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00:00:00   So Myke, since I was unable to dump one of my LG monitors on you,

00:00:05   have you actually set up your PC gaming monitor with your iPad yet?

00:00:11   I'm very curious about this setup and I need to hear from you what's going on.

00:00:15   I'm not gonna lie, I was a little nervous. I saw you last week and I was a little concerned that

00:00:19   you might bring a big bag.

00:00:20   Here you go, this is what you wanted.

00:00:24   Listen, there's an LG monitor.

00:00:26   Yeah, with my name on it.

00:00:28   right within arm's reach of me that I look at and I resent every day for being a disgusting

00:00:35   piece of technology. And I would just love to gift it to you, Myke.

00:00:38   I know you would. I took a trip down to Dongle Town to make this work because I don't know

00:00:45   why I thought I had a USB-C monitor, it's just something in my brain, but my monitor

00:00:50   because it's in PC land, it has HDMI on one side and like some friggin' VGA nonsense,

00:00:56   I don't even know what it is.

00:00:57   One of those big things with the pins on it, right?

00:01:00   Like we have to screw it in.

00:01:01   - Yeah, yeah, that's VGA.

00:01:03   If you're giving a PowerPoint presentation to a class,

00:01:05   you're gonna need a VGA input.

00:01:07   That's just required.

00:01:09   - I can't tell you why exactly

00:01:10   that's how I have my monitor connected to my PC,

00:01:12   which is what came in the box,

00:01:14   so that's just how it's connected.

00:01:15   And I now await the feedback that will come at me

00:01:19   for why I should or shouldn't be doing that.

00:01:22   But as I've always said,

00:01:23   and it's always been like a thing in the back of my mind,

00:01:26   The monitor that I have was just what I could get,

00:01:29   like for a decent price on Prime.

00:01:31   Like I've always wanted to change this monitor,

00:01:33   but I've yet to really sit down and like look into it.

00:01:36   I think I have my eye on something,

00:01:38   one of the Asus Predator monitors or something it's called,

00:01:41   but I've yet to do it.

00:01:42   It has RGB in it naturally,

00:01:45   but I have some LG ultra wide monitor.

00:01:49   I like the ultra wide monitor,

00:01:50   especially for game streaming,

00:01:52   because you can have like a regular window size

00:01:54   and then just more windows on the side of it, right?

00:01:56   Like you don't need to fill the complete ultra-wide-ness.

00:01:58   But anyway-- - Wait, is it more than 16.9?

00:02:01   I don't know what ultra-wide is.

00:02:02   - Yeah, yeah, I couldn't even tell you what the ratio is,

00:02:05   but it's super wide and not very tall.

00:02:08   - So it's like 3.27, something like that?

00:02:11   - Let's just say yes.

00:02:12   But it's a strange monitor.

00:02:15   But I actually quite like the ultra-wide stuff.

00:02:18   But anyway, so I grabbed a bunch of dongles

00:02:21   and I connected it via HDMI via a USB-C

00:02:25   dongle that I have to my iPad.

00:02:27   And it worked immediately,

00:02:29   which I was surprised about.

00:02:30   Like as soon as I plugged it

00:02:31   into my iPad Pro, the USB-C port,

00:02:33   the monitor came on,

00:02:34   picture was there, crystal clear.

00:02:36   It looked fantastic.

00:02:37   And just like when I used

00:02:40   the mouse on my iPad with iPad OS 13

00:02:43   for the first time a few weeks ago,

00:02:44   it felt kind of strange at first,

00:02:46   like something was fundamentally broken

00:02:48   in what I was doing,

00:02:49   because it's not normal,

00:02:51   but it totally works, it works perfectly.

00:02:55   My main frustration is you have to leave the iPad on.

00:03:00   - Oh.

00:03:00   - You can't turn the iPad off

00:03:02   'cause that just turns the screen off,

00:03:03   and when the screen's off, the connection's gone.

00:03:06   - Oh, okay, so when you lock your iPad,

00:03:09   you're just locking the computer.

00:03:10   - You lock in the computer, you don't see anything.

00:03:12   All it's doing is mirroring, right?

00:03:15   Unless you have an application

00:03:17   that is using the second screen API,

00:03:21   But then you need both screens.

00:03:22   They're then showing different things.

00:03:24   So there is an API to allow you to show something

00:03:28   different on a monitor, and then also not be pillar boxed.

00:03:32   You don't have the big black bars down the side

00:03:34   where it's showing you the iPad resolution on the monitor.

00:03:37   If you use the second screen API,

00:03:38   you can actually take up more of the screen real estate.

00:03:40   You treat it like a real monitor.

00:03:42   But let's get some games to do this.

00:03:44   - Okay, I was gonna say, wait a second.

00:03:45   So this is the second screen thing.

00:03:47   I never really thought about this,

00:03:48   but this is like when Keynote displays something different

00:03:53   on the projected monitor versus what you see

00:03:56   as the presenter.

00:03:57   - Yeah, there is an API in iPadOS and iOS

00:04:00   that will allow an app to do this.

00:04:01   Like some of the mind mapping applications, for example,

00:04:05   I think MindNode is the one that has it,

00:04:08   will show something different on the monitor

00:04:10   and you can be working on it

00:04:11   and it will show you like a preview

00:04:13   and then overview of the entire mind map or something.

00:04:15   - Yeah, I just never really thought,

00:04:17   - Yeah, GoodNotes does a similar thing

00:04:19   where you can have a different version

00:04:22   that's being projected out than what you're looking at.

00:04:24   Again, for a teacher, so you can have a different thing

00:04:27   that the students are seeing

00:04:28   versus what you were seeing.

00:04:30   Huh, I never really thought about that as a mode,

00:04:34   but I guess now it does matter that some apps can do this

00:04:38   if you're using an external monitor as a computer monitor.

00:04:42   Huh, huh.

00:04:44   - So there are advantages and disadvantages

00:04:46   depending on how you want to use it, right?

00:04:47   Because then, you know, you could in theory then

00:04:49   just put the iPad like on a stand in front of you

00:04:51   and then you have two screens

00:04:52   and they're showing different things.

00:04:54   But if you're just using it regularly,

00:04:55   it's just gonna mirror.

00:04:57   Which makes like any mirroring, right?

00:04:59   Like if you've ever plugged a laptop into a TV,

00:05:02   if you close the laptop, it kills the connection, right?

00:05:05   'Cause the laptop's not on anymore

00:05:07   unless you like hack around it a little bit.

00:05:10   So, you know, what I would do is

00:05:12   just turn the brightness all the way down,

00:05:13   less distracting, put the iPad in a stand or whatever, and then just let it go, let

00:05:17   it do its thing.

00:05:18   You need a wedding veil for the iPad.

00:05:22   You can lift it up when you want to use the second screen, and then you can pull it down

00:05:27   for when you don't want to see the mirrored screen, because it's just distractingly pointless.

00:05:31   So it'd be a black wedding veil.

00:05:33   iPad wasn't pure on that wedding day.

00:05:35   No, oh my god.

00:05:36   I can see the benefits of this for me from an accessibility standpoint.

00:05:41   In the same way, same thing as the mouse, right?

00:05:43   Like it is not elegant, but it is incredibly functional.

00:05:47   So I can have a bigger screen if I want it, right?

00:05:52   So the pillar box, right, which I said, so pillar box is like the, it's like letter

00:05:56   boxings, you know, you watch a movie, you got like black bars at the top and the bottom.

00:06:00   This is the same, but they're on the sides because the iPad screen is kind of the resolution

00:06:05   more rectangular than typical screens tend to be.

00:06:07   Right, it's not ultra wide.

00:06:08   It's not ultra wide, that's for sure.

00:06:11   uh... so it looked kind of hilarious on the ultra wide it just filled the middle portion of the screen

00:06:15   and there's just massive black bars like about the same width of the iPad on either side

00:06:20   but i can position it

00:06:22   in a much more flexibly

00:06:24   i can put it wherever i want from a high perspective i can have it

00:06:27   further away from me

00:06:29   if i wanted to and if i'm going to be using a mouse a lot

00:06:32   which i think i am this would

00:06:34   totally work for me so

00:06:36   i'm thinking about it more

00:06:38   seriously now that I would want to use a nice big monitor for my iPad setup,

00:06:44   especially the more I'm using it with a mouse.

00:06:46   I think it just makes sense really in a way.

00:06:50   Yeah, this seems to me like it's just obviously your future

00:06:53   working setup for everything that can be done this way.

00:06:59   OK, here's a strange question.

00:07:00   The mouse, if you have an iPad app where you've lifted the iPad veil and so

00:07:06   at two different screens. Can the mouse move between the two screens?

00:07:12   In those situations you can't interact with what's being shown on the second screen I think.

00:07:17   Okay so the second screen is presentation only.

00:07:21   Yeah I think it's presentation only. And like things that you do on the iPad would reflect

00:07:26   on the top screen but I don't think it treats it like... because it couldn't, right? Because you

00:07:32   you can't touch the external display.

00:07:35   - Right, what I'm trying to get thinking here is,

00:07:38   is there a way that you could get a different app

00:07:40   on that second screen?

00:07:41   I wonder if in the future,

00:07:43   we're gonna have dual monitor support for iPad OS.

00:07:46   - I think it is, right?

00:07:47   'Cause there's that project sidecar thing, right?

00:07:50   I think they're building some of the blocks in place,

00:07:52   which is where you can use your iPad

00:07:54   as a second display for a Mac,

00:07:56   where you can take a Mac window and send it to the iPad.

00:07:59   All of that kind of stuff feels like,

00:08:01   all right, so that's step one,

00:08:02   and then maybe step two is like the other way around.

00:08:05   So I can take something from my iPad

00:08:06   and put it somewhere else,

00:08:07   or I could have an external monitor

00:08:09   and just use it wirelessly if I want.

00:08:11   Like it feels like all of this technology

00:08:14   could eventually all start to come together

00:08:16   if it all works out.

00:08:17   - Yeah, that is a very interesting setup.

00:08:20   But I think this is how you're using a computer

00:08:22   in the future.

00:08:23   - It is probably the most cortex setup of all time.

00:08:27   It is incredibly hacky, pointless for most people,

00:08:32   but would be really useful for people just like me and you.

00:08:36   Right, because it's like, oh, why?

00:08:40   Like, oh, 'cause you wanna use your iPad

00:08:42   more in interesting and weird ways,

00:08:43   and it's ergonomically comfortable.

00:08:46   It's just like, if it automatically time tracked

00:08:49   every time you plugged the HDMI cable in, it'd be done.

00:08:53   - Yeah, I'm interested just to, I'm thinking about,

00:08:56   again, because at some point in the future,

00:08:57   I need to decide what my new office setup

00:09:00   is going to look like once I find another place

00:09:03   and everything.

00:09:04   So I'm just quite curious into,

00:09:06   oh, what's everybody doing that's different

00:09:09   and interesting with their office setups?

00:09:11   - I think what would be good for you in that situation

00:09:14   is like some kind of adaptable and adjustable

00:09:17   from a high perspective workstation

00:09:19   that you could plug either your laptop or your iPad into

00:09:22   depending on the mode that you're in.

00:09:24   'Cause you only need one cable for all of it, right?

00:09:26   And you can have a mouse and a keyboard

00:09:28   and all that kind of stuff running into a USB-C dongle,

00:09:30   and it will work with both the iPad or the Mac.

00:09:34   - Yeah, or moving just thinking,

00:09:36   going back to the very early episodes of Cortex,

00:09:39   when I showed you that setup that I had,

00:09:41   which was just an iPad on a desk with a keyboard,

00:09:44   it's like, oh, that's interesting.

00:09:46   It's interesting to revisit

00:09:50   if I can simply get a bigger writing screen,

00:09:53   and the addition of a mouse,

00:09:55   because the way I write is a little bit different

00:09:57   than I used to back then,

00:09:58   where I'm moving around parts of a document more,

00:10:02   so I would want to use something like a mouse now

00:10:04   much more than I would have needed to in the past.

00:10:08   So it's just interesting to think of as,

00:10:10   oh, maybe this is a potential option

00:10:13   for the way something could work.

00:10:16   Maybe I could plug an iPad into that new display

00:10:20   that Apple's selling.

00:10:21   I wonder if it's gonna work that way.

00:10:22   - It is unknown right now if it will work.

00:10:26   - I think that would be the best use for that.

00:10:28   - But in theory, it can.

00:10:30   The iPad Pro can output 5K over USB-C,

00:10:33   is something that Apple has told us.

00:10:36   But they have yet to release a product that can support it.

00:10:39   Or, so there's been an update

00:10:41   to your favorite OG monitor, right?

00:10:43   I don't know if you knew that.

00:10:45   They've updated it.

00:10:46   - Great, I'll be sure to buy that upgrade immediately.

00:10:48   - And it has a bunch of additional features

00:10:50   and people seem not excited about it.

00:10:53   But you can plug the iPad into it this time

00:10:55   because it's USB-C and not Thunderbolt 3.

00:10:58   But it will only output 4K, it won't output 5K.

00:11:01   - Is Apple selling those LG screens on their website?

00:11:05   - Yes, Apple have even, they create like support pages

00:11:09   for them too.

00:11:10   They have webcams in them this time,

00:11:11   which is something I didn't have before.

00:11:14   - Yeah, like I'm still holding out for a cheaper version

00:11:18   of their new monitor.

00:11:20   everybody is I don't think it's coming. This is why if they're selling the LG monitors

00:11:25   on their website, I think that that hope is dead. That it's a stake right through the

00:11:30   heart of a cheaper monitor from Apple, because they wouldn't sell those LG things on their

00:11:35   site if they were going to have their own cheaper monitor. In theory, though, like that

00:11:38   pro display, that's still months and months away from from shipping months like towards

00:11:46   the end of the year, maybe next year, but towards the end of the year before that thing

00:11:49   ships and even if Apple did do their own display, it would still be more expensive than the

00:11:56   OG display.

00:11:57   Okay, you're giving me a little bit of hope, Myke.

00:11:59   I don't know if I think that they will do it.

00:12:03   I think that they should do it.

00:12:04   I really do.

00:12:05   I think that Apple should have something that they make themselves which is better than

00:12:10   the OG and not $70 million thousand dollars, which is the actual confirmed price of the

00:12:17   Pro Display XDR.

00:12:19   But yeah.

00:12:21   - That's with the nano screen upgrade.

00:12:23   - Yeah.

00:12:24   That's all we really want, right?

00:12:25   Just like the matte screen for the iPad.

00:12:27   - Yeah, that's all we want.

00:12:29   'Cause you are now optimally,

00:12:34   ergonomically comfortable using iOS.

00:12:37   Like this is the dream, isn't it?

00:12:38   - I have yet to work out exactly how I'm going

00:12:41   to put all of this stuff into action.

00:12:44   So like I'm still using my iPad a lot of the time

00:12:47   in the standard I use, but now I need to decide like,

00:12:50   all right, do I actually now want to use it in a monitor?

00:12:52   And if I do, I need to change some stuff in the office,

00:12:54   which is what I've been wanting to do anyway.

00:12:57   But that might mean, for example, all right,

00:12:58   maybe I get a good monitor and put it on an arm,

00:13:02   which I can move up and down, right,

00:13:04   and then, you know, and kind of like,

00:13:06   and put it all on the PC desk

00:13:08   and have that all work together.

00:13:09   But I just haven't worked out exactly how I want

00:13:12   that stuff to look yet.

00:13:14   But I do now have a better understanding

00:13:16   at the building blocks that are available to me.

00:13:19   - I have an LG monitor with an arm,

00:13:21   an arm that you can clamp onto the desk.

00:13:23   I can throw that in. - Yeah, no, I'm sure you do.

00:13:25   Yeah, I have no doubt that you do,

00:13:26   but I also wanna get the best gaming monitor,

00:13:29   or a better gaming monitor,

00:13:30   which that thing probably is not.

00:13:33   - Okay, all right.

00:13:34   - Thanks for the offer, though.

00:13:36   - I'll keep thinking about how I can sweeten this deal.

00:13:39   - Okay, you do that.

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00:14:47   the Cortex Upgrade crossover that everybody looks forward to every year where we play

00:14:51   a text adventure. This will be our fourth text adventure now. We are playing an 80s

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00:16:14   And as always, Myke puts in an inhuman amount of effort

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00:17:52   Thank you very much members. Now for the trailer.

00:17:55   Oh no we're gonna play at the end. Do you want to play at the end?

00:17:57   Oh!

00:17:58   We can play it now or we can play at the end.

00:17:59   No no! Make them wait until the end Myke.

00:18:01   Yeah make them wait until the end.

00:18:02   Make them wait until the end. My mistake.

00:18:03   Okay.

00:18:04   Should we do some #AskCortex questions?

00:18:06   Let's.

00:18:07   Alright let's start off with a question from Leafy.

00:18:09   Leafy would like to know, "Do you use or play with any fidget toys or gadgets while working, thinking or writing scripts?"

00:18:17   You seem like a fidgeter, Myke.

00:18:19   Oh, I am. Oh boy.

00:18:21   So, I want to give you a rundown. This is stuff that I do

00:18:23   Whoa, okay.

00:18:25   whilst recording. This isn't, like, I'm doing this all the time.

00:18:27   Okay.

00:18:29   So right now I have a pad in front of me and a bunch of pens

00:18:31   and so I'll be sitting there and doodling.

00:18:33   I do this the most during Cortex

00:18:35   because we record for a long time

00:18:37   and I try and get rid of all distractions

00:18:39   so I'll play with some pens.

00:18:41   You remember I used to do coloring when we record?

00:18:43   Similar kind of deal.

00:18:45   - The account says a fidget though.

00:18:47   - I'm not done.

00:18:48   - This is, okay.

00:18:48   - This is just part one.

00:18:49   - Okay, we're just setting the stage.

00:18:52   - Yes, so I have various things on my desk

00:18:55   that I will fidget with.

00:18:56   One at the moment is like a broken piece of a pen.

00:19:00   I have like this part of a fountain pen

00:19:02   that's broken in half and I pick that up

00:19:03   and just roll it around in my hands a lot,

00:19:05   I don't know why.

00:19:06   I have a metal fidget spinner,

00:19:09   which I'll spin for you now,

00:19:11   but you don't really get anything from that,

00:19:12   but like I'm spinning it now.

00:19:14   I just dropped it, so I have to edit out a lot of me dropping things.

00:19:19   This is something that I have to deal with a lot.

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00:19:27   That challenge coin is very chunky.

00:19:29   I imagine if you drop it, it's quite loud to edit out.

00:19:33   That is one of the louder things that I have to edit out.

00:19:36   I have a, you know those sim removal tools?

00:19:40   You mean the little paperclip kind of thing?

00:19:43   Yeah.

00:19:44   of those with like a curing tied to it which is like one of those string curing things

00:19:49   in it. Like a little charm, you might have seen these people put them on their phones

00:19:52   and stuff. And it's of the hammer that...

00:19:54   I don't know what this is but it sounds disgusting.

00:19:56   I don't know why you'd think that. But it's of the hammer that Ramona uses in Scott Pilgrim,

00:20:03   that's number one. I have a couple of badges, just like enamel badges, and I also have the

00:20:08   fidget cube.

00:20:09   Okay. And all of this stuff is just piled around you while you're recording shows?

00:20:13   Not piled, it's just lovingly placed on the desk.

00:20:16   In a semicircle?

00:20:17   Oh, I also have a tungsten, like a tungsten cylinder that I try not to play around with

00:20:23   because if I drop this I would 100% break something, including myself,

00:20:27   but that's another thing that I have on the desk.

00:20:29   Okay.

00:20:30   I have lots of stuff because I need to focus and these are the things that help me focus.

00:20:39   I guess I've always imagined you just calmly, pensively coloring while we're recording the shows.

00:20:49   Just, you know, filling in the wings of a butterfly or whatever it is you do.

00:20:55   Doodling. There's a lot of doodling.

00:20:57   Okay. I didn't really think about it as there's a semicircle of objects around you

00:21:03   that you're rotating between picking up and putting down for your fidgeting.

00:21:07   and then adding out the inevitable sounds of me dropping them.

00:21:10   Right. Whatever works for you. There's no judgment here, but there's just much more

00:21:15   than I was expecting. There's much more than I was expecting.

00:21:18   I'm gonna guess you have nothing.

00:21:19   Well, there's the thing that doesn't count, which is when I'm working on a script, I do find it

00:21:28   helpful to pace, but I don't think that counts as a sort of fidget. That's just, it's like a helpful

00:21:34   way to think. In general, no. I don't own anything that's specifically for fidgeting,

00:21:42   but particularly in situations where I'm talking to people, like sometimes on the podcast,

00:21:48   but very often in real life, I will fidget a lot with the buttons on the phone, particularly

00:21:55   the mute switch or the silence ring switch, because flipping that back and forth gives

00:22:00   gives you the happy little tactile feedback, both in terms of the switch itself and the

00:22:04   phone vibrate slightly.

00:22:06   And so sometimes when I'm talking to someone, I will find myself flipping that switch back

00:22:10   and forth, back and forth.

00:22:12   Or the thing that I have trained myself out of after Apple introduced that feature where

00:22:16   if you press the one button five times, it lets off the emergency and starts calling

00:22:20   the police, which again, I didn't quite realize how often I'm doing that while recording a

00:22:26   podcast is just like pressing that button.

00:22:28   But that's a habit I train myself out of relatively quickly, because boy is that some

00:22:32   negative feedback of "press this button five times and there's a terrifying alarm!"

00:22:36   So in general, I don't, but I'm not completely free of this sort of thing.

00:22:45   And yeah, if I'm talking to someone I think I will fidget with the buttons on the phone

00:22:49   sometimes, but that's just about it.

00:22:51   I don't feel like I need to have a dedicated rainbow of fidgeting options before me.

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00:24:44   Lloyd wants to know, how often do you drop your phones?

00:24:48   - I mean, I guess we should really ask

00:24:49   how often you drop your fidget toys, it seems like.

00:24:51   - All the time, I drop my phone about as much.

00:24:53   I drop my phone so much.

00:24:54   I don't know what's happened with this specific phone,

00:24:59   but I have loads of scratches on my screen.

00:25:03   I don't drop this phone more than I've dropped

00:25:05   any other phone, but the iPhone XS Max

00:25:08   seems to scratch more easily

00:25:10   than any of the other iPhones that I've had.

00:25:12   But I keep my iPhone in a case all the time,

00:25:14   even though I love how it feels without the K-SAN

00:25:17   because I drop my phone every few days at least,

00:25:20   I'll drop it somewhere.

00:25:21   And like sometimes, especially with the bigger phones

00:25:23   is way worse because there's more surface area,

00:25:26   you have more of a chance of trying to catch it.

00:25:28   And there have been many times where like on the way down,

00:25:30   you try and catch it and what you actually do is hit it

00:25:32   and it just turns into a death spiral

00:25:34   as the thing is now falling and spinning as it lands.

00:25:38   So that happens quite a lot.

00:25:39   - You accelerate it downward in your attempt to catch it.

00:25:42   This is why I have more scratches on my phone,

00:25:46   but it seems like I'm not dropping it anymore

00:25:48   or any less dramatically,

00:25:49   but this one is scratching more easily.

00:25:52   - Yeah, I don't know.

00:25:53   I feel like I drop it a normal amount,

00:25:55   which is not a lot.

00:25:57   - Which means you do, right?

00:25:58   Let me, like, it happens.

00:25:59   - I totally drop it, but this is also,

00:26:01   I am not and never have been really precious

00:26:04   with my electronics.

00:26:05   I always feel like these are tools to be used.

00:26:08   They're not pieces of artwork to be displayed in a museum.

00:26:11   So I don't really care about scratches on a device,

00:26:14   on the laptops or on any of these things.

00:26:16   So I'm not overly precious about it.

00:26:18   Although this morning I think I had

00:26:20   what was a sort of hilariously dramatic drop

00:26:24   because while I was listening to our members episode,

00:26:28   I happened to be using one of those stair machines

00:26:30   that has a fake staircase that you can walk on at the gym.

00:26:34   And I picked up the phone to make a note for you

00:26:37   about an edit in that episode.

00:26:40   And this day, I didn't happen to have the phone in a case.

00:26:44   So slipperiness is multiplied by 20,000% and dropped it.

00:26:49   And not only of course, do I just drop it straight down,

00:26:53   but I'm dropping it on a staircase that's moving.

00:26:56   So at the gym, it goes clunk, clunk, clunk,

00:26:59   hits three stairs on the way down.

00:27:01   The stairs are going up,

00:27:02   so they give it an extra nice little smack

00:27:04   before it falls off the back and bam,

00:27:07   right down face first on the floor.

00:27:09   So I was like, oh, sorry little buddy.

00:27:11   Normally it's just a drop right down to the floor,

00:27:13   but this is down on an artificial staircase,

00:27:15   which feels like an extra indignity.

00:27:17   But yeah, so I drop phones, everybody drops phones.

00:27:20   - Did it survive that drop?

00:27:21   - Yeah, oh, the phone was totally fine, yeah.

00:27:23   - Good one.

00:27:24   - The phone was completely fine.

00:27:25   The things that don't survive drops are iPads,

00:27:28   which I'm more careful about.

00:27:31   This year, when I was on one of my gradations

00:27:33   working on the airline boarding video,

00:27:37   I had my iPad Pro in my hand.

00:27:40   It had a tremendous drop right onto marble tile

00:27:44   and hit it straight on the corner.

00:27:47   As time is going on, I'm getting that thing

00:27:49   where the screen starts to separate

00:27:52   just a little bit from the edge.

00:27:54   And so it's like, oh, well iPad,

00:27:57   you're not long for this world.

00:27:59   So the iPads are much less resistant.

00:28:00   But the phones, phones are pretty tough.

00:28:02   They're tougher than you give them credit for.

00:28:04   They're like children, they can fall down and they're fine.

00:28:06   Radical Bean asks, "What do you guys use to charge your devices?

00:28:10   Do you have cords everywhere?

00:28:12   How do you manage the cords or do you use Qi charging mats?"

00:28:15   Where are you with this, Myke?

00:28:16   I know I have shared with you my feeling about Qi charging, but I don't remember

00:28:24   if I've shared it with the core Texans.

00:28:25   Qi charging makes me uncomfortable.

00:28:28   I just don't.

00:28:29   Oh, right.

00:28:31   You don't like that it gets warm?

00:28:32   I don't like that.

00:28:33   There's just something about the technology that I don't like and the more I read about how Qi works,

00:28:39   the less comfortable I am with it as a technology. Just like the idea of these magnets just like

00:28:47   spinning around or whatever and warming up like these cords and that's how it works at all.

00:28:51   No, I know. I don't know why I said that. But the idea of just these electrical cords.

00:28:55   There's no moving parts.

00:28:56   There's no moving parts or magnets, but the idea of these electrical cords

00:29:00   just giving off heat to each other. I don't like it. I just don't like it. I don't like the way

00:29:06   that it works. It makes me very uncomfortable. If you place it kind of wrong, things will warm up

00:29:12   because you get all this like excess energy. I'm very much enjoying these descriptions.

00:29:17   I'm not a fan of it. Leave me alone. I don't like it. It makes me uncomfortable and so I just don't

00:29:25   don't use Qi charging. I use a couple of docks. I have one on my desk and one on my bedside

00:29:31   made by Studio Neat. That's how I charge most of my devices typically. Other than that,

00:29:35   there are just cables, there are cables everywhere that are like attached to the desk with various

00:29:40   like cable management systems and there's just cables everywhere.

00:29:45   Yeah, I'm in a particularly sad place with this right now. I mean, aside from the usual,

00:29:52   I love wireless charging, unlike you.

00:29:56   There's something about it that just straight up

00:29:58   makes me happy.

00:29:59   Oh, I didn't have to plug in a wire.

00:30:02   That's great.

00:30:03   Just like when the Roomba does its vacuuming.

00:30:05   Look at all this vacuuming I didn't need to do.

00:30:07   It's 10 times more pleasing.

00:30:10   But of course, the frustration is you can't have

00:30:13   something like a pop socket on the back of your phone.

00:30:16   I've tried several different variants

00:30:18   of different kinds of things.

00:30:19   I'm like trying to find the thing

00:30:20   that can work with inductive charging.

00:30:22   and it does not.

00:30:23   - Yeah, the option that they have available,

00:30:25   which is to remove the plastic part is dumb.

00:30:28   - That is, that's worse than nothing.

00:30:30   - Mm-hmm.

00:30:31   - That is, you know, I refuse, I hate everything about that.

00:30:35   That is, why don't you just thinking embodied?

00:30:40   I have no interest in this in the slightest.

00:30:42   - That is another reason why I'm not interested in cheese,

00:30:44   because I can't, like I don't even bother to do obviously more research

00:30:50   and working out how it actually works because I know I won't be able to use a popsocket

00:30:54   anymore and I can't do that now because that's just a comfortable way for me to use my phone.

00:30:59   Yeah honestly one of my big requests for what iPhone XQ features would be

00:31:09   Qi charging goes farther. Or through the front like whatever you need to do. Yeah or through

00:31:14   the front which is for various reasons that wouldn't work but it's like man just look guys

00:31:18   I just need like 12 millimeters. Can you get me 12 millimeters? And I'm probably fine.

00:31:23   So I just always find myself frustrated and sort of going back and forth between the two of them.

00:31:26   I'm doubly frustrated because currently in my home office, I have two offices worth of stuff

00:31:33   since I closed down the glass cube. I have wires everywhere and I just wanted KonMari this whole

00:31:40   office and I haven't had a chance to do it since I got back from America. But it's like all of this

00:31:46   junk, all of it's got to come out and I want to KonMari everything, only bring back the wires that

00:31:52   I absolutely need and try to try to eliminate as much stuff from this office as I physically can.

00:31:56   But the one charging thing that I am very happy with is I have a charger from 12 South

00:32:04   and it's called, it's like the High Rise Duo, I think is the name of it. And it's just, all it is,

00:32:12   is it's just a little charger that combines a place to put the watch and a place to put

00:32:16   your phone. And that's the one I'm using sort of 80% of the time and it sits on my desk

00:32:21   in the office.

00:32:22   That's not Qi, is it?

00:32:23   No.

00:32:24   That's just like you put it in a stand.

00:32:25   No, it's not a Qi charger and I'm trying to live with it and it does make me a little

00:32:29   sad at the time.

00:32:30   I had one of these and did not like it.

00:32:32   What did you not like about it?

00:32:33   I felt like it, no matter what they said or what I tried to do, it never felt stable enough.

00:32:39   Like it always felt like it was moving around. Doesn't it have a little suction pad on?

00:32:42   on it? Well that's what I don't like about it then, is that it doesn't affix itself to

00:32:46   the desk in any way.

00:32:48   What you don't like about it is it doesn't have a suction pad.

00:32:51   Well but like a lot of things do, so the stuff that I have from Studio Neat, they have these

00:32:55   like suction pads on them, so it doesn't glue it but like it just locks it down, so nothing

00:33:00   can push my phone over or when I put it down, I don't have to like hold on to the stand,

00:33:05   I'm not interested in doing that, and that's what I didn't like about the HiRise, it's

00:33:09   like it would move and I tried to put it down.

00:33:12   It's like, well no, I want it to be completely solid,

00:33:15   especially because you are now like

00:33:17   elevating my phone above the desk.

00:33:19   So if I knock it over, it's gonna be worse, right?

00:33:21   Like so now that product didn't do it for me

00:33:24   for those reasons.

00:33:24   - I can completely understand it.

00:33:26   Also the charger that I hate the most

00:33:27   is the Apple Watch charger.

00:33:28   So most of the time I'm like,

00:33:29   how can I get this thing out of the way?

00:33:31   I don't want just this random wire on my desk.

00:33:34   So that's the one that I happen to use.

00:33:36   I like it, but I guess whatever angle I'm picking it up from,

00:33:39   I'm able to just pull the phone out and the thing does drop off the bottom of it for me

00:33:43   at least but maybe it's because my lightning port is wearing out. Who knows? But I'm generally,

00:33:48   as we all are, eternally unhappy with the various charging solutions and I have way

00:33:55   too many wires in my house right now and I'm generally displeased with charging. Charging,

00:34:02   why do we still need to do it? I'd really rather not.

00:34:05   Ryan wants to know, what is your favorite iPad note-taking app right now?

00:34:10   In terms of, uh, oh I guess in terms of notes?

00:34:14   I'm assuming, like, handwritten stuff, because why else would you say iPad?

00:34:18   Oh yeah, okay, that's what sort of threw me off.

00:34:21   Right, that would be my assumption.

00:34:23   I was thinking I have given up and moved to Notes for notes stuff.

00:34:27   There's no giving up, there's no giving up.

00:34:28   Apple's Notes app is really good.

00:34:30   It is really good.

00:34:32   There's a few features that it's missing that I find somewhat annoying, but it's very solid

00:34:36   with syncing and just having stuff be there, and I appreciate how omnivorous it is

00:34:40   that you can throw almost anything at it and notes will...

00:34:44   At worst it'll create one of those funny little links where you can just click on something and it'll take you to where you're supposed to go.

00:34:48   So it is pretty good, and I use that for a bunch of stuff.

00:34:52   I still love GoodNotes. That's the one that I use for anything

00:34:56   that's handwritten. That's the one that works best for me.

00:35:00   they would add in audio recording,

00:35:02   the way Notability will do, but aside from that,

00:35:05   that's still the one that I use for everything

00:35:07   and I really like it.

00:35:08   - And Notability is my favorite.

00:35:10   I like that application a lot.

00:35:12   I don't know why this is one of the things

00:35:13   that we have a very clear divide about and always have done,

00:35:17   but Notability is the one for me.

00:35:19   I like something that I added recently,

00:35:20   which came into great effect when I was drawing the map

00:35:23   for our text adventure,

00:35:25   was it can automatically recognize shapes.

00:35:27   So I could draw a crude square, just hold,

00:35:30   so like when I finish the square, just hold for a second,

00:35:33   and it would just pop into a shape for me.

00:35:35   So that was very useful.

00:35:36   - GoodNotes does do something like that as well.

00:35:38   But yes. - I'm sure it does.

00:35:39   These applications do basically the exact same things.

00:35:42   They tend to just have one or two things that's different,

00:35:44   and then it's just your own preference

00:35:46   as to which one you like the most.

00:35:47   - Yeah, or I think, from talking to many people,

00:35:50   it's often just a preference about,

00:35:52   'cause they're each using custom engines

00:35:54   for the handwriting recognition.

00:35:55   - Yep.

00:35:56   And so this can also just be a thing of, oh, I like the way this one does the handwriting

00:36:00   recognition for me personally better than the other one.

00:36:04   But yes, that is a spoiler for the members episode that Myke did use for the first time

00:36:09   digital note system instead of pen and paper for the members episode.

00:36:12   Sorry for the spoiler.

00:36:13   I was shocked.

00:36:14   I was shocked at the end of the episode.

00:36:17   I am intrigued to see, because Apple have opened up their system, like that's in Apple

00:36:24   notes for like hand drawing to developers now so you can just integrate it. It's called

00:36:28   Pencilkit. And I'm wondering if any of the developers of these applications will abandon

00:36:33   their own engines for it.

00:36:34   Oh, I thought that was always the case.

00:36:35   Well, you'd think it's your competitive advantage, right, that you have your own engine. But

00:36:40   now Apple will give you all the tools if you want to use it, which they didn't do before.

00:36:45   There were APIs that you could use to help with the rendering from the Apple Pencil,

00:36:50   But now you can straight up just use the exact toolset that exists in Notes in any application

00:36:56   if it integrates it.

00:36:58   Huh.

00:36:59   Hmm.

00:37:00   I wouldn't be surprised if developers just take that on board.

00:37:04   I mean, I imagine it must be an enormous headache to maintain your own engine like that for

00:37:08   the handwriting stuff.

00:37:10   But again, if it's, like you say, part of your core advantage, it does allow you to

00:37:14   do more stuff.

00:37:16   As a good comparison, our friend Marco does Overcast.

00:37:20   He does all of the audio stuff. He's not using Apple's

00:37:24   built-in things, and that allows him to do very different

00:37:28   things than other podcast players can do. He's building on top of that in some interesting

00:37:32   ways. He's not just using what they give. Yeah, yeah. I'll be curious to see

00:37:36   what happens. I'd always thought that they could use the handwriting stuff, but I guess not.

00:37:40   There was like a part of it that you could use, but

00:37:44   you still had to build your own tools.

00:37:46   Like it was the recognition you could take advantage of,

00:37:49   I think.

00:37:50   - I'll have to test out how the handwriting stuff works

00:37:52   in Apple Notes then and see how I feel about that.

00:37:54   - It's very good.

00:37:55   It's very good.

00:37:56   - Like the latency is unbelievable now.

00:37:59   - It's funny that there's one of those features

00:38:01   that I remember they promoted WWDC a few years ago,

00:38:04   which is the hold your pencil against the screen

00:38:06   and you can start writing a note immediately thing.

00:38:08   - Yeah, I never used that.

00:38:09   - And it's funny 'cause I think about that too

00:38:12   that seems like a feature that I should use all the time

00:38:16   and it never occurs to me to use that.

00:38:18   I just, I never do, even though that seems like

00:38:21   it would be the world's most useful thing.

00:38:22   And I remember thinking, that's amazing

00:38:25   when I saw it demoed and I've probably used it

00:38:27   three or four times just to try it out.

00:38:29   And it just never, never occurs to me to do.

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00:40:37   This may be a bigger conversation, but Mo wants to know, is Grey ever going to come back to Twitter?

00:40:43   What is it? It's August now? Is that right?

00:40:47   I guess it's almost a year that I've been away? Because I went away in September?

00:40:52   What are you laughing at?

00:40:52   Away. I went to the away.

00:40:55   It sounds like a place in a way. I went, you know, away. Like wink wink.

00:41:01   It does feel like going away. It's like, oh, there's all these people in this room talking.

00:41:06   I'm gonna step outside for a little while, guys.

00:41:08   And I'll be back in two weeks, maybe three months.

00:41:11   Oh, actually, now it's almost a year.

00:41:13   That's why it feels like, oh, yes, you have stepped outside

00:41:16   from the conversation that's going on.

00:41:18   I mean, obviously, I don't feel any pressing need

00:41:24   to come back to Twitter.

00:41:27   I think this is a little bit like so many

00:41:28   of the things in our lives that have any kind of urgency,

00:41:33   where the human brain conflates urgency with importance

00:41:38   or novelty with importance.

00:41:41   And when you step away from that for a little while,

00:41:43   you have a clearer view of, oh, none of this is important.

00:41:48   For example, following the news on a daily basis,

00:41:51   you're like, wait a minute,

00:41:52   it feels important because it's urgent,

00:41:54   but it isn't if you step back for a while and you go,

00:41:57   oh, the bigger picture, the daily stuff doesn't matter.

00:42:01   So I kind of feel that way about Twitter.

00:42:03   I'm just like, oh, having stepped back from a while,

00:42:05   I don't feel like being there is super important.

00:42:10   The one thing I have thought of a number of times

00:42:13   over the course of this last year

00:42:15   is times in which it would be useful to use Twitter.

00:42:19   And most of that is the ability to ask an audience

00:42:24   a question or to help with something.

00:42:29   Like there's an example that just happened recently where I thought, "Oh, if I was on Twitter, I would love to just ask everyone for an example of times a certain kind of thing happens in a movie."

00:42:43   And so I could say like, "Oh, I'm thinking about in movies when they do X, where have you seen this in movies?"

00:42:49   And Twitter is like the perfect venue for asking that kind of question, because you'll just get a bunch of people replying, like, "Oh yeah, in this movie that happens at 12 minutes in."

00:42:57   minutes in. So I think at some point I would like to be able to use Twitter for that kind of stuff

00:43:02   again because otherwise it feels like this is a tool that is being pointlessly dormant.

00:43:09   But yeah, I don't have an urgent need to get back to Twitter anytime soon.

00:43:18   But like your ability to use it for those types of things.

00:43:27   You can start doing that.

00:43:30   Any time that you want.

00:43:34   Yeah.

00:43:35   Even in a case of like using it again as a promotional tool for the videos, the

00:43:41   podcasts and the various other endeavors that you have going on.

00:43:45   Yeah.

00:43:46   There's no reason now to not do that.

00:43:50   If you feel like you have a better sense of

00:43:55   how you would want to use it recreationally,

00:43:57   which is not.

00:43:59   - Yeah, I totally know that, I understand that.

00:44:02   Nothing's actually preventing me from coming back.

00:44:04   I'm happy to sit on it for a while longer

00:44:08   and not move forward with that.

00:44:10   I don't know, like with many things,

00:44:14   it's just sort of easier to say,

00:44:16   oh, I'm not doing this thing at all,

00:44:20   than it is to just sort of slide back.

00:44:25   So that's why I keep saying

00:44:27   I don't have an urgent reason to come back,

00:44:29   is because the times where I have thought,

00:44:31   oh, it would be useful to have Twitter for X,

00:44:33   none of those thoughts have been,

00:44:35   oh, I need Twitter to do X.

00:44:39   And so that's why I've been like,

00:44:41   oh, it's slightly inconvenient that I can't do this thing,

00:44:43   but it's totally fine, so whatever.

00:44:46   I'm just gonna keep this project going for a while longer,

00:44:48   for some indefinite period of time.

00:44:50   I mean, the answer to the question is,

00:44:52   I assume that I will come back at some point,

00:44:55   but I think the audience can expect that my presence there

00:44:57   when I do come back will be dramatically decreased,

00:45:01   that would be my expectation.

00:45:03   And it would be much more tool use than casual use.

00:45:08   It's not a thing that I feel like,

00:45:12   "Oh, you know what I need more of in my life is more of this."

00:45:15   So I think it's become more of a work tool.

00:45:18   - Does this count for everything that was related to that?

00:45:22   - Yeah, I think so. - Like, all internet stuff,

00:45:23   like Reddit? - Yeah.

00:45:25   - I don't know what other places you'd really consider.

00:45:28   - Yeah, it was sort of social media, podcasts,

00:45:30   Reddit, Hacker News, like all of that stuff

00:45:32   was kind of lumped together in one big bunch.

00:45:35   So I don't know, I feel that way about a lot of this stuff

00:45:38   is a similar kind of thing.

00:45:41   - Yeah, like the only thing I really miss

00:45:42   as I mentioned in a Q&A video

00:45:44   is I miss the kind of meaniness of the internet.

00:45:46   You know, the internet can be hilarious

00:45:48   in a way that nothing else can be sometimes,

00:45:51   but yeah, there's no urgency.

00:45:52   I mean, Myke, do you think,

00:45:55   you're out there in the wild west of the internet.

00:45:58   Do you think I'm missing anything important here?

00:46:01   - No, but I--

00:46:05   (laughing)

00:46:07   - Great, perfect. - For you, no.

00:46:09   But I do think you are missing out on some ways to promote the work that you're doing.

00:46:17   And I know that you are mostly okay with where everything is, but they are valid tools, and

00:46:27   you saw use in them before, but now you're not doing that, and I think that it would

00:46:34   be worthwhile to reinvestigate that part again.

00:46:37   - Yeah, that's the part that's the clearest win.

00:46:42   - That was the reason to start in the first place,

00:46:45   and there is validity in it.

00:46:47   - Yeah, well, it also just, it made me think of,

00:46:49   back in ye olden days of when I started to use Twitter,

00:46:52   a lot of it was much more,

00:46:54   oh, asking the audience for help kind of stuff,

00:46:57   and then it turns into, hey, I've just made a new thing.

00:47:01   You can see it here.

00:47:03   And I think that, oh, that initial use

00:47:05   is also the clearest win for a use case.

00:47:09   So I can see going back to that in the future.

00:47:12   And I do agree, it's like, oh, it would make more sense

00:47:16   to be promoting my own stuff over the last year

00:47:19   using Twitter, but I'm still of the opinion

00:47:21   that those kind of promotions matter much less

00:47:24   than people think they do.

00:47:26   And so, yes, it is missing out,

00:47:28   but it's not critically missing out on a promotion.

00:47:32   - No, I agree with that.

00:47:33   It's not massively important.

00:47:35   it doesn't necessarily make or break something,

00:47:38   but there is benefit in it.

00:47:41   - Yeah, there is benefit in it, but I'm just not sure.

00:47:45   The number of places where there is potential benefit

00:47:48   to promote your thing is very, very large,

00:47:50   and I don't think it makes a critical difference,

00:47:55   but I don't know, I could see doing something

00:47:58   like even having my Twitter account

00:48:01   like retweet the blog's Twitter account

00:48:04   to just be like, oh, here's when something new has gone up.

00:48:07   Like that's a possible thing to do in the future.

00:48:10   But you say I'm not missing anything,

00:48:11   so that's good enough for me, Myke.

00:48:13   - I think it's different for you

00:48:15   than it is for most people, and for other people.

00:48:18   You know, like I think that there is like a sliding scale

00:48:20   of how important things are.

00:48:21   Like for me, things are a little bit more important,

00:48:24   depending on what it is for you,

00:48:25   but I've actually started changing some of my stuff around

00:48:28   to stop that reliance on social media.

00:48:31   - What do you mean?

00:48:33   I'm back on RSS and have been for about six weeks.

00:48:37   - Okay, how's that going?

00:48:39   That's very sweet.

00:48:40   - It's actually going pretty well

00:48:43   because it went in conjunction with me reading Twitter less.

00:48:48   So for a while, for a long while,

00:48:53   I've moved over to the official Twitter app,

00:48:55   which was in part me trying to make my Twitter experience

00:49:01   worse in some ways.

00:49:03   - Okay, yeah, the official app will do that for sure.

00:49:06   - But it also makes it better in other ways.

00:49:09   I genuinely think if you are somebody

00:49:11   who is looking to reduce the amount of time

00:49:13   you spend on Twitter, using the official app

00:49:15   is the way to do it, because what the official app has

00:49:17   and none of the other apps have is the algorithm.

00:49:20   So whenever I go onto Twitter, I log into what they call

00:49:24   the home tab, which is where things

00:49:25   are algorithmically sorted.

00:49:27   So in theory, I should always be seeing the things

00:49:29   that are most important for me at any time.

00:49:31   So that way I don't need to read everything,

00:49:34   and I don't need to check in as often.

00:49:36   And that has kind of bore itself out

00:49:38   to become a thing that I'm doing.

00:49:39   I read Twitter less.

00:49:41   When I do, I don't read as much,

00:49:43   and I don't pay as attention as much as I used to.

00:49:45   I read it much more mindlessly now than I used to,

00:49:48   which is actually a better thing for me.

00:49:50   I'm not looking for things as much.

00:49:51   I kind of just scroll through

00:49:52   and see if anything catches my attention,

00:49:55   which I find to just be a better way for me to live.

00:49:57   And the way that I deal with what I used to is like,

00:50:00   Will I read Twitter as my news source to be able to get the things I need to talk about

00:50:03   on my shows?

00:50:04   And I just have a small RSS list that I check a couple of times a day.

00:50:08   And I'm actually finding that this is a better thing for me because I catch things that I

00:50:13   may have otherwise missed anyway.

00:50:16   Because that is like a source of stuff that just sits there and it builds up, which on

00:50:20   Twitter is like a much harder thing to deal with, like to go through the backlog, because

00:50:24   as well as all the links, you have all of the opinions about all of the other things

00:50:27   that are constantly happening always.

00:50:29   And RSS doesn't, it can't get messed up like that really

00:50:34   if you keep the subscription list smaller.

00:50:37   It's not being intermingled of anything else.

00:50:39   It's just the stuff that you in theory want to see

00:50:42   or stuff that you're not interested in

00:50:44   but it's still within the realm of what you were expecting

00:50:47   and every time you open Twitter it's completely unexpected

00:50:50   what is gonna be there because it could be anything.

00:50:53   About anything.

00:50:54   So I am tweeting less and just,

00:50:59   myself, I still replied, like that's the main thing that I used to have on now.

00:51:03   It's like, what are people saying to me? What kind of feedback are they giving me?

00:51:07   What does the world want from me? That continues to be my main

00:51:11   use case of it. But that's what I want it for.

00:51:15   I want to get feedback and I want to know what people are interested in. What do they

00:51:19   want to hear me talk about? What are they like? What are they not like?

00:51:23   And so I can continue to get that whenever I need it, whenever I want it,

00:51:27   but I am checking my timeline less. I'm relying on it less.

00:51:32   And I can see it in my screen time numbers, like Twitter is going down.

00:51:36   The hours are going down, the pickups are going down.

00:51:40   Like, it's changing.

00:51:42   And Instagram isn't replacing them?

00:51:44   Instagram is going up, but this is choice though. This was my choice.

00:51:47   Okay.

00:51:48   Right? Like, I'm spending more time on Instagram and it is the app that I open more

00:51:52   because Instagram makes me feel good all the time,

00:51:57   pretty much, better than any other social network.

00:51:59   I get a good feeling from it.

00:52:01   That's how it's been for a long time, and I enjoy that.

00:52:04   These days, if I meet somebody, I am more likely

00:52:07   to follow them on Instagram than anywhere else.

00:52:10   Meet a new person that I'm interested in,

00:52:12   or there's like, I wanna follow a individual

00:52:15   whose work that I enjoy, I go to Instagram

00:52:18   because I actually care about the people and their lives,

00:52:21   and that people are more willing to share things that are happening to them on Instagram

00:52:27   and on Twitter they share things that are not them.

00:52:31   Right it's like here is this thing that happened and my opinion about it or here is this thing

00:52:37   that I'm upset about but it's not about them it's about other things.

00:52:41   That's an interesting distinction.

00:52:42   And I tend to care about the people themselves and what they are doing and what they like

00:52:47   and people share that stuff visually.

00:52:49   and they have text, they just share their opinions.

00:52:52   And I want less opinions and more people

00:52:55   in the content that I consume, like on social media.

00:52:58   So that's kind of where I'm sitting right now.

00:53:01   And I'm pretty happy with the way that things are going.

00:53:06   And I wanna keep pushing that trend of decreasing Twitter

00:53:10   and increasing RSS and Instagram.

00:53:13   Like I don't want to leave Twitter.

00:53:16   I'm not like in that mode that I feel like

00:53:18   it's become a bit of a trend of like,

00:53:20   Twitter's a garbage place, it's full of terrible people,

00:53:22   we must leave, like that's not what I'm doing,

00:53:24   it's just I wanna reduce my own personal reliance

00:53:28   on that service and funnel the energy into other places,

00:53:33   but I still love Twitter for what I've always loved it for,

00:53:36   but I want to need less of my timeline

00:53:41   and put that energy into other avenues.

00:53:44   - Well, it seems like it's working out well for you then.

00:53:47   I'm actually pretty happy with it because it was like some purposeful decisions and

00:53:52   some accidental decisions, but it's all leveling towards something that it wasn't like an official

00:53:58   theme but it was something that I had in my mind for a while.

00:54:01   Right.

00:54:02   And I spoke about it on the show, right?

00:54:03   Like I have an Apple note.

00:54:05   I don't know if I mentioned this, but I had an Apple note that is titled the rules of

00:54:09   engagement and it's got a bunch of things that I wanted to do with social media and

00:54:15   like do's and don'ts and stuff like that.

00:54:17   And I've been adding to it a little bit over time,

00:54:21   but I pinned it, it's one of the only pinned notes

00:54:23   that I have, so I see the title a lot

00:54:25   whenever I open Apple Notes, to remind me that like,

00:54:28   you are supposed to be thinking about

00:54:30   changing the way that you use social media.

00:54:33   And I think that it's been helpful to have that reminder.

00:54:37   Like imagine if I wrote rules of engagement

00:54:40   on a Post-it note and put it on my computer monitor, right?

00:54:42   It's kind of had that effect on me.

00:54:45   Yeah, that's interesting.

00:54:46   It's interesting that you write it down explicitly because everyone who has any

00:54:54   kind of professional appearance on the internet as a public person, you have to

00:55:01   learn and sort out what your own rules of engagement are.

00:55:04   There are a few things that I have in my head about like, oh, internet rules of

00:55:08   engagement, like try to stick to these things, but I've never written them down

00:55:11   explicitly and it's interesting that you've not only written them down

00:55:14   explicitly but you also have it at the top so it's brought to your mind more frequently?

00:55:19   Yeah, they're not all in there. There are a bunch of headings that should have bullet

00:55:23   points in them that don't but it was more likeā€¦ I had a few interactions over the

00:55:31   space of a couple of days months ago and they were interactions that I was unhappy with

00:55:37   and so it made me realise that I needed to change the way that I was using some of this

00:55:43   stuff. And so I just spent some time thinking about it and I think I've come out of it in a

00:55:52   much better position than I did before. I'm glad to hear that. Next up from All The Pretty Colors,

00:55:58   how important is an awesome name for your motivation on a project? It doesn't need to be

00:56:03   awesome, but it needs to be fitting. I think that's the way I think about code names for projects.

00:56:09   They need to fit. They don't necessarily need to be awesome. You can have awesome fatigue

00:56:15   if you have too many projects with awesome code names.

00:56:19   I'm not really a project name person. I like the way that you do that, right? That you have

00:56:26   like a project and you'll give it a name, right? Like project golem or whatever. Like I like those

00:56:30   names. They're fun. So my co-founder, Steven, whenever we have a big project that we're working

00:56:35   and together. He likes to do this. He likes the way that you do this. So he comes up with

00:56:41   names for these work projects and stuff. But I don't really work like that. The way that

00:56:47   I use projects in my to-do system, they are kind of non-flexible. If I was coming up with

00:56:53   something new, it would most likely be put into an existing project that I already have.

00:57:00   I like with names is like the kind of thing that I just mentioned, right? They're like,

00:57:05   it's theme based. So like I like good names for themes. So something like the rules of

00:57:09   engagement. I was pretty, yeah, pretty happy with that name and I like it and it stuck

00:57:13   in my head.

00:57:14   That's a great name for that.

00:57:15   Thank you. Like my yearly theme names, right? Like I, I've already worked out a couple of

00:57:18   themes for next year and I have some interesting names for them, but I also like my 2019 name,

00:57:24   stabilization and diversification. Like I like them. I like the way that they are solely.

00:57:28   I like the way that they interplay that kind of stuff.

00:57:31   So I like giving names to stuff,

00:57:33   but I just don't, my brain doesn't work on these,

00:57:36   like I'm doing this project for this amount of time

00:57:38   and I'm gonna give it a name.

00:57:40   It's not really how I organize my system.

00:57:43   It's like, you know, mine are like sponsors, preparation,

00:57:46   editing, personal, like cortex, right?

00:57:49   Those are my project names.

00:57:51   I don't come up with these like short names for projects.

00:57:56   I'm more likely to create a to-do

00:57:58   and list some stuff underneath it,

00:58:00   and it be pretty factual about what it is that I'm doing

00:58:04   as opposed to coming up with something fun.

00:58:06   - Yeah, I think the thing about a codename

00:58:08   is they tend to be more useful for long-term projects

00:58:13   that also have the possibility

00:58:18   of changing scope or direction.

00:58:20   So I think about, like that's why I tend to give

00:58:23   all of the video projects codenames,

00:58:26   because it is not unusual that by the time

00:58:28   we get to the end of a thing,

00:58:30   the idea of what it is. - It would never have been

00:58:31   cold what it was originally cold.

00:58:34   - Yeah, so that's why I don't put titles

00:58:36   because I also don't wanna get stuck on a title

00:58:39   as like, oh, this has to be the name for the thing.

00:58:42   And it allows some continuity for thinking about the project

00:58:47   that is separate from the goals

00:58:51   at any particular moment of that project.

00:58:54   So I think maybe that's also partly the differences.

00:58:58   I'll have something that lives in my system maybe,

00:59:00   like with Project Ursus for two years

00:59:04   before it finally becomes driving a Tesla

00:59:06   across the loneliest road.

00:59:07   Like then it, that makes sense to have it exist

00:59:10   as this thing.

00:59:13   - I think my work just doesn't really lend itself

00:59:15   to this in the same way.

00:59:17   - You have more ongoing things.

00:59:19   - Everything is constant always, right?

00:59:21   Like I don't have things that--

00:59:23   (laughing)

00:59:24   - Oops.

00:59:25   - Oh God, that sounds so brutal.

00:59:27   Everything is constant always.

00:59:28   - I don't have things that like,

00:59:30   they're gonna come to an end very much.

00:59:33   - Yes, yes.

00:59:34   - Right, like so, that kind of isn't,

00:59:36   it doesn't make sense to me to come up with this name

00:59:41   in that way.

00:59:42   And I also haven't got, I very rarely,

00:59:45   especially over the last couple of years,

00:59:47   have had anything new that I was working on by design.

00:59:51   So I could imagine giving something like this,

00:59:56   like a code name, as it's being conceived

00:59:59   before it becomes the thing that it is,

01:00:01   and then is ongoing, right?

01:00:02   Like projects that I work on, they are like,

01:00:05   oh, okay, I'm doing all the setup work for something,

01:00:08   and then it's the thing that continues, right?

01:00:11   'Cause that's just the nature of my work, right?

01:00:14   Where it's not like with your work,

01:00:15   it's like the overall thing continues as I'm making videos,

01:00:20   but that video project ends

01:00:23   and then you move on to a completely different thing.

01:00:24   And I don't really, my work doesn't really

01:00:27   format itself in that way.

01:00:29   - Yeah, codenames lend themselves to launches.

01:00:32   And it just so happens that my YouTube channel,

01:00:35   the videos have nothing to do with each other

01:00:37   and so they can be treated like individual things.

01:00:39   - Yeah, they're all like these own,

01:00:40   these like standalone little projects.

01:00:43   - Whereas I would think you were crazy

01:00:46   if you wanted to codename each episode of Cortex.

01:00:49   It's like, this is not, right?

01:00:50   Yes, each episode launches.

01:00:51   - But it already has a code name.

01:00:52   The code name is the number, right?

01:00:55   Like that's the number, 'cause we don't ever,

01:00:56   and then we come up with a title, right, afterwards.

01:01:00   But yeah, it would be crazy if I just came up

01:01:02   with like an inventive, and they wouldn't be inventive

01:01:05   by the end of it, code name for every episode.

01:01:07   That would make no sense.

01:01:09   - Yeah, but so anyone out there who's thinking

01:01:11   about code names for the projects,

01:01:12   if this pulls on your mind at all,

01:01:15   I would just run with it and be like,

01:01:17   yeah, let me give my projects code names.

01:01:18   because it can just, having a fun code name

01:01:21   or a code name that feels like,

01:01:22   oh, this is very fitting to the theme of the project,

01:01:25   it's just something that helps move

01:01:27   the work along a little bit.

01:01:28   - Can the code name affect your feelings towards a project?

01:01:32   - It wouldn't for me. - Okay.

01:01:35   - I could imagine that it could for people.

01:01:40   Like Project Golem, my aborted,

01:01:43   but perhaps Phoenix-like project at some point.

01:01:46   Like that, I don't have bad feelings about that

01:01:48   because it didn't work out.

01:01:50   And I know it sounds scary to you, Myke,

01:01:52   but the important thing about a project name

01:01:54   is that it's very fitting.

01:01:56   And say were it ever to be revealed,

01:01:58   it should be satisfying to the listener of,

01:02:01   oh, that's why it was named this thing.

01:02:04   It should feel like it should fit.

01:02:06   But so I don't feel that way.

01:02:07   But then if you do, that also just helps you

01:02:11   contain the feelings to whatever that thing is.

01:02:14   It's like, oh, that was the dark time on project whatever.

01:02:17   That was project Longhorn and it didn't turn out the way we hoped and now that whole thing is just gone, right?

01:02:22   Like you can just, you can quarantine it.

01:02:24   Oh, Longhorn.

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01:04:38   Waver wants to know, "What are your favorite fiction books, series or authors?"

01:04:45   I don't have any.

01:04:46   What?

01:04:47   Is that a joke?

01:04:48   No.

01:04:49   That's not a joke.

01:04:50   What about The Lord of the Rings?

01:04:51   Yeah, and see, this is the thing.

01:04:54   Everybody goes, "Oh, you must totally love Lord of the Rings.

01:04:57   Did you not make two videos on it?"

01:04:59   And you constantly make references to it that I don't understand.

01:05:03   Yeah, but, you know, references are just fun, right?

01:05:06   That's a different thing.

01:05:08   Also, I don't think I constantly make references to it.

01:05:11   They occasionally come up.

01:05:12   - Well, it's one of those things

01:05:13   where it feels constant to me

01:05:14   'cause people point out the things

01:05:16   that I miss all the time.

01:05:17   Like you say a thing and it's like,

01:05:19   oh, I missed the Lord of the Rings reference again.

01:05:21   - Right, because everyone also knows

01:05:24   that if you don't acknowledge the reference,

01:05:25   you cannot possibly have caught it on a podcast.

01:05:28   - But the thing is though,

01:05:29   if it is a Lord of the Rings one,

01:05:31   I 100% did not get it, right?

01:05:33   Maybe there's a couple of them

01:05:35   like the shall not pass or whatever, I get that one.

01:05:38   And it's my precious and all that nonsense.

01:05:41   - Right, yes.

01:05:42   But also, listeners, you're recording a podcast,

01:05:47   the important thing is flow and stopping the other person

01:05:50   to be like, ah, that's Star Trek.

01:05:53   - There it is, gotcha.

01:05:55   - No, that's no good.

01:05:56   You can do that in real life conversations.

01:05:59   You can't do that in podcast conversations.

01:06:01   So just because someone doesn't acknowledge a reference,

01:06:04   What you should feel, listener,

01:06:06   is the satisfaction of knowing,

01:06:09   I know what he's talking about.

01:06:10   I know that's Microsoft, right?

01:06:11   And you can have that as a little precious gem

01:06:16   that you can hold and feel happy about.

01:06:19   You don't have to tell the host,

01:06:22   oh, you missed the thing, I know all about it.

01:06:25   That's not a necessary component of this.

01:06:27   - I can't tell you anyway.

01:06:29   - Right.

01:06:30   (laughs)

01:06:31   But so no, I have no favorite fiction book series or authors.

01:06:38   None whatsoever.

01:06:39   Why is that?

01:06:40   It sounds like something you're very strong about.

01:06:44   Well, the reason it's strong is it's partly a frustration.

01:06:49   Like, I kind of wish that I did.

01:06:53   But I have a very hard time getting

01:06:58   into fiction books in particular.

01:07:01   Like, it's a very high barrier of entry.

01:07:04   So I'm envious of people who are like, oh, I

01:07:09   love the Wheel of Time series.

01:07:10   It's my favorite ever.

01:07:11   And there's 20,000 pages of written material in this.

01:07:16   And it's just great.

01:07:18   And a new book comes out, and I'm always

01:07:20   really happy about it.

01:07:21   And I don't have one of those things.

01:07:27   I've been reading through the Expanse series lately.

01:07:30   and I'm on book four, or maybe five.

01:07:34   And I'm reading it and it's like, it's fine.

01:07:38   You know, it's fine.

01:07:39   So my frustration is I actually kind of wish that I had this.

01:07:46   Whereas the author that I've read the most of,

01:07:50   without a doubt, has to be Stephen King.

01:07:53   I've read the most number of his books.

01:07:57   But I also think his books are--

01:07:59   We could say that the quality variance is quite high.

01:08:03   Sorry, Mr. King, if you're listening.

01:08:05   Some of the books are not very good.

01:08:06   I guarantee you that he is not.

01:08:09   But if he is, sorry, Stephen.

01:08:11   Some of the books are amazing.

01:08:14   So I can't say that he's a favorite author of mine,

01:08:19   because it more comes down to, oh, I really like The Stand.

01:08:24   And oh, I didn't like Cujo at all.

01:08:27   So it's, I don't know, I feel like it would make it much easier if I could just have an

01:08:32   author where it's like, "Oh, I love everything that this person produces," but I don't. I

01:08:35   tend to be much more individualistic about the books. I mean, you sound surprised you

01:08:41   must have a favorite author or series. But you don't read. I don't even know why I'm

01:08:46   asking you. You don't. You're not literate.

01:08:50   I have a kind of answer, but it's not necessarily what people would want.

01:08:57   But my favorite series of all time is the Scott Pilgrim comic book series.

01:09:05   Oh, that totally counts.

01:09:06   That counts.

01:09:07   Yeah, I think this is the closest thing I can get to counting.

01:09:10   I absolutely love it.

01:09:12   It was one of those things that came to me at just the right time and changed the course

01:09:17   of my life a little bit because it just kind of helped me realize a little bit about who

01:09:20   I was as a person. And it's one of those things where like when you love something so much

01:09:27   you notice it in your own life in places, right? Like there's things that have happened

01:09:30   to me. I'm like, "Oh, that's just like Scott Pilgrim." And I remember them more because

01:09:33   it's like this is a fun thing for me. I absolutely love this. I love it so much. And they just

01:09:38   released the soft cover color version of Scott Pilgrim. So it originally came out in just

01:09:43   black and white. They then released digital versions which are colorized, hardback versions

01:09:49   which are colorized, and paperback versions which are colorized. I thoroughly, thoroughly

01:09:54   recommend if you are going to read Scott Pilgrim that you read one of the colored versions,

01:09:59   not the original black and white. Because there are a couple of characters that are

01:10:03   drawn quite similarly and in the original it is very easy to get them confused and that

01:10:11   will mess up the story a little bit for you. And it did for me on my first run through,

01:10:15   I completely misunderstood a huge part of the story because I got some of the characters

01:10:20   mixed up. So the colorized versions were better, plus the coloring is wonderful, it looks wonderful

01:10:25   and it elevates the book. I'm not a purist like that.

01:10:29   Yeah, I just sort of assumed, I know that these are important to you so I just presume

01:10:34   that you must be a purist about them. No, I'm not one of those kinds of people,

01:10:39   that stuff doesn't doesn't doesn't bother me if it's done right if it I

01:10:43   mean it was done by the original artist right like ah okay that makes a big

01:10:48   difference that makes and worked with the people who put the coloring on right

01:10:52   like it was it this is not something that like the publisher just did right

01:10:56   like the the Brian Lee O'Malley who created the book was involved in that

01:11:00   because he wasn't a colorist he did the original illustration but that wasn't

01:11:06   his thing so he didn't do it, right?

01:11:08   So there are six books, the most recent release,

01:11:11   they've actually combined it into three books,

01:11:13   they've like put the books together.

01:11:15   I thoroughly recommend it, I'm gonna reread it now

01:11:18   because I've really been looking forward to rereading it

01:11:21   and I've been waiting for these new soft covers to come.

01:11:22   So that is my favorite fiction book series of all time.

01:11:26   I love it, absolutely love it.

01:11:28   - I was just trying to even think about

01:11:29   like with nonfiction books about

01:11:32   do I have any kind of favorite author

01:11:34   or even trying to think of who's the Stephen King for me of nonfiction books.

01:11:39   And I just can't, I can't come up with any author where it's like,

01:11:43   Oh, this, this person, I routinely read all of their stuff.

01:11:49   Um, so I don't know.

01:11:51   It's, it is a, it is a continual frustration for me, but I will take

01:11:56   this moment to ask the listeners.

01:11:58   If you have any good book recommendations, particularly nonfiction book

01:12:04   recommendations. Leave them in the Reddit. I'll have my assistant pass on things that

01:12:09   look interesting.

01:12:10   I wondered how this was going to resolve itself, but there you go. That will work.

01:12:15   Part of the reason why I think you can hear, like I sound sort of frustrated, is to go

01:12:19   back to our discussing the gym last time and our deep unhappiness about it. I have been

01:12:26   trying to pair listening to audiobooks with going to the gym, which is something I normally

01:12:33   don't do. But it has also led to this thing of really burning through my list of where I've

01:12:40   written down books that people have recommended to me, and also has made me much more aware of how

01:12:45   shockingly picky I am about books that I want to listen to. Like the number of books, particularly

01:12:53   non-fiction books, where I give them a try and I'm like, I don't know, 10 paragraphs in and they're

01:12:58   And I'm like, "Nope, not for me.

01:13:00   Like, this is not gonna happen, book."

01:13:03   So I feel extra desperate for recommendations

01:13:08   from people for books.

01:13:09   - Have you considered fiction podcasts?

01:13:12   I will recommend "The Adventure Zone."

01:13:16   It's one of my favorite stories ever put together.

01:13:19   There's a lot of it.

01:13:20   - I mean, you know, my podcasts are off my list

01:13:24   at the moment.

01:13:25   I'm not against them in principle.

01:13:27   - Right, but I feel like you are avoiding

01:13:30   a certain type of podcast,

01:13:31   like you are avoiding information, right?

01:13:34   And that's how it always felt to me.

01:13:36   - Yeah, that's fair, that's fair.

01:13:38   - If it's a fictional show,

01:13:40   it's just like an audio book in theory, in theory.

01:13:43   I understand that there is a lot of variance,

01:13:46   but if the story is good and the presentation is good,

01:13:49   couldn't that work?

01:13:52   - I feel like this is the thin end of the wedge

01:13:54   that you're trying to shove in here

01:13:56   to break open this door that I've had closed for a year.

01:13:58   - Your number, you, are not affecting me, right?

01:14:02   Like you're not listening to podcasts.

01:14:04   I'm merely attempting to provide you with an answer.

01:14:08   - Yeah, I mean, again, I wouldn't be opposed to it

01:14:11   in principle, again, especially 'cause I grew up

01:14:14   with radio dramas as a genre.

01:14:16   - Just listen to the adventure zone, just try it.

01:14:19   I mean, it's one of those things where like,

01:14:22   I know you're gonna hate this,

01:14:23   but like you gotta go for a good,

01:14:26   like maybe four or five episodes

01:14:28   for them to really find their stride.

01:14:29   - No, no, when people recommend that kind of,

01:14:31   especially with fiction,

01:14:33   if someone says you've gotta give this thing a go

01:14:36   for a certain length of time with fiction,

01:14:37   I completely understand that.

01:14:39   And I'm always in the position of,

01:14:40   it's a TV show,

01:14:42   but I'm always in the position of

01:14:42   when I recommend "The Wire"

01:14:45   in the very tough sell of,

01:14:46   okay, look, I'm gonna recommend "The Wire,"

01:14:48   but you have to give it a season and a half

01:14:51   before you decide.

01:14:52   - That's good then,

01:14:53   What I'm going to tell you is, the adventure zone is broken up into effectively seasons.

01:14:59   You have to go about a season and a half before you make your final decision.

01:15:03   Now you've got me, Myke!

01:15:04   Right?

01:15:05   Go about a season and a half once they finish kind of the first part of the campaign and

01:15:09   move into the second.

01:15:10   And if you're hooked by then, then I don't know if you will be, but like that's when

01:15:14   it goes from they were playing a campaign to oh now they're making their own complete

01:15:18   story from scratch.

01:15:20   And then it's like you're on that train at that point if you like it.

01:15:24   But my thing about The Wire is it's not just that, you also have to watch the first episode

01:15:28   like three times.

01:15:30   Because the first two times you don't understand a word that anybody's saying about anything

01:15:33   and you don't know who anybody is and no one will explain anything to you.

01:15:37   So watch the first episode three times and then the whole first season of The Wire before

01:15:42   you make a decision on it.

01:15:44   Right yes, but then my other thing is like "oh yes the next season comes around and listen

01:15:48   You're going to be upset, everybody is, but you've got to give it another half season

01:15:53   and then you're in.

01:15:54   Then you'll be like everyone else and say it's your favorite show.

01:15:57   It's wild, right?

01:15:58   How can a TV show be so critically acclaimed, so recommended, but that's the caveats that

01:16:06   need to go with it.

01:16:07   And also don't watch the final season.

01:16:09   No, I'll disagree with don't watch the last one, but I know I'm in a minority on that

01:16:15   one.

01:16:17   My caveat is, everything that takes place inside a school you can skip.

01:16:22   There are three Godfather movies. Don't watch the last one. The first one and the second

01:16:27   one are two of the best movies ever made. Don't watch the third.

01:16:33   This is the way recommendations start going crazy. Okay, so listen, we've gone way off

01:16:37   track here. Listen, people, all I'm asking for, non-fiction books, please, please, I'm

01:16:42   begging you. Give me some recommendations. What do you think is good?

01:16:45   Wait, non-fiction or fiction?

01:16:46   I want nonfiction in particular.

01:16:48   That's what, that's what I'm looking for.

01:16:50   Fiction stuff, whatever.

01:16:52   I just always know that I have a hard time, but it's the nonfiction stuff.

01:16:56   That's great.

01:16:56   And here's, here's the other thing.

01:16:58   Okay.

01:16:58   So listeners, you probably, you're probably thinking, Oh, I know a

01:17:04   book that Grey would totally love.

01:17:06   But what I'm, what I'm looking for is books that are outside the realm of

01:17:13   the things that you know about me.

01:17:15   Right.

01:17:16   So it's like, oh, I have a book on voting systems.

01:17:19   Grey would totally love it.

01:17:19   No, I don't want that recommendation.

01:17:21   Like I'm looking for things that you think are interesting

01:17:23   that I might not have come across.

01:17:25   - And so like don't think about the type of book

01:17:27   that we would do on the Cortex Book Club.

01:17:29   These are not for that.

01:17:30   - Oh, for the love of God, no, no.

01:17:31   I don't wanna hear a single business book recommendation.

01:17:34   - So these are nonfiction books about things

01:17:36   that people have read that they found interesting

01:17:38   that have nothing to do with what people

01:17:40   would normally think you'd enjoy.

01:17:42   - Yeah, like I'm just looking for

01:17:43   what is interesting in the world.

01:17:45   And it is surprising, like the world,

01:17:48   Myke, the world is mostly a desert

01:17:51   and there's only tiny pools of interestingness

01:17:54   for us to find as humans.

01:17:56   - See you next time.

01:17:57   - Don't forget the trailer.

01:18:00   It's 1987 and Detective Jack Slade

01:18:04   and his partner Jetta Chang must take down a crime boss

01:18:08   and restore law and order.

01:18:10   This is Danger Town Beatdown.

01:18:15   (laughing)

01:18:17   - Oh yeah!

01:18:18   - Wow.

01:18:18   - Rated mature, 16 plus.

01:18:20   You're roused from sleep by neon lights

01:18:24   streaming in through your window.

01:18:25   It's 11.58 PM, time to start your day.

01:18:29   - Get coffee should be the first thing to do.

01:18:33   - Should we see what's on the answering machine?

01:18:34   - A voice says,

01:18:36   Slade, you're gonna pay for shutting down our operation.

01:18:40   We have your partner.

01:18:42   Bring us the tape. Come alone.

01:18:45   Uh oh.

01:18:45   [drum roll]

01:18:47   Open up! Let's talk.

01:18:49   The man kicks down the door.

01:18:50   Oopsies.

01:18:51   Oh god.

01:18:51   And enters, blocking the exit.

01:18:53   We did that thing again where we took too long.

01:18:56   He places an envelope on the table.

01:18:58   Consider this an advance to cover gas and tolls.

01:19:02   Oh, I'm slightly confused.

01:19:03   We're trying to be paid off. They want us out of town.

01:19:06   Ohhh.

01:19:07   Somebody does.

01:19:08   I'm so naive.

01:19:09   I didn't know, I didn't realize what was going on

01:19:11   in this arrangement.

01:19:12   - The badge is a Santa Marina police detective's badge.

01:19:17   Your badge.

01:19:18   The gun is a loaded Beretta 92S.

01:19:21   Your gun.

01:19:22   You're outside a rundown apartment building.

01:19:25   There is a strip club here.

01:19:27   How quaint, just like a Norman Rockwell painting.

01:19:29   There's a bright neon sign and the words,

01:19:32   Tiger's Den.

01:19:35   - Well, let's go to the strip club.

01:19:37   See that's some good detective work there, Myke.

01:19:39   You have to inspect the strip club.

01:19:40   - Mm-hmm.

01:19:41   All right, take a look at the wallet.

01:19:45   It contains a $100 bill and a California driver's license.

01:19:50   - Can we take that $100, Myke?

01:19:52   - No. - That's not the bribe money.

01:19:53   - We don't need the money.

01:19:54   - Can we take the guy's ID?

01:19:56   That seems like it might be useful.

01:19:58   It doesn't really feel like stealing.

01:19:59   That feels like evidence.

01:20:01   - Yeah, evidence.

01:20:03   - You know what would be evidence of bribery?

01:20:06   bribery money itself. That's not how that works, I don't think.

01:20:12   Some gang members loiter outside an arcade.

01:20:15   Gang members, okay.

01:20:16   I think they have little "Hello, I'm in a gang" stickers on them, something to identify

01:20:21   them as a gang member.

01:20:22   Yeah, I mean, how else would you know, right?

01:20:23   They're color-coordinated, that's how you know. They're all wearing pink, and that's

01:20:27   how you know they're in the gang. Wave to gang members?

01:20:30   They toss their cigarettes and head inside when they see you.

01:20:33   Oh.

01:20:34   (upbeat music)

01:20:35   - Are you trying to figure out how to ask him

01:20:37   if he's amenable to a bribe, Myke?

01:20:39   Is that what you're doing in this moment?

01:20:40   - I'm trying to figure out if there's anything

01:20:42   we can do other than bribe him.

01:20:44   - Ask O'Brien, can we take care of this in Fargo?

01:20:47   - I don't understand that.

01:20:49   - I thought that was like the code.

01:20:51   - I have no idea how you've gone from not understanding

01:20:54   the concept of a bribe to rolling out phrases like that.

01:20:58   - Why is this so hard?

01:21:01   - I don't understand.

01:21:04   Look around the room.

01:21:05   "Bosti draws a Smith & Wesson 38 Special, shoots you dead and escapes.

01:21:09   The end."

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