Cortex

00:00:00 ◼   ► So every time that we record I have a coffee with me to help give me the energy that I desperately need to do this show with you

00:00:07 ◼   ► And I wanted to just tell you about the glassware that the method of which I'm drinking this from today

00:00:14 ◼   ► Because I think you might enjoy it. Have you become a fancy coffee person? Yes happening here

00:00:19 ◼   ► Okay, so I have an iced coffee today that I made for myself kind of in a nice latte style

00:00:24 ◼   ► Yeah, it's very nice and my receptacle is made of glass

00:00:29 ◼   ► Mm-hmm, and I have cork like a cork grip that goes around the outside of that, you know

00:00:36 ◼   ► So I can make sure that I don't drop it right and if the the drink inside is hot

00:00:42 ◼   ► I'm not touching the hot glass right to protect your delicate little fingers. Yeah, I mean there the money makers, right?

00:00:49 ◼   ► Right. Yes, of course and I am NOT drinking from the glass

00:00:53 ◼   ► Itself, I'm drinking from a straw

00:00:58 ◼   ► But my straw is made of stainless steel.

00:01:01 ◼   ► I think you're beginning to live a very strange lifestyle Myke.

00:01:05 ◼   ► I went to the seaside and we went to a nice coffee place and

00:01:08 ◼   ► They served me a coffee with a stainless steel straw

00:01:12 ◼   ► And I thought it was the best thing ever so I went straight to Amazon and bought myself a box of eight

00:01:16 ◼   ► Are there bends in the stainless steel straw?

00:01:20 ◼   ► I have four that have bends in them and four that don't

00:01:23 ◼   ► So I have four straight straws and four straws of a slight bend in them

00:01:27 ◼   ► I've only encountered one problem with the stainless steel straw.

00:01:34 ◼   ► Uh huh.

00:01:35 ◼   ► Hitting my teeth against it.

00:01:37 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:01:38 ◼   ► Usually it's not a problem with a plastic straw.

00:01:41 ◼   ► As soon as you said there was one problem, yes, that is what popped into my mind is,

00:01:47 ◼   ► seems like you can injure yourself with this because you're not used to straws being

00:01:51 ◼   ► objects of potentially cutting power as well.

00:01:56 ◼   ► little thin edge pressed up against you but it's it's making me take more care

00:02:02 ◼   ► while I'm drinking my coffee you know which is kind of part of my process now

00:02:05 ◼   ► you know yeah that doesn't sound like a good idea you don't why do you want more

00:02:09 ◼   ► effort with your coffee drinking because otherwise it's just not worth it that

00:02:15 ◼   ► makes no sense that doesn't make any sense at all I have eight do you want

00:02:19 ◼   ► one no no I do not want one of your stainless steel straws they even come

00:02:24 ◼   ► with a little cleaning brush and in a cream plastic case.

00:02:27 ◼   ► - Jesus Christ.

00:02:29 ◼   ► If there was any way you could have instantly made that

00:02:36 ◼   ► infinitely unappealing, that was the thing.

00:02:39 ◼   ► - Yeah.

00:02:39 ◼   ► - To tell me that the straw requires cleaning.

00:02:42 ◼   ► This did not cross my mind.

00:02:45 ◼   ► - Of course it does.

00:02:46 ◼   ► I'm not like a Scrooge McDuck kind of person.

00:02:48 ◼   ► Like I'm not just using them one serving

00:02:50 ◼   ► and then throwing them away.

00:02:51 ◼   ► - They're not, okay.

00:02:54 ◼   ► No single-use stainless steel straws. I'm not crazy.

00:02:58 ◼   ► I was more thinking that maybe they could go in the washing machine, in the dishwasher.

00:03:02 ◼   ► I'm sure that they can, I just don't have one.

00:03:05 ◼   ► Oh, okay. You're one of those.

00:03:07 ◼   ► I just can't fit one in the house. What do you want from me?

00:03:11 ◼   ► One of those unfortunate people whose kitchens too small.

00:03:16 ◼   ► You're up there in Grey Mansion.

00:03:19 ◼   ► When my wife and I moved out of our

00:03:22 ◼   ► first flat in London together, which was

00:03:25 ◼   ► Literally a single room with bare partitions. I remember the door right? I remember the door

00:03:32 ◼   ► We upgraded to doors

00:03:34 ◼   ► one of my

00:03:37 ◼   ► absolute requirements was

00:03:39 ◼   ► Now now that we have more than like five square meters worth of space between two human beings

00:03:46 ◼   ► We absolutely have to have a dishwasher. This is this is non-negotiable

00:03:52 ◼   ► There's no way this is not going to happen because I just I cannot possibly spend any more of my time

00:03:59 ◼   ► manually washing dishes

00:04:02 ◼   ► like it's the

00:04:04 ◼   ► 1600s. Edina is totally the gray in this situation. She is making a very similar demand

00:04:09 ◼   ► We're gonna might talk about this later

00:04:12 ◼   ► But we're getting ready to move hopefully to our own place and the kitchen doesn't have a dishwasher right now

00:04:17 ◼   ► But it has space for it and it has the electricals for it

00:04:20 ◼   ► So at some point in the not-too-distant future a dishwasher will be joining the household

00:04:26 ◼   ► But funnily enough I actually quite like doing the dishes because it's a chore that I can do which adds some real value

00:04:32 ◼   ► It isn't incredibly taxing and I can listen to my podcasts when I do it

00:04:37 ◼   ► But you could do other things you could be driving American Truck Simulator while you're listening to your podcast instead

00:04:43 ◼   ► Yeah, but then I'm not contributing so much to the household

00:04:46 ◼   ► But you know what? You're not really contributing to the household now, right? A robot could just do this for you

00:04:51 ◼   ► You're just you're just feeling like you're making a contribution here

00:04:55 ◼   ► This is like oh, I enjoy vacuuming by hand. What a pleasant experience

00:04:59 ◼   ► This is it's like or you can get a Roomba and the Roomba could vacuum for you

00:05:02 ◼   ► I think we're gonna get a Roomba.

00:05:04 ◼   ► Yeah, see? I really want one. Do you have one? We don't have a Roomba in our place

00:05:09 ◼   ► But we have someone who vacuums so we have a human Roomba

00:05:13 ◼   ► - I guess is what we have.

00:05:15 ◼   ► (laughing)

00:05:17 ◼   ► - I was gonna make the joke,

00:05:20 ◼   ► but I thought I can't make that joke.

00:05:22 ◼   ► And I'm so happy you did.

00:05:24 ◼   ► We could call it a Humba.

00:05:25 ◼   ► Oh no.

00:05:29 ◼   ► - So listen, you have to, like this is,

00:05:34 ◼   ► I know you just wanted to tell like a little funny story

00:05:37 ◼   ► about your metal straws that you clean by hand

00:05:39 ◼   ► with a tiny brush.

00:05:40 ◼   ► But really what you're just telling me

00:05:42 ◼   ► is a story about, it sounds like you don't value

00:05:45 ◼   ► your own time very highly that you're sitting around

00:05:49 ◼   ► washing dishes by hand when there's a machine

00:05:51 ◼   ► that could do it.

00:05:52 ◼   ► And I am totally with Adina on this issue.

00:05:56 ◼   ► There needs to be a dishwasher in your new place.

00:05:58 ◼   ► In our place, there was no dishwasher either.

00:06:02 ◼   ► And we are renting a place.

00:06:04 ◼   ► It is not ours.

00:06:05 ◼   ► So any improvements made to the place

00:06:08 ◼   ► are just like throwing money down the drain,

00:06:10 ◼   ► except for the fact that we live there.

00:06:12 ◼   ► So we actually paid someone to essentially like take out

00:06:15 ◼   ► some of the cabinetry on the bottom of our kitchen,

00:06:18 ◼   ► put in a dishwasher that doesn't even really fit

00:06:21 ◼   ► because our kitchen is really, really small.

00:06:23 ◼   ► When you go to open the dishwasher door,

00:06:26 ◼   ► it cannot come down all the way

00:06:28 ◼   ► because the wall is in the way.

00:06:29 ◼   ► - This is serious dishwashing hate over here.

00:06:32 ◼   ► - Right, it is serious dishwashing hate.

00:06:34 ◼   ► So since I am like, I'm very tall,

00:06:37 ◼   ► it's very awkward for me to kind of like

00:06:38 ◼   ► get down on the floor.

00:06:39 ◼   ► Basically only the top rack of the dishwasher is available from my perspective.

00:06:44 ◼   ► Like I can't really access the bottom one. It's super inconvenient.

00:06:47 ◼   ► So I just run the dishwasher, you know, twice as much as I need to because I only use the top rack

00:06:52 ◼   ► because that's the only one that I can fully access when the dishwasher door is open.

00:06:55 ◼   ► But I don't care because I'm not washing the dishes, the robot's washing the dishes.

00:07:00 ◼   ► So what does it matter if the robot has to do it twice?

00:07:02 ◼   ► Doesn't matter to me.

00:07:03 ◼   ► Dishwasher.

00:07:04 ◼   ► You need to have one without a doubt.

00:07:06 ◼   ► Don't spend your time like this, Myke.

00:07:09 ◼   ► hate that you just in our show have moved the priority of the things I need to spend money on.

00:07:15 ◼   ► What do you mean? I'm trying to help you.

00:07:17 ◼   ► She's gonna hear this, right? And then the dishwasher's gonna move higher in the priority order.

00:07:24 ◼   ► Right, because it's the correct decision.

00:07:26 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:07:27 ◼   ► Let's just be clear, like I'm not siding with anybody in an argument,

00:07:30 ◼   ► I'm simply telling you what the better thing to do is.

00:07:33 ◼   ► You're siding with your robot kind, I know what you're doing.

00:07:35 ◼   ► No, I'm just, I mean look, if there's more robots,

00:07:38 ◼   ► maybe that's better for everybody.

00:07:40 ◼   ► But look, it's the right thing to do.

00:07:42 ◼   ► So you need to get the dishwasher.

00:07:44 ◼   ► It's like not having a washing machine for your clothes

00:07:46 ◼   ► and spinning me some tale about how, oh,

00:07:48 ◼   ► you really enjoy racking your underpants

00:07:51 ◼   ► over one of those little bumpy things

00:07:53 ◼   ► that you see in old movies where people are,

00:07:55 ◼   ► I don't even know what they're called,

00:07:56 ◼   ► the washing boards maybe?

00:07:58 ◼   ► - Oh, right, yeah, I get what you mean, yeah, yeah.

00:08:00 ◼   ► - Right, you're there with a barrel

00:08:03 ◼   ► and one of those washing boards

00:08:04 ◼   ► and scrubbing your clothes over that.

00:08:06 ◼   ► Like if you were spinning me a television,

00:08:07 ◼   ► oh, I enjoy listening to podcasts while I do that.

00:08:10 ◼   ► I mean, you're just wrong, right?

00:08:11 ◼   ► You're just spending your time poorly.

00:08:13 ◼   ► Instead, you should be spending your time

00:08:15 ◼   ► playing American Truck Simulator and listening to podcasts

00:08:18 ◼   ► because it's purely enjoyable.

00:08:19 ◼   ► - I found one setback with the straw method.

00:08:22 ◼   ► - Here we go, okay.

00:08:23 ◼   ► - That's the setback.

00:08:26 ◼   ► Trying to get the coffee out of the bottom of the,

00:08:29 ◼   ► it's not as easy.

00:08:30 ◼   ► - Enjoy your straw, Myke.

00:08:33 ◼   ► It sounds like an improvement to your life.

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00:10:44 ◼   ► Corteximus is actually officially over now. So like we had this, we've had an episode which

00:10:52 ◼   ► broke Corteximus for the listener, but now this is Corteximus is over for us.

00:10:58 ◼   ► because as you heard on the last episode that was an episode out of time to

00:11:03 ◼   ► out of timer and

00:11:06 ◼   ► Which basically was recorded such a long time ago that neither me or you could remember

00:11:13 ◼   ► What we'd spoken about. Yeah, it was very strange. It was as I predicted

00:11:19 ◼   ► the closest I think I will ever get to being able to

00:11:26 ◼   ► listen to my own podcast in the way a listener does.

00:11:30 ◼   ► Because most of the time when I'm editing podcasts or listening to edits, I know what's going to be said.

00:11:36 ◼   ► Like I in my head, I know how this conversation unfolds. I know what I'm going to say.

00:11:42 ◼   ► I know what the next person is going to say and that's part of the process of

00:11:45 ◼   ► editing thinking about the sentences that are coming up, the sentences that just went behind,

00:11:49 ◼   ► maybe how to rearrange things, maybe how to make them a little tighter.

00:11:53 ◼   ► that's part of the whole thing.

00:11:54 ◼   ► Whereas when I was listening to this one,

00:11:57 ◼   ► when I was doing the final listen through,

00:11:59 ◼   ► I just, I had no idea what was going to happen.

00:12:01 ◼   ► Everything was a surprise.

00:12:03 ◼   ► Oh, okay.

00:12:04 ◼   ► I have no idea what's coming up.

00:12:06 ◼   ► This me from the past, it could be me from 100 years ago.

00:12:11 ◼   ► I remember nothing about that podcast.

00:12:16 ◼   ► And I think it was in actuality three months ago,

00:12:18 ◼   ► maybe two months ago, I don't even know.

00:12:20 ◼   ► But yeah, it was a surreal experience to listen to that.

00:12:25 ◼   ► - The funny thing for me was when listening back

00:12:27 ◼   ► and just shaking my head at how past Myke

00:12:30 ◼   ► thought his summer was gonna be awesome.

00:12:32 ◼   ► It was awesome, but not as easy and simple

00:12:34 ◼   ► as he thought it was gonna be.

00:12:35 ◼   ► (laughing)

00:12:38 ◼   ► That poor guy had no idea.

00:12:39 ◼   ► - Yes, yes, that was, that was definitely the case,

00:12:44 ◼   ► which I think is always the case with when you try to

00:12:50 ◼   ► project forward about what you're going to be doing,

00:12:55 ◼   ► it is way too easy to underestimate

00:12:59 ◼   ► how much stuff you're going to do.

00:13:01 ◼   ► How long things take,

00:13:02 ◼   ► how much stuff is gonna take up of your time,

00:13:05 ◼   ► and again, I was just thinking of the past me

00:13:10 ◼   ► in that episode, and he's talking about

00:13:13 ◼   ► how he is going to be going to WWDC with you,

00:13:17 ◼   ► which at that point was like a little secret.

00:13:18 ◼   ► Yep, and it was so funny because you were really hesitant to admit it to just me.

00:13:23 ◼   ► Yeah, so we're still in secret keeping mode there.

00:13:27 ◼   ► But listening to that, I was thinking like, oh,

00:13:30 ◼   ► you many months ago, Gray,

00:13:33 ◼   ► you don't know how busy that WWDC week is going to be.

00:13:37 ◼   ► You just have no idea.

00:13:39 ◼   ► You're still imagining in your mind that it's going to be a relaxing time with

00:13:44 ◼   ► occasional things to do, but you don't know.

00:13:46 ◼   ► You don't know what's going to actually happen.

00:13:48 ◼   ► Also, we were living in a different reality then, you know, before we'd experienced

00:13:54 ◼   ► the second reality, a virtual reality.

00:13:56 ◼   ► Our lives are very different.

00:13:58 ◼   ► That's true.

00:13:59 ◼   ► That is very true.

00:14:00 ◼   ► That is the pre-virtual reality experiencing us.

00:14:02 ◼   ► That is the big schism in my life now, pre-VR and post-VR.

00:14:08 ◼   ► So yes, it was basically like listening to the tales of a dead man, right?

00:14:11 ◼   ► It's like, "Oh, so long ago and so many experience ago, you were just like a totally

00:14:16 ◼   ► different person."

00:14:17 ◼   ► of the things that made me shake my head about myself as I was talking about

00:14:21 ◼   ► carving out more time you know like to have quieter days and busier days you

00:14:26 ◼   ► know I still had the busy week and the quiet week but I was talking about how

00:14:29 ◼   ► my Thursdays and Fridays I was trying to keep them as busy as empty as possible

00:14:35 ◼   ► but since then I've now filled them up with new projects and I was listening to

00:14:40 ◼   ► myself and be like oh that was a nice time. So you no longer have the the busy

00:14:45 ◼   ► week and the not busy week where I'm on the not busy week and everybody else is

00:14:50 ◼   ► on the busy week everything's just the same I know have a busy week and a busier

00:14:54 ◼   ► week hmm what do you think about that Myke I don't like it I don't think it's

00:15:00 ◼   ► a good development no it's a bad development so it was you know how we

00:15:04 ◼   ► were also talking in that show about like approaching you know we've gone

00:15:09 ◼   ► past the halfway point of the year it's time to start thinking so like I'm I'm

00:15:13 ◼   ► inches away from grabbing my iPad and opening Notability.

00:15:17 ◼   ► I actually nearly did this yesterday.

00:15:19 ◼   ► I'm writing out all of my projects

00:15:21 ◼   ► and working out where they go next year.

00:15:23 ◼   ► You know, what things have to be adjusted,

00:15:25 ◼   ► how are they gonna be adjusted.

00:15:27 ◼   ► And I'm also thinking about some other stuff

00:15:29 ◼   ► like just from a business perspective,

00:15:32 ◼   ► not just like all of the shows that I'm on,

00:15:34 ◼   ► but what parts of the business do I maybe need to adjust

00:15:37 ◼   ► so I can free up time for myself, that kind of thing.

00:15:40 ◼   ► So that is, funnily enough,

00:15:43 ◼   ► In all seriousness, 2017 is going to be the year of less comma me.

00:15:48 ◼   ► Oh, is it?

00:15:49 ◼   ► I think so.

00:15:50 ◼   ► Hmm...

00:15:51 ◼   ► So let me ask you then, so I'm a bit unclear.

00:15:54 ◼   ► This situation that you have made for yourself,

00:15:56 ◼   ► where you have a busy week and a busier week,

00:15:59 ◼   ► is this...

00:16:00 ◼   ► Are you planning on this being a temporary thing until the end of the year?

00:16:04 ◼   ► And then 2017 will be nothing like this and you'll get back to your busy week and less busy week?

00:16:11 ◼   ► Or not?

00:16:12 ◼   ► I don't think I've got the specifics nailed down. All I know is I want to change the current situation

00:16:18 ◼   ► Mm-hmm. So I want to get it back closer to busy week and quiet week

00:16:24 ◼   ► Mm-hmm. And one of the problems is I've started one new weekly show and it's taking up more of my time

00:16:31 ◼   ► but even within that I'm trying to work out ways to limit those types of things and

00:16:35 ◼   ► And maybe look at some of the other stuff that I do

00:16:38 ◼   ► and see if there's any adjustments that could be made to the frequencies there.

00:16:42 ◼   ► Like I did at the start of this year where I just adjusted the frequencies of

00:16:47 ◼   ► some of the shows that I was recording. So I need to do that again but maybe

00:16:51 ◼   ► maybe I need to be a bit harsher about it and maybe as I said I need to look at

00:16:55 ◼   ► some things that aren't just recording time. Mm-hmm things that are business

00:16:59 ◼   ► time. Or even things that are production. Maybe I need to change some production

00:17:04 ◼   ► processes as well. So this is it you know I'm gonna live with it for now plus it's

00:17:08 ◼   ► It's been personally a super busy time for me since June and I'm thinking that is adding

00:17:13 ◼   ► a lot of weight onto this as well.

00:17:16 ◼   ► Yeah it sounds like that's the case.

00:17:18 ◼   ► I mean I know there's a bunch of stuff going on that we will get to in a little bit.

00:17:24 ◼   ► What I'm just wondering is how did you walk yourself into the busy week and busier week?

00:17:32 ◼   ► Was it one of these cases where you just keep slowly adding on one project at a time and

00:17:37 ◼   ► and then when you look in the rearview mirror somehow at the end of the summer,

00:17:41 ◼   ► all of a sudden you're realizing that you have blocked away all of what was previously free time?

00:17:47 ◼   ► Is that how you got this situation?

00:17:49 ◼   ► Pretty much. And this is my eternal struggle of being excited about something and just doing it.

00:17:59 ◼   ► And that has added more time in.

00:18:02 ◼   ► So one of the things that I've done, some people may notice it, some may not.

00:18:07 ◼   ► I am a fan of professional wrestling.

00:18:08 ◼   ► I have been since I was a kid.

00:18:11 ◼   ► I know it's fake.

00:18:13 ◼   ► You don't need to tell me.

00:18:14 ◼   ► Or as we like to say it, Gray, predetermined.

00:18:16 ◼   ► Predetermined, okay.

00:18:17 ◼   ► So the things that you're seeing are actually happening.

00:18:20 ◼   ► It's not smoke and mirrors, but there is an outcome at the end.

00:18:22 ◼   ► I treat it like my soap opera, right?

00:18:24 ◼   ► That's how I think of it and etc.

00:18:26 ◼   ► Like I don't need to get into this right now with you.

00:18:28 ◼   ► I love how predefensive you are about this.

00:18:31 ◼   ► Like I can hear you trying to shut down all the things that people are going to say.

00:18:37 ◼   ► And my feeling is always there's no explaining what people like or what they're interested

00:18:41 ◼   ► in.

00:18:42 ◼   ► It just is.

00:18:43 ◼   ► So Myke likes wrestling.

00:18:45 ◼   ► Deal with it people.

00:18:47 ◼   ► My podcast is called The Ring Post.

00:18:48 ◼   ► I'll put a link in the show notes if you're interested.

00:18:50 ◼   ► Go check it out.

00:18:51 ◼   ► Anyway Ringpost.fm if that's your bag.

00:18:57 ◼   ► But anyway so I did that now.

00:18:58 ◼   ► This is a new weekly show of mine and I've been trying to do some fun things of it and

00:19:03 ◼   ► record multiple times in the week.

00:19:04 ◼   ► I can't keep doing that.

00:19:06 ◼   ► That's one thing.

00:19:07 ◼   ► And then, it's been a busy time where we've had the membership stuff, so facilitating

00:19:13 ◼   ► all of that, recording the extra episodes, editing the extra episodes, spending 15 hours

00:19:20 ◼   ► on our episode.

00:19:22 ◼   ► I've had just some extra stuff going on recently.

00:19:26 ◼   ► So now as well next year I know that I need to structure that time a bit differently in

00:19:30 ◼   ► August.

00:19:31 ◼   ► I thought that I was doing a good job pre-recording things early but I need to maybe start recording

00:19:35 ◼   ► them even earlier than I thought.

00:19:37 ◼   ► So it's just I've learned some lessons but there are just some things that I'm adding

00:19:42 ◼   ► in which are just too much.

00:19:45 ◼   ► I've overloaded myself again I think.

00:19:49 ◼   ► And it's super easy to do because this is a problem with creative people and again in

00:19:57 ◼   ► the broadest possible sense of making a thing, whether that's starting a business or creating

00:20:03 ◼   ► a podcast or whatever.

00:20:04 ◼   ► If you are making something in the world, I think by definition you have to be a person

00:20:09 ◼   ► who gets excited and interested in things way more than a normal person does because

00:20:17 ◼   ► is the thing that motivates you to start creating a thing that's new.

00:20:21 ◼   ► And so I think if you are of that bent, it is very easy to keep adding on more and more

00:20:29 ◼   ► projects.

00:20:31 ◼   ► Because you get excited about things.

00:20:33 ◼   ► We've spoken about this in the past, that you have that feeling, but you seem to have

00:20:37 ◼   ► a better internal barometer of letting them go so far before you stop.

00:20:43 ◼   ► I don't know how you do that.

00:20:45 ◼   ► I have an idea like the idea of having a show about professional wrestling has been something I've wanted to do for a long time

00:20:50 ◼   ► And I had to do it

00:20:52 ◼   ► Mm-hmm, right. There was no question in my mind. Like I love talking about this thing

00:20:58 ◼   ► I want to talk about this thing on my friends and I want to make a podcast out of it

00:21:02 ◼   ► because that's what I've always done all of my shows come from a love of talking about something with the people and

00:21:07 ◼   ► and I couldn't not do it, but you seem to have

00:21:11 ◼   ► some kind of

00:21:14 ◼   ► barrier that something has to get through like you can be excited about something but you take it so far and

00:21:20 ◼   ► Then you stop and I don't know how you do it. Well for me. It's easier with

00:21:24 ◼   ► external

00:21:27 ◼   ► projects or things that are new like we discussed a while back, you know, I

00:21:32 ◼   ► Was getting pretty close to doing something like a like a video game review YouTube channel, and then I shut that down

00:21:38 ◼   ► I was like no this isn't this isn't gonna happen

00:21:41 ◼   ► And part of that is thinking through the, you know, the maximum benefit, maximum reward

00:21:49 ◼   ► of a project like that.

00:21:50 ◼   ► But it doesn't mean that like I haven't spent a bunch of time on it.

00:21:55 ◼   ► And I think with external projects like a new YouTube channel or say doing another podcast

00:22:02 ◼   ► or getting involved with businesses, right?

00:22:08 ◼   ► These are all kinds of things that, you know, sometimes I say yes to these decisions, sometimes

00:22:11 ◼   ► I say no to these decisions, but I try to think about like the risk return reward, like

00:22:17 ◼   ► what is the best possible way this could go, how much does this look like, what it's going

00:22:20 ◼   ► to take up with my time.

00:22:22 ◼   ► So for new stuff, I find it relatively easy at some point to sit down and seriously think

00:22:28 ◼   ► about it and to cut stuff.

00:22:31 ◼   ► to be perfectly open with you. Like my version of your podcast stuff is that

00:22:40 ◼   ► some mornings when I go into work and I go to write, there is something that I am

00:22:46 ◼   ► really excited about or something that's really on my mind as a thing that I want

00:22:52 ◼   ► to talk about in a video. And I'll end up spending an entire morning

00:22:57 ◼   ► or maybe two days working on a script that ultimately doesn't go anywhere.

00:23:02 ◼   ► Right, but it's like, but this thing has kind of like taken over my mind for a while,

00:23:06 ◼   ► I'm really thinking about this thing and I end up writing a whole bunch of stuff that ultimately goes nowhere

00:23:13 ◼   ► because I eventually decide, "Oh, I don't want to do this video or it just isn't quite working out."

00:23:18 ◼   ► But I have no ability to really say "no" mentally to those kind of things.

00:23:23 ◼   ► It's like well you you arrive in the office and whatever it is you want to write about

00:23:27 ◼   ► Whatever it feels like this is the thing that you're going to write about

00:23:30 ◼   ► That's what you're going to write about like you don't really have a choice in it

00:23:33 ◼   ► I get that but like my point is like you still are able to stop it

00:23:37 ◼   ► Right like you don't keep going like because many people could be like ah this isn't working. I need to start again

00:23:45 ◼   ► Like you know to stop

00:23:48 ◼   ► Yeah, I mean I guess it's it's a kind of

00:23:52 ◼   ► to kind of focus on a sunk cost fallacy

00:23:56 ◼   ► that you know just always keep in mind

00:23:59 ◼   ► that the hours you have put into a thing

00:24:01 ◼   ► and the resources that have you you have

00:24:03 ◼   ► put into a thing are meaningless

00:24:06 ◼   ► the only thing that matters is thinking

00:24:08 ◼   ► about the future hours and resources

00:24:11 ◼   ► that you're going to put into a project

00:24:13 ◼   ► and what you can expect the return is

00:24:15 ◼   ► going to be. Maybe it's just because I

00:24:17 ◼   ► don't really I don't really value my

00:24:21 ◼   ► past self very highly and whatever he has been up to or whatever he has done

00:24:26 ◼   ► so maybe that's why I find it a little bit easier to let go of projects or to

00:24:31 ◼   ► have been writing something for a few days and then to realize that god this

00:24:35 ◼   ► isn't going to go anywhere just forget it and just just leave it and not and

00:24:38 ◼   ► not feel like I am going to spend the next three weeks massaging this into a

00:24:44 ◼   ► thing that is ultimately publishable like I'm very happy letting stuff go

00:24:47 ◼   ► Maybe that's why I don't know.

00:24:50 ◼   ► - Another thing I wonder is the difference

00:24:52 ◼   ► in our attitudes towards the things that we do.

00:24:55 ◼   ► So like I was, I started podcasts as just a fun thing.

00:25:00 ◼   ► Like my hobby, like the thing that I love

00:25:02 ◼   ► and then it ended up being my business.

00:25:05 ◼   ► And I don't think you necessarily feel that way

00:25:08 ◼   ► about YouTube videos.

00:25:09 ◼   ► Like it was always intended as like a business endeavor first

00:25:13 ◼   ► so like I have this, like once I have an idea for a podcast

00:25:16 ◼   ► I'm like I gotta do it.

00:25:17 ◼   ► But then when you have an idea for a video,

00:25:19 ◼   ► like it gets so far and it's like,

00:25:20 ◼   ► this doesn't make business sense anymore.

00:25:23 ◼   ► So like it goes back to the original feeling

00:25:25 ◼   ► about the thing.

00:25:27 ◼   ► Where for me it was like,

00:25:28 ◼   ► this seems like it was gonna be so much fun,

00:25:30 ◼   ► I gotta do it.

00:25:31 ◼   ► I don't care if I make any money.

00:25:34 ◼   ► - You're passionate about what you do, Myke.

00:25:36 ◼   ► - I do, it's a real fire in my belly.

00:25:38 ◼   ► - It is your strength and possibly your ultimate downfall.

00:25:43 ◼   ► - It's, you know when you go to a job interview

00:25:47 ◼   ► your strengths your weakness. This is it for me right? My strength is my weakness. I'm

00:25:53 ◼   ► too focused. That's my problem. I don't know when to stop working. I am too strong of a

00:26:00 ◼   ► leader. I am too much of a team player. Yeah exactly. How's your summer been? I know you've

00:26:10 ◼   ► been on graycation. Well. Oh by the way I have to mention this and just because it's

00:26:16 ◼   ► such a good joke where I called your vacations a graycation, right?

00:26:22 ◼   ► And you called mine a mike-cation.

00:26:24 ◼   ► Why yes that on the Reddit said, "Surely you mean a hurly day."

00:26:30 ◼   ► How good is that?

00:26:33 ◼   ► That causes me physical pain.

00:26:35 ◼   ► It's so good.

00:26:36 ◼   ► That's how we know it's good because it hurts you.

00:26:39 ◼   ► I don't think that's the barometer by which we measure if things are good because they

00:26:43 ◼   ► cause me pain.

00:26:44 ◼   ► I do not approve of this barometer. This barometer is no good.

00:26:47 ◼   ► You wouldn't.

00:26:48 ◼   ► No, of course not.

00:26:50 ◼   ► I don't think I can use Hurley days.

00:26:53 ◼   ► I'm not sure I can bring myself to do that.

00:26:55 ◼   ► We've discussed how my Hurley day went.

00:26:58 ◼   ► How did your graycation go?

00:27:02 ◼   ► It went well. It went well.

00:27:04 ◼   ► So what I had in mind for this #summeroflotsoftravelandnotfun summer...

00:27:11 ◼   ► You keep changing it.

00:27:13 ◼   ► The thing about hashtags is they have to be the same.

00:27:16 ◼   ► Keep changing them, it doesn't work anymore.

00:27:18 ◼   ► - No, I think it's fine.

00:27:20 ◼   ► Twitter's really good about that kind of stuff.

00:27:21 ◼   ► I'm sure they'll auto-merge it or whatever.

00:27:23 ◼   ► - Yeah, yeah, Boolean searches.

00:27:25 ◼   ► - Yeah, that'll be perfect.

00:27:27 ◼   ► My whole frame of reference was last summer,

00:27:33 ◼   ► not the summer most recently passed,

00:27:35 ◼   ► but the summer last summer.

00:27:36 ◼   ► - Yeah, you really helped narrow that down

00:27:38 ◼   ► to that explanation.

00:27:39 ◼   ► (both laughing)

00:27:41 ◼   ► - I'm aiming for maximum clarity here.

00:27:43 ◼   ► You're doing a great job.

00:27:46 ◼   ► It was a disaster that summer that had passed that was not the most recent summer.

00:27:50 ◼   ► Do you mean the one before the one after the next one?

00:27:53 ◼   ► No, that does not sound right.

00:27:54 ◼   ► No, it doesn't.

00:27:55 ◼   ► No, that's wrong, Myke.

00:27:57 ◼   ► You don't know how to do this.

00:27:58 ◼   ► I'm not following it.

00:27:59 ◼   ► Leave it to the professionals.

00:28:00 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:28:01 ◼   ► So that summer didn't go well because I did a terrible job of managing work and personal

00:28:06 ◼   ► life and a bunch of other things.

00:28:08 ◼   ► And so my goal for this summer was it needs to be better.

00:28:14 ◼   ► It needs to be better than last time.

00:28:17 ◼   ► What's better?

00:28:21 ◼   ► Better is measured by do I feel worse after having taken a vacation or do I feel better

00:28:30 ◼   ► after having taken a vacation?

00:28:32 ◼   ► And when I came back from vacation two summers ago, I ended up coming back feeling frazzled.

00:28:38 ◼   ► Like I did not feel like, "Oh, what a great break I had.

00:28:42 ◼   ► This was a fantastic time."

00:28:44 ◼   ► I ended up feeling like I did everything poorly.

00:28:46 ◼   ► I did work poorly and I did vacationing poorly.

00:28:49 ◼   ► And it just, it wasn't a great experience.

00:28:50 ◼   ► It ended up leading into like a grumpy September gray who had returned.

00:28:55 ◼   ► It just, it wasn't, it wasn't a good situation.

00:28:58 ◼   ► So this summer what I mean by better is it's almost measured by a kind of like a mindfulness

00:29:08 ◼   ► or a presence in the moment.

00:29:11 ◼   ► So the feeling is whatever I'm doing this summer at that moment that should be the thing

00:29:17 ◼   ► that's on my mind.

00:29:19 ◼   ► I shouldn't be also having other stuff in the back of my mind.

00:29:24 ◼   ► But I would say for the most part, I was pretty successful this summer.

00:29:31 ◼   ► It fell down a little bit towards the end of August when work life started to intrude

00:29:38 ◼   ► again.

00:29:39 ◼   ► But for the most part I was able to have the feeling of like being at WWDC.

00:29:44 ◼   ► I am at WWDC, this is really the only thing that I have to think about or that I have

00:29:49 ◼   ► to focus on.

00:29:51 ◼   ► again, for the most part I was at VidCon and it's like this is what I'm focusing on, I'm here at VidCon, let me do this thing.

00:29:58 ◼   ► And then later in the summer it's I am with my family and again not entirely but mostly I'm able to focus on this thing.

00:30:07 ◼   ► And then there's a family reunion that happens later on, it's like am I able to focus on this thing?

00:30:12 ◼   ► Again, mostly, not entirely, this is where work starts to intrude like a little bit but it's still relatively minor.

00:30:20 ◼   ► And then after that, my wife and I went on our own to Las Vegas for a bit of downtime

00:30:26 ◼   ► And it was like, yes, I'm able to focus on downtime here for the most part

00:30:32 ◼   ► Whereas last year again, I just felt like I was trying to do everything at once

00:30:37 ◼   ► Vastly, vastly overestimating how much could possibly be done

00:30:42 ◼   ► And this year, since I cut down the number of videos that I would theoretically be working on over this course of time

00:30:52 ◼   ► and of course I cut down the number of podcasts I was doing

00:30:55 ◼   ► I was much much more successful in being able to be present in the moment for the things that I was doing

00:31:03 ◼   ► instead of always having something running in the back of my mind about like

00:31:07 ◼   ► "You need to be thinking about the next podcast"

00:31:09 ◼   ► of what are you going to be talking about and you need to be thinking about the videos

00:31:12 ◼   ► that you need to be writing and what are you going to do about that. I was able to mostly

00:31:16 ◼   ► kind of calm that and move that out of my mind for the vast majority of the summer.

00:31:22 ◼   ► Again, only falling down slightly towards the end of August. So I would say it was mostly

00:31:27 ◼   ► a success. I'm pretty pleased with the way things went.

00:31:30 ◼   ► Yeah, it sounds better. Sounds way better. And you were gone for a long time, so the

00:31:34 ◼   ► fact that you were able to manage it that nicely is good.

00:31:37 ◼   ► Yeah it did it did work out I think again what one of these things is really

00:31:43 ◼   ► trying to just really trying to know about yourself and to make accurate

00:31:50 ◼   ► estimates about yourself and and one of those things that I just couldn't ignore

00:31:54 ◼   ► when I was thinking forward to the summer was the sheer number of flights

00:31:59 ◼   ► that I was going to be getting on and just recognizing that like that kind of

00:32:05 ◼   ► stuff is surprisingly draining for me. That there's an any day that involves any kind

00:32:13 ◼   ► of plane travel, I just have to write off the possibility of even doing work because

00:32:17 ◼   ► it's just like it's just not going to happen because I know I'm going to be thinking about

00:32:20 ◼   ► the flight for the whole time until I get on the plane and then since I'm going to be

00:32:25 ◼   ► moving locations like I kind of spend the rest of the day like settling into wherever

00:32:28 ◼   ► it is that I am. It's like you can't possibly do podcasts on any of these days. You're never

00:32:33 ◼   ► going to do any kind of quality writing on a day like this. So just looking at your calendar,

00:32:37 ◼   ► there's so many days that you're flying, you just have to knock all of those off. And then

00:32:43 ◼   ► also the thing that I have to recognize is both times I went to America when I was coming

00:32:49 ◼   ► back to the EU, I would be coming back from my favorite time zone in the world, California

00:32:55 ◼   ► time which is just horrific for me for jet lag when I come back like it always

00:33:01 ◼   ► knocks out a real week before I feel like a normal person coming back and

00:33:07 ◼   ► again it's like it's it's easy to look at an empty calendar and to be able to

00:33:14 ◼   ► overestimate how much it is that you're going to do or to think that days are

00:33:18 ◼   ► like normal days but I was really trying to think about that upcoming summer

00:33:24 ◼   ► or think about things like people

00:33:26 ◼   ► that I was going to be interacting with

00:33:29 ◼   ► and just accepting and really understanding

00:33:33 ◼   ► how much time and focus and energy

00:33:37 ◼   ► does this really represent,

00:33:39 ◼   ► not how much you want it to represent,

00:33:41 ◼   ► and try to plan for that.

00:33:43 ◼   ► And as always with these things,

00:33:46 ◼   ► even when you think about that,

00:33:48 ◼   ► there's always going to be more that happens

00:33:51 ◼   ► than you expect,

00:33:52 ◼   ► and you're going to be able to do even less than you think so it's like

00:33:57 ◼   ► just trying to just trying to plan for for all of that so

00:34:02 ◼   ► know yourself i guess is what i'm trying to say here and i feel like i did a much

00:34:05 ◼   ► better job of knowing myself this summer

00:34:09 ◼   ► and i think i will will do an even better job of

00:34:12 ◼   ► knowing myself next summer about how to how to work

00:34:16 ◼   ► and how to not work and how to do

00:34:18 ◼   ► gradations

00:34:20 ◼   ► I need to know myself better, it would appear.

00:34:22 ◼   ► Well, you know, like I said, it's...

00:34:28 ◼   ► Well, here's the problem. I know myself, but I ignore what I know.

00:34:32 ◼   ► Well, that's...

00:34:33 ◼   ► That's a whole different situation.

00:34:35 ◼   ► Well, I mean, if we imagine Myke Hurley as a black box,

00:34:40 ◼   ► knowing yourself and ignoring what you know about yourself from a black box perspective is functionally equivalent to not knowing about yourself.

00:34:46 ◼   ► So, I don't really give you any credit for that.

00:34:49 ◼   ► Okay.

00:34:50 ◼   ► I'm sorry Myke. I'm not looking for credit.

00:34:52 ◼   ► That was, I was commiserating.

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00:36:51 ◼   ► Part of the problem I have had this summer

00:36:55 ◼   ► is a huge disruption in my life.

00:36:58 ◼   ► - Oh, yes.

00:36:59 ◼   ► - Which has taken place over the last few weeks.

00:37:02 ◼   ► - Yes.

00:37:02 ◼   ► - And that is a second job that I've taken on,

00:37:05 ◼   ► which is trying to buy a house.

00:37:07 ◼   ► - It seems like buying a house, I don't know,

00:37:12 ◼   ► I have this irrational feeling that buying a house should be like buying anything.

00:37:19 ◼   ► How hard can it be?

00:37:20 ◼   ► All I want to do is add house to cart and check out.

00:37:23 ◼   ► Yes, that's exactly right.

00:37:26 ◼   ► That's what I want to do.

00:37:27 ◼   ► Yeah, every once in a while I do look at like property price apps, you know, to see houses

00:37:33 ◼   ► in an area because I'm curious about this kind of thing.

00:37:35 ◼   ► I do feel like all of those real estate apps where you can browse through the houses and

00:37:38 ◼   ► you're like, oh, here's a house.

00:37:39 ◼   ► Yes, they should have a little add house to cart at the bottom.

00:37:43 ◼   ► Like, yes, I would like to buy this house.

00:37:45 ◼   ► Can we just do this?

00:37:46 ◼   ► Can I just press a button and like mortgage approved and it all just goes through?

00:37:51 ◼   ► But no, it sounds like from your experience that it's not nearly that simple.

00:37:56 ◼   ► No, it's a nightmare.

00:37:58 ◼   ► I can't imagine doing this on my own.

00:38:02 ◼   ► Like, me and Adina buying this house together is the only thing that's able to keep me sane

00:38:09 ◼   ► because she is a very detail oriented person and is reading all the paperwork and spending

00:38:14 ◼   ► time on it, like things that I don't want to do.

00:38:18 ◼   ► But while she's doing a lot of that stuff, there's just more that's happening in your

00:38:22 ◼   ► life and it really does feel like having another job because it's adding stress and it's like

00:38:29 ◼   ► a new job.

00:38:30 ◼   ► It's like when you start a job because everything you're learning is completely new and then

00:38:36 ◼   ► you're dealing with a ton of paperwork, right?

00:38:39 ◼   ► So it feels like when it starts, it's a new job.

00:38:43 ◼   ► Then it starts to feel like a job that you're settled in with because you then have to start

00:38:47 ◼   ► chasing people for things that you need.

00:38:51 ◼   ► And this happens by email and it happens by phone.

00:38:55 ◼   ► You start getting a bunch of emails that you don't want.

00:39:01 ◼   ► And the problem that I have found is you have this new job that you have to pay a lot of

00:39:06 ◼   ► attention to and it takes up a lot of your time but you're still doing the job

00:39:10 ◼   ► that you have already as well so I'm working two jobs right now. So this is

00:39:17 ◼   ► part of the background radiation behind the busy week and the busier week is

00:39:22 ◼   ► also essentially you feel like you have a whole other job trying to find and buy

00:39:28 ◼   ► a house. Yeah it's it's a real big thing and something that's making it a little

00:39:34 ◼   ► bit harder for us. There are a bunch of circumstances around the house that we're buying, which

00:39:39 ◼   ► means that we, from putting in the offer, have one month, 28 days, to buy the house.

00:39:48 ◼   ► This process usually takes 12 weeks, 3 months, to do, and we have to compress it to one month.

00:39:55 ◼   ► So it has been fast-paced and action-packed.

00:39:58 ◼   ► Exciting, I'm sure!

00:40:02 ◼   ► - It is exciting, it is.

00:40:05 ◼   ► It's also terrifying.

00:40:06 ◼   ► It's terrifying when you are self-employed

00:40:11 ◼   ► to think about owning a home.

00:40:14 ◼   ► That is a scary thing to think about

00:40:19 ◼   ► and it's something that I am coming to terms with

00:40:22 ◼   ► and trying to come to terms with

00:40:24 ◼   ► and I'm sure that's gonna take a little while.

00:40:26 ◼   ► - Why do you think it's particularly scary

00:40:28 ◼   ► when you're self-employed?

00:40:29 ◼   ► Like what is the thing that keeps Myke up at night?

00:40:32 ◼   ► - It's on you, the money that you make is on you.

00:40:37 ◼   ► Now there is as much risk of me getting fired from a job

00:40:42 ◼   ► as there is from my business falling to pieces, right?

00:40:46 ◼   ► In fact, if anything, I would say it's less likely

00:40:49 ◼   ► for my business to fall to pieces

00:40:50 ◼   ► because if something's going wrong, by and large,

00:40:54 ◼   ► I can know about it and maybe try and fix it, right?

00:40:57 ◼   ► and if something's going wrong in the company

00:41:00 ◼   ► you're employed by, most of the time

00:41:02 ◼   ► you can't do anything about it.

00:41:03 ◼   ► It's not even in your view that there's a problem,

00:41:06 ◼   ► even if there was, you probably couldn't be

00:41:07 ◼   ► the one to fix it, right?

00:41:10 ◼   ► Companies go bust, it happens,

00:41:11 ◼   ► and then if you work for one of those companies,

00:41:13 ◼   ► then you're in trouble.

00:41:15 ◼   ► So in that sense, like okay, maybe I have

00:41:18 ◼   ► a little bit more security in a weird way.

00:41:21 ◼   ► However, the money that comes through the company

00:41:24 ◼   ► or the money that comes to me,

00:41:26 ◼   ► I'm responsible for making a lot of it.

00:41:28 ◼   ► Running this company,

00:41:33 ◼   ► I'm responsible for the directions that it goes in.

00:41:36 ◼   ► And that is scary when you then have to couple on

00:41:41 ◼   ► a financial commitment and a home

00:41:44 ◼   ► and a mortgage payment that you have to meet every month.

00:41:47 ◼   ► And having people rely on you to bring that money in

00:41:52 ◼   ► so you can continue living in the house.

00:41:56 ◼   ► That is a very, very different feeling.

00:41:58 ◼   ► It is a feeling, I didn't expect this,

00:42:02 ◼   ► quite close to what it was like

00:42:04 ◼   ► when I originally quit my job.

00:42:06 ◼   ► - Hmm.

00:42:08 ◼   ► - Because it is the, this (beep) just got real feeling

00:42:13 ◼   ► and it's all on you now, buddy.

00:42:16 ◼   ► - Yeah.

00:42:17 ◼   ► - That's how it feels.

00:42:18 ◼   ► - I can definitely sympathize with that.

00:42:23 ◼   ► So like I don't even know if I'm,

00:42:26 ◼   ► how much more busy I really am,

00:42:28 ◼   ► but everything feels more busy.

00:42:32 ◼   ► So like I've noticed a thing this week

00:42:34 ◼   ► where I've felt that this week that I have been jam packed

00:42:37 ◼   ► and my calendar says so that I've had lots of stuff on

00:42:39 ◼   ► and my task manager says I have lots of stuff on.

00:42:41 ◼   ► However, this week, every day,

00:42:44 ◼   ► I have got my task manager to zero,

00:42:47 ◼   ► which is not something that usually happens.

00:42:51 ◼   ► Usually there's a couple of things left

00:42:52 ◼   ► that I move to the next day.

00:42:54 ◼   ► But I've been clearing my tasks more

00:42:56 ◼   ► and I don't fully understand what's going on here.

00:42:59 ◼   ► Either I'm overworking because I feel like I'm busy

00:43:02 ◼   ► or I'm more correctly planning things

00:43:06 ◼   ► or this is just like a freaking age thing.

00:43:08 ◼   ► I don't know what the cause and effect is here,

00:43:11 ◼   ► but all I know is I feel like I'm busier

00:43:13 ◼   ► and I'm doing more stuff.

00:43:14 ◼   ► It's very strange.

00:43:15 ◼   ► And I don't actually think that those two things

00:43:17 ◼   ► are connected in a weird way.

00:43:20 ◼   ► Like I feel busier and then do more work.

00:43:23 ◼   ► It's not that I'm doing more work and then feeling busier.

00:43:26 ◼   ► - You think the busyness is causing you to do more work?

00:43:29 ◼   ► - I think maybe, which is very strange.

00:43:32 ◼   ► - Yeah, I don't understand how things work in your mic mind.

00:43:34 ◼   ► - No, I think it's like the stress of knowing

00:43:37 ◼   ► there's so much stuff on is pushing me to work longer hours.

00:43:41 ◼   ► I think that might be what's going on here.

00:43:44 ◼   ► - Right, because things are real.

00:43:47 ◼   ► You have a deadline with this house.

00:43:48 ◼   ► - Yep.

00:43:49 ◼   ► to get done and it's all on you so somebody has to stay up and do all of these things.

00:43:58 ◼   ► Because maybe like the fact that I have this insane deadline of a house is making every

00:44:04 ◼   ► deadline feel tougher.

00:44:06 ◼   ► It's like deadlines mean something.

00:44:11 ◼   ► Yeah, this is actually a deadline that means something.

00:44:15 ◼   ► Yes, I do find that one of the things that you learn

00:44:19 ◼   ► in life is many deadlines, they're not really deadlines.

00:44:24 ◼   ► There's actually very few things that are real deadlines.

00:44:28 ◼   ► The things have to happen by a certain date.

00:44:31 ◼   ► Many deadlines have a kind of squishiness to them.

00:44:34 ◼   ► But it seems like this house deadline is a real deadline.

00:44:37 ◼   ► Like if you don't hit this, you lose this house

00:44:40 ◼   ► then maybe you start all over and that's not something that you want to do.

00:44:43 ◼   ► No, that start all over is one of the worst start all overs you can be at, right?

00:44:49 ◼   ► Like you lost a house, go back to jail, don't pass, go, don't collect 200 pounds.

00:44:56 ◼   ► It's really stressful man.

00:44:57 ◼   ► I'm very sorry that it's stressful for you Myke.

00:44:59 ◼   ► I'll give a little background, like I've never rented a place, you know, so like there's

00:45:03 ◼   ► a lot of new things here for me, like even just like going to look at somewhere, you

00:45:08 ◼   ► I live at home right now and I will be moving straight into a house that I own.

00:45:14 ◼   ► Mm-hmm. So there's so many new things happening right now. Like I've never...

00:45:18 ◼   ► well I moved once in my life, you know, and I wasn't controlling the move. My

00:45:25 ◼   ► parents did that. So you mean moved once just as as a human being ever? Yeah. From

00:45:31 ◼   ► born until now, until this moment? Yeah. You have moved once? Technically it's twice but I

00:45:36 ◼   ► - I don't remember the first one, right?

00:45:38 ◼   ► But we moved to the place that we're in now

00:45:40 ◼   ► about 11 years ago, but I wasn't in control of any of that.

00:45:45 ◼   ► Everything was just done around me.

00:45:47 ◼   ► But this is like everything.

00:45:49 ◼   ► Everything's on me, on us.

00:45:52 ◼   ► And it's just a really strange thing.

00:45:54 ◼   ► And it is playing into a problem that I have

00:45:59 ◼   ► of a feeling of busyness stressing me out.

00:46:04 ◼   ► I've spoken about this on the show in the past

00:46:06 ◼   ► where I feel like I'm busy

00:46:07 ◼   ► and I get super stressed out about it,

00:46:09 ◼   ► when I sit down and work out what I actually have,

00:46:12 ◼   ► it becomes a lot more manageable.

00:46:14 ◼   ► I think a lot of people like to sit down

00:46:15 ◼   ► and write out a list of the stuff you've got

00:46:17 ◼   ► and it feels better.

00:46:18 ◼   ► But this time, I actually can't do that

00:46:21 ◼   ► because I can't write out the house buying process

00:46:25 ◼   ► because every day new things are happening

00:46:27 ◼   ► that I cannot foresee.

00:46:29 ◼   ► So when I put in my to-do list, buy a house,

00:46:32 ◼   ► I have no idea what that means, right?

00:46:34 ◼   ► Until the moment that it's done.

00:46:36 ◼   ► - Yeah, this feels like one of those moments where

00:46:40 ◼   ► someone's gonna chime in, like, oh, you just crank

00:46:42 ◼   ► the getting things done methodology, right?

00:46:44 ◼   ► And you just think, well, what's the next physical action

00:46:46 ◼   ► I have to take?

00:46:46 ◼   ► It's like, you know what?

00:46:47 ◼   ► For some big projects, especially projects

00:46:49 ◼   ► where there's just a huge cloud of unknowability

00:46:53 ◼   ► around them, it's not that simple.

00:46:56 ◼   ► - Nope.

00:46:57 ◼   ► - Right, like, you, this is the problem of unknown unknowns

00:47:01 ◼   ► that you don't know what you don't know.

00:47:05 ◼   ► - Yep.

00:47:06 ◼   ► - And that makes estimation and difficulty level

00:47:10 ◼   ► just meaningless.

00:47:12 ◼   ► It's just throw it out the window.

00:47:13 ◼   ► You have no ability to know how hard this is going to be

00:47:16 ◼   ► or how long it's going to take or what needs to happen

00:47:18 ◼   ► because you don't know the step that you don't know

00:47:21 ◼   ► because you've never bought a house before.

00:47:23 ◼   ► - I have a great example of this.

00:47:25 ◼   ► This week we knew that we were expecting

00:47:28 ◼   ► information from our solicitor lawyer.

00:47:32 ◼   ► We call them solicitors here.

00:47:34 ◼   ► And this was gonna be a bunch of information

00:47:36 ◼   ► about the property, contracts and stuff like that

00:47:38 ◼   ► that we'd need to look over.

00:47:40 ◼   ► So we were expecting these documents to come through.

00:47:42 ◼   ► They sent 50 documents.

00:47:45 ◼   ► Right, so I knew this paperwork was coming through.

00:47:52 ◼   ► Didn't expect 50 documents that we had to read.

00:47:55 ◼   ► - Did you read the mic?

00:47:56 ◼   ► - I didn't.

00:47:57 ◼   ► - Oh, okay.

00:47:58 ◼   ► did. so when you say that we had to read. oh I have a stack to read it's just not

00:48:03 ◼   ► the full stack. okay. they have been vetted now. this is the thing you have to

00:48:09 ◼   ► read this read it that's what I've been told I'm very grateful for this but it's

00:48:15 ◼   ► like even the amount that I have to read is more than I thought you know like I

00:48:19 ◼   ► have like maybe like 15 things 15 documents I have to read I thought we

00:48:23 ◼   ► were gonna get like five mm-hmm right so this is like you cannot plan for this

00:48:27 ◼   ► but then even in the back of my mind I know I'm not reading all that stuff but

00:48:30 ◼   ► it's there in my head right it's this thing that is there that needs to be

00:48:35 ◼   ► done I like that you have just admitted on the show that you have been handed a

00:48:39 ◼   ► a pre-screen like please read these things oh I'm so lucky list of things

00:48:44 ◼   ► but you're still not even gonna read the thing is right I this is the thing if it

00:48:48 ◼   ► was on me those not all those documents would be read I would have read an

00:48:51 ◼   ► amount of them because I couldn't find the time for it. Within the

00:48:55 ◼   ► deadlines that have been set for us there's no way that I would be able to

00:48:59 ◼   ► do that and it's because Adina is amazing and she will stay up till very

00:49:06 ◼   ► late doing it but like I just can't bring myself to do that. And it adds

00:49:12 ◼   ► into the busyness feeling right? Where like my brain like I'm doing it right

00:49:16 ◼   ► now my brain is saying you can't there's no way you can do this. Right yeah this

00:49:20 ◼   ► This is the thing, there is something eating away at your mind even if you're not actually

00:49:26 ◼   ► doing it.

00:49:27 ◼   ► Yep.

00:49:28 ◼   ► It's still consuming some part of your brain that worries about it and contributes to the

00:49:32 ◼   ► feeling of busyness.

00:49:34 ◼   ► This whole thing is just crazy.

00:49:35 ◼   ► But for the next episode, we may own this house, which is amazing.

00:49:41 ◼   ► I'm going to have an office, Gray.

00:49:42 ◼   ► Ooh.

00:49:43 ◼   ► You're going to have an actual dedicated podcasting office?

00:49:48 ◼   ► Mega office is what it's called.

00:49:50 ◼   ► Mega Office.

00:49:51 ◼   ► Yeah, I've given it the name Mega Office.

00:49:53 ◼   ► I have a Pinterest board set up called Mega Office.

00:49:55 ◼   ► Wow.

00:49:56 ◼   ► Where I'm adding things in.

00:49:57 ◼   ► I'm looking at IKEA catalogs.

00:50:00 ◼   ► Ooh.

00:50:01 ◼   ► I'm looking at smart home devices.

00:50:04 ◼   ► I'm very excited.

00:50:06 ◼   ► That's what I'm excited about.

00:50:07 ◼   ► I'm excited about Mega Office.

00:50:09 ◼   ► That is exciting.

00:50:10 ◼   ► That's the reason that you're doing this, right?

00:50:11 ◼   ► To get a space that you can make your own space.

00:50:13 ◼   ► This is one of the key reasons.

00:50:15 ◼   ► Yeah, we're getting a two bedroom place and I'm going to finally have an office.

00:50:20 ◼   ► office to work in and we're gonna be in the inner rim.

00:50:24 ◼   ► Oh wow! You're really upgrading your life.

00:50:27 ◼   ► There is a coffee shop I can walk to, which does good coffee. We went to view the house

00:50:33 ◼   ► again yesterday and I had amazing French toast at this place. There is a gym in our building,

00:50:40 ◼   ► Grey.

00:50:41 ◼   ► Oh that's nice.

00:50:42 ◼   ► We are moving into civilization. That's what we're doing here.

00:50:46 ◼   ► That's very exciting.

00:50:47 ◼   ► will be able to jump on a train and be in central London in 15 minutes.

00:50:51 ◼   ► You can fantasize about how productive you're going to be in this new environment. It's

00:50:55 ◼   ► going to be amazing.

00:50:56 ◼   ► I'm going to do four times the shows and I'm going to be a bodybuilder. It's going to be

00:51:01 ◼   ► brilliant, I can't wait.

00:51:02 ◼   ► Well, that seems like a very good reason to buy a house then.

00:51:05 ◼   ► Yep. I mean, in all seriousness, it's going to make big changes to our lives in good and

00:51:12 ◼   ► bad ways right but I think the net result I'm very positive that the net

00:51:17 ◼   ► result of this is gonna be all upside. You know like we're gonna be have our

00:51:21 ◼   ► own space we're gonna be happy in it we're gonna be back in London again like

00:51:26 ◼   ► close into London so you actually go do things I think it's gonna make a lot of

00:51:30 ◼   ► positive effects on our life but it's gonna add some stuff too it's gonna add

00:51:34 ◼   ► I feel like a super adult. This is something a friend mentioned this to me the other day,

00:51:42 ◼   ► the term super adult, and that is how this feels. Like everything has gotten incredibly real. We got

00:51:48 ◼   ► engaged in between the time we recorded these shows as well, right? Oh yes, have we even

00:51:54 ◼   ► mentioned that on the show? I don't know if we did. No, I asked Adina to marry me and foolishly

00:52:00 ◼   ► enough she said yes. So like we're doing everything right now. Congratulations to the two of you.

00:52:09 ◼   ► So this is what you mean by super adult that you are engaged, you're going to be a married man,

00:52:15 ◼   ► you're going to have a mortgage. I guess you need you need like a car payment next. We're thinking

00:52:23 ◼   ► about getting a car yeah. That will also mean I have to get a driving license first because I

00:52:28 ◼   ► don't have one because I'm a Londoner. Right, right. Why would you need a driver's license

00:52:34 ◼   ► in London? You have no need for it. But we get a parking space so now we're thinking

00:52:39 ◼   ► about getting a car. No, see that's a terrible reason to get a car is because you have a

00:52:43 ◼   ► parking space. Not immediately. First we can rent out the parking space. Yeah rent it out,

00:52:47 ◼   ► that's exactly it. You have a parking space in London, it's like owning a gold mine. Rent

00:52:53 ◼   ► that out. So we'll do that but we are thinking about like eventually getting a car, you know,

00:52:58 ◼   ► We're moving head on into adult life here.

00:53:02 ◼   ► - Wow, how do you feel about that, Myke?

00:53:04 ◼   ► Does it feel like mortality crushing down upon you

00:53:10 ◼   ► or are you mostly excited?

00:53:11 ◼   ► - I'm mostly excited.

00:53:12 ◼   ► - Good, I'm glad you are.

00:53:13 ◼   ► - I haven't had the mortality feeling yet.

00:53:15 ◼   ► - Just you wait.

00:53:16 ◼   ► - Oh yeah, there's documents, right?

00:53:17 ◼   ► There's documents coming my way.

00:53:19 ◼   ► Lots of life insurance paperwork and stuff, you know.

00:53:21 ◼   ► That mortality is gonna be outlined to me

00:53:24 ◼   ► in black and white.

00:53:25 ◼   ► - Excellent, excellent.

00:53:27 ◼   ► There is a lot going on right now.

00:53:28 ◼   ► And I'm hoping that once I get through this,

00:53:31 ◼   ► probably year long process,

00:53:34 ◼   ► I'll be back to a better feeling again.

00:53:37 ◼   ► See, like my feeling right now in my brain

00:53:39 ◼   ► is like you are feeling really stressed right now.

00:53:41 ◼   ► You have a lot of things going on.

00:53:42 ◼   ► You have new projects and stuff that you're working on.

00:53:45 ◼   ► But in 2017, you hopefully will have got through

00:53:48 ◼   ► a lot of this.

00:53:49 ◼   ► So then you can start to relax.

00:53:52 ◼   ► Oh, and then you got to plan a wedding.

00:53:53 ◼   ► Congratulations.

00:53:54 ◼   ► - Right.

00:53:55 ◼   ► Yeah, you'll be, don't worry.

00:53:56 ◼   ► You'll be through this in a short four months.

00:54:00 ◼   ► That's what you're planning on here.

00:54:03 ◼   ► At least the buying of the house will be done and we'll be moved in and I'll have mega office

00:54:08 ◼   ► so what can go wrong?

00:54:10 ◼   ► What can go wrong and I can visit you there.

00:54:12 ◼   ► It'll be fun.

00:54:13 ◼   ► Yep.

00:54:14 ◼   ► I feel like the lesson for the listener is to not do what Myke has done.

00:54:21 ◼   ► Yeah take this as a warning.

00:54:24 ◼   ► If you're going to buy a house or do some other equivalently large, unknowable project,

00:54:33 ◼   ► don't also take on a bunch of other new projects right before you do this.

00:54:39 ◼   ► That's a bad idea. You should do the anti-mic plan and try to pare down everything to the bare minimum

00:54:49 ◼   ► bare minimum if you're taking on a big project like this because it's going to be a second

00:54:53 ◼   ► job. Don't do what Myke did. Cut everything to the bone. Then embark on a big project

00:54:59 ◼   ► like getting a house.

00:55:00 ◼   ► Myke I feel like being self-employed is the key

00:55:03 ◼   ► problem here because at least I know in my old day job I could have just worked less.

00:55:10 ◼   ► Right like looked busy.

00:55:11 ◼   ► Myke I like how you said that Myke.

00:55:14 ◼   ► Myke You know I could have just looked busy for

00:55:17 ◼   ► for a while, but also be working on the house stuff

00:55:21 ◼   ► during my work day.

00:55:23 ◼   ► - Yep.

00:55:24 ◼   ► - Because I was running and starting a business

00:55:27 ◼   ► whilst I was in my work day.

00:55:29 ◼   ► But I can't really do that now because the output

00:55:33 ◼   ► is directly responsible for me as the owner of the business

00:55:37 ◼   ► and as a contributor to the business, right?

00:55:40 ◼   ► So with the self-employed stuff, it's like if I don't

00:55:43 ◼   ► do the work, I don't get paid.

00:55:45 ◼   ► but when I was in my old job, I could do less work

00:55:48 ◼   ► but still got the same amount of money every month

00:55:51 ◼   ► because I could hide it.

00:55:53 ◼   ► So I think it's, for me I feel like

00:55:55 ◼   ► at least with my own experience,

00:55:58 ◼   ► this house buying stuff is harder on me

00:56:00 ◼   ► because of my working situation.

00:56:02 ◼   ► Because if I would have still been at the bank,

00:56:04 ◼   ► I could have carved out some time in my day

00:56:07 ◼   ► to do and think about this stuff,

00:56:09 ◼   ► more so than what I can currently do.

00:56:12 ◼   ► - Yeah, I agree with that.

00:56:12 ◼   ► I was just trying to find,

00:56:14 ◼   ► but I'm not gonna be able to remember it now.

00:56:16 ◼   ► Maybe I'll see if I can find it for the show notes.

00:56:19 ◼   ► But I read a book a long time ago,

00:56:22 ◼   ► which was essentially about office culture.

00:56:26 ◼   ► It was particularly in the United Kingdom,

00:56:29 ◼   ► but they were doing studies of essentially watching

00:56:33 ◼   ► office monkeys all day and trying to figure out

00:56:36 ◼   ► how much are they actually doing.

00:56:40 ◼   ► And the main thesis of the book was that

00:56:43 ◼   ► an enormous number of white-collar employees are vastly underemployed.

00:56:48 ◼   ► That the joke in office space where someone comes in and he's like,

00:56:53 ◼   ► "Oh, I actually probably do about 20 minutes of real intense work in a day,"

00:56:57 ◼   ► is like, for lots of jobs, like, that's not necessarily that far off.

00:57:02 ◼   ► So this is the difference with being self-employed versus having a job,

00:57:08 ◼   ► where what you were saying before about the relative security of either,

00:57:12 ◼   ► - Yeah, I do think you may have a very good point

00:57:17 ◼   ► that being self-employed in a bizarre way

00:57:19 ◼   ► is actually more of a secure job.

00:57:22 ◼   ► But the advantage that an office job has

00:57:27 ◼   ► is that kind of coasting that you can do.

00:57:31 ◼   ► - Here's the thing, I can do that.

00:57:32 ◼   ► I can do the coasting, right?

00:57:34 ◼   ► Or like, you know, I'm not saying,

00:57:37 ◼   ► but you just took a ton of time off, right?

00:57:39 ◼   ► which is the equivalent of all the coasting, right?

00:57:43 ◼   ► You took all the coasting that you would do in a year

00:57:45 ◼   ► and you put it in one block.

00:57:46 ◼   ► And I could do that, you could do that,

00:57:50 ◼   ► like the business would continue to run,

00:57:51 ◼   ► I could just stop things down for a while,

00:57:53 ◼   ► we stopped Cortex for a bit, right?

00:57:55 ◼   ► But I made less money.

00:57:57 ◼   ► - But that's exactly it, it's like,

00:57:59 ◼   ► when you're self-employed, I can put a very exact number

00:58:07 ◼   ► on like the opportunity cost of this summer.

00:58:10 ◼   ► And that's a thing that you just can't escape from.

00:58:15 ◼   ► And when you're coasting in an office job,

00:58:18 ◼   ► that salary still keeps coming in

00:58:20 ◼   ► and you can kind of, you can feel better about it

00:58:24 ◼   ► when you're focusing on some other project

00:58:26 ◼   ► for some other length of time.

00:58:27 ◼   ► - Like I had a busy,

00:58:29 ◼   ► I had a lot of travel this summer as well.

00:58:30 ◼   ► So I was happy for Cortexmas, right?

00:58:32 ◼   ► For that like made it easier

00:58:34 ◼   ► 'cause I put a lot of work into this show.

00:58:36 ◼   ► We both do.

00:58:37 ◼   ► And it's probably the show that I put the most time into because of the way that we

00:58:42 ◼   ► plan and the way that we edit and that kind of stuff.

00:58:45 ◼   ► But I need it to start again.

00:58:48 ◼   ► Right now, I'm at the point now where like, show needs to come back because I'm buying

00:58:53 ◼   ► a house.

00:58:56 ◼   ► Cortex just can't last forever.

00:58:59 ◼   ► My keys gonna get paid.

00:59:03 ◼   ► So this is the house that Cortex built.

00:59:05 ◼   ► is what I'm hearing right because we can't we can't keep canceling the show

00:59:08 ◼   ► we can't keep taking off forever. Yep we're actually naming it

00:59:12 ◼   ► Cortex Cottage. Fantastic I hope to see that above the door when I come and visit

00:59:18 ◼   ► of course. Cortex Cottage. A million people wrote in to tell us that

00:59:24 ◼   ► Microsoft have launched an Evernote importing tool. Yes yes. So this is a tool

00:59:32 ◼   ► written by Microsoft to look at your Evernote database I guess and import it I'm guessing

00:59:41 ◼   ► cleanly-ish into OneNote and I'm wondering if you have tried this at all.

00:59:48 ◼   ► No I haven't tried this and I received what seemed like all of the messages in the world

00:59:57 ◼   ► from people letting me know about this importer.

01:00:00 ◼   ► Which to me just seemed like one of these prime examples of

01:00:06 ◼   ► I don't think you understand what my problem is.

01:00:09 ◼   ► And while yes, I did complain about the lack of an importer,

01:00:12 ◼   ► I think I also made it pretty clear on the show

01:00:14 ◼   ► that I tried very hard to make Microsoft OneNote work for me

01:00:18 ◼   ► but its fundamental structure of notebooks with tabs

01:00:24 ◼   ► is unworkable for the way that I want to use it.

01:00:27 ◼   ► It's just too clumsy.

01:00:29 ◼   ► I tried it, but it's like, it is not designed

01:00:33 ◼   ► for hierarchies in the way that I need it to be.

01:00:36 ◼   ► So it's like, I'm very glad for lots of people

01:00:40 ◼   ► that the OneNote importer exists on the Mac.

01:00:43 ◼   ► I'm very happy for everybody,

01:00:45 ◼   ► but it is of no use to me.

01:00:48 ◼   ► What was much more useful was the feedback

01:00:52 ◼   ► that people sent with regards to Evernote about tags,

01:00:55 ◼   ► which we touched on briefly last time,

01:00:57 ◼   ► that there are different ways to think about

01:01:01 ◼   ► organizing your data in Evernote with tags

01:01:04 ◼   ► as opposed to using notebooks, which is what I did.

01:01:08 ◼   ► And at this point, I have spent a pretty considerable

01:01:13 ◼   ► amount of time reworking my Evernote system

01:01:21 ◼   ► from notebooks to tags

01:01:24 ◼   ► in a way that Evernote was clearly,

01:01:26 ◼   ► I don't wanna say grumpy with,

01:01:29 ◼   ► but it's like boy has Evernote spent a lot of time

01:01:31 ◼   ► syncing between all of my devices,

01:01:34 ◼   ► going through all of these changes.

01:01:36 ◼   ► But so yes, this is what I have mostly moved

01:01:41 ◼   ► toward at this point.

01:01:42 ◼   ► I think I'm about 80% done, I'm gonna guess,

01:01:45 ◼   ► with trying to convert everything into tags.

01:01:48 ◼   ► and it's workable as is always the frustration

01:01:53 ◼   ► like I find Evernote is just really clunky on iOS

01:01:59 ◼   ► so I have essentially had to do all of this on my computer

01:02:02 ◼   ► and I'm just using Evernote on iOS to save things

01:02:07 ◼   ► but I can't really organize things on iOS with tags

01:02:10 ◼   ► but it's like you know what, this is one of these cases

01:02:14 ◼   ► where I have to weigh the pros and cons

01:02:17 ◼   ► trying to move to a different system, what do those systems have, how do they work, versus

01:02:21 ◼   ► sticking with the way Evernote is and like making it work with tags.

01:02:26 ◼   ► And so my conclusion is, at least from playing around with it for a while, is that like yes,

01:02:31 ◼   ► the tag solution is workable, non-ideal in very many ways, but it is workable and far

01:02:38 ◼   ► less of a time investment than other things would be.

01:02:42 ◼   ► So even though I gave that huge rant about Evernote and even though I am still concerned

01:02:47 ◼   ► deeply about the future of the company, this is one of these cases where I'm going to be

01:02:52 ◼   ► sticking with it, I'm going to use tags, and you know, if the day comes when Evernote gets

01:03:00 ◼   ► shut down or acquired, which is often the same thing in the software world, like that's

01:03:06 ◼   ► future Grey's problem that is not current Grey's problem.

01:03:10 ◼   ► He can deal with that.

01:03:11 ◼   ► Yeah, exactly. I'm sure that guy has lots of time on his hands. He can fix it.

01:03:16 ◼   ► Well, he's got nothing planned right now.

01:03:18 ◼   ► Yeah, exactly. The calendar is clear in 2019 when Facebook buys Evernote.

01:03:24 ◼   ► I had spoken about my system, you know, Evernote being basically just about the holiday planning for me, right?

01:03:34 ◼   ► Now, I have taken some trips, I wasn't using Evernote at all, and I have been completely

01:03:43 ◼   ► happy with saving PDFs to Apple Notes and writing out some information about my trips

01:03:48 ◼   ► into Notes.

01:03:49 ◼   ► I have found it to be a great system, I'm very happy with it, so I'm moving away from

01:03:56 ◼   ► Evernote completely.

01:03:57 ◼   ► So you are probably one of the throngs of customers who has decided that the alternatives

01:04:03 ◼   ► are cheaper and adequate compared to Evernote.

01:04:06 ◼   ► Exactly.

01:04:07 ◼   ► Exactly.

01:04:08 ◼   ► It gives me great confidence in the future of the company.

01:04:11 ◼   ► Yeah, I'm sorry about that.

01:04:14 ◼   ► There was this article that got sent to us about the fact that they're kind of stabilizing

01:04:19 ◼   ► as a company.

01:04:20 ◼   ► Like they did this big, I think it was in the Wall Street Journal, I'll find it for

01:04:23 ◼   ► the show notes, but it seems like Evernote are making money again and they've stripped

01:04:27 ◼   ► down and they've gotten rid of a lot of those crazy benefits that we've spoken about.

01:04:32 ◼   ► they seem like that they're getting a bit they seem very confident in the in

01:04:36 ◼   ► the future of the company I remain unconfident but I'm happy that they're

01:04:41 ◼   ► confident yeah I mean I make jokes but I genuinely hope that Evernote does well

01:04:48 ◼   ► yeah cuz you're still using it to exist because I'm still here right exactly

01:04:55 ◼   ► because this particular rat has no exit from this particular ship so I really

01:05:01 ◼   ► hope this ship is doing well. We've spoken in the past about the strange ways in which

01:05:10 ◼   ► things can happen. You know, you've spoken about this in the past about videos, like

01:05:14 ◼   ► you have an idea for a video and you see it in other places. Something weird happened

01:05:20 ◼   ► with YouTube Life, the YouTube simulator game. Oh, the one we talked about on the episode

01:05:26 ◼   ► out of time to out of timer.

01:05:28 ◼   ► - And we spoke about two things.

01:05:30 ◼   ► We spoke about YouTube life,

01:05:32 ◼   ► and we spoke about PewDiePie's video about YouTube life.

01:05:36 ◼   ► The YouTube simulation game.

01:05:38 ◼   ► PewDiePie has announced that he is making

01:05:40 ◼   ► his own YouTube simulation game,

01:05:43 ◼   ► and he announced this about two days

01:05:47 ◼   ► after we published the episode,

01:05:49 ◼   ► which to make it even funnier, was recorded months ago.

01:05:56 ◼   ► That's what I like the most about this,

01:05:58 ◼   ► is we released the episode,

01:05:59 ◼   ► a couple of days later this happened,

01:06:00 ◼   ► everyone's like, "Oh, you just spoke about this."

01:06:02 ◼   ► But we recorded the show in June.

01:06:04 ◼   ► It's very weird.

01:06:06 ◼   ► But yeah, PewDiePie is making his own game,

01:06:08 ◼   ► it's called Tuba Simulator.

01:06:10 ◼   ► I'm very excited to play this

01:06:12 ◼   ► 'cause I bet it is gonna be hilarious.

01:06:14 ◼   ► - Yeah, right.

01:06:15 ◼   ► We spoke about this, but not this at all.

01:06:18 ◼   ► We were talking about a different YouTube simulator,

01:06:21 ◼   ► not PewDiePie Simulator.

01:06:22 ◼   ► Yeah, it's just a funny thing.

01:06:25 ◼   ► I think he's put out some other game before,

01:06:29 ◼   ► if I'm not mistaken.

01:06:30 ◼   ► - Yeah, he had an iOS game called Legend of the Bro Fist.

01:06:34 ◼   ► - Ah, okay, okay.

01:06:35 ◼   ► - Which was like an action adventure side-scrolling game.

01:06:39 ◼   ► - Yeah, I will be curious to see what he puts out with this

01:06:43 ◼   ► and I don't know why, but I just have a feeling

01:06:48 ◼   ► like it might be ridiculous and fun.

01:06:51 ◼   ► I'm basing this on nothing, I have no experience with this,

01:06:55 ◼   ► But I can totally imagine that after putting together

01:07:00 ◼   ► that first video that he did

01:07:02 ◼   ► where he was talking about YouTube Simulator,

01:07:04 ◼   ► which I still think is a magnificent, strange meta video.

01:07:09 ◼   ► - Yep.

01:07:10 ◼   ► - I can just imagine that this got under his skin.

01:07:14 ◼   ► Like I can see how this would happen

01:07:16 ◼   ► where he would keep thinking about like,

01:07:18 ◼   ► how would I make a YouTube Simulator?

01:07:20 ◼   ► And also if he would do any kind of

01:07:23 ◼   ► return on investment calculations, like PewDiePie making a YouTube simulator game, that's a

01:07:28 ◼   ► gold mine.

01:07:29 ◼   ► There's no way if he puts effort into it like that that's not incredibly successful.

01:07:35 ◼   ► So I can just see how it would be a thing that would be stuck in his mind as an obvious

01:07:40 ◼   ► project to do.

01:07:42 ◼   ► So I'm going to be very curious to see what this is when it comes out.

01:07:47 ◼   ► Also like this is not important and not really news but since we talk about that and I watched

01:07:51 ◼   ► that video I've been watching quite a lot of PewDiePie videos. That was one

01:07:55 ◼   ► thing that stuck out to me when I listened to the episode "Out of Time 2

01:08:00 ◼   ► Out of Timer" was I referenced in there not really watching very much PewDiePie

01:08:04 ◼   ► and since since watching that YouTube simulator one I've ended up watching

01:08:12 ◼   ► more and more of his videos. Well I bet that what happened to you is what

01:08:16 ◼   ► happened to me. I started getting them suggested to me. Exactly. And then I watched a

01:08:21 ◼   ► couple of them and then I decided the type of PewDiePie video I like, the type that I

01:08:27 ◼   ► don't like, and then I've just started cherry picking them out but I've been watching them

01:08:32 ◼   ► more and more, like a couple a week at least. And he posts like every day basically.

01:08:37 ◼   ► Yeah this is the power of the YouTube algorithm in action. This is like "hey you watched one

01:08:42 ◼   ► PewDiePie video, we're going to pick the most probable ones that you will probably like?"

01:08:48 ◼   ► That's the weird thing is everyone it suggested I loved but then when I started watching them all I didn't like them all so much

01:08:53 ◼   ► The algorithm knows better than I do

01:08:56 ◼   ► What I want to watch and what I have learned is I don't really have any interest in watching his

01:09:01 ◼   ► Videos that are about video games or him doing video game playthroughs and I never realized that he does a bunch of videos that are

01:09:08 ◼   ► Vlog like yeah, I like stuff about his life. Yeah, I think those are those are really well done

01:09:15 ◼   ► Those are interesting and it just confirms to me what I always suspect because PewDiePie ends up being

01:09:21 ◼   ► Like the butt of jokes because he is the number one

01:09:25 ◼   ► Youtuber but even even back when I didn't watch him very much

01:09:29 ◼   ► I thought like well

01:09:29 ◼   ► But you don't get to be the number one person without being good at what you're doing

01:09:33 ◼   ► even if it's not a thing that everybody likes and and I feel like just doubly confirmed in this of

01:09:39 ◼   ► Yes, of course the person who is the number one youtuber is

01:09:44 ◼   ► is good at creating engaging content.

01:09:49 ◼   ► Like he cuts together vlogs and talking about his life

01:09:55 ◼   ► or what's going on with him in a very funny way.

01:10:00 ◼   ► Like he's very good at it.

01:10:03 ◼   ► I mean he had this whole drama with trying

01:10:04 ◼   ► to get his diamond play button from YouTube.

01:10:07 ◼   ► - Those were the videos that got me sucked in.

01:10:10 ◼   ► - Yeah, those videos are hilarious.

01:10:12 ◼   ► You need to put them in the show notes, Myke.

01:10:13 ◼   ► but of him like arguing with YouTube

01:10:16 ◼   ► and he's like bragging about all of his subscribers

01:10:19 ◼   ► in this very funny way.

01:10:21 ◼   ► He is just capable of producing captivating video

01:10:26 ◼   ► even if you don't wanna watch everything that he does.

01:10:29 ◼   ► And I can see why lots of people wouldn't like him

01:10:32 ◼   ► but you don't get to be the number one person just randomly.

01:10:36 ◼   ► And lots of people always make jokes like,

01:10:38 ◼   ► oh, he's just an idiot who's making videos

01:10:42 ◼   ► about video games and just like dumb lucked his way to number one. Like I think that's

01:10:48 ◼   ► what lots of people on the outside seem to think. It's like that's not how this stuff

01:10:52 ◼   ► actually works on the inside. It's like of course he's talented. He has to be.

01:10:56 ◼   ► I mean this conversation is kind of ridiculous in the way that like two old men discover

01:11:02 ◼   ► PewDiePie. Like it's kind of ridiculous but I will say another video of his that I really

01:11:08 ◼   ► really loved was when he did a video about when there was that YouTube bug or something

01:11:14 ◼   ► that was clearing out subscribers.

01:11:15 ◼   ► Oh yes, yes.

01:11:16 ◼   ► And he lost like 27,000 and he was going crazy and like demanding his subscribers back from

01:11:22 ◼   ► YouTube.

01:11:23 ◼   ► It was brilliant.

01:11:24 ◼   ► If you don't, in case you don't know this, like you might not know, but PewDiePie has

01:11:29 ◼   ► 47,625,000 subscribers.

01:11:35 ◼   ► That's why 27,000 going missing is really funny.

01:11:39 ◼   ► Exactly.

01:11:40 ◼   ► Because he got really upset about it in the video, right?

01:11:44 ◼   ► His stuff is weird in places, but there is a lot to be enjoyed in there.

01:11:50 ◼   ► Do you know what?

01:11:51 ◼   ► I think he knows this, right?

01:11:52 ◼   ► I mean, again, obviously he does.

01:11:55 ◼   ► He's super smart.

01:11:56 ◼   ► He makes different kinds of videos for different people.

01:11:58 ◼   ► Yeah, it's a really interesting model.

01:12:02 ◼   ► I see a lot of channels that try to do a bunch of different videos and I think that they often don't work

01:12:06 ◼   ► but it seems like he's able to pull it off really well to have very different styles of videos

01:12:13 ◼   ► and to have them mixed together on his channel in a seamless kind of way where it's...

01:12:18 ◼   ► And maybe this is again the strength of the YouTube algorithm, that the YouTube algorithm seems to know

01:12:24 ◼   ► that I'm not super interested in watching him play video games and doesn't seem to suggest those videos to me very much

01:12:29 ◼   ► and mostly suggests the more vlog-like videos to me.

01:12:32 ◼   ► This guy, PewDiePie, he's got really good YouTube videos, you should go check him out.

01:12:36 ◼   ► Let's send him some Cortex love, alright?

01:12:38 ◼   ► Yeah, exactly.

01:12:39 ◼   ► Help give this guy a good kickstart.

01:12:41 ◼   ► Yeah, this is the part where we like slowly and awkwardly spell out his name for people.

01:12:47 ◼   ► That's what we should do.

01:12:48 ◼   ► P-E-W-D-I-E-P-I-E. There you go. PewDiePie, go check him out.

01:12:55 ◼   ► Yeah, kid's really talented.

01:12:57 ◼   ► Yep, he's gonna go places.

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01:14:45 ◼   ► Grey, let's do a Caretex question.

01:14:49 ◼   ► Ooh, we have a CareTec question.

01:14:51 ◼   ► No, it's CareTex.

01:14:53 ◼   ► Isn't that what I said?

01:14:54 ◼   ► No. You say it with a K at the end.

01:14:56 ◼   ► Yeah, CareTec.

01:14:58 ◼   ► No, that's CoreTec. That's the other one.

01:15:00 ◼   ► Is that the other one?

01:15:01 ◼   ► That's the technology one.

01:15:03 ◼   ► Caretechs is the caring one.

01:15:05 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:15:06 ◼   ► Caretech.

01:15:07 ◼   ► No.

01:15:08 ◼   ► Let's do it.

01:15:09 ◼   ► Okay.

01:15:10 ◼   ► I think, should we use it, should we get people to send these in with the hashtag Caretechs?

01:15:13 ◼   ► No, Myke.

01:15:14 ◼   ► No, don't do this, Myke.

01:15:15 ◼   ► You're trying to get this too complicated.

01:15:17 ◼   ► I'm trying to make this way too complicated.

01:15:19 ◼   ► Let's just do #AskCortex and for a second I totally forgot what it is.

01:15:28 ◼   ► I'm just a bit rusty.

01:15:30 ◼   ► Yup, it's been a while. You can remember all the names you give, like Cortexmas. Anything else and it all goes out the window.

01:15:37 ◼   ► Evercore is my favorite elephant butt.

01:15:39 ◼   ► Cole wrote in with his #CareTex question. No, I shouldn't do that.

01:15:44 ◼   ► No, don't mind, no, Myke, you're gonna mess the people up.

01:15:47 ◼   ► I read it wrong.

01:15:48 ◼   ► Cole wrote in and said, "I'm currently working on some side projects, but I'm not making any money from them.

01:15:53 ◼   ► I just graduated from college, but my degree doesn't relate to what I am doing with my side stuff.

01:15:59 ◼   ► Should I go and get a high paying job that relates to my degree then quit when I'm able to make money from my side projects

01:16:06 ◼   ► Or should I just get a simple job at McDonald's to get me through and work on my side stuff?

01:16:11 ◼   ► It's a very interesting question

01:16:16 ◼   ► Because the answer is is kind of unclear

01:16:21 ◼   ► So to kind of boil this down to the essence

01:16:25 ◼   ► That's right. Carl has a thing that he likes to do. That thing has nothing at all to do

01:16:29 ◼   ► with the degree that he's just spent years getting. That degree can get him a good job,

01:16:36 ◼   ► but it's not what he wants to do. What he wants to do is what he's doing on the side.

01:16:39 ◼   ► So do you ever get a high paying job, which probably also means high stress and time job,

01:16:45 ◼   ► or get a simple job so you haven't got anything to worry about and then just keep working

01:16:49 ◼   ► on your side stuff?

01:16:54 ◼   ► That's how I look at this question because there's some trade-offs here you know your

01:16:58 ◼   ► stress and time and money there are big factors in these two and it's deciding where you want

01:17:04 ◼   ► to sit on either side of those problems.

01:17:07 ◼   ► Yeah what are you going to do while you're supporting yourself working on your side projects?

01:17:18 ◼   ► Yeah, I actually at one point sort of faced this question, not in quite the same way,

01:17:27 ◼   ► but we mentioned a couple shows ago about how I was a teacher and then took a break

01:17:33 ◼   ► for a while while I was trying to get side stuff spun up.

01:17:35 ◼   ► It didn't work out the first time and then I had to go back to teaching.

01:17:40 ◼   ► But at that point my wife and I did have a few discussions about essentially this, like

01:17:46 ◼   ► "We have no money, we need some money, but do we,

01:17:50 ◼   ► like should I just get a simple job

01:17:53 ◼   ► or should I go back into teaching?

01:17:55 ◼   ► Like which way should I go about it?"

01:17:56 ◼   ► And I went back into teaching

01:18:00 ◼   ► and I feel like my gut response,

01:18:03 ◼   ► as always is a little bit tricky

01:18:04 ◼   ► when you don't know the exact details,

01:18:06 ◼   ► like what is the college degree?

01:18:08 ◼   ► What are the side projects?

01:18:10 ◼   ► But my gut feeling is I would say,

01:18:14 ◼   ► go for the high paying job that relates to the degree.

01:18:18 ◼   ► And I have a couple reasons for this.

01:18:22 ◼   ► The first is I think it's probably easy to underestimate

01:18:28 ◼   ► how taxing like a simple job would be.

01:18:34 ◼   ► I think it's easy to think like,

01:18:39 ◼   ► "Oh, it's a thing that's not necessarily

01:18:42 ◼   ► going to take a lot of my mental time.

01:18:45 ◼   ► But I think any job is gonna be big blocks out of your life.

01:18:50 ◼   ► - Yeah, but if you're working in a high stress job,

01:18:55 ◼   ► you're probably taking work home with you in your brain.

01:18:58 ◼   ► If you're working in McDonald's, I don't know if you do that.

01:19:01 ◼   ► - Yeah, that is definitely the advantage of McDonald's.

01:19:05 ◼   ► - There might still be things that play on your mind, right?

01:19:08 ◼   ► Like company politics are still there.

01:19:10 ◼   ► But I don't think you're going home and worrying about the deadline on the project.

01:19:15 ◼   ► Yeah, that is without a doubt true.

01:19:18 ◼   ► The advantage of a simple job is that you leave the simple job at work.

01:19:23 ◼   ► And everyone I know who has worked those kind of jobs has said that is the best part.

01:19:28 ◼   ► You work as barista at Starbucks and when you come home, that's it.

01:19:32 ◼   ► It's just over.

01:19:33 ◼   ► You don't have to keep thinking about it.

01:19:35 ◼   ► And your time is probably fixed as well.

01:19:38 ◼   ► You don't stay late to get the project done so much,

01:19:40 ◼   ► I don't think.

01:19:41 ◼   ► - Yeah, you don't, that is also true.

01:19:43 ◼   ► That is also true.

01:19:44 ◼   ► The other thing though,

01:19:47 ◼   ► again, it's not a simple thing to decide between,

01:19:52 ◼   ► but my feeling about the high-paying job is

01:19:55 ◼   ► I feel like there are more potential advantages there.

01:20:01 ◼   ► One of which is possibly you can save more money

01:20:07 ◼   ► so that you can leave it with a bit of buffer sooner

01:20:10 ◼   ► if one of the projects seems like it's paying off,

01:20:12 ◼   ► one of your side projects.

01:20:14 ◼   ► The other thing is, I also just,

01:20:18 ◼   ► without knowing the details of the job,

01:20:20 ◼   ► I just, I think that there is the possibility

01:20:24 ◼   ► at a more complicated job of picking up skills

01:20:29 ◼   ► that might be useful in the future.

01:20:31 ◼   ► Whereas at a simple job,

01:20:32 ◼   ► that is probably not going to happen.

01:20:36 ◼   ► So I don't know, my gut feeling would be,

01:20:38 ◼   ► take the high paying job and I would do side projects

01:20:44 ◼   ► in the morning with the best part of your brain

01:20:48 ◼   ► and then go to that job.

01:20:51 ◼   ► That's what I would think.

01:20:51 ◼   ► But it feels like Myke, you're on the other side of this.

01:20:54 ◼   ► - I feel like I definitely was

01:20:56 ◼   ► until you mentioned the skills part.

01:20:58 ◼   ► That's a really good point

01:21:00 ◼   ► that I hadn't properly considered.

01:21:02 ◼   ► 'Cause when I think about my abilities

01:21:04 ◼   ► to talk to and deal with businesses now

01:21:07 ◼   ► that came from working in a corporation.

01:21:10 ◼   ► I wouldn't know the language to use,

01:21:12 ◼   ► the terminology to use.

01:21:13 ◼   ► I wouldn't know any of that stuff.

01:21:15 ◼   ► I could take a good stab at it.

01:21:17 ◼   ► The reason that I could probably live with it

01:21:18 ◼   ► in a corporation was because I had a good handle

01:21:22 ◼   ► on just communicating with people anyway.

01:21:25 ◼   ► But it's more forgivable if I get something wrong

01:21:27 ◼   ► whilst in a company because I might just upset someone

01:21:30 ◼   ► but whatever, but if I upset someone

01:21:32 ◼   ► or do something wrong in the business,

01:21:35 ◼   ► then that person might never work with me again.

01:21:37 ◼   ► - Exactly.

01:21:37 ◼   ► - There are worse consequences.

01:21:39 ◼   ► - Exactly, and this is a skill that at least

01:21:43 ◼   ► in my observation of your working life

01:21:47 ◼   ► is an incredibly valuable skill that you have.

01:21:50 ◼   ► - Yeah.

01:21:51 ◼   ► - That even though the listeners here,

01:21:55 ◼   ► the public side of you, which is on the podcast,

01:21:58 ◼   ► like an enormous amount of stuff is behind the scenes stuff

01:22:01 ◼   ► working with sponsors, working with companies

01:22:03 ◼   ► and you do have these skills of talking to companies

01:22:08 ◼   ► that to me seem like magic incantations.

01:22:13 ◼   ► You know the words to say to make things easier

01:22:17 ◼   ► for the person on the other end or to help get stuff done.

01:22:20 ◼   ► And that's an example of a skill that you learned on the job

01:22:24 ◼   ► and so I mean look, the other flip side of this

01:22:30 ◼   ► that is the unpleasant thing to think about

01:22:33 ◼   ► is also the possibility of failure.

01:22:36 ◼   ► Side projects might never go anywhere.

01:22:40 ◼   ► If you have a bunch of side projects,

01:22:42 ◼   ► you're increasing your odds of success,

01:22:45 ◼   ► but you can just be unlucky

01:22:47 ◼   ► and have a string of side projects

01:22:49 ◼   ► and none of them ever pans out.

01:22:51 ◼   ► - Or the ones that you're working on right now won't work.

01:22:54 ◼   ► There's something later that will,

01:22:57 ◼   ► but you'll be more demoralized

01:22:58 ◼   ► when you feel like you've wasted your time

01:23:00 ◼   ► of a simple job.

01:23:01 ◼   ► - That's a possibility as well.

01:23:04 ◼   ► So I view the like risk reward balance here

01:23:09 ◼   ► that the high paying job related to the degree

01:23:14 ◼   ► is the way that I would go.

01:23:16 ◼   ► You can possibly marshal more resources,

01:23:20 ◼   ► save more money as you're going along.

01:23:23 ◼   ► In the high paying job, it is more probable

01:23:26 ◼   ► that you will learn skills that might be useful later on

01:23:31 ◼   ► or that you'll simply in the process of doing that

01:23:35 ◼   ► come across something.

01:23:38 ◼   ► And actually thinking about this,

01:23:40 ◼   ► just like you had the skill of talking with businesses.

01:23:45 ◼   ► I think when I was working as a teacher,

01:23:49 ◼   ► like I definitely refined my ability of explaining things

01:23:53 ◼   ► to people over time. - Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:23:55 ◼   ► You can teach people.

01:23:57 ◼   ► - Like that's a thing that I got better at by doing that.

01:24:01 ◼   ► And if I had taken a job as a barista

01:24:05 ◼   ► for those last two years when I was doing side projects

01:24:09 ◼   ► that eventually turned into YouTube,

01:24:11 ◼   ► I think I'm not sure it would have been the same effect.

01:24:15 ◼   ► - You might have made some really good coffee videos though.

01:24:18 ◼   ► - I might have made some really good coffee videos.

01:24:20 ◼   ► This is true.

01:24:21 ◼   ► - There is one thing about the money though.

01:24:23 ◼   ► - Hmm?

01:24:24 ◼   ► The more money you make from your job, the more money you have to make from the side

01:24:30 ◼   ► projects.

01:24:31 ◼   ► This is the main downside is not only that but there's a certain amount of I'm going

01:24:39 ◼   ► to say possibility of complacency with the high paying job that you're right you your

01:24:46 ◼   ► side projects have to be more successful before you feel like you're going to want to leave

01:24:51 ◼   ► them because we're again getting into loss aversion territory here.

01:24:55 ◼   ► If you have a good salary and you have a side project that starts making money, you're going

01:25:01 ◼   ► to be hesitant to give up that good salary to dedicate more time to the side project.

01:25:06 ◼   ► And as a person who is clearly very motivated, a simple job might drive you crazy.

01:25:14 ◼   ► It is also very possible that you will go crazy in a simple job.

01:25:17 ◼   ► Carl, I don't think we have a good answer for you.

01:25:20 ◼   ► I think I do have a good answer and that answer is to take the high paying job.

01:25:23 ◼   ► I think risk rewarding it, thinking about it, thinking about the possible outcomes.

01:25:27 ◼   ► I feel very strongly that my advice is the high paying job.

01:25:30 ◼   ► Well I'll refine it and say clear.

01:25:32 ◼   ► I don't think the answer is clear.

01:25:33 ◼   ► I think there's a lot of caveats.

01:25:36 ◼   ► I think I'm leaning towards the only thing I know, right?

01:25:40 ◼   ► Which is I didn't have a very high paying job but it was a professional position.

01:25:44 ◼   ► It was a high stress job.

01:25:46 ◼   ► There are a lot of problems with that.

01:25:47 ◼   ► You need to go into this job, if you take it, setting some boundaries for yourself about

01:25:54 ◼   ► how long you're willing to work, about how much you're going to let it affect your life,

01:25:58 ◼   ► and you need to try and keep those things in clear mind.

01:26:02 ◼   ► Also, if you're starting the job, save immediately.

01:26:08 ◼   ► Cut down the amount of money that you're living on immediately.

01:26:14 ◼   ► Work out the minimum amount and live to that.

01:26:16 ◼   ► I think both me and Grey didn't do this and it made it harder for us.

01:26:20 ◼   ► But if you're starting from step zero, from college money, live frugally.

01:26:28 ◼   ► You can save money so you'll be able to support yourself later and then you won't need to

01:26:33 ◼   ► make as much money from the side roles.

01:26:35 ◼   ► I give this advice to anyone who is in college right now, getting ready to take their first

01:26:40 ◼   ► job but they have this thing that they want to do.

01:26:44 ◼   ► Save money.

01:26:46 ◼   ► it yes and and keep living cheaply yeah like you are more used to that and it is

01:26:55 ◼   ► it is easier to just continue definitely definitely do that good luck Cole good

01:27:02 ◼   ► luck Cole take the high paying job

01:27:06 ◼   ► forget that typing