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I'm gonna go go to bed and my friends
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and she's back in the fridge yeah good
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and i would recommend that
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how's things yeah still coughing but you
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know it's winter and I have a kid so
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that's good that's a given right every
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ounce of my being wants to get smug
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about how all come on I never get sick
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you can't you must be just your week of
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immune system but i know that i will be
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paying this price in 23 years at 1-year
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try one year probably that's true so my
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office has opened a San Francisco well
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strictly speaking an Oakland office
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which i guess is different enough from
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San Francisco that people from the area
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get perturbed if you confuse the two
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those California sensitivities and
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indeed well they've opened a Oakland
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office and the other day i was trying to
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get something accomplished with one of
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my co-workers out there and he had said
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oh I have to go for a long lunch because
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all the executives are in town and so
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you know always on vacation California
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blah blah and then I finally caught up
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with him after his launch this is
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already like roughly quitting time for
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me and he says oh you know what I can't
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do a google hangout with you to work
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through this issue because we're all
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going to the Tesla factory for a tour
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right now and i'm jealous i wish i could
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go on and I'm said don't get free cars
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you know they just you know see other
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cars being made
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I loved the BMW factory tour so much it
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was almost if not a problem was one of
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the highlights of that trip I thought it
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was in nominally cool yeah just a video
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that uh that I think I Greg put on
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Twitter of the it slave you know metal
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milling machine lathe oh my god yeah
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with it with the coolant coming out
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these the center or not that when he
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showed it was that you know ladies just
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think that spins an item and usually
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bring it to close to it as it spins you
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can shave off parts but this is the
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thing where the items spun and also the
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the cutting tool also moved in and out
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and up and down and it was making
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basically a crankshaft for an engine
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which you know I totally missed that it
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really could be because it's got to you
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can imagine I crankshaft looks like you
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can't just lay that out it's not a
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rotationally symmetrical so it has to
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cut all that stuff
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like its rotating the pieces imagine
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just trying to cut like part of the part
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of a crank shaft that connects to the
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piston right wallet while the crank
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shaft is rotating along its normal
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rotation also whole thing that cuts the
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piston and has to trace that to make
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like it was amazing amazing looking
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I don't know if that's how all
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crankshafts are made like this is what
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it takes to make one crankshaft no
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wonder and wonder internal combustion
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engines cost so much money seriously was
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this great Coney yeah I am thoroughly
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intrigued by this and I i follow Greg's
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i'm surprised that i didn't notice it
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when it flew by
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maybe I declare bankruptcy that day or
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something fair enough how's everything
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else so Marco sick John you alive
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yeah I'm okay I'm activity worrying
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about my my children's health my son has
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had a cough for a month now somewhere in
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the middle more than a month somewhere
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in the middle of that after several
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weeks we took him to the doctor and
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they're like no he doesn't have you know
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bronchitis or pneumonia or any other
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thing that we can do anything about and
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they just give them an inhaler and send
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him home and it's like you still
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coughing so now we're trying like zyrtec
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just like allergy medication and a
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theory that like somehow he's allergic
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to the change in seasons and I don't
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know and I thought I spend most of my
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time worrying about them but i'm i'm
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doing fine
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fisherman's friend was that cough like
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crazy cough drop thing that you like
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sucking on gross tasting things care is
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also cold it was so okay
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basically yes they are my crazy girls
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cough drops the fisherman's friend
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original you know red labeled variety
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you can get them on amazon i even which
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is nice
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they basically have like the most
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menthol and the least sugar of of most
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costly the problem cough drops is
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basically that they only really work
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when they're in your mouth once they're
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gone they stopped working almost
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immediately and but they do work while
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you still have them and so you can tend
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to have a lot of them you're really
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coughing a lot and you can have to make
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it all day
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you tend to have a lot of cough drops in
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in one day and if you have the regular
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like you know big square ricola kind or
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things like that they your your mouth
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shut so coated in sugar just disgusting
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your teeth get all slightly just really
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gross in your mouth after not that long
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the time whereas Fisherman's Friend
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they're incredibly strong like very
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dense menthol flavor and and there's a
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lot less sugar in them and they look
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gross and they taste gross else ok but
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they do they come with me little
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like a little Ziploc pal she can just
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keep that pouch in your pocket
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you don't have to like be unwrapping
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cough drops ricotta and then happy what
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do you do with these two rappers and
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come around each one and you gotta eat
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like a whole pocketful of spent cock
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drop rapper like it avoid that problem
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so in that they're good oh yeah a friend
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of ours
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the neighbor / friend swore by whatever
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it is the fisherman's friend that I
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guess you had recommended years ago and
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said because he has like a seasonal
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cough that just won't go away for months
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and and yeah he told me that the this
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real deal that those are the only things
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i can get him from hack it to keep him
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from hacking constantly yeah i mean like
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they're it's just menthol cough drops
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like there's no secret ingredient its
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menthol cough drops but menthol works
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and as far as I could tell from the
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basic research i did like couple years
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ago I did there doesn't seem to be like
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any kind of horrible side effects using
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a bunch of metal clatters when you have
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a cough so it it seems like it's a
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pretty good bet it is very effective
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when you have this kind of broccoli
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irritation nothing else really works to
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stop it like ego treatment treating it
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with like an inhaler and things can can
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solve the long-term problem but if you
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are coughing over-the-counter stuff like
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DXM syrup is not really affect this kind
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of cough so I'm an expert in coughing
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the last few years only in the winter
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time about 10,000 hours is all it takes
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right to 10,000 hours of coffee yeah
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i'll get there give me a few more years
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yeah yeah it's this is the video John
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yeah so if you go to like you know the
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three quarters of the way done is
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starting to take shape is what you
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really want to see is how does a
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carve-out the little parts that connect
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to the Pistons because those aren't
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along the rotational axis and then you
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see the thing rotating in the tool the
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same time it's this it's crazy
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oh my I mean you just wanted to watch
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the whole video can be kind of
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meditative to watch a 15-minute video
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machine building another part of a man
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god that's intense
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wow that is pretty damn cool I want one
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of these friend for no reason just I
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want to think it's bigger than your
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oh I'm sure it is there's no doubt in my
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mind that it is but i kinda want it i
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think of all the cool things I would
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never be able to figure out how to build
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this is what Greg just has one of the
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niftiest jobs in the world this is what
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like when you when you're a software
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developer anybody who like builds
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physical objects just blows your mind
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maybe we don't make anything like we
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just make its move around we make
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nothing and so that the physical world
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like baffles us it's like mystic work
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all that weed we don't know how these
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things get here they just get here we
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can we complain about them don't include
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me in this I know how things get here
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I know where food comes from your
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weekend that's why you are royal and I'm
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servile no food comes from square
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packages and so we should probably start
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with some follow-up and try to get this
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train back on the tracks
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I so Alex how old wrote in to tell us
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about the nintendo 3ds so I believe
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that's your job John to tell us about
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this last show on retirement attendance
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which I was questioning whether we were
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all questioning like warrant for the 3ds
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for apples of her apple for nintendo's
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portable and I did that mistake like
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three times the last episode 2 saying
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Apple easy i think confused until they
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buy each other anyway and I said you
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know I have been following so someone
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knows we send a link Sox hell did it's
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an interview with the president endo who
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I still realized in my mind I keep
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thinking is a water but he died
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sadly is this untimely death i think
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last year or maybe was always here I
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remember anyway there's this new person
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whose name is a tattoo me kima i'm
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pronouncing it correctly
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Jamie she ma I'm close as an interview
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and the question from the interview is
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in bloomberg question will you
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discontinue 3ds answer from the
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president endo thanks to our software 3d
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hardware still growing so that business
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still has momentum and certainly rather
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than being cannibalized by the switch we
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think 3ds two can continue in its own
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form which is a perfectly businesslike
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answer that completed Marcus suggestion
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last show which is that they're just
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gonna keep it going if this which takes
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off in Canada switch doesn't take off
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then they'll be glad they kept going so
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that seems like what they're doing
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fair enough is that all follow up now
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you guys are slacking off on the fault
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I mean it was a lot of all I'm not the
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only one with all the other follow-up
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have item on the switch to some random
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thing that i read that i don't have a
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link for was about the switch when you
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you know so you pick it up and it's like
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a little thing you hold in your hands
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get a little control just slide on the
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side but what if you're gonna sit on
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your couch and do it you put the switch
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but it looks like a big
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you know sixteen by nine inch screen you
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put that in like a docking station looks
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kind of like a napkin holder right it's
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like a little little upright vertical
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thing that you slide the switch into and
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when you put the switch in that docking
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station one of the advantages to being
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docked aside from obviously not writing
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whatever like that it's a common thing
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account there and happens on her account
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that they probably don't have much stuff
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her account and does stuff you know
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whatever use the computer while
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everything is fine
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probably multiple days because we never
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turn this computer opposite goes to
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sleep but it's never actually offer
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notification dialogue are created and
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create it opens the iCloud preference
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pane and then does nothing like it
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doesn't do anything I claude
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motion of ok i will create a new I cloud
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security code didn't even you know I
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know how to do it i'll go into the thing
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and click on the thing blonde enter new
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code baba that appears to have no effect
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you can do it but doesn't matter couple
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days later you're going to see that like
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when you see that dialogue was trying to
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tell you like what you will find out
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later if you just continue to use your
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computer is that basically nothing
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involving passwords works usually show
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for me that like it can mount this
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technology anymore because the the
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password for the technologies and the
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keychain right and so can mount this
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it will stop doing time machines back up
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to it and complain that it can't do that
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if you try to log into a website or
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anything like that is not getting
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passwords out of the keychain if you try
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to login somewhere and enter a password
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say sorry couldn't say couldn't find the
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system keychain or couldn't find the
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login keychain or something like that to
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save your password and if you launch
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keychain access and look at it you see a
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bunch of blank on blank icons in the
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sidebar and a little Texas as read-only
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mode like it's like your key chains are
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all gone they're all still there if you
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look in your library you know keychains
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thing they're all sitting there
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the files are there they're perfectly
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fine as far as i can tell but keep an
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actress won't even show their icons let
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alone any of their contents and it says
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everything is in read-only mode and the
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you read everything's fine again for a
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nothing is corrupted they removed the
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keychain first-aid menu item i have no
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idea what the hell it did but it made me
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feel good i would have tried that if
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that option is still there but is not
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but is totally inexplicable me I keep
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looking in activity monitor to see like
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is there is some sec tu no demon that is
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hung or something and I'll see it's
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showing up as red because it's not
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pulling events offer you know what i
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don't like is there something I can
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restart but I i have not figured this
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out and because it's one of those every
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few days type of problems sometimes
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maybe only once a week and the cure is a
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very fast reboot like
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my my motivation to troubleshoot it has
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been low but it's increasing but i don't
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really know what to do people saying to
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you know disk utility set user
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permissions on everything or you have
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the equivalent of repair permissions
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like impressions all seem to be fine and
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I don't quite know what is going wrong
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after days of using the computer that
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suddenly the keychain just go away like
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it's not corrupt files is not corrupt
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data because then just nothing would
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work ever and I don't even know where to
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distribute this to Sierra I keep hoping
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they'll be a point update to Sierra and
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like well whatever this will be some you
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know glitch and then it will go away in
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a point update but the point is face to
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Sierra don't seem to be coming out very
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quickly i know there's one in flight
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right now but I'm not on the beta train
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maybe I should get on that and see if it
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changes things what are you doing all
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this is say that is that has prevented
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me one of the many things that has
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prevented me from upgrading my
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technically incompatible mac pro two
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Sierra like well I don't want to do with
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that my macpro works the way it's
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supposed to and how many of these
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problems so why would I want to bring
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them on it could be related to a nice
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imac could be related to the specific
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data on there you know who knows it
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could be something corrupt in iCloud
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really I it's one of those things it's
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very difficult to know what the deal is
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but half the reason I'm mentioning on
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the show is because you know I've been
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doing it for a long time and it's you
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know worth getting out there in case of
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people having a problem but really it
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selfishly I'm hoping someone's gonna
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tell me how to fix it figures
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I just haven't had time to dive into
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this and figure out what the deal is and
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googling for it is not turning up
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anything maybe I'll actually you know
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you know you're really desperate i'm
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thinking of filing a radar like just
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because working even say that after some
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weird amount of time usually a couple
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days this happens and i'll just send
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them like screenshots of keychain access
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showing everything is blank and reboot
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and it fixes it so I don't know sort of
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tangentially related i don't remember
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when it was but it was easily a couple
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years ago I used to very frequently get
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this weird bug with my magic mouse and I
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don't remember it happening with the
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trackpad on my laptops but maybe it did
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but certainly with magic mouse if I
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would use the one fingers
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a left-to-right scroll in order to go
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back a page in safari the the active
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page would move right maybe 50 points a
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hundred points and then it would just
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freeze and safari would be like freaking
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useless until you quit and restart it
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started to come back and it happened i
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believe on both my work and personal
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machines which was super creepy and
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really weird and it's only happened a
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couple times and I haven't had happened
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since but this was infuriating when it
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constantly and it actually also happened
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in chrome once which was also super
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weird and I don't need to hear anyone
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emailing me about how I should use
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chrome and safari or about how i should
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use safari and chrome my my web browser
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choices are my business thank you very
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much but it was certainly very weird and
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very not reliably reproducible so
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similarly i'm not sure what kind of
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radar I should fire file other than hey
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look the window is frozen with the with
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me a hundred points into a back
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animation that's weird
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totally sounds like a laptop bug
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everyone has laptop always liked or
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graphics bugs ready to like their GP
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your drivers are weird GPU issues
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especially with the dual GPU switching
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stuff like that could be my favorite
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thing is that the bug is sinking itself
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hopefully between your work and home
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computers right he takes head unlike
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your board shortcut I was just about to
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say that got hit I was just about to say
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idea of keyboard shortcuts are still
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lost in the ether but hey this bug is
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sinking just great thanks iCloud oh one
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more thing about my keychain thing I
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remembered this many times I don't know
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if this is related or separate for many
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times or since upgrading to Sierra the
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computer will get into a state where
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cannot go to any website using HTTPS you
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know pls know all that but it it you try
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to load one of them they will say sorry
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could make a secure connection or
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whatever whatever weird error screen to
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the browser doesn't matter the browser
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Sierra you know Safari Chrome but they
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even tried firefox was like it just
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can't do this a lot of the symptoms are
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explained like oh your time that the
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your clock is off because many things
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will get screwed up if your clock is off
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lot of like certificates and expiration
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things or
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just agreement between the two ends of a
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connection about what the hell time and
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date it is so almost all of the googling
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that you do about this like oh you just
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need to you know your computer's clock
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is wrong it's why you can't do anything
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involving chair that's why you can't do
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anything involving secure sites so I
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can't tell you the number of times like
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it's happening I mean look at the clock
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inside is that clock right is that
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today's date you know what year is it
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it's like I'm time traveling but and
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I've turned off and TP and turn it back
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on and just as far as i can tell every
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time this happened the time and date
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have been exactly correct and toggling
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that stuff does not restore anything to
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working state and again solution is
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always to restart and comes back like
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nothing is wrong and everything is
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perfectly fine
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yeah remember when we used to make fun
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of the windows users for restarting
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their computers constantly that was
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awesome i mean that the thing is like as
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as somebody whose windows user a lot
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until two thousand five or six or so I
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generally only had to restart my windows
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computer about as often as every start
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my mac you know and as partly because i
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was i got on the windows NT kernel early
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like I i start using Windows 2000 since
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it's a beta in February 99 like drop the
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98 Colonel it by the wayside as quickly
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as it possibly could even I couldn't
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print for like a year but it was worth
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it's a fucking ok but so you know it
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generally if you if you treat your
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computer's well if you are if you know
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what you're doing you don't usually have
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to restart windows or max more
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frequently than the other it is the
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little concerning that like oh man
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there's so many bugs in mac OS now it's
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really kind of sad it makes me sad that
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you know we get feedback telling us to
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stop complaining about Apple because for
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some reason we aren't allowed to but it
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really does make me sad to see my my
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computing platform of choice that I love
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so much
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they're all there's a little lot of bugs
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now and it's it's not like massive
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showstoppers like George password think
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most of the time like most times it's
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more little stuff like the other day
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like i've been using apples apples new
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notes absence it was launched in what
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iOS 9 whatever that was I think that's
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right and i've been using that for like
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all my little by little notes and I'm a
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pretty light notes user in general like
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I don't I never liked heavily used to
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the dropbox editor before that I have
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something like you know
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15 notes maybe it isn't a large number
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of them and I'm not if they're like
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always open i'll open and check one
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thing and then close and it's worked
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perfectly for me until last week now
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like notes just basically don't think
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reliable between devices anymore like
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and I tried locking at iCloud log back
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in it doesn't work but it's just nothing
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can make my notes sink reliably to
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certain devices anymore like my laptop
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logging in logging out worked my ipad
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logging and logging out didn't work like
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it's just like it's everything I never
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had to do this stuff before and it's
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just like come on late and this is this
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is this is what makes iCloud bugs and I
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message also like you know if people
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have these problems I'm exercise
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beginning it is so often the the answer
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that you get if you if you ask people or
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even if he has heard that if you can get
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Apple to tell you anything
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the answer that you guys usually like
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well just like sign of iCloud clear
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everything off sign everything back in
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its like that's not a solution like that
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that should never be the answer that is
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never good enough that's like telling
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somebody restore your phone and you know
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I don't restore from backup starkly for
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your phone erased everything you lose
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everything but that's that's not an
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answer that that is not a good solution
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and there's just so many bugs now that
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come up seemingly for no reason when it
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you know in not even edge case usage
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like I feel like now you're an edge case
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if you don't have one of these bugs
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hitting at least one of your various
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Apple syncservices actually outside my
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damn keyboard shortcuts which in the
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grand scheme of things are not that
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important i actually don't really have
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any of these problems I'll for longest
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time when people would complain and moan
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about I message ever almost everyone had
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a horror story i might be an iMessage
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unicorn because i cannot recall a time
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that I've had more than just a very
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brief hiccup not this like continual in
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non delivered messages or out-of-band
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messages you know split conversations
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where your send a message to me and then
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like I reply to your day later but it
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shows up in a separate conversation so
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you have two conversations that are just
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mean you
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yeah but that makes perfect sense like I
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it's unfortunate lyrics cents short does
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not so the problem
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this is particularly bad with group
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messages but i believe the problem to be
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that somebody say like let's say two
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three of us and I send my message to
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john's phone number in Marcos email
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address and i know i know i know the
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source of the problem but we're the same
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people like this is not you know you
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send it to my apple ID and not to my
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phone of like we're the same people to
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same icon in the application combine
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them don't make them but no i agree with
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you i totally agree with you but at
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least that problem kind of sort of makes
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sense and really and like there's no
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solution to that because it's like uh
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you know you have to make sure even if
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you make sure all your devices are set
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to when i send a message I want to send
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it from either my phone number or my
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apple ID if you like if you make it all
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consistent on your end it doesn't matter
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because you can't control how people
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contact you and it's just it's chaos
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it's you will never be merged you can
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just you just gotta hope that people
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will reply to the same thing that I got
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it on a device that is configured like
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it's intractable it's not it's not good
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they need to come up with a solution to
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see this is why the unified timelines
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bad because it gets you spoiled I'm just
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want my consistency and that's a series
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of events one following the other really
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confusing right I know it's ridiculous
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no but I also i'm trying to say is that
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outside of my damn keyboard shortcuts
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which drive me absolutely bananas i
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actually don't really have any common
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bug that I feel like I hit on a regular
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basis now that my ram is actually for
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kick but I I do feel that the one off
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bugs like for example at a kernel panic
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earlier today which is something i
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haven't had happened in a long time it's
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gotta be the ram yep it was my works not
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sure I've a kernel panic like I average
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about one kernel panic per year over all
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idevices that's about right
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yes and I go multiple years without any
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and it's like being in a cluster in a
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year or you know it's and whenever I see
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when I think something is wrong
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hardware-wise at this point talking
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about how often you reboot like in the
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bad old days of the maxima nineties you
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know you would hear the bombs the little
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bonds that marker will insert into the
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podcast at this point all
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over the office all the time from poor
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developers on classic mac OS trying to
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use Adobe products to get their work
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done and it's just inevitable that
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you'll get all system freeze at some
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point probably averaging like one point
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something per day for them if you if you
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knew what you were doing and have
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limited set of non adobe software
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essentially like I could go days and
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days with just might be be edited and
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you know I e5 running or whatever but
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eventually you don't know if you're
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doing anything complicated or stressing
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and warm water staying in this little
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groove you know no no memory protection
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is like is this some reason Marco got
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off of windows 95 98 on to 2050 just
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want to get out of that world so things
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are still way better than you know in
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living memory and my very vivid living
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memory of how bad it used to be an idiot
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you know the colonel packs like in terms
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of what is the stability of the core
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system that is one of things i
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emphasized early on my OS 10 reviews
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then called Mac os10 they they did a
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really good job with the like does the
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operating system crash but as a user you
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don't care
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basically if the colonel crashes because
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if the if the entire UI freezes and the
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only way to get out of it is like you
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know kill login window and send you back
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to the login screen it might be Colonel
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might as well have crashed because
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everything you were doing his host was
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like all the operating system is fine
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life and like you said Marko if you see
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things above that might started flaking
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the chat room which I'm definitely gonna
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try because it smells right to make from
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a tipster for solve my problem is turn
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off iCloud keychain which I have turned
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could you know could be like locking my
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files and some weird-ass way it's like
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fine I'll just turn that feature off and
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the the stuff so you can see if that
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solves it because I everything we've
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listed so far as like if it involves
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iCloud that means it involves something
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other than the bits on your computer and
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is very often buggy but anyway I i think
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the stability and reliability of
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everything not having to do with cloud
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services on the mac has pretty much
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gotten better over time
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know upward line it goes up and down up
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and down but in general the trend is
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good so I'm thankful for that every day
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more my beautiful 2008 powermac which is
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just at this point because it's running
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like the very latest version of El Cap
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solid i can't remember the last time i
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had any kind of problem it would just
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get another reason i'm motivated
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upgraded to give machine
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all I was trying to say earlier is that
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there I do think that things are pretty
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good and this is what you were you know
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saying John did things are so much
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better than they used to be and i don't
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i don't want to perpetuate the oh all
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the three of us to do is complain idea
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but because things are pretty darn great
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as long as you're not trying to keep a
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sink keyboard text replacement underwear
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ok I have literally never use that
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feature i have never created or deleted
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any of these things until until earlier
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last week when I was I was setting up my
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new laptop and i noticed i was going
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through the preference windows it was
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the first clean install I done in a long
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time and it in this in this text
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shortcuts was about 16 copies of the
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default on my way entry that they're
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like the heads gotta let that go great
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that's I've literally never touched this
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feature and somehow i have 16 copies of
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this like obviously there is no effort
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being put into this reach the reason
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that feature always comes up in our
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circles is because it is like it's like
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the easiest I example of sync like the
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amount of data is so small it's all just
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text and it's a lightly or unused
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feature it's almost as if like if you
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wanted to a demo application of like
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cloudkit and the sinking services that
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modern sitting services he would say
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let's just pretend we're thinking you
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know keyboard shortcuts was just you
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know name-value pairs all plain text
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like it can't get any easier than that
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and if that doesn't work a hundred
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percent rock solid reliable what hope in
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the world does anybody have to build a
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reliable singing engine for an
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application with actual complicated data
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on top of apples cloud services so
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that's why it always comes up like it's
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not just because we're all obsessed with
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text shortcuts because yeah it's it's
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like a canary
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you know it's like if they if that
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doesn't work then you know as a
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developer a don't even bother trying to
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build like you're here sophisticated
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applications on top of this thing engine
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a user makes you less confident any of
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apples on more complicated singing
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things I mean that that's why that's why
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notes having a problem for me this past
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week is is really concerning for me
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because this it was reliable for the
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last you know here and a half whatever
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it's been since they launched it and
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then all the sudden now it's just not
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and I've tried the basic debugging
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techniques i go to log out log back in
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clear everything restarts like that
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doesn't work that well
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ok now what you know it is not a
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department technique that's just like
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that the only thing you can do exactly
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notes actually no it's actually
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surprisingly sophisticated like it's not
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just text shortcuts like because it does
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do like trying to do like merging of
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changes in simultaneous accent some
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fresh air knows do you share notes like
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do you have like a shared like grocery
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list with you and tiff where you both
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have access to the same note to read
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right you know google docs I'll think we
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I've only ever do that with OneNote and
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it's no longer there
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yeah so I mean we we take it for granted
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like with the fact that we sit here and
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open edit this google doc that has not
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sure what's in it
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have we ever had data destroying bugs or
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things that have caused it to be corrupt
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or Casey write something and I say case
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you do write something I don't see
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anything that has literally never
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happened google docs whatever whatever
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they're doing it just always works is
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the greatest app in the world know is it
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possible to get weird things like when I
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was trying to select some text in case
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it was riding earlier my selection move
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because the texts going under it but you
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stopped selecting you try again but like
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that's one of the reasons i have such
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faith in google and their and their
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cloud service stuff plus or minus
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privacy stuff which you know use your
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own judgment is that the the basics you
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know google docs can multiple people a
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text document the same time doesn't get
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screwed up proof is in the pudding yes
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they totally can wear
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if we had gone with marcos one time
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perhaps sarcastic suggestion to you is
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like a shared pages document i have
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little faith that would have been a
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successful I never said shared pages i
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would never suggested that was someone
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you suggested we try like I work
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commerce something I could have been a
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yeah we did try there there was like
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there were a couple of other web
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services that we tried that people have
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recommended and none of those really
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worked out for us either
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and so we just came back to the google
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docs because it's google docs is
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basically like the the windows of my
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collaboration it's like that that's
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that's a that's too harsh i think as I
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yeah but when it comes to share tax
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documents reliability
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I mean it's not a bad application like
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it's not it's not great the UI could be
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a little bit weird but like it works all
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the time and it more or less has the
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features we need and like none of us
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ever think about it like i don't think
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we spend time worrying about how Google
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Docs working extra now or it's just it's
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just that and that's ideal for a tool
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you're going to use for this purpose
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just like it's not in the front of any
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of our minds ever we sponsor tonight by
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trying to bring it back but I but we all
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have too many new enemies isn't its bug
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complaint / desperately tried to
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crowdsource solutions to your own
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personal problem i thought we could move
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in theory you could be helping other
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people too so this trip should have
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followed but too late i was talking
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about plugging my light my big fat ugly
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lighting connected your pods into my
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iphone 7 and how case when it doesn't
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work and i just grabbed some scenarios
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where it doesn't work I could come up
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with a new scenario where it doesn't
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work where I pick up my phone I don't
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know what are your things maybe I I
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probably already unlocked it and
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overcast the front doorstep or whatever
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i plug in my headphones put the earpods
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in my ear I hit the big honking triangle
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play button overcast and sound starts
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coming out of the speakers on the phone
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yeah and there's a long time between the
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time when i plug in the headphones and
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the time and like when that happens it's
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like it's like getting out an escalator
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is not moving you're like wait what I
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you know because i plug in the
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headphones like seven seconds ago as I'm
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you know and sometimes you plug in the
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headphones then you go to springboard or
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going to go to overcast or like
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eventually you get there you know go to
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the podcast hit the play button the
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earpods have been in your ears for what
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seemed like forever and hit play and
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start playing audio out of the phone
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speaker and just like you just shake
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your head of the phone like what is what
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are you doing well like this is your
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basics like none of your previous
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iphones had this problem i plug the damn
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headphones and hit play on it on audio
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app the sound always came out of the
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headphones like always did like a
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hundred percent of the time I've run
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this experiment many times on every
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single ipod touch and every single
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iphone everything I've got
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shuffle hit play comes out because the
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headphones are plugged in when i was
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gonna come out like this is a and so
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that infuriated me
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yeah something's wrong with that it
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happens it happens to me in my car also
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like like when the car bluetooth
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captures the the output about once a
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week it will just play through the phone
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speaker still even the car things
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connected the the phone thanks to the
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car but it still plays after the phone's
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internal speaker instead bluetooth never
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works like I'm not in a car with you
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which is usually works like that that's
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the high-grade not my bluetooth is not
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when my bluetooth my honda is incredibly
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unreliable have all sorts of situations
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like that I'm used to dealing with the
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headphones like the reason it's so the
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reason it's so disturbing to me is like
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headphones are just you know I'm just in
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my kitchen right this is this is hunt
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previously hundred percent reliable
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technology so I'm really my opinion is
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goin downhill fast
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well it was never in the way iOS handles
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audio routing two different devices has
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never been a hundred percent reliable I
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think it any different releases as they
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like update and change certain
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subsystems to enable new things or
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whatever certain os's are better than
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others and I think I OS 10 is
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particularly bad in this area of like
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selecting the right output device
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reliably but this like almost every iOS
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version that comes out like almost every
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you know Beta Thetas one through five
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almost every high-res version every year
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have some massive problem with audio
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routing i don't know why i like audio
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writing is just always messed with
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I assume all they're all the changes in
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iOS 10 were to accommodate the air prods
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and and all the different because that's
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like bluetooth audio that really messed
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up for a while the beta and i'm pretty
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sure that's why but like whatever they
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do it but they're always having to mess
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with the audio stack in weird ways that
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leave it very unreliable and one of the
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very frequent problems I've always had
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with phones every once in a while you
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will tell your pocket to play and it
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will think there's no speakers connected
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to the phone any form like a little show
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like nothing in the in the in the in the
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source list from the from the airplay
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icon or it'll show like iphone as the
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only entry and he usually have to use
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reboot when Ellie there's nothing you
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can do you reboot at that point but the
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that's been a long-standing iOS bug and
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again like almost every iOS version has
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something like that
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going wrong with it every so often heavy
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but have you ever plugged in plain old
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headphones into a plain old headphone
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jack on iOS device and then played audio
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and not have to come out that phones
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I've literally never had that experience
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to like this week but the light and
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that's a good point that I know you're i
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have not had that happen to me but now
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every device is is a is whatever the
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class of device that like Bluetooth and
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car things get like now headphones like
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that too because of progress and courage
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and now they got their own little
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computers in there
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yeah so so the other thing that I saw
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which is I'm sure related to this but it
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was really weird because I've never seen
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this one you know I iOS occasionally
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freaks out I was for the most part is
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incredibly reliable like I don't reboot
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my iOS device they just run and run and
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run and run that's the way it's supposed
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to be but recently on my iphone 7 again
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plug in the headphones i plug in the
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headphones and then I hit the play
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button i think i might have been sipping
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on the lock screen because you know the
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little the media controls are so extreme
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and the play button to play and it
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doesn't play anything like well climb
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whatever doesn't plan unlimited unlock
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the phone but first let me unplug and
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plug free plug headphones which is you
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know the first thing hit the play button
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nothing happens then like weight is the
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play button even activating let me
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unlock the phone and actually go to
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overcast and it's a play button there
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and i noticed that i can unlock the
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phone like always the stupid fingerprint
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is that the problem i'll forget about
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the fingerprint let me just press the
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home button so i can do the you know
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might enter my password so i can unlock
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my phone which i never do because I just
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try to all the time and I can't get the
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password screen to come up and then I i
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hit the home button and nothing is
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happening and hit the power button and
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the phone doesn't go back to sleep and
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so i'm i'm hitting every physical
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control and semi physical control i'm
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pulling out the headphones and putting
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them back in
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I'm hitting the non-moving home button
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I'm hitting the power button and
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literally nothing is happening
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the screen is just sitting there staring
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at me it is not turning on is not
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turning off is not unlocking is not
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presenting me with unlock screen I i
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tried to do what I think I don't know
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what is this is the case when trying to
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go from memory like oh what's the what's
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the new like you know hard reboot thing
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so i doing like volume up and the power
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button i think that's wrong I didn't you
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volume down anyway I tried various
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combinations the buns probably all which
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were wrong
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none of which did anything i think if i
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had that correctly found the one that
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read that kills it honestly
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you would have just you know turned off
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like the equivalent of yanking the plug
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great but I didn't find it right and I
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I'm doing this for you know I don't know
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a minute two minutes and then eventually
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things start happening and I realize it
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is catching up with everything that I've
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done over the past several men and I've
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seen this happen but having to I want to
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at all of a sudden I see the volume
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changing and going up and down the
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lockscreen coming and just and I was
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fine and then everything freaks out the
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Apple pay screen pops up because you
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kept in the home button
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yep yep yep it eventually got out of
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that all that out of its system like
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okay well it's back online
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Banzai didn't reboot the thing but that
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whole time when it was freaking out
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yeah it would seem to be kicked off by
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me plugging in my headphones but who the
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heck knows anyway that was that's very
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antisocial behavior that also makes me
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concerned about my iphone yeah that
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would that happen to me if like a few
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maybe a couple months ago I tweeted
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about it and I got a lot of responses
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from people saying that happen to them
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too and it so it seems like that's not
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that uncommon but yeah she's like Sierra
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iOS 10 is new so like I just want more
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point releases cut that you
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well I guess but like Ciara still here
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has not had a lot of point releases what
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is it up to adjust the point one still a
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ESN 12-1 yeah although dot to is is I
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believe in pretty late at this point but
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yeah it's all the rumors about the new
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polaris GPU drivers with making people
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think about mac pros in there anyway I i
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I'm ready for point releases because
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every point releasing like well maybe
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they fix this annoying thing so I intend
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to this thing on their beta 7 of 10 to I
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mean obviously they're more cautious
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with the iOS releases so it's taking
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awhile for ten to appear but it was like
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10-1 they don't do the the three-digit
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numbers iOS versions are gonna do but
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it's only for bug fixes and for the last
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section
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yeah anyway hopefully when both of these
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os's both mac OS and iOS get their next
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point releases some are all these things
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will improve our high on that happy note
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tell us about Amazon go so Amazon as
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chief summer and chief amazon has come
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up with a hey look we're building video
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that is only couple minutes long is
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worth watching and basically it's taking
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apples easy steal to the next level
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the general premises you scan a things
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like a QR code that's on your phone as
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you walk through a turnstile on your way
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in then you grab whatever it is you want
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to purchase and then you walk out and
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between my computer vision and
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presumably like you know
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wait detection or something like that
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rfid imagine an RFID you know no rfid
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what did they say was an RFID I'm
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surmising that no okay so what are the
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catchphrases they use computer vision
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keep learning algorithms sensor fusion
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are the three things they say we just
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know you bought an Altoid you always
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biting about ways we just assume you're
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gonna buy one every time at this point
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and most particularly charge you for
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things that you're gonna buy the future
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minority report a bunch of all people in
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bathtubs know what you're gonna die haha
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which is probably not far from the truth
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minus the bathtubs in the people and
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we're gonna that's what the market send
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you that the thing with the baby
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supplies before you know you're pregnant
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yeah i got that big data that really
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happened kids there's I'm not gonna put
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an article in the show notes because
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will take me three days to find it but
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that really did happen anyway we'll take
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three seconds to find out and have maybe
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but the point is you walk in you scan a
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QR code your phone to identify who you
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are you buy some things then you leave
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and there's no check out you just walk
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right out in in principle this sounds
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pretty neat to me
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we should probably you know but have a
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moment to to mention humans need not
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apply which is a great video by friend
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of the show cgpgrey about how when
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things like this autumn like these
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automations happen that means that
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eventually humans will not have jobs
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which is a problem but that horrible
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dystopian future side that sounds pretty
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cool so here's what I think about how
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this works based on this video and the
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store by the way isn't open yet is gonna
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be one location Seattle it's not open
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yet so all we've got is a video on a
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page that has a bunch of information so
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it shows there's no turn stop by the way
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through these you know these little you
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know that they have little dividers that
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you scan your QR code is not as if
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you're going to like a subway turnstile
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or amusement park current source you
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the thing those you're in the store and
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that the video says and then just put
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your phone away is like your skin
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apple store app or whatever
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once you scan your QR code and enter you
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still have to have your phone on you but
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you just put in your pocket is not
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involved in this you're not you're not
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tapping products with your phone you're
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not scanning them with your phone and
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your phone's camera is not seeing them
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like it's in your pocket right but they
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do have I think one part of this is
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proximity like it knows roughly where
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you are in the store probably using
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those ibeacons or similar type of
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technology and knows what your phone has
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to be on so it knows where it knows that
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you're in the store and nose roughly
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where you are and the computer vision
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thing like if you look at the video
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every product that people are getting
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it's kind of like they're inside a giant
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vending machine where things like slide
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down like the candy bar slides down a
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little twisty corkscrew right and the
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next one comes like everything isn't a
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single file lane where you grab the
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product of the front which by the way i
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would never do because you always gotta
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pull from the back middle right anyway
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and I assume they have cameras all over
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plus like your light weight sensors and
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any other things like sensor fusion of
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knowing someone has picked a product off
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of this shelf you know which practice
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because you know which road came in it's
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not like they're haphazardly shelters
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some some employees like shelving there
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there in precise rows and when you
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pulling off then-no you pulling off and
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you know it was you
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based on proximity of where your phone
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is now what if you are
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shoulder-to-shoulder with three other
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people who are also pulling things off I
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suppose if you're all reach over each
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other and all three grab things out of
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the same I'll that you're standing in
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front of it's possible to confuse the
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thing but what we're getting as I think
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it's not our ad i think there is no
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they're not rfid tags on every single
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one of these things are good as plain
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old containers
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there's nothing special about the
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containers everything is about sensing
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where you are with the phone and
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figuring out when people pull things out
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of these very specific restricted little
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columns of food and the food that you're
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getting it's not like you're your
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supermarket where you can go buy you
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know a loaf of bread mayonnaise you know
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some ground beef like just it is more
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like prepared foods and little tins like
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in the prepared foods section of whole
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foods or whatever plus maybe a couple
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staples like milk and and butter and
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stuff like that but it is not a full
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French grocery store with everything you
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expect to see there i think partially
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because it will be hard to get all that
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into this format into this little slider
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down you know whatever like
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that these little rows of food and neat
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little containers that are all uniformly
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sized that's not how real grocery stores
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work and then finally the ideas that you
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know you grab the food and you just take
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it with you and usually if like there is
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no there's no scanning of your items as
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you leave there's no like you don't even
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have to scan your QR code on the way
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back out you just just walk out of the
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store doesn't care what you put the
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items and you have to put them into a
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special bag you don't have to like just
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you just take the crap and you leave and
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I say and you know we'll we'll charge
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your account for the amount that you
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bought you notice amazon they have all
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your information your credit cards or
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whatever and you can if you're
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interested in looking at the receipt you
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can look at it right in the same app
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that you scanned on the way and you
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launch this free app but this Amazon go
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up and it says up you just bought these
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five things right and when I saw that
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and I my wife look at this too and I
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know whatever action would be to some
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degree and when I saw it I thought of
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was like oh no no no checkout lines no
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waiting in line but if everybody who use
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this was like my wife which I don't
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think everybody in the world is but
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there are enough of them what would
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happen instead of people waiting at
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checkout lines is everybody would exit
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the store with their butt their stuff
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and as soon as they got the door they
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would be staring at their phone stopped
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in place staring at the phone to make
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sure that the receipt in the apt exactly
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matches everything that's in there back
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to make sure they weren't overcharged
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for anything right
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you know and so what would actually
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happen is the entrance to the store be
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clogged with a bunch of people who are
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all frantically checking the receipt to
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make sure they didn't get charged for
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five hundred cans of Hellmann's
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mayonnaise when really they just took
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one or whatever and then going back into
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the store and trying to correct it like
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you have to have for this to work it has
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to be like the people in the video it's
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like I just walk in the store I'm fine
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like I don't even need to look at this
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receive maybe later when i'm doing like
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my bills look at the receipt but i trust
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that it's fine but people who are you i
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don't know who are very careful about
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money spending want to know immediately
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have the same reason you check a paper
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receipt like are you are you guys paper
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received checkers like after you go to
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the grocery short do you look down the
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receipt or do you watch that like the
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scanning to make sure that everything is
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being scanned for the right price and
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that you know those to be 245 dollars
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and you know you check the receipt to
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make sure that they didn't charge you
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for something you didn't buy and you got
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the right prices not usually never yeah
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well some people are received checkers
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I'm definitely a scan watcher because
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what else do you have to do during that
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time I watched items being scanned in
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case but if they like you know scan that
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you know the potatoes five potatoes i
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have it comes up as like some ridiculous
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price because they thought it was you
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know you know seven pounds of saffron or
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something
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thank you good night you want to be
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watching for that stuff if you're not
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one of those people you can go la-dee-da
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and just leave but I think there's
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enough received checkers like you just
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watch people living here just least
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glance over the receipt you know make
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sure the total makes sense make sure if
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you saw something you bought because
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they were two for five dollars and that
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was a discount that you actually do get
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them four to five dollars and it's not
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like real grocery stores are clogged
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with people checking their receipts but
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that anxiety that like this magical
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system like can I trust this magical
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system initially that's going to be
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there now if it works really well
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eventually people just let go and say oh
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I don't need to keep checking that it's
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more reliable than humans is more
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reliable than you know then self
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checkouts more reliable than having a
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real cashier which i think will be a
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real challenge because a really good
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supermarket cashier it's way better than
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that's my self checkout sucks when you
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check yourself out you realize an
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experienced cashier who knows exactly
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what code enter for these particular
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kinds of green beans just bit of you
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know like the things that don't have
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codes on them a good human cashier is
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worth way more than we pay them you
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don't realize until you either have to
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check yourself out or you get a bad
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human cashier anyway if the machines can
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never match that will we will be happy
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and we will stop obsessing with it but I
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think we have a long way to go we get
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there and in the meantime the
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possibility of being overcharged is one
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thing and the second possibility is that
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the stupid thing will miss a bunch of
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stuff and you've got a lot of food so
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that's that's possible reason to check
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out the flagship store because i would
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imagine there's going to be at least an
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equal number of situations where it
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doesn't keep track of something you just
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got some free food and if you're not a
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receipt checker you're not going to know
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or care you're gonna eat the thing and
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then later the end of the month when you
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reconcile stuff your black everything
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was pretty cheap
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oh I got to keep missing that uh the
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bunch of bananas that I take from the
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story week it has been charging for this
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is no one there watching so you know
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someone who lives in Seattle should try
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to start out and then the right into the
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show how many bananas are you buying
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where you would even notice that when
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you got them for free or not because
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they don't cost
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what I mean it's one banana Michael what
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could it cost in dollars now you a lot
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of bananas you make a lot of banana
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bread that's a staple around here we get
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a lot of bananas and if like if they if
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they you know if they go over to get to
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ground people don't eat banana bread
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banana muffins it's like you know bonus
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can sound like you're buying too many
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bands on a number of fronts here can
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never have too much banana bread I don't
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think that's possible amen
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a man couldn't agree more Iran i'm
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interested in this I think it looks
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pretty neat i suspect that it won't be
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commonplace for years we discussed this
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briefly on clockwise today which i
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happen to be a guest host on we'll put a
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link in the show notes and I i think
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this is the indication of the future but
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i don't think we're quite into the
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future yet so we'll see but it looks
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very cool if it works and it's reliable
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so this is the type of thing i like to
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see Amazon doing amazon has lots of
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things a lot of which don't seem to be
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part of their core competencies or only
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you know tangentially like it's arguable
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whether everything that would eventually
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become amazon web services and you know
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as three and easy to and stuff it is
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that part of amazon.com please don't
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they sell books on the internet you know
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in the nineties version of them right
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but of course they have to run their own
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servers but then they weren't really
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running their own servers on their web
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services for a long time but then
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eventually want to be so you can argue
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that like it may not seem like this is a
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things over the internet but it is
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because it's how they run their business
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phone and a tablet you can argue about
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that and like well it kind of works in
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with the giving you easy way to buy
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things and so on and so forth but this
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one seems very straightforward to me
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amazon at this point is a place that
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sells you anything that can be sold to
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people like physical goods and people
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think about Amazon physical stores like
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how funny that is all they know they
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drove all the booksellers the
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brick-and-mortar booksellers out of
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business and now now they're all dead
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the Bible the retail space that they
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vacated and then start their own stories
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haha its kind of morbid but a store
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where you sell things
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this is an Amazon way to do that selling
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things is Amazon's core competency right
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if anyone's gonna figure out how to sell
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things better it would be amazon and
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selling things like without her
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going to pay cashiers or anything like
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that like basically a you know at a
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store that is just like a big place that
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you go into and grab stuff and Amazon
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figures how to efficiently extract your
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money that's amazon's car companies to
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that the king of the stupid one click
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patent like amazon wants to make it so
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you buy things when you sneeze like you
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accidentally finds it so easy to buy
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things it is harder not to buy things
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like you can't even look it's like don't
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look at the amazon web page you'll
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accidentally by something with your
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retinol buying that sees your gaze
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lingering on something like that's you
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know anyway it and most people like it
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like the reason we all use Amazon like
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they didn't despite all the things i
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mean i like about their labor practices
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and all sorts of stuff like that the
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draw of their product making a
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convenient to buy things is a real thing
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and so if anyone's gonna bring this to
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us i give Amazon a fair shot because
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this is definitely in their wheelhouse
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and I want to go to a store that's like
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this i want them to work on the store
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over years and years and iterating
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iterator I don't want to give up on like
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the fire phone or whatever I want this
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one to work so that five ten years from
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now there's one near me we can just go
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into and you know how to wait on
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checkout lines anymore i hope they don't
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put all the other supermarkets out of
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business and I doubt they will but I'm
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I'm really rooting for this because i
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think i think this is and it's not like
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implausible future like you know
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hoverboards or whatever not the fake
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once the ruins
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I think that we're close to this kind of
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technology unlike what I've said about
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like true self driving cars which I
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think are farther off than everybody
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else thinks they are but that but real
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people really just don't have the same
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definition me about self-driving cars
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anyway I think this is close enough to
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work the first one's gonna be a disaster
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whatever but like work out the kinks
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give it a few years stick to it and I'm
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excited for this i would i would love it
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if it would ever come to the suburbs
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where I live but i think it's unlikely
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he will definitely come to where you
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live because rich people the core market
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for this totally want about you know
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someone like prepared foods i can you
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imagine how much stuff is going to cost
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you know going to whole foods and try to
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like you know a tiny cup of cup fruits
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like each one of them is made of dollar
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bills that's true
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the most expensive food items per pound
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in the universe unite two thoughts here
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first of all I love more about John
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making fun of Marco for being where the
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rich people live his John I think you
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need i'm in the rich people are too like
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that's where the stores are gonna be I'm
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pretty sure your neighborhood is more
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upscale than mine for the record it's
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not you live next to Batman I live next
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to like the people who were command
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staff hahaha before
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wow that was a pissing match i did not
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expect to be a part of but anyway I'm
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the other thing i will say which is now
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not nearly as funny but one time I was
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it worked like two years ago and I'd
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forgotten to bring a launch or maybe I'd
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I didn't bring lunch because i thought i
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was going out to eat and so I was
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without a lunch I was launched list and
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I thought to myself you know what I'm
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gonna treat myself when we go to Whole
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Foods I'm gonna get me you know one of
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those boxes where I go to the hot bar
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and put a whole bunch of stuff in there
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so when I got you look a little thing of
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ribs don't go for the hard-boiled eggs
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that way too much sound bar tricks
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it's funny you say that because i made
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the critical mistake of getting a mac
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and cheese which is like 18 pounds for
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of mac and cheese for like one bite and
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I went and I want to check out and put
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my box of goodies on the scale and it
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was like literally $18 nothing like that
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happens when i was about to guess eighty
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dollars as a joke price i was gonna be
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as 27 but i rather have a gauge on
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exactly how much food you're piling into
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the everyday there's this thing about
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prepared foods like a they're really
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expensive and you can kind of understand
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how they're really expensive you start
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doing the math on they have to pay for
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the raw ingredients they have to pay for
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that people remember they must have a
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huge amount of waste because all that
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stuff guess it doesn't get sold every
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day and they got to dump it or give it
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away or whatever right so I understand
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why it's expensive but be it doesn't
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taste very good like know if i was
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paying a lot of money if i was going to
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a restaurant and paying eighteen dollars
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for lunch I want something that taste
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you know the taste good enough to be
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worth $18 but that stuff that's sitting
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there under like heat lamps or whatever
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I don't like it is it is it doesn't
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taste good to me so I i will never buy
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that i will i will sooner by just the
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plain ingredients to something and make
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myself a sandwich out of the the loaf of
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bread and the three ingredients i got
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then by one other prepared things I
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maybe I'm just allergic to prepared
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foods and I
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want i want to either be freshly made or
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something that doesn't need to be fresh
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like you know I don't like a thing of
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yogurt or something where it's not like
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they're making it right there but it's
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you know it's it's a seal prepared food
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versus they made something for you at
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some point in the hopefully not too
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distant past and then just sits there
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waiting for you to buy it it seems like
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they don't know that salt exists that
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most of these prepared food bars tell
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you that you should never be going to
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just be going to Delhi you have actual
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Delhi Belly out there and they'll make
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you a sandwich out of the angry and
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those ingredients like they're sitting
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there in the thing like you know my
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beloved exile in your beloved chicken
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salad is the same deal someone
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salad is the same deal someone
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let's repair that and hopefully in the
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not too distant past and there's a lot
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of waste and they get rid of it but if
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it's a difference between the chicken
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salad sitting in a tub or even like
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whatever and chicken salad sandwiches
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sitting there in a case waiting for you
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to show up when you show up they make
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you chicken salad sandwich with the
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chicken salad upsetting the top but they
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make it right there and handed to you
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and that is so much better then if the
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sandwich was sitting there totally I
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mean it's you're talking now you know
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just like our previous discussion about
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like subway is like now you're in the
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category of like airport triangle box
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sandwiches and as those are just always
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sake it never get all right everybody
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whole foods is hopefully a little bit
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better than that but like there's
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nothing you can do about that you can't
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have how long as they had you know
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rotisserie chicken been sitting under
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the heat lamps
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I think that's a pretty that's a pretty
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shelf-stable thing where it's not going
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to get to gross but it's it's gross
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enough not to be worth like the $18 the
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case he's paying for the thing is yeah I
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will say though so I I don't usually
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participate in the in the prepared food
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bar at grocery stores because as you
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said as you pointed out i typically have
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you no more options around i can just go
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to one of those however I my crazy
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indulgence is the pre chopped vegetables
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that come on in the produce section
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the lazy person section yeah it's like
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if I didn't if I cooked meal like I
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don't buy everything pre-chopped but
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things that are really tedious i will
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often go that route just grab me just
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try this is fine is good enough i'll say
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10 minutes
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it's where it's worth the extra do not
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look at the price so you can sleep at
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night because that the sum of my
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look-alike are even I can't do that i
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cannot justify its stomach nine dollars
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for the chopped walnuts just put them
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well nobody's want as long as you're
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terrible and they would never class nine
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dollars because water worthless because
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they're terrible i heard about your
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walnut hate know so they just the worst
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nights ever did they cost nothing
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because nobody likes them and anyway
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feels like brains but like you know
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somebody like pre-chopped you know a
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onion that i'm going to throw any way or
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like a whole bunch of peppers like
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that's gonna save me time and I also
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hate chopping onions because they make
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my eyes crazy so John alright like I
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I'll pay extra like two dollar premium
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for that way did you get pre chopped
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not every time but like you know if I'm
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making something that did that night
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I have a draw the line of that because
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once you break the cell walls and that
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stuff starts reacting make it changes
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the nature of the product you have to do
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it at time of preparation you can have
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those sitting there if it's going to fry
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pan who cares now but you know how long
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they've been sitting like as soon as you
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chop an onion the reaction start you've
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got you know that the everything mixing
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with the air producing that so few
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orgasms that you know with the water in
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your eyes that is because I'm get like
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that reaction starts as soon as you cut
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that onion so i don't i don't want that
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to start three hours before i prepare
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for me also i can pick up the things
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might be the limit of our prepared food
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laziness is and I've never done this but
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it has been done and I have accepted
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that has been done by appreciated
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Parmesan cheese
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I would rather try it myself because
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it's because the pre-shredded ads like
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five dollars a pound or something
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obscene to the price of the already very
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expensive Parmesan cheese
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i buy that your body of course is it
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some kind of like fancy like imported
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age now is it just parmigiano-reggiano
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there's only one thing its it is a it is
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a specific product this is what you
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should buy if you want it
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there's different grades that like
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there's different age lengths and
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there's like whether you get like dop
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official one or some crazy one out only
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the official and everything else that is
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not stamped on the outside as the real
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thing is I don't think I was even sells
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it and nobody should sell it and nobody
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should buy it but just the question is
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whether do you bring home a big chunk of
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his heart reason and great yourself or
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do you buy it pretty great and the pre
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graded ads tremendously to the cost and
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I don't like how they grate it they
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grate it to find that i like it to be a
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little bit thicker little pieces than
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that's as far as I'll go no I by the pre
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created i think it's i think it's
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something like 12 bucks a pound
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no it's way more than that way more than
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an ungraded is 15 to 20 pound ungraded
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gonna go look good
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look everyone say this is really
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happening what is the show turned into I
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don't know the price of many things but
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I know the price of Parmesan cheese it
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is staple in our house the same as as
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milk and butter and eggs parmesan was
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the cheese you had me shred for the
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pizzas and then you utterly shamed me
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for my inability to show you you don't
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you can you not identified cheese that
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or no that was what's around that was
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mozzarella wasn't it yes
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my bad what I want when I tell tell the
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kids is pizza cheese
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yeah i was so scarred by the experience
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view shaming me for my inability to
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shred appropriately right back i'm gonna
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i'm gonna protect nineteen dollars a
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pound that's exactly right it is it is
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the ambrosia brand parmigiano-reggiano
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dop graded imported from Italy 19 bucks
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a pound really fine graded right really
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fine like a million tiny little wispy
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things that's two to find for me I'm
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sorry I like a little bit little bit
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thicker than that but yeah but sometimes
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if you're in a hurry and you realize you
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don't have it and it takes time to do it
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someone will come and arrived and with a
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pre-shredded thing and I always keep it
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separate from our real cheese which is
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in the dedicated tupperware container in
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the fridge
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I don't want to mix it together but
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sometimes you know you gotta do what you
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gotta do with that but that's it pretty
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cut vegetables no-good onions definitely
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know my wife gets a paper cut fruit all
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the time which I can't stand i just try
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desperately not to look at the price no
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matter what I want to peel it off
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without looking at so i just don't see
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like 1299 on this like tub like
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sad-looking watermelon and cantaloupe
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pieces like 1299 really really yeah like
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certain things that works better than I
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was like watermelon I I don't buy
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pre-cut because it is so expensive and
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and whole watermelons cost basically
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nothing right kind of shocking how
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little hole watermelons cost per pound
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like how do these even get transported
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yeah as soon as you cut into cubes it
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becomes like gold it's dipped in printer
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ink the only ones that are more
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expensive than pre-cut fruit plate like
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certain things are actually worth
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getting freakin certain things work but
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it's only like one of the things like it
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like it was like if you if you need
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shredded Brussels sprouts for like a
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salad or something like that they sell
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those in a little box now and it's
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pretty good and you can't tell it they
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taste just as good if you have chopped
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fresh Brussels sprouts and takes way
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less time and here you have shredded
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president is it isn't expensive like
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certain things it's worth it but
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obviously not everything not watermelon
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this is sort of kind of Windows RT but
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microsoft is enabling Windows 10 to
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support arm chips directly by building
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an emulator into the operating system
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applications but they will not support
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the past show and the rumor was that it
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was going to be armed 64 could emulate
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x86 64 stuff and that was going to be in
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the future I don't know if this is a
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separate story where they're doing 32
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now and 64 later but the power cities
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that they get from having like laptops
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with arm processors in them not going to
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be helped by emulating access ok it's so
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interesting though it's certainly
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interesting because I mean we've been
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talking on and off about the you know
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max on our man in fact I should plug
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I had a wonderful episode this week
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where Jason smell made some really
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fascinating points on our macs and kind
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of that what the position of the mac is
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but I I really agree with a lot of it
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and and you should take a listen to that
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show but agreed that was excellent
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yeah but this is somewhat interesting
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news because Windows RT from everything
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is understood was kind of crappy because
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nothing was cross compiled for it so
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yeah was in and of itself was fine and
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maybe the battery life is good and I
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think maybe those with the surfaces
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certify that didn't have fans its memory
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but anyways but nobody could run the
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apps on it was nobody cross compiled
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forearms so this could solve that
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problem but i also agree with you John
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that it's not necessarily going to help
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think of things in terms of battery life
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if you're emulating in do x86 I think
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they want people to compile their apps
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for Windows forearm like that's what
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they want to happen that's what you're
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going to get that windows RT and it
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didn't and so it's like all right try
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number two what if we have a Malaysian
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then more people will buy them because
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they won't feel like you know that they
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are trying to solve the chicken egg
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situation people invited there's no
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absolute people make apps with no one
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buys them like i will put the emulation
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in and hopefully that will trick people
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into bottom number is a trick like
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hopefully that will motivate people to
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buy all you know you can totally run
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your existing copy of office
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it'll be fine really and then once we
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get everyone to buy them then app
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developers will say your app can run
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better on their cool are empowered
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ultrabook thing because yours will be
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compiled natively forearm and i will
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give you selling advantage
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I don't know people still buy software
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one knows that better than adobe
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software and autocad and anyway should
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make fun of that because they probably
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have a more robust professional
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application ecosystem apples at this
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point probably oh but yeah so it this
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this is a mean it's a pretty smart
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attempt to try to to solve this problem
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now why a Microsoft so seemingly
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desperate to get windows off of x86 I
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don't know maybe like this is the slow
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divorce of wintel right where Microsoft
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wants to be everywhere and all platforms
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and intel cpus are expensive compared to
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arm one
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use of supposedly equivalent ballpark
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power and Microsoft's not making RPC arm
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CPUs at this point but maybe partnering
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with Qualcomm is a different power
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balance than partnering with intel and I
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don't know but this is definitely seems
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like a very slow change happening over
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in a mostly unwatched corner of the
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market because you know everyone's
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and stuff and not many people are
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looking at laptops and PCs these days
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except to be depressed about them but I
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wish them luck because anything that
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sort of changes the existing fairly
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boring status quo as good or even if it
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just motivates Intel to do a better job
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that helps everybody I i think this is
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worth thinking about it like that we
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we've been to we talked for you know
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forever about what about our macs and
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the the idea here is that well you know
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Intel is not doing what Apple wants it
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to do fast enough for me achieving
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enough efficiency or whatever and and it
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may be armed ships that Apple could make
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itself would be better and everything
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now Microsoft seemingly possibly making
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the same hedged bet here of like you
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Intel's not really working that well for
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us either which actually just means you
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know Intel's just not working that well
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period while they're working but they
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charge a lot of money like the Intel is
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still able to charge pretty big margins
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compared to what that you know the the
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arm vendors to charge for their things
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surprisingly large portion or the you
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surprisingly large portion of the price
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of a laptop and that was more it was
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parts inside the laptop at this point
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for intel cpus some supporting chips a
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big battery a screen and half of the
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keyboard that's all that's all and these
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things but they used to be all sorts of
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thrown into the next but i think it's
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would be the envy of any armed vendor
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Apple isn't doing the design essentially
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design they pay someone to fabric for
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them that relationship is much more
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straightforward and what Apple's used to
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like working with a supplier to build a
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thing i'll tell you what to build you
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know you don't you know you don't have
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to design thing you're going to build
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this and here it is and give them you
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know that the their chip design and they
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just fabric for them and I was marked
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with that it's not a matter of just like
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taking design printing it like there is
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more to it but that is that is a
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relationship where you don't have to pay
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for the margin that Intel is charging
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you for like we designed this whole trip
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we're not just a dumb fab or selling you
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this value and chips on put in the chat
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room that into a 60-percent gross
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margins which are which is pretty darn
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good for someone whose physical things
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instead of selling software so it
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I don't think Intel is not doing its job
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and I think they are trying to serve
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apples needs but they're still charging
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more and there's and you know for apples
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respective then Apple can control their
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schedules to the degree they control
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their own schedules for their a-series
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chips so that that's you know there is a
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definite reason to go in that direction
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long term anyway I just thought that was
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interesting we'll see how coast so so
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here's a question
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one of the concerns I have with Apple
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sorry to turn this back into apple
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complaints just for a minute I promise
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one of the country have apple is that
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obviously adding everybody even people
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who think they're doing fine can
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generally agree that they're also
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stretched very thin and a lot of their
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products are are having to take a
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backseat to something and whether it's
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the car or the idea that the iphone is
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progressing really fast even though it
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seems not to be or whatever else is like
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everything seems to be taking the
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backseat to something so my question is
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when the next big shifts happen in
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important markets to apple so things
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like computers phones tablets when when
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big shifts happen like for instance if
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everyone moves to arms processors for
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for their pc computers like you not just
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tablets and phones would like for full
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sized computers and laptops in apples
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current state where it's kinda like
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their immune system is strange like that
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they're like the heat and integrated
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algebra like they can barely hold
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together what they have now keeping
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things on their current path because
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they're doing so much and obviously
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there's a lot of resources being devoted
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to like some other future projects but
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like stuff like the mac it and see what
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it was like barely holding on and
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there's the awfully concerning rumor
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today that the next iPhone might just
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add a red color and still have the exact
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same what general case of design is Alex
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know what they're saying that it was
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also gonna be out at the same time as a
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the new all glass thing or was that
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trying to say like next year just a new
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color in a year after that the other
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last one I believe it was the latter but
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it was anyway which would be concerning
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but anyway it we we have one thing that
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so who knows but anyway so given the
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given the way it appears as though Apple
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is having a hard time keeping up with
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other product lines already as it is
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when the next big shift happens do you
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think they will be able to to to go with
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it to write it to adapt it or are they
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going to fall behind because they won't
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be prepared because they won't be
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development of resources to those areas
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like Microsoft right now doesn't have a
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successful phone business to worry about
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or to manage or or 22 to take forward so
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like Microsoft supporting everything
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they can to what they do have which is
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pcs right they do well they're they're
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pouring everything they have that that's
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what we're reading like interesting new
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developments like the surface to do like
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those which they will take off if any
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but like they are there they are ready
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to adopt whatever comes out now but
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Apple isn't like Apple is seemingly like
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keeping the mac kind of coasting for the
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most part of not doing a whole lot of
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new stuff with it and not really keeping
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up-to-date not really keeping
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competitive kinda just like sitting back
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and letting off the gas and and this
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isn't just the mac i would say this this
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definitely applies to the mac it sort of
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applies to the ipad although there's not
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a lot of your competitors anymore really
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it unless you count laptops which I'd
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not sure I would anymore and on the
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iphone it's it's kind of
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it seems like they might be letting off
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the castle but honestly was obviously
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you see what happens next year but it
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certainly looks so far that like things
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are progressing more slowly than before
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will Apple be ready for the next big
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shift and will they actually do them and
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where they lead them anymore the way the
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way they have been for that for like the
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last decade or so or are they too busy
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like building cars and stuff i don't
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know about any of that I think I I think
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basing your thoughts on the premise of
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their stepping off of the gas i i i
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understand how you come to that
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conclusion
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I'm wouldn't be so fast come to that
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conclusion I would in fact I would
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almost go so far as to say that a lot of
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silence from apple may even be
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indicating that they're standing on the
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gas harder than they ever have before
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truth be told that's hard for me to make
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that argument with a straight face given
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what's been going on with say the mac
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pro but 11 point does not align make and
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obviously none of us know one way the
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other very well could be that you're
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right Marco but if i were to take a read
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the tea leaves i would say that that it
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is quite possible that big things are
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afoot and we're just not hearing about
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it because guess what Apple never tells
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us about these things until it's all
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so about the specific shift you're
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talking about like whatever US Armed
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that for that specific change I think
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Apple would be fine because if that
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happened
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Apple would see it as an efficiency and
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you know it would it would be the last
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little bit Apple needs to get to kick it
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over the line to say okay I guess we'll
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try to do is we always talk about all
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the things that are keeping the
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president like is the mac even worth
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this big expensive transition and this
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disruption to users and the dev tools
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and like like is it even worth it to do
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that for the little old Mac probably
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like that's probably one of the biggest
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thing stopping our max this point is
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that the mac itself is not worth that
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kind of investment but everyone else
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which is over anyway suddenly is the
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mackie worth like well everyone else is
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going that way anyway and so we might as
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well just get on that train and we're
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already designing new a series cpus
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every year already really good at and
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we're going to make that cpu anyway and
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the cpu for the next iPhones gonna be
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plenty powerful for all but the most
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powerful laptop
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if you just add more course to be like
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it's an efficiency that they're ready to
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grab and control that they want anyway
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any little bit that kicks them over into
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doing that I think they would see as
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okay well that now the decisions been
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taken out of our hands and they would
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leap at it because they do get
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efficiencies that are now we don't have
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to deal with two things we just have one
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architecture we control our own
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destinies all the advantages of the arm
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stuff come in so that specific change I
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think that would be fine for all the
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other changes you said you know the
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stretch then well as we just got the
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pastor shows that stretch less than they
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used to be
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they're not making Wi-Fi routers anymore
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not making screens anymore they're not
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making the mac pro in the mac mini
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anymore apparently
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so they are condensing and all these you
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know all the Dark Matter the case he was
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talking about we have no idea what the
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hell they're doing
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except for the self-driving car stuff
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you know they're augmented-reality thing
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is that related to the car thing where
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the display and stuff on the dashboard
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or whatever like the way to be ready for
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it in appleton typical apple way to be
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ready these changes to be the one that
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brings them on so presumably app has
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also specific experiments going on with
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AR and VR and machine learning and
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self-driving car stuff then you know
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like those all those efforts are exactly
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what they should be doing to be ready
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for the exchange into perhaps be the one
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that initiates change but that doesn't
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help us out here because we don't know
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about that stuff except for like you
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know the car project their business to
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pick tied at this point and that is you
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know the rumors about just being about
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self-driving technology i think the most
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concerning about thing about all this
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project is that I've said this a million
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times i'll say it again they
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increasingly rely on integration with
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cloud computing and apple stills crappy
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at it and they're getting better really
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probably not even keeping pace with
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everybody else so they're very few
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precious few things that you can do that
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don't involve some kind of cloud thing
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and apples just not shown to be good but
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so the next big thing is cloud machine
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learning in the cloud
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it's hard to envision Apple even keeping
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up with the Joneses let alone being a
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pioneer in that field because you know
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there may be no again maybe they'll
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surprise for the brand new version of
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Siri that's way better but I think
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they're mostly getting their butt kicked
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in this area self-driving cars and type
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thing especially considering you know I
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mean always done is carplay and hasn't
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you know it's fine whatever but the gap
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between that and also drive the car for
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me and do a cool AR display on it was
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hard on my windshield such a huge gap
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but whatever you know like whatever the
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next big thing is Apple should be out
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there trying to find it and the act of
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trying to find it appears invisible for
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a company like Apple we have no idea
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what is the stretched thin feeling comes
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from you know you know do that R&D do
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that experimental thing investigate
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things killer project if it doesn't it's
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working out do all that stuff but you
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also have to have one eye on the rest of
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your business and we must complain about
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the maxi like the mac i think they are
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definitely not stepping off the gas on
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the iphone in all areas except for
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perhaps industrial design and I could be
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just because they keep grabbing for that
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whatever the next all glass phone is but
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if you look at how the internal so the
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iphone have improved in after generation
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we would kill for that kind of
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improvement in the mac every a serious
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tip is so much better than the past one
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the cameras get better
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the battery life gets better plus or
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minus apples needs to 10 stuff down like
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they are you know the iphone is so
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clearly their main product and they
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improve in ways that we can only dream
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of in the macworld so I think that's
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doing fine i think a lot of it is
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superficial like all you're gonna make
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the same shape again it's boring it's a
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problem that's a marketing problem
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that's a PR problem that's a problem for
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being able to sell these things to
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people but if you view it as like how
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much money did they invest in making the
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iphone better just because they don't
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have a new case because there they keep
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trying to go for that cool wireless
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charging all-glass whatever magic phone
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like I can't get a year after year i
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give him a pass on that because what's
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inside the phones just getting better so
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much faster so you know i i'm i'm not
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concerned about the iphone business not
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even concerned about the ipad business
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except for the fact that they don't seem
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to be willing to feel any competitors to
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something like the service book whether
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that's an iOS device or not but it just
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gets back to us
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whining about our max but world
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that's true did you guys I didn't have a
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chance to read this but I saw some
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headlines and the chat rooms brought
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this up as well
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courts had a piece entitled inside the
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secret meeting where Apple revealed the
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state of it's AI research and I guess
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there was a invite-only lunch at an
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industry AI conference where Apple
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showed a bunch of slides a couple of
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which are a handful of which courts got
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their hands on and so one of them says
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machine learning research summary and
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there's several different segments that
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their apparent that Apple's apparently
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looking at health and vital signs of
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volumetric detection of lidar which to
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me means self-driving car production
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with structured outputs there's a
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picture of cars driving image processing
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and colorization intelligent assistant
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in machine language modeling and
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activity recognition and then later on I
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didn't get a chance to read into this
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much but there are a couple of graphs
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we're at a glance it seems to hint that
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Apple's GPUs are being used for machine
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learning and are considerably quicker
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than equivalent amazon AWS offerings now
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again I've only glanced at this I might
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be butchering the details but it
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certainly seems that at least in an
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academic sense maybe apples
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machine-learning chops aren't so bad
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after all now to be fair that has to get
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applied and executed upon and certainly
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you know here we are are giggling but
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also crying about a keyboard you know
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tex replacement and so you do need to to
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apply all this machine learning at some
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juncture but the the academic urd stuff
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seems like they might be keeping up
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maybe even making improvements start
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complaining about all their this type of
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academic research stuff at apple is that
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academics want to publish because this
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vital for their continued career as a
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academic and apple doesn't want you
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publish and so the fact that they're
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presenting this is it may be a change in
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you know a slight lessening of apples
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incredible drive for secrecy that you
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can't get the best academics to come
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work for you if you won't let them do
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stuff like this because it's vital for
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their career to be able to do this you
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can't just take them and hide them away
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like they do with industrial designers
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who Johnny I've only lets out once a
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year and
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the time spent in room they sleep under
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black sheets right and then the morning
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they just come out anyway it's difficult
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to get people to work for you do that
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google has a much more open environment
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google is probably the leader in this
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because they have so many freaking phd's
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and they put the stuff to use in the
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magic that is every google thing that
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you just type something into it figures
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out what the hell you mean google search
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being the best example I I still it is
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still not worn off to me that i can type
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in queries and Google finds results and
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like it is live long since gotten past
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the point where I where I can even
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understand how could we will figure out
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what i was talking about and gave me the
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thing i wanted but it's like the magic
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of big data is the magic of you know
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that they're doing it for real
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an apple all we have from them to
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demonstrate their chops to Siri which
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has its ups and downs but charitable
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yeah like it's not it no one no one
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except someone who works for apple to go
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to put it as the leader in this they're
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all kind of silly all the devices to
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kind of silly but serious such a lead
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and everyone caught up really quickly
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and google just seems to be on top of
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this stuff so i hope i hope it's true
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that Apple is doing because I i think it
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is table stakes in the future to have
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competency in this area so Apple has to
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just be doing this just to keep up
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I don't know this means that there's
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something going to be the leader in or
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whatever but it seems like they're
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learning what it takes to attract those
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people to come work for apple and put
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them on projects and hopefully like
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cases when it comes out of it like you
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have to make a product eventually doing
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this research is important and if you
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don't do this research you'll never be
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able to make a product because we're in
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that phase now with machine learning
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where it's not commoditized at this
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point you have to have your stuff
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in-house to do it it just I'm not
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entirely sure that the best application
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of all this technology is self-driving
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car tech which seems to be the path
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they're going which is a hard problem
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and someone's going to be first and
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maybe we'll be apple and maybe they'll
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be known as the company that put
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self-driving software and all of our
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cars but for now we just have rumors and
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a lot of money spent and you know no
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announce anything from apple and all the
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stuff that we can do anytime or user
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something we use for an entirely
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different purpose like you know go
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goggles or some other weird they are
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thinking us so from this article
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machine-learning scientists have long
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criticized Apple 42 lectins to
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contribute back to the research
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community during the presentation which
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served to bring a small select group of
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researchers up to speed with apples
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efforts some individuals Salik could
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celica Hinda of didn't didn't off i'm
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sorry i didn't practice that before the
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show because I know it's gonna be
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talking about this a prominent AI
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researcher himself at Carnegie Mellon
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said that apple would begin to publish
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its research and make a greater effort
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to work with the research community
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according to attendees just like you
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said John additionally Oliver cameron
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who is self-describing as a the lead of
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the self-driving car team at Udacity had
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a series of 5 tweets which will put the
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show notes which begins with him saying
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hey this article this quarter this
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Court's article it deserves more
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attention he says apples clearly 1000%
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working on autonomous vehicles powered
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by machine learning c volume and
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volumetric detection of lidar and in
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that slide
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they may be building custom gpus for
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machine learning perhaps only internally
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they also have a custom image data set
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twice the size of image net which i'm
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not entirely clear what that is but I'm
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assuming it's the public set of images
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for training neural networks recognize
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30 thanks we benchmarked they bench
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marked MX net which is Amazon's
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framework of choice on their GPUs and
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custom image data set in not tensorflow
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so tldr this is against Oliver tldr the
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new apple is catching up fast machine
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learning and this is from someone who
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theoretically doesn't have any vested
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interest in saying such things as phrase
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that's catching up fast not faulting to
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the lead or leaving the culture behind
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but it's it is it is the minimum bar
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that you have to meet because it's so
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clear that this type of technology is
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coming to the point where it can do
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useful things and if you don't have this
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capability in house if you just wait
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around until it becomes like until until
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amazon is essentially vending the
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seventh version of this as part of their
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web services offering or like it until
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it becomes commoditized it's a big
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advantage be able to do it in-house and
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in some respects like this is part of
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the things that make google into google
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is they they had a good idea for search
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algorithm
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and they eventually were faced with the
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problem of scale how to build our data
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centers and you know how to do all this
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stuff and they did a lot of stuff
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in-house that for a long time gave
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google the abilities that other
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companies didn't have to scale out to
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worldwide data centers to get good
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performance to everybody to do these
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really complicated things right and they
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had to build a lot of that house and had
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to figure all this out and eventually
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started to become commoditized to the
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point where Google itself is venting
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some of his cloud services and of course
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amazon has its web services and so many
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things are built on that and so now it
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is no longer really a competitive
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advantage or at least not as big as it
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used to be to be really good at setting
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research but when does that translate
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like I was not making its own car and if
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apples technology then all apples work
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companies don't want it you know Tesla
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convince somebody that they should buy
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sitting on their hands waiting for a
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technology company to offer them
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self-driving tech like they're not
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waiting on Apple they're all doing their
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own things so not that concerns me a
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little bit so so which Mac do you think
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the all this like AI and GPU development
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exurbs or whatever but as they're
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that's the case because you're not
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you're going to a computer it's like you
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know the giant maze those clusters or
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whatever so it doesn't really matter
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they could be using a I you know a
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power of the things are sitting in front
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well they are typing the yeah they are
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typing but maybe they have people to do
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that doesn't have a graduate students
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episode 2 because you told me not to be
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all the continuity
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that it was a game or a movie
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eat you took my want to try it like this
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decided to just not work anymore
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like that's great tell us why you are
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playing from your iPad before when you
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because the Apple anything for ya like
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that man the apple TV is such a mess
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I don't want to complete any more apples
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up today so I'm just if you don't have
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anything nice to say don't say it at all
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so I'm not going to be talking about the
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apple TV is after show
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die don't do terribly complex things
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screensaver works great
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that's it does I'm serious I'm serious
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because it doesn't on my Mac that's a
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nice screensaver I've got that hey we
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can we can get that out of the show
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notes been the shots for about two years
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now i deleted deleted yeah I had in the
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top of our document for maybe two years
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maybe more a link to be able to download
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OS version area allows the apple TV
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screen saver
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yeah which is really cool looking at
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mean it's not you realize when you see
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on a 5k screen at all the all the movies
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and images are not enough resolution
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like they look great on your TV within a
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look great on your 5k imac but it's a
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cool screen saver and if you want to
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have the screensaver on your mac and why
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wouldn't you
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it is available someone like ported
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ripped it out of the apple TV and ported
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to get help because it's really just a
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matter of getting the correct urls to
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pull the movies down and then having
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them you know just you know play on the
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screen so if we can resurrect that
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what I was talking about on the appletv
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point it at a photo a what am I trying
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library photos you can see right your
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kids and stuff exactly that works great
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now that being said this aerial
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screensaver that's what I use on my work
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computer and it's fantastic i can't
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recommend it enough real-time follow-up
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the chat rooms and for me that I have
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HBO now on HBO GO
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correcting an autocrat of your head that
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doesn't work anymore on the appletv and
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so I'm not really sure why i'm paying
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for installing and uninstalling and
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rebooting I haven't tried reinstalling
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yeah Wow know god yes I just I just want
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things to work I did and why is it so
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much to ask
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it's great that we have all this new
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stuff I just wish it worked better
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well you just use the new single sign-on
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feature in your funny i support so many
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providers I honestly like I i wish like
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have tried the other things before I've
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tried the Amazon whatever i've tried the
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the little roku whatever I haven't tried
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the google thing yet because I'd like
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remote controls and don't use android so
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it kind of doesn't offer a whole lot for
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me but the other things are worse and
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that's why i keep using apple TV because
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the appletv really is better than what's
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out there for many things that I that I
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want but I just wish it was better than
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it is like it's like why when i pick up
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the remote when we haven't used it
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in a few hours why does it not respond
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immediately
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why does the remote take like 10 to 15
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seconds before like swiping back and
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forth on the trackpad actually works
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like what it maybe it's a sleep for to
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save power 1 by using it like how long
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does it take to wake up
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why when it boots up just seemed doesn't
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seem like it's been asleep the entire
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time and has literally updated nothing
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about anything ever
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it's plugged into the wall it can update
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whenever it wants but it doesn't why
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when it wakes up is it always tell me
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there's no internet connection even
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though they're always it's hardwired it
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always has an internet connection
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it's like I just I I don't understand
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why this product is the way it is and is
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this the way it's frustrating because
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it's just like just like many of apple
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products it's frustrating that it has
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these flaws because it is still the best
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in the market for me I still like it
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better than the alternatives so I'm
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going to keep using it i just wish it
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was better and it seems like really
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basic stuff the design of the remote
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aside I've already you know war Matt's
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death but like why doesn't just work
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why do I occasionally have to reboot it
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it makes no sense to have these kind of
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shortcomings in this kind of product in
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this year I remember one marker wasn't
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getting a plan about apple tv2 remember
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that case and that's nice i do remember
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that i do remember that family that was
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a wonderful moment seems so long ago and
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I've known for changing my mind
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feelings about is taking a one good
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thing you're measuring the apple TV
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remote one good thing about the up to
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your remote that battery life is amazing
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like this is not a big remote that's
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i'm trying to think i think i've plugged
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it in to charge it once ever after
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that's it for this Apple TV like one
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time ever in my entire life so that I
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have the big apple TV like the one
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that's too tall so whenever that cannot
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i bought it exactly when it came out and
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i plugged in once so that's good
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everything else you said you know it's
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totally true although my apps all work
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on the appletv for the most part i still
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have the same problems like waking it up
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and why does it take so long wise not
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all the time and like you know that all
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those things happen but and also i'm
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constantly cleaning the gross stuff from
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my kids fingers off of that track mad
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because my kids are gross but yeah when
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it plays video successfully I consider
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it a victory and I just know walk away
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but you do you have is it just me do you
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guys have these problems with yours mine
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like I have like you know sometimes able
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to get like a can't play your itunes
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video because of something like whatever
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weird iTunes server error and I get the
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sluggishness and it's not reacting to my
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things and stuff like that but for the
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most part it plays video eventually and
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plays it through successfully without
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dying in the middle i just want like
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when when it's being non-responsive or
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when it's being seemingly very heavily
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loaded with background tasks like what
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is it doing because like it doesn't
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support background operation of apps it
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has a few things where like it like you
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can like refresh certain feeds for
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things that appear like in the carousel
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top and everything but it's really very
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few of those things and it's fairly
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decent iOS hardware inside they're
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running you know and I stripped down
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version of iOS software that doesn't
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have a whole lot to do and is plugged
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into the wall and has a constant
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internet connection so we can do things
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whenever it wants to in the background
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I just don't understand like what it do
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it widely is so much file i/o because
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that anything i can blame the HFS plus i
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will write with like it's gotta be it's
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gotta be bio because it's not doesn't
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have fast storage like the storage unit
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it's it's flash storage but it's not
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fast flash storage and if it you know
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and because agents still single threaded
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and only one process can be accessed
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that you know writing the vials in the
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time that's a potential bottleneck and
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if you see anything having to do with
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iOS devices like if you get update all
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on a bunch of apps that if you're still
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an old person you manually update your
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apps like I do you know that will
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cripple your phone you know like you can
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let it update stuff but as it's doing
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anything having to do with like pulling
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down things and messing with your
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filesystem everything is gonna be super
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slow during that time so that's my
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guests for what it's doing like what is
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doing the background is doing something
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having to do with lots of file i/o and
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that just blocks everything down i guess
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maybe FS will fix all this for you yeah
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it's just I just wish it was better get
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like why why is it not better just get
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the center working on Marco no I I
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occasionally have a little bit of
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unresponsiveness from the remote when I
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first grabbed it but I've taken to and
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cut to me i don't find this is
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unreasonable but I presume that Marco
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you're going to find this completely
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egregious I just mash down on the
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including the trackpad or the home
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button either 1i tend to click the track
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because it's a bigger target yeah the
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home button or the trackpad smashdown
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that like five or six times and then as
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the TV the apple TV is starting up and
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and I usually as my TV is also starting
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up which although i have a fine TV like
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it's a reasonable TV but it takes and it
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Ernie to turn on so anyway as i'm
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waiting for all these things turn on
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usually the remote is woken up there's
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been a couple of occasions where it
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hasn't or maybe the remote has gone into
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sleep mode before the apple TV has but
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if I mass on a button for second it
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starts working like I don't really have
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any problems and the only apps I
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typically use on my appletv are plex
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which is probably ninety percent of the
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time it's an airplay receiver for
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spotify and not unreasonable amount of
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time and netflix and for those uses
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which admittedly i'm not trying to say
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these are terribly complex uses but for
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those uses works pretty darn reliably
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for me i did get the big one because was
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a gift from aaron and she wasn't sure if
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I would want the bigger one of the
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smaller one I doubt that makes a
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difference but for what it's worth I do
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have the the
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the higher capacity one but yeah I mean
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it definitely has problems from time to
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time but generally yeah I found it works
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great and I do the same thing with when
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I know I'm going to watch them out to be
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the first thing I do is I hippie the
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home button on the appletv not because I
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expected to do anything like the little
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one that looks like the TV button but
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because it will turn the apple TV on so
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it i do that first then i turn my TV on
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then every time I receiver on don't tell
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me about universal remotes i'm picturing
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the case here and all about bringing
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back that Victor and everything is
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essentially ready at the same time but I
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have developed that have it because if I
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do it the other way and get everything
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all turned on and then switch to the
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apple TV input and then grab the apple
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TV remote the apple TV is asleep and my
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apple TV is plugged into the wall like
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everyone else's is connected to gigabit
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ethernet I would love for it to be doing
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more my playstation 4 both of them will
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download entire multi gigabyte games
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when their corner off like the fan is
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not spinning right it's still plugged in
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it's still in its sleep mode but once
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since the moment you will download game
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updates for me it will charge my
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controller it is doing so much more work
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for me that stupid Park and apparently
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does nothing until I turn it on i should
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also note that when I grabbed my apple
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TV remote in or in the TV is off my hdmi
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c and cec almost at C&C is in like the
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Music Factory
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yeah exactly the Music Factory the point
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being I mashed down the button and then
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the TV turns itself on now i will i will
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say that the TV does not always switch
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to the right input but with 99%
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reliability the TV does indeed turn
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itself on when the apple TV comes on
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which is nice
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I don't know maybe I'm just a special
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snowflake know that this is what's
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frustrating like this stuff works like
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ninety percent of the time it's like
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it's really frustrating but it's not a
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hundred percent and I know it's really
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hard it's really complicated but like
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certain things that don't work just
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seemed like they really should like the
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responsiveness of the software in the
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remote like that's a lot of the trackbed
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itself i was feeling it would be more
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responsive but part of it is the
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awkwardness of swiping that little thing
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it just doesn't feel like that's why i
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often use it as a d-pad I don't do the
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swiping i will hit that will click the
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edges which is in itself is a strange
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motion but i find it i find it more
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reliable that I know
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I've done the motion then especially
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like up and down flicking with like your
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thumb it i don't know i'm i'm not a
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trackpad person at all and I feel like I
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feel like a disconnection between them
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between those motions in the thing that
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you even just like whoever came up with
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the idea that selection state is going
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to be represented by by making some of
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the rectangles bigger I don't think it's
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a particularly successful idea because
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very often I have to double-check you
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know by looking at the screen to make
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sure the rectangle i think is selected
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selected like a big hunk and blue
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outline would certainly be out of here
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in less elegant but it would let me know
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better than anything you know it's
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obvious in a screenshot like you can't
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tell what selected look at this
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rectangle it spoken out in front of
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everything else is overlapping and
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clearly it's the one that selected but
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it's it's not obvious enough I think to
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you know like that the elegance benefit
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of it and the aesthetic benefit is
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outweighed by the the usability i wish i
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wish there was more of like a glow or a
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prominence about it and then when i'm
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trying to use the swiping to move around
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and get to the netflix app or whatever
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overshooting and having to go back one
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is definitely a thing and that's
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frustrating and I don't like hitting the
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d-pad going left left left down down
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that's frustrating to because i see it i
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could just I can get it with the mouse
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instantly and it was a touchscreen I get
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touched immediately having to go left
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left left down down is a pain but at
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least i can count the number of less
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than the number of downs and I know I
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land on it having to go swipe is the
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bottom of the barrel where I have to go
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swipe swipe swipe down down but i don't
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know how many times I have swype because
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momentum may bring me over and then I
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have to correct and it's just not a
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pleasant experience some and when I
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talking to the remote like I've almost
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given up on that because see really
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frustrates me and they're like when are
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you ready for me to talk Cirie and they
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keep changing like oh it's always
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listening to start talking about often i
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start talking then it goes boom in the
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middle of me talking and I know it's not
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it didn't catch after what i said and
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when I tried talking to the remote i
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hold down the microphone button and I
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never always wonder when it's safe for
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me to talk to have to wait for the
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little rainbow colored things show up
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can I start talking now and very often
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it takes two or three tries and it's
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often still better than the alternative
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Connecticut into a nap but yeah I'm
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ready for the next version i'll keep
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buying example to use the same reason
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you do about that
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the other reason I have the market
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perhaps dozens I'm essentially out of
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inputs at this point right so if I
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want to try something else have to fix
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something and I've locked myself into
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the apple ecosystem below the itunes
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like movies and stuff that I bought so i
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have to have an apple TV so I'm gonna
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keep buying them and I'm ready to buy a
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new one anytime I want to make it better
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