406: The iPhone is Touching You Back
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Hello, and welcome to Connected, episode 406.
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It's made possible this week by our sponsors, Sourcegraph,
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Bombas, Indeed, and Ladder.
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My name is Stephen Hackett, and I have the pleasure of being joined by Myke Hurley.
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Why, hello there.
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Oh, and I am joined by Federico Vittucci.
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Hi, Federico.
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also here I forgot that I had to do the next bit you think I would have gotten
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used to this by now but I haven't I was waving at the wall as I said that hi
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hey big money hack it oh mm-hmm how's your kick start going it's good let me
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look we go to this Lincoln can you hear us over the sound of money $1,638 yeah
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yeah, yeah, yeah, 734 backers, three weeks to go.
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So yeah, till August 5th to go back it.
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And I'm on track for it to be bigger than last year,
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which is amazing.
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Bigger money hacking.
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Thank you to all 734 of you.
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But there's a lot more of you out there
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who haven't backed it yet.
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So go get on it.
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Steven is, Steven is inviting you
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to fund his Kickstarter campaign.
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Come with me on this journey of creation.
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I got an Instagram ad yesterday for something,
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I don't know what it was.
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I can't remember, but it said,
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"Such and such account invites you to follow them."
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And I was like, "Ooh."
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- My favorite, but also least favorite part of Instagram
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is when they do suggestions of people you should follow.
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And it's like, so and so, comma, whom you may know.
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It's like such a weird bit of copywriting.
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- Well, 'cause they're not sure, right?
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- They're Facebook, they're sure.
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- They think you might know.
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- They're sure.
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- Or maybe, yeah, they know.
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They just don't want you to know they know.
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They're like, "I don't know, maybe you met him sometime.
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I don't know, how could I know?
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I'm just Facebook.
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I don't know."
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That's how they go.
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- That's how they go.
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Public betas are out.
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Federico, y'all had a trio of stories over on Mac stories
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covering iOS and iPadOS, Mac OS Ventura, WatchOS 9.
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What is sort of your sense of the state of these betas
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and has there been anything surprising
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so far as more people have jumped on board?
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- Like I said in the story,
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I think things are pretty okay on the iPhone.
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On the iPhone side of things, widgets are,
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there aren't that many obviously in Apple's own apps,
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which is a bit surprising.
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I was kind of hoping Apple to, you know,
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I was kind of hoping to see them add more widgets
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for their own stuff, but they're working--
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- On the lock screen, do you mean?
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- On the lock screen, yes.
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Lock screen widgets.
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but they're working and the multiple wallpapers system is working.
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I think things are a bit more rough on the iPad with Stage Manager on iPadOS at the moment,
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like in terms of stability and performance.
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I still get daily soft reboots of the iPad, like it doesn't actually reboot, the springboard
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just crashes.
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like external display support is kind of unusable for me at the moment, in that whenever I try to
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do something with an application that has multiple windows open, usually one on the iPad,
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one on the external display, the thing just crashes. And I think last week I found a way
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to reliably and consistently crash the iPad when using an external display. So I guess my advice
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would be if you want to really try out Stage Manager, fine, but keep in mind that if this is
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your only iPad that you're also using for production work, it's not super stable right now.
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And you still have the occasional, or maybe not so occasional, weirdness with Stage Manager if you're
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using the kind of app like Obsidian, for example, that is not super native or doesn't really use
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all the latest and greatest iPadOS APIs, you may be in, not for a bad time, but for some
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adjustments like...
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You're in for a bad time.
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Like this is what happens.
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I was using Google Docs today with universal control.
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I was typing stuff into Google Docs on my iPad and the suggestions bar was floating
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halfway in the middle of the screen, like the little, like what do you call it, the
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quick type bar.
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I don't know if it has a different name now.
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And there was no keyboard that was just floating there.
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And then when I moved my keyboard,
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like kind of back to my Mac,
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I got just the top row of software keyboard popping up in,
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but only in the application.
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It wasn't like outside the application window.
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- It was just in the application.
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Yeah, I mean, yeah, why not, right?
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- I mean, type some numbers, kind of stuff like that.
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It's good for me.
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- Yeah, yeah.
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So that kind of stuff happens.
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Overall, though, I'm using it, and it's OK.
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It is making me faster, stage manager,
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I mean, as I wrote in the story.
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But yes, some apps are not that fun to use.
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Overall, I already have seen one example of a friend of mine
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who's not into usually tech stuff,
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But he saw the beta on my iPhone and he got really curious.
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And then I explained,
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I'm actually working on this article for Monday
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because like the public beta is coming out.
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And on Tuesday he showed me that he had the public beta
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up and running on his iPhone.
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And he said like,
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- You're an influencer.
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- I really want, well, that's the thing though.
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Like I think lock screens,
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like multiple lock screens with widgets,
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they're really gonna resonate with people.
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- It's good looking.
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- My eyes love how my lock screen looks.
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Like I got the time set up,
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like in I'm using the New York font.
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I think it just looks like so good.
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It just looks so good.
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I think you may have mentioned this in app stories
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I don't remember, but like, and I agree with you now,
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like I wasn't sure at first,
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but I think this is going to take off again.
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'Cause you can't, the widgets aren't the thing
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that's making the like aesthetics this time.
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It's actually what Apple's given.
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So like between the clock and the depth effects and the colors that you can put on things
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and like the kind of filters you can put on images and stuff, I think people are going
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to really, really dig it.
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And then they can also add a few little widgets.
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But like I don't, there isn't really as many options for the aesthetic stuff I feel like.
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Like you can't make widgets look a different color and stuff like that.
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But it's going to help.
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But I think that people are going to really dig it.
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I think it's going to be pretty popular again.
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Yeah, yeah, I agree.
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We're going to, later on in the episode,
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we're going to talk about some of our favorite features of
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iOS 16, just some little bits and bobs.
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But I did want to just touch on the fact that I think you are
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both running the watchOS beta, right?
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I don't know.
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General curiosity?
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What is it like?
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The beta is basically fine.
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I haven't had any real stability issues.
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I've only been running it a couple of days,
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so it's still early for me.
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The battery life definitely isn't amazing.
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I'm still making it through a day
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and I've got whatever the current big size watch is.
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44 millimeter?
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I forget the numbers.
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I have the 72 millimeter.
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Dinner plate on your wrist.
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You got an iPad on your wrist.
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Yeah, my watch says 45 on the back.
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I took it off to look.
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Okay, then that one.
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It says a lot of things.
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45 millimeter stainless steel and ceramic case,
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Sapphire crystal, GPS, LTE, WR-60M Apple Watch Series 7.
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This, I just read the whole thing to you.
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Oh, that's good.
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Do you remember that time when there was that
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like prototype that showed up on eBay
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and it had really weird letters on it
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and we made it the episode title?
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I do, that was good.
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I don't remember what it was, but yeah.
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So, but you're, why did you both do it?
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Like, it was just curiosity for you, Federico.
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Did you, was there any specific reason for you stealing?
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- Yeah, I take my job seriously.
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I want to see what the betas are doing.
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- That's unnecessary.
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- We're flexed.
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Do you consider the Apple Watch part of your job?
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Like, is that?
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- No, it's not.
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Yeah, I don't have an Alex to cover the Apple Watch for me,
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but yeah, I mean, I was curious as well.
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I also wanted to see what the, you know,
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They've changed some of the design stuff where like the notifications are like teeny tiny
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banners that come in from the top, which is super weird.
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I don't actually don't like it that much because I think they're easy to miss.
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That's the best part.
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Oh, interesting.
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So this is just when you're doing something on the watch, right?
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The little banners are small?
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I think it's anytime the screen is in the sort of awake mode.
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So like if you're doing something.
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We're like looking at.
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occlude what you're looking at, it's just kind of strange.
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But, and we'll talk about it in the next section by iOS 16,
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but it's the watch is sort of the part two
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of the medication feature and it's its own app on watchOS.
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And it's nice to have those reminders there.
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But, you know, it's not a huge change.
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I mean, watchOS has kind of been like the structure elements,
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you know, they've moved around so much in the beginning.
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Remember they had like glances in the beginning and then they had the doc.
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Oh my god, what were glances?
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What's a glances?
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Wasn't it glances?
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No, no, no, I remember the word.
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Oh, what were they?
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They came up from the bottom and...
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What are you talking about?
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By the way, it was 88XXBain.
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That was the...
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That's right.
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I found an article from 2015 about glances.
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Basically, it was like a scrolling horizontal list
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of kind of what the doc is now in watchOS,
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but a worse version of it 'cause it was early days.
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But over the last couple of years,
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they've settled down in terms of where things are.
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And other than like the medication app
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and the new notification style, it's pretty much what it was.
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- Man, this is, I don't remember this.
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No, me neither.
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I don't, I do not remember this feature,
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this glasses feature.
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It may have only been a year.
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I mean, it was, remember like the first couple of versions
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of watchOS, they were just moving stuff all around,
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trying to figure out what it was.
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The Siri, Siri watch face.
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Siri, exactly.
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Siri watch face.
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That's still a thing.
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I used that for a while.
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Yeah, still a thing, I used it for a while,
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but they don't do anything to it.
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Because I, there's a new watch face that I really want.
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it's called the Metropolitan watch face and so I've been like toying around
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putting the bater on my Apple watch just to try that watch face but like I don't
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know if I'm committed to this idea yet. I might give myself a treat to like to
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wait you know like I'll wait until September for a simple little treat.
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And I'm definitely still making it to the end of the day I mean it's not like it's 6 p.m.
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and my watch is entering low-power mode but I'm definitely before I was ending
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the day at 50% battery or something you know it may be 35% now or 40%
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now so it's definitely using a little more power that's very common on the
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betas the iPhone beta for me in particular has been pretty bad in terms
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of battery life but they always improve that as they go so I'm not I'm not
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worried about that long term I have one more question for you both have you
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tried the haptic keyboard yes I enabled it right away and I love it I enabled it
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it and I turned it off. No. Yeah, I don't know what it is. I just like, I tried it and
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then all of a sudden I was like I don't want to do this anymore. No, you gotta give in
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to it. Just let it be for a while and then you just get used to it. I'm gonna turn it
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back on again. It's like you're touching your iPhone to type and the iPhone is touching
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you back. That's not what I want from it. I mean I always like it on Android phones
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And I don't know why I turned it off.
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I'm going to turn it back on again then and I'll see how I feel.
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Where is it?
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It's in a weird part of the operating system.
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It's in sound and haptics.
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Yeah, it should be in keyboard.
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Keyboard feedback and then there's a toggle for haptic.
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All right, I'm going to try it.
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It's in like two levels of places you don't expect it to be.
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Just try for the weekend and see if it lasts.
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I'm going to try again.
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We can report back.
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So Federico, you guys have these, this trio of stories. Some point in the fall,
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you're going to have a set of reviews for reviews of these OSS.
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What's the relationship between like these public beta impression stories,
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which you have only been doing for a couple of years with the full review.
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Like, does this make the review process easier? Does it,
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do you feel like you're locked into something you said earlier?
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Like what's the relationship there?
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No, that's a good question. I think it's a way for me to start setting some themes, some concepts,
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and it actually makes the review easier, because then you have something that you already said,
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so you already have a discussion that's already been framed in a certain way. You can say,
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like, for example, "In July, I thought such and such, but turns out that I still agree with that,
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or that things have changed. Like you've already established a narrative and that makes it easier
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when you're starting a huge project. Like you're not starting completely blank, there's already
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something that you've already said, so you can start from that. And that makes it easier,
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at least for me. And also, technically speaking, it makes it easier because, and I've been doing
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this for, like you said, for a few years now, some of the things and like some of the sections
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will actually be reused in the review. This is something that I've done before.
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We had this conversation a few years ago, like, what's the point of rewriting the same thing over
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and over if you've actually already written the thing? So some sections will serve as sort of like
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the basic structure of a chapter of the review, for example, so I know that I can reuse, if not
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just the actual, like, the whole block of text, but if anything, like, the order of
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So I think over time what I'm realizing about me is that I work better under very intense pressure
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and super close deadlines, and that story went really well and people really liked it. So
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that's something that's different about me in 2022, I guess, than when I started Mac Stories.
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I used to hate deadlines and it took me like weeks and weeks to finish like even an app review
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But I'm not like that anymore. I prefer having the looming deadline, you know
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Over me. So yeah, that's something I learned I guess
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Well, you joke about it. Well, it may not be September 1st, but it's definitely gonna be August
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public betas and I wanted to dive in a little bit more to iOS 16. You know this
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is one of those years where I feel like the iPad is sort of taking a lot of the
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spotlight obviously with Stage Manager but there are a lot of cool things in
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iOS 16. We've talked a lot about the lock screen but I'd like to go a little bit
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a little bit past that and talk about some of the other things we're enjoying.
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I wanted to talk about the search screen. So there's a couple of things going on
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with the search screen that I enjoy this year. As well as it still being
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accessible via the pull down, there is also that button where they used to just
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be the little dots. There's now a search button. I like that they've put something
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in that space because it's been wasted space on the iPhone for
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years so if they're not gonna make it so you can put another row of app icons
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which is what I would prefer then then you may as well put something there so
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and I've actually been finding myself hitting the search button on the home
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screen as well as doing my kind of like instinctual pull down it's just fun to
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have but I like a few things about this screen I like it feels nice and fast
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which is good and it has some like genuinely good contextual stuff so right
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Right now on my search screen it says connected started at 5.30 and it has a button that says
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join connected and it says it will take me out to zoom.
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It knows it's a zoom call and it also says turn on do not disturb which I realise now
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I had not turned on do not disturb so the phone is good for me right.
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It's giving me information I want.
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It's showing me some like it had in the past has shown me recent conversions and stuff
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like that that I've got going on in there so I can convert some stuff and I had something
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pop up recently which I have my AirPods in and it said "usually at this time" and it
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was to resume in overcast.
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I feel like this is some stuff that's existed before but they have way nicer compressed
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it and I think are showing it to me in a way where I am for once which I feel like is quite
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rare thinking "oh this computer is quite smart, it does know what I want and it is giving
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what I should be doing in these moments.
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So I'm appreciating it for that.
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- Yeah, I'm really liking the new Spotlight as well.
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Like the faster access on the home screen is really nice.
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They've also fixed both on the iPhone and the iPad,
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the problem of running shortcuts from Spotlight.
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At least I think they fixed it.
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So it used to be that either Spotlight was super slow
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in finding your shortcuts, or it couldn't find them at all.
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Like, sometimes, actually so many times, it happened to me in iOS and iPadOS 15,
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that I typed the exact name of a shortcut in my library,
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and Spotlight just couldn't find it, like, at all.
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Now, it finds the thing I'm looking for.
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I think they're doing something to rank those shortcuts
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based on how many times you run a specific one,
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if there's multiple matches for your search,
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but I'm not 100% sure on this one.
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But still, what's nice about this is the combination of
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reliably and quickly finding your shortcuts,
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but also when you run those shortcuts,
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they're so much faster than before.
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Oh, I love that.
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I love how fast that is now.
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Shortcuts are so much faster,
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but when you combine that with Spotlight,
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and especially on iPad or on the iPhone,
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as you mentioned from the home screen,
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you just swipe down, type, run, done,
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and you're like, you're out of it in four seconds?
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That's so well done. It's very nice.
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Yeah, I'm really liking that.
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I do have a weird thing.
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You know, it's all this strange stuff in betas.
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For the last week on my screen here, it just says "Slate Gray".
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Did you search for "Slate Gray" at some point?
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No. I'm sending you both a screenshot.
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It's there right now. This screenshot I took a couple of days ago is still there.
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"Slate Gray".
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just says slate gray and then underneath says slate gray and it has a little box
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next to it that I guess is slate gray but I tap it and I can't do anything
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that's weird I'm sorry really strange it is strange I searched for the ecobee app
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a few nights ago on mine and it is like stuck as the only suggestion in this
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screen it's like every time I pull it down it wants me to open the ecobee app
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It's very excited about being in there.
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- Slate gray.
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- Slate gray.
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- Slate gray.
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- Overall, I like this.
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And I think you're right, Myke.
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They have tried this over the years.
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I mean, there's been some weird ideas around this.
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Like, do you guys remember probably iOS 8 or 9 or 10,
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sometime in there, they would put app icons,
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like where the flashlight is,
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on the iPhone 10 class of phones.
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It's like you would go into Starbucks
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and like the Starbucks icon would just appear
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on your lock screen in the bottom corner.
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and lots of weird ideas around surfacing things
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in different areas of the OS.
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And I really think this is the best place for those things.
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And I think this is some of the best stuff they've done
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where, you know, Myke, you brought up the example
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of like join the connected call, go and do not disturb.
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I've had very similar things suggested to me
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that exactly what I wanted to do,
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exactly when I wanted to do them.
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And I don't ever really remember being impressed
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with this stuff from Apple in the past,
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but it really feels like whatever they've done this year
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to improve this stuff, I feel like it's gotten
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way, way smarter and way better.
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- Yeah, I'm very happy.
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- It's still hit or miss for me for some things,
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like a good example that I saved
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because I wanted to remember this.
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So on the new lock screen, the system suggests,
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rightfully so, a lot of photos featuring Sylvia, right?
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Because the system guesses that, you know,
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This person is in thousands of photos over the years,
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and you're always together, so I'm
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going to assume that you want to see this person
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in your wallpaper suggestions.
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But how can the same system that makes that suggestion,
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therefore sort of infers maybe that this person also
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associated with this contact, you
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talk to this person on iMessage, and you live together.
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How can the same system also suggest--
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and I saw this a few days ago, for Sylvia's birthday,
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that I make a phone call to her to wish her happy birthday.
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- Yes, okay.
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- Like, why?
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You make really clever suggestions on one side,
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and then like, what, you think this is like my grandma
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or something, that I'm gonna make a phone call to her?
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Like, "Hey, I saw that it's your birthday, happy birthday."
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That doesn't make any sense.
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And the suggestion said, "As found in your contacts,
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"call Sylvia to wish her happy birthday."
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- Which is a good feature, I guess, right?
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To surface that stuff.
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But then also, like, understand me.
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Do I ever make phone calls, iPhone?
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You're the phone.
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Do I ever use the phone app?
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No, no, right?
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Like, maybe send an iMessage to Sylvia
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and wish her happy birthday.
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You know, we could try that.
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But no, yeah, I know what you mean.
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Some of that stuff is like...
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The problem with all of these things is when the device is always trying to seem like it's so smart
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and then it gets things so wrong, you know?
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Like, I always find that to be such a funny thing and it makes it more glaring when it does get wrong.
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But anyway, slight gray.
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Something I like, the new medication tracking in the Health app.
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This is something that has allowed me to stop using for tracking medications
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the Dew app, because it's so much nicer.
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You can set it up in Health.
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There's also a standalone watch app for medications.
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But what is cool is that you can basically search on the iPhone.
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You go into the medications section of the Health
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app on your iPhone, and you search
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for a specific medication.
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You can search now.
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OK, this is necessary context.
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I'm using my iPhone with the US region,
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so I'm assuming that the results I got
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for medications I never heard of
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were based on the region in my settings,
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but I just searched for a regular like vitamins
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and I got the generic result.
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But I think based on Alex's overview on Mac stories,
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I think the idea is that by searching
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for the specific medication by brand,
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you can make sure that there are no weird interactions
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between the medications you're taking
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and for example, things like alcohol intake,
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also tracting health.
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Like I think that's the idea,
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but yeah, it wasn't finding Italian medications for me.
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What I like is, so the watch app, which I mentioned,
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you can log medications and stake in on the watch,
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but there's also the notifications on your iPhone
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And, you know, those are rich notifications with a little preview and the actionable buttons
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like "log is taken".
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You get the little icons and stuff.
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And you get the little icons and you can choose the little shapes and colors of the medications.
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There's some medication shapes in here that I didn't know existed.
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Like here's a heart with a line in the middle.
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As medication if you have a heartbreak.
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- Yeah, it is a really nice feature.
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You can customize a bunch of it.
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You can export a PDF out of health
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with your current medications and it has your name
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and date of birth and stuff at the top.
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You know, a lot of times as you go visit a doctor,
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you've got to provide this.
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I would like a little more control over the reminder of it.
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So if you get a notification,
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then you can log the medication as taken or skipped,
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and then it records the time of that into health.
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So if I go back yesterday,
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I can see exactly what time I took medication.
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The only way to snooze it though,
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is to say, remind me in 10 minutes.
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And I like a lot of other people,
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including you Federico,
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am coming from Do, D-U-E,
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which is this reminders app that its whole thing
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is reminding you constantly until you do something.
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And so I had my medications in there and I said,
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hey, if I don't respond to this notification,
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send me another one in 15 minutes.
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And I would like a little more insistence from the medications app until I interact
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I mean, I have them set as the time sensitive notifications, but I would like even more
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presence because I have a bunch of other notifications, the medication will kind of get lost.
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I would like something a little more in my face about reminding me.
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But all in all, I think the features great.
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I love the way you can customize how they look.
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and you can set the background color
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so you can very quickly at a glance see what's going on.
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And then in watchOS 9, it is its own application,
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which is something we've seen
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between iOS and watchOS in the past
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where a sort of big iOS app may get broken down
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into several smaller watchOS apps.
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Like if you look on your watch, there's like find items,
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find people, find devices.
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Like it's kind of funny they broke Find My into three,
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but I think it makes a lot of sense.
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And I don't know, you know, what all went into this
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to get it over the finish line,
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but I'm really glad it's here
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'cause it was a big oversight in the health app.
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It seemed like such an obvious thing they should have added.
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And I think all in all, they did a pretty good job of it.
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- It's interesting 'cause I don't have the ability
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to search for medication.
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I have to just manually enter all the information in.
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There's no searching for me.
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I guess they have this as a US only.
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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
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So I can add all the information in manually,
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but I have to add it all in myself.
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So I'm not going to get those, like these medicines clash
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or anything like that.
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And also it's just like, everything's manual.
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I have to add in the, like the strength of the medication
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all that kind of stuff.
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Make sure you don't accidentally add the US medications
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otherwise they're going to charge you.
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- Microtransactions in health for American users.
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- Sign you up for a subscription plan to your pills.
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- They are honestly, how far are Apple away from doing that?
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You know what I'm saying?
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- How far away are they from doing that?
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- As soon as I said, I was like,
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oh, I just made a really funny joke,
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but then reality hit me and I realized,
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I can actually sort of see that.
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So yeah, anyway.
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- I wanna talk about the now playing screen.
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They have the new full screen now playing,
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is what I'm talking about.
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So on the lock screen, now when you're playing audio,
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it takes over your entire lock screen.
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The artwork is full and large.
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It slides under the clock, of course,
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and changes the color of the backgrounds.
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I actually really like this feature.
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I expect it's going to be pretty divisive,
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and I think Apple knew that.
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It's very easy to get rid of it.
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In case you don't know, by the way, if you just tap the artwork when you're on the lock
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screen, it shrinks and then you can tap it and it's in the little live activity and it
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will come back and fill up the lock screen again.
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I think that's kind of cool.
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I think that it does, what I like about it most is how good a job it's doing of showing
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content from Overcursed for me.
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So I'm getting the artwork, I get chapter artwork.
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So if there's a chapter that I'm listening to, has specific artwork, that changes and
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And so I see the chapter artwork large, which is great because it's bigger than anywhere
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else you would see it really, which is kind of fun.
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And also it shows chapter names in the live activity.
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So I think all of that is like really good.
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I don't know what they're doing or like how it's being displayed to the system that it's
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working so well with third party apps that I don't think have done anything to like be
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specific about it.
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I don't think.
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Um, so yeah, I just thought it was really good.
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I just liked the design too.
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I just think it looks really, really nice.
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And they they get rid of your lock screen wallpaper and they replace it with like a
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smeary color thing based on the color of the artwork.
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So if I'm listening to app stories, it's like blue and purple.
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But if I'm listening to you know, the pen act, it's like warmer colors to match that
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it is it is really nicely done.
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I tend to be using it small and not like the full screen.
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But it is nice that it's just a tap away.
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I mean, when you use mic you shared a screenshot of this a few days ago saying how much you
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liked this and I was like wait how do you do that I was like digging through
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settings and you like no no just tap the artwork and it goes in between that's
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uh that's pretty sweet mm-hmm I like it I think it's I think it's really good I
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think why not just do something with it but yeah I also just in general like
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just seeing that and the clock live activity I'm getting like pretty excited
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for that like whenever that will come you know you get like delivery stuff and
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all those kinds of things like I don't want six notifications for one thing
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anymore so I'm excited about that. Have y'all come across the new timer UI on the
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lock screen? Yes. The live activity. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's it's pretty sweet. I like
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that it's orange which is fun. In an earlier beta there was this really
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dramatic transition every time a second counted down on the timer. Oh did I get rid of that?
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Yes. It was good because... It's much calmer now. It was like the numbers would kind of get
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all blurry as it went from one to the other.
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It was weird.
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But the issue was the animation was getting cut
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into a square, even though it wasn't a square shape.
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So like it would transition and it would like try
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and like make this like poof kind of thing around it.
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But then it would like hit this wall
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and the animation would end.
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It was weird.
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So it looked terrible.
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It was very funny.
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It's way, way better now.
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All in all, I think this new style,
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this new live activity style,
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seeing what Apple's done with it,
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I'm with you, Myke, definitely makes me excited about what this is going to be
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like once third parties can do it.
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And that's not at launch that Apple said that's coming in a later version of Iowa
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16. So that's not going to be, you know, in Federico's initial review probably,
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but when it shows up,
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I think it's going to only do more to make the lock screen not only more useful,
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but like more tidy as well.
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One thing I had to miss until I heard Federico heard you talk about on app
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stories is that you can condense your notifications
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to basically a bulleted list.
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Can you explain this?
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- Yeah, so that's the new compact mode for notifications.
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So by default notifications now sort of rolling
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from the bottom of the display,
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they don't just come up in the middle of the lock screen
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and that's because they wanna free up some space
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for you to see widgets on your wallpaper, makes sense.
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But also, if you want, you can minimize the notifications
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at the bottom, and you can do that by swiping them down
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on the lock screen, and they become like this little badge
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at the bottom, basically that right now, for example,
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for me, it says two notifications.
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And you can tap that, and it'll show you
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your notifications again.
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And if you don't wanna see them again,
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you just swipe them down and they minimize.
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I believe there's also a setting.
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There's a setting to do this.
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So if you go into Notifications, Display As, Count.
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It's called a Count Mode.
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So you have Count, Stack, and List
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as the new three display settings for notifications
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by default. And it says, pinch the notifications list
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on the lock screen to change layouts in context.
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So you can also pinch, I suppose.
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Yeah, and it works.
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It's kind of weird to do on your iPhone with two hands,
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but you can also pinch.
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My theory is that this count mode
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will be the default for the always-on lock screen
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on the iPhone.
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My theory is that on the iPhone 14 Pro,
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with the always-on lock screen, you
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will see the time, your widgets, and the count
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for the notifications.
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Because that's just the bare minimum amount of stuff
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you can probably see in always-on lock screen mode.
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I'm going to try this.
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But when you pull up, they just show up as normal, right?
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In Notification Center?
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When you pull up, Notification Center is unchanged,
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still looks the same.
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This is just for new notifications, right?
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And there's also the distinction that needs to be made
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between regular new notifications
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and what are they called, persistent notifications,
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those that won't go away, like reminders, for example,
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if you're set to have persistent banners,
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those will not go away, they will stay pinned
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on the lock screen, just like the medication reminders.
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They are persistent notifications, so they stare
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sort of there, anchored at the bottom of the screen.
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But yeah, you have three new modes.
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And I like the count one,
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because then I just see the wallpaper.
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count notifications. It's like Count Dracula.
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- He like sneaks in and he's like,
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you have two notifications, like that.
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That's count notification.
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- Your mom is trying to read you.
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- Have you ever seen the joke in the shortcuts app
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for the count action?
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- I don't think so.
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- Open shortcuts, create a new shortcut
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and search for the action called count.
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Okay, shortcuts, new shortcut, search count.
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- Check out the description for that action.
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- This is just like the count in "Sesame Street,"
00:38:43
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but instead of a vampire, it's a shortcuts action.
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That's cute.
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That's good.
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That's cute.
00:38:50
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- It's a nice Easter egg.
00:38:53
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- This episode of Connected is made possible by Bombas.
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Bombas' mission is really simple.
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They wanna make the most comfortable clothes ever
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and match every item sold with an equal item donated.
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So when you buy Bombas,
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you're also giving to someone in need.
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Bombas designs everything they make,
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socks, shirts, underwear,
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all to be the clothes you can't wait to put on every day.
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Everything they make is soft, seamless, tagless,
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and has a cozy feel.
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There's a pair of Bombas socks for everything you do.
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They come in tons of options,
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like comfy performance styles made with sweat-wicking yarns,
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which mean your feet stay cool
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while the rest of you works up a sweat.
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And their no-show socks are designed for comfort
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while being specifically engineered to never fall down.
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So let your ankles be free to soak up that sunlight.
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Bombas T-shirts are made with thoughtful design features
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like invisible seams, soft fabrics, and the perfect weight
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so they hang just right.
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Bombas underwear is breathable, fits well,
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and has a barely-there feel
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that might make you forget they're even there,
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but in a good way.
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This is really cool.
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You talked about how Bombas wants to help those in need.
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Socks, underwear, and t-shirts
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are the three most requested clothing items
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at homeless shelters.
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So Bombas donates one for every item you buy.
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And so far, Bombas customers like me and you
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have helped donate over 50 million items
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of essential clothing.
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That is awesome.
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That's B-O-M-B-A-S dot com slash connected for 20% off.
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Our thanks to Bombas for the comfy socks,
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their support of the show, and all of Relay FM.
00:40:41
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- So as we're recording this, tomorrow, the MacBook Air,
00:40:45
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the M2 MacBook Air, goes on sale.
00:40:48
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Be available for people, some people who preordered,
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five people who preordered.
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We'll get them tomorrow.
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It's like a golden ticket kind of situation.
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Tim Cook brings it directly to your house.
00:41:00
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Federico will notice, like with the Gabe Newell deliveries
00:41:02
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with the Steam Deck, that's what's gonna happen
00:41:04
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for all MacBook Air deliveries tomorrow.
00:41:06
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Steven, do you know what I'm talking about?
00:41:11
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- So do you know who Gabe Newell is?
00:41:14
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- So he kind of created, well, he's like the head of Valve
00:41:17
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and Steam and stuff.
00:41:18
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I walked past him once in a hallway.
00:41:19
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We spoke about that once.
00:41:21
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So imagine he's like, well, you don't have to imagine.
00:41:24
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He's like the CEO of Valve and Steam.
00:41:27
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You know what that is, right?
00:41:28
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- Yes, of course, yeah.
00:41:30
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- There was a selection of Steam Deck orders
00:41:31
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that he delivered personally in a truck
00:41:34
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and they made a video about it.
00:41:36
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And what's great about the video is most of the people
00:41:38
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did not know who he was.
00:41:40
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- That's awesome.
00:41:41
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- And it was just very funny.
00:41:42
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It was very funny.
00:41:43
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So that's gonna happen with all the MacBook Air, all this.
00:41:49
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- Wait, who at Apple is gonna deliver them
00:41:50
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that people don't know?
00:41:53
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- But people know Tim Cook.
00:41:54
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- Maybe not everyone.
00:41:55
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- It's Jeff Williams.
00:41:57
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- Yes, Jeff Williams or John Turness.
00:42:02
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I'd accept a delivery from John Turness.
00:42:04
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- Hey, you would.
00:42:05
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Anyway, the design, people like the design,
00:42:11
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reviews are out now.
00:42:12
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People like the design, obviously.
00:42:14
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And I, seeing it now in video,
00:42:17
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watched a couple of videos today,
00:42:19
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I'm very excited to see one of these computers.
00:42:22
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They look so good.
00:42:23
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it looks so, so good.
00:42:24
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Being just like no more wedge anything anymore,
00:42:27
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just like a really thin MacBook Pro, I like it.
00:42:32
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- Yeah, the machines are definitely cut
00:42:33
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from the same cloth.
00:42:35
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Evans Hankey and some others did this interview
00:42:37
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with GQ in the UK about it.
00:42:40
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And there's not a lot of great new information in that,
00:42:43
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but they talk about how they developed these machines
00:42:45
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at the same time.
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And if you watch the videos, I've watched a bunch of them,
00:42:51
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but I don't think any of them really capture
00:42:53
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like how much it in person looks and feels
00:42:56
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like a squished down MacBook Pro.
00:43:00
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Oh, here he goes again Federico.
00:43:03
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He's like, oh, I've seen it.
00:43:05
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I've touched it, you know?
00:43:07
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Here he goes.
00:43:09
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Thanks Steven, yeah.
00:43:10
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I've forgotten about that for a little while.
00:43:12
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There was this really cool hands-on
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at the Steve Jobs Theater
00:43:14
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that a bunch of us got to go to.
00:43:15
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Oh, was there?
00:43:16
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Oh yeah, where was I?
00:43:17
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Thank you for reminding us.
00:43:18
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Yeah, you were--
00:43:19
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Where was I?
00:43:19
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watching TV or something.
00:43:21
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I must have gotten lost that day.
00:43:23
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There's a couple of quotes that I like from that interview
00:43:26
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that Evan Tanki gave.
00:43:27
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Evan Tanki is like, they are in charge of industrial design.
00:43:31
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They're one of the two people that took over
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Johnny Ives' role when Johnny-- who is now completely gone 100%
00:43:39
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see you later.
00:43:40
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They canceled the thing we've loved from,
00:43:42
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which probably never existed, really.
00:43:44
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Anyway, Evan Tanki says, we don't really
00:43:46
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have to play any kind of games of shape or form to make it look thin and I think
00:43:51
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that's one of the most lovely and remarkable things it's quite honest and
00:43:55
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simple I appreciate that like this that's talking about the wedge right
00:43:58
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like the old wedge used to make the MacBook Air look thinner than it was
00:44:02
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because it was super thin on one side it's like teardrop design kind of thing
00:44:05
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I don't have to do that anymore they could just make a thin laptop and then
00:44:09
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speaking to what Stephen just said I think he says it was the first time we
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ever set out to do a family of products together." Now that seems like a statement that I can't
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believe. I mean, she said it, so it must be true, but like that seems... Oh no, we have two computer
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lines! When did this happen? That seems really weird, right? But I guess maybe they don't always
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redesign them at the same time? Like I think that might be the difference, right? I think so. That
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you can borrow from other designs, which they always do. It's like they make a product and then
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other products borrowed from that design but I guess they sat down and they were like all right
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we're redoing the laptops and they did all three of them at once because it really does look the
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same but there are differences which are interesting to me so there is no macbook air branding anywhere
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on the macbook air yeah not even on the bottom where the macbook pro it's uh debossed into the
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aluminum maybe it was a some sort of issue they couldn't do that on the bottom case i think they
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this one to make something super clean and I am glad the branding has gone from underneath
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the display that's come and gone over the years with different machines and different
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designs but I'm glad that it's just super clean and minimal and I mean the Apple logo
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is bigger on the back and there's a funny shot and some of the reviews comparing like
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old MacBook Airs and the new one the Apple logo is just so dominant on the back but other
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Other than that, it's basically nothing saying that it's a Mac other than, oh, it looks like
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all the others.
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So the design looks, it looks really good.
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I've seen people talking about the fingerprints that get all over the midnight one.
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Seems like it gets very fingerprinty.
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That was definitely true in the hands on, like Apple people were like wiping them down
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in between people touching them.
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And I'm sure a lot of that will had to do with COVID even then the midnight one
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was just fingerprinty and I was
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I was a little surprised by that because the the space gray doesn't really do that that badly
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But there's something different I guess about the midnight the color or the finish something about it
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It really shows them. So I think I think the midnight looks really cool and if you look in the videos
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I mean the folks doing these initial reviews
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I mean, they all have great lighting and everything, so you can really see what it looks like.
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It is pretty, but that's going to be the trade-off, and for me, it's not a trade-off I would want.
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I don't like the color so much that I'd be willing to put up with the fingerprints.
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I don't know, but it's pretty.
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I would still go midnight.
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I would still go midnight.
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Yeah, me too.
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It's so pretty.
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It looks nice.
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The other ones, I've seen these colors before, you know?
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I'm bored of them.
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Give me the blue one.
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Life's too short to care about fingerprints, you know?
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Give me the pretty computer, yes.
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What am I worried the FBI is gonna come after me, right?
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'Cause I can get my fingerprints off the laptop?
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Like what's the problem, you know?
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The other thing I didn't realize physically
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about this machine, I didn't even like pick up on it,
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again in the very exclusive and cool hands-on we had.
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How many more times are you gonna mention it?
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This is three times now.
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This is so unnecessary.
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Three times you've said it now.
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There's no speaker grill on this machine.
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So on the previous Air, they were super skinny,
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you know, down the sides of the keyboard.
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And even on the 14 and 16, that's where they are.
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Now here's the secret, dear listener.
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That's not where the speakers actually are
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in the laptops for the most part.
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Like on the MacBook Pros,
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they're basically at the very bottom of that grill.
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But they make the grill big to make it look nice.
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This MacBook Air, the speakers are,
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where they are on the chassis,
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are sort of where the exhaust vent is,
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like in the inside of the hinge.
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So when you open the machine,
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if you look down in there,
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there's openings to let air and heat out.
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The speakers are in there somewhere.
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And so the sound sort of just comes out of the laptop.
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And in the Verge video,
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they have the M1 MacBook Air,
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the M2 MacBook Air,
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and then the 14 inch MacBook Pro.
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and the new Air is right in between the other two
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in terms of sound quality.
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It's not as good as the MacBook Pro.
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Like just as an aside,
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the MacBook Pro speakers are so good for a laptop.
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- It's silly how good they are.
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The M2 Air isn't quite as good as that,
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but if you're coming from an Intel MacBook Air,
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they're gonna be substantially better.
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And again, it's something that cleans up
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the look of the machine.
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And I think actually makes the machine look
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a little bit more modern
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without all the laser burned holes and the aluminum.
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It's just clean and sleek, but yeah,
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not as good as a MacBook Pro speaker wise,
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but I think for what people do with a MacBook Air,
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it's gonna be more than good enough.
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- I think with the MacBook Pros,
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it does help balance out the design a little bit 'cause--
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- Especially the 16, you gotta have them on the big one.
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Because it'd be those just wasted weird space down the sides.
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But yeah, if that, where would they,
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there's nowhere to even put them on this MacBook Air.
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Like what you put them like next to the track pad,
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that'd be so weird to have the holes there, right?
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So like, I kind of like, I like it.
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I just think again,
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it keeps the kind of aesthetic of this design going,
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which is just this like very clean,
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very futuristic looking laptop.
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Steven, I want to get your kind of feelings
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on the M2 discussion.
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Like there's a lot of talk about like thermal throttling compared to the MacBook Pro.
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And like how warm the machine can get and just like general performance conversation.
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Yeah, so as we know from the M1 generation of machines, that MacBook Air and that MacBook Pro
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basically operate the same way until you get to really heavy sustained workloads.
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and then the single fan that turns inside the MacBook Pro
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gives it just a little bit of an edge
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when it comes to those longer sustained workloads.
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So in the real world, that means exporting a video
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from Final Cut or Premiere,
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maybe doing a big build in Xcode,
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bouncing a project out of logic, right?
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Where this gets complicated is that the difference
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between these two machines continues into the M2 era.
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And at the edge where you're really pushing
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sustained workloads, the difference is a little bit greater
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between the Air and the Pro where people have seen
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the M2 MacBook Pro, the 13 inch,
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they have seen that thermal throttle and get pretty warm.
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And that's happening a little bit more quickly
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on the M2 Air.
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In my estimation, this is not a big deal at all
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for a couple of reasons.
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The biggest is that we have to remember
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the trade-offs for this machine were made
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with the customer for this machine in mind, right?
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So this MacBook Air, while you can certainly buy it
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and certainly run a YouTube career off of it,
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I don't think that's what Apple has in mind
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for this product.
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If you are going to do big development projects,
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you can totally do it on this machine.
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It's just that the 14 and 16 are better suited
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with the trade-offs they make to be thicker and heavier
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with much better cooling.
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So you've gotta kinda pick what trade-offs work for you
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and your workload.
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And for the vast majority of people who buy a MacBook Air,
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if they ever run into this,
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it's going to be extremely infrequently.
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If you're buying this for knowledge workers,
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if you're buying it for students,
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you're buying it for home use,
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even if you're buying it for like what I use my laptop for,
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which is basically just going around on the web,
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doing admin stuff for our company
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and very occasionally editing a podcast,
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I don't think I would ever hit it.
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And it just, it means when you watch these reviews
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and you see like, okay, we ran Cinebench for 30 minutes.
00:52:32
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Yes, the MacBook Air is going to be slower
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in those tests than the Pro because of the cooling.
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And it's important to know that,
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but for most people, most of the time, it doesn't matter.
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And so I don't think it's a big deal
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that this machine throttles before the Pro.
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I'm not surprised by it.
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I'm not surprised that it's a little bit
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bigger of a difference than the M1.
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This is a more powerful chip with more cores,
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But I don't think at the end of the day,
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I don't think you should make a buying decision
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based on this, unless you're in the situation
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where the Air is all you can afford.
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Then like you just need to know that, yeah,
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you are making this trade off
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at the very edge of performance.
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But like I said, for most people,
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most of the time, not a big deal.
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- Apple did confirm to The Verge that this has,
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I would say an issue that the M2 MacBook Pro has,
00:53:24
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The base models of both the Air and the Pro only has one storage chip on it, like one NAND flash chip on it for the SSD.
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So the storage performance, like the read and write, is slower than the M1 base models.
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This is only on the base models, and I assume that this is a supply chain thing.
00:53:48
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But this came out as a thing that the M2 MacBook Pro had and then I expect that the verge asked Apple because in
00:53:56
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Dan C if it's review he mentioned that Apple confirmed to them that was the same
00:54:01
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So it is a bit this is a I think that is one thing that I think people would feel more
00:54:07
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I expect right if the the read/write speeds are slower on the SSD
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Then they were even on the m1 models as a frustration
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But basically I guess it's if you can make any upgrade on this machine from the base model
00:54:23
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I would assume probably the storage will be the best one for you now considering this limitation
00:54:28
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the SSD speed thing is a problem and it's a decision that I wish Apple had made had made differently because
00:54:36
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And we're talking in terms of like what makes a difference performance wise day to day
00:54:41
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disk speed is basically the top of the list and
00:54:45
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That's that's real bummer to see that the the base
00:54:48
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Model of both these machines those users are gonna get penalized not only for having an SSD
00:54:54
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It's probably too small
00:54:55
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But for having one where the performance is cut so badly that is that's a bummer and I agree with you Myke
00:55:02
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If you're in the market for one of these I would not do that base storage if at all possible
00:55:07
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Upgrade it not only so you have more breathing room in terms of space
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But so you also don't get stuck with that the slower disk speeds
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The problem is that turns a $1,200 computer into a $1,400 computer.
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That's the issue.
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And that is a thing that people are pressing on, I get it, the price, right?
00:55:26
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It is more expensive and it's one you can point to especially when the old ones stood around.
00:55:30
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But I think that if we think about Apple's last attempt at a thin and light $1,200 computer, right?
00:55:37
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Which is the MacBook.
00:55:38
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This is clearly a vastly better machine for the money.
00:55:43
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You know, I was expecting that people were either going to say this is a fantastic laptop
00:55:48
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or it's way too expensive and it feels like people were more leaning on the this is a
00:55:52
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great laptop than pushing on the expensive part.
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Because things are better, right?
00:55:57
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Like the camera still isn't great, but it's way better on this one than the previous one.
00:56:02
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You benefit from things like MagSafe, so you actually have two USB-C ports and a headphone
00:56:07
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jack, right?
00:56:08
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So you've got more ports.
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The screen is bigger.
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People are not going to like the notch.
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always not gonna like the notch but like kind of whatever the screen is bigger
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and brighter there are and it just looks cool and it's like a lot going on for it
00:56:22
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I think that that that 35 watt power adapter thing people are gonna love that
00:56:27
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like I know that us as nerds are like well you know it actually isn't as
00:56:31
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powerful and then if you plug a second thing in you're only getting half the
00:56:35
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power to the laptop I don't think I think like I imagine you give that to
00:56:40
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somebody in your life and like, wow, I could also charge my iPhone at the same
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time. This is awesome. Yeah. Right? Like I just, you know, I just feel like people
00:56:47
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are really gonna dig it. So I think this is a great machine all in all. I'm, I
00:56:52
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still want to get my hands on one. I have not ordered one. Steven, you ordered one,
00:56:56
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right? I did. Yeah, so we have a silver one coming with the base CPU, GPU, but two
00:57:05
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terabytes of storage and I was gonna do 16 gigabytes of RAM but I ended up doing
00:57:10
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24 because as I explained last week
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this is basically like the last piece of the puzzle and like getting the rest of my family onto Apple Silicon and
00:57:18
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I don't want to do anything else with those setups for a long time. So I opted for the 24 just for longevity
00:57:26
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It comes as early as a week from today. So that's like the the opening of my
00:57:32
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Delivery window and it's open through
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like the next week.
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So hopefully I'll have some impressions here
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before too long.
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You know, beyond my hands-on impressions earlier.
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- Yeah, well. - Right.
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I've been thinking to myself, what is the thing?
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You know, like what will do it?
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It's time for a quiz.
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I enjoyed round one of Do You Know the Passionate Ones so much last week that I want to do another
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I'll just set the record straight here.
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I'm not doing another one next week because it takes two hours at least to get these quiz
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Again, I reckon maybe two more rounds from the initial questions that I asked so they
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will come at a future date.
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As a quick reminder, this is a Family Feud/Family Fortune style rules.
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I put out a quiz to connected listeners to ask them a series of questions.
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I will be asking Stephen and Federico to guess the top five answers that were collected from
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the overall responses.
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So for example, if I asked like, we did this last time, what was your first iPhone?
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And if you said iPhone 3G, that was the top answer.
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And Steven got 50 points for that.
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And it carries on from there.
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There will be a selection of rules for each question,
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which I'll go through again as we go through them.
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I will give-- some people wrote in and said,
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why did you give 50 points as the top answer?
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Why not just do five so it's more in line
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with the previous scoring?
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So to people who ask those kinds of questions,
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who says that it will always be one point per answer?
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There could be questions that give a thousand points in the future, you know?
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Who knows? Like, I don't know. There's loads of different formats we're doing here.
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And this is just the second format that we tried. So, boys are you ready?
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Uh, yes. I think.
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Alright, so we've got five questions again today, like we did last time.
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The first question today... Actually, I'm going to do the coin flip first, right?
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Let's do the coin flip first, so I don't give you additional time to think about it.
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it. So we'll do a coin flip to decide who gets to answer first out of the two of you.
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Steven, you're going to be heads. And Steven, I don't know if you could hear that. My volume
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was quite quiet, but it was heads. Okay. So the first question for the passionate ones
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that they have answered today is what phone do you use today? That was the question. What
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phone do you use today? Now what we're looking for here, I will take model numbers but no color or
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storage size variations. Okay. What phone do you use today? Stephen you have the first answer.
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iPhone 11 Pro. Stephen you get zero points for that answer. Oh um oh boy.
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- Boy, iPhone 13 Pro Max.
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- Federica, 40 points goes to you.
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That is the second highest answer on the board.
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iPhone 13 Pro Max.
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We go back to you, Steven, for your second guess there.
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- iPhone 12 Pro.
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- Will he be get back on the board this time?
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Yes, he will.
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That is the third highest answer.
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The iPhone 12 Pro was what you said, right?
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- Yeah, that is the third highest answer.
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That gets you 30 points.
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iPhone 13 Pro.
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- That is the top answer.
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T.G.'s playing the game today.
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Fing's Federico up to 90 points.
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Federico's got the top and second answer.
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Steven has the third most popular answer
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and then also one that had nothing.
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So Stephen, you have the next guest, please.
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- I was gonna say our audience,
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way newer phones than I thought.
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- I'm gonna say the regular iPhone 13.
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- That is not on the list, Stephen.
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You have lost out again.
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The iPhone, just the iPhone 13 did not show up.
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I will go through later on and we can talk about
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where some of these came for you.
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But iPhone 13, not on there.
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- Man, dying.
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iPhone 12 Pro Max.
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- Federico, that is the fourth highest answer,
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netting you another 20 points.
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- Fifth one is interesting now.
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- Oh, something I forgot to do, by the way,
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was to give the overall scoring
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as we were coming into today.
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- So I'm just gonna calculate that real quick
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because I have to remove some things
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from my incredibly complicated spreadsheet
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so I can go back to the scores as we started today.
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So as we come to the beginning of today,
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Steven is on 312 points
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and Federico is on 451 points.
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- As we start today.
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- Fifth most popular phone.
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Can you give us the top four again?
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- I most certainly can.
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They are the iPhone 13 Pro,
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the iPhone 13 Pro Max, iPhone 12 Pro,
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and iPhone 12 Pro Max.
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- So there's not even like a--
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- I found that really interesting, by the way,
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that they split out like that,
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that it was exactly like Pro, Pro Max, Pro, Pro Max.
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- And the 11 Pro was not on the list.
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But I'm gonna say the 11 Pro Max is.
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- Yeah, good guess.
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- The iPhone 11 Pro Max is not in the top five.
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Interesting.
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The SE owners are back to get us.
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Interesting.
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I do wonder-- It hit me.
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It just hit me.
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The people bought a model thinking it may go away.
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Yeah, that's what I'm thinking.
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I'm gonna go with iPhone 13 mini.
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iPhone 13 mini Federico is not on the list.
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That was exactly my thought process
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and I would have picked it next.
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Gosh, I mean, what else is there?
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Trying to think about like recent phones
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maybe people liked and wanted to like hold on to.
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I'm just gonna shoot my shot here, the iPhone XR.
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- iPhone XR?
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- Yeah, it's fine.
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- Not on the list.
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- People may want to hold on to it.
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Federico, I think you went, yeah, you go now and you get one more go each after this one.
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Okay, I'm gonna go with the plain iPhone 12.
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The plain iPhone 12 is not in our top five answers. You have one more shot each.
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iPhone 12 mini.
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- Is the fifth highest answer.
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- So Steven will pull in an additional 10 points.
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So just to recap, Federico had 110 points from that round
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and Steven 40 points as Federico got the first, second
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and fourth highest answers.
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Stephen with the third and fifth highest answer.
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So some statistics for you.
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The iPhone 13 Pro accounted for 23.6%
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- Of the 1200 people that answered.
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The iPhone 13 Pro Max came in at 13.3%.
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The 12 Pro Max was 6.6%.
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The 12 Pro was at 8.5%.
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I gave those in the wrong way round,
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but you get the point.
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The iPhone 13 mini was 5.8%, but the iPhone 12 mini,
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which was the one that made it to fifth, was 6.5.
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- Okay, wow.
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- Then the lowest down answer,
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what would have been the sixth answer,
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would have been the iPhone 12, which is at 6.1%,
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then it would have been the 13 mini.
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And then the iPhone 11 was 5.1%,
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which was the next one after that.
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Which was, that was a surprise to me.
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I don't know, that just carried on from there.
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Oh sorry, the iPhone 12 had 6.1%.
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This is really hard to look at.
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I can't show it to you, but it's really hard to look at.
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iPhone SE people are asking about.
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This was complicated because
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I had to combine all of the SE models
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because it was very,
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because people were writing them in,
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I couldn't feel confident in which model of SE
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people were talking about but it didn't end up being an issue because it was
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only 2% of the responses so well if it would have been higher I think I would
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have tried to do something about that but it got really it got really
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complicated people are asking David in the chat is asking were there any non
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iPhones yes there are a lot of there were a lot of Samsung phones but it was
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like one or two and it was various models a few Xiaomi's and a handful of
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OnePlus phones as well. Someone using a Nokia 8.3 5G, I don't even know what that is,
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but one of those is in there.
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- Interesting, okay.
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- And a handful of Google Pixel phones as well. There's a lot of votes splitting on
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those really, you know, like because there's so many models of these phones, they split
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across, you know, that if they were more consolidated, they might have had a slightly better chance.
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But yeah, I was genuinely surprised that about 40% of the vote was the most recent iPhones,
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the 13 Pro and the 13 Pro Max.
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I guess that makes sense.
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And then the iPhone 13 or the iPhone 12 not making it into that top five was interesting
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I'll say many owners in the audience really shooting yourselves in the foot not buying
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the 13 mini, right?
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The rhetoric is...
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Well, because they knew.
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They knew at that point it wasn't going to come back, you know.
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- It's a self-fulfilling prophecy at that point too,
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I think a little bit.
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Like, I mean, is a phone canceled if no one buys it?
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- Exactly. - Who knows?
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- So that is the first round.
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Second round, what is your favorite wearable device?
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What's the question asked, the passionate ones?
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- Favorite wearable?
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- Yeah, these are product classes, not model years, sizes,
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or numbered revisions.
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- Whoa, okay.
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- So we're talking straight up product classes.
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So for example, I mean,
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like if we go back to laptops as an example,
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it was like just MacBook Pro,
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not MacBook Pro model year, whatever,
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not MacBook Pro this size.
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This is just straight up product classes.
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- Okay. - Follow?
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- Okay. - Okay.
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- So we're gonna flip a coin
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and Federico is gonna be heads.
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- Okay, but it's tails, so.
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- Obviously.
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- So you said that for yourself, you know what I mean?
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- Being first hasn't helped me at all so far, so.
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- This is a very good point.
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This is a very good point.
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So favorite wearable, Steven, you're up first.
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- Apple watch.
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- You got 50 points is the highest answer.
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- Obviously, yeah.
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AirPods Pro.
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- Is the second highest answer,
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that's 40 points to Federico.
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- Is that the answer for all AirPods?
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- Nope, that was just AirPods Pro.
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I appreciate that you asked.
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- So you did separate them a little bit.
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- AirPods Pro is its own product.
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- Yeah, product classes.
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- That's a product class.
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- You see, but who's saying,
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right, so Apple Watch, that's its own thing, right?
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- Okay, I was just trying to clarify.
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- Well, no, you weren't clarifying.
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You said I did it wrong.
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I'm Quizmaster, all right?
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You don't come to me with your questions.
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I come to you with questions.
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I'm gonna say the regular AirPods.
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- That is 30 points for Steven.
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Do you feel better now?
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- You wanna complain again?
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- No, no, you should get your 30 points.
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- I'm gonna go with AirPods Max.
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- Will that be a clean sweep?
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No, it will not.
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AirPods Max did not find its way onto the list.
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So we have three of the top five.
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mm-hmm I'm gonna go with Fitbit Fitbit is not in the top five I am gonna go
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with Beats Fit Pro interesting three people said Beats Fit Pro that did that
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was not enough to make you and I respect you hmm
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14 people said Fitbit by the way. So not great there either. AirPods Max was 12.
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More people with Fitbits than AirPods Max. I'm not familiar enough with the
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Beats products I feel like. So you said the Beat Fit Pro? They're the little...
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I'm gonna say Powerbeats Pro by Beats. Powerbeats Pro, just two people.
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so that is not enough to make it onto the list.
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One of them was probably my spouse.
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Okay. Wearable device.
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Yeah. I'm going to give you one more chance each
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and I'm going to give you a clue.
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These are our product classes.
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Like, are there generic names in this list?
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What does generic name mean?
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I'm not... This is already going to give you the answer to this question,
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but like, can you give me an example?
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No, it's because you wouldn't be able to reply.
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I'm gonna go with the Sony XM4 headphones.
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Do you mean the Sony WH-1000 XM4?
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Three people answered, so that's not enough.
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So we're really good at picking obscure wearables.
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Well, I mean, you're picking things...
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You're having a good run, right?
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Like, everything you've said is on the list.
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it's just not in the top five hmm okay hmm so we've picked Apple watch
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AirPods Pro you have picked Apple watch which is the top answer AirPods Pro
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which was the second highest answer and AirPods which is the third highest
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answer things you have picked that are not in the top five AirPods Max, Fitbit,
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Beats Fit Pro, Powerbeats Pro and the Sony XM4.
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Yeah, okay, okay, okay.
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So this is Steven, this is your...
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I'm just just confirming here and then Federico you get one more, then I'm gonna give you a clue.
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I'm gonna say the...
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What is it? The Oya ring? Whatever it is?
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The Ura ring?
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Well, it made it to four people.
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one person spelt it really wrong which is funny to me they spelt it like a u h a but i knew what
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they meant you know there's a lot of that you know there's a lot of that like europe yeah there's a
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lot of like people write full sentences to me uh in these answers it's like what am i supposed to
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do with this i'm gonna go with these with a with a different kind of pick i'm gonna say a regular
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watch at the fifth highest answer with 10 points is analog watch okay okay now
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Federico you have negated my clue there is no clue now okay okay so I can still
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one more on the board okay yeah analog watch you're gonna get one more round
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each. Man, I don't know. What else is out there? I guess what constitutes wearable. Oh, oh!
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I'm gonna say an Oculus headset. Wear it? That is the first answer that isn't on here?
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No one thinks about that as a wearable. One person said MetaQuest. One person said MetaQuest.
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But so that's not enough.
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I'm gonna go...
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So I get one more?
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Is that right?
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This is the final guess.
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I am going to go...
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I guess the problem is what you considered wearable.
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Classification?
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Oh, you know what?
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I'm gonna go with sunglasses.
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wait, we have one person said snap spectacles. We had, I think someone said
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those Ray Ban things, but I can't find them so yeah the answer is no okay so
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what was it none oh that's a trick question that's not a trick I've done
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it before I've given you this before the question of what was your operating
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system? I think one of the answers in the top five was none. I had to include this because none
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was answered by 4.5% of people. Wow. So it was such a huge... because then from there the highest was
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1.3% so it was four times the next answer. They don't wear anything. They don't wear no clothes.
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They wear nothing on them. If you think about it everything is wearable. Apple
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watch is 56.2%, AirPods Pro was 17.2%, regular AirPods was 8.4%,
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Nunn was 4.5%, Analog watch was 1.4%, AirPods Max was 1.1%, and then it
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kind of just went down from there. Oh sorry Fitbit was 1.3%. 0.8% of people,
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still rocking a pebble. Wow! That's more than the Garmin's. I was gonna say Garmin
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if I had another shot I was gonna go with like one of the Garmin smartwatches
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but yeah okay. Hey do you think the pebble people like getting stoned? Nice I
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like that. Just as a comparison 0.9% of people said Apple Watch SE so it's
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basically as many people. So there was 9 people that were in Apple
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watch SE and there are eight that said Pebble. Now of course because of the way
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it's questioned those people may have just thought that meant of all time. So
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the results now at the end of the second round is 160 points to
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Federico, 120 points to Steven. Okay. So we're gonna do the third round now. The
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question is, actually I'm gonna do the client flip first and I'm gonna say
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say, "Tales for Steven."
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- Federico gets to answer first.
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- The question is, "What is your favorite computer?"
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- Wait, we did this last time.
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- Didn't we?
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- We did first computer and current computer.
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- Okay, so these are the questions we did last time.
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First Apple product, operating system at school,
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first iPhone, OS you use most, which computer do you use?
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- Okay, all right.
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This question is, what is your favorite computer?
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Okay, what are you looking for?
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Product classes.
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They are not model year sizes or variations of in a model by name or processor.
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MacBook Pro.
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Wow, you didn't even give me any chance.
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I was too busy trying to complain to someone in the Discord
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who said I spelt "favorite" wrong because I put a "u" in it.
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But I didn't even get time to burn that person down
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because Federico's coming in there
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and claiming the top answer of 50 points for MacBook Pro.
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I'm gonna go with MacBook Air.
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Steven's coming in and taking the second highest answer, getting 40 points for MacBook Air.
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I'm torn between two.
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He speaks from the heart, you know?
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I feel like this one comes with a lot of expectation from Federico.
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Like it's not just wanting the points, it's also wanting like the life validation that comes with this answer.
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You get life validation to the tune of 20 points.
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iPad Pro was the fourth highest answer on the favorite computer list.
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How does that feel? Is that good? Is that enough?
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Feels good, feels good.
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Okay, you just wanted it in there, right?
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It has to be in there.
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It has to be in there. Okay.
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I'm gonna go with iMac.
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That's a bold one, Steven.
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Actually, before I answer you, why iMac?
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I think, I mean, a lot of people who have used a desktop, it's what they've used.
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It's fun and colorful.
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I feel like even if you don't own one, maybe you used one in school or have a fond memory of it somehow.
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So the "On the board" is the third and fifth highest answer.
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Which one do you think it is?
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I think I got the third one.
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I think the third.
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You're correct, it gets you 30 points.
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iMac is the third highest answer.
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So all that is left on the board is the fifth highest answer and you've run it so far.
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You've run the table.
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So you've got 50 points for MacBook Pro, 40 points for MacBook Air, 30 for iMac, 20 for
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70 points each so far in this round.
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I will go with a PC.
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Unfortunately, the streak has been broken.
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PC is not in our top five answers.
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- Kind of thought maybe the gaming PC people
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would come out storm.
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- It was there.
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It was there.
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Custom built PC was 2.8% of people.
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- But not the favorite, interesting.
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- 28 in total, which is actually kind of funny.
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- So we've got MacBook Pro, MacBook Air, iMac, iPad Pro.
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- So the question is like, is it a Mac or another iPad?
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- But Steven.
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- What is a computer, you know?
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- What is a computer?
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- I think about six people put that in.
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- Of course they did.
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- They would just, oh no, three.
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I left them in on this one.
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Three people.
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do really is just for those three people I just want them to know that they're
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not as funny as they think they are right because each one of those three
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people were like haha here's my original joke hmm right but it wasn't it wasn't
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that good on Twitter sometimes so you get a bunch of replies that all say the
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same thing yeah when I was when I was doing that I was thinking of that exact
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thing which is like if you have a fun joke I do this if I see someone's tweet
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something I got a funny joke I just check the answers like that check the
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tweets I should say like the responses have people made this joke has this
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joke been made 20 times if it has I'm not gonna make it you know this is a
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vice that I would like to impart upon everyone it's good her social media guru
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I'm going to say iPad air interesting just six people answer that I put it
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that is not enough. I'm gonna go with Mac Studio. Mac Studio? Coming in there with
01:24:30
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Federico. Why Mac Studio? Well, because I think people have a tendency to think
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their favorite thing is their most recent thing. People who got the Mac
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Studio seems to be seem to be really into it, so that was my thinking. Not
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enough of them, just 22 people put Mac Studio on the list, which does not put it in the top
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Wow. It crushed the iPad Air though. Yeah, I really did. Poor iPad Air. 22 to 6. Yeah.
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It's not great. I'm gonna go with Federico's thinking. I do think there's something to
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explore another time where we think the most recent thing is the best or favorite thing.
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That's really something we should explore. But I'm gonna go with the Mac Pro. I combined
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Mac Pros as you would imagine. Oh no, that's not a good sign. 15. 15. 15. Yeah.
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The Mac Studio destroyed the Mac Pro. Yeah, well that's true in a lot of ways I don't
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want to think about so. Yeah. Okay, okay, so I'm torn between two. I was gonna say
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one more round but I'm enjoying this one too much actually. So I want you to keep
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I feel like it's something silly that we're just overlooking.
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I don't know.
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We're out of Macs just about.
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There's one more.
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I'm gonna go with Mac Mini.
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21 people said Mac Mini.
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So less than the Mac Studio.
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So we're out of Macs.
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Cut the Mac Mini.
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How many people...
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I know it's 21, but Mac Mini, you know.
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There's some passionate Mac Mini people out there.
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- I got the small. - There's 21 of them.
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- Small life. - We know that.
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We know at least there's 21.
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- We said PC, and you, Myke, interpreted that
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as custom built PC.
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- Because I, yeah, I mean, yeah, sure.
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I did interpret that as custom built PC, yeah.
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- So I feel like PC notebook is still out there,
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but I don't see that being the fifth
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most favorited computer by our audience.
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But we're out of Macintoshes, unless we do something old,
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which I don't think we're gonna do.
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Maybe the Apple II people came out in force again.
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- Yeah, I was thinking about that.
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- You know what, in honor of those heroes,
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the Apple II. - You're going for it.
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- Oh, Steven.
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- You went for it.
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- That was, this is a very good guess.
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We heard from actually quite a number of those people.
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- I did, I really enjoyed those emails.
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- That all of them listened to the show,
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so I expected to hear from a bunch of them.
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But only eight of those people were willing to say
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it was their favorite computer.
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- They didn't show up for this one, I'm sorry.
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- One more round.
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- Yeah, and there's one missing iPad.
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Well, there's two missing iPads,
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but I guess I'm going with iPad mini at this point.
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- Just nine, just nine people.
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- Which I was pretty upset about that to be honest.
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- Is the answer none again?
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'Cause I can't, I can't handle that.
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I will tell you, no, it is not none.
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I will give you that.
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It is not none.
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There is something on this list.
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- What in the world could it be?
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- Give us one more round.
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It's gotta be something.
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- All right, you'll get one more go.
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So Steven, you get two.
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Federico, you get one more.
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- Okay, thank you.
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So Steven's up now.
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- I'm gonna go PC laptop.
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- No, it's not on there.
01:28:07
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- So the thing about custom built PCs,
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that's what people answer.
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People don't build their own laptops, right?
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so that I have a bunch of laptops on this list, right?
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But none of them are gonna get you what you want.
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- And you're not willing to combine all PC laptops
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into one broad category?
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Even if I did, it wouldn't be enough
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to get the fifth highest answer.
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- Okay, that's what I wanna know.
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I wanna know that you're not holding out on me.
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- There will be like 10.
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I've got three people that have got various Dell XPSs.
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- It's a good laptop.
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- Two people that have got like a XPS 15.
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We've got one person who put framework laptop and basically answer framework laptop anywhere they could.
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I've seen that in it so many times.
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I think people that have those are pretty passionate.
01:28:52
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I'm sort of thinking if Myke said the answer is not none.
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You got one more round, right?
01:29:00
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We each have one more pick.
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I'm gonna tell you something. This isn't gonna help you. I'm gonna tell you this.
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42 people gave this answer.
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To put that into context, the iPad Pro got 85.
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So I'm sort of wondering if they tried to be clever with this answer
01:29:27
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and it's not necessarily a computer?
01:29:31
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What's a console, you know?
01:29:34
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You know what, at this point, I mean, what am I gonna guess?
01:29:38
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like a random obscure computer? No, I'm gonna go with iPhone.
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iPhone is answered. 24 people. Okay. Making it more than the Mac Studio or more than
01:29:52
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the Mac Mini? Not enough. Wow. Steven, you have the final guess here. With this I'm
01:29:59
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gonna lean into maybe people didn't give you a complete answer and so the number
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is artificially high for just plain simple iPad. Yeah. 21 people. No, that's not it.
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I'm about to blow a hole in your recency theory when I tell you the fifth
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highest answer with 42 responses is MacBook. Wow! MacBook. Really? MacBook. More
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than the Mac Pro, more than the Mac Studio. That picks up people who love the
01:30:39
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12-inch little one like Underscore and Casey, but it also picks up people who
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like the white and black plastic ones. Dang, I should have thought of that. Yeah.
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I got five iBooks.
01:30:51
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If they were in there, I don't remember now,
01:30:53
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but I would have combined those that you just mentioned.
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But similarly, iMac benefited from a lot of older iMacs in there.
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So iMac G4 and stuff was all in that list.
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They all got compressed into iMac.
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So iMac got that bump.
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But MacBook.
01:31:14
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That's incredible. Okay.
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Okay. So at the end of the third round, we're at 230 points to Federico, 190 points to Steven.
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Okay, so we move into the fourth, the penultimate question in today's passionate ones round.
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The fourth question, oh I should do my coin flip first, so we're going to say Steven is
01:33:19
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Okay, what I always like when that happens is it's always Federico saying it to himself,
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you know, like in those moments.
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So Steven, you're going to get the first pick at the question, what is your favorite ever
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iPod. Favorite ever iPod. Your favorite ever iPod. Again, product classes, not models.
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iPod Nano. I like it when you're so, you know, I haven't even got the time to move over to
01:33:49
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the different tabs in my spreadsheet. When you come in there and get the top answer,
01:33:54
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That's 50 points going to Steven there for iPod Nano.
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I'm going to go with just iPod, the classic basically.
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Are we going to do it?
01:34:06
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I don't know. We'll see.
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That is the second highest answer.
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40 points for Federico.
01:34:12
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Don't let me down, Steven.
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Pick the third highest.
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Steven, let me down.
01:34:21
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That's the fifth highest answer.
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You get 10 points for iPod mini.
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- Say you too.
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You too iPod, say it.
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- Well, that wouldn't count.
01:34:36
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That got wrapped into iPod.
01:34:37
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- That doesn't mean he can't guess it.
01:34:41
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That's a good point.
01:34:42
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- Play the player, not the game.
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- iPod Touch.
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- Is the third highest answer.
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Going to Federico.
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iPod shuffle.
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Hold on one moment. I'm just filling in my point spreadsheet here because I accidentally
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gave Federico 10 points to a Memphis Steven. So I figured that everyone, well, maybe except
01:35:09
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Federico's happy that I had to fix that. So that is now fixed. You said iPod shuffle.
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iPod shuffle is not in the top five.
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Wait, how many iPods are there?
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tell me history boy wait what we've done classic what's there what's the the
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rank you have answered top answer iPod nano that was Steven Federico got iPod
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and iPod touch for second and third and the fifth highest answer was iPod mini
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at ten points for Steven and shuffle is not in the list and shuffle is not in
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list that's all the big categories you've you've done something here have I
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you didn't yes I you didn't lump all big iPods into one camera yes I did what
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else is there the fourth highest answer worth 20 points is it the YouTube iPod
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no I told you already not that would have been counted in iPod along with
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iPod class you have iPod photo and video in video photo all the generations of
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the original you two and classic are all just iPod there's literally nothing left
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mm-hmm huh okay none 20 points goes to wait was it his turn yeah I said yeah
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yeah come on I'm sorry I don't like nothing being a possible answer 57 people
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said it. 48 people said shuffle. Amazing. And 51 people said iPod mini. So it's one
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of those things where like, where there are more people that said none than two of the
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actual iPods. Like I have to put it in there. Because again, it's like the answer is what
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are people answer? That's what you're playing. Yeah. I guess that speaks to the age of the
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audience as well. Like if a hundred people said Zune, it would have been on the list.
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Because I'm not judging like that, right?
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It's like, what are they answering?
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So the breakdown was 358 people said iPod Nano, which is 35.4%.
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And 348 people said iPod.
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I was genuinely really surprised at the fact that the iPod Nano beat iPod because of how
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many iPods there were.
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And how long it went for, right?
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but I guess the Nano like I think people feel more strongly if they love or hate a certain generation of Nano and
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They were more affordable. I get it
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iPod touch was 148 people at
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Then none was 57 people at 5.6%
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Mini was 51 people.
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The iPod shuffle was 48.
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So at the end of that round,
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it's 320 points to Federico,
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250 points to Steven.
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You can, Steven can actually still win this round today.
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It is possible.
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I'm going to flip a coin
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for our final question of the day.
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And I'm going to say Federico is heads.
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And I'm just going to say first, I think for Steven's sake, especially when looking at
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him wanting to win this, I think this might be best for him because this question is,
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what is your favorite app?
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Your favorite app.
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What is your favorite app?
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Oh, this is a good one.
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No qualifiers on this one.
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And I'm going to play to the fact that we're a podcast and I'm going to say Overcast.
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cast yeah top answer whoa 50 points thank you going to Steven amazing as you
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can imagine this was the highest amount of actual usable answers that I got from
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after or everything was counted up together there is a total of 258 apps
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in this list there's so many that have just won. How many did you remember the
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milk get? I will answer that question for you either when you choose it or
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afterwards. Okay I will go with I will go with Safari. Safari is not in the top five.
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Wow okay Safari was answered by 25 people huh big big web energy okay
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Federico I'm actually pretty surprised that you've struck out on your first
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guess that why was not expecting that big att boy over there should have had
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John play for you I'm gonna say tweet bot tweet bot is the fifth highest answer
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so Stephen collects another ten points I'm gonna go with hmm hmm
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Federico shaken right now yes you could feel it no I just want to state right
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now it is now in this round 320 points to Federico 310 to Stephen you see
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Yeah, that turned around?
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That turned around fast.
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I will go with shortcuts.
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Shortcuts is not in the top five.
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You're overthinking this, man.
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So it's all third party apps.
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So it's all third party apps. Shortcuts, 11.
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I see how this question was answered then.
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All right, cool.
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I'm gonna say,
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trying to think of categories that people are,
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amped about, right, people have strong opinions about. I'm gonna say OmniFocus.
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OmniFocus is not in the top five. You're back in the race, Federica.
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OmniFocus was answered by seven people.
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I see you're playing like the passion, right? You're thinking like, what do people really
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Yeah, that's a good answer.
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Just four people. Not a good answer. It's not in the top five. What? Okay. This is like... I don't even know. Okay.
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Man, we're getting murdered. What? I'm actually really surprised about this. This is great. This is brutal.
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You have the second, third, and fourth highest answers available.
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My guess is that Instagram is on the list, so I'm gonna say Instagram. Instagram is on a list.
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- But it is not on the list you're looking for.
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Three people.
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- Said that Instagram was their favorite app.
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- Hold on, hold on.
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- Oh, here he comes.
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- Oh, that's good.
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- Ding, ding, ding, ding, ding.
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There you go.
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Second highest answer.
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I cannot believe.
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So Federico, remind me, you do a public vote, right?
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- Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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I gotta think like that.
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I gotta think like that.
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You're right.
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- Because there's somebody who does the upgrade-ies.
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Yeah, I'm, yeah.
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Apollo is always number one.
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Yes, I know, I know.
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Every single time, so.
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That was why I was specifically surprised
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that Federico would not set Apollo.
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Don't worry, don't worry, I got you, I got you now.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Okay, that's, yeah,
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that's changed the way I'm gonna think about it.
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And I'm gonna pick Carrot Weather.
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There he goes, they're back on the board.
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The third highest answer goes to Steven.
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I am going to go, I'm torn between two,
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but I'm gonna go with drafts.
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- Drafts was answered by 17 people.
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Is that enough to make it the fourth highest answer?
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No, it is not.
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- If I get this right, it's gonna be so glorious.
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- Do you know why it will be glorious?
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- Because it's obsidian.
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- Because, no, because you will tie.
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And I will tie and I'm gonna pick his favorite app and I'm gonna say it's Obsidian.
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You should totally tie with Obsidian. Yes, go for it. Yes.
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If this was pro wrestling and things were like concocted, that is how this would end.
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But 21 people answering Obsidian is not enough.
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Well, they're too busy manicuring their perfect knowledge systems.
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Yep, those people, they wrote their answers in obsidian, I didn't see them.
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Yeah, well the sink is kind of iffy, you know?
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They can't get it to me.
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Based on what I usually see, in public votes, I'm gonna go with things.
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So this is again, this is going back to that like, you know, the beautiful design and the things people care about.
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But at 19 people, not enough.
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I'm gonna keep this one going. I'm loving this. This is great.
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This might be, I think, the highest amount of times you've both struck out. There's eight
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things you've given me between the two of you that are not in the top five.
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Yeah, that's bad. Favorite app? I'm gonna stick with my feeling that it's some sort
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of knowledge app, and I'm gonna say craft.
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Yeah, good pick. Yeah.
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Yeah, good pick. Now,
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Obsidian was 21 people, right? Yeah.
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Croft is just 20. Ooh.
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Let me just check, did anybody say that? One person.
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One person hates apps one person one person
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Actually to two people one person said not applicable one person said none because it was the two I didn't bother combining them
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Those people have no joy. Yeah
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So Federico, yeah you a second
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So I'm gonna give you your answer then I'm gonna give you just a bit of a clue
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and then I think I'm gonna give you two more rounds each.
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Okay so it's my turn now?
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No, yeah okay it's my turn now.
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Uh cool so you know I will go with...
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He said craft already so that doesn't apply.
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Didn't need to give you that clue because Federico got it.
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was the fourth highest answer. There was a total of 31 people. Okay. It said reader.
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You see how we started to get really small at that point? Yeah. Because you had
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25% of people said overcast, then 9% of people said Apollo. 4.1% of people said
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Karat weather, and then it started going down from there into much much smaller
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numbers. I do like that we have two RSS based apps in there. That's fun. People
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love RSS and social media. So tell me about remember the milk. Ah yeah where is it?
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Remember the milk... I want to know about shortcuts also. Oh you said it already I
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think. Unfortunately you didn't fill this out Steven so no people. Wow. Wow. Harsh.
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Shortcuts, 11.
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Yeah, you said 11 people, okay.
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Notes, Apple Notes, 2.
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What about Discord?
01:47:27
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One person said App Store.
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10 people said Discord.
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What about Slack?
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'Cause I think Slack won an early upgrade-ies,
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And my guess is that it's fallen from grace big time.
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- Zero people said so.
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- It went from cool to being the business app, right?
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- Yeah, yeah.
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And I mean, it wasn't even just, it was that for sure,
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but also that they just stopped doing anything to it.
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That people like us cared about
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and just went in a different direction, right?
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We spoke about this kind of stuff a bunch
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on the show before.
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Are there any others that you are interested
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in knowing more about?
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- Castro, Pico.
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Castro, yeah Castro got 11? No 10. Peacock got 1. Messages got 6.
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What about Spotify? Spotify was 4. Wow. Okay. That's the end of the quiz.
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At the end of today's quiz, Federico has 380 points, Steven has 340 points.
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That makes Federico the winner again of the passionate ones round quizzes.
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This brings the overall score to Steven at 652 points, Federico at 831 points.
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He's a man of the people. It cannot be denied.
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I can't wait for the day when I just think up a 1000 point question.
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That's gotta be good.
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I don't know what it's gonna be.
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I don't know what it's gonna be, but like at some point I'm just gonna, I'm just gonna
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So that's the end of the quiz for this episode of Connected.
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And it's the end of the episode.
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Look at that.
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Goodbye, rest of the topics.
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Myke came in, you know?
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See you later!
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Yeah, we have a topic we've bumped out a couple times now.
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We will eventually get to it.
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We will, we will.
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If you want to find links to stuff we spoke about, head on over to the website at relay.fm/connected/connected.
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