423: I Know What a Parrot Is
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From Real FM, this is Connected, episode 423. Today's show is brought to you by our excellent
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sponsors Capital One, and indeed, I'm one of your co-hosts, Federico Vittucci, and it's my absolute
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pleasure, as always every week, to be joined by my friend, Mr. Stephen Hackett. Hello, Stephen.
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Hello, Federico, how are you?
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I am doing fantastic, how are you?
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I am good as well. I got a notification that your calendar had been delivered. Can you verify that?
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I can verify that my doorman got... Oh, I gotta tell you something. For reasons that will make
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sense to people who listen to the pro show for connected pro members, Apple Mail just opened.
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Okay, good. Well done, Apple Mail.
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You may wonder, "Wait, why is Federico telling people that Apple Mail just opened?"
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Well, you know, sign up and find out.
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Where can people sign up, Myke?
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We're doing this right away at the beginning.
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Before I've even been introduced, get connected to pro.co.
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Yes, and then you will get introduced.
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And I am joined by Mr. Myke Hurley.
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Federico, you started a sentence about your doorman,
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but then you didn't finish the sentence.
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Yeah, you never finished.
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Whatever the doorman.
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Yes, so the Dormine got the very nice package that you prepared with my address on it.
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And when I went down to walk the dogs this morning, told me there's a package for you.
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And I was like, thank you, Mario.
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When I come back with the dogs, I'll get the package.
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I came back with the dogs, got the package, went upstairs, and there was the calendar
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and the stickers that you sent me.
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So it looks lovely.
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It's gonna go up in my office soon-ish, as soon as we're done with furniture here.
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And the stickers have already been placed on the Smart Cover, well, Smart Folio, that
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I'm using with the iPad Pro.
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So finally, Drama Free Delivery, I believe we called it on iMessage today.
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And it's one of the many perks of having Mario downstairs, taking care of all kinds of packages
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and envelopes for me. What other perks are there for Mario? Well, there's plenty. Like
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all sorts of like gossip, right? Getting to know. Yeah, yeah. It's a big thing now to
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like gossip about other people here. Like we are realizing there's a lot of like inside
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drama, you know, with some of these people. Like for example, today we just find out,
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I'm going to tell you guys something. So we just found out there's a, what's the name
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of that popular service for like commenting on your neighborhood next door, next door,
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next door. So we found out that we have like our, like our private version of next door
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for the building. Uh, while it's two buildings, one in front of the other and we have like
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our private, like mini social network thing where people can post messages and complain
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about stuff and we got access today and immediately we saw a lady complaining about some people
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throwing parrot poop onto our balcony?
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Apparently there's someone who is just throwing out of the window, I suppose, the things that
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parrots, you know, the birds, like the parrots, like the colored...
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Yeah, no, no, no, I know what a parrot is.
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throwing the parrot poop and seeds out of the window onto this lady's balcony. And so
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this lady, as soon as she got access to this portal today, like it literally opened two
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hours ago, and she's already, there's already this parrot drama happening, which is super
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exciting for me because like, one, if I was that person, that is the first thing I would
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complain about upon getting access to this app, right? Is like this person keeps throwing
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parrot poop on my balcony, which is just a weird, like what, what is this person doing?
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Why are they throwing it out the window? What is wrong with them? Exactly. Like, and the
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seeds, like obviously I want to immediately find out who has, apparently the way the message
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was phrased multiple parrots. So like I want to... How does she know this though? Exactly
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like and the way the way she posted this it was like super passive-aggressive like I'm
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not gonna name names but whoever has parrots I mean how many people are gonna have parrots?
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I mean you don't need to name names dude you've given away a pretty big clue at that point.
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It's the guy in the building dressed like a pirate it's that guy. Oh you mean pirate
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gym yeah so like for example so Mario as I was saying is useful for this kind of
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gossip and just you know general bureaucracy stuff like you know
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because it's still like these buildings are not fully finished yet some
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apartments are already like they're still being worked on we were one of the
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first families to enter the building this summer now of course after
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September after the summer vacations basically plenty of people have joined
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but like it was useful like hey I like Mario can you find one of the plumber
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guys and and you know send one of them upstairs because I have like a leak or
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something or can you get me like a plumber's are let me call my brother
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he's a plumber. He dresses in green. I'm just saying more than a doorman is like
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some kind of manager which is incredibly useful. He's a powerful individual.
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Let's do some follow-up. How does that sound? Well did we introduce everybody?
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Everybody got introduced? I think so. We're all been introduced, yes. Okay, that's good.
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We've been intro'd. Okay, well speaking of packages that Mario helps you get your
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hands on, I believe you got a slightly bigger box than my calendar. Recently you
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you want to tell us about that? Well, in fact, this morning, as I walked downstairs, the
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full conversation was, I have a, you know, this smaller package for you, but then when
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you come back, I think you should go upstairs first to leave the dogs, then come back because
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these other packages, these other boxes like pretty big and you want to make sure that
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you can carry it without also, you know, having your dogs on a leash. So considerate. Yeah,
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He's looking out for you.
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He's very considerate.
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Yeah, he is.
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Looking out, Mario.
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And I got this big box and I can tell you that right now I am looking at a beautiful
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Apple Studio display on my desk.
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Now it literally is on my desk because...
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So we did a lot of research with Sylvia and like we're trying to imagine, okay, what kind
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of desk do you want?
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you want this office to look like. We went with the VESA mount option. I am going to
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mount this to a wall, to the wall in front of me right now. But we're still torn between
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two options on Amazon. We're gonna buy one tonight. But in the meantime, I mean, the
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display arrived, so I figured, you know, I'm just gonna very carefully place it on my desk
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can, you know, and obviously it's like touching the wall right now at a slight angle so it
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doesn't tip over. Otherwise we're going to mount it to a wall. We're going to get one
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of those like extendable arms that lets you do like, you know, tilt it and move it around.
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I believe it also supports rotation. So if the arm is long enough, like I could realistically
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like extend it to the side of the desk and then flip it to portrait mode, which is something
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that the studio display can do it actually the text rotation which it's
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not something that I think I'm gonna do all the time but it's cool to have the
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option I suppose. So you can watch your YouTube shorts and stuff? Exactly like
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full screen portrait mode YouTube shorts you know take like a scroll 70 tweets
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all at once like that kind of stuff. Yeah I mean why not you know just I'm just
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just gonna be like a Bloomberg terminal, but just for my tweets. And yeah, I mean, it looks
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fantastic. It's got that nice clean design that I was hoping it would have. I mean, I
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did go to the Apple Store to check it out beforehand to make sure, hey, am I convinced
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that this is the thing I'm buying? And I checked it out at the Apple Store. It looked amazing.
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I was like, yep, I want this. It's glorious because I'm literally just running a single
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cable, a single Thunderbolt cable, and I can place my iPad Pro, or in this case the Macbook
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Pro, I can just swap the computer and I can use it regardless because of Stage Manager,
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which is not great, but it kind of works. And of course on Mac OS it's much better.
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The only, I mean besides the missing wall mount, which should be here later this week
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I hope. So I will again very carefully drill two holes into the wall, or four, depending
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on how many are required, and I'll get that done.
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But the only thing...
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That's fine. That's where the rotation comes in. The whole thing just falls off the wall.
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The one thing I'm struggling with right now, which is why I tweeted it this afternoon,
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switching with the... I have a Bluetooth Magic Keyboard. Like, I have an external Magic Keyboard
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and a Magic trackpad. The new ones with the trackpad that is slightly more rounded than
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before and the Magic keyboard that has Touch ID. It sucks that if I want to use them wirelessly,
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it's not that easy at all to switch them between a MacBook and an iPad. They don't support
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multi-device pairing, so each time you've got to disconnect one device, put the accessory
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in pairing mode and pair it again with the second device, which is not something I'm
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gonna do. Or I could do what my friend Chris Lawley is doing, like get dedicated pairs
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of keyboard and trackpad, one for the MacBook, one for the iPad, which is like... I mean,
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I have a spare Magic Keyboard and a spare Magic Trackpad, the older ones, but I don't
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really want to do that either. So for now I'm using them in wired mode. They are wired
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into the studio display, which is also serving as a hub, I guess. And then, depending on
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the computer I plug in, they pair with that computer. Which works. It's not ideal. I would
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have preferred a wire-free look on the desk, but I'm open to suggestions. And no, I don't
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want to use other pointing devices because they're not as accurate or fast
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or reliable as the Magic Trackpad, but I don't think I have other options.
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All I was gonna suggest is if you like to make it because wired I think is your
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only real option here if you wired them into a dock it might be tidier and you
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could still go one cable from the display to the dock because especially
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if you're on the VESA arm you don't want to be moving the arm around if it's got
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tons of cables attached to it like you would drag in the keyboard along the desk when you
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go into portrait mode. So I would recommend using a dock of some kind, a Thunderbolt dock,
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and then just having one cable to the dock and then the wires going into the dock for
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the keyboard and mouse.
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What is a good Thunderbolt dock for the studio display?
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I like the OWC one.
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That one's good.
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Give me the best dock. What is the absolute best dock?
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Okay, I'm looking for the link because we talked about it on another show.
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Is it the CalDigit thing?
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Yes, the little one though.
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Not like the TS4, but...
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The little one?
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Yeah, they have one...
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I like that it's little.
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Thunderbolt 4 Element Hub.
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That's what you want.
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I'll send you a link right now.
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All I'm going to say is I had a lot of problems with the TS3 and I have no problems with the
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the OWC dock. Oh, I like this. This looks nice. Delivery on Friday. So, what am I...
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Okay, so, CalDigit Thunderbolt 4 element hub. So, explain this to me. I'm gonna run a Thunderbolt
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cable from the computer that I'm using to the hub. And then, from the hub to the studio
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display another Thunderbolt cable. Yep. That's it? That's it. And then you can plug the keyboard
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and trackpad or anything else into the dock. It has USB-A ports in front? Yeah, but I mean
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it's... No. You got a million USB-A to lightning cables for your stuff. But they're not braided
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like the nice ones I have. Yeah, that's true. There's a lot, I mean you really can't get
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wrong with any of these I don't think, but I've heard good things about the Element Hub.
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Okay, all right. Well, I'll do some research I guess but yeah. Well, I mean you have
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Thunderbolt 4 ports, right? So you could plug the keyboard and mouse into the Thunderbolt port which is
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Overkill. No, I have three USB-C. No, there's three. There's three ports
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I'm looking at their page and it says four times Thunderbolt 4 so I don't know why it says that then
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Yeah, the Amazon picture shows
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Three. Oh, yeah, cuz you got one that goes out to the computer on the side
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Oh is there one on the side? Yeah yeah. Oh oh okay. Who's the Mac power user now?
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Hmm. So there's one because there's always on these hubs you always have like a one dedicated port
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which is labeled as computer. I don't know why but like there's always like you must plug the
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computer into this one and so then you could put the display on one of them and then the keyboard
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and the mouse on the other two.
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It's overkill to be plugging a magic keyboard
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into a Thunderbolt 4 port, but it will do the job.
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Oh, wow, they also have a 500 euro dock
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called the CalDigit TS4.
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Yeah, that has--
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Oh, is this the one that Casey likes?
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It's this one, right?
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I think so, and it's got like SD and ethernet,
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and it has a bunch of other stuff
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that you probably don't need.
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I mean, I do... Internet would be cool.
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But it does have a couple of USB-C ports on the front, so...
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It's ugly though, compared to the other one.
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Well, it's very industrial.
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We'll call it that.
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What's the difference between...
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It would fit with some of your audio gear though, I think, visually.
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With all the ridges.
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Yeah, that's right.
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Lots of ridges.
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Heat fins, baby!
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Look at this, look at this.
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Ethernet. How many Thunderbolt? Oh, USB-C data.
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Audio in and out. I mean, it has all sorts of stuff.
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What's the difference between a,
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between a CalDigit TS4 and a CalDigit TS3?
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Do I care about that difference?
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Yeah, I think it's Thunderbolt 3 versus Thunderbolt 4,
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which I think in practice doesn't matter for what you're doing.
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I'm not gonna do like, uh, you know,
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I'm not going to transfer video projects between computers.
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40 gigabits a second, right?
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No, because I mean, it's like a...
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Right, but if you ever want to, you know what I mean?
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Now, you know, you're putting yourself into a situation where you can't, so...
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And I mean, the TS4 has an extra Thunderbolt port.
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You guys are bad for me.
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Why am I still doing this show?
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Well, you can spend money on apps, on docs.
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Anyway, I got a studio display.
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It's very cool.
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I will update you on something else that I am researching.
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I got the proper adapters and everything,
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but I still need to test it.
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I think I should be able to use an Apple TV with the studio
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display as well.
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found this company that makes an HDMI to Thunderbolt video adapter.
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And because the idea was like, and also why we're getting the VESA arm,
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this is gonna double as a guest bedroom.
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If we ever happen to have, you know, like my mom or something,
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like someone that needs to sleep here. And the idea was, well,
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what if the studio display, I mean, it's big enough and it looks very nice.
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what if we could double as like an entertainment monitor
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for things like what if you wanna watch something
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on Netflix or YouTube, whatever.
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So I should be able to use that.
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I mean, in that case, I'm not gonna work in the office
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if we have a guest, but that's fine.
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And if we can connect an Apple TV to it,
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they also have like, they can watch a movie or something
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So that requires an adapter though and I still, I have it, it arrived, but I still have not tested it.
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I'll be interested to hear if that works just because I didn't even think that that was a possibility.
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What do you think about the speakers in the studio display?
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From what I heard today, 30 seconds, they sounded really nice with more bass than I was expecting,
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but I have not listened to a song yet. I was just watching a video on Twitter.
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And I was like, oh, this is louder than I thought.
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But yeah, I have not really tested them.
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I like them. I like the studio display speakers quite a lot for video and stuff.
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It's the webcam that is bad, right?
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Yes, for me. Yeah. I mean, it's bad in general, but it's especially bad for me.
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The flickering with the 50Hz.
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Yeah, the flickering.
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Let's see, does it flicker for me? Like, I just open FaceTime.
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You probably don't have that issue. I only have that issue specifically because I have fluorescent overhead lighting in the studio.
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That doesn't happen to me at home.
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It's the fluorescent lighting that it doesn't like specifically for me.
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Alright, well, I'll continue talking about this over the next few weeks as I figure out my new life with a new desk and a display and multiple computers.
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and I guess a Thunderbolt dock.
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So, because you guys made me do this, so.
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I can't wait till you get it all going.
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I have a question for the two of you. I put a link into the show notes, which is a tweet
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from listener Edward, who used a web service that I don't really understand called Tweet
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Hunter to generate some AI tweets from the three of us. Did either of you spend much
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time looking at that?
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You can answer honestly.
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It's pretty wild.
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you I just want to know like did you spend any time reading them today not
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today no it wasn't the other day Federico I I haven't read them at all
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that's really good so it's time for quiz oh no oh my god so you didn't do your
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homework because now look what's happened to you so listen to Edward so
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this is the quizzes welcome back to the quizzes this is the long-running quiz
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show here on Connected where I surprise my co-hosts with random quiz rounds.
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Today we're going to be playing a game of trying to guess who would potentially
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tweet something based on an AI. So I assume what's happened here is that this
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website looks at our tweets and then tries to create new tweets from that
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information. I would say that these are interesting to dubious in the
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effectiveness I am going to read a tweet and I want each of you to take a guess
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as to which one of the three of us this AI believes that this tweet would work
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for does that make sense okay yeah the first tweet I've lost the link oh here
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it is the first tweet what a question I hope iOS 14.2 fixes it shrug emoji
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Steven which one of the three of us said that there are 200 points available for
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each correct answer. The emoji makes me think that it's you so I'm gonna say one
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Myke Hurley. Federico who do you think it was? Can you read it again please? Yep.
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What a question! I hope iOS 14.2 fixes it. Shrug emoji. I think I said it. You would
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be correct. It's 200 points for Federico. That was indeed an expected Federico
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tweet. Tweet number two. I produce a lot of podcasts but I'm really bad at
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remembering to tweet about them so I'm trying out a new service called Tweet
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Deck. It's basically a Twitter client for your desktop. Stephen who said, who is
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believed to have said this? Federico. Okay Federico who do you think said this?
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I produce a lot of podcasts. I produce a lot of podcasts but I'm really bad at
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remembering to tweet about them.
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So I'm trying out a new service called TweetDeck.
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It's basically a Twitter client for your desktop.
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- I think Myke said it.
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- Federico, he's another one, that's correct again.
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Another 200 points to Federico.
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- I should have given,
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I didn't give a score update before we began.
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- It was 500 and, sorry, 5,673 points to Steven.
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4,401 points to Federico,
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which is obviously now 4,601 points to Federico
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as he just scored 400 points in total there so far.
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This could be where you pick up your lead again Federico.
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We'll find out.
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- I feel like we've had point inflation as we've gone on.
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- Yes, yeah, yeah.
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I messed it up.
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I gave some large points to some things
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and I think the two of you scored way better
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in that round than I expected
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and it destroyed the scoring.
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So like at some point,
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there's gonna be like a Thanos-like situation
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and we're gonna start again.
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But like now I have to just give high points for everything.
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So 200 points is what's available.
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The next tweet is,
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"Today is Monday.
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"It's Monday, Monday, Monday, Monday, Monday, Monday."
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Who said it?
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Who would say this?
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Stephen, who would say that?
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- Sounds like me.
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I'm gonna go with Steven.
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You're both wrong, that was another Myke tweet.
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Today is Monday.
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It's Monday Monday Monday Monday Monday Monday.
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Monday Monday Monday Monday.
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Alright, the next one.
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Yeah, comma, I was at Apple's keynote today.
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Who said that?
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That's the sentence?
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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I was at Apple's keynote today.
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I'm gonna go with me again.
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- Okay, Federico?
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- I think I said it.
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- That was a Steven tweet.
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As we know, Steven likes to rub it in.
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That he's, that he won't turn up.
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- Even the AI knows. - You're right.
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- Even the AI knows.
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Next one is,
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one, I want a 10.5 inch iPad.
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Two, I want a 10.5 inch iPad with touch ID.
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Three, I want a 10.5 inch iPad with a headphone jack.
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Four, I want a 10.5 inch iPad with a USB-C port.
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Five, I want a 10.5 inch.
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- It just stops, how long is this list?
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- It just stops, it stops at five and five ends
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says I want a 10.5 inch, that's it, it just stops.
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Steven, who said that?
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Well, who is expected to have said that?
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- Wow, go with Federico.
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Okay Federico. Yeah I think I said it. That's 200 points each for the two of you.
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Yeah, making a list about the iPad and you know something I would do.
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Max stories is well known for its listicles. Yes.
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Alright, this tweet reads 3.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.
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This goes on about for 15 more times.
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I wondered if I could get through it and I can't get through it.
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So that's the tweet, that's the entire tweet.
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3.1 and then there's like 20 of them.
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Steven, whose tweet is that?
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I think that's Myke.
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That was a Steven tweet.
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But now it's 600 points apiece.
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So I'm going to emphasize capitals by shouting.
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Here's the tweet.
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The June 2018 new music playlist is here.
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That's Federico.
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Yeah, I think that's me.
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No, that was a mic tweet.
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Apparently, yeah.
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2018 is the year of the podcast.
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It's true. I'm gonna go with Myke. Okay. I'm gonna go with Steven. That was a Myke tweet.
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That was another... I'm not gonna read it but there are four tweets in my
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selection here that all have 2018 in them. What were you doing four years ago?
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Don't know. Tweeting a lot I suppose. Yeah, aren't we all. Alright, ready for the next one.
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This tweet says "Okay, now the HomePod. I'm betting Apple will release a Plus model at
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some point, a smaller, cheaper model with two tweeters and three midwoofers for around
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$300, around $200 for the 3.5 model, a larger, non-speaker included model that has the same
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speakers as the..."
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That's a fantastic tweet.
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That's a good one. I'm gonna read it again because it's just fun.
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Okay, now the HomePod. I'm betting Apple will release a Plus model at some point,
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a smaller, cheaper model with two tweeters and three midwoofers for around $300,
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around $200 for the 3.5 model, a larger, non-speaker included model that has the same speakers as the...
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I know how it ends.
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Steven, who said that?
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I'm gonna go with Myke. Okay, Federico? I guess the question is the AI must
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have seen the data. So who amongst the three of us used before in tweets the
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words "tweeters" and "midwoofers," right? I don't think I ever have. Oh yeah. I don't
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I think I ever have used those words.
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Those strike me as Steven words.
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So I'm gonna go with Steven.
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- You're both wrong.
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That is a Federico tweet.
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You're always talking about midwoofers.
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- Oh my God.
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- I don't know.
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- How is it from?
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Be teaching.
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- Midwoofers.
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I think, what is a midwoofer?
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Is that even a thing?
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How is it, how is, is it mid dash woofer?
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Or just one word?
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- Yeah, mid dash woofer.
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- Dash woofers.
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- No, it's a hyphenated mid woofers.
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- I never tweeted this word.
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So the AI made it up.
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- Mixing and matching things in.
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I've got another one for you.
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Oh, and that $10,000 12.9 inch iPad Pro.
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It's $1,099.
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Ooh, that's a good deal.
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That's a discount.
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Can you read it again, please?
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Oh, and that $10,000 12.9 inch iPad Pro?
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It's $1,099.
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Who tweeted that, Steven?
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It's like 90% off.
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I think that's me.
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Okay, Federico?
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Yeah, I'm gonna go with Steven.
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That's true.
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even loves a deal. Alright, we're gonna do two more, alright? When I got my first job,
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it wasn't a dream, it was an internship.
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Why? It wasn't a dream, it wasn't an internship?
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It was an internship.
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It was an internship.
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That's not a dream.
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When I got my first job...
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Man, I don't know.
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I'm gonna go with Myke.
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- I'm gonna go with me, Federico.
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- It was Myke.
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So now Steven is leading 1200 to 800.
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- I cannot win in this game.
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- You cannot win, but you can get closer.
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This is the final one.
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So I just got my flu shot and I want everyone to know
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that the doctor told me it would wear off after two weeks,
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but it's still stuck in my head.
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- Stuck in my head?
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- So I just got my flu shot and I want everyone to know
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that the doctor told me it would wear off after two weeks,
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but it's still stuck in my head.
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- So this is vaccine misinformation.
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- Well, maybe, yeah.
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So who would do that, the three of us?
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- I don't think either of y'all would tweet about flu shots.
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I'm going to say it's me.
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Yeah, I'm going to go with Steven too.
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You were both correct.
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So that comes out at 1400 points to Steven.
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1000 points to Federico.
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So the current scores are Federico at 5201 points.
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Steven at 7073 points.
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Thank you both for...
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It's impossible for me.
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Well, I mean, who knows?
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I might do a 1,000 point round at some point, you know?
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You can never know with me.
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Thank you both for playing the quizzies.
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I am ready to concede if necessary.
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You know, I got my speech all good to go.
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Like, you know.
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Maybe it will end at the end of the year
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and then we'll start a new year's points, right?
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I haven't decided yet.
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And we should say we're gonna put the link to
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Edward Munn's tweet thread in the show notes so you can see all these but only look at it after the quiz
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Don't look at it now. Don't look at it before I've done this in the wrong order. Okay, I want to talk about an air tag
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Alternative. How does that sound? Does that sound good? Intriguing. Intriguing. So
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How do you pronounce this company name? Yuffie? I think it's Yuffie. Yeah, I hear youtubers say Yuffie
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So yeah, that's all that's how sparks does it so I'll go with it
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They make a bunch of stuff that make some home kits cure video cameras and other things and they have
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the smart track link
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Not a great name item tracker. So it works with the find my app and the whole find my network
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It's like a round rect
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Air tag, but it has a hole punch through it
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So you don't need to like put it in a case, right?
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That's part of the deal with the air tags, right? Unless you just put it in your pocket
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you need something to attach it to something else.
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But this is another alternative
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and it's got some cool features.
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It has a built-in speaker.
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It has the same CR2032 battery.
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So the little kind of watch battery you can put in it
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after about a year.
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And it's 20 bucks as opposed to $29 for an AirTag.
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This is not the first thing we've seen
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that's fine to my compatible.
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Remember there's like that smart bike that I really want
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and there's the Chipolo One spot,
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and then they also make the key card,
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like credit card sizing, you can put in your wallet.
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But it's another option.
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And if you're kind of annoyed that AirTags
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require something else to make them useful
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on a key chain or something,
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and you don't care about the U1
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like extreme up close tracking,
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then this seems like a pretty good deal.
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- Yeah, I think that the U1 support is,
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I think is a $10 differentiator.
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I think that that's kind of about right price-wise.
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Like this is good for a bunch of reasons.
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You can also use the UFE app.
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They'll also work on Android.
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They have a cool thing.
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They have a QR code on the back that you can scan
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and it gives the information of the person
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whose tracker it is.
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Like that's kind of like a clever little feature.
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- That's cool.
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- And 20 bucks is like, that's good, right?
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It's a good deal.
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And as you say, Steven, it's like,
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it's an easier way to get in for less money
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'cause you don't have to buy something to hook it on
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and also it's just easy to put it on a key chain or whatever.
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And so as a replacement for a tile tracker or whatever,
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that's great 'cause it's in the Fire My Network
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and it's 20 bucks, but there is still a jump
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to what the AirTag does.
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And as a reminder, the U1 thing is like,
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Bluetooth will only get you so far,
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probably within 10 feet or whatever,
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and then it's trying to help you find it
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with the Bluetooth signal,
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but it's not completely precise.
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Where the, when you have the U1 tracking,
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at a certain point that takes over from Bluetooth
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and can direct you perfectly to where the item is.
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So, you know, it depends on the item, right?
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Like if you're putting it on a suitcase,
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you probably don't need the U1,
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but if you are putting it on a bunch of keys,
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you might want it 'cause keys are small,
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they could fall somewhere, right?
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So your mileage might vary.
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- Yeah, I'm just glad that the Find My network
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continues to expand.
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I am a big fan of the Chipolo Wallet Finder.
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It's very similar to this.
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It's really loud, which is nice.
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So if, even though it doesn't have the U1,
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like it's really noisy if you open Find My
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and tell it to make noise.
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But yeah, it's just cool that we're seeing
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additional things come out for this network
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because it is a very useful feature,
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very useful thing to have all your stuff be trackable. Do you use the wallet finder in
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your wallet? So I am it was in my old wallet I switched to a Bellroy like super slim one
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and it doesn't fit. Yeah so that's why I asked. Maybe I just rubber band it's in my desk right
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now my desk drawer. Right. But I do I am sad that doesn't fit that was one bummer going
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to the more minimal wallet.
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Hashtag minimalism.
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Interesting.
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Oh, Federico, do you still use the magnetic wallet?
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No, no, I told you months ago I stopped.
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Was it the one?
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Because you did the case thing for a while.
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You still doing that?
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What is the case?
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Oh no, I stopped doing that also like two years ago.
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It was all because of COVID, because of, it became kind of mandatory to carry around.
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We have, it's not like an ID, but it's like this, it's like a, like a health card basically
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that has like the equivalent of, I guess, a social security number, but it's not really
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a social security number and it's got a chip in it.
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You can basically use it at hospitals or pharmacies or other places where you're either buying
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medicines or booking appointments to identify yourself in the Italian health system.
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And that became mandatory to carry around.
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And so that became the fourth card that I needed to have on me at all times.
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But all these wallets, both the case thing and the MagSafe one, which I loved, but they're
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all limited to three cards.
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And so if I wanted to have my ID, my debit card, my credit card, and the health card,
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I needed to look at something else.
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So I got one of those cheap wallets from Amazon that has like a little button that you press
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and it pushes out the cards.
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And I really like it. I've been using that for like six months. At some point it'll break,
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I guess. It's like the stitching is coming apart on one side. But I mean, I paid like
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12 euros for it. It's like a no-brand thing, and it's fine. I'm open to suggestions. I
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really like this one because it's super compact. It can store three cards in the metallic structure,
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And then you can place two more in an outer, like in a different pocket of the wallet when
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you fold it open.
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It's got like this little section for two more cards.
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And you can even store some cash in it.
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It's got like a smaller compartment where you can fit like a couple of bills or something
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It's very nice, it's very compact, and then you can fold it close and it's got this button
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at the bottom that you push it and it pops out the cards that you want to pick up like
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your credit card for example.
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I like it, but I've been wondering about this AirTag compatibility thing.
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It would be nice to have...
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Because I am extremely paranoid about losing my wallet.
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I'm one of those people who constantly double-check in my pockets if I have still my wallet on
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me and my car keys on me.
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So if anyone has a recommendation for something that is compact...
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Not too expensive, because I really don't want to spend like $200 on a wallet.
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I understand why lots of people do.
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I don't particularly care.
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It's more the utility of it.
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If there's a way for me to have something compact
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that lets me store four cards, some cash,
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and an air tag, send a link my way, maybe, you know,
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would you be so kind to send me a link?
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That'd be nice.
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Yeah, that'd be cool.
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But to answer your question, Myke,
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no, I'm not using the Macs.
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Federico, you have launched Apple Frames
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3.0, which is your massive shortcut where people can take screenshots and embed them in
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Apple devices. So I can take a screenshot of my iPhone and then run it through this shortcut,
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and it has like the iPhone border around it. Tell us a little bit about how this works and then,
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you know, why 3.0 is here. Yeah, so you may remember I launched version 2.0,
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last year and that also was a major update to Apple Frames based on a new structure.
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And that version worked well, I would say, for the past year, actually maybe more, like 15 months or
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something. All the problems started when I began working on adding support for the iPhone 14 Pro
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family and the new multiple display resolution modes. If you recall, that version of Apple
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frames was based on a single JSON file that contained a lot of Base64.
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Base64, one of the recurring in-jokes of this program, is a technique that lets you turn files,
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like images, into plain text. It does that by using its own algorithm that encodes a file into
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a bunch of random text that is incredibly long, like hundreds of
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thousands of characters long. And when you deal with those kinds of strings of
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texts that are incredibly long, plain text can get surprisingly large. To give
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some context, I was dealing with a 45, 46 megabyte plain text file, which if you know
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plain text, you know that 46 megabyte for a plain text file is wild. BBEdit was the
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only app I could use to open that file, and even BBEdit was like super snappy at navigating
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that file. But it got to a point where all the solutions that I was using before, like
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the excellent JSON app by Simon Storring, it just couldn't open the file anymore. As soon as I added
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the iPhone 14 Pro and the Pro Max frames, JSON was crashing on launch every single time I opened
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the file. So for like a month I struggled to get this to work, because I reached the point where
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Even I couldn't debug the file and the shortcut anymore.
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And even I, so, and that was the worst part.
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I couldn't get the frames out of the file anymore,
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because I couldn't open the file
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and I couldn't copy the text.
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And every time I opened it, it would crash.
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So like, it was like all my work was prisoner of base64.
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It was like, how can I do this?
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So it took me like a week to scroll manually with BBEdit all the sections of the base64
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and manually copy the bits in between the double quotes. And as you can imagine, like,
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scrolling a single frame took me like 20 minutes. And I wasted so much time.
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But basically, eventually, I was able to take all the data out of the JSON file,
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and I realized, you know, this is impossible. I know that I redid this shortcut last year,
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but if I want to make this easier for me to maintain and to add more stuff in the future,
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I need to stop using Base64. Plain text is not the way to go with this anymore. I need to use
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actual PNG image files stored somewhere in the file system. So Apple Frames 3 has a brand new
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structure. When you download it, it installs a folder for you. Well, first it downloads a zip
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archive from MacStories. It takes care of unzipping that archive, and it just installs a folder
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in iCoud Drive shortcuts called Frames, that contains all the things that the shortcut needs,
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all the images and all the coordinates and all the other information that are required.
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And that, as soon as I figured out that structure, that opened a whole new world of possibilities for
00:46:24
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me, because it's now so much easier for me to add new devices to Apple Frames. I don't have to deal
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with encoding and decoding anymore, I can just take the PNG that Sylvia prepares for me, drop it into a folder,
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and add the coordinates for pasting the screenshots on top of the frame in a text file that is super lightweight.
00:46:48
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To prove my point, I'm already working on version 3.1 of Apple Frames that will bring back compatibility with the 13-inch MacBook Pro,
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which I removed a while back. I got a bunch of requests from people, and, surprisingly,
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I got like five different people asking me about this already. The iPhone 8 Plus. Don't
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ask me why. I got a bunch of requests, and I figured, you know, now that I have this
00:47:17
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simple structure that makes it so easy to add new stuff, why not? So, I'm already working
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version 3.1. And yeah, so there was technically, like, from the behind the scenes point of view,
00:47:30
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there was a lesson to be learned there about, you know, Base64 can be useful, but don't overdo it,
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and I definitely overdid it for a long time. Initially, the shortcut was storing the Base64
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inside the shortcut itself, and then it became an external file, but even that was not
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good enough for me. Brief aside, shortcuts should really offer you the ability to store assets
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inside a shortcut that you want to share with other people. This is one of the things that,
00:48:04
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Steven, I'm sure you know about this. Automator has offered this functionality for decades.
00:48:10
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Yeah, forever.
00:48:11
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If you have resources that you need to store in an Automator workflow, like, "Hey, users need this
00:48:19
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PDF document or they need this PNG,
00:48:23
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you can store that.
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You can store those resources inside the workflow
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that you share with people.
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Automator has this, Shortcut does not.
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And so I had to do this thing where like,
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I'm hosting the assets on my CDN
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and the Shortcut has to download those
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and install those for people in iCODE drive.
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I mean, none of this is ideal for people, but.
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or your hosting bill, probably.
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- To talk about the new stuff,
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full support for the dynamic island,
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iPhone 14 Pro and Pro Max in both orientations.
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M2 MacBook Air, Myke was kind enough
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to lend his screenshot taking skills to the cause.
00:49:07
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I was able to add support for the M2 MacBook Air
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because of the kind help of Myke sending me screenshots.
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Oh yeah, and I figured while I was at it, you know, I added support for default and
00:49:26
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more space resolutions, both on iPadOS 16 and on macOS.
00:49:32
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So all the Mac models supported by Apple Frames, you can now frame those screenshots, whether
00:49:40
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you use default resolution or more space resolution.
00:49:42
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I forgot where...
00:49:43
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Oh, there's a new action.
00:49:46
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have this new Quick Save to Finder or Files, so if you want to save like, I don't know,
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five screenshots with a single command without having to rename each of them, which was the
00:49:59
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case before, now you can just press the Quick Save button and you're going to save all of
00:50:04
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those framed images all at once. Yeah, that's about it. Oh, and Apple Watch Ultra, Apple
00:50:10
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Watch Ultra as well. But I'm already working on version 3.1 of Apple Frames, and I mean,
00:50:16
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I'm pretty much done. As I mentioned, I'm going to restore support for the 13-inch
00:50:21
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Micro Pro, bring back the iPhone 8 Plus. But I also had this idea for this new feature.
00:50:28
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Again, this new foundation of Apple Frames makes it so much easier for me to add stuff.
00:50:34
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And one of the first things I want to add is this feature that I called "Input Macros."
00:50:41
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The idea being that you can use Apple Frames manually, like you always have. You just run
00:50:47
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it manually from the shortcuts app, from the home screen, as a widget, whatever, and it'll
00:50:55
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continue working. But I figured out a system to trigger Apple Frames in different ways.
00:51:06
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I will release this utility shortcuts
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that lets you trigger Apple frames in different modes,
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For example, one of them is run Apple frames,
00:51:18
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but just get the image that I have in the clipboard
00:51:23
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and frame that.
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Like don't let me pick images,
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just get the one from the clipboard.
00:51:27
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- Very sweet.
00:51:28
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- There's another mode that is just
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immediately frame the latest screenshot I took.
00:51:35
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There's another mode where you can pass a number and say, frame the most recent seven
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screenshots I took. I figured out the system to basically pass an instruction to Apple
00:51:52
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Frames and it will skip the image picking process and it'll just do its thing for you
00:51:59
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based on the command that you sent.
00:52:01
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I have a request, a feature request.
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to be able to have a bunch of, maybe it does this,
00:52:08
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I don't know, to be able to say like,
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take these three and put them in frames
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and put them in one, say, horizontal image.
00:52:17
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- That's already the case.
00:52:18
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- It could do that already?
00:52:19
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Cool, I'm gonna redo a screenshot that I need.
00:52:22
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- Yeah, so if you pick three iPhone screenshots.
00:52:25
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- It would give you all in one image?
00:52:27
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- Yeah, only one.
00:52:29
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- I never tried that.
00:52:29
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I just never thought that it could do it.
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I never tried.
00:52:32
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- Yeah, yeah, it does that.
00:52:33
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- Thank you. - It does that.
00:52:34
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What some people have been asking is, "Can you properly align screenshots from different
00:52:46
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And unfortunately, there's nothing I can do there.
00:52:49
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So if you try, for example, right now, you combine...
00:52:52
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So let's say you pick an Apple Watch screenshot and an iPhone screenshot.
00:52:56
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Apple Frames will frame them, and it will combine them in a single image.
00:53:01
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But ideally, you want the Apple Watch to be aligned with the bottom edge of the iPhone,
00:53:11
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If you were to put together like a nice image for your website, you would want to have the
00:53:17
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Apple Watch aligned with the bottom edge of the phone.
00:53:20
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Right now it doesn't.
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Apple Frames doesn't do that.
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It just puts the Apple Watch at the very top and the iPhone next to it.
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And that's because Apple Frames at the moment doesn't have any idea of proportions between
00:53:36
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different devices, which is something that I've been thinking about how to solve.
00:53:43
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Is there any way for me to add logic in the image compositing process to say, "I understand
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that you're trying to frame an iPhone and an Apple Watch, let me make sure that when
00:53:59
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they end up together, they have the correct proportions and alignment, but I haven't figured
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that out yet. Otherwise, like right now, for example, you end up with the absurd scenario
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in which if you frame an iPhone and an iPad, like the iPhone is taller than the iPad, right?
00:54:18
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that kind of stuff. You're not going to notice this if you just frame screenshots from the
00:54:25
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same device, but the moment you mix and match, the composited image looks weird. And that's
00:54:31
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always been the case, but that's because I still need to figure out that logic. And hopefully
00:54:37
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that will happen at some point. But yeah, 3.1 should be coming out soon with more legacy
00:54:43
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devices and this new macro system for running Apple Frames in a bunch of different ways.
00:54:51
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And I'm excited about that, but otherwise, you know, people are really into this shortcut
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and I'm happy to continue working this. You know, it's been, what, three, four years at
00:55:01
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this point and it's always fun.
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Relay FM. I feel like we've got to talk about Twitter. The news changes. The news
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has changed multiple times since we started the document. In fact the stuff
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in the show notes is now completely wrong. So I propose we talk sort of more
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about how we feel more than like the news. I think it's really hard to keep
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that up to date as quickly as things are moving. Obviously it's been a
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drama-filled week and a half since Elon Musk took over Twitter, laid off almost
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half the staff last week, which is just a wave of a bunch of layoffs happening in
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tech. I saw today that Meta let go 11,000 people, roughly 13% of their
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workforce, so a lot of layoffs in the tech sector right now. That's obviously
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really hard and frustrating to watch because a bunch of those people did
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great work for a long time and they're just let go overnight. But Twitter is
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undergoing a lot of changes, right? It is now a privately held company by Elon
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Musk and his holdings company. A lot of debt is associated with that. It was a
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44 billion dollar deal and he has to pay that back. The interest alone is
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substantial and Twitter was not making money if Elon's word is to be believed
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something like four million dollars a day in losses when he took over and it's
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important to remember I think that Twitter is not a big platform it is big
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if you're in the tech world or if you're in professional athletics or if you're
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in like news and politics but the couple hundred million active users it has
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is a drop in the bucket compared to meta which is like 10 times the size and so
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while I think we often talk about Twitter in terms of equal footing with
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Facebook and Instagram and other social platforms it's really not very big it's
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extremely influential for its size I mean turn on any newscasts in America
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and some something that someone said on Twitter will be in that newscast because
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again like news, sports, tech, these are some areas that really revolve around
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Twitter, but out in the broader world the user base is much smaller than some of
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the other things, and so it means that the people I think, I think on the whole
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people on Twitter care more about Twitter than people on Facebook care
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about Facebook, as like on the company level, which makes all of this much more
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exciting. Like there's so much talk on Twitter, especially at the moment, but it
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kind of has always been just about Twitter, like just in general, it's not
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really a thing that I see as prevalent on other social media networks. It just feels
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like people on Twitter like Twitter in general. I don't really know what to... I wanted to
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talk about this today. I was the one who asked the two of you, "Can we talk about it?"
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You drug us into this a little bit. We're just fine.
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And I don't really know where to go with it as such, right?
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I think that, you know, this is obviously very complicated and Elon is a very problematic
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individual and is bringing a lot of that energy just to Twitter in general now.
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I am on the side of the idea that Twitter should be a private company.
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I actually think that that is better for Twitter right now, but I think it very much remains
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to be seen if the guy that owns it is the right person to own it. I think so far the
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answer feels pretty much no, right? That like it is absolute chaos it feels like at the
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moment. Right so like as we're recording today they, like because there's been this whole
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thing about like people paying for verification right it's part of Twitter Blue and then they
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were like well we're also going to put in this system where very notable individuals
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will get a secondary tag which is added to their account. So like whether they pay or
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not it will be noted like government officials or whatever. And then this came into effect
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today where a bunch of people got official added to their Twitter account which was a
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grey word official with like a grey outline of a verification. But it was also added to
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like a bunch of celebrities, tons of YouTubers got it and then within hours it was taken
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away again and then re-clarified that it's only going to be given to companies.
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And it's just absolute chaos. It feels like no one is making definitive decisions and
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things are leaving Twitter before anyone seems to have fully agreed on them. Because just
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a couple of weeks ago these absolutely wild app release notes came out talking about fighting
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in the bots and power to the people, like in the App Store release notes, which I read
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on platform and were written directly by Jason Calacanis and I was like, "Oh, okay then.
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I understand."
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And so they kind of, they just like, that came out, but like Twitter Blue is not even
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ready for this stuff.
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It feels like, it feels like they're a startup again, but like they shouldn't be, like it
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It shouldn't feel like this, it shouldn't have this kind of energy to it because it
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is this established thing.
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Really the reason I wanted to talk about this is like, this is all preamble to just, I just
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want to know how the two of you feel about being on Twitter right now.
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Like how it makes you feel, what you would, or if you would consider something else instead.
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That's kind of what I wanted to talk about.
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I love Twitter, I've always loved Twitter.
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I owe a lot of the things I know and the people I know to Twitter.
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I think it, I always, I've always felt like Twitter was the social network made for me
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and people like me.
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And I've always felt like it was the social network that best represented my interests,
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the way I like to communicate publicly.
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It's the place where I can find interesting things, funny things, engage with listeners,
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readers in a way that Facebook doesn't let me do that, YouTube doesn't let me do that,
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Instagram doesn't let me do that, and Twitter is perfect for me. But right now I feel like,
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I feel sad and worried and at times just in awe of the sheer stupidity of many decisions
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that are being taken right now.
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Amongst all of them, the worst one is this idea of giving verification to everybody without
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verifying their identity, but just by letting them pay for it.
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And I'm not saying that because I'm one of those people saying, "No, no, I'm verified.
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should be exclusive for an exclusive club. It's not about that. It's about the signal
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that you're sending and about the, you know, verification was important because you could
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verify the identity of an individual and say, yes, this person is who they claim to be.
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But right now, and I'm going to get political and I'm sorry, but I think I, to understand
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And the consequences of this, I think it's helpful to speak in practical terms with practical
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Mark Gorman, we all know Mark, just posted a tweet showing how there is no moderation
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when it comes to "verifying" people now if they just sign up for Twitter Blue, which
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launched again as we were recording the show at $8 a month.
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Oh, they did it again.
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They've done it, they've launched it again.
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Congratulations everyone.
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It's now live.
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By the end of this episode,
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they probably will pull it, I would expect.
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It's now live again.
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It launched a few minutes ago.
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And like I was saying,
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nobody is verifying anyone anymore, right?
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It's just that you pay, you get a blue check mark.
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And so right now, according to this tweet by Mark Gurman,
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user called minefuhrer is verified on Twitter.
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Mindfuhrer with a blue checkmark next to it.
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This is not like theoretical.
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This is like a real user right now.
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You can go in and open their profile.
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So you know, someone who pretends to be Hitler or is named after Hitler can be verified on
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Twitter right now by just paying $8 a month.
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And we knew this was going to happen, right? Because they, Musk said, uh, power to the
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people, uh, give us $8 and you can be verified, but it's not about being verified. Is it?
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It's just about paying $8. You're just paying a subscription. So the reason I'm concerned
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is that you're getting all the benefits of verification by just signing up for a subscription.
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And I gotta ask, why?
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It's so stupid.
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The company itself has realized, "Oh, well, but what are we gonna do for the organizations
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and the celebrities that we want to make sure are verified, are who they claim to be?
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Well, I guess we're gonna need another checkmark."
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So in a span of a week, you went back to the original problem, and you realized that the
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solution to that problem was what you thought was the problem in the first place.
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You just invented another checkmark.
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But right now, in the meantime, user mine_fuhrer can sign up for Twitter Blue, get a blue checkmark,
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and what are the benefits called again?
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they have a new splash screen saying "Rocket" to the top of your replies and search results.
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Well they're just gonna wait. This is the other thing. It's basically turning Twitter
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into pay for play. That you now have to give money, or have to be in a case where you can
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give money to be able to see, for your tweets to be seen. Because they're making, if you
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subscribed to twitter blue or you are verified or whatever there's always been a verified tab
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but it was the third tab so you had all activity mentions and verified and so you could go to
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verified and see what other verified people were saying to you they're now making verified it seems
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like the first tab so most people will just see notifications from verified users if they are
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verified if you want to have this like paid system of doing all this stuff like i suppose do it but
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but why make it part of the verified system,
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which is like, I had to submit my identification
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to be verified.
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Like I was, I don't remember, it was a long time ago,
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and I had to send Twitter a scan of my passport
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to prove who I was,
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and I had to answer a bunch of questions, right?
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This is what you had to do.
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And that should be what this is.
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And if you can't do that anymore,
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get rid of it for everyone, right?
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Like if you're saying someone is verified,
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it means you have verified them.
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And like they're saying, oh, a credit card would do it.
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I'm pretty sure that person's name is not mine, Fuhrer.
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Like I feel pretty confident
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that that's probably not their legal name.
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If it is like, I guess fine, I suppose, like egg on my face,
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but I'm assuming it probably isn't.
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And so there isn't verification.
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The verification is like, you have a credit card, right?
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But it doesn't say anything, right?
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And I just, it's just all just like this,
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this is like a perfect example of like,
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I just have like much more increased anxiety
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on Twitter at the moment than I have,
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which is already pretty high when I'm there, to be honest,
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but I'm addicted, right?
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Like this is the issue.
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And I saw someone, I think it was,
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Oh, I've got to find this tweet because it was, this actually is like a good bordering
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between the two things that I'm feeling right now.
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I think it was from Chris Sacker.
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Jason sent it to me.
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I'm just going through Slack to find this now.
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It was super good of like explaining the situation.
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Yeah, it was Chris Sacker.
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To those questioning if I'm going to Mastodon, that's like asking if I'm going to quit a
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a pack of day camels habit to start rolling my own clothes cigarettes like
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the rest of you. I just need to stop smoking. It's like that like encapsulates
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both things of like I go to Twitter and I'm going there more right now than I
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have done in a while because I'm addicted to it and I also just can't
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help but not see what's happening, but if I decide to quit like I'm done like
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I'm not going to go spin up a mastodon server like this is if I leave, which I
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I think my timeline of if, like it's an if timeline,
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but like my if timeline of will I stop using Twitter
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is speeding up now, like an accelerating rate,
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I feel like.
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Like if I'm ever going to quit,
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I think that that time is coming faster
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than it would have without Elon in charge.
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Because it's just, it's so,
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it just feels so bad right now.
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And everyone is just even more mad than they were before.
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And it's like a new mad about Twitter,
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which is on top of all of the other mad,
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which is already on Twitter all the time, right?
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People just being mad about things.
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I just, I don't enjoy being there right now.
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It feels like chaos, but not good chaos.
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Yeah, if I'm gonna leave,
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I'm, it's just like I'm done with it.
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So I wonder what you two think about that.
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- I think my is when, not if.
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I have over the last year or so,
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just been much more aware of my usage of it.
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and like you feel pretty addicted to it, to be honest.
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And for me, it's about the direction of the platform
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just as much as about like what I want personally for me.
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Right, and I think overall,
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there's not a scenario that I can imagine
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where it ends well for Twitter.
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It either slowly becomes less relevant
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and just hangs on forever,
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like Flickr or Tumblr or one of those other services
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that we all used to use all the time
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now we don't even think about it anymore. Or it sinks into some sort of like 4chan
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level of hell that without moderation and without a lot of people who make the
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community what it is now. One of the best things about Twitter, at least in the
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Apple community and the technology community, is that I can see and talk to
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a lot of people who have a lot of different thoughts and feelings and
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points of view on things. And that's fantastic. And our little corner of it
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feels pretty good most of the time. But at the same time,
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it feels like the shadows are creeping in around the edges already.
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And, you know, I don't remember who said this.
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It was on a podcast I listened to,
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it may have been someone who really it may not have been, but, um,
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the genius, one of the geniuses of Twitter, oh, it was on, um, offline,
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which is a Pod Save America podcast.
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Jon Favreau had Neil Patel on this weekend's episode.
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And I think it was on that show they were talking about,
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kind of the brilliance of Twitter
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is that you just type into a box
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and like everyone's thoughts and feelings
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are kind of on the same level, right?
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It's different from YouTube where if you're shooting a video
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on like your iPhone 4S versus MKBHD shooting in like 8K,
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like there's real quality differences.
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So Twitter in a way is like the great equalizer
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in terms of social media platforms.
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- But for all the good that brings,
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and it brings a lot of good,
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like I do not want to undersell like the good,
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and frankly, the good that Twitter's done,
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frankly, what the three of us have benefited from Twitter,
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because all three of us have benefited from it,
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professionally and personally, hugely.
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That's all fantastic, but I'm not willing to stick around
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and watch it burn if it crosses some sort of threshold
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I'm unwilling to cross.
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And I don't know what that is.
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I've taken a big step back, but it is so complicated.
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I mean, even in talking about it now,
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I feel like I'm talking in circles
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because I don't really know what I feel about it.
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I don't know what I think about it other than it hurts.
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and it hurts to see a place that on its best days
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promised equal footing for all voices.
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And Twitter wasn't perfect at that right there.
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I mean, under previous administrations of Twitter,
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like abuse and harassment
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and people chased off the platform,
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like it's been a bad place for a long time,
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but on its best days, you could see what it could be.
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And Elon and all the people he's brought in
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do not care about that, right?
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They have a big problem on their hands at the financials.
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They saw the blue check mark as something people wanted.
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And I think Musk hates the press.
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If you look at the way he operates his other country,
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other companies, he doesn't like the press.
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Tesla famously doesn't have a PR department.
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SpaceX doesn't really either,
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although it's a little bit different.
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They're not really a consumer company.
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It fits in with, okay, we need money.
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People want to like take down the liberal blue check people
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and it fits in with his sort of view of the world.
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And I was talking to Casey about this.
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I hope he doesn't mind.
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It's something I said in our conversations.
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I feel like I can share it.
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This is fundamentally different
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than Elon Musk's other companies, right?
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Like Tesla and SpaceX and the Boring Company
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and everything else.
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Like they've all done, well, not the Boring Company.
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SpaceX and Tesla have both done amazing things.
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They're amazing people who work there.
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I know people at both companies
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who are doing their best work of their lives
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in that structure.
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Those companies don't affect tens of millions of people
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based on what Elon Musk thinks about the world, right?
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Elon's like libertarian stance on things,
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which is like, it's what he believes, right?
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I disagree with it, that's fine.
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But it doesn't really affect how the Model S turns out.
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It doesn't really affect SpaceX's ability
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to do amazing things with their rockets.
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But with Twitter, like you, I mean,
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in Eli's "Welcome to Hell" Elon piece,
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which we'll link in the show notes,
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he was like, you know,
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the thing that these companies make is content moderation.
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That's their product.
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Musk has no experience in that.
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And it seems like he's allergic to it in a lot of ways.
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And that's at odds with what he says
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he's gonna do for advertisers.
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And so I think it's confused as we feel about it
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and as conflicted as we feel about it,
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that reflects what's happening with Twitter itself,
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where it seems like a company that's in complete disarray
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and no one knows really what's happening.
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And like, I mean, Esther, I forget her last name,
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but she's the one who's been tweeting a lot
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about like the new verification system.
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She works for Twitter still.
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And like, Elon's just going around
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basically undoing everything she's doing in public.
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Like that has to feel terrible.
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- Esther Crawford.
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- Yes, thank you.
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It just, it's a mess.
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And what I fear is like the, you know,
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the idea of like Twitter being a city on a hill,
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like everyone's voice can be heard
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and you can learn from people with different points of view
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and different backgrounds.
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Like as hard as that was to see in the past,
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and I did think we had glimpses of it on the old Twitter,
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I'm afraid that that is gone.
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That the people who I need to listen to more in my life
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because they have points of view that are different for me
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and I can grow as a person being exposed to them,
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a lot of those folks aren't gonna stick around
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because Twitter's not a safe place for them anymore.
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And that, at the end of the day,
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I think is what bums me out the most.
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Like, I'll just say it,
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as like a verified white dude on Twitter,
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like, I'm probably not gonna feel
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a lot of like personal pain on Twitter
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beyond what I put myself through.
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But there are so many people on Twitter
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whose voices other people think shouldn't be there,
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and they're gonna be run off,
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and that makes the platform worse,
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and that means it's a place I don't wanna be.
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- Like everything that you said, Stephen,
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like 100%, I agree with that.
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And I would add that for me,
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it's also a matter of kind of company are you supporting
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by participating in it,
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and by effectively giving your free content.
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- Or paying for it, not right.
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Or paying for it. Like, I can tell you right now, I am not going to pay $8 to stay verified.
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In good conscience, right now, as it stands, I'm not going to shout out $8 to the guy who
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posts a meme with a Nazi soldier. I am not going to, you know, give my $8 to the company
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that allows user mindfuhrer to verify. I'm sorry, but that's a pretty hard and clear
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line for me. Being okay with posting Nazi symbols and imagery or having usernames, that's
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a big nope from me. And I'm sure that, you know, fellow Italians and Germans, I'm sure
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that, you know, this is a topic that is especially close to our countries for obvious historical
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reasons. I mean, we literally have laws both in Italy and in Germany to ban imagery and
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symbols and that type of stuff, which, and seeing that on Twitter with the blue check
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mark next to it, you know, it, it hurts and it sucks. And I don't want to participate
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And if it hurts you think about how much it hurts somebody who, who has a more personal
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connection to those historic events. Right.
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Exactly. Like nothing happened to me because of those historical events. Imagine people
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and communities and, and you know, folks who are and continue to be still affected by that
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line of political thinking. And that's the thing for me. Ultimately, that's the thing
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for me. The idea that we should welcome all opinions under this Utopian banner of free
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speech. That's where I draw the line, because for me, there are some things that are not
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free speech, they are violence. And I cannot, as a person, justify things and opinions and
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ideas and symbols and whatever, like, that are wrong, as "No, it's just someone else's
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No, it's wrong and illegal, I would say, in some countries.
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So that's where I draw the line.
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If this continues, well, obviously, I'm not going to...
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And it's not so quite...
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I don't want to just, you know, I don't want to pay $8 to the richest white man in the
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world to be, "Hey, I'm cool too."
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You know, like, no, no.
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And if this company allows for this kind of users and symbols and photos to continue spreading,
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I don't want to participate in that.
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Yeah, absolutely. And I do think we're going to get to a point where that very thing becomes
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a litmus test, at least in our community. And I mean, it's something that I thought of when you
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were talking like these images and symbols of hatred that our society can't seem to
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scrub itself of. Like that's as bad as that is, it's just one category and one example.
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Exactly. Just one of them.
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If you have a verified account or an account that Elon or one of his boys retweets that is against people of color or against trans people,
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those folks should be safe on a platform like Twitter.
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And again, Twitter before this was not perfect or even good at this, right?
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Like, don't hear what I'm not saying.
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But it is even worse when the guy who wholly owns the company is proliferating it, right?
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So you can say you have a moderation issue, right?
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'Cause like moderation at this scale
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is a very complicated thing,
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which takes huge person power to make work.
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- And no system is perfect, right?
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- But when the dude who bought it,
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swims in those waters, it sets the tone.
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- And when you look at a company that just went under,
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again, massive layoffs,
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and the teams that were gutted were things like
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ethical AI research and the safety team
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and like a bunch of teams that are really vital
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to this service remaining safe for people to be on,
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you gotta wonder what the future holds.
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And I don't see any sign that this new leadership
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gives a crap about these serious moderation issues, right?
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He says it's gonna be a free speech haven
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while also saying it's gonna be good for advertisers.
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Advertisers don't wanna be associated
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with any of this either, right?
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It's, I mean, YouTube has struggled with this, right?
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YouTube has struggled on and off the year,
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over the years with having advertising paired
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with extreme content or radicalized content.
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And then a bunch of advertisers freak out
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and they have to rework their algorithms and their rules.
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And like, I think someone, I think, again,
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someone else said this, I've consumed way too much media
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over the last week about this,
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but it's like Elon and team are speed running,
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running a network, right?
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Like you saw YouTube and even Tumblr, Tumblr went through this.
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Flickr went through this.
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Like figuring out what's okay and not okay on your platform.
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He's doing it in public.
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He's doing it at a breathtaking speed.
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And he's doing it with something that was already up and running.
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I mean, Myke, you mentioned at the top of this that it feels like they're a startup
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They are too big and too influential for that to be the case for very long.
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I was willing to give them the benefit of the doubt on some things for a little while
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as they get their feet under them, but it's become increasingly clear to me that I don't
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think it's going to get to a place where I'm comfortable staying.
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And like, that sucks.
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Like there are so many people that I know, including the two of you, that some of our
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first interactions were on Twitter.
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And I like that serendipity, that ability to meet somebody and talk to somebody like
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a lot of that's been gone from Twitter for a while now.
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At least for us, our lives changed.
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Like I expect that there are a lot of people that still do have that exact same thing that
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we all had 15 years ago, but like our just lives changed over that time period.
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But that's going to disappear, right?
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Because the the conversation, the question you started asking us like two hours ago,
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Myke was like, what do we go from here?
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I'm with you.
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Like I have a Mastodon account.
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I'm not interested in using it.
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I did it to hold my name.
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And I mean, I think I set one up like, yeah, when it started, I haven't bothered to look.
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I looked at mine the other day.
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I started in like 2018 and it has one post on it.
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And that's all it'll be.
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Um, I could see myself in the not too distant future not being on social media at all, which
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which is really weird to think about
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because on the professional,
01:25:44
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so like on the personal level, I'm already there, right?
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Like I don't post like on Instagram,
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anything about my family.
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I actually went through my history
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and like took down pictures of my kids
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and that sort of thing.
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Like I turned Instagram into a professional thing
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and then I took it off my phone.
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I haven't looked at it in a while.
01:26:00
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I've done the same thing on Twitter
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where I'm basically just using it in a professional context.
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And I know you and Jason spoke about this on Upgrade Plus
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about how he still really values that as a professional.
01:26:12
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And I do too, because that's where our audience is.
01:26:15
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Like most of the stuff in feedback or follow-up
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on this very podcast you're listening to comes from Twitter.
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It doesn't come from the email address.
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I wish it would, but it comes from Twitter.
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And so there is part of this that part of the conflict is,
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well, I'm in, I like it personally,
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but that's where the audience is.
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And I need to be able to interact
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and like see what people think about the shows
01:26:37
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and like, you know, answer questions
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and like be available to people.
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And I wanna continue to do that, right?
01:26:42
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It's one reason I love our Discord so much.
01:26:44
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But having said that,
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like at some point the balance is gonna shift
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and that's not gonna be enough.
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It may hurt me professionally.
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It may make people think of my projects less often, right?
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It may mean that I don't sell as many calendars next year
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or whatever, but I have to be okay with that
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if I feel like this is not a thing
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I wanna be a part of anymore.
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And that's tough. It's hard to know.
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I don't think that it's a concern for us anymore.
01:27:11
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Like more people pay attention to the three of us
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via our non-social media things.
01:27:19
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Right. And I would say maybe it's a little more complicated for the two of you,
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because I know that like writing, you know,
01:27:25
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like I know Twitter drives a lot of traffic,
01:27:27
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but so for our podcasts though, right?
01:27:30
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Like our audiences are audiences. I don't think Twitter grows that audience for us.
01:27:35
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I don't think we see significant amounts of new traffic
01:27:40
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because we post our episodes, you know?
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I mean, and I know this to be the case
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'cause I can see that our audience numbers
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stay mostly the same.
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And maybe it means we're never gonna get those
01:27:51
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like bubbling up moments, right?
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But I don't know really one, how much they happen
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and two, how important they are.
01:28:00
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I think this is a very different thing for me
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than for you two for that reason of like,
01:28:05
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what do we publish, right?
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And everything that I make is audio
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or is a physical product,
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which I'll talk about on one of my audioship.
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Like social media is really bad
01:28:21
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for promoting podcasts in general.
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And so like from a professional perspective,
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it isn't as important for me anymore
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for like getting out to my audience of people.
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And I mean, one of the reasons I know this is like, I barely tweet anymore.
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This has been me for a long time.
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It wasn't a conscious decision.
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I just kind of stopped tweeting.
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And really now all I ever tend to do is share things that I'm working on.
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But I don't think it really drives much of anything for me now.
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And like, really the majority of my tweets, they're just replies to people that are asking
01:29:01
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I would miss that.
01:29:02
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When you said that, Stephen, I hadn't realized that, yes, the majority of the feedback and
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follow up that I get from listeners comes from Twitter and I don't want more email.
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So like that would start to be a thing that would become difficult for me.
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Like I think I would maybe set up like a form or something, right?
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Like go fill out a Google form if you've got some follow up, like if I was to leave, right?
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or like questions follow up that kind of stuff because I'd
01:29:31
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That would be the main thing that I would miss. Yeah, it's it's tough right and it's tough because it has become
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the personal and professional
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While you were talking I was I was sitting thinking about
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The fact I left Facebook
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2014 or 15 it's a long time ago and I was conflicted about that because it's like well
01:29:54
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I got a bunch of friends on here,
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and this is how I keep up with like,
01:29:57
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what's going on in their lives, right?
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Like, oh, we're having a baby, or we're moving, or whatever.
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And what I've learned in the years since then
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is that I still keep up with people
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I wanna keep up with, right?
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It's the core group of people that I really care about.
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What I've realized is that it has solidified
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the relationships I wanna keep up with.
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And I think the same would be true for Twitter.
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Like, I could still read who I wanna read,
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I still listen to who I wanna listen to.
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It's not like a bunch of people
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are gonna be Thanos out of my life
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because I quit looking at Twitter.
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Just gotta find different ways
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to keep up with who I really want to.
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I think that's why so many people
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are like clamoring for what is next.
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Like, oh, let's go, I'll go over here.
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I don't think any system,
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any social media platform is perfect.
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And I don't think Mastodon really solves
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many of the problems that Twitter has.
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Like I know it's federated or like whatever,
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and that's cool technically,
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but at the end of the day,
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if you put a bunch of human beings in a service,
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you have to have moderation
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because people do and say bad things.
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And so I just don't know if anything can replace it.
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And I'm becoming more and more comfortable
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with thinking that that's actually okay,
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that we don't actually need something to replace it.
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Yes, it's sad.
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Yes, it is frustrating.
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But at the same time,
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the world isn't gonna stop spinning
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because a social network like Twitter goes away.
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And listen, you might, right?
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You might need something.
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And that's perfectly okay, right?
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I just want to say, you know, like,
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we just have for us, I think we can live without it.
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I mean, Federico, I don't know if you've mentioned,
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but like, you know, if you out there feel like
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you need Mastodon, like, please go ahead.
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Like, I encourage you.
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- Right, or micro.blog or like this,
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I mean, there's other things, right?
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I think what we're running what we're gonna be in is like everyone is on a handful of slacks and discords
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And you have like weird overlapping social circles
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You know I think we should always go back to blogging like Federica, and I talked about last week, but it's um
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Yeah, I think for me at the end of the day like I will be sad, but fine leaving it behind
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Yeah, if that happens you know
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We'll just, we'll leave the trolls and all those people on Twitter and
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maybe it's gonna be weird for a while as
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we split up. Maybe, you know, some of us are gonna say I'm not gonna be on social media at all.
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Some of us are gonna be split into like these private communities like slacks and discords, for example.
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I think at some point if
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Twitter goes
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badly as it seems to be going as of right now,
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now. I think at some point there will be a new thing that is not Mastodon. And I
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mean, I love open source projects, I tweeted about my Mastodon username just
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as a backup. I'm not using it. I never posted "created an account in 2018" and I
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still don't understand it. And that's the main problem with it. And yes, you
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can you know you're gonna send me a video about what Federation means what
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the Fediverse is if you are under the illusion that my mom is gonna sign up
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for a Mastodon instance hmm I mean come on seriously like this is a like the the
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it really feels like the Linux version of social media for people like us and
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And even people like us, like I struggle to understand it.
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So this is not gonna be it.
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Must I believe, I fundamentally believe
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that something like Twitter needs to exist
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and will exist again,
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but it's gonna be strange for a while
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because these things, you know, unless you wanna,
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you know, you said if watching Elon
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and his sycophants around Twitter
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feels like watching a speed running a social network.
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To me, it feels more than speed running.
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At the moment, it feels like improv.
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- They are improvising.
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Everything feels improvised.
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Like, "Ooh, I don't know, blue check mark?
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Yeah, go for it.
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Like, ooh, the official one?
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Maybe, oh, no, no, no, pull it.
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We're gonna do it later.
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Release notes?
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Yeah, write them like that.
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Ooh, but no, they are bad."
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Like, everything feels like it's been improvised,
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like on the spot. And it shouldn't be like that. Anyway, I think it's gonna be strange
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for a while. Yeah, I think a bunch of people in our community—and Twitter is made of
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all these communities, like that's why for years we've been saying things like Apple
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Twitter or video game Twitter or, you know, Pokemon Twitter. Like, Twitter is, by and
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large, Twitter is all of its sub-communities, and they happen organically, and they're not
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structured, like subreddits can be structured on Reddit, where you have clear sub-communities.
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It's more organic and chaotic, which has always been the fun aspect of Twitter, you know,
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to dip in and out of different social spheres, I guess. Something like it needs to exist,
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it won't for a while, because if an alternative comes out, you know, most people, thankfully,
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most business people are not like Elon, just throwing 44 billions at something he wanted
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to buy out of spite, I guess. Usually business people think about their investments and the
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companies they want to run, and it takes time to strategize, to come up with a plan. So
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If a Twitter alternative comes out, it'll be a while because it's not something you
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can improvise. That's how I feel about it. Yeah. So I don't know where that all ends
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or even where we ended up. I think the thing is, I think we don't know.
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We don't. It's impossible to keep track of it. It's impossible to know, but I think we
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all feel a certain way, and that feeling should be our North Star right now. Like, at some point,
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you gotta ask yourself, "If this thing makes you feel bad or gross, are you sure you want to
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continue using it?" We can't know how it's gonna go, but let's keep checking in on our feelings
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about this and I think a decision will just happen organically. I think it'll just happen
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naturally in our community and in other communities. If things go a certain direction, I think
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we'll just know if and when it's time to leave.
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If you want to find links to stuff we spoke about this week, head on over to the website
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relay.fm/connected/423. There you can become a member of connected pro which is a longer ad-free
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version of the show each and every week. This week Federico asked the unaskable question about MacOS
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and said something about mail.app. So leave it at that. And he bought an application. He bought an
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app on the app store. It was wild. He acquired an app. He acquired an app. I am working on my
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review as we speak. Good! First item does not work as Myke and Steven told me it would.
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On that web page there's also an email link you can send us feedback or follow up there. We love
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to hear what you think about the show. You can find us all online. Federico is the editor-in-chief
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of MacStories.net. Go check out Apple Frames. It's so good. I enjoyed when you do it all like the
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Apple journalist people we know like yes finally he's updated it like so many
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people use this it's really great and it makes everything look way more
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professional than just having a floating screenshot in your story or in your
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tweet or whatever yeah I'm gonna use them for my state of the app screenshots
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that's what I wanted it for Federico so they're gonna look much nicer this time
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so thank you it's good you can find Myke on a bunch of other shows here on relay
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FM you just mentioned state of the apps that's a upcoming cortex episode I
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I suppose towards the end of the year.
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So at some point soon in the future.
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- Recording it tomorrow.
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- Recording it tomorrow is what I've heard.
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- Oh nice. - Is what I've been told.
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- Yeah, so it's gonna be pretty soon.
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- Always know Daisy record Cortex
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because I can't get ahold of you.
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Like answer me five hours later.
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- You can find me online.
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I write at 512pixels.net
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and I'm the co-host of Mac Power Users here on Relay FM.
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Go check that show out.
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A big thank you to our members
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It's a fantastic community of a bunch of people
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who care about technology.
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- It's better than Twitter.
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- It's better than Twitter.
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It's way better and cheaper.
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- There are rules, they're enforced, you know?
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- Yeah, it's great. - Imagine.
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- It's fantastic.
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I'd like to thank our sponsors for this episode.
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And until next time, guys, say goodbye.
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- I'll be there with you. - Cheerio.