410: For Years We Forgot to Put the Percentage There
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From Elay FM, this is Connected, episode 410.
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The show is brought to you by our fine sponsors, Sourcegraph, CleanMyMac, X and Bombas.
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My name is Myke Hurley, and I would usually be introducing Federico
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Vittucci to the podcast at this moment, but Federico is away today
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for it is his birthday.
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So I will now hop over Federico, or do the old Italian hop, as they call it, and introduce
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Steven Hackett to the podcast.
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How are you?
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It's not my birthday.
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You've got a long time, but it will be eventually.
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I think we should send Federico a present.
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What I would like the connected listeners to do is to open Twitter, send Federico a
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tweet with your fourth most used emoji.
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I'm gonna do this now, so I've got my phone.
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Going to OpenTweetBot.
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I'm going to--
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- Fourth in what direction?
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- Okay, so let me, Viticci, so I'm on the emoji keyboard.
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So under the frequently used, I think it is down.
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So one, two, three, four down.
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- Oh no, I'm sending him a sad emoji.
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- Mine is the melting face one.
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- He's gonna think something bad's happened.
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I've sent Federico the melting face emoji.
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- So I sent him like the disappointed one.
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You know, I think that's what it's called.
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- Yeah, I think so.
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- Oh, poor Federico.
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- So we'll see what people send him.
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I'm excited about that.
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We have some follow up.
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We've heard from a lot of folks with the will, will, may,
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may type autocorrects,
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basically any word that's also a name.
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iOS wants to capitalize this.
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And a bunch of feedback was like,
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I had not noticed this before.
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Thank you for ruining my phone.
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Sorry about that.
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- It's not our fault, it's differential privacy.
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- It's still happening to me.
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- Oh yeah, mine is a real mess.
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- It's very upsetting.
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Maybe one day it will stop,
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but I'm not expecting that it will.
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- We also heard from quite a few people
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following up on Apple weather.
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Federico had commented that it doesn't seem super accurate
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where he is in Rome, and a bunch of people outside the US
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have basically said the same thing,
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that Apple weather is incorrect a good bit of the time,
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especially when compared with a weather service
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that is more local to them.
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We heard from several people in Australia
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where this is true,
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where their weather services that are,
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I guess, more finely tuned to what they experience
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compared to Apple weather,
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which is trying to do it around the world.
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And hopefully this is just growing pains.
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I mean, a lot of this data is available that Apple could buy access to and bring it into
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their own algorithms and what is building the forecast data and the rain data for Apple
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But if it is truly abysmal outside of a few select countries, then it's going to be, I
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think, a rough start for this new service.
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I have a thought about this.
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Are we potentially going to be getting ourselves into an Apple Maps kind of situation?
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Do you think weather is important enough?
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You remember the whole like iOS 6 maps disaster?
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I mean, what do you think?
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I think it's a little bit different because there are so many other options for weather
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and with maps basically they were booting Google Maps out of the default slot.
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So I don't know, I think people will be upset, especially because in the stock weather app
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you can't change the data source like you can in Carrot weather and a bunch of other
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like nice third-party weather apps.
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So it may actually be good for those other weather apps that are more locally focused
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than Apple's own.
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But yeah, I'm interested to see how this shakes out over the fall as more people get access
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I haven't spent a ton of time using the Apple weather app because I just don't need it.
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like looking at it right now like it seems pretty comparable to to carrot
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weather and in carrot weather I use dark sky so I would expect there's at least
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some kind of data sharing going on there I think even if it was super bad I don't
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think it would be as much of an issue as Apple Maps was like I would say that the
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Apple or like the Maps app on the phone is much more
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important than a weather app, you know, just the situations that it can find you in and like the bad things it can drop you into
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like if you're being directed to the wrong place if you get yourself into a dangerous situation because the turn-by-turn is not good enough if
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Like you lose where you are in the street because you know getting good street like it's very different to like
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yeah, it's 25 degrees today rather than 20 degrees or like
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like, it's raining now and I didn't know it was going to rain. You know, like those things
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I don't think are as important, but hey, we'll see.
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Yeah, I think that's all fair. I do think the weather app is a lot nicer in iOS 16.
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Like I'm not going to be switching away from Carrotweather. It has a lot of features that
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I really like, but it is way nicer and bringing a lot of information that people just didn't
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have access to before if they were just using the stock app. I also really liked the weather
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wallpapers they have and it's one that I wish I could set just the home screen to the weather
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and use my own lock screen but Apple doesn't let you do that. The weather ones are married
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together. But I would totally use like the weather wallpaper just behind my home screen
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all the time.
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Oh you can use that as a home screen thing. I had only, I just assumed it was lock screen
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only. I hadn't tried that.
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You can't use it independently just on the home screen.
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It's lock screen or both.
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That's very strange isn't it?
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Yeah because I think it'd be cool to have that behind your icons all the time.
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Especially when it's like stormy and stuff it's very exciting.
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Yeah I haven't played around with that yet but I'm just looking now like when they changed
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it but I don't know it doesn't look like it.
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That's one of the options.
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No just like you choose photos which is strange.
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Zach points out that we are 10 years from the launch of Apple Maps.
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That makes me feel old.
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Because we talked about it on the prompt, I'm sure.
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10 years ago?
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No, we started the prompt nine years ago.
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Yeah, I was going to say that doesn't feel right.
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- Yeah. - That kind of timeframe.
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- Yeah, the prompt was June 19th, 2013.
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- And that was, yeah, 'cause we launched
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the summer of iOS 7, 'cause a lot of those early shows,
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we talked about iOS 7 a lot.
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- Yeah, man, summer of iOS 7, that was a good time.
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- Unless you put it on your carry phone.
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- No, it was a great time, it was a great time.
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- It was, it was fun.
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Remember how thin that text was?
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It was unusable. (laughing)
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- It was great.
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(speaking in foreign language)
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- Yeah, ultra, ultra, ultra light.
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- It's like if a hair, you know,
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like fell on your phone screen, like is that a letter?
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Is that a hair?
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- Johnny knew what he was doing.
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We just couldn't appreciate his brilliance.
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- It's true.
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And now he's gone.
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- Now he's gone.
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- I wanna update you on some sleep tracking stuff.
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- We spoke about this a couple of weeks ago
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about Apple's built-in sleep tracking
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and sort of all the other features they tie to it,
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like bedtime and wind down and all those things.
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And we talked about using the watch for sleep tracking
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and for the last two weeks I've been doing it.
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So since we talked about this, I was like, you know what,
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I'm gonna make a real run at tracking with the watch.
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I'm doing the thing where I charge the watch every morning
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as I like get a shower and like get ready
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and then charge it for a little while at night,
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usually about dinner time.
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And that's been no problem.
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Like I've got the Series 7,
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the battery life is totally good enough
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with just like a little bit of charging,
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you're good to go.
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And I don't even have it plugged into something
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that can fast charge it.
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You know, the current watches can fast charge
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with a larger power brick.
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I forget the exact details,
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but mine is just plugged into like a multi USB thing
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that has been plugged into forever behind my bed.
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And that's totally been fine.
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I've not had any days where I've all of a sudden
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like 4 p.m. hit the low battery thing, right?
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So I've been able to manage that really well.
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But I decided to give Apple's sleep tracking a shot.
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Now I am using Iowa 16 and watch OS 9,
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so some of these details may be a little bit different
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in the public releases, I'm just not sure,
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because I didn't really use them a lot,
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or at all really, previously to this.
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So if some of this is a little bit different on your phone,
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it may just be because I'm on the beta.
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But I've been able to set Apple sleep tracking up
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in a way that doesn't drive me bananas.
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And there are actually some real upsides
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to using their system.
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So at first you have the schedule.
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And I know that for you and Federico in particular,
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probably him more so than you,
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that's just kind of like a problematic thing
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because of your schedules and where you work
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and where you live and all those things.
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But for me, I've been able to basically set two schedules,
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one for the weekday, and then one for the weekend.
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And so during the week, every day is basically the same,
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especially now that school's back in,
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I'm getting up, getting kids to school, all that stuff.
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And then all weekends, I don't wanna sleep late usually,
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and so I can, I still have a schedule set for that.
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What is nice about these schedules
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is you can customize basically how it works.
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And so if you're in the alarm tab of the clock app,
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it shows up there and you can tell it basically change the next time the phone is going to
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wake you up.
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And so say that it's Friday evening and I want to sleep in Saturday past my weekend
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alarm, I can change that wake up just for the next day.
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Now you do adjust that little wheel, right?
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Yeah, the UI is strange.
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Yeah, Adina does all of this.
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She listened to the show and she's like, "Look, I do all of this."
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And I'm like, I know, but like, I know who I am as a person.
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And I, for me to feel comfortable
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that I'm going to wake up the next day,
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I have to set seven alarms.
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- Yeah, so I do still have like a backup alarm
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like three minutes later.
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And I've always done that.
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I've always had like two alarms back to back,
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but it's not as intrusive as it seems
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because you have options to turn off wind down
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and the sleep reminders.
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And those were things that sort of the nagging of it always bothered me.
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I never cared for the wind down and it can do a bunch of different things.
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Like I think wind down can like set your, like the screen
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brightness and some other stuff.
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I actually do use those features.
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Interesting.
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So, cause you don't need to have an alarm in the morning for that.
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I have the wind down stuff all set up now on a sleep focus, the kind of thing.
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And it like, it does this weird thing with the color of your screen.
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Like notification center goes really weird, almost like negative looking.
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It's, it's very interesting.
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Mm-hmm, so I'm not using
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wind down for anything
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But I am using a custom
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My sleep mode my sleep focus. So I have sleep focus turned on now
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It's tied to the sleep thing in health, which is really weird. Like I feel like sleep because it
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It traverses these different features, right? It's a focus mode. It's also in health. Like it's just kind of we're heading it up
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It's a focus mode.
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It's a health app.
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- Are you getting it?
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- You know, it's an alarm system.
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This isn't just one.
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- Yeah, so I really just changed the lock screen
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to have some more like nighttime based things.
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So like sunrise, the next alarm set,
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Apple watch battery level,
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just in case I messed up charging and I should--
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- Well, that's interesting.
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- And I should say,
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backing up to the battery thing for a second,
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you can set an option to have notifications
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about battery charging, so it will remind you
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if you haven't charged it before bed
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and it thinks it's gonna not make it.
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And if it's on charging, it will tell you
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when the watch reaches 100%,
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so you could grab it off the nightstand.
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You know, maybe you still got a stand ring
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or something to close, so that's all pretty nice.
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So all in all, this actually has worked for me
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a lot better than I thought it would.
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I still think the setup is really too fiddly
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and there's kind of like a lot of stuff going on.
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But if you spend some time dialing back the options
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exactly the way you want them,
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you can, I think you can get this to a pretty usable state.
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Now, if I'm out and about late past the bedtime I've set,
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then yeah, my phone's gonna go into the sleep focus mode,
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but it would do that if that was set on a schedule anyways.
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And it's very easy to undo that and say,
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"No, no, I'm not in bed yet."
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And I'm using sleep plus plus as a third party app
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by our friend Underscore to look at all the data.
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It's on the health app too.
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I tried auto sleep and auto sleep is beautiful,
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but ultimately overwhelming to me.
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It's like, I don't need this fine grained of information.
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I kind of just want to know like,
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okay, what time was I in bed?
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What percentage of that was I awake or deep sleep,
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that sort of thing.
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And again, auto sleep is really nice
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and you should definitely check it out
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if you're looking into this.
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But for me, Sleep++ being much simpler worked better for me.
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And so I've been doing this for a couple of weeks and I don't know if I've like
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really learned anything except that I actually,
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I think I sleep a little better than I thought I did. Maybe it's,
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it's interesting day to have,
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and it's been interesting to set it up and see how it all works together on iOS
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So I haven't done this underscore developer of Sleep++.
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He said that strangely, sleep++, he should call it that, sleep++.
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he texted me and said, "You just got to do it."
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And I was like, "Ah."
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My issue, here's the thing I can't get over.
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I don't want to sleep my watch on.
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I don't want to do it.
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I think it's too hot in the UK right now.
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Maybe once it cools down a bit over here, I might try it.
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But right now the idea of wearing my watch to sleep,
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just, I don't like the thought of that at all.
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- That's taking some getting used to.
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And I'm using the Sport,
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whatever the one with the Velcro in it is.
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I forget all their names, Sport Loop.
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- Sport loop.
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- Sport loop and changing out the watch band
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So I've just been wearing the sport loop just all the time.
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And it's fine.
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It gets very sweaty if you work out in it,
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but that is pretty comfortable to sleep in.
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I wouldn't want to sleep in something more,
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I guess more rigid, like some of the rubbery ones,
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but that definitely takes some getting used to.
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And the first couple of nights I was very aware of it.
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Like anytime I turned over,
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I felt like I had this huge weight on my wrist.
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Like, oh, let me bring my watch over here.
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But even in a couple of weeks that's faded.
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- I need to, but at the moment I'm trying to also
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get used to falling asleep with AirPods in.
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So like, you know, I'm doing that.
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By the way, on that I'm using original AirPods,
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not AirPods Pro, just sleep in.
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- Because it's more comfortable.
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And also like, I know this could be an issue.
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Like having earphones that go in your ears
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is not good for like really long time periods.
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So I've gone with the original AirPods
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'cause they also fall out when I actually fall asleep,
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right, like I like move my head or whatever
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when I'm sleeping.
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I always wake up and they're just like in the bed, you know?
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But it's, we had like a pair of AirPods 2 in the house
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that no one was using, so I've now taken those
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and they are now my sleeping headphone.
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- Do you have trouble like finding them the next morning?
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Do they get lost?
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- They're usually just around,
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they're usually like underneath me somewhere
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and it works fine.
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- I was going to suggest you could like tie a little thing
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between them and then I realized that's a terrible idea.
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- That's a quick way to choke yourself, you know?
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I was thinking that maybe I wanted to get the new AirPods
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because the problem with the original AirPods
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is the stem is really large and it presses on my ear.
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So I'm thinking maybe I want just the newer ones.
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They're the ones you use?
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No, you use AirPods too, right?
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- With the big silly looking ones now to me.
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- Yeah, they stick out like a mile.
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- They look ridiculous now because they look like,
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I looked like I could hold them in my fist.
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That's kind of how it feels to me.
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- Wolverine for AirPods.
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- Okay, well I'm happy to see,
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am I happy to hear that sleep tracking is good for you?
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I don't know, 'cause that makes me feel like I gotta do it.
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- I think you should at some point, but I mean,
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you should, the wearing the watch is a big thing.
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And so if that's gonna be uncomfortable,
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wait till it cools down.
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- I'll try it.
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I wanna go back in time a little bit.
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- Okay. - To 2010,
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the iPad is new, it's announced, maybe you got one,
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but you need to do some real work on it, you know.
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You don't wanna be consuming content,
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you'll be making content.
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And Apple has just the accessory for you,
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a $69 nice keyboard dock accessory for the iPad.
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You remember this thing?
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- Of course I remember it.
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- So I bought one for reasons, for the calendar.
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And I sent you a photo of it and you were like, yeah, I had one and I had totally forgotten
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I forgot that it existed and I forgot that you owned one.
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So will you give us a, you know, a 12 years in review of the keyboard dock?
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Do you think I still have it?
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I mean, no, but you know, you could give, give us the reason you got it maybe.
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So let's just roll back in time.
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I mean, there are a couple of reasons.
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I mean the main reason I got it was because I wanted all the accessories for my iPad,
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you know what I mean?
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Like I was just excited about the iPad and I wanted accessories for it.
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In the same way that I nearly bought the, when I got my original iPhone, I nearly bought
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the hands-free thing.
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I think it was bad.
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And the only reason I didn't buy it was because Carphone Warehouse's system went down and
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they were only taking, they couldn't take card payments because too many people were
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trying to buy phones at the same time and it was the first time that had ever happened
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and they weren't prepared for that and so I had to pay cash and I could only get out
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enough cash from the ATM machine to pay for the iPhone. So I didn't get the hands-free
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set but I did get the keyboard dock and for me it was just like well this seems like a
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good idea right like this is the perfect like screen to write on you know maybe I think
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back then I fancied that I could maybe be an Apple blogger you know I tried that a few
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times. So I was like well this is the perfect minimal writing machine you know
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that's what cool kids wanted, they wanted minimal writing machines you know
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distraction free writing environments all that kind of all those kind of
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buzzwords and I thought I need one of those and so I bought the keyboard dock
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and what I ended up actually using it for and then I later on kept this going
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with other products. So like as I moved to probably some form of lightning based iPad
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as well, I would get like a magic keyboard and put it in front and have a little stand
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as I used to use this for my podcast notes back in the day. So I would be recording on
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a Mac and I never wanted to touch the Mac in case I somehow messed up something with
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the recording. And I was also I think at that time using an 11 inch MacBook Air so I was
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terrified of that machine being able to cope with anything I was trying to throw at it
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at that time. So I would take all of my notes in Markdown in some app of some description
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using a keyboard attached to an iPad and so I would just be taking my notes and they would
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just be copy and pasted into a Squarespace field and that was good to go, you know?
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Yeah, I never used one in the time period, I don't think. I mean, I had an original iPad
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and I used it with, you know,
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like Apple's Bluetooth keyboard at the time.
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Eventually when our friends, Tom and Dan,
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they had their foldy iPad keyboard thing.
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What's that thing called?
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Used one of those for a long time.
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And then of course now, you know,
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Apple's got a wider range of them.
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And I used some third-party keyboards over the years too,
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but it's been kind of fun to have this thing around.
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And like you put your iPad in it,
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The iPad is in portrait mode because the 30-pin dock connector was on the short side like
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the lightning or USB-C port is now.
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It also makes sense for what it's to be used for.
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And Apple, with that original iPad, launched iWork for the iPad.
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And so you had pages and keynote and numbers, and they were like 10 bucks apiece, I think.
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But yeah, you could open up pages or some other document, Evernote or whatever you were
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type away. So it's kind of been fun to have one around this week and I mean it
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is literally just a keyboard with like a piece of plastic on it. It's very funny
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like it's how simple it is but I think a lot of people probably got a lot of
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typing done on that thing. It's kind of funny really I was gonna
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ask do you have an iPad that this works on and then realized who I'm asking? Yeah
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I got a couple original iPads. They are heavy and thick. So have you actually
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been doing a bunch of writing one of these things? I wish yeah I should I
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should have it up to the side you know for my for my notes. Man so you had an 11
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inch MacBook Air and this this would have been bigger on the desk that little
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laptop. Probably. I love it. The original iPad. Yeah. Yeah.
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of its weird back curved sides. I'm gonna just do it again because I can't stop. I'm
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nearly done with the After Steve book so I'm not gonna have any more stories to
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tell from it. But one of the things that was interesting in 2015, apparently
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Apple's design team completely redesigned the iPad but it was deemed
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too expensive and so the design was shelved right? Like this is one of the
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things that I spoke about and I've been fascinated to try and understand what
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that iPad was. I wonder if it was the flat side we got three years later. The
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way that is told in the book seems to suggest that it was a design that never
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came because it talks about making the iPad like significantly lighter. Hmm. I
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wonder if they were they were gonna make it out of a different material. Maybe.
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Maybe we're about to find out. Maybe in October. Well because they haven't they
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haven't redesigned that iPad right? Yeah the original. It's still the original
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iPad is still still it's still doing its thing. Yeah, it's very much like the that
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the current design of like the regular not no adjective iPad is basically the
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iPad Air. It's that sort of feel. That's that was a long time ago. I mean, the
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iPad Air was what 2013 or 14 sometime in there. It's been a minute. We should talk
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about iOS 16 beta five. This dropped on Monday, which was fine. I was I was
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expecting beta five this week, but I kind of thought, Oh, it'll
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be Tuesday or Wednesday. And then I pick up my phone on a
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Monday. And there's a text from john is like, hey, beta five is
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out. It's like, wait, what? It's Monday, the big change here on
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the iPhone, at least is you can now put the battery percentage,
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make that visible all the time on a phone with face ID. So with
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the iPhone 10, get the battery indicator on the right hand
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side, but the percentage was only available when you swipe
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down into control center and it's been that way ever since. And back in the day, I had
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the battery percentage, but with the iPhone 10 and later, I got used to not having it.
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But now you can turn it back on. And there's a couple of interesting design decisions,
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I think the numbers are pretty big within the little glyph of the battery. And the background
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stays as if the battery were perfectly fully charged. When you go to low power mode, it
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turns yellow and then if you're 10% or below it turns red which is 10% it
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doesn't go at 20 isn't 20% the low battery warning no but if you don't have
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low power mode on oh and maybe 10% yeah yes low power mode makes it yellow sorry
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I misspoke so it's 20 at 20% it will go red unless you turn on your low power
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mode? I think so. That would be consistent with how it is now and
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there's what people are now telling us in the discord. I think the design is fine.
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There were a couple of things on Twitter floating around, we'll have them
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in the show notes, of people who sort of designed it thinking, you know, redesigned
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it thinking that oh it should also show like the battery, the range, you know,
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the fill of the battery should actually get smaller as the number goes
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down but I feel like the number does that for you and it is most legible with a solid
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background so I guess they didn't think they needed to do that but I thought it was interesting
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that people responded so strongly to this design.
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I have not seen a concept that I thought looked better than what Apple's come up with and
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I'm not one to usually say this kind of stuff because I think it can be a bit tiresome but
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I think this is one of those situations where they thought through every option and they've
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given the one that is the clearest, most legible.
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I can't imagine Apple's software design team were like, "Hey, we did this in one!"
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Like our first idea here was the perfect one, let's not change it!
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I imagine that they went through all of these, like what would it be like if it changed color?
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what would it be like if it was going the whole way down?
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Like all these kinds of, and like the whole,
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no, I just think it's like, they just did it this way.
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'Cause I also think for Apple,
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they've been pretty clear, I think,
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with the way that the battery stuff has worked
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for the last few years.
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Like 20 to 80, it's just whatever.
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When it gets to 20, you're in a problem.
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And like, that's how they're showing it to you right now.
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So like when it gets down low, that's when it should,
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when you're below 20, that's when it gets the little sliver.
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I think the rest of the time, it's just like whatever, just show me the number.
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Like I don't need to see an accurate percentage fill of the battery.
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And like I don't, there is no utility in that at all for me.
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Like the number, as you said, the number shows the thing.
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And it starts to become messy.
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Like for a big chunk of the time, you would have like half of the number
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or a part of the number is a different color
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to the other part of the number, right?
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- I think that'd be really distracting,
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but having that change all the time.
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- And so I think this is just the best option
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because they change the graphic when you go below 20, right?
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And they show it as the little sliver,
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but because then it's gone past the number.
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- Right, so like if you had it like anywhere from like 80%
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all the way down to 20%,
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there's just going to be a gradient
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of like what part of the number is in a different,
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no, no, no, this is cleaner.
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I think they went with the right option here.
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- Yeah, I do too.
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What do you think overall about the return of this?
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I mean, did you use it in the pre-Face ID phones?
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- And are you using it now in the beta?
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- Yeah, I mean, it turned on on its own.
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- Yeah, it did, which I thought was interesting.
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- And I've just left it on.
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I mean it's fine like now I have the percentage because I would quite frequently want to check
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the percentage of my battery so I pull down from control center and now I don't need to
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do that. I think there's a reason they've decided to do it now but I'm not sure what
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that reason is. I expect it's related to the iPhone 14 Pro but I don't know how right like
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is this something to do with the always on display or is this something to do with the
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noxious phone design like I think it's one of those things like I don't think this is
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they just like all of a sudden someone's like oh my gosh we forgot to put the
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percentage the whole time like years we forgot to put the percentage there right
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like 2017 or whatever exactly and it's not like there's been a crusade over the
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last six months to bring this back like people have wanted this for ages and
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people were really upset when it went away and I feel like I haven't heard
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anybody talk about this in a long time so I expect it's related to the iPhone
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14 Pro which is supposed to get both of those features but I'm just not sure how yet.
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I've got it on for now.
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Casey tweeted something really interesting that it just adds stress and like I get that
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and I think actually he's like mostly right.
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I don't know if I'll keep it on forever.
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Right now I have it on because again just my experience in the betas has been is the
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battery life's pretty bad still and I find myself keeping a closer eye on my phone battery
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this summer than I have in a long time and so I've got it on for now we'll see
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if it if it stays on long term. I don't believe this but if Casey was here on
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this show with me right now the thing that I would do because I like to make
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fun of Casey likes him to poke fun at me I like poke fun at Casey right what I
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would say is buddy if that's one of the biggest stresses in your life I want
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your life. Yeah yeah that's true. Like all the things in my life that I could get
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stressed about seeing the number of the percentage of my battery is not one of
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them yeah but I do understand where he's coming from of like if this is something
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that you see like oh man I need to charge your phone like you most like 90
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percent of the time you actually don't need to charge your phone like your
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phone's gonna be fine like like you you can get these phones to such big
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batteries now you're probably good but like I do wonder like so if you don't
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see the percentage do you just never stress about your battery life like I
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I don't know which one is the right way around.
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But I will say, if you look at a number and you're like,
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oh man, I need to charge my phone,
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you should probably turn the feature off
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'cause you are thinking about it too much.
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For me now, it's just like, honestly, I look at my phone.
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For me, I'm getting the pleasure of like,
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man, the battery life on this phone is good
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'cause I just, at the end, I come to the end of the day
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and I'm still in double digit percentage numbers.
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I'm like, yeah.
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- He did put hot take with fire emoji,
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so take that with a grain of salt, I guess.
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- And he also turned off replies.
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I was actually pretty proud of him in this moment,
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but Casey turned replies off to that tweet.
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I was like, he's learning, you know?
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- This option is not available on the mini phones,
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I guess because of the size that it takes up.
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- That's 'cause the battery's so bad.
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(both laughing)
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They don't want people knowing.
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'Cause you just, you turn the screen on of an iPhone mini
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and you just watch it start ticking down.
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- Maybe, maybe.
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One feature I really am glad they've added
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is a copy and delete option when dealing with screenshots.
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So we've all done this a thousand times,
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take a screenshot on your phone.
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You don't wanna save it,
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you're gonna copy it out to iMessage or something.
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And there's a share sheet option in that screenshot UI,
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but very often I would just copy it
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'cause it's just quicker to go into Discord or Slack
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or wherever and paste it in.
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but now there's an option for copy and delete.
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So it puts it on your clipboard,
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but it does not save the screenshot to photos.
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And this like perfectly fits
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with the way that I use this feature.
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I'm sure Apple, when they designed it,
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it was, oh, people just use the share sheet,
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but then I got a bunch of screenshots to contend with.
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This is so good and my hat is off to whoever got it in here.
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- Yep, this is exactly one of those things
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where this is just, this feature is made by somebody
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who uses this feature, right?
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This is exactly what this tells you.
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If you're looking for this, by the way,
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'cause I was confused, it's under the Done button.
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So you take the screenshot, you press Done,
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and then you get save to photos, save to quick notes,
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save to files, copy and delete, delete screenshot.
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So you gotta copy and delete,
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and then it immediately puts it on your clipboard
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and then just deletes, and then also, therefore,
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gets rid of the thing,
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like the UI.
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So that's why for me,
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even if I was gonna put it in the share sheet,
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this is faster
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'cause then I still have to press done and then delete
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or like press the trashcan or whatever.
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So this is actually quicker.
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'Cause most of the time for me,
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if I'm sending somebody a screenshot,
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I also then have something to tell them.
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So like, and if I'm putting it in Slack,
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for me like Slack's whole thing is not awesome.
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What do you call it?
00:35:34
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The share sheet thing.
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So I would prefer to take a screenshot, copy it,
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and now do the copy and delete, then paste it into Slack,
00:35:41
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add my text and send it all in once, right?
00:35:43
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So that feels like good Slack etiquette
00:35:46
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rather than like sending a screenshot
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and then following up with the text.
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So like somebody gets the notification,
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they open it, it's just a screenshot.
00:35:53
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It's like, "Oh God, what's wrong with this?"
00:35:55
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- You know, Steven is typing.
00:35:56
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So I don't know what to do now, you know what I mean?
00:35:59
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- Yeah, I think I've said this before.
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Steven is very bad with this, you know,
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like when people say like, "Hey, I need to talk to you."
00:36:07
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Or, "Hi, I've got something to say."
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Steven does this, he's one of those people.
00:36:11
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He's like, "Hi, I need to tell you something, send."
00:36:14
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And then starts writing the rest of it, not good.
00:36:17
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That's toxic, that's your toxic trait, right?
00:36:20
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That's your toxic trait, is that.
00:36:23
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- I was listening to the waveform podcast this weekend.
00:36:26
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- Yeah, this is what made me think of it.
00:36:27
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- Marquez was like,
00:36:28
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"I use different calendar and task apps sometimes."
00:36:31
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It's like, dude, that's not a toxic trait,
00:36:32
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that's just being a nerd.
00:36:34
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- Yeah, he--
00:36:34
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- And he talked about remember the milk,
00:36:36
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which made me happy.
00:36:37
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- Oh my God.
00:36:38
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Yeah, see, where he was coming from was good initially,
00:36:42
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right, which is the idea of people who set alarms as tasks.
00:36:48
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- Right, that's the toxic trait.
00:36:49
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- That's my mother-in-law.
00:36:50
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- Using different apps is not a toxic trait at all.
00:36:54
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Well, maybe it is, but I do it too,
00:36:56
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so I'm gonna say it isn't.
00:36:58
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- Yeah, but yeah, using alarms as tasks management
00:37:03
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is an abomination.
00:37:05
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- Yeah, using Dew as a task manager is bad enough.
00:37:11
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Alarms is another step further.
00:37:13
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- Yeah, I'm not using Dew.
00:37:14
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I've got my medications in the health app.
00:37:17
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- I use Dew for a bunch of things,
00:37:18
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but I don't use it as like task management.
00:37:21
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It's like simple reminders. - Right, it's like,
00:37:22
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take out the trash or pay the light bill.
00:37:26
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That's a task. - Yeah, exactly.
00:37:28
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I'm not like, prepare for connected, is it?
00:37:33
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- I am also by the way here again, burning Casey.
00:37:37
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- Wait, does he use do as his task manager?
00:37:39
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- Oh yeah, yeah.
00:37:40
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- Yeah, but I mean like,
00:37:41
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he doesn't have as much going on as we do.
00:37:43
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- I mean, what, he's got like,
00:37:44
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he's got a do thing that says worry about your battery.
00:37:47
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You know what I mean?
00:37:48
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That's as much as he's got going on.
00:37:50
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- Think about running ethernet in my house.
00:37:53
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Watch the car.
00:37:54
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- Check the garage door.
00:37:56
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- Check the garage door, yeah, that's right.
00:37:57
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- You know, all the big Casey tasks.
00:38:00
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hug my, hug my, uh, Synology. Be one of the best human beings on the planet, you know,
00:38:05
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like all the typical Casey Tucks. I do love him. So do I. I also love to make fun of him.
00:38:10
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Yeah. You know? That's true love, I feel like. Mm-hmm. Can we talk about this playing live
00:38:15
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visualizer business on the-- Yes, amazing. --block screen? Is it? Oh, I love it. Oh,
00:38:19
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►
it's so good. It's so useless. But that's why it's so good. Come on. Don't you remember
00:38:23
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Good Apple, Whimsical Apple? Come on. Okay, so can you explain what this is for people?
00:38:28
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In the now playing live activity, because it's a live activity now, the now playing
00:38:33
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screen, in the top right hand corner, there's now just a little visualiser which is live
00:38:40
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and accurate-ish to the audio that's playing.
00:38:45
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Why not have it there?
00:38:47
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What I actually do think there is utility to it, which is it shows you some audio is
00:38:51
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playing which I tell you where that's useful.
00:38:54
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You've got your AirPods in and it hasn't connected.
00:38:57
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Yeah, and you can now see that there's audio playing somewhere, but maybe it's not where you want it to be. I like it
00:39:04
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I just think it's nice
00:39:06
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It could be useful maybe but I just like the way it looks it's I think it's like a fun little thing to have
00:39:10
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I'm not sure that it's worth the space. What else is gonna be there? Nothing else is there? Yeah, that's fine
00:39:16
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We can have white space
00:39:17
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But why when you can put a fun little feature though or you can make the text a little wider so you can see more
00:39:22
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of your song title
00:39:23
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Ah, who needs that? It'll scroll. You'll get it eventually.
00:39:26
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Yeah. I do like on this lock screen now playing UI, in the bottom right you have like the AirPlay
00:39:34
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option and if you connected to CarPlay, it shows the CarPlay icon. Like it is useful to see where
00:39:39
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audio is going. Yeah, the problem is the AirPods Pro SF symbol is weird looking. And that's what
00:39:47
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they replace it with and I believe it's an SF symbol. It looks very strange.
00:39:51
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I mean, it's a good use for that.
00:39:52
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It looks like Birdo from Mario 2.
00:39:57
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And I'm not the first person to say this,
00:39:59
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because I think people compared the AirPods Pro to Birdo initially.
00:40:05
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But this, the little symbol looks a lot like Birdo,
00:40:08
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and it's very weird.
00:40:11
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So that's what I had to say on the matter.
00:40:15
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Talking about betas, we've got Beta 5.
00:40:17
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We're talking about iOS.
00:40:19
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How is the beta on the Mac?
00:40:22
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Basically, mostly unchanged. Stage Manager is fine. It's not buggy like it is on the iPad.
00:40:28
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Okay. Setting the Settings app is still garbage and weirdly broken and hard to use. But you know,
00:40:34
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compatibility wise, I haven't had any issues. I'm running it on my notebook and like it's it's been
00:40:39
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fine. The battery life is fine. I do have this issue. I don't know what beta it is. I tend to
00:40:44
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blame Ventura, but I don't really have a reason for that. But like my Safari bookmarks get scrambled,
00:40:49
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like all out of order, it's like three times a day.
00:40:52
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Like I'll be sitting on my working on my Mac studio,
00:40:55
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►
which is running Monterey, and all of a sudden
00:40:59
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my bookmark folders are in the wrong order.
00:41:02
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And that's a little frustrating.
00:41:03
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But, you know, that's iCloud and beta.
00:41:05
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Like if that's the worst that happens, honestly, I'm doing OK.
00:41:08
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I am still very
00:41:12
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excited about using stage manager on the Mac.
00:41:16
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I think it makes more sense on the Mac than the iPad,
00:41:19
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just because you have more space.
00:41:20
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You know, maybe that's different
00:41:21
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if you're using a 13 inch iPad Pro,
00:41:23
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but I don't, haven't had one of those in a long time.
00:41:26
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And I haven't used the beta on one of those.
00:41:28
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So using a beta on like a, you know, 11 inch, you know,
00:41:32
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iPad Pro or Air,
00:41:33
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the couple of times I've gotten to play with it,
00:41:35
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it just feels a bit cramped.
00:41:36
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I don't know.
00:41:37
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I'm not using it.
00:41:38
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Like it doesn't really jive with the way that I work,
00:41:40
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but it's fine.
00:41:42
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- I just like, I find myself like I'm using my Mac
00:41:45
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and I have so many apps open.
00:41:47
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And I'm like, I think I would like to have these in stage manager rather than
00:41:51
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having like six spaces. I don't want six spaces. I don't, I really,
00:41:56
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I don't want to use spaces at all anymore now that stage manager is a thing that
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exists. So I'm excited about it. I am excited about it.
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- Actually nothing, which is kind of interesting.
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What it didn't eat was 1Password 7.
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- Oh, it's good.
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I wasn't setting you up, but I'm glad you took it.
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- Because 1Password 7 is still on the App Store.
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1Password 8 is its own app.
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And I find that strange to start with.
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I haven't looked into this. I should have now. I just said it like,
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I don't know if they've said why they're doing this. I mean,
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I can imagine why because it's at a different direction and maybe they don't want
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to deal with like people getting upset about a forced, uh,
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update, you know, like if it's all different, it looks different,
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but I don't know what their plan is for moving people over.
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7 also still supports some syncing options that they're not using moving forward.
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And so they did this on the Mac as well.
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8 is a separate SKU than 7 because some people are still using those older sync methods and
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aren't ready to move.
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I mean, I expect at some point then there's going to be one password and one password,
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classic or something.
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Yeah, I don't know.
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I feel like they've got to drop the numbers at some point.
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I don't know why the numbers need to be there.
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- I think this is the best way to go about it,
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even if it means that the adoption
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of the new version is slower.
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I mean, 1Password 8 on the Mac in particular
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came with a lot of conversation about it,
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being Electron and being so different.
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And I think they learned from that.
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And I'll say this, I mean, 1Password 8,
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I was on the beta for a long time.
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The final version, there are some bugs in it
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in terms of layout and UI stuff,
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which we'll get to in a second, but overall, I really like it.
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And I really like on the phone. Yeah. Okay. It's fine.
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Sorry. I just wanted to check. I wasn't sure which one you mean.
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Yeah. Sorry. It's fine on the Mac, but on the phone, I really like it. Uh,
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mainly for the customization. So yeah.
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On the sort of main screen of the app,
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you can hide and add sections and you can rearrange them. So they have, uh,
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some of those really cool called pinned fields.
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So it's just like the small UI at the top for anything you pin.
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You can pin like your Twitter password and just shows up as a little item at
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the top and you tap on it and copy it.
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Um, that's really cool.
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I would imagine if you have like a two factor authentication number, you need
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often or something, you know, but you can basically pin anything from any entry up
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there at the, uh, at the top, which is really cool.
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And then you have, you know, favorites, which has been part of one password
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forever. But then you have some smart lists. So recently created, recently used,
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recently modified and frequently used. And I've got a couple of these turned on
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because if very often I will change the password or a detail or create something
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new, and then I'll need it on my phone. Like maybe I'm setting it up on the Mac
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for some new app I'm trying and then I needed on the phone. Like having those
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there with quick access is actually pretty cool.
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And I think this customizable main screen, uh,
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is a great addition to this app. I'm really, I'm really digging that direction.
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The frequent recent thing is a smart,
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cause I set up a bunch of favorites once upon a time and then stopped needing
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that or like the list changed and I was lazy and didn't change it.
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And so like the favorites part for me is kind of a bit like
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old and busted, then there's just like a bunch of
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incomplete stuff in here that I also don't really use
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'cause I just tend to search for things.
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But this is just like a great way to surface stuff.
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I need you to tell me how I pin things.
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- Yeah, so like, you know, find a login or something
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and then you long press on some part of it.
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- Pin to home.
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- So like, so I'm looking at like my Apple ID password
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and then there's a pin to home
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and then it will show up there.
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Oh, so one-time passwords is where this is best.
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Because just pinning a password seems, I mean, I guess you could do it.
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I'm going to think about what I'm on.
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Yeah, if it's something you need often, but I think it's pretty, pretty clever.
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I wouldn't mind something like this on the Mac.
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And you can set it where if you tap on the pinned item,
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it copies or you can set it where it shows it in large type.
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So say that you have a password, you enter manually a bunch,
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you could have it on there and tap it to get it in large type
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so you can type it on your other device.
00:48:24
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It's well thought through and it's all using Swift UI
00:48:28
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and some of the visual weirdness I've seen,
00:48:31
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I think it's just because it's Swift UI.
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It's using Rust for the backend like they do
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on the Mac and Windows and Android,
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but Swift UI is the UI choice.
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And I find that interesting
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'cause the Mac, they went with Electron
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and I don't know the reason why they split that.
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It feels like those decisions were not made at the same time.
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I don't know that.
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I find that using SwiftUI for it is just really interesting,
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'cause it is a bit complicated app,
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and it does give it a nice modern look,
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but obviously different from where they went on the desktop.
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- Yeah, the thing that I am struck by,
00:49:05
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which is a surprise to me,
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is now the 1Password on the phone and the Mac
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look more different than they have ever looked,
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which is, that was not what I was expecting.
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Like, now I'm surprised that there is functionality
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in the iPhone version that's not in the Mac version.
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I mean, I guess there are some similarities,
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but they're also different, if that makes sense,
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which I find peculiar.
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That wasn't what I was expecting.
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Like, I can't customize all the stuff here
00:49:36
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on the Mac app, like a can on the phone, right?
00:49:39
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I don't got any of those features, which is odd.
00:49:41
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So yeah, I've noticed some buggy things.
00:49:43
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Like, we're talking about that customization field.
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like when you go to the home screen and you customize
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and there are like these little drag things,
00:49:49
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they work for me like the actual dragon works for me
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like 10% of the time where I try and drag something
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like most of the time it just doesn't end up
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doing the dragging.
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What I will say though, this is the least Swift UI
00:50:02
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looking Swift UI app that I've used.
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It just doesn't look like other apps
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and I'm not saying that's good or bad.
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It's just, I feel like a lot of apps that I've used
00:50:13
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in SwiftUI, I maybe would be able to tell, but this one not.
00:50:18
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And what that maybe tells me is I'm using loads of SwiftUI apps
00:50:21
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and I don't even know about it.
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Because you can get--
00:50:25
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I think what it is is--
00:50:27
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one of SwiftUI's big benefits is that you can get up and going
00:50:31
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pretty quickly.
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And so I think a lot of developers
00:50:35
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where maybe they just want to get up and going,
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from a design perspective, they use a lot more system control.
00:50:41
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and clearly you don't need to use a lot of system control.
00:50:45
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So I guess similarly, actually now I'm saying it,
00:50:47
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WidgetSmith doesn't look like any other app
00:50:50
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that I use either,
00:50:51
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and I know that Dave's using SwiftUI for that,
00:50:53
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so I guess there is stuff that you can do here
00:50:56
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which isn't necessarily just using the out of the box stuff.
00:51:01
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- I'm upset that they do not offer a dark mode icon.
00:51:05
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- Oh no. - Just a silver icon.
00:51:07
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I was using the dark icon and then I just have a silver icon
00:51:10
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and I would like a dark icon back, please.
00:51:13
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'Cause now the icon on my home screen has changed
00:51:15
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and I don't want that to happen.
00:51:17
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But it's happened.
00:51:18
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- Yeah, bring it back, 1Password.
00:51:20
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- Yeah, I would say overall I'm happy with this.
00:51:23
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'Cause I would say for me, like,
00:51:24
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the Mac app has been great.
00:51:26
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Like 1Password 8 on the Mac, it's been great.
00:51:28
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I don't have any problems with it.
00:51:30
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- No, I mean, I ran the beta of that too
00:51:33
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and they made a lot of progress.
00:51:35
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And I've said this before on this show and on MPU,
00:51:39
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where 1Password is a current sponsor,
00:51:43
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but that doesn't make any difference to me
00:51:45
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in terms of the way we cover it.
00:51:46
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In terms of like the religious fight over Electron
00:51:53
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on the Mac, if it's good or bad for the platform,
00:51:56
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I just find uninteresting.
00:51:57
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Like if these technical decisions work well
00:52:01
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for the companies and it means that 1Password
00:52:04
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gets updates everywhere more quickly
00:52:07
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and it still works with all my browsers
00:52:10
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and it still has the little menu bar app.
00:52:14
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And now they even do things like the,
00:52:16
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like one of my favorite things on the Mac
00:52:17
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is the full, like basically fill a password anywhere
00:52:21
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where it like screen reads
00:52:22
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and figures out what the fields are.
00:52:24
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I love that thing.
00:52:25
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And it is awesome to log into something
00:52:28
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like the Mac App Store,
00:52:29
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where I feel like I'm logged out every three days,
00:52:32
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to just use one password there without copying and pasting.
00:52:35
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And so I've got no problems with these directions
00:52:38
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because the feature set continues to get better.
00:52:42
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- I like the idea of that feature.
00:52:45
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My problem is it does not work 100% of the time.
00:52:48
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- Yeah, it's not flawless for sure.
00:52:50
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- And so because of that, I don't use it.
00:52:53
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Because I never know if I'm like gonna try and do the thing
00:52:56
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and then it doesn't work
00:52:56
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and I have to copy the password anyway.
00:52:58
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- That's fair.
00:52:59
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- So I just bring up the little, the new little mini thing,
00:53:03
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which I actually quite like.
00:53:04
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you know, I just press like command and backslash
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and it just pops it up.
00:53:08
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And then you can navigate that
00:53:09
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with the keyboard really easily.
00:53:11
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So I just do that.
00:53:12
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- So that's, yeah, what's one password eight?
00:53:15
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I'm digging it on the phone.
00:53:17
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I'd like to see some of the customization come to the Mac.
00:53:19
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I think that'd be really cool.
00:53:20
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Especially the pen things.
00:53:22
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That is super awesome.
00:53:24
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- I've unified the backend, split the front end
00:53:27
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and in the same position again.
00:53:29
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(both laughing)
00:53:31
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- I bet these features end up in the desktop app
00:53:34
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some point. I hope so. Amazon is buying iRobot for 1.7 billion dollars.
00:53:42
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Look Jeff Bezos needs a lot of Roombas for that big house of his.
00:53:46
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Yeah iRobot make Roomba and the mop one I forget the name of.
00:53:53
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Mop bot? Mop bot. We'll call it mop bot. I don't think it's called that. We can find out the
00:54:00
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answer though these things are available to us they call the Rava Rava I don't
00:54:05
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know why it's not just called the room bum up like I don't know why they needed
00:54:08
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a second brand they make handheld vacuums I did not know that every time I
00:54:13
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see the iRobot branding I'm like wait is that the room book company it's just
00:54:17
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they have air purifiers now it is wild to me that they kept that name going as
00:54:22
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long as they did well they lead into it right that they didn't just rebrand the
00:54:26
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company to just Roomba. Yeah but it's like the iRobot OS is like the software
00:54:31
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they built for them they've they've gone nobody nobody knows the brand right no
00:54:36
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I don't think about the movie yeah and it's also a book right yes as a movie's
00:54:42
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based on a book so yeah Amazon's buying them for 1.7 billion dollars the CEO is
00:54:49
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gonna stay on and run the company so it's gonna be I expect will just be
00:54:56
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call iRobot or maybe Amazon make them change the name to Roomba but same as
00:55:01
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Ring, same as Eero, these are companies that have continued to run somewhat
00:55:07
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independently or you know but I'm sure like like Eero you'll be able to sign in
00:55:12
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with your Amazon account at some point which just makes sense. This is a time
00:55:17
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people keep saying I just listened to Ben Thompson say this today this is the
00:55:22
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time for acquisitions because stock prices are down so if you're a company
00:55:25
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with cash you can just buy up the company if you've had your eye on for a
00:55:28
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while and so that's happening. Here's my hope for this. My hope is that Roombas
00:55:36
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get cheaper now because Roombas are expensive like I'm always surprised how
00:55:42
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expensive the top-of-the-line Roombas are. They are expensive products. My hope
00:55:47
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now is that with Amazon they might drive the prices down a bit because that's
00:55:51
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Amazon's thing they sell their own hardware stuff really cheaply right like
00:55:56
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compare it compared to other products of that class the echoes are cheap products
00:56:04
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yes yeah they're subsidizing it with everything else they do right and people
00:56:08
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point out in the discord that like Eros but Eros weren't very expensive for
00:56:12
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their product class Roomba's are expensive products so I would hope that
00:56:16
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that that would be the case but also I'm I'm like it I think like anybody that
00:56:22
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gets a Roomba I love Roomba yep like the products are fantastic and now this
00:56:28
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means that the company won't go out of business which I'm really happy about
00:56:31
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right and now they're less likely to go out of business because now Amazon has
00:56:36
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to go out of business and if Amazon goes out of business we've got a lot more
00:56:39
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problems the internet doesn't work any that our robots not working yeah exactly
00:56:43
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So I'm pretty I'm pretty jazzed about it to be honest. The CEO sticking around is
00:56:49
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is very similar to how other things have gone. So when they bought Eero which was
00:56:57
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rumored to be like 98 million dollars they paid basically nothing for Eero but
00:57:01
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Eero was apparently kind of in bad financial straits at the time. Their CEO
00:57:07
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and most of the leadership team stayed on and when they bought Ring for a
00:57:12
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similar amount of money to them buying iRobot, the CEO and leadership stuck
00:57:19
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around. This seems to be how Amazon likes doing this. We're like these companies,
00:57:22
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from what I've heard of interviews of the Eero guy whose name escapes me, they
00:57:28
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basically still operate like companies, you know, they're within Amazon and then
00:57:32
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they can can work and navigate the Amazon infrastructure, but they're still
00:57:38
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doing their own thing, their own product development, and honestly I think
00:57:41
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think that that has worked pretty well for Amazon, especially when you contrast
00:57:47
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it to like what happened with Google and Nest, right? Like Nest was independent
00:57:52
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within Google, then it was an alphabet and they folded it in and everybody left
00:57:56
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and it was like, they've run into the ground.
00:57:58
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And then they, they unfolded it again, and then did nothing with it. Right?
00:58:04
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Because it's its own brand again, isn't it? Nest by Google?
00:58:07
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- I think so, but it's interesting.
00:58:12
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There's a lot of reasons Amazon would want to do this,
00:58:17
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I think, I mean, it's another kind of smart home
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type business and they can integrate it
00:58:23
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with their assistant and everything.
00:58:25
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There's already a skill for the Echo line
00:58:28
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where you can ask the tube to run your vacuum,
00:58:31
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but there's obviously concerns here from some people
00:58:36
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about what does this mean from like a privacy perspective
00:58:40
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because Roomba is at least like the new,
00:58:44
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sort of higher end ones.
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Mine's a couple years old now,
00:58:47
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but it was like the nicest one when it was for sale new.
00:58:51
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You know, it does map my house and if you go in the app,
00:58:55
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like, I mean, the map kind of looks like it was drawn
00:58:56
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by a four year old, but like it kind of gets,
00:58:59
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you know what my house looks like.
00:59:01
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You know, quite frankly, like I don't see,
00:59:04
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Like what's Amazon going to do with that compared to what they already know about
00:59:08
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me in terms of purchasing and my purchasing at Whole Foods. And yeah, you know,
00:59:12
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and I mean, I get like, I'm a guy with ring cameras and a Euro system.
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Like I'm fine with Amazon products in my household if you're not.
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And that's where you've drawn your line. That's fine.
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I will ask, I will ask, I was just asked the question flatly. You'll be nice.
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What do you think Amazon want the layout of your home for?
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What do you think they're going to do?
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I don't know. That's yeah.
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Amazon don't care about the shape of your living room.
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You give them everything already.
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You buy from them.
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- Yeah. - Right?
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That's all they want.
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They just wanna know what products you buy.
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They don't wanna know what dust is under your sofa.
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Like they don't care about that.
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And I know that they do the ring thing with police,
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but like that's a different thing, right?
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I'm not talking about that.
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- That's bad news, right?
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and Ring lacked into encryption and some others.
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Like Ring's been problematic.
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And I went into the ecosystem knowing all that
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and you can turn, you can change all your settings
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to make that basically better.
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And you know, if I don't know how much the Roomba can see,
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right, in terms of like its sensors or like a camera,
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and I get that, right,
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and everyone has to make their own decisions.
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- Every technology company gives information
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to police when compelled to.
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Like, none of them don't do that.
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- Yeah, well, it's the law.
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- Yes, so like maybe Ring do it more than others.
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Like, sure, but you cannot buy technology
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assuming that that won't happen to you.
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It can all happen to you.
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It might be different, the information that they give,
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but like, is your security camera less or more risky for you
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than your iMessages?
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because if you use iCloud backup,
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then your iMessage information can be given to the police.
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So like, you know, there is no,
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there are ways to protect you from all this stuff,
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but then you can't benefit from a lot of the things
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that you would like to benefit from,
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like backing up your phone, right?
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Good luck backing up your phone without iCloud.
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So like, I get, like it is healthy to be skeptical,
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but like just to naturally assume
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that every company or like every company that's not Apple
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is gonna give your information away to the government,
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like Apple do it as well.
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So let's just put all of our cards on the table here.
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- Yeah, I think that's well said.
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I'm not, you know, I'm not gonna be taping over
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the sensors on my room, but I'm gonna continue to use it.
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You know, for me, it's like where my line sort of fell
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in this is that, I mean, we use HomePods in the house,
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mostly because I switched everything to home kit,
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worked a little bit better,
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and the HomePod, like the one big HomePod I have left
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that's still alive is in the kitchen
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and it sounds incredible,
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and we listen to a lot of music on it.
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You know, for me, like I wouldn't put one of these,
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one of these smart home things with a camera,
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like in the bedroom, right?
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Like my wife would not want that, I don't want that.
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So I would not have like an Echo Show.
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I would not have that in the bedroom.
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But my iPhone sits on my nightstand
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and it's got four cameras on it, right?
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Like, so there's, none of these lines are perfect.
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And it's really about kind of wherever you fall
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and how you think about these things.
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For me, I'm not worried about it.
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I'm not worried about iRobot being run to the ground.
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Like Amazon, I think has done a pretty good job
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with these other purchases.
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There are, there have been hiccups, like no doubt.
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But if the alternative was them going away
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or being bought by Google,
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which has a bad history of managing these companies,
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like I'm pretty okay with this
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as a long time Roomba customer.
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As I said before if it keeps remember around and now maybe does something about trying to make things cheaper and/or
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Integrative other products that I own in a better way like I'm into it personally
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I've got a camera when I talk to you about Myke. Okay. Is it a ring?
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And I put a ring camera on top of it and it just drives around what
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Oh, that's double trouble baby. Double trouble!
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Yeah, there's a button that goes right to the Department of Justice.
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They've had a busy week.
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Mm-hmm. I picked up an Opal C1.
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Okay. This has been, you know,
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Some tech youtubers have talked about it. It's
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effectively, I mean it's it's a chunky webcam and it has a
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Big ol Sony sensor a 4k sensor that my understanding is is very similar to what's in something like the
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Like the rx100 line. It's not that it's not a sensor. That's that big
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I don't think but it is sort of similar incredible low-light
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A really fast f 1.8 lens. It's a very nice webcam as it should be for
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$100 but you can reserve and get in line and I got my invite to purchase one a couple weeks ago
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And I did and now I'm here to report on it
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So I had an invite come for a couple of weeks ago as well and I decided not to do it
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Okay, because it's $300 and I thought to myself
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I don't want it for $300 now. I would say at the time I didn't need a webcam
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Mm-hmm. Well now I've got the MacBook Pro plugged into an LG display
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And I don't have a webcam.
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So now if I ever need to do video while I've got my podcast gear, I need to take things
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Which is fine, I can just go take my Brio from my PC and plug it in.
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It will be easy enough to do.
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But like, because I just got the studio display, so I was like, well I don't need the camera
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anymore because I have the iMac, but no I don't have that.
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But I don't, I think I'm going to take that $300 and I'm going to put it into a pot to
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save up for another studio display for my recording desk.
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Because I have a 32 inch OG in front of me right now, which is too big.
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But I'm just reusing the monitor that I had been using previously for my other thing.
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And ah, good point from Pastor Boy.
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Continuity camera was the other thing I wanted to try out.
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I don't I'm not going to bother getting camo or I'm not going to go into that
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Doing that right now because continuity cameras just around the corner at this point
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And I have a webcam here at the studio that I use when I stream
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But yeah, I am so intrigued though. I watched a
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Friend of the show David Sparks did a video about one
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Which I assume maybe been another reason what pushed you to it. You seem pretty jazzed about it. Yeah, it's it's pretty sweet
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So I've I was using the LG Brio which is a 4k and I had a version with a little magnetic mount for the pro display
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This is definitely
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better than that camera, but I'm not sure it's worth $300 unless you make your living on
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Doing a bunch of stuff with your webcam, right? It has
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You know physical features it is USB C
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Which is really nice and it comes with a a little mount with little legs so you can kind of you know
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make it squeeze the top of your display and it's got a pivot so you can angle it down because
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You know ergonomically the top of your screen should be
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above your eye line and then it's sort of looking at the top of your head so you can you can angle it down and
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magnetic lens cover and an LED when it's active so, you know
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When it's active and you can actually put a physical lens cap over it when you're not using it and it's super smart
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So if you take the lens cap off the camera wakes up if you put it on the camera goes to sleep
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But on the software side, it's a little bit weird. They have a Mac mini bar app that runs all the time and
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It gives you
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control over
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what the camera is doing and so you have
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Camera settings so you can lock the focus
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You can record just within their app if you just need to do like a little little something
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You can change the bokeh. So you can like really kind of blow out the background again. It goes down
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The the bokeh goes down to f is 0.7
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You can add a logo you can zoom as face lock which is like center stage where it sort of follows your head around
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Which is kind of funny
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And there's also some audio settings because it does have microphones and microphones do sound
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Really good. It's the best sounding webcam I've ever had but you got to have that Mac app. It does install a system extension
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so you've got to go into
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system settings or assistive preferences and
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Allow that which is fine. Do you got to do the rebooting?
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The only audio had actually only one that has to do that that I've ever come across is that because it's the first time
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It's the first time right because you have to go in and say reduce system
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Security and then they'll all be fine after that I think
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think? Maybe. I didn't have to reboot or anything. The software's fine. I mean, you know, it's
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like another thing in my menu bar, but I have a million things in my menu bar, so it's fine.
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And you have a 400 inch wide display. 32 inches, yeah. Same as you. I love how a minute ago
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I said 32 was too big and you agreed with me. I have a much bigger desk than you do.
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And I don't have a second monitor next to it like you do. That's true. Well, this desk
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is is small and beautiful a desk that's a big desk yes covered in your face this
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this is really it's more your desk than mine you can you could use this as a
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stand like a more standalone thing it doesn't have to be clipped to the top
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your display the bottom has a quarter 20 on it so you can screw it on to a plate
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to put on a tripod or something and it does get warm after a little bit which
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is kind of weird but even in like 1080 mode which I have mine in because zoom
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and some of the applications sort of balk if you if you have it set to the full 4k, but it's really nice
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no one needs a $300 webcam including me, but if
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You you know say that you want to start streaming or something like if it was between this or like
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Something like an rx100 or something and then you're gonna like pipe it into your computer
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I think I would look at this first just because
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It has a lot of stuff in software and is simpler to manage than like a you know setting up
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a quote unquote real camera as your webcam.
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Did you use it to take your new profile photo?
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No, that was with my Sony camera.
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Some people had autofocus issues.
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Mine seems okay.
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You know, maybe that's the software thing.
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The software is definitely like in beta.
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And so it says beta on it.
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Like it's, I mean, it's not even widely available to purchase.
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Like this is a very young new product.
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So, uh, I have not had the autofocus issues, but if you do, my hope is that
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they could fix that in the software side.
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I think some of the invite stuff is hype.
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I do think that it can come back to bite you because if I would have just
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been able to give them my money, I would have one of these.
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It's a good way to hide.
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Uh, I don't know if they're doing this, but it's a good way to hide supply chain
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issues, right?
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Sign up for an invite to buy it.
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We're making them as fast as we can.
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I mean, that might have been part of the reason that they did it, because this was a post-pandemic product.
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Like, the pandemic changed what people wanted from their cameras.
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People were upset with their laptop cameras, and so this company sprang up and took a lot of investment from a lot of interesting people and developed a thing.
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It's the same--I know you mentioned it's the Sony thing.
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Is it true that this is the same sensor that's in the Pixel phones?
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I heard that once, but I don't know if that's true.
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Oh, that may have been what I was thinking when I said the RX100.
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I think it may be.
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I think it's a Sony sensor, but it was used in the Google Pixel, I believe.
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Like it's actually a smartphone sensor, which surprised me.
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Yes, The Verge, in their review, which I'll put in the show notes,
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the show notes says that it is the same sensor that was in the first pixel
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because that was one of the when I found that out that actually turned me off it
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the way this thing looks makes it look like it's got like some serious hardware
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in it you know but yeah but really it is just a smartphone and I already have one
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of those mm-hmm that was and that this is these were like some of the things
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that led to me thinking that when my time came around I was like no I'm good
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And like now with continuity camera now, I'm like, no, I'm really good. Like I'm gonna have a bit
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I'm feel pretty confident that the iPhone
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Video camera will produce better image quality probably this well
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Yeah, it's it's not as good as the iPhone, but it's definitely the best
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Non-real camera I've ever hooked up to my to my computer
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Sure, let's like the best webcam you can get. Yeah, but most people including me don't actually
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Don't actually need it and but I think it's interesting. I mean mainly because of what you said right this came out of
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The the world that we were all thrust into in 2020
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I can it was really hard to buy a webcam like I remember our brother, you know
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Like everyone else I was working from home all of a sudden
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I was looking for a webcam and there just weren't any and I had an extra so I just I gave him
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Gave him an old
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LG one that I had or somebody I don't know but it's
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This is a meeting
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You know the need that people have and it's taken them a couple of years to get it out like like you would imagine anything
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Else that's hardware and software, but it is really impressive. Is it is it worth it for most people again?
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No, but if you have this need I think
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Pretty easily. It's the the nicest best thing on the market for it and it does look cool. It does look I guess the
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Flexibility is good. Right like and I have been a person who struggled with
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Flexibility in cameras right like I've been moaning about this for months about not being able to change the refresh rate
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Can you do that here like 50 or 60 Hertz? Can you do that or did it have anti flickering?
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options in their software I don't see anything in
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here about the
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refresh rate, but I would I would assume it was okay with that.
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Sometimes it's just called anti flickering or like that kind of stuff.
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Yeah, I don't, I don't see anything about that either. Um,
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there are some filters you can apply if you want to like highlights and shadows
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and stuff. Uh, you can mainly set a bunch of stuff like white balance and exposure.
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I have all that to be automatic. Um, and there's also gesture control.
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So you can like do a peace sign and the video toggles on and off or
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draw on the video like that's all fine but mostly kind of uh kind of silly i think i don't know how
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useful that is in real life oh you can put your logo on it too or you can like put a little logo
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on there update it's called anti-banding and there's three settings uh 50 hertz 60 hertz and
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auto there you go so that's this would work for you take for me but the iphone camera doesn't do it
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yeah but then you're like taking your phone out like putting in a mount like
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There's something to be said about having something that's dedicated.
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I agree with you and also as a popsocket user I don't even know if any of these mounts will work for me
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so like it might be like a whole thing that I need to work out later on
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but I could probably just use a glyph from Studio Neat
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but I don't very frequently need a webcam where I record podcasts
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like that's the only place for me where I...
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Just because of your setup.
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Just because I would usually take video calls in front of the studio display
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which does now work properly. I don't know why.
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My studio... sometimes... I go through these
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phases where sometimes the studio display will accurately change to
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the what I need it to so it stops banding or flickering,
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but sometimes it doesn't. Well they had an update for it just last week maybe
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that took care of it? I haven't run that update yet.
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So I'm confident that that update will break it because that
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that's happened before in the past. Probably.
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So that's yeah, that's the the opal c1. It's really expensive, but really nice.
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Thanks so many things.
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