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263: Old Potato

 

00:00:00   meanwhile Adams upstairs right now [TS]

00:00:01   having nightmares about old potatoes all [TS]

00:00:06   right so as usual we should start with [TS]

00:00:08   some follow-up and I shouldn't be [TS]

00:00:11   excited about this one and only [TS]

00:00:13   follow-up item and I shouldn't be [TS]

00:00:16   excited because it's about boring big [TS]

00:00:18   business stuff but I'm actually kind of [TS]

00:00:20   excited about this because it's some [TS]

00:00:23   news about nomads so tell me about what [TS]

00:00:26   Nomad is what problem it's supposed to [TS]

00:00:27   solve and whether or not it solves it [TS]

00:00:29   last time we talked about this it was [TS]

00:00:31   like me complaining that I got a new [TS]

00:00:33   computer at work and my new computer was [TS]

00:00:35   on the Active Directory network and it [TS]

00:00:37   was a Mac and I was complaining about [TS]

00:00:39   how it seemed like being on the Active [TS]

00:00:42   Directory network was making lots of [TS]

00:00:45   things about my Mac worse and I was sad [TS]

00:00:47   about it and then and follow up on the [TS]

00:00:49   subsequent shows a lot of people send us [TS]

00:00:51   information about this thing called [TS]

00:00:52   Nomad they said hey you should try this [TS]

00:00:54   I think the story I was told by a couple [TS]

00:00:57   of people in feedback was like Apple's [TS]

00:00:59   Active Directory support is not great in [TS]

00:01:01   Mac OS and it never really has been and [TS]

00:01:04   there was like a consulting wing of a [TS]

00:01:07   ball that would like come to your [TS]

00:01:09   company and help you set up all your [TS]

00:01:11   Mac's for you for your big you know [TS]

00:01:13   enterprise or whatever and the [TS]

00:01:15   consulting company recognizing the [TS]

00:01:19   apples Active Directory stuff wasn't [TS]

00:01:23   that good but also recognizing that they [TS]

00:01:25   weren't in a position to make it better [TS]

00:01:28   came up with the system just like sort [TS]

00:01:33   of a series of like shell scripts and [TS]

00:01:35   other little programs and stuff that [TS]

00:01:36   would try to give you the effects of [TS]

00:01:38   Active Directory without actually being [TS]

00:01:40   Active Directory and that they would [TS]

00:01:42   pitch that to their clients and what my [TS]

00:01:45   recollection was that this is like a [TS]

00:01:46   this is an apple not not like just a [TS]

00:01:49   consultant but like actually part of [TS]

00:01:51   Apple going to help people and this part [TS]

00:01:54   of Apple because it wasn't empowered to [TS]

00:01:55   change Mac OS what was doing this other [TS]

00:01:58   thing and giving it to clients I don't [TS]

00:02:00   know if I got that part right but anyway [TS]

00:02:01   we will put the link in the show notes [TS]

00:02:02   they have a dot main new domain Nomad [TS]

00:02:05   had done menu which i think is not good [TS]

00:02:09   you can you can look at their website [TS]

00:02:11   and read about what it does that there's [TS]

00:02:14   a blog post from another company that it [TS]

00:02:17   does Mac related enterprise stuff the [TS]

00:02:20   basically thing you get [TS]

00:02:21   gives you the experience of accurate [TS]

00:02:22   director that requiring as they put it a [TS]

00:02:24   bind to ad so you're not constantly [TS]

00:02:27   connected to Active Directory and you [TS]

00:02:30   know all the things that I thought were [TS]

00:02:31   making my Mac slower like me trying to [TS]

00:02:33   wake it up from sleep and meet you know [TS]

00:02:35   getting to the point where I can enter [TS]

00:02:36   my password to unlock my computer or you [TS]

00:02:39   know random spinners before it will [TS]

00:02:41   allow me to have network access and [TS]

00:02:43   stuff like that in theory this thing [TS]

00:02:44   would help so I took that feedback this [TS]

00:02:47   idea that sounds kind of neat but it's [TS]

00:02:49   not like I have any control over when [TS]

00:02:50   when or if that's going to happen but I [TS]

00:02:53   had a pleasant surprise a couple weeks [TS]

00:02:54   ago and my work started doing a trial of [TS]

00:02:58   this and I asked if you want to sign up [TS]

00:02:59   I said yes and like a day or two later [TS]

00:03:01   some Active Directory stuff disappeared [TS]

00:03:05   from my Mac and there's no mads stuff [TS]

00:03:07   appeared and so I could have to try it [TS]

00:03:09   and I have to say I'm about a week in [TS]

00:03:11   here it feels like a lot of the things [TS]

00:03:14   that seemed stupidly slow are not stupid [TS]

00:03:17   they slow anymore that's good it's much [TS]

00:03:19   faster for me to when I wake my computer [TS]

00:03:22   up or whatever to get to the point where [TS]

00:03:24   it lets me enter my password the [TS]

00:03:26   computer unlocks faster and I feel less [TS]

00:03:28   like hangs for no reason so I'm pretty [TS]

00:03:32   happy with it so far [TS]

00:03:33   via well this also lets me know that my [TS]

00:03:36   complaints about touch ID on the Mac [TS]

00:03:38   we're not related to Active Directory [TS]

00:03:39   because now I'm not on active director [TS]

00:03:41   anymore and still touch ID on my 2017 [TS]

00:03:44   15-inch MacBook Pro like when I want [TS]

00:03:47   unlock my computer sometimes the screen [TS]

00:03:49   will say enter your password or do touch [TS]

00:03:51   ID and that's what the screen says but [TS]

00:03:54   me repeatedly putting my finger on the [TS]

00:03:56   touch ID thing is telling me that it is [TS]

00:03:58   not reading my finger like it's not like [TS]

00:04:00   it's failing it just doesn't do the care [TS]

00:04:02   my fingers there at all it doesn't have [TS]

00:04:04   the little to put your finger here arrow [TS]

00:04:05   animation it's just completely blank and [TS]

00:04:08   putting your finger there as many times [TS]

00:04:10   as you want doesn't work when it does [TS]

00:04:12   work it's great but when it doesn't work [TS]

00:04:13   it makes me sit there with my finger on [TS]

00:04:14   the stupid thing putting it up and down [TS]

00:04:16   until I realize Oh [TS]

00:04:17   type my password why do I have my [TS]

00:04:18   password this time who knows but anyway [TS]

00:04:21   I'm guessing it's not Active Directory [TS]

00:04:22   related that's interesting my work has [TS]

00:04:25   been grumbly about Active Directory [TS]

00:04:28   stuff and so we've kicked around the [TS]

00:04:31   idea of nomad but none of us really knew [TS]

00:04:33   much about it so I will have to point my [TS]

00:04:36   IT people to the to this episode of the [TS]

00:04:38   beginning of it so hi Rory this was for [TS]

00:04:40   you even though you didn't know it but [TS]

00:04:43   yeah well definitely check that out [TS]

00:04:44   that's super cool because the nice the [TS]

00:04:45   advantage of being in a place that's [TS]

00:04:46   only 500 or so people is that you know [TS]

00:04:49   there's an IT group of maybe five to ten [TS]

00:04:52   people which means you know I can [TS]

00:04:53   actually somewhat influence this [TS]

00:04:56   decision-making insofar as if I put in a [TS]

00:04:58   good word you know that's that's that's [TS]

00:05:00   a positive thing so cool no I'm glad [TS]

00:05:02   it's working out well any other [TS]

00:05:04   follow-up let me just I'm some printed [TS]

00:05:06   real-time follow-up from the question of [TS]

00:05:08   the chatroom yes I know that sometimes [TS]

00:05:09   you have to actually press the touch ID [TS]

00:05:11   button thingy to get it to try to [TS]

00:05:13   register I'd do that and it were just [TS]

00:05:14   will not register like so sometimes it [TS]

00:05:16   just it's not in the mood to read my [TS]

00:05:18   finger and I don't know why despite the [TS]

00:05:21   messages on the screen to the contrary I [TS]

00:05:23   have some news we have another new child [TS]

00:05:28   in the house we have adopted a child [TS]

00:05:30   called elector that's not news you told [TS]

00:05:33   us that last week I did I tell you that [TS]

00:05:34   it was forthcoming okay that I'd [TS]

00:05:36   forgotten about that so yeah so I like [TS]

00:05:37   this here now remind me John in your [TS]

00:05:40   household you are mostly on Google home [TS]

00:05:42   is that right yeah I've got a regular [TS]

00:05:44   Google home and I've got a mini Google [TS]

00:05:46   home and then I have the home pod that [TS]

00:05:48   we talked about last week okay and then [TS]

00:05:49   what's going on in the Armen household [TS]

00:05:50   you guys are all they don't elect oh is [TS]

00:05:52   that right oh yeah she's my girl so this [TS]

00:05:55   is the first time that I have ever had [TS]

00:05:59   any sort of smart thing in my house [TS]

00:06:01   there's a joke here I see it I don't [TS]

00:06:03   care [TS]

00:06:04   there it's the first time I've ever ever [TS]

00:06:06   had any sort of smart assistant in the [TS]

00:06:07   house because Siri definitely does not [TS]

00:06:10   count so I I had heard from other people [TS]

00:06:13   talking about the lady in the tube that [TS]

00:06:14   they that she has skills and things and [TS]

00:06:17   that you can add stuff on to her and and [TS]

00:06:19   so I was vaguely familiar with the [TS]

00:06:20   ecosystem that I was trying to set up so [TS]

00:06:23   you know I got the lady in a tube I set [TS]

00:06:26   it up which was pretty straightforward [TS]

00:06:27   it's like you know a Wemo light switch [TS]

00:06:29   or something like that you know [TS]

00:06:30   you connect to its Wi-Fi it reads your [TS]

00:06:32   Wi-Fi then everything reconnects to the [TS]

00:06:34   regular Wi-Fi and things happen this is [TS]

00:06:36   an old news to probably 95% of the [TS]

00:06:38   people listening anyway I added a few [TS]

00:06:41   skills and it's cool it works to Spotify [TS]

00:06:44   which is great [TS]

00:06:45   doesn't sound like utter garbage which [TS]

00:06:47   is surprising I wouldn't say it sounds [TS]

00:06:48   great but it is listenable I would not [TS]

00:06:52   plan to use it for music I like that and [TS]

00:06:55   you're playing music on it that's what [TS]

00:06:56   you're doing you gotta know like when [TS]

00:06:57   you're playing music on well done oh I [TS]

00:06:58   tried it just to see and it got [TS]

00:07:00   surprisingly loud and it didn't sound uh [TS]

00:07:03   turley terrible again I would not say it [TS]

00:07:05   sounds good [TS]

00:07:06   she knows a lot of animal facts you [TS]

00:07:07   should ask her about animals I well I [TS]

00:07:09   tried to install a scale I don't [TS]

00:07:10   remember what it was called that's [TS]

00:07:11   basically like a quiz for Declan you [TS]

00:07:14   know what animal makes this sound and [TS]

00:07:17   the one I found was clearly written by [TS]

00:07:19   someone who does not use English as [TS]

00:07:20   their first language and it was just [TS]

00:07:21   very peculiar so you don't have to [TS]

00:07:24   answer right now but if you have some [TS]

00:07:26   sort of suggestions about like toddler [TS]

00:07:28   friendly games which you guys may have [TS]

00:07:29   gotten this too late because that I may [TS]

00:07:31   have been too old at that point but if [TS]

00:07:33   you do have suggestions [TS]

00:07:34   Adam basically tells elected to play [TS]

00:07:36   timber by Kesha [TS]

00:07:38   no he also likes fire ball he's always [TS]

00:07:44   like Alexa play fire ball by pitbull so [TS]

00:07:47   that's how he communicates with Alexa [TS]

00:07:50   we're not really playing animal games [TS]

00:07:52   we've passed that and we've moved on to [TS]

00:07:54   the inappropriate hip-hop stage so it's [TS]

00:07:57   it's fine but yeah I mean we had books [TS]

00:08:02   and stuff for that that you hit the [TS]

00:08:04   little the like the sound animal buttons [TS]

00:08:07   on the side are like old school like the [TS]

00:08:10   ones that haunted Lex his house that one [TS]

00:08:12   time Dora the explora book that was [TS]

00:08:17   haunting him [TS]

00:08:18   yeah the battery was going low and I was [TS]

00:08:20   making a terrible noise I remember and [TS]

00:08:22   he like tore apart half his house to [TS]

00:08:23   find it and it ended up being a stupid [TS]

00:08:25   book but yeah we we mainly use it for [TS]

00:08:29   weather Adam will ask the weather in the [TS]

00:08:31   morning and it actually talking to [TS]

00:08:34   electa greatly helped him improve his [TS]

00:08:36   pronunciation because oh that's [TS]

00:08:39   interesting he would get frustrated that [TS]

00:08:40   she wouldn't understand him so then he [TS]

00:08:43   would have to articulate the word Allah [TS]

00:08:44   bit more and I really think that talking [TS]

00:08:47   to her has helped him develop his [TS]

00:08:50   linguistical skills [TS]

00:08:51   he's more receptive to instruction than [TS]

00:08:53   my children because my children have the [TS]

00:08:54   same problem and I tell them you have to [TS]

00:08:56   enunciate and it will understand you [TS]

00:08:57   better and they say they roll their eyes [TS]

00:08:59   in and say forget it [TS]

00:09:00   I'd say yeah Adam really really wanted [TS]

00:09:03   to hear fire ball by Pitbull so he made [TS]

00:09:05   sure he got that right he's got no other [TS]

00:09:06   way to do it yeah he learned that like [TS]

00:09:09   that syntax play fire ball by Pitbull [TS]

00:09:11   like if he just says play fire ball I'm [TS]

00:09:12   sure there's other songs that are by far [TS]

00:09:14   like did you own oh yeah he'll say he'll [TS]

00:09:16   say by pitbull and he also he found it [TS]

00:09:19   really funny that when he tells electus [TS]

00:09:20   aid he said electa play nothing that it [TS]

00:09:24   will play a song called nothing and he [TS]

00:09:26   thinks that's really funny because he [TS]

00:09:28   told her to play nothing when then she [TS]

00:09:30   goes and plays something so yeah he [TS]

00:09:32   asked the weather like I said it's [TS]

00:09:34   pretty good animal facts and other basic [TS]

00:09:37   facts asking it and setting timers and [TS]

00:09:39   stuff but yeah and oh he's been setting [TS]

00:09:41   a timers with it too cuz every time [TS]

00:09:43   we're like alright you know you have [TS]

00:09:44   five minutes for this and he'll set a [TS]

00:09:46   timer oh in the morning he comes [TS]

00:09:47   downstairs by himself he like gets up [TS]

00:09:49   gets dressed brushes his teeth and comes [TS]

00:09:51   downstairs and tells elect to turn on [TS]

00:09:52   the lights so he's pretty capable now [TS]

00:09:56   it's like a little person it's amazing [TS]

00:09:59   asking the weather is actually the most [TS]

00:10:01   common use of Siri in my house and it [TS]

00:10:03   started many years ago with my daughter [TS]

00:10:06   coming to my bedside table and using [TS]

00:10:09   whatever device I have there to find out [TS]

00:10:12   what the weather is so chic affair out [TS]

00:10:14   what she wants to wear although she [TS]

00:10:16   ostensibly it's to find out what you're [TS]

00:10:18   supposed to wear but regardless what the [TS]

00:10:19   weather is she just wears clothing that [TS]

00:10:20   is not appropriate for the weather so I [TS]

00:10:22   don't know kids these days the key fact [TS]

00:10:25   is that you you don't need to unlock any [TS]

00:10:28   of my devices to get the weather you can [TS]

00:10:30   you know hold down the little button and [TS]

00:10:32   then say what's the weather and it will [TS]

00:10:35   give you the weather report without the [TS]

00:10:37   device being unlocked so that's why [TS]

00:10:38   she's using cheap even she has her own [TS]

00:10:40   devices now but she still likes to come [TS]

00:10:42   into my room and use my iPad or my [TS]

00:10:44   iPhone to get the weather report so I [TS]

00:10:47   was trying to think how often does Siri [TS]

00:10:49   get used and like well I use it set a [TS]

00:10:51   reminder once every few weeks or [TS]

00:10:54   something mostly we don't use it then I [TS]

00:10:55   realize it gets used everyday to tell my [TS]

00:10:57   daughter [TS]

00:10:57   yeah and so it's been interesting for us [TS]

00:11:00   trying to I mean again it's been all of [TS]

00:11:02   a day but you know starting to figure [TS]

00:11:04   out how can this integrate into our [TS]

00:11:05   lives because we didn't exactly seek [TS]

00:11:07   this out right it kind of fell in our [TS]

00:11:09   laps just like my white cars it's so [TS]

00:11:11   anyway it just kind of appeared if you [TS]

00:11:14   will and we're trying to figure out [TS]

00:11:16   where does this fit in our lives because [TS]

00:11:17   this is not something we we've like [TS]

00:11:20   wanted and so far it seems like weather [TS]

00:11:23   and timers have been popular we did [TS]

00:11:25   enjoy doing a little bit of Spotify just [TS]

00:11:27   because it's nice to be able to call out [TS]

00:11:29   across the room you know hey yo lady in [TS]

00:11:32   the can play such-and-such by so-and-so [TS]

00:11:33   oh you can ask it to tell you stories or [TS]

00:11:36   jokes oh good to know I did not know [TS]

00:11:37   that yeah Adam and during Halloween [TS]

00:11:39   really enjoyed asking the lady in the [TS]

00:11:42   can to tell him a scary story but there [TS]

00:11:45   they weren't really scary it was like [TS]

00:11:47   old potato like okay see where did you [TS]

00:11:57   physically put it so well actually TIFF [TS]

00:12:00   may remember this but it's next to the [TS]

00:12:02   plant on ledge by the table in between [TS]

00:12:05   the living room and the table duh that's [TS]

00:12:07   exactly totally John so basically are if [TS]

00:12:10   you walk in from the garage you're [TS]

00:12:12   dumped directly in our kitchen from the [TS]

00:12:13   kitchen to the little breakfast nook [TS]

00:12:14   from the breakfast breakfast up to like [TS]

00:12:16   our main living or a family room [TS]

00:12:17   whatever you want to call it and there's [TS]

00:12:19   a little ledge in between the breakfast [TS]

00:12:21   nook and the family room and so we just [TS]

00:12:24   stuck it there for now on a piece of [TS]

00:12:25   wood and if after all the home pod stuff [TS]

00:12:28   I'm like man should I get a little doily [TS]

00:12:30   for this or what I don't even know but [TS]

00:12:32   we put it there because you know that's [TS]

00:12:34   easy access orally verbally whatever to [TS]

00:12:37   both the kitchen and the family room and [TS]

00:12:39   so without having to like scream you [TS]

00:12:41   know most of the downstairs can can hear [TS]

00:12:43   or can can speak to her and can hear her [TS]

00:12:46   and one of the striking things to me [TS]

00:12:49   about this which I think I [TS]

00:12:51   intellectually knew but it creeped me [TS]

00:12:53   out to see on the lady app on your phone [TS]

00:12:55   it actually shows you hey here's the [TS]

00:12:57   things that you've said recently what [TS]

00:12:59   you know of itself okay I can kind [TS]

00:13:00   understand that but that's a little [TS]

00:13:01   weird but then you can listen to [TS]

00:13:02   yourself making these requests which is [TS]

00:13:05   again like understandable my brain [TS]

00:13:07   understands of course it's listening to [TS]

00:13:09   you that's how it does things [TS]

00:13:11   but like it's also recording me which is [TS]

00:13:14   a little weird but I still mostly [TS]

00:13:16   understand it but it's saving that which [TS]

00:13:19   is a little weird even though I do [TS]

00:13:22   understand it so that's like a little [TS]

00:13:23   bit funny and that did creep me back [TS]

00:13:26   kicked me out a little bit the only [TS]

00:13:27   skills I've installed are any list which [TS]

00:13:30   we spoke about an episode or two ago [TS]

00:13:31   which I didn't realize you actually have [TS]

00:13:34   to flip a switch on the lists within any [TS]

00:13:37   list in order to get them lady in the [TS]

00:13:40   tube enabled and once I did that it's [TS]

00:13:42   been working pretty well we don't have [TS]

00:13:44   nest thermostats because we're not cool [TS]

00:13:46   like that but we have you know one of [TS]

00:13:48   the men it's not Honeywell but it's like [TS]

00:13:49   some other manufacturers rough [TS]

00:13:51   equivalent and so I've installed a skill [TS]

00:13:53   for that it's the nexia skill and EXI a [TS]

00:13:56   but I haven't actually tried it yet I've [TS]

00:13:58   installed an arrow skill that I haven't [TS]

00:14:00   tried and the aforementioned garbage [TS]

00:14:01   gets the animal sound oh I haven't done [TS]

00:14:05   much with it but it is neat it is more [TS]

00:14:07   neat and more convenient than I thought [TS]

00:14:09   it would be but I wouldn't say that it [TS]

00:14:10   has changed my world quite yet and the [TS]

00:14:13   one thing that did strike me as super [TS]

00:14:15   world-changing no sarcasm intended is [TS]

00:14:18   being able to just shout at the tube you [TS]

00:14:20   know hey play timber by Pitbull or [TS]

00:14:23   whatever the case may be in our case it [TS]

00:14:25   was actually play you know five little [TS]

00:14:26   ducks by Raffi [TS]

00:14:27   but anyway are you gonna update that [TS]

00:14:29   yeah well in you know being able to be [TS]

00:14:32   being able to be synced with Spotify it [TS]

00:14:35   that's really cool because I pay for [TS]

00:14:37   Spotify anyway and just having it being [TS]

00:14:40   able to use Spotify and then if I turn [TS]

00:14:43   Spotify on on my phone we can do the I [TS]

00:14:46   forget the term for it but the thing [TS]

00:14:48   where you can control other Spotify [TS]

00:14:50   clients and so even the hardware buttons [TS]

00:14:52   on my phone as long as the phone was [TS]

00:14:54   left in kind of like Spotify mode the [TS]

00:14:57   hardware buttons on my phone can control [TS]

00:14:59   the volume of the lady in the tube [TS]

00:15:01   playing music which is super cool I'm [TS]

00:15:03   not even entirely clear how that works [TS]

00:15:04   but it does and and so in that sense the [TS]

00:15:08   all this integration is super awesome [TS]

00:15:09   and it occurred to me wow I really wish [TS]

00:15:11   that like this tube was a much better [TS]

00:15:14   speaker and I thought well then that I [TS]

00:15:15   should get a home pod and then I thought [TS]

00:15:17   well no because I can't use Spotify with [TS]

00:15:18   it in the way I want and then it [TS]

00:15:20   occurred to me like I don't know where [TS]

00:15:21   I've been for the last two years but [TS]

00:15:23   they make an echo [TS]

00:15:25   what is it a little dot or something [TS]

00:15:26   like that the echo dot that I can plug [TS]

00:15:28   into the stereo like why have I not [TS]

00:15:30   thought of this for two years and I [TS]

00:15:32   could just shout it this little you know [TS]

00:15:34   dot echo dot or whatever it's called you [TS]

00:15:36   know hey lady in the tube play yo timber [TS]

00:15:39   buy pit ball and it would play on our [TS]

00:15:42   home theater stereo which is not a [TS]

00:15:43   remarkably great stereo in fact it's [TS]

00:15:45   kind of crappy but it's the best stereo [TS]

00:15:46   we have in the house why didn't I do [TS]

00:15:48   this a long time ago why do I do this to [TS]

00:15:50   myself so how does the other people in [TS]

00:15:52   your house feel about YouTube uh Aaron [TS]

00:15:56   is kind of ambivalent about it she I [TS]

00:15:58   don't think she's really embraced it as [TS]

00:16:00   yet partially because it's been a day [TS]

00:16:02   partially because I don't think she's [TS]

00:16:03   really seen me successfully like add [TS]

00:16:05   things to the grocery list a few times [TS]

00:16:07   or you know she's not one to typically [TS]

00:16:09   play music if I'm not around so usually [TS]

00:16:11   I'm like the family DJ Declan is scared [TS]

00:16:15   to talk to it in not in be like oh god [TS]

00:16:17   oh god way but the nd like I'm bashful [TS]

00:16:20   and shy way but he does enjoy the fact [TS]

00:16:23   that we can talk to it and asked me to [TS]

00:16:25   talk to it from time to time and [TS]

00:16:27   Michaela is just sitting there as per [TS]

00:16:30   expectations so it's so far I wouldn't [TS]

00:16:33   say it's a rousing success but I mean [TS]

00:16:34   I'm enjoying it more than I thought I [TS]

00:16:36   would and 417 or so dollars that it cost [TS]

00:16:39   me to ship it here it's worth 17 dollars [TS]

00:16:41   I don't know that I personally would pay [TS]

00:16:43   like 100 150 or in the key in the case [TS]

00:16:45   of the home pod three hundred and fifty [TS]

00:16:47   dollars for something like this [TS]

00:16:48   especially in the case of the home pod [TS]

00:16:49   where Siri is in my personal opinion [TS]

00:16:51   kind of garbage but it's it's pretty [TS]

00:16:55   cool I like it I mean a few of the times [TS]

00:16:57   that made me felt fall really in love [TS]

00:16:59   with the lady in the tube was when we [TS]

00:17:02   have gay nights and we all end up having [TS]

00:17:05   like song suggestion battles and we just [TS]

00:17:08   keep interrupting each other songs to [TS]

00:17:10   play other songs and it just gets really [TS]

00:17:11   fun the back and forth just yelling at [TS]

00:17:14   Alexa to do different things and in [TS]

00:17:15   addition you can also order stuff on [TS]

00:17:17   your friends electives and that gets [TS]

00:17:19   pretty fun too so yeah I don't know it's [TS]

00:17:23   cool I don't see myself buying a home [TS]

00:17:26   pod although it wouldn't surprise me if [TS]

00:17:27   that's on the birthday list like I did [TS]

00:17:30   it occurred to me that all this waffling [TS]

00:17:32   I'm doing in front of Aaron is probably [TS]

00:17:33   not helping her for my birthday shopping [TS]

00:17:35   because my birthday's in two weeks so I [TS]

00:17:38   don't know if she's if she's looking to [TS]

00:17:40   buy me a home pod would never buy me a [TS]

00:17:42   home pod has already bought me a home [TS]

00:17:44   pod I don't know what the plan is rut [TS]

00:17:45   you're a child Kizzy [TS]

00:17:46   oh no argument here I'm fine with that [TS]

00:17:49   but it just occurred to me that I that I [TS]

00:17:52   need to be more clear about what my [TS]

00:17:55   desires are for the home pod just in [TS]

00:17:56   case that's on her radar but the thing [TS]

00:17:58   is I still don't know what I want to do [TS]

00:17:59   had a home pod I feel like it's not [TS]

00:18:01   something I want except I do think [TS]

00:18:02   having a really great speaker would be [TS]

00:18:04   nice so if you listen to this podcast [TS]

00:18:06   what she won't say you should tell her [TS]

00:18:07   separately maybe she can get you a dot [TS]

00:18:08   because it's cheaper and it'll give you [TS]

00:18:10   something to hook up to your good [TS]

00:18:11   speakers that is true now John how was [TS]

00:18:15   your home pod second week on it's not [TS]

00:18:17   seeing much use like I mean I don't [TS]

00:18:18   think my kids know that they can ask it [TS]

00:18:20   the weather or maybe my daughter just [TS]

00:18:23   likes to use the stuff on my nightstand [TS]

00:18:25   because it's closer to her bedroom where [TS]

00:18:27   she's deciding what she's going to wear [TS]

00:18:29   but yeah not really getting much use I [TS]

00:18:32   mean my Google Homes don't get much use [TS]

00:18:33   either it's just that they're they're [TS]

00:18:34   there when I need them to be there like [TS]

00:18:35   that's the key component of these things [TS]

00:18:37   is I don't don't use them that [TS]

00:18:38   frequently certainly not daily probably [TS]

00:18:41   not even weekly but in the moment when I [TS]

00:18:44   have a desire and I'm too lazy to get up [TS]

00:18:47   or too lazy to go get my phone or just [TS]

00:18:49   want to know right now the fact that I [TS]

00:18:50   can yell something into the air and get [TS]

00:18:53   satisfaction immediately is great and so [TS]

00:18:56   I feel like it's well worth the money [TS]

00:18:57   for these things just just for those [TS]

00:18:59   times and of course like I said when my [TS]

00:19:01   kids have friends over they use them you [TS]

00:19:04   know they become the house DJs and they [TS]

00:19:07   use them to play whatever songs they [TS]

00:19:09   want and laugh and do whatever they're [TS]

00:19:11   doing and interrupt each other songs and [TS]

00:19:13   stuff like that so it's a it's a home [TS]

00:19:14   entertainment device to keep the [TS]

00:19:16   children entertained as well Alexa play [TS]

00:19:18   tub-thumping by Chumbawamba valentines [TS]

00:19:27   top 4 just earlier today I'm Way behind [TS]

00:19:31   on podcast and yeah that gargle is bad [TS]

00:19:33   but tub-thumping I can't I cannot abide [TS]

00:19:36   by that is they it's like their own [TS]

00:19:40   personal never going to give you up [TS]

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00:20:43   website any other thoughts about ladies [TS]

00:20:49   and canisters and tubes and cylinders [TS]

00:20:51   and things of that nature tips not in a [TS]

00:20:53   cylinder but do not explain why she's [TS]

00:20:54   here well Marco is sick so they found [TS]

00:21:01   another armand and replaced him so hey [TS]

00:21:03   it's me and who are you I'm TIFF I'm [TS]

00:21:07   lossless introduce yourself hi I'm [TS]

00:21:18   Tiffany Armand you may know me from such [TS]

00:21:20   podcast as top 4 or playing for fun with [TS]

00:21:23   real AFM's Michael Hurley I'm also [TS]

00:21:25   sometimes on ATP and I'm married to [TS]

00:21:28   Marco Arment who's usually on ATP BAM [TS]

00:21:31   there you go you can find me on the web [TS]

00:21:33   under Tiffany Armen alright you skimmed [TS]

00:21:36   over the part about Marco being sick [TS]

00:21:38   which is kind of vague he's not dying [TS]

00:21:40   and I think he could have been on the [TS]

00:21:42   program but he doesn't feel well enough [TS]

00:21:43   to do it so here we are [TS]

00:21:45   hey screw you man oh god I can't talk [TS]

00:21:52   you jackass [TS]

00:21:57   God is somebody having fun with terminal [TS]

00:22:00   and thus a command not that were [TS]

00:22:01   complaining is great to have Tiff's I'm [TS]

00:22:03   just saying do you guys remember smarter [TS]

00:22:04   child you remember talking to that bot [TS]

00:22:06   know what there was a bot smarter child [TS]

00:22:09   in like the 90s that you would talk to [TS]

00:22:11   they I don't think I ever did it but now [TS]

00:22:14   that you mentioned was a nineties thing [TS]

00:22:15   I think I vaguely remember it but I [TS]

00:22:17   don't think I did it no we all did it [TS]

00:22:19   you know after school chatting with [TS]

00:22:20   smarter child on a messenger like all [TS]

00:22:24   the cool kids do eating snacks talking a [TS]

00:22:26   smarter child listening to no doubt you [TS]

00:22:30   do you know what piece of 90s nostalgia [TS]

00:22:32   just came back recently I feel like [TS]

00:22:35   every six months or so maybe it's every [TS]

00:22:37   year for some reason or another somebody [TS]

00:22:40   brings up I CQ like you know the the the [TS]

00:22:43   precursor predecessor or we know don't [TS]

00:22:48   know what you're talking about [TS]

00:22:50   see thank you Tiff's so I CQ the letters [TS]

00:22:52   I see and Q which is supposed to you [TS]

00:22:55   know be funny because it's also the [TS]

00:22:57   words I seek you it was like the first [TS]

00:23:01   particularly popular online presence [TS]

00:23:04   like I am applications so this was [TS]

00:23:06   before either before AOL Instant [TS]

00:23:08   Messenger existed or it was before it [TS]

00:23:10   existed to anyone outside of AOL I don't [TS]

00:23:13   know exactly what the timeline was but [TS]

00:23:14   what was interesting about ICQ and I [TS]

00:23:17   think it does still exist but what was [TS]

00:23:19   interesting about I CQ in its heyday [TS]

00:23:20   which was like mid 90s maybe late 90s [TS]

00:23:22   was that it had sequential user numbers [TS]

00:23:25   not unlike Twitter actually and so for [TS]

00:23:28   whatever and you actually use these user [TS]

00:23:30   numbers like I believe that was the [TS]

00:23:31   equivalent of a screen name and so [TS]

00:23:33   everyone knew their user numbers and to [TS]

00:23:36   this day welded into my brain that's [TS]

00:23:40   probably not the right phrasing but [TS]

00:23:41   whatever somewhere in my brain in a [TS]

00:23:43   place that I cannot remove it is one two [TS]

00:23:44   oh two five seven two and I will never [TS]

00:23:46   forget that probably for the rest of my [TS]

00:23:48   life and I just it's funny because you [TS]

00:23:50   know you bring up two if you know this [TS]

00:23:52   weird bit of nostalgia that just comes [TS]

00:23:54   up out of nowhere I really feel like [TS]

00:23:55   every six months or so somebody brings [TS]

00:23:57   up I CQ and/or their I CQ number I don't [TS]

00:24:00   know why but it happens all the time [TS]

00:24:01   there's a new TV show on Netflix called [TS]

00:24:04   everything sucks and it's very 90s they [TS]

00:24:07   pretty much just I like throw in all [TS]

00:24:10   these 90s [TS]

00:24:11   for instance just for people our age to [TS]

00:24:13   be like remember that and you know it's [TS]

00:24:16   like little uh teaser can't nineties [TS]

00:24:18   candy kind of show and mark when I just [TS]

00:24:21   binge watched it because we've been sick [TS]

00:24:22   so it was pretty fun I suggested to [TS]

00:24:24   anybody who is feeling some ninety love [TS]

00:24:26   go for it so you never had Isaac you [TS]

00:24:28   know no I started with AOL Instant [TS]

00:24:33   Messenger I think they were kind of [TS]

00:24:34   contemporary I had all these things [TS]

00:24:37   right but I was not as into any of them [TS]

00:24:40   to remember my ICQ number it was a [TS]

00:24:42   pretty big number too but like it was it [TS]

00:24:44   was like anything else where I would I [TS]

00:24:46   was more fractured than than it is now [TS]

00:24:48   like you talked to some people and Isaac [TS]

00:24:50   you some people in Ames some people I [TS]

00:24:51   talked to on the you know the [TS]

00:24:53   universities like real-time [TS]

00:24:55   communication thing like just using the [TS]

00:24:57   talk command [TS]

00:24:59   [Music] [TS]

00:25:05   Isaac you had this terribly drawn flower [TS]

00:25:08   icon on the Mac oh yeah it was not a [TS]

00:25:10   good looking icon by any stretch part [TS]

00:25:14   goes in the chat room letting everyone [TS]

00:25:15   know is that your number you all have [TS]

00:25:18   big numbers too I think I get my number [TS]

00:25:20   was similar like I just don't remember [TS]

00:25:22   what our screen names are gone now right [TS]

00:25:24   or do can you like look up stuff with [TS]

00:25:26   people's screen names cuz someone just [TS]

00:25:27   asked about what my screen name was and [TS]

00:25:29   it's pretty really teenager II and I [TS]

00:25:33   don't know if I should say it screen [TS]

00:25:35   name for what aim yeah no one can do [TS]

00:25:37   anything weird with that can they aim [TS]

00:25:39   aim just recently shut down I know [TS]

00:25:40   because I got the message that said hey [TS]

00:25:42   you've been signed onto him every day [TS]

00:25:43   since it existed but guess what it's [TS]

00:25:45   going away because I was still on an [TS]

00:25:46   Adium is it gone now and all yeah I got [TS]

00:25:49   the message about it once I got the [TS]

00:25:50   message I deleted it oh well I I guess I [TS]

00:25:53   still had mine but I saved all the [TS]

00:25:54   important chat messages from when Marco [TS]

00:25:56   and I first met because we're super cute [TS]

00:25:58   like that I actually have some I think I [TS]

00:26:01   might have our first instant messenger [TS]

00:26:03   conversation somewhere buried between [TS]

00:26:04   Aaron and me and every couple of years I [TS]

00:26:06   stumble on it so because we're also [TS]

00:26:08   super I'll go with cute maybe creepy I [TS]

00:26:11   don't know well it's like saving love [TS]

00:26:12   letters right right no I'm serious [TS]

00:26:14   that's hilarious listening not listening [TS]

00:26:17   but rereading this because it's like [TS]

00:26:19   after you've been with any human being [TS]

00:26:22   for a long time being married or just [TS]

00:26:23   you know partners or [TS]

00:26:25   ever you you as a couple will chant like [TS]

00:26:28   you as individuals and you as a couple [TS]

00:26:29   will change and looking at like this [TS]

00:26:31   totally like you know scuffing of the [TS]

00:26:33   feet looking down at my toes Casey like [TS]

00:26:35   hey maybe we can chalk later [TS]

00:26:39   as opposed today's dynamic the wall [TS]

00:26:41   scaling ice crushing Casey I'm picturing [TS]

00:26:43   you in overalls with a daisy hanging out [TS]

00:26:45   of the butt pocket right that's how [TS]

00:26:47   these like these these chats between [TS]

00:26:49   Aaron and I read it's it's hilarious and [TS]

00:26:51   of merit and embarrassing but [TS]

00:26:52   nevertheless it is adorable to go back [TS]

00:26:54   to them yeah Markos and I we were all [TS]

00:26:56   like oh well what do you what's your [TS]

00:26:59   favorite meal and do you like [TS]

00:27:00   thunderstorms nice so the generation [TS]

00:27:10   before like had to save their paper love [TS]

00:27:12   letters your generation is saving your [TS]

00:27:15   just right but the current generation [TS]

00:27:18   does have to say to anything because [TS]

00:27:19   it'll be in the cloud forever lucky [TS]

00:27:20   bastards like don't want to expunge it [TS]

00:27:23   right after they get divorced and they [TS]

00:27:25   won't be able to like Google sergers [TS]

00:27:26   will still turn it up because it's [TS]

00:27:28   feeding some training model and in [TS]

00:27:30   Google's giant time machine learning [TS]

00:27:33   cloud all right so what was your aim [TS]

00:27:35   name Casey let's let's see what yours [TS]

00:27:37   was [TS]

00:27:37   I think I have mentioned this at some [TS]

00:27:40   point in the past so I was trying to [TS]

00:27:41   think of like a cool 90s aim name I [TS]

00:27:45   don't know I think it was 97 ish that I [TS]

00:27:47   joined into the messenger 96 97 [TS]

00:27:49   something like that and so I'm sorry [TS]

00:27:51   think of a cool name I needed a cool [TS]

00:27:53   name and and I was on the bus on the way [TS]

00:27:56   home from high school and and my my [TS]

00:27:59   friend Ben was talking about how he's [TS]

00:28:00   trying to learn to play bass and he had [TS]

00:28:02   gotten a lot of blisters on his fingers [TS]

00:28:03   and I thought ah got it [TS]

00:28:05   Lister but no it gets better it was even [TS]

00:28:13   worse than that [TS]

00:28:14   exactly robot mark oh I know what it is [TS]

00:28:17   because I had your aim address it's all [TS]

00:28:18   coming back to me now mmm I haven't [TS]

00:28:21   blocked it out but now I in fact I can [TS]

00:28:22   probably pull you up on my buddy list [TS]

00:28:24   right now if I could connect to the [TS]

00:28:25   service it's like a metal name like my [TS]

00:28:31   name is buzz right I'm saying it was [TS]

00:28:34   such a great name do you have like did [TS]

00:28:35   you have like a nose piercing with a [TS]

00:28:37   safety pin yeah [TS]

00:28:38   yeah that's definitely me no I was like [TS]

00:28:40   that you know the the dorkiest white boy [TS]

00:28:42   in the world at which surprises no one [TS]

00:28:44   but nevertheless it turns out that that [TS]

00:28:46   the word blister BL is ter was taken who [TS]

00:28:49   knew so what do you do if blister is [TS]

00:28:52   taken in your final 15 16 17 years old [TS]

00:28:54   however old I was at the time BL is TA [TS]

00:28:58   of course blister on the end of it yeah [TS]

00:29:04   that's 69 or bliss to 6730 2 & 4 you [TS]

00:29:11   know or whatever it's those were the [TS]

00:29:13   worst [TS]

00:29:13   so TIFF now that you've compelled me to [TS]

00:29:15   share it is now your turn [TS]

00:29:16   okay well mine is really like whey feed [TS]

00:29:20   teenage I'm like super deep and write [TS]

00:29:23   poetry [TS]

00:29:24   mine was ma Mt [TS]

00:29:27   Jas which stood for music always makes [TS]

00:29:30   the journey sweeter oh wow [TS]

00:29:34   and it was also the title of a painting [TS]

00:29:37   that I liked by this really weird artist [TS]

00:29:39   I believe his name was James Christensen [TS]

00:29:42   he was like some Mormon artist guy that [TS]

00:29:46   a Mormon boy showed me and because I was [TS]

00:29:49   super in love with him and hey hey hey [TS]

00:29:53   yeah it was in high school dude I didn't [TS]

00:29:55   even meet you yet robot Marco though [TS]

00:29:57   don't be in love with Mormons oh no it [TS]

00:29:59   was a whole scene he he died don't even [TS]

00:30:02   think he's straight like it's no it was [TS]

00:30:04   it was a whole thing it was a whole [TS]

00:30:06   thing he was deep though he played the [TS]

00:30:08   piano beautifully mm-hmm we hung out out [TS]

00:30:10   on the jetty you know it's those type of [TS]

00:30:12   things so yeah [TS]

00:30:13   music always makes the journey sweeter [TS]

00:30:15   explain to Marcone Casey what a jetty is [TS]

00:30:17   they don't know what a jetty is it's a [TS]

00:30:19   big hole bunch of rocks that jut out [TS]

00:30:21   into some water that kids go out on and [TS]

00:30:23   Marga might know now your urine doctor [TS]

00:30:25   having him into Long Island culture well [TS]

00:30:26   it's true he knows now I don't think [TS]

00:30:28   he's been out he's seen the rock jetties [TS]

00:30:29   but he hasn't ventured out on them or [TS]

00:30:31   gotten stuck on the end when the high [TS]

00:30:32   tide comes in until he slipped it and [TS]

00:30:35   given himself a terrible cut on the [TS]

00:30:37   barnacles or something that he hasn't [TS]

00:30:38   really arrived yeah exactly [TS]

00:30:40   until you grab like you know a croissant [TS]

00:30:42   from the local bakery and go out on the [TS]

00:30:44   jetty and cuddle a little bit you [TS]

00:30:46   haven't lived so these these are a m-- [TS]

00:30:50   you know yeah the same names [TS]

00:30:51   but were they did they span outside the [TS]

00:30:55   service that they become an identity [TS]

00:30:56   outside the services just the names that [TS]

00:30:58   you picked for the thing because I think [TS]

00:31:00   a lot of a common thing in the early [TS]

00:31:02   internet was to be forced to pick some [TS]

00:31:04   name on a service but lots of people [TS]

00:31:06   haven't picked named and to come up with [TS]

00:31:07   something like these two things you're [TS]

00:31:09   just described these two things yeah and [TS]

00:31:11   to attach that and then so for the next [TS]

00:31:13   service to use like the same name [TS]

00:31:15   because for the same reason because like [TS]

00:31:16   you know won't be taking any you become [TS]

00:31:18   to be identified by it that happened oh [TS]

00:31:21   yeah oh yeah I had my name forever until [TS]

00:31:23   I started using like my real name places [TS]

00:31:25   I was always ma'am to just at least know [TS]

00:31:31   numbers but I think that's worse this is [TS]

00:31:33   not pronounceable no it's not it doesn't [TS]

00:31:35   even pronounce that it was a terrible [TS]

00:31:38   decision made by a really confused [TS]

00:31:40   person Casey where else did you use [TS]

00:31:43   blister blister where I could and fell [TS]

00:31:49   back what if possible I wish my name was [TS]

00:31:52   bliss name give me give me through [TS]

00:31:56   Archon again it's like a bass player and [TS]

00:31:58   he had gun blisters I said no no no no [TS]

00:32:01   so like my my so if you think I'm nerdy [TS]

00:32:04   and my friend Ben was even nerdier than [TS]

00:32:07   I am or at the time anyway and he was [TS]

00:32:11   learning to play bass and was lamenting [TS]

00:32:12   on the school bus on the way home from [TS]

00:32:14   school because we were like a couple of [TS]

00:32:15   houses down from each other that he was [TS]

00:32:17   getting blisters all over his hands and [TS]

00:32:18   this was as I was pontificating about [TS]

00:32:20   what I should call myself online and [TS]

00:32:21   that's when I chose blister and the [TS]

00:32:23   image in your mind blisters that's [TS]

00:32:25   that's an image I want to associate [TS]

00:32:26   myself with why not because there's a [TS]

00:32:29   gross yes but I was 17 years old I'm [TS]

00:32:32   good how about abrasion yes so you were [TS]

00:32:34   17 that's way too old to be naming [TS]

00:32:36   yourself blister I mean whatever it was [TS]

00:32:38   I was in high school I know I was in [TS]

00:32:40   high school that I'm sure of [TS]

00:32:41   so yeah I was probably told to be naming [TS]

00:32:43   myself that but remember everyone that [TS]

00:32:45   this was a different era and that things [TS]

00:32:47   were different back then I had a friend [TS]

00:32:48   who his name was gravy boat and I was so [TS]

00:32:50   jealous I'm like that's so good ah sure [TS]

00:32:54   I thought I wish I thought a gravy boat [TS]

00:32:56   but that's not better than your name [TS]

00:32:58   gravy boats amazing are you kidding [TS]

00:33:00   such a good name my aim name I was [TS]

00:33:04   can share because the service is now [TS]

00:33:06   dead was JC siracusa why was it because [TS]

00:33:12   both Jay Syracuse and Syracuse who were [TS]

00:33:15   taken because DJ Syracuse it was taken [TS]

00:33:20   yeah I don't know I've been trying to [TS]

00:33:24   teach my children don't pick usernames [TS]

00:33:26   with numbers in them because I feel like [TS]

00:33:28   that's not something I family does [TS]

00:33:31   family that we don't but beyond that [TS]

00:33:38   they're not good at picking usernames [TS]

00:33:39   I'm and it's hard to do I had to come up [TS]

00:33:43   with with my son's Playstation account [TS]

00:33:45   name and like everything is taken and I [TS]

00:33:47   just wanted something that would like [TS]

00:33:48   not being embarrassing to anyone in the [TS]

00:33:50   present or in the future but be somehow [TS]

00:33:54   meaningful and connected to something [TS]

00:33:56   right hard it was hard to do we'd spent [TS]

00:33:59   a long time on that well you know what [TS]

00:34:01   having you two on the show reminds me [TS]

00:34:03   that I need to pick a bone with Long [TS]

00:34:07   Islanders because for the longest time [TS]

00:34:09   once I realized that I should just start [TS]

00:34:11   embracing like my actual name like I was [TS]

00:34:13   you know old enough because remember [TS]

00:34:15   early Internet you never used both your [TS]

00:34:17   first and last name on the internet [TS]

00:34:18   never did that because it was too scary [TS]

00:34:20   especially if you're a kid not for yeah [TS]

00:34:23   see that this is weird your yeah that's [TS]

00:34:26   I felt like that skipped my generation [TS]

00:34:29   big I guess it was like before you were [TS]

00:34:31   taught like we at the point I would when [TS]

00:34:33   I was doing it they were teaching the [TS]

00:34:35   younger kids not to do that [TS]

00:34:36   but no one was teaching us not to do [TS]

00:34:38   that so we did it yeah I think this is [TS]

00:34:40   one of the rare times I mean this [TS]

00:34:41   genuinely that I remember that you are [TS]

00:34:42   more than just a year or two older than [TS]

00:34:44   I because generally speaking you and I I [TS]

00:34:46   mean there there are some subtle [TS]

00:34:48   differences between our upbringings and [TS]

00:34:50   some bigger ones but but they're not in [TS]

00:34:52   my face very often and this is one of [TS]

00:34:54   those times where it's very in my face [TS]

00:34:55   but anyways when I realized that I [TS]

00:34:58   should start purchasing domain names [TS]

00:34:59   because they were less than like a [TS]

00:35:00   gazillion dollars for comm you know so [TS]

00:35:02   things had started to level out a little [TS]

00:35:04   bit for the longest time I wanted to get [TS]

00:35:06   list comm and for the longest time it [TS]

00:35:09   was taken by Long Island soda systems [TS]

00:35:12   and I remain to this day bitter about [TS]

00:35:15   that because [TS]

00:35:17   not only did they take my surname and my [TS]

00:35:20   rightfully deserve domain name but [TS]

00:35:23   because I wasn't very organized they [TS]

00:35:24   eventually let it lapse and now some [TS]

00:35:26   squatter has it and probably wants a [TS]

00:35:28   billion dollars for you should have been [TS]

00:35:29   you could have snipe that I know and you [TS]

00:35:31   should have had a watch on that and [TS]

00:35:32   picked it up as soon as it came [TS]

00:35:33   available it's hard to say that you have [TS]

00:35:35   you know anything because with Li you [TS]

00:35:37   have to go to Long Island [TS]

00:35:38   mm-hmm tough luck on that one yeah mmm [TS]

00:35:42   reign supreme [TS]

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00:36:53   show so we actually talk about tech [TS]

00:36:59   stuff no I like talking about Long [TS]

00:37:00   Island there is one tech related game [TS]

00:37:04   related thing that I'd like to do a [TS]

00:37:06   quick hit on because and TIFF may [TS]

00:37:09   actually have something to say about it [TS]

00:37:11   this is a story about Vulcan coming to [TS]

00:37:14   the map Mac vul kan which is the latest [TS]

00:37:19   version of well it's a graphics API made [TS]

00:37:24   by the same consortium that does OpenGL [TS]

00:37:27   and you know them at all [TS]

00:37:29   max have open jail and there's a mobile [TS]

00:37:33   / - open GL es on the iPhones and stuff [TS]

00:37:35   but it's been years since Apple do [TS]

00:37:38   anything with the Open GL stack on the [TS]

00:37:41   Mac and it shows in the performance and [TS]

00:37:45   features of OpenGL on the Mac which [TS]

00:37:48   tends to hamper the ability to either [TS]

00:37:51   make Mac native games which almost [TS]

00:37:54   nobody and he does or two port games [TS]

00:37:56   from other platforms because if you make [TS]

00:38:00   a game and it uses some gaming API that [TS]

00:38:02   doesn't exist on the Mac that's not [TS]

00:38:03   gonna work and you need some kind of [TS]

00:38:05   shim layer to work with OpenGL you know [TS]

00:38:08   - converting from DirectX token jail or [TS]

00:38:09   something or if you try to write it [TS]

00:38:10   portably in OpenGL from all tool [TS]

00:38:12   platforms OpenGL on the Mac is so old [TS]

00:38:14   and so slow that you can't like unless [TS]

00:38:17   you use it as a you know lowest common [TS]

00:38:18   denominator like and most people don't [TS]

00:38:20   do that for games it's not good so I [TS]

00:38:22   think it is hurt gaming gaming [TS]

00:38:25   performance and game availability on the [TS]

00:38:27   Mac and so and of course Apple is now [TS]

00:38:29   doing the metal thing where is a lower [TS]

00:38:31   level API with a much more modern lower [TS]

00:38:34   level API that is nevertheless exclusive [TS]

00:38:36   to Apple platforms it's on iOS cents on [TS]

00:38:38   the Mac and a lot of game engines have [TS]

00:38:41   written to that so the unity engine is [TS]

00:38:42   another what's the other let's say that [TS]

00:38:44   big damage if you probably know from the [TS]

00:38:46   opening screens of games unity and [TS]

00:38:47   unreal I was totally just gonna say that [TS]

00:38:51   yeah I have support for metal and so [TS]

00:38:54   that helps bring some games to the Mac [TS]

00:38:55   is like okay well I'm not writing my [TS]

00:38:57   game but using OpenGL I'm using an [TS]

00:38:58   engine and the engine knows how to [TS]

00:39:00   target these platforms so that has [TS]

00:39:01   helped a little bit but now finally [TS]

00:39:03   Vulcan is coming to the Mac not from [TS]

00:39:05   Apple but from the same I don't know if [TS]

00:39:07   it's the same consortium it's an open [TS]

00:39:09   source thing anyway to let people write [TS]

00:39:12   games using the Vulcan API and then run [TS]

00:39:14   them on the Mac and on Windows and on [TS]

00:39:16   wherever with equal feature set and [TS]

00:39:20   there's a couple stories we'll put the [TS]

00:39:22   links in the show notes of like oh they [TS]

00:39:23   tried porting a game and the Vulcan [TS]

00:39:26   implementation even though Vulcan is [TS]

00:39:27   just like translating those calls down [TS]

00:39:29   into metal for the game to run is like [TS]

00:39:32   50% faster than the old version which [TS]

00:39:34   would translate the calls down to the [TS]

00:39:36   OpenGL stack so I feel like this is yet [TS]

00:39:39   another nail in the coffin of OpenGL on [TS]

00:39:41   the Mac which is basically been dead [TS]

00:39:43   ever since Apple decided they never [TS]

00:39:44   gonna update it again but having it [TS]

00:39:46   there and having it be old and slow was [TS]

00:39:49   just depressing and like I didn't it was [TS]

00:39:51   almost like I didn't like it when games [TS]

00:39:53   used the quote-unquote native Mac API [TS]

00:39:55   because it was slow so now [TS]

00:39:57   just all the game makers are taking this [TS]

00:39:59   all out of Apple's hands and I'm hoping [TS]

00:40:01   what it will mean is better performance [TS]

00:40:03   for games when running on the Mac like [TS]

00:40:05   so you know what to reboot into Windows [TS]

00:40:06   like running games in steam or whatever [TS]

00:40:08   on the Mac and finally everyone giving [TS]

00:40:11   up on waiting for Apple to do anything [TS]

00:40:12   gaming related on the Mac other than you [TS]

00:40:15   know because they changed the window [TS]

00:40:17   server to metal I think in cearĂ¡ or High [TS]

00:40:19   Sierra I forget one but like I'm you [TS]

00:40:21   know OpenGL seems to be fading fast I [TS]

00:40:23   wish I wish Apple instead had just said [TS]

00:40:25   oh never mind we realized we should have [TS]

00:40:28   kept updating OpenGL and making it [TS]

00:40:29   faster and better but it doesn't seem [TS]

00:40:31   like they're doing that so I'm glad [TS]

00:40:32   someone else is doing it for them I'm [TS]

00:40:35   excited for all the games I play on my [TS]

00:40:36   Mac I like games do you reboot into [TS]

00:40:40   Windows to play games you mostly just [TS]

00:40:41   play them on Steam on your Mac I play [TS]

00:40:43   mine on Steam on Mac I haven't played [TS]

00:40:46   any games on my Mac except Firewatch [TS]

00:40:48   which I almost forgot the name of that's [TS]

00:40:50   how long it's been and that was very [TS]

00:40:52   good but that is the only time I've ever [TS]

00:40:53   played a game on my Mac oh and you did [TS]

00:40:55   do boot camp as he had always been [TS]

00:40:57   complaints about how hard it was to get [TS]

00:40:58   boot camp on what game was that for oh [TS]

00:41:00   that was for the inside Thank you Thank [TS]

00:41:05   You robot Marco inside I've totally [TS]

00:41:08   forgotten that wasn't do they just not [TS]

00:41:10   have the Mac port out then or are they [TS]

00:41:12   still not yeah the Mac port wasn't out [TS]

00:41:13   it literally came out like a week after [TS]

00:41:15   we recorded or like a few days after we [TS]

00:41:17   recorded or it was coming out while I [TS]

00:41:20   was playing the game but I needed the [TS]

00:41:22   time to play the game before I could I [TS]

00:41:25   saw I couldn't wait for the port to come [TS]

00:41:27   out that's another podcast your own [TS]

00:41:28   occasionally you didn't you didn't [TS]

00:41:29   listed in your list of podcast if is [TS]

00:41:31   also on the inoperable occasionally oh [TS]

00:41:32   and I'm also I'm a player on all the [TS]

00:41:36   game show the incorpo game shows stuff [TS]

00:41:38   yeah Boulder - I mean not Boulder - low [TS]

00:41:41   definition no no that's a copyrighted [TS]

00:41:44   trademark game owned by some other [TS]

00:41:46   company no we don't play - Boulder - at [TS]

00:41:48   all I don't even know what game that is [TS]

00:41:51   I never heard of it before in my life [TS]

00:41:52   low definition yeah the lowest of lows [TS]

00:41:56   and the highest of highs alright let's [TS]

00:41:59   talk about this weird patent that just [TS]

00:42:02   came out which is that really that weird [TS]

00:42:04   in the grand scheme of things so [TS]

00:42:05   patently Apple they noticed that Apple [TS]

00:42:09   has been granted a patent for a dual [TS]

00:42:10   display MacBook or perhaps second [TS]

00:42:12   generation iPad pro so the gist of it is [TS]

00:42:15   there's a display that you look at in a [TS]

00:42:17   display that you would ostensibly type [TS]

00:42:19   on and since Marco has done a little bit [TS]

00:42:25   of kvetching and complaining about the [TS]

00:42:27   modern keyboards I think this is really [TS]

00:42:30   we should just call this the marco [TS]

00:42:31   patent this is to make marco happy [TS]

00:42:33   because clearly the answer to Marco's [TS]

00:42:36   problems is if dust is a problem Marco [TS]

00:42:39   will just remove any mechanism by which [TS]

00:42:41   dust could get in the keyboard because [TS]

00:42:42   there is no into the keyboard it's all [TS]

00:42:44   just glass so you're welcome Marco it's [TS]

00:42:46   all for you I actually don't think [TS]

00:42:47   there's that much to say about this I [TS]

00:42:49   put it in here mostly so we can refer [TS]

00:42:50   people back to the original discussion [TS]

00:42:52   of this which was episode 193 title that [TS]

00:42:56   was the escape zone it was when I first [TS]

00:42:58   talked about the touch bar MacBook Pros [TS]

00:43:00   like right after they were announced and [TS]

00:43:03   the first thing that I think occurred to [TS]

00:43:05   anybody including us who looked at the [TS]

00:43:07   touch bar MacBook Pro is okay so they've [TS]

00:43:10   got a little screen on top of the [TS]

00:43:11   keyboard it seems kind of like a [TS]

00:43:14   half-measure [TS]

00:43:15   do we think that that eventually the [TS]

00:43:18   whole keyboard will be screen and we had [TS]

00:43:19   like ass long conversation about it so [TS]

00:43:21   go back to that episode if you want to [TS]

00:43:22   hear because I don't think we're gonna [TS]

00:43:23   repeat it here we took we did all set [TS]

00:43:24   all the things you're gonna expect us to [TS]

00:43:26   say about the pluses and minuses of [TS]

00:43:28   having anything that's that's entirely a [TS]

00:43:29   screen to type on and then this story is [TS]

00:43:32   like any other Apple patent story the [TS]

00:43:35   idea of having an entirely screen [TS]

00:43:38   keyboard is obvious to anybody including [TS]

00:43:43   Apple and you mean they did it on their [TS]

00:43:45   iOS devices it's they put a screen on [TS]

00:43:47   the keyboard surely they had [TS]

00:43:49   investigated that and like anything that [TS]

00:43:51   Apple does they investigated and they [TS]

00:43:52   patented especially the obvious idea is [TS]

00:43:54   because that's how our stupid patent [TS]

00:43:55   system works so as with all patent [TS]

00:43:58   things this means nothing about any [TS]

00:44:00   product that iple actually ship but it's [TS]

00:44:03   a thing that's been in everybody's mind [TS]

00:44:04   I think people do want to touch screens [TS]

00:44:06   on their computers I think people don't [TS]

00:44:09   like [TS]

00:44:11   some people don't like the keyboards as [TS]

00:44:13   they exist now and we expect them to [TS]

00:44:14   change I don't expect them to change in [TS]

00:44:16   this direction but this is just you know [TS]

00:44:19   time delay to confirmation that yes of [TS]

00:44:22   course Apple has considered having the [TS]

00:44:24   whole keyboard be a screen or having the [TS]

00:44:26   whole thing to be a convertible snap [TS]

00:44:27   apart thing with like an iPad and a [TS]

00:44:28   screen thing or whatever but until we [TS]

00:44:31   hear more we'll just continue assuming [TS]

00:44:33   that this is a thing they investigated [TS]

00:44:35   but are not going to produce but I think [TS]

00:44:38   they could sell something like this not [TS]

00:44:40   maybe as a Mac laptop maybe as an iOS [TS]

00:44:42   thing but it doesn't seem imminent to me [TS]

00:44:45   let's let's start [TS]

00:44:46   baby steps let's fix the mechanical [TS]

00:44:48   keyboard reliability problems first and [TS]

00:44:50   then after that maybe fix the Marco [TS]

00:44:53   satisfaction index on the mechanical [TS]

00:44:55   keyboard that is not reliable [TS]

00:44:56   damn straight well that topic I have to [TS]

00:44:59   say I've been using my 2017 MacBook Pro [TS]

00:45:02   at work with the keyboard has not yet [TS]

00:45:04   broken because I rarely use the keyboard [TS]

00:45:06   so I'm not using a lot but it's not [TS]

00:45:07   you're broken and I'm mostly a convert [TS]

00:45:09   to the key switches I still hate the [TS]

00:45:11   touch bar mostly because of the Escape [TS]

00:45:14   key which I want to be real key but I [TS]

00:45:16   like the actual keyboard obviously the [TS]

00:45:19   reliability part is still an issue no I [TS]

00:45:22   agree with you John that that I mean now [TS]

00:45:24   granted I've not used to touch bar Mac [TS]

00:45:25   but um but just the key the key switches [TS]

00:45:28   and whatnot I adore them and I have [TS]

00:45:31   spent years talking about how much the [TS]

00:45:33   magic keyboards are my favorite [TS]

00:45:34   keyboards ever and in the last six [TS]

00:45:36   months to a year I have decided that no [TS]

00:45:38   my favorite keyboard ever if you can put [TS]

00:45:41   a humongous asterisk on the end is the [TS]

00:45:44   is the one that's in the modern MacBook [TS]

00:45:45   Pros and MacBooks [TS]

00:45:46   but that humongous asterisk is when it's [TS]

00:45:49   working and as much as I want to say [TS]

00:45:52   that Marcos being a big baby and that [TS]

00:45:54   that really it's not a problem no really [TS]

00:45:56   it is a problem like I never needed to [TS]

00:45:59   buy compressed air in 10 years but as [TS]

00:46:02   I've mentioned several times I had to [TS]

00:46:03   probably compressed air to get some like [TS]

00:46:05   microscopic dust out of my macbook [TS]

00:46:07   keyboard but man when it's wet it's like [TS]

00:46:08   my car isn't it like when it's working [TS]

00:46:10   gosh I love that thing [TS]

00:46:12   but then occasionally it fails me it [TS]

00:46:13   makes me sad but you know you don't love [TS]

00:46:15   the arrow keys though like I mean [TS]

00:46:16   there's still I have I have a general [TS]

00:46:18   hatred for laptop keyboards but [TS]

00:46:19   specifically the arrow keys it's grim I [TS]

00:46:22   don't like the arrow keys but the [TS]

00:46:24   don't drive me as nuts as I think they [TS]

00:46:27   drive you and I think some of that is [TS]

00:46:28   because I've been I've been using them [TS]

00:46:31   using the inverted T for less well no is [TS]

00:46:33   that really true because my PC stuff [TS]

00:46:35   always had an inverted T I think I don't [TS]

00:46:37   know the fact that you could feel for [TS]

00:46:39   because you could feel for the gap so [TS]

00:46:40   that the one the one is that we talked [TS]

00:46:41   about the feeling for it but the other [TS]

00:46:42   thing I find that surprised me using the [TS]

00:46:44   keyboard now for a long time besides not [TS]

00:46:46   being able to feel down there to find [TS]

00:46:48   where the edges are is that the up and [TS]

00:46:49   down arrow keys which it's the same [TS]

00:46:51   essentially the same logical arrangement [TS]

00:46:53   has always been a half size up and half [TS]

00:46:55   sizes down crammed into a single key [TS]

00:46:57   space I find it more difficult to [TS]

00:46:59   differentiate and find and select like [TS]

00:47:02   the OP versus the down and I don't [TS]

00:47:04   understand why maybe it's because the [TS]

00:47:05   travel is less maybe because there's [TS]

00:47:07   less of an indent or a space between [TS]

00:47:08   them but I find myself I've found the [TS]

00:47:11   correct key with my finger I'm not [TS]

00:47:12   looking but I found the correct key the [TS]

00:47:14   up/down key with my finger and I have to [TS]

00:47:15   like carefully navigate which one of the [TS]

00:47:18   things I want to hit anyway all that as [TS]

00:47:20   I've said for years and years would be [TS]

00:47:21   solved if they just put an actual full [TS]

00:47:23   sized inverted T and broke the symmetry [TS]

00:47:25   of the outline of the keyboard but not [TS]

00:47:27   holding my breath on that yeah TIFF are [TS]

00:47:29   you using any sort of mobile rig or [TS]

00:47:31   mobile computer computer or are you on [TS]

00:47:33   iPads when you're running around I'm on [TS]

00:47:35   iPads when I'm running around but I want [TS]

00:47:37   to say something about this virtual the [TS]

00:47:39   all screen keyboard patent thing so like [TS]

00:47:42   Apple does a lot of different patents [TS]

00:47:45   for everything right so it's not like [TS]

00:47:46   super important that they did this one [TS]

00:47:48   because they're doing weird patents all [TS]

00:47:50   the time for different things that they [TS]

00:47:51   think of which is as they should a smart [TS]

00:47:53   business move but what if I didn't read [TS]

00:47:56   this article because I'm you know I'm [TS]

00:47:58   not allowed to prepare for the show [TS]

00:47:59   you're filling the marco role I asked [TS]

00:48:03   him and he was like no no yeah nothing [TS]

00:48:05   to read it's fine but so I use a kind of [TS]

00:48:09   like a skin on the top of my keyboard [TS]

00:48:11   now which has photoshop shortcuts on it [TS]

00:48:13   and generally the shortcuts that I use [TS]

00:48:16   the most I don't need a keyboard for but [TS]

00:48:19   the ones that are kind of more obscure I [TS]

00:48:21   do use it and it's nice to have that [TS]

00:48:23   reference without having to look up a [TS]

00:48:25   guide online to find out what is the [TS]

00:48:28   shortcut for a certain obscure tool that [TS]

00:48:30   I'm just not used to using that I want [TS]

00:48:31   to try out but a virtual keyboard kind [TS]

00:48:34   of oh not virtual because it's you know [TS]

00:48:36   there is a physical pad [TS]

00:48:38   there but it would be kind of an all [TS]

00:48:40   screen digital keyboard and that like [TS]

00:48:41   you can kind of have those layouts [TS]

00:48:44   built-in in the software you know you [TS]

00:48:47   could just like swap them in and out I [TS]

00:48:48   think that would be kind of cool [TS]

00:48:49   wouldn't it app to tiff yeah I mean if [TS]

00:48:55   you remember what episode 193 but that's [TS]

00:48:57   kind of what we talked about like it was [TS]

00:48:59   the original pitch for our Steve Jobs up [TS]

00:49:02   on the iPhone it's like okay well you [TS]

00:49:03   got a keyboard on your thing but then [TS]

00:49:05   like the keyboard is what the keyboard [TS]

00:49:06   is but what if you could change the [TS]

00:49:09   keyboard based on the application you're [TS]

00:49:10   using like if you just make this the [TS]

00:49:12   entire front of the phone is screen it's [TS]

00:49:14   you know it's much more configurable [TS]

00:49:16   they demoed that in the original iPhones [TS]

00:49:18   like look when we when we ask you to [TS]

00:49:19   enter numbers we'll just change the [TS]

00:49:20   whole keyboard to a numpad and when [TS]

00:49:23   you're entering just letters we could [TS]

00:49:24   save room and not have and we have like [TS]

00:49:25   a key to toggle you know we all know [TS]

00:49:27   this from using iOS we're like we don't [TS]

00:49:29   have to have the numbers above the [TS]

00:49:30   letters all the time taking up more room [TS]

00:49:32   on them what was then the very small [TS]

00:49:33   iPhone screen we can just not have a [TS]

00:49:35   number at all and then you want to type [TS]

00:49:36   numbers hit this little thing in the [TS]

00:49:37   corner and then the whole keyboard [TS]

00:49:38   changes the numbers that's like the most [TS]

00:49:40   simple form of that someone you're [TS]

00:49:41   talking about is like like when you have [TS]

00:49:43   a screen you could put anything you want [TS]

00:49:44   there it doesn't even have to look [TS]

00:49:45   anything like a keyboard it could be [TS]

00:49:47   like this pallet of buttons that you can [TS]

00:49:50   hit to do Photoshop e-type things like [TS]

00:49:53   it keep the layout of a standard [TS]

00:49:56   keyboard because that's the way people [TS]

00:49:57   learn and are used to typing right [TS]

00:49:59   because like old people write old people [TS]

00:50:01   but like you know in general like that's [TS]

00:50:03   where the its laid out that way for a [TS]

00:50:06   reason I guess I don't know I [TS]

00:50:08   CGP grey talking about some sort of [TS]

00:50:10   weirdo keyboard that he uses but I mean [TS]

00:50:12   again yes why I mean looking at my [TS]

00:50:17   keyboard right now with this floppy skin [TS]

00:50:19   on it that gets a whole bunch of crud [TS]

00:50:21   underneath and it just it's all pasty I [TS]

00:50:24   don't know it's it's not a pretty [TS]

00:50:25   solution I mean everything's laid out [TS]

00:50:27   similar but it has the shortcuts written [TS]

00:50:29   on top of them and it would be really [TS]

00:50:31   nice to kind of have that transparency [TS]

00:50:32   layer be in a digital format instead and [TS]

00:50:36   then be able to switch back to see a [TS]

00:50:37   normal keyboard instead of revealing the [TS]

00:50:39   crud covered keys that now live [TS]

00:50:41   underneath this floppy skin that's like [TS]

00:50:43   the transitional model because people [TS]

00:50:44   who have been using a physical keyboard [TS]

00:50:46   to use Photoshop for a long time have [TS]

00:50:47   muscle memory for where the key [TS]

00:50:49   shortcuts are for [TS]

00:50:50   the commonly used ones for example right [TS]

00:50:52   and so if you oh yeah the common ones [TS]

00:50:53   but that I'm talking about like you know [TS]

00:50:55   some of the obscure stuff yeah no but [TS]

00:50:57   I'm saying I'm saying like that's that's [TS]

00:50:58   the reason why you display a virtual [TS]

00:50:59   keyboard on the screen instead of [TS]

00:51:01   something you know [TS]

00:51:02   more sort of like thinking outside the [TS]

00:51:05   box that because you're not limited by a [TS]

00:51:06   physical keyboard anymore you can [TS]

00:51:07   display anything you want down there it [TS]

00:51:09   could be like a custom palette made for [TS]

00:51:11   manipulating Photoshop really quickly [TS]

00:51:12   but because people are coming from a [TS]

00:51:14   world where they're using Photoshop on [TS]

00:51:16   PCs and things with regular keyboards [TS]

00:51:17   they would probably want a layout that [TS]

00:51:20   mimics a physical keyboard only with [TS]

00:51:22   like you said with the overlay on [TS]

00:51:23   forever but eventually I'd have to think [TS]

00:51:24   that all of us would die out and I'd be [TS]

00:51:27   like well why am i why am i showing you [TS]

00:51:28   a picture of a physical keyboard down [TS]

00:51:30   there when what you really want is a you [TS]

00:51:33   know a custom control layout made [TS]

00:51:36   specifically for using photoshop most [TS]

00:51:38   efficiently perhaps that you could even [TS]

00:51:39   rearrange themselves just becomes [TS]

00:51:40   another it just becomes another piece of [TS]

00:51:41   software in the same way they'll let you [TS]

00:51:42   rearrange all like your sidebars and [TS]

00:51:44   your layers palette and all that other [TS]

00:51:45   stuff and dock things to each other and [TS]

00:51:47   customize in that way the bottom the the [TS]

00:51:51   screen that is horizontal is just [TS]

00:51:53   another version of the screen that is [TS]

00:51:54   vertical and you should be able to lay [TS]

00:51:55   it out the same way even to the point [TS]

00:51:56   where that could be the surface that [TS]

00:51:57   you're drawing with your pencil instead [TS]

00:51:58   of drawing on your vertical screen [TS]

00:52:00   laptop which would never work we're just [TS]

00:52:01   talking about the multi pad lifestyle [TS]

00:52:02   here right essentially you just put two [TS]

00:52:05   iPads next to each other and like you [TS]

00:52:07   know communicate didn't they have like a [TS]

00:52:08   shuffleboard app that you could like [TS]

00:52:10   string them all up and you get throw [TS]

00:52:11   them throw the pucks to right across [TS]

00:52:14   Lincoln for iPhones anymore when I set [TS]

00:52:16   that up once it was pretty sweet but [TS]

00:52:17   yeah that's basically what this is right [TS]

00:52:19   but in a laptop yeah well that doesn't [TS]

00:52:22   say I'm it's just a pattern right but [TS]

00:52:23   you know they they try to cover all [TS]

00:52:25   their bases like you know could be a [TS]

00:52:26   tablet it could be a personal convey [TS]

00:52:29   their all vague about it right that's [TS]

00:52:30   the thing with patents but there's lots [TS]

00:52:32   of possibilities here of you know [TS]

00:52:34   applying second-screen [TS]

00:52:37   to a thing that Apple makes whether it's [TS]

00:52:40   an iPad with a second screen that snaps [TS]

00:52:42   on to it or a laptop thing or you know [TS]

00:52:44   both and you can snap it onto either one [TS]

00:52:46   with little magnets or something or they [TS]

00:52:47   just never do anything like this and you [TS]

00:52:49   know we'll see yeah I can get excited [TS]

00:52:51   get behind this I can get excited about [TS]

00:52:52   it that sounds kind of fun so so you [TS]

00:52:54   don't have it you don't have a hang-ups [TS]

00:52:55   about typing on it because like say it [TS]

00:52:57   was on like a laptop or something like [TS]

00:52:58   the reason people usually buy physical [TS]

00:53:00   keyboards for their iPads this two [TS]

00:53:01   reasons one is [TS]

00:53:03   I want to have something they can type [TS]

00:53:05   on it's not a screen but the second one [TS]

00:53:06   I feel like people forget is having a [TS]

00:53:09   separate keyboard and iPad frees up the [TS]

00:53:11   entire iPad screen for screen purposes [TS]

00:53:14   yeah I'm seeing the benefit and having [TS]

00:53:16   the screen the double screen space so if [TS]

00:53:17   you're doing any kind of even if you're [TS]

00:53:19   drawing or typing or doing anything the [TS]

00:53:21   screen space in front of you is precious [TS]

00:53:23   and you don't want to take half that up [TS]

00:53:25   with some keyboard that you're typing on [TS]

00:53:27   but no I type a lot of my phone I don't [TS]

00:53:31   think really matters anymore is that [TS]

00:53:33   working for you [TS]

00:53:34   seriously yes I mean I don't type a lot [TS]

00:53:37   it is so bad for me [TS]

00:53:38   but I don't type a lot I mean I answer [TS]

00:53:41   some emails and even long emails I sit [TS]

00:53:44   and I type them out on my phone because [TS]

00:53:45   it's easier being mobile with it then [TS]

00:53:47   coming back and sitting at my computer I [TS]

00:53:49   guess it's a KC problem that's things [TS]

00:53:53   we've discussed in the past of how some [TS]

00:53:56   people really don't like typing on glass [TS]

00:53:57   but a whole generation of people growing [TS]

00:53:59   up typing on glass and they're not gonna [TS]

00:54:00   have the same hang-ups about it that [TS]

00:54:02   some of us do I feel fine I feel more [TS]

00:54:04   fine about young-at-heart I am I'm the [TS]

00:54:06   youngest right here right now so I mean [TS]

00:54:08   come on I like I like a couple of months [TS]

00:54:10   or something yeah I'm millennial man I [TS]

00:54:12   like to think about it I don't like to [TS]

00:54:14   think about people born in the 80s [TS]

00:54:16   grouse love you too Johnny oh goodness [TS]

00:54:21   no I don't know about this this patent I [TS]

00:54:24   mean I'd try anything and just like you [TS]

00:54:26   guys the idea of having another screen [TS]

00:54:28   that's modifiable to suit to suit your [TS]

00:54:31   needs or suit the needs of what's going [TS]

00:54:32   on right then does sound good I never [TS]

00:54:35   really played was it the 3ds that had [TS]

00:54:37   the the to screen setup is that right no [TS]

00:54:39   yes [TS]

00:54:40   so does okay I never really played one [TS]

00:54:42   of those for more than like two minutes [TS]

00:54:44   and it seemed kind of silly in the two [TS]

00:54:46   minutes I played it but I'm sure that [TS]

00:54:48   there were plenty of games where it [TS]

00:54:49   actually made a lot of sense I don't [TS]

00:54:51   know how to try it I'm not great at [TS]

00:54:53   typing on glass I'm better on a [TS]

00:54:54   full-size iPad which is funny because I [TS]

00:54:57   don't have a full-size iPad in the house [TS]

00:54:58   but I mean I'd give it a shot but man I [TS]

00:55:01   can't imagine I would want especially [TS]

00:55:03   for a full on computer I I would enjoy [TS]

00:55:06   having glass as my only input mechanism [TS]

00:55:09   what was that projection keyboard from [TS]

00:55:10   like Microsoft that never worked there [TS]

00:55:13   was some sharper image I think I know [TS]

00:55:14   she's thinking into a Microsoft Store [TS]

00:55:16   when [TS]

00:55:17   had Adam was young enough to be strapped [TS]

00:55:18   to me you know like like in a little [TS]

00:55:20   harness thing that you wear when you [TS]

00:55:22   wear your babies and we were in a [TS]

00:55:24   Microsoft Store typing on some sort of [TS]

00:55:26   like projected keyboard yeah they still [TS]

00:55:28   make those that that's that I feel like [TS]

00:55:30   is even worse than the screen ones [TS]

00:55:31   because then never quite worked as well [TS]

00:55:32   as even a screen keyboard would well [TS]

00:55:35   yeah and you couldn't see it too well [TS]

00:55:36   either it wasn't it wasn't great oh yeah [TS]

00:55:38   yeah all right so before we do ask ATP [TS]

00:55:41   we're going to do a brief ask TI FF and [TS]

00:55:45   I'm assuming that this was mostly John's [TS]

00:55:47   work that I'm now taking credit for but [TS]

00:55:49   I will MC and let John take over as soon [TS]

00:55:52   as he sees it necessary TIFF what's your [TS]

00:55:55   favorite tech product right now these [TS]

00:55:57   questions I mean come on dudes tech [TS]

00:56:00   podcasts all right my favorite tech [TS]

00:56:08   product right now I would have to say is [TS]

00:56:10   the switch because I've been playing it [TS]

00:56:13   constantly so go switch you playing yet [TS]

00:56:16   handheld there on the TV mostly TV with [TS]

00:56:19   the pro controller yep the proper way [TS]

00:56:23   but I put stickers on the pro [TS]

00:56:25   controllers oh well this the dog sticker [TS]

00:56:30   is on the main the little joy con set a [TS]

00:56:33   holder thing yeah that make when it [TS]

00:56:35   actually looks like a little dog but on [TS]

00:56:37   the back of all of our pro controllers [TS]

00:56:39   we each have kind of like our own [TS]

00:56:40   sticker so each family member has their [TS]

00:56:43   own controller you know I do still love [TS]

00:56:45   my switch but I almost I feel like I [TS]

00:56:47   never have time to play it and the part [TS]

00:56:50   of the problem I have with the switch is [TS]

00:56:52   that I've only made it I would guess [TS]

00:56:54   like a quarter of the way through Zelda [TS]

00:56:56   you despite having had it for months now [TS]

00:56:58   oh my god and I feel like it's so hard [TS]

00:57:00   and maybe this is maybe it's me but it's [TS]

00:57:02   hard for me to pick it up play it for [TS]

00:57:05   like 10 or 15 minutes put it back down [TS]

00:57:07   and then remember what the crap I was [TS]

00:57:08   working on the next day when I pick it [TS]

00:57:10   up again like it Zelda is not the kind [TS]

00:57:11   of game that you just pick up and play [TS]

00:57:14   for 10 or 15 minutes and put down it [TS]

00:57:15   totally is you just haven't here's the [TS]

00:57:17   thing it is that type of game especially [TS]

00:57:19   this Elders of having but the problem is [TS]

00:57:20   that you have not because you don't do [TS]

00:57:22   any you don't have to do anything it's [TS]

00:57:23   so that's fair yeah but the thing is [TS]

00:57:25   like you haven't the game hasn't grabbed [TS]

00:57:27   you like that's the problem like visit [TS]

00:57:28   if the game grabbed you the way it works [TS]

00:57:30   like when you [TS]

00:57:31   you know showing that you can dip into [TS]

00:57:32   it is yeah you only have 15 minutes so [TS]

00:57:34   you dip into it and do a thing but if [TS]

00:57:36   the game has actually grabbed you have [TS]

00:57:37   really gotten your attention all the [TS]

00:57:39   while you're not playing you're thinking [TS]

00:57:40   about here's what I'm doing the next [TS]

00:57:42   time I play I'm gonna go over here I'm [TS]

00:57:43   gonna do this thing in the name of that [TS]

00:57:44   thing maybe I think about it like you're [TS]

00:57:46   thinking about it you're thinking about [TS]

00:57:47   this place this virtual place mm-hmm you [TS]

00:57:49   know even when you're not there even if [TS]

00:57:52   you don't get grabbed in that way when [TS]

00:57:53   you come back and we'll be like okay [TS]

00:57:55   reboot everything where the hell was I [TS]

00:57:58   in this game because you haven't been [TS]

00:57:59   thinking about it since then so it's not [TS]

00:58:00   I don't think it's a the game doesn't [TS]

00:58:01   allow you to play in short spurts it's [TS]

00:58:03   just that it hasn't really got its hooks [TS]

00:58:04   into you it's just not connecting with [TS]

00:58:06   you or whatever yeah when I was very [TS]

00:58:08   into Odyssey I could sit down and play [TS]

00:58:11   Odyssey for like 10 minutes get one moon [TS]

00:58:14   and then shut it off you know like I [TS]

00:58:17   would be like oh I'm just gonna do this [TS]

00:58:18   real quick cuz and the same thing with [TS]

00:58:20   Zelda too you could just play a quick [TS]

00:58:23   little temple and be like alright it's [TS]

00:58:24   gonna be this simple and then I'm just [TS]

00:58:26   gonna shut it off and I'm gonna go do [TS]

00:58:28   something else yeah and maybe that's [TS]

00:58:29   part of the problem in and now I'm [TS]

00:58:31   showing my inability to play games but I [TS]

00:58:33   feel like I got all of the temples that [TS]

00:58:35   were easily accessible so like none of [TS]

00:58:37   this so I did you try this please like I [TS]

00:58:39   can't allow this to continue [TS]

00:58:40   sorry thank you I went through the all [TS]

00:58:43   the shrines you must now do ten push-ups [TS]

00:58:49   no I I went to all in I do too I went to [TS]

00:58:51   all the shrines that that were easily [TS]

00:58:53   accessible and now all that remains that [TS]

00:58:56   I can see anyway are like in the super [TS]

00:58:59   hot lava area or like the super cold [TS]

00:59:01   Tundra area oh all the shrines they were [TS]

00:59:03   easily accessible can you put a number [TS]

00:59:05   on that for us please [TS]

00:59:06   I honestly don't remember I can you know [TS]

00:59:08   my gosh there's so many you can't even [TS]

00:59:09   find them all that's probably the thing [TS]

00:59:11   is I'm not exploring the right areas [TS]

00:59:13   hold on let me see if my switches even [TS]

00:59:14   sure you know how to do shrines at all [TS]

00:59:15   you know I'm just don't reassurance like [TS]

00:59:17   that's the thing about the Zelda like it [TS]

00:59:20   you know just like maybe you just want [TS]

00:59:21   to get that you're the best horse you [TS]

00:59:23   can get right you could spend hours just [TS]

00:59:25   fine oh you you got to get a lot of you [TS]

00:59:28   got to get a lot of donut to get the [TS]

00:59:29   best horse you can get let me tell you [TS]

00:59:30   you know one thing that is really nice [TS]

00:59:32   that I like about having my macbook is I [TS]

00:59:37   just ripped the power charger cable II [TS]

00:59:39   thing out of my macbook slammed it into [TS]

00:59:41   the switch and unfortunately it's like [TS]

00:59:44   any mod [TS]

00:59:44   an iOS device in that it needs to be at [TS]

00:59:46   least slightly charged even if it's [TS]

00:59:47   hooked up to power to turn it on but [TS]

00:59:50   just grabbing my computer's power cord [TS]

00:59:52   and putting it into my video game [TS]

00:59:54   systems power cord that's pretty cool [TS]

00:59:56   wait you just did that right now yeah [TS]

00:59:58   wait why is the switch in your own [TS]

00:59:58   wait why is the switch in your own [TS]

01:00:00   profess because it's I never play it on [TS]

01:00:02   the TV sorry guys and to be honest I [TS]

01:00:04   never really played at all even though I [TS]

01:00:06   do enjoy it it's not that I enjoy it [TS]

01:00:07   really any less I just never have to [TS]

01:00:08   have a chance that's why you're not [TS]

01:00:10   playing because it's not in like the hub [TS]

01:00:12   of the house it's not in the enjoyment [TS]

01:00:14   Center he's just not that into it as [TS]

01:00:21   they like one of the great things about [TS]

01:00:25   the switch you know yeah especially for [TS]

01:00:28   for you know strug gaming sessions is [TS]

01:00:30   that of all the gaming things I have [TS]

01:00:32   ever known [TS]

01:00:33   it is the fastest from powering on to [TS]

01:00:37   picking up where you left off now right [TS]

01:00:38   is not it's not an MMO or whatever but [TS]

01:00:41   you turn that thing back on and you are [TS]

01:00:43   the exact millisecond you were in Zelda [TS]

01:00:45   yeah that's no boot screen no spinners [TS]

01:00:50   no cursors no you know no anything [TS]

01:00:52   I wish destiny did that obviously you [TS]

01:00:55   can't because of online stuff but that [TS]

01:00:57   makes it so easy to just dip in run do a [TS]

01:00:59   thing grab a thing fight a person put it [TS]

01:01:02   back to sleep and then just pick up [TS]

01:01:03   right where you left off you can even be [TS]

01:01:05   a total monster and play half of a mario [TS]

01:01:06   kart race and then unpause it and then [TS]

01:01:09   come back and pick it up although I [TS]

01:01:11   would that's that's the thing about that [TS]

01:01:13   I do it sometimes without those [TS]

01:01:14   adventure and all those Odyssey now when [TS]

01:01:16   you're having a long session and you [TS]

01:01:18   think you're doing well sometimes you [TS]

01:01:20   think I should take a break now because [TS]

01:01:22   I'm closer I'm approaching my record and [TS]

01:01:24   if I take a break I will reset all the [TS]

01:01:26   goodness and I'll come back to this [TS]

01:01:27   later when I'm you know what I haven't [TS]

01:01:29   like burned through my attention or [TS]

01:01:31   whatever on the other hand you might [TS]

01:01:33   come back to it and you're not in the [TS]

01:01:34   groove anymore so knowing when it's a [TS]

01:01:37   smart time to take a break and how long [TS]

01:01:39   that break should be John you have to [TS]

01:01:41   know when to hold them and know and [TS]

01:01:44   totally true I found with Aalto that it [TS]

01:01:47   is useful to take a break but it cannot [TS]

01:01:49   be a very long way because I don't want [TS]

01:01:51   to get out of the flow but sometimes I [TS]

01:01:52   do want to release whatever tension I [TS]

01:01:53   feel like is building up also my problem [TS]

01:01:55   with all Alto and house Odyssey and [TS]

01:01:58   adventure is that eventually when you [TS]

01:02:00   good your games start lasting a really [TS]

01:02:02   long time and it's like do I have 45 [TS]

01:02:04   minutes to play Alto [TS]

01:02:06   maybe not 45 minutes just sit there and [TS]

01:02:08   do nothing that sounds I'm amazing I'm [TS]

01:02:10   doing nothing I'm going downhill you [TS]

01:02:12   know what I mean I don't mean that I [TS]

01:02:14   don't mean that in a disparaging way I'm [TS]

01:02:15   just saying like to just have 45 minutes [TS]

01:02:17   I go I go that way really fast something [TS]

01:02:20   gets in my way I turn an 80s reference [TS]

01:02:25   for you 90s kids yeah I got nothing I [TS]

01:02:29   know I'm playing Marco so I don't get it [TS]

01:02:31   you're doing what you're doing great [TS]

01:02:32   thanks a favorite tectonics the switch [TS]

01:02:34   what tech thing is TIFF most looking [TS]

01:02:37   forward to in 2018 I'm looking forward [TS]

01:02:40   to getting Marcos computer after he's [TS]

01:02:44   done that's good all right yeah after [TS]

01:02:48   he's done or you mean all right so I [TS]

01:02:50   think more accurately be after he [TS]

01:02:52   decides to buy the Mac Pro hmm you're [TS]

01:02:54   gonna take his computer and then when he [TS]

01:02:55   returns the Mac Pro you're not giving it [TS]

01:02:57   back right [TS]

01:02:58   I am definitely buying the Mac Pro we [TS]

01:03:01   know we know computer man hey everyone [TS]

01:03:03   this is like me definitely not buying [TS]

01:03:06   the watch everyone knows you're buying a [TS]

01:03:08   Mac Pro all right if you could change [TS]

01:03:10   what I'm not asking this this is a yes [TS]

01:03:12   no it's tech related the dating game [TS]

01:03:19   yeah so this question did make Whoopie [TS]

01:03:24   in the but you can change if you could [TS]

01:03:29   change one tech related thing about [TS]

01:03:31   Marco what would it be like this is [TS]

01:03:35   safer because it's tech related we're [TS]

01:03:36   not asking you to like critique him as [TS]

01:03:37   his being one tech related thing about [TS]

01:03:40   Marco what would it be if I could change [TS]

01:03:42   one tech related thing about Marco what [TS]

01:03:45   would it be it can be like a thing that [TS]

01:03:47   he does with tech that you don't like a [TS]

01:03:49   product that he has that you wish he [TS]

01:03:50   didn't like anything anything tech [TS]

01:03:52   related I wish he would play games a [TS]

01:03:55   little bit more but then I would have [TS]

01:03:58   less time to play game to player co-op [TS]

01:04:02   games yeah yeah well we play dumb [TS]

01:04:05   Digital Marco what was that one where [TS]

01:04:08   you're under the bunker and we played it [TS]

01:04:09   like back and forth Shadow Complex [TS]

01:04:12   yeah Shadow Complex that was fun when we [TS]

01:04:14   did that and we had [TS]

01:04:15   and things you kind of you do you're [TS]

01:04:18   kind of not co-op playing but like [TS]

01:04:21   backseat driver playing okay now can ya [TS]

01:04:24   over-the-shoulder playing with eachother [TS]

01:04:25   stardew valley [TS]

01:04:26   we're like when the one person is play [TS]

01:04:28   the other person is advising yeah yeah [TS]

01:04:29   we did that we did that for Odyssey two [TS]

01:04:32   a little bit well it was more I advised [TS]

01:04:34   Marco or laughed when he totally missed [TS]

01:04:36   stuff like The Good Wife that I am but [TS]

01:04:41   no that's tout is a terrible answer I [TS]

01:04:43   don't know it's pretty good I mean [TS]

01:04:45   that's tech related you wish he played [TS]

01:04:46   games for I mean he's so supportive when [TS]

01:04:48   it comes to getting technology stuff all [TS]

01:04:51   set up for me or if I needed help with [TS]

01:04:53   anything he doesn't get mad if I need [TS]

01:04:56   extra help but I'm asking you to say the [TS]

01:04:57   good things about him yeah he's great I [TS]

01:05:00   don't know I am the best alright I'd [TS]

01:05:03   take away that whatever he's using right [TS]

01:05:05   now I would take that away from him he [TS]

01:05:08   should not be allowed to have this it's [TS]

01:05:10   freaking me out good just tell him to [TS]

01:05:12   pass a different argument to the voice [TS]

01:05:15   parameters of the command he's running [TS]

01:05:16   he can pick a different voice he just [TS]

01:05:17   keeps picking the default thread one [TS]

01:05:18   which is boring yeah you should [TS]

01:05:20   definitely pick the sexy Australian Siri [TS]

01:05:23   voice because that one's pretty good [TS]

01:05:25   alright and I would ask the next [TS]

01:05:27   question but I have no idea what it [TS]

01:05:28   means so go ahead John well I put that [TS]

01:05:30   in there okay you don't say it's fine [TS]

01:05:35   okay so you know how there there's so [TS]

01:05:37   many different companies now that gather [TS]

01:05:40   or collaborate a box that they send you [TS]

01:05:42   and you can get like a a quarterly box [TS]

01:05:45   or a weekly boxer of whatever things [TS]

01:05:48   well pusheen the little grey internet [TS]

01:05:52   cat and has a box and it's stupid [TS]

01:05:56   expensive and it comes quarterly but it [TS]

01:05:59   does look pretty cute so I've kind of [TS]

01:06:01   been debating about it so what's in it [TS]

01:06:03   I'm not i'm familiar with machine i'm [TS]

01:06:05   not familiar with the box idea well it's [TS]

01:06:07   just a whole bunch of merch like the [TS]

01:06:12   best way to describe it in like the [TS]

01:06:13   cheesiest way possible because it is [TS]

01:06:15   it's just like here's some pusheen socks [TS]

01:06:18   and a little vinyl figure and i don't [TS]

01:06:21   know like a towel and a printed turban I [TS]

01:06:25   don't know like there's like all kinds [TS]

01:06:27   of weird stuff in there that you get [TS]

01:06:29   and so it's like you don't get to pick [TS]

01:06:30   so it's kind of like a surprise we're [TS]

01:06:32   like I wonder what I'll get yeah it's [TS]

01:06:34   like a curated collection of pusheen [TS]

01:06:37   paraphernalia does the box cost more or [TS]

01:06:40   less than the sum of the retail prices [TS]

01:06:42   of things it contains [TS]

01:06:43   well less that's usually the appeal of [TS]

01:06:45   the whole box situation but they say you [TS]

01:06:48   know it's $100 value for only 60 90 [TS]

01:06:51   million or so since this is this is a [TS]

01:06:54   question that you are asking about [TS]

01:06:56   yourself my answer based on the the [TS]

01:06:59   experience seeing my children have way [TS]

01:07:04   too many possessions yeah is that you [TS]

01:07:06   really it's not so much about whether [TS]

01:07:08   the box will be exciting it's about what [TS]

01:07:10   happens with the stuff that's in the box [TS]

01:07:12   after because you will rapidly run out [TS]

01:07:14   of places to display things no matter [TS]

01:07:16   how cute they are Dan that's it that's [TS]

01:07:18   the answer I needed so it's no no - the [TS]

01:07:21   pusheen box I will just enjoy it on [TS]

01:07:23   Instagram plus you got you got a whole [TS]

01:07:25   new art room and all your gonna be [TS]

01:07:26   funded with art junk so there's you [TS]

01:07:28   playing boxes of stuff yeah enough to [TS]

01:07:31   fill my art room it's it's a good idea [TS]

01:07:34   not to invest in the proofing box thank [TS]

01:07:36   you that really did help actually see [TS]

01:07:39   this is the opposite of the advice Marco [TS]

01:07:41   gives because with almost all things [TS]

01:07:42   Marco's advice is oh yeah definitely [TS]

01:07:44   buying well now Marco is free to get her [TS]

01:07:46   one of those boxes for a special [TS]

01:07:47   occasion because she wouldn't have [TS]

01:07:48   bought it for herself but now here's a [TS]

01:07:49   box but an ongoing commitment to [TS]

01:07:51   continual boxes you around stuff oh no [TS]

01:07:54   no I wasn't gonna commit to the whole [TS]

01:07:56   like yearly box situation I was just [TS]

01:07:58   thinking for spring you know like Easter [TS]

01:08:00   Bunny situation treat yo'self you can [TS]

01:08:02   get what you can get one box I feel like [TS]

01:08:03   but be careful because one box don't [TS]

01:08:05   know I don't see what I'm just gonna [TS]

01:08:07   open it and then it's gonna be over so I [TS]

01:08:09   might as well as watch a video of [TS]

01:08:10   somebody opening it like you'd get the [TS]

01:08:12   same thrill there you go now you'd be [TS]

01:08:14   like every other you know seven-year-old [TS]

01:08:16   kid who watches and disembodied hands [TS]

01:08:19   silently silently unbox things on [TS]

01:08:20   YouTube for hours and hours and making [TS]

01:08:21   people millionaires yeah why not spread [TS]

01:08:24   the wealth where do I figure where do I [TS]

01:08:26   figure out how many shrines I have on [TS]

01:08:30   the loading screen and upper right oh [TS]

01:08:32   god I wasn't paying attention in the [TS]

01:08:33   hood it was it was something like he was [TS]

01:08:36   20 some shrines which I'm sure is where [TS]

01:08:38   you go oh my god [TS]

01:08:41   you're not a quarter you're a baby oh my [TS]

01:08:43   goodness [TS]

01:08:44   sorry I do have the elephant dude what [TS]

01:08:46   is that called the divine beast yeah I [TS]

01:08:50   just had to draw a whole bunch of those [TS]

01:08:52   for Adam he kept requesting them for his [TS]

01:08:54   lunchbox notes and I'm like look I need [TS]

01:08:57   like two days to draw a divine beast kid [TS]

01:08:59   like I can't whip that out in the [TS]

01:09:00   morning in like 20 minutes [TS]

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01:10:57   all right Jimmy bossy bossy Buffett [TS]

01:11:01   Jimmy bow say Jimmy rights in maxout [TS]

01:11:05   hearts our stamina I'm assuming this is [TS]

01:11:07   a video game thing I'm assuming about [TS]

01:11:08   Zelda is it not yeah this is actually [TS]

01:11:13   relevant to my interests if I ever get [TS]

01:11:15   back to this game so Marco Irv's does [TS]

01:11:17   Marco cheesy Peas the insane Marco and [TS]

01:11:19   John so TIFF and John what do you [TS]

01:11:23   recommend let's start with TIFF I'm [TS]

01:11:24   gonna go with stamina aka donut which [TS]

01:11:27   Adam calls it donut but Marco insists [TS]

01:11:29   that he came up with the name but it's [TS]

01:11:31   really cute and we call it the donut I [TS]

01:11:33   definitely think donut because the more [TS]

01:11:35   stamina you have the more you can [TS]

01:11:37   explore and then you can get hearts [TS]

01:11:40   later [TS]

01:11:40   so stamina is way more important to max [TS]

01:11:43   out first I think this is a choice that [TS]

01:11:45   people put on themselves like with these [TS]

01:11:46   extremes here max out hearts or stamina [TS]

01:11:48   so like long-term obviously you're gonna [TS]

01:11:50   max out both right that's your you know [TS]

01:11:53   if you just keep playing the game it's [TS]

01:11:54   gonna happen people really want to know [TS]

01:11:55   is early in the early game where should [TS]

01:11:58   you put your points essentially and my [TS]

01:12:01   experience I know there's a lot of [TS]

01:12:03   people who say oh just put everything in [TS]

01:12:04   to stand up but like breath of the wild [TS]

01:12:07   is you're more likely to die in breath [TS]

01:12:10   of the wild than you are and a lot of [TS]

01:12:12   recent Zelda's because they took start [TS]

01:12:14   you weak and because there's no sort of [TS]

01:12:16   guided path through the game you can [TS]

01:12:17   find yourself encountering enemies that [TS]

01:12:19   want to kill you and so I don't feel [TS]

01:12:22   like it's good advice to tell somebody [TS]

01:12:24   just put everything into stamina if you [TS]

01:12:26   want to do like like a recipe like a two [TS]

01:12:28   to one ratio like two in stamina one in [TS]

01:12:30   hearts two and stamina one of hearts [TS]

01:12:32   just pick like a pattern like that that [TS]

01:12:34   has some reasonable balance and go with [TS]

01:12:36   it I do agree that if you have to wait [TS]

01:12:39   one wait stamina more than you think you [TS]

01:12:41   should wait hearts but I'm hesitant to [TS]

01:12:43   tell people put everything into stamina [TS]

01:12:44   because you will die alot and I feel [TS]

01:12:46   like that is just as frustrating it's [TS]

01:12:48   not being able to climb a hill but I'm [TS]

01:12:49   super into climbing and also by the way [TS]

01:12:52   you could you'll max out stamina long [TS]

01:12:53   before you max out your heart so if you [TS]

01:12:55   do this two to one ratio or any kind of [TS]

01:12:56   thing that favor stamina you will max [TS]

01:12:58   out your stamina and you'll feel sad [TS]

01:13:00   you're like really that's all I can get [TS]

01:13:01   yeah that's all you can get and then [TS]

01:13:02   you'll just spend orbiting and then [TS]

01:13:03   you'll get upset yes [TS]

01:13:05   yeah I agree with John you are taking [TS]

01:13:08   that in a much more you know delicate [TS]

01:13:12   and poetic way but I this is my life [TS]

01:13:17   dudas tavataan John is like well [TS]

01:13:21   actually let me eloquently tell you [TS]

01:13:24   exactly did not say well I actually [TS]

01:13:26   defend myself but yes I agree with you [TS]

01:13:29   John that you should do a little bit [TS]

01:13:32   here a little bit there but more stamina [TS]

01:13:34   is better so get a good recipe going [TS]

01:13:36   Bryan Middleton writes what arcade games [TS]

01:13:38   are each of you nostalgic for from your [TS]

01:13:40   childhood is there one game that you [TS]

01:13:41   would like to own and this time let's [TS]

01:13:43   start with John and I actually have [TS]

01:13:44   answers for this thank you very much but [TS]

01:13:45   we'll start with John I was trying to [TS]

01:13:48   think of this like so the one game I are [TS]

01:13:51   gonna easier but like games nostalgia [TS]

01:13:52   for there's so many I did spend a lot of [TS]

01:13:55   time in arcades as a kid I have mine do [TS]

01:13:59   you want to think about it uh yeah good [TS]

01:14:01   I mean I'm probably not gonna pick one [TS]

01:14:03   was this on top for about you but if [TS]

01:14:04   you're you're you should be definitely a [TS]

01:14:06   man so you go okay skeeball it's totally [TS]

01:14:11   dark a game I know they said Arkady game [TS]

01:14:13   in that video game yes they did the [TS]

01:14:14   arcade even up video game totally people [TS]

01:14:17   and I would love to own a skee-ball [TS]

01:14:19   saying in my house that would be awesome [TS]

01:14:21   that's what you're nice I'll check for [TS]

01:14:22   from your childhood as well yeah I play [TS]

01:14:25   skee-ball [TS]

01:14:25   all the time as a kid every time when to [TS]

01:14:27   arcades that's what I would play TIFF [TS]

01:14:29   you should listen to this show called [TS]

01:14:30   top 4 where the rules really don't mat [TS]

01:14:32   and matter and the points and rankings [TS]

01:14:33   are all made up because that was a very [TS]

01:14:35   top four answer to that I know top four [TS]

01:14:37   arcade games no we already know my top [TS]

01:14:40   one so yeah I would you do top four [TS]

01:14:43   video games then you don't have we [TS]

01:14:45   already did that the first episode man [TS]

01:14:50   but you have to revisit it because now [TS]

01:14:52   has been so many new games come out I [TS]

01:14:53   know yeah we have to do it top four [TS]

01:14:55   mistakes you but you hadn't even played [TS]

01:14:58   star do at that point you end play [TS]

01:14:59   mariotta see I know and I made the big [TS]

01:15:01   mistake of not putting journey on there [TS]

01:15:02   so it's all coming back to me now now I [TS]

01:15:05   have blocked it out for me these these [TS]

01:15:08   answers are truly and utterly terrible [TS]

01:15:10   but I don't care because they're my [TS]

01:15:12   answers [TS]

01:15:12   what would I love to have we actually do [TS]

01:15:14   have a pinball machine in the house but [TS]

01:15:16   but it's true I've seen it it is it is [TS]

01:15:19   old it's older than I am [TS]

01:15:21   probably not older than John heyo but [TS]

01:15:23   anyway I would love to have either [TS]

01:15:27   Street Fighter 2 which is actually an [TS]

01:15:29   okay answer or cruisin USA which is a [TS]

01:15:32   truly an utterly terrible game that I [TS]

01:15:34   loved when I was a kid [TS]

01:15:37   see also tropic no not Tropic Thunder [TS]

01:15:40   that's the movie isn't it it was a Hydra [TS]

01:15:41   thunder or something like that which was [TS]

01:15:43   basically cruisin USA but boats either [TS]

01:15:45   one of those I think would be tremendous [TS]

01:15:47   and I don't know why like Street Fighter [TS]

01:15:51   yeah you can make you can make a pretty [TS]

01:15:52   decent argument I would imagine that [TS]

01:15:53   that was actually a good arcade game [TS]

01:15:55   cruisin USA and and I refer got was a [TS]

01:15:57   call Hydra Thunder both really not good [TS]

01:16:00   games but oh man I spent so many so many [TS]

01:16:02   hours playing those in the arcades and [TS]

01:16:04   like wasn't by arcades I mean like in a [TS]

01:16:07   Fuddruckers or something like that but [TS]

01:16:08   God they were fun yeah but it's been a [TS]

01:16:11   long time in arcades so much so that I [TS]

01:16:14   think one of my first memory memories is [TS]

01:16:18   learning that five times four is 20 from [TS]

01:16:21   putting a $5 bill into learning [TS]

01:16:24   multiplication based on bills that you [TS]

01:16:27   put into the machine that would give you [TS]

01:16:28   quarters right that's that's how young [TS]

01:16:31   it was like its before multiplication [TS]

01:16:32   tables and also the other factor and [TS]

01:16:34   that comes into this is that arcades [TS]

01:16:37   probably still like this I think but [TS]

01:16:39   even when I was a kid like games come [TS]

01:16:43   into an arcade right and I don't really [TS]

01:16:46   leave so when they got the space [TS]

01:16:48   invaders from you yeah probably yeah [TS]

01:16:51   probably before I was probably before I [TS]

01:16:53   was even born with space matters before [TS]

01:16:55   I was old enough to play space invaders [TS]

01:16:57   someone got a Space Invaders machine it [TS]

01:16:58   would just be there and it would stay [TS]

01:16:59   there and then they would get pac-man [TS]

01:17:01   I'm gonna get miss pac-man Galaga a [TS]

01:17:02   centipede [TS]

01:17:03   like just you know all the different [TS]

01:17:05   things and it's kind of like this like [TS]

01:17:07   layers of sediment like lower down you [TS]

01:17:10   go the older of the games getting so [TS]

01:17:11   they never left so I played all these [TS]

01:17:14   games some games that were before my [TS]

01:17:16   time at the same time like afterburner [TS]

01:17:18   would come out and it was the big [TS]

01:17:19   50-cent machine and the thing moved and [TS]

01:17:20   so on and so forth but still pac-man was [TS]

01:17:22   sitting right there Space Invaders [TS]

01:17:24   Missile Command was still there Missile [TS]

01:17:25   Command compared to afterburner it was [TS]

01:17:27   like but in the same arcade so I had [TS]

01:17:29   this huge spread of things in a [TS]

01:17:31   nostalgic Park going all the way from [TS]

01:17:32   you know [TS]

01:17:33   things like centipede and a millipede [TS]

01:17:35   impact - duffle got all the way up to [TS]

01:17:37   the quote-unquote fancy new games like [TS]

01:17:38   Hydra Thunder or afterburn and stuff [TS]

01:17:40   like that so I can't if I had to pick [TS]

01:17:43   one I would probably say gauntlet the [TS]

01:17:45   original because I think that was it we [TS]

01:17:47   I think it had the most fun playing that [TS]

01:17:49   because it was four-person sort of side [TS]

01:17:51   by side in person which was called was [TS]

01:17:54   the first game in my arcade anyway that [TS]

01:17:56   did this that was a novel experience [TS]

01:17:57   versus you just standing there fighting [TS]

01:17:59   against yourself for the high scores or [TS]

01:18:01   whatever so gauntlet is my most [TS]

01:18:03   nostalgic now which game would I like to [TS]

01:18:04   own none of them because arcade machines [TS]

01:18:06   are huge [TS]

01:18:07   just remain that is true and pinball [TS]

01:18:11   machines are both huge and weigh on I [TS]

01:18:14   cannot even begin to describe to you how [TS]

01:18:16   heavy that pinball machine is it is [TS]

01:18:18   preposterous no John why why in your [TS]

01:18:20   fantasies do you always think about [TS]

01:18:24   putting like if someone asks you well [TS]

01:18:26   what would you pick to put in your house [TS]

01:18:28   like a arcade game or something and then [TS]

01:18:29   your fantasy you're squeezing this [TS]

01:18:31   fantasy object into your real house [TS]

01:18:34   because I respect the parameters of the [TS]

01:18:36   problem they didn't say also you get you [TS]

01:18:38   get a unlimited money to make a giant [TS]

01:18:40   house if I had the giant house surely I [TS]

01:18:41   would have a full arcade and that it [TS]

01:18:43   wouldn't have to pick a game I would [TS]

01:18:44   have all the games well see then you [TS]

01:18:46   could say things like that because I [TS]

01:18:47   don't assume that it means like okay [TS]

01:18:49   actually put these things in your house [TS]

01:18:51   because I feel like if you would want [TS]

01:18:52   that thing it would already be in your [TS]

01:18:54   house so much would you like to own some [TS]

01:18:56   people might some people might have an [TS]

01:18:57   answer like some people might say look [TS]

01:18:58   I'm you know I was really into the Star [TS]

01:19:01   Wars the vector Star Wars game and I [TS]

01:19:02   would love to have one of those and ask [TS]

01:19:03   people do they buy them but they buy [TS]

01:19:05   that one game because they have room for [TS]

01:19:06   one and make room for one game in there [TS]

01:19:08   otherwise normal house I'm just saying [TS]

01:19:10   like there is no game that I want enough [TS]

01:19:12   to make room for it in my otherwise [TS]

01:19:13   normal house yeah but like I couldn't [TS]

01:19:16   put a skee-ball game in my house but I'm [TS]

01:19:17   so like that's what I would want my [TS]

01:19:19   house you totally good no you didn't you [TS]

01:19:21   have an art room if you if you cared as [TS]

01:19:23   much about skee-ball as you did about [TS]

01:19:24   art the art room is outside of the house [TS]

01:19:26   whatever the whole point is if you were [TS]

01:19:28   into ski ball instead of art this is my [TS]

01:19:33   skee-ball memories they have some some [TS]

01:19:35   private time gonna go flexible and I did [TS]

01:19:38   enjoy skee-ball by the way I like yeah [TS]

01:19:39   my landlord goes and ask me why I'm [TS]

01:19:41   renting the space and I'm like well I am [TS]

01:19:43   an avid skee-ball player and I just [TS]

01:19:45   don't [TS]

01:19:46   I'm gonna begin the skee-ball Olympics I [TS]

01:19:48   need to train you I bet you there is I [TS]

01:19:52   bet you there is totally professional [TS]

01:19:53   ski ballplayers oh yeah no I'm I've [TS]

01:19:56   played a lot of that I do have nostalgia [TS]

01:19:57   whisky ball ski balls so fun I'm [TS]

01:20:00   terrible at it I am truly not really [TS]

01:20:02   terrible this year all right so here's a [TS]

01:20:04   question - two questions two parts of [TS]

01:20:07   this alright so the skee-ball angle is [TS]

01:20:09   if you had a skee-ball machine in your [TS]

01:20:11   house would it be important to you that [TS]

01:20:12   it gives tickets yes and I would have a [TS]

01:20:15   basket of things that you could win with [TS]

01:20:17   the tickets all right now if you have an [TS]

01:20:20   arcade game in your house would you make [TS]

01:20:22   it take quarters yes because then you [TS]

01:20:24   would use the quarters for fun stuff [TS]

01:20:27   later on our pinball machine does not [TS]

01:20:30   own a quarter so that mean it has the [TS]

01:20:31   slot for it that's all part of the [TS]

01:20:32   ceremony yeah I feel like that it's like [TS]

01:20:35   restricting it and some like weird kind [TS]

01:20:37   of not important way because you're in [TS]

01:20:39   your house you can make like a little [TS]

01:20:42   like a little cardboard thing with it [TS]

01:20:43   with an NFC or QR code on and you'd hold [TS]

01:20:45   it in front of the game I like the idea [TS]

01:20:48   of having to go to the bank and get a [TS]

01:20:50   roll of quarters to play a game in your [TS]

01:20:51   own home know what you need to have we [TS]

01:20:54   need to have is a token machine so [TS]

01:20:56   that's what building a little arm it [TS]

01:20:58   tokens that you can only spend in the [TS]

01:20:59   arm in arcade yes custom torment arcade [TS]

01:21:03   I can imagine [TS]

01:21:04   Adam or mints arcade there you go we're [TS]

01:21:06   building this digital Marco write that [TS]

01:21:08   down and the good ideas list please done [TS]

01:21:12   so you pay the miners with money they [TS]

01:21:15   can only spend at the company store see [TS]

01:21:19   the final ask ATP question which TIF is [TS]

01:21:23   probably the most equipped to answer [TS]

01:21:25   Simon [TS]

01:21:27   handler asks what are some good [TS]

01:21:29   resources blogs books people to follow [TS]

01:21:31   etcetera for photography beginners not [TS]

01:21:34   really gear wise more about learning the [TS]

01:21:35   craft so I've read this and I was [TS]

01:21:40   thinking at first thought I was thinking [TS]

01:21:43   of like what the pretty much the one [TS]

01:21:45   photographer that I follow and that's [TS]

01:21:48   Jamie back and she has been living in [TS]

01:21:51   Provence for the past year and doing a [TS]

01:21:53   lot of still life photography and [TS]

01:21:55   actually showing her techniques with [TS]

01:21:58   using film [TS]

01:21:59   Digital and it's just been really [TS]

01:22:01   fascinating to watch so she's a really [TS]

01:22:02   great one to check out but it's very [TS]

01:22:06   personal what you want to see as to [TS]

01:22:10   learn for technique and craft on what [TS]

01:22:13   type of photographer you want it's a lot [TS]

01:22:14   like art right like you find a style [TS]

01:22:16   that you're very into or an artist that [TS]

01:22:19   you're very into and I think a great [TS]

01:22:21   resource for that right now is Instagram [TS]

01:22:25   and if you find one photographer or one [TS]

01:22:28   I'm just gonna say artist it doesn't [TS]

01:22:30   matter it translates both ways so you [TS]

01:22:32   find a photographer on there that you [TS]

01:22:33   really like and you can see who they [TS]

01:22:35   follow or who follows them and [TS]

01:22:38   especially in the Explorer tab and then [TS]

01:22:41   it kind of rolls into finding other [TS]

01:22:44   photographers that are interesting to [TS]

01:22:47   you whether it's landscape or it's [TS]

01:22:49   portraits or its various different [TS]

01:22:51   styles the way they shoot texture the [TS]

01:22:53   way they shoot light and I think if you [TS]

01:22:55   start following that and you start [TS]

01:22:57   looking at a lot of pictures and a lot [TS]

01:22:59   of people's work it can kind of open up [TS]

01:23:01   your eye to find a style that you like [TS]

01:23:03   and at first when you're practicing it [TS]

01:23:06   is not a problem to mimic someone else's [TS]

01:23:09   work obviously give credit don't charge [TS]

01:23:11   for it don't try and sell it but being [TS]

01:23:14   it for you as a learning experience I [TS]

01:23:16   think that that is a fantastic way to [TS]

01:23:19   open up your creativity and then you can [TS]

01:23:23   move on from there [TS]

01:23:23   but I really I've been loving Instagram [TS]

01:23:26   for following artists and seeing the way [TS]

01:23:28   that they do different techniques and [TS]

01:23:30   then that kind of it snowballs into the [TS]

01:23:33   next person that I follow and then they [TS]

01:23:35   follow other people that are similar but [TS]

01:23:37   slightly different and you kind of can [TS]

01:23:38   see how someone's art or photography [TS]

01:23:41   evolves through the through even their [TS]

01:23:43   own personal feed and it's been really [TS]

01:23:46   valuable to kind of immersing yourself [TS]

01:23:49   in all of that and it's that's what I [TS]

01:23:51   would definitely suggest so Instagram [TS]

01:23:54   yeah I would agree with that I still [TS]

01:23:56   love Instagram and even though it's [TS]

01:23:58   owned by Facebook and Facebook is [TS]

01:23:59   getting ever more creepy with each [TS]

01:24:00   passing moment I adore Instagram I look [TS]

01:24:03   at Instagram a lot somebody that I a [TS]

01:24:06   photographer that I admire quite a bit [TS]

01:24:08   on Instagram is Aaron Brooks whose user [TS]

01:24:11   name on Instagram is Aaron [TS]

01:24:12   our Brookes she has two young daughters [TS]

01:24:15   and most of her shots of are of her or [TS]

01:24:19   of her kids or her in her kids and I [TS]

01:24:22   would guess about 1/3 to 1/2 are like a [TS]

01:24:26   big camera but half to two-thirds are [TS]

01:24:29   just her iPhone and what's really great [TS]

01:24:31   is as we record this she's done some [TS]

01:24:34   Instagram stories where she'll take a [TS]

01:24:36   shot that she shot on her iPhone and [TS]

01:24:38   show how she like tweaks it and and [TS]

01:24:41   edits it all on her iPhone in order to [TS]

01:24:44   make it into the final product and I [TS]

01:24:46   think she's a great follow I'm sure that [TS]

01:24:49   there's a bunch of others that I'm not [TS]

01:24:50   thinking of but she's really great also [TS]

01:24:52   if you happen to do if you happen to [TS]

01:24:54   like say a particular subject matter [TS]

01:24:56   like cars for example I don't know if [TS]

01:24:58   anyone on this you know show has ever [TS]

01:25:00   talked about cars for any length of time [TS]

01:25:01   but you know there's oftentimes a lot of [TS]

01:25:04   really good car related accounts or [TS]

01:25:06   maybe it's watches if that's your thing [TS]

01:25:08   whatever the case may be [TS]

01:25:10   oftentimes you'll find somebody that [TS]

01:25:11   that likes not only photography but that [TS]

01:25:14   thing and its really great to follow [TS]

01:25:17   them because you can get a lot of the [TS]

01:25:19   same kind of ideas about composition and [TS]

01:25:22   and and depth of field and things like [TS]

01:25:24   that just by looking at shots of cars [TS]

01:25:26   you know they're pretty cars and they're [TS]

01:25:28   pretty shots and it works out well one [TS]

01:25:30   other photographer that I really like [TS]

01:25:32   that I think people should check out if [TS]

01:25:34   they like portraiture benoit pillai be [TS]

01:25:38   en oh i t [TS]

01:25:41   pai ll e i think that's how you [TS]

01:25:45   pronounce his name but anyway he's an [TS]

01:25:46   amazing portrait photographer and you [TS]

01:25:50   should check out his work it's just [TS]

01:25:51   stunning how do you feel about Marcos [TS]

01:25:55   tasting cars which is another another [TS]

01:25:57   way to come at it is when it's time for [TS]

01:25:58   you to get your next car you're going to [TS]

01:26:00   get an electric one how do you feel [TS]

01:26:01   about your car like what's with the cars [TS]

01:26:04   what's your take on the car situation in [TS]

01:26:05   the Armand household oh my car is a [TS]

01:26:08   dinosaur and I forget to fill it up with [TS]

01:26:11   gas so I don't want to do that anymore [TS]

01:26:13   and I definitely want Tesla for my next [TS]

01:26:17   car big one or small one like you have a [TS]

01:26:19   small one I want the small one the the [TS]

01:26:21   the Roadster or the three the three the [TS]

01:26:24   new one that's going to come out or has [TS]

01:26:25   come [TS]

01:26:26   or as big waiting lists to come out I [TS]

01:26:27   don't know but I figure in two years [TS]

01:26:28   when my lease is up we're good to go [TS]

01:26:31   have you looked at the dashboard that [TS]

01:26:33   Casey hates so much oh I don't care I'll [TS]

01:26:36   figure it out I just don't want to fill [TS]

01:26:37   my car with gas anymore so it would be [TS]

01:26:40   easier just to have to Teslas right [TS]

01:26:42   that's reasonable well it's out you used [TS]

01:26:46   to be used to be taking your car because [TS]

01:26:48   Marko had anxiety about the [TS]

01:26:50   superchargers but now it seems like [TS]

01:26:51   you're just taking a Tesla all the time [TS]

01:26:52   and like I don't know why you use your [TS]

01:26:54   car for oh I don't know what I use my [TS]

01:26:55   car for either I like go down the block [TS]

01:26:57   I Drive around the corner but I don't [TS]

01:27:01   want to walk home at night and hang out [TS]

01:27:03   with my friends huh so it seems like [TS]

01:27:04   you've collectively gotten over the [TS]

01:27:06   whole like whatever the limitations of [TS]

01:27:08   electric car you felt them out to the [TS]

01:27:09   point where now there's no reason for [TS]

01:27:10   you to have a gas car and reserve just [TS]

01:27:12   in case you say need to flee a an [TS]

01:27:14   expanding mushroom cloud or something [TS]

01:27:16   Wow yeah I'm abandoning it it's I mean [TS]

01:27:19   the amount of times did I forget to fill [TS]

01:27:21   it up with gas versus how many times the [TS]

01:27:23   mushroom crab cloud might be here I'm [TS]

01:27:25   gonna go with the Tesla well if you [TS]

01:27:27   order the three now you might get about [TS]

01:27:29   time your lease is up that's [TS]

01:27:30   turning-point mark ooh we should order [TS]

01:27:32   that on it shopping list [TS]

01:27:38   Marco ad model three two shopping list [TS]

01:27:41   do you want me to search the web for ad [TS]

01:27:43   model three well-played robot Marco [TS]

01:27:49   well-played are we done here I think [TS]

01:27:51   we're done all right well thanks to our [TS]

01:27:52   sponsors Casper fracture and Squarespace [TS]

01:27:55   and we'll see you next week [TS]

01:27:59   now the show is over they didn't even [TS]

01:28:03   mean to begin as it was accidental oh it [TS]

01:28:07   was accidental [TS]

01:28:10   johnny research Margo and Casey wouldn't [TS]

01:28:14   let him cuz it was accidental he was [TS]

01:28:18   accidental you can find the show notes [TS]

01:28:22   at ACS URL ISS so that's Casey less ma [TS]

01:28:36   RC o AR m auntie Marco Arment SI r AC [TS]

01:28:45   Syracuse [TS]

01:28:50   [Music] [TS]

01:28:52   I started a new podcast called playing [TS]

01:29:01   for fun with Mike Hurley and we talk [TS]

01:29:05   only about the positive stuff about [TS]

01:29:07   playing video games so it's like two [TS]

01:29:08   besties playing video games and [TS]

01:29:10   discussing them we don't have any [TS]

01:29:12   negative talk no industry talk no just [TS]

01:29:17   just very much the fun and the enjoyment [TS]

01:29:20   that we get from the game and what we [TS]

01:29:22   liked about it and yeah so that's where [TS]

01:29:24   we're going we already had our first [TS]

01:29:25   episode it was about Muriel Odyssey and [TS]

01:29:27   you can check it out on relay fm so what [TS]

01:29:32   is the publication schedule because [TS]

01:29:34   shouldn't we be having the second [TS]

01:29:35   episode by now [TS]

01:29:36   yeah we're recording on Friday the next [TS]

01:29:37   episode but we're going to be doing it [TS]

01:29:39   once a month so that way we want well [TS]

01:29:47   it's a great thing it's easy to invest [TS]

01:29:49   in because it's not it won't bog down [TS]

01:29:51   your playlist of podcasts because we [TS]

01:29:54   need time to play the games all the way [TS]

01:29:57   enough to discuss them and then that way [TS]

01:30:00   it and it also doesn't become like a big [TS]

01:30:02   burden for other people to add a new [TS]

01:30:06   podcast to their list so it's nice and [TS]

01:30:08   easy and yeah so it's a I like it once a [TS]

01:30:12   month it feels good it comes up faster [TS]

01:30:13   than you think because we're already [TS]

01:30:14   recording again on Friday and I just [TS]

01:30:17   finished the game we're gonna be talking [TS]

01:30:18   about so well I don't think you need the [TS]

01:30:20   name the time to play the games because [TS]

01:30:22   you have such a backlog you could talk [TS]

01:30:23   about games that you've played in the [TS]

01:30:24   past for like a year before you even got [TS]

01:30:26   to games that are going now because [TS]

01:30:28   again it's not like you're talking about [TS]

01:30:29   current events or something you could [TS]

01:30:30   talk about games you played for seven [TS]

01:30:32   years ago maybe maybe Mike hasn't played [TS]

01:30:35   them and he's probably not well that's [TS]

01:30:36   the thing it has to be both of us we've [TS]

01:30:38   started a nice little list of things [TS]

01:30:39   that we would possibly like too so we'd [TS]

01:30:41   like to talk about in the future but a [TS]

01:30:43   lot of them it's one of us has played it [TS]

01:30:46   or one of us hasn't and then or one of [TS]

01:30:48   us has tried it a little bit but it [TS]

01:30:50   didn't get very into it so we do need [TS]

01:30:52   the time because we do have other things [TS]

01:30:54   to do besides play games all day you [TS]

01:30:56   know even though we are mostly playing [TS]

01:30:58   games for fun anyway in our free time [TS]

01:31:00   because that's what we enjoy so we we do [TS]

01:31:03   have some nice things to fall back on [TS]

01:31:04   some you know things that we've played [TS]

01:31:06   in the past just like you said but yeah [TS]

01:31:09   so John this is a show that you can [TS]

01:31:10   definitely never be on because I don't [TS]

01:31:12   think you could stay positive about a [TS]

01:31:13   game this this description here of like [TS]

01:31:17   who wrote this is probably Marco John [TS]

01:31:19   probably has some nitpicks about a show [TS]

01:31:21   focused solely on the good things about [TS]

01:31:22   games like there's only been one episode [TS]

01:31:24   that I've heard but I know you're trying [TS]

01:31:26   to say like you're not it's not like [TS]

01:31:27   you're gonna critique and you're not [TS]

01:31:28   gonna talk about games that you don't [TS]

01:31:29   like but even when talking about the [TS]

01:31:31   games do you like there are always [TS]

01:31:32   quirks and odd things in the games that [TS]

01:31:34   you will you are briefly momentary [TS]

01:31:36   laughing at the game instead of with it [TS]

01:31:38   or talking about how you wish this thing [TS]

01:31:39   was a little bit different that happens [TS]

01:31:41   it's just in general it's it's positive [TS]

01:31:43   it's not as if you are blind to the [TS]

01:31:45   quirks of the game let's say you still [TS]

01:31:47   do talk about that nothing is so perfect [TS]

01:31:52   like the reason I'm asking about past [TS]

01:31:55   games is I'm wondering how you're gonna [TS]

01:31:56   navigate speaking of trying to stay [TS]

01:31:57   positive on how you're gonna navigate [TS]

01:31:58   this because I want to hear you talk [TS]

01:32:00   about like the long dark and half life [TS]

01:32:03   or also the games I assume mike has [TS]

01:32:04   never played yeah I definitely want to [TS]

01:32:06   get him to play the long dark ideal [TS]

01:32:07   right but if the rule is that you both [TS]

01:32:09   you have to play it and one of you [TS]

01:32:11   quote-unquote makes the other one play [TS]

01:32:13   or if the other one doesn't like it I [TS]

01:32:14   still want to hear you podcast about it [TS]

01:32:15   right and so then we'll Mike have to be [TS]

01:32:17   politely explained as so often happens [TS]

01:32:19   in other shows where Mike is talking [TS]

01:32:20   about games with somebody else one [TS]

01:32:22   person might like it more than the other [TS]

01:32:23   let's say and you have to be able to [TS]

01:32:25   have that conversation in a reasonably [TS]

01:32:26   positive way and I hope that's what you [TS]

01:32:27   do yeah I think that's what we're gonna [TS]

01:32:29   try and do because or we're just won't [TS]

01:32:31   if the game is so negative or so [TS]

01:32:33   disliked by one of the people one of us [TS]

01:32:36   then we probably wouldn't talk about it [TS]

01:32:38   or we'd put it on the back burner for [TS]

01:32:40   for a later date but right now for the [TS]

01:32:43   shows that we're gonna be talking about [TS]

01:32:44   the first few episodes or so we're gonna [TS]

01:32:47   try and stay mostly positive about the [TS]

01:32:50   Grand Tour DeMarco was the best CI I [TS]

01:32:54   didn't have three hours to listen to [TS]

01:32:56   that so oh yeah but by the way I have an [TS]

01:32:58   explanation for that for Marco who is [TS]

01:32:59   sitting there [TS]

01:33:00   off to the side pretending he can't talk [TS]

01:33:01   I think it's because he's never seen Top [TS]

01:33:05   Gear so he doesn't have like he doesn't [TS]

01:33:07   understand how much better the same [TS]

01:33:09   thing could be so like if this is your [TS]

01:33:10   first viewing of these three people [TS]

01:33:12   doing something they like this like oh [TS]

01:33:14   yeah whatever if you don't realize that [TS]

01:33:16   this is the much worse version of a [TS]

01:33:19   previous thing [TS]

01:33:20   maybe man I'm trying to make some [TS]

01:33:22   excuses for I like Gerber likes the [TS]

01:33:23   Grand Tour as much as he seems to gosh [TS]

01:33:28   it's not that I shouldn't say that it's [TS]

01:33:30   not so bad it's just so bad compared to [TS]

01:33:32   what it was it's just the the mighty [TS]

01:33:34   have fallen [TS]

01:33:34   yeah that's what I'm saying I know he [TS]

01:33:36   doesn't have he doesn't have a [TS]

01:33:37   comparison he yeah makes me sad the [TS]

01:33:42   playing for fun reminds me of a podcast [TS]

01:33:44   by a couple of local guys here in [TS]

01:33:46   Richmond [TS]

01:33:46   called salmon Ross like things and we'll [TS]

01:33:49   put a link in the show notes to that as [TS]

01:33:50   well it's a similar idea where just [TS]

01:33:52   every I think they do it fortnightly and [TS]

01:33:54   and each of them has to bring something [TS]

01:33:56   that they like to the show and and the [TS]

01:33:58   rule is no hedging and so in in this era [TS]

01:34:02   that's you know everyone complaining [TS]

01:34:04   about everything hello then it's nice to [TS]

01:34:07   have something like playing for fun or [TS]

01:34:08   you know salmon Ross like things or [TS]

01:34:10   something else where where people are [TS]

01:34:11   more positive mmm-hmm yeah we're trying [TS]

01:34:13   to keep it light and happy and give [TS]

01:34:15   people something to smile when they when [TS]

01:34:17   they listen to you know bring people up [TS]

01:34:20   instead of down [TS]