The Accidental Tech Podcast

00:00:00 ◼   ► that's one of the amazing things about [TS]

00:00:01 ◼   ► the making of empire strikes back book [TS]

00:00:03 ◼   ► the digital version has a bunch of audio [TS]

00:00:05 ◼   ► clips of like people talking about [TS]

00:00:07 ◼   ► something like I'm glad somebody record [TS]

00:00:08 ◼   ► these things because here they are [TS]

00:00:09 ◼   ► having actual conversations about making [TS]

00:00:11 ◼   ► this movie dinner at the people have [TS]

00:00:12 ◼   ► recollections that i talked to them [TS]

00:00:14 ◼   ► about this [TS]

00:00:14 ◼   ► guess what we've got audio to you know [TS]

00:00:16 ◼   ► 15 minutes of audio about this one thing [TS]

00:00:18 ◼   ► and it's great to hear even though the [TS]

00:00:19 ◼   ► quality is terrible because it was the [TS]

00:00:21 ◼   ► eighties it's true many things ladies [TS]

00:00:22 ◼   ► not Empire Strikes Back that was in the [TS]

00:00:25 ◼   ► ease and it was great for me in kc ya so [TS]

00:00:30 ◼   ► young i feel like i have spoken to Marco [TS]

00:00:35 ◼   ► and John both extremely recently and [TS]

00:00:37 ◼   ► also not in weeks because we saw each [TS]

00:00:39 ◼   ► other three days ago [TS]

00:00:41 ◼   ► alright some with that and and yet at [TS]

00:00:45 ◼   ► the same time we haven't we haven't had [TS]

00:00:46 ◼   ► we haven't had the opportunity to truly [TS]

00:00:48 ◼   ► and truly nerd out for a couple weeks [TS]

00:00:51 ◼   ► now and we're trying to talk about [TS]

00:00:53 ◼   ► computer stuff we're all together like [TS]

00:00:54 ◼   ► everyone else did not want to hear and [TS]

00:00:56 ◼   ► everything it was there just like a [TS]

00:01:00 ◼   ► rolling their eyes and trying to change [TS]

00:01:01 ◼   ► the subject to anything else [TS]

00:01:03 ◼   ► yeah they effectively said with body [TS]

00:01:05 ◼   ► language save it for the show and also [TS]

00:01:09 ◼   ► happy birthday John siracusa a little [TS]

00:01:12 ◼   ► bit late at this point it is four days [TS]

00:01:14 ◼   ► ago now but a happy birthday you are the [TS]

00:01:17 ◼   ► answer to what is what is the actual [TS]

00:01:19 ◼   ► phrasing the answer to life the universe [TS]

00:01:21 ◼   ► and everything [TS]

00:01:22 ◼   ► yeah pretty much fair enough right I do [TS]

00:01:25 ◼   ► we have any pre-show banter we just want [TS]

00:01:27 ◼   ► to go straight to follow and that was [TS]

00:01:28 ◼   ► the pre-show banter [TS]

00:01:29 ◼   ► fair enough alright let's talk about the [TS]

00:01:31 ◼   ► naked robotic macbook pro mr. siracusa [TS]

00:01:34 ◼   ► best thing ever [TS]

00:01:37 ◼   ► the book is said with not an ounce of [TS]

00:01:39 ◼   ► sarcasm i think it is I think it's [TS]

00:01:41 ◼   ► pretty neat at this if someone had [TS]

00:01:44 ◼   ► posted this as a joke a couple weeks ago [TS]

00:01:47 ◼   ► I think we all would have had a good [TS]

00:01:49 ◼   ► laugh about it [TS]

00:01:50 ◼   ► yep the first time i saw this i thought [TS]

00:01:52 ◼   ► it was a joke and I was like it some [TS]

00:01:54 ◼   ► people first like I guess somebody has a [TS]

00:01:55 ◼   ► bad joke timing [TS]

00:01:57 ◼   ► yeah but you know it is apparently a [TS]

00:01:59 ◼   ► real thing [TS]

00:02:00 ◼   ► this is from owc I friends and other you [TS]

00:02:02 ◼   ► see other world computing this is a [TS]

00:02:05 ◼   ► product could you can't buy it right [TS]

00:02:07 ◼   ► they've just sort of correct announced [TS]

00:02:09 ◼   ► it and more details to follow [TS]

00:02:11 ◼   ► if you take your new slim for USB port a [TS]

00:02:17 ◼   ► macbook pro that we talked about at [TS]

00:02:18 ◼   ► length on the show and you sit on top of [TS]

00:02:21 ◼   ► an aluminum rectangle that's the exact [TS]

00:02:25 ◼   ► size and shape has the bottom of the [TS]

00:02:29 ◼   ► macbook pro making your very slim 2016 / [TS]

00:02:33 ◼   ► 2017 model macbook pro the thickness of [TS]

00:02:37 ◼   ► 2012 macbook pro and in the process it [TS]

00:02:40 ◼   ► gives you a bunch of extra ports on the [TS]

00:02:42 ◼   ► side you get USB type a ports you get [TS]

00:02:44 ◼   ► ethernet you get an SD card slot you get [TS]

00:02:47 ◼   ► another USBC far as i can tell you don't [TS]

00:02:50 ◼   ► get any additional battery it does have [TS]

00:02:52 ◼   ► it does clean also four terabytes of [TS]

00:02:53 ◼   ► internal storage of some type and [TS]

00:02:55 ◼   ► additional things to come like they [TS]

00:02:57 ◼   ► haven't haven't revealed all the things [TS]

00:02:59 ◼   ► it's going to do so right away I have [TS]

00:03:01 ◼   ► some technical questions about this [TS]

00:03:03 ◼   ► oh yes I first how does it work because [TS]

00:03:05 ◼   ► I expected it to plug into the USB sea [TS]

00:03:08 ◼   ► ports on the side because you know you [TS]

00:03:09 ◼   ► can do that like the Thunderbolts last [TS]

00:03:11 ◼   ► year's pc forth if you you can plug for [TS]

00:03:14 ◼   ► example a thunderbolt three dock into [TS]

00:03:15 ◼   ► there and on that document have an SD [TS]

00:03:17 ◼   ► card port and USB ports and storage and [TS]

00:03:20 ◼   ► you know you can you can do all that we [TS]

00:03:22 ◼   ► know you can do it but you have to plug [TS]

00:03:24 ◼   ► into one of those ports and the pictures [TS]

00:03:26 ◼   ► they have show both sides of this thing [TS]

00:03:28 ◼   ► with all four of the Thunderbolt three [TS]

00:03:32 ◼   ► ports on the side of this macbook pro [TS]

00:03:34 ◼   ► completely open so that's mysterious [TS]

00:03:36 ◼   ► no I don't think it's mysterious at all [TS]

00:03:38 ◼   ► I I mean I understand what you're saying [TS]

00:03:39 ◼   ► but I will bet you a gazillion dollars [TS]

00:03:43 ◼   ► that if you're looking at the images of [TS]

00:03:45 ◼   ► the two sides so they're showing the [TS]

00:03:47 ◼   ► right-hand side of it but it's on the [TS]

00:03:49 ◼   ► left-hand side of the image and then the [TS]

00:03:51 ◼   ► left-hand side on the right-hand side of [TS]

00:03:52 ◼   ► the image so the the right side of the [TS]

00:03:55 ◼   ► dock where the SD card is there's a USB [TS]

00:03:57 ◼   ► seaport directly under one of the four [TS]

00:04:02 ◼   ► onboard USB seaports it's hard to paint [TS]

00:04:05 ◼   ► a word picture about this but anyway I [TS]

00:04:06 ◼   ► bet you anything work they're gonna have [TS]

00:04:08 ◼   ► one of those little stubby yeah USBC [TS]

00:04:10 ◼   ► cables right there it'll be like the [TS]

00:04:11 ◼   ► room you remember the daughter the [TS]

00:04:13 ◼   ► daughter board video cards from PCs way [TS]

00:04:15 ◼   ► back in the day he would go you would go [TS]

00:04:17 ◼   ► like VG [TS]

00:04:18 ◼   ► from your 2d car doesn't remember yeah [TS]

00:04:21 ◼   ► you go from the PGA from your 2d card [TS]

00:04:23 ◼   ► your 3d card and then vga from your 3d [TS]

00:04:26 ◼   ► card out to your monitor and then you [TS]

00:04:27 ◼   ► have these little like setup vga cables [TS]

00:04:30 ◼   ► it was barbaric but i'm going to make it [TS]

00:04:32 ◼   ► even all the reference back in the mac [TS]

00:04:34 ◼   ► days when they had scuzzy as their [TS]

00:04:36 ◼   ► external connector for hard drives and [TS]

00:04:39 ◼   ► such and you would buy hard drives that [TS]

00:04:41 ◼   ► fit exactly underneath the classic Mac [TS]

00:04:43 ◼   ► shape so you could stack them and they [TS]

00:04:44 ◼   ► would be exactly the size of the the [TS]

00:04:46 ◼   ► base of like a mac plus r5 to offer [TS]

00:04:48 ◼   ► whatever I and since you would stack [TS]

00:04:51 ◼   ► them each one would be a different hard [TS]

00:04:53 ◼   ► drive and you need to daisy chain them [TS]

00:04:54 ◼   ► together in typical see passion one [TS]

00:04:56 ◼   ► would have a terminator then you go for [TS]

00:04:57 ◼   ► 12 they made c-shaped brackets that were [TS]

00:05:00 ◼   ► not cables at all of our exact brackets [TS]

00:05:02 ◼   ► you know it's a single manufacturer with [TS]

00:05:03 ◼   ► this album like jasmine or whatever and [TS]

00:05:06 ◼   ► they would plug into the back and [TS]

00:05:07 ◼   ► connect one drive to the one right above [TS]

00:05:09 ◼   ► it exactly matching these gigantic 15 [TS]

00:05:12 ◼   ► scuzzy connectors so not a cable at all [TS]

00:05:14 ◼   ► but a very stiff bracket thing i can [TS]

00:05:17 ◼   ► imagine that as well but they don't show [TS]

00:05:19 ◼   ► it in the pictures [TS]

00:05:20 ◼   ► correction that is fair well and also [TS]

00:05:22 ◼   ► these pictures should be taken with a [TS]

00:05:24 ◼   ► huge array of salt because they have [TS]

00:05:26 ◼   ► even stated these are rendering these [TS]

00:05:27 ◼   ► are not the final product in fact when I [TS]

00:05:29 ◼   ► first looked at this page maybe you know [TS]

00:05:32 ◼   ► an hour before that macrumors articles [TS]

00:05:33 ◼   ► posted these exact pictures in this [TS]

00:05:36 ◼   ► exact spot on on the official [TS]

00:05:38 ◼   ► ohdeedoh.com / DC on that page these [TS]

00:05:42 ◼   ► exact pictures the two sides were blank [TS]

00:05:44 ◼   ► except for one that this the one single [TS]

00:05:46 ◼   ► USBC import all like the LA and the [TS]

00:05:49 ◼   ► carburetor was there but all the USBA [TS]

00:05:51 ◼   ► and ethernet port you see right there [TS]

00:05:52 ◼   ► were not there like 12 hours ago so i [TS]

00:05:55 ◼   ► really like this is a work in progress [TS]

00:05:58 ◼   ► like I learn more from the macrumors [TS]

00:05:59 ◼   ► post about it than I did from their page [TS]

00:06:01 ◼   ► so clearly this is still in the very [TS]

00:06:04 ◼   ► early phases they said it will be [TS]

00:06:06 ◼   ► available in 2017 but i don't think they [TS]

00:06:09 ◼   ► got more specific than that [TS]

00:06:11 ◼   ► nor had they listed price or anything [TS]

00:06:12 ◼   ► but I mean it's basically yeah it's a [TS]

00:06:15 ◼   ► docking station that happens to be the [TS]

00:06:18 ◼   ► same shape as the macbook pro so you can [TS]

00:06:20 ◼   ► sit on top of it but when i first saw [TS]

00:06:22 ◼   ► the these pictures without seeing macros [TS]

00:06:24 ◼   ► article when I first saw the pictures [TS]

00:06:25 ◼   ► and it got almost no information i [TS]

00:06:28 ◼   ► assumed that what they were doing was [TS]

00:06:30 ◼   ► basically offering a service where you [TS]

00:06:31 ◼   ► can send you [TS]

00:06:32 ◼   ► put to them and they would like unscrew [TS]

00:06:33 ◼   ► the bottom of it yeah [TS]

00:06:35 ◼   ► places like and pretend you know [TS]

00:06:37 ◼   ► semi-permanently attach this thing and [TS]

00:06:39 ◼   ► if they were doing that then they could [TS]

00:06:41 ◼   ► maybe do something like give a bigger [TS]

00:06:42 ◼   ► battery and you know use internal [TS]

00:06:45 ◼   ► whatever kind of internal connections [TS]

00:06:48 ◼   ► that are present if any i honestly would [TS]

00:06:50 ◼   ► be surprised if there are many if any [TS]

00:06:53 ◼   ► but yeah i was thinking where they [TS]

00:06:54 ◼   ► connected internally but you can do a [TS]

00:06:56 ◼   ► bigger battery with external to please [TS]

00:06:57 ◼   ► remember that USBC port is also the [TS]

00:06:59 ◼   ► charging port works share this smart the [TS]

00:07:01 ◼   ► smartphone you know iphone case or [TS]

00:07:03 ◼   ► whatever examiner is but anyway that [TS]

00:07:05 ◼   ► isn't what this is as far as we can tell [TS]

00:07:07 ◼   ► from the very little information we have [TS]

00:07:08 ◼   ► but either way let's so basically it [TS]

00:07:11 ◼   ► sounds like it it almost certainly [TS]

00:07:12 ◼   ► doesn't offer any additional battery [TS]

00:07:14 ◼   ► power that's the only real reason I [TS]

00:07:15 ◼   ► would see for for wanting to have this [TS]

00:07:18 ◼   ► tremendous additional bulk added [TS]

00:07:20 ◼   ► permanently to your macbook or worried [TS]

00:07:22 ◼   ► about ya we don't know because they sell [TS]

00:07:24 ◼   ► more stuff is coming and if you look at [TS]

00:07:25 ◼   ► the stuff that's in there obviously [TS]

00:07:26 ◼   ► there has to be more because the stuff [TS]

00:07:28 ◼   ► they have in their would not take up all [TS]

00:07:30 ◼   ► that space so i guess a good to be [TS]

00:07:31 ◼   ► filled air but if you're gonna buy [TS]

00:07:33 ◼   ► batteries like there's not room making [TS]

00:07:34 ◼   ► an optical drive nice actually [TS]

00:07:37 ◼   ► absolutely think we're not exactly what [TS]

00:07:39 ◼   ► a really good keyboard you can reach now [TS]

00:07:41 ◼   ► so I you know it will see when this [TS]

00:07:44 ◼   ► thing actually provides a little more [TS]

00:07:46 ◼   ► information and when it actually [TS]

00:07:47 ◼   ► launches but i don't think the market [TS]

00:07:49 ◼   ► for this is going to be very big [TS]

00:07:50 ◼   ► I I certainly won't use it [TS]

00:07:54 ◼   ► no way you can make me use that because [TS]

00:07:56 ◼   ► the fact is that the the macbook pro as [TS]

00:08:00 ◼   ► it is is almost pretty good and this [TS]

00:08:04 ◼   ► pushes it so far in the other direction [TS]

00:08:06 ◼   ► that it's like ok this like you turn [TS]

00:08:09 ◼   ► something that's almost pretty good but [TS]

00:08:11 ◼   ► has mediocre battery life and a bad [TS]

00:08:13 ◼   ► keyboard into something that is still [TS]

00:08:16 ◼   ► having mediocre better life and pad kee [TS]

00:08:19 ◼   ► forward that is just like bigger and [TS]

00:08:21 ◼   ► heavier to add a what is really a very [TS]

00:08:24 ◼   ► small handful of of capabilities so far [TS]

00:08:27 ◼   ► I don't see why people would want this [TS]

00:08:30 ◼   ► honestly but somebody might I guess I [TS]

00:08:34 ◼   ► well remember market that you cannot [TS]

00:08:36 ◼   ► possibly do any kind of work on a [TS]

00:08:39 ◼   ► macbook pro unless you have asked unless [TS]

00:08:40 ◼   ► you have an SD card slot so if you [TS]

00:08:42 ◼   ► wanted to do any kind of work [TS]

00:08:44 ◼   ► the macbook pro you must have this doc [TS]

00:08:46 ◼   ► otherwise it's impossible but honestly [TS]

00:08:49 ◼   ► so this so it in the in the massive span [TS]

00:08:52 ◼   ► of time since we've last spoken of this [TS]

00:08:54 ◼   ► podcast I i did you know we traveled [TS]

00:08:57 ◼   ► upstate 24 / prepare for parent [TS]

00:09:00 ◼   ► Christmas stuff and I have my laptop [TS]

00:09:03 ◼   ► there and there was one point in which I [TS]

00:09:05 ◼   ► had I had brought some every year making [TS]

00:09:07 ◼   ► Christmas video and former from the [TS]

00:09:10 ◼   ► previous Christmases photos and and [TS]

00:09:12 ◼   ► time-lapse tip is all the work she gets [TS]

00:09:14 ◼   ► all the credit anyway I I bring with me [TS]

00:09:15 ◼   ► on my laptop copies of all the video so [TS]

00:09:17 ◼   ► that way when we get there after showing [TS]

00:09:19 ◼   ► everybody we can give everybody their [TS]

00:09:21 ◼   ► own copy on the thumb drives that don't [TS]

00:09:23 ◼   ► go into your computer [TS]

00:09:24 ◼   ► yeah so one of the members has an ipad [TS]

00:09:26 ◼   ► one has a laptop and one has a thumb [TS]

00:09:29 ◼   ► drive and so this is ok that's like you [TS]

00:09:31 ◼   ► put the wolf on the boat needs like it's [TS]

00:09:34 ◼   ► this crazy things that happened we put [TS]

00:09:35 ◼   ► the water on with the chicken rice like [TS]

00:09:37 ◼   ► how do we get how do we get these files [TS]

00:09:39 ◼   ► to these different things right [TS]

00:09:41 ◼   ► I'm sitting there on the couch with my [TS]

00:09:42 ◼   ► new macbook and first my father-in-law [TS]

00:09:45 ◼   ► brings down the the Lightning card [TS]

00:09:49 ◼   ► reader adapter with an SD card in it [TS]

00:09:51 ◼   ► that use iPads you put on here I like [TS]

00:09:54 ◼   ► the lighting and look at the SD card [TS]

00:09:55 ◼   ► like nope [TS]

00:09:58 ◼   ► and then like my brother and then like [TS]

00:10:00 ◼   ► you know that and I get handed this like [TS]

00:10:02 ◼   ► USB key like this USB thumb drive thing [TS]

00:10:05 ◼   ► no I guess I get a dongle for that Lee [TS]

00:10:08 ◼   ► upstairs get the dongle is like and it [TS]

00:10:11 ◼   ► wasn't it wasn't I didn't own the dongle [TS]

00:10:13 ◼   ► and it wasn't that I didn't even have [TS]

00:10:15 ◼   ► the dongle like technically with me on [TS]

00:10:16 ◼   ► the trip but it was upstairs and I was [TS]

00:10:18 ◼   ► downstairs on a soft capture it was [TS]

00:10:20 ◼   ► Christmas there there's just gonna be a [TS]

00:10:22 ◼   ► so many of these times with these new [TS]

00:10:24 ◼   ► macbook pros we're like even if it's a [TS]

00:10:27 ◼   ► minor inconvenience it still makes you [TS]

00:10:30 ◼   ► regret the limitations of this computer [TS]

00:10:33 ◼   ► in use in practice I i bet more often [TS]

00:10:37 ◼   ► than apple might have might have [TS]

00:10:38 ◼   ► estimated by whatever data a reason to [TS]

00:10:40 ◼   ► make this decision to to admit all the [TS]

00:10:43 ◼   ► useful stuff from this computer and it [TS]

00:10:45 ◼   ► there there are so many things about [TS]

00:10:46 ◼   ► that are nice like it like every you [TS]

00:10:48 ◼   ► know every year we go to say we go to [TS]

00:10:49 ◼   ► the same place my in-laws place and and [TS]

00:10:51 ◼   ► every year I i have to plug in my laptop [TS]

00:10:53 ◼   ► and every year I i had this weird layout [TS]

00:10:58 ◼   ► where to reach the left side of where [TS]

00:11:00 ◼   ► the charging port was the magsafe was [TS]

00:11:02 ◼   ► have to kind of lean laptop in a strange [TS]

00:11:04 ◼   ► way overnight when it's charging and [TS]

00:11:06 ◼   ► this year I could use the other side [TS]

00:11:07 ◼   ► which was really helpful and there's [TS]

00:11:08 ◼   ► going to be time but that were it's nice [TS]

00:11:10 ◼   ► to have charger in your side like that [TS]

00:11:11 ◼   ► would be great right so you know it [TS]

00:11:14 ◼   ► isn't all bad and it was also really [TS]

00:11:16 ◼   ► nice to have this thing be lighter as I [TS]

00:11:19 ◼   ► was carrying it around the house and you [TS]

00:11:21 ◼   ► know doing you know basic stuff i gave [TS]

00:11:23 ◼   ► it was nice having it lighter so I [TS]

00:11:25 ◼   ► appreciate those things I appreciate [TS]

00:11:27 ◼   ► some of the progress boy had not having [TS]

00:11:30 ◼   ► not having the SD card reader and you [TS]

00:11:32 ◼   ► and at least one USB a port has already [TS]

00:11:36 ◼   ► bitten me like it more than once in [TS]

00:11:39 ◼   ► these like little tiny like you know [TS]

00:11:41 ◼   ► razor blade cut ways i just i just it [TS]

00:11:44 ◼   ► doesn't leave me with a good agent about [TS]

00:11:46 ◼   ► this laptop overall so I think there's a [TS]

00:11:48 ◼   ► this product / turns out to be in the [TS]

00:11:51 ◼   ► market reveal some interesting things [TS]

00:11:53 ◼   ► we've talked about before but this is [TS]

00:11:55 ◼   ► like a concrete version of it [TS]

00:11:56 ◼   ► the first is this is an extreme case of [TS]

00:11:59 ◼   ► negative robotic or thing applies to the [TS]

00:12:01 ◼   ► mac which we talked about before the [TS]

00:12:04 ◼   ► idea that if you just provide the core [TS]

00:12:06 ◼   ► amount of functionality and let people [TS]

00:12:07 ◼   ► add stuff on top of that they might want [TS]

00:12:10 ◼   ► so with the iphone it's like we give you [TS]

00:12:11 ◼   ► the skinny little metal thing that you [TS]

00:12:12 ◼   ► want and if you want extra battery or [TS]

00:12:15 ◼   ► you want more protection or you know you [TS]

00:12:17 ◼   ► want a place to put your credit cards [TS]

00:12:18 ◼   ► you want a rubbery outside or whatever [TS]

00:12:20 ◼   ► it is that you want to do to it [TS]

00:12:21 ◼   ► everyone else can bring to it whatever [TS]

00:12:23 ◼   ► they want you want to be different color [TS]

00:12:24 ◼   ► a different texture whatever you can put [TS]

00:12:26 ◼   ► that on [TS]

00:12:27 ◼   ► but by making the smallest thing [TS]

00:12:28 ◼   ► possible with the people who want a [TS]

00:12:30 ◼   ► really small thing have a really small [TS]

00:12:31 ◼   ► thing that people want something [TS]

00:12:32 ◼   ► different every one can apply visit we [TS]

00:12:33 ◼   ► made a choice and add the big battery [TS]

00:12:35 ◼   ► that people want the skinny ones can [TS]

00:12:37 ◼   ► happen so on and so forth so this thing [TS]

00:12:39 ◼   ► to make a robotic macbook pro if you [TS]

00:12:41 ◼   ► want a bunch of ports you can slap it on [TS]

00:12:44 ◼   ► the end and we're at all the past the [TS]

00:12:46 ◼   ► all the past time to talk about this is [TS]

00:12:48 ◼   ► like yeah but if you add on the outside [TS]

00:12:50 ◼   ► because you have to have you know phone [TS]

00:12:52 ◼   ► motherboard battery case you know inner [TS]

00:12:57 ◼   ► case battery outer case like the the [TS]

00:12:59 ◼   ► extra layering requiring them both to be [TS]

00:13:01 ◼   ► products in and of themselves the case [TS]

00:13:03 ◼   ► is a product and the phone is a product [TS]

00:13:05 ◼   ► that they have their own walls and the [TS]

00:13:06 ◼   ► combination of all the walls is your [TS]

00:13:08 ◼   ► total thickness it makes them bigger [TS]

00:13:09 ◼   ► than if you said if you just took that [TS]

00:13:11 ◼   ► amount [TS]

00:13:11 ◼   ► a battery that's in this battery case [TS]

00:13:13 ◼   ► and put it inside the phone it wouldn't [TS]

00:13:14 ◼   ► be a stick so here we have a great [TS]

00:13:16 ◼   ► example that these ports that they're [TS]

00:13:18 ◼   ► adding if Apple had put these inside the [TS]

00:13:20 ◼   ► macbook pro it would be thicker but it [TS]

00:13:22 ◼   ► would not be this thing I mean you look [TS]

00:13:23 ◼   ► at the ethernet port is stacked up with [TS]

00:13:26 ◼   ► the USBC port above it like because they [TS]

00:13:28 ◼   ► can't they can't add you know they can't [TS]

00:13:30 ◼   ► violate the integrity of the case so [TS]

00:13:31 ◼   ► you've got the entire flat side [TS]

00:13:34 ◼   ► thickness of the case and then what they [TS]

00:13:36 ◼   ► have left to put their ports on is [TS]

00:13:37 ◼   ► anything they can put below that they [TS]

00:13:39 ◼   ► can't combine them so this does show the [TS]

00:13:42 ◼   ► you know very graphic illustration of [TS]

00:13:44 ◼   ► the highlight of the naked robotic or [TS]

00:13:46 ◼   ► strategies that if you do add stuff it [TS]

00:13:48 ◼   ► will always necessarily be bigger than [TS]

00:13:49 ◼   ► it was built in and the second thing I [TS]

00:13:51 ◼   ► think is that I don't know if this was [TS]

00:13:53 ◼   ► just someone making estimation or if [TS]

00:13:54 ◼   ► they say it in the copy as a real thing [TS]

00:13:56 ◼   ► but i believe that they're saying this [TS]

00:13:58 ◼   ► makes your 2016 / 20 17 macbook pro the [TS]

00:14:03 ◼   ► same thickness as the 2012 model though [TS]

00:14:05 ◼   ► we all look at this it looks like that [TS]

00:14:07 ◼   ► that comic illustration of the powerbook [TS]

00:14:10 ◼   ► g5 together that oh yes photoshop it [TS]

00:14:13 ◼   ► looks like it's just comically thick [TS]

00:14:16 ◼   ► like it's like the size of a dictionary [TS]

00:14:18 ◼   ► or phone book I don't even know what [TS]

00:14:19 ◼   ► those are [TS]

00:14:20 ◼   ► it's a really thick book looks it looks [TS]

00:14:23 ◼   ► huge and yet this was the thickness of a [TS]

00:14:26 ◼   ► product that apple sold not too long ago [TS]

00:14:28 ◼   ► 2012 mac pro the people still haven't [TS]

00:14:30 ◼   ► like and often they say I'm sticking [TS]

00:14:32 ◼   ► with my 2012 macbook pro because it's [TS]

00:14:34 ◼   ► got all the parts i wanted whatever this [TS]

00:14:35 ◼   ► I think illustrates what I've always [TS]

00:14:37 ◼   ► talked about and that you know that a [TS]

00:14:38 ◼   ► hypocritical posta long ago about people [TS]

00:14:40 ◼   ► complaining that the imac was getting [TS]

00:14:42 ◼   ► too skinny when they took away the [TS]

00:14:43 ◼   ► optical drive made it super skinny it's [TS]

00:14:45 ◼   ► like who the hell needs a super-skinny [TS]

00:14:46 ◼   ► imac what's the point and I i [TS]

00:14:49 ◼   ► transferred iphone to say like you have [TS]

00:14:51 ◼   ► to go thinner year after year because [TS]

00:14:53 ◼   ► even though from year-to-year the the [TS]

00:14:55 ◼   ► sacrifice doesn't make that much of a [TS]

00:14:57 ◼   ► difference if they go what so it's a few [TS]

00:14:59 ◼   ► millimeters sticker multiply that by [TS]

00:15:00 ◼   ► year after year after year and you'll [TS]

00:15:03 ◼   ► find yourself far from where you started [TS]

00:15:04 ◼   ► so in 2012 then shaving no millimeter [TS]

00:15:06 ◼   ► off 2013 another millimeter often 2014 [TS]

00:15:09 ◼   ► another note it seems like what's the [TS]

00:15:10 ◼   ► point you're just making my thing [TS]

00:15:12 ◼   ► dinner in a way that i can even detect [TS]

00:15:14 ◼   ► and I'm not getting any gains from but [TS]

00:15:15 ◼   ► like you said Marko you appreciate the [TS]

00:15:18 ◼   ► the lightness even just compared to your [TS]

00:15:21 ◼   ► previous model which wasn't that old [TS]

00:15:22 ◼   ► imagine [TS]

00:15:24 ◼   ► the the you-know-what you what it would [TS]

00:15:26 ◼   ► be like if you upgraded from a 2012 [TS]

00:15:27 ◼   ► model this and here we have a rewind [TS]

00:15:29 ◼   ► button to go back to what it was like in [TS]

00:15:31 ◼   ► 2012 and now you can't go back now you [TS]

00:15:32 ◼   ► say no that's too far [TS]

00:15:34 ◼   ► I can't go back that far i don't care [TS]

00:15:35 ◼   ► how many points you have it is too big [TS]

00:15:37 ◼   ► and just too heavy i know now that I [TS]

00:15:39 ◼   ► know what's possible [TS]

00:15:41 ◼   ► i I can't go back to that again so there [TS]

00:15:44 ◼   ► is something to be said for apples [TS]

00:15:46 ◼   ► relentless pursuit of thinness I still [TS]

00:15:48 ◼   ► don't think they had any sort of [TS]

00:15:49 ◼   ► inflection point like my the the three [TS]

00:15:51 ◼   ► hours go back to is the the the [TS]

00:15:53 ◼   ► credit-card sized phone that just [TS]

00:15:54 ◼   ► fluttered to the ground and you don't [TS]

00:15:55 ◼   ► have to worry about cracking because no [TS]

00:15:57 ◼   ► one worries about dropping their credit [TS]

00:15:58 ◼   ► card around cracking it because it's so [TS]

00:16:00 ◼   ► freaking thin we haven't we haven't got [TS]

00:16:02 ◼   ► there not even close but this this [TS]

00:16:05 ◼   ► illustration and our general discussed [TS]

00:16:07 ◼   ► with it this product and are discussed [TS]

00:16:09 ◼   ► but i think it is really hammers home [TS]

00:16:11 ◼   ► that distend this thing even though we [TS]

00:16:14 ◼   ► complain about it [TS]

00:16:15 ◼   ► the upsides aren't just academic like [TS]

00:16:18 ◼   ► once you become accustomed to it being [TS]

00:16:20 ◼   ► that thin we wanted to be that thin and [TS]

00:16:22 ◼   ► also maybe have an SD card slot which by [TS]

00:16:23 ◼   ► the way they could totally do bispo [TS]

00:16:25 ◼   ► never or add two millimeters that like [TS]

00:16:28 ◼   ► you know we're willing to bargain a [TS]

00:16:29 ◼   ► millimeter to but none of us want to add [TS]

00:16:31 ◼   ► you know half an inch to this thing [TS]

00:16:34 ◼   ► because we just can't go back to that by [TS]

00:16:35 ◼   ► the way I can't let this go without [TS]

00:16:37 ◼   ► pointing out that this ancient thick [TS]

00:16:40 ◼   ► 2012 macbook pro that they're comparing [TS]

00:16:43 ◼   ► this to was sold in the form of the 101 [TS]

00:16:45 ◼   ► until two months ago [TS]

00:16:46 ◼   ► yeah an optical drive funny remind you [TS]

00:16:49 ◼   ► ya know what I mean you're right like i [TS]

00:16:51 ◼   ► love the 2012 retina macbook for like [TS]

00:16:53 ◼   ► the 15-inch retina it's so so nice it's [TS]

00:16:56 ◼   ► such an overall awesome machine but now [TS]

00:16:59 ◼   ► that I've had this new one for one month [TS]

00:17:01 ◼   ► the old one which i still have my closet [TS]

00:17:03 ◼   ► haven't sold it yet i look at any [TS]

00:17:05 ◼   ► particular so often and like it feels [TS]

00:17:07 ◼   ► ancient and it feels like a big heavy [TS]

00:17:10 ◼   ► awkward lunch tray even though like a [TS]

00:17:14 ◼   ► month ago I was like this is fine this [TS]

00:17:15 ◼   ► is getting smaller like it really is all [TS]

00:17:18 ◼   ► about what you're accustomed to and as [TS]

00:17:20 ◼   ► soon as you get a customer's new one [TS]

00:17:21 ◼   ► even though the difference is in in [TS]

00:17:24 ◼   ► weight and thickness is not tremendous [TS]

00:17:27 ◼   ► it is a savings that is noticeable and [TS]

00:17:30 ◼   ► as soon as you start using it's really [TS]

00:17:31 ◼   ► hard to ever go back and to have it feel [TS]

00:17:34 ◼   ► normal [TS]

00:17:34 ◼   ► I mean heck even the keyboard i hate the [TS]

00:17:37 ◼   ► keyboard on the [TS]

00:17:37 ◼   ► new one but I use the killer the one [TS]

00:17:39 ◼   ► like this is kinda mushy like that i'm [TS]

00:17:42 ◼   ► really i'm completely ruined i still [TS]

00:17:45 ◼   ► hate the new one keyboard wide but it's [TS]

00:17:48 ◼   ► like and honestly i think i would hate [TS]

00:17:50 ◼   ► the new keyboard a lot less if they [TS]

00:17:52 ◼   ► would give me back to gaps above the [TS]

00:17:54 ◼   ► left and right arrow keys that has [TS]

00:17:56 ◼   ► bitten me more than any other thing [TS]

00:17:59 ◼   ► about this keyboard i got the key [TS]

00:18:00 ◼   ► switches I still don't like but I've [TS]

00:18:02 ◼   ► gotten used to escape I have mapped to [TS]

00:18:05 ◼   ► caps lock and it was a very easy [TS]

00:18:07 ◼   ► transition the shaping of those arrow [TS]

00:18:09 ◼   ► keys and not having a little gaps above [TS]

00:18:11 ◼   ► left and right the way they have been [TS]

00:18:13 ◼   ► for years that keeps messing me up so [TS]

00:18:16 ◼   ► much because I can no longer orient [TS]

00:18:19 ◼   ► myself on the arrow keys by feel [TS]

00:18:20 ◼   ► reliably and this has it turns out [TS]

00:18:23 ◼   ► there's something I need quite [TS]

00:18:24 ◼   ► frequently in use and I didn't realize [TS]

00:18:26 ◼   ► it until I don't use one of these things [TS]

00:18:28 ◼   ► for a while but wow that is that is that [TS]

00:18:32 ◼   ► is a big change but yeah when you go [TS]

00:18:34 ◼   ► with the old one it's like well I died I [TS]

00:18:36 ◼   ► don't want even though it is in so many [TS]

00:18:38 ◼   ► ways better you use the the quote mushy [TS]

00:18:42 ◼   ► keyboard and you see that the relatively [TS]

00:18:44 ◼   ► tiny little you know quaint little [TS]

00:18:46 ◼   ► trackpad on there like wow this is like [TS]

00:18:48 ◼   ► using a powerbook and by comparison [TS]

00:18:50 ◼   ► it's the new thing really does feel so [TS]

00:18:53 ◼   ► much newer and more modern even though [TS]

00:18:55 ◼   ► in these fairly large ways it is [TS]

00:18:57 ◼   ► definitely worse [TS]

00:18:59 ◼   ► this is one of the dangers of using iOS [TS]

00:19:01 ◼   ► are growing up with iOS and I watch my [TS]

00:19:03 ◼   ► son he's most of the one is the school [TS]

00:19:05 ◼   ► assignments like these google docs and [TS]

00:19:07 ◼   ► your rights school papers and stuff in [TS]

00:19:08 ◼   ► it which is a pretty good system in [TS]

00:19:10 ◼   ► terms of putting you know teachers and [TS]

00:19:13 ◼   ► peers you know comment on and see if it [TS]

00:19:15 ◼   ► work anyway because he's a child of iOS [TS]

00:19:18 ◼   ► and a child of the post PCH watching him [TS]

00:19:21 ◼   ► try to use a word processor on a Mac [TS]

00:19:23 ◼   ► just makes me want to tear my hair all [TS]

00:19:26 ◼   ► all of his cursor movement he does with [TS]

00:19:29 ◼   ► the mouse and I like see these keys on [TS]

00:19:32 ◼   ► the keyboard with the arrows on them [TS]

00:19:34 ◼   ► I swear to you they will move the [TS]

00:19:35 ◼   ► insertion point one character and easier [TS]

00:19:37 ◼   ► than you finding where the mouse is [TS]

00:19:39 ◼   ► steering you know this is not good with [TS]

00:19:41 ◼   ► the mouse to the steering your cursor [TS]

00:19:42 ◼   ► over moving it over to get as like just [TS]

00:19:45 ◼   ► use the matter you don't even say like [TS]

00:19:46 ◼   ► option or command arrows just plain use [TS]

00:19:48 ◼   ► the arrow keys like it is so much faster [TS]

00:19:51 ◼   ► and forward delete and just like these [TS]

00:19:52 ◼   ► amazing technologies that like watching [TS]

00:19:54 ◼   ► trying to text editing because always [TS]

00:19:56 ◼   ► ever used to is the terrible text [TS]

00:19:57 ◼   ► editing on iOS four you have to hold [TS]

00:19:59 ◼   ► your stupid finger down you get that [TS]

00:20:00 ◼   ► magnifying glass that also makes montara [TS]

00:20:02 ◼   ► even after I show America's not like [TS]

00:20:04 ◼   ► he's like thanks dad that's a revelation [TS]

00:20:06 ◼   ► I'm so much more efficient he's like no [TS]

00:20:08 ◼   ► I'll go back to that [TS]

00:20:09 ◼   ► yeah so painful I don't know kids these [TS]

00:20:12 ◼   ► days [TS]

00:20:12 ◼   ► someday the one about arrow keys we [TS]

00:20:16 ◼   ► respond to this week by betterment go to [TS]

00:20:18 ◼   ► betterment calm / ATP to learn more and [TS]

00:20:21 ◼   ► get up to six months of no fees [TS]

00:20:22 ◼   ► betterment investing made better [TS]

00:20:24 ◼   ► betterment has changed the financial [TS]

00:20:26 ◼   ► industry and make investing easier and a [TS]

00:20:29 ◼   ► lower cost than most traditional [TS]

00:20:30 ◼   ► financial advisers they manage your [TS]

00:20:32 ◼   ► investors with the same strategies that [TS]

00:20:34 ◼   ► these advisors use with clients who have [TS]

00:20:35 ◼   ► millions of dollars you actually heard [TS]

00:20:37 ◼   ► about this in the press which has the [TS]

00:20:38 ◼   ► wall street journal Bloomberg and [TS]

00:20:40 ◼   ► techcrunch have all covered betterment [TS]

00:20:42 ◼   ► betterment is an independent automated [TS]

00:20:44 ◼   ► investing server since the largest [TS]

00:20:46 ◼   ► independent investment service managing [TS]

00:20:48 ◼   ► more than 5.5 billion dollars for over a [TS]

00:20:50 ◼   ► hundred and eighty thousand customers as [TS]

00:20:52 ◼   ► of this past fall the financial services [TS]

00:20:54 ◼   ► industry has embraced technology and [TS]

00:20:56 ◼   ► innovation through the creation of the [TS]

00:20:58 ◼   ► automated investing services meaning [TS]

00:20:59 ◼   ► that you keep more of your money with [TS]

00:21:01 ◼   ► fees that are a fraction of what you [TS]

00:21:02 ◼   ► would pay for traditional financial [TS]

00:21:03 ◼   ► services and and their advisers and [TS]

00:21:05 ◼   ► excess cash that the investment generate [TS]

00:21:07 ◼   ► is automatically reinvested so every [TS]

00:21:09 ◼   ► dollar you invest is put to work all the [TS]

00:21:11 ◼   ► time and your portfolio is automatically [TS]

00:21:13 ◼   ► rebalanced so check out today go to [TS]

00:21:15 ◼   ► betterment calm / ATP to learn more go [TS]

00:21:19 ◼   ► to six months of no fees investing [TS]

00:21:21 ◼   ► involves risk once again go to [TS]

00:21:23 ◼   ► betterment calm / ATP that's betterment [TS]

00:21:26 ◼   ► calm / ATP betterment investing made [TS]

00:21:29 ◼   ► better [TS]

00:21:33 ◼   ► on pros leaving the mac apparently [TS]

00:21:36 ◼   ► somebody has done a little bit of [TS]

00:21:38 ◼   ► pulling and research about whether or [TS]

00:21:42 ◼   ► not designers would ever consider motion [TS]

00:21:44 ◼   ► designer specifically whatever that [TS]

00:21:46 ◼   ► means would you ever consider switching [TS]

00:21:47 ◼   ► to a pc yes 42-percent maybe forty [TS]

00:21:50 ◼   ► percent no eighteen percent that isn't [TS]

00:21:53 ◼   ► just bit to reinforce the idea was I [TS]

00:21:55 ◼   ► said last show that like professional [TS]

00:21:57 ◼   ► users whose job is to do like motion [TS]

00:21:59 ◼   ► graphics they're not mac users their [TS]

00:22:01 ◼   ► motion graphic designers right this is [TS]

00:22:03 ◼   ► what they do they I think this means [TS]

00:22:04 ◼   ► like motion video [TS]

00:22:05 ◼   ► you know like basically video effects [TS]

00:22:07 ◼   ► are transitions during the news or [TS]

00:22:08 ◼   ► whatever I think that's what this means [TS]

00:22:10 ◼   ► is what this website is about it's [TS]

00:22:11 ◼   ► called school of motion calm so it's [TS]

00:22:13 ◼   ► entirely a professional website for [TS]

00:22:15 ◼   ► people who do this for a living [TS]

00:22:17 ◼   ► it's not about Max it's not about [TS]

00:22:18 ◼   ► computers not about what to use do for a [TS]

00:22:20 ◼   ► living it's like I want to do this for a [TS]

00:22:21 ◼   ► living and then they talk about the [TS]

00:22:23 ◼   ► tools that they use so they want to get [TS]

00:22:24 ◼   ► the job done [TS]

00:22:26 ◼   ► they don't necessarily care about a [TS]

00:22:27 ◼   ► particular something the survey was [TS]

00:22:29 ◼   ► would you consider switching to be so it [TS]

00:22:31 ◼   ► shows that in general the bent of the [TS]

00:22:33 ◼   ► sites like we mostly use macs to do this [TS]

00:22:34 ◼   ► we talk about programs that are [TS]

00:22:36 ◼   ► available on the mac to do it like [TS]

00:22:38 ◼   ► motion i think is still for sale anyway [TS]

00:22:41 ◼   ► would you consider switching to be c a2 [TS]

00:22:44 ◼   ► percent are either yes or maybe only [TS]

00:22:46 ◼   ► eighteen percent say no because the [TS]

00:22:48 ◼   ► bottom line is it's like well if that's [TS]

00:22:50 ◼   ► the way I have to go to do motion [TS]

00:22:52 ◼   ► graphics i will do it because you know [TS]

00:22:56 ◼   ► they're not going to change your [TS]

00:22:57 ◼   ► profession biggest the computer they [TS]

00:22:58 ◼   ► like doesn't let them do they do it [TS]

00:22:59 ◼   ► they're gonna change platform so you [TS]

00:23:02 ◼   ► know and again like I said on the last [TS]

00:23:04 ◼   ► show it doesn't mean that every company [TS]

00:23:06 ◼   ► tries to make that transition will be [TS]

00:23:07 ◼   ► successful it's very you know disruptive [TS]

00:23:09 ◼   ► to have to buy all new hardware and [TS]

00:23:11 ◼   ► learn new programs and buy new licenses [TS]

00:23:12 ◼   ► and deal with you know file formats and [TS]

00:23:15 ◼   ► legacy date and all the stuff but in [TS]

00:23:18 ◼   ► general if the company doesn't serve a [TS]

00:23:21 ◼   ► professional market like that the market [TS]

00:23:23 ◼   ► will switch very quickly because the [TS]

00:23:25 ◼   ► market is not sentimental individual [TS]

00:23:27 ◼   ► people may be sentimental even whole [TS]

00:23:29 ◼   ► companies can be sentimental but the [TS]

00:23:30 ◼   ► market in terms of I need a bunch of [TS]

00:23:31 ◼   ► people to do jobs x4 me with computers [TS]

00:23:34 ◼   ► is not sentimental and if you don't do [TS]

00:23:36 ◼   ► the job someone else will and whatever [TS]

00:23:38 ◼   ► to get a job [TS]

00:23:39 ◼   ► alright so the next item in the list [TS]

00:23:42 ◼   ► scares me deeply [TS]

00:23:44 ◼   ► me too says [TS]

00:23:46 ◼   ► it says casey and marcos homework and I [TS]

00:23:48 ◼   ► think I can speak for Marco and saying [TS]

00:23:50 ◼   ► well maybe that I don't remember that [TS]

00:23:52 ◼   ► might be just me but I can speak for [TS]

00:23:54 ◼   ► marketing saying I didn't do my homework [TS]

00:23:56 ◼   ► so i suppose what was I supposed to have [TS]

00:23:58 ◼   ► been doing that could always speak for [TS]

00:24:00 ◼   ► me Casey right that part I was confident [TS]

00:24:02 ◼   ► it was the remembering part i wasn't [TS]

00:24:03 ◼   ► sure about i also don't remember what [TS]

00:24:05 ◼   ► the homework was I felt bad because i [TS]

00:24:07 ◼   ► was listening back to the show well two [TS]

00:24:09 ◼   ► people were tweeting at us like I can't [TS]

00:24:11 ◼   ► wait to hear Casey and Marco and [TS]

00:24:13 ◼   ► homework and and at that point I'd [TS]

00:24:15 ◼   ► forgotten what I had said designed to [TS]

00:24:17 ◼   ► you for homework but I remember doing it [TS]

00:24:19 ◼   ► but I did it mostly as a joke because we [TS]

00:24:21 ◼   ► are we know that you have time to hunt [TS]

00:24:22 ◼   ► homework so when I was listening back to [TS]

00:24:24 ◼   ► the show as i do i was reminded of what [TS]

00:24:26 ◼   ► the homework was but listeners may be [TS]

00:24:29 ◼   ► their new listeners say something about [TS]

00:24:30 ◼   ► that you're going to actually do this [TS]

00:24:31 ◼   ► helper a remember with homework 1 i'm [TS]

00:24:34 ◼   ► gonna be come to the show ready to have [TS]

00:24:37 ◼   ► the homework was very optimistic [TS]

00:24:39 ◼   ► yeah don't work was the idea of trying [TS]

00:24:42 ◼   ► to say trying to figure out how you [TS]

00:24:45 ◼   ► would distinguish between a situation [TS]

00:24:47 ◼   ► where the world is moving on from PCs [TS]

00:24:50 ◼   ► and we are just being left behind [TS]

00:24:52 ◼   ► because we were dinosaurs or a situation [TS]

00:24:54 ◼   ► where Apple especially abandoning the [TS]

00:24:56 ◼   ► mac market even though the early concept [TS]

00:24:59 ◼   ► of of a pc style computer has many many [TS]

00:25:02 ◼   ► years to go and apples making a mistake [TS]

00:25:04 ◼   ► and the idea from the perspective of [TS]

00:25:06 ◼   ► someone who loves Mack those can both [TS]

00:25:08 ◼   ► look the same from the inside [TS]

00:25:09 ◼   ► what might you look for what how what [TS]

00:25:12 ◼   ► might look for from the inside to try to [TS]

00:25:13 ◼   ► distinguish those two situations what [TS]

00:25:15 ◼   ► I'd like is there something because they [TS]

00:25:17 ◼   ► feel the same and look the same but is [TS]

00:25:19 ◼   ► there some kind of thing you can look at [TS]

00:25:22 ◼   ► to say okay well if it was the case that [TS]

00:25:24 ◼   ► we were being left behind as dinosaurs [TS]

00:25:25 ◼   ► we would see this but if it turns out [TS]

00:25:27 ◼   ► that Apple's actually making a mistake [TS]

00:25:28 ◼   ► we would see that instead [TS]

00:25:29 ◼   ► is there anything we can look for to let [TS]

00:25:32 ◼   ► us know which those two things aren't [TS]

00:25:34 ◼   ► couldn't think of anything on the show [TS]

00:25:35 ◼   ► and so I signed his homework and you [TS]

00:25:37 ◼   ► probably forgot about what I don't [TS]

00:25:38 ◼   ► suppose you have any but interesting [TS]

00:25:40 ◼   ► thoughts on it now [TS]

00:25:41 ◼   ► not really i mean i don't really care [TS]

00:25:44 ◼   ► what the difference there is I want what [TS]

00:25:45 ◼   ► I want if Apple's not gonna provide [TS]

00:25:47 ◼   ► anybody yell about it [TS]

00:25:48 ◼   ► yeah no I mean it's true i must say you [TS]

00:25:50 ◼   ► don't you understand why i think it's [TS]

00:25:52 ◼   ► interesting too because i am interested [TS]

00:25:53 ◼   ► in whether it's the most difficult to be [TS]

00:25:56 ◼   ► objective about something [TS]

00:25:58 ◼   ► that did you know you care deeply about [TS]

00:26:00 ◼   ► but it makes you kind of an enemy of [TS]

00:26:03 ◼   ► progress if you know you know if the [TS]

00:26:07 ◼   ► whatever the the buggy whip sales [TS]

00:26:09 ◼   ► wherever it's like you know or skc was [TS]

00:26:11 ◼   ► saying the stick shift thing where if [TS]

00:26:14 ◼   ► you know are you are you using your [TS]

00:26:17 ◼   ► influence to actually stop the future [TS]

00:26:19 ◼   ► from coming or are you right and that's [TS]

00:26:21 ◼   ► not actually the future and really apple [TS]

00:26:23 ◼   ► just doing something dumb and I think it [TS]

00:26:24 ◼   ► makes a difference because i don't want [TS]

00:26:25 ◼   ► to to use all my power and influence and [TS]

00:26:29 ◼   ► arguing skills to try to hold back [TS]

00:26:31 ◼   ► progress right so i would like to know [TS]

00:26:33 ◼   ► if i am not that I'm not going to be [TS]

00:26:37 ◼   ► upset about it but I would like to know [TS]

00:26:38 ◼   ► if I am actually the enemy of progress [TS]

00:26:41 ◼   ► here by clinging to the idea of the [TS]

00:26:43 ◼   ► personal computer right and so I'm [TS]

00:26:46 ◼   ► interested in being able to determine [TS]

00:26:47 ◼   ► what the situation is now I i feel like [TS]

00:26:51 ◼   ► i'm not particularly strongly on either [TS]

00:26:54 ◼   ► side of this I I don't think this is for [TS]

00:26:56 ◼   ► me personally the situation and maybe [TS]

00:26:58 ◼   ► Marco doesn't care but i think it is I [TS]

00:27:01 ◼   ► think it's a thing worth considering for [TS]

00:27:03 ◼   ► all I'm not just for their you know [TS]

00:27:04 ◼   ► silly [TS]

00:27:05 ◼   ► yeah New York in the mac things but for [TS]

00:27:07 ◼   ► all things of this type especially as we [TS]

00:27:08 ◼   ► get older [TS]

00:27:09 ◼   ► very often what you really don't want is [TS]

00:27:12 ◼   ► for things to be different than the then [TS]

00:27:13 ◼   ► you're used to and it's very easy to [TS]

00:27:15 ◼   ► decide that your desire did not have [TS]

00:27:20 ◼   ► things change trumps everything else and [TS]

00:27:23 ◼   ► that's not you know i'm up i believe in [TS]

00:27:26 ◼   ► progress and I constantly want to make [TS]

00:27:29 ◼   ► sure that I am NOT slowly shifting to [TS]

00:27:32 ◼   ► the opposite side of progress because [TS]

00:27:34 ◼   ► when you see it from the outside you see [TS]

00:27:36 ◼   ► somebody who isn't an obvious enemy of [TS]

00:27:38 ◼   ► progress and doesn't realize it [TS]

00:27:39 ◼   ► it's a pitiable situation and I never [TS]

00:27:41 ◼   ► want to be in that situation [TS]

00:27:43 ◼   ► well you know i think it's it's somewhat [TS]

00:27:45 ◼   ► useful to look around to see like all [TS]

00:27:48 ◼   ► right I have these like opinions on how [TS]

00:27:52 ◼   ► the types of work that I do the types of [TS]

00:27:54 ◼   ► problems that i need to solve how these [TS]

00:27:56 ◼   ► things should or need to be done you [TS]

00:27:59 ◼   ► know obviously one of the biggest things [TS]

00:28:01 ◼   ► you could say is we'll look around other [TS]

00:28:02 ◼   ► people of similar problems are they [TS]

00:28:04 ◼   ► insisted on the same requirements are [TS]

00:28:06 ◼   ► days are they doing things that way or [TS]

00:28:09 ◼   ► did they move to something else [TS]

00:28:11 ◼   ► a long time ago [TS]

00:28:12 ◼   ► oh and you didn't and they are now get [TS]

00:28:14 ◼   ► along just fine without the like doing [TS]

00:28:17 ◼   ► the same kinds of things that you want [TS]

00:28:18 ◼   ► to do but in in in the new you know [TS]

00:28:21 ◼   ► quote progress way you know obviously [TS]

00:28:23 ◼   ► it's hard to make this apply to [TS]

00:28:26 ◼   ► everything and looking around you know [TS]

00:28:28 ◼   ► it's hard for people to have a lot of [TS]

00:28:30 ◼   ► good data on like you know what a lot of [TS]

00:28:32 ◼   ► people doing because you know mostly [TS]

00:28:33 ◼   ► just a little while I look around and I [TS]

00:28:35 ◼   ► see like the other people in my office [TS]

00:28:37 ◼   ► are doing this or my parents are doing [TS]

00:28:39 ◼   ► this or my kids are doing this or [TS]

00:28:40 ◼   ► whatever you could look at it you know [TS]

00:28:42 ◼   ► you have a few friends you can look at [TS]

00:28:44 ◼   ► but like most people have a pretty small [TS]

00:28:46 ◼   ► sample group they can draw from for that [TS]

00:28:48 ◼   ► kind of analysis but I think sometimes [TS]

00:28:50 ◼   ► that's enough [TS]

00:28:51 ◼   ► you know I i think if you if you can [TS]

00:28:53 ◼   ► look around you can see like am I the [TS]

00:28:55 ◼   ► last person doing this this way you know [TS]

00:28:58 ◼   ► like that then that's that's probably a [TS]

00:29:00 ◼   ► sign that you are on the wrong side of [TS]

00:29:01 ◼   ► things but if there's still like if the [TS]

00:29:04 ◼   ► way if what you are defending is still [TS]

00:29:07 ◼   ► done by what seems like the majority [TS]

00:29:11 ◼   ► people who do that kind of thing then [TS]

00:29:14 ◼   ► you might still be wrong like you know [TS]

00:29:16 ◼   ► you might be at the very beginning of a [TS]

00:29:17 ◼   ► wave and just everyone else hasn't [TS]

00:29:19 ◼   ► realized it yet either but chances are [TS]

00:29:21 ◼   ► you're probably at least a little bit [TS]

00:29:23 ◼   ► right [TS]

00:29:23 ◼   ► chances are that you know you're [TS]

00:29:24 ◼   ► probably on the right side of that at [TS]

00:29:26 ◼   ► least for now [TS]

00:29:27 ◼   ► you know it might be something that's [TS]

00:29:28 ◼   ► really forward-looking that everyone's [TS]

00:29:30 ◼   ► missing but that doesn't happen very [TS]

00:29:32 ◼   ► often [TS]

00:29:33 ◼   ► everyone thinks that happens a lot but [TS]

00:29:34 ◼   ► it doesn't happen very often in reality [TS]

00:29:36 ◼   ► I was actually having an interesting [TS]

00:29:39 ◼   ► conversation with a friend of mine [TS]

00:29:40 ◼   ► earlier earlier tonight about whether or [TS]

00:29:44 ◼   ► not [TS]

00:29:45 ◼   ► olee he said to me something I thought [TS]

00:29:48 ◼   ► was very interesting and he said the mac [TS]

00:29:52 ◼   ► or not the mac excuse me [TS]

00:29:53 ◼   ► desktop os's are solved problem and I [TS]

00:29:56 ◼   ► think he was being a little bit of [TS]

00:29:59 ◼   ► dramatics right word but he was kind of [TS]

00:30:01 ◼   ► playing up his point of view a little [TS]

00:30:02 ◼   ► bit right to make a point but he was [TS]

00:30:05 ◼   ► saying you know desktop OS is our solve [TS]

00:30:07 ◼   ► problems and and at first I was like [TS]

00:30:10 ◼   ► what's no God no what are you talking [TS]

00:30:12 ◼   ► about but as I thought about it I I [TS]

00:30:15 ◼   ► still disagree with him and again I [TS]

00:30:17 ◼   ► think he was just making a point to to [TS]

00:30:19 ◼   ► come play devil's advocate but [TS]

00:30:21 ◼   ► I understand where he's coming from in [TS]

00:30:23 ◼   ► that if you look at what we want from a [TS]

00:30:28 ◼   ► desktop OS and and he asked me that [TS]

00:30:30 ◼   ► actually in but I said to him was I just [TS]

00:30:33 ◼   ► wanted not to be ignored man like i just [TS]

00:30:35 ◼   ► want progress but if you look at it [TS]

00:30:37 ◼   ► there's been progress like Siri doesn't [TS]

00:30:41 ◼   ► really do anything for me on the desktop [TS]

00:30:42 ◼   ► but that's progress that's a big deal [TS]

00:30:44 ◼   ► and that's just a single data point but [TS]

00:30:47 ◼   ► it's an example of things that are [TS]

00:30:49 ◼   ► happening everyone has been a moaning [TS]

00:30:52 ◼   ► lately about how messages hasn't been [TS]

00:30:54 ◼   ► touched on Sierra that's just not right [TS]

00:30:57 ◼   ► like the the rich previews or how [TS]

00:31:00 ◼   ► rephrase it where for example you paste [TS]

00:31:02 ◼   ► a link to a tweet and you see the tweet [TS]

00:31:06 ◼   ► in in the messages window like granted i [TS]

00:31:09 ◼   ► wish i had sticker support in Sierra [TS]

00:31:11 ◼   ► like I totally do [TS]

00:31:13 ◼   ► I don't know that I would use it that [TS]

00:31:14 ◼   ► often but i just wish i had the support [TS]

00:31:15 ◼   ► for right but even something as are [TS]

00:31:19 ◼   ► arguably silly as rich previews and [TS]

00:31:23 ◼   ► messages makes a world of difference and [TS]

00:31:25 ◼   ► that's progress and so to me I think [TS]

00:31:28 ◼   ► just not even necessarily bringing iOS [TS]

00:31:31 ◼   ► and into mac OS but just having that [TS]

00:31:33 ◼   ► that that continued incremental [TS]

00:31:36 ◼   ► improvement that's all I really want [TS]

00:31:37 ◼   ► from a desktop OS right now into that in [TS]

00:31:40 ◼   ► my friends kind of write that in a large [TS]

00:31:43 ◼   ► way it's kind of a solved problem now [TS]

00:31:45 ◼   ► the next breath I'll tell you what is it [TS]

00:31:46 ◼   ► really a small problem with the touch [TS]

00:31:48 ◼   ► bar this is brand new paradigm that just [TS]

00:31:49 ◼   ► came out we don't really know what we're [TS]

00:31:50 ◼   ► doing with that so obviously this is a [TS]

00:31:52 ◼   ► very shaky argument but when you compare [TS]

00:31:55 ◼   ► that to iOS where there's plenty of work [TS]

00:31:59 ◼   ► left to be done certainly iOS is in many [TS]

00:32:03 ◼   ► ways the more interesting platform now [TS]

00:32:05 ◼   ► not necessarily saying interesting to me [TS]

00:32:07 ◼   ► i'm not saying interesting to everyone [TS]

00:32:09 ◼   ► because personally I still like the mac [TS]

00:32:11 ◼   ► i still prefer the mac we went over this [TS]

00:32:13 ◼   ► either last episode last episode before [TS]

00:32:15 ◼   ► but there's a lot more progress to be [TS]

00:32:17 ◼   ► made and I look at people like Ben [TS]

00:32:19 ◼   ► Brooks I look at the teaching and I look [TS]

00:32:22 ◼   ► at my curly and I see them doing [TS]

00:32:24 ◼   ► everything in their jobs or nearly [TS]

00:32:26 ◼   ► everything on iOS devices and I come to [TS]

00:32:30 ◼   ► kind of what John was saying a minute [TS]

00:32:32 ◼   ► ago and either one [TS]

00:32:33 ◼   ► that's telling everyone to get off there [TS]

00:32:35 ◼   ► get off my lawn like am I the one that's [TS]

00:32:36 ◼   ► really holding on to the past and I'm [TS]

00:32:39 ◼   ► not saying that is the case but I am [TS]

00:32:41 ◼   ► definitely wandering into more directly [TS]

00:32:43 ◼   ► answer Jon's question how do we know [TS]

00:32:45 ◼   ► which one of these it is i'm not sure [TS]

00:32:48 ◼   ► but right now i can tell you that it [TS]

00:32:52 ◼   ► seems to me like there are some pretty [TS]

00:32:56 ◼   ► direct ways to accomplish things on the [TS]

00:32:59 ◼   ► mac and i can think of a great example [TS]

00:33:02 ◼   ► of top my head but but there you can [TS]

00:33:04 ◼   ► accomplish a lot of things on the mac [TS]

00:33:05 ◼   ► directly where in iOS you need to like [TS]

00:33:09 ◼   ► daisy chain 7 different apps to make the [TS]

00:33:11 ◼   ► same operation happen and that doesn't [TS]

00:33:14 ◼   ► mean that iOS is wrong but to me as long [TS]

00:33:17 ◼   ► as that still the case as long as you [TS]

00:33:19 ◼   ► still have to write a custom workflow to [TS]

00:33:21 ◼   ► get something to happen in the workflow [TS]

00:33:23 ◼   ► app which by the way is truly [TS]

00:33:24 ◼   ► mind-boggling amazing but as long as [TS]

00:33:26 ◼   ► that's how you get things done like that [TS]

00:33:28 ◼   ► is the official way to get things done [TS]

00:33:30 ◼   ► on iOS I don't think that the mac is [TS]

00:33:33 ◼   ► dead quite yet and I mean I'm not even [TS]

00:33:36 ◼   ► talking about like writing code or [TS]

00:33:37 ◼   ► anything like that i'm just talking [TS]

00:33:38 ◼   ► about like general things that that [TS]

00:33:40 ◼   ► professionals do and you can define [TS]

00:33:42 ◼   ► professionals professional podcasters as [TS]

00:33:44 ◼   ► professional project managers as cmo's [TS]

00:33:47 ◼   ► whatever benbrook his title is I don't [TS]

00:33:48 ◼   ► even remember anymore but if they're [TS]

00:33:51 ◼   ► jumping through hoops in order to get [TS]

00:33:52 ◼   ► their work done even if they don't [TS]

00:33:54 ◼   ► necessarily feel like it's jumping [TS]

00:33:55 ◼   ► through hoops it's still daisy-chaining [TS]

00:33:57 ◼   ► a bunch of different steps together as [TS]

00:33:59 ◼   ► long as that's still a thing I don't [TS]

00:34:00 ◼   ► think the mac is dead but when that [TS]

00:34:02 ◼   ► stops being a thing or becomes even [TS]

00:34:04 ◼   ► easier to kind of daisy chain all these [TS]

00:34:06 ◼   ► things you're not writing custom [TS]

00:34:07 ◼   ► workflows because apps are supporting it [TS]

00:34:08 ◼   ► then I start to wonder maybe on the old [TS]

00:34:13 ◼   ► man here after all [TS]

00:34:14 ◼   ► well that this is why I think it's [TS]

00:34:15 ◼   ► important to me to really make these [TS]

00:34:18 ◼   ► these observational comparisons will [TS]

00:34:20 ◼   ► check out your conversations on people [TS]

00:34:23 ◼   ► who do the same kind of work that you do [TS]

00:34:25 ◼   ► right like you know people you mentioned [TS]

00:34:27 ◼   ► are podcasters and writers and the [TS]

00:34:32 ◼   ► podcasters also use macs to podcast with [TS]

00:34:35 ◼   ► not not all podcast but the ones you [TS]

00:34:37 ◼   ► mentioned and you know a writer can get [TS]

00:34:41 ◼   ► away with using iOS only or primarily a [TS]

00:34:44 ◼   ► lot more easily than a programmer can [TS]

00:34:45 ◼   ► day and you know so I i think it once [TS]

00:34:49 ◼   ► people like you know you and I all three [TS]

00:34:52 ◼   ► of us are all programmers once a whole [TS]

00:34:54 ◼   ► bunch of programmers dump their pcs and [TS]

00:34:57 ◼   ► macs and do everything to all of their [TS]

00:34:59 ◼   ► work on iOS then I think we have to [TS]

00:35:02 ◼   ► start looking okay you know this there's [TS]

00:35:04 ◼   ► a thing here we should we should [TS]

00:35:05 ◼   ► consider this we should pay attention to [TS]

00:35:07 ◼   ► this maybe we're wrong at that point but [TS]

00:35:10 ◼   ► until that happens which might never [TS]

00:35:12 ◼   ► come again I want to be very careful [TS]

00:35:15 ◼   ► here and how i phrase this like you know [TS]

00:35:17 ◼   ► you said like you know like you know [TS]

00:35:19 ◼   ► that the mac is dead and back is in debt [TS]

00:35:21 ◼   ► until this happens and a lot of people [TS]

00:35:22 ◼   ► you know that you phrase these things in [TS]

00:35:25 ◼   ► a way that presents them as an [TS]

00:35:26 ◼   ► inevitable future but i do want to i do [TS]

00:35:29 ◼   ► want to be clear here that when i talk [TS]

00:35:31 ◼   ► about this i'm not necessarily [TS]

00:35:33 ◼   ► considering this inevitable future the [TS]

00:35:36 ◼   ► future I mean you know obviously OS [TS]

00:35:38 ◼   ► eventually do die and and you know fall [TS]

00:35:41 ◼   ► out of favor and fall to use and [TS]

00:35:42 ◼   ► maintenance but I i am still not yet [TS]

00:35:45 ◼   ► convinced that the pc style operating [TS]

00:35:47 ◼   ► system is destined to to be you know [TS]

00:35:51 ◼   ► sideline and killed in favor of the [TS]

00:35:54 ◼   ► mobile style operating system within the [TS]

00:35:56 ◼   ► foreseeable future like eventually on a [TS]

00:35:58 ◼   ► different time scale might happen but [TS]

00:35:59 ◼   ► you know I i don't i don't see this as [TS]

00:36:01 ◼   ► like the obvious you know foretold [TS]

00:36:03 ◼   ► future that is that is certain to happen [TS]

00:36:05 ◼   ► but in any way I think you really have [TS]

00:36:08 ◼   ► to just look at like you know people who [TS]

00:36:10 ◼   ► do the kind of work you do and most of [TS]

00:36:12 ◼   ► the people who were talking about going [TS]

00:36:14 ◼   ► ios-only or iOS being the inevitable [TS]

00:36:16 ◼   ► future [TS]

00:36:17 ◼   ► most of these people are writers and [TS]

00:36:21 ◼   ► analysts and executives and that's fine [TS]

00:36:25 ◼   ► and there's a lot of people who who that [TS]

00:36:26 ◼   ► will be fine for but if you start [TS]

00:36:29 ◼   ► talking to people who do different kinds [TS]

00:36:30 ◼   ► of things their computers including [TS]

00:36:32 ◼   ► things that we all that all three of us [TS]

00:36:34 ◼   ► do then you start very quickly to hit [TS]

00:36:37 ◼   ► limits of like oh well you you kind of [TS]

00:36:38 ◼   ► can't do that on iOS yet or you that's [TS]

00:36:41 ◼   ► really difficult and clunky to do in iOS [TS]

00:36:43 ◼   ► I don't think you can look at a bunch of [TS]

00:36:44 ◼   ► people who professionally right as their [TS]

00:36:47 ◼   ► main job and and say like well they're [TS]

00:36:51 ◼   ► all using iPads therefore i should be [TS]

00:36:53 ◼   ► using an iPad you been you should be [TS]

00:36:55 ◼   ► more concerned if people who do the [TS]

00:36:57 ◼   ► kinds of things you do [TS]

00:36:59 ◼   ► like programming if they switch and [TS]

00:37:01 ◼   ► that's when you should pay attention [TS]

00:37:03 ◼   ► I I largely agree with you but I don't [TS]

00:37:06 ◼   ► think it's fair to classify federico [TS]

00:37:09 ◼   ► Mike and Brooks all is simply writers I [TS]

00:37:11 ◼   ► mean I think they're doing I didn't say [TS]

00:37:12 ◼   ► simply and I well that's important [TS]

00:37:16 ◼   ► ok it's not there it's a job that is [TS]

00:37:18 ◼   ► very amenable to iOS primary or iOS only [TS]

00:37:22 ◼   ► work and there are a lot of jobs which [TS]

00:37:24 ◼   ► is the case but there's a lot where it [TS]

00:37:27 ◼   ► isn't also yeah I guess my point is that [TS]

00:37:30 ◼   ► I I don't want to paint the image [TS]

00:37:31 ◼   ► because I can hear Mike Harley and [TS]

00:37:34 ◼   ► Federico screaming at us from the future [TS]

00:37:36 ◼   ► it's not all that is right you know [TS]

00:37:38 ◼   ► it'sit's there they're doing sometimes [TS]

00:37:41 ◼   ► relatively intense you know spreadsheet [TS]

00:37:43 ◼   ► working look at the the quarterly [TS]

00:37:45 ◼   ► earnings reports that federico to your [TS]

00:37:47 ◼   ► farts out in the span of like four [TS]

00:37:48 ◼   ► seconds because while the workflows it [TS]

00:37:50 ◼   ► he's built in and you know Mike it in in [TS]

00:37:53 ◼   ► in Stephen hacker you know building for [TS]

00:37:55 ◼   ► invoicing advertisers and doing all [TS]

00:37:58 ◼   ► sorts of like traditional business see [TS]

00:38:00 ◼   ► things so I i agree with you that that [TS]

00:38:04 ◼   ► it is mostly writer like things on the [TS]

00:38:07 ◼   ► surface but there's a lot more to it [TS]

00:38:09 ◼   ► when you start digging in [TS]

00:38:10 ◼   ► but that doesn't negate your point that [TS]

00:38:12 ◼   ► the these people with the exception [TS]

00:38:14 ◼   ► perhaps of Federico actually these [TS]

00:38:15 ◼   ► people are not developers they're not [TS]

00:38:17 ◼   ► writing code will accept federico honey [TS]

00:38:20 ◼   ► their devices in Federation a liar and a [TS]

00:38:22 ◼   ► lot of his yeah I I agree I agree but on [TS]

00:38:25 ◼   ► but yeah I it's not the sort of thing [TS]

00:38:28 ◼   ► that the three of us do but i don't want [TS]

00:38:29 ◼   ► to discount in summary as as legitimate [TS]

00:38:32 ◼   ► work that is more than just writing [TS]

00:38:34 ◼   ► prose on a piece of paper that's all it [TS]

00:38:36 ◼   ► no I never said legitimate or simple lie [TS]

00:38:38 ◼   ► I'm not sayin yeah i'm not i'm not [TS]

00:38:40 ◼   ► characterizing it this way it is [TS]

00:38:42 ◼   ► different software needs and different [TS]

00:38:44 ◼   ► with different things you need from your [TS]

00:38:45 ◼   ► computing devices and and and different [TS]

00:38:47 ◼   ► levels of of like flexibility and access [TS]

00:38:50 ◼   ► to things like files and inner inner [TS]

00:38:53 ◼   ► program communication and the [TS]

00:38:55 ◼   ► integration of lots of things within the [TS]

00:38:57 ◼   ► same data set like we did with [TS]

00:38:58 ◼   ► programming like that you know they're [TS]

00:39:00 ◼   ► there are certain traits witnesses to [TS]

00:39:02 ◼   ► both OS styles but again you know I i [TS]

00:39:05 ◼   ► think when people who do the kinds of [TS]

00:39:07 ◼   ► things you do are switching and mass [TS]

00:39:10 ◼   ► that's when to pay attention before that [TS]

00:39:12 ◼   ► happen [TS]

00:39:13 ◼   ► that unless that happens I I don't think [TS]

00:39:15 ◼   ► you need to be worried too much that you [TS]

00:39:18 ◼   ► are the dinosaur holding back progress [TS]

00:39:19 ◼   ► also it's quite impressive that john [TS]

00:39:22 ◼   ► thinks that we can hold back progress [TS]

00:39:23 ◼   ► but now i'm just saying like what are [TS]

00:39:26 ◼   ► you spending your time doing this is [TS]

00:39:27 ◼   ► that if you see somebody yelling yes [TS]

00:39:28 ◼   ► that even if they if they don't actually [TS]

00:39:30 ◼   ► do anything it does not it seems like [TS]

00:39:33 ◼   ► they're they're wasting their time and [TS]

00:39:34 ◼   ► it's a sad situation where they don't [TS]

00:39:36 ◼   ► realize that the world is passing by one [TS]

00:39:38 ◼   ► more item on this the that i think about [TS]

00:39:40 ◼   ► it sort of the second level version of [TS]

00:39:43 ◼   ► checking yourself which is more focused [TS]

00:39:46 ◼   ► on Apple the company and less focused on [TS]

00:39:49 ◼   ► whether what the future of computing is [TS]

00:39:54 ◼   ► and that is the question of whether it's [TS]

00:39:58 ◼   ► important for Apple to be in the the [TS]

00:40:03 ◼   ► personal computer market so even if you [TS]

00:40:05 ◼   ► see everything that Marco said that like [TS]

00:40:06 ◼   ► okay well people doing these types of [TS]

00:40:08 ◼   ► jobs still need pc or whatever is it the [TS]

00:40:11 ◼   ► best thing for the company called apple [TS]

00:40:13 ◼   ► does it need to be in the pc market and [TS]

00:40:16 ◼   ► that's where we talk about the goal they [TS]

00:40:17 ◼   ► need you know the max developer iOS what [TS]

00:40:19 ◼   ► they have a development environment [TS]

00:40:20 ◼   ► iPads well it's not the same blog could [TS]

00:40:23 ◼   ► you develop iOS applications on PCs like [TS]

00:40:24 ◼   ► that's the next question is even if you [TS]

00:40:27 ◼   ► stipulate pieces are going away anytime [TS]

00:40:29 ◼   ► soon [TS]

00:40:30 ◼   ► should Apple continue to sell pcs is the [TS]

00:40:33 ◼   ► mac only hang around for old times sake [TS]

00:40:37 ◼   ► and tradition and affection but it will [TS]

00:40:41 ◼   ► be better for the company to allow all [TS]

00:40:45 ◼   ► the people who develop for iOS to do so [TS]

00:40:47 ◼   ► on a platform that someone else [TS]

00:40:48 ◼   ► maintains and really is arguing for [TS]

00:40:52 ◼   ► Apple to say in the market really we're [TS]

00:40:55 ◼   ► just trying to like you know I mean we [TS]

00:40:56 ◼   ► made the argument of times like that [TS]

00:40:57 ◼   ► every every other alternative is worse [TS]

00:40:59 ◼   ► so we would be sad but it from the [TS]

00:41:02 ◼   ► perspective of Apple the company they [TS]

00:41:04 ◼   ► may say yes everyone we agree every [TS]

00:41:06 ◼   ► alternative is worse than the mac but [TS]

00:41:08 ◼   ► the mac is no longer worth the money for [TS]

00:41:10 ◼   ► us to invest in a rather than letting a [TS]

00:41:11 ◼   ► limp along with us never updating our [TS]

00:41:13 ◼   ► stuff and you being all mad about it why [TS]

00:41:15 ◼   ► don't we just get out of the business [TS]

00:41:16 ◼   ► same way we got out of printers and [TS]

00:41:18 ◼   ► Wi-Fi hubs and what [TS]

00:41:20 ◼   ► that also they're not in and won't that [TS]

00:41:22 ◼   ► be refreshing we can finally concentrate [TS]

00:41:24 ◼   ► on the thing we do best which is the [TS]

00:41:26 ◼   ► iphone with some ancillary iOS type [TS]

00:41:28 ◼   ► things and you blah blah blah [TS]

00:41:31 ◼   ► I i think you know obviously I disagree [TS]

00:41:33 ◼   ► with that everybody that's that's i [TS]

00:41:34 ◼   ► still keep it in mind as the second the [TS]

00:41:37 ◼   ► second possibility [TS]

00:41:38 ◼   ► the first being that you know that you [TS]

00:41:40 ◼   ► know we're on the wrong side of history [TS]

00:41:41 ◼   ► and the second is where the right side [TS]

00:41:42 ◼   ► of history but just because we love [TS]

00:41:45 ◼   ► apple just because it's the best that it [TS]

00:41:47 ◼   ► would actually be better for the company [TS]

00:41:48 ◼   ► Apple to get out of this business so I [TS]

00:41:50 ◼   ► could concentrate on the other stuff [TS]

00:41:51 ◼   ► which again I I don't buy but I still I [TS]

00:41:54 ◼   ► still entertain that as a thought [TS]

00:41:56 ◼   ► experiment that I that I revisit to make [TS]

00:41:58 ◼   ► sure that it's not the case because that [TS]

00:42:00 ◼   ► can sneak up on you to where you're like [TS]

00:42:01 ◼   ► you feel so strongly that you're right [TS]

00:42:02 ◼   ► that like look everybody who's editing [TS]

00:42:04 ◼   ► videos doing in a big powerful personal [TS]

00:42:06 ◼   ► computer [TS]

00:42:07 ◼   ► prosecutors can't go I'm a video editor [TS]

00:42:08 ◼   ► i need that video i look at all the [TS]

00:42:10 ◼   ► other people who are writing video and [TS]

00:42:11 ◼   ► no one's doing on an iPad clewd the [TS]

00:42:13 ◼   ► pieces of thing and then to make the [TS]

00:42:14 ◼   ► leap there for Apple needs to make a new [TS]

00:42:16 ◼   ► mac pro does Apple need to make an actor [TS]

00:42:18 ◼   ► or do you just need to switch to windows [TS]

00:42:20 ◼   ► and be sad my you know a bit because [TS]

00:42:22 ◼   ► again pros will use whatever they have [TS]

00:42:24 ◼   ► to use to get the job done and the more [TS]

00:42:26 ◼   ► like an appliance is the time on market [TS]

00:42:28 ◼   ► was talking about getting the surface to [TS]

00:42:29 ◼   ► do the more you use a computer like an [TS]

00:42:32 ◼   ► appliance to get your job done as a [TS]

00:42:34 ◼   ► professional the less tied you are [TS]

00:42:37 ◼   ► effectively if not emotionally to the [TS]

00:42:39 ◼   ► particular platform using so if you just [TS]

00:42:41 ◼   ► gonna be in Lightroom all day and the [TS]

00:42:42 ◼   ► surface to do is the best you know [TS]

00:42:44 ◼   ► dedicated lightroom appliance you go [TS]

00:42:46 ◼   ► into the office it down frame and all [TS]

00:42:48 ◼   ► you do is lightroom lightroom like them [TS]

00:42:49 ◼   ► all day long [TS]

00:42:50 ◼   ► maybe that is better than any solution [TS]

00:42:53 ◼   ► apple has to offer and maybe Apple [TS]

00:42:54 ◼   ► staying in that business is just [TS]

00:42:55 ◼   ► sometimes a mental thing that you care [TS]

00:42:56 ◼   ► about but realistically speaking we [TS]

00:42:58 ◼   ► would all be much happier of Apple got [TS]

00:42:59 ◼   ► out of it and stop making a line of [TS]

00:43:00 ◼   ► computers entirely and you just sat down [TS]

00:43:02 ◼   ► in front of your service to do and gave [TS]

00:43:03 ◼   ► that business to Microsoft some company [TS]

00:43:05 ◼   ► that that's actually interested in [TS]

00:43:06 ◼   ► pursuing it [TS]

00:43:08 ◼   ► yeah well as soon as apple tarts being [TS]

00:43:09 ◼   ► managed by the numbers that way they're [TS]

00:43:11 ◼   ► going to find themselves i think in in a [TS]

00:43:15 ◼   ► very boring and slowly declining place [TS]

00:43:18 ◼   ► with numbers suggest so or not that is a [TS]

00:43:20 ◼   ► very very fast way to become microsoft [TS]

00:43:22 ◼   ► with under steve ballmer I'm not like [TS]

00:43:24 ◼   ► that's you know that there was this [TS]

00:43:26 ◼   ► wonderful Steve Jobs video that flutter [TS]

00:43:29 ◼   ► and read a couple weeks ago about how [TS]

00:43:31 ◼   ► like [TS]

00:43:32 ◼   ► you know it took like five it takes like [TS]

00:43:33 ◼   ► five years to realize that when the bit [TS]

00:43:35 ◼   ► flips and you start like make computers [TS]

00:43:38 ◼   ► just to make money and not to make [TS]

00:43:39 ◼   ► better computers or something like that [TS]

00:43:41 ◼   ► i'm probably butchering it but he also [TS]

00:43:43 ◼   ► said he would milk the mac for all tours [TS]

00:43:44 ◼   ► and move on to the next big thing and [TS]

00:43:45 ◼   ► guess what [TS]

00:43:46 ◼   ► the mac is it's not like an analogy he [TS]

00:43:48 ◼   ► was talking about specifically the Mac [TS]

00:43:49 ◼   ► the Mac we're talking about now [TS]

00:43:51 ◼   ► no good for all it's worth we want the [TS]

00:43:52 ◼   ► next thing is clearly thought the next [TS]

00:43:53 ◼   ► thing was the iPhone the iPad and it's [TS]

00:43:56 ◼   ► pretty clear the next thing is the [TS]

00:43:57 ◼   ► iphone that but we're still making mac [TS]

00:43:59 ◼   ► so in some ways it would be like [TS]

00:44:00 ◼   ► pursuing your passion not continuing to [TS]

00:44:03 ◼   ► make the back just because you've always [TS]

00:44:04 ◼   ► made it if the company itself is [TS]

00:44:05 ◼   ► enthusiastic about iOS devices only then [TS]

00:44:08 ◼   ► continuing to make max in a [TS]

00:44:10 ◼   ► disappointing way you know it's not as [TS]

00:44:12 ◼   ► if I were you just going to go if you're [TS]

00:44:14 ◼   ► going to go by the numbers that i should [TS]

00:44:16 ◼   ► go where the big business but maybe that [TS]

00:44:17 ◼   ► maybe the passion just not doing it [TS]

00:44:18 ◼   ► anymore for the max maybe they see it as [TS]

00:44:20 ◼   ► a declining business they're not [TS]

00:44:21 ◼   ► interested in and isn't it better for [TS]

00:44:24 ◼   ► all of us to divorce this dysfunctional [TS]

00:44:26 ◼   ► relationship stop making the mac force [TS]

00:44:28 ◼   ► everybody to go windows which will or [TS]

00:44:30 ◼   ► whatever which will force more money [TS]

00:44:32 ◼   ► into that market that will hopefully [TS]

00:44:33 ◼   ► motivate microsoft to make the surface [TS]

00:44:34 ◼   ► to do better you know I'm am not [TS]

00:44:36 ◼   ► recommending any of this just because [TS]

00:44:38 ◼   ► you're all thought experiments and all [TS]

00:44:39 ◼   ► things that I revisit every visit mostly [TS]

00:44:41 ◼   ► reject but if you never revisit them [TS]

00:44:42 ◼   ► you'll they'll sneak up on you [TS]

00:44:45 ◼   ► well but here's the problem with [TS]

00:44:46 ◼   ► thinking so you start running the [TS]

00:44:49 ◼   ► company by the numbers and you think [TS]

00:44:52 ◼   ► well it'll be fine will you no will will [TS]

00:44:54 ◼   ► let the mac languages will kill it [TS]

00:44:55 ◼   ► because it's not you know it's not what [TS]

00:44:57 ◼   ► we want to go or whatever whatever the [TS]

00:44:59 ◼   ► reason doesn't matter but it's not about [TS]

00:45:00 ◼   ► the numbers they're not passionate about [TS]

00:45:01 ◼   ► is the past in there they're passionate [TS]

00:45:03 ◼   ► about the future so they're running it [TS]

00:45:04 ◼   ► by their passion they're not they're not [TS]

00:45:06 ◼   ► being a slave to the past they're saying [TS]

00:45:07 ◼   ► what we're interested in is I don't [TS]

00:45:09 ◼   ► maybe interested in AR or whatever but [TS]

00:45:11 ◼   ► you know that maybe they're not [TS]

00:45:12 ◼   ► interested in the mac anymore so I've [TS]

00:45:13 ◼   ► ever since the opposite of running about [TS]

00:45:15 ◼   ► that because the numbers would tell you [TS]

00:45:16 ◼   ► why throw away 22 billion dollar [TS]

00:45:17 ◼   ► business right [TS]

00:45:18 ◼   ► there's just this free money why you [TS]

00:45:20 ◼   ► throwing it away say we're throwing it [TS]

00:45:21 ◼   ► away so we can concentrate more fully on [TS]

00:45:23 ◼   ► the thing that we really believe in the [TS]

00:45:24 ◼   ► future which is the opposite of steve [TS]

00:45:26 ◼   ► ballmer steve ballmer will keep the mac [TS]

00:45:27 ◼   ► going forever and just do exactly what [TS]

00:45:29 ◼   ► the customers wanted forever and ever [TS]

00:45:31 ◼   ► as the rest of the world moves on you [TS]

00:45:33 ◼   ► know I mean I feel like that's more of [TS]

00:45:34 ◼   ► the steve ballmer your Apple would [TS]

00:45:35 ◼   ► definitely not keep some same products [TS]

00:45:37 ◼   ► forever [TS]

00:45:38 ◼   ► no I mean like I don't like I you know [TS]

00:45:40 ◼   ► of cell of trying to do with that market [TS]

00:45:42 ◼   ► wants exactly like they would be giving [TS]

00:45:44 ◼   ► us Big Macs with lots of [TS]

00:45:45 ◼   ► ports and you know constantly revising [TS]

00:45:47 ◼   ► them and just SAT like making them [TS]

00:45:50 ◼   ► satisfied in the way to like you know [TS]

00:45:51 ◼   ► IBM mainframe customers are satisfied [TS]

00:45:53 ◼   ► the IBM will continue to make mainframes [TS]

00:45:55 ◼   ► for its mainframe customers and give [TS]

00:45:56 ◼   ► them exactly what they want all the [TS]

00:45:58 ◼   ► while the whole rest of the movie world [TS]

00:46:00 ◼   ► is moving on from mainframes but they [TS]

00:46:02 ◼   ► don't know they're like it's fine you [TS]

00:46:03 ◼   ► know they keep making us better and [TS]

00:46:04 ◼   ► better mainframes and we love mainframes [TS]

00:46:05 ◼   ► and they wake up one day and the entire [TS]

00:46:07 ◼   ► world has moved on like wait there's [TS]

00:46:09 ◼   ► only like 10 of us left but we were so [TS]

00:46:11 ◼   ► happy for all these years and and we're [TS]

00:46:13 ◼   ► happy to give IBM all this money and [TS]

00:46:14 ◼   ► they kept making these also made for [TS]

00:46:15 ◼   ► insurance and the world has moved on [TS]

00:46:17 ◼   ► past right so that I feel like that's [TS]

00:46:19 ◼   ► more of a bomber thing fair but [TS]

00:46:22 ◼   ► everything you're saying about the mac [TS]

00:46:26 ◼   ► what happens when they apply that exact [TS]

00:46:29 ◼   ► same logic to the iphone but they can I [TS]

00:46:33 ◼   ► mean if there are no longer passionate [TS]

00:46:35 ◼   ► about the iphone and they think the next [TS]

00:46:36 ◼   ► big thing is something else you know [TS]

00:46:38 ◼   ► then they should like it's it's exactly [TS]

00:46:40 ◼   ► the same thing Steve Steve Jobs saying [TS]

00:46:41 ◼   ► like milk the mac for alternate move on [TS]

00:46:43 ◼   ► to the next big thing eventually its [TS]

00:46:45 ◼   ► milk the iphone fall to earth move on to [TS]

00:46:46 ◼   ► the next big thing because if you don't [TS]

00:46:47 ◼   ► someone else will like someone else [TS]

00:46:49 ◼   ► where your lunch if you don't need [TS]

00:46:50 ◼   ► another cannibalizing your business [TS]

00:46:52 ◼   ► Apple's the window cannibalized its own [TS]

00:46:53 ◼   ► ipods appleton cannibalize ipod sales [TS]

00:46:56 ◼   ► the sales curve for ipods look like the [TS]

00:46:58 ◼   ► same big hump with spikes on it for the [TS]

00:47:00 ◼   ► holidays [TS]

00:47:00 ◼   ► it would look exactly the same but [TS]

00:47:02 ◼   ► someone else would have replaced it [TS]

00:47:04 ◼   ► whether it's samsung or Microsoft or [TS]

00:47:05 ◼   ► whoever whoever would have won that war [TS]

00:47:07 ◼   ► if Apple can cannibalize the ipod [TS]

00:47:09 ◼   ► someone else would so it's not like [TS]

00:47:10 ◼   ► Apple bank the company on the ipod said [TS]

00:47:13 ◼   ► it's going to be ipod forever and the [TS]

00:47:14 ◼   ► American people were saying the ipod is [TS]

00:47:15 ◼   ► going to go off the mac and now Apple is [TS]

00:47:17 ◼   ► just an ipod company and the apple store [TS]

00:47:18 ◼   ► is the ipod store right [TS]

00:47:20 ◼   ► Apple's the one cannibalize the ipod it [TS]

00:47:22 ◼   ► turns out the ipod ark was obviously [TS]

00:47:24 ◼   ► shorter than we think the iphone arc is [TS]

00:47:26 ◼   ► going to be the iphone our cholesterol [TS]

00:47:27 ◼   ► lives for all we know right or longer [TS]

00:47:29 ◼   ► but that's that's the challenging of the [TS]

00:47:32 ◼   ► innovators dilemma and all that other [TS]

00:47:33 ◼   ► crap that's the challenge of business [TS]

00:47:35 ◼   ► and the mac in all these grasses this [TS]

00:47:38 ◼   ► aberration that never goes up and never [TS]

00:47:39 ◼   ► goes down it just keeps on trucking and [TS]

00:47:42 ◼   ► I think they're you know I'm again i'm [TS]

00:47:44 ◼   ► not i'm playing devil's advocate [TS]

00:47:45 ◼   ► everything this year [TS]

00:47:46 ◼   ► these are things that are worth thinking [TS]

00:47:47 ◼   ► about I don't find them convincing if I [TS]

00:47:49 ◼   ► had to make the argument I would say [TS]

00:47:51 ◼   ► Apple needs to continue making the mac [TS]

00:47:52 ◼   ► and should do much better job at it [TS]

00:47:53 ◼   ► because the time is not complex i'm [TS]

00:47:55 ◼   ► mostly [TS]

00:47:56 ◼   ► I'm on the same page marker like other [TS]

00:47:59 ◼   ► people who are doing these tasks are not [TS]

00:48:01 ◼   ► currently using anything that's not like [TS]

00:48:04 ◼   ► a pc that using PC's to do them like [TS]

00:48:06 ◼   ► they're not using surface tablets are [TS]

00:48:08 ◼   ► not using this point is still using [TS]

00:48:10 ◼   ► surface to do that they're using PC's [TS]

00:48:12 ◼   ► with the windows pcs or unix [TS]

00:48:14 ◼   ► workstations running Maya or or max [TS]

00:48:17 ◼   ► they're just not using iPads to do these [TS]

00:48:19 ◼   ► jobs right and that's I think that is [TS]

00:48:22 ◼   ► you know but market and doing homework [TS]

00:48:23 ◼   ► but he came up with their pretty [TS]

00:48:25 ◼   ► reasonable last-minute scrambling all [TS]

00:48:27 ◼   ► the teachers come around and collecting [TS]

00:48:29 ◼   ► the papers how I got through school [TS]

00:48:31 ◼   ► yeah i think that is a thing to look for [TS]

00:48:34 ◼   ► and you have to be careful because if [TS]

00:48:35 ◼   ► you're just looking at the people who [TS]

00:48:36 ◼   ► are like hanging out in the same circles [TS]

00:48:38 ◼   ► as you then it's all like sort of [TS]

00:48:39 ◼   ► self-selecting like we'll all my friends [TS]

00:48:40 ◼   ► still use pcs but maybe every kid [TS]

00:48:43 ◼   ► graduating school is doing you know like [TS]

00:48:45 ◼   ► for example digital video like every kid [TS]

00:48:47 ◼   ► graduating film school is shooting [TS]

00:48:49 ◼   ► digital video and editing digibeta [TS]

00:48:50 ◼   ► you're like well my friends are still [TS]

00:48:52 ◼   ► shooting on film so films never gonna [TS]

00:48:53 ◼   ► die you're you're being blind you're [TS]

00:48:55 ◼   ► missing it right but I think in this [TS]

00:48:57 ◼   ► case for the jobs were talking about [TS]

00:48:59 ◼   ► certainly programming because I think we [TS]

00:49:00 ◼   ► have a good view on that [TS]

00:49:01 ◼   ► not just for iOS and mac program which [TS]

00:49:03 ◼   ► in all realms that serious programming [TS]

00:49:06 ◼   ► is still done in pc-style devices video [TS]

00:49:08 ◼   ► editing for the most part is still done [TS]

00:49:10 ◼   ► pc-style devices but you gotta want to [TS]

00:49:11 ◼   ► watch the kids watch the kids coming in [TS]

00:49:13 ◼   ► from school are there edit our the [TS]

00:49:14 ◼   ► editing the film school project on an [TS]

00:49:17 ◼   ► iPad or on a surface studio are on [TS]

00:49:20 ◼   ► anything like that you know that's the [TS]

00:49:22 ◼   ► sort of like the leading indicator and [TS]

00:49:23 ◼   ► that's the thing to watch for I i think [TS]

00:49:25 ◼   ► right now the answer is that [TS]

00:49:26 ◼   ► pc-style computers are still think to do [TS]

00:49:29 ◼   ► my big fear is that Apple decides that [TS]

00:49:31 ◼   ► it's not worth them being in the [TS]

00:49:32 ◼   ► business I don't particularly have a [TS]

00:49:33 ◼   ► fear fear that in the near future the pc [TS]

00:49:36 ◼   ► style of computing is going to go away [TS]

00:49:37 ◼   ► I have a fear isn't the Apple personal [TS]

00:49:40 ◼   ► computer meaning the mac is going to go [TS]

00:49:43 ◼   ► away because apple doesn't care about or [TS]

00:49:44 ◼   ► neglected to the point and that's the [TS]

00:49:46 ◼   ► worst-case scenario where you still have [TS]

00:49:47 ◼   ► to use a pc but you don't longer get to [TS]

00:49:50 ◼   ► choose the mac because it's you know [TS]

00:49:52 ◼   ► it's no longer any good for you that's [TS]

00:49:53 ◼   ► when i switch to linux god help us all a [TS]

00:49:56 ◼   ► quick side note about that though John I [TS]

00:50:00 ◼   ► had some co-workers at the last gig that [TS]

00:50:02 ◼   ► did use surface tablets to do their work [TS]

00:50:06 ◼   ► like to write code to do their work to [TS]

00:50:09 ◼   ► do have that was their complete [TS]

00:50:10 ◼   ► they're only couple of them in and I [TS]

00:50:11 ◼   ► think by and large they kind of [TS]

00:50:13 ◼   ► regretted their decision but in that [TS]

00:50:15 ◼   ► sense it is happening that is the thing [TS]

00:50:17 ◼   ► that happens from time that i recall [TS]

00:50:19 ◼   ► that I keep putting the surface and [TS]

00:50:21 ◼   ► around thinking more of like using the [TS]

00:50:22 ◼   ► touch interface to the surface devices [TS]

00:50:24 ◼   ► even more the surface studio where your [TS]

00:50:25 ◼   ► where you are touching the screen that [TS]

00:50:27 ◼   ► amaze respects the surface books and all [TS]

00:50:29 ◼   ► that stuff [TS]

00:50:30 ◼   ► they're just a convertible laptop like [TS]

00:50:31 ◼   ► it's modeled by the fact that that [TS]

00:50:33 ◼   ► Windows is this unified platform but [TS]

00:50:36 ◼   ► yeah I have people work to do [TS]

00:50:37 ◼   ► programming stuff on services to but [TS]

00:50:39 ◼   ► it's just a laptop is it at that point [TS]

00:50:41 ◼   ► it's like a weird laptop with a bendy [TS]

00:50:43 ◼   ► hinge and it's running windows and [TS]

00:50:45 ◼   ► they're running terminal stuff and they [TS]

00:50:46 ◼   ► have a keyboard and they have a trackpad [TS]

00:50:48 ◼   ► pointing device and they also have a pen [TS]

00:50:50 ◼   ► you can kind of be a tablet but [TS]

00:50:52 ◼   ► essentially they're using a laptop like [TS]

00:50:53 ◼   ► they have they have windows with with [TS]

00:50:55 ◼   ► title bars and scroll bars like it's i [TS]

00:50:58 ◼   ► pay you know it it's confusing because [TS]

00:51:00 ◼   ► of the way Microsoft has done its [TS]

00:51:02 ◼   ► unified us strategy but i would still [TS]

00:51:03 ◼   ► totally classify was as pc-style because [TS]

00:51:06 ◼   ► it's it is very distinct from the iOS [TS]

00:51:08 ◼   ► style even when i see my daughter she's [TS]

00:51:10 ◼   ► getting a keyboard logitech keyboard [TS]

00:51:11 ◼   ► thing for I bet he when she does you [TS]

00:51:14 ◼   ► know form of laptop with her you know [TS]

00:51:16 ◼   ► that's one twin Soria you guys miss that [TS]

00:51:18 ◼   ► show anyway right but she makes a little [TS]

00:51:21 ◼   ► laptop out of her iPad and our keyboard [TS]

00:51:24 ◼   ► there's no it's still not a laptop [TS]

00:51:27 ◼   ► yes it looks like one yes there's a kind [TS]

00:51:29 ◼   ► of a vertical screen and horizontal ish [TS]

00:51:31 ◼   ► keyboard but there's no point on her [TS]

00:51:33 ◼   ► screen she's not using a trackpad there [TS]

00:51:35 ◼   ► are no windows there are no scroll bars [TS]

00:51:37 ◼   ► and scroll thumbs is no menu bar along [TS]

00:51:38 ◼   ► the top of it is not a pc computing [TS]

00:51:40 ◼   ► experience she's not you know like it [TS]

00:51:43 ◼   ► its yeah we we live in a strange time we [TS]

00:51:46 ◼   ► live in a strange transitional time but [TS]

00:51:47 ◼   ► some things defy categorization but i [TS]

00:51:50 ◼   ► think the salient points like what makes [TS]

00:51:53 ◼   ► it a pc what makes it a pc style [TS]

00:51:55 ◼   ► computing environment are pretty clear [TS]

00:51:58 ◼   ► for me obviously it's all about windows [TS]

00:51:59 ◼   ► because what the hell imagine if the 28 [TS]

00:52:03 ◼   ► inch surface studio did not have windows [TS]

00:52:06 ◼   ► like everything was full screen or split [TS]

00:52:09 ◼   ► screen like it doesn't the ipad we would [TS]

00:52:11 ◼   ► say this is the biggest waste of a 28 [TS]

00:52:13 ◼   ► inch screen in the world unless you're [TS]

00:52:14 ◼   ► only ever in one app doing like more [TS]

00:52:16 ◼   ► time than fine but for a general-purpose [TS]

00:52:18 ◼   ► computing device getting back to Marco's [TS]

00:52:20 ◼   ► idea that you can do more than one thing [TS]

00:52:22 ◼   ► at a time [TS]

00:52:22 ◼   ► a general-purpose computing device that [TS]

00:52:25 ◼   ► can only show apps in full screen on a [TS]

00:52:27 ◼   ► 20 inch display is just a very wrong [TS]

00:52:29 ◼   ► headed idea and i would say that's not [TS]

00:52:31 ◼   ► pc computer that's more like iOS here's [TS]

00:52:34 ◼   ► a question where it in what products is [TS]

00:52:37 ◼   ► Apple really like stepping on the gas [TS]

00:52:39 ◼   ► and really firing on all cylinders [TS]

00:52:41 ◼   ► earpods I know it's not the valid answer [TS]

00:52:44 ◼   ► in this context but I cannot stop [TS]

00:52:48 ◼   ► talking about how much i love my ear [TS]

00:52:49 ◼   ► pods i would say the iphone i mean i [TS]

00:52:52 ◼   ► know i think the last show recently [TS]

00:52:53 ◼   ► listened to it so it's fresh in my mind [TS]

00:52:55 ◼   ► marker said like all the new iphone 7 [TS]

00:52:57 ◼   ► like internally the changes aren't that [TS]

00:52:59 ◼   ► big like look at the graphs man like [TS]

00:53:01 ◼   ► every part of this every part of this [TS]

00:53:02 ◼   ► that can be better computing wise and [TS]

00:53:05 ◼   ► capacity wise is better by leaps and [TS]

00:53:08 ◼   ► bounds by like nineties error pc leaps [TS]

00:53:11 ◼   ► and bounds like it's not that the state [TS]

00:53:12 ◼   ► the cpu is not just a little bit faster [TS]

00:53:14 ◼   ► the GPU is not just a little bit faster [TS]

00:53:15 ◼   ► than the flash capacities like Max's [TS]

00:53:18 ◼   ► would you know that double like you can [TS]

00:53:19 ◼   ► only get 1 28 last year 9250 sexes it's [TS]

00:53:23 ◼   ► fantastically better internal in it you [TS]

00:53:26 ◼   ► know the only thing that's not you know [TS]

00:53:29 ◼   ► better about a bio they're not stand [TS]

00:53:31 ◼   ► against like oh the case is the same [TS]

00:53:32 ◼   ► shape and even there they did you know [TS]

00:53:34 ◼   ► they changed the surface in such a way [TS]

00:53:35 ◼   ► that Marcos universe saying is his [TS]

00:53:37 ◼   ► favorite product of last year because it [TS]

00:53:40 ◼   ► made such a difference in in day-to-day [TS]

00:53:41 ◼   ► use so I i still think iphone is is you [TS]

00:53:46 ◼   ► know pedal to the metal and their pods [TS]

00:53:47 ◼   ► are part of that are part of their weird [TS]

00:53:48 ◼   ► headphone thing which by the way has [TS]

00:53:50 ◼   ► bitten me I don't have a USBC laptop but [TS]

00:53:52 ◼   ► I've been bitten by the the headphones [TS]

00:53:54 ◼   ► thing like five times recently where I [TS]

00:53:57 ◼   ► thought I had everything I needed [TS]

00:53:59 ◼   ► I was going to plug a headphone in and [TS]

00:54:00 ◼   ► realized even on the plane coming back I [TS]

00:54:03 ◼   ► brought the adapter for me to use my [TS]

00:54:04 ◼   ► noise-canceling headphones but then my [TS]

00:54:05 ◼   ► daughter wanted to use some headphones [TS]

00:54:08 ◼   ► to and plug-in it's like out well I only [TS]

00:54:09 ◼   ► have one of that they're like you always [TS]

00:54:12 ◼   ► you always think you have everything you [TS]

00:54:13 ◼   ► need but here just used oh nevermind or [TS]

00:54:16 ◼   ► gone on a car trip and you know before [TS]

00:54:18 ◼   ► yeah we're going to plug in my wife's [TS]

00:54:20 ◼   ► old car she just had walks in with like [TS]

00:54:22 ◼   ► a headphone port and I brought my ipod [TS]

00:54:23 ◼   ► with me or my phone with me and we can [TS]

00:54:26 ◼   ► listen to like the podcast that I'm in [TS]

00:54:27 ◼   ► the middle of and we get in the car and [TS]

00:54:29 ◼   ► start driving away and I grabbed a [TS]

00:54:30 ◼   ► little aux cord from the center console [TS]

00:54:32 ◼   ► and pick it up ago [TS]

00:54:33 ◼   ► no this happens there's no place i can [TS]

00:54:35 ◼   ► plug that into my phone and of course [TS]

00:54:37 ◼   ► not carrying adapter around with me so [TS]

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