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262: A Clear Path to Okayness

 

00:00:00 ◼   ► John how are you let's lighten the mood [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/0">TS</a>]

00:00:01 ◼   ► how's things going with you John I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1">TS</a>]

00:00:03 ◼   ► tired I'm exhausted you guys are making [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3">TS</a>]

00:00:05 ◼   ► any more exhaustion I seem to have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5">TS</a>]

00:00:10 ◼   ► become the authority on not seeing easy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/10">TS</a>]

00:00:14 ◼   ► solutions to my problems so if somebody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/14">TS</a>]

00:00:18 ◼   ► didn't tell you about our sink now I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/18">TS</a>]

00:00:20 ◼   ► have heard about our sink and I actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/20">TS</a>]

00:00:22 ◼   ► have used it for years literally years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/22">TS</a>]

00:00:24 ◼   ► but that's not the issue um I've been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/24">TS</a>]

00:00:27 ◼   ► working on an app that I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/27">TS</a>]

00:00:28 ◼   ► particularly want to talk about these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/28">TS</a>]

00:00:29 ◼   ► specifics on the show but suffice to say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/29">TS</a>]

00:00:32 ◼   ► it relates to health kit which already [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/32">TS</a>]

00:00:34 ◼   ► means I'm kind of treading on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/34">TS</a>]

00:00:35 ◼   ► underscores waters actually but whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/35">TS</a>]

00:00:37 ◼   ► so I asked him you know hey is there any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/37">TS</a>]

00:00:41 ◼   ► way to export health kit data and bring [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/41">TS</a>]

00:00:45 ◼   ► it into the simulator because I prefer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/45">TS</a>]

00:00:47 ◼   ► to do most of my development against [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/47">TS</a>]

00:00:48 ◼   ► simulator because it's quicker and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/48">TS</a>]

00:00:49 ◼   ► easier so I need a whole bunch of health [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/49">TS</a>]

00:00:51 ◼   ► get data on on the simulator and I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/51">TS</a>]

00:00:54 ◼   ► like man is there any way to export it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/54">TS</a>]

00:00:55 ◼   ► then like important places there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/55">TS</a>]

00:00:57 ◼   ► somewhere on the file system or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/57">TS</a>]

00:00:58 ◼   ► something like that that I can do this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/58">TS</a>]

00:01:00 ◼   ► and in in the most polite way which is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/60">TS</a>]

00:01:03 ◼   ► underscores you know mo in the most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/63">TS</a>]

00:01:05 ◼   ► polite way he said to me these are my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/65">TS</a>]

00:01:07 ◼   ► words mind you you freaking idiot you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/67">TS</a>]

00:01:09 ◼   ► can get on iCloud on the simulator just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/69">TS</a>]

00:01:12 ◼   ► join your accounts on iCloud I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/72">TS</a>]

00:01:15 ◼   ► know you could do that you'll see but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/75">TS</a>]

00:01:17 ◼   ► did know that you could do that but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/77">TS</a>]

00:01:19 ◼   ► didn't put two and two together but this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/79">TS</a>]

00:01:20 ◼   ► is where it gets real bad and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/80">TS</a>]

00:01:21 ◼   ► shouldn't share this publicly but here I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/81">TS</a>]

00:01:22 ◼   ► am he said I said to him but underscore [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/82">TS</a>]

00:01:26 ◼   ► here's the thing I want to be able to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/86">TS</a>]

00:01:28 ◼   ► like save things to health kit but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/88">TS</a>]

00:01:30 ◼   ► don't want them to actually save too you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/90">TS</a>]

00:01:33 ◼   ► know like the canonical instance of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/93">TS</a>]

00:01:35 ◼   ► health kids so in other words if I save [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/95">TS</a>]

00:01:37 ◼   ► I don't know like in at like a workout [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/97">TS</a>]

00:01:39 ◼   ► which is not actually what this app does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/99">TS</a>]

00:01:41 ◼   ► but for the sake of conversation I save [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/101">TS</a>]

00:01:42 ◼   ► a workout I don't want it to go to like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/102">TS</a>]

00:01:44 ◼   ► my actual canonical health kit I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/104">TS</a>]

00:01:48 ◼   ► know identity for lack of a better word [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/108">TS</a>]

00:01:50 ◼   ► a repository I want that to kind of just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/110">TS</a>]

00:01:52 ◼   ► live alone on the simulator so without [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/112">TS</a>]

00:01:54 ◼   ► batting an eye underscore says so sign [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/114">TS</a>]

00:01:57 ◼   ► out of iCloud like two weeks away from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/117">TS</a>]

00:02:05 ◼   ► having an arm full of Apple watches like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/125">TS</a>]

00:02:07 ◼   ► underscore does you know this is such [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/127">TS</a>]

00:02:11 ◼   ► easy solution why do I not see these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/131">TS</a>]

00:02:13 ◼   ► things I maybe I'm just a really crummy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/133">TS</a>]

00:02:15 ◼   ► developer and I don't realize it but uh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/135">TS</a>]

00:02:18 ◼   ► golly like I don't think I'm an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/138">TS</a>]

00:02:19 ◼   ► exceptionally great developer but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/139">TS</a>]

00:02:20 ◼   ► didn't think I was that bad of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/140">TS</a>]

00:02:22 ◼   ► developer why don't why don't I see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/142">TS</a>]

00:02:24 ◼   ► these things why can't I why can't i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/144">TS</a>]

00:02:25 ◼   ► recognize this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/145">TS</a>]

00:02:26 ◼   ► so everyone hire KC for your development [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/146">TS</a>]

00:02:28 ◼   ► [Laughter] [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/148">TS</a>]

00:02:31 ◼   ► that's the trick that's the ticket right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/151">TS</a>]

00:02:34 ◼   ► there you really do a good job at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/154">TS</a>]

00:02:35 ◼   ► selling yourself this is why I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/155">TS</a>]

00:02:37 ◼   ► want to this is why I don't want to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/157">TS</a>]

00:02:38 ◼   ► an independent consultant I love that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/158">TS</a>]

00:02:41 ◼   ► you you keep I heard your episode of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/161">TS</a>]

00:02:43 ◼   ► analog it was very good last episode of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/163">TS</a>]

00:02:45 ◼   ► analog where Mike talk to you through a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/165">TS</a>]

00:02:47 ◼   ► lot of this stuff which I highly suggest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/167">TS</a>]

00:02:48 ◼   ► anyway everybody listen to just because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/168">TS</a>]

00:02:51 ◼   ► it's a good show to begin with but also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/171">TS</a>]

00:02:52 ◼   ► if you're interested in our arc of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/172">TS</a>]

00:02:54 ◼   ► trying to convince Casey to you know go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/174">TS</a>]

00:02:56 ◼   ► out on his own somehow it was a very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/176">TS</a>]

00:02:58 ◼   ► good episode and and and I think and we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/178">TS</a>]

00:03:01 ◼   ► even got we got this like two thousand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/181">TS</a>]

00:03:02 ◼   ► word email that it does seem like your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/182">TS</a>]

00:03:07 ◼   ► heart is not really in consulting like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/187">TS</a>]

00:03:08 ◼   ► it does seem like you don't really care [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/188">TS</a>]

00:03:10 ◼   ► to do it right and that's the thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/190">TS</a>]

00:03:11 ◼   ► that's the thing then you know fine I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/191">TS</a>]

00:03:14 ◼   ► not gonna I'm not gonna push that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/194">TS</a>]

00:03:15 ◼   ► anymore because to do anything like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/195">TS</a>]

00:03:18 ◼   ► you have to you have to be a little more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/198">TS</a>]

00:03:20 ◼   ► into it then than what you are so that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/200">TS</a>]

00:03:22 ◼   ► what I'm not gonna happen so okay I'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/202">TS</a>]

00:03:24 ◼   ► stop pushing that button I do however [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/204">TS</a>]

00:03:26 ◼   ► think it's hilarious that you keep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/206">TS</a>]

00:03:28 ◼   ► trying to trade in these like these ways [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/208">TS</a>]

00:03:30 ◼   ► that you can immediately get a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/210">TS</a>]

00:03:31 ◼   ► money for things that take like years to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/211">TS</a>]

00:03:34 ◼   ► build up to a livable wage like I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/214">TS</a>]

00:03:36 ◼   ► I'm gonna start a YouTube app and making [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/216">TS</a>]

00:03:38 ◼   ► small indie apps or YouTube channel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/218">TS</a>]

00:03:42 ◼   ► rather excuse me yeah that's indie [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/222">TS</a>]

00:03:43 ◼   ► success right there guaranteed everyone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/223">TS</a>]

00:03:46 ◼   ► is making money hand over fist in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/226">TS</a>]

00:03:48 ◼   ► App Store on YouTube there's no way for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/228">TS</a>]

00:03:51 ◼   ► this to be for this to be a disaster [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/231">TS</a>]

00:03:52 ◼   ► right here's what you do you get five [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/232">TS</a>]

00:03:54 ◼   ► envelopes in each one you put $5 you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/234">TS</a>]

00:03:56 ◼   ► mail the top two to these people then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/236">TS</a>]

00:03:58 ◼   ► you mail it a whole buncha letter so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/238">TS</a>]

00:03:59 ◼   ► it's like it's like this like like if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/239">TS</a>]

00:04:03 ◼   ► you started doing these things ten years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/243">TS</a>]

00:04:05 ◼   ► ago you might now have enough to live on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/245">TS</a>]

00:04:07 ◼   ► exactly these are slow slow buildings [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/247">TS</a>]

00:04:10 ◼   ► slow like it takes a while [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/250">TS</a>]

00:04:12 ◼   ► [Laughter] [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/252">TS</a>]

00:04:14 ◼   ► that's so true I don't know I don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/254">TS</a>]

00:04:17 ◼   ► I have been waffling about this Erin and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/257">TS</a>]

00:04:19 ◼   ► I have been talking a lot about this and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/259">TS</a>]

00:04:21 ◼   ► and I I not in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/261">TS</a>]

00:04:23 ◼   ► in an angry way like I'm not upset about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/263">TS</a>]

00:04:24 ◼   ► it at all but I'm I I don't want to talk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/264">TS</a>]

00:04:26 ◼   ► about anymore at this particular moment [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/266">TS</a>]

00:04:28 ◼   ► because I feel like all I've been doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/268">TS</a>]

00:04:29 ◼   ► stressing about it for the last month [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/269">TS</a>]

00:04:30 ◼   ► and a half but I have such conflicted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/270">TS</a>]

00:04:33 ◼   ► and mixed thoughts that I don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/273">TS</a>]

00:04:36 ◼   ► what to do and it's like you know I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/276">TS</a>]

00:04:38 ◼   ► think your your assessment is accurate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/278">TS</a>]

00:04:41 ◼   ► that the idea of just $10.99 in my way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/281">TS</a>]

00:04:43 ◼   ► through life that is to say being an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/283">TS</a>]

00:04:45 ◼   ► independent consultant like there are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/285">TS</a>]

00:04:48 ◼   ► ways in which I think that would be fun [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/288">TS</a>]

00:04:49 ◼   ► like let's say for the sake of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/289">TS</a>]

00:04:51 ◼   ► discussion I can I can wave my magic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/291">TS</a>]

00:04:52 ◼   ► wand and I can have you give me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/292">TS</a>]

00:04:56 ◼   ► I don't know between 5 and 10 hours of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/296">TS</a>]

00:04:57 ◼   ► work a week I can have underscore give [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/297">TS</a>]

00:04:59 ◼   ► me 5 to 10 hours of work a week I can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/299">TS</a>]

00:05:01 ◼   ► have some of my other independent you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/301">TS</a>]

00:05:03 ◼   ► know app developers like you know jelly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/303">TS</a>]

00:05:05 ◼   ► who works on gift-wrapped which if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/305">TS</a>]

00:05:06 ◼   ► believe in animated gifs at all you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/306">TS</a>]

00:05:08 ◼   ► should have or you know Curtis who works [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/308">TS</a>]

00:05:10 ◼   ► on slopes as another example which if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/310">TS</a>]

00:05:12 ◼   ► you believe in skiing or snowboarding [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/312">TS</a>]

00:05:13 ◼   ► you should have that app you know if any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/313">TS</a>]

00:05:16 ◼   ► of these people if all of you guys an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/316">TS</a>]

00:05:18 ◼   ► underscore of course you know if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/318">TS</a>]

00:05:19 ◼   ► guys could each you know shave off 5 to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/319">TS</a>]

00:05:22 ◼   ► 10 hours each then then I could probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/322">TS</a>]

00:05:24 ◼   ► make a living but the idea of just like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/324">TS</a>]

00:05:26 ◼   ► going out and chasing random people for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/326">TS</a>]

00:05:28 ◼   ► work and random businesses for work it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/328">TS</a>]

00:05:29 ◼   ► just just the thought of is it it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/329">TS</a>]

00:05:31 ◼   ► extremely tiring and that's not to say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/331">TS</a>]

00:05:34 ◼   ► that that's bad or wrong or anything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/334">TS</a>]

00:05:36 ◼   ► else it's just I don't see your point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/336">TS</a>]

00:05:38 ◼   ► Marco I don't think my heart is in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/338">TS</a>]

00:05:40 ◼   ► chasing chasing work from random people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/340">TS</a>]

00:05:42 ◼   ► and and I mean that in a nasty way just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/342">TS</a>]

00:05:45 ◼   ► in in in an observational way so well I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/345">TS</a>]

00:05:47 ◼   ► do wonder though I think the the part of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/347">TS</a>]

00:05:49 ◼   ► that of the 2,000 word email that we got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/349">TS</a>]

00:05:52 ◼   ► that was mostly a little bit off-putting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/352">TS</a>]

00:05:54 ◼   ► but the part of it I thought was was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/354">TS</a>]

00:05:56 ◼   ► interesting and potentially a good path [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/356">TS</a>]

00:05:58 ◼   ► to consider is the part where the author [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/358">TS</a>]

00:06:01 ◼   ► says that you know clearly your heart's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/361">TS</a>]

00:06:03 ◼   ► not in consulting which I think was true [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/363">TS</a>]

00:06:05 ◼   ► but that maybe you should consider being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/365">TS</a>]

00:06:09 ◼   ► like the Swift person like yes and who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/369">TS</a>]

00:06:12 ◼   ► has been a lot of instructional Swift [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/372">TS</a>]

00:06:14 ◼   ► content like you know granted that's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/374">TS</a>]

00:06:16 ◼   ► very crowded market there's a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/376">TS</a>]

00:06:17 ◼   ► people who have been doing a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/377">TS</a>]

00:06:18 ◼   ► instructional Swift content for a long [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/378">TS</a>]

00:06:20 ◼   ► time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/380">TS</a>]

00:06:21 ◼   ► but you also already have an existing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/381">TS</a>]

00:06:24 ◼   ► audience of developers which is pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/384">TS</a>]

00:06:26 ◼   ► good like that's that's a pretty good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/386">TS</a>]

00:06:28 ◼   ► advantage to start with and and so you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/388">TS</a>]

00:06:30 ◼   ► do have a bit of an unfair advantage [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/390">TS</a>]

00:06:31 ◼   ► there which you can used you know to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/391">TS</a>]

00:06:34 ◼   ► your advantage the other thing I would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/394">TS</a>]

00:06:35 ◼   ► say is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/395">TS</a>]

00:06:37 ◼   ► if it when when talking about like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/397">TS</a>]

00:06:39 ◼   ► know who you could get consulting work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/399">TS</a>]

00:06:40 ◼   ► from don't do like me and underscore and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/400">TS</a>]

00:06:44 ◼   ► Curtis like we're all indie developers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/404">TS</a>]

00:06:46 ◼   ► working on indie budgets like yeah I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/406">TS</a>]

00:06:48 ◼   ► know it's like we're the worst people to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/408">TS</a>]

00:06:50 ◼   ► have trying to get consulting work for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/410">TS</a>]

00:06:51 ◼   ► because we can barely afford employees [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/411">TS</a>]

00:06:54 ◼   ► like I think Margaret has pre fired you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/414">TS</a>]

00:06:56 ◼   ► I thought I might give him some hours if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/416">TS</a>]

00:06:59 ◼   ► he did this but like but you know I I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/419">TS</a>]

00:07:02 ◼   ► in a position that most in these are not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/422">TS</a>]

00:07:03 ◼   ► and and even I you know I couldn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/423">TS</a>]

00:07:05 ◼   ► afford you full time although okay can I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/425">TS</a>]

00:07:08 ◼   ► just say publicly that it may be worth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/428">TS</a>]

00:07:12 ◼   ► maybe not the money but worth the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/432">TS</a>]

00:07:14 ◼   ► experience for both of us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/434">TS</a>]

00:07:16 ◼   ► to watch me have to slum it an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/436">TS</a>]

00:07:18 ◼   ► objective-c land and watch you have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/438">TS</a>]

00:07:20 ◼   ► slum it and deal with an employee like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/440">TS</a>]

00:07:21 ◼   ► that would be hilarious on many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/441">TS</a>]

00:07:24 ◼   ► different levels the really interesting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/444">TS</a>]

00:07:26 ◼   ► reality show it would be the least [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/446">TS</a>]

00:07:30 ◼   ► interesting but perhaps most funny cards [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/450">TS</a>]

00:07:32 ◼   ► against humanity' to sponsor yeah right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/452">TS</a>]

00:07:35 ◼   ► but seriously like you don't let me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/455">TS</a>]

00:07:38 ◼   ► speak for you but I have the feeling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/458">TS</a>]

00:07:40 ◼   ► like even with me and I like to think I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/460">TS</a>]

00:07:42 ◼   ► get a little bit of special privilege [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/462">TS</a>]

00:07:43 ◼   ► here you have no interest in having [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/463">TS</a>]

00:07:45 ◼   ► anyone as like an employee in any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/465">TS</a>]

00:07:48 ◼   ► capacity and although I don't have any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/468">TS</a>]

00:07:50 ◼   ► real angst against Objective C I have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/470">TS</a>]

00:07:53 ◼   ► let's say I feel like it's a little bit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/473">TS</a>]

00:07:55 ◼   ► old and a little bit tired I mean that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/475">TS</a>]

00:07:57 ◼   ► what could be said for all of us right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/477">TS</a>]

00:07:59 ◼   ► well that that's fair you do bad you'd [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/479">TS</a>]

00:08:05 ◼   ► like you you send me off to work on some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/485">TS</a>]

00:08:06 ◼   ► bug fix and I like rewrite an entire [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/486">TS</a>]

00:08:08 ◼   ► class and Swift and try to pass that by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/488">TS</a>]

00:08:10 ◼   ► I wouldn't do that for several different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/490">TS</a>]

00:08:11 ◼   ► reasons but just was take a discussion [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/491">TS</a>]

00:08:13 ◼   ► like I write this entire class I rewrite [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/493">TS</a>]

00:08:14 ◼   ► the entire class and Swift like here you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/494">TS</a>]

00:08:16 ◼   ► go here you go Marco this is good right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/496">TS</a>]

00:08:17 ◼   ► you just look at this not like what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/497">TS</a>]

00:08:19 ◼   ► I could just settle all this money on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/499">TS</a>]

00:08:22 ◼   ► fire by making you write unit tests well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/502">TS</a>]

00:08:25 ◼   ► I don't know if it on fire I almost [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/505">TS</a>]

00:08:27 ◼   ► walked into that you bastard you're more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/507">TS</a>]

00:08:32 ◼   ► right than you are wrong you big jerk we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/512">TS</a>]

00:08:36 ◼   ► should get started [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/516">TS</a>]

00:08:37 ◼   ► slash continue with talking about how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/517">TS</a>]

00:08:39 ◼   ► Siri is all up in front of the show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/519">TS</a>]

00:08:42 ◼   ► Daniel jelq it's business so who who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/522">TS</a>]

00:08:44 ◼   ► added this the show notes can tell me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/524">TS</a>]

00:08:46 ◼   ► what's going on I added the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/526">TS</a>]

00:08:48 ◼   ► here's the first account I read of I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/528">TS</a>]

00:08:50 ◼   ► think a story that I've heard from a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/530">TS</a>]

00:08:52 ◼   ► of people now as he relates to home pod [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/532">TS</a>]

00:08:53 ◼   ► it's that you've got this thing in your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/533">TS</a>]

00:08:56 ◼   ► house and unfortunately it has the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/536">TS</a>]

00:08:59 ◼   ► trigger phrase as a bunch of other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/539">TS</a>]

00:09:00 ◼   ► things that you might also have in your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/540">TS</a>]

00:09:03 ◼   ► house so once you get past the you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/543">TS</a>]

00:09:06 ◼   ► being amazed that it can hear you over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/546">TS</a>]

00:09:08 ◼   ► the odd music or whatever and you just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/548">TS</a>]

00:09:09 ◼   ► happen to be in your house and you talk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/549">TS</a>]

00:09:11 ◼   ► to some device that may or may not be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/551">TS</a>]

00:09:13 ◼   ► your home pod and your home pod decides [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/553">TS</a>]

00:09:16 ◼   ► oh I can totally hear you and I'm gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/556">TS</a>]

00:09:19 ◼   ► take this for you hang on I got it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/559">TS</a>]

00:09:21 ◼   ► Apple has this thing where if multiple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/561">TS</a>]

00:09:24 ◼   ► devices are around and you say the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/564">TS</a>]

00:09:25 ◼   ► trigger word they negotiate amongst each [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/565">TS</a>]

00:09:27 ◼   ► other to figure out who's gonna answer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/567">TS</a>]

00:09:28 ◼   ► but home pod will grab a request that it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/568">TS</a>]

00:09:33 ◼   ► can't handle just to tell you that it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/573">TS</a>]

00:09:36 ◼   ► can't do that all right so that it would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/576">TS</a>]

00:09:38 ◼   ► have worked if it was on your phone but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/578">TS</a>]

00:09:40 ◼   ► home pods grabs it maybe because it has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/580">TS</a>]

00:09:42 ◼   ► better microphones or because it like it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/582">TS</a>]

00:09:44 ◼   ► takes priority or whatever and then it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/584">TS</a>]

00:09:45 ◼   ► grabs it and says oh yeah no I totally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/585">TS</a>]

00:09:47 ◼   ► can't do that sorry about that so that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/587">TS</a>]

00:09:50 ◼   ► not that's not nice behavior and a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/590">TS</a>]

00:09:52 ◼   ► of people have complained about that and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/592">TS</a>]

00:09:53 ◼   ► it's kind of another situation where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/593">TS</a>]

00:09:55 ◼   ► apples had a few of these where like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/595">TS</a>]

00:09:57 ◼   ► their best customers are more likely to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/597">TS</a>]

00:10:02 ◼   ► run into these complex problems right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/602">TS</a>]

00:10:05 ◼   ► Apple wants you to have a household of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/605">TS</a>]

00:10:07 ◼   ► Apple devices you got Macs and iPads and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/607">TS</a>]

00:10:08 ◼   ► phones and everybody should have one and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/608">TS</a>]

00:10:10 ◼   ► they should be all over the place and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/610">TS</a>]

00:10:11 ◼   ► yet if you do that you run into all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/611">TS</a>]

00:10:14 ◼   ► situations in which apple doesn't handle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/614">TS</a>]

00:10:15 ◼   ► a houseful of devices we've talked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/615">TS</a>]

00:10:17 ◼   ► before about the you know families [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/617">TS</a>]

00:10:19 ◼   ► sharing you know iCloud and photos [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/619">TS</a>]

00:10:22 ◼   ► accounts you know the before the family [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/622">TS</a>]

00:10:25 ◼   ► plans for iCloud storage existed before [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/625">TS</a>]

00:10:27 ◼   ► was a while before Siri could understand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/627">TS</a>]

00:10:30 ◼   ► different people and you had to do the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/630">TS</a>]

00:10:31 ◼   ► training and everything so now can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/631">TS</a>]

00:10:33 ◼   ► distinguish voices well here's another [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/633">TS</a>]

00:10:34 ◼   ► growing pane of the multi Apple device [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/634">TS</a>]

00:10:38 ◼   ► lifestyle if you've got multiple things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/638">TS</a>]

00:10:40 ◼   ► in your house listening for the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/640">TS</a>]

00:10:41 ◼   ► trigger phrase it's great that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/641">TS</a>]

00:10:42 ◼   ► didn't go she ate with each other it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/642">TS</a>]

00:10:43 ◼   ► not so great that the negotiation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/643">TS</a>]

00:10:45 ◼   ► results in the worst possible device [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/645">TS</a>]

00:10:48 ◼   ► answering your question I mean the funny [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/648">TS</a>]

00:10:50 ◼   ► thing is like in many ways it's actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/650">TS</a>]

00:10:52 ◼   ► rewards you if you're a person who has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/652">TS</a>]

00:10:54 ◼   ► not gotten into the hey Siri ecosystem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/654">TS</a>]

00:10:56 ◼   ► like if you like like me like I I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/656">TS</a>]

00:10:58 ◼   ► leave it on my phones I tried [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/658">TS</a>]

00:11:01 ◼   ► because I have like my iPad that just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/661">TS</a>]

00:11:02 ◼   ► sits in the kitchen all day for the most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/662">TS</a>]

00:11:04 ◼   ► part and I figured like maybe I could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/664">TS</a>]

00:11:06 ◼   ► use that the way I use the Amazon echo [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/666">TS</a>]

00:11:08 ◼   ► like maybe I could set timers and stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/668">TS</a>]

00:11:09 ◼   ► using using hey Siri on the iPad and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/669">TS</a>]

00:11:11 ◼   ► I've tried that and it's terrible so I'd [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/671">TS</a>]

00:11:13 ◼   ► never do it but oh crap my development [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/673">TS</a>]

00:11:17 ◼   ► phones why you saying it see how nicely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/677">TS</a>]

00:11:21 ◼   ► I said trigger phrase like 9 times so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/681">TS</a>]

00:11:23 ◼   ► you're just rattling on them off and now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/683">TS</a>]

00:11:24 ◼   ► you're being punished no the rule is if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/684">TS</a>]

00:11:26 ◼   ► Phil Schiller can go on the talk show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/686">TS</a>]

00:11:27 ◼   ► and say hey Siri in front of everybody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/687">TS</a>]

00:11:28 ◼   ► have it not have nothing go off then I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/688">TS</a>]

00:11:30 ◼   ► can do it on on a podcast but he's got a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/690">TS</a>]

00:11:32 ◼   ► computerized chip in his throat that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/692">TS</a>]

00:11:33 ◼   ► masks and says if Isis won't pick it up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/693">TS</a>]

00:11:35 ◼   ► yeah like the Amazon echo ads in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/695">TS</a>]

00:11:38 ◼   ► Superbowl by the way that's that Amazon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/698">TS</a>]

00:11:40 ◼   ► echo method where you cut out the 3 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/700">TS</a>]

00:11:41 ◼   ► kilohertz thing I played with that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/701">TS</a>]

00:11:42 ◼   ► could not reproduce that I could not get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/702">TS</a>]

00:11:44 ◼   ► that to actually work and that post was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/704">TS</a>]

00:11:46 ◼   ► like a year old so I'm guessing it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/706">TS</a>]

00:11:47 ◼   ► it's not did you see that I tweeted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/707">TS</a>]

00:11:49 ◼   ► something there's some paper about how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/709">TS</a>]

00:11:50 ◼   ► you can make basically any spoken phrase [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/710">TS</a>]

00:11:52 ◼   ► be interpreted by speech recognition [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/712">TS</a>]

00:11:54 ◼   ► engine as any other phrase that you want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/714">TS</a>]

00:11:57 ◼   ► you have to know the details of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/717">TS</a>]

00:11:59 ◼   ► recognition engine but of course Amazon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/719">TS</a>]

00:12:00 ◼   ► does know the details it's pretty neat [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/720">TS</a>]

00:12:02 ◼   ► it does you can notice that it's been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/722">TS</a>]

00:12:03 ◼   ► modified like there's noise added but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/723">TS</a>]

00:12:05 ◼   ► it's fascinating and terrifying that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/725">TS</a>]

00:12:07 ◼   ► can have the audio say anything you want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/727">TS</a>]

00:12:09 ◼   ► and have the transcription say an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/729">TS</a>]

00:12:10 ◼   ► entirely different phrase yeah yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/730">TS</a>]

00:12:12 ◼   ► anyway so the point is like if you are a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/732">TS</a>]

00:12:14 ◼   ► a home pod person you actually have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/734">TS</a>]

00:12:17 ◼   ► pretty good reason right now to disable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/737">TS</a>]

00:12:19 ◼   ► the hey dingus feature on as many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/739">TS</a>]

00:12:22 ◼   ► devices you can get away with it because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/742">TS</a>]

00:12:24 ◼   ► it's like like if you don't end up using [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/744">TS</a>]

00:12:26 ◼   ► that much like if you're if you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/746">TS</a>]

00:12:27 ◼   ► willing to just hit the button on things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/747">TS</a>]

00:12:29 ◼   ► you're way better off having that often [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/749">TS</a>]

00:12:31 ◼   ► lots of devices because that way you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/751">TS</a>]

00:12:32 ◼   ► won't have this problem where the home [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/752">TS</a>]

00:12:34 ◼   ► pod grabs it when it's actually not the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/754">TS</a>]

00:12:36 ◼   ► device that either you want or that even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/756">TS</a>]

00:12:38 ◼   ► can handle the requestor giving it could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/758">TS</a>]

00:12:41 ◼   ► add a good story to it he was using he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/761">TS</a>]

00:12:43 ◼   ► was timers for like a midday meditation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/763">TS</a>]

00:12:45 ◼   ► and the home pod grabbed the you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/765">TS</a>]

00:12:47 ◼   ► please set a timer for whatever we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/767">TS</a>]

00:12:49 ◼   ► just fine you know whatever and you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/769">TS</a>]

00:12:50 ◼   ► set a timer for me but unlike the device [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/770">TS</a>]

00:12:53 ◼   ► Cindy normally that he was trying to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/773">TS</a>]

00:12:55 ◼   ► talk to his his watch they're like taps [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/775">TS</a>]

00:12:56 ◼   ► you when like your time is up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/776">TS</a>]

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00:19:31 ◼   ► aluminum powder cover with the plastic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1171">TS</a>]

00:19:33 ◼   ► dust crappy piece of furniture that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1173">TS</a>]

00:19:37 ◼   ► have I tried it in a bunch of different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1177">TS</a>]

00:19:39 ◼   ► positions to see how it would adjust its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1179">TS</a>]

00:19:41 ◼   ► sound [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1181">TS</a>]

00:19:42 ◼   ► couldn't tell much of a difference you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1182">TS</a>]

00:19:45 ◼   ► know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1185">TS</a>]

00:19:46 ◼   ► I couldn't tell whether it was just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1186">TS</a>]

00:19:48 ◼   ► thing it's sound or whether just sound [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1188">TS</a>]

00:19:49 ◼   ► different because it was in a different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1189">TS</a>]

00:19:50 ◼   ► place I do have a kind of near a corner [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1190">TS</a>]

00:19:52 ◼   ► which i think is not great for Bumi [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1192">TS</a>]

00:19:54 ◼   ► but I really it's really the best place [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1194">TS</a>]

00:19:56 ◼   ► I have for the thing I got white mostly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1196">TS</a>]

00:20:00 ◼   ► because I couldn't decide and so I asked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1200">TS</a>]

00:20:01 ◼   ► my son he picked white which I think is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1201">TS</a>]

00:20:03 ◼   ► a reasonable choice because all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1203">TS</a>]

00:20:04 ◼   ► other things are white as well in terms [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1204">TS</a>]

00:20:08 ◼   ► of filling the room with sound tell that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1208">TS</a>]

00:20:11 ◼   ► it's a point source like that's why I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1211">TS</a>]

00:20:13 ◼   ► mentioned I could get two of them might [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1213">TS</a>]

00:20:14 ◼   ► be better even if it wasn't just stereo [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1214">TS</a>]

00:20:17 ◼   ► like I can tell the sound is coming from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1217">TS</a>]

00:20:19 ◼   ► that part of the room but of course you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1219">TS</a>]

00:20:20 ◼   ► expected to be able to tell that like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1220">TS</a>]

00:20:22 ◼   ► it's not it's not magic but it is let's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1222">TS</a>]

00:20:25 ◼   ► put it this way it is less enveloping [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1225">TS</a>]

00:20:27 ◼   ► than the 5.1 system that I have on my TV [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1227">TS</a>]

00:20:30 ◼   ► and yeah I probably sounds better than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1230">TS</a>]

00:20:31 ◼   ► the 5.1 system but the 5.1 system [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1231">TS</a>]

00:20:33 ◼   ► surrounds the room so when I play you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1233">TS</a>]

00:20:36 ◼   ► know find out actually open those times [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1236">TS</a>]

00:20:38 ◼   ► I play music like during Christmas Eve [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1238">TS</a>]

00:20:40 ◼   ► like Christmas music when you're like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1240">TS</a>]

00:20:41 ◼   ► decorating the tree or on Christmas Day [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1241">TS</a>]

00:20:42 ◼   ► or whatever it's nice to have it come [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1242">TS</a>]

00:20:44 ◼   ► from all around and maybe I'll still do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1244">TS</a>]

00:20:46 ◼   ► that but it's in the room I talked to it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1246">TS</a>]

00:20:49 ◼   ► my my like out of box experience was not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1249">TS</a>]

00:20:52 ◼   ► the greatest because you go and you set [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1252">TS</a>]

00:20:54 ◼   ► up a thing it shows a little picture of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1254">TS</a>]

00:20:55 ◼   ► the home pod you like yes set up and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1255">TS</a>]

00:20:57 ◼   ► know you go through the whole thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1257">TS</a>]

00:20:59 ◼   ► everything seems fine and then you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1259">TS</a>]

00:21:03 ◼   ► go to the home app to control the device [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1263">TS</a>]

00:21:07 ◼   ► or to do something I know I'd never even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1267">TS</a>]

00:21:08 ◼   ► launched my life so I launched the whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1268">TS</a>]

00:21:09 ◼   ► map and there's my home pod that I just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1269">TS</a>]

00:21:11 ◼   ► set up and just got a big red message on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1271">TS</a>]

00:21:13 ◼   ► it that says like not responding it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1273">TS</a>]

00:21:15 ◼   ► like that for is like what do you mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1275">TS</a>]

00:21:16 ◼   ► not responding the thing is right there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1276">TS</a>]

00:21:18 ◼   ► I'm talking to it it's working fine how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1278">TS</a>]

00:21:19 ◼   ► can you tell me it's not responding [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1279">TS</a>]

00:21:21 ◼   ► eventually it started responding and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1281">TS</a>]

00:21:24 ◼   ► saw you can tap on it to like pause the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1284">TS</a>]

00:21:25 ◼   ► music and tap again to unpause and write [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1285">TS</a>]

00:21:27 ◼   ► whatever and then like 15 minutes later [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1287">TS</a>]

00:21:30 ◼   ► launched the home application again to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1290">TS</a>]

00:21:32 ◼   ► try to pause it from a different room [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1292">TS</a>]

00:21:33 ◼   ► and there was a little spinner on it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1293">TS</a>]

00:21:35 ◼   ► like the little dodd spinner and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1295">TS</a>]

00:21:37 ◼   ► spinner just spun there and it just spun [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1297">TS</a>]

00:21:39 ◼   ► for like five minutes since I closed the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1299">TS</a>]

00:21:41 ◼   ► home app not you know what I don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1301">TS</a>]

00:21:43 ◼   ► what the deal with that is I don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1303">TS</a>]

00:21:44 ◼   ► what its problem was seems to work now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1304">TS</a>]

00:21:46 ◼   ► not a great experience just one of those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1306">TS</a>]

00:21:48 ◼   ► kind of like oh sometimes Apple stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1308">TS</a>]

00:21:50 ◼   ► doesn't work you do have to wait those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1310">TS</a>]

00:21:52 ◼   ► kind of kind of depressing I did all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1312">TS</a>]

00:21:56 ◼   ► experiments everyone else did turn the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1316">TS</a>]

00:21:57 ◼   ► volume real loud talk to it it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1317">TS</a>]

00:21:59 ◼   ► impressive how well I can hear you I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1319">TS</a>]

00:22:01 ◼   ► not impressed with how quickly it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1321">TS</a>]

00:22:03 ◼   ► executed my commands it shows the most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1323">TS</a>]

00:22:07 ◼   ► when you're telling it to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1327">TS</a>]

00:22:08 ◼   ► playing a song because I do that all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1328">TS</a>]

00:22:10 ◼   ► time with the with the Google home side [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1330">TS</a>]

00:22:12 ◼   ► because my kids make them play things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1332">TS</a>]

00:22:13 ◼   ► and I want them to stop immediately [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1333">TS</a>]

00:22:14 ◼   ► right so this is probably my most common [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1334">TS</a>]

00:22:17 ◼   ► interaction I mean these devices tell it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1337">TS</a>]

00:22:18 ◼   ► to stop playing whatever audio it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1338">TS</a>]

00:22:20 ◼   ► currently playing and the home pod will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1340">TS</a>]

00:22:22 ◼   ► do it but a little bit more lag than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1342">TS</a>]

00:22:25 ◼   ► there is when I'm telling any of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1345">TS</a>]

00:22:26 ◼   ► Gould devices the Google devices like as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1346">TS</a>]

00:22:28 ◼   ► soon as I get the word out of my mouth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1348">TS</a>]

00:22:29 ◼   ► it's like boom the audio cuts off the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1349">TS</a>]

00:22:31 ◼   ► home pod seems like I have to think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1351">TS</a>]

00:22:33 ◼   ► about it for a half a second or so and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1353">TS</a>]

00:22:35 ◼   ► find that a little bit annoying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1355">TS</a>]

00:22:36 ◼   ► considering it's much more expensive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1356">TS</a>]

00:22:37 ◼   ► than the other ones so yeah not no real [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1357">TS</a>]

00:22:42 ◼   ► surprises are the only thing that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1362">TS</a>]

00:22:44 ◼   ► didn't anticipate is how angry my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1364">TS</a>]

00:22:47 ◼   ► children would get when they try to talk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1367">TS</a>]

00:22:48 ◼   ► to it using the Google's trigger phrase [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1368">TS</a>]

00:22:51 ◼   ► so they're constantly saying you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1371">TS</a>]

00:22:54 ◼   ► okay Google or whatever to try to make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1374">TS</a>]

00:22:56 ◼   ► it do things especially again if it's in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1376">TS</a>]

00:22:58 ◼   ► the middle of something and one kid [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1378">TS</a>]

00:22:59 ◼   ► wants to stop it playing audio play a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1379">TS</a>]

00:23:00 ◼   ► different one they're yelling at it to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1380">TS</a>]

00:23:01 ◼   ► be and this of the odd so the Google [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1381">TS</a>]

00:23:03 ◼   ► thing is answering them at this you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1383">TS</a>]

00:23:04 ◼   ► trying to play music at the same time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1384">TS</a>]

00:23:06 ◼   ► it's like you have to talk to but it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1386">TS</a>]

00:23:08 ◼   ► like what they don't understand why you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1388">TS</a>]

00:23:10 ◼   ► would have to use a different phrase I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1390">TS</a>]

00:23:11 ◼   ► mean I guess you can explain like it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1391">TS</a>]

00:23:13 ◼   ► not a Google thing or whatever but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1393">TS</a>]

00:23:14 ◼   ► that's stupid so yeah so I have I have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1394">TS</a>]

00:23:20 ◼   ► such mixed feelings about this so we got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1400">TS</a>]

00:23:22 ◼   ► a letter from Tim routers in in Tim said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1402">TS</a>]

00:23:26 ◼   ► I see some funny parallels between Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1406">TS</a>]

00:23:28 ◼   ► product launches even with you guys with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1408">TS</a>]

00:23:30 ◼   ► respect to home pod in your latest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1410">TS</a>]

00:23:32 ◼   ► episodes and Tim enumerates a bunch of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1412">TS</a>]

00:23:35 ◼   ► things in and I'll try to summarize his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1415">TS</a>]

00:23:37 ◼   ► summary so in when the iPod was released [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1417">TS</a>]

00:23:39 ◼   ► in 2001 you know it enters an existing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1419">TS</a>]

00:23:42 ◼   ► market of mp3 players oh there's no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1422">TS</a>]

00:23:44 ◼   ► wireless so there's less space no Nomad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1424">TS</a>]

00:23:45 ◼   ► lame iPhone oh it's ridiculously [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1425">TS</a>]

00:23:47 ◼   ► expensive it isn't a physical keyboard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1427">TS</a>]

00:23:48 ◼   ► no cop cut copy paste no 3G etc etc home [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1428">TS</a>]

00:23:52 ◼   ► pod well it's ridiculously expensive it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1432">TS</a>]

00:23:54 ◼   ► doesn't do multi-room audio doesn't do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1434">TS</a>]

00:23:55 ◼   ► stereo doesn't do multi users fearless [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1435">TS</a>]

00:23:57 ◼   ► serious is severely limited etc so Tim's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1437">TS</a>]

00:24:01 ◼   ► point as he continues I'm assuming he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1441">TS</a>]

00:24:03 ◼   ► continues every time Apple blitter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1443">TS</a>]

00:24:06 ◼   ► eights critics with its relentless focus [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1446">TS</a>]

00:24:07 ◼   ► on continuous improvement so in so many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1447">TS</a>]

00:24:10 ◼   ► words why isn't home pod the same thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1450">TS</a>]

00:24:11 ◼   ► all over again well I mean I don't think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1451">TS</a>]

00:24:14 ◼   ► it's fair to assume that every Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1454">TS</a>]

00:24:17 ◼   ► product that is a kind of weird or if he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1457">TS</a>]

00:24:19 ◼   ► or delayed or incomplete one point oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1459">TS</a>]

00:24:22 ◼   ► we'll like you know grow up to be an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1462">TS</a>]

00:24:23 ◼   ► awesome 2.0 or 3.0 4.0 like the initial [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1463">TS</a>]

00:24:26 ◼   ► iPod was really expensive and it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1466">TS</a>]

00:24:29 ◼   ► pretty limited especially cuz it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1469">TS</a>]

00:24:30 ◼   ► like Mac only at the time like it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1470">TS</a>]

00:24:32 ◼   ► there were reasons to be skeptical of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1472">TS</a>]

00:24:34 ◼   ► the initial iPod and that market wasn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1474">TS</a>]

00:24:37 ◼   ► really proven yet whereas you know over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1477">TS</a>]

00:24:40 ◼   ► time they did make it great and it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1480">TS</a>]

00:24:42 ◼   ► very successful the original iPhone was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1482">TS</a>]

00:24:46 ◼   ► too expensive for a lot of people that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1486">TS</a>]

00:24:47 ◼   ► original one did not sell nearly as many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1487">TS</a>]

00:24:49 ◼   ► as the follow-up models but you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1489">TS</a>]

00:24:51 ◼   ► over time they made the iPhone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1491">TS</a>]

00:24:53 ◼   ► ridiculously great I mean in my opinion [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1493">TS</a>]

00:24:55 ◼   ► was pretty great from day one but it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1495">TS</a>]

00:24:57 ◼   ► they made it more successful and more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1497">TS</a>]

00:24:58 ◼   ► mass-market as time went on but like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1498">TS</a>]

00:25:01 ◼   ► look at the Apple watch the first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1501">TS</a>]

00:25:04 ◼   ► version the Apple watch was barely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1504">TS</a>]

00:25:06 ◼   ► usable it was really a pretty mediocre [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1506">TS</a>]

00:25:09 ◼   ► product it had lots of problems lost [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1509">TS</a>]

00:25:11 ◼   ► limitations lots of weird and bad design [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1511">TS</a>]

00:25:13 ◼   ► choices they did it iterate that over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1513">TS</a>]

00:25:16 ◼   ► time but most of that iteration happened [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1516">TS</a>]

00:25:18 ◼   ► with the help of additional hardware [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1518">TS</a>]

00:25:20 ◼   ► generations and a couple of years of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1520">TS</a>]

00:25:23 ◼   ► software generations that doesn't mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1523">TS</a>]

00:25:25 ◼   ► that we were wrong to criticize the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1525">TS</a>]

00:25:27 ◼   ► Apple watch 1.0 the Apple watch 1.0 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1527">TS</a>]

00:25:30 ◼   ► needed a lot of criticism the home pod I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1530">TS</a>]

00:25:33 ◼   ► think is gonna be more like that but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1533">TS</a>]

00:25:36 ◼   ► although I think it's probably starting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1536">TS</a>]

00:25:38 ◼   ► from a better place you know the home [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1538">TS</a>]

00:25:40 ◼   ► pod is clearly at one point there's lots [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1540">TS</a>]

00:25:42 ◼   ► of missing features there's lots of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1542">TS</a>]

00:25:43 ◼   ► things that are a little bit wonky or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1543">TS</a>]

00:25:45 ◼   ► don't quite work the way people want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1545">TS</a>]

00:25:47 ◼   ► them to but I do expect over time for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1547">TS</a>]

00:25:50 ◼   ► the home pod to get significantly better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1550">TS</a>]

00:25:52 ◼   ► that doesn't mean that this home pod [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1552">TS</a>]

00:25:54 ◼   ► will get necessarily a better life that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1554">TS</a>]

00:25:55 ◼   ► might require new hardware so I think it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1555">TS</a>]

00:25:57 ◼   ► is fair to criticize this one and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1557">TS</a>]

00:25:59 ◼   ► other side of this is that a lot of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1559">TS</a>]

00:26:04 ◼   ► criticism about the home pod today is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1564">TS</a>]

00:26:07 ◼   ► bath Siri and the limitations of Siri [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1567">TS</a>]

00:26:09 ◼   ► and inferior performance in some areas [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1569">TS</a>]

00:26:13 ◼   ► of Siri I don't think we can reasonably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1573">TS</a>]

00:26:17 ◼   ► assume that's going to get better at at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1577">TS</a>]

00:26:19 ◼   ► the same kind of pace that we're used to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1579">TS</a>]

00:26:21 ◼   ► seeing Apple products get better with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1581">TS</a>]

00:26:23 ◼   ► when you're mainly waiting on like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1583">TS</a>]

00:26:25 ◼   ► hardware advances like we need the CPU [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1585">TS</a>]

00:26:28 ◼   ► in this thing to get faster that's gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1588">TS</a>]

00:26:30 ◼   ► happen that's you know that that's kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1590">TS</a>]

00:26:32 ◼   ► of a sure thing to happen you know one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1592">TS</a>]

00:26:34 ◼   ► to two years after the launch of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1594">TS</a>]

00:26:35 ◼   ► version 1 of pretty much anything that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1595">TS</a>]

00:26:37 ◼   ► Apple makes when you're when you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1597">TS</a>]

00:26:39 ◼   ► worried about like the local device [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1599">TS</a>]

00:26:41 ◼   ► software getting better like apples [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1601">TS</a>]

00:26:42 ◼   ► pretty good at local device software [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1602">TS</a>]

00:26:44 ◼   ► there's some flaws here and there but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1604">TS</a>]

00:26:45 ◼   ► they're pretty good at it but Siri is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1605">TS</a>]

00:26:47 ◼   ► not new and has gotten better at a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1607">TS</a>]

00:26:51 ◼   ► glacial pace and in many ways has the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1611">TS</a>]

00:26:55 ◼   ► same problems to it as it did when it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1615">TS</a>]

00:26:56 ◼   ► launched like seven years ago I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1616">TS</a>]

00:26:58 ◼   ► necessarily think it's a reasonable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1618">TS</a>]

00:27:01 ◼   ► assumption that the home pods flaws that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1621">TS</a>]

00:27:04 ◼   ► are Siri related are about to get better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1624">TS</a>]

00:27:06 ◼   ► or gonna get better in two years I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1626">TS</a>]

00:27:09 ◼   ► actually don't think that's a safe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1629">TS</a>]

00:27:10 ◼   ► assumption I would love that to be the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1630">TS</a>]

00:27:12 ◼   ► case but the track record of serious so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1632">TS</a>]

00:27:14 ◼   ► far is is pretty slow progress and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1634">TS</a>]

00:27:18 ◼   ► certain types of things that basically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1638">TS</a>]

00:27:20 ◼   ► are always problems I don't see that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1640">TS</a>]

00:27:23 ◼   ► changing quickly at least not as a sure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1643">TS</a>]

00:27:26 ◼   ► thing so I think it is reasonable to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1646">TS</a>]

00:27:29 ◼   ► criticize home pod 1.0 for no one to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1649">TS</a>]

00:27:31 ◼   ► making fun of us for criticizing the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1651">TS</a>]

00:27:33 ◼   ► things that are actually wrong with it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1653">TS</a>]

00:27:34 ◼   ► today and also to be a little skeptical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1654">TS</a>]

00:27:37 ◼   ► of Siri improvements being meaningful [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1657">TS</a>]

00:27:40 ◼   ► that are coming anytime soon the funny [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1660">TS</a>]

00:27:42 ◼   ► thing about this is is that Siri murder [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1662">TS</a>]

00:27:45 ◼   ► at least my understanding the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1665">TS</a>]

00:27:46 ◼   ► implementation of Siri is one of the few [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1666">TS</a>]

00:27:48 ◼   ► things that Apple could actually tweak [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1668">TS</a>]

00:27:49 ◼   ► on their end without a software update [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1669">TS</a>]

00:27:51 ◼   ► right like they can make tweaks to Siri [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1671">TS</a>]

00:27:54 ◼   ► server-side and they can do that at any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1674">TS</a>]

00:27:57 ◼   ► time and obviously that's not a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1677">TS</a>]

00:27:58 ◼   ► universal thing but generally speaking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1678">TS</a>]

00:27:59 ◼   ► they can make Siri a lot better without [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1679">TS</a>]

00:28:02 ◼   ► having to do any sort of software update [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1682">TS</a>]

00:28:03 ◼   ► locally and so here's the one place [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1683">TS</a>]

00:28:05 ◼   ► where Apple is most well equipped to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1685">TS</a>]

00:28:08 ◼   ► make changes and yet I completely agree [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1688">TS</a>]

00:28:10 ◼   ► with you Marco that Siri has gotten [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1690">TS</a>]

00:28:12 ◼   ► potentially even worse than when it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1692">TS</a>]

00:28:15 ◼   ► new no it's not worse than it definitely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1695">TS</a>]

00:28:18 ◼   ► and they started out pretty bad it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1698">TS</a>]

00:28:19 ◼   ► definitely is better and and it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1699">TS</a>]

00:28:21 ◼   ► getting better but it's getting better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1701">TS</a>]

00:28:23 ◼   ► at a very slow pace and it still is you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1703">TS</a>]

00:28:27 ◼   ► know it gains new abilities you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1707">TS</a>]

00:28:30 ◼   ► about once a year which is not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1710">TS</a>]

00:28:32 ◼   ► frequently enough it you know gains like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1712">TS</a>]

00:28:34 ◼   ► new abilities about once a year but it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1714">TS</a>]

00:28:35 ◼   ► is not it seems like it hit a plateau of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1715">TS</a>]

00:28:39 ◼   ► reliability like roughly in year two or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1719">TS</a>]

00:28:42 ◼   ► three and hasn't really gotten more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1722">TS</a>]

00:28:45 ◼   ► reliable since then yeah the point I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1725">TS</a>]

00:28:48 ◼   ► driving at though is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1728">TS</a>]

00:28:49 ◼   ► it's weird to me that this is the one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1729">TS</a>]

00:28:50 ◼   ► place where Apple could really you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1730">TS</a>]

00:28:52 ◼   ► ship fast ship ship off and and and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1732">TS</a>]

00:28:55 ◼   ► don't and it really bums me out and man [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1735">TS</a>]

00:28:58 ◼   ► I have so many angry thoughts about Siri [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1738">TS</a>]

00:29:00 ◼   ► that we'll probably get to next that I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1740">TS</a>]

00:29:01 ◼   ► just gonna leave for now but I agree [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1741">TS</a>]

00:29:04 ◼   ► with pretty much everything you just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1744">TS</a>]

00:29:05 ◼   ► said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1745">TS</a>]

00:29:05 ◼   ► John so when you read this I think we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1745">TS</a>]

00:29:09 ◼   ► got all of it from the email and so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1749">TS</a>]

00:29:11 ◼   ► think this like we didn't leave out any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1751">TS</a>]

00:29:13 ◼   ► examples and basically the only two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1753">TS</a>]

00:29:15 ◼   ► examples are iPod and iPhone the gist of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1755">TS</a>]

00:29:16 ◼   ► the email is you know why do you doubt [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1756">TS</a>]

00:29:19 ◼   ► Apple like they haven't they proven the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1759">TS</a>]

00:29:20 ◼   ► doubters wrong right doesn't you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1760">TS</a>]

00:29:23 ◼   ► the last night history proves you wrong [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1763">TS</a>]

00:29:24 ◼   ► doesn't it right well I think to start [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1764">TS</a>]

00:29:28 ◼   ► we have to say whatever whatever a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1768">TS</a>]

00:29:29 ◼   ► logical fallacy or statistical bias that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1769">TS</a>]

00:29:32 ◼   ► is you know you cherry picked like it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1772">TS</a>]

00:29:33 ◼   ► a ipod an iPhone as two examples yes yes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1773">TS</a>]

00:29:37 ◼   ► there's the you know the famous [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1777">TS</a>]

00:29:38 ◼   ► was it Rob motive of Slashdot anyone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1778">TS</a>]

00:29:41 ◼   ► remember slash time yeah no I probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1781">TS</a>]

00:29:43 ◼   ► know where I let's let's paste in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1783">TS</a>]

00:29:44 ◼   ► nomadland that's what that quote is and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1784">TS</a>]

00:29:46 ◼   ► that people lots of people doubted the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1786">TS</a>]

00:29:47 ◼   ► iPhone right those are like the apples [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1787">TS</a>]

00:29:51 ◼   ► two biggest products have for the Mac so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1791">TS</a>]

00:29:53 ◼   ► yeah you can pick them and say there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1793">TS</a>]

00:29:54 ◼   ► were doubters there were doubters for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1794">TS</a>]

00:29:56 ◼   ► ping two that didn't go anywhere [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1796">TS</a>]

00:29:59 ◼   ► there were doubters for the iPod Hi five [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1799">TS</a>]

00:30:00 ◼   ► doesn't go anywhere there were doubters [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1800">TS</a>]

00:30:02 ◼   ► for the g4 cube that like you know yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1802">TS</a>]

00:30:03 ◼   ► if you just pick the ones that end up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1803">TS</a>]

00:30:05 ◼   ► being smash successes it can look like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1805">TS</a>]

00:30:06 ◼   ► hey history proves you wrong but setting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1806">TS</a>]

00:30:07 ◼   ► that aside like so whatever you know so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1807">TS</a>]

00:30:10 ◼   ► you can't use these as examples anything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1810">TS</a>]

00:30:12 ◼   ► but what's different about the home pot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1812">TS</a>]

00:30:13 ◼   ► then the success is what makes it more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1813">TS</a>]

00:30:16 ◼   ► likely to be more like whatever sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1816">TS</a>]

00:30:19 ◼   ► no not-so-great success then it is to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1819">TS</a>]

00:30:24 ◼   ► like the iPod and the iPhone and I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1824">TS</a>]

00:30:26 ◼   ► there is not to say that this means home [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1826">TS</a>]

00:30:29 ◼   ► pot is not going to be a success but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1829">TS</a>]

00:30:32 ◼   ► think it probably means a home pot won't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1832">TS</a>]

00:30:33 ◼   ► be as huge of success as the iPod iPhone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1833">TS</a>]

00:30:36 ◼   ► both of those things came into the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1836">TS</a>]

00:30:38 ◼   ► market and they were substantially [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1838">TS</a>]

00:30:40 ◼   ► different than the existing players [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1840">TS</a>]

00:30:42 ◼   ► obviously the iPhone was difficult is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1842">TS</a>]

00:30:45 ◼   ► amused about how it was different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1845">TS</a>]

00:30:46 ◼   ► there's no physical keyboard no one does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1846">TS</a>]

00:30:48 ◼   ► phones like that you can't make a phone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1848">TS</a>]

00:30:49 ◼   ► like this doesn't even have 3G all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1849">TS</a>]

00:30:51 ◼   ► phones out there have 3G and you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1851">TS</a>]

00:30:53 ◼   ► expensive but like the iPhone was not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1853">TS</a>]

00:30:56 ◼   ► just like a Nokia candy bar phone but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1856">TS</a>]

00:30:58 ◼   ► with an apple logo on it right it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1858">TS</a>]

00:31:00 ◼   ► very very different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1860">TS</a>]

00:31:02 ◼   ► it had things that no other phone in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1862">TS</a>]

00:31:04 ◼   ► market had that's you know the software [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1864">TS</a>]

00:31:06 ◼   ► obviously no other phone in the market [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1866">TS</a>]

00:31:07 ◼   ► behave like that people didn't even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1867">TS</a>]

00:31:08 ◼   ► think it could possibly be real right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1868">TS</a>]

00:31:10 ◼   ► the iPod was more conventional but still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1870">TS</a>]

00:31:13 ◼   ► it was smaller and more well integrated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1873">TS</a>]

00:31:16 ◼   ► than the other devices that you could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1876">TS</a>]

00:31:18 ◼   ► buy that hold lots of songs in them and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1878">TS</a>]

00:31:20 ◼   ► the key part about the iPod was that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1880">TS</a>]

00:31:22 ◼   ► normal people could successful it could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1882">TS</a>]

00:31:24 ◼   ► be successful at the task of taking your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1884">TS</a>]

00:31:26 ◼   ► music collection and putting it on this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1886">TS</a>]

00:31:27 ◼   ► device and listening to it I owned a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1887">TS</a>]

00:31:29 ◼   ► bunch of pre iPod solid-state music [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1889">TS</a>]

00:31:33 ◼   ► players and if you remember they also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1893">TS</a>]

00:31:35 ◼   ► had pre iPod hard drive based ones over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1895">TS</a>]

00:31:37 ◼   ► the size of a truck right normal people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1897">TS</a>]

00:31:40 ◼   ► would if they bought those things at all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1900">TS</a>]

00:31:42 ◼   ► which they probably wouldn't tended to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1902">TS</a>]

00:31:44 ◼   ► be less successful again I know it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1904">TS</a>]

00:31:45 ◼   ► that my wife was not successful getting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1905">TS</a>]

00:31:47 ◼   ► the audio onto her tiny little flash [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1907">TS</a>]

00:31:49 ◼   ► whatever a samsung or maybe was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1909">TS</a>]

00:31:52 ◼   ► Panasonic I can remember like there were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1912">TS</a>]

00:31:54 ◼   ► a Yamaha that iPod was different than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1914">TS</a>]

00:31:58 ◼   ► the others in that it was better in all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1918">TS</a>]

00:32:00 ◼   ► ways in terms of like size and number of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1920">TS</a>]

00:32:03 ◼   ► songs that had held and it was better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1923">TS</a>]

00:32:05 ◼   ► and always related to user interface and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1925">TS</a>]

00:32:07 ◼   ► so even though it was very limited and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1927">TS</a>]

00:32:08 ◼   ► it was Mac only it was expensive and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1928">TS</a>]

00:32:10 ◼   ► had no wireless and had less space than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1930">TS</a>]

00:32:11 ◼   ► a nomad which I think was the one of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1931">TS</a>]

00:32:13 ◼   ► hard drive bass players in the market [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1933">TS</a>]

00:32:15 ◼   ► yep it had significant advantages home [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1935">TS</a>]

00:32:18 ◼   ► pod enters a market already populated by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1938">TS</a>]

00:32:22 ◼   ► devices that already do more than the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1942">TS</a>]

00:32:24 ◼   ► home pod does in exactly the same way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1944">TS</a>]

00:32:27 ◼   ► that the home pod intents that do it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1947">TS</a>]

00:32:28 ◼   ► there are cylindrical shape speakers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1948">TS</a>]

00:32:30 ◼   ► that play audio that you can talk to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1950">TS</a>]

00:32:32 ◼   ► right there is no differentiator for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1952">TS</a>]

00:32:34 ◼   ► home pot except perhaps audio quality [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1954">TS</a>]

00:32:36 ◼   ► and it's not like there's no competition [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1956">TS</a>]

00:32:38 ◼   ► for audio quality Sonos has good audio [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1958">TS</a>]

00:32:40 ◼   ► quality and depending on whose test you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1960">TS</a>]

00:32:42 ◼   ► look at even the google max thing seems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1962">TS</a>]

00:32:44 ◼   ► to be so so right so the home pod comes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1964">TS</a>]

00:32:48 ◼   ► in with no real differentiator like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1968">TS</a>]

00:32:51 ◼   ► there's nothing that it does that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1971">TS</a>]

00:32:53 ◼   ► different it's not like everything else [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1973">TS</a>]

00:32:54 ◼   ► has a physical keyboard and it doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1974">TS</a>]

00:32:55 ◼   ► all the other ones require you to touch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1975">TS</a>]

00:32:57 ◼   ► them and the home pod lets you talk to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1977">TS</a>]

00:32:58 ◼   ► it no it's exactly the same feature set [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1978">TS</a>]

00:33:00 ◼   ► and that's why the home pods getting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1980">TS</a>]

00:33:02 ◼   ► slammed because it comes into a crowded [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1982">TS</a>]

00:33:05 ◼   ► market doing nothing different or better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1985">TS</a>]

00:33:08 ◼   ► than the competition and not doing many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1988">TS</a>]

00:33:12 ◼   ► things that the competition does and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1992">TS</a>]

00:33:13 ◼   ► like I said the only thing you could say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1993">TS</a>]

00:33:15 ◼   ► homebuyers go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1995">TS</a>]

00:33:16 ◼   ► for it is audio quality but even audio [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1996">TS</a>]

00:33:17 ◼   ► quality / price you can get to Sonos [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1997">TS</a>]

00:33:19 ◼   ► ones versus the home pod and two saunas [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1999">TS</a>]

00:33:21 ◼   ► one sound just about as good as the home [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2001">TS</a>]

00:33:22 ◼   ► pod with the possible exception of bass [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2002">TS</a>]

00:33:24 ◼   ► most people say so that thin edge of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2004">TS</a>]

00:33:28 ◼   ► like okay well it's the best sounding [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2008">TS</a>]

00:33:29 ◼   ► cylinder that you can talk that you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2009">TS</a>]

00:33:30 ◼   ► get but on the other side of that coin [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2010">TS</a>]

00:33:32 ◼   ► you can't talk to it in as many ways as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2012">TS</a>]

00:33:34 ◼   ► you can talk to these seven other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2014">TS</a>]

00:33:35 ◼   ► products means that it's getting slammed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2015">TS</a>]

00:33:39 ◼   ► for I think legitimate reasons and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2019">TS</a>]

00:33:40 ◼   ► also means that unless something very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2020">TS</a>]

00:33:42 ◼   ► important changes it doesn't have the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2022">TS</a>]

00:33:45 ◼   ► potential to be a breakout hit in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2025">TS</a>]

00:33:47 ◼   ► same way the iPhone the iPod dupe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2027">TS</a>]

00:33:48 ◼   ► because it isn't differentiated enough [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2028">TS</a>]

00:33:50 ◼   ► even if it gets better at everything and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2030">TS</a>]

00:33:53 ◼   ► it is as good as the Google home devices [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2033">TS</a>]

00:33:56 ◼   ► at answering your things and you know as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2036">TS</a>]

00:33:57 ◼   ► good as Sonos an audio quality or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2037">TS</a>]

00:34:00 ◼   ► whatever you've just caught up then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2040">TS</a>]

00:34:02 ◼   ► right whereas the iPhone was is either [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2042">TS</a>]

00:34:05 ◼   ► gonna live or die based on the idea that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2045">TS</a>]

00:34:07 ◼   ► you can have a phone that's all screen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2047">TS</a>]

00:34:08 ◼   ► and guess what it lived right and same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2048">TS</a>]

00:34:10 ◼   ► thing with the iPod is the ease of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2050">TS</a>]

00:34:13 ◼   ► putting some music on this thing enough [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2053">TS</a>]

00:34:14 ◼   ► to make up for the high price well you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2054">TS</a>]

00:34:16 ◼   ► know that turns out that it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2056">TS</a>]

00:34:18 ◼   ► especially once it came to Windows the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2058">TS</a>]

00:34:20 ◼   ► iteration is definitely a thing but even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2060">TS</a>]

00:34:23 ◼   ► iteration can't save you entirely okay [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2063">TS</a>]

00:34:25 ◼   ► not save you can't make you a wildly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2065">TS</a>]

00:34:27 ◼   ► successful Apple TV is a great example [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2067">TS</a>]

00:34:29 ◼   ► Apple TV came out a long time ago back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2069">TS</a>]

00:34:31 ◼   ► when it was called ITV before the Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2071">TS</a>]

00:34:33 ◼   ► doesn't learn they couldn't use that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2073">TS</a>]

00:34:34 ◼   ► name [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2074">TS</a>]

00:34:35 ◼   ► the original Apple TV was not popular [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2075">TS</a>]

00:34:39 ◼   ► and did not succeed other devices came [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2079">TS</a>]

00:34:42 ◼   ► on market and did better than the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2082">TS</a>]

00:34:44 ◼   ► original Apple TV eventually Apple you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2084">TS</a>]

00:34:47 ◼   ► know caught up and said we're gonna make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2087">TS</a>]

00:34:48 ◼   ► a little puck shape thing and we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2088">TS</a>]

00:34:51 ◼   ► gonna do what everyone else is doing but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2091">TS</a>]

00:34:53 ◼   ► right now Apple TV is you know it can it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2093">TS</a>]

00:34:58 ◼   ► main advantages that you play your DRM [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2098">TS</a>]

00:35:00 ◼   ► lock the Apple content but other than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2100">TS</a>]

00:35:02 ◼   ► that it has no great differentiator for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2102">TS</a>]

00:35:05 ◼   ► you know besides media login from all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2105">TS</a>]

00:35:07 ◼   ► the other you know television connected [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2107">TS</a>]

00:35:09 ◼   ► devices and even some Smart TVs can like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2109">TS</a>]

00:35:11 ◼   ► play netflix just as well as the Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2111">TS</a>]

00:35:13 ◼   ► TV [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2113">TS</a>]

00:35:13 ◼   ► so they iterated an Apple TV room for a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2113">TS</a>]

00:35:16 ◼   ► long time and it actually took them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2116">TS</a>]

00:35:17 ◼   ► essentially two tries to even figure out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2117">TS</a>]

00:35:19 ◼   ► what the correct you know features and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2119">TS</a>]

00:35:21 ◼   ► and price for for that type of device so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2121">TS</a>]

00:35:24 ◼   ► I think it's it's not like we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2124">TS</a>]

00:35:27 ◼   ► doubting that the home pod will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2127">TS</a>]

00:35:29 ◼   ► you know be a successful product but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2129">TS</a>]

00:35:33 ◼   ► think it is entirely reasonable to give [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2133">TS</a>]

00:35:35 ◼   ► it all the criticism I think it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2135">TS</a>]

00:35:37 ◼   ► getting and I think it's entirely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2137">TS</a>]

00:35:38 ◼   ► reasonable not to expect it to be a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2138">TS</a>]

00:35:40 ◼   ► breakout success like the iPod and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2140">TS</a>]

00:35:42 ◼   ► iPhone at least at least unless it until [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2142">TS</a>]

00:35:45 ◼   ► it comes out with some differentiator in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2145">TS</a>]

00:35:47 ◼   ► fact if it was it would have you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2147">TS</a>]

00:35:49 ◼   ► they always say this like if people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2149">TS</a>]

00:35:51 ◼   ► aren't making fun of you you're probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2151">TS</a>]

00:35:52 ◼   ► not gonna be that successful it if it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2152">TS</a>]

00:35:55 ◼   ► was more differentiated and did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2155">TS</a>]

00:35:57 ◼   ► something radically different that would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2157">TS</a>]

00:35:59 ◼   ► give it probably more potential because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2159">TS</a>]

00:36:01 ◼   ► like maybe it does maybe that weird [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2161">TS</a>]

00:36:03 ◼   ► thing that it's doing that nobody else [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2163">TS</a>]

00:36:04 ◼   ► is doing is going to be the thing that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2164">TS</a>]

00:36:05 ◼   ► makes it a great success right but now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2165">TS</a>]

00:36:08 ◼   ► you look at it it's like it's not doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2168">TS</a>]

00:36:09 ◼   ► anything differently anyone else it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2169">TS</a>]

00:36:11 ◼   ► doing exactly the same stuff only some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2171">TS</a>]

00:36:13 ◼   ► of it not as good and that doesn't spell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2173">TS</a>]

00:36:16 ◼   ► you know massive success it spells ok [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2176">TS</a>]

00:36:20 ◼   ► success right even the watch I would say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2180">TS</a>]

00:36:22 ◼   ► is much more differentiated and even the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2182">TS</a>]

00:36:24 ◼   ► watch has taken a while to get going but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2184">TS</a>]

00:36:26 ◼   ► there was really no other SmartWatch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2186">TS</a>]

00:36:27 ◼   ► that had the basically the the power and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2187">TS</a>]

00:36:30 ◼   ► the you know the fashion sense that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2190">TS</a>]

00:36:33 ◼   ► Apple watch did on its introduction so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2193">TS</a>]

00:36:35 ◼   ► even that had more potential upside than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2195">TS</a>]

00:36:37 ◼   ► the home pod so I think everyone is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2197">TS</a>]

00:36:39 ◼   ► lukewarm on the home pod for valid [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2199">TS</a>]

00:36:41 ◼   ► reasons ok I mean it's just it's a fair [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2201">TS</a>]

00:36:46 ◼   ► point like I I understand why the email [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2206">TS</a>]

00:36:49 ◼   ► was written I just I don't currently see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2209">TS</a>]

00:36:52 ◼   ► it as the same and even if home had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2212">TS</a>]

00:36:55 ◼   ► version 7 is the best speaker that has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2215">TS</a>]

00:36:57 ◼   ► ever been made I don't think that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2217">TS</a>]

00:37:00 ◼   ► negates any of the criticisms we have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2220">TS</a>]

00:37:01 ◼   ► now and I'm trying to think of like what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2221">TS</a>]

00:37:04 ◼   ► would be a breakout feature like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2224">TS</a>]

00:37:05 ◼   ► know it's a feature that doesn't already [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2225">TS</a>]

00:37:08 ◼   ► exist in the Google or Amazon or Sonos [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2228">TS</a>]

00:37:10 ◼   ► product that the home pod could have and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2230">TS</a>]

00:37:15 ◼   ► you know just because I can't think of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2235">TS</a>]

00:37:17 ◼   ► one doesn't mean there isn't one there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2237">TS</a>]

00:37:19 ◼   ► could be one but nothing Apple has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2239">TS</a>]

00:37:21 ◼   ► announced I think fits that category [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2241">TS</a>]

00:37:23 ◼   ► maybe well I don't know maybe like if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2243">TS</a>]

00:37:27 ◼   ► the home kit stuff ever takes off apples [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2247">TS</a>]

00:37:29 ◼   ► do a better job of integrating all of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2249">TS</a>]

00:37:31 ◼   ► our light switches and doorbells and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2251">TS</a>]

00:37:33 ◼   ► whatever then Amazon currently does but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2253">TS</a>]

00:37:35 ◼   ► I don't know and you know in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2255">TS</a>]

00:37:39 ◼   ► meantime we're all just hoping that home [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2259">TS</a>]

00:37:40 ◼   ► pod catches up that its voice stuff is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2260">TS</a>]

00:37:43 ◼   ► that being as good as Google and Amazon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2263">TS</a>]

00:37:45 ◼   ► and that it gets all the capabilities [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2265">TS</a>]

00:37:48 ◼   ► that Apple originally advertised for it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2268">TS</a>]

00:37:49 ◼   ► in terms of having multiple ones and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2269">TS</a>]

00:37:51 ◼   ► multi-room audio and all the other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2271">TS</a>]

00:37:53 ◼   ► things that some of its competitors [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2273">TS</a>]

00:37:53 ◼   ► already have I want one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2273">TS</a>]

00:37:57 ◼   ► but I know I'm gonna be disappointed by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2277">TS</a>]

00:37:58 ◼   ► it and so that's why I'm bought one and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2278">TS</a>]

00:38:00 ◼   ► plus it's what is it three and fifty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2280">TS</a>]

00:38:01 ◼   ► four hundred dollars like that's it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2281">TS</a>]

00:38:03 ◼   ► enough money that's that's not an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2283">TS</a>]

00:38:04 ◼   ► impulse buy to me and not to say that it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2284">TS</a>]

00:38:06 ◼   ► is to you to either just for me anyway [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2286">TS</a>]

00:38:08 ◼   ► it's not an impulse buy and and so I I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2288">TS</a>]

00:38:11 ◼   ► just it's new and shiny and Apple made [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2291">TS</a>]

00:38:15 ◼   ► its that means I should I should have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2295">TS</a>]

00:38:16 ◼   ► won that's that's the rule that's what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2296">TS</a>]

00:38:19 ◼   ► they tell me to do that's what uncle Tim [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2299">TS</a>]

00:38:20 ◼   ► tells me to do and I don't know I'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2300">TS</a>]

00:38:22 ◼   ► probably get one eventually but sitting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2302">TS</a>]

00:38:23 ◼   ► here now I just I know it's gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2303">TS</a>]

00:38:25 ◼   ► disappoint me yeah I I really want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2305">TS</a>]

00:38:28 ◼   ► want the home pod more you know like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2308">TS</a>]

00:38:31 ◼   ► like I feel like I'm like on Apple's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2311">TS</a>]

00:38:33 ◼   ► team for pretty much everything else as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2313">TS</a>]

00:38:35 ◼   ► much as some people think I'm not I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2315">TS</a>]

00:38:37 ◼   ► really AM on Apple's team for the most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2317">TS</a>]

00:38:39 ◼   ► part and and the reason why I sometimes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2319">TS</a>]

00:38:42 ◼   ► criticism is because I like them so much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2322">TS</a>]

00:38:44 ◼   ► and because I think they're better than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2324">TS</a>]

00:38:45 ◼   ► everyone else in industry a lot of stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2325">TS</a>]

00:38:47 ◼   ► but it I really want so badly to love [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2327">TS</a>]

00:38:51 ◼   ► and then buy everything that they make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2331">TS</a>]

00:38:53 ◼   ► but I can't like the home pod is about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2333">TS</a>]

00:38:57 ◼   ► 70 percent of the way there for me like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2337">TS</a>]

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00:40:21 ◼   ► was frustrated with the Apple TV and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2421">TS</a>]

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00:40:35 ◼   ► of the other remotes better than well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2435">TS</a>]

00:40:38 ◼   ► yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2438">TS</a>]

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00:43:33 ◼   ► terrible but I applaud Apple for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2613">TS</a>]

00:43:35 ◼   ► sticking to their guns in regard to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2615">TS</a>]

00:43:36 ◼   ► privacy yeah we all know if they have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2616">TS</a>]

00:43:39 ◼   ► gathered more info on us it would be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2619">TS</a>]

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00:43:43 ◼   ► absolutely right and maybe the reason [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2623">TS</a>]

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00:45:23 ◼   ► cutting that corner because I think that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2723">TS</a>]

00:45:25 ◼   ► that that's better for me even though [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2725">TS</a>]

00:45:27 ◼   ► the product on the whole is worse but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2727">TS</a>]

00:45:29 ◼   ► can you get like an actor's name right I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2729">TS</a>]

00:45:32 ◼   ► was in in and even just basic dictation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2732">TS</a>]

00:45:35 ◼   ► so I went for a run yesterday and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2735">TS</a>]

00:45:40 ◼   ► one point to the ride my iPods and I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2740">TS</a>]

00:45:42 ◼   ► all I'm on my Apple watch my Apple watch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2742">TS</a>]

00:45:44 ◼   ► with LTE connection which I don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2744">TS</a>]

00:45:46 ◼   ► if you've ever heard I'm a little grumpy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2746">TS</a>]

00:45:47 ◼   ► about but here be that as it may I'm on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2747">TS</a>]

00:45:50 ◼   ► my ear pods Apple watch I am panting to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2750">TS</a>]

00:45:52 ◼   ► be fair but I if I had held down the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2752">TS</a>]

00:45:57 ◼   ► crown on the Apple watch so it would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2757">TS</a>]

00:45:59 ◼   ► listen to me because I've hey Siri [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2759">TS</a>]

00:46:00 ◼   ► alright no actually he Syria doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2760">TS</a>]

00:46:01 ◼   ► work with the air pods but I don't have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2761">TS</a>]

00:46:05 ◼   ► the the double tap to kick on Siri [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2765">TS</a>]

00:46:08 ◼   ► because I prefer to do it differently I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2768">TS</a>]

00:46:09 ◼   ► prefer the double tap to do different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2769">TS</a>]

00:46:11 ◼   ► things so I hold down the crown on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2771">TS</a>]

00:46:13 ◼   ► watch I hear the beep beep and I said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2773">TS</a>]

00:46:15 ◼   ► something to the effect of like remind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2775">TS</a>]

00:46:16 ◼   ► me to open a 529 savings account for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2776">TS</a>]

00:46:18 ◼   ► Makayla and holy God I wish I had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2778">TS</a>]

00:46:21 ◼   ► recorded what it had come up with in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2781">TS</a>]

00:46:24 ◼   ► defense of Siri I was panting this was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2784">TS</a>]

00:46:26 ◼   ► like two-thirds of the way through my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2786">TS</a>]

00:46:27 ◼   ► run but it came up with like something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2787">TS</a>]

00:46:30 ◼   ► that was barely intelligible I was able [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2790">TS</a>]

00:46:32 ◼   ► to piece it together [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2792">TS</a>]

00:46:33 ◼   ► after the fact but it was hilarious how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2793">TS</a>]

00:46:37 ◼   ► bad the transcription was and all it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2797">TS</a>]

00:46:40 ◼   ► was a reminder like this shouldn't in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2800">TS</a>]

00:46:42 ◼   ► theory have been that complex then I get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2802">TS</a>]

00:46:45 ◼   ► home and I decide I wanted to listen to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2805">TS</a>]

00:46:47 ◼   ► you some probably got off on me as I got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2807">TS</a>]

00:46:49 ◼   ► or even remember what it was and so I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2809">TS</a>]

00:46:51 ◼   ► in front of my garage I'm on my driveway [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2811">TS</a>]

00:46:54 ◼   ► my phone was sitting in my kitchen now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2814">TS</a>]

00:46:56 ◼   ► Marco you've seen the house and we are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2816">TS</a>]

00:46:59 ◼   ► talking 20 feet maybe from the from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2819">TS</a>]

00:47:03 ◼   ► basically the garage door to the kitchen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2823">TS</a>]

00:47:05 ◼   ► and to be fair there's a couple of walls [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2825">TS</a>]

00:47:07 ◼   ► including an exterior wall between me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2827">TS</a>]

00:47:09 ◼   ► and my phone but probably a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2829">TS</a>]

00:47:10 ◼   ► Tito's and Villita shells and cheese [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2830">TS</a>]

00:47:12 ◼   ► naturally and so I you know said you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2832">TS</a>]

00:47:16 ◼   ► know hey can you play me the latest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2836">TS</a>]

00:47:18 ◼   ► album by yo mute math or something like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2838">TS</a>]

00:47:20 ◼   ► that I don't remember exactly what it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2840">TS</a>]

00:47:21 ◼   ► was and then I see hold on again this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2841">TS</a>]

00:47:25 ◼   ► on my watch now I have plenty of Wi-Fi [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2845">TS</a>]

00:47:27 ◼   ► coverage at this point but it appears [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2847">TS</a>]

00:47:30 ◼   ► that's not good enough [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2850">TS</a>]

00:47:30 ◼   ► hold on I'll tap you when I'm ready yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2850">TS</a>]

00:47:36 ◼   ► series not available sorry about that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2856">TS</a>]

00:47:38 ◼   ► and it's like come on no maybe that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2858">TS</a>]

00:47:41 ◼   ► isn't I guess strictly speaking that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2861">TS</a>]

00:47:42 ◼   ► not serious like that's just a general [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2862">TS</a>]

00:47:43 ◼   ► connectivity because that's well I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2863">TS</a>]

00:47:46 ◼   ► is it or is it like is it a local [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2866">TS</a>]

00:47:48 ◼   ► failure or a server failure either way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2868">TS</a>]

00:47:50 ◼   ► it's kind of serious problem like if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2870">TS</a>]

00:47:52 ◼   ► your watch should be connected you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2872">TS</a>]

00:47:54 ◼   ► like if it's in an area where it has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2874">TS</a>]

00:47:56 ◼   ► good coverage it should be connected I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2876">TS</a>]

00:47:58 ◼   ► mean I have plenty of LTE although I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2878">TS</a>]

00:48:00 ◼   ► don't I did look and it was not on LTE [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2880">TS</a>]

00:48:02 ◼   ► at the time I plenty of LTE though so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2882">TS</a>]

00:48:04 ◼   ► hypothetically it could should have fall [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2884">TS</a>]

00:48:07 ◼   ► back - fall back fell back to LTE I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2887">TS</a>]

00:48:10 ◼   ► certainly was well within my Wi-Fi [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2890">TS</a>]

00:48:13 ◼   ► coverage without question I was in with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2893">TS</a>]

00:48:16 ◼   ► within Wi-Fi coverage and yet it insists [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2896">TS</a>]

00:48:18 ◼   ► on going I think to the phone because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2898">TS</a>]

00:48:21 ◼   ► you know when I did the swipe up to get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2901">TS</a>]

00:48:22 ◼   ► the little control center thing I saw a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2902">TS</a>]

00:48:23 ◼   ► phone icon in the upper left and it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2903">TS</a>]

00:48:26 ◼   ► insistent on going to the phone which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2906">TS</a>]

00:48:27 ◼   ► you have itself as a first stop okay [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2907">TS</a>]

00:48:29 ◼   ► fine I'm okay with that but can you not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2909">TS</a>]

00:48:30 ◼   ► fall back onto something else and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2910">TS</a>]

00:48:32 ◼   ► whatever I was trying to play was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2912">TS</a>]

00:48:34 ◼   ► something that I had night UNS match so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2914">TS</a>]

00:48:36 ◼   ► this sure to have like the way I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2916">TS</a>]

00:48:39 ◼   ► expected it to work is that maybe it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2919">TS</a>]

00:48:41 ◼   ► would have tried the phone and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2921">TS</a>]

00:48:42 ◼   ► given up when it wasn't too strong [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2922">TS</a>]

00:48:44 ◼   ► enough connection or whatever and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2924">TS</a>]

00:48:45 ◼   ► just gone via either Wi-Fi [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2925">TS</a>]

00:48:47 ◼   ► LTE and asked you know Apple hey what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2927">TS</a>]

00:48:49 ◼   ► did Casey just say oh he wants to listen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2929">TS</a>]

00:48:51 ◼   ► to the latest out of my new math okay so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2931">TS</a>]

00:48:53 ◼   ► does he have anything by yo mute math [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2933">TS</a>]

00:48:55 ◼   ► and iTunes Oh indeed he does here's what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2935">TS</a>]

00:48:58 ◼   ► you should play and it should work and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2938">TS</a>]

00:49:00 ◼   ► it's just these little failures are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2940">TS</a>]

00:49:03 ◼   ► happening all the friggin time and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2943">TS</a>]

00:49:06 ◼   ► to the point that I feel like I cannot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2946">TS</a>]

00:49:10 ◼   ► communicate with my phone verbally I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2950">TS</a>]

00:49:11 ◼   ► cannot communicate with my phone by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2951">TS</a>]

00:49:13 ◼   ► typing on my phone because that's become [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2953">TS</a>]

00:49:16 ◼   ► a disaster so I just I feel like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2956">TS</a>]

00:49:19 ◼   ► only device that I have that I can input [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2959">TS</a>]

00:49:22 ◼   ► any text into with any efficacy is my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2962">TS</a>]

00:49:24 ◼   ► Mac and it's driving me insane but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2964">TS</a>]

00:49:28 ◼   ► better hope it's not the MacBook [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2968">TS</a>]

00:49:29 ◼   ► keyboard actually my psyche there's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2969">TS</a>]

00:49:32 ◼   ► little bit crunchy today it's not too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2972">TS</a>]

00:49:33 ◼   ► happy about that I was able to mash on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2973">TS</a>]

00:49:35 ◼   ► and get whatever you know microscopic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2975">TS</a>]

00:49:37 ◼   ► speck of dust was out of the way I did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2977">TS</a>]

00:49:40 ◼   ► not need to return to work the can of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2980">TS</a>]

00:49:43 ◼   ► compressed air that I kid you not I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2983">TS</a>]

00:49:45 ◼   ► bought specifically for my macbook I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2985">TS</a>]

00:49:47 ◼   ► hadn't had a can of compressed air in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2987">TS</a>]

00:49:48 ◼   ► the house and like ten years but but but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2988">TS</a>]

00:49:51 ◼   ► I needed I think a lot of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2991">TS</a>]

00:49:55 ◼   ► frustration here is like like it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2995">TS</a>]

00:49:57 ◼   ► I mentioned I think last show or or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2997">TS</a>]

00:49:59 ◼   ► maybe it was on my seventeen our talk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2999">TS</a>]

00:50:01 ◼   ► show last week or whatever it was and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3001">TS</a>]

00:50:03 ◼   ► mentioned that I that like you know when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3003">TS</a>]

00:50:07 ◼   ► I first got the Amazon echo it was the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3007">TS</a>]

00:50:09 ◼   ► you know after years of like kind of you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3009">TS</a>]

00:50:11 ◼   ► know passively trying to use Siri and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3011">TS</a>]

00:50:13 ◼   ► have it fail a lot of the time and just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3013">TS</a>]

00:50:15 ◼   ► kind of be frustrated about it it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3015">TS</a>]

00:50:17 ◼   ► striking to me how reliable the Amazon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3017">TS</a>]

00:50:20 ◼   ► echo was in in and how quickly it would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3020">TS</a>]

00:50:23 ◼   ► answer me and and you know in part this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3023">TS</a>]

00:50:25 ◼   ► is kind of not a straight comparison [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3025">TS</a>]

00:50:28 ◼   ► because the Amazon echo is stationary [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3028">TS</a>]

00:50:31 ◼   ► plugged in all the time listening all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3031">TS</a>]

00:50:34 ◼   ► the time for the wake word at least and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3034">TS</a>]

00:50:36 ◼   ► is in a controlled environment it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3036">TS</a>]

00:50:39 ◼   ► always in the same spot and there are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3039">TS</a>]

00:50:41 ◼   ► like you know acoustic things that can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3041">TS</a>]

00:50:44 ◼   ► happen like for instance I mentioned [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3044">TS</a>]

00:50:45 ◼   ► earlier like when when my range hood fan [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3045">TS</a>]

00:50:47 ◼   ► is on on the stove it creates like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3047">TS</a>]

00:50:50 ◼   ► know a good deal of fairly broadband [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3050">TS</a>]

00:50:53 ◼   ► white noise and the echo just can't hear [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3053">TS</a>]

00:50:56 ◼   ► anything anymore like even if it's even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3056">TS</a>]

00:50:58 ◼   ► if humans can hear over it just fine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3058">TS</a>]

00:50:59 ◼   ► like sir [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3059">TS</a>]

00:51:00 ◼   ► types of noise that are in the room the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3060">TS</a>]

00:51:02 ◼   ► echo just seems to really hear very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3062">TS</a>]

00:51:04 ◼   ► badly if those noises are present but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3064">TS</a>]

00:51:06 ◼   ► but otherwise like the echo is pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3066">TS</a>]

00:51:09 ◼   ► reliable but again that's because it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3069">TS</a>]

00:51:11 ◼   ► in one place plugged in all the time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3071">TS</a>]

00:51:14 ◼   ► listening for the wake where all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3074">TS</a>]

00:51:15 ◼   ► time and has a stable connection like it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3075">TS</a>]

00:51:17 ◼   ► can remain connected the network it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3077">TS</a>]

00:51:19 ◼   ► doesn't have to it doesn't have to Power [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3079">TS</a>]

00:51:20 ◼   ► Save and drop itself off the Wi-Fi when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3080">TS</a>]

00:51:23 ◼   ► it's not necessary is stuff like that so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3083">TS</a>]

00:51:25 ◼   ► there are it this is not not a straight [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3085">TS</a>]

00:51:26 ◼   ► comparison here to your watch situation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3086">TS</a>]

00:51:28 ◼   ► which was very possibly affected by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3088">TS</a>]

00:51:30 ◼   ► connectivity and power saving stuff but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3090">TS</a>]

00:51:33 ◼   ► that being said like you know the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3093">TS</a>]

00:51:35 ◼   ► the way the error rates of these things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3095">TS</a>]

00:51:37 ◼   ► work suppose the echo hears me 95 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3097">TS</a>]

00:51:40 ◼   ► percent of the time and Siri hears me 90 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3100">TS</a>]

00:51:42 ◼   ► percent of the time that still means [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3102">TS</a>]

00:51:43 ◼   ► Siri fails twice as often and so as you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3103">TS</a>]

00:51:47 ◼   ► get closer to these higher number you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3107">TS</a>]

00:51:49 ◼   ► know it's very same same math when you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3109">TS</a>]

00:51:50 ◼   ► talk about cache hit rates you have the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3110">TS</a>]

00:51:51 ◼   ► same problem like like you know it seems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3111">TS</a>]

00:51:53 ◼   ► like my like when when one of my cache [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3113">TS</a>]

00:51:56 ◼   ► servers is down then about you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3116">TS</a>]

00:51:59 ◼   ► eight percent of hits will miss but that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3119">TS</a>]

00:52:02 ◼   ► also means that my databases are then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3122">TS</a>]

00:52:05 ◼   ► serving like five times as many hits [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3125">TS</a>]

00:52:07 ◼   ► because the hit rate is usually so high [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3127">TS</a>]

00:52:09 ◼   ► so like you know you'll see a huge spike [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3129">TS</a>]

00:52:11 ◼   ► in load on the databases for what seems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3131">TS</a>]

00:52:14 ◼   ► like a small difference in the cache hit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3134">TS</a>]

00:52:15 ◼   ► rate so this is you know it's similar [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3135">TS</a>]

00:52:17 ◼   ► problem here with like you know for Siri [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3137">TS</a>]

00:52:20 ◼   ► to get like competitive and better in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3140">TS</a>]

00:52:23 ◼   ► this way it needs to get what's it needs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3143">TS</a>]

00:52:27 ◼   ► to dramatically reduce its error rate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3147">TS</a>]

00:52:29 ◼   ► and its failure rate and Apple might [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3149">TS</a>]

00:52:32 ◼   ► think it's really good if you know if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3152">TS</a>]

00:52:34 ◼   ► Apple has data on this which I'm sure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3154">TS</a>]

00:52:35 ◼   ► they do you know they might see it as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3155">TS</a>]

00:52:37 ◼   ► somewhere being in the 80s or 90s and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3157">TS</a>]

00:52:38 ◼   ► think that's great but the competition [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3158">TS</a>]

00:52:40 ◼   ► is even better than that and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3160">TS</a>]

00:52:42 ◼   ► difference can still be seen and felt [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3162">TS</a>]

00:52:44 ◼   ► pretty pretty regularly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3164">TS</a>]

00:52:46 ◼   ► I would love so much for Siri to improve [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3166">TS</a>]

00:52:50 ◼   ► at the same rate as Apple's hardware and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3170">TS</a>]

00:52:52 ◼   ► software usually improves but it's been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3172">TS</a>]

00:52:55 ◼   ► here a while and we haven't seen that so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3175">TS</a>]

00:52:56 ◼   ► I I don't think anybody should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3176">TS</a>]

00:52:59 ◼   ► reasonably anticipate that that's going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3179">TS</a>]

00:53:01 ◼   ► to happen now like all of a sudden you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3181">TS</a>]

00:53:03 ◼   ► see you're gonna start getting better at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3183">TS</a>]

00:53:04 ◼   ► a rapid pace [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3184">TS</a>]

00:53:05 ◼   ► I don't know like they have this they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3185">TS</a>]

00:53:08 ◼   ► have the home pod which depends very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3188">TS</a>]

00:53:09 ◼   ► heavily on Siri so you might think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3189">TS</a>]

00:53:11 ◼   ► that's great motivation but I think the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3191">TS</a>]

00:53:13 ◼   ► iPhone for the last 70 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3193">TS</a>]

00:53:14 ◼   ► there's also pretty good motivation and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3194">TS</a>]

00:53:15 ◼   ► they haven't done that so you know I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3195">TS</a>]

00:53:18 ◼   ► don't it just it doesn't seem like it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3198">TS</a>]

00:53:20 ◼   ► really a core competency of Apple to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3200">TS</a>]

00:53:24 ◼   ► make really good AI based big data [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3204">TS</a>]

00:53:26 ◼   ► services like this and and you know a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3206">TS</a>]

00:53:29 ◼   ► lot of people lean on the privacy thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3209">TS</a>]

00:53:30 ◼   ► and Apple to some reason or to some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3210">TS</a>]

00:53:32 ◼   ► degree also kind of leans on the privacy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3212">TS</a>]

00:53:33 ◼   ► angle it almost as an excuse of why it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3213">TS</a>]

00:53:37 ◼   ► has to be this way and I think that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3217">TS</a>]

00:53:40 ◼   ► not a valid argument you know I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3220">TS</a>]

00:53:45 ◼   ► the the privacy aspect of the way Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3225">TS</a>]

00:53:48 ◼   ► does things is nice and and there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3228">TS</a>]

00:53:51 ◼   ► merit to that there's value to that I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3231">TS</a>]

00:53:53 ◼   ► glad they do that but that does not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3233">TS</a>]

00:53:55 ◼   ► preclude them from making really good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3235">TS</a>]

00:53:57 ◼   ► services in this area [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3237">TS</a>]

00:53:58 ◼   ► it just doesn't it's two it's two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3238">TS</a>]

00:54:00 ◼   ► separate things yes if they had more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3240">TS</a>]

00:54:02 ◼   ► data if they if they were more creepy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3242">TS</a>]

00:54:03 ◼   ► with letting stuff certain types of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3243">TS</a>]

00:54:05 ◼   ► certain services could get better but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3245">TS</a>]

00:54:08 ◼   ► Apple makes a lot of services that could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3248">TS</a>]

00:54:11 ◼   ► get better with what they already have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3251">TS</a>]

00:54:12 ◼   ► and they don't or they don't get better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3252">TS</a>]

00:54:15 ◼   ► enough so I don't think that Apple has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3255">TS</a>]

00:54:19 ◼   ► to give up privacy to make great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3259">TS</a>]

00:54:21 ◼   ► services conversely I don't think the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3261">TS</a>]

00:54:23 ◼   ► privacy is the reason their services in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3263">TS</a>]

00:54:25 ◼   ► some of these areas are not great I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3265">TS</a>]

00:54:27 ◼   ► think that's a convenient excuse for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3267">TS</a>]

00:54:29 ◼   ► people who don't really understand how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3269">TS</a>]

00:54:30 ◼   ► to make these services very well but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3270">TS</a>]

00:54:32 ◼   ► otherwise it's that's not the reality [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3272">TS</a>]

00:54:34 ◼   ► the reality is these services can get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3274">TS</a>]

00:54:38 ◼   ► way better with the amount of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3278">TS</a>]

00:54:40 ◼   ► information that they already do or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3280">TS</a>]

00:54:41 ◼   ► don't collect I don't think Apple is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3281">TS</a>]

00:54:44 ◼   ► culturally and structurally set up to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3284">TS</a>]

00:54:47 ◼   ► make really great services of this type [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3287">TS</a>]

00:54:48 ◼   ► I think they have proven that yeah and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3288">TS</a>]

00:54:51 ◼   ► that's exactly my point when I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3291">TS</a>]

00:54:52 ◼   ► bringing up what Jamie had said of you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3292">TS</a>]

00:54:53 ◼   ► is that there's so much that has nothing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3293">TS</a>]

00:54:55 ◼   ► to do with privacy like okay fine maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3295">TS</a>]

00:54:58 ◼   ► if Siri saw that I was sitting in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3298">TS</a>]

00:55:01 ◼   ► Virginia when I was asking about to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3301">TS</a>]

00:55:02 ◼   ► Virginia colleges playing each other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3302">TS</a>]

00:55:04 ◼   ► maybe it could have narrowed down a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3304">TS</a>]

00:55:06 ◼   ► little bit more but either way I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3306">TS</a>]

00:55:09 ◼   ► think that would have made a tremendous [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3309">TS</a>]

00:55:10 ◼   ► difference and okay even if that would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3310">TS</a>]

00:55:12 ◼   ► have made a difference then what happens [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3312">TS</a>]

00:55:14 ◼   ► when I'm using Siri is like a front end [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3314">TS</a>]

00:55:16 ◼   ► IMDB like I think it was John had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3316">TS</a>]

00:55:18 ◼   ► mentioned earlier you know I want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3318">TS</a>]

00:55:19 ◼   ► know about who's acting in the movie I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3319">TS</a>]

00:55:21 ◼   ► watching or the TV show I'm watching [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3321">TS</a>]

00:55:22 ◼   ► like Siri falls all over its face on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3322">TS</a>]

00:55:25 ◼   ► that half the time and that has nothing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3325">TS</a>]

00:55:26 ◼   ► to do with any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3326">TS</a>]

00:55:27 ◼   ► thing except I guess if it was listening [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3327">TS</a>]

00:55:29 ◼   ► to what I was watching which is even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3329">TS</a>]

00:55:31 ◼   ► creepy enough that I don't think Google [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3331">TS</a>]

00:55:33 ◼   ► does that sort of thing so you know what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3333">TS</a>]

00:55:35 ◼   ► I mean like there's so much that it that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3335">TS</a>]

00:55:37 ◼   ► has nothing to do with privacy and this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3337">TS</a>]

00:55:39 ◼   ► is what I was saying originally what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3339">TS</a>]

00:55:41 ◼   ► Marco is saying now just a moment ago it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3341">TS</a>]

00:55:43 ◼   ► there's so much that is beyond this and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3343">TS</a>]

00:55:47 ◼   ► I I just it's frustrating and I wanna I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3347">TS</a>]

00:55:51 ◼   ► want to see it get better and I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3351">TS</a>]

00:55:53 ◼   ► frustrated that it's not getting better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3353">TS</a>]

00:55:55 ◼   ► especially since unlike you know the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3355">TS</a>]

00:55:57 ◼   ► annual release cycles for Mac OS and iOS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3357">TS</a>]

00:56:00 ◼   ► which we hopefully talked about this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3360">TS</a>]

00:56:01 ◼   ► episode I I don't understand why this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3361">TS</a>]

00:56:05 ◼   ► isn't getting better faster except [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3365">TS</a>]

00:56:06 ◼   ► perhaps just in in Marco you said this a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3366">TS</a>]

00:56:08 ◼   ► moment ago you know a corporate culture [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3368">TS</a>]

00:56:10 ◼   ► that that doesn't that isn't conducive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3370">TS</a>]

00:56:12 ◼   ► to it I'd like to generalize this from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3372">TS</a>]

00:56:15 ◼   ► from Syria specifically to these voices [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3375">TS</a>]

00:56:18 ◼   ► since in general this is just to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3378">TS</a>]

00:56:19 ◼   ► reiterate some what Marco just said and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3379">TS</a>]

00:56:21 ◼   ► what he said on this topic many times I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3381">TS</a>]

00:56:23 ◼   ► think we all talked about in the past I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3383">TS</a>]

00:56:25 ◼   ► think it's actually analogous to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3385">TS</a>]

00:56:27 ◼   ► iPhone which I'm thinking about because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3387">TS</a>]

00:56:29 ◼   ► we had that earlier feedback about it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3389">TS</a>]

00:56:31 ◼   ► [Music] [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3391">TS</a>]

00:56:32 ◼   ► that it's Marco talked about the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3392">TS</a>]

00:56:35 ◼   ► percentage differences in the gaps and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3395">TS</a>]

00:56:37 ◼   ► like so you know if the competing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3397">TS</a>]

00:56:39 ◼   ► products are this good and Siri is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3399">TS</a>]

00:56:40 ◼   ► good even if Siri is improving there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3400">TS</a>]

00:56:42 ◼   ► still a gap between it but I think the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3402">TS</a>]

00:56:44 ◼   ► important part of those hypothetical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3404">TS</a>]

00:56:46 ◼   ► numbers is that like the original iPhone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3406">TS</a>]

00:56:49 ◼   ► there is a there's a threshold on one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3409">TS</a>]

00:56:54 ◼   ► side the same interface is not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3414">TS</a>]

00:56:58 ◼   ► acceptable on the other side of that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3418">TS</a>]

00:57:00 ◼   ► threshold you pass into the realm of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3420">TS</a>]

00:57:03 ◼   ► acceptability the iPhone was one of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3423">TS</a>]

00:57:05 ◼   ► first mass-market devices to cross that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3425">TS</a>]

00:57:08 ◼   ► threshold for touch input on a screen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3428">TS</a>]

00:57:10 ◼   ► the touch screen which touch screens was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3430">TS</a>]

00:57:13 ◼   ► existed forever and people generally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3433">TS</a>]

00:57:15 ◼   ► hated suddenly got responsive enough so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3435">TS</a>]

00:57:19 ◼   ► that you know it wasn't just like oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3439">TS</a>]

00:57:21 ◼   ► this is like 1% better it crossed over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3441">TS</a>]

00:57:23 ◼   ► all aligned right and suddenly it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3443">TS</a>]

00:57:26 ◼   ► good enough and they've gotten way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3446">TS</a>]

00:57:27 ◼   ► better since then right but it was so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3447">TS</a>]

00:57:29 ◼   ► clear that this is the first device that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3449">TS</a>]

00:57:31 ◼   ► that is good enough that regular people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3451">TS</a>]

00:57:34 ◼   ► will use the touchscreen and not just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3454">TS</a>]

00:57:37 ◼   ► fine you know they like they won't hate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3457">TS</a>]

00:57:39 ◼   ► it it'll it'll feel good it'll feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3459">TS</a>]

00:57:41 ◼   ► it'll feel like they're directly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3461">TS</a>]

00:57:42 ◼   ► manipulating the things on the screen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3462">TS</a>]

00:57:43 ◼   ► right for the cylinders that you talk to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3463">TS</a>]

00:57:46 ◼   ► the essential that they're there is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3466">TS</a>]

00:57:49 ◼   ► same line and Amazon cross that a long [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3469">TS</a>]

00:57:51 ◼   ► time ago and it's this a couple of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3471">TS</a>]

00:57:54 ◼   ► aspects one is this got to hear you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3474">TS</a>]

00:57:56 ◼   ► right - is it has to know what the hell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3476">TS</a>]

00:58:00 ◼   ► you're asking me about and three is it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3480">TS</a>]

00:58:01 ◼   ► has to do it fast right and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3481">TS</a>]

00:58:04 ◼   ► combination of those three things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3484">TS</a>]

00:58:05 ◼   ► produces a feedback cycle for people who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3485">TS</a>]

00:58:07 ◼   ► use the echo that builds confidence the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3487">TS</a>]

00:58:11 ◼   ► first time you use it you're impressed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3491">TS</a>]

00:58:12 ◼   ► that even understood what you mumbled [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3492">TS</a>]

00:58:14 ◼   ► then you're impressed that it did like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3494">TS</a>]

00:58:16 ◼   ► it could do the thing that you asked for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3496">TS</a>]

00:58:18 ◼   ► and then I think with the echo you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3498">TS</a>]

00:58:20 ◼   ► impressed that it did it so quickly like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3500">TS</a>]

00:58:22 ◼   ► you feel like you barely had the words [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3502">TS</a>]

00:58:23 ◼   ► out of your mouth and it's setting your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3503">TS</a>]

00:58:24 ◼   ► timer doing whatever telling you what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3504">TS</a>]

00:58:26 ◼   ► time it is are telling you the weather [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3506">TS</a>]

00:58:27 ◼   ► it just seems so fast and when that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3507">TS</a>]

00:58:29 ◼   ► happens that the threshold that it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3509">TS</a>]

00:58:32 ◼   ► crosses like the utility threshold of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3512">TS</a>]

00:58:33 ◼   ► like this is an appliance and it's no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3513">TS</a>]

00:58:35 ◼   ► longer a computer thing where I just you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3515">TS</a>]

00:58:38 ◼   ► know cross my fingers and hope that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3518">TS</a>]

00:58:39 ◼   ► something cool and computery works just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3519">TS</a>]

00:58:40 ◼   ► becomes part of your day right even if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3520">TS</a>]

00:58:43 ◼   ► it has limitations like oh I just know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3523">TS</a>]

00:58:45 ◼   ► it can't hear me with the rangehood on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3525">TS</a>]

00:58:46 ◼   ► right there this is parameters to it you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3526">TS</a>]

00:58:49 ◼   ► know if you know that's the case that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3529">TS</a>]

00:58:51 ◼   ► bad and Amazon should improve that but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3531">TS</a>]

00:58:54 ◼   ► it's not like on some days when it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3534">TS</a>]

00:58:57 ◼   ► raining you can't hear me and then on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3537">TS</a>]

00:58:59 ◼   ► Thursdays sometimes doesn't hear me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3539">TS</a>]

00:59:00 ◼   ► right like you crossed that threshold [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3540">TS</a>]

00:59:02 ◼   ► where it becomes reliable and there are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3542">TS</a>]

00:59:05 ◼   ► so many things that we could talk to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3545">TS</a>]

00:59:06 ◼   ► including Siri and lots of other things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3546">TS</a>]

00:59:08 ◼   ► that have some kind of voice interface [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3548">TS</a>]

00:59:10 ◼   ► that do not cross that threshold and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3550">TS</a>]

00:59:13 ◼   ► you you give up on them you don't use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3553">TS</a>]

00:59:15 ◼   ► them or use them for an extremely narrow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3555">TS</a>]

00:59:17 ◼   ► you know set of things and in particular [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3557">TS</a>]

00:59:20 ◼   ► circumstances now I think the home pod [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3560">TS</a>]

00:59:22 ◼   ► has actually crossed some of those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3562">TS</a>]

00:59:23 ◼   ► thresholds for Apple I think the home [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3563">TS</a>]

00:59:25 ◼   ► Bob can hear me really really well I may [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3565">TS</a>]

00:59:28 ◼   ► be able to hear me better than any other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3568">TS</a>]

00:59:29 ◼   ► device on the market not better enough [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3569">TS</a>]

00:59:31 ◼   ► perhaps to make a difference because in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3571">TS</a>]

00:59:33 ◼   ► general the I'm still amazed at how well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3573">TS</a>]

00:59:36 ◼   ► the Google home could hear me and I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3576">TS</a>]

00:59:38 ◼   ► seen other people talk to their echoes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3578">TS</a>]

00:59:39 ◼   ► from far distances and it seems to work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3579">TS</a>]

00:59:41 ◼   ► pretty well but the home pot I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3581">TS</a>]

00:59:43 ◼   ► crosses the threshold for can it hear me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3583">TS</a>]

00:59:45 ◼   ► it does not cross the threshold for does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3585">TS</a>]

00:59:48 ◼   ► that understand what I'm asking for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3588">TS</a>]

00:59:50 ◼   ► because still many times it will neither [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3590">TS</a>]

00:59:54 ◼   ► know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3594">TS</a>]

00:59:54 ◼   ► do what I think it should do or the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3594">TS</a>]

00:59:58 ◼   ► command will get different results [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3598">TS</a>]

00:59:58 ◼   ► command will get different results [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3598">TS</a>]

01:00:00 ◼   ► and it also I think doesn't cross the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3600">TS</a>]

01:00:02 ◼   ► threshold as I mentioned before for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3602">TS</a>]

01:00:03 ◼   ► responding quickly enough when I tell it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3603">TS</a>]

01:00:05 ◼   ► to stop playing music I know it hears me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3605">TS</a>]

01:00:07 ◼   ► I know it understands what I want to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3607">TS</a>]

01:00:09 ◼   ► and it does it but it does it a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3609">TS</a>]

01:00:11 ◼   ► bit more slowly than I would like slowly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3611">TS</a>]

01:00:14 ◼   ► enough that it makes me it gives me that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3614">TS</a>]

01:00:15 ◼   ► millisecond of doubt whether it's doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3615">TS</a>]

01:00:17 ◼   ► it it doesn't create that that feedback [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3617">TS</a>]

01:00:19 ◼   ► cycle where I'm like oh now I feel like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3619">TS</a>]

01:00:20 ◼   ► I have a voice connection to an off [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3620">TS</a>]

01:00:22 ◼   ► switch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3622">TS</a>]

01:00:22 ◼   ► right in the same way that whenever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3622">TS</a>]

01:00:24 ◼   ► Marco says like turn everything off and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3624">TS</a>]

01:00:25 ◼   ► is downstairs that it turns everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3625">TS</a>]

01:00:27 ◼   ► off you get used to it doing that right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3627">TS</a>]

01:00:30 ◼   ► then you don't get you don't expect it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3630">TS</a>]

01:00:32 ◼   ► to have like a little spinner light [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3632">TS</a>]

01:00:33 ◼   ► going spin spin spin spin okay I'll turn [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3633">TS</a>]

01:00:36 ◼   ► off your lights that's too long that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3636">TS</a>]

01:00:38 ◼   ► doesn't create the feedback cycle so I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3638">TS</a>]

01:00:41 ◼   ► not sure exactly what values those lines [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3641">TS</a>]

01:00:43 ◼   ► are at but I can tell that certain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3643">TS</a>]

01:00:44 ◼   ► devices are over in certain devices or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3644">TS</a>]

01:00:46 ◼   ► not and I think home pod with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3646">TS</a>]

01:00:48 ◼   ► advancement of its of its audio output [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3648">TS</a>]

01:00:49 ◼   ► and input has crossed over a bunch of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3649">TS</a>]

01:00:51 ◼   ► those lines but it's still a couple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3651">TS</a>]

01:00:54 ◼   ► things lagged behind and you really got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3654">TS</a>]

01:00:56 ◼   ► to get everything over the line kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3656">TS</a>]

01:00:58 ◼   ► like the original iPhone did to sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3658">TS</a>]

01:01:00 ◼   ► enter the game to enter the realm of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3660">TS</a>]

01:01:03 ◼   ► devices that regular people will use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3663">TS</a>]

01:01:05 ◼   ► routinely day after day and stop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3665">TS</a>]

01:01:07 ◼   ► thinking about as a tech gadget and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3667">TS</a>]

01:01:09 ◼   ► start thinking about as an appliance [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3669">TS</a>]

01:01:11 ◼   ► that you just expect to work all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3671">TS</a>]

01:01:12 ◼   ► time yeah we're a long way from there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3672">TS</a>]

01:01:14 ◼   ► unfortunately but not for the other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3674">TS</a>]

01:01:16 ◼   ► cylinders Casey should get a Google home [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3676">TS</a>]

01:01:18 ◼   ► right now with an echo I actually have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3678">TS</a>]

01:01:21 ◼   ► an Amazon echo on its way to me right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3681">TS</a>]

01:01:23 ◼   ► now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3683">TS</a>]

01:01:23 ◼   ► really wait what sorry I bury the lead [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3683">TS</a>]

01:01:26 ◼   ► actually yes so a friend of mine Justin [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3686">TS</a>]

01:01:30 ◼   ► Williams he might know from Glassport [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3690">TS</a>]

01:01:32 ◼   ► among other things he was getting rid of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3692">TS</a>]

01:01:35 ◼   ► his echo and said to me you know rather [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3695">TS</a>]

01:01:38 ◼   ► than trying to figure out you know who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3698">TS</a>]

01:01:40 ◼   ► to sell it to you know if I covered [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3700">TS</a>]

01:01:41 ◼   ► postage he would send it my way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3701">TS</a>]

01:01:43 ◼   ► and so I baked ashed him the cost to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3703">TS</a>]

01:01:47 ◼   ► send it from him to me and it'll be here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3707">TS</a>]

01:01:50 ◼   ► sometime next week [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3710">TS</a>]

01:01:51 ◼   ► probably after we record actually so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3711">TS</a>]

01:01:52 ◼   ► you're not gonna hear any more about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3712">TS</a>]

01:01:54 ◼   ► this for a couple of weeks at least I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3714">TS</a>]

01:01:55 ◼   ► still don't have any particular interest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3715">TS</a>]

01:01:57 ◼   ► in having an echo in my house but since [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3717">TS</a>]

01:01:59 ◼   ► almost everyone I know has one in almost [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3719">TS</a>]

01:02:01 ◼   ► everyone I know loves them I'm curious [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3721">TS</a>]

01:02:04 ◼   ► to see what'll happen with it but start [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3724">TS</a>]

01:02:06 ◼   ► asking kitchen questions or putting in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3726">TS</a>]

01:02:08 ◼   ► TV room and start asking me TV questions [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3728">TS</a>]

01:02:10 ◼   ► by the way I can't test the home pod on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3730">TS</a>]

01:02:12 ◼   ► we questions I asked it who was the star [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3732">TS</a>]

01:02:14 ◼   ► of a movie that's out now and I asked it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3734">TS</a>]

01:02:17 ◼   ► when a movie was released and I did both [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3737">TS</a>]

01:02:19 ◼   ► of them in just the first way that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3739">TS</a>]

01:02:21 ◼   ► occurred to me the you know questions [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3741">TS</a>]

01:02:25 ◼   ► that I have a good comparison to possess [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3745">TS</a>]

01:02:26 ◼   ► my Google things all the time for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3746">TS</a>]

01:02:28 ◼   ► who stars in the movie it it more or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3748">TS</a>]

01:02:31 ◼   ► less got it it basically read me a web [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3751">TS</a>]

01:02:33 ◼   ► page but it read me the relevant portion [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3753">TS</a>]

01:02:36 ◼   ► of the web page and it read me like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3756">TS</a>]

01:02:37 ◼   ► seven of the people that are in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3757">TS</a>]

01:02:38 ◼   ► movie and then asked me if I want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3758">TS</a>]

01:02:40 ◼   ► read the next two as well so it didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3760">TS</a>]

01:02:42 ◼   ► get like who the star was I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3762">TS</a>]

01:02:43 ◼   ► there's an obvious answer like one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3763">TS</a>]

01:02:45 ◼   ► person but it it read the cast it didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3765">TS</a>]

01:02:47 ◼   ► read me that the title on the rating saw [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3767">TS</a>]

01:02:48 ◼   ► I give it that one but it definitely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3768">TS</a>]

01:02:50 ◼   ► sounded like I found this on the web [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3770">TS</a>]

01:02:51 ◼   ► about blah blah blah which is not as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3771">TS</a>]

01:02:53 ◼   ► direct as when I asked the question of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3773">TS</a>]

01:02:55 ◼   ► Google it just tells me straight up I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3775">TS</a>]

01:02:56 ◼   ► asked if the release date and it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3776">TS</a>]

01:02:58 ◼   ► verbose about it it said the movie XYZ [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3778">TS</a>]

01:03:00 ◼   ► was released on you know January 12th [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3780">TS</a>]

01:03:02 ◼   ► but it got the right answer so I you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3782">TS</a>]

01:03:06 ◼   ► know I don't know if home pod has gotten [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3786">TS</a>]

01:03:09 ◼   ► better about that then Siri mostly I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3789">TS</a>]

01:03:12 ◼   ► just enjoying the fact that I find it so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3792">TS</a>]

01:03:15 ◼   ► much more reliably able to hear me I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3795">TS</a>]

01:03:16 ◼   ► hate using Syria I don't you have my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3796">TS</a>]

01:03:18 ◼   ► watch I don't where am i watch it all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3798">TS</a>]

01:03:19 ◼   ► the time but I hate using Siri on my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3799">TS</a>]

01:03:21 ◼   ► phone because I activate it and I never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3801">TS</a>]

01:03:22 ◼   ► know if it went safe for me to start [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3802">TS</a>]

01:03:24 ◼   ► talking and almost all the time I you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3804">TS</a>]

01:03:27 ◼   ► know hold down the home button and like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3807">TS</a>]

01:03:29 ◼   ► the little Siri thing appears on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3809">TS</a>]

01:03:30 ◼   ► screen and I say whatever I want to say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3810">TS</a>]

01:03:33 ◼   ► right and I see the little waveform move [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3813">TS</a>]

01:03:35 ◼   ► and while I'm talking it goes boo boo [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3815">TS</a>]

01:03:38 ◼   ► loop that is exactly and then I'm like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3818">TS</a>]

01:03:43 ◼   ► well maybe it maybe it heard me anyway [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3823">TS</a>]

01:03:45 ◼   ► so I finished what I'm saying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3825">TS</a>]

01:03:46 ◼   ► and it just stares at me and says how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3826">TS</a>]

01:03:48 ◼   ► can I help you you moved your waveform [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3828">TS</a>]

01:03:51 ◼   ► in response to my speaking it's clear [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3831">TS</a>]

01:03:53 ◼   ► that the audio was entering into the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3833">TS</a>]

01:03:55 ◼   ► system and you know jiggling but and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3835">TS</a>]

01:03:57 ◼   ► I always have to end up saying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3837">TS</a>]

01:03:58 ◼   ► everything twice and I hate that it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3838">TS</a>]

01:03:59 ◼   ► makes me feel dumb and it's not a good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3839">TS</a>]

01:04:01 ◼   ► interaction if I wait for the bloop I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3841">TS</a>]

01:04:02 ◼   ► feel like I'm waiting there forever but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3842">TS</a>]

01:04:04 ◼   ► now now is it okay for me to talk it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3844">TS</a>]

01:04:06 ◼   ► the worst talking to a cylinder is so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3846">TS</a>]

01:04:08 ◼   ► much better I don't care if it's ready [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3848">TS</a>]

01:04:09 ◼   ► for me I just start talking and the home [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3849">TS</a>]

01:04:12 ◼   ► pod definitely passes that test you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3852">TS</a>]

01:04:14 ◼   ► not once they did not hear me not once [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3854">TS</a>]

01:04:17 ◼   ► did it you know but bloop at me or do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3857">TS</a>]

01:04:20 ◼   ► anything or interrupt me in any way I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3860">TS</a>]

01:04:22 ◼   ► was able to say what I wanted to say and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3862">TS</a>]

01:04:24 ◼   ► it was able to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3864">TS</a>]

01:04:24 ◼   ► do what I wanted to do so you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3864">TS</a>]

01:04:27 ◼   ► excited I think home pod definitely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3867">TS</a>]

01:04:28 ◼   ► crosses some thresholds that previously [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3868">TS</a>]

01:04:30 ◼   ► hadn't been crossed by any Apple product [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3870">TS</a>]

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01:11:25 ◼   ► I've been in a lot of big software [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4285">TS</a>]

01:11:28 ◼   ► companies and over the years I've seen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4288">TS</a>]

01:11:30 ◼   ► III can't speak to what it's like inside [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4290">TS</a>]

01:11:33 ◼   ► Apple but I have to think that it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4293">TS</a>]

01:11:35 ◼   ► so incredibly different from other large [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4295">TS</a>]

01:11:37 ◼   ► companies especially these days and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4297">TS</a>]

01:11:41 ◼   ► thing that happens in companies to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4301">TS</a>]

01:11:44 ◼   ► stuff with software or technology in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4304">TS</a>]

01:11:45 ◼   ► general and probably in any companies [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4305">TS</a>]

01:11:48 ◼   ► that the higher you go up the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4308">TS</a>]

01:11:50 ◼   ► management chain the more the incentives [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4310">TS</a>]

01:11:52 ◼   ► are structured for those people to make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4312">TS</a>]

01:11:56 ◼   ► it seem like things are going well and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4316">TS</a>]

01:11:59 ◼   ► to themselves believe that things are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4319">TS</a>]

01:12:03 ◼   ► going well but eventually something will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4323">TS</a>]

01:12:05 ◼   ► happen that ripples alway up the entire [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4325">TS</a>]

01:12:08 ◼   ► org chart that you know me from down at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4328">TS</a>]

01:12:11 ◼   ► the bottom of the org chart I always saw [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4331">TS</a>]

01:12:13 ◼   ► those those unfortunate things that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4333">TS</a>]

01:12:15 ◼   ► happened as opportunities that must be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4335">TS</a>]

01:12:17 ◼   ► seized upon by those in the lower ranks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4337">TS</a>]

01:12:19 ◼   ► because that's your chance to say you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4339">TS</a>]

01:12:23 ◼   ► people higher up have thought [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4343">TS</a>]

01:12:24 ◼   ► everything's been great but we've been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4344">TS</a>]

01:12:26 ◼   ► down here telling you that X is really a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4346">TS</a>]

01:12:29 ◼   ► problem and now those chickens are come [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4349">TS</a>]

01:12:31 ◼   ► home to roost [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4351">TS</a>]

01:12:31 ◼   ► so let's hell you know come together and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4351">TS</a>]

01:12:34 ◼   ► have a discussion about how we're gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4354">TS</a>]

01:12:36 ◼   ► change things right and this cycle just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4356">TS</a>]

01:12:38 ◼   ► repeats itself like it never never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4358">TS</a>]

01:12:40 ◼   ► actually like fixes all your problems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4360">TS</a>]

01:12:41 ◼   ► but basically you know you gather [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4361">TS</a>]

01:12:44 ◼   ► together you say we're gonna change how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4364">TS</a>]

01:12:45 ◼   ► we do things in a way that will prevent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4365">TS</a>]

01:12:47 ◼   ► things like this from happening and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4367">TS</a>]

01:12:48 ◼   ► do it like you make the actual change [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4368">TS</a>]

01:12:50 ◼   ► you change procedures you reorganize [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4370">TS</a>]

01:12:52 ◼   ► people you change priorities you do you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4372">TS</a>]

01:12:54 ◼   ► know almost exactly the same thing to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4374">TS</a>]

01:12:56 ◼   ► talk about here you know lengthen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4376">TS</a>]

01:12:57 ◼   ► schedules give people who are closer to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4377">TS</a>]

01:13:00 ◼   ► the actual work more authority to push [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4380">TS</a>]

01:13:04 ◼   ► back on deadlines or I do you stop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4384">TS</a>]

01:13:06 ◼   ► setting unrealistic internal deadlines [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4386">TS</a>]

01:13:08 ◼   ► just so some middle manager can get a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4388">TS</a>]

01:13:10 ◼   ► bonus this year like you do all that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4390">TS</a>]

01:13:11 ◼   ► stuff right and it works like it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4391">TS</a>]

01:13:15 ◼   ► like it doesn't work it works like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4395">TS</a>]

01:13:17 ◼   ► make things better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4397">TS</a>]

01:13:19 ◼   ► there are the countervailing forces of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4399">TS</a>]

01:13:21 ◼   ► things slowing down and everything also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4401">TS</a>]

01:13:23 ◼   ► happened but then it just builds back up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4403">TS</a>]

01:13:25 ◼   ► again you get into a happy place again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4405">TS</a>]

01:13:26 ◼   ► and then you know get the same incentive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4406">TS</a>]

01:13:29 ◼   ► structures cause people to press hard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4409">TS</a>]

01:13:31 ◼   ► and set aggressive internal deadlines [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4411">TS</a>]

01:13:33 ◼   ► and fear of competition makes you add [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4413">TS</a>]

01:13:36 ◼   ► lots of features and so on and so forth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4416">TS</a>]

01:13:37 ◼   ► and you get it and then another crisis [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4417">TS</a>]

01:13:39 ◼   ► happens and people seize on it and like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4419">TS</a>]

01:13:40 ◼   ► this is just a cycle of any large group [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4420">TS</a>]

01:13:43 ◼   ► of people doing things and that's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4423">TS</a>]

01:13:46 ◼   ► stay I'm not trying to be like cynical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4426">TS</a>]

01:13:47 ◼   ► about it I agree with marco and almost [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4427">TS</a>]

01:13:49 ◼   ► everyone else has looked at this is like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4429">TS</a>]

01:13:50 ◼   ► yes this is exactly what we want Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4430">TS</a>]

01:13:53 ◼   ► to do and I really believe that a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4433">TS</a>]

01:13:55 ◼   ► they're really gonna do it and be that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4435">TS</a>]

01:13:57 ◼   ► it will really help right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4437">TS</a>]

01:13:59 ◼   ► I think this same cycle has happened [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4439">TS</a>]

01:14:03 ◼   ► inside Apple many times in the past and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4443">TS</a>]

01:14:05 ◼   ► it will happen many times in the future [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4445">TS</a>]

01:14:07 ◼   ► and I just think we're kind of in you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4447">TS</a>]

01:14:09 ◼   ► know in like a downswing that hopefully [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4449">TS</a>]

01:14:13 ◼   ► is about to take a turn into an upswing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4453">TS</a>]

01:14:15 ◼   ► so I see it as positive and like there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4455">TS</a>]

01:14:17 ◼   ► an entire industry around like how to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4457">TS</a>]

01:14:20 ◼   ► not go through this you know roller [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4460">TS</a>]

01:14:22 ◼   ► coaster cycle and how to you know get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4462">TS</a>]

01:14:23 ◼   ► sustainable growth and just do great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4463">TS</a>]

01:14:25 ◼   ► things for ever and ever and it's just a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4465">TS</a>]

01:14:26 ◼   ► constant struggle to get any larger [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4466">TS</a>]

01:14:28 ◼   ► group of people to do that maybe Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4468">TS</a>]

01:14:31 ◼   ► that's another topic we won't get to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4471">TS</a>]

01:14:32 ◼   ► today but like you know people have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4472">TS</a>]

01:14:34 ◼   ► rose-colored glasses about the whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4474">TS</a>]

01:14:35 ◼   ► they think the heyday of Apple was and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4475">TS</a>]

01:14:37 ◼   ► how well it was able to execute during [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4477">TS</a>]

01:14:39 ◼   ► those times and I think we will talk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4479">TS</a>]

01:14:40 ◼   ► about that on a future show but in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4480">TS</a>]

01:14:43 ◼   ► general this this quality focused thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4483">TS</a>]

01:14:45 ◼   ► I think is positive real and we'll have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4485">TS</a>]

01:14:49 ◼   ► real results but we'll find ourselves [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4489">TS</a>]

01:14:51 ◼   ► back yet here in about ten years at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4491">TS</a>]

01:14:53 ◼   ► minimum or a maximum rather and that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4493">TS</a>]

01:14:56 ◼   ► just the nature of the beast and we just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4496">TS</a>]

01:14:58 ◼   ► need to learn to learn to write it out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4498">TS</a>]

01:15:00 ◼   ► so I'm I'm optimistic I you know what I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4500">TS</a>]

01:15:04 ◼   ► keep saying i optimistic until I see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4504">TS</a>]

01:15:06 ◼   ► what they do with the Mac Pro because if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4506">TS</a>]

01:15:07 ◼   ► they disappoint me though they're all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4507">TS</a>]

01:15:08 ◼   ► really crushed me but I think I may be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4508">TS</a>]

01:15:10 ◼   ► unique in that regard well but and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4510">TS</a>]

01:15:12 ◼   ► Mac Pro is actually a really good you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4512">TS</a>]

01:15:15 ◼   ► know thing to mention here it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4515">TS</a>]

01:15:16 ◼   ► they told us directly like officially on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4516">TS</a>]

01:15:19 ◼   ► the record that they're working on a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4519">TS</a>]

01:15:20 ◼   ► great new Mac Pro that this you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4520">TS</a>]

01:15:22 ◼   ► that our Mac Pro problem will be solved [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4522">TS</a>]

01:15:24 ◼   ► and honestly half of us I think our Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4524">TS</a>]

01:15:26 ◼   ► Pro problem was solved by the iMac Pro [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4526">TS</a>]

01:15:27 ◼   ► it's pretty great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4527">TS</a>]

01:15:28 ◼   ► but like you know but for like the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4528">TS</a>]

01:15:30 ◼   ► you know the modular upgradable tower [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4530">TS</a>]

01:15:32 ◼   ► or module upgradeable Mac Pro I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4532">TS</a>]

01:15:34 ◼   ► know if Tuvia tower that's still a giant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4534">TS</a>]

01:15:36 ◼   ► unknown they said they promised it will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4536">TS</a>]

01:15:38 ◼   ► be better but until it actually comes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4538">TS</a>]

01:15:41 ◼   ► out we don't know that it will be better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4541">TS</a>]

01:15:42 ◼   ► and so like it's like great uh we know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4542">TS</a>]

01:15:44 ◼   ► that was great talk to get but we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4544">TS</a>]

01:15:46 ◼   ► haven't seen the actions yet so we can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4546">TS</a>]

01:15:49 ◼   ► really say whether that's you know an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4549">TS</a>]

01:15:52 ◼   ► actual positive thing or not and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4552">TS</a>]

01:15:56 ◼   ► this one more minor point is that we've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4556">TS</a>]

01:15:58 ◼   ► talked about this in the past as well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4558">TS</a>]

01:15:59 ◼   ► it's particularly for the Mac where like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4559">TS</a>]

01:16:02 ◼   ► the phone obviously they're still doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4562">TS</a>]

01:16:04 ◼   ► great in the phone and they have fierce [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4564">TS</a>]

01:16:05 ◼   ► competition in the phone right so I bet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4565">TS</a>]

01:16:08 ◼   ► they're gonna still be running pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4568">TS</a>]

01:16:09 ◼   ► hard on the phone front and so far they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4569">TS</a>]

01:16:11 ◼   ► have been running hard they've been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4571">TS</a>]

01:16:12 ◼   ► chipping good phones so good on them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4572">TS</a>]

01:16:14 ◼   ► right so obviously the highest priority [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4574">TS</a>]

01:16:15 ◼   ► to do a good job on it you know I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4575">TS</a>]

01:16:18 ◼   ► expect that to change that much the OS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4578">TS</a>]

01:16:20 ◼   ► that runs in the phone you know the push [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4580">TS</a>]

01:16:23 ◼   ► features out here and there I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4583">TS</a>]

01:16:24 ◼   ► they've they don't feel as much pressure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4584">TS</a>]

01:16:26 ◼   ► from the competition as they did back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4586">TS</a>]

01:16:27 ◼   ► when they had really you know back when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4587">TS</a>]

01:16:29 ◼   ► Android was just so far ahead of them in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4589">TS</a>]

01:16:31 ◼   ► terms of notifications and stuff and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4591">TS</a>]

01:16:33 ◼   ► multitasking and stuff like that I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4593">TS</a>]

01:16:34 ◼   ► that you know it's it's a closer race [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4594">TS</a>]

01:16:36 ◼   ► now but the Mac the the fantasy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4596">TS</a>]

01:16:38 ◼   ► opportunity that the low-level engineers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4598">TS</a>]

01:16:40 ◼   ► would love to seize upon us like boy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4600">TS</a>]

01:16:42 ◼   ► imagine if we could have you know sets [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4602">TS</a>]

01:16:46 ◼   ► of people permanently responsible to for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4606">TS</a>]

01:16:49 ◼   ► every important part of the system and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4609">TS</a>]

01:16:50 ◼   ► those people's just sat there and drain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4610">TS</a>]

01:16:52 ◼   ► their bug queues and like improve [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4612">TS</a>]

01:16:54 ◼   ► performance and test coverage and drain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4614">TS</a>]

01:16:55 ◼   ► their bug queues for like three years to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4615">TS</a>]

01:16:58 ◼   ► make and why would you do that how can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4618">TS</a>]

01:16:59 ◼   ► you afford to do that because the max [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4619">TS</a>]

01:17:01 ◼   ► competition is not moving as fast as the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4621">TS</a>]

01:17:04 ◼   ► the phones in the tablets competition [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4624">TS</a>]

01:17:05 ◼   ► right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4625">TS</a>]

01:17:06 ◼   ► not as much action is happening down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4626">TS</a>]

01:17:08 ◼   ► there and if you're trying to try to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4628">TS</a>]

01:17:10 ◼   ► find a role for the Mac in the company [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4630">TS</a>]

01:17:12 ◼   ► it could one possibility as we discussed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4632">TS</a>]

01:17:14 ◼   ► and shows in the past is it to make it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4634">TS</a>]

01:17:16 ◼   ► the super reliable bulletproof [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4636">TS</a>]

01:17:18 ◼   ► industrial-grade you know never crashes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4638">TS</a>]

01:17:21 ◼   ► never does the wrong thing just does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4641">TS</a>]

01:17:24 ◼   ► what it's supposed to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4644">TS</a>]

01:17:26 ◼   ► reliably make that the reputation of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4646">TS</a>]

01:17:29 ◼   ► Mac make it seem you know you're in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4649">TS</a>]

01:17:32 ◼   ► exchange for boringness and for slightly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4652">TS</a>]

01:17:34 ◼   ► slower or perhaps you know much slower [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4654">TS</a>]

01:17:36 ◼   ► rate of change you get massive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4656">TS</a>]

01:17:38 ◼   ► reliability so staff up the Mac teams [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4658">TS</a>]

01:17:41 ◼   ► drain those bug queues improve your test [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4661">TS</a>]

01:17:43 ◼   ► coverage improve performance and memory [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4663">TS</a>]

01:17:45 ◼   ► usage and all those that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4665">TS</a>]

01:17:46 ◼   ► of things you know this is assuming [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4666">TS</a>]

01:17:50 ◼   ► there's no major components still need [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4670">TS</a>]

01:17:52 ◼   ► to be written because there may still be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4672">TS</a>]

01:17:53 ◼   ► things lurking in there and then do that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4673">TS</a>]

01:17:56 ◼   ► for a couple of years to restore the max [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4676">TS</a>]

01:17:58 ◼   ► reputation and to make it more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4678">TS</a>]

01:18:01 ◼   ► attractive to the people who are most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4681">TS</a>]

01:18:03 ◼   ► likely to use the Mac before you go on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4683">TS</a>]

01:18:05 ◼   ► to the next cycle whatever that is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4685">TS</a>]

01:18:06 ◼   ► marzipan thing and now it's time for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4686">TS</a>]

01:18:08 ◼   ► Mac take its next evolution time to get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4688">TS</a>]

01:18:10 ◼   ► radical again I don't think that will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4690">TS</a>]

01:18:12 ◼   ► happen but that is one way that you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4692">TS</a>]

01:18:15 ◼   ► were the were the people who seized on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4695">TS</a>]

01:18:17 ◼   ► this opportunity able to really seize on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4697">TS</a>]

01:18:19 ◼   ► it I'm sure that's the dream of lots of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4699">TS</a>]

01:18:23 ◼   ► low level people who work on the Mac and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4703">TS</a>]

01:18:24 ◼   ► who are sick of ignoring your bugs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4704">TS</a>]

01:18:26 ◼   ► justice you are sick of them ignoring [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4706">TS</a>]

01:18:28 ◼   ► them I mean this is definitely a good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4708">TS</a>]

01:18:30 ◼   ► thing I don't see any way we can spin it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4710">TS</a>]

01:18:33 ◼   ► as a bad thing but fast forward to what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4713">TS</a>]

01:18:35 ◼   ► episode are we on like 265 fast word [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4715">TS</a>]

01:18:37 ◼   ► episode I don't know 3:10 but Phenom I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4717">TS</a>]

01:18:44 ◼   ► excited about this as much as I'm I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4724">TS</a>]

01:18:45 ◼   ► joking around I'm really excited about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4725">TS</a>]

01:18:47 ◼   ► this I think this is a good sign that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4727">TS</a>]

01:18:49 ◼   ► that Apple's seeing we're seeing and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4729">TS</a>]

01:18:52 ◼   ► it's also tough too because you know we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4732">TS</a>]

01:18:55 ◼   ► don't get to see all the like I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4735">TS</a>]

01:18:57 ◼   ► know if analytics is the right word for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4737">TS</a>]

01:18:58 ◼   ► it but like the analytics data that that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4738">TS</a>]

01:19:00 ◼   ► Apple sees and they may see that that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4740">TS</a>]

01:19:02 ◼   ► you know hard crashes and software are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4742">TS</a>]

01:19:05 ◼   ► trending down over the years and and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4745">TS</a>]

01:19:09 ◼   ► think that that that very well could be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4749">TS</a>]

01:19:12 ◼   ► true but it seems to me that it's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4752">TS</a>]

01:19:15 ◼   ► kind of Wiggly stuff that's that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4755">TS</a>]

01:19:16 ◼   ► really been letting us down lately like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4756">TS</a>]

01:19:19 ◼   ► Siri just not working when you want it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4759">TS</a>]

01:19:21 ◼   ► to for example let alone just you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4761">TS</a>]

01:19:23 ◼   ► answering the question incorrectly I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4763">TS</a>]

01:19:25 ◼   ► don't know it's tough and it's it's I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4765">TS</a>]

01:19:28 ◼   ► don't know what to make of it but no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4768">TS</a>]

01:19:31 ◼   ► Steven Sinofsky is that how I pronounce [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4771">TS</a>]

01:19:33 ◼   ► that I think something like that wrote a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4773">TS</a>]

01:19:34 ◼   ► tweet storm about this and we'll put a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4774">TS</a>]

01:19:37 ◼   ► link to either the tweet storm or he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4777">TS</a>]

01:19:39 ◼   ► eventually wrote a blog post about it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4779">TS</a>]

01:19:40 ◼   ► we'll put some sort of link in the show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4780">TS</a>]

01:19:41 ◼   ► in the show notes but I wanted to call [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4781">TS</a>]

01:19:43 ◼   ► out a few tweets of his he was a he was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4783">TS</a>]

01:19:45 ◼   ► a Microsoft engineer and headed up a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4785">TS</a>]

01:19:50 ◼   ► of their bigger software products if not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4790">TS</a>]

01:19:52 ◼   ► most of software I don't know exactly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4792">TS</a>]

01:19:54 ◼   ► where he was when when he left Microsoft [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4794">TS</a>]

01:19:56 ◼   ► but supposed to say the guy knows what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4796">TS</a>]

01:19:58 ◼   ► he's talking about and he knows what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4798">TS</a>]

01:19:59 ◼   ► he's talking I when I come [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4799">TS</a>]

01:20:00 ◼   ► to delivering software to lots and lots [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4800">TS</a>]

01:20:03 ◼   ► and lots of people and so in some of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4803">TS</a>]

01:20:05 ◼   ► tweets he wrote and this was a tweet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4805">TS</a>]

01:20:07 ◼   ► number 28 of his tweets to him I know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4807">TS</a>]

01:20:09 ◼   ► whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4809">TS</a>]

01:20:09 ◼   ► anywhere has delivered a general-purpose [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4809">TS</a>]

01:20:11 ◼   ► piece of software and hardware at scale [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4811">TS</a>]

01:20:13 ◼   ► to a billion people delivering such a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4813">TS</a>]

01:20:15 ◼   ► broad robust consistent experience we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4815">TS</a>]

01:20:17 ◼   ► don't have a measure for what it means [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4817">TS</a>]

01:20:19 ◼   ► to be quote high quality quote I can say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4819">TS</a>]

01:20:21 ◼   ► that in any absolute sense Apple has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4821">TS</a>]

01:20:23 ◼   ► exceeded everyone else and that's kinda [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4823">TS</a>]

01:20:24 ◼   ► what I'm talking about right like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4824">TS</a>]

01:20:26 ◼   ► know it may be that that really the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4826">TS</a>]

01:20:28 ◼   ► software quality is is good it's getting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4828">TS</a>]

01:20:30 ◼   ► better but it's in terms of crashes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4830">TS</a>]

01:20:33 ◼   ► perhaps and we've talked about this more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4833">TS</a>]

01:20:34 ◼   ► than once on the show but maybe it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4834">TS</a>]

01:20:37 ◼   ► getting worse in some of the the kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4837">TS</a>]

01:20:39 ◼   ► gray area that's harder it's harder to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4839">TS</a>]

01:20:41 ◼   ► track Steven continues in tweet 31 but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4841">TS</a>]

01:20:44 ◼   ► what happens to a team as complexity [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4844">TS</a>]

01:20:46 ◼   ► evolves is simply the challenge of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4846">TS</a>]

01:20:47 ◼   ► coordination and more importantly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4847">TS</a>]

01:20:48 ◼   ► consistency or leveling of decisions [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4848">TS</a>]

01:20:51 ◼   ► across a complex system this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4851">TS</a>]

01:20:52 ◼   ► particularly acute if the bulk of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4852">TS</a>]

01:20:54 ◼   ► team has only known the previous few [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4854">TS</a>]

01:20:55 ◼   ► years of success he continues in 32 so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4855">TS</a>]

01:20:58 ◼   ► Apple will just renew their engineering [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4858">TS</a>]

01:20:59 ◼   ► process it means thinking about how risk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4859">TS</a>]

01:21:02 ◼   ► is analyzed how schedules are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4862">TS</a>]

01:21:03 ◼   ► constructed how priorities are set this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4863">TS</a>]

01:21:05 ◼   ► is literally what it means to run a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4865">TS</a>]

01:21:06 ◼   ► project and what we are all paying them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4866">TS</a>]

01:21:08 ◼   ► to do so in conclusion so to me on Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4868">TS</a>]

01:21:11 ◼   ► this is Steven to me on Apple even as an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4871">TS</a>]

01:21:13 ◼   ► outsider I feel confident saying that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4873">TS</a>]

01:21:14 ◼   ► this isn't reactionary or crisis or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4874">TS</a>]

01:21:17 ◼   ► response to externalities importantly it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4877">TS</a>]

01:21:19 ◼   ► isn't a massive pivot or a student body [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4879">TS</a>]

01:21:21 ◼   ► left [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4881">TS</a>]

01:21:22 ◼   ► it's a methodical in predictable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4882">TS</a>]

01:21:23 ◼   ► evolution of an extremely robust and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4883">TS</a>]

01:21:25 ◼   ► proven system so the short short version [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4885">TS</a>]

01:21:28 ◼   ► is hey when you have a lot of people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4888">TS</a>]

01:21:29 ◼   ► writing a lot of code for a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4889">TS</a>]

01:21:31 ◼   ► different systems every once in a while [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4891">TS</a>]

01:21:33 ◼   ► just like John said you're gonna have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4893">TS</a>]

01:21:34 ◼   ► sit back and take stock and say we got a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4894">TS</a>]

01:21:36 ◼   ► we got a tweak a few things and that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4896">TS</a>]

01:21:38 ◼   ► what they're doing I think what Sinofsky [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4898">TS</a>]

01:21:39 ◼   ► missed is the cyclic nature of just like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4899">TS</a>]

01:21:41 ◼   ► yes this is this is totally routine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4901">TS</a>]

01:21:43 ◼   ► thing that happens and that it happens [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4903">TS</a>]

01:21:45 ◼   ► repeatedly like I don't know I get that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4905">TS</a>]

01:21:48 ◼   ► that forms a kind of a rollercoaster [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4908">TS</a>]

01:21:49 ◼   ► that people don't like they'd rather see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4909">TS</a>]

01:21:51 ◼   ► just like a gentle slope from you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4911">TS</a>]

01:21:53 ◼   ► with constant improvement I've never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4913">TS</a>]

01:21:56 ◼   ► seen that happen in the real world but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4916">TS</a>]

01:21:59 ◼   ► the cyclic nature of it can make you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4919">TS</a>]

01:22:01 ◼   ► make you jaded if you are a long time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4921">TS</a>]

01:22:02 ◼   ► employee or a long time engineer and be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4922">TS</a>]

01:22:04 ◼   ► like yeah this always happens or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4924">TS</a>]

01:22:06 ◼   ► whatever but that you know the problems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4926">TS</a>]

01:22:08 ◼   ► just come back I think that's true but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4928">TS</a>]

01:22:11 ◼   ► that's but it's better if you don't do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4931">TS</a>]

01:22:14 ◼   ► the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4934">TS</a>]

01:22:14 ◼   ► banan rollercoaster just becomes a down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4934">TS</a>]

01:22:16 ◼   ► rollercoaster there just goes down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4936">TS</a>]

01:22:17 ◼   ► forever and you never do make that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4937">TS</a>]

01:22:18 ◼   ► adjustment so I've you know I fully [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4938">TS</a>]

01:22:20 ◼   ► believe that these type of adjustments [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4940">TS</a>]

01:22:22 ◼   ► have gone on an apple for the entire [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4942">TS</a>]

01:22:24 ◼   ► life of the company and will continue to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4944">TS</a>]

01:22:25 ◼   ► go on and you just you know you just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4945">TS</a>]

01:22:27 ◼   ► have to roll with it but I'm ready I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4947">TS</a>]

01:22:29 ◼   ► ready for an upswing I think everyone is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4949">TS</a>]

01:22:31 ◼   ► yep big time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4951">TS</a>]

01:22:33 ◼   ► Barton Meeks writes in do you think the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4953">TS</a>]

01:22:35 ◼   ► modular Mac Pro will provide a solution [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4955">TS</a>]

01:22:37 ◼   ► to a Mac Mini update at a reasonable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4957">TS</a>]

01:22:39 ◼   ► price nope nope Alastair Campbell writes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4959">TS</a>]

01:22:42 ◼   ► in you've alluded to a negative effect [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4962">TS</a>]

01:22:44 ◼   ► of running movies at the wrong framerate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4964">TS</a>]

01:22:45 ◼   ► but I must have missed the original [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4965">TS</a>]

01:22:47 ◼   ► explanation I'm wondering if it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4967">TS</a>]

01:22:49 ◼   ► better to hand break blu-rays at 24 or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4969">TS</a>]

01:22:51 ◼   ► 30 frames per second what's the good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4971">TS</a>]

01:22:54 ◼   ► digital backup for you and John you seem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4974">TS</a>]

01:22:56 ◼   ► to be the most opinionated about this so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4976">TS</a>]

01:22:57 ◼   ► do you want to take this one so the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4977">TS</a>]

01:22:59 ◼   ► negative effect of running things at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4979">TS</a>]

01:23:00 ◼   ► wrong framerate is if they're not nice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4980">TS</a>]

01:23:02 ◼   ► multiples of each other and has to show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4982">TS</a>]

01:23:04 ◼   ► frames for different amounts of time but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4984">TS</a>]

01:23:06 ◼   ► the video content we have expects you to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4986">TS</a>]

01:23:08 ◼   ► show a refrain from equal amount of time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4988">TS</a>]

01:23:09 ◼   ► whether it's one thirtieth of a second [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4989">TS</a>]

01:23:11 ◼   ► or one twenty-fourth of a second or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4991">TS</a>]

01:23:12 ◼   ► whatever if you show some frames longer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4992">TS</a>]

01:23:14 ◼   ► than you show other frames it can make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4994">TS</a>]

01:23:15 ◼   ► motion look stuttery because it's it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4995">TS</a>]

01:23:17 ◼   ► like long long short short short long or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4997">TS</a>]

01:23:19 ◼   ► whatever it doesn't you might not notice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4999">TS</a>]

01:23:21 ◼   ► then lots of still images and maybe you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5001">TS</a>]

01:23:22 ◼   ► don't notice that much in motion but it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5002">TS</a>]

01:23:23 ◼   ► doesn't quite look right so that is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5003">TS</a>]

01:23:25 ◼   ► negative effect you don't want that it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5005">TS</a>]

01:23:29 ◼   ► asking whether it's better to handbrake [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5009">TS</a>]

01:23:31 ◼   ► to to encode blu-rays at 24 or 30 you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5011">TS</a>]

01:23:34 ◼   ► should encode them at whatever the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5014">TS</a>]

01:23:35 ◼   ► frame rate of the original source [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5015">TS</a>]

01:23:37 ◼   ► material is so if it's TV show and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5017">TS</a>]

01:23:39 ◼   ► a twenty nine point nine seven whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5019">TS</a>]

01:23:40 ◼   ► encoded at that frame rate if it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5020">TS</a>]

01:23:42 ◼   ► movie and it's the 24 encoded at that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5022">TS</a>]

01:23:43 ◼   ► frame rate don't do any kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5023">TS</a>]

01:23:45 ◼   ► conversion whatever the source framer it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5025">TS</a>]

01:23:47 ◼   ► is keep that and what's a good digital [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5027">TS</a>]

01:23:49 ◼   ► backup I'm assuming you mean like take [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5029">TS</a>]

01:23:52 ◼   ► it off of your class discs and put it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5032">TS</a>]

01:23:54 ◼   ► somewhere you have to just rip the data [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5034">TS</a>]

01:23:56 ◼   ► exactly as is no transcoding no anything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5036">TS</a>]

01:23:58 ◼   ► if you really want to have a digital [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5038">TS</a>]

01:23:59 ◼   ► backup use something like make MKV or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5039">TS</a>]

01:24:01 ◼   ► whatever to just pull the bit the bits [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5041">TS</a>]

01:24:02 ◼   ► off the disk exactly as is with no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5042">TS</a>]

01:24:05 ◼   ► conversion of format whatsoever and that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5045">TS</a>]

01:24:07 ◼   ► is the only digital backup then you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5047">TS</a>]

01:24:09 ◼   ► have of stuff like this the best digital [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5049">TS</a>]

01:24:11 ◼   ► backup is perhaps to buy all these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5051">TS</a>]

01:24:12 ◼   ► things in the cloud and then you don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5052">TS</a>]

01:24:14 ◼   ► have to worry about storing them but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5054">TS</a>]

01:24:15 ◼   ► then you have to worry about the company [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5055">TS</a>]

01:24:16 ◼   ► going out of business and you're having [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5056">TS</a>]

01:24:17 ◼   ► no way to watch that stuff anymore which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5057">TS</a>]

01:24:19 ◼   ► leads us into our next question [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5059">TS</a>]

01:24:20 ◼   ► the next question is from Benjamin [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5060">TS</a>]

01:24:23 ◼   ► ischium John you've mentioned that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5063">TS</a>]

01:24:25 ◼   ► prefer ebooks to paper books how do you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5065">TS</a>]

01:24:26 ◼   ► deal with DRM slowly making your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5066">TS</a>]

01:24:28 ◼   ► books inaccessible over time Benjamin [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5068">TS</a>]

01:24:30 ◼   ► continues I quote unquote own a couple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5070">TS</a>]

01:24:32 ◼   ► of palm digital media books that I'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5072">TS</a>]

01:24:34 ◼   ► never be able to read again so this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5074">TS</a>]

01:24:37 ◼   ► tricky it's a lot there was a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5077">TS</a>]

01:24:39 ◼   ► churn in the e-book business early on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5079">TS</a>]

01:24:41 ◼   ► some people who made in Soul the ebooks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5081">TS</a>]

01:24:44 ◼   ► no longer do so I worked for prom [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5084">TS</a>]

01:24:46 ◼   ► digital media back when we have the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5086">TS</a>]

01:24:48 ◼   ► largest ebook store in the world if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5088">TS</a>]

01:24:50 ◼   ► can believe it this is before Hamazon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5090">TS</a>]

01:24:51 ◼   ► entered the game and many many things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5091">TS</a>]

01:24:55 ◼   ► went wrong there but anyway they were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5095">TS</a>]

01:24:57 ◼   ► DRM in comfort and if you purchase them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5097">TS</a>]

01:24:59 ◼   ► from the store you could read them in an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5099">TS</a>]

01:25:00 ◼   ► application that was ported to all sorts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5100">TS</a>]

01:25:02 ◼   ► of different platforms so it eventually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5102">TS</a>]

01:25:05 ◼   ► went down the drain and that business of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5105">TS</a>]

01:25:07 ◼   ► selling ebooks went down the drain with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5107">TS</a>]

01:25:09 ◼   ► it more or less and eventually you get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5109">TS</a>]

01:25:10 ◼   ► to the point where the you know the iOS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5110">TS</a>]

01:25:13 ◼   ► reader application which existed for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5113">TS</a>]

01:25:15 ◼   ► many years like doesn't even launch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5115">TS</a>]

01:25:16 ◼   ► anymore I think it's probably because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5116">TS</a>]

01:25:17 ◼   ► it's 32-bit these days so you've got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5117">TS</a>]

01:25:19 ◼   ► these DRM encumbered ebooks that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5119">TS</a>]

01:25:22 ◼   ► quote-unquote own that you can no longer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5122">TS</a>]

01:25:24 ◼   ► read or that you can only read on like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5124">TS</a>]

01:25:25 ◼   ► really old Mac that can still run the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5125">TS</a>]

01:25:27 ◼   ► role to reader software or whatever so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5127">TS</a>]

01:25:29 ◼   ► what to do how do you deal with that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5129">TS</a>]

01:25:31 ◼   ► do still prefer ebooks just for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5131">TS</a>]

01:25:33 ◼   ► convenience or whatever I understand the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5133">TS</a>]

01:25:35 ◼   ► limitations they provide but I think the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5135">TS</a>]

01:25:36 ◼   ► convenience is worth it for me in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5136">TS</a>]

01:25:39 ◼   ► general these days you're buying ebooks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5139">TS</a>]

01:25:41 ◼   ► from one of the modern vendors most of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5141">TS</a>]

01:25:45 ◼   ► them there's some shady way for you to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5145">TS</a>]

01:25:48 ◼   ► crack their DRM and to make them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5148">TS</a>]

01:25:50 ◼   ► unencumbered [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5150">TS</a>]

01:25:51 ◼   ► so you're still stuck with the format I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5151">TS</a>]

01:25:53 ◼   ► can convert them to ePub or whatever but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5153">TS</a>]

01:25:55 ◼   ► 50 years ago you want to read your epub [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5155">TS</a>]

01:25:57 ◼   ► isn't like we have nothing they can read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5157">TS</a>]

01:25:58 ◼   ► bub epubs you know HTML died and the you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5158">TS</a>]

01:26:01 ◼   ► know the fire of the nuclear Armageddon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5161">TS</a>]

01:26:04 ◼   ► and whatever you know who knows you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5164">TS</a>]

01:26:05 ◼   ► don't be able to read your epub so the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5165">TS</a>]

01:26:06 ◼   ► point is it's not DRM encumbered at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5166">TS</a>]

01:26:08 ◼   ► least you're only limited by the format [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5168">TS</a>]

01:26:09 ◼   ► for palm those are media books [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5169">TS</a>]

01:26:12 ◼   ► specifically I don't know if there's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5172">TS</a>]

01:26:14 ◼   ► way to crack them you can try the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5174">TS</a>]

01:26:17 ◼   ► application calibre which i think is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5177">TS</a>]

01:26:19 ◼   ► used to crack a whole bunch of the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5179">TS</a>]

01:26:22 ◼   ► Amazon stuff with certain plugins or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5182">TS</a>]

01:26:23 ◼   ► whatever but plums as a media ebooks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5183">TS</a>]

01:26:26 ◼   ► were originally encrypted with your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5186">TS</a>]

01:26:28 ◼   ► credit card number they used to buy them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5188">TS</a>]

01:26:30 ◼   ► and if you if you don't know the credit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5190">TS</a>]

01:26:32 ◼   ► card number with modern computing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5192">TS</a>]

01:26:35 ◼   ► hardware I can tell you that it should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5195">TS</a>]

01:26:36 ◼   ► be feasible to brute-force crack them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5196">TS</a>]

01:26:39 ◼   ► but I don't know because this is a long [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5199">TS</a>]

01:26:41 ◼   ► time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5201">TS</a>]

01:26:42 ◼   ► I don't know of any actual application [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5202">TS</a>]

01:26:44 ◼   ► that understands enough about the DRM to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5204">TS</a>]

01:26:47 ◼   ► actually brute force it but I believe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5207">TS</a>]

01:26:48 ◼   ► that you could in reasonable amount of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5208">TS</a>]

01:26:50 ◼   ► time literally brute force crack it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5210">TS</a>]

01:26:51 ◼   ► much easier if you just know your your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5211">TS</a>]

01:26:52 ◼   ► credit card number the palm eBook format [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5212">TS</a>]

01:26:55 ◼   ► was actually very simple so if you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5215">TS</a>]

01:26:57 ◼   ► get the data out you can easily convert [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5217">TS</a>]

01:26:59 ◼   ► it to ePub or some other more modern [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5219">TS</a>]

01:27:01 ◼   ► format I know that doesn't help too much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5221">TS</a>]

01:27:03 ◼   ► I'm sure I myself have some purchased [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5223">TS</a>]

01:27:07 ◼   ► palm digital media books and peanut [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5227">TS</a>]

01:27:09 ◼   ► press ebooks that I can no longer read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5229">TS</a>]

01:27:11 ◼   ► but in most cases I also have those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5231">TS</a>]

01:27:15 ◼   ► books in epub from a different source [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5235">TS</a>]

01:27:16 ◼   ► and also in paper sitting to the right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5236">TS</a>]

01:27:19 ◼   ► than me right here so if you're really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5239">TS</a>]

01:27:20 ◼   ► worried about it buy the paper copy and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5240">TS</a>]

01:27:22 ◼   ► don't keep them in the basement that'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5242">TS</a>]

01:27:24 ◼   ► flood because you'll lose your paper [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5244">TS</a>]

01:27:25 ◼   ► books that way nothing you'd know thanks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5245">TS</a>]

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01:27:38 ◼   ► is over they didn't even need to begin [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5258">TS</a>]

01:27:41 ◼   ► because it was accidental accidental [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5261">TS</a>]

01:27:49 ◼   ► research Marco and Casey wouldn't let [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5269">TS</a>]

01:27:52 ◼   ► him [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5272">TS</a>]

01:27:52 ◼   ► because it was accidentally was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5272">TS</a>]

01:27:56 ◼   ► accidental you can find a s ey L is s so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5276">TS</a>]

01:28:12 ◼   ► that's K sealless ma accion AR m auntie [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5292">TS</a>]

01:28:17 ◼   ► Marco Arment know what made me think of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5297">TS</a>]

01:28:40 ◼   ► this to be honest but obviously I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5320">TS</a>]

01:28:42 ◼   ► been going back and forth about you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5322">TS</a>]

01:28:44 ◼   ► if I'm going to buy a car which I'm not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5324">TS</a>]

01:28:46 ◼   ► convinced I am actually what should I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5326">TS</a>]

01:28:47 ◼   ► buy should I get a Jeep Wrangler should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5327">TS</a>]

01:28:49 ◼   ► I get it go go far should I get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5329">TS</a>]

01:28:51 ◼   ► something else entirely a new BMW etc [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5331">TS</a>]

01:28:53 ◼   ► and it occurred to me that I think to me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5333">TS</a>]

01:28:57 ◼   ► or to some degree I am as well but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5337">TS</a>]

01:28:59 ◼   ► particularly you to have self pigeonhole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5339">TS</a>]

01:29:02 ◼   ► to have pigeon-holed yourselves and to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5342">TS</a>]

01:29:04 ◼   ► specific you know kinds of cars Marco [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5344">TS</a>]

01:29:06 ◼   ► you've basically said that until [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5346">TS</a>]

01:29:07 ◼   ► something dramatic changes you're gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5347">TS</a>]

01:29:09 ◼   ► be a Tesla owner until the end of time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5349">TS</a>]

01:29:11 ◼   ► John you know unless something dramatic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5351">TS</a>]

01:29:14 ◼   ► changes like you know money raining from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5354">TS</a>]

01:29:16 ◼   ► the skies right over your house yo your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5356">TS</a>]

01:29:18 ◼   ► seemed to be an accord guy for at least [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5358">TS</a>]

01:29:20 ◼   ► the foreseeable future so I have for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5360">TS</a>]

01:29:23 ◼   ► each of you a question and I'll start [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5363">TS</a>]

01:29:26 ◼   ► with Marco you know if if you couldn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5366">TS</a>]

01:29:29 ◼   ► buy a Tesla and then I'll even broaden [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5369">TS</a>]

01:29:32 ◼   ► it to if you couldn't buy an electric [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5372">TS</a>]

01:29:35 ◼   ► car and and you've made a very plain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5375">TS</a>]

01:29:36 ◼   ► that that's what you prefer but if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5376">TS</a>]

01:29:38 ◼   ► couldn't buy an electric car just out of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5378">TS</a>]

01:29:40 ◼   ► curiosity what would you buy so I saw [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5380">TS</a>]

01:29:43 ◼   ► this in the notes earlier I've been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5383">TS</a>]

01:29:44 ◼   ► thinking about it this evening and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5384">TS</a>]

01:29:46 ◼   ► unfortunately I don't really know enough [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5386">TS</a>]

01:29:48 ◼   ► about like what cars are available these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5388">TS</a>]

01:29:50 ◼   ► days to have a great answer yeah what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5390">TS</a>]

01:29:53 ◼   ► has happened but I'll tell you you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5393">TS</a>]

01:29:54 ◼   ► very high on the list would be the new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5394">TS</a>]

01:29:56 ◼   ► m5 because you know even though it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5396">TS</a>]

01:29:59 ◼   ► doesn't have a transmission I would like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5399">TS</a>]

01:30:01 ◼   ► I really enjoy having a fast large sedan [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5401">TS</a>]

01:30:06 ◼   ► now there's lots of options within that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5406">TS</a>]

01:30:07 ◼   ► you know obviously you know and I should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5407">TS</a>]

01:30:10 ◼   ► probably list in this list something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5410">TS</a>]

01:30:13 ◼   ► from like Mercedes or Porsche something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5413">TS</a>]

01:30:15 ◼   ► but I just don't know their lineups at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5415">TS</a>]

01:30:16 ◼   ► all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5416">TS</a>]

01:30:17 ◼   ► ow d might be somewhere on the list [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5417">TS</a>]

01:30:20 ◼   ► because honestly one thing I really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5420">TS</a>]

01:30:22 ◼   ► enjoy about the Tesla that I didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5422">TS</a>]

01:30:23 ◼   ► expect to enjoy as much as I do is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5423">TS</a>]

01:30:25 ◼   ► having the nice big hatchback trunk and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5425">TS</a>]

01:30:28 ◼   ► so I know like the Audi a7 is kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5428">TS</a>]

01:30:32 ◼   ► similar in like size and and trunk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5432">TS</a>]

01:30:34 ◼   ► nature and also hideous yes it's pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5434">TS</a>]

01:30:37 ◼   ► bad looking so yeah oh you're so I would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5437">TS</a>]

01:30:43 ◼   ► probably I would probably at least give [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5443">TS</a>]

01:30:44 ◼   ► that like a look just to see if I could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5444">TS</a>]

01:30:46 ◼   ► tolerate it because I do I do like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5446">TS</a>]

01:30:47 ◼   ► having a large facet and that is also a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5447">TS</a>]

01:30:49 ◼   ► hatchback without being a wagon or an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5449">TS</a>]

01:30:51 ◼   ► SUV or a crossover so so that's great so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5451">TS</a>]

01:30:55 ◼   ► yeah probably on the list would be you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5455">TS</a>]

01:30:56 ◼   ► know maybe look at the a7 maybe you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5456">TS</a>]

01:30:59 ◼   ► maybe look at the new m5 I would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5459">TS</a>]

01:31:00 ◼   ► probably look at you know whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5460">TS</a>]

01:31:02 ◼   ► mercedes offered in the same thing I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5462">TS</a>]

01:31:05 ◼   ► also might just consider a regular 5 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5465">TS</a>]

01:31:06 ◼   ► series like a 550 or even a whatever the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5466">TS</a>]

01:31:08 ◼   ► 540 is these days I might look at those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5468">TS</a>]

01:31:11 ◼   ► because you know the the m5 was it was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5471">TS</a>]

01:31:15 ◼   ► fun time in my life but I have now grown [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5475">TS</a>]

01:31:19 ◼   ► to appreciate the value of a quiet car [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5479">TS</a>]

01:31:23 ◼   ► I like having a quiet car that is also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5483">TS</a>]

01:31:25 ◼   ► fast I feel like I don't need to shout [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5485">TS</a>]

01:31:28 ◼   ► to the world how fast my car is with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5488">TS</a>]

01:31:31 ◼   ► noise but ultimately when I Drive other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5491">TS</a>]

01:31:36 ◼   ► cars now like I so I went on a trip [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5496">TS</a>]

01:31:39 ◼   ► which is why were a couple days late and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5499">TS</a>]

01:31:41 ◼   ► on the trip I rented a Nissan Maxima and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5501">TS</a>]

01:31:43 ◼   ► it was a perfectly nice car it had lots [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5503">TS</a>]

01:31:46 ◼   ► of great features you know lots of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5506">TS</a>]

01:31:47 ◼   ► nice little luxuries inside I'm very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5507">TS</a>]

01:31:48 ◼   ► happy I rented it we were somewhere very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5508">TS</a>]

01:31:50 ◼   ► cold and I was having the heated seats [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5510">TS</a>]

01:31:51 ◼   ► but like it just feels like going so far [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5511">TS</a>]

01:31:55 ◼   ► backwards to both have a gas car and to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5515">TS</a>]

01:31:59 ◼   ► have some like little entertainment [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5519">TS</a>]

01:32:01 ◼   ► system on like a six inch screen with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5521">TS</a>]

01:32:03 ◼   ► like you know running basically DOS feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5523">TS</a>]

01:32:07 ◼   ► to me and when I occasionally have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5527">TS</a>]

01:32:09 ◼   ► drive Tiff's car which is a modern BMW [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5529">TS</a>]

01:32:11 ◼   ► 3-series [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5531">TS</a>]

01:32:12 ◼   ► it doesn't feel modern to me anymore [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5532">TS</a>]

01:32:14 ◼   ► like it feels old like using I Drive you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5534">TS</a>]

01:32:17 ◼   ► know everything about a gas car [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5537">TS</a>]

01:32:19 ◼   ► like you know starting it up putting it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5539">TS</a>]

01:32:20 ◼   ► in gear and haven't remember like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5540">TS</a>]

01:32:22 ◼   ► actually like turn it off and lock it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5542">TS</a>]

01:32:24 ◼   ► like an animal yeah like it's it it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5544">TS</a>]

01:32:28 ◼   ► doesn't it just doesn't feel great to me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5548">TS</a>]

01:32:30 ◼   ► so I think if I had to get a gas car [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5550">TS</a>]

01:32:33 ◼   ► again I might actually go lower end than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5553">TS</a>]

01:32:38 ◼   ► like an m5 or something because I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5558">TS</a>]

01:32:41 ◼   ► get the enjoyment out of that anymore [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5561">TS</a>]

01:32:43 ◼   ► that I used to like it's almost it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5563">TS</a>]

01:32:47 ◼   ► it's like well this is I was gonna say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5567">TS</a>]

01:32:49 ◼   ► it's like you know getting back with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5569">TS</a>]

01:32:51 ◼   ► your high school girlfriend but I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5571">TS</a>]

01:32:53 ◼   ► really have any basis on which to say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5573">TS</a>]

01:32:54 ◼   ► that because I never really had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5574">TS</a>]

01:32:56 ◼   ► girlfriends in high school because I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5576">TS</a>]

01:32:57 ◼   ► just terrible at everything so but like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5577">TS</a>]

01:33:00 ◼   ► it's like I've moved past that in my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5580">TS</a>]

01:33:02 ◼   ► life now like I I had a great time with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5582">TS</a>]

01:33:04 ◼   ► loud fast cars but now I'm perfectly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5584">TS</a>]

01:33:07 ◼   ► happy with quiet boring more comfortable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5587">TS</a>]

01:33:10 ◼   ► cars that also happen to be fast so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5590">TS</a>]

01:33:13 ◼   ► would probably just get something fast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5593">TS</a>]

01:33:16 ◼   ► but not too ridiculous that's why I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5596">TS</a>]

01:33:18 ◼   ► thinking maybe like a 550 or something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5598">TS</a>]

01:33:20 ◼   ► like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5600">TS</a>]

01:33:20 ◼   ► mmm sure enough I I want to hate the new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5600">TS</a>]

01:33:25 ◼   ► m5 because it does use the ZF 8-speed it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5605">TS</a>]

01:33:29 ◼   ► from not mistaken which is very good but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5609">TS</a>]

01:33:31 ◼   ► I I can't believe the m5 can't be had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5611">TS</a>]

01:33:34 ◼   ► with a stick anymore but oh my word all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5614">TS</a>]

01:33:36 ◼   ► the initial reviews of the new m5 zero [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5616">TS</a>]

01:33:41 ◼   ► to 60 in like between 2.8 and three [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5621">TS</a>]

01:33:43 ◼   ► point two seconds depending on who you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5623">TS</a>]

01:33:44 ◼   ► ask like it's a ninety million pound [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5624">TS</a>]

01:33:48 ◼   ► full-size sedan going to 60 in three [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5628">TS</a>]

01:33:51 ◼   ► seconds like I I probably have mentioned [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5631">TS</a>]

01:33:53 ◼   ► this on the show 44 times but when I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5633">TS</a>]

01:33:55 ◼   ► a kid and really getting into cars I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5635">TS</a>]

01:33:57 ◼   ► remember that like having a 0-60 time in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5637">TS</a>]

01:34:00 ◼   ► the four second range was like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5640">TS</a>]

01:34:02 ◼   ► Lamborghini and Ferrari territory like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5642">TS</a>]

01:34:04 ◼   ► nobody could get to 60 in four seconds [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5644">TS</a>]

01:34:06 ◼   ► and here it is this m5 will do it in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5646">TS</a>]

01:34:09 ◼   ► maybe two worst case low threes like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5649">TS</a>]

01:34:12 ◼   ► yeah god it's just bananas I'll tell you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5652">TS</a>]

01:34:15 ◼   ► what like you know maybe maybe one other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5655">TS</a>]

01:34:17 ◼   ► direction that I might want to go is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5657">TS</a>]

01:34:18 ◼   ► like you know if I can't get my nice big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5658">TS</a>]

01:34:20 ◼   ► comfort boat from space like maybe if if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5660">TS</a>]

01:34:25 ◼   ► Tiff's car could become the family car [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5665">TS</a>]

01:34:26 ◼   ► that could hold a lot and be big then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5666">TS</a>]

01:34:29 ◼   ► then maybe I would I would do something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5669">TS</a>]

01:34:31 ◼   ► that electric currently is not very good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5671">TS</a>]

01:34:33 ◼   ► something small and light and fast and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5673">TS</a>]

01:34:35 ◼   ► fun so you know maybe something like uh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5675">TS</a>]

01:34:37 ◼   ► nem - or like a caiman or you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5677">TS</a>]

01:34:40 ◼   ► something like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5680">TS</a>]

01:34:41 ◼   ► like something that electric cars really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5681">TS</a>]

01:34:43 ◼   ► can't be very well yet that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5683">TS</a>]

01:34:46 ◼   ► interesting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5686">TS</a>]

01:34:47 ◼   ► do you miss the the 1-series them ever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5687">TS</a>]

01:34:50 ◼   ► occasionally like but but not not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5690">TS</a>]

01:34:53 ◼   ► significantly like I I would love to saw [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5693">TS</a>]

01:34:56 ◼   ► at some point drive the new m2 or even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5696">TS</a>]

01:34:58 ◼   ► the 235 like that like the you know the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5698">TS</a>]

01:35:00 ◼   ► m235i would love to drive either of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5700">TS</a>]

01:35:03 ◼   ► those just because I they do by all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5703">TS</a>]

01:35:05 ◼   ► reviews and accounts they do sound like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5705">TS</a>]

01:35:07 ◼   ► they're pretty fun little cars I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5707">TS</a>]

01:35:10 ◼   ► that would be fun to drive those and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5710">TS</a>]

01:35:12 ◼   ► to you know to consider those if I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5712">TS</a>]

01:35:14 ◼   ► couldn't have my big comfort boat but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5714">TS</a>]

01:35:16 ◼   ► but ultimately like I I've gotten [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5716">TS</a>]

01:35:19 ◼   ► slightly older and a lot more boring and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5719">TS</a>]

01:35:21 ◼   ► I kind of just like my fast comfort boat [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5721">TS</a>]

01:35:23 ◼   ► now so it's it's hard for me to really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5723">TS</a>]

01:35:25 ◼   ► give this question an honest answer or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5725">TS</a>]

01:35:28 ◼   ► honest consideration because I just my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5728">TS</a>]

01:35:30 ◼   ► head's not in that space anymore yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5730">TS</a>]

01:35:33 ◼   ► that's fair I I drove an m235i which is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5733">TS</a>]

01:35:36 ◼   ► now an m240 I and it was it was really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5736">TS</a>]

01:35:40 ◼   ► great like I wouldn't say that there was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5740">TS</a>]

01:35:42 ◼   ► anything tremendously remarkable about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5742">TS</a>]

01:35:46 ◼   ► it it was just a fun small you know a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5746">TS</a>]

01:35:50 ◼   ► nimble car which there's some to be said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5750">TS</a>]

01:35:53 ◼   ► for that right you know it was just it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5753">TS</a>]

01:35:55 ◼   ► was really nice in that regard and and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5755">TS</a>]

01:35:57 ◼   ► had a lot of fun with it alright so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5757">TS</a>]

01:36:00 ◼   ► moving on to well John you have any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5760">TS</a>]

01:36:02 ◼   ► comments on Marcos choices not to say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5762">TS</a>]

01:36:05 ◼   ► that this was really designed to create [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5765">TS</a>]

01:36:06 ◼   ► an argument but but far be it for me to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5766">TS</a>]

01:36:08 ◼   ► not give you a chance to respond any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5768">TS</a>]

01:36:09 ◼   ► thoughts I was gonna start by telling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5769">TS</a>]

01:36:12 ◼   ► Marco dieter but anyway okay my answer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5772">TS</a>]

01:36:14 ◼   ► so the best direct replacement that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5774">TS</a>]

01:36:17 ◼   ► non electric direct replacement for his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5777">TS</a>]

01:36:18 ◼   ► Tesla is the Panamera has a hatchback [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5778">TS</a>]

01:36:21 ◼   ► the new version of Samus ugly is the old [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5781">TS</a>]

01:36:24 ◼   ► one it's really fast and fun to drive it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5784">TS</a>]

01:36:26 ◼   ► seats four which should be adequate for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5786">TS</a>]

01:36:28 ◼   ► his needs and yeah I think you would I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5788">TS</a>]

01:36:31 ◼   ► think he would end up there because I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5791">TS</a>]

01:36:32 ◼   ► think it is more exciting than the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5792">TS</a>]

01:36:35 ◼   ► five series and you know shape wise like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5795">TS</a>]

01:36:38 ◼   ► it practically looks like a Model S at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5798">TS</a>]

01:36:40 ◼   ► this point so I think we have a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5800">TS</a>]

01:36:42 ◼   ► fun with it there's still not good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5802">TS</a>]

01:36:43 ◼   ► looking you gotta see it in person it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5803">TS</a>]

01:36:45 ◼   ► not it III think they actually are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5805">TS</a>]

01:36:47 ◼   ► good-looking III didn't the old one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5807">TS</a>]

01:36:49 ◼   ► obviously had the weird hunchback the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5809">TS</a>]

01:36:51 ◼   ► look it wasn't nice this is much more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5811">TS</a>]

01:36:53 ◼   ► nicely proportionate when you see it in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5813">TS</a>]

01:36:55 ◼   ► person like the Model S which I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5815">TS</a>]

01:36:57 ◼   ► looks kind of dowdy in pictures when you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5817">TS</a>]

01:36:58 ◼   ► see it in person you realize it is lower [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5818">TS</a>]

01:36:59 ◼   ► and wider than you thought and it has a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5819">TS</a>]

01:37:01 ◼   ► nice presence in person I know because I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5821">TS</a>]

01:37:02 ◼   ► see them all over where I live yeah I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5822">TS</a>]

01:37:05 ◼   ► mean looking at the Islamic than shown [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5825">TS</a>]

01:37:06 ◼   ► their website everything you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5826">TS</a>]

01:37:08 ◼   ► because I really have enjoyed a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5828">TS</a>]

01:37:10 ◼   ► hatchback [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5830">TS</a>]

01:37:11 ◼   ► I would I would give this I would give [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5831">TS</a>]

01:37:13 ◼   ► this a look but I wouldn't feel good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5833">TS</a>]

01:37:15 ◼   ► about it and and everyone said like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5835">TS</a>]

01:37:16 ◼   ► this behaves the is the least sedan like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5836">TS</a>]

01:37:20 ◼   ► of all of the big sedans like everyone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5840">TS</a>]

01:37:22 ◼   ► says no I'm but I mean like in terms of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5842">TS</a>]

01:37:26 ◼   ► not feeling heavy and like a boat right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5846">TS</a>]

01:37:29 ◼   ► that it feels nimble and you know it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5849">TS</a>]

01:37:31 ◼   ► feels like a slightly bigger Cayman it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5851">TS</a>]

01:37:33 ◼   ► doesn't feel like a souped up you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5853">TS</a>]

01:37:36 ◼   ► Cadillac or whatever yeah they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5856">TS</a>]

01:37:38 ◼   ► they're making an electric too by the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5858">TS</a>]

01:37:40 ◼   ► way so Marco actually might be in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5860">TS</a>]

01:37:41 ◼   ► market eventually when when their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5861">TS</a>]

01:37:43 ◼   ► elections come out cuz they will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5863">TS</a>]

01:37:44 ◼   ► actually have a direct electric [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5864">TS</a>]

01:37:45 ◼   ► competitor to Tesla and that's another [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5865">TS</a>]

01:37:47 ◼   ► reason Marco will be in the Porsche [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5867">TS</a>]

01:37:49 ◼   ► dealership well and like like their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5869">TS</a>]

01:37:50 ◼   ► their concept like the is the mission EE [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5870">TS</a>]

01:37:52 ◼   ► they're comfortable a year or two ago [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5872">TS</a>]

01:37:54 ◼   ► that did look really cool but it's just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5874">TS</a>]

01:37:56 ◼   ► a concept and you know it's who knows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5876">TS</a>]

01:37:58 ◼   ► what will actually ship and when it does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5878">TS</a>]

01:38:00 ◼   ► ship there's there's a big question of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5880">TS</a>]

01:38:02 ◼   ► charging stations like Tesla has a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5882">TS</a>]

01:38:04 ◼   ► of superchargers and they keep adding [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5884">TS</a>]

01:38:06 ◼   ► more at a pretty remarkable rate you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5886">TS</a>]

01:38:09 ◼   ► know I know there's like the the you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5889">TS</a>]

01:38:11 ◼   ► know standard based networks that are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5891">TS</a>]

01:38:13 ◼   ► also out there but but Tesla has a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5893">TS</a>]

01:38:16 ◼   ► pretty big head start and they're in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5896">TS</a>]

01:38:18 ◼   ► lot of places and there are places that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5898">TS</a>]

01:38:20 ◼   ► I go like they now cover upstate pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5900">TS</a>]

01:38:23 ◼   ► well like what that used to they used to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5903">TS</a>]

01:38:24 ◼   ► have very little coverage now they have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5904">TS</a>]

01:38:25 ◼   ► great coverage like they're they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5905">TS</a>]

01:38:27 ◼   ► getting all over the place and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5907">TS</a>]

01:38:29 ◼   ► anybody who comes in with with a you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5909">TS</a>]

01:38:32 ◼   ► know major long-distance electric car [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5912">TS</a>]

01:38:35 ◼   ► competitor is going to have a pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5915">TS</a>]

01:38:37 ◼   ► serious fight ahead of them to get past [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5917">TS</a>]

01:38:38 ◼   ► the supercharger network well you should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5918">TS</a>]

01:38:40 ◼   ► worried about though is when the hell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5920">TS</a>]

01:38:42 ◼   ► they can replace the Model S because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5922">TS</a>]

01:38:44 ◼   ► this is always comes out in comparison [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5924">TS</a>]

01:38:47 ◼   ► test where like one model that is one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5927">TS</a>]

01:38:49 ◼   ► the comparison test for the five years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5929">TS</a>]

01:38:51 ◼   ► running is at the end of its its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5931">TS</a>]

01:38:52 ◼   ► generations lifetime and it's about to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5932">TS</a>]

01:38:54 ◼   ► be redesigned and it comes up against [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5934">TS</a>]

01:38:55 ◼   ► the newly redesigned competitor and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5935">TS</a>]

01:38:57 ◼   ► loses for the first time and so yeah the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5937">TS</a>]

01:39:00 ◼   ► Model S is great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5940">TS</a>]

01:39:01 ◼   ► but you can't just keep the same car [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5941">TS</a>]

01:39:03 ◼   ► with minor interior and exterior tweaks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5943">TS</a>]

01:39:05 ◼   ► for 15 years you have to you have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5945">TS</a>]

01:39:09 ◼   ► come up with the next version and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5949">TS</a>]

01:39:10 ◼   ► next version has to be better so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5950">TS</a>]

01:39:12 ◼   ► presumably everybody who's targeting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5952">TS</a>]

01:39:13 ◼   ► Tesla they've got the Model S in their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5953">TS</a>]

01:39:15 ◼   ► sights they know that what their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5955">TS</a>]

01:39:16 ◼   ► benchmark they have to beat and they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5956">TS</a>]

01:39:18 ◼   ► gonna end up beating it you know setting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5958">TS</a>]

01:39:20 ◼   ► aside the the charger network things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5960">TS</a>]

01:39:21 ◼   ► Tesla but you would fully expect [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5961">TS</a>]

01:39:24 ◼   ► okay well Tesla's gonna be the two with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5964">TS</a>]

01:39:25 ◼   ► the next Model S and mostly how that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5965">TS</a>]

01:39:27 ◼   ► goes I am very very curious to see what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5967">TS</a>]

01:39:31 ◼   ► the heck the next Model S is because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5971">TS</a>]

01:39:33 ◼   ► they've done a lot of things with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5973">TS</a>]

01:39:35 ◼   ► Model 3 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5975">TS</a>]

01:39:35 ◼   ► that sound really good to me and a few [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5975">TS</a>]

01:39:38 ◼   ► things that sound really bad to me what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5978">TS</a>]

01:39:41 ◼   ► are they gonna carry over like the like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5981">TS</a>]

01:39:43 ◼   ► the single screen thing nope not for me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5983">TS</a>]

01:39:46 ◼   ► that does not sound good the elimination [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5986">TS</a>]

01:39:48 ◼   ► of the of the auto steer cruise control [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5988">TS</a>]

01:39:51 ◼   ► stock nope don't like that but things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5991">TS</a>]

01:39:54 ◼   ► like you know having the one giant vent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5994">TS</a>]

01:39:56 ◼   ► across the top and having the way faster [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5996">TS</a>]

01:39:58 ◼   ► more responsive touchscreen that sounds [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5998">TS</a>]

01:40:00 ◼   ► great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6000">TS</a>]

01:40:00 ◼   ► so yeah there's things I like from model [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6000">TS</a>]

01:40:03 ◼   ► 3 we'll see what they actually bring [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6003">TS</a>]

01:40:04 ◼   ► over right I really hope they don't ruin [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6004">TS</a>]

01:40:06 ◼   ► it the seat it seems like every Tesla [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6006">TS</a>]

01:40:09 ◼   ► Model they do like almost everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6009">TS</a>]

01:40:12 ◼   ► right and one thing that's just like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6012">TS</a>]

01:40:15 ◼   ► dumb risk they took that didn't pay off [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6015">TS</a>]

01:40:18 ◼   ► that you know ends up being annoying or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6018">TS</a>]

01:40:20 ◼   ► failure prone so like with the Model S [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6020">TS</a>]

01:40:21 ◼   ► it was the stupid pop-out door handles [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6021">TS</a>]

01:40:23 ◼   ► that fail constantly with the exit was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6023">TS</a>]

01:40:25 ◼   ► the the weird gull wing doors that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6025">TS</a>]

01:40:27 ◼   ► know caused them to have lots of delays [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6027">TS</a>]

01:40:29 ◼   ► and issues Falcon wings please whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6029">TS</a>]

01:40:31 ◼   ► yeah and then with the model three I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6031">TS</a>]

01:40:32 ◼   ► think they're weird risk they took was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6032">TS</a>]

01:40:34 ◼   ► having just that one screen and having [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6034">TS</a>]

01:40:35 ◼   ► way too many functions rely on that one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6035">TS</a>]

01:40:39 ◼   ► screens and like you know some menu [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6039">TS</a>]

01:40:40 ◼   ► there so you know who knows what they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6040">TS</a>]

01:40:42 ◼   ► gonna ruin with the next Model S I just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6042">TS</a>]

01:40:44 ◼   ► hope it's something I can tolerate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6044">TS</a>]

01:40:45 ◼   ► so John's challenged similar if you had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6045">TS</a>]

01:40:50 ◼   ► to buy something that wasn't an accord [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6050">TS</a>]

01:40:52 ◼   ► what would you buy mazda6 because it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6052">TS</a>]

01:40:55 ◼   ► about the same size it gets good reviews [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6055">TS</a>]

01:40:57 ◼   ► comes with a stick-shift okay and I had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6057">TS</a>]

01:41:00 ◼   ► its I didn't know specifically what you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6060">TS</a>]

01:41:02 ◼   ► were going to say but I had a feeling it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6062">TS</a>]

01:41:03 ◼   ► would be something along those lines so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6063">TS</a>]

01:41:05 ◼   ► now let's assume for the sake of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6065">TS</a>]

01:41:07 ◼   ► conversation that a two pedal car is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6067">TS</a>]

01:41:10 ◼   ► okay just for the sake of conversation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6070">TS</a>]

01:41:12 ◼   ► I'm not saying this is what you think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6072">TS</a>]

01:41:13 ◼   ► would that change your too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6073">TS</a>]

01:41:15 ◼   ► would you choose something different no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6075">TS</a>]

01:41:17 ◼   ► I've if it's okay no I would never pick [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6077">TS</a>]

01:41:19 ◼   ► okay what porch was not allowed I'm not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6079">TS</a>]

01:41:23 ◼   ► allowed to have a stick sure let's go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6083">TS</a>]

01:41:24 ◼   ► with that let's say you're not allowed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6084">TS</a>]

01:41:25 ◼   ► to have a stick shift I think I might [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6085">TS</a>]

01:41:31 ◼   ► find myself in the one Accord that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6091">TS</a>]

01:41:33 ◼   ► recently learned comes with an automatic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6093">TS</a>]

01:41:35 ◼   ► they not the CVT once but the mom with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6095">TS</a>]

01:41:37 ◼   ► the automatic interesting okay wait I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6097">TS</a>]

01:41:39 ◼   ► see you later picking a course let's say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6099">TS</a>]

01:41:43 ◼   ► no actually I did not specify I didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6103">TS</a>]

01:41:45 ◼   ► specify but yeah good point let's go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6105">TS</a>]

01:41:47 ◼   ► with no because let's make this more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6107">TS</a>]

01:41:49 ◼   ► interesting get you out of your comfort [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6109">TS</a>]

01:41:50 ◼   ► zone no no because like now we start [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6110">TS</a>]

01:41:53 ◼   ► getting to spending more money than I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6113">TS</a>]

01:41:55 ◼   ► want to spend on a car well that's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6115">TS</a>]

01:41:57 ◼   ► next question we're not there yet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6117">TS</a>]

01:41:59 ◼   ► what's the cheapest non disgusting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6119">TS</a>]

01:42:03 ◼   ► automatic transmission car that it can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6123">TS</a>]

01:42:05 ◼   ► fit my family that I would buy I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6125">TS</a>]

01:42:10 ◼   ► know does this the Mazda 6 come with an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6130">TS</a>]

01:42:12 ◼   ► auto sure get that yeah I mean that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6132">TS</a>]

01:42:15 ◼   ► what Erin had she had a no I know I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6135">TS</a>]

01:42:19 ◼   ► just saying like she had a 2007 mazda 6 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6139">TS</a>]

01:42:21 ◼   ► Grand Touring it had darn near every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6141">TS</a>]

01:42:23 ◼   ► option on it it was an automatic and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6143">TS</a>]

01:42:25 ◼   ► was a phenomenal car it was a really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6145">TS</a>]

01:42:26 ◼   ► really really great yeah I think I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6146">TS</a>]

01:42:28 ◼   ► I'll get the Mazda 6 with automatic all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6148">TS</a>]

01:42:31 ◼   ► right so now some you know African [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6151">TS</a>]

01:42:33 ◼   ► Prince has died and bequeath to you all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6153">TS</a>]

01:42:36 ◼   ► of his money but it's actually legit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6156">TS</a>]

01:42:38 ◼   ► this time you have you know ten million [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6158">TS</a>]

01:42:41 ◼   ► dollars of with which you can spend on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6161">TS</a>]

01:42:43 ◼   ► this car what would you buy ten million [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6163">TS</a>]

01:42:46 ◼   ► dollars I mean you have to use all ten [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6166">TS</a>]

01:42:49 ◼   ► that's been part of that on the house to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6169">TS</a>]

01:42:51 ◼   ► house the car don't worry about your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6171">TS</a>]

01:42:55 ◼   ► acorn so much I'm worried about it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6175">TS</a>]

01:42:58 ◼   ► ruined by my kids scrape and their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6178">TS</a>]

01:43:00 ◼   ► bicycle handles across that as I shown [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6180">TS</a>]

01:43:01 ◼   ► into my little garage don't worry about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6181">TS</a>]

01:43:03 ◼   ► the acorns just just worry about the car [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6183">TS</a>]

01:43:05 ◼   ► let's just presume that everything else [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6185">TS</a>]

01:43:07 ◼   ► is - and you said I can't no Ferraris [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6187">TS</a>]

01:43:10 ◼   ► you're cheating you're looking at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6190">TS</a>]

01:43:12 ◼   ► show notes so show notes it reads as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6192">TS</a>]

01:43:15 ◼   ► follows John has to buy one non Accord [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6195">TS</a>]

01:43:17 ◼   ► what would he buy next bullet what if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6197">TS</a>]

01:43:19 ◼   ► two pedals were okay [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6199">TS</a>]

01:43:20 ◼   ► next bullet okay this is in the show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6200">TS</a>]

01:43:22 ◼   ► notes okay fine now money is no object [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6202">TS</a>]

01:43:23 ◼   ► and it has to be two pedals no Ferraris [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6203">TS</a>]

01:43:26 ◼   ► but let's start with the Ferraris but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6206">TS</a>]

01:43:28 ◼   ► even though we all know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6208">TS</a>]

01:43:29 ◼   ► your answer to whatever the the v12 is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6209">TS</a>]

01:43:31 ◼   ► yeah I was looking at you know I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6211">TS</a>]

01:43:34 ◼   ► looking at the 48 again I don't know the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6214">TS</a>]

01:43:35 ◼   ► 48 just hasn't grown on me as much as I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6215">TS</a>]

01:43:37 ◼   ► thought it would so I'm wondering if I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6217">TS</a>]

01:43:39 ◼   ► would actually get a 458 or even a 430 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6219">TS</a>]

01:43:42 ◼   ► because I do like both of those cars [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6222">TS</a>]

01:43:44 ◼   ► better but then I look at the interiors [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6224">TS</a>]

01:43:46 ◼   ► they're all kind of weird so I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6226">TS</a>]

01:43:47 ◼   ► know but like practically speaking like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6227">TS</a>]

01:43:49 ◼   ► I wouldn't if you only let me have one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6229">TS</a>]

01:43:51 ◼   ► car I wouldn't get any of those because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6231">TS</a>]

01:43:52 ◼   ► I can't I can't like drive that to work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6232">TS</a>]

01:43:54 ◼   ► every day and carry your kids kids [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6234">TS</a>]

01:43:56 ◼   ► around then didn't go on vacations is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6236">TS</a>]

01:43:58 ◼   ► just not practical it has to be like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6238">TS</a>]

01:43:59 ◼   ► your second or third or fourth car right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6239">TS</a>]

01:44:01 ◼   ► so I'm I went back into four-door sedans [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6241">TS</a>]

01:44:04 ◼   ► then I'm gonna especially if I'm allowed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6244">TS</a>]

01:44:09 ◼   ► to get a new house no just don't again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6249">TS</a>]

01:44:12 ◼   ► don't worry about the house they give [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6252">TS</a>]

01:44:13 ◼   ► the acorns have gone away your kids will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6253">TS</a>]

01:44:15 ◼   ► not touch the car but it was only one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6255">TS</a>]

01:44:18 ◼   ► car I think I would end up with like an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6258">TS</a>]

01:44:21 ◼   ► AMG E Series Mercedes because the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6261">TS</a>]

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01:44:26 ◼   ► it's just I think it's just too big to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6266">TS</a>]

01:44:29 ◼   ► be I think I would like these better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6269">TS</a>]

01:44:32 ◼   ► because these aren't that small these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6272">TS</a>]

01:44:33 ◼   ► days I feel like they're more or less [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6273">TS</a>]

01:44:35 ◼   ► accord size they're really fast but also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6275">TS</a>]

01:44:38 ◼   ► are comfortable and have lots of tech [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6278">TS</a>]

01:44:40 ◼   ► gadgets I'm not even sure if I'd we got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6280">TS</a>]

01:44:41 ◼   ► the AMG model frankly I'm actually end [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6281">TS</a>]

01:44:44 ◼   ► up with the non AMG model if I felt like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6284">TS</a>]

01:44:46 ◼   ► that was fast enough for the AMG one was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6286">TS</a>]

01:44:48 ◼   ► squishy but I really like these and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6288">TS</a>]

01:44:51 ◼   ► feel like they are more they're more to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6291">TS</a>]

01:44:54 ◼   ► my taste I think then then probably the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6294">TS</a>]

01:44:56 ◼   ► m5 that's that I haven't really seen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6296">TS</a>]

01:44:58 ◼   ► details about the new m5 so maybe they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6298">TS</a>]

01:45:00 ◼   ► were just a little and I did like Markos [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6300">TS</a>]

01:45:01 ◼   ► m5 but I just feel like all the all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6301">TS</a>]

01:45:04 ◼   ► the bad vibes that you've both given me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6304">TS</a>]

01:45:05 ◼   ► about BMWs and repair wheels and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6305">TS</a>]

01:45:07 ◼   ► everything go to the devil I don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6307">TS</a>]

01:45:10 ◼   ► and Mercedes I suppose but you would not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6310">TS</a>]

01:45:13 ◼   ► get a wagon you would get a sedan yeah I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6313">TS</a>]

01:45:15 ◼   ► get a sit down do you like wagons in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6315">TS</a>]

01:45:17 ◼   ► principle I do I just don't think I need [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6317">TS</a>]

01:45:20 ◼   ► one like we just have the two kids and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6320">TS</a>]

01:45:21 ◼   ► it's not like we're going camping [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6321">TS</a>]

01:45:22 ◼   ► you know I do like wagons I would I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6322">TS</a>]

01:45:24 ◼   ► would get a wagon over a minivan any day [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6324">TS</a>]

01:45:25 ◼   ► but I just don't feel like I need that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6325">TS</a>]

01:45:26 ◼   ► extra space up why would I get a wagon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6326">TS</a>]

01:45:28 ◼   ► when I could just get us a man since I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6328">TS</a>]

01:45:30 ◼   ► now a car journalist I mean I've been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6330">TS</a>]

01:45:35 ◼   ► considering wagons more and more with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6335">TS</a>]

01:45:36 ◼   ► each passing day and even though as an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6336">TS</a>]

01:45:38 ◼   ► American I'm supposed to hate wagons [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6338">TS</a>]

01:45:40 ◼   ► there's something to be said for a fast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6340">TS</a>]

01:45:42 ◼   ► that has no business being as fast as it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6342">TS</a>]

01:45:45 ◼   ► is so I'm configuring my Porsche [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6345">TS</a>]

01:45:47 ◼   ► Panamera excuse me it's Porsche sir [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6347">TS</a>]

01:45:50 ◼   ► don't pick the the $20,000 option that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6350">TS</a>]

01:45:53 ◼   ► gives you like a card key fob the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6353">TS</a>]

01:45:56 ◼   ► options that they give you are like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6356">TS</a>]

01:45:59 ◼   ► there's like first of all there's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6359">TS</a>]

01:46:00 ◼   ► 90 different options that's not an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6360">TS</a>]

01:46:02 ◼   ► exaggeration and the the it is ludicrous [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6362">TS</a>]

01:46:06 ◼   ► like I thought BMW was crazy with all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6366">TS</a>]

01:46:08 ◼   ► the little diamonds is the king of oh my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6368">TS</a>]

01:46:11 ◼   ► god so among other things I have the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6371">TS</a>]

01:46:12 ◼   ► option to add a six disc DVD changer or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6372">TS</a>]

01:46:17 ◼   ► nice five hundred and sixty dollars [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6377">TS</a>]

01:46:19 ◼   ► wow that's cheap I can add a USB port in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6379">TS</a>]

01:46:21 ◼   ► the rear for four hundred and twenty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6381">TS</a>]

01:46:24 ◼   ► dollars that's just the port I can add a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6384">TS</a>]

01:46:26 ◼   ► fire extinguisher I don't know where or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6386">TS</a>]

01:46:29 ◼   ► how for one hundred and eighty dollars [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6389">TS</a>]

01:46:33 ◼   ► like I've never seen this many options [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6393">TS</a>]

01:46:38 ◼   ► it's it's ridiculous I was watching a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6398">TS</a>]

01:46:42 ◼   ► demurrer video recently I think it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6402">TS</a>]

01:46:44 ◼   ► talking about the like the 918 or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6404">TS</a>]

01:46:46 ◼   ► something but what I think was it a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6406">TS</a>]

01:46:49 ◼   ► paint car option that was 65 grand there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6409">TS</a>]

01:46:51 ◼   ► was some there so it was like a cosmetic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6411">TS</a>]

01:46:54 ◼   ► option that it cost more than like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6414">TS</a>]

01:46:56 ◼   ► know most cars so I can get the the air [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6416">TS</a>]

01:47:00 ◼   ► vent slats painted for two thousand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6420">TS</a>]

01:47:04 ◼   ► three hundred thirty dollars so I do not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6424">TS</a>]

01:47:07 ◼   ► like the look of this interior at all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6427">TS</a>]

01:47:09 ◼   ► I bet the interior is is very very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6429">TS</a>]

01:47:12 ◼   ► highly configurable so it is very highly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6432">TS</a>]

01:47:14 ◼   ► configurable as long as you're willing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6434">TS</a>]

01:47:15 ◼   ► to spend two thousand dollars to paint [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6435">TS</a>]

01:47:17 ◼   ► your air slats yeah Porsche it seen it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6437">TS</a>]

01:47:19 ◼   ► seems like it if you want anything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6439">TS</a>]

01:47:22 ◼   ► that's not stock it costs a huge such a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6442">TS</a>]

01:47:25 ◼   ► huge amount of money that you're like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6445">TS</a>]

01:47:26 ◼   ► did they just buy the stock car and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6446">TS</a>]

01:47:28 ◼   ► take out the parts and burn them and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6448">TS</a>]

01:47:30 ◼   ► then put in new parts like why does it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6450">TS</a>]

01:47:31 ◼   ► cost so much money god there's so many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6451">TS</a>]

01:47:34 ◼   ► see like it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6454">TS</a>]

01:47:36 ◼   ► holy smokes like and yeah the good thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6456">TS</a>]

01:47:40 ◼   ► is like if yeah I think John's right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6460">TS</a>]

01:47:42 ◼   ► like it you know if you want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6462">TS</a>]

01:47:42 ◼   ► customize I mean they have they have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6462">TS</a>]

01:47:44 ◼   ► like 15 different wheels you can pick [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6464">TS</a>]

01:47:47 ◼   ► like there's there's so many options to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6467">TS</a>]

01:47:50 ◼   ► this you and a half of them I don't even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6470">TS</a>]

01:47:53 ◼   ► understand what they would do or why I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6473">TS</a>]

01:47:55 ◼   ► would want them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6475">TS</a>]

01:47:56 ◼   ► seat belts in chalk 616 dollars [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6476">TS</a>]

01:47:59 ◼   ► decorative valve stems decorative valve [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6479">TS</a>]

01:48:02 ◼   ► stems in black with colored Porsche [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6482">TS</a>]

01:48:04 ◼   ► crest $70 that's that might be the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6484">TS</a>]

01:48:07 ◼   ► cheapest thing on this entire list oh my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6487">TS</a>]

01:48:12 ◼   ► god it's amazing and this is starting at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6492">TS</a>]

01:48:14 ◼   ► 150,000 for the Porsche Panamera Turbo [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6494">TS</a>]

01:48:16 ◼   ► executive oh I didn't go to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6496">TS</a>]

01:48:18 ◼   ► executive I stopped at the 4s which my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6498">TS</a>]

01:48:21 ◼   ► configuration is 124,000 and I haven't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6501">TS</a>]

01:48:26 ◼   ► even gotten like you know like good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6506">TS</a>]

01:48:28 ◼   ► seats and everything I think there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6508">TS</a>]

01:48:30 ◼   ► like a game with the poor top is it you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6510">TS</a>]

01:48:32 ◼   ► just you want to get the one with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6512">TS</a>]

01:48:33 ◼   ► good engine right and then after that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6513">TS</a>]

01:48:36 ◼   ► you want to pick like two things that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6516">TS</a>]

01:48:39 ◼   ► are important to you everything else [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6519">TS</a>]

01:48:41 ◼   ► except stock I think the real answer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6521">TS</a>]

01:48:45 ◼   ► here is you want to buy these used [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6525">TS</a>]

01:48:47 ◼   ► because like you know used cars you tend [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6527">TS</a>]

01:48:49 ◼   ► to you tend to get a lot of the options [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6529">TS</a>]

01:48:51 ◼   ► basically for free it's like you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6531">TS</a>]

01:48:54 ◼   ► it's like you don't you know if you spec [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6534">TS</a>]

01:48:55 ◼   ► up a cart like though the use pricing is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6535">TS</a>]

01:48:57 ◼   ► based on not all the options is based on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6537">TS</a>]

01:48:59 ◼   ► like the engine trim level year and my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6539">TS</a>]

01:49:01 ◼   ► legs like that's a that's about it so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6541">TS</a>]

01:49:04 ◼   ► like the way to get any of these cars if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6544">TS</a>]

01:49:06 ◼   ► you want a lot of options is to guys [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6546">TS</a>]

01:49:08 ◼   ► wait for a used one to come up that has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6548">TS</a>]

01:49:10 ◼   ► a lot of options that someone else took [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6550">TS</a>]

01:49:11 ◼   ► a bath on and you get those pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6551">TS</a>]

01:49:14 ◼   ► nicely I think I mentioned there's about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6554">TS</a>]

01:49:16 ◼   ► like rolls-royce uh Mercedes last time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6556">TS</a>]

01:49:17 ◼   ► we talked about it but I'm just so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6557">TS</a>]

01:49:18 ◼   ► surprised that these companies stick to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6558">TS</a>]

01:49:20 ◼   ► this I mean I suppose there is some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6560">TS</a>]

01:49:21 ◼   ► attraction to the the high-end clientele [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6561">TS</a>]

01:49:24 ◼   ► if being able to customize everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6564">TS</a>]

01:49:25 ◼   ► especially like on Bentley enrolls and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6565">TS</a>]

01:49:27 ◼   ► stuff but as Marco is noted in is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6567">TS</a>]

01:49:30 ◼   ► salad power user you know diatribe the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6570">TS</a>]

01:49:36 ◼   ► paralysis of choice I would be terrified [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6576">TS</a>]

01:49:38 ◼   ► that I would be accidentally configuring [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6578">TS</a>]

01:49:40 ◼   ► the world's ugliest rolls-royce right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6580">TS</a>]

01:49:42 ◼   ► because you have you can choose [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6582">TS</a>]

01:49:43 ◼   ► everything every kind of every material [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6583">TS</a>]

01:49:45 ◼   ► every surface every color everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6585">TS</a>]

01:49:47 ◼   ► it's like don't don't trust me to design [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6587">TS</a>]

01:49:50 ◼   ► it especially if they have not-so-great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6590">TS</a>]

01:49:52 ◼   ► visualization it's like I paid through [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6592">TS</a>]

01:49:54 ◼   ► and 50 grand for this mentally and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6594">TS</a>]

01:49:56 ◼   ► looks like a clown car cuz I didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6596">TS</a>]

01:49:57 ◼   ► think about how this color leather would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6597">TS</a>]

01:50:00 ◼   ► look with this color stitching would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6600">TS</a>]

01:50:01 ◼   ► look with this material because I'm not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6601">TS</a>]

01:50:02 ◼   ► a car interior designer just give me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6602">TS</a>]

01:50:04 ◼   ► some presets like Marco wants for salads [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6604">TS</a>]

01:50:06 ◼   ► and then maybe I'll say let me give me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6606">TS</a>]

01:50:09 ◼   ► preset and then a little tweak one thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6609">TS</a>]

01:50:11 ◼   ► or something cuz I think I scare you I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6611">TS</a>]

01:50:13 ◼   ► mean I think it mostly nerves in my how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6613">TS</a>]

01:50:15 ◼   ► scary it would be to buy a car sight [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6615">TS</a>]

01:50:17 ◼   ► unseen like you've never seen a car with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6617">TS</a>]

01:50:19 ◼   ► this materials you've never sat down you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6619">TS</a>]

01:50:20 ◼   ► don't know what it's gonna look like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6620">TS</a>]

01:50:21 ◼   ► don't know how it's gonna feel and just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6621">TS</a>]

01:50:23 ◼   ► picking from a menu terrifying so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6623">TS</a>]

01:50:25 ◼   ► wonder which people have like other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6625">TS</a>]

01:50:27 ◼   ► people configure their cars for them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6627">TS</a>]

01:50:28 ◼   ► right or they just say oh I don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6628">TS</a>]

01:50:31 ◼   ► you just make it nice for me or like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6631">TS</a>]

01:50:33 ◼   ► hire car interior designers just like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6633">TS</a>]

01:50:35 ◼   ► you design you know hire them for your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6635">TS</a>]

01:50:37 ◼   ► house like poor people you know just go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6637">TS</a>]

01:50:40 ◼   ► to the Home Center and they pick out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6640">TS</a>]

01:50:41 ◼   ► materials for their floor and their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6641">TS</a>]

01:50:42 ◼   ► countertops um whatever and they cross [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6642">TS</a>]

01:50:44 ◼   ► their fingers and hope it looks okay the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6644">TS</a>]

01:50:45 ◼   ► rich people hire interior designer and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6645">TS</a>]

01:50:47 ◼   ► you know also cross their fingers I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6647">TS</a>]

01:50:50 ◼   ► suppose but pay gobs and gobs some money [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6650">TS</a>]

01:50:51 ◼   ► for them to come up with materials and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6651">TS</a>]

01:50:54 ◼   ► everything that look good together so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6654">TS</a>]

01:50:55 ◼   ► wonder if they do that for cars too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6655">TS</a>]

01:50:56 ◼   ► because it's it's a huge expense and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6656">TS</a>]

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