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264: Every Building Has Bugs

 

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01:01:10 ◼   ► are running into glass walls I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3670">TS</a>]

01:01:14 ◼   ► even know where the genesis of this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3674">TS</a>]

01:01:16 ◼   ► story was but apparently somebody has a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3676">TS</a>]

01:01:18 ◼   ► mast I've seen a link at some point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3678">TS</a>]

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01:01:23 ◼   ► relate to people walking into the glass [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3683">TS</a>]

01:01:25 ◼   ► walls at Apple Park or something like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3685">TS</a>]

01:01:27 ◼   ► that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3687">TS</a>]

01:01:27 ◼   ► what's going on here I mean this is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3687">TS</a>]

01:01:30 ◼   ► problem that almost every office [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3690">TS</a>]

01:01:34 ◼   ► building that does a glass design or a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3694">TS</a>]

01:01:36 ◼   ► glass redesign has at some point I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3696">TS</a>]

01:01:41 ◼   ► like when I remember when I interviewed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3701">TS</a>]

01:01:43 ◼   ► as I was job seeking for the job that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3703">TS</a>]

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01:01:49 ◼   ► 2006 I had an interview of Bloomberg and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3709">TS</a>]

01:01:52 ◼   ► here in New York and they had all glass [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3712">TS</a>]

01:01:55 ◼   ► everywhere and it was very very hard for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3715">TS</a>]

01:01:57 ◼   ► me to navigate that office like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3717">TS</a>]

01:01:59 ◼   ► couldn't fly like like look around the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3719">TS</a>]

01:02:01 ◼   ► rooms like fine like where's the door [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3721">TS</a>]

01:02:03 ◼   ► out of the room I am in like you had to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3723">TS</a>]

01:02:05 ◼   ► really look hard to see like which of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3725">TS</a>]

01:02:07 ◼   ► these walls is a door actually it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3727">TS</a>]

01:02:09 ◼   ► very very strange I was part of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3729">TS</a>]

01:02:11 ◼   ► interview process this part of the test [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3731">TS</a>]

01:02:13 ◼   ► god I failed so many tests in that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3733">TS</a>]

01:02:14 ◼   ► interview I felt every test including [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3734">TS</a>]

01:02:16 ◼   ► try to escape the room but anyway and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3736">TS</a>]

01:02:21 ◼   ► remember it was a fairly moderate like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3741">TS</a>]

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01:02:26 ◼   ► point and I remember a few the employees [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3746">TS</a>]

01:02:27 ◼   ► telling me that they had to install rows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3747">TS</a>]

01:02:31 ◼   ► of logo stickers at eye level on all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3751">TS</a>]

01:02:34 ◼   ► glass because people kept running into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3754">TS</a>]

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01:02:44 ◼   ► in the chat talking about it about like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3764">TS</a>]

01:02:46 ◼   ► how this happens in like every office [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3766">TS</a>]

01:02:48 ◼   ► building that that does that goes with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3768">TS</a>]

01:02:50 ◼   ► all glass for all the walls inside like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3770">TS</a>]

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01:02:56 ◼   ► something you know to make the glass not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3776">TS</a>]

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01:03:18 ◼   ► me and and the kind of sad part is like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3798">TS</a>]

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01:03:42 ◼   ► thing it's like did they not know like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3822">TS</a>]

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01:05:00 ◼   ► angle and reflects off this particular [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3900">TS</a>]

01:05:01 ◼   ► thing goes into this person's eyes or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3901">TS</a>]

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01:05:06 ◼   ► gonna be stuff like that in every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3906">TS</a>]

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01:05:10 ◼   ► for the glass stuff it's not an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3910">TS</a>]

01:05:12 ◼   ► unforeseen thing and it's not an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3912">TS</a>]

01:05:13 ◼   ► emergent property of a complex system [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3913">TS</a>]

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01:05:22 ◼   ► tremendously glass I feel like it sounds [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3922">TS</a>]

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01:05:29 ◼   ► else it's very heavily used like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3929">TS</a>]

01:05:31 ◼   ► largest pieces of glass in the world are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3931">TS</a>]

01:05:33 ◼   ► here and it does look really good and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3933">TS</a>]

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01:05:39 ◼   ► another example of like you know form [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3939">TS</a>]

01:05:41 ◼   ► over function where if I think when we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3941">TS</a>]

01:05:43 ◼   ► talked about this building for I said I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3943">TS</a>]

01:05:45 ◼   ► didn't have confidence that Johnny I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3945">TS</a>]

01:05:47 ◼   ► really understood what it took to make a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3947">TS</a>]

01:05:49 ◼   ► functional building although I knew he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3949">TS</a>]

01:05:51 ◼   ► would make a beautiful one and this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3951">TS</a>]

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01:05:54 ◼   ► think there is actually a functional [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3954">TS</a>]

01:05:55 ◼   ► aspect to all this glass which is part [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3955">TS</a>]

01:05:57 ◼   ► of the part of the utility of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3957">TS</a>]

01:05:59 ◼   ► building is not just you know can you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3959">TS</a>]

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01:06:19 ◼   ► inside indoors outdoors with like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3979">TS</a>]

01:06:21 ◼   ► complete glass thing from floor to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3981">TS</a>]

01:06:22 ◼   ► ceiling gives a different feeling than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3982">TS</a>]

01:06:24 ◼   ► it would if it was just a window in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3984">TS</a>]

01:06:25 ◼   ► wall right so there is I think a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3985">TS</a>]

01:06:27 ◼   ► functional aspect to all of this glass [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3987">TS</a>]

01:06:29 ◼   ► and unfortunately a lot of the solutions [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3989">TS</a>]

01:06:31 ◼   ► that fix this problem like the stickers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3991">TS</a>]

01:06:34 ◼   ► at eye level or whatever fly in the face [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3994">TS</a>]

01:06:37 ◼   ► of all the advantages that you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3997">TS</a>]

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01:06:39 ◼   ► don't feel like you're you're outdoors [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3999">TS</a>]

01:06:41 ◼   ► indoors type of thing when your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4001">TS</a>]

01:06:43 ◼   ► beautiful wall of glass is marred by a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4003">TS</a>]

01:06:45 ◼   ► bunch of Apple stickers Johnny I would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4005">TS</a>]

01:06:46 ◼   ► have a heart attack if you're just a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4006">TS</a>]

01:06:47 ◼   ► bunch of apple stickers all of these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4007">TS</a>]

01:06:49 ◼   ► things well that's what they're doing in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4009">TS</a>]

01:06:50 ◼   ► some cases is like putting you know tape [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4010">TS</a>]

01:06:52 ◼   ► or anything else like it's just it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4012">TS</a>]

01:06:54 ◼   ► gaudy it breaks up the appearance that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4014">TS</a>]

01:06:56 ◼   ► you want it kills the illusion of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4016">TS</a>]

01:06:59 ◼   ► transparency of the glass it makes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4019">TS</a>]

01:07:02 ◼   ► everything uglier and worse like I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4022">TS</a>]

01:07:04 ◼   ► thinking they do it like they do in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4024">TS</a>]

01:07:06 ◼   ► diving pool in the Olympics where they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4026">TS</a>]

01:07:08 ◼   ► have a constant spray of water agitating [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4028">TS</a>]

01:07:10 ◼   ► the surface so you can see where the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4030">TS</a>]

01:07:11 ◼   ► surface of the water is you know for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4031">TS</a>]

01:07:12 ◼   ► diver as they come down they just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4032">TS</a>]

01:07:14 ◼   ► something should have constant sprays of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4034">TS</a>]

01:07:15 ◼   ► water onto the onto the walls and to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4035">TS</a>]

01:07:17 ◼   ► some one of those glass waterfall [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4037">TS</a>]

01:07:19 ◼   ► effects without kind of ruined rim the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4039">TS</a>]

01:07:21 ◼   ► aesthetic as well so I don't know what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4041">TS</a>]

01:07:23 ◼   ► the solution this is because I kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4043">TS</a>]

01:07:26 ◼   ► understand that the glass stuff is not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4046">TS</a>]

01:07:30 ◼   ► just an aesthetic so the building looks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4050">TS</a>]

01:07:32 ◼   ► pretty I really do believe it probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4052">TS</a>]

01:07:34 ◼   ► enhances the experience of being in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4054">TS</a>]

01:07:36 ◼   ► building in an important way right for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4056">TS</a>]

01:07:39 ◼   ► the people in the building not the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4059">TS</a>]

01:07:40 ◼   ► people outside looking at it but I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4060">TS</a>]

01:07:45 ◼   ► maybe there was a little bit of wishful [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4065">TS</a>]

01:07:46 ◼   ► thinking in terms of all right so we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4066">TS</a>]

01:07:49 ◼   ► know this is a problem we know people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4069">TS</a>]

01:07:51 ◼   ► run into glass a lot but after a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4071">TS</a>]

01:07:53 ◼   ► breaking-in period eventually people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4073">TS</a>]

01:07:57 ◼   ► will develop the flint reflexes or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4077">TS</a>]

01:07:59 ◼   ► something like people people will will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4079">TS</a>]

01:08:00 ◼   ► adjust their daily paths to not do this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4080">TS</a>]

01:08:03 ◼   ► it'll become more aware or this door the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4083">TS</a>]

01:08:05 ◼   ► people keep running into will make sure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4085">TS</a>]

01:08:06 ◼   ► we keep it open 24 hours a day to make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4086">TS</a>]

01:08:08 ◼   ► sure it's not a factor anymore I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4088">TS</a>]

01:08:09 ◼   ► they might have been optimistic about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4089">TS</a>]

01:08:10 ◼   ► how much people will eventually adjust [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4090">TS</a>]

01:08:13 ◼   ► to it and we'll see maybe maybe they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4093">TS</a>]

01:08:14 ◼   ► don't know you know what they should do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4094">TS</a>]

01:08:16 ◼   ► when you first walk into the building [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4096">TS</a>]

01:08:18 ◼   ► just slide it a little splash screen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4098">TS</a>]

01:08:20 ◼   ► tells people hey just so you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4100">TS</a>]

01:08:22 ◼   ► there's glass everywhere watch out walk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4102">TS</a>]

01:08:24 ◼   ► with your hands straight out in front of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4104">TS</a>]

01:08:26 ◼   ► you yeah so and probably know maybe they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4106">TS</a>]

01:08:30 ◼   ► will get used to it like this is this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4110">TS</a>]

01:08:31 ◼   ► the growing pains of this building its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4111">TS</a>]

01:08:32 ◼   ► early days maybe people will eventually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4112">TS</a>]

01:08:34 ◼   ► get used to it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4114">TS</a>]

01:08:35 ◼   ► but if they don't the solution I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4115">TS</a>]

01:08:39 ◼   ► if you want to keep the glasses I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4119">TS</a>]

01:08:42 ◼   ► what you have to do is change the non [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4122">TS</a>]

01:08:45 ◼   ► glass parts of the building to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4125">TS</a>]

01:08:47 ◼   ► essentially herd people to the openings [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4127">TS</a>]

01:08:51 ◼   ► right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4131">TS</a>]

01:08:52 ◼   ► so you want you want the building to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4132">TS</a>]

01:08:55 ◼   ► guide you like it should be less work to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4135">TS</a>]

01:08:58 ◼   ► just go when the building wants you to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4138">TS</a>]

01:08:59 ◼   ► go and you should find yourself coming [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4139">TS</a>]

01:09:01 ◼   ► to the place where the door is and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4141">TS</a>]

01:09:04 ◼   ► door hopefully will have a handle in it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4144">TS</a>]

01:09:05 ◼   ► so you see that yes this is the place [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4145">TS</a>]

01:09:07 ◼   ► where the door is right you want like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4147">TS</a>]

01:09:09 ◼   ► the idea of just having a giant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4149">TS</a>]

01:09:10 ◼   ► expansive glass that sometime is open [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4150">TS</a>]

01:09:12 ◼   ► and sometimes is closed that's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4152">TS</a>]

01:09:13 ◼   ► three football fields wide like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4153">TS</a>]

01:09:15 ◼   ► cafeteria doors strikes me as a bad idea [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4155">TS</a>]

01:09:17 ◼   ► because there's no hurting of anybody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4157">TS</a>]

01:09:19 ◼   ► and when the door is closed it looks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4159">TS</a>]

01:09:21 ◼   ► just like it's open like you know so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4161">TS</a>]

01:09:23 ◼   ► think if you want to keep the glass you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4163">TS</a>]

01:09:25 ◼   ► have to you have to make the building [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4165">TS</a>]

01:09:27 ◼   ► accommodate to us and maybe that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4167">TS</a>]

01:09:29 ◼   ► exactly what they've been trying to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4169">TS</a>]

01:09:30 ◼   ► everywhere and they just missed a couple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4170">TS</a>]

01:09:31 ◼   ► spots in that case they just ad need to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4171">TS</a>]

01:09:33 ◼   ► like rearrange the furniture and put a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4173">TS</a>]

01:09:35 ◼   ► different pattern on the floor and do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4175">TS</a>]

01:09:36 ◼   ► all those of the tricks that sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4176">TS</a>]

01:09:37 ◼   ► subtly guide you to where you where the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4177">TS</a>]

01:09:40 ◼   ► building wants you to go and flow with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4180">TS</a>]

01:09:42 ◼   ► the traffic especially with large groups [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4182">TS</a>]

01:09:43 ◼   ► of people like it's easy for like one or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4183">TS</a>]

01:09:45 ◼   ► two people on a house to guide people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4185">TS</a>]

01:09:46 ◼   ► around but in a giant campus you have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4186">TS</a>]

01:09:49 ◼   ► have large apertures to accommodate you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4189">TS</a>]

01:09:51 ◼   ► know hundreds of thousands of people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4191">TS</a>]

01:09:52 ◼   ► going to and from lunch or whatever and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4192">TS</a>]

01:09:54 ◼   ► that is the that's that's the challenge [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4194">TS</a>]

01:09:56 ◼   ► they face I really really hope the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4196">TS</a>]

01:09:59 ◼   ► eventual solution is not to put a bunch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4199">TS</a>]

01:10:01 ◼   ► of bloomberg stickers and I love all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4201">TS</a>]

01:10:02 ◼   ► residents will be weird dead lumpur [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4202">TS</a>]

01:10:04 ◼   ► stickers on Apple's campus because that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4204">TS</a>]

01:10:06 ◼   ► is just they're just designed failure on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4206">TS</a>]

01:10:08 ◼   ► all levels it's aesthetically gross and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4208">TS</a>]

01:10:10 ◼   ► it just it ruins all the benefits that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4210">TS</a>]

01:10:14 ◼   ► you're supposedly getting from the glass [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4214">TS</a>]

01:10:15 ◼   ► so here's how you do this hold the glass [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4215">TS</a>]

01:10:19 ◼   ► at exactly a 78 degree angle get a can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4219">TS</a>]

01:10:22 ◼   ► of compressed air turn the can upside [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4222">TS</a>]

01:10:24 ◼   ► down like and spread the constant spray [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4224">TS</a>]

01:10:27 ◼   ► of water just a constant spray of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4227">TS</a>]

01:10:28 ◼   ► compressed air going on the glass that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4228">TS</a>]

01:10:30 ◼   ► fogs it up and lets you see all of them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4230">TS</a>]

01:10:31 ◼   ► or they can do what they do then the ski [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4231">TS</a>]

01:10:34 ◼   ► jumps where they put pine boughs and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4234">TS</a>]

01:10:35 ◼   ► everything they just you ever see them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4235">TS</a>]

01:10:36 ◼   ► where they go to the back flips off the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4236">TS</a>]

01:10:38 ◼   ► ski jump at the Olympics they don't want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4238">TS</a>]

01:10:39 ◼   ► the slope that they land on to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4239">TS</a>]

01:10:40 ◼   ► completely wiped is that I can't again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4240">TS</a>]

01:10:42 ◼   ► they can't do depth perception to see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4242">TS</a>]

01:10:43 ◼   ► where it is when they flip to the air so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4243">TS</a>]

01:10:44 ◼   ► they put like dirt and and other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4244">TS</a>]

01:10:46 ◼   ► dark-colored junk all over it at least [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4246">TS</a>]

01:10:49 ◼   ► that would be natural it's just just a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4249">TS</a>]

01:10:50 ◼   ► bunch of pine needles stuck to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4250">TS</a>]

01:10:52 ◼   ► windows what if they use like like kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4252">TS</a>]

01:10:54 ◼   ► of like fiber-optic style like light [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4254">TS</a>]

01:10:55 ◼   ► guide lighting in the glass panes so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4255">TS</a>]

01:10:58 ◼   ► that all the panes of glass can eat like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4258">TS</a>]

01:11:00 ◼   ► each department can pick a different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4260">TS</a>]

01:11:01 ◼   ► like neon color that all their glass [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4261">TS</a>]

01:11:03 ◼   ► will be lit with all right I got it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4263">TS</a>]

01:11:06 ◼   ► perfectly not that we're gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4266">TS</a>]

01:11:07 ◼   ► transition to accidental neutral quite [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4267">TS</a>]

01:11:09 ◼   ► at this point but they need driver aids [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4269">TS</a>]

01:11:11 ◼   ► right so if you are approaching if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4271">TS</a>]

01:11:13 ◼   ► are approaching a glass wall to speed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4273">TS</a>]

01:11:15 ◼   ► they feel a collision is imminent the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4275">TS</a>]

01:11:17 ◼   ► glass wall should change to like in one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4277">TS</a>]

01:11:19 ◼   ► of those transparent LCD screens and say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4279">TS</a>]

01:11:21 ◼   ► warning stop wall is in front of you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4281">TS</a>]

01:11:23 ◼   ► goodness so there's some transcripts on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4283">TS</a>]

01:11:26 ◼   ► the San Francisco Chronicle website [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4286">TS</a>]

01:11:28 ◼   ► dispatcher tell me exactly what happened [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4288">TS</a>]

01:11:30 ◼   ► patient I walked into a glass door in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4290">TS</a>]

01:11:33 ◼   ► the first floor of Apple Park when I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4293">TS</a>]

01:11:34 ◼   ► trying to go outside which was very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4294">TS</a>]

01:11:36 ◼   ► silly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4296">TS</a>]

01:11:37 ◼   ► dispatcher you keep breaking up you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4297">TS</a>]

01:11:39 ◼   ► walked through a glass door patient I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4299">TS</a>]

01:11:41 ◼   ► didn't walk through a glass door I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4301">TS</a>]

01:11:42 ◼   ► walked into a glass door yeah speaking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4302">TS</a>]

01:11:47 ◼   ► of those big glass doors like the I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4307">TS</a>]

01:11:49 ◼   ► guess the cafeteria doors though forever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4309">TS</a>]

01:11:51 ◼   ► like the the the eating place I'm sure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4311">TS</a>]

01:11:53 ◼   ► they don't call it a cafeteria because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4313">TS</a>]

01:11:54 ◼   ► that's not fancy enough but like has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4314">TS</a>]

01:11:56 ◼   ► like what four story or three story high [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4316">TS</a>]

01:11:58 ◼   ► glass doors that way some astronomical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4318">TS</a>]

01:12:00 ◼   ► amount right and they they slide open [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4320">TS</a>]

01:12:03 ◼   ► like barn doors and they're just huge [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4323">TS</a>]

01:12:06 ◼   ► expanses of glass and I was thinking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4326">TS</a>]

01:12:08 ◼   ► about this about a month ago looking at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4328">TS</a>]

01:12:10 ◼   ► the pictures of really you know the for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4330">TS</a>]

01:12:11 ◼   ► the final building being constructed now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4331">TS</a>]

01:12:14 ◼   ► I'm sure this building have me haven't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4334">TS</a>]

01:12:15 ◼   ► been constructing California has all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4335">TS</a>]

01:12:17 ◼   ► sorts of like earthquake readiness stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4337">TS</a>]

01:12:19 ◼   ► built into it because surely the codes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4339">TS</a>]

01:12:20 ◼   ► require that and surely Apple would do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4340">TS</a>]

01:12:22 ◼   ► that right and they consider the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4342">TS</a>]

01:12:23 ◼   ► possibility that these doors cause [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4343">TS</a>]

01:12:25 ◼   ► earthquakes when they open they're very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4345">TS</a>]

01:12:27 ◼   ► simple it's very it's very well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4347">TS</a>]

01:12:29 ◼   ► lubricated mechanism it's almost [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4349">TS</a>]

01:12:30 ◼   ► noiseless it's beautiful but and I know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4350">TS</a>]

01:12:34 ◼   ► glass bends right but these are very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4354">TS</a>]

01:12:37 ◼   ► large very heavy pieces of glass and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4357">TS</a>]

01:12:40 ◼   ► probably the last place I would want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4360">TS</a>]

01:12:41 ◼   ► be during an earthquake is near one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4361">TS</a>]

01:12:44 ◼   ► these giant sheets of glass because I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4364">TS</a>]

01:12:46 ◼   ► don't want a chunk of glass falling from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4366">TS</a>]

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01:19:33 ◼   ► sunroof with heat or you know the lack [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4773">TS</a>]

01:19:37 ◼   ► of heat in the car but is a very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4777">TS</a>]

01:19:39 ◼   ► pleasant thing to have fresh air coming [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4779">TS</a>]

01:19:42 ◼   ► in but to not be freezing your butt off [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4782">TS</a>]

01:19:45 ◼   ► in the winter that to me is the best [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4785">TS</a>]

01:19:48 ◼   ► reason to have a sunroof is is the use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4788">TS</a>]

01:19:49 ◼   ► of it in the wintertime I will say that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4789">TS</a>]

01:19:52 ◼   ► a that a good solid floor he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4792">TS</a>]

01:19:54 ◼   ► with the with the ventilated roof is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4794">TS</a>]

01:19:56 ◼   ► nice thing I don't usually do that it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4796">TS</a>]

01:19:59 ◼   ► not something I enjoy often but you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4799">TS</a>]

01:20:02 ◼   ► having the heat coming up from the floor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4802">TS</a>]

01:20:03 ◼   ► rising up and then escaping out the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4803">TS</a>]

01:20:05 ◼   ► sunroof is actually quite pleasant John [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4805">TS</a>]

01:20:08 ◼   ► if you had a sunroof hypothetically do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4808">TS</a>]

01:20:11 ◼   ► you ever fancy a time that you would use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4811">TS</a>]

01:20:13 ◼   ► it my parents cars have had them so I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4813">TS</a>]

01:20:17 ◼   ► had them enough to know whether I use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4817">TS</a>]

01:20:19 ◼   ► them and basically I treated like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4819">TS</a>]

01:20:21 ◼   ► window in general no I don't want it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4821">TS</a>]

01:20:22 ◼   ► open for the same reasons hair mussing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4822">TS</a>]

01:20:24 ◼   ► and throwing noises I don't and now that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4824">TS</a>]

01:20:27 ◼   ► my hair is thinning on top I'd probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4827">TS</a>]

01:20:28 ◼   ► have the same problem with with head [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4828">TS</a>]

01:20:31 ◼   ► burn so I think I would probably not use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4831">TS</a>]

01:20:34 ◼   ► it even if I had it head burn is not fun [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4834">TS</a>]

01:20:36 ◼   ► as someone who is far and away the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4836">TS</a>]

01:20:39 ◼   ► fussiest about his hair I can tell you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4839">TS</a>]

01:20:41 ◼   ► that I can rock the sunroof reasonably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4841">TS</a>]

01:20:44 ◼   ► frequently without worrying about my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4844">TS</a>]

01:20:46 ◼   ► hair getting too messed up whereas that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4846">TS</a>]

01:20:48 ◼   ► is not typically true with the side [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4848">TS</a>]

01:20:50 ◼   ► windows if I open them more than just a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4850">TS</a>]

01:20:52 ◼   ► crack [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4852">TS</a>]

01:20:52 ◼   ► you got more product in your hair than I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4852">TS</a>]

01:20:54 ◼   ► do though oh it's pretty much welded at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4854">TS</a>]

01:20:56 ◼   ► this point there's so much junk in there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4856">TS</a>]

01:20:58 ◼   ► you know for if anybody out there feels [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4858">TS</a>]

01:21:01 ◼   ► bad for me that I don't have good hair [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4861">TS</a>]

01:21:03 ◼   ► just know that I don't have to worry [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4863">TS</a>]

01:21:05 ◼   ► about any of that BS like my hair cannot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4865">TS</a>]

01:21:09 ◼   ► be messed up it's glorious I can I can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4869">TS</a>]

01:21:12 ◼   ► leave all the windows down and this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4872">TS</a>]

01:21:14 ◼   ► hundred of open and drive on the highway [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4874">TS</a>]

01:21:17 ◼   ► and yet just tons of wind to the point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4877">TS</a>]

01:21:20 ◼   ► where like if I have like a loose tissue [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4880">TS</a>]

01:21:22 ◼   ► in the back of my car it might blow out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4882">TS</a>]

01:21:24 ◼   ► the window so I have to like make sure I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4884">TS</a>]

01:21:26 ◼   ► like everything is like anchored down in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4886">TS</a>]

01:21:29 ◼   ► the vehicle but I can I can drive in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4889">TS</a>]

01:21:31 ◼   ► pure wind like that which is awesome in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4891">TS</a>]

01:21:34 ◼   ► the summertime when you drive a nice to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4894">TS</a>]

01:21:35 ◼   ► the beach by the way and it's wonderful [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4895">TS</a>]

01:21:37 ◼   ► and I guess where I'm going and my hair [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4897">TS</a>]

01:21:40 ◼   ► isn't messed up because it can't be it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4900">TS</a>]

01:21:42 ◼   ► amazing I go to the shower and it's dry [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4902">TS</a>]

01:21:44 ◼   ► like it's done I just walk out of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4904">TS</a>]

01:21:47 ◼   ► bathroom it's wonderful like so yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4907">TS</a>]

01:21:50 ◼   ► don't feel bad for me as these two were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4910">TS</a>]

01:21:52 ◼   ► talking about comparing the amount of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4912">TS</a>]

01:21:54 ◼   ► product in their hair and and how they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4914">TS</a>]

01:21:55 ◼   ► can't enjoy wind movement because it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4915">TS</a>]

01:21:58 ◼   ► might mess up their hair that's only for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4918">TS</a>]

01:22:00 ◼   ► going to work I'm glad you broke the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4920">TS</a>]

01:22:01 ◼   ► beach Beach is the one time where I do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4921">TS</a>]

01:22:03 ◼   ► open windows and I probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4923">TS</a>]

01:22:04 ◼   ► a sunroof just to smell the beach air [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4924">TS</a>]

01:22:07 ◼   ► and because no one should ever care [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4927">TS</a>]

01:22:08 ◼   ► where the hair looks like when they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4928">TS</a>]

01:22:09 ◼   ► going to or from the beach and I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4929">TS</a>]

01:22:10 ◼   ► fair enough [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4930">TS</a>]

01:22:12 ◼   ► and finally when do you turn your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4932">TS</a>]

01:22:13 ◼   ► recirculation on or recirculating the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4933">TS</a>]

01:22:16 ◼   ► the air conditioning I don't typically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4936">TS</a>]

01:22:19 ◼   ► mess with this unless there is an odor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4939">TS</a>]

01:22:21 ◼   ► or I'm in a hurry to get the the car [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4941">TS</a>]

01:22:24 ◼   ► either colder or warmer my car does have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4944">TS</a>]

01:22:28 ◼   ► an automatic recirculation feature I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4948">TS</a>]

01:22:30 ◼   ► have no idea if that's like a complete [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4950">TS</a>]

01:22:32 ◼   ► placebo or if it actually does you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4952">TS</a>]

01:22:34 ◼   ► flip recirculation on and off and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4954">TS</a>]

01:22:37 ◼   ► typically I just leave that on but in in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4957">TS</a>]

01:22:39 ◼   ► Prior cars I would only ever really turn [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4959">TS</a>]

01:22:41 ◼   ► recirculation on if I was in a real big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4961">TS</a>]

01:22:44 ◼   ► hurry to reach the temperature I wanted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4964">TS</a>]

01:22:46 ◼   ► John I think it's your turn now I am a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4966">TS</a>]

01:22:48 ◼   ► manual control even though my car has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4968">TS</a>]

01:22:51 ◼   ► automatic climate control I have manual [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4971">TS</a>]

01:22:53 ◼   ► control or I'm a micro manager of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4973">TS</a>]

01:22:55 ◼   ► climate controls and recirculation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4975">TS</a>]

01:22:56 ◼   ► different i preemptively turn it on when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4976">TS</a>]

01:22:59 ◼   ► I know I'm going to be coming to a stop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4979">TS</a>]

01:23:01 ◼   ► behind a smoker because smokers are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4981">TS</a>]

01:23:02 ◼   ► disgusting and flickers dependent other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4982">TS</a>]

01:23:04 ◼   ► windows which they leave cracked open so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4984">TS</a>]

01:23:06 ◼   ► we're the entire world can enjoy their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4986">TS</a>]

01:23:07 ◼   ► stupid smoke and then they flick the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4987">TS</a>]

01:23:09 ◼   ► cigarette that their have done without [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4989">TS</a>]

01:23:10 ◼   ► the window to I put three Sark on again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4990">TS</a>]

01:23:14 ◼   ► preemptively when I'm you know gonna be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4994">TS</a>]

01:23:16 ◼   ► stopped behind a big truck that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4996">TS</a>]

01:23:18 ◼   ► spewing its stinky exhaust basically I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4998">TS</a>]

01:23:19 ◼   ► mean I know there's going to be an order [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4999">TS</a>]

01:23:21 ◼   ► from the outside I turned on and the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5001">TS</a>]

01:23:24 ◼   ► final time that I do it is yeah in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5004">TS</a>]

01:23:26 ◼   ► summer when I want to get the car cooler [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5006">TS</a>]

01:23:28 ◼   ► faster but only after I allow enough [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5008">TS</a>]

01:23:30 ◼   ► fresh air in so the inside and outside [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5010">TS</a>]

01:23:31 ◼   ► temperatures are equalized and in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5011">TS</a>]

01:23:33 ◼   ► winter when my cars when my cars pour [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5013">TS</a>]

01:23:36 ◼   ► heating system I can't keep up can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5016">TS</a>]

01:23:40 ◼   ► like literally can't make the car warm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5020">TS</a>]

01:23:42 ◼   ► enough because it is so freakin cold [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5022">TS</a>]

01:23:43 ◼   ► that the air coming out of the vents [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5023">TS</a>]

01:23:46 ◼   ► gets appreciably warmer when I put [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5026">TS</a>]

01:23:48 ◼   ► recirc on like in the really cold spell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5028">TS</a>]

01:23:51 ◼   ► that we have are it's like below zero [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5031">TS</a>]

01:23:52 ◼   ► for several days in a row the car will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5032">TS</a>]

01:23:55 ◼   ► eventually warm up and be comfortable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5035">TS</a>]

01:23:57 ◼   ► enough but if you're on a shortness [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5037">TS</a>]

01:23:59 ◼   ► drive where you don't have time to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5039">TS</a>]

01:24:01 ◼   ► that you just got to put on research [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5041">TS</a>]

01:24:02 ◼   ► just to get it just for me to not to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5042">TS</a>]

01:24:04 ◼   ► freezing my boat I don't have heated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5044">TS</a>]

01:24:05 ◼   ► seats I think that would really help me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5045">TS</a>]

01:24:06 ◼   ► get around with it but that's that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5046">TS</a>]

01:24:07 ◼   ► when I do it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5047">TS</a>]

01:24:08 ◼   ► Wow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5048">TS</a>]

01:24:12 ◼   ► I used to manually manage recirculation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5052">TS</a>]

01:24:16 ◼   ► I don't anymore because modern nice cars [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5056">TS</a>]

01:24:21 ◼   ► not only do it for you and and their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5061">TS</a>]

01:24:23 ◼   ► defaults of when to use it versus when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5063">TS</a>]

01:24:25 ◼   ► not to seem pretty good but also like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5065">TS</a>]

01:24:28 ◼   ► the smoker issue I I too like one way to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5068">TS</a>]

01:24:31 ◼   ► really make me very angry is to make me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5071">TS</a>]

01:24:34 ◼   ► smell cigarette smoke for some reason [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5074">TS</a>]

01:24:36 ◼   ► and but the good thing is about like and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5076">TS</a>]

01:24:38 ◼   ► I don't know if it's a Tesla and BMW [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5078">TS</a>]

01:24:40 ◼   ► thing or whatever but like usually the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5080">TS</a>]

01:24:42 ◼   ► the intake air filters seem to be so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5082">TS</a>]

01:24:45 ◼   ► good on some of these cars now that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5085">TS</a>]

01:24:48 ◼   ► don't usually smell outside smells if my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5088">TS</a>]

01:24:51 ◼   ► windows are up and my Sun roof is closed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5091">TS</a>]

01:24:52 ◼   ► now occasionally I will still smell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5092">TS</a>]

01:24:55 ◼   ► cigarette because my windows cracked or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5095">TS</a>]

01:24:56 ◼   ► something but that's coming in through [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5096">TS</a>]

01:24:58 ◼   ► the window not the ventilation system so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5098">TS</a>]

01:25:00 ◼   ► I almost never have any reason to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5100">TS</a>]

01:25:02 ◼   ► manually adjust whether recirculation is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5102">TS</a>]

01:25:05 ◼   ► on or off I just let the system handle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5105">TS</a>]

01:25:07 ◼   ► it and it's fine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5107">TS</a>]

01:25:08 ◼   ► Peter Gosling writes in there seems to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5108">TS</a>]

01:25:11 ◼   ► be a lot of disappointment to slack Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5111">TS</a>]

01:25:12 ◼   ► client justifiably so why not stick with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5112">TS</a>]

01:25:14 ◼   ► IRC like the live show the native Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5114">TS</a>]

01:25:16 ◼   ► IRC clients are joy to use and aren't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5116">TS</a>]

01:25:19 ◼   ► half-baked like slack is so a little bit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5119">TS</a>]

01:25:20 ◼   ► of background slack is written using [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5120">TS</a>]

01:25:23 ◼   ► electron which does not by necessity [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5123">TS</a>]

01:25:25 ◼   ► means it's a pile of mean that it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5125">TS</a>]

01:25:26 ◼   ► pile of garbage but it turns out it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5126">TS</a>]

01:25:28 ◼   ► in fact a pile of garbage but a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5128">TS</a>]

01:25:31 ◼   ► known fact about slack which I probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5131">TS</a>]

01:25:33 ◼   ► will not remember to put in the show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5133">TS</a>]

01:25:34 ◼   ► notes and say you can actually access [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5134">TS</a>]

01:25:35 ◼   ► slack I chat rooms teams whatever the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5135">TS</a>]

01:25:40 ◼   ► terminology is via IRC there's an IRC [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5140">TS</a>]

01:25:42 ◼   ► front-end to slack so you could use any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5142">TS</a>]

01:25:44 ◼   ► IRC client in connect to slack and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5144">TS</a>]

01:25:48 ◼   ► that's what Peters talking about where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5148">TS</a>]

01:25:50 ◼   ► this falls down is a couple of things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5150">TS</a>]

01:25:52 ◼   ► one Peter said the native Matt mac IRC [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5152">TS</a>]

01:25:54 ◼   ► clients are joy to use and I must not be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5154">TS</a>]

01:25:57 ◼   ► using the ones that he's using I use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5157">TS</a>]

01:25:58 ◼   ► colloquy which is okay whatever Peters [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5158">TS</a>]

01:26:03 ◼   ► using must be much better than that yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5163">TS</a>]

01:26:05 ◼   ► I got agree on that by the way like I IV [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5165">TS</a>]

01:26:07 ◼   ► I used colloquy I've also used textual [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5167">TS</a>]

01:26:09 ◼   ► and there's one more if use ones before [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5169">TS</a>]

01:26:12 ◼   ► I forget what it is and I can only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5172">TS</a>]

01:26:14 ◼   ► describe any of them as okay yeah but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5174">TS</a>]

01:26:17 ◼   ► anyway so you can use IRC to get to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5177">TS</a>]

01:26:18 ◼   ► slack and the reason that I don't do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5178">TS</a>]

01:26:22 ◼   ► this well there's a couple of reasons [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5182">TS</a>]

01:26:23 ◼   ► but mostly the reason the the biggest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5183">TS</a>]

01:26:26 ◼   ► reason I don't do this is because one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5186">TS</a>]

01:26:27 ◼   ► the better things about slack and one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5187">TS</a>]

01:26:29 ◼   ► the reasons why I do understand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5189">TS</a>]

01:26:30 ◼   ► and if I don't love the fact that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5190">TS</a>]

01:26:32 ◼   ► use electron is that so much of their so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5192">TS</a>]

01:26:35 ◼   ► much of the things you put into a slack [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5195">TS</a>]

01:26:37 ◼   ► chat will like Auto expands so think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5197">TS</a>]

01:26:40 ◼   ► about what's going on with iMessage when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5200">TS</a>]

01:26:41 ◼   ► you put a tweet in or a link to a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5201">TS</a>]

01:26:44 ◼   ► website it will try to grab like a hero [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5204">TS</a>]

01:26:47 ◼   ► image or if there's a tweet with an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5207">TS</a>]

01:26:48 ◼   ► image it will grab the image and it will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5208">TS</a>]

01:26:50 ◼   ► put it right in line in that iMessage [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5210">TS</a>]

01:26:52 ◼   ► conversation will slack does the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5212">TS</a>]

01:26:53 ◼   ► thing but it does it for all sorts of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5213">TS</a>]

01:26:55 ◼   ► different data and it's really really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5215">TS</a>]

01:26:57 ◼   ► nice I mean that genuinely and that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5217">TS</a>]

01:26:59 ◼   ► think I would really miss if I didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5219">TS</a>]

01:27:02 ◼   ► have that and so like another example of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5222">TS</a>]

01:27:04 ◼   ► that is say if somebody pastes in an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5224">TS</a>]

01:27:06 ◼   ► animated gif or a URL to an animated gif [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5226">TS</a>]

01:27:09 ◼   ► I would want to see that inline like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5229">TS</a>]

01:27:11 ◼   ► part of what makes slack fun is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5231">TS</a>]

01:27:13 ◼   ► kind of shucking and jiving back and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5233">TS</a>]

01:27:15 ◼   ► forth with gifts and things like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5235">TS</a>]

01:27:17 ◼   ► and I think I would miss out on that if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5237">TS</a>]

01:27:19 ◼   ► it was just in a traditional IRC client [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5239">TS</a>]

01:27:21 ◼   ► but it is a fair point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5241">TS</a>]

01:27:23 ◼   ► and maybe I should try it just to see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5243">TS</a>]

01:27:25 ◼   ► but I don't know that's that's my two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5245">TS</a>]

01:27:27 ◼   ► cents do you guys have anything to add [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5247">TS</a>]

01:27:28 ◼   ► about that so I think in this contest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5248">TS</a>]

01:27:33 ◼   ► between various applications let you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5253">TS</a>]

01:27:36 ◼   ► type words to other people even if their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5256">TS</a>]

01:27:38 ◼   ► various friends to slack in the case of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5258">TS</a>]

01:27:40 ◼   ► the IRC gateway to slack or whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5260">TS</a>]

01:27:41 ◼   ► I think the slack application on the Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5261">TS</a>]

01:27:44 ◼   ► won fair and square based on its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5264">TS</a>]

01:27:47 ◼   ► features and ease of use that's what it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5267">TS</a>]

01:27:49 ◼   ► comes down to like yes IRC is existed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5269">TS</a>]

01:27:51 ◼   ► forever and yes lots of IRC clients are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5271">TS</a>]

01:27:53 ◼   ► good but slack offered a combination of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5273">TS</a>]

01:27:57 ◼   ► functionality and application that gives [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5277">TS</a>]

01:28:00 ◼   ► you a front-end for that functionality [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5280">TS</a>]

01:28:01 ◼   ► that is simply more attractive to most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5281">TS</a>]

01:28:04 ◼   ► people than all of the alternatives like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5284">TS</a>]

01:28:06 ◼   ► it's not like slack one accidentally or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5286">TS</a>]

01:28:08 ◼   ► because it was bundled as part of some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5288">TS</a>]

01:28:09 ◼   ► monopolistic thing and you couldn't help [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5289">TS</a>]

01:28:11 ◼   ► but have slack forced down our throat [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5291">TS</a>]

01:28:13 ◼   ► slack has lots of warts but it has the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5293">TS</a>]

01:28:16 ◼   ► right balance of stuff it is a fun [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5296">TS</a>]

01:28:18 ◼   ► interesting easy to use application that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5298">TS</a>]

01:28:22 ◼   ► provides I think more fun and more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5302">TS</a>]

01:28:25 ◼   ► features focused on exactly what it does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5305">TS</a>]

01:28:27 ◼   ► in an IRC client and enough speed and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5307">TS</a>]

01:28:30 ◼   ► functionality that we all you know grit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5310">TS</a>]

01:28:33 ◼   ► our teeth and deal with the electron [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5313">TS</a>]

01:28:35 ◼   ► weirdness and everything like this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5315">TS</a>]

01:28:37 ◼   ► because on balance it is better than all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5317">TS</a>]

01:28:39 ◼   ► those things otherwise we would still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5319">TS</a>]

01:28:40 ◼   ► all be using those things I was in tons [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5320">TS</a>]

01:28:42 ◼   ► of IRC channels before slack claimed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5322">TS</a>]

01:28:44 ◼   ► and most of them have been replaced by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5324">TS</a>]

01:28:46 ◼   ► slack because that's what more people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5326">TS</a>]

01:28:48 ◼   ► want to use I can understand being in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5328">TS</a>]

01:28:49 ◼   ► situation where it's like yeah but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5329">TS</a>]

01:28:50 ◼   ► like the IRC you better sure but I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5330">TS</a>]

01:28:53 ◼   ► most people did not like IRC better or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5333">TS</a>]

01:28:55 ◼   ► didn't like IRC at all which is why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5335">TS</a>]

01:28:57 ◼   ► slack is as successful as it is so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5337">TS</a>]

01:28:59 ◼   ► think the reason we don't use it as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5339">TS</a>]

01:29:02 ◼   ► because lack is better in general one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5342">TS</a>]

01:29:05 ◼   ► Pablo Rodriguez writes in John I saw [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5345">TS</a>]

01:29:08 ◼   ► your tweet about the halting problem I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5348">TS</a>]

01:29:09 ◼   ► would like to hear how you would explain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5349">TS</a>]

01:29:11 ◼   ► it so the context this was just a couple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5351">TS</a>]

01:29:14 ◼   ► of days ago and John jump in and cut me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5354">TS</a>]

01:29:16 ◼   ► off whenever you're ready quote why is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5356">TS</a>]

01:29:18 ◼   ► this program taking so long to run and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5358">TS</a>]

01:29:20 ◼   ► quote big milestone today my son's first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5360">TS</a>]

01:29:22 ◼   ► infinite loop then he asked why the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5362">TS</a>]

01:29:24 ◼   ► programming courseware website he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5364">TS</a>]

01:29:25 ◼   ► using can't just tell him there's an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5365">TS</a>]

01:29:27 ◼   ► infinite loop instead of trying to run [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5367">TS</a>]

01:29:28 ◼   ► the program as written I introduced him [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5368">TS</a>]

01:29:30 ◼   ► to the halting problem but he wasn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5370">TS</a>]

01:29:31 ◼   ► impressed so do you want to fill in any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5371">TS</a>]

01:29:33 ◼   ► other context or just jump into the what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5373">TS</a>]

01:29:36 ◼   ► is the halting problem so the context [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5376">TS</a>]

01:29:38 ◼   ► here is that I tried to show my kids [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5378">TS</a>]

01:29:41 ◼   ► both of my kids programming it very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5381">TS</a>]

01:29:44 ◼   ► early ages say if you're interested this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5384">TS</a>]

01:29:46 ◼   ► is the thing I can show you how to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5386">TS</a>]

01:29:47 ◼   ► but of course me being a father they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5387">TS</a>]

01:29:48 ◼   ► don't want to have anything to do it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5388">TS</a>]

01:29:50 ◼   ► I know how to do so fine or whatever so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5390">TS</a>]

01:29:51 ◼   ► I just laid off like they were into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5391">TS</a>]

01:29:53 ◼   ► whatever they're into but my son is in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5393">TS</a>]

01:29:56 ◼   ► eighth grade now and he's looking to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5396">TS</a>]

01:29:58 ◼   ► take he wants to take a computer science [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5398">TS</a>]

01:30:00 ◼   ► course in ninth grade which is awesome [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5400">TS</a>]

01:30:01 ◼   ► that it's even offered I didn't have any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5401">TS</a>]

01:30:02 ◼   ► computer science courses in my high [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5402">TS</a>]

01:30:04 ◼   ► school yes they had computers but they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5404">TS</a>]

01:30:05 ◼   ► were Apple twos but anyway he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5405">TS</a>]

01:30:08 ◼   ► interested in taking that maybe just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5408">TS</a>]

01:30:09 ◼   ► because his friends are interested it I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5409">TS</a>]

01:30:10 ◼   ► can't tell if he's really interested in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5410">TS</a>]

01:30:11 ◼   ► it but he's trying to get into an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5411">TS</a>]

01:30:15 ◼   ► advanced level computer science class [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5415">TS</a>]

01:30:16 ◼   ► and he wants to have some experience so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5416">TS</a>]

01:30:19 ◼   ► he's going through this online course or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5419">TS</a>]

01:30:20 ◼   ► a thing with his friends right this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5420">TS</a>]

01:30:21 ◼   ► all is all him right but I'm offering to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5421">TS</a>]

01:30:24 ◼   ► help him with it so that's why he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5424">TS</a>]

01:30:27 ◼   ► doing any kind of programming stuff at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5427">TS</a>]

01:30:28 ◼   ► all and it's pretty late in the game and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5428">TS</a>]

01:30:30 ◼   ► the grand scheme of things he's got like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5430">TS</a>]

01:30:31 ◼   ► five year-olds who are writing iOS apps [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5431">TS</a>]

01:30:32 ◼   ► and a lot of on stage at Apple things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5432">TS</a>]

01:30:34 ◼   ► and stuff like that and he's you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5434">TS</a>]

01:30:35 ◼   ► he's not a precocious programmer but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5435">TS</a>]

01:30:37 ◼   ► he's getting into it and so I'm trying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5437">TS</a>]

01:30:40 ◼   ► to help them you know as laid-back way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5440">TS</a>]

01:30:42 ◼   ► as possible because you don't help too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5442">TS</a>]

01:30:44 ◼   ► much you know because like becomes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5444">TS</a>]

01:30:46 ◼   ► uncool if dad's into it whatever and he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5446">TS</a>]

01:30:48 ◼   ► did write an infinite loop and he did it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5448">TS</a>]

01:30:50 ◼   ► asked me like the course where it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5450">TS</a>]

01:30:51 ◼   ► running his program for it and like it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5451">TS</a>]

01:30:53 ◼   ► just was like a spinner on the web babe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5453">TS</a>]

01:30:54 ◼   ► and he's like why is it taking so long [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5454">TS</a>]

01:30:55 ◼   ► he they write an infant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5455">TS</a>]

01:30:57 ◼   ► I feel like it really is a milestone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5457">TS</a>]

01:30:58 ◼   ► like the first time you do that and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5458">TS</a>]

01:31:00 ◼   ► don't understand what the hell's going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5460">TS</a>]

01:31:01 ◼   ► on in your program specifically he was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5461">TS</a>]

01:31:03 ◼   ► he was iterating over an array and in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5463">TS</a>]

01:31:07 ◼   ► inside the loop he was adding I am to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5467">TS</a>]

01:31:08 ◼   ► the end of the array which is a pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5468">TS</a>]

01:31:10 ◼   ► fun way to do your first infinite loop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5470">TS</a>]

01:31:11 ◼   ► as opposed to just like forgetting to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5471">TS</a>]

01:31:13 ◼   ► check for termination condition he was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5473">TS</a>]

01:31:14 ◼   ► iterating over listed he kept growing at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5474">TS</a>]

01:31:15 ◼   ► the same pace he was iterating over it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5475">TS</a>]

01:31:17 ◼   ► so that was fun [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5477">TS</a>]

01:31:18 ◼   ► apologies to the courseware website for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5478">TS</a>]

01:31:20 ◼   ► the for the infinite loop bomb my son [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5480">TS</a>]

01:31:22 ◼   ► invoked on you as he opened up tab after [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5482">TS</a>]

01:31:24 ◼   ► tab and tried to run the same program it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5484">TS</a>]

01:31:28 ◼   ► wasn't he didn't do a fork bomb but he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5488">TS</a>]

01:31:30 ◼   ► not he's not up at that process level [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5490">TS</a>]

01:31:31 ◼   ► yet so I did try to say actually there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5491">TS</a>]

01:31:34 ◼   ► a general problem about this the halting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5494">TS</a>]

01:31:35 ◼   ► problem and to finally get to answer the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5495">TS</a>]

01:31:38 ◼   ► specific question how would you go about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5498">TS</a>]

01:31:39 ◼   ► explaining it part of the knowledge and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5499">TS</a>]

01:31:43 ◼   ► wisdom I'm trying to impart on him as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5503">TS</a>]

01:31:45 ◼   ► part of this is not the specifics of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5505">TS</a>]

01:31:46 ◼   ► whatever he's doing about programming [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5506">TS</a>]

01:31:48 ◼   ► which I figure will come on his own but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5508">TS</a>]

01:31:50 ◼   ► how do you how do you how do programmers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5510">TS</a>]

01:31:54 ◼   ► do this how do you figure stuff out and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5514">TS</a>]

01:31:56 ◼   ► early on I want to show them if you have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5516">TS</a>]

01:31:58 ◼   ► a question about how something works the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5518">TS</a>]

01:32:00 ◼   ► magic of the Internet you know after me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5520">TS</a>]

01:32:02 ◼   ► saying you know up hill both ways how I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5522">TS</a>]

01:32:04 ◼   ► had to do it in my day so on and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5524">TS</a>]

01:32:06 ◼   ► forth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5526">TS</a>]

01:32:06 ◼   ► you can just type your question into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5526">TS</a>]

01:32:08 ◼   ► Google and every like a Stack Overflow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5528">TS</a>]

01:32:09 ◼   ► answer like you know how to concatenate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5529">TS</a>]

01:32:11 ◼   ► strings you know in Python or whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5531">TS</a>]

01:32:13 ◼   ► like the answer is right there you don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5533">TS</a>]

01:32:16 ◼   ► have to ask me you don't have to wonder [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5536">TS</a>]

01:32:17 ◼   ► just type it into Google search box so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5537">TS</a>]

01:32:20 ◼   ► for the halting problem rather than me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5540">TS</a>]

01:32:22 ◼   ► trying to explain this is what the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5542">TS</a>]

01:32:24 ◼   ► halting problem is based on like my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5544">TS</a>]

01:32:25 ◼   ► memory of it from school you know or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5545">TS</a>]

01:32:27 ◼   ► just like even just in broad strokes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5547">TS</a>]

01:32:29 ◼   ► just go to the Wikipedia page for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5549">TS</a>]

01:32:31 ◼   ► halting problem and there's like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5551">TS</a>]

01:32:33 ◼   ► paragraph at the top it does a pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5553">TS</a>]

01:32:35 ◼   ► good job of explaining more or less what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5555">TS</a>]

01:32:36 ◼   ► the halting problem is in links to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5556">TS</a>]

01:32:37 ◼   ► examples and so on and so forth but the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5557">TS</a>]

01:32:39 ◼   ► idea is that you shouldn't ask your dad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5559">TS</a>]

01:32:41 ◼   ► or ask someone next to you to explain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5561">TS</a>]

01:32:43 ◼   ► what the halting problem is you are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5563">TS</a>]

01:32:44 ◼   ► empowered because you have the whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5564">TS</a>]

01:32:46 ◼   ► internet at your fingertips to find out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5566">TS</a>]

01:32:48 ◼   ► the answer to this question quickly and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5568">TS</a>]

01:32:49 ◼   ► in a much more authoritative way than me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5569">TS</a>]

01:32:51 ◼   ► trying to you know recite it from memory [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5571">TS</a>]

01:32:54 ◼   ► because if I was gonna recite it from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5574">TS</a>]

01:32:55 ◼   ► memory if I was gonna talk about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5575">TS</a>]

01:32:56 ◼   ► halting problem on this show I almost [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5576">TS</a>]

01:32:58 ◼   ► did it when I saw his question I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5578">TS</a>]

01:32:59 ◼   ► like oh I should go to the Wikipedia [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5579">TS</a>]

01:33:00 ◼   ► page and and paste the first bit but no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5580">TS</a>]

01:33:02 ◼   ► like the lesson is you this is one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5582">TS</a>]

01:33:05 ◼   ► those things that you don't have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5585">TS</a>]

01:33:06 ◼   ► memorize and even if you know it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5586">TS</a>]

01:33:08 ◼   ► backwards and forwards it's difficult [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5588">TS</a>]

01:33:09 ◼   ► sometimes to explain something that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5589">TS</a>]

01:33:11 ◼   ► no if you haven't like taught a course [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5591">TS</a>]

01:33:12 ◼   ► into five or six times so use the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5592">TS</a>]

01:33:15 ◼   ► Internet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5595">TS</a>]

01:33:15 ◼   ► use the tools that are available to you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5595">TS</a>]

01:33:16 ◼   ► don't rely on other people to explain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5596">TS</a>]

01:33:18 ◼   ► things I haven't yet explained to him [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5598">TS</a>]

01:33:20 ◼   ► about it Wikipedia being a tertiary [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5600">TS</a>]

01:33:22 ◼   ► source a little crap but here we go one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5602">TS</a>]

01:33:25 ◼   ► step at a time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5605">TS</a>]

01:33:25 ◼   ► there's only so much dad that kids can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5605">TS</a>]

01:33:27 ◼   ► take in one dose all right thanks to our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5607">TS</a>]

01:33:30 ◼   ► sponsors this week [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5610">TS</a>]

01:33:32 ◼   ► and we'll see you next week now the show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5612">TS</a>]

01:33:38 ◼   ► is over to be y el asesor that's Casey [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5618">TS</a>]

01:34:13 ◼   ► less and a are Co AR m and T Marco [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5653">TS</a>]

01:34:18 ◼   ► Arment [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5658">TS</a>]

01:34:20 ◼   ► [Music] [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5660">TS</a>]

01:34:36 ◼   ► [Music] [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5676">TS</a>]

01:34:38 ◼   ► all right so last week we what was the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5678">TS</a>]

01:34:41 ◼   ► the Genesis the question I should have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5681">TS</a>]

01:34:43 ◼   ► left in the show notes but we were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5683">TS</a>]

01:34:44 ◼   ► talking about like cars and things and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5684">TS</a>]

01:34:47 ◼   ► rolling double zero in the chat [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5687">TS</a>]

01:34:49 ◼   ► suggested something that hopefully you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5689">TS</a>]

01:34:52 ◼   ► guys have at least put two minutes of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5692">TS</a>]

01:34:54 ◼   ► thought into which I know Marko hasn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5694">TS</a>]

01:34:56 ◼   ► and John maybe has oh no I put exactly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5696">TS</a>]

01:34:58 ◼   ► two minutes of thought into it alright [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5698">TS</a>]

01:35:00 ◼   ► well that works for me what car would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5700">TS</a>]

01:35:02 ◼   ► you pick for your other hosts now I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5702">TS</a>]

01:35:04 ◼   ► didn't ask [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5704">TS</a>]

01:35:06 ◼   ► rollin 0-0 nor did I clarify what do you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5706">TS</a>]

01:35:10 ◼   ► mean by that is it the car you think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5710">TS</a>]

01:35:13 ◼   ► they would enjoy the most is it the car [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5713">TS</a>]

01:35:15 ◼   ► you would most like to see them in is it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5715">TS</a>]

01:35:17 ◼   ► the car that you would get to just troll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5717">TS</a>]

01:35:19 ◼   ► them and I didn't want to give you guys [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5719">TS</a>]

01:35:23 ◼   ► any sort of direction about any of this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5723">TS</a>]

01:35:26 ◼   ► so I have answered the question in my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5726">TS</a>]

01:35:30 ◼   ► own way but I don't have to go first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5730">TS</a>]

01:35:33 ◼   ► this time since I was very aggressively [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5733">TS</a>]

01:35:35 ◼   ► first during ask ATP so which one of you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5735">TS</a>]

01:35:37 ◼   ► would like to volunteer to tell each of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5737">TS</a>]

01:35:40 ◼   ► us what cars we should be driving I'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5740">TS</a>]

01:35:43 ◼   ► do it if you want all right Marko feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5743">TS</a>]

01:35:45 ◼   ► free all right this is fairly easy for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5745">TS</a>]

01:35:49 ◼   ► Casey you would have the new m3 period [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5749">TS</a>]

01:35:51 ◼   ► well what's that your criteria is what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5751">TS</a>]

01:35:54 ◼   ► car would I most like to drive I guess [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5754">TS</a>]

01:35:57 ◼   ► yeah my criteria basically I mean if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5757">TS</a>]

01:35:59 ◼   ► we're assuming that like you know I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5759">TS</a>]

01:36:00 ◼   ► don't have to worry about how much these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5760">TS</a>]

01:36:01 ◼   ► cars cost they're just being paid for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5761">TS</a>]

01:36:04 ◼   ► somehow and that I guess get to decide [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5764">TS</a>]

01:36:06 ◼   ► which car you have then my rationale [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5766">TS</a>]

01:36:09 ◼   ► here is which car would you be most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5769">TS</a>]

01:36:12 ◼   ► happy with you know what is the car that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5772">TS</a>]

01:36:15 ◼   ► you should have and so I think it's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5775">TS</a>]

01:36:18 ◼   ► m3 done and John a little bit harder I I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5778">TS</a>]

01:36:24 ◼   ► was kind of thinking maybe the m5 or if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5784">TS</a>]

01:36:28 ◼   ► he doesn't want to go necessary that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5788">TS</a>]

01:36:29 ◼   ► large because I know I know like your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5789">TS</a>]

01:36:31 ◼   ► parking situations a little bit tight [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5791">TS</a>]

01:36:32 ◼   ► over there so I figured maybe you might [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5792">TS</a>]

01:36:36 ◼   ► also go with something in the 3-series [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5796">TS</a>]

01:36:40 ◼   ► range maybe your dad's old 3-series that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5800">TS</a>]

01:36:43 ◼   ► you like but like a faster one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5803">TS</a>]

01:36:44 ◼   ► like like it maybe like the 335 of that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5804">TS</a>]

01:36:46 ◼   ► generation maybe something like that but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5806">TS</a>]

01:36:49 ◼   ► probably just I think John I think my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5809">TS</a>]

01:36:51 ◼   ► answer is actually gonna be just the new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5811">TS</a>]

01:36:53 ◼   ► m5 so new m3 4kc new m5 for John why for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5813">TS</a>]

01:36:57 ◼   ► me I understand your reasoning for KC [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5817">TS</a>]

01:36:58 ◼   ► what's your reasoning for me like why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5818">TS</a>]

01:37:00 ◼   ► are you even picking from BMWs for me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5820">TS</a>]

01:37:01 ◼   ► well I know you wouldn't actually enjoy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5821">TS</a>]

01:37:03 ◼   ► owning a Ferrari I know that you like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5823">TS</a>]

01:37:07 ◼   ► Mercedes but I'm too young to know how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5827">TS</a>]

01:37:10 ◼   ► to select one I went with the brand that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5830">TS</a>]

01:37:15 ◼   ► I know how to use and how to pick from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5835">TS</a>]

01:37:17 ◼   ► that gives you what you want which is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5837">TS</a>]

01:37:20 ◼   ► similar to eylem which is a nice big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5840">TS</a>]

01:37:21 ◼   ► faster damn like you like those and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5841">TS</a>]

01:37:24 ◼   ► know you're not gonna get see here's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5844">TS</a>]

01:37:27 ◼   ► problem though I know you like stick a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5847">TS</a>]

01:37:28 ◼   ► lot and that can't you can't have that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5848">TS</a>]

01:37:30 ◼   ► in stick so maybe I try to find you an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5850">TS</a>]

01:37:33 ◼   ► f10 generation in a stick which they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5853">TS</a>]

01:37:36 ◼   ► probably made like three of those total [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5856">TS</a>]

01:37:38 ◼   ► but maybe that's the right answer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5858">TS</a>]

01:37:41 ◼   ► people didn't like those those stick [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5861">TS</a>]

01:37:42 ◼   ► shifts they said that the manual was not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5862">TS</a>]

01:37:45 ◼   ► very good in that car [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5865">TS</a>]

01:37:46 ◼   ► yeah see this it's it's picking for you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5866">TS</a>]

01:37:48 ◼   ► is very challenging picking for case is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5868">TS</a>]

01:37:51 ◼   ► easy because I know what he wants it so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5871">TS</a>]

01:37:52 ◼   ► it's easy picking for you is is harder [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5872">TS</a>]

01:37:55 ◼   ► but you know I don't think Mercedes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5875">TS</a>]

01:37:56 ◼   ► makes any sticks either that you would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5876">TS</a>]

01:37:58 ◼   ► want but I don't know no yeah I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5878">TS</a>]

01:38:01 ◼   ► know that but I think so I'm gonna stand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5881">TS</a>]

01:38:03 ◼   ► by my answer of the new m5 but with some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5883">TS</a>]

01:38:05 ◼   ► reservations I was proud of KC for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5885">TS</a>]

01:38:08 ◼   ► recognizing what a terrible question [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5888">TS</a>]

01:38:09 ◼   ► this is saying but I don't care and I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5889">TS</a>]

01:38:14 ◼   ► not gonna clarify so let's just all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5894">TS</a>]

01:38:15 ◼   ► interpret the question or however that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5895">TS</a>]

01:38:17 ◼   ► we want this question is terrible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5897">TS</a>]

01:38:19 ◼   ► because it just has no parameters [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5899">TS</a>]

01:38:20 ◼   ► whatsoever oh just to have a little fun [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5900">TS</a>]

01:38:24 ◼   ► it's not useful anyway so if I had to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5904">TS</a>]

01:38:27 ◼   ► pick first I'd have to pick the how to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5907">TS</a>]

01:38:30 ◼   ► interpret this question but I'd say how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5910">TS</a>]

01:38:33 ◼   ► did you interpret the question I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5913">TS</a>]

01:38:35 ◼   ► mostly interpreting as a car I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5915">TS</a>]

01:38:39 ◼   ► that you would enjoy that you wouldn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5919">TS</a>]

01:38:41 ◼   ► buy for yourself it's like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5921">TS</a>]

01:38:42 ◼   ► gift-giving type thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5922">TS</a>]

01:38:43 ◼   ► sure okay I like that interpret um for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5923">TS</a>]

01:38:47 ◼   ► Casey I think I would go with a caiman [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5927">TS</a>]

01:38:50 ◼   ► slash Boxster whichever one comes with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5930">TS</a>]

01:38:52 ◼   ► the sunroof or and or convertible 718 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5932">TS</a>]

01:38:54 ◼   ► whatever the hell it's called now or I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5934">TS</a>]

01:38:56 ◼   ► would actually maybe go with it with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5936">TS</a>]

01:38:59 ◼   ► previous generation that's what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5939">TS</a>]

01:39:00 ◼   ► naturally aspirated because I think you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5940">TS</a>]

01:39:02 ◼   ► would really enjoy a stick-shift caiman [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5942">TS</a>]

01:39:04 ◼   ► because you get that open-air driving [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5944">TS</a>]

01:39:05 ◼   ► experience I think it would be a more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5945">TS</a>]

01:39:07 ◼   ► fun dynamic driving experience than all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5947">TS</a>]

01:39:09 ◼   ► of your like regular car cars and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5949">TS</a>]

01:39:11 ◼   ► just an all-around great car like not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5951">TS</a>]

01:39:13 ◼   ► super - super fast not too super loud [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5953">TS</a>]

01:39:16 ◼   ► not as small and wimpy as a Miata which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5956">TS</a>]

01:39:20 ◼   ► I think you would also enjoy by the way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5960">TS</a>]

01:39:22 ◼   ► I thought I would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5962">TS</a>]

01:39:24 ◼   ► it's like it's like the big boy Miata so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5964">TS</a>]

01:39:25 ◼   ► I would I would go with a caiman [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5965">TS</a>]

01:39:27 ◼   ► I like that choice I drove I probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5967">TS</a>]

01:39:30 ◼   ► told the story maybe on neutral I drove [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5970">TS</a>]

01:39:32 ◼   ► a Boxster S early on in the life time of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5972">TS</a>]

01:39:36 ◼   ► the Boxster's this was circa 2005 maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5976">TS</a>]

01:39:41 ◼   ► 2006 and I think the Box had only been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5981">TS</a>]

01:39:44 ◼   ► out for a couple of years at that point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5984">TS</a>]

01:39:45 ◼   ► I might have these dates wrong but you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5985">TS</a>]

01:39:46 ◼   ► get the idea [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5986">TS</a>]

01:39:47 ◼   ► and I got in that car expecting to hate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5987">TS</a>]

01:39:50 ◼   ► it oh it's a you know poor man's 911 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5990">TS</a>]

01:39:53 ◼   ► it's just garbage this is gonna be crap [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5993">TS</a>]

01:39:56 ◼   ► and I loved it I couldn't believe how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5996">TS</a>]

01:40:00 ◼   ► much I loved it and that was you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6000">TS</a>]

01:40:02 ◼   ► ten plus years ago so I can only imagine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6002">TS</a>]

01:40:04 ◼   ► I came in or you know whatever the new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6004">TS</a>]

01:40:06 ◼   ► Boxster came in like the epic a - the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6006">TS</a>]

01:40:09 ◼   ► the natural have spread one right before [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6009">TS</a>]

01:40:10 ◼   ► they change to 718 it's just an amazing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6010">TS</a>]

01:40:12 ◼   ► all-around balance it's fun a not too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6012">TS</a>]

01:40:15 ◼   ► ridiculous car and you wouldn't buy it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6015">TS</a>]

01:40:16 ◼   ► for yourself because you're like oh I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6016">TS</a>]

01:40:17 ◼   ► gotta have a car that can put car seat [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6017">TS</a>]

01:40:19 ◼   ► in it oh yeah but I feel like with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6019">TS</a>]

01:40:21 ◼   ► giant shoebox thing that you've got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6021">TS</a>]

01:40:23 ◼   ► going on for the whole family it would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6023">TS</a>]

01:40:27 ◼   ► be a nice compromise of like a small [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6027">TS</a>]

01:40:29 ◼   ► small ish fun interesting fast enough to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6029">TS</a>]

01:40:33 ◼   ► be cool open air kind of car nice and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6033">TS</a>]

01:40:36 ◼   ► for Marco from Marco a little bit torn [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6036">TS</a>]

01:40:39 ◼   ► on this my my go-to would say and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6039">TS</a>]

01:40:41 ◼   ► especially if I'm not allowed to pick [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6041">TS</a>]

01:40:43 ◼   ► from like future models because a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6043">TS</a>]

01:40:44 ◼   ► people coming out with cars that I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6044">TS</a>]

01:40:45 ◼   ► you would enjoy more than most of my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6045">TS</a>]

01:40:46 ◼   ► picks because like everyone else all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6046">TS</a>]

01:40:48 ◼   ► other tests the competitors are coming [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6048">TS</a>]

01:40:49 ◼   ► but they're not here yet so I can't pick [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6049">TS</a>]

01:40:51 ◼   ► them agree mom [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6051">TS</a>]

01:40:52 ◼   ► so I would go I would probably shop on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6052">TS</a>]

01:40:56 ◼   ► the Mercedes range because I truly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6056">TS</a>]

01:40:57 ◼   ► continuous ADEs perhaps more than he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6057">TS</a>]

01:41:01 ◼   ► enjoyed his m5 and so I probably go kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6061">TS</a>]

01:41:06 ◼   ► of like what I was I'd pick up myself in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6066">TS</a>]

01:41:07 ◼   ► that preview show like it like an AMG [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6067">TS</a>]

01:41:09 ◼   ► II class if I could find the right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6069">TS</a>]

01:41:11 ◼   ► balance of options and features to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6071">TS</a>]

01:41:13 ◼   ► satisfy and if not believe it or not I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6073">TS</a>]

01:41:15 ◼   ► would probably look at howdy there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6075">TS</a>]

01:41:17 ◼   ► another brand that Marco seems to have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6077">TS</a>]

01:41:18 ◼   ► not wanted to really consider for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6078">TS</a>]

01:41:21 ◼   ► himself but I think there are models in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6081">TS</a>]

01:41:22 ◼   ► that range that he would really enjoy so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6082">TS</a>]

01:41:24 ◼   ► those would be my picks a mid-sized [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6084">TS</a>]

01:41:26 ◼   ► Mercedes and if I can't find the right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6086">TS</a>]

01:41:27 ◼   ► set of options in car in model year I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6087">TS</a>]

01:41:29 ◼   ► would go Abby I think those are good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6089">TS</a>]

01:41:31 ◼   ► choices Marco thoughts it's reasonable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6091">TS</a>]

01:41:34 ◼   ► yeah I mean I haven't driven a Mercedes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6094">TS</a>]

01:41:37 ◼   ► or an Audi in a long time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6097">TS</a>]

01:41:39 ◼   ► when I have driven those cars I have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6099">TS</a>]

01:41:42 ◼   ► been incredibly unimpressed with their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6102">TS</a>]

01:41:45 ◼   ► media and navigation systems but you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6105">TS</a>]

01:41:48 ◼   ► know I would give it a shot and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6108">TS</a>]

01:41:50 ◼   ► thing is wouldn't buy for yourself [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6110">TS</a>]

01:41:52 ◼   ► because you're all electric so basically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6112">TS</a>]

01:41:53 ◼   ► all gas cars are now cars that Marco [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6113">TS</a>]

01:41:55 ◼   ► wouldn't buy for himself there yeah and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6115">TS</a>]

01:41:58 ◼   ► and he had the 1m right so I feel like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6118">TS</a>]

01:42:01 ◼   ► if that was a thing that he still wanted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6121">TS</a>]

01:42:03 ◼   ► he would have gone back to I well but he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6123">TS</a>]

01:42:05 ◼   ► hasn't so that's why I'm picking like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6125">TS</a>]

01:42:07 ◼   ► regular normal size [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6127">TS</a>]

01:42:08 ◼   ► you know mid-sized cars I think those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6128">TS</a>]

01:42:11 ◼   ► are good choices alright so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6131">TS</a>]

01:42:12 ◼   ► interpreted this as what do I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6132">TS</a>]

01:42:15 ◼   ► would be the best fit for my co-host and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6135">TS</a>]

01:42:19 ◼   ► they may or may not buy this but my my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6139">TS</a>]

01:42:21 ◼   ► rule was I couldn't just say like oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6141">TS</a>]

01:42:24 ◼   ► well Marco just wants another Tesla so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6144">TS</a>]

01:42:26 ◼   ► actually thought it was a little easier [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6146">TS</a>]

01:42:29 ◼   ► to pick for John because the options I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6149">TS</a>]

01:42:32 ◼   ► came up with were a new mazda6 which I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6152">TS</a>]

01:42:35 ◼   ► think he would quite like and is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6155">TS</a>]

01:42:39 ◼   ► basically what you already have just a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6159">TS</a>]

01:42:41 ◼   ► different manufacturer and and I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6161">TS</a>]

01:42:43 ◼   ► always thought the mazda6 is with there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6163">TS</a>]

01:42:45 ◼   ► was one really crummy generation which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6165">TS</a>]

01:42:47 ◼   ► is the generation after Aaron so this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6167">TS</a>]

01:42:49 ◼   ► was like late 2000s early early 2010's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6169">TS</a>]

01:42:52 ◼   ► which was not attractive at all but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6172">TS</a>]

01:42:54 ◼   ► every other monster six has always been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6174">TS</a>]

01:42:56 ◼   ► pretty attractive in my eyes and we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6176">TS</a>]

01:42:58 ◼   ► loved Aaron's Mazda 6 who treated us so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6178">TS</a>]

01:43:00 ◼   ► really really well and I think John you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6180">TS</a>]

01:43:01 ◼   ► would like that but the other thing I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6181">TS</a>]

01:43:03 ◼   ► was thinking about even though [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6183">TS</a>]

01:43:07 ◼   ► III really think hatchbacks are dumb [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6187">TS</a>]

01:43:10 ◼   ► sorry Europeans I think would love a GTI [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6190">TS</a>]

01:43:12 ◼   ► I really think you would love a GTI John [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6192">TS</a>]

01:43:15 ◼   ► I think that's definitely a car I would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6195">TS</a>]

01:43:18 ◼   ► not buy for myself [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6198">TS</a>]

01:43:22 ◼   ► but do you like leaving aside the fact [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6202">TS</a>]

01:43:24 ◼   ► that hatchbacks are stupid do you think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6204">TS</a>]

01:43:28 ◼   ► it with a stick I think the main thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6208">TS</a>]

01:43:31 ◼   ► the main thing I would enjoy about a GTI [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6211">TS</a>]

01:43:33 ◼   ► is the small ish size both in length and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6213">TS</a>]

01:43:37 ◼   ► width but they're not as small as they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6217">TS</a>]

01:43:40 ◼   ► used to be and they're definitely not as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6220">TS</a>]

01:43:41 ◼   ► light as they used to be so I'm not sure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6221">TS</a>]

01:43:43 ◼   ► I would get that much enjoyment out of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6223">TS</a>]

01:43:45 ◼   ► it fair enough [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6225">TS</a>]

01:43:46 ◼   ► well those were my picks for for John [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6226">TS</a>]

01:43:48 ◼   ► and obviously the you know the the clear [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6228">TS</a>]

01:43:49 ◼   ► answer was the Ferrari which is like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6229">TS</a>]

01:43:51 ◼   ► Marco said like that would be that would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6231">TS</a>]

01:43:53 ◼   ► actually probably make John more unhappy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6233">TS</a>]

01:43:55 ◼   ► than happy exactly if you again this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6235">TS</a>]

01:43:57 ◼   ► the question is so vague you could say a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6237">TS</a>]

01:44:00 ◼   ► Ferrari and and a mansion with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6240">TS</a>]

01:44:02 ◼   ► heated garage to start in and say fair [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6242">TS</a>]

01:44:06 ◼   ► enough [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6246">TS</a>]

01:44:07 ◼   ► Marco I actually found harder because I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6247">TS</a>]

01:44:09 ◼   ► really do think that the Tesla in in in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6249">TS</a>]

01:44:11 ◼   ► the current iteration of Marco and Marco [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6251">TS</a>]

01:44:13 ◼   ► version 2017 or 2018 I think this is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6253">TS</a>]

01:44:16 ◼   ► the Model S is probably the perfect car [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6256">TS</a>]

01:44:18 ◼   ► for you Marco however if I couldn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6258">TS</a>]

01:44:20 ◼   ► choose that what would I choose and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6260">TS</a>]

01:44:22 ◼   ► obvious answer is a brand new m5 I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6262">TS</a>]

01:44:25 ◼   ► you would quite like that it gives you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6265">TS</a>]

01:44:26 ◼   ► the all-wheel drive that you didn't have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6266">TS</a>]

01:44:28 ◼   ► last for the last iteration it's just as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6268">TS</a>]

01:44:31 ◼   ► quick as your Tesla or Daenerys makes no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6271">TS</a>]

01:44:33 ◼   ► difference if not quicker but then I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6273">TS</a>]

01:44:36 ◼   ► thought okay what are some more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6276">TS</a>]

01:44:37 ◼   ► interesting choices and I thought to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6277">TS</a>]

01:44:40 ◼   ► myself well what about a Prius Prime [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6280">TS</a>]

01:44:42 ◼   ► which is somewhat insulting and I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6282">TS</a>]

01:44:45 ◼   ► mean it to be but my parents have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6285">TS</a>]

01:44:48 ◼   ► Prius Prime which I plug-in Prius and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6288">TS</a>]

01:44:51 ◼   ► is for what it is thinking like what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6291">TS</a>]

01:45:04 ◼   ► would you if you're so bent on electric [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6304">TS</a>]

01:45:06 ◼   ► then then what would I mean I guess the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6306">TS</a>]

01:45:09 ◼   ► Chevy Volt maybe but that seems like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6309">TS</a>]

01:45:13 ◼   ► you're gonna get a much worse electric [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6313">TS</a>]

01:45:16 ◼   ► slash hybrid car than what he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6316">TS</a>]

01:45:18 ◼   ► now that's a bad idea and the Prius [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6318">TS</a>]

01:45:20 ◼   ► Prime is that perhaps the ugliest car on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6320">TS</a>]

01:45:22 ◼   ► the road today [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6322">TS</a>]

01:45:23 ◼   ► none of the Aztec is that function [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6323">TS</a>]

01:45:29 ◼   ► wasn't designed to be a punishment it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6329">TS</a>]

01:45:31 ◼   ► was taking your insistence on having an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6331">TS</a>]

01:45:34 ◼   ► electric car in mind but I don't think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6334">TS</a>]

01:45:37 ◼   ► that's a terribly good answer either I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6337">TS</a>]

01:45:38 ◼   ► was just throwing it out there very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6338">TS</a>]

01:45:39 ◼   ► active conversation and then I thought [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6339">TS</a>]

01:45:42 ◼   ► to myself well let me think about Marco [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6342">TS</a>]

01:45:44 ◼   ► less as a driver but more is just like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6344">TS</a>]

01:45:48 ◼   ► let me think about Marcos personality [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6348">TS</a>]

01:45:50 ◼   ► and disposition Marcos tends to obsess [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6350">TS</a>]

01:45:53 ◼   ► over things and I have this quality in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6353">TS</a>]

01:45:55 ◼   ► me as well so I can recognize it in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6355">TS</a>]

01:45:56 ◼   ► others you know tends to obsess over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6356">TS</a>]

01:45:58 ◼   ► things and get just like really really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6358">TS</a>]

01:46:00 ◼   ► deep into something and just I'm gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6360">TS</a>]

01:46:03 ◼   ► explore it to the to the most extreme [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6363">TS</a>]

01:46:05 ◼   ► depths and I will explore every avenue [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6365">TS</a>]

01:46:08 ◼   ► of it I will know something front to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6368">TS</a>]

01:46:10 ◼   ► back in and out left and right what kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6370">TS</a>]

01:46:13 ◼   ► of car would Marco be able to do that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6373">TS</a>]

01:46:17 ◼   ► sort of thing with you would need a car [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6377">TS</a>]

01:46:19 ◼   ► that's like I don't know like an erector [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6379">TS</a>]

01:46:22 ◼   ► set or like a like a like a Lego set [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6382">TS</a>]

01:46:25 ◼   ► what color I know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6385">TS</a>]

01:46:28 ◼   ► Marco should have a Wrangler because you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6388">TS</a>]

01:46:31 ◼   ► could have 17 different tops you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6391">TS</a>]

01:46:33 ◼   ► have 17 different doors you can have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6393">TS</a>]

01:46:36 ◼   ► six-speed if you want it and you could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6396">TS</a>]

01:46:38 ◼   ► go rock crawling in in the little hills [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6398">TS</a>]

01:46:41 ◼   ► and mountains of New York and you could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6401">TS</a>]

01:46:42 ◼   ► go driving off-road up you know up in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6402">TS</a>]

01:46:45 ◼   ► tips parents house you could do all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6405">TS</a>]

01:46:47 ◼   ► those things you could have different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6407">TS</a>]

01:46:48 ◼   ► winches it's imagine the fun you would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6408">TS</a>]

01:46:50 ◼   ► have Marco figuring out the exact right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6410">TS</a>]

01:46:52 ◼   ► winch you should put on the front of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6412">TS</a>]

01:46:54 ◼   ► that car and getting the is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6414">TS</a>]

01:46:55 ◼   ► extraordinarily expensive winch that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6415">TS</a>]

01:46:58 ◼   ► weighs just 5 pounds left less than the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6418">TS</a>]

01:47:00 ◼   ► one that's half the cost but you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6420">TS</a>]

01:47:02 ◼   ► you're saving that weight and you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6422">TS</a>]

01:47:04 ◼   ► it's better off that way imagine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6424">TS</a>]

01:47:05 ◼   ► deciding exactly how big a gas can you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6425">TS</a>]

01:47:08 ◼   ► want to put on the rear bumper for when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6428">TS</a>]

01:47:10 ◼   ► you're going off-road do you want five [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6430">TS</a>]

01:47:11 ◼   ► five gallons oh no no I think I want six [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6431">TS</a>]

01:47:14 ◼   ► this is like your perfect car it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6434">TS</a>]

01:47:17 ◼   ► nothing but useless decisions that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6437">TS</a>]

01:47:19 ◼   ► can throw oodles of money at this car is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6439">TS</a>]

01:47:22 ◼   ► made for you you're gonna get a Porsche [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6442">TS</a>]

01:47:24 ◼   ► with Doodles of money and useless [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6444">TS</a>]

01:47:27 ◼   ► the Wrangler is like didn't you hear the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6447">TS</a>]

01:47:31 ◼   ► discussion of head burns you can get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6451">TS</a>]

01:47:35 ◼   ► with a hardtop but I know you're not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6455">TS</a>]

01:47:37 ◼   ► going to agree with this but I stand by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6457">TS</a>]

01:47:39 ◼   ► this decision it this is what I get for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6459">TS</a>]

01:47:41 ◼   ► all the mac pro talk I get it I totally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6461">TS</a>]

01:47:44 ◼   ► well done sir [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6464">TS</a>]

01:47:46 ◼   ► I have speechless I you have done it I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6466">TS</a>]

01:47:50 ◼   ► commend you excellent job I know you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6470">TS</a>]

01:47:57 ◼   ► don't have any interest in a Wrangler [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6477">TS</a>]

01:47:58 ◼   ► like I get that but if you just put [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6478">TS</a>]

01:48:00 ◼   ► aside the fact you have no interest in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6480">TS</a>]

01:48:01 ◼   ► the thing I want you to have interested [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6481">TS</a>]

01:48:03 ◼   ► like there's so many ways you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6483">TS</a>]

01:48:05 ◼   ► customize this you could have a soft top [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6485">TS</a>]

01:48:07 ◼   ► you could have a soft top that makes it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6487">TS</a>]

01:48:09 ◼   ► look kind of like a pickup you could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6489">TS</a>]

01:48:11 ◼   ► have a hardtop you could have a hardtop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6491">TS</a>]

01:48:12 ◼   ► with a little convertible section you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6492">TS</a>]

01:48:14 ◼   ► could have a winch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6494">TS</a>]

01:48:15 ◼   ► you could have onboard air inflation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6495">TS</a>]

01:48:18 ◼   ► system you can have different spare tire [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6498">TS</a>]

01:48:21 ◼   ► set up you'll mean all the different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6501">TS</a>]

01:48:23 ◼   ► things you could do to this car oh my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6503">TS</a>]

01:48:25 ◼   ► word I think it's perfect for you but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6505">TS</a>]

01:48:27 ◼   ► anyway the actual answer I have is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6507">TS</a>]

01:48:29 ◼   ► either an m5 or Hardy 63 AMG oh my god [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6509">TS</a>]

01:48:32 ◼   ► like is it possible to make a custom [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6512">TS</a>]

01:48:36 ◼   ► configuration of the Jeep Wrangler that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6516">TS</a>]

01:48:39 ◼   ► I would tolerate and I'm pretty sure the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6519">TS</a>]

01:48:41 ◼   ► answer is no I don't I don't think you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6521">TS</a>]

01:48:44 ◼   ► do it I challenge you to try I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6524">TS</a>]

01:48:46 ◼   ► think it's possible I think the problem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6526">TS</a>]

01:48:50 ◼   ► is what I really want is like a Wrangler [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6530">TS</a>]

01:48:51 ◼   ► equivalent that's a sedan that's like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6531">TS</a>]

01:48:54 ◼   ► go-fast again you know something where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6534">TS</a>]

01:48:55 ◼   ► you could mess with the tops and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6535">TS</a>]

01:48:57 ◼   ► could have I mean you could put [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6537">TS</a>]

01:48:58 ◼   ► different wheels on any car but like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6538">TS</a>]

01:49:00 ◼   ► really stand by that you would just get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6540">TS</a>]

01:49:03 ◼   ► wrapped around the axle but I'm wrapped [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6543">TS</a>]

01:49:06 ◼   ► around the axle with all these different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6546">TS</a>]

01:49:08 ◼   ► decisions you can make in all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6548">TS</a>]

01:49:09 ◼   ► different tweaks you can make like this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6549">TS</a>]

01:49:10 ◼   ► is why I think and I feel I get I would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6550">TS</a>]

01:49:13 ◼   ► guess that you and I would enjoy camping [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6553">TS</a>]

01:49:15 ◼   ► an equivalent amount and the difference [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6555">TS</a>]

01:49:16 ◼   ► is you've actually gone camping and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6556">TS</a>]

01:49:18 ◼   ► have not but that's a similar thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6558">TS</a>]

01:49:20 ◼   ► where I could see really either of us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6560">TS</a>]

01:49:22 ◼   ► all these things I'm really just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6562">TS</a>]

01:49:23 ◼   ► projecting onto you well I could see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6563">TS</a>]

01:49:25 ◼   ► either of us obsessing over well the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6565">TS</a>]

01:49:28 ◼   ► aluminum spoon in fork and knife set [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6568">TS</a>]

01:49:30 ◼   ► ways one else but the titanium spoon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6570">TS</a>]

01:49:33 ◼   ► fork and knife set weighs a half an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6573">TS</a>]

01:49:35 ◼   ► ounce and even though it's literally ten [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6575">TS</a>]

01:49:37 ◼   ► times the cost that half an ounce in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6577">TS</a>]

01:49:39 ◼   ► aggregate and aggregate adds up like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6579">TS</a>]

01:49:41 ◼   ► it's the same sort of thing right like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6581">TS</a>]

01:49:43 ◼   ► could see you going or me going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6583">TS</a>]

01:49:44 ◼   ► ridiculous about camping equipment in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6584">TS</a>]

01:49:46 ◼   ► the same way I could see you or me going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6586">TS</a>]

01:49:48 ◼   ► ridiculous with your Tinkertoys Wrangler [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6588">TS</a>]

01:49:51 ◼   ► so you forgot to expand our silly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6591">TS</a>]

01:49:54 ◼   ► unconfined question to say okay Marco [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6594">TS</a>]

01:49:57 ◼   ► all of a sudden you live in the middle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6597">TS</a>]

01:49:59 ◼   ► of nowhere there are no paved roads to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6599">TS</a>]

01:50:01 ◼   ► your house and you have like hundreds of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6601">TS</a>]

01:50:05 ◼   ► acres that you have to patrol to hunt [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6605">TS</a>]

01:50:07 ◼   ► for your own food then all of a sudden [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6607">TS</a>]

01:50:08 ◼   ► mark was interested in a jeep wrangler [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6608">TS</a>]

01:50:10 ◼   ► because he has a reason you know a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6610">TS</a>]

01:50:14 ◼   ► pretty good off-road easy to get into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6614">TS</a>]

01:50:17 ◼   ► and out of four-wheel drive vehicle to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6617">TS</a>]

01:50:20 ◼   ► wander around his property with and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6620">TS</a>]

01:50:22 ◼   ► we can you know get out when he needs to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6622">TS</a>]

01:50:24 ◼   ► get to the hospital fifty miles away you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6624">TS</a>]

01:50:27 ◼   ► can construct a scenario which Marco [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6627">TS</a>]

01:50:29 ◼   ► would want a Jeep Wrangler but the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6629">TS</a>]

01:50:31 ◼   ► scenario where he lives now is not it no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6631">TS</a>]

01:50:33 ◼   ► not even close do you know you're not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6633">TS</a>]

01:50:36 ◼   ► you're not picking up what I'm putting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6636">TS</a>]

01:50:37 ◼   ► down on this one are you surprised by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6637">TS</a>]

01:50:40 ◼   ► that no I'm not can we at least concede [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6640">TS</a>]

01:50:44 ◼   ► though can you at least concede that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6644">TS</a>]

01:50:46 ◼   ► can see that the tweak enos of it that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6646">TS</a>]

01:50:48 ◼   ► you can just just dial it in just right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6648">TS</a>]

01:50:50 ◼   ► like don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6650">TS</a>]

01:50:51 ◼   ► I concede nothing come on I completely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6651">TS</a>]

01:50:54 ◼   ► disagree because it's tweaking a bunch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6654">TS</a>]

01:50:57 ◼   ► of things that I don't care about it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6657">TS</a>]

01:50:59 ◼   ► like no matter what you tweak about that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6659">TS</a>]

01:51:02 ◼   ► build I still don't want it and never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6662">TS</a>]

01:51:04 ◼   ► will like you can like it's like asking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6664">TS</a>]

01:51:08 ◼   ► me like how do I want to set the EQ for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6668">TS</a>]

01:51:10 ◼   ► my day of Matthews Band I can take a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6670">TS</a>]

01:51:14 ◼   ► of things look I can I love it I could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6674">TS</a>]

01:51:16 ◼   ► take a lot of the EQ that's how you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6676">TS</a>]

01:51:18 ◼   ► every band - 90 decibels that's how I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6678">TS</a>]

01:51:23 ◼   ► would set it I was proud of my response [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6683">TS</a>]

01:51:26 ◼   ► dammit then I stand by it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6686">TS</a>]

01:51:27 ◼   ► but that's okay stick with the m5 that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6687">TS</a>]

01:51:30 ◼   ► was a good response [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6690">TS</a>]

01:51:30 ◼   ► was a good response [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6690">TS</a>]

00:00:00 ◼   ► I kind of feel like I should have just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/0">TS</a>]

00:00:01 ◼   ► left TIFF here and left the show because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1">TS</a>]

00:00:03 ◼   ► we had so much awesome feedback about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3">TS</a>]

00:00:05 ◼   ► how not only how great she was but how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5">TS</a>]

00:00:07 ◼   ► much better she was than me but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/7">TS</a>]

00:00:11 ◼   ► unfortunately you guys are stuck with me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/11">TS</a>]

00:00:12 ◼   ► this week all right let's start with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/12">TS</a>]

00:00:15 ◼   ► some follow-up and Bradley Davis writes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/15">TS</a>]

00:00:17 ◼   ► in with regard to hard to hit up/down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/17">TS</a>]

00:00:19 ◼   ► arrow keys on the new MacBook Pros the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/19">TS</a>]

00:00:22 ◼   ► bottom hero of the new MacBooks is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/22">TS</a>]

00:00:23 ◼   ► shorter than the previous generation the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/23">TS</a>]

00:00:25 ◼   ► bottom really used to be taller than all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/25">TS</a>]

00:00:26 ◼   ► the other rows now it's the same height [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/26">TS</a>]

00:00:28 ◼   ► huge loss in my opinion especially as a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/28">TS</a>]

00:00:30 ◼   ► programmer who uses modifier keys more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/30">TS</a>]

00:00:31 ◼   ► than your average person I didn't even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/31">TS</a>]

00:00:34 ◼   ► believe this so I measured it at work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/34">TS</a>]

00:00:35 ◼   ► and he is totally right did you guys [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/35">TS</a>]

00:00:37 ◼   ► both realize that in the right up until [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/37">TS</a>]

00:00:40 ◼   ► the 2016-2017 on the MacBook Pros the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/40">TS</a>]

00:00:43 ◼   ► like the spacebar and that whole row was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/43">TS</a>]

00:00:45 ◼   ► taller than all the other rows of keys [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/45">TS</a>]

00:00:46 ◼   ► nope I know I'm curious hold on I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/46">TS</a>]

00:00:51 ◼   ► thought it's plausible but it can't be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/51">TS</a>]

00:00:53 ◼   ► that much bigger so I measured it it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/53">TS</a>]

00:00:54 ◼   ► it's appreciably bigger you can you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/54">TS</a>]

00:00:56 ◼   ► I didn't have I was using the side of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/56">TS</a>]

00:00:58 ◼   ► credit card or whatever but you can you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/58">TS</a>]

00:00:59 ◼   ► know get a ruler and see how much bigger [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/59">TS</a>]

00:01:01 ◼   ► it's but it's at least like 5% bigger I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/61">TS</a>]

00:01:03 ◼   ► don't know if I believe let me get out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/63">TS</a>]

00:01:05 ◼   ► my behemoth of Oracle so while you guys [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/65">TS</a>]

00:01:07 ◼   ► get out things to measure the reason [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/67">TS</a>]

00:01:09 ◼   ► this is relevant is not so much that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/69">TS</a>]

00:01:10 ◼   ► it's hard or actually but are we getting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/70">TS</a>]

00:01:12 ◼   ► out to measure I'm getting at a digital [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/72">TS</a>]

00:01:14 ◼   ► caliper what are you getting at to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/74">TS</a>]

00:01:15 ◼   ► measure nevermind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/75">TS</a>]

00:01:16 ◼   ► wow this look a little bit taller it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/76">TS</a>]

00:01:19 ◼   ► so they're saying the reason it makes a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/79">TS</a>]

00:01:22 ◼   ► difference is not because it's easier to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/82">TS</a>]

00:01:24 ◼   ► hit the spacebar or the command key or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/84">TS</a>]

00:01:25 ◼   ► anything but because the arrow keys oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/85">TS</a>]

00:01:27 ◼   ► yeah it's a huge difference the up and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/87">TS</a>]

00:01:29 ◼   ► down our keys are jammed into a single [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/89">TS</a>]

00:01:31 ◼   ► key space and I was complaining it I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/91">TS</a>]

00:01:32 ◼   ► felt that was a little bit harder to hit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/92">TS</a>]

00:01:33 ◼   ► the up figure out the up and down arrow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/93">TS</a>]

00:01:35 ◼   ► keys and the new MacBook Pros even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/95">TS</a>]

00:01:37 ◼   ► though it's like the same layout it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/97">TS</a>]

00:01:38 ◼   ► the same layout but the with taller keys [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/98">TS</a>]

00:01:41 ◼   ► each half the top half and the bottom [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/101">TS</a>]

00:01:42 ◼   ► half are bigger so it makes a difference [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/102">TS</a>]

00:01:45 ◼   ► particularly for the arrow keys yeah so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/105">TS</a>]

00:01:46 ◼   ► the height of the command key my 2015 is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/106">TS</a>]

00:01:48 ◼   ► 17 point 8 millimeters and then the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/108">TS</a>]

00:01:51 ◼   ► height of the keys and the row above it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/111">TS</a>]

00:01:52 ◼   ► are only 15 point 2 that's surprising by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/112">TS</a>]

00:01:56 ◼   ► the way only tangentially related if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/116">TS</a>]

00:01:58 ◼   ► ever have a longing for the 17-inch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/118">TS</a>]

00:02:02 ◼   ► MacBook Pro which I always thought was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/122">TS</a>]

00:02:03 ◼   ► just hilariously stupid but I know that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/123">TS</a>]

00:02:06 ◼   ► there are people that love it I do not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/126">TS</a>]

00:02:07 ◼   ► need to hear from you I'm just saying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/127">TS</a>]

00:02:09 ◼   ► it's not for me anyway if you ever want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/129">TS</a>]

00:02:11 ◼   ► to make your 15-inch feel like a 17 inch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/131">TS</a>]

00:02:13 ◼   ► from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/133">TS</a>]

00:02:13 ◼   ► you know the days of the past spend a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/133">TS</a>]

00:02:16 ◼   ► couple of months using exclusively [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/136">TS</a>]

00:02:18 ◼   ► either a 27-inch iMac or a more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/138">TS</a>]

00:02:21 ◼   ► importantly a 12-inch MacBook adorable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/141">TS</a>]

00:02:24 ◼   ► and then bust out your work 15-inch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/144">TS</a>]

00:02:26 ◼   ► MacBook for the first time in two months [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/146">TS</a>]

00:02:28 ◼   ► holy monkey that thing is enormous it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/148">TS</a>]

00:02:31 ◼   ► just gigantic compared to the little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/151">TS</a>]

00:02:35 ◼   ► MacBook adorable that I'm used to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/155">TS</a>]

00:02:36 ◼   ► well I'll tell you what I mean like like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/156">TS</a>]

00:02:38 ◼   ► even you know during during my great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/158">TS</a>]

00:02:40 ◼   ► laptop shuffle of 2016-2017 when I for a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/160">TS</a>]

00:02:45 ◼   ► while there owned the 13-inch MacBook [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/165">TS</a>]

00:02:47 ◼   ► escape that that to me is a it's such a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/167">TS</a>]

00:02:50 ◼   ► great size and I and I do intend to go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/170">TS</a>]

00:02:52 ◼   ► back to that probably in the next [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/172">TS</a>]

00:02:53 ◼   ► generation whatever comes out but when I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/173">TS</a>]

00:02:56 ◼   ► was using that even after years of using [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/176">TS</a>]

00:02:58 ◼   ► 15 inches a lot of the time I would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/178">TS</a>]

00:03:01 ◼   ► occasionally see a 15-inch out in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/181">TS</a>]

00:03:03 ◼   ► world and it would it would look crazy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/183">TS</a>]

00:03:05 ◼   ► to me even the brand-new like the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/185">TS</a>]

00:03:07 ◼   ► current generation ones that are better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/187">TS</a>]

00:03:08 ◼   ► you know a little more compact in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/188">TS</a>]

00:03:10 ◼   ► old ones once you're used to whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/190">TS</a>]

00:03:12 ◼   ► size you're used to anything above it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/192">TS</a>]

00:03:15 ◼   ► looks like a monster good but you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/195">TS</a>]

00:03:17 ◼   ► by comparison yeah it it's started [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/197">TS</a>]

00:03:21 ◼   ► striking the difference but that's okay [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/201">TS</a>]

00:03:23 ◼   ► but today I did a half day at work from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/203">TS</a>]

00:03:25 ◼   ► for the first time since January ah half [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/205">TS</a>]

00:03:28 ◼   ► congratulations yeah I was speaking of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/208">TS</a>]

00:03:31 ◼   ► work in giant laptops I you I had my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/211">TS</a>]

00:03:35 ◼   ► 15-inch 2017 MacBook Pro at about 85% [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/215">TS</a>]

00:03:39 ◼   ► charge and I did a one-hour meeting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/219">TS</a>]

00:03:43 ◼   ► where I projected during the meeting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/223">TS</a>]

00:03:45 ◼   ► dream my whole battery the machine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/225">TS</a>]

00:03:47 ◼   ► shutdown Wow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/227">TS</a>]

00:03:49 ◼   ► I watched it go down the whole medium [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/229">TS</a>]

00:03:51 ◼   ► its WebEx the magic of WebEx like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/231">TS</a>]

00:03:55 ◼   ► single one-hour meeting from 85 percent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/235">TS</a>]

00:03:57 ◼   ► to basically you can no longer wear in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/237">TS</a>]

00:03:59 ◼   ► your computer sorry off yeah because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/239">TS</a>]

00:04:01 ◼   ► that's you say WebEx is I don't I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/241">TS</a>]

00:04:03 ◼   ► never used WebEx but I I assume it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/243">TS</a>]

00:04:05 ◼   ► pretty inefficient on the CPU right we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/245">TS</a>]

00:04:07 ◼   ► need to have a special episode where we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/247">TS</a>]

00:04:08 ◼   ► just make Marco use all software and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/248">TS</a>]

00:04:11 ◼   ► then I would imagine too that you but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/251">TS</a>]

00:04:15 ◼   ► that you were plugged in you said to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/255">TS</a>]

00:04:16 ◼   ► you're projecting I was so that dooms [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/256">TS</a>]

00:04:19 ◼   ► the discrete GPU was forced on the whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/259">TS</a>]

00:04:21 ◼   ► time and so it was basically as if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/261">TS</a>]

00:04:23 ◼   ► were playing a game and like playing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/263">TS</a>]

00:04:25 ◼   ► your GPUs on your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/265">TS</a>]

00:04:27 ◼   ► CPU is probably being maxed out because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/267">TS</a>]

00:04:29 ◼   ► it sounds like the software is terrible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/269">TS</a>]

00:04:30 ◼   ► so yeah that's gonna be about one hour [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/270">TS</a>]

00:04:32 ◼   ► battery life it was bad you know I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/272">TS</a>]

00:04:36 ◼   ► the most popular advertisements that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/276">TS</a>]

00:04:38 ◼   ► we've ever run on this show were the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/278">TS</a>]

00:04:39 ◼   ► ones that cards against Mandy did where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/279">TS</a>]

00:04:41 ◼   ► we where John was forced to try a new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/281">TS</a>]

00:04:43 ◼   ► usually garbage toaster each week I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/283">TS</a>]

00:04:46 ◼   ► think it is possible if the cards [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/286">TS</a>]

00:04:50 ◼   ► against humanity' folks are listening [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/290">TS</a>]

00:04:51 ◼   ► that making Marco use some piece of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/291">TS</a>]

00:04:54 ◼   ► enterprise grade software once for a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/294">TS</a>]

00:04:57 ◼   ► once per ad that might be an even more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/297">TS</a>]

00:05:00 ◼   ► popular even better segment because it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/300">TS</a>]

00:05:03 ◼   ► would be magical you would probably quit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/303">TS</a>]

00:05:06 ◼   ► the show just from just from being near [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/306">TS</a>]

00:05:09 ◼   ► enterprise these sort of things that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/309">TS</a>]

00:05:11 ◼   ► John and I have to deal with every day [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/311">TS</a>]

00:05:12 ◼   ► yeah I would I would make a switch to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/312">TS</a>]

00:05:14 ◼   ► patreon the trick is though that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/314">TS</a>]

00:05:17 ◼   ► have to be forced to use them like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/317">TS</a>]

00:05:20 ◼   ► they're mandated by the company or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/320">TS</a>]

00:05:21 ◼   ► because you have to like teleconference [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/321">TS</a>]

00:05:23 ◼   ► so you need to use the only approved [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/323">TS</a>]

00:05:24 ◼   ► teleconference offer that you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/324">TS</a>]

00:05:25 ◼   ► everybody has right that's the part of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/325">TS</a>]

00:05:27 ◼   ► its not just using the software it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/327">TS</a>]

00:05:29 ◼   ► that you have two toasters kind of work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/329">TS</a>]

00:05:30 ◼   ► because like I maybe I'll be making [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/330">TS</a>]

00:05:32 ◼   ► toast anyway but there's no way Marco is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/332">TS</a>]

00:05:34 ◼   ► going to even be doing the things that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/334">TS</a>]

00:05:35 ◼   ► these that's true programs you know are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/335">TS</a>]

00:05:37 ◼   ► made to do let alone being forced to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/337">TS</a>]

00:05:39 ◼   ► them are to be Kendall writes in if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/339">TS</a>]

00:05:42 ◼   ► think the MacBooks arrowkey setup is bad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/342">TS</a>]

00:05:44 ◼   ► check Dells recipe for annoyance and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/344">TS</a>]

00:05:46 ◼   ► there's a link included so imagine the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/346">TS</a>]

00:05:49 ◼   ► same arrow key setup that we have in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/349">TS</a>]

00:05:53 ◼   ► brand-new MacBook Pros but just for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/353">TS</a>]

00:05:55 ◼   ► funsies let's put page up and page down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/355">TS</a>]

00:05:58 ◼   ► in the dead space between so I'm sorry I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/358">TS</a>]

00:06:01 ◼   ► guess it's not like a new MacBook Pros [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/361">TS</a>]

00:06:02 ◼   ► like the previous MacBook Pros and we'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/362">TS</a>]

00:06:03 ◼   ► put a page up and page down in the dead [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/363">TS</a>]

00:06:05 ◼   ► space to the left and right of the up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/365">TS</a>]

00:06:07 ◼   ► arrow key so if you're looking at it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/367">TS</a>]

00:06:09 ◼   ► it's page up and then below that is left [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/369">TS</a>]

00:06:12 ◼   ► up and down page down and below that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/372">TS</a>]

00:06:15 ◼   ► right it looks horrible I'm sure if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/375">TS</a>]

00:06:18 ◼   ► get used to it it's convenient but oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/378">TS</a>]

00:06:19 ◼   ► man it does not look it's not because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/379">TS</a>]

00:06:22 ◼   ► like if you accidentally hit like see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/382">TS</a>]

00:06:24 ◼   ► it's above the arrow keys right so if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/384">TS</a>]

00:06:26 ◼   ► you accidentally hit the wrong key [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/386">TS</a>]

00:06:27 ◼   ► trying to go for left you don't go more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/387">TS</a>]

00:06:29 ◼   ► left you go page up which is totally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/389">TS</a>]

00:06:32 ◼   ► unrelated to left but that's the key [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/392">TS</a>]

00:06:35 ◼   ► that's near there so I would never want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/395">TS</a>]

00:06:37 ◼   ► to like fumble tooth and and what if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/397">TS</a>]

00:06:39 ◼   ► didn't notice you fumble it and then you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/399">TS</a>]

00:06:40 ◼   ► like didn't think you actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/400">TS</a>]

00:06:41 ◼   ► so you hit left arrow you've done left [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/401">TS</a>]

00:06:43 ◼   ► one character or whatever but you don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/403">TS</a>]

00:06:45 ◼   ► realize you're a page up from where you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/405">TS</a>]

00:06:46 ◼   ► were and it's just well it's really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/406">TS</a>]

00:06:48 ◼   ► terrible and they also overlook [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/408">TS</a>]

00:06:50 ◼   ► brightness the up and down arrow keys [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/410">TS</a>]

00:06:51 ◼   ► what I'm assuming that's a modifier [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/411">TS</a>]

00:06:52 ◼   ► thing but it'd be kind of funny if it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/412">TS</a>]

00:06:54 ◼   ► wasn't like every time gonna move the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/414">TS</a>]

00:06:56 ◼   ► cursor up you get a little brighter you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/416">TS</a>]

00:06:59 ◼   ► can keep moving down the document but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/419">TS</a>]

00:07:00 ◼   ► eventually you can't see it anymore [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/420">TS</a>]

00:07:03 ◼   ► no this this like I feel like and part [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/423">TS</a>]

00:07:07 ◼   ► of the reason and I swear I'm not gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/427">TS</a>]

00:07:08 ◼   ► make this all about apples dumb laptop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/428">TS</a>]

00:07:09 ◼   ► keyboards but part of the reason why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/429">TS</a>]

00:07:11 ◼   ► Apple's keyboard design offenses bother [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/431">TS</a>]

00:07:15 ◼   ► me so much is because we have it so good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/435">TS</a>]

00:07:16 ◼   ► in Apple and that usually their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/436">TS</a>]

00:07:18 ◼   ► keyboards don't have horrendous flaws [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/438">TS</a>]

00:07:19 ◼   ► and if you look over in the PC land like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/439">TS</a>]

00:07:21 ◼   ► I mean you can get a ton of really nice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/441">TS</a>]

00:07:25 ◼   ► PC desktop keyboards but once you get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/445">TS</a>]

00:07:29 ◼   ► into laptops especially a mass-market [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/449">TS</a>]

00:07:31 ◼   ► laptops especially small laptops you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/451">TS</a>]

00:07:33 ◼   ► know like you can get the big gamer ones [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/453">TS</a>]

00:07:35 ◼   ► that have the built-in mechanical key [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/455">TS</a>]

00:07:36 ◼   ► switches but like once you get down to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/456">TS</a>]

00:07:37 ◼   ► like Nats market small laptops PC [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/457">TS</a>]

00:07:41 ◼   ► designs are all over the place and have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/461">TS</a>]

00:07:44 ◼   ► horrendous bad design choices about as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/464">TS</a>]

00:07:47 ◼   ► often as the worst of Apple you know we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/467">TS</a>]

00:07:50 ◼   ► just we normally are not seeing this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/470">TS</a>]

00:07:52 ◼   ► from Apple land because we don't buy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/472">TS</a>]

00:07:54 ◼   ► these things and so if we're kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/474">TS</a>]

00:07:56 ◼   ► spoiled that like when Apple does have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/476">TS</a>]

00:07:58 ◼   ► generation where they really stood [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/478">TS</a>]

00:07:59 ◼   ► really terrible keyboard like our heads [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/479">TS</a>]

00:08:01 ◼   ► explode because we can't take it whereas [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/481">TS</a>]

00:08:04 ◼   ► like on the PC side this is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/484">TS</a>]

00:08:06 ◼   ► commonplace occurrence it's it's that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/486">TS</a>]

00:08:09 ◼   ► time so now I have a question you are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/489">TS</a>]

00:08:11 ◼   ► there in mark oh you wouldn't know this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/491">TS</a>]

00:08:13 ◼   ► but maybe John would are there like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/493">TS</a>]

00:08:15 ◼   ► rabid Dell fanboys on the way there were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/495">TS</a>]

00:08:17 ◼   ► like five ten years ago because you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/497">TS</a>]

00:08:19 ◼   ► how like there were the Apple fanboys [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/499">TS</a>]

00:08:22 ◼   ► like well us and then there were all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/502">TS</a>]

00:08:24 ◼   ► people on the PC side they were all like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/504">TS</a>]

00:08:26 ◼   ► devout Dell people and I feel like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/506">TS</a>]

00:08:28 ◼   ► haven't run into any of them in years do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/508">TS</a>]

00:08:32 ◼   ► they still exist I've never met someone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/512">TS</a>]

00:08:34 ◼   ► who's super into Dell we all know that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/514">TS</a>]

00:08:36 ◼   ► there are people who love ThinkPads I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/516">TS</a>]

00:08:37 ◼   ► mean in case you're one of them oh yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/517">TS</a>]

00:08:40 ◼   ► and let me think I mean obviously this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/520">TS</a>]

00:08:42 ◼   ► this enthusiasm for the specialty brands [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/522">TS</a>]

00:08:44 ◼   ► like Alienware or Asus or even for you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/524">TS</a>]

00:08:47 ◼   ► know gaming focused stuff but Dell or HP [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/527">TS</a>]

00:08:50 ◼   ► I mean the closest I can get to that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/530">TS</a>]

00:08:52 ◼   ► I think there was a lot of brand loyalty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/532">TS</a>]

00:08:54 ◼   ► behind gateway 2000 yeah back when they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/534">TS</a>]

00:08:56 ◼   ► had the cow boxes and B and before it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/536">TS</a>]

00:08:58 ◼   ► was 2000 but that was my first computer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/538">TS</a>]

00:09:00 ◼   ► same but that but that was more of like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/540">TS</a>]

00:09:02 ◼   ► a mainstream thing and not like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/542">TS</a>]

00:09:03 ◼   ► computer enthusiasts thing but if there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/543">TS</a>]

00:09:05 ◼   ► are Dell enthusiasts I have not run [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/545">TS</a>]

00:09:06 ◼   ► across their path like my brother-in-law [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/546">TS</a>]

00:09:08 ◼   ► for example was a huge Dale enthusiast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/548">TS</a>]

00:09:10 ◼   ► as much as one can be up until a few [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/550">TS</a>]

00:09:13 ◼   ► years ago and then he started buying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/553">TS</a>]

00:09:15 ◼   ► surfaces surface or things I don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/555">TS</a>]

00:09:18 ◼   ► whatever and he's been really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/558">TS</a>]

00:09:20 ◼   ► enthusiastic about those ever since but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/560">TS</a>]

00:09:22 ◼   ► and maybe that's what they did is all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/562">TS</a>]

00:09:23 ◼   ► the Dell people went and bought surfaces [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/563">TS</a>]

00:09:25 ◼   ► but I know I just had occurred to me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/565">TS</a>]

00:09:26 ◼   ► that I haven't seen anyone that's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/566">TS</a>]

00:09:28 ◼   ► really amped for Dell in a long time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/568">TS</a>]

00:09:30 ◼   ► anyway [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/570">TS</a>]

00:09:31 ◼   ► and our final bit of follow up just a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/571">TS</a>]

00:09:33 ◼   ► small anecdote from the kitchen in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/573">TS</a>]

00:09:36 ◼   ► list household earlier tonight we were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/576">TS</a>]

00:09:38 ◼   ► Aaron was making dinner and I was doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/578">TS</a>]

00:09:41 ◼   ► something with with Declan and oh I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/581">TS</a>]

00:09:44 ◼   ► I I was walking around carrying Michaela [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/584">TS</a>]

00:09:47 ◼   ► in a little carrier on my chest and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/587">TS</a>]

00:09:50 ◼   ► multitasking and playing breath of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/590">TS</a>]

00:09:51 ◼   ► wild at the same time because I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/591">TS</a>]

00:09:53 ◼   ► started to pick that up again and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/593">TS</a>]

00:09:55 ◼   ► Declan caught wind of what I was doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/595">TS</a>]

00:09:57 ◼   ► and he was like oh I want to watch and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/597">TS</a>]

00:09:58 ◼   ► we don't really like giving Declan a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/598">TS</a>]

00:10:00 ◼   ► whole ton of screen time if we can avoid [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/600">TS</a>]

00:10:02 ◼   ► it so what I decided to do was set a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/602">TS</a>]

00:10:04 ◼   ► timer for myself and remind me not to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/604">TS</a>]

00:10:08 ◼   ► play Zelda for more than like five or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/608">TS</a>]

00:10:10 ◼   ► ten minutes while Declan was watching [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/610">TS</a>]

00:10:11 ◼   ► and I was just gonna put it away this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/611">TS</a>]

00:10:13 ◼   ► a hell of a multitask yeah well you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/613">TS</a>]

00:10:15 ◼   ► I do what I can so so I asked the lady [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/615">TS</a>]

00:10:18 ◼   ► in a tube to remind me to stop playing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/618">TS</a>]

00:10:21 ◼   ► Zelda in five minutes or something like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/621">TS</a>]

00:10:23 ◼   ► that and I think the key is that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/623">TS</a>]

00:10:24 ◼   ► phrased it with remind which I'm not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/624">TS</a>]

00:10:26 ◼   ► sure why I did that but that's what I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/626">TS</a>]

00:10:28 ◼   ► did and she got really really confused [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/628">TS</a>]

00:10:30 ◼   ► and apparently there's like a whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/630">TS</a>]

00:10:32 ◼   ► different reminders versus timers setup [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/632">TS</a>]

00:10:36 ◼   ► which makes sense but I'd never you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/636">TS</a>]

00:10:38 ◼   ► experienced this in my week in a day [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/638">TS</a>]

00:10:40 ◼   ► with you know a lady in a tube in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/640">TS</a>]

00:10:42 ◼   ► house so anyway so I'm like going back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/642">TS</a>]

00:10:44 ◼   ► and forth with with the echo trying to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/644">TS</a>]

00:10:46 ◼   ► get it to just set what amounts it to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/646">TS</a>]

00:10:48 ◼   ► like a five minute timer and I'm you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/648">TS</a>]

00:10:51 ◼   ► know this was my fault I phrased it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/651">TS</a>]

00:10:52 ◼   ► poorly no big deal but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/652">TS</a>]

00:10:54 ◼   ► what was funny was from the kitchen I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/654">TS</a>]

00:10:56 ◼   ► hear Aaron say something along the lines [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/656">TS</a>]

00:10:58 ◼   ► of oh come on Siri get your act together [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/658">TS</a>]

00:11:01 ◼   ► knowing full well I was talking to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/661">TS</a>]

00:11:03 ◼   ► echo so here it was that she was using [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/663">TS</a>]

00:11:06 ◼   ► like she was she was calling the echo [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/666">TS</a>]

00:11:09 ◼   ► Siri as a not derogatory the sun--the or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/669">TS</a>]

00:11:12 ◼   ► what I'm looking for but like as a like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/672">TS</a>]

00:11:14 ◼   ► a put-down you know like she was saying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/674">TS</a>]

00:11:16 ◼   ► oh this is reminding me of how terrible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/676">TS</a>]

00:11:19 ◼   ► Syria's in so many words [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/679">TS</a>]

00:11:20 ◼   ► and I thought that was kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/680">TS</a>]

00:11:22 ◼   ► interesting because Aaron is the most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/682">TS</a>]

00:11:25 ◼   ► normal person in the list household by a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/685">TS</a>]

00:11:27 ◼   ► far margin and so it was interesting to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/687">TS</a>]

00:11:30 ◼   ► me to see her kind of associate and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/690">TS</a>]

00:11:32 ◼   ► equate a crummy voice experience with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/692">TS</a>]

00:11:36 ◼   ► Siri because you know early on I thought [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/696">TS</a>]

00:11:39 ◼   ► that and I was reflecting on this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/699">TS</a>]

00:11:41 ◼   ► briefly on Twitter earlier early on I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/701">TS</a>]

00:11:43 ◼   ► actually thought Siri was extremely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/703">TS</a>]

00:11:45 ◼   ► impressive like like the first year - I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/705">TS</a>]

00:11:47 ◼   ► thought Siri was really good and then it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/707">TS</a>]

00:11:49 ◼   ► seemed like everyone else started to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/709">TS</a>]

00:11:51 ◼   ► either create their own voices [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/711">TS</a>]

00:11:52 ◼   ► assistance or make their own voice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/712">TS</a>]

00:11:55 ◼   ► assistance really a whole lot better and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/715">TS</a>]

00:11:57 ◼   ► ever since the first year or two when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/717">TS</a>]

00:12:00 ◼   ► series brand new I've really been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/720">TS</a>]

00:12:02 ◼   ► unimpressed as we've talked about on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/722">TS</a>]

00:12:03 ◼   ► show more than once and as we've used [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/723">TS</a>]

00:12:06 ◼   ► the echo for more and more things I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/726">TS</a>]

00:12:08 ◼   ► been more more impressed by it so a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/728">TS</a>]

00:12:09 ◼   ► silly example of that we were listening [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/729">TS</a>]

00:12:12 ◼   ► to vinyl we were listening to the album [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/732">TS</a>]

00:12:13 ◼   ► thriller the terrible song the girl is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/733">TS</a>]

00:12:16 ◼   ► mine came on which is a collaboration [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/736">TS</a>]

00:12:18 ◼   ► between McCartney and Jackson and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/738">TS</a>]

00:12:20 ◼   ► asked I asked the lady a tube something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/740">TS</a>]

00:12:23 ◼   ► along the lines of how much older is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/743">TS</a>]

00:12:25 ◼   ► Michael jack all right I'm sorry it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/745">TS</a>]

00:12:27 ◼   ► Paul McCartney the Michael Jackson and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/747">TS</a>]

00:12:28 ◼   ► she knew exactly what I was talking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/748">TS</a>]

00:12:30 ◼   ► about and gave me the answer and I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/750">TS</a>]

00:12:31 ◼   ► was like 16 years and I think I had even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/751">TS</a>]

00:12:33 ◼   ► asked if I recall correctly I'd asked if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/753">TS</a>]

00:12:36 ◼   ► Michael Jackson were alive today how old [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/756">TS</a>]

00:12:38 ◼   ► would he be and I thought that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/758">TS</a>]

00:12:40 ◼   ► stretching a bit like I was not gonna be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/760">TS</a>]

00:12:42 ◼   ► surprised if the lady in the tube would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/762">TS</a>]

00:12:44 ◼   ► not know what the crap I was asking and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/764">TS</a>]

00:12:46 ◼   ► sure enough she gave me an answer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/766">TS</a>]

00:12:48 ◼   ► couldn't tell you what it was offhand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/768">TS</a>]

00:12:49 ◼   ► but she gave me an answer and that like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/769">TS</a>]

00:12:51 ◼   ► if I haven't tried it but if I ask Siri [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/771">TS</a>]

00:12:53 ◼   ► how old Michael Jackson be today I would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/773">TS</a>]

00:12:56 ◼   ► be very surprised if Siri had any darn [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/776">TS</a>]

00:12:58 ◼   ► idea what I was talking about and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/778">TS</a>]

00:13:00 ◼   ► fact that I don't think even think it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/780">TS</a>]

00:13:01 ◼   ► worth trying is itself an indication of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/781">TS</a>]

00:13:04 ◼   ► my lack of confidence in Siri well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/784">TS</a>]

00:13:07 ◼   ► next time you ask one of those questions [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/787">TS</a>]

00:13:09 ◼   ► and you're and you're impressed or not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/789">TS</a>]

00:13:10 ◼   ► impressed by by happy echo does take out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/790">TS</a>]

00:13:13 ◼   ► your phone rest here the same thing it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/793">TS</a>]

00:13:14 ◼   ► is it is kind of useful as commentators [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/794">TS</a>]

00:13:17 ◼   ► and enthusiasts in this field to do that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/797">TS</a>]

00:13:18 ◼   ► and compare like you know how are these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/798">TS</a>]

00:13:20 ◼   ► things doing with the things that I what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/800">TS</a>]

00:13:22 ◼   ► that I think I should ask them because I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/802">TS</a>]

00:13:24 ◼   ► found whenever I do that I do find the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/804">TS</a>]

00:13:26 ◼   ► echo devices to have better answers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/806">TS</a>]

00:13:30 ◼   ► faster more of the time but they don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/810">TS</a>]

00:13:34 ◼   ► always get them and Siri doesn't always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/814">TS</a>]

00:13:36 ◼   ► not get them you know it's just it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/816">TS</a>]

00:13:38 ◼   ► series average is worse for me but but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/818">TS</a>]

00:13:41 ◼   ► the the Alexa devices are actually not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/821">TS</a>]

00:13:44 ◼   ► perfect either they just have better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/824">TS</a>]

00:13:46 ◼   ► averages I do I do think they like going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/826">TS</a>]

00:13:50 ◼   ► back to the to the beginning of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/830">TS</a>]

00:13:51 ◼   ► story though I just I wish that these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/831">TS</a>]

00:13:55 ◼   ► devices handled the the basic like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/835">TS</a>]

00:13:59 ◼   ► basic PDA functions like the things that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/839">TS</a>]

00:14:02 ◼   ► like all computing hardware and stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/842">TS</a>]

00:14:05 ◼   ► have tried to do since the beginning of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/845">TS</a>]

00:14:06 ◼   ► time that almost everyone needs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/846">TS</a>]

00:14:09 ◼   ► reminders alarms [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/849">TS</a>]

00:14:11 ◼   ► timers calendar like these are very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/851">TS</a>]

00:14:14 ◼   ► basic things that everything should be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/854">TS</a>]

00:14:18 ◼   ► able to do these days and the fact that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/858">TS</a>]

00:14:21 ◼   ► like you know and the echo devices I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/861">TS</a>]

00:14:23 ◼   ► think do a pretty good job on a timer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/863">TS</a>]

00:14:25 ◼   ► front that I think their timer support [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/865">TS</a>]

00:14:26 ◼   ► is excellent their alarms are basically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/866">TS</a>]

00:14:28 ◼   ► just like timers they're excellent as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/868">TS</a>]

00:14:30 ◼   ► well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/870">TS</a>]

00:14:31 ◼   ► iPhones and and you know I stuff as we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/871">TS</a>]

00:14:34 ◼   ► as we talked about with the home pod [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/874">TS</a>]

00:14:35 ◼   ► long she's not having multiple timers or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/875">TS</a>]

00:14:37 ◼   ► name time or things like that like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/877">TS</a>]

00:14:38 ◼   ► that's still so far behind and it just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/878">TS</a>]

00:14:40 ◼   ► seems like that like that stuff is not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/880">TS</a>]

00:14:42 ◼   ► that hard from a programming perspective [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/882">TS</a>]

00:14:44 ◼   ► like that isn't that hard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/884">TS</a>]

00:14:46 ◼   ► it just seems it's it seems baffling to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/886">TS</a>]

00:14:49 ◼   ► me that anything any of these like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/889">TS</a>]

00:14:52 ◼   ► voice assistant services or devices [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/892">TS</a>]

00:14:53 ◼   ► launch these days without totally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/893">TS</a>]

00:14:56 ◼   ► nailing reminders timers alarms and was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/896">TS</a>]

00:15:01 ◼   ► your own calendar like those should be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/901">TS</a>]

00:15:03 ◼   ► easy and at least like calendar I can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/903">TS</a>]

00:15:05 ◼   ► kind of understand if any of them don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/905">TS</a>]

00:15:08 ◼   ► because you have to like connect two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/908">TS</a>]

00:15:09 ◼   ► different services and maybe you don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/909">TS</a>]

00:15:11 ◼   ► they don't support the one you use or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/911">TS</a>]

00:15:12 ◼   ► you haven't set it up or whatever but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/912">TS</a>]

00:15:14 ◼   ► like reminders should be local on device [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/914">TS</a>]

00:15:16 ◼   ► if they if they don't have any kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/916">TS</a>]

00:15:18 ◼   ► same thing set up like that that's easy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/918">TS</a>]

00:15:19 ◼   ► you know remind me at this time too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/919">TS</a>]

00:15:21 ◼   ► do this like they just they should just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/921">TS</a>]

00:15:22 ◼   ► treat that as a timer and it's like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/922">TS</a>]

00:15:24 ◼   ► fact that anything that is that simple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/924">TS</a>]

00:15:26 ◼   ► to do doesn't work properly on any of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/926">TS</a>]

00:15:30 ◼   ► these things it should be kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/930">TS</a>]

00:15:31 ◼   ► embarrassing I think we discussed the in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/931">TS</a>]

00:15:33 ◼   ► the past on this topic I'm still waiting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/933">TS</a>]

00:15:35 ◼   ► for like forget about how far beyond [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/935">TS</a>]

00:15:38 ◼   ► Syria may be and its own but I'm still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/938">TS</a>]

00:15:40 ◼   ► waiting for the next logical step in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/940">TS</a>]

00:15:42 ◼   ► this well I guess this two one is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/942">TS</a>]

00:15:45 ◼   ► advancement of the vocabulary [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/945">TS</a>]

00:15:46 ◼   ► surrounding the things Marco just said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/946">TS</a>]

00:15:49 ◼   ► echo and Google home are pretty good and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/949">TS</a>]

00:15:52 ◼   ► as you know as Casey found you just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/952">TS</a>]

00:15:53 ◼   ► phrase it the way you think and it'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/953">TS</a>]

00:15:55 ◼   ► mostly figure it out but the next [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/955">TS</a>]

00:15:56 ◼   ► logical step is some and I think then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/956">TS</a>]

00:15:59 ◼   ► maybe the reason this is so difficult [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/959">TS</a>]

00:16:01 ◼   ► that are require more Hardware locally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/961">TS</a>]

00:16:03 ◼   ► is some some context awareness to allow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/963">TS</a>]

00:16:06 ◼   ► the beginnings of a conversation about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/966">TS</a>]

00:16:08 ◼   ► things because although these devices [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/968">TS</a>]

00:16:12 ◼   ► are flexible about how we request the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/972">TS</a>]

00:16:14 ◼   ► things you can phrase it a different way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/974">TS</a>]

00:16:15 ◼   ► someone somewhere that it ends up being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/975">TS</a>]

00:16:17 ◼   ► single command single response there is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/977">TS</a>]

00:16:20 ◼   ► no semblance of a conversation for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/980">TS</a>]

00:16:22 ◼   ► most part except for in very rudimentary [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/982">TS</a>]

00:16:24 ◼   ► things will ever ask for confirmation or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/984">TS</a>]

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00:23:16 ◼   ► all remember it by the time they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1396">TS</a>]

00:23:18 ◼   ► actually using these things so Apple has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1398">TS</a>]

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00:23:23 ◼   ► communicate changes to their app or even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1403">TS</a>]

00:23:27 ◼   ► do they communicate changes to their app [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1407">TS</a>]

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00:23:35 ◼   ► this is Apple I think trying you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1415">TS</a>]

00:23:39 ◼   ► trying a new way of doing this so far [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1419">TS</a>]

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00:24:32 ◼   ► the thing actual into that to do but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1472">TS</a>]

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00:25:15 ◼   ► while your application takes a year in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1515">TS</a>]

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00:25:20 ◼   ► the desktop - well the general move away [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1520">TS</a>]

00:25:22 ◼   ► from loading screens if you see a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1522">TS</a>]

00:25:24 ◼   ► loading screen you know you're either [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1524">TS</a>]

00:25:25 ◼   ► using like Microsoft for an Adobe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1525">TS</a>]

00:25:26 ◼   ► product or you're like back in time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1526">TS</a>]

00:25:28 ◼   ► somewhere most desktop applications on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1528">TS</a>]

00:25:30 ◼   ► the Mac anyway have moved far far away [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1530">TS</a>]

00:25:32 ◼   ► from any kind of splash screen right but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1532">TS</a>]

00:25:34 ◼   ► there is a trend that started you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1534">TS</a>]

00:25:36 ◼   ► maybe a decade ago probably led by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1536">TS</a>]

00:25:38 ◼   ► office or some other things to give you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1538">TS</a>]

00:25:40 ◼   ► that screen I don't know what you call [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1540">TS</a>]

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00:25:44 ◼   ► it shows a bunch of template's or like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1544">TS</a>]

00:25:46 ◼   ► the first-run experience like tutorial [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1546">TS</a>]

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00:25:58 ◼   ► but yeah so that kind of thing and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1558">TS</a>]

00:26:00 ◼   ► sometimes it doesn't even go away [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1560">TS</a>]

00:26:01 ◼   ► sometimes like in an office it's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1561">TS</a>]

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00:26:06 ◼   ► thing with a bunch of Excel templates [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1566">TS</a>]

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00:26:12 ◼   ► but in all cases in a desktop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1572">TS</a>]

00:26:14 ◼   ► application on the Mac especially a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1574">TS</a>]

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00:26:20 ◼   ► place that you can go to learn more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1580">TS</a>]

00:26:24 ◼   ► about what this application can do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1584">TS</a>]

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00:26:27 ◼   ► you or like Apple guide in the old days [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1587">TS</a>]

00:26:29 ◼   ► like there's some standard way to say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1589">TS</a>]

00:26:31 ◼   ► what can I do in this application I know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1591">TS</a>]

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00:26:36 ◼   ► know help me out and help very some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1596">TS</a>]

00:26:38 ◼   ► application application sometimes it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1598">TS</a>]

00:26:39 ◼   ► just a limited thing that you can search [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1599">TS</a>]

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00:26:43 ◼   ► comprehensive help or even if they just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1603">TS</a>]

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00:26:47 ◼   ► main thing that these screens are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1607">TS</a>]

00:26:49 ◼   ► answering for new users who again they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1609">TS</a>]

00:26:51 ◼   ► don't have to be told about changes or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1611">TS</a>]

00:26:53 ◼   ► anything is what can I do in this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1613">TS</a>]

00:26:56 ◼   ► application so if we look at that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1616">TS</a>]

00:26:57 ◼   ► welcome to videos thing that in this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1617">TS</a>]

00:26:59 ◼   ► tweet here it's not really telling you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1619">TS</a>]

00:27:01 ◼   ► what changes last version it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1621">TS</a>]

00:27:03 ◼   ► where's the video app do because if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1623">TS</a>]

00:27:05 ◼   ► just launch it forget the screen what is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1625">TS</a>]

00:27:06 ◼   ► the first screen you see when you launch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1626">TS</a>]

00:27:07 ◼   ► videos especially if you actually have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1627">TS</a>]

00:27:09 ◼   ► no videos that's always the problem on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1629">TS</a>]

00:27:10 ◼   ► iOS like what do you show when there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1630">TS</a>]

00:27:11 ◼   ► no stuff it's not really clear what you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1631">TS</a>]

00:27:15 ◼   ► would use this application for so this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1635">TS</a>]

00:27:16 ◼   ► is where you differ [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1636">TS</a>]

00:27:17 ◼   ► you know browse your library I find [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1637">TS</a>]

00:27:19 ◼   ► purchases and rentals you know watch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1639">TS</a>]

00:27:20 ◼   ► anytime anywhere play videos over Wi-Fi [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1640">TS</a>]

00:27:22 ◼   ► or cell you download to watch offline [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1642">TS</a>]

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00:27:29 ◼   ► I had to describe what you're doing the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1649">TS</a>]

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00:27:31 ◼   ► enjoy extra thing but that's an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1651">TS</a>]

00:27:32 ◼   ► important piece of information people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1652">TS</a>]

00:27:34 ◼   ► might not know oh there might be special [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1654">TS</a>]

00:27:37 ◼   ► features associated with something I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1657">TS</a>]

00:27:39 ◼   ► purchased and I can watch them here too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1659">TS</a>]

00:27:41 ◼   ► and then it's so it's important to just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1661">TS</a>]

00:27:44 ◼   ► convey that basic information but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1664">TS</a>]

00:27:46 ◼   ► unfortunately unlike the desktop say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1666">TS</a>]

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00:27:51 ◼   ► generally an annoyance and if you look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1671">TS</a>]

00:27:53 ◼   ► in the Apple's old you know human [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1673">TS</a>]

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00:27:59 ◼   ► they set out to do by interrupting them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1679">TS</a>]

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00:28:13 ◼   ► any words on the page right which I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1693">TS</a>]

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00:28:21 ◼   ► this screen back if later you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1701">TS</a>]

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00:28:25 ◼   ► videos that were what is this video you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1705">TS</a>]

00:28:26 ◼   ► happy even for you can't go to the help [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1706">TS</a>]

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00:28:32 ◼   ► know if there is a way to get this back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1712">TS</a>]

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00:29:32 ◼   ► trying to associate with the good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1772">TS</a>]

00:29:34 ◼   ► information that you'll find linked from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1774">TS</a>]

00:29:36 ◼   ► it is like when you see that logo that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1776">TS</a>]

00:29:37 ◼   ► Apple reminding you that they're the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1777">TS</a>]

00:29:38 ◼   ► probably is a company that doesn't do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1778">TS</a>]

00:29:40 ◼   ► creepy things and tap here on the small [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1780">TS</a>]

00:29:42 ◼   ► text to find out exactly how non creepy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1782">TS</a>]

00:29:44 ◼   ► we are and the only way you get that in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1784">TS</a>]

00:29:46 ◼   ► people's faces is if you put that in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1786">TS</a>]

00:29:48 ◼   ► people's faces otherwise you know in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1788">TS</a>]

00:29:50 ◼   ► past Apple has not been doing creepy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1790">TS</a>]

00:29:53 ◼   ► things with your data but there is no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1793">TS</a>]

00:29:55 ◼   ► way as a user of these applications that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1795">TS</a>]

00:29:57 ◼   ► you know that because you launched them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1797">TS</a>]

00:29:59 ◼   ► they just show whatever their initial [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1799">TS</a>]

00:30:00 ◼   ► screen is and there's no indication in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1800">TS</a>]

00:30:01 ◼   ► the application of exactly how creepy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1801">TS</a>]

00:30:03 ◼   ► and applicate it is or isn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1803">TS</a>]

00:30:04 ◼   ► and so how Paul is relying on the fact [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1804">TS</a>]

00:30:06 ◼   ► that you trust them enough to believe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1806">TS</a>]

00:30:08 ◼   ► them when they tell you that by the way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1808">TS</a>]

00:30:09 ◼   ► we're not doing creepy stuff and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1809">TS</a>]

00:30:11 ◼   ► want to remind you of that so I have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1811">TS</a>]

00:30:14 ◼   ► similar mixed feelings to Marco about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1814">TS</a>]

00:30:15 ◼   ► the screen and that I understand the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1815">TS</a>]

00:30:16 ◼   ► reasoning behind it but I but I think it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1816">TS</a>]

00:30:20 ◼   ► is it is difficult to for it to fulfill [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1820">TS</a>]

00:30:23 ◼   ► its purpose because it's probably so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1823">TS</a>]

00:30:25 ◼   ► easy to dismiss quickly because there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1825">TS</a>]

00:30:27 ◼   ► no way to get it back after you've done [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1827">TS</a>]

00:30:28 ◼   ► that and because it interrupts the user [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1828">TS</a>]

00:30:32 ◼   ► from doing what they wanted to doing yet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1832">TS</a>]

00:30:34 ◼   ► I think most new users especially would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1834">TS</a>]

00:30:37 ◼   ► benefit from not reflexively dismissing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1837">TS</a>]

00:30:40 ◼   ► the screen from actually reading the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1840">TS</a>]

00:30:41 ◼   ► three little bullet points so they know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1841">TS</a>]

00:30:43 ◼   ► why you would ever want to launch the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1843">TS</a>]

00:30:45 ◼   ► videos app or whatever now it can be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1845">TS</a>]

00:30:48 ◼   ► taken to extremes here we have this a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1848">TS</a>]

00:30:50 ◼   ► follow-up create from a micro sergeant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1850">TS</a>]

00:30:52 ◼   ► that shows that what's new in clock [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1852">TS</a>]

00:30:55 ◼   ► yeah we're the only item is this splash [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1855">TS</a>]

00:30:57 ◼   ► screen literally just the splash screen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1857">TS</a>]

00:30:58 ◼   ► what do you want from us but it still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1858">TS</a>]

00:30:59 ◼   ► got the privacy bring up the bottom it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1859">TS</a>]

00:31:01 ◼   ► was that real I assumed that was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1861">TS</a>]

00:31:03 ◼   ► Photoshop yeah it's fake but it's funny [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1863">TS</a>]

00:31:05 ◼   ► but like where does it where does this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1865">TS</a>]

00:31:08 ◼   ► end so similar to the trend of desktop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1868">TS</a>]

00:31:10 ◼   ► applications all opening up with like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1870">TS</a>]

00:31:12 ◼   ► template library create a new document [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1872">TS</a>]

00:31:14 ◼   ► pick from one of these 17 templates like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1874">TS</a>]

00:31:16 ◼   ► just no just get out of my face right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1876">TS</a>]

00:31:17 ◼   ► this type of thing can be annoying and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1877">TS</a>]

00:31:20 ◼   ► if Apple does it it may encourage other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1880">TS</a>]

00:31:23 ◼   ► people to do it and if every new iOS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1883">TS</a>]

00:31:25 ◼   ► application you launched put one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1885">TS</a>]

00:31:28 ◼   ► these screens up it really amplifies the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1888">TS</a>]

00:31:31 ◼   ► the you are stopping me from doing what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1891">TS</a>]

00:31:33 ◼   ► I'm trying to do factor and it makes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1893">TS</a>]

00:31:36 ◼   ► people even more quick on the draw to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1896">TS</a>]

00:31:40 ◼   ► reflexively dismiss these things and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1900">TS</a>]

00:31:42 ◼   ► further emphasizes the fact that if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1902">TS</a>]

00:31:43 ◼   ► do reflexively dismiss it there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1903">TS</a>]

00:31:45 ◼   ► probably no standard way to get it back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1905">TS</a>]

00:31:47 ◼   ► so I think this is a difficult problem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1907">TS</a>]

00:31:50 ◼   ► that Apple is solving in a not-so-great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1910">TS</a>]

00:31:51 ◼   ► way but I do understand why they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1911">TS</a>]

00:31:53 ◼   ► doing it yeah I mean like it's really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1913">TS</a>]

00:31:56 ◼   ► hard you know as it's like it's really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1916">TS</a>]

00:31:57 ◼   ► hard to figure out how to communicate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1917">TS</a>]

00:32:00 ◼   ► change like this in your app but I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1920">TS</a>]

00:32:03 ◼   ► like yeah I think you know what I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1923">TS</a>]

00:32:04 ◼   ► mentioned initially and what you guys [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1924">TS</a>]

00:32:05 ◼   ► kind of confirmed and clarified for me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1925">TS</a>]

00:32:06 ◼   ► is like I think the biggest reason why I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1926">TS</a>]

00:32:08 ◼   ► don't like these things is that it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1928">TS</a>]

00:32:10 ◼   ► almost never a good time when I see them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1930">TS</a>]

00:32:13 ◼   ► it's like no I didn't come here to read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1933">TS</a>]

00:32:15 ◼   ► what's new I came here to write [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1935">TS</a>]

00:32:17 ◼   ► something down really fast or do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1937">TS</a>]

00:32:19 ◼   ► something like you know it's it - I came [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1939">TS</a>]

00:32:21 ◼   ► here doing a task that I don't have time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1941">TS</a>]

00:32:24 ◼   ► right now to explore all the new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1944">TS</a>]

00:32:27 ◼   ► features that you did for me and get to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1947">TS</a>]

00:32:29 ◼   ► get through your marking language like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1949">TS</a>]

00:32:30 ◼   ► the problem is like you know you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1950">TS</a>]

00:32:33 ◼   ► what percentage of the time and when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1953">TS</a>]

00:32:34 ◼   ► people are first seen this is going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1954">TS</a>]

00:32:35 ◼   ► be that kind of context or the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1955">TS</a>]

00:32:37 ◼   ► christendom breeze right by it even if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1957">TS</a>]

00:32:39 ◼   ► people have time we are so conditioned [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1959">TS</a>]

00:32:42 ◼   ► to dismiss those screens that were not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1962">TS</a>]

00:32:43 ◼   ► going to remember you know things that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1963">TS</a>]

00:32:44 ◼   ► are on it you know it's one of the one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1964">TS</a>]

00:32:48 ◼   ► of the most sad realities of interface [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1968">TS</a>]

00:32:49 ◼   ► design but this has been true forever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1969">TS</a>]

00:32:51 ◼   ► and will always be true is that nobody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1971">TS</a>]

00:32:53 ◼   ► reads anything like anything you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1973">TS</a>]

00:32:55 ◼   ► explaining by just like a couple of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1975">TS</a>]

00:32:56 ◼   ► bullet points a text nobody will read it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1976">TS</a>]

00:32:59 ◼   ► the very small handful to do won't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1979">TS</a>]

00:33:01 ◼   ► remember it and so explaining things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1981">TS</a>]

00:33:05 ◼   ► with text is just not very effective [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1985">TS</a>]

00:33:08 ◼   ► it's not you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1988">TS</a>]

00:33:08 ◼   ► should never rely on that ultimately the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1988">TS</a>]

00:33:11 ◼   ► best way to solve the problem of how do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1991">TS</a>]

00:33:15 ◼   ► you communicate changes in your app is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1995">TS</a>]

00:33:17 ◼   ► with the design of the app itself this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1997">TS</a>]

00:33:20 ◼   ► isn't always possible this isn't always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2000">TS</a>]

00:33:21 ◼   ► practical but ideally the changes should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2001">TS</a>]

00:33:25 ◼   ► either be like not worth mentioning [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2005">TS</a>]

00:33:27 ◼   ► because the user doesn't care if it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2007">TS</a>]

00:33:28 ◼   ► like oh we under the hood change it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2008">TS</a>]

00:33:30 ◼   ► like well the user doesn't care [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2010">TS</a>]

00:33:31 ◼   ► great dude do the other changes makes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2011">TS</a>]

00:33:33 ◼   ► you happy it makes your users happy that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2013">TS</a>]

00:33:34 ◼   ► like things are faster or don't crash [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2014">TS</a>]

00:33:36 ◼   ► whatever else great don't need to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2016">TS</a>]

00:33:38 ◼   ► mention that or it's like new features [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2018">TS</a>]

00:33:40 ◼   ► in which case like those will make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2020">TS</a>]

00:33:41 ◼   ► themselves apparent in the interface as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2021">TS</a>]

00:33:42 ◼   ► the user is using them it's hard these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2022">TS</a>]

00:33:45 ◼   ► days not only is it hard on touchscreens [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2025">TS</a>]

00:33:47 ◼   ► because as you mentioned like they're so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2027">TS</a>]

00:33:48 ◼   ► small that makes it hard for a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2028">TS</a>]

00:33:51 ◼   ► features to be visible because you don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2031">TS</a>]

00:33:54 ◼   ► have space on the screen to have like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2034">TS</a>]

00:33:56 ◼   ► toolbar button for everything the app [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2036">TS</a>]

00:33:57 ◼   ► can do but also modern design trends are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2037">TS</a>]

00:34:03 ◼   ► such that you try to hide as much as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2043">TS</a>]

00:34:06 ◼   ► possible in the main interface you try [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2046">TS</a>]

00:34:09 ◼   ► to make the main interface like as empty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2049">TS</a>]

00:34:11 ◼   ► as possible everything looks super [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2051">TS</a>]

00:34:14 ◼   ► sparse and open the way Apple would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2054">TS</a>]

00:34:16 ◼   ► phrase that is maximize your content [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2056">TS</a>]

00:34:19 ◼   ► they wouldn't say you're hiding things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2059">TS</a>]

00:34:21 ◼   ► they would say you're allowing the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2061">TS</a>]

00:34:22 ◼   ► content they've said with so many it so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2062">TS</a>]

00:34:24 ◼   ► many sessions the content maximizing the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2064">TS</a>]

00:34:27 ◼   ► content not minimizing UI but in effect [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2067">TS</a>]

00:34:29 ◼   ► you are hiding everything else if you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2069">TS</a>]

00:34:31 ◼   ► putting the content in front and that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2071">TS</a>]

00:34:34 ◼   ► think gets to what you were saying with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2074">TS</a>]

00:34:35 ◼   ► you you know this is not a good time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2075">TS</a>]

00:34:37 ◼   ► application to be telling me about your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2077">TS</a>]

00:34:38 ◼   ► features right that's the beauty of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2078">TS</a>]

00:34:41 ◼   ► help menu when the user seeks out an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2081">TS</a>]

00:34:44 ◼   ► item in the help menu that is their task [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2084">TS</a>]

00:34:46 ◼   ► at that point they're trying to learn [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2086">TS</a>]

00:34:48 ◼   ► more about the application that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2088">TS</a>]

00:34:49 ◼   ► exactly the time you should tell them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2089">TS</a>]

00:34:50 ◼   ► more but there is no standardized [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2090">TS</a>]

00:34:53 ◼   ► interface element in iOS for almost [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2093">TS</a>]

00:34:55 ◼   ► anything like that it's part of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2095">TS</a>]

00:34:57 ◼   ► beauty of iOS that each application gets [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2097">TS</a>]

00:34:58 ◼   ► the entire screen back from the single [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2098">TS</a>]

00:35:00 ◼   ► testing model and maximizing the content [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2100">TS</a>]

00:35:02 ◼   ► all those are good trends but the lack [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2102">TS</a>]

00:35:04 ◼   ► of really any standardized interface [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2104">TS</a>]

00:35:06 ◼   ► element aside from the status bar which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2106">TS</a>]

00:35:08 ◼   ► at least we know you can use to scroll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2108">TS</a>]

00:35:09 ◼   ► to the top most of the time really does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2109">TS</a>]

00:35:12 ◼   ► hurt discoverability if there was some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2112">TS</a>]

00:35:15 ◼   ► kind of standard help widget that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2115">TS</a>]

00:35:17 ◼   ► the same across all apps that would be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2117">TS</a>]

00:35:20 ◼   ► the perfect place to stash this because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2120">TS</a>]

00:35:22 ◼   ► when people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2122">TS</a>]

00:35:22 ◼   ► Apted they would be seeking out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2122">TS</a>]

00:35:23 ◼   ► information about your application at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2123">TS</a>]

00:35:25 ◼   ► that moment but it in the absence of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2125">TS</a>]

00:35:27 ◼   ► that even if even if you have a great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2127">TS</a>]

00:35:29 ◼   ► help widget in your app no one knows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2129">TS</a>]

00:35:30 ◼   ► what it means or where it is or what it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2130">TS</a>]

00:35:32 ◼   ► does because it's not standardized right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2132">TS</a>]

00:35:33 ◼   ► and so we're forced to throw this in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2133">TS</a>]

00:35:37 ◼   ► people's faces otherwise they will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2137">TS</a>]

00:35:38 ◼   ► literally never see it oh yeah and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2138">TS</a>]

00:35:40 ◼   ► you know and part of that like you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2140">TS</a>]

00:35:42 ◼   ► a lot of a lot of I don't know people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2142">TS</a>]

00:35:45 ◼   ► who haven't been around this stuff that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2145">TS</a>]

00:35:47 ◼   ► long you know the kids these days or a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2147">TS</a>]

00:35:50 ◼   ► lot of a lot of assumptions are made [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2150">TS</a>]

00:35:52 ◼   ► about current design trends that people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2152">TS</a>]

00:35:55 ◼   ► project as universal design rules that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2155">TS</a>]

00:35:58 ◼   ► have always and will always be the best [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2158">TS</a>]

00:36:00 ◼   ► and and the fact is right now we are in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2160">TS</a>]

00:36:04 ◼   ► you know I'd say probably the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2164">TS</a>]

00:36:07 ◼   ► three-quarters point of a trend of ultra [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2167">TS</a>]

00:36:09 ◼   ► minimalism everywhere and the fact is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2169">TS</a>]

00:36:12 ◼   ► that's just a style that's it that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2172">TS</a>]

00:36:14 ◼   ► been in fact it's been in style for a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2174">TS</a>]

00:36:15 ◼   ► little while we have a little more of it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2175">TS</a>]

00:36:17 ◼   ► to go probably that isn't necessarily [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2177">TS</a>]

00:36:20 ◼   ► the only or best way to design apps a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2180">TS</a>]

00:36:23 ◼   ► lot of the minimalism of iOS apps and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2183">TS</a>]

00:36:27 ◼   ► interfaces and getting out of the way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2187">TS</a>]

00:36:28 ◼   ► for the content was born of limitations [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2188">TS</a>]

00:36:31 ◼   ► of the original iPhone hardware being a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2191">TS</a>]

00:36:33 ◼   ► really small screen but as phones have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2193">TS</a>]

00:36:36 ◼   ► gotten significantly bigger as also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2196">TS</a>]

00:36:39 ◼   ► we've added things like iPads and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2199">TS</a>]

00:36:41 ◼   ► possibly you know Mac through Bridge [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2201">TS</a>]

00:36:44 ◼   ► layers this fall we hope you know as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2204">TS</a>]

00:36:46 ◼   ► we've added larger screens and more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2206">TS</a>]

00:36:48 ◼   ► capability and everything the ultra [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2208">TS</a>]

00:36:51 ◼   ► minimalist thing doesn't necessarily [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2211">TS</a>]

00:36:52 ◼   ► work or doesn't carry over as well also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2212">TS</a>]

00:36:55 ◼   ► the software like iOS started from zero [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2215">TS</a>]

00:36:58 ◼   ► with software I started with like every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2218">TS</a>]

00:37:00 ◼   ► software gonna be one point out here and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2220">TS</a>]

00:37:02 ◼   ► so no there weren't a lot of features in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2222">TS</a>]

00:37:05 ◼   ► most apps for a long time and there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2225">TS</a>]

00:37:07 ◼   ► still aren't on iOS apps but many apps [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2227">TS</a>]

00:37:09 ◼   ► now are pushing those boundaries and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2229">TS</a>]

00:37:11 ◼   ► have developed over the last decade into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2231">TS</a>]

00:37:13 ◼   ► very feature-rich [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2233">TS</a>]

00:37:15 ◼   ► very capable apps and the conventions of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2235">TS</a>]

00:37:20 ◼   ► ultra minimalist you know hide [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2240">TS</a>]

00:37:23 ◼   ► everything design while they still look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2243">TS</a>]

00:37:26 ◼   ► very nice they suffer greatly from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2246">TS</a>]

00:37:29 ◼   ► discoverability and an affordances of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2249">TS</a>]

00:37:32 ◼   ► like you know showing people what is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2252">TS</a>]

00:37:33 ◼   ► possible or how to how to use things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2253">TS</a>]

00:37:36 ◼   ► and this is again this is just a design [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2256">TS</a>]

00:37:39 ◼   ► trend of hide everything that won't last [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2259">TS</a>]

00:37:43 ◼   ► forever you know and and I honestly I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2263">TS</a>]

00:37:46 ◼   ► think it's almost over because I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2266">TS</a>]

00:37:48 ◼   ► it's it's many usability flaws are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2268">TS</a>]

00:37:51 ◼   ► really piling up and it's resulting in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2271">TS</a>]

00:37:54 ◼   ► people having to do bad hacks like those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2274">TS</a>]

00:37:57 ◼   ► splash screens you know like that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2277">TS</a>]

00:37:59 ◼   ► those are terrible hacks you know like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2279">TS</a>]

00:38:02 ◼   ► frequently tell the story about like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2282">TS</a>]

00:38:03 ◼   ► when I first made the magazine app I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2283">TS</a>]

00:38:05 ◼   ► thought it would be a good design [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2285">TS</a>]

00:38:06 ◼   ► principle to not need a settings screen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2286">TS</a>]

00:38:08 ◼   ► and so I didn't have 11.0 and I tried I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2288">TS</a>]

00:38:11 ◼   ► tried to get it I was just okay there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2291">TS</a>]

00:38:12 ◼   ► no settings anywhere or there's no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2292">TS</a>]

00:38:14 ◼   ► settings screen right there anywhere [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2294">TS</a>]

00:38:16 ◼   ► let me just design the app to not need a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2296">TS</a>]

00:38:18 ◼   ► settings screen wouldn't that be great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2298">TS</a>]

00:38:19 ◼   ► wouldn't that be clean and modern and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2299">TS</a>]

00:38:21 ◼   ► everything and the fact is to not have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2301">TS</a>]

00:38:24 ◼   ► settings screen I had to jump through [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2304">TS</a>]

00:38:26 ◼   ► hoops and the hoops I jumped through [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2306">TS</a>]

00:38:29 ◼   ► were worse than just having a setting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2309">TS</a>]

00:38:32 ◼   ► screen and this is a very important like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2312">TS</a>]

00:38:35 ◼   ► you know lesson that I learned at that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2315">TS</a>]

00:38:37 ◼   ► time and a metaphor that had that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2317">TS</a>]

00:38:40 ◼   ► think is widely applicable by the way I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2320">TS</a>]

00:38:42 ◼   ► still haven't listened every time I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2322">TS</a>]

00:38:43 ◼   ► I have a stoop I have a significant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2323">TS</a>]

00:38:46 ◼   ► design problem in overcast right now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2326">TS</a>]

00:38:48 ◼   ► that I need to revert on the Now Playing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2328">TS</a>]

00:38:49 ◼   ► screen just guess how many emails I get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2329">TS</a>]

00:38:52 ◼   ► per day from people asking how to change [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2332">TS</a>]

00:38:54 ◼   ► the speed it's I have a significant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2334">TS</a>]

00:38:58 ◼   ► problem that I need to redesign there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2338">TS</a>]

00:39:00 ◼   ► but in our efforts to make things clean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2340">TS</a>]

00:39:03 ◼   ► and simple and minimal usability suffers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2343">TS</a>]

00:39:08 ◼   ► big time and I think we're finally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2348">TS</a>]

00:39:11 ◼   ► starting to realize that but it's still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2351">TS</a>]

00:39:13 ◼   ► an open question of how we are going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2353">TS</a>]

00:39:16 ◼   ► solve that going forward I think it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2356">TS</a>]

00:39:19 ◼   ► not just a design problem as obvious [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2359">TS</a>]

00:39:21 ◼   ► there's the obvious design thing and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2361">TS</a>]

00:39:22 ◼   ► Apple isn't emphasizing that you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2362">TS</a>]

00:39:24 ◼   ► make make your content give it give it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2364">TS</a>]

00:39:27 ◼   ► focus make it the primary thing you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2367">TS</a>]

00:39:28 ◼   ► it's the thing that people care about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2368">TS</a>]

00:39:29 ◼   ► most people use all the features yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2369">TS</a>]

00:39:30 ◼   ► I'm mostly good but especially on larger [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2370">TS</a>]

00:39:34 ◼   ► iOS devices which may include phones you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2374">TS</a>]

00:39:36 ◼   ► know they're getting bigger at least [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2376">TS</a>]

00:39:37 ◼   ► they'll sell the SE but especially on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2377">TS</a>]

00:39:39 ◼   ► iPads potentially even larger things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2379">TS</a>]

00:39:42 ◼   ► part of it is up to the OS to provide [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2382">TS</a>]

00:39:46 ◼   ► standardized elements for things and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2386">TS</a>]

00:39:49 ◼   ► a set of standardized elements you need [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2389">TS</a>]

00:39:51 ◼   ► for a 3.5 inch phone screen is not the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2391">TS</a>]

00:39:54 ◼   ► same for the set of standardized [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2394">TS</a>]

00:39:55 ◼   ► elements that you need to make a really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2395">TS</a>]

00:39:56 ◼   ► great application on a 12 point 9 inch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2396">TS</a>]

00:39:58 ◼   ► iPad and getting back to the help menu [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2398">TS</a>]

00:40:01 ◼   ► not that I'm saying that they should add [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2401">TS</a>]

00:40:02 ◼   ► a menu bar but if you leave it up to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2402">TS</a>]

00:40:06 ◼   ► even if this trend the design trend ends [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2406">TS</a>]

00:40:09 ◼   ► and everybody stops doing everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2409">TS</a>]

00:40:10 ◼   ► minimal and they start adding just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2410">TS</a>]

00:40:12 ◼   ► toolbars and palettes everywhere if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2412">TS</a>]

00:40:14 ◼   ► there is no standardization for that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2414">TS</a>]

00:40:18 ◼   ► toolbars and palettes in every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2418">TS</a>]

00:40:19 ◼   ► application will be wildly different and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2419">TS</a>]

00:40:21 ◼   ► users still won't know where to go for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2421">TS</a>]

00:40:23 ◼   ► common functions like finding the help [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2423">TS</a>]

00:40:25 ◼   ► or any kind of guide or and you know any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2425">TS</a>]

00:40:27 ◼   ► trend towards that or whatever may be I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2427">TS</a>]

00:40:29 ◼   ► think one of the poster children for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2429">TS</a>]

00:40:31 ◼   ► this was I forget what version it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2431">TS</a>]

00:40:33 ◼   ► but a couple of releases ago apples [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2433">TS</a>]

00:40:35 ◼   ► photos application that would launch and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2435">TS</a>]

00:40:38 ◼   ► it would show like a highlight or mark [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2438">TS</a>]

00:40:41 ◼   ► up with things circled in yellow pen all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2441">TS</a>]

00:40:43 ◼   ► over the screen with one of those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2443">TS</a>]

00:40:44 ◼   ► overlays the worst I was at photos I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2444">TS</a>]

00:40:47 ◼   ► know iMovie did that but it might have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2447">TS</a>]

00:40:49 ◼   ► been lots of applications do this but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2449">TS</a>]

00:40:52 ◼   ► because yeah they're they're not they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2452">TS</a>]

00:40:55 ◼   ► not going super minimal because a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2455">TS</a>]

00:40:57 ◼   ► those applications particularly Apple in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2457">TS</a>]

00:40:59 ◼   ► that I'm thinking of that I can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2459">TS</a>]

00:41:00 ◼   ► remember the chatroom will tell me in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2460">TS</a>]

00:41:01 ◼   ► second they have tons of controls on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2461">TS</a>]

00:41:03 ◼   ► screen there are a lot of buttons maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2463">TS</a>]

00:41:05 ◼   ► the minimalism is like a why aren't the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2465">TS</a>]

00:41:07 ◼   ► buttons labeled they're all icons which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2467">TS</a>]

00:41:08 ◼   ► is why they're so damn inscrutable but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2468">TS</a>]

00:41:10 ◼   ► they were everywhere there was like 50 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2470">TS</a>]

00:41:12 ◼   ► of them on the screen and then they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2472">TS</a>]

00:41:13 ◼   ► would circle them all with pen and say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2473">TS</a>]

00:41:15 ◼   ► use this for this use this for this use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2475">TS</a>]

00:41:17 ◼   ► this for this use this for this use it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2477">TS</a>]

00:41:18 ◼   ► like no one's ever gonna remember that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2478">TS</a>]

00:41:20 ◼   ► no one's ever gonna read that no one's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2480">TS</a>]

00:41:22 ◼   ► ever gonna be able to figure out how to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2482">TS</a>]

00:41:23 ◼   ► bring it back and the reason you need it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2483">TS</a>]

00:41:25 ◼   ► is because without that overlay nobody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2485">TS</a>]

00:41:27 ◼   ► knows what any of those icons do because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2487">TS</a>]

00:41:28 ◼   ► there is no standardization for you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2488">TS</a>]

00:41:30 ◼   ► toolbars for common functionality and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2490">TS</a>]

00:41:32 ◼   ► it's somewhat like the Mac had the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2492">TS</a>]

00:41:34 ◼   ► luxury of not having the sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2494">TS</a>]

00:41:37 ◼   ► Cambrian explosion of applications that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2497">TS</a>]

00:41:39 ◼   ► iOS did because a lot of the conventions [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2499">TS</a>]

00:41:42 ◼   ► let's say in graphics applications on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2502">TS</a>]

00:41:43 ◼   ► the Mac it was like seeded by a Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2503">TS</a>]

00:41:46 ◼   ► Paint and evolved slowly through like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2506">TS</a>]

00:41:49 ◼   ► super paint and the Adobe applications [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2509">TS</a>]

00:41:51 ◼   ► to establish over the course of several [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2511">TS</a>]

00:41:54 ◼   ► important formative years the standard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2514">TS</a>]

00:41:57 ◼   ► language for tools and design [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2517">TS</a>]

00:41:59 ◼   ► applications if you see a little Mickey [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2519">TS</a>]

00:42:01 ◼   ► Mouse glove [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2521">TS</a>]

00:42:02 ◼   ► everyone knows that's like the grabber [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2522">TS</a>]

00:42:03 ◼   ► thing if you see a paint bucket with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2523">TS</a>]

00:42:06 ◼   ► paint pouring out of it everyone knows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2526">TS</a>]

00:42:07 ◼   ► what that does like I'm so glad that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2527">TS</a>]

00:42:10 ◼   ► know that those those widgets have you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2530">TS</a>]

00:42:12 ◼   ► know whoever owned the copyright on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2532">TS</a>]

00:42:14 ◼   ► first ones those didn't aggressively [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2534">TS</a>]

00:42:15 ◼   ► pursue it and say you can't use a paint [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2535">TS</a>]

00:42:16 ◼   ► bucket in your application because it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2536">TS</a>]

00:42:18 ◼   ► wasn't Adobe who did it first it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2538">TS</a>]

00:42:19 ◼   ► Apple and you know so anyway there is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2539">TS</a>]

00:42:22 ◼   ► design language within graphics [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2542">TS</a>]

00:42:24 ◼   ► applications that even if you use a new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2544">TS</a>]

00:42:26 ◼   ► graphics app you know where to find [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2546">TS</a>]

00:42:28 ◼   ► things but that's application level [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2548">TS</a>]

00:42:30 ◼   ► beyond that the help menu is a thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2550">TS</a>]

00:42:31 ◼   ► that Apple defines as the offender to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2551">TS</a>]

00:42:34 ◼   ► say there is a menu bar the main user in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2554">TS</a>]

00:42:36 ◼   ► this order the help system in this era [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2556">TS</a>]

00:42:39 ◼   ► of the Mac is this shape and in this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2559">TS</a>]

00:42:41 ◼   ► position and here's what you can expect [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2561">TS</a>]

00:42:43 ◼   ► to find on it or the menu bar itself the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2563">TS</a>]

00:42:45 ◼   ► fact that a menu bar exists applications [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2565">TS</a>]

00:42:47 ◼   ► didn't decide that the OS decided that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2567">TS</a>]

00:42:49 ◼   ► again not saying that iOS needs a menu [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2569">TS</a>]

00:42:51 ◼   ► bar but that the combination of the OS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2571">TS</a>]

00:42:55 ◼   ► and the applications develop a an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2575">TS</a>]

00:43:00 ◼   ► interface language that means when you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2580">TS</a>]

00:43:02 ◼   ► go from one really complicated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2582">TS</a>]

00:43:04 ◼   ► application to another really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2584">TS</a>]

00:43:06 ◼   ► complicated application you have a hope [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2586">TS</a>]

00:43:08 ◼   ► in hell of knowing how the second [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2588">TS</a>]

00:43:11 ◼   ► application works because hopefully it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2591">TS</a>]

00:43:13 ◼   ► works in some way similar to the first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2593">TS</a>]

00:43:14 ◼   ► one and the the model of iOS where the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2594">TS</a>]

00:43:17 ◼   ► application owns the entire screen makes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2597">TS</a>]

00:43:19 ◼   ► it very difficult to have any kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2599">TS</a>]

00:43:21 ◼   ► consistency yeah maybe the buttons look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2601">TS</a>]

00:43:23 ◼   ► the same and yeah maybe the little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2603">TS</a>]

00:43:24 ◼   ► pop-up dialog things look the same and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2604">TS</a>]

00:43:26 ◼   ► stuff but the application itself is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2606">TS</a>]

00:43:27 ◼   ► almost like games where they can design [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2607">TS</a>]

00:43:29 ◼   ► their own interface entirely and that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2609">TS</a>]

00:43:30 ◼   ► leads us down the path of Apple being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2610">TS</a>]

00:43:32 ◼   ► forced to put a hilarious [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2612">TS</a>]

00:43:34 ◼   ► you know football style telestrator [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2614">TS</a>]

00:43:37 ◼   ► markup illustration covering its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2617">TS</a>]

00:43:39 ◼   ► interface that no one's ever gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2619">TS</a>]

00:43:41 ◼   ► remember and then having a thing go away [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2621">TS</a>]

00:43:43 ◼   ► and having you look at a bunch of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2623">TS</a>]

00:43:44 ◼   ► hieroglyphics and go so I guess I'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2624">TS</a>]

00:43:46 ◼   ► just tap things randomly and see is this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2626">TS</a>]

00:43:48 ◼   ► crop tool is this the crop tool is just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2628">TS</a>]

00:43:50 ◼   ► I mean any crop tool they could just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2630">TS</a>]

00:43:53 ◼   ► steal the icon from from the desktop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2633">TS</a>]

00:43:55 ◼   ► applications but even that varies a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2635">TS</a>]

00:43:56 ◼   ► so I think iOS has a long way to go even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2636">TS</a>]

00:44:00 ◼   ► once we get over the design trend [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2640">TS</a>]

00:44:02 ◼   ► minimalism to have to realize the dream [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2642">TS</a>]

00:44:06 ◼   ► of the Mac that the the interface [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2646">TS</a>]

00:44:08 ◼   ► consistency allows you to understand how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2648">TS</a>]

00:44:10 ◼   ► a new application would work by reusing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2650">TS</a>]

00:44:12 ◼   ► knowledge about a previous application [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2652">TS</a>]

00:44:14 ◼   ► I mean I I'm not even sure that we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2654">TS</a>]

00:44:17 ◼   ► gonna have that again because the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2657">TS</a>]

00:44:20 ◼   ► companies and platforms these days are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2660">TS</a>]

00:44:22 ◼   ► just so much bigger than they used to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2662">TS</a>]

00:44:24 ◼   ► like you know we Apple is a huge company [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2664">TS</a>]

00:44:27 ◼   ► now way bigger than even you know five [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2667">TS</a>]

00:44:30 ◼   ► ten years ago when when they were doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2670">TS</a>]

00:44:33 ◼   ► a lot of these like initial iPhone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2673">TS</a>]

00:44:34 ◼   ► designs and everything they're way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2674">TS</a>]

00:44:36 ◼   ► bigger now there are way more apps [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2676">TS</a>]

00:44:37 ◼   ► there's way more departments and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2677">TS</a>]

00:44:39 ◼   ► divisions and services and apps and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2679">TS</a>]

00:44:42 ◼   ► platforms and everything else like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2682">TS</a>]

00:44:44 ◼   ► know the Apple watch looks nothing like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2684">TS</a>]

00:44:46 ◼   ► the rest of us Apple TV is a total is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2686">TS</a>]

00:44:49 ◼   ► whole different ballgame as well even on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2689">TS</a>]

00:44:51 ◼   ► iOS there there's tons of different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2691">TS</a>]

00:44:54 ◼   ► design languages like you have Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2694">TS</a>]

00:44:56 ◼   ► music you have maps you have some of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2696">TS</a>]

00:44:59 ◼   ► older stuff that wasn't really that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2699">TS</a>]

00:45:00 ◼   ► still kind of very iOS 70 like there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2700">TS</a>]

00:45:03 ◼   ► there's all these different designs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2703">TS</a>]

00:45:05 ◼   ► being followed now I'm not sure that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2705">TS</a>]

00:45:09 ◼   ► modern Apple that that it's realistic to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2709">TS</a>]

00:45:11 ◼   ► expect design coherency from them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2711">TS</a>]

00:45:15 ◼   ► they're just too big there's too many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2715">TS</a>]

00:45:16 ◼   ► things and and I think if there was any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2716">TS</a>]

00:45:19 ◼   ► chance of design coherency it would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2719">TS</a>]

00:45:22 ◼   ► happen now when design at Apple runs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2722">TS</a>]

00:45:26 ◼   ► Apple like there is no more powerful [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2726">TS</a>]

00:45:29 ◼   ► department in Apple right now than in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2729">TS</a>]

00:45:31 ◼   ► the design department they and they're a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2731">TS</a>]

00:45:33 ◼   ► company that heavily prioritizes design [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2733">TS</a>]

00:45:36 ◼   ► it like heavily you know funds it with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2736">TS</a>]

00:45:38 ◼   ► allocations of time and resources and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2738">TS</a>]

00:45:40 ◼   ► everything else like if anybody could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2740">TS</a>]

00:45:42 ◼   ► have a coherent design right now it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2742">TS</a>]

00:45:44 ◼   ► Apple and they don't I think the problem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2744">TS</a>]

00:45:46 ◼   ► set is just too big now I don't think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2746">TS</a>]

00:45:48 ◼   ► we're ever gonna see that kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2748">TS</a>]

00:45:50 ◼   ► coherence like what we used to have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2750">TS</a>]

00:45:51 ◼   ► again instead it's gonna be mostly left [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2751">TS</a>]

00:45:55 ◼   ► up to I think third parties to slowly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2755">TS</a>]

00:45:59 ◼   ► evolve standards over over time that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2759">TS</a>]

00:46:03 ◼   ► just kind of become you know the de [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2763">TS</a>]

00:46:05 ◼   ► facto standards and that's that's a much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2765">TS</a>]

00:46:08 ◼   ► Messier and slower process but I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2768">TS</a>]

00:46:10 ◼   ► that's that's kind of what's gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2770">TS</a>]

00:46:12 ◼   ► happen in reality I feel like the design [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2772">TS</a>]

00:46:14 ◼   ► department lately has not added any of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2774">TS</a>]

00:46:16 ◼   ► new sort of standardized controls or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2776">TS</a>]

00:46:19 ◼   ► standard you know standard interface [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2779">TS</a>]

00:46:20 ◼   ► elements they've mostly just been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2780">TS</a>]

00:46:21 ◼   ► dressing up the ones that are there it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2781">TS</a>]

00:46:24 ◼   ► not as if iOS doesn't have these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2784">TS</a>]

00:46:25 ◼   ► elements it doesn't again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2785">TS</a>]

00:46:28 ◼   ► the same ones doesn't have a menu bar [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2788">TS</a>]

00:46:29 ◼   ► but just to give an example I don't mark [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2789">TS</a>]

00:46:31 ◼   ► out what tell him at the class name as a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2791">TS</a>]

00:46:32 ◼   ► UI navigation controller the thing the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2792">TS</a>]

00:46:34 ◼   ► the right-left thing with the back and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2794">TS</a>]

00:46:36 ◼   ► done button I'm like that's been around [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2796">TS</a>]

00:46:38 ◼   ► since iOS since since iPhone OS 1.0 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2798">TS</a>]

00:46:41 ◼   ► iPhone OS firmware 1.0 like the fact [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2801">TS</a>]

00:46:44 ◼   ► that you have at the top of the screen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2804">TS</a>]

00:46:45 ◼   ► you had you know left-to-right sliding [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2805">TS</a>]

00:46:48 ◼   ► transition interface they used to have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2808">TS</a>]

00:46:50 ◼   ► the little arrow shape on it or whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2810">TS</a>]

00:46:51 ◼   ► that was a standard interface element [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2811">TS</a>]

00:46:54 ◼   ► that you know it was the same way any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2814">TS</a>]

00:46:56 ◼   ► standard interface element works hey you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2816">TS</a>]

00:46:58 ◼   ► don't have to write this GUI widget [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2818">TS</a>]

00:47:00 ◼   ► we've actually written it for you and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2820">TS</a>]

00:47:02 ◼   ► provides some important functionality so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2822">TS</a>]

00:47:04 ◼   ► now you don't have to worry about that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2824">TS</a>]

00:47:05 ◼   ► part of application if you decide you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2825">TS</a>]

00:47:06 ◼   ► want your application to be like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2826">TS</a>]

00:47:07 ◼   ► master/detail view and you and you go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2827">TS</a>]

00:47:09 ◼   ► into the right and out to the left and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2829">TS</a>]

00:47:11 ◼   ► you want to have cancel and done buttons [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2831">TS</a>]

00:47:12 ◼   ► or slightly like we've provided that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2832">TS</a>]

00:47:14 ◼   ► control for you so don't bother writing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2834">TS</a>]

00:47:15 ◼   ► it and by providing it for you we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2835">TS</a>]

00:47:17 ◼   ► standardized the interface so think of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2837">TS</a>]

00:47:19 ◼   ► all the applications from the day one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2839">TS</a>]

00:47:20 ◼   ► the iPhone that worked that way where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2840">TS</a>]

00:47:22 ◼   ► the top part of the screen was for you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2842">TS</a>]

00:47:24 ◼   ► to go back and forth and there was done [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2844">TS</a>]

00:47:25 ◼   ► and cancel buttons and arrows and stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2845">TS</a>]

00:47:26 ◼   ► like that that's a standard element that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2846">TS</a>]

00:47:29 ◼   ► interface element is still with us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2849">TS</a>]

00:47:31 ◼   ► despite the fact on top of our phone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2851">TS</a>]

00:47:32 ◼   ► it's like a mile and a half away now and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2852">TS</a>]

00:47:34 ◼   ► and in the iOS 7 days they've jammed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2854">TS</a>]

00:47:36 ◼   ► other crap up there like the little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2856">TS</a>]

00:47:38 ◼   ► arrow thing which is always look super [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2858">TS</a>]

00:47:39 ◼   ► weird from a aesthetic point of view [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2859">TS</a>]

00:47:41 ◼   ► that little tiny you know go back to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2861">TS</a>]

00:47:43 ◼   ► Safari we're just super convenient [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2863">TS</a>]

00:47:44 ◼   ► functionality wise but it shows that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2864">TS</a>]

00:47:46 ◼   ► didn't really anything but still that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2866">TS</a>]

00:47:48 ◼   ► one interface element does provide an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2868">TS</a>]

00:47:51 ◼   ► important degree of consistency across [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2871">TS</a>]

00:47:52 ◼   ► all applications not just apples because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2872">TS</a>]

00:47:55 ◼   ► it generally does look the same and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2875">TS</a>]

00:47:56 ◼   ► generally does kind of work the same and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2876">TS</a>]

00:47:57 ◼   ► people know to look and look up there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2877">TS</a>]

00:48:00 ◼   ► for stuff but again if there had really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2880">TS</a>]

00:48:03 ◼   ► been design innovation design being how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2883">TS</a>]

00:48:05 ◼   ► it works and not just how it looks at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2885">TS</a>]

00:48:07 ◼   ► some point you have to rethink the fact [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2887">TS</a>]

00:48:08 ◼   ► the top of the phone is really far away [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2888">TS</a>]

00:48:09 ◼   ► and at some point you have to think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2889">TS</a>]

00:48:12 ◼   ► about are there other standard interface [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2892">TS</a>]

00:48:15 ◼   ► elements that are appropriate and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2895">TS</a>]

00:48:16 ◼   ► age of twelve point nine inch iPads that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2896">TS</a>]

00:48:18 ◼   ► we should introduce standard removable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2898">TS</a>]

00:48:21 ◼   ► palettes or tab interfaces like in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2901">TS</a>]

00:48:23 ◼   ► Safari on the iPad or anything like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2903">TS</a>]

00:48:24 ◼   ► just any kind of standard interface [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2904">TS</a>]

00:48:27 ◼   ► element that other applications can use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2907">TS</a>]

00:48:28 ◼   ► that is appropriate for the modern iOS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2908">TS</a>]

00:48:31 ◼   ► usage the more of those they can produce [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2911">TS</a>]

00:48:33 ◼   ► including perhaps standard icons or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2913">TS</a>]

00:48:35 ◼   ► widgets for things like help or you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2915">TS</a>]

00:48:37 ◼   ► a quick way to get to settings for an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2917">TS</a>]

00:48:39 ◼   ► application from within an application [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2919">TS</a>]

00:48:41 ◼   ► if they don't want to give up on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2921">TS</a>]

00:48:42 ◼   ► whole idea of settings being a separate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2922">TS</a>]

00:48:43 ◼   ► app which I think it's also a dinosaur [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2923">TS</a>]

00:48:45 ◼   ► of a bygone era of much less RAM usage [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2925">TS</a>]

00:48:48 ◼   ► and also the whole you know we don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2928">TS</a>]

00:48:50 ◼   ► want anything in our application so hide [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2930">TS</a>]

00:48:51 ◼   ► all the complexity into another [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2931">TS</a>]

00:48:53 ◼   ► application that never worked by the way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2933">TS</a>]

00:48:55 ◼   ► yeah a lot of stuff needs to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2935">TS</a>]

00:48:57 ◼   ► rethought about the design of iOS and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2937">TS</a>]

00:48:59 ◼   ► almost none of it has to do with what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2939">TS</a>]

00:49:00 ◼   ► applications look like I feel like we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2940">TS</a>]

00:49:02 ◼   ► need we need more we need more help from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2942">TS</a>]

00:49:06 ◼   ► the the OS and the foundational classes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2946">TS</a>]

00:49:09 ◼   ► to get to the next level of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2949">TS</a>]

00:49:12 ◼   ► functionality on iOS applications I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2952">TS</a>]

00:49:14 ◼   ► think that's mostly true I think to go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2954">TS</a>]

00:49:16 ◼   ► back a step though part of the reason [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2956">TS</a>]

00:49:18 ◼   ► that I think we haven't standardized on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2958">TS</a>]

00:49:20 ◼   ► anyone like design or anyone like a set [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2960">TS</a>]

00:49:24 ◼   ► of iconography is because it didn't take [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2964">TS</a>]

00:49:27 ◼   ► long in my recollection starting you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2967">TS</a>]

00:49:29 ◼   ► know with iPhone OS 2 it wasn't too long [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2969">TS</a>]

00:49:32 ◼   ► after that that it became kind of blase [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2972">TS</a>]

00:49:37 ◼   ► 2 or maybe that's not the word I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2977">TS</a>]

00:49:39 ◼   ► looking for but kind of gross to use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2979">TS</a>]

00:49:40 ◼   ► vanilla UI kit for most of your app and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2980">TS</a>]

00:49:44 ◼   ► I think that there's plenty of vanilla [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2984">TS</a>]

00:49:47 ◼   ► UI kit controls in any app but I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2987">TS</a>]

00:49:49 ◼   ► looking at overcast is a great example [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2989">TS</a>]

00:49:51 ◼   ► there's plenty of Anila UI kit there but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2991">TS</a>]

00:49:53 ◼   ► so much of it is hidden in so many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2993">TS</a>]

00:49:56 ◼   ► different custom controls I mean look at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2996">TS</a>]

00:49:58 ◼   ► the card interface Marco that you were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2998">TS</a>]

00:49:59 ◼   ► rolling for a long time like that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2999">TS</a>]

00:50:02 ◼   ► completely and utterly custom and from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3002">TS</a>]

00:50:04 ◼   ► what you said on the show and from what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3004">TS</a>]

00:50:05 ◼   ► I've heard elsewhere you know you bent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3005">TS</a>]

00:50:06 ◼   ► over backwards to do it and we can have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3006">TS</a>]

00:50:08 ◼   ► a different discussion another time as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3008">TS</a>]

00:50:10 ◼   ► to whether or not that was wise but the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3010">TS</a>]

00:50:11 ◼   ► fact of the matter that I'm driving [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3011">TS</a>]

00:50:12 ◼   ► toward is that for better or worse one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3012">TS</a>]

00:50:15 ◼   ► way or another in order to stand out on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3015">TS</a>]

00:50:17 ◼   ► this ever more crowded App Store you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3017">TS</a>]

00:50:19 ◼   ► need to have a more and more custom UI [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3019">TS</a>]

00:50:23 ◼   ► or at least in most cases that's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3023">TS</a>]

00:50:26 ◼   ► case I'm sure you could well actually me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3026">TS</a>]

00:50:28 ◼   ► to death on this one but it seems to me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3028">TS</a>]

00:50:30 ◼   ► that your average consumer be it design [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3030">TS</a>]

00:50:32 ◼   ► minded or otherwise tends to like things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3032">TS</a>]

00:50:35 ◼   ► that are very opinionated and somewhat [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3035">TS</a>]

00:50:37 ◼   ► different I mean look at tweet bot is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3037">TS</a>]

00:50:38 ◼   ► great example of that I wouldn't say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3038">TS</a>]

00:50:40 ◼   ► that I see a whole lot of vanilla UI [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3040">TS</a>]

00:50:41 ◼   ► Canton tweet bot but I would say that it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3041">TS</a>]

00:50:44 ◼   ► looks like it belongs on the platform [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3044">TS</a>]

00:50:46 ◼   ► and it looks like it has its own [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3046">TS</a>]

00:50:49 ◼   ► personality and I would say the same of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3049">TS</a>]

00:50:50 ◼   ► overcast actually and so I think because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3050">TS</a>]

00:50:52 ◼   ► everyone was branching out in their own [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3052">TS</a>]

00:50:54 ◼   ► direction everyone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3054">TS</a>]

00:50:54 ◼   ► creating their own personal or perhaps [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3054">TS</a>]

00:50:57 ◼   ► company-wide you know conventions and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3057">TS</a>]

00:51:00 ◼   ► things I think that may be why we've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3060">TS</a>]

00:51:02 ◼   ► splintered in so many different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3062">TS</a>]

00:51:03 ◼   ► directions and that kind of bums me out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3063">TS</a>]

00:51:06 ◼   ► partially because I'm really bad at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3066">TS</a>]

00:51:07 ◼   ► customizing you like it to do weird [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3067">TS</a>]

00:51:09 ◼   ► things like Marco does but uh but it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3069">TS</a>]

00:51:12 ◼   ► it's understandable nevertheless because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3072">TS</a>]

00:51:14 ◼   ► in this evermore crowded space you need [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3074">TS</a>]

00:51:16 ◼   ► to do something to stand out well you do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3076">TS</a>]

00:51:18 ◼   ► need to be differentiated but that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3078">TS</a>]

00:51:20 ◼   ► separate from do you need to do like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3080">TS</a>]

00:51:22 ◼   ► super custom controls like I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3082">TS</a>]

00:51:24 ◼   ► that's part of the skill of making an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3084">TS</a>]

00:51:26 ◼   ► application in any platform is use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3086">TS</a>]

00:51:29 ◼   ► standard controls but add some kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3089">TS</a>]

00:51:32 ◼   ► branding and flair to them and and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3092">TS</a>]

00:51:34 ◼   ► think every application also needs at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3094">TS</a>]

00:51:35 ◼   ► least one or two unique interface [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3095">TS</a>]

00:51:37 ◼   ► elements because it historically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3097">TS</a>]

00:51:39 ◼   ► advances in the sort of quote/unquote [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3099">TS</a>]

00:51:41 ◼   ► standard UI have very often come from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3101">TS</a>]

00:51:43 ◼   ► third parties like the first you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3103">TS</a>]

00:51:45 ◼   ► just look at pull-to-refresh for crying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3105">TS</a>]

00:51:47 ◼   ► out loud on iOS but I was gonna do is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3107">TS</a>]

00:51:49 ◼   ► bunch of old Mac examples granted Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3109">TS</a>]

00:51:51 ◼   ► paint seeded a lot of the the DNA of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3111">TS</a>]

00:51:55 ◼   ► graphic applications across all GUI [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3115">TS</a>]

00:51:56 ◼   ► platforms but subsequent applications [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3116">TS</a>]

00:51:59 ◼   ► like you know illustrator and super [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3119">TS</a>]

00:52:02 ◼   ► paint and and Photoshop especially had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3122">TS</a>]

00:52:05 ◼   ► their own innovations in UI that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3125">TS</a>]

00:52:09 ◼   ► informed the whole rest of the the genre [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3129">TS</a>]

00:52:13 ◼   ► um and in the best case new interface [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3133">TS</a>]

00:52:16 ◼   ► elements whether they be tabs or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3136">TS</a>]

00:52:18 ◼   ► whatever you know should eventually be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3138">TS</a>]

00:52:20 ◼   ► co-opted by the OS and become standard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3140">TS</a>]

00:52:25 ◼   ► control so I'm not saying Apple has to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3145">TS</a>]

00:52:26 ◼   ► do it all but I think you can get away [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3146">TS</a>]

00:52:28 ◼   ► with having an application that is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3148">TS</a>]

00:52:30 ◼   ► hundred percent standard controls with a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3150">TS</a>]

00:52:33 ◼   ► little bit of flair plus one or two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3153">TS</a>]

00:52:36 ◼   ► things that totally don't look like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3156">TS</a>]

00:52:37 ◼   ► standard controls even if they are under [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3157">TS</a>]

00:52:39 ◼   ► the covers that they give you want your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3159">TS</a>]

00:52:41 ◼   ► app to have personality right like tweet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3161">TS</a>]

00:52:43 ◼   ► bot has a personality and you wanted to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3163">TS</a>]

00:52:46 ◼   ► have some some kind of differentiating [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3166">TS</a>]

00:52:48 ◼   ► thing like oh this is this feature the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3168">TS</a>]

00:52:49 ◼   ► only this application has this UI [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3169">TS</a>]

00:52:51 ◼   ► element is fun to use flicking the thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3171">TS</a>]

00:52:53 ◼   ► away or whatever and if that's really a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3173">TS</a>]

00:52:55 ◼   ► great idea [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3175">TS</a>]

00:52:56 ◼   ► a couple years down the line Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3176">TS</a>]

00:52:58 ◼   ► should adapt the iOS interface say oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3178">TS</a>]

00:53:01 ◼   ► here's a way you can pop up sort of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3181">TS</a>]

00:53:03 ◼   ► thing on the screen and people can flick [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3183">TS</a>]

00:53:04 ◼   ► it away in a like physics-based you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3184">TS</a>]

00:53:06 ◼   ► fun kind of way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3186">TS</a>]

00:53:07 ◼   ► if so many applications do that that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3187">TS</a>]

00:53:09 ◼   ► should be a standard type thing and that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3189">TS</a>]

00:53:12 ◼   ► that should be the feedback cycle I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3192">TS</a>]

00:53:13 ◼   ► don't think you need to go even on iOS I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3193">TS</a>]

00:53:16 ◼   ► don't think you need to go whole hog and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3196">TS</a>]

00:53:17 ◼   ► say everything I do is custom it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3197">TS</a>]

00:53:20 ◼   ► basically a game like every one of my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3200">TS</a>]

00:53:22 ◼   ► controls awesome because that's like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3202">TS</a>]

00:53:25 ◼   ► said it's too much differentiation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3205">TS</a>]

00:53:26 ◼   ► because maybe like people still do like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3206">TS</a>]

00:53:29 ◼   ► that but you're in for a world of hurt [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3209">TS</a>]

00:53:30 ◼   ► and I think it's not necessary you do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3210">TS</a>]

00:53:33 ◼   ► want people to notice you but you don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3213">TS</a>]

00:53:35 ◼   ► need to like reinvent everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3215">TS</a>]

00:53:39 ◼   ► especially with the flexibility Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3219">TS</a>]

00:53:41 ◼   ► gives you in most modern UI Kate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3221">TS</a>]

00:53:43 ◼   ► controls you can really customize them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3223">TS</a>]

00:53:44 ◼   ► to look almost nothing like what they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3224">TS</a>]

00:53:45 ◼   ► what you would think they look like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3225">TS</a>]

00:53:47 ◼   ► generic things like the collection [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3227">TS</a>]

00:53:49 ◼   ► abused and stuff where you have a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3229">TS</a>]

00:53:50 ◼   ► control over exactly what is drawn on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3230">TS</a>]

00:53:51 ◼   ► the screen like you can make a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3231">TS</a>]

00:53:53 ◼   ► collection view into something that no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3233">TS</a>]

00:53:55 ◼   ► longer resembles a collection view at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3235">TS</a>]

00:53:56 ◼   ► all with some cleverness right so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3236">TS</a>]

00:53:59 ◼   ► think I think app developers have the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3239">TS</a>]

00:54:04 ◼   ► freedom to be differentiable staying on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3244">TS</a>]

00:54:05 ◼   ► standard controls but I still think it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3245">TS</a>]

00:54:07 ◼   ► on Apple to see what's out there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3247">TS</a>]

00:54:09 ◼   ► see what's popular see what's works and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3249">TS</a>]

00:54:11 ◼   ► come up with some of their own [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3251">TS</a>]

00:54:13 ◼   ► innovations to give a better pallet of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3253">TS</a>]

00:54:16 ◼   ► tools in the end the interface builder [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3256">TS</a>]

00:54:18 ◼   ► sense even if nobody uses that in iOS - [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3258">TS</a>]

00:54:21 ◼   ► I wouldn't say that I wouldn't say that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3261">TS</a>]

00:54:23 ◼   ► well I don't know it's popular these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3263">TS</a>]

00:54:24 ◼   ► days with the kids but - to be able to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3264">TS</a>]

00:54:26 ◼   ► say I'm gonna make the next great iPad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3266">TS</a>]

00:54:30 ◼   ► graphics application of which there are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3270">TS</a>]

00:54:31 ◼   ► many and but I you know I don't want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3271">TS</a>]

00:54:36 ◼   ► have to invent everything from all cloth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3276">TS</a>]

00:54:38 ◼   ► I want to you know I want Apple to help [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3278">TS</a>]

00:54:41 ◼   ► me here by saying oh are you gonna have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3281">TS</a>]

00:54:43 ◼   ► floating palettes in your graphics [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3283">TS</a>]

00:54:45 ◼   ► application but we have a standard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3285">TS</a>]

00:54:46 ◼   ► control for that because everyone seems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3286">TS</a>]

00:54:47 ◼   ► to be making their own all the way down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3287">TS</a>]

00:54:49 ◼   ► to all the little experiments speaking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3289">TS</a>]

00:54:50 ◼   ► of Steve trout and Smith earlier of like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3290">TS</a>]

00:54:52 ◼   ► floating with quote/unquote Windows or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3292">TS</a>]

00:54:53 ◼   ► whatever stuff like that if it comes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3293">TS</a>]

00:54:56 ◼   ► from a third-party application first and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3296">TS</a>]

00:54:57 ◼   ► its popular fine but that's exactly the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3297">TS</a>]

00:55:00 ◼   ► type of stuff that Apple should be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3300">TS</a>]

00:55:01 ◼   ► looking into trying to figure out a more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3301">TS</a>]

00:55:04 ◼   ► sophisticated bucket of parts for people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3304">TS</a>]

00:55:06 ◼   ► to build their fancy iOS applications [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3306">TS</a>]

00:55:09 ◼   ► out of yeah and I think it's it's also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3309">TS</a>]

00:55:11 ◼   ► worth pointing out like the timing of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3311">TS</a>]

00:55:13 ◼   ► talking about this now I think is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3313">TS</a>]

00:55:15 ◼   ► interesting because the iPhone 10 I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3315">TS</a>]

00:55:18 ◼   ► think really changes a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3318">TS</a>]

00:55:21 ◼   ► how things in iOS should be designed you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3321">TS</a>]

00:55:24 ◼   ► know again it's this isn't news I'll go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3324">TS</a>]

00:55:26 ◼   ► boy I'll be quick but like we have now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3326">TS</a>]

00:55:28 ◼   ► like culminated this this this trend [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3328">TS</a>]

00:55:31 ◼   ► that we've been going on for a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3331">TS</a>]

00:55:32 ◼   ► while now with the plus phones we're now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3332">TS</a>]

00:55:35 ◼   ► a lot of iOS interfaces have critical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3335">TS</a>]

00:55:40 ◼   ► functions and buttons and things on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3340">TS</a>]

00:55:42 ◼   ► top area of the screen which is now very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3342">TS</a>]

00:55:45 ◼   ► hard to reach for a lot of people a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3345">TS</a>]

00:55:48 ◼   ► of the time on a lot of devices and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3348">TS</a>]

00:55:51 ◼   ► this is like a fundamental thing that so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3351">TS</a>]

00:55:55 ◼   ► much of iOS design has been based on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3355">TS</a>]

00:55:58 ◼   ► putting important controls in those top [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3358">TS</a>]

00:56:00 ◼   ► corners and now that should be rethought [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3360">TS</a>]

00:56:03 ◼   ► I'm sure Apple is feeling this too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3363">TS</a>]

00:56:06 ◼   ► I'm sure they are thinking about this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3366">TS</a>]

00:56:07 ◼   ► and are hopefully working on this but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3367">TS</a>]

00:56:12 ◼   ► this is also a time where they have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3372">TS</a>]

00:56:14 ◼   ► lot of software quality problems that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3374">TS</a>]

00:56:15 ◼   ► they have to like slow down on the like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3375">TS</a>]

00:56:18 ◼   ► move forward aggressively side of things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3378">TS</a>]

00:56:20 ◼   ► to let the quality catch up really we've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3380">TS</a>]

00:56:25 ◼   ► heard rumblings here and there that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3385">TS</a>]

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