The Accidental Tech Podcast

01:00:00 ◼   ► late for to-do item because you want to [TS]

01:00:02 ◼   ► do it at a particular time depending on [TS]

01:00:03 ◼   ► how you view things how many you just [TS]

01:00:05 ◼   ► use one calendar KC way to use I use a [TS]

01:00:09 ◼   ► shared Google Calendar that is off of my [TS]

01:00:13 ◼   ► gmail account that Aaron and I share and [TS]

01:00:16 ◼   ► that is the canonical family calendar [TS]

01:00:20 ◼   ► that being said anything that happens [TS]

01:00:22 ◼   ► during the workday or anything that for [TS]

01:00:24 ◼   ► some reason I don't want Aaron to see [TS]

01:00:25 ◼   ► like maybe I've booked a time to go buy [TS]

01:00:27 ◼   ► her a gift or something like that like [TS]

01:00:29 ◼   ► that's the only thing I can think of [TS]

01:00:30 ◼   ► that I wouldn't want her to see or maybe [TS]

01:00:32 ◼   ► something that's irrelevant to her that [TS]

01:00:35 ◼   ► goes on my work calendar just because [TS]

01:00:37 ◼   ► he's going to the Tesla dealership [TS]

01:00:39 ◼   ► exactly right how did you know but but [TS]

01:00:43 ◼   ► yes so basically the Google Calendar [TS]

01:00:45 ◼   ► that's associated with my gmail account [TS]

01:00:47 ◼   ► well strictly speaking my Google Apps [TS]

01:00:49 ◼   ► for my domain account that is a shared [TS]

01:00:51 ◼   ► calendar that that she has on her phone [TS]

01:00:54 ◼   ► that she has on her computer that's [TS]

01:00:55 ◼   ► everywhere that is the canonical list [TS]

01:00:57 ◼   ► family calendar and then anything that [TS]

01:00:59 ◼   ► is basically basically anything that [TS]

01:01:01 ◼   ► happens during the workday or for some [TS]

01:01:03 ◼   ► reason I don't want her to be burdened [TS]

01:01:04 ◼   ► with that is on my work calendar what is [TS]

01:01:07 ◼   ► your work calendar its Google Apps but [TS]

01:01:11 ◼   ► it's all Google yeah it's Google [TS]

01:01:12 ◼   ► everywhere so I also have a separate [TS]

01:01:14 ◼   ► work calendar it's not Google because my [TS]

01:01:16 ◼   ► work doesn't use Google at work out look [TS]

01:01:20 ◼   ► whatever exchange and I don't I think [TS]

01:01:22 ◼   ► that's split I like that split I like [TS]

01:01:24 ◼   ► not having my work calendar messed with [TS]

01:01:25 ◼   ► my family code most ago than my work [TS]

01:01:27 ◼   ► calendar is totally bonkers like is just [TS]

01:01:30 ◼   ► massively booked and oversubscribed and [TS]

01:01:32 ◼   ► I would never want that noise in my life [TS]

01:01:33 ◼   ► right and then the life calendar is less [TS]

01:01:37 ◼   ► and there's a split the market but it's [TS]

01:01:39 ◼   ► pretty much the same split that I use [TS]

01:01:40 ◼   ► like on the family calendar it's you [TS]

01:01:44 ◼   ► know podcast recording I would put [TS]

01:01:48 ◼   ► plumber on the calendar it would be an [TS]

01:01:50 ◼   ► all-day item and then reminders are if [TS]

01:01:54 ◼   ► I'm doing something off the normal [TS]

01:01:56 ◼   ► schedule I do put what I do put what [TS]

01:01:59 ◼   ► time I have to leave work on my work [TS]

01:02:01 ◼   ► calendar I do put what time I have to [TS]

01:02:03 ◼   ► leave home on my home calendar for days [TS]

01:02:05 ◼   ► where that is different than normal [TS]

01:02:07 ◼   ► right so if I have to write if I have a [TS]

01:02:10 ◼   ► very early meeting and I want to remind [TS]

01:02:12 ◼   ► myself don't [TS]

01:02:13 ◼   ► yet today you have a early meeting you [TS]

01:02:14 ◼   ► actually have to be working or earlier [TS]

01:02:15 ◼   ► than you normally are I put that on my [TS]

01:02:17 ◼   ► home calendar early in the morning and [TS]

01:02:20 ◼   ► if I have to leave work early to like a [TS]

01:02:21 ◼   ► parent-teacher conference I put that in [TS]

01:02:23 ◼   ► my work calendar which is weird like I [TS]

01:02:24 ◼   ► was thinking about for the to-do apps as [TS]

01:02:26 ◼   ► well and when I use reminders I'm a lot [TS]

01:02:29 ◼   ► of time I'm choosing a system based on [TS]

01:02:31 ◼   ► where I think I'll be when I'll need [TS]

01:02:33 ◼   ► this information and what I think I'll [TS]

01:02:34 ◼   ► be doing if I think my phone will be [TS]

01:02:35 ◼   ► with me reminders is a candidate because [TS]

01:02:37 ◼   ► that's where I'm gonna see it but if I [TS]

01:02:38 ◼   ► think I won't have my phone if I put in [TS]

01:02:40 ◼   ► reminders not gonna do me any good [TS]

01:02:41 ◼   ► you know if I'm if I'm someplace where I [TS]

01:02:43 ◼   ► don't have that and that's the homework [TS]

01:02:46 ◼   ► calendar split is I don't want to look [TS]

01:02:48 ◼   ► at my work calendar at home and I do [TS]

01:02:50 ◼   ► look at my home calendar at work which [TS]

01:02:51 ◼   ► you requires some combining of stuff but [TS]

01:02:54 ◼   ► for the to do stuff like marker said [TS]

01:02:55 ◼   ► with the multiple applications that are [TS]

01:02:57 ◼   ► you know task specific I just got done [TS]

01:03:01 ◼   ► asking for the ability to say like Oh [TS]

01:03:03 ◼   ► reminding you whatever and have you use [TS]

01:03:04 ◼   ► a single app the next logical step and [TS]

01:03:06 ◼   ► that is to have it understand you well [TS]

01:03:08 ◼   ► enough to know when you ask to add [TS]

01:03:10 ◼   ► something to your shopping list that it [TS]

01:03:12 ◼   ► means this Apple when you when you say [TS]

01:03:14 ◼   ► something about the trash it means that [TS]

01:03:15 ◼   ► app right these are all within the realm [TS]

01:03:18 ◼   ► of reason because these are a fairly [TS]

01:03:20 ◼   ► narrow problem demands and also within [TS]

01:03:21 ◼   ► the realm of you know Apple's favorite [TS]

01:03:23 ◼   ► thing machine learning where if you keep [TS]

01:03:25 ◼   ► talking about the trash it should [TS]

01:03:27 ◼   ► eventually like learn or ask you when [TS]

01:03:28 ◼   ► your actual trash day is and you should [TS]

01:03:31 ◼   ► be able to say increasingly offhand and [TS]

01:03:34 ◼   ► casual things which result in the [TS]

01:03:37 ◼   ► correct being reminded at the correct [TS]

01:03:38 ◼   ► time because it has some context in [TS]

01:03:40 ◼   ► history about what you've done in the [TS]

01:03:41 ◼   ► past we're not asking for how bind [TS]

01:03:43 ◼   ► thousand here I think all this is within [TS]

01:03:46 ◼   ► the grass but it's the stuff that [TS]

01:03:47 ◼   ► probably Google probably already knows [TS]

01:03:49 ◼   ► about us from like monitoring all our [TS]

01:03:50 ◼   ► activities through its various [TS]

01:03:51 ◼   ► applications and stuff I [TS]

01:03:54 ◼   ► I would love for those systems to get [TS]

01:03:55 ◼   ► just a little tiny bit smarter so Marco [TS]

01:03:58 ◼   ► how long until you write your own is [TS]

01:04:00 ◼   ► really what we all want to know that is [TS]

01:04:03 ◼   ► not an unreasonable question it would be [TS]

01:04:06 ◼   ► totally my style to get upset with all [TS]

01:04:08 ◼   ► the options and just write my own but [TS]

01:04:10 ◼   ► honestly I don't think that's going to [TS]

01:04:13 ◼   ► happen I you know there's first of all [TS]

01:04:15 ◼   ► there's limited time in the day and it's [TS]

01:04:17 ◼   ► a little bit of a crowded market perhaps [TS]

01:04:19 ◼   ► honestly it well it isn't because [TS]

01:04:22 ◼   ► there's only so many they're actually [TS]

01:04:24 ◼   ► decent [TS]

01:04:25 ◼   ► but the [TS]

01:04:26 ◼   ► problem is that for this is kind of a [TS]

01:04:28 ◼   ► similar problem that that that you know [TS]

01:04:30 ◼   ► John Gruber and Brent Simmons and Dave [TS]

01:04:31 ◼   ► whiskas had with Vesper yeah is that to [TS]

01:04:34 ◼   ► enter this market in a competitive way [TS]

01:04:37 ◼   ► that's that's useful to a lot of people [TS]

01:04:38 ◼   ► you really need to be on like all of the [TS]

01:04:41 ◼   ► Apple platforms at once at launch and [TS]

01:04:43 ◼   ► that's really hard for any India to do [TS]

01:04:46 ◼   ► these days like I'm not gonna use as do [TS]

01:04:49 ◼   ► a to-do app that is not on my Mac and my [TS]

01:04:53 ◼   ► iPhone and my iPad and a lot of people [TS]

01:04:56 ◼   ► are also gonna need a watch app that's [TS]

01:04:57 ◼   ► getting really like the barrier is just [TS]

01:05:00 ◼   ► so high that it is certainly possible [TS]

01:05:02 ◼   ► for people to do it and there's gonna be [TS]

01:05:04 ◼   ► certainly some people who are totally [TS]

01:05:06 ◼   ► fine to have it say only on their phone [TS]

01:05:08 ◼   ► That's not me and that's not it's not [TS]

01:05:10 ◼   ► many people unfortunately and so in [TS]

01:05:13 ◼   ► order to make a good to do a that's [TS]

01:05:14 ◼   ► actually competitive you really need to [TS]

01:05:17 ◼   ► launch on all those platforms at once [TS]

01:05:20 ◼   ► and that's just really a massive amount [TS]

01:05:24 ◼   ► of work that I don't think I'm ever [TS]

01:05:26 ◼   ► gonna have [TS]

01:05:27 ◼   ► not only the bandwidth to do but also [TS]

01:05:28 ◼   ► like I don't have the passion for this [TS]

01:05:30 ◼   ► market at all I'm happy to use these [TS]

01:05:33 ◼   ► apps and talk about them once on a [TS]

01:05:34 ◼   ► podcast for 30 minutes but I really [TS]

01:05:37 ◼   ► don't think I'm going to fall in love [TS]

01:05:39 ◼   ► with to do app systems and suddenly want [TS]

01:05:41 ◼   ► to make my own enough to actually be [TS]

01:05:45 ◼   ► willing to devote the massive amount of [TS]

01:05:47 ◼   ► time it would take to make apps for all [TS]

01:05:50 ◼   ► these platforms to make it actually [TS]

01:05:51 ◼   ► useful [TS]

01:05:52 ◼   ► so another this actually reduces the [TS]

01:05:54 ◼   ► amount of work but it does is a novel [TS]

01:05:56 ◼   ► approach to reducing the apparent [TS]

01:05:58 ◼   ► footprint on all the different platforms [TS]

01:06:00 ◼   ► is the approach that I think I think [TS]

01:06:01 ◼   ► Google is taking this approach I'm sure [TS]

01:06:03 ◼   ► other apps have done it as well where [TS]

01:06:04 ◼   ► you decide that the problem you're [TS]

01:06:06 ◼   ► solving well you know whatever ever is [TS]

01:06:08 ◼   ► to do laptops or whatever you're going [TS]

01:06:10 ◼   ► to implement that entirely server-side [TS]

01:06:12 ◼   ► and with some smart somewhere right and [TS]

01:06:14 ◼   ► that the interface to those smarts will [TS]

01:06:17 ◼   ► be something that is not directly [TS]

01:06:20 ◼   ► connected with a task so in the Google [TS]

01:06:21 ◼   ► in Google's case like I forget what is [TS]

01:06:23 ◼   ► it was it a low or something like they [TS]

01:06:25 ◼   ► basically had a chat app it's bubbles of [TS]

01:06:27 ◼   ► text it's you versus the thing you're [TS]

01:06:28 ◼   ► communicating with and that chat app can [TS]

01:06:31 ◼   ► be used to chat with any person or thing [TS]

01:06:33 ◼   ► there's nothing in the chat app that is [TS]

01:06:35 ◼   ► specific to the problem so you if you [TS]

01:06:37 ◼   ► have the chat app on all the different [TS]

01:06:38 ◼   ► platforms that [TS]

01:06:39 ◼   ► is on your watch it's on your phone it's [TS]

01:06:41 ◼   ► on your Mac or whatever you just write [TS]

01:06:43 ◼   ► that chat app once and then what you're [TS]

01:06:44 ◼   ► conversing with is a series of [TS]

01:06:47 ◼   ► intelligent agents that know how to do [TS]

01:06:48 ◼   ► certain kinds of things and so then you [TS]

01:06:51 ◼   ► implement your to-do app entirely [TS]

01:06:52 ◼   ► server-side and then when you want to do [TS]

01:06:55 ◼   ► your next app which is like you know a [TS]

01:06:57 ◼   ► shopping list it's the same sort of [TS]

01:07:00 ◼   ► interface with the chat type thing or [TS]

01:07:02 ◼   ► speaking or whatever like getting [TS]

01:07:03 ◼   ► getting closer to the idea of not [TS]

01:07:05 ◼   ► looking at pictures and screens and [TS]

01:07:06 ◼   ► poking in them but they're having sort [TS]

01:07:08 ◼   ► of an assistant in helps you with things [TS]

01:07:09 ◼   ► obviously writing the assistant is much [TS]

01:07:11 ◼   ► harder even harder than writing an [TS]

01:07:13 ◼   ► application for all the different [TS]

01:07:14 ◼   ► platforms but that is it's an [TS]

01:07:16 ◼   ► interesting approach to these kinds of [TS]

01:07:18 ◼   ► problems where you're never gonna make [TS]

01:07:22 ◼   ► one user interface or one way of [TS]

01:07:23 ◼   ► organizing that works best but if you [TS]

01:07:25 ◼   ► can make one kind of reasonably fake [TS]

01:07:28 ◼   ► intelligent agent that learns based on [TS]

01:07:30 ◼   ► your habits in some reasonable way it [TS]

01:07:34 ◼   ► could be you know it could be a better [TS]

01:07:38 ◼   ► actually a better experience to be able [TS]

01:07:39 ◼   ► to go back and forth the thing with over [TS]

01:07:43 ◼   ► text invoice and eventually it's sort of [TS]

01:07:46 ◼   ► like having your own very primitive [TS]

01:07:50 ◼   ► personal assistant who in the beginning [TS]

01:07:52 ◼   ► doesn't really know how you like things [TS]

01:07:53 ◼   ► done but eventually learns and that [TS]

01:07:55 ◼   ► could be better than any really nice [TS]

01:07:57 ◼   ► interface that you make on all the [TS]

01:07:58 ◼   ► different platforms and potentially [TS]

01:08:00 ◼   ► easier to maintain because once you've [TS]

01:08:01 ◼   ► mastered that interface whether it's [TS]

01:08:02 ◼   ► faceless talking or just like a chat [TS]

01:08:04 ◼   ► type interface you don't need to revisit [TS]

01:08:06 ◼   ► that that much another angle I [TS]

01:08:08 ◼   ► considered when I when I was thinking [TS]

01:08:10 ◼   ► like should I make my own one of these [TS]

01:08:12 ◼   ► or not is that the reminders like we've [TS]

01:08:16 ◼   ► seen a lot of apps over the last couple [TS]

01:08:18 ◼   ► years that are basically like better [TS]

01:08:21 ◼   ► interfaces to the built-in Apple [TS]

01:08:25 ◼   ► calendar fantastical is number one and [TS]

01:08:28 ◼   ► it's been and I use phantastic owl for [TS]

01:08:30 ◼   ► all of my event entry on the Mac but I [TS]

01:08:33 ◼   ► still use calendar for the for the [TS]

01:08:34 ◼   ► browsing of it but I use for the Xcode [TS]

01:08:36 ◼   ► for entry it's wonderful iCal or rather [TS]

01:08:38 ◼   ► calendar does have a somewhat [TS]

01:08:42 ◼   ► fantastical like natural language entry [TS]

01:08:44 ◼   ► field in recent versions of OS 10 sorry [TS]

01:08:46 ◼   ► if Mac OS but it's not nearly as good so [TS]

01:08:49 ◼   ► I don't use it but the same API exists [TS]

01:08:52 ◼   ► for [TS]

01:08:53 ◼   ► reminders database so one way someone [TS]

01:08:56 ◼   ► could tackle this market I don't know if [TS]

01:08:57 ◼   ► anybody has really in a serious way but [TS]

01:09:00 ◼   ► you could just make a nicer interface to [TS]

01:09:03 ◼   ► the built-in reminders database I don't [TS]

01:09:06 ◼   ► know what the limitations that would be [TS]

01:09:08 ◼   ► I'm sure it's not gonna be nearly as [TS]

01:09:10 ◼   ► full-featured as if you make your own [TS]

01:09:12 ◼   ► database and run your own service but [TS]

01:09:14 ◼   ► that is one way you could do this where [TS]

01:09:16 ◼   ► like if you first just tackle like just [TS]

01:09:19 ◼   ► the Mac first or just iOS first with our [TS]

01:09:21 ◼   ► really nice interface to the reminders [TS]

01:09:23 ◼   ► database maybe that's the way you could [TS]

01:09:25 ◼   ► do it more incrementally but again this [TS]

01:09:27 ◼   ► is not this is not a market that I feel [TS]

01:09:29 ◼   ► passionate enough about to spend my time [TS]

01:09:32 ◼   ► on and unfortunately if you wanted to be [TS]

01:09:35 ◼   ► differentiated in this market which I [TS]

01:09:36 ◼   ► still think is crowded yes there are the [TS]

01:09:38 ◼   ► good ones but there is such a long tail [TS]

01:09:40 ◼   ► of mediocre to bad ones that someone [TS]

01:09:42 ◼   ► somewhere loves right I'm sure because [TS]

01:09:45 ◼   ► the tail is so long that someone has [TS]

01:09:47 ◼   ► already done this but when you were [TS]

01:09:48 ◼   ► talking about and when other people talk [TS]

01:09:49 ◼   ► about these a million to do apps and how [TS]

01:09:51 ◼   ► they do one thing you like but not some [TS]

01:09:52 ◼   ► other thing or whatever I'm always [TS]

01:09:53 ◼   ► reminded of the calculator Construction [TS]

01:09:54 ◼   ► Set sorry about Steve Jobs worth the [TS]

01:09:58 ◼   ► calculator app wasn't quite to his [TS]

01:09:59 ◼   ► liking and the developer was tired of [TS]

01:10:02 ◼   ► hearing him say you know this should be [TS]

01:10:03 ◼   ► like that it just basically made away [TS]

01:10:05 ◼   ► here's Steve you can arrange the buttons [TS]

01:10:07 ◼   ► and size them and like you build the [TS]

01:10:09 ◼   ► calculator that you want so instead of a [TS]

01:10:11 ◼   ► to-do app maker you say well this person [TS]

01:10:13 ◼   ► says they want this but that person said [TS]

01:10:14 ◼   ► they always want that and they want this [TS]

01:10:15 ◼   ► too many demands here you make the to-do [TS]

01:10:17 ◼   ► app you want so if you can make it to do [TS]

01:10:19 ◼   ► app construction kit there was an app [TS]

01:10:20 ◼   ► that gave you the tools to build the app [TS]

01:10:23 ◼   ► that you wanted I mean that maybe that's [TS]

01:10:25 ◼   ► what I'm the focus is and that's what [TS]

01:10:26 ◼   ► marco was recoiling from because it was [TS]

01:10:28 ◼   ► just too darn complicated but I think [TS]

01:10:29 ◼   ► army focus does have at least some point [TS]

01:10:31 ◼   ► of view about what you're doing but if [TS]

01:10:32 ◼   ► you really made a construction kit for [TS]

01:10:34 ◼   ► to do apps where and again I started [TS]

01:10:36 ◼   ► thinking of agents like I don't want to [TS]

01:10:37 ◼   ► get him to a program really quick and [TS]

01:10:40 ◼   ► that just narrows your market to nothing [TS]

01:10:41 ◼   ► cuz no one wants to even do some kind of [TS]

01:10:43 ◼   ► simple programming but if I could [TS]

01:10:45 ◼   ► converse with the application and [TS]

01:10:47 ◼   ► negotiate how things are gonna work you [TS]

01:10:50 ◼   ► know do you want me to remind you once [TS]

01:10:52 ◼   ► you do you always want you me to keep [TS]

01:10:53 ◼   ► reminding you like then the nagging [TS]

01:10:55 ◼   ► thing the case he was talking about you [TS]

01:10:57 ◼   ► know most of the time what do you want [TS]

01:10:59 ◼   ► okay do you want to see all the things [TS]

01:11:02 ◼   ► that are coming up and today or dress [TS]

01:11:03 ◼   ► the things that are due in the next time [TS]

01:11:04 ◼   ► window or like just [TS]

01:11:06 ◼   ► sort of go through the process of [TS]

01:11:09 ◼   ► building the app it's view again that [TS]

01:11:10 ◼   ► would be astronomically hard to make but [TS]

01:11:12 ◼   ► I think it would be I'm assuming it [TS]

01:11:15 ◼   ► would be relatively novel in the market [TS]

01:11:19 ◼   ► because having heard many many dozens of [TS]

01:11:21 ◼   ► hours if people saw you about to do [TS]

01:11:22 ◼   ► absent podcast I have yet to hear [TS]

01:11:24 ◼   ► someone say I tried this construction [TS]

01:11:25 ◼   ► kid and it was terrible so if it doesn't [TS]

01:11:28 ◼   ► guess maybe it's so far in the long tail [TS]

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01:12:56 ◼   ► roar Locker what a great name roar [TS]

01:13:00 ◼   ► that's amazing what what parent decides [TS]

01:13:03 ◼   ► to name their child roar and why didn't [TS]

01:13:05 ◼   ► I think of that [TS]

01:13:06 ◼   ► anyway he or she writes kc do you miss [TS]

01:13:09 ◼   ► this C sharp and dotnet development [TS]

01:13:11 ◼   ► stack I'm taking my computer engineer [TS]

01:13:13 ◼   ► Bachelor degree and I must say that I [TS]

01:13:15 ◼   ► enjoy very much I also like c-sharp much [TS]

01:13:17 ◼   ► better than Swift although I've spent [TS]

01:13:18 ◼   ► more time coding in Swift maybe I'm just [TS]

01:13:20 ◼   ► feeling in Xcode versus Visual Studio [TS]

01:13:22 ◼   ► effects so I miss c-sharp and that's [TS]

01:13:27 ◼   ► about it [TS]

01:13:28 ◼   ► ed dotnet is fine whatever [TS]

01:13:31 ◼   ► like it's good I guess but to me it's [TS]

01:13:35 ◼   ► just a vehicle to give me C sharp [TS]

01:13:37 ◼   ► I do miss C sharp I love Swift I really [TS]

01:13:41 ◼   ► honestly do love Swift [TS]

01:13:42 ◼   ► I like Swift quite a lot but C sharp [TS]

01:13:46 ◼   ► does I've probably said this before on [TS]

01:13:48 ◼   ► the show C sharp does a stunningly good [TS]

01:13:52 ◼   ► job of being all things to all people if [TS]

01:13:56 ◼   ► you want to write sort of kind of [TS]

01:13:59 ◼   ► functional programming and yes I'm aware [TS]

01:14:01 ◼   ► that there's f sharp but like if you [TS]

01:14:03 ◼   ► want to get halfway to functional [TS]

01:14:04 ◼   ► programming you can do that with C sharp [TS]

01:14:05 ◼   ► if you want to write kind of basic [TS]

01:14:08 ◼   ► boring procedural stuff you can do that [TS]

01:14:11 ◼   ► with C sharp if you want to write super [TS]

01:14:12 ◼   ► object-oriented stuff you can do that [TS]

01:14:14 ◼   ► with C sharp and I know that the C sharp [TS]

01:14:16 ◼   ► is not the only language that all this [TS]

01:14:18 ◼   ► applies to I'm waiting for John to jump [TS]

01:14:19 ◼   ► in and talk about pearl but C sharp does [TS]

01:14:22 ◼   ► a really good job of being just about [TS]

01:14:24 ◼   ► anything to anyone and I do miss xishi [TS]

01:14:26 ◼   ► sharp a lot I am I don't really mind X [TS]

01:14:31 ◼   ► code which means one of a couple things [TS]

01:14:34 ◼   ► it means either I'm still a noob which [TS]

01:14:36 ◼   ► is possible it means either I just [TS]

01:14:38 ◼   ► haven't been burned by it which is semi [TS]

01:14:41 ◼   ► true or it means I'm an idiot which is [TS]

01:14:43 ◼   ► possible as well but in the same way [TS]

01:14:47 ◼   ► that everyone else seems to complain and [TS]

01:14:49 ◼   ► moan about X code like I don't really [TS]

01:14:51 ◼   ► mind it and maybe it's because Visual [TS]

01:14:55 ◼   ► Studio well great in many ways is [TS]

01:14:57 ◼   ► aesthetically an assault on my eyes and [TS]

01:15:01 ◼   ► Xcode for all of its faults Xcode does [TS]

01:15:04 ◼   ► one thing very well and that's be very [TS]

01:15:07 ◼   ► very pretty Marco you said something [TS]

01:15:08 ◼   ► earlier about you know hey I'm a Mac [TS]

01:15:09 ◼   ► user and I'm an apple person so I like [TS]

01:15:12 ◼   ► things to be pretty or well designed I [TS]

01:15:14 ◼   ► forget how you phrased it earlier but [TS]

01:15:15 ◼   ► yeah it's it's that right like Xcode is [TS]

01:15:19 ◼   ► painful in some ways but a it is and [TS]

01:15:23 ◼   ► forever will be better than eclipse [TS]

01:15:25 ◼   ► don't email me and B it is it is not [TS]

01:15:30 ◼   ► that bad in my personal opinion now if [TS]

01:15:33 ◼   ► you want to talk about [TS]

01:15:34 ◼   ► Swift like code completion what is its [TS]

01:15:36 ◼   ► source kit is that what I'm thinking of [TS]

01:15:37 ◼   ► like source kit is at an utter disaster [TS]

01:15:39 ◼   ► but Xcode itself it's not bad and I like [TS]

01:15:44 ◼   ► it and do I miss Visual Studio no not [TS]

01:15:47 ◼   ► really [TS]

01:15:47 ◼   ► and holy hell do I not miss anything [TS]

01:15:51 ◼   ► related to Windows nothing about Windows [TS]

01:15:54 ◼   ► is something I miss or long for I am so [TS]

01:15:58 ◼   ► unbelievably thankful to be off Windows [TS]

01:16:01 ◼   ► I cannot even verbalize it I am so [TS]

01:16:04 ◼   ► thankful to be away from that so I miss [TS]

01:16:08 ◼   ► C sharp net whatever it's something that [TS]

01:16:10 ◼   ► gives me C sharp Visual Studio me [TS]

01:16:13 ◼   ► windows hell no I don't miss it [TS]

01:16:16 ◼   ► right David steer asks the next time you [TS]

01:16:18 ◼   ► discuss single versus multi thread [TS]

01:16:20 ◼   ► processing would it be possible to give [TS]

01:16:21 ◼   ► it a couple of real-world examples of [TS]

01:16:23 ◼   ► tasks or applications that perform [TS]

01:16:24 ◼   ► better in each process I love the show [TS]

01:16:27 ◼   ► but a mother technical and sometimes I [TS]

01:16:29 ◼   ► struggled to and sometimes struggled to [TS]

01:16:31 ◼   ► give context to your discussions trying [TS]

01:16:33 ◼   ► to figure out exactly what is being [TS]

01:16:35 ◼   ► asked here because one way to read it is [TS]

01:16:40 ◼   ► like what types of things benefit from [TS]

01:16:42 ◼   ► multiple threads and that's getting into [TS]

01:16:44 ◼   ► the Marco zone of like look if you're [TS]

01:16:45 ◼   ► doing this type of task and you got a [TS]

01:16:47 ◼   ► 10-car Mac Pro you'll see a big benefit [TS]

01:16:48 ◼   ► a Mac Pro but if you're doing this kind [TS]

01:16:50 ◼   ► of task you're not going to see a [TS]

01:16:52 ◼   ► benefit because it's not you know it [TS]

01:16:54 ◼   ► doesn't use multiple cores and the and [TS]

01:16:56 ◼   ► which tests those are really depends on [TS]

01:16:58 ◼   ► a lot of factors including just like [TS]

01:17:00 ◼   ► what the application is like I think [TS]

01:17:01 ◼   ► Final Cut Pro 10 wasn't particularly [TS]

01:17:03 ◼   ► strong at multi-threading until recently [TS]

01:17:05 ◼   ► so but that doesn't mean video [TS]

01:17:07 ◼   ► processing does or doesn't benefit [TS]

01:17:08 ◼   ► multi-threading [TS]

01:17:09 ◼   ► the other way to think about this [TS]

01:17:10 ◼   ► question is they're asking like what [TS]

01:17:14 ◼   ► makes something a problem to which you [TS]

01:17:17 ◼   ► can apply some parallelism beyond like [TS]

01:17:23 ◼   ► you know any kind of parallelism or like [TS]

01:17:25 ◼   ► degrees of parallelism I think that's I [TS]

01:17:27 ◼   ► think that's probably closer to the [TS]

01:17:29 ◼   ► answer so I'm going to try to give a [TS]

01:17:32 ◼   ► non-technical explanation it's best I [TS]

01:17:35 ◼   ► can do this so doing stuff in parallel [TS]

01:17:39 ◼   ► requires a problem where you can break [TS]

01:17:43 ◼   ► it up into pieces and that the pieces [TS]

01:17:45 ◼   ► don't have dependencies between them or [TS]

01:17:47 ◼   ► don't [TS]

01:17:47 ◼   ► have a lot of dependencies between the [TS]

01:17:50 ◼   ► obvious example that comes up a lot is [TS]

01:17:53 ◼   ► almost anything having to do with [TS]

01:17:55 ◼   ► graphics processing where you've got a [TS]

01:17:58 ◼   ► lot of dots on your screen and for the [TS]

01:18:00 ◼   ► most part dots may depend on their [TS]

01:18:02 ◼   ► neighboring dots but they don't depend [TS]

01:18:04 ◼   ► on the dots way over at the other side [TS]

01:18:05 ◼   ► so if you're taking an entire image and [TS]

01:18:07 ◼   ► blurring it you can break that image up [TS]

01:18:09 ◼   ► into a bunch of smaller pieces dole out [TS]

01:18:11 ◼   ► those pieces to a bunch of things that [TS]

01:18:14 ◼   ► are gonna work on them all at the same [TS]

01:18:15 ◼   ► time and then put the pieces back [TS]

01:18:16 ◼   ► together at the end lots of graphics [TS]

01:18:19 ◼   ► cards do exactly that for you know [TS]

01:18:22 ◼   ► tiling processing but in general just [TS]

01:18:23 ◼   ► the giant array of pixels [TS]

01:18:25 ◼   ► they are worked on as much as possible [TS]

01:18:28 ◼   ► in parallel by your graphics card [TS]

01:18:30 ◼   ► there's probably a Wikipedia page on [TS]

01:18:31 ◼   ► this expression but there is a term of [TS]

01:18:33 ◼   ► art in the computer science world called [TS]

01:18:34 ◼   ► embarrassingly parallel problems where [TS]

01:18:37 ◼   ► it is so easy to parallel eyes because [TS]

01:18:39 ◼   ► you can break it up and do as many [TS]

01:18:40 ◼   ► chunks is you want and there are a lot [TS]

01:18:42 ◼   ► of chunks and so it's like look if you [TS]

01:18:44 ◼   ► gave me a million processors this [TS]

01:18:46 ◼   ► problem is embarrassingly parallel I [TS]

01:18:48 ◼   ► could break it up into a million pieces [TS]

01:18:50 ◼   ► and do them all at once and it would be [TS]

01:18:52 ◼   ► a million times faster than doing them [TS]

01:18:54 ◼   ► one at a time right you know assuming [TS]

01:18:57 ◼   ► the thing is processes at the same time [TS]

01:18:58 ◼   ► so whether something performs in [TS]

01:19:02 ◼   ► parallelize is based on sort of the [TS]

01:19:04 ◼   ► nature of the problem there are problems [TS]

01:19:06 ◼   ► that you can't do in parallel because [TS]

01:19:08 ◼   ► the to do step one to do step two you [TS]

01:19:12 ◼   ► need the answer from step one to do step [TS]

01:19:14 ◼   ► three you need the answer for step two [TS]

01:19:15 ◼   ► so you can't break you can't do steps [TS]

01:19:17 ◼   ► one two and three all at the same time [TS]

01:19:18 ◼   ► and so that's the high level computer [TS]

01:19:22 ◼   ► size the explanation you can apply your [TS]

01:19:24 ◼   ► basic reasoning about things to try to [TS]

01:19:27 ◼   ► discover whether a particular problem [TS]

01:19:29 ◼   ► you're having is parallelizable in any [TS]

01:19:34 ◼   ► way is it embarrassingly parallel [TS]

01:19:36 ◼   ► izybelle [TS]

01:19:37 ◼   ► or is it generally serial by nature but [TS]

01:19:42 ◼   ► that's when we get into the complexity [TS]

01:19:43 ◼   ► is like well this problem is [TS]

01:19:44 ◼   ► parallelizable say mp3 encoding but it [TS]

01:19:46 ◼   ► turns out the mp3 encoder I have doesn't [TS]

01:19:49 ◼   ► do anything in parallel it just does it [TS]

01:19:51 ◼   ► from the beginning to the end and that's [TS]

01:19:53 ◼   ► where marco said well I can it's not [TS]

01:19:54 ◼   ► embarrassingly parallel but I can break [TS]

01:19:56 ◼   ► this audio track up into five pieces and [TS]

01:19:59 ◼   ► encode all five at the same time [TS]

01:20:01 ◼   ► and then put the five pieces back [TS]

01:20:02 ◼   ► together and now I've done it five times [TS]

01:20:04 ◼   ► faster right you can't break it up into [TS]

01:20:06 ◼   ► a billion pieces because at a certain [TS]

01:20:08 ◼   ► point you're doing I don't know what the [TS]

01:20:10 ◼   ► size is Marco would know if like a [TS]

01:20:11 ◼   ► single frame or whatever that 1,200 [TS]

01:20:13 ◼   ► samples [TS]

01:20:13 ◼   ► yeah like there there is some you know [TS]

01:20:15 ◼   ► some unit size that beyond which you [TS]

01:20:17 ◼   ► don't get any benefit but that's an [TS]

01:20:20 ◼   ► example where the problem itself is [TS]

01:20:22 ◼   ► parallelizable but the but you can say [TS]

01:20:24 ◼   ► if I buy a faster computer my mp3 [TS]

01:20:26 ◼   ► encoding will be faster not if you're [TS]

01:20:28 ◼   ► using an unparalleled mp3 encoder it [TS]

01:20:30 ◼   ► won't so it gets a little bit [TS]

01:20:32 ◼   ► complicated okay see you want to try a [TS]

01:20:33 ◼   ► different angle yeah so what I've been [TS]

01:20:36 ◼   ► working on lately is this thing where I [TS]

01:20:38 ◼   ► have a folder full of photographs right [TS]

01:20:41 ◼   ► or there may be live photos so it's a [TS]

01:20:43 ◼   ► photograph in and a movie and I want to [TS]

01:20:47 ◼   ► file them away in a particular way and [TS]

01:20:50 ◼   ► what I've run into is some of this is [TS]

01:20:53 ◼   ► parallelizable and some of the some of [TS]

01:20:54 ◼   ► it is not so if you think about it [TS]

01:20:57 ◼   ► anytime that I have a any photo that [TS]

01:21:02 ◼   ► doesn't share a date so if for example [TS]

01:21:04 ◼   ► on on today which is the 7th of February [TS]

01:21:07 ◼   ► I take only one photograph with my [TS]

01:21:10 ◼   ► iPhone I can without worrying about a [TS]

01:21:15 ◼   ► conflict I can just copy that to where I [TS]

01:21:18 ◼   ► want it to go right because without [TS]

01:21:21 ◼   ► worrying about a conflict with any other [TS]

01:21:22 ◼   ► photos taken from my iPhone I can copy [TS]

01:21:24 ◼   ► it to where I want it to go but if I [TS]

01:21:26 ◼   ► take 15 or if I took 15 photos yesterday [TS]

01:21:29 ◼   ► it's possible that maybe some of those [TS]

01:21:32 ◼   ► were taken at the same hour minute and [TS]

01:21:33 ◼   ► second maybe I did a burst or something [TS]

01:21:35 ◼   ► like that and so some of this is [TS]

01:21:37 ◼   ► paralyzed of parallelizable in some of [TS]

01:21:40 ◼   ► it is not I've met when I was relisting [TS]

01:21:43 ◼   ► last week's episode I meant to talk to [TS]

01:21:45 ◼   ► you more about how you're gonna resolve [TS]

01:21:46 ◼   ► your race condition and how you said my [TS]

01:21:47 ◼   ► thing is bug-free except for the massive [TS]

01:21:48 ◼   ► reason that's not bug free I mean you [TS]

01:21:52 ◼   ► could you could parallelize by day what [TS]

01:21:55 ◼   ► I've what I was trying to explain and I [TS]

01:21:57 ◼   ► think I've done a poor job of it and [TS]

01:21:58 ◼   ► that's why I want it to be cut is that [TS]

01:21:59 ◼   ► if if in the batch of photos that I have [TS]

01:22:02 ◼   ► I have no conflicts in terms of date so [TS]

01:22:09 ◼   ► the hour minute and second is unique all [TS]

01:22:11 ◼   ► of the photos or movies or [TS]

01:22:14 ◼   ► all the media that has a unique hour [TS]

01:22:17 ◼   ► minute and second can be processed in [TS]

01:22:21 ◼   ► parallel so that is to say it may have a [TS]

01:22:24 ◼   ► conflict in the tour in the destination [TS]

01:22:26 ◼   ► but it doesn't have a tart or it doesn't [TS]

01:22:28 ◼   ► have a conflict amongst its peers that [TS]

01:22:31 ◼   ► I'm doing that that are being imported [TS]

01:22:33 ◼   ► that does that make any sense at all so [TS]

01:22:35 ◼   ► it does yeah but I'm honestly I'm kind [TS]

01:22:38 ◼   ► of wondering like does this problem [TS]

01:22:40 ◼   ► benefit from parallelization like it [TS]

01:22:42 ◼   ► seems like it's pretty fast to just dump [TS]

01:22:46 ◼   ► the files serially so here's the thing [TS]

01:22:48 ◼   ► the problem with the the reason I think [TS]

01:22:50 ◼   ► it may benefit from parallelization is [TS]

01:22:52 ◼   ► that there's two different things at [TS]

01:22:54 ◼   ► play number one let's say that I took a [TS]

01:22:57 ◼   ► photo at exactly noon today just for the [TS]

01:23:01 ◼   ► sake of discussion I took a photo at [TS]

01:23:02 ◼   ► exactly noon today and it turns out that [TS]

01:23:05 ◼   ► the destination so my photo repository [TS]

01:23:09 ◼   ► that has every photograph I've ever [TS]

01:23:10 ◼   ► taken also already has by some mechanism [TS]

01:23:14 ◼   ► don't worry about why but let's just say [TS]

01:23:16 ◼   ► it already has a photo that was taken at [TS]

01:23:19 ◼   ► exactly noon today at 12 o'clock at 0 [TS]

01:23:21 ◼   ► minutes and 0 seconds one of the things [TS]

01:23:24 ◼   ► that my app is going to do is it is it's [TS]

01:23:27 ◼   ► going to say hey let me take an md5 of [TS]

01:23:31 ◼   ► the source that I'm trying to import and [TS]

01:23:33 ◼   ► of the thing that's already at the [TS]

01:23:34 ◼   ► target and if the md5 is the same then I [TS]

01:23:38 ◼   ► need to take like evasive action so to [TS]

01:23:40 ◼   ► speak so I need to increment the the [TS]

01:23:43 ◼   ► fire I need to add a suffix to the [TS]

01:23:44 ◼   ► imported file name so instead of being [TS]

01:23:46 ◼   ► 2018 - o - - o 7 space 12 - oo - oo the [TS]

01:23:53 ◼   ► imported file will be all of that with [TS]

01:23:55 ◼   ► an A at the end the letter A at the end [TS]

01:23:57 ◼   ► because they're two different files well [TS]

01:23:59 ◼   ► if you're doing that across a whole [TS]

01:24:01 ◼   ► bunch of files at once which presumably [TS]

01:24:03 ◼   ► I am that may be well-served to be [TS]

01:24:06 ◼   ► parallelized because on an average [TS]

01:24:08 ◼   ► modern processor you have at least two [TS]

01:24:11 ◼   ► if not four or six or eight or ten or [TS]

01:24:14 ◼   ► twelve or 18 cores which are all working [TS]

01:24:16 ◼   ► simultaneously to solve problems and so [TS]

01:24:19 ◼   ► it makes sense to split this same kind [TS]

01:24:23 ◼   ► of operation across all or at least some [TS]

01:24:26 ◼   ► of these cores [TS]

01:24:27 ◼   ► where it doesn't make sense to split it [TS]

01:24:30 ◼   ► is if I have multiple pictures that were [TS]

01:24:33 ◼   ► taken at 12 o'clock in 0 seconds because [TS]

01:24:35 ◼   ► then I can get into this race condition [TS]

01:24:38 ◼   ► that I found earlier which is to say the [TS]

01:24:41 ◼   ► the the first photo that I'm processing [TS]

01:24:44 ◼   ► looks at the target and says oh there's [TS]

01:24:47 ◼   ► nothing there and starts the copy the [TS]

01:24:50 ◼   ► second photo that I'm processing looks [TS]

01:24:53 ◼   ► at the target and says oh there's [TS]

01:24:54 ◼   ► nothing there and tries to start the [TS]

01:24:56 ◼   ► copy but then they collide with each [TS]

01:24:57 ◼   ► other and that's the problem that I was [TS]

01:24:59 ◼   ► running into before and that's in I'm [TS]

01:25:01 ◼   ► solving it now by parallelizing anything [TS]

01:25:04 ◼   ► that doesn't have an internal conflict [TS]

01:25:06 ◼   ► because even if it has a conflict at the [TS]

01:25:07 ◼   ► target that's fine it doesn't matter I [TS]

01:25:10 ◼   ► can still parallelize it but if it has [TS]

01:25:13 ◼   ► an internal conflict then then then I [TS]

01:25:16 ◼   ► have a problem and so anything that [TS]

01:25:19 ◼   ► doesn't have an internal conflict can be [TS]

01:25:20 ◼   ► parallelized anything that has an [TS]

01:25:22 ◼   ► internal conflict will be serialized so [TS]

01:25:24 ◼   ► what if you in parallel read the input [TS]

01:25:27 ◼   ► files get there get whatever date and [TS]

01:25:30 ◼   ► timestamp buckets they belong to and [TS]

01:25:32 ◼   ► stuff all that into an array then in [TS]

01:25:35 ◼   ► then serially just have a thing run [TS]

01:25:37 ◼   ► through that array look for the [TS]

01:25:38 ◼   ► conflicts resolve them and do all the [TS]

01:25:40 ◼   ► renaming serially because like that's [TS]

01:25:41 ◼   ► gonna be like that's gonna be so fast [TS]

01:25:43 ◼   ► anyway like you're really just relying [TS]

01:25:44 ◼   ► on the file system speed at that point [TS]

01:25:46 ◼   ► yes but no but the thing that I haven't [TS]

01:25:49 ◼   ► mentioned and I have made I I alluded to [TS]

01:25:51 ◼   ► this earlier than never actually put a [TS]

01:25:53 ◼   ► period on the sentence the thing that I [TS]

01:25:55 ◼   ► haven't mentioned is that my target for [TS]

01:25:57 ◼   ► all of these image and also movie files [TS]

01:26:00 ◼   ► my target is actually my Synology so [TS]

01:26:03 ◼   ► it's not the local file system I have to [TS]

01:26:05 ◼   ► crawl across the network to do all of [TS]

01:26:07 ◼   ► these check sums and to figure out if [TS]

01:26:11 ◼   ► these files are identical or not and [TS]

01:26:12 ◼   ► some of these video setup that I'm [TS]

01:26:14 ◼   ► taking I mean like like five or ten [TS]

01:26:16 ◼   ► minutes of 4k video off the iPhone is [TS]

01:26:18 ◼   ► multiple gigabytes so if it a rename [TS]

01:26:21 ◼   ► should be quick right isn't that what a [TS]

01:26:24 ◼   ► well you could import it somewhere first [TS]

01:26:26 ◼   ► then do a rename later it really fast [TS]

01:26:28 ◼   ► yes but what again what I'm what my [TS]

01:26:30 ◼   ► process is that I'm saying hey I found a [TS]

01:26:35 ◼   ► identically named file at the [TS]

01:26:37 ◼   ► destination which in my case happens to [TS]

01:26:39 ◼   ► be a Synology so I need two MD [TS]

01:26:41 ◼   ► five both the local file that is on my [TS]

01:26:43 ◼   ► local file system are at worst on an SD [TS]

01:26:45 ◼   ► card attached to my physical computer [TS]

01:26:47 ◼   ► but I also need to do an md5 on the [TS]

01:26:50 ◼   ► remote file that's on the Synology and [TS]

01:26:52 ◼   ► that can take forever and that's why I [TS]

01:26:53 ◼   ► want to paralyze it so anything that has [TS]

01:26:56 ◼   ► a conflict [TS]

01:26:56 ◼   ► I want to parallel eyes anything that [TS]

01:26:59 ◼   ► I'm sorry anything that doesn't have a [TS]

01:27:02 ◼   ► conflict internally anything that that I [TS]

01:27:05 ◼   ► know will not collide with any of the [TS]

01:27:08 ◼   ► other files I'm importing that can be [TS]

01:27:10 ◼   ► parallelized it's the the what I worry [TS]

01:27:12 ◼   ► about is if I have 15 files on my SD [TS]

01:27:15 ◼   ► card that we're all taken at twelve [TS]

01:27:17 ◼   ► o'clock in 0 seconds that's what I need [TS]

01:27:20 ◼   ► to do it serially because otherwise I [TS]

01:27:21 ◼   ► run into a situation where I say oh just [TS]

01:27:23 ◼   ► the target that makes sense but so but [TS]

01:27:25 ◼   ► like what when when something is slow in [TS]

01:27:28 ◼   ► this case it's probably being limited by [TS]

01:27:30 ◼   ► like the transfer bandwidth of the SD [TS]

01:27:33 ◼   ► card or the network protocol for really [TS]

01:27:35 ◼   ► whatever like I dis paralyzing those [TS]

01:27:38 ◼   ► actually get you anything or is it just [TS]

01:27:40 ◼   ► clog it up and make everything run you [TS]

01:27:42 ◼   ► know like where you can run ten things [TS]

01:27:43 ◼   ► at 1/10 the speed each he's already [TS]

01:27:44 ◼   ► spent more time writing this program [TS]

01:27:46 ◼   ► that he's gonna point out that your race [TS]

01:27:50 ◼   ► condition is like a look canonical race [TS]

01:27:52 ◼   ► condition which is if something's okay [TS]

01:27:54 ◼   ► and then go do the thing and while [TS]

01:27:55 ◼   ► you're going to do the thing something [TS]

01:27:57 ◼   ► that you check was okay is right so my [TS]

01:27:59 ◼   ► suggestion for a strategy for dealing [TS]

01:28:01 ◼   ► with this that doesn't involve [TS]

01:28:02 ◼   ► serializing any portion of it is to use [TS]

01:28:05 ◼   ► what other past technologies have used [TS]

01:28:08 ◼   ► including unix and in this specific case [TS]

01:28:10 ◼   ► Ethernet you want carrier sense multiple [TS]

01:28:12 ◼   ► access with collision detection it's [TS]

01:28:15 ◼   ► kind of getting it what a marker always [TS]

01:28:16 ◼   ► saying don't do everything in parallel [TS]

01:28:19 ◼   ► you just need some kind of remotely [TS]

01:28:21 ◼   ► atomic operation and even with an ass if [TS]

01:28:24 ◼   ► you can get the stuff on to the nasa and [TS]

01:28:25 ◼   ► do a rename local to the nasa hopefully [TS]

01:28:27 ◼   ► you can get atomic renames and then you [TS]

01:28:31 ◼   ► just try to do your rename and if your [TS]

01:28:33 ◼   ► name fails because the file exists you [TS]

01:28:35 ◼   ► increment it and then you try to do the [TS]

01:28:37 ◼   ► rename again and you do binding [TS]

01:28:38 ◼   ► exponential back-off and you just let [TS]

01:28:40 ◼   ► all the parallel things fight it out and [TS]

01:28:42 ◼   ► because there is no inherent order to [TS]

01:28:44 ◼   ► things that are literally you don't have [TS]

01:28:45 ◼   ► any increased resolution if you did [TS]

01:28:46 ◼   ► you'd put it in the file name right [TS]

01:28:48 ◼   ► there's no inherent order to the new and [TS]

01:28:50 ◼   ► pictures right they're all just new in [TS]

01:28:52 ◼   ► pictures mmm so let me Duke it out you [TS]

01:28:54 ◼   ► don't [TS]

01:28:55 ◼   ► no no locks no shared state no wig no [TS]

01:28:58 ◼   ► serialization and you'd be surprised at [TS]

01:29:01 ◼   ► how nicely things terminate because this [TS]

01:29:03 ◼   ► is the network's it tries and if the [TS]

01:29:05 ◼   ► line is busy it weights a little bit and [TS]

01:29:06 ◼   ► tries again if it's still busy awaits a [TS]

01:29:08 ◼   ► little bit longer and tries again and [TS]

01:29:09 ◼   ► everything works yeah but there is a bit [TS]

01:29:13 ◼   ► of an inherent order right because the [TS]

01:29:15 ◼   ► source file name is like IMG underscore [TS]

01:29:18 ◼   ► 1 1 1 1 IMG underscore 1 are you tell me [TS]

01:29:22 ◼   ► about that so why aren't you using that [TS]

01:29:23 ◼   ► as your tiebreaker [TS]

01:29:24 ◼   ► yeah wait you have sequential name from [TS]

01:29:25 ◼   ► the in the source that doesn't that [TS]

01:29:28 ◼   ► totally solve your problem well that's [TS]

01:29:30 ◼   ► why I'm running the collision that the [TS]

01:29:32 ◼   ► potential collision stuff serially [TS]

01:29:34 ◼   ► that's exactly why I'm running it [TS]

01:29:35 ◼   ► serially so I'm guaranteed you've [TS]

01:29:37 ◼   ► already got you you've already got a [TS]

01:29:39 ◼   ► unique unique a fire that you'll never [TS]

01:29:42 ◼   ► have a collision because you've got the [TS]

01:29:43 ◼   ► date you're doing the import and you've [TS]

01:29:45 ◼   ► got a sequence number [TS]

01:29:46 ◼   ► yeah what's what's the problem he [TS]

01:29:48 ◼   ► doesn't want to put two dates in the [TS]

01:29:49 ◼   ► final menses problem it's too much too [TS]

01:29:51 ◼   ► much of an aesthetic is this happening [TS]

01:29:53 ◼   ► in these file names there no you're [TS]

01:29:54 ◼   ► right because I want it to be you know [TS]

01:29:56 ◼   ► 2018 most 2018 Oh 207 people are using a [TS]

01:30:00 ◼   ► and B do you go to a a and then a B and [TS]

01:30:03 ◼   ► then a see the you think oh ay ay ay ay [TS]

01:30:06 ◼   ► I've never run into a situation when [TS]

01:30:09 ◼   ► that's a problem but I understand your [TS]

01:30:10 ◼   ► point and there's another another bug [TS]

01:30:12 ◼   ► free program that you'll never be more [TS]

01:30:13 ◼   ► than 26 conflicts you sir you are why I [TS]

01:30:18 ◼   ► will never open source yes when the [TS]

01:30:20 ◼   ► iPhone 15 shoots shoots like you know 30 [TS]

01:30:23 ◼   ► frame per second burst photos you're [TS]

01:30:26 ◼   ► gonna have a problem I think the problem [TS]

01:30:28 ◼   ► is that you're not an old and crusty [TS]

01:30:29 ◼   ► enough programmer is always fine and I'm [TS]

01:30:33 ◼   ► like do we need to use unsigned 256 bit [TS]

01:30:42 ◼   ► something that briefly touched on like [TS]

01:30:44 ◼   ► source code to like one of those Bitcoin [TS]

01:30:45 ◼   ► or some other cryptocurrency and they [TS]

01:30:48 ◼   ► were literally using like that I'd never [TS]

01:30:49 ◼   ► seen it in like seed like the the you [TS]

01:30:52 ◼   ► 256 type for like for one of their [TS]

01:30:54 ◼   ► values because they're like 64 bits is [TS]

01:30:56 ◼   ► not enough we need 200 expensive [TS]

01:30:59 ◼   ► unsigned precision for this value like [TS]

01:31:02 ◼   ► AB you are really future proofing this [TS]

01:31:04 ◼   ► thing that will be gone in two years not [TS]

01:31:06 ◼   ► not Bitcoin just some other random I I [TS]

01:31:08 ◼   ► see [TS]

01:31:09 ◼   ► so moving on so where do we leave this [TS]

01:31:12 ◼   ► cuz John you did exactly what you were [TS]

01:31:13 ◼   ► supposed to do which is give it over to [TS]

01:31:15 ◼   ► me and then I completely ruined it [TS]

01:31:16 ◼   ► I tried but I think that we have that [TS]

01:31:18 ◼   ► question has been addressed to the best [TS]

01:31:20 ◼   ► that we can do in a ski teepee style [TS]

01:31:22 ◼   ► segment really you should you'll be able [TS]

01:31:24 ◼   ► to talk about it with Mike when you do [TS]

01:31:25 ◼   ► like your computer science e-learning [TS]

01:31:27 ◼   ► stuff if that even that even keeps on [TS]

01:31:30 ◼   ► and wait a second since when did you [TS]

01:31:32 ◼   ► ever listen to analog I know you do from [TS]

01:31:34 ◼   ► time to time but I am vaguely aware of [TS]

01:31:37 ◼   ► many podcasts like you're my dad the [TS]

01:31:42 ◼   ► best way to characterize my current [TS]

01:31:43 ◼   ► podcast listening which is very spotty [TS]

01:31:47 ◼   ► and diffuse no I was doing that I know I [TS]

01:31:53 ◼   ► know all right [TS]

01:31:54 ◼   ► so Thomas no switz saw or something like [TS]

01:31:58 ◼   ► that writes have any of you ever tried [TS]

01:32:00 ◼   ► meditation please discuss no I have [TS]

01:32:02 ◼   ► never tried meditation John I'm pretty [TS]

01:32:06 ◼   ► sure no I might have done something no [TS]

01:32:15 ◼   ► you have lots of things qualify as [TS]

01:32:18 ◼   ► meditation and I'm sure as a teenager I [TS]

01:32:22 ◼   ► probably did one of those things that [TS]

01:32:25 ◼   ► was called sleeping thing that was [TS]

01:32:30 ◼   ► called zoning out no no anyway I'm gonna [TS]

01:32:33 ◼   ► say no that no is the quick answer I too [TS]

01:32:37 ◼   ► have not tried anything III have a vague [TS]

01:32:39 ◼   ► concept of the kinds of things you're [TS]

01:32:41 ◼   ► supposed to do I I kind of want to try [TS]

01:32:44 ◼   ► it someday but it's never been more than [TS]

01:32:46 ◼   ► like a passing notion like that for me I [TS]

01:32:48 ◼   ► was hoping one of us had done that's why [TS]

01:32:50 ◼   ► I put this question in there's like [TS]

01:32:51 ◼   ► surely one of us has tried meditation [TS]

01:32:52 ◼   ► but nope we've just heard podcast about [TS]

01:32:54 ◼   ► it you know what I really want to do I [TS]

01:32:55 ◼   ► really want to get a hypnotized sometime [TS]

01:32:58 ◼   ► because I think that's bogus I think [TS]

01:32:59 ◼   ► it's a bunch of malarkey and I don't [TS]

01:33:01 ◼   ► think it's real but I want to start [TS]

01:33:02 ◼   ► smoking so then you can try to get [TS]

01:33:04 ◼   ► hypnotized to stop oh my god [TS]

01:33:05 ◼   ► now we're gonna hear from so many people [TS]

01:33:07 ◼   ► about everything that just happen [TS]

01:33:08 ◼   ► alright so thanks for sponsors this week [TS]

01:33:10 ◼   ► Kaspar betterment and hellofresh and we [TS]

01:33:12 ◼   ► will see you next week [TS]

01:33:13 ◼   ► we're gonna hear from listen we just [TS]

01:33:15 ◼   ► haven't tried meditation but we just [TS]

01:33:16 ◼   ► helped the truth I don't really say [TS]

01:33:18 ◼   ► anything bad about meditation Casey said [TS]

01:33:20 ◼   ► bad things about hypnotism yeah [TS]

01:33:21 ◼   ► we're gonna hear from the meditation [TS]

01:33:23 ◼   ► people the smoking people the hypnotists [TS]

01:33:25 ◼   ► people who have been hypnotized [TS]

01:33:27 ◼   ► allegedly more like we're gonna hear [TS]

01:33:28 ◼   ► from all of those people now I think you [TS]

01:33:31 ◼   ► might hear from the hypnotize people but [TS]

01:33:32 ◼   ► you won't hear were smokers who's gonna [TS]

01:33:33 ◼   ► object to the joke about smoking [TS]

01:33:35 ◼   ► hypnotism you'd be surprised [TS]

01:33:37 ◼   ► hypnotists I don't know it helps some [TS]

01:33:39 ◼   ► people quit smoking if that's the goal [TS]

01:33:41 ◼   ► who cares [TS]

01:33:42 ◼   ► does it work did it help you quit [TS]

01:33:43 ◼   ► smoking sure yeah I suppose it doesn't [TS]

01:33:45 ◼   ► really matter yeah you just have to if [TS]

01:33:47 ◼   ► you believe it works and it actually [TS]

01:33:48 ◼   ► helps you quit smoking great like stand [TS]

01:33:51 ◼   ► on your head whatever works don't smoke [TS]

01:33:53 ◼   ► kids it's terrible now the show is over [TS]

01:33:59 ◼   ► they didn't even mean to begin as it was [TS]

01:34:03 ◼   ► accidental oh it was accidental johnny [TS]

01:34:09 ◼   ► research Margo and Casey wouldn't let [TS]

01:34:12 ◼   ► him [TS]

01:34:12 ◼   ► because it was accidentally was [TS]

01:34:16 ◼   ► accidental you can find the show notes [TS]

01:34:20 ◼   ► at adp yl is s so that's K sealless ma [TS]

01:34:34 ◼   ► RC o AR m and T Marco baby update I so I [TS]

01:35:01 ◼   ► love Michaela to death she is adorable [TS]

01:35:03 ◼   ► and she is my precious little angel yet [TS]

01:35:05 ◼   ► if she doesn't learned how to sleep I'm [TS]

01:35:07 ◼   ► going to go insane she's brand new like [TS]

01:35:11 ◼   ► this is like this takes a while usually [TS]

01:35:13 ◼   ► I am extremely lucky to I've had one [TS]

01:35:15 ◼   ► child let alone two I cannot believe my [TS]

01:35:19 ◼   ► good fortune that I have had two so far [TS]

01:35:22 ◼   ► healthy children either one of them [TS]

01:35:24 ◼   ► could have been unhealthy or had some [TS]

01:35:26 ◼   ► sort of physical ailment that would have [TS]

01:35:28 ◼   ► been really unfortunately in so many [TS]

01:35:30 ◼   ► ways I am extremely lucky but in the [TS]

01:35:33 ◼   ► heat of the moment it's funny how you [TS]

01:35:35 ◼   ► kind of forget that I'm so miserable so [TS]

01:35:40 ◼   ► how long are the usual sleep stretches [TS]

01:35:42 ◼   ► at night between two and a half and [TS]

01:35:44 ◼   ► three and a half hours now it's not you [TS]

01:35:46 ◼   ► which is not terrible but is not great [TS]

01:35:50 ◼   ► and to be fair the funniest part of this [TS]

01:35:53 ◼   ► is that Aaron hasn't really woken me up [TS]

01:35:56 ◼   ► deliberately to help with the nighttime [TS]

01:35:58 ◼   ► stuff in like a week so I am being this [TS]

01:36:02 ◼   ► much of a baby and all I'm doing is [TS]

01:36:04 ◼   ► getting woken up when I hear the cry and [TS]

01:36:05 ◼   ► then going right back to roll over [TS]

01:36:11 ◼   ► no this is true this is how ridiculous [TS]

01:36:13 ◼   ► men are you're really not having a good [TS]

01:36:15 ◼   ► showing right now oh no I know I'm fully [TS]

01:36:17 ◼   ► aware of this a hundred percent and [TS]

01:36:19 ◼   ► maybe I shouldn't maybe I should not all [TS]

01:36:21 ◼   ► men myself but like okay I mean all men [TS]

01:36:24 ◼   ► I [TS]

01:36:24 ◼   ► cannot feed i cannot feed Mikayla I [TS]

01:36:27 ◼   ► don't have the equipment to feed Mikayla [TS]

01:36:29 ◼   ► right but the fact that I'm this much of [TS]

01:36:31 ◼   ► a baby after being woken up like John [TS]

01:36:33 ◼   ► said by a bunch of like oh yeah oh geez [TS]

01:36:36 ◼   ► we gotta wake up earlier to go to work [TS]

01:36:37 ◼   ► in the morning right oh right [TS]

01:36:39 ◼   ► every part of this is B being but I'm [TS]

01:36:42 ◼   ► the biggest baby in the house a for me [TS]

01:36:44 ◼   ► look I can help you with two liquids [TS]

01:36:49 ◼   ► vodka and coffee I will let you decide [TS]

01:36:52 ◼   ► when to apply each one to the baby these [TS]

01:36:59 ◼   ► both go into you at different time don't [TS]

01:37:02 ◼   ► do at the same time it's a bad idea and [TS]

01:37:04 ◼   ► early may not appreciated you doing [TS]

01:37:06 ◼   ► things that she can't yeah that's also [TS]

01:37:08 ◼   ► part of it but but you know if if you [TS]

01:37:11 ◼   ► being a little bit happier and a little [TS]

01:37:14 ◼   ► bit more functional turns into you being [TS]

01:37:16 ◼   ► a little more helpful unless of a baby [TS]

01:37:18 ◼   ► she might appreciate yeah right so so [TS]

01:37:21 ◼   ► yeah this you know obviously this is a [TS]

01:37:24 ◼   ► hard time for anybody it is it is it [TS]

01:37:27 ◼   ► could be so much worse like I don't [TS]

01:37:29 ◼   ► think that Mikayla is is to the point of [TS]

01:37:31 ◼   ► being having colic I don't know what the [TS]

01:37:34 ◼   ► right right phrasing is but she is very [TS]

01:37:37 ◼   ► fussy for a lot of the day but I would [TS]

01:37:39 ◼   ► not go to go so far as to say that she [TS]

01:37:41 ◼   ► is like you know Alex was or anything [TS]

01:37:43 ◼   ► like that like she is she is manageable [TS]

01:37:46 ◼   ► but horrible Alex by comparison John's [TS]

01:37:50 ◼   ► eldest was from everything I've been [TS]

01:37:52 ◼   ► told indescribable bad in a way you'll [TS]

01:37:56 ◼   ► know you're reached Alex level when you [TS]

01:37:58 ◼   ► find yourself bringing your baby to a [TS]

01:37:59 ◼   ► chiropractor oh yeah no no no not even [TS]

01:38:02 ◼   ► in the baby is it in constant pain is it [TS]

01:38:06 ◼   ► filled with spice I'm going to go to a [TS]

01:38:10 ◼   ► quack non-doctor [TS]

01:38:13 ◼   ► anything scan my baby is it filled with [TS]

01:38:16 ◼   ► bees like we will try anything that has [TS]

01:38:26 ◼   ► is there a spell on my baby colic is one [TS]

01:38:35 ◼   ► of those words it means nothing - it's [TS]

01:38:36 ◼   ► like what [TS]

01:38:37 ◼   ► that means you're busy cries oh yeah [TS]

01:38:40 ◼   ► that's something like I recognize that [TS]

01:38:41 ◼   ► I'm being the biggest baby in the world [TS]

01:38:44 ◼   ► I I mean that you're doing something [TS]

01:38:47 ◼   ► hard right like it's for anybody even [TS]

01:38:49 ◼   ► even for like the weak baby men it's [TS]

01:38:53 ◼   ► having a new infant in the house that [TS]

01:38:55 ◼   ► you're caring for is a lot of work and [TS]

01:38:57 ◼   ► it's hard on everybody so you know you [TS]

01:38:59 ◼   ► don't need to belittle yourself over [TS]

01:39:01 ◼   ► that it's hard for everybody it's not [TS]

01:39:04 ◼   ► constructive or useful to get into like [TS]

01:39:07 ◼   ► trying to outdo each other of like oh [TS]

01:39:10 ◼   ► well it's hard for me well it's hard for [TS]

01:39:11 ◼   ► me to like don't worry about that like [TS]

01:39:13 ◼   ► that's not constructive it's hard for [TS]

01:39:16 ◼   ► everybody it's hard for you it's hard [TS]

01:39:18 ◼   ► for Aaron it's hard for Mikayla it's [TS]

01:39:20 ◼   ► probably hard for Declan to like it's [TS]

01:39:21 ◼   ► hard for everyone second sleeping like a [TS]

01:39:23 ◼   ► baby so to speak thankfully misery feels [TS]

01:39:34 ◼   ► like unfair it's like oh come on you [TS]

01:39:35 ◼   ► can't wake the other one up we did all [TS]

01:39:37 ◼   ► the work like it's everyone it's a hard [TS]

01:39:43 ◼   ► time for everyone so the best thing you [TS]

01:39:45 ◼   ► can do is just try to be as functional [TS]

01:39:51 ◼   ► and useful as you can and try to add as [TS]

01:39:55 ◼   ► little drama and problems as possible to [TS]

01:39:58 ◼   ► the situation that is already very hard [TS]

01:40:00 ◼   ► on everybody so whatever you need to do [TS]

01:40:03 ◼   ► to do that do that so if that's coffee [TS]

01:40:06 ◼   ► sometimes I'm vodka some other times [TS]

01:40:08 ◼   ► fine keep it under control but if [TS]

01:40:10 ◼   ► otherwise fine like you know if it just [TS]

01:40:13 ◼   ► like cuz like that's the most helpful [TS]

01:40:14 ◼   ► thing you can do right now for everyone [TS]

01:40:17 ◼   ► including yourself is to try to make [TS]

01:40:20 ◼   ► yourself useful and to try to not get [TS]

01:40:22 ◼   ► bogged down by the hardships and drama [TS]

01:40:25 ◼   ► of this although like wait you were [TS]

01:40:27 ◼   ► trying to remind yourself how lucky you [TS]

01:40:29 ◼   ► are which is a place that parents often [TS]

01:40:30 ◼   ► go to try and I found a perhaps more [TS]

01:40:34 ◼   ► successful method is to remind yourself [TS]

01:40:36 ◼   ► in it you should have an easy time for [TS]

01:40:38 ◼   ► this to remind yourself this this will [TS]

01:40:39 ◼   ► pass like they don't stay they don't [TS]

01:40:42 ◼   ► stay babies forever like you you can do [TS]

01:40:44 ◼   ► it you have done it and this will pass [TS]

01:40:46 ◼   ► and I find I personally find that much [TS]

01:40:48 ◼   ► more comforting than trying to remind [TS]

01:40:49 ◼   ► myself lucky [TS]

01:40:50 ◼   ► because that's like okay another night [TS]

01:40:53 ◼   ► off the chalkboard like the kid is [TS]

01:40:55 ◼   ► getting older this he's he or she is not [TS]

01:40:58 ◼   ► going to be three months old forever yes [TS]

01:41:01 ◼   ► literally earlier tonight as we were [TS]

01:41:03 ◼   ► recording [TS]

01:41:04 ◼   ► I sent the following text to Aaron but [TS]

01:41:07 ◼   ► in the same way nobody goes to college [TS]

01:41:08 ◼   ► in diapers she will eventually learn to [TS]

01:41:11 ◼   ► sleep that's a big one with potty [TS]

01:41:15 ◼   ► training is the other time you remind [TS]

01:41:16 ◼   ► yourself most kids are not thirty and [TS]

01:41:19 ◼   ► still going in the diaper it's gonna [TS]

01:41:21 ◼   ► happen I remember reminding Marco of [TS]

01:41:23 ◼   ► that remember but now it's done like [TS]

01:41:27 ◼   ► it's it's totally like it's it's kind of [TS]

01:41:30 ◼   ► surprising like you know it seems like [TS]

01:41:32 ◼   ► you're doing it forever and then one day [TS]

01:41:34 ◼   ► it just kind of just you're past it it [TS]

01:41:37 ◼   ► just happens that he's probably not [TS]

01:41:39 ◼   ► gonna go off to college with diapers [TS]

01:41:40 ◼   ► exactly and it seems like when you're in [TS]

01:41:43 ◼   ► it it seems like it's never gonna end [TS]

01:41:45 ◼   ► and you're like oh my god what is the [TS]

01:41:47 ◼   ► problem here good effect over to the [TS]

01:41:48 ◼   ► chiropractor yeah I know but the reality [TS]

01:41:52 ◼   ► is like yeah it'll end and so you just [TS]

01:41:54 ◼   ► you know get through it keep yourself [TS]

01:41:56 ◼   ► and your family healthy and as happy as [TS]

01:41:59 ◼   ► possible given the challenge and and do [TS]

01:42:01 ◼   ► like I'm not saying you have to go to [TS]

01:42:03 ◼   ► the extreme I'm going to like your your [TS]

01:42:04 ◼   ► local neighborhood like psychic or [TS]

01:42:07 ◼   ► Exorcist but you bring up all the issues [TS]

01:42:12 ◼   ► with the doctor because some babies have [TS]

01:42:14 ◼   ► reflux and there's all sorts of [TS]

01:42:15 ◼   ► legitimate reasons that can be treated [TS]

01:42:17 ◼   ► they can they can help and so you might [TS]

01:42:19 ◼   ► you should exhaust those right just [TS]

01:42:23 ◼   ► maybe don't go the step further and [TS]

01:42:24 ◼   ► start you know being totally desperate [TS]

01:42:26 ◼   ► you know from having a kid before you [TS]

01:42:30 ◼   ► know that things are hard for a while [TS]

01:42:32 ◼   ► and then they end and there's you know [TS]

01:42:34 ◼   ► there's new challenges that arise but [TS]

01:42:36 ◼   ► like whatever you know whatever [TS]

01:42:37 ◼   ► challenge you're in it eventually ends [TS]

01:42:39 ◼   ► and then you know so you get to move on [TS]

01:42:41 ◼   ► and that's just a thing that becomes [TS]

01:42:43 ◼   ► automatic now it's nice so like [TS]

01:42:44 ◼   ► eventually she will sleep and it won't [TS]

01:42:47 ◼   ► be that big of a problem and it's it [TS]

01:42:49 ◼   ► might happen next week or it might take [TS]

01:42:53 ◼   ► two years or more likely somewhere in [TS]

01:42:55 ◼   ► between and it you know you know it's [TS]

01:42:58 ◼   ► coming it's gonna be hard until it gets [TS]

01:43:00 ◼   ► here but you did it once before you can [TS]

01:43:03 ◼   ► do it again [TS]

01:43:04 ◼   ► you are a human you are an adult you can [TS]

01:43:07 ◼   ► do hard things like also you don't have [TS]

01:43:09 ◼   ► a choice yeah this is like I am very [TS]

01:43:16 ◼   ► happy and I'm sure underscore will be - [TS]

01:43:18 ◼   ► to teach you how to use coffee it's [TS]

01:43:20 ◼   ► wonderful faces so many way or at least [TS]

01:43:23 ◼   ► it improves so much of this like there's [TS]

01:43:26 ◼   ► a reason why coffee is so popular this [TS]

01:43:29 ◼   ► is a thing I don't know if you heard [TS]

01:43:30 ◼   ► about it in the world but it really does [TS]

01:43:33 ◼   ► help [TS]

01:43:33 ◼   ► Tiny's Drive kids but it's nice it helps [TS]

01:43:40 ◼   ► [Laughter] [TS]

01:43:45 ◼   ► Syracuse let me down if his beloved [TS]

01:43:47 ◼   ► Accord could be had with a stick with [TS]

01:43:50 ◼   ► anything other than cloth and basically [TS]

01:43:52 ◼   ► no other options I would have won all [TS]

01:43:54 ◼   ► seats are great were you talking about [TS]

01:43:56 ◼   ► people love to get really fancy [TS]

01:43:57 ◼   ► expensive luxury cars with cloth seats [TS]

01:43:59 ◼   ► because there's so much better than [TS]

01:44:00 ◼   ► leather you know what's awesome static [TS]

01:44:02 ◼   ► in the winter when you rub against them [TS]

01:44:03 ◼   ► you get static I live in the winter [TS]

01:44:09 ◼   ► place I don't have static and quasi [TS]

01:44:11 ◼   ► that's fine all right no but that is a [TS]

01:44:14 ◼   ► thing of people wanting cloth seats in [TS]

01:44:15 ◼   ► their luxury sporty cars because they [TS]

01:44:17 ◼   ► grip you better right and also there how [TS]

01:44:19 ◼   ► could rip you better that makes no sense [TS]

01:44:21 ◼   ► leather is not literally sticky but kind [TS]

01:44:23 ◼   ► of sort of sleeve you do kind of slide [TS]

01:44:24 ◼   ► on leather when it's cold but if you [TS]

01:44:26 ◼   ► better in this summer they caught the [TS]

01:44:28 ◼   ► cloth seats no it's funny because I've [TS]

01:44:33 ◼   ► been talking to a couple other friends [TS]

01:44:34 ◼   ► of mine this is the one that had the r32 [TS]

01:44:36 ◼   ► and previously before that the m3 the 96 [TS]

01:44:40 ◼   ► m3 and he's the one that suggested both [TS]

01:44:42 ◼   ► the legacy in the 335 so I really should [TS]

01:44:44 ◼   ► never trust him about any car ever [TS]

01:44:46 ◼   ► and he's also suggested the go far by [TS]

01:44:48 ◼   ► the way but anyway I was talking to him [TS]

01:44:50 ◼   ► and another friend of ours about how you [TS]

01:44:53 ◼   ► know I really want to go far but I [TS]

01:44:55 ◼   ► really want a sunroof like I really [TS]

01:44:57 ◼   ► really really don't like not having a [TS]

01:45:00 ◼   ► sunroof [TS]

01:45:01 ◼   ► and then oh you know you wouldn't even [TS]

01:45:03 ◼   ► mousse it you wouldn't even know and I [TS]

01:45:04 ◼   ► feel like that's sort of kinda the [TS]

01:45:05 ◼   ► conversation we're having now you don't [TS]

01:45:07 ◼   ► even know you you have no cloth seats [TS]

01:45:08 ◼   ► and forever clothes teach a better [TS]

01:45:09 ◼   ► burger well as attorney wouldn't miss [TS]

01:45:12 ◼   ► cloth seats I'm just saying the stack is [TS]

01:45:13 ◼   ► not as big a problem as he thinks it is [TS]

01:45:14 ◼   ► especially now I would take cloth seats [TS]

01:45:17 ◼   ► before I'd lose my son [TS]

01:45:18 ◼   ► that's an interesting question actually [TS]

01:45:20 ◼   ► I think I agree I think I agree like [TS]

01:45:23 ◼   ► leather is just making you like feel [TS]

01:45:24 ◼   ► luxurious and having a nice smell right [TS]

01:45:26 ◼   ► but leather in terms of just what it [TS]

01:45:29 ◼   ► feels like to sit in it is not like the [TS]

01:45:32 ◼   ► Holy Grail is cloth seats with seat [TS]

01:45:33 ◼   ► heaters which almost nobody makes [TS]

01:45:34 ◼   ► because then you're like oh I have if I [TS]

01:45:36 ◼   ► want to get seat heaters I have to get [TS]

01:45:37 ◼   ► leather right ahead of them in my Accord [TS]

01:45:39 ◼   ► my nobody makes that these days because [TS]

01:45:44 ◼   ► basically once you go to seat heaters [TS]

01:45:46 ◼   ► you also get like the leather package [TS]

01:45:47 ◼   ► right because it seems luxurious leather [TS]

01:45:50 ◼   ► you know whether or fake leather yeah I [TS]

01:45:53 ◼   ► don't really I don't draw a lot like a [TS]

01:45:55 ◼   ► line between those two I think like [TS]

01:45:56 ◼   ► there's fake leather is so good these [TS]

01:45:59 ◼   ► days that it doesn't really matter which [TS]

01:46:00 ◼   ► one I have I don't even notice really [TS]

01:46:02 ◼   ► all I know is to go back a half step you [TS]

01:46:05 ◼   ► know my friends were saying oh you you [TS]

01:46:07 ◼   ► don't even know you wouldn't even miss [TS]

01:46:08 ◼   ► the sunroof in the Gulf are you you did [TS]

01:46:11 ◼   ► before I do be fine well as it turns out [TS]

01:46:12 ◼   ► my legacy GT that I had before the 335 [TS]

01:46:15 ◼   ► it was something to the order of $3,000 [TS]

01:46:20 ◼   ► to get basically two options and that [TS]

01:46:23 ◼   ► was leather and a sunroof and I bought [TS]

01:46:25 ◼   ► the legacy because my then car a 300zx [TS]

01:46:28 ◼   ► wouldn't stay on the road sound familiar [TS]

01:46:31 ◼   ► at all and it couldn't stay on the road [TS]

01:46:33 ◼   ► because it was always in the shop and so [TS]

01:46:35 ◼   ► I bought the the Legacy GT after having [TS]

01:46:39 ◼   ► been employed as a real adult for like [TS]

01:46:41 ◼   ► literally a month or two months or [TS]

01:46:43 ◼   ► something like that which is to say I [TS]

01:46:44 ◼   ► was friggin broke and $3,000 would have [TS]

01:46:47 ◼   ► destroyed me financially like truly even [TS]

01:46:49 ◼   ► like over the course of you know the [TS]

01:46:51 ◼   ► four or five or probably even have a six [TS]

01:46:54 ◼   ► year car loan I was so broke at the time [TS]

01:46:55 ◼   ► but whatever it was like that $3,000 yes [TS]

01:46:58 ◼   ► I understand it was only like ten or [TS]

01:46:59 ◼   ► twenty or thirty dollars a month but if [TS]

01:47:00 ◼   ► that would have ruined me truly it [TS]

01:47:02 ◼   ► really would have ruined me so I didn't [TS]

01:47:04 ◼   ► get it and I had that car for like eight [TS]

01:47:05 ◼   ► years I had it from oh four to twenty [TS]

01:47:08 ◼   ► twelve yeah I was eight years and every [TS]

01:47:11 ◼   ► single day in the spring summer and fall [TS]

01:47:14 ◼   ► where it wasn't actively precipitating I [TS]

01:47:17 ◼   ► hated not having a sunroof I hated to [TS]

01:47:21 ◼   ► marco's point not having leather less [TS]

01:47:23 ◼   ► but I hated that too and so I can tell [TS]

01:47:26 ◼   ► both of you not that you're really [TS]

01:47:27 ◼   ► arguing with me but I can tell both of [TS]

01:47:30 ◼   ► you and my two other [TS]

01:47:31 ◼   ► friends with with confidence that yes I [TS]

01:47:34 ◼   ► have lived the non sunroof life and I [TS]

01:47:36 ◼   ► have lived the not leather life and it [TS]

01:47:39 ◼   ► sucks and I don't want to go back but my [TS]

01:47:42 ◼   ► leather I just I don't I don't like [TS]

01:47:44 ◼   ► cloth and that's like such a thing to [TS]

01:47:46 ◼   ► say it just it feels so not nice because [TS]

01:47:52 ◼   ► there's a wide variability in cost these [TS]

01:47:53 ◼   ► cloths disease just basically means not [TS]

01:47:55 ◼   ► whether or not pretending to be those [TS]

01:47:56 ◼   ► very wide variability in whether it's [TS]

01:47:58 ◼   ► fuzzy or like stitched or you know all [TS]

01:48:01 ◼   ► sorts of different textures and and [TS]

01:48:02 ◼   ► patterns and all that other stuff I'm [TS]

01:48:04 ◼   ► wondering what you missed other than the [TS]

01:48:05 ◼   ► that it feels more luxurious because [TS]

01:48:07 ◼   ► we've been trained to think leather is [TS]

01:48:08 ◼   ► fancier I think it was just that I mean [TS]

01:48:11 ◼   ► even the Saturn that I had the infamous [TS]

01:48:13 ◼   ► Saturn where the wheel fell off even [TS]

01:48:15 ◼   ► that head like I'm serious I swear to [TS]

01:48:19 ◼   ► God why I'm surprised you were like the [TS]

01:48:22 ◼   ► only person who has like this is gonna [TS]

01:48:24 ◼   ► let their insider like do you know what [TS]

01:48:25 ◼   ► kind of car you're getting like it's a [TS]

01:48:31 ◼   ► lot of people have been saying in fact [TS]

01:48:33 ◼   ► even in the chat room just moments ago [TS]

01:48:35 ◼   ► Tim underscore underscore was saying the [TS]

01:48:36 ◼   ► same thing a lot of people have been [TS]

01:48:38 ◼   ► saying why are you even considering a [TS]

01:48:41 ◼   ► golf are why not get a GTI you can get a [TS]

01:48:44 ◼   ► GTI with sunroof it is not that much [TS]

01:48:47 ◼   ► slower what is wrong with you why [TS]

01:48:50 ◼   ► wouldn't you do that and my answer has [TS]

01:48:52 ◼   ► always been twofold one I would want the [TS]

01:48:56 ◼   ► best of what I was getting if at all [TS]

01:48:58 ◼   ► possible because that's kind of who have [TS]

01:49:01 ◼   ► to come I'll blame that on Marco but [TS]

01:49:03 ◼   ► it's kind of always been a bit of me any [TS]

01:49:05 ◼   ► yeah come on that's like saying like oh [TS]

01:49:07 ◼   ► I drink and I become mature like no [TS]

01:49:08 ◼   ► you're just a jerk or when you drink [TS]

01:49:11 ◼   ► like it's like this has always been [TS]

01:49:13 ◼   ► inside of you it's true but I don't know [TS]

01:49:19 ◼   ► but I would want why I would want the [TS]

01:49:21 ◼   ► fastest one and I would want the [TS]

01:49:23 ◼   ► quote-unquote best one and that's why I [TS]

01:49:24 ◼   ► think I would prefer the R plus in my [TS]

01:49:26 ◼   ► experience which admittedly admittedly I [TS]

01:49:29 ◼   ► have not driven a front-wheel drive car [TS]

01:49:30 ◼   ► and I don't know 15 years or something [TS]

01:49:32 ◼   ► like that but I in the past have never [TS]

01:49:36 ◼   ► particularly enjoyed driving front-wheel [TS]

01:49:39 ◼   ► drive cars actually that's not true [TS]

01:49:40 ◼   ► Aran's Mazda was front-wheel drive and [TS]

01:49:41 ◼   ► although I didn't drive it regularly I [TS]

01:49:43 ◼   ► definitely [TS]

01:49:45 ◼   ► did not like the feeling when I drove it [TS]

01:49:46 ◼   ► it just felt like the front wheels were [TS]

01:49:48 ◼   ► doing too much I didn't care for it and [TS]

01:49:50 ◼   ► the GTI is front-wheel drive now with [TS]

01:49:52 ◼   ► that said my understanding of the GTI is [TS]

01:49:54 ◼   ► that it actually has like a limited slip [TS]

01:49:55 ◼   ► differential up front which is weird and [TS]

01:49:57 ◼   ► kind of like the Dodge SRT 4 from back [TS]

01:49:59 ◼   ► in the day but anyway all of this is to [TS]

01:50:02 ◼   ► ask the question do you think you guys [TS]

01:50:04 ◼   ► would if you were if I told you you had [TS]

01:50:07 ◼   ► to buy a Golf R or a GTI which I know [TS]

01:50:10 ◼   ► John you're gonna blow this predicament [TS]

01:50:12 ◼   ► out of the water someway somehow but if [TS]

01:50:14 ◼   ► you had to choose between one of those [TS]

01:50:16 ◼   ► two cars do you think you would enter [TS]

01:50:17 ◼   ► Tom entertain the front-wheel-drive GTI [TS]

01:50:20 ◼   ► that has a sunroof or do you think you [TS]

01:50:22 ◼   ► would have to go all-in on the Golf R I [TS]

01:50:23 ◼   ► would keep saying like oh there are is [TS]

01:50:26 ◼   ► the best quote-unquote best but it's [TS]

01:50:27 ◼   ► clear that you really want a sunroof so [TS]

01:50:29 ◼   ► it's not the best for you yeah like the [TS]

01:50:32 ◼   ► amount of time I would imagine you would [TS]

01:50:33 ◼   ► enjoy a sunroof was greater than the [TS]

01:50:35 ◼   ► amount of time you would enjoy it being [TS]

01:50:36 ◼   ► rear-wheel drive or whatever all-wheel [TS]

01:50:38 ◼   ► drive but yes I'm with you in principle [TS]

01:50:39 ◼   ► dad why do you gotta use your logic on [TS]

01:50:41 ◼   ► me because you just you're just cruising [TS]

01:50:43 ◼   ► down the road at 1530 miles an hour [TS]

01:50:44 ◼   ► you're enjoying the sunroof on a sunny [TS]

01:50:46 ◼   ► day and you're only enjoying the [TS]

01:50:48 ◼   ► slightly different driving dynamics when [TS]

01:50:50 ◼   ► you're driving hard which is weightless [TS]

01:50:51 ◼   ► you haven't been in the car with me in a [TS]

01:50:54 ◼   ► long time have you but anyway I [TS]

01:50:55 ◼   ► understand your point you should drive [TS]

01:50:57 ◼   ► more safely look you're talking to [TS]

01:51:00 ◼   ► people who have Volkswagen things and [TS]

01:51:02 ◼   ► they're gonna want to sell you while [TS]

01:51:03 ◼   ► storing things does everybody always [TS]

01:51:04 ◼   ► wants to convince other people to buy [TS]

01:51:06 ◼   ► what they bought so keep in mind though [TS]

01:51:09 ◼   ► that that is their perspective like you [TS]

01:51:11 ◼   ► know I'm telling you first I told you [TS]

01:51:13 ◼   ► you should buy a BMW because I bought [TS]

01:51:14 ◼   ► one now yeah then I'm telling you should [TS]

01:51:17 ◼   ► buy a Tesla because I bought like that [TS]

01:51:18 ◼   ► John's telling you to buy an AK or [TS]

01:51:19 ◼   ► because he bought one you know part of [TS]

01:51:21 ◼   ► this is to value their own purchase as [TS]

01:51:22 ◼   ► part of it is because whatever thought [TS]

01:51:24 ◼   ► process led us to make the choices for [TS]

01:51:25 ◼   ► ourselves it's natural to apply the same [TS]

01:51:28 ◼   ► processes to to you the reality is [TS]

01:51:30 ◼   ► though that when you like you're bending [TS]

01:51:32 ◼   ► over backwards trying to get some GTI [TS]

01:51:35 ◼   ► like vehicle to fit what you actually [TS]

01:51:37 ◼   ► want but it sounds like they just don't [TS]

01:51:39 ◼   ► make one that is what you actually want [TS]

01:51:40 ◼   ► and that's a totally fine answer like [TS]

01:51:43 ◼   ► the answer I think just is they don't [TS]

01:51:44 ◼   ► make what you want so therefore this is [TS]

01:51:47 ◼   ► not the right car family for you and you [TS]

01:51:49 ◼   ► should look at other things that might [TS]

01:51:50 ◼   ► be so in conclusion I need to buy [TS]

01:51:52 ◼   ► Wrangler one of the two choices ut TIRR [TS]

01:51:57 ◼   ► I picked one mark was like [TS]

01:51:59 ◼   ► oh you should get some told it was the [TS]

01:52:00 ◼   ► question I have a specific point of that [TS]

01:52:03 ◼   ► question was seeing if he should value [TS]

01:52:05 ◼   ► all-wheel drive over the sunroof I'm [TS]

01:52:07 ◼   ► with John I think you would probably [TS]

01:52:09 ◼   ► enjoy the sunroof more but I think [TS]

01:52:10 ◼   ► ultimately neat none of these Volkswagen [TS]

01:52:13 ◼   ► small you know hatchback things are [TS]

01:52:16 ◼   ► actually what you want so you shouldn't [TS]

01:52:18 ◼   ► really it like this is kind of a [TS]

01:52:19 ◼   ► pointless exercise because you shouldn't [TS]

01:52:21 ◼   ► really be considering any of them unless [TS]

01:52:22 ◼   ► what you want completely doesn't exist [TS]

01:52:25 ◼   ► by anybody but that's not true there's [TS]

01:52:26 ◼   ► lots of there's lots of cars that well [TS]

01:52:28 ◼   ► not Lots but there are some cars that [TS]

01:52:30 ◼   ► you would enjoy more that are from other [TS]

01:52:32 ◼   ► brands and that maybe you are not you [TS]

01:52:35 ◼   ► know considering because you don't think [TS]

01:52:36 ◼   ► you should like in the case of your SUV [TS]

01:52:38 ◼   ► envy but you know where your friends [TS]

01:52:40 ◼   ► will accept you for whoever you are but [TS]

01:52:42 ◼   ► like you know maybe it's because you [TS]

01:52:44 ◼   ► don't want to pay the price or you're [TS]

01:52:45 ◼   ► mad at BMW like with the m3 or Tesla [TS]

01:52:48 ◼   ► with the price but like these caught [TS]

01:52:51 ◼   ► like the cars you're looking at or not [TS]

01:52:52 ◼   ► for you because every choice you have in [TS]

01:52:55 ◼   ► that lineup has some kind of severe [TS]

01:52:58 ◼   ► downside that you really don't like I [TS]

01:53:00 ◼   ► know there's a kilise it's Achilles [TS]

01:53:02 ◼   ► heels all the way down right so [TS]

01:53:03 ◼   ► therefore none of them are the right car [TS]

01:53:05 ◼   ► for you and that's okay I know I know [TS]

01:53:08 ◼   ► you should be test driving these cars [TS]

01:53:09 ◼   ► though like you always like to talk [TS]

01:53:10 ◼   ► about them in Hemet just go test drive [TS]

01:53:12 ◼   ► them just like is you don't cost me [TS]

01:53:14 ◼   ► anything test drive them in [TS]

01:53:15 ◼   ► coincidentally I might have a little bit [TS]

01:53:17 ◼   ► of time outside the house just by myself [TS]

01:53:19 ◼   ► tomorrow maybe and I've been debating I [TS]

01:53:21 ◼   ► probably won't because I'm gonna want to [TS]

01:53:23 ◼   ► come back and save Aaron but I've been [TS]

01:53:25 ◼   ► debating going to Volkswagen dealer and [TS]

01:53:28 ◼   ► oh that's right that's why I wasn't [TS]

01:53:29 ◼   ► gonna do it because I've looked at their [TS]

01:53:30 ◼   ► inventory and it's garbage but I was [TS]

01:53:32 ◼   ► kicking around the idea of going to the [TS]

01:53:34 ◼   ► Volkswagen dealer and driving a GTI just [TS]

01:53:36 ◼   ► to try it and if there's any part of [TS]

01:53:38 ◼   ► this segment that Marco you leave in the [TS]

01:53:40 ◼   ► show would you please leave the [TS]

01:53:41 ◼   ► following I am aware of the kia stinger [TS]

01:53:44 ◼   ► it looks very nice well not [TS]

01:53:46 ◼   ► aesthetically aesthetically whatever [TS]

01:53:51 ◼   ► exactly aesthetically it's I'm aware of [TS]

01:53:54 ◼   ► this car you keep telling me about it's [TS]

01:53:55 ◼   ► ugly it's not beautiful but I understand [TS]

01:53:59 ◼   ► it ticks a lot of the the checkboxes [TS]

01:54:02 ◼   ► that I'm interested in except everyone [TS]

01:54:04 ◼   ► seems to be forgetting that it's to [TS]

01:54:07 ◼   ► peddle only and if I'm going to go for a [TS]

01:54:09 ◼   ► to pedal car I'm going to go all in [TS]

01:54:12 ◼   ► and do something like Tesla or really [TS]

01:54:15 ◼   ► make my life miserable and get the the [TS]

01:54:17 ◼   ► Julia Quadrifoglio or something along [TS]

01:54:19 ◼   ► those lines I'm not gonna get a Kia and [TS]

01:54:21 ◼   ► get a to pedal Kia it's not happening [TS]

01:54:23 ◼   ► you're giving up so much by going by [TS]

01:54:26 ◼   ► dropping the clutch that you better be [TS]

01:54:28 ◼   ► getting something amazing every day [TS]

01:54:29 ◼   ► exactly no truly like I completely agree [TS]

01:54:32 ◼   ► with you I could not have said it better [TS]

01:54:33 ◼   ► myself [TS]

01:54:34 ◼   ► and that's that's the thing and ladies [TS]

01:54:36 ◼   ► Car and Driver the kiyose thing are tied [TS]

01:54:37 ◼   ► with the BMW 430 I X Drive Grand Sport [TS]

01:54:42 ◼   ► grand coupe it's a giant long name it [TS]

01:54:44 ◼   ► was like fastback it's hard I talked [TS]

01:54:47 ◼   ► about the Kia stinger for a second place [TS]

01:54:49 ◼   ► in a three car race so they were both [TS]

01:54:53 ◼   ► massively behind the winner which was [TS]

01:54:55 ◼   ► the Audi a5 so what is the thing is how [TS]

01:54:58 ◼   ► far BMW is fallen because I used to [TS]

01:55:00 ◼   ► routinely win these matchups by a wide [TS]

01:55:01 ◼   ► margin now it's way behind by not just [TS]

01:55:03 ◼   ► you know a couple they have a point [TS]

01:55:05 ◼   ► system not as a couple points yeah and W [TS]

01:55:09 ◼   ► has lost their way [TS]

01:55:10 ◼   ► yeah like any any comparison to the the [TS]

01:55:13 ◼   ► F 30 and Beyond generation of BMW 3 and [TS]

01:55:16 ◼   ► 4 Series has to have the disclaimer that [TS]

01:55:19 ◼   ► like yeah but these are way worse than [TS]

01:55:20 ◼   ► made up you used to be so like yeah kia [TS]

01:55:23 ◼   ► has reached the level of BMW in BMWs [TS]

01:55:25 ◼   ► degraded state or I forget oh man so I [TS]

01:55:30 ◼   ► started going to an exercise thing with [TS]

01:55:31 ◼   ► dip and the trainer used some amazing [TS]

01:55:34 ◼   ► euphemism to describe my physical state [TS]

01:55:38 ◼   ► they're like a key astanga marga [TS]

01:55:40 ◼   ► I think it was oh it was my my D [TS]

01:55:42 ◼   ► conditioned state like a battery even [TS]

01:55:47 ◼   ► deaconess you know yeah it's like which [TS]

01:55:48 ◼   ► is hilarious cuz like it like that [TS]

01:55:50 ◼   ► implies that I was at one time [TS]

01:55:51 ◼   ► conditioned which was never the case did [TS]

01:55:55 ◼   ► you show them your mouse and trackpad [TS]

01:55:56 ◼   ► hands these hands mouse track that all [TS]

01:56:00 ◼   ► day with these I've worked hard for [TS]

01:56:02 ◼   ► these look at how precisely I can double [TS]

01:56:04 ◼   ► click I'm a computer athlete [TS]

01:56:04 ◼   ► click I'm a computer athlete [TS]

00:00:00 ◼   ► but eventually the test-riding becomes [TS]

00:00:02 ◼   ► exactly as much coding as the coding [TS]

00:00:04 ◼   ► does that doesn't sound right [TS]

00:00:06 ◼   ► I know it sounds weird I'm not trying to [TS]

00:00:07 ◼   ► convert you I'm just saying like this is [TS]

00:00:09 ◼   ► the that sounds like it's not math this [TS]

00:00:12 ◼   ► is not the show where we can it's you [TS]

00:00:13 ◼   ► it's not the show where he commits Casey [TS]

00:00:15 ◼   ► to drink coffee when when Marko starts [TS]

00:00:20 ◼   ► writing tests I'll start drinking coffee [TS]

00:00:21 ◼   ► let's make that agreement oh there you [TS]

00:00:23 ◼   ► go now you're gonna make him do it we [TS]

00:00:26 ◼   ► should start with some follow-up and [TS]

00:00:27 ◼   ► Ravis our rights in in a teepee 258 [TS]

00:00:30 ◼   ► Casey said he'd rather have Apple [TS]

00:00:31 ◼   ► throttle the iPhone by slowing it down [TS]

00:00:33 ◼   ► and have it shut down due to poor pirate [TS]

00:00:34 ◼   ► battery performance however I assume [TS]

00:00:37 ◼   ► that's being said by someone owning a [TS]

00:00:38 ◼   ► relatively new iPhone that's true you [TS]

00:00:40 ◼   ► should use an older model to really [TS]

00:00:41 ◼   ► understand the issue I have an iPhone 6 [TS]

00:00:43 ◼   ► and believe me the slowdown is [TS]

00:00:44 ◼   ► unbearable [TS]

00:00:44 ◼   ► one should not be waiting 10 seconds to [TS]

00:00:46 ◼   ► see an app come up or imagine when you [TS]

00:00:48 ◼   ► see something you want to capture in [TS]

00:00:49 ◼   ► photo or film but it takes ages for the [TS]

00:00:51 ◼   ► camera to launch and you've missed your [TS]

00:00:52 ◼   ► shot the list goes on and on this is a [TS]

00:00:53 ◼   ► serious usability issue for people with [TS]

00:00:56 ◼   ► older iPhones and and they suffer from [TS]

00:00:58 ◼   ► it daily during the whole day now this [TS]

00:01:03 ◼   ► is a completely fair point and Ravi is [TS]

00:01:05 ◼   ► right that I haven't really experienced [TS]

00:01:07 ◼   ► this because in well lately because I've [TS]

00:01:10 ◼   ► always been on the latest and greatest [TS]

00:01:11 ◼   ► phone that being said I believe was [TS]

00:01:14 ◼   ► either my fix for my success and we did [TS]

00:01:16 ◼   ► talk about this on the show at some [TS]

00:01:17 ◼   ► point or another I want to say was my 6s [TS]

00:01:19 ◼   ► would occasionally just shut itself down [TS]

00:01:22 ◼   ► and it whether or not it was the same [TS]

00:01:25 ◼   ► problem because it was a relatively new [TS]

00:01:26 ◼   ► phone at the time and I think it was [TS]

00:01:28 ◼   ► during a generation of phones where they [TS]

00:01:30 ◼   ► did have battery problems if I'm not [TS]

00:01:31 ◼   ► mistaken and you know what the specifics [TS]

00:01:33 ◼   ► of why it happened don't really matter [TS]

00:01:36 ◼   ► but the fact the matter is I had a phone [TS]

00:01:38 ◼   ► where this sort of shutdown was [TS]

00:01:40 ◼   ► happening and I remember vividly that [TS]

00:01:44 ◼   ► there were at least two or three times [TS]

00:01:45 ◼   ► that I was trying to capture something [TS]

00:01:48 ◼   ► that Declan was doing with the foot with [TS]

00:01:49 ◼   ► the phone's camera and it decided to [TS]

00:01:53 ◼   ► shut itself down [TS]

00:01:54 ◼   ► what Rabi seems to forget is that [TS]

00:01:57 ◼   ► booting a phone even a brand new iPhone [TS]

00:02:00 ◼   ► 10 is like 15 20 30 seconds or something [TS]

00:02:03 ◼   ► like that that is way worse than waiting [TS]

00:02:07 ◼   ► five to ten seconds for the camera to [TS]

00:02:09 ◼   ► come up which is also terrible don't get [TS]

00:02:11 ◼   ► me wrong I am NOT arguing that that is [TS]

00:02:13 ◼   ► GARP [TS]

00:02:13 ◼   ► and I can't imagine how tough it would [TS]

00:02:15 ◼   ► be to have every app open after 10 [TS]

00:02:18 ◼   ► seconds unequivocally that is trash but [TS]

00:02:22 ◼   ► I would still take that trash over [TS]

00:02:26 ◼   ► having the phone completely shut down [TS]

00:02:28 ◼   ► when I'm trying to capture a picture of [TS]

00:02:31 ◼   ► Declan or now Michaela like no question [TS]

00:02:34 ◼   ► I am still convinced that I would rather [TS]

00:02:36 ◼   ► have throttling than not well the slow [TS]

00:02:38 ◼   ► this little app launch could happen [TS]

00:02:40 ◼   ► every single time whereas the shows not [TS]

00:02:41 ◼   ► only happens once in a while but the [TS]

00:02:42 ◼   ► reason I put this thing and follow up is [TS]

00:02:44 ◼   ► not to debate whether shutdowns are [TS]

00:02:46 ◼   ► worse than slow performance but to [TS]

00:02:48 ◼   ► reiterate again what I think I said on a [TS]

00:02:50 ◼   ► past show which is if your phone is [TS]

00:02:52 ◼   ► doing stuff like really really slow like [TS]

00:02:56 ◼   ► this kind of slow like I literally I [TS]

00:02:57 ◼   ► mean I don't know maybe he's [TS]

00:02:58 ◼   ► exaggerating but if it's literally like [TS]

00:02:59 ◼   ► 10 seconds to launch an app and you [TS]

00:03:01 ◼   ► noticed a routine regular app like if [TS]

00:03:03 ◼   ► it's doing things massively so that's [TS]

00:03:05 ◼   ► not throttling that is something else [TS]

00:03:07 ◼   ► that is the mysterious ailment that no [TS]

00:03:09 ◼   ► one has been able to identify that is [TS]

00:03:11 ◼   ► sometimes but not always cured by either [TS]

00:03:14 ◼   ► wiping and restoring from map backup or [TS]

00:03:17 ◼   ► wiping and starting as a new phone why [TS]

00:03:19 ◼   ► is that cure it what does it do I have [TS]

00:03:21 ◼   ► no idea but the throttling is not it's [TS]

00:03:25 ◼   ► going to make it feel slower you know [TS]

00:03:27 ◼   ► for sure but it's not going to make it [TS]

00:03:30 ◼   ► do this tight like even if you cut the [TS]

00:03:32 ◼   ► the clock speed in a quarter it wouldn't [TS]

00:03:35 ◼   ► take 10 or 20 seconds to launch an app [TS]

00:03:36 ◼   ► right it's not you know it's it that's [TS]

00:03:39 ◼   ► too much right it would take a quarter [TS]

00:03:41 ◼   ► of the time to launch the app or [TS]

00:03:42 ◼   ► whatever so phones that have these [TS]

00:03:44 ◼   ► massive slowdowns or freezes and stuff I [TS]

00:03:46 ◼   ► don't think those are explicable by the [TS]

00:03:49 ◼   ► throttling the throttling feels [TS]

00:03:50 ◼   ► different the throttling feels like your [TS]

00:03:52 ◼   ► whole phone is kind of going through [TS]

00:03:53 ◼   ► molasses but not these huge things all [TS]

00:03:55 ◼   ► I'm gonna say is that if you're [TS]

00:03:57 ◼   ► encountering one of these problems don't [TS]

00:03:59 ◼   ► merely assume that you're being [TS]

00:04:00 ◼   ► throttled you may have something much [TS]

00:04:01 ◼   ► much worse than throttling and what can [TS]

00:04:04 ◼   ► you do about it the only thing I've [TS]

00:04:05 ◼   ► heard of some you know like I said wipe [TS]

00:04:06 ◼   ► wipe and restore from backup or wipe and [TS]

00:04:08 ◼   ► star as a new phone and that may or may [TS]

00:04:10 ◼   ► not fix it which is terrible advice I [TS]

00:04:11 ◼   ► don't have anything better I just want [TS]

00:04:12 ◼   ► people to be aware that every problem is [TS]

00:04:14 ◼   ► not throttling people people often [TS]

00:04:16 ◼   ► complain about how I bother Apple about [TS]

00:04:20 ◼   ► their software quality and you know well [TS]