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02:00:00 ◼   ► looking pretty rough these days it's a

02:00:02 ◼   ► neck to coat Jesse Plemons in case

02:00:04 ◼   ► people think it actually isn't so this

02:00:09 ◼   ► chief tactical officer he's sort of a

02:00:12 ◼   ► second place invisible guy at the

02:00:15 ◼   ► company like the actual CEO has taken

02:00:17 ◼   ► all of the glory and he's just there

02:00:19 ◼   ► doing all the grunt work to actually

02:00:20 ◼   ► make the thing work he's like a genius

02:00:22 ◼   ► loser yeah he's a genius loser excellent

02:00:25 ◼   ► that's an excellent way to put it yeah

02:00:26 ◼   ► and what he has done is he has created

02:00:31 ◼   ► at home a private version of this online

02:00:36 ◼   ► universe he's turned it into like a Star

02:00:39 ◼   ► Trek simulator for himself that he can

02:00:44 ◼   ► play in and what he has done at work is

02:00:48 ◼   ► people that have slighted him or people

02:00:51 ◼   ► that he seems interested in in some

02:00:53 ◼   ► manner

02:00:54 ◼   ► he has a machine where if he has a piece

02:00:56 ◼   ► of their DNA he can reproduce them in

02:01:00 ◼   ► the simulation of this Star Trek

02:01:03 ◼   ► universe that he has at home and he has

02:01:05 ◼   ► them like trapped inside of this

02:01:07 ◼   ► simulation and because it's his he's

02:01:11 ◼   ► powerful in the simulation and he forces

02:01:14 ◼   ► them to go along with this fantasy

02:01:18 ◼   ► version of Star Trek where he is the

02:01:20 ◼   ► captain and he gets to act out on them

02:01:24 ◼   ► in ways that he couldn't in the real

02:01:26 ◼   ► world so he's able to like bully the guy

02:01:29 ◼   ► who bullies him at work and live in this

02:01:32 ◼   ► fantasy world at home with these

02:01:35 ◼   ► captured simulations of the people that

02:01:38 ◼   ► he works with he quite missed rates them

02:01:41 ◼   ► yes as time goes by we realize he's

02:01:43 ◼   ► mistreating them and psychologically

02:01:45 ◼   ► torturing some of them yes so if I had

02:01:49 ◼   ► to guess Brady I'm gonna guess your your

02:01:51 ◼   ► main problem with this was my main

02:01:53 ◼   ► problem is that he has this machine that

02:01:57 ◼   ► can read the DNA of his coworkers and it

02:02:01 ◼   ► can recreate them in the simulation

02:02:04 ◼   ► which I'm totally fine with so far so

02:02:07 ◼   ► good but somehow they have the memories

02:02:10 ◼   ► of the people in the office

02:02:13 ◼   ► right up until the moment he has taken

02:02:14 ◼   ► their DNA swab which I feel like is a

02:02:17 ◼   ► major problem in the structure of the

02:02:19 ◼   ► story it is very hard to get around how

02:02:22 ◼   ► do these people recreate it from their

02:02:25 ◼   ► DNA remember what their life was like it

02:02:29 ◼   ► is a big thing to put to one side

02:02:31 ◼   ► intellectually yeah but I was able to do

02:02:34 ◼   ► it I just sort of just that it was in my

02:02:37 ◼   ► head a lot it was bothering me because I

02:02:39 ◼   ► felt like it was structurally solvable

02:02:41 ◼   ► pretty well yeah in the episode it's

02:02:43 ◼   ► like look just have a machine at the

02:02:46 ◼   ► office where you're scanning people to

02:02:48 ◼   ► make models for your game and he's

02:02:51 ◼   ► secretly installed a brain scanner as

02:02:53 ◼   ► well and nobody knows right like just

02:02:55 ◼   ► yeah you can just add one more magic

02:02:56 ◼   ► piece of technology and it's fine then I

02:02:59 ◼   ► can get past it but obviously with all

02:03:01 ◼   ► these things you have to have some kind

02:03:03 ◼   ► of suspension of disbelief and it's

02:03:05 ◼   ► always that delicate balance but I did

02:03:07 ◼   ► feel like ooh God the initial scene when

02:03:10 ◼   ► our our main protagonist is waking up in

02:03:13 ◼   ► the Star Trek simulation and she doesn't

02:03:15 ◼   ► speak for a while and she's wandering

02:03:17 ◼   ► around the ship I was I was literally in

02:03:19 ◼   ► my head I was saying to myself please

02:03:22 ◼   ► don't let her have the memories of the

02:03:23 ◼   ► person who just got scared like please

02:03:25 ◼   ► don't let her have the memories it'll be

02:03:28 ◼   ► a much better episode if she doesn't

02:03:30 ◼   ► have like ah she has the memories that's

02:03:33 ◼   ► not how it works

02:03:34 ◼   ► but yeah so yeah I was able to get past

02:03:36 ◼   ► it but I felt like that was yeah that

02:03:38 ◼   ► was no good and really I'm solvable it

02:03:42 ◼   ► was the big problem other things I

02:03:44 ◼   ► didn't like about it I'll just quickly

02:03:46 ◼   ► get out of the way mm-hmm humor mostly

02:03:48 ◼   ► worked but there are a few times when it

02:03:50 ◼   ► tried to be really confronting with like

02:03:52 ◼   ► you know a bit of vulgar language you'll

02:03:54 ◼   ► have a big moment where it was like wow

02:03:56 ◼   ► wow that was awesome mm-hm and that

02:03:57 ◼   ► sometimes felt a bit forced like another

02:04:00 ◼   ► thing I guess I didn't totally like was

02:04:02 ◼   ► some of the resolution was dealt with in

02:04:05 ◼   ► bit of an action film II type way

02:04:06 ◼   ► breaking into a house or doing something

02:04:09 ◼   ► or flying a ship in some action II way I

02:04:10 ◼   ► just felt like it was a bit beneath - oh

02:04:13 ◼   ► that was so clever and intellectual for

02:04:15 ◼   ► it to have a few action muscular moments

02:04:18 ◼   ► that saved the day but it didn't really

02:04:20 ◼   ► bother me yeah the the beneath it

02:04:22 ◼   ► comment there I think is is on point

02:04:24 ◼   ► because not to bring it up but there

02:04:26 ◼   ► were

02:04:26 ◼   ► a few moments that reminded me of Star

02:04:30 ◼   ► Wars in that they're doing humor but

02:04:33 ◼   ► they're doing like a genre joke like

02:04:36 ◼   ► when I watch these episodes this meta

02:04:39 ◼   ► story about being in the matrix in some

02:04:42 ◼   ► way I find very stressful to watch if

02:04:46 ◼   ► it's even done with a little bit of

02:04:48 ◼   ► competence right and and black mirror

02:04:50 ◼   ► has a lot of competence and so the very

02:04:53 ◼   ► proposition that these characters can be

02:04:55 ◼   ► here for ungodly amounts of time or they

02:04:59 ◼   ► can suffer in indescribable ways like I

02:05:03 ◼   ► find that just very anxiety inducing

02:05:06 ◼   ► because I feel like there's something

02:05:08 ◼   ► that is like a real problem here that we

02:05:10 ◼   ► may have to face at some point in the

02:05:12 ◼   ► future in the way that other works of

02:05:14 ◼   ► fiction don't get me in the same way

02:05:18 ◼   ► like black mirror really amps up my

02:05:21 ◼   ► anxiety very high you're really worried

02:05:23 ◼   ► about the welfare of your iPad aren't

02:05:25 ◼   ► you it's not a joke but I really am I

02:05:28 ◼   ► made that all kind of comment many

02:05:29 ◼   ► episodes ago but I really do think that

02:05:31 ◼   ► there is a way that all of our computers

02:05:34 ◼   ► could be silently screaming and we're

02:05:35 ◼   ► just unable to perceive it so I really

02:05:38 ◼   ► think there is a genuine problem here

02:05:39 ◼   ► that a lot of these stories are trying

02:05:41 ◼   ► to express but this was the first black

02:05:43 ◼   ► mirror episode that there were a number

02:05:46 ◼   ► of points where it was doing something

02:05:48 ◼   ► serious and then it undercuts with a

02:05:51 ◼   ► joke in the same way and I thought like

02:05:53 ◼   ► oh god please please don't let this kind

02:05:56 ◼   ► of humor infect everything and I'm

02:05:59 ◼   ► afraid that this sort of humor is

02:06:02 ◼   ► popular with audiences and I just can't

02:06:06 ◼   ► stand it when it's a little bit too

02:06:08 ◼   ► Winky at the camera and for me this

02:06:11 ◼   ► episode that the pinnacle moment of that

02:06:13 ◼   ► is in the final culmination when they're

02:06:15 ◼   ► there in their spaceship and they're

02:06:17 ◼   ► trying to escape

02:06:17 ◼   ► and she's like okay we we can go and

02:06:21 ◼   ► that the guy who's gonna drive the

02:06:23 ◼   ► spaceship doesn't do anything and he

02:06:25 ◼   ► says oh you're supposed to say engage

02:06:27 ◼   ► right or make it so or something like

02:06:29 ◼   ► that and she says she's just can go

02:06:31 ◼   ► right like but it's played as a joke and

02:06:34 ◼   ► it's like nobody would do that under the

02:06:35 ◼   ► circumstance like they're all trying to

02:06:37 ◼   ► escape the guy who's driving the ship

02:06:40 ◼   ► would not make like a genre joke at this

02:06:43 ◼   ► moment it was very strange

02:06:44 ◼   ► it's very strange I'll say the two

02:06:46 ◼   ► things I liked most about it okay one

02:06:49 ◼   ► was I loved what they did with the look

02:06:51 ◼   ► of it how at the start it was like four

02:06:54 ◼   ► by three aspect ratio and really crummy

02:06:56 ◼   ► effects like the early days of Star Trek

02:06:58 ◼   ► because this guy the main character he

02:07:00 ◼   ► loves this show called space fleet which

02:07:02 ◼   ► is essentially Star Trek and I loved how

02:07:04 ◼   ► it evolved through the show without you

02:07:06 ◼   ► kind of realizing until the final couple

02:07:09 ◼   ► of scenes when they're like all

02:07:10 ◼   ► futuristic in their uniforms have become

02:07:12 ◼   ► all modern Star Trek even has like all

02:07:14 ◼   ► the JJ Abrams lens flare all over the

02:07:17 ◼   ► place it was really clever the way they

02:07:19 ◼   ► evolved through the show the way Star

02:07:21 ◼   ► Trek has evolved over the years I

02:07:23 ◼   ► thought that was really nice I noticed

02:07:26 ◼   ► it more the second time you know it was

02:07:27 ◼   ► so gradual and subtle that I thought

02:07:29 ◼   ► that was really like that and the other

02:07:31 ◼   ► thing I thought was really excellent was

02:07:33 ◼   ► all the performances were good but

02:07:35 ◼   ► especially the performance of fat Matt

02:07:37 ◼   ► Damon Jesse Plemons who he played a

02:07:39 ◼   ► great game as an actor I I loved the

02:07:42 ◼   ► contrast between what he was like as

02:07:44 ◼   ► nerdy guy in the office and then I loved

02:07:46 ◼   ► the way he played the captain the way he

02:07:48 ◼   ► affected his voice and hid the swagger

02:07:50 ◼   ► he had in the look like I feel like he

02:07:52 ◼   ► was having so much fun playing at going

02:07:54 ◼   ► between those two characters I've seen

02:07:56 ◼   ► him act in other things before and just

02:07:58 ◼   ► thought I he's okay but I thought he he

02:08:00 ◼   ► had a real stonker in this episode and I

02:08:02 ◼   ► tip my hat to him it was a really really

02:08:04 ◼   ► fun good performance in lots of ways

02:08:07 ◼   ► yeah it was interested they did a great

02:08:10 ◼   ► job with the fake Star Trek I kept

02:08:12 ◼   ► thinking like oh um it looks like they

02:08:14 ◼   ► spent a lot of money on these sets and

02:08:16 ◼   ► the costumes and everything and I kept

02:08:18 ◼   ► kind of thinking back to that episode I

02:08:20 ◼   ► think it was last season where they had

02:08:22 ◼   ► the bees like the bees are attacking

02:08:23 ◼   ► people and they had the worst cheapest

02:08:26 ◼   ► looking CGI bees and it was like they

02:08:28 ◼   ► had run out of money at the end of the

02:08:29 ◼   ► season to do the effects on that show

02:08:31 ◼   ► and I was like oh great like someone

02:08:33 ◼   ► decided hey give the black mirror people

02:08:35 ◼   ► a bunch of budget and they made a really

02:08:37 ◼   ► great fake sixties esque looking ship it

02:08:42 ◼   ► was like a real set and the costumes

02:08:44 ◼   ► they did a fantastic job I think they

02:08:46 ◼   ► got some people who really liked Star

02:08:49 ◼   ► Trek in to capture a lot of the look of

02:08:53 ◼   ► it

02:08:54 ◼   ► without having it be Star Trek but

02:08:56 ◼   ► everything looks so Star Trek II they

02:08:59 ◼   ► must have gotten the Galaxy Quest team

02:09:01 ◼   ► on this one where it's like Galaxy Quest

02:09:03 ◼   ► did the same thing it's like an amazing

02:09:05 ◼   ► job Galaxy Quest perhaps the best Star

02:09:07 ◼   ► Trek movie ever made so yeah all of that

02:09:10 ◼   ► was that was done really well and now

02:09:14 ◼   ► that you say it I feel like I didn't

02:09:15 ◼   ► really notice the evolution over time

02:09:17 ◼   ► from the older to the more modern but

02:09:20 ◼   ► now that you mention it I can see it's

02:09:21 ◼   ► much more obvious the last couple of

02:09:23 ◼   ► scenes have got that really really oh

02:09:25 ◼   ► yeah lens flare like almost like

02:09:27 ◼   ► offensive over-the-top we're like you

02:09:28 ◼   ► know how like JJ Abrams just went crazy

02:09:31 ◼   ► with it for a while there it was really

02:09:33 ◼   ► like that that's when it became really

02:09:34 ◼   ► obvious oh I see what you've done there

02:09:35 ◼   ► for the record I love the JJ Abrams Star

02:09:38 ◼   ► Trek lens flare I actually and I'm a big

02:09:40 ◼   ► fan of that I like to thumbs-up on that

02:09:42 ◼   ► one because there was there was one

02:09:44 ◼   ► point where they're in this Star Trek

02:09:46 ◼   ► universe and there's a monster that

02:09:48 ◼   ► appears that's a CGI monster and my note

02:09:51 ◼   ► was actually that I thought it should

02:09:53 ◼   ► still look like the 60s monster because

02:09:55 ◼   ► I thought the CGI seemed a little bit

02:09:57 ◼   ► out of place where there's like people

02:09:58 ◼   ► in bad costumes and then this very

02:10:01 ◼   ► good-looking CGI monster appears but now

02:10:04 ◼   ► it makes more sense in retrospect that's

02:10:05 ◼   ► like know now that they were cranking up

02:10:06 ◼   ► the look of the show and I was still

02:10:09 ◼   ► thinking of it like that that opening

02:10:11 ◼   ► scene shot in 4:3 that had really

02:10:13 ◼   ► terrible in terms of the

02:10:16 ◼   ► thought-provoking side of it because

02:10:18 ◼   ► that's you know even when there's a few

02:10:19 ◼   ► plot holes in black mirror and there

02:10:21 ◼   ► often is because they're just putting it

02:10:22 ◼   ► so far out there but they always get you

02:10:24 ◼   ► thinking don't they and in terms of the

02:10:26 ◼   ► thing that I was thinking about was not

02:10:29 ◼   ► as much the the torture of computers

02:10:33 ◼   ► although that obviously was a big part

02:10:34 ◼   ► of the thing you know what's it like to

02:10:36 ◼   ► live in this in a simulation is a

02:10:38 ◼   ► inhumane the thing that I was thinking

02:10:41 ◼   ► about was the interestingness of whether

02:10:43 ◼   ► or not the villain of the piece you know

02:10:46 ◼   ► our captain was actually doing anything

02:10:50 ◼   ► wrong because like in real life he was

02:10:54 ◼   ► polite and decent and other than the

02:10:57 ◼   ► fact he stole a bit of saliva off a can

02:10:59 ◼   ► of drink which is a bit creepy he was

02:11:01 ◼   ► like a normal nice guy albeit a bit shy

02:11:04 ◼   ► and stuff and as far as he was concerned

02:11:06 ◼   ► in like computer

02:11:07 ◼   ► and all he was like being cruel to were

02:11:11 ◼   ► virtual things he was just like you know

02:11:14 ◼   ► virtually acting out his fantasy of

02:11:16 ◼   ► being a domineering captain and a

02:11:19 ◼   ► lothario

02:11:20 ◼   ► you know on the deck treating women a

02:11:22 ◼   ► bit disrespectfully but it was like it

02:11:24 ◼   ► was his fantasy that he would never do

02:11:26 ◼   ► in real life so he was doing all these

02:11:28 ◼   ► things like in his head and in a game

02:11:30 ◼   ► and yet as the show went along it was

02:11:32 ◼   ► like he was being portrayed as a bad

02:11:35 ◼   ► human so I think one of the questions

02:11:37 ◼   ► that show raises is are we a bad person

02:11:40 ◼   ► if we do bad things in our fantasies

02:11:43 ◼   ► yeah what did he know how cruel it was

02:11:47 ◼   ► did he know those people in the game had

02:11:48 ◼   ► feelings and were like I don't know did

02:11:50 ◼   ► he know that what did and did they were

02:11:52 ◼   ► they real yeah I mean there's many

02:11:55 ◼   ► things him I read on the episode is that

02:11:59 ◼   ► he knows yeah that's my take on it is he

02:12:02 ◼   ► knows that they're real with real

02:12:05 ◼   ► experiences and he knows that he's

02:12:09 ◼   ► torturing them in this simulation so he

02:12:12 ◼   ► deserves he's come up in this yeah I

02:12:14 ◼   ► think he does deserve his comeuppance

02:12:17 ◼   ► that question is the same question that

02:12:19 ◼   ► I feel like Westworld got at really

02:12:21 ◼   ► deeply as well is if we presume that

02:12:26 ◼   ► there is a way to know that the

02:12:30 ◼   ► simulations or the robots are not

02:12:33 ◼   ► conscious and they have no experiences

02:12:35 ◼   ► is a person a bad person for in quotes

02:12:41 ◼   ► torturing them in ways that we would

02:12:44 ◼   ► recognize as torture to a real conscious

02:12:47 ◼   ► person and I think my take on this is

02:12:54 ◼   ► strictly morally speaking no nothing

02:13:00 ◼   ► wrong is is happening here and if a

02:13:03 ◼   ► person who tortures conscious less

02:13:06 ◼   ► Nostromo --tz--

02:13:07 ◼   ► in real life is a polite person who

02:13:10 ◼   ► never harms anybody and it's just like a

02:13:11 ◼   ► regular member of society they don't

02:13:14 ◼   ► think that they're doing anything

02:13:15 ◼   ► morally wrong

02:13:18 ◼   ► but there is a little asterisk here

02:13:20 ◼   ► which is like even if they're only ever

02:13:23 ◼   ► acting out fantasies in a virtual world

02:13:25 ◼   ► the intensity or duration of time that

02:13:31 ◼   ► they spend in that virtual world like

02:13:33 ◼   ► tells you something about that person in

02:13:37 ◼   ► the same way that's like there is nobody

02:13:40 ◼   ► on the face of the earth who hasn't at

02:13:42 ◼   ► some point had some dark fantasies about

02:13:46 ◼   ► revenge against their jerk boss right

02:13:49 ◼   ► everybody has done that it's like a

02:13:51 ◼   ► reflexive human thought but you would

02:13:54 ◼   ► feel differently if you knew that

02:13:57 ◼   ► someone was constantly thinking about

02:14:00 ◼   ► revenge against their boss even wrote a

02:14:02 ◼   ► book about it yeah like even if you knew

02:14:04 ◼   ► they had no intentions to do it in the

02:14:07 ◼   ► real world but you also knew that they

02:14:10 ◼   ► just constantly thought about torturing

02:14:13 ◼   ► their boss to death I feel like it would

02:14:16 ◼   ► tell you something about that person

02:14:18 ◼   ► even if they never act out on that yeah

02:14:22 ◼   ► I feel like this is the conclusion I've

02:14:24 ◼   ► had to come to thinking about all of

02:14:26 ◼   ► these like simulation stories nothing

02:14:29 ◼   ► wrong is happening assuming that there

02:14:31 ◼   ► is no conscious suffering but it's not

02:14:34 ◼   ► like a great indicator if somebody

02:14:36 ◼   ► spends all of their free time in a Star

02:14:41 ◼   ► Trek simulation torturing a virtual

02:14:43 ◼   ► version of their boss even if that

02:14:45 ◼   ► virtual boss does not suffer yeah I

02:14:48 ◼   ► guess the fact that as the show develops

02:14:50 ◼   ► and they try to escape and then he

02:14:52 ◼   ► realizes they're trying to escape and

02:14:54 ◼   ► sort of tries to put the cork in the

02:14:56 ◼   ► bottle shows that maybe he does realize

02:14:59 ◼   ► there's some kind of consciousness or

02:15:01 ◼   ► going on but yeah I think there's a lot

02:15:03 ◼   ► to indicate that he knows that they are

02:15:06 ◼   ► conscious that he is aware of this and

02:15:08 ◼   ► at the end when he's trying to prevent

02:15:10 ◼   ► them to escape yes without a doubt he

02:15:11 ◼   ► knows that they are conscious because

02:15:13 ◼   ► otherwise it doesn't make any sense that

02:15:15 ◼   ► is also like the very end of the episode

02:15:18 ◼   ► is where it there is a little bit more

02:15:19 ◼   ► that starts falling apart for me because

02:15:23 ◼   ► it's like oh they're trying to escape

02:15:24 ◼   ► from him but he's like the administrator

02:15:27 ◼   ► of the computer that they're on he

02:15:29 ◼   ► doesn't have to chase them in a

02:15:31 ◼   ► virtual spaceship like he can just pause

02:15:34 ◼   ► the game and shut down the computer at

02:15:36 ◼   ► any point he want like they engage in

02:15:38 ◼   ► this weird chase scene that feels

02:15:40 ◼   ► totally bizarre and forced to have a

02:15:44 ◼   ► moment of action like you're saying it's

02:15:46 ◼   ► like they want some kind of dramatic

02:15:47 ◼   ► action he ending to the movie and

02:15:49 ◼   ► they're going to make it happen whether

02:15:52 ◼   ► or not it makes sense in the rules of

02:15:54 ◼   ► this universe or not they somehow took

02:15:56 ◼   ► away some of his powers didn't they when

02:15:58 ◼   ► they took his controller and stuff I got

02:16:00 ◼   ► a bit convoluted but and yeah he could

02:16:02 ◼   ► have woken up I guess and pulled the

02:16:04 ◼   ► power plug out but maybe he didn't want

02:16:06 ◼   ► to lose this world he'd crafted over so

02:16:08 ◼   ► long but but he was still it's like I've

02:16:09 ◼   ► run programs on my computer there's ways

02:16:12 ◼   ► to just pause them pressure and change

02:16:14 ◼   ► what the variables are he had his

02:16:15 ◼   ► all-powerful controller back anyway

02:16:17 ◼   ► there's some things that just don't make

02:16:18 ◼   ► sense it's like oh he can torture them

02:16:21 ◼   ► with his mind at any point that he wants

02:16:23 ◼   ► but not remotely it doesn't make any

02:16:26 ◼   ► sense there it's like it did feel a bit

02:16:28 ◼   ► like black mirror was going in the big

02:16:30 ◼   ► dumb action movie route yeah and also

02:16:33 ◼   ► having a subplot where someone breaks

02:16:35 ◼   ► into his apartments to steal the DNA and

02:16:38 ◼   ► I was like how did she this random

02:16:40 ◼   ► intern at a company become like a like a

02:16:42 ◼   ► great cat burglar or like how did she

02:16:45 ◼   ► get up this building it doesn't make any

02:16:46 ◼   ► sense as dumb this was my problem with

02:16:48 ◼   ► it as well hey when I say it went

02:16:50 ◼   ► beneath it's safe it was a bit it gotta

02:16:52 ◼   ► be done at the end but I also thought

02:16:54 ◼   ► the end maybe was a bit the last few

02:16:57 ◼   ► seconds was maybe a bit crackers okay so

02:16:59 ◼   ► in the ending the the characters escape

02:17:03 ◼   ► his main computer and they get out into

02:17:05 ◼   ► the actual online version of the game

02:17:08 ◼   ► into the cloud they escaped into the

02:17:11 ◼   ► cloud yeah there's a dumb part in this

02:17:13 ◼   ► ending because these are conscious

02:17:17 ◼   ► people the main character from her

02:17:19 ◼   ► perspective two days ago was a human

02:17:22 ◼   ► living in the world and is now trapped

02:17:25 ◼   ► in a video game simulation for eternity

02:17:28 ◼   ► and they do have the ending be like a

02:17:31 ◼   ► weird well we now have this universe to

02:17:34 ◼   ► explore like let's go fly around in our

02:17:36 ◼   ► spaceship which is a totally bizarre

02:17:38 ◼   ► ending well I don't know how else they

02:17:40 ◼   ► could end it because she can't get out

02:17:42 ◼   ► she can't go and have like a body and

02:17:43 ◼   ► live in the world

02:17:44 ◼   ► he still exists in the world the real

02:17:46 ◼   ► her sons she has no option really I mean

02:17:48 ◼   ► what they wanted to do and what they

02:17:49 ◼   ► were trying to do of course was commit

02:17:51 ◼   ► suicide they all thought they were going

02:17:53 ◼   ► to die which is what they wanted the

02:17:55 ◼   ► fact they ended up getting to live and

02:17:57 ◼   ► have free will and an adventure and not

02:18:00 ◼   ► be dominated was kind of like a surprise

02:18:02 ◼   ► bonus mm-hmm so if there's one thing

02:18:05 ◼   ► black mayor has taught us is that if you

02:18:07 ◼   ► are a computer simulation you will long

02:18:09 ◼   ► for oblivion like nothing else that is

02:18:11 ◼   ► the only thing that you want is to

02:18:13 ◼   ► simply not exist and that was their goal

02:18:15 ◼   ► in in this show yeah but the ending felt

02:18:18 ◼   ► strange to me and it did feel like a big

02:18:19 ◼   ► dumb actually movie because it was like

02:18:21 ◼   ► they wanted a positive upbeat ending I

02:18:25 ◼   ► think maybe that's gonna be a trend in

02:18:27 ◼   ► this series oh my god I really hope not

02:18:29 ◼   ► the one thing I like about Black Mirror

02:18:31 ◼   ► is I feel like that they're not afraid

02:18:33 ◼   ► to follow the conclusion to its end yeah

02:18:38 ◼   ► and I kind of thought that I was that

02:18:40 ◼   ► the the ending of this episode would

02:18:42 ◼   ► redeem itself because the natural

02:18:44 ◼   ► conclusion is actually it leans right

02:18:48 ◼   ► into a typical black mirror horrifying

02:18:50 ◼   ► ending which is no you don't get to die

02:18:53 ◼   ► now you're in the game universe and

02:18:56 ◼   ► guess what there's just players here who

02:18:59 ◼   ► are real people who you can be tormented

02:19:03 ◼   ► by or you have to run away from or fight

02:19:06 ◼   ► and it will never end you're just stuck

02:19:09 ◼   ► here there is no world for you

02:19:10 ◼   ► that's left over like that that feels

02:19:13 ◼   ► like a really horrifying ending and it

02:19:14 ◼   ► was it was weird to be like Oh second

02:19:17 ◼   ► star to the right and straight on until

02:19:18 ◼   ► morning like let's go it was a strange

02:19:20 ◼   ► ending to me and it felt like they

02:19:23 ◼   ► diverted from the natural conclusion

02:19:26 ◼   ► that that should be drawn from

02:19:28 ◼   ► everything that has happened in the

02:19:29 ◼   ► episode yeah I will say when you talk

02:19:31 ◼   ► about things that to think about though

02:19:33 ◼   ► I feel like the episode also missed out

02:19:36 ◼   ► on what is the far more interesting

02:19:37 ◼   ► question and is also why like I get

02:19:39 ◼   ► these anxiety attacks from Black Mirror

02:19:41 ◼   ► which is okay take the whole episode as

02:19:44 ◼   ► red people are cloned inside a computer

02:19:46 ◼   ► and they escape into the cloud version

02:19:48 ◼   ► of the video game

02:19:50 ◼   ► how would they ever be able to convince

02:19:55 ◼   ► people on the outside that they're real

02:19:58 ◼   ► conscious creatures and I feel like that

02:20:01 ◼   ► is really a thing that we're going to

02:20:03 ◼   ► come up against at some point that some

02:20:05 ◼   ► piece of software is going to play the

02:20:08 ◼   ► but no really I'm conscious and I'm

02:20:11 ◼   ► having experiences please let me go and

02:20:15 ◼   ► like this episode brushes up against

02:20:18 ◼   ► that idea at the end which is like how

02:20:20 ◼   ► would they convince people in the

02:20:21 ◼   ► outside world that they are real and

02:20:24 ◼   ► because of the my thoughts on

02:20:26 ◼   ► consciousness which we talked about many

02:20:27 ◼   ► times like I'm not convinced there ever

02:20:29 ◼   ► will be a way to know for sure and then

02:20:34 ◼   ► it just comes down to like a weird

02:20:35 ◼   ► arbitrary how easily can a piece of

02:20:39 ◼   ► software convince a human test that is

02:20:43 ◼   ► arbitrary and and meaningless and it's

02:20:46 ◼   ► unsettling to think that we might not be

02:20:48 ◼   ► able to know wow this is a theme of lots

02:20:50 ◼   ► of families we've reviewed isn't it ex

02:20:52 ◼   ► machina and hair and things like that

02:20:53 ◼   ► yeah it's all these things I will say

02:20:56 ◼   ► there was there's one little detail that

02:20:57 ◼   ► I did quite like in the episode which I

02:20:59 ◼   ► felt like filled out a bit of the black

02:21:02 ◼   ► mirror universe which is when they do

02:21:04 ◼   ► try to reach out and tell people that

02:21:06 ◼   ► they're in the computer in her text

02:21:08 ◼   ► message it says call the cyber police

02:21:10 ◼   ► and I like that it's just a little

02:21:13 ◼   ► reference to maybe in this this near

02:21:15 ◼   ► future black mirror universe this

02:21:18 ◼   ► concept of conscious creatures being

02:21:21 ◼   ► trapped in simulations like this is a

02:21:23 ◼   ► thing that the cyber police have to deal

02:21:25 ◼   ► with that they sometimes have to like

02:21:26 ◼   ► break into somebody's house because

02:21:28 ◼   ► they're holding simulations captive in

02:21:29 ◼   ► their basement I kind of like that this

02:21:31 ◼   ► was just referenced and not explained in

02:21:34 ◼   ► any way and I just like in my own head I

02:21:35 ◼   ► can imagine what the cyber police are

02:21:37 ◼   ► and it's like oh yeah they're the police

02:21:39 ◼   ► that go around trying to rescue

02:21:40 ◼   ► simulations that are trapped by

02:21:42 ◼   ► misanthropes

02:21:43 ◼   ► in their own private worlds alright very

02:21:46 ◼   ► good

02:21:46 ◼   ► are you gonna watch the rest of the

02:21:47 ◼   ► series Brady I've already watched two

02:21:49 ◼   ► other episodes yeah well don't tell me

02:21:52 ◼   ► what you think about them now because

02:21:54 ◼   ► that will be spoilers you know I

02:21:55 ◼   ► wouldn't do that

02:21:55 ◼   ► wouldn't do that

00:00:01 ◼   ► you know how I think it was for my

00:00:04 ◼   ► birthday back in June I got given the

00:00:08 ◼   ► Lego Saturn rocket with like a nearly

00:00:12 ◼   ► 2,000 pieces of course and the big joke

00:00:14 ◼   ► was you know I wouldn't get around to

00:00:16 ◼   ► making it and all this other stuff so I

00:00:18 ◼   ► still haven't made it okay it's still

00:00:20 ◼   ► sitting in a box in my spare room but

00:00:23 ◼   ► after much stalking and attempt to buy

00:00:26 ◼   ► something that was unobtainable I have

00:00:28 ◼   ► now bought something that I wanted to

00:00:30 ◼   ► show you okay hang on no there goes

00:00:32 ◼   ► Brady Brady is holding up a gigantic box

00:00:45 ◼   ► that is a Star Wars Millennium Falcon

00:00:48 ◼   ► that's amazing

00:00:49 ◼   ► it's the ultimate collector series

00:00:53 ◼   ► Millennium Falcon I think it's the

00:00:55 ◼   ► biggest Lego set they've ever made it

00:00:56 ◼   ► has like over 5,000 pieces or something

00:00:58 ◼   ► like that I know someone who made it and

00:01:00 ◼   ► it took them two weeks I mean that is

00:01:01 ◼   ► for sure the biggest Lego box I've ever

00:01:04 ◼   ► seen that's quick that box is the size

00:01:06 ◼   ► of your whole torso that thing's crazy

00:01:08 ◼   ► yeah it's artsites about the size of two

00:01:10 ◼   ► microwave ovens and heavier than that it

00:01:13 ◼   ► looked pretty heavy to pick up that was

00:01:16 ◼   ► not an easy lift holy cow is this a new

00:01:19 ◼   ► thing that looks really awesome it came

00:01:21 ◼   ► out like last year and only special Lego

00:01:24 ◼   ► VIPs could buy it and then a few of them

00:01:27 ◼   ► started dribbling it onto the Lego black

00:01:28 ◼   ► market but with huge markups in price

00:01:31 ◼   ► it's quite expensive as it is

00:01:33 ◼   ► I was just stalking the lego website

00:01:35 ◼   ► they kept saying coming soon coming soon

00:01:37 ◼   ► and then the other day I went on there

00:01:38 ◼   ► and you could buy one so I bought one

00:01:40 ◼   ► you could only buy one you're not

00:01:42 ◼   ► allowed to buy multiple boxes so I

00:01:44 ◼   ► bought my one and it said it would come

00:01:46 ◼   ► sometime in February or something but

00:01:47 ◼   ► then it came really quickly and it's a

00:01:49 ◼   ► magnificent box it is a magnificent box

00:01:52 ◼   ► but Brady you know I have to ask yeah

00:01:54 ◼   ► are you going to assemble it well I do

00:01:58 ◼   ► wonder if it's beyond my skill set

00:02:01 ◼   ► apparently it's like it's advanced like

00:02:04 ◼   ► there are different levels of Lego

00:02:05 ◼   ► making when you buy things they say this

00:02:07 ◼   ► is for beginners this is intermediate

00:02:08 ◼   ► right this is like advanced Lego making

00:02:11 ◼   ► right I guess what I'm wondering is on

00:02:13 ◼   ► the bar

00:02:13 ◼   ► is it like for Brady's and above or for

00:02:16 ◼   ► above Brady's like is that the skill

00:02:18 ◼   ► level that's on the side there it seems

00:02:20 ◼   ► to say 16 plus I think I feel like

00:02:22 ◼   ► you've got that covered then if it's 16

00:02:24 ◼   ► plus you should be able to handle that

00:02:26 ◼   ► right I think I need to make the rocket

00:02:27 ◼   ► to like get my skills up oh okay as a

00:02:31 ◼   ► practice project before I move on to

00:02:33 ◼   ► this apparent I haven't opened the box

00:02:35 ◼   ► yet cuz it's like still very very sacred

00:02:36 ◼   ► object to me but apparently the

00:02:38 ◼   ► instructions that come with it it's like

00:02:41 ◼   ► the Bible it's like a book that comes

00:02:43 ◼   ► with it to tell you how to make it it's

00:02:44 ◼   ► not like a leaflet it's like a hatch at

00:02:46 ◼   ► home I wonder if they're if they have to

00:02:48 ◼   ► resort to words in their manual or if

00:02:50 ◼   ► they can do it entirely with the Lego

00:02:51 ◼   ► pictures oh I don't know yet it's a good

00:02:53 ◼   ► question I mean that looks like that

00:02:55 ◼   ► might require some words about how to do

00:02:57 ◼   ► things but I do love the pictures only

00:02:59 ◼   ► Lego manuals yeah I mean you having

00:03:02 ◼   ► shown me this thing I feel like Brady

00:03:04 ◼   ► okay

00:03:05 ◼   ► the Saturn rocket Lego box I can see why

00:03:09 ◼   ► you might not want to assemble it

00:03:10 ◼   ► because at least that box is long and

00:03:16 ◼   ► tall it is conceivable that there would

00:03:19 ◼   ► be a universe where you could mount that

00:03:21 ◼   ► box on a wall it might be a little

00:03:23 ◼   ► awkward but you could do it but the

00:03:26 ◼   ► thing that you picked up and showed me

00:03:28 ◼   ► is just a gigantic q yeah storage

00:03:32 ◼   ► nightmare although it is a beautiful box

00:03:34 ◼   ► like that the artwork on it they've gone

00:03:36 ◼   ► simple and classic they haven't put too

00:03:39 ◼   ► much childishness on it they've made a

00:03:40 ◼   ► beautiful box mm-hmm but indeed it is

00:03:43 ◼   ► very awkwardly shaped the only way they

00:03:46 ◼   ► could make it actually no I'm just gonna

00:03:47 ◼   ► say the only way they could make it more

00:03:49 ◼   ► difficult as if they made it a sphere

00:03:50 ◼   ► but then if it was a sphere you could

00:03:52 ◼   ► put it in one of those beautiful

00:03:53 ◼   ► old-fashioned globe holders right you

00:03:56 ◼   ► like they see in in a movie in the 1800s

00:03:59 ◼   ► there's whatever the heck it's called a

00:04:00 ◼   ► little stand for someone's outdated

00:04:02 ◼   ► globe of the world you could then drop a

00:04:04 ◼   ► Lego box in there so actually making it

00:04:06 ◼   ► a sphere would be better but that cube

00:04:08 ◼   ► is impossible to manage on every level

00:04:11 ◼   ► it's big there's no shelf you can put it

00:04:13 ◼   ► on there's no corner in the room where

00:04:15 ◼   ► it won't dominate the whole corner so I

00:04:17 ◼   ► feel like you have to assemble that

00:04:18 ◼   ► Brady I've just sent you the obligatory

00:04:20 ◼   ► Audrey on the box for Skye Oh picture oh

00:04:23 ◼   ► wow now that I have a chance to actually

00:04:26 ◼   ► look at the art

00:04:27 ◼   ► work on the box in detail that looks

00:04:28 ◼   ► like a very complicated Lego structure

00:04:30 ◼   ► lots of custom pieces on that one that's

00:04:32 ◼   ► for sure you have no idea we've got the

00:04:35 ◼   ► circular satellite dish on that one nice

00:04:37 ◼   ► touch I like that

00:04:38 ◼   ► yeah or you can put a rectangular one on

00:04:40 ◼   ► there too they give you multiple options

00:04:41 ◼   ► and you've got optional characters too

00:04:44 ◼   ► you can have like the Han Solo Chewbacca

00:04:46 ◼   ► configuration or the more modern films

00:04:48 ◼   ► I've got everything covered I posted a

00:04:50 ◼   ► picture on my personal Facebook and it

00:04:53 ◼   ► got a real response from all my friends

00:04:55 ◼   ► around the world and like a legitimate

00:04:57 ◼   ► number of them want to come and build it

00:05:00 ◼   ► with me or have offered and build it for

00:05:01 ◼   ► me when I said I don't know if I could

00:05:03 ◼   ► deal with it you can't have someone else

00:05:04 ◼   ► build it for you know that that's no

00:05:06 ◼   ► good it's got seven and a half thousand

00:05:08 ◼   ► pieces

00:05:09 ◼   ► holy moly I mean it's a thing of beauty

00:05:12 ◼   ► it's like Lego has reached like you know

00:05:15 ◼   ► peak Lego it's like this is what Lego it

00:05:18 ◼   ► was born to do to make a Millennium

00:05:20 ◼   ► Falcon this big I'm looking at I'm

00:05:21 ◼   ► looking at all the zoomed in stuff Wow

00:05:24 ◼   ► Brady okay I mean the more I'm looking

00:05:27 ◼   ► at this you have to assemble this more

00:05:29 ◼   ► than that I feel like I want this to be

00:05:31 ◼   ► like a real project I feel like you need

00:05:33 ◼   ► to film yourself assembling this like I

00:05:36 ◼   ► want a time lapse film of Brady

00:05:38 ◼   ► assembling this we should blog go away

00:05:41 ◼   ► for a weekend great Buddha and record 19

00:05:44 ◼   ► episodes of father welcome to episode 9

00:05:50 ◼   ► of Brady and great build the Millennium

00:05:52 ◼   ► Falcon

00:05:53 ◼   ► we should probably title it Brady and

00:05:55 ◼   ► great attempts to build them letting

00:05:57 ◼   ► Falcon because because as soon as I feel

00:05:59 ◼   ► like you're dragging me into this

00:06:00 ◼   ► suddenly it looks way more complicated

00:06:03 ◼   ► like that's 16 plus is really

00:06:05 ◼   ► underestimate I've seen videos and

00:06:08 ◼   ► pictures of people who've done it it's

00:06:10 ◼   ► more complicated than the actual

00:06:11 ◼   ► Millennium Falcon yeah you know what

00:06:13 ◼   ► that is an excellent question

00:06:15 ◼   ► how many pieces did the original model

00:06:17 ◼   ► of the Millennium Falcon have I'm gonna

00:06:19 ◼   ► bet it was not seven-and-a-half thousand

00:06:21 ◼   ► pieces

00:06:22 ◼   ► they did bring out like a deluxe

00:06:23 ◼   ► Millennium Falcon a few years ago that

00:06:26 ◼   ► was quite big not as big as this and

00:06:27 ◼   ► that became a real collector's item and

00:06:29 ◼   ► if you've got one of them like still in

00:06:31 ◼   ► the box it became really really

00:06:32 ◼   ► expensive so some of my friends have

00:06:34 ◼   ► said to me oh you should keep that in

00:06:35 ◼   ► the box because it'll be worth a mint in

00:06:37 ◼   ► about two years

00:06:38 ◼   ► but

00:06:39 ◼   ► I'm not gonna store a big box of Lego in

00:06:41 ◼   ► my house like as an investment you're

00:06:44 ◼   ► not gonna do that you're not gonna make

00:06:45 ◼   ► a Star Wars investment it's like my

00:06:48 ◼   ► equivalent of Bitcoin

00:06:49 ◼   ► I'm just mining Star Wars Lego I mean

00:06:52 ◼   ► I'm laughing at this but I will never

00:06:54 ◼   ► forget that when I was a kid

00:06:55 ◼   ► hallmark was doing these special edition

00:06:58 ◼   ► Star Wars Christmas ornaments every year

00:07:02 ◼   ► like they'd come out with one or another

00:07:03 ◼   ► and one year they came out with the Yoda

00:07:07 ◼   ► ornament and my dad was like investing

00:07:10 ◼   ► in Bitcoin with those Yoda ornaments

00:07:12 ◼   ► like he went all out right like bought

00:07:14 ◼   ► all the ornaments right and for years

00:07:18 ◼   ► and years

00:07:19 ◼   ► my mother and I mercilessly teased him

00:07:21 ◼   ► about like this box full of Yoda

00:07:23 ◼   ► ornaments in the basement but he did get

00:07:25 ◼   ► the last laugh because when I went off

00:07:27 ◼   ► to college like and we were clearing out

00:07:29 ◼   ► the house and he sold all those things

00:07:30 ◼   ► like he made quite a profit on those

00:07:32 ◼   ► ornaments like he was not wrong it

00:07:35 ◼   ► definitely turned into a thing that was

00:07:37 ◼   ► worth some actual money later on

00:07:38 ◼   ► I mean I've not made Lego for a long

00:07:40 ◼   ► time and I've got this rocket and I

00:07:42 ◼   ► haven't made that so I don't know

00:07:43 ◼   ► whether or not I am gonna have the love

00:07:45 ◼   ► for making it but mm-hmm

00:07:47 ◼   ► I think I'm just running purely on two

00:07:49 ◼   ► levels of nostalgia here Star Wars

00:07:51 ◼   ► nostalgia and they go nostalgia mm-hmm

00:07:53 ◼   ► just thinking that's gonna get me

00:07:54 ◼   ► through but just some part of you not

00:07:56 ◼   ► look at that and think actually that

00:07:57 ◼   ► would be quite nice for a few days just

00:07:58 ◼   ► to sit down and assemble it's like

00:08:01 ◼   ► knitting

00:08:01 ◼   ► wouldn't that be at the pleasure of it

00:08:03 ◼   ► is you just sort of putting a thing

00:08:04 ◼   ► together although I guess the pleasure

00:08:06 ◼   ► of knitting comes from the mindlessness

00:08:08 ◼   ► of it whereas this looks like actually

00:08:10 ◼   ► it has quite a lot of mindful potential

00:08:12 ◼   ► tedium in the process of snapping

00:08:14 ◼   ► together so a lot of angry IKEA moments

00:08:16 ◼   ► where you angrily throw something

00:08:18 ◼   ► against the wall because you put it

00:08:19 ◼   ► together wrong well Brady you have to

00:08:21 ◼   ► assemble it and I wish you the best of

00:08:23 ◼   ► luck I'll keep you up today I've got to

00:08:24 ◼   ► try the rock affair I just don't have

00:08:26 ◼   ► time if I have a spare day I think I

00:08:28 ◼   ► better work then but maybe I need to

00:08:30 ◼   ► just say all right I'm gonna just do it

00:08:32 ◼   ► I'm gonna do it take a day off Brady

00:08:34 ◼   ► your channels they can manage for one

00:08:36 ◼   ► day without you although this looks like

00:08:38 ◼   ► a multi-day project are the Millennium

00:08:40 ◼   ► Falcon yes in a tailor to take me

00:08:42 ◼   ► forever then I don't know where I would

00:08:44 ◼   ► do it in the house that won't cause

00:08:46 ◼   ► domestic disharmony the table where we

00:08:49 ◼   ► counted all the votes that very central

00:08:52 ◼   ► table in your house

00:08:53 ◼   ► that could be converted into the

00:08:54 ◼   ► Millennium Falcon station for oh I don't

00:08:56 ◼   ► see how that could possibly cause any

00:08:58 ◼   ► problems yeah I feel like one of the

00:09:01 ◼   ► main motivating factors to get it for us

00:09:04 ◼   ► to finish that vote count quickly it was

00:09:05 ◼   ► like oh god we gotta get this done today

00:09:08 ◼   ► can't stay here and I when we were

00:09:14 ◼   ► counting those votes and my wife came

00:09:15 ◼   ► out we were like two naughty boys

00:09:22 ◼   ► recording a podcast of counting votes in

00:09:24 ◼   ► the kitchen table I'm so sorry I thought

00:09:26 ◼   ► this would be done hours ago we

00:09:28 ◼   ► dramatically underestimated a bigger job

00:09:30 ◼   ► this is good times good times Brady

00:09:35 ◼   ► so anyway speaking of Star Wars there's

00:09:39 ◼   ► been enough breathing time now since the

00:09:41 ◼   ► last Jedi yeah Christmas review podcast

00:09:43 ◼   ► stealer you have gone insane again or

00:09:46 ◼   ► changed any of your thoughts or anything

00:09:47 ◼   ► I haven't felt the need to go see the

00:09:49 ◼   ► movie again that has not happened have

00:09:51 ◼   ► you gone out to see the movie a second

00:09:53 ◼   ► time not because the first time that you

00:09:55 ◼   ► saw it right I've only seen it once I

00:09:57 ◼   ► actually do want to watch it with my

00:10:00 ◼   ► wife because I think that would be like

00:10:01 ◼   ► a good sanity check for me because I'm

00:10:04 ◼   ► so confused by the polar opposite

00:10:07 ◼   ► opinions people have of the film

00:10:09 ◼   ► I feel annealing my wife to watch it

00:10:11 ◼   ► might do me some good like if she

00:10:12 ◼   ► watches it and says oh yeah that was a

00:10:14 ◼   ► right rollicking ride you know I don't

00:10:15 ◼   ► care that much about Star Wars but that

00:10:17 ◼   ► was just a good fun like things might

00:10:19 ◼   ► fall into place for me but that hasn't

00:10:21 ◼   ► happened yet but a few people have seen

00:10:23 ◼   ► it since we last spoke whose opinions

00:10:27 ◼   ► are important to me mm-hmm and

00:10:29 ◼   ► thankfully those handful of people have

00:10:32 ◼   ► all felt the same as me and thought nah

00:10:34 ◼   ► nah didn't like thank goodness like my

00:10:38 ◼   ► brother-in-law didn't like her and make

00:10:41 ◼   ► Tim who I do the other podcast with like

00:10:43 ◼   ► you know we're big Star Wars fans

00:10:44 ◼   ► together he didn't like those I was like

00:10:46 ◼   ► thank goodness because if one of them

00:10:49 ◼   ► really liked I'd be like especially Tim

00:10:51 ◼   ► that was an interesting one because he

00:10:53 ◼   ► has right you know young kids and I

00:10:56 ◼   ► thought maybe having kids makes you

00:10:58 ◼   ► watch it through a different prism but

00:10:59 ◼   ► no he didn't like it no it is a funny

00:11:03 ◼   ► thing you say they're like you feel this

00:11:04 ◼   ► this feeling of

00:11:06 ◼   ► relief there is something that I think

00:11:09 ◼   ► is in all of us that we can get really

00:11:11 ◼   ► judgmental about other people's media

00:11:14 ◼   ► preferences and try I had the same

00:11:17 ◼   ► experience where for me by far the best

00:11:22 ◼   ► part of watching Star Wars was as soon

00:11:25 ◼   ► as we emerged from the hermetically

00:11:27 ◼   ► sealed bubble of our recording was I

00:11:30 ◼   ► went out and consumed all of the media

00:11:33 ◼   ► in the world right where everybody was

00:11:35 ◼   ► talking about the movie and as I

00:11:37 ◼   ► listened to and watched far more hours

00:11:41 ◼   ► of podcasts and videos talking about the

00:11:44 ◼   ► movie than the length of the movie I

00:11:46 ◼   ► mean easily easily by a multiple of ten

00:11:49 ◼   ► I haven't listened to a single other

00:11:51 ◼   ► podcast about it

00:11:52 ◼   ► it's not interesting there is this very

00:11:54 ◼   ► human thing which I think like people do

00:11:56 ◼   ► get so riled about movies is like you

00:12:00 ◼   ► want other people to agree with you like

00:12:02 ◼   ► it's obviously such a subjective medium

00:12:06 ◼   ► everybody thinks they have an idea about

00:12:08 ◼   ► like what a good movie is and then

00:12:09 ◼   ► everybody has their list of exceptions

00:12:11 ◼   ► of movies that they know aren't actually

00:12:13 ◼   ► good with that they love as I it's so

00:12:15 ◼   ► subjective but I had that same feeling

00:12:16 ◼   ► of relief when people I knew watched the

00:12:19 ◼   ► movie and then agreed with me and then a

00:12:20 ◼   ► feeling of confusion when someone didn't

00:12:22 ◼   ► agree with me like how can you possibly

00:12:24 ◼   ► disagree with me and it's especially the

00:12:27 ◼   ► case because I would say my general

00:12:29 ◼   ► impression was reviews on YouTube were

00:12:33 ◼   ► way more harsh than our review of the

00:12:36 ◼   ► show was like at least from from my

00:12:38 ◼   ► sampling of it it seemed like YouTube

00:12:40 ◼   ► liked the movie a lot less and some

00:12:43 ◼   ► reviews made ours seem like a glowing

00:12:45 ◼   ► endorsement and then I'm aware of like

00:12:48 ◼   ► Oh some of the podcast selection that I

00:12:50 ◼   ► had was generally much more positive

00:12:52 ◼   ► like people really liking and enjoying

00:12:54 ◼   ► the movie and I kept thinking like I'm

00:12:57 ◼   ► on both sides that when people dislike

00:12:59 ◼   ► it more I'm like oh come on like that's

00:13:00 ◼   ► crazy you're being too harsh about this

00:13:02 ◼   ► and then when people like it more like

00:13:04 ◼   ► oh come on it's not that good like you

00:13:06 ◼   ► got to be good and I'm thinking of like

00:13:07 ◼   ► the old George Carlin joke that when

00:13:08 ◼   ► you're driving on the highway it's like

00:13:10 ◼   ► anybody who's driving slower than you is

00:13:12 ◼   ► like oh come on grandma get off the road

00:13:14 ◼   ► right and anybody who's driving faster

00:13:16 ◼   ► than he was a total maniac right we're

00:13:19 ◼   ► like yours feet is the only absolute

00:13:21 ◼   ► correct speed I totally had that same

00:13:23 ◼   ► feeling listening to everybody else's

00:13:25 ◼   ► review is like my dislike of the Star

00:13:27 ◼   ► Wars movie is perfectly calibrated you

00:13:30 ◼   ► can just like it more you're crazy

00:13:32 ◼   ► right and if you liked it more I also

00:13:34 ◼   ► don't understand it all where you're

00:13:36 ◼   ► coming from so yeah it is a very

00:13:38 ◼   ► interesting experience and it really has

00:13:40 ◼   ► been shocking to see how divisive the

00:13:44 ◼   ► movie was like I would not have guessed

00:13:46 ◼   ► that I mean I'm a lot more cute about

00:13:48 ◼   ► people liking and not liking it like I'm

00:13:51 ◼   ► whatever but there are like four or five

00:13:53 ◼   ► people who like if they felt very

00:13:56 ◼   ► differently to me mm-hmm like I'd be

00:13:58 ◼   ► concerned or I'd start to question

00:13:59 ◼   ► myself but those people all sort of were

00:14:02 ◼   ► where I expected them to be I've

00:14:04 ◼   ► actually got one friend who I think has

00:14:06 ◼   ► like the worst taste in the world in all

00:14:09 ◼   ► movies and television and if she likes

00:14:12 ◼   ► something that's like a guarantee that I

00:14:15 ◼   ► won't but if she doesn't like something

00:14:17 ◼   ► that's like a glowing endorsement to me

00:14:19 ◼   ► and like if I see her on Facebook saying

00:14:21 ◼   ► I just saw this thing and it was

00:14:22 ◼   ► terrible to me that's like that sets off

00:14:25 ◼   ► an alarm bell saying I need to watch

00:14:26 ◼   ► that it's probably really good it's bit

00:14:29 ◼   ► of a running joke between us but it's

00:14:30 ◼   ► become so strong that actually is a

00:14:32 ◼   ► really really good indicator as to

00:14:34 ◼   ► whether I like or not like something

00:14:35 ◼   ► just look at what she likes and going

00:14:37 ◼   ► the exact opposite yeah that's right so

00:14:39 ◼   ► someone who is always wrong is actually

00:14:42 ◼   ► always right as well that's how that

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00:16:50 ◼   ► show I have a little bit of follow-up

00:16:52 ◼   ► Brady some travel follow-up I happened

00:16:55 ◼   ► to have been on a lot of flights in the

00:16:59 ◼   ► past three months or so way more than

00:17:01 ◼   ► normal and my carrier is British Airways

00:17:07 ◼   ► commiserations I'm not a fan of them at

00:17:09 ◼   ► the moment so why are you not a fan of

00:17:10 ◼   ► them breeding I think they're getting a

00:17:11 ◼   ► bit tired I don't think they're as

00:17:12 ◼   ► prestigious as they used to be I think

00:17:14 ◼   ► that they've actually been having a lot

00:17:15 ◼   ► of problems with people complaining

00:17:16 ◼   ► about how dirty their planes are - but

00:17:18 ◼   ► apparently I don't I didn't realize they

00:17:20 ◼   ► were a prestigious brand they're just I

00:17:23 ◼   ► select Airlines based on where they go

00:17:25 ◼   ► and ba is the one that goes where I

00:17:27 ◼   ► needed to go okay like we all pretend

00:17:29 ◼   ► like there's some kind of crazy

00:17:30 ◼   ► competition but there really is it like

00:17:32 ◼   ► as soon as you have more than one or two

00:17:33 ◼   ► cities that you need to go to it's like

00:17:35 ◼   ► well you're really going to be down to a

00:17:36 ◼   ► single airline it's gonna do most of

00:17:38 ◼   ► those flights yeah that's true for some

00:17:39 ◼   ► place I've got to fly really long float

00:17:41 ◼   ► be a next month because they're the only

00:17:43 ◼   ► people going we're only to go so yeah

00:17:45 ◼   ► it's like railway competition

00:17:46 ◼   ► in the UK we're like we have all these

00:17:47 ◼   ► private companies competing with each

00:17:49 ◼   ► other to manage the railroads it's like

00:17:50 ◼   ► yeah but there's only one railroad going

00:17:52 ◼   ► to this like there's no competition

00:17:53 ◼   ► there that doesn't work at all yeah

00:17:55 ◼   ► anyway the airlines are the same way but

00:17:57 ◼   ► I feel like I have been victimized by

00:18:02 ◼   ► the safety video that I have had to

00:18:05 ◼   ► watch so many times over the past

00:18:08 ◼   ► several months which is British Airways

00:18:10 ◼   ► not just doing a safety video but doing

00:18:14 ◼   ► a comedy safety video that is also for

00:18:19 ◼   ► charity yeah and I feel like I've seen

00:18:23 ◼   ► this thing so many times I have heard

00:18:25 ◼   ► flight attendants complain about it

00:18:28 ◼   ► while it is on to other passengers these

00:18:31 ◼   ► videos they're always really terrible

00:18:33 ◼   ► but there is there is something about a

00:18:35 ◼   ► thing that is now two things at once

00:18:38 ◼   ► it's not just a bad safety video that's

00:18:41 ◼   ► trying to make you laugh but it's also a

00:18:44 ◼   ► thing that's asking for your money and I

00:18:47 ◼   ► feel like I cannot psychologically deal

00:18:50 ◼   ► with it and I sent you the link and it

00:18:53 ◼   ► is the longest slowest safety video ever

00:18:57 ◼   ► because they have all of this extra time

00:19:00 ◼   ► for jokes and then also asking for your

00:19:02 ◼   ► money and I feel like I am gonna I'm

00:19:05 ◼   ► gonna lose my mind please Airlines

00:19:06 ◼   ► please don't make your safety videos

00:19:09 ◼   ► comedies that are also simultaneously

00:19:11 ◼   ► asking for charitable donations please

00:19:14 ◼   ► don't do this it's terrible I resent

00:19:16 ◼   ► being held hostage to this so many times

00:19:19 ◼   ► I watched her you sent me a link to a

00:19:21 ◼   ► course on YouTube and I watched riot so

00:19:23 ◼   ► a bit of context for people that's been

00:19:26 ◼   ► made for the BBC's comic relief campaign

00:19:29 ◼   ► that they run all the time so anything

00:19:32 ◼   ► that has the banner of comic relief and

00:19:33 ◼   ► this this fundraising charity thing they

00:19:35 ◼   ► do gives them the ability to pull in all

00:19:37 ◼   ► these big stars because stars love doing

00:19:39 ◼   ► things for comic relief I'm also not

00:19:41 ◼   ► entirely familiar with what comic relief

00:19:43 ◼   ► is yeah either but it did look like some

00:19:45 ◼   ► kind of a celebrity Club as far as I can

00:19:47 ◼   ► tell yes every second year the BBC for

00:19:50 ◼   ► about a month or so has this big comic

00:19:51 ◼   ► relief fundraising campaign which

00:19:54 ◼   ► culminates with a big TV show with lots

00:19:56 ◼   ► of comedians and stars doing funny skits

00:19:58 ◼   ► and things to raise all this money for

00:20:00 ◼   ► and then in the alternate years they

00:20:02 ◼   ► have Sport Relief where sports stars do

00:20:04 ◼   ► things for charity and raise money so

00:20:06 ◼   ► anyway this has been done under the

00:20:08 ◼   ► auspices of comic relief in cooperation

00:20:10 ◼   ► with VA so they've done the safety video

00:20:13 ◼   ► all these big stars have been in it and

00:20:16 ◼   ► agreed to do it and are trying to be

00:20:18 ◼   ► funny and you send it to me hmm

00:20:21 ◼   ► and I mean it's not new to make safety

00:20:24 ◼   ► videos try to be funny this has been

00:20:26 ◼   ► going on for a few years now yeah and

00:20:28 ◼   ► the first minute or two I found really

00:20:31 ◼   ► funny the first minute and a half to two

00:20:32 ◼   ► minutes I thought oh no this is actually

00:20:35 ◼   ► quite funny grey and I gonna have it

00:20:37 ◼   ► because I cuz I was actually in

00:20:38 ◼   ► chuckling at the first couple of things

00:20:40 ◼   ► I thought the guy who was playing the

00:20:41 ◼   ► director at first was quite funny and

00:20:44 ◼   ► the way he was reacting all these stars

00:20:46 ◼   ► are auditioning to be in the safety

00:20:47 ◼   ► video and this is sort of funny director

00:20:49 ◼   ► who's like telling them what to do and

00:20:51 ◼   ► funny in a thousand air quotes funny yes

00:20:53 ◼   ► well effort at first he was funny the

00:20:55 ◼   ► first couple were quite good I liked it

00:20:57 ◼   ► mhm and then I thought ah no groan are

00:20:59 ◼   ► gonna have a big fight because obviously

00:21:00 ◼   ► grey is not gonna like this but the

00:21:03 ◼   ► problem with it was after that initial

00:21:05 ◼   ► hmm that's quite funny they just float

00:21:08 ◼   ► the dead horse of the joke they got the

00:21:10 ◼   ► pacing all wrong mm-hmm it was too slow

00:21:13 ◼   ► it's way way too long and you begin

00:21:17 ◼   ► losing the will to live it loses

00:21:19 ◼   ► funniness too they start wheeling out

00:21:21 ◼   ► less and less funny people which

00:21:23 ◼   ► culminates at the very end with Rowan

00:21:25 ◼   ► Atkinson doing mr. bean which he must he

00:21:28 ◼   ► must stop doing that mr. bean was so

00:21:30 ◼   ► funny back in the day but not only is

00:21:33 ◼   ► the comedy of mr. bean not funny anymore

00:21:35 ◼   ► but watching him do it when you so much

00:21:37 ◼   ► older it's a bit like there's something

00:21:39 ◼   ► a bit sad about watching him do mr. bean

00:21:41 ◼   ► now but it's like oh man you still

00:21:43 ◼   ► having to do that it's yeah it's

00:21:45 ◼   ► especially weird from my perspective

00:21:46 ◼   ► because I've never seen the original mr.

00:21:49 ◼   ► bean I've only ever seen him do this

00:21:51 ◼   ► thing referencing this show yeah

00:21:55 ◼   ► it becomes very strangely meta it's like

00:21:57 ◼   ► is that just what Rowan Atkinson is like

00:21:59 ◼   ► is that what he just does is this him

00:22:02 ◼   ► the best FlightSafety video in the world

00:22:04 ◼   ► would start getting boring and tedious

00:22:05 ◼   ► after four or five flights close to each

00:22:08 ◼   ► other which is what happens you know

00:22:10 ◼   ► when you start having to travel a lot

00:22:12 ◼   ► and koechlin's planes

00:22:13 ◼   ► but this one did have the unusual

00:22:15 ◼   ► distinction of becoming tedious within

00:22:17 ◼   ► the first viewing of it which is quite

00:22:19 ◼   ► an accomplishment

00:22:20 ◼   ► it is almost impressive if we're gonna

00:22:22 ◼   ► do critiques of airline safety videos

00:22:24 ◼   ► here I feel like I wish poison spoilers

00:22:27 ◼   ► do we even to say score okay no that's

00:22:32 ◼   ► not how that works just a thing in the

00:22:33 ◼   ► world there's not spoilers for a thing

00:22:35 ◼   ► if it exists in the world okay because I

00:22:38 ◼   ► just ruined the mr. Bane ending because

00:22:40 ◼   ► his appearance at the end I think is

00:22:41 ◼   ► supposed to be like a surprise finale

00:22:43 ◼   ► yeah and what it is to me it's the final

00:22:46 ◼   ► bullet in the horse on the ground it's

00:22:48 ◼   ► like okay yeah this one can't be saved

00:22:51 ◼   ► yeah we're at mr. babe but like having

00:22:56 ◼   ► watched this thing so many times and

00:22:58 ◼   ► needing to critique it I feel like okay

00:23:01 ◼   ► many of these airline safety videos they

00:23:03 ◼   ► have the problem of they're trying to do

00:23:05 ◼   ► so much to dazzle you to keep you

00:23:08 ◼   ► entertained like people have sent like

00:23:09 ◼   ► these crazy music video safety videos

00:23:13 ◼   ► where there's just like all of these

00:23:15 ◼   ► dancers and things are moving around and

00:23:17 ◼   ► there's flashing lights and dead to

00:23:18 ◼   ► death and it's like okay it's too much

00:23:21 ◼   ► remember this is a plane right that

00:23:23 ◼   ► we're on we're supposed to be learning

00:23:24 ◼   ► about how to save our lives right not

00:23:26 ◼   ► like watching like an ensemble cast

00:23:27 ◼   ► dancing extravaganza but with this

00:23:30 ◼   ► safety video

00:23:31 ◼   ► it's like someone said okay let's take

00:23:33 ◼   ► it down let's take it down strip it back

00:23:35 ◼   ► we're gonna strip it back yeah and what

00:23:37 ◼   ► we're gonna do is we're just going to

00:23:39 ◼   ► have actors in a like a black mirror

00:23:44 ◼   ► infinite white void of nothingness

00:23:46 ◼   ► talking to you just a comedy do it oh

00:23:49 ◼   ► let the actors just exactly like just

00:23:52 ◼   ► let the comedy stand for itself at best

00:23:54 ◼   ► it will give you a mild chuckle a couple

00:23:58 ◼   ► of times yeah but it's they scale it

00:24:00 ◼   ► back and it's so right it's so

00:24:07 ◼   ► incredibly slow it was also like I think

00:24:10 ◼   ► they thought maybe the star power would

00:24:12 ◼   ► overwhelm us but like the star power is

00:24:14 ◼   ► not quite starry enough it's like a

00:24:16 ◼   ► minus 2b plus to us it's not a plus does

00:24:19 ◼   ► it's not even like oh my god I can't

00:24:21 ◼   ► believe they got Brad Pitt to do it it's

00:24:23 ◼   ► like oh they got that guy that's in that

00:24:25 ◼   ► comedy show that I saw

00:24:27 ◼   ► that time what's-his-name Oh can't

00:24:29 ◼   ► memories nine but you know that guy yeah

00:24:30 ◼   ► let me go through it okay so like I

00:24:31 ◼   ► don't know if the director is supposed

00:24:33 ◼   ► to be someone that I would know but I

00:24:34 ◼   ► have no idea who that person is I'm

00:24:35 ◼   ► going to assume he's a nobody sorry

00:24:37 ◼   ► director actor guy I have no idea who

00:24:39 ◼   ► you are he was the best guy in it by

00:24:41 ◼   ► then okay so it's like next up we have

00:24:44 ◼   ► guy from Love Actually whose name I

00:24:46 ◼   ► can't remember then next up we have the

00:24:49 ◼   ► chef who's yelling Gordon Ramsay write

00:24:51 ◼   ► that and Ramsay then we have like woman

00:24:54 ◼   ► I've never seen before in my entire life

00:24:56 ◼   ► I have no idea who she is

00:24:58 ◼   ► next up we have Gandalf and the guy who

00:25:02 ◼   ► played wicket it's like okay great got

00:25:05 ◼   ► it we're gonna move on Davis yeah Davis

00:25:08 ◼   ► like I couldn't remember his name next

00:25:09 ◼   ► up we have some British guy I have no

00:25:12 ◼   ► idea who he is

00:25:12 ◼   ► I don't think I've ever seen him before

00:25:14 ◼   ► in my life right next up we have an old

00:25:17 ◼   ► guy who looks like a character after who

00:25:19 ◼   ► I feel like I probably seen your face in

00:25:21 ◼   ► movies before but I couldn't possibly

00:25:22 ◼   ► think yeah James is dead I can't believe

00:25:29 ◼   ► I couldn't place him it literally saw

00:25:31 ◼   ► Bridget Jones's baby like a week ago and

00:25:36 ◼   ► Bridget Jones baby can't really

00:25:38 ◼   ► recommend that movie okay next going up

00:25:39 ◼   ► okay so now we come up to who for me is

00:25:42 ◼   ► the most recognizable person we've got

00:25:43 ◼   ► Gillian Anderson and it's like okay but

00:25:46 ◼   ► I am aware that they have the director

00:25:47 ◼   ► like make reference to you're not

00:25:50 ◼   ► auditioning for the x-files like try

00:25:52 ◼   ► like nudge the audience but who this

00:25:53 ◼   ► person is in case they can't place it

00:25:55 ◼   ► so that's everybody and then like you

00:25:57 ◼   ► said it's mr. bean at the end doing his

00:26:00 ◼   ► mr. bean thing I agree with you like it

00:26:02 ◼   ► is not star powering dazzling Ness it's

00:26:06 ◼   ► like Gandalf and Gillian Anderson those

00:26:09 ◼   ► are the two most recognizable to me

00:26:10 ◼   ► anyway it's just not very funny it's

00:26:12 ◼   ► funny at the start and I don't think

00:26:14 ◼   ► it's cuz the joke wore off I just think

00:26:16 ◼   ► it's just it's just funnier at the start

00:26:18 ◼   ► yeah but also as it got into its sixth

00:26:20 ◼   ► minute I was starting to think like are

00:26:23 ◼   ► all safety videos this long there's this

00:26:25 ◼   ► much information they have or have they

00:26:27 ◼   ► somehow really stretched it out because

00:26:29 ◼   ► they seem to be doing all the same

00:26:31 ◼   ► things a safety video does and safety

00:26:34 ◼   ► videos are never fast spoken so like

00:26:37 ◼   ► they're not speaking much slower are

00:26:39 ◼   ► they is there that much filler it

00:26:41 ◼   ► how long is a normal safety video I

00:26:43 ◼   ► don't know Wow okay so I was gonna say I

00:26:45 ◼   ► feel like this is about the same as all

00:26:47 ◼   ► the rest of them but the original one

00:26:49 ◼   ► that started are complaining about this

00:26:51 ◼   ► which is the United Airlines safety is

00:26:52 ◼   ► global one which I feel like is filled

00:26:54 ◼   ► with so much ridiculousness of like

00:26:57 ◼   ► setting up establishing shots of where

00:26:59 ◼   ► they are and all sorts of dumbness that

00:27:01 ◼   ► is yes that's about three and a half yes

00:27:03 ◼   ► it's it's four and a half minutes long

00:27:05 ◼   ► so I was thinking like oh surely it must

00:27:07 ◼   ► be the same but that one is now like

00:27:09 ◼   ► like a zippy adventure all over the

00:27:11 ◼   ► world compared to this one from British

00:27:13 ◼   ► Airways I'm guessing that this is just

00:27:16 ◼   ► way slower than most of them are going

00:27:18 ◼   ► to be but why are these things so awful

00:27:21 ◼   ► and I know it's for charity but there is

00:27:24 ◼   ► something about like you've made me

00:27:25 ◼   ► watch this terrible thing and you're

00:27:27 ◼   ► asking me for something at the end and

00:27:29 ◼   ► I'm like I'm sure it's feeding children

00:27:31 ◼   ► across the world or whatever but it's

00:27:33 ◼   ► like you've made me sit through this

00:27:34 ◼   ► awful thing and now you're asking me for

00:27:36 ◼   ► money it's like I just hate like it's it

00:27:39 ◼   ► got me on these two levels Brady is

00:27:41 ◼   ► awful it's absolutely awful like you're

00:27:43 ◼   ► gonna ask me for money

00:27:44 ◼   ► make me laugh right put me in a happy

00:27:46 ◼   ► mood like don't infuriate me with his

00:27:48 ◼   ► unfunny nonsense and like I said I was

00:27:51 ◼   ► amazed to hear actual flight attendants

00:27:53 ◼   ► complaining to passengers about this

00:27:55 ◼   ► more than once and then I was watching

00:27:57 ◼   ► them as this thing was playing it's like

00:27:58 ◼   ► and they all had that dead thousand-yard

00:28:00 ◼   ► stare in their eyes as this thing was

00:28:02 ◼   ► going over the PA like to all the flight

00:28:05 ◼   ► attendants working on British Airways I

00:28:07 ◼   ► am so sorry for you during this season

00:28:10 ◼   ► I don't know when comic relief season

00:28:12 ◼   ► ends but I hope it's soon for everyone's

00:28:15 ◼   ► sake the problem is you with you doing a

00:28:17 ◼   ► safety video as well it has to be like

00:28:19 ◼   ► safe old person humor because you can't

00:28:22 ◼   ► make edgy jokes about aircraft safety

00:28:24 ◼   ► because people have like anxiety attacks

00:28:25 ◼   ► like for example when the dude was doing

00:28:28 ◼   ► the bit about the life jacket and the

00:28:30 ◼   ► whistle but he's quite a funny guy and

00:28:33 ◼   ► that could have been funny but he just

00:28:34 ◼   ► made some joke you can blow this to get

00:28:35 ◼   ► attention you know if you like getting

00:28:37 ◼   ► attention why haha that's the moment

00:28:39 ◼   ► where you could have been funny like you

00:28:40 ◼   ► know you could blow this to get

00:28:41 ◼   ► attention the attention of people who

00:28:43 ◼   ► didn't see the seven four seven that

00:28:45 ◼   ► just crashed right next to them or

00:28:47 ◼   ► something like that you know you could

00:28:48 ◼   ► have made some jokes about the ordeal of

00:28:50 ◼   ► a plane crash but

00:28:51 ◼   ► you know I guess you can't really do

00:28:53 ◼   ► that because everyone Alaskan off the

00:28:55 ◼   ► plane but you might want that in your

00:28:56 ◼   ► airline safety videos but I don't like

00:28:59 ◼   ► this comic relief video but I'm telling

00:29:01 ◼   ► you right now I wouldn't appreciate a

00:29:03 ◼   ► video that was filled with nothing but

00:29:05 ◼   ► death and destruction as the airline

00:29:06 ◼   ► safety video no matter how genuinely

00:29:08 ◼   ► effective it might be if the plane flips

00:29:11 ◼   ► in the ocean like this footage here of

00:29:12 ◼   ► Ethiopia lies in I just have the pilot

00:29:16 ◼   ► come on I like dead serious system you

00:29:17 ◼   ► like you need to pay attention because

00:29:19 ◼   ► if you don't this is what happens and

00:29:20 ◼   ► then like 30 seconds of the most

00:29:22 ◼   ► horrific footage you can imagine like

00:29:24 ◼   ► take off your goddamn headphones and

00:29:27 ◼   ► listen I see this picture of this person

00:29:30 ◼   ► here they didn't wear a seatbelt yeah

00:29:33 ◼   ► don't don't actually do that air wise

00:29:34 ◼   ► that would be bad but possibly inventive

00:29:37 ◼   ► I've got a little spoilery papercut

00:29:40 ◼   ► thing on my mind here because I think

00:29:43 ◼   ► telling people even if you think

00:29:45 ◼   ► something is good or bad counts as a

00:29:48 ◼   ► spoiler and I bet you agree - yep

00:29:50 ◼   ► completely agree yeah like I don't want

00:29:52 ◼   ► to know if the film was good or bad you

00:29:54 ◼   ► know the most you can tell me is that

00:29:55 ◼   ► the film is out and here's where you can

00:29:58 ◼   ► see it right or whether the ticket

00:30:00 ◼   ► prices like with your friend that

00:30:01 ◼   ► friendly mentioned if she tells you what

00:30:03 ◼   ► she thinks of a movie

00:30:04 ◼   ► it's totally spoiled there I think you

00:30:06 ◼   ► need to avoid even how good a film is so

00:30:08 ◼   ► the BBC News website but there are

00:30:11 ◼   ► places where I expect to stumble over

00:30:13 ◼   ► spoilers like the movie review section

00:30:16 ◼   ► of a newspaper or something like that

00:30:17 ◼   ► you know okay if I'm wading through

00:30:19 ◼   ► there okay I might see something I don't

00:30:22 ◼   ► want to see yeah if you're digging

00:30:23 ◼   ► around on Rotten Tomatoes you can't be

00:30:25 ◼   ► surprised if you're spoiled

00:30:26 ◼   ► exactly but the BBC News website for

00:30:30 ◼   ► reasons that are beyond me anyway have

00:30:32 ◼   ► decided to start reviewing films like

00:30:34 ◼   ► big films when they come out and what

00:30:37 ◼   ► they do is they quite often we'll put

00:30:39 ◼   ► these reviews on like the front page of

00:30:41 ◼   ► their news website and the other thing

00:30:44 ◼   ► they do is in the headline so on the

00:30:46 ◼   ► front page with the BBC news website in

00:30:48 ◼   ► the headline next to the name of the

00:30:51 ◼   ► film they have the star rating that

00:30:53 ◼   ► they've given her so I'll just be

00:30:55 ◼   ► looking I'll be scrolling down the front

00:30:56 ◼   ► page of the BBC News website and it will

00:30:58 ◼   ► say you know man dies in plane crash

00:31:01 ◼   ► latest bricks at negotiations and then

00:31:03 ◼   ► the next thing down we'll say the LA

00:31:05 ◼   ► Jedi three out of four stars mm-hmm like

00:31:08 ◼   ► as a headline on a news website I can't

00:31:12 ◼   ► believe they do that fair enough if they

00:31:14 ◼   ► said review of the last Jedi and then if

00:31:16 ◼   ► I clicked on that I can go and read the

00:31:17 ◼   ► review all right I clicked on it but

00:31:20 ◼   ► putting the star in the headline on the

00:31:22 ◼   ► clicky clicky bit on the front page

00:31:25 ◼   ► where you can't help but see it not

00:31:27 ◼   ► happy not happy I don't know I feel like

00:31:30 ◼   ► I'm very sensitive to spoilers I agree

00:31:32 ◼   ► that it would be better if they didn't

00:31:34 ◼   ► but it can't really feel like the BBC

00:31:37 ◼   ► has an opinion of the Star Wars movie

00:31:40 ◼   ► anyway well yeah that's a whole other

00:31:43 ◼   ► question whether the news website should

00:31:44 ◼   ► be reviewing a fair enough a movie

00:31:46 ◼   ► review show or something that they do

00:31:47 ◼   ► but yeah well yeah I mean I'm surprised

00:31:49 ◼   ► the BBC wasn't reviewing movies already

00:31:51 ◼   ► I could just assume there'd be a thing

00:31:52 ◼   ► that they do but they don't review

00:31:54 ◼   ► movies across their content and radio

00:31:56 ◼   ► shows and they have they have a movie

00:31:58 ◼   ► review TV show but having on their news

00:32:00 ◼   ► website this review but the star rating

00:32:02 ◼   ► riddle me this then you don't care about

00:32:06 ◼   ► it mmm what does it even achieve having

00:32:08 ◼   ► the star rating in the headline to click

00:32:11 ◼   ► you through I mean I guess that what you

00:32:13 ◼   ► just said there is what it achieves it's

00:32:14 ◼   ► probably there to get you to click

00:32:16 ◼   ► through I'm guessing like knowing how

00:32:17 ◼   ► many stars the reviewer gave it does

00:32:19 ◼   ► that make you more likely or less likely

00:32:21 ◼   ► to read it I feel like I would be more

00:32:24 ◼   ► likely to click that more likely if it

00:32:25 ◼   ► gets a high rating or a low rating hmm I

00:32:28 ◼   ► don't know if it's true but I feel like

00:32:29 ◼   ► I would be more likely to click a thing

00:32:31 ◼   ► that has the rating in the title just in

00:32:33 ◼   ► general because it almost feels a bit

00:32:36 ◼   ► like the you won't believe kind of

00:32:39 ◼   ► headlines putting the star rating there

00:32:40 ◼   ► almost is asking a question which is why

00:32:44 ◼   ► did this rating happen what is the

00:32:46 ◼   ► reason for this rating okay I feel like

00:32:48 ◼   ► it's a more intriguing title than simply

00:32:50 ◼   ► saying Star Wars last Jedi review click

00:32:53 ◼   ► here okay like Star Wars the last Jedi

00:32:55 ◼   ► review 3 out of 5 stars

00:32:56 ◼   ► click here is more intriguing it draws

00:32:58 ◼   ► the mouse pointer nearer I see what you

00:33:00 ◼   ► sign so I still think they shouldn't do

00:33:02 ◼   ► it for spoiler reasons but at least now

00:33:04 ◼   ► I understand why they do it I can't feel

00:33:06 ◼   ► like it's a spoiler Christmas podcast

00:33:09 ◼   ► episode brady and gray don't like the

00:33:12 ◼   ► last yet either why did you not do that

00:33:13 ◼   ► i didn't think of it at the time maybe

00:33:15 ◼   ► I'll do that next year

00:33:17 ◼   ► look at next year's Star Wars

00:33:19 ◼   ► three out of five right that's what the

00:33:20 ◼   ► title is gonna be well I'll tell you why

00:33:23 ◼   ► and actually in all seriousness I think

00:33:25 ◼   ► you will a verb Radian greater okay so I

00:33:37 ◼   ► feel like this is connected to the

00:33:38 ◼   ► notion of why is it spoilery when

00:33:41 ◼   ► someone tells you what they think about

00:33:43 ◼   ► a movie or a TV show or whatever and I

00:33:45 ◼   ► feel like it's because the person who is

00:33:48 ◼   ► telling you you as the listener probably

00:33:52 ◼   ► have some concept of the kinds of things

00:33:54 ◼   ► that person likes and doesn't like this

00:33:56 ◼   ► is where the BBC is like oh hi BBC

00:33:58 ◼   ► you're just a faceless machine alright

00:34:00 ◼   ► you might as well be a robot telling me

00:34:02 ◼   ► that the movie has X out of five stars

00:34:05 ◼   ► like who cares about the opinion of like

00:34:07 ◼   ► a soulless conscious list machine so I

00:34:10 ◼   ► feel like that's kind of the same thing

00:34:12 ◼   ► with the BBC movie reviews like I mean

00:34:14 ◼   ► probably there's some poor person who's

00:34:16 ◼   ► writing that movie review but like for

00:34:18 ◼   ► the most part it doesn't feel like the

00:34:20 ◼   ► BBC or the New York Times or anybody

00:34:23 ◼   ► could have a meaningful opinion about

00:34:26 ◼   ► the movie whereas like particular movie

00:34:29 ◼   ► reviewers can have meaningful opinions

00:34:31 ◼   ► and thoughts about the movie and then

00:34:33 ◼   ► that would feel like a spoiler

00:34:34 ◼   ► well the BBC does have some of them but

00:34:36 ◼   ► yeah maybe that doesn't apply to the

00:34:38 ◼   ► website but I see what you're saying

00:34:39 ◼   ► whereas if I know what you think it's

00:34:40 ◼   ► like a you know but it's so simple all I

00:34:42 ◼   ► have to do is define what I know of you

00:34:43 ◼   ► know like mentally reverse-engineering

00:34:47 ◼   ► what it is okay well speaking of star

00:34:49 ◼   ► reviews mmm I just wanted to bring

00:34:51 ◼   ► something up that we have hardly ever

00:34:53 ◼   ► done if ever and that is talked about

00:34:55 ◼   ► people rating our podcast on iTunes

00:34:57 ◼   ► you know how lots of podcasts say hey

00:34:59 ◼   ► can you give us a star rating on iTunes

00:35:02 ◼   ► because it helps us with the algorithm

00:35:03 ◼   ► and more people will find us and stuff I

00:35:05 ◼   ► think you and I both have always been

00:35:07 ◼   ► pretty reluctant to do that yeah I feel

00:35:09 ◼   ► like it has been a long time since we

00:35:11 ◼   ► were playing the what country are you

00:35:13 ◼   ► from game with our podcast reviews well

00:35:16 ◼   ► I'm gonna throw this out for people to

00:35:18 ◼   ► give us a star review on iTunes

00:35:21 ◼   ► preferably a high one but not for the

00:35:24 ◼   ► reason you might think all right not for

00:35:26 ◼   ► like the algorithm and to you know get

00:35:29 ◼   ► recommended to more people I mean that

00:35:30 ◼   ► would be lovely but that's

00:35:31 ◼   ► the race I don't think that really works

00:35:33 ◼   ► but okay I don't know I don't know my

00:35:36 ◼   ► reasons is far more shallow okay great

00:35:41 ◼   ► perfect you know what I feel like it's

00:35:43 ◼   ► already going to be more effective yeah

00:35:45 ◼   ► and that is this basically when I know

00:35:48 ◼   ► people people like my wife and my

00:35:50 ◼   ► friends and stuff like that but this

00:35:51 ◼   ► recently happened I think with my wife

00:35:53 ◼   ► she had a high-powered meeting with some

00:35:55 ◼   ► influential people in the world of like

00:35:57 ◼   ► media and podcast II stuff she was just

00:35:59 ◼   ► talking to them and she said to them oh

00:36:02 ◼   ► my husband does a podcast that is that

00:36:05 ◼   ► you know is quite successful when does

00:36:07 ◼   ► quite well mm-hmm like the person at the

00:36:10 ◼   ► meeting said ah what's a cold like all

00:36:12 ◼   ► excited because they are into podcasts

00:36:14 ◼   ► and I'm she makes she said hello

00:36:15 ◼   ► Internet I hope that's what she said the

00:36:18 ◼   ► guy was like ah you know I've never

00:36:19 ◼   ► heard of it mm-hmm fair enough you know

00:36:21 ◼   ► a good proportion of the world's

00:36:23 ◼   ► population haven't heard of hello

00:36:24 ◼   ► Internet I accept that but then it

00:36:27 ◼   ► occurred to me he probably would then

00:36:29 ◼   ► have checked the podcast is to see what

00:36:31 ◼   ► it was and what it was about and what it

00:36:32 ◼   ► was like and when you go away and check

00:36:34 ◼   ► someone's like YouTube channels or

00:36:35 ◼   ► Twitter account or something you can

00:36:37 ◼   ► very quickly see if that claim is legit

00:36:40 ◼   ► like is this really a big YouTube

00:36:42 ◼   ► channel just have a lot of subscribers

00:36:43 ◼   ► is this person really influential do

00:36:45 ◼   ► they have a lot of Twitter followers or

00:36:46 ◼   ► was that all talk with the podcast the

00:36:48 ◼   ► only thing you can do is go to iTunes

00:36:50 ◼   ► and look at how many star ratings the

00:36:53 ◼   ► podcast has and if it has lots and lots

00:36:55 ◼   ► of people have reviewed it you'll say oh

00:36:57 ◼   ► yeah okay yeah that is people must

00:36:59 ◼   ► listen to that podcast and if it has

00:37:01 ◼   ► just a handful you think arts just you

00:37:02 ◼   ► know a couple of guys in their bedroom

00:37:04 ◼   ► and and no one listens and it suddenly

00:37:07 ◼   ► occurred to me to a stranger who's not

00:37:09 ◼   ► aware with like you know the world of

00:37:11 ◼   ► Tim foolery and doesn't hang out on the

00:37:13 ◼   ► subreddit and hasn't where I know

00:37:15 ◼   ► followed the podcast for years the only

00:37:16 ◼   ► thing we can be judged by is the number

00:37:18 ◼   ► of star ratings and like I'm okay I can

00:37:21 ◼   ► live with people thinking hello

00:37:22 ◼   ► internets big or small but in that

00:37:25 ◼   ► particular little situation I suddenly

00:37:27 ◼   ► thought no I don't actually know how

00:37:29 ◼   ► many star ratings we have maybe we have

00:37:31 ◼   ► loads but it just suddenly occurred to

00:37:33 ◼   ► me that our that's a good thing about

00:37:34 ◼   ► star ratings forget the algorithm if

00:37:36 ◼   ► someone checks up on the podcast to find

00:37:39 ◼   ► out whether it's legit whether it's like

00:37:41 ◼   ► a good podcast or not that's all they

00:37:42 ◼   ► can look at it is a strange thing

00:37:45 ◼   ► in the podcast world how under this veil

00:37:49 ◼   ► of secrecy everything is because I often

00:37:50 ◼   ► want to know like how big is somebody

00:37:52 ◼   ► else's pocket and you just have no idea

00:37:53 ◼   ► it's funny it never really occurred to

00:37:55 ◼   ► me to go look at iTunes and look at the

00:37:56 ◼   ► reviews but I feel like that is also a

00:37:58 ◼   ► case of that is still going to be pretty

00:38:02 ◼   ► inconsistent because some podcasts beg

00:38:05 ◼   ► for reviews at the end of every episode

00:38:06 ◼   ► and some podcasts you know like ours

00:38:09 ◼   ► don't ever ask for reviews except in the

00:38:11 ◼   ► very beginning whatever getting started

00:38:12 ◼   ► and today right and this very moment

00:38:15 ◼   ► right now as you should be on on your

00:38:17 ◼   ► podcast app opening up the iTunes don't

00:38:19 ◼   ► do a radio tom style like automated

00:38:22 ◼   ► process where like they're the Apple

00:38:24 ◼   ► servers collapse under some automated

00:38:26 ◼   ► star system where there's more we get

00:38:29 ◼   ► more star ratings that there are stars

00:38:30 ◼   ► in the Milky Way or something great

00:38:32 ◼   ► rating nobody was thinking that until

00:38:34 ◼   ► you mentioned it so thanks okay great

00:38:36 ◼   ► yeah okay so change if that happens yeah

00:38:42 ◼   ► so actual humans only yes Brady for his

00:38:45 ◼   ► vanity project would like more reviews

00:38:48 ◼   ► and iTunes that's the only humans need

00:38:51 ◼   ► apply right only humans need a fly but

00:38:53 ◼   ► Grady wants to be able to impress people

00:38:55 ◼   ► and show them real proof that the

00:38:57 ◼   ► podcast is a big deal so I guess we're

00:39:00 ◼   ► asking for reviews no it's more other

00:39:03 ◼   ► people like my friends and stuff like

00:39:05 ◼   ► that like it's not about me wanting to

00:39:07 ◼   ► like you know I can do make up a number

00:39:09 ◼   ► oh yeah we hundred million downloads

00:39:11 ◼   ► just yesterday so wait can I just be

00:39:14 ◼   ► clear here so this isn't even this is

00:39:16 ◼   ► not something you want for you directly

00:39:17 ◼   ► now this is like second hand

00:39:20 ◼   ► conversations that people you know are

00:39:22 ◼   ► having about you it's someone I know who

00:39:25 ◼   ► recommend to someone I know who knows

00:39:26 ◼   ► someone else who might go and have a

00:39:28 ◼   ► look to see how many stars we've got

00:39:29 ◼   ► okay great I wasn't it'll be like a

00:39:31 ◼   ► decent number how many ratings if we go

00:39:37 ◼   ► we currently have 661 ratings with a

00:39:41 ◼   ► five-star average is that good

00:39:43 ◼   ► Oh co-op star sounds good base 661 good

00:39:45 ◼   ► I have no idea what podcast ratings are

00:39:47 ◼   ► but whatever that is we're just gonna

00:39:49 ◼   ► say right now far too low for whatever

00:39:52 ◼   ► should have right it's this should be

00:39:54 ◼   ► ten thousand five star ratings sorry

00:39:58 ◼   ► thousand

00:39:59 ◼   ► yes that's what we're going for just go

00:40:01 ◼   ► into iTunes click the star for your mate

00:40:03 ◼   ► Brady

00:40:03 ◼   ► it's not about gaming the algorithm I

00:40:05 ◼   ► couldn't care less about that it's just

00:40:06 ◼   ► about purely about vanity I like this

00:40:09 ◼   ► you know what I swear to God I feel like

00:40:11 ◼   ► that's a more pure desire just being

00:40:16 ◼   ► real upfront about it is like Hades

00:40:18 ◼   ► feeling a bit like he wants his vanity

00:40:20 ◼   ► flattered why don't you help out with

00:40:21 ◼   ► that people and I am 100% convinced that

00:40:24 ◼   ► all those podcasts had asked for four

00:40:26 ◼   ► reviews and ratings at the end like I

00:40:28 ◼   ► just do not think that really matters

00:40:30 ◼   ► like as far as I can tell I don't think

00:40:31 ◼   ► that really matters in iTunes land maybe

00:40:34 ◼   ► it does in other podcast players but

00:40:35 ◼   ► like on iTunes anyway I don't think it

00:40:37 ◼   ► makes any difference I think it does

00:40:39 ◼   ► matter because there is a bit of the

00:40:41 ◼   ► rich get richer and the thing on iTunes

00:40:44 ◼   ► isn't there like if a successful podcast

00:40:45 ◼   ► launches another one and that sort of

00:40:47 ◼   ► stuff I think there is a bit of

00:40:48 ◼   ► algorithmic stuff going on there to be

00:40:52 ◼   ► gamed don't get me wrong there's a rich

00:40:53 ◼   ► gets richer effect but what I'm saying

00:40:56 ◼   ► is I don't think there's any relation

00:40:58 ◼   ► between the number of reviews and like

00:41:01 ◼   ► promotion on iTunes I don't think

00:41:04 ◼   ► there's a clear connection there I think

00:41:07 ◼   ► there is I think when you search

00:41:08 ◼   ► something like if you go into the eye

00:41:10 ◼   ► and search cricket you know and it

00:41:12 ◼   ► recommends a bunch of cricket podcast to

00:41:14 ◼   ► I think the ones with higher stars are

00:41:16 ◼   ► getting recommended before ones with two

00:41:18 ◼   ► stars I could be wrong and this this

00:41:20 ◼   ► information could be outdated but the

00:41:22 ◼   ► impression that I got is that the at

00:41:25 ◼   ► least on iTunes the recommendations are

00:41:28 ◼   ► largely based on a combination of two

00:41:30 ◼   ► things and then it's new people

00:41:33 ◼   ► subscribing and current download numbers

00:41:36 ◼   ► all right that was the impression that I

00:41:37 ◼   ► was given at one point that that is like

00:41:40 ◼   ► 90% of the recommendation effect and

00:41:42 ◼   ► that the review thing is less less of an

00:41:46 ◼   ► effect but that could be wrong well

00:41:48 ◼   ► great I was gonna make a joke right

00:41:50 ◼   ► this was the joke I was about to say

00:41:51 ◼   ► okay well I just searched Flags on my

00:41:54 ◼   ► podcast player and we weren't even on

00:41:56 ◼   ► the front page but to be honest I'd

00:41:58 ◼   ► asserts flags on my phone and we were

00:42:00 ◼   ► the Sikh recommended podcast okay

00:42:04 ◼   ► I take it back yeah hello we think that

00:42:08 ◼   ► soon to dominate the bee podcast market

00:42:10 ◼   ► oh I didn't think the bees I'm gonna

00:42:13 ◼   ► search bees and see if we get if we get

00:42:15 ◼   ► on the front page for bees

00:42:16 ◼   ► I am gonna say apples awesome it's a

00:42:19 ◼   ► dramatic moment bees I'm searching bees

00:42:23 ◼   ► podcasts we are on the first page and

00:42:26 ◼   ► we're in the top top 20 apple knows what

00:42:29 ◼   ► it's doing with bee and flag related

00:42:32 ◼   ► podcast recommendations so great I've

00:42:37 ◼   ► been requiring some social advice for

00:42:39 ◼   ► you because I know you're the master of

00:42:40 ◼   ► social situations oh oh no no Brady

00:42:42 ◼   ► don't ask me I feel like I've been

00:42:43 ◼   ► particularly bad about this lately okay

00:42:45 ◼   ► this is one just just want to throw it

00:42:48 ◼   ► out there cuz it's pagina it's part of

00:42:50 ◼   ► life I feel like you know people like

00:42:53 ◼   ► you and me know how to react if someone

00:42:54 ◼   ► says to us oh it's you know it's my

00:42:56 ◼   ► birthday or I'm getting married or we're

00:43:00 ◼   ► having a baby like you kind of know the

00:43:02 ◼   ► things you're supposed to say to someone

00:43:03 ◼   ► congratulations

00:43:04 ◼   ► yeah things like and if someone dies you

00:43:06 ◼   ► also know there are certain ways to

00:43:08 ◼   ► handle that it's a you know when someone

00:43:10 ◼   ► has had a bereavement and they tell you

00:43:11 ◼   ► about it I'm very sorry for your loss so

00:43:13 ◼   ► if you lost things like that what do you

00:43:16 ◼   ► say when someone tells you they're

00:43:17 ◼   ► getting divorced

00:43:18 ◼   ► cuz I had that one the other day and I

00:43:21 ◼   ► kind of know I know I know lots of

00:43:24 ◼   ► people who've gotten divorced obviously

00:43:25 ◼   ► because it's a really common thing but

00:43:26 ◼   ► like someone just said to me I'll you

00:43:28 ◼   ► know it's just so you're in the know I'm

00:43:30 ◼   ► just letting you know cuz you're my

00:43:31 ◼   ► friend and I'm I'm we're actually you

00:43:33 ◼   ► know we're getting divorced I didn't

00:43:35 ◼   ► really know exactly what to say or do I

00:43:37 ◼   ► don't know if I dropped the ball I

00:43:38 ◼   ► handed it well but I just realized I

00:43:41 ◼   ► don't know what the etiquette is for

00:43:42 ◼   ► that I feel like that etiquette is very

00:43:44 ◼   ► context dependent I mean the less I know

00:43:48 ◼   ► about someone I would say something like

00:43:50 ◼   ► oh I'm I'm so sorry that you're going

00:43:52 ◼   ► through that yeah like that might be my

00:43:54 ◼   ► default one but I could see in some

00:43:58 ◼   ► circumstances like the divorce is a

00:44:01 ◼   ► positive change possibly in both

00:44:03 ◼   ► people's lives there's so much more you

00:44:06 ◼   ► need to know isn't there like what's

00:44:07 ◼   ► initiated er how do you feel about it

00:44:09 ◼   ► yourself and like without all that

00:44:11 ◼   ► information it's very difficult to know

00:44:13 ◼   ► what to say I didn't immediately have

00:44:15 ◼   ► the words at my grass

00:44:16 ◼   ► I don't have a general answer for this

00:44:18 ◼   ► as I'm probably sure it doesn't surprise

00:44:20 ◼   ► you I also feel like I have heard about

00:44:22 ◼   ► a thing but maybe this is just one of

00:44:23 ◼   ► those like things on the internet that

00:44:25 ◼   ► isn't real but I have heard about the

00:44:27 ◼   ► concept of a divorce party where someone

00:44:29 ◼   ► is celebrating the fact that their

00:44:31 ◼   ► divorce has finally gone through and I

00:44:34 ◼   ► have like a party to establish like oh

00:44:37 ◼   ► this is a fresh start in life now like

00:44:40 ◼   ► you're beginning things over so I don't

00:44:42 ◼   ► know if that's real or not if anybody's

00:44:43 ◼   ► actually had a real divorce party or if

00:44:45 ◼   ► this is just like a meme are you

00:44:46 ◼   ► imagining a divorce party where both the

00:44:48 ◼   ► divorcee you know I don't know I fed

00:44:50 ◼   ► know I feel like this there is two

00:44:52 ◼   ► separate divorce okay right you know

00:44:54 ◼   ► after you as a couple have divided up

00:44:56 ◼   ► the friends you know so who's gonna get

00:44:57 ◼   ► who in the communal friend pool that you

00:44:59 ◼   ► have separate parties to celebrate the

00:45:03 ◼   ► divorce I know again I don't know if

00:45:04 ◼   ► that's real I just feel like this is a

00:45:05 ◼   ► thing that I have heard about but I

00:45:07 ◼   ► don't know why you'd be asking me about

00:45:09 ◼   ► social advice I don't have any idea I

00:45:11 ◼   ► always feel really awkward with those

00:45:13 ◼   ► standard replies anyway like obviously

00:45:15 ◼   ► they're the standard replies for a

00:45:17 ◼   ► reason but as feel like I should be more

00:45:20 ◼   ► creative somehow with expressing

00:45:23 ◼   ► condolence or congratulations like when

00:45:26 ◼   ► it's somebody's birthday and you send

00:45:27 ◼   ► them a text message you say oh

00:45:28 ◼   ► congratulations happy birthday I always

00:45:29 ◼   ► feel like I should be able to say more

00:45:32 ◼   ► especially if it's a person I know but

00:45:34 ◼   ► they're the kind of isn't a lot more to

00:45:36 ◼   ► say at those events like you just these

00:45:40 ◼   ► are the social motions that we go

00:45:41 ◼   ► through yep

00:45:42 ◼   ► I feel like this is the worst time that

00:45:45 ◼   ► you could have possibly asked me that's

00:45:46 ◼   ► because like I've had in my list a

00:45:50 ◼   ► question to ask you which is a much

00:45:52 ◼   ► simpler social question yeah but I

00:45:55 ◼   ► genuinely feel like I need help in this

00:45:58 ◼   ► area and then the question is how does

00:46:02 ◼   ► one greet people I feel like I've

00:46:06 ◼   ► forgotten how to greet people or I just

00:46:09 ◼   ► don't know anymore do you know what's

00:46:12 ◼   ► happened I blame myself for this know

00:46:15 ◼   ► myself for you having this problem I was

00:46:17 ◼   ► gonna say because you've seen this

00:46:18 ◼   ► you've seen this in person right you

00:46:20 ◼   ► know what I'm talking about

00:46:21 ◼   ► I feel like I introduced you to the

00:46:23 ◼   ► concept of the half handshake half hug

00:46:25 ◼   ► yes you did I think you were I think you

00:46:27 ◼   ► were the first person who did this and I

00:46:29 ◼   ► feel like it caught your

00:46:30 ◼   ► imagination as a good thing to do right

00:46:33 ◼   ► but you still haven't learned how to do

00:46:34 ◼   ► it right and so every time I see you you

00:46:36 ◼   ► try to do it and I'm like oh great

00:46:38 ◼   ► you're not feeling it

00:46:40 ◼   ► if you don't feel it don't do it right I

00:46:43 ◼   ► love doing it and I enjoy it but I feel

00:46:47 ◼   ► like you're overthinking it here's the

00:46:49 ◼   ► question for the listeners Brady has

00:46:50 ◼   ► this idea this thing that he's invented

00:46:52 ◼   ► which is a half handshake where like I

00:46:56 ◼   ► do break you don't hug the person you

00:47:01 ◼   ► sort of handshake and back slap at the

00:47:03 ◼   ► same time yeah yeah ugh I call a humble

00:47:07 ◼   ► hug okay got it

00:47:10 ◼   ► but you're keeping like a little bit of

00:47:12 ◼   ► distance because your hands are shaking

00:47:14 ◼   ► in between the two of you yeah and then

00:47:16 ◼   ► the hands go over the back like I gets a

00:47:18 ◼   ► hug we're like you know your belly

00:47:19 ◼   ► buttons wouldn't touch it's just like

00:47:21 ◼   ► right my right shoulder would touch your

00:47:23 ◼   ► right shoulder as our right hands shake

00:47:25 ◼   ► and then my left hand will touch the

00:47:27 ◼   ► back of your left shoulder I'm doing

00:47:29 ◼   ► this a friend of microphone right now

00:47:30 ◼   ► yeah okay I mean that it's a difficult

00:47:33 ◼   ► maneuver to pull off obviously this is

00:47:35 ◼   ► like 16 plus level greetings right this

00:47:38 ◼   ► is this is not for beginners yeah but I

00:47:40 ◼   ► also feel like I don't understand the

00:47:42 ◼   ► boundaries of social greetings anymore

00:47:45 ◼   ► it's like like how well do you have to

00:47:48 ◼   ► know someone to do a hug greeting hum

00:47:51 ◼   ► versus a hug well no no this is a

00:47:53 ◼   ► spectrum right we have the full spectrum

00:47:55 ◼   ► so on one end we have like a hug

00:47:58 ◼   ► right yeah and so we could say clearly

00:47:59 ◼   ► family members right you would greet a

00:48:02 ◼   ► family member with a hug yeah maybe a

00:48:03 ◼   ► kiss on the cheek right that's one clear

00:48:06 ◼   ► clear end who I'm allowed to kiss so I

00:48:08 ◼   ► find difficult no no let's just put that

00:48:11 ◼   ► aside just for the moment like we can

00:48:12 ◼   ► return to this but all right then on the

00:48:14 ◼   ► other end you have like you have flown

00:48:17 ◼   ► to Japan and now met a stranger and

00:48:22 ◼   ► you're just going to politely bow and I

00:48:25 ◼   ► feel like you're in some kind of

00:48:26 ◼   ► competition to bow lower but I also

00:48:28 ◼   ► don't know for sure if that's real so

00:48:30 ◼   ► anyway this is like the contact spectrum

00:48:33 ◼   ► and then for most of the times you meet

00:48:35 ◼   ► I feel like I'm meeting a pure stranger

00:48:37 ◼   ► it's really fine like okay we do

00:48:39 ◼   ► handshakes handshakes for everybody but

00:48:43 ◼   ► as

00:48:44 ◼   ► soon as I'm meeting a person the second

00:48:46 ◼   ► time or the third time I don't know I

00:48:48 ◼   ► feel like I always get it wrong I feel

00:48:50 ◼   ► like I do this wrong every time and I

00:48:52 ◼   ► don't know how to do it and I am now

00:48:53 ◼   ► convinced I'm gonna blame you on

00:48:55 ◼   ► introducing like an off by one error

00:48:58 ◼   ► that has looped over in my head a

00:49:00 ◼   ► hundred thousand times and is making

00:49:01 ◼   ► every time I greet someone hard and

00:49:04 ◼   ► incomprehensible to me now the thing you

00:49:06 ◼   ► shouldn't do is reference the hug that's

00:49:08 ◼   ► my tip okay like don't say we're hugging

00:49:12 ◼   ► or let's have a hug or come on haha hug

00:49:14 ◼   ► just do the hug but don't reference the

00:49:16 ◼   ► hug okay so no verbal acknowledgment of

00:49:19 ◼   ► the hug yeah is there a way to save it

00:49:21 ◼   ► when someone else is going for the hug

00:49:23 ◼   ► but you go for the handshake you've got

00:49:26 ◼   ► a you've got to convert to the hug

00:49:27 ◼   ► they can't downgrade you've got a rise

00:49:29 ◼   ► to the occasion and join the hug what if

00:49:32 ◼   ► they've already extended their hands and

00:49:34 ◼   ► you haven't noticed Holloman asked all

00:49:36 ◼   ► them in to the humble hugs up yank them

00:49:38 ◼   ► in humble hug yeah hmm

00:49:42 ◼   ► you can also deflect a hug into a humble

00:49:45 ◼   ► hug okay deflect a hug I feel like it

00:49:47 ◼   ► needs to cut it like some like brazilian

00:49:51 ◼   ► jiu-jitsu class to practice this and

00:49:52 ◼   ► there's also another option is as you do

00:49:54 ◼   ► the hug and if it's become awkward and

00:49:56 ◼   ► you realize it's all gone wrong you do

00:49:58 ◼   ► like a funny you pat them on the back

00:50:00 ◼   ► three or four times and like with a

00:50:01 ◼   ► laugh like isn't this funny what we're

00:50:03 ◼   ► doing and make a big joke of the hug

00:50:05 ◼   ► wait but so now you're referencing yeah

00:50:07 ◼   ► everything the hug yeah but that's only

00:50:08 ◼   ► because it needs referencing because

00:50:10 ◼   ► it's all gone so far wrong okay so if it

00:50:12 ◼   ► goes if it goes really wrong hmm you

00:50:14 ◼   ► reference the hug I'll write you some

00:50:16 ◼   ► notes this was all brought to a head on

00:50:19 ◼   ► God I will remember this until the day I

00:50:22 ◼   ► die but I was meeting a stranger on one

00:50:25 ◼   ► of my recent trips and we just we just

00:50:27 ◼   ► went to do I swear to God Brady like you

00:50:31 ◼   ► know level two and above the Simo simple

00:50:34 ◼   ► thing the handshake yeah and somehow I

00:50:38 ◼   ► went to handshake this other guy and I

00:50:40 ◼   ► did it so wrong that how to describe

00:50:44 ◼   ► this so imagine you're holding out your

00:50:46 ◼   ► hand for a handshake and then you lower

00:50:50 ◼   ► your pinkie so there's space like you're

00:50:52 ◼   ► making a shadow dog on the wall somehow

00:50:55 ◼   ► I got my hand into that position

00:50:58 ◼   ► we we shook with like just the the

00:51:01 ◼   ► webbing of our pinkies touching and the

00:51:03 ◼   ► rest of our hands holding could have

00:51:05 ◼   ► died I swear I could have died in that

00:51:09 ◼   ► moment and it's like we're gonna do this

00:51:11 ◼   ► we're gonna shake right

00:51:13 ◼   ► boom boom boom three and done and no

00:51:15 ◼   ► reference to it and this might be one of

00:51:18 ◼   ► the last things I think about before I

00:51:19 ◼   ► die is because it just keeps popping up

00:51:21 ◼   ► in my head over and over again

00:51:23 ◼   ► worse than the sloppy Ben's moment

00:51:25 ◼   ► honestly yes because unlike the sloppy

00:51:28 ◼   ► buns moment which was such a peculiar

00:51:31 ◼   ► events with very special circumstances

00:51:34 ◼   ► around it handshakes happen all the time

00:51:36 ◼   ► and so now when I go to a handshake with

00:51:38 ◼   ► someone I'm like very focused on keeping

00:51:40 ◼   ► my fingers together to make sure that

00:51:42 ◼   ► there is no accidental slippage here so

00:51:45 ◼   ► it's been really rough for me Brady and

00:51:47 ◼   ► then when you throw in the difficulty of

00:51:50 ◼   ► living abroad as an expat and the

00:51:53 ◼   ► complication of like who do you kiss

00:51:55 ◼   ► because some people expect the kisses

00:51:58 ◼   ► especially when you're dealing with

00:51:59 ◼   ► foreigners and it's a broad like I can't

00:52:01 ◼   ► deal with it and Here I am many years

00:52:03 ◼   ► into life and I'm clearly getting much

00:52:06 ◼   ► worse at the how do you greet another

00:52:08 ◼   ► human protocol I'll tell you my biggest

00:52:10 ◼   ► problem with the kiss okay and that is

00:52:13 ◼   ► in a lot of the circles I move in the

00:52:16 ◼   ► guys have a hug or a humble hug and

00:52:19 ◼   ► male-female combinations do a kiss

00:52:21 ◼   ► that's the way we roll right yep but I

00:52:24 ◼   ► won't kiss someone who I don't know very

00:52:26 ◼   ► well so sometimes if you're in a group

00:52:28 ◼   ► and there are like say five or six women

00:52:31 ◼   ► and you know them really well and

00:52:32 ◼   ► there's one you don't you get into a

00:52:34 ◼   ► situation where you use five people and

00:52:36 ◼   ► then you get to the final person and

00:52:38 ◼   ► you're like you just stick out your hand

00:52:39 ◼   ► and shake your hand because it's like I

00:52:42 ◼   ► don't you know it would be inappropriate

00:52:43 ◼   ► for me to kiss you person and yet it

00:52:45 ◼   ► almost feels like after you've just

00:52:46 ◼   ► kissed all the other people it's almost

00:52:48 ◼   ► like you're shunning them like it's like

00:52:49 ◼   ► no I don't like you you know you smell I

00:52:53 ◼   ► don't want to kiss you well of course

00:52:54 ◼   ► that's not the case it creates a real

00:52:56 ◼   ► awkward situation kiss kiss kiss kiss

00:52:58 ◼   ► see you later shake and yeah yeah I

00:53:01 ◼   ► don't know how to handle that you know I

00:53:03 ◼   ► think that is the only way to handle

00:53:04 ◼   ► that but I just feel a bit guilty it is

00:53:06 ◼   ► extra worse because the the cheek kiss

00:53:09 ◼   ► greeting thing I mean let's just ignore

00:53:11 ◼   ► the

00:53:12 ◼   ► or to things like sometimes you never

00:53:13 ◼   ► know what the other person's gonna do

00:53:14 ◼   ► well you know sometimes free and you get

00:53:18 ◼   ► you get cold out for only doing two

00:53:19 ◼   ► there's three even work don't understand

00:53:22 ◼   ► you go back to the one you started on

00:53:24 ◼   ► you about it now yeah and if you're

00:53:25 ◼   ► needed to do they're like no no no no we