412: It's Strong! It's Tough!
  
   
 
 
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     Hello and welcome to Connected episode 412. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It's made possible this week by our sponsors, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     TextExpander, Trade Coffee, Sourcegraph and Ladder. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     My name is Stephen Hackett and I'm joined 
     
     
  
 
 
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     by Mr. Myke Hurley. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     Are you okay? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I was drinking water when you were talking. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Instead of just waiting like a sensible person, I decided I would drink the water really quickly 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and that made everything way worse. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I am joined by a more competent podcaster, Federico Vittucci. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Hello, I am not drinking water and it's good to be here. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     You should, in general. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Okay, okay, let me drink water then, jeez, okay. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     Here, I'm drinking water. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It's good to be hydrated. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I got some too. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Good to be hydrated. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     One of the most important things as a podcaster is to be hydrated. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Water's good, you know? 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     So it's a good drink. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Let's start with some follow-up. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Myke, I have good news for you. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     Your mobility wear solitaire game is on Apple Arcade. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
 
 
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     Caleb sent this in. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     You need to download this and write a review on Mac stories. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I don't want to do that. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     That is like a job which I wouldn't enjoy, I think. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     But I'm happy that it still exists. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I don't really like Solitaire that much. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So this is like a similar thing of like there was just not many games 
     
     
  
 
 
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     because John Voorhees also had "Jurbo Match" or whatever it was called 
     
     
  
 
 
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     in his top 10. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I think it was just there wasn't a lot of apps, right? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So everybody downloaded what was there. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Yeah, it was "Oh, this looks fun. I'll check it out." 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And I remember too, I think we probably spoke about this last week, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Part of it was just like the exploration of what was possible, right? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Because we just didn't know, you know, what developers could do. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And so I felt like for a long time, every new app I downloaded, like, it really didn't 
     
     
  
 
 
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     add like new functionality or new experience to the iPhone. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     That hasn't been true in a long time for the most part, but it's cool to look back. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     That was a lot of fun last week. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     On the last episode I surprised you both by letting you know that Shazam used to be a 
     
     
  
 
 
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     call in service. A couple of days later Apple celebrated Shazam turning 20 years old and 
     
     
  
 
 
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     noting that it used to be a call in service. Shazam launches as a text message service 
     
     
  
 
 
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     August 2002. Based in the UK, at the time users could identify songs by dialing 2580 
     
     
  
 
 
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     on their phone and holding it up as the song played. They were then sent an SMS message 
     
     
  
 
 
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     telling them the song title and name of the artist. It comes from Apple's newsroom blog. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     What's the international prefix for the UK? +44? +44, yep. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     You're gonna try and call them? 0044 2580. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I don't know if it works anymore. Do you have music playing? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Well, I can. Let's see. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     If it works. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     I mean, realistically, it would have been easier if you would have just asked 
     
     
  
 
 
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     me to do this no it's not working you want me to try yes instead it's probably 
     
     
  
 
 
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     makes more sense right let me see what happens two five eight zero that's good 
     
     
  
 
 
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     it's just one straight line down it's a good number oh that's clever calling 
     
     
  
 
 
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     please tell me somebody picks up tell them you're on a podcast nothing's 
     
     
  
 
 
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     actually happening oh no it just says calling but there's no actual sound 
     
     
  
 
 
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     that's sad your phone needs a cooling system like Federico's did in the pro 
     
     
  
 
 
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     show mm-hmm yeah get connected pro co I don't think it's active okay it's not 
     
     
  
 
 
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     active anymore that's what a ride though to go from a dial-in service in the UK 
     
     
  
 
 
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     to being a option and control center on the iPhone like not sure I appreciate 
     
     
  
 
 
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     the UK part of that. I mean just that it started in one country I didn't mean it 
     
     
  
 
 
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     as a slide against your nation. Alright but here's the thing though no because if 
     
     
  
 
 
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     if this would have started in America you wouldn't have said USA you you 
     
     
  
 
 
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     wouldn't have said oh imagine that to have started as a call-in service to the 
     
     
  
 
 
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     USA. Don't Casey list me I will not be Casey list. No you're Casey listing me is what's 
     
     
  
 
 
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     happening. Federico you understand what I'm saying right if they would have been 
     
     
  
 
 
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     an American service he wouldn't have said USA. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Hmm, yeah. Right? He wouldn't have said, oh, imagine that as a phone service in America 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and now you're in control centers. Yeah, it was said in a slightly, not pejorative 
     
     
  
 
 
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     way, but like, oh, from this cute small, quaint country in Europe, the UK. You may have heard 
     
     
  
 
 
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     of it. Yeah. But most Americans refer to other countries like that. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Can you guys give me two minutes to go answer my door? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So now look at this. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     He's backing away from the podcast. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     You guys keep talking. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Whatever you say I'm going to leave in unless I decide not to leave it in. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I think I'm just going to wait until he comes back. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I don't have anything funny enough to say. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Unless you do Federico, do you have any grievances you want to air about Steven? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     About Steven? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Well, not in particular. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     He's a good person, you know. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     He's a good man. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Oh, this is... 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Now he will leave this in. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I don't have anything bad to say about Steven. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Every time I ask him for favors, he does them. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And very quickly also. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Should we just swear a bunch? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Before we started the recording, at all, Federico very excitedly told me, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     to which I became very excited, that there's a new Arctic Monkeys album coming this year. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     So that's good news. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     That's good, excellent news, called "The Car". 
     
     
  
 
 
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     The car. That's the name of the album, The Car. You get to listen to and you're in the car? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Yeah. The car in the car? The car in the car. I'm kind of just waiting though. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Where has he gone even? I bet this is something to do with his calendar. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Hey. Oh hey. Was that something to do with your calendar? Was it the postman? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Well it was the FedEx man. Myke you know what this is. Secrets. Already? It's right here. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Oh, is it good? I don't know. Do we do a live unboxing? Just tell people what it is? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Yeah. Every September, we're just gonna do this. Relay FM raises money for St. Jude Children's 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Research Hospital. It's a hospital and research institution that serves kids and their families 
     
     
  
 
 
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     from all over the world. Their research is shared freely around the world and every September we 
     
     
  
 
 
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     raise money for their work. This year, if you go to stjude.org/relay, you will see two options. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     One, you can donate directly like you always have, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and there's some really cool rewards for that. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     But if you want to sign up and do your own fundraising team 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and fundraise alongside us and get your family 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and friends and coworkers involved, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     there's a different set of really cool rewards for that. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - Incentives, incentives I think is the legal word 
     
     
  
 
 
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     we're supposed to use. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - One of them, I got the test print. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     We did a desk mat of the co-founder sticker head artwork. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
 
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     - So I have just put in the Discord 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and people can see it stjude.org/relay. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     You can scroll down and see an artist's rendition 
     
     
  
 
 
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     of the desk mat. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - Oh my God. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - But Steven just received the first test sample 
     
     
  
 
 
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     of the desk mat. - This is incredible. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - Come on, I need a picture. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Okay, let me, it's really big. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I need to sit on my floor, hang on. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - So I'll talk a little bit more. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So we're gonna be kind of kicking off 
     
     
  
 
 
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     the official proper messaging about this next week. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     That was the plan, but you can go and see all of this now 
     
     
  
 
 
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     at sttude.org/relay. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And as Stephen said, you can give yourself, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and there are a bunch of great rewards for that. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     We have a sticker pack, but also some wallpapers. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And this year, just an incredible macOS screensaver 
     
     
  
 
 
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     that James Thompson made, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     which is just unbelievably incredible. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     These will be available and sent out 
     
     
  
 
 
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     after the campaign is over. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And so you can donate and that's amazing. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     But if you sign up and fundraise on our behalf, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     where you'll be fundraising yourself 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and you can go out to your friends, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     your family, your coworkers, maybe you can stream, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     maybe you can share it on your podcast, on your website. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Anybody that raises $1 gets a Relay FM challenge coin, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Relay FM St. Jude challenge coin. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     These are only available to people that raise 
     
     
  
 
 
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     at least $1 for fundraising themselves. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     But if you raise over $250, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     you will receive a desk mat of the co-founder heads. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Oh my God, it looks incredible and it's huge. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - Yeah, I put a field notes on it for size. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - It's so good. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - It's really good. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - Wow, it's so good. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I'm getting one soon. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So we'll be doing a lot of streaming throughout September. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Me and Steven will have these on our desks while we stream. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It's incredible. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     This looks so much better 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I imagined it was going to look. Yes, I am into this. Wow. So, stduid.org/relay. We'll 
     
     
  
 
 
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     talk about it more next week, but, you know, don't delay. Start fundraising today. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Oh, that's really good. You just come up with that off the top of your head? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Off the top of my old dome. Yeah, I'm just so amped up and excited after seeing this thing. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Not bad for an old man. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Younger than you. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     That's true. Yes, we would love if people would get involved this year. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I rescind it. This was worth you going answering the door. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Yes. Wait, did you say it wasn't? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I was talking trash. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Oh, it was so mad. It's like, I don't understand. This is so unprofessional. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     We're in the midst of recording a podcast. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It was lots of things like that, you know? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It's also his company. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I knew that's what it was. I had to go. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It actually wasn't. I didn't say that. I didn't say that. I just didn't like the pressure in the moment. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Well, speaking of pressure in the moment, you want to let people know what happened 
     
     
  
 
 
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     on the Club Max Stories Town Hall yesterday? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Yes, so we... 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Steven and I contributed to the kind of anniversary of Club Max Stories, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and it was like a Town Hall thing they did in their Discord. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I will say I was encouraged during the Discord to do 
     
     
  
 
 
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     a very impromptu quick connected quiz, where I just asked the two of them one 
     
     
  
 
 
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     simple question. Basically, could the other guess what the other was just about 
     
     
  
 
 
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     to say? There was 100 points on the line. They 
     
     
  
 
 
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     they both lost 100 points. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So the overall totals of Steven and Federico 
     
     
  
 
 
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     have decreased by 100. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Steven now has 2,873 points. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Federico has 2,201 points. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     That is an update for you all, for those keeping score. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Basically nothing's changed except they've both gone down. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - Is there anything else we need to do in follow up? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - I don't think so. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - I mean, we can just skip over that. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - Well, there is a thing that was a topic actually 
     
     
  
 
 
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     that I thought had been taken out of the show, but it's been snuck in here and I think we 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:11:20
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     were just trying to be tricked. Federica, what is in this document? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:11:24
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     There's a line of text that says "The fate of the Hackett M2 Air." So, yeah, what's the 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     To recap, my wife has been using an M1 MacBook Air with a whatever the small, the LG 4K Ultrafine, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I think it's 21 and a half inches about the same size as the old small iMac and she's using that for a while 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     Tiny desk in the corner of our den. I got this m2 air. It was gonna be hers. The m1 air was gonna replace a 
     
     
  
 
 
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     2018 Intel MacBook Air the kids have been using for homework and that sort of thing had it all planned out 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:12:01
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     The problem is that I really like the m2 air and so I you know set it up. I used it for a while 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Put Ventura on it and wrote my review which we talked about last week. I've been telling her is like hey, you know 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:12:14
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     This machine is gonna be yours. We're gonna you know one evening or you know over the course of a day 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:12:19
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     I'll you know do all the you know, like two or three data migrations necessary to make all this work and 
     
     
  
 
 
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     We ended up doing something different so she's decided that she wants to 
     
     
  
 
 
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     she doesn't really use her computer that much she's mostly iPad first at home and 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:12:38
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     And we're talking about redoing our DIN, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     it's like the desk was gonna have to move 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and we weren't sure where it was gonna go. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And so there's all these other factors 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:12:47
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     affecting her setup kind of at the same time 
     
     
  
 
 
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     as I'm changing these computers around. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:12:52
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     Why do you keep laughing? 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:12:55
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     So at the end of the day, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     she's decided to forego her external display 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:13:01
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     and just use a notebook. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:13:03
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     But she wanted to have something 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:13:07
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     potentially a little bit bigger than the Air. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:13:09
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     ► 
     So she now has my 14 inch MacBook Pro. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:13:14
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     ► 
     Yeah, so she's got the 14 inch MacBook Pro, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:13:15
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     she's using it standalone. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:13:17
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     I've got the Air. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:13:19
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     And the kids have the M1. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:13:20
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     No, this is fair, Mary wins. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:13:22
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     'Cause I thought Mary was about to lose. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:13:24
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     That's why I thought this was going. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
 
	 00:13:27
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     Mary gets a ThinkPad. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:13:29
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     I have a great iBook G3. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:13:33
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     It's bigger. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:13:34
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     Yeah, and it's orange, what do you want? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:13:36
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     I mean, that's what I wanted on this machine. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:13:37
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     So she did once, there's a story, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:13:41
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     it's on a Mac story somewhere. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:13:42
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     I wrote about the clamshell iBook a few years ago 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:13:45
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     and she modeled it for me. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And I don't know, she hasn't let me live that down yet. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:13:49
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     So yeah, that's what we've done. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:13:51
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     And man, I gotta say like, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:13:52
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     I have this 2018 Intel Air now in my office. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:13:55
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     That keyboard is so bad. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:13:57
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     I know we talked about it for so long. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And the 2018 was like the final revision 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:14:01
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     of the butterfly keyboard, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:14:03
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     but it sounds and feels like garbage 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:14:05
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     and the space bar is broken. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:14:06
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     So I gotta, I gotta do a repair on that machine. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:14:08
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     ► 
     But it's a, that's where we ended up. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:14:10
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     ► 
     So I've got the Air, she has my 14 inch MacBook Pro. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:14:14
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     ► 
     I do have a user set up on that machine. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:14:17
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     I mean, I had to go back to Monterey on it 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:14:19
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     'cause it had Ventura. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:14:20
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     So my user is basically just empty, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:14:22
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     but on the occasion that it would be useful 
     
     
  
 
 
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     for me to have a machine with HDMI and more inputs, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:14:29
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     ► 
     like, you know, occasionally I get pulled into like 
     
     
  
 
 
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     running AV for something at church 
     
     
  
 
 
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     or with the scouts or something 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:14:34
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     that I can use that machine if I need it. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:14:38
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     ► 
     So that's where we ended up. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:14:40
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     ► 
     - Okay, that's ended up pretty well. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:14:42
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     ► 
     - I think so. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:14:43
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     ► 
     Yeah, and she really likes it. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:14:44
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     ► 
     She's been using it and we're gonna disassemble her desk 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:14:48
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     ► 
     and I don't know what to do with that LG 4K display, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:14:51
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     ► 
     but I'll find a home for that. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - Send it to Casey. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - Apple event. - Yeah. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:16:49
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     ► 
     - September 7th. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:16:51
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     ► 
     It was predicted and it is happening. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:16:54
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     ► 
     There is a part in person event, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:16:58
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     ► 
     but it's all gonna be streamed it seems 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:17:03
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     ► 
     as kind of as it has been. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:17:04
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     ► 
     I guess the kind of mixture is people will be there 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:17:11
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     ► 
     and we'll be able to watch it, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:17:12
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     ► 
     but they will be watching what we see, I don't know. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:17:16
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     ► 
     - Yeah, I don't think we, I mean, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:17:19
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     ► 
     I don't think we super know like on the surface of it, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:17:23
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     ► 
     it seems like it's what it used to be, right? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:17:26
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     People are there and then we're watching something. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:17:29
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     Whether they're watching real people on stage or not 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:17:32
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     seems to be unknown. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:17:34
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     ► 
     So I don't know. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:17:35
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     ► 
     - Very good point. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:17:36
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     ► 
     I just make assumptions. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:17:37
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     ► 
     Like I just, they can do, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:17:40
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     ► 
     they did it with way more people at the minute BC, right? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:17:42
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     ► 
     Just sat in the elevator, watch a video. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:17:44
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     ► 
     But this allows for the hands-on areas and the briefings 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:17:49
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     ► 
     and that kind of stuff to happen 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:17:50
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     ► 
     in the environment that they would like. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:17:52
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     ► 
     Who knows? None of us, right, got invited to go now. No, no, we just all kind of got 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:18:02
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     ► 
     emails to say hey, we're all upset. No, that's that's no, we're not. We did this one. I did 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:18:10
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     ► 
     this once already this year. Didn't go great. So wasn't Kenan doing it again. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:18:16
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     ► 
     iPhones, Apple Watches, I guess is what we're expecting. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:18:22
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     ► 
     - Especially now, we're gonna talk about iOS 16.1 later on, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:18:26
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     ► 
     but it seems pretty clear cut now 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:18:27
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     ► 
     what will and won't be at this event. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:18:30
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     ► 
     - I mean, it seems like this one's pretty nailed down. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:18:33
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     ► 
     I feel like we've known about the four phone strategy 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:18:36
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     ► 
     for a long time now. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:18:39
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     ► 
     And we've read a lot about the Apple Watch Pro 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:18:44
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     ► 
     that, you know, Gherman in particular 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:18:46
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     ► 
     has written a lot about. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:18:47
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     ► 
     So I don't know if we'll see many surprises here, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:18:50
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     ► 
     hardware wise, the only sort of wild card in my mind 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:18:53
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     ► 
     is something AirPods, you know, maybe new AirPods Pro. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:18:58
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     ► 
     - Well, it's about time for the Pro 2 for sure. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:19:01
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     ► 
     Maybe the new Max iteration, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:19:07
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     ► 
     but for sure, like it's about time I think for a second, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:19:11
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     ► 
     for a revision to the AirPods Pro. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:19:13
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     ► 
     It's been over two years, I believe, at this point. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:19:17
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     ► 
     But yeah, hardware-wise, I agree, that's possibly, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:19:21
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     ► 
     I mean, and I mean, there's always the wild 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:19:24
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     ► 
     like accessory prediction, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:19:26
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     ► 
     like they're gonna do a new cleaning cloth or something. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:19:30
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     ► 
     You know, new cables. - You just wanna be 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:19:31
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     ► 
     in the New York Times again. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:19:32
     ◼
      
     ► 
     - Well, prepare for the grand return of Mr. Vitici 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:19:36
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     ► 
     in the New York Times, if they do that. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:19:39
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     ► 
     - You know me, I'm a collector of cleaning cloths, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:19:43
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     ► 
     And yeah, but that's, you know, we'll have to see what they do. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:19:48
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     ► 
     But yeah, I guess I am curious myself 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:19:52
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     ► 
     about the positioning of the Apple Watch Pro model. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:19:56
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     ► 
     Because typically, Pro models, like sure, the iPhone Pros 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:20:01
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     ► 
     and the iPad Pros are-- 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:20:03
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     ► 
     they are very broadly aimed at professionals. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:20:07
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     ► 
     Like on the iPad Pro, the Pro features are-- 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:20:12
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     ► 
     There are some functionalities that, sure, artists 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:20:15
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     ► 
     can take advantage of. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:20:16
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     ► 
     But really, pro means best model. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:20:20
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     ► 
     That's what it means. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:20:21
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     ► 
     And same on the iPhone. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:20:22
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     ► 
     Sure, some features are directly aimed at photographers, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:20:26
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     ► 
     but really, pro means this is the best version of the iPhone 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:20:29
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     ► 
     that you can get. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:20:30
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     ► 
     There was an article on The Verge, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:20:32
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     ► 
     I think, from last year that pro has lost all its meaning now. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:20:35
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     ► 
     And I kind of agree with that. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:20:36
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     ► 
     Pro just means the more expensive one with more stuff. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:20:39
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     ► 
     So, in the context of the Apple Watch, the rumors that we've heard so far are pointing at a watch 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:20:45
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     ► 
     aimed at people who are into extreme sports, and you know, so this is like a rugged version. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:20:51
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     ► 
     And I kind of understand all of that because they want to capture the market 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:20:55
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     where companies like Fitbit and Garmin are still very much selling these more advanced watches for 
     
     
  
 
 
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     those kinds of activities. So watches that you can go multiple days, you can go on a hike, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and it's got a giant battery in it, and it's got more accurate GPS, a more accurate altimeter, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     for example, all that kind of stuff. There's still a market of people buying those more advanced 
     
     
  
 
 
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     watches. But isn't that too small a niche for Apple to say this is Apple Watch Pro? So I kind 
     
     
  
 
 
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     of wonder if, sure, those features will be in the Apple Watch Pro, but the positioning from Apple 
     
     
  
 
 
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     will be a little broader so that people like Myke and I, I don't think we are into extreme sports, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     last time I checked, but also people like Myke and I could say "you know what, this is the best 
     
     
  
 
 
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     version, I'm just gonna get an Apple Watch Pro". I'm curious about that. Yes, I've had that thought 
     
     
  
 
 
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     too, like I... if the features of this thing are like "it's strong, it's tough", I was like "I don't 
     
     
  
 
 
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     don't need those right. Okay, so Stephen does, but I don't need those features 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and even just like so that I mean you know and there's things they could add 
     
     
  
 
 
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     to it. Maybe that would be more interested in like for me, bigger screen. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     No, I don't think I need the watch to be bigger. So like, but you know some 
     
     
  
 
 
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     people would want that and that's not about rugged at all. It's just about 
     
     
  
 
 
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     like, oh, do you really love the Apple watch or wouldn't it be better if it was 
     
     
  
 
 
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     bigger, which is like you know that's the way it is for for a lot of devices. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So I am intrigued to see what they position this as. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I do agree that like whilst I wanted it to be called Apple Watch Extreme because I thought that was fun, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Apple Watch Pro is probably just a better catch-all name to cover off a bunch of people, right? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Like they can say it's stronger, they can say it's more durable, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     but that doesn't make it a rugged sports watch. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     But they can say it has longer battery life and a bigger screen 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and that kind of appeals to a whole bigger, more broad set of people that way. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Just so it's the pro one, it's just got more of all of it. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So that's the one thing that I'm keeping an eye on. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Everything else seems that we pretty much know what's going to happen. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     The mini iPhone is going away. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     We're going to get two sizes per line of iPhone 14. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I guess maybe the other area where, and this is also where we get the points usually for 
     
     
  
 
 
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     a risky pick for the Ricky's which are coming up, but iOS taking advantage of new stuff 
     
     
  
 
 
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     that's exclusive to the 14 line. That's maybe an area where there could be surprises waiting 
     
     
  
 
 
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     for us. I'm sure there's going to be some photography related additional like a new 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I expect there'll be quite a lot of that for the Pro phone if the things are true, right? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Which is the removal of the notch, the addition of an always-on display. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And I don't know if they'll do software stuff for the camera because the camera on the Pro is 
     
     
  
 
 
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     like a physically different thing, potentially, is what the rumors are. It's like a 48 megapixel 
     
     
  
 
 
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     camera. So that on its own will be enough. Honestly, I was thinking about this. I hope 
     
     
  
 
 
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     that this is the removal of that sweater mode thing. What was it called? Deep Fusion. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Deep Fusion. I hope that the higher megapixel camera means they can get rid of that feature. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Because I a lot of the time don't like what it does to my images and I think they shouldn't need 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:24:33
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     to do that anymore if they have a higher megapixel camera which will still just be binned down so they 
     
     
  
 
 
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     can take advantage of all of the additional information coming from the sensor. I still 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:24:44
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     think if they are increasing the RAM on the Pro models, I still think that, well, I don't 
     
     
  
 
 
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     know, could they do it? But split view on the iPhone, I still think that it would make 
     
     
  
 
 
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     sense. Now, I cannot reuse this as a risky pick in our game, because that was my risky 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:25:05
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     pick for WWDC, but I still think multi-casking on the big iPhones, Apple probably needs to 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:25:14
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     do more on that front, especially if they're gonna go... 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:25:18
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     Stage manager is what you're saying. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:25:21
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     Stage manager on iPhone. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:25:22
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     Stage manager on the iPhone. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:25:24
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     I mean honestly, that UI would probably make more sense on a phone with the little cards 
     
     
  
 
 
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     that you can swipe away. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It's just a smaller stage. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I mean, at that point, you're kind of remaking web OS, if you think about it. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And you have those little stacks of... 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:25:38
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     Wouldn't that be wonderful, though? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:25:39
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     You have those little stacks of windows that you can swipe away to multitask. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:25:42
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     I mean, come on. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:25:44
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     Man, I remember when they introduced the Plus phones, and it was like, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:25:48
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     "You can turn your phone sideways and everything changes." 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:25:51
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     I mean, that all just went away. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:25:53
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     I will say, Federico, to your point there, like, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     the fact that there will be two large phones, if they're going to do it, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     they could do it, right? Imagine if they do. I will lose my mind if they do that. I mean, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:26:07
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     I would be so happy, honestly. Because I honestly find myself wishing for it all the time. And 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:26:14
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     if there's a company that can make it look nicer than Android, I mean, Apple can do it. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:26:21
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     Just from a fundamental level it works, because picture-in-picture exists, right? Exactly. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:26:24
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     I can fill up like a large portion of my phone with picture-in-picture, and I do frequently, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:26:29
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     and I can still use my phone, right? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:26:31
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     So like, you know, I would love to see it. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:26:35
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     You'd love to see it. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:26:36
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     - You can have picture in picture on a phone. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:26:38
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     You can have a keyboard that floats on one side 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:26:41
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     or the other side. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:26:42
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     I mean, why not have split view at this point? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:26:44
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     You can do drag and drop between amps. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:26:46
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     I mean, all the parts are there. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:26:49
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     But also this is like a major developer related thing 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:26:53
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     that probably needs to wait for WWDC if they ever do it. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:26:57
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     But I mean, on iOS, you're essentially, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I don't want to say that you're scraping 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:27:02
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     the bottom of a barrel these days 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:27:04
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     ► 
     when it comes to innovation on the phone OS, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:27:07
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     but also they kind of are. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:27:09
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     And I mean, widgets are saving them this year, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:27:12
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     ► 
     but really like what, well, we'll talk about this. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:27:14
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     This is sort of the angle that I'm taking for my iOS review. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:27:17
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     So we'll talk about this later, but yeah. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:27:19
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     - We're doing the Ricky's next week. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:27:21
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     So happy for two week notices to come back. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
 
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     Thank you to whoever did that. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:27:28
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     Devin, not having, 'cause we would have had, you know, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:27:31
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     we wouldn't have had 10 minutes notice 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:27:33
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     it probably would have been a bit like a day 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:27:35
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     and it would have sucked. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:27:36
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     ► 
     So I'm so happy that we get more notice. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:27:41
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     ► 
     - Well, although that means that iOS is coming up very soon. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:27:47
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     ► 
     And I, you know, I'm starting to feel that pressure 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:27:53
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     ► 
     of, yeah, it's happening. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:27:55
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     I really hope it's not the day after the event. I hope they stick to next week. So we'll see. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:28:03
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     ► 
     What do you think though? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:28:06
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     Right? I think they're gonna do the following Monday. My perfect scenario would be the following 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:28:15
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     Wednesday. So a week from today. When it's event day, obviously. My ideal scenario would be at the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:28:22
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     the event or in a press release, they say next week on Wednesday. So I have a full 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:28:28
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     week to finish everything. But I think it's also very likely that they're gonna 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:28:33
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     ► 
     do Monday instead of Wednesday of the following week. Let's try and plan out 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:28:37
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     ► 
     some of these dates here and look at my calendar. So I think they're gonna do iOS 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:28:41
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     ► 
     on the 12th. So we've got event on the 7th, iOS on the 12th. Are we thinking 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:28:48
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     ► 
     iPhones on the 16th? Yeah. So pre-orders on the 9th, right? Where's the September calendar? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:28:57
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     ► 
     So the 9th is Friday. Exactly, exactly. So they could also do... So I mentioned Wednesday because 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:29:03
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     ► 
     in the past they have done the new iOS releases on the Wednesday with the new iPhones coming out 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:29:09
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     ► 
     on the Friday. They have done this. Although I believe that in the past couple of years they 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:29:14
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     ► 
     I've released iOS on a Monday, hence why I'm mentioning the 12 instead. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:29:21
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     ► 
     Maybe they do it on Tuesday. Give it one extra day. It's probably good to be ready for the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:29:28
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     ► 
     12 though. Well, they'll say though, won't they? But mentally now as you're preparing. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:29:34
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     ► 
     I'm preparing for the 12, yeah. So we'll see. How many days do I have? 20? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:29:43
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     ► 
     about 20 days to finish it and edit it. No, like 18 or 19. Well 19, yeah. Yeah. We'll get there. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:29:55
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     ► 
     Eventually. 16th would be nice. Podcastathon day. New iPhones in the morning, provided Stephen can 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:30:06
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     ► 
     get one. Yeah, every week. For each of us. Because that's what he had to do before. This is the first 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:30:12
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     ► 
     podcast of the Stephen had to buy buy an iPhone for me yep because I was 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:30:17
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     ► 
     obviously in America that day did it helpful did it work when you went back 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:30:21
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     ► 
     to the UK yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah there are certain bands and this one was the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:30:28
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     ► 
     5g thing could be a problem yeah I've just realized a little worried about 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:30:32
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     ► 
     that oh that might be an issue maybe maybe we get your Apple watch here 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:30:38
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     ► 
     instead of a phone. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:30:39
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     ► 
     - No, no, no, I can check it. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:30:40
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     ► 
     Like if the current one works, then the next one will work. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:30:44
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     ► 
     'Cause I just, we don't have millimeter wave, right? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:30:46
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     ► 
     So the millimeter wave stuff is like, whatever, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:30:50
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     ► 
     that won't work, but it doesn't currently. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:30:52
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     ► 
     But we have like the regular 5G, whatever that's called. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:30:57
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     ► 
     - Something, something, something, yep. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:30:59
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     ► 
     - To be fair, most people in the US 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:31:01
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     ► 
     have never experienced millimeter wave either, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:31:03
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     ► 
     so it's fine. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:31:05
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     ► 
     I've seen it one time and I couldn't connect to it. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:31:09
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     ► 
     The phone said it was on there, but it had no data. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:31:12
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     ► 
     So that was exciting. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:31:14
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     ► 
     This episode of Connected is made possible by trade. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:31:19
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     Myke, tell us about your trade coffee experience. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:31:22
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     - Oh, I love trade coffee. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:31:24
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     I love coffee in general. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:31:26
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     ► 
     And one of the great joys for me was learning a little bit 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:31:29
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     ► 
     about what types of coffee I enjoyed, like flavor profiles. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:31:34
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     ► 
     'cause that really helped me narrow down 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:31:36
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	 00:31:37
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     And what I love about Trade 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:31:39
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	 00:31:41
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     ► 
     So they kind of lead you into it, right? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:31:42
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     ► 
     So you go in, go to their website, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:31:44
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     ► 
     you fill out their quiz, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:31:45
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     ► 
     and they ask you some simple questions 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:31:47
     ◼
      
     ► 
     of like, which tastes do you enjoy in general? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:31:50
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     ► 
     And they can then help you narrow down 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:31:52
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	 00:31:54
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     ► 
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	 00:31:55
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	 00:31:57
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     ► 
     And they have done that for me time and time again, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:32:00
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     ► 
     just from filling out that stuff in the first place, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:32:02
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     ► 
     they sent me some things, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:32:03
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     ► 
     I learned about some new roasteries that I enjoy. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:32:06
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     ► 
     Really just a wonderful experience. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:32:07
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     ► 
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	 00:32:09
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	 00:32:12
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     ► 
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	 00:32:14
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     ► 
     And the coffee you'll be drinking 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:32:16
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     ► 
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	 00:32:20
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     ► 
     which helps out those small businesses as well. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:32:23
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     ► 
     It's actually really cool. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:32:24
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     ► 
     Trade's coffee team actually taste tests 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:32:26
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	 00:32:29
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     ► 
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	 00:32:31
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	 00:32:33
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	 00:32:36
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     ► 
     and Trade will help you find it. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:32:37
     ◼
      
     ► 
     They're so confident they'll match you correctly 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:32:40
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     ► 
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	 00:32:43
     ◼
      
     ► 
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	 00:32:46
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	 00:32:48
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     ► 
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	 00:32:53
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     ► 
     or you just know when your coffee tastes 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:32:56
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     ► 
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	 00:32:57
     ◼
      
     ► 
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     Like Myke said, it just takes answering 
     
     
  
 
 
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     at DrinkTrade.com/Connected and let trade find you a coffee 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     Our thanks to Trade for their support of the show 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and Relay FM. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Apple has expanded their self-service repair program. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And this was announced a while back 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and we got some iPhone components 
     
     
  
 
 
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     for select late model iPhones. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And now the M1 MacBook Air, the M1 MacBook Pro 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and the 14 and 16 inch MacBook Pros have been added 
     
     
  
 
 
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     to the self service repair store. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     This is only in the US, but it's supposed to expand outside 
     
     
  
 
 
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     beyond the US including Europe later this year unknown. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - Still continues to be later, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     but they've said it again like later. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - Yeah, I mean there's some months left, you know. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - Yeah, sure there's laters. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     had a moment the other day where I needed to schedule something for three months out. I was 
     
     
  
 
 
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     like, Oh, that's during the holidays. I'm like, Nope, I don't like that. So the self service 
     
     
  
 
 
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     repair for the MacBook Air and MacBook Pro, there's more than a dozen different repairs for each 
     
     
  
 
 
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     model. These include basically everything you think it would write the display, the top case 
     
     
  
 
 
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     of battery, which I'm going to come back to in a minute the trackpad with even more coming on again 
     
     
  
 
 
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     later. Jason actually over in Six Colors has a full list of all the parts. I would like, I would, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I think we should read this, read this list. What do you guys think? Yeah. How do you want to, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     do you have a special way you like this? I think we round robin them. Okay, who starts? Federico 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and then Myke and then me. Okay. Okay, wow, this is an easy one. Antenna module, MacBook Air only. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Audio board. Audio board flex cable. MacBook Air only. Battery. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     MacBook Air only. Battery Management Unit. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     BMU. Flex cable. Bottom case. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Display. Display hinge covers. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Embedded Display Port Flex Cable with Connector Calling. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     MBA. MacBook Air. And 13 inch MacBook Pro only. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     Well there's a parenthesis. No it's good. MacBook Pro only. Yeah the MacBook Air doesn't have any fans. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I/O board, MacBook Air and 13-inch MacBook Pro only. Keycap replacement. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     LID angle sensor, LAS, module, 14 inch and 16 inch MacBook Pro only. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Logic board, MagSafe 3 board, 14 and 16 inch MacBook Pro only. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Speakers, MacBook Air and 13 inch MacBook Pro only. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Top case, MacBook Air only. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Top case with battery, MacBook Pro only. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Touch ID board. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     trackpad and trackpad flex cable. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     USB-C boards, 14 and 16 inch MacBook Pro only. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     It's a lot of parts. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
 
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     So actually it is quite a lot of parts. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I have a couple of questions. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Keycap replacement. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I'm intrigued at that because different, different? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     No, all the same, right? 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     Cause the MacBook Air, yes. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Well, even if they are different, you're ordering against your serial number. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So they would know like if there's some discrete, small difference somewhere 
     
     
  
 
 
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     they'll send you the right thing I'm sure. On that you have to provide your 
     
     
  
 
 
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     serial number to get access to parts. You can buy the tools without the serial 
     
     
  
 
 
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     numbers but this is unlike the iPhone so with the iPhone you just go buy parts 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:37:20
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     but to buy stuff from the Mac store you have to provide a serial number. 9to5Mac 
     
     
  
 
 
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     spoke with the support team and confirmed that you can only swap out 
     
     
  
 
 
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     out matching parts. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Basically, you can't use this as a way 
     
     
  
 
 
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     to get more RAM for your computer and stuff like that. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - Yeah, this is how, I mean, a hundred years ago 
     
     
  
 
 
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     when I was in this business, this is how it worked then too. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Like you were trading like for like parts. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So if you were replacing a logic board 
     
     
  
 
 
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     with a two gigahertz core two duo, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     you were putting that same logic board exactly 
     
     
  
 
 
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     back in the machine. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:37:58
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     and Apple verified when you sent parts back 
     
     
  
 
 
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     that you weren't doing something like this. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And I would imagine now 
     
     
  
 
 
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     that basically everything is the logic board. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:38:10
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     Like they're gonna be really, really careful 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:38:13
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     to make sure people are doing 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:38:15
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     what they're supposed to do here. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:38:17
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     I think it's interesting reading this list too. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:38:20
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     It's very clear in reading this 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:38:21
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     that the MacBook Air and the MacBook Pro, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:38:23
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     the 13 inch are the old design 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:38:26
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     because they don't have MagSafe. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:38:29
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     They don't have the USB-C ports as separate daughterboards. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:38:33
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     So like on the 14 to 16, if you break the USB-C port, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:38:37
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     you're not replacing the whole logic board. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:38:38
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     It's its own discrete component 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:38:40
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     that you fish out of there and plug in a new one. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:38:43
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     So it's kind of interesting to see the differences to me 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:38:46
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     as someone who spent a lot of time 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:38:47
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     taking these things apart over the years 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:38:49
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     to kind of see where this line is drawn 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:38:53
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     between these models. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I'm going to put my serial number in. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:38:59
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     - What repair type do we wanna look at? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:39:04
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     We've got audio board, battery management, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:39:06
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     basically the parts, right? 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:39:08
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     - What do you wanna know? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:39:09
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     - I think we do logic board. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:39:11
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     Let's go for the big one. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     Logic board, processing your request. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:39:16
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     Man, it's taking a long time. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:39:19
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     It's just spinning here. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:39:20
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     - It's not a good website, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:39:21
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     but we've talked about that before. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:39:23
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     - So it pre-fills a bunch of stuff. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:39:24
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     So it's pre-filled, 10 core, 24 core GPU, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:39:28
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     64 gigabytes memory, two terabyte SSD. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:39:31
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     So it's pre-filled that, so I press search. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:39:34
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     It will cost $2,550.24 to change the logic board, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:39:39
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     which comes with the touch ID board. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:39:42
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     And I would, but off the credit, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:39:45
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     so you can send the old items back to them. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:39:48
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     If they accept them, it would cost me $500 total. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:39:53
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     - Yeah, it's basically a core charge, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:39:54
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     very common in the repair industry. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:39:57
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     ► 
     It's definitely true for cars too, right? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:39:59
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     Like if you need an alternator, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:40:00
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     they send you your old one back 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:40:02
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     ► 
     and you get a discount or something. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:40:03
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     So none of that's super unusual. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:40:06
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     I mean, there are some, you know, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:40:10
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     there are some things to talk about here, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:40:13
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     I think in terms of how, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:40:15
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     like how useful this program actually is. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:40:17
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     And we talked about this in the, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:40:18
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     when it was out for the iPhone too, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:40:21
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     that, you know, most consumers aren't going to want to do this. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:40:26
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     Right? Most people are not going to open a phone or a laptop, they 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:40:30
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     would if it needs a repair, they'd rather spend the $500 or 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:40:34
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     ► 
     whatever it is with the Apple Store or with a service provider. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:40:39
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     ► 
     And then they know that it's being done correctly by someone 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:40:42
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     ► 
     who knows what they're doing, who has the expertise and the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:40:44
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     tools and stuff already. This is great for people who want to do 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:40:49
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     their own thing. And there are a lot of people in our audience 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:40:51
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     who probably would take advantage of this 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:40:53
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     ► 
     if something came up. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:40:54
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     I know that if I had a machine that needed something, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:40:57
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     I would definitely be tempted to do it. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:40:58
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     But again, I have the expertise to do this sort of thing. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:41:01
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     I already have a bunch of the tools too, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:41:03
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     ► 
     at least to do the Mac stuff. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:41:04
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     ► 
     It's not like crazy iPhone panini presses or anything. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:41:08
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     ► 
     It's just screwdrivers and that sort of thing 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:41:12
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     ► 
     to take these apart. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:41:13
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     - Yes, the tools are a little bit more... 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:41:16
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     ► 
     - Pedestrian? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:41:19
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     Pedestrians are good friends. They're logical but yeah, but yeah, they're like it's just different, right? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:41:24
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     ► 
     It's just like these the Mac tools are like they just like tools. Yeah 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:41:29
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     ► 
     Yeah, you can buy a nice set of like, you know torques bits from I fix it and go at it 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:41:34
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     ► 
     So and they have some stuff like they have like specialized key cap levers 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:41:37
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     ► 
     It's just like a 3d printed things but like, you know, they've just got like the toolkit 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:41:42
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     ► 
     Is a tool kit. It's not like this huge 80 pounds of machinery 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:41:48
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     ► 
     Yeah, like a pound thing. It's just like a box like a pelican case with a bunch of tools in it, you know, so 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:41:54
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     ► 
     It's more kind of like what you would expect. I 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:41:59
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     ► 
     Got that really cool screwdriver. I got you for your birthday. It's a very good screwdriver. It's very good 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:42:08
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     ► 
     The folks that I fix it had some commentary on this that I thought was interesting and I actually don't necessarily agree with them 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:42:15
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     ► 
     They had a blog post up 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:42:18
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     ► 
     basically complaining about the the battery repair in the MacBook Pro and 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:42:24
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     ► 
     There you can go read the blog post. It's long what it boils down to is 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:42:29
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     ► 
     That on some of these models to replace the battery you're actually replacing the battery keyboard and top case as 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:42:36
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     ► 
     One component and they say well on one hand 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:42:40
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     ► 
     You know the iPhone or the iPad Apple's actually done some things to make it easier to replace the battery 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:42:45
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     ► 
     I mean still you're still heating it up and dealing with adhesives and all that stuff. But you know, it's it's a 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:42:50
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     ► 
     Discrete component where on some of the MacBook Pros that's actually not the case and they they quote that it takes 162 pages of 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:42:59
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     ► 
     Repair guide to get you to the place where you're doing the battery keyboard top case on the MacBook Pro 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:43:04
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     ► 
     The way these machines are built and the way they've been built since the unibody introduction 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:43:13
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     ► 
     2008 on the MacBook Pro so 14 years, you know 15 years if you go back to the original MacBook Air is 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:43:19
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     ► 
     the top case is the structure of these machines and 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:43:23
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     ► 
     Everything is built attached to the top case 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:43:27
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     ► 
     So if you take your laptop and you close it and you turn it upside down 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:43:30
     ◼
      
     ► 
     So you're looking at the feet in the bottom case that bottom case is just a thin piece of metal all the structure 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:43:37
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     ► 
     And all the screw bosses and everything is attached 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:43:40
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     ► 
     to that top case. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:43:42
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     ► 
     And so when you're replacing something like the battery, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:43:47
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     ► 
     you know, Apple has for a long time 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:43:51
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     ► 
     made the battery and keyboard and top case all one component. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:43:55
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     ► 
     And I think iFixit's complaint is, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:43:58
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     ► 
     well, shouldn't the battery be a bit more modular? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:44:01
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     ► 
     And I don't necessarily disagree with that, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:44:04
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     ► 
     but at the same time, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:44:05
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     ► 
     like I think if they had the expectation 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:44:07
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     ► 
     that Apple is going to radically change 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:44:09
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     ► 
     they're going to design and build their products with the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:44:12
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     ► 
     foreknowledge of them being in the self service repair program 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:44:16
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     ► 
     in the future. Clearly, they're not going to do that. And I, you 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:44:20
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     ► 
     know, I don't know if hoping that they would what was the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:44:23
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     ► 
     right move or not, because Apple knows that a very, very, very 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:44:29
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     small percentage of people are ever going to take advantage of 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:44:32
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     this program. And the people who get paid to take these things 
     
     
  
 
 
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     apart, have the correct training, and the tools and the 
     
     
  
 
 
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     expertise to do it. And that's not going to change right? Like 
     
     
  
 
 
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     if I was still in the Apple authorized service provider 
     
     
  
 
 
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     business, and this came out, I would not be nervous. I would 
     
     
  
 
 
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     not worry about this shutting down my service business because 
     
     
  
 
 
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     show most people aren't going to crack open their 14 inch MacBook 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Pro. So I get what I fix it saying. And I agree that yeah, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     it'd be nicer if it were easier, but I don't necessarily think 
     
     
  
 
 
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     that was going to be a reasonable expectation. And I 
     
     
  
 
 
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     would say that when it's really going to get interesting is when 
     
     
  
 
 
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     the iMac and the Mac studio show up on this website because they are much more difficult 
     
     
  
 
 
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     to open than a MacBook Pro or a MacBook Air they are more akin to iPhones. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Now I have not opened a you know one of the new M1 iMacs but the Intel iMacs for years 
     
     
  
 
 
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     there's been a strip of adhesive between the glass and the aluminum that you get this little 
     
     
  
 
 
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     tool and you actually cut the adhesive from the outside and then you have to like peel 
     
     
  
 
 
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     the thing off and clean it. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It's all this really big project. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It's not hard if you have the skills, but it's time consuming. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And if you don't have the skills and I've done this in front of people, you're like 
     
     
  
 
 
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     putting SSDs and IMAX and stuff and everyone's like, Oh my God, like what are you doing? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     The sound it makes, you know, you're going to drop the screen, like all of these concerns. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So I don't, I don't know how happy iFix is going to be about that either. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And I would say to iFix it look, and I really like iFix it. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     that I have a bunch of their tools, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I've used a bunch of their parts, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I will continue to do so. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Overall, this is a good thing that this is out here. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So like, take a breath, that's what I'm saying. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Take a victory lap because iFixit in particular 
     
     
  
 
 
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     has led the way to right to repair 
     
     
  
 
 
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     leading to programs like this. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And so I get what they're saying, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     but I kind of felt weird reading the blog post. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - Breaking, Stephen Hackett slams iFixit, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     says take a breath. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - Yeah, I can see the headline, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Indie blogger slams iFixit. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - Calls them hysterical. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - Wow. - Wow. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - I mean, I agree with you, but like, look, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     you know, this is iFixit's whole thing, right? 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     - They're never gonna be happy with anything 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Apple's ever going to do in this arena. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Because the two, like in the same way 
     
     
  
 
 
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     say that apple is never going to do what i fix it wants them to do i fix it to 
     
     
  
 
 
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     never going to be happy with what apple does like these are two opposing forces 
     
     
  
 
 
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     over this issue where, like apple are being dragged kicking and screaming 
     
     
  
 
 
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     because of the work of people like i fix it towards a better right to repair 
     
     
  
 
 
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     strategy, but apple are never going to be like like that laptop where you can 
     
     
  
 
 
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     pull out the parts of the framework, the framework laptop, they're never going 
     
     
  
 
 
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     like that. They're just not. And like, because that product has a bunch of design issues 
     
     
  
 
 
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     because of the fact that it is how it is. And Apple is just not going to be like that. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So they're happier to do something like this where they can tick the box. Technically they 
     
     
  
 
 
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     can say you can, users can do this if they want to, but then at the same time continue 
     
     
  
 
 
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     to make it easier for users to get their parts in for repairs at proper places would be, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     the right I think is a better move ultimately. You know maybe at some point 
     
     
  
 
 
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     we will do this I'm sure that in the coming days we'll see people on YouTube 
     
     
  
 
 
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     getting their their hands on the stuff and that'll be interesting to see you 
     
     
  
 
 
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     know probably less interesting than the iPhone because again you get two road 
     
     
  
 
 
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     cases full of equipment shipped to you like I mean. It is kind of hilarious that 
     
     
  
 
 
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     like the bigger machine the bigger like maybe more complicated machine you just 
     
     
  
 
 
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     get a set of tools. Yeah and the teeny tiny iPhone you've got a basically be Tony Stark 
     
     
  
 
 
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     to figure it out. You need a truck to take it back to the post office. See I 
     
     
  
 
 
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     mean I'm overall I'm very happy this is here and that Apple is you know staying 
     
     
  
 
 
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     through to the word that they are rolling this out. I wonder moving 
     
     
  
 
 
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     forward if the the gap in time is gonna be about what we've seen so like the 14 
     
     
  
 
 
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     is 16 inch MacBook Pro been out what nine months or so and now they're on 
     
     
  
 
 
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     this repair site? Like, how long till the M2 Air shows up on this? You know, is it going 
     
     
  
 
 
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     to be nine months? Is it going to be faster? When will the iPhone 14 show up? These are 
     
     
  
 
 
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     questions we don't have answers to yet. But all in all, I'm excited to see Apple continue 
     
     
  
 
 
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     to push this ball forward, even if they are doing it sort of begrudgingly, which I get 
     
     
  
 
 
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     the sense maybe they are. This episode of connected is made possible by Sourcegraph. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So you've hired a brilliant developer to join your team. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     That's awesome. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     But now you have to spend time getting them on board. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     If your company is growing, you're going to be onboarding new developers all the time. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And that's great, but it's a big undertaking. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     One of the biggest challenges for new hires is getting up to speed with the project their 
     
     
  
 
 
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     new team is already working on. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     This can be tricky if the code bases your developers are working in are already large. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Thankfully, Sourcegraph makes it easy to move fast even in those big code bases. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Developers know that knowledge is the most useful when it's findable. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Centralization is helpful, but given the fact that most companies store knowledge in at 
     
     
  
 
 
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     least two different locations, how do you make knowledge accessible to those who need 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     As a code intelligence platform, Sourcegraph gives developers what they need to drive their 
     
     
  
 
 
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     own learning over time and in different situations. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     without source graph rely on asking colleagues or reviewing out of date documentation, both 
     
     
  
 
 
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     of which are cumbersome and time consuming. But with source graph, every developer can 
     
     
  
 
 
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     search across millions of repositories to find specific code, saving time for themselves 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and everyone else. So when questions do come up, you know, it's the big stuff that's worth 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Our thanks to Sourcegraph for sponsoring the show. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - So I think this was last week Federico made mention 
     
     
  
 
 
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     to using a different Twitter client. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - Yes, that was last week. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - And you shared, well, we could work it out 
     
     
  
 
 
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     'cause it was in the tweets. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     - Spring, yes. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - Can I just say before you get into this, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I've been trying out this app a little bit. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I cannot remember the name of this application. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     There is something about it where I'm like what's called swipe everything whenever I'm trying to search for it. I 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Can't remember its name. I think there's just something about the word spring which I get doesn't connect with Twitter in my brain 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And so like I haven't been able to like make a link 
     
     
  
 
 
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     But yeah, I can never remember the name spring spring scholar 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:51:52
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     Just call it teachy tweet or something and then you're gonna remember 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:51:55
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     But I can't find that by searching you could make a shortcut name 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Whatever you said true teach you tweet tweet and then launch that that launches the ass 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     But anyway, yeah, I promised I would talk about this and and yes, let's talk about it 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So I've been using the app for the past couple of weeks, you know me 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I'm always on the lookout for cool new stuff made by indie developers. This is one of them. I 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I am really, really impressed with this third-party Twitter 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     It's been around for a while. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I was familiar with it before. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I took it for a spin, I want to say, last year, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     maybe a couple of years ago. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I don't know how long it's been around, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:52:43
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     but I remember checking this out a while back, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:52:47
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     not being impressed with it. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:52:48
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     And then I got a couple of emails from readers 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and a message from a Discord member saying, hey, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:52:54
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     I don't know if you ever checked out the app. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:52:57
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     I'm not affiliated with the developer or anything. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I just think it's something you should check out. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And they were right. - That's what they all say, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:53:02
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     Federico, that's how they get you, you know. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - Do you think it's secretly like a ring of people 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:53:07
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     who are affiliated with developers? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:53:09
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     I don't know. - I would say 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:53:11
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     there probably is some of that, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:53:12
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     but I doubt in this case. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:53:14
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     - Interesting, interesting theory. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:53:16
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     So we'll explore that at some point. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:53:20
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     For now, we'll get into that. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     for now. So this is the kind of Twitter client that, like, it's got that sort of vibe of "I can't 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:53:30
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     believe no one is talking about this" sort of vibe. Like, this app is so good, but it's not typically, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:53:37
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     you know, included in the roundups of, like, "What's a third-party Twitter client on Apple 
     
     
  
 
 
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     platforms?" Well, Tweetbot and Twitterrific and maybe Aviary, like, these are the usual names that 
     
     
  
 
 
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     you see. I personally find, at the moment, right now, this app superior to everything else. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:53:53
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     So it covers all the bases, right? It's got iCutSync, it's got push notifications based on the new Twitter API, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:54:01
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     so it can alert you for DMs, but also it's got some cool settings for push notifications. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     This is a common theme of the app, it's got some cool settings. I'll explain this in a few minutes. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It can tell you, for example, what someone you follow also replies to you, kind of like in the Twitter app. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It's got that sort of push notification. It's got tons of keyboard shortcuts. It supports 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:54:23
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     multi-window on the iPad. It's available on the Mac, so you can get a single consistent 
     
     
  
 
 
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     experience on iPhone, iPad, and the Mac. And this is the thing that impressed me. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:54:35
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     It feels very native to Apple platforms. So, for example, native context menus everywhere, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:54:44
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     integration with shortcuts, custom app icons, as I mentioned, keyboard shortcuts, like all the latest 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:54:51
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     and greatest technologies, this app uses them. I'll get into this in a minute, but this is one 
     
     
  
 
 
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     of the very few third-party apps that already use center windows, if you use the traditional 
     
     
  
 
 
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     split view slide-over environment, which means, as a side benefit, because this developer did the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:55:12
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     work to support center windows last year, now this app works perfectly in Stage Manager as well, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     out of the box. So that was pretty cool. Now, as I said a minute ago, one of the common themes 
     
     
  
 
 
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     with Spring is infinite customization. And I think it's been done in a very thoughtful way 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:55:33
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     that doesn't feel as daunting as something like iCab or, I don't know, Obsidian, like those apps 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:55:40
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     that basically have like pages and pages of settings. This app has a lot of settings but 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:55:47
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     they are very well organized and the most important customization feature I think is the fact that 
     
     
  
 
 
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     you can fully customize the entire tab bar of the app. And by fully customized I really mean it, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     like you don't want to have the main home timeline, you can rearrange it on screen in 
     
     
  
 
 
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     in the tab bar and put it elsewhere. You can change the labels, like the names, of all 
     
     
  
 
 
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     the tab bar items. You can change the icons for every single tab bar item, choosing from 
     
     
  
 
 
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     the whole collection of SF symbols. But most importantly, you can make your own tabs. And 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:56:27
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     this is what really sticks out for me and why I find this app, besides well designed 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:56:34
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     them fast and very native to iPhone and iPad, but just useful. The idea that you can... 
     
     
  
 
 
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     This is, I guess, the key feature of Spring. You can turn everything you want into a section, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     into a tab, including saved searches. So, for example, I like to view my mentions on 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:56:56
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     Twitter as a combination of replies and people who quote tweet my tweets. I had an article 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:57:03
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     a few years ago on Mac, sorry about this, on how you can build this sort of search yourself 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:57:09
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     using the advanced Twitter search operators. I just like to view replies and quote tweets 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:57:16
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     in the same screen. That saved search, I made it into my mentions tab in Spring. Just like 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:57:24
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     that. You can search for stuff. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:57:25
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     Because you can like customize what tabs are, right? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - Yeah, and you can create new tabs. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     but you can also make new ones. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     That's the idea. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And it goes beyond that. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So saved searches or any kind of search can become a tab. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     A user profile can become its own tab. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So let's say you really like Myke 
     
     
  
 
 
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     for Myke Hurley, you can turn Myke's profile 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So every once in a while, you're like, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And you're like, you open that tab and you can see it. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     In my case, I had a less creepy use case, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     which is I'm logged in with my personal account, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     but I also wanna quickly get access 
     
     
  
 
 
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     to the Mac Stories profile to see like, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     not just the followers, but like the latest tweets 
     
     
  
 
 
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     that we shared for articles. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And so the Mac Stories profile is pinned 
     
     
  
 
 
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     to my top bar as its own tab. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     The top bar, like on the iPhone, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     obviously you're limited in space at the bottom, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     but there's a couple of things you can do. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     so that all the extra tabs that don't fit 
     
     
  
 
 
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     at the bottom of the screen, you can get them in a menu, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     or you can make the top bar scrollable horizontally. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So you can scroll through 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and you can reach all the other tabs. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     On the iPad, it's much better. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     You can also increase it up to nine. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     Nine things. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     But it gets kind of awkward to tap elements. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     On the iPad, it's much better because the top bar 
     
     
  
 
 
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     is this thin strip on the left edge of the screen, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and it fits a ton of items because there's 
     
     
  
 
 
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     a ton of vertical space there. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So yeah, being able to turn anything into its own tab 
     
     
  
 
 
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     into a custom section, that's lovely. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     This is one of the few apps, one of the few third-party apps that lets you view retweets 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and likes to your tweets or someone else's tweets. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     In the context menu, which you can also customize obviously, like the entire context menu that 
     
     
  
 
 
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     you get when you long press or right click on a tweet, that's also customizable, that 
     
     
  
 
 
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     menu has two buttons called "view retweets" and "view likes". 
     
     
  
 
 
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     "Hey, I like to see what people like and retweet my stuff, so that helps." 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Typically, I would have to use the Twitter app or Twitter website for that, but here 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I can do it in Spring. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Timeline filters are incredible. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So there's this filter button at the top of the timeline. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     This is not a new idea, but I think it's been done better in Spring. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So you can filter your timeline based on type of tweet or content. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So for example, you can exclude retweets or quote tweets or threads or replies, or you 
     
     
  
 
 
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     can just view original tweets. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And then you can mix and match this with content types. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So you can do things like show me all articles, like show me all links that are also original 
     
     
  
 
 
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     tweets, or show me all retweets that are images or that are GIFs. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     becomes like a really fun way to open just memes from your timeline. Like, show me retweets that 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:00:49
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     are also animated GIFs. You can mix and match these filters and you can save them and you can 
     
     
  
 
 
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     pin them, like, the whole deal. Filtering the timeline is incredible. There's a notifications tab 
     
     
  
 
 
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     that is similar to the Twitter one. It aggregates your activity. So notifications, how many people 
     
     
  
 
 
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     liked or retweeted your tweets. It doesn't update as, like, it's not as real time as 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Twitter's official thing. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:01:19
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     I find the information presentation of that tab specifically to be quite awkward. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     Like, I can see that, like, they're going for what Twitter does. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     But I think, like, there are a few things, like, the profile pictures are way larger 
     
     
  
 
 
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     than the content that it's referring to, for example. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:01:39
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     But I appreciate that this is like the only third-party app that I've seen do this and 
     
     
  
 
 
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     threading in the way that it does them. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     They do the threading in the timeline just like, or very similar to how Twitter does 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     Which I miss in third-party applications, honestly. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I am so used to the Twitter app and the Twitter website to when somebody replies to something 
     
     
  
 
 
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     to see the original tweet in the context of that reply. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:02:13
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     And Spring does it, just like Twitter. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And if you don't like it, you can turn it off. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:02:18
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     Again, there's the kind of stuff that you 
     
     
  
 
 
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     can customize in settings. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:02:20
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     So yeah, it's really about this collection of small features 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:02:24
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     that may be taken on their own. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     They don't seem like much, but together they really 
     
     
  
 
 
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     adapt to this kind of experience that combines some of the things 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:02:37
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     that I do like about Twitter's official products, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:02:41
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     but also some of the many other conveniences 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:02:44
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     of third-party apps, like no ads and a ton 
     
     
  
 
 
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     of Apple-native features. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:02:51
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     Lastly, I do want to mention how this app deals on the iPad 
     
     
  
 
 
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     with columns and windows. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And this is maybe the area where I 
     
     
  
 
 
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     wish the developer had done things a bit differently. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So you can open detailed views for tweets or profiles in a secondary column. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:03:15
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     But you cannot open multiple columns like you used to do in TweetDeck or how you can 
     
     
  
 
 
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     do in Aviary or how you can do in TweetBot for Mac. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     You cannot spawn column after column after column. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:03:30
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     You cannot do that. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:03:31
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     Instead, the app lets you open multiple windows. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:03:34
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     So that's how I've been using it on the iPad. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Just one window with my home timeline and another window for a saved search or something 
     
     
  
 
 
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     else like my mentions. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:03:45
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     But I do wish that you could actually have one window for Spring but multiple vertical 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     I find this to be incredibly weird and complicated. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Most of the time where I'm using Spring, the column on the right is empty. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And like, that is very strange to me. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     You know what I'm saying? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:04:09
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     Using it on the iPad and on the Mac. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:04:11
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     Like that column on the right, I can only seem to fill that column if I click on something 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:04:17
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     where I would like say, to just choose what goes in that column. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     I find that to be really weird because most of the time that is just an empty, it's either 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:04:26
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     it empty or it is filled with something that I'm not interested in anymore. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:04:30
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     Because I clicked on a tweet and got more context with it, but then I just left it there 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:04:36
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     and it's like an hour later and that tweet is still just strange. That's an odd design choice. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Exactly, yeah, exactly. I agree. I hope the developer listens to our feedback maybe here 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and that they rethink the way that columns work on the app. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:04:55
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     But so far, I'm doing OK with multi-window on the iPad. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:04:59
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     And as I mentioned, this app works very well 
     
     
  
 
 
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     with Stage Manager already, because it fully 
     
     
  
 
 
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     supports multi-window. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So there's that. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     But yeah, typically, when I switch back 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:05:10
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     to a third-party client, two things happen. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:05:15
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     I either find myself constantly opening the Twitter website 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:05:19
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     as a fallback because there's always information that I'm missing from a third-party client, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:05:24
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     or I just go back to the main Twitter app on my iPhone after like a week. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:05:31
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     And I'm not doing that since I started using Spring. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:05:34
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     And I think for me a huge part of that is being able to pin saved searches anywhere 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:05:42
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     in the apps UI, but also having real multi-window support and having the threading in the server 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:05:49
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     The timeline is also huge for me, and being able to see who liked or retweeted my tweets. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:05:56
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     Those features that are inspired by the Twitter app, I think those are combined with the sort 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:06:05
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     of things that I expect from a quality indie experience, like context menus, multi-window, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:06:11
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     keyboard shortcuts. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:06:13
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     Those two things combined are helping me stick with Spring and, you know, yeah. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:06:20
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     I really like it. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:06:22
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     If you're, like, I guess what I would say is if you're curious about a different take 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:06:27
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     on a third-party Twitter client, there's a Lite version on the App Store. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:06:31
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     So it's one of those apps that does it old school. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:06:33
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     You can get the Lite version, see if you like it, and then get the full version. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:06:38
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     I have a couple of other things that I've observed. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:06:42
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     One I like, one I think I like and one I don't like, the thing I don't like is for an app 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:06:48
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     that has so many settings, let me turn off the trending search, like trending search 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:06:54
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     results on the search page. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:06:55
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     Just let me turn that off. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:06:57
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     I don't want to see this at all if I don't need to and I would prefer to not see it, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     especially because they don't have ones that are even like customized to me a little bit. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:07:08
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     In Twitter, I don't like the trends at all, but at least sometimes the stuff that I'm 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:07:13
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     interested in, like if there's big Formula One news or whatever, they do a good job of 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:07:16
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     showing it to me, but I hate the trends. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:07:19
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     The thing that is intriguing to me is the default way in which retweets are shown, which 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:07:25
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     is like a quote tweet. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:07:29
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     So if you just retweet something, it shows your account and then the embedded tweet instead 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:07:35
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     of like the tweet that you've retweeted and like a marker you can change it back to what 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:07:39
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     they call like the standard traditional retweet layout. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:07:43
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     Which I did. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:07:46
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     And I just haven't, I'm just not sure yet. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:07:48
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     I'm just like I've been trying it out and like it's interesting but I don't know why 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:07:53
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     they choose to do it this way but it's interesting. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:07:56
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     Yeah I'm not sure either I ended up not liking it so I went back to the regular retweet design. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:08:02
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     I think I'm going to too, but it was just an intriguing design thing for me where I 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:08:08
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     have kept bumping up against it where I keep looking for the context of that, of what looks 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:08:14
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     to be a quote tweet. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:08:16
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     But it's at least interesting as like a, because I don't know what technically the right thing 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 01:08:22
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     Should you, I think if you retweet something, should you be more or less attached to it? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:08:26
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     I don't know. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:08:27
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     It's an interesting app. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:08:28
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     Steven, I think you don't like it, right? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:08:30
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     I don't love it. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:08:32
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     A lot of my complaints with it come down to design decisions. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:08:36
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     I love the customization. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:08:38
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     I love everything that Frederick, who you walked through. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:08:40
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     I find a lot of the UI like difficult to get to look nice. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:08:45
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     An example is quote tweets, right? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:08:47
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     Which are a big part of Twitter now. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:08:50
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     And the design of those, something about the way they're, they're inset. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:08:55
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     And like they have a background in light and in dark mode. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:08:59
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     I find it difficult to like understand what it's tied to. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:09:04
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     Maybe that's just a white space issue. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:09:07
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     'Cause I do think even with all the typeface adjustments, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:09:10
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     like everything feels a bit too crowded and busy everywhere. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:09:15
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     And I've gone through and turned off what I can, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:09:18
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     but I feel like there's a level of polish in the UI 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:09:20
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     that maybe isn't what it could be. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:09:23
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     And maybe that's a, you know, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:09:25
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     Maybe that's a trade off with the ability to customize everything. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:09:30
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     But the other thing that's that I don't love about it is that it's, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:09:34
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     it's super customizable, but those customizations don't sync. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:09:37
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     You instead have a export, an export import function where you can like 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:09:43
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     airdrop. So I've had on my phone and my Mac and you, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:09:46
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     it like exports a configuration file and I airdropped it to my Mac. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:09:50
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     And then I imported it to spring on the Mac, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:09:52
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     which spring on the Mac is not very good. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:09:54
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     It's like very obvious that it's the iPad version. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:09:59
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     And a lot of the UI stuff is way too big 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:10:02
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     and really feels pretty weird. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So for me, like I'm glad it's here. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I'm glad people are still experimenting in this space, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     but between Tweetbot and the official app, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I just don't think there's room for it for me. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - I think I like it more than Tweetbot. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - Really? - Personally, yeah. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I think it has just more features that I jive with. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     The biggest one for me is just like the, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     it is the threading layout. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Like I really don't like when I'm in Tweetbot 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and like I see a tweet and it's like, what is this even? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:10:38
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     Like, what is this referring to? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:10:40
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     It just seems like weird. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:10:41
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     Like I find myself in, when I'm using Tweetbot so often, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:10:44
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     needing to get more information on a tweet. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:10:47
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     Like I have to click into the tweet 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and see what this is replying to 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:10:50
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     because like I can tell it's replying to something, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     but I don't know what that is. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:10:54
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     And I feel like it's just bad at this point. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Like that is a thing that you got to find a way to work on 
     
     
  
 
 
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     because this is just how Twitter is used by people. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:11:03
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     And I like that this app has it. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:11:06
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     And there's just like a couple of other things 
     
     
  
 
 
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     like you can mark the Amazon red. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 01:11:11
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     I just like that I have that feed. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:11:13
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     There's just like a lot of features like, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:11:14
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     is this is quote unquote beautiful? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:11:17
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     No, but like I think it is a better experience 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:11:20
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     for modern Twitter than Tweetbot is now, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:11:24
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     for like what it does. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:11:25
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     It's not perfect, right? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:11:27
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     But I think is, especially on the iPhone, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:11:30
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     I think better and it's closer to what I'm looking for now. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:11:34
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     - I did have the thought that, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:11:36
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     "Oh, this makes Tweetbot look really outdated." 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:11:40
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     And is Spring doing things that are available to Tweetbot 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:11:45
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     that they just haven't taken advantage of, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:11:47
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     like the threading? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:11:48
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     know is that and I just don't know like is that part of the Twitter API or is 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:11:52
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     something that they've figured out on their own but there's definitely 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:11:55
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     features in this app the tweet bot doesn't have that tweet bot should have 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:12:01
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     at least optionally yeah I don't know what the answer is to that right my 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:12:06
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     expectation is whatever the answer is they should tweet bot should have done 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:12:10
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     it as well unless Springs doing things that maybe they shouldn't because maybe 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:12:15
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     it's a smaller application it's getting away of it I don't know the answer to 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:12:18
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     to that, right? But the threading thing, if Twitter does provide you an API, surely that 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:12:24
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     is a solvable thing. Like, you could work that out, right? Like tweets are connected. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I don't know. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:12:29
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     I mean, someone has, so, you know. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:12:31
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     Yeah, somebody has. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     In a comment to TechCrunch, Apple notes, "This is an especially big year for..." 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:14:23
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     That's an app, Apple Notes. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:14:26
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     Apple has said, "This is an especially big year for iPadOS. It's its own platform with 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:14:32
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     features specifically designed for iPad. We have the flexibility to deliver iPadOS on 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:14:37
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     on its own schedule. This fall, iPadOS will ship after iOS as version 16.1 in a free software 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 01:14:45
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     Hey, don't you know? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:14:46
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     This is a just beautifully written statement. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:14:49
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     Yes, yes. It's like they just realized that they have flexibility now. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:14:55
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     We can do whatever we want. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 01:14:58
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     It's a feature specifically designed for the iPad that are also on the Mac. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:15:02
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     And they're also very broken right now. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:15:04
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     Yeah, it's so PR-ish. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:15:08
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     AKA flexibility. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 01:15:11
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     Where people see bugs, we see opportunities. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:15:18
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     That's the mantra for Apple VR. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:15:23
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     You see problems, we see flexibility. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:15:26
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     It's such a beautiful job done here with this statement. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:15:30
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     As a bonus, it's gonna be free. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:15:32
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     unlike other iPadOS releases. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:15:36
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     Hey, look, they used to be paid 12 years ago. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
 
	 01:15:41
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     Sal Bains Hogsley, baby. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:15:42
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     I know, yeah. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:15:43
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     Do you wanna go back to that? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:15:44
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     Nope, no, I do not. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:15:45
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     So this is out in beta. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:15:48
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     What is new in 16.1, Federico? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:15:51
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     So stage manager in 16.1. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:15:55
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     They added some new options, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:16:00
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     plus button to create a new window for an app that supports multiple windows is in a 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:16:08
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     better spot now, still takes way too many taps and clicks to get to that spot, but at 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:16:16
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     least now it's visible. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:16:18
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     And now you can invoke the strip of recent apps by swiping with your finger on the screen 
     
     
  
 
 
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     from the edge of the display, even if the app that you're using is in full screen, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:16:30
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     so you don't have to resize it anymore, now you can just invoke it with a swipe, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:16:34
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     the strip also appears in portrait orientation now. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:16:38
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     So that's something else that they fixed that 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:16:41
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     didn't make a lot of sense before, why it was not available in portrait. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:16:45
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     But the thing is, in doing this, it's one step forward, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:16:52
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     four to five steps back in that the constant crashes. And by constant, I mean, like, literally 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:17:01
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     on my iPad. Now, I don't know if the problem is me or if other people have the same problem, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:17:05
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     but like on my iPad, when I do regular things, I'm not doing anything so fancy, like I'm not exporting 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:17:12
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     video or rendering 3D stuff. Like, no, I'm just taking notes and browsing Twitter. But it crashes 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:17:18
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     every 15 minutes or something. Just that. And it takes you back to the lock screen and 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:17:23
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     you've got to start over. So that's still happening. I tried it again last night just 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:17:27
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     to make sure. If anything, they made the window snapping behavior even more aggressive than 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:17:34
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     before. It feels like even more than in previous betas, the system takes away the control from 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:17:42
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     me when it comes to where I want to place windows. And that was always true of stage 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:17:46
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     manager, that's partly the idea of stage manager, like, "Hey, don't worry about Windows, we'll 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:17:52
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     position them for you." But it felt like they had a better balance of, you know, the system's 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:17:59
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     control and your sense of control. I feel like it was better balanced before. And now, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:18:08
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     I also feel like it's easier to cover the strip of recent apps. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:18:16
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     It's almost like the system doesn't think there's enough space to show you the recents 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 01:18:22
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     And all the other problems are still here. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:18:26
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     Working with external displays is still very much broken at a fundamental design level. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:18:31
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     Broken that is. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 01:18:33
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     workspaces from the iPads display to an external display is still way too slow. The dock gets 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:18:40
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     accidentally covered by windows that resize themselves every few minutes. Like the list 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:18:47
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     goes on and on and on. I hope they can get it done by October. Have they mentioned October 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:18:54
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     specifically? No, no. They just said this fall. It'll come out when it's ready. I hope 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:19:02
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     they will be ready. And now I can tell you this, I think they are very much receptive 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:19:08
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     to feedback at this point. But also, I get the impression that they, you know, Hubris 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:19:18
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     gets in the way with these companies sometimes. And I feel like there may have been a problem 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:19:23
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     for half of this summer, that they were maybe so proud of this design, that they started 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:19:30
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     listening to feedback a little later in the process, and now look where we are. Now I 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:19:37
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     get the impression that they're listening, but they had to delay the thing because of 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 01:19:43
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     I don't know. I hope it gets better. I can tell you that I tried it for about an hour 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:19:49
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     last night. I saw what I had to see, and I went back to Split View and slide over once 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:19:56
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     again. So yeah, that's how it's going. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:19:59
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     There was a section on ATP last week where Casey was rightfully upset about providing 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:20:05
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     feedback in like July and being told, "Oh, that's way too late." 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:20:09
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     Like, when do you want me to do it? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:20:11
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     Yeah, seriously. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:20:12
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     Do you want me to stay up late at night during the week of WWDC just so that I can file feedback 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:20:17
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     early for you? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:20:18
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     Like, at this point, give me a salary if you want that, you know? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:20:22
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     Like, seriously. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:20:23
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     But I do think that in this moment, there's a little window of time here, right, before 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:20:29
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     they pick a new direction and go down or decide, oh, we're just going to fix this, this and 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:20:34
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     that. But I mean, I'm glad they're doing it. Like, it's not unprecedented. They did it 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:20:40
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     with what iOS 13, right, like 13.0 was only on new phones, and then 13.1, I guess, unified 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:20:47
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     it for everybody. So they are willing to do this when they feel like it's necessary. And, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:20:55
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     you know, what are we going to get? Are we going to get a month maybe, because there's 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:20:58
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     probably iPad hardware and if there's iPad hardware they want this out in time 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:21:04
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     for the holidays we'll see you know we'll see if really what an extra three 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:21:09
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     or four weeks can buy them what if they ship 16 on iPad hardware and 16.1 still 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:21:17
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     comes later just like those iPhones it could be yeah it could be or or could 16 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:21:22
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     ship on new iPads without stage manager and then it comes in 16.1 who knows 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:21:28
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     Guys, I have an idea. I think Apple, if Apple wants more and better feedback earlier, I 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:21:37
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     think they should gamify filing feedback. If you're a developer, each 10 feedbacks that 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:21:44
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     you file, you get an expedited app review made by a real human. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:21:49
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     Or just one free card. You can put anything you want in the app. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:21:56
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     Or you get points in your account, in your developer account, you get, I don't know. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:22:01
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     But yeah, look, I honestly don't know. It feels like there's a, there are two different 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:22:07
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     conversations happening here. One is, okay, this is stage manager. I am sort of into the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:22:13
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     idea. I think I can use this, but there are technical issues and some design problems. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:22:19
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     And I think I am sort of in that camp. Like I think I can use stage manager. I think I 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:22:25
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     can live with the system arranging windows on my behalf, but there are tons of problems right now. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:22:31
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     ► 
     There's the other camp of people saying, "Well, this whole thing, like all of it, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:22:39
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     ► 
     is fundamentally wrong, and you need to go back to the drawing board and redo it all. Like, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:22:45
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     ► 
     this idea of the recent apps on the left, this idea of the system not letting you resize windows, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:22:50
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     Because like all of it is wrong and we don't want it. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:22:55
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     ► 
     So there are these two factions right now. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:22:58
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     I don't think Apple will listen to the second one. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:23:01
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     ► 
     I don't think Apple will say, "Ah, turns out we were wrong. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:23:05
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     ► 
     We're not doing this anymore. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:23:06
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     ► 
     Sorry, see you next year." 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:23:08
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     ► 
     I don't think they're going to do that. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:23:10
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     ► 
     I think they will work really hard on pleasing the first group of people. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:23:16
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     Well, I want to see if next year, next WWDC, Stage Manager is a lot different from what 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:23:25
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     it is today. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:23:26
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     Because I think short term, it would be very awkward for Apple to pull it. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:23:31
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     link to email us with any feedback or follow-up you can also join and get 
     
     
  
 
 
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     connected Pro which is a longer ad-free version of the show each and every week 
     
     
  
 
 
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     this week the three of us designed our own iPhones and you can you can see 
     
     
  
 
 
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     those in the notes for the Pro Show you can find us all online you can find Myke 
     
     
  
 
 
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     on Twitter as I M Y K E. He's the host of a bunch of other shows here on Relay FM. You 
     
     
  
 
 
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     can find Federico Evatici, V I T I C C I, and he of course is the editor-in-chief of 
     
     
  
 
 
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     MaxStories.net, which will be home to his iOS and iPadOS 16 review and coverage. You 
     
     
  
 
 
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     all have been doing stuff all summer. It's been great. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Reviews! Reviews! Reviews! 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Reviews! Reviews! 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Don't give people the wrong idea, you know? 
     
     
  
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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     You can find me on Twitter as ismh and I write over at 512pixels.net. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I'd like to thank our sponsors, TextExpander, Trade Coffee, Sourcegraph, and Ladder. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Until next time, guys, say goodbye. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Arrivederci.