Connected

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00:00:03 ◼   ► From Real FM, this is "Connected" episode 417.

00:00:13 ◼   ► I'm your host, Federico Vitticci,

00:00:14 ◼   ► and today's show is brought to you by some truly fine sponsors,

00:00:19 ◼   ► Rogue Amoeba, Indeed, and Texas Panda.

00:00:22 ◼   ► For this episode of "Connected," and for all the episodes

00:00:25 ◼   ► of "Connected," it is my pleasure

00:00:26 ◼   ► to be joined by Mr. Stephen Hackett.

00:00:29 ◼   ► Hello Federico.

00:00:30 ◼   ► Hi, how are you?

00:00:31 ◼   ► I'm good, what about you?

00:00:33 ◼   ► I am doing okay.

00:00:36 ◼   ► We'll talk about how I'm doing later.

00:00:38 ◼   ► We'll talk about that in a few minutes, yes.

00:00:43 ◼   ► Your emotional wellbeing is tied directly to stage manager.

00:00:46 ◼   ► Let's say that I'm doing, I'm doing.

00:00:49 ◼   ► And sometimes you just freeze randomly.

00:00:51 ◼   ► I am joined by Mr. Myke Hurley.

00:00:54 ◼   ► Why hello there.

00:00:55 ◼   ► How are you Myke?

00:00:56 ◼   ► It's been a, I'm good.

00:00:58 ◼   ► I'm so excited for today's episode.

00:01:02 ◼   ► There's some big topics in here,

00:01:03 ◼   ► and I think mostly I'm just gonna get to sit back

00:01:06 ◼   ► and enjoy it as you two tell me a bunch of stuff

00:01:08 ◼   ► about some things, so I'm looking forward to that.

00:01:10 ◼   ► - So let's dive right in.

00:01:11 ◼   ► We had a big pro show today.

00:01:14 ◼   ► Federico, give people the elevator pitch

00:01:16 ◼   ► for what you talked about on the pro show.

00:01:18 ◼   ► - What if your phone was not a phone?

00:01:23 ◼   ► What if your phone was like a shovel?

00:01:27 ◼   ► And what if the apps on your phone were not apps?

00:01:30 ◼   ► What if those apps were plants and your screen

00:01:33 ◼   ► was not a screen, but it was a garden?

00:01:35 ◼   ► In the Pro Show for Connected Pro members,

00:01:38 ◼   ► which people can sign up for at getconnectedpro.co,

00:01:42 ◼   ► we talk about note-taking, digital gardens,

00:01:45 ◼   ► and the idea of using different apps for different jobs.

00:01:50 ◼   ► - If you wanna hear what my brain sounds like

00:01:52 ◼   ► when I find out what a digital garden is,

00:01:55 ◼   ► you can sign up at getconnectedpro.co.

00:01:57 ◼   ► This is not a phrase I knew until about 20 minutes ago.

00:02:00 ◼   ► It's a really good pro show today.

00:02:02 ◼   ► If you've been on the fence,

00:02:03 ◼   ► you've not signed up for get connected pro,

00:02:06 ◼   ► give this one a go.

00:02:07 ◼   ► You can sign up, try it out, $5 a month,

00:02:09 ◼   ► you just pay the $5, you can listen to it.

00:02:11 ◼   ► If you think it's not for you,

00:02:11 ◼   ► then just don't, you just get rid of it.

00:02:13 ◼   ► But it's good, you get Discord,

00:02:15 ◼   ► you get a bunch of stuff, getconnectedpro.co.

00:02:17 ◼   ► I have some follow up on my iPhone 14 Pro.

00:02:22 ◼   ► I think I spoke about this on this show last week.

00:02:24 ◼   ► I tried that thing where like, I have been trying that thing where I turned off the notification

00:02:28 ◼   ► previews until face ID unlocked to kind of help distinguish the difference between always

00:02:33 ◼   ► on and not, you know, so like the always on screen just shows the name of the app and

00:02:37 ◼   ► like one new notification or whatever when they pop up.

00:02:40 ◼   ► I don't think I like it.

00:02:43 ◼   ► I'm remembering why I turned this feature off before because face ID is good, right?

00:02:49 ◼   ► But you kind of have to be in, you have to kind of give the phone what it needs for FaceID,

00:02:55 ◼   ► right?

00:02:56 ◼   ► Like it has to be directly in front of you, it has to actually get the scan.

00:02:58 ◼   ► Because I feel like a lot of the time now I'm seeing that I have a notification, I'm

00:03:02 ◼   ► looking at my phone, so I'm like "Okay, come on, do your thing!" and nothing's happening.

00:03:07 ◼   ► And I have to like tap the notification, I'll swipe up again to get FaceID to do its thing.

00:03:13 ◼   ► So I'm not sure if this is what I'm looking for.

00:03:16 ◼   ► Steven, you said you were going to try this, did you try this?

00:03:19 ◼   ► - Yeah, I've been running this way since last week's show.

00:03:23 ◼   ► And while I agree with you,

00:03:25 ◼   ► it's a bit sometimes frustrating

00:03:26 ◼   ► where I just want to look at my phone and see what came in.

00:03:28 ◼   ► And I've got to like catch face Eddie's attention.

00:03:31 ◼   ► Overall, I think I like it more than you do.

00:03:35 ◼   ► It's kind of nice from a privacy perspective

00:03:39 ◼   ► 'cause your phone is just always on, right?

00:03:41 ◼   ► This place always just out there for people to see.

00:03:45 ◼   ► I'm gonna stick with it for a little while longer.

00:03:47 ◼   ► I haven't had many situations where it's like an actual problem, but I do notice that little

00:03:51 ◼   ► bit of friction, like you said.

00:03:53 ◼   ► I have actually just now turned it off because I didn't like it.

00:03:56 ◼   ► Okay.

00:03:57 ◼   ► So that's gone.

00:04:00 ◼   ► I was listening to the talk show, and Neil Aptel was the guest, and this is something

00:04:06 ◼   ► Neil Aptel mentioned in his iPhone 14 Pro review, and hearing him talk about it in more

00:04:11 ◼   ► detail with Jon Gruber, I agree with him that the Dynamic Islands interaction is backwards.

00:04:18 ◼   ► Having to long press on the widget, like long press on it to get the widget to pop up, that

00:04:24 ◼   ► feels wrong. After having used this, I'm in the camp of you should tap it to get it to

00:04:29 ◼   ► expand, long press to open the app. That's where I've come down on. Because all of the

00:04:35 ◼   ► good stuff is behind the long press. I've definitely come down on the idea that it's

00:04:44 ◼   ► the wrong way around. That a tap on the dynamic island should do whatever is happening within

00:04:49 ◼   ► the dynamic island and then a long tap to reopen the app. Because hey, if I want a tap

00:04:54 ◼   ► to open an app, I already know how to do that. I just tap on the app icon. Right? It doesn't

00:05:01 ◼   ► need to be a quick launcher for me. It should be doing whatever it's doing as like the multitasking

00:05:06 ◼   ► as its primary thing. And something Neil was talking a lot about was like, in all of the

00:05:11 ◼   ► ads, they're showing like the Dynamic Island doing its thing. Like that's what they're

00:05:16 ◼   ► promoting. So that should be the primary interaction, not the secondary one.

00:05:20 ◼   ► Agree. I thought so. And reading the reviews before using the phone and now using the phone,

00:05:25 ◼   ► I agree even more. It just feels backwards.

00:05:29 ◼   ► I really hope that they add it as an option at least, but we'll see.

00:05:34 ◼   ► I also just wanted to voice a grumble with the iPhone 14's camera.

00:05:40 ◼   ► A grumble.

00:05:41 ◼   ► Because I'm not super mad about this, but it's just like, it's frustrating sometimes.

00:05:45 ◼   ► The macro lens switchover is happening so much more.

00:05:49 ◼   ► It's because they changed the focal length, right?

00:05:51 ◼   ► The focal length has changed.

00:05:52 ◼   ► So now, photos where I just take a picture of something, which is relatively close but

00:05:57 ◼   ► not super close, is changing over to the macro lens all the time.

00:06:02 ◼   ► You can toggle it off and do the thing and maybe move the phone and focus.

00:06:05 ◼   ► You know it is better now the ultra wide is better and blah blah blah blah blah so like

00:06:09 ◼   ► these macro images are looking better than they ever have etc etc.

00:06:13 ◼   ► Yeah it's just a little bit annoying.

00:06:16 ◼   ► But I'm happy that I have the toggle.

00:06:18 ◼   ► If you've not turned that toggle on in settings by the way I thoroughly recommend it.

00:06:22 ◼   ► This is the thing that we were like, on this show especially, we were really asking for

00:06:26 ◼   ► like because they didn't have it.

00:06:28 ◼   ► Do you remember that?

00:06:28 ◼   ► They didn't have it for a while.

00:06:29 ◼   ► - It would just switch on its own.

00:06:30 ◼   ► It's like, I got nothing to do.

00:06:31 ◼   ► - And you had to like do a bunch of stuff

00:06:33 ◼   ► to get it to stop.

00:06:34 ◼   ► So if you have an iPhone 14 Pro,

00:06:37 ◼   ► I recommend enabling that feature.

00:06:40 ◼   ► But you know, for quick photos or something,

00:06:43 ◼   ► like it's fine that I don't care what setting it's on.

00:06:45 ◼   ► If I'm just like snapping something for later,

00:06:48 ◼   ► like I'm taking a picture of something,

00:06:49 ◼   ► I need to look at it.

00:06:50 ◼   ► Like for example, a wifi code or whatever.

00:06:53 ◼   ► But if I'm, I don't always want the macro mode

00:06:55 ◼   ► for all things.

00:06:58 ◼   ► So that's that.

00:06:58 ◼   ► I have one more thing.

00:06:59 ◼   ► Do you remember my iPhone 13?

00:07:01 ◼   ► That was all scratched.

00:07:02 ◼   ► Do you remember that?

00:07:03 ◼   ► We spoke about this on the show a bunch of times

00:07:04 ◼   ► and Apple refused to replace it under my Apple Care.

00:07:09 ◼   ► Remember this?

00:07:09 ◼   ► - I do.

00:07:10 ◼   ► I do remember it.

00:07:12 ◼   ► - Would you believe guys that I dropped my iPhone 13 Pro

00:07:16 ◼   ► and broke the screen?

00:07:17 ◼   ► - Oh, what a- - Could you imagine?

00:07:18 ◼   ► - Oh, you did?

00:07:19 ◼   ► - Oh man. - Yeah, I dropped it.

00:07:22 ◼   ► I dropped it like four times and it was perfectly fine.

00:07:25 ◼   ► One of those, like two of those times,

00:07:29 ◼   ► I dropped it onto a corner of a piece of furniture

00:07:31 ◼   ► and it survived.

00:07:32 ◼   ► And I was like, incredible iPhone 13 Pro,

00:07:35 ◼   ► you're doing your job.

00:07:37 ◼   ► And then I dropped it onto something metal,

00:07:39 ◼   ► which was like so unlucky

00:07:40 ◼   ► that I dropped it like five times in a row.

00:07:42 ◼   ► - Very unlucky.

00:07:44 ◼   ► - And the screen broke way more

00:07:47 ◼   ► than I would have necessarily wanted it to, but it broke.

00:07:51 ◼   ► And so now I have done an Apple Care Express replacement

00:07:55 ◼   ► thing, so they're sending a box to me

00:07:56 ◼   ► and I'm gonna put it in the box and send it away.

00:07:58 ◼   ► And apparently it will cost 25 pounds,

00:08:01 ◼   ► which is cheaper than I was expecting.

00:08:02 ◼   ► So we'll see what happens there.

00:08:03 ◼   ► 'Cause I thought it was 75, but I don't know.

00:08:06 ◼   ► I'll let you know how that goes.

00:08:07 ◼   ► But just as a long-term piece of follow up,

00:08:09 ◼   ► my iPhone 13 Pro accidentally broke.

00:08:12 ◼   ► - As someone who's never broken a phone,

00:08:15 ◼   ► I'm very curious on how that repair goes for you.

00:08:18 ◼   ► - Yeah, for sure.

00:08:20 ◼   ► I have no experience with it.

00:08:22 ◼   ► It was one of those things where, for some reason,

00:08:24 ◼   ► I had forgotten--

00:08:25 ◼   ► I don't know why, but my brain was--

00:08:27 ◼   ► because it broke.

00:08:28 ◼   ► And it also-- the screen is completely unresponsive.

00:08:32 ◼   ► It basically put a hole in the screen.

00:08:34 ◼   ► This accident will drop.

00:08:35 ◼   ► And so I can't do anything on the phone, which is funny.

00:08:39 ◼   ► It's like I can't erase it, because the phone was also off.

00:08:43 ◼   ► So I can't put in a code so it won't connect to any wife.

00:08:46 ◼   ► Whatever.

00:08:47 ◼   ► Like, I don't care.

00:08:49 ◼   ► It's just a silly thing that happened.

00:08:50 ◼   ► But there was like a part of my brain

00:08:53 ◼   ► which forgot that like the glass and the screen are one thing.

00:08:59 ◼   ► That you don't just replace the glass,

00:09:01 ◼   ► you replace the entire thing and the glass

00:09:02 ◼   ► has a screen attached to it.

00:09:05 ◼   ► I don't know why my brain couldn't work that out,

00:09:07 ◼   ► but it was silly of me really.

00:09:10 ◼   ► Silly to drop it, you know?

00:09:12 ◼   ► I'm sorry you had an accident.

00:09:14 ◼   ► It was terrible.

00:09:15 ◼   ► This show is being recorded on Wednesday, September 28th.

00:09:19 ◼   ► That means it's almost the end of the month

00:09:22 ◼   ► and we are winding down our fundraiser for St. Jude.

00:09:26 ◼   ► September is Childhood Cancer Awareness Month.

00:09:29 ◼   ► And so every month we talk about the life-saving work

00:09:32 ◼   ► of St. Jude, which is a cancer hospital

00:09:34 ◼   ► and research institution that treats kids with cancer

00:09:38 ◼   ► without regard to their family's ability to pay.

00:09:41 ◼   ► That means treatment, travel, food, lodging.

00:09:44 ◼   ► It's all covered by the donations

00:09:46 ◼   ► that people make to St. Jude.

00:09:47 ◼   ► And as we record this, we have raised this year $540,000

00:09:52 ◼   ► for the kids of St. Jude, which is absolutely spectacular.

00:09:57 ◼   ► That's over $2 million in the last four years,

00:10:02 ◼   ► which is just simply incredible.

00:10:04 ◼   ► The campaign is gonna close on Friday, September 30th.

00:10:08 ◼   ► Myke and I are gonna be hosting the closing ceremonies

00:10:10 ◼   ► where we closed down the fundraising.

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00:10:34 ◼   ► who has talked about this on social media

00:10:35 ◼   ► or people in real life.

00:10:36 ◼   ► It's been a really awesome month

00:10:38 ◼   ► for the Relay FM community to come together around this.

00:10:41 ◼   ► - Yeah, it's been incredible.

00:10:43 ◼   ► Passing that $2 million raised over the last four years

00:10:46 ◼   ► was an incredible thing to have achieved together.

00:10:50 ◼   ► And we've raised just a staggering amount of money this year

00:10:53 ◼   ► and we're all so proud and it goes a long way

00:10:57 ◼   ► and it does a lot.

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00:13:06 ◼   ► Big boy. Big orange watch boy. Big wrist Steven over here. My wrist is

00:13:13 ◼   ► 170 millimeters I don't know if that's big or not. Y'all know your wrist sizes?

00:13:17 ◼   ► I've never considered it because I've never had a watch where I needed to

00:13:21 ◼   ► measure my... For me it's not something I've had to really consider either and I

00:13:26 ◼   ► I had to go find Mary's like fabric tape measure.

00:13:30 ◼   ► So it's like super bendy and one side was inches,

00:13:33 ◼   ► the other side was millimeters.

00:13:35 ◼   ► So anyways, I got my Apple Watch Ultra on its launch day,

00:13:38 ◼   ► which was last Friday.

00:13:39 ◼   ► So I've had it four or five days

00:13:42 ◼   ► and I thought I could walk through

00:13:44 ◼   ► some of my early impressions

00:13:46 ◼   ► and answer any questions y'all may have.

00:13:48 ◼   ► - I do have lots of questions, so.

00:13:50 ◼   ► - Okay. (laughs)

00:13:52 ◼   ► Let me start with the unboxing.

00:13:53 ◼   ► Do y'all remember in the early days of the Apple Watch,

00:13:56 ◼   ► Like I had like the series zero stainless steel.

00:13:58 ◼   ► My first Apple watch was stainless steel.

00:14:00 ◼   ► Remember the box that those nice watches came in?

00:14:03 ◼   ► They were like cube shaped

00:14:05 ◼   ► and they're like glossy white plastic.

00:14:07 ◼   ► Do you have that ring of bell to anybody?

00:14:10 ◼   ► - Yes.

00:14:11 ◼   ► Yeah, the additions used to come packaged like that.

00:14:13 ◼   ► - Okay.

00:14:14 ◼   ► So the Ultra doesn't come in a box like that,

00:14:18 ◼   ► but it does come in some pretty unique packaging.

00:14:20 ◼   ► - My ceramic one came in a plastic box.

00:14:23 ◼   ► It wasn't square.

00:14:24 ◼   ► it was long, but it wasn't the paper boxes.

00:14:28 ◼   ► It came in like a special thing.

00:14:29 ◼   ► - Should have come in a ceramic box.

00:14:31 ◼   ► - That would be quite expensive.

00:14:34 ◼   ► - So for a while now,

00:14:35 ◼   ► the Apple Watch and bands have come separately

00:14:38 ◼   ► and they're just kind of like wrapped together.

00:14:40 ◼   ► The Ultra follows suit with that,

00:14:42 ◼   ► but the boxes are bigger and the inside print,

00:14:45 ◼   ► instead of like colorful watch bands,

00:14:47 ◼   ► I think because I have the Alpine band,

00:14:49 ◼   ► had like a rugged mountain scene.

00:14:51 ◼   ► And I think the interior printing is different

00:14:53 ◼   ► depending on what band you get.

00:14:55 ◼   ► But really nice box.

00:14:57 ◼   ► It comes with this booklet that shows you all the features

00:15:00 ◼   ► of the watch is like all color printed,

00:15:02 ◼   ► like really big images of the watch.

00:15:04 ◼   ► Just a very nice experience.

00:15:06 ◼   ► Definitely nicer than I've had on Apple Watch

00:15:08 ◼   ► in a long time.

00:15:10 ◼   ► After the unboxing though,

00:15:11 ◼   ► it's kind of funny how straightforward the setup was.

00:15:14 ◼   ► Like it works like any other Apple Watch, right?

00:15:16 ◼   ► I said, yeah, you know, take my old one,

00:15:19 ◼   ► move it to the new one.

00:15:20 ◼   ► In the setup process,

00:15:21 ◼   ► there was an additional step where you could set

00:15:24 ◼   ► what the action button does.

00:15:26 ◼   ► And that can be changed later in the watch app on iOS.

00:15:31 ◼   ► And you have a bunch of different options.

00:15:33 ◼   ► You can tie it to a workout.

00:15:35 ◼   ► You can have it run a shortcut, which I tried,

00:15:37 ◼   ► but shortcuts are so slow to execute on watchOS.

00:15:41 ◼   ► I kind of gave up on that.

00:15:42 ◼   ► And I just have mine set to the flashlight.

00:15:44 ◼   ► So I can light up the sky with my 2000 nit brightness

00:15:48 ◼   ► Apple watch if I need to.

00:15:48 ◼   ► - Do you do this a lot?

00:15:51 ◼   ► I didn't know what else to, so let me read you the list.

00:15:53 ◼   ► Okay, and I think you'll see where.

00:15:55 ◼   ► - All right, all right, all right.

00:15:56 ◼   ► - Okay, so workout, stopwatch, waypoint,

00:16:01 ◼   ► backtrack, dive, flashlight, shortcut, and none.

00:16:06 ◼   ► - Why is that to none?

00:16:07 ◼   ► - I feel like flashlight was the most useful.

00:16:09 ◼   ► Maybe none.

00:16:10 ◼   ► - None sounds good.

00:16:11 ◼   ► - And you can, you hold it and press.

00:16:13 ◼   ► - Then it's a fidget toy.

00:16:14 ◼   ► - Yeah, it is.

00:16:15 ◼   ► You hold it and press to do the siren.

00:16:16 ◼   ► So you can just click and it does whatever action

00:16:18 ◼   ► you tied into it.

00:16:19 ◼   ► - Oh.

00:16:20 ◼   ► would be much more interesting if shortcuts were just faster on the watch, but they are not.

00:16:24 ◼   ► Yeah, I mean, I don't know what I would go with. And you can use it in some apps to do things,

00:16:31 ◼   ► right? Like, it's tied to actions inside of applications too, right? So you can,

00:16:38 ◼   ► if you're in the workout app and you press it, it like does a new workout or like splits the

00:16:43 ◼   ► workout or something, right? Right? Yes, but I don't think I've seen it in action anywhere else.

00:16:49 ◼   ► It's just the workouts app right now and maybe that'll change with time. I think developers can do something

00:16:54 ◼   ► But obviously no one's ready for that

00:16:56 ◼   ► Yeah, and is the developer gonna take time to build support for a button that's on one watch? Yeah, but yes, right if this were

00:17:04 ◼   ► Everywhere and we could talk about that a minute

00:17:07 ◼   ► Like what?

00:17:08 ◼   ► Will the regular Apple watch inherit from this watch in the future?

00:17:11 ◼   ► The action button would be the top of my list for that. Obviously the biggest question here is size, right? It's a 49 millimeter case

00:17:18 ◼   ► It's just one size there. It does not have the smaller and larger sizes like the regular series 8 does

00:17:24 ◼   ► It's as big as I could go. I think again on my hundred and seventy millimeter wrist, you know watch size

00:17:31 ◼   ► I think is something that's obviously very subjective

00:17:33 ◼   ► like I was talking to a friend of mine last week before I got the ultra and like he

00:17:38 ◼   ► Wears an Apple watch basically only when he runs and he had just gotten a new watch to where the rest of you know

00:17:45 ◼   ► The rest of his life and he actually went smaller than what he had before so people just have different feelings on this

00:17:51 ◼   ► The size works for me. But again, I don't think I could go any bigger. I

00:17:56 ◼   ► Will say if you're wearing like long sleeves like today

00:17:58 ◼   ► I'm wearing a jacket like you definitely notice it more than the other watches because of the size and I think because

00:18:05 ◼   ► the edges aren't that sort of

00:18:10 ◼   ► Rounded shape right so like your sleeve doesn't like glide over the crown as easily because it's got the big crown guard and the other side

00:18:17 ◼   ► Is flat like you're just a little bit more aware of its presence. Maybe that will fade with time

00:18:22 ◼   ► On it like a little bit a little bit

00:18:26 ◼   ► I think it depends on like like these sleeves

00:18:28 ◼   ► I'm wearing on this jacket have a little elastic in them and like I kind of had to like kind of pull it over it

00:18:33 ◼   ► But right my guess is that that will become more normal with time like right now

00:18:39 ◼   ► I'm very aware that it's bigger than my old Apple watch was

00:18:43 ◼   ► Now in six months will I think that probably not like my brain will just adjust to this is what the Apple watch is

00:18:49 ◼   ► But there is a little bit of a curve I think in getting used to the size

00:18:54 ◼   ► But I'll say it's mostly about the size. It's not about the weight

00:18:57 ◼   ► I mean everyone said this in the hands-on of their reviews and I'll echo it. It is not as heavy as

00:19:02 ◼   ► it

00:19:03 ◼   ► looks and I did not I meant to and I just ran out of time but I

00:19:07 ◼   ► Meant to weigh my old watch with this one because my old ones also titanium

00:19:11 ◼   ► It feels like it is heavier than my old watch but not by as much as it should be based on the size

00:19:18 ◼   ► I don't know what they've done there, but you look at it or you see pictures of it online

00:19:22 ◼   ► You think my gosh like that must be like a boat anchor

00:19:25 ◼   ► It's really not and I think the titanium goes a long way to that because the titanium is way lighter

00:19:31 ◼   ► Than the steel Apple watch even in the same size and it's one of the benefits of the materials they've chosen

00:19:36 ◼   ► Could do you think you could wear this with like a collared shut? I think so

00:19:41 ◼   ► Okay

00:19:43 ◼   ► It may have to be a little like fur, you know

00:19:45 ◼   ► I think you just be aware of getting the you know sleeve around it if the sleeve like buttons or you know

00:19:52 ◼   ► If you're wearing like a sports coat or something, I think it would be okay, but I think you would

00:19:56 ◼   ► Use be more aware of it than you would any previous watch

00:20:00 ◼   ► So I just looked this up the 45 millimeter stainless steel the series 8 is

00:20:06 ◼   ► 51.5 grams

00:20:09 ◼   ► The ultra is sixty one point three grams. So it's even heavier than the steel

00:20:14 ◼   ► I guess the size helps it not feel as dense. I don't know. It's a weird trick

00:20:18 ◼   ► They've pulled off here that it doesn't feel as heavy. Yeah as you think it would I can't see the titanium

00:20:23 ◼   ► In that they don't have that information how much the titanium weighs just on their website. I'm sure we could find it but

00:20:30 ◼   ► Yeah, it's heavier than steel. The design, I like the titanium. I liked the titanium

00:20:36 ◼   ► Apple watch before I had a pick or risky or no is a flexi of like Apple moving to titanium

00:20:43 ◼   ► on the side rails of the phone. I still think they should do that. But the texture like

00:20:47 ◼   ► the finish is really different. The old titanium watches were brushed titanium. And you could

00:20:52 ◼   ► see without I mean that close to it, you could see the brush marks in it and it looked really

00:20:57 ◼   ► nice. This watch, the finish is not dissimilar from the aluminum, like silver

00:21:03 ◼   ► aluminum Apple watch where it's kind of that bead blasted smooth look. It doesn't

00:21:08 ◼   ► look like aluminum, like the color is a little bit warmer, but it is not brushed.

00:21:12 ◼   ► It is sort of the satin finish that I think actually looks really nice with

00:21:16 ◼   ► this design. I think if they had done the brushed it would have maybe

00:21:20 ◼   ► been a bit too busy, and so it works for me the sort of flat matte look. You

00:21:26 ◼   ► know, it diffuses light, it doesn't really have any strong reflections off of any

00:21:30 ◼   ► of the metal. I think it's really nice. I think some people have have wanted it

00:21:35 ◼   ► wanted Apple to have a darker version of this and I think that would be cool in

00:21:39 ◼   ► the future. I know nothing about, you know, how you would color titanium like I

00:21:44 ◼   ► don't know if it could be anodized like aluminum is, but at least with the raw

00:21:48 ◼   ► titanium if I had to get a big gouge in it you're not gonna see a different

00:21:52 ◼   ► color like poking out from underneath because it should be the same finish

00:21:55 ◼   ► basically all the way through. And so I can see from a longevity, like roughness perspective,

00:22:01 ◼   ► why Apple wouldn't want to do any colors unless the metal was colored all the way through.

00:22:06 ◼   ► But if they had a dark one in the future, I think a lot of people would dig that.

00:22:09 ◼   ► Is it comfortable to wear?

00:22:11 ◼   ► It is for me. I mean, it sits squarely on my wrist. You know, the lugs don't overhang the

00:22:19 ◼   ► sides of my wrist. I think again like it's all about wrist size. I do tend to wear my

00:22:24 ◼   ► watch pretty close to like that bone that's at the end of your wrist like at your hand.

00:22:30 ◼   ► You guys know what I'm talking about?

00:22:31 ◼   ► The little bump?

00:22:32 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:22:33 ◼   ► The bumpy bone?

00:22:34 ◼   ► The bumpy bone?

00:22:35 ◼   ► The bumpy bone.

00:22:36 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:22:37 ◼   ► You definitely want it below that like if it's on top of that I think because the size

00:22:42 ◼   ► kind of sits up on it in a little bit of a weird way.

00:22:44 ◼   ► So you want it to the to the to like the left of the bumpy bone?

00:22:47 ◼   ► Yeah, like the inside, like away from the hand.

00:22:49 ◼   ► Vidit in Discord has said like the titanium was 45.1 grams in the series 7.

00:22:55 ◼   ► Okay.

00:22:56 ◼   ► So that's quite a difference.

00:22:59 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:23:00 ◼   ► 61 grams to 45.

00:23:02 ◼   ► Yeah, it doesn't feel like it's that big of a difference.

00:23:04 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:23:05 ◼   ► Pretty wild.

00:23:06 ◼   ► I mean, I'm sure it's like your brain would tell you it would be bigger.

00:23:09 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:23:09 ◼   ► Like, would by looking at the thing.

00:23:11 ◼   ► What do you think of the Crown Guard?

00:23:13 ◼   ► I think it's fine.

00:23:15 ◼   ► Like it's kind, I mean, it's definitely like the sore spot on the design.

00:23:20 ◼   ► It looks tacked on in a way that I didn't really anticipate,

00:23:25 ◼   ► but I've gotten used to it pretty quickly.

00:23:28 ◼   ► I mean, I like that the crown is sort of flush with it.

00:23:33 ◼   ► It's like the most prominent the side button has ever been,

00:23:37 ◼   ► which is funny to me because the side button like

00:23:39 ◼   ► it's it's had so many jobs over the years.

00:23:42 ◼   ► Remember at first it was like the circle of friends thing.

00:23:44 ◼   ► It's weird.

00:23:47 ◼   ► But it is...

00:23:48 ◼   ► Oh my god, yeah.

00:23:49 ◼   ► It's fine.

00:23:50 ◼   ► You know, it definitely makes it a bit more distinctive than the standard Apple Watch.

00:23:55 ◼   ► Can we talk about the display?

00:23:56 ◼   ► Yes, please.

00:23:57 ◼   ► The thing that I have been struck with the most for the many people I follow online who

00:24:02 ◼   ► have gotten one of these, so I was actually quite surprised how many people I'm seeing

00:24:06 ◼   ► post their wrist photos with their Apple Watch Ultras.

00:24:12 ◼   ► The flat display is the thing that I find to be the most visually attractive about this.

00:24:20 ◼   ► To me I think it's just because it's different. Like it's visually very different from the

00:24:25 ◼   ► odd Apple watches. And I just want to know like, what do you think? Do you like it? How

00:24:30 ◼   ► is it to use it? And also like what is that, the like the lip around the edge? Like how

00:24:36 ◼   ► does it feel to use?

00:24:37 ◼   ► The lip is so minor that if I didn't know it was slightly raised by feeling that you

00:24:44 ◼   ► can't really tell that it's raised.

00:24:46 ◼   ► I mean it is, the glass is not sunken into the metal in any really perceptible way.

00:24:53 ◼   ► It's very minor.

00:24:54 ◼   ► I really like the flat look though.

00:24:56 ◼   ► I mean obviously the screen is bigger.

00:24:58 ◼   ► I think the flat display makes the screen look even bigger than it would otherwise.

00:25:03 ◼   ► And all in all, like it's definitely the nicest screen on an Apple Watch.

00:25:08 ◼   ► I like the, the flatness gives it sort of that modern feel like we've seen on some of

00:25:14 ◼   ► Apple's other devices.

00:25:16 ◼   ► And it doesn't do the thing that like, I think the Series 7 in particular, for me was kind

00:25:22 ◼   ► of annoying at like the, you get like reflections and like light scattering around the edges

00:25:29 ◼   ► of the display where it curved down.

00:25:32 ◼   ► obviously you don't have any of that here because the screen is flat and then it's surrounded

00:25:35 ◼   ► by metal and so it's just a cleaner look. It's less organic looking for sure but I really

00:25:44 ◼   ► like it.

00:25:45 ◼   ► It's aggressive the design I think but I don't think that's a bad thing. You know like especially

00:25:49 ◼   ► like watch design. Watches get pretty bold. You know like sharp edges and big and chunky

00:25:56 ◼   ► and stuff like I think it works visually it's but the using watch OS on that screen does

00:26:05 ◼   ► it feel any any different like really no okay watch OS suffers from this I think even worse

00:26:12 ◼   ► than iOS and iPad OS do where it doesn't really do anything to take advantage of the bigger

00:26:18 ◼   ► screen everything is mostly just scaled up that's most noticeable I think on the watch

00:26:23 ◼   ► faces like we can talk about that separately in a second but like the

00:26:28 ◼   ► modular watch face that I used on my series 7 like I don't get any extra

00:26:31 ◼   ► stuff with it on the new watch everything just a little bit bigger the

00:26:35 ◼   ► space between everything's a little bit bigger I don't think it looks bad like I

00:26:39 ◼   ► don't think it looks comical like like say the way the the way the home screen

00:26:46 ◼   ► grid looks on the iPad mini right it's like so bad and so awkward I don't think

00:26:51 ◼   ► there's anything that stands out there in a hugely negative sense but I do

00:26:58 ◼   ► wonder if Apple can get away with watchOS basically just scaling forever

00:27:05 ◼   ► or will there be at some point something different they do with this larger

00:27:10 ◼   ► screen you know I get that it's the first one I get also that watchOS 9S

00:27:14 ◼   ► support a pretty wide range of screen sizes and so just scaling it up and down

00:27:21 ◼   ► is probably the easiest thing for them and their developers but it definitely

00:27:24 ◼   ► leaves a little bit to be desired like you have this nice big screen and you

00:27:28 ◼   ► can basically see the same amount of stuff as you do on a on a smaller watch.

00:27:34 ◼   ► Yeah it kind of we'll talk about watchOS in a minute but it kind of feels like

00:27:38 ◼   ► WatchOS 9 in general has had some redesign work done to it to like take

00:27:45 ◼   ► advantage of screen space, which I think they maybe did that for the Ultra,

00:27:52 ◼   ► but the other watches get it too, so it kind of doesn't really feel like you

00:27:54 ◼   ► have any particular benefit. Right. I guess. Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure, and I mean

00:27:59 ◼   ► yeah, if you're reading a text message I guess you can see some more lines of text.

00:28:02 ◼   ► I haven't actually compared it directly to my Series 7, but in using it it feels

00:28:07 ◼   ► very much like the same experience just everything's a little bit bigger a

00:28:10 ◼   ► little bit more spaced out. You mentioned watch faces. Yeah. What one are you using?

00:28:15 ◼   ► So right now I've just brought my modular face over from the Series 7. There

00:28:22 ◼   ► is a face that's specific to this watch called Wayfinder. Yeah it looks cool. It

00:28:27 ◼   ► does look cool and you can adjust it where it works a little bit better in

00:28:31 ◼   ► always on mode and of course it has the deal where you rotate the crown and it's

00:28:35 ◼   ► all red so like protects your night vision if you're out stargazing or

00:28:39 ◼   ► something. I have a lot of questions why other Apple watch faces didn't get that

00:28:42 ◼   ► like couldn't they just do that without updating all the other watch faces like

00:28:46 ◼   ► just apply some sort of filter to it I don't know it's weird that's not there

00:28:50 ◼   ► my problem with Wayfinder is my problem basically with a lot of Apple's watch

00:28:54 ◼   ► faces where I don't really care for the curved complication type because a lot

00:29:00 ◼   ► of things just don't do well curve like Carrotweather's got a bunch of

00:29:04 ◼   ► complications and I think it works pretty well. I can have like a little

00:29:06 ◼   ► graph of high and low. To do is I get a little bar you know showing how many

00:29:11 ◼   ► things I have back. But then if I want to see calendar events like they got to

00:29:16 ◼   ► basically be one word long or they get truncated and that's true for a bunch of

00:29:20 ◼   ► Apple watch faces where the complications are around the outside.

00:29:22 ◼   ► And I've kind of just given up on getting one of those really the way that I like

00:29:27 ◼   ► it and I like having you know my computer watch be a little bit more

00:29:32 ◼   ► computery so I think modular is gonna be gonna be it I mean it feels like you

00:29:37 ◼   ► could just complain about watch OS watch faces forever right yeah like it's like

00:29:43 ◼   ► a constant thing have you like that night vision red mode thing on the

00:29:48 ◼   ► Wayfinder do you have any particular thought like is it like good I mean it

00:29:54 ◼   ► it's cool I guess yeah my bigger question is like why didn't they do it

00:29:58 ◼   ► everywhere, like if it's this really important feature.

00:30:01 ◼   ► - Yeah, well, I mean, clearly you're just not doing enough

00:30:03 ◼   ► extreme things, so.

00:30:05 ◼   ► - I know.

00:30:06 ◼   ► - If you did more extreme things, you would way find

00:30:07 ◼   ► and if you were way finding, you could more extremely

00:30:10 ◼   ► look at it in the dark.

00:30:12 ◼   ► - It's true.

00:30:13 ◼   ► - You got a band too though, right?

00:30:15 ◼   ► Which band did you get?

00:30:16 ◼   ► - I got the orange Alpine band, which is the one

00:30:20 ◼   ► with the loops on the outside and has this titanium,

00:30:23 ◼   ► like kind of S hook, actually it looks like a six

00:30:26 ◼   ► now that I'm looking at it and the hook

00:30:27 ◼   ► is all on the outside, is awesome.

00:30:30 ◼   ► The band's really comfortable, it's really lightweight.

00:30:33 ◼   ► It's easy to find, 'cause like the little loops

00:30:36 ◼   ► are pretty close to each other,

00:30:37 ◼   ► so it's easy to find one that fits well for you.

00:30:39 ◼   ► But it's definitely a little--

00:30:40 ◼   ► - It's easy to put on.

00:30:42 ◼   ► - It's not the easiest Well-Watched band to put on.

00:30:45 ◼   ► - But you don't, it makes sense though,

00:30:47 ◼   ► 'cause it's meant to stay on, right?

00:30:50 ◼   ► I feel like these bands are a little different

00:30:52 ◼   ► to the other ones, so for like, no, this is purpose.

00:30:55 ◼   ► Like this one is like meant to hold on

00:30:58 ◼   ► when you're climbing up a mountain.

00:30:59 ◼   ► - Right.

00:31:00 ◼   ► - That's what it's for.

00:31:01 ◼   ► - Yeah, I don't, I can't really imagine

00:31:03 ◼   ► what I would be doing where this watch band

00:31:05 ◼   ► accidentally comes undone.

00:31:09 ◼   ► Right, like I think it would take my arm with it

00:31:11 ◼   ► before the band came undone.

00:31:14 ◼   ► I do have the black and gray trail loop,

00:31:17 ◼   ► which is like basically like the sports,

00:31:21 ◼   ► like the Velcro one.

00:31:23 ◼   ► I got one of those on order

00:31:24 ◼   ► because like the downside of this band is,

00:31:26 ◼   ► and I mean, I like orange, like bright orange,

00:31:28 ◼   ► but it's really noticeable.

00:31:30 ◼   ► I'd like to have something that tones it down a little bit,

00:31:32 ◼   ► but that doesn't ship until November.

00:31:34 ◼   ► So I just have this for a while, but it looks great.

00:31:38 ◼   ► And it is, once you kind of get the hang of how to put it on,

00:31:42 ◼   ► you can do it relatively quickly.

00:31:44 ◼   ► It just took me a couple of days to like work out,

00:31:46 ◼   ► okay, what little spot do I want to put it in?

00:31:48 ◼   ► And how do I manage it?

00:31:51 ◼   ► It's, and it's comfortable.

00:31:54 ◼   ► Like it's basically everything that touches you is sort of,

00:31:57 ◼   ► it's not canvas, but it's kind of like a rid,

00:32:01 ◼   ► like a ridged material.

00:32:04 ◼   ► I don't know, it's hard to,

00:32:06 ◼   ► it's very different from any other watch band

00:32:07 ◼   ► I've had from Apple, I'll say that.

00:32:10 ◼   ► And it definitely completes the look.

00:32:12 ◼   ► And I think it's one reason,

00:32:14 ◼   ► I should have said this at the beginning,

00:32:15 ◼   ► is it the first time in a long time

00:32:17 ◼   ► that someone has come up to me and said,

00:32:19 ◼   ► "Oh, is that the new one?"

00:32:20 ◼   ► like referencing an Apple product in my possession.

00:32:23 ◼   ► I mean, I think the last time was like the iPhone 10 maybe.

00:32:28 ◼   ► And I think the bright orange band honestly

00:32:30 ◼   ► has more to do with it than the size.

00:32:31 ◼   ► And-

00:32:32 ◼   ► - I mean, the whole thing screams different, right?

00:32:35 ◼   ► - Yeah.

00:32:36 ◼   ► - Like it's very visually different.

00:32:39 ◼   ► It's interesting like to me, like when I see,

00:32:41 ◼   ► considering that it does share so many things

00:32:44 ◼   ► with the other watches from like a design language,

00:32:47 ◼   ► it is surprising just how different a product it looks.

00:32:51 ◼   ► Does that make sense?

00:32:52 ◼   ► I mean, you tell me, does that make sense

00:32:53 ◼   ► what I said based on your experience?

00:32:55 ◼   ► - Yeah, I think so.

00:32:56 ◼   ► And I think with orange kind of being like the product,

00:33:00 ◼   ► like if anyone's seen a photo of this

00:33:01 ◼   ► just like float by on Facebook,

00:33:03 ◼   ► it was probably the one with the orange band, right?

00:33:05 ◼   ► It's the image Apple's using.

00:33:07 ◼   ► And so, again, it definitely just draws more attention to it.

00:33:11 ◼   ► And I think that's kind of funny.

00:33:13 ◼   ► Like, this has been a while since I've had that happen,

00:33:15 ◼   ► especially repeatedly, like over the weekend.

00:33:19 ◼   ► So I got it Friday afternoon,

00:33:20 ◼   ► I wore it Saturday to a football game,

00:33:24 ◼   ► Sunday to church, Sunday to some family stuff.

00:33:27 ◼   ► And even like last night I saw some people

00:33:30 ◼   ► and they're like, "Oh, is that the new one?"

00:33:32 ◼   ► Like, "Yep, yep, it is."

00:33:33 ◼   ► And I think the orange,

00:33:35 ◼   ► like the bold orange is probably what gives it away,

00:33:37 ◼   ► at least from across the room.

00:33:39 ◼   ► And I really like this band,

00:33:41 ◼   ► but I'm also looking forward to kind of dressing it down

00:33:44 ◼   ► little bit with the black grey trail loop. Now I have not tried the ocean water band

00:33:51 ◼   ► which at least in the yellow looks like a bunch of like noodles stuck together.

00:33:56 ◼   ► Yeah it's a weird one.

00:34:01 ◼   ► Yeah I do...

00:34:01 ◼   ► The colors are good like the yellow is nice.

00:34:03 ◼   ► The yellow is nice. I think the white looks pretty sharp.

00:34:07 ◼   ► Don't know about yellow and orange though that feels not good. Like the orange is always there.

00:34:12 ◼   ► I think the white looks pretty sharp.

00:34:15 ◼   ► Those you can actually, at least here,

00:34:16 ◼   ► you can get them next day.

00:34:19 ◼   ► So I may end up picking one of those up to try.

00:34:21 ◼   ► I would like to compare the three of them at some point,

00:34:24 ◼   ► but again, it's not till November

00:34:26 ◼   ► when the trail loop shows up.

00:34:28 ◼   ► And so maybe later in the year,

00:34:30 ◼   ► I can review the three of them side by side.

00:34:33 ◼   ► I did try a standard, you know,

00:34:37 ◼   ► large Apple watch band on it.

00:34:40 ◼   ► And it works, like it clips in and it's fine,

00:34:42 ◼   ► but it definitely looks a little too narrow for my taste.

00:34:46 ◼   ► You could do it.

00:34:47 ◼   ► Say that I wanted to wear this someplace nice

00:34:49 ◼   ► before the darker band shows up,

00:34:51 ◼   ► like I would put a dark band on it and it would be fine.

00:34:55 ◼   ► The other way around, I think works about as well.

00:34:59 ◼   ► Like you can put this band on a Series 7.

00:35:02 ◼   ► Like it's fine.

00:35:04 ◼   ► It's a little bit weird.

00:35:07 ◼   ► - I mean, there are a bunch of bands

00:35:08 ◼   ► that don't have metallic lugs and you can use all those like the all the loops

00:35:15 ◼   ► yeah yeah don't have metallic the the magnetic one which I love I recommend

00:35:20 ◼   ► that to anyone by the way if you want a nice-looking well functional watch band

00:35:25 ◼   ► the magnetic loop is your friend yeah now you can wear all those right and but

00:35:29 ◼   ► yeah I know what you mean that it would be strange it's like I thought about

00:35:32 ◼   ► like do I want any of these but now like no I'm not gonna put the silver lugs on

00:35:36 ◼   ► my gold watch. That's just weird.

00:35:38 ◼   ► More power to you if you do it, but that's not my thing.

00:35:42 ◼   ► - Yeah, the lug mismatch, I don't like mismatched metals.

00:35:46 ◼   ► I don't mind if like the lug is blue or black,

00:35:49 ◼   ► you know, that plasticky, whatever material Apple uses.

00:35:52 ◼   ► I agree with you.

00:35:53 ◼   ► I think metal mismatch on the lugs is a deal breaker for me.

00:35:57 ◼   ► You know, I saw some people trying it on their steel bands,

00:36:00 ◼   ► which I think Apple still sells.

00:36:01 ◼   ► I've actually never seen one of those in person,

00:36:04 ◼   ► I don't think, or at least I've never handled one.

00:36:06 ◼   ► That kind of works.

00:36:08 ◼   ► It'd be kind of cool if Apple had a titanium version of that

00:36:10 ◼   ► that matched, but they seem to have basically forgotten

00:36:14 ◼   ► that that band exists.

00:36:16 ◼   ► - Do you sleep track?

00:36:18 ◼   ► - I do.

00:36:18 ◼   ► - Could you sleep with this on?

00:36:20 ◼   ► - You definitely noticed the size.

00:36:22 ◼   ► - I can't worry about you moving your arm

00:36:26 ◼   ► and just giving Mary big bros on the side of the hips.

00:36:29 ◼   ► - She made some exact jokes.

00:36:30 ◼   ► She's like, "Keep that thing away from me."

00:36:32 ◼   ► (laughing)

00:36:33 ◼   ► it's not as comfortable to sleep in as the smaller like the Series 7. What I've

00:36:38 ◼   ► considered doing is... I cannot believe I'm gonna say this...

00:36:43 ◼   ► Daywatch Nightwatch! Daywatch Nightwatch! Daywatch Nightwatch! The Series 7 I have on like the

00:36:49 ◼   ► velcro fabric-y band, it's really comfortable. Uh-huh. It's obviously smaller

00:36:54 ◼   ► like it also is rounded off like it doesn't have the weird protrusion on the

00:36:59 ◼   ► side so I don't know like it's um I haven't gone through with that yet but I

00:37:04 ◼   ► think that's where I may end up like look we haven't talked about like the

00:37:06 ◼   ► battery life on this watch is oh yeah wild so yesterday I I was up early

00:37:14 ◼   ► yesterday put the watch on first thing worked all day like you know in the

00:37:19 ◼   ► office around the house etc yesterday afternoon I'm pulling it up in fitness I

00:37:24 ◼   ► I went for a 2.77 mile walk.

00:37:29 ◼   ► So I walked for just under an hour, came home, had dinner,

00:37:34 ◼   ► was going to bed.

00:37:35 ◼   ► We were going to bed and Mary's watch,

00:37:37 ◼   ► which is the small series seven hit low power mode,

00:37:42 ◼   ► you know, like the 10% thing.

00:37:44 ◼   ► 'Cause she had worked out for about half an hour

00:37:45 ◼   ► that morning and it was in school all day.

00:37:47 ◼   ► And I swiped mine up and control center said

00:37:49 ◼   ► I had 74% battery life remaining.

00:37:51 ◼   ► (laughing)

00:37:53 ◼   ► - Oh my God.

00:37:54 ◼   ► - It doesn't make any sense relative to what we know

00:37:59 ◼   ► about Apple Watch batteries.

00:38:01 ◼   ► Like it's just, it's really, really funny.

00:38:06 ◼   ► - That's monster.

00:38:07 ◼   ► - Yeah, so like I could sleep in it

00:38:09 ◼   ► and I think I'd get like two or three days pretty easily.

00:38:11 ◼   ► If we were going away for a weekend,

00:38:12 ◼   ► like we were going camping,

00:38:13 ◼   ► I wouldn't even bring an Apple Watch charger,

00:38:15 ◼   ► like it would be fine.

00:38:16 ◼   ► - Especially when they bring out that like,

00:38:19 ◼   ► that wild thing that it does.

00:38:22 ◼   ► and it says that it should triple the battery life.

00:38:26 ◼   ► So there was actually some information from this.

00:38:28 ◼   ► It was either in MKBHD or I just need to review

00:38:30 ◼   ► 'cause Apple didn't really give any information

00:38:32 ◼   ► but I think I heard it there, Link.

00:38:35 ◼   ► So battery optimization coming later this year

00:38:38 ◼   ► and basically what it does is it's pinging GPS

00:38:42 ◼   ► and the heart rate sensors less often.

00:38:44 ◼   ► In doing that, it should triple the battery life

00:38:47 ◼   ► and should get you around 60 hours of battery life.

00:38:50 ◼   ► (laughing)

00:38:52 ◼   ► See what I mean?

00:38:53 ◼   ► Like, there's no reference to like this battery life

00:38:56 ◼   ► and other Apple watches.

00:38:57 ◼   ► It's so far beyond.

00:38:59 ◼   ► And so if I was sleeping with like the series seven on

00:39:01 ◼   ► would really just be about the comfort level,

00:39:04 ◼   ► not about anything else.

00:39:06 ◼   ► And that's probably what I'll end up doing because,

00:39:09 ◼   ► you know, trade in on Apple watches is bad

00:39:12 ◼   ► and selling them like, you know, you can do it,

00:39:15 ◼   ► but you're also gonna take a bath and it's titanium.

00:39:18 ◼   ► Like it's a nice watch.

00:39:19 ◼   ► I probably would just hold onto it

00:39:20 ◼   ► for sleep tracking purposes, but it's--

00:39:24 ◼   ► Well, also like, you might not wanna wear the ultra

00:39:27 ◼   ► if you're going for a nice meal.

00:39:28 ◼   ► Sure, yeah.

00:39:30 ◼   ► Right?

00:39:30 ◼   ► But I'm also one that I won't,

00:39:31 ◼   ► like if Mary and I were going out,

00:39:34 ◼   ► like I probably would wear a traditional watch anyways.

00:39:37 ◼   ► Or a real watch, yeah.

00:39:39 ◼   ► Like my calculator watch.

00:39:40 ◼   ► Like a gentleman.

00:39:41 ◼   ► But it's--

00:39:42 ◼   ► A Casio calculator, like a real gentleman.

00:39:45 ◼   ► Tell them, yeah.

00:39:46 ◼   ► Let me open the door for you

00:39:47 ◼   ► and calculate our tip on my wrist.

00:39:49 ◼   ► So I have two final questions. Okay, yeah, if you want to say more you can but these are my two last questions

00:39:53 ◼   ► And it's like I'll ask both at the same time. Are you gonna keep it? Why are you gonna keep it?

00:39:58 ◼   ► I am keeping it because

00:40:00 ◼   ► Despite some of the weirdness around the size and like I'm basically committing to new bands even that I don't have to commit to new bands

00:40:07 ◼   ► I really like it. I like the size. I like the I mean look I am

00:40:15 ◼   ► Swearily in the like crosshairs of Apple's marketing for this thing. We're like, yeah, like I work out I do outdoor activities

00:40:22 ◼   ► But I'm not like an ultra marathon or where this watch doesn't really meet my needs

00:40:25 ◼   ► Right, like a lot of that what this watch can do it is totally aspirational for my level of fitness and activity

00:40:31 ◼   ► But I like sort of the lifestyle side of it, right? I like kind of what the watch says and

00:40:38 ◼   ► The size works for me like if this had been too big I would I was not going to force the issue because I didn't

00:40:44 ◼   ► want to wear a watch it was like hanging over my wrist and like banging into

00:40:47 ◼   ► things and again I think I'm just just within the parameters for the size if

00:40:55 ◼   ► this watch were 51 millimeters or 52 millimeters I don't think I could pull

00:41:00 ◼   ► it off but I feel like the size works for me I like the features and I like the

00:41:07 ◼   ► way it looks and so for me it will be it'll be sticking around even if I never

00:41:12 ◼   ► use it to you know hike across Scotland or whatever underscore is doing this

00:41:16 ◼   ► week I I can't wait for him to talk about that he told me he's gonna write

00:41:20 ◼   ► it up but like yeah I can't wait to hear about his experience maybe we should get

00:41:24 ◼   ► him on the show underscore underscore join us on the show there he's been

00:41:30 ◼   ► asked so I do all of our business I remember I said I wanted to go try one

00:41:37 ◼   ► on I wanted to go to the Apple Store try it on I decided not to do that because

00:41:41 ◼   ► you don't be tempted. I'm worried I'm gonna buy one. Yeah. So I'm not going I'm

00:41:46 ◼   ► not looking I'm not I've refused to look. Adina tried one on I sent Steve a

00:41:50 ◼   ► picture and it's one of the most ridiculous things you've ever seen. It's

00:41:53 ◼   ► like it's like somebody put a watch on a twig it looks hilarious. It's like if I

00:41:57 ◼   ► put a dinner plate on my wrist right like Adina is so petite in this watch I

00:42:01 ◼   ► mean it was I seriously laughed out loud and like it's so funny and not making

00:42:06 ◼   ► fun of Adina like I love Adina to death but this is so not the product for her

00:42:11 ◼   ► she's 5'2 she's like yes and she was buying a series 8 so which she did and

00:42:17 ◼   ► we've been setting up and she's pretty excited about that. Which one did she get?

00:42:20 ◼   ► Starlight okay cuz quote silver it's less boring than silver yeah which is

00:42:26 ◼   ► true I mean she's completely correct I got Mary's seven is starlight cuz I

00:42:31 ◼   ► don't think they I don't think they did like the regular silver in the series

00:42:34 ◼   ► and you can't tell the difference unless it's side by side with a silver watch

00:42:39 ◼   ► and even then you're like maybe I mean it's very it's very subtle yeah I'm

00:42:45 ◼   ► gonna find that image that she sent me and put it in yeah it's hilarious

00:42:50 ◼   ► absolutely hilarious and it's worth it's definitely worth people seeing because

00:42:54 ◼   ► you know it gives you the idea of like if you're if you're like slim five to

00:43:00 ◼   ► like tiny person this probably is not gonna work for you? I mean I don't know

00:43:05 ◼   ► you make your own decision but I don't think it...

00:43:07 ◼   ► Probably not. I need to get

00:43:09 ◼   ► married to try it on. I think it'd be a similar effect but yeah I mean this

00:43:13 ◼   ► watch is an outlier right because of the size because of the look it means that

00:43:19 ◼   ► it's just so people just aren't gonna be able to wear it and yeah and if you're

00:43:23 ◼   ► someone who wears an Apple watch in a lot of different contexts this may not

00:43:27 ◼   ► work, right? So if you go into an office day every day in a suit and tie or like

00:43:32 ◼   ► you know a nice blouse or something like this doesn't dress up as easily as some of the other Apple watches now

00:43:40 ◼   ► That may not be a deal breaker for you and for other people. It's a big deal

00:43:44 ◼   ► Like there's just there's more decisions that go into this watch

00:43:47 ◼   ► Than I feel like there's ever been with the Apple watch before and I think if you are

00:43:53 ◼   ► Interested in it and you can get your hands on one in a store or something like that. I think it's worth

00:43:59 ◼   ► trying it on first because

00:44:02 ◼   ► It unless you're just like just you got, you know, big beefy wrists

00:44:07 ◼   ► Like, you know, you like big watches and like yeah go for it

00:44:10 ◼   ► But if you have any doubt in your mind and it's easy to get your hands on one, I think it's worth

00:44:16 ◼   ► trying that because it is

00:44:20 ◼   ► Surprisingly different from any other Apple watch we've had and we know we've had what two size increases over the years

00:44:26 ◼   ► But there's way more ground

00:44:29 ◼   ► You know way more space between this and the other Apple watches than all the other Apple watches

00:44:35 ◼   ► Combined and I think that's cool

00:44:38 ◼   ► Like I'm glad apples diversified the line and I'm glad like what they did works for me

00:44:44 ◼   ► I think it's I think it's really cool

00:44:45 ◼   ► I really enjoy it, but it does mean that they've built a product that's not for everybody in a way that

00:44:52 ◼   ► we haven't really seen with the Apple Watch. I mean there are people who don't like the Apple Watch and there's people who, you know...

00:44:58 ◼   ► There are people that the big one is already not, like,

00:45:01 ◼   ► what used to be the big one was already not for them because it was too big, you know what I mean?

00:45:04 ◼   ► Yeah. Everybody has their own taste.

00:45:06 ◼   ► Yeah. You could be a tiny five foot two person and want this and wear it and like it and that works for you.

00:45:14 ◼   ► But, you know, you kind of roll your own adventure on that one.

00:45:20 ◼   ► But I think one of the things about this watch is like, as compared to other watches that

00:45:26 ◼   ► exist in the world of this size, is like the Apple Watch, the bands kind of really come

00:45:32 ◼   ► out of the sides and it makes the whole thing look bigger.

00:45:38 ◼   ► Which is just the way they design it.

00:45:39 ◼   ► But like, standard watches don't do that, right?

00:45:43 ◼   ► come down from the lug way more. And maybe actually now Apple probably have some bands

00:45:48 ◼   ► that might work like this. Or maybe you could get a third party band that the lugs are more

00:45:52 ◼   ► detached and it kind of like has a different profile. But it makes the overall thing look

00:45:57 ◼   ► so much larger. I will say with the Alpine band at least I don't think this is true for

00:46:02 ◼   ► the ocean water one. But the Alpine band at least the fabric loops are can't go in any

00:46:09 ◼   ► direction. Yeah. And so for me, yeah, the looks took out a little bit, but then the

00:46:13 ◼   ► band basically goes straight down. I think one of the things that makes the image, which

00:46:17 ◼   ► I've put in the Discord is the show notes of Adina wearing it. She's wearing the Ocean

00:46:21 ◼   ► band, which is definitely, I think, the chunkiest of all of them, right? I think if I try the

00:46:28 ◼   ► Ocean band, it may not work for that reason, but I guess we'll see. So yeah, it's just

00:46:35 ◼   ► factors that go into deciding if the Ultra is right for you. There's also like

00:46:40 ◼   ► price and these other things right but if you were someone who bought you know

00:46:44 ◼   ► a stainless steel or ceramic watch or you're somebody who updates their watch

00:46:49 ◼   ► every three years and you're looking at this one like I think there's also a

00:46:52 ◼   ► longevity angle to this watch not necessarily because it's more rugged or

00:46:55 ◼   ► extreme but like just the battery capacity alone means this watch could

00:47:01 ◼   ► perform really well for years to come as the battery degrades right because

00:47:05 ◼   ► you're starting with so much more battery life than anything else we've

00:47:08 ◼   ► ever had in the Apple Watch and so those are all factors with this and for me it

00:47:13 ◼   ► totally works but I think for a lot of people it may not and that's that's fine

00:47:16 ◼   ► and on the price I am still surprised about the price so like you know the if

00:47:21 ◼   ► you want to get a silver stainless steel with a sport loop the 45 millimeters

00:47:26 ◼   ► seven hundred forty nine dollars yeah this is seven hundred ninety nine

00:47:31 ◼   ► dollars so like I kind of can't believe that it's only fifty dollars more by and

00:47:38 ◼   ► large then a like regular stainless steel one it's not that much of a jump

00:47:43 ◼   ► so if you're in the market for an Apple watch this is definitely in the

00:47:48 ◼   ► conversation now right like and you know let's not fitness shame right like you

00:47:54 ◼   ► don't have to climb a mountain to wear this watch. Like if you just want it, get it. But

00:48:00 ◼   ► maybe it'll be big on you.

00:48:01 ◼   ► Maybe. It's still going to be orange though, which is the best part.

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00:49:48 ◼   ► I wanted to take a moment to talk about watchOS 9.

00:49:52 ◼   ► - Okay.

00:49:53 ◼   ► - I had some thoughts on it that I wanted to share

00:49:55 ◼   ► and maybe kind of fit symbol.

00:49:57 ◼   ► So I mentioned like one of the things I'd noticed

00:50:00 ◼   ► is they've definitely done something to,

00:50:03 ◼   ► oh by the way, go read Alex Guido's review on Mac stories.

00:50:08 ◼   ► - It's fantastic.

00:50:09 ◼   ► - It's very good.

00:50:10 ◼   ► Helps me with understanding all the things that I can do.

00:50:13 ◼   ► So like I have noticed that there are definitely places

00:50:16 ◼   ► in watchOS 9 where they're optimizing for screen space a bit better.

00:50:23 ◼   ► Like the banner notifications are one of these, right?

00:50:27 ◼   ► Like if you're using the watch, if the watch is active, notifications

00:50:33 ◼   ► now appear as a banner rather than taking up the entire screen,

00:50:36 ◼   ► which I definitely prefer.

00:50:38 ◼   ► Yeah, I think that's pretty nice.

00:50:40 ◼   ► It got ran the watchOS beta for the first time ever this summer.

00:50:44 ◼   ► In the beginning of the summer, I wasn't so sure about the banner notifications,

00:50:49 ◼   ► but I've come to really like them because if you're setting up a workout or you're

00:50:53 ◼   ► reading a text message or you're doing something with the watch, the old

00:50:58 ◼   ► notification style was basically modal, right?

00:51:00 ◼   ► It would take over the whole watch and you couldn't do anything until you dismissed

00:51:04 ◼   ► it or the animation went away.

00:51:06 ◼   ► And now it's just like the iPhone or like the Mac where you can be working, be doing

00:51:10 ◼   ► something, see it come in.

00:51:11 ◼   ► you can go contend with it or you can just let it go and it'll be a

00:51:14 ◼   ► notification center when you come back. So I've really come around around on

00:51:20 ◼   ► this feature a lot more than I was earlier in the summer. The same as like

00:51:25 ◼   ► the kind of varied sizing now in notification center I feel like they're

00:51:31 ◼   ► doing a better job of like stretching and shrinking the notifications I think

00:51:36 ◼   ► it looks cleaner except you know I can when you see the notifications pop up I

00:51:41 ◼   ► I think they look better than they did before.

00:51:43 ◼   ► Like just the overall look of them

00:51:44 ◼   ► when you do get them full screen,

00:51:46 ◼   ► except some apps they look incredibly janky.

00:51:48 ◼   ► I don't know why.

00:51:49 ◼   ► - Yeah.

00:51:50 ◼   ► - Like the text is all wrong.

00:51:52 ◼   ► It's like all wrong and I don't.

00:51:54 ◼   ► - The to doest one, the text is like trying to escape

00:51:57 ◼   ► the notification UI on the left side.

00:51:59 ◼   ► It's bizarre, really strange.

00:52:02 ◼   ► - I was really excited for the Metropolitan watch face.

00:52:05 ◼   ► - Yeah, tell me about that

00:52:06 ◼   ► because I spent a little time with it,

00:52:09 ◼   ► but I definitely wanna hear your thinking on it.

00:52:11 ◼   ► It's just a visual style that I enjoy.

00:52:14 ◼   ► I own a metropolitan style watch, like a Nomos watch.

00:52:19 ◼   ► And I just like the way it looks, like the visuals of it.

00:52:22 ◼   ► I always end up in this situation

00:52:24 ◼   ► with the colors of the watch faces.

00:52:27 ◼   ► I don't like when the color dramatically changes

00:52:31 ◼   ► from the always on mode to the active mode, right?

00:52:35 ◼   ► So if you have like a white watch face,

00:52:38 ◼   ► it goes dark, like really dark when it goes into always on.

00:52:42 ◼   ► And I find that to be really annoying

00:52:45 ◼   ► to see that transition occur.

00:52:47 ◼   ► So I tend to run watch faces where I can have them be dark.

00:52:51 ◼   ► So I have like on the metropolitan face,

00:52:54 ◼   ► I'm using like the color is just the gray color

00:52:58 ◼   ► because when it goes into the always on mode,

00:53:00 ◼   ► it's then kind of still just a darker gray basically.

00:53:05 ◼   ► But it does some stuff that I don't like.

00:53:07 ◼   ► I don't like that it removes the numbers

00:53:09 ◼   ► and it also goes a little too dark.

00:53:12 ◼   ► It darkens the complications a little too much.

00:53:15 ◼   ► And I was wondering how that was gonna be for me for a bit,

00:53:19 ◼   ► like if it was gonna be annoying,

00:53:21 ◼   ► but I've kind of come around on that

00:53:23 ◼   ► 'cause I really liked this face.

00:53:24 ◼   ► It has one of the weirdest features of any Apple Watch face

00:53:28 ◼   ► where if you activate it

00:53:30 ◼   ► and you scroll the digital crown, the numbers change shape.

00:53:34 ◼   ► Like they get larger or smaller

00:53:36 ◼   ► and like the font changes.

00:53:38 ◼   ► Very strange, but it's the thing that you can do.

00:53:41 ◼   ► - Yeah, because like the California watch face,

00:53:43 ◼   ► it has different styles for the time,

00:53:47 ◼   ► but you change it in the edit.

00:53:50 ◼   ► Like just scrolling through the crown doesn't change it.

00:53:53 ◼   ► I just want more consistency

00:53:54 ◼   ► across the way these watch faces work.

00:53:57 ◼   ► Like the Wayfinder one.

00:53:58 ◼   ► - Why, but you can, in the editing mode,

00:54:00 ◼   ► you can also make customizations like the California.

00:54:04 ◼   ► so you can choose how many numbers do you want to show up.

00:54:07 ◼   ► So that's the same.

00:54:09 ◼   ► But do you remember the one that they made

00:54:10 ◼   ► for the Apple Watch Series 5, I think,

00:54:13 ◼   ► where it looked like the time was melting off the sides?

00:54:16 ◼   ► - Oh yeah, yeah, I do.

00:54:17 ◼   ► - When you turn the digital crown without one, it moves.

00:54:21 ◼   ► So they've done this a couple of other times.

00:54:23 ◼   ► It's a strange thing, but it's kind of fun to play with.

00:54:26 ◼   ► - Do you remember the feature,

00:54:28 ◼   ► maybe Federica remembers what it was called,

00:54:30 ◼   ► where you would rotate the crown and the time would move?

00:54:32 ◼   ► - Time travel.

00:54:33 ◼   ► Time travel.

00:54:34 ◼   ► Worst feature.

00:54:35 ◼   ► That feature sucks.

00:54:36 ◼   ► Yeah, 'cause you--

00:54:37 ◼   ► Sucked so bad.

00:54:38 ◼   ► You hit your digital crown accidentally in your jacket

00:54:40 ◼   ► and then you're late to a meeting

00:54:41 ◼   ► 'cause you think it's 3 p.m. and really it's 4.30.

00:54:44 ◼   ► It's so strange.

00:54:45 ◼   ► I understood what they were going for,

00:54:48 ◼   ► but it was a bad idea.

00:54:50 ◼   ► I like the medication app a lot.

00:54:52 ◼   ► So I was using the medication feature on my iPhone,

00:54:56 ◼   ► but it's way better on the watch

00:54:58 ◼   ► 'cause it has like the app is there

00:55:00 ◼   ► and you can also just like say,

00:55:02 ◼   ► "Hey, I took my meds from the watch notification."

00:55:05 ◼   ► I really like it, so that's really good.

00:55:08 ◼   ► Low power mode, very good to have.

00:55:10 ◼   ► It came in handy when I was coming home from America.

00:55:14 ◼   ► Like, my watch was getting down,

00:55:15 ◼   ► and I could put it into low power mode,

00:55:17 ◼   ► and I still get activity stuff that way.

00:55:20 ◼   ► Because previously, you'd do it in that

00:55:22 ◼   ► power saving mode or whatever,

00:55:24 ◼   ► and it was basically like your watch didn't work.

00:55:27 ◼   ► Talking about watch not working,

00:55:28 ◼   ► I don't like the new interaction with the sleep focus mode

00:55:33 ◼   ► where you have to hold down the digital crown

00:55:36 ◼   ► to get to the watch.

00:55:37 ◼   ► - Yeah.

00:55:38 ◼   ► - That really annoys me.

00:55:40 ◼   ► I don't like that.

00:55:40 ◼   ► - It used to be that you spun it, right?

00:55:42 ◼   ► To get out of.

00:55:43 ◼   ► - Yeah.

00:55:44 ◼   ► - Yeah, that's a bit weird to me.

00:55:45 ◼   ► Maybe they had feedback that people's watches

00:55:48 ◼   ► were coming out of sleep mode.

00:55:49 ◼   ► It's like, I would think it'd be easier

00:55:51 ◼   ► to accidentally turn the crown in your sleep,

00:55:53 ◼   ► like dragging your arm across the pillow or something, but.

00:55:55 ◼   ► - I don't know if it used to lock me out like this

00:55:58 ◼   ► - Maybe it doesn't. - But yeah, that's a weird change.

00:56:00 ◼   ► - You're thinking of the water thing,

00:56:01 ◼   ► 'cause they changed that too.

00:56:03 ◼   ► - Maybe I am.

00:56:04 ◼   ► - But with sleep mode, it used to just do what it does now.

00:56:06 ◼   ► Like it turns the always on off.

00:56:08 ◼   ► But then if you wanna use the watch,

00:56:10 ◼   ► you have to hold down the crown,

00:56:13 ◼   ► and I find that really annoying.

00:56:14 ◼   ► I don't need it, I don't need that feature,

00:56:18 ◼   ► and I don't like that they're making me do it.

00:56:20 ◼   ► The last thing that I really love,

00:56:22 ◼   ► really love about watchOS 9,

00:56:24 ◼   ► is the keyboard when you're replying to messages,

00:56:27 ◼   ► now has suggestions for words that you can tap like QuickType,

00:56:32 ◼   ► where before you had to tap the word

00:56:34 ◼   ► and scroll to digital ground to change the word,

00:56:36 ◼   ► which was terrible.

00:56:37 ◼   ► But now you can, it's better optimized for the things,

00:56:42 ◼   ► which I actually, more than I thought I would,

00:56:45 ◼   ► do I reply to messages using the swipe typing on my watch.

00:56:50 ◼   ► - I didn't even mention that on the Ultra.

00:56:51 ◼   ► On the Ultra, you can just totally just type

00:56:53 ◼   ► with your index finger.

00:56:54 ◼   ► Like it's so big.

00:56:55 ◼   ► - Yeah, there's a ton of space.

00:56:56 ◼   ► Yeah, yeah. It's that feature, like, man, it was built with the big Ultra in mind, for sure.

00:57:05 ◼   ► So that's my thoughts on WatchOS 9. Let's welcome Federico Vitigi back to Connected.

00:57:10 ◼   ► Hello Federico.

00:57:11 ◼   ► Hello. I want to explain what just happened to me because, like, I'm honestly, like, shaking right now.

00:57:18 ◼   ► And there's a tech angle to this.

00:57:22 ◼   ► So as I was recording the show,

00:57:26 ◼   ► I just watched my beach house being broken into by a guy via my security camera.

00:57:36 ◼   ► Like, I got the alert and I just watched it.

00:57:41 ◼   ► What security camera do you have?

00:57:43 ◼   ► I have a Logi Circle 2 outside.

00:57:46 ◼   ► Like, initially I, like, panicked.

00:57:50 ◼   ► Yeah, I mean, of course.

00:57:51 ◼   ► I was like, I thought I was like having like hallucinations, like am I hallucinating this?

00:58:00 ◼   ► And I realized this is happening for real. And I texted you guys quickly and then I got

00:58:08 ◼   ► up and I just spent the past 30, 35 minutes first on the phone with my mom, because obviously

00:58:17 ◼   ► I'm in Rome and she's closer to the beach house than I am. Right. But then my mom immediately

00:58:21 ◼   ► called the police and the police told her, stay where you are. Don't go there. Yeah,

00:58:26 ◼   ► seriously. Yeah, of course. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, and also, you know, it's, it's, it's,

00:58:31 ◼   ► it's dark now even like it well past, you know, 8 PM and I sent the, the police called

00:58:41 ◼   ► me and I just had to describe this guy on the phone to the police like can you give us like

00:58:49 ◼   ► can you tell us what it looks like and it's been it's been so weird to do this like as you like

00:58:57 ◼   ► to watch a person break into your house and describe to a police officer on the phone

00:59:06 ◼   ► what you were seeing and the details like what does it look like and then they asked me to send

00:59:12 ◼   ► them the videos on whatsapp they gave me a phone number and the police officer told me can you

00:59:18 ◼   ► quickly please send me these videos on whatsapp because we have two we have two cars with officers

00:59:27 ◼   ► outside your home right now whoa and and it's been carabinieri baby they get it done yeah and

00:59:36 ◼   ► And it's been so... I don't know, I'm shaking right now.

00:59:40 ◼   ► I'm not surprised. It's a very horrible thing.

00:59:43 ◼   ► The tech angle is that HomeKit Secure Video worked exceptionally well.

00:59:50 ◼   ► I got the alert and it told me there's a person in your home.

00:59:56 ◼   ► I opened the Home app and I selected the portions of the video tracks that I wanted to export

01:00:03 ◼   ► and I just saved them as MP4 files in the files app

01:00:08 ◼   ► and then also in photos,

01:00:10 ◼   ► because it was easier to send them to my mom

01:00:13 ◼   ► and to the police.

01:00:14 ◼   ► And it was super easy.

01:00:16 ◼   ► But yeah, my hope is that, it's been so weird,

01:00:20 ◼   ► like I just watched this guy jump over the gate

01:00:24 ◼   ► and go through my stuff with another guy outside,

01:00:29 ◼   ► just covering him, I guess.

01:00:31 ◼   ► It's, I don't know, it's the first time in my life that this happened to me.

01:00:36 ◼   ► And, you know, it's not fun, but at least, you know,

01:00:41 ◼   ► Yay passed me for installing a security camera.

01:00:46 ◼   ► And also this is so weird, it's one of those coincidences, it's so weird.

01:00:49 ◼   ► Last week, Sylvia and I were there.

01:00:54 ◼   ► And we were like, "Should we take the security camera now that we're not at the beach anymore?

01:01:00 ◼   ► Like, is there even a reason to keep it now?

01:01:03 ◼   ► Nobody's here.

01:01:04 ◼   ► - Oh, 'cause you're kind of locked down

01:01:06 ◼   ► for the season now, right?

01:01:07 ◼   ► - Yeah, we're not going there.

01:01:09 ◼   ► We're not going there until next spring.

01:01:11 ◼   ► And we're like, should we grab it?

01:01:12 ◼   ► And I was like, yeah, I don't know.

01:01:14 ◼   ► For now, let's leave it.

01:01:16 ◼   ► And I had actually unplugged the Apple TV

01:01:21 ◼   ► thinking I'm gonna take this one.

01:01:23 ◼   ► But then I realized, no, well, if I'm leaving the camera,

01:01:25 ◼   ► it needs a HomeKit hub.

01:01:27 ◼   ► So before I left, I plugged it back in.

01:01:30 ◼   ► and I ran the software update to tvOS 16 to make sure that everything was up to date on

01:01:36 ◼   ► the Apple TV serving as the home kit hub and now as a turn of fate it was actually useful

01:01:44 ◼   ► because of this. Geez, I don't know.

01:01:48 ◼   ► I'm very sorry this happened to you. This is a terrible thing. Federico was texting

01:01:53 ◼   ► me and Steven. We were like, so we were aware that it was happening as it was going down.

01:01:58 ◼   ► Did it look like he got away with anything?

01:02:02 ◼   ► - Yeah.

01:02:03 ◼   ► This is so odd, but I actually don't think

01:02:10 ◼   ► they stole anything of value, hopefully.

01:02:15 ◼   ► So I don't think they were able to break in.

01:02:18 ◼   ► We have a pretty heavy front door made of metal.

01:02:26 ◼   ► It's one of those really old but sturdy metal doors.

01:02:31 ◼   ► But outside, that's where we have the...

01:02:34 ◼   ► And I know that it's a serious situation,

01:02:39 ◼   ► but I can't help but laugh about this stuff.

01:02:42 ◼   ► I think the guy stole the barbecue stuff.

01:02:44 ◼   ► - No!

01:02:45 ◼   ► - I know what you mean, like it's a horrible thing,

01:02:49 ◼   ► but you can laugh about it if like it just feels

01:02:51 ◼   ► like you just took a few things

01:02:52 ◼   ► that aren't really that important, right?

01:02:53 ◼   ► - I think this idiot stole my barbecue stuff.

01:02:57 ◼   ► Like, I'm pretty sure that from the video

01:03:00 ◼   ► he stole like the ax that I used to grab wood

01:03:04 ◼   ► to, you know, light a fire.

01:03:09 ◼   ► - Maybe he has some friends over

01:03:10 ◼   ► and he can't light the barbecue.

01:03:12 ◼   ► - Could be.

01:03:13 ◼   ► - He stole my barbecue stuff.

01:03:15 ◼   ► But like, I don't know, I'm calming down a bit now.

01:03:20 ◼   ► Thankfully, like thank God we took the things of value last week.

01:03:26 ◼   ► Oh, gosh. But yeah, this idiot stole.

01:03:30 ◼   ► I mean, at least I hope he only stole my barbecue stuff.

01:03:34 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:03:36 ◼   ► But what else do I keep outside?

01:03:39 ◼   ► There's nothing of value outside.

01:03:41 ◼   ► I didn't even see these idiots.

01:03:44 ◼   ► They didn't even see my camera because I got a very good look at the guy.

01:03:49 ◼   ► Here's the thing, right, for a crime like this.

01:03:52 ◼   ► This guy is a chancer.

01:03:54 ◼   ► He's not like, you know what I mean?

01:03:56 ◼   ► He's not like a master criminal.

01:03:57 ◼   ► - He's not a rocket scientist.

01:03:59 ◼   ► - I watched him climb that fence, Federico.

01:04:00 ◼   ► He's not, you know what I mean?

01:04:02 ◼   ► He's not smart.

01:04:04 ◼   ► Like these people, they just--

01:04:06 ◼   ► - You're not a pro.

01:04:07 ◼   ► - You know, he's just seen an opportunity

01:04:09 ◼   ► and he's jumped in and tried to grab,

01:04:11 ◼   ► 'cause he's obviously so stupid

01:04:13 ◼   ► that his face is completely visible.

01:04:15 ◼   ► He just walks towards the camera.

01:04:17 ◼   ► - Yes, yes.

01:04:18 ◼   ► Yes, yes. And he stole my toolbox, it seems. I'm taking a look at the video again. He stole

01:04:25 ◼   ► my toolbox, my axe. Wow. Okay. I guess he needed some tools, I suppose. It was like,

01:04:31 ◼   ► we're out of tools. Let's go steal some.

01:04:34 ◼   ► He's building something.

01:04:35 ◼   ► What else? He did it. Yeah. See, this is, this is the gross thing about this. Seeing

01:04:40 ◼   ► a random guy go through your stuff.

01:04:41 ◼   ► Yeah, it's a bad feeling.

01:04:42 ◼   ► Even if you didn't take anything off. Like, if it feels weird and gross watching this.

01:04:47 ◼   ► It's a violation.

01:04:48 ◼   ► Yes, I feel violated. Yes, that's exactly what it feels like. I kind of feel like I

01:04:52 ◼   ► just want to go there and throw everything in the trash right now. This is gross. Look

01:04:58 ◼   ► at this idiot. Look at him go. He even looks at the camera at one point.

01:05:03 ◼   ► Yeah, look at that. That's the moment, like, you know, it's like the anime to be continued

01:05:09 ◼   ► moment when he looks at the camera. He's like, oh.

01:05:15 ◼   ► This presents a unique opportunity to us to pivot Connected into a true crime podcast.

01:05:23 ◼   ► Oh, yeah!

01:05:25 ◼   ► Yeah!

01:05:26 ◼   ► So, you know, if they find him, we'll have an updated episode, talk about his sentencing,

01:05:32 ◼   ► etc, etc.

01:05:34 ◼   ► We could, like, do this, like, "From Relay FM, a story of a stolen tools."

01:05:42 ◼   ► and then like Federico. Federico give me a quote now just like say something, anything.

01:05:46 ◼   ► I don't know what they stole but I can tell you for sure they grabbed my axe.

01:05:51 ◼   ► Don't you say like this is how we like that's how you build the stuff, the crime story.

01:06:07 ◼   ► Like a very serial style.

01:06:11 ◼   ► He thought he was just jumping a fence, but instead he jumped into a wider story.

01:06:16 ◼   ► The guy had no idea I would end up on an international podcast about Apple stuff.

01:06:22 ◼   ► That's the thing about it.

01:06:23 ◼   ► Let's get into Paul on this. He's just committed an international crime now.

01:06:30 ◼   ► See, Cavalta, so through the history of the prompt and then connected, we've done our and

01:06:38 ◼   ► discussed our fair share of weird things and topics, right? And we've said some silly things,

01:06:45 ◼   ► some more serious things. We've seen the spectrum of the topics we can cover. I never thought I

01:06:52 ◼   ► would end up watching my house being broken into and talk about it on the show as it was happening.

01:06:58 ◼   ► as it was happening. That's the thing that kills me is we record two hours a week.

01:07:02 ◼   ► Like this would have been strange no matter what time of day you send us these videos, right?

01:07:09 ◼   ► Like yes, very upsetting, like all of that. But for it to happen on the show, it's just the

01:07:14 ◼   ► universe telling us that, you know, it's time to pivot the company. Well it's just like I'm asking

01:07:19 ◼   ► Steven, you know, "Does your watch band fit?" and Federico's sending me messages of a person

01:07:25 ◼   ► and breaking into his house. I will say, this is what you get. Like, what other tech podcast

01:07:30 ◼   ► has had a live house break-in? You know?

01:07:34 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:07:35 ◼   ► Fedorica, you have to go back and listen to see what I think about the Apple Watch Ultra

01:07:38 ◼   ► though.

01:07:39 ◼   ► I will do that. I will do that, actually.

01:07:41 ◼   ► I'll provide follow-up next week.

01:07:42 ◼   ► Okay.

01:07:43 ◼   ► I think that we have now set the stage emotionally to talk a bit about Stage Manager.

01:07:49 ◼   ► You got me right where I need to be right now. Yes.

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01:10:02 ◼   ► So yesterday Apple gave a statement to Engadget. I will now read that statement.

01:10:09 ◼   ► "We introduced Stage Manager as a whole new way to

01:10:13 ◼   ► multitask with overlapping resizable windows on both the iPad display and a separate external

01:10:18 ◼   ► display with the ability to run up to 8 live apps on screen at once.

01:10:24 ◼   ► Delivering this multi-display support is only possible with the full power of M1 based iPads.

01:10:30 ◼   ► Customers of iPad Pro 3rd and 4th generation have expressed strong interest in being able

01:10:37 ◼   ► to experience Stage Manager on their iPads.

01:10:40 ◼   ► In response, our team have worked hard to find a way to deliver a single screen version

01:10:46 ◼   ► for these systems with support for up to 4 live apps on the iPad screen at once.

01:10:52 ◼   ► External display support for Stage Manager on M1 iPads will be available in a software

01:10:57 ◼   ► update later this year.

01:10:59 ◼   ► Apple also delayed, uh, oh yeah sorry the external display support is delayed, yep,

01:11:04 ◼   ► and then everything else is coming out whenever it comes out 16.1.

01:11:08 ◼   ► Yeah, so it is a little confusing.

01:11:10 ◼   ► So the 2018, 2020 iPads,

01:11:15 ◼   ► no external display support for Stage Manager ever.

01:11:19 ◼   ► The M1 is still getting it, but not anytime soon.

01:11:22 ◼   ► And Federico, my question for you is,

01:11:25 ◼   ► does getting rid of the external display support for now,

01:11:28 ◼   ► does that fix Stage Manager?

01:11:29 ◼   ► Was that the core of the problem?

01:11:31 ◼   ► It was one of the crashiest parts of it.

01:11:37 ◼   ► of it, but it doesn't fix the problem, unfortunately. I was hoping yesterday that it would fix the

01:11:43 ◼   ► problem. So almost like, you know, cutting off a rotten limb. I'm sorry for the grim

01:11:52 ◼   ► metaphor, but you're in a mood, you know, but no, it doesn't fix it. The problem is

01:11:59 ◼   ► still there despite the, you know, dropping the the weight of of that part the problem persists.

01:12:08 ◼   ► Yeah, it was quite interesting to follow along with Federico on twitter yesterday.

01:12:16 ◼   ► It's been an emotional arc.

01:12:19 ◼   ► And then it reminded me of the comedy in the tragedy masks which I found out are also known

01:12:26 ◼   ► as "Sock and Buskin" which I did not know until I looked this up today.

01:12:31 ◼   ► But where I was like, he was so happy and then immediately so sad.

01:12:35 ◼   ► Federico, I would love you to give that kind of whole arc to the connected audience.

01:12:40 ◼   ► So why were you happy about what Apple did and then why are you sad?

01:12:44 ◼   ► Well immediately I was happy to see the recognition of the feedback from the community.

01:12:51 ◼   ► and I was happy to see Apple being willing to compromise and saying, "Okay, we hear your feedback.

01:13:01 ◼   ► We know that you really want to use Stage Manager on your older iPad, so how about this?

01:13:09 ◼   ► We don't give you external display support, we give you a single screen Stage Manager,

01:13:14 ◼   ► and you can use it on the 2018 and 2020 iPad Pros." I liked that. Immediately, I thought,

01:13:20 ◼   ► that's a good sign. That's a company that's willing to listen. And I understand, and also

01:13:26 ◼   ► right away, I felt optimistic because of the removal of the external display support, which

01:13:33 ◼   ► has been frankly unusable, right? And I wrote about this in July. I have been extremely skeptical

01:13:41 ◼   ► of all these folks who have done videos on YouTube showing "Hey, Stage Manager is perfect on my

01:13:47 ◼   ► my external display where they're basically showing like a static screen for 20 minutes.

01:13:53 ◼   ► Like yeah, if you leave an app running on an external display and you don't touch it

01:13:58 ◼   ► and you don't move anything, it's not going to crash. But the moment you try to work with

01:14:02 ◼   ► it, oh, it's going to crash. So those videos were funny. And so immediately I felt happy

01:14:09 ◼   ► see a company willing to compromise and optimistic about, you know, maybe this is the time they're

01:14:19 ◼   ► figuring this out. So I installed the beta and, you know, I thought, okay, maybe there's

01:14:28 ◼   ► going to be more fixes, there's going to be more, you know, improvements on this front,

01:14:33 ◼   ► things are maybe pointing in the right direction. I started using it for the first 30 minutes

01:14:39 ◼   ► or 40 minutes or something, totally fine, totally okay. No crashes, no problems.

01:14:47 ◼   ► And when I say problems, I mean of the technical nature. We can get into the problems of the design

01:14:54 ◼   ► nature later. I mean, strictly, technically speaking, no problems, no crashes, no weird black

01:15:02 ◼   ► bars, nothing. And so, okay, I'm thinking, this is great, this is nice. Apple is listening,

01:15:09 ◼   ► they are changing their minds on this, the thing is not crashing for me. Maybe this is the beginning

01:15:15 ◼   ► of an improvement, you know, maybe they are turning the ship around. I figured, you know,

01:15:23 ◼   ► as maybe finally I tweeted this, maybe finally I can sit down and write this iPadOS 16 review,

01:15:32 ◼   ► write about Stage Manager. And the moment I started using it for real "real work,"

01:15:39 ◼   ► that's where the problems reappeared again. And once again I felt like in the span of just a few

01:15:48 ◼   ► hours... This is like leaving the worst nerd version of Groundhog Day ever. Like, in just a

01:15:58 ◼   ► matter of hours, I was right there where I started. Meaning I click an icon in the

01:16:04 ◼   ► dock and my iPad reboots. Or I click a link to open a web page in Safari and my

01:16:12 ◼   ► iPad reboots. And so I was like, "Okay, here we go again. It's crashing every few

01:16:17 ◼   ► minutes." And I try to use drag and drop to drag in a window because they still

01:16:24 ◼   ► don't have a proper shift-click behavior to add an app from the dock to your current workspace,

01:16:32 ◼   ► so I'm using drag and drop. I use drag and drop and instead of seeing my app, I see a

01:16:37 ◼   ► black rectangle. Like, "Okay, here it goes again, this bug as well." So I'm like, "Okay,

01:16:44 ◼   ► here we go, the whole team is here. The crashing, the black box, everything is here once again."

01:16:50 ◼   ► But then a new enemy appeared, so to speak. That enemy being the trackpad. Or, you know,

01:17:00 ◼   ► the fact that when you switch, when you move between windows, and I'm struggling to describe

01:17:07 ◼   ► this, because this is like the weirdest bug ever for a windowing system, you were expecting

01:17:14 ◼   ► a windowing system to, well, take the pointer from one window to another, right? So you

01:17:21 ◼   ► click on Safari, you interact with Safari. Notes is floating right next to Safari, you

01:17:28 ◼   ► click on Notes, you work with Notes. That's exactly what people do with their computers.

01:17:32 ◼   ► It's the point of a windowing system.

01:17:34 ◼   ► It's the whole point of it. Like, you move the cursor, you click on Windows, you work

01:17:39 ◼   ► with those windows.

01:17:40 ◼   ► In the latest version of Hyper S16, I'm getting there, but I need to set the proverbial stage

01:17:47 ◼   ► for this.

01:17:48 ◼   ► I know, right?

01:17:52 ◼   ► I am good with words.

01:17:54 ◼   ► Yes.

01:17:55 ◼   ► In the latest version of Hyper S16, I noticed that when I moved the pointer from one window

01:18:03 ◼   ► to another, in the other window, my clicks would not get recognized.

01:18:09 ◼   ► I would click to the new window. So you're in Safari, you move to Notes. Let's say I have

01:18:13 ◼   ► Safari and Notes. I move to Notes, I start clicking around and the clicks do nothing.

01:18:17 ◼   ► And initially I thought, well, something is wrong with my Magic Keyboard. So I do one of those things

01:18:23 ◼   ► that, you know, folks do often like, let me detach and reattach my Magic Keyboard because maybe

01:18:30 ◼   ► something got stuck. And nothing. I'm moving between windows and when I move again I click and

01:18:35 ◼   ► the other window does not respond to my clicks.

01:18:37 ◼   ► And so I'm like, well, let me reboot my iPad.

01:18:42 ◼   ► So I shut it down and I power it on again,

01:18:45 ◼   ► open Stage Manager, two windows, move between them,

01:18:49 ◼   ► the clicks go nowhere.

01:18:50 ◼   ► Until I realize that those,

01:18:55 ◼   ► there's this bug in this version of Stage Manager,

01:18:59 ◼   ► which is now in public beta as of an hour ago,

01:19:01 ◼   ► so everybody can go in and test it.

01:19:03 ◼   ► Oh, good, good.

01:19:05 ◼   ► Yeah, go there.

01:19:06 ◼   ► Fantastic.

01:19:06 ◼   ► Clicks get the trackpad.

01:19:11 ◼   ► So this only happens with the trackpad or, you know, the

01:19:15 ◼   ► accessory that Apple sells you with an iPad Pro.

01:19:17 ◼   ► Clicks get stuck when you move between windows.

01:19:22 ◼   ► If you want to get it unstuck, you need to click the edges of a

01:19:29 ◼   ► window or the three dot multitasking menu at the top of a window. Doing that will unstuck

01:19:38 ◼   ► the window so your clicks will work again. So effectively interacting with either the

01:19:44 ◼   ► resizing system in some way. Yes. And does this happen 100% of the time for you? 100%

01:19:55 ◼   ► of the time. And so I thought it was so wild, I couldn't believe it. Like, I couldn't believe

01:20:00 ◼   ► that they would ship a bug so bad that it would happen, right? I thought something was

01:20:07 ◼   ► wrong on my end. So, out of sheer precaution, and just to make sure that I would have a

01:20:13 ◼   ► proper response to the people, to the, you know, the reply guys on Twitter, would say,

01:20:19 ◼   ► but it's your iPad. Recently someone told me that the problems I have with stage manager

01:20:27 ◼   ► are due to the fact that my iPad is overloaded. Someone told me that.

01:20:32 ◼   ► Steven used to cyberbully me with this, telling me to restore my phone. This was a thing.

01:20:38 ◼   ► Yeah, so because I remember, because I know that I can get behind that argument,

01:20:43 ◼   ► I've been using this iPad Pro for a bunch of weird things. Insert base64 joke here.

01:20:49 ◼   ► I've been running a bunch of betas. It's a fair argument. So I wiped my iPad Pro.

01:20:57 ◼   ► Not even the "erase all contents and settings". I'm talking DFU mode.

01:21:01 ◼   ► Alright? Straight up DFU mode. Downloaded the software image from the Apple Developer website.

01:21:09 ◼   ► restored my iPad Pro without a backup.

01:21:12 ◼   ► Nothing, nothing.

01:21:14 ◼   ► Fresh iPad Pro.

01:21:16 ◼   ► I go in, enable stage manager, open two windows,

01:21:20 ◼   ► click between them, my clicks got stuck.

01:21:23 ◼   ► So that's when I gave up.

01:21:27 ◼   ► Yeah, that's the moment when I was like,

01:21:30 ◼   ► I'm giving up here, I'm done.

01:21:31 ◼   ► Like.

01:21:33 ◼   ► - I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say,

01:21:35 ◼   ► I think we are in the worst timeline for stage manager.

01:21:38 ◼   ► Apple prioritised the wrong thing and I was worried they would do this and they've done it.

01:21:44 ◼   ► In my opinion, they have wasted the last two to three months doing the work to make sure that this will be enabled on the older iPad Pros

01:21:57 ◼   ► and not getting it to a stage where it is reliable on the M1 iPad Pros.

01:22:04 ◼   ► I feel like what they should have done is made this statement but said it will come in 2023 for other iPad Pros

01:22:13 ◼   ► and spend this time making Stage Manager not even just better.

01:22:20 ◼   ► We've been talking about a lot of "better" but it's clearly, as Federico is running into untold problems, right?

01:22:27 ◼   ► I feel like they've prioritised the wrong thing.

01:22:32 ◼   ► I know that Federico you are happy about the fact that they listen to the community

01:22:36 ◼   ► I was away on the episode where you guys spoke about this and it was a great episode

01:22:41 ◼   ► But at that time I would have said no

01:22:43 ◼   ► They have to like that you did they did not need to ship stage manager

01:22:50 ◼   ► At the same time on all devices if they had to do it all I know why it annoys people

01:22:56 ◼   ► I get it, right? Like, you want to be able to use this feature on this device which otherwise runs fine.

01:23:02 ◼   ► But like, this happens all the time, right? Like this is just the way that technology moves.

01:23:09 ◼   ► And you can ask for it and if they give you it, they give you it.

01:23:12 ◼   ► But now they have, I think, made the wrong decision because I think they have clearly spent a lot of time working on this

01:23:19 ◼   ► because this is the first we've heard about this, right?

01:23:23 ◼   ► like all of a sudden now like three months after an initial release three months after the outrage

01:23:31 ◼   ► where apple said time and time again why they couldn't do this they've now said loljk we've

01:23:39 ◼   ► done it right so it feels like they have had to obviously put a lot of work into making a version

01:23:45 ◼   ► of this that can run on their other hardware even in a somewhat limited space but i think for most

01:23:51 ◼   ► people they don't actually really want the external display support anyway like

01:23:56 ◼   ► I think stage manager is at its best just like being a windowing system on the

01:24:00 ◼   ► iPad I think like that is what it should focus on most and then the external

01:24:05 ◼   ► display support is like nice if you have it nice if you want to use it etc etc

01:24:08 ◼   ► but like that is really I think like stage manager is already a thin side of

01:24:13 ◼   ► the wedge like external display support for your iPad is an even thinner wedge

01:24:17 ◼   ► right like we're just like really going on like percentage of percentage of

01:24:21 ◼   ► people at that point. But if we've gotten to this point and I mean we are anywhere between

01:24:29 ◼   ► two to four weeks in theory of this thing shipping on an ideal timeline, right? It just

01:24:36 ◼   ► doesn't seem like it is in any kind of state because you see there are new bugs and they

01:24:44 ◼   ► haven't addressed any of the things that you want to make the thing better.

01:24:47 ◼   ► Yeah, yeah. Yes. So what this isn't like is like Safari, right? I think a lot of people

01:24:53 ◼   ► are going to compare this to Safari and people are going to say, oh, they changed Safari,

01:24:59 ◼   ► right? But they changed Safari in good ways and made Safari from bad to good, where all

01:25:05 ◼   ► they've done like for this one is just they've just made it available more devices, but it's

01:25:09 ◼   ► still got all the problems it had.

01:25:11 ◼   ► Potentially widening the user base of folks who are going to run into problems.

01:25:16 ◼   ► Yeah, yeah. More people, more people get the bugs.

01:25:19 ◼   ► Yeah, there's more people that will be upset.

01:25:22 ◼   ► And with Safari, it took a couple of betas, but then we saw pretty good progress.

01:25:28 ◼   ► Exactly, exactly. So that's where I wanted to go.

01:25:32 ◼   ► So Myke, you said that I was happy about, you know, having be extended to more users.

01:25:38 ◼   ► And, and yes, initially I was, but then this morning, you know, after sleeping on this,

01:25:44 ◼   ► I was thinking like, I'm happy that they listened.

01:25:47 ◼   ► But then I went back in and checked.

01:25:50 ◼   ► We talked about this stuff on June 15th,

01:25:54 ◼   ► three more than three months ago, three and a half months ago.

01:26:00 ◼   ► And we're seeing this change now.

01:26:04 ◼   ► And so that, first of all, says a few things about how slow moving this ship really is.

01:26:11 ◼   ► Right?

01:26:12 ◼   ► I mean, we are seeing now addressing feedback from three and a half months ago.

01:26:20 ◼   ► I'm not sure how I feel about that.

01:26:26 ◼   ► But even then, like, they have removed half of Sage Manager, right?

01:26:33 ◼   ► And now I'm wondering, like, who's happy now?

01:26:41 ◼   ► Because people like me, we wanted stability, we wanted a bit more configuration options,

01:26:49 ◼   ► like a bit more flexibility from Stage Manager and polish, and we didn't get that.

01:26:55 ◼   ► Other folks wanted external display support, and I know, I have seen some Mac Stories readers

01:27:01 ◼   ► tell me, "I upgraded my old iPad Pro to the M1 because of Stage Manager, and now it's

01:27:08 ◼   ► useless."

01:27:09 ◼   ► are not happy and because it's been three and a half months right it's been a it's been people

01:27:15 ◼   ► make decisions in three and a half months it's been it's a long time in in this day and age

01:27:21 ◼   ► i would say like i know what you're saying about like the the length of time it takes

01:27:25 ◼   ► the ship for the ship to turn and i understand what you're saying that if like if they make a

01:27:29 ◼   ► decision how long it takes to act on it the one thing i would add to that is we don't really know

01:27:34 ◼   ► just how truly big or smaller job it was to actually even get this to a point where they

01:27:39 ◼   ► were willing to say they were going to do it. Exactly. It may have taken like completely

01:27:44 ◼   ► redoing the thing. Exactly. So this is this is my problem a lot because like we've been

01:27:49 ◼   ► talking about this and the reason I keep talking about it is that obviously I really want to

01:27:55 ◼   ► use this. If this was something that I didn't care about I wouldn't talk about it. Like

01:28:02 ◼   ► Apple News. I mean, no offense to who works on Apple News, but I personally don't use the product.

01:28:08 ◼   ► I don't have a lot of emotions and feelings about it. I really want to use Stage Manager.

01:28:13 ◼   ► And I can tell you... It's made for you. Maybe, right? But I feel like... I cannot imagine

01:28:21 ◼   ► how much time and effort and, like, people working overtime has gone into making this possible,

01:28:28 ◼   ► where this continues to be a product that, when you use your trackpad, it doesn't accept your clicks.

01:28:38 ◼   ► Like, all the time and effort for this, and you look at what this actually is, and you start to

01:28:46 ◼   ► wonder, was it worth it? And to me, this is like such a perfect example of the fallacy of sunk cost.

01:28:55 ◼   ► this economic principle where you're basically invested so much into a thing that you don't

01:29:01 ◼   ► want to give it up, whereas the more sage advice would be to cut your losses. And Apple is not doing

01:29:08 ◼   ► that. They are continuing to insist on "No, we are doing stage manager," even though you start

01:29:15 ◼   ► picking off the things. "Okay, so now we said we wouldn't do it on more iPads. We are doing it on

01:29:21 ◼   ► or more iPads, but it's not ready yet, okay, so we are going to delay it.

01:29:27 ◼   ► It's still not working well. What if we cut the external display support? At what point

01:29:32 ◼   ► do you end up with something that doesn't even resemble what stage manager was supposed

01:29:36 ◼   ► to be? Like, I think Apple needs to take a long breath here, and be like, "Okay, seriously,

01:29:46 ◼   ► Do we absolutely need to ship this by October?

01:29:51 ◼   ► Like, is it absolutely necessary?

01:29:54 ◼   ► Because I continue to ask the question

01:29:56 ◼   ► that I asked last week and two weeks ago.

01:30:00 ◼   ► Who is happy about Stage Manager on iPadOS at the moment?

01:30:04 ◼   ► Like, I want to know.

01:30:06 ◼   ► Who's happy about it?

01:30:08 ◼   ► Is there anyone who loves it?

01:30:11 ◼   ► And I don't understand, because it's--

01:30:14 ◼   ► I continue to look, I'm never gonna be the person

01:30:17 ◼   ► who loses hope and it's like,

01:30:19 ◼   ► I'm gonna stop using the iPad, I quit, I'm done.

01:30:23 ◼   ► It's just not who I am.

01:30:27 ◼   ► So I continue to hope that Apple can figure this out,

01:30:34 ◼   ► but then that continuing to hope is just not backed up

01:30:43 ◼   ► by reality at the moment.

01:30:45 ◼   ► Because as time goes on, week after week,

01:30:48 ◼   ► each week is more problematic than before.

01:30:51 ◼   ► I mean, let's face it.

01:30:52 ◼   ► Each week it gets worse.

01:30:54 ◼   ► And I'm not saying this to be an Apple hater,

01:30:58 ◼   ► or like, I want to use this thing.

01:31:01 ◼   ► Like, I want to work with it.

01:31:03 ◼   ► I want to use it.

01:31:04 ◼   ► I want to write about it.

01:31:06 ◼   ► Because when it worked, it was cool to have three, four apps

01:31:11 ◼   ► at the same time.

01:31:12 ◼   ► But let's face it, each week it gets worse.

01:31:15 ◼   ► How do we get out of this hole?

01:31:17 ◼   ► And I said two weeks ago, and I said it last week again,

01:31:20 ◼   ► they're only digging a deeper hole each week,

01:31:24 ◼   ► and that continues to be more true every single week.

01:31:28 ◼   ► It gets worse on a weekly basis.

01:31:31 ◼   ► And it's not like it gets worse, but you can see,

01:31:35 ◼   ► oh, but they're doing this to make it better.

01:31:37 ◼   ► No, they're cutting off things,

01:31:40 ◼   ► and it continues to get worse.

01:31:42 ◼   ► And that's not to mention all the things

01:31:47 ◼   ► that stage manager does not have,

01:31:50 ◼   ► or does not do by design.

01:31:52 ◼   ► Like, we haven't even touched upon

01:31:56 ◼   ► the design of stage manager.

01:31:58 ◼   ► That's a whole different thing.

01:32:00 ◼   ► I'm talking about this product that Apple gave to us.

01:32:03 ◼   ► We're looking at it as it is, you know?

01:32:07 ◼   ► Just look at what this is,

01:32:10 ◼   ► because we could talk about design of stage manager,

01:32:13 ◼   ► how I would like to see different decisions being made.

01:32:18 ◼   ► There's a conversation to be had about,

01:32:20 ◼   ► do we really need overlapping windows on an iPad

01:32:25 ◼   ► as opposed to a tiling mechanism?

01:32:28 ◼   ► But that's a different conversation.

01:32:31 ◼   ► Let's just talk about the product, right?

01:32:34 ◼   ► And it's just not there.

01:32:36 ◼   ► Not for people like me,

01:32:38 ◼   ► not for folks who wanted external display support

01:32:40 ◼   ► at this point.

01:32:41 ◼   ► So who is it for?

01:32:44 ◼   ► And can it find a market

01:32:48 ◼   ► within two weeks, three weeks?

01:32:52 ◼   ► - I also find it interesting,

01:32:54 ◼   ► like Apple knows what build is gonna go out as a beta, right?

01:32:59 ◼   ► It's not a surprise and like,

01:33:00 ◼   ► oh, that's what people are running.

01:33:03 ◼   ► And the current version being so like,

01:33:05 ◼   ► in some ways maybe the most broken version

01:33:08 ◼   ► we've had in a while.

01:33:10 ◼   ► I just, so much about it makes me scratch my head

01:33:13 ◼   ► about what's going on with this feature.

01:33:15 ◼   ► And is it something inherently broken?

01:33:19 ◼   ► Like that in the way that this is being built

01:33:22 ◼   ► that they can't quickly fix it, right?

01:33:24 ◼   ► Is there some sort of technical or technical debt

01:33:27 ◼   ► or some sort of legacy, something or other

01:33:29 ◼   ► that is holding them back?

01:33:31 ◼   ► Because it's not like the people working on this

01:33:32 ◼   ► aren't some of the smartest software engineers in the world,

01:33:36 ◼   ► but they seem to really be struggling

01:33:38 ◼   ► to get this even close to where it needs to be.

01:33:41 ◼   ► - Yeah, yeah, and I know for a fact

01:33:46 ◼   ► that there are a lot of really, really,

01:33:48 ◼   ► like really smart people working on this stuff

01:33:51 ◼   ► who listen to Connected, who listen to Upgrade,

01:33:54 ◼   ► who follow our work and listen to our opinions.

01:33:59 ◼   ► And obviously we, from here in front of our microphones,

01:34:04 ◼   ► we have no idea what it's like to work on this stuff, right?

01:34:08 ◼   ► We have no idea about timelines, deadlines,

01:34:10 ◼   ► product managers.

01:34:12 ◼   ► These folks are optimizing this stuff for future hardware.

01:34:15 ◼   ► We have no idea about the future hardware,

01:34:18 ◼   ► but we are customers and we use the product

01:34:23 ◼   ► that is given to us.

01:34:26 ◼   ► And I think maybe Apple doesn't like it

01:34:30 ◼   ► when their stuff is criticized.

01:34:33 ◼   ► I mean, nobody likes a critic, right?

01:34:35 ◼   ► Especially when you're the one making the product.

01:34:39 ◼   ► But critics are necessary.

01:34:42 ◼   ► Because in this case, I think that ultimately,

01:34:46 ◼   ► Apple will be happy to have a better product, right?

01:34:51 ◼   ► - Yeah.

01:34:53 ◼   ► - That's why we talk about this stuff.

01:34:56 ◼   ► Because--

01:34:57 ◼   ► I mean, if they hated critics that much,

01:34:58 ◼   ► they wouldn't have enabled it for third and fourth gen.

01:35:00 ◼   ► Exactly.

01:35:01 ◼   ► Like--

01:35:01 ◼   ► iPads.

01:35:02 ◼   ► It's the only reason they did it was because people were upset

01:35:04 ◼   ► about it.

01:35:05 ◼   ► And to be fair, they do listen.

01:35:07 ◼   ► They ask questions.

01:35:09 ◼   ► They have been more proactive in reaching out

01:35:12 ◼   ► to the press and the community over the past few years.

01:35:17 ◼   ► It's a very different apple from that point of view

01:35:20 ◼   ► from, say, 10 years ago, 13 years ago,

01:35:22 ◼   ► when I started Mac Stories.

01:35:24 ◼   ► And they really want to have a conversation about this stuff,

01:35:27 ◼   ► which is great.

01:35:28 ◼   ► But then look at the results.

01:35:31 ◼   ► If they're not there, I'm sorry, but they're not there.

01:35:35 ◼   ► And this is where we are.

01:35:37 ◼   ► I mean, look, we can only comment

01:35:39 ◼   ► on what we can comment on, right?

01:35:41 ◼   ► And what we can comment on is what we can see.

01:35:44 ◼   ► And what we can see is that this thing is not

01:35:47 ◼   ► good enough right now.

01:35:49 ◼   ► Who knows what the next month might bring?

01:35:52 ◼   ► There might be like, all right, look,

01:35:53 ◼   ► we got all these fixes, but we had to get this version out first and then we can.

01:35:58 ◼   ► I'm like, great. Nobody wants to be like, not necessarily proven wrong, but nobody wants

01:36:03 ◼   ► to have to walk all this back and say like, hey, they fixed it more than us three. Right?

01:36:08 ◼   ► Because we just want this to be good. I'll tell you right now, like I think people might

01:36:11 ◼   ► listen to somebody's shows sometimes and think, oh, these guys just love to complain. I much

01:36:15 ◼   ► prefer to be happy. I'll tell you right now, I much prefer to sit here and say to you how

01:36:20 ◼   ► how much I love something, because I am an enthusiastic person, it's what I draw pleasure

01:36:25 ◼   ► in. But if we take our job seriously, of like we talk about these things sometimes, it needs

01:36:33 ◼   ► to be saying this isn't good enough. And like to echo what Federico was saying, I'm sure

01:36:37 ◼   ► there are people who listen to this show, there might be people who listen to this show

01:36:40 ◼   ► right now who work on this project, and my expectation is, well you know though right?

01:36:48 ◼   ► don't want this to be doing what Federico is describing it's doing.

01:36:52 ◼   ► No, surely not.

01:36:53 ◼   ► So like, I don't feel like bad that we talk about this. I'm sure it like, if you welcome

01:37:01 ◼   ► it it's frustrating to you, but we're not the ones making the frustration, like it's

01:37:05 ◼   ► doing the same.

01:37:06 ◼   ► Like, yeah, well like we're not making this up. Like, and I tried all the potential ways

01:37:14 ◼   ► that I had to make this work for me.

01:37:17 ◼   ► And it's not.

01:37:19 ◼   ► - But I think that there is a management error

01:37:21 ◼   ► that has been made in the development of Stage Manager

01:37:25 ◼   ► during the beta process.

01:37:26 ◼   ► - Probably.

01:37:27 ◼   ► - And so I feel, honestly feel for some of the engineers

01:37:30 ◼   ► 'cause I'm sure that they have had

01:37:33 ◼   ► their development focus changed.

01:37:36 ◼   ► And I think that it was the wrong decision

01:37:40 ◼   ► unless, unless, a bunch of stuff starts coming out

01:37:44 ◼   ► in the next couple of weeks.

01:37:46 ◼   ► - Look, and I'm still hoping, right?

01:37:48 ◼   ► Still maybe the next one.

01:37:50 ◼   ► Maybe we'll get it this time.

01:37:52 ◼   ► But the one final thing I wanna say

01:37:57 ◼   ► is that at the moment I feel,

01:37:59 ◼   ► I gotta be honest with you guys and with the listeners.

01:38:03 ◼   ► I honestly feel like all this kind of iPad energy

01:38:08 ◼   ► has been sucked out of me.

01:38:11 ◼   ► Like I, I feel exhausted for this stuff.

01:38:16 ◼   ► And I, I, I'm again in the spirit of honesty,

01:38:21 ◼   ► I have no plan for my iPad or S16 review at the moment.

01:38:25 ◼   ► Like I, I'm, I've been waiting for like, oh,

01:38:29 ◼   ► surely this afternoon inspiration will strike and I'll, you know,

01:38:34 ◼   ► start writing. I'm not saying that I have writer's block because I don't,

01:38:38 ◼   ► Because I just wrote something on Mac Stories today, I've been writing for weekly.

01:38:43 ◼   ► I just, above this specifically, I don't know what I think because I feel like I haven't been put

01:38:51 ◼   ► in a position to think and to understand, to form an opinion, right? So I've been trying to

01:39:01 ◼   ► distract myself, I guess.

01:39:03 ◼   ► Testing apps, writing about shortcuts.

01:39:09 ◼   ► I'm gonna have a notes-themed week on MacStories.

01:39:14 ◼   ► I wrote about notes on MacStories today.

01:39:16 ◼   ► I'm gonna write about notes in the monthly log.

01:39:18 ◼   ► I'm gonna write about notes in MacStories weekly.

01:39:21 ◼   ► I've been trying to do other things.

01:39:22 ◼   ► I've been playing Cyberpunk on my gaming PC.

01:39:25 ◼   ► I have no idea.

01:39:27 ◼   ► Honestly, I have no idea what I'm gonna do

01:39:29 ◼   ► with this iPad OS review,

01:39:30 ◼   ► because I feel like there's one big feature

01:39:32 ◼   ► and I could write about it now,

01:39:36 ◼   ► but what are the odds that what I write

01:39:39 ◼   ► will be completely different in two weeks?

01:39:41 ◼   ► Will it be worth it?

01:39:43 ◼   ► How can I pre-write something that is

01:39:46 ◼   ► on such a shaky foundation on a weekly basis?

01:39:51 ◼   ► - I don't think you can write about it until,

01:39:54 ◼   ► I don't think you should even start.

01:39:56 ◼   ► Like, I think you should wait for another couple of weeks.

01:39:59 ◼   ► you see if it changes, if it doesn't, I mean, what's the...

01:40:04 ◼   ► - But then if I'm late, everybody's gonna be like,

01:40:06 ◼   ► "Oh, where's your review, iPad guy?"

01:40:08 ◼   ► - Well, I don't think there's anything you can do.

01:40:13 ◼   ► - Yeah, well.

01:40:13 ◼   ► - I feel like it's pointless to start writing it now, right?

01:40:19 ◼   ► Because anything can happen in the next few weeks,

01:40:21 ◼   ► you have to start all over again.

01:40:22 ◼   ► - But like, imagine if I started writing this

01:40:24 ◼   ► and I wrote about external displacement,

01:40:26 ◼   ► Like, imagine all the work that it would have deleted.

01:40:31 ◼   ► Oh my gosh.

01:40:32 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:40:33 ◼   ► - Yeah, I think that there's still too much instability

01:40:36 ◼   ► for you to even begin.

01:40:37 ◼   ► And so maybe it just comes late

01:40:39 ◼   ► and it just comes late and that's it.

01:40:40 ◼   ► - Maybe it's what it is.

01:40:41 ◼   ► - Like basically what happened with iOS 15.

01:40:44 ◼   ► - 14, yeah, 14 I think it was.

01:40:46 ◼   ► - 14, it just comes when it comes, you know?

01:40:48 ◼   ► - Yeah, well, yeah.

01:40:51 ◼   ► I think that's what I gotta do.

01:40:56 ◼   ► Because I feel like it would be pretty dishonest, actually,

01:40:59 ◼   ► to have a review of Stage Manager,

01:41:02 ◼   ► and I've only used it for two days.

01:41:04 ◼   ► I mean, you can go look for that kind of content elsewhere.

01:41:07 ◼   ► I'm sure there will be plenty of hands-on

01:41:09 ◼   ► and things like that.

01:41:10 ◼   ► It's not what I like to do, personally.

01:41:14 ◼   ► So I'm waiting for, like,

01:41:18 ◼   ► I feel like the guy waiting there be like,

01:41:20 ◼   ► "Is this my chance? Is this my chance?

01:41:21 ◼   ► Is this my chance now?"

01:41:22 ◼   ► And every week I'm like, "Nope, nope, nope."

01:41:25 ◼   ► So, hey, maybe next Tuesday, right?

01:41:28 ◼   ► Maybe next Tuesday, it'll be better.

01:41:31 ◼   ► I don't know, I don't know.

01:41:34 ◼   ► We'll see.

01:41:36 ◼   ► - In the meantime, if you wanna find links

01:41:38 ◼   ► to stuff we spoke about, head on over to the website,

01:41:40 ◼   ► relay.fm/connected/417.

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01:42:02 ◼   ► Find Federico at maxstories.net

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