Connected

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00:00:02 ◼   ► Hello and welcome to Connected episode 412.

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00:00:19 ◼   ► My name is Stephen Hackett and I'm joined

00:00:20 ◼   ► by Mr. Myke Hurley.

00:00:22 ◼   ► Hello.

00:00:23 ◼   ► Are you okay?

00:00:25 ◼   ► I was drinking water when you were talking.

00:00:28 ◼   ► Instead of just waiting like a sensible person, I decided I would drink the water really quickly

00:00:34 ◼   ► and that made everything way worse.

00:00:37 ◼   ► I am joined by a more competent podcaster, Federico Vittucci.

00:00:42 ◼   ► Hello, I am not drinking water and it's good to be here.

00:00:46 ◼   ► You should, in general.

00:00:48 ◼   ► Okay, okay, let me drink water then, jeez, okay.

00:00:51 ◼   ► Please.

00:00:51 ◼   ► Here, I'm drinking water.

00:00:52 ◼   ► It's good to be hydrated.

00:00:54 ◼   ► I got some too.

00:00:54 ◼   ► Good to be hydrated.

00:00:57 ◼   ► One of the most important things as a podcaster is to be hydrated.

00:00:59 ◼   ► Water's good, you know?

00:01:01 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:01:02 ◼   ► So it's a good drink.

00:01:03 ◼   ► Let's start with some follow-up.

00:01:05 ◼   ► Myke, I have good news for you.

00:01:07 ◼   ► Excellent.

00:01:08 ◼   ► Your mobility wear solitaire game is on Apple Arcade.

00:01:12 ◼   ► Incredible.

00:01:13 ◼   ► Who knew?

00:01:15 ◼   ► Caleb knew.

00:01:16 ◼   ► Caleb sent this in.

00:01:17 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:01:18 ◼   ► You need to download this and write a review on Mac stories.

00:01:21 ◼   ► I don't want to do that.

00:01:23 ◼   ► That is like a job which I wouldn't enjoy, I think.

00:01:27 ◼   ► But I'm happy that it still exists.

00:01:30 ◼   ► I don't really like Solitaire that much.

00:01:32 ◼   ► So this is like a similar thing of like there was just not many games

00:01:36 ◼   ► because John Voorhees also had "Jurbo Match" or whatever it was called

00:01:41 ◼   ► in his top 10.

00:01:42 ◼   ► I think it was just there wasn't a lot of apps, right?

00:01:45 ◼   ► So everybody downloaded what was there.

00:01:48 ◼   ► Yeah, it was "Oh, this looks fun. I'll check it out."

00:01:50 ◼   ► And I remember too, I think we probably spoke about this last week,

00:01:53 ◼   ► Part of it was just like the exploration of what was possible, right?

00:01:57 ◼   ► Because we just didn't know, you know, what developers could do.

00:02:01 ◼   ► And so I felt like for a long time, every new app I downloaded, like, it really didn't

00:02:06 ◼   ► add like new functionality or new experience to the iPhone.

00:02:10 ◼   ► That hasn't been true in a long time for the most part, but it's cool to look back.

00:02:16 ◼   ► That was a lot of fun last week.

00:02:18 ◼   ► On the last episode I surprised you both by letting you know that Shazam used to be a

00:02:24 ◼   ► call in service. A couple of days later Apple celebrated Shazam turning 20 years old and

00:02:30 ◼   ► noting that it used to be a call in service. Shazam launches as a text message service

00:02:36 ◼   ► August 2002. Based in the UK, at the time users could identify songs by dialing 2580

00:02:42 ◼   ► on their phone and holding it up as the song played. They were then sent an SMS message

00:02:45 ◼   ► telling them the song title and name of the artist. It comes from Apple's newsroom blog.

00:02:50 ◼   ► What's the international prefix for the UK? +44? +44, yep.

00:02:55 ◼   ► You're gonna try and call them? 0044 2580.

00:03:02 ◼   ► I don't know if it works anymore. Do you have music playing?

00:03:06 ◼   ► Well, I can. Let's see.

00:03:08 ◼   ► If it works.

00:03:09 ◼   ► Open music.

00:03:11 ◼   ► I mean, realistically, it would have been easier if you would have just asked

00:03:15 ◼   ► me to do this no it's not working you want me to try yes instead it's probably

00:03:23 ◼   ► makes more sense right let me see what happens two five eight zero that's good

00:03:30 ◼   ► it's just one straight line down it's a good number oh that's clever calling

00:03:35 ◼   ► please tell me somebody picks up tell them you're on a podcast nothing's

00:03:41 ◼   ► actually happening oh no it just says calling but there's no actual sound

00:03:46 ◼   ► that's sad your phone needs a cooling system like Federico's did in the pro

00:03:51 ◼   ► show mm-hmm yeah get connected pro co I don't think it's active okay it's not

00:03:57 ◼   ► active anymore that's what a ride though to go from a dial-in service in the UK

00:04:02 ◼   ► to being a option and control center on the iPhone like not sure I appreciate

00:04:09 ◼   ► the UK part of that. I mean just that it started in one country I didn't mean it

00:04:13 ◼   ► as a slide against your nation. Alright but here's the thing though no because if

00:04:17 ◼   ► if this would have started in America you wouldn't have said USA you you

00:04:21 ◼   ► wouldn't have said oh imagine that to have started as a call-in service to the

00:04:24 ◼   ► USA. Don't Casey list me I will not be Casey list. No you're Casey listing me is what's

00:04:30 ◼   ► happening. Federico you understand what I'm saying right if they would have been

00:04:34 ◼   ► an American service he wouldn't have said USA.

00:04:36 ◼   ► Hmm, yeah. Right? He wouldn't have said, oh, imagine that as a phone service in America

00:04:42 ◼   ► and now you're in control centers. Yeah, it was said in a slightly, not pejorative

00:04:49 ◼   ► way, but like, oh, from this cute small, quaint country in Europe, the UK. You may have heard

00:04:56 ◼   ► of it. Yeah. But most Americans refer to other countries like that.

00:05:02 ◼   ► Can you guys give me two minutes to go answer my door?

00:05:05 ◼   ► So now look at this.

00:05:07 ◼   ► He's backing away from the podcast.

00:05:09 ◼   ► You guys keep talking.

00:05:10 ◼   ► Whatever you say I'm going to leave in unless I decide not to leave it in.

00:05:13 ◼   ► I think I'm just going to wait until he comes back.

00:05:15 ◼   ► I don't have anything funny enough to say.

00:05:17 ◼   ► Unless you do Federico, do you have any grievances you want to air about Steven?

00:05:21 ◼   ► About Steven?

00:05:22 ◼   ► Well, not in particular.

00:05:27 ◼   ► He's a good person, you know.

00:05:28 ◼   ► He's a good man.

00:05:29 ◼   ► Oh, this is...

00:05:30 ◼   ► Now he will leave this in.

00:05:32 ◼   ► I don't have anything bad to say about Steven.

00:05:35 ◼   ► Every time I ask him for favors, he does them.

00:05:38 ◼   ► And very quickly also.

00:05:40 ◼   ► Should we just swear a bunch?

00:05:42 ◼   ► Before we started the recording, at all, Federico very excitedly told me,

00:05:50 ◼   ► to which I became very excited, that there's a new Arctic Monkeys album coming this year.

00:05:54 ◼   ► Mm-hmm.

00:05:55 ◼   ► So that's good news.

00:05:56 ◼   ► That's good, excellent news, called "The Car".

00:06:00 ◼   ► The car. That's the name of the album, The Car. You get to listen to and you're in the car?

00:06:04 ◼   ► Yeah. The car in the car? The car in the car. I'm kind of just waiting though.

00:06:11 ◼   ► Where has he gone even? I bet this is something to do with his calendar.

00:06:16 ◼   ► Hey. Oh hey. Was that something to do with your calendar? Was it the postman?

00:06:22 ◼   ► Well it was the FedEx man. Myke you know what this is. Secrets. Already? It's right here.

00:06:29 ◼   ► Oh, is it good? I don't know. Do we do a live unboxing? Just tell people what it is?

00:06:34 ◼   ► Yeah. Every September, we're just gonna do this. Relay FM raises money for St. Jude Children's

00:06:40 ◼   ► Research Hospital. It's a hospital and research institution that serves kids and their families

00:06:46 ◼   ► from all over the world. Their research is shared freely around the world and every September we

00:06:51 ◼   ► raise money for their work. This year, if you go to stjude.org/relay, you will see two options.

00:06:58 ◼   ► One, you can donate directly like you always have,

00:07:01 ◼   ► and there's some really cool rewards for that.

00:07:04 ◼   ► But if you want to sign up and do your own fundraising team

00:07:09 ◼   ► and fundraise alongside us and get your family

00:07:11 ◼   ► and friends and coworkers involved,

00:07:13 ◼   ► there's a different set of really cool rewards for that.

00:07:18 ◼   ► - Incentives, incentives I think is the legal word

00:07:21 ◼   ► we're supposed to use.

00:07:22 ◼   ► - One of them, I got the test print.

00:07:25 ◼   ► We did a desk mat of the co-founder sticker head artwork.

00:07:30 ◼   ► Oh.

00:07:34 ◼   ► My gosh.

00:07:39 ◼   ► - So I have just put in the Discord

00:07:41 ◼   ► and people can see it stjude.org/relay.

00:07:44 ◼   ► You can scroll down and see an artist's rendition

00:07:47 ◼   ► of the desk mat.

00:07:48 ◼   ► - Oh my God.

00:07:49 ◼   ► - But Steven just received the first test sample

00:07:52 ◼   ► of the desk mat. - This is incredible.

00:07:53 ◼   ► - Come on, I need a picture.

00:07:55 ◼   ► Okay, let me, it's really big.

00:07:56 ◼   ► I need to sit on my floor, hang on.

00:07:58 ◼   ► - So I'll talk a little bit more.

00:07:59 ◼   ► So we're gonna be kind of kicking off

00:08:01 ◼   ► the official proper messaging about this next week.

00:08:04 ◼   ► That was the plan, but you can go and see all of this now

00:08:07 ◼   ► at sttude.org/relay.

00:08:08 ◼   ► And as Stephen said, you can give yourself,

00:08:12 ◼   ► and there are a bunch of great rewards for that.

00:08:15 ◼   ► We have a sticker pack, but also some wallpapers.

00:08:17 ◼   ► And this year, just an incredible macOS screensaver

00:08:21 ◼   ► that James Thompson made,

00:08:23 ◼   ► which is just unbelievably incredible.

00:08:26 ◼   ► These will be available and sent out

00:08:27 ◼   ► after the campaign is over.

00:08:29 ◼   ► And so you can donate and that's amazing.

00:08:31 ◼   ► But if you sign up and fundraise on our behalf,

00:08:34 ◼   ► where you'll be fundraising yourself

00:08:36 ◼   ► and you can go out to your friends,

00:08:38 ◼   ► your family, your coworkers, maybe you can stream,

00:08:40 ◼   ► maybe you can share it on your podcast, on your website.

00:08:42 ◼   ► Anybody that raises $1 gets a Relay FM challenge coin,

00:08:47 ◼   ► Relay FM St. Jude challenge coin.

00:08:49 ◼   ► These are only available to people that raise

00:08:51 ◼   ► at least $1 for fundraising themselves.

00:08:54 ◼   ► But if you raise over $250,

00:08:56 ◼   ► you will receive a desk mat of the co-founder heads.

00:09:00 ◼   ► Oh my God, it looks incredible and it's huge.

00:09:02 ◼   ► - Yeah, I put a field notes on it for size.

00:09:05 ◼   ► - It's so good.

00:09:07 ◼   ► - It's really good.

00:09:08 ◼   ► - Wow, it's so good.

00:09:10 ◼   ► I'm getting one soon.

00:09:11 ◼   ► So we'll be doing a lot of streaming throughout September.

00:09:15 ◼   ► Me and Steven will have these on our desks while we stream.

00:09:17 ◼   ► It's incredible.

00:09:19 ◼   ► This looks so much better

00:09:20 ◼   ► I imagined it was going to look. Yes, I am into this. Wow. So, stduid.org/relay. We'll

00:09:27 ◼   ► talk about it more next week, but, you know, don't delay. Start fundraising today.

00:09:32 ◼   ► Oh, that's really good. You just come up with that off the top of your head?

00:09:35 ◼   ► Off the top of my old dome. Yeah, I'm just so amped up and excited after seeing this thing.

00:09:39 ◼   ► Not bad for an old man.

00:09:42 ◼   ► Younger than you.

00:09:43 ◼   ► That's true. Yes, we would love if people would get involved this year.

00:09:49 ◼   ► I rescind it. This was worth you going answering the door.

00:09:52 ◼   ► Yes. Wait, did you say it wasn't?

00:09:54 ◼   ► I was talking trash.

00:09:55 ◼   ► Oh, it was so mad. It's like, I don't understand. This is so unprofessional.

00:09:59 ◼   ► We're in the midst of recording a podcast.

00:10:02 ◼   ► It was lots of things like that, you know?

00:10:03 ◼   ► It's also his company.

00:10:05 ◼   ► I knew that's what it was. I had to go.

00:10:09 ◼   ► It actually wasn't. I didn't say that. I didn't say that. I just didn't like the pressure in the moment.

00:10:14 ◼   ► Well, speaking of pressure in the moment, you want to let people know what happened

00:10:18 ◼   ► on the Club Max Stories Town Hall yesterday?

00:10:21 ◼   ► Yes, so we...

00:10:25 ◼   ► Steven and I contributed to the kind of anniversary of Club Max Stories,

00:10:29 ◼   ► and it was like a Town Hall thing they did in their Discord.

00:10:33 ◼   ► I will say I was encouraged during the Discord to do

00:10:36 ◼   ► a very impromptu quick connected quiz, where I just asked the two of them one

00:10:41 ◼   ► simple question. Basically, could the other guess what the other was just about

00:10:44 ◼   ► to say? There was 100 points on the line. They

00:10:47 ◼   ► they both lost 100 points.

00:10:49 ◼   ► So the overall totals of Steven and Federico

00:10:52 ◼   ► have decreased by 100.

00:10:53 ◼   ► Steven now has 2,873 points.

00:10:56 ◼   ► Federico has 2,201 points.

00:10:59 ◼   ► That is an update for you all, for those keeping score.

00:11:03 ◼   ► Basically nothing's changed except they've both gone down.

00:11:07 ◼   ► - Is there anything else we need to do in follow up?

00:11:08 ◼   ► - I don't think so.

00:11:10 ◼   ► - I mean, we can just skip over that.

00:11:13 ◼   ► - Well, there is a thing that was a topic actually

00:11:15 ◼   ► that I thought had been taken out of the show, but it's been snuck in here and I think we

00:11:20 ◼   ► were just trying to be tricked. Federica, what is in this document?

00:11:24 ◼   ► There's a line of text that says "The fate of the Hackett M2 Air." So, yeah, what's the

00:11:32 ◼   ► fate?

00:11:33 ◼   ► To recap, my wife has been using an M1 MacBook Air with a whatever the small, the LG 4K Ultrafine,

00:11:40 ◼   ► I think it's 21 and a half inches about the same size as the old small iMac and she's using that for a while

00:11:46 ◼   ► she has a

00:11:48 ◼   ► Tiny desk in the corner of our den. I got this m2 air. It was gonna be hers. The m1 air was gonna replace a

00:11:54 ◼   ► 2018 Intel MacBook Air the kids have been using for homework and that sort of thing had it all planned out

00:12:01 ◼   ► The problem is that I really like the m2 air and so I you know set it up. I used it for a while

00:12:08 ◼   ► Put Ventura on it and wrote my review which we talked about last week. I've been telling her is like hey, you know

00:12:14 ◼   ► This machine is gonna be yours. We're gonna you know one evening or you know over the course of a day

00:12:19 ◼   ► I'll you know do all the you know, like two or three data migrations necessary to make all this work and

00:12:24 ◼   ► We ended up doing something different so she's decided that she wants to

00:12:31 ◼   ► she doesn't really use her computer that much she's mostly iPad first at home and

00:12:38 ◼   ► And we're talking about redoing our DIN,

00:12:41 ◼   ► it's like the desk was gonna have to move

00:12:43 ◼   ► and we weren't sure where it was gonna go.

00:12:45 ◼   ► And so there's all these other factors

00:12:47 ◼   ► affecting her setup kind of at the same time

00:12:50 ◼   ► as I'm changing these computers around.

00:12:52 ◼   ► Why do you keep laughing?

00:12:54 ◼   ► Be quiet.

00:12:55 ◼   ► So at the end of the day,

00:12:59 ◼   ► she's decided to forego her external display

00:13:01 ◼   ► and just use a notebook.

00:13:03 ◼   ► But she wanted to have something

00:13:07 ◼   ► potentially a little bit bigger than the Air.

00:13:09 ◼   ► So she now has my 14 inch MacBook Pro.

00:13:13 ◼   ► Okay.

00:13:14 ◼   ► Yeah, so she's got the 14 inch MacBook Pro,

00:13:15 ◼   ► she's using it standalone.

00:13:17 ◼   ► I've got the Air.

00:13:18 ◼   ► Okay.

00:13:19 ◼   ► And the kids have the M1.

00:13:20 ◼   ► No, this is fair, Mary wins.

00:13:22 ◼   ► 'Cause I thought Mary was about to lose.

00:13:24 ◼   ► That's why I thought this was going.

00:13:25 ◼   ► No, no, no.

00:13:26 ◼   ► Mary wins.

00:13:27 ◼   ► Mary gets a ThinkPad.

00:13:29 ◼   ► No.

00:13:29 ◼   ► I have a great iBook G3.

00:13:32 ◼   ► Yeah, yeah.

00:13:33 ◼   ► It's bigger.

00:13:34 ◼   ► Yeah, and it's orange, what do you want?

00:13:36 ◼   ► I mean, that's what I wanted on this machine.

00:13:37 ◼   ► So she did once, there's a story,

00:13:41 ◼   ► it's on a Mac story somewhere.

00:13:42 ◼   ► I wrote about the clamshell iBook a few years ago

00:13:45 ◼   ► and she modeled it for me.

00:13:46 ◼   ► And I don't know, she hasn't let me live that down yet.

00:13:49 ◼   ► So yeah, that's what we've done.

00:13:51 ◼   ► And man, I gotta say like,

00:13:52 ◼   ► I have this 2018 Intel Air now in my office.

00:13:55 ◼   ► That keyboard is so bad.

00:13:57 ◼   ► I know we talked about it for so long.

00:13:59 ◼   ► And the 2018 was like the final revision

00:14:01 ◼   ► of the butterfly keyboard,

00:14:03 ◼   ► but it sounds and feels like garbage

00:14:05 ◼   ► and the space bar is broken.

00:14:06 ◼   ► So I gotta, I gotta do a repair on that machine.

00:14:08 ◼   ► But it's a, that's where we ended up.

00:14:10 ◼   ► So I've got the Air, she has my 14 inch MacBook Pro.

00:14:14 ◼   ► I do have a user set up on that machine.

00:14:17 ◼   ► I mean, I had to go back to Monterey on it

00:14:19 ◼   ► 'cause it had Ventura.

00:14:20 ◼   ► So my user is basically just empty,

00:14:22 ◼   ► but on the occasion that it would be useful

00:14:25 ◼   ► for me to have a machine with HDMI and more inputs,

00:14:29 ◼   ► like, you know, occasionally I get pulled into like

00:14:31 ◼   ► running AV for something at church

00:14:33 ◼   ► or with the scouts or something

00:14:34 ◼   ► that I can use that machine if I need it.

00:14:38 ◼   ► So that's where we ended up.

00:14:40 ◼   ► - Okay, that's ended up pretty well.

00:14:42 ◼   ► - I think so.

00:14:43 ◼   ► Yeah, and she really likes it.

00:14:44 ◼   ► She's been using it and we're gonna disassemble her desk

00:14:48 ◼   ► and I don't know what to do with that LG 4K display,

00:14:51 ◼   ► but I'll find a home for that.

00:14:52 ◼   ► - Send it to Casey.

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00:16:48 ◼   ► - Apple event. - Yeah.

00:16:49 ◼   ► - September 7th.

00:16:51 ◼   ► It was predicted and it is happening.

00:16:54 ◼   ► There is a part in person event,

00:16:58 ◼   ► but it's all gonna be streamed it seems

00:17:03 ◼   ► as kind of as it has been.

00:17:04 ◼   ► I guess the kind of mixture is people will be there

00:17:11 ◼   ► and we'll be able to watch it,

00:17:12 ◼   ► but they will be watching what we see, I don't know.

00:17:16 ◼   ► - Yeah, I don't think we, I mean,

00:17:19 ◼   ► I don't think we super know like on the surface of it,

00:17:23 ◼   ► it seems like it's what it used to be, right?

00:17:26 ◼   ► People are there and then we're watching something.

00:17:29 ◼   ► Whether they're watching real people on stage or not

00:17:32 ◼   ► seems to be unknown.

00:17:34 ◼   ► So I don't know.

00:17:35 ◼   ► - Very good point.

00:17:36 ◼   ► I just make assumptions.

00:17:37 ◼   ► Like I just, they can do,

00:17:40 ◼   ► they did it with way more people at the minute BC, right?

00:17:42 ◼   ► Just sat in the elevator, watch a video.

00:17:44 ◼   ► But this allows for the hands-on areas and the briefings

00:17:49 ◼   ► and that kind of stuff to happen

00:17:50 ◼   ► in the environment that they would like.

00:17:52 ◼   ► Who knows? None of us, right, got invited to go now. No, no, we just all kind of got

00:18:02 ◼   ► emails to say hey, we're all upset. No, that's that's no, we're not. We did this one. I did

00:18:10 ◼   ► this once already this year. Didn't go great. So wasn't Kenan doing it again.

00:18:16 ◼   ► iPhones, Apple Watches, I guess is what we're expecting.

00:18:21 ◼   ► - Yeah.

00:18:22 ◼   ► - Especially now, we're gonna talk about iOS 16.1 later on,

00:18:26 ◼   ► but it seems pretty clear cut now

00:18:27 ◼   ► what will and won't be at this event.

00:18:30 ◼   ► - I mean, it seems like this one's pretty nailed down.

00:18:33 ◼   ► I feel like we've known about the four phone strategy

00:18:36 ◼   ► for a long time now.

00:18:39 ◼   ► And we've read a lot about the Apple Watch Pro

00:18:44 ◼   ► that, you know, Gherman in particular

00:18:46 ◼   ► has written a lot about.

00:18:47 ◼   ► So I don't know if we'll see many surprises here,

00:18:50 ◼   ► hardware wise, the only sort of wild card in my mind

00:18:53 ◼   ► is something AirPods, you know, maybe new AirPods Pro.

00:18:58 ◼   ► - Well, it's about time for the Pro 2 for sure.

00:19:01 ◼   ► Maybe the new Max iteration,

00:19:07 ◼   ► but for sure, like it's about time I think for a second,

00:19:11 ◼   ► for a revision to the AirPods Pro.

00:19:13 ◼   ► It's been over two years, I believe, at this point.

00:19:17 ◼   ► But yeah, hardware-wise, I agree, that's possibly,

00:19:21 ◼   ► I mean, and I mean, there's always the wild

00:19:24 ◼   ► like accessory prediction,

00:19:26 ◼   ► like they're gonna do a new cleaning cloth or something.

00:19:29 ◼   ► (laughing)

00:19:30 ◼   ► You know, new cables. - You just wanna be

00:19:31 ◼   ► in the New York Times again.

00:19:32 ◼   ► - Well, prepare for the grand return of Mr. Vitici

00:19:36 ◼   ► in the New York Times, if they do that.

00:19:37 ◼   ► - Wow.

00:19:39 ◼   ► - You know me, I'm a collector of cleaning cloths,

00:19:43 ◼   ► And yeah, but that's, you know, we'll have to see what they do.

00:19:48 ◼   ► But yeah, I guess I am curious myself

00:19:52 ◼   ► about the positioning of the Apple Watch Pro model.

00:19:56 ◼   ► Because typically, Pro models, like sure, the iPhone Pros

00:20:01 ◼   ► and the iPad Pros are--

00:20:03 ◼   ► they are very broadly aimed at professionals.

00:20:07 ◼   ► Like on the iPad Pro, the Pro features are--

00:20:12 ◼   ► There are some functionalities that, sure, artists

00:20:15 ◼   ► can take advantage of.

00:20:16 ◼   ► But really, pro means best model.

00:20:20 ◼   ► That's what it means.

00:20:21 ◼   ► And same on the iPhone.

00:20:22 ◼   ► Sure, some features are directly aimed at photographers,

00:20:26 ◼   ► but really, pro means this is the best version of the iPhone

00:20:29 ◼   ► that you can get.

00:20:30 ◼   ► There was an article on The Verge,

00:20:32 ◼   ► I think, from last year that pro has lost all its meaning now.

00:20:35 ◼   ► And I kind of agree with that.

00:20:36 ◼   ► Pro just means the more expensive one with more stuff.

00:20:39 ◼   ► So, in the context of the Apple Watch, the rumors that we've heard so far are pointing at a watch

00:20:45 ◼   ► aimed at people who are into extreme sports, and you know, so this is like a rugged version.

00:20:51 ◼   ► And I kind of understand all of that because they want to capture the market

00:20:55 ◼   ► where companies like Fitbit and Garmin are still very much selling these more advanced watches for

00:21:01 ◼   ► those kinds of activities. So watches that you can go multiple days, you can go on a hike,

00:21:06 ◼   ► and it's got a giant battery in it, and it's got more accurate GPS, a more accurate altimeter,

00:21:12 ◼   ► for example, all that kind of stuff. There's still a market of people buying those more advanced

00:21:17 ◼   ► watches. But isn't that too small a niche for Apple to say this is Apple Watch Pro? So I kind

00:21:24 ◼   ► of wonder if, sure, those features will be in the Apple Watch Pro, but the positioning from Apple

00:21:30 ◼   ► will be a little broader so that people like Myke and I, I don't think we are into extreme sports,

00:21:37 ◼   ► last time I checked, but also people like Myke and I could say "you know what, this is the best

00:21:41 ◼   ► version, I'm just gonna get an Apple Watch Pro". I'm curious about that. Yes, I've had that thought

00:21:47 ◼   ► too, like I... if the features of this thing are like "it's strong, it's tough", I was like "I don't

00:21:55 ◼   ► don't need those right. Okay, so Stephen does, but I don't need those features

00:22:02 ◼   ► and even just like so that I mean you know and there's things they could add

00:22:06 ◼   ► to it. Maybe that would be more interested in like for me, bigger screen.

00:22:10 ◼   ► No, I don't think I need the watch to be bigger. So like, but you know some

00:22:14 ◼   ► people would want that and that's not about rugged at all. It's just about

00:22:18 ◼   ► like, oh, do you really love the Apple watch or wouldn't it be better if it was

00:22:22 ◼   ► bigger, which is like you know that's the way it is for for a lot of devices.

00:22:25 ◼   ► So I am intrigued to see what they position this as.

00:22:30 ◼   ► I do agree that like whilst I wanted it to be called Apple Watch Extreme because I thought that was fun,

00:22:35 ◼   ► Apple Watch Pro is probably just a better catch-all name to cover off a bunch of people, right?

00:22:41 ◼   ► Like they can say it's stronger, they can say it's more durable,

00:22:44 ◼   ► but that doesn't make it a rugged sports watch.

00:22:47 ◼   ► But they can say it has longer battery life and a bigger screen

00:22:51 ◼   ► and that kind of appeals to a whole bigger, more broad set of people that way.

00:22:58 ◼   ► Just so it's the pro one, it's just got more of all of it.

00:23:02 ◼   ► So that's the one thing that I'm keeping an eye on.

00:23:06 ◼   ► Everything else seems that we pretty much know what's going to happen.

00:23:11 ◼   ► The mini iPhone is going away.

00:23:13 ◼   ► We're going to get two sizes per line of iPhone 14.

00:23:18 ◼   ► I guess maybe the other area where, and this is also where we get the points usually for

00:23:27 ◼   ► a risky pick for the Ricky's which are coming up, but iOS taking advantage of new stuff

00:23:35 ◼   ► that's exclusive to the 14 line. That's maybe an area where there could be surprises waiting

00:23:42 ◼   ► for us. I'm sure there's going to be some photography related additional like a new

00:23:46 ◼   ► I expect there'll be quite a lot of that for the Pro phone if the things are true, right?

00:23:51 ◼   ► Which is the removal of the notch, the addition of an always-on display.

00:23:57 ◼   ► And I don't know if they'll do software stuff for the camera because the camera on the Pro is

00:24:04 ◼   ► like a physically different thing, potentially, is what the rumors are. It's like a 48 megapixel

00:24:10 ◼   ► camera. So that on its own will be enough. Honestly, I was thinking about this. I hope

00:24:14 ◼   ► that this is the removal of that sweater mode thing. What was it called? Deep Fusion.

00:24:20 ◼   ► Deep Fusion. I hope that the higher megapixel camera means they can get rid of that feature.

00:24:25 ◼   ► Because I a lot of the time don't like what it does to my images and I think they shouldn't need

00:24:33 ◼   ► to do that anymore if they have a higher megapixel camera which will still just be binned down so they

00:24:38 ◼   ► can take advantage of all of the additional information coming from the sensor. I still

00:24:44 ◼   ► think if they are increasing the RAM on the Pro models, I still think that, well, I don't

00:24:54 ◼   ► know, could they do it? But split view on the iPhone, I still think that it would make

00:24:58 ◼   ► sense. Now, I cannot reuse this as a risky pick in our game, because that was my risky

00:25:05 ◼   ► pick for WWDC, but I still think multi-casking on the big iPhones, Apple probably needs to

00:25:14 ◼   ► do more on that front, especially if they're gonna go...

00:25:18 ◼   ► Stage manager is what you're saying.

00:25:21 ◼   ► Stage manager on iPhone.

00:25:22 ◼   ► Stage manager on the iPhone.

00:25:24 ◼   ► I mean honestly, that UI would probably make more sense on a phone with the little cards

00:25:30 ◼   ► that you can swipe away.

00:25:31 ◼   ► It's just a smaller stage.

00:25:32 ◼   ► I mean, at that point, you're kind of remaking web OS, if you think about it.

00:25:36 ◼   ► And you have those little stacks of...

00:25:38 ◼   ► Wouldn't that be wonderful, though?

00:25:39 ◼   ► You have those little stacks of windows that you can swipe away to multitask.

00:25:42 ◼   ► I mean, come on.

00:25:44 ◼   ► Man, I remember when they introduced the Plus phones, and it was like,

00:25:48 ◼   ► "You can turn your phone sideways and everything changes."

00:25:51 ◼   ► I mean, that all just went away.

00:25:53 ◼   ► I will say, Federico, to your point there, like,

00:25:56 ◼   ► the fact that there will be two large phones, if they're going to do it,

00:26:01 ◼   ► they could do it, right? Imagine if they do. I will lose my mind if they do that. I mean,

00:26:07 ◼   ► I would be so happy, honestly. Because I honestly find myself wishing for it all the time. And

00:26:14 ◼   ► if there's a company that can make it look nicer than Android, I mean, Apple can do it.

00:26:21 ◼   ► Just from a fundamental level it works, because picture-in-picture exists, right? Exactly.

00:26:24 ◼   ► I can fill up like a large portion of my phone with picture-in-picture, and I do frequently,

00:26:29 ◼   ► and I can still use my phone, right?

00:26:31 ◼   ► So like, you know, I would love to see it.

00:26:35 ◼   ► You'd love to see it.

00:26:36 ◼   ► - You can have picture in picture on a phone.

00:26:38 ◼   ► You can have a keyboard that floats on one side

00:26:41 ◼   ► or the other side.

00:26:42 ◼   ► I mean, why not have split view at this point?

00:26:44 ◼   ► You can do drag and drop between amps.

00:26:46 ◼   ► I mean, all the parts are there.

00:26:49 ◼   ► But also this is like a major developer related thing

00:26:53 ◼   ► that probably needs to wait for WWDC if they ever do it.

00:26:57 ◼   ► But I mean, on iOS, you're essentially,

00:27:00 ◼   ► I don't want to say that you're scraping

00:27:02 ◼   ► the bottom of a barrel these days

00:27:04 ◼   ► when it comes to innovation on the phone OS,

00:27:07 ◼   ► but also they kind of are.

00:27:09 ◼   ► And I mean, widgets are saving them this year,

00:27:12 ◼   ► but really like what, well, we'll talk about this.

00:27:14 ◼   ► This is sort of the angle that I'm taking for my iOS review.

00:27:17 ◼   ► So we'll talk about this later, but yeah.

00:27:19 ◼   ► - We're doing the Ricky's next week.

00:27:21 ◼   ► So happy for two week notices to come back.

00:27:23 ◼   ► - Yes.

00:27:24 ◼   ► - So happy.

00:27:26 ◼   ► Thank you to whoever did that.

00:27:28 ◼   ► Devin, not having, 'cause we would have had, you know,

00:27:31 ◼   ► we wouldn't have had 10 minutes notice

00:27:33 ◼   ► it probably would have been a bit like a day

00:27:35 ◼   ► and it would have sucked.

00:27:36 ◼   ► So I'm so happy that we get more notice.

00:27:41 ◼   ► - Well, although that means that iOS is coming up very soon.

00:27:47 ◼   ► And I, you know, I'm starting to feel that pressure

00:27:53 ◼   ► of, yeah, it's happening.

00:27:55 ◼   ► I really hope it's not the day after the event. I hope they stick to next week. So we'll see.

00:28:03 ◼   ► What do you think though?

00:28:06 ◼   ► Right? I think they're gonna do the following Monday. My perfect scenario would be the following

00:28:15 ◼   ► Wednesday. So a week from today. When it's event day, obviously. My ideal scenario would be at the

00:28:22 ◼   ► the event or in a press release, they say next week on Wednesday. So I have a full

00:28:28 ◼   ► week to finish everything. But I think it's also very likely that they're gonna

00:28:33 ◼   ► do Monday instead of Wednesday of the following week. Let's try and plan out

00:28:37 ◼   ► some of these dates here and look at my calendar. So I think they're gonna do iOS

00:28:41 ◼   ► on the 12th. So we've got event on the 7th, iOS on the 12th. Are we thinking

00:28:48 ◼   ► iPhones on the 16th? Yeah. So pre-orders on the 9th, right? Where's the September calendar?

00:28:57 ◼   ► So the 9th is Friday. Exactly, exactly. So they could also do... So I mentioned Wednesday because

00:29:03 ◼   ► in the past they have done the new iOS releases on the Wednesday with the new iPhones coming out

00:29:09 ◼   ► on the Friday. They have done this. Although I believe that in the past couple of years they

00:29:14 ◼   ► I've released iOS on a Monday, hence why I'm mentioning the 12 instead.

00:29:21 ◼   ► Maybe they do it on Tuesday. Give it one extra day. It's probably good to be ready for the

00:29:28 ◼   ► 12 though. Well, they'll say though, won't they? But mentally now as you're preparing.

00:29:34 ◼   ► I'm preparing for the 12, yeah. So we'll see. How many days do I have? 20?

00:29:43 ◼   ► about 20 days to finish it and edit it. No, like 18 or 19. Well 19, yeah. Yeah. We'll get there.

00:29:55 ◼   ► Eventually. 16th would be nice. Podcastathon day. New iPhones in the morning, provided Stephen can

00:30:06 ◼   ► get one. Yeah, every week. For each of us. Because that's what he had to do before. This is the first

00:30:12 ◼   ► podcast of the Stephen had to buy buy an iPhone for me yep because I was

00:30:17 ◼   ► obviously in America that day did it helpful did it work when you went back

00:30:21 ◼   ► to the UK yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah there are certain bands and this one was the

00:30:28 ◼   ► 5g thing could be a problem yeah I've just realized a little worried about

00:30:32 ◼   ► that oh that might be an issue maybe maybe we get your Apple watch here

00:30:38 ◼   ► instead of a phone.

00:30:39 ◼   ► - No, no, no, I can check it.

00:30:40 ◼   ► Like if the current one works, then the next one will work.

00:30:44 ◼   ► 'Cause I just, we don't have millimeter wave, right?

00:30:46 ◼   ► So the millimeter wave stuff is like, whatever,

00:30:50 ◼   ► that won't work, but it doesn't currently.

00:30:52 ◼   ► But we have like the regular 5G, whatever that's called.

00:30:54 ◼   ► - Mid-band?

00:30:57 ◼   ► - Something, something, something, yep.

00:30:59 ◼   ► - To be fair, most people in the US

00:31:01 ◼   ► have never experienced millimeter wave either,

00:31:03 ◼   ► so it's fine.

00:31:05 ◼   ► I've seen it one time and I couldn't connect to it.

00:31:09 ◼   ► The phone said it was on there, but it had no data.

00:31:12 ◼   ► So that was exciting.

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00:33:46 ◼   ► Apple has expanded their self-service repair program.

00:33:50 ◼   ► And this was announced a while back

00:33:51 ◼   ► and we got some iPhone components

00:33:54 ◼   ► for select late model iPhones.

00:33:56 ◼   ► And now the M1 MacBook Air, the M1 MacBook Pro

00:34:01 ◼   ► and the 14 and 16 inch MacBook Pros have been added

00:34:06 ◼   ► to the self service repair store.

00:34:08 ◼   ► This is only in the US, but it's supposed to expand outside

00:34:12 ◼   ► beyond the US including Europe later this year unknown.

00:34:17 ◼   ► - Still continues to be later,

00:34:19 ◼   ► but they've said it again like later.

00:34:22 ◼   ► - Yeah, I mean there's some months left, you know.

00:34:25 ◼   ► - Yeah, sure there's laters.

00:34:26 ◼   ► had a moment the other day where I needed to schedule something for three months out. I was

00:34:30 ◼   ► like, Oh, that's during the holidays. I'm like, Nope, I don't like that. So the self service

00:34:37 ◼   ► repair for the MacBook Air and MacBook Pro, there's more than a dozen different repairs for each

00:34:42 ◼   ► model. These include basically everything you think it would write the display, the top case

00:34:48 ◼   ► of battery, which I'm going to come back to in a minute the trackpad with even more coming on again

00:34:54 ◼   ► later. Jason actually over in Six Colors has a full list of all the parts. I would like, I would,

00:35:03 ◼   ► I think we should read this, read this list. What do you guys think? Yeah. How do you want to,

00:35:08 ◼   ► do you have a special way you like this? I think we round robin them. Okay, who starts? Federico

00:35:15 ◼   ► and then Myke and then me. Okay. Okay, wow, this is an easy one. Antenna module, MacBook Air only.

00:35:22 ◼   ► Audio board. Audio board flex cable. MacBook Air only. Battery.

00:35:28 ◼   ► MacBook Air only. Battery Management Unit.

00:35:31 ◼   ► BMU. Flex cable. Bottom case.

00:35:34 ◼   ► Display. Display hinge covers.

00:35:38 ◼   ► Embedded Display Port Flex Cable with Connector Calling.

00:35:42 ◼   ► MBA. MacBook Air. And 13 inch MacBook Pro only.

00:35:48 ◼   ► Fans.

00:35:50 ◼   ► Well there's a parenthesis. No it's good. MacBook Pro only. Yeah the MacBook Air doesn't have any fans.

00:35:59 ◼   ► I/O board, MacBook Air and 13-inch MacBook Pro only. Keycap replacement.

00:36:08 ◼   ► LID angle sensor, LAS, module, 14 inch and 16 inch MacBook Pro only.

00:36:16 ◼   ► Logic board, MagSafe 3 board, 14 and 16 inch MacBook Pro only.

00:36:22 ◼   ► Speakers, MacBook Air and 13 inch MacBook Pro only.

00:36:27 ◼   ► Top case, MacBook Air only.

00:36:29 ◼   ► Top case with battery, MacBook Pro only.

00:36:33 ◼   ► Touch ID board.

00:36:36 ◼   ► trackpad and trackpad flex cable.

00:36:39 ◼   ► USB-C boards, 14 and 16 inch MacBook Pro only.

00:36:43 ◼   ► Beautiful.

00:36:44 ◼   ► It's a lot of parts.

00:36:46 ◼   ► Nice.

00:36:46 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:36:47 ◼   ► So actually it is quite a lot of parts.

00:36:48 ◼   ► I have a couple of questions.

00:36:49 ◼   ► Keycap replacement.

00:36:50 ◼   ► I'm intrigued at that because different, different?

00:36:54 ◼   ► No, all the same, right?

00:36:56 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:36:56 ◼   ► Cause the MacBook Air, yes.

00:36:58 ◼   ► Well, even if they are different, you're ordering against your serial number.

00:37:01 ◼   ► So they would know like if there's some discrete, small difference somewhere

00:37:06 ◼   ► they'll send you the right thing I'm sure. On that you have to provide your

00:37:11 ◼   ► serial number to get access to parts. You can buy the tools without the serial

00:37:16 ◼   ► numbers but this is unlike the iPhone so with the iPhone you just go buy parts

00:37:20 ◼   ► but to buy stuff from the Mac store you have to provide a serial number. 9to5Mac

00:37:26 ◼   ► spoke with the support team and confirmed that you can only swap out

00:37:31 ◼   ► out matching parts.

00:37:33 ◼   ► Basically, you can't use this as a way

00:37:36 ◼   ► to get more RAM for your computer and stuff like that.

00:37:39 ◼   ► - Yeah, this is how, I mean, a hundred years ago

00:37:42 ◼   ► when I was in this business, this is how it worked then too.

00:37:45 ◼   ► Like you were trading like for like parts.

00:37:47 ◼   ► So if you were replacing a logic board

00:37:50 ◼   ► with a two gigahertz core two duo,

00:37:53 ◼   ► you were putting that same logic board exactly

00:37:57 ◼   ► back in the machine.

00:37:58 ◼   ► and Apple verified when you sent parts back

00:38:02 ◼   ► that you weren't doing something like this.

00:38:04 ◼   ► And I would imagine now

00:38:08 ◼   ► that basically everything is the logic board.

00:38:10 ◼   ► Like they're gonna be really, really careful

00:38:13 ◼   ► to make sure people are doing

00:38:15 ◼   ► what they're supposed to do here.

00:38:17 ◼   ► I think it's interesting reading this list too.

00:38:20 ◼   ► It's very clear in reading this

00:38:21 ◼   ► that the MacBook Air and the MacBook Pro,

00:38:23 ◼   ► the 13 inch are the old design

00:38:26 ◼   ► because they don't have MagSafe.

00:38:29 ◼   ► They don't have the USB-C ports as separate daughterboards.

00:38:33 ◼   ► So like on the 14 to 16, if you break the USB-C port,

00:38:37 ◼   ► you're not replacing the whole logic board.

00:38:38 ◼   ► It's its own discrete component

00:38:40 ◼   ► that you fish out of there and plug in a new one.

00:38:43 ◼   ► So it's kind of interesting to see the differences to me

00:38:46 ◼   ► as someone who spent a lot of time

00:38:47 ◼   ► taking these things apart over the years

00:38:49 ◼   ► to kind of see where this line is drawn

00:38:53 ◼   ► between these models.

00:38:55 ◼   ► I'm going to put my serial number in.

00:38:58 ◼   ► - Okay.

00:38:59 ◼   ► - What repair type do we wanna look at?

00:39:04 ◼   ► We've got audio board, battery management,

00:39:06 ◼   ► basically the parts, right?

00:39:08 ◼   ► - Yeah.

00:39:08 ◼   ► - What do you wanna know?

00:39:09 ◼   ► - I think we do logic board.

00:39:11 ◼   ► Let's go for the big one.

00:39:12 ◼   ► - Okay.

00:39:13 ◼   ► Logic board, processing your request.

00:39:16 ◼   ► Man, it's taking a long time.

00:39:19 ◼   ► It's just spinning here.

00:39:20 ◼   ► - It's not a good website,

00:39:21 ◼   ► but we've talked about that before.

00:39:23 ◼   ► - So it pre-fills a bunch of stuff.

00:39:24 ◼   ► So it's pre-filled, 10 core, 24 core GPU,

00:39:28 ◼   ► 64 gigabytes memory, two terabyte SSD.

00:39:31 ◼   ► So it's pre-filled that, so I press search.

00:39:34 ◼   ► It will cost $2,550.24 to change the logic board,

00:39:39 ◼   ► which comes with the touch ID board.

00:39:42 ◼   ► And I would, but off the credit,

00:39:45 ◼   ► so you can send the old items back to them.

00:39:48 ◼   ► If they accept them, it would cost me $500 total.

00:39:51 ◼   ► - Right.

00:39:53 ◼   ► - Yeah, it's basically a core charge,

00:39:54 ◼   ► very common in the repair industry.

00:39:57 ◼   ► It's definitely true for cars too, right?

00:39:59 ◼   ► Like if you need an alternator,

00:40:00 ◼   ► they send you your old one back

00:40:02 ◼   ► and you get a discount or something.

00:40:03 ◼   ► So none of that's super unusual.

00:40:06 ◼   ► I mean, there are some, you know,

00:40:10 ◼   ► there are some things to talk about here,

00:40:13 ◼   ► I think in terms of how,

00:40:15 ◼   ► like how useful this program actually is.

00:40:17 ◼   ► And we talked about this in the,

00:40:18 ◼   ► when it was out for the iPhone too,

00:40:21 ◼   ► that, you know, most consumers aren't going to want to do this.

00:40:26 ◼   ► Right? Most people are not going to open a phone or a laptop, they

00:40:30 ◼   ► would if it needs a repair, they'd rather spend the $500 or

00:40:34 ◼   ► whatever it is with the Apple Store or with a service provider.

00:40:39 ◼   ► And then they know that it's being done correctly by someone

00:40:42 ◼   ► who knows what they're doing, who has the expertise and the

00:40:44 ◼   ► tools and stuff already. This is great for people who want to do

00:40:49 ◼   ► their own thing. And there are a lot of people in our audience

00:40:51 ◼   ► who probably would take advantage of this

00:40:53 ◼   ► if something came up.

00:40:54 ◼   ► I know that if I had a machine that needed something,

00:40:57 ◼   ► I would definitely be tempted to do it.

00:40:58 ◼   ► But again, I have the expertise to do this sort of thing.

00:41:01 ◼   ► I already have a bunch of the tools too,

00:41:03 ◼   ► at least to do the Mac stuff.

00:41:04 ◼   ► It's not like crazy iPhone panini presses or anything.

00:41:08 ◼   ► It's just screwdrivers and that sort of thing

00:41:12 ◼   ► to take these apart.

00:41:13 ◼   ► - Yes, the tools are a little bit more...

00:41:16 ◼   ► - Pedestrian?

00:41:19 ◼   ► Pedestrians are good friends. They're logical but yeah, but yeah, they're like it's just different, right?

00:41:24 ◼   ► It's just like these the Mac tools are like they just like tools. Yeah

00:41:29 ◼   ► Yeah, you can buy a nice set of like, you know torques bits from I fix it and go at it

00:41:34 ◼   ► So and they have some stuff like they have like specialized key cap levers

00:41:37 ◼   ► It's just like a 3d printed things but like, you know, they've just got like the toolkit

00:41:42 ◼   ► Is a tool kit. It's not like this huge 80 pounds of machinery

00:41:48 ◼   ► Yeah, like a pound thing. It's just like a box like a pelican case with a bunch of tools in it, you know, so

00:41:54 ◼   ► It's more kind of like what you would expect. I

00:41:59 ◼   ► Got that really cool screwdriver. I got you for your birthday. It's a very good screwdriver. It's very good

00:42:06 ◼   ► the

00:42:08 ◼   ► The folks that I fix it had some commentary on this that I thought was interesting and I actually don't necessarily agree with them

00:42:15 ◼   ► They had a blog post up

00:42:18 ◼   ► basically complaining about the the battery repair in the MacBook Pro and

00:42:24 ◼   ► There you can go read the blog post. It's long what it boils down to is

00:42:29 ◼   ► That on some of these models to replace the battery you're actually replacing the battery keyboard and top case as

00:42:36 ◼   ► One component and they say well on one hand

00:42:40 ◼   ► You know the iPhone or the iPad Apple's actually done some things to make it easier to replace the battery

00:42:45 ◼   ► I mean still you're still heating it up and dealing with adhesives and all that stuff. But you know, it's it's a

00:42:50 ◼   ► Discrete component where on some of the MacBook Pros that's actually not the case and they they quote that it takes 162 pages of

00:42:59 ◼   ► Repair guide to get you to the place where you're doing the battery keyboard top case on the MacBook Pro

00:43:04 ◼   ► The way these machines are built and the way they've been built since the unibody introduction

00:43:10 ◼   ► like in

00:43:13 ◼   ► 2008 on the MacBook Pro so 14 years, you know 15 years if you go back to the original MacBook Air is

00:43:19 ◼   ► the top case is the structure of these machines and

00:43:23 ◼   ► Everything is built attached to the top case

00:43:27 ◼   ► So if you take your laptop and you close it and you turn it upside down

00:43:30 ◼   ► So you're looking at the feet in the bottom case that bottom case is just a thin piece of metal all the structure

00:43:37 ◼   ► And all the screw bosses and everything is attached

00:43:40 ◼   ► to that top case.

00:43:42 ◼   ► And so when you're replacing something like the battery,

00:43:47 ◼   ► you know, Apple has for a long time

00:43:51 ◼   ► made the battery and keyboard and top case all one component.

00:43:55 ◼   ► And I think iFixit's complaint is,

00:43:58 ◼   ► well, shouldn't the battery be a bit more modular?

00:44:01 ◼   ► And I don't necessarily disagree with that,

00:44:04 ◼   ► but at the same time,

00:44:05 ◼   ► like I think if they had the expectation

00:44:07 ◼   ► that Apple is going to radically change

00:44:09 ◼   ► they're going to design and build their products with the

00:44:12 ◼   ► foreknowledge of them being in the self service repair program

00:44:16 ◼   ► in the future. Clearly, they're not going to do that. And I, you

00:44:20 ◼   ► know, I don't know if hoping that they would what was the

00:44:23 ◼   ► right move or not, because Apple knows that a very, very, very

00:44:29 ◼   ► small percentage of people are ever going to take advantage of

00:44:32 ◼   ► this program. And the people who get paid to take these things

00:44:35 ◼   ► apart, have the correct training, and the tools and the

00:44:38 ◼   ► expertise to do it. And that's not going to change right? Like

00:44:42 ◼   ► if I was still in the Apple authorized service provider

00:44:45 ◼   ► business, and this came out, I would not be nervous. I would

00:44:48 ◼   ► not worry about this shutting down my service business because

00:44:51 ◼   ► show most people aren't going to crack open their 14 inch MacBook

00:44:54 ◼   ► Pro. So I get what I fix it saying. And I agree that yeah,

00:44:58 ◼   ► it'd be nicer if it were easier, but I don't necessarily think

00:45:01 ◼   ► that was going to be a reasonable expectation. And I

00:45:05 ◼   ► would say that when it's really going to get interesting is when

00:45:08 ◼   ► the iMac and the Mac studio show up on this website because they are much more difficult

00:45:16 ◼   ► to open than a MacBook Pro or a MacBook Air they are more akin to iPhones.

00:45:23 ◼   ► Now I have not opened a you know one of the new M1 iMacs but the Intel iMacs for years

00:45:30 ◼   ► there's been a strip of adhesive between the glass and the aluminum that you get this little

00:45:34 ◼   ► tool and you actually cut the adhesive from the outside and then you have to like peel

00:45:39 ◼   ► the thing off and clean it.

00:45:40 ◼   ► It's all this really big project.

00:45:43 ◼   ► It's not hard if you have the skills, but it's time consuming.

00:45:46 ◼   ► And if you don't have the skills and I've done this in front of people, you're like

00:45:49 ◼   ► putting SSDs and IMAX and stuff and everyone's like, Oh my God, like what are you doing?

00:45:53 ◼   ► The sound it makes, you know, you're going to drop the screen, like all of these concerns.

00:45:57 ◼   ► So I don't, I don't know how happy iFix is going to be about that either.

00:46:00 ◼   ► And I would say to iFix it look, and I really like iFix it.

00:46:03 ◼   ► that I have a bunch of their tools,

00:46:04 ◼   ► I've used a bunch of their parts,

00:46:05 ◼   ► I will continue to do so.

00:46:06 ◼   ► Overall, this is a good thing that this is out here.

00:46:09 ◼   ► So like, take a breath, that's what I'm saying.

00:46:12 ◼   ► Take a victory lap because iFixit in particular

00:46:15 ◼   ► has led the way to right to repair

00:46:18 ◼   ► leading to programs like this.

00:46:20 ◼   ► And so I get what they're saying,

00:46:22 ◼   ► but I kind of felt weird reading the blog post.

00:46:25 ◼   ► - Breaking, Stephen Hackett slams iFixit,

00:46:28 ◼   ► says take a breath.

00:46:29 ◼   ► - Yeah, I can see the headline,

00:46:32 ◼   ► Indie blogger slams iFixit.

00:46:35 ◼   ► - Calls them hysterical.

00:46:37 ◼   ► - Wow. - Wow.

00:46:38 ◼   ► - I mean, I agree with you, but like, look,

00:46:43 ◼   ► you know, this is iFixit's whole thing, right?

00:46:47 ◼   ► - Right.

00:46:48 ◼   ► - They're never gonna be happy with anything

00:46:50 ◼   ► Apple's ever going to do in this arena.

00:46:54 ◼   ► Because the two, like in the same way

00:46:58 ◼   ► say that apple is never going to do what i fix it wants them to do i fix it to

00:47:01 ◼   ► never going to be happy with what apple does like these are two opposing forces

00:47:06 ◼   ► over this issue where, like apple are being dragged kicking and screaming

00:47:11 ◼   ► because of the work of people like i fix it towards a better right to repair

00:47:15 ◼   ► strategy, but apple are never going to be like like that laptop where you can

00:47:21 ◼   ► pull out the parts of the framework, the framework laptop, they're never going

00:47:24 ◼   ► like that. They're just not. And like, because that product has a bunch of design issues

00:47:30 ◼   ► because of the fact that it is how it is. And Apple is just not going to be like that.

00:47:34 ◼   ► So they're happier to do something like this where they can tick the box. Technically they

00:47:39 ◼   ► can say you can, users can do this if they want to, but then at the same time continue

00:47:44 ◼   ► to make it easier for users to get their parts in for repairs at proper places would be,

00:47:52 ◼   ► the right I think is a better move ultimately. You know maybe at some point

00:47:56 ◼   ► we will do this I'm sure that in the coming days we'll see people on YouTube

00:48:01 ◼   ► getting their their hands on the stuff and that'll be interesting to see you

00:48:04 ◼   ► know probably less interesting than the iPhone because again you get two road

00:48:08 ◼   ► cases full of equipment shipped to you like I mean. It is kind of hilarious that

00:48:12 ◼   ► like the bigger machine the bigger like maybe more complicated machine you just

00:48:17 ◼   ► get a set of tools. Yeah and the teeny tiny iPhone you've got a basically be Tony Stark

00:48:21 ◼   ► to figure it out. You need a truck to take it back to the post office. See I

00:48:28 ◼   ► mean I'm overall I'm very happy this is here and that Apple is you know staying

00:48:34 ◼   ► through to the word that they are rolling this out. I wonder moving

00:48:39 ◼   ► forward if the the gap in time is gonna be about what we've seen so like the 14

00:48:44 ◼   ► is 16 inch MacBook Pro been out what nine months or so and now they're on

00:48:47 ◼   ► this repair site? Like, how long till the M2 Air shows up on this? You know, is it going

00:48:53 ◼   ► to be nine months? Is it going to be faster? When will the iPhone 14 show up? These are

00:48:58 ◼   ► questions we don't have answers to yet. But all in all, I'm excited to see Apple continue

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00:51:05 ◼   ► - So I think this was last week Federico made mention

00:51:10 ◼   ► to using a different Twitter client.

00:51:13 ◼   ► - Yes, that was last week.

00:51:15 ◼   ► - And you shared, well, we could work it out

00:51:19 ◼   ► 'cause it was in the tweets.

00:51:20 ◼   ► Spring.

00:51:23 ◼   ► - Spring, yes.

00:51:25 ◼   ► - Can I just say before you get into this,

00:51:27 ◼   ► I've been trying out this app a little bit.

00:51:29 ◼   ► I cannot remember the name of this application.

00:51:32 ◼   ► There is something about it where I'm like what's called swipe everything whenever I'm trying to search for it. I

00:51:37 ◼   ► Can't remember its name. I think there's just something about the word spring which I get doesn't connect with Twitter in my brain

00:51:45 ◼   ► And so like I haven't been able to like make a link

00:51:49 ◼   ► But yeah, I can never remember the name spring spring scholar

00:51:52 ◼   ► Just call it teachy tweet or something and then you're gonna remember

00:51:55 ◼   ► But I can't find that by searching you could make a shortcut name

00:52:00 ◼   ► Whatever you said true teach you tweet tweet and then launch that that launches the ass

00:52:07 ◼   ► Yes, yeah

00:52:09 ◼   ► But anyway, yeah, I promised I would talk about this and and yes, let's talk about it

00:52:16 ◼   ► So I've been using the app for the past couple of weeks, you know me

00:52:21 ◼   ► I'm always on the lookout for cool new stuff made by indie developers. This is one of them. I

00:52:27 ◼   ► I am really, really impressed with this third-party Twitter

00:52:31 ◼   ► client.

00:52:32 ◼   ► It's been around for a while.

00:52:34 ◼   ► I was familiar with it before.

00:52:36 ◼   ► I took it for a spin, I want to say, last year,

00:52:41 ◼   ► maybe a couple of years ago.

00:52:42 ◼   ► I don't know how long it's been around,

00:52:43 ◼   ► but I remember checking this out a while back,

00:52:47 ◼   ► not being impressed with it.

00:52:48 ◼   ► And then I got a couple of emails from readers

00:52:52 ◼   ► and a message from a Discord member saying, hey,

00:52:54 ◼   ► I don't know if you ever checked out the app.

00:52:57 ◼   ► I'm not affiliated with the developer or anything.

00:52:59 ◼   ► I just think it's something you should check out.

00:53:01 ◼   ► And they were right. - That's what they all say,

00:53:02 ◼   ► Federico, that's how they get you, you know.

00:53:04 ◼   ► - Do you think it's secretly like a ring of people

00:53:07 ◼   ► who are affiliated with developers?

00:53:09 ◼   ► I don't know. - I would say

00:53:11 ◼   ► there probably is some of that,

00:53:12 ◼   ► but I doubt in this case.

00:53:14 ◼   ► - Interesting, interesting theory.

00:53:16 ◼   ► So we'll explore that at some point.

00:53:19 ◼   ► (laughing)

00:53:20 ◼   ► For now, we'll get into that.

00:53:24 ◼   ► for now. So this is the kind of Twitter client that, like, it's got that sort of vibe of "I can't

00:53:30 ◼   ► believe no one is talking about this" sort of vibe. Like, this app is so good, but it's not typically,

00:53:37 ◼   ► you know, included in the roundups of, like, "What's a third-party Twitter client on Apple

00:53:41 ◼   ► platforms?" Well, Tweetbot and Twitterrific and maybe Aviary, like, these are the usual names that

00:53:46 ◼   ► you see. I personally find, at the moment, right now, this app superior to everything else.

00:53:53 ◼   ► So it covers all the bases, right? It's got iCutSync, it's got push notifications based on the new Twitter API,

00:54:01 ◼   ► so it can alert you for DMs, but also it's got some cool settings for push notifications.

00:54:06 ◼   ► This is a common theme of the app, it's got some cool settings. I'll explain this in a few minutes.

00:54:11 ◼   ► It can tell you, for example, what someone you follow also replies to you, kind of like in the Twitter app.

00:54:18 ◼   ► It's got that sort of push notification. It's got tons of keyboard shortcuts. It supports

00:54:23 ◼   ► multi-window on the iPad. It's available on the Mac, so you can get a single consistent

00:54:29 ◼   ► experience on iPhone, iPad, and the Mac. And this is the thing that impressed me.

00:54:35 ◼   ► It feels very native to Apple platforms. So, for example, native context menus everywhere,

00:54:44 ◼   ► integration with shortcuts, custom app icons, as I mentioned, keyboard shortcuts, like all the latest

00:54:51 ◼   ► and greatest technologies, this app uses them. I'll get into this in a minute, but this is one

00:54:58 ◼   ► of the very few third-party apps that already use center windows, if you use the traditional

00:55:06 ◼   ► split view slide-over environment, which means, as a side benefit, because this developer did the

00:55:12 ◼   ► work to support center windows last year, now this app works perfectly in Stage Manager as well,

00:55:18 ◼   ► out of the box. So that was pretty cool. Now, as I said a minute ago, one of the common themes

00:55:26 ◼   ► with Spring is infinite customization. And I think it's been done in a very thoughtful way

00:55:33 ◼   ► that doesn't feel as daunting as something like iCab or, I don't know, Obsidian, like those apps

00:55:40 ◼   ► that basically have like pages and pages of settings. This app has a lot of settings but

00:55:47 ◼   ► they are very well organized and the most important customization feature I think is the fact that

00:55:54 ◼   ► you can fully customize the entire tab bar of the app. And by fully customized I really mean it,

00:56:03 ◼   ► like you don't want to have the main home timeline, you can rearrange it on screen in

00:56:09 ◼   ► in the tab bar and put it elsewhere. You can change the labels, like the names, of all

00:56:14 ◼   ► the tab bar items. You can change the icons for every single tab bar item, choosing from

00:56:21 ◼   ► the whole collection of SF symbols. But most importantly, you can make your own tabs. And

00:56:27 ◼   ► this is what really sticks out for me and why I find this app, besides well designed

00:56:34 ◼   ► them fast and very native to iPhone and iPad, but just useful. The idea that you can...

00:56:41 ◼   ► This is, I guess, the key feature of Spring. You can turn everything you want into a section,

00:56:48 ◼   ► into a tab, including saved searches. So, for example, I like to view my mentions on

00:56:56 ◼   ► Twitter as a combination of replies and people who quote tweet my tweets. I had an article

00:57:03 ◼   ► a few years ago on Mac, sorry about this, on how you can build this sort of search yourself

00:57:09 ◼   ► using the advanced Twitter search operators. I just like to view replies and quote tweets

00:57:16 ◼   ► in the same screen. That saved search, I made it into my mentions tab in Spring. Just like

00:57:24 ◼   ► that. You can search for stuff.

00:57:25 ◼   ► Because you can like customize what tabs are, right?

00:57:29 ◼   ► - Yeah, and you can create new tabs.

00:57:31 ◼   ► Like you can customize the existing ones,

00:57:34 ◼   ► but you can also make new ones.

00:57:36 ◼   ► That's the idea.

00:57:37 ◼   ► And it goes beyond that.

00:57:38 ◼   ► So saved searches or any kind of search can become a tab.

00:57:43 ◼   ► A user profile can become its own tab.

00:57:46 ◼   ► So let's say you really like Myke

00:57:48 ◼   ► and you're really into checking the follower count

00:57:51 ◼   ► for Myke Hurley, you can turn Myke's profile

00:57:55 ◼   ► into a tab in Spring.

00:57:57 ◼   ► So every once in a while, you're like,

00:58:00 ◼   ► "Hey, let me check on Myke's follower account."

00:58:01 ◼   ► And you're like, you open that tab and you can see it.

00:58:04 ◼   ► In my case, I had a less creepy use case,

00:58:08 ◼   ► which is I'm logged in with my personal account,

00:58:11 ◼   ► but I also wanna quickly get access

00:58:13 ◼   ► to the Mac Stories profile to see like,

00:58:16 ◼   ► not just the followers, but like the latest tweets

00:58:18 ◼   ► that we shared for articles.

00:58:20 ◼   ► And so the Mac Stories profile is pinned

00:58:22 ◼   ► to my top bar as its own tab.

00:58:25 ◼   ► The top bar, like on the iPhone,

00:58:28 ◼   ► obviously you're limited in space at the bottom,

00:58:30 ◼   ► but there's a couple of things you can do.

00:58:32 ◼   ► First, you can put items in an overflow menu

00:58:37 ◼   ► so that all the extra tabs that don't fit

00:58:41 ◼   ► at the bottom of the screen, you can get them in a menu,

00:58:44 ◼   ► or you can make the top bar scrollable horizontally.

00:58:48 ◼   ► So you can scroll through

00:58:49 ◼   ► and you can reach all the other tabs.

00:58:51 ◼   ► On the iPad, it's much better.

00:58:53 ◼   ► You can also increase it up to nine.

00:58:56 ◼   ► Yes.

00:58:56 ◼   ► Nine things.

00:58:58 ◼   ► But it gets kind of awkward to tap elements.

00:59:02 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:59:02 ◼   ► On the iPad, it's much better because the top bar

00:59:05 ◼   ► is this thin strip on the left edge of the screen,

00:59:10 ◼   ► and it fits a ton of items because there's

00:59:13 ◼   ► a ton of vertical space there.

00:59:15 ◼   ► So yeah, being able to turn anything into its own tab

00:59:20 ◼   ► into a custom section, that's lovely.

00:59:22 ◼   ► This is one of the few apps, one of the few third-party apps that lets you view retweets

00:59:29 ◼   ► and likes to your tweets or someone else's tweets.

00:59:34 ◼   ► In the context menu, which you can also customize obviously, like the entire context menu that

00:59:40 ◼   ► you get when you long press or right click on a tweet, that's also customizable, that

00:59:45 ◼   ► menu has two buttons called "view retweets" and "view likes".

00:59:49 ◼   ► "Hey, I like to see what people like and retweet my stuff, so that helps."

00:59:56 ◼   ► Typically, I would have to use the Twitter app or Twitter website for that, but here

01:00:00 ◼   ► I can do it in Spring.

01:00:02 ◼   ► Timeline filters are incredible.

01:00:04 ◼   ► So there's this filter button at the top of the timeline.

01:00:07 ◼   ► This is not a new idea, but I think it's been done better in Spring.

01:00:11 ◼   ► So you can filter your timeline based on type of tweet or content.

01:00:17 ◼   ► So for example, you can exclude retweets or quote tweets or threads or replies, or you

01:00:25 ◼   ► can just view original tweets.

01:00:27 ◼   ► And then you can mix and match this with content types.

01:00:30 ◼   ► So you can do things like show me all articles, like show me all links that are also original

01:00:36 ◼   ► tweets, or show me all retweets that are images or that are GIFs.

01:00:42 ◼   ► becomes like a really fun way to open just memes from your timeline. Like, show me retweets that

01:00:49 ◼   ► are also animated GIFs. You can mix and match these filters and you can save them and you can

01:00:56 ◼   ► pin them, like, the whole deal. Filtering the timeline is incredible. There's a notifications tab

01:01:03 ◼   ► that is similar to the Twitter one. It aggregates your activity. So notifications, how many people

01:01:09 ◼   ► liked or retweeted your tweets. It doesn't update as, like, it's not as real time as

01:01:16 ◼   ► Twitter's official thing.

01:01:19 ◼   ► I find the information presentation of that tab specifically to be quite awkward.

01:01:25 ◼   ► How so?

01:01:26 ◼   ► Like, I can see that, like, they're going for what Twitter does.

01:01:29 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:01:30 ◼   ► But I think, like, there are a few things, like, the profile pictures are way larger

01:01:35 ◼   ► than the content that it's referring to, for example.

01:01:39 ◼   ► But I appreciate that this is like the only third-party app that I've seen do this and

01:01:49 ◼   ► threading in the way that it does them.

01:01:52 ◼   ► They do the threading in the timeline just like, or very similar to how Twitter does

01:01:58 ◼   ► it.

01:01:59 ◼   ► Which I miss in third-party applications, honestly.

01:02:02 ◼   ► I am so used to the Twitter app and the Twitter website to when somebody replies to something

01:02:08 ◼   ► to see the original tweet in the context of that reply.

01:02:13 ◼   ► And Spring does it, just like Twitter.

01:02:16 ◼   ► And if you don't like it, you can turn it off.

01:02:18 ◼   ► Again, there's the kind of stuff that you

01:02:19 ◼   ► can customize in settings.

01:02:20 ◼   ► So yeah, it's really about this collection of small features

01:02:24 ◼   ► that may be taken on their own.

01:02:29 ◼   ► They don't seem like much, but together they really

01:02:32 ◼   ► adapt to this kind of experience that combines some of the things

01:02:37 ◼   ► that I do like about Twitter's official products,

01:02:41 ◼   ► but also some of the many other conveniences

01:02:44 ◼   ► of third-party apps, like no ads and a ton

01:02:47 ◼   ► of Apple-native features.

01:02:51 ◼   ► Lastly, I do want to mention how this app deals on the iPad

01:02:55 ◼   ► with columns and windows.

01:02:58 ◼   ► And this is maybe the area where I

01:03:00 ◼   ► wish the developer had done things a bit differently.

01:03:06 ◼   ► So you can open detailed views for tweets or profiles in a secondary column.

01:03:15 ◼   ► But you cannot open multiple columns like you used to do in TweetDeck or how you can

01:03:21 ◼   ► do in Aviary or how you can do in TweetBot for Mac.

01:03:25 ◼   ► You cannot spawn column after column after column.

01:03:30 ◼   ► You cannot do that.

01:03:31 ◼   ► Instead, the app lets you open multiple windows.

01:03:34 ◼   ► So that's how I've been using it on the iPad.

01:03:36 ◼   ► Just one window with my home timeline and another window for a saved search or something

01:03:42 ◼   ► else like my mentions.

01:03:45 ◼   ► But I do wish that you could actually have one window for Spring but multiple vertical

01:03:52 ◼   ► columns.

01:03:53 ◼   ► I find this to be incredibly weird and complicated.

01:03:59 ◼   ► Most of the time where I'm using Spring, the column on the right is empty.

01:04:04 ◼   ► And like, that is very strange to me.

01:04:07 ◼   ► Right?

01:04:08 ◼   ► You know what I'm saying?

01:04:09 ◼   ► Using it on the iPad and on the Mac.

01:04:11 ◼   ► Like that column on the right, I can only seem to fill that column if I click on something

01:04:17 ◼   ► where I would like say, to just choose what goes in that column.

01:04:20 ◼   ► Yes.

01:04:21 ◼   ► I find that to be really weird because most of the time that is just an empty, it's either

01:04:26 ◼   ► it empty or it is filled with something that I'm not interested in anymore.

01:04:30 ◼   ► Because I clicked on a tweet and got more context with it, but then I just left it there

01:04:36 ◼   ► and it's like an hour later and that tweet is still just strange. That's an odd design choice.

01:04:42 ◼   ► Exactly, yeah, exactly. I agree. I hope the developer listens to our feedback maybe here

01:04:50 ◼   ► and that they rethink the way that columns work on the app.

01:04:55 ◼   ► But so far, I'm doing OK with multi-window on the iPad.

01:04:59 ◼   ► And as I mentioned, this app works very well

01:05:02 ◼   ► with Stage Manager already, because it fully

01:05:04 ◼   ► supports multi-window.

01:05:05 ◼   ► So there's that.

01:05:06 ◼   ► But yeah, typically, when I switch back

01:05:10 ◼   ► to a third-party client, two things happen.

01:05:15 ◼   ► I either find myself constantly opening the Twitter website

01:05:19 ◼   ► as a fallback because there's always information that I'm missing from a third-party client,

01:05:24 ◼   ► or I just go back to the main Twitter app on my iPhone after like a week.

01:05:31 ◼   ► And I'm not doing that since I started using Spring.

01:05:34 ◼   ► And I think for me a huge part of that is being able to pin saved searches anywhere

01:05:42 ◼   ► in the apps UI, but also having real multi-window support and having the threading in the server

01:05:49 ◼   ► The timeline is also huge for me, and being able to see who liked or retweeted my tweets.

01:05:56 ◼   ► Those features that are inspired by the Twitter app, I think those are combined with the sort

01:06:05 ◼   ► of things that I expect from a quality indie experience, like context menus, multi-window,

01:06:11 ◼   ► keyboard shortcuts.

01:06:13 ◼   ► Those two things combined are helping me stick with Spring and, you know, yeah.

01:06:20 ◼   ► I really like it.

01:06:22 ◼   ► If you're, like, I guess what I would say is if you're curious about a different take

01:06:27 ◼   ► on a third-party Twitter client, there's a Lite version on the App Store.

01:06:31 ◼   ► So it's one of those apps that does it old school.

01:06:33 ◼   ► You can get the Lite version, see if you like it, and then get the full version.

01:06:38 ◼   ► I have a couple of other things that I've observed.

01:06:42 ◼   ► One I like, one I think I like and one I don't like, the thing I don't like is for an app

01:06:48 ◼   ► that has so many settings, let me turn off the trending search, like trending search

01:06:54 ◼   ► results on the search page.

01:06:55 ◼   ► Just let me turn that off.

01:06:57 ◼   ► I don't want to see this at all if I don't need to and I would prefer to not see it,

01:07:02 ◼   ► especially because they don't have ones that are even like customized to me a little bit.

01:07:08 ◼   ► In Twitter, I don't like the trends at all, but at least sometimes the stuff that I'm

01:07:13 ◼   ► interested in, like if there's big Formula One news or whatever, they do a good job of

01:07:16 ◼   ► showing it to me, but I hate the trends.

01:07:19 ◼   ► The thing that is intriguing to me is the default way in which retweets are shown, which

01:07:25 ◼   ► is like a quote tweet.

01:07:29 ◼   ► So if you just retweet something, it shows your account and then the embedded tweet instead

01:07:35 ◼   ► of like the tweet that you've retweeted and like a marker you can change it back to what

01:07:39 ◼   ► they call like the standard traditional retweet layout.

01:07:43 ◼   ► Which I did.

01:07:46 ◼   ► And I just haven't, I'm just not sure yet.

01:07:48 ◼   ► I'm just like I've been trying it out and like it's interesting but I don't know why

01:07:53 ◼   ► they choose to do it this way but it's interesting.

01:07:56 ◼   ► Yeah I'm not sure either I ended up not liking it so I went back to the regular retweet design.

01:08:02 ◼   ► I think I'm going to too, but it was just an intriguing design thing for me where I

01:08:08 ◼   ► have kept bumping up against it where I keep looking for the context of that, of what looks

01:08:14 ◼   ► to be a quote tweet.

01:08:16 ◼   ► But it's at least interesting as like a, because I don't know what technically the right thing

01:08:21 ◼   ► should be.

01:08:22 ◼   ► Should you, I think if you retweet something, should you be more or less attached to it?

01:08:26 ◼   ► I don't know.

01:08:27 ◼   ► It's an interesting app.

01:08:28 ◼   ► Steven, I think you don't like it, right?

01:08:30 ◼   ► I don't love it.

01:08:32 ◼   ► A lot of my complaints with it come down to design decisions.

01:08:36 ◼   ► I love the customization.

01:08:38 ◼   ► I love everything that Frederick, who you walked through.

01:08:40 ◼   ► I find a lot of the UI like difficult to get to look nice.

01:08:45 ◼   ► An example is quote tweets, right?

01:08:47 ◼   ► Which are a big part of Twitter now.

01:08:50 ◼   ► And the design of those, something about the way they're, they're inset.

01:08:55 ◼   ► And like they have a background in light and in dark mode.

01:08:59 ◼   ► I find it difficult to like understand what it's tied to.

01:09:04 ◼   ► Maybe that's just a white space issue.

01:09:07 ◼   ► 'Cause I do think even with all the typeface adjustments,

01:09:10 ◼   ► like everything feels a bit too crowded and busy everywhere.

01:09:15 ◼   ► And I've gone through and turned off what I can,

01:09:18 ◼   ► but I feel like there's a level of polish in the UI

01:09:20 ◼   ► that maybe isn't what it could be.

01:09:23 ◼   ► And maybe that's a, you know,

01:09:25 ◼   ► Maybe that's a trade off with the ability to customize everything.

01:09:30 ◼   ► But the other thing that's that I don't love about it is that it's,

01:09:34 ◼   ► it's super customizable, but those customizations don't sync.

01:09:37 ◼   ► You instead have a export, an export import function where you can like

01:09:43 ◼   ► airdrop. So I've had on my phone and my Mac and you,

01:09:46 ◼   ► it like exports a configuration file and I airdropped it to my Mac.

01:09:50 ◼   ► And then I imported it to spring on the Mac,

01:09:52 ◼   ► which spring on the Mac is not very good.

01:09:54 ◼   ► It's like very obvious that it's the iPad version.

01:09:59 ◼   ► And a lot of the UI stuff is way too big

01:10:02 ◼   ► and really feels pretty weird.

01:10:05 ◼   ► So for me, like I'm glad it's here.

01:10:07 ◼   ► I'm glad people are still experimenting in this space,

01:10:11 ◼   ► but between Tweetbot and the official app,

01:10:15 ◼   ► I just don't think there's room for it for me.

01:10:18 ◼   ► - I think I like it more than Tweetbot.

01:10:20 ◼   ► - Really? - Personally, yeah.

01:10:22 ◼   ► I think it has just more features that I jive with.

01:10:27 ◼   ► The biggest one for me is just like the,

01:10:30 ◼   ► it is the threading layout.

01:10:32 ◼   ► Like I really don't like when I'm in Tweetbot

01:10:35 ◼   ► and like I see a tweet and it's like, what is this even?

01:10:38 ◼   ► Like, what is this referring to?

01:10:40 ◼   ► It just seems like weird.

01:10:41 ◼   ► Like I find myself in, when I'm using Tweetbot so often,

01:10:44 ◼   ► needing to get more information on a tweet.

01:10:47 ◼   ► Like I have to click into the tweet

01:10:48 ◼   ► and see what this is replying to

01:10:50 ◼   ► because like I can tell it's replying to something,

01:10:52 ◼   ► but I don't know what that is.

01:10:54 ◼   ► And I feel like it's just bad at this point.

01:10:57 ◼   ► Like that is a thing that you got to find a way to work on

01:11:00 ◼   ► because this is just how Twitter is used by people.

01:11:03 ◼   ► And I like that this app has it.

01:11:06 ◼   ► And there's just like a couple of other things

01:11:07 ◼   ► like you can mark the Amazon red.

01:11:10 ◼   ► Great.

01:11:11 ◼   ► I just like that I have that feed.

01:11:13 ◼   ► There's just like a lot of features like,

01:11:14 ◼   ► is this is quote unquote beautiful?

01:11:17 ◼   ► No, but like I think it is a better experience

01:11:20 ◼   ► for modern Twitter than Tweetbot is now,

01:11:24 ◼   ► for like what it does.

01:11:25 ◼   ► It's not perfect, right?

01:11:27 ◼   ► But I think is, especially on the iPhone,

01:11:30 ◼   ► I think better and it's closer to what I'm looking for now.

01:11:34 ◼   ► - I did have the thought that,

01:11:36 ◼   ► "Oh, this makes Tweetbot look really outdated."

01:11:40 ◼   ► And is Spring doing things that are available to Tweetbot

01:11:45 ◼   ► that they just haven't taken advantage of,

01:11:47 ◼   ► like the threading?

01:11:48 ◼   ► know is that and I just don't know like is that part of the Twitter API or is

01:11:52 ◼   ► something that they've figured out on their own but there's definitely

01:11:55 ◼   ► features in this app the tweet bot doesn't have that tweet bot should have

01:12:01 ◼   ► at least optionally yeah I don't know what the answer is to that right my

01:12:06 ◼   ► expectation is whatever the answer is they should tweet bot should have done

01:12:10 ◼   ► it as well unless Springs doing things that maybe they shouldn't because maybe

01:12:15 ◼   ► it's a smaller application it's getting away of it I don't know the answer to

01:12:18 ◼   ► to that, right? But the threading thing, if Twitter does provide you an API, surely that

01:12:24 ◼   ► is a solvable thing. Like, you could work that out, right? Like tweets are connected.

01:12:28 ◼   ► I don't know.

01:12:29 ◼   ► I mean, someone has, so, you know.

01:12:31 ◼   ► Yeah, somebody has.

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01:14:45 ◼   ► Hey, don't you know?

01:14:46 ◼   ► This is a just beautifully written statement.

01:14:49 ◼   ► Yes, yes. It's like they just realized that they have flexibility now.

01:14:55 ◼   ► We can do whatever we want.

01:14:57 ◼   ► Hey!

01:14:58 ◼   ► It's a feature specifically designed for the iPad that are also on the Mac.

01:15:02 ◼   ► And they're also very broken right now.

01:15:04 ◼   ► Yeah, it's so PR-ish.

01:15:08 ◼   ► AKA flexibility.

01:15:10 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:15:11 ◼   ► Where people see bugs, we see opportunities.

01:15:18 ◼   ► That's the mantra for Apple VR.

01:15:23 ◼   ► You see problems, we see flexibility.

01:15:26 ◼   ► It's such a beautiful job done here with this statement.

01:15:30 ◼   ► As a bonus, it's gonna be free.

01:15:32 ◼   ► unlike other iPadOS releases.

01:15:36 ◼   ► Hey, look, they used to be paid 12 years ago.

01:15:39 ◼   ► I know.

01:15:40 ◼   ► So.

01:15:41 ◼   ► Sal Bains Hogsley, baby.

01:15:42 ◼   ► I know, yeah.

01:15:43 ◼   ► Do you wanna go back to that?

01:15:44 ◼   ► Nope, no, I do not.

01:15:45 ◼   ► So this is out in beta.

01:15:48 ◼   ► What is new in 16.1, Federico?

01:15:51 ◼   ► So stage manager in 16.1.

01:15:55 ◼   ► They added some new options,

01:16:00 ◼   ► plus button to create a new window for an app that supports multiple windows is in a

01:16:08 ◼   ► better spot now, still takes way too many taps and clicks to get to that spot, but at

01:16:16 ◼   ► least now it's visible.

01:16:18 ◼   ► And now you can invoke the strip of recent apps by swiping with your finger on the screen

01:16:25 ◼   ► from the edge of the display, even if the app that you're using is in full screen,

01:16:30 ◼   ► so you don't have to resize it anymore, now you can just invoke it with a swipe,

01:16:34 ◼   ► the strip also appears in portrait orientation now.

01:16:38 ◼   ► So that's something else that they fixed that

01:16:41 ◼   ► didn't make a lot of sense before, why it was not available in portrait.

01:16:45 ◼   ► But the thing is, in doing this, it's one step forward,

01:16:52 ◼   ► four to five steps back in that the constant crashes. And by constant, I mean, like, literally

01:17:01 ◼   ► on my iPad. Now, I don't know if the problem is me or if other people have the same problem,

01:17:05 ◼   ► but like on my iPad, when I do regular things, I'm not doing anything so fancy, like I'm not exporting

01:17:12 ◼   ► video or rendering 3D stuff. Like, no, I'm just taking notes and browsing Twitter. But it crashes

01:17:18 ◼   ► every 15 minutes or something. Just that. And it takes you back to the lock screen and

01:17:23 ◼   ► you've got to start over. So that's still happening. I tried it again last night just

01:17:27 ◼   ► to make sure. If anything, they made the window snapping behavior even more aggressive than

01:17:34 ◼   ► before. It feels like even more than in previous betas, the system takes away the control from

01:17:42 ◼   ► me when it comes to where I want to place windows. And that was always true of stage

01:17:46 ◼   ► manager, that's partly the idea of stage manager, like, "Hey, don't worry about Windows, we'll

01:17:52 ◼   ► position them for you." But it felt like they had a better balance of, you know, the system's

01:17:59 ◼   ► control and your sense of control. I feel like it was better balanced before. And now,

01:18:08 ◼   ► I also feel like it's easier to cover the strip of recent apps.

01:18:16 ◼   ► It's almost like the system doesn't think there's enough space to show you the recents

01:18:21 ◼   ► anymore.

01:18:22 ◼   ► And all the other problems are still here.

01:18:26 ◼   ► Working with external displays is still very much broken at a fundamental design level.

01:18:31 ◼   ► Broken that is.

01:18:32 ◼   ► What else?

01:18:33 ◼   ► workspaces from the iPads display to an external display is still way too slow. The dock gets

01:18:40 ◼   ► accidentally covered by windows that resize themselves every few minutes. Like the list

01:18:47 ◼   ► goes on and on and on. I hope they can get it done by October. Have they mentioned October

01:18:54 ◼   ► specifically? No, no. They just said this fall. It'll come out when it's ready. I hope

01:19:02 ◼   ► they will be ready. And now I can tell you this, I think they are very much receptive

01:19:08 ◼   ► to feedback at this point. But also, I get the impression that they, you know, Hubris

01:19:18 ◼   ► gets in the way with these companies sometimes. And I feel like there may have been a problem

01:19:23 ◼   ► for half of this summer, that they were maybe so proud of this design, that they started

01:19:30 ◼   ► listening to feedback a little later in the process, and now look where we are. Now I

01:19:37 ◼   ► get the impression that they're listening, but they had to delay the thing because of

01:19:42 ◼   ► that.

01:19:43 ◼   ► I don't know. I hope it gets better. I can tell you that I tried it for about an hour

01:19:49 ◼   ► last night. I saw what I had to see, and I went back to Split View and slide over once

01:19:56 ◼   ► again. So yeah, that's how it's going.

01:19:59 ◼   ► There was a section on ATP last week where Casey was rightfully upset about providing

01:20:05 ◼   ► feedback in like July and being told, "Oh, that's way too late."

01:20:09 ◼   ► Like, when do you want me to do it?

01:20:11 ◼   ► Yeah, seriously.

01:20:12 ◼   ► Do you want me to stay up late at night during the week of WWDC just so that I can file feedback

01:20:17 ◼   ► early for you?

01:20:18 ◼   ► Like, at this point, give me a salary if you want that, you know?

01:20:22 ◼   ► Like, seriously.

01:20:23 ◼   ► But I do think that in this moment, there's a little window of time here, right, before

01:20:29 ◼   ► they pick a new direction and go down or decide, oh, we're just going to fix this, this and

01:20:34 ◼   ► that. But I mean, I'm glad they're doing it. Like, it's not unprecedented. They did it

01:20:40 ◼   ► with what iOS 13, right, like 13.0 was only on new phones, and then 13.1, I guess, unified

01:20:47 ◼   ► it for everybody. So they are willing to do this when they feel like it's necessary. And,

01:20:55 ◼   ► you know, what are we going to get? Are we going to get a month maybe, because there's

01:20:58 ◼   ► probably iPad hardware and if there's iPad hardware they want this out in time

01:21:04 ◼   ► for the holidays we'll see you know we'll see if really what an extra three

01:21:09 ◼   ► or four weeks can buy them what if they ship 16 on iPad hardware and 16.1 still

01:21:17 ◼   ► comes later just like those iPhones it could be yeah it could be or or could 16

01:21:22 ◼   ► ship on new iPads without stage manager and then it comes in 16.1 who knows

01:21:28 ◼   ► Guys, I have an idea. I think Apple, if Apple wants more and better feedback earlier, I

01:21:37 ◼   ► think they should gamify filing feedback. If you're a developer, each 10 feedbacks that

01:21:44 ◼   ► you file, you get an expedited app review made by a real human.

01:21:49 ◼   ► Or just one free card. You can put anything you want in the app.

01:21:56 ◼   ► Or you get points in your account, in your developer account, you get, I don't know.

01:22:01 ◼   ► But yeah, look, I honestly don't know. It feels like there's a, there are two different

01:22:07 ◼   ► conversations happening here. One is, okay, this is stage manager. I am sort of into the

01:22:13 ◼   ► idea. I think I can use this, but there are technical issues and some design problems.

01:22:19 ◼   ► And I think I am sort of in that camp. Like I think I can use stage manager. I think I

01:22:25 ◼   ► can live with the system arranging windows on my behalf, but there are tons of problems right now.

01:22:31 ◼   ► There's the other camp of people saying, "Well, this whole thing, like all of it,

01:22:39 ◼   ► is fundamentally wrong, and you need to go back to the drawing board and redo it all. Like,

01:22:45 ◼   ► this idea of the recent apps on the left, this idea of the system not letting you resize windows,

01:22:50 ◼   ► Because like all of it is wrong and we don't want it.

01:22:55 ◼   ► So there are these two factions right now.

01:22:58 ◼   ► I don't think Apple will listen to the second one.

01:23:01 ◼   ► I don't think Apple will say, "Ah, turns out we were wrong.

01:23:05 ◼   ► We're not doing this anymore.

01:23:06 ◼   ► Sorry, see you next year."

01:23:08 ◼   ► I don't think they're going to do that.

01:23:10 ◼   ► I think they will work really hard on pleasing the first group of people.

01:23:16 ◼   ► Well, I want to see if next year, next WWDC, Stage Manager is a lot different from what

01:23:25 ◼   ► it is today.

01:23:26 ◼   ► Because I think short term, it would be very awkward for Apple to pull it.

01:23:31 ◼   ► But long term, I also think they want to make pro users happier than they are with Stage

01:23:39 ◼   ► Manager.

01:23:40 ◼   ► So they're kind of stuck in between, and it's a very awkward situation at the moment, I

01:23:44 ◼   ► think.

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01:23:54 ◼   ► link to email us with any feedback or follow-up you can also join and get

01:23:58 ◼   ► connected Pro which is a longer ad-free version of the show each and every week

01:24:03 ◼   ► this week the three of us designed our own iPhones and you can you can see

01:24:08 ◼   ► those in the notes for the Pro Show you can find us all online you can find Myke

01:24:13 ◼   ► on Twitter as I M Y K E. He's the host of a bunch of other shows here on Relay FM. You

01:24:19 ◼   ► can find Federico Evatici, V I T I C C I, and he of course is the editor-in-chief of

01:24:24 ◼   ► MaxStories.net, which will be home to his iOS and iPadOS 16 review and coverage. You

01:24:30 ◼   ► all have been doing stuff all summer. It's been great.

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01:24:44 ◼   ► Revuza.

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