Connected

00:00:00 ◼   ► (upbeat music)

00:00:02 ◼   ► - From Relay FM, this is Connected, episode 432.

00:00:12 ◼   ► Today's show is brought to you by our excellent sponsors,

00:00:15 ◼   ► ZocDoc, Squarespace, and Capital One.

00:00:17 ◼   ► I'm one of your co-hosts, Federico Viticiu,

00:00:19 ◼   ► and it's my pleasure to introduce to you all,

00:00:21 ◼   ► Mr. Stephen Hackett.

00:00:22 ◼   ► Hello, Stephen.

00:00:24 ◼   ► - Hello, Federico.

00:00:25 ◼   ► Happy New Year.

00:00:27 ◼   ► - Happy New Year to you as well.

00:00:28 ◼   ► How are you?

00:00:29 ◼   ► - I am great.

00:00:30 ◼   ► It's a new year, new us.

00:00:34 ◼   ► - New year, new you, us, new us.

00:00:37 ◼   ► Are we new?

00:00:38 ◼   ► Maybe. - No.

00:00:39 ◼   ► Same Japes as always.

00:00:40 ◼   ► - Well, the Japes are unchanged, yes.

00:00:43 ◼   ► - I am joined by Mr. Federico Vittucci,

00:00:45 ◼   ► but also Mr. Myke Hurley.

00:00:47 ◼   ► Hello, Myke.

00:00:48 ◼   ► - Why did Federico get into, why did you do that?

00:00:51 ◼   ► - 'Cause I forgot how we do it. - Why did you go backwards?

00:00:53 ◼   ► - I forgot how we do it. - Okay, cool.

00:00:54 ◼   ► - To be perfectly honest. - I will note,

00:00:55 ◼   ► there is a special kind of intensity

00:00:58 ◼   ► even Federico starts the show.

00:00:59 ◼   ► - I know.

00:01:00 ◼   ► - Like it always catches me off guard

00:01:02 ◼   ► even though I know he's about to do it.

00:01:03 ◼   ► - Yeah, sometimes I have to bump down his volume

00:01:05 ◼   ► a little bit at the beginning,

00:01:06 ◼   ► 'cause it's like, it's kind of loud.

00:01:08 ◼   ► - Wow, you take away from the magic of it.

00:01:10 ◼   ► - It's just coming in too strong.

00:01:12 ◼   ► - Did you guys see Apple's doing this

00:01:14 ◼   ► Apple Business Connect thing

00:01:15 ◼   ► where you can put your company on Apple Maps?

00:01:18 ◼   ► - I saw that it's on Mac stories.

00:01:22 ◼   ► I saw that John posted something.

00:01:24 ◼   ► - Kind of thinking about putting a relay on there.

00:01:28 ◼   ► - Yeah, I spend the whole day painting

00:01:30 ◼   ► and fixing things around the house, so yeah.

00:01:32 ◼   ► - Why would you do that, Steven?

00:01:34 ◼   ► - I could like change the phone number randomly,

00:01:36 ◼   ► so like you hit call and sometimes you get Casey

00:01:38 ◼   ► and sometimes you get Rosemary.

00:01:39 ◼   ► - Wow, that's a good, no, I just get Casey.

00:01:42 ◼   ► - All the time.

00:01:43 ◼   ► - Why would you?

00:01:44 ◼   ► - It feels like we're gonna need a HR department.

00:01:47 ◼   ► - Yeah, I'm not doing it.

00:01:48 ◼   ► - If you do this.

00:01:50 ◼   ► - Speaking of addresses, I made a joke.

00:01:55 ◼   ► I don't know when this came out

00:01:56 ◼   ► because we recorded a bunch of episodes in advance

00:01:58 ◼   ► and then took like two weeks off.

00:02:01 ◼   ► But I got two lovely handwritten notes

00:02:03 ◼   ► in the relay PO box, one from Katie and one from Giovanni.

00:02:07 ◼   ► Both very nice, both of you have very nice handwriting

00:02:10 ◼   ► and wrote very nice things to us.

00:02:12 ◼   ► So thank you, I really enjoyed that.

00:02:15 ◼   ► - I don't know why this is,

00:02:17 ◼   ► like I don't know why this happened.

00:02:18 ◼   ► - Do you want me to just read out the PO box number

00:02:20 ◼   ► people can send me letters?

00:02:21 ◼   ► - I mean, but I'm pretty sure that's what happened before.

00:02:23 ◼   ► - I didn't read it, no, no, I just said it was out there

00:02:25 ◼   ► people found it I guess but it's I think as I have we I think we had the

00:02:31 ◼   ► conversation then and then subsequently me and you have had this conversation

00:02:34 ◼   ► again I'm like do you really want to bring this on yourself oh because I had

00:02:38 ◼   ► another idea that you did talk me out of yeah it's just like Stephen does things

00:02:43 ◼   ► I get excited and then like gets himself into a situation which is upset about

00:02:47 ◼   ► like logistics right so like when we did the mag tricky Stephen was like I'll

00:02:52 ◼   ► I'll ship them." And I was like, "Please don't do that."

00:02:54 ◼   ► And he's like, "No, it's no problem."

00:02:56 ◼   ► And then he hated it.

00:02:57 ◼   ► And then just a couple of weeks ago,

00:02:59 ◼   ► we had a very similar conversation where it was like,

00:03:02 ◼   ► "I'll do it."

00:03:03 ◼   ► And it's like, "If you do this, you're going to be so upset."

00:03:05 ◼   ► And like you are, and especially this one was like,

00:03:08 ◼   ► probably forever, you were going to have this problem going on.

00:03:11 ◼   ► So I just caution you right now.

00:03:13 ◼   ► - Steven, is this something that sort of carries over

00:03:18 ◼   ► into your personal life?

00:03:19 ◼   ► Like you getting yourself into things?

00:03:22 ◼   ► Sometimes. I feel like I'm... Despite the fact that you should know better? Sometimes.

00:03:26 ◼   ► I feel like it's worse at work because I just like trying crazy things and no one

00:03:29 ◼   ► can tell me no except for Myke. And Myke really can't tell me no, he just talks

00:03:33 ◼   ► sense into me. Which is good. Interesting, interesting. But it's true. It's true.

00:03:42 ◼   ► If you want to send me a nice letter though, it's P.O. Box 241714, Memphis, Tennessee 38124.

00:03:50 ◼   ► - A nice letter or an ice letter?

00:03:54 ◼   ► (laughing)

00:03:55 ◼   ► I guess I could also try to send you an ice letter.

00:03:57 ◼   ► - Like one of those swan sculpture things?

00:04:01 ◼   ► (laughing)

00:04:04 ◼   ► - It's not a very big PO box.

00:04:06 ◼   ► You're not like shoving it in there.

00:04:08 ◼   ► - If somebody sends an ice sculpture,

00:04:10 ◼   ► I will give them a thumbs up.

00:04:13 ◼   ► - If someone sends an ice sculpture,

00:04:14 ◼   ► I'll log back into Twitter and tweet a picture of it.

00:04:17 ◼   ► (laughing)

00:04:19 ◼   ► - You know it's gonna happen now, right?

00:04:22 ◼   ► - See, here's the issue, right?

00:04:24 ◼   ► All right, so I'm gonna give you a scenario here, Steven,

00:04:27 ◼   ► I'm gonna play this out, which is, again,

00:04:28 ◼   ► I still don't know why you've decided to do this,

00:04:30 ◼   ► but you brought it on yourself now.

00:04:32 ◼   ► I've listened to many podcasts over time

00:04:34 ◼   ► where they have had issues with the post office

00:04:37 ◼   ► after making their PO box public,

00:04:40 ◼   ► because what you need to understand is,

00:04:43 ◼   ► and you know this, right,

00:04:44 ◼   ► not just letters can be sent to PO boxes.

00:04:46 ◼   ► someone could send an ice sculpture to the PO box.

00:04:49 ◼   ► Someone could just send you a nice gift,

00:04:51 ◼   ► but like our PO box is the size of a shoebox.

00:04:53 ◼   ► So.

00:04:55 ◼   ► - Yeah, the way it works, you get a little note in there,

00:04:58 ◼   ► then you have to go to the counter.

00:04:59 ◼   ► And at least at our post office, the lady doesn't like me.

00:05:01 ◼   ► She's kind of mean to me after the calendar debacle.

00:05:05 ◼   ► And not debacle, she didn't enjoy that I delivered

00:05:09 ◼   ► 1300 calendars over the course of a month.

00:05:11 ◼   ► But you go and you're like, hey, I have this,

00:05:14 ◼   ► give me the ice sculpture.

00:05:15 ◼   ► - So how do you think it's gonna be now that there's all

00:05:18 ◼   ► these letters and parcels that are gonna start appearing

00:05:21 ◼   ► at the PO box?

00:05:22 ◼   ► - Don't send me anything that doesn't fit

00:05:24 ◼   ► in a standard letter envelope, how about that?

00:05:26 ◼   ► - I think you don't know how the internet works.

00:05:28 ◼   ► - Well, yeah, I have faith in the person that works.

00:05:30 ◼   ► - Just by saying, please don't, right?

00:05:33 ◼   ► Please don't.

00:05:35 ◼   ► - If you send me something bigger than a letterbox,

00:05:38 ◼   ► I will cut you out of the membership program

00:05:40 ◼   ► if you're a member, how about that?

00:05:41 ◼   ► There's a little skin in the game now for you.

00:05:43 ◼   ► No more connected pro for you.

00:05:44 ◼   ► - Well, but that just affects you, financial writer.

00:05:48 ◼   ► - I don't know how we got from doing a podcast about Apple

00:05:53 ◼   ► to threatening people.

00:05:55 ◼   ► - Yeah, that's like.

00:05:56 ◼   ► - Okay.

00:05:59 ◼   ► Kate says that the PO box is listed

00:06:01 ◼   ► on a page on the website.

00:06:02 ◼   ► What?

00:06:03 ◼   ► - I mean, there is a legal need for it to be listed,

00:06:06 ◼   ► I think, in the privacy.

00:06:08 ◼   ► - Oh yeah, it's on like the terms of the privacy page,

00:06:11 ◼   ► I bet.

00:06:12 ◼   ► - 'Cause of GDPR or something.

00:06:13 ◼   ► Which is probably how KT and Giovanni found it.

00:06:17 ◼   ► - Maybe, maybe.

00:06:18 ◼   ► Anything else to follow up when you talk about?

00:06:20 ◼   ► - Steven has two monitors now.

00:06:22 ◼   ► - Oh.

00:06:23 ◼   ► - Steven has two studio displays.

00:06:25 ◼   ► That's the thing that he did over the time.

00:06:28 ◼   ► - MacPower user members already know this.

00:06:29 ◼   ► - Well, but also do readers of your website

00:06:32 ◼   ► where you posted an article about the fact that you did it.

00:06:34 ◼   ► Like that's what I've linked to in our show.

00:06:37 ◼   ► - Yeah, that's why.

00:06:38 ◼   ► - You didn't really keep it particularly secret

00:06:40 ◼   ► to just MacPower users listeners

00:06:42 ◼   ► when you said, after just a few weeks,

00:06:46 ◼   ► I've fallen in love with the setup

00:06:47 ◼   ► of a pair of studio displays.

00:06:49 ◼   ► It's not like a secret.

00:06:50 ◼   ► - You're not gonna say anything,

00:06:51 ◼   ► you're just gonna say, hmm?

00:06:52 ◼   ► - Hmm.

00:06:53 ◼   ► - That's your comment.

00:06:54 ◼   ► - I mean, it's in the article,

00:06:55 ◼   ► I wanted two screens and--

00:06:56 ◼   ► - Oh, so you're saying read my blog.

00:06:58 ◼   ► Okay.

00:06:59 ◼   ► - This was the way to do it.

00:07:00 ◼   ► Can you read my blog?

00:07:02 ◼   ► This is big flip flop.

00:07:04 ◼   ► This is big flip flop energy right here, man.

00:07:08 ◼   ► Is it?

00:07:08 ◼   ► - It's nice that I think we're gonna talk about this later.

00:07:11 ◼   ► I think it's nice to change things up, you know?

00:07:15 ◼   ► Keep yourself on your toes, you know, with things,

00:07:18 ◼   ► including our setups.

00:07:20 ◼   ► I mean, sure, it's nice to have a setup that works for you

00:07:23 ◼   ► and it's stable, but after a while, like, you know,

00:07:27 ◼   ► we work in our, I want to say bedrooms.

00:07:29 ◼   ► I don't work in my bedroom anymore,

00:07:31 ◼   ► but I did it for many years.

00:07:33 ◼   ► None of us do anymore, but you know, we work from home

00:07:36 ◼   ► and it's fun to change things up.

00:07:38 ◼   ► It gets boring after a while, you know?

00:07:40 ◼   ► The flip-flop is not saying that I justify Steven because Steven takes it to the extreme

00:07:45 ◼   ► But in small doses the flip-flop is not previous the flip-flop is coming

00:07:50 ◼   ► Mm-hmm. Is it a flip-flop though that no because the studio display didn't exist when I brought my pro display XDR

00:07:56 ◼   ► No, but that's what I'm saying. The flip-flop isn't from what you've done now

00:08:00 ◼   ► It's about what you're going to do

00:08:02 ◼   ► Because you've now done this and like you're gonna Apple's gonna release a nicer monitor this year and then you're gonna go to that one

00:08:09 ◼   ► I mean I did save the boxes for these two displays.

00:08:12 ◼   ► You know.

00:08:13 ◼   ► Like here's the thing, it's good to know yourself, right?

00:08:16 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:08:17 ◼   ► And like, so I think that's a great thing, like keep the boxes because you're inevitably

00:08:19 ◼   ► gonna sell them in like three months time because you'll get like Studio Display Pro

00:08:23 ◼   ► or something, you know?

00:08:24 ◼   ► Maybe.

00:08:25 ◼   ► But yeah, they're quite nice.

00:08:26 ◼   ► I like having two displays.

00:08:27 ◼   ► Fancy.

00:08:28 ◼   ► I'm sitting in front of them right now.

00:08:30 ◼   ► So you're just like, you have these two displays and you're like just dragging windows across

00:08:35 ◼   ► displays like feeling really professional about them.

00:08:38 ◼   ► I know you're not familiar with the concept of good window management being an iPad user.

00:08:42 ◼   ► There's an energy today, man!

00:08:44 ◼   ► But on the Mac, you just put stuff where you want it!

00:08:48 ◼   ► We should take two weeks off, like, this is wild!

00:08:52 ◼   ► You sir make assumptions about me.

00:08:54 ◼   ► But you don't know the whole truth.

00:08:57 ◼   ► I've been up to things.

00:08:59 ◼   ► I listen to app stories, I know you're sitting there with a Mac Mini and you want a Mac Pro.

00:09:04 ◼   ► No, not quite.

00:09:06 ◼   ► What if it's a Cube?

00:09:07 ◼   ► will be revealed in due time. So anyways, yeah, two studio displays. I definitely

00:09:13 ◼   ► recommend if you get the studio display, definitely get the adjustable stand. I

00:09:17 ◼   ► think that's the one you have, Myke, as well. It's fantastic. The speakers are

00:09:21 ◼   ► great. The blog post is about, I wanted to have music coming out of both of them

00:09:25 ◼   ► and I was like, "How do I do this? How do I do this?" I was like, "Oh, Loopback can do

00:09:29 ◼   ► it." Because of course it can, and so the blog post just shows you how to do it

00:09:33 ◼   ► for the, you know, four people who have the similar setup. So I have two, two thousandths,

00:09:37 ◼   ► one that is just hilarious to me that like you're like no because I think you said this to me,

00:09:41 ◼   ► I have two sets of speakers so... Might as well use them. I just want music out of all of them,

00:09:46 ◼   ► yeah. But also where, what about the stick things? I, they are retired after like 15 years. No.

00:09:53 ◼   ► Yeah. Wow. The stick speakers, what are they called? Sound sticks. Is it Harman Kardon? It is.

00:10:01 ◼   ► And mine were like the really, really old ones.

00:10:04 ◼   ► And I think I'm sure I've shared this before,

00:10:06 ◼   ► but the right one was hot glued together.

00:10:08 ◼   ► It was really, I still have them.

00:10:10 ◼   ► They're in a box in the attic safe and sound.

00:10:13 ◼   ► Stephen, no one was questioning if you was keeping them.

00:10:18 ◼   ► Right? You?

00:10:20 ◼   ► Oh, did you get rid of something?

00:10:23 ◼   ► No, come on. No.

00:10:24 ◼   ► (laughing)

00:10:26 ◼   ► There was not a question on anyone's mind.

00:10:28 ◼   ► Stephen, can you do me a favor?

00:10:31 ◼   ► Of course.

00:10:31 ◼   ► Can you please fix a typo in the story?

00:10:34 ◼   ► Oh no, where's the typo?

00:10:36 ◼   ► Hot glue holding it together and together as a typo.

00:10:40 ◼   ► Oh, to get her to her.

00:10:42 ◼   ► Yeah, fix that.

00:10:43 ◼   ► To get her.

00:10:44 ◼   ► To get her.

00:10:45 ◼   ► To get her.

00:10:46 ◼   ► To get her.

00:10:47 ◼   ► Let me just take a screenshot of that.

00:10:51 ◼   ► Just so I know.

00:10:54 ◼   ► Also, let's talk about the mug.

00:10:56 ◼   ► Scrub Daddy.

00:10:57 ◼   ► You've got to listen to ingenious, man.

00:10:59 ◼   ► It's like a whole thing.

00:11:00 ◼   ► Scrub Daddy life Federico, it's the best.

00:11:03 ◼   ► - Okay, interesting.

00:11:04 ◼   ► I gotta find--

00:11:05 ◼   ► - Big Scrub Daddy energy.

00:11:06 ◼   ► I got Scrub Mommy at home now too.

00:11:08 ◼   ► - Scrub Daddy and Scrub Mommy.

00:11:10 ◼   ► - Scrub Daddy and Scrub Mommy.

00:11:12 ◼   ► - America's favorite sponge.

00:11:14 ◼   ► - It is the best sponge.

00:11:15 ◼   ► It is so good.

00:11:17 ◼   ► Scrub Daddy. - Scrub Daddy.

00:11:18 ◼   ► - Scrub Daddy. - Okay.

00:11:19 ◼   ► All right.

00:11:21 ◼   ► - Scrub me Daddy.

00:11:21 ◼   ► - Steven has embraced Scrub Daddy

00:11:25 ◼   ► as part of his persona now.

00:11:27 ◼   ► - Oh, I see.

00:11:27 ◼   ► - Yeah, you wanna see the tattoo.

00:11:29 ◼   ► (laughing)

00:11:31 ◼   ► - Where do you have it?

00:11:32 ◼   ► - I can't say.

00:11:33 ◼   ► You'll find it when you scrub me.

00:11:37 ◼   ► - There's no need to go on.

00:11:39 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:11:41 ◼   ► - Is that like in general?

00:11:42 ◼   ► (laughing)

00:11:44 ◼   ► - We've been doing the show nine years.

00:11:46 ◼   ► It's time.

00:11:48 ◼   ► Anyways, moving on.

00:11:51 ◼   ► Our friend Ryan has put together a cool GitHub page

00:11:57 ◼   ► that pulls a bunch of cool stats about show length

00:12:00 ◼   ► from Relay FM.

00:12:01 ◼   ► And there's other sites out there that do this.

00:12:03 ◼   ► Different people have tracked different things

00:12:05 ◼   ► over the years, which is incredible to me.

00:12:07 ◼   ► Ryan's, you can go through here and you can click on a show

00:12:10 ◼   ► and it gives you the longest and the shortest episode

00:12:12 ◼   ► and then you can see the average and that sort of thing.

00:12:15 ◼   ► Myke, do you wanna walk us through some of our own stats?

00:12:18 ◼   ► - Yeah, there are a couple of specific things.

00:12:21 ◼   ► The longest episode of Connected is episode 24,

00:12:25 ◼   ► a whole website in the palm of your hand.

00:12:28 ◼   ► This was when we did the like walkthrough

00:12:31 ◼   ► of the original iPad introduction keynote.

00:12:33 ◼   ► - Nice.

00:12:35 ◼   ► - Trying to recapture the magic

00:12:37 ◼   ► of that episode of the prompt, right?

00:12:38 ◼   ► The iPhone one.

00:12:39 ◼   ► And then the shortest episode is episode 90,

00:12:45 ◼   ► a set of unlucky coincidences, which is 48 minutes long.

00:12:50 ◼   ► I cannot tell any reason why this episode

00:12:52 ◼   ► is 48 minutes long, but it was.

00:12:55 ◼   ► And it was the episode where we introduced the IMAX T-shirt

00:12:59 ◼   ► that we did, 'cause Steven had just finished

00:13:01 ◼   ► his IMAX collection, and so we did like a commemorative

00:13:04 ◼   ► IMAX T-shirt with the three of us as little

00:13:06 ◼   ► cartoon characters, and Federico as Dave Grohl

00:13:09 ◼   ► in this thing.

00:13:11 ◼   ► Our average episode length is an hour and 28 minutes,

00:13:15 ◼   ► which I think is pretty good, to be honest.

00:13:18 ◼   ► I think it's kind of what we aim for,

00:13:19 ◼   ► so it's good to know. - It's not bad.

00:13:21 ◼   ► - Specifically an hour and 28 minutes is what we aim for,

00:13:24 ◼   ► So I'm happy that we met that.

00:13:26 ◼   ► - Yeah, we had many talks, you know, nine years ago.

00:13:29 ◼   ► We were like, hey guys, I always dreamed of doing like a show

00:13:32 ◼   ► that's an hour and 20 minutes long each week.

00:13:34 ◼   ► And you both were like, yeah, that's gonna be challenging.

00:13:37 ◼   ► And we don't know if we're gonna pull it off,

00:13:39 ◼   ► but turns out we did.

00:13:40 ◼   ► Really happy about that. - 88,

00:13:42 ◼   ► that's the one to go for, right?

00:13:43 ◼   ► - Yeah, yeah.

00:13:45 ◼   ► - I have like a little thing here,

00:13:46 ◼   ► which is just like, if I just go,

00:13:48 ◼   ► it's not 'cause it's not a quiz.

00:13:50 ◼   ► - You can't do that. - But it's like,

00:13:51 ◼   ► yeah, but it wasn't the full thing, right?

00:13:53 ◼   ► It's just like a little thing, which is more just like, I'll play that sound when I have

00:13:57 ◼   ► like a half a buzz.

00:14:00 ◼   ► It was more like a fifth.

00:14:02 ◼   ► I'll give it to you again.

00:14:04 ◼   ► All right.

00:14:05 ◼   ► It's just like, just enough to know that it's there.

00:14:10 ◼   ► And that is like a sound for Quizzys admin.

00:14:14 ◼   ► Welcome everyone.

00:14:15 ◼   ► We're doing some Quizzys admin.

00:14:16 ◼   ► You may remember in the past we have done on the Quizzys.

00:14:20 ◼   ► Oh, by the way, the scores are resetting.

00:14:22 ◼   ► So that's admin thing number one.

00:14:24 ◼   ► So the next time that we do the quizzes, we will be starting from score zero.

00:14:28 ◼   ► Can you give us a recap of our scores last year?

00:14:32 ◼   ► We will do this when the quizzes next happen because I will do the official resetting of

00:14:36 ◼   ► the scores then.

00:14:37 ◼   ► Got it.

00:14:38 ◼   ► That's just like admin point number one.

00:14:40 ◼   ► Admin point number two, I need help from the passionate ones.

00:14:44 ◼   ► So in the past, we did a survey called "Do You Know the Passionate Ones?" where you

00:14:50 ◼   ► guys had to guess the answers to a Google form right so I put out a Google

00:14:56 ◼   ► form it had like what's your favorite app and you had to try and guess the

00:14:59 ◼   ► preferences of the passionate ones I'm now flipping this around we will in the

00:15:04 ◼   ► future be playing a couple of rounds of a game called do the passionate ones

00:15:09 ◼   ► know you who okay so this will be questions about you two the listeners

00:15:17 ◼   ► will give their responses and you will have to try and guess what they think you like.

00:15:23 ◼   ► What they think of us. Wow. I like it. That's brilliant. I like it. But it will be like,

00:15:30 ◼   ► so they will be like, let's imagine what is Federico's favorite food. That's not in there,

00:15:35 ◼   ► but that's an example, right? Tricky question. You will both be guessing that answer. So

00:15:39 ◼   ► it won't just be Federico guessing that about himself. Federico will guess it about himself

00:15:43 ◼   ► and Steven will guess it about Fedorico and vice versa, you know, so you'll both get a chance to score points on those.

00:15:49 ◼   ► I like it. So that will be coming in the future. There'll be a link in the show notes for this

00:15:54 ◼   ► Google form. Please go fill it out and at some point over the next few weeks who could know when

00:16:00 ◼   ► we will do the first round or do the passionate ones know you.

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00:17:43 ◼   ► I want to talk about our website for a second if you would permit me

00:17:46 ◼   ► I know Myke you and Jason spoke a little bit about this on upgrade, but I want to do it here as well

00:17:53 ◼   ► people probably familiar with the fact that there have been some changes on some social media websites and

00:18:00 ◼   ► Some of us are not on them anymore

00:18:02 ◼   ► And for for years Twitter has been the the main way that we have gathered feedback and follow-up

00:18:09 ◼   ► You know people will reply to an episode tweet or just or just you know

00:18:13 ◼   ► Reach out on Twitter directly and that was fantastic for a really long time

00:18:17 ◼   ► but times have changed and in looking at how we wanted to

00:18:22 ◼   ► gather feedback and follow up moving forward. We really wanted to be able to build something that was

00:18:28 ◼   ► both really easy to use for everybody because yeah, there's always been an email link on the web page and you know

00:18:35 ◼   ► that will continue to be there but a lot of people

00:18:38 ◼   ► felt like that was the only way because they weren't on Twitter or whatever and so

00:18:43 ◼   ► or weren't in the Discord. And so now we've got a form at relay.fm/connected/feedback. Very simple form.

00:18:51 ◼   ► You plug in your name, email address, and a message. You can make it anonymous. If it's marked anonymous,

00:18:56 ◼   ► we actually don't see your name on the back end. It is truly anonymous even to us.

00:19:00 ◼   ► And we really just wanted something that was easy

00:19:02 ◼   ► for everybody to use and then easy for us and our other hosts on Relay to just have one place to go look for

00:19:09 ◼   ► for all their feedback and follow-up items. We do have plans to expand this.

00:19:15 ◼   ► So if you're a member and you're in the Discord, we want to be able to tie the

00:19:20 ◼   ► bot commands in Discord. Right now you can do several different commands to like provide feedback to certain shows and right now those go into

00:19:28 ◼   ► Google Sheets and we want to bring those into this system as well.

00:19:32 ◼   ► So we have plans to expand it over the coming months, but as a 1.0

00:19:36 ◼   ► it's out there now and we really think it's the the best way to send feedback and follow up. Again,

00:19:42 ◼   ► the email is always there, but we think that this is easier for everybody.

00:19:45 ◼   ► And there's like additional things we want to add like that you could denote if something was

00:19:50 ◼   ► Follow up or feedback or answers to questions or whatever like say like ask upgrade or whatever you'd be able to

00:19:57 ◼   ► Choose that when you're honest and that will be per specific show, right?

00:20:01 ◼   ► So each show would have their own set of things like if we were doing connected QA

00:20:06 ◼   ► We might turn that feature on for a little bit, right? So you could send in connected QA questions that way

00:20:10 ◼   ► Yeah

00:20:11 ◼   ► It does appear in the show notes for every episode too, and it's on the website. There's just a button that says submit feedback

00:20:17 ◼   ► We also have short URLs. So we have connected feedback calm

00:20:23 ◼   ► But I also bought something special for connected Federica. I think you might enjoy this

00:20:27 ◼   ► You can also send in your feedback by going to file a feedback calm nice

00:20:33 ◼   ► Nice, so that's you can if you want to file a feedback as people often like to tell us we should

00:20:39 ◼   ► There's a new way to do that. Just go to filerfeedback.com.

00:20:43 ◼   ► I love it.

00:20:44 ◼   ► File a feedback.

00:20:45 ◼   ► Great domain.

00:20:46 ◼   ► Yes.

00:20:47 ◼   ► Thank you.

00:20:48 ◼   ► I also got a domain. The forwarding isn't working yet because I bought it just this

00:20:51 ◼   ► morning. But longthigh.social will also go there.

00:20:55 ◼   ► Wow. That should also be my new Mastodon instance if you don't end up using it. The long thigh

00:21:01 ◼   ► social.

00:21:02 ◼   ► Long thigh dot social. This is like how I own 123 membership dot com and it goes to

00:21:08 ◼   ► connected membership of like, it's just a fun URL, but maybe it's less memorable,

00:21:12 ◼   ► but long thigh dot social, I think is for the real connoisseur, right?

00:21:16 ◼   ► Right. Yeah. It's like, you know,

00:21:19 ◼   ► like if you know, you know, long thigh dot social.

00:21:22 ◼   ► Connoisseur is a great word to describe the kind of people we try to appeal to on a weekly basis, you know?

00:21:29 ◼   ► Yeah, I love it. I love it. I think it's a great idea to have this feedback form, you know,

00:21:35 ◼   ► make it easy for people to send you thoughts and notes and links, whatever,

00:21:38 ◼   ► without, because you know, it's not nice to send an email, you know,

00:21:42 ◼   ► who likes to open an email just to send feedback to a podcast?

00:21:45 ◼   ► Instead you just go to a website and you type in a few words,

00:21:48 ◼   ► click submit and you're done. Boom. Super easy. Good idea. Very good idea.

00:21:52 ◼   ► Myke, I have a feedback item for you actually from Kate. Uh, they wrote,

00:21:56 ◼   ► I wrote this as you were recording, love the show. Thanks Kate.

00:21:59 ◼   ► Is there a deadline for filling in the, do the passionate ones know you form?

00:22:03 ◼   ► Not yet. I mean, I'm gonna see how the responses go over the next week and I'll give you like time

00:22:10 ◼   ► So maybe on next week's episode I'll say all right, you got one last reminder or clothes on whatever. Okay, whatever

00:22:15 ◼   ► So don't freak out about it, but do you know don't run but walk to it, you know, what? Yeah the phone walk to the form

00:22:22 ◼   ► I got a couple other feedback items now that we're in this part of the show. Okay?

00:22:26 ◼   ► It's just like a new second when we do live live. Yeah, where I go to the CMS and read things

00:22:33 ◼   ► Connor wrote in saying that I could shorten my name to SecDefFlex.

00:22:41 ◼   ► Remember Secretary Deflex? They apparently are in part of the Department

00:22:49 ◼   ► of Defense and there they refer to the Secretary of Defense as

00:22:54 ◼   ► SecDef, so SecDefFlex. It's pretty cool. SecDefFlex. SecDeflex.

00:23:01 ◼   ► Sector flex. If you say it fast it gets weird. I mean you could say some

00:23:07 ◼   ► some spicy things there, you know what I mean? That could be a real tongue twister.

00:23:12 ◼   ► I think anything you say fast enough can be weird. Just try and say Steven real fast, like multiple times.

00:23:23 ◼   ► Eventually it's gonna be weird. Yeah, you might summon him.

00:23:28 ◼   ► Hi! Anything else from the CMS? There are a couple that I'm that I'm gonna hold

00:23:34 ◼   ► until we do the next round of Ricky's because there's a couple people have

00:23:37 ◼   ► rules questions but there's one more title suggestion so we discussed what

00:23:43 ◼   ► would happen and we are just one game away from it happening where someone

00:23:47 ◼   ► holds you know all four titles so they the annual chairman the keynote

00:23:52 ◼   ► chairman they win they won the annual flexis and the event flexis which is

00:23:58 ◼   ► me I'm the person yes if you win the next keynote Ricky's then you would have

00:24:04 ◼   ► this assumedly drew wrote in to say personally I think when or if someone

00:24:09 ◼   ► consolidates power in the way that Myke may soon they should be given the title

00:24:13 ◼   ► daddy connected I like that isn't it all right like so I could be like what would

00:24:26 ◼   ► what could I what could I be right so I've got what why am I Archduke

00:24:32 ◼   ► Flexington again if you have both the annual and event flexes yeah the annual

00:24:41 ◼   ► and event flexes right so I so if I won okay so if I won the next keynote

00:24:49 ◼   ► Ricky's and the next keynote flexes I could be like the do we have a name for

00:24:57 ◼   ► the both chairmanship we don't right so I could be like because I've referred to

00:25:03 ◼   ► it before as the consolidated so right where do they think I could be the

00:25:07 ◼   ► consolidated chairman he's Archduke flexing turn daddy connected Myke Hurley

00:25:13 ◼   ► that's pretty good right yeah wow that's pretty good these are the types of

00:25:18 ◼   ► things you can look forward to on the show from now on with our new feedback form.

00:25:21 ◼   ► Yeah. Apple is back from Christmas break as well. Just yesterday we got a bunch of

00:25:26 ◼   ► betas including iPadOS and iOS 16.3 beta 2. Federico how is that going?

00:25:33 ◼   ► I really didn't want to start the year with this kind of energy but here we are

00:25:38 ◼   ► again I guess. There's nothing new in, well there's really nothing new in iOS I

00:25:44 ◼   ► I think there's only like one minor change

00:25:46 ◼   ► to how emergency calls work.

00:25:50 ◼   ► And there is not no, like there are no big changes

00:25:55 ◼   ► in iPadOS.

00:25:57 ◼   ► We all sort of hoped, thought that,

00:26:00 ◼   ► oh, surely Apple is gonna take some sweet time

00:26:03 ◼   ► after the release of iPadOS 16 to, you know,

00:26:05 ◼   ► listen to feedback and go back to the drawing board

00:26:07 ◼   ► for some features, maybe add some settings, you know,

00:26:10 ◼   ► spend some time over the holiday break

00:26:12 ◼   ► thinking about things and whatnot.

00:26:14 ◼   ► They shipped one change to Stage Manager in 16.3 Beta 2, and it's arguably a regression

00:26:23 ◼   ► from a previous behavior.

00:26:25 ◼   ► And it's the kind of change that makes me realize, or well, no, it doesn't make me realize,

00:26:31 ◼   ► it confirms my suspicion that at this point, the team in charge of Stage Manager has no

00:26:37 ◼   ► idea what they're doing anymore.

00:26:39 ◼   ► They're just throwing spaghetti features at the wall and trying to understand what works

00:26:44 ◼   ► and what doesn't. Specifically, so if you recall, last summer it used to be possible

00:26:53 ◼   ► in a workspace in Stage Manager. So you've got a bunch of windows open, right? You're

00:26:57 ◼   ► in a workspace and you have overlapping windows. Suddenly you want to focus on one of them.

00:27:04 ◼   ► It used to be that, and I'm talking like July, August, maybe early September, it used to

00:27:11 ◼   ► be that you could hit GLOBE F, you would temporarily make the selected window full screen, you

00:27:21 ◼   ► would maximize the window, and it used to be that you could hit GLOBE F again to restore

00:27:28 ◼   ► the previous size.

00:27:29 ◼   ► It was basically this very nice toggle that allowed you to take a workspace, you got multiple

00:27:34 ◼   ► overlapping windows, you want to focus on one of them for like two minutes, you do GLOBE

00:27:39 ◼   ► you do what you got to do and then Globe F again and you're done. I love that feature.

00:27:44 ◼   ► That feature didn't make the release of iPadOS 16. It was removed for whatever reason.

00:27:49 ◼   ► So the iPadOS 16 that shipped in October allowed you to Globe F a window,

00:27:58 ◼   ► so to turn a window into full screen while remaining in the active workspace.

00:28:06 ◼   ► So let's say that you got Safari Mail and Reminders in a workspace.

00:28:11 ◼   ► You select Safari, you hit Globe F. The iPadOS 16 that launched in October allowed you to

00:28:19 ◼   ► maximize the Safari window.

00:28:22 ◼   ► Reminders and, what did I say, Mail, would remain in the background, right?

00:28:27 ◼   ► And you would stay in that workspace just with Safari covering the other apps, because

00:28:32 ◼   ► you hit Globe F.

00:28:34 ◼   ► Now, in 16.3 Beta 2, this has completely changed.

00:28:40 ◼   ► Apple has completely changed the behavior of Globe F.

00:28:44 ◼   ► So now, if you have a workspace with multiple windows,

00:28:48 ◼   ► you select one of them and you hit Globe F,

00:28:50 ◼   ► what happens is that the selected window

00:28:56 ◼   ► becomes its own standalone workspace in full screen.

00:29:02 ◼   ► The other windows from the workspace, they get thrown back into the strip as a separate workspace.

00:29:11 ◼   ► So to go back to my previous example, you got Safari, Mail, and Reminders.

00:29:15 ◼   ► You select Reminders and you hit Globe F. In 16.3 Beta 2 what happens is Reminders become a

00:29:21 ◼   ► full screen space. Mail and Safari, they are booted out of the workspace, thrown back into

00:29:31 ◼   ► the strip as a workspace separate from the one of reminders now in full screen.

00:29:37 ◼   ► I don't like it. I can understand why they did it and I disagree with them.

00:29:48 ◼   ► The thing is, I understand how this works. I also think you're wrong about it because I feel like

00:30:00 ◼   ► Like Apple must have thought, "Oh, our users find it confusing that full screen now means

00:30:06 ◼   ► maximize, but there are still things behind the active window."

00:30:11 ◼   ► Because my concern, my fear is that this is what Apple is thinking, that they shipped

00:30:16 ◼   ► something that allowed you to make windows overlap and then they felt guilty about it.

00:30:24 ◼   ► So now they're trying to remove all instances in which, "Oh, there may be something on screen

00:30:30 ◼   ► behind the window that you don't see. So what do they do to fix this? Well, what if we change

00:30:36 ◼   ► the behavior of globeF, so now it makes a window fullscreen and it makes it its own

00:30:42 ◼   ► separate space. This is all wrong. I'm sorry, this just, it's not good. It's not good. If

00:30:50 ◼   ► you, the only way, I was talking to a friend about this behind the scenes, the only way

00:30:59 ◼   ► I could maybe sort of accept this, is do this, okay?

00:31:05 ◼   ► Get the other apps in the background, put them in the separate workspace.

00:31:11 ◼   ► But let me toggle again, GloBeF,

00:31:15 ◼   ► and put back those windows in the workspace as I left them.

00:31:20 ◼   ► It should be like a temporary...

00:31:23 ◼   ► It should be a temporary toggle.

00:31:26 ◼   ► But at that point, why not just return to the behavior of last summer,

00:31:34 ◼   ► where you could hit Glow Bef, make it full screen, hit Glow Bef again,

00:31:37 ◼   ► and you would see your windows?

00:31:39 ◼   ► Because in this state, in 16.3 Beta 2, this is another instance,

00:31:46 ◼   ► it's another example of Stage Manager rearranging things for you on your behalf.

00:31:51 ◼   ► It's just another item in that list of,

00:31:55 ◼   ► Here's all the instances in which stage manager

00:31:58 ◼   ► knows better than you and rearranges windows for you.

00:32:02 ◼   ► You make a window full screen by hitting Globe F,

00:32:04 ◼   ► well now the other windows in your workspace

00:32:06 ◼   ► are not there anymore.

00:32:08 ◼   ► I wish it was a joke, it's not a joke, it's how it works.

00:32:14 ◼   ► - It's very upsetting that they are doing

00:32:19 ◼   ► such drastic changes this far in.

00:32:23 ◼   ► that aren't the ones that people are asking for.

00:32:27 ◼   ► - No, no. - At least in our community.

00:32:29 ◼   ► - Like, yeah, no, they must justify this by saying,

00:32:34 ◼   ► "No, but we have the emails from people, you know,

00:32:37 ◼   ► sent to Craig and Tim Cook." - Which they may well do, right?

00:32:40 ◼   ► - I'm sure, I'm sure, I'm sure, I'm sure they do.

00:32:43 ◼   ► And hey, if you wanna follow those voices,

00:32:45 ◼   ► you know, be my guest, do that, you know,

00:32:51 ◼   ► Maybe we'll explore some alternatives.

00:32:54 ◼   ► We'll talk about this later, but yeah.

00:32:56 ◼   ► I don't understand this feature.

00:32:59 ◼   ► I don't understand this behavior.

00:33:00 ◼   ► You know what?

00:33:03 ◼   ► I'm honestly like running out of patience here.

00:33:06 ◼   ► Like if you can't ship, if you don't,

00:33:09 ◼   ► if maybe you, I don't know if the problem is that they don't

00:33:13 ◼   ► if they can't or they don't want to,

00:33:16 ◼   ► ship a multitasking, multi-windowing system

00:33:20 ◼   ► that works for pro users.

00:33:22 ◼   ► I honestly, and the thing is,

00:33:24 ◼   ► I honestly don't wanna care anymore.

00:33:26 ◼   ► It is what it is.

00:33:30 ◼   ► Let them do this crazy dance of,

00:33:34 ◼   ► we are in January, 2023,

00:33:36 ◼   ► we're still waiting for basic enhancements to stage manager,

00:33:39 ◼   ► and now they're changing the behavior

00:33:40 ◼   ► of what full screen means.

00:33:42 ◼   ► Like you just make up your mind already.

00:33:44 ◼   ► Anyway, yeah.

00:33:47 ◼   ► Apple was rumored to have a big year this year.

00:33:50 ◼   ► Over the weekend, Mark Gurman, in his newsletter,

00:33:53 ◼   ► had a whole bunch of stuff.

00:33:55 ◼   ► A headline seems to be that the AR/VR headset

00:33:59 ◼   ► is on track to be announced in the spring

00:34:02 ◼   ► with some sort of additional details

00:34:04 ◼   ► or developer story at WWDC and then launching in the fall.

00:34:08 ◼   ► That is dangerously close to Myke's risky pick

00:34:12 ◼   ► for the year.

00:34:13 ◼   ► We'll see how that pans out.

00:34:16 ◼   ► But in the wake of this, Gurman reports that basically everything else Apple works on is

00:34:21 ◼   ► going to have a pretty slow year.

00:34:23 ◼   ► So not big changes in iOS, iPadOS 17, MacOS whatever comes after Ventura.

00:34:32 ◼   ► A slower year for hardware as well.

00:34:34 ◼   ► The 15-inch MacBook Air seems to be on track, but that's about it.

00:34:38 ◼   ► No bigger Mac, no smaller MacBook, no bigger iMac, no larger iPad, and the Mac Pro seems

00:34:46 ◼   ► to be a pretty subdued upgrade over the Intel version. Curious what you guys

00:34:52 ◼   ► think about this. You're at a headset baby. That's what you gotta do. Push it all to the side.

00:34:57 ◼   ► It's all gotta go to the side. Like if you're gonna be serious about it, this has to

00:35:01 ◼   ► be the focus, right? That everything else has to take a backseat for this thing

00:35:05 ◼   ► or it's not gonna work. Well... And like everyone, you can have your own opinion

00:35:09 ◼   ► like I know like it's an interesting dovetail what Federico was just talking

00:35:12 ◼   ► about right like mm-hmm and I know why that will frustrate people like when if

00:35:17 ◼   ► iPad OS 17 doesn't have a lot or iOS 17 Mac OS whatever it's gonna be number was

00:35:22 ◼   ► doesn't have a lot of features it's gonna be frustrating or like if not a

00:35:27 ◼   ► lot of hardware ships this year it's gonna be frustrating but like if they

00:35:32 ◼   ► are serious about this brand new platform this big new hardware like this

00:35:39 ◼   ► has to be the focus of the year for a bunch of reasons whether it's for Apple's own internal

00:35:44 ◼   ► engineering or for like lightning load on developers to encourage them to explore this

00:35:49 ◼   ► development environment like you they got to go all in on it or don't do it and I think that

00:35:57 ◼   ► means like from a messaging perspective from like a focus for the year like it's headset headset

00:36:03 ◼   ► headset if it's going to work they got to go that I feel like they got to go that and then that

00:36:08 ◼   ► ties in with what my pick was, but what has been rumoured at this point quite a lot of like,

00:36:13 ◼   ► it will be basically every time Apple stands in front of an audience this year,

00:36:18 ◼   ► it will include some messaging about this product. And I think that's kind of the way it's got to be.

00:36:23 ◼   ► I think it's kind of it's kind of an odd topic to discuss because this is a product that we haven't

00:36:30 ◼   ► seen, that it's not out yet and we're already saying, "Oh, do I agree or disagree with this?"

00:36:35 ◼   ► Like I have no idea what my opinion is.

00:36:38 ◼   ► Like literally, like I see all these opinions,

00:36:41 ◼   ► like how can you have an opinion on something that is not?

00:36:43 ◼   ► Like, you know, but I'll say that maybe I have questions.

00:36:48 ◼   ► I see these rumors and I have questions.

00:36:52 ◼   ► And I just hope that, like I'm wondering

00:36:56 ◼   ► if we will be worth it to do all this

00:36:59 ◼   ► in the name of the headset, like will it be worth it?

00:37:02 ◼   ► you know, and broadly speaking,

00:37:05 ◼   ► I love VR gaming.

00:37:10 ◼   ► It's one of the things like,

00:37:11 ◼   ► I am so excited about PlayStation VR too, you know,

00:37:14 ◼   ► for example, it's coming in February, right, Myke?

00:37:17 ◼   ► - Yeah. - Yeah.

00:37:19 ◼   ► - Yeah, I think you're more excited than PlayStation,

00:37:22 ◼   ► you know, it's a conversation for another time.

00:37:25 ◼   ► - But that's the thing, like,

00:37:26 ◼   ► I know that wearing a headset for, you know,

00:37:29 ◼   ► short bursts of playtime, both by myself and with friends.

00:37:34 ◼   ► It makes for great multiplayer sessions,

00:37:38 ◼   ► especially if you had a few glasses of wine,

00:37:40 ◼   ► like everybody's laughing.

00:37:41 ◼   ► There's one of us wearing the headset, like it's funny.

00:37:44 ◼   ► I did it before, it's great.

00:37:46 ◼   ► I am, I continue to be very skeptical about the idea

00:37:52 ◼   ► of wearing something on your face.

00:37:55 ◼   ► Like it's literally like a headset,

00:37:57 ◼   ► like a visor on your face when you're not playing.

00:38:02 ◼   ► Like I really, really fundamentally struggle

00:38:08 ◼   ► to imagine a scenario in which I'm home, Sylvia's home,

00:38:13 ◼   ► and I'm the jerk wearing the headset

00:38:15 ◼   ► and be like, "Oh, let me be.

00:38:16 ◼   ► I'm in my little fancy AR world.

00:38:19 ◼   ► I don't wanna talk to you or whatever."

00:38:21 ◼   ► Like I really struggle to imagine that,

00:38:23 ◼   ► like that sort of a physical isolation

00:38:26 ◼   ► and sure Apple is going to have the outward phasing display.

00:38:29 ◼   ► By the way, I really want to see what that's going to look like in the end,

00:38:32 ◼   ► if it's awkward or not.

00:38:34 ◼   ► But I think it's a very fundamental question of, you know,

00:38:38 ◼   ► we are already surrounded by technology that isolates us, you know,

00:38:44 ◼   ► and it's one of those things where like, and I try to make an effort

00:38:47 ◼   ► and I know that my friends are trying to make an effort, you know,

00:38:49 ◼   ► like for example, when you go out at dinner with people,

00:38:52 ◼   ► try and put your phone face down on the table so that, you know,

00:38:55 ◼   ► we're not looking at our phones or trying to put on do not disturb so we don't look at our notifications.

00:39:00 ◼   ► And so when it comes to putting something literally in front of your eyes, blocking you out from people,

00:39:07 ◼   ► it's something that makes me very skeptical.

00:39:09 ◼   ► At the same time, I know that for very specific applications

00:39:14 ◼   ► there could be lots of value there.

00:39:17 ◼   ► And down the road in the future when this technology becomes less obtrusive, like, or if they can make, you know,

00:39:24 ◼   ► regular eyeglasses that show you information in front of your eyes.

00:39:28 ◼   ► Like, sure, that's going to be awesome.

00:39:29 ◼   ► But the question I have, will all of this be worth it for a headset that I can only

00:39:38 ◼   ► realistically imagine wearing for like an hour at a time if I'm not bothering other

00:39:43 ◼   ► people around me by wearing it and therefore isolating myself from what's

00:39:48 ◼   ► surrounding me? Will it be worth it?

00:39:50 ◼   ► Right, but if you think the idea of AR glasses is a good idea, they can only get to that with this.

00:39:57 ◼   ► So like, if you... Well, do you need to get to this in public?

00:40:02 ◼   ► Yeah, that's what I was going to say. You could get to this and never ship this thing.

00:40:06 ◼   ► Yeah. No, I don't know if that's possible. Genuinely, I don't know if that's possible.

00:40:10 ◼   ► Like, I'm not going to build it for Apple by wearing the headset.

00:40:17 ◼   ► Right, but it's like you get to the iPad by having an iPhone or like whatever.

00:40:25 ◼   ► You know what, I feel like that there is...

00:40:27 ◼   ► Or let me ask you this though, let me ask you this and answer honestly.

00:40:31 ◼   ► Or is it the hunger for having a new hit of a product?

00:40:36 ◼   ► I mean, well that's always there. Like that's part of it for sure, right?

00:40:41 ◼   ► But I do think it's both things.

00:40:44 ◼   ► I think that they have to start with something.

00:40:49 ◼   ► You can't go straight to AR glasses,

00:40:52 ◼   ► like really advanced AR glasses.

00:40:53 ◼   ► Especially again, that would take a really long time,

00:40:57 ◼   ► a lot of money and a lot of investment to get right.

00:40:59 ◼   ► If people don't like the headset,

00:41:02 ◼   ► then they just don't need to continue, right?

00:41:04 ◼   ► But if they're going to go all in on AR glasses

00:41:08 ◼   ► before they do anything,

00:41:09 ◼   ► well, you don't have any way of testing

00:41:12 ◼   ► even the beginning of the market, right?

00:41:14 ◼   ► I feel like if the future is AR glasses,

00:41:18 ◼   ► I think you've got to start here.

00:41:20 ◼   ► Right?

00:41:21 ◼   ► Which is like, you know, we had big desktops before we had laptops.

00:41:24 ◼   ► Like, I think that that's the path.

00:41:26 ◼   ► Right. But yeah, for me, there's like the line in the sand for me is,

00:41:32 ◼   ► you know, put something on your face.

00:41:33 ◼   ► Like, I really cannot go past that point.

00:41:36 ◼   ► Like, sure, I, you know, they're making giant monitors.

00:41:39 ◼   ► Okay. They're making a watch for your wrist.

00:41:42 ◼   ► All right.

00:41:43 ◼   ► They made phones small, and then they made phones regular,

00:41:46 ◼   ► and then they made phones big.

00:41:47 ◼   ► OK.

00:41:48 ◼   ► And then they made computers big and small, Mac Mini.

00:41:51 ◼   ► They made a cube.

00:41:52 ◼   ► They made an iMac.

00:41:53 ◼   ► OK.

00:41:53 ◼   ► They made an Apple TV.

00:41:55 ◼   ► Sure.

00:41:55 ◼   ► They made an iPad.

00:41:56 ◼   ► Fine.

00:41:57 ◼   ► They made an iPad Mini.

00:41:58 ◼   ► All right.

00:41:58 ◼   ► Good.

00:41:59 ◼   ► But something on your-- and they made the AirPods.

00:42:01 ◼   ► Great.

00:42:02 ◼   ► But something in front of your eyes and your forehead?

00:42:06 ◼   ► You're just wearing it?

00:42:07 ◼   ► Like, for how long?

00:42:09 ◼   ► I don't know.

00:42:11 ◼   ► Even VR, like after a while it makes you look like an idiot.

00:42:15 ◼   ► You know?

00:42:16 ◼   ► It's just there.

00:42:18 ◼   ► Like put something on your face and look silly.

00:42:22 ◼   ► But these are arbitrary lines though, right?

00:42:24 ◼   ► Like you're good of all of these things up until that point and that's the line that

00:42:29 ◼   ► you've drawn and like I would argue that society is also drawing that line, right?

00:42:34 ◼   ► And I'm not saying that that isn't the line either but like these are just lines that

00:42:39 ◼   ► drawn until they're redrawn?

00:42:41 ◼   ► - Yeah, I don't know.

00:42:41 ◼   ► I think for me, it's pretty clear cut.

00:42:44 ◼   ► Like anything that goes in front of your mouth

00:42:45 ◼   ► and goes in front of your eyes, it's kind of awkward.

00:42:47 ◼   ► - So no Dyson headphones for you then.

00:42:49 ◼   ► (laughing)

00:42:50 ◼   ► - Exactly, like have you looked at those?

00:42:52 ◼   ► Like, I mean, come on.

00:42:54 ◼   ► (laughing)

00:42:55 ◼   ► I don't know.

00:42:56 ◼   ► Look, the thing is, I am excited.

00:42:58 ◼   ► I wanna make this clear.

00:43:00 ◼   ► I am excited about this technology.

00:43:02 ◼   ► If they made eyeglasses with AR features,

00:43:06 ◼   ► I would buy a pack of them.

00:43:08 ◼   ► Like I would literally buy five of them. I just use a different one each day.

00:43:13 ◼   ► I don't know why, but I would do it. Just see it's an exaggeration to drive home my point.

00:43:17 ◼   ► My problem is, you know, covering my face. Anyway, yeah.

00:43:23 ◼   ► We'll see. It may be a very weird year to cover Apple if this blueprint comes to pass.

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00:44:58 ◼   ► for the support of connected and relay FM. It's a new year, some people set resolutions and I

00:45:05 ◼   ► thought it would be fun to talk about some new year's tech resolutions that we may have and

00:45:11 ◼   ► we will do this in true round robin style. Myke do you want to kick us off? As you can imagine

00:45:18 ◼   ► I eschew the resolutions idea. Ah yes here we go. I have a whole personal brand around

00:45:26 ◼   ► resolutions not being a thing. So I will be expressing mine as themes. So I have three

00:45:33 ◼   ► themes and it's fun. My first one is optimism. So I'm going to treat this as a year of optimism

00:45:40 ◼   ► specifically around the upcoming headset because what I don't... So I'm remembering, the reason

00:45:49 ◼   ► I thought about this is there was a number of years ago, I don't remember what was happening

00:45:53 ◼   ► or why I did this, but I decided that I was going to have a year of optimism around Apple products

00:46:01 ◼   ► because there was a malaise at the time. Everyone was upset about everything, hardware, software.

00:46:08 ◼   ► It was the year of the MacBook Pro keyboard. It was that period of time.

00:46:12 ◼   ► I think you're right, yeah, because I remember it was, I think it was the first...

00:46:17 ◼   ► 2016 or something.

00:46:19 ◼   ► Maybe the first San Jose WWDC. It was the scooter year, I think.

00:46:22 ◼   ► Like, maybe it was the second San Jose WWDC.

00:46:25 ◼   ► And it was just like, I was getting tired of being mad and sad on my content.

00:46:31 ◼   ► Right? Like, I just didn't want to be that way anymore.

00:46:32 ◼   ► So I chose, I was going to try and see the positive side of things.

00:46:37 ◼   ► So I am choosing the optimism side of this.

00:46:40 ◼   ► So here's what I will say as a...

00:46:42 ◼   ► Some counterpoints to Federico's arguments.

00:46:46 ◼   ► I'm not going to count all of them because some of them I do agree with.

00:46:48 ◼   ► like shutting yourself off from the world is something that I'm concerned about but my hope

00:46:53 ◼   ► is that they're gonna find some way of making it a bit better and or like you just use it for an

00:46:57 ◼   ► hour at a time or whatever like to be honest using our phones shuts us off from the world as well it's

00:47:02 ◼   ► just in like a different kind of way. Here's what I'm pitching for why I'm gonna be optimistic about

00:47:07 ◼   ► this. I like VR. I like VR in general. I like VR for uh for games. I've tried some productivity

00:47:14 ◼   ► stuff in VR and I think it's really interesting so I want to stay open-minded about that especially

00:47:19 ◼   ► to see whatever Apple is doing because I'm going to naturally assume that the software experience

00:47:25 ◼   ► is better than the software experiences I've tried elsewhere because if it's not then there's no

00:47:29 ◼   ► point in them doing it right? I am holding out judgment for like an iPhone OS level of wow

00:47:40 ◼   ► Right? Like, at some point, they're going to wow us again in a similar way to that.

00:47:47 ◼   ► It could take another 15 years, right? But, you know, I remember back to how it felt to watch

00:47:54 ◼   ► that keynote and for them to take what we thought they were doing and display it to us in a way that

00:48:03 ◼   ► we never could have conceived of. Like, they just built an operating system that didn't look or act

00:48:08 ◼   ► like anything else that had existed before.

00:48:10 ◼   ► Do I believe they're going to do it this time?

00:48:13 ◼   ► Yes and no, I don't know.

00:48:15 ◼   ► But I feel like this is the first place

00:48:18 ◼   ► where they where they have that opportunity again.

00:48:21 ◼   ► Like not going to happen with the iPad,

00:48:22 ◼   ► wasn't going to happen with the Apple Watch,

00:48:25 ◼   ► but a thing where you could create this beautiful 3D environment

00:48:29 ◼   ► with whole new ways of working, of like of how software can work,

00:48:34 ◼   ► of how notifications can look, how apps can look, experiences like

00:48:37 ◼   ► this is the first, I think, time where since the iPhone,

00:48:42 ◼   ► they will be able to truly wow us.

00:48:45 ◼   ► And so I'm, at this point, months, you know,

00:48:48 ◼   ► between three to six months before we're going to see it,

00:48:50 ◼   ► I am choosing to believe that that is a possibility.

00:48:53 ◼   ► And that headset hardware that they have could be very,

00:48:59 ◼   ► I think it will be very interesting,

00:49:00 ◼   ► whether it's good or bad, it's going to be interesting.

00:49:02 ◼   ► But nevertheless, this whole endeavor

00:49:06 ◼   ► will be fertile ground for interesting shows.

00:49:09 ◼   ► And so I am choosing to be optimistic,

00:49:12 ◼   ► even if my co-hosts are pessimistic,

00:49:14 ◼   ► that's still interesting content,

00:49:16 ◼   ► 'cause we can debate it.

00:49:18 ◼   ► But I am choosing to be optimistic and positive

00:49:22 ◼   ► about whatever it is that they're gonna make.

00:49:24 ◼   ► Because at this point, you can just choose one path

00:49:27 ◼   ► and I'm purposely choosing glass half full.

00:49:32 ◼   ► - You mean like glasses half full?

00:49:33 ◼   ► - Yes.

00:49:34 ◼   ► Although that wouldn't be so good if the glasses were only half full, right?

00:49:39 ◼   ► Cause then one eye is going to work.

00:49:41 ◼   ► My first one is fixing my iCloud shared photo library.

00:49:46 ◼   ► So when this feature came out,

00:49:48 ◼   ► I turned it on and basically dumped my wife and I's basically our entire photo

00:49:53 ◼   ► libraries into one shared family photo library.

00:49:57 ◼   ► It's a disaster in there. There's a bunch of photos.

00:50:02 ◼   ► I don't know why or how.

00:50:03 ◼   ► There's a ton of photos that she's taken over the years

00:50:05 ◼   ► that have just no location data.

00:50:08 ◼   ► There's things with wrong dates, lots of missing faces,

00:50:11 ◼   ► nothing has tags.

00:50:12 ◼   ► This is made worse that your shared library

00:50:16 ◼   ► doesn't have albums.

00:50:17 ◼   ► You can still have albums in your own library.

00:50:20 ◼   ► So I'm gonna keep some albums for like,

00:50:22 ◼   ► she doesn't need my photos that I take for articles

00:50:25 ◼   ► and stuff that I keep, right?

00:50:26 ◼   ► Like of hardware and things.

00:50:27 ◼   ► But for family photos, I had a bunch of those in albums.

00:50:31 ◼   ► And I want to get to a point where between faces, GPS, maybe some specific tagging, I

00:50:38 ◼   ► can find anything I want.

00:50:40 ◼   ► But it's a mountain of work.

00:50:42 ◼   ► I slowly chip away at it.

00:50:43 ◼   ► Like if I have kind of a quiet afternoon, I might open photos and, you know, put half

00:50:47 ◼   ► an hour in.

00:50:48 ◼   ► I have a couple of smart albums, one for images with no location, one for images with no tag.

00:50:54 ◼   ► So I can start to sort through these things, but it's going to be great when it's done.

00:50:59 ◼   ► is just a lot of work between here and there. But I'm very excited about it. Very side

00:51:06 ◼   ► question. I'm happy, I know you love photo management so it's gonna be great, but

00:51:10 ◼   ► just as a this is not connected but I just wanted to know. No it is connected

00:51:14 ◼   ► it's literally the name of the show. Did you fix the advanced data protection

00:51:17 ◼   ► thing for Mary? I have not tried again so when I tried getting the key it would

00:51:23 ◼   ► just sit there and I've not made it back to that but I need to also the clock's

00:51:30 ◼   ► ticking Apple it's a new year I want this feature come on give it to me give

00:51:35 ◼   ► it give it to Myke it's gonna come right after the Apple card I'm sure so my

00:51:39 ◼   ► first resolution theme is - yes I want to explore more technology outside of

00:51:49 ◼   ► Apple. The year of Linux! The Linux on the Italian desktop. Well I got it on my Steam deck so I'm

00:52:01 ◼   ► halfway there. To be fair it was the year of Linux last year for that reason. It literally was.

00:52:07 ◼   ► Maybe the most successful year Linux has ever had. Finally. No but the thing is 2022 was a

00:52:17 ◼   ► a challenging year for me in terms of covering the things I want to cover.

00:52:22 ◼   ► And they, you know, I mean, look at iPadOS and how they butchered my boy, you know,

00:52:28 ◼   ► look at what they did to my boy.

00:52:36 ◼   ► His windows are everywhere.

00:52:41 ◼   ► And as I can, as you can tell from the previous segment,

00:52:47 ◼   ► I'm tired of complaining.

00:52:49 ◼   ► Like, I don't work for Apple.

00:52:52 ◼   ► I'm not their consultant.

00:52:55 ◼   ► I love tablets.

00:52:57 ◼   ► I just, I love convertible computers.

00:52:59 ◼   ► And I love the iPad.

00:53:01 ◼   ► I love the idea.

00:53:02 ◼   ► I firmly believe in the idea of a computer

00:53:05 ◼   ► that can be many computers, you know?

00:53:08 ◼   ► It's just something that makes me happy.

00:53:10 ◼   ► And I'm tired of feeling upset

00:53:14 ◼   ► every time I try to use iPadOS and it doesn't do what I want to.

00:53:19 ◼   ► And so I've been thinking about this over the holidays.

00:53:22 ◼   ► I've been thinking about this for the past few months.

00:53:24 ◼   ► You know, I don't want to end up in a situation where I hate

00:53:30 ◼   ► the things I want to write about.

00:53:33 ◼   ► And I don't like, you know, me, I don't like to be locked into options.

00:53:39 ◼   ► I don't like to be forced to do something.

00:53:42 ◼   ► So there's many things that I want to do. And I also think doing this will be good for me as a

00:53:49 ◼   ► person. I love technology and I feel like over the past few years, maybe four to five years,

00:53:57 ◼   ► I haven't been knowledgeable enough about other technology. And there's a world out there,

00:54:06 ◼   ► like I don't want to try Linux on the desktop, but there's a world of Android devices,

00:54:11 ◼   ► of Windows devices, of web services that like are not just apps for Apple platforms, like

00:54:19 ◼   ► stuff that you can try and works everywhere.

00:54:22 ◼   ► And I feel like I don't know enough.

00:54:24 ◼   ► And I feel like I'm pretty boxed in at the moment.

00:54:29 ◼   ► And I don't like that feeling.

00:54:30 ◼   ► And that combined with like every single time, you know, I find something that upsets me

00:54:36 ◼   ► about IPadS or a new beta comes out and there's a change that upsets him like you know what

00:54:43 ◼   ► maybe it's time to try something else and so this year I want to become more knowledgeable

00:54:47 ◼   ► about other things and I've been doing things behind the scenes we'll talk about them soon

00:54:54 ◼   ► you know and I've been moving in that direction because I think it's I and I think it'll make

00:55:00 ◼   ► me a better writer about Apple stuff if I also know how the bigger world of technology

00:55:08 ◼   ► operates and what it looks like.

00:55:10 ◼   ► So yeah, that's what I want to do this year.

00:55:11 ◼   ► I want to explore other options for technology outside of Apple because I feel like I don't

00:55:15 ◼   ► know enough about them and I feel pretty dissatisfied with the technology that I use at the moment

00:55:21 ◼   ► and I don't like feeling dissatisfied but also I'm not in a position of power at Apple

00:55:27 ◼   ► to change things the way I would like them to be.

00:55:29 ◼   ► So maybe try to try something else

00:55:31 ◼   ► and see if the grass is greener on the other side

00:55:34 ◼   ► or just a different type of grass,

00:55:36 ◼   ► or maybe it's not green at all.

00:55:38 ◼   ► Like, let's see what the grass looks like.

00:55:40 ◼   ► So yeah, I guess in 2023, I will touch grass,

00:55:44 ◼   ► as the kids say.

00:55:45 ◼   ► (laughing)

00:55:47 ◼   ► - I feel like you've seen Avatar too many times,

00:55:49 ◼   ► you know what I mean?

00:55:49 ◼   ► Like, what color's the grass in a reality, you know?

00:55:53 ◼   ► It's Pandora grass, is what he's looking for.

00:55:56 ◼   ► Have you seen the Lenovo Yoga Book 9i dual screen foldable laptop?

00:56:01 ◼   ► Oh, have I seen that?

00:56:02 ◼   ► I think it's in I really think it's an incredible idea.

00:56:06 ◼   ► But you guys should.

00:56:09 ◼   ► I want you to buy that computer so we can talk about it.

00:56:12 ◼   ► So I want to know what you think of that computer.

00:56:14 ◼   ► Don't worry, Myke, I got you covered.

00:56:17 ◼   ► We'll have plenty of things to talk about this year.

00:56:21 ◼   ► That is that's round one.

00:56:23 ◼   ► We've been moving around to.

00:56:25 ◼   ► Mine is completing an inventory of my Apple collection. I don't have an updated

00:56:33 ◼   ► inventory. My old system was literally an Apple Note and so I built a very fancy

00:56:38 ◼   ► Google spreadsheet that has like lots of drop downs and things so I can say oh

00:56:42 ◼   ► this is a desktop this is the year this came out all those things. I'm very

00:56:46 ◼   ► excited about it. I have started on it I've gotten a little bit into this but

00:56:50 ◼   ► this is a project that I fully intend on having complete hopefully in the early

00:56:55 ◼   ► part of the year. And one reason I did it in Google Sheets is so I can make it

00:57:00 ◼   ► public so people can poke around in there and they have questions about

00:57:04 ◼   ► something, you know, hit me up on the feedback form, for instance.

00:57:07 ◼   ► Google Sheets. Rest in peace, Devon. Yeah, Google Sheets is an interesting choice

00:57:11 ◼   ► for this, like, because Notion and Craft can also be public. I looked at a bunch

00:57:15 ◼   ► of things here. I looked at Airtable. I looked at, what is it, I looked at

00:57:22 ◼   ► something else that was like an online spreadsheet thing. I looked at Notion,

00:57:25 ◼   ► looked at Kraft, but I was like, you know what, I already spend all day in Google Docs and

00:57:30 ◼   ► Sheets and know how it works really well and I want to do this once and then just

00:57:34 ◼   ► update it over the years and I don't think Google Sheets is going anywhere. So

00:57:38 ◼   ► it felt like a very stable option. Trust Google not to get rid of things. If they get rid of

00:57:44 ◼   ► Google Sheets the world will explode. Something bad happens. I'll put a view link in the

00:57:49 ◼   ► Discord so people can kind of see what I'm talking about here. So you guys can look at this as well

00:57:54 ◼   ► Got manufacturer product name. Oh, it's good-looking. Thank you. This is the new like drop-down style that they're that they're rolling out

00:58:03 ◼   ► Pretty sweet you released specs condition and then coverage if I've written about it or talked about it somewhere

00:58:10 ◼   ► I'm gonna try to have those links there as well, which is mostly for me. So I know like what I own

00:58:16 ◼   ► Yeah, versus what I've talked about. Can it go in the show notes? Yeah. Yeah, it can go in the show notes

00:58:20 ◼   ► Just understand that it's very clearly not done. Like there's 12 rows in here

00:58:25 ◼   ► There's gonna be like 160 when I'm done. All right, so my

00:58:28 ◼   ► Second theme is to finalize my smart home setup

00:58:34 ◼   ► And I'm almost there. So to give you an update we settled on the two Amazon echoes as

00:58:42 ◼   ► speakers for my TV

00:58:44 ◼   ► With the fire TV stick everything is working beautifully, you know

00:58:48 ◼   ► going with that

00:58:51 ◼   ► But there's other things that I want to finalize more specifically recently. I discovered that our

00:58:57 ◼   ► house is

00:58:59 ◼   ► wired

00:59:00 ◼   ► into this built-in home automation system

00:59:04 ◼   ► Based on a standard called K and X. I think it stands for

00:59:10 ◼   ► connects at least that's

00:59:12 ◼   ► That's bad.

00:59:13 ◼   ► That's so bad.

00:59:14 ◼   ► Connected.

00:59:15 ◼   ► It's very bad.

00:59:15 ◼   ► That's what we should call the show.

00:59:17 ◼   ► Yeah, connects.

00:59:19 ◼   ► So anyway, KNX.

00:59:21 ◼   ► And basically, I discovered that,

00:59:26 ◼   ► so the building company wanted to sell me

00:59:29 ◼   ► this gateway device that would give me access

00:59:33 ◼   ► to an app on my phone to control things

00:59:36 ◼   ► like every single electrical outlet,

00:59:39 ◼   ► every single light switch,

00:59:41 ◼   ► and all the blinds, like all the windows in the apartment.

00:59:46 ◼   ► And then I was like, interesting, but I did some research

00:59:51 ◼   ► and I discovered that there's a world out there

00:59:55 ◼   ► of compatible third-party gateway devices

01:00:00 ◼   ► that need to be professionally installed

01:00:02 ◼   ► by technicians in your home.

01:00:03 ◼   ► It's not something you can do yourself.

01:00:07 ◼   ► And so basically I found this way to have,

01:00:11 ◼   ► basically bring HomeKit and Alexa compatibility to my home

01:00:17 ◼   ► by actually physically wiring a gateway device

01:00:22 ◼   ► into my home automation system.

01:00:25 ◼   ► Which means soon enough I will be able in theory

01:00:29 ◼   ► to have access to every single thing in HomeKit.

01:00:34 ◼   ► every light switch, every outlet, all the windows,

01:00:39 ◼   ► like open the windows and close the blinds, whatever,

01:00:44 ◼   ► like all of that.

01:00:46 ◼   ► Humidity sensors, air quality sensors, the temperature,

01:00:50 ◼   ► the heating system, the AC system,

01:00:54 ◼   ► like every single thing will show up in HomeKit

01:00:58 ◼   ► because there will be this bridge and it's not software,

01:01:01 ◼   ► it's a hardware bridge.

01:01:03 ◼   ► It actually requires ethernet,

01:01:07 ◼   ► so I will have to wire the entire apartment,

01:01:11 ◼   ► and I've been talking to this company,

01:01:13 ◼   ► local in Rome, about it.

01:01:15 ◼   ► But that will give me much, much greater access

01:01:19 ◼   ► in terms of controlling my home from Siri and Alexa.

01:01:23 ◼   ► That's also the thing that I really wanted to have,

01:01:25 ◼   ► compatibility with two systems at the same time.

01:01:29 ◼   ► It's gonna be an expensive job,

01:01:31 ◼   ► but I really want to do it.

01:01:33 ◼   ► And the thing is, this will allow me to finally fix something

01:01:36 ◼   ► that has always bothered me,

01:01:38 ◼   ► which is if you use Philips Hue lights,

01:01:41 ◼   ► but you turn off the light switch,

01:01:44 ◼   ► the light stops working,

01:01:45 ◼   ► unless you want to install the switches from Philips,

01:01:48 ◼   ► which I don't want to do,

01:01:49 ◼   ► because we have nicer looking physical switches

01:01:53 ◼   ► in the house.

01:01:55 ◼   ► But this way, I will be able to control the switch itself.

01:01:59 ◼   ► - So what it does.

01:02:01 ◼   ► Yes, I can basically say power on or power off.

01:02:04 ◼   ► So I will no longer basically I will only use the Philips Hue light itself for the color,

01:02:11 ◼   ► but the power will be a separate accessory.

01:02:14 ◼   ► Like I will actually be able to physically control the the power switch for every single light in every single room.

01:02:21 ◼   ► Go for it. Do what you want.

01:02:22 ◼   ► Philips did make a change where now you can you can have the power on retain like it can retain the color.

01:02:30 ◼   ► - So just like a cool thing. - Yes, and I've done that.

01:02:32 ◼   ► And I've done that, but the thing is,

01:02:34 ◼   ► if somebody presses, physically presses the switch

01:02:37 ◼   ► in the wall and cuts the power to the light.

01:02:40 ◼   ► - You can't turn it on.

01:02:41 ◼   ► - You can turn it on.

01:02:42 ◼   ► - Yeah. - Because there's no longer power.

01:02:44 ◼   ► - Yeah, it's like they went halfway,

01:02:45 ◼   ► but it's like as far as they can go.

01:02:47 ◼   ► Like there's nothing else that they can do about it.

01:02:47 ◼   ► - And I mean, you can fix this by replacing the switches

01:02:51 ◼   ► with some compatible switches that,

01:02:53 ◼   ► but I really don't wanna do that.

01:02:54 ◼   ► I just wanna have the nice switches

01:02:56 ◼   ► that came with the apartment.

01:02:58 ◼   ► But yeah, I will be able to control those.

01:03:01 ◼   ► So this will require technicians come over.

01:03:04 ◼   ► We're going to, you know, a nice side benefit of this is that I will have

01:03:08 ◼   ► Ethernet everywhere, so that will be cool.

01:03:11 ◼   ► But yeah, that's a.

01:03:15 ◼   ► It's going to take a while,

01:03:15 ◼   ► but it's something I really want to finish up in the next few months.

01:03:18 ◼   ► I found KNX.org.

01:03:21 ◼   ► That's the official organization website.

01:03:24 ◼   ► It's I want to read you some of the benefits of KNX for your home.

01:03:28 ◼   ► Reduce your energy consumption by automatically switching off the lights when you forgot during a busy morning.

01:03:33 ◼   ► Adjust your heating from a distance for a warm welcome.

01:03:36 ◼   ► Give unwanted intruders no chance!

01:03:39 ◼   ► Close the shutters at night when you're away.

01:03:42 ◼   ► All right.

01:03:43 ◼   ► That's nice.

01:03:44 ◼   ► You know what I mean? Calm down, everyone.

01:03:46 ◼   ► Wake up in the morning by slowly opening your shutters.

01:03:49 ◼   ► Create a cozy light atmosphere in the evening or set up a routine to give the impression that you're home when you're not.

01:03:56 ◼   ► Also, the tab title includes the words official website in brackets so you know, they're they're serious

01:04:02 ◼   ► My second theme is very similar to Federico's and that it is smart home related. I'm not smart homes not a theme

01:04:08 ◼   ► I'm not going smarter home. There you go. There's my theme to theme you have four F's

01:04:13 ◼   ► That's the name of your theme right the year for it, which is it's very good

01:04:19 ◼   ► But I'm not coming in here and trashing it you can come in and trash in just a year of smart home

01:04:22 ◼   ► That's fine. You can do whatever you want

01:04:25 ◼   ► smart home so similar to Federico like I'm also building out a new smart home

01:04:30 ◼   ► infrastructure not familiar to Federico I have a house built in the 70s so do

01:04:37 ◼   ► not have the wiring for KNX you know what I mean like there's none of that

01:04:40 ◼   ► and that ain't in there so I'm buying products as we're like building out our

01:04:47 ◼   ► house now with smart in mind so I'm trying to stay in the home kit world

01:04:53 ◼   ► wherever I can but where I can't I will want the best kind of thing so for

01:04:58 ◼   ► example we have a nest thermostat it's not in homekit but it's really great on

01:05:02 ◼   ► its own or like we have a Roomba right which is not in homekit but it's really

01:05:06 ◼   ► great on its own so like these are things that you can automate you have to

01:05:09 ◼   ► touch them that's what I'm trying to do like if I can't get something in this in

01:05:13 ◼   ► homekit just be good and automatable on its own I want everything to be

01:05:17 ◼   ► organized really well so like I'm taking the time to like put everything into

01:05:21 ◼   ► to Home Pass, right?

01:05:23 ◼   ► So I've got all of the HomeKit codes all saved,

01:05:27 ◼   ► which is a great app.

01:05:28 ◼   ► It's Home Pass, right?

01:05:29 ◼   ► Is that it?

01:05:29 ◼   ► Yeah, Home Pass.

01:05:30 ◼   ► I'll put a link in the show notes to that app.

01:05:32 ◼   ► And I'm trying to get my actual HomeKit views arranged

01:05:36 ◼   ► in the way that I want them to.

01:05:38 ◼   ► Also, just more sensors around the house for just data.

01:05:42 ◼   ► So I've got temperature and humidity sensors in each room.

01:05:46 ◼   ► And then once I've kind of got all that kind of stuff

01:05:49 ◼   ► set up the way that I want, with lots of research,

01:05:51 ◼   ► which is going to be a very long process to do this stuff.

01:05:54 ◼   ► I then want to be a bit better about automating things,

01:05:57 ◼   ► but not in a really complicated way.

01:05:59 ◼   ► I want to do just home kit automations

01:06:02 ◼   ► and just do some nice stuff.

01:06:05 ◼   ► I don't want to get in a situation

01:06:06 ◼   ► where the house is going wild

01:06:07 ◼   ► when people walk in and out, right?

01:06:09 ◼   ► We're not going to understand it,

01:06:10 ◼   ► but just nice simple stuff, like entranceway,

01:06:14 ◼   ► put a little sensor in that will just turn on the light

01:06:16 ◼   ► when someone comes in if the door's been opened.

01:06:18 ◼   ► Stuff like that.

01:06:20 ◼   ► Not like, by the setting of the sun

01:06:22 ◼   ► on the second Wednesday of every quarter,

01:06:25 ◼   ► you know, like none of that kind of stuff.

01:06:26 ◼   ► So what I'm saying is,

01:06:28 ◼   ► don't even tell me to install Homebridge,

01:06:30 ◼   ► I'm not doing it, right?

01:06:31 ◼   ► Like, I ain't doing it.

01:06:33 ◼   ► But you're the smart, you're the smarter home.

01:06:35 ◼   ► That's what I'm gonna call you.

01:06:36 ◼   ► - I think you guys are both gonna really enjoy

01:06:37 ◼   ► where this leads you.

01:06:38 ◼   ► It's great.

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01:08:01 ◼   ► All right, Federico, you wanna kick off the final round?

01:08:03 ◼   ► - Yeah, so my final theme is to get more serious

01:08:08 ◼   ► about PC gaming.

01:08:09 ◼   ► - Yeah, baby.

01:08:10 ◼   ► - This is something that we've been talking about this

01:08:13 ◼   ► for a while, Mac has been pushing me to do it.

01:08:15 ◼   ► A friend of the show, Steve Transmith,

01:08:18 ◼   ► has been pushing me to do this for a while.

01:08:20 ◼   ► I wanna build my own gaming PC eventually this year

01:08:25 ◼   ► with a sweet, sweet NVIDIA RTX 4090 GPU inside.

01:08:30 ◼   ► Like, I really wanna do this.

01:08:33 ◼   ► I wanna get more serious about it.

01:08:35 ◼   ► I've been waiting for options

01:08:39 ◼   ► in terms of the most compact form factor I can find,

01:08:44 ◼   ► you know, while keeping in mind that it is an NVIDIA 4090,

01:08:52 ◼   ► which is a huge, ridiculously large graphics card.

01:08:56 ◼   ► But yes, as I've been using for the past couple of years,

01:09:00 ◼   ► I've been using this compact pre-assembled PC.

01:09:03 ◼   ► I have a Corsair One compact gaming tower

01:09:08 ◼   ► with a 3080 Ti GPU inside.

01:09:12 ◼   ► And while I've been super happy with it,

01:09:16 ◼   ► it doesn't really fit with the design

01:09:20 ◼   ► of the apartment anymore.

01:09:22 ◼   ► At the moment, it's hidden behind the TV in the living room

01:09:26 ◼   ► and you can see it when you walk in,

01:09:28 ◼   ► even though we've tried our best to hide it

01:09:31 ◼   ► and Sylvia doesn't like it.

01:09:33 ◼   ► And even though I love playing on it,

01:09:36 ◼   ► I also don't like the fact that it's visible in an otherwise pretty modern aesthetic that

01:09:41 ◼   ► we're going for in the living room.

01:09:43 ◼   ► But I do have a pretty large cabinet underneath the TV where a horizontal form factor would

01:09:53 ◼   ► fit super nicely.

01:09:55 ◼   ► And there are, you know, there's a, there are, I had like this, the guys who assembled

01:10:02 ◼   ► the furniture, I had them put in like holes

01:10:07 ◼   ► for cable management and ventilation,

01:10:09 ◼   ► because I told them there were gonna be electronics in here.

01:10:12 ◼   ► And plus, anyway, it's not a problem

01:10:16 ◼   ► to keep the door of the cabinet open

01:10:19 ◼   ► when I'm playing a video game or something.

01:10:21 ◼   ► So yeah, eventually I want to sell the Corsair One

01:10:28 ◼   ► and I want to build a PC with a 4090 inside.

01:10:33 ◼   ► Yeah, so that's really the plan for this year.

01:10:38 ◼   ► I don't know if there will be a 4090 Ti in 2023,

01:10:43 ◼   ► but I don't think so.

01:10:46 ◼   ► But for me, that's the baseline now.

01:10:48 ◼   ► Like, if I'm building a PC,

01:10:50 ◼   ► there's going to be, at a minimum,

01:10:52 ◼   ► there's going to be a 4090 in it.

01:10:54 ◼   ► Then we're going to need to have a discussion

01:10:56 ◼   ► about the form factor, which case I want to go for,

01:10:58 ◼   ► do you know which CPU I want to put in it,

01:11:03 ◼   ► but that's a discussion for another time.

01:11:05 ◼   ► At some point this year,

01:11:06 ◼   ► maybe in the second half of the year, I want to do this.

01:11:09 ◼   ► - You get all the parts,

01:11:11 ◼   ► I'll come to Rome for the weekend.

01:11:13 ◼   ► - Nice, yes, okay.

01:11:15 ◼   ► - We build it.

01:11:16 ◼   ► 'Cause I am, not doubting you,

01:11:19 ◼   ► I'm worried about like 40/90 small form factor,

01:11:25 ◼   ► first PC build. Like, that feels like a recipe.

01:11:28 ◼   ► It needs to be extremely well researched. And most likely, like it needs to be a build

01:11:36 ◼   ► that we can copy from someone else. Like it needs to be something that someone else has already done.

01:11:41 ◼   ► Let me introduce you to youtube.com, right? Like this is gonna be that.

01:11:45 ◼   ► I know, I know, I know.

01:11:48 ◼   ► But I'm very excited for this. I think you're gonna love it.

01:11:51 ◼   ► Me too.

01:11:51 ◼   ► PC building is great fun. It's terrifying, but it's great fun.

01:11:56 ◼   ► It is fun.

01:11:56 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:11:57 ◼   ► My last theme, my tech theme of this year is relevance.

01:12:03 ◼   ► It's a good one.

01:12:04 ◼   ► So this is something I'm very worried about at the moment, like very focused on, and I'm trying to,

01:12:09 ◼   ► it's like something I'm thinking about a lot for the rest of this year. I want to make sure

01:12:13 ◼   ► that I'm keeping in touch with what's important to our audiences without using Twitter or Mastodon,

01:12:20 ◼   ► and how I do that and how I make sure I stay in touch with the conversation.

01:12:24 ◼   ► This also actually does a little bit tie in with the headset thing, right?

01:12:30 ◼   ► That like I'm trying to force my curmudgeonly ways out, right?

01:12:34 ◼   ► And so just in case that people are like, "ah, these guys, they hate headsets. They're old."

01:12:41 ◼   ► You know? So I don't know if that's a thing, but it's a slight thing,

01:12:45 ◼   ► but really it's more just like knowing what people care about and what they want

01:12:50 ◼   ► to hear us talk about. So that's the thing that I'm pretty focused on for this year is trying to

01:12:56 ◼   ► make sure that I remain relevant. That's a good one. I like it. My final one is sort of the inside

01:13:02 ◼   ► out version of yours. But it's to enjoy life free of social media. And part of that a sub theme or

01:13:13 ◼   ► topic or resolution is to continue to like get

01:13:17 ◼   ► Weirder stuff on 512 pixels. So non Twitter have a mastodon account. Don't look at it having this gram account

01:13:24 ◼   ► Don't look at it. But

01:13:26 ◼   ► There have been a couple of things already that would have been a tweet that end up being a blog post

01:13:33 ◼   ► So the thing we mentioned earlier in the show were like two pseudo displays and using loopback to get audio from both of them

01:13:38 ◼   ► That have been like a single tweet with an image, right?

01:13:41 ◼   ► But instead I wrote up as a blog post

01:13:43 ◼   ► I think it's more useful to people as a blog post if someone has a setup like this and they're

01:13:48 ◼   ► Googling for it or they you know read it like oh, that's a good idea

01:13:51 ◼   ► You know even just the other night

01:13:54 ◼   ► I posted a thing about how I mount my iPad mini to my bike in my gym my little gym corner of the garage and

01:14:01 ◼   ► Again could have just been a tweet or like an Instagram story or something was like no I'm gonna ride it up

01:14:06 ◼   ► I'm have a blog when I have links and

01:14:08 ◼   ► I'm having a lot of fun doing that sort of stuff.

01:14:11 ◼   ► I do have the problem that Federico you have expressed about MacStory's design in that I currently have no way to

01:14:19 ◼   ► Like this is a actual article. This is like a weird thing. Yeah, I still don't know what to do about that

01:14:26 ◼   ► I have a couple of ideas. I don't like any of them and so

01:14:28 ◼   ► Not yeah

01:14:30 ◼   ► I really like this theme because like I've been thinking about the very same things like it's also what I want to do

01:14:36 ◼   ► Yes, I love this. Yeah, so finding a way to make all that work within WordPress within

01:14:44 ◼   ► you know, my site, because it's very old, has a lot of weird stuff in it in terms of how things work.

01:14:52 ◼   ► Like I don't like my WordPress install doesn't take advantage of hardly anything new in WordPress.

01:14:58 ◼   ► And so maybe it's time to embrace some of that stuff. And maybe I've got to break old stuff. I

01:15:02 ◼   ► I don't know but there's there's definitely that's like two sides of a coin for me. It's being off of social media

01:15:08 ◼   ► basically entirely and spending more effort in

01:15:12 ◼   ► blogging and linking to things and that sort of thing on 512 so

01:15:17 ◼   ► I'm excited by that already just I mean this started the end of last year, but

01:15:23 ◼   ► Being able to see how it's already gone

01:15:25 ◼   ► I'm encouraged by and some of those posts that I wouldn't be posting before have done really well

01:15:31 ◼   ► And so continuing down that road but finding a way where it kind of fits within the structure of the blog a little bit better.

01:15:38 ◼   ► Microblogging.

01:15:41 ◼   ► Microblogging. Myke, have you thought about having some place to like put things like a blog?

01:15:45 ◼   ► Yep. Yep. I have.

01:15:47 ◼   ► Okay.

01:15:48 ◼   ► I don't know the answer to that today. Like me and Brad are just talking about it on the pen I have today and he

01:15:52 ◼   ► has been using microblog more.

01:15:56 ◼   ► micro dot blog and like I was looking at his thing like his micro blog and I was

01:16:00 ◼   ► like yeah maybe I should but I don't know the answer is yeah I've been

01:16:04 ◼   ► thinking about it but I also know me and I know that I'm likely to start it and

01:16:09 ◼   ► not keep it up so mm-hmm the answer is like yeah I've been thinking about it

01:16:14 ◼   ► but I'm not jumping into anything yet yeah and how so I'm looking at Brad's

01:16:17 ◼   ► now like and how do you not just treat it like Twitter again but I think that's

01:16:23 ◼   ► fine though right because like you just put in stuff out there so people can

01:16:27 ◼   ► read it if they want to but if it's that there isn't any replying there's no

01:16:32 ◼   ► conversations I can't see anything that anybody else is saying or reply to that

01:16:35 ◼   ► like which is kind of the stuff that I'm trying to move away from yeah so really

01:16:40 ◼   ► like I thought like like tumblr like I don't know you know but yeah I thought

01:16:44 ◼   ► about it but also I haven't really contributed much to like Twitter is like

01:16:50 ◼   ► as a conversation piece for a while and haven't felt any like bad effects from

01:16:56 ◼   ► that you know like it's not like I have so much to say like I have a lot to say

01:17:01 ◼   ► I have a lot of podcasts to say on yeah but sometimes you may have something to

01:17:05 ◼   ► want to share that's not podcast II you know yeah I mean and I do a bit of that

01:17:09 ◼   ► on Instagram and I've been thinking about sharing stuff on Instagram more

01:17:14 ◼   ► like being less precious about that and like I did that today I could just post

01:17:19 ◼   ► to the picture of my desk like so I'm trying to be a little bit precious little

01:17:23 ◼   ► less precious about my Instagram that's just a stock that is already a network

01:17:27 ◼   ► that I enjoy and want to keep want to keep using so I think I might just do

01:17:32 ◼   ► that for a little while but I'm keeping my feelers out for like is there

01:17:36 ◼   ► something else for like I haven't like what you just said right okay here's a

01:17:41 ◼   ► picture of my desk like what I didn't do is I don't have any links on X's

01:17:44 ◼   ► Instagram post right hmm but I could do that where I'm like oh if you like I got

01:17:49 ◼   ► this thing and this thing and this thing.

01:17:50 ◼   ► 'Cause people are like, "What is that thing?"

01:17:52 ◼   ► And I can just tell them, like I can't link them

01:17:55 ◼   ► because it's Instagram.

01:17:56 ◼   ► - I'm excited about our collective year together, boys.

01:17:59 ◼   ► I really am.

01:18:00 ◼   ► - Me too.

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01:18:52 ◼   ► Federico is the editor-in-chief of MacStories.net.

01:18:57 ◼   ► Myke is the co-founder of Cortex Brand,

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01:19:15 ◼   ► And until next week, boys, say goodbye.

01:19:18 ◼   ► - Arrivederci.

01:19:18 ◼   ► - Bye bye.

01:19:19 ◼   ► - Oh, no cheerio?

01:19:21 ◼   ► You threw me off my game.

01:19:23 ◼   ► - Sometimes, that's what,

01:19:24 ◼   ► I say bye bye on ingenious sometimes.

01:19:26 ◼   ► I don't know why.

01:19:26 ◼   ► - Okay, well.

01:19:27 ◼   ► - Cheerio.

01:19:28 ◼   ► - Bye y'all.