Connected

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00:00:07 ◼   ► From Relay FM, this is Connected, episode 407.

00:00:11 ◼   ► Today's show is brought to you by Squarespace, Trade Coffee, and Capital One.

00:00:16 ◼   ► My name is Myke Hurley, and I have the pleasure of introducing Federico Vitucci,

00:00:20 ◼   ► who isn't here.

00:00:21 ◼   ► So now I will introduce Steven Hackett.

00:00:23 ◼   ► Hi, Steven.

00:00:23 ◼   ► Hello.

00:00:24 ◼   ► I figured we got to keep the thing, right?

00:00:26 ◼   ► So Connected, is it connectedintro.com?

00:00:29 ◼   ► connectedintro.com

00:00:31 ◼   ► It says that I need to introduce Federico, but he's not here

00:00:34 ◼   ► So I figured I didn't want to mess it up by introducing you immediately because then I feel like it's gonna throw everything off

00:00:41 ◼   ► Yeah, you can't break the rotation. No

00:00:44 ◼   ► It's just us Federico had some stuff going on. He's good. He's okay. We talked to him earlier today. To be fair to Federico

00:00:52 ◼   ► Steven basically forced Federico off the episode this week for self care reasons, which was good

00:00:57 ◼   ► I think Federico ended up just taking the time. Yeah, but I think without you basically

00:01:02 ◼   ► Like what is like bullying but you're being nice to someone

00:01:07 ◼   ► What is that? I said, let me just read what I sent him

00:01:12 ◼   ► so this is from

00:01:15 ◼   ► Yesterday I said I've got some stuff in the document Federico. Are you taking the week off?

00:01:21 ◼   ► I think you should if you want even if you're free to record you should sleep

00:01:25 ◼   ► But then but it started after last week's episode

00:01:28 ◼   ► I've been building the case for a while because he's busy this week with some other stuff

00:01:31 ◼   ► I was like you don't need to worry about us like you go do what you need to do and again everything's fine

00:01:36 ◼   ► It's all good stuff, but we can handle the show for you. You know, this is what we do

00:01:40 ◼   ► There's three of us good building times. Y'all done it for me. We've done it for you. It's no big deal

00:01:46 ◼   ► Yep, I do miss him though. No, sorry. I mean I would miss you if you're gone. Yeah, whatever you don't say that

00:01:54 ◼   ► Usually when I'm gone the two of you just make fun of the fact that I'm not there and then move on

00:01:58 ◼   ► You know, so you miss me, you know, maybe I should just leave now

00:02:01 ◼   ► You do it on your own see miss me then you miss me the next 90 minutes

00:02:06 ◼   ► I will be talking about open doc everybody buckle in

00:02:10 ◼   ► You know, isn't it kind of incredible that we've we've never had to do that like one of us like no, that's not true

00:02:17 ◼   ► I've I did an episode episode

00:02:20 ◼   ► - it was some big round number 200 or 250 or something. It was me and John and

00:02:26 ◼   ► Underscore. Yeah, but that's not you on your own is it? That's what I'm talking about

00:02:30 ◼   ► Yeah, but no one but no single voice podcasts are bad unless they're like three minutes long

00:02:34 ◼   ► At least in the way that we do it, right if it's some like mystery thing that you're building up that's different

00:02:39 ◼   ► But yep, I'm not gonna talk about computers for an hour and a half alone

00:02:42 ◼   ► I mean I could you could but it'd be the end of the show

00:02:46 ◼   ► - Uh-huh.

00:02:48 ◼   ► I feel like there's a potential members episode

00:02:50 ◼   ► in there somewhere.

00:02:51 ◼   ► - Maybe, I could just discuss the various versions

00:02:53 ◼   ► of beige Apple used over the years.

00:02:55 ◼   ► - Just a Steven lecture, you know?

00:02:58 ◼   ► - We're gonna have one later in the show.

00:03:00 ◼   ► - Can't wait.

00:03:01 ◼   ► - That last topic.

00:03:02 ◼   ► - Yep, can't wait.

00:03:03 ◼   ► - Let's start with some follow-up though.

00:03:05 ◼   ► - Follow-up.

00:03:06 ◼   ► - The question that has been burning in everyone's mind

00:03:09 ◼   ► is slate gray still stuck in your spotlight on your phone?

00:03:13 ◼   ► - No, but I got a new one.

00:03:14 ◼   ► - Ooh, what is it?

00:03:15 ◼   ► just the word, letters T-E-S.

00:03:17 ◼   ► - TES.

00:03:19 ◼   ► - TES.

00:03:20 ◼   ► I have gen, I have connect, this is what it says now.

00:03:22 ◼   ► Connected starts at 1730.

00:03:25 ◼   ► Well, oh it started, sorry.

00:03:27 ◼   ► Then there's a zoom link, so it's join connected,

00:03:29 ◼   ► and then there's also a turn on, do not disturb option,

00:03:31 ◼   ► which those are really great, I think they're great.

00:03:33 ◼   ► And then I've got a link to general settings and TES.

00:03:38 ◼   ► - Hmm.

00:03:39 ◼   ► - I miss, I miss slate gray, to be honest.

00:03:41 ◼   ► - General settings, it's a pretty high rank for a setting.

00:03:45 ◼   ► one day it could be like a kernel setting.

00:03:47 ◼   ► - That's good.

00:03:47 ◼   ► - See kernel works on a couple different levels there

00:03:50 ◼   ► 'cause it's like a military thing and a computer thing.

00:03:53 ◼   ► - Colonel Panic is always concerned about something.

00:03:55 ◼   ► - Colonel Panic.

00:03:57 ◼   ► Colonel Panic at the disco.

00:03:59 ◼   ► - So I have been running the notifications count option

00:04:04 ◼   ► that Federico mentioned last week.

00:04:06 ◼   ► - Yeah. - This is in Iowa 16.

00:04:07 ◼   ► So this is where now it just gives you a little,

00:04:11 ◼   ► basically at the bottom of the home screen,

00:04:14 ◼   ► like a little number basically of how many notifications you have and you can tap it

00:04:19 ◼   ► and it will show you the most recent ones and it's only counting the most recent ones

00:04:23 ◼   ► and then if you minimize those again that goes away until there's new ones that come

00:04:27 ◼   ► in again.

00:04:28 ◼   ► I love it.

00:04:29 ◼   ► This is a great setting.

00:04:32 ◼   ► It is really good.

00:04:33 ◼   ► I feel like my whole lock screen notification situation is kind of bad right now.

00:04:40 ◼   ► I think part of it is due to the new design.

00:04:42 ◼   ► Like I feel like I lose things

00:04:45 ◼   ► because they sort of fall off the bottom,

00:04:48 ◼   ► if that makes sense.

00:04:49 ◼   ► And I don't know, I don't know if I need fewer things

00:04:52 ◼   ► to go to the lock screen or maybe we need to try this.

00:04:54 ◼   ► - What do you mean?

00:04:55 ◼   ► - This minimal version like.

00:04:56 ◼   ► - What are you losing?

00:04:57 ◼   ► - 'Cause say like I get a reminder of like,

00:04:58 ◼   ► hey, do this at 3 p.m.

00:05:01 ◼   ► - Yeah.

00:05:02 ◼   ► - I feel like in the old version where notifications

00:05:04 ◼   ► took up more space on the screen,

00:05:07 ◼   ► that wanna get lost in the other notifications

00:05:09 ◼   ► I have coming in it was like easier to scan what I had, you know missed over the last little bit of time

00:05:15 ◼   ► But now because you really only see two or three and then they stack up and good and like fall off the bottom

00:05:21 ◼   ► I don't know. Maybe I just have an internalized thing to swipe up and see more of them something about it

00:05:26 ◼   ► They're like I see fewer of them and that's not great the way that I've had my phone set up in the past

00:05:31 ◼   ► Okay, I mean I you know, I I don't know what's happening there for you

00:05:39 ◼   ► but I understand what you're saying but like I don't get that.

00:05:45 ◼   ► So I don't know.

00:05:46 ◼   ► I don't know do you spend a lot of time like pulling on the notification thing to see what's

00:05:51 ◼   ► under there?

00:05:52 ◼   ► Never.

00:05:53 ◼   ► I need to internalize that a little more.

00:05:54 ◼   ► Yeah well there you go then.

00:05:55 ◼   ► You've got to internalize that.

00:05:56 ◼   ► That's what's going on for you.

00:05:57 ◼   ► So there's count, stack, and list.

00:05:59 ◼   ► Maybe I'll try list for a while.

00:06:01 ◼   ► I had it on stack.

00:06:03 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:06:04 ◼   ► one of those things where, okay, so in iOS 16, settings, notifications, display as, you

00:06:11 ◼   ► have count, stack and list, there was no explanation about what those things do or look like. And

00:06:16 ◼   ► there really should be. Like, how would you how do you know what those are?

00:06:20 ◼   ► Yeah, I, because I tried to turn it on the count one for a while, and it didn't seem

00:06:25 ◼   ► to do anything. But it wasn't until there was a new notification that I realized what

00:06:30 ◼   ► count meant. Right? So yeah, I agree. But again, this is better, right? Like I could

00:06:36 ◼   ► imagine they'll put it at the bottom of that screen, show you what it looks like. They've

00:06:39 ◼   ► done that kind of stuff in notifications before. Like maybe it's just not, they just haven't

00:06:43 ◼   ► built that part out yet because it is a bit odd.

00:06:45 ◼   ► A little bit strange.

00:06:47 ◼   ► But I do really like it. I like this feature a lot. I'm a big fan.

00:06:51 ◼   ► We just celebrated World Emoji Day. Happy birthday, Jeremy. This is when draft emoji

00:06:59 ◼   ► are released.

00:07:00 ◼   ► People always ask, are you gonna play "The Jeremy's?"

00:07:02 ◼   ► Which if you're not familiar, "The Jeremy's" are the game

00:07:05 ◼   ► where we show Federico pictures of new emoji

00:07:08 ◼   ► and he tries to guess the names

00:07:10 ◼   ► to usually hilarious outcomes.

00:07:12 ◼   ► We will play that game whenever Apple announces

00:07:15 ◼   ► their artwork for this.

00:07:17 ◼   ► So the Emojipedia artwork is draft artwork.

00:07:20 ◼   ► It's meant to be an example.

00:07:22 ◼   ► And some of Apple's artwork usually ends up looking

00:07:24 ◼   ► like Emojipedia is to a degree.

00:07:26 ◼   ► Sometimes it doesn't, just depends.

00:07:28 ◼   ► But whenever Apple announces there's probably this, maybe like in the later this year, early next year, we will play the game.

00:07:36 ◼   ► I've lost track because I know it's changed like of when we will expect it.

00:07:41 ◼   ► Like I can't remember anymore.

00:07:43 ◼   ► What I will say, dear listener, if you're one of the people who's like, when do they play that game?

00:07:49 ◼   ► Don't worry, because Steven didn't know either.

00:07:51 ◼   ► And now it's in the Google Doc for all time.

00:07:53 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:07:54 ◼   ► Steven text me and asked me, do we do this now?

00:07:57 ◼   ► I'm like, nope, 'cause I remember having thought this way

00:08:01 ◼   ► sometime last year and I checked it.

00:08:03 ◼   ► Now we just do this when actually Apple,

00:08:07 ◼   ► it's when Apple releases their imagery as well.

00:08:10 ◼   ► Like, so we have to wait for that part to occur

00:08:13 ◼   ► and that can sometimes be before it reaches iOS

00:08:16 ◼   ► or maybe it's at the same time or whatever.

00:08:18 ◼   ► And it's when they release the full set.

00:08:21 ◼   ► So basically we're always waiting for Emojipedia

00:08:24 ◼   ► to publish their article of like, here's all the emoji,

00:08:27 ◼   ► which they're always have been first in the past.

00:08:29 ◼   ► Yeah. And Federico stay sequestered from all emoji news.

00:08:33 ◼   ► I noticed John linked to this news on max stories.

00:08:36 ◼   ► Federico can't touch it.

00:08:39 ◼   ► You know that that could just be like Federico logging in as John, right?

00:08:42 ◼   ► There's also a possibility.

00:08:43 ◼   ► Yeah, but I like to think that our friend has full integrity when it comes to

00:08:47 ◼   ► this.

00:08:47 ◼   ► Yep. He does take these things very, very seriously. So he does.

00:08:50 ◼   ► There's some weird ones in this proposal,

00:08:54 ◼   ► but you can go and look at those for yourself.

00:08:56 ◼   ► Yeah, we can't really talk about it.

00:08:57 ◼   ► Odd choices in here, as there always is.

00:09:00 ◼   ► There's fewer and fewer things to do as time goes on.

00:09:03 ◼   ► So they're gonna get stranger.

00:09:05 ◼   ► Well, I guess.

00:09:06 ◼   ► He's definitely not gonna know what some of these are.

00:09:07 ◼   ► No.

00:09:08 ◼   ► I don't know what some of these are.

00:09:10 ◼   ► No.

00:09:11 ◼   ► No.

00:09:12 ◼   ► If you're wondering why we do this on July 17th,

00:09:14 ◼   ► why is World Emoji Day when it is,

00:09:16 ◼   ► I wrote a piece over on 512 last week

00:09:19 ◼   ► about the reason is July 17th

00:09:23 ◼   ► and the reason the calendar emoji has July 17th

00:09:26 ◼   ► is because that was the day in 2002

00:09:29 ◼   ► that Apple introduced iCal and it shipped later that year.

00:09:33 ◼   ► But its icon used July 17th as an Easter egg

00:09:36 ◼   ► from when it was announced.

00:09:37 ◼   ► Just like how on iPhone imagery from Apple,

00:09:41 ◼   ► the time is always set to 9/41.

00:09:43 ◼   ► That's about the time in the keynote

00:09:45 ◼   ► when Steve Jobs announced it.

00:09:47 ◼   ► That's kind of like a fun Easter egg.

00:09:49 ◼   ► And of course now the icon changes

00:09:51 ◼   ► with the current date all the time, but some history there.

00:09:55 ◼   ► So I wrote that up and shared it.

00:09:57 ◼   ► Happy World Emoji Day, everybody.

00:09:59 ◼   ► - Yeah, 'cause obviously the next part is like,

00:10:02 ◼   ► the first emoji that Apple made for the calendar

00:10:08 ◼   ► also included that date on it.

00:10:10 ◼   ► So then when Jeremy was looking to celebrate

00:10:12 ◼   ► and create World Emoji Day, chose that date.

00:10:15 ◼   ► And since then, a lot of third party manufacturers

00:10:18 ◼   ► have changed their calendar emoji to include the date on it, which I think

00:10:22 ◼   ► that kind of stuff is very funny.

00:10:23 ◼   ► Yeah, me too.

00:10:24 ◼   ► Because now they've been dragged along because Apple wanted to do it this way.

00:10:29 ◼   ► I got some news for you, Myke.

00:10:31 ◼   ► Okay.

00:10:32 ◼   ► Relay FM merch store is back.

00:10:34 ◼   ► Wait, what?

00:10:36 ◼   ► Do you remember in Titanic and the lady's like, it's been 82 years.

00:10:41 ◼   ► That's how I feel about the Relay merch store.

00:10:43 ◼   ► Uh huh.

00:10:43 ◼   ► But we got shirts, baby.

00:10:45 ◼   ► We got four awesome new shirt designs.

00:10:48 ◼   ► These are network shirts.

00:10:49 ◼   ► You might be thinking people sell shirts all the time.

00:10:52 ◼   ► Shows sell their own shirts and Relay FM,

00:10:56 ◼   ► the the global brand as we are now, I just decided.

00:11:00 ◼   ► We now have our own permanent merch store, which you can go to relay.fm/store

00:11:05 ◼   ► and you will find that we have four shirts that will be on demand printing.

00:11:11 ◼   ► So you can go in whenever you want. There's no rush.

00:11:13 ◼   ► There's no like three weeks and then they're going to be gone forever.

00:11:16 ◼   ► You just go in, you order all you want, and it will be shipped to you by our friends at

00:11:20 ◼   ► the Cotton Bureau.

00:11:21 ◼   ► It's fantastic.

00:11:22 ◼   ► I've been corrected saying that it's 84 years.

00:11:25 ◼   ► My apologies to the Titanic.

00:11:27 ◼   ► You know who would have corrected you?

00:11:29 ◼   ► Federico.

00:11:30 ◼   ► Because he friggin loves that movie.

00:11:32 ◼   ► He is big into Titanic.

00:11:34 ◼   ► I think I heard him say recently he has or is waiting to get the Blu-ray.

00:11:38 ◼   ► Wow.

00:11:39 ◼   ► And he's like super excited about it.

00:11:41 ◼   ► I don't even think I've seen that movie.

00:11:44 ◼   ► What?

00:11:45 ◼   ► I think I saw it once a long time ago, I don't remember it.

00:11:47 ◼   ► I saw it in theaters as a kid.

00:11:50 ◼   ► I don't think my parents were aware there was nudity in it.

00:11:52 ◼   ► Yeah, I don't think that was appropriate.

00:11:54 ◼   ► Like, just for a bunch of reasons I know it's appropriate.

00:11:56 ◼   ► Like, well I saw Jurassic Park in theaters.

00:12:00 ◼   ► The guy gets eaten off the toilet.

00:12:02 ◼   ► It was terrifying.

00:12:03 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:12:03 ◼   ► I actually spent a lot of the movie facing the other direction.

00:12:08 ◼   ► Mmm.

00:12:08 ◼   ► Because I couldn't handle the dinosaurs.

00:12:11 ◼   ► but I could see in the like projection, I could see what was going on.

00:12:16 ◼   ► So I could see it very small,

00:12:17 ◼   ► which was much more manageable for me than seeing it big on the screen.

00:12:22 ◼   ► Big money hack it.

00:12:23 ◼   ► It's me.

00:12:25 ◼   ► How's your Kickstarter going?

00:12:26 ◼   ► It's good. As of this recording, we have 15 days left.

00:12:30 ◼   ► So we're halfway through.

00:12:32 ◼   ► Who's this we? Who's this we?

00:12:33 ◼   ► The collective 811 people who have backed us so far.

00:12:37 ◼   ► Oh, you got consider it like it's all of your project.

00:12:41 ◼   ► We are now the whole world 812 people so far. Thank you all. Yeah, 15 days to go. So we're in

00:12:50 ◼   ► the you know, getting ready to be in the back half of the campaign, which is exciting. I this week

00:12:54 ◼   ► shared the artwork for the stickers. So our friend jelly who does some other stuff for us. If you've

00:13:01 ◼   ► seen the stickers we use for the podcast, a thon last year of like the mic and Steven heads, he did

00:13:06 ◼   ► all that our work. He did the stickers for last year's campaign and people loved them. So we did

00:13:11 ◼   ► four more for the campaign this year. There's a trash can Mac Pro with a broom next to it,

00:13:19 ◼   ► as if it's an actual trash can, which is hilarious. When it has a little lid, it's so good. There's a

00:13:26 ◼   ► 20th anniversary Mac claim show iBook and then a very happy first generation iPod being snuggled by

00:13:35 ◼   ► its own headphones. They're very good. Jelly's very talented. Yes, they're so awesome. So yes,

00:13:41 ◼   ► if you have been on the fence, you only got two weeks left, so hop on in, the water's fine. Man,

00:13:47 ◼   ► Kickstarter campaigns, they last so long, right? It feels like a lot, like, emotionally to handle.

00:13:53 ◼   ► It does not feel that way to me. 30 days? It's just like a lot of time to be like,

00:13:59 ◼   ► just checking the thing. That's true. It's open on my phone and my Mac just all the

00:14:05 ◼   ► the time. But yeah, time's ticking away. And I'm we're at

00:14:08 ◼   ► hard at work in the background getting stuff ready. So very

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00:15:57 ◼   ► connected and supporting all of relay FM? I'm hopping mad Steven. Oh no! I'm hopping mad.

00:16:04 ◼   ► My picture in picture is broken on YouTube. Oh that's the worst. And I know how this happened

00:16:11 ◼   ► and I'm it makes me even more hopping mad. So I opted into the beta feature that they had

00:16:17 ◼   ► a number of months ago right? You could if you were a premium subscriber you could opt into a

00:16:22 ◼   ► a beta and you'd get picture in picture and that beta has stopped but it just

00:16:27 ◼   ► seemed like everybody well by and large it seemed like people that had opted in

00:16:31 ◼   ► they just kept the feature yeah that's how it worked for me a couple of days

00:16:34 ◼   ► ago there was like a thing popped up in my YouTube it's like try out this new

00:16:37 ◼   ► beta feature and there's some nonsense but I was like all right I'll go see

00:16:42 ◼   ► what it's about just me looking at that took away the picture in picture they

00:16:47 ◼   ► didn't tell me this but it just stopped working and doing some searching on

00:16:51 ◼   ► Twitter which is where I always go for these kinds of things.

00:16:53 ◼   ► Yes.

00:16:54 ◼   ► It basically said that people would like, they tried out a new one of these beta features

00:16:59 ◼   ► and it removed picture-in-picture. So, and this is the weird, the second part that annoys

00:17:05 ◼   ► me is Google has announced that they are rolling out picture-in-picture for all premium subscribers

00:17:11 ◼   ► starting July 11th. Why is it like, what is, why not just enable it? Like what's gonna

00:17:17 ◼   ► happen?

00:17:18 ◼   ► It's not like it's extra server load to have picture-in-picture.

00:17:21 ◼   ► It changes nothing to them. Just enable the feature.

00:17:24 ◼   ► Yeah, it's bad.

00:17:25 ◼   ► I don't know why.

00:17:26 ◼   ► So someone's a server in the Discord saying,

00:17:28 ◼   ► "You can enable it again by disabling the other beta

00:17:30 ◼   ► that you're enrolled in."

00:17:31 ◼   ► Tried that, doesn't work.

00:17:32 ◼   ► So now I'm just like every day checking my settings

00:17:36 ◼   ► to be like, "Is today the day

00:17:38 ◼   ► that they're going to add this setting back to my account?"

00:17:40 ◼   ► (laughing)

00:17:41 ◼   ► No, and I've tried,

00:17:43 ◼   ► sometimes you can force these things a little bit

00:17:46 ◼   ► by deleting the app and reinstalling, right?

00:17:49 ◼   ► I don't know why, but I've had this happen

00:17:51 ◼   ► some apps before like it seems to like push you forward through the process but no that

00:17:56 ◼   ► has not worked and I'm really annoyed about this because I use it so much like I use this

00:18:00 ◼   ► feature so so much and I find it very frustrating now that when I am watching a video and I

00:18:06 ◼   ► want to go like when I have it on in the background I always still want to be able to very quickly

00:18:11 ◼   ► access the video even if I'll hide it you know sometimes I hide it and then something

00:18:15 ◼   ► happens in like a podcast that I'm listening to I consume a lot of podcasts on YouTube

00:18:19 ◼   ► It's just what I do now. I want to be able to tap it, you know, and see what

00:18:25 ◼   ► has happened that people are laughing about. And I can't because now I have to

00:18:29 ◼   ► open up the YouTube app again. It's very annoying and I just don't get it YouTube.

00:18:33 ◼   ► Like what is what is wrong with you? Like I don't know why it took them so long to

00:18:39 ◼   ► put this feature in the first place. Like and now I don't understand why they're

00:18:43 ◼   ► taking this, as they call it, very slow rollout of this feature to premium subscribers.

00:18:49 ◼   ► It's so frustrating.

00:18:50 ◼   ► *sigh*

00:18:52 ◼   ► Yeah, it was weird that it was in a beta for premium. Like I... it was... it's annoying.

00:18:57 ◼   ► It's a great feature.

00:18:59 ◼   ► I understand why they've given it to premium because one of their issues is like the ads,

00:19:05 ◼   ► right? Because like I can imagine it's not as easy to serve ads with the picture in picture

00:19:11 ◼   ► thing. So if you just give it to premium people, they don't get ads anyway. So like, fine,

00:19:14 ◼   ► it works, right? Yeah. It's just really, it just, I find it very frustrating.

00:19:17 ◼   ► That's a bummer.

00:19:18 ◼   ► So like, I don't know how long it's going to take before I get access to this feature

00:19:22 ◼   ► and I'm finding it really annoying and I'm hopping mad about it.

00:19:26 ◼   ► You have a MacBook Air.

00:19:27 ◼   ► Oh, I do have a MacBook Air.

00:19:29 ◼   ► And I want to talk to you about it. I know you've only had it a couple of days.

00:19:32 ◼   ► Uh, yep. A day and a half.

00:19:34 ◼   ► I would love to hear your, uh, your thoughts as they are so far.

00:19:38 ◼   ► Okay, so I have a midnight M2 MacBook Air that has an 8 core CPU, 10 core GPU, 8GB of

00:19:48 ◼   ► RAM, 512GB of SSD storage.

00:19:52 ◼   ► Maybe when you hear me describe that you realize I didn't pick this, this is what Apple sent

00:19:56 ◼   ► me because this is not the configuration that I would choose.

00:20:00 ◼   ► I don't know why they chose to send me 8GB of RAM, but they did, but I got the 512GB

00:20:06 ◼   ► the 256 SSD probably so the storage would be fast.

00:20:09 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:20:10 ◼   ► Because they have that thing with the 256 SSD.

00:20:13 ◼   ► But it seems like they were very forthright when talking about that.

00:20:18 ◼   ► Like there were a bunch of reviews who mentioned it and mentioned it like haven't been confirmed

00:20:22 ◼   ► by Apple that it's the same as the MacBook Pro.

00:20:26 ◼   ► You know for a bunch of reasons like the 256 is not worth it anyway and this is another

00:20:31 ◼   ► reason.

00:20:32 ◼   ► 256GB of storage on a laptop is not enough and I know that it makes the computer a couple

00:20:38 ◼   ► of hundred dollars more expensive but it's worth it and now at least with the universal

00:20:42 ◼   ► memory system even if you got 8GB of RAM if you had a bit of storage space left in that

00:20:49 ◼   ► 512GB you could do swap right so you could benefit from even if you had lower RAM so

00:20:55 ◼   ► it really is worth getting the really it's this is a complicated machine to buy if you're

00:21:00 ◼   ► going to get a 256? It is I think kind of the optimal setup is the base CPU and

00:21:07 ◼   ► GPU 16 gigs of RAM and 512 gig SSD like that's kind of the base I think that's

00:21:14 ◼   ► makes it a livable machine especially if you're you know most people buying a

00:21:19 ◼   ► machine like this it's gonna be around for a long time and the 8 gigs and the

00:21:25 ◼   ► 256 it's just not gonna it's not gonna hold up I don't think I'm happy they

00:21:30 ◼   ► sent me midnight because I wanted to see it because I was really intrigued by

00:21:35 ◼   ► that color and like I can confirm like it's covered in fingerprints but I love

00:21:41 ◼   ► the color like and the fingerprints just does not bother me you know I can't

00:21:46 ◼   ► stand fingerprints on a screen that's the worst but I don't care about

00:21:52 ◼   ► fingerprints on the outside of the computer. But it doesn't affect me in any

00:21:56 ◼   ► way really. Yeah, how do you feel about the the blue? Like it in some lights in

00:22:02 ◼   ► some circumstances it feels very blue and in other times it doesn't. Like do

00:22:06 ◼   ► you like that sort of difference that it has? I mean I think the blue looks better

00:22:10 ◼   ► than the silver, the gray, and the starlight. Like in any way, right? If it

00:22:17 ◼   ► looks blue it looks better than them and if it looks black it looks better than

00:22:19 ◼   ► them yeah I think that yes the color does look different in different light

00:22:23 ◼   ► but so does space gray to me though right sometimes it looks silver and

00:22:27 ◼   ► sometimes it looks like dark silver sometimes like I have a space gray

00:22:33 ◼   ► MacBook Pro and very frequently I look at it and I don't know what color I own

00:22:40 ◼   ► if I've forgotten like I look and I'm like I what what color is this so I

00:22:44 ◼   ► silver or space grey but yeah so I've been using this machine in place of my

00:22:50 ◼   ► MacBook Pro so just as a refresher to people I have a fifth the 14 14 inch

00:22:56 ◼   ► MacBook Pro that is my main computer I put it in my bag take it to studio take

00:23:05 ◼   ► it home every day I use it at home not so much but I do use at home if it's a

00:23:09 ◼   ► if I'm gonna do any work that I'll grab it instead of using my iPad mini which I

00:23:13 ◼   ► use for basically everything else while I'm at home like reading and video and

00:23:18 ◼   ► all that kind of stuff and then I use the MacBook Pro while I'm at the studio

00:23:25 ◼   ► to do everything except recording and editing podcasts so all of my other work

00:23:31 ◼   ► it is the computer that I spend the most time on easy throughout my day I have

00:23:37 ◼   ► replaced that with the MacBook Air and have quickly come to learn that the

00:23:42 ◼   ► MacBook Air is a better computer for this than the MacBook Pro. Because of the

00:23:48 ◼   ► the thinness and lightness? The thinness and lightness. It is kind of incredible to

00:23:53 ◼   ► me how different this machine feels to just move around like picking up, putting

00:23:59 ◼   ► down, all that kind of stuff. It's really kind of incredible. Like I put it next to

00:24:03 ◼   ► my MacBook Pro. The MacBook Air is slightly thinner than the bottom part of

00:24:10 ◼   ► my MacBook Pro. So like if you if you open the MacBook Pro right you've got

00:24:14 ◼   ► the screen and then you've got like what the keyboard deck is on and then like

00:24:18 ◼   ► all of the rest of the machine right. The closed MacBook Air is thinner than that

00:24:23 ◼   ► part of my MacBook. -Predictulous. -Quite significant and whilst it is still not as

00:24:28 ◼   ► light as I want it to be like I want like 12 inch MacBook kind of lightness

00:24:34 ◼   ► right. This machine is incredibly light it feels I mean many people have said

00:24:40 ◼   ► this but it does feel more like an iPad than a Mac in its kind of thinness and lightness

00:24:48 ◼   ► and its kind of moveability. I am very taken by this computer. I've had it plugged into

00:24:55 ◼   ► my studio display for the last couple of days and I just did a migration from my MacBook

00:25:01 ◼   ► Pro and I mean migration assistance is great. I still find these weird little things like

00:25:07 ◼   ► backblaze gets really upset. It does. Because it, I understand, because like it

00:25:11 ◼   ► thinks it's the same computer and like and I think it does a good job where it

00:25:15 ◼   ► like it freezes the backup. And it walks you through how to fix it which is

00:25:19 ◼   ► very easy to fix. Yeah not a big deal. I prefer they do that then it go wrong

00:25:24 ◼   ► right? And then like I had a weird thing where like I had to change a bunch of

00:25:29 ◼   ► sentence in Alfred to get it to search stuff properly again because it was

00:25:33 ◼   ► thinking it was the other computer it was kind of weird but by and large

00:25:37 ◼   ► migration assistant is awesome like it's great it works so good and it's so fast

00:25:42 ◼   ► now with Thunderbolt oh yeah so fast and SSDs on both ends like it it rips yeah

00:25:47 ◼   ► it's I think I was transferring I think I said like 1700 megabytes per second

00:25:52 ◼   ► pretty good point and so it moved everything real quick especially because

00:25:56 ◼   ► I don't I just uncheck Dropbox to move everything over because my Dropbox is

00:26:02 ◼   ► online right primarily I mean plus also this has significantly less storage space than

00:26:08 ◼   ► my MacBook Pro like I would not have been able to fit everything I had downloaded from

00:26:13 ◼   ► Dropbox onto this computer.

00:26:16 ◼   ► So yeah I mean I don't really know what else to say other than that it's the computer you

00:26:22 ◼   ► would expect it to be right like trackpad's great, keyboard's great, the screen is perfectly

00:26:29 ◼   ► fine. The biggest thing that I noticed is the brightness. Like it is not as bright as my MacBook

00:26:34 ◼   ► Pro. ProMotion stuff I don't feel like I notice very much on laptops. I notice it on my phone

00:26:40 ◼   ► the most. But yeah I've been using it on my studio display with all of the apps open that I would

00:26:45 ◼   ► usually have which is lots of apps for me. I always have lots of apps open and it's been working great.

00:26:50 ◼   ► This has been doing a better job than my M1 MacBook Pro did because I used to have problems

00:26:56 ◼   ► of that all the time where it would hit RAM limits and stuff. And I had 16 gigabytes of

00:27:01 ◼   ► RAM on that machine. So I think maybe Apple's done some work optimizing Mac OS.

00:27:08 ◼   ► Maybe. I had that happen for the first time ever the other day and it was because Calendar

00:27:13 ◼   ► was taking like a terabyte of memory. I got 64 gigs of the stuff. What are you doing?

00:27:19 ◼   ► But I also mean, I have 16 gigabytes of memory on my M1 iMac and I never have that problem

00:27:26 ◼   ► It seemed to be just on that MacBook Pro. I had some kind of memory leak issue, I think.

00:27:31 ◼   ► The thing about the thinness in particular, you know, there was that article we talked

00:27:39 ◼   ► about last week where Apple says they designed the MacBook Pro and the MacBook Air at the

00:27:44 ◼   ► same time. They obviously look that way, right? Like it's the same kind of design language.

00:27:50 ◼   ► And I was actually I'm actually surprised at how well that design language translated

00:27:56 ◼   ► to a much thinner machine.

00:27:58 ◼   ► I think it looks great.

00:28:01 ◼   ► What I like about the current lineup discounting the M2 13 inch MacBook Pro because that machine

00:28:09 ◼   ► is just an oddball.

00:28:10 ◼   ► But if you look at the pros, the real MacBook Pros and this new Air, like Apple seems content

00:28:15 ◼   ► again to let the consumer machine be consumer II and let the pro machine be what pros want

00:28:23 ◼   ► and need. And in the let's call it the USB C touch bar era, you know, from 2015 2016

00:28:31 ◼   ► up till now, really the the the differences between the air and the pro weren't that important,

00:28:38 ◼   ► right? Okay, you had more ports, you had the touch bar, and they were faster, right? They

00:28:43 ◼   ► were more powerful. But now you have the pro with ports and features that aren't on the

00:28:50 ◼   ► consumer machine. And Apple seems fine with that with differences. And I think that's

00:28:55 ◼   ► good because it actually gives people it gives people better options, right when you're looking

00:29:00 ◼   ► we talked about this a ton during this time period, but you know, if you were looking

00:29:05 ◼   ► to buy a consumer notebook, four years ago, it's like we have the MacBook and you had

00:29:11 ◼   ► the MacBook Air which is old and then you have the 13 inch MacBook Pro with no

00:29:17 ◼   ► touch bar you know dubbed the escape like it was a confusing mess and the the

00:29:23 ◼   ► lines between what this machine is and what this other machine isn't weren't

00:29:28 ◼   ► always clear I like now that they are clear and I think the thinness is part

00:29:33 ◼   ► of it right it's yeah you're trading performance and you're trading some

00:29:37 ◼   ► ports, but this machine is cheaper and it's thinner and lighter. And if those are the

00:29:42 ◼   ► things you care about, you don't care about the other stuff so much. It's like the air

00:29:46 ◼   ► is a clearer when than it was before. And I find that to be pretty refreshing when like

00:29:52 ◼   ► thinking about this product line and talking about it with people even giving advice to

00:29:55 ◼   ► people trying to buy something. I feel like yeah, it's pretty clear there's sort of these

00:29:59 ◼   ► two paths you can take. You either get the really good consumer machine and there's some

00:30:04 ◼   ► and MOS and Pro machines, if that's what you need,

00:30:07 ◼   ► I think all that's much better than the situation

00:30:10 ◼   ► we were in a few years ago.

00:30:12 ◼   ► - I mean, I think it's becoming clearer, right?

00:30:15 ◼   ► Obviously the price part isn't yet,

00:30:17 ◼   ► but we've seen this before where new products

00:30:20 ◼   ► enter the lineup and they're state of the art

00:30:23 ◼   ► and they're more expensive

00:30:24 ◼   ► and it takes some time for that to change.

00:30:27 ◼   ► Like I think the real clear one for a lot of us

00:30:30 ◼   ► is the first Retina MacBook Pro.

00:30:33 ◼   ► - Yeah.

00:30:33 ◼   ► was really expensive compared to the others.

00:30:37 ◼   ► And it was a big gap between that

00:30:39 ◼   ► and that lasted for a while,

00:30:40 ◼   ► but it ended up eventually getting weeded out.

00:30:43 ◼   ► And like, we're gonna get there, you know?

00:30:45 ◼   ► It's like similarly, like you can't get any other size

00:30:48 ◼   ► of non-new MacBook Pros, only one of them, right?

00:30:53 ◼   ► The 13.

00:30:55 ◼   ► And that's gonna go away eventually.

00:30:56 ◼   ► And eventually the MacBook Air is gonna go away

00:31:00 ◼   ► and we'll end up with just this design,

00:31:04 ◼   ► but it will take a few years or whatever,

00:31:05 ◼   ► for whatever reasons that might be.

00:31:08 ◼   ► But like, this is an expensive computer.

00:31:10 ◼   ► - Yeah, it's not a $1,000 laptop.

00:31:13 ◼   ► It's for a decent one, a $1,400 or $1,600 laptop.

00:31:18 ◼   ► - Yeah, I did have like a thought,

00:31:19 ◼   ► 'cause I was like, I was looking at,

00:31:21 ◼   ► if I price one of these out,

00:31:23 ◼   ► was it what it would cost me for what I want?

00:31:26 ◼   ► And it's like 2,100 pounds.

00:31:28 ◼   ► - Yep.

00:31:29 ◼   ► And I'm like, man, things were cheaper

00:31:33 ◼   ► when I was buying iOS devices.

00:31:34 ◼   ► (laughing)

00:31:36 ◼   ► Right?

00:31:37 ◼   ► But I did have the thought today though,

00:31:38 ◼   ► of in the long run, I think I'll win

00:31:41 ◼   ► because I was spending like a thousand pounds a year

00:31:46 ◼   ► on a new iPad.

00:31:47 ◼   ► - Yeah.

00:31:48 ◼   ► - But I won't update these Macs for years,

00:31:52 ◼   ► would be my expectation, because we would,

00:31:56 ◼   ► I would feel the need to have the newest iPad

00:31:59 ◼   ► because it would have significant new features every year, right?

00:32:03 ◼   ► At least hardware features.

00:32:04 ◼   ► Yes, up until a certain point, right?

00:32:07 ◼   ► Which is why I didn't update some of my iPad, like one of my iPad Pros I was still running

00:32:11 ◼   ► the 2018 version, like the 11 inch, which I was using frequently, but I just hadn't

00:32:17 ◼   ► updated it because there wasn't a particular need to.

00:32:19 ◼   ► And I figure in the Mac line, all the new stuff is happening right now and then it's

00:32:24 ◼   ► going to be years before there's something that would make me want to upgrade is my expectation

00:32:29 ◼   ► of these machines because like new chips isn't it like when they update the MacBook Pro,

00:32:36 ◼   ► if they update the MacBook Pro this year with an M2 Pro I don't need that.

00:32:40 ◼   ► No.

00:32:41 ◼   ► Like I don't need it because my M1 Pro is so incredibly powerful so like I think you

00:32:45 ◼   ► know in the long run that I would end up probably making it back again in that sense like it

00:32:52 ◼   ► would like amortize over many years. Sure, that's a good business term. That's good.

00:32:56 ◼   ► So like I've been I've been in a bit of like unsure about my computer situation

00:33:03 ◼   ► at the studio for since I got the studio because things just kept changing right

00:33:07 ◼   ► around me from like COVID to computers that I was using to what travel meant

00:33:12 ◼   ► and all that kind of stuff. You didn't expect Apple to drop a yellow iMac and

00:33:16 ◼   ► blew up everything. Yeah, yeah, but really like that the yellow iMac, I bought the

00:33:22 ◼   ► yellow iMac as like a trophy of a personal goal which was to actually get

00:33:26 ◼   ► some Apple hardware on an in like before the before available to the

00:33:32 ◼   ► general public. So let me ask you this, so if you bought that iMac partially for

00:33:36 ◼   ► that is that a machine that you keep forever as like a collection item? Yeah.

00:33:39 ◼   ► Yes. Yeah it is, yeah. I was gonna say if you don't you need to ship it to me and

00:33:43 ◼   ► I'll keep it here for you. That could also be an option if I don't want to

00:33:47 ◼   ► keep it around. It could be on loan from Myke Hurley. I'll send it with a

00:33:54 ◼   ► little plaque that you can put next to it. But my expectation is I'll keep this. So here's what

00:33:58 ◼   ► I'm thinking right now is the iMac will go home and become a home computer with

00:34:09 ◼   ► of like multiple people having an account on it and stuff like like these machines as

00:34:15 ◼   ► opposed to but in a way that I have never had a computer before.

00:34:18 ◼   ► Yeah. I mean you could set it up where like unity now can both log into it. Yeah. You

00:34:24 ◼   ► know you could have photos downloaded to it. You could have as backups like a home computer.

00:34:30 ◼   ► It's a good thing like an actual home computer that never turns off right like just goes

00:34:34 ◼   ► to sleep or whatever and yeah you can put it in a desk called the computer desk. Do

00:34:37 ◼   ► Do you have those growing up? We had one. Oh yeah, the computer desk and it had like

00:34:41 ◼   ► a place for the tower. I had a computer desk with a bed on the top. What? You know, so

00:34:47 ◼   ► it was like a bunk bed. Okay. But the bottom bunk was a computer desk. I was very confused

00:34:52 ◼   ► for a second. I was like, why is there a bed on the desk? You heat the bed with the computer.

00:34:58 ◼   ► And so what I'm thinking is this goes home. Yeah. Where it was always eventually going

00:35:02 ◼   ► to go. My MacBook Pro comes to this desk and it is effectively at that point a desktop

00:35:10 ◼   ► computer. Sure. And then the MacBook Air takes the "this is my computer" mantle. Yeah, I

00:35:18 ◼   ► think that makes sense. And I become two laptops will be my computers. That's what I'm thinking.

00:35:23 ◼   ► The multi-macbook lifestyle. Because then I then have the flexibility, depending on

00:35:31 ◼   ► the type of trip that I take as to which laptop I take right if I'm gonna be

00:35:35 ◼   ► recording a bunch of shows while traveling then I could take the MacBook

00:35:38 ◼   ► Pro and then I have the most power with me at all times

00:35:42 ◼   ► crank through things quickly yeah if I'm not gonna be doing that I could take the

00:35:46 ◼   ► MacBook Air but then also the MacBook Air moves back and forth to me all the

00:35:49 ◼   ► time so I'm not settled on this I put an order in for a MacBook Air okay while I

00:35:56 ◼   ► decide because I wouldn't get it for like six or seven weeks right so but I'm

00:36:02 ◼   ► thinking about it I only have this MacBook Air from Apple for like two more

00:36:06 ◼   ► weeks or something it was a pretty short loan because they're in high demand so

00:36:10 ◼   ► I'm working it out but I think yeah we haven't got we haven't got the space for

00:36:17 ◼   ► these things you know people need them that's right I think your plan makes a

00:36:21 ◼   ► lot of sense and I think that the the MacBook Pro being sort of the desktop

00:36:26 ◼   ► like where work gets done I think that'd be pretty sweet. The only thing that

00:36:29 ◼   ► bothers me is I don't have a computer to sell to make some of the money back so

00:36:35 ◼   ► every time I update a Mac in my lineup I have something to sell and it pays at

00:36:40 ◼   ► least 50% of the price. Yeah that's a bummer. But this MacBook Air I have nothing I

00:36:44 ◼   ► have no computers to sell to help fund it which is bugging me because it's a

00:36:49 ◼   ► lot of money. The one we ordered gets here. It was supposed to be here Friday, but now

00:36:53 ◼   ► it's scheduled for Tuesday, I think. So it'll be okay. Be next week. And it's a silver one.

00:37:01 ◼   ► Basically loaded except for the high end GPU. That'll be Mary's machine. Are you going to

00:37:04 ◼   ► spend any time with it first? Or are you just going to set it up? Okay, no, I'm going to

00:37:07 ◼   ► spend a couple weeks with it. I'm running Ventura on my MacBook Pro. I don't think I'm

00:37:12 ◼   ► going to migrate. I think I'm just going to set up like some basic stuff on it and use

00:37:16 ◼   ► it around the house and I'll plan a writing review for 512 and then I will

00:37:21 ◼   ► do the migration dance around from her M1 MacBook Air to this one and set it up

00:37:29 ◼   ► for her and honestly I think I'm gonna because she uses it in one of those I

00:37:33 ◼   ► think 12 South makes it the book arc so what it's called it's like a curvy piece

00:37:38 ◼   ► of aluminum and it sits closed yeah I just bought one today because they've

00:37:43 ◼   ► I was wanting to get one for a while and they have now updated, like made a new insert.

00:37:50 ◼   ► Oh good, good.

00:37:52 ◼   ► For, right, for the new size of MacBook Pro.

00:37:56 ◼   ► So I actually just bought a book art today, the 12 South thing.

00:37:59 ◼   ► Oh yeah, there you go, looking on their site right now.

00:38:02 ◼   ► So I think this new MacBook Air will probably just fit in it.

00:38:06 ◼   ► If it doesn't, I mean, I think it'll be okay.

00:38:09 ◼   ► - They also said on their website that they are going

00:38:12 ◼   ► to make a new insert for that one.

00:38:15 ◼   ► - Okay, I'll keep an eye out for that then.

00:38:17 ◼   ► I'm gonna leave it using USB,

00:38:20 ◼   ► because she has a ultra fine 4K, the small one.

00:38:24 ◼   ► Right now, her MacBook Air charges for mid.

00:38:26 ◼   ► I'm gonna leave all that the same and just leave,

00:38:28 ◼   ► put the MagSafe just like in her desk drawer

00:38:31 ◼   ► so if she needs to use it elsewhere,

00:38:32 ◼   ► she can just take MagSafe with her.

00:38:34 ◼   ► But I'm just gonna basically just gonna drop it right in.

00:38:36 ◼   ► And I think I think if I did it without telling her,

00:38:40 ◼   ► I'm not I'm not sure she'd even notice a difference

00:38:42 ◼   ► for a while because that laptop stays docked 95% of the time.

00:38:47 ◼   ► I mean, she could use it.

00:38:48 ◼   ► In fact, when the M1 iMacs came out,

00:38:50 ◼   ► I asked her I was like, you know, these look really cool.

00:38:53 ◼   ► Is this something that you want to switch to?

00:38:54 ◼   ► 'Cause like you have a MacBook Air,

00:38:56 ◼   ► but it just never uses a laptop.

00:38:58 ◼   ► But she does occasionally like the flexibility of it.

00:39:01 ◼   ► So I don't want to take that away from her.

00:39:03 ◼   ► And that M1 has just been back there

00:39:05 ◼   ► behind that display for a long time chugging along. Yeah I just I haven't I

00:39:09 ◼   ► didn't even unwrap the charger and the MagSafe cable that was in the box it's

00:39:15 ◼   ► like oh yeah it's gonna be a pain to wrap this back up again just like like I

00:39:20 ◼   ► don't charge my MagSafe I have a MagSafe and it's great but because I'm using

00:39:25 ◼   ► these computers mostly at fixed positions right like I just plug in the

00:39:29 ◼   ► cable that goes to my studio display which charges ever charge my laptop

00:39:33 ◼   ► otherwise and if I ever need to I already have USB-C cables all over the place.

00:39:37 ◼   ► You know so if I was using it more as like a laptop I would like have that at a

00:39:42 ◼   ► desk but I don't think that that's a good thing to do anyway like if you're

00:39:45 ◼   ► using a laptop on a desk every day you should have a monitor or you should have

00:39:49 ◼   ► the laptop raised and use an external keyboard and mouse ergonomically that is

00:39:54 ◼   ► better for you but I'm happy that MagSafe is there like I keep it in my my

00:40:01 ◼   ► travel charging thing because I love it when I'm away because I could just that's

00:40:05 ◼   ► when I would use it it's just like a laptop on the desk right yeah like a

00:40:08 ◼   ► couple of days or whatever and magsafe is awesome for that but otherwise I USB C

00:40:14 ◼   ► is great I mean maybe I would use the USB sorry maybe I would use the magsafe

00:40:18 ◼   ► more with the MacBook Air because then I only have one USB C port available to me

00:40:24 ◼   ► and it's not really something I think about the MacBook Pro where I have a

00:40:27 ◼   ► bunch of them. Yeah, yeah, that may be nice. I mean, I do basically the same thing. My

00:40:32 ◼   ► magsafe is in my backpack. And I have a, I forget, it's a pretty big one. Pretty big

00:40:39 ◼   ► USB C charger on my desk plugged in and like the MacBook Pros plugged in or sometimes I

00:40:44 ◼   ► charge my iPad on it. So whatever needs to be charged. And around the house, we have

00:40:49 ◼   ► quite a few like behind the couch, I have a long lightning and a long USB C cable. And

00:40:54 ◼   ► And I can, you know, if I'm on the couch working,

00:40:56 ◼   ► I can plug my Macbook Pro into that.

00:40:59 ◼   ► I'm glad they kept USB-C charging in addition to MagSafe.

00:41:03 ◼   ► It's like really is like the best of all worlds

00:41:06 ◼   ► because you can charge with either one.

00:41:08 ◼   ► And if you're on the Pro, you can charge from either side,

00:41:10 ◼   ► which is nice in some situations

00:41:12 ◼   ► to be able to charge from the right-hand side.

00:41:14 ◼   ► And you do lose that with the Air

00:41:16 ◼   ► because MagSafe and both ports are on the left-hand side.

00:41:19 ◼   ► So if you're, you know, when you're setting up a Macbook Air

00:41:22 ◼   ► you have maybe fewer options exactly with placement

00:41:26 ◼   ► and that sort of thing.

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00:43:32 ◼   ► - So a couple of days ago, Apple Arcade,

00:43:36 ◼   ► the Apple Arcade page in the App Store,

00:43:39 ◼   ► gained a new category, a sad category.

00:43:42 ◼   ► - Yeah.

00:43:43 ◼   ► "Leaving Arcade Soon."

00:43:47 ◼   ► It's sad.

00:43:47 ◼   ► It's the name of this category. It's pretty sad.

00:43:50 ◼   ► There's a total of 15 games in this "Leaving Arcade Soon" category.

00:43:56 ◼   ► I looked through these.

00:43:57 ◼   ► I have either not played or not heard of any of these games.

00:44:01 ◼   ► Me neither.

00:44:02 ◼   ► I'm not saying that I am the harbinger of what's good on Apple Arcade.

00:44:06 ◼   ► I don't check Apple Arcade frequently.

00:44:09 ◼   ► Still, for me, with Apple Arcade, it's like if somebody...

00:44:11 ◼   ► If I see people talking about a game online, that's on Apple Arcade,

00:44:16 ◼   ► is kind of how I find out about stuff.

00:44:17 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:44:18 ◼   ► But for me, that has always been the way I find out about new iOS games.

00:44:21 ◼   ► Mm-hmm.

00:44:22 ◼   ► What has kind of come to light from reporting from MacRumors and others?

00:44:29 ◼   ► There's a Twitter account that I follow called,

00:44:32 ◼   ► I think it's like, Killer Arcade or something like that.

00:44:35 ◼   ► There's like a-- I'm going to find this.

00:44:37 ◼   ► There's like a really good--

00:44:38 ◼   ► There's a lot of these accounts that are really good in the game space.

00:44:42 ◼   ► Killacao is this Twitter account.

00:44:46 ◼   ► And they have always done a really good job of Apple Arcade reporting

00:44:49 ◼   ► right back from the beginning of Apple Arcade.

00:44:53 ◼   ► That they keep track of everything.

00:44:55 ◼   ► They have an air table, which you can go check out.

00:44:59 ◼   ► Fancy.

00:45:00 ◼   ► And they did some reporting as well, which corroborated what MacRumors had reported.

00:45:05 ◼   ► that this is the end of the original three year deal that a bunch of developers got when

00:45:10 ◼   ► Apple Arcade launched. Or like they were given this deal at launch but maybe their game came

00:45:16 ◼   ► later but this is the end of that three year original deal. And so it would appear that

00:45:22 ◼   ► these 15 are the 15 games from that original set of deals that Apple have decided they

00:45:28 ◼   ► no longer want to renew with. So my expectation here is that these are the games that have

00:45:34 ◼   ► not seen a lot of interaction or playtime or buzz about them from that original set.

00:45:41 ◼   ► Now from a developer perspective I actually think this is pretty good because all of these

00:45:46 ◼   ► developers retain the rights to these games even in the instances it seems where they

00:45:51 ◼   ► were made for Apple Arcade like Apple commissioned them into existence which is the case with

00:45:56 ◼   ► some of these games not all of them like just in general with Apple Arcade sometimes a game

00:45:59 ◼   ► is being developed and Apple buys it basically like quote unquote buys it or in other cases

00:46:05 ◼   ► like Apple like people came to Apple with an idea and Apple gave them a bunch of money

00:46:09 ◼   ► as a producer to go and make that game. But it seems like these developers are all retaining

00:46:14 ◼   ► the right set of games. So in that instance, a couple of things can happen. They can be

00:46:19 ◼   ► relaunched on the App Store or elsewhere. Like a lot of Apple Arcade games pop up on

00:46:24 ◼   ► other places. They can't pop up in other mobile subscriptions or on Android in general but they

00:46:30 ◼   ► can pop up on say like Nintendo Switch or something and that happens quite a bit. But now people could

00:46:35 ◼   ► go ahead and do it. Hey you could maybe get Netflix to give you money. Netflix does this now.

00:46:39 ◼   ► They like, if you have a Netflix subscription there's like a bunch of games that you can get

00:46:42 ◼   ► that are like standalone games on iOS. They just did a, what was the name of the game that they

00:46:48 ◼   ► just there's a game there's a strategy game into the breach which is a really

00:46:53 ◼   ► great game that's been on PC I think and now it's on iOS via the Netflix thing

00:47:03 ◼   ► it's a fantastic strategy game into the breach really really good I don't know

00:47:08 ◼   ► why Netflix is doing it I know why Netflix is doing this but I don't know

00:47:11 ◼   ► what they think it's gonna get for them we'll see but like you get it for free

00:47:15 ◼   ► if you're a Netflix subscriber so you just log in and you get access to this

00:47:18 ◼   ► game. They're doing the thing that Microsoft wouldn't do which I'd we know

00:47:22 ◼   ► like Apple wanted Microsoft to put all of their individual game titles like all

00:47:27 ◼   ► their titles as individual games rather than just having an Xbox Game Pass app

00:47:32 ◼   ► but Netflix is for some reason doing wanted to do it this way these are all

00:47:36 ◼   ► individual games and then you sign in with them because they're not cloud

00:47:39 ◼   ► streaming like Microsoft would have wanted to so I guess it maybe works a

00:47:42 ◼   ► bit better for them this way. So it's good for the developers but what's bad

00:47:45 ◼   ► for is bad for consumers if you play these Apple arcade games you will no

00:47:50 ◼   ► longer have access to these games and it appears that unless the developer does

00:47:55 ◼   ► something you won't get access to any saved content or trance or like game

00:48:01 ◼   ► progress progress it's all gonna lose you're gonna lose it if they relaunch

00:48:05 ◼   ► on iOS unless the developer does some thing you can't is possible I've seen

00:48:09 ◼   ► this done before you installed the new app and it takes the information from

00:48:14 ◼   ► the old app but that's got to happen before these games leave Apple Arcade so

00:48:20 ◼   ► I don't know what's gonna happen maybe we'll see over the next number of weeks

00:48:25 ◼   ► if any developers can do it quickly but they've got to do it before I mean I'm

00:48:30 ◼   ► intrigued to see what happens like do these games just delete from your phone

00:48:35 ◼   ► like what happens it's you know there's a little bit of a disincentive for

00:48:40 ◼   ► developers to even do that because Apple Arcade there's no in-app purchase

00:48:44 ◼   ► And if you relaunch this as something with an app purchase,

00:48:49 ◼   ► like how do you map that over?

00:48:52 ◼   ► Right?

00:48:53 ◼   ► There's a lot of weird edge cases there.

00:48:56 ◼   ► And these, I mean, this is really a good reminder

00:48:58 ◼   ► that Apple Arcade apps and games, like,

00:49:00 ◼   ► I mean, they are real apps,

00:49:01 ◼   ► like they're really on your phone, you're really playing them

00:49:03 ◼   ► but in a way they're kind of like streamed content.

00:49:05 ◼   ► Like these will just go away.

00:49:08 ◼   ► My guess is that the icon will be like grayed out

00:49:10 ◼   ► in your phone, you tap it and it'll say, you know,

00:49:12 ◼   ► this is no longer available in Apple Arcade or something.

00:49:15 ◼   ► I don't think they're gonna just yank them off the phone

00:49:17 ◼   ► and leave people wondering what happened, but--

00:49:20 ◼   ► Either way, it's not great, right?

00:49:22 ◼   ► Yeah, it's a bummer to see it.

00:49:24 ◼   ► I mean, at the end of the day, it is business,

00:49:26 ◼   ► and if these weren't working for Apple for whatever reason,

00:49:29 ◼   ► I just don't know, like, why would Apple

00:49:32 ◼   ► wanna get rid of anything from Apple Arcade?

00:49:34 ◼   ► Like, even if something wasn't performing well,

00:49:36 ◼   ► I mean, I guess, are they paying developers

00:49:38 ◼   ► to keep their games Apple Arcade only?

00:49:40 ◼   ► Oh, yeah.

00:49:41 ◼   ► So maybe, so it's the bottom line.

00:49:43 ◼   ► - My expectation is all of the other developers

00:49:46 ◼   ► just got a renewal in their contract.

00:49:47 ◼   ► - And these people didn't.

00:49:48 ◼   ► - And like they got paid more money.

00:49:50 ◼   ► Yeah, and these people, these were the ones that didn't.

00:49:52 ◼   ► So like, of the games where they were

00:49:54 ◼   ► that original three year,

00:49:56 ◼   ► they probably just renegotiated with them

00:49:59 ◼   ► and gave them more money.

00:50:00 ◼   ► These are the games that Apple

00:50:02 ◼   ► doesn't want to give more money to

00:50:03 ◼   ► because these were probably the ones that didn't get any,

00:50:07 ◼   ► that didn't get past the actual amount of engagement

00:50:11 ◼   ► that Apple were looking for.

00:50:12 ◼   ► Like, do you remember that thing, that report,

00:50:13 ◼   ► where they were looking to try and find games

00:50:15 ◼   ► that were more engaging?

00:50:16 ◼   ► And people thought that it was gonna be bad,

00:50:19 ◼   ► but it seems like the quality is still maintained,

00:50:22 ◼   ► but they've just broadened the amount of types of games

00:50:24 ◼   ► that they'll have.

00:50:25 ◼   ► But these are the ones that maybe didn't pass that.

00:50:28 ◼   ► I mean, this is a shame, but it's business.

00:50:33 ◼   ► - Yeah.

00:50:34 ◼   ► - All of these developers, I would say,

00:50:37 ◼   ► probably got a pretty good deal out of this.

00:50:39 ◼   ► If you are one of these developers and you didn't,

00:50:41 ◼   ► and you want to let me know, get in contact with me,

00:50:43 ◼   ► you could tell me.

00:50:44 ◼   ► But my expectation is a bunch of people

00:50:47 ◼   ► got to make their game because of this.

00:50:49 ◼   ► And the fact that Apple isn't retaining any rights,

00:50:52 ◼   ► it seems, that just seems like a win.

00:50:56 ◼   ► And you got to make your game.

00:50:57 ◼   ► And I'm sure that helped.

00:50:59 ◼   ► I mean, maybe it's tricky for you

00:51:00 ◼   ► if you were hoping to get that renewal, right?

00:51:03 ◼   ► Like money wise.

00:51:04 ◼   ► But that's game development.

00:51:06 ◼   ► that's what it's like. This is what happens. The thing is, maybe you made it impossible to know.

00:51:12 ◼   ► This stuff comes up a lot with Xbox Game Pass and the PlayStation 3 games that they do and stuff,

00:51:18 ◼   ► but you may have made more money this way with Apple than if you put it out there on your own,

00:51:24 ◼   ► because Apple also would have done some marketing for you and you're in that tab for a while,

00:51:30 ◼   ► especially when there weren't a lot of games there. How well would you have done without that?

00:51:34 ◼   ► Like if you were just going out there into the big bad world of trying to get people

00:51:37 ◼   ► to know about your game, like it's likely that you probably got some money.

00:51:44 ◼   ► As Vidit says in the chat, and it is a good point, it is possible maybe developers didn't

00:51:49 ◼   ► want to renew the contract as well.

00:51:50 ◼   ► Like it's probably a bit of both.

00:51:54 ◼   ► It may be in some cases, like I don't know.

00:51:57 ◼   ► I expect it's some or one, some or the other.

00:52:02 ◼   ► I would be surprised. I mean, I don't know.

00:52:05 ◼   ► Because the thing is, clearly Apple are offering enough money to some of these bigger companies

00:52:11 ◼   ► who are keeping their games. Like there are still some big companies that are keeping

00:52:14 ◼   ► their games but they probably got the most money anyway because they were bringing customers

00:52:17 ◼   ► that are owning. But anyway, this is going to happen. This is the first time this has

00:52:21 ◼   ► happened. But this is just going to keep happening. This is what it's like and this is what this

00:52:24 ◼   ► stuff is going to be like. Games rolling in and out of Game Pass. Games rolling in and

00:52:28 ◼   ► out of the PlayStation 3 game stuff. The Epic Games Store does this, games rolled in and

00:52:33 ◼   ► out, that's what these things are all about.

00:52:35 ◼   ► Let's talk about the butterfly keyboard. Remember that?

00:52:38 ◼   ► So yeah, I saw a lot of headlines to this today, and I'm going to include an article

00:52:42 ◼   ► to the BBC, which is not a place we would usually link to, but they had a pretty nice

00:52:47 ◼   ► summary of it. So Apple's MacBook Pro and MacBook and MacBook Air keyboards were the

00:52:54 ◼   ► butt-buttful- I don't need to tell our listeners about the butterfly keyboard. If you don't

00:52:58 ◼   ► the one I'm talking about. I will include a link in the show notes to a very weird episode

00:53:02 ◼   ► of Upgrade where we did a dramatic retelling of the whole story. There was a class action

00:53:07 ◼   ► lawsuit brought against Apple from some individuals in a bunch of states across the US. Apple

00:53:12 ◼   ► has paid $50 million to settle this. They are claiming no wrongdoing, which is a funny

00:53:18 ◼   ► thing to me. Like $50 million is a lot of money, but hey, we didn't do anything wrong.

00:53:24 ◼   ► Because basically the claim is saying that Apple knew this was happening and kept selling

00:53:29 ◼   ► products, which I mean is definitely true.

00:53:32 ◼   ► They tried to improve it but they knew this was happening.

00:53:36 ◼   ► The settlement, if it's approved and gold goes through, is being reviewed, could see

00:53:42 ◼   ► customers receiving up to $395 if they had to replace multiple keyboards, $125 if they

00:53:48 ◼   ► replaced one keyboard or $50 if they had to replace keycaps on a keyboard.

00:53:53 ◼   ► So I guess this is probably just US only as well, but there you go.

00:53:57 ◼   ► Probably I think I saw something that's not even in every state in the US, but...

00:54:01 ◼   ► It's probably of the eight states that levied the...

00:54:03 ◼   ► I don't think Tennessee is one of them, but you know, I'd be in for 125 bucks.

00:54:07 ◼   ► I had a keyboard replaced on my 2016 MacBook Pro.

00:54:10 ◼   ► The E key fell off, just completely broken.

00:54:15 ◼   ► And I think Mary had a 12 inch MacBook for a while.

00:54:18 ◼   ► I think it had two keyboards over the course of its life.

00:54:22 ◼   ► I'd, you know, it's a bummer.

00:54:25 ◼   ► I mean, this is a closed chapter now, thankfully,

00:54:28 ◼   ► but it was a problem for so long.

00:54:30 ◼   ► And I'm so glad we don't talk

00:54:32 ◼   ► about the stupid keyboards anymore.

00:54:33 ◼   ► - Yeah.

00:54:34 ◼   ► - I thought about them so much for such a long time.

00:54:37 ◼   ► - You sure did.

00:54:39 ◼   ► - There are seemingly no new betas this week,

00:54:42 ◼   ► at least as we record this,

00:54:44 ◼   ► but macOS Monterey 12.5, iOS and iPadOS 15.6,

00:54:51 ◼   ► and watch OS 8 point something are all out.

00:54:56 ◼   ► Mac OS moderate includes mostly Safari and TV app fixes.

00:55:03 ◼   ► - That's the same as iOS.

00:55:05 ◼   ► - Same as iOS.

00:55:06 ◼   ► iOS also includes some issues with settings

00:55:11 ◼   ► and like device storage.

00:55:15 ◼   ► So like that screen and settings

00:55:16 ◼   ► has always been kind of janky, like super slow to load.

00:55:20 ◼   ► and there was apparently some issues there

00:55:22 ◼   ► that it would, once it showed your device storage was full,

00:55:25 ◼   ► once you got rid of stuff, it would still show it as full.

00:55:27 ◼   ► So they've got that worked out.

00:55:29 ◼   ► My expectation is these are the last

00:55:32 ◼   ► kind of major versions of these OSs.

00:55:34 ◼   ► I mean, we're-

00:55:35 ◼   ► - I thought that 15.6 would include that lockdown mode.

00:55:38 ◼   ► - I thought that was coming in 16.

00:55:40 ◼   ► - No, they also said it was coming to 15.

00:55:42 ◼   ► - Oh, were they?

00:55:43 ◼   ► Yeah, so then maybe there'll be a 15.7.

00:55:44 ◼   ► There might be.

00:55:45 ◼   ► We will see.

00:55:47 ◼   ► But either way, we're definitely-

00:55:49 ◼   ► in there and they just didn't put it in the release notes. It's that secretive. Well,

00:55:55 ◼   ► I mean, Apple does this anyway. Oh no, it says it's coming with iOS 16. I looked at

00:56:01 ◼   ► it now on the thing. You were right. I thought it was also coming to 15, but #StevenWasRight.

00:56:07 ◼   ► Thank you. Thank you for that. Either way, we're definitely towards the end of these

00:56:12 ◼   ► OS's. I mean we're now what probably two months from iOS 16? Yeah. Geez. You know

00:56:21 ◼   ► Mac OS may be a little bit longer than that so so yeah we're reaching the end

00:56:24 ◼   ► of this. We expected beta 4 today probably because these rolled out beta

00:56:28 ◼   ► 4 it may be maybe later today maybe tomorrow they may wait a week but

00:56:33 ◼   ► generally tomorrow tomorrow tomorrow it could be I mean I know they've done that

00:56:39 ◼   ► before to my memory they've done that before like they go off day yeah a

00:56:42 ◼   ► little bit I don't think they want to wait a whole week at this point so if

00:56:45 ◼   ► they don't if they have it to really if they have one to put out there but

00:56:50 ◼   ► generally they don't like doing public and beta releases the same day I think

00:56:54 ◼   ► they've done this in the past where on a day that we would expect a beta there's

00:56:58 ◼   ► been a public release so you know as those are out you know go do your

00:57:02 ◼   ► software update thing and you know we'll be saying goodbye to I was 15 in Monterey

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00:58:35 ◼   ► - Okay.

00:58:36 ◼   ► - I wanna talk about the Apple TV.

00:58:38 ◼   ► I know this is your-

00:58:39 ◼   ► - It's my baby.

00:58:40 ◼   ► - It's your baby.

00:58:40 ◼   ► - Mm-hmm.

00:58:42 ◼   ► - I wanna talk about some about the hardware

00:58:43 ◼   ► and the software and kind of see what we think

00:58:46 ◼   ► kind of the present and future of the Apple TV could be.

00:58:49 ◼   ► So currently there are two models for sale.

00:58:52 ◼   ► There's the Apple TV HD.

00:58:55 ◼   ► It's $149 for 32 gigabytes of storage.

00:58:59 ◼   ► This is the one that was originally announced

00:59:01 ◼   ► in September, 2015.

00:59:03 ◼   ► It was the first one, like the future TV is apps.

00:59:05 ◼   ► It's powered by an A8.

00:59:07 ◼   ► It does come with the new Siri remote, which is good.

00:59:11 ◼   ► - Now. - Thank heavens.

00:59:13 ◼   ► It didn't initially, I think they've changed that

00:59:16 ◼   ► at some point.

00:59:17 ◼   ► There's also the Apple TV 4K, which is $179

00:59:21 ◼   ► for 32 gigabytes of storage and $199 for 64 gigabytes of

00:59:26 ◼   ► storage. There've actually been two generations of this.

00:59:29 ◼   ► The first one was in September of 17 with an A10 fusion,

00:59:33 ◼   ► but it was updated a little over a year ago with the A12

00:59:38 ◼   ► Bionic HDMI 2.1, the new color balance

00:59:43 ◼   ► feature, high frame rate, HDR, and some other stuff.

00:59:46 ◼   ► They're really expensive, but they are, we will get to that.

00:59:49 ◼   ► But looking forward, there are some rumors about what future hardware could entail. Looking at an

00:59:55 ◼   ► a 14 with four gigabytes of RAM up from the three that's currently in the Apple TV 4k. And then

01:00:03 ◼   ► another new Siri remote is rumored. My hope and kind of assumption is that this would support

01:00:10 ◼   ► find my like there'd be a U1 chip in it and you could find it in your couch cushions. I can't

01:00:16 ◼   ► imagine they're making massive changes to it so soon and I think the remote's pretty good so

01:00:21 ◼   ► hopefully it would just be find my support. I want to talk about the hardware first like there's been

01:00:26 ◼   ► a lot of discussions including on our show about should the Apple TV be more should it be

01:00:31 ◼   ► a soundbar that has this in it should it be some sort of HomePod type thing like do you

01:00:38 ◼   ► or should they go the other way should it be a little dongle you plug in the back of your TV

01:00:43 ◼   ► like a Chromecast or some of the Amazon products. What do you think about that?

01:00:47 ◼   ► Do you see their sort of current form factor and cost being the right way to go still?

01:00:54 ◼   ► Or ever? Was it ever the right way to go? Form factor, no. Cost, yes. I don't think Apple should

01:01:02 ◼   ► make a stick because they should just continue doing what they're doing, which is integrating

01:01:09 ◼   ► the TV app into everywhere that will take it. If you want the Apple TV experience, you

01:01:19 ◼   ► can just get a Fire TV stick or you can get a Roku or whatever and you'll get everything

01:01:26 ◼   ► you need because all of the TV apps that you would use, say like your Netflix or whatever,

01:01:32 ◼   ► it's the same on every platform basically. And this way you get access to all of the

01:01:36 ◼   ► content that you buy from Apple from iTunes or whatever in the TV app plus

01:01:42 ◼   ► you get the ability to watch all of their streaming shows in the TV app and

01:01:46 ◼   ► you can get that on basically any smart TV now and on everything else so I don't

01:01:52 ◼   ► think it makes any sense for them to make a smaller stick personally. This is

01:01:58 ◼   ► not Apple's world to make cheap hardware yeah because they never make it cheap

01:02:03 ◼   ► enough so it will only annoy people more when they make a stick and it costs $99

01:02:10 ◼   ► right like that I don't think it's worth them going in that direction I think

01:02:16 ◼   ► that there is something to be said for them to continue to have something like

01:02:20 ◼   ► the current 4k like the Apple TV 4k of like it's a box and that box has storage

01:02:28 ◼   ► in it and you can put games on it if you want to that come from Apple arcade

01:02:31 ◼   ► right? Like then that's the next step and then they should have a bigger step

01:02:35 ◼   ► which is integrating a HomePod and an Apple TV into one experience. Yeah. With

01:02:41 ◼   ► a center stage camera on the thing and you do FaceTime calls and it's like I

01:02:45 ◼   ► mean genuinely like this is something me and Jason have spoken about a lot on

01:02:48 ◼   ► upgrade it's like this idea of a HomePod and an Apple TV and you put them

01:02:54 ◼   ► together and you make like a sound bar that has everything inside of it you

01:02:58 ◼   ► you could put a center stage camera on it and you could do FaceTime calls for family

01:03:02 ◼   ► on the TV and like they should just go in that direction.

01:03:05 ◼   ► That'd be sweet.

01:03:06 ◼   ► That's what I want.

01:03:07 ◼   ► That's what I want them to do because I am a massive fan of both the Apple TV and Home

01:03:14 ◼   ► pods connected to them.

01:03:15 ◼   ► I have a Home pod stereo pair, like an OG Home pod stereo pair with my Apple TV and

01:03:20 ◼   ► it's how I watch all of my television is on my Apple TV.

01:03:23 ◼   ► I do not watch television in any other way.

01:03:26 ◼   ► I love it.

01:03:27 ◼   ► everything we'd integrate with a TV app because that's how I prefer to consume

01:03:30 ◼   ► it as well we were talking about Netflix in the pro show I think maybe we were

01:03:36 ◼   ► complaining about the Netflix app today in the pro show this has been a very

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01:03:54 ◼   ► everything was there including Netflix really is the only major service that I

01:03:58 ◼   ► used it doesn't support the TV app and I would like that but I really love it and

01:04:03 ◼   ► I love the sound of the home pods I love how easy it all connects together I

01:04:07 ◼   ► would like them to go the next part and make a sound bar and then you could also

01:04:12 ◼   ► add home pods to that experience and then you could have a full surround

01:04:16 ◼   ► sound experience I think it would be pretty pretty great yeah it would be

01:04:20 ◼   ► really cool to have just one thing that was like all entertainment, covered the

01:04:25 ◼   ► soundbar angle and brought some more computing into the living room with

01:04:29 ◼   ► things like FaceTime. I agree with you I think the stick idea is the wrong way to

01:04:35 ◼   ► go for Apple. I felt less strongly about this before the Apple TV app and AirPlay

01:04:42 ◼   ► and HomeKit came to a bunch of TVs directly like my LG TV has all that

01:04:47 ◼   ► stuff just built into it like I can airplay directly to the TV. I can control it with

01:04:53 ◼   ► HomeKit directly. Since they've broken out some of that stuff and put it on TVs directly,

01:04:59 ◼   ► I feel like that kind of lets the Apple TV be more of what it is without so much pressure

01:05:04 ◼   ► to bring it downstream. I mean, I still I would like it to be closer to the sort of

01:05:10 ◼   ► $99 price point as opposed to $179 for the 4k, but that is what it is, I guess.

01:05:18 ◼   ► I do think that there is some element to the Apple TV hardware that still kind of hangs

01:05:24 ◼   ► on to the idea of this is going to be an app and game platform like the storage tiers.

01:05:31 ◼   ► No one really needs the 64 gigabytes, I don't think.

01:05:34 ◼   ► I mean, I don't even know how much space I'm using on my 32, probably hardly any.

01:05:39 ◼   ► I just I wonder if some of those decisions that the Apple TV kind of operates within now are from

01:05:45 ◼   ► the future of the TV as apps kind of mindset still and they haven't been able to

01:05:50 ◼   ► To move past that since Apple arcade now, they can't move past it. Yeah, I guess I guess not that's the problem

01:05:57 ◼   ► Like like clearly that the the overall developer community decided they weren't gonna make apps

01:06:03 ◼   ► It's like it's just streaming services that make apps really

01:06:07 ◼   ► and then you get some ancillary stuff but it's not popular

01:06:10 ◼   ► but then there's games and the only real games that receive any attention on

01:06:15 ◼   ► the Apple TV are Apple Arcade games because Apple pay

01:06:20 ◼   ► developers to do the whole experience they want the app on the iPhone, the

01:06:24 ◼   ► iPad, the Apple TV and the Mac and it's one of the ways that games find

01:06:28 ◼   ► its way to the Mac and to the Apple TV is being part of Apple Arcade

01:06:31 ◼   ► but because they do that they kind of can't give up the storage stuff

01:06:35 ◼   ► unless they want to make Apple arcade a quote unquote less desirable thing.

01:06:40 ◼   ► The flip side of all of this is the software and over its lifetime,

01:06:47 ◼   ► starting in 2007, Apple's had a lot of different ideas.

01:06:51 ◼   ► So in 2007, sort of the original Apple TV,

01:06:54 ◼   ► which is actually basically kind of like a small Intel Mac,

01:06:56 ◼   ► it basically worked like an iPod.

01:06:59 ◼   ► You would sync media from iTunes across your network.

01:07:03 ◼   ► had an internal hard drive to store all of that on it. The UI

01:07:07 ◼   ► was very similar to front row. Do you remember front row? That

01:07:10 ◼   ► was awesome. Again, it was like a weirdo, Intel Mac that ran a

01:07:14 ◼   ► weird version of Mac OS 10. And that was the first Apple TV and

01:07:19 ◼   ► it was out for three years. And it wasn't ever a huge seller.

01:07:24 ◼   ► Like I think people who were into them were really into them.

01:07:28 ◼   ► But it was because it was basically an extension of

01:07:30 ◼   ► iTunes, like you had to really be in that ecosystem. And in 2010, they sort of made

01:07:37 ◼   ► the shift to the much smaller like black box that we know now, no real internal storage.

01:07:45 ◼   ► And this kind of version of the Apple TV was, you're basically going to stream everything.

01:07:50 ◼   ► So we're not syncing stuff across the network anymore. It's like a hard turn the other direction.

01:07:55 ◼   ► You got to stream content from the iTunes store, you can rent content from the iTunes

01:08:00 ◼   ► or you can stream from computers in your local network.

01:08:02 ◼   ► So if you had a, you know, an iMac in your office

01:08:06 ◼   ► and it had your media library,

01:08:07 ◼   ► you could stream it across your local area network

01:08:10 ◼   ► to the TV.

01:08:10 ◼   ► - I think this was the first one I had.

01:08:13 ◼   ► - It was probably most people's first one.

01:08:15 ◼   ► 'Cause I think it was also $99.

01:08:17 ◼   ► I think it's when they got the big price cut.

01:08:19 ◼   ► - What did it look like?

01:08:21 ◼   ► - It was like the current Apple TV, but shorter.

01:08:24 ◼   ► - Yeah, I had this one.

01:08:25 ◼   ► - Small little black box.

01:08:27 ◼   ► It ditched all the component and composite stuff that was on the first one just for HDMI.

01:08:34 ◼   ► And it ran like a weirded embedded version of iOS.

01:08:38 ◼   ► It wasn't really an OS in and of itself.

01:08:42 ◼   ► Kind of a strange thing.

01:08:43 ◼   ► And it came with the remote that had like a click wheel and a menu button and a play/pause

01:08:49 ◼   ► button.

01:08:50 ◼   ► That was the remote before the bad remote.

01:08:51 ◼   ► Before the bad remote.

01:08:53 ◼   ► And it had eventually so there was this one and then in 2012, there was a 1080 version.

01:08:59 ◼   ► So the 2010 was 720p with an updated UI.

01:09:02 ◼   ► And in this timeframe, you start to see some apps like Netflix and a couple of others,

01:09:08 ◼   ► there was a YouTube app, but not really at all the way that we saw them in 2015, which

01:09:14 ◼   ► is kind of the beginning of the current era of tv OS, tv OS got its own name.

01:09:20 ◼   ► the future of TV as apps was the sentence,

01:09:22 ◼   ► you know, it was streaming games

01:09:24 ◼   ► plus a bunch of regular apps,

01:09:26 ◼   ► which that category just didn't ever do anything like.

01:09:29 ◼   ► - We're talking shopping.

01:09:31 ◼   ► - Shopping.

01:09:32 ◼   ► - And home buying.

01:09:33 ◼   ► These were two of the things

01:09:34 ◼   ► they thought people were gonna do.

01:09:35 ◼   ► - Just blast through Zillow on your Apple TV.

01:09:38 ◼   ► - Yeah, because for some reason

01:09:40 ◼   ► you wouldn't just do that on your iPhone.

01:09:42 ◼   ► Yeah, this was, you know,

01:09:45 ◼   ► this was the one of two times

01:09:48 ◼   ► that Apple have tried to make the iPhone again.

01:09:52 ◼   ► They did it here and they did it with the Apple Watch

01:09:54 ◼   ► of like, the Apple Watch can do everything rather than,

01:09:59 ◼   ► and they learned with the Apple Watch faster, I think,

01:10:02 ◼   ► of like, we're going to focus on what this thing

01:10:06 ◼   ► is best at, right? - Yeah, agreed.

01:10:10 ◼   ► - Which is like, it's going to do the things

01:10:14 ◼   ► and we're gonna focus and we're gonna continue

01:10:15 ◼   ► to build the device around that.

01:10:17 ◼   ► and they just never did that with the Apple TV.

01:10:18 ◼   ► And I mean, I feel like I know why, right?

01:10:20 ◼   ► I bet they sell way more Apple watches

01:10:22 ◼   ► than they do Apple TVs,

01:10:23 ◼   ► and they just learn faster and focused and doubled down

01:10:26 ◼   ► on what makes that product a good one.

01:10:29 ◼   ► - Yeah, I think so.

01:10:30 ◼   ► And even in the time since 2015,

01:10:34 ◼   ► I think we've seen even more of that sort of

01:10:37 ◼   ► coming into focus of what this is.

01:10:38 ◼   ► They've sort of dropped the regular app thing.

01:10:42 ◼   ► Apple Arcade is obviously a component that wasn't there,

01:10:46 ◼   ► But we've seen more and more of the TV app

01:10:49 ◼   ► kind of take over the experience.

01:10:52 ◼   ► And all of your, most of your content providers

01:10:56 ◼   ► can plug into that, Netflix.

01:10:58 ◼   ► But--

01:11:00 ◼   ► - Well, they all can.

01:11:01 ◼   ► - Yes, some of them choose not to.

01:11:04 ◼   ► - And I think it's for perfectly fair reasons.

01:11:07 ◼   ► That Netflix want what they want.

01:11:09 ◼   ► I think Apple and Netflix need to like come together

01:11:14 ◼   ► and to work this out.

01:11:14 ◼   ► I think Apple need to give Netflix a little bit more of what they want.

01:11:18 ◼   ► Netflix need to give Apple a little bit more of what they want.

01:11:20 ◼   ► This is like what Apple and Amazon did.

01:11:23 ◼   ► That's how Amazon got added to the TV app.

01:11:25 ◼   ► They settled a bunch of business and this is one of the things that came out of it.

01:11:28 ◼   ► But we've seen that TV apps sort of take over everything.

01:11:32 ◼   ► Of course now it's also on iOS and the Mac and everything else.

01:11:35 ◼   ► And I think where they are now software wise is actually pretty good.

01:11:40 ◼   ► Like yeah, I'd love to see Netflix and others in that system.

01:11:43 ◼   ► But I feel like overall, we're in a better place with the Apple TV than we've ever been

01:11:48 ◼   ► software wise. But I think there are still things they could do. Like, I mean, you mentioned

01:11:56 ◼   ► Netflix. I think that's the top of the list for everybody. I think you spoke about this,

01:12:01 ◼   ► I think on App Stories with Federico and John, but bringing widgets to the TV app would be pretty

01:12:07 ◼   ► sweet. You know, you already have some of that kind of there's a control center and there's like

01:12:11 ◼   ► like HomeKit integration where you can see like,

01:12:14 ◼   ► if you have a camera hooked up to HomeKit,

01:12:17 ◼   ► it can show you your preview.

01:12:18 ◼   ► And if a scene changes in your home,

01:12:21 ◼   ► you get a little notification.

01:12:22 ◼   ► Like they could do more, I think,

01:12:23 ◼   ► to integrate the TV with the rest of the house

01:12:25 ◼   ► and the rest of the sort of other stuff

01:12:27 ◼   ► you have in your life.

01:12:28 ◼   ► The discussion about FaceTime, other things earlier,

01:12:31 ◼   ► I think also related to this.

01:12:33 ◼   ► But I think in terms of, it's a box you plug into your TV,

01:12:37 ◼   ► the software is better than it's ever been.

01:12:39 ◼   ► Even if it's a bit static,

01:12:40 ◼   ► I think they've sort of leveled off and I don't really foresee any like big,

01:12:44 ◼   ► massive changes again, unless the industry changes out from underneath them.

01:12:48 ◼   ► I feel like they've kind of finally settled on this is what this thing is and it

01:12:52 ◼   ► works well enough for most people.

01:12:54 ◼   ► Yeah. There are a little bits and bobs like that I wish they would do,

01:12:57 ◼   ► but I agree with you by and large, they've kind of hit the sweet spot.

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01:13:32 ◼   ► If you have feedback or follow up, there's an email link on that page as well,

01:13:36 ◼   ► or you can find us all on Twitter.

01:13:39 ◼   ► Myke is there as I-M-Y-K-E

01:13:42 ◼   ► and Myke is the host of a bunch of other shows

01:13:44 ◼   ► here on Relay FM.

01:13:46 ◼   ► Our friend Federico is not with us today,

01:13:48 ◼   ► but you can find him on Twitter @vitiicci.

01:13:52 ◼   ► You can find me on Twitter as ismh

01:13:54 ◼   ► and I write over at 512pixels.net.

01:13:56 ◼   ► And I'd love for you to go check out my Kickstarter.

01:13:59 ◼   ► There's a link in the show notes.

01:14:01 ◼   ► I'd like to thank our sponsors this week

01:14:02 ◼   ► for making the show possible,

01:14:03 ◼   ► Squarespace, Trade, and Capital One.

01:14:06 ◼   ► Until next time, Myke, say goodbye.

01:14:08 ◼   ► - Cheerio.