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264: Every Building Has Bugs

 

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01:00:55   sponsoring our show there's been some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3655">TS</a>]

01:01:01   interesting news coming out of Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3661">TS</a>]

01:01:02   Park you know previously known as Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3662">TS</a>]

01:01:05   Campus 2 it seems that it's a hazardous [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3665">TS</a>]

01:01:08   place to work and it seems that people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3668">TS</a>]

01:01:10   are running into glass walls I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3670">TS</a>]

01:01:14   even know where the genesis of this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3674">TS</a>]

01:01:16   story was but apparently somebody has a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3676">TS</a>]

01:01:18   mast I've seen a link at some point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3678">TS</a>]

01:01:20   somebody has amassed 911 calls that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3680">TS</a>]

01:01:23   relate to people walking into the glass [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3683">TS</a>]

01:01:25   walls at Apple Park or something like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3685">TS</a>]

01:01:27   that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3687">TS</a>]

01:01:27   what's going on here I mean this is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3687">TS</a>]

01:01:30   problem that almost every office [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3690">TS</a>]

01:01:34   building that does a glass design or a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3694">TS</a>]

01:01:36   glass redesign has at some point I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3696">TS</a>]

01:01:41   like when I remember when I interviewed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3701">TS</a>]

01:01:43   as I was job seeking for the job that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3703">TS</a>]

01:01:46   eventually ended up being tumblr back in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3706">TS</a>]

01:01:49   2006 I had an interview of Bloomberg and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3709">TS</a>]

01:01:52   here in New York and they had all glass [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3712">TS</a>]

01:01:55   everywhere and it was very very hard for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3715">TS</a>]

01:01:57   me to navigate that office like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3717">TS</a>]

01:01:59   couldn't fly like like look around the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3719">TS</a>]

01:02:01   rooms like fine like where's the door [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3721">TS</a>]

01:02:03   out of the room I am in like you had to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3723">TS</a>]

01:02:05   really look hard to see like which of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3725">TS</a>]

01:02:07   these walls is a door actually it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3727">TS</a>]

01:02:09   very very strange I was part of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3729">TS</a>]

01:02:11   interview process this part of the test [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3731">TS</a>]

01:02:13   god I failed so many tests in that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3733">TS</a>]

01:02:14   interview I felt every test including [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3734">TS</a>]

01:02:16   try to escape the room but anyway and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3736">TS</a>]

01:02:21   remember it was a fairly moderate like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3741">TS</a>]

01:02:24   the building was fairly young at that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3744">TS</a>]

01:02:26   point and I remember a few the employees [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3746">TS</a>]

01:02:27   telling me that they had to install rows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3747">TS</a>]

01:02:31   of logo stickers at eye level on all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3751">TS</a>]

01:02:34   glass because people kept running into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3754">TS</a>]

01:02:36   it now as this story has played out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3756">TS</a>]

01:02:39   today with Apple Park we've heard so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3759">TS</a>]

01:02:42   many like Twitter responses and people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3762">TS</a>]

01:02:44   in the chat talking about it about like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3764">TS</a>]

01:02:46   how this happens in like every office [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3766">TS</a>]

01:02:48   building that that does that goes with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3768">TS</a>]

01:02:50   all glass for all the walls inside like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3770">TS</a>]

01:02:51   people always earns them all the time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3771">TS</a>]

01:02:53   and they always have to end up you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3773">TS</a>]

01:02:55   installing some kind of sticker or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3775">TS</a>]

01:02:56   something you know to make the glass not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3776">TS</a>]

01:02:58   transparent in a really obvious eye [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3778">TS</a>]

01:03:00   level place so the fact that people are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3780">TS</a>]

01:03:04   running into glass with apparently no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3784">TS</a>]

01:03:06   decoration or insufficient decoration on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3786">TS</a>]

01:03:08   it is not surprising at all that is I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3788">TS</a>]

01:03:11   think it's a well proven thing that that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3791">TS</a>]

01:03:13   happens so that isn't surprising at all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3793">TS</a>]

01:03:16   it the only surprising part of this to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3796">TS</a>]

01:03:18   me and and the kind of sad part is like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3798">TS</a>]

01:03:20   did they not know this would happen it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3800">TS</a>]

01:03:23   this is not a new thing that happens in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3803">TS</a>]

01:03:25   glass buildings like surely someone had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3805">TS</a>]

01:03:28   to have told Johnny I've super along the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3808">TS</a>]

01:03:30   design of this like someone had to have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3810">TS</a>]

01:03:33   mentioned this like so how did this come [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3813">TS</a>]

01:03:35   how does this how does the building get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3815">TS</a>]

01:03:38   designed with this ignored that that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3818">TS</a>]

01:03:40   what I want to know like again it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3820">TS</a>]

01:03:41   it's almost like the home pod brain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3821">TS</a>]

01:03:42   thing it's like did they not know like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3822">TS</a>]

01:03:44   don't know it it's concerning either way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3824">TS</a>]

01:03:46   like they should have known and this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3826">TS</a>]

01:03:49   again this is a small thing this is not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3829">TS</a>]

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01:03:53   about this is because we just fell on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3833">TS</a>]

01:03:54   the last topic and yeah it's too late to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3834">TS</a>]

01:03:56   start a new big topic right now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3836">TS</a>]

01:03:57   so you know this is not a huge topic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3837">TS</a>]

01:04:00   this is not a huge deal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3840">TS</a>]

01:04:01   just like the home pod ring not a huge [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3841">TS</a>]

01:04:03   deal but just kind of an embarrassing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3843">TS</a>]

01:04:05   story that like the the interesting and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3845">TS</a>]

01:04:09   worrisome part about it is not the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3849">TS</a>]

01:04:11   actual thing that is happening but that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3851">TS</a>]

01:04:14   it seems to indicate a pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3854">TS</a>]

01:04:16   substantial failure in process along the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3856">TS</a>]

01:04:18   way like why didn't they foresee this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3858">TS</a>]

01:04:22   this is not a new problem everyone who's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3862">TS</a>]

01:04:24   ever designed or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3864">TS</a>]

01:04:26   worked in glass office buildings [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3866">TS</a>]

01:04:27   probably knows about this problem so why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3867">TS</a>]

01:04:30   didn't they accommodate for it here but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3870">TS</a>]

01:04:32   it looks so nice that's that's really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3872">TS</a>]

01:04:35   part of it like so every every building [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3875">TS</a>]

01:04:39   has bugs it's not like a software thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3879">TS</a>]

01:04:41   but every building especially new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3881">TS</a>]

01:04:44   buildings large complexes they have bugs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3884">TS</a>]

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01:04:49   it was constructed that wears out sooner [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3889">TS</a>]

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01:05:03   whatever like but buildings have bugs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3903">TS</a>]

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01:05:10   for the glass stuff it's not an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3910">TS</a>]

01:05:12   unforeseen thing and it's not an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3912">TS</a>]

01:05:13   emergent property of a complex system [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3913">TS</a>]

01:05:15   it's they varied overly picked materials [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3915">TS</a>]

01:05:18   and they didn't just use them a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3918">TS</a>]

01:05:19   bit like this is a glass heavy building [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3919">TS</a>]

01:05:22   tremendously glass I feel like it sounds [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3922">TS</a>]

01:05:24   like the Bloomberg thing was it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3924">TS</a>]

01:05:25   like you're just using it as an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3925">TS</a>]

01:05:26   interface element along with everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3926">TS</a>]

01:05:29   else it's very heavily used like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3929">TS</a>]

01:05:31   largest pieces of glass in the world are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3931">TS</a>]

01:05:33   here and it does look really good and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3933">TS</a>]

01:05:37   like I was tempted to say this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3937">TS</a>]

01:05:39   another example of like you know form [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3939">TS</a>]

01:05:41   over function where if I think when we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3941">TS</a>]

01:05:43   talked about this building for I said I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3943">TS</a>]

01:05:45   didn't have confidence that Johnny I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3945">TS</a>]

01:05:47   really understood what it took to make a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3947">TS</a>]

01:05:49   functional building although I knew he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3949">TS</a>]

01:05:51   would make a beautiful one and this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3951">TS</a>]

01:05:52   might call into that category but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3952">TS</a>]

01:05:54   think there is actually a functional [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3954">TS</a>]

01:05:55   aspect to all this glass which is part [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3955">TS</a>]

01:05:57   of the part of the utility of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3957">TS</a>]

01:05:59   building is not just you know can you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3959">TS</a>]

01:06:02   find all the places you want to go very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3962">TS</a>]

01:06:04   well is there room for everything is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3964">TS</a>]

01:06:06   air circulate well all those sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3966">TS</a>]

01:06:07   like what makes good user nice on a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3967">TS</a>]

01:06:10   building but aesthetics actually are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3970">TS</a>]

01:06:12   part of like any product but perhaps [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3972">TS</a>]

01:06:13   even more so for a building allowing a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3973">TS</a>]

01:06:15   natural light in being inspired by the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3975">TS</a>]

01:06:17   views feeling like you're you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3977">TS</a>]

01:06:19   inside indoors outdoors with like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3979">TS</a>]

01:06:21   complete glass thing from floor to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3981">TS</a>]

01:06:22   ceiling gives a different feeling than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3982">TS</a>]

01:06:24   it would if it was just a window in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3984">TS</a>]

01:06:25   wall right so there is I think a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3985">TS</a>]

01:06:27   functional aspect to all of this glass [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3987">TS</a>]

01:06:29   and unfortunately a lot of the solutions [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3989">TS</a>]

01:06:31   that fix this problem like the stickers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3991">TS</a>]

01:06:34   at eye level or whatever fly in the face [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3994">TS</a>]

01:06:37   of all the advantages that you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3997">TS</a>]

01:06:38   getting you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3998">TS</a>]

01:06:39   don't feel like you're you're outdoors [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3999">TS</a>]

01:06:41   indoors type of thing when your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4001">TS</a>]

01:06:43   beautiful wall of glass is marred by a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4003">TS</a>]

01:06:45   bunch of Apple stickers Johnny I would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4005">TS</a>]

01:06:46   have a heart attack if you're just a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4006">TS</a>]

01:06:47   bunch of apple stickers all of these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4007">TS</a>]

01:06:49   things well that's what they're doing in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4009">TS</a>]

01:06:50   some cases is like putting you know tape [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4010">TS</a>]

01:06:52   or anything else like it's just it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4012">TS</a>]

01:06:54   gaudy it breaks up the appearance that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4014">TS</a>]

01:06:56   you want it kills the illusion of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4016">TS</a>]

01:06:59   transparency of the glass it makes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4019">TS</a>]

01:07:02   everything uglier and worse like I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4022">TS</a>]

01:07:04   thinking they do it like they do in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4024">TS</a>]

01:07:06   diving pool in the Olympics where they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4026">TS</a>]

01:07:08   have a constant spray of water agitating [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4028">TS</a>]

01:07:10   the surface so you can see where the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4030">TS</a>]

01:07:11   surface of the water is you know for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4031">TS</a>]

01:07:12   diver as they come down they just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4032">TS</a>]

01:07:14   something should have constant sprays of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4034">TS</a>]

01:07:15   water onto the onto the walls and to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4035">TS</a>]

01:07:17   some one of those glass waterfall [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4037">TS</a>]

01:07:19   effects without kind of ruined rim the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4039">TS</a>]

01:07:21   aesthetic as well so I don't know what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4041">TS</a>]

01:07:23   the solution this is because I kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4043">TS</a>]

01:07:26   understand that the glass stuff is not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4046">TS</a>]

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01:11:34   trying to go outside which was very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4294">TS</a>]

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01:12:15   been constructing California has all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4335">TS</a>]

01:12:17   sorts of like earthquake readiness stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4337">TS</a>]

01:12:19   built into it because surely the codes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4339">TS</a>]

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01:12:56   sharpness pretended to stay completely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4376">TS</a>]

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01:12:59   breaks into small pieces it's like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4379">TS</a>]

01:13:01   clear Rock landing on your head from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4381">TS</a>]

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01:22:09   going to or from the beach and I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4929">TS</a>]

01:22:10   fair enough [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4930">TS</a>]

01:22:12   and finally when do you turn your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4932">TS</a>]

01:22:13   recirculation on or recirculating the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4933">TS</a>]

01:22:16   the air conditioning I don't typically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4936">TS</a>]

01:22:19   mess with this unless there is an odor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4939">TS</a>]

01:22:21   or I'm in a hurry to get the the car [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4941">TS</a>]

01:22:24   either colder or warmer my car does have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4944">TS</a>]

01:22:28   an automatic recirculation feature I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4948">TS</a>]

01:22:30   have no idea if that's like a complete [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4950">TS</a>]

01:22:32   placebo or if it actually does you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4952">TS</a>]

01:22:34   flip recirculation on and off and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4954">TS</a>]

01:22:37   typically I just leave that on but in in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4957">TS</a>]

01:22:39   Prior cars I would only ever really turn [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4959">TS</a>]

01:22:41   recirculation on if I was in a real big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4961">TS</a>]

01:22:44   hurry to reach the temperature I wanted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4964">TS</a>]

01:22:46   John I think it's your turn now I am a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4966">TS</a>]

01:22:48   manual control even though my car has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4968">TS</a>]

01:22:51   automatic climate control I have manual [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4971">TS</a>]

01:22:53   control or I'm a micro manager of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4973">TS</a>]

01:22:55   climate controls and recirculation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4975">TS</a>]

01:22:56   different i preemptively turn it on when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4976">TS</a>]

01:22:59   I know I'm going to be coming to a stop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4979">TS</a>]

01:23:01   behind a smoker because smokers are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4981">TS</a>]

01:23:02   disgusting and flickers dependent other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4982">TS</a>]

01:23:04   windows which they leave cracked open so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4984">TS</a>]

01:23:06   we're the entire world can enjoy their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4986">TS</a>]

01:23:07   stupid smoke and then they flick the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4987">TS</a>]

01:23:09   cigarette that their have done without [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4989">TS</a>]

01:23:10   the window to I put three Sark on again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4990">TS</a>]

01:23:14   preemptively when I'm you know gonna be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4994">TS</a>]

01:23:16   stopped behind a big truck that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4996">TS</a>]

01:23:18   spewing its stinky exhaust basically I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4998">TS</a>]

01:23:19   mean I know there's going to be an order [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4999">TS</a>]

01:23:21   from the outside I turned on and the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5001">TS</a>]

01:23:24   final time that I do it is yeah in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5004">TS</a>]

01:23:26   summer when I want to get the car cooler [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5006">TS</a>]

01:23:28   faster but only after I allow enough [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5008">TS</a>]

01:23:30   fresh air in so the inside and outside [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5010">TS</a>]

01:23:31   temperatures are equalized and in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5011">TS</a>]

01:23:33   winter when my cars when my cars pour [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5013">TS</a>]

01:23:36   heating system I can't keep up can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5016">TS</a>]

01:23:40   like literally can't make the car warm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5020">TS</a>]

01:23:42   enough because it is so freakin cold [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5022">TS</a>]

01:23:43   that the air coming out of the vents [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5023">TS</a>]

01:23:46   gets appreciably warmer when I put [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5026">TS</a>]

01:23:48   recirc on like in the really cold spell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5028">TS</a>]

01:23:51   that we have are it's like below zero [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5031">TS</a>]

01:23:52   for several days in a row the car will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5032">TS</a>]

01:23:55   eventually warm up and be comfortable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5035">TS</a>]

01:23:57   enough but if you're on a shortness [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5037">TS</a>]

01:23:59   drive where you don't have time to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5039">TS</a>]

01:24:01   that you just got to put on research [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5041">TS</a>]

01:24:02   just to get it just for me to not to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5042">TS</a>]

01:24:04   freezing my boat I don't have heated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5044">TS</a>]

01:24:05   seats I think that would really help me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5045">TS</a>]

01:24:06   get around with it but that's that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5046">TS</a>]

01:24:07   when I do it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5047">TS</a>]

01:24:08   Wow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5048">TS</a>]

01:24:12   I used to manually manage recirculation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5052">TS</a>]

01:24:16   I don't anymore because modern nice cars [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5056">TS</a>]

01:24:21   not only do it for you and and their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5061">TS</a>]

01:24:23   defaults of when to use it versus when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5063">TS</a>]

01:24:25   not to seem pretty good but also like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5065">TS</a>]

01:24:28   the smoker issue I I too like one way to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5068">TS</a>]

01:24:31   really make me very angry is to make me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5071">TS</a>]

01:24:34   smell cigarette smoke for some reason [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5074">TS</a>]

01:24:36   and but the good thing is about like and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5076">TS</a>]

01:24:38   I don't know if it's a Tesla and BMW [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5078">TS</a>]

01:24:40   thing or whatever but like usually the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5080">TS</a>]

01:24:42   the intake air filters seem to be so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5082">TS</a>]

01:24:45   good on some of these cars now that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5085">TS</a>]

01:24:48   don't usually smell outside smells if my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5088">TS</a>]

01:24:51   windows are up and my Sun roof is closed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5091">TS</a>]

01:24:52   now occasionally I will still smell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5092">TS</a>]

01:24:55   cigarette because my windows cracked or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5095">TS</a>]

01:24:56   something but that's coming in through [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5096">TS</a>]

01:24:58   the window not the ventilation system so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5098">TS</a>]

01:25:00   I almost never have any reason to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5100">TS</a>]

01:25:02   manually adjust whether recirculation is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5102">TS</a>]

01:25:05   on or off I just let the system handle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5105">TS</a>]

01:25:07   it and it's fine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5107">TS</a>]

01:25:08   Peter Gosling writes in there seems to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5108">TS</a>]

01:25:11   be a lot of disappointment to slack Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5111">TS</a>]

01:25:12   client justifiably so why not stick with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5112">TS</a>]

01:25:14   IRC like the live show the native Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5114">TS</a>]

01:25:16   IRC clients are joy to use and aren't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5116">TS</a>]

01:25:19   half-baked like slack is so a little bit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5119">TS</a>]

01:25:20   of background slack is written using [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5120">TS</a>]

01:25:23   electron which does not by necessity [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5123">TS</a>]

01:25:25   means it's a pile of mean that it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5125">TS</a>]

01:25:26   pile of garbage but it turns out it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5126">TS</a>]

01:25:28   in fact a pile of garbage but a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5128">TS</a>]

01:25:31   known fact about slack which I probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5131">TS</a>]

01:25:33   will not remember to put in the show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5133">TS</a>]

01:25:34   notes and say you can actually access [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5134">TS</a>]

01:25:35   slack I chat rooms teams whatever the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5135">TS</a>]

01:25:40   terminology is via IRC there's an IRC [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5140">TS</a>]

01:25:42   front-end to slack so you could use any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5142">TS</a>]

01:25:44   IRC client in connect to slack and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5144">TS</a>]

01:25:48   that's what Peters talking about where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5148">TS</a>]

01:25:50   this falls down is a couple of things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5150">TS</a>]

01:25:52   one Peter said the native Matt mac IRC [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5152">TS</a>]

01:25:54   clients are joy to use and I must not be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5154">TS</a>]

01:25:57   using the ones that he's using I use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5157">TS</a>]

01:25:58   colloquy which is okay whatever Peters [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5158">TS</a>]

01:26:03   using must be much better than that yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5163">TS</a>]

01:26:05   I got agree on that by the way like I IV [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5165">TS</a>]

01:26:07   I used colloquy I've also used textual [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5167">TS</a>]

01:26:09   and there's one more if use ones before [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5169">TS</a>]

01:26:12   I forget what it is and I can only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5172">TS</a>]

01:26:14   describe any of them as okay yeah but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5174">TS</a>]

01:26:17   anyway so you can use IRC to get to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5177">TS</a>]

01:26:18   slack and the reason that I don't do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5178">TS</a>]

01:26:22   this well there's a couple of reasons [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5182">TS</a>]

01:26:23   but mostly the reason the the biggest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5183">TS</a>]

01:26:26   reason I don't do this is because one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5186">TS</a>]

01:26:27   the better things about slack and one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5187">TS</a>]

01:26:29   the reasons why I do understand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5189">TS</a>]

01:26:30   and if I don't love the fact that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5190">TS</a>]

01:26:32   use electron is that so much of their so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5192">TS</a>]

01:26:35   much of the things you put into a slack [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5195">TS</a>]

01:26:37   chat will like Auto expands so think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5197">TS</a>]

01:26:40   about what's going on with iMessage when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5200">TS</a>]

01:26:41   you put a tweet in or a link to a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5201">TS</a>]

01:26:44   website it will try to grab like a hero [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5204">TS</a>]

01:26:47   image or if there's a tweet with an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5207">TS</a>]

01:26:48   image it will grab the image and it will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5208">TS</a>]

01:26:50   put it right in line in that iMessage [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5210">TS</a>]

01:26:52   conversation will slack does the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5212">TS</a>]

01:26:53   thing but it does it for all sorts of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5213">TS</a>]

01:26:55   different data and it's really really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5215">TS</a>]

01:26:57   nice I mean that genuinely and that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5217">TS</a>]

01:26:59   think I would really miss if I didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5219">TS</a>]

01:27:02   have that and so like another example of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5222">TS</a>]

01:27:04   that is say if somebody pastes in an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5224">TS</a>]

01:27:06   animated gif or a URL to an animated gif [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5226">TS</a>]

01:27:09   I would want to see that inline like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5229">TS</a>]

01:27:11   part of what makes slack fun is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5231">TS</a>]

01:27:13   kind of shucking and jiving back and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5233">TS</a>]

01:27:15   forth with gifts and things like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5235">TS</a>]

01:27:17   and I think I would miss out on that if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5237">TS</a>]

01:27:19   it was just in a traditional IRC client [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5239">TS</a>]

01:27:21   but it is a fair point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5241">TS</a>]

01:27:23   and maybe I should try it just to see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5243">TS</a>]

01:27:25   but I don't know that's that's my two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5245">TS</a>]

01:27:27   cents do you guys have anything to add [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5247">TS</a>]

01:27:28   about that so I think in this contest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5248">TS</a>]

01:27:33   between various applications let you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5253">TS</a>]

01:27:36   type words to other people even if their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5256">TS</a>]

01:27:38   various friends to slack in the case of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5258">TS</a>]

01:27:40   the IRC gateway to slack or whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5260">TS</a>]

01:27:41   I think the slack application on the Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5261">TS</a>]

01:27:44   won fair and square based on its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5264">TS</a>]

01:27:47   features and ease of use that's what it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5267">TS</a>]

01:27:49   comes down to like yes IRC is existed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5269">TS</a>]

01:27:51   forever and yes lots of IRC clients are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5271">TS</a>]

01:27:53   good but slack offered a combination of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5273">TS</a>]

01:27:57   functionality and application that gives [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5277">TS</a>]

01:28:00   you a front-end for that functionality [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5280">TS</a>]

01:28:01   that is simply more attractive to most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5281">TS</a>]

01:28:04   people than all of the alternatives like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5284">TS</a>]

01:28:06   it's not like slack one accidentally or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5286">TS</a>]

01:28:08   because it was bundled as part of some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5288">TS</a>]

01:28:09   monopolistic thing and you couldn't help [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5289">TS</a>]

01:28:11   but have slack forced down our throat [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5291">TS</a>]

01:28:13   slack has lots of warts but it has the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5293">TS</a>]

01:28:16   right balance of stuff it is a fun [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5296">TS</a>]

01:28:18   interesting easy to use application that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5298">TS</a>]

01:28:22   provides I think more fun and more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5302">TS</a>]

01:28:25   features focused on exactly what it does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5305">TS</a>]

01:28:27   in an IRC client and enough speed and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5307">TS</a>]

01:28:30   functionality that we all you know grit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5310">TS</a>]

01:28:33   our teeth and deal with the electron [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5313">TS</a>]

01:28:35   weirdness and everything like this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5315">TS</a>]

01:28:37   because on balance it is better than all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5317">TS</a>]

01:28:39   those things otherwise we would still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5319">TS</a>]

01:28:40   all be using those things I was in tons [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5320">TS</a>]

01:28:42   of IRC channels before slack claimed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5322">TS</a>]

01:28:44   and most of them have been replaced by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5324">TS</a>]

01:28:46   slack because that's what more people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5326">TS</a>]

01:28:48   want to use I can understand being in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5328">TS</a>]

01:28:49   situation where it's like yeah but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5329">TS</a>]

01:28:50   like the IRC you better sure but I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5330">TS</a>]

01:28:53   most people did not like IRC better or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5333">TS</a>]

01:28:55   didn't like IRC at all which is why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5335">TS</a>]

01:28:57   slack is as successful as it is so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5337">TS</a>]

01:28:59   think the reason we don't use it as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5339">TS</a>]

01:29:02   because lack is better in general one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5342">TS</a>]

01:29:05   Pablo Rodriguez writes in John I saw [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5345">TS</a>]

01:29:08   your tweet about the halting problem I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5348">TS</a>]

01:29:09   would like to hear how you would explain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5349">TS</a>]

01:29:11   it so the context this was just a couple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5351">TS</a>]

01:29:14   of days ago and John jump in and cut me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5354">TS</a>]

01:29:16   off whenever you're ready quote why is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5356">TS</a>]

01:29:18   this program taking so long to run and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5358">TS</a>]

01:29:20   quote big milestone today my son's first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5360">TS</a>]

01:29:22   infinite loop then he asked why the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5362">TS</a>]

01:29:24   programming courseware website he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5364">TS</a>]

01:29:25   using can't just tell him there's an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5365">TS</a>]

01:29:27   infinite loop instead of trying to run [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5367">TS</a>]

01:29:28   the program as written I introduced him [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5368">TS</a>]

01:29:30   to the halting problem but he wasn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5370">TS</a>]

01:29:31   impressed so do you want to fill in any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5371">TS</a>]

01:29:33   other context or just jump into the what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5373">TS</a>]

01:29:36   is the halting problem so the context [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5376">TS</a>]

01:29:38   here is that I tried to show my kids [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5378">TS</a>]

01:29:41   both of my kids programming it very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5381">TS</a>]

01:29:44   early ages say if you're interested this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5384">TS</a>]

01:29:46   is the thing I can show you how to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5386">TS</a>]

01:29:47   but of course me being a father they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5387">TS</a>]

01:29:48   don't want to have anything to do it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5388">TS</a>]

01:29:50   I know how to do so fine or whatever so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5390">TS</a>]

01:29:51   I just laid off like they were into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5391">TS</a>]

01:29:53   whatever they're into but my son is in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5393">TS</a>]

01:29:56   eighth grade now and he's looking to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5396">TS</a>]

01:29:58   take he wants to take a computer science [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5398">TS</a>]

01:30:00   course in ninth grade which is awesome [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5400">TS</a>]

01:30:01   that it's even offered I didn't have any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5401">TS</a>]

01:30:02   computer science courses in my high [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5402">TS</a>]

01:30:04   school yes they had computers but they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5404">TS</a>]

01:30:05   were Apple twos but anyway he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5405">TS</a>]

01:30:08   interested in taking that maybe just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5408">TS</a>]

01:30:09   because his friends are interested it I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5409">TS</a>]

01:30:10   can't tell if he's really interested in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5410">TS</a>]

01:30:11   it but he's trying to get into an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5411">TS</a>]

01:30:15   advanced level computer science class [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5415">TS</a>]

01:30:16   and he wants to have some experience so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5416">TS</a>]

01:30:19   he's going through this online course or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5419">TS</a>]

01:30:20   a thing with his friends right this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5420">TS</a>]

01:30:21   all is all him right but I'm offering to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5421">TS</a>]

01:30:24   help him with it so that's why he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5424">TS</a>]

01:30:27   doing any kind of programming stuff at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5427">TS</a>]

01:30:28   all and it's pretty late in the game and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5428">TS</a>]

01:30:30   the grand scheme of things he's got like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5430">TS</a>]

01:30:31   five year-olds who are writing iOS apps [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5431">TS</a>]

01:30:32   and a lot of on stage at Apple things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5432">TS</a>]

01:30:34   and stuff like that and he's you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5434">TS</a>]

01:30:35   he's not a precocious programmer but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5435">TS</a>]

01:30:37   he's getting into it and so I'm trying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5437">TS</a>]

01:30:40   to help them you know as laid-back way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5440">TS</a>]

01:30:42   as possible because you don't help too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5442">TS</a>]

01:30:44   much you know because like becomes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5444">TS</a>]

01:30:46   uncool if dad's into it whatever and he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5446">TS</a>]

01:30:48   did write an infinite loop and he did it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5448">TS</a>]

01:30:50   asked me like the course where it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5450">TS</a>]

01:30:51   running his program for it and like it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5451">TS</a>]

01:30:53   just was like a spinner on the web babe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5453">TS</a>]

01:30:54   and he's like why is it taking so long [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5454">TS</a>]

01:30:55   he they write an infant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5455">TS</a>]

01:30:57   I feel like it really is a milestone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5457">TS</a>]

01:30:58   like the first time you do that and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5458">TS</a>]

01:31:00   don't understand what the hell's going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5460">TS</a>]

01:31:01   on in your program specifically he was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5461">TS</a>]

01:31:03   he was iterating over an array and in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5463">TS</a>]

01:31:07   inside the loop he was adding I am to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5467">TS</a>]

01:31:08   the end of the array which is a pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5468">TS</a>]

01:31:10   fun way to do your first infinite loop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5470">TS</a>]

01:31:11   as opposed to just like forgetting to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5471">TS</a>]

01:31:13   check for termination condition he was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5473">TS</a>]

01:31:14   iterating over listed he kept growing at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5474">TS</a>]

01:31:15   the same pace he was iterating over it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5475">TS</a>]

01:31:17   so that was fun [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5477">TS</a>]

01:31:18   apologies to the courseware website for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5478">TS</a>]

01:31:20   the for the infinite loop bomb my son [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5480">TS</a>]

01:31:22   invoked on you as he opened up tab after [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5482">TS</a>]

01:31:24   tab and tried to run the same program it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5484">TS</a>]

01:31:28   wasn't he didn't do a fork bomb but he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5488">TS</a>]

01:31:30   not he's not up at that process level [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5490">TS</a>]

01:31:31   yet so I did try to say actually there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5491">TS</a>]

01:31:34   a general problem about this the halting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5494">TS</a>]

01:31:35   problem and to finally get to answer the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5495">TS</a>]

01:31:38   specific question how would you go about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5498">TS</a>]

01:31:39   explaining it part of the knowledge and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5499">TS</a>]

01:31:43   wisdom I'm trying to impart on him as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5503">TS</a>]

01:31:45   part of this is not the specifics of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5505">TS</a>]

01:31:46   whatever he's doing about programming [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5506">TS</a>]

01:31:48   which I figure will come on his own but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5508">TS</a>]

01:31:50   how do you how do you how do programmers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5510">TS</a>]

01:31:54   do this how do you figure stuff out and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5514">TS</a>]

01:31:56   early on I want to show them if you have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5516">TS</a>]

01:31:58   a question about how something works the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5518">TS</a>]

01:32:00   magic of the Internet you know after me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5520">TS</a>]

01:32:02   saying you know up hill both ways how I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5522">TS</a>]

01:32:04   had to do it in my day so on and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5524">TS</a>]

01:32:06   forth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5526">TS</a>]

01:32:06   you can just type your question into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5526">TS</a>]

01:32:08   Google and every like a Stack Overflow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5528">TS</a>]

01:32:09   answer like you know how to concatenate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5529">TS</a>]

01:32:11   strings you know in Python or whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5531">TS</a>]

01:32:13   like the answer is right there you don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5533">TS</a>]

01:32:16   have to ask me you don't have to wonder [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5536">TS</a>]

01:32:17   just type it into Google search box so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5537">TS</a>]

01:32:20   for the halting problem rather than me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5540">TS</a>]

01:32:22   trying to explain this is what the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5542">TS</a>]

01:32:24   halting problem is based on like my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5544">TS</a>]

01:32:25   memory of it from school you know or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5545">TS</a>]

01:32:27   just like even just in broad strokes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5547">TS</a>]

01:32:29   just go to the Wikipedia page for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5549">TS</a>]

01:32:31   halting problem and there's like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5551">TS</a>]

01:32:33   paragraph at the top it does a pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5553">TS</a>]

01:32:35   good job of explaining more or less what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5555">TS</a>]

01:32:36   the halting problem is in links to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5556">TS</a>]

01:32:37   examples and so on and so forth but the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5557">TS</a>]

01:32:39   idea is that you shouldn't ask your dad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5559">TS</a>]

01:32:41   or ask someone next to you to explain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5561">TS</a>]

01:32:43   what the halting problem is you are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5563">TS</a>]

01:32:44   empowered because you have the whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5564">TS</a>]

01:32:46   internet at your fingertips to find out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5566">TS</a>]

01:32:48   the answer to this question quickly and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5568">TS</a>]

01:32:49   in a much more authoritative way than me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5569">TS</a>]

01:32:51   trying to you know recite it from memory [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5571">TS</a>]

01:32:54   because if I was gonna recite it from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5574">TS</a>]

01:32:55   memory if I was gonna talk about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5575">TS</a>]

01:32:56   halting problem on this show I almost [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5576">TS</a>]

01:32:58   did it when I saw his question I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5578">TS</a>]

01:32:59   like oh I should go to the Wikipedia [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5579">TS</a>]

01:33:00   page and and paste the first bit but no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5580">TS</a>]

01:33:02   like the lesson is you this is one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5582">TS</a>]

01:33:05   those things that you don't have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5585">TS</a>]

01:33:06   memorize and even if you know it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5586">TS</a>]

01:33:08   backwards and forwards it's difficult [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5588">TS</a>]

01:33:09   sometimes to explain something that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5589">TS</a>]

01:33:11   no if you haven't like taught a course [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5591">TS</a>]

01:33:12   into five or six times so use the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5592">TS</a>]

01:33:15   Internet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5595">TS</a>]

01:33:15   use the tools that are available to you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5595">TS</a>]

01:33:16   don't rely on other people to explain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5596">TS</a>]

01:33:18   things I haven't yet explained to him [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5598">TS</a>]

01:33:20   about it Wikipedia being a tertiary [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5600">TS</a>]

01:33:22   source a little crap but here we go one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5602">TS</a>]

01:33:25   step at a time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5605">TS</a>]

01:33:25   there's only so much dad that kids can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5605">TS</a>]

01:33:27   take in one dose all right thanks to our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5607">TS</a>]

01:33:30   sponsors this week [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5610">TS</a>]

01:33:32   and we'll see you next week now the show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5612">TS</a>]

01:33:38   is over to be y el asesor that's Casey [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5618">TS</a>]

01:34:13   less and a are Co AR m and T Marco [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5653">TS</a>]

01:34:18   Arment [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5658">TS</a>]

01:34:20   [Music] [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5660">TS</a>]

01:34:36   [Music] [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5676">TS</a>]

01:34:38   all right so last week we what was the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5678">TS</a>]

01:34:41   the Genesis the question I should have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5681">TS</a>]

01:34:43   left in the show notes but we were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5683">TS</a>]

01:34:44   talking about like cars and things and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5684">TS</a>]

01:34:47   rolling double zero in the chat [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5687">TS</a>]

01:34:49   suggested something that hopefully you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5689">TS</a>]

01:34:52   guys have at least put two minutes of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5692">TS</a>]

01:34:54   thought into which I know Marko hasn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5694">TS</a>]

01:34:56   and John maybe has oh no I put exactly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5696">TS</a>]

01:34:58   two minutes of thought into it alright [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5698">TS</a>]

01:35:00   well that works for me what car would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5700">TS</a>]

01:35:02   you pick for your other hosts now I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5702">TS</a>]

01:35:04   didn't ask [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5704">TS</a>]

01:35:06   rollin 0-0 nor did I clarify what do you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5706">TS</a>]

01:35:10   mean by that is it the car you think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5710">TS</a>]

01:35:13   they would enjoy the most is it the car [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5713">TS</a>]

01:35:15   you would most like to see them in is it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5715">TS</a>]

01:35:17   the car that you would get to just troll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5717">TS</a>]

01:35:19   them and I didn't want to give you guys [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5719">TS</a>]

01:35:23   any sort of direction about any of this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5723">TS</a>]

01:35:26   so I have answered the question in my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5726">TS</a>]

01:35:30   own way but I don't have to go first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5730">TS</a>]

01:35:33   this time since I was very aggressively [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5733">TS</a>]

01:35:35   first during ask ATP so which one of you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5735">TS</a>]

01:35:37   would like to volunteer to tell each of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5737">TS</a>]

01:35:40   us what cars we should be driving I'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5740">TS</a>]

01:35:43   do it if you want all right Marko feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5743">TS</a>]

01:35:45   free all right this is fairly easy for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5745">TS</a>]

01:35:49   Casey you would have the new m3 period [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5749">TS</a>]

01:35:51   well what's that your criteria is what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5751">TS</a>]

01:35:54   car would I most like to drive I guess [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5754">TS</a>]

01:35:57   yeah my criteria basically I mean if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5757">TS</a>]

01:35:59   we're assuming that like you know I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5759">TS</a>]

01:36:00   don't have to worry about how much these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5760">TS</a>]

01:36:01   cars cost they're just being paid for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5761">TS</a>]

01:36:04   somehow and that I guess get to decide [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5764">TS</a>]

01:36:06   which car you have then my rationale [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5766">TS</a>]

01:36:09   here is which car would you be most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5769">TS</a>]

01:36:12   happy with you know what is the car that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5772">TS</a>]

01:36:15   you should have and so I think it's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5775">TS</a>]

01:36:18   m3 done and John a little bit harder I I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5778">TS</a>]

01:36:24   was kind of thinking maybe the m5 or if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5784">TS</a>]

01:36:28   he doesn't want to go necessary that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5788">TS</a>]

01:36:29   large because I know I know like your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5789">TS</a>]

01:36:31   parking situations a little bit tight [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5791">TS</a>]

01:36:32   over there so I figured maybe you might [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5792">TS</a>]

01:36:36   also go with something in the 3-series [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5796">TS</a>]

01:36:40   range maybe your dad's old 3-series that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5800">TS</a>]

01:36:43   you like but like a faster one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5803">TS</a>]

01:36:44   like like it maybe like the 335 of that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5804">TS</a>]

01:36:46   generation maybe something like that but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5806">TS</a>]

01:36:49   probably just I think John I think my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5809">TS</a>]

01:36:51   answer is actually gonna be just the new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5811">TS</a>]

01:36:53   m5 so new m3 4kc new m5 for John why for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5813">TS</a>]

01:36:57   me I understand your reasoning for KC [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5817">TS</a>]

01:36:58   what's your reasoning for me like why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5818">TS</a>]

01:37:00   are you even picking from BMWs for me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5820">TS</a>]

01:37:01   well I know you wouldn't actually enjoy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5821">TS</a>]

01:37:03   owning a Ferrari I know that you like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5823">TS</a>]

01:37:07   Mercedes but I'm too young to know how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5827">TS</a>]

01:37:10   to select one I went with the brand that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5830">TS</a>]

01:37:15   I know how to use and how to pick from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5835">TS</a>]

01:37:17   that gives you what you want which is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5837">TS</a>]

01:37:20   similar to eylem which is a nice big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5840">TS</a>]

01:37:21   faster damn like you like those and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5841">TS</a>]

01:37:24   know you're not gonna get see here's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5844">TS</a>]

01:37:27   problem though I know you like stick a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5847">TS</a>]

01:37:28   lot and that can't you can't have that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5848">TS</a>]

01:37:30   in stick so maybe I try to find you an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5850">TS</a>]

01:37:33   f10 generation in a stick which they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5853">TS</a>]

01:37:36   probably made like three of those total [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5856">TS</a>]

01:37:38   but maybe that's the right answer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5858">TS</a>]

01:37:41   people didn't like those those stick [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5861">TS</a>]

01:37:42   shifts they said that the manual was not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5862">TS</a>]

01:37:45   very good in that car [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5865">TS</a>]

01:37:46   yeah see this it's it's picking for you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5866">TS</a>]

01:37:48   is very challenging picking for case is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5868">TS</a>]

01:37:51   easy because I know what he wants it so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5871">TS</a>]

01:37:52   it's easy picking for you is is harder [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5872">TS</a>]

01:37:55   but you know I don't think Mercedes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5875">TS</a>]

01:37:56   makes any sticks either that you would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5876">TS</a>]

01:37:58   want but I don't know no yeah I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5878">TS</a>]

01:38:01   know that but I think so I'm gonna stand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5881">TS</a>]

01:38:03   by my answer of the new m5 but with some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5883">TS</a>]

01:38:05   reservations I was proud of KC for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5885">TS</a>]

01:38:08   recognizing what a terrible question [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5888">TS</a>]

01:38:09   this is saying but I don't care and I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5889">TS</a>]

01:38:14   not gonna clarify so let's just all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5894">TS</a>]

01:38:15   interpret the question or however that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5895">TS</a>]

01:38:17   we want this question is terrible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5897">TS</a>]

01:38:19   because it just has no parameters [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5899">TS</a>]

01:38:20   whatsoever oh just to have a little fun [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5900">TS</a>]

01:38:24   it's not useful anyway so if I had to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5904">TS</a>]

01:38:27   pick first I'd have to pick the how to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5907">TS</a>]

01:38:30   interpret this question but I'd say how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5910">TS</a>]

01:38:33   did you interpret the question I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5913">TS</a>]

01:38:35   mostly interpreting as a car I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5915">TS</a>]

01:38:39   that you would enjoy that you wouldn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5919">TS</a>]

01:38:41   buy for yourself it's like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5921">TS</a>]

01:38:42   gift-giving type thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5922">TS</a>]

01:38:43   sure okay I like that interpret um for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5923">TS</a>]

01:38:47   Casey I think I would go with a caiman [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5927">TS</a>]

01:38:50   slash Boxster whichever one comes with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5930">TS</a>]

01:38:52   the sunroof or and or convertible 718 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5932">TS</a>]

01:38:54   whatever the hell it's called now or I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5934">TS</a>]

01:38:56   would actually maybe go with it with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5936">TS</a>]

01:38:59   previous generation that's what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5939">TS</a>]

01:39:00   naturally aspirated because I think you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5940">TS</a>]

01:39:02   would really enjoy a stick-shift caiman [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5942">TS</a>]

01:39:04   because you get that open-air driving [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5944">TS</a>]

01:39:05   experience I think it would be a more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5945">TS</a>]

01:39:07   fun dynamic driving experience than all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5947">TS</a>]

01:39:09   of your like regular car cars and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5949">TS</a>]

01:39:11   just an all-around great car like not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5951">TS</a>]

01:39:13   super - super fast not too super loud [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5953">TS</a>]

01:39:16   not as small and wimpy as a Miata which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5956">TS</a>]

01:39:20   I think you would also enjoy by the way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5960">TS</a>]

01:39:22   I thought I would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5962">TS</a>]

01:39:24   it's like it's like the big boy Miata so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5964">TS</a>]

01:39:25   I would I would go with a caiman [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5965">TS</a>]

01:39:27   I like that choice I drove I probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5967">TS</a>]

01:39:30   told the story maybe on neutral I drove [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5970">TS</a>]

01:39:32   a Boxster S early on in the life time of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5972">TS</a>]

01:39:36   the Boxster's this was circa 2005 maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5976">TS</a>]

01:39:41   2006 and I think the Box had only been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5981">TS</a>]

01:39:44   out for a couple of years at that point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5984">TS</a>]

01:39:45   I might have these dates wrong but you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5985">TS</a>]

01:39:46   get the idea [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5986">TS</a>]

01:39:47   and I got in that car expecting to hate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5987">TS</a>]

01:39:50   it oh it's a you know poor man's 911 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5990">TS</a>]

01:39:53   it's just garbage this is gonna be crap [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5993">TS</a>]

01:39:56   and I loved it I couldn't believe how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5996">TS</a>]

01:40:00   much I loved it and that was you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6000">TS</a>]

01:40:02   ten plus years ago so I can only imagine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6002">TS</a>]

01:40:04   I came in or you know whatever the new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6004">TS</a>]

01:40:06   Boxster came in like the epic a - the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6006">TS</a>]

01:40:09   the natural have spread one right before [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6009">TS</a>]

01:40:10   they change to 718 it's just an amazing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6010">TS</a>]

01:40:12   all-around balance it's fun a not too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6012">TS</a>]

01:40:15   ridiculous car and you wouldn't buy it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6015">TS</a>]

01:40:16   for yourself because you're like oh I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6016">TS</a>]

01:40:17   gotta have a car that can put car seat [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6017">TS</a>]

01:40:19   in it oh yeah but I feel like with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6019">TS</a>]

01:40:21   giant shoebox thing that you've got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6021">TS</a>]

01:40:23   going on for the whole family it would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6023">TS</a>]

01:40:27   be a nice compromise of like a small [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6027">TS</a>]

01:40:29   small ish fun interesting fast enough to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6029">TS</a>]

01:40:33   be cool open air kind of car nice and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6033">TS</a>]

01:40:36   for Marco from Marco a little bit torn [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6036">TS</a>]

01:40:39   on this my my go-to would say and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6039">TS</a>]

01:40:41   especially if I'm not allowed to pick [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6041">TS</a>]

01:40:43   from like future models because a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6043">TS</a>]

01:40:44   people coming out with cars that I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6044">TS</a>]

01:40:45   you would enjoy more than most of my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6045">TS</a>]

01:40:46   picks because like everyone else all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6046">TS</a>]

01:40:48   other tests the competitors are coming [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6048">TS</a>]

01:40:49   but they're not here yet so I can't pick [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6049">TS</a>]

01:40:51   them agree mom [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6051">TS</a>]

01:40:52   so I would go I would probably shop on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6052">TS</a>]

01:40:56   the Mercedes range because I truly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6056">TS</a>]

01:40:57   continuous ADEs perhaps more than he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6057">TS</a>]

01:41:01   enjoyed his m5 and so I probably go kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6061">TS</a>]

01:41:06   of like what I was I'd pick up myself in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6066">TS</a>]

01:41:07   that preview show like it like an AMG [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6067">TS</a>]

01:41:09   II class if I could find the right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6069">TS</a>]

01:41:11   balance of options and features to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6071">TS</a>]

01:41:13   satisfy and if not believe it or not I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6073">TS</a>]

01:41:15   would probably look at howdy there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6075">TS</a>]

01:41:17   another brand that Marco seems to have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6077">TS</a>]

01:41:18   not wanted to really consider for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6078">TS</a>]

01:41:21   himself but I think there are models in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6081">TS</a>]

01:41:22   that range that he would really enjoy so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6082">TS</a>]

01:41:24   those would be my picks a mid-sized [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6084">TS</a>]

01:41:26   Mercedes and if I can't find the right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6086">TS</a>]

01:41:27   set of options in car in model year I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6087">TS</a>]

01:41:29   would go Abby I think those are good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6089">TS</a>]

01:41:31   choices Marco thoughts it's reasonable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6091">TS</a>]

01:41:34   yeah I mean I haven't driven a Mercedes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6094">TS</a>]

01:41:37   or an Audi in a long time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6097">TS</a>]

01:41:39   when I have driven those cars I have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6099">TS</a>]

01:41:42   been incredibly unimpressed with their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6102">TS</a>]

01:41:45   media and navigation systems but you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6105">TS</a>]

01:41:48   know I would give it a shot and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6108">TS</a>]

01:41:50   thing is wouldn't buy for yourself [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6110">TS</a>]

01:41:52   because you're all electric so basically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6112">TS</a>]

01:41:53   all gas cars are now cars that Marco [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6113">TS</a>]

01:41:55   wouldn't buy for himself there yeah and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6115">TS</a>]

01:41:58   and he had the 1m right so I feel like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6118">TS</a>]

01:42:01   if that was a thing that he still wanted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6121">TS</a>]

01:42:03   he would have gone back to I well but he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6123">TS</a>]

01:42:05   hasn't so that's why I'm picking like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6125">TS</a>]

01:42:07   regular normal size [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6127">TS</a>]

01:42:08   you know mid-sized cars I think those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6128">TS</a>]

01:42:11   are good choices alright so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6131">TS</a>]

01:42:12   interpreted this as what do I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6132">TS</a>]

01:42:15   would be the best fit for my co-host and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6135">TS</a>]

01:42:19   they may or may not buy this but my my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6139">TS</a>]

01:42:21   rule was I couldn't just say like oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6141">TS</a>]

01:42:24   well Marco just wants another Tesla so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6144">TS</a>]

01:42:26   actually thought it was a little easier [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6146">TS</a>]

01:42:29   to pick for John because the options I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6149">TS</a>]

01:42:32   came up with were a new mazda6 which I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6152">TS</a>]

01:42:35   think he would quite like and is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6155">TS</a>]

01:42:39   basically what you already have just a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6159">TS</a>]

01:42:41   different manufacturer and and I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6161">TS</a>]

01:42:43   always thought the mazda6 is with there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6163">TS</a>]

01:42:45   was one really crummy generation which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6165">TS</a>]

01:42:47   is the generation after Aaron so this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6167">TS</a>]

01:42:49   was like late 2000s early early 2010's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6169">TS</a>]

01:42:52   which was not attractive at all but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6172">TS</a>]

01:42:54   every other monster six has always been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6174">TS</a>]

01:42:56   pretty attractive in my eyes and we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6176">TS</a>]

01:42:58   loved Aaron's Mazda 6 who treated us so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6178">TS</a>]

01:43:00   really really well and I think John you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6180">TS</a>]

01:43:01   would like that but the other thing I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6181">TS</a>]

01:43:03   was thinking about even though [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6183">TS</a>]

01:43:07   III really think hatchbacks are dumb [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6187">TS</a>]

01:43:10   sorry Europeans I think would love a GTI [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6190">TS</a>]

01:43:12   I really think you would love a GTI John [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6192">TS</a>]

01:43:15   I think that's definitely a car I would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6195">TS</a>]

01:43:18   not buy for myself [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6198">TS</a>]

01:43:22   but do you like leaving aside the fact [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6202">TS</a>]

01:43:24   that hatchbacks are stupid do you think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6204">TS</a>]

01:43:28   it with a stick I think the main thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6208">TS</a>]

01:43:31   the main thing I would enjoy about a GTI [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6211">TS</a>]

01:43:33   is the small ish size both in length and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6213">TS</a>]

01:43:37   width but they're not as small as they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6217">TS</a>]

01:43:40   used to be and they're definitely not as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6220">TS</a>]

01:43:41   light as they used to be so I'm not sure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6221">TS</a>]

01:43:43   I would get that much enjoyment out of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6223">TS</a>]

01:43:45   it fair enough [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6225">TS</a>]

01:43:46   well those were my picks for for John [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6226">TS</a>]

01:43:48   and obviously the you know the the clear [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6228">TS</a>]

01:43:49   answer was the Ferrari which is like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6229">TS</a>]

01:43:51   Marco said like that would be that would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6231">TS</a>]

01:43:53   actually probably make John more unhappy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6233">TS</a>]

01:43:55   than happy exactly if you again this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6235">TS</a>]

01:43:57   the question is so vague you could say a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6237">TS</a>]

01:44:00   Ferrari and and a mansion with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6240">TS</a>]

01:44:02   heated garage to start in and say fair [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6242">TS</a>]

01:44:06   enough [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6246">TS</a>]

01:44:07   Marco I actually found harder because I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6247">TS</a>]

01:44:09   really do think that the Tesla in in in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6249">TS</a>]

01:44:11   the current iteration of Marco and Marco [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6251">TS</a>]

01:44:13   version 2017 or 2018 I think this is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6253">TS</a>]

01:44:16   the Model S is probably the perfect car [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6256">TS</a>]

01:44:18   for you Marco however if I couldn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6258">TS</a>]

01:44:20   choose that what would I choose and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6260">TS</a>]

01:44:22   obvious answer is a brand new m5 I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6262">TS</a>]

01:44:25   you would quite like that it gives you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6265">TS</a>]

01:44:26   the all-wheel drive that you didn't have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6266">TS</a>]

01:44:28   last for the last iteration it's just as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6268">TS</a>]

01:44:31   quick as your Tesla or Daenerys makes no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6271">TS</a>]

01:44:33   difference if not quicker but then I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6273">TS</a>]

01:44:36   thought okay what are some more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6276">TS</a>]

01:44:37   interesting choices and I thought to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6277">TS</a>]

01:44:40   myself well what about a Prius Prime [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6280">TS</a>]

01:44:42   which is somewhat insulting and I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6282">TS</a>]

01:44:45   mean it to be but my parents have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6285">TS</a>]

01:44:48   Prius Prime which I plug-in Prius and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6288">TS</a>]

01:44:51   is for what it is thinking like what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6291">TS</a>]

01:45:04   would you if you're so bent on electric [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6304">TS</a>]

01:45:06   then then what would I mean I guess the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6306">TS</a>]

01:45:09   Chevy Volt maybe but that seems like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6309">TS</a>]

01:45:13   you're gonna get a much worse electric [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6313">TS</a>]

01:45:16   slash hybrid car than what he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6316">TS</a>]

01:45:18   now that's a bad idea and the Prius [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6318">TS</a>]

01:45:20   Prime is that perhaps the ugliest car on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6320">TS</a>]

01:45:22   the road today [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6322">TS</a>]

01:45:23   none of the Aztec is that function [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6323">TS</a>]

01:45:29   wasn't designed to be a punishment it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6329">TS</a>]

01:45:31   was taking your insistence on having an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6331">TS</a>]

01:45:34   electric car in mind but I don't think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6334">TS</a>]

01:45:37   that's a terribly good answer either I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6337">TS</a>]

01:45:38   was just throwing it out there very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6338">TS</a>]

01:45:39   active conversation and then I thought [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6339">TS</a>]

01:45:42   to myself well let me think about Marco [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6342">TS</a>]

01:45:44   less as a driver but more is just like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6344">TS</a>]

01:45:48   let me think about Marcos personality [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6348">TS</a>]

01:45:50   and disposition Marcos tends to obsess [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6350">TS</a>]

01:45:53   over things and I have this quality in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6353">TS</a>]

01:45:55   me as well so I can recognize it in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6355">TS</a>]

01:45:56   others you know tends to obsess over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6356">TS</a>]

01:45:58   things and get just like really really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6358">TS</a>]

01:46:00   deep into something and just I'm gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6360">TS</a>]

01:46:03   explore it to the to the most extreme [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6363">TS</a>]

01:46:05   depths and I will explore every avenue [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6365">TS</a>]

01:46:08   of it I will know something front to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6368">TS</a>]

01:46:10   back in and out left and right what kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6370">TS</a>]

01:46:13   of car would Marco be able to do that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6373">TS</a>]

01:46:17   sort of thing with you would need a car [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6377">TS</a>]

01:46:19   that's like I don't know like an erector [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6379">TS</a>]

01:46:22   set or like a like a like a Lego set [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6382">TS</a>]

01:46:25   what color I know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6385">TS</a>]

01:46:28   Marco should have a Wrangler because you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6388">TS</a>]

01:46:31   could have 17 different tops you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6391">TS</a>]

01:46:33   have 17 different doors you can have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6393">TS</a>]

01:46:36   six-speed if you want it and you could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6396">TS</a>]

01:46:38   go rock crawling in in the little hills [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6398">TS</a>]

01:46:41   and mountains of New York and you could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6401">TS</a>]

01:46:42   go driving off-road up you know up in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6402">TS</a>]

01:46:45   tips parents house you could do all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6405">TS</a>]

01:46:47   those things you could have different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6407">TS</a>]

01:46:48   winches it's imagine the fun you would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6408">TS</a>]

01:46:50   have Marco figuring out the exact right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6410">TS</a>]

01:46:52   winch you should put on the front of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6412">TS</a>]

01:46:54   that car and getting the is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6414">TS</a>]

01:46:55   extraordinarily expensive winch that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6415">TS</a>]

01:46:58   weighs just 5 pounds left less than the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6418">TS</a>]

01:47:00   one that's half the cost but you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6420">TS</a>]

01:47:02   you're saving that weight and you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6422">TS</a>]

01:47:04   it's better off that way imagine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6424">TS</a>]

01:47:05   deciding exactly how big a gas can you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6425">TS</a>]

01:47:08   want to put on the rear bumper for when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6428">TS</a>]

01:47:10   you're going off-road do you want five [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6430">TS</a>]

01:47:11   five gallons oh no no I think I want six [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6431">TS</a>]

01:47:14   this is like your perfect car it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6434">TS</a>]

01:47:17   nothing but useless decisions that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6437">TS</a>]

01:47:19   can throw oodles of money at this car is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6439">TS</a>]

01:47:22   made for you you're gonna get a Porsche [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6442">TS</a>]

01:47:24   with Doodles of money and useless [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6444">TS</a>]

01:47:27   the Wrangler is like didn't you hear the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6447">TS</a>]

01:47:31   discussion of head burns you can get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6451">TS</a>]

01:47:35   with a hardtop but I know you're not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6455">TS</a>]

01:47:37   going to agree with this but I stand by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6457">TS</a>]

01:47:39   this decision it this is what I get for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6459">TS</a>]

01:47:41   all the mac pro talk I get it I totally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6461">TS</a>]

01:47:44   well done sir [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6464">TS</a>]

01:47:46   I have speechless I you have done it I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6466">TS</a>]

01:47:50   commend you excellent job I know you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6470">TS</a>]

01:47:57   don't have any interest in a Wrangler [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6477">TS</a>]

01:47:58   like I get that but if you just put [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6478">TS</a>]

01:48:00   aside the fact you have no interest in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6480">TS</a>]

01:48:01   the thing I want you to have interested [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6481">TS</a>]

01:48:03   like there's so many ways you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6483">TS</a>]

01:48:05   customize this you could have a soft top [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6485">TS</a>]

01:48:07   you could have a soft top that makes it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6487">TS</a>]

01:48:09   look kind of like a pickup you could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6489">TS</a>]

01:48:11   have a hardtop you could have a hardtop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6491">TS</a>]

01:48:12   with a little convertible section you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6492">TS</a>]

01:48:14   could have a winch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6494">TS</a>]

01:48:15   you could have onboard air inflation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6495">TS</a>]

01:48:18   system you can have different spare tire [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6498">TS</a>]

01:48:21   set up you'll mean all the different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6501">TS</a>]

01:48:23   things you could do to this car oh my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6503">TS</a>]

01:48:25   word I think it's perfect for you but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6505">TS</a>]

01:48:27   anyway the actual answer I have is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6507">TS</a>]

01:48:29   either an m5 or Hardy 63 AMG oh my god [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6509">TS</a>]

01:48:32   like is it possible to make a custom [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6512">TS</a>]

01:48:36   configuration of the Jeep Wrangler that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6516">TS</a>]

01:48:39   I would tolerate and I'm pretty sure the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6519">TS</a>]

01:48:41   answer is no I don't I don't think you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6521">TS</a>]

01:48:44   do it I challenge you to try I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6524">TS</a>]

01:48:46   think it's possible I think the problem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6526">TS</a>]

01:48:50   is what I really want is like a Wrangler [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6530">TS</a>]

01:48:51   equivalent that's a sedan that's like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6531">TS</a>]

01:48:54   go-fast again you know something where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6534">TS</a>]

01:48:55   you could mess with the tops and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6535">TS</a>]

01:48:57   could have I mean you could put [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6537">TS</a>]

01:48:58   different wheels on any car but like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6538">TS</a>]

01:49:00   really stand by that you would just get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6540">TS</a>]

01:49:03   wrapped around the axle but I'm wrapped [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6543">TS</a>]

01:49:06   around the axle with all these different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6546">TS</a>]

01:49:08   decisions you can make in all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6548">TS</a>]

01:49:09   different tweaks you can make like this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6549">TS</a>]

01:49:10   is why I think and I feel I get I would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6550">TS</a>]

01:49:13   guess that you and I would enjoy camping [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6553">TS</a>]

01:49:15   an equivalent amount and the difference [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6555">TS</a>]

01:49:16   is you've actually gone camping and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6556">TS</a>]

01:49:18   have not but that's a similar thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6558">TS</a>]

01:49:20   where I could see really either of us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6560">TS</a>]

01:49:22   all these things I'm really just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6562">TS</a>]

01:49:23   projecting onto you well I could see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6563">TS</a>]

01:49:25   either of us obsessing over well the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6565">TS</a>]

01:49:28   aluminum spoon in fork and knife set [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6568">TS</a>]

01:49:30   ways one else but the titanium spoon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6570">TS</a>]

01:49:33   fork and knife set weighs a half an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6573">TS</a>]

01:49:35   ounce and even though it's literally ten [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6575">TS</a>]

01:49:37   times the cost that half an ounce in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6577">TS</a>]

01:49:39   aggregate and aggregate adds up like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6579">TS</a>]

01:49:41   it's the same sort of thing right like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6581">TS</a>]

01:49:43   could see you going or me going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6583">TS</a>]

01:49:44   ridiculous about camping equipment in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6584">TS</a>]

01:49:46   the same way I could see you or me going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6586">TS</a>]

01:49:48   ridiculous with your Tinkertoys Wrangler [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6588">TS</a>]

01:49:51   so you forgot to expand our silly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6591">TS</a>]

01:49:54   unconfined question to say okay Marco [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6594">TS</a>]

01:49:57   all of a sudden you live in the middle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6597">TS</a>]

01:49:59   of nowhere there are no paved roads to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6599">TS</a>]

01:50:01   your house and you have like hundreds of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6601">TS</a>]

01:50:05   acres that you have to patrol to hunt [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6605">TS</a>]

01:50:07   for your own food then all of a sudden [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6607">TS</a>]

01:50:08   mark was interested in a jeep wrangler [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6608">TS</a>]

01:50:10   because he has a reason you know a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6610">TS</a>]

01:50:14   pretty good off-road easy to get into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6614">TS</a>]

01:50:17   and out of four-wheel drive vehicle to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6617">TS</a>]

01:50:20   wander around his property with and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6620">TS</a>]

01:50:22   we can you know get out when he needs to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6622">TS</a>]

01:50:24   get to the hospital fifty miles away you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6624">TS</a>]

01:50:27   can construct a scenario which Marco [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6627">TS</a>]

01:50:29   would want a Jeep Wrangler but the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6629">TS</a>]

01:50:31   scenario where he lives now is not it no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6631">TS</a>]

01:50:33   not even close do you know you're not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6633">TS</a>]

01:50:36   you're not picking up what I'm putting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6636">TS</a>]

01:50:37   down on this one are you surprised by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6637">TS</a>]

01:50:40   that no I'm not can we at least concede [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6640">TS</a>]

01:50:44   though can you at least concede that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6644">TS</a>]

01:50:46   can see that the tweak enos of it that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6646">TS</a>]

01:50:48   you can just just dial it in just right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6648">TS</a>]

01:50:50   like don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6650">TS</a>]

01:50:51   I concede nothing come on I completely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6651">TS</a>]

01:50:54   disagree because it's tweaking a bunch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6654">TS</a>]

01:50:57   of things that I don't care about it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6657">TS</a>]

01:50:59   like no matter what you tweak about that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6659">TS</a>]

01:51:02   build I still don't want it and never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6662">TS</a>]

01:51:04   will like you can like it's like asking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6664">TS</a>]

01:51:08   me like how do I want to set the EQ for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6668">TS</a>]

01:51:10   my day of Matthews Band I can take a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6670">TS</a>]

01:51:14   of things look I can I love it I could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6674">TS</a>]

01:51:16   take a lot of the EQ that's how you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6676">TS</a>]

01:51:18   every band - 90 decibels that's how I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6678">TS</a>]

01:51:23   would set it I was proud of my response [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6683">TS</a>]

01:51:26   dammit then I stand by it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6686">TS</a>]

01:51:27   but that's okay stick with the m5 that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6687">TS</a>]

01:51:30   was a good response [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6690">TS</a>]

01:51:30   was a good response [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6690">TS</a>]

00:00:00   I kind of feel like I should have just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/0">TS</a>]

00:00:01   left TIFF here and left the show because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1">TS</a>]

00:00:03   we had so much awesome feedback about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3">TS</a>]

00:00:05   how not only how great she was but how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5">TS</a>]

00:00:07   much better she was than me but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/7">TS</a>]

00:00:11   unfortunately you guys are stuck with me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/11">TS</a>]

00:00:12   this week all right let's start with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/12">TS</a>]

00:00:15   some follow-up and Bradley Davis writes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/15">TS</a>]

00:00:17   in with regard to hard to hit up/down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/17">TS</a>]

00:00:19   arrow keys on the new MacBook Pros the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/19">TS</a>]

00:00:22   bottom hero of the new MacBooks is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/22">TS</a>]

00:00:23   shorter than the previous generation the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/23">TS</a>]

00:00:25   bottom really used to be taller than all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/25">TS</a>]

00:00:26   the other rows now it's the same height [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/26">TS</a>]

00:00:28   huge loss in my opinion especially as a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/28">TS</a>]

00:00:30   programmer who uses modifier keys more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/30">TS</a>]

00:00:31   than your average person I didn't even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/31">TS</a>]

00:00:34   believe this so I measured it at work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/34">TS</a>]

00:00:35   and he is totally right did you guys [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/35">TS</a>]

00:00:37   both realize that in the right up until [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/37">TS</a>]

00:00:40   the 2016-2017 on the MacBook Pros the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/40">TS</a>]

00:00:43   like the spacebar and that whole row was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/43">TS</a>]

00:00:45   taller than all the other rows of keys [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/45">TS</a>]

00:00:46   nope I know I'm curious hold on I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/46">TS</a>]

00:00:51   thought it's plausible but it can't be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/51">TS</a>]

00:00:53   that much bigger so I measured it it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/53">TS</a>]

00:00:54   it's appreciably bigger you can you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/54">TS</a>]

00:00:56   I didn't have I was using the side of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/56">TS</a>]

00:00:58   credit card or whatever but you can you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/58">TS</a>]

00:00:59   know get a ruler and see how much bigger [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/59">TS</a>]

00:01:01   it's but it's at least like 5% bigger I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/61">TS</a>]

00:01:03   don't know if I believe let me get out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/63">TS</a>]

00:01:05   my behemoth of Oracle so while you guys [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/65">TS</a>]

00:01:07   get out things to measure the reason [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/67">TS</a>]

00:01:09   this is relevant is not so much that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/69">TS</a>]

00:01:10   it's hard or actually but are we getting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/70">TS</a>]

00:01:12   out to measure I'm getting at a digital [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/72">TS</a>]

00:01:14   caliper what are you getting at to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/74">TS</a>]

00:01:15   measure nevermind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/75">TS</a>]

00:01:16   wow this look a little bit taller it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/76">TS</a>]

00:01:19   so they're saying the reason it makes a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/79">TS</a>]

00:01:22   difference is not because it's easier to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/82">TS</a>]

00:01:24   hit the spacebar or the command key or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/84">TS</a>]

00:01:25   anything but because the arrow keys oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/85">TS</a>]

00:01:27   yeah it's a huge difference the up and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/87">TS</a>]

00:01:29   down our keys are jammed into a single [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/89">TS</a>]

00:01:31   key space and I was complaining it I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/91">TS</a>]

00:01:32   felt that was a little bit harder to hit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/92">TS</a>]

00:01:33   the up figure out the up and down arrow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/93">TS</a>]

00:01:35   keys and the new MacBook Pros even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/95">TS</a>]

00:01:37   though it's like the same layout it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/97">TS</a>]

00:01:38   the same layout but the with taller keys [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/98">TS</a>]

00:01:41   each half the top half and the bottom [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/101">TS</a>]

00:01:42   half are bigger so it makes a difference [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/102">TS</a>]

00:01:45   particularly for the arrow keys yeah so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/105">TS</a>]

00:01:46   the height of the command key my 2015 is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/106">TS</a>]

00:01:48   17 point 8 millimeters and then the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/108">TS</a>]

00:01:51   height of the keys and the row above it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/111">TS</a>]

00:01:52   are only 15 point 2 that's surprising by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/112">TS</a>]

00:01:56   the way only tangentially related if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/116">TS</a>]

00:01:58   ever have a longing for the 17-inch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/118">TS</a>]

00:02:02   MacBook Pro which I always thought was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/122">TS</a>]

00:02:03   just hilariously stupid but I know that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/123">TS</a>]

00:02:06   there are people that love it I do not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/126">TS</a>]

00:02:07   need to hear from you I'm just saying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/127">TS</a>]

00:02:09   it's not for me anyway if you ever want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/129">TS</a>]

00:02:11   to make your 15-inch feel like a 17 inch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/131">TS</a>]

00:02:13   from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/133">TS</a>]

00:02:13   you know the days of the past spend a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/133">TS</a>]

00:02:16   couple of months using exclusively [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/136">TS</a>]

00:02:18   either a 27-inch iMac or a more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/138">TS</a>]

00:02:21   importantly a 12-inch MacBook adorable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/141">TS</a>]

00:02:24   and then bust out your work 15-inch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/144">TS</a>]

00:02:26   MacBook for the first time in two months [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/146">TS</a>]

00:02:28   holy monkey that thing is enormous it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/148">TS</a>]

00:02:31   just gigantic compared to the little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/151">TS</a>]

00:02:35   MacBook adorable that I'm used to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/155">TS</a>]

00:02:36   well I'll tell you what I mean like like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/156">TS</a>]

00:02:38   even you know during during my great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/158">TS</a>]

00:02:40   laptop shuffle of 2016-2017 when I for a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/160">TS</a>]

00:02:45   while there owned the 13-inch MacBook [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/165">TS</a>]

00:02:47   escape that that to me is a it's such a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/167">TS</a>]

00:02:50   great size and I and I do intend to go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/170">TS</a>]

00:02:52   back to that probably in the next [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/172">TS</a>]

00:02:53   generation whatever comes out but when I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/173">TS</a>]

00:02:56   was using that even after years of using [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/176">TS</a>]

00:02:58   15 inches a lot of the time I would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/178">TS</a>]

00:03:01   occasionally see a 15-inch out in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/181">TS</a>]

00:03:03   world and it would it would look crazy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/183">TS</a>]

00:03:05   to me even the brand-new like the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/185">TS</a>]

00:03:07   current generation ones that are better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/187">TS</a>]

00:03:08   you know a little more compact in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/188">TS</a>]

00:03:10   old ones once you're used to whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/190">TS</a>]

00:03:12   size you're used to anything above it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/192">TS</a>]

00:03:15   looks like a monster good but you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/195">TS</a>]

00:03:17   by comparison yeah it it's started [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/197">TS</a>]

00:03:21   striking the difference but that's okay [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/201">TS</a>]

00:03:23   but today I did a half day at work from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/203">TS</a>]

00:03:25   for the first time since January ah half [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/205">TS</a>]

00:03:28   congratulations yeah I was speaking of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/208">TS</a>]

00:03:31   work in giant laptops I you I had my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/211">TS</a>]

00:03:35   15-inch 2017 MacBook Pro at about 85% [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/215">TS</a>]

00:03:39   charge and I did a one-hour meeting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/219">TS</a>]

00:03:43   where I projected during the meeting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/223">TS</a>]

00:03:45   dream my whole battery the machine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/225">TS</a>]

00:03:47   shutdown Wow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/227">TS</a>]

00:03:49   I watched it go down the whole medium [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/229">TS</a>]

00:03:51   its WebEx the magic of WebEx like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/231">TS</a>]

00:03:55   single one-hour meeting from 85 percent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/235">TS</a>]

00:03:57   to basically you can no longer wear in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/237">TS</a>]

00:03:59   your computer sorry off yeah because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/239">TS</a>]

00:04:01   that's you say WebEx is I don't I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/241">TS</a>]

00:04:03   never used WebEx but I I assume it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/243">TS</a>]

00:04:05   pretty inefficient on the CPU right we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/245">TS</a>]

00:04:07   need to have a special episode where we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/247">TS</a>]

00:04:08   just make Marco use all software and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/248">TS</a>]

00:04:11   then I would imagine too that you but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/251">TS</a>]

00:04:15   that you were plugged in you said to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/255">TS</a>]

00:04:16   you're projecting I was so that dooms [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/256">TS</a>]

00:04:19   the discrete GPU was forced on the whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/259">TS</a>]

00:04:21   time and so it was basically as if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/261">TS</a>]

00:04:23   were playing a game and like playing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/263">TS</a>]

00:04:25   your GPUs on your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/265">TS</a>]

00:04:27   CPU is probably being maxed out because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/267">TS</a>]

00:04:29   it sounds like the software is terrible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/269">TS</a>]

00:04:30   so yeah that's gonna be about one hour [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/270">TS</a>]

00:04:32   battery life it was bad you know I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/272">TS</a>]

00:04:36   the most popular advertisements that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/276">TS</a>]

00:04:38   we've ever run on this show were the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/278">TS</a>]

00:04:39   ones that cards against Mandy did where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/279">TS</a>]

00:04:41   we where John was forced to try a new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/281">TS</a>]

00:04:43   usually garbage toaster each week I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/283">TS</a>]

00:04:46   think it is possible if the cards [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/286">TS</a>]

00:04:50   against humanity' folks are listening [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/290">TS</a>]

00:04:51   that making Marco use some piece of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/291">TS</a>]

00:04:54   enterprise grade software once for a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/294">TS</a>]

00:04:57   once per ad that might be an even more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/297">TS</a>]

00:05:00   popular even better segment because it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/300">TS</a>]

00:05:03   would be magical you would probably quit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/303">TS</a>]

00:05:06   the show just from just from being near [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/306">TS</a>]

00:05:09   enterprise these sort of things that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/309">TS</a>]

00:05:11   John and I have to deal with every day [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/311">TS</a>]

00:05:12   yeah I would I would make a switch to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/312">TS</a>]

00:05:14   patreon the trick is though that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/314">TS</a>]

00:05:17   have to be forced to use them like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/317">TS</a>]

00:05:20   they're mandated by the company or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/320">TS</a>]

00:05:21   because you have to like teleconference [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/321">TS</a>]

00:05:23   so you need to use the only approved [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/323">TS</a>]

00:05:24   teleconference offer that you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/324">TS</a>]

00:05:25   everybody has right that's the part of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/325">TS</a>]

00:05:27   its not just using the software it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/327">TS</a>]

00:05:29   that you have two toasters kind of work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/329">TS</a>]

00:05:30   because like I maybe I'll be making [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/330">TS</a>]

00:05:32   toast anyway but there's no way Marco is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/332">TS</a>]

00:05:34   going to even be doing the things that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/334">TS</a>]

00:05:35   these that's true programs you know are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/335">TS</a>]

00:05:37   made to do let alone being forced to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/337">TS</a>]

00:05:39   them are to be Kendall writes in if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/339">TS</a>]

00:05:42   think the MacBooks arrowkey setup is bad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/342">TS</a>]

00:05:44   check Dells recipe for annoyance and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/344">TS</a>]

00:05:46   there's a link included so imagine the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/346">TS</a>]

00:05:49   same arrow key setup that we have in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/349">TS</a>]

00:05:53   brand-new MacBook Pros but just for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/353">TS</a>]

00:05:55   funsies let's put page up and page down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/355">TS</a>]

00:05:58   in the dead space between so I'm sorry I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/358">TS</a>]

00:06:01   guess it's not like a new MacBook Pros [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/361">TS</a>]

00:06:02   like the previous MacBook Pros and we'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/362">TS</a>]

00:06:03   put a page up and page down in the dead [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/363">TS</a>]

00:06:05   space to the left and right of the up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/365">TS</a>]

00:06:07   arrow key so if you're looking at it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/367">TS</a>]

00:06:09   it's page up and then below that is left [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/369">TS</a>]

00:06:12   up and down page down and below that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/372">TS</a>]

00:06:15   right it looks horrible I'm sure if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/375">TS</a>]

00:06:18   get used to it it's convenient but oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/378">TS</a>]

00:06:19   man it does not look it's not because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/379">TS</a>]

00:06:22   like if you accidentally hit like see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/382">TS</a>]

00:06:24   it's above the arrow keys right so if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/384">TS</a>]

00:06:26   you accidentally hit the wrong key [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/386">TS</a>]

00:06:27   trying to go for left you don't go more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/387">TS</a>]

00:06:29   left you go page up which is totally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/389">TS</a>]

00:06:32   unrelated to left but that's the key [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/392">TS</a>]

00:06:35   that's near there so I would never want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/395">TS</a>]

00:06:37   to like fumble tooth and and what if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/397">TS</a>]

00:06:39   didn't notice you fumble it and then you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/399">TS</a>]

00:06:40   like didn't think you actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/400">TS</a>]

00:06:41   so you hit left arrow you've done left [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/401">TS</a>]

00:06:43   one character or whatever but you don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/403">TS</a>]

00:06:45   realize you're a page up from where you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/405">TS</a>]

00:06:46   were and it's just well it's really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/406">TS</a>]

00:06:48   terrible and they also overlook [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/408">TS</a>]

00:06:50   brightness the up and down arrow keys [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/410">TS</a>]

00:06:51   what I'm assuming that's a modifier [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/411">TS</a>]

00:06:52   thing but it'd be kind of funny if it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/412">TS</a>]

00:06:54   wasn't like every time gonna move the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/414">TS</a>]

00:06:56   cursor up you get a little brighter you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/416">TS</a>]

00:06:59   can keep moving down the document but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/419">TS</a>]

00:07:00   eventually you can't see it anymore [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/420">TS</a>]

00:07:03   no this this like I feel like and part [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/423">TS</a>]

00:07:07   of the reason and I swear I'm not gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/427">TS</a>]

00:07:08   make this all about apples dumb laptop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/428">TS</a>]

00:07:09   keyboards but part of the reason why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/429">TS</a>]

00:07:11   Apple's keyboard design offenses bother [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/431">TS</a>]

00:07:15   me so much is because we have it so good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/435">TS</a>]

00:07:16   in Apple and that usually their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/436">TS</a>]

00:07:18   keyboards don't have horrendous flaws [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/438">TS</a>]

00:07:19   and if you look over in the PC land like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/439">TS</a>]

00:07:21   I mean you can get a ton of really nice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/441">TS</a>]

00:07:25   PC desktop keyboards but once you get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/445">TS</a>]

00:07:29   into laptops especially a mass-market [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/449">TS</a>]

00:07:31   laptops especially small laptops you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/451">TS</a>]

00:07:33   know like you can get the big gamer ones [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/453">TS</a>]

00:07:35   that have the built-in mechanical key [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/455">TS</a>]

00:07:36   switches but like once you get down to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/456">TS</a>]

00:07:37   like Nats market small laptops PC [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/457">TS</a>]

00:07:41   designs are all over the place and have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/461">TS</a>]

00:07:44   horrendous bad design choices about as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/464">TS</a>]

00:07:47   often as the worst of Apple you know we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/467">TS</a>]

00:07:50   just we normally are not seeing this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/470">TS</a>]

00:07:52   from Apple land because we don't buy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/472">TS</a>]

00:07:54   these things and so if we're kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/474">TS</a>]

00:07:56   spoiled that like when Apple does have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/476">TS</a>]

00:07:58   generation where they really stood [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/478">TS</a>]

00:07:59   really terrible keyboard like our heads [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/479">TS</a>]

00:08:01   explode because we can't take it whereas [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/481">TS</a>]

00:08:04   like on the PC side this is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/484">TS</a>]

00:08:06   commonplace occurrence it's it's that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/486">TS</a>]

00:08:09   time so now I have a question you are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/489">TS</a>]

00:08:11   there in mark oh you wouldn't know this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/491">TS</a>]

00:08:13   but maybe John would are there like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/493">TS</a>]

00:08:15   rabid Dell fanboys on the way there were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/495">TS</a>]

00:08:17   like five ten years ago because you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/497">TS</a>]

00:08:19   how like there were the Apple fanboys [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/499">TS</a>]

00:08:22   like well us and then there were all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/502">TS</a>]

00:08:24   people on the PC side they were all like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/504">TS</a>]

00:08:26   devout Dell people and I feel like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/506">TS</a>]

00:08:28   haven't run into any of them in years do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/508">TS</a>]

00:08:32   they still exist I've never met someone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/512">TS</a>]

00:08:34   who's super into Dell we all know that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/514">TS</a>]

00:08:36   there are people who love ThinkPads I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/516">TS</a>]

00:08:37   mean in case you're one of them oh yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/517">TS</a>]

00:08:40   and let me think I mean obviously this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/520">TS</a>]

00:08:42   this enthusiasm for the specialty brands [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/522">TS</a>]

00:08:44   like Alienware or Asus or even for you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/524">TS</a>]

00:08:47   know gaming focused stuff but Dell or HP [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/527">TS</a>]

00:08:50   I mean the closest I can get to that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/530">TS</a>]

00:08:52   I think there was a lot of brand loyalty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/532">TS</a>]

00:08:54   behind gateway 2000 yeah back when they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/534">TS</a>]

00:08:56   had the cow boxes and B and before it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/536">TS</a>]

00:08:58   was 2000 but that was my first computer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/538">TS</a>]

00:09:00   same but that but that was more of like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/540">TS</a>]

00:09:02   a mainstream thing and not like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/542">TS</a>]

00:09:03   computer enthusiasts thing but if there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/543">TS</a>]

00:09:05   are Dell enthusiasts I have not run [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/545">TS</a>]

00:09:06   across their path like my brother-in-law [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/546">TS</a>]

00:09:08   for example was a huge Dale enthusiast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/548">TS</a>]

00:09:10   as much as one can be up until a few [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/550">TS</a>]

00:09:13   years ago and then he started buying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/553">TS</a>]

00:09:15   surfaces surface or things I don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/555">TS</a>]

00:09:18   whatever and he's been really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/558">TS</a>]

00:09:20   enthusiastic about those ever since but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/560">TS</a>]

00:09:22   and maybe that's what they did is all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/562">TS</a>]

00:09:23   the Dell people went and bought surfaces [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/563">TS</a>]

00:09:25   but I know I just had occurred to me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/565">TS</a>]

00:09:26   that I haven't seen anyone that's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/566">TS</a>]

00:09:28   really amped for Dell in a long time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/568">TS</a>]

00:09:30   anyway [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/570">TS</a>]

00:09:31   and our final bit of follow up just a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/571">TS</a>]

00:09:33   small anecdote from the kitchen in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/573">TS</a>]

00:09:36   list household earlier tonight we were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/576">TS</a>]

00:09:38   Aaron was making dinner and I was doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/578">TS</a>]

00:09:41   something with with Declan and oh I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/581">TS</a>]

00:09:44   I I was walking around carrying Michaela [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/584">TS</a>]

00:09:47   in a little carrier on my chest and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/587">TS</a>]

00:09:50   multitasking and playing breath of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/590">TS</a>]

00:09:51   wild at the same time because I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/591">TS</a>]

00:09:53   started to pick that up again and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/593">TS</a>]

00:09:55   Declan caught wind of what I was doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/595">TS</a>]

00:09:57   and he was like oh I want to watch and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/597">TS</a>]

00:09:58   we don't really like giving Declan a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/598">TS</a>]

00:10:00   whole ton of screen time if we can avoid [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/600">TS</a>]

00:10:02   it so what I decided to do was set a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/602">TS</a>]

00:10:04   timer for myself and remind me not to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/604">TS</a>]

00:10:08   play Zelda for more than like five or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/608">TS</a>]

00:10:10   ten minutes while Declan was watching [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/610">TS</a>]

00:10:11   and I was just gonna put it away this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/611">TS</a>]

00:10:13   a hell of a multitask yeah well you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/613">TS</a>]

00:10:15   I do what I can so so I asked the lady [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/615">TS</a>]

00:10:18   in a tube to remind me to stop playing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/618">TS</a>]

00:10:21   Zelda in five minutes or something like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/621">TS</a>]

00:10:23   that and I think the key is that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/623">TS</a>]

00:10:24   phrased it with remind which I'm not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/624">TS</a>]

00:10:26   sure why I did that but that's what I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/626">TS</a>]

00:10:28   did and she got really really confused [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/628">TS</a>]

00:10:30   and apparently there's like a whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/630">TS</a>]

00:10:32   different reminders versus timers setup [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/632">TS</a>]

00:10:36   which makes sense but I'd never you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/636">TS</a>]

00:10:38   experienced this in my week in a day [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/638">TS</a>]

00:10:40   with you know a lady in a tube in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/640">TS</a>]

00:10:42   house so anyway so I'm like going back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/642">TS</a>]

00:10:44   and forth with with the echo trying to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/644">TS</a>]

00:10:46   get it to just set what amounts it to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/646">TS</a>]

00:10:48   like a five minute timer and I'm you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/648">TS</a>]

00:10:51   know this was my fault I phrased it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/651">TS</a>]

00:10:52   poorly no big deal but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/652">TS</a>]

00:10:54   what was funny was from the kitchen I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/654">TS</a>]

00:10:56   hear Aaron say something along the lines [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/656">TS</a>]

00:10:58   of oh come on Siri get your act together [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/658">TS</a>]

00:11:01   knowing full well I was talking to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/661">TS</a>]

00:11:03   echo so here it was that she was using [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/663">TS</a>]

00:11:06   like she was she was calling the echo [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/666">TS</a>]

00:11:09   Siri as a not derogatory the sun--the or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/669">TS</a>]

00:11:12   what I'm looking for but like as a like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/672">TS</a>]

00:11:14   a put-down you know like she was saying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/674">TS</a>]

00:11:16   oh this is reminding me of how terrible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/676">TS</a>]

00:11:19   Syria's in so many words [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/679">TS</a>]

00:11:20   and I thought that was kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/680">TS</a>]

00:11:22   interesting because Aaron is the most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/682">TS</a>]

00:11:25   normal person in the list household by a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/685">TS</a>]

00:11:27   far margin and so it was interesting to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/687">TS</a>]

00:11:30   me to see her kind of associate and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/690">TS</a>]

00:11:32   equate a crummy voice experience with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/692">TS</a>]

00:11:36   Siri because you know early on I thought [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/696">TS</a>]

00:11:39   that and I was reflecting on this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/699">TS</a>]

00:11:41   briefly on Twitter earlier early on I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/701">TS</a>]

00:11:43   actually thought Siri was extremely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/703">TS</a>]

00:11:45   impressive like like the first year - I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/705">TS</a>]

00:11:47   thought Siri was really good and then it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/707">TS</a>]

00:11:49   seemed like everyone else started to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/709">TS</a>]

00:11:51   either create their own voices [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/711">TS</a>]

00:11:52   assistance or make their own voice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/712">TS</a>]

00:11:55   assistance really a whole lot better and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/715">TS</a>]

00:11:57   ever since the first year or two when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/717">TS</a>]

00:12:00   series brand new I've really been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/720">TS</a>]

00:12:02   unimpressed as we've talked about on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/722">TS</a>]

00:12:03   show more than once and as we've used [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/723">TS</a>]

00:12:06   the echo for more and more things I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/726">TS</a>]

00:12:08   been more more impressed by it so a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/728">TS</a>]

00:12:09   silly example of that we were listening [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/729">TS</a>]

00:12:12   to vinyl we were listening to the album [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/732">TS</a>]

00:12:13   thriller the terrible song the girl is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/733">TS</a>]

00:12:16   mine came on which is a collaboration [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/736">TS</a>]

00:12:18   between McCartney and Jackson and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/738">TS</a>]

00:12:20   asked I asked the lady a tube something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/740">TS</a>]

00:12:23   along the lines of how much older is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/743">TS</a>]

00:12:25   Michael jack all right I'm sorry it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/745">TS</a>]

00:12:27   Paul McCartney the Michael Jackson and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/747">TS</a>]

00:12:28   she knew exactly what I was talking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/748">TS</a>]

00:12:30   about and gave me the answer and I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/750">TS</a>]

00:12:31   was like 16 years and I think I had even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/751">TS</a>]

00:12:33   asked if I recall correctly I'd asked if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/753">TS</a>]

00:12:36   Michael Jackson were alive today how old [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/756">TS</a>]

00:12:38   would he be and I thought that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/758">TS</a>]

00:12:40   stretching a bit like I was not gonna be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/760">TS</a>]

00:12:42   surprised if the lady in the tube would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/762">TS</a>]

00:12:44   not know what the crap I was asking and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/764">TS</a>]

00:12:46   sure enough she gave me an answer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/766">TS</a>]

00:12:48   couldn't tell you what it was offhand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/768">TS</a>]

00:12:49   but she gave me an answer and that like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/769">TS</a>]

00:12:51   if I haven't tried it but if I ask Siri [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/771">TS</a>]

00:12:53   how old Michael Jackson be today I would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/773">TS</a>]

00:12:56   be very surprised if Siri had any darn [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/776">TS</a>]

00:12:58   idea what I was talking about and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/778">TS</a>]

00:13:00   fact that I don't think even think it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/780">TS</a>]

00:13:01   worth trying is itself an indication of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/781">TS</a>]

00:13:04   my lack of confidence in Siri well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/784">TS</a>]

00:13:07   next time you ask one of those questions [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/787">TS</a>]

00:13:09   and you're and you're impressed or not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/789">TS</a>]

00:13:10   impressed by by happy echo does take out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/790">TS</a>]

00:13:13   your phone rest here the same thing it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/793">TS</a>]

00:13:14   is it is kind of useful as commentators [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/794">TS</a>]

00:13:17   and enthusiasts in this field to do that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/797">TS</a>]

00:13:18   and compare like you know how are these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/798">TS</a>]

00:13:20   things doing with the things that I what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/800">TS</a>]

00:13:22   that I think I should ask them because I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/802">TS</a>]

00:13:24   found whenever I do that I do find the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/804">TS</a>]

00:13:26   echo devices to have better answers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/806">TS</a>]

00:13:30   faster more of the time but they don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/810">TS</a>]

00:13:34   always get them and Siri doesn't always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/814">TS</a>]

00:13:36   not get them you know it's just it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/816">TS</a>]

00:13:38   series average is worse for me but but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/818">TS</a>]

00:13:41   the the Alexa devices are actually not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/821">TS</a>]

00:13:44   perfect either they just have better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/824">TS</a>]

00:13:46   averages I do I do think they like going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/826">TS</a>]

00:13:50   back to the to the beginning of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/830">TS</a>]

00:13:51   story though I just I wish that these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/831">TS</a>]

00:13:55   devices handled the the basic like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/835">TS</a>]

00:13:59   basic PDA functions like the things that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/839">TS</a>]

00:14:02   like all computing hardware and stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/842">TS</a>]

00:14:05   have tried to do since the beginning of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/845">TS</a>]

00:14:06   time that almost everyone needs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/846">TS</a>]

00:14:09   reminders alarms [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/849">TS</a>]

00:14:11   timers calendar like these are very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/851">TS</a>]

00:14:14   basic things that everything should be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/854">TS</a>]

00:14:18   able to do these days and the fact that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/858">TS</a>]

00:14:21   like you know and the echo devices I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/861">TS</a>]

00:14:23   think do a pretty good job on a timer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/863">TS</a>]

00:14:25   front that I think their timer support [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/865">TS</a>]

00:14:26   is excellent their alarms are basically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/866">TS</a>]

00:14:28   just like timers they're excellent as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/868">TS</a>]

00:14:30   well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/870">TS</a>]

00:14:31   iPhones and and you know I stuff as we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/871">TS</a>]

00:14:34   as we talked about with the home pod [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/874">TS</a>]

00:14:35   long she's not having multiple timers or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/875">TS</a>]

00:14:37   name time or things like that like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/877">TS</a>]

00:14:38   that's still so far behind and it just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/878">TS</a>]

00:14:40   seems like that like that stuff is not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/880">TS</a>]

00:14:42   that hard from a programming perspective [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/882">TS</a>]

00:14:44   like that isn't that hard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/884">TS</a>]

00:14:46   it just seems it's it seems baffling to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/886">TS</a>]

00:14:49   me that anything any of these like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/889">TS</a>]

00:14:52   voice assistant services or devices [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/892">TS</a>]

00:14:53   launch these days without totally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/893">TS</a>]

00:14:56   nailing reminders timers alarms and was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/896">TS</a>]

00:15:01   your own calendar like those should be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/901">TS</a>]

00:15:03   easy and at least like calendar I can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/903">TS</a>]

00:15:05   kind of understand if any of them don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/905">TS</a>]

00:15:08   because you have to like connect two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/908">TS</a>]

00:15:09   different services and maybe you don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/909">TS</a>]

00:15:11   they don't support the one you use or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/911">TS</a>]

00:15:12   you haven't set it up or whatever but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/912">TS</a>]

00:15:14   like reminders should be local on device [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/914">TS</a>]

00:15:16   if they if they don't have any kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/916">TS</a>]

00:15:18   same thing set up like that that's easy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/918">TS</a>]

00:15:19   you know remind me at this time too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/919">TS</a>]

00:15:21   do this like they just they should just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/921">TS</a>]

00:15:22   treat that as a timer and it's like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/922">TS</a>]

00:15:24   fact that anything that is that simple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/924">TS</a>]

00:15:26   to do doesn't work properly on any of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/926">TS</a>]

00:15:30   these things it should be kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/930">TS</a>]

00:15:31   embarrassing I think we discussed the in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/931">TS</a>]

00:15:33   the past on this topic I'm still waiting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/933">TS</a>]

00:15:35   for like forget about how far beyond [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/935">TS</a>]

00:15:38   Syria may be and its own but I'm still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/938">TS</a>]

00:15:40   waiting for the next logical step in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/940">TS</a>]

00:15:42   this well I guess this two one is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/942">TS</a>]

00:15:45   advancement of the vocabulary [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/945">TS</a>]

00:15:46   surrounding the things Marco just said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/946">TS</a>]

00:15:49   echo and Google home are pretty good and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/949">TS</a>]

00:15:52   as you know as Casey found you just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/952">TS</a>]

00:15:53   phrase it the way you think and it'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/953">TS</a>]

00:15:55   mostly figure it out but the next [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/955">TS</a>]

00:15:56   logical step is some and I think then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/956">TS</a>]

00:15:59   maybe the reason this is so difficult [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/959">TS</a>]

00:16:01   that are require more Hardware locally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/961">TS</a>]

00:16:03   is some some context awareness to allow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/963">TS</a>]

00:16:06   the beginnings of a conversation about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/966">TS</a>]

00:16:08   things because although these devices [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/968">TS</a>]

00:16:12   are flexible about how we request the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/972">TS</a>]

00:16:14   things you can phrase it a different way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/974">TS</a>]

00:16:15   someone somewhere that it ends up being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/975">TS</a>]

00:16:17   single command single response there is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/977">TS</a>]

00:16:20   no semblance of a conversation for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/980">TS</a>]

00:16:22   most part except for in very rudimentary [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/982">TS</a>]

00:16:24   things will ever ask for confirmation or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/984">TS</a>]

00:16:26   something or sometimes cereal ask for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/986">TS</a>]

00:16:29   basic clarification but I would rather [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/989">TS</a>]

00:16:31   be able to speak in him even more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/991">TS</a>]

00:16:33   offhand manner clarifying with a series [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/993">TS</a>]

00:16:36   of grunts yeah that's necessary right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/996">TS</a>]

00:16:39   like you interact with people like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/999">TS</a>]

00:16:40   there is that there is context like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1000">TS</a>]

00:16:42   the thing doesn't entirely forget about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1002">TS</a>]

00:16:44   the interaction you had three seconds [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1004">TS</a>]

00:16:46   ago when you make some other requests [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1006">TS</a>]

00:16:48   that it can figure out what you mean oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1008">TS</a>]

00:16:49   yeah I forgot also blah blah blah that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1009">TS</a>]

00:16:52   hasn't forgotten the the previous [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1012">TS</a>]

00:16:54   context just basic conversation thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1014">TS</a>]

00:16:57   I'm not saying is you know it's got to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1017">TS</a>]

00:16:58   have deep conversations with me and my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1018">TS</a>]

00:16:59   name saying has to be like Eliza right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1019">TS</a>]

00:17:00   but I feel like that's the next logical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1020">TS</a>]

00:17:03   step into this right if Apple still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1023">TS</a>]

00:17:06   can't even do multiple timers by the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1026">TS</a>]

00:17:08   time the competitors get to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1028">TS</a>]

00:17:11   beginnings of a conversation phase we'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1031">TS</a>]

00:17:13   be lucky if Apple is being able to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1033">TS</a>]

00:17:16   the basics of all the things Marco [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1036">TS</a>]

00:17:18   listed in a flexible way a real-time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1038">TS</a>]

00:17:22   follow-up I did ask Siri you know how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1042">TS</a>]

00:17:24   old would Michael Jackson be today and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1044">TS</a>]

00:17:25   got a web search so no surprise there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1045">TS</a>]

00:17:28   the trick for it by the way the trick [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1048">TS</a>]

00:17:31   for doing comparisons you got to make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1051">TS</a>]

00:17:33   sure you were to make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1053">TS</a>]

00:17:34   exactly the same way to be fair because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1054">TS</a>]

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00:19:55   there's going to be an onboarding screen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1195">TS</a>]

00:19:58   for every single damn app on future [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1198">TS</a>]

00:20:01   versions of iOS we've seen a little of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1201">TS</a>]

00:20:04   this trickle out over the last few [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1204">TS</a>]

00:20:06   months and how do you pronounce this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1206">TS</a>]

00:20:08   it's a gear may Rambo mr. Rambo mr. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1208">TS</a>]

00:20:13   Rambo who is underscore inside on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1213">TS</a>]

00:20:15   Twitter he first jumped into my radar [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1215">TS</a>]

00:20:19   screen by being one of the people that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1219">TS</a>]

00:20:21   was tag teaming with Steve trout and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1221">TS</a>]

00:20:23   Smith during the home pod firmware I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1223">TS</a>]

00:20:27   don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1227">TS</a>]

00:20:28   picking about or you know the hyenas [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1228">TS</a>]

00:20:31   went and and picked at the home pod [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1231">TS</a>]

00:20:33   firmware but anyways he had tweeted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1233">TS</a>]

00:20:35   earlier Apple is busy adding onboarding [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1235">TS</a>]

00:20:38   screens to every single iOS feature and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1238">TS</a>]

00:20:39   here's a screenshot of welcome to videos [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1239">TS</a>]

00:20:41   browse your library watch anytime [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1241">TS</a>]

00:20:43   anywhere enjoy extras etc and mr. Rambo [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1243">TS</a>]

00:20:47   if you please has been going through [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1247">TS</a>]

00:20:48   other iOS features and finding similar [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1248">TS</a>]

00:20:50   things I don't get this I don't think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1250">TS</a>]

00:20:54   it's necessarily bad even though in any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1254">TS</a>]

00:20:57   time I get asked to make an onboarding [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1257">TS</a>]

00:21:00   screen I always fight tooth and nail to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1260">TS</a>]

00:21:02   avoid it but I mean for for novice users [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1262">TS</a>]

00:21:06   or new users I don't think that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1266">TS</a>]

00:21:07   necessarily bad but what do you guys [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1267">TS</a>]

00:21:09   think about this let's start with Marco [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1269">TS</a>]

00:21:10   as a user when I am when I just install [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1270">TS</a>]

00:21:14   an iOS update and I get these screens in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1274">TS</a>]

00:21:18   every app I try to use I'm annoyed by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1278">TS</a>]

00:21:20   them I I don't like them as a user from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1280">TS</a>]

00:21:24   Apple's point of view though from from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1284">TS</a>]

00:21:25   the developer point of view like I see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1285">TS</a>]

00:21:27   that side as well because I'm a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1287">TS</a>]

00:21:28   developer and I've never had one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1288">TS</a>]

00:21:30   these screens in any of my apps but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1290">TS</a>]

00:21:32   kind of need them sometimes because when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1292">TS</a>]

00:21:36   you when you're updating your software [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1296">TS</a>]

00:21:40   it's really hard to communicate to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1300">TS</a>]

00:21:43   people when things have changed in a way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1303">TS</a>]

00:21:45   that is helpful and not annoying and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1305">TS</a>]

00:21:50   and they will actually you know see or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1310">TS</a>]

00:21:51   hear or you know remember this is a very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1311">TS</a>]

00:21:54   hard problem and so there have been lots [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1314">TS</a>]

00:21:57   of times where I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1317">TS</a>]

00:22:00   make a change and I'll you know mention [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1320">TS</a>]

00:22:02   it on the Twitter account or I'll write [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1322">TS</a>]

00:22:04   a blog post about it or something but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1324">TS</a>]

00:22:06   the fact is like some tiny percentage of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1326">TS</a>]

00:22:08   my audience actually looks at those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1328">TS</a>]

00:22:10   things like most of the users of the app [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1330">TS</a>]

00:22:12   don't know when I've change anything I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1332">TS</a>]

00:22:14   can put things in the app store update [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1334">TS</a>]

00:22:16   notes which I do but no one sees those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1336">TS</a>]

00:22:18   either for the most part because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1338">TS</a>]

00:22:20   everyone Auto updates and no one ever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1340">TS</a>]

00:22:21   looks at the notes so it's it's really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1341">TS</a>]

00:22:25   hard to communicate feature changes and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1345">TS</a>]

00:22:28   improvements and and you know UI changes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1348">TS</a>]

00:22:30   that aren't immediately obvious it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1350">TS</a>]

00:22:32   very hard to communicate that to an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1352">TS</a>]

00:22:34   existing user base new users it isn't a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1354">TS</a>]

00:22:36   problem as much because new users you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1356">TS</a>]

00:22:38   know a they don't care what how things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1358">TS</a>]

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00:22:41   have to tell them what things have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1361">TS</a>]

00:22:42   changed and be new users tend to be more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1362">TS</a>]

00:22:45   exploratory they'll like poke through [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1365">TS</a>]

00:22:46   settings screen stuff to select what the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1366">TS</a>]

00:22:47   app can do so if you just added some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1367">TS</a>]

00:22:49   settings or added some new features like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1369">TS</a>]

00:22:51   they'll find them as they poke around [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1371">TS</a>]

00:22:52   the whole the whole rest of the app but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1372">TS</a>]

00:22:53   how you communicate this to existing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1373">TS</a>]

00:22:56   users is always a challenge [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1376">TS</a>]

00:22:57   so Apple faces the same problems than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1377">TS</a>]

00:23:01   any other fail / does which is you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1381">TS</a>]

00:23:03   some small percentage of users of Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1383">TS</a>]

00:23:05   devices pay attention when they like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1385">TS</a>]

00:23:07   announce a new feature in a keynote or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1387">TS</a>]

00:23:09   on on apple.com or whatever else but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1389">TS</a>]

00:23:12   most of their customers don't see that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1392">TS</a>]

00:23:14   and if even even the ones that do don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1394">TS</a>]

00:23:16   all remember it by the time they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1396">TS</a>]

00:23:18   actually using these things so Apple has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1398">TS</a>]

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00:23:21   developer has which is how do they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1401">TS</a>]

00:23:23   communicate changes to their app or even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1403">TS</a>]

00:23:27   do they communicate changes to their app [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1407">TS</a>]

00:23:29   which is a valid question to ask or do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1409">TS</a>]

00:23:31   they just kind of let the app stand on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1411">TS</a>]

00:23:33   its own and let people figure it out so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1413">TS</a>]

00:23:35   this is Apple I think trying you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1415">TS</a>]

00:23:39   trying a new way of doing this so far [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1419">TS</a>]

00:23:41   they've really not communicated changes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1421">TS</a>]

00:23:43   to the apps in the app stem cells [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1423">TS</a>]

00:23:45   they've usually just made the changes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1425">TS</a>]

00:23:47   mention it in you know press events and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1427">TS</a>]

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00:23:50   of find them when they when they update [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1430">TS</a>]

00:23:52   and this is a different approach this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1432">TS</a>]

00:23:55   them saying you know what let's put up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1435">TS</a>]

00:23:56   these little helpful sheets the first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1436">TS</a>]

00:23:58   time you launch some of these apps [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1438">TS</a>]

00:23:59   saying hey here's what's new in this app [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1439">TS</a>]

00:24:00   in this version of iOS again I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1440">TS</a>]

00:24:04   love these as a user but I see why they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1444">TS</a>]

00:24:08   do it it solves a problem and it's not a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1448">TS</a>]

00:24:12   great problem but it's it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1452">TS</a>]

00:24:14   problem nonetheless and it solves it in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1454">TS</a>]

00:24:16   not a great way but it might be like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1456">TS</a>]

00:24:19   least crappy way we've thought of so far [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1459">TS</a>]

00:24:21   so I don't object very strongly I see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1461">TS</a>]

00:24:26   what they're trying to do it's annoying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1466">TS</a>]

00:24:28   when I go to do something I have to go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1468">TS</a>]

00:24:30   dismiss a screen instead of like doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1470">TS</a>]

00:24:32   the thing actual into that to do but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1472">TS</a>]

00:24:33   that's a one-time annoyance and so if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1473">TS</a>]

00:24:36   overall it helps people you know find [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1476">TS</a>]

00:24:39   stuff I guess I'm okay with that this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1479">TS</a>]

00:24:43   part of I mean the screenshots here from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1483">TS</a>]

00:24:46   a phone right but they might do some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1486">TS</a>]

00:24:49   other things in the iPad I don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1489">TS</a>]

00:24:50   but part of the problem they're solving [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1490">TS</a>]

00:24:55   here is caused by the fact that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1495">TS</a>]

00:24:58   screens are just so darn small compared [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1498">TS</a>]

00:24:59   to a computer screen like in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1499">TS</a>]

00:25:01   personal computer world we've always had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1501">TS</a>]

00:25:03   I mean there's a long history in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1503">TS</a>]

00:25:06   personal computer world the splash [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1506">TS</a>]

00:25:07   screen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1507">TS</a>]

00:25:07   remember those where they were just put [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1507">TS</a>]

00:25:09   up a big box that puts the name of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1509">TS</a>]

00:25:11   application and maybe some credits and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1511">TS</a>]

00:25:13   like some loading stuff for you to watch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1513">TS</a>]

00:25:15   while your application takes a year in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1515">TS</a>]

00:25:16   day to launch right that transition on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1516">TS</a>]

00:25:20   the desktop - well the general move away [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1520">TS</a>]

00:25:22   from loading screens if you see a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1522">TS</a>]

00:25:24   loading screen you know you're either [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1524">TS</a>]

00:25:25   using like Microsoft for an Adobe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1525">TS</a>]

00:25:26   product or you're like back in time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1526">TS</a>]

00:25:28   somewhere most desktop applications on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1528">TS</a>]

00:25:30   the Mac anyway have moved far far away [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1530">TS</a>]

00:25:32   from any kind of splash screen right but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1532">TS</a>]

00:25:34   there is a trend that started you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1534">TS</a>]

00:25:36   maybe a decade ago probably led by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1536">TS</a>]

00:25:38   office or some other things to give you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1538">TS</a>]

00:25:40   that screen I don't know what you call [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1540">TS</a>]

00:25:41   it that's probably a name for it where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1541">TS</a>]

00:25:44   it shows a bunch of template's or like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1544">TS</a>]

00:25:46   the first-run experience like tutorial [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1546">TS</a>]

00:25:48   click through next next next thing to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1548">TS</a>]

00:25:50   show you screen shots of the app it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1550">TS</a>]

00:25:52   called ubi the out of box experience oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1552">TS</a>]

00:25:54   my god it's not coming out of a box yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1554">TS</a>]

00:25:58   but yeah so that kind of thing and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1558">TS</a>]

00:26:00   sometimes it doesn't even go away [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1560">TS</a>]

00:26:01   sometimes like in an office it's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1561">TS</a>]

00:26:02   preference you have to say every time I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1562">TS</a>]

00:26:04   launch you know Excel don't show me the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1564">TS</a>]

00:26:06   thing with a bunch of Excel templates [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1566">TS</a>]

00:26:07   I just don't show me that just open it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1567">TS</a>]

00:26:10   and like you know I can handle it myself [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1570">TS</a>]

00:26:12   but in all cases in a desktop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1572">TS</a>]

00:26:14   application on the Mac especially a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1574">TS</a>]

00:26:17   buddy most desktop platforms there's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1577">TS</a>]

00:26:20   place that you can go to learn more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1580">TS</a>]

00:26:24   about what this application can do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1584">TS</a>]

00:26:26   whether it's to help make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1586">TS</a>]

00:26:27   you or like Apple guide in the old days [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1587">TS</a>]

00:26:29   like there's some standard way to say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1589">TS</a>]

00:26:31   what can I do in this application I know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1591">TS</a>]

00:26:34   I see a bunch of menus up there but you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1594">TS</a>]

00:26:36   know help me out and help very some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1596">TS</a>]

00:26:38   application application sometimes it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1598">TS</a>]

00:26:39   just a limited thing that you can search [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1599">TS</a>]

00:26:42   but some applications have really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1602">TS</a>]

00:26:43   comprehensive help or even if they just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1603">TS</a>]

00:26:44   Chuck you to a website I think the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1604">TS</a>]

00:26:47   main thing that these screens are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1607">TS</a>]

00:26:49   answering for new users who again they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1609">TS</a>]

00:26:51   don't have to be told about changes or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1611">TS</a>]

00:26:53   anything is what can I do in this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1613">TS</a>]

00:26:56   application so if we look at that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1616">TS</a>]

00:26:57   welcome to videos thing that in this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1617">TS</a>]

00:26:59   tweet here it's not really telling you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1619">TS</a>]

00:27:01   what changes last version it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1621">TS</a>]

00:27:03   where's the video app do because if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1623">TS</a>]

00:27:05   just launch it forget the screen what is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1625">TS</a>]

00:27:06   the first screen you see when you launch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1626">TS</a>]

00:27:07   videos especially if you actually have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1627">TS</a>]

00:27:09   no videos that's always the problem on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1629">TS</a>]

00:27:10   iOS like what do you show when there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1630">TS</a>]

00:27:11   no stuff it's not really clear what you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1631">TS</a>]

00:27:15   would use this application for so this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1635">TS</a>]

00:27:16   is where you differ [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1636">TS</a>]

00:27:17   you know browse your library I find [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1637">TS</a>]

00:27:19   purchases and rentals you know watch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1639">TS</a>]

00:27:20   anytime anywhere play videos over Wi-Fi [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1640">TS</a>]

00:27:22   or cell you download to watch offline [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1642">TS</a>]

00:27:23   and enjoy extras right I mean I would if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1643">TS</a>]

00:27:29   I had to describe what you're doing the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1649">TS</a>]

00:27:30   videos app I wouldn't have put that and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1650">TS</a>]

00:27:31   enjoy extra thing but that's an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1651">TS</a>]

00:27:32   important piece of information people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1652">TS</a>]

00:27:34   might not know oh there might be special [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1654">TS</a>]

00:27:37   features associated with something I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1657">TS</a>]

00:27:39   purchased and I can watch them here too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1659">TS</a>]

00:27:41   and then it's so it's important to just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1661">TS</a>]

00:27:44   convey that basic information but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1664">TS</a>]

00:27:46   unfortunately unlike the desktop say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1666">TS</a>]

00:27:48   what you're like most people and like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1668">TS</a>]

00:27:50   yeah yeah like Marco said this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1670">TS</a>]

00:27:51   generally an annoyance and if you look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1671">TS</a>]

00:27:53   in the Apple's old you know human [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1673">TS</a>]

00:27:55   interface guidelines they'd be like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1675">TS</a>]

00:27:56   don't stop your user from doing what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1676">TS</a>]

00:27:59   they set out to do by interrupting them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1679">TS</a>]

00:28:00   with the thing that that you know just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1680">TS</a>]

00:28:03   before you do what you want to do I want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1683">TS</a>]

00:28:04   to tell you something about the videos [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1684">TS</a>]

00:28:05   that was like men oh yeah yeah I'm not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1685">TS</a>]

00:28:07   whatever you're trying to tell me I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1687">TS</a>]

00:28:08   don't care just let me get to the thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1688">TS</a>]

00:28:09   I want to do and you reflexively hit the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1689">TS</a>]

00:28:11   continue button before you even register [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1691">TS</a>]

00:28:13   any words on the page right which I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1693">TS</a>]

00:28:15   expect that to happen a lot but unlike [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1695">TS</a>]

00:28:18   in a desktop app you know how do you get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1698">TS</a>]

00:28:21   this screen back if later you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1701">TS</a>]

00:28:23   wondering okay something I can do in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1703">TS</a>]

00:28:25   videos that were what is this video you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1705">TS</a>]

00:28:26   happy even for you can't go to the help [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1706">TS</a>]

00:28:28   menu and say show me that first run [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1708">TS</a>]

00:28:30   experience thing again like I don't even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1710">TS</a>]

00:28:32   know if there is a way to get this back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1712">TS</a>]

00:28:33   once you've dismissed it other than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1713">TS</a>]

00:28:34   waiting for the next OS update or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1714">TS</a>]

00:28:36   something or resetting your ear thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1716">TS</a>]

00:28:38   and it's because there's just no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1718">TS</a>]

00:28:40   standardized place [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1720">TS</a>]

00:28:41   iOS applications probably because the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1721">TS</a>]

00:28:43   screen is so small to say where do I go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1723">TS</a>]

00:28:45   to get help about this application or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1725">TS</a>]

00:28:47   will there ever even be help within this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1727">TS</a>]

00:28:49   application is it always something I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1729">TS</a>]

00:28:51   have to do elsewhere and then but but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1731">TS</a>]

00:28:53   not a thing that happens in the app and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1733">TS</a>]

00:28:56   the final bit that I think Apple is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1736">TS</a>]

00:28:58   leaning on here is the wish you were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1738">TS</a>]

00:29:01   here people down at the bottom of this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1741">TS</a>]

00:29:02   Apple's new little logo for privacy that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1742">TS</a>]

00:29:05   shows two people shaking hands with each [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1745">TS</a>]

00:29:07   other part of that is marketing and that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1747">TS</a>]

00:29:10   Apple wants to emphasize is one of its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1750">TS</a>]

00:29:12   competitive advantages which is for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1752">TS</a>]

00:29:15   every application that you launched this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1755">TS</a>]

00:29:16   an Apple application we care about your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1756">TS</a>]

00:29:19   privacy we'll tell you exactly how we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1759">TS</a>]

00:29:20   not using your information in a creepy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1760">TS</a>]

00:29:22   way and and implicitly how everyone else [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1762">TS</a>]

00:29:25   is who doesn't have the similar [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1765">TS</a>]

00:29:26   disclosure is using your information in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1766">TS</a>]

00:29:28   a creepy way so you should use Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1768">TS</a>]

00:29:29   stuff that little logo I think Apple is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1769">TS</a>]

00:29:32   trying to associate with the good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1772">TS</a>]

00:29:34   information that you'll find linked from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1774">TS</a>]

00:29:36   it is like when you see that logo that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1776">TS</a>]

00:29:37   Apple reminding you that they're the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1777">TS</a>]

00:29:38   probably is a company that doesn't do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1778">TS</a>]

00:29:40   creepy things and tap here on the small [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1780">TS</a>]

00:29:42   text to find out exactly how non creepy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1782">TS</a>]

00:29:44   we are and the only way you get that in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1784">TS</a>]

00:29:46   people's faces is if you put that in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1786">TS</a>]

00:29:48   people's faces otherwise you know in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1788">TS</a>]

00:29:50   past Apple has not been doing creepy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1790">TS</a>]

00:29:53   things with your data but there is no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1793">TS</a>]

00:29:55   way as a user of these applications that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1795">TS</a>]

00:29:57   you know that because you launched them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1797">TS</a>]

00:29:59   they just show whatever their initial [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1799">TS</a>]

00:30:00   screen is and there's no indication in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1800">TS</a>]

00:30:01   the application of exactly how creepy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1801">TS</a>]

00:30:03   and applicate it is or isn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1803">TS</a>]

00:30:04   and so how Paul is relying on the fact [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1804">TS</a>]

00:30:06   that you trust them enough to believe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1806">TS</a>]

00:30:08   them when they tell you that by the way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1808">TS</a>]

00:30:09   we're not doing creepy stuff and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1809">TS</a>]

00:30:11   want to remind you of that so I have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1811">TS</a>]

00:30:14   similar mixed feelings to Marco about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1814">TS</a>]

00:30:15   the screen and that I understand the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1815">TS</a>]

00:30:16   reasoning behind it but I but I think it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1816">TS</a>]

00:30:20   is it is difficult to for it to fulfill [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1820">TS</a>]

00:30:23   its purpose because it's probably so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1823">TS</a>]

00:30:25   easy to dismiss quickly because there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1825">TS</a>]

00:30:27   no way to get it back after you've done [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1827">TS</a>]

00:30:28   that and because it interrupts the user [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1828">TS</a>]

00:30:32   from doing what they wanted to doing yet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1832">TS</a>]

00:30:34   I think most new users especially would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1834">TS</a>]

00:30:37   benefit from not reflexively dismissing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1837">TS</a>]

00:30:40   the screen from actually reading the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1840">TS</a>]

00:30:41   three little bullet points so they know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1841">TS</a>]

00:30:43   why you would ever want to launch the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1843">TS</a>]

00:30:45   videos app or whatever now it can be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1845">TS</a>]

00:30:48   taken to extremes here we have this a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1848">TS</a>]

00:30:50   follow-up create from a micro sergeant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1850">TS</a>]

00:30:52   that shows that what's new in clock [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1852">TS</a>]

00:30:55   yeah we're the only item is this splash [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1855">TS</a>]

00:30:57   screen literally just the splash screen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1857">TS</a>]

00:30:58   what do you want from us but it still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1858">TS</a>]

00:30:59   got the privacy bring up the bottom it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1859">TS</a>]

00:31:01   was that real I assumed that was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1861">TS</a>]

00:31:03   Photoshop yeah it's fake but it's funny [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1863">TS</a>]

00:31:05   but like where does it where does this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1865">TS</a>]

00:31:08   end so similar to the trend of desktop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1868">TS</a>]

00:31:10   applications all opening up with like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1870">TS</a>]

00:31:12   template library create a new document [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1872">TS</a>]

00:31:14   pick from one of these 17 templates like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1874">TS</a>]

00:31:16   just no just get out of my face right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1876">TS</a>]

00:31:17   this type of thing can be annoying and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1877">TS</a>]

00:31:20   if Apple does it it may encourage other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1880">TS</a>]

00:31:23   people to do it and if every new iOS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1883">TS</a>]

00:31:25   application you launched put one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1885">TS</a>]

00:31:28   these screens up it really amplifies the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1888">TS</a>]

00:31:31   the you are stopping me from doing what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1891">TS</a>]

00:31:33   I'm trying to do factor and it makes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1893">TS</a>]

00:31:36   people even more quick on the draw to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1896">TS</a>]

00:31:40   reflexively dismiss these things and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1900">TS</a>]

00:31:42   further emphasizes the fact that if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1902">TS</a>]

00:31:43   do reflexively dismiss it there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1903">TS</a>]

00:31:45   probably no standard way to get it back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1905">TS</a>]

00:31:47   so I think this is a difficult problem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1907">TS</a>]

00:31:50   that Apple is solving in a not-so-great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1910">TS</a>]

00:31:51   way but I do understand why they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1911">TS</a>]

00:31:53   doing it yeah I mean like it's really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1913">TS</a>]

00:31:56   hard you know as it's like it's really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1916">TS</a>]

00:31:57   hard to figure out how to communicate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1917">TS</a>]

00:32:00   change like this in your app but I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1920">TS</a>]

00:32:03   like yeah I think you know what I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1923">TS</a>]

00:32:04   mentioned initially and what you guys [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1924">TS</a>]

00:32:05   kind of confirmed and clarified for me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1925">TS</a>]

00:32:06   is like I think the biggest reason why I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1926">TS</a>]

00:32:08   don't like these things is that it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1928">TS</a>]

00:32:10   almost never a good time when I see them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1930">TS</a>]

00:32:13   it's like no I didn't come here to read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1933">TS</a>]

00:32:15   what's new I came here to write [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1935">TS</a>]

00:32:17   something down really fast or do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1937">TS</a>]

00:32:19   something like you know it's it - I came [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1939">TS</a>]

00:32:21   here doing a task that I don't have time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1941">TS</a>]

00:32:24   right now to explore all the new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1944">TS</a>]

00:32:27   features that you did for me and get to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1947">TS</a>]

00:32:29   get through your marking language like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1949">TS</a>]

00:32:30   the problem is like you know you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1950">TS</a>]

00:32:33   what percentage of the time and when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1953">TS</a>]

00:32:34   people are first seen this is going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1954">TS</a>]

00:32:35   be that kind of context or the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1955">TS</a>]

00:32:37   christendom breeze right by it even if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1957">TS</a>]

00:32:39   people have time we are so conditioned [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1959">TS</a>]

00:32:42   to dismiss those screens that were not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1962">TS</a>]

00:32:43   going to remember you know things that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1963">TS</a>]

00:32:44   are on it you know it's one of the one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1964">TS</a>]

00:32:48   of the most sad realities of interface [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1968">TS</a>]

00:32:49   design but this has been true forever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1969">TS</a>]

00:32:51   and will always be true is that nobody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1971">TS</a>]

00:32:53   reads anything like anything you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1973">TS</a>]

00:32:55   explaining by just like a couple of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1975">TS</a>]

00:32:56   bullet points a text nobody will read it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1976">TS</a>]

00:32:59   the very small handful to do won't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1979">TS</a>]

00:33:01   remember it and so explaining things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1981">TS</a>]

00:33:05   with text is just not very effective [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1985">TS</a>]

00:33:08   it's not you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1988">TS</a>]

00:33:08   should never rely on that ultimately the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1988">TS</a>]

00:33:11   best way to solve the problem of how do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1991">TS</a>]

00:33:15   you communicate changes in your app is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1995">TS</a>]

00:33:17   with the design of the app itself this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1997">TS</a>]

00:33:20   isn't always possible this isn't always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2000">TS</a>]

00:33:21   practical but ideally the changes should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2001">TS</a>]

00:33:25   either be like not worth mentioning [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2005">TS</a>]

00:33:27   because the user doesn't care if it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2007">TS</a>]

00:33:28   like oh we under the hood change it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2008">TS</a>]

00:33:30   like well the user doesn't care [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2010">TS</a>]

00:33:31   great dude do the other changes makes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2011">TS</a>]

00:33:33   you happy it makes your users happy that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2013">TS</a>]

00:33:34   like things are faster or don't crash [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2014">TS</a>]

00:33:36   whatever else great don't need to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2016">TS</a>]

00:33:38   mention that or it's like new features [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2018">TS</a>]

00:33:40   in which case like those will make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2020">TS</a>]

00:33:41   themselves apparent in the interface as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2021">TS</a>]

00:33:42   the user is using them it's hard these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2022">TS</a>]

00:33:45   days not only is it hard on touchscreens [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2025">TS</a>]

00:33:47   because as you mentioned like they're so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2027">TS</a>]

00:33:48   small that makes it hard for a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2028">TS</a>]

00:33:51   features to be visible because you don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2031">TS</a>]

00:33:54   have space on the screen to have like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2034">TS</a>]

00:33:56   toolbar button for everything the app [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2036">TS</a>]

00:33:57   can do but also modern design trends are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2037">TS</a>]

00:34:03   such that you try to hide as much as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2043">TS</a>]

00:34:06   possible in the main interface you try [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2046">TS</a>]

00:34:09   to make the main interface like as empty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2049">TS</a>]

00:34:11   as possible everything looks super [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2051">TS</a>]

00:34:14   sparse and open the way Apple would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2054">TS</a>]

00:34:16   phrase that is maximize your content [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2056">TS</a>]

00:34:19   they wouldn't say you're hiding things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2059">TS</a>]

00:34:21   they would say you're allowing the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2061">TS</a>]

00:34:22   content they've said with so many it so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2062">TS</a>]

00:34:24   many sessions the content maximizing the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2064">TS</a>]

00:34:27   content not minimizing UI but in effect [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2067">TS</a>]

00:34:29   you are hiding everything else if you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2069">TS</a>]

00:34:31   putting the content in front and that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2071">TS</a>]

00:34:34   think gets to what you were saying with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2074">TS</a>]

00:34:35   you you know this is not a good time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2075">TS</a>]

00:34:37   application to be telling me about your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2077">TS</a>]

00:34:38   features right that's the beauty of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2078">TS</a>]

00:34:41   help menu when the user seeks out an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2081">TS</a>]

00:34:44   item in the help menu that is their task [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2084">TS</a>]

00:34:46   at that point they're trying to learn [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2086">TS</a>]

00:34:48   more about the application that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2088">TS</a>]

00:34:49   exactly the time you should tell them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2089">TS</a>]

00:34:50   more but there is no standardized [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2090">TS</a>]

00:34:53   interface element in iOS for almost [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2093">TS</a>]

00:34:55   anything like that it's part of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2095">TS</a>]

00:34:57   beauty of iOS that each application gets [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2097">TS</a>]

00:34:58   the entire screen back from the single [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2098">TS</a>]

00:35:00   testing model and maximizing the content [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2100">TS</a>]

00:35:02   all those are good trends but the lack [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2102">TS</a>]

00:35:04   of really any standardized interface [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2104">TS</a>]

00:35:06   element aside from the status bar which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2106">TS</a>]

00:35:08   at least we know you can use to scroll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2108">TS</a>]

00:35:09   to the top most of the time really does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2109">TS</a>]

00:35:12   hurt discoverability if there was some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2112">TS</a>]

00:35:15   kind of standard help widget that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2115">TS</a>]

00:35:17   the same across all apps that would be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2117">TS</a>]

00:35:20   the perfect place to stash this because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2120">TS</a>]

00:35:22   when people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2122">TS</a>]

00:35:22   Apted they would be seeking out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2122">TS</a>]

00:35:23   information about your application at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2123">TS</a>]

00:35:25   that moment but it in the absence of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2125">TS</a>]

00:35:27   that even if even if you have a great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2127">TS</a>]

00:35:29   help widget in your app no one knows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2129">TS</a>]

00:35:30   what it means or where it is or what it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2130">TS</a>]

00:35:32   does because it's not standardized right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2132">TS</a>]

00:35:33   and so we're forced to throw this in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2133">TS</a>]

00:35:37   people's faces otherwise they will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2137">TS</a>]

00:35:38   literally never see it oh yeah and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2138">TS</a>]

00:35:40   you know and part of that like you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2140">TS</a>]

00:35:42   a lot of a lot of I don't know people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2142">TS</a>]

00:35:45   who haven't been around this stuff that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2145">TS</a>]

00:35:47   long you know the kids these days or a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2147">TS</a>]

00:35:50   lot of a lot of assumptions are made [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2150">TS</a>]

00:35:52   about current design trends that people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2152">TS</a>]

00:35:55   project as universal design rules that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2155">TS</a>]

00:35:58   have always and will always be the best [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2158">TS</a>]

00:36:00   and and the fact is right now we are in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2160">TS</a>]

00:36:04   you know I'd say probably the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2164">TS</a>]

00:36:07   three-quarters point of a trend of ultra [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2167">TS</a>]

00:36:09   minimalism everywhere and the fact is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2169">TS</a>]

00:36:12   that's just a style that's it that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2172">TS</a>]

00:36:14   been in fact it's been in style for a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2174">TS</a>]

00:36:15   little while we have a little more of it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2175">TS</a>]

00:36:17   to go probably that isn't necessarily [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2177">TS</a>]

00:36:20   the only or best way to design apps a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2180">TS</a>]

00:36:23   lot of the minimalism of iOS apps and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2183">TS</a>]

00:36:27   interfaces and getting out of the way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2187">TS</a>]

00:36:28   for the content was born of limitations [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2188">TS</a>]

00:36:31   of the original iPhone hardware being a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2191">TS</a>]

00:36:33   really small screen but as phones have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2193">TS</a>]

00:36:36   gotten significantly bigger as also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2196">TS</a>]

00:36:39   we've added things like iPads and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2199">TS</a>]

00:36:41   possibly you know Mac through Bridge [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2201">TS</a>]

00:36:44   layers this fall we hope you know as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2204">TS</a>]

00:36:46   we've added larger screens and more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2206">TS</a>]

00:36:48   capability and everything the ultra [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2208">TS</a>]

00:36:51   minimalist thing doesn't necessarily [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2211">TS</a>]

00:36:52   work or doesn't carry over as well also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2212">TS</a>]

00:36:55   the software like iOS started from zero [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2215">TS</a>]

00:36:58   with software I started with like every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2218">TS</a>]

00:37:00   software gonna be one point out here and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2220">TS</a>]

00:37:02   so no there weren't a lot of features in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2222">TS</a>]

00:37:05   most apps for a long time and there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2225">TS</a>]

00:37:07   still aren't on iOS apps but many apps [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2227">TS</a>]

00:37:09   now are pushing those boundaries and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2229">TS</a>]

00:37:11   have developed over the last decade into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2231">TS</a>]

00:37:13   very feature-rich [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2233">TS</a>]

00:37:15   very capable apps and the conventions of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2235">TS</a>]

00:37:20   ultra minimalist you know hide [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2240">TS</a>]

00:37:23   everything design while they still look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2243">TS</a>]

00:37:26   very nice they suffer greatly from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2246">TS</a>]

00:37:29   discoverability and an affordances of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2249">TS</a>]

00:37:32   like you know showing people what is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2252">TS</a>]

00:37:33   possible or how to how to use things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2253">TS</a>]

00:37:36   and this is again this is just a design [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2256">TS</a>]

00:37:39   trend of hide everything that won't last [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2259">TS</a>]

00:37:43   forever you know and and I honestly I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2263">TS</a>]

00:37:46   think it's almost over because I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2266">TS</a>]

00:37:48   it's it's many usability flaws are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2268">TS</a>]

00:37:51   really piling up and it's resulting in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2271">TS</a>]

00:37:54   people having to do bad hacks like those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2274">TS</a>]

00:37:57   splash screens you know like that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2277">TS</a>]

00:37:59   those are terrible hacks you know like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2279">TS</a>]

00:38:02   frequently tell the story about like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2282">TS</a>]

00:38:03   when I first made the magazine app I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2283">TS</a>]

00:38:05   thought it would be a good design [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2285">TS</a>]

00:38:06   principle to not need a settings screen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2286">TS</a>]

00:38:08   and so I didn't have 11.0 and I tried I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2288">TS</a>]

00:38:11   tried to get it I was just okay there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2291">TS</a>]

00:38:12   no settings anywhere or there's no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2292">TS</a>]

00:38:14   settings screen right there anywhere [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2294">TS</a>]

00:38:16   let me just design the app to not need a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2296">TS</a>]

00:38:18   settings screen wouldn't that be great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2298">TS</a>]

00:38:19   wouldn't that be clean and modern and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2299">TS</a>]

00:38:21   everything and the fact is to not have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2301">TS</a>]

00:38:24   settings screen I had to jump through [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2304">TS</a>]

00:38:26   hoops and the hoops I jumped through [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2306">TS</a>]

00:38:29   were worse than just having a setting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2309">TS</a>]

00:38:32   screen and this is a very important like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2312">TS</a>]

00:38:35   you know lesson that I learned at that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2315">TS</a>]

00:38:37   time and a metaphor that had that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2317">TS</a>]

00:38:40   think is widely applicable by the way I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2320">TS</a>]

00:38:42   still haven't listened every time I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2322">TS</a>]

00:38:43   I have a stoop I have a significant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2323">TS</a>]

00:38:46   design problem in overcast right now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2326">TS</a>]

00:38:48   that I need to revert on the Now Playing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2328">TS</a>]

00:38:49   screen just guess how many emails I get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2329">TS</a>]

00:38:52   per day from people asking how to change [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2332">TS</a>]

00:38:54   the speed it's I have a significant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2334">TS</a>]

00:38:58   problem that I need to redesign there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2338">TS</a>]

00:39:00   but in our efforts to make things clean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2340">TS</a>]

00:39:03   and simple and minimal usability suffers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2343">TS</a>]

00:39:08   big time and I think we're finally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2348">TS</a>]

00:39:11   starting to realize that but it's still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2351">TS</a>]

00:39:13   an open question of how we are going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2353">TS</a>]

00:39:16   solve that going forward I think it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2356">TS</a>]

00:39:19   not just a design problem as obvious [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2359">TS</a>]

00:39:21   there's the obvious design thing and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2361">TS</a>]

00:39:22   Apple isn't emphasizing that you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2362">TS</a>]

00:39:24   make make your content give it give it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2364">TS</a>]

00:39:27   focus make it the primary thing you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2367">TS</a>]

00:39:28   it's the thing that people care about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2368">TS</a>]

00:39:29   most people use all the features yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2369">TS</a>]

00:39:30   I'm mostly good but especially on larger [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2370">TS</a>]

00:39:34   iOS devices which may include phones you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2374">TS</a>]

00:39:36   know they're getting bigger at least [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2376">TS</a>]

00:39:37   they'll sell the SE but especially on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2377">TS</a>]

00:39:39   iPads potentially even larger things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2379">TS</a>]

00:39:42   part of it is up to the OS to provide [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2382">TS</a>]

00:39:46   standardized elements for things and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2386">TS</a>]

00:39:49   a set of standardized elements you need [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2389">TS</a>]

00:39:51   for a 3.5 inch phone screen is not the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2391">TS</a>]

00:39:54   same for the set of standardized [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2394">TS</a>]

00:39:55   elements that you need to make a really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2395">TS</a>]

00:39:56   great application on a 12 point 9 inch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2396">TS</a>]

00:39:58   iPad and getting back to the help menu [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2398">TS</a>]

00:40:01   not that I'm saying that they should add [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2401">TS</a>]

00:40:02   a menu bar but if you leave it up to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2402">TS</a>]

00:40:06   even if this trend the design trend ends [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2406">TS</a>]

00:40:09   and everybody stops doing everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2409">TS</a>]

00:40:10   minimal and they start adding just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2410">TS</a>]

00:40:12   toolbars and palettes everywhere if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2412">TS</a>]

00:40:14   there is no standardization for that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2414">TS</a>]

00:40:18   toolbars and palettes in every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2418">TS</a>]

00:40:19   application will be wildly different and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2419">TS</a>]

00:40:21   users still won't know where to go for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2421">TS</a>]

00:40:23   common functions like finding the help [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2423">TS</a>]

00:40:25   or any kind of guide or and you know any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2425">TS</a>]

00:40:27   trend towards that or whatever may be I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2427">TS</a>]

00:40:29   think one of the poster children for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2429">TS</a>]

00:40:31   this was I forget what version it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2431">TS</a>]

00:40:33   but a couple of releases ago apples [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2433">TS</a>]

00:40:35   photos application that would launch and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2435">TS</a>]

00:40:38   it would show like a highlight or mark [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2438">TS</a>]

00:40:41   up with things circled in yellow pen all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2441">TS</a>]

00:40:43   over the screen with one of those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2443">TS</a>]

00:40:44   overlays the worst I was at photos I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2444">TS</a>]

00:40:47   know iMovie did that but it might have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2447">TS</a>]

00:40:49   been lots of applications do this but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2449">TS</a>]

00:40:52   because yeah they're they're not they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2452">TS</a>]

00:40:55   not going super minimal because a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2455">TS</a>]

00:40:57   those applications particularly Apple in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2457">TS</a>]

00:40:59   that I'm thinking of that I can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2459">TS</a>]

00:41:00   remember the chatroom will tell me in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2460">TS</a>]

00:41:01   second they have tons of controls on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2461">TS</a>]

00:41:03   screen there are a lot of buttons maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2463">TS</a>]

00:41:05   the minimalism is like a why aren't the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2465">TS</a>]

00:41:07   buttons labeled they're all icons which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2467">TS</a>]

00:41:08   is why they're so damn inscrutable but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2468">TS</a>]

00:41:10   they were everywhere there was like 50 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2470">TS</a>]

00:41:12   of them on the screen and then they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2472">TS</a>]

00:41:13   would circle them all with pen and say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2473">TS</a>]

00:41:15   use this for this use this for this use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2475">TS</a>]

00:41:17   this for this use this for this use it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2477">TS</a>]

00:41:18   like no one's ever gonna remember that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2478">TS</a>]

00:41:20   no one's ever gonna read that no one's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2480">TS</a>]

00:41:22   ever gonna be able to figure out how to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2482">TS</a>]

00:41:23   bring it back and the reason you need it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2483">TS</a>]

00:41:25   is because without that overlay nobody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2485">TS</a>]

00:41:27   knows what any of those icons do because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2487">TS</a>]

00:41:28   there is no standardization for you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2488">TS</a>]

00:41:30   toolbars for common functionality and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2490">TS</a>]

00:41:32   it's somewhat like the Mac had the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2492">TS</a>]

00:41:34   luxury of not having the sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2494">TS</a>]

00:41:37   Cambrian explosion of applications that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2497">TS</a>]

00:41:39   iOS did because a lot of the conventions [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2499">TS</a>]

00:41:42   let's say in graphics applications on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2502">TS</a>]

00:41:43   the Mac it was like seeded by a Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2503">TS</a>]

00:41:46   Paint and evolved slowly through like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2506">TS</a>]

00:41:49   super paint and the Adobe applications [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2509">TS</a>]

00:41:51   to establish over the course of several [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2511">TS</a>]

00:41:54   important formative years the standard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2514">TS</a>]

00:41:57   language for tools and design [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2517">TS</a>]

00:41:59   applications if you see a little Mickey [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2519">TS</a>]

00:42:01   Mouse glove [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2521">TS</a>]

00:42:02   everyone knows that's like the grabber [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2522">TS</a>]

00:42:03   thing if you see a paint bucket with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2523">TS</a>]

00:42:06   paint pouring out of it everyone knows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2526">TS</a>]

00:42:07   what that does like I'm so glad that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2527">TS</a>]

00:42:10   know that those those widgets have you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2530">TS</a>]

00:42:12   know whoever owned the copyright on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2532">TS</a>]

00:42:14   first ones those didn't aggressively [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2534">TS</a>]

00:42:15   pursue it and say you can't use a paint [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2535">TS</a>]

00:42:16   bucket in your application because it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2536">TS</a>]

00:42:18   wasn't Adobe who did it first it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2538">TS</a>]

00:42:19   Apple and you know so anyway there is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2539">TS</a>]

00:42:22   design language within graphics [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2542">TS</a>]

00:42:24   applications that even if you use a new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2544">TS</a>]

00:42:26   graphics app you know where to find [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2546">TS</a>]

00:42:28   things but that's application level [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2548">TS</a>]

00:42:30   beyond that the help menu is a thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2550">TS</a>]

00:42:31   that Apple defines as the offender to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2551">TS</a>]

00:42:34   say there is a menu bar the main user in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2554">TS</a>]

00:42:36   this order the help system in this era [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2556">TS</a>]

00:42:39   of the Mac is this shape and in this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2559">TS</a>]

00:42:41   position and here's what you can expect [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2561">TS</a>]

00:42:43   to find on it or the menu bar itself the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2563">TS</a>]

00:42:45   fact that a menu bar exists applications [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2565">TS</a>]

00:42:47   didn't decide that the OS decided that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2567">TS</a>]

00:42:49   again not saying that iOS needs a menu [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2569">TS</a>]

00:42:51   bar but that the combination of the OS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2571">TS</a>]

00:42:55   and the applications develop a an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2575">TS</a>]

00:43:00   interface language that means when you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2580">TS</a>]

00:43:02   go from one really complicated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2582">TS</a>]

00:43:04   application to another really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2584">TS</a>]

00:43:06   complicated application you have a hope [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2586">TS</a>]

00:43:08   in hell of knowing how the second [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2588">TS</a>]

00:43:11   application works because hopefully it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2591">TS</a>]

00:43:13   works in some way similar to the first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2593">TS</a>]

00:43:14   one and the the model of iOS where the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2594">TS</a>]

00:43:17   application owns the entire screen makes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2597">TS</a>]

00:43:19   it very difficult to have any kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2599">TS</a>]

00:43:21   consistency yeah maybe the buttons look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2601">TS</a>]

00:43:23   the same and yeah maybe the little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2603">TS</a>]

00:43:24   pop-up dialog things look the same and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2604">TS</a>]

00:43:26   stuff but the application itself is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2606">TS</a>]

00:43:27   almost like games where they can design [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2607">TS</a>]

00:43:29   their own interface entirely and that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2609">TS</a>]

00:43:30   leads us down the path of Apple being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2610">TS</a>]

00:43:32   forced to put a hilarious [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2612">TS</a>]

00:43:34   you know football style telestrator [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2614">TS</a>]

00:43:37   markup illustration covering its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2617">TS</a>]

00:43:39   interface that no one's ever gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2619">TS</a>]

00:43:41   remember and then having a thing go away [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2621">TS</a>]

00:43:43   and having you look at a bunch of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2623">TS</a>]

00:43:44   hieroglyphics and go so I guess I'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2624">TS</a>]

00:43:46   just tap things randomly and see is this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2626">TS</a>]

00:43:48   crop tool is this the crop tool is just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2628">TS</a>]

00:43:50   I mean any crop tool they could just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2630">TS</a>]

00:43:53   steal the icon from from the desktop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2633">TS</a>]

00:43:55   applications but even that varies a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2635">TS</a>]

00:43:56   so I think iOS has a long way to go even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2636">TS</a>]

00:44:00   once we get over the design trend [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2640">TS</a>]

00:44:02   minimalism to have to realize the dream [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2642">TS</a>]

00:44:06   of the Mac that the the interface [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2646">TS</a>]

00:44:08   consistency allows you to understand how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2648">TS</a>]

00:44:10   a new application would work by reusing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2650">TS</a>]

00:44:12   knowledge about a previous application [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2652">TS</a>]

00:44:14   I mean I I'm not even sure that we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2654">TS</a>]

00:44:17   gonna have that again because the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2657">TS</a>]

00:44:20   companies and platforms these days are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2660">TS</a>]

00:44:22   just so much bigger than they used to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2662">TS</a>]

00:44:24   like you know we Apple is a huge company [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2664">TS</a>]

00:44:27   now way bigger than even you know five [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2667">TS</a>]

00:44:30   ten years ago when when they were doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2670">TS</a>]

00:44:33   a lot of these like initial iPhone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2673">TS</a>]

00:44:34   designs and everything they're way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2674">TS</a>]

00:44:36   bigger now there are way more apps [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2676">TS</a>]

00:44:37   there's way more departments and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2677">TS</a>]

00:44:39   divisions and services and apps and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2679">TS</a>]

00:44:42   platforms and everything else like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2682">TS</a>]

00:44:44   know the Apple watch looks nothing like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2684">TS</a>]

00:44:46   the rest of us Apple TV is a total is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2686">TS</a>]

00:44:49   whole different ballgame as well even on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2689">TS</a>]

00:44:51   iOS there there's tons of different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2691">TS</a>]

00:44:54   design languages like you have Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2694">TS</a>]

00:44:56   music you have maps you have some of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2696">TS</a>]

00:44:59   older stuff that wasn't really that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2699">TS</a>]

00:45:00   still kind of very iOS 70 like there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2700">TS</a>]

00:45:03   there's all these different designs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2703">TS</a>]

00:45:05   being followed now I'm not sure that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2705">TS</a>]

00:45:09   modern Apple that that it's realistic to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2709">TS</a>]

00:45:11   expect design coherency from them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2711">TS</a>]

00:45:15   they're just too big there's too many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2715">TS</a>]

00:45:16   things and and I think if there was any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2716">TS</a>]

00:45:19   chance of design coherency it would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2719">TS</a>]

00:45:22   happen now when design at Apple runs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2722">TS</a>]

00:45:26   Apple like there is no more powerful [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2726">TS</a>]

00:45:29   department in Apple right now than in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2729">TS</a>]

00:45:31   the design department they and they're a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2731">TS</a>]

00:45:33   company that heavily prioritizes design [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2733">TS</a>]

00:45:36   it like heavily you know funds it with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2736">TS</a>]

00:45:38   allocations of time and resources and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2738">TS</a>]

00:45:40   everything else like if anybody could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2740">TS</a>]

00:45:42   have a coherent design right now it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2742">TS</a>]

00:45:44   Apple and they don't I think the problem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2744">TS</a>]

00:45:46   set is just too big now I don't think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2746">TS</a>]

00:45:48   we're ever gonna see that kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2748">TS</a>]

00:45:50   coherence like what we used to have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2750">TS</a>]

00:45:51   again instead it's gonna be mostly left [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2751">TS</a>]

00:45:55   up to I think third parties to slowly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2755">TS</a>]

00:45:59   evolve standards over over time that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2759">TS</a>]

00:46:03   just kind of become you know the de [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2763">TS</a>]

00:46:05   facto standards and that's that's a much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2765">TS</a>]

00:46:08   Messier and slower process but I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2768">TS</a>]

00:46:10   that's that's kind of what's gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2770">TS</a>]

00:46:12   happen in reality I feel like the design [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2772">TS</a>]

00:46:14   department lately has not added any of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2774">TS</a>]

00:46:16   new sort of standardized controls or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2776">TS</a>]

00:46:19   standard you know standard interface [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2779">TS</a>]

00:46:20   elements they've mostly just been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2780">TS</a>]

00:46:21   dressing up the ones that are there it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2781">TS</a>]

00:46:24   not as if iOS doesn't have these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2784">TS</a>]

00:46:25   elements it doesn't again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2785">TS</a>]

00:46:28   the same ones doesn't have a menu bar [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2788">TS</a>]

00:46:29   but just to give an example I don't mark [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2789">TS</a>]

00:46:31   out what tell him at the class name as a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2791">TS</a>]

00:46:32   UI navigation controller the thing the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2792">TS</a>]

00:46:34   the right-left thing with the back and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2794">TS</a>]

00:46:36   done button I'm like that's been around [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2796">TS</a>]

00:46:38   since iOS since since iPhone OS 1.0 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2798">TS</a>]

00:46:41   iPhone OS firmware 1.0 like the fact [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2801">TS</a>]

00:46:44   that you have at the top of the screen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2804">TS</a>]

00:46:45   you had you know left-to-right sliding [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2805">TS</a>]

00:46:48   transition interface they used to have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2808">TS</a>]

00:46:50   the little arrow shape on it or whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2810">TS</a>]

00:46:51   that was a standard interface element [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2811">TS</a>]

00:46:54   that you know it was the same way any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2814">TS</a>]

00:46:56   standard interface element works hey you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2816">TS</a>]

00:46:58   don't have to write this GUI widget [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2818">TS</a>]

00:47:00   we've actually written it for you and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2820">TS</a>]

00:47:02   provides some important functionality so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2822">TS</a>]

00:47:04   now you don't have to worry about that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2824">TS</a>]

00:47:05   part of application if you decide you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2825">TS</a>]

00:47:06   want your application to be like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2826">TS</a>]

00:47:07   master/detail view and you and you go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2827">TS</a>]

00:47:09   into the right and out to the left and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2829">TS</a>]

00:47:11   you want to have cancel and done buttons [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2831">TS</a>]

00:47:12   or slightly like we've provided that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2832">TS</a>]

00:47:14   control for you so don't bother writing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2834">TS</a>]

00:47:15   it and by providing it for you we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2835">TS</a>]

00:47:17   standardized the interface so think of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2837">TS</a>]

00:47:19   all the applications from the day one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2839">TS</a>]

00:47:20   the iPhone that worked that way where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2840">TS</a>]

00:47:22   the top part of the screen was for you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2842">TS</a>]

00:47:24   to go back and forth and there was done [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2844">TS</a>]

00:47:25   and cancel buttons and arrows and stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2845">TS</a>]

00:47:26   like that that's a standard element that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2846">TS</a>]

00:47:29   interface element is still with us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2849">TS</a>]

00:47:31   despite the fact on top of our phone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2851">TS</a>]

00:47:32   it's like a mile and a half away now and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2852">TS</a>]

00:47:34   and in the iOS 7 days they've jammed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2854">TS</a>]

00:47:36   other crap up there like the little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2856">TS</a>]

00:47:38   arrow thing which is always look super [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2858">TS</a>]

00:47:39   weird from a aesthetic point of view [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2859">TS</a>]

00:47:41   that little tiny you know go back to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2861">TS</a>]

00:47:43   Safari we're just super convenient [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2863">TS</a>]

00:47:44   functionality wise but it shows that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2864">TS</a>]

00:47:46   didn't really anything but still that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2866">TS</a>]

00:47:48   one interface element does provide an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2868">TS</a>]

00:47:51   important degree of consistency across [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2871">TS</a>]

00:47:52   all applications not just apples because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2872">TS</a>]

00:47:55   it generally does look the same and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2875">TS</a>]

00:47:56   generally does kind of work the same and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2876">TS</a>]

00:47:57   people know to look and look up there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2877">TS</a>]

00:48:00   for stuff but again if there had really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2880">TS</a>]

00:48:03   been design innovation design being how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2883">TS</a>]

00:48:05   it works and not just how it looks at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2885">TS</a>]

00:48:07   some point you have to rethink the fact [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2887">TS</a>]

00:48:08   the top of the phone is really far away [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2888">TS</a>]

00:48:09   and at some point you have to think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2889">TS</a>]

00:48:12   about are there other standard interface [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2892">TS</a>]

00:48:15   elements that are appropriate and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2895">TS</a>]

00:48:16   age of twelve point nine inch iPads that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2896">TS</a>]

00:48:18   we should introduce standard removable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2898">TS</a>]

00:48:21   palettes or tab interfaces like in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2901">TS</a>]

00:48:23   Safari on the iPad or anything like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2903">TS</a>]

00:48:24   just any kind of standard interface [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2904">TS</a>]

00:48:27   element that other applications can use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2907">TS</a>]

00:48:28   that is appropriate for the modern iOS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2908">TS</a>]

00:48:31   usage the more of those they can produce [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2911">TS</a>]

00:48:33   including perhaps standard icons or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2913">TS</a>]

00:48:35   widgets for things like help or you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2915">TS</a>]

00:48:37   a quick way to get to settings for an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2917">TS</a>]

00:48:39   application from within an application [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2919">TS</a>]

00:48:41   if they don't want to give up on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2921">TS</a>]

00:48:42   whole idea of settings being a separate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2922">TS</a>]

00:48:43   app which I think it's also a dinosaur [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2923">TS</a>]

00:48:45   of a bygone era of much less RAM usage [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2925">TS</a>]

00:48:48   and also the whole you know we don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2928">TS</a>]

00:48:50   want anything in our application so hide [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2930">TS</a>]

00:48:51   all the complexity into another [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2931">TS</a>]

00:48:53   application that never worked by the way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2933">TS</a>]

00:48:55   yeah a lot of stuff needs to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2935">TS</a>]

00:48:57   rethought about the design of iOS and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2937">TS</a>]

00:48:59   almost none of it has to do with what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2939">TS</a>]

00:49:00   applications look like I feel like we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2940">TS</a>]

00:49:02   need we need more we need more help from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2942">TS</a>]

00:49:06   the the OS and the foundational classes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2946">TS</a>]

00:49:09   to get to the next level of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2949">TS</a>]

00:49:12   functionality on iOS applications I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2952">TS</a>]

00:49:14   think that's mostly true I think to go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2954">TS</a>]

00:49:16   back a step though part of the reason [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2956">TS</a>]

00:49:18   that I think we haven't standardized on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2958">TS</a>]

00:49:20   anyone like design or anyone like a set [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2960">TS</a>]

00:49:24   of iconography is because it didn't take [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2964">TS</a>]

00:49:27   long in my recollection starting you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2967">TS</a>]

00:49:29   know with iPhone OS 2 it wasn't too long [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2969">TS</a>]

00:49:32   after that that it became kind of blase [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2972">TS</a>]

00:49:37   2 or maybe that's not the word I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2977">TS</a>]

00:49:39   looking for but kind of gross to use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2979">TS</a>]

00:49:40   vanilla UI kit for most of your app and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2980">TS</a>]

00:49:44   I think that there's plenty of vanilla [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2984">TS</a>]

00:49:47   UI kit controls in any app but I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2987">TS</a>]

00:49:49   looking at overcast is a great example [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2989">TS</a>]

00:49:51   there's plenty of Anila UI kit there but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2991">TS</a>]

00:49:53   so much of it is hidden in so many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2993">TS</a>]

00:49:56   different custom controls I mean look at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2996">TS</a>]

00:49:58   the card interface Marco that you were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2998">TS</a>]

00:49:59   rolling for a long time like that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2999">TS</a>]

00:50:02   completely and utterly custom and from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3002">TS</a>]

00:50:04   what you said on the show and from what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3004">TS</a>]

00:50:05   I've heard elsewhere you know you bent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3005">TS</a>]

00:50:06   over backwards to do it and we can have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3006">TS</a>]

00:50:08   a different discussion another time as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3008">TS</a>]

00:50:10   to whether or not that was wise but the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3010">TS</a>]

00:50:11   fact of the matter that I'm driving [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3011">TS</a>]

00:50:12   toward is that for better or worse one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3012">TS</a>]

00:50:15   way or another in order to stand out on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3015">TS</a>]

00:50:17   this ever more crowded App Store you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3017">TS</a>]

00:50:19   need to have a more and more custom UI [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3019">TS</a>]

00:50:23   or at least in most cases that's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3023">TS</a>]

00:50:26   case I'm sure you could well actually me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3026">TS</a>]

00:50:28   to death on this one but it seems to me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3028">TS</a>]

00:50:30   that your average consumer be it design [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3030">TS</a>]

00:50:32   minded or otherwise tends to like things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3032">TS</a>]

00:50:35   that are very opinionated and somewhat [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3035">TS</a>]

00:50:37   different I mean look at tweet bot is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3037">TS</a>]

00:50:38   great example of that I wouldn't say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3038">TS</a>]

00:50:40   that I see a whole lot of vanilla UI [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3040">TS</a>]

00:50:41   Canton tweet bot but I would say that it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3041">TS</a>]

00:50:44   looks like it belongs on the platform [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3044">TS</a>]

00:50:46   and it looks like it has its own [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3046">TS</a>]

00:50:49   personality and I would say the same of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3049">TS</a>]

00:50:50   overcast actually and so I think because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3050">TS</a>]

00:50:52   everyone was branching out in their own [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3052">TS</a>]

00:50:54   direction everyone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3054">TS</a>]

00:50:54   creating their own personal or perhaps [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3054">TS</a>]

00:50:57   company-wide you know conventions and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3057">TS</a>]

00:51:00   things I think that may be why we've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3060">TS</a>]

00:51:02   splintered in so many different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3062">TS</a>]

00:51:03   directions and that kind of bums me out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3063">TS</a>]

00:51:06   partially because I'm really bad at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3066">TS</a>]

00:51:07   customizing you like it to do weird [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3067">TS</a>]

00:51:09   things like Marco does but uh but it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3069">TS</a>]

00:51:12   it's understandable nevertheless because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3072">TS</a>]

00:51:14   in this evermore crowded space you need [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3074">TS</a>]

00:51:16   to do something to stand out well you do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3076">TS</a>]

00:51:18   need to be differentiated but that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3078">TS</a>]

00:51:20   separate from do you need to do like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3080">TS</a>]

00:51:22   super custom controls like I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3082">TS</a>]

00:51:24   that's part of the skill of making an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3084">TS</a>]

00:51:26   application in any platform is use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3086">TS</a>]

00:51:29   standard controls but add some kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3089">TS</a>]

00:51:32   branding and flair to them and and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3092">TS</a>]

00:51:34   think every application also needs at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3094">TS</a>]

00:51:35   least one or two unique interface [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3095">TS</a>]

00:51:37   elements because it historically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3097">TS</a>]

00:51:39   advances in the sort of quote/unquote [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3099">TS</a>]

00:51:41   standard UI have very often come from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3101">TS</a>]

00:51:43   third parties like the first you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3103">TS</a>]

00:51:45   just look at pull-to-refresh for crying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3105">TS</a>]

00:51:47   out loud on iOS but I was gonna do is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3107">TS</a>]

00:51:49   bunch of old Mac examples granted Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3109">TS</a>]

00:51:51   paint seeded a lot of the the DNA of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3111">TS</a>]

00:51:55   graphic applications across all GUI [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3115">TS</a>]

00:51:56   platforms but subsequent applications [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3116">TS</a>]

00:51:59   like you know illustrator and super [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3119">TS</a>]

00:52:02   paint and and Photoshop especially had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3122">TS</a>]

00:52:05   their own innovations in UI that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3125">TS</a>]

00:52:09   informed the whole rest of the the genre [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3129">TS</a>]

00:52:13   um and in the best case new interface [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3133">TS</a>]

00:52:16   elements whether they be tabs or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3136">TS</a>]

00:52:18   whatever you know should eventually be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3138">TS</a>]

00:52:20   co-opted by the OS and become standard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3140">TS</a>]

00:52:25   control so I'm not saying Apple has to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3145">TS</a>]

00:52:26   do it all but I think you can get away [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3146">TS</a>]

00:52:28   with having an application that is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3148">TS</a>]

00:52:30   hundred percent standard controls with a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3150">TS</a>]

00:52:33   little bit of flair plus one or two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3153">TS</a>]

00:52:36   things that totally don't look like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3156">TS</a>]

00:52:37   standard controls even if they are under [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3157">TS</a>]

00:52:39   the covers that they give you want your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3159">TS</a>]

00:52:41   app to have personality right like tweet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3161">TS</a>]

00:52:43   bot has a personality and you wanted to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3163">TS</a>]

00:52:46   have some some kind of differentiating [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3166">TS</a>]

00:52:48   thing like oh this is this feature the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3168">TS</a>]

00:52:49   only this application has this UI [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3169">TS</a>]

00:52:51   element is fun to use flicking the thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3171">TS</a>]

00:52:53   away or whatever and if that's really a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3173">TS</a>]

00:52:55   great idea [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3175">TS</a>]

00:52:56   a couple years down the line Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3176">TS</a>]

00:52:58   should adapt the iOS interface say oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3178">TS</a>]

00:53:01   here's a way you can pop up sort of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3181">TS</a>]

00:53:03   thing on the screen and people can flick [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3183">TS</a>]

00:53:04   it away in a like physics-based you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3184">TS</a>]

00:53:06   fun kind of way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3186">TS</a>]

00:53:07   if so many applications do that that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3187">TS</a>]

00:53:09   should be a standard type thing and that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3189">TS</a>]

00:53:12   that should be the feedback cycle I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3192">TS</a>]

00:53:13   don't think you need to go even on iOS I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3193">TS</a>]

00:53:16   don't think you need to go whole hog and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3196">TS</a>]

00:53:17   say everything I do is custom it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3197">TS</a>]

00:53:20   basically a game like every one of my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3200">TS</a>]

00:53:22   controls awesome because that's like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3202">TS</a>]

00:53:25   said it's too much differentiation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3205">TS</a>]

00:53:26   because maybe like people still do like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3206">TS</a>]

00:53:29   that but you're in for a world of hurt [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3209">TS</a>]

00:53:30   and I think it's not necessary you do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3210">TS</a>]

00:53:33   want people to notice you but you don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3213">TS</a>]

00:53:35   need to like reinvent everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3215">TS</a>]

00:53:39   especially with the flexibility Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3219">TS</a>]

00:53:41   gives you in most modern UI Kate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3221">TS</a>]

00:53:43   controls you can really customize them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3223">TS</a>]

00:53:44   to look almost nothing like what they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3224">TS</a>]

00:53:45   what you would think they look like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3225">TS</a>]

00:53:47   generic things like the collection [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3227">TS</a>]

00:53:49   abused and stuff where you have a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3229">TS</a>]

00:53:50   control over exactly what is drawn on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3230">TS</a>]

00:53:51   the screen like you can make a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3231">TS</a>]

00:53:53   collection view into something that no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3233">TS</a>]

00:53:55   longer resembles a collection view at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3235">TS</a>]

00:53:56   all with some cleverness right so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3236">TS</a>]

00:53:59   think I think app developers have the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3239">TS</a>]

00:54:04   freedom to be differentiable staying on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3244">TS</a>]

00:54:05   standard controls but I still think it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3245">TS</a>]

00:54:07   on Apple to see what's out there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3247">TS</a>]

00:54:09   see what's popular see what's works and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3249">TS</a>]

00:54:11   come up with some of their own [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3251">TS</a>]

00:54:13   innovations to give a better pallet of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3253">TS</a>]

00:54:16   tools in the end the interface builder [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3256">TS</a>]

00:54:18   sense even if nobody uses that in iOS - [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3258">TS</a>]

00:54:21   I wouldn't say that I wouldn't say that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3261">TS</a>]

00:54:23   well I don't know it's popular these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3263">TS</a>]

00:54:24   days with the kids but - to be able to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3264">TS</a>]

00:54:26   say I'm gonna make the next great iPad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3266">TS</a>]

00:54:30   graphics application of which there are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3270">TS</a>]

00:54:31   many and but I you know I don't want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3271">TS</a>]

00:54:36   have to invent everything from all cloth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3276">TS</a>]

00:54:38   I want to you know I want Apple to help [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3278">TS</a>]

00:54:41   me here by saying oh are you gonna have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3281">TS</a>]

00:54:43   floating palettes in your graphics [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3283">TS</a>]

00:54:45   application but we have a standard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3285">TS</a>]

00:54:46   control for that because everyone seems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3286">TS</a>]

00:54:47   to be making their own all the way down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3287">TS</a>]

00:54:49   to all the little experiments speaking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3289">TS</a>]

00:54:50   of Steve trout and Smith earlier of like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3290">TS</a>]

00:54:52   floating with quote/unquote Windows or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3292">TS</a>]

00:54:53   whatever stuff like that if it comes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3293">TS</a>]

00:54:56   from a third-party application first and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3296">TS</a>]

00:54:57   its popular fine but that's exactly the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3297">TS</a>]

00:55:00   type of stuff that Apple should be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3300">TS</a>]

00:55:01   looking into trying to figure out a more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3301">TS</a>]

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