The Accidental Tech Podcast

00:00:00 ◼   ► John how are you let's lighten the mood [TS]

00:00:01 ◼   ► how's things going with you John I'm [TS]

00:00:03 ◼   ► tired I'm exhausted you guys are making [TS]

00:00:05 ◼   ► any more exhaustion I seem to have [TS]

00:00:10 ◼   ► become the authority on not seeing easy [TS]

00:00:14 ◼   ► solutions to my problems so if somebody [TS]

00:00:18 ◼   ► didn't tell you about our sink now I [TS]

00:00:20 ◼   ► have heard about our sink and I actually [TS]

00:00:22 ◼   ► have used it for years literally years [TS]

00:00:24 ◼   ► but that's not the issue um I've been [TS]

00:00:27 ◼   ► working on an app that I don't [TS]

00:00:28 ◼   ► particularly want to talk about these [TS]

00:00:29 ◼   ► specifics on the show but suffice to say [TS]

00:00:32 ◼   ► it relates to health kit which already [TS]

00:00:34 ◼   ► means I'm kind of treading on [TS]

00:00:35 ◼   ► underscores waters actually but whatever [TS]

00:00:37 ◼   ► so I asked him you know hey is there any [TS]

00:00:41 ◼   ► way to export health kit data and bring [TS]

00:00:45 ◼   ► it into the simulator because I prefer [TS]

00:00:47 ◼   ► to do most of my development against [TS]

00:00:48 ◼   ► simulator because it's quicker and [TS]

00:00:49 ◼   ► easier so I need a whole bunch of health [TS]

00:00:51 ◼   ► get data on on the simulator and I was [TS]

00:00:54 ◼   ► like man is there any way to export it [TS]

00:00:55 ◼   ► then like important places there's [TS]

00:00:57 ◼   ► somewhere on the file system or [TS]

00:00:58 ◼   ► something like that that I can do this [TS]

00:01:00 ◼   ► and in in the most polite way which is [TS]

00:01:03 ◼   ► underscores you know mo in the most [TS]

00:01:05 ◼   ► polite way he said to me these are my [TS]

00:01:07 ◼   ► words mind you you freaking idiot you [TS]

00:01:09 ◼   ► can get on iCloud on the simulator just [TS]

00:01:12 ◼   ► join your accounts on iCloud I don't [TS]

00:01:15 ◼   ► know you could do that you'll see but I [TS]

00:01:17 ◼   ► did know that you could do that but I [TS]

00:01:19 ◼   ► didn't put two and two together but this [TS]

00:01:20 ◼   ► is where it gets real bad and I [TS]

00:01:21 ◼   ► shouldn't share this publicly but here I [TS]

00:01:22 ◼   ► am he said I said to him but underscore [TS]

00:01:26 ◼   ► here's the thing I want to be able to [TS]

00:01:28 ◼   ► like save things to health kit but I [TS]

00:01:30 ◼   ► don't want them to actually save too you [TS]

00:01:33 ◼   ► know like the canonical instance of [TS]

00:01:35 ◼   ► health kids so in other words if I save [TS]

00:01:37 ◼   ► I don't know like in at like a workout [TS]

00:01:39 ◼   ► which is not actually what this app does [TS]

00:01:41 ◼   ► but for the sake of conversation I save [TS]

00:01:42 ◼   ► a workout I don't want it to go to like [TS]

00:01:44 ◼   ► my actual canonical health kit I don't [TS]

00:01:48 ◼   ► know identity for lack of a better word [TS]

00:01:50 ◼   ► a repository I want that to kind of just [TS]

00:01:52 ◼   ► live alone on the simulator so without [TS]

00:01:54 ◼   ► batting an eye underscore says so sign [TS]

00:01:57 ◼   ► out of iCloud like two weeks away from [TS]

00:02:05 ◼   ► having an arm full of Apple watches like [TS]

00:02:07 ◼   ► underscore does you know this is such [TS]

00:02:11 ◼   ► easy solution why do I not see these [TS]

00:02:13 ◼   ► things I maybe I'm just a really crummy [TS]

00:02:15 ◼   ► developer and I don't realize it but uh [TS]

00:02:18 ◼   ► golly like I don't think I'm an [TS]

00:02:19 ◼   ► exceptionally great developer but I [TS]

00:02:20 ◼   ► didn't think I was that bad of a [TS]

00:02:22 ◼   ► developer why don't why don't I see [TS]

00:02:24 ◼   ► these things why can't I why can't i [TS]

00:02:25 ◼   ► recognize this [TS]

00:02:26 ◼   ► so everyone hire KC for your development [TS]

00:02:28 ◼   ► [Laughter] [TS]

00:02:31 ◼   ► that's the trick that's the ticket right [TS]

00:02:34 ◼   ► there you really do a good job at [TS]

00:02:35 ◼   ► selling yourself this is why I don't [TS]

00:02:37 ◼   ► want to this is why I don't want to be [TS]

00:02:38 ◼   ► an independent consultant I love that [TS]

00:02:41 ◼   ► you you keep I heard your episode of [TS]

00:02:43 ◼   ► analog it was very good last episode of [TS]

00:02:45 ◼   ► analog where Mike talk to you through a [TS]

00:02:47 ◼   ► lot of this stuff which I highly suggest [TS]

00:02:48 ◼   ► anyway everybody listen to just because [TS]

00:02:51 ◼   ► it's a good show to begin with but also [TS]

00:02:52 ◼   ► if you're interested in our arc of [TS]

00:02:54 ◼   ► trying to convince Casey to you know go [TS]

00:02:56 ◼   ► out on his own somehow it was a very [TS]

00:02:58 ◼   ► good episode and and and I think and we [TS]

00:03:01 ◼   ► even got we got this like two thousand [TS]

00:03:02 ◼   ► word email that it does seem like your [TS]

00:03:07 ◼   ► heart is not really in consulting like [TS]

00:03:08 ◼   ► it does seem like you don't really care [TS]

00:03:10 ◼   ► to do it right and that's the thing [TS]

00:03:11 ◼   ► that's the thing then you know fine I'm [TS]

00:03:14 ◼   ► not gonna I'm not gonna push that [TS]

00:03:15 ◼   ► anymore because to do anything like that [TS]

00:03:18 ◼   ► you have to you have to be a little more [TS]

00:03:20 ◼   ► into it then than what you are so that's [TS]

00:03:22 ◼   ► what I'm not gonna happen so okay I'll [TS]

00:03:24 ◼   ► stop pushing that button I do however [TS]

00:03:26 ◼   ► think it's hilarious that you keep [TS]

00:03:28 ◼   ► trying to trade in these like these ways [TS]

00:03:30 ◼   ► that you can immediately get a lot of [TS]

00:03:31 ◼   ► money for things that take like years to [TS]

00:03:34 ◼   ► build up to a livable wage like I think [TS]

00:03:36 ◼   ► I'm gonna start a YouTube app and making [TS]

00:03:38 ◼   ► small indie apps or YouTube channel [TS]

00:03:42 ◼   ► rather excuse me yeah that's indie [TS]

00:03:43 ◼   ► success right there guaranteed everyone [TS]

00:03:46 ◼   ► is making money hand over fist in the [TS]

00:03:48 ◼   ► App Store on YouTube there's no way for [TS]

00:03:51 ◼   ► this to be for this to be a disaster [TS]

00:03:52 ◼   ► right here's what you do you get five [TS]

00:03:54 ◼   ► envelopes in each one you put $5 you [TS]

00:03:56 ◼   ► mail the top two to these people then [TS]

00:03:58 ◼   ► you mail it a whole buncha letter so [TS]

00:03:59 ◼   ► it's like it's like this like like if [TS]

00:04:03 ◼   ► you started doing these things ten years [TS]

00:04:05 ◼   ► ago you might now have enough to live on [TS]

00:04:07 ◼   ► exactly these are slow slow buildings [TS]

00:04:10 ◼   ► slow like it takes a while [TS]

00:04:12 ◼   ► [Laughter] [TS]

00:04:14 ◼   ► that's so true I don't know I don't know [TS]

00:04:17 ◼   ► I have been waffling about this Erin and [TS]

00:04:19 ◼   ► I have been talking a lot about this and [TS]

00:04:21 ◼   ► and I I not in [TS]

00:04:23 ◼   ► in an angry way like I'm not upset about [TS]

00:04:24 ◼   ► it at all but I'm I I don't want to talk [TS]

00:04:26 ◼   ► about anymore at this particular moment [TS]

00:04:28 ◼   ► because I feel like all I've been doing [TS]

00:04:29 ◼   ► stressing about it for the last month [TS]

00:04:30 ◼   ► and a half but I have such conflicted [TS]

00:04:33 ◼   ► and mixed thoughts that I don't know [TS]

00:04:36 ◼   ► what to do and it's like you know I [TS]

00:04:38 ◼   ► think your your assessment is accurate [TS]

00:04:41 ◼   ► that the idea of just $10.99 in my way [TS]

00:04:43 ◼   ► through life that is to say being an [TS]

00:04:45 ◼   ► independent consultant like there are [TS]

00:04:48 ◼   ► ways in which I think that would be fun [TS]

00:04:49 ◼   ► like let's say for the sake of [TS]

00:04:51 ◼   ► discussion I can I can wave my magic [TS]

00:04:52 ◼   ► wand and I can have you give me [TS]

00:04:56 ◼   ► I don't know between 5 and 10 hours of [TS]

00:04:57 ◼   ► work a week I can have underscore give [TS]

00:04:59 ◼   ► me 5 to 10 hours of work a week I can [TS]

00:05:01 ◼   ► have some of my other independent you [TS]

00:05:03 ◼   ► know app developers like you know jelly [TS]

00:05:05 ◼   ► who works on gift-wrapped which if you [TS]

00:05:06 ◼   ► believe in animated gifs at all you [TS]

00:05:08 ◼   ► should have or you know Curtis who works [TS]

00:05:10 ◼   ► on slopes as another example which if [TS]

00:05:12 ◼   ► you believe in skiing or snowboarding [TS]

00:05:13 ◼   ► you should have that app you know if any [TS]

00:05:16 ◼   ► of these people if all of you guys an [TS]

00:05:18 ◼   ► underscore of course you know if you [TS]

00:05:19 ◼   ► guys could each you know shave off 5 to [TS]

00:05:22 ◼   ► 10 hours each then then I could probably [TS]

00:05:24 ◼   ► make a living but the idea of just like [TS]

00:05:26 ◼   ► going out and chasing random people for [TS]

00:05:28 ◼   ► work and random businesses for work it's [TS]

00:05:29 ◼   ► just just the thought of is it it is [TS]

00:05:31 ◼   ► extremely tiring and that's not to say [TS]

00:05:34 ◼   ► that that's bad or wrong or anything [TS]

00:05:36 ◼   ► else it's just I don't see your point [TS]

00:05:38 ◼   ► Marco I don't think my heart is in [TS]

00:05:40 ◼   ► chasing chasing work from random people [TS]

00:05:42 ◼   ► and and I mean that in a nasty way just [TS]

00:05:45 ◼   ► in in in an observational way so well I [TS]

00:05:47 ◼   ► do wonder though I think the the part of [TS]

00:05:49 ◼   ► that of the 2,000 word email that we got [TS]

00:05:52 ◼   ► that was mostly a little bit off-putting [TS]

00:05:54 ◼   ► but the part of it I thought was was [TS]

00:05:56 ◼   ► interesting and potentially a good path [TS]

00:05:58 ◼   ► to consider is the part where the author [TS]

00:06:01 ◼   ► says that you know clearly your heart's [TS]

00:06:03 ◼   ► not in consulting which I think was true [TS]

00:06:05 ◼   ► but that maybe you should consider being [TS]

00:06:09 ◼   ► like the Swift person like yes and who [TS]

00:06:12 ◼   ► has been a lot of instructional Swift [TS]

00:06:14 ◼   ► content like you know granted that's a [TS]

00:06:16 ◼   ► very crowded market there's a lot of [TS]

00:06:17 ◼   ► people who have been doing a lot of [TS]

00:06:18 ◼   ► instructional Swift content for a long [TS]

00:06:20 ◼   ► time [TS]

00:06:21 ◼   ► but you also already have an existing [TS]

00:06:24 ◼   ► audience of developers which is pretty [TS]

00:06:26 ◼   ► good like that's that's a pretty good [TS]

00:06:28 ◼   ► advantage to start with and and so you [TS]

00:06:30 ◼   ► do have a bit of an unfair advantage [TS]

00:06:31 ◼   ► there which you can used you know to [TS]

00:06:34 ◼   ► your advantage the other thing I would [TS]

00:06:35 ◼   ► say is [TS]

00:06:37 ◼   ► if it when when talking about like you [TS]

00:06:39 ◼   ► know who you could get consulting work [TS]

00:06:40 ◼   ► from don't do like me and underscore and [TS]

00:06:44 ◼   ► Curtis like we're all indie developers [TS]

00:06:46 ◼   ► working on indie budgets like yeah I [TS]

00:06:48 ◼   ► know it's like we're the worst people to [TS]

00:06:50 ◼   ► have trying to get consulting work for [TS]

00:06:51 ◼   ► because we can barely afford employees [TS]

00:06:54 ◼   ► like I think Margaret has pre fired you [TS]

00:06:56 ◼   ► I thought I might give him some hours if [TS]

00:06:59 ◼   ► he did this but like but you know I I'm [TS]

00:07:02 ◼   ► in a position that most in these are not [TS]

00:07:03 ◼   ► and and even I you know I couldn't [TS]

00:07:05 ◼   ► afford you full time although okay can I [TS]

00:07:08 ◼   ► just say publicly that it may be worth [TS]

00:07:12 ◼   ► maybe not the money but worth the [TS]

00:07:14 ◼   ► experience for both of us [TS]

00:07:16 ◼   ► to watch me have to slum it an [TS]

00:07:18 ◼   ► objective-c land and watch you have to [TS]

00:07:20 ◼   ► slum it and deal with an employee like [TS]

00:07:21 ◼   ► that would be hilarious on many [TS]

00:07:24 ◼   ► different levels the really interesting [TS]

00:07:26 ◼   ► reality show it would be the least [TS]

00:07:30 ◼   ► interesting but perhaps most funny cards [TS]

00:07:32 ◼   ► against humanity' to sponsor yeah right [TS]

00:07:35 ◼   ► but seriously like you don't let me [TS]

00:07:38 ◼   ► speak for you but I have the feeling [TS]

00:07:40 ◼   ► like even with me and I like to think I [TS]

00:07:42 ◼   ► get a little bit of special privilege [TS]

00:07:43 ◼   ► here you have no interest in having [TS]

00:07:45 ◼   ► anyone as like an employee in any [TS]

00:07:48 ◼   ► capacity and although I don't have any [TS]

00:07:50 ◼   ► real angst against Objective C I have [TS]

00:07:53 ◼   ► let's say I feel like it's a little bit [TS]

00:07:55 ◼   ► old and a little bit tired I mean that's [TS]

00:07:57 ◼   ► what could be said for all of us right [TS]

00:07:59 ◼   ► well that that's fair you do bad you'd [TS]

00:08:05 ◼   ► like you you send me off to work on some [TS]

00:08:06 ◼   ► bug fix and I like rewrite an entire [TS]

00:08:08 ◼   ► class and Swift and try to pass that by [TS]

00:08:10 ◼   ► I wouldn't do that for several different [TS]

00:08:11 ◼   ► reasons but just was take a discussion [TS]

00:08:13 ◼   ► like I write this entire class I rewrite [TS]

00:08:14 ◼   ► the entire class and Swift like here you [TS]

00:08:16 ◼   ► go here you go Marco this is good right [TS]

00:08:17 ◼   ► you just look at this not like what [TS]

00:08:19 ◼   ► I could just settle all this money on [TS]

00:08:22 ◼   ► fire by making you write unit tests well [TS]

00:08:25 ◼   ► I don't know if it on fire I almost [TS]

00:08:27 ◼   ► walked into that you bastard you're more [TS]

00:08:32 ◼   ► right than you are wrong you big jerk we [TS]

00:08:36 ◼   ► should get started [TS]

00:08:37 ◼   ► slash continue with talking about how [TS]

00:08:39 ◼   ► Siri is all up in front of the show [TS]

00:08:42 ◼   ► Daniel jelq it's business so who who [TS]

00:08:44 ◼   ► added this the show notes can tell me [TS]

00:08:46 ◼   ► what's going on I added the [TS]

00:08:48 ◼   ► here's the first account I read of I [TS]

00:08:50 ◼   ► think a story that I've heard from a lot [TS]

00:08:52 ◼   ► of people now as he relates to home pod [TS]

00:08:53 ◼   ► it's that you've got this thing in your [TS]

00:08:56 ◼   ► house and unfortunately it has the same [TS]

00:08:59 ◼   ► trigger phrase as a bunch of other [TS]

00:09:00 ◼   ► things that you might also have in your [TS]

00:09:03 ◼   ► house so once you get past the you know [TS]

00:09:06 ◼   ► being amazed that it can hear you over [TS]

00:09:08 ◼   ► the odd music or whatever and you just [TS]

00:09:09 ◼   ► happen to be in your house and you talk [TS]

00:09:11 ◼   ► to some device that may or may not be [TS]

00:09:13 ◼   ► your home pod and your home pod decides [TS]

00:09:16 ◼   ► oh I can totally hear you and I'm gonna [TS]

00:09:19 ◼   ► take this for you hang on I got it and [TS]

00:09:21 ◼   ► Apple has this thing where if multiple [TS]

00:09:24 ◼   ► devices are around and you say the [TS]

00:09:25 ◼   ► trigger word they negotiate amongst each [TS]

00:09:27 ◼   ► other to figure out who's gonna answer [TS]

00:09:28 ◼   ► but home pod will grab a request that it [TS]

00:09:33 ◼   ► can't handle just to tell you that it [TS]

00:09:36 ◼   ► can't do that all right so that it would [TS]

00:09:38 ◼   ► have worked if it was on your phone but [TS]

00:09:40 ◼   ► home pods grabs it maybe because it has [TS]

00:09:42 ◼   ► better microphones or because it like it [TS]

00:09:44 ◼   ► takes priority or whatever and then it [TS]

00:09:45 ◼   ► grabs it and says oh yeah no I totally [TS]

00:09:47 ◼   ► can't do that sorry about that so that's [TS]

00:09:50 ◼   ► not that's not nice behavior and a lot [TS]

00:09:52 ◼   ► of people have complained about that and [TS]

00:09:53 ◼   ► it's kind of another situation where [TS]

00:09:55 ◼   ► apples had a few of these where like [TS]

00:09:57 ◼   ► their best customers are more likely to [TS]

00:10:02 ◼   ► run into these complex problems right [TS]

00:10:05 ◼   ► Apple wants you to have a household of [TS]

00:10:07 ◼   ► Apple devices you got Macs and iPads and [TS]

00:10:08 ◼   ► phones and everybody should have one and [TS]

00:10:10 ◼   ► they should be all over the place and [TS]

00:10:11 ◼   ► yet if you do that you run into all the [TS]

00:10:14 ◼   ► situations in which apple doesn't handle [TS]

00:10:15 ◼   ► a houseful of devices we've talked [TS]

00:10:17 ◼   ► before about the you know families [TS]

00:10:19 ◼   ► sharing you know iCloud and photos [TS]

00:10:22 ◼   ► accounts you know the before the family [TS]

00:10:25 ◼   ► plans for iCloud storage existed before [TS]

00:10:27 ◼   ► was a while before Siri could understand [TS]

00:10:30 ◼   ► different people and you had to do the [TS]

00:10:31 ◼   ► training and everything so now can [TS]

00:10:33 ◼   ► distinguish voices well here's another [TS]

00:10:34 ◼   ► growing pane of the multi Apple device [TS]

00:10:38 ◼   ► lifestyle if you've got multiple things [TS]

00:10:40 ◼   ► in your house listening for the same [TS]

00:10:41 ◼   ► trigger phrase it's great that they [TS]

00:10:42 ◼   ► didn't go she ate with each other it's [TS]

00:10:43 ◼   ► not so great that the negotiation [TS]

00:10:45 ◼   ► results in the worst possible device [TS]

00:10:48 ◼   ► answering your question I mean the funny [TS]

00:10:50 ◼   ► thing is like in many ways it's actually [TS]

00:10:52 ◼   ► rewards you if you're a person who has [TS]

00:10:54 ◼   ► not gotten into the hey Siri ecosystem [TS]

00:10:56 ◼   ► like if you like like me like I I don't [TS]

00:10:58 ◼   ► leave it on my phones I tried [TS]

00:11:01 ◼   ► because I have like my iPad that just [TS]

00:11:02 ◼   ► sits in the kitchen all day for the most [TS]

00:11:04 ◼   ► part and I figured like maybe I could [TS]

00:11:06 ◼   ► use that the way I use the Amazon echo [TS]

00:11:08 ◼   ► like maybe I could set timers and stuff [TS]

00:11:09 ◼   ► using using hey Siri on the iPad and [TS]

00:11:11 ◼   ► I've tried that and it's terrible so I'd [TS]

00:11:13 ◼   ► never do it but oh crap my development [TS]

00:11:17 ◼   ► phones why you saying it see how nicely [TS]

00:11:21 ◼   ► I said trigger phrase like 9 times so [TS]

00:11:23 ◼   ► you're just rattling on them off and now [TS]

00:11:24 ◼   ► you're being punished no the rule is if [TS]

00:11:26 ◼   ► Phil Schiller can go on the talk show [TS]

00:11:27 ◼   ► and say hey Siri in front of everybody [TS]

00:11:28 ◼   ► have it not have nothing go off then I [TS]

00:11:30 ◼   ► can do it on on a podcast but he's got a [TS]

00:11:32 ◼   ► computerized chip in his throat that [TS]

00:11:33 ◼   ► masks and says if Isis won't pick it up [TS]

00:11:35 ◼   ► yeah like the Amazon echo ads in the [TS]

00:11:38 ◼   ► Superbowl by the way that's that Amazon [TS]

00:11:40 ◼   ► echo method where you cut out the 3 [TS]

00:11:41 ◼   ► kilohertz thing I played with that I [TS]

00:11:42 ◼   ► could not reproduce that I could not get [TS]

00:11:44 ◼   ► that to actually work and that post was [TS]

00:11:46 ◼   ► like a year old so I'm guessing it's [TS]

00:11:47 ◼   ► it's not did you see that I tweeted [TS]

00:11:49 ◼   ► something there's some paper about how [TS]

00:11:50 ◼   ► you can make basically any spoken phrase [TS]

00:11:52 ◼   ► be interpreted by speech recognition [TS]

00:11:54 ◼   ► engine as any other phrase that you want [TS]

00:11:57 ◼   ► you have to know the details of the [TS]

00:11:59 ◼   ► recognition engine but of course Amazon [TS]

00:12:00 ◼   ► does know the details it's pretty neat [TS]

00:12:02 ◼   ► it does you can notice that it's been [TS]

00:12:03 ◼   ► modified like there's noise added but [TS]

00:12:05 ◼   ► it's fascinating and terrifying that you [TS]

00:12:07 ◼   ► can have the audio say anything you want [TS]

00:12:09 ◼   ► and have the transcription say an [TS]

00:12:10 ◼   ► entirely different phrase yeah yeah [TS]

00:12:12 ◼   ► anyway so the point is like if you are a [TS]

00:12:14 ◼   ► a home pod person you actually have a [TS]

00:12:17 ◼   ► pretty good reason right now to disable [TS]

00:12:19 ◼   ► the hey dingus feature on as many [TS]

00:12:22 ◼   ► devices you can get away with it because [TS]

00:12:24 ◼   ► it's like like if you don't end up using [TS]

00:12:26 ◼   ► that much like if you're if you're [TS]

00:12:27 ◼   ► willing to just hit the button on things [TS]

00:12:29 ◼   ► you're way better off having that often [TS]

00:12:31 ◼   ► lots of devices because that way you [TS]

00:12:32 ◼   ► won't have this problem where the home [TS]

00:12:34 ◼   ► pod grabs it when it's actually not the [TS]

00:12:36 ◼   ► device that either you want or that even [TS]

00:12:38 ◼   ► can handle the requestor giving it could [TS]

00:12:41 ◼   ► add a good story to it he was using he [TS]

00:12:43 ◼   ► was timers for like a midday meditation [TS]

00:12:45 ◼   ► and the home pod grabbed the you know [TS]

00:12:47 ◼   ► please set a timer for whatever we're [TS]

00:12:49 ◼   ► just fine you know whatever and you can [TS]

00:12:50 ◼   ► set a timer for me but unlike the device [TS]

00:12:53 ◼   ► Cindy normally that he was trying to [TS]

00:12:55 ◼   ► talk to his his watch they're like taps [TS]

00:12:56 ◼   ► you when like your time is up [TS]

00:12:58 ◼   ► then the home pod would speak out loud [TS]

00:13:01 ◼   ► about setting the timer and about one a [TS]

00:13:03 ◼   ► time one offer really kind of harsh your [TS]

00:13:05 ◼   ► mellow when you're trying to meditate so [TS]

00:13:07 ◼   ► yeah that's the intentionality of what [TS]

00:13:10 ◼   ► you want like if you talk to your wrist [TS]

00:13:12 ◼   ► despite the fact that the home pod can [TS]

00:13:14 ◼   ► you just fine and like quote-unquote [TS]

00:13:15 ◼   ► wins the contest and it can support [TS]

00:13:17 ◼   ► timers it doesn't understand that you [TS]

00:13:20 ◼   ► were talking to your wrist anyone [TS]

00:13:21 ◼   ► looking at you would know you were [TS]

00:13:22 ◼   ► talking to your wrist because they'd see [TS]

00:13:23 ◼   ► you doing that but the home pod can't [TS]

00:13:25 ◼   ► see you maybe just needs cameras Wow but [TS]

00:13:29 ◼   ► on a happier note tell us about the [TS]

00:13:31 ◼   ► Sonos and wood furniture that's not [TS]

00:13:33 ◼   ► happy it's sad but yeah so no said I'm [TS]

00:13:37 ◼   ► sure lots of other audio and non audio [TS]

00:13:39 ◼   ► products that have the same feet made of [TS]

00:13:42 ◼   ► the same or similar material that like [TS]

00:13:44 ◼   ► soaks up the oil from the wood and [TS]

00:13:46 ◼   ► everything can also leave marks and I [TS]

00:13:49 ◼   ► think that's terrible I think that you [TS]

00:13:51 ◼   ► know again I said on a live show I [TS]

00:13:53 ◼   ► understand that it's important to have [TS]

00:13:54 ◼   ► something vibration absorbing down there [TS]

00:13:56 ◼   ► for audio performance but I have to [TS]

00:13:58 ◼   ► believe there is some substance on the [TS]

00:14:00 ◼   ► planet that is both squishy and does not [TS]

00:14:03 ◼   ► absorb oil from wood furniture leaving [TS]

00:14:06 ◼   ► rings or marks of any kind so shame on [TS]

00:14:08 ◼   ► Sonos shame on Apple and I believe we [TS]

00:14:11 ◼   ► have a technology to solve this we were [TS]

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00:14:54 ◼   ► it's fast their vision test is [TS]

00:14:57 ◼   ► self-guided and it takes less than five [TS]

00:14:59 ◼   ► minutes this is way faster than even [TS]

00:15:01 ◼   ► just making the appointments some where [TS]

00:15:02 ◼   ► simple contacts test uses your camera [TS]

00:15:05 ◼   ► and microphone to capture the same [TS]

00:15:07 ◼   ► information as an office visit and then [TS]

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00:15:11 ◼   ► exam carefully to make sure your eyes [TS]

00:15:13 ◼   ► look healthy and that your vision hasn't [TS]

00:15:15 ◼   ► changed from your prior prescription [TS]

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00:15:18 ◼   ► your periodic full eye health exam [TS]

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00:15:51 ◼   ► lenses that's simple contacts comm / ATP [TS]

00:15:54 ◼   ► code ATP for $30 off thank you so much [TS]

00:15:57 ◼   ► to simple contact for sponsoring our [TS]

00:15:59 ◼   ► show where's the home pod because I know [TS]

00:16:04 ◼   ► I don't and that's a no small part [TS]

00:16:06 ◼   ► because I friggin hate Siri Marco I do [TS]

00:16:08 ◼   ► not although that's in partially small [TS]

00:16:11 ◼   ► part because I've been traveling so I [TS]

00:16:12 ◼   ► wasn't actually anywhere where I could [TS]

00:16:14 ◼   ► buy one I have still thought about maybe [TS]

00:16:16 ◼   ► put it on the counter one day I want to [TS]

00:16:18 ◼   ► know actually I was thinking like [TS]

00:16:20 ◼   ► because I know like some of our friends [TS]

00:16:21 ◼   ► like Merlin are very positive about the [TS]

00:16:24 ◼   ► echo is that the spot the little [TS]

00:16:27 ◼   ► circular one I think that's right yeah I [TS]

00:16:29 ◼   ► was I was wondering maybe I could try [TS]

00:16:31 ◼   ► one of those because the one the one [TS]

00:16:32 ◼   ► reason I got the echo show for a day and [TS]

00:16:36 ◼   ► then returned it promptly was that I [TS]

00:16:37 ◼   ► really would like to see the progress of [TS]

00:16:39 ◼   ► the timer's counting down while cooking [TS]

00:16:41 ◼   ► you know right now I could just I just [TS]

00:16:44 ◼   ► asked the echo hey timer status but it's [TS]

00:16:46 ◼   ► you know ideally I could watch them or [TS]

00:16:48 ◼   ► see them you know without having to ask [TS]

00:16:51 ◼   ► something have it hear it over the fan [TS]

00:16:52 ◼   ► on the stove and then you know so anyway [TS]

00:16:55 ◼   ► so I was thinking maybe I could get an [TS]

00:16:57 ◼   ► echo spot put it on the little counter [TS]

00:16:59 ◼   ► right next to where we cook and then [TS]

00:17:01 ◼   ► have the home pod on like the kind of [TS]

00:17:05 ◼   ► like transitional counter to the big [TS]

00:17:07 ◼   ► great room and dining room area where [TS]

00:17:09 ◼   ► that's where the music should come from [TS]

00:17:10 ◼   ► so I thought about that but I don't know [TS]

00:17:12 ◼   ► I still I still think I want to wait it [TS]

00:17:16 ◼   ► just seems like there's so many like 1.0 [TS]

00:17:18 ◼   ► limitations and little annoyances here [TS]

00:17:20 ◼   ► and there that people are having and [TS]

00:17:22 ◼   ► also I got I'm not that hot on Siri so I [TS]

00:17:26 ◼   ► think I'm gonna wait a little bit or [TS]

00:17:28 ◼   ► until I have a really good reason for [TS]

00:17:30 ◼   ► overcast development oh we can hope we [TS]

00:17:33 ◼   ► can hope how about you John I actually [TS]

00:17:36 ◼   ► got something for Marco mark it on your [TS]

00:17:38 ◼   ► calendar [TS]

00:17:39 ◼   ► you got the whole [TS]

00:17:40 ◼   ► got a home pod yeah just one just one uh [TS]

00:17:44 ◼   ► which actually more than one would have [TS]

00:17:47 ◼   ► been cool but anyway I did I I knew I [TS]

00:17:49 ◼   ► had a place for it because I don't I put [TS]

00:17:51 ◼   ► it in the same room that I have my [TS]

00:17:52 ◼   ► Google home Mini which I got for free as [TS]

00:17:55 ◼   ► part of some other purchase and of [TS]

00:17:56 ◼   ► course you did never one play audio on [TS]

00:17:57 ◼   ► all right so there's competition for it [TS]

00:18:00 ◼   ► in terms of answering questions and in [TS]

00:18:02 ◼   ► general I think I'll probably still ask [TS]

00:18:05 ◼   ► questions to the Google home mini mostly [TS]

00:18:07 ◼   ► about who stars in movies that I'm [TS]

00:18:09 ◼   ► watching on television well I'm watching [TS]

00:18:11 ◼   ► them and yes I know that lots of [TS]

00:18:12 ◼   ► applications on Apple TV can do that for [TS]

00:18:16 ◼   ► you [TS]

00:18:17 ◼   ► some of them like I think the Amazon [TS]

00:18:18 ◼   ► won't even if you just pause it will [TS]

00:18:20 ◼   ► show you like who's on screen right now [TS]

00:18:21 ◼   ► so be aware of that but but anyway I [TS]

00:18:24 ◼   ► find myself asking questions of the [TS]

00:18:26 ◼   ► Google home mostly because force of [TS]

00:18:30 ◼   ► habit [TS]

00:18:31 ◼   ► but I don't really have anything in that [TS]

00:18:33 ◼   ► room that can play good audio that is [TS]

00:18:37 ◼   ► always on I do have [TS]

00:18:39 ◼   ► okay speakers attached to my TV but [TS]

00:18:41 ◼   ► usually that whole receiver and [TS]

00:18:42 ◼   ► everything is off when someone's not [TS]

00:18:43 ◼   ► watching TV so it's nice to have [TS]

00:18:46 ◼   ► something in there that you know it [TS]

00:18:49 ◼   ► sounds okay and that I can both speak to [TS]

00:18:52 ◼   ► to make it play something and in a pinch [TS]

00:18:54 ◼   ► airplay too so I subscribe to Apple [TS]

00:18:56 ◼   ► music I tried to do like some family [TS]

00:18:58 ◼   ► trial thing or whatever I still assume I [TS]

00:18:59 ◼   ► will unsubscribe eventually but I wanted [TS]

00:19:02 ◼   ► to give it a fair shot to say I want to [TS]

00:19:03 ◼   ► be able to just speak to the air and [TS]

00:19:05 ◼   ► have it play music and it sounds pretty [TS]

00:19:08 ◼   ► good [TS]

00:19:08 ◼   ► no I didn't put it on the coaster it is [TS]

00:19:10 ◼   ► sitting on top of my furniture but I [TS]

00:19:12 ◼   ► don't have any nice furniture in my life [TS]

00:19:14 ◼   ► period so I don't have to worry about it [TS]

00:19:17 ◼   ► let me see like my dining room tables [TS]

00:19:20 ◼   ► okay but anyway I don't have a nice [TS]

00:19:22 ◼   ► furniture for the most part so I don't [TS]

00:19:23 ◼   ► have to worry about it leaving rings [TS]

00:19:24 ◼   ► it's sitting on top of what I assume is [TS]

00:19:26 ◼   ► a computer printed photograph of wood [TS]

00:19:29 ◼   ► you know transferred onto some kind of [TS]

00:19:31 ◼   ► aluminum powder cover with the plastic [TS]

00:19:33 ◼   ► dust crappy piece of furniture that I [TS]

00:19:37 ◼   ► have I tried it in a bunch of different [TS]

00:19:39 ◼   ► positions to see how it would adjust its [TS]

00:19:41 ◼   ► sound [TS]

00:19:42 ◼   ► couldn't tell much of a difference you [TS]

00:19:45 ◼   ► know [TS]

00:19:46 ◼   ► I couldn't tell whether it was just [TS]

00:19:48 ◼   ► thing it's sound or whether just sound [TS]

00:19:49 ◼   ► different because it was in a different [TS]

00:19:50 ◼   ► place I do have a kind of near a corner [TS]

00:19:52 ◼   ► which i think is not great for Bumi [TS]

00:19:54 ◼   ► but I really it's really the best place [TS]

00:19:56 ◼   ► I have for the thing I got white mostly [TS]

00:20:00 ◼   ► because I couldn't decide and so I asked [TS]

00:20:01 ◼   ► my son he picked white which I think is [TS]

00:20:03 ◼   ► a reasonable choice because all the [TS]

00:20:04 ◼   ► other things are white as well in terms [TS]

00:20:08 ◼   ► of filling the room with sound tell that [TS]

00:20:11 ◼   ► it's a point source like that's why I [TS]

00:20:13 ◼   ► mentioned I could get two of them might [TS]

00:20:14 ◼   ► be better even if it wasn't just stereo [TS]

00:20:17 ◼   ► like I can tell the sound is coming from [TS]

00:20:19 ◼   ► that part of the room but of course you [TS]

00:20:20 ◼   ► expected to be able to tell that like [TS]

00:20:22 ◼   ► it's not it's not magic but it is let's [TS]

00:20:25 ◼   ► put it this way it is less enveloping [TS]

00:20:27 ◼   ► than the 5.1 system that I have on my TV [TS]

00:20:30 ◼   ► and yeah I probably sounds better than [TS]

00:20:31 ◼   ► the 5.1 system but the 5.1 system [TS]

00:20:33 ◼   ► surrounds the room so when I play you [TS]

00:20:36 ◼   ► know find out actually open those times [TS]

00:20:38 ◼   ► I play music like during Christmas Eve [TS]

00:20:40 ◼   ► like Christmas music when you're like [TS]

00:20:41 ◼   ► decorating the tree or on Christmas Day [TS]

00:20:42 ◼   ► or whatever it's nice to have it come [TS]

00:20:44 ◼   ► from all around and maybe I'll still do [TS]

00:20:46 ◼   ► that but it's in the room I talked to it [TS]

00:20:49 ◼   ► my my like out of box experience was not [TS]

00:20:52 ◼   ► the greatest because you go and you set [TS]

00:20:54 ◼   ► up a thing it shows a little picture of [TS]

00:20:55 ◼   ► the home pod you like yes set up and you [TS]

00:20:57 ◼   ► know you go through the whole thing [TS]

00:20:59 ◼   ► everything seems fine and then you can [TS]

00:21:03 ◼   ► go to the home app to control the device [TS]

00:21:07 ◼   ► or to do something I know I'd never even [TS]

00:21:08 ◼   ► launched my life so I launched the whole [TS]

00:21:09 ◼   ► map and there's my home pod that I just [TS]

00:21:11 ◼   ► set up and just got a big red message on [TS]

00:21:13 ◼   ► it that says like not responding it was [TS]

00:21:15 ◼   ► like that for is like what do you mean [TS]

00:21:16 ◼   ► not responding the thing is right there [TS]

00:21:18 ◼   ► I'm talking to it it's working fine how [TS]

00:21:19 ◼   ► can you tell me it's not responding [TS]

00:21:21 ◼   ► eventually it started responding and I [TS]

00:21:24 ◼   ► saw you can tap on it to like pause the [TS]

00:21:25 ◼   ► music and tap again to unpause and write [TS]

00:21:27 ◼   ► whatever and then like 15 minutes later [TS]

00:21:30 ◼   ► launched the home application again to [TS]

00:21:32 ◼   ► try to pause it from a different room [TS]

00:21:33 ◼   ► and there was a little spinner on it [TS]

00:21:35 ◼   ► like the little dodd spinner and the [TS]

00:21:37 ◼   ► spinner just spun there and it just spun [TS]

00:21:39 ◼   ► for like five minutes since I closed the [TS]

00:21:41 ◼   ► home app not you know what I don't know [TS]

00:21:43 ◼   ► what the deal with that is I don't know [TS]

00:21:44 ◼   ► what its problem was seems to work now [TS]

00:21:46 ◼   ► not a great experience just one of those [TS]

00:21:48 ◼   ► kind of like oh sometimes Apple stuff [TS]

00:21:50 ◼   ► doesn't work you do have to wait those [TS]

00:21:52 ◼   ► kind of kind of depressing I did all the [TS]

00:21:56 ◼   ► experiments everyone else did turn the [TS]

00:21:57 ◼   ► volume real loud talk to it it's [TS]

00:21:59 ◼   ► impressive how well I can hear you I was [TS]

00:22:01 ◼   ► not impressed with how quickly it [TS]

00:22:03 ◼   ► executed my commands it shows the most [TS]

00:22:07 ◼   ► when you're telling it to [TS]

00:22:08 ◼   ► playing a song because I do that all the [TS]

00:22:10 ◼   ► time with the with the Google home side [TS]

00:22:12 ◼   ► because my kids make them play things [TS]

00:22:13 ◼   ► and I want them to stop immediately [TS]

00:22:14 ◼   ► right so this is probably my most common [TS]

00:22:17 ◼   ► interaction I mean these devices tell it [TS]

00:22:18 ◼   ► to stop playing whatever audio it's [TS]

00:22:20 ◼   ► currently playing and the home pod will [TS]

00:22:22 ◼   ► do it but a little bit more lag than [TS]

00:22:25 ◼   ► there is when I'm telling any of the [TS]

00:22:26 ◼   ► Gould devices the Google devices like as [TS]

00:22:28 ◼   ► soon as I get the word out of my mouth [TS]

00:22:29 ◼   ► it's like boom the audio cuts off the [TS]

00:22:31 ◼   ► home pod seems like I have to think [TS]

00:22:33 ◼   ► about it for a half a second or so and I [TS]

00:22:35 ◼   ► find that a little bit annoying [TS]

00:22:36 ◼   ► considering it's much more expensive [TS]

00:22:37 ◼   ► than the other ones so yeah not no real [TS]

00:22:42 ◼   ► surprises are the only thing that I [TS]

00:22:44 ◼   ► didn't anticipate is how angry my [TS]

00:22:47 ◼   ► children would get when they try to talk [TS]

00:22:48 ◼   ► to it using the Google's trigger phrase [TS]

00:22:51 ◼   ► so they're constantly saying you know [TS]

00:22:54 ◼   ► okay Google or whatever to try to make [TS]

00:22:56 ◼   ► it do things especially again if it's in [TS]

00:22:58 ◼   ► the middle of something and one kid [TS]

00:22:59 ◼   ► wants to stop it playing audio play a [TS]

00:23:00 ◼   ► different one they're yelling at it to [TS]

00:23:01 ◼   ► be and this of the odd so the Google [TS]

00:23:03 ◼   ► thing is answering them at this you know [TS]

00:23:04 ◼   ► trying to play music at the same time [TS]

00:23:06 ◼   ► it's like you have to talk to but it's [TS]

00:23:08 ◼   ► like what they don't understand why you [TS]

00:23:10 ◼   ► would have to use a different phrase I [TS]

00:23:11 ◼   ► mean I guess you can explain like it's [TS]

00:23:13 ◼   ► not a Google thing or whatever but [TS]

00:23:14 ◼   ► that's stupid so yeah so I have I have [TS]

00:23:20 ◼   ► such mixed feelings about this so we got [TS]

00:23:22 ◼   ► a letter from Tim routers in in Tim said [TS]

00:23:26 ◼   ► I see some funny parallels between Apple [TS]

00:23:28 ◼   ► product launches even with you guys with [TS]

00:23:30 ◼   ► respect to home pod in your latest [TS]

00:23:32 ◼   ► episodes and Tim enumerates a bunch of [TS]

00:23:35 ◼   ► things in and I'll try to summarize his [TS]

00:23:37 ◼   ► summary so in when the iPod was released [TS]

00:23:39 ◼   ► in 2001 you know it enters an existing [TS]

00:23:42 ◼   ► market of mp3 players oh there's no [TS]

00:23:44 ◼   ► wireless so there's less space no Nomad [TS]

00:23:45 ◼   ► lame iPhone oh it's ridiculously [TS]

00:23:47 ◼   ► expensive it isn't a physical keyboard [TS]

00:23:48 ◼   ► no cop cut copy paste no 3G etc etc home [TS]

00:23:52 ◼   ► pod well it's ridiculously expensive it [TS]

00:23:54 ◼   ► doesn't do multi-room audio doesn't do [TS]

00:23:55 ◼   ► stereo doesn't do multi users fearless [TS]

00:23:57 ◼   ► serious is severely limited etc so Tim's [TS]

00:24:01 ◼   ► point as he continues I'm assuming he [TS]

00:24:03 ◼   ► continues every time Apple blitter [TS]

00:24:06 ◼   ► eights critics with its relentless focus [TS]

00:24:07 ◼   ► on continuous improvement so in so many [TS]

00:24:10 ◼   ► words why isn't home pod the same thing [TS]

00:24:11 ◼   ► all over again well I mean I don't think [TS]

00:24:14 ◼   ► it's fair to assume that every Apple [TS]

00:24:17 ◼   ► product that is a kind of weird or if he [TS]

00:24:19 ◼   ► or delayed or incomplete one point oh [TS]

00:24:22 ◼   ► we'll like you know grow up to be an [TS]

00:24:23 ◼   ► awesome 2.0 or 3.0 4.0 like the initial [TS]

00:24:26 ◼   ► iPod was really expensive and it was [TS]

00:24:29 ◼   ► pretty limited especially cuz it was [TS]

00:24:30 ◼   ► like Mac only at the time like it was [TS]

00:24:32 ◼   ► there were reasons to be skeptical of [TS]

00:24:34 ◼   ► the initial iPod and that market wasn't [TS]

00:24:37 ◼   ► really proven yet whereas you know over [TS]

00:24:40 ◼   ► time they did make it great and it was [TS]

00:24:42 ◼   ► very successful the original iPhone was [TS]

00:24:46 ◼   ► too expensive for a lot of people that [TS]

00:24:47 ◼   ► original one did not sell nearly as many [TS]

00:24:49 ◼   ► as the follow-up models but you know [TS]

00:24:51 ◼   ► over time they made the iPhone [TS]

00:24:53 ◼   ► ridiculously great I mean in my opinion [TS]

00:24:55 ◼   ► was pretty great from day one but it [TS]

00:24:57 ◼   ► they made it more successful and more [TS]

00:24:58 ◼   ► mass-market as time went on but like [TS]

00:25:01 ◼   ► look at the Apple watch the first [TS]

00:25:04 ◼   ► version the Apple watch was barely [TS]

00:25:06 ◼   ► usable it was really a pretty mediocre [TS]

00:25:09 ◼   ► product it had lots of problems lost [TS]

00:25:11 ◼   ► limitations lots of weird and bad design [TS]

00:25:13 ◼   ► choices they did it iterate that over [TS]

00:25:16 ◼   ► time but most of that iteration happened [TS]

00:25:18 ◼   ► with the help of additional hardware [TS]

00:25:20 ◼   ► generations and a couple of years of [TS]

00:25:23 ◼   ► software generations that doesn't mean [TS]

00:25:25 ◼   ► that we were wrong to criticize the [TS]

00:25:27 ◼   ► Apple watch 1.0 the Apple watch 1.0 [TS]

00:25:30 ◼   ► needed a lot of criticism the home pod I [TS]

00:25:33 ◼   ► think is gonna be more like that but [TS]

00:25:36 ◼   ► although I think it's probably starting [TS]

00:25:38 ◼   ► from a better place you know the home [TS]

00:25:40 ◼   ► pod is clearly at one point there's lots [TS]

00:25:42 ◼   ► of missing features there's lots of [TS]

00:25:43 ◼   ► things that are a little bit wonky or [TS]

00:25:45 ◼   ► don't quite work the way people want [TS]

00:25:47 ◼   ► them to but I do expect over time for [TS]

00:25:50 ◼   ► the home pod to get significantly better [TS]

00:25:52 ◼   ► that doesn't mean that this home pod [TS]

00:25:54 ◼   ► will get necessarily a better life that [TS]

00:25:55 ◼   ► might require new hardware so I think it [TS]

00:25:57 ◼   ► is fair to criticize this one and the [TS]

00:25:59 ◼   ► other side of this is that a lot of the [TS]

00:26:04 ◼   ► criticism about the home pod today is a [TS]

00:26:07 ◼   ► bath Siri and the limitations of Siri [TS]

00:26:09 ◼   ► and inferior performance in some areas [TS]

00:26:13 ◼   ► of Siri I don't think we can reasonably [TS]

00:26:17 ◼   ► assume that's going to get better at at [TS]

00:26:19 ◼   ► the same kind of pace that we're used to [TS]

00:26:21 ◼   ► seeing Apple products get better with [TS]

00:26:23 ◼   ► when you're mainly waiting on like [TS]

00:26:25 ◼   ► hardware advances like we need the CPU [TS]

00:26:28 ◼   ► in this thing to get faster that's gonna [TS]

00:26:30 ◼   ► happen that's you know that that's kind [TS]

00:26:32 ◼   ► of a sure thing to happen you know one [TS]

00:26:34 ◼   ► to two years after the launch of [TS]

00:26:35 ◼   ► version 1 of pretty much anything that [TS]

00:26:37 ◼   ► Apple makes when you're when you're [TS]

00:26:39 ◼   ► worried about like the local device [TS]

00:26:41 ◼   ► software getting better like apples [TS]

00:26:42 ◼   ► pretty good at local device software [TS]

00:26:44 ◼   ► there's some flaws here and there but [TS]

00:26:45 ◼   ► they're pretty good at it but Siri is [TS]

00:26:47 ◼   ► not new and has gotten better at a [TS]

00:26:51 ◼   ► glacial pace and in many ways has the [TS]

00:26:55 ◼   ► same problems to it as it did when it [TS]

00:26:56 ◼   ► launched like seven years ago I don't [TS]

00:26:58 ◼   ► necessarily think it's a reasonable [TS]

00:27:01 ◼   ► assumption that the home pods flaws that [TS]

00:27:04 ◼   ► are Siri related are about to get better [TS]

00:27:06 ◼   ► or gonna get better in two years I [TS]

00:27:09 ◼   ► actually don't think that's a safe [TS]

00:27:10 ◼   ► assumption I would love that to be the [TS]

00:27:12 ◼   ► case but the track record of serious so [TS]

00:27:14 ◼   ► far is is pretty slow progress and [TS]

00:27:18 ◼   ► certain types of things that basically [TS]

00:27:20 ◼   ► are always problems I don't see that [TS]

00:27:23 ◼   ► changing quickly at least not as a sure [TS]

00:27:26 ◼   ► thing so I think it is reasonable to [TS]

00:27:29 ◼   ► criticize home pod 1.0 for no one to be [TS]

00:27:31 ◼   ► making fun of us for criticizing the [TS]

00:27:33 ◼   ► things that are actually wrong with it [TS]

00:27:34 ◼   ► today and also to be a little skeptical [TS]

00:27:37 ◼   ► of Siri improvements being meaningful [TS]

00:27:40 ◼   ► that are coming anytime soon the funny [TS]

00:27:42 ◼   ► thing about this is is that Siri murder [TS]

00:27:45 ◼   ► at least my understanding the [TS]

00:27:46 ◼   ► implementation of Siri is one of the few [TS]

00:27:48 ◼   ► things that Apple could actually tweak [TS]

00:27:49 ◼   ► on their end without a software update [TS]

00:27:51 ◼   ► right like they can make tweaks to Siri [TS]

00:27:54 ◼   ► server-side and they can do that at any [TS]

00:27:57 ◼   ► time and obviously that's not a [TS]

00:27:58 ◼   ► universal thing but generally speaking [TS]

00:27:59 ◼   ► they can make Siri a lot better without [TS]

00:28:02 ◼   ► having to do any sort of software update [TS]

00:28:03 ◼   ► locally and so here's the one place [TS]

00:28:05 ◼   ► where Apple is most well equipped to [TS]

00:28:08 ◼   ► make changes and yet I completely agree [TS]

00:28:10 ◼   ► with you Marco that Siri has gotten [TS]

00:28:12 ◼   ► potentially even worse than when it was [TS]

00:28:15 ◼   ► new no it's not worse than it definitely [TS]

00:28:18 ◼   ► and they started out pretty bad it [TS]

00:28:19 ◼   ► definitely is better and and it is [TS]

00:28:21 ◼   ► getting better but it's getting better [TS]

00:28:23 ◼   ► at a very slow pace and it still is you [TS]

00:28:27 ◼   ► know it gains new abilities you know [TS]

00:28:30 ◼   ► about once a year which is not [TS]

00:28:32 ◼   ► frequently enough it you know gains like [TS]

00:28:34 ◼   ► new abilities about once a year but it [TS]

00:28:35 ◼   ► is not it seems like it hit a plateau of [TS]

00:28:39 ◼   ► reliability like roughly in year two or [TS]

00:28:42 ◼   ► three and hasn't really gotten more [TS]

00:28:45 ◼   ► reliable since then yeah the point I'm [TS]

00:28:48 ◼   ► driving at though is that [TS]

00:28:49 ◼   ► it's weird to me that this is the one [TS]

00:28:50 ◼   ► place where Apple could really you know [TS]

00:28:52 ◼   ► ship fast ship ship off and and and they [TS]

00:28:55 ◼   ► don't and it really bums me out and man [TS]

00:28:58 ◼   ► I have so many angry thoughts about Siri [TS]

00:29:00 ◼   ► that we'll probably get to next that I'm [TS]

00:29:01 ◼   ► just gonna leave for now but I agree [TS]

00:29:04 ◼   ► with pretty much everything you just [TS]

00:29:05 ◼   ► said [TS]

00:29:05 ◼   ► John so when you read this I think we [TS]

00:29:09 ◼   ► got all of it from the email and so I [TS]

00:29:11 ◼   ► think this like we didn't leave out any [TS]

00:29:13 ◼   ► examples and basically the only two [TS]

00:29:15 ◼   ► examples are iPod and iPhone the gist of [TS]

00:29:16 ◼   ► the email is you know why do you doubt [TS]

00:29:19 ◼   ► Apple like they haven't they proven the [TS]

00:29:20 ◼   ► doubters wrong right doesn't you know [TS]

00:29:23 ◼   ► the last night history proves you wrong [TS]

00:29:24 ◼   ► doesn't it right well I think to start [TS]

00:29:28 ◼   ► we have to say whatever whatever a [TS]

00:29:29 ◼   ► logical fallacy or statistical bias that [TS]

00:29:32 ◼   ► is you know you cherry picked like it's [TS]

00:29:33 ◼   ► a ipod an iPhone as two examples yes yes [TS]

00:29:37 ◼   ► there's the you know the famous [TS]

00:29:38 ◼   ► was it Rob motive of Slashdot anyone [TS]

00:29:41 ◼   ► remember slash time yeah no I probably [TS]

00:29:43 ◼   ► know where I let's let's paste in [TS]

00:29:44 ◼   ► nomadland that's what that quote is and [TS]

00:29:46 ◼   ► that people lots of people doubted the [TS]

00:29:47 ◼   ► iPhone right those are like the apples [TS]

00:29:51 ◼   ► two biggest products have for the Mac so [TS]

00:29:53 ◼   ► yeah you can pick them and say there [TS]

00:29:54 ◼   ► were doubters there were doubters for [TS]

00:29:56 ◼   ► ping two that didn't go anywhere [TS]

00:29:59 ◼   ► there were doubters for the iPod Hi five [TS]

00:30:00 ◼   ► doesn't go anywhere there were doubters [TS]

00:30:02 ◼   ► for the g4 cube that like you know yeah [TS]

00:30:03 ◼   ► if you just pick the ones that end up [TS]

00:30:05 ◼   ► being smash successes it can look like [TS]

00:30:06 ◼   ► hey history proves you wrong but setting [TS]

00:30:07 ◼   ► that aside like so whatever you know so [TS]

00:30:10 ◼   ► you can't use these as examples anything [TS]

00:30:12 ◼   ► but what's different about the home pot [TS]

00:30:13 ◼   ► then the success is what makes it more [TS]

00:30:16 ◼   ► likely to be more like whatever sort of [TS]

00:30:19 ◼   ► no not-so-great success then it is to be [TS]

00:30:24 ◼   ► like the iPod and the iPhone and I think [TS]

00:30:26 ◼   ► there is not to say that this means home [TS]

00:30:29 ◼   ► pot is not going to be a success but I [TS]

00:30:32 ◼   ► think it probably means a home pot won't [TS]

00:30:33 ◼   ► be as huge of success as the iPod iPhone [TS]

00:30:36 ◼   ► both of those things came into the [TS]

00:30:38 ◼   ► market and they were substantially [TS]

00:30:40 ◼   ► different than the existing players [TS]

00:30:42 ◼   ► obviously the iPhone was difficult is [TS]

00:30:45 ◼   ► amused about how it was different [TS]

00:30:46 ◼   ► there's no physical keyboard no one does [TS]

00:30:48 ◼   ► phones like that you can't make a phone [TS]

00:30:49 ◼   ► like this doesn't even have 3G all the [TS]

00:30:51 ◼   ► phones out there have 3G and you know [TS]

00:30:53 ◼   ► expensive but like the iPhone was not [TS]

00:30:56 ◼   ► just like a Nokia candy bar phone but [TS]

00:30:58 ◼   ► with an apple logo on it right it was [TS]

00:31:00 ◼   ► very very different [TS]

00:31:02 ◼   ► it had things that no other phone in the [TS]

00:31:04 ◼   ► market had that's you know the software [TS]

00:31:06 ◼   ► obviously no other phone in the market [TS]

00:31:07 ◼   ► behave like that people didn't even [TS]

00:31:08 ◼   ► think it could possibly be real right [TS]

00:31:10 ◼   ► the iPod was more conventional but still [TS]

00:31:13 ◼   ► it was smaller and more well integrated [TS]

00:31:16 ◼   ► than the other devices that you could [TS]

00:31:18 ◼   ► buy that hold lots of songs in them and [TS]

00:31:20 ◼   ► the key part about the iPod was that [TS]

00:31:22 ◼   ► normal people could successful it could [TS]

00:31:24 ◼   ► be successful at the task of taking your [TS]

00:31:26 ◼   ► music collection and putting it on this [TS]

00:31:27 ◼   ► device and listening to it I owned a [TS]

00:31:29 ◼   ► bunch of pre iPod solid-state music [TS]

00:31:33 ◼   ► players and if you remember they also [TS]

00:31:35 ◼   ► had pre iPod hard drive based ones over [TS]

00:31:37 ◼   ► the size of a truck right normal people [TS]

00:31:40 ◼   ► would if they bought those things at all [TS]

00:31:42 ◼   ► which they probably wouldn't tended to [TS]

00:31:44 ◼   ► be less successful again I know it was [TS]

00:31:45 ◼   ► that my wife was not successful getting [TS]

00:31:47 ◼   ► the audio onto her tiny little flash [TS]

00:31:49 ◼   ► whatever a samsung or maybe was [TS]

00:31:52 ◼   ► Panasonic I can remember like there were [TS]

00:31:54 ◼   ► a Yamaha that iPod was different than [TS]

00:31:58 ◼   ► the others in that it was better in all [TS]

00:32:00 ◼   ► ways in terms of like size and number of [TS]

00:32:03 ◼   ► songs that had held and it was better [TS]

00:32:05 ◼   ► and always related to user interface and [TS]

00:32:07 ◼   ► so even though it was very limited and [TS]

00:32:08 ◼   ► it was Mac only it was expensive and it [TS]

00:32:10 ◼   ► had no wireless and had less space than [TS]

00:32:11 ◼   ► a nomad which I think was the one of the [TS]

00:32:13 ◼   ► hard drive bass players in the market [TS]

00:32:15 ◼   ► yep it had significant advantages home [TS]

00:32:18 ◼   ► pod enters a market already populated by [TS]

00:32:22 ◼   ► devices that already do more than the [TS]

00:32:24 ◼   ► home pod does in exactly the same way [TS]

00:32:27 ◼   ► that the home pod intents that do it [TS]

00:32:28 ◼   ► there are cylindrical shape speakers [TS]

00:32:30 ◼   ► that play audio that you can talk to [TS]

00:32:32 ◼   ► right there is no differentiator for the [TS]

00:32:34 ◼   ► home pot except perhaps audio quality [TS]

00:32:36 ◼   ► and it's not like there's no competition [TS]

00:32:38 ◼   ► for audio quality Sonos has good audio [TS]

00:32:40 ◼   ► quality and depending on whose test you [TS]

00:32:42 ◼   ► look at even the google max thing seems [TS]

00:32:44 ◼   ► to be so so right so the home pod comes [TS]

00:32:48 ◼   ► in with no real differentiator like [TS]

00:32:51 ◼   ► there's nothing that it does that is [TS]

00:32:53 ◼   ► different it's not like everything else [TS]

00:32:54 ◼   ► has a physical keyboard and it doesn't [TS]

00:32:55 ◼   ► all the other ones require you to touch [TS]

00:32:57 ◼   ► them and the home pod lets you talk to [TS]

00:32:58 ◼   ► it no it's exactly the same feature set [TS]

00:33:00 ◼   ► and that's why the home pods getting [TS]

00:33:02 ◼   ► slammed because it comes into a crowded [TS]

00:33:05 ◼   ► market doing nothing different or better [TS]

00:33:08 ◼   ► than the competition and not doing many [TS]

00:33:12 ◼   ► things that the competition does and [TS]

00:33:13 ◼   ► like I said the only thing you could say [TS]

00:33:15 ◼   ► homebuyers go [TS]

00:33:16 ◼   ► for it is audio quality but even audio [TS]

00:33:17 ◼   ► quality / price you can get to Sonos [TS]

00:33:19 ◼   ► ones versus the home pod and two saunas [TS]

00:33:21 ◼   ► one sound just about as good as the home [TS]

00:33:22 ◼   ► pod with the possible exception of bass [TS]

00:33:24 ◼   ► most people say so that thin edge of [TS]

00:33:28 ◼   ► like okay well it's the best sounding [TS]

00:33:29 ◼   ► cylinder that you can talk that you can [TS]

00:33:30 ◼   ► get but on the other side of that coin [TS]

00:33:32 ◼   ► you can't talk to it in as many ways as [TS]

00:33:34 ◼   ► you can talk to these seven other [TS]

00:33:35 ◼   ► products means that it's getting slammed [TS]

00:33:39 ◼   ► for I think legitimate reasons and it [TS]

00:33:40 ◼   ► also means that unless something very [TS]

00:33:42 ◼   ► important changes it doesn't have the [TS]

00:33:45 ◼   ► potential to be a breakout hit in the [TS]

00:33:47 ◼   ► same way the iPhone the iPod dupe [TS]

00:33:48 ◼   ► because it isn't differentiated enough [TS]

00:33:50 ◼   ► even if it gets better at everything and [TS]

00:33:53 ◼   ► it is as good as the Google home devices [TS]

00:33:56 ◼   ► at answering your things and you know as [TS]

00:33:57 ◼   ► good as Sonos an audio quality or [TS]

00:34:00 ◼   ► whatever you've just caught up then [TS]

00:34:02 ◼   ► right whereas the iPhone was is either [TS]

00:34:05 ◼   ► gonna live or die based on the idea that [TS]

00:34:07 ◼   ► you can have a phone that's all screen [TS]

00:34:08 ◼   ► and guess what it lived right and same [TS]

00:34:10 ◼   ► thing with the iPod is the ease of [TS]

00:34:13 ◼   ► putting some music on this thing enough [TS]

00:34:14 ◼   ► to make up for the high price well you [TS]

00:34:16 ◼   ► know that turns out that it was [TS]

00:34:18 ◼   ► especially once it came to Windows the [TS]

00:34:20 ◼   ► iteration is definitely a thing but even [TS]

00:34:23 ◼   ► iteration can't save you entirely okay [TS]

00:34:25 ◼   ► not save you can't make you a wildly [TS]

00:34:27 ◼   ► successful Apple TV is a great example [TS]

00:34:29 ◼   ► Apple TV came out a long time ago back [TS]

00:34:31 ◼   ► when it was called ITV before the Apple [TS]

00:34:33 ◼   ► doesn't learn they couldn't use that [TS]

00:34:34 ◼   ► name [TS]

00:34:35 ◼   ► the original Apple TV was not popular [TS]

00:34:39 ◼   ► and did not succeed other devices came [TS]

00:34:42 ◼   ► on market and did better than the [TS]

00:34:44 ◼   ► original Apple TV eventually Apple you [TS]

00:34:47 ◼   ► know caught up and said we're gonna make [TS]

00:34:48 ◼   ► a little puck shape thing and we're [TS]

00:34:51 ◼   ► gonna do what everyone else is doing but [TS]

00:34:53 ◼   ► right now Apple TV is you know it can it [TS]

00:34:58 ◼   ► main advantages that you play your DRM [TS]

00:35:00 ◼   ► lock the Apple content but other than [TS]

00:35:02 ◼   ► that it has no great differentiator for [TS]

00:35:05 ◼   ► you know besides media login from all [TS]

00:35:07 ◼   ► the other you know television connected [TS]

00:35:09 ◼   ► devices and even some Smart TVs can like [TS]

00:35:11 ◼   ► play netflix just as well as the Apple [TS]

00:35:13 ◼   ► TV [TS]

00:35:13 ◼   ► so they iterated an Apple TV room for a [TS]

00:35:16 ◼   ► long time and it actually took them [TS]

00:35:17 ◼   ► essentially two tries to even figure out [TS]

00:35:19 ◼   ► what the correct you know features and [TS]

00:35:21 ◼   ► and price for for that type of device so [TS]

00:35:24 ◼   ► I think it's it's not like we're [TS]

00:35:27 ◼   ► doubting that the home pod will [TS]

00:35:29 ◼   ► you know be a successful product but I [TS]

00:35:33 ◼   ► think it is entirely reasonable to give [TS]

00:35:35 ◼   ► it all the criticism I think it's [TS]

00:35:37 ◼   ► getting and I think it's entirely [TS]

00:35:38 ◼   ► reasonable not to expect it to be a [TS]

00:35:40 ◼   ► breakout success like the iPod and the [TS]

00:35:42 ◼   ► iPhone at least at least unless it until [TS]

00:35:45 ◼   ► it comes out with some differentiator in [TS]

00:35:47 ◼   ► fact if it was it would have you know [TS]

00:35:49 ◼   ► they always say this like if people [TS]

00:35:51 ◼   ► aren't making fun of you you're probably [TS]

00:35:52 ◼   ► not gonna be that successful it if it [TS]

00:35:55 ◼   ► was more differentiated and did [TS]

00:35:57 ◼   ► something radically different that would [TS]

00:35:59 ◼   ► give it probably more potential because [TS]

00:36:01 ◼   ► like maybe it does maybe that weird [TS]

00:36:03 ◼   ► thing that it's doing that nobody else [TS]

00:36:04 ◼   ► is doing is going to be the thing that [TS]

00:36:05 ◼   ► makes it a great success right but now [TS]

00:36:08 ◼   ► you look at it it's like it's not doing [TS]

00:36:09 ◼   ► anything differently anyone else it's [TS]

00:36:11 ◼   ► doing exactly the same stuff only some [TS]

00:36:13 ◼   ► of it not as good and that doesn't spell [TS]

00:36:16 ◼   ► you know massive success it spells ok [TS]

00:36:20 ◼   ► success right even the watch I would say [TS]

00:36:22 ◼   ► is much more differentiated and even the [TS]

00:36:24 ◼   ► watch has taken a while to get going but [TS]

00:36:26 ◼   ► there was really no other SmartWatch [TS]

00:36:27 ◼   ► that had the basically the the power and [TS]

00:36:30 ◼   ► the you know the fashion sense that the [TS]

00:36:33 ◼   ► Apple watch did on its introduction so [TS]

00:36:35 ◼   ► even that had more potential upside than [TS]

00:36:37 ◼   ► the home pod so I think everyone is [TS]

00:36:39 ◼   ► lukewarm on the home pod for valid [TS]

00:36:41 ◼   ► reasons ok I mean it's just it's a fair [TS]

00:36:46 ◼   ► point like I I understand why the email [TS]

00:36:49 ◼   ► was written I just I don't currently see [TS]

00:36:52 ◼   ► it as the same and even if home had [TS]

00:36:55 ◼   ► version 7 is the best speaker that has [TS]

00:36:57 ◼   ► ever been made I don't think that [TS]

00:37:00 ◼   ► negates any of the criticisms we have [TS]

00:37:01 ◼   ► now and I'm trying to think of like what [TS]

00:37:04 ◼   ► would be a breakout feature like you [TS]

00:37:05 ◼   ► know it's a feature that doesn't already [TS]

00:37:08 ◼   ► exist in the Google or Amazon or Sonos [TS]

00:37:10 ◼   ► product that the home pod could have and [TS]

00:37:15 ◼   ► you know just because I can't think of [TS]

00:37:17 ◼   ► one doesn't mean there isn't one there [TS]

00:37:19 ◼   ► could be one but nothing Apple has [TS]

00:37:21 ◼   ► announced I think fits that category [TS]

00:37:23 ◼   ► maybe well I don't know maybe like if [TS]

00:37:27 ◼   ► the home kit stuff ever takes off apples [TS]

00:37:29 ◼   ► do a better job of integrating all of [TS]

00:37:31 ◼   ► our light switches and doorbells and [TS]

00:37:33 ◼   ► whatever then Amazon currently does but [TS]

00:37:35 ◼   ► I don't know and you know in the [TS]

00:37:39 ◼   ► meantime we're all just hoping that home [TS]

00:37:40 ◼   ► pod catches up that its voice stuff is [TS]

00:37:43 ◼   ► that being as good as Google and Amazon [TS]

00:37:45 ◼   ► and that it gets all the capabilities [TS]

00:37:48 ◼   ► that Apple originally advertised for it [TS]

00:37:49 ◼   ► in terms of having multiple ones and [TS]

00:37:51 ◼   ► multi-room audio and all the other [TS]

00:37:53 ◼   ► things that some of its competitors [TS]

00:37:53 ◼   ► already have I want one [TS]

00:37:57 ◼   ► but I know I'm gonna be disappointed by [TS]

00:37:58 ◼   ► it and so that's why I'm bought one and [TS]

00:38:00 ◼   ► plus it's what is it three and fifty [TS]

00:38:01 ◼   ► four hundred dollars like that's it's [TS]

00:38:03 ◼   ► enough money that's that's not an [TS]

00:38:04 ◼   ► impulse buy to me and not to say that it [TS]

00:38:06 ◼   ► is to you to either just for me anyway [TS]

00:38:08 ◼   ► it's not an impulse buy and and so I I [TS]

00:38:11 ◼   ► just it's new and shiny and Apple made [TS]

00:38:15 ◼   ► its that means I should I should have [TS]

00:38:16 ◼   ► won that's that's the rule that's what [TS]

00:38:19 ◼   ► they tell me to do that's what uncle Tim [TS]

00:38:20 ◼   ► tells me to do and I don't know I'll [TS]

00:38:22 ◼   ► probably get one eventually but sitting [TS]

00:38:23 ◼   ► here now I just I know it's gonna [TS]

00:38:25 ◼   ► disappoint me yeah I I really want to [TS]

00:38:28 ◼   ► want the home pod more you know like [TS]

00:38:31 ◼   ► like I feel like I'm like on Apple's [TS]

00:38:33 ◼   ► team for pretty much everything else as [TS]

00:38:35 ◼   ► much as some people think I'm not I [TS]

00:38:37 ◼   ► really AM on Apple's team for the most [TS]

00:38:39 ◼   ► part and and the reason why I sometimes [TS]

00:38:42 ◼   ► criticism is because I like them so much [TS]

00:38:44 ◼   ► and because I think they're better than [TS]

00:38:45 ◼   ► everyone else in industry a lot of stuff [TS]

00:38:47 ◼   ► but it I really want so badly to love [TS]

00:38:51 ◼   ► and then buy everything that they make [TS]

00:38:53 ◼   ► but I can't like the home pod is about [TS]

00:38:57 ◼   ► 70 percent of the way there for me like [TS]

00:38:59 ◼   ► I need something else I need really good [TS]

00:39:01 ◼   ► airplay too or I need a reason for [TS]

00:39:03 ◼   ► overcast to be developing on it which [TS]

00:39:05 ◼   ► might be airplay to whenever that ships [TS]

00:39:06 ◼   ► or you I need you know a Siri kid a P I [TS]

00:39:10 ◼   ► like something's just something give me [TS]

00:39:12 ◼   ► something else you know close one of [TS]

00:39:14 ◼   ► these you know open check boxes here [TS]

00:39:16 ◼   ► that that that are making it you know [TS]

00:39:19 ◼   ► not quite enough for me [TS]

00:39:20 ◼   ► ultimately the thing that could really [TS]

00:39:22 ◼   ► make it awesome for me is if Siri gets a [TS]

00:39:25 ◼   ► lot better and I'm I think we might be [TS]

00:39:28 ◼   ► waiting on time for that [TS]

00:39:30 ◼   ► on the on the audio from the audio [TS]

00:39:33 ◼   ► quality or even just that did their [TS]

00:39:35 ◼   ► overall device quality and the [TS]

00:39:36 ◼   ► integration with the Apple ecosystem [TS]

00:39:37 ◼   ► home pod has the very easy potential to [TS]

00:39:41 ◼   ► be the audio : of Apple TV and that [TS]

00:39:44 ◼   ► there are lots of Apple TV like devices [TS]

00:39:47 ◼   ► that you can connect to your television [TS]

00:39:49 ◼   ► they can play like YouTube and Netflix [TS]

00:39:50 ◼   ► and Hulu [TS]

00:39:52 ◼   ► you know all the stuff right there's the [TS]

00:39:54 ◼   ► Apple TV is not the only competitor in [TS]

00:39:56 ◼   ► that market but a lot of people I know [TS]

00:39:58 ◼   ► who are in the Apple ecosystem and like [TS]

00:40:00 ◼   ► fancy Apple stuff instead of having a [TS]

00:40:02 ◼   ► Roku or fi TV they have Apple TVs and [TS]

00:40:04 ◼   ► why do they have them is it because [TS]

00:40:06 ◼   ► Apple TV is fantastically better than [TS]

00:40:08 ◼   ► fire TV and Roku yes it's better and [TS]

00:40:10 ◼   ► it's better in ways that Apple nerds [TS]

00:40:12 ◼   ► care about no trust me it's better I [TS]

00:40:14 ◼   ► mean I tried like maybe when I was at [TS]

00:40:16 ◼   ► two years ago when I tried like the all [TS]

00:40:18 ◼   ► I tried to Roku and a fire TV because I [TS]

00:40:21 ◼   ► was frustrated with the Apple TV and [TS]

00:40:22 ◼   ► I'll tell you what the Apple TV drives [TS]

00:40:25 ◼   ► me crazy but it's bet it's still better [TS]

00:40:28 ◼   ► than a bunch of them and I think it's [TS]

00:40:31 ◼   ► the difference is not that big I feel [TS]

00:40:33 ◼   ► like it's mostly aesthetic I like some [TS]

00:40:35 ◼   ► of the other remotes better than well [TS]

00:40:38 ◼   ► yeah [TS]

00:40:39 ◼   ► but but anyway like Apple TV is more [TS]

00:40:42 ◼   ► expensive but people buy it because it's [TS]

00:40:45 ◼   ► the Apple iasts one so home pod easily [TS]

00:40:48 ◼   ► could get the market for people who want [TS]

00:40:50 ◼   ► a cylinder they can talk to the plays [TS]

00:40:52 ◼   ► audio nicely and they're people who are [TS]

00:40:55 ◼   ► in the Apple ecosystem that are willing [TS]

00:40:56 ◼   ► to pay a little bit more for a nice [TS]

00:40:57 ◼   ► looking device that sounds really good [TS]

00:40:59 ◼   ► like that's the easy market right even [TS]

00:41:01 ◼   ► if it doesn't do everything the Google [TS]

00:41:02 ◼   ► home and echo do and you know and you [TS]

00:41:05 ◼   ► know setting aside sona's for now home [TS]

00:41:08 ◼   ► pod for sure should get that entire [TS]

00:41:09 ◼   ► market which is not a small market like [TS]

00:41:11 ◼   ► that's if it's if it can suddenly be as [TS]

00:41:13 ◼   ► successful as the Apple TV 4k I think [TS]

00:41:16 ◼   ► Apple would be OK for that for a 1.0 [TS]

00:41:18 ◼   ► product right and then they can go from [TS]

00:41:19 ◼   ► there [TS]

00:41:20 ◼   ► so I think there is a clear path to [TS]

00:41:22 ◼   ► okayness for the home pod even without [TS]

00:41:25 ◼   ► improving anything about it simply [TS]

00:41:27 ◼   ► because it is nice-looking and it sounds [TS]

00:41:29 ◼   ► good and it's integrated with the Apple [TS]

00:41:30 ◼   ► ecosystem and Apple people like you both [TS]

00:41:32 ◼   ► just said like to buy Apple stuff so I [TS]

00:41:34 ◼   ► think that's a gimme we are sponsored [TS]

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00:41:55 ◼   ► anymore for almost anything at all these [TS]

00:41:57 ◼   ► days even I hardly ever do it anymore [TS]

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00:43:15 ◼   ► talk about Siri I have thoughts so this [TS]

00:43:21 ◼   ► started a couple of weeks ago I was [TS]

00:43:23 ◼   ► having a conversation with my friend [TS]

00:43:25 ◼   ► Jamie Pinkham and we were we were [TS]

00:43:28 ◼   ► talking with a mutual friend of ours and [TS]

00:43:30 ◼   ► and Jamie had said you know serious [TS]

00:43:33 ◼   ► terrible but I applaud Apple for [TS]

00:43:35 ◼   ► sticking to their guns in regard to [TS]

00:43:36 ◼   ► privacy yeah we all know if they have [TS]

00:43:39 ◼   ► gathered more info on us it would be [TS]

00:43:40 ◼   ► better and I thought you know what he's [TS]

00:43:43 ◼   ► absolutely right and maybe the reason [TS]

00:43:45 ◼   ► I'm so grumpy about Siri is because [TS]

00:43:48 ◼   ► Apple isn't just you know for going and [TS]

00:43:51 ◼   ► issuing I think that's how you pronounce [TS]

00:43:53 ◼   ► Lord of shewing you know privacy they're [TS]

00:43:56 ◼   ► doing what I would want them to do which [TS]

00:43:58 ◼   ► is to do the right thing and keep new [TS]

00:44:00 ◼   ► user privacy at the forefront and you [TS]

00:44:03 ◼   ► know if their product is a little crummy [TS]

00:44:04 ◼   ► or because of it then so be it but then [TS]

00:44:07 ◼   ► I got thinking about it a little bit [TS]

00:44:08 ◼   ► more and it occurred to me but Siri [TS]

00:44:12 ◼   ► still sucks for a lot of things that [TS]

00:44:15 ◼   ► have nothing to do with my data like did [TS]

00:44:18 ◼   ► I tell the story on the show I think I [TS]

00:44:19 ◼   ► about asking when the the UVA Tech game [TS]

00:44:23 ◼   ► basketball game was and I'd asked for [TS]

00:44:26 ◼   ► like you know when is the Cavaliers game [TS]

00:44:28 ◼   ► on and it wanted to show me the [TS]

00:44:30 ◼   ► Cleveland Cavaliers okay fine and then I [TS]

00:44:32 ◼   ► asked like when it's the Hokie game on [TS]

00:44:33 ◼   ► and they was I don't know okay when are [TS]

00:44:35 ◼   ► the Hokies and Cavaliers playing each [TS]

00:44:37 ◼   ► other [TS]

00:44:37 ◼   ► yeah the they played each other six [TS]

00:44:39 ◼   ► months ago here's the score okay what [TS]

00:44:42 ◼   ► time is the Hokie basketball game oh [TS]

00:44:43 ◼   ► it's totally tonight at six o'clock why [TS]

00:44:45 ◼   ► do you ask like it's just in and that's [TS]

00:44:48 ◼   ► the thing that's so frustrating well one [TS]

00:44:50 ◼   ► of the things that's so frustrating to [TS]

00:44:51 ◼   ► me is that yeah I think Jamie was right [TS]

00:44:53 ◼   ► that in and of itself this things could [TS]

00:44:57 ◼   ► be a lot better or or you know Syria [TS]

00:45:00 ◼   ► would be more knowledgeable [TS]

00:45:01 ◼   ► if privacy wasn't as big a deal you know [TS]

00:45:05 ◼   ► if so much more of this stuff could be [TS]

00:45:06 ◼   ► crunched server side like if my entire [TS]

00:45:08 ◼   ► calendar was server side if all of my [TS]

00:45:10 ◼   ► email was server side and by that I mean [TS]

00:45:13 ◼   ► Apple could read all of it in so many [TS]

00:45:15 ◼   ► ways I feel like Siri could be so much [TS]

00:45:17 ◼   ► better and I respect Apple I truly and [TS]

00:45:19 ◼   ► honestly respect Apple for making their [TS]

00:45:21 ◼   ► product by most arguments worse by not [TS]

00:45:23 ◼   ► cutting that corner because I think that [TS]

00:45:25 ◼   ► that that's better for me even though [TS]

00:45:27 ◼   ► the product on the whole is worse but [TS]

00:45:29 ◼   ► can you get like an actor's name right I [TS]

00:45:32 ◼   ► was in in and even just basic dictation [TS]

00:45:35 ◼   ► so I went for a run yesterday and it's [TS]

00:45:40 ◼   ► one point to the ride my iPods and I'm [TS]

00:45:42 ◼   ► all I'm on my Apple watch my Apple watch [TS]

00:45:44 ◼   ► with LTE connection which I don't know [TS]

00:45:46 ◼   ► if you've ever heard I'm a little grumpy [TS]

00:45:47 ◼   ► about but here be that as it may I'm on [TS]

00:45:50 ◼   ► my ear pods Apple watch I am panting to [TS]

00:45:52 ◼   ► be fair but I if I had held down the [TS]

00:45:57 ◼   ► crown on the Apple watch so it would [TS]

00:45:59 ◼   ► listen to me because I've hey Siri [TS]

00:46:00 ◼   ► alright no actually he Syria doesn't [TS]

00:46:01 ◼   ► work with the air pods but I don't have [TS]

00:46:05 ◼   ► the the double tap to kick on Siri [TS]

00:46:08 ◼   ► because I prefer to do it differently I [TS]

00:46:09 ◼   ► prefer the double tap to do different [TS]

00:46:11 ◼   ► things so I hold down the crown on the [TS]

00:46:13 ◼   ► watch I hear the beep beep and I said [TS]

00:46:15 ◼   ► something to the effect of like remind [TS]

00:46:16 ◼   ► me to open a 529 savings account for [TS]

00:46:18 ◼   ► Makayla and holy God I wish I had [TS]

00:46:21 ◼   ► recorded what it had come up with in the [TS]

00:46:24 ◼   ► defense of Siri I was panting this was [TS]

00:46:26 ◼   ► like two-thirds of the way through my [TS]

00:46:27 ◼   ► run but it came up with like something [TS]

00:46:30 ◼   ► that was barely intelligible I was able [TS]

00:46:32 ◼   ► to piece it together [TS]

00:46:33 ◼   ► after the fact but it was hilarious how [TS]

00:46:37 ◼   ► bad the transcription was and all it was [TS]

00:46:40 ◼   ► was a reminder like this shouldn't in [TS]

00:46:42 ◼   ► theory have been that complex then I get [TS]

00:46:45 ◼   ► home and I decide I wanted to listen to [TS]

00:46:47 ◼   ► you some probably got off on me as I got [TS]

00:46:49 ◼   ► or even remember what it was and so I'm [TS]

00:46:51 ◼   ► in front of my garage I'm on my driveway [TS]

00:46:54 ◼   ► my phone was sitting in my kitchen now [TS]

00:46:56 ◼   ► Marco you've seen the house and we are [TS]

00:46:59 ◼   ► talking 20 feet maybe from the from [TS]

00:47:03 ◼   ► basically the garage door to the kitchen [TS]

00:47:05 ◼   ► and to be fair there's a couple of walls [TS]

00:47:07 ◼   ► including an exterior wall between me [TS]

00:47:09 ◼   ► and my phone but probably a lot of [TS]

00:47:10 ◼   ► Tito's and Villita shells and cheese [TS]

00:47:12 ◼   ► naturally and so I you know said you [TS]

00:47:16 ◼   ► know hey can you play me the latest [TS]

00:47:18 ◼   ► album by yo mute math or something like [TS]

00:47:20 ◼   ► that I don't remember exactly what it [TS]

00:47:21 ◼   ► was and then I see hold on again this is [TS]

00:47:25 ◼   ► on my watch now I have plenty of Wi-Fi [TS]

00:47:27 ◼   ► coverage at this point but it appears [TS]

00:47:30 ◼   ► that's not good enough [TS]

00:47:30 ◼   ► hold on I'll tap you when I'm ready yeah [TS]

00:47:36 ◼   ► series not available sorry about that [TS]

00:47:38 ◼   ► and it's like come on no maybe that [TS]

00:47:41 ◼   ► isn't I guess strictly speaking that's [TS]

00:47:42 ◼   ► not serious like that's just a general [TS]

00:47:43 ◼   ► connectivity because that's well I mean [TS]

00:47:46 ◼   ► is it or is it like is it a local [TS]

00:47:48 ◼   ► failure or a server failure either way [TS]

00:47:50 ◼   ► it's kind of serious problem like if [TS]

00:47:52 ◼   ► your watch should be connected you know [TS]

00:47:54 ◼   ► like if it's in an area where it has [TS]

00:47:56 ◼   ► good coverage it should be connected I [TS]

00:47:58 ◼   ► mean I have plenty of LTE although I [TS]

00:48:00 ◼   ► don't I did look and it was not on LTE [TS]

00:48:02 ◼   ► at the time I plenty of LTE though so [TS]

00:48:04 ◼   ► hypothetically it could should have fall [TS]

00:48:07 ◼   ► back - fall back fell back to LTE I [TS]

00:48:10 ◼   ► certainly was well within my Wi-Fi [TS]

00:48:13 ◼   ► coverage without question I was in with [TS]

00:48:16 ◼   ► within Wi-Fi coverage and yet it insists [TS]

00:48:18 ◼   ► on going I think to the phone because [TS]

00:48:21 ◼   ► you know when I did the swipe up to get [TS]

00:48:22 ◼   ► the little control center thing I saw a [TS]

00:48:23 ◼   ► phone icon in the upper left and it was [TS]

00:48:26 ◼   ► insistent on going to the phone which [TS]

00:48:27 ◼   ► you have itself as a first stop okay [TS]

00:48:29 ◼   ► fine I'm okay with that but can you not [TS]

00:48:30 ◼   ► fall back onto something else and [TS]

00:48:32 ◼   ► whatever I was trying to play was [TS]

00:48:34 ◼   ► something that I had night UNS match so [TS]

00:48:36 ◼   ► this sure to have like the way I [TS]

00:48:39 ◼   ► expected it to work is that maybe it [TS]

00:48:41 ◼   ► would have tried the phone and then [TS]

00:48:42 ◼   ► given up when it wasn't too strong [TS]

00:48:44 ◼   ► enough connection or whatever and then [TS]

00:48:45 ◼   ► just gone via either Wi-Fi [TS]

00:48:47 ◼   ► LTE and asked you know Apple hey what [TS]

00:48:49 ◼   ► did Casey just say oh he wants to listen [TS]

00:48:51 ◼   ► to the latest out of my new math okay so [TS]

00:48:53 ◼   ► does he have anything by yo mute math [TS]

00:48:55 ◼   ► and iTunes Oh indeed he does here's what [TS]

00:48:58 ◼   ► you should play and it should work and [TS]

00:49:00 ◼   ► it's just these little failures are [TS]

00:49:03 ◼   ► happening all the friggin time and it's [TS]

00:49:06 ◼   ► to the point that I feel like I cannot [TS]

00:49:10 ◼   ► communicate with my phone verbally I [TS]

00:49:11 ◼   ► cannot communicate with my phone by [TS]

00:49:13 ◼   ► typing on my phone because that's become [TS]

00:49:16 ◼   ► a disaster so I just I feel like the [TS]

00:49:19 ◼   ► only device that I have that I can input [TS]

00:49:22 ◼   ► any text into with any efficacy is my [TS]

00:49:24 ◼   ► Mac and it's driving me insane but [TS]

00:49:28 ◼   ► better hope it's not the MacBook [TS]

00:49:29 ◼   ► keyboard actually my psyche there's a [TS]

00:49:32 ◼   ► little bit crunchy today it's not too [TS]

00:49:33 ◼   ► happy about that I was able to mash on [TS]

00:49:35 ◼   ► and get whatever you know microscopic [TS]

00:49:37 ◼   ► speck of dust was out of the way I did [TS]

00:49:40 ◼   ► not need to return to work the can of [TS]

00:49:43 ◼   ► compressed air that I kid you not I [TS]

00:49:45 ◼   ► bought specifically for my macbook I [TS]

00:49:47 ◼   ► hadn't had a can of compressed air in [TS]

00:49:48 ◼   ► the house and like ten years but but but [TS]

00:49:51 ◼   ► I needed I think a lot of the [TS]

00:49:55 ◼   ► frustration here is like like it's like [TS]

00:49:57 ◼   ► I mentioned I think last show or or [TS]

00:49:59 ◼   ► maybe it was on my seventeen our talk [TS]

00:50:01 ◼   ► show last week or whatever it was and I [TS]

00:50:03 ◼   ► mentioned that I that like you know when [TS]

00:50:07 ◼   ► I first got the Amazon echo it was the [TS]

00:50:09 ◼   ► you know after years of like kind of you [TS]

00:50:11 ◼   ► know passively trying to use Siri and [TS]

00:50:13 ◼   ► have it fail a lot of the time and just [TS]

00:50:15 ◼   ► kind of be frustrated about it it was [TS]

00:50:17 ◼   ► striking to me how reliable the Amazon [TS]

00:50:20 ◼   ► echo was in in and how quickly it would [TS]

00:50:23 ◼   ► answer me and and you know in part this [TS]

00:50:25 ◼   ► is kind of not a straight comparison [TS]

00:50:28 ◼   ► because the Amazon echo is stationary [TS]

00:50:31 ◼   ► plugged in all the time listening all [TS]

00:50:34 ◼   ► the time for the wake word at least and [TS]

00:50:36 ◼   ► is in a controlled environment it's [TS]

00:50:39 ◼   ► always in the same spot and there are [TS]

00:50:41 ◼   ► like you know acoustic things that can [TS]

00:50:44 ◼   ► happen like for instance I mentioned [TS]

00:50:45 ◼   ► earlier like when when my range hood fan [TS]

00:50:47 ◼   ► is on on the stove it creates like you [TS]

00:50:50 ◼   ► know a good deal of fairly broadband [TS]

00:50:53 ◼   ► white noise and the echo just can't hear [TS]

00:50:56 ◼   ► anything anymore like even if it's even [TS]

00:50:58 ◼   ► if humans can hear over it just fine [TS]

00:50:59 ◼   ► like sir [TS]

00:51:00 ◼   ► types of noise that are in the room the [TS]

00:51:02 ◼   ► echo just seems to really hear very [TS]

00:51:04 ◼   ► badly if those noises are present but [TS]

00:51:06 ◼   ► but otherwise like the echo is pretty [TS]

00:51:09 ◼   ► reliable but again that's because it's [TS]

00:51:11 ◼   ► in one place plugged in all the time [TS]

00:51:14 ◼   ► listening for the wake where all the [TS]

00:51:15 ◼   ► time and has a stable connection like it [TS]

00:51:17 ◼   ► can remain connected the network it [TS]

00:51:19 ◼   ► doesn't have to it doesn't have to Power [TS]

00:51:20 ◼   ► Save and drop itself off the Wi-Fi when [TS]

00:51:23 ◼   ► it's not necessary is stuff like that so [TS]

00:51:25 ◼   ► there are it this is not not a straight [TS]

00:51:26 ◼   ► comparison here to your watch situation [TS]

00:51:28 ◼   ► which was very possibly affected by [TS]

00:51:30 ◼   ► connectivity and power saving stuff but [TS]

00:51:33 ◼   ► that being said like you know the the [TS]

00:51:35 ◼   ► the way the error rates of these things [TS]

00:51:37 ◼   ► work suppose the echo hears me 95 [TS]

00:51:40 ◼   ► percent of the time and Siri hears me 90 [TS]

00:51:42 ◼   ► percent of the time that still means [TS]

00:51:43 ◼   ► Siri fails twice as often and so as you [TS]

00:51:47 ◼   ► get closer to these higher number you [TS]

00:51:49 ◼   ► know it's very same same math when you [TS]

00:51:50 ◼   ► talk about cache hit rates you have the [TS]

00:51:51 ◼   ► same problem like like you know it seems [TS]

00:51:53 ◼   ► like my like when when one of my cache [TS]

00:51:56 ◼   ► servers is down then about you know [TS]

00:51:59 ◼   ► eight percent of hits will miss but that [TS]

00:52:02 ◼   ► also means that my databases are then [TS]

00:52:05 ◼   ► serving like five times as many hits [TS]

00:52:07 ◼   ► because the hit rate is usually so high [TS]

00:52:09 ◼   ► so like you know you'll see a huge spike [TS]

00:52:11 ◼   ► in load on the databases for what seems [TS]

00:52:14 ◼   ► like a small difference in the cache hit [TS]

00:52:15 ◼   ► rate so this is you know it's similar [TS]

00:52:17 ◼   ► problem here with like you know for Siri [TS]

00:52:20 ◼   ► to get like competitive and better in [TS]

00:52:23 ◼   ► this way it needs to get what's it needs [TS]

00:52:27 ◼   ► to dramatically reduce its error rate [TS]

00:52:29 ◼   ► and its failure rate and Apple might [TS]

00:52:32 ◼   ► think it's really good if you know if [TS]

00:52:34 ◼   ► Apple has data on this which I'm sure [TS]

00:52:35 ◼   ► they do you know they might see it as [TS]

00:52:37 ◼   ► somewhere being in the 80s or 90s and [TS]

00:52:38 ◼   ► think that's great but the competition [TS]

00:52:40 ◼   ► is even better than that and the [TS]

00:52:42 ◼   ► difference can still be seen and felt [TS]

00:52:44 ◼   ► pretty pretty regularly [TS]

00:52:46 ◼   ► I would love so much for Siri to improve [TS]

00:52:50 ◼   ► at the same rate as Apple's hardware and [TS]

00:52:52 ◼   ► software usually improves but it's been [TS]

00:52:55 ◼   ► here a while and we haven't seen that so [TS]

00:52:56 ◼   ► I I don't think anybody should [TS]

00:52:59 ◼   ► reasonably anticipate that that's going [TS]

00:53:01 ◼   ► to happen now like all of a sudden you [TS]

00:53:03 ◼   ► see you're gonna start getting better at [TS]

00:53:04 ◼   ► a rapid pace [TS]

00:53:05 ◼   ► I don't know like they have this they [TS]

00:53:08 ◼   ► have the home pod which depends very [TS]

00:53:09 ◼   ► heavily on Siri so you might think [TS]

00:53:11 ◼   ► that's great motivation but I think the [TS]

00:53:13 ◼   ► iPhone for the last 70 [TS]

00:53:14 ◼   ► there's also pretty good motivation and [TS]

00:53:15 ◼   ► they haven't done that so you know I [TS]

00:53:18 ◼   ► don't it just it doesn't seem like it's [TS]

00:53:20 ◼   ► really a core competency of Apple to [TS]

00:53:24 ◼   ► make really good AI based big data [TS]

00:53:26 ◼   ► services like this and and you know a [TS]

00:53:29 ◼   ► lot of people lean on the privacy thing [TS]

00:53:30 ◼   ► and Apple to some reason or to some [TS]

00:53:32 ◼   ► degree also kind of leans on the privacy [TS]

00:53:33 ◼   ► angle it almost as an excuse of why it [TS]

00:53:37 ◼   ► has to be this way and I think that's [TS]

00:53:40 ◼   ► not a valid argument you know I think [TS]

00:53:45 ◼   ► the the privacy aspect of the way Apple [TS]

00:53:48 ◼   ► does things is nice and and there's [TS]

00:53:51 ◼   ► merit to that there's value to that I'm [TS]

00:53:53 ◼   ► glad they do that but that does not [TS]

00:53:55 ◼   ► preclude them from making really good [TS]

00:53:57 ◼   ► services in this area [TS]

00:53:58 ◼   ► it just doesn't it's two it's two [TS]

00:54:00 ◼   ► separate things yes if they had more [TS]

00:54:02 ◼   ► data if they if they were more creepy [TS]

00:54:03 ◼   ► with letting stuff certain types of [TS]

00:54:05 ◼   ► certain services could get better but [TS]

00:54:08 ◼   ► Apple makes a lot of services that could [TS]

00:54:11 ◼   ► get better with what they already have [TS]

00:54:12 ◼   ► and they don't or they don't get better [TS]

00:54:15 ◼   ► enough so I don't think that Apple has [TS]

00:54:19 ◼   ► to give up privacy to make great [TS]

00:54:21 ◼   ► services conversely I don't think the [TS]

00:54:23 ◼   ► privacy is the reason their services in [TS]

00:54:25 ◼   ► some of these areas are not great I [TS]

00:54:27 ◼   ► think that's a convenient excuse for [TS]

00:54:29 ◼   ► people who don't really understand how [TS]

00:54:30 ◼   ► to make these services very well but [TS]

00:54:32 ◼   ► otherwise it's that's not the reality [TS]

00:54:34 ◼   ► the reality is these services can get [TS]

00:54:38 ◼   ► way better with the amount of [TS]

00:54:40 ◼   ► information that they already do or [TS]

00:54:41 ◼   ► don't collect I don't think Apple is [TS]

00:54:44 ◼   ► culturally and structurally set up to [TS]

00:54:47 ◼   ► make really great services of this type [TS]

00:54:48 ◼   ► I think they have proven that yeah and [TS]

00:54:51 ◼   ► that's exactly my point when I was [TS]

00:54:52 ◼   ► bringing up what Jamie had said of you [TS]

00:54:53 ◼   ► is that there's so much that has nothing [TS]

00:54:55 ◼   ► to do with privacy like okay fine maybe [TS]

00:54:58 ◼   ► if Siri saw that I was sitting in [TS]

00:55:01 ◼   ► Virginia when I was asking about to [TS]

00:55:02 ◼   ► Virginia colleges playing each other [TS]

00:55:04 ◼   ► maybe it could have narrowed down a [TS]

00:55:06 ◼   ► little bit more but either way I don't [TS]

00:55:09 ◼   ► think that would have made a tremendous [TS]

00:55:10 ◼   ► difference and okay even if that would [TS]

00:55:12 ◼   ► have made a difference then what happens [TS]

00:55:14 ◼   ► when I'm using Siri is like a front end [TS]

00:55:16 ◼   ► IMDB like I think it was John had [TS]

00:55:18 ◼   ► mentioned earlier you know I want to [TS]

00:55:19 ◼   ► know about who's acting in the movie I'm [TS]

00:55:21 ◼   ► watching or the TV show I'm watching [TS]

00:55:22 ◼   ► like Siri falls all over its face on [TS]

00:55:25 ◼   ► that half the time and that has nothing [TS]

00:55:26 ◼   ► to do with any [TS]

00:55:27 ◼   ► thing except I guess if it was listening [TS]

00:55:29 ◼   ► to what I was watching which is even [TS]

00:55:31 ◼   ► creepy enough that I don't think Google [TS]

00:55:33 ◼   ► does that sort of thing so you know what [TS]

00:55:35 ◼   ► I mean like there's so much that it that [TS]

00:55:37 ◼   ► has nothing to do with privacy and this [TS]

00:55:39 ◼   ► is what I was saying originally what [TS]

00:55:41 ◼   ► Marco is saying now just a moment ago it [TS]

00:55:43 ◼   ► there's so much that is beyond this and [TS]

00:55:47 ◼   ► I I just it's frustrating and I wanna I [TS]

00:55:51 ◼   ► want to see it get better and I'm [TS]

00:55:53 ◼   ► frustrated that it's not getting better [TS]

00:55:55 ◼   ► especially since unlike you know the [TS]

00:55:57 ◼   ► annual release cycles for Mac OS and iOS [TS]

00:56:00 ◼   ► which we hopefully talked about this [TS]

00:56:01 ◼   ► episode I I don't understand why this [TS]

00:56:05 ◼   ► isn't getting better faster except [TS]

00:56:06 ◼   ► perhaps just in in Marco you said this a [TS]

00:56:08 ◼   ► moment ago you know a corporate culture [TS]

00:56:10 ◼   ► that that doesn't that isn't conducive [TS]

00:56:12 ◼   ► to it I'd like to generalize this from [TS]

00:56:15 ◼   ► from Syria specifically to these voices [TS]

00:56:18 ◼   ► since in general this is just to [TS]

00:56:19 ◼   ► reiterate some what Marco just said and [TS]

00:56:21 ◼   ► what he said on this topic many times I [TS]

00:56:23 ◼   ► think we all talked about in the past I [TS]

00:56:25 ◼   ► think it's actually analogous to the [TS]

00:56:27 ◼   ► iPhone which I'm thinking about because [TS]

00:56:29 ◼   ► we had that earlier feedback about it [TS]

00:56:31 ◼   ► [Music] [TS]

00:56:32 ◼   ► that it's Marco talked about the the [TS]

00:56:35 ◼   ► percentage differences in the gaps and [TS]

00:56:37 ◼   ► like so you know if the competing [TS]

00:56:39 ◼   ► products are this good and Siri is that [TS]

00:56:40 ◼   ► good even if Siri is improving there's [TS]

00:56:42 ◼   ► still a gap between it but I think the [TS]

00:56:44 ◼   ► important part of those hypothetical [TS]

00:56:46 ◼   ► numbers is that like the original iPhone [TS]

00:56:49 ◼   ► there is a there's a threshold on one [TS]

00:56:54 ◼   ► side the same interface is not [TS]

00:56:58 ◼   ► acceptable on the other side of that [TS]

00:57:00 ◼   ► threshold you pass into the realm of [TS]

00:57:03 ◼   ► acceptability the iPhone was one of the [TS]

00:57:05 ◼   ► first mass-market devices to cross that [TS]

00:57:08 ◼   ► threshold for touch input on a screen [TS]

00:57:10 ◼   ► the touch screen which touch screens was [TS]

00:57:13 ◼   ► existed forever and people generally [TS]

00:57:15 ◼   ► hated suddenly got responsive enough so [TS]

00:57:19 ◼   ► that you know it wasn't just like oh [TS]

00:57:21 ◼   ► this is like 1% better it crossed over [TS]

00:57:23 ◼   ► all aligned right and suddenly it was [TS]

00:57:26 ◼   ► good enough and they've gotten way [TS]

00:57:27 ◼   ► better since then right but it was so [TS]

00:57:29 ◼   ► clear that this is the first device that [TS]

00:57:31 ◼   ► that is good enough that regular people [TS]

00:57:34 ◼   ► will use the touchscreen and not just [TS]

00:57:37 ◼   ► fine you know they like they won't hate [TS]

00:57:39 ◼   ► it it'll it'll feel good it'll feel [TS]

00:57:41 ◼   ► it'll feel like they're directly [TS]