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     Welcome to Under the Radar, a show about independent iOS app development. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I'm Marco Arment. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And I'm David Smith. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Under the Radar is never longer than 30 minutes, so let's get started. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So as we're recording this, it's sort of the middle of June in 2020. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So if you're looking back at this and you hear that the year is 2020, you may have some 
     
     
  
 
 
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     sense of the unprecedented year we've been having. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     That seems to be the term that's been thrown around a lot. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And it's like, I don't even know where to begin for all the things that are happening 
     
     
  
 
 
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     that are not normal, are atypical, are significant, are emotional, are frustrating. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And so as the year starts out and we start to have the coronavirus outbreak and it totally 
     
     
  
 
 
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     upends everything and causes widespread sickness and tragedy, and as right as we get to the 
     
     
  
 
 
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     point where we start to perhaps slightly see the end of this and things open up, there's 
     
     
  
 
 
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     all of the awfulness going on. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     The issues around racism in the US and police brutality and the way those things are reacted 
     
     
  
 
 
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     to and the protests around that, and all of these things come together. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And it's worth saying, I think, Marco and I, we are firmly against racism and all of 
     
     
  
 
 
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     its guises as structural and personal and all of the awful things that are happening 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     But as a result of all of those things, at least I can speak for myself, there is just 
     
     
  
 
 
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     this general sense of difficulty and challenge. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     As it relates to my work, it's been very difficult in this last six months to be productive, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     to get the normal amount of work done that I would hope to do or expect myself to do 
     
     
  
 
 
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     or want to do. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It's really hard to want to focus or be able to focus on the things that relate to my job 
     
     
  
 
 
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     when it feels like everything around you is falling apart and going crazy and everything's 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     And it seemed like a topic, though, that is probably worth just discussing and talking 
     
     
  
 
 
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     through some observations around what the impacts of having these external factors in 
     
     
  
 
 
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     the world that are big and significant and weighty can have on you emotionally and how 
     
     
  
 
 
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     they can relate to your productivity and your work. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And then also, on the more positive side, is hopefully to talk about some of the strategies 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and things that you can do, that I've done, that Marco's done, that have helped. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Many of these things, when something is happening outside in the world more generally, there's 
     
     
  
 
 
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     only so much that we can do to affect change to that and to eliminate it. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It isn't like I'm sitting in a chair that's uncomfortable and if I go and get a new chair, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     suddenly my work environment can be more productive or more comfortable. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     These are situations that are broad and wide in the world. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     There aren't these simple and easy quick fixes, but there are certainly strategies and things 
     
     
  
 
 
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     that we can do to mitigate the effect on us and to help us both emotionally and for our 
     
     
  
 
 
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     mental health as well as our productivity and our ability to continue doing our jobs 
     
     
  
 
 
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     in the midst of things that make that really difficult. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Yeah, because ultimately, as Dave said, this has been a really messed up year so far. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And the major factors, basically being COVID-19 and the Black Lives Matter protests against 
     
     
  
 
 
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     police brutality, that's not likely to go away quickly. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     These problems aren't just going to be solved tomorrow and everything will go back to "normal." 
     
     
  
 
 
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     That's not going to happen. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Any return to something closer to normal is going to just take time. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It's going to be a gradual process and it's already been months. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I mean, we talked about doing this episode months ago and we kept having other things 
     
     
  
 
 
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     to talk about, but it's already been months that we've been quarantined and going through 
     
     
  
 
 
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     the COVID-19 pandemic and all those things. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     This is such a not normal time that I personally, I know many people out there have had to do 
     
     
  
 
 
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     that trouble. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I personally have had a lot of trouble getting any work done whatsoever. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And I think that's okay. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     When we first started out with the quarantine, certainly one of the fastest issues we had 
     
     
  
 
 
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     to face was what do we do about school? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     We both have children. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     You had a different situation than I do. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     My situation was my kid went to a public school. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     He goes to a regular school and his school was closed. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So everyone started doing basically web remote teaching and web remote learning. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So he has to do video chats and fill out worksheets and everything. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     That's been difficult for everyone, for the teachers, for the students, for the parents, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     because nobody was prepared for that. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It's a hugely different shift in how things have to work. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Everybody has to do things they haven't done before in ways they haven't done before. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It was extremely disruptive. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     The question certainly arose of how much work should your children be doing during this 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     How much should you try to stick with school? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     For some people, school is what makes their kids feel normal. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So they try to do as structured of a day as possible for their kids. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     For other people, their kids don't thrive in a school environment and school is stressful. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Moving it to home and trying to reproduce as much of the school day as possible at home 
     
     
  
 
 
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     was a source of stress for a lot of people, not a source of normalcy and structure. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So you had to make a judgment call based on who you knew your kid to be of like, "Do 
     
     
  
 
 
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     we make them work a lot or do we make them work just what they need to do bare minimum 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and let them chill for the rest of the time?" 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And I think back, nobody looks back on periods of disasters or tragedies or wars or things 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     No one looks back on that time later and says, "I wish I was more productive during that 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     These are serious times where serious stuff is going on, much of which is negative. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And it's okay during that time to not overwork yourself or your kids or whatever, your employees. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It's totally okay to not overwork people. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     In fact, you should be doing the opposite. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     You should be underworking yourself during this time because there's a lot to process 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and deal with in the world right now. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     There are major shifts happening all around us. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     There are major, you know, heavy dark times happening and many things have become more 
     
     
  
 
 
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     difficult or more time consuming for us to handle at home or at work. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And so we need to leave space to breathe and to relax and to process this and to have some 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     And the good thing is that what most of us do, I think one of the unintentional positive 
     
     
  
 
 
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     side effects of the quarantine period has been that a lot of the stuff that we used 
     
     
  
 
 
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     to do day to day that we told ourselves we had to do, we actually don't have to do. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Or we can get away with doing a lot less of it. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And so I think we can apply a lot of that to our indie lives as well. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Indie life has been largely, for me, about trying to do as little work as possible, trying 
     
     
  
 
 
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     to commit to as little time requirement as possible. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I don't want to create a job for myself where I have to wake up and do six hours of work 
     
     
  
 
 
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     every single day, otherwise the job falls apart. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It's more bursty where if I want to go a day without doing any work whatsoever, that's 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     The work will wait or the app will run itself to some degree. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     If I want to have a week where I do nothing, if I want to go on vacation, which is always 
     
     
  
 
 
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     a healthy thing, we've talked about that, I want to have a business where it can take 
     
     
  
 
 
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     a week of me not putting much or any time into it. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     With the quarantine, I think what we've seen is we need even more slack in the system than 
     
     
  
 
 
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     we initially thought for certain large scale disasters like this. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And I've been fortunate that my, like, for the whole first month, I didn't really do 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     I got almost no work done for like a month. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And nothing bad happened to my business. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It was fine. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     My business, like, my app is in a stable-ish state. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Everything was fine. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Usage went down, money went down a little bit, but it wasn't like fatally so. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And so everything was just running kind of in like, you know, stable mode waiting for 
     
     
  
 
 
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     whenever I want to work on it next. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And it's really great to put yourself in a position where you can have that kind of slack 
     
     
  
 
 
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     in your business, where you can have that kind of like built in buffer on everything 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and be like, "All right, it's okay if I don't work for a little while." 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And you know, the business won't die. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     My app won't stop working. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     You know, everything will be fine. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And all those like feature updates that you want to do or redesigns or whatever, you know 
     
     
  
 
 
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     what, maybe those can wait. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Does it really matter if you redesign the app this year or next year? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     You know, does it really matter if you add this feature that 10% of your people are asking 
     
     
  
 
 
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     for now or in a year from now? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Probably not. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     So ultimately, I think it's very valuable to let yourself recognize that these are not 
     
     
  
 
 
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     normal times and give yourself the room to breathe and give yourself time off and not 
     
     
  
 
 
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     to beat yourself up over it. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Because again, like I think in five years from now, no one's gonna be looking back at 
     
     
  
 
 
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     this time and saying, "Wow, I really wish I added two more features during the quarantine." 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     And I feel like so much of these, like it makes me think of one of the best analogies 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I ever have, or the analogy that I find useful for myself in terms of understanding my capacity 
     
     
  
 
 
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     for doing things is to think of like my life is like this, I have a box, and I can choose 
     
     
  
 
 
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     which things I put into that. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And it's like, I can put in sleep, and I can put in exercise, and I can put in eating, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I can put in relationships, I can put in work, I can put in all of the various like homework, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     whatever those things are that I need to do. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     But the size of the box is sort of outside of my control. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And in many ways, you have situations like this where suddenly I feel like the box got 
     
     
  
 
 
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     smaller, and it got smaller because of the emotional strain and the uncertainty and the 
     
     
  
 
 
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     difficulty that sort of surrounds what we're doing. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And it's like at a certain point, you have to decide, "Well, what are you going to take 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     What are you going to not, what are you going to take out of the box because the box is 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     It can't hold as much as it used to." 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And that calculus is really complicated, but it's one of those things. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     There is no way to change that. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Like you can't just like say, sort of like the old thing of, "Oh, I wish I had 25 hours 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     It's like, you can't. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Like they're sort of trying to sort of fake it by working extra hours. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It's like all you're doing is you're taking away from sleep, probably, or you're taking 
     
     
  
 
 
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     away from relationships, or you're taking away from something else. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Like ultimately, everything has to balance out. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And I think what's, it certainly is, everyone's situation is different. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And I think it is certainly one of the great things that I'm very appreciative of, of the 
     
     
  
 
 
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     kind of the typical sort of software development lifecycle is such that it is one that has 
     
     
  
 
 
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     a lot of slack in it. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     That it is a situation where if I need to take out several units of software development 
     
     
  
 
 
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     so that I can make sure that I don't have to take out any of my, you know, sort of sleep 
     
     
  
 
 
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     or wellbeing or relationships or connection, I can leave all those in the box and I can 
     
     
  
 
 
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     take out some work right now. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Like that is a tremendously fortunate place to be. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And obviously that's dependent on the kind of work you do. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And even if you are an independent developer, if you're doing a lot of consulting work or 
     
     
  
 
 
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     something like that, where even if it's, you know, even sort of in the most specific cases, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     if it's like hourly consulting, that there's like a very fixed number of hours that you 
     
     
  
 
 
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     need to be sitting down working on a project. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Like maybe you don't have that flexibility to be able to do that. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     But there's a certainly is important to understand that ever all of these things are going to 
     
     
  
 
 
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     be this necessary trade off that like, whatever, you know, you have to decide what are the 
     
     
  
 
 
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     things that you're going to allow you, what you're going to choose to put into the box 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and understand that when things are all turned upside down, like that calculus and that choice 
     
     
  
 
 
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     is going to be harder. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And unfortunately, most of the things that you can do to kind of try if you want to try 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and keep your productivity normal in an unnormal time, are going to ultimately probably make 
     
     
  
 
 
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     it worse in the long term. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     That if you take like, it's very, very normal right now to feel emotional in big ways. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And that can be all kinds of different emotions. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     But like, it's going to be just general latent emotional state right now, at least for myself 
     
     
  
 
 
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     is very much higher than, you know, it was perhaps a year ago. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And so, like, understand that, but like, if I don't, if I decided to, like, instead of 
     
     
  
 
 
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     taking out work, if I took out sleep, or exercise or diet or those types of things, and it's 
     
     
  
 
 
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     like left, left all my work in there, my emotional state is all is necessarily going to suffer. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And ultimately, like, that's, it's going to be counterproductive that I'm going to eventually 
     
     
  
 
 
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     not be able to do that, especially in a situation like this, where it isn't a short term fixed 
     
     
  
 
 
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     duration, like sprint, it's this very open ended, who knows how long situation. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And like, it's also really something that's also probably worth saying is, it's also really 
     
     
  
 
 
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     a common thing, at least for myself to not know what I should be doing. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     That it's easy, you know, like, for me to, like, have a nice picture of like, I have 
     
     
  
 
 
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     this box, and I have these different boxes that I want to put inside of it. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And I can kind of sit there and I can play the play the Jenga game of what I want to 
     
     
  
 
 
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     put in and what I want to take out. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     The reality is, is very often I often just feel like I don't know what I'm doing, and 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I don't know what to do. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And I think in those situations, it's certainly like there are things that I find that the 
     
     
  
 
 
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     easiest things to start with are the things that you know, will sort of build you up into 
     
     
  
 
 
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     things that will encourage you and improve your physical and mental health. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And putting those things in first, and then seeing what you have left to make decisions 
     
     
  
 
 
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     with is a great place to, I think, start kind of just filtering through these big feelings 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and dealing with like, what do you do when everything's going crazy? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It's like, start with the things that you know kind of make it better for you. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And if ultimately, like, other things fall out and things don't get put back in the 
     
     
  
 
 
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     box, like, that's totally fine. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And that's totally normal. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     One thing I've been helped by a lot during this time is that, as developers, we know 
     
     
  
 
 
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     that there's some work that's just not very fun to do that we have to do. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Fixing some kind of obscure, deep crash in something that affects 1% of your people, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     that's not fun. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Or adopting some new Apple technology that you kind of have to, but you haven't been 
     
     
  
 
 
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     looking forward to. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Like, "Oh, great, they deprecated this entire old API, and I have to replace it with this 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     There's certain kind of just grunt work involved here. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     There's also fun stuff. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Everyone loves starting a new project. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     New stuff is always fun. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     People love starting new projects. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I can absolutely confirm this. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     Well, new projects, new features, new apps, new little fun stuff, that's like the ice 
     
     
  
 
 
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     cream of development. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It's like, everyone loves that part. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Starting the new stuff is great. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Grinding away at maintenance or old stuff is less fun. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     You mentioned before, trying to figure out what you want to do during this time. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     One thing that helped me a lot is I wrote the entire ATP CMS in this time. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It's been a large project. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It's still ongoing because I'm building the membership stuff now. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It's still ongoing. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Starting a new project, even though I've also been doing overcast work at the same time, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     but just a lot less of it. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I've been focusing much more on the ATP stuff for now because I needed something to get 
     
     
  
 
 
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     me out of the unproductivity funk that I was in for a month or more at the beginning of 
     
     
  
 
 
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     the project. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I knew that working on a bug fix version of overcast is not going to do that. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Working on a brand new, totally different kind of project that was a lot of fun and 
     
     
  
 
 
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     it's smaller scope, easier in a lot of ways, that really got me going again. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I wouldn't say I'm in a great state of mind in the middle of all this, but my state 
     
     
  
 
 
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     of mind was dramatically improved once I got going on that project. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I broke the funk. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I broke the inactive depression period. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I shoved myself into this project that made me very happy. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     You mentioned exercise a minute ago and I'm sure we're going to talk more about it 
     
     
  
 
 
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     in a second, but one of the reasons why you want to exercise is that you feel good after 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     For me, I also feel that same kind of satisfaction when I've exercised my brain. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     For a month, I didn't do that. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Once I started exercising my brain again by having these solid coding productivity days, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I felt significantly improved on those days. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I've tried to keep that going as much as I could because, again, at times like this, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     take whatever you can get. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I think favored projects are doing the work that you enjoy. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     There's just work that we enjoy as developers. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     There's reasons why we got into this business in the first place. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     There's certain kinds of problems, certain kinds of tasks that are interesting and fun. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I definitely agree that this is a tremendously good opportunity to try as best you can to 
     
     
  
 
 
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     work on that. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     If you have the ability and the flexibility to do that, pick up a feature or a project 
     
     
  
 
 
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     or an idea that you are excited about. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Honestly, if you have any excitement about anything when it feels like the world's falling 
     
     
  
 
 
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     apart, go with that. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Don't let that spark go out. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Fan that flame as much as you can and take advantage of it. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I find it's very hard to force your mind to do something it doesn't want to do or it doesn't 
     
     
  
 
 
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     feel like you're excited or interested in doing. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Eventually that grunt work, that deep bug fix that you're trying to find that affects 
     
     
  
 
 
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     a few numbers of people, eventually you're probably going to have to do it. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Maybe not, who knows? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Maybe it's actually not as big of a deal as you thought. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     But the reality is, if you have something that's exciting to you, go for it. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     That was the entire reason I just finished building this whole map, built an entire mapping 
     
     
  
 
 
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     system for the Apple Watch from scratch because it just wedged in my brain. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I was like, "I'm excited about this. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I'm going to work on it." 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I did and I felt productive. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Just like you said, there is something good and wholesome about building something and 
     
     
  
 
 
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     being productive and having that sense that you accomplish something that is a positive 
     
     
  
 
 
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     for your mental health and a positive for your ability to get back into the groove and 
     
     
  
 
 
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     maybe be able to tackle less favorite projects. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     But I think it's a great opportunity to think of that and to find things that you 
     
     
  
 
 
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     have that kind of interest for. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     This is the perfect opportunity to do that. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Whatever that might be, that can be small, that could be big, it can be learning something 
     
     
  
 
 
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     that you've been wanting to learn for a while but have been putting off. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Maybe now is an interesting time to do that. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It's just going to be very different for everyone but that's definitely something that I've 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     It's certainly something that I'm continuing to do. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I have my list of features that are my grown-up, "One day I'll need to deal with this bug 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     But the reality is I'm having much more fun and much more actual productivity building 
     
     
  
 
 
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     new stuff that I think is interesting. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Every time I pick up one of those features or these bugs that I need to track down, I 
     
     
  
 
 
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     end up spending four hours doing nothing. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I'm just running around hitting dead ends and my productivity and my ability to do that 
     
     
  
 
 
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     kind of work right now is just limited. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I feel like that's the work you have to do when you're in a prime state where everything 
     
     
  
 
 
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     is going right and everything is good. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     If you're not in a prime state because everything around you is not so good, that's not the 
     
     
  
 
 
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     time to worry about those features. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     As best you can, just put them off. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So many other things that I think we can do outside of the work itself too. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Exercise is great just in terms of being active is just good for our well-being. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I think especially now, it is something that is so hard to be outside that whatever fitness 
     
     
  
 
 
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     looks like for you, you can do some amount of exercise in any amount of space. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:23:29
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     You don't need a huge amount of space or equipment or a situation to just be up and active and 
     
     
  
 
 
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     get your blood flowing. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     That has just tremendous positive effects on you. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I think another related thing is just the importance of taking breaks. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Fitness and exercise is a great break to take. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:23:46
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     That's a nice short thing to say, "In the middle of the day, I'm going to stop and 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I'm going to do 100 jumping jacks," or whatever it might be. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:23:54
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     Do 10 push-ups. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:23:55
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     It doesn't actually matter what you're doing, but taking breaks from your work and 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:24:00
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     exercise is a great place to do that. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:24:02
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     That can be a short thing or a long thing, but just giving yourself permission that you 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:24:07
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     don't need to be nose to the grindstone the whole time. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:24:11
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     Even better is perhaps if you can take those breaks and combine exercise and nature, like 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:24:16
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     going for a walk outside, going for a run, going for a bike ride, whatever is appropriate 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:24:20
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     for your situation. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:24:22
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     I find that just being outside and being around nature is just very soothing in general. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:24:29
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     Something that I think is a very apt and effective thing, if that's something that's possible 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:24:34
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     for you to do right now, it's a great way to take a break and reset and just lower the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:24:41
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     – I feel like it lowers my anxiety when I'm just out in nature. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:24:46
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     It's certainly a strategy that I've been using a lot recently to try and help. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:24:51
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     Yeah, I've been doing all that as well because there are real reasons for this. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:24:57
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     There's actual body chemistry and body health improvements that happen when you get any 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:25:03
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     exercise or when you get sunlight and fresh air. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:25:07
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     This is not just mumbo jumbo, hippie stuff. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:25:10
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     This is actually real science. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:25:13
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     Your body actually is healthier and happier when you have exercise and fresh air and sunlight. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:25:20
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     Do what you can. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:25:21
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     Again, it's like because we're in a hard time, we keep saying just do what you can 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:25:25
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     to improve things for yourself and to get through it. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:25:28
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     This is part of that. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:25:29
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     Give yourself the best chance to feel good, as good as you can, by indulging yourself 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:25:36
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     in the things that you like, the work that you like, the activities that you like, and 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:25:41
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     by giving your body the chemistry it needs to be happy through things like exercise and 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     were saying earlier, if you just didn't work on your app for a year, how bad would 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Would you go out of business? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Would everyone immediately stop buying it? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Possibly if you're in a rough state, but probably not. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Most apps could take a long time without major updates and be fine business-wise. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     You do the updates usually because you want to or because you want to remain competitive 
     
     
  
 
 
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     or whatever, but you don't actually have to do that as much as you might think. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     That's something to keep in mind as well. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Finally, I think the timing of this, assuming that the rest of the year might be closer 
     
     
  
 
 
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     to normal, which granted is not a safe assumption, but assuming that the worst is probably behind 
     
     
  
 
 
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     us, this is actually a really good time for this in the year because we've talked about 
     
     
  
 
 
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     before the seasonality of being an app developer and how right before WWDC, for the few months 
     
     
  
 
 
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     before it, is a great time to not be doing a whole bunch of major changes to your app 
     
     
  
 
 
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     because the whole world that we rest on is about to shift when WWDC happens and then 
     
     
  
 
 
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     we have the summer of betas and the fall of releases and new hardware. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     This has always been a good time of year for us to do more exploratory work or try new 
     
     
  
 
 
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     projects or back off and do something fun while we wait for WWDC. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     The timing of this is actually really good. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     As we lead into WWDC in a couple of weeks now, I think it'll be interesting to see, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     first of all, how big of a year does this end up being for Apple because they've had 
     
     
  
 
 
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     challenges too because they've also been quarantined and slowed down and delayed probably in a 
     
     
  
 
 
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     lot of ways. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     We don't know how big of a year it's going to be for the APIs and for the platforms and 
     
     
  
 
 
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     later on for the hardware, but it's interesting to think we've had all this time that we could 
     
     
  
 
 
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     have been doing all this exploratory stuff and for the next few weeks we still can with 
     
     
  
 
 
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     basically no burden from Apple on you better hurry up and adopt this thing because right 
     
     
  
 
 
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     now we don't know what that is yet. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Honestly, I'm just excited about seeing what gets announced. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     One of my favorite things is coming up with finding a favorite project or finding something 
     
     
  
 
 
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     interesting. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     WWDC is ground zero for that. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Here is Apple coming up and saying, "Here's all this new interesting stuff that we think 
     
     
  
 
 
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     you should try and explore." 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It's like, "Hooray!" 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I'm really just looking forward to doing that. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It wouldn't surprise me at all if this is a year where it works well to be a bit more 
     
     
  
 
 
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     exploratory and enjoy that. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Especially if there's some new thing that you think is really cool and interesting, 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     If you're excited about it, it's a great time to dive into that. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I do hope that there is also something I will say that is slightly comforting to me about 
     
     
  
 
 
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     the thought of a WWDC keynote that has been such a fixture in my life for so long that 
     
     
  
 
 
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     there is something normative about it that it makes me hopeful that it will be an experience. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I know what to expect and I know what comes next. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Hopefully, we're getting into a more stable place and that will be a great opportunity 
     
     
  
 
 
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     to hopefully have this mid-year reset and kind of re-decide what I want to work on the 
     
     
  
 
 
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     rest of the year and just see where it goes. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I'm very much looking forward to it as well for all the same reasons. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     As you said, the fun part of development so often is that new stuff, new projects. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Go to Xcode, file a new project, and try something totally new. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Beta season is an especially fun time to do that. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I'm looking forward to the escape that will provide and to the little opportunities for 
     
     
  
 
 
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     satisfaction that we've got afterwards. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Hopefully it's a good year. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     The show will be after the keynote so we will know a lot more about it and we'll do it 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     We will talk to you then and have a wonderful two weeks, everyone. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Thanks for listening. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
 
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