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94: State of the Apps 2020

 

00:00:00   December is an important time around here.

00:00:02   Cortexmas. Cortexmas season.

00:00:04   It's winter cortexmas, right?

00:00:05   It's both summer and winter cortexmases. They do have important parts to them. Like summer

00:00:12   cortexmas is WWDC time. Winter cortexmas. It's very traditional around here of winter cortexmas.

00:00:21   I like that you're getting on board this idea of seasonal cortexmas. I think last year I finally

00:00:28   broke your will a little bit for Cortexmas is all year long and this this

00:00:32   feels a little bit like you're coming up with a way to frame this for yourself.

00:00:36   This is as far as I am willing to go. There are two Cortexmas seasons.

00:00:40   Oh, there are two Cortexmas seasons. Okay.

00:00:42   But see, okay, so summer Cortexmas, that means there's gonna be a long break.

00:00:46   Right. Winter Cortexmas is just merely the celebration of the original Cortexmas.

00:00:52   Ah, okay. Winter Cortexmas is traditional Cortexmas.

00:00:56   Pretty busy in December. Yes, that is very true. And we start with State of the Apps.

00:01:02   State of the Apps. So in case anybody doesn't know what State of the Apps is, we've been doing this,

00:01:07   this is our third year doing State of the Apps, which was an idea that came from a blog post that

00:01:12   Gray wrote in 2014, where you went through a bunch of applications and categories of applications,

00:01:20   and kind of spoke about your feelings to the stuff that you're using, the things you would like there

00:01:24   to be the things that have surprised you, that kind of stuff, right? Like, these are

00:01:28   the apps that I use, etc. And then over the last couple of years, we've refined it a

00:01:33   little bit. And so we talk about apps that we use for productivity, apps that we use

00:01:38   for writing research, and then do a little lightning round. So that's what kind of what

00:01:42   we've established over the last couple of years. But I want to add a new part in to

00:01:46   state of the apps now, which we will do in years to follow, where we will share our home

00:01:51   screens, which I don't think we've done for quite a while.

00:01:53   That's a good place for it, yeah. That fits into state of the apps.

00:01:56   I figured it's a good time, right? Because we get to show these are the apps that we find that are most important

00:02:02   and then we can dig into some categories that lend themselves nicely to the show.

00:02:07   Yeah, that works really well. The apps that a person has on their home screen, it tells you what they're favoring.

00:02:12   It says a lot about the person.

00:02:13   Yes, it says a lot about the person. We all know that.

00:02:17   So I'm gonna go first because you're gonna have some weird s***, right?

00:02:20   Like it's gonna be some crazy thing you're doing.

00:02:24   Myke, Myke, Myke.

00:02:25   What?

00:02:26   Pro I promise you this.

00:02:28   You can go first.

00:02:29   Okay.

00:02:29   But I promise you.

00:02:31   There's nothing crazy.

00:02:32   It's it's very boring.

00:02:35   It's nothing crazy going on.

00:02:36   So you can, you can relax.

00:02:38   No, I'm going to share mine first.

00:02:39   I'm going to send you my iPhone and my iPad.

00:02:42   Oh, okay.

00:02:42   I have a lot of similarities, but the iPad does bad differences now, which I thought.

00:02:47   So I've sent those to you.

00:02:49   They're coming through over the wire, over the wire.

00:02:51   There shouldn't be anything surprising here.

00:02:54   I don't think it's always surprising the completeness of your home screen.

00:02:59   Like I forget how many apps a person can shove into one home screen.

00:03:04   And it's a lot.

00:03:04   It's it's it's a lot like this.

00:03:06   They give you the space for it.

00:03:07   The phone is a portal to applications.

00:03:10   That is all it's for.

00:03:12   Not filling up the home screen.

00:03:14   You're just making things more difficult for yourself, you know?

00:03:17   That's my new view on this and going into 2020.

00:03:20   #4homescreen. That's where I'm going in 2020. That's my new campaign.

00:03:25   Yeah, okay, I get it. I get it.

00:03:27   It's just a little shocking, that's all.

00:03:30   I don't normally see a homescreen that is this full.

00:03:32   No, my iPad homescreen isn't full, but that's because it's got tons of folders,

00:03:36   and the second screen is just games from Apple Arcade Games that I haven't tried out.

00:03:40   But my iPad homescreen is as full as I would make it.

00:03:43   The iPad homescreen is a bit of a different situation.

00:03:45   It's a different beast because there's a dock and all that stuff.

00:03:48   Yeah, now that we have iPad OS, the iPad is a very different beast.

00:03:52   So I'm looking at a beautiful grid wallpaper background on your phone there.

00:03:59   It's a cortex wallpaper.

00:04:00   Of course, there will be a link in the show notes to that.

00:04:02   Yeah, it's cortex wallpaper and you have filled every single slot with an app.

00:04:07   Otherwise, there would be empty spaces in a grid.

00:04:09   Who wants that?

00:04:10   No, an animal wants that.

00:04:11   That's right.

00:04:12   You've got four apps in the dock, full grid.

00:04:16   The one that actually, this is silly,

00:04:18   this is the one that catches my attention first,

00:04:21   is Reader at the bottom, R-E-E-D-E-R.

00:04:25   That is the one that immediately drew my attention.

00:04:27   - Well, this is new for Myke of 2019.

00:04:30   - Yeah, you mentioned a long time ago

00:04:32   that you were trying to go back to RSS.

00:04:37   And I think I'm sure past me said something like,

00:04:41   good luck with that, you know, let me know how that works out.

00:04:44   And then we haven't brought it up since.

00:04:47   And so this is why Reader is actually the first one that catches my attention.

00:04:51   Well, this is me letting you know that it is working out fantastically for me.

00:04:55   OK, tell me, tell me.

00:04:56   The main reason I'm using RSS and I use Reader and a service called Ino Reader.

00:05:02   There are a bunch of other services.

00:05:04   I don't even remember why I signed up for this one, but I have a year on it.

00:05:07   Right. So this is the one that I have.

00:05:09   It has reduced my reliance on Twitter as a source of news.

00:05:15   Because that's what I was using it for and that meant that I was using it more than I wanted.

00:05:20   So now I'm more mindlessly browsed Twitter again, which I'm way happier about.

00:05:25   Ah, okay.

00:05:27   And now with Reader, the great thing is, because of the way RSS works compared to trying to get your news from a social network,

00:05:34   the stories don't go away.

00:05:36   They just wait for me until I go to them.

00:05:38   So I may be checking on reader. I will check in on reader on average every couple of days

00:05:43   Unless I'm doing a show like I'm preparing for a show

00:05:47   Then I will go into reader to check that there's no news that I haven't missed. I have a very small subscription list

00:05:54   which just basically is like I have

00:05:58   the blogs of like my friends and colleagues that I want to read and then a couple of

00:06:03   websites for each kind of main topic area that I cover to make sure that I've got the news and I would say that like my I

00:06:11   believe the quality of research that I have been able to do for my shows has improved since going down this method

00:06:19   So I think it's actually making my shows better because I'm finding more

00:06:23   Interesting things to talk about then just what is what is everyone talking about today?

00:06:29   because it's on Twitter, like I find like, oh here's a story that's interesting to

00:06:33   me, let me talk about this one and so I think that that's been of a great

00:06:37   benefit. I do the vast majority of my RSS reading on my iPad, I also have it on the

00:06:43   phone. I like it so you know you got you when you've got those minutes to spare

00:06:47   right you're just like oh what am I gonna do, I'll just open Twitter. Now

00:06:51   sometimes I open Reader instead and I'm happy with that right like every now and

00:06:55   then it will be the thing that like I'm on a train it's like oh well you know

00:06:58   what I can be doing. I can be doing something that's gonna make me feel like

00:07:02   I'm being productive rather than just wasting time. And a lot of the

00:07:06   time it's just triaging the headlines, you know, like I'll find a headline, I'll

00:07:10   read the first paragraph and then I add it to an Apple note, which is like my

00:07:14   research note for each show, which I will then go to to read the article in full

00:07:18   when I'm doing the preparation for say Upgrade or Connected or this show.

00:07:23   That experiment has been a successful one and RSS 2019/2020 is back in my life, baby.

00:07:31   That's interesting to hear.

00:07:32   I think one of my concerns was about the widespread-ness of RSS support.

00:07:38   That was doubtful.

00:07:40   And so obviously that's not something that you've run into.

00:07:42   You feel like the place, whoa, okay, maybe you have, but…

00:07:45   There were some websites where I felt like I had to give them a stranglehold to get their

00:07:50   RSS feed.

00:07:51   there are some websites that I would like to have but I can't get their RSS feed so

00:07:56   I have to kind of just hope that somebody else is going to write up their story.

00:08:02   So like on one of my shows, Upgrade, which is mostly focused on Apple, we do a segment

00:08:06   called Upstream which is to like highlight the changes in streaming media technology

00:08:12   now that all of the major technology companies are getting into streaming video as well,

00:08:17   right?

00:08:18   It's like the next battlefield.

00:08:20   A lot of these outlets that report on this type of thing do not have RSS feeds.

00:08:27   I would like to give a shout out to Variety, which does.

00:08:30   I'm very happy about. Thank you, Variety.

00:08:33   Like the only website in this world that has RSS feeds.

00:08:36   It's also one of my favorite sources for this type of information.

00:08:39   This world is like any kind of news journalism world.

00:08:44   If a story is big enough, everyone will write about it, no matter who broke it.

00:08:48   So I get the majority of information that I need from Variety.

00:08:51   But now a lot of technology websites are also doing this reporting because they

00:08:55   are also realizing, oh,

00:08:56   we should also all be talking about streaming media now because it's where all

00:09:00   the big technology companies are going.

00:09:01   Okay. That's interesting.

00:09:03   This may be a dumb question because I'm now a user of neither of these things,

00:09:07   but why not use Apple News?

00:09:10   What is the reason for using RSS over something like Apple News?

00:09:13   Because Apple News will do all that possibly can to shove stuff that I don't

00:09:16   want to see in front of my face.

00:09:18   Okay, so it's the algorithmic part of it, as opposed to the reverse chronological order.

00:09:22   Okay, alright, that makes perfect sense.

00:09:24   I just want to choose the sources, right, and Apple News wants to give me more.

00:09:29   Plus, I like the user interface of Reader a lot more, it's more customizable.

00:09:34   It's a very nice iOS app, with lots of good gestures and stuff, so I like it for those

00:09:39   reasons as well.

00:09:41   Yeah, that was the last RSS app that I used, was Reader, and I really liked it.

00:09:45   It's really nice. This is version 4. It came out a few months ago, I think. It's really,

00:09:50   really good.

00:09:51   I remember it feeling very iOS-y, which is nice when you have an app that feels like,

00:09:56   "Oh, it's taking advantage of the platform."

00:09:57   It feels more iOS-y than Apple News does to me. At least what I consider a nice iOS app

00:10:03   to be.

00:10:04   I presume that another nice iOS app is Pipedrive there.

00:10:09   That dopamine hit. The tap tick that they have behind the button, you tap when you win

00:10:14   a deal.

00:10:15   Oh boy.

00:10:16   They coded that one just right.

00:10:18   I've said this before, but Pipedrive is a sales management tool.

00:10:22   I do advertising sales.

00:10:23   We track our sales through this tool.

00:10:25   But I will be, say, on my iPad completing a sale and I'll pick up my iPhone to press

00:10:31   the little button to complete the sale because the TapTick feels so good.

00:10:34   Okay, that's good TapTick design then.

00:10:38   That's really good.

00:10:39   It's like a little button and it feels like it has a click when it depresses.

00:10:43   And you know, when you press it down and it depresses is how it feels.

00:10:46   Like it's like a kind of feeling.

00:10:48   Oh, it's so good.

00:10:49   Live for that feeling, man.

00:10:51   Live for it.

00:10:52   Okay.

00:10:53   Wow.

00:10:53   That was, that was a much more positive response that I was actually expecting.

00:10:56   I thought I was mostly joking about your boring sales pipeline app.

00:10:59   It's super boring, right?

00:11:00   It's the same as air table.

00:11:01   We're using that for like tracking some sales stuff.

00:11:04   Like these are just, these are my boring apps, but they live on my home screen

00:11:08   because I use them all the time.

00:11:10   - Yeah, yeah.

00:11:11   Workhorses don't have to be the most exciting apps.

00:11:14   - If anything, a lot of the time,

00:11:15   you don't want them to be.

00:11:18   - So there's a lot of things that either I think

00:11:20   we're gonna talk about more in depth later in the show

00:11:22   or things that we have discussed before.

00:11:23   But another one that catches my eye here

00:11:25   is again at the bottom, right next to Reader, is Moodpath.

00:11:28   - I knew you were gonna ask about Moodpath.

00:11:30   - I don't know this app, and I also,

00:11:33   you don't have an abundance of badges.

00:11:35   You only have four apps that have badges.

00:11:37   messages of course, slack of course, todoist of course, and then there is mood path which

00:11:45   has a little one on top of it.

00:11:47   So that helps it stand out and makes it interesting to me.

00:11:49   So what is this mood path?

00:11:51   It is a mental health app is the easiest way to describe it and what it will do is about

00:11:57   three times a day it prompts me and say hey we have some questions for you and it asks

00:12:01   you some questions to check in on how you are feeling in yourself and it asks like really

00:12:07   probing questions that like, and that they ask them in such a way which is like really

00:12:11   interesting. And you have to answer if something is bothering you or isn't bothering you.

00:12:16   And depending on whether like that is a positive or negative response, dependent on the question,

00:12:21   if you give a negative response, it asks you like, well, how much does this bother you?

00:12:24   And you get to say like, extremely considerably slightly or not at all. So it's like examples of

00:12:29   questions that it could ask like, are you exercising at the moment? Do you have things

00:12:35   that are distracting you from getting your tasks done, all this kind of stuff.

00:12:38   It then analyzes your questions and you can actually write in it like a diary if you want to.

00:12:43   You can tag how you're feeling at certain points, so different emotions, and it then

00:12:48   generates reports for you based on how you've been answering over a week and stuff like that.

00:12:53   I have found it as a very good tool over the last few months to help me keep focused on myself.

00:13:02   because I don't do it three times a day, I do it once or twice a day. It kind of depends on

00:13:07   how busy I am in a day. So I leave the badge there so I will remember to do it. Again,

00:13:13   if I have a minute or two to spare, then I'll open it up and answer the questions.

00:13:16   It kind of analyses your responses and it will give you a report, like this is how we think

00:13:23   you're feeling and these are some things you should consider. And they have, I haven't done

00:13:27   done this stuff yet but they have meditation audio in there like you know

00:13:31   like Headspace mm-hmm it has some of that kind of stuff in there as well I've

00:13:35   really liked it it's not a difficult thing to do and it helps me feel like

00:13:42   I'm doing something for my mental health which I feel like a lot of the time I

00:13:46   have not really felt like I was doing anything unless I explicitly needed to

00:13:51   so this has been a nice application I've been using it for like three or four

00:13:55   months now pretty much every day. I like it. It's good. So you're saying that you

00:14:01   feel like the tracking is good for the mental health or are you doing the more

00:14:06   active stuff that's in the app? For me having the questions asked and me having

00:14:12   to answer them it's just interesting. Right? It's making me realize I'm

00:14:19   feeling things that I wouldn't have thought about unless somebody asked me

00:14:22   the question. I could maybe be like, "Oh, I feel like I can't be bothered to do anything

00:14:27   today. I feel lethargic or whatever." The mood path will pop up and it will say, "Is

00:14:32   how you're feeling affecting the amount of work you can get done?" And I'm like, "Yeah,

00:14:37   it is." So it's stuff like that where it's like, "Hmm, okay." And then answering, "How

00:14:45   much does this thing bother you?" is also interesting because there's some stuff where

00:14:49   It's like, yeah, this is affecting me, but I'm not worried about it because I know I'm having a tough day today or whatever.

00:14:54   So I think it's a very interesting implementation of an app like this.

00:14:59   I've found it to be a nice app to use over the last few months.

00:15:03   That's really interesting. I might actually give that a try because we've discussed journaling on this podcast a few times and

00:15:10   obviously, you know, one of the things about asking yourself questions at the beginning or at the end of a day and

00:15:16   Reflecting on that in writing is a good thing to do.

00:15:19   My questions always tend to be very tactical and explicit

00:15:23   about like, "Did you exercise? Did you not?"

00:15:25   And I've made some vague gestures in the direction of mood tracking,

00:15:29   but I always found it like...

00:15:31   just pointless.

00:15:33   I know that, "Oh, how happy do I feel today?"

00:15:36   "Three happy?" Like, I don't know.

00:15:38   You know, it just...

00:15:39   I've never found a good way to try to think about that.

00:15:43   And I feel like I would just be interested to have an app like that that's asking interesting questions.

00:15:50   Like, you sell it well of here's maybe a way that an app is trying to poke you a little bit about introspection.

00:15:57   It surprises me sometimes. Like, it'll ask me a question, I'll be like, "Oh, I haven't seen that one before.

00:16:03   What an interesting question to ask."

00:16:05   Yeah, see, that's a good sales pitch. Like, an app that can ask an interesting question,

00:16:09   even if it's not a mood tracker, is an interesting thing to bring in your life by definition.

00:16:13   It has mood tracking as well. So once you're finished answering the questions, it's like,

00:16:17   "How do you feel?" And then you tap one of the faces, you know, like, "Good, very good,

00:16:21   moderate, bad, very bad." That's how it ends the question round.

00:16:25   Huh, okay.

00:16:26   I like it.

00:16:26   Yeah, I think I might take that and give it a bit of a whirl.

00:16:28   It's free to start, and then you can pay for more features.

00:16:33   I also, you know, a man with so many brightly colored app icons has got to be happy all

00:16:39   the time.

00:16:40   You can't fathom.

00:16:41   I can't help but notice that with things like PCALC, excellent calculator application by

00:16:46   our friend James Thompson, or Carrot, you've chosen the clown vomit options for the color

00:16:54   schemes on those apps.

00:16:56   Very Myke, very on brand, but also just draws my attention.

00:16:59   I have the purple slack icon.

00:17:00   Oh yeah, the purple slack icon.

00:17:01   I don't remember if the purple one is the default or not anymore, but I go for the purple

00:17:05   one.

00:17:06   She can't know what the white one is the default one that sucks.

00:17:09   I didn't know that you could change it.

00:17:11   I think I'll have to change that.

00:17:12   They added that very quietly a while ago.

00:17:15   I think you can do black, white or purple because I noticed, Myke, that you are a beta

00:17:19   tester for some apps here and I saw that you had the purple and I thought maybe that was

00:17:24   a special mic feature.

00:17:25   No, I don't think so.

00:17:27   Okay.

00:17:28   Oh, look at that app icon.

00:17:30   Oh, thank God.

00:17:32   There you go.

00:17:33   You have changed the icon for Slack.

00:17:35   Changing lives over here today.

00:17:37   Honestly, we are.

00:17:38   I have never gotten used to the white Slack icon.

00:17:41   No, I never liked it.

00:17:42   It still throws me off.

00:17:43   It was like--

00:17:44   It's too generic.

00:17:45   Too generic, way too generic.

00:17:47   They're censored, pinwheeled.

00:17:50   It's like, it's too much.

00:17:52   OK, great.

00:17:52   Back to Obrigine for Slack.

00:17:56   Oh, this is great.

00:17:58   Myke, I really appreciate you sharing this home screen with me.

00:18:00   This is amazing.

00:18:01   I'm getting some real wins over here.

00:18:03   Do we want to move on to my iPad now?

00:18:06   Do you have any more questions about my iPhone?

00:18:07   I don't have any questions about your iPhone that I don't think are going to come up later.

00:18:10   I want to talk about your iPad.

00:18:13   Now here's the thing, just as a little bit of comparison.

00:18:16   Your iPhone, while it is shockingly busy, I can say it looks nice.

00:18:23   It's full, but it looks nice.

00:18:26   iPad, I can't quite say the same thing.

00:18:29   It's a visual disaster, I'm aware of that.

00:18:32   Yes, it's not a great look.

00:18:34   Because I actually think with iPadOS it is difficult to make a good looking home screen

00:18:39   now.

00:18:40   Yes.

00:18:41   But I don't care because it's so useful now, so it doesn't bother me.

00:18:45   I just want to get it on record that I can go with you here because iPadOS has increased

00:18:52   utility but any user is struggling with a real uphill battle about trying to make it look good.

00:18:59   The real thing that kills you is the way that folders look in iPadOS. It's just like they're

00:19:06   very busy, there's lots of stuff in them, you just have a bunch of little dots. So your iPad screen

00:19:11   is very ugly but it's not mostly your fault. Well here's the fun thing. So you see my artwork,

00:19:17   right, it's a logo, right, the upgrade logo.

00:19:19   Yes, the upgrade logo.

00:19:20   One of the many wonderful wallpapers available for Relay FM members.

00:19:26   The arrow of the upgrade logo is centered, because it's lining up with the two dots,

00:19:32   but the app icons are not centered.

00:19:34   Oh, okay.

00:19:35   When you use the widgets, the app icons, they don't have one that runs through the center

00:19:40   of the iPad anymore, slightly to the right.

00:19:43   Okay, so if you did not have the widget on the side, everything would be perfectly centered,

00:19:48   but because you do, it's not.

00:19:50   That's brutal.

00:19:51   That's absolutely brutal.

00:19:52   I try not to think about that one.

00:19:56   But yes, this is visually overwhelming.

00:19:58   It's just too many folders, too many things.

00:20:02   But it is nice to see that, like on iPadOS, you can now have the widgets pinned to the

00:20:08   side, which is such a nice, such like a huge win.

00:20:11   And so it's like, you've got your shortcuts, and you've got your timer-y buttons, and you've

00:20:15   got fantastical on the side.

00:20:18   And I think that this looks good, and it's like, I don't know how much of this you're

00:20:21   going to have blurred or unblurred for the final show, but it's interesting to see what

00:20:25   Myke does frequently, including turning on and turning off his fan through shortcuts.

00:20:30   Yeah, I have a really nice Dyson fan.

00:20:33   It's like one of their humidifier things.

00:20:36   And you can turn on and off the fan in shortcuts.

00:20:40   Okay.

00:20:41   frequent enough to get real prime center real estate there.

00:20:45   At the moment, I think so. There is a bit of a war about my fan in the household.

00:20:51   Oh really? Yeah, because the fan also heats up, right?

00:20:57   And I don't like the bedroom to be too hot. No, you can't have a bedroom too hot. Bedrooms

00:21:02   should be an icebox. There is another member of my household who

00:21:06   likes the bedroom to be hot. So I have to make sure I can turn that fan off as soon

00:21:14   as I hear it come on. In the general war of it. Because the fan is turned on when I leave

00:21:21   the room or before I come to bed, right? Like I'm tidying up in the kitchen and it goes

00:21:26   on, right? And I've got to make sure I can get that thing turned off.

00:21:29   I can, yeah, I understand the situation.

00:21:32   I think many of us are involved in a war of what is too cold and what is too hot.

00:21:38   Yeah, and it can be on either way, right?

00:21:40   Like, you may be in the cold side or the hot side, but there's always a war.

00:21:44   [laughter]

00:21:46   Yes, there is always a war.

00:21:48   Okay, well then that makes sense as to why it's right there in shortcuts.

00:21:52   So the moment your perky mic ears pick up the sound of the fan turning on,

00:21:57   You can just click.

00:21:59   I like the office to be warm, the bedroom to be cold.

00:22:03   That's how I am.

00:22:04   That makes sense.

00:22:05   Because you've got a big duvet, you know?

00:22:07   Yeah.

00:22:07   That's the point of the duvet.

00:22:08   That's the point of blankets.

00:22:10   Yeah, I'm with you 100 percent.

00:22:12   I agree. I agree here completely.

00:22:14   OK, a couple of other things are just catching my attention here.

00:22:16   What is Tripsy?

00:22:18   You have a little little icon there.

00:22:20   I don't know what that one is.

00:22:21   Tripsy was going to make my lightning round, but we can talk about it now.

00:22:24   It is a very nicely designed trip itinerary management app.

00:22:31   You think like your Trip-its, right, if you use Trip-it?

00:22:35   Okay, I'm not familiar with Trip-it, so I don't know what you...

00:22:37   When you say trip itinerary, what do you mean?

00:22:39   So with Trip-C, I will create any trip that I'm going on, vacation, work trip,

00:22:44   I will create an entry for it, and inside of that entry, I can add in a bunch of information.

00:22:51   I can add in all my flight information, I can add in the hotel that I'm going to be

00:22:56   at and it also has a catalogue of restaurants, locations, events, bars, points of interest

00:23:05   that I can then add as activities into the trip or the itinerary.

00:23:10   So I can say like, oh I want to make sure I go to this restaurant, I'm going to do that

00:23:13   on this day and it will create an itinerary of the trip.

00:23:17   So then I can have all of the information saved in one place.

00:23:20   So all of the places I might want to visit.

00:23:22   I can also save all of my documents in here like PDFs and stuff.

00:23:26   You can also send forward emails to an email address and Tripsy will suck in that information

00:23:32   for you and put it into the trip.

00:23:33   So like flight info, hotel info, and it will add it all to each individual trip.

00:23:38   I really really like it.

00:23:39   I've used it for a bunch of trips now.

00:23:41   Just as a way to collect up all the information for each trip that I'm going on in one place,

00:23:47   But then also add in any places that I want to visit and it all lives in one little home.

00:23:53   Hmm.

00:23:54   Okay.

00:23:55   Can you explain the benefit of this over a calendar?

00:23:58   I wouldn't put in restaurants I might like to go to as inspiration into a calendar.

00:24:06   Okay.

00:24:07   Okay.

00:24:08   So this is a place where uncertainty can live.

00:24:10   Yes.

00:24:11   As well as certainty.

00:24:12   So you can add something into the like restaurant section, but you don't have to say you're

00:24:17   you're going to it on any specific time.

00:24:19   But then when you're at the place,

00:24:21   I can then open up the app and be like,

00:24:22   what places do we think we might want to go to eat?

00:24:25   - Okay, hmm.

00:24:26   - I was keeping all of this stuff in Apple Notes,

00:24:29   just in like lists.

00:24:31   But this application is much nicer to manage it all,

00:24:36   in my opinion.

00:24:37   - Okay, this might not be the thing.

00:24:38   But does it have like a map feature?

00:24:41   Can you see things on a map?

00:24:42   - Don't think so.

00:24:43   - Hmm, okay.

00:24:45   Okay, so like I can go into each, say like I add a restaurant, I can go into each entry

00:24:50   for the restaurant and see it on a map, but I can't look at a map of everything, right?

00:24:54   That's what I think you're looking for.

00:24:56   Like you would say, show me a map of this location and you have like every point of

00:25:00   interest you've saved beyond that map.

00:25:02   Yeah, no, I can't see a way that you can do that.

00:25:05   Hmm, okay.

00:25:06   But that's, if you're out there, Tripsy developers, that's actually a really nice feature request.

00:25:10   Yeah, this is something I've been looking for for years and I used to do it in Google

00:25:15   And you can sort of do it in Apple Maps if you're willing to clutter up your Apple Maps.

00:25:19   Right, because then every restaurant that I've saved,

00:25:22   I could then open up and be like, "Which one of these is actually near me right now?"

00:25:27   Yeah.

00:25:28   Mmm. I like that feature idea.

00:25:30   Yeah, like this is this is what I've been looking for and just have not satisfactorily found.

00:25:35   Allow me to see a map with

00:25:38   everything that I have ever marked as interesting that's in a physical location.

00:25:43   Right.

00:25:43   I realize now I've forgotten to talk about one of the best features of this application.

00:25:48   You can share these itineraries with other people.

00:25:52   And whilst you need the application, I think you get some stuff free, but it's a paid app.

00:25:58   If you share the itinerary with somebody who doesn't pay for the app, they get all of the

00:26:02   benefits inside of the trip that you've shared with them.

00:26:05   Okay.

00:26:06   Share as in sync or share as in send?

00:26:08   Share as in sync.

00:26:11   So let's imagine me and you were planning a trip for our anniversary, which we just

00:26:15   celebrated.

00:26:16   Our friend anniversary.

00:26:17   Our friend-iversary.

00:26:18   Yeah, we celebrated with a text message.

00:26:21   We did do it though.

00:26:23   We observed it.

00:26:24   And so did many cortexes.

00:26:25   We got many messages congratulating us, which is very nice.

00:26:29   Thank you to everybody that did that.

00:26:31   I feel like I'm getting bullied into cementing a thing into being a thing, but okay, yes,

00:26:35   continue onward.

00:26:36   If there's one thing about me that you must know by now is I love a tradition.

00:26:40   Yes, I know you do.

00:26:41   So if we were going to go on a trip, I could create the trip.

00:26:44   I could say like, these are our flights.

00:26:46   This is the lodging and this is the restaurants that I wanted to go to.

00:26:49   I could then share it with you. You don't have to pay for it.

00:26:52   Then you can also add things to that trip and then everything is synced between us.

00:26:56   So you get all the information, I get all the information.

00:26:58   You can say, I want to go to this place. You can put that in.

00:27:01   I can say, I want to go to this place, I put that in.

00:27:03   And then we have a shared itinerary.

00:27:05   This is one of the other main reasons that I use this application

00:27:07   because I take a lot of trips with my wife

00:27:09   and we were able, like when we were going somewhere like for work or vacation or whatever,

00:27:14   I would share an Apple note with her and we always had so many problems with those things.

00:27:18   Yeah, yeah.

00:27:19   I don't know why and now it's like we have all that information shared between us and

00:27:23   Adina does like to do a lot of research for places that we go and so she can add

00:27:27   all of that information in and then I get to see it. Oh, it's really great.

00:27:30   Okay, I might try to play around with this because that again is a similar thing of,

00:27:35   I don't have a good place to put that kind of information.

00:27:39   Like if you see an interesting place that you might want to visit, or if my wife sees

00:27:43   an interesting place that she thinks might work for a trip, like where does that go?

00:27:47   Where does that information live?

00:27:48   There's no good place for that right now.

00:27:51   So maybe this makes sense.

00:27:52   And what I also like about this application is that it doesn't actually have to be a trip

00:27:57   for you to want to save information about a place.

00:28:00   So we have a trip in Tripsee for Tokyo because we really want to go to Tokyo one day.

00:28:05   And just as things come up, we save them into the Tokyo trip that we've created.

00:28:11   Right.

00:28:12   Yeah.

00:28:13   That's why if the Tripsee developers are listening, that's why I feel like I would want a map

00:28:16   as well.

00:28:17   Like that feels like a real killer feature of love.

00:28:19   Let me just see stuff.

00:28:20   A map of all of the points of interest and locations that you've added would be an excellent

00:28:25   feature request.

00:28:26   Boy, I feel you really, you really, you got a good batting average for things that are

00:28:30   new that I'm interested in, Myke.

00:28:31   I've been saving them all up.

00:28:32   I can't help but notice that you still have the white slack icon on your iPad.

00:28:36   I don't know why you haven't changed that.

00:28:37   Because I'm a fool, Gray.

00:28:38   I'm a fool who didn't notice.

00:28:41   I will change that immediately.

00:28:42   Yes, please do.

00:28:44   Just for consistency's sake.

00:28:45   You have Outlook and Spark.

00:28:47   What's going on with the wheel of email?

00:28:48   You've got two email apps here?

00:28:50   Outlook is where all the Cortex email goes to.

00:28:52   The Cortex brand email.

00:28:53   Right, okay.

00:28:54   So you're just using it to physically silo off all the ones.

00:28:56   I can't have that all in my regular email.

00:28:59   Okay. All right. That makes sense.

00:29:01   YouTube Studio?

00:29:03   For...

00:29:05   What are you tracking with YouTube Studio?

00:29:07   An incredibly successful YouTube channel.

00:29:10   Okay. All right.

00:29:12   That's all I wanted to just check in.

00:29:14   I wasn't sure if there was a secret new project

00:29:16   or something that Myke was keeping a real close eye on.

00:29:18   I don't know if we've ever mentioned on this show

00:29:20   the Cortex animated videos.

00:29:22   I'm not sure that we have, but people should go watch them.

00:29:24   go watch them. So every episode has a Cortex animated video which is

00:29:29   animated by the wonderful HeyChamberDay and it's every typically even a few days

00:29:34   I was posting the episode and they will pick out something that they have

00:29:38   enjoyed and they animate it and we put it up on our YouTube channel. So that is

00:29:42   youtube.com/cortexfm but I think you could just search Cortex.

00:29:46   Yeah just search for Cortex. Yeah they're very cute. Yeah they're really

00:29:49   cute. They're very very funny and they're very clever so you should check those out.

00:29:52   Okay, and you can track them in YouTube Studio.

00:29:54   Well, I can. Not everybody can.

00:29:56   [Laughter]

00:29:59   That one's just for me.

00:30:00   That one's just for Myke. That's a top tip for Myke, is he can track his own things.

00:30:06   Okay, do you want to tell me about any of these folders?

00:30:09   Because these folders are so overwhelming, I can hardly parse them.

00:30:13   And sometimes they have ambiguous names like just the Apple logo or Pencil.

00:30:17   Pencil is a folder name.

00:30:19   Alright, so the Apple logo is for Apple apps.

00:30:23   You know, like all the stuff you don't want to deal with, but it has to be there somewhere.

00:30:28   Can't you delete all those things now?

00:30:29   Doesn't Apple let you get rid of all of those things?

00:30:31   Yeah, but these are the ones that I don't want to delete, but I don't really have

00:30:34   a good place for them otherwise.

00:30:37   Like GarageBand?

00:30:38   You're busting out GarageBand a bunch on your iPad?

00:30:40   Hey, look, you never know, man.

00:30:42   Okay, right.

00:30:43   It's there because I needed it at some point.

00:30:46   Right, it's there in case of podcast emergencies.

00:30:49   Exactly. Pencil is just apps that I like to play around with that have good Apple Pencil support.

00:30:54   Right, so Procreate is in there, Notability and Good Notes, Linear, Pigment, the Coloring app,

00:31:01   like they all just live in there. Games and Entertainment should be pretty self-explanatory.

00:31:06   And then I have the folder in the Dock, right, which is just like these are the

00:31:11   tools that I tend to find myself needing in Split View a lot. So like Google Docs,

00:31:15   Google Sheets are in there, Things is in there, Word and Excel live in there, Evernote's

00:31:21   in there. We're going to talk about Evernote later on.

00:31:23   Good old Evernote.

00:31:24   Mmmmmm.

00:31:25   Mmmmmm.

00:31:26   We're going to get to Evernote. We're going to get to Evernote. Because this will conclude

00:31:31   one year since I started using Evernote again.

00:31:34   Right. Yes. Yes. The question last year's State of the Apps was, "Is Evernote the

00:31:39   solution to all of your problems with Cortex brand?" And I think we already all know

00:31:44   the answer to that.

00:31:45   you to- well, wow, but like what else would I be using? Right? We'll find out later on.

00:31:49   Maybe you've been sneaky. You've hidden it in plain sight on this home screen.

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00:33:13   All right let's move on to yours. I want to see your home screens.

00:33:17   See what horror will be for me.

00:33:18   You know, Myke, please. Let me send you my iPhone home screen.

00:33:25   Boop. It's coming to you over the wires.

00:33:29   I know because the people don't hear this but I heard your oh my god gray.

00:33:34   Yes, Myke?

00:33:35   My word.

00:33:36   What's the matter?

00:33:38   It's not even worth talking about home screens anymore with you.

00:33:41   You don't even have one.

00:33:43   I don't know what you're talking about.

00:33:48   I don't know.

00:33:49   What's the problem?

00:33:50   Would you like to do a quick plug for your wallpaper?

00:33:52   Like I did for mine?

00:33:56   I am using one of my Patreon wallpapers, which is the Solar System, which I think happens

00:34:01   to work quite nicely on an iPhone.

00:34:03   That's actually look really nice.

00:34:05   That's that's, that's actually a good wallpaper.

00:34:06   It looks really nice because there's a lot of space on my iPhone.

00:34:10   You might not want to use this if you have a lot of icons on your phone.

00:34:13   So you have used space to show just how much space is on your phone, right?

00:34:19   Like just blank, empty void.

00:34:22   Right.

00:34:23   But hang on a second.

00:34:24   What?

00:34:25   No, wait, nevermind.

00:34:26   Wait, hold on.

00:34:27   Hold on.

00:34:28   Okay.

00:34:28   What's going on here, Myke?

00:34:30   Nevermind.

00:34:31   Doesn't matter.

00:34:32   Ignore me.

00:34:33   I was listening to the second screen and I was like, "No, wait, that's just how phones work now."

00:34:37   The second screen is the first screen.

00:34:39   Yes, Myke, okay, so what Myke is looking at is a home screen.

00:34:42   I've just been simplifying my setup over the years.

00:34:45   Simplifying? There's nothing on it!

00:34:48   Okay, no, that is a slanderous lie.

00:34:50   There are five things on the home screen.

00:34:54   There's the four folders at the top and there's an icon in the dock.

00:34:58   And otherwise, there's nothing else on the screen there.

00:35:01   Myke was thinking I was pulling some kind of trick on him because of course iPhones

00:35:06   now always show these little two dots even if you only have one screen.

00:35:09   But that's just because there's the widget screen as well which just for completeness'

00:35:14   sake I will send over to Myke as well.

00:35:17   I'm sure that's nothing on it.

00:35:19   No, widgets are useful.

00:35:21   Widgets are handy.

00:35:22   Okay, I have a grievance.

00:35:23   Okay, what's your grievance?

00:35:24   We are currently running Cortex preparation as a timer.

00:35:28   We are fully prepared my friend.

00:35:29   We are.

00:35:30   We are in the show.

00:35:31   like we are in it.

00:35:33   - Yeah, no, I understand that.

00:35:34   What time was the screenshot taken?

00:35:36   - Oh, okay.

00:35:38   - This is hours ago, Myke, right?

00:35:40   The screenshot isn't, I'm not live screenshotting.

00:35:44   This was, I took a picture earlier today, so.

00:35:46   - Screenshots aren't actual time, are they?

00:35:48   - Yes, yes.

00:35:49   When you look at a screenshot,

00:35:50   it's not currently the way it looks on the phone.

00:35:53   Otherwise, no one would take or share screenshots

00:35:55   'cause it should be a window into whatever you're up to.

00:35:56   So that's not how this works.

00:35:58   I'm not trying to pull any tricks here

00:36:00   with this iPhone screen.

00:36:02   This is largely just a byproduct of,

00:36:06   for a ridiculously long time,

00:36:09   there was this bug in iOS.

00:36:12   And the bug was, if you pulled down on the screen

00:36:15   to search, like to type out an app

00:36:18   that you wanted to pull up,

00:36:19   instead of tapping on the icon on the screen,

00:36:23   I don't know, maybe like one in five times,

00:36:26   you would pull down and just nothing.

00:36:28   It wouldn't let you type.

00:36:30   it was, it just like crapped out on you, that like this little search feature didn't work.

00:36:33   It was baffling how long that bug lived.

00:36:36   It's just like, "Oh, this is just the way this works."

00:36:38   You just roll the dice, and if it comes up five, no keyboard for you.

00:36:42   You can't type anything.

00:36:43   So, that seems to have been genuinely fixed in iOS 13.

00:36:48   I seem to get a 100% success rate on that.

00:36:51   And the way I tend to use my phone is very much the way I tend to use my computer,

00:36:56   that I just don't really tap on or click on icons.

00:37:01   Just like on my computer, I'll do Command + Space

00:37:04   and bring up Alfred and launch an app.

00:37:06   On my phone, I'm very much in the habit

00:37:09   of just pulling down.

00:37:11   I have the little Siri suggestion thing

00:37:13   where it happens to recommend,

00:37:14   here's the four apps you're most likely gonna use.

00:37:17   - I find that to be very useful a lot of the time.

00:37:19   I have it expanded so it shows eight apps,

00:37:22   and I feel like a surprising amount of the time,

00:37:25   the app that I want is there.

00:37:27   - Yeah, so I have it expanded to show the eight as well.

00:37:31   It still drives me crazy that if you start typing,

00:37:34   there's no way to stop iOS from like searching the web

00:37:38   for current headlines of like whatever in the world

00:37:41   might be related to what you're typing.

00:37:43   Which is, it's crazy to me that there's no way

00:37:46   to turn that off, where it's like, you type the letter S

00:37:50   and it's gonna find some headline of something in the world

00:37:53   that like relates to the letter S and it's like,

00:37:54   Is that what I'm looking for or am I looking for Slack?

00:37:57   - I don't get headlines.

00:37:58   - It's like related websites and articles and things.

00:38:01   - Oh, okay, 'cause you can turn off news as an input.

00:38:04   But yeah, it will also search for like random web pages.

00:38:08   - Yeah, and very often it'll pull something from Wikipedia,

00:38:10   which is basically just an article about a current event.

00:38:12   It's like, thanks, thanks Apple, I really appreciate that.

00:38:15   But if you expand the series suggestion

00:38:17   to show you eight apps, it pushes that further down,

00:38:20   so you're less likely to see it, which is what I want.

00:38:22   the system that they're using to guess what are those eight apps is very good.

00:38:27   Like, I think a very large percentage of the time it's one of those apps is like,

00:38:32   "Oh yeah, that is what I want."

00:38:34   And so, the truth of it is, I just...

00:38:36   The way I use my phone, I just don't tend to use a super wide variety of different apps.

00:38:43   Or the way I use it is just very consistent.

00:38:46   I did a little thing a while ago where I was trying to figure out what app should I put on my home screen.

00:38:51   and I had made a bunch of shortcuts that were basically app launchers and time trackers.

00:38:58   Like, I press a thing and it starts a time tracker and it launches an app.

00:39:01   But I was also having them write to a spreadsheet about what is the frequency with which I actually

00:39:06   tap these things. And the truth is, like, the home screen icons, I just don't really tap them that

00:39:13   much. And so I thought, "Oh, the hell with this! Let me just get rid of them and I'll figure out

00:39:17   something later of what setup do I actually want.

00:39:21   And then I just never bothered.

00:39:22   Like, I've been really busy for the past few months and I just never sat down and really,

00:39:27   after iOS 13, decided, "Let me figure out exactly what needs to go on the home screen."

00:39:31   So this is what I've ended up with.

00:39:34   It's just four folders to hold four different kinds of things.

00:39:38   To-dos, messages, business-related stuff, and then everything else.

00:39:43   And that's how I organize my iPhone.

00:39:46   So there we go.

00:39:47   and simple. I knew there was going to be something. It's not, no but it's not, this

00:39:51   it's not something, it's nothing. So you actually just don't have a home screen

00:39:54   anymore? No this is the home screen. This is, this is a home screen. Yeah but you

00:39:59   don't, what I'm saying is you do not use it, right? You don't use the home screen. I

00:40:04   mean I need the little badges so I can see which apps are asking me how many.

00:40:09   Yeah so I can work out the 28 that's referring to apps in the folder which is

00:40:14   probably like to do and productivity apps.

00:40:16   Yeah, that's basically it's OmniFocus.

00:40:17   OmniFocus has 28 open items for today.

00:40:20   And then the next one over is that folder is reserved for messages.

00:40:23   And that's iMessage.

00:40:24   It's like there's seven iMessages in there.

00:40:26   And then what's the next folder?

00:40:27   The next one would be Slack if I had any open messages in Slack right now.

00:40:31   OK, so that's work stuff, work related stuff lives in that folder.

00:40:34   And then the fourth one is everything else.

00:40:36   Everything else just goes in there.

00:40:37   And what does the rocket ship do?

00:40:39   Oh, the rocket ship is just my manual re-implementation of Launch Center Pro.

00:40:43   I think. Yeah.

00:40:44   There's just a couple of little

00:40:46   things that I use that as a as like

00:40:48   a launcher for.

00:40:49   But honestly, I barely click

00:40:51   it.

00:40:51   But what happens when you tap that?

00:40:53   If I tap that, it gives me a couple

00:40:54   of options for frequently used

00:40:56   things.

00:40:56   But like, is it opening shortcuts?

00:40:58   Yeah, it opens shortcuts and it

00:41:00   pulls up a little menu of just a

00:41:01   couple of things.

00:41:02   So it's like a shortcut that

00:41:04   you've created, which is a which you

00:41:06   can do, like a shortcut which creates

00:41:08   a menu of other shortcuts to launch.

00:41:09   Yes, that's correct.

00:41:11   It's just for a couple of things

00:41:13   that I don't do frequently enough so that searching for them fails very often.

00:41:19   For example, it's like a template launcher.

00:41:21   So for templates for a new episode of Cortex, or for a new video, or for a travel checklist,

00:41:27   any of these things.

00:41:28   I don't do any of those regularly enough that the AI is going to guess what it is I'm trying

00:41:33   to do.

00:41:34   So I'll just use that to be like, "Launch a template."

00:41:35   They're not widget-worthy either.

00:41:37   Yeah, they're not really widget-worthy.

00:41:38   There's no point in having it on the home screen, I'm not going to use it that often.

00:41:42   But again, honestly, I don't really click that very much.

00:41:45   It's just sort of, it looks really dumb if you don't have anything in your dock.

00:41:50   Three icons is fine.

00:41:52   One icon is sort of okay.

00:41:54   But if you take them away and you just have this empty dock, it looks really stupid.

00:41:57   So that's partly why I have the rocket ship there.

00:42:00   So does one, though, really.

00:42:01   I know.

00:42:02   I don't love the one either.

00:42:04   But you know, I was trying to think about what would I put on either side of it.

00:42:07   And the truth is, like, I don't really have anything to put there right now.

00:42:10   So part of that is because some of the stuff that I used before, the little Timery widget

00:42:16   on the iPhone is really nice and has like taken over some of the use case that I used

00:42:22   to have for buttons on the home screen.

00:42:24   Yeah, because you had those to start and stop some timers, didn't you?

00:42:28   Yeah, that's what I used to use some of that stuff for.

00:42:30   So the Timery widget is amazing.

00:42:32   I think, if I remember correctly, you were beta testing Timery this time last year.

00:42:37   I was.

00:42:38   and I hadn't tried it yet.

00:42:40   And Timery as an interface for toggle is a really amazing app and its widget is fantastic,

00:42:46   so I use that all the time.

00:42:48   The widget is just a great way to primarily interact with Timery for here are the frequent

00:42:53   timers that I want to tap or whatever.

00:42:55   That's my iPhone.

00:42:57   Nice and simple.

00:42:58   Straightforward.

00:42:59   Show me the one that will be your iPad then.

00:43:00   The iPad is, again, simple, straightforward.

00:43:04   Now I feel like it's not gonna be.

00:43:06   No it is!

00:43:07   It's just like, okay, right.

00:43:09   It's iPad hasn't changed in forever.

00:43:12   Like you, I've added the little widget on the side, which is really nice in iPad OS,

00:43:15   but I've never put icons like on the screen.

00:43:19   I prefer to just have icons in the dock.

00:43:20   I genuinely think there are two ways to run an iPad now.

00:43:24   And it's either my way or your way.

00:43:25   There's nothing in between.

00:43:27   You either go like, put everything you can on the home screen, right?

00:43:30   Just because why not have it there or put nothing?

00:43:32   Yeah, obviously, I prefer nothing.

00:43:34   I like the look of it better.

00:43:36   The iPad I'm doing the screenshot of is the one that I use the most as like my research

00:43:39   buddy iPad of like here I'm working on a project and you know I don't want a million

00:43:45   icons on the screen there because I'm not going to use a million icons on the screen

00:43:48   there.

00:43:49   It's like this is mainly stuff that I want to have for research buddy kind of tasks and

00:43:54   the dock is perfectly satisfactory for that and I do really like being able to have on

00:43:58   the home screen the OmniFocus widget open nice and wide so I can see a bunch of relevant

00:44:04   tasks usually related to whatever it is I'm working on.

00:44:07   It's a very nice addition to iPadOS to have that widget on the side there.

00:44:10   So that's the iPad home screen.

00:44:12   Okay, I have a few questions.

00:44:14   Okay.

00:44:15   There is, you've got your little rocket ship, but you have what looks like a credit card

00:44:18   and a price tag.

00:44:19   What do they do?

00:44:20   Oh, um, yes.

00:44:21   You're right.

00:44:22   No, you are right.

00:44:23   I'm not there.

00:44:24   It's funny because it's just a muscle memory thing.

00:44:30   It took me a second.

00:44:31   Those are two different shortcuts that are set up to enter tasks into OmniFocus very

00:44:38   quickly in a different way.

00:44:40   So the tag is set up so it launches a little shortcut that will very quickly get like,

00:44:45   if I have a question that I don't want to pursue now about a video that I'm working

00:44:49   on but I want to be able to quickly just file this into the project related to that video,

00:44:54   I can hit the little tag.

00:44:55   And the little credit card one is a more generic, "Oh, I want to throw something into OmniFocus."

00:45:01   let me hit this, type some information, press a few buttons and have it automatically go

00:45:05   exactly where it needs to go in OmniFocus.

00:45:07   So that's what those two are.

00:45:09   But it's almost like a muscle memory thing.

00:45:11   It took me a second to think, what is the difference between those two?

00:45:14   Even though I use them a lot, I just sort of know.

00:45:17   But yeah, both of those are except input to be sorted into OmniFocus buttons that I'm

00:45:21   pressing there.

00:45:22   And I see there's an icon for an app called Dark Noise.

00:45:26   Yes.

00:45:27   I assume you've been using for your noise requirements?

00:45:31   Yeah, I was going to have this also for my lightning round.

00:45:34   I see it's ended up being there in the frequently used one, but yeah.

00:45:38   Dark Noise is a white noise iOS app.

00:45:41   I think I would describe it as kind of like the carrot weather for white noise.

00:45:46   It's incredibly well implemented.

00:45:48   It's super iOS-y. It takes advantage of plugging into everything that iOS does.

00:45:54   It has lots of different noise options.

00:45:56   Yeah, there's lots of different noise options. It works with shortcuts so you can automate it if you want.

00:46:02   I have a couple little shortcuts on the iPad for... I'm going into writing mode now, and it's nice to be able to

00:46:08   have those work with the white noise background. Like, say, just start playing Thunder noises

00:46:13   as part of the getting everything set up.

00:46:16   There's a really killer feature that some apps are able to do, and I never quite understand if this is, like,

00:46:22   an official thing that Apple allows, or if it's a hacky sort of thing.

00:46:26   But dark noise allows you to mix the white noise with other audio that is playing on

00:46:33   the system at the same time.

00:46:34   I don't know what they're using, but it's possible.

00:46:36   You can have audio from games and listen to a podcast at the same time.

00:46:41   But that's clever that they've implemented the audio in that way.

00:46:44   Yeah, so some apps have allowed this to happen, but I like how dark noise is extremely explicit

00:46:50   about it, and then also allows you to adjust the mixed white noise volume relative to whatever

00:46:59   the other audio is.

00:47:00   So the basic effect for this is it allows me to do the thing on my iPad, which is I

00:47:05   want to have noise in the background, you know, it's raining or there's wind or whatever.

00:47:11   I'm on a train, there's lots of options.

00:47:14   But also be able to listen to a song on repeat at the same time.

00:47:19   So that is the real killer feature of Dark Noise.

00:47:21   That's good.

00:47:22   I've got to give that app very high marks for a new app of the year.

00:47:27   It's incredibly well made.

00:47:29   I'm pretty sure it's a single developer who's made it.

00:47:33   It very much makes me think of Carrot Weather.

00:47:35   You are very good at what you're doing, you're providing a lot of options, so yeah, big thumbs

00:47:40   up to Dark Noise as a new app for this year.

00:47:44   The developer's name is Charlie.

00:47:45   They are a cortex.

00:47:46   Yes, well, I also looked at the custom icons, which I thought, "Oh, this person is definitely

00:47:52   a Relay FM listener."

00:47:54   Yeah, there are lots of Relay-themed app icons, which Charlie was very kind in asking if they

00:48:00   could use before they did them, which I thought was really cool.

00:48:03   That's how I found out about the app, because Charlie reached out and was like, "Hi, I'm

00:48:07   making this app.

00:48:08   I wanted to have these icons."

00:48:09   And I was like, "Ooh, this looks like a nice app.

00:48:10   I think Gray would like this.

00:48:12   Can you send me a beta for it?"

00:48:13   So I tried it out.

00:48:14   There's a few Cortex ones in there.

00:48:16   is a #mikewasright which is just very colorful, very colorful icon. My favorite, of course,

00:48:22   naturally.

00:48:23   Of course, of course. Yeah, so great app, really highly, if you like white noise, give

00:48:29   it a try. I think it's easy to say it's probably the best white noise app on the store right

00:48:34   now.

00:48:35   I would agree with you because it actually looks good.

00:48:37   Yes, some of them are ugly or I don't know, they try to be like these weird experiences.

00:48:43   They want to be more than they are, right?

00:48:45   Yeah, yeah, and yeah, so that's why it's really good.

00:48:49   Two thumbs up.

00:48:50   The Siri Shortcut support is so good.

00:48:53   You can just choose everything.

00:48:55   And I love some of the sounds that they have in this app, right?

00:48:58   Where like, keyboard is one of them.

00:49:00   Snoring is one.

00:49:01   The sound of a plane, which you must love when you're on planes.

00:49:04   Because I know you like that, right?

00:49:06   I don't know why you give me a hard time about that, Myke.

00:49:08   It's perfectly sensible.

00:49:09   I'm not giving you a hard time.

00:49:10   I'm just asking.

00:49:11   I'm just asking.

00:49:12   Yes, I listen to plane noise when I'm on a plane.

00:49:14   Yes, that is the thing that I do that helps isolate the sound.

00:49:18   The first time you told me that I thought it was madness.

00:49:21   I have since...

00:49:22   I understand.

00:49:23   I get it.

00:49:24   I get it more now.

00:49:25   So you don't lose your sense of place but you also don't have to hear things you don't

00:49:28   want to hear.

00:49:29   Yeah.

00:49:30   What are you gonna...

00:49:31   You're gonna listen to train sounds on a plane?

00:49:32   No.

00:49:33   You're not gonna do that.

00:49:34   That's just confusing.

00:49:35   Thunder sounds are terrifying when I hear thunder when you're on a plane.

00:49:37   The worst place for thunder.

00:49:39   That is also true.

00:49:40   Yeah.

00:49:41   So that's why you're gonna listen to plane sounds on a plane.

00:49:42   That's what you're gonna do.

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00:51:42   I don't really have any more questions about your home screen.

00:51:46   Yeah, no we can we can dive more into the like state of the apps stuff now.

00:51:50   So let's go into our categories then let's talk about productivity applications. So I'm going to

00:51:54   assume that at both of our to-do systems have remained exactly the same. You're an omni-focus,

00:52:01   I'm a to-do-ist.

00:52:02   Yes, this is category time now for State of the Apps.

00:52:06   And yeah, I was, I was reviewing all of my various apps and some

00:52:13   years are years of upheaval.

00:52:15   Some years are years of stability.

00:52:18   And I think overall, this has been a relatively stable year for me.

00:52:25   For most things, which is a small mercy, but so yes, when it comes to the

00:52:29   productivity category. I'm still with OmniFocus, also on the theme of stability.

00:52:34   Before Myke can even ask me in a joking way, they have still not added

00:52:41   Time Zone Support. Stable with regards to that as well. Stable and will not add the feature.

00:52:46   Time Zone Support remains very stable. Time Zone Support remains exactly as it is.

00:52:51   Unchanged in five years. We've been talking about it for five years. We've

00:52:55   been talking about it for five years. I believe, if I remember correctly, the

00:52:59   bug is first lodged on the OmniFocus discussion boards,

00:53:03   probably close to 10 years old now at this point.

00:53:06   And this is in case you're not following along the idea of fix some floating time

00:53:09   zones. I don't even want to explain it anymore.

00:53:12   So the idea being if you, if you travel, depending on how you work,

00:53:16   you will have a decision as to whether like a task should occur at the time you

00:53:21   originally set it at no matter where you are in the world.

00:53:24   So if it's 10 AM Eastern time, even if you're on Pacific time,

00:53:28   You want that task to fire at 10 AM Eastern time, right?

00:53:31   Cause it was, that's like when that thing must be done or as me and gray tend to

00:53:35   both like for the way that we work, because we will shift things around when we

00:53:39   travel. If I have a task at 10 AM in London,

00:53:42   I want it to fire at 10 AM if I'm in San Francisco,

00:53:45   I don't want it to fire at 10 AM London time because I'm sleeping.

00:53:49   So many applications like my friend todoist

00:53:54   will allow you to choose when you set up a task, which do you want it to be.

00:53:59   OmniFocus does not do that.

00:54:01   OmniFocus will just trigger those tasks in the local time that it was set, right?

00:54:05   It doesn't change them.

00:54:06   Yes.

00:54:07   I don't have hope, but I also do have hope because I think it's fairly obvious if you

00:54:14   follow the OmniFocus blog, which I do, that they have been adding more and more features

00:54:19   which are all pointing in the same direction of, you know, collaboration and shared OmniFocus

00:54:26   tasks and there's no way that that can remain unresolved.

00:54:30   I mean, I say there's no way, but who knows?

00:54:33   There's no way it can remain unresolved.

00:54:35   In preparing for this episode, I listened to last year's State of the Apps.

00:54:39   You were saying the same things.

00:54:41   Okay, well, they haven't released multi-user support yet, so, you know, I'm sure.

00:54:47   But anyway, it doesn't matter.

00:54:49   I have an incredibly hacky workaround.

00:54:53   I'm not going to reiterate absolutely everything.

00:54:55   If you want to hear how I use OmniFocus and why I like it so much, I think do listen to

00:54:58   last year's episode.

00:54:59   I talk about it in a big section.

00:55:02   I've been sticking with it all year.

00:55:04   I don't think at any point in the year have I even played around with trying to switch

00:55:08   to a different app.

00:55:10   And overall, I'm very happy with my OmniFocus setup.

00:55:16   And I will still always say that like OmniFocus, better than any app, does the thing that I

00:55:20   care the most about, which is I only want to see tasks that I can work on right now.

00:55:28   And it's like OmniFocus nails that feature of don't show me that, you know, tonight I'm

00:55:34   going to brush my teeth.

00:55:36   Only have that item appear when it's actually the time to do it.

00:55:39   And I love OmniFocus for that.

00:55:41   And that's why I stick with it.

00:55:42   Also, as I referenced before, you can really work with it in shortcuts to save a lot of

00:55:49   categorization time.

00:55:51   And so I really like that.

00:55:53   Having set up a bunch of shortcuts to say I want to put something in OmniFocus and have

00:55:57   it automatically go wherever it needs to go without me even needing to open up the app

00:56:02   is also like a really nice, really big deal.

00:56:05   So yeah, I've stuck with OmniFocus and I really like it and I'm very happy with that setup.

00:56:12   Sounds like you are still with Todoist.

00:56:14   Yeah, my to-do systems remain unchanged.

00:56:16   You may remember that I spoke in the summer about thinking I would switch over to reminders.

00:56:21   I've just decided not to bother doing that because Todoist has been making some nice

00:56:26   changes to the app over the year.

00:56:29   They're still working on an upcoming feature, which I also mentioned last year, of being

00:56:34   able to look at your tasks in a Kanban format, but they are, at the moment, over the last

00:56:40   few months they have been having some updates to the application which is called their foundation

00:56:44   updates where they're like working on the basics of a lot of stuff but in that they've

00:56:49   made some really nice design changes to the app that I enjoy greatly but things are really

00:56:54   nicely color coded they've added much much much better support for nested tasks right

00:57:00   so you could have a task and a bunch of subtasks so I'm now using that feature because it's

00:57:05   It's way better implemented both visually and from an entry perspective.

00:57:11   You can even really easily have subtasks and then subtasks inside of a subtask.

00:57:19   I really like the way that they've implemented that and so I've been using that to great

00:57:22   effect recently which I'm really happy about.

00:57:24   I continue to be happy with Todoist.

00:57:26   It is the right application for my usage.

00:57:29   OmniFocus, I could have work the way that I want but it's a lot more application than

00:57:35   And I need.

00:57:36   Yeah, OmniFocus is a very big guns heavyweight solution to the task list problem.

00:57:42   I don't use defer dates in the stuff that you're using.

00:57:44   And I feel like if you're not using them, OmniFocus might be too much for you.

00:57:48   Yeah, for sure.

00:57:49   But a lot of the stuff around to-do apps, this is how they're designed and if that

00:57:52   works for you.

00:57:54   I am still using things for my checklists for when I post Cortex and stuff like that.

00:57:59   Still using things for that because I like to have that off siloed into its own little

00:58:02   place.

00:58:03   Right.

00:58:04   cortex-specific, which makes me happy and I enjoy that quite a lot.

00:58:08   Actually I realized I do have to put just a little asterisk on that of like having not

00:58:14   tried anything else.

00:58:15   So Apple did this big redesign of Reminders, which is why you were discussing like, "Ooh,

00:58:20   maybe I'll move to Reminders for iOS 13."

00:58:23   And I played around with that a bunch just because I wanted to see, you know, what's

00:58:27   up, what's the deal with Reminders?

00:58:29   How you doing?

00:58:30   What's going on?

00:58:31   And it's interesting.

00:58:32   It's so much better.

00:58:33   It is so much better, it does have the feel of like a really well polished beta of like,

00:58:41   there's parts of it which feel a little bit to me like, "It's not quite, it doesn't, you

00:58:44   know, it's like you're 80% of the way there."

00:58:46   But I do think it's a nice big improvement.

00:58:49   And I've actually ended up using Reminders.

00:58:52   It turns out Reminders is mostly a solution for me now to a different problem that I've

00:58:58   always had, which is, I know, like, I hate to even say this out loud because people are

00:59:02   This is going to be another one of these things where everybody has like the app they want to tell you about.

00:59:06   But I've never really been happy with any of the apps that are designed to just make a list of how much information does a list app show you?

00:59:17   Does it have collapsible or non-collapsible categories? How can you sort the lists? How quickly can you get something into it? How quickly can you just see stuff?

00:59:26   Can I ask, what are you listing? Can you give me an example?

00:59:29   Easy example, movies to watch, books to read.

00:59:32   Right, like that's a list.

00:59:34   You don't want those in OmniFocus.

00:59:35   So this is the thing, I could do it in OmniFocus, it's like yes, of course, for OmniFocus,

00:59:40   like it's a trivial thing.

00:59:41   They don't even think about that.

00:59:43   But I also don't want to use the app in that way.

00:59:48   Like I want to keep it, this stuff is actionable, and a list of movies I might watch, it's

00:59:53   like yeah, I mean technically that's actionable, but I just don't want to start cluttering

00:59:56   it up.

00:59:57   Yeah, it's not the same kind of thing.

00:59:58   And so I've just, I've never really been happy with all the various list apps.

01:00:02   And so Reminders just so happens to like present things in exactly the way that I want in terms

01:00:09   of making a list of it'll, I can easily scan the list.

01:00:14   You can add a little note.

01:00:16   And so that note is always visible because of its nice integration with iOS.

01:00:20   It's very easy to hit the share button and say like add a web page to a list.

01:00:26   And so I've ended up using Reminders just as my list app now.

01:00:31   Or like one of the other things that I do is just for Cortex, of like stuff to talk

01:00:34   about on Cortex is just makes it very easy to add to that bottom of the list.

01:00:38   I think that's what the app is for, for a lot of people, is like that exact thing, right?

01:00:45   Like even a to-do list, that is a to-do list.

01:00:49   We do not have to-do lists, like in OmniFocus and Todoist.

01:00:53   It's way more than that, right?

01:00:55   - Yeah, it's project management more.

01:00:57   - Because like a typical to-do list doesn't have like

01:00:59   times and dates set to it.

01:01:01   It's just like these are a bunch of things

01:01:03   I wanna get done. - Right, multiple dependencies

01:01:04   on other people. - Yeah.

01:01:05   - Yeah, it's a whole different thing.

01:01:07   - And it is made really well for that.

01:01:09   Like that is what this, that's who this app is to

01:01:12   focus on in most people.

01:01:13   And you can make it do more.

01:01:15   Our friend Federico, he uses Reminders as his to-do list.

01:01:19   So he's OmniFocus now.

01:01:21   And I mean, he uses these tools as much as we do.

01:01:24   and he's found with various shortcuts and stuff,

01:01:26   like ways to make reminders work for him in that way.

01:01:30   And I look at it, I'm like, yeah, I could probably do this,

01:01:33   but I haven't really seen any feature that Reminders has

01:01:38   that would make me explicitly want to move.

01:01:42   The one feature it has, it doesn't work exactly how I want,

01:01:45   which is you can assign a person to a reminder,

01:01:50   and then the next time you're sending him an iMessage,

01:01:53   it can pop up in the iMessage window and be like,

01:01:55   hey, you wanted to talk to Gray about this.

01:01:58   But I want that in Slack, not in Messages.

01:02:02   - Yeah, yeah, that's true.

01:02:04   - If they let third parties plug into this,

01:02:06   I would move to Reminders.

01:02:07   'Cause that would be like,

01:02:08   that is something which is useful enough to me

01:02:11   that I would make the move for.

01:02:13   But like in Messages,

01:02:14   I don't have work conversations in Messages.

01:02:16   I have them in Slack.

01:02:17   - I agree.

01:02:18   That's a great idea,

01:02:20   but it needs to be more universal

01:02:21   to become a real killer feature.

01:02:23   So it was interesting.

01:02:24   Reminders has now found this place in my life as just a place to keep some simple lists

01:02:29   of some random stuff.

01:02:31   And I really quite like it for that.

01:02:33   And it's just like it's the correct information density and display.

01:02:38   And I do like that you can you can just have one level deep where you can have a little

01:02:42   expandable or collapsible section.

01:02:44   So I can look at Cortex and say, you know, write out a line that says state of the apps,

01:02:49   and then put a bunch of stuff underneath that.

01:02:51   if I want to like collapse all of that away and hide it and then show it later.

01:02:54   So it's it just happens to hit it hit this sweet spot really nicely of what I'm looking

01:02:59   for in a list app, which I was not expecting.

01:03:02   So that's that's a place that Reminders has found in my life.

01:03:05   When I have those kinds of lists, right, so like you said, like the movie list, the booklist,

01:03:09   they go in notes for me.

01:03:10   I make checklists in notes.

01:03:12   Yeah, I've tried that.

01:03:13   But like, I want a separate item for each thing.

01:03:17   I don't like the "here's a list" and these, it's a bunch of words all on one page.

01:03:24   I just like, I want separate items so I can easily delete them and get rid of them or

01:03:28   manipulate them or move them.

01:03:29   I don't want it as one unit.

01:03:31   It's very important to me that they're separate units.

01:03:33   Yeah, when I have to be editing text to remove them.

01:03:37   Yes.

01:03:38   Sure.

01:03:39   I get that.

01:03:40   That's a good point, I get that.

01:03:41   I do like in iOS 13 there is a feature which resorts checklists.

01:03:45   Right, yes.

01:03:46   So if you check it, it can go down to the bottom.

01:03:49   I think that's a really nice little quality of life feature for Notes.

01:03:53   Should we talk about time tracking?

01:03:55   Time tracking, yeah.

01:03:56   I think we're both very set on Timery as the front end for toggle, right?

01:04:02   Oh yeah, yeah.

01:04:05   Yeah, since I've had access to it, having it gone public, I use it completely as the

01:04:10   interface to toggle.

01:04:12   Another app with just fantastic shortcut support too.

01:04:15   That is the reason.

01:04:16   I took a lot of time off of time tracking in the previous year.

01:04:20   I just felt like this is not something I really wanted to do.

01:04:23   And I've been building back up my time tracking system over the last couple of months.

01:04:29   And the shortcut integration is fantastic.

01:04:33   So I'm just trying to build up all of these shortcuts that automatically do something

01:04:38   and also start a timer.

01:04:40   And it's just a million times easier than it used to be trying to put together URL schemes.

01:04:47   And Federico Vittucci did some amazing stuff with toggle and how to get it to work, but

01:04:52   Timer Remakes it just a million times easier to do.

01:04:55   It means I can build shortcuts on my own again without needing to try and work out how the

01:05:00   API works.

01:05:02   And I've been able to build this year some really shortcuts that work really well for

01:05:07   me.

01:05:08   which is just called recording timer.

01:05:10   And when I hit it, it sets my phone onto

01:05:13   Do Not Disturb for 90 minutes.

01:05:15   It looks at what is the most recent

01:05:18   or like upcoming or current calendar entry.

01:05:21   And then creates a timer

01:05:24   with the name of that show in the calendar as the tag.

01:05:28   I love it. I'm so happy with that.

01:05:30   And it works every single time.

01:05:32   Yeah, that's great.

01:05:33   Oh, while we're here, there's a little thing I'll mention

01:05:36   in terms of shortcuts because it's such a dumb little thing that I've made for myself,

01:05:41   but one of my little time tracking ones is something I call WorkWalk.

01:05:46   So if I'm working on a project and I feel like I just need a quick mental break, I started

01:05:52   a shortcut called WorkWalk, which uses Timery to begin a time tracker that says like, "You're

01:05:57   going for a walk now."

01:05:58   But it also uses an app called JustTimers.

01:06:04   of Do, like this is a new app in my system here, and Just Timers has great shortcut support

01:06:09   as well to do this same thing that Do does of "I want a timer that also nags me."

01:06:15   Oh great, what is this? Will you tell me about this? Come on, what is this application all

01:06:20   about?

01:06:21   It is very Do-like, but it's Do with very good shortcut support. We've mentioned Do,

01:06:26   D-U-E, many times over many years on the show, but one thing that it doesn't have is great

01:06:31   Siri shortcut support and just timers will do the same kind of thing.

01:06:36   It'll do like nagging reminders.

01:06:38   And so like, it's just the simplest shortcut in the world, but it's like,

01:06:42   I'm going for a work walk, start the timer to track that I'm going for a walk

01:06:47   and also begin a 22 minute timer that will harass me at the end.

01:06:53   Because the thing about a work walk is I don't want to get stuck in walking

01:06:58   around too long thinking about the thing.

01:07:00   It's like, this is a break.

01:07:02   Think about something and come back.

01:07:04   And so like when this timer goes off, you should return to where

01:07:08   you're working and get back to work.

01:07:10   This is not like you're just going to wander around for awhile.

01:07:12   So, um, I really like, it's so simple, but I really like this.

01:07:16   Just, just do two things at once.

01:07:18   And I don't have to think about either of them.

01:07:20   And, you know, I use that like once a day when I'm busy working.

01:07:24   And so it's, it's great.

01:07:24   It's really nice to have a couple of things that have shortcut support.

01:07:27   I need to look at this.

01:07:28   I never thought that there would be a contender for dew, so has it replaced dew for you?

01:07:33   Yeah, I would say at this point it's basically replaced dew, but because I don't use the

01:07:39   like to-do reminders part, like I use dew entirely in terms of timers.

01:07:45   What do you mean the to-do reminders part?

01:07:46   I always forget because it's like these two different things where... yeah there's like

01:07:51   reminders and there's timers in dew.

01:07:54   Oh, okay, because I use it more in the reminders.

01:07:57   So like, I have like a daily reminder to do the washing up, because I don't have a dishwasher

01:08:02   still.

01:08:03   And so it will remind me every day, but then give me the nagging reminder.

01:08:07   Right.

01:08:08   So, Just Timers, as the name implies, is Just Timers.

01:08:12   Okay, so this isn't for me.

01:08:14   Yeah, it doesn't have the reminders section.

01:08:16   There are two things that I use as reminders in Do, which is basically the stuff that like

01:08:22   harasses me to go to sleep. But other than that, I don't really... I'm mostly using

01:08:28   just timers now for the actual timers.

01:08:30   Okay, so it won't replace you. Nothing will replace you. Ever.

01:08:35   It's a real workhorse again.

01:08:38   Project management. Now this is where I've included Evernote. Because I think it feels

01:08:44   like that's the project management application we would use.

01:08:47   This is where I want to get the answer to what's going on with Evernote.

01:08:51   Before we get that answer, I'm naturally assuming that Evernote has remained consistent as a

01:08:56   research tool for you.

01:08:58   Yes.

01:08:59   Nothing's changing it.

01:09:00   Nothing has changed.

01:09:01   And I will give Evernote credit here, where it's a pain in the butt.

01:09:06   We said last year it felt a little bit like Evernote was trying to turn this battleship

01:09:11   around a little bit maybe, you know, less socks, more bug fixes.

01:09:18   And I would not say that they have turned the ship, but it feels like it is turning

01:09:25   ever so slowly in the right direction.

01:09:28   So there's still many things that I could complain about with Evernote, but I can say

01:09:32   that their releases over the last year, I've noticed less frustration with the app over

01:09:41   time.

01:09:42   So there's nothing to report to say, "Oh, there's amazing new features and I totally

01:09:46   love it, but I can say that I'm much less frustrated with some of the ways that Evernote

01:09:50   works.

01:09:51   And yes, I'm still 100% in on Evernote.

01:09:54   It has features that other apps, even Microsoft OneNote or Devant Think just simply don't

01:09:59   replicate for me.

01:10:00   So yeah, Evernote is very secure as the oldest iOS app that I still use on my devices.

01:10:10   So last year, the state of the apps, I came to the realization that for projects related

01:10:15   to Cortex brand and the theme system, I wanted to have a place where a few things were solved.

01:10:21   Where I could have some notes and some outlines and some documents that I were keeping around

01:10:25   ideas and thoughts and some admin stuff, you know, keeping track of some basic financial

01:10:30   things, but also a place to put inspiration and save PDFs of stuff and all that kind of

01:10:36   stuff, right?

01:10:37   Evernote is made for like a real kind of catch-all of all types of media right

01:10:43   right and that was like a perfect thing for it it could also share notebooks if

01:10:47   you have wanted to share them with people I get you know made the perfect

01:10:51   sense that's why I came to the shocking realization that I needed Evernote but

01:10:55   enough is enough I can't I can't use it anymore

01:10:59   why why Myke there is one reason and it feels petty but I've experienced this

01:11:05   this too much over the last year.

01:11:08   No petty complaint that's too small to stop a man from using an app.

01:11:11   So something I do quite frequently is to go in and I update a very simple list that I

01:11:18   just need to go in once every couple of times a month to add items onto this list.

01:11:23   It's just a text list, right?

01:11:25   I open the list and it refreshes.

01:11:28   It flashes to white and then comes back.

01:11:32   Why are you doing this?

01:11:33   Evernote is loading like a locally cached version and then in the process of checking to see if there's an update it blanks out for a

01:11:39   Second and then comes back. There are a couple of things that are happening here one

01:11:42   This is a text list right this text list should be saved in the app natively

01:11:48   You shouldn't need to do anything else - I run my app in dark mode. I do not expect to have my retinas

01:11:54   By this white screen and also you were getting in the way every time I open the app, right?

01:12:00   I open the note, I see the text that I want it to be.

01:12:03   As soon as I tap to enter the cursor, it flashes white

01:12:08   and then comes back and loads at the top

01:12:10   and then scrolls to the bottom.

01:12:11   I have experienced this too much.

01:12:13   So Gray, I have moved to an application

01:12:17   to which many QuaTexans will rejoice

01:12:20   when they hear the name.

01:12:22   - Okay.

01:12:23   - I have moved all of this information to Notion.

01:12:27   Oh, there are some real Notion fans out there.

01:12:31   The Notion fandom is too much for me.

01:12:33   But Notion...

01:12:36   What do you think of Notion?

01:12:38   It does everything I want, just as well as Evernote.

01:12:41   And the things that frustrate me, it doesn't do.

01:12:45   Right.

01:12:45   So I'll tell you, the import... unbelievable.

01:12:48   They have a native importer.

01:12:51   They give you $10 in credit.

01:12:53   It's like $5 or $10 in credit.

01:12:55   If you sign up for the plan or whatever, you can give all these companies money eventually, right?

01:13:01   But if you import from Evernote, they give you credit, which I think is kind of hilarious,

01:13:05   right? Because a lot of Notion's proposition, I think, is we are better than Evernote.

01:13:10   - That is a great idea to give you credit for imports like that. That's a really clever idea.

01:13:16   - But like, you know, because you can, I think it's like, it's free as an individual,

01:13:19   you pay for a team account or something like that. I think that's their business model.

01:13:23   but it does all of the stuff that I would want. Of course it presents things differently,

01:13:29   you know, because it's kind of like a really interesting mix of like a note-taking application

01:13:36   and like a personal wiki, like you can link things together, but it's also a collaboration tools

01:13:44   and like checklists and you know it is a very Evernote, you think you build tables in it really

01:13:51   easily but for what I need it to be which is a place where I can save stuff

01:13:56   it has a web clipper right it has a web clipper and you can do it on iOS and on

01:14:00   the Mac and it can very easily save articles save lists of things save PDFs

01:14:07   it does all of it it looks nice it feels more modern it doesn't have the hang-ups

01:14:12   that I have of Evernote like if when I go into adding items to this list it

01:14:18   It just loads.

01:14:21   Everything can be tagged.

01:14:23   You can assign things.

01:14:24   You can use emoji everywhere if you want to, but I'm not right now.

01:14:28   Because I've only been using Notion for a week at this point.

01:14:33   It is not perfect, but it is better at what I need right now than Evernote is.

01:14:40   And I didn't go straight from Evernote to Notion.

01:14:43   I stopped off at Basecamp for five minutes along the way.

01:14:46   Oh, Basecamp.

01:14:47   Wow.

01:14:48   of what I want and then move straight to Notion.

01:14:50   Wow, Basecamp.

01:14:51   I haven't heard about Basecamp since Web 2.0.

01:14:53   They're, you know, they're trundling along.

01:14:55   They did a cool thing recently.

01:14:56   They have like a free plan now for single users and they have a version 3.

01:15:01   Oh yeah, I'm not saying that they don't exist, but it's just, it's like, that's a name I

01:15:04   haven't heard in a long time is Basecamp.

01:15:07   But I thought, oh, Basecamp might work, but no, it's just, it's too much.

01:15:13   It's too focused on you have a big team.

01:15:16   that's not what I have. So yeah, I really think that I mean, I'm going to keep playing around

01:15:25   more with Notion because I actually think it has even more to offer to me. But like,

01:15:30   it is 100% a better tool for me for doing what I need than Evernote is.

01:15:34   Yeah, it's interesting to hear you say that I played around with Notion. And like, I can just

01:15:42   Sometimes you know with a tool, like, "This is not for me."

01:15:45   And it's hard to pin down exactly why, but you just get that sense.

01:15:49   It's like, Todoist, even if I spent a million hours in it, it's like,

01:15:52   "This, the way this is designed, this is just isn't for me. It doesn't work with my brain."

01:15:57   But Notion is obviously really powerful for the people who use it.

01:16:01   YouTube colleague of mine, Thomas Frank, who is always showing me what he does in Notion,

01:16:06   and he has a couple of YouTube videos about it, like, he runs his whole channel off of Notion.

01:16:11   It is crazy how much he gets out of this.

01:16:16   When you search Thomas Frank on YouTube, the third answer is Notion.

01:16:19   Right, there you go.

01:16:21   I'm gonna say he may be top 0.01% of Notion power users.

01:16:29   It's very impressive what he does with it.

01:16:30   You go watch his videos and you'll be amazed.

01:16:37   So it is a very powerful tool and it is a little bit of like an everything all in one tool.

01:16:43   It's interesting to hear that that's where you've gone from Evernote.

01:16:47   Yeah and I want to dig into it a little bit more. I wondered if it could be,

01:16:51   like it could replace some of the stuff that I do in Notes but like we're gathering research for

01:16:56   shows but it doesn't really work in the way that I want with that but it is an interesting app.

01:17:01   It's one that I've kind of like thought to try out a bunch and then I was kind of turned off

01:17:05   buy the fandom. Just too much, you know? And so then, I was like, "Ah, no one's out there,

01:17:13   but whatever, whatever." And I was like, "No. I've had enough of it, though. I need to explore

01:17:18   what's out there." So I spent a day, try out Basecamp, tried out Notion, and Notion's where

01:17:23   I'm gonna stick for now.

01:17:24   Yeah, I think Notion has such an intense fandom because, again, the impression that I get

01:17:29   from what I've been shown about it is that it really rewards you for the more stuff that

01:17:34   you put into it. And so that's why you end up with really super users who like, this

01:17:39   is the absolute center of their life in terms of both the dashboard for actions and the

01:17:44   place where research is stored. And so yeah, I think it's that kind of app.

01:17:48   And I think that is like core to it is the idea of like, you can build your own Wiki,

01:17:53   you can link everything together in this application, which is a very interesting thing. So I want

01:17:57   to play around with it more.

01:17:59   Yeah, everything can link to everything else, which seeing a demonstration of it, like threw

01:18:03   me back to org mode and Emacs, which I used to use.

01:18:06   And, but like, once you get into this idea of everything is linkable to everything

01:18:11   else, like you can really create a whole world and where you can jump between

01:18:15   projects and actions and reference very quickly.

01:18:17   So yeah, I think if people are looking for productivity tool, it's definitely

01:18:21   something to check out and just see like, Oh, does this, does this feel like a tool

01:18:25   for you?

01:18:25   Because if you like it, you might be one of the people who really likes it.

01:18:30   Communication.

01:18:31   Slack and email.

01:18:32   I think of the two here, right?

01:18:34   Like that's where we're going.

01:18:36   - Yes, Slack and email.

01:18:37   This is how the world turns.

01:18:39   - So I guess one of the things that's changed

01:18:41   since last year is we now have a Slack.

01:18:44   Cortex brand has a Slack.

01:18:46   - We do have our own Slack.

01:18:47   - We're at that point in our company's life

01:18:49   where it needs its own Slack like all good companies do.

01:18:52   - Yes, of course.

01:18:53   How else could we talk to each other about the company?

01:18:56   We're not gonna use iMessage.

01:18:57   We're not gonna pollute our personal mode of communication

01:19:01   with work communication.

01:19:03   So we need another Slack.

01:19:04   - Yep. - There we go.

01:19:05   - My situation is mostly unchanged, right?

01:19:11   Slack for all work communication and Spark for all email.

01:19:15   And again, Spark has gotten better in some ways

01:19:20   as an email application,

01:19:22   but no email app will ever be good.

01:19:25   But the service underneath Spark,

01:19:27   the fact that I can share email messages

01:19:30   with people on our team.

01:19:31   I can share them directly with our sales manager.

01:19:34   Makes it a tool that I can't give up.

01:19:37   I love it, the way it works like that.

01:19:38   We can have conversations in line about emails.

01:19:41   I can delegate.

01:19:42   I can share them.

01:19:43   It's fantastic.

01:19:45   I'm very, very happy with that.

01:19:47   - So last year I was complaining about this problem

01:19:49   with Slack of feeling like I have a very hard time

01:19:52   keeping track of the conversations in Slack.

01:19:54   Like when you start getting lots of Slacks,

01:19:57   I just find something about both the interface and my desperate desire to not have this open

01:20:04   all the time and to only go and check sometimes.

01:20:06   It makes it very easy to lose stuff.

01:20:08   So my solution to this right now is, and that's been developed over the past year and has

01:20:13   worked pretty well, is Dropbox Paper.

01:20:17   So Dropbox Paper, it's just like Google Docs.

01:20:20   It's just a place where you can write stuff.

01:20:23   But I've ended up with Slack and with the people that I work with trying to be very

01:20:28   clear about Slack is not an information repository.

01:20:34   Slack is a communication tool.

01:20:36   So Slack is instant message.

01:20:38   And then Dropbox paper is where the projects, the like communal projects live.

01:20:47   So like, here is a video, here's all the things that need to be done about a video or, you

01:20:52   between my assistant and I, like, here is all the administrative stuff.

01:20:56   What does she need to do? What do I need to do?

01:21:00   And, like, is this project open or closed?

01:21:03   So I've tried to make it very clear, this distinction,

01:21:08   and that has helped me a lot with just trying not to lose stuff.

01:21:13   Of like, paper is what is happening, what is open, what is done,

01:21:20   And then Slack is talking about those projects, but it is not like, this is not

01:21:26   the place where a checklist should live.

01:21:29   And it's, that's worked pretty well.

01:21:32   Those edges aren't perfectly hard, obviously, because there's always a

01:21:36   little bit of bleed here and there.

01:21:38   But I've ended up really liking Dropbox paper simply because, you know, the

01:21:42   people I work with, most of them are shared on like my company Dropbox account.

01:21:46   and you can just @ message someone in a shared document and they will get a notification

01:21:53   through Dropbox that there's something waiting for them in this shared Dropbox paper document.

01:21:58   So just because of that little feature has made it really useful for me.

01:22:03   That is a really interesting system you built for yourself there instead of using Slack.

01:22:08   But I get why, because there's more permanence to the stuff that's going in those lists.

01:22:13   Yes, it's the permanence of it.

01:22:15   Slack just feels like this river, and that's fine, like a river is what you want for communication,

01:22:21   but for stuff that is assigned for me to do from my assistant, like I will see a little

01:22:27   red dot appear on the Dropbox icon on my Mac, which means like, "Oh, she's tagged me in

01:22:31   something in paper."

01:22:33   This is a to-do that I need to get to at some point, like something I need to personally

01:22:36   handle.

01:22:37   In theory, I really would like to use something like OmniFocus for that in the future, but

01:22:43   But obviously that is not an option right now.

01:22:46   And Dropbox Paper really does have this big advantage that, sort of like Notion, you can

01:22:52   throw anything in there.

01:22:54   You can throw in relevant screenshots, or here's a PDF of a document that you need to

01:23:00   sign, or whatever.

01:23:01   So it's free form-ness is a real advantage over something that's like a shared task list.

01:23:08   Do you have it tying into Slack in any way?

01:23:10   I don't.

01:23:11   I don't have it tying into Slack.

01:23:13   I know that you can, I've just never felt the need to do any of those integrations.

01:23:17   I mean, I don't know if you can do this, but it would seem like interesting that you could

01:23:20   maybe add something to a Dropbox paper document from inside of Slack would be kind of cool.

01:23:26   Right.

01:23:27   Okay.

01:23:28   So yeah, I know those integrations exist, like you can do that kind of stuff.

01:23:31   But I actually think that there's a benefit in the little bit of friction to going over

01:23:37   to Dropbox paper and then thinking, okay, how do I actually want to format this in a

01:23:41   sentence for the like future me to remember as opposed to just saying like, oh, what did

01:23:46   I happen to type in Slack? Oh, that's a great to do added to paper. Like I just, I think there is

01:23:52   a benefit in the separation a little bit, but I do know that there are integrations like that that

01:23:56   work, but yeah, so I'm going to highly recommend Dropbox paper for a useful free form area to keep

01:24:05   track of stuff that a group is working on. I've really liked it as an addendum to Slack,

01:24:11   that these two tools work together very well for me.

01:24:14   E-mail?

01:24:16   I'm still doing the same thing I was doing last year, which is how infrequently can I

01:24:20   possibly open e-mail, that's how often I'll open it. So yeah, I do e-mail as infrequently

01:24:27   as I possibly can, and I've moved almost everything that is of serious value into Slack in some

01:24:34   So email has become a bit of a strange space for me at this point.

01:24:38   I do want to try to...

01:24:41   I'll just say for now, we'll see what happens next year.

01:24:44   I do have some thoughts about trying to be more regular with email.

01:24:48   I think there is a way that that can be useful to me in the future.

01:24:52   But for now, I really haven't changed anything with the way I run email,

01:24:56   which is basically like as infrequently as possible.

01:24:58   What a world you live in, my friend.

01:25:00   I know, but this is where hour or two live is made diverge the farthest of almost anything.

01:25:07   I mean I could not do email but then I would be on this street very soon.

01:25:10   Yeah, exactly, that's what would happen to you.

01:25:13   That's not how it works, I mean I'm afraid.

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01:26:31   Should we talk about writing and research?

01:26:32   Yeah, what are you using as your primary writing tool, Myke?

01:26:36   Notes, probably.

01:26:37   Notes?

01:26:37   I mean, I've already spoken about Apple Notes as like the place where I keep my research items,

01:26:43   right? For stuff that eventually goes into Google Docs, which is where all my show...

01:26:46   I mean, that's honestly Google Docs is where the majority of my writing would go

01:26:50   because that's where I'm doing show prep. Right.

01:26:53   Oh, OK. So actually, here's a question.

01:26:55   Did you use Apple Notes to write your drafts

01:26:59   for the instructions for the theme system journal?

01:27:01   Right. Like that's a that's a oh, that's like a thing that you had to write out.

01:27:05   Where did you write that? I used Bear.

01:27:08   Oh, interesting. OK. For those.

01:27:10   Yeah, that all went into Bear. Bear is just like, you know.

01:27:16   It's fine. It's a nice app. It looks pretty good and it has pretty decent

01:27:23   Markdown support, right? Or at least you can export things in a nice Markdown way.

01:27:29   If I'm going to do some writing, then Bear is the app that I will use for that.

01:27:33   There are better applications for writing in Markdown than Bear, but it's just one that I have

01:27:39   and will use from time to time because I write long form things so infrequently,

01:27:44   but Bear does the job for me in those instances.

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01:27:47   Hmm. Okay. Interesting. Yeah, because I'm just trying to think of...

01:27:50   It's a good question.

01:27:51   Yeah, of things that you've written that feels like a serious thing that you wrote,

01:27:54   and I was wondering what you used to use it.

01:27:56   Yeah, they are the most words that I have committed to something in the last year, right?

01:28:01   That's like outside of like a show outline, like this prose. Sorry,

01:28:05   it's the most prose that I've written.

01:28:06   Yes.

01:28:07   So you were using Scrivener...

01:28:09   Yes.

01:28:11   ...last year. Has Scrivener remained?

01:28:13   Okay, so now that we're a year later, I can talk about the context of some of the things that I was working on.

01:28:19   The Billup video that went out, the Christopher Billup race around Staten Island video,

01:28:24   and the American Indians video that just went up recently.

01:28:28   Like, I've had more projects that are very involved and over very long periods of time.

01:28:37   And this is part of why I had switched to Scrivener a year ago,

01:28:42   because Scrivener is just an amazing tool that allows you to do this thing of

01:28:47   sort of combining parts of your research into the writing process.

01:28:53   So, I don't know a really good way to put it, but it's like if Evernote is a filing cabinet,

01:29:00   Scrivener is a little bit more like, here's what's on your desktop that you're working with right

01:29:05   now. Here's a bunch of papers. Some of them are scripts that you're writing, but some of them are

01:29:11   information that's directly related to what you're immediately working on.

01:29:15   And so that is part of what was my frustration with switching from Ulysses to Scrivener was

01:29:21   trying to solve that problem.

01:29:23   So I do really like Scrivener, but I switched back to Ulysses a couple months ago.

01:29:31   And one of the reasons is I was able to ask the developer of Ulysses to add a particular

01:29:39   feature that I really wanted.

01:29:41   The details don't really matter, but for a long time on Ulysses, if you wanted to use

01:29:45   Dropbox Sync, which I do need to use as part of my workflow with my assistant, you could

01:29:51   only use a subset of the features of Ulysses, you couldn't use all of them.

01:29:56   So I had asked like, "Hey, can Dropbox Sync work for Ulysses's native format so I can

01:30:02   get access to all of the features in Dropbox?"

01:30:05   And that was very graciously added and has allowed me to move back to Ulysses.

01:30:09   Seems like a very big thing you had them do.

01:30:12   Look, with development, it's hard to know what the difficulty level of implementing

01:30:17   something is or isn't.

01:30:19   So I guess if other Ulysses users were happy that this update came out over the last year,

01:30:24   you can just thank Gray, I guess.

01:30:26   Well I do know that this is, having spoken to some other people, there's sometimes this

01:30:30   same thing of you're working on something.

01:30:33   Ulysses isn't designed to be worked by on a team, but sometimes you do want a team to

01:30:39   be able to work on something and that means you have to use Dropbox. You can't

01:30:42   use iCloud sync. And so people would run into this frustration of "oh I can't have

01:30:47   all of the features." How does Ulysses deal with conflicts? I think it hands it all

01:30:51   off to Dropbox. So you're hoping Dropbox takes care of it? Yeah you're hoping

01:30:55   Dropbox takes care of it. If you're using Ulysses between two people I think it's

01:31:00   the same thing like what Myke and I do with the Logic projects for this

01:31:04   podcast. You just make it very clear who's working on what when and don't

01:31:08   both of you work on it at the same time.

01:31:10   And if you're clearing your communication, you shouldn't have any problem.

01:31:14   Um, so, uh, like I've developed a system with my assistant where if she is working

01:31:21   on the script, it's because I have physically moved it into a different

01:31:26   folder within the Dropbox hierarchy.

01:31:28   And then when she's done, it gets moved into a folder that indicates to me that

01:31:33   like her work on it is done and it is complete and now it comes back to me.

01:31:37   So that's just like a way to be very clear about what is the state of this.

01:31:41   Like, have I passed it to you or have you passed it to me?

01:31:44   But so, yeah, I've switched back to Ulysses.

01:31:47   I like Ulysses a lot.

01:31:49   And the way I would describe it is,

01:31:52   now with access to all of Ulysses' features, I get...

01:31:57   In terms of what I use, I get 90% of the benefits of Scrivener

01:32:02   at like 10% of the complexity.

01:32:06   Because Scrivener is an application which, and I think this really goes for it,

01:32:10   has perhaps more settings than many apps on the face of the earth.

01:32:15   And there are times when you really want that power, and I used all of that power,

01:32:21   but I'd prefer to use the slightly simpler Ulysses setup.

01:32:25   Plus, if you're thinking about using Scrivener,

01:32:28   it doesn't handle being used on multiple machines very well.

01:32:34   It's really designed to be used on one computer.

01:32:38   So if you are writing a book and you're thinking of using Scrivener,

01:32:42   I do think a strong consideration in that decision is,

01:32:47   are you always going to be using this program on the same computer?

01:32:50   And if the answer to that is yes, then Scrivener is fine.

01:32:53   But if you know you're going to be trying to like sync stuff through Dropbox

01:32:57   and using it on different devices, that's a mark against Scrivener.

01:33:00   But what I will just say is why these two apps? Like what is the thing that I like so much about

01:33:07   both of these apps? Unlike a traditional writing app, like you open up pages or you open up

01:33:12   Microsoft Word and you're given just sheets of paper to start writing on, both of these apps are

01:33:19   much more abstract about the idea of like, what is a page? And so it's a lot more like, what are you

01:33:28   laughing at? What is a word? What is a sentence? Well, they each have different words for this

01:33:37   stuff but it's a lot more like you're writing on index cards. And some of those index cards

01:33:43   are big and some of those index cards are small, but you can move them around. And for

01:33:49   someone like me who is doing many, many, many drafts of a script, it's really useful to

01:33:56   be able to say, "These three paragraphs go together.

01:34:00   These three paragraphs belong on one index card because they're about this part of what

01:34:04   I'm talking about.

01:34:06   And then this paragraph goes on a separate index card, and then these next five, they

01:34:11   go together."

01:34:12   So you can mark off these blocks of text and then rearrange them arbitrarily as much as

01:34:17   you want.

01:34:18   It's a totally different way to think about writing, and it is a vital, vital feature

01:34:23   for me at this point.

01:34:25   the thing that I can now do with Ulysses, which wasn't possible before, is

01:34:29   also on those cards like in Scrivener,

01:34:33   attach additional information. So to be able to say these paragraphs are part of the script,

01:34:40   but I also want to be able, whenever I'm looking at these three paragraphs, to see this reference photograph.

01:34:45   I want to be able to have this reference PDF so I can just double-check this complicated thing that I'm talking about, or

01:34:53   or have a separate note that I have written to myself about what these paragraphs are

01:34:58   trying to achieve.

01:35:00   And so I can now do that in Ulysses, and it is fantastic and just so helpful on big complicated

01:35:09   projects.

01:35:11   Like when something has large scope over long periods of time, being able to have some,

01:35:18   pull out some parts of the Evernote research or make notes to future me is just vitally,

01:35:25   vitally important.

01:35:26   I'm saying this because I genuinely really like both apps.

01:35:29   I think they are both good.

01:35:31   I've just chosen to go back to Ulysses because I like the simplicity of it a little better,

01:35:37   but both of them are great if you're thinking about trying to write a complex project.

01:35:41   I think if I was going to choose between one of these applications, I would choose Ulysses

01:35:46   just because I like its design more.

01:35:48   Yeah, Ulysses is also more iOS-y.

01:35:50   You can like put in custom fonts and stuff like that, right?

01:35:53   Like there's a lot of interesting things you can do with Ulysses

01:35:56   to make it look the way you want.

01:35:58   Yeah, again, Scrivener has functionally infinite options

01:36:01   so you can get it to look the way that you want.

01:36:03   But yeah, if you're used to working on iOS in particular,

01:36:07   Ulysses feels very at home right out of the box.

01:36:09   The other thing which really for me leans in Ulysses' favor

01:36:13   is it is this pseudo-markdown editor

01:36:15   And I just, I really prefer writing in explicit markup rather than with styles.

01:36:21   And so that that's the other big difference between the two of them.

01:36:24   Yeah.

01:36:25   Cause I remember that being a sticking point for you as scrivener, right?

01:36:28   Like it wanted you to bold things rather than to,

01:36:30   now here's the thing.

01:36:31   Scrivener is great for that.

01:36:33   Like I got used to their, the styles and it's very interesting having functionally

01:36:40   infinite styles at your fingertips.

01:36:42   And so it allowed me to do like some very interesting things that I cannot

01:36:45   replicate in Ulysses, but if given the choice, I'm trading that additional infinite flexibility

01:36:52   for the limited subset of Markdown because I much prefer to write an explicit marking

01:36:58   of text the way Ulysses handles it.

01:37:00   So I don't want to make predictions for my future self, but I'll be pretty shocked if

01:37:06   something comes along and dethrones Ulysses in the, you know, conceivable future.

01:37:12   I think I'm probably here to stay for a really long time in the same way that I am with OmniFocus.

01:37:18   That's my bet.

01:37:19   I guess we'll check in 2020, right?

01:37:20   Right, yeah, we'll see.

01:37:22   Should we do a lightning round?

01:37:23   If anything is left, I only have a couple of pics that I wanted to talk about.

01:37:27   We've blown through all my lightning round already.

01:37:30   I think by doing the home screens, we sort of cover a bunch of the lightning round, but

01:37:34   I'm very happy to do some lightning round apps.

01:37:36   I have two.

01:37:37   Lightning round mic.

01:37:38   Oh, okay.

01:37:39   Lightning round.

01:37:40   Yeah.

01:37:41   to mention. The first one is VSCO. VSCO, the photo editing application, right? Made by

01:37:48   the company, very famous, like history is making Photoshop presets, that kind of stuff.

01:37:53   I use VSCO to edit all of the photos that I publish to Instagram. One of my personal

01:37:58   things that I have changed over the last year, I've been very happy with, is taking up

01:38:03   mobile photography as a hobby. I take lots of photos that I publish to Instagram and

01:38:08   to Instagram stories and I have great fun in doing that is something that I find

01:38:13   very relaxing and nice and I get to have all of these images saved you know with

01:38:20   Instagram anything you upload to Instagram stories it's saved in an

01:38:22   archive for you so I can go back and look at that stuff if I want to but I

01:38:26   say things as highlights or I publish things to my feed but I really have

01:38:29   enjoyed learning how to use tool at this tool and and now I want to try and one

01:38:36   I want to do next year is maybe like branch out into other tools

01:38:39   Maybe something like Lightroom and try and get my head around that. Mm-hmm, but it's not just using the tool but like

01:38:45   getting an understanding for

01:38:48   How to make something look a way that I want it to look in using those tools

01:38:54   Right because before it was just like well

01:38:56   I'm just gonna keep dragging these slides around until I find something I like but now I can look at an image and be like

01:39:01   I want to do this to it and this to it and I know how to do that

01:39:05   Right and friend of the show Tyler stormin. He was a great youtuber

01:39:09   he helped kind of like guide me through a lot of this and

01:39:12   Provided me with a lot of the basics that I needed if you are interested in this

01:39:16   I will put a link in the show notes to an episode of connected which is a show that I do where we had Tyler

01:39:21   On because I wanted Tyler to give me the foundations of how to use a tool like this go

01:39:26   so we spoke through this like creating for Instagram and stuff like that if it's something you're interested in and

01:39:33   that kind of gave me the push to then go through this over the last year.

01:39:38   And I'm...

01:39:39   VSCO is definitely the tool for me.

01:39:41   It's like really easy to use on the phone and it has great like preset filters and stuff

01:39:46   that you can use but then adjust and adapt to your heart's content.

01:39:50   And I've been very happy with what, especially combined with the new iPhone, I've been able

01:39:55   to produce.

01:39:56   So I really like that.

01:39:57   Okay, lightning round.

01:39:58   I'm gonna pick Night Owl, which is the tiniest app that hardly does anything.

01:40:05   It's for your Mac.

01:40:06   It just puts a little owl face on your menu bar at the top.

01:40:11   And if you right-click on it, it'll swap your machine from light mode to dark mode.

01:40:16   And it's great to have there, just because sometimes you want to switch between the two.

01:40:23   Most of the time I'm running my system in dark mode, but I feel like it lets me appreciate

01:40:27   the moments where light mode is genuinely better.

01:40:30   So I can just quickly click, swap everything over to light mode, and then click, swap everything

01:40:34   back.

01:40:35   It's the tiniest utility, but it's very, very helpful.

01:40:38   I would like to just pick an application that I must have picked in the past at some point,

01:40:42   but I don't know if I have and it deserves to be mentioned.

01:40:44   It's an app called Deliveries.

01:40:46   It's like an old school app, right?

01:40:49   Deliveries has been around forever.

01:40:50   It is just an app to track parcel deliveries.

01:40:53   Right.

01:40:54   has become something that I do more and more, especially as I track notebooks traveling

01:40:59   across the globe.

01:41:01   Right, yes.

01:41:02   I need to be able to keep my eye on that stuff and Deliveries is just a really great app.

01:41:07   It's designed so well on iOS, like you can just highlight a tracking number in an email,

01:41:12   press share and add it to Deliveries.

01:41:15   It's a really well made application, I love it a lot and I feel like it should get some

01:41:20   love every now and then because you know it's like one of these apps is like

01:41:23   surely I can only imagine his feature complete like I don't know what more

01:41:26   they could add to it but that means it is the perfect tool for this use it does

01:41:30   everything so I love deliveries okay if you if you ever track packages and don't

01:41:36   use this I thoroughly recommend it related to that if you want to track a

01:41:40   package which is yourself going across the world I'm going to recommend

01:41:45   flighty. Yes. As a flight tracker. Yes, yes, yes, yes. Yeah, it is, it's just like email

01:41:51   app, it's incredibly hard to find a good flight tracking app. I don't know why. This is the

01:41:58   good one. This, yeah, this right now is the best one. My understanding of its development

01:42:03   is the app began development because there was no good app for this anymore. It's a strange

01:42:09   ecosystem. I presume it has something to do with licensing the data for planes, or like

01:42:13   Who knows? But I'm gonna highly recommend it.

01:42:16   I'm also gonna send to you a little thing that I love that it does,

01:42:22   which is it'll track your flights over the course of a year

01:42:27   and show you some statistics on it.

01:42:30   And confirm for me that this year I had been flying way too much

01:42:36   and had been doing way too much travel.

01:42:39   And when I found this app, I remember as my summer of travel was coming to a close,

01:42:45   I saw that my number of times traveled around the world was approaching one.

01:42:50   And no joke, when I got back after the summer and I saw that my number had reached .9 times

01:43:00   around the world this year, I swore to myself that I was not going to let that number reach one.

01:43:08   And that legitimately helped me say no to some things that I might have done at this last part of the year.

01:43:14   I was like, "No, I am maxed out for travel. I refuse to have fully traveled once around the entire world.

01:43:21   Like, I will not do it. I'm gonna say no to a couple of little things because I just, like, I just...

01:43:26   I cannot travel anymore. I have traveled way too much."

01:43:30   [Laughter]

01:43:31   My friend.

01:43:32   [Laughter]

01:43:34   [Laughter]

01:43:35   Are you gonna show me-

01:43:35   You wait right there.

01:43:36   Do you have New York records?

01:43:37   - You wait right there. - Do you have records

01:43:38   you wanna show me?

01:43:39   - Jeez, who do you think you are?

01:43:41   Oh, I traveled so much, I traveled so much.

01:43:43   Take a look at my statistics.

01:43:45   - Okay, I just wanna be clear.

01:43:46   Traveled much for me, right?

01:43:49   Okay, so you're hitting almost two times around the world.

01:43:53   - 1.8 times around the world, 45,240 miles traveled.

01:43:58   - Whoa, that's cool.

01:43:59   - There is a possibility, and I would need to check this,

01:44:02   that there might be a couple of flights in here

01:44:05   that I was not on but tracking.

01:44:09   But let's say that it is very close to this number

01:44:12   if it is not this number.

01:44:14   - I'm very happy to round you off

01:44:16   to two times around the world.

01:44:18   I will give you that.

01:44:19   That is perfectly fine.

01:44:20   - In the air for over 100 hours of the year.

01:44:22   - That's the brutal part, yeah.

01:44:24   It's how many hours have you been in the air?

01:44:26   - How many hours in a year?

01:44:29   Do I wanna do this calculation right now?

01:44:32   - There's not gonna be as much as you think it's gonna be.

01:44:34   There's a lot of hours in the year.

01:44:35   8,760 hours.

01:44:38   While we're talking about traveling,

01:44:39   another YouTube colleague of mine, Wendover,

01:44:42   he does lots of videos on airplanes.

01:44:44   And he, I think it was just this morning or just yesterday,

01:44:49   like Thomas Frank is always pushing notion on me,

01:44:52   Wendover is always telling me about his flights

01:44:54   because I ask like a man who wants to know more

01:44:57   about like a gruesome accident,

01:44:59   because the amount he flies is unbelievable.

01:45:04   And I don't even want to try to say what the number was,

01:45:08   but he told me the percent of his life in the previous year

01:45:12   that he had spent on an airplane.

01:45:14   It was not like, oh, 0.1% of your life

01:45:16   you've spent on an airplane.

01:45:17   It was a serious number,

01:45:18   but he ended up just releasing a video

01:45:20   that tracks all of his flight over the course of the year,

01:45:24   and it will make your jaw drop on the floor

01:45:28   to watch that kind of thing.

01:45:29   So we are both total amateurs.

01:45:31   - You can't ask the guy who makes videos about planes,

01:45:36   about how much time he spent in the air.

01:45:38   It's like if I asked you,

01:45:40   "Well, how much time have you spent in Ulysses this year?"

01:45:44   I would be like, "Oh, no way, I did like 10 minutes."

01:45:49   It doesn't work.

01:45:50   But anyway, 1.1% of my year has been on a plane.

01:45:54   You told me to do the number, that's still wild.

01:45:56   - Yeah, it's too much.

01:45:57   - Again, I wanna check it.

01:45:58   Like there might be again, there might be like a couple of flights in there, but like

01:46:01   that's a that's got to be about it, whatever it is.

01:46:04   Oh man, I can't believe that number now I've seen it.

01:46:07   I don't feel bad about it because I like to travel, but it's still a huge, just huge.

01:46:13   I'm looking at our numbers here and I can't help notice though that we have actually done

01:46:17   the same number of flights.

01:46:19   It's just that you have done many more of the like London to the West Coast flights.

01:46:24   That's what the key difference is here.

01:46:25   Yeah, I don't travel inside of America as much as you do, right?

01:46:28   Like you have two long-haul, I have eight long-haul.

01:46:32   Yeah, I was annoyed by those two long-haul because like, wait, is, you know, London to New York doesn't count as long-haul? I guess not.

01:46:38   Yeah, I have that problem too. It's like, look, if I'm going to America, that's a frickin' long-haul flight, right?

01:46:44   It's a long-haul flight. I 100% agree with you there.

01:46:47   And yes, you were also right. I am vastly more traveling around in the interior,

01:46:51   Which also now, now that things are finally out, I can say is yes, that's partly for Indian reservation stuff.

01:46:56   There are many places that take a long time to drive to where there are no planes that you can go there.

01:47:00   So yes, that's also that's also part of the reason for this.

01:47:02   I'm so pleased you've published that first video so you can now acknowledge the fact that you've done that.

01:47:07   So we can now acknowledge why all these things have happened this year.

01:47:11   Yeah, yeah, I think over the past quite a while on Cortex,

01:47:15   I've had to make reference to, we've recorded shows sometimes under relatively adverse recording environments.

01:47:21   Yeah, because you were on reservations trying to find Wi-Fi, right?

01:47:25   This is like, here is the situation that we're in.

01:47:27   I don't intend to be mysterious, but like I just didn't want to talk about that until I released something.

01:47:31   Mm-hmm.

01:47:32   And so yeah, that's part of what was going on there.

01:47:34   I don't want to know what my driving miles were over the course of the year,

01:47:38   but I just think I keep looking at these two things for our flights,

01:47:41   and I think it's fascinating that we both have 23 flights recorded,

01:47:44   but you basically traveled exactly twice as much as I have in terms of actual distance.

01:47:48   That is actually really fun that those numbers do match up. I like that a lot.

01:47:52   Yeah.

01:47:52   Oh, I'm going to mention another one, Calzones, which is the calendar/timezone application.

01:47:58   You may not see this, like, in all my widget screens underneath Fantastic Cal.

01:48:03   It's always Calzones. It lives in the widget there, so I know what time it is

01:48:07   in all the places that I need. But what makes this application superior to every other app like this

01:48:12   that I've used is that it's integration into my calendar. So like I can go into an event,

01:48:18   hit a drop down and see what time that event hits in all of the time zones that I want to

01:48:23   keep track of. That is a very, very useful application for me. Yeah, I love it as well.

01:48:28   It's on my widget screen. I don't use the calendar integration stuff a lot. What I wanted is the

01:48:32   ability to be able just to see very quickly on the widget screen, like what time is it

01:48:36   in a few places that I need to track. And then if I need to be able to expand out and do that

01:48:41   calculation of, "Okay, so when it's 9 a.m. in Salt Lake City, what time is it in London?"

01:48:47   Like that kind of thing.

01:48:48   So yeah, I really love it.

01:48:51   Really great app.

01:48:52   Thanks to Underscore for making it do exactly what we needed to do.

01:48:54   Yay!

01:48:55   My favorite kind of application.

01:48:56   The one that does what I want.

01:48:59   Yes, exactly.

01:49:00   I think I might be it for my lightning round.

01:49:01   Do you have anything else?

01:49:02   Oh, I've got StuffMic.

01:49:03   Oh, lightning for days over here.

01:49:04   Let me just do some things here.

01:49:07   I do want to mention, last year I had just started on Keyboard Maestro as a recommendation

01:49:13   from Rosemary Orchard who showed off the amazing things that it could do to me in person at

01:49:18   WWDC.

01:49:20   And I'm continually amazed by how much can be done with this app.

01:49:24   And its ability to allow me to automate some stuff that I just never really thought about

01:49:29   before is totally killer.

01:49:31   Give me an example.

01:49:32   I need to have my mind blown.

01:49:34   Here's an example.

01:49:36   This won't exactly work for you, but it's the idea of it.

01:49:39   So when I'm recording my audio for a video, I end up with these really long audio files

01:49:47   where I've talked a bunch and I have many takes of what I want to say.

01:49:51   In Logic, there's a way to strip out the silence between these takes.

01:49:57   So I pause for a couple of seconds and you can get these little pieces.

01:50:03   Now for me, I want to compress all of these little pieces together.

01:50:06   So there's a way in Keyboard Maestro I can just have Keyboard Maestro in Logic select

01:50:14   each section of audio and slam it into the previous audio section.

01:50:21   And so it will create like one continuous block of audio out of what is sometimes hundreds

01:50:27   of separate little clips of me speaking.

01:50:29   And then from there, I can go on and fine-tune how do I want things to sound.

01:50:33   The thing is, if there is anything that you're going to do in a program that's repetitive,

01:50:39   Keyboard Maestro can do it.

01:50:42   If you could do it in that program with keyboard shortcuts.

01:50:47   And even that's not true, because Keyboard Maestro will also do image recognition on

01:50:51   the screen, so there are ways that you can do stuff with the mouse as well.

01:50:54   But just like, if you're ever in a situation where you're on the computer and you're thinking,

01:50:58   "Ugh, I need to do this thing like 300 times."

01:51:01   And you can do it with keyboard shortcuts,

01:51:04   you can stupidly easily automate it with Keyboard Maestro.

01:51:08   Another example is,

01:51:10   I recently put up a 45-minute long video

01:51:12   where I'm going through a spreadsheet on the Electoral College.

01:51:15   Mm-hmm.

01:51:16   Uh, which is thrilling viewing, I'm sure, for most people.

01:51:20   So I made this spreadsheet that follows the process of

01:51:23   adding seats to the House of Representatives one by one.

01:51:26   and you know, you're adding a couple hundred seats.

01:51:29   Now, I can just add one at a time by manually doing it in a spreadsheet.

01:51:35   But with Keyboard Maestro, you can program it so that it will move the cell selection

01:51:42   on the spreadsheet. It can copy out the number that's in that cell, and then perform, like,

01:51:49   if/then calculations on that, and manipulate the number in memory, and then paste it back

01:51:55   into the spreadsheet. So I can have it do something like find the state that gets the next

01:52:01   representative by manually moving the cell selector around, copy the current number of

01:52:08   representatives by moving one over, add one to that number, paste it back into the spreadsheet,

01:52:13   and then put the cursor in the place that it's supposed to be.

01:52:15   So that sounds very com- how hard is that to set up?

01:52:19   Okay, I'm trying to sell this to you because it is a slightly more complicated version

01:52:26   than shortcuts.

01:52:27   But if you can make stuff in shortcuts on iOS, you can make stuff in Keyboard Maestro.

01:52:32   It is the exact same idea that you have blocks that you're arranging an order and those

01:52:39   blocks are designed to do something.

01:52:42   But like the thing with Keyboard Maestro is for many of those blocks they can be select

01:52:47   this item in the menu. Copy something to the clipboard. Take the thing that you've just

01:52:52   copied to the clipboard and see if it's greater or equal to the number one. You can do this stuff

01:52:58   with blocks. It's really, really quite impressive. It is a program that I now find myself as having

01:53:03   in my mental arsenal of, I'm trying to accomplish something on the computer. Do I need to be the

01:53:09   person who does this? Or can I quickly throw together something in Keyboard Maestro that can

01:53:14   just do it for me. It's really quite impressive. There's a thing in Logic that I also built where

01:53:19   you can sometimes have an error where you accidentally add fades to like every single

01:53:24   clip of audio and it's really hard to manually undo, but again like I can do with keyboard

01:53:28   shortcuts so I can have Keyboard Maestro like blast through it and undo this error that's very

01:53:33   hard to fix otherwise. So it's just it's fantastic, it's really fantastic, and I just can't recommend

01:53:40   anymore if you use a Mac like you should play around with it.

01:53:44   Okay, super fast lightning round stuff.

01:53:46   *pew*

01:53:46   Is it-

01:53:47   *pew*

01:53:47   The smallest app is an app called Better Day for iOS.

01:53:51   All it does is it lets you customize how you want the date to be displayed on your Apple Watch.

01:53:55   Love it.

01:53:56   Another app, Gemini for iOS.

01:53:59   This is an app which will find similar photos in your iPhoto library and give you an easy way to select

01:54:05   which of the similar photos you want to keep and get rid of the rest.

01:54:08   And I have been using this as my, "I'm standing online and I have a couple of minutes to kill,

01:54:13   let me just knock out a couple of similar photos and try to work through my library

01:54:17   to like reduce it down so that I only actually have the photos that I want."

01:54:21   Does this one also like, shows you screenshots and stuff?

01:54:24   Yes, it'll also separate out the screenshots. It's really nicely done.

01:54:28   I'll also have a pro tip, this is one of the very few apps where they want you to have a subscription

01:54:33   to it, and while we have both been very pro subscription stuff,

01:54:37   There's something that feels to me like this doesn't really feel like a subscription app,

01:54:41   even though I totally understand why, but they do give you an option to do like a one-time,

01:54:47   lifetime support purchase. And I just did that. Just like mentally not have this as a subscription.

01:54:52   I think that is a good way to do it. And it's like a perfectly valid thing. Like you either

01:54:57   pay every month, which you can do if you maybe only want to use it once or like you want to use

01:55:01   it for one month and then not use it. And then like maybe six months time, do it again. Or you

01:55:05   or you just give them money like one time, larger amount of money.

01:55:08   We're all good here.

01:55:09   Yeah. I was really glad to see the developers include that option.

01:55:12   Again, I'm mostly in favor of subscriptions, but for some reason,

01:55:16   like this just mentally triggered my like,

01:55:17   I don't want to pay for this every month.

01:55:19   It doesn't have to be subscriptions. It's just have a business model.

01:55:23   Yeah. So I was like lifetime option sold Gemini, you know,

01:55:27   take my money. A little thing for the Mac as well.

01:55:29   There's an app called FloTato.

01:55:32   think. This replaces Fluid if you are trying to make a web page into an app. So Fluid,

01:55:39   I mentioned it last year, it hasn't really been supported in a long time and was starting

01:55:43   to fall apart with Mojave, like this wasn't quite working right anymore. So Flotato replaces

01:55:48   Fluid if you're looking for "how do I turn a web page into an app?"

01:55:51   I wonder if it's like "Flotato" like a potato.

01:55:54   You say "Flotato", I say "Flotato". Let's call the whole thing off. That's how that

01:56:00   works.

01:56:01   One final thing for the lightning round.

01:56:03   Now, I don't give app of the year, right?

01:56:06   I'm not in like the business of award shows, unlike some of my other co-hosts here.

01:56:11   Yo, what's up?

01:56:12   Upgradeys coming at you December.

01:56:14   Yeah, exactly.

01:56:16   If I was going to give an app of the year award, I would give it to the app called Fitbod,

01:56:23   which is an exercise app.

01:56:26   And this app is the best app that I found this year by a mile.

01:56:31   I absolutely love this.

01:56:34   I have been pushing it on everyone I know.

01:56:38   It is an exercise app like no other exercise app.

01:56:43   But I'm putting it in the right lightning round because I specifically want to talk

01:56:47   more about it in our theme episode.

01:56:50   Not here.

01:56:51   Fitbod.

01:56:52   Don't like that name.

01:56:54   Doesn't matter.

01:56:55   It's amazing.

01:56:56   Okay.

01:56:57   Okay.

01:56:58   That's the end of my lightning round.

01:56:59   Oh, you've shown me this.

01:57:00   it to you because I've shown it to everyone, right?

01:57:02   Yeah, if you know me, you've seen it.

01:57:04   This company should give me a percentage of their company for how much additional revenue

01:57:07   I've been drumming up for them of like, everyone I know I've been pushing this app upon.

01:57:11   So yeah, that's my app of the year by a huge mile.

01:57:14   But we'll talk about it in the theme episode.

01:57:17   I have two items of follow up for you.

01:57:20   This is the end of the show, Myke.

01:57:21   I know, but this has been long established that we do follow up at the end of the show.

01:57:25   Yes, no, I understand, but it's the end of the show and we've been talking for five hours

01:57:29   about apps.

01:57:30   I know, but these are things that I have to talk about now, otherwise they'll be gone

01:57:34   forever.

01:57:35   It's urgent follow-up.

01:57:36   Yes.

01:57:37   Because, one, I need to say this so people stop sending me this link.

01:57:40   Okay.

01:57:41   The Jiro James Sushi restaurant has lost its Michelin stars.

01:57:44   Oh, this link.

01:57:46   All three of them are gone.

01:57:48   Because it is basically at this point impossible to book a meal at this restaurant because

01:57:55   Because it is so popular, basically the only way you can get a table at the Girogin Sesu-si

01:58:00   restaurant is to either be friends with them or be a friend of a friend.

01:58:06   And the Michelin Guide has removed their stars because if you can't book a table at a restaurant

01:58:10   they can't put it in the guide.

01:58:12   So we can't go there.

01:58:13   Yes, everyone in the world sent us this link.

01:58:16   It's written in a way where it sounds to me like they've just made it a private restaurant.

01:58:22   It's a little bit unclear from the wording, but this link has mostly bothered me because

01:58:27   of the way I hate how headlines work.

01:58:28   Oh yeah, because they make it sound like they found a rat in the kitchen.

01:58:31   Exactly.

01:58:32   They've been stripped of the stars.

01:58:35   The restaurant is so popular you can't go there.

01:58:38   It's everything I hate about news headlines where it's like, you've written it in a way

01:58:42   where what do people think?

01:58:44   They think exactly that.

01:58:46   There's a rat in somebody's sushi.

01:58:48   It's like no, no, no.

01:58:49   It sounds like they've basically just turned it into a private restaurant.

01:58:53   And the Michelin Star Guide is not for private restaurants.

01:58:57   End of story.

01:58:58   Thank you for putting that in follow up, because I too would never like to see this story again,

01:59:02   especially in the context of "Oh my god, can you believe what 'happened' to Giro's restaurant?"

01:59:08   It's like, no, you just read the headline.

01:59:10   That's not how this works.

01:59:12   He's doing just fine.

01:59:13   Better than fine, in fact.

01:59:14   Probably better than fine.

01:59:15   doesn't have to deal with annoying people who just want to go because it's a famous

01:59:20   restaurant.

01:59:21   And I'm also very willing to bet that his son who runs the public restaurant is nothing

01:59:27   but thrilled with this result.

01:59:30   So yeah, this is not a bad news story.

01:59:33   This is like a non-news story.

01:59:35   I have another piece of follow up for you.

01:59:37   Okay.

01:59:38   What is that?

01:59:40   That's the follow up.

01:59:41   I bought the WASD keyboard's keyboard tester.

01:59:45   Oh, okay. Right. Right.

01:59:48   It's just like, oh, you know, let's see what they feel like.

01:59:50   Those mechanical keyboard switches.

01:59:53   So they sell a little tester with like a bunch of the different color switches,

01:59:56   like blue, brown.

01:59:57   And so you can feel like, see how they feel.

01:59:59   Yep. And I really like the green one.

02:00:03   There is a subsequent thing.

02:00:04   There's a link in the show notes that says, please do not click this.

02:00:06   You can now click this.

02:00:08   OK, I can now click it.

02:00:09   Because I bought something else.

02:00:11   Okay. Did you buy this keyboard?

02:00:13   I both customized and purchased that keyboard.

02:00:16   Oh boy. Oh, I'm so excited. What a, what a colorful mechanical keyboard.

02:00:21   Boy, that was fast. Myke.

02:00:23   I did this while I was editing the episode.

02:00:26   We didn't make it one episode between talking about mechanical keyboards and

02:00:30   you buying a mechanical keyboard.

02:00:31   But it was even now or never, right?

02:00:33   Yes, that's true.

02:00:34   So I have ordered a custom WASD keyboard. You can see a link in the show notes.

02:00:38   It's very, very colorful.

02:00:40   I just decided to make it the most colorful it could be because I had that

02:00:43   option available to me. So I did that. Uh, it hasn't arrived.

02:00:48   Obviously it's being made. I will follow up on this.

02:00:50   I told friend and co-founder Steven about this and he said,

02:00:53   when you can't move your hands, don't come crying to me.

02:00:56   And I agree with what Steven said. I did go with, with Brown switches.

02:01:00   They are the least they're not least.

02:01:02   They're not the ones that I find the most appealing.

02:01:05   I like the green because it's very clicky. The Brown sounds like this.

02:01:09   not very quickly, but it requires the least amount of force to depress.

02:01:13   So I figured that was probably the best place to start.

02:01:16   I have a, uh, well actually another very significant reason for why I did this.

02:01:21   Somebody in the Reddit thread, uh, they, they teased me by saying,

02:01:27   Hey Myke, definitely don't look at this subreddit,

02:01:31   which is a subreddit as one focus, which is two focuses.

02:01:36   It's called mechanical head pens.

02:01:38   It is a just pictures of mechanical keyboards and pens.

02:01:42   That is it.

02:01:46   Well, there we go.

02:01:47   And didn't take me long being subscribed to that subreddit

02:01:50   to also make me definitely want one, so

02:01:52   it's on the way.

02:01:55   Great. I'm glad I'm glad you've ordered it.

02:01:57   I'm glad you I'm glad you have yourself a nice, colorful keyboard on the way.

02:02:00   I'll be curious to hear what you think about it.

02:02:03   It will serve a purpose to come up in our next episode.

02:02:06   Which is yearly themes 2020.

02:02:10   Year of color.

02:02:12   Year of mechanical keyboard.

02:02:15   Year of colors for Myke.

02:02:16   Every year we set themes for the year, which dictate a lot of the paths that we will follow.

02:02:22   So on our next episode, it will focus on a few things.

02:02:25   We're going to review our years.

02:02:28   These are our yearly themes.

02:02:29   We're going to talk about how we feel we have fared through our year, and if our year

02:02:32   theme ended up being the right focus for us and then we are going to unveil the 2020 year

02:02:40   theme. Do you have your theme? Yes, I do have my theme. I have mine too, I'm very excited

02:02:45   about it. And so that's what we're going to talk about next time. So have a think between

02:02:48   now and then, you know, if maybe you've had some ideas circling around in your brain.

02:02:52   So we'll be able to talk all about our yearly themes and then unveil the 2020 yearly theme.

02:02:59   Feels like an important one 2020, right? Yes, it is. Yeah.

02:03:02   Do you want to say decade themes?

02:03:04   No, that is antithetical to the very idea.

02:03:09   Decade themes, no.

02:03:11   Yearly themes, yes.

02:03:13   Tune in next time to find out more.