408: Oh! Tim Cook is in Here, Too!
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-From "Replay FM," this is "Connected" episode 408.
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Today's show is brought to you by our excellent sponsors,
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"Text Expander," "Indeed," and "Capital One."
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I'm one of your co-hosts, primarily, Federico Vittucci,
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and I'm very pleased to introduce my friend
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and fellow co-host, Mr. Stephen Hackett.
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Hello, Stephen. -Hello, Federico.
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Welcome back. -Thank you.
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it's good to be back it feels very nice to be back and I'm joined by our co-host mr. Myke Hurley
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hello across the oceans yes well am I across an ocean from you yeah no I mean
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well we have a sea in between us we don't have an ocean go the other way I mean there's two
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Two oceans between us, you know?
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Or if you take a really long way,
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you could get like three or four oceans between us, right?
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Sure, sure, I mean, if you look at it that way, yes.
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Or no oceans, you just like tunnel down into the earth
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and then pop up like a mole.
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Jokes on you, the earth is flat, so.
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That's true, you can go too far,
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you fall off the other side.
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Yeah. Exactly.
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And you reach the wall and aliens come pick you up.
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You know what the deal is.
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- Hey, pick a number between one and 10.
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I don't wanna do this.
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- Pick a number between one and 10.
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- Well, he already said seven.
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- Yeah, I'm talking to you, Myke.
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Pick a number.
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- Oh, three?
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- Federico wins.
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He is the closest.
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There are currently eight days left
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in the 2023 Apple history calendar Kickstarter.
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The link is in the show notes.
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- What does he win, the opportunity to back your Kickstarter project?
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- You have the opportunity to buy a calendar.
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And it's a really good calendar, if I must say so myself.
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Well, you would.
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- I mean, I'm biased. - Yeah.
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- But a thousand people liked it last year, so...
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You should join in. - What if there's
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a big error, though?
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Would it be good then?
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- No, don't say that.
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- What if you put like-- - Stop!
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- 32 days in July or something?
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- No, no, no, no, no.
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This thing is fact-checked enough
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where many people would suffer
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if they were 32 days in July.
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- Yeah, but who checked the fact checkers?
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That's the question.
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- It's true.
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- Who's fact checking the fact checkers, you know?
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- Yeah. - It's important.
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This is important stuff.
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- Double down on the fact checking.
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Anyways, eight days left, go check it out.
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- You have to make one of those YouTube videos
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like "Grey Maid".
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"Why Stephen Hackett was wrong."
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- "Was wrong."
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- That's right. - You'll have to do
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one of those.
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- Do you guys ever talk about yourselves
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in the third person?
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- Yeah, me neither.
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But there's so many people who do and I find it so weird.
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- Yeah, I don't agree with that as a thing.
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- But so many people do that.
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- Federico, a question came up in our Discord
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for Relay FM members.
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If you're a member of Relay FM,
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you get a bunch of cool perks, Discord.
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- Oh, let's see.
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- Newsletter, wallpapers, all sorts of cool stuff.
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- I thought you'd blanked on it there.
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- I did for a second.
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- I'm sure there's some good stuff in there.
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Look, don't worry about it.
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I don't know who runs our membership program,
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but he sounds like a real special guy.
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So Federico, a couple of years ago,
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you went on this vision quest
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to make the AirPods Pro more comfortable,
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and you ended up with the Comply foam tips,
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and people wanted a follow-up on that.
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Are you still using them?
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Did you find something else?
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What's the state of your AirPods Pro?
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- I am not using the Comply foam tips anymore,
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but I am using a different set of tips
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that were recommended to me by friend of the show, Chris
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So I am using--
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I'm going to send you a link.
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These are like hybrid tips that are
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using a mix of memory foam and silicon on the outside.
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So they're called the Chargen Pro Tips.
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And here's a link on Amazon.com for you.
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I really like this because they look like regular AirPods tips,
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but they have foam on the inside.
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So they do adapt to the shape of your ear better
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than just standard silicone tips from Apple.
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And I like them because they're easier to clean
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and you don't have to press them and warm them up
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with your fingers like the regular foam tips.
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And also the regular foam tips,
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they get absolutely disgusting over time
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and you gotta change them every couple of months
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if you don't pay attention to cleaning them every week
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or so, every few days actually.
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And these are much better because they're easier to clean
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and they got mostly the same benefits
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of the Comply foam tips,
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meaning they are more comfortable
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and I feel like they really adapt
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to the shape of my inner ear.
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And yeah, I've been using them
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for the past more than six months actually,
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because I was looking at my Amazon order page.
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I've been using them since September of last year,
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so I can recommend these.
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I think they're--
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- These are basically, they're silicone on the outside,
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but it gets squished on the inside,
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so it makes a better seal.
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Is that the thing? - Yep, exactly.
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- It's like a hybrid approach.
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They did a Kickstarter last year,
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and now you can just get them from Amazon.
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And this Chargent Pro folks,
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they do a bunch of other accessories,
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actually, for the AirPods.
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I was familiar with them,
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because back in the day, I think I bought from them
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one of those hooks that you could put around
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the regular AirPods if you wanted your AirPods
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to look like the Powerbeats or something.
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I believe that these folks,
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they used to make those accessories.
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And now they're also making these hybrid foam tips.
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Yeah, I like 'em.
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- Wow, yeah, they raised 50 grand on Kickstarter.
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It's not calendar money.
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There you go, there you go.
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There you go, there you go.
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I'm just kidding.
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Maybe next year you should pivot to making, you know, foam tapes with dates on them.
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Yeah, one for every day, a pair a day.
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A pair of...
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So these people have some pretty cool like product imagery, but the, for lack of a better
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term, the cover image on the Amazon page, the first one is like an AirPod Pro and then
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has the tip and I can't explode it view, but it has the jankiest glow outline around the
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components. Why did you make that the default image? I'll tell you why I did it.
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Because at small sizes you probably can't tell that these are actually
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separate things. I think this is like a designer's way of trying to...
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Actually this wasn't the designer's thing, this is the owner who said you need to
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make this clearer. So then the designer put a glow behind the element. And then
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walked into the ocean. Yeah and then that was the end of that.
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you know yeah cool talking about AirPods Pro actually I don't know about you
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Federico my AirPods Pro's battery is like on its lost legs now well remember
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I got the new ones at some point mid cycle I have the custom ones oh yeah okay
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so mine are a thousand days old no because I got them when they came out
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and that's that's a thousand days old now I saw on MacRumors I'm charging
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I'm charging it like every day. I remember this happened and you guys probably remember
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this too with the original AirPods, like before AirPods Pro came out, we were all complaining
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the battery wouldn't last because we'd never changed them. So I hope that they release
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some new ones soon. It's probably not going to be until September I would expect, but
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I'm ready for new AirPods Pro if anything just to get new battery. And I know I could
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buy a new case or whatever but I just don't want to do that like I'm just not
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going to do that I'm just gonna wait but I I'm ready I'm very ready but imagine a
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case wouldn't even make all the difference because it's probably the
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batteries and the air pods themselves that's I'm I guess both are probably
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wearing out yeah you're right it's probably it's probably a bit of both
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that I'm seeing yeah because I feel like I don't know it's the air pods but I
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guess that that's not the thing right but yeah yeah okay I see I'm on my third
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pair of AirPods 2. They're the ones I like the most and they're all you know
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they get old. How are you on your third pair of those? Wait did you say third? Mm-hmm
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the first pair yeah it was like basically battery death and then I think
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the second one I lost. Wait one said I lost and one said succumb to battery
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failure. Didn't you drop a pair in a gym once and decide you didn't want them anymore?
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No, that was, my wife and I actually were just talking
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about this, so I dropped the case in the gym bathroom.
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This is before COVID when I actually like went to a gym
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and they skittered across the floor and I thought,
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well, I have to replace these.
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And I said that jokingly, but I just cleaned them very well.
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Believe me, I wanted to replace them because,
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Oh, but I didn't.
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Good gym, yeah.
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My wife would have actually murdered me.
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I thought I had lost a heart rate sensor in a gym once.
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Turns out it was stolen from me, so.
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- Yeah, man.
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- Pay attention when you are in a gym
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or close to people you think are your friends.
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- I mean, I wasn't in the gym,
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so if now you're saying you lost it in the gym,
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then it had nothing to do with me.
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- Oh, he thought he lost it in the gym.
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- I thought I did.
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- But it turns out it wasn't Jim, it was Myke.
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Different guy.
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The enemy was sleeping right next to me.
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As they often do, Federico.
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The whole time.
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We need to pour-
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We still have not gotten,
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no, we've not gotten to the bottom
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of three pairs of AirPods 2.
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No, I told you, one was lost, one I replaced
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'cause the batteries failed.
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So I'm on my third pair.
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They're right over there on my,
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I have a little thing by the door in my studio
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that I put my wallet and keys and AirPods on every day.
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So you've gone through three pairs of AirPods 2 in the same time that I've had my one pair of AirPods Pro?
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Did AirPods 2 and Pro come out at the same time?
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No, AirPods 2 came out later.
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Ooh, that's not good.
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It's probably like halfway through that too, like AirPods 2 were like a year or two ago, right?
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What? No, come on.
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No, AirPods...
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AirPods 2 have been out a long time.
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Are we on the AirPods 3? Oh, now we are on the AirPods 3.
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Oh, now we're on AirPods 3. Okay.
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Which don't work for me.
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Audio AirPods second
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generation March 2019
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AirPods Pro October
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I mean, this isn't that much better
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for you, but it's still not.
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It's not a big difference now.
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It's better. Yeah, I was I was
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thinking AirPods 2 was AirPods 3.
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I forgot that the original AirPods
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didn't have like wireless charging,
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Man, what a good lineup of products.
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I mean, can we just say that for a second?
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Like, I don't even think,
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I don't think Apple was really prepared for like,
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what a huge hit these have been.
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- Oh no, 'cause they were always out of stock, right?
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Like for a long time.
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- It was impossible to get them at launch.
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- I appreciate Apple's restraint too,
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that they don't release a new pair every year.
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- That they wait until they have a substantial update,
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it seems, and then they put out a new one.
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- They wait till everybody's batteries are dying.
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- And then they put out a new one.
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So talking about kind of audio hardware, I just saw this today. This is I think mostly aimed at
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Federico on variety. Quote, "In the second quarter, Spotify's gross margin was 24.6% compared to 28.4%
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the year prior. For the most recent quarter, that was hurt by the decision to stop manufacturing
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car things, Spotify's device for connecting smartphones to car entertainment systems,
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which resulted in a 31 million dollar, million euro one-time charge.
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So they stopped making it and cut it as a loss and then that was the end of that.
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I loved Karthing. I thought it was so cool.
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I think Jon has one for me that he was supposed to give to me or ship to me or something. I'm not sure.
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After a recent episode of one of the Max Stories, uh, podcast, Universe podcasts,
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I don't remember which one it was, where you told him about getting rid of...
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was it Homepods or Echoes or something?
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And he was sounding really upset about the snowstorm.
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So I don't think he's gonna give you anything anymore.
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Yeah, I don't think he's gonna ship you anything anymore.
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Yeah, he's done.
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It's only Big Apple Buddy left for me.
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But what do you need anymore, you know?
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Do you need any better than Big Apple Buddy?
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I don't think so.
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- No, exactly.
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They still send me weekly emails.
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For example, now I can get the Pixel Buds from the US.
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- Well, who else doesn't want to hear from their buddies?
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- I get physical mail from the animal shelter
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that you donated to once on,
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or that you picked for me to donate to.
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I forget what happened.
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They send me a postcard about three times a year
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soliciting donations.
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- That's great.
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- So you get Federico mail.
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That's good.
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- Yeah, if you don't mind,
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I'm also gonna set up a forwarding rule in my Gmail.
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- It's just more Federico mail for you.
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- So you can also get that if you want.
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- Big application, all email forwarded to Steven.
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- I mean, might as well, you know.
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So you're getting physical mail, you're getting email.
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What is it called in For All Mankind, the DMail?
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- Is it what they call it? DMail, yeah.
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- I'm like halfway through the season now.
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-No spoilers. -Oh, man.
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It's intense.
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-Yes. -My word.
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They ratcheted it up this season.
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Wow. I'm loving it though.
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Oh my God. The episode from Friday.
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Oh my, oh my.
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I haven't seen that one yet.
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And I know that it's only getting "worse" in terms of intensity
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because the creators said that episode eight
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is one of the really intense ones.
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-Yep. -And that's the one coming out next.
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Steven's seen it.
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I saw the finale this weekend.
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I'm so jealous.
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I'm so jealous.
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I now feel like I'm in a race with the show
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so I can get to it while I still have my screeners.
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Like, the others still, you know.
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I've just been watching them on Apple TV at the moment.
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It's really good.
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Such a good show.
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And just renewed for a new season, as was Mythic Quest,
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which is another Apple TV Plus show that I really like.
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They renewed Mythic Quest?
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- It's a surprise. - I know.
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- I'm excited, I'm pleased about it.
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- Me too. - It kind of seemed like
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they were just gonna do one more, so.
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- Their, if you haven't watched "Mythic Quest,"
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it's definitely worth a watch,
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but their COVID episode in season two
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is maybe the best episode of TV on Apple TV+.
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It's so good.
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- It is really good.
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I think it's the only good COVID special episode.
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Lots of shows tried to do that kind of thing,
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Wanna talk a little bit about Apple Store stuff.
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How does that sound?
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- All right, okay.
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Michael Stieber used to cover Apple retail for nine to five Mac and then went out on his own a while back
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He's got a newsletter now, which is great called tabletop
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Apple retail better than I think anyone else and he has put together
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What he's calling the Apple store time machine. There's a link in the show notes. Check it out. It's a Mac app that lets you explore
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For Apple stores as they were on specific dates in the past
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So he has Tyson's corner, which was the first Apple store open and it's the way it was in May 2001 when it opened
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He has Stanford shopping center in October of 2004, which was the first mini Apple store
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Do you guys ever come across those the mini stores? I've seen any pictures but never in real life
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I don't think I know what that means. So it is a or was they don't do any more
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they were like a half width Apple store. Like Myke, do you
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remember the old Apple store here before they moved across
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the street? Yeah, it was like half of that width. So it was
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narrow and they did brush metal on all the walls and it was just
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like, basically less third party stuff on it in it. Okay. And in
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it. It's anyways, the Stanford shopping center was the first
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one. So he's recreated that. And then the first day that the Fifth
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Avenue store was open and when when they reopened the Apple
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infinite loop store in 2015. Now that's basically like a regular
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Apple store with some t shirts in it. It used to be like when I
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was out there in 2007. It was basically all merchandise. So
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you can walk through these stores and experience them.
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There's tons of little Easter eggs in it. The attention to
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detail is really, really cool. And if you if you spend a lot of
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time in Apple stores like I did in the past, it really kind of
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took me back in a way that I wasn't expecting.
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How did he get this information?
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I don't understand.
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I don't know.
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I don't know.
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I mean, it's so detailed.
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Like he's had some tweets about it,
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about how one of the stores,
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like the launch pictures included
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like a certain type of graphic on the wall.
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And then when it opened, it was different.
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So like he had to contend with that.
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It's all very impressive.
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This is a Stephen Hackett project if I've ever seen one.
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This is like Stephen bait.
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I think he knew that when he told me about it.
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This was built with Unity, the game engine, I believe.
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This is so impressive.
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So you have to download the Mac app, and then--
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I don't think I did that.
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If I'm not mistaken, Michael is relatively new to 3D graphics
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and animations.
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So this is excellent work.
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I mean, packaged this way in this sort
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of interactive experience.
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I mean, it's a remarkable idea and the execution is also,
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like it's really well done.
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And the historical knowledge behind this
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is really impressive.
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Like to go back and find the exact layout of a store
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from 20 years ago, down to the posters on the wall
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and the boxed software on the shelves,
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like that's honestly impressive.
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- I'd forgotten some of the things in here,
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like, and there's a little glimpse
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in the little preview trailer of the New York store.
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There used to be a separate iPod Genius bar for a minute
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and they have that on the wall.
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And it's really cool.
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You should definitely check it out.
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It's a bit of a big download.
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It's like 600 megs as you may imagine.
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It's free, but there is a tip jar.
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Definitely donate some to this works.
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It is really cool.
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- The Tysons Corner one,
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Is that the one where Steve Jobs made the video?
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- So I don't actually, I think it is.
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I don't want to say 100% sure,
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but that video that you're talking about
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is filmed in a store just like it.
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If it's not Tyson Corner,
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then it's a mock-up that's basically exactly like it.
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- Right, and it could have actually
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not even been a real Apple store, right?
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- Right, 'cause they, it's in the,
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I forget what book it's in,
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but there's some book, Apple book,
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that's floated around the last couple of years
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that they had like a big warehouse
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that they mocked the stores up in.
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And he would go.
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- Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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- And talk about it.
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It was cool.
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I'm trying to find that video and see.
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I'm gonna say that,
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I'm just gonna say yes, he went to Tyson Corner.
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- I found a version of this video
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that I'll put in the show notes.
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- It's a problem with a lot of this stuff gets taken down,
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so you may just have to Google it for yourself,
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but there's a bunch of options.
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It says Tyson's Corner, Virginia.
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it says it in the description of this video.
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- The story he's walking through
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is how the Memphis store looked.
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'Cause the Memphis store was the 20th open,
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it was one of the first ones
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and it looked just like that for a long time.
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And so when I went through that one, I was like,
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oh gosh, like I'm back at my job in 2006 and seven.
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- You mentioned a book, "Briefer Side."
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I started reading "After Steve."
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I know that you and David did a MacPauley's special about it
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which I'm looking forward to listening to when I'm done.
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One, I thought it was just about Johnny Ive for some reason.
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I don't know why I thought that, but it's not.
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I was like, oh, Tim Cook's in here too.
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I didn't know that.
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I think it's just so much of the focus
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before the book came out
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seemed to be about the Johnny Ive stuff
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and like Johnny Ive leaving and all that kind of stuff.
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But I am really enjoying it.
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I think it's very interesting and well-written.
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- The other Apple Store story we wanna talk about,
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Myke, you sent this to me this morning.
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So when I open this link, it has a little shared by Myke
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Boehner at the top.
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Tell us about this new London Apple store.
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- Yeah, Apple have opened a new store
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called Apple Brompton Road.
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So it's another, so I think this is now
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the third Apple store in London.
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This is in the Knightsbridge neighborhood.
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It's near Hyde Park.
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The kind of the key thing here with this store
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is it's near the Harrods department store,
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which I expect a lot of people might be
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at least familiar with the name.
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So it is in an area, a shopping area of London
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with a lot of very, very high-end luxury retail.
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Like the most expensive of expensive stores
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are in this part of London.
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I don't know if that's why they've opened a store here,
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but they did note in the press release
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that this store has 200 employees speaking 45 languages.
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- That's cool.
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- Now that would be very helpful
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for where this store is located,
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because people come from all over the world
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and shop in Knightsbridge.
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So it makes sense to me that they would do that.
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And as you can imagine, like any new Apple store,
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it is absolutely stunning inside.
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I will make a trip to this store at some point.
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Like if I'm gonna be in and around that part of London,
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I'm gonna go here because it is beautiful.
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So it's got like this timber, the curved timber ceiling,
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like the roof ceiling.
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It looks really beautiful.
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It's got that like limestone walls that I've seen in,
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especially in a lot of the London stores, they've done this.
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And I think that the store that you went to Federico
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had a similar kind of stone on the wall.
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- Yeah, what's the name of that one?
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What was that one?
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- Wasn't that the one where they renovated the...
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Was it Regent Street?
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Was it Regent Street?
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I was meaning the one that you went to in Rome was it or in Milan in Rome?
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I went to the Regent Street store. I think was the first store that got this kind of yeah outfit to it
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Yeah, but it's this beautiful stone and then it also has to write so flooring which is very on trend for right now
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Somebody wrote in our document here on fleek you mean hashtag damn Daniel
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Yeah, you said on trend and I was just trying to show you how it was you you said damn Daniel
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Because we've had this in the past where you don't know what that is.
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I do know what it is.
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No, he knows what damn dang it is.
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And there's a bunch of Sicilian ficus trees, which have those planters on the bottom that
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you can sit on, which I think were a great addition to the Apple Store.
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Somewhere you can sit.
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Because a lot of time you're in the Apple Store, you have to wait for something.
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So being able to sit somewhere is really good.
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Well they also have those like boxes in the back near the screen with no backs that you
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can sit on and be uncomfortable.
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Yeah, but sometimes there's things going on there, right?
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So like you don't want to go and sit because then you're like being sucked into the presentation.
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This is also the first UK store with a pickup area, which...
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Mmm, a place to put my truck.
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Which this is a thing that I thought Apple were just doing during the pandemic, but I
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guess it's kind of stuck around now, which is the...
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This is basically you can buy things online and pick like you can pick them up in a store,
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but instead of needing to flag someone down in the store, you can just go to the pickup
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area, which I think is a very good thing to be able to do rather than trying to just like
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rugby tackle someone as they're walking by so you can get seen.
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This changed during COVID. So for a while, at least here in the US, stores that were
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closed because of COVID, some of them had pickup area and it was like a fake storefront
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in the front of the store.
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So like one person go in,
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you could walk about three feet into the building
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and then they hand you your stuff through a window.
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Now what they're doing, at least in my store
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and I think in others, is if you have a pickup,
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you get stopped at the door
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and you're sort of siphoned off to the side
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and they've taken one of the tables along the wall
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And so they scan your thing
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and a runner goes and gets your iPhone or whatever
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and brings it out to you.
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So they have adapted this a little bit,
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but I really like this idea of a dedicated pickup space
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and like how good does that table look?
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I mean, I love the way the store looks.
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- Yeah, it's a beautiful table.
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- It's really cool.
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- Yeah, I will pop in there at some point.
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- Yeah, pick something up.
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You know, pick something up.
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where it's a little bit of a nicer experience
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in being sort of roped off to the side.
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I mean, I know not all stores are this big and glamorous,
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but all in all, like more people just across the board,
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across retail are doing like online shopping
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for in-store pickup.
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I mean, I feel like every website I've ever visited
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in the last two years have offered that to me now.
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to adapt to that a little bit better.
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I've got a computer here.
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- That was so good.
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- No, that was good.
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The M2 MacBook Air that we ordered came in yesterday.
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So I haven't had a ton of time with it,
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but something very funny happened
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basically right after I unboxed it.
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So I unboxed it and I had it on Mary's desk in the house
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and she's been using an M1 MacBook Air since it came out.
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But before that, she was on an Intel MacBook Air
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and before that, a 12 inch MacBook.
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And before that, the old 11 inch MacBook Air.
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So she has been using wedge-shaped computers
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for a long time.
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And she picked it up and she said, "Why is this so thick?"
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And it blew my mind.
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I was like, wait, no, it's like super thin and lightweight.
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But she was expecting the wedge shape
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'cause she picked it up from the front edge.
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And so I sort of like showed her the side
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and how it was the same profile all the way through.
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Anyways, that just sort of struck me
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because we've been talking about the shape change a lot,
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but the three of us haven't used a wedge-shaped laptop
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as our main notebook for a long, long time.
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And it cracked me up that that was her sort of immediate response.
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Do you think, is she not into it?
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I think she is.
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I mean, she basically picked it up and then I took it and, um, brought it out
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here to the office and she hasn't spent any time with it, but she also basically
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uses her laptop as a desktop, so it's just going to show, you know, be put into
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a stand behind her LG ultra fine.
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So, uh, we'll see how that goes, but, um, I'm into it.
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I think it's really cool.
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I transferred stuff from my MacBook Pro to it.
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So I'm gonna use it for a couple of weeks
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before it becomes hers.
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And the thing that struck me, I knew this
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'cause I'd read all the reviews and watched all the reviews,
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but when it's closed, it's as thick as the,
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just the bottom part of my 14 inch MacBook Pro.
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Like it is, I kind of, they're side by side right now
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on my desk, they're shocking, it is shockingly thinner.
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- One place where you found this out
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was when I told you this last week,
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I said these words to you last week on the show.
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- On the show? - Mm-hmm.
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- Like I said, I listen to a lot of Apple podcasts.
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I mean, who knows where ideas come from?
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- This was just a conversation me and you had, you know?
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Like, I mean, it was on the show, but.
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That is a great part of it.
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I still remain surprised at how it feels to hold.
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Like, it feels, this is a bad word, but like,
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inconsequential, like it just doesn't really feel like much,
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which I really like.
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- And, but I am also, I was,
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I haven't spent a ton of time using it like a laptop.
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Like I've used it mostly as I use my current laptop,
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which is plugged into a monitor, right?
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But I was doing some stuff last night at home
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on the MacBook Air itself, and it still feels so sturdy.
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Like it's super thin, but it still feels like,
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it's not like the thing is bending or flexing.
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Like it is a solid piece of equipment.
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- Yeah, I mean, they've really gotten this whole
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unibody architecture thing down so well.
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and that means they can make something super thin.
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I mean, even the 12 inch MacBook felt solid
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in a way that it probably shouldn't have.
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Like just, you know, if you just like looked
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at the specs on paper.
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But yeah, it feels great.
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And what I like about it immediately
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is the difference between the Air and the Pro.
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I mean, having them side by side, you know,
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13.6 inches versus 14 inch screen size.
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Like it is a little bit smaller.
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It's not drastically smaller footprint wise.
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The ports, the thinness, the silent operation,
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like it lets the MacBook Pro be thicker with more ports
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with fans and everything like I like the,
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I like that there's more distinguishing features
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between the two lines.
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I think we spoke about that last week
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and having it now here in person,
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like it doesn't feel like a light version of my MacBook Pro.
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It feels like a MacBook Air,
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kind of like the way they used to like back, you know,
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in the 2010 MacBook Air era, you know,
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the pre retina, the 11 and 13 inch,
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that sort of generation of MacBook Air,
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how the MacBook Air was like noticeably different
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than the MacBook Pro.
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And that ultimately meant the demise
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of that generation of MacBook Air
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'cause it never got the retina display.
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But now it has like almost all the good parts
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of the MacBook Pro, but with the trade offs dialed,
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you know, a little bit differently
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to give you a different experience.
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And it's a great little machine.
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I mean, I'm gonna finish setting it up this evening
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and my plan is to use it as my notebook,
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which actually next week, due to uninteresting reasons,
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I'm actually going to be on my laptop a good bit.
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I'm not going to be in the office very much next week.
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And so I expect to put it through my, put it through its paces, uh, in a bigger
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way, but so far just, you know, getting it out of the box, setting it up, using it
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a little bit, it's, it's a very impressive little machine.
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Do you think that you will be tempted to get one?
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I am very happy with the 14 inch MacBook pro and I really like having
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HDMI and SD card slot.
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So I don't think so.
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I want to know what kind of user.
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What kind of connected listener do you think
00:35:07
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should consider this computer instead of a MacBook Pro?
00:35:10
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- Honestly, the way I think about this,
00:35:13
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and this really, I think, has been true
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in the Apple Silicon era,
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is your default answer should be the Air
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unless you have a specific reason to go to the Pro.
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So if you have multi-threaded workflows
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that really benefit from the bigger system on a chip
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found in the MacBook Pro,
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or if you need HDMI and SD card stuff on a regular basis
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and you don't want to deal with dongles as much.
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I mean, really in the time I've had my MacBook Pro,
00:35:43
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I got rid of my big like multi-dongle thing,
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I took it out of my bag and I put it in my,
00:35:48
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just in the drawer and I just have a couple of USB-C
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to A ones in my bag now.
00:35:52
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So those sorts of things are nice,
00:35:54
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but I think everyone should start with,
00:35:57
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does the MacBook Air meet my needs?
00:35:58
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And only if you have serious workflow requirements,
00:36:03
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do you move up.
00:36:04
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And with the M2,
00:36:06
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even if that means like editing 4K video occasionally,
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I don't think that disqualifies the MacBook Air anymore.
00:36:12
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Now, if you're doing really complicated video stuff,
00:36:16
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if you're doing a lot of heavy software development,
00:36:18
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if you're doing a lot of really complicated audio stuff,
00:36:22
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sure, the MacBook Pro is gonna serve you really well.
00:36:25
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But that's a pretty small group of people, I think,
00:36:28
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out in the real world, and I think especially with the M2,
00:36:32
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you get such incredible performance,
00:36:36
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then don't go up to the probe unless you really have to.
00:36:39
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Myke, you've had yours for, or Apple's now,
00:36:41
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for a little bit now.
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How have you come along in your decision-making
00:36:47
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about getting one for yourself?
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- Well, I haven't canceled that order.
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And I'm still in the phase where it's early, right?
00:36:59
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Like the earliest I'm gonna get that machine
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is like, I think the middle of August.
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So I'm still giving,
00:37:07
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I need to send this laptop back to Apple next week.
00:37:11
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And so my plan is to make my decision before I do that.
00:37:15
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I did buy a 12 South Book ark thing.
00:37:21
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- Yeah, yeah.
00:37:23
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which would be for my MacBook Pro
00:37:27
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to be permanently plugged into a monitor on my desk.
00:37:31
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So I did commit to that part, right?
00:37:34
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Because then the idea is the MacBook Pro
00:37:35
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becomes the machine that I record and edit on.
00:37:38
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So I committed to those $50 or whatever.
00:37:42
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At the moment, it's looking really likely
00:37:45
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because I very much enjoy this MacBook Air in my bag
00:37:50
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every day way more than putting the MacBook Pro
00:37:53
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in my bag every day and carrying it around
00:37:56
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'cause it's just like easier, the bag is less full,
00:37:59
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it's easier to put my Steam Deck in my backpack
00:38:01
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because the Steam Deck in the case is like mammoth.
00:38:05
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So I don't know, at the moment I'm leaning towards it.
00:38:10
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I still don't feel great about the fact that it's like
00:38:15
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that I have nothing to sell to help fund it
00:38:19
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But I might just kind of bite the bullet
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and commit to not be upgrading again
00:38:24
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for another couple of years of either of these laptops
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is the plan, if I do it.
00:38:29
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- Interesting.
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Well, I'm not buying one for anyone
00:38:32
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who might be curious about this.
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So that's my opinion.
00:38:36
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It looks really good.
00:38:37
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- You're using a 14 inch MacBook Pro, right?
00:38:39
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- Yeah, I'm using that one right now.
00:38:42
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I honestly like, it's just so nice to have all this power
00:38:47
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and I love my chunky computer, you know?
00:38:51
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- Yeah, but you're not moving it around, right?
00:38:54
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This is the thing of like, I'm taking it--
00:38:55
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- No, that's the thing.
00:38:56
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- Or like it's in my backpack all the time.
00:38:59
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And so I kind of want the smallest,
00:39:01
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lightest computer for that,
00:39:03
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but still being able to take advantage of the power
00:39:06
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of my MacBook Pro in the thing that I need it the most for.
00:39:11
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'Cause like the thing that I need the most power for,
00:39:15
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I'm currently using an M1 iMac with 16 gigabytes of RAM for that.
00:39:20
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So I think that this will allow for a more logical reshifting of the computers
00:39:24
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that I have,
00:39:25
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but I do feel like three computers is too many computers for one man to have.
00:39:29
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Yeah. I mean, I've got a little bit of that too.
00:39:31
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Like I've got the Mac studio and that's my machine 98% of the time.
00:39:36
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Like I could get away easily with a MacBook Air. I think as my notebook,
00:39:40
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I got the 14 inch MacBook Pro and really love it. But like if I, if it,
00:39:45
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Like say that it got destroyed or lost or stolen
00:39:49
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or something like, I don't know if I'd replace it
00:39:51
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with a MacBook Pro again.
00:39:54
◼
►
- So we do have beta four of iOS and iPadOS 16
00:39:58
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and all the other OS's, Ventura, watchOS, HomePod
00:40:01
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and whatever, all the other stuff that we don't care about.
00:40:03
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- TVOS baby.
00:40:05
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- TVOS, so there's a few things I wanna touch upon,
00:40:07
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a few changes that I've noticed
00:40:09
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that I wanna cover in here.
00:40:11
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So there's now an official developer documentation
00:40:14
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for the live activities.
00:40:17
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That's the special notifications that will go live later
00:40:20
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this year, not as part of iOS 16.
00:40:23
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That's the stuff for real-time updates, basically,
00:40:27
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that they showed off at WWDC for Uber and sports apps.
00:40:30
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You want to keep track of the game.
00:40:31
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Want to keep track of your food delivery order, whatever.
00:40:36
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There's now an official API and documentation for developers.
00:40:40
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So if you're interested in building for that,
00:40:43
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I believe it's called Activity Kit.
00:40:44
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So go check it out, there's documentation now.
00:40:47
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Some interesting changes to iMessage
00:40:51
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when it comes to the two features
00:40:56
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arguably that Apple is kind of copying from WhatsApp this year.
00:41:00
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So unsending and editing messages.
00:41:03
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There's a couple of changes in here worth noting.
00:41:07
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Now you can unsend a message for up to two minutes
00:41:13
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after sending it.
00:41:15
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I believe they took this down from 15 minutes, right?
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Used to be 15 minutes.
00:41:20
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- I thought that meant it was more time.
00:41:22
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- Am I mistaken?
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Am I mistaken?
00:41:25
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- No, I think you might be right.
00:41:26
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I think you might be right.
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- You can still edit for up to 15 minutes,
00:41:32
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but now you can only unsend for up to two minutes.
00:41:36
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So that's the change in this week's beta.
00:41:39
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And you can still edit for 15 minutes.
00:41:41
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For edits-- now, this is a fascinating change
00:41:44
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that Apple is making here.
00:41:46
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For edits, you can make up to five edits for any given
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message, and the recipients will see a record of all the edits
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in the message.
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So there's a new--
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if you-- and I just tried this with a group chat that we have.
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If you edit a message, there's a new edited button.
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You can tap that, and it'll show you
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log of all the previous versions of the message.
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And looks like you guys are also making these edits, and I can tap on...
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Yeah, I want to see it now.
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You can see that.
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Oh, yeah, look at that.
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Yeah, you can see the log.
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You get little ghost messages.
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So once again, Apple has done this better than Twitter, but that's a different conversation.
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Anyway, and lastly, I also wanted to cover, well, first of all, sadly,
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doesn't look like there's any changes on the iPadOS side of things.
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And I can actually tell you that one of the requests that I filed for Stage Manager,
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specifically the option to transfer an entire workspace of apps to an external display.
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So the idea of taking three, four apps on your iPad and clicking a button or pressing a hotkey
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to say move all of this at once to an external display.
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My request was denied because I got a response from the feedback app
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saying we decided not to pursue or whatever this feature right now.
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So, you know, sad trombone. But yeah, that's...
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Federico who? Am I right? You know what I'm saying?
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I like being a carer with that guy.
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We don't care about that guy.
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That's what you get for not going to WWDC, you know?
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I know. I know. I know.
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I deserve it, I deserve it.
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You don't care, we don't care.
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And for Mail, they also brought some changes for the undo send feature.
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Now you can turn that on or off in settings and you can set the duration for the undo send time.
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And I believe you can also turn on and off the follow-up preference in settings.
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So if you want to be reminded to follow up in some messages and you don't care about following up
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up in other people you can turn that off in settings. You know you've reminded me
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of something about mail which I just think is so ridiculous that schedule
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send thing that the computer has to be on for that to work. Yeah. Yeah. I just I
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know why like because of the way that Apple does things etc etc why that's the
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case but like why would you use that feature like you I don't know it just
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seems so silly to me like I mean also I would just say like maybe this is just a
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thing. I don't even, I don't, I know why people do it.
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I don't understand why people do it. Like if you do in the email,
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just send the email like you do in the email to send it.
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But I guess, but that's just me.
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I know that different people like to do things different ways of wise.
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These features wouldn't exist, but.
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There's, there's also an update in settings notifications.
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I spoke last time about the stacking versus list,
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and now there's a little drawing showing you what they look like.
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Yeah, we thought this would happen, right?
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Because it was just very strange to be like,
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here are these three things you've never heard of before.
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You work it out.
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Yeah, and I'm back on, as a follow-up from last week,
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I am back on ListView.
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I just kind of got tired of losing things to the ether
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and the background of the stack.
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So ListView for me.
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You're gonna upset the count.
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Wait, did you stop the count?
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Is that what you did?
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Wow. Oh my god, Myke. I just got it. Oh my god. That's like an- that's very bad and perfect at the same time.
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That's what I was going for, you know?
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I- I hate it and I love it.
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You know what? Just hold a news conference outside of lawn care company and talk about it.
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What a wild time to be alive, you know? What a time to be alive.
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I wonder if this beta will make my phone less hot.
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My phone gets so hot right now.
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Like if sometimes it like it hurts to hold my iPhone.
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Oh, oh, gosh. Mine's not that bad.
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Well, I don't use a case.
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Oh, yeah. I guess the leather is absorbing some heat for me.
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I'm getting like complete, you know,
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I'm getting complete like phone to skin transfer.
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It's very hot.
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I'm running the watchOS beta 2.
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I don't see an update for that yet.
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But other than a couple of days where the battery life's been kind of bad,
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it's been totally fine.
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And I really like the new some of the new workout stuff,
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like some of the new split views and stuff when you're on a walk or run
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are pretty nice.
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It's it's mostly good stuff this year so far, I think.
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I've held off on the watch.
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I'm still holding off on the watch, but I was nervous about doing it
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because it's is it still impossible to undo?
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I think it is.
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But I was I've been pleasantly surprised with it.
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Is it impossible to undo?
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It used to be. I don't know about anymore.
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Stage Manager feels like smoother to rearrange stuff.
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To me on my iPad. Snappier. Like Safari snappier.
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Feel snappier?
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Yeah, there isn't really. They've still got that thing where like if you try and add another
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window and it's like "later on this is coming later, stop asking! Leave me alone!"
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"No, you gotta use drag and drop for now!"
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Don't do this.
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Please stop.
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Why would you click that button, man?
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Come on, don't do this.
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What I think they've done with Stage Manager is there may be,
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when you mention it's smoother,
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I think what they've done is they're making some adjustments
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in terms of when you remove an app from the stage,
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they recenter the only one app left.
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And I think that's a little bit smoother than before.
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And that makes sense, right?
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because if I'm removing stuff from the workspace and I'm left with just one app,
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it's fine if you want to zoom it and center it on screen.
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I think that part is a little bit smoother.
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I don't see any new keyboard shortcuts, I don't see any particular new gestures,
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but I agree, it does feel, based on these five minutes that I play with it,
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it does seem a bit more fluid.
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How many apps can you have on a stage?
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It's just for I wondered if it was a limit of the iPad
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No, it's up to four on the iPad and another four on the display so you can do up to eight in
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In theory, but that's you know four on the iPad four under display my my rule-breaking
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iPad because I have the 64 gigabyte no memory swap iPad of which stage manager runs perfectly fine on
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Man, I was just I wanted to try you guys so hard just now
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But I thought it wasn't fair to the passionate ones because I wanted to ask the question
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Do you have either of you ever or do you currently track your sleep?
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And I've thought it would be fun to pose that as a quiz question
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That felt unfair, you know, like it was I wanted to troll you
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I don't want to troll every listener by letting them think the quiz is about to begin
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The quiz is not about to begin, but I would like to know, have either of you ever tracked
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I've done it.
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Do you currently?
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No, I do not.
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Because I, because everything, my life is very complicated right now and there's no,
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I just, I have to wake up early.
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So honestly, I've kind of settled on an…
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I think I've gotten better at knowing when I gotta go to sleep and I think the change
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is that I've become an alarm clock person.
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It used to be, you know, many, many years ago you guys used to make fun of the fact
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that Sylvia would wake me up in the morning with a cup of coffee and now I just…
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Maybe I'm a bit more responsible.
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I set an alarm and I wake up when the alarm goes off.
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And so now I think I have a pretty good sense of when I'm supposed to go to sleep
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and I get my six hours, six and a half hours of sleep, and I'm fine,
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and I'm good for the day.
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And I just feel like I don't need to anymore.
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I feel like the tracking gave me a framework.
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Like, it helped me build the structure years ago.
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And there's still the occasional like, "Oh, shoot, it's 5 a.m."
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and I just stayed up binging a TV show or playing a video game.
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But that hasn't happened in a while.
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And I just know that, you know, because I have commitments in the early morning,
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I'm just, uh...
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I don't track my sleep because I know when I need to wake up anyway.
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So what do you mean it gave you a framework, though?
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Like, I'm interested to see, like, what did you feel like you gained from it?
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Yeah, so I feel like when I used to do it,
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First of all, it helped me understand I have this sort of hard limit in my body, I guess,
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where if I sleep less than six hours, I'm not going to have a good time in the morning.
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Like, that's like my ideal threshold.
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Like six hours is okay, seven hours you can do it.
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I go under six hours, I'm going to have a bad time.
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I go over seven hours, I'm also going to have a bad time because I'm going to feel groggy
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the whole...yeah, if I sleep too much, not great.
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Oh, interesting.
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I guess that happens when you get older, you know, you can sleep less, but if you sleep
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more then you also feel that.
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There's the...like again, there's the occasional time where I'm super exhausted the night before
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and I can sleep eight hours, but that's like twice a year, I think.
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But ideally, you know, in between six and seven hours is my ideal state.
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And that's the sort of discovery that I made by tracking my sleep years ago.
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We're talking like four or five years ago.
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And honestly, and this is also kind of weird,
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I, at the time, I, like, there was one time when I turned 30,
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when I really felt my body change,
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like, sort of, I don't know, but it felt like I,
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I remember distinctly, like, a week that I, I don't know,
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I started feeling different from before.
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I was like, "Hmm, I guess I'm growing older now,
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and I can feel it."
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And, yeah, that's when I, you know,
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started with sleep tracking, taking account of those numbers,
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and understanding, okay, the day that I slept five hours,
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I can see that I don't feel so great.
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The day that I got a good six and a half hours, I'm feeling pretty good.
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And you do that for enough months, you start seeing a pattern in there.
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And so now I know, if I need to wake up at 9.30,
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I better go to sleep at 3.30 or something,
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because otherwise I'm not going to have a good time in the morning.
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So that was useful to sort of understand.
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What did you use to do it?
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Mmm. Mmm. Not the Apple solution, I'll tell you that.
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Because the—so I'm very confused by the Apple way of doing things,
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because when I did it years ago, it wanted to—
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like, I really disliked the setting a schedule,
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because that's the thing. I don't want to set a schedule.
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I just want to know, like, I'm setting the alarm for the morning, each night in the clock app.
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That's what I want to do. And then I sort of, I want to self-regulate, if you wish, like,
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I'm setting the alarm and I know when I gotta go to sleep. Apple wanted me to have like a schedule
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for every day of the week. Yeah, like, you go to sleep at this time or wake up at this time.
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It's like, no, life doesn't really work like that. Exactly. It feels like, I don't know,
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I don't know if things have changed in the meantime,
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but it felt like a feature designed for people who go to the office every morning
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and who commute at a specific time every morning.
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Which, hey, is the right way to build that tool, right?
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Because that is the majority of the world.
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They have a schedule.
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But that's never been my case.
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And so when I used to be really into sleep tracking,
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I used AutoSleep, the Apple Watch app,
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excellent Apple Watch app that gave me just the information I needed.
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I set my alarm in the clock app and then I wore my Apple Watch to bed
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and when I woke up in the morning, it understood that I had waken up
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and it gave me the report and that's all I needed.
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Do you have to tell the app you're going to sleep?
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Nope. Nope, you don't.
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That's probably the auto, in auto sleep, right? There it is.
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Yeah, it's not called auto because of cars, it's called auto because it's automatic.
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Yeah, so that's my story.
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So with apples, do you have to say like, "Hey, watch, I'm going to bed now"?
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Yeah, again, I haven't tried it in the past year or so,
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but that's the way it was supposed to work years ago.
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Like, you got these bedtime reminders and you were supposed to...
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Yeah, I'm looking at the K-BASE article now.
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And you were like, "Yeah, I'm going to sleep now."
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I don't want to do that.
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So many, like, most of my going to sleep, like, the way that it works for me now
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is I fall asleep watching a YouTube video,
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like, or playing a video game.
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And when I'm realizing that I'm drifting off,
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I either put the switch to bed real quick
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and I set it aside on the nightstand,
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or I search for the TV remote, and I turn off the TV,
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and I turn on my side, and I go to sleep.
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Like, I recognize, okay, I'm drifting off.
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I better turn off the thing and go to sleep.
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That's how I do it.
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I set the alarm before,
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and I don't want to press any buttons.
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I don't want to have any interactions.
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I don't want to say, "Hey computer, I'm going to sleep."
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Because when I'm going to sleep, it's too hard for me to have any complex interactions
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with the display.
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Steven, do you ever do any of this?
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Wow, I didn't realize I had all these things.
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I don't use Apple's thing for the same reasons y'all talked about.
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It's too rigid for what I want.
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I do have Sleep++ from our friend_ installed in my phone and watch, but I don't sleep track
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at night, mainly because I don't like wearing my watch to bed. And that's a bummer. I mean,
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it captures naps because I'm not, you know, I could fall asleep like in an afternoon.
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So I can tell you on Saturday, July 2nd, I had a two hour nap from 1 to 3pm. It's pretty
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good. It's something that I've done. I did years ago and someone in the discord, forgive
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me, I can't find it now. But someone in the discourse like I don't know what to do with
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the data except I know that I need to sleep more and that's kind of how I feel
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about it. This is why I've never done it so this is why I want because I know I
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remembered Federico done it for longer and so like I wanted to hear what
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Federico just said really about like I did it for a period of time learn some
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stuff and stuff yes because I've always felt this way of like what am I supposed
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to do with this now the reason I'm asking today Stephen carry on with
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stories right now okay I'll get back to that sorry no I mean that's pretty much
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I'll have to say like I I get pretty decent amount of sleep now
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I don't sleep particularly well and like I kind of know that and I've tried some things to help it over the years
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But I don't know like I don't have a goal in mind for this data to work to like it's different
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You know wearing my Apple watch every day and like trying to close my rings like I have goals in terms of that
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but the sleep thing never really like jumped out at me is something that I wanted to
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dive into but I want to hear what what why you're thinking about it, so I
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Have made the decision has been suggested to me that I should stop
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Looking at my iPhone in bed. Hmm, right just like put the phone like when I'm in bed no more iPhone
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It's a good is a good idea, right?
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I just would sit I would go to bed and then I'll be on my iPhone
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I could be doing whatever I'm doing kind of like Federico's doing watching videos
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usually, but I could be doing anything on Instagram, like whatever.
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And so like I'm stopping that.
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And what I'm doing instead is listening to audio books.
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So the book that I mentioned earlier,
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the After Steven, I'm just listening to the audio book.
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And I've been putting that on at night,
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put on a little sleep timer,
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and I'm usually asleep before the sleep timer's done.
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And then the next day I have to try and find where I was in the book.
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But like whatever, it's like, it's doing the job.
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So like a couple of things happen.
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One was I set up a sleep focus mode.
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so I could have a specific home screen that got rid of the apps that I shouldn't be checking
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when I'm in bed and put the audiobook app, like the audible app on my home screen, right?
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So it's just right there for me.
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And there's also a sleep widget, which I think only exists in the sleep focus mode, which
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I'm very intrigued how that's the case.
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Like, am I wrong here?
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Like I couldn't seem to find this like sleep widget, but there is a sleep widget.
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I don't see it.
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it is in iowa 16 but it's not the same one i don't understand is there's like there's like a widget
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that appears on the sleep that i can't seem to replicate anyway anyway maybe i'm wrong i don't
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know whatever it's not important for the story and so in doing that like i just was like oh i'll
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get to set it up like with the times but no alarm so like during that time my iphone's also doing the
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thing where it like the screen goes dark and like which i actually kind of like because it's like
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reminding me like, "Stop looking now."
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So, and that's, I can kind of set that
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within a regular time parameter,
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even though I'm not going to sleep
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at the same time every day.
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And so one of the things that's happened to me
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is I'm going to bed and then I would usually be up
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for like maybe an hour, maybe more,
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like just in bed, just like doing whatever.
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But listening to the book, I'm falling asleep.
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And that means I'm falling asleep sooner
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than I would have fallen asleep before.
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So like anywhere between 30 to 90 minutes earlier
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than I would have otherwise.
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So I'm getting more sleep
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and I actually feel better in the morning.
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And so it's maybe for the first time in my life
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where I'm like, okay, so something's happened here.
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Maybe some information about this would be good.
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Now I don't know how useful it is
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without not having the information before,
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like it would be more helpful, right,
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if I was tracking before I was doing this.
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And then after I started doing this,
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so I'd have some comparisons to make,
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but it just made me wonder if like the two of you
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had ever done it.
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Cause I'm not decided on it because ultimately
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I actually don't think I want to wear my Apple watch
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in bed like that's the problem.
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It's too big of a watch.
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And I wouldn't want to wear the leather watch band
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that I wear.
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So then I have to be changing the watch band every day.
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It's like a whole thing.
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- Day watch, night watch.
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- I don't want to do that.
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That's for sure.
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- There's so there is a setting.
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it's in health under sleep.
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There is called track time in bed with iPhone.
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And it says health can give you a better understanding
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of your sleep patterns by using your sleep schedule.
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So you have to have that set up and analyzing
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when you pick up and use your iPhone during the night.
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So I guess that's like kind of a thing.
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- I mean, but all that's gonna do is just tell me hours,
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right? Like at least with the watch,
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I get some kind of idea of like movement.
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and if I'm like, you know what I mean?
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- Like if I'm disturbed at night and stuff like that.
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- 'Cause like I have it, it's telling me
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that I had seven hours and 21 minutes of in bedtime.
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- Right, but that doesn't mean you're asleep
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where the watch would know that a little bit better.
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- Exactly, and so, yeah, I'm not really sure.
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I don't really, I just haven't decided.
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I just wanted to see what you two thought about it.
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But this is the first time I've ever felt like,
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Like I maybe wanted to do something like this.
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- Have you considered the Bed-It product that Apple makes?
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Or they bought and own and still sell for some reason?
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- I mean, I'm aware that these things exist, yeah.
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- I just wonder if that would be like,
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'cause you had it under your seat,
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just on your side of the bed,
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and maybe it would be enough information to help?
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I don't know.
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- Can you still get it?
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- Let's see.
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I mean, there's still a website and you can still get the app, but...
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Yeah, can you buy the thing?
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There is nothing that suggests you can buy it anywhere.
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I mean, look on the Apple Store.
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It's spelled "Bet-It" like Reddit with a "B", which is fine.
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Wow, I'm not sure you can still buy it.
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There you go.
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It's the end of that then, I suppose.
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Yeah, I don't know.
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I'm just, I'm just trying, I'm in like the information gathering phase with this one.
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I have noticed a little difference and I'm enjoying listening to audiobooks at night.
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I'm searching eBay for "Bet It". Maybe you're gonna find a nice used one.
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Definitely don't want that.
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Oh no, you can buy it on Apple's, like on the Apple Store.
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Oh, and you can't hear. I searched for it and it doesn't come up.
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It's £150, USB-A.
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I think you should try it and report back.
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I don't know if I want this. Really? I don't know if I want it.
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Where does the data even go?
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- Into the Betit app, and then I would imagine into health.
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- Does anyone know the answers to these questions?
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- I just answered it, it's in the app.
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- No, do you know it works in health?
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- Let's see, Betit, Apple.
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- Real time follow up from Jason Snow in the Slack chat.
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I have a Betit.
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- It does pair with the iPhone with Bluetooth
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and goes to health.
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- There we go.
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Jason, do you like it though?
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Like, all you've just told me is you have it.
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- Could you Big Apple Buddy it to Myke?
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- No, I can buy it.
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Like it is available for me to buy.
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I could get it tomorrow if I wanted to.
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Jason did not stick with it.
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- I'm not gonna spend 150 pounds on it.
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- Well, maybe try the watch thing for like a week to see.
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- Yeah, that's my advice.
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I think like, I guess my question would be,
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what are you looking for?
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- I don't know.
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- Mm-hmm. Like, because when I was doing it, I had a clear question.
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And my question was, how much sleep do I need? - Yeah.
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- But your question might be different. So I think you should start from the question.
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- Well, the question is, is this useful? That's the question. Like, I've always asked this about sleep tracking.
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It's like, I don't know if this is a useful thing. And I actually think now I have potentially missed the useful window for me.
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Do you feel like you have a problem with your sleep right now?
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Like when you wake up are you feeling tired like right there in the morning?
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No, as I said I feel better now in the past week than I did before because I'm getting a little bit more sleep.
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But like my problem is with sleep is I always feel like I could have more and I've been like this since I was a teenager.
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I could sleep for 12 hours and I still feel like I would need more sleep.
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like I've always kind of been that way but I am waking up at least this past week or
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so feeling a little bit better I think it's because I'm getting to a little bit more sleep
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I think it would have been more useful for me if I would have been sleep tracking prior
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to starting this new thing that I'm doing to see if that makes a difference yeah I don't
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know I just wanted to get this information I don't know if I'm gonna do anything about
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this I might try it just to see if step one I don't mind sleeping with the Apple watch
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on I actually think probably not right now plus it's still really warm at home
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and so I don't know if I want to sleep with the Apple watch on. Our home has not
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cooled down since the heat wave it's just like retaining all the heat it's
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still like 29 degrees Celsius at home and there seems to be nothing that we
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can do to stop it doing that. Is it hotter in the kitchen? Isn't it always?
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Could be a could be a heat sink issue. Alright wrap up the show. Yeah that's a
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a new low even for you.
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- I don't wanna do this anymore.
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- If you wanna find-- - You gotta be stopped.
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- If you wanna find links to stuff we spoke about,
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