412: It's Strong! It's Tough!
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Hello and welcome to Connected episode 412.
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It's made possible this week by our sponsors,
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TextExpander, Trade Coffee, Sourcegraph and Ladder.
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My name is Stephen Hackett and I'm joined
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by Mr. Myke Hurley.
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Are you okay?
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I was drinking water when you were talking.
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Instead of just waiting like a sensible person, I decided I would drink the water really quickly
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and that made everything way worse.
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I am joined by a more competent podcaster, Federico Vittucci.
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Hello, I am not drinking water and it's good to be here.
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You should, in general.
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Okay, okay, let me drink water then, jeez, okay.
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Here, I'm drinking water.
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It's good to be hydrated.
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I got some too.
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Good to be hydrated.
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One of the most important things as a podcaster is to be hydrated.
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Water's good, you know?
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So it's a good drink.
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Let's start with some follow-up.
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Myke, I have good news for you.
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Your mobility wear solitaire game is on Apple Arcade.
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Caleb sent this in.
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You need to download this and write a review on Mac stories.
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I don't want to do that.
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That is like a job which I wouldn't enjoy, I think.
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But I'm happy that it still exists.
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I don't really like Solitaire that much.
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So this is like a similar thing of like there was just not many games
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because John Voorhees also had "Jurbo Match" or whatever it was called
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in his top 10.
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I think it was just there wasn't a lot of apps, right?
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So everybody downloaded what was there.
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Yeah, it was "Oh, this looks fun. I'll check it out."
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And I remember too, I think we probably spoke about this last week,
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Part of it was just like the exploration of what was possible, right?
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Because we just didn't know, you know, what developers could do.
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And so I felt like for a long time, every new app I downloaded, like, it really didn't
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add like new functionality or new experience to the iPhone.
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That hasn't been true in a long time for the most part, but it's cool to look back.
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That was a lot of fun last week.
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On the last episode I surprised you both by letting you know that Shazam used to be a
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call in service. A couple of days later Apple celebrated Shazam turning 20 years old and
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noting that it used to be a call in service. Shazam launches as a text message service
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August 2002. Based in the UK, at the time users could identify songs by dialing 2580
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on their phone and holding it up as the song played. They were then sent an SMS message
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telling them the song title and name of the artist. It comes from Apple's newsroom blog.
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What's the international prefix for the UK? +44? +44, yep.
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You're gonna try and call them? 0044 2580.
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I don't know if it works anymore. Do you have music playing?
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Well, I can. Let's see.
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If it works.
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I mean, realistically, it would have been easier if you would have just asked
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me to do this no it's not working you want me to try yes instead it's probably
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makes more sense right let me see what happens two five eight zero that's good
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it's just one straight line down it's a good number oh that's clever calling
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please tell me somebody picks up tell them you're on a podcast nothing's
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actually happening oh no it just says calling but there's no actual sound
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that's sad your phone needs a cooling system like Federico's did in the pro
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show mm-hmm yeah get connected pro co I don't think it's active okay it's not
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active anymore that's what a ride though to go from a dial-in service in the UK
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to being a option and control center on the iPhone like not sure I appreciate
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the UK part of that. I mean just that it started in one country I didn't mean it
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as a slide against your nation. Alright but here's the thing though no because if
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if this would have started in America you wouldn't have said USA you you
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wouldn't have said oh imagine that to have started as a call-in service to the
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USA. Don't Casey list me I will not be Casey list. No you're Casey listing me is what's
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happening. Federico you understand what I'm saying right if they would have been
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an American service he wouldn't have said USA.
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Hmm, yeah. Right? He wouldn't have said, oh, imagine that as a phone service in America
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and now you're in control centers. Yeah, it was said in a slightly, not pejorative
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way, but like, oh, from this cute small, quaint country in Europe, the UK. You may have heard
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of it. Yeah. But most Americans refer to other countries like that.
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Can you guys give me two minutes to go answer my door?
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So now look at this.
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He's backing away from the podcast.
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You guys keep talking.
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Whatever you say I'm going to leave in unless I decide not to leave it in.
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I think I'm just going to wait until he comes back.
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I don't have anything funny enough to say.
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Unless you do Federico, do you have any grievances you want to air about Steven?
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About Steven?
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Well, not in particular.
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He's a good person, you know.
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He's a good man.
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Oh, this is...
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Now he will leave this in.
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I don't have anything bad to say about Steven.
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Every time I ask him for favors, he does them.
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And very quickly also.
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Should we just swear a bunch?
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Before we started the recording, at all, Federico very excitedly told me,
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to which I became very excited, that there's a new Arctic Monkeys album coming this year.
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So that's good news.
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That's good, excellent news, called "The Car".
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The car. That's the name of the album, The Car. You get to listen to and you're in the car?
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Yeah. The car in the car? The car in the car. I'm kind of just waiting though.
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Where has he gone even? I bet this is something to do with his calendar.
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Hey. Oh hey. Was that something to do with your calendar? Was it the postman?
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Well it was the FedEx man. Myke you know what this is. Secrets. Already? It's right here.
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Oh, is it good? I don't know. Do we do a live unboxing? Just tell people what it is?
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Yeah. Every September, we're just gonna do this. Relay FM raises money for St. Jude Children's
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Research Hospital. It's a hospital and research institution that serves kids and their families
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from all over the world. Their research is shared freely around the world and every September we
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raise money for their work. This year, if you go to stjude.org/relay, you will see two options.
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One, you can donate directly like you always have,
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and there's some really cool rewards for that.
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But if you want to sign up and do your own fundraising team
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and fundraise alongside us and get your family
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and friends and coworkers involved,
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there's a different set of really cool rewards for that.
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- Incentives, incentives I think is the legal word
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we're supposed to use.
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- One of them, I got the test print.
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We did a desk mat of the co-founder sticker head artwork.
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- So I have just put in the Discord
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and people can see it stjude.org/relay.
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You can scroll down and see an artist's rendition
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of the desk mat.
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- Oh my God.
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- But Steven just received the first test sample
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of the desk mat. - This is incredible.
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- Come on, I need a picture.
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Okay, let me, it's really big.
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I need to sit on my floor, hang on.
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- So I'll talk a little bit more.
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So we're gonna be kind of kicking off
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the official proper messaging about this next week.
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That was the plan, but you can go and see all of this now
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at sttude.org/relay.
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And as Stephen said, you can give yourself,
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and there are a bunch of great rewards for that.
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We have a sticker pack, but also some wallpapers.
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And this year, just an incredible macOS screensaver
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that James Thompson made,
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which is just unbelievably incredible.
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These will be available and sent out
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after the campaign is over.
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And so you can donate and that's amazing.
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But if you sign up and fundraise on our behalf,
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where you'll be fundraising yourself
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and you can go out to your friends,
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your family, your coworkers, maybe you can stream,
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maybe you can share it on your podcast, on your website.
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Anybody that raises $1 gets a Relay FM challenge coin,
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Relay FM St. Jude challenge coin.
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These are only available to people that raise
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at least $1 for fundraising themselves.
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But if you raise over $250,
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you will receive a desk mat of the co-founder heads.
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Oh my God, it looks incredible and it's huge.
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- Yeah, I put a field notes on it for size.
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- It's so good.
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- It's really good.
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- Wow, it's so good.
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I'm getting one soon.
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So we'll be doing a lot of streaming throughout September.
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Me and Steven will have these on our desks while we stream.
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It's incredible.
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This looks so much better
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I imagined it was going to look. Yes, I am into this. Wow. So, stduid.org/relay. We'll
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talk about it more next week, but, you know, don't delay. Start fundraising today.
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Oh, that's really good. You just come up with that off the top of your head?
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Off the top of my old dome. Yeah, I'm just so amped up and excited after seeing this thing.
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Not bad for an old man.
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Younger than you.
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That's true. Yes, we would love if people would get involved this year.
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I rescind it. This was worth you going answering the door.
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Yes. Wait, did you say it wasn't?
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I was talking trash.
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Oh, it was so mad. It's like, I don't understand. This is so unprofessional.
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We're in the midst of recording a podcast.
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It was lots of things like that, you know?
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It's also his company.
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I knew that's what it was. I had to go.
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It actually wasn't. I didn't say that. I didn't say that. I just didn't like the pressure in the moment.
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Well, speaking of pressure in the moment, you want to let people know what happened
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on the Club Max Stories Town Hall yesterday?
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Yes, so we...
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Steven and I contributed to the kind of anniversary of Club Max Stories,
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and it was like a Town Hall thing they did in their Discord.
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I will say I was encouraged during the Discord to do
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a very impromptu quick connected quiz, where I just asked the two of them one
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simple question. Basically, could the other guess what the other was just about
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to say? There was 100 points on the line. They
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they both lost 100 points.
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So the overall totals of Steven and Federico
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have decreased by 100.
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Steven now has 2,873 points.
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Federico has 2,201 points.
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That is an update for you all, for those keeping score.
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Basically nothing's changed except they've both gone down.
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- Is there anything else we need to do in follow up?
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- I don't think so.
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- I mean, we can just skip over that.
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- Well, there is a thing that was a topic actually
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that I thought had been taken out of the show, but it's been snuck in here and I think we
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were just trying to be tricked. Federica, what is in this document?
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There's a line of text that says "The fate of the Hackett M2 Air." So, yeah, what's the
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To recap, my wife has been using an M1 MacBook Air with a whatever the small, the LG 4K Ultrafine,
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I think it's 21 and a half inches about the same size as the old small iMac and she's using that for a while
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Tiny desk in the corner of our den. I got this m2 air. It was gonna be hers. The m1 air was gonna replace a
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2018 Intel MacBook Air the kids have been using for homework and that sort of thing had it all planned out
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The problem is that I really like the m2 air and so I you know set it up. I used it for a while
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Put Ventura on it and wrote my review which we talked about last week. I've been telling her is like hey, you know
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This machine is gonna be yours. We're gonna you know one evening or you know over the course of a day
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I'll you know do all the you know, like two or three data migrations necessary to make all this work and
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We ended up doing something different so she's decided that she wants to
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she doesn't really use her computer that much she's mostly iPad first at home and
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And we're talking about redoing our DIN,
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it's like the desk was gonna have to move
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and we weren't sure where it was gonna go.
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And so there's all these other factors
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affecting her setup kind of at the same time
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as I'm changing these computers around.
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Why do you keep laughing?
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So at the end of the day,
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she's decided to forego her external display
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and just use a notebook.
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But she wanted to have something
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potentially a little bit bigger than the Air.
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So she now has my 14 inch MacBook Pro.
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Yeah, so she's got the 14 inch MacBook Pro,
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she's using it standalone.
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I've got the Air.
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And the kids have the M1.
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No, this is fair, Mary wins.
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'Cause I thought Mary was about to lose.
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That's why I thought this was going.
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Mary gets a ThinkPad.
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I have a great iBook G3.
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It's bigger.
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Yeah, and it's orange, what do you want?
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I mean, that's what I wanted on this machine.
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So she did once, there's a story,
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it's on a Mac story somewhere.
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I wrote about the clamshell iBook a few years ago
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and she modeled it for me.
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And I don't know, she hasn't let me live that down yet.
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So yeah, that's what we've done.
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And man, I gotta say like,
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I have this 2018 Intel Air now in my office.
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That keyboard is so bad.
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I know we talked about it for so long.
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And the 2018 was like the final revision
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of the butterfly keyboard,
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but it sounds and feels like garbage
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and the space bar is broken.
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So I gotta, I gotta do a repair on that machine.
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But it's a, that's where we ended up.
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So I've got the Air, she has my 14 inch MacBook Pro.
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I do have a user set up on that machine.
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I mean, I had to go back to Monterey on it
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'cause it had Ventura.
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So my user is basically just empty,
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but on the occasion that it would be useful
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for me to have a machine with HDMI and more inputs,
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like, you know, occasionally I get pulled into like
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running AV for something at church
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or with the scouts or something
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that I can use that machine if I need it.
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So that's where we ended up.
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- Okay, that's ended up pretty well.
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- I think so.
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Yeah, and she really likes it.
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She's been using it and we're gonna disassemble her desk
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and I don't know what to do with that LG 4K display,
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but I'll find a home for that.
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- Send it to Casey.
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- Apple event. - Yeah.
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- September 7th.
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It was predicted and it is happening.
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There is a part in person event,
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but it's all gonna be streamed it seems
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as kind of as it has been.
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I guess the kind of mixture is people will be there
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and we'll be able to watch it,
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but they will be watching what we see, I don't know.
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- Yeah, I don't think we, I mean,
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I don't think we super know like on the surface of it,
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it seems like it's what it used to be, right?
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People are there and then we're watching something.
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Whether they're watching real people on stage or not
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seems to be unknown.
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So I don't know.
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- Very good point.
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I just make assumptions.
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Like I just, they can do,
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they did it with way more people at the minute BC, right?
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Just sat in the elevator, watch a video.
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But this allows for the hands-on areas and the briefings
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and that kind of stuff to happen
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in the environment that they would like.
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Who knows? None of us, right, got invited to go now. No, no, we just all kind of got
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emails to say hey, we're all upset. No, that's that's no, we're not. We did this one. I did
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this once already this year. Didn't go great. So wasn't Kenan doing it again.
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iPhones, Apple Watches, I guess is what we're expecting.
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- Especially now, we're gonna talk about iOS 16.1 later on,
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but it seems pretty clear cut now
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what will and won't be at this event.
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- I mean, it seems like this one's pretty nailed down.
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I feel like we've known about the four phone strategy
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for a long time now.
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And we've read a lot about the Apple Watch Pro
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that, you know, Gherman in particular
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has written a lot about.
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So I don't know if we'll see many surprises here,
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hardware wise, the only sort of wild card in my mind
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is something AirPods, you know, maybe new AirPods Pro.
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- Well, it's about time for the Pro 2 for sure.
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Maybe the new Max iteration,
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but for sure, like it's about time I think for a second,
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for a revision to the AirPods Pro.
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It's been over two years, I believe, at this point.
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But yeah, hardware-wise, I agree, that's possibly,
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I mean, and I mean, there's always the wild
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like accessory prediction,
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like they're gonna do a new cleaning cloth or something.
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You know, new cables. - You just wanna be
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in the New York Times again.
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- Well, prepare for the grand return of Mr. Vitici
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in the New York Times, if they do that.
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- You know me, I'm a collector of cleaning cloths,
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And yeah, but that's, you know, we'll have to see what they do.
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But yeah, I guess I am curious myself
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about the positioning of the Apple Watch Pro model.
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Because typically, Pro models, like sure, the iPhone Pros
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and the iPad Pros are--
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they are very broadly aimed at professionals.
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Like on the iPad Pro, the Pro features are--
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There are some functionalities that, sure, artists
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can take advantage of.
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But really, pro means best model.
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That's what it means.
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And same on the iPhone.
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Sure, some features are directly aimed at photographers,
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but really, pro means this is the best version of the iPhone
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that you can get.
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There was an article on The Verge,
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I think, from last year that pro has lost all its meaning now.
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And I kind of agree with that.
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Pro just means the more expensive one with more stuff.
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So, in the context of the Apple Watch, the rumors that we've heard so far are pointing at a watch
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aimed at people who are into extreme sports, and you know, so this is like a rugged version.
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And I kind of understand all of that because they want to capture the market
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where companies like Fitbit and Garmin are still very much selling these more advanced watches for
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those kinds of activities. So watches that you can go multiple days, you can go on a hike,
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and it's got a giant battery in it, and it's got more accurate GPS, a more accurate altimeter,
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for example, all that kind of stuff. There's still a market of people buying those more advanced
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watches. But isn't that too small a niche for Apple to say this is Apple Watch Pro? So I kind
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of wonder if, sure, those features will be in the Apple Watch Pro, but the positioning from Apple
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will be a little broader so that people like Myke and I, I don't think we are into extreme sports,
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last time I checked, but also people like Myke and I could say "you know what, this is the best
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version, I'm just gonna get an Apple Watch Pro". I'm curious about that. Yes, I've had that thought
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too, like I... if the features of this thing are like "it's strong, it's tough", I was like "I don't
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don't need those right. Okay, so Stephen does, but I don't need those features
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and even just like so that I mean you know and there's things they could add
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to it. Maybe that would be more interested in like for me, bigger screen.
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No, I don't think I need the watch to be bigger. So like, but you know some
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people would want that and that's not about rugged at all. It's just about
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like, oh, do you really love the Apple watch or wouldn't it be better if it was
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bigger, which is like you know that's the way it is for for a lot of devices.
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So I am intrigued to see what they position this as.
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I do agree that like whilst I wanted it to be called Apple Watch Extreme because I thought that was fun,
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Apple Watch Pro is probably just a better catch-all name to cover off a bunch of people, right?
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Like they can say it's stronger, they can say it's more durable,
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but that doesn't make it a rugged sports watch.
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But they can say it has longer battery life and a bigger screen
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and that kind of appeals to a whole bigger, more broad set of people that way.
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Just so it's the pro one, it's just got more of all of it.
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So that's the one thing that I'm keeping an eye on.
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Everything else seems that we pretty much know what's going to happen.
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The mini iPhone is going away.
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We're going to get two sizes per line of iPhone 14.
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I guess maybe the other area where, and this is also where we get the points usually for
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a risky pick for the Ricky's which are coming up, but iOS taking advantage of new stuff
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that's exclusive to the 14 line. That's maybe an area where there could be surprises waiting
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for us. I'm sure there's going to be some photography related additional like a new
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I expect there'll be quite a lot of that for the Pro phone if the things are true, right?
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Which is the removal of the notch, the addition of an always-on display.
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And I don't know if they'll do software stuff for the camera because the camera on the Pro is
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like a physically different thing, potentially, is what the rumors are. It's like a 48 megapixel
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camera. So that on its own will be enough. Honestly, I was thinking about this. I hope
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that this is the removal of that sweater mode thing. What was it called? Deep Fusion.
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Deep Fusion. I hope that the higher megapixel camera means they can get rid of that feature.
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Because I a lot of the time don't like what it does to my images and I think they shouldn't need
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to do that anymore if they have a higher megapixel camera which will still just be binned down so they
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can take advantage of all of the additional information coming from the sensor. I still
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think if they are increasing the RAM on the Pro models, I still think that, well, I don't
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know, could they do it? But split view on the iPhone, I still think that it would make
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sense. Now, I cannot reuse this as a risky pick in our game, because that was my risky
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pick for WWDC, but I still think multi-casking on the big iPhones, Apple probably needs to
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do more on that front, especially if they're gonna go...
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Stage manager is what you're saying.
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Stage manager on iPhone.
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Stage manager on the iPhone.
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I mean honestly, that UI would probably make more sense on a phone with the little cards
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that you can swipe away.
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It's just a smaller stage.
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I mean, at that point, you're kind of remaking web OS, if you think about it.
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And you have those little stacks of...
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Wouldn't that be wonderful, though?
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You have those little stacks of windows that you can swipe away to multitask.
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I mean, come on.
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Man, I remember when they introduced the Plus phones, and it was like,
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"You can turn your phone sideways and everything changes."
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I mean, that all just went away.
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I will say, Federico, to your point there, like,
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the fact that there will be two large phones, if they're going to do it,
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they could do it, right? Imagine if they do. I will lose my mind if they do that. I mean,
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I would be so happy, honestly. Because I honestly find myself wishing for it all the time. And
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if there's a company that can make it look nicer than Android, I mean, Apple can do it.
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Just from a fundamental level it works, because picture-in-picture exists, right? Exactly.
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I can fill up like a large portion of my phone with picture-in-picture, and I do frequently,
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and I can still use my phone, right?
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So like, you know, I would love to see it.
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You'd love to see it.
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- You can have picture in picture on a phone.
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You can have a keyboard that floats on one side
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or the other side.
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I mean, why not have split view at this point?
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You can do drag and drop between amps.
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I mean, all the parts are there.
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But also this is like a major developer related thing
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that probably needs to wait for WWDC if they ever do it.
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But I mean, on iOS, you're essentially,
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I don't want to say that you're scraping
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the bottom of a barrel these days
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when it comes to innovation on the phone OS,
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but also they kind of are.
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And I mean, widgets are saving them this year,
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but really like what, well, we'll talk about this.
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This is sort of the angle that I'm taking for my iOS review.
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So we'll talk about this later, but yeah.
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- We're doing the Ricky's next week.
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So happy for two week notices to come back.
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Thank you to whoever did that.
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Devin, not having, 'cause we would have had, you know,
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we wouldn't have had 10 minutes notice
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it probably would have been a bit like a day
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and it would have sucked.
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So I'm so happy that we get more notice.
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- Well, although that means that iOS is coming up very soon.
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And I, you know, I'm starting to feel that pressure
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of, yeah, it's happening.
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I really hope it's not the day after the event. I hope they stick to next week. So we'll see.
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What do you think though?
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Right? I think they're gonna do the following Monday. My perfect scenario would be the following
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Wednesday. So a week from today. When it's event day, obviously. My ideal scenario would be at the
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the event or in a press release, they say next week on Wednesday. So I have a full
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week to finish everything. But I think it's also very likely that they're gonna
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do Monday instead of Wednesday of the following week. Let's try and plan out
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some of these dates here and look at my calendar. So I think they're gonna do iOS
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on the 12th. So we've got event on the 7th, iOS on the 12th. Are we thinking
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iPhones on the 16th? Yeah. So pre-orders on the 9th, right? Where's the September calendar?
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So the 9th is Friday. Exactly, exactly. So they could also do... So I mentioned Wednesday because
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in the past they have done the new iOS releases on the Wednesday with the new iPhones coming out
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on the Friday. They have done this. Although I believe that in the past couple of years they
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I've released iOS on a Monday, hence why I'm mentioning the 12 instead.
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Maybe they do it on Tuesday. Give it one extra day. It's probably good to be ready for the
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12 though. Well, they'll say though, won't they? But mentally now as you're preparing.
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I'm preparing for the 12, yeah. So we'll see. How many days do I have? 20?
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about 20 days to finish it and edit it. No, like 18 or 19. Well 19, yeah. Yeah. We'll get there.
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Eventually. 16th would be nice. Podcastathon day. New iPhones in the morning, provided Stephen can
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get one. Yeah, every week. For each of us. Because that's what he had to do before. This is the first
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podcast of the Stephen had to buy buy an iPhone for me yep because I was
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obviously in America that day did it helpful did it work when you went back
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to the UK yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah there are certain bands and this one was the
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5g thing could be a problem yeah I've just realized a little worried about
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that oh that might be an issue maybe maybe we get your Apple watch here
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instead of a phone.
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- No, no, no, I can check it.
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Like if the current one works, then the next one will work.
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'Cause I just, we don't have millimeter wave, right?
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So the millimeter wave stuff is like, whatever,
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that won't work, but it doesn't currently.
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But we have like the regular 5G, whatever that's called.
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- Something, something, something, yep.
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- To be fair, most people in the US
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have never experienced millimeter wave either,
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so it's fine.
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I've seen it one time and I couldn't connect to it.
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The phone said it was on there, but it had no data.
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So that was exciting.
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Myke, tell us about your trade coffee experience.
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I love coffee in general.
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And one of the great joys for me was learning a little bit
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And what I love about Trade
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is they make this incredibly easy.
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So you go in, go to their website,
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and they ask you some simple questions
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just from filling out that stuff in the first place,
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Apple has expanded their self-service repair program.
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And this was announced a while back
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and we got some iPhone components
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for select late model iPhones.
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And now the M1 MacBook Air, the M1 MacBook Pro
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and the 14 and 16 inch MacBook Pros have been added
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to the self service repair store.
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This is only in the US, but it's supposed to expand outside
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beyond the US including Europe later this year unknown.
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- Still continues to be later,
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but they've said it again like later.
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- Yeah, I mean there's some months left, you know.
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- Yeah, sure there's laters.
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had a moment the other day where I needed to schedule something for three months out. I was
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like, Oh, that's during the holidays. I'm like, Nope, I don't like that. So the self service
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repair for the MacBook Air and MacBook Pro, there's more than a dozen different repairs for each
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model. These include basically everything you think it would write the display, the top case
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of battery, which I'm going to come back to in a minute the trackpad with even more coming on again
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later. Jason actually over in Six Colors has a full list of all the parts. I would like, I would,
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I think we should read this, read this list. What do you guys think? Yeah. How do you want to,
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do you have a special way you like this? I think we round robin them. Okay, who starts? Federico
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and then Myke and then me. Okay. Okay, wow, this is an easy one. Antenna module, MacBook Air only.
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Audio board. Audio board flex cable. MacBook Air only. Battery.
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MacBook Air only. Battery Management Unit.
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BMU. Flex cable. Bottom case.
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Display. Display hinge covers.
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Embedded Display Port Flex Cable with Connector Calling.
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MBA. MacBook Air. And 13 inch MacBook Pro only.
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Well there's a parenthesis. No it's good. MacBook Pro only. Yeah the MacBook Air doesn't have any fans.
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I/O board, MacBook Air and 13-inch MacBook Pro only. Keycap replacement.
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LID angle sensor, LAS, module, 14 inch and 16 inch MacBook Pro only.
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Logic board, MagSafe 3 board, 14 and 16 inch MacBook Pro only.
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Speakers, MacBook Air and 13 inch MacBook Pro only.
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Top case, MacBook Air only.
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Top case with battery, MacBook Pro only.
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Touch ID board.
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trackpad and trackpad flex cable.
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USB-C boards, 14 and 16 inch MacBook Pro only.
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It's a lot of parts.
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So actually it is quite a lot of parts.
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I have a couple of questions.
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Keycap replacement.
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I'm intrigued at that because different, different?
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No, all the same, right?
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Cause the MacBook Air, yes.
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Well, even if they are different, you're ordering against your serial number.
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So they would know like if there's some discrete, small difference somewhere
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they'll send you the right thing I'm sure. On that you have to provide your
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serial number to get access to parts. You can buy the tools without the serial
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numbers but this is unlike the iPhone so with the iPhone you just go buy parts
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but to buy stuff from the Mac store you have to provide a serial number. 9to5Mac
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spoke with the support team and confirmed that you can only swap out
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out matching parts.
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Basically, you can't use this as a way
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to get more RAM for your computer and stuff like that.
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- Yeah, this is how, I mean, a hundred years ago
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when I was in this business, this is how it worked then too.
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Like you were trading like for like parts.
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So if you were replacing a logic board
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with a two gigahertz core two duo,
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you were putting that same logic board exactly
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back in the machine.
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and Apple verified when you sent parts back
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that you weren't doing something like this.
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And I would imagine now
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that basically everything is the logic board.
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Like they're gonna be really, really careful
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to make sure people are doing
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what they're supposed to do here.
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I think it's interesting reading this list too.
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It's very clear in reading this
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that the MacBook Air and the MacBook Pro,
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the 13 inch are the old design
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because they don't have MagSafe.
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They don't have the USB-C ports as separate daughterboards.
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So like on the 14 to 16, if you break the USB-C port,
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you're not replacing the whole logic board.
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It's its own discrete component
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that you fish out of there and plug in a new one.
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So it's kind of interesting to see the differences to me
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as someone who spent a lot of time
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taking these things apart over the years
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to kind of see where this line is drawn
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between these models.
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I'm going to put my serial number in.
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- What repair type do we wanna look at?
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We've got audio board, battery management,
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basically the parts, right?
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- What do you wanna know?
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- I think we do logic board.
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Let's go for the big one.
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Logic board, processing your request.
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Man, it's taking a long time.
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It's just spinning here.
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- It's not a good website,
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but we've talked about that before.
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- So it pre-fills a bunch of stuff.
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So it's pre-filled, 10 core, 24 core GPU,
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64 gigabytes memory, two terabyte SSD.
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So it's pre-filled that, so I press search.
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It will cost $2,550.24 to change the logic board,
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which comes with the touch ID board.
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And I would, but off the credit,
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so you can send the old items back to them.
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If they accept them, it would cost me $500 total.
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- Yeah, it's basically a core charge,
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very common in the repair industry.
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It's definitely true for cars too, right?
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Like if you need an alternator,
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they send you your old one back
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and you get a discount or something.
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So none of that's super unusual.
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I mean, there are some, you know,
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there are some things to talk about here,
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I think in terms of how,
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like how useful this program actually is.
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And we talked about this in the,
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when it was out for the iPhone too,
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that, you know, most consumers aren't going to want to do this.
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Right? Most people are not going to open a phone or a laptop, they
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would if it needs a repair, they'd rather spend the $500 or
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whatever it is with the Apple Store or with a service provider.
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And then they know that it's being done correctly by someone
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who knows what they're doing, who has the expertise and the
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tools and stuff already. This is great for people who want to do
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their own thing. And there are a lot of people in our audience
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who probably would take advantage of this
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if something came up.
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I know that if I had a machine that needed something,
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I would definitely be tempted to do it.
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But again, I have the expertise to do this sort of thing.
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I already have a bunch of the tools too,
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at least to do the Mac stuff.
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It's not like crazy iPhone panini presses or anything.
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It's just screwdrivers and that sort of thing
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to take these apart.
00:41:13
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- Yes, the tools are a little bit more...
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- Pedestrian?
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Pedestrians are good friends. They're logical but yeah, but yeah, they're like it's just different, right?
00:41:24
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It's just like these the Mac tools are like they just like tools. Yeah
00:41:29
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Yeah, you can buy a nice set of like, you know torques bits from I fix it and go at it
00:41:34
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So and they have some stuff like they have like specialized key cap levers
00:41:37
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It's just like a 3d printed things but like, you know, they've just got like the toolkit
00:41:42
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Is a tool kit. It's not like this huge 80 pounds of machinery
00:41:48
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Yeah, like a pound thing. It's just like a box like a pelican case with a bunch of tools in it, you know, so
00:41:54
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It's more kind of like what you would expect. I
00:41:59
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Got that really cool screwdriver. I got you for your birthday. It's a very good screwdriver. It's very good
00:42:08
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The folks that I fix it had some commentary on this that I thought was interesting and I actually don't necessarily agree with them
00:42:15
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They had a blog post up
00:42:18
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basically complaining about the the battery repair in the MacBook Pro and
00:42:24
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There you can go read the blog post. It's long what it boils down to is
00:42:29
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That on some of these models to replace the battery you're actually replacing the battery keyboard and top case as
00:42:36
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One component and they say well on one hand
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You know the iPhone or the iPad Apple's actually done some things to make it easier to replace the battery
00:42:45
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I mean still you're still heating it up and dealing with adhesives and all that stuff. But you know, it's it's a
00:42:50
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Discrete component where on some of the MacBook Pros that's actually not the case and they they quote that it takes 162 pages of
00:42:59
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Repair guide to get you to the place where you're doing the battery keyboard top case on the MacBook Pro
00:43:04
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The way these machines are built and the way they've been built since the unibody introduction
00:43:13
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2008 on the MacBook Pro so 14 years, you know 15 years if you go back to the original MacBook Air is
00:43:19
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the top case is the structure of these machines and
00:43:23
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Everything is built attached to the top case
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So if you take your laptop and you close it and you turn it upside down
00:43:30
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So you're looking at the feet in the bottom case that bottom case is just a thin piece of metal all the structure
00:43:37
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And all the screw bosses and everything is attached
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to that top case.
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And so when you're replacing something like the battery,
00:43:47
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you know, Apple has for a long time
00:43:51
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made the battery and keyboard and top case all one component.
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And I think iFixit's complaint is,
00:43:58
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well, shouldn't the battery be a bit more modular?
00:44:01
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And I don't necessarily disagree with that,
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but at the same time,
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like I think if they had the expectation
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that Apple is going to radically change
00:44:09
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they're going to design and build their products with the
00:44:12
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foreknowledge of them being in the self service repair program
00:44:16
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in the future. Clearly, they're not going to do that. And I, you
00:44:20
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know, I don't know if hoping that they would what was the
00:44:23
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right move or not, because Apple knows that a very, very, very
00:44:29
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small percentage of people are ever going to take advantage of
00:44:32
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this program. And the people who get paid to take these things
00:44:35
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apart, have the correct training, and the tools and the
00:44:38
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expertise to do it. And that's not going to change right? Like
00:44:42
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if I was still in the Apple authorized service provider
00:44:45
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business, and this came out, I would not be nervous. I would
00:44:48
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not worry about this shutting down my service business because
00:44:51
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show most people aren't going to crack open their 14 inch MacBook
00:44:54
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Pro. So I get what I fix it saying. And I agree that yeah,
00:44:58
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it'd be nicer if it were easier, but I don't necessarily think
00:45:01
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that was going to be a reasonable expectation. And I
00:45:05
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would say that when it's really going to get interesting is when
00:45:08
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the iMac and the Mac studio show up on this website because they are much more difficult
00:45:16
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to open than a MacBook Pro or a MacBook Air they are more akin to iPhones.
00:45:23
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Now I have not opened a you know one of the new M1 iMacs but the Intel iMacs for years
00:45:30
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there's been a strip of adhesive between the glass and the aluminum that you get this little
00:45:34
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tool and you actually cut the adhesive from the outside and then you have to like peel
00:45:39
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the thing off and clean it.
00:45:40
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It's all this really big project.
00:45:43
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It's not hard if you have the skills, but it's time consuming.
00:45:46
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And if you don't have the skills and I've done this in front of people, you're like
00:45:49
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putting SSDs and IMAX and stuff and everyone's like, Oh my God, like what are you doing?
00:45:53
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The sound it makes, you know, you're going to drop the screen, like all of these concerns.
00:45:57
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So I don't, I don't know how happy iFix is going to be about that either.
00:46:00
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And I would say to iFix it look, and I really like iFix it.
00:46:03
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that I have a bunch of their tools,
00:46:04
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I've used a bunch of their parts,
00:46:05
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I will continue to do so.
00:46:06
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Overall, this is a good thing that this is out here.
00:46:09
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So like, take a breath, that's what I'm saying.
00:46:12
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Take a victory lap because iFixit in particular
00:46:15
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has led the way to right to repair
00:46:18
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leading to programs like this.
00:46:20
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And so I get what they're saying,
00:46:22
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but I kind of felt weird reading the blog post.
00:46:25
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- Breaking, Stephen Hackett slams iFixit,
00:46:28
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says take a breath.
00:46:29
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- Yeah, I can see the headline,
00:46:32
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Indie blogger slams iFixit.
00:46:35
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- Calls them hysterical.
00:46:37
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- Wow. - Wow.
00:46:38
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- I mean, I agree with you, but like, look,
00:46:43
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you know, this is iFixit's whole thing, right?
00:46:48
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- They're never gonna be happy with anything
00:46:50
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Apple's ever going to do in this arena.
00:46:54
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Because the two, like in the same way
00:46:58
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say that apple is never going to do what i fix it wants them to do i fix it to
00:47:01
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never going to be happy with what apple does like these are two opposing forces
00:47:06
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over this issue where, like apple are being dragged kicking and screaming
00:47:11
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because of the work of people like i fix it towards a better right to repair
00:47:15
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strategy, but apple are never going to be like like that laptop where you can
00:47:21
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pull out the parts of the framework, the framework laptop, they're never going
00:47:24
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like that. They're just not. And like, because that product has a bunch of design issues
00:47:30
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because of the fact that it is how it is. And Apple is just not going to be like that.
00:47:34
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So they're happier to do something like this where they can tick the box. Technically they
00:47:39
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can say you can, users can do this if they want to, but then at the same time continue
00:47:44
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to make it easier for users to get their parts in for repairs at proper places would be,
00:47:52
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the right I think is a better move ultimately. You know maybe at some point
00:47:56
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we will do this I'm sure that in the coming days we'll see people on YouTube
00:48:01
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getting their their hands on the stuff and that'll be interesting to see you
00:48:04
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know probably less interesting than the iPhone because again you get two road
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- So I think this was last week Federico made mention
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to using a different Twitter client.
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- Yes, that was last week.
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- And you shared, well, we could work it out
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'cause it was in the tweets.
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- Spring, yes.
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- Can I just say before you get into this,
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I've been trying out this app a little bit.
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I cannot remember the name of this application.
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There is something about it where I'm like what's called swipe everything whenever I'm trying to search for it. I
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Can't remember its name. I think there's just something about the word spring which I get doesn't connect with Twitter in my brain
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And so like I haven't been able to like make a link
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But yeah, I can never remember the name spring spring scholar
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Just call it teachy tweet or something and then you're gonna remember
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But I can't find that by searching you could make a shortcut name
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Whatever you said true teach you tweet tweet and then launch that that launches the ass
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But anyway, yeah, I promised I would talk about this and and yes, let's talk about it
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So I've been using the app for the past couple of weeks, you know me
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I'm always on the lookout for cool new stuff made by indie developers. This is one of them. I
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I am really, really impressed with this third-party Twitter
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It's been around for a while.
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I was familiar with it before.
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I took it for a spin, I want to say, last year,
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maybe a couple of years ago.
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I don't know how long it's been around,
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but I remember checking this out a while back,
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not being impressed with it.
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And then I got a couple of emails from readers
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and a message from a Discord member saying, hey,
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I don't know if you ever checked out the app.
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I'm not affiliated with the developer or anything.
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I just think it's something you should check out.
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And they were right. - That's what they all say,
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Federico, that's how they get you, you know.
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- Do you think it's secretly like a ring of people
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who are affiliated with developers?
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I don't know. - I would say
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there probably is some of that,
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but I doubt in this case.
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- Interesting, interesting theory.
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So we'll explore that at some point.
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For now, we'll get into that.
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for now. So this is the kind of Twitter client that, like, it's got that sort of vibe of "I can't
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believe no one is talking about this" sort of vibe. Like, this app is so good, but it's not typically,
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you know, included in the roundups of, like, "What's a third-party Twitter client on Apple
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platforms?" Well, Tweetbot and Twitterrific and maybe Aviary, like, these are the usual names that
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you see. I personally find, at the moment, right now, this app superior to everything else.
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So it covers all the bases, right? It's got iCutSync, it's got push notifications based on the new Twitter API,
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so it can alert you for DMs, but also it's got some cool settings for push notifications.
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This is a common theme of the app, it's got some cool settings. I'll explain this in a few minutes.
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It can tell you, for example, what someone you follow also replies to you, kind of like in the Twitter app.
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It's got that sort of push notification. It's got tons of keyboard shortcuts. It supports
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multi-window on the iPad. It's available on the Mac, so you can get a single consistent
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experience on iPhone, iPad, and the Mac. And this is the thing that impressed me.
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It feels very native to Apple platforms. So, for example, native context menus everywhere,
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integration with shortcuts, custom app icons, as I mentioned, keyboard shortcuts, like all the latest
00:54:51
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and greatest technologies, this app uses them. I'll get into this in a minute, but this is one
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of the very few third-party apps that already use center windows, if you use the traditional
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split view slide-over environment, which means, as a side benefit, because this developer did the
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work to support center windows last year, now this app works perfectly in Stage Manager as well,
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out of the box. So that was pretty cool. Now, as I said a minute ago, one of the common themes
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with Spring is infinite customization. And I think it's been done in a very thoughtful way
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that doesn't feel as daunting as something like iCab or, I don't know, Obsidian, like those apps
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that basically have like pages and pages of settings. This app has a lot of settings but
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they are very well organized and the most important customization feature I think is the fact that
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you can fully customize the entire tab bar of the app. And by fully customized I really mean it,
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like you don't want to have the main home timeline, you can rearrange it on screen in
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in the tab bar and put it elsewhere. You can change the labels, like the names, of all
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the tab bar items. You can change the icons for every single tab bar item, choosing from
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the whole collection of SF symbols. But most importantly, you can make your own tabs. And
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this is what really sticks out for me and why I find this app, besides well designed
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them fast and very native to iPhone and iPad, but just useful. The idea that you can...
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This is, I guess, the key feature of Spring. You can turn everything you want into a section,
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into a tab, including saved searches. So, for example, I like to view my mentions on
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Twitter as a combination of replies and people who quote tweet my tweets. I had an article
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a few years ago on Mac, sorry about this, on how you can build this sort of search yourself
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using the advanced Twitter search operators. I just like to view replies and quote tweets
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in the same screen. That saved search, I made it into my mentions tab in Spring. Just like
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that. You can search for stuff.
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Because you can like customize what tabs are, right?
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- Yeah, and you can create new tabs.
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Like you can customize the existing ones,
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but you can also make new ones.
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That's the idea.
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And it goes beyond that.
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So saved searches or any kind of search can become a tab.
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A user profile can become its own tab.
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So let's say you really like Myke
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and you're really into checking the follower count
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for Myke Hurley, you can turn Myke's profile
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into a tab in Spring.
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So every once in a while, you're like,
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"Hey, let me check on Myke's follower account."
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And you're like, you open that tab and you can see it.
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In my case, I had a less creepy use case,
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which is I'm logged in with my personal account,
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but I also wanna quickly get access
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to the Mac Stories profile to see like,
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not just the followers, but like the latest tweets
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that we shared for articles.
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And so the Mac Stories profile is pinned
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to my top bar as its own tab.
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The top bar, like on the iPhone,
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obviously you're limited in space at the bottom,
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but there's a couple of things you can do.
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First, you can put items in an overflow menu
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so that all the extra tabs that don't fit
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at the bottom of the screen, you can get them in a menu,
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or you can make the top bar scrollable horizontally.
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So you can scroll through
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and you can reach all the other tabs.
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On the iPad, it's much better.
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You can also increase it up to nine.
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Nine things.
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But it gets kind of awkward to tap elements.
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On the iPad, it's much better because the top bar
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is this thin strip on the left edge of the screen,
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and it fits a ton of items because there's
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a ton of vertical space there.
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So yeah, being able to turn anything into its own tab
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into a custom section, that's lovely.
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This is one of the few apps, one of the few third-party apps that lets you view retweets
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and likes to your tweets or someone else's tweets.
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In the context menu, which you can also customize obviously, like the entire context menu that
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you get when you long press or right click on a tweet, that's also customizable, that
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menu has two buttons called "view retweets" and "view likes".
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"Hey, I like to see what people like and retweet my stuff, so that helps."
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Typically, I would have to use the Twitter app or Twitter website for that, but here
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I can do it in Spring.
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Timeline filters are incredible.
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So there's this filter button at the top of the timeline.
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This is not a new idea, but I think it's been done better in Spring.
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So you can filter your timeline based on type of tweet or content.
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So for example, you can exclude retweets or quote tweets or threads or replies, or you
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can just view original tweets.
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And then you can mix and match this with content types.
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So you can do things like show me all articles, like show me all links that are also original
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tweets, or show me all retweets that are images or that are GIFs.
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becomes like a really fun way to open just memes from your timeline. Like, show me retweets that
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are also animated GIFs. You can mix and match these filters and you can save them and you can
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pin them, like, the whole deal. Filtering the timeline is incredible. There's a notifications tab
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that is similar to the Twitter one. It aggregates your activity. So notifications, how many people
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liked or retweeted your tweets. It doesn't update as, like, it's not as real time as
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Twitter's official thing.
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I find the information presentation of that tab specifically to be quite awkward.
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Like, I can see that, like, they're going for what Twitter does.
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But I think, like, there are a few things, like, the profile pictures are way larger
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than the content that it's referring to, for example.
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But I appreciate that this is like the only third-party app that I've seen do this and
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threading in the way that it does them.
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They do the threading in the timeline just like, or very similar to how Twitter does
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Which I miss in third-party applications, honestly.
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I am so used to the Twitter app and the Twitter website to when somebody replies to something
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to see the original tweet in the context of that reply.
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And Spring does it, just like Twitter.
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And if you don't like it, you can turn it off.
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Again, there's the kind of stuff that you
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can customize in settings.
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So yeah, it's really about this collection of small features
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that may be taken on their own.
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They don't seem like much, but together they really
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adapt to this kind of experience that combines some of the things
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that I do like about Twitter's official products,
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but also some of the many other conveniences
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of third-party apps, like no ads and a ton
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of Apple-native features.
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Lastly, I do want to mention how this app deals on the iPad
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with columns and windows.
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And this is maybe the area where I
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wish the developer had done things a bit differently.
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So you can open detailed views for tweets or profiles in a secondary column.
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But you cannot open multiple columns like you used to do in TweetDeck or how you can
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do in Aviary or how you can do in TweetBot for Mac.
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You cannot spawn column after column after column.
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You cannot do that.
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Instead, the app lets you open multiple windows.
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So that's how I've been using it on the iPad.
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Just one window with my home timeline and another window for a saved search or something
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else like my mentions.
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But I do wish that you could actually have one window for Spring but multiple vertical
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I find this to be incredibly weird and complicated.
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Most of the time where I'm using Spring, the column on the right is empty.
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And like, that is very strange to me.
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You know what I'm saying?
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Using it on the iPad and on the Mac.
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Like that column on the right, I can only seem to fill that column if I click on something
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where I would like say, to just choose what goes in that column.
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I find that to be really weird because most of the time that is just an empty, it's either
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it empty or it is filled with something that I'm not interested in anymore.
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Because I clicked on a tweet and got more context with it, but then I just left it there
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and it's like an hour later and that tweet is still just strange. That's an odd design choice.
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Exactly, yeah, exactly. I agree. I hope the developer listens to our feedback maybe here
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and that they rethink the way that columns work on the app.
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But so far, I'm doing OK with multi-window on the iPad.
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And as I mentioned, this app works very well
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with Stage Manager already, because it fully
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supports multi-window.
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So there's that.
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But yeah, typically, when I switch back
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to a third-party client, two things happen.
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I either find myself constantly opening the Twitter website
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as a fallback because there's always information that I'm missing from a third-party client,
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or I just go back to the main Twitter app on my iPhone after like a week.
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And I'm not doing that since I started using Spring.
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And I think for me a huge part of that is being able to pin saved searches anywhere
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in the apps UI, but also having real multi-window support and having the threading in the server
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The timeline is also huge for me, and being able to see who liked or retweeted my tweets.
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Those features that are inspired by the Twitter app, I think those are combined with the sort
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of things that I expect from a quality indie experience, like context menus, multi-window,
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keyboard shortcuts.
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Those two things combined are helping me stick with Spring and, you know, yeah.
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I really like it.
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If you're, like, I guess what I would say is if you're curious about a different take
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on a third-party Twitter client, there's a Lite version on the App Store.
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So it's one of those apps that does it old school.
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You can get the Lite version, see if you like it, and then get the full version.
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I have a couple of other things that I've observed.
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One I like, one I think I like and one I don't like, the thing I don't like is for an app
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that has so many settings, let me turn off the trending search, like trending search
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results on the search page.
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Just let me turn that off.
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I don't want to see this at all if I don't need to and I would prefer to not see it,
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especially because they don't have ones that are even like customized to me a little bit.
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In Twitter, I don't like the trends at all, but at least sometimes the stuff that I'm
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interested in, like if there's big Formula One news or whatever, they do a good job of
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showing it to me, but I hate the trends.
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The thing that is intriguing to me is the default way in which retweets are shown, which
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is like a quote tweet.
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So if you just retweet something, it shows your account and then the embedded tweet instead
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of like the tweet that you've retweeted and like a marker you can change it back to what
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they call like the standard traditional retweet layout.
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Which I did.
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And I just haven't, I'm just not sure yet.
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I'm just like I've been trying it out and like it's interesting but I don't know why
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they choose to do it this way but it's interesting.
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Yeah I'm not sure either I ended up not liking it so I went back to the regular retweet design.
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I think I'm going to too, but it was just an intriguing design thing for me where I
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have kept bumping up against it where I keep looking for the context of that, of what looks
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to be a quote tweet.
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But it's at least interesting as like a, because I don't know what technically the right thing
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Should you, I think if you retweet something, should you be more or less attached to it?
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I don't know.
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It's an interesting app.
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Steven, I think you don't like it, right?
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I don't love it.
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A lot of my complaints with it come down to design decisions.
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I love the customization.
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I love everything that Frederick, who you walked through.
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I find a lot of the UI like difficult to get to look nice.
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An example is quote tweets, right?
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Which are a big part of Twitter now.
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And the design of those, something about the way they're, they're inset.
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And like they have a background in light and in dark mode.
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I find it difficult to like understand what it's tied to.
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Maybe that's just a white space issue.
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'Cause I do think even with all the typeface adjustments,
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like everything feels a bit too crowded and busy everywhere.
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And I've gone through and turned off what I can,
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but I feel like there's a level of polish in the UI
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that maybe isn't what it could be.
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And maybe that's a, you know,
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Maybe that's a trade off with the ability to customize everything.
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But the other thing that's that I don't love about it is that it's,
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it's super customizable, but those customizations don't sync.
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You instead have a export, an export import function where you can like
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airdrop. So I've had on my phone and my Mac and you,
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it like exports a configuration file and I airdropped it to my Mac.
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And then I imported it to spring on the Mac,
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which spring on the Mac is not very good.
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It's like very obvious that it's the iPad version.
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And a lot of the UI stuff is way too big
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and really feels pretty weird.
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So for me, like I'm glad it's here.
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I'm glad people are still experimenting in this space,
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but between Tweetbot and the official app,
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I just don't think there's room for it for me.
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- I think I like it more than Tweetbot.
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- Really? - Personally, yeah.
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I think it has just more features that I jive with.
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The biggest one for me is just like the,
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it is the threading layout.
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Like I really don't like when I'm in Tweetbot
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and like I see a tweet and it's like, what is this even?
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Like, what is this referring to?
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It just seems like weird.
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Like I find myself in, when I'm using Tweetbot so often,
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needing to get more information on a tweet.
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Like I have to click into the tweet
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and see what this is replying to
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because like I can tell it's replying to something,
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but I don't know what that is.
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And I feel like it's just bad at this point.
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Like that is a thing that you got to find a way to work on
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because this is just how Twitter is used by people.
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And I like that this app has it.
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And there's just like a couple of other things
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like you can mark the Amazon red.
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I just like that I have that feed.
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There's just like a lot of features like,
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is this is quote unquote beautiful?
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No, but like I think it is a better experience
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for modern Twitter than Tweetbot is now,
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for like what it does.
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It's not perfect, right?
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But I think is, especially on the iPhone,
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I think better and it's closer to what I'm looking for now.
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- I did have the thought that,
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"Oh, this makes Tweetbot look really outdated."
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And is Spring doing things that are available to Tweetbot
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that they just haven't taken advantage of,
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like the threading?
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know is that and I just don't know like is that part of the Twitter API or is
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something that they've figured out on their own but there's definitely
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features in this app the tweet bot doesn't have that tweet bot should have
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at least optionally yeah I don't know what the answer is to that right my
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expectation is whatever the answer is they should tweet bot should have done
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it as well unless Springs doing things that maybe they shouldn't because maybe
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it's a smaller application it's getting away of it I don't know the answer to
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to that, right? But the threading thing, if Twitter does provide you an API, surely that
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is a solvable thing. Like, you could work that out, right? Like tweets are connected.
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I don't know.
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I mean, someone has, so, you know.
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Yeah, somebody has.
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In a comment to TechCrunch, Apple notes, "This is an especially big year for..."
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That's an app, Apple Notes.
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Apple has said, "This is an especially big year for iPadOS. It's its own platform with
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features specifically designed for iPad. We have the flexibility to deliver iPadOS on
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on its own schedule. This fall, iPadOS will ship after iOS as version 16.1 in a free software
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Hey, don't you know?
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This is a just beautifully written statement.
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Yes, yes. It's like they just realized that they have flexibility now.
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We can do whatever we want.
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It's a feature specifically designed for the iPad that are also on the Mac.
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And they're also very broken right now.
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Yeah, it's so PR-ish.
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AKA flexibility.
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Where people see bugs, we see opportunities.
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That's the mantra for Apple VR.
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You see problems, we see flexibility.
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It's such a beautiful job done here with this statement.
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As a bonus, it's gonna be free.
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unlike other iPadOS releases.
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Hey, look, they used to be paid 12 years ago.
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Sal Bains Hogsley, baby.
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I know, yeah.
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Do you wanna go back to that?
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Nope, no, I do not.
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So this is out in beta.
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What is new in 16.1, Federico?
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So stage manager in 16.1.
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They added some new options,
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plus button to create a new window for an app that supports multiple windows is in a
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better spot now, still takes way too many taps and clicks to get to that spot, but at
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least now it's visible.
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And now you can invoke the strip of recent apps by swiping with your finger on the screen
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from the edge of the display, even if the app that you're using is in full screen,
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so you don't have to resize it anymore, now you can just invoke it with a swipe,
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the strip also appears in portrait orientation now.
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So that's something else that they fixed that
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didn't make a lot of sense before, why it was not available in portrait.
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But the thing is, in doing this, it's one step forward,
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four to five steps back in that the constant crashes. And by constant, I mean, like, literally
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on my iPad. Now, I don't know if the problem is me or if other people have the same problem,
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but like on my iPad, when I do regular things, I'm not doing anything so fancy, like I'm not exporting
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video or rendering 3D stuff. Like, no, I'm just taking notes and browsing Twitter. But it crashes
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every 15 minutes or something. Just that. And it takes you back to the lock screen and
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you've got to start over. So that's still happening. I tried it again last night just
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to make sure. If anything, they made the window snapping behavior even more aggressive than
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before. It feels like even more than in previous betas, the system takes away the control from
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me when it comes to where I want to place windows. And that was always true of stage
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manager, that's partly the idea of stage manager, like, "Hey, don't worry about Windows, we'll
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position them for you." But it felt like they had a better balance of, you know, the system's
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control and your sense of control. I feel like it was better balanced before. And now,
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I also feel like it's easier to cover the strip of recent apps.
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It's almost like the system doesn't think there's enough space to show you the recents
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And all the other problems are still here.
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Working with external displays is still very much broken at a fundamental design level.
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Broken that is.
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workspaces from the iPads display to an external display is still way too slow. The dock gets
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accidentally covered by windows that resize themselves every few minutes. Like the list
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goes on and on and on. I hope they can get it done by October. Have they mentioned October
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specifically? No, no. They just said this fall. It'll come out when it's ready. I hope
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they will be ready. And now I can tell you this, I think they are very much receptive
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to feedback at this point. But also, I get the impression that they, you know, Hubris
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gets in the way with these companies sometimes. And I feel like there may have been a problem
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for half of this summer, that they were maybe so proud of this design, that they started
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listening to feedback a little later in the process, and now look where we are. Now I
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get the impression that they're listening, but they had to delay the thing because of
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I don't know. I hope it gets better. I can tell you that I tried it for about an hour
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last night. I saw what I had to see, and I went back to Split View and slide over once
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again. So yeah, that's how it's going.
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There was a section on ATP last week where Casey was rightfully upset about providing
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feedback in like July and being told, "Oh, that's way too late."
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Like, when do you want me to do it?
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Yeah, seriously.
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Do you want me to stay up late at night during the week of WWDC just so that I can file feedback
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early for you?
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Like, at this point, give me a salary if you want that, you know?
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Like, seriously.
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But I do think that in this moment, there's a little window of time here, right, before
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they pick a new direction and go down or decide, oh, we're just going to fix this, this and
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that. But I mean, I'm glad they're doing it. Like, it's not unprecedented. They did it
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with what iOS 13, right, like 13.0 was only on new phones, and then 13.1, I guess, unified
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it for everybody. So they are willing to do this when they feel like it's necessary. And,
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you know, what are we going to get? Are we going to get a month maybe, because there's
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probably iPad hardware and if there's iPad hardware they want this out in time
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for the holidays we'll see you know we'll see if really what an extra three
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or four weeks can buy them what if they ship 16 on iPad hardware and 16.1 still
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comes later just like those iPhones it could be yeah it could be or or could 16
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ship on new iPads without stage manager and then it comes in 16.1 who knows
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Guys, I have an idea. I think Apple, if Apple wants more and better feedback earlier, I
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think they should gamify filing feedback. If you're a developer, each 10 feedbacks that
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you file, you get an expedited app review made by a real human.
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Or just one free card. You can put anything you want in the app.
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Or you get points in your account, in your developer account, you get, I don't know.
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But yeah, look, I honestly don't know. It feels like there's a, there are two different
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conversations happening here. One is, okay, this is stage manager. I am sort of into the
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idea. I think I can use this, but there are technical issues and some design problems.
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And I think I am sort of in that camp. Like I think I can use stage manager. I think I
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can live with the system arranging windows on my behalf, but there are tons of problems right now.
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There's the other camp of people saying, "Well, this whole thing, like all of it,
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is fundamentally wrong, and you need to go back to the drawing board and redo it all. Like,
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this idea of the recent apps on the left, this idea of the system not letting you resize windows,
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Because like all of it is wrong and we don't want it.
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So there are these two factions right now.
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I don't think Apple will listen to the second one.
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I don't think Apple will say, "Ah, turns out we were wrong.
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We're not doing this anymore.
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Sorry, see you next year."
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I don't think they're going to do that.
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I think they will work really hard on pleasing the first group of people.
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Well, I want to see if next year, next WWDC, Stage Manager is a lot different from what
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it is today.
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Because I think short term, it would be very awkward for Apple to pull it.
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But long term, I also think they want to make pro users happier than they are with Stage
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So they're kind of stuck in between, and it's a very awkward situation at the moment, I
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want to find links to stuff we spoke about this week head on over to the
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website relay.fm/connected/412 there in the sidebar you'll see a
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link to email us with any feedback or follow-up you can also join and get
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connected Pro which is a longer ad-free version of the show each and every week
01:24:03
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this week the three of us designed our own iPhones and you can you can see
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those in the notes for the Pro Show you can find us all online you can find Myke
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on Twitter as I M Y K E. He's the host of a bunch of other shows here on Relay FM. You
01:24:19
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can find Federico Evatici, V I T I C C I, and he of course is the editor-in-chief of
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MaxStories.net, which will be home to his iOS and iPadOS 16 review and coverage. You
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all have been doing stuff all summer. It's been great.
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Reviews! Reviews! Reviews!
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Reviews! Reviews!
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Don't give people the wrong idea, you know?
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You can find me on Twitter as ismh and I write over at 512pixels.net.
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Until next time, guys, say goodbye.
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Arrivederci.