410: For Years We Forgot to Put the Percentage There 
   
   
 
 
 
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     From Elay FM, this is Connected, episode 410. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     The show is brought to you by our fine sponsors, Sourcegraph, CleanMyMac, X and Bombas. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     My name is Myke Hurley, and I would usually be introducing Federico 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Vittucci to the podcast at this moment, but Federico is away today 
     
     
  
 
 
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     for it is his birthday. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So I will now hop over Federico, or do the old Italian hop, as they call it, and introduce 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Steven Hackett to the podcast. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     How are you? 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     It's not my birthday. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     You've got a long time, but it will be eventually. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I think we should send Federico a present. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     What I would like the connected listeners to do is to open Twitter, send Federico a 
     
     
  
 
 
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     tweet with your fourth most used emoji. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     I'm gonna do this now, so I've got my phone. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Going to OpenTweetBot. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I'm going to-- 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - Fourth in what direction? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - Okay, so let me, Viticci, so I'm on the emoji keyboard. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So under the frequently used, I think it is down. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So one, two, three, four down. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - Oh no, I'm sending him a sad emoji. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
 
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     - Mine is the melting face one. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - He's gonna think something bad's happened. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I've sent Federico the melting face emoji. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - So I sent him like the disappointed one. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     You know, I think that's what it's called. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - Yeah, I think so. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - Oh, poor Federico. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - So we'll see what people send him. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I'm excited about that. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     We have some follow up. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     We've heard from a lot of folks with the will, will, may, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     may type autocorrects, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     basically any word that's also a name. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     iOS wants to capitalize this. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And a bunch of feedback was like, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I had not noticed this before. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Thank you for ruining my phone. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Sorry about that. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     - It's not our fault, it's differential privacy. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - It's still happening to me. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - Oh yeah, mine is a real mess. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - It's very upsetting. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Maybe one day it will stop, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     but I'm not expecting that it will. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - We also heard from quite a few people 
     
     
  
 
 
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     following up on Apple weather. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Federico had commented that it doesn't seem super accurate 
     
     
  
 
 
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     where he is in Rome, and a bunch of people outside the US 
     
     
  
 
 
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     have basically said the same thing, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     that Apple weather is incorrect a good bit of the time, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     especially when compared with a weather service 
     
     
  
 
 
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     that is more local to them. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     We heard from several people in Australia 
     
     
  
 
 
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     where this is true, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     where their weather services that are, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I guess, more finely tuned to what they experience 
     
     
  
 
 
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     compared to Apple weather, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     which is trying to do it around the world. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And hopefully this is just growing pains. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I mean, a lot of this data is available that Apple could buy access to and bring it into 
     
     
  
 
 
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     their own algorithms and what is building the forecast data and the rain data for Apple 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     But if it is truly abysmal outside of a few select countries, then it's going to be, I 
     
     
  
 
 
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     think, a rough start for this new service. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I have a thought about this. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Are we potentially going to be getting ourselves into an Apple Maps kind of situation? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Do you think weather is important enough? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     You remember the whole like iOS 6 maps disaster? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I mean, what do you think? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I think it's a little bit different because there are so many other options for weather 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and with maps basically they were booting Google Maps out of the default slot. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So I don't know, I think people will be upset, especially because in the stock weather app 
     
     
  
 
 
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     you can't change the data source like you can in Carrot weather and a bunch of other 
     
     
  
 
 
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     like nice third-party weather apps. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So it may actually be good for those other weather apps that are more locally focused 
     
     
  
 
 
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     than Apple's own. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     But yeah, I'm interested to see how this shakes out over the fall as more people get access 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     I haven't spent a ton of time using the Apple weather app because I just don't need it. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     like looking at it right now like it seems pretty comparable to to carrot 
     
     
  
 
 
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     weather and in carrot weather I use dark sky so I would expect there's at least 
     
     
  
 
 
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     some kind of data sharing going on there I think even if it was super bad I don't 
     
     
  
 
 
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     think it would be as much of an issue as Apple Maps was like I would say that the 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Apple or like the Maps app on the phone is much more 
     
     
  
 
 
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     important than a weather app, you know, just the situations that it can find you in and like the bad things it can drop you into 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     like if you're being directed to the wrong place if you get yourself into a dangerous situation because the turn-by-turn is not good enough if 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Like you lose where you are in the street because you know getting good street like it's very different to like 
     
     
  
 
 
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     yeah, it's 25 degrees today rather than 20 degrees or like 
     
     
  
 
 
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     like, it's raining now and I didn't know it was going to rain. You know, like those things 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I don't think are as important, but hey, we'll see. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Yeah, I think that's all fair. I do think the weather app is a lot nicer in iOS 16. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Like I'm not going to be switching away from Carrotweather. It has a lot of features that 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I really like, but it is way nicer and bringing a lot of information that people just didn't 
     
     
  
 
 
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     have access to before if they were just using the stock app. I also really liked the weather 
     
     
  
 
 
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     wallpapers they have and it's one that I wish I could set just the home screen to the weather 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and use my own lock screen but Apple doesn't let you do that. The weather ones are married 
     
     
  
 
 
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     together. But I would totally use like the weather wallpaper just behind my home screen 
     
     
  
 
 
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     all the time. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Oh you can use that as a home screen thing. I had only, I just assumed it was lock screen 
     
     
  
 
 
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     only. I hadn't tried that. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     You can't use it independently just on the home screen. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It's lock screen or both. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     That's very strange isn't it? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Yeah because I think it'd be cool to have that behind your icons all the time. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Especially when it's like stormy and stuff it's very exciting. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Yeah I haven't played around with that yet but I'm just looking now like when they changed 
     
     
  
 
 
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     it but I don't know it doesn't look like it. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     That's one of the options. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     No just like you choose photos which is strange. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Zach points out that we are 10 years from the launch of Apple Maps. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     That makes me feel old. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Because we talked about it on the prompt, I'm sure. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
 
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     10 years ago? 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     No, we started the prompt nine years ago. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Yeah, I was going to say that doesn't feel right. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - Yeah. - That kind of timeframe. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - Yeah, the prompt was June 19th, 2013. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     - And that was, yeah, 'cause we launched 
     
     
  
 
 
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     the summer of iOS 7, 'cause a lot of those early shows, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     we talked about iOS 7 a lot. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - Yeah, man, summer of iOS 7, that was a good time. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     - Unless you put it on your carry phone. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - No, it was a great time, it was a great time. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - It was, it was fun. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Remember how thin that text was? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It was unusable. (laughing) 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - It was great. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     (speaking in foreign language) 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - Yeah, ultra, ultra, ultra light. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     - It's like if a hair, you know, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     like fell on your phone screen, like is that a letter? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Is that a hair? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - Johnny knew what he was doing. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     We just couldn't appreciate his brilliance. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - It's true. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And now he's gone. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - Now he's gone. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - I wanna update you on some sleep tracking stuff. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     - We spoke about this a couple of weeks ago 
     
     
  
 
 
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     about Apple's built-in sleep tracking 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and sort of all the other features they tie to it, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     like bedtime and wind down and all those things. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And we talked about using the watch for sleep tracking 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and for the last two weeks I've been doing it. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So since we talked about this, I was like, you know what, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I'm gonna make a real run at tracking with the watch. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I'm doing the thing where I charge the watch every morning 
     
     
  
 
 
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     as I like get a shower and like get ready 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and then charge it for a little while at night, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     usually about dinner time. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And that's been no problem. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Like I've got the Series 7, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     the battery life is totally good enough 
     
     
  
 
 
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     with just like a little bit of charging, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     you're good to go. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And I don't even have it plugged into something 
     
     
  
 
 
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     that can fast charge it. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     You know, the current watches can fast charge 
     
     
  
 
 
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     with a larger power brick. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I forget the exact details, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     but mine is just plugged into like a multi USB thing 
     
     
  
 
 
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     that has been plugged into forever behind my bed. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And that's totally been fine. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I've not had any days where I've all of a sudden 
     
     
  
 
 
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     like 4 p.m. hit the low battery thing, right? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So I've been able to manage that really well. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     But I decided to give Apple's sleep tracking a shot. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Now I am using Iowa 16 and watch OS 9, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     so some of these details may be a little bit different 
     
     
  
 
 
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     in the public releases, I'm just not sure, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     because I didn't really use them a lot, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     or at all really, previously to this. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So if some of this is a little bit different on your phone, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     it may just be because I'm on the beta. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     But I've been able to set Apple sleep tracking up 
     
     
  
 
 
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     in a way that doesn't drive me bananas. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And there are actually some real upsides 
     
     
  
 
 
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     to using their system. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So at first you have the schedule. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And I know that for you and Federico in particular, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     probably him more so than you, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     that's just kind of like a problematic thing 
     
     
  
 
 
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     because of your schedules and where you work 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and where you live and all those things. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     But for me, I've been able to basically set two schedules, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     one for the weekday, and then one for the weekend. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And so during the week, every day is basically the same, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     especially now that school's back in, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I'm getting up, getting kids to school, all that stuff. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And then all weekends, I don't wanna sleep late usually, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and so I can, I still have a schedule set for that. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     What is nice about these schedules 
     
     
  
 
 
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     is you can customize basically how it works. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And so if you're in the alarm tab of the clock app, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     it shows up there and you can tell it basically change the next time the phone is going to 
     
     
  
 
 
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     wake you up. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And so say that it's Friday evening and I want to sleep in Saturday past my weekend 
     
     
  
 
 
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     alarm, I can change that wake up just for the next day. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Now you do adjust that little wheel, right? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Yeah, the UI is strange. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Yeah, Adina does all of this. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     She listened to the show and she's like, "Look, I do all of this." 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And I'm like, I know, but like, I know who I am as a person. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And I, for me to feel comfortable 
     
     
  
 
 
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     that I'm going to wake up the next day, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:10:44
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     I have to set seven alarms. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:10:46
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     - Yeah, so I do still have like a backup alarm 
     
     
  
 
 
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     like three minutes later. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And I've always done that. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I've always had like two alarms back to back, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:10:53
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     but it's not as intrusive as it seems 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:10:56
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     because you have options to turn off wind down 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and the sleep reminders. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:11:04
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     And those were things that sort of the nagging of it always bothered me. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:11:08
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     I never cared for the wind down and it can do a bunch of different things. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Like I think wind down can like set your, like the screen 
     
     
  
 
 
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     brightness and some other stuff. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:11:16
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     I actually do use those features. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Interesting. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:11:19
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     So, cause you don't need to have an alarm in the morning for that. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:11:21
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     I have the wind down stuff all set up now on a sleep focus, the kind of thing. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:11:27
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     And it like, it does this weird thing with the color of your screen. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:11:29
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     Like notification center goes really weird, almost like negative looking. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:11:33
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     It's, it's very interesting. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Mm-hmm, so I'm not using 
     
     
  
 
 
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     wind down for anything 
     
     
  
 
 
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     But I am using a custom 
     
     
  
 
 
 
 
	 00:11:47
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     My sleep mode my sleep focus. So I have sleep focus turned on now 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:11:50
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     It's tied to the sleep thing in health, which is really weird. Like I feel like sleep because it 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:11:55
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     It traverses these different features, right? It's a focus mode. It's also in health. Like it's just kind of we're heading it up 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:12:05
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     It's a focus mode. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:12:06
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     It's a health app. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:12:07
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     - Are you getting it? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:12:09
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     - You know, it's an alarm system. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:12:12
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     This isn't just one. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:12:13
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     - Yeah, so I really just changed the lock screen 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:12:15
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     to have some more like nighttime based things. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:12:19
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     So like sunrise, the next alarm set, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:12:22
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     Apple watch battery level, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:12:25
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     just in case I messed up charging and I should-- 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:12:28
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     ►  
     - Well, that's interesting. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:12:29
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     - And I should say, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:12:31
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     ►  
     backing up to the battery thing for a second, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:12:34
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     you can set an option to have notifications 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:12:37
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     about battery charging, so it will remind you 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:12:39
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     if you haven't charged it before bed 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:12:41
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     and it thinks it's gonna not make it. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:12:43
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     ►  
     And if it's on charging, it will tell you 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:12:46
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     when the watch reaches 100%, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:12:48
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     so you could grab it off the nightstand. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:12:50
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     You know, maybe you still got a stand ring 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:12:51
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     or something to close, so that's all pretty nice. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:12:54
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     ►  
     So all in all, this actually has worked for me 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:12:57
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     a lot better than I thought it would. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:13:00
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     ►  
     I still think the setup is really too fiddly 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:13:02
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     ►  
     and there's kind of like a lot of stuff going on. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:13:04
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     ►  
     But if you spend some time dialing back the options 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:13:07
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     exactly the way you want them, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:13:09
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     ►  
     you can, I think you can get this to a pretty usable state. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:13:12
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     ►  
     Now, if I'm out and about late past the bedtime I've set, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:13:17
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     ►  
     then yeah, my phone's gonna go into the sleep focus mode, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:13:21
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     ►  
     but it would do that if that was set on a schedule anyways. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:13:23
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     ►  
     And it's very easy to undo that and say, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:13:25
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     "No, no, I'm not in bed yet." 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:13:28
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     ►  
     And I'm using sleep plus plus as a third party app 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:13:31
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     ►  
     by our friend Underscore to look at all the data. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:13:34
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     ►  
     It's on the health app too. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:13:35
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     ►  
     I tried auto sleep and auto sleep is beautiful, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:13:38
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     but ultimately overwhelming to me. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:13:40
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     It's like, I don't need this fine grained of information. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:13:44
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     ►  
     I kind of just want to know like, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:13:46
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     ►  
     okay, what time was I in bed? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:13:48
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     What percentage of that was I awake or deep sleep, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:13:50
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     ►  
     that sort of thing. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:13:51
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     And again, auto sleep is really nice 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:13:54
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     ►  
     and you should definitely check it out 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:13:56
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     if you're looking into this. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:13:57
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     But for me, Sleep++ being much simpler worked better for me. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:14:01
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     ►  
     And so I've been doing this for a couple of weeks and I don't know if I've like 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:14:06
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     ►  
     really learned anything except that I actually, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:14:09
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     ►  
     I think I sleep a little better than I thought I did. Maybe it's, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:14:12
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     it's interesting day to have, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:14:14
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     ►  
     and it's been interesting to set it up and see how it all works together on iOS 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:14:18
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     So I haven't done this underscore developer of Sleep++. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:14:21
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     He said that strangely, sleep++, he should call it that, sleep++. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:14:27
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     he texted me and said, "You just got to do it." 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:14:28
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     ►  
     And I was like, "Ah." 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:14:30
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     ►  
     My issue, here's the thing I can't get over. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:14:32
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     ►  
     I don't want to sleep my watch on. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:14:33
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     ►  
     I don't want to do it. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:14:35
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     I need to get over it. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:14:36
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     I think it's too hot in the UK right now. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:14:38
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     ►  
     And so like, I don't want to sleep. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:14:40
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     Maybe once it cools down a bit over here, I might try it. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:14:44
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     But right now the idea of wearing my watch to sleep, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:14:46
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     just, I don't like the thought of that at all. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:14:49
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     - That's taking some getting used to. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:14:51
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     And I'm using the Sport, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:14:53
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     whatever the one with the Velcro in it is. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:14:55
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     I forget all their names, Sport Loop. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:14:56
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     - Sport loop. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:14:57
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     - Sport loop and changing out the watch band 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:15:00
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     is kind of annoying doing it twice a day. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:15:02
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     So I've just been wearing the sport loop just all the time. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:15:05
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     ►  
     And it's fine. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:15:05
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     It gets very sweaty if you work out in it, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:15:07
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     ►  
     but that is pretty comfortable to sleep in. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:15:10
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     ►  
     I wouldn't want to sleep in something more, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:15:13
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     I guess more rigid, like some of the rubbery ones, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:15:16
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     but that definitely takes some getting used to. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:15:18
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     And the first couple of nights I was very aware of it. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:15:20
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     Like anytime I turned over, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:15:22
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     I felt like I had this huge weight on my wrist. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:15:23
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     Like, oh, let me bring my watch over here. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:15:26
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     But even in a couple of weeks that's faded. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:15:28
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     - I need to, but at the moment I'm trying to also 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:15:30
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     get used to falling asleep with AirPods in. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:15:32
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     So like, you know, I'm doing that. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:15:33
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     By the way, on that I'm using original AirPods, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:15:37
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     not AirPods Pro, just sleep in. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:15:40
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     - Because it's more comfortable. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:15:41
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     And also like, I know this could be an issue. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:15:45
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     Like having earphones that go in your ears 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:15:48
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     is not good for like really long time periods. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:15:51
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     So I've gone with the original AirPods 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:15:53
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     'cause they also fall out when I actually fall asleep, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:15:56
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     right, like I like move my head or whatever 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:15:58
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     when I'm sleeping. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:15:58
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     I always wake up and they're just like in the bed, you know? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:16:02
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     But it's, we had like a pair of AirPods 2 in the house 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:16:05
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     that no one was using, so I've now taken those 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:16:07
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     and they are now my sleeping headphone. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:16:09
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     - Do you have trouble like finding them the next morning? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:16:13
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     Do they get lost? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:16:14
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     - They're usually just around, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:16:15
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     they're usually like underneath me somewhere 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:16:18
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     and it works fine. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:16:19
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     - I was going to suggest you could like tie a little thing 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:16:21
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     between them and then I realized that's a terrible idea. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:16:24
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     - That's a quick way to choke yourself, you know? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:16:27
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     I was thinking that maybe I wanted to get the new AirPods 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:16:30
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     because the problem with the original AirPods 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:16:32
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     is the stem is really large and it presses on my ear. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:16:35
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     So I'm thinking maybe I want just the newer ones. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:16:37
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     They're the ones you use? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:16:38
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     No, you use AirPods too, right? 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:16:41
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     - With the big silly looking ones now to me. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:16:43
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     - Yeah, they stick out like a mile. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:16:45
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     - They look ridiculous now because they look like, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:16:48
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     I looked like I could hold them in my fist. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:16:51
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     That's kind of how it feels to me. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:16:54
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     - Wolverine for AirPods. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:16:56
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     - Okay, well I'm happy to see, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:16:58
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     am I happy to hear that sleep tracking is good for you? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:17:00
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     I don't know, 'cause that makes me feel like I gotta do it. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:17:03
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     - I think you should at some point, but I mean, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:17:04
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     you should, the wearing the watch is a big thing. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:17:08
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     And so if that's gonna be uncomfortable, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:17:10
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     wait till it cools down. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:17:11
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     - I'll try it. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:17:12
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     - This episode of Connected is brought to you 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:17:15
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	 00:17:16
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	 00:17:48
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     ►  
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	 00:17:56
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     how do you make knowledge accessible to those who need it? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:17:58
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     I wanna go back in time a little bit. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - Okay. - To 2010, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     the iPad is new, it's announced, maybe you got one, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     but you need to do some real work on it, you know. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     You don't wanna be consuming content, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     you'll be making content. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And Apple has just the accessory for you, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     a $69 nice keyboard dock accessory for the iPad. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     You remember this thing? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - Of course I remember it. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - So I bought one for reasons, for the calendar. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     And I sent you a photo of it and you were like, yeah, I had one and I had totally forgotten 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     I forgot that it existed and I forgot that you owned one. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So will you give us a, you know, a 12 years in review of the keyboard dock? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Do you think I still have it? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I mean, no, but you know, you could give, give us the reason you got it maybe. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     So let's just roll back in time. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I mean, there are a couple of reasons. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I mean the main reason I got it was because I wanted all the accessories for my iPad, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     you know what I mean? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Like I was just excited about the iPad and I wanted accessories for it. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     In the same way that I nearly bought the, when I got my original iPhone, I nearly bought 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I think it was bad. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And the only reason I didn't buy it was because Carphone Warehouse's system went down and 
     
     
  
 
 
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     they were only taking, they couldn't take card payments because too many people were 
     
     
  
 
 
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     trying to buy phones at the same time and it was the first time that had ever happened 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and they weren't prepared for that and so I had to pay cash and I could only get out 
     
     
  
 
 
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     enough cash from the ATM machine to pay for the iPhone. So I didn't get the hands-free 
     
     
  
 
 
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     set but I did get the keyboard dock and for me it was just like well this seems like a 
     
     
  
 
 
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     good idea right like this is the perfect like screen to write on you know maybe I think 
     
     
  
 
 
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     back then I fancied that I could maybe be an Apple blogger you know I tried that a few 
     
     
  
 
 
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     times. So I was like well this is the perfect minimal writing machine you know 
     
     
  
 
 
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     that's what cool kids wanted, they wanted minimal writing machines you know 
     
     
  
 
 
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     distraction free writing environments all that kind of all those kind of 
     
     
  
 
 
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     buzzwords and I thought I need one of those and so I bought the keyboard dock 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and what I ended up actually using it for and then I later on kept this going 
     
     
  
 
 
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     with other products. So like as I moved to probably some form of lightning based iPad 
     
     
  
 
 
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     as well, I would get like a magic keyboard and put it in front and have a little stand 
     
     
  
 
 
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     as I used to use this for my podcast notes back in the day. So I would be recording on 
     
     
  
 
 
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     a Mac and I never wanted to touch the Mac in case I somehow messed up something with 
     
     
  
 
 
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     the recording. And I was also I think at that time using an 11 inch MacBook Air so I was 
     
     
  
 
 
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     terrified of that machine being able to cope with anything I was trying to throw at it 
     
     
  
 
 
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     at that time. So I would take all of my notes in Markdown in some app of some description 
     
     
  
 
 
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     using a keyboard attached to an iPad and so I would just be taking my notes and they would 
     
     
  
 
 
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     just be copy and pasted into a Squarespace field and that was good to go, you know? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Yeah, I never used one in the time period, I don't think. I mean, I had an original iPad 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and I used it with, you know, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     like Apple's Bluetooth keyboard at the time. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Eventually when our friends, Tom and Dan, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     they had their foldy iPad keyboard thing. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Used one of those for a long time. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Apple's got a wider range of them. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And I used some third-party keyboards over the years too, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     but it's been kind of fun to have this thing around. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And like you put your iPad in it, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     The iPad is in portrait mode because the 30-pin dock connector was on the short side like 
     
     
  
 
 
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     the lightning or USB-C port is now. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It also makes sense for what it's to be used for. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And Apple, with that original iPad, launched iWork for the iPad. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And so you had pages and keynote and numbers, and they were like 10 bucks apiece, I think. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     type away. So it's kind of been fun to have one around this week and I mean it 
     
     
  
 
 
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     is literally just a keyboard with like a piece of plastic on it. It's very funny 
     
     
  
 
 
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     like it's how simple it is but I think a lot of people probably got a lot of 
     
     
  
 
 
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     typing done on that thing. It's kind of funny really I was gonna 
     
     
  
 
 
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     ask do you have an iPad that this works on and then realized who I'm asking? Yeah 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I got a couple original iPads. They are heavy and thick. So have you actually 
     
     
  
 
 
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     been doing a bunch of writing one of these things? I wish yeah I should I 
     
     
  
 
 
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     should have it up to the side you know for my for my notes. Man so you had an 11 
     
     
  
 
 
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     inch MacBook Air and this this would have been bigger on the desk that little 
     
     
  
 
 
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     laptop. Probably. I love it. The original iPad. Yeah. Yeah. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     of its weird back curved sides. I'm gonna just do it again because I can't stop. I'm 
     
     
  
 
 
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     nearly done with the After Steve book so I'm not gonna have any more stories to 
     
     
  
 
 
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     tell from it. But one of the things that was interesting in 2015, apparently 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Apple's design team completely redesigned the iPad but it was deemed 
     
     
  
 
 
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     too expensive and so the design was shelved right? Like this is one of the 
     
     
  
 
 
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     things that I spoke about and I've been fascinated to try and understand what 
     
     
  
 
 
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     that iPad was. I wonder if it was the flat side we got three years later. The 
     
     
  
 
 
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     way that is told in the book seems to suggest that it was a design that never 
     
     
  
 
 
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     came because it talks about making the iPad like significantly lighter. Hmm. I 
     
     
  
 
 
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     wonder if they were they were gonna make it out of a different material. Maybe. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Maybe we're about to find out. Maybe in October. Well because they haven't they 
     
     
  
 
 
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     haven't redesigned that iPad right? Yeah the original. It's still the original 
     
     
  
 
 
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     iPad is still still it's still doing its thing. Yeah, it's very much like the that 
     
     
  
 
 
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     the current design of like the regular not no adjective iPad is basically the 
     
     
  
 
 
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     iPad Air. It's that sort of feel. That's that was a long time ago. I mean, the 
     
     
  
 
 
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     iPad Air was what 2013 or 14 sometime in there. It's been a minute. We should talk 
     
     
  
 
 
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     about iOS 16 beta five. This dropped on Monday, which was fine. I was I was 
     
     
  
 
 
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     expecting beta five this week, but I kind of thought, Oh, it'll 
     
     
  
 
 
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     be Tuesday or Wednesday. And then I pick up my phone on a 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Monday. And there's a text from john is like, hey, beta five is 
     
     
  
 
 
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     out. It's like, wait, what? It's Monday, the big change here on 
     
     
  
 
 
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     the iPhone, at least is you can now put the battery percentage, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     make that visible all the time on a phone with face ID. So with 
     
     
  
 
 
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     the iPhone 10, get the battery indicator on the right hand 
     
     
  
 
 
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     side, but the percentage was only available when you swipe 
     
     
  
 
 
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     down into control center and it's been that way ever since. And back in the day, I had 
     
     
  
 
 
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     the battery percentage, but with the iPhone 10 and later, I got used to not having it. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     But now you can turn it back on. And there's a couple of interesting design decisions, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I think the numbers are pretty big within the little glyph of the battery. And the background 
     
     
  
 
 
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     stays as if the battery were perfectly fully charged. When you go to low power mode, it 
     
     
  
 
 
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     turns yellow and then if you're 10% or below it turns red which is 10% it 
     
     
  
 
 
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     doesn't go at 20 isn't 20% the low battery warning no but if you don't have 
     
     
  
 
 
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     low power mode on oh and maybe 10% yeah yes low power mode makes it yellow sorry 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I misspoke so it's 20 at 20% it will go red unless you turn on your low power 
     
     
  
 
 
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     mode? I think so. That would be consistent with how it is now and 
     
     
  
 
 
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     there's what people are now telling us in the discord. I think the design is fine. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     There were a couple of things on Twitter floating around, we'll have them 
     
     
  
 
 
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     in the show notes, of people who sort of designed it thinking, you know, redesigned 
     
     
  
 
 
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     it thinking that oh it should also show like the battery, the range, you know, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     the fill of the battery should actually get smaller as the number goes 
     
     
  
 
 
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     down but I feel like the number does that for you and it is most legible with a solid 
     
     
  
 
 
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     background so I guess they didn't think they needed to do that but I thought it was interesting 
     
     
  
 
 
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     that people responded so strongly to this design. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I have not seen a concept that I thought looked better than what Apple's come up with and 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I'm not one to usually say this kind of stuff because I think it can be a bit tiresome but 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I think this is one of those situations where they thought through every option and they've 
     
     
  
 
 
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     given the one that is the clearest, most legible. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I can't imagine Apple's software design team were like, "Hey, we did this in one!" 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Like our first idea here was the perfect one, let's not change it! 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I imagine that they went through all of these, like what would it be like if it changed color? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     what would it be like if it was going the whole way down? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Like all these kinds of, and like the whole, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     no, I just think it's like, they just did it this way. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     'Cause I also think for Apple, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     they've been pretty clear, I think, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     with the way that the battery stuff has worked 
     
     
  
 
 
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     for the last few years. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Like 20 to 80, it's just whatever. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     When it gets to 20, you're in a problem. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And like, that's how they're showing it to you right now. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So like when it gets down low, that's when it should, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     when you're below 20, that's when it gets the little sliver. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I think the rest of the time, it's just like whatever, just show me the number. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Like I don't need to see an accurate percentage fill of the battery. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And like I don't, there is no utility in that at all for me. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Like the number, as you said, the number shows the thing. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And it starts to become messy. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Like for a big chunk of the time, you would have like half of the number 
     
     
  
 
 
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     or a part of the number is a different color 
     
     
  
 
 
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     to the other part of the number, right? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - I think that'd be really distracting, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     but having that change all the time. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - And so I think this is just the best option 
     
     
  
 
 
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     because they change the graphic when you go below 20, right? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And they show it as the little sliver, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     but because then it's gone past the number. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     - Right, so like if you had it like anywhere from like 80% 
     
     
  
 
 
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     all the way down to 20%, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     there's just going to be a gradient 
     
     
  
 
 
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     of like what part of the number is in a different, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     no, no, no, this is cleaner. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I think they went with the right option here. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - Yeah, I do too. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     What do you think overall about the return of this? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I mean, did you use it in the pre-Face ID phones? 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     - And are you using it now in the beta? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - Yeah, I mean, it turned on on its own. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - Yeah, it did, which I thought was interesting. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - And I've just left it on. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I mean it's fine like now I have the percentage because I would quite frequently want to check 
     
     
  
 
 
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     the percentage of my battery so I pull down from control center and now I don't need to 
     
     
  
 
 
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     do that. I think there's a reason they've decided to do it now but I'm not sure what 
     
     
  
 
 
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     that reason is. I expect it's related to the iPhone 14 Pro but I don't know how right like 
     
     
  
 
 
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     is this something to do with the always on display or is this something to do with the 
     
     
  
 
 
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     noxious phone design like I think it's one of those things like I don't think this is 
     
     
  
 
 
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     they just like all of a sudden someone's like oh my gosh we forgot to put the 
     
     
  
 
 
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     percentage the whole time like years we forgot to put the percentage there right 
     
     
  
 
 
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     like 2017 or whatever exactly and it's not like there's been a crusade over the 
     
     
  
 
 
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     last six months to bring this back like people have wanted this for ages and 
     
     
  
 
 
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     people were really upset when it went away and I feel like I haven't heard 
     
     
  
 
 
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     anybody talk about this in a long time so I expect it's related to the iPhone 
     
     
  
 
 
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     14 Pro which is supposed to get both of those features but I'm just not sure how yet. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I've got it on for now. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Casey tweeted something really interesting that it just adds stress and like I get that 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and I think actually he's like mostly right. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I don't know if I'll keep it on forever. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Right now I have it on because again just my experience in the betas has been is the 
     
     
  
 
 
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     battery life's pretty bad still and I find myself keeping a closer eye on my phone battery 
     
     
  
 
 
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     this summer than I have in a long time and so I've got it on for now we'll see 
     
     
  
 
 
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     if it if it stays on long term. I don't believe this but if Casey was here on 
     
     
  
 
 
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     this show with me right now the thing that I would do because I like to make 
     
     
  
 
 
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     fun of Casey likes him to poke fun at me I like poke fun at Casey right what I 
     
     
  
 
 
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     would say is buddy if that's one of the biggest stresses in your life I want 
     
     
  
 
 
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     your life. Yeah yeah that's true. Like all the things in my life that I could get 
     
     
  
 
 
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     stressed about seeing the number of the percentage of my battery is not one of 
     
     
  
 
 
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     them yeah but I do understand where he's coming from of like if this is something 
     
     
  
 
 
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     that you see like oh man I need to charge your phone like you most like 90 
     
     
  
 
 
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     percent of the time you actually don't need to charge your phone like your 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:32:30
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     phone's gonna be fine like like you you can get these phones to such big 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:32:35
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     batteries now you're probably good but like I do wonder like so if you don't 
     
     
  
 
 
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     see the percentage do you just never stress about your battery life like I 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I don't know which one is the right way around. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     But I will say, if you look at a number and you're like, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     oh man, I need to charge my phone, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     you should probably turn the feature off 
     
     
  
 
 
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     'cause you are thinking about it too much. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:32:54
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     For me now, it's just like, honestly, I look at my phone. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:32:57
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     For me, I'm getting the pleasure of like, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:32:59
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     man, the battery life on this phone is good 
     
     
  
 
 
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     'cause I just, at the end, I come to the end of the day 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:33:03
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     and I'm still in double digit percentage numbers. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:33:06
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     I'm like, yeah. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:33:07
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     - He did put hot take with fire emoji, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     so take that with a grain of salt, I guess. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:33:11
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     - And he also turned off replies. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:33:13
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     I was actually pretty proud of him in this moment, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:33:16
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     but Casey turned replies off to that tweet. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:33:18
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     I was like, he's learning, you know? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:33:21
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     - This option is not available on the mini phones, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:33:24
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     I guess because of the size that it takes up. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:33:27
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     - That's 'cause the battery's so bad. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     (both laughing) 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:33:30
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     They don't want people knowing. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     'Cause you just, you turn the screen on of an iPhone mini 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:33:34
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     and you just watch it start ticking down. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:33:36
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     - Maybe, maybe. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:33:37
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     One feature I really am glad they've added 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:33:42
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     is a copy and delete option when dealing with screenshots. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:33:47
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     So we've all done this a thousand times, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     take a screenshot on your phone. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     You don't wanna save it, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:33:53
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     you're gonna copy it out to iMessage or something. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:33:57
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     And there's a share sheet option in that screenshot UI, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:34:02
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     but very often I would just copy it 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:34:06
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     'cause it's just quicker to go into Discord or Slack 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:34:08
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     or wherever and paste it in. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:34:10
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     but now there's an option for copy and delete. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:34:13
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     So it puts it on your clipboard, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:34:15
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     but it does not save the screenshot to photos. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:34:18
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     And this like perfectly fits 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:34:20
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     with the way that I use this feature. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:34:22
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     I'm sure Apple, when they designed it, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:34:24
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     it was, oh, people just use the share sheet, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:34:26
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     but then I got a bunch of screenshots to contend with. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:34:28
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     This is so good and my hat is off to whoever got it in here. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:34:33
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     - Yep, this is exactly one of those things 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:34:35
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     where this is just, this feature is made by somebody 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:34:39
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     who uses this feature, right? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:34:41
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     This is exactly what this tells you. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:34:44
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     If you're looking for this, by the way, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:34:45
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     'cause I was confused, it's under the Done button. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:34:48
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     So you take the screenshot, you press Done, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:34:51
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     and then you get save to photos, save to quick notes, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:34:54
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     save to files, copy and delete, delete screenshot. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:34:56
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     So you gotta copy and delete, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:34:58
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     and then it immediately puts it on your clipboard 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:35:00
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     and then just deletes, and then also, therefore, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:35:02
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     gets rid of the thing, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:35:06
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     like the UI. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:35:09
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     So that's why for me, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:35:10
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     even if I was gonna put it in the share sheet, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:35:12
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     this is faster 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:35:13
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     'cause then I still have to press done and then delete 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:35:16
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     or like press the trashcan or whatever. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:35:19
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     So this is actually quicker. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:35:20
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     'Cause most of the time for me, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:35:22
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     if I'm sending somebody a screenshot, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:35:25
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     I also then have something to tell them. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:35:27
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     So like, and if I'm putting it in Slack, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:35:28
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     for me like Slack's whole thing is not awesome. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:35:31
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     What do you call it? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:35:34
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     The share sheet thing. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:35:35
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     So I would prefer to take a screenshot, copy it, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:35:38
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     and now do the copy and delete, then paste it into Slack, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:35:41
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     add my text and send it all in once, right? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:35:43
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     So that feels like good Slack etiquette 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:35:46
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     rather than like sending a screenshot 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:35:48
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     and then following up with the text. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:35:50
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     So like somebody gets the notification, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:35:51
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     they open it, it's just a screenshot. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:35:53
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     It's like, "Oh God, what's wrong with this?" 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:35:55
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     - You know, Steven is typing. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:35:56
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     So I don't know what to do now, you know what I mean? 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:35:59
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     - Yeah, I think I've said this before. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:36:01
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     Steven is very bad with this, you know, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:36:05
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     like when people say like, "Hey, I need to talk to you." 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:36:07
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     Or, "Hi, I've got something to say." 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:36:09
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     Steven does this, he's one of those people. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:36:11
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     He's like, "Hi, I need to tell you something, send." 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:36:14
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     And then starts writing the rest of it, not good. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:36:17
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     That's toxic, that's your toxic trait, right? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:36:20
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     That's your toxic trait, is that. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:36:23
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     - I was listening to the waveform podcast this weekend. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:36:26
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     - Yeah, this is what made me think of it. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:36:27
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     - Marquez was like, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:36:28
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     "I use different calendar and task apps sometimes." 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:36:31
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     It's like, dude, that's not a toxic trait, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:36:32
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     that's just being a nerd. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:36:34
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     - Yeah, he-- 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:36:34
     ◼ 
      
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     - And he talked about remember the milk, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:36:36
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     which made me happy. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:36:37
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     - Oh my God. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:36:38
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     ►  
     Yeah, see, where he was coming from was good initially, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:36:42
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     right, which is the idea of people who set alarms as tasks. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:36:48
     ◼ 
      
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     - Right, that's the toxic trait. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:36:49
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     ►  
     - That's my mother-in-law. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:36:50
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     - Using different apps is not a toxic trait at all. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:36:54
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     Well, maybe it is, but I do it too, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:36:56
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     ►  
     so I'm gonna say it isn't. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:36:58
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     ►  
     - Yeah, but yeah, using alarms as tasks management 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:37:03
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     is an abomination. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:37:05
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     - Yeah, using Dew as a task manager is bad enough. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:37:11
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     ►  
     Alarms is another step further. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:37:13
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     - Yeah, I'm not using Dew. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:37:14
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     ►  
     I've got my medications in the health app. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:37:17
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     - I use Dew for a bunch of things, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:37:18
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     ►  
     but I don't use it as like task management. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:37:21
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     ►  
     It's like simple reminders. - Right, it's like, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:37:22
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     take out the trash or pay the light bill. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:37:26
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     ►  
     That's a task. - Yeah, exactly. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:37:28
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     ►  
     I'm not like, prepare for connected, is it? 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:37:33
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     - I am also by the way here again, burning Casey. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:37:37
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     - Wait, does he use do as his task manager? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:37:39
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     - Oh yeah, yeah. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:37:40
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     - Yeah, but I mean like, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:37:41
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     ►  
     he doesn't have as much going on as we do. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:37:43
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     - I mean, what, he's got like, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:37:44
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     ►  
     he's got a do thing that says worry about your battery. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:37:47
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     ►  
     You know what I mean? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:37:48
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     ►  
     That's as much as he's got going on. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:37:50
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     - Think about running ethernet in my house. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:37:53
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     Watch the car. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:37:54
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     - Check the garage door. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:37:56
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     - Check the garage door, yeah, that's right. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:37:57
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     - You know, all the big Casey tasks. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:38:00
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     ►  
     hug my, hug my, uh, Synology. Be one of the best human beings on the planet, you know, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:38:05
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     like all the typical Casey Tucks. I do love him. So do I. I also love to make fun of him. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:38:10
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     ►  
     Yeah. You know? That's true love, I feel like. Mm-hmm. Can we talk about this playing live 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:38:15
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     ►  
     visualizer business on the-- Yes, amazing. --block screen? Is it? Oh, I love it. Oh, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:38:19
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     ►  
     it's so good. It's so useless. But that's why it's so good. Come on. Don't you remember 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:38:23
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     Good Apple, Whimsical Apple? Come on. Okay, so can you explain what this is for people? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:38:28
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     ►  
     In the now playing live activity, because it's a live activity now, the now playing 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:38:33
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     screen, in the top right hand corner, there's now just a little visualiser which is live 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:38:40
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     and accurate-ish to the audio that's playing. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:38:45
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     Why not have it there? 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:38:47
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     What I actually do think there is utility to it, which is it shows you some audio is 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:38:51
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     playing which I tell you where that's useful. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:38:54
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     You've got your AirPods in and it hasn't connected. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:38:57
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     Yeah, and you can now see that there's audio playing somewhere, but maybe it's not where you want it to be. I like it 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:39:04
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     ►  
     I just think it's nice 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:39:06
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     ►  
     It could be useful maybe but I just like the way it looks it's I think it's like a fun little thing to have 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:39:10
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     ►  
     I'm not sure that it's worth the space. What else is gonna be there? Nothing else is there? Yeah, that's fine 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:39:16
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     ►  
     We can have white space 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:39:17
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     But why when you can put a fun little feature though or you can make the text a little wider so you can see more 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:39:22
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     ►  
     of your song title 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:39:23
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     ►  
     Ah, who needs that? It'll scroll. You'll get it eventually. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:39:26
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     ►  
     Yeah. I do like on this lock screen now playing UI, in the bottom right you have like the AirPlay 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:39:34
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     option and if you connected to CarPlay, it shows the CarPlay icon. Like it is useful to see where 
     
     
  
 
 
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     audio is going. Yeah, the problem is the AirPods Pro SF symbol is weird looking. And that's what 
     
     
  
 
 
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     they replace it with and I believe it's an SF symbol. It looks very strange. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I mean, it's a good use for that. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It looks like Birdo from Mario 2. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     And I'm not the first person to say this, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     because I think people compared the AirPods Pro to Birdo initially. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     But this, the little symbol looks a lot like Birdo, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and it's very weird. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So that's what I had to say on the matter. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Talking about betas, we've got Beta 5. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     We're talking about iOS. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:40:19
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     How is the beta on the Mac? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Basically, mostly unchanged. Stage Manager is fine. It's not buggy like it is on the iPad. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Okay. Setting the Settings app is still garbage and weirdly broken and hard to use. But you know, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     compatibility wise, I haven't had any issues. I'm running it on my notebook and like it's it's been 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:40:39
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     fine. The battery life is fine. I do have this issue. I don't know what beta it is. I tend to 
     
     
  
 
 
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     blame Ventura, but I don't really have a reason for that. But like my Safari bookmarks get scrambled, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     like all out of order, it's like three times a day. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Like I'll be sitting on my working on my Mac studio, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     which is running Monterey, and all of a sudden 
     
     
  
 
 
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     my bookmark folders are in the wrong order. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And that's a little frustrating. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     But, you know, that's iCloud and beta. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Like if that's the worst that happens, honestly, I'm doing OK. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I am still very 
     
     
  
 
 
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     excited about using stage manager on the Mac. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I think it makes more sense on the Mac than the iPad, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     just because you have more space. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     You know, maybe that's different 
     
     
  
 
 
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     if you're using a 13 inch iPad Pro, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     but I don't, haven't had one of those in a long time. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:41:26
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     And I haven't used the beta on one of those. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:41:28
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     So using a beta on like a, you know, 11 inch, you know, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     iPad Pro or Air, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     the couple of times I've gotten to play with it, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     it just feels a bit cramped. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I don't know. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I'm not using it. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Like it doesn't really jive with the way that I work, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:41:40
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     but it's fine. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - I just like, I find myself like I'm using my Mac 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and I have so many apps open. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:41:47
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     And I'm like, I think I would like to have these in stage manager rather than 
     
     
  
 
 
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     having like six spaces. I don't want six spaces. I don't, I really, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I don't want to use spaces at all anymore now that stage manager is a thing that 
     
     
  
 
 
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     exists. So I'm excited about it. I am excited about it. 
     
     
  
 
 
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	 00:43:46
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     - 1Password 8 is now available for iOS. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:43:50
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     ►  
     - What did it eat? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:43:51
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     ►  
     - Actually nothing, which is kind of interesting. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:43:55
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     ►  
     What it didn't eat was 1Password 7. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:43:57
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     ►  
     - Oh, it's good. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:43:59
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     ►  
     I wasn't setting you up, but I'm glad you took it. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:44:01
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     ►  
     - Because 1Password 7 is still on the App Store. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:44:05
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     ►  
     1Password 8 is its own app. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:44:08
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     And I find that strange to start with. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:44:12
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     I haven't looked into this. I should have now. I just said it like, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:44:15
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     I don't know if they've said why they're doing this. I mean, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:44:18
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     I can imagine why because it's at a different direction and maybe they don't want 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:44:22
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     to deal with like people getting upset about a forced, uh, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:44:26
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     update, you know, like if it's all different, it looks different, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:44:30
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     but I don't know what their plan is for moving people over. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:44:37
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     ►  
     7 also still supports some syncing options that they're not using moving forward. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:44:44
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     ►  
     And so they did this on the Mac as well. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:44:47
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     8 is a separate SKU than 7 because some people are still using those older sync methods and 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:44:53
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     aren't ready to move. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:44:54
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     I mean, I expect at some point then there's going to be one password and one password, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:44:58
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     classic or something. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:44:59
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     Yeah, I don't know. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:45:00
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     I feel like they've got to drop the numbers at some point. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:45:02
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     I don't know why the numbers need to be there. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:45:04
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     - I think this is the best way to go about it, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:45:06
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     even if it means that the adoption 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:45:08
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     of the new version is slower. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:45:10
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     ►  
     I mean, 1Password 8 on the Mac in particular 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:45:14
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     came with a lot of conversation about it, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:45:19
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     being Electron and being so different. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:45:21
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     And I think they learned from that. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:45:23
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     And I'll say this, I mean, 1Password 8, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:45:27
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     ►  
     I was on the beta for a long time. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:45:29
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     The final version, there are some bugs in it 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:45:31
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     ►  
     in terms of layout and UI stuff, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:45:34
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     which we'll get to in a second, but overall, I really like it. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:45:38
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     And I really like on the phone. Yeah. Okay. It's fine. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:45:42
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     Sorry. I just wanted to check. I wasn't sure which one you mean. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:45:44
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     Yeah. Sorry. It's fine on the Mac, but on the phone, I really like it. Uh, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:45:47
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     ►  
     mainly for the customization. So yeah. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:45:50
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     On the sort of main screen of the app, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:45:53
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     ►  
     you can hide and add sections and you can rearrange them. So they have, uh, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:45:59
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     ►  
     some of those really cool called pinned fields. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:46:01
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     So it's just like the small UI at the top for anything you pin. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:46:06
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     You can pin like your Twitter password and just shows up as a little item at 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:46:10
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     ►  
     the top and you tap on it and copy it. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:46:13
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     Um, that's really cool. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:46:15
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     I would imagine if you have like a two factor authentication number, you need 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:46:19
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     ►  
     often or something, you know, but you can basically pin anything from any entry up 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:46:24
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     ►  
     there at the, uh, at the top, which is really cool. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:46:26
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     ►  
     And then you have, you know, favorites, which has been part of one password 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:46:29
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     ►  
     forever. But then you have some smart lists. So recently created, recently used, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:46:35
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     recently modified and frequently used. And I've got a couple of these turned on 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:46:41
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     because if very often I will change the password or a detail or create something 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:46:46
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     new, and then I'll need it on my phone. Like maybe I'm setting it up on the Mac 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:46:50
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     for some new app I'm trying and then I needed on the phone. Like having those 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:46:54
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     ►  
     there with quick access is actually pretty cool. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:46:58
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     And I think this customizable main screen, uh, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:47:02
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     is a great addition to this app. I'm really, I'm really digging that direction. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:47:06
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     The frequent recent thing is a smart, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:47:09
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     cause I set up a bunch of favorites once upon a time and then stopped needing 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:47:14
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     that or like the list changed and I was lazy and didn't change it. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:47:20
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     And so like the favorites part for me is kind of a bit like 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:47:23
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     old and busted, then there's just like a bunch of 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:47:25
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     incomplete stuff in here that I also don't really use 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:47:28
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     'cause I just tend to search for things. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:47:30
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     But this is just like a great way to surface stuff. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:47:32
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     I need you to tell me how I pin things. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:47:35
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     - Yeah, so like, you know, find a login or something 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:47:38
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     ►  
     and then you long press on some part of it. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:47:42
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     ►  
     - Pin to home. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:47:43
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     - So like, so I'm looking at like my Apple ID password 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:47:46
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     ►  
     and then there's a pin to home 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:47:48
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     ►  
     and then it will show up there. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:47:50
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     ►  
     Oh, so one-time passwords is where this is best. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:47:54
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     Because just pinning a password seems, I mean, I guess you could do it. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:47:59
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     ►  
     I'm going to think about what I'm on. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:48:01
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     ►  
     Yeah, if it's something you need often, but I think it's pretty, pretty clever. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:48:05
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     I wouldn't mind something like this on the Mac. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:48:07
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     ►  
     And you can set it where if you tap on the pinned item, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:48:10
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     it copies or you can set it where it shows it in large type. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:48:14
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     So say that you have a password, you enter manually a bunch, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:48:18
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     ►  
     you could have it on there and tap it to get it in large type 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:48:22
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     so you can type it on your other device. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:48:24
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     It's well thought through and it's all using Swift UI 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:48:28
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     and some of the visual weirdness I've seen, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:48:31
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     I think it's just because it's Swift UI. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:48:33
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     It's using Rust for the backend like they do 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:48:36
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     on the Mac and Windows and Android, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:48:38
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     but Swift UI is the UI choice. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:48:41
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     And I find that interesting 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:48:42
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     'cause the Mac, they went with Electron 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:48:44
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     and I don't know the reason why they split that. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:48:47
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     ►  
     It feels like those decisions were not made at the same time. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:48:51
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     I don't know that. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:48:52
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     I find that using SwiftUI for it is just really interesting, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:48:55
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     'cause it is a bit complicated app, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:48:57
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     and it does give it a nice modern look, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:49:00
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     but obviously different from where they went on the desktop. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:49:04
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     - Yeah, the thing that I am struck by, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:49:05
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     which is a surprise to me, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:49:06
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     is now the 1Password on the phone and the Mac 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:49:10
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     look more different than they have ever looked, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:49:12
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     which is, that was not what I was expecting. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:49:15
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     Like, now I'm surprised that there is functionality 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:49:20
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     in the iPhone version that's not in the Mac version. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:49:24
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     I mean, I guess there are some similarities, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:49:26
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     but they're also different, if that makes sense, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:49:28
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     which I find peculiar. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:49:31
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     That wasn't what I was expecting. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:49:33
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     Like, I can't customize all the stuff here 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:49:36
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     ►  
     on the Mac app, like a can on the phone, right? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:49:39
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     I don't got any of those features, which is odd. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:49:41
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     So yeah, I've noticed some buggy things. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:49:43
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     Like, we're talking about that customization field. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:49:45
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     ►  
     like when you go to the home screen and you customize 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:49:47
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     and there are like these little drag things, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:49:49
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     they work for me like the actual dragon works for me 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:49:52
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     like 10% of the time where I try and drag something 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:49:54
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     like most of the time it just doesn't end up 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:49:58
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     doing the dragging. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:49:59
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     What I will say though, this is the least Swift UI 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:50:02
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     looking Swift UI app that I've used. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:50:04
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     It just doesn't look like other apps 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:50:08
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     and I'm not saying that's good or bad. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:50:10
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     It's just, I feel like a lot of apps that I've used 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:50:13
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     in SwiftUI, I maybe would be able to tell, but this one not. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:50:18
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     And what that maybe tells me is I'm using loads of SwiftUI apps 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:50:21
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     and I don't even know about it. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:50:23
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     Because you can get-- 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:50:25
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     I think what it is is-- 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:50:27
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     one of SwiftUI's big benefits is that you can get up and going 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:50:31
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     pretty quickly. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:50:33
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     And so I think a lot of developers 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:50:35
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     ►  
     where maybe they just want to get up and going, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:50:37
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     ►  
     from a design perspective, they use a lot more system control. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:50:41
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     ►  
     and clearly you don't need to use a lot of system control. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:50:45
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     ►  
     So I guess similarly, actually now I'm saying it, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:50:47
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     WidgetSmith doesn't look like any other app 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:50:50
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     that I use either, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:50:51
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     ►  
     and I know that Dave's using SwiftUI for that, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:50:53
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     ►  
     so I guess there is stuff that you can do here 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:50:56
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     which isn't necessarily just using the out of the box stuff. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:51:01
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     ►  
     - I'm upset that they do not offer a dark mode icon. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:51:05
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     ►  
     - Oh no. - Just a silver icon. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:51:07
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     ►  
     I was using the dark icon and then I just have a silver icon 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:51:10
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     ►  
     and I would like a dark icon back, please. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:51:13
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     ►  
     'Cause now the icon on my home screen has changed 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:51:15
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     and I don't want that to happen. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:51:17
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     ►  
     But it's happened. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:51:18
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     ►  
     - Yeah, bring it back, 1Password. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:51:20
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     ►  
     - Yeah, I would say overall I'm happy with this. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:51:23
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     'Cause I would say for me, like, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:51:24
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     ►  
     the Mac app has been great. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:51:26
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     ►  
     Like 1Password 8 on the Mac, it's been great. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:51:28
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     ►  
     I don't have any problems with it. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:51:30
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     ►  
     - No, I mean, I ran the beta of that too 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:51:33
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     ►  
     and they made a lot of progress. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:51:35
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     And I've said this before on this show and on MPU, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:51:39
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     where 1Password is a current sponsor, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:51:43
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     ►  
     but that doesn't make any difference to me 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:51:45
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     ►  
     in terms of the way we cover it. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:51:46
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     In terms of like the religious fight over Electron 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:51:53
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     ►  
     on the Mac, if it's good or bad for the platform, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:51:56
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     ►  
     I just find uninteresting. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:51:57
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     ►  
     Like if these technical decisions work well 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:52:01
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     for the companies and it means that 1Password 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:52:04
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     gets updates everywhere more quickly 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:52:07
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     and it still works with all my browsers 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:52:10
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     and it still has the little menu bar app. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:52:14
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     And now they even do things like the, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:52:16
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     like one of my favorite things on the Mac 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:52:17
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     is the full, like basically fill a password anywhere 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:52:21
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     where it like screen reads 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:52:22
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     and figures out what the fields are. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:52:24
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     I love that thing. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:52:25
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     ►  
     And it is awesome to log into something 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:52:28
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     like the Mac App Store, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:52:29
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     where I feel like I'm logged out every three days, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:52:32
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     to just use one password there without copying and pasting. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:52:35
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     And so I've got no problems with these directions 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:52:38
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     because the feature set continues to get better. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:52:42
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     - I like the idea of that feature. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:52:45
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     My problem is it does not work 100% of the time. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:52:48
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     - Yeah, it's not flawless for sure. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:52:50
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     - And so because of that, I don't use it. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:52:53
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     Because I never know if I'm like gonna try and do the thing 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:52:56
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     and then it doesn't work 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:52:56
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     and I have to copy the password anyway. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:52:58
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     - That's fair. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:52:59
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     - So I just bring up the little, the new little mini thing, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:53:03
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     which I actually quite like. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:53:04
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     you know, I just press like command and backslash 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:53:07
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     and it just pops it up. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:53:08
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     And then you can navigate that 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:53:09
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     ►  
     with the keyboard really easily. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:53:11
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     ►  
     So I just do that. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:53:12
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     - So that's, yeah, what's one password eight? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:53:15
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     I'm digging it on the phone. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:53:17
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     ►  
     I'd like to see some of the customization come to the Mac. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:53:19
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     I think that'd be really cool. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:53:20
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     Especially the pen things. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:53:22
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     That is super awesome. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:53:24
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     - I've unified the backend, split the front end 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:53:27
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     and in the same position again. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:53:29
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     (both laughing) 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:53:31
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     - I bet these features end up in the desktop app 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:53:34
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     some point. I hope so. Amazon is buying iRobot for 1.7 billion dollars. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:53:42
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     Look Jeff Bezos needs a lot of Roombas for that big house of his. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:53:46
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     Yeah iRobot make Roomba and the mop one I forget the name of. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:53:53
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     Mop bot? Mop bot. We'll call it mop bot. I don't think it's called that. We can find out the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:54:00
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     answer though these things are available to us they call the Rava Rava I don't 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:54:05
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     know why it's not just called the room bum up like I don't know why they needed 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:54:08
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     a second brand they make handheld vacuums I did not know that every time I 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:54:13
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     see the iRobot branding I'm like wait is that the room book company it's just 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:54:17
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     they have air purifiers now it is wild to me that they kept that name going as 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:54:22
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     long as they did well they lead into it right that they didn't just rebrand the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:54:26
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     company to just Roomba. Yeah but it's like the iRobot OS is like the software 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:54:31
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     they built for them they've they've gone nobody nobody knows the brand right no 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:54:36
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     ►  
     I don't think about the movie yeah and it's also a book right yes as a movie's 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:54:42
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     based on a book so yeah Amazon's buying them for 1.7 billion dollars the CEO is 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:54:49
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     gonna stay on and run the company so it's gonna be I expect will just be 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:54:56
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     call iRobot or maybe Amazon make them change the name to Roomba but same as 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:55:01
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     Ring, same as Eero, these are companies that have continued to run somewhat 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:55:07
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     independently or you know but I'm sure like like Eero you'll be able to sign in 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:55:12
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     with your Amazon account at some point which just makes sense. This is a time 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:55:17
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     people keep saying I just listened to Ben Thompson say this today this is the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:55:22
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     time for acquisitions because stock prices are down so if you're a company 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:55:25
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     with cash you can just buy up the company if you've had your eye on for a 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:55:28
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     while and so that's happening. Here's my hope for this. My hope is that Roombas 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:55:36
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     get cheaper now because Roombas are expensive like I'm always surprised how 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:55:42
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     expensive the top-of-the-line Roombas are. They are expensive products. My hope 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:55:47
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     now is that with Amazon they might drive the prices down a bit because that's 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:55:51
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     Amazon's thing they sell their own hardware stuff really cheaply right like 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:55:56
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     compare it compared to other products of that class the echoes are cheap products 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:56:04
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     yes yeah they're subsidizing it with everything else they do right and people 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:56:08
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     point out in the discord that like Eros but Eros weren't very expensive for 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:56:12
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     their product class Roomba's are expensive products so I would hope that 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:56:16
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     that that would be the case but also I'm I'm like it I think like anybody that 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:56:22
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     gets a Roomba I love Roomba yep like the products are fantastic and now this 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:56:28
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     means that the company won't go out of business which I'm really happy about 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:56:31
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     right and now they're less likely to go out of business because now Amazon has 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:56:36
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     to go out of business and if Amazon goes out of business we've got a lot more 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:56:39
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     problems the internet doesn't work any that our robots not working yeah exactly 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:56:43
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     So I'm pretty I'm pretty jazzed about it to be honest. The CEO sticking around is 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:56:49
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     is very similar to how other things have gone. So when they bought Eero which was 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:56:57
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     rumored to be like 98 million dollars they paid basically nothing for Eero but 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:57:01
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     Eero was apparently kind of in bad financial straits at the time. Their CEO 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:57:07
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     and most of the leadership team stayed on and when they bought Ring for a 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:57:12
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     similar amount of money to them buying iRobot, the CEO and leadership stuck 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:57:19
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     around. This seems to be how Amazon likes doing this. We're like these companies, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:57:22
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     from what I've heard of interviews of the Eero guy whose name escapes me, they 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:57:28
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     basically still operate like companies, you know, they're within Amazon and then 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:57:32
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     they can can work and navigate the Amazon infrastructure, but they're still 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:57:38
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     doing their own thing, their own product development, and honestly I think 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:57:41
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     think that that has worked pretty well for Amazon, especially when you contrast 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:57:47
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     it to like what happened with Google and Nest, right? Like Nest was independent 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:57:52
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     within Google, then it was an alphabet and they folded it in and everybody left 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:57:56
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     and it was like, they've run into the ground. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:57:58
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     And then they, they unfolded it again, and then did nothing with it. Right? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:58:04
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     Because it's its own brand again, isn't it? Nest by Google? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:58:07
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     - I think so, but it's interesting. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:58:12
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     There's a lot of reasons Amazon would want to do this, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:58:17
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     I think, I mean, it's another kind of smart home 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:58:21
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     type business and they can integrate it 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:58:23
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     with their assistant and everything. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:58:25
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     There's already a skill for the Echo line 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:58:28
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     where you can ask the tube to run your vacuum, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:58:31
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     but there's obviously concerns here from some people 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:58:36
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     about what does this mean from like a privacy perspective 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:58:40
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     because Roomba is at least like the new, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:58:44
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     sort of higher end ones. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:58:45
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     Mine's a couple years old now, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:58:47
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     but it was like the nicest one when it was for sale new. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:58:51
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     You know, it does map my house and if you go in the app, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:58:55
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     like, I mean, the map kind of looks like it was drawn 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:58:56
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     by a four year old, but like it kind of gets, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:58:59
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     you know what my house looks like. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:59:01
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     You know, quite frankly, like I don't see, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:59:04
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     Like what's Amazon going to do with that compared to what they already know about 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:59:08
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     me in terms of purchasing and my purchasing at Whole Foods. And yeah, you know, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:59:12
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     and I mean, I get like, I'm a guy with ring cameras and a Euro system. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:59:16
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     Like I'm fine with Amazon products in my household if you're not. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:59:20
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     And that's where you've drawn your line. That's fine. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:59:23
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     I will ask, I will ask, I was just asked the question flatly. You'll be nice. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:59:26
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     What do you think Amazon want the layout of your home for? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:59:29
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     What do you think they're going to do? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:59:30
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     I don't know. That's yeah. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:59:31
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     Amazon don't care about the shape of your living room. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:59:35
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     You give them everything already. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:59:38
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     You buy from them. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:59:40
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     - Yeah. - Right? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:59:41
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     That's all they want. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:59:42
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     They just wanna know what products you buy. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:59:43
     ◼ 
      
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     They don't wanna know what dust is under your sofa. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Like they don't care about that. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And I know that they do the ring thing with police, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:59:55
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     but like that's a different thing, right? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:59:57
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     I'm not talking about that. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:59:58
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     - That's bad news, right? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:59:59
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     and Ring lacked into encryption and some others. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:00:03
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     Like Ring's been problematic. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:00:05
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     And I went into the ecosystem knowing all that 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:00:07
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     and you can turn, you can change all your settings 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:00:09
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     to make that basically better. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:00:11
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     And you know, if I don't know how much the Roomba can see, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     right, in terms of like its sensors or like a camera, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:00:20
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     and I get that, right, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:00:21
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     and everyone has to make their own decisions. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:00:23
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     - Every technology company gives information 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:00:27
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     to police when compelled to. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:00:30
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     Like, none of them don't do that. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:00:32
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     - Yeah, well, it's the law. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:00:34
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     - Yes, so like maybe Ring do it more than others. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:00:38
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     Like, sure, but you cannot buy technology 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:00:42
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     assuming that that won't happen to you. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:00:45
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     It can all happen to you. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:00:47
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     It might be different, the information that they give, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:00:49
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     but like, is your security camera less or more risky for you 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:00:54
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     than your iMessages? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:00:56
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     because if you use iCloud backup, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:00:59
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     then your iMessage information can be given to the police. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:01:02
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     So like, you know, there is no, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:01:06
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     there are ways to protect you from all this stuff, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:01:09
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     but then you can't benefit from a lot of the things 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:01:12
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     that you would like to benefit from, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:01:13
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     like backing up your phone, right? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:01:16
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     Good luck backing up your phone without iCloud. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:01:19
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     So like, I get, like it is healthy to be skeptical, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:01:23
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     but like just to naturally assume 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:01:25
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     that every company or like every company that's not Apple 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:01:29
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     is gonna give your information away to the government, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:01:31
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     like Apple do it as well. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:01:33
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     So let's just put all of our cards on the table here. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:01:36
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     - Yeah, I think that's well said. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:01:39
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     I'm not, you know, I'm not gonna be taping over 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:01:43
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     the sensors on my room, but I'm gonna continue to use it. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:01:47
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     You know, for me, it's like where my line sort of fell 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:01:51
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     in this is that, I mean, we use HomePods in the house, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:01:54
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     mostly because I switched everything to home kit, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:01:58
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     worked a little bit better, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:01:59
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     and the HomePod, like the one big HomePod I have left 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:02:02
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     that's still alive is in the kitchen 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:02:03
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     and it sounds incredible, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:02:04
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     and we listen to a lot of music on it. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:02:06
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     You know, for me, like I wouldn't put one of these, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:02:10
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     one of these smart home things with a camera, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:02:11
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     like in the bedroom, right? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:02:13
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     Like my wife would not want that, I don't want that. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:02:14
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     So I would not have like an Echo Show. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:02:16
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     I would not have that in the bedroom. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:02:17
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     But my iPhone sits on my nightstand 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:02:20
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     and it's got four cameras on it, right? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:02:21
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     Like, so there's, none of these lines are perfect. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:02:24
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     And it's really about kind of wherever you fall 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:02:27
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     and how you think about these things. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:02:29
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     For me, I'm not worried about it. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:02:31
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     I'm not worried about iRobot being run to the ground. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:02:33
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     Like Amazon, I think has done a pretty good job 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:02:36
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     with these other purchases. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:02:37
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     There are, there have been hiccups, like no doubt. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:02:39
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     But if the alternative was them going away 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:02:43
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     or being bought by Google, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:02:44
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     which has a bad history of managing these companies, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:02:46
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     like I'm pretty okay with this 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:02:48
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     as a long time Roomba customer. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:02:51
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     As I said before if it keeps remember around and now maybe does something about trying to make things cheaper and/or 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:02:57
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     Integrative other products that I own in a better way like I'm into it personally 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:03:02
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     This episode of connected is made possible by bombus. I'm wearing some bombus socks right now. They're super comfortable 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:03:10
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     They're soft. They have cozy feel 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:03:12
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     But they're also great for working out because they're made with this like sweat sweat wicking yarn 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:03:19
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     So if I go out for a walk or a run or a bike ride, I'm comfortable with that too 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:03:24
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     Bombas has this really cool mission to make the most comfortable clothes ever and they match every item sold with an equal item 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:03:30
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     Donated so when you buy something from Bombas, you're also giving to someone in need 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:03:35
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     Bombas designed their socks shirts and underwear to be the clothes. You can't wait to put on every day everything 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:03:42
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     They make it soft seamless tagless, which I really appreciate. I hate tags that poke you and scratch you and everything is cozy 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:03:49
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     Your feet stay cool in their socks when the rest of you works up a sweat and their no-show socks are designed for comfort 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:03:56
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     While being engineered to never fall down so you can let your ankles be free 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:04:01
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     Their t-shirts are made with thoughtful design features like invisible seams soft fabrics and the perfect weight 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:04:07
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     So they hang just right and bombas underwear is breathable fits well and has a barely there feel my entire sock drawer is 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:04:15
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     Bombas I've had them for years 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:04:17
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     I love how well they hold up over time. We've all had socks that you know after after a year 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:04:22
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     They start falling apart or that they start hooching down and my bombas have held up super well. I love them 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:04:28
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     I wear them every single day 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:04:30
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     Socks underwear and t-shirts are the three most requested clothing items at homeless shelters 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:04:34
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     And that's why bombas donates one of them for every item you buy 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:04:37
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     So far bombas customers have helped donate over 50 million items of essential clothing. I absolutely love that 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:04:44
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     So you can get 20% off your first purchase go to bombas.com slash connected. That's B 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:04:51
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     O M B A S bombas.com slash connected for 20% off your first purchase 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:04:58
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     Our thanks to bombas for the support of the show and relay FM 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:05:02
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     I've got a camera when I talk to you about Myke. Okay. Is it a ring? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:05:07
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     And I put a ring camera on top of it and it just drives around what 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:05:13
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     Oh, that's double trouble baby. Double trouble! 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:05:17
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     Yeah, there's a button that goes right to the Department of Justice. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:05:21
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     They've had a busy week. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:05:25
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     Mm-hmm. I picked up an Opal C1. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:05:29
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     Okay. This has been, you know, 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 01:05:34
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     Some tech youtubers have talked about it. It's 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:05:37
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     ►  
     effectively, I mean it's it's a chunky webcam and it has a 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:05:42
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     Big ol Sony sensor a 4k sensor that my understanding is is very similar to what's in something like the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:05:50
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     Like the rx100 line. It's not that it's not a sensor. That's that big 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:05:55
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     I don't think but it is sort of similar incredible low-light 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:05:58
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     A really fast f 1.8 lens. It's a very nice webcam as it should be for 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:06:05
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     ►  
     $100 but you can reserve and get in line and I got my invite to purchase one a couple weeks ago 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:06:11
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     And I did and now I'm here to report on it 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:06:14
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     So I had an invite come for a couple of weeks ago as well and I decided not to do it 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:06:19
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     Okay, because it's $300 and I thought to myself 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:06:23
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     I don't want it for $300 now. I would say at the time I didn't need a webcam 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:06:29
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     Mm-hmm. Well now I've got the MacBook Pro plugged into an LG display 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 01:06:35
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     And I don't have a webcam. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:06:39
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     So now if I ever need to do video while I've got my podcast gear, I need to take things 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 01:06:47
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     Which is fine, I can just go take my Brio from my PC and plug it in. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:06:51
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     It will be easy enough to do. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:06:53
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     But like, because I just got the studio display, so I was like, well I don't need the camera 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:06:57
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     anymore because I have the iMac, but no I don't have that. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:07:01
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     But I don't, I think I'm going to take that $300 and I'm going to put it into a pot to 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:07:07
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     save up for another studio display for my recording desk. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:07:12
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     Because I have a 32 inch OG in front of me right now, which is too big. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:07:16
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     But I'm just reusing the monitor that I had been using previously for my other thing. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:07:23
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     And ah, good point from Pastor Boy. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:07:26
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     Continuity camera was the other thing I wanted to try out. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:07:29
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     I don't I'm not going to bother getting camo or I'm not going to go into that 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:07:33
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     ►  
     Doing that right now because continuity cameras just around the corner at this point 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:07:37
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     ►  
     And I have a webcam here at the studio that I use when I stream 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:07:41
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     ►  
     But yeah, I am so intrigued though. I watched a 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:07:45
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     ►  
     Friend of the show David Sparks did a video about one 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:07:49
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     ►  
     Which I assume maybe been another reason what pushed you to it. You seem pretty jazzed about it. Yeah, it's it's pretty sweet 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:07:56
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     So I've I was using the LG Brio which is a 4k and I had a version with a little magnetic mount for the pro display 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:08:02
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     This is definitely 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:08:05
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     better than that camera, but I'm not sure it's worth $300 unless you make your living on 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:08:12
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     ►  
     Doing a bunch of stuff with your webcam, right? It has 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:08:16
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     You know physical features it is USB C 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:08:19
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     ►  
     Which is really nice and it comes with a a little mount with little legs so you can kind of you know 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:08:25
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     make it squeeze the top of your display and it's got a pivot so you can angle it down because 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:08:30
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     You know ergonomically the top of your screen should be 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:08:32
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     ►  
     above your eye line and then it's sort of looking at the top of your head so you can you can angle it down and 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 01:08:40
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     magnetic lens cover and an LED when it's active so, you know 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:08:45
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     ►  
     When it's active and you can actually put a physical lens cap over it when you're not using it and it's super smart 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:08:52
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     ►  
     So if you take the lens cap off the camera wakes up if you put it on the camera goes to sleep 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:08:56
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     ►  
     But on the software side, it's a little bit weird. They have a Mac mini bar app that runs all the time and 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:09:04
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     ►  
     It gives you 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:09:06
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     control over 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:09:08
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     what the camera is doing and so you have 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 01:09:14
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     Camera settings so you can lock the focus 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:09:17
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     ►  
     You can record just within their app if you just need to do like a little little something 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:09:22
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     ►  
     You can change the bokeh. So you can like really kind of blow out the background again. It goes down 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:09:28
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     ►  
     The the bokeh goes down to f is 0.7 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:09:32
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     ►  
     You can add a logo you can zoom as face lock which is like center stage where it sort of follows your head around 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:09:39
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     Which is kind of funny 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:09:41
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     And there's also some audio settings because it does have microphones and microphones do sound 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:09:46
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     Really good. It's the best sounding webcam I've ever had but you got to have that Mac app. It does install a system extension 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:09:53
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     ►  
     so you've got to go into 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:09:54
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     system settings or assistive preferences and 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:09:58
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     ►  
     Allow that which is fine. Do you got to do the rebooting? 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 01:10:02
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     The only audio had actually only one that has to do that that I've ever come across is that because it's the first time 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:10:07
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     It's the first time right because you have to go in and say reduce system 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:10:11
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     ►  
     Security and then they'll all be fine after that I think 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:10:15
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     think? Maybe. I didn't have to reboot or anything. The software's fine. I mean, you know, it's 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:10:20
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     like another thing in my menu bar, but I have a million things in my menu bar, so it's fine. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:10:24
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     And you have a 400 inch wide display. 32 inches, yeah. Same as you. I love how a minute ago 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:10:32
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     I said 32 was too big and you agreed with me. I have a much bigger desk than you do. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:10:37
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     And I don't have a second monitor next to it like you do. That's true. Well, this desk 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:10:41
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     is is small and beautiful a desk that's a big desk yes covered in your face this 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:10:46
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     this is really it's more your desk than mine you can you could use this as a 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:10:51
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     stand like a more standalone thing it doesn't have to be clipped to the top 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:10:54
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     ►  
     your display the bottom has a quarter 20 on it so you can screw it on to a plate 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:10:58
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     to put on a tripod or something and it does get warm after a little bit which 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:11:04
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     ►  
     is kind of weird but even in like 1080 mode which I have mine in because zoom 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:11:09
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     ►  
     and some of the applications sort of balk if you if you have it set to the full 4k, but it's really nice 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:11:15
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     ►  
     no one needs a $300 webcam including me, but if 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:11:20
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     You you know say that you want to start streaming or something like if it was between this or like 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:11:26
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     ►  
     Something like an rx100 or something and then you're gonna like pipe it into your computer 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:11:30
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     I think I would look at this first just because 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:11:33
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     It has a lot of stuff in software and is simpler to manage than like a you know setting up 
     
     
  
 
 
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     a quote unquote real camera as your webcam. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Did you use it to take your new profile photo? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     No, that was with my Sony camera. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
 
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     Some people had autofocus issues. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     Mine seems okay. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     You know, maybe that's the software thing. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     The software is definitely like in beta. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And so it says beta on it. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Like it's, I mean, it's not even widely available to purchase. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Like this is a very young new product. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So, uh, I have not had the autofocus issues, but if you do, my hope is that 
     
     
  
 
 
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     they could fix that in the software side. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     I think some of the invite stuff is hype. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     I do think that it can come back to bite you because if I would have just 
     
     
  
 
 
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     been able to give them my money, I would have one of these. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It's a good way to hide. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Uh, I don't know if they're doing this, but it's a good way to hide supply chain 
     
     
  
 
 
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     issues, right? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Sign up for an invite to buy it. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     We're making them as fast as we can. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I mean, that might have been part of the reason that they did it, because this was a post-pandemic product. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Like, the pandemic changed what people wanted from their cameras. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     People were upset with their laptop cameras, and so this company sprang up and took a lot of investment from a lot of interesting people and developed a thing. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It's the same--I know you mentioned it's the Sony thing. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Is it true that this is the same sensor that's in the Pixel phones? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I heard that once, but I don't know if that's true. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Oh, that may have been what I was thinking when I said the RX100. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I think it may be. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I think it's a Sony sensor, but it was used in the Google Pixel, I believe. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Like it's actually a smartphone sensor, which surprised me. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Yes, The Verge, in their review, which I'll put in the show notes, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     the show notes says that it is the same sensor that was in the first pixel 
     
     
  
 
 
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     because that was one of the when I found that out that actually turned me off it 
     
     
  
 
 
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     the way this thing looks makes it look like it's got like some serious hardware 
     
     
  
 
 
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     in it you know but yeah but really it is just a smartphone and I already have one 
     
     
  
 
 
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     of those mm-hmm that was and that this is these were like some of the things 
     
     
  
 
 
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     that led to me thinking that when my time came around I was like no I'm good 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And like now with continuity camera now, I'm like, no, I'm really good. Like I'm gonna have a bit 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I'm feel pretty confident that the iPhone 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Video camera will produce better image quality probably this well 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Yeah, it's it's not as good as the iPhone, but it's definitely the best 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Non-real camera I've ever hooked up to my to my computer 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Sure, let's like the best webcam you can get. Yeah, but most people including me don't actually 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Don't actually need it and but I think it's interesting. I mean mainly because of what you said right this came out of 
     
     
  
 
 
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     The the world that we were all thrust into in 2020 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I can it was really hard to buy a webcam like I remember our brother, you know 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Like everyone else I was working from home all of a sudden 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I was looking for a webcam and there just weren't any and I had an extra so I just I gave him 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Gave him an old 
     
     
  
 
 
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     LG one that I had or somebody I don't know but it's 
     
     
  
 
 
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     This is a meeting 
     
     
  
 
 
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     You know the need that people have and it's taken them a couple of years to get it out like like you would imagine anything 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Else that's hardware and software, but it is really impressive. Is it is it worth it for most people again? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     No, but if you have this need I think 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Pretty easily. It's the the nicest best thing on the market for it and it does look cool. It does look I guess the 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Flexibility is good. Right like and I have been a person who struggled with 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Flexibility in cameras right like I've been moaning about this for months about not being able to change the refresh rate 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Can you do that here like 50 or 60 Hertz? Can you do that or did it have anti flickering? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     options in their software I don't see anything in 
     
     
  
 
 
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     here about the 
     
     
  
 
 
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     refresh rate, but I would I would assume it was okay with that. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Sometimes it's just called anti flickering or like that kind of stuff. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Yeah, I don't, I don't see anything about that either. Um, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     there are some filters you can apply if you want to like highlights and shadows 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and stuff. Uh, you can mainly set a bunch of stuff like white balance and exposure. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I have all that to be automatic. Um, and there's also gesture control. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So you can like do a peace sign and the video toggles on and off or 
     
     
  
 
 
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     draw on the video like that's all fine but mostly kind of uh kind of silly i think i don't know how 
     
     
  
 
 
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     useful that is in real life oh you can put your logo on it too or you can like put a little logo 
     
     
  
 
 
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     on there update it's called anti-banding and there's three settings uh 50 hertz 60 hertz and 
     
     
  
 
 
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     auto there you go so that's this would work for you take for me but the iphone camera doesn't do it 
     
     
  
 
 
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     yeah but then you're like taking your phone out like putting in a mount like 
     
     
  
 
 
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     There's something to be said about having something that's dedicated. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I agree with you and also as a popsocket user I don't even know if any of these mounts will work for me 
     
     
  
 
 
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     so like it might be like a whole thing that I need to work out later on 
     
     
  
 
 
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     but I could probably just use a glyph from Studio Neat 
     
     
  
 
 
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     but I don't very frequently need a webcam where I record podcasts 
     
     
  
 
 
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     like that's the only place for me where I... 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Just because of your setup. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Just because I would usually take video calls in front of the studio display 
     
     
  
 
 
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     which does now work properly. I don't know why. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     My studio... sometimes... I go through these 
     
     
  
 
 
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     phases where sometimes the studio display will accurately change to 
     
     
  
 
 
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     the what I need it to so it stops banding or flickering, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     but sometimes it doesn't. Well they had an update for it just last week maybe 
     
     
  
 
 
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     that took care of it? I haven't run that update yet. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So I'm confident that that update will break it because that 
     
     
  
 
 
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     that's happened before in the past. Probably. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So that's yeah, that's the the opal c1. It's really expensive, but really nice. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Thanks so many things. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     If you want to find links to stuff we spoke about head on over to the website relay.fm/connected/410 
     
     
  
 
 
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     find me on Twitter as ism h and I write over at 512 pixels.net. Federico's the big birthday boy 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So thank you live listeners. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And he'll be back next week. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And until next time, Myke, say goodbye. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - Bye bye. - Bye y'all.