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So you make the cable cheaper, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     but still support the super fast charging. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - Okay, so it does 4K 60. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So I guess you could also, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     no, the one with the 20 gigabits per second does 4K 60. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     Yeah, so I guess it's that one is just for, I don't know, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     power or small simple monitors or whatever, right? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Because I would say the 8K is maybe a bit much, you know? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - The thing is the USB implementers forum, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     the USB consortium is going to of course allow manufacturers 
     
     
  
 
 
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     to mix and match specs for the upcoming USB. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I think this is called- 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - What is wrong with these people? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     This is the USB 4 standard, I think, and they're going to allow manufacturers to mix and match 
     
     
  
 
 
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     different specs, like Club 3D have done. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     But potentially good news, this time they have official labels and stickers that they 
     
     
  
 
 
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     will put out on logos, that they will put on cables. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So there's like an official graphic for 240W cable, 240W charging brick, 40Gbps data. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     They have like these little cute stickers now, and maybe that's gonna fix everything, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     maybe not, because I am sure, like I would wager lots of money right now, that they will 
     
     
  
 
 
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     change the standard at least twice over the next two years, as it happened before with 
     
     
  
 
 
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     USB 3, then USB 3.1, then USB 3.2. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So it's gonna happen again, but long story short, this super-fast charging is coming, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     maybe in a couple of years you can buy a gaming laptop that doesn't require a separate giant 
     
     
  
 
 
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     brick anymore. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And you can use it and charge it at the same time maybe, you know? 
     
     
  
 
 
 
 
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     You can play the Addon Ring and you can play GTA 6 and charge and play at the same time. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Steven's favorite. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Steven's favorite. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I know, I was waiting for that one. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I've got a t-shirt on sale. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Congratulations. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I would like people to go check it out. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So can you explain it to me? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Oh, it's about the Lisa, local integrated software architecture. Oh, I just got it. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     I didn't know this until I saw the t-shirt. I didn't get it. I didn't know this was a 
     
     
  
 
 
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     thing like the blah blah blah blah blah blah blah whatever you'd call it. Local integrated 
     
     
  
 
 
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     software architecture. That's a backronym, right? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Oh, for sure because, you know, it was really named after his daughter, but it took him 
     
     
  
 
 
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     years to apparently admit that, which is terrible. But yeah, so this is, it's 
     
     
  
 
 
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     honoring the Lisa. It's got some line art of Lisa. It's on like, the shirt 
     
     
  
 
 
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     does not have a pocket, but it's printed like on like where like the chest pocket 
     
     
  
 
 
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     would be. Comes in a couple different colors. I'm a big fan of the black forest 
     
     
  
 
 
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     tri-blend, like the black and green. I think it looks really nice. I kind of 
     
     
  
 
 
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     wanted like early 80s vibe a little bit, so I did that without being sort of 
     
     
  
 
 
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     obnoxious with the colors and I'm really pleased with how it's come out. What I 
     
     
  
 
 
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     like about this t-shirt because Steven was sending this to me, I heavily 
     
     
  
 
 
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     encouraged him to do this so please buy it because otherwise this is partly my 
     
     
  
 
 
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     fault. What I like about this t-shirt is it looks like the shirt you would have 
     
     
  
 
 
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     been given if you worked on the project right like if you made the Lisa they 
     
     
  
 
 
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     would have given you one of these so pretend like you made the Lisa and buy 
     
     
  
 
 
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     this t-shirt. There you go yeah yeah the building I link in the show notes and in 
     
     
  
 
 
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     In my post on 512 about it, I talked a little bit more about the name and how it basically 
     
     
  
 
 
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     came out like years later, like I think in Lisa's book, like a story about being with 
     
     
  
 
 
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     her dad, and I want to say it was Bono, some musician. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And he was like, so the computer was named after her, right? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And he he admitted it. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     But yeah, they sort of had a backwards engineer, local integrated software architecture. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Another example from the time period was, "Let's invent some acronym, LISA," which is 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     Oh wow, that's a bad burn, right? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Like that's rough. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It's pretty awesome. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     That's rough. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Also, local integrated software architecture, sounds like it could be a connected title. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     A little bit. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     We have that history, right? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Of the four word titles. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Yeah, so yeah, they're for sale through May 12th, so I'd love if you'd go check it out. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I'm really proud of it. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Did you both buy a shirt? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Yeah, I bought the green one. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I'm buying it right now. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     I bought the green one, so. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Get off our case, geez. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I'm not sure about the color myself, actually. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I don't think green is a good color on me. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I think you'd look good in the red. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I think so, too. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Can you imagine if he's like, "I hate red"? 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     Or orange. I think orange is also a good color. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I wanted the orange too, but I ended up going with green. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Although the red one speaks to me. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Yeah, I'm going with the red one. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Awesome. Thank you. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     Do you go tri-blend or conten, Federico? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Tri-blend, always. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
 
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     I'm wearing a tri-blend cortex shirt right now. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I'm wearing the tiny heads tee. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
 
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     Seriously, I am man. I wear it a lot when we record the show. Do you? Yeah, just as 
     
     
  
 
 
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     like a haha to all the listeners who tell me they want one but didn't buy one in the 
     
     
  
 
 
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     of the show and relay FM. Apple has released more details about their 
     
     
  
 
 
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     ► 
     in-person portion of WWDC this year. So this is coming from Apple's website. I'm 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:16:21
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     ► 
     struggling right now because Safari is crashing on me. Can I just take a quick 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:16:24
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     ► 
     aside and just talk about like Safari on the Mac is driving me mad again. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:16:28
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     ► 
     Please. Yes. It just every day like I have this but like all of a sudden Safari 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:16:33
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     ► 
     it's just beach balling on me right now. All I did was open a tab like I don't 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:16:37
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     ► 
     I don't know what do you want from me, you know? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:16:39
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     ► 
     Or like I have this thing where, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:16:41
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     ► 
     I don't know if anybody else has this. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:16:43
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     ► 
     I open a tab and I type something in, right? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:16:45
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     ► 
     Like, you know, you use like the search, I press enter. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:16:48
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     It loads the, it loads the content, closes the tab. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:16:51
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     ► 
     It does this to me multiple times a day. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:16:53
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     ► 
     I don't know why. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:16:54
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     So like I say, like, I want to search 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:16:56
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     for like Federico Vittucci and I press enter 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:16:59
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     and it opens the Google search 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:17:00
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     ► 
     and then immediately closes the tab. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:17:02
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     ► 
     I, this happens to me all the time. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:17:03
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     ► 
     Does this happen to you too? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:17:04
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     ► 
     This is only on the Mac, this happens to me. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:17:06
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     ► 
     - No, I've never seen that. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:17:08
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     ► 
     - So do you two use tab groups? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:17:10
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     - No. - No, never. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:17:11
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     ► 
     - Okay, I use tab groups 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:17:12
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     ► 
     and I reckon this is part of the problem. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:17:14
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     ► 
     I use tab groups a lot 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:17:15
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     ► 
     and I think something's freaking out in there 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:17:17
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     ► 
     because of that. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:17:18
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     ► 
     It's very frustrating to me. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:17:20
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     ► 
     I have to force quit Safari now. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:17:22
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     ► 
     So, just give me one second, all right? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:17:25
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     I'm getting there. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:17:26
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     I'm trying my best, you know, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:17:28
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     ► 
     but this has nothing to do with me. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:17:28
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     - This is great content, I love it. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:17:31
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     ► 
     - I'm vamping. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:17:32
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     ► 
     All right, so now I'm gonna open the link again. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:17:34
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     ► 
     Okay, we're hosting a special, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:17:36
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     ► 
     Nope, we've already got that part. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:17:38
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     ► 
     This is the eligibility, right? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:17:39
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     ► 
     So attending this event is free and open to members 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:17:42
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     of the Apple Developer Program 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:17:44
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     and Apple Developer Enterprise Program. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:17:46
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     ► 
     Invitations will be allocated 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:17:48
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     ► 
     through a random selection process and a non-transferable. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:17:51
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     ► 
     Submit your request on May 9th to May 11th, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:17:54
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     ► 
     and you'll be notified of your status on May 12th. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:17:57
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     ► 
     That's what they're going for. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:18:00
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     - This celebration marks the start 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:18:01
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     ► 
     of an inspiring week of sessions, labs, and lounges, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:18:04
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     ► 
     all online and with more activities than ever. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:18:06
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     ► 
     - I mean, I think this is basically what we expected. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:18:10
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     Random selection process, I would put random 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:18:13
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     ► 
     and again, air quotes, I'm sure they are. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:18:15
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     ► 
     - There will be an element of it, I'm sure. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:18:17
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     ► 
     - There'll be an element of randomness for some seats. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:18:20
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     Some seats I'm sure will be selected. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:18:22
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     ► 
     You know, it closes the same day, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:18:23
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     or you'd be notified the same day 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:18:25
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     ► 
     as the final day of ordering a 512 t-shirt. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:18:27
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     So Apple and I coordinated on this, clearly. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:18:31
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     - Oh really? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:18:31
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     - They're doing it in honor of 512 day. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:18:33
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     - Oh, that's amazing. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:18:34
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     ► 
     - Yeah, I thought it was pretty cool of them. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:18:37
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     ► 
     - Gather with others in the developer community 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:18:39
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     ► 
     to watch the keynote and the State of the Union videos 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:18:41
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     alongside Apple engineers and experts. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:18:42
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     ► 
     Explore the all new developer center and so much more. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:18:45
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     ► 
     What's the developer center? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:18:47
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     ► 
     I said this and Stephen said, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:18:48
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     "Hey, that's the website." 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:18:49
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     And I was like, "Oh, okay." 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:18:50
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     - Sit down and explore a website. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:18:52
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     ► 
     - But I felt like, oh, okay, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:18:53
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     maybe they have a new update for the developer center. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:18:56
     ◼
      
     ► 
     - Now it turns out it's also a building. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:18:58
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     ► 
     So this first came up of all places 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:19:00
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     ► 
     in the Apple EPIC lawsuit. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:19:04
     ◼
      
     ► 
     I guess Phil Schiller was talking about 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:19:07
     ◼
      
     ► 
     what they do for developers, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:19:09
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     ► 
     and he mentioned that there was going to be 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:19:11
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     ► 
     a dedicated developer center somewhere at Apple Park. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:19:16
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     ► 
     And that's basically all we know, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:19:20
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     ► 
     is that there's going to be a place where, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:19:23
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     ► 
     I guess developers in Apple can interface somehow, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:19:26
     ◼
      
     ► 
     and apparently it's ready, or will be ready. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:19:29
     ◼
      
     ► 
     People will be able to see it, probably tour it 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:19:31
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     ► 
     while out there if you're selected in this drawing 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:19:35
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     ► 
     to go to the event. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:19:37
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     ► 
     I don't know what this building means moving forward. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:19:39
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     ► 
     Like, is it gonna be a thing where you can 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:19:43
     ◼
      
     ► 
     like make an appointment and maybe Apple lets you come out 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:19:46
     ◼
      
     ► 
     and work on something with them? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:19:47
     ◼
      
     ► 
     Like who knows? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:19:48
     ◼
      
     ► 
     I'm very curious what it entails. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:19:51
     ◼
      
     ► 
     - Yeah, it's weird, right? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:19:52
     ◼
      
     ► 
     Like, what do you put, like, is it like the visitor center, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:19:55
     ◼
      
     ► 
     but just a developer version? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:19:59
     ◼
      
     ► 
     You know, like it's very strange. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:20:01
     ◼
      
     ► 
     Is it gonna be like one of those schools that they have? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:20:06
     ◼
      
     ► 
     Like there's one in Italy. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:20:08
     ◼
      
     ► 
     You know what I'm talking about, like the developer academies, what are they called? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:20:11
     ◼
      
     ► 
     Yeah, I know what you're talking about. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:20:14
     ◼
      
     ► 
     I think they have one in India too. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:20:17
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     ► 
     It's one in Naples for sure. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:20:20
     ◼
      
     ► 
     Yeah, and James points out it'd probably be in a nice isolated place 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:20:24
     ◼
      
     ► 
     so you can bring developers in without having any security issues. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:20:29
     ◼
      
     ► 
     you know, maybe this is something where if there's like 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:20:32
     ◼
      
     ► 
     minor announcements throughout the year, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:20:35
     ◼
      
     ► 
     maybe Apple even does them from here, you know, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:20:37
     ◼
      
     ► 
     for select developer partners, or if they're, you know, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:20:39
     ◼
      
     ► 
     bringing somebody in, like Apple loves to do this, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:20:42
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     ► 
     especially if there's like a big, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:20:45
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     like technology shift in software, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     or sometimes they do it with hardware too, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     of like, oh, we invited EA in and they got their game 
     
     
  
 
 
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     up and running on this in just six days. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And you know, maybe that sort of thing will happen here too, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     because it's sort of isolated and controlled like James said it's not just 
     
     
  
 
 
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     wandering around the ring. Sounds like a great thing to have if you're gonna be 
     
     
  
 
 
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     having like a mixed reality headset you know. I want people to come and try out their 
     
     
  
 
 
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     apps on a mixed reality headset like I always think back to with this kind of 
     
     
  
 
 
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     the Apple watch remember when they had developers go to infinite loop and like 
     
     
  
 
 
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     try the apps on the Apple watch remember that? Oh yeah kind of. Yeah so like they 
     
     
  
 
 
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     had like a time period from when it was announced before it came out where select developers 
     
     
  
 
 
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     could apply and go to Apple's, I think it was infinite loop then, and you would get 
     
     
  
 
 
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     time with Apple over a few day period and you could run your apps on their test hardware 
     
     
  
 
 
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     for the watch. So this is the kind of thing I expect that they'll do. Going back to the 
     
     
  
 
 
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     developer focused event, they have like a health and safety section. They want proof 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:21:55
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     of negative COVID test within three days, masks are encouraged and they have nothing 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:22:00
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     on vaccination proof required for the event and are saying they will provide details on 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:22:05
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     the latest requirements to attendees prior to the event. I'm assuming if things change. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:22:09
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     That's less stringent than I thought it would be. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:22:12
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     Well, I actually think this matches what they're asking from their employees because Apple 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:22:16
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     does not have a vaccine mandate and they never have. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:22:19
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     Yeah, and they say that they'll provide more details. So I would imagine if the situation 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:22:24
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     with COVID changes drastically in California, you know, they are holding back a little bit 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:22:31
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     saying, "Hey, we can change these rules if we feel like they need to or if they're mandated 
     
     
  
 
 
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     to somehow." 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     And we don't know if it's inside or outside. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:22:39
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     They haven't said anything about that kind of stuff yet. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:22:43
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     I just always naturally assumed that they would be performing like lateral flow tests, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:22:47
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     like the antigen tests on anybody going in, but maybe they will, maybe they won't. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:22:52
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     It's their choice, right? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:22:55
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     People know, right? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:22:56
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     Like if you are uncomfortable with that, don't apply. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:22:59
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     - I mean, it says you have to provide proof 
     
     
  
 
 
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     no more than three days before. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:23:02
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     ► 
     I don't think they're gonna be doing tests there. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:23:05
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     I think you've got to show up with that in your hand or-- 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:23:07
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     - Well, yeah, but you could do both, right? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:23:10
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     - Maybe. - You could still do both. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:23:12
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     - So yeah, I mean, my biggest takeaway of this, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:23:14
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     like, yeah, it's about what we expected. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:23:15
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     May 12th is like three weeks or something, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:23:19
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     three and a half weeks before the event. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:23:21
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     So if you're going, it's a pretty short time to plan something, but I guess. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:23:26
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     ► 
     Yeah. It doesn't seem like that they, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:23:28
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     well at least they haven't said that they're restricting it. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:23:30
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     ► 
     Like they're not saying it's US only or whatever. Right. So, but yeah, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:23:34
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     like if you, at least, at least they are saying like, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:23:38
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     this is the date you will be told. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:23:40
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     Like I like that. I think that's a really good system to be like, if you know, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:23:45
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     ► 
     you will be told by this time, like May 12th, 6 PM Pacific, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:23:50
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     ► 
     like that's it you know I guess one way or another right you got to throw your 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:23:54
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     ► 
     name in the ring for this no no I'm not gonna do that I did say I would apply 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:24:00
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     ► 
     for a WWE C pass this ain't it right this is not a WWE C pass I'm not I'm not 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:24:07
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     ► 
     gonna put my name in for this no sure you don't want to see the developer 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:24:10
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     ► 
     center be taken there never to be seen again I want to see it I would like to 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:24:15
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     ► 
     go and see it all but I'm not gonna I'm not gonna put my name in for this like I 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:24:19
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     ► 
     I mean, it's gonna look like just everything else 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:24:22
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     ► 
     their architecture looks like now, right? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:24:25
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     - I like it. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:24:26
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     You love to see it. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:24:28
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     ► 
     - Listener Caleb is unhappy with my Flexi title. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:24:32
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     - Who chose it? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:24:33
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     - I thought the Discord did and I just adopted it. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:24:36
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     ► 
     So Caleb wrote in, "Each time you read the bill of keys, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:24:38
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     ► 
     there seems to be a noticeable disdain in your voice 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:24:41
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     ► 
     for the title Attorney General Flexi. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:24:44
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     ► 
     As a former US history teacher," Caleb writes, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:24:47
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     "I thought I would dig in a bit to our government 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:24:49
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     ► 
     via Wikipedia and see if there are any better possible titles I could suggest. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:24:53
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     ► 
     So there's about a dozen in here. Chief Flexi of the United States, Ambassador 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:25:00
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     ► 
     Flexordinary. What is that? Ambassador Extraordinary I think is a term 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:25:08
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     ► 
     and he's made it. Flex. If you were gonna do that I would prefer Ambassador 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:25:12
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     ► 
     Flex-ordinaire. Yeah me too. But you know. Speaker of the Flexis, Secretary of 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:25:18
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     ► 
     flexies, a flex majority leader, flex majority whip. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:25:25
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     ► 
     Isn't as dirty as it sounds. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:25:26
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     ► 
     No, I prefer flex majority leader. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:25:30
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     ► 
     Like that's just very good. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:25:32
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     Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Flexis. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:25:35
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     Undersecretary of Flexis. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:25:38
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     ► 
     He wrote commandant, maybe commander of the Flexis. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:25:41
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     ► 
     That's commandant, right? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:25:42
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     Isn't that commandant? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:25:43
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     Oh, that's what it is. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:25:43
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     Commandant, okay. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:25:44
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     Fancy enough. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:25:45
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     ► 
     Commandant, okay. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:25:46
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     ► 
     and then flex master general ag flexi is the best just yes, in my opinion, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:25:52
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     ► 
     attorney general flexi is still the best one. However, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:25:55
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     ► 
     speaker of the flexi is also true for you. Yeah, you are the speaker of the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:26:03
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     ► 
     flexi, but the problem is you are the speaker of the rickies always like 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:26:08
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     ► 
     always as the rule leader. So I feel like that is just an honorary title bestowed 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:26:14
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     ► 
     you irrespective of any win or loss. Yeah I feel like that one doesn't work 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:26:18
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     ► 
     for that reason that's like a you know a state of being really. Yeah which is you 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:26:23
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     ► 
     you are that being. Yes yes. These are really good. They are good. But I would 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:26:28
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     ► 
     miss AG Flexi too much. I think I would too. I really do like Chairman of the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:26:35
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     ► 
     Joint Chiefs of Flexis. Right but that makes it feel like... Oh it's got Chairman 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:26:42
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     ► 
     than a two. Oh, well then you can't do it. Yeah. Well that also makes it sound like 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:26:47
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     ► 
     you're our bosses or something like which I don't like. Kate says that I've 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:26:51
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     ► 
     slandered the discord they did not come up with Attorney General Flexy. Okay was 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:26:55
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     ► 
     it you then? I guess maybe so. Right if it was you then you can't change this. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:26:59
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     ► 
     Yeah. You chose it you know. Well it's known to be a flip-flop-er though. Yes 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:27:04
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     ► 
     Uh-huh. Flexi Flip-Flop. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:27:11
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     ► 
     Flexi Flip-Flop. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:27:13
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     ► 
     You can change to that if you like. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:27:15
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     ► 
     FFF. Flexi Flip-Flop. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:27:21
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     ► 
     These are all good, but I think I'm gonna stay put. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:27:24
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     ► 
     I feel like a touring general Flexi, you know, has the momentum behind it. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:27:27
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     ► 
     It also, I don't know, because I like a good 80s vibe, like AC Slater. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:27:30
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     ► 
     You know, like AG Flexi, you know, I like that too. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:27:33
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     ► 
     I don't know, it also reminds me of those TV shows like NCIS or, you know, what's the other one? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:27:40
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     ► 
     Like CSI, you know, let's talk to the attorney general. I don't know, it just feels very, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:27:46
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     ► 
     very American, you know? Get the attorney general on the phone. Crimes! Crimes have happened! 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:27:51
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     ► 
     Yeah, so thank you, Caleb. I appreciate you looking out for me and for our government, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:28:01
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     ► 
     but I think I have to pass on the suggestions. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:28:05
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     ► 
     - Our government, the three of us? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:28:07
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     ► 
     - I mean, Caleb and I shared government. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:28:10
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     ► 
     - I'm assuming he's American as he taught US history. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:28:13
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     ► 
     I mean, I don't think US history 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:28:15
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     ► 
     is being taught in other countries. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:28:17
     ◼
      
     ► 
     - Can I be a Frenchman teaching US history? 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:28:22
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     ► 
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	 00:29:55
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     ► 
     He's got a t-shirt for sale. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:29:57
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     ► 
     sorry, and I found out that 1Password 8 for Mac had been released to the public. I feel 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:30:05
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     ► 
     like I'd forgotten about this for a long time because I wasn't using the beta because I 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:30:10
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     ► 
     don't know why, I don't know what you two both were, I would not use a beta of my password 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:30:15
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     ► 
     manager. That freaks me out a little bit as a thought. I don't want things like that going 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:30:21
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     ► 
     wrong and I just wanted to ask the two of you a little bit like what your experiences 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:30:27
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     ► 
     of 1+8 have been so far? Pretty just fine I actually really like it. Okay. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:30:34
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     ► 
     I love the new system-wide thing with the audio fill with the command 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:30:40
     ◼
      
     ► 
     shift what's it space like that floating like universal search thing that I 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:30:48
     ◼
      
     ► 
     actually really like I love the design it really works for me yeah. Stephen what 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:30:53
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     ► 
     you like? Yeah, the design is nice. I think the universal 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:30:58
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     ► 
     autofill like is one of the best features and one password. So to 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:31:02
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     ► 
     fill the flesh that a little bit. Basically, it puts one 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:31:06
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     ► 
     password at the OS level. So say you're trying to sign into zoom, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:31:10
     ◼
      
     ► 
     you can invoke one password. And they're doing a bunch of stuff 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:31:15
     ◼
      
     ► 
     in the background to like know what applications in the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:31:17
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     ► 
     foreground and it can bring up Oh, these are your resume 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:31:19
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     ► 
     logins and you can autofill it from anywhere. It used to be that was just 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:31:24
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     ► 
     like trapped in your browser now it's across a bunch of different apps on the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:31:27
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     ► 
     Mac and that's that's pretty awesome. So this isn't like officially supported 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:31:33
     ◼
      
     ► 
     like it is on iOS? Right, Mac OS doesn't have a mechanism as long as far as I'm 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:31:40
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     ► 
     aware for third parties to do this on the Mac and so they've kind of worked 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:31:46
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     ► 
     through like the accessibility angle to understand what's on the screen, figure out where the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:31:51
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     ► 
     fields are and to fill it. It's clever. I wish Apple had a more like sustainable way 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:31:57
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     ► 
     for that to happen and maybe they will. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:32:02
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     ► 
     This is what makes me love like this sort of like they put all this work in and then 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:32:05
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     ► 
     in like six weeks time Apple's like hey we've brought this feature to the Mac. But maybe 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:32:09
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     ► 
     not though I don't know. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:32:11
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     ► 
     possible you know but they've they're gonna have users I guess on Monterey for 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:32:16
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     ► 
     a while so even if Apple offered it that I'm sure they wouldn't mind having it 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:32:22
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     ► 
     there for older older OS's. And this also might exist I don't know but maybe this 
     
     
  
 
 
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     will exist on Windows too right for for 1Password. Yeah I was a little bit 
     
     
  
 
 
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     confused by this universal autofill thing at first because I thought that 
     
     
  
 
 
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     that they sacrificed the menu bar app, like 1Password Mini for it, because now by default 
     
     
  
 
 
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     when you click the menu bar thing you just get two options. One is to open 1Password and 
     
     
  
 
 
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     one is to open the universal search thing, which I thought was a not great move. That 
     
     
  
 
 
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     was just like breaking how I use it. But you can change in settings to like when you click 
     
     
  
 
 
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     that it opens the universal search thing which I only do this just so like I can get used 
     
     
  
 
 
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     to the new behavior of a keyboard shortcut but I was very used to like just going up 
     
     
  
 
 
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     there and clicking the menu bar too so I'm happy that it has that it's just like it's 
     
     
  
 
 
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     just how I've used it for years right like I've just gone up there and clicked. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Interesting. Why is this happening to me right now? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     But yeah so never mind. This Fiery extension doesn't follow the theme color of Mac OS this 
     
     
  
 
 
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     This is very upsetting to me. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I'm sure it's a bug. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     They'll work out. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:33:33
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     Well, I mean, now it's their colors, so I don't think it's a bug. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Oh, that's no good. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:33:39
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     They've branded it. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It's now a little one password icon with the silver and the blue. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:33:44
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     Do you not use the extension? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:33:45
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     I use Chrome. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:33:47
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     Of course you do. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And I never use dark mode on my Mac, so that's why I didn't notice. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:33:54
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     Yeah, there's that too. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:33:56
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     Wait, what's dark mode got to do with it though? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:33:58
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     It's dark mode, gotta do it, gotta do it. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Oh, you didn't mean, you meant the appearance color, not the light or dark mode. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Yeah, like, I have the little, like mine are yellow, right? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:34:09
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     Because it matches my Mac. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:34:10
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     Oh, yeah, I actually set mine to purple too. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And yeah, I didn't notice that. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:34:15
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     So now I've got the little, like everything else is yellow up there except one password. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:34:19
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     And I'm like, come on, one password. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:34:20
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     Right, right. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:34:22
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     Well, it's the one password blue though, like it's the branding, no? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:34:26
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     But I don't, I mean, yeah. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:34:28
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     hmm yes but everything else that I have follows the theme color as system you 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:34:36
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     know so I just I would just prefer if they did it that way but they haven't so 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:34:40
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     whatever okay I mean obviously there was so much hullabaloo right about the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:34:46
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     electron stuff is that a thing like what is the hullabaloo was the hullabaloo 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:34:53
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     worth it is my question let me I should disclose they are a ongoing sponsor at 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:34:58
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     Mac power users. So there's that. I think we've talked about this on the show. I think 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:35:03
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     that the argument about electron on the Mac is kind of kind of dumb. I think it's really 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:35:09
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     an argument about how those apps are implemented. Yes. One password. Yeah, like you mean a discerning 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:35:16
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     Mac user is going to know there's something different about it. But it mostly looks and 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:35:22
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     works the way that you would expect. And that wasn't true in the early betas. This we just 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:35:27
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     one password on the Mac has been in beta since the fall. I think it's been a long time a long time 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:35:32
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     and they spent a lot of that time rightfully so fixing a bunch of those weird UI things. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:35:39
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     You can tell but I don't think it's a big deal because it continues to work the way that it did. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:35:44
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     You know you can like you said you can even revert the menu bar item back to the old the old method 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:35:52
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     that's what you want. You can still use it in your browsers. I mean, and talking with 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:35:59
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     them and reading through their stuff, like, if all you do is basically just use it to 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:36:04
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     create passwords and save passwords in your browser, you probably don't even see the app 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:36:07
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     all that often. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:36:08
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     I mean, the app looks better. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:36:10
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     It does look better. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:36:12
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     You know, so, like, I know that it fundamentally bothers people, but it looks nicer than it 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:36:19
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     did before so I you know I don't really know what to say. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:36:22
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     It says who cares like this thing about like oh it's election who cares like the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:36:27
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     only people who care about this stuff. Well people care. No but why like does it do 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:36:32
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     what you want it to do? Great. Does it not? Don't use it. There's no need to start a 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:36:37
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     war about all these things like who cares like move on and try something 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:36:41
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     else like not everything needs to be like this crusade against products like 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:36:48
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     whatever the world is full of other apps use something else we don't know right 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:36:54
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     you can you can use the system one which I think will get promoted to like a 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:36:57
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     fuller app suppose it doesn't make a preference pain sooner rather than later 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:37:01
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     now there's a big debate like no I don't care about the debate choose another 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:37:06
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     password manager you know like I mean it looks nicer it works better great for me 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:37:12
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     ► 
     you don't like it good for you try something else done I've tried those 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:37:16
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     other ones. And I still think one password is the best solution out there. I think it's 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:37:22
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     better than the system stuff, because it can do a lot more, including it now has support 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:37:26
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     for creating and using SSH keys, which is really cool. There are some other things though, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:37:32
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     that people are unhappy with. I agree with federal code electron things, not a big deal 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:37:35
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     ► 
     to me. They've gotten rid of local vaults, which they said this was going to be the case 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:37:40
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     ► 
     a long time ago. And what that means is, so in the past, you've been able to just use 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:37:46
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     ► 
     one password, if you just had it like on your Mac, you could just have it have those credentials 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:37:52
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     like just on your computer, right not syncing to a one password server anywhere. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:37:57
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     You could also sync those through Dropbox think that iCloud support as well. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:38:01
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     But now they've moved completely to the subscription model of you have to use one password eight 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:38:07
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     with a one password account, whether it's a personal account, a family account like 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:38:12
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     like Mary and I have, or a business account like Myke, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:38:16
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     you and I have. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:38:17
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     And so for me, that's no big deal at all. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:38:20
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     I was already paying for family and teams 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:38:22
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     because I got benefit from that. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:38:25
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     ► 
     I haven't used a local vault in years. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:38:28
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     ► 
     And honestly, like I trust 1Password to do that correctly. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:38:33
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     I know some people wanna sync it to Dropbox 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:38:35
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     or wanna sync it to iCloud, I understand that. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:38:38
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     But from my perspective, I'm fine with it. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:38:41
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     ► 
     And if there is ever an app that I wanna pay 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:38:44
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     ► 
     on a regular basis for it to continue to get better 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:38:47
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     ► 
     and for them to stay on top of their stuff 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:38:49
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     ► 
     is my password manager, right? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:38:51
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     ► 
     Because they can, with that, continue to do what they do. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:38:56
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     ► 
     And even a company like 1Password, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:38:58
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     ► 
     which has taken a lot of funding, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:38:59
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     ► 
     yet something else people are mad about about them. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:39:02
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     I'm still fine, you know, I pay it yearly. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:39:04
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     ► 
     I just paid my family's one like a couple of weeks ago. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:39:08
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     ► 
     - I mean, this is the way it's been, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:39:10
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     this is the way it was always gonna go. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:39:11
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     And they announced it a long time ago. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:39:13
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     ► 
     And again, if that doesn't work for you, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:39:15
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     there are other solutions, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:39:16
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     ► 
     including Apple zone that uses iCloud. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:39:19
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     ► 
     But for me, I want and need the features 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:39:22
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     ► 
     that those plans give me. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:39:23
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     So I get work, Myke and I have, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:39:26
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     we have a vault that we share. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:39:30
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     ► 
     We have a vault that we share with some of our contractors. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:39:33
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     ► 
     And then I have my own personal vault that you can't see, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:39:36
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     ► 
     but it's in my relay account, right? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:39:37
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     ► 
     It's my work stuff there. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:39:39
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     ► 
     Same thing, what secrets, you know, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:39:41
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     ► 
     just to keep between me and my computer. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:39:44
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     ► 
     Same thing at home. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:39:45
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     ► 
     I've got a vault, Mary has a vault, we have a combined one. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:39:48
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     ► 
     That is critical to how I like work with people I work with 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:39:52
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     ► 
     and how Mary and I share login information. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:39:55
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     ► 
     So I'm totally fine, continue to pay that. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:39:57
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     ► 
     - I do understand Dev1 a little bit more, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:40:00
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     'cause I can imagine that there may be, I mean, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:40:03
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     ► 
     I'm sure there are some customers who, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:40:06
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     ► 
     not necessarily just don't want a subscription service, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:40:09
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     ► 
     but just don't ever want to sync this stuff in the cloud? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:40:12
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     ► 
     Like, I think that that's a valid thing, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:40:16
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     ► 
     like to just be like, I don't want it ever syncing. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:40:18
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     ► 
     I just want it to live on my computer only. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:40:21
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     ► 
     And I guess 1Password 7 is still available to you, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:40:26
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     ► 
     but it won't be. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:40:28
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     ► 
     I mean, I do say, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:40:29
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     ► 
     I understand why that could frustrate people, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:40:32
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     ► 
     but ultimately 1Password is allowed 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:40:37
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     ► 
     make its own decisions as a company, right? 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:40:39
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     ► 
     And this is the way that they want to go to... 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:40:42
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     ► 
     I was gonna say to be sustainable, but I don't think that's the case anymore. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:40:46
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     ► 
     It's not about sustainability for subscriptions now for a venture backed company. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:40:50
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     ► 
     It's about recurring revenue so they can continue to be profitable and valuable. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:40:55
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     ► 
     Yeah, and I get that. I totally do. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:40:57
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     ► 
     The sort of the last thing that came up in the Discord, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:41:00
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     ► 
     there is a open test flight for 1Password 8 for iOS, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:41:05
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     ► 
     and it brings a lot of this look and feel 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:41:08
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     ► 
     to the iPhone and iPad. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:41:10
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     ► 
     I've only used it a little bit, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:41:12
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     ► 
     so I think we'll cover that once it actually comes out. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:41:14
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     ► 
     I don't know when that is, maybe, probably later this year. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:41:17
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     ► 
     - It's SwiftUI, right? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:41:18
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     ► 
     It's all written in SwiftUI. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:41:20
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     ► 
     - I have read that, I'm not positive. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:41:23
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     ► 
     It updates the iOS app to look and feel more like 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:41:27
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     ► 
     the Mac app, and I think their goal with moving to Electron 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:41:32
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     ► 
     and it uses Rust as their backend stuff 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:41:34
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     ► 
     is to keep 1Password updated more frequently 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:41:37
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     ► 
     and more evenly across all these platforms, right? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:41:41
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     ► 
     So if you ever use 1Password on Windows, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:41:44
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     ► 
     like no offense to the people at 1Password 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:41:45
     ◼
      
     ► 
     who work on the Windows app, it's not great. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:41:47
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     ► 
     Like the Mac version was way better. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:41:49
     ◼
      
     ► 
     And now with this, all of their customers 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:41:52
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     ► 
     will experience a similar workflow, look and feel, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:41:57
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     ► 
     you know, feature set across all the platforms. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:41:59
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     ► 
     And that's important because they are serving people 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:42:02
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     ► 
     in all sorts of different markets now, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:42:03
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     ► 
     not just us fancy Mac people anymore. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:42:06
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     ► 
     - It is SwiftUI and Rust. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:42:08
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     ► 
     - Is the current version of the iOS app. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:42:11
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     ► 
     - Rust is a multi-paradigm 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:42:13
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     ► 
     general purpose programming language. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:42:15
     ◼
      
     ► 
     - I would hate it if my vault was filled with Rust 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:42:17
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     ► 
     'cause then it wouldn't open 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:42:18
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     ► 
     and I wouldn't get my passwords anymore. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:42:20
     ◼
      
     ► 
     - Yeah, maybe that's what happens. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:42:22
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     ► 
     Maybe the old app was built on metal 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:42:23
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     ► 
     and now it's been replaced with Rust. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:42:28
     ◼
      
     ► 
     So 1Password 8. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:42:30
     ◼
      
     ► 
     If you're using 7, go check it out. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:42:32
     ◼
      
     ► 
     I've been impressed with it. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:42:34
     ◼
      
     ► 
     Yeah, I ran the beta a long time. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:42:35
     ◼
      
     ► 
     I definitely had that thought, Myke, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:42:36
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     ► 
     that you mentioned, like, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:42:37
     ◼
      
     ► 
     maybe I don't want my passwords in a beta, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:42:39
     ◼
      
     ► 
     but it was solid in the beta, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:42:41
     ◼
      
     ► 
     and the release version is good too. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:42:44
     ◼
      
     ► 
     - Yeah, it just, for me, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:42:45
     ◼
      
     ► 
     it just kind of felt like something I wasn't excited enough 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:42:47
     ◼
      
     ► 
     that I felt like I needed to check out 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:42:49
     ◼
      
     ► 
     before they were ready to say it's done. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:42:50
     ◼
      
     ► 
     - Yeah, totally. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:42:52
     ◼
      
     ► 
     Like, I was just fine with, like, just waiting. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:42:55
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     ► 
     And then, I mean, as soon as it came out, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:42:56
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     ► 
     I was like, great, I wanna go get it, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:42:57
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     'cause I think visually it looks really nice. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Maybe I'm not discerning enough, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     but if there wasn't that whole hullabaloo, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So as we mentioned earlier in the show, WWDC is coming and I thought something that we 
     
     
  
 
 
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     could do is at this point, as we're about to say goodbye to all of our knowledge of 
     
     
  
 
 
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     current iOS versions is to refresh ourselves a little bit on, I said iOS but I meant just 
     
     
  
 
 
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     OS, to take some time over the next few weeks. I kind of wanted to look at each version and 
     
     
  
 
 
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     how it's kind of fared over the last year and maybe use it as a stage to talk briefly 
     
     
  
 
 
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     about maybe some stuff that we are looking for or hoping for without too much pontificating 
     
     
  
 
 
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     so we don't spoil the rookies. So I went through Apple's iOS 15 page and pulled in some of 
     
     
  
 
 
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     the biggest features and I thought I could run through them and maybe we could stop and 
     
     
  
 
 
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     talk about anything you guys want to share some thoughts on these features at all. Focus 
     
     
  
 
 
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     modes was one of the biggest things added in IMS 15. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Yeah stop there. We got really far. So focus modes I think we all had some pretty big hopes 
     
     
  
 
 
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     for this feature, and I really got into it for the first three, four months. Like, I 
     
     
  
 
 
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     was really into it. Like, I did the work to set it up for different scenarios, for different 
     
     
  
 
 
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     times of the day, different triggers, and that was the problem with it. And that was 
     
     
  
 
 
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     why eventually I stopped using it, and why I also think it didn't really make a dent 
     
     
  
 
 
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     in how people are using their phones. It requires a ton of work upfront. There's a ton of friction 
     
     
  
 
 
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     on the user to get started with focus mode and to really customize it to your needs. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And if Apple, like if they continue working on this, meaning if it doesn't go the way 
     
     
  
 
 
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     of screen time, where it got popular for that year that everybody was talking about like, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     "Oh, our habits when we're using our phones, digital attention and all that kind of digital 
     
     
  
 
 
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     well-being," like Apple rolled out the feature and then they kind of forgot about it. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So if it doesn't go like that, and I don't think it will because do not disturb it's 
     
     
  
 
 
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     something more universal, something that a ton of people use. If the company continues 
     
     
  
 
 
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     to work on this, I think they should really... 
     
     
  
 
 
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     If they continue to focus on it. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Yes. Oh my God. If they continue to work on this feature, they should try and figure out 
     
     
  
 
 
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     ways to make it easier to get started. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     easier to say, like, basically, don't punish me if I'm gonna set up five different focus modes, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     but even things like copy and paste settings between modes. It's a ton of work to pick every 
     
     
  
 
 
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     single individual app and every single person and customizing the settings, and it's so much work 
     
     
  
 
 
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     that most people will be like, you know what, I'm just gonna stick with Do Not Disturb and that's it. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Yeah, my biggest issue with focus modes and something that I would want to see them change 
     
     
  
 
 
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     because I just think it's a really weird decision, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     is that everything that you choose, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     you must choose explicitly, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     where I would just like to remove the things 
     
     
  
 
 
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     that I don't want. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Because I remember when you were running your time 
     
     
  
 
 
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     where you were always in a focus mode. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I think I remember one of the things that I said to you 
     
     
  
 
 
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     was like, how do you deal with when you add a new app 
     
     
  
 
 
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     or a new contact? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     You have to remember to put them in to all of the modes. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - I actually have a solution for that, I think. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So say that you, yeah, say you install a new application 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and it has notifications. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     When that panel comes up and says, you know, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     one, two, three app would like to send you notifications, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I would love from there to say, okay, it's allowed 
     
     
  
 
 
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     in this, this, and this focus mode. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Or it's not allowed in the others. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     'Cause right now you have to step through 
     
     
  
 
 
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     the focus workflow every time. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It's really, that's always struck me as odd 
     
     
  
 
 
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     because maybe just the way I think about it, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     but notifications and focus modes 
     
     
  
 
 
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     are like two sides of the same coin. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Why can't I get to that from the other side? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I don't know, it seems so simple to me, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     maybe I'm missing something, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     but I think that would be a nice way to elevate it 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and make it a little bit easier to get into. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Because if you don't do it, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     then your systems slowly break down over time, right? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Because you've installed new things, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     you have new contacts, whatever, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and six months down the road, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     your focus modes don't really do what they were supposed to do 
     
     
  
 
 
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     because you've added all this stuff 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and they are unaware of it. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - Don't really know how Apple, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     we're saying these things and they make sense, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     but practically speaking, how do you fix them? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I don't know. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     But I think as, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I don't put a lot of faith into Apple saying, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     oh, now it's easier to get started with focus modes 
     
     
  
 
 
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     because we are using intelligence 
     
     
  
 
 
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     to determine the apps and contacts you want. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And like, that's not a solution 
     
     
  
 
 
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     because I don't fully trust your quote unquote 
     
     
  
 
 
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     intelligent Siri based system to determine the apps. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     But make it easier for me, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     like I mentioned copy and paste up between different modes 
     
     
  
 
 
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     for the settings that you use, that could be one idea. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Another one could be what Myke said of like, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     rather than include things, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     start from an exclusion standpoint, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     sort of like here's the default, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Just pick out the things you want to leave out. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So that could be another way to build a focus mode. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Maybe, maybe I'm just saying this, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     maybe make focus modes shareable 
     
     
  
 
 
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     so that people can build a template for a focus mode 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and they can share it with you. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And so it's easier to get started. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - Maybe that will be just as successful and popular 
     
     
  
 
 
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     as Apple Watch sharing. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - As soon as I said it, I thought of it. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I was like, you know. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So there was a general notification overhaul. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     One of the things was notification summaries, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     which I tried once and never tried again. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - Oh, I've leaned into it. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - No. - Big time. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     - Sir, you have the floor. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - I went through, I only have a couple of apps 
     
     
  
 
 
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     that are allowed to send time sensitive ones. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And those are the ones that stick around 
     
     
  
 
 
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     for like an hour, I think. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And before they end up back, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     they sort of stick to the lock screen, basically. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     They don't disappear into notification center 
     
     
  
 
 
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     after you've unlocked the phone. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Got a couple apps that do that. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It's Todoist and maybe Messages, and maybe the only two. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And then I've got some that send me regular notifications 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:51:37
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     like they always have, but a bunch of stuff that like, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:51:40
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     yeah, I'd like to know what's going on in here, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:51:41
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     but it's not critical, I've shoved off into the summary. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And I've got three summaries a day. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I've got 8 a.m., so it catches overnight stuff, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     noon and then 8 p.m. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:51:55
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     So it kind of splits the day. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:51:56
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     And it's worked out really well, actually. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:52:01
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     So things like Parcel or TestFlight or, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:52:06
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     I'm trying to unlock my phone as I talk 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:52:09
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     and find other examples, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:52:10
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     but it's just a handful of things 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:52:12
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     that I've moved out into that scheduled summary. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:52:17
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     - You think you know a guy, you know? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:52:19
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     - Yeah, right. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:52:21
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     So it was redesigned in iOS 15.2. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:52:24
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     They now have this floating bubble type thing going on. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:52:29
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     Used to be this very boring stack of notifications, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:52:33
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     and in 15.2 they gave it a bit of a new design. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:52:36
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     I think it shares many of the same problems of focus modes, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:52:42
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     meaning you gotta do a ton of work up front, right? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:52:45
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     And it's not... 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:52:46
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     My problem with the notification summary is that 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:52:48
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     It's a binary thing. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:52:52
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     Like you can set up multiple summaries, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:52:54
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     but you can only send notifications to one summary 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:52:58
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     that gets delivered at multiple times throughout the day. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:53:02
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     Whereas what I would have liked to see was, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     okay, give me a news summary, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     give me an entertainment summary, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     give me a gaming summary, give me a social summary. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Like let me set up categories of apps 
     
     
  
 
 
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     so that I can triage my notifications like that 
     
     
  
 
 
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     so that I know that in the evening 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I get my social media summary. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And maybe in the morning, I get my news-based summary. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Like, that was my hope for this feature, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     but now it's just, yeah, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     it's just set up multiple schedules like an alarm, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and otherwise you just mark things as going into the summary, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     but that's all you can do. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     You cannot categorize anything. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And I realized that asking for more categorization 
     
     
  
 
 
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     may be in direct opposition to saying, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     require less work from the user. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     But in this case, I would be up to see something like Apple categorizing things for you. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     They do have, I'll share this, that there is a precedent for Apple using categories 
     
     
  
 
 
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     to automatically organize stuff for you on your device. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And that's the app library. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So why not use those same categories to automatically create summaries for you? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:54:11
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     And then you can set up the schedules you want. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:54:13
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     But you could say, "Gaming notifications, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     go into the gaming summary." 
     
     
  
 
 
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     You know, maybe that's a direction that could be explored. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - Time-sensitive notifications. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - They're okay, some apps have been abusing them. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I've seen some apps that, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     do you really need a time-sensitive indication 
     
     
  
 
 
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     for a movie ticket? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Like, no, you don't. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     - I have very few, very, very few time-sensitive, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     like they're just, there aren't really many applications 
     
     
  
 
 
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     or all that I think need this. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And also just like, I'm not particularly fond 
     
     
  
 
 
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     of the way that iOS handles it. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It's like too aggressive, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     which is why like I don't even have like calendar alarms 
     
     
  
 
 
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     as like calendar alerts as time sensitive 
     
     
  
 
 
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     'cause it's too aggressive. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     You can't get rid of them. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And I know that's kind of the point, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     but I tend not to like it. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - Yeah, I think the key there is find the one or two 
     
     
  
 
 
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     you really need and don't put any others in that category. It also says time 
     
     
  
 
 
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     sensitive and capital letters at the top of the notification. Way too bold, way way 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:55:18
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     way too bold. Really annoying. Not a big fan of that. Quick note which is 
     
     
  
 
 
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     barely an iOS feature. Barely an iOS feature. I mean you can see the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:55:32
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     Quick Notes, but this is all. Like, I actually, in the next app stories, I went down this 
     
     
  
 
 
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     rabbit hole about Quick Notes and how it works. But basically, my problem is that it's not 
     
     
  
 
 
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     cross-platform. It's really an iPadOS feature that was kind of tucked on MacOS and iOS. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     On iOS, it does nothing, right? You only see the Quick Notes in the Quick Notes folder, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     but it doesn't-- 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:55:59
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     is weird, but it doesn't do anything. It doesn't support the swiping from the bottom to capture 
     
     
  
 
 
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     a Quick Note. It doesn't support the highlights. If you've saved highlights from a Safari page, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     it doesn't do anything. So this is part of a bigger thing that I would like to see, which 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:56:16
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     is proper multitasking on the iPhone, but I guess we'll talk about that in the future. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:56:21
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     But yeah, barely an iOS feature. And also it's not an API, so I don't know. Should Quick 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:56:28
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     to be something that developers can customize should be... 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:56:31
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     Like, I would love to do anything 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:56:34
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     in floating Quick Note mode, personally. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:56:38
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     Like, not even note-taking, right? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:56:40
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     I'm just, I don't know, floating Twitter, you know? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:56:43
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     That's not a terrible idea. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:56:44
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     Like, I love the, um... 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:56:46
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     That's terrible. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:56:47
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     I love the picture-in-picture on iPhone for video. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:56:52
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     So, like, it totally works. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:56:54
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     Like, if that's allowed, right, why not Quick Note? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I don't get it. Shareplay, which we spent a bit of time talking about over the last 
     
     
  
 
 
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     couple of weeks, like none of us use it, none of us really see a need for it, but we heard 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:57:08
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     from lots of passionate ones that do use it. Lots of legitimate use cases for most people, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:57:15
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     it's possibly a gimmick, but I haven't seen anyone in real life talk about this, but some 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:57:22
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     Some people have some quite actually sweet and legitimate uses for this, so great for 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:57:33
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     Looking at just the general impact on the people as this entity of the general public 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:57:40
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     that we like to be experts of sometimes, I don't see it in real life. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:57:47
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     FaceTime got a bunch of updates including a grid view for group calls, FaceTime on the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:57:54
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     web and audio and visual effects like blurring the background and you could do stuff with 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:58:01
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     your voice to try and cut out some sound stuff. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:58:04
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     Here's the thing, I don't use FaceTime really. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:58:08
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     Yeah, that's the thing. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:58:10
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     That's the problem. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:58:11
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     Definitely not in groups if I ever use FaceTime. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:58:15
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     I've never done a serious group FaceTime. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:58:19
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     It's always Zoom. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:58:20
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     - Effects for anything in Apple software, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:58:24
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     like you get these effects in iMessage, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:58:27
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     in clips, in FaceTime. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:58:30
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     Those are the definition of a gimmick. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:58:32
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     I've used it once, I think. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:58:36
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     Grid view is fine. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:58:38
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     So I've used it a couple of times in grid view. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:58:40
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     It's fine, it's okay. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:58:43
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     But I can say that I've really tried the web version though. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:58:47
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     So I have no idea. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:58:48
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     - I mean, why would we? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:58:49
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     - Yeah. - Right? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:58:50
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     Like why would we? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:58:52
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     - It kind of feels like they caught up to Zoom 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:58:56
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     at the end of the pandemic. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:58:57
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     And at that point, so many companies have signed up 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:59:01
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     for business plans, like Zoom accounts. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:59:03
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     Like for example, Sylvia's Dance School, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:59:05
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     they have a Zoom account, like a business Zoom account 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:59:08
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     because they do remote lessons when someone is sick. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:59:11
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     Right, makes sense. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:59:12
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     And now Apple comes in and say, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:59:13
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     "Well, you can just use it with FaceTime." 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:59:16
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     And the company's like, "But why would I? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:59:17
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     "I'm paying for Zoom." 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:59:19
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     I'm fully set up with Zoom. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:59:20
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     I'm not changing my system. - And Zoom just became 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:59:22
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     like the word for video conferencing. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:59:25
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     So too slow. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:59:27
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     If all of this stuff would have existed before, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:59:30
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     like if you could join them on the web 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:59:31
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     or join them via a link, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:59:33
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     FaceTime probably would have been way up there 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:59:36
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     if not the dominant, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:59:37
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     but Zoom was able to swipe in, like swoop in 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:59:40
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     because they were, you know, they were, 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:59:44
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     - Swiping, I swipe him right, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:59:45
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     I don't know why that came, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:59:47
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     they zoomed in, is what I should have said. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:59:49
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     And they got shared with you, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:59:53
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     everyone's favorite feature, right? 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:59:55
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     - Love shared with you? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:59:57
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     - I mostly just come across it as like a banner in Safari, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:00:00
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     like John Voorhees shared this link with you, like, okay. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:00:02
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     - Yeah, it's usually John, right? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:00:03
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     John is a sharer. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 01:00:06
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     - I will say mostly for me, it's Steven. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:00:09
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     I just had it earlier. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:00:11
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     It said Steven shared this with you. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:00:13
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     I get a lot of Steven shared this with you. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:00:15
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     But maybe what that means is just me and Steven 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:00:17
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     go to the same things on the web a lot, you know? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:00:20
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     - Yeah. - A lot of Pokemon forums. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:00:22
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     - Yes, I know you do. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:00:23
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     You're always on Smogon and Reddit, VGC. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:00:27
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     I know you, Steven. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:00:28
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     I disable this everywhere, right? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:00:33
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     I just went into settings and I turned it off everywhere. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:00:36
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     And I don't know. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:00:38
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     I kind of feel like if someone sends me a link, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:00:42
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     you know, in iMessage, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:00:44
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     I'm checking out the iMessage conversation. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:00:46
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     I don't need to be reminded. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:00:48
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     It just kind of feels like clutter, you know, in music. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:00:51
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     Like, if John sends me a link, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:00:53
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     I'm going to save that link somewhere. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:00:55
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     I don't need the constant reminder that, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:00:57
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     "Oh, John shared this with you." 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:00:59
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     So, yeah, I don't think we will see any more work 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:01:04
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     on this feature this year in 16. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:01:08
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     I'm really not entirely sure why it exists. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:01:13
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     I'm not sure what problem it solves, honestly. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 01:01:17
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     And I know people could say it's a nice reminder, like you know, you go to Safari. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:01:22
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     But like, I think I said this at the time, I don't, like if somebody sends me something, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:01:28
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     I'm not like, oh, I really want to see that, but not now. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:01:32
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     Like to the point where I go to Safari later and I'm like, oh yeah, like this doesn't, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:01:36
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     You know what I mean? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:01:37
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     Like I, and again, I'm sure we have listeners 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:01:40
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     where you are this way, but like, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:01:42
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     this is a very particular and strange use case in five apps. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:01:46
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     - It almost feels like a solution 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:01:49
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     in search of a problem to solve. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:01:51
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     ► 
     Meaning an engineer came up with an idea of like, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:01:53
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     hey, wouldn't it be neat if I figured out 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:01:55
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     how to scan your IMS conversations 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:01:57
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     for different type of deep links? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:01:59
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     And they were like, yeah, that's cool. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:02:00
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     How can we make it a feature? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:02:01
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     And usually that's not a really useful feature 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:02:03
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     because if you don't start from the problem, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:02:05
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     you start from the solution, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:02:07
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     nobody's really gonna use that. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:02:08
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     And when we say nobody, obviously we don't mean nobody, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:02:12
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     but we gotta think at scale, right? 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 01:02:15
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     - We're using the Royal nobody. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
 
	 01:02:20
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     like this is, you can start from the problem 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:02:25
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     in this scenario, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:02:27
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     if you make it open to everyone to use. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:02:29
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     This is not helpful. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:02:32
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     This is like a problem with so many of Apple's services 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:02:35
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     things, right? If you're only going to allow this in photos, music, Safari, like 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:02:42
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     this isn't enough. People use more than just these five things. Like, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:02:48
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     if you send me a link to Apple music but I don't use Apple music, this is not 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:02:54
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     helpful to me. Right. Well if only there was some other way to save URLs for your 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:02:58
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     use later. Exactly. You know what's funny? That if you were looking for the problem, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:03:02
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     you wouldn't come up with this. You would actually care about reading lists and bookmarks in Safari. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 01:03:08
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     Because if you were starting from the problem, you would take a look at those two features 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:03:14
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     that have existed forever in Safari, and then instead you did a big Safari redesign, which 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:03:20
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     we're going to talk about in a minute, but those two features, you just took them from 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:03:24
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     the previous Safari and you brought them into the new one and you just left them as they 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:03:29
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     But instead for saving links, he didn't like, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:03:32
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     hey, maybe, you know, actually time to consider 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:03:35
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     reading lists and bookmarks again. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:03:38
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     No, what if we came up with a way to scan 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:03:41
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     your iMessage conversations? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:03:43
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     Like, come on, seriously, that's the best answer 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:03:46
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     you have to saving links. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:03:48
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     - And try and access them all in one place, you know? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:03:52
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     Try and do that. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:03:52
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     No, it's not possible. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:03:54
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     - Maybe it's a branding problem. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:03:56
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     You know, maybe shared with you isn't the right name. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:03:59
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     What if they could name it something like "Someone pinged me with this"? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:04:03
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     Oh, here he goes. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
 
	 01:04:08
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     There's something there, I think. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:04:09
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     What was it called? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:04:11
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     The thing on Apple Music that was like this continued… 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:04:14
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     Connect. Oh, my God. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 01:04:17
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     Connect. Yeah. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:04:18
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     Anyway, I'm sorry. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:04:19
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     Was it Apple Music Connect? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:04:21
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     It was Apple Music. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:04:22
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     iTunes Connect. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:04:23
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     No, iTunes Connect is the back end stuff. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 01:04:27
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     Nobody. It was called Connect. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:04:28
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     Apple music connectors were like, oh, hey, I'm your favorite band. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:04:32
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     And I'm like posting pictures on Apple music on my trips. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:04:34
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     Like, no, they're just going to use social media like a normal person. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:04:37
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     And I think it was just like YouTube and Trent Reznor for like months and 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:04:43
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     Coldplay, not Trent Reznor. Yeah. Coldplay. Yeah. Oh, well. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:04:46
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     Safari. So got a big redesign on iPhone. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:04:51
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     The main thing being moving the address bar to the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:04:55
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     bottom and finally fixing the way that tabs look. We've got tab groups and extensions. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:05:04
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     I'm just gonna go ahead and say that I think the new Safari, especially on the iPhone, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:05:08
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     is the best work that Apple has put out in years. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 01:05:12
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     Because I feel like it's the result of a... it's a great combination of having a specific 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:05:16
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     vision for something, but also getting a part of it wrong at the beginning and actually 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:05:22
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     listening to users and iterating over it over the course of the summer. Like, so well done 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:05:30
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     in terms of listening to the community and being very humble about it and be like, "Tell 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:05:34
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     us what is wrong with this." Because we actually thought we had it, but it seems that we don't. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:05:39
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     So tell us what's wrong and let's see if we can figure it out. And I think the result 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:05:45
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     is excellent. I've been using the new design since it was fixed in beta 5 or 6 or whatever. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:05:52
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     last summer, haven't looked back. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:05:55
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     Obviously on the iPad, I'm not using the new design, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:05:57
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     so maybe on the iPad side, things are a little more shaky, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:06:02
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     but on the iPhone, I think really well done. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:06:05
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     If anything, it's a shame that this design 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:06:09
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     is exclusive to Safari. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:06:11
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     - Yes, yeah, more stuff should be bottom centric, right? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:06:14
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     Especially as these phones get bigger, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:06:16
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     why do I have to reach to the top 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:06:18
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     in every other application for stuff? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:06:20
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     I'm sorry. I'm a child. I'm a child. Stop. Stop. Stop me. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:06:27
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     I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry. So why did you do that? I was trying to keep it together 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:06:37
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     and you just had to... I'm so sorry, okay? I can't be blamed for this. I didn't say it. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:06:44
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     I almost said it. I almost said it and you just ruined it. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:06:48
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     I'm blushing too, this is a real experience over here. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:06:52
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     What do you mean you don't use the new Safari design on iPad? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:06:57
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     I don't use the unified tab bar. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:06:59
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     I have the traditional design. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:07:02
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     You know there's the compact tab bar mode on the iPad. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:07:05
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     Nobody uses it really. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:07:07
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     Oh okay, cool. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:07:08
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     But it's there. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:07:09
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     Because I don't remember this. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:07:10
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     It's also still there on the Mac. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:07:13
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     You can turn it on a Mac OS still. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 01:07:17
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     Don't do it. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:07:18
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     - Oh God, yes, that's when, yes, I remember now. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:07:21
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     When the URL bar was in each tab. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:07:23
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     - Yeah, super weird. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:07:25
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     - Yeah, that was bad, that was a bad idea. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:07:27
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     - Honestly, if it gets discontinued this year 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:07:31
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     on iPadOS and Mac OS, I wouldn't be shocked. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:07:34
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     The use, I bet that the usage numbers for that UI mode 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:07:38
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     are below 10% of the user base. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:07:41
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     Like I wouldn't be surprised at all. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:07:43
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     - Oh God, I just turned it on on my Mac, yeah, this is. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 01:07:47
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     And you can turn like the UI color tinting stuff back on too 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:07:51
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     but they're separate check boxes and separate places. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:07:55
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     It's like they were punishing whoever's idea this was like, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:07:58
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     you can turn it back on 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:07:59
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     but they're never gonna find the second option. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:08:01
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     How does it look on iPad though? 
     
     
  
 
 
 
 
	 01:08:05
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     No, it's bad. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 01:08:08
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     There's a section in my review with screenshots. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:08:11
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     I've only used it for those screenshots. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:08:14
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     Yeah, it's not good. Turn it off. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:08:16
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     Not good. Not good at all. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:08:18
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     I'm looking for that. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:08:19
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     Extensions is the great part, though. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:08:21
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     Yes, absolutely. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:08:22
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     Except for, like, if you get really into extensions, the UI to manage them is not great. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:08:31
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     I wish that it was a bit more like a macOS where your preferences window can open within Safari. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:08:40
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     Instead, like, it feels like there's too many taps involved, especially on the iPhone, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:08:44
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     where you get this huge list and the huge list gets cut off at some point, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:08:49
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     and so you gotta click the puzzle icon, manage extensions, and then you gotta go in there. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:08:54
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     And it feels like a little too cumbersome if you keep too many extensions installed, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:08:58
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     but otherwise, they're great, right? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:09:00
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     I think, obviously, on iPhone and iPad, they don't exactly have the same capabilities as extensions on the Mac. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:09:08
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     There's some things that are missing, I believe. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:09:11
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     I ran into this last week when I was testing the extension for Raindrop, the bookmarking 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:09:16
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     service, and it behaves differently on the iPhone and iPad than it does on the Mac. And 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:09:21
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     I bet it's because of some limitations that occur when you're trying to have an extension 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:09:26
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     always running in the background in Safari. But otherwise, solid job. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:09:32
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     My only reservation, but I think I'm actually in the minority here, is tab groups. I don't 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:09:38
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     personally use them but I know quite a few people who do. Including one of our very own here. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:09:43
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     Yeah I use them to my own detriment but I do use them. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 01:09:47
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     I like having things really neatly organized. Like I have a tab group for recording and like I have a 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:09:54
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     tab group for like relay and so like they're set up just with the things that I'm gonna need for 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:10:00
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     each mode that I've worked that I'm in at that moment. And then they sync from device to device 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:10:06
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     like all of my devices. I really like it. I do really like it. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:10:10
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     Live text. Great feature. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:10:12
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     Great feature. Perfect execution, I would say. Integrated system-wide. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:10:17
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     It's in the camera. It's in photos. It's in Quick Look. It's now in shortcuts. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:10:22
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     Honestly, I don't have anything else to add here. Maybe down the road, obviously, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:10:28
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     it's happening, right? Especially if Apple gets into AR more and more. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:10:32
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     I think the camera, the actual real-time integrations will go deeper than what you can do right now. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:10:40
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     Obviously, Apple has to do it, if they're working on headsets and glasses, right? To 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:10:44
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     be able to actually sort of overlay graphics on top of recognized text, but also objects, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:10:51
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     like street signs, for example, like directions and that sort of thing. But for now, for just 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:10:58
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     extracting text, super well done. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:11:00
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     Yeah, for me, I don't use it often, but every time I do, I love it. Like, you know, it's 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:11:04
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     like I have to get a phone number from something or an email address or something and it's 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:11:07
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     on a piece of paper or like, or one for me is like somebody, like I want to, this is 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:11:14
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     the worst, I can't believe this is how I have to do this. Like somebody sends you something 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:11:18
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     in a message and you just want to copy a part of it. And so you take a screenshot of the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:11:24
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     iMessage, then you can use live text to select one part of the iMessage. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:11:28
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     That is genius. You know what I usually do when that happens? I copy the whole message 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:11:33
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     and I paste it into the compose box and then I cut the part that is relevant to me. The 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:11:38
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     problem is that occasionally with my stupid fingers I've done the wrong thing and I've 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:11:43
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     sent the message that somebody sent me back to them. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:11:47
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     Yeah, why do you think I figured this thing out? Because I did that all the time. Yeah, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:11:52
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     just take a screenshot and use the live text and you can copy part of it out of there. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:11:56
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     It is silly that you have to do that. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:11:58
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     I kind of can't believe that we still don't have text selection inside of iMessage. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:12:02
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     Like, that's just wild to me. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:12:04
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     We're still in this world. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:12:06
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     But yeah, I don't use it often, but every time I do, I love it. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:12:09
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     Like, it's a great feature. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:12:10
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     Photo memories, they got changed. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:12:12
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     Everybody that listens to the show knows that the three of us hate that. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 01:12:17
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     They added a bunch of privacy features. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:12:19
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     There was the app privacy report, which I've never looked at. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:12:22
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     Nope, never have. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:12:24
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     Because I think this got added late too, right? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:12:26
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     like I don't think it was in shipping 15 15.2 or three I want to yeah so it's 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:12:31
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     like I'm never gonna even think about it email tracking prevention who uses Apple 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:12:37
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     Mail I do of course you do you use Chrome and Apple Mail what kind of like 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:12:44
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     cursed mixture is that you are one I'd like a browser that works with web pages 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:12:51
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     that I need to use and Apple Mail is all I need. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 01:12:54
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     - But yeah, I'm not using the privacy stuff. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:12:58
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     - I don't like the email tracking prevention thing myself. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:13:01
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     Like, look, I said this before, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:13:03
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     I'm not sure Apple needs to keep inserting itself 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:13:06
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     into everything, like I'm making decisions for everyone 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:13:10
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     on their behalf, like we need them to protect us. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:13:14
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     Like, if I care enough about this stuff, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:13:18
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     I can use email services to do this for me. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:13:21
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     I don't need Apple to do it for me. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:13:24
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     And then just inadvertently disrupt lots of people's businesses. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 01:13:31
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     Knowing that somebody opened your email is important. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:13:35
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     And from a privacy thing, it's not the worst thing. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:13:38
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     And I know that there's more than that. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:13:40
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     But the fact that it also cuts out people that are trying to build businesses 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:13:44
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     that have email newsletters attached to them. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:13:47
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     It seems a bit heavy handed to me, but that's my own view on these things. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:13:54
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     And also they do, oh, I was going to iCloud Plus, where they do the private relay thing, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:13:58
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     which I've never used because I don't need that or want that, and hide my email, which 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:14:02
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     also I don't want. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:14:03
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     And so this is a thing, hide my email, somewhat I feel similar to email tracking prevention, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:14:07
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     and it made Steven's life worse for a while. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 01:14:12
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     Yeah, it broke with the Kickstarter stuff last year. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:14:15
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     Oh, I remember that. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:14:17
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     Including somebody who worked on the feature at Apple, 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 01:14:21
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     Yeah, I can't say that I've used any of these features. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:14:25
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     I remember trying private relay 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:14:29
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     ► 
     and it cut my internet speed in like, by like two thirds 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:14:33
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     and everything was super slow. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:14:34
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     And I think it got better, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:14:37
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     ► 
     but also I don't think I'm the type of person 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:14:41
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     who would need all these extra layers of protection. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:14:46
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     I think there are legitimate use cases, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:14:49
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     especially in certain countries, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:14:51
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     for wanting your internet to be protected at all times 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:14:55
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     and having the tracking prevention in mail 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:14:57
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     and having the app privacy report. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:15:00
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     I think that needs to exist, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:15:03
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     especially in some places of the world. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:15:06
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     But personally here, I feel pretty lucky in Italy 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:15:11
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     that I don't really need any of these things. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:15:15
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     And if I would, I would probably just use a VPN for those times 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:15:18
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     when, oh, I want to watch a TV show from the United States, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     but it's preventing me to do so. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I'm just going to use a VPN. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I think Apple will continue to ship these kinds of features. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     But obviously, these are kind of the niche additions to iOS. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     People are not installing the next version of iOS 
     
     
  
 
 
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     because of the privacy improvements. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I mean, those are welcome, but you're not 
     
     
  
 
 
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     rushing to update your phone because of app privacy report, right? You want the new widgets 
     
     
  
 
 
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     or the new emoji or stuff. Yeah. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Question for you, I don't know the answer to this. Email tracking prevention, do you 
     
     
  
 
 
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     get asked if you want to enable that feature? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     There's a splash screen, yes. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Okay, cool. That's fine then. Now I feel better about it. Let's just say someone can choose, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     right? Because I'm going to say like, if they don't ask for that, but they do ask for app 
     
     
  
 
 
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     tracking transparency. So if you ask, but the difference is though, okay so the 
     
     
  
 
 
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     difference is, I'm talking about this all through this now, with app tracking 
     
     
  
 
 
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     transparency I get to choose per app. With email tracking prevention it's all 
     
     
  
 
 
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     email right? Like if I say, like then no one will ever know I've opened their 
     
     
  
 
 
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     emails even if people like I trust. Like I don't, I mostly turn off, I ask not 
     
     
  
 
 
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     to track but not always. I leave that on sometimes because I do feel like in some 
     
     
  
 
 
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     places we're gonna see ads I would like those ads to be the most relevant that 
     
     
  
 
 
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     they can be. That's my own preference. I'm gonna see the ads. I at least want the 
     
     
  
 
 
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     ads to be me. Like on Instagram. Yes I'm talking specifically about Instagram. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I didn't ask Instagram not to track. Like they're gonna track me 
     
     
  
 
 
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     anyway so I might as well get the benefit out of it. That's 
     
     
  
 
 
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     my own personal view on this stuff. At least you're gonna get the good track, you know? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     If you need to be... I get a good tracking. I'm gonna get track, I don't want bad track. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I want good track. And like most of the time for me, like I say no when it's kind of like 
     
     
  
 
 
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     to an app, I was like, I don't even know why you're tracking me. So if you're asking me, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I'm saying no. I don't like, you know, like there's an app that I use to check train times. And it was 
     
     
  
 
 
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     like, do you like, why are you tracking me? You know, I know. Thank you. I'm pretty sure 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I once seen, I once installed like a Plex, a third party client and asked to track me. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I was like, wait, I just wanted to watch a recorded episode of the Gossip Girl reboot 
     
     
  
 
 
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     that John recorded for me on his Plex server. And you're tracking me. Why is it? John record 
     
     
  
 
 
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     shows for you? Oh man, all the time. Of course he does. Big Plex buddy. John has a Mac mini 
     
     
  
 
 
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     server set up in a closet, right, that is constantly sort of streaming American television 
     
     
  
 
 
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     to me. So like any event I can watch. And we actually do like watch parties occasionally 
     
     
  
 
 
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     for like the Oscars and like, you know, we didn't do the Met Gala, but you know, the 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Oscars, the Super Bowl for the halftime show, like I actually watch and invite 
     
     
  
 
 
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     friends over, it's fun and it's all thanks to Jon's Plex server. When 
     
     
  
 
 
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     you initially said we do watch parties I thought you meant you and Jon but no 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Jon's not invited. No, Jon doesn't care about any of this stuff. He doesn't care, he's just out there playing 
     
     
  
 
 
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     playing you know Nintendo Switch games and whatnot, yeah. Steven would you 
     
     
  
 
 
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     install the Mac Mini for me in a closet? I think Jon has it covered. That was kind of what I was 
     
     
  
 
 
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     expecting. I just opened Safari since we're talking about it, kind of check out the UI stuff, and I got 
     
     
  
 
 
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     a banner at the top. New Safari extensions available. Do you want to turn on quote 
     
     
  
 
 
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     parentheses null end quote and minus one other extension? Whatever, say yes! Just live dangerously 
     
     
  
 
 
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     man come on no - one - the - one is the best part like cuz no it's like that's 
     
     
  
 
 
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     stupid but happens right but how do you get to - one extension if I hit turn on 
     
     
  
 
 
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     extensions actually gonna turn one off yeah I think it means that if you turn 
     
     
  
 
 
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     no on you go negative extensions so that's why I was 15 I can't wait to see 
     
     
  
 
 
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     what you do with it if you want to find links to stuff we spoke about this week 
     
     
  
 
 
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     head on over to the website relay.fm/connected/396. While you're there you can get in touch with 
     
     
  
 
 
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     feedback or follow up. There's an email link there in the sidebar. You can also join and 
     
     
  
 
 
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     get connected pro which is a longer ad-free version of the show each and every week. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     If you want to find us online, you know, we're around. Federico is the editor-in-chief of 
     
     
  
 
 
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     maxstories.net. Do your own work. Yeah, you can find us. If you want to find us out, find us. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     You know what? Google me, you know, just Google me. You'll find me. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     You can find a Federico at max stories.net and uh, he, uh, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     doing Pokemon stuff, you know, on the internet. Yes. So max stories.net. Yes. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Yes. Max stories.net/Pokemon I think is the page you can find. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Myke, he's around too. He's on relays and a bunch of other relay shows. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     You probably find him on our website. Uh, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     you can find my t-shirt link in the show notes. Okay. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It's a good t-shirt. I bought it. I encourage you to buy it. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:20:42
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     You know, it's a good t-shirt. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:20:44
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     I also bought one. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     You can walk around and you can pretend that you worked on the Lisa. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:20:47
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     I mean, who wouldn't want that? You know what I'm saying? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Yep. It was out before all of us were born, but that's fine. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Uh, what else do you do at the end of the show? Oh, you think our sponsors, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I'd like to thank our sponsors, Fitbod, Electric and TexExpander. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Until next week, guys say goodbye. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Arrivederci.