405: A Calendar Called "Secrets"
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From Relay FM, this is Connected, episode 405.
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That's one episode more than 404, which was last week.
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And I'm so pleased to introduce Stephen Hackett.
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Welcome back, Stephen.
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Hello, Federico.
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How are you?
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I am doing excellent.
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despite the heat wave that is ongoing for two weeks now
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in Rome, I'm fine.
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Thanks to the AC, yes.
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- That's good, yeah, it's really hot here as well.
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I think I sent y'all a text yesterday of the heat index.
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It was like 112 Fahrenheit, which is what, 44 C I think?
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- Don't like the sound of that.
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- Mm-mm, mm-mm, not good.
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I am joined not only by you Federico,
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But a person who is well equipped to deal with the heat, Mr. Myke Hurley.
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Oh, thank God.
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Okay, so Myke is here.
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I just wanted to point out something which is kind of funny.
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People might catch it if they listen to the pro show,
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which you can get to get at getconnecttopro.co.
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Federico said, "Welcome back to Steven."
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But in the timeline of the show, Steven didn't go anywhere.
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Think about that.
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Time is also weird.
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Time is a weird concept.
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If you're looking to have your mind expanded, go to get connected pro.co.
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That's what we offer you this week.
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Apple has cut trade-in prices again.
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Yes, this keeps happening.
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So most, a lot of the good products, they're down like 500, no, no, sorry, like $50, $500.
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They're down like $50.
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- You actually have to pay Apple for them to take it.
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- Yeah, that's how it works now.
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There was a sale that occurred in my household,
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Adina managed it, of both of my iPad Pros,
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so I've sold all my iPad Pros now.
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- Oh no, so you're not a Pro iPad user anymore.
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- I am a normie, I have a mini and an Air.
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I'm a normie iPad user. - Yeah, 'cause that's
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what normal people do, they have two iPads.
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- As we said before, regular guy over here,
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you know, with my two iPads, regular guy.
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Just I'm a man of the people,
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regular guy with my iPad Air and my iPad Mini.
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And we got significantly more for each of these products
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than Apple would trade in.
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I think we got more for a 2018 iPad, selling it on eBay,
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than I would if I was trading in a 2020 iPad on the 11 inch.
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Because people want these products,
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so they will pay money for them.
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It's the kind of money Apple will sell you
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a refurbished product for.
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But as we've mentioned many times on the show,
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Apple don't want to give you any money to take it from you
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because they just don't want to do that.
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So if you're looking to trade stuff in,
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I don't recommend going via Apple still.
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I recommend find someone in your life to hand it down to,
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sell it on eBay, sell it on, I don't know if Craigslist
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is a good place to sell these things
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or your local electronic store or something like that.
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That would be my recommendation to you all.
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I have some real time follow up news.
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We previously talked about how Apple months ago
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sued the Anisot group,
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the creators of the Pegasus spyware tool.
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Apple just announced a new feature
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coming out in the next beta of iOS 16, iPadOS and Ventura,
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which I suppose given the timing of this announcement
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will be out any minute now.
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They have announced,
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now the name is kind of unfortunate given the pandemic,
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but this new feature is called Lockdown Mode.
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- Lockdown, Lockdown Mode is a new extreme security feature.
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- Extreme. - That will help,
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that will block targeted attacks
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on high profile individuals.
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This feature, and I'm now quoting Mark Gurman,
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there's a bunch of articles out already.
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This feature will severely limit messages,
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Safari, Apple services, and other endpoints
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that hackers usually rely on to attack an iPhone
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using tools like Pegasus.
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So lockdown mode will be, there are screenshots
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already that Apple provided some members of the press.
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It'll be available in settings,
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and it'll block incoming FaceTime calls,
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some Safari features, some Apple services,
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configuration profiles, a bunch of stuff.
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And it is designed for individuals who fear
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they may be targeted by cyber attacks on their iPhones.
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- So it basically makes the phone not as useful.
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Like, I don't mean this in a bad way,
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but like it takes away a bunch of features
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that could otherwise be used nefariously.
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So yeah, I'm looking at Apple's press release.
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Message attachment types are blocked,
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link previews are disabled,
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just-in-time JavaScript compilation
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and web browsing is disabled,
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invitations and services requests,
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FaceTime calls as Federico mentioned,
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wired connections with a computer or accessory cannot be used when the iPhone is locked,
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and configuration profiles cannot be installed.
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So this just feels like a permanent thing I guess that you can put on and just take
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it off when you want to.
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How intriguing.
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They've also given, announced a 10 million dollar grant to bolster research exposing
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such threats.
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And I have some additional follow up.
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iOS 16 beta 3 is out.
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Hooray! We'll install that during the episode and we'll see what happens. Maybe everything's about to change.
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Or nothing at all. Forget everything you know.
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MacBook Air orders. So we have some information here. Apple also announced as we're recording today.
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MacBook Air will be available to order on July 8th. So on Friday.
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And it will start shipping next Friday on the 15th.
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There was something kind of funny, I think, about this,
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which I wanted to see what you guys thought.
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This is kind of happening the day before Apple announced
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MKBHD posted a video reviewing a new Asus phone,
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and he was scrolling through his calendar,
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and on the calendar had both the date of his briefing
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for the MacBook Air and the embargo.
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- It's like, this is just,
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This is, I'm surprised about this, honestly.
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Like I know that a lot of people,
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I guess it's complicated, right?
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Like I know that a lot of people
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that do this kind of stuff,
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I remember John Syracuse used to say this,
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I don't know if you do this Federico, I don't think you do,
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is having like specific accounts that you use
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when taking screenshots and stuff,
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so you don't leak information in reviews.
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- Yeah, I don't do this,
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but I'm very careful with the annotation tools in screen.
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- To hide them, yeah.
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- And this just seems like a funny thing
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for him to like show his calendar.
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Like just for a million reasons.
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It's just surprising.
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This kind of thing was just, it's just,
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I guess it's just a mistake.
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It was obviously a mistake that he made,
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but like just like a funny little thing to happen.
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But like, it's one of those things where I think
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we were talking about this in chat and someone said like,
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oh, he's going to get a call from Apple.
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but like, what I gotta say to MKBHD?
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You know what I mean?
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What are you gonna say to him, right?
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Like, you know, this isn't one of those situations
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where like you could imagine maybe in the old days
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or at some point people would be like,
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"Oh, that's it, he's never gonna get
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"another one of these again."
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- Right, he gizmodoed it.
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- But he's MKBHD, so.
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This is a situation where they need him
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more than he needs them, so I would expect.
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- It's such an easy fix, just have a calendar named secrets
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and have that calendar turned off
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when you're videoing a phone.
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I bet that's what he does now.
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- I mean, I wouldn't be surprised if he did that before,
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but like something just got messed up.
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Because this stuff, this kind of thing
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has never happened before.
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And you know people are scrubbing through his videos
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all the time trying to find something, you know?
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- Oh, definitely.
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- Friend of the show, Jeremy Burge,
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the namesake of the Jeremy's,
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posted an image today of the MacBook Air page
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and showed a, took a screenshot
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of the USB-C to MagSafe cable that comes with the MacBook Air.
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Because we spoke about this before,
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but Apple has color-matched these MagSafe cables
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to the MacBook Air design that you get.
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But Jeremy was upset about the fact
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that the MagSafe connector is color-matched to the laptop,
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but the USB-C part that goes into the power brick is white.
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And I just wanted to know
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what the two of you thought about this.
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So I saw some people say, well, the power brick is white.
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But the rest of the cable is not.
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I know. I think it should be also midnight.
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Yeah, it should be.
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I think it should be.
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It feels like a leftover part and they just decided that it was fine to use it.
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It looks weird. I agree.
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Well, I mean, another example of this, I guess, is the IMAX cable, right?
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No, but the IMAX cable is white.
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So I'm sorry.
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The cable is yellow, but the connector is white.
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which is a similar thing but hmm Steven what do you think yeah I think so yeah
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I'm gonna take the opposite I think white is fine because the power brick is
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white mmm and it helps you you know easily identify which end is which and
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the dark or something okay so I need two things here that I want to question you
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about about what you just said right one that the only way you think you could
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identify these easily as the color of them even though they are significantly
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different shape and two you said the dark so how's that okay then my primary
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reason is really just to argue with you just for the second conversation that
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you know what perfectly fine this is as far as it goes for a primary reason it
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doesn't really bother me but also I'm playing ordering a silver one for a
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family member so it's not like there's a big contrast there what about for you
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you gonna go on? Well so it's coming to me I'm gonna review it and then you're
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gonna review a cable? Mary's gonna get an M2 Air and I'm buying her a laptop. Oh I thought you were just talking about the cable. Yeah hey look Federico was in the New York
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Times for a cleaning cloth I think I can review a cable. That was actually gonna
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be my next question if any of us were gonna buy a MacBook Air. Yes so our
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current laptop situation in my house is I have the 14 inch MacBook Pro which I
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absolutely adore. Mary has an M one air. And there is a 2018
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Intel air. So like the first retina one that the kids use for
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school and games and stuff. And that machine. It's still a good
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laptop, but it's got a really small SSD in it. And anytime
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they do anything remotely punishing to it, it gets really
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loud with the fan. And so my plan was to order an M2 Air that would be Mary's. I'm going
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to review it, give it to her, the kids can use her M1 Air and then I'm going to sell
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off that 2018 Intel Air for whatever I can get. Probably not very much because the Intel
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Mac market is in the toilet. But that's, that's my plan. So I get one in for review and then
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they'll, you know, cycle through the household.
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Nice. I want to go see him. I think I'm going to be really really really really tempted by this computer.
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And my kind of like how I think all my computer life is shaking out is starting to like settle
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a little bit and I think potentially this could be a part of that but I'm not 100% sure yet but I have
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some ideas I'm working on. Federico are you interested in the MacBook Air? No I think I'm
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I think we're fine with the MacBook Pro and yeah, yeah, I don't think I'm... yeah, I don't need it.
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I'm fine with the MacBook Pro. I'm fine with the iPad Pro. Silvia needs a MacBook Pro anyway.
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We'll see in the future, like maybe once I have my new office space set up, maybe down the road
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I could consider a desktop Mac again, but not at the moment anyway. Right. I imagine these are going
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to be difficult to come by especially if you do something that is custom ordered.
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So if you're in the market for one of these I would uh I would get get on it on Friday you know
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after I order mine so give me like five minutes so then you can order yours. This episode of
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Go to applehardwarecalendar.com.
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- It's a great URL.
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- Mm, it's a little dated.
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This is not the name of it this year.
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- Yeah, but it's still hardware though.
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You can't get away from that,
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no matter what you want to call it.
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- I mean, the calendar itself is hardware.
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- Yeah, well that's what I'm talking about,
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is the calendar, right?
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The calendar itself is, you know what I'm saying?
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I'm not talking about like the conception of a calendar.
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It's like the calendar itself.
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- I mean, what even is a calendar if you think about it?
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- Yeah, exactly.
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- Yeah, like what is time?
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I know Federico we need to like
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We need to appreciate big money Hackett making his return
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Oh big money Hackett over here. He launched a Kickstarter today with a $5,000 goal and he's passed
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$12,000 already Oh big money Hackett's back everyone
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Just in time for the summer
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When he gets his money trousers on
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Just in time to plan another vacation. And he's gonna build a second wing onto that
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pug cabin, you know? That's what he does.
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Congratulations, Stephen. Are you done mocking my hard work yet? Yep, done. We're done.
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Maybe. I can't guarantee it, actually. Yeah, so I'm back with the 2023 Apple
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history calendar. So if you backed this last year or you heard us talking
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about it. Last year, I made a wall calendar. The top half of the calendar is product photography
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of my own. And then the bottom half of the calendar instead of regular holidays that
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you know, people appreciate. This was for us Apple nerds. And last year, all the dates
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were dates in Apple's hardware history. So like the iBook came out this day or this is
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when AirPods Max were announced or this is when you know the HomePod was discontinued.
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Well for 2023, I focused on software so operating systems, first party titles from Apple over
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the years, a bunch of weird 90s stuff like I mentioned this elsewhere, but I think my
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favorite date in the calendar is sometime in the 90s Apple made this big press release
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about like we're going to support the IMAP standard for future email products like cool,
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glad we got that.
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Glad we got that
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understood and so the dates are all softer all the dates are new and
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I think if you enjoyed last year's you're gonna really enjoy this one too
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And if you missed out last year now is a great time. So
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The Kickstarter is up and running it runs through August 5th. So it's 30 days and
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You can get the calendar you can get a digital version where you can like
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Upload it to iCloud or Google and have all the dates you can get digital wallpapers of the images you can get stickers
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There's a whole bunch of stuff the digital calendar still makes me laugh because for me last year. It was like a ghost
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Because you asked me to install it to test it for you and I installed it
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But I didn't actually want that on my digital calendar
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I was gonna get the hard way like the actual physical calendar and for like three weeks
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It just kept enabling itself
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Like I would remove the calendar and it kept coming back
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And I would know it came back because all this stuff would get added to my calendar and I start getting
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Notifications of like oh, did you know that this was the day that the 20th anniversary Macintosh was released?
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It's like no, I don't want it. I don't get the calendars coming. That'll be fine for ya. It took a while to get that
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one of my favorite things over the last year, it really has brought me like
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Real happiness is I get tweets and stuff on the first of every month of people turning the page over
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So like on the campaign, I don't share all of the images and that is on purpose because my idea is you're gonna flip through this
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Calendar throughout the year and see a new image, you know every every month
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And I think that's I think that that slow exploration of it is a lot of fun and everyone synced up to which is cool
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Right, like everyone's experiencing at the same time
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Yeah, it's kind of a cool like community thing and and I know sometimes on your keyboard Club streams
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you've like turned the calendar on stream which is really cool. This is how it always happens because
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I always forget and then someone on stream says to me you haven't changed the calendar and then
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I go change the calendar and experience the image. That's great. That tends to be how it goes to me.
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I got like three days of the June image because I just wasn't here for all of June.
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Yeah. It's like oh look there it goes and it's gone again. Yeah this is awesome. I'm really pleased
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you're doing it again. I know that you were apprehensive because of the the hard work that
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that it was last time, but I know I'm really pleased
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that you're doing it again,
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'cause I think it's a great thing that exists.
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And I know that you've done a lot of work
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on making sure that the logistics are streamlined,
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which is also really good,
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'cause I know it kind of took over your life last year.
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- Yeah, the tiers are a little bit simpler.
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So like one thing that is lacking this year
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are the four by six prints.
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If you really want them, there'll be an opportunity
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to get them at the end of the campaign
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when I send out a survey via backer kit.
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But my impression talking to people,
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the photos were like the least popular item.
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And they were the most work to pack
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because of the way they came printed
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and I had to collate them all.
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And like, it was a lot of hands on time with that.
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And so it kind of made sense and wanting to simplify things
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and keep the costs or keep the prices the same.
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Actually, they're a little bit less than last year
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because the printing costs and the shipping costs
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have gone up.
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Like the calendars are way more to print this year.
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And I didn't want to pass that on or like make all the tiers more expensive.
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And so it kind of made sense to me and Myke, you and I talked a lot about this,
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about the four by six prints kind of being moved to like an optional thing at the end.
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So if you really want those, they will be available at the end of the campaign.
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And I'll share links about that, you know, as the time comes in early August.
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But I'm really excited about it.
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And I've been working on this since February
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in terms of the research and the photography and everything.
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And I'm really excited for people to get in their hands later this year.
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So I'd love it if you'd go check it out.
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It's better this time than when last time you had the idea in July,
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then launched the Kickstarter campaign and then did all the work.
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Right. So this time, way better way of doing it, you know?
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Yeah. Yeah. Last year, it was a really busy summer.
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And that led to some of the apprehension about doing it again.
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And so one of my things this year talking with the two of you
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and with John and with Mary and some other people like,
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how do I spread this out over the year where the day to day
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of impact is just a lot, a lot more manageable and like when fulfillment comes,
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this is going to be busy and I understand that.
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But part of it was I wanted to decide early in the year
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if I was going to do it again so I could start on the research
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because that is extremely time consuming and all the dates are selected.
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I actually just got it back last week from a fact checker, and we're going through and making sure everything's good.
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So it has been well underway, and I think it's going to be a real treat for those who back it.
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Awesome. Really, really happy, and I can't wait to see just how big this campaign goes.
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I hope that it smashes last year.
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Yep. So far, it's moving faster. So we'll see what happens.
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That makes sense though, because of the way that Kickstarter campaigns kind of start,
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when you've done it more than once, it may move more quickly.
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Because something that happened to many people I'm sure is, I got an email telling me that
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it had launched because I backed your last one.
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Right, from Kickstarter, not from me.
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From Kickstarter, yeah, they do that.
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Yeah, you sent me a screenshot and I was like, "Oh, look at that!"
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And so yeah, if you're repeating, thank you.
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And yeah, I'm really excited about it.
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I woke up this morning like itching to push the button.
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Yeah, I bet.
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Federico, I installed iOS 16 on my iPhone.
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I just pressed restart to install Beta 3 on my iPhone.
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So I'll see what happens when that comes up.
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And I'm going to expect that, Steven, I know you've done it too.
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Was it because I said I was doing it?
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Is that why you did it?
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Did I push you over the edge?
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No, I think we basically started it simultaneously.
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Like, "Oh, we're doing it."
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I wasn't going to do it when I was out of town last week.
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So yeah, I'm running it as well.
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And I think we got to talk about the lock screen, right?
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Because it's cool, but there's definitely some weird edges to it.
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Of course, this is all Beta 2 impressions.
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But there was a couple of things that I noticed and I wonder if you guys had the same kind
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of experiences.
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So one, at least in Beta 2, way harder to set your home screen wallpaper now.
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Like this seems like the system always wants to just like change both of them or like do
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it all together.
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So that was a bit weird.
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I expect that that's a bug though.
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Like it like you know you press a button to customize it just doesn't do anything.
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I ended up doing it like going around the system enough and I got it.
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One of the big things about the iOS 16 lock screen is the depth effects that it's doing.
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This is where if you put an image of a person it tucks the time behind their head or whatever.
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Now here's my issue with this.
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I had a nice picture of it and I put on the lock screen and the time went behind her head
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a little bit and it looked nice and very artistic.
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But then I wanted to put a complication on and it just put it on top of her forehead.
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And so it's like...
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That's where they go.
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But that doesn't make any sense to me to then like, you're like, you do the obscuring of
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the time, but then the complication bang on the head.
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But this is the biggest issue I have with the complications.
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You have that like that block underneath the time, right?
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Where you can put a few up there.
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But you can't choose where they go in that.
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So I put two on there and I wanted them to be like left aligned, but no it put one on
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the left and one on the right.
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Yeah you can change the order but the spacing is kind of like the iOS dock where it kind
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of just does what it wants to do.
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And I found that annoying because then I wanted to have the image and then have the complications
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on the left so none of the complications covered Adina's head.
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It just, I don't know, I just found it weird.
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I found it weird.
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What I will say in general though,
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I set it up with a different image in the end.
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I actually used the one that I used before,
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which is like a cartoon kind of thing that Adina drew.
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And when you have it set up with the little widgets
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and you customise the font and the colours and stuff,
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it just doesn't look like iOS anymore.
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Like, and I don't mean this in a bad way,
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but it's going to take some getting used to for me
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because the iOS lock screen,
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like the fundamentals of it have looked the same
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for a really, really long time, right?
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like the way the time looks and all that kind of stuff
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and just like what's there
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and then the notifications are there.
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It's gonna take some time to get used to, I think.
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I don't know if either of you two have felt that,
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that like it feels uncanny in a way.
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- It does, yeah.
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- Yeah, what I was struck with is how boring
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the iPad feels now.
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- 'Cause it's not there.
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And that's a bit frustrating.
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Now, if you use an iPad in a keyboard case
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Maybe you just don't see the lock screen very much, but I guess it's going to be next year.
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I don't think they're going to get to it this year,
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but I would like to see them do something with the iPad lock screen.
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For me, I think the where the the the.
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The iPhone lock screen falls down a bit, and this is purely because we're in
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we're in beta land is just that the the current complications
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that are available to you are very limited and including apples like
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Apple has some weather ones and they got some clock ones, but like very limited
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customization of those.
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And so I think that this will be a real opportunity for developers
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underscore to to really make this shine.
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And and that's what I'm excited to see.
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You know, once once those start rolling out later this year. But.
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Some of the fiddliness I think could be beta.
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One thing I don't really like is.
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the mechanism to like place the image on the lock screen, it's like pinch to zoom, but it's also like
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pinch to move. There's something really weird about the gestures they're using there. I can't quite
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figure out what it's trying to do. It's a little bit odd. Because you can't just like with one
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finger move it around. You have to like always be like pinching. I'm like yeah I know what you mean.
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I know what you mean. And there have been several times when I'm editing and then I'll scroll
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up from the bottom to like exit the edit mode.
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And it doesn't save the changes because to save the changes,
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you have to hit the done button.
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And I've done like four times because I just keep tinkering with it.
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And I'd like that mechanism to change.
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I think it's it's easy to accidentally like set it up perfectly
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and then you swipe away kind of naturally because what you do on the lock screen
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and then all your work just disappears.
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I do think that the whole system is
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takes a bit of time to get used to, especially with the font options and the colors and the fact that you can even access a color picker from the lock screen now.
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There's obviously, yeah, it's kind of strange. There's obviously like a ton of choice and they're going after the same sort of feeling, I think, that they successfully created with iOS 14, right?
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Total control of your home screen and now in this case, total control of your lock screen.
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I do find it hard to judge right now because of the lack of third-party widgets, obviously.
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And like, yeah, I'm using the clock widget to keep an eye on time zones, and I'm using the
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reminders widget to see a summary of my reminders on the lock screen, but I do feel like a lot of
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the value will have to wait for third-party apps to start offering widgets. And when that happens,
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I want to see how useful they will actually be for me, because I can imagine having a real-time
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timer widget will be super useful for me to keep an eye on my current timer if that will actually be
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real-time. So there's a performance consideration that needs to wait for when third parties actually
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get their hands on this. My only concern right now is that these are glanceable widgets, once again.
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These are meant to be glanceable, they're not interactive.
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The glanceable widgets on the home screen
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kinda got boring after a while for me.
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Now, on the lock screen, I think it makes more sense
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to have glanceable information there.
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Right now, what I'm really excited about
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is the live activities, like those interactive...
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Well, that's another discussion there,
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because they will be interactive for Apple apps,
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not for third-party developers.
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But even then, they'll have activities for...
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Yeah, they're still gonna be good.
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At least they will give them much more choice
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in terms of designing custom UIs and all that kind of stuff.
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But those are not coming with the launch of iOS 16 anyway.
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So those are coming later.
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Yeah, those are coming later.
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So we'll have to see, I wanna see like,
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I think I'm okay with these widgets
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being glanceable once again.
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If anything, they make more sense to be glanceable
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on the lock screen than the home screen.
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but I think we need to wait for third-party developers.
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- Yeah, there is a fundamental problem
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with the glanceability though,
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and I understand why they did it,
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but some of Apple's widgets or complications
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of the lock screen don't show the information
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until your phone sees your face.
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And so for instance, I have the one above the time
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that has the short date and the next calendar event,
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which I really, really like at the top of my lock screen.
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But if it's on my,
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So like I have a MagSafe charging thing on my desk
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and it's, you know, an arms reach away.
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I can see my phone screen,
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but because of the way the phone is, it can't see my face.
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So if I glance down and the screen happens to be on,
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it just says face too far away.
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And I understand why that is, it's like a privacy thing.
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So someone just picks up your phone and they're not you,
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it's not gonna show them your next calendar event.
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But that does introduce some friction
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to the glanceability, I think.
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and maybe there'll be a third party calendar widget
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that doesn't do that and I'll just switch to that
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'cause I don't have anything super sensitive.
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I'm not in the KBHD here leaking my calendar stuff.
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So that is a thing when you're setting this up.
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The other one I noticed was the activity room.
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- Well, you can't just change your settings, right?
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This is a settings thing.
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- It may be.
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- 'Cause mine doesn't do that.
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But when your phone is locked without face ID,
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does it obscure notifications?
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- I don't think so.
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I don't know, I need to look at that.
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It's installing Beta 3 right now.
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But the other one I noticed it on was Activity.
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And I noticed that one because the rings are grayed out
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and then I look at my phone and they like pop,
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you know, bright white or whatever the colors I'm using.
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And that was a little bit jarring.
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But overall, even in just a couple of days of using Beta 2,
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I really like this feature.
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And I think people are really gonna love the customization.
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And I expect that we'll see, you know, people,
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you know, third party developers
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really pushing what's possible.
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And one thing that I hadn't really,
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I don't think we talked about it,
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I haven't really heard much talk about it,
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is you can do your own,
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but Apple also has a lot of lock screen themes.
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And one that I think is really cool is the weather one.
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So it sets your wallpaper to like the current weather
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where you are.
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So I was playing with it last night and set that on.
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I was just looking at my phone,
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like a shooting star went across it.
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You know, like they're doing these things.
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I can't wait to see it when there's a, you know,
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if it ever rains here again.
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But there's, there's a, there's different ones you can do.
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There's one that's an emoji one where you can select
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multiple emoji and like the grid
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or like the style they're in.
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So Apple's done a lot of work on their own,
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which I think is really cool.
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And it, it, it makes me,
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it makes me so sad for the Apple watch.
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Like seeing what Apple can do here,
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like when they really put their full force behind it is like,
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why can't you do that more of this with Apple watch faces?
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Because they are very similar in terms of both technology
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and sort of like, it's the top most layer of interface.
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And this feels so vibrant and alive and exciting.
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And the Apple Watch just makes me sad with his watch faces.
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- That, you know what that says to me, right?
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Like it is the idea of these teams not working
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with each other is what that would appear to be to me.
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right? Like the lock screen team had this great idea about a weather lock screen
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which would also be a really good weather watch face but if those teams
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work together maybe they would make that together but then what ends up happening is
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like the Apple Watch team looks at it and goes that's a really great idea and then
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they'll put it in the next version of watchOS. Like you know I don't know
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that's the case but like it sometimes seems like that right? I know there are
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technical differences to like, the weather one may not be great for the
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watch for other reasons like refresh rate or battery life. There are different
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constraints on the watch. But holistically what we've gotten from the
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lock screen feels like a much more like thought through idea and set of features
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than what we get sometimes on the Apple Watch.
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I have some real-time follow-up on what is new in iPad OS 16 beta 3.
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I was just tweeting this a few minutes ago.
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So there's big changes to the multitasking menu in Beta 3 and some improvements to Stage Manager as well.
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So the multitasking menu on the iPad has been completely redesigned.
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It is no longer just a small pill-shaped sort of pop-up with icons.
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It is now a context menu with icons and text labels.
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So all the options have text labels now. You have Zoom, which basically fills, you know,
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basically makes the window bigger to fill the screen. It's called Zoom. You have Add Another Window.
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That's the plus button. And you have Minimize. Minimize basically
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removes the current window from the stage,
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from the current workspace, and puts it back in the recent apps on the left. But that's not all.
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They have a close button now.
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So that was actually my very first feedback
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that I filed a couple of weeks ago.
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For beta one, I believe,
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you now have a proper way to close windows
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from stage manager.
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And you can actually do it a couple of ways.
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You can use this close button,
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or you now have the same behavior as on Mac OS.
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Command + W now closes a window.
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- Oh, yes, that's what I wanted, the shortcut key.
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They even have a fancy animation, like a fancy 3D animation where the window flips on itself
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and it closes.
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So that's pretty cool.
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There are some other improvements to Stage Manager as well.
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Now if you hover with the pointer over a window, thumbnail on the left, sort of the other windows
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in the workspace, they sort of push to the right to show you the full tray on the left
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hover, and the window kind of like, it's like, "Oh yeah, let me make room for the apps on
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the left." So that's cool. And they have, and this is the big news, this is something
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that I was complaining about a couple of weeks ago, that weird window picker that they had
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before is gone. And I was sure that like, the way that you used to be able to see multiple
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Windows from the same app, it was a leftover from iOS 15. It was too strange. It took you
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to this very old iPadOS 13-like expose view. That's gone. Now, if you right-click on an
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icon in the dock, and you select "Show all windows", all the windows from the app will
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be displayed to you in Stage Manager. So on the left side, instead of seeing all your
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recent apps, you will see, for example, all your Safari windows. So it's much more integrated
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with the Stage Manager UI. They're basically getting rid of one extra UI that was there
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before. So now when you want to see all the windows from an app that supports multiple
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Now that integrates with the Stage Manager sort of tray on the left side of the screen.
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And I'm sure there will be a bunch of other things. Usually in Beta 3 that's when you have a bunch of changes.
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But I can tell you, Stephen, something that will make you really happy.
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Yeah, I just saw this.
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In Settings Reminders there's a new setting for you.
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you under badge count it says include due today they did it they did it they
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did it for you thank you you're changing I would just like to give real-time
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follow-up that I had nothing to do with but I just checked it they fixed the
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thing so you can now more easily independently change the home screen
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wallpaper they fit that was a bug they fixed it but that's just everybody take
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moment and thanks Stephen for for the matting the setting thank you Stephen
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yeah also thank you today if you're glad they did it go go buy a calendar so this
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setting Wow big money I got strikes again this setting is called it's called
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include due today include both overdue and due today items in badge count so
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now the badge will match the today smart list automatically if you turn this on
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on. That means that any tasks due today, regardless of time of day, will show up in the badge.
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This is exactly what I wanted. This is how every other task manager works, or at least
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they have an option for it. It was in a beta, I think last year for a little while then
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went away. I'm so glad that it's here. I hope that it sticks. This really honestly, like
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this was the last thing keeping me from using reminders full time. I use it actually quite
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a bit for like ephemeral stuff like hey like the other day johnny did something from me
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and i wasn't where i could do it i said hey remind me in one hour of this using siri and
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it put a link to that iMessage in reminders and reminded me an hour i love all the system
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integration stuff but the lack of a do badge based on the date was killing me um there's
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a blog post about it you can go read that i wrote at wdc so i'm super excited to see
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this. It's all coming up Hack It today.
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- So I had a realization for one of the new
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reminders features, specifically the ability
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to create templates that you can share with people, right?
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In iOS 16, I wanna hear what you guys think of this approach.
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So in iOS 16 reminders, you can now create
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reusable templates for checklists and you can create one,
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you can create a link and you can send the link
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somebody else, and somebody else can install that checklist, that template, on their reminders app.
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Now, one of the things you guys know about me, that other people in the audience also, I think,
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know about me, is that very often I get an email or I get a Twitter DM from someone who says, "Hey,
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I'm coming to Italy for my honeymoon, for a wedding, for vacation. Can you give me advice on
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places to stay, places to see, restaurants to eat, things to do.
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Like, I get these kinds of emails, especially in the summer, a lot.
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Like, a couple of emails a week, almost.
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So I thought, obviously, like, I'm sad because I cannot reply to everybody here.
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And also, it's a very, you know, that kind of email is a very long email to respond to,
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because like, where are you going? Are you coming to Rome? What's your budget? What kind of things
00:42:14
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are you into? But I had an idea. What if, to test this feature for my iOS 16 review, I finally sit
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down and I take a couple of hours and I just do it, and I create a reusable checklist in Reminders
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for all kinds of things you can do and see and restaurants to eat at in Rome. And I do that once
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and I set it up and then the next time somebody emails me and they're asking for advice on what to do in Rome
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I just send them to the link to that checklist in Reminders. The bonus there, like the advantage, is that Reminders
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I think is actually great for this because it supports image attachments,
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tasks so I could have like this list actually like nicely laid out with like map links and you have the preview or
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There could be photos like go here like there could be a bunch of information
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inside the individual reminders
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I think that's one way to test this feature and save time and make my readers happy
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Because now I can just reply to everybody and say here that's the link for you
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I have a question for you. That does sound really interesting. My question for you is
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can't you do this with maps? Like can't you create those like...
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Yes, I can, but maps is just maps. Like I cannot type anything.
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You can't say you need to go here because of this.
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Yeah, right. I see. I see. Yeah.
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That makes sense then because you said because you could include maps links, right? In the stuff.
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Yeah, I can include them or I can include links to websites or notes.
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for people. Like if you go to this place or they try to sell you on, I don't know,
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on like a special parking spot, don't, because it's a scam. Like those little
00:44:05
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bits of advice that you need to know when you visit Rome, you know, they try
00:44:09
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to upsell you on everything if you're a tourist. I can do that.
00:44:16
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And a question, I mean, again, probably everybody knows this by now by
00:44:21
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listening to the show. I've been looking, I just like open Twitter to see if
00:44:24
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if anyone was talking about it,
00:44:25
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but it doesn't seem like stage manager on any other iPads.
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I feel like this is the thing that I'm just gonna
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wanna keep checking in on until the final version,
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that they've not expanded stage manager
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for non M1 iPads, right?
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Doesn't seem like it's the case.
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- I am not seeing anything on that part of the world.
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- I figure we would have heard about it by now, right?
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Within like 15 minutes of the thing being released.
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- Yeah, yeah.
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- Right, it doesn't seem like it.
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But this is just something that like,
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it's an interesting thing to keep track of.
00:44:54
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We obviously spent a lot of time talking about it on this show, but I
00:44:56
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My thought was if they were gonna do it, they would probably do it now
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But it seems like they haven't
00:45:03
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Yeah, and seems like they're just not gonna do it
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It is quiz time, gentlemen.
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- Oh boy. - Oh no.
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- Oh no. - Quiz time.
00:46:46
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So over the last number of weeks,
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I've been requesting connected listeners
00:46:52
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to fill in a survey called,
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Do You Know the Passionate Ones?
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1200 connected listeners.
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- Oh my God.
00:47:00
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- Filled out the survey. - 1200?
00:47:03
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- To my questions,
00:47:04
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which was many more than I was expecting
00:47:08
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and has taken me a really long time.
00:47:11
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So I have round one of this quiz,
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five questions that we're gonna be going through today.
00:47:20
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This is a family feud,
00:47:23
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AKA family fortunes style quiz
00:47:28
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that we're gonna be doing here.
00:47:29
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Let me explain how this is gonna work.
00:47:32
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So I will be asking you the question
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that I asked the passionate ones.
00:47:39
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So for example, I may ask them,
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what is your favorite podcast?
00:47:44
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May have been, it wasn't,
00:47:45
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but this could have been one of the things in the quiz.
00:47:48
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And so then connected listeners, they answer that question.
00:47:52
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Your goal is to guess which is the top most answer
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that connected listeners would give to the question,
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what is your favorite podcast?
00:48:04
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I have taken the top five answers
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that you can score points for.
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When you say "your", who's the "you" in "your"?
00:48:12
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The listener.
00:48:14
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So the quiz is for listeners.
00:48:17
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Listeners answered with their answers to the questions that I gave.
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I think I gave 20.
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So we're trying to guess what we think our listeners say their favorite podcast is.
00:48:29
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Okay, so not what our favorite podcast is.
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Not what your favorite podcast is.
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the aggregate of these 1200 people that answered, what is the thing that they are most likely
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to have answered to the question, what is your favorite podcast? So you are trying to
00:48:44
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get in the mind of the listener. So for example, climb into the passionate ones. Exactly, you
00:48:51
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got to climb into the brains of the passionate ones. Kind of stretch out in there and see
00:48:55
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what's going on. Shake some trees, see what answers fall out. There are, now we're gonna,
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As you know, right so far, the score between the two of you is Steven has 12 points, Federico
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has 11 points.
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Now the scoring here is quite different.
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The top answer in any round, you will get 50 points.
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The second answer, 40 points.
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Third, 30 points.
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So this is if you...
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Okay, so again, this is complicated.
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We're gonna go through this, it's fine.
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I know that Steven's played this kind of game before Federico, I don't think you have.
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So we're going to walk through this together, there's no problem.
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There are five answers.
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I've taken the top five most given answers from the 1200 responses that I gave.
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And from five to one, they are given 50 points, 40 points, 30 points, 20 points, 10 points.
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You are each going to get three opportunities to make a guess.
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I'm going to say three, I might give you more.
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I'm going to see how it goes for the first round.
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We're working this out as we go along, right?
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Because there are five answers, there's two of you.
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So in theory, in three, if you had a clean round,
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one of you doesn't get that last pick,
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that might be how it goes.
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Or you might be so off base that we might want to do
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like four picks each, right?
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We're going to work that out as we go along.
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But there are many points on offer available here.
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But don't worry, we're probably going to do four rounds
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of this quiz in total.
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Because I have five questions for you today,
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with 20 in total. The game here is you are trying to anticipate what our audience may answer to a
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given question. Is that understood? Okay. Yes. Right. Well, you can feel free. Okay. Yes. Okay.
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Feel free to ask me questions as we go through. There are some qualifiers that I will need to
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give for some of the rounds and I'll explain those as we go. Now I'm going to do, uh, to try
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and decide who goes first, I'm going to do a coin flip and then it will go for the rest
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of the game in that order. Right? But actually I'll flip it each round is a better way to
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do it. So say like if Stephen picks first in the first round, Federico will pick first
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in the second round. Actually, again, we'll work this out. I'm going to let you guys choose
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here so I can either do it that way or I can do it that the person with the least amount
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points can score first in the next round which would you prefer?
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I like the chaos of the coin flip.
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Yeah, me too.
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So before each round we'll do a coin flip as to who will answer the question first.
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So one last time as a recap, this is what the game is.
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I will ask you a question.
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For example, what is your favorite podcast?
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You have to guess what do the connected listeners, what are they most likely to answer?
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are five potential answers that you can score points for. The top answer gets you 50 points,
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then 40, 30, 20, 10 for those five answers. We'll give you at least three guesses each,
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and then we'll move on to the next round. Are we all good?
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All right. So first off, it's time for a coin flip. I guess this is where we find out how
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well dice by pkalt works on the beta.
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who could dice?
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right, pdice.
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james seemed to have got in there real quick and he enabled the triple j mode.
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that was james that said heads.
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but i also didn't ask either of you to call so that was a terrible wasted coinflip.
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i was getting ready to say i wanted to know how far you were gonna go before realising
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I'm gonna say Steven is heads, Federico is tails.
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We're gonna go that way.
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Okay, we're gonna flip again.
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So, first question is, now just give me a minute before you answer.
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The first question is, to the passionate ones, what was your first Apple product?
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Now I got 1200 answers that were all written by hand to this answer.
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I love you Myke.
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I had to go through all of these.
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Thank you Myke.
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I can't imagine how many hours you spent doing this.
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The first five questions took two and a half hours to compile.
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And if there's a tie or there's something that comes up,
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I hope you remember how thankful I am to you.
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Yeah, yeah, sure.
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So to make this an answerable question, we are going for this question, for the answers are product classes.
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These are not model years, sizes, or variations within a model by processor.
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So for example, if Apple made a product called the MacBook Studio, that's all I want to know.
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I don't want to know 13 inch MacBook Studio, 16 inch MacBook Studio.
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I don't want to know 2020 retina MacBook Studio, right?
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I don't want any of that.
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This is just product names.
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So bear that in mind, right?
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That this could be spanning across gosh knows
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how many years I'm looking for a product class.
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Steven, you have the first guess too.
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What was your first Apple product?
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- See, this is really a question
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about the age of our audience more than anything else.
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I'm gonna say the iPod touch.
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Stephen, that is the third most popular answer
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for which you score 30 points.
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- Federico, Stephen said iPod touch.
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I am going to say
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MacBook Pro.
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- Federico, that answer is not in
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the top five answers given by connected listeners.
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- Wow. - Okay.
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- Off to a rough start.
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- I'm sorry about that.
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So Stephen, we're gonna go back around to you now.
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This is the question of what was the first Apple product
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from the connected listeners?
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What is your second guess?
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- MacBook Air.
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- Stephen, that is also not in the top five answers given.
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We got a bunch of Mac Pro listeners out here.
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So Federico, we're going to go through your second answer now.
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I'm torn between two.
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But I'm going to say...
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Federico, that is the fourth most popular answer.
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You get 20 points.
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okay okay so we've just iPod touch MacBook Pro MacBook Air iPhone have all
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been picked I'm gonna go iPod mini Stephen that is not on the list yeah it's
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not in the top five come on okay okay what I have learned now is the idea of
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of three rounds. No, we're just going to keep going for a while until we get through a bunch
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of them and then we go for a couple more rounds and if nobody answers, I'll cut you off.
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Okay. Okay. So worse than this than you thought we'd be is what you're saying.
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No, I'll actually tell you right now. This was the most surprising round I think for
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me. Okay. Okay. Okay. All right. I'm gonna go with iPod classic meaning like the standard
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Federica, iPod is the top answer. You get 50 points.
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So I did combine iPod, iPod Classic, Video iPod, that's just iPod, right?
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I just put those all in one thing, they're the iPod.
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I also included the many U2 iPods that were included in here.
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Just for fun.
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Wait, how many U2 iPods?
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There was a handful, but there really were.
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I can't believe that that was at least, I think, five people's first Apple product
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was the YouTube iPod to my memory.
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I want to meet those people.
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Just to give you, because I have this information, iPod was 22% of the overall answer.
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So Stephen, we're going back around to you now.
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Federico's in the lead with 70 points.
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I'm going to stay on this iPod train and say iPod Nano.
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Stephen, that is the second topmost answer, netting you 40 points.
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There is just one answer left on the board.
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Which can you repeat the order again?
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Top answer was iPod, then iPod Nano, iPod Touch, then iPhone.
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So number five is the one that is missing?
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Yeah, the 10 points.
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Interesting.
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- Okay. - It came to me.
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- It came to me. - I'm gonna go,
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I'm gonna trust my gut here and say iPad.
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- Federico, that is also not in the answers here.
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- Wow. - I'm going to give you both
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one more round.
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- Okay. - So you get one more pick
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each on this one.
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- Okay, I'm gonna pick MacBook.
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- Steven, that is not in the top five answers.
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- Okay, and I'm gonna pick iMac.
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- Federico, that is also not in the top five answers.
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Now, I will tell you why I gave you one more round each.
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I had to check the math on this about 20 times.
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The fifth most popular answer,
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garnering 10 points, was the Apple II.
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- Oh man. - Oh my.
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53 people said,
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a version of the Apple II was their first Apple beer.
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So we have children and really old people.
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That is all we have as our audience.
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You were one or the other.
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I love it. I love it.
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Isn't that bananas?
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Could you, if you have this available,
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could you round out the top 10?
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If you don't have it, that's fine.
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I can roughly give it to you.
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So iPod, iPod nano iPod touch iPhone.
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Apple to iPod shuffle iPod mini.
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And then I'm Mac.
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So it's a way down Mac powerbook after that.
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and also Macintosh Classic.
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OK, that is useful information to have.
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OK, it is. It's amazing to me.
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I mean, I remember during the iPod time, people say what the Halo effect like,
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that's the first Apple device that people get.
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Yeah. I mean, at least in our audience, that's 100 percent true.
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Right. Like the iPods dominate that list.
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And then the Apple, too.
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I can't believe that's the first computer.
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That's so good in the list.
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That's a good computer.
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Isn't that wild?
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And it's by a big number.
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The Apple II was 4.8%.
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The next Mac that shows up is the MacBook Pro,
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which I don't think-- I think I said that incorrectly.
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It was the MacBook Pro, not the Macintosh Classic, at 3.7%.
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So there was still quite a jump.
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I couldn't believe it.
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I was convinced that I'd done something wrong,
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because it just didn't make any sense to me.
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That divide--
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Like it's three iPods and iPhone in the Apple 2.
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- I love that so much.
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That's so good.
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- That's incredible.
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- So at the end of the first round,
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you were tied at 70 points each.
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I have goosebumps.
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- The next question is,
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what operating system did you use in your school years?
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- What do school years mean?
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- This was a question.
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So you remember I mentioned
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I was getting a lot of people asking for clarifying questions.
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Is it this one?
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This was what they were referring to.
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But my whole point is I just want you to answer that however, whatever you think that means.
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So that's part of the fun for me.
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That's the meta game.
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What do people think that means?
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Now again, like the last one, I'm looking for overall OS names.
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I'm not looking for years, variations of a name or unique names for OS versions.
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So okay, well, let's flip a coin and we can figure this out.
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I had a question, but I don't want to play my hand.
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Yeah, I think that's a good way to do it.
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This one was really hard for me to accurately say without giving it away, right?
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What the kind of answers will be.
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So Stephen's heads again, I'm going to say.
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And it goes to Stephen again.
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You can ask a clarifying question, I may or may not answer it.
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Is Mac OS X one entry or about 18 different entries?
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Yeah, like do we need to say leopards? No, I've combined them.
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Okay. Oh, so that's what I meant by variations. What's the question? What's the question again?
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What operating system did you use in your school years? And I got 28 answers.
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Okay. After the combining. So. Okay. That's so there's some BOS people in there probably.
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God bless them. Can't tell you yet. I'm gonna go with Mac OS X.
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That is the second highest answer. The combination name of Mac OS gone as Steven 40 points.
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I guess I'm gonna go with Windows. Windows is the top answer at 50 points. This was not a surprise
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to me, wait until you hear this, variations of Windows comprised 52.5% of the answers.
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Yeah, I was playing just the Apple game. Federico, you outsmarted me on that.
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Yeah, that was-
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Yeah, because we have the switchers, right? We have the switchers who said the first device
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was the iPod.
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And also, who had Mac OS at school? If you were answering this question of what was in
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I mean I did so but most people didn't that probably.
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So Federico is playing galaxy brain level and I'm over he's playing chess and I'm playing
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checkers is what I was going so far.
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So I go next.
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So is the question so I want to pick a mobile operating system.
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But have this audience to consider.
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I'm going to say iOS.
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iOS you say iOS.
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Stephen, iOS is not in the top five answers.
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- I'm gonna go...
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- Just do it, I know what you're gonna say.
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- No, I'm turning between two.
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The thing is, I don't know if Myke combined them.
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I'm gonna go with DOS.
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- The third most popular answer was DOS.
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Yes! Federico 30 points.
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Yeah, makes sense. Makes sense.
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Makes sense.
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That puts Federico at 150 points.
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So Steven, 110.
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So I need to really nail this one.
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There's a lot to play for. We've got three more rounds.
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Okay, okay. That one's a little better.
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Three more questions today.
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Android is not on the list, Steven.
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Back to Federico.
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I'm gonna go with... I'm assuming you combined all of them, so I'm gonna go with Linux.
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It is indeed the year of Linux, as Federico gets 20 points for the 4th mobile operating system.
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Why do you keep picking mobile operating systems?
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I don't know!
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Yeah, Steven, that was a really not good idea.
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I don't know why you went with Android after striking out iOS.
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There is one item left on the board here.
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I'm going to give you both one answer,
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and then I'm going to give you a clue.
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- After we give our answers? - For one more round.
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- Okay, okay.
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- Well, you're going to get one more round,
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you're going to get a clue if you get it,
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and then you get one more round each.
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- So we've picked Windows, Mac OS X.
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- Okay, you have picked Windows, Mac OS, DOS, and Linux.
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And iOS and Android, but they don't score.
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But they don't make it. I don't think it's web OS.
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What else is there on Windows mechanics?
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I mean there's weird stuff. I mean there's lots of weird OS's out there.
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This isn't the clue, but you're gonna have to get wit to get this.
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You know what? I'm gonna get weird.
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I'm going to say...
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This is either going to be brilliant or it's going to sound stupid as soon as I say it.
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But I'm going to say...
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And I'm going to go with...
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What's the name?
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You both just not let me out, tell him, right?
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No, we both put our answers down.
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Yeah, go Federico.
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I'm going to go with what's the name of the thing that you had to print on physical paper?
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-With the dots? -Like punch cards?
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Punch cards. I'm gonna go with punch cards.
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I have a-- Okay, so it's not OS/2.
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I'm gonna make a judgment call here.
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And I'm going to give this to Federico.
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-What? -It's Unix, isn't it?
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-It's Unix. No? -No.
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Because I combined a bunch of answers into what I'm calling "none".
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There was a large amount of our audience that gave some variation of there being no actual
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computer operating system that they used.
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Or like using Fortran or stuff like that.
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It was like slide rule, pen and paper.
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I had some punch cards in there and I combined these all into "none" for 10 points.
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And I'm going to say that Federico with the answer of punch cards would qualify to get
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in that none category.
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It's those Apple II people kicking around.
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What I was going to say to you is my clue was, consider the last answer of the last
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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So just to give you some extra, we had two people that said Unix.
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We had, it was 26 people that said none.
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Did OS/2 even make it on the list?
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12 people said iOS, 6 people said Chrome OS.
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Chrome OS. Oh, I should have thought of that.
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8 people said Amiga OS.
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Amiga OS, yes.
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We had 8 basic.
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Basic, okay.
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I think OS/2 is IBM mainframe OS, right?
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No, OS/2 was like a joint thing between Microsoft and IBM.
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Okay. Well, nobody gave me any version of that.
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What about BOS?
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BOS is not there.
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Oh that's sad.
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There was one person who said next step.
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I love you one person.
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Yep whoever that person is.
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If you're that person and you can prove it let me know maybe you'll get a treat in the
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Just let him know and he'll email you a link to the calendar and you can buy a calendar
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because that's...
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You have an exclusive opportunity.
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We have two questions down.
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The points are 180 to Federico, 110 to Steven.
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There's still a lot of points on the line.
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I'm gonna go into question three now and to for fairness sake I'm gonna flip the coin but this time
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Federico you're gonna be heads and Stephen's gonna be tails. And now it's gonna be tails for sure. Probably right?
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Heads! And there you go and you announced it for yourself too which is good news.
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The third question is what was your first iPhone? And the way that we're going to do this is
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model numbers are now in play, right?
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But no color or storage size variations.
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So remember our tier list, right?
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All of those iPhones from the tier list.
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So the plus and max are distinct from the regular sizes.
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- Okay, got it.
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- What was your first iPhone?
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Federico, we're gonna go over you for the first guess.
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- First iPhone.
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Original iPhone.
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- The original iPhone is in our top five list
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at number three, scoring Federico 30 points.
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I'm gonna say the iPhone 3G.
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- iPhone 3G is the top answer,
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Steven, takes 50 points.
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I felt good about that because it was the one that was had a much broader sales base
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that first iPhone was only in a few countries officially.
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So Stephen said 3G.
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I'm gonna go with 3GS.
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The iPhone 3GS is also on the list scoring Federico 20 points.
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It is the fourth highest answer.
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You are still missing the second and fifth highest answer.
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I'm thinking about the iPhone's life cycle.
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I'm thinking about when were the big ones, you know, now that we have the early ones
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out of the way.
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And the biggest sales cycle was the iPhone 6 and 6 Plus.
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So I'm going to say iPhone 6.
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The iPhone 6 is not in the top five answers.
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You get no points.
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I'm gonna go with iPhone 4.
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The iPhone 4 is the second highest answer.
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Netting 40 points for Federico.
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I want to just confirm something real quick because I've got a little lost in my scoring
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Federico, can you remind me the answers that you've given?
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original iPhone.
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- Then I said 3GS.
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- That was the one I needed to check, sorry.
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Yeah, original iPhone, iPhone 3GS, iPhone 4.
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Sorry, just 'cause it says iPhone, it just threw me off.
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Like it's hard to match.
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So yes, Steven, you got the top answer on iPhone 3G.
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iPhone 4 was the second highest answer.
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Federico got that.
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Third highest answer was iPhone.
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Federico got that.
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The fourth highest answer was iPhone 3GS.
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Federico got that.
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There is one answer left on the board.
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Stephen, we go back to you.
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- I'm gonna say,
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first iPhone.
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I'm gonna stay with my thought before
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and I'm gonna say the iPhone 6 Plus.
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- iPhone 6 Plus is not in the top five answers.
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- Oh man. - Okay.
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- Federico, back to you. - Okay.
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I'm gonna do it.
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Okay. I'm gonna go with iPhone 10. iPhone 10 is not in the top five answers. Wow. Okay.
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I'm gonna go iPhone 5. iPhone 5 is not in the answers. Alright. We're gonna get one
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Well, guess each.
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iPhone 4S is the fifth highest answer, netting another 10 points for Federico.
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So just to run those through again, iPhone 3G was top, then iPhone 4, then iPhone, then iPhone 3GS
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and iPhone 4S.
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Very, very succinct.
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So the first five iPhones is in a different order.
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or a bunch of early adopters.
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Can you round out the list?
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You know I can.
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So obviously we had iPhone 3G, iPhone, then iPhone 3G.
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Sorry, iPhone 4 is in there, whatever.
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After iPhone 4S, you've got iPhone 5, then iPhone 5S,
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iPhone 6S, iPhone 5C, then iPhone 7.
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- Yep, and then after the iPhone 7 is the iPhone SE.
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- So it's a bunch of phones in the beginning
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and then a bunch of lower cost phones.
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I guess that makes sense.
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- Yep. - Yeah.
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- iPhone 10 had six people.
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- Wow, six people.
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- iPhone 13 mini was one person,
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iPhone 11 Pro was one person.
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- All right.
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- It is interesting, like,
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basically from the iPhone 10 onwards,
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It's all single digit numbers.
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Yeah, I guess that makes sense with like the type of show we are and just what the
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iPhone has done, right?
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The big hockey stick growth is over for the phone.
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So as we finish the third question, Steven, you have 160 points.
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Federico, you have 280 points.
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Oh, 280 versus?
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Can you repeat that?
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That was a real rough round for Stephen there because Federico walked away with 100 points
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to Stephen's 50. But we're moving into another question. And this is, what operating system
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is the one that you use most today? And again, like the earlier operating system question,
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I'm looking for the overall OS name, not years, variations or unique names for OS versions.
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operating system is the one that you use most today.
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Let me get my P-Dice ready.
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Federico, your hands.
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- I'm hands, okay.
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- Joe, it says hands.
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- Thank you, Joe.
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So Federico, you have the first answer
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for what is the operating system you use most today?
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- I really think it comes down to two choices
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and it comes down to what you consider use.
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- Should of.
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- Use most today.
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I'm gonna say iOS.
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- iOS is the second highest answer.
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- Yeah, okay.
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- Of 40 points for Federico.
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- All right, makes sense.
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- Boy, I just,
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I'm gonna say Mac OS. Mac OS is the top answer of 50 points. Yeah, it was either gonna be
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Mac OS or iOS, right? Because what I use, like, do I see it on my computer, but also
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I use my phone a lot. So it was also, like, the next answers are interesting, I think.
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And also, like, I think the interpretation of the operating system. I think some people
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might not even think of it. 46% of people answered Mac OS and 35.9% of people was iOS.
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So we have the top two.
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Well, I'm going to say iPadOS.
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Do we have a bunch of people that follow in Federico's footsteps?
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It is the fourth highest answer, giving Federico 20 points.
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That was 6.5% of people.
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So we have the third and fifth highest answer left on the board.
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I'm gonna say Windows.
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Windows is the third highest answer for Steven, getting him 30 points.
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So we have just the final answer on the board.
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Federico, we go to you.
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I'm gonna get weird, I think.
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And I'm gonna say watchOS.
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Someone did answer this.
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I couldn't believe it.
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There was one person that said it.
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Obviously, this does not get you the fifth highest answer.
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Like Steven, I petition for this person to contact me
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because I need to understand you
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as a human being a little bit.
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(Steven laughing)
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Like, you have a phone and you just never use it?
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Very confusing.
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- You're Kyle's the Great, you're always using your watch.
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- Somebody answered watch OS.
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Stephen, fifth highest answer is still in play.
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- So we have Mac OS, iOS.
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- I'm going to say...
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See it's hard. I'm gonna say Android just due to its size.
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No. Android had ten answers. Ten people said Android.
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Does not put it on the list.
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I'm gonna give you one more guess each.
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Okay, let's say that there's a bunch of programmers in our audience
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I'm gonna say a variation of Linux
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Linux is the fifth highest answer netting Federico another 10 points
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So Linux was
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We also had Chrome OS.
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One person gave Chrome OS.
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There was one person who gave Watch OS
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10 people that gave iPad.
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There were only, uh...
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How many total?
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There were eight total operating systems
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that were given.
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So outside of the top five,
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which were Mac OS, iOS, Windows, iPad OS, and Linux,
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we then also had Android, Watch OS, and, uh, Chrome OS.
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At the end of that round, Federico has 350 points.
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Steven has 240 points.
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350 to 40. Okay.
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We have one last question for today.
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The question is, which computer do you use?
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Again, these are product classes, not model years, sizes, or variations of in a model,
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or by processor or anything like that.
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So similar to the way that we answered the first Apple product question.
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Yeah, but like, what is a computer?
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One person said that I deleted their answer.
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It's not a funny joke.
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You said it, Zach put it in the Discord, someone put it in the thing.
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And I don't know, I was like three quarters of the way through manually
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checking 1,200 responses and, you know, funny answers.
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I don't want them, you know?
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I don't want them.
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So that one just, boop, straight delete.
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Uh, Stephen you're gonna be heads.
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Oh, that one has a reflip.
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This is so creepy.
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James is so creepy.
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So Federico, you get the first ability to answer the question,
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"Which computer do you use?"
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use? Which computer do you use? Today or the most? No, just which computer do you use?
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Exactly, which computer do you use? And we want product classes, but not years. Not years,
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not models, I don't want sizes or anything like that. Alright, alright.
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MacBook Pro. 50 points, top answer goes to Federico. This surprised me.
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me because it was 48% and I just found that interesting that it was the top answer because
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I don't you know I again I think this is a disproportional audience right to the to what's
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actually out there in the world so.
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Stephen MacBook Air.
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MacBook Air is the second highest answer and that gets Stephen 40 points.
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iMac is the third highest answer.
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That gets Federico 30 points.
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Mac Mini is the second highest, uh, fourth highest answer, getting
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Steven 20 points. Can you see my sheet now?
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Are we doing an accidental screen share?
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You've just gone like boom boom boom boom through all of them.
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So there's one left on the board.
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- I'm torn between two.
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- There's only two left.
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- No, there's one left. - I guess that's not true.
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- There's one left.
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- There's at least two left. - There's one left.
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- No, I mean, in terms of options.
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- Oh. - I'm torn between
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two options.
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I'm gonna say iPad.
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- iPad is not the fifth highest answer.
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My thought is we have...
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Just to clarify, did you split between iPad and iPad Pro?
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Oh, damn it.
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I mean, I can't answer that question.
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I'll answer that question afterwards.
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I should have said that.
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I was thinking in the Mac line, we have Mac studio, Mac pro, maybe the Mac book left.
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We have the Apple two, I guess maybe those people are still hanging out, but, but the
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So Federico said iPad, right?
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I'm going to play dirty and say iPad pro Steven.
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That is not in the top five answers.
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- I don't know why you're laughing, iPad boy.
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- Yes, no, well, I'm happy because I tricked you
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into believing that you had an easy one on your plate.
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- Okay. - Okay.
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Then I'm gonna go with, again,
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slightly few developers in the audience, Mac Pro.
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- That is not the final answer.
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Hmm. Hmm. Huh. Okay. Interesting.
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What you got Steven?
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Mac Studio is not the final answer. You're gonna get one more guess each now.
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Yeah, I'm gonna just say a PC. A Windows PC.
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The answer is custom built PC.
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Federica will take the 10 points.
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So the top five answers were Macbook Pro, Macbook Air,
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iMac, Mac Mini, custom built PC.
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Going on from there, so custom built PC was 2%.
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There was also, we had, I said Mac Mini,
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Mac Studio came in just under the PC.
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iPad Pro was actually just over that.
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38 people used the iPad Pro.
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34 people use a Mac Studio.
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It was 43, who said some variation of a custom built PC.
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- That is close. - It was also 23 Dells,
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15 HPs, four Asus laptops, one Linux desktop,
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one Razer Blade, there was one Samsung Chromebook,
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11 people used the Surface, one person used the Pixelbook.
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Seven people were still holding on to the MacBook.
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- Yeah. - Nice.
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- Five on a MacBook. - Macbook.
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- 16 people used some version of a Lenovo ThinkPad.
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- Hey, if I were in Windows, I'd buy a ThinkPad.
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- There were nine iMac Pros still in use.
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I did count the iMac Pros separate to the iMac.
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I felt that was the right thing to do.
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- As a quick aside, I'm not sure there's a modern computer
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that makes me sadder than the iMac Pro
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because it was so good and now it's so gone.
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- Yeah, it was just one of them too.
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That's I think that's the saddest part,
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but I didn't even touch it.
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- One and done, baby.
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- So that is the end of round one of the connected quiz.
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The points stand thusly in this round,
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300 points to Steven, 440 points to Federico,
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So if we go over to the overall scoring now,
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Steven is at 312, Federico is at 451.
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- Okay, taking the lead baby.
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- There will be in the future,
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three more rounds of Do You Know The Passionate Ones.
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I cannot tell you when they will occur.
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- That is the end of my quiz for today.
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- All right, thank you, thank you, Myke.
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And thank you, passionate ones.
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Thank you for playing and passionate ones.
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Thank you for, uh, participating except the person who said, what's a computer.
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You do not get my thanks.
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Except that person.
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- So it's that time of year,
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which means that Federico Faticci is preparing
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and or working on the iOS review.
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So I wanted to kind of set the stage
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for connected listeners to kind of understand
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where you are right now.
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I'll tell you a few things I wanna know.
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I wanna know if you're continuing with Citian.
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I know you are struggling in the beta
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to actually get the thing to work.
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I want to know how you're feeling right now.
01:33:16
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And I also want to know if you're putting any kind of
01:33:21
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restrictions in place before you start the full writing.
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Like, are you limiting yourself in any way?
01:33:26
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These are some things I want to know.
01:33:30
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- Yeah, so I'm using Obsidian.
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I'm continuing to use Obsidian.
01:33:32
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I have tried to look elsewhere.
01:33:36
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And the short answer is that there's nothing else
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on the market right now that allows me to work
01:33:40
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as efficiently as Obsidian does.
01:33:43
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Just the things that I'm doing in terms of
01:33:46
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splitting my work between research,
01:33:48
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so notes, technical documentation,
01:33:52
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notes that I take during WWDC sessions,
01:33:55
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and in the same app, having the actual writing material
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for the chapters of the review.
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There's nothing else that lets me easily
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link back and forth and see backlinks.
01:34:07
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I mentioned this, I think, on App Stories and here before,
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but really seeing the backlinks for me
01:34:13
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possibly is even more important
01:34:15
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than just doing the internal linking.
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When I'm writing a chapter, being able to see,
01:34:22
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hey, you're writing the design chapter,
01:34:25
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this chapter is referenced in these other notes.
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Like, that is so valuable to me
01:34:31
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because it allows me to jump back and forth
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between the actual chapter that I will publish
01:34:37
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on the website and my private notes from either PDF documents that I saved from Apple's website
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or notes that I took during sessions. So having that two-way street between notes and the
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writing material is essential. And plus Obsidian lets me create my own plugins. And so I am
01:35:00
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I'm working once again after making last year a plugin to help me with the table of contents
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and markdown generation of the review.
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This year we're trying to make a plugin happen that will help me with screenshots, with image
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attachments.
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We're trying to speed up my work in terms of saving screenshots and turning those temporary
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screenshots into actual uploaded images on the Mac's source CDN. And Obsidian lets me
01:35:34
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do all this, right? So there's nothing else, even with the bugs that I've seen on iPad
01:35:38
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OS, actually I gotta check if Beta 3 fixes that, but I'm continuing to use that and I'm
01:35:44
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continuing to build on top of last year's system. If anything, I'm gonna make it better.
01:35:50
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Can I ask you a question about the screenshots thing? Because I want to see. Is it that like
01:35:54
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you can add the screenshots inline in the obsidian document and then they get uploaded in the background?
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What I want to do is I want to be able to add screenshots inline.
01:36:04
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And so when I say inline those will be local images, local in my file system.
01:36:11
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At some point, once I confirm that all those screenshots are okay to use for production,
01:36:19
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I will want a script that runs through an entire chapter and local image by local image
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turns each one into a public PNG link to the MacStory CDN.
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I used to do this manually one by one and I'm tired of doing that.
01:36:39
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So, but like in your Obsidian file, like you're writing and you just add an image and the image
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is you can see it.
01:36:46
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- Yes, I can see it.
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- And then you continue writing.
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And then the idea will be that like,
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it's doing them in the background.
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And I'm sure you then lay it out differently, right?
01:36:54
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Like using whatever it is that you do for your templates
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for the review itself.
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But the idea is it returns that link and just puts it there.
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So you can have everything visual,
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so you can be writing around the visuals.
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I can imagine, I can understand how that would
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not just speed up the process,
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but also just like make more sense visually to you
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as you're writing.
01:37:14
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- Yeah, exactly. - That's really cool, man.
01:37:16
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I can see why you like Obsidian.
01:37:18
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But speaking of that, you mentioned deadlines and you mentioned the special layouts.
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For reasons that will be clear soon enough, I think, time is very constrained for me this summer.
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And as it stands right now,
01:37:40
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I don't think I will have the time to give the review
01:37:43
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a special layout this year, unfortunately.
01:37:46
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My previous designer went to work at Apple.
01:37:49
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So obviously, they cannot work with them anymore.
01:37:52
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And I don't think, unfortunately,
01:37:55
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that given the things that we have going on at home
01:37:58
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right now, I don't think I will have the,
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not just the bandwidth,
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with, but like the actual time to deal with that.
01:38:06
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Speaking of that, the review will have,
01:38:13
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I sort of, I really wanted this to be true last year. If you remember, we,
01:38:19
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I said that the review was 30% shorter than the previous year.
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And I told you guys that the goal was to do that again.
01:38:27
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So another 30% shorter than the previous year.
01:38:32
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that will need to be true.
01:38:35
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It's just not that I want to.
01:38:37
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It'll have to be true,
01:38:38
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because otherwise the review's not gonna happen.
01:38:41
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Again, given the time constraints that I have,
01:38:43
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and it's all good things,
01:38:45
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we haven't shared them online yet.
01:38:48
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But given that I'm busy with the family,
01:38:50
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given that I'm busy at home,
01:38:52
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the review will need to be a shorter review,
01:38:55
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much more on the conversational side,
01:38:58
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much more on the perspective of the user
01:39:03
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rather than the developer.
01:39:05
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Obviously, you know me,
01:39:07
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I'm still gonna focus on the details,
01:39:09
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but I'm not gonna,
01:39:10
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again, we had this conversation last year.
01:39:13
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Most people don't care and don't enjoy
01:39:16
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reading about developer frameworks or APIs.
01:39:20
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- Hello, hello.
01:39:23
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- You know, you know.
01:39:25
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- So less B coverage this year.
01:39:27
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Yes, let's be coverage.
01:39:29
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So the review will have to be a shorter review
01:39:33
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that I will write in a more compressed environment,
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time-wise, I think later in the summer,
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once things settle down.
01:39:45
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- What does 30% shorter actually mean?
01:39:48
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Like in numbers, like what does that roughly mean?
01:39:51
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- I think we're talking something in the range
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of 30 to 40,000 words.
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to 30 to 35 would be excellent. Because realistically speaking, if I'm inspired, if I know what
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I'm doing, I can put together a 30,000 word story, which also is still a massive story,
01:40:11
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by the way. Like no one else is doing those kinds of reviews anymore. But it means that
01:40:19
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I will need to be smart about having separate articles during the summer on Mac Stories
01:40:27
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about features that I will not cover in my iOS review. And those that I will cover, I
01:40:34
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will need to... You know me, I like to talk, I like to write. If given the opportunity,
01:40:42
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I would just go on forever, you know? But that's not going to be possible this year.
01:40:48
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So I will, realistically speaking, I will start writing stuff very soon, even this week,
01:40:59
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and you're gonna start seeing articles, preview articles for separate features, standalone,
01:41:07
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like we do this every summer on Mac Stories, I guess starting at some point in July, and
01:41:14
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I think in August is when I will put in the majority of the work for the review.
01:41:21
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Again, not having the special design as much as it...
01:41:26
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Honestly, it sucks.
01:41:28
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You know, I'm just gonna say it sucks because I really care about this stuff.
01:41:32
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I guess if you...
01:41:34
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I don't know.
01:41:35
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It's the energy of finding a motion designer, finding a 3D artist.
01:41:43
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I just don't have the time. If you are one of those people, and you know what I'm talking
01:41:49
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about in terms of the iOS and iOS reviews that I do, get in touch with me, please. But
01:41:54
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it just, if I had to, if I have to seek out myself, someone, and spend time explaining
01:42:00
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what I'm looking for, I don't have the time for that. But I'm open, I'm open to emails,
01:42:05
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is what I'm saying.
01:42:06
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Yeah. If you've seen the kinds of intro animations that Federico's had before and you're like...
01:42:11
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- The special images, yeah.
01:42:13
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- And you're like, they're amazing,
01:42:15
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or I can do that, email them.
01:42:18
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- Yeah, or you can do better, or you can do better.
01:42:21
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Like, please get in touch.
01:42:23
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But at the moment, I don't have anybody.
01:42:25
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And I don't have time to go look for anybody myself.
01:42:28
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And yeah, so that's where I'm at right now.
01:42:32
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I know what the, I have the chapters,
01:42:35
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I know the structure of the review,
01:42:37
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I know which stories we're gonna have
01:42:38
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in the summer on the site.
01:42:40
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And it's just a matter of spending less time thinking about the work.
01:42:48
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Thankfully, I got Obsidian set up.
01:42:50
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This is also part of the reason why I don't want to use anything else.
01:42:53
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I have a system that I trust that lets me save time.
01:42:56
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I'm going to keep using that because I don't have time to switch.
01:42:59
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I don't have time to redo everything else.
01:43:01
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Also, I don't need to.
01:43:02
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It works well enough.
01:43:03
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And the rest of the review will keep building on top of the style
01:43:09
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that we, I almost think we collectively decided
01:43:14
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on the show last year that was better for everybody,
01:43:18
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better for me, better for the readers,
01:43:20
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which is detailed but approachable.
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That's what I'm going for.
01:43:26
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- More, it's more of a conversation than a lecture.
01:43:29
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- Yeah, also because like ultimately,
01:43:34
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I wanna make people happy, you know?
01:43:36
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I want to make myself happy with the work I produce,
01:43:39
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but I want to make people happy.
01:43:41
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Like I want to make something that is enjoyable.
01:43:43
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And that so striking that detailed,
01:43:47
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but approachable, friendly, and enjoyable is challenging,
01:43:51
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but I think I can make it happen
01:43:53
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and I will need to make it happen.
01:43:54
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So we'll see how it goes.
01:43:57
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- You got this.
01:43:58
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I'm looking forward to picking up with you in this
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in a few more weeks time,
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and we'll see where you go once the real down in the weeds.
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- I'm assuming like at this point you've been like watching
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videos, taking notes, some of that kind of stuff, right?
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Like that's kind of what you've been.
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- Yeah, yeah.
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And also like trying to use it,
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use iOS and iPadOS as much as for regular work.
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Like that's the most important part.
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Like just let me use it and then I will write.
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- All right, take us home, Steven.
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