01:00:00 ◼ ► what are you paying for the place [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3600">TS</a>]
01:00:05 ◼ ► exactly where are we staying yeah am I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3605">TS</a>]
01:00:08 ◼ ► staying with you that only happened [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3608">TS</a>]
01:00:13 ◼ ► because in that four months she and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3613">TS</a>]
01:00:15 ◼ ► talked on Twitter with a bunch of other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3615">TS</a>]
01:00:18 ◼ ► people who were also fun and funny all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3618">TS</a>]
01:00:20 ◼ ► day you know by the time she made that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3620">TS</a>]
01:00:22 ◼ ► phone call we knew each other yeah yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3622">TS</a>]
01:00:25 ◼ ► and what when would that have ever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3625">TS</a>]
01:00:27 ◼ ► happened before you know so anyway this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3627">TS</a>]
01:00:29 ◼ ► proposal was like why don't we just buy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3629">TS</a>]
01:00:32 ◼ ► it and and declare it a UNESCO site and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3632">TS</a>]
01:00:36 ◼ ► we'll govern it and we won't let Nazis [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3636">TS</a>]
01:00:41 ◼ ► and we won't let boobs and butts and we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3641">TS</a>]
01:00:45 ◼ ► will restore it to what it was which was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3645">TS</a>]
01:00:49 ◼ ► like a like a true human accomplishment [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3649">TS</a>]
01:00:52 ◼ ► and every was like between a national [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3652">TS</a>]
01:00:55 ◼ ► park and a Superfund site right what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3655">TS</a>]
01:00:58 ◼ ► starts as a Superfund site but we'd like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3658">TS</a>]
01:01:00 ◼ ► to eventually turn it into a national [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3660">TS</a>]
01:01:01 ◼ ► parks leaves a little bit and it seemed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3661">TS</a>]
01:01:07 ◼ ► it seemed briefly plausible like wow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3667">TS</a>]
01:01:11 ◼ ► right the people at Twitter don't care [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3671">TS</a>]
01:01:13 ◼ ► anymore all they want as money they just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3673">TS</a>]
01:01:15 ◼ ► want to get out I think probably most of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3675">TS</a>]
01:01:18 ◼ ► them and give them their money you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3678">TS</a>]
01:01:22 ◼ ► they made their money gets to keep their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3682">TS</a>]
01:01:24 ◼ ► accounts yeah you guys that's great jack [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3684">TS</a>]
01:01:26 ◼ ► like here's some money is that what you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3686">TS</a>]
01:01:28 ◼ ► is that would that make you happy but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3688">TS</a>]
01:01:29 ◼ ► you can't beam back to your home planet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3689">TS</a>]
01:01:31 ◼ ► yeah you can go now go with your money [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3691">TS</a>]
01:01:37 ◼ ► I mean emotions and leave it to us give [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3697">TS</a>]
01:01:43 ◼ ► it back to us right but that idea that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3703">TS</a>]
01:01:46 ◼ ► every single thing needs to be monetized [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3706">TS</a>]
01:01:49 ◼ ► to within an inch of its life that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3709">TS</a>]
01:01:51 ◼ ► Facebook doesn't have enough money and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3711">TS</a>]
01:01:53 ◼ ► that they need a billion more customers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3713">TS</a>]
01:01:55 ◼ ► because they need what to control [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3715">TS</a>]
01:01:58 ◼ ► everything right what's your end game [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3718">TS</a>]
01:02:02 ◼ ► what's the end game this you'll know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3722">TS</a>]
01:02:04 ◼ ► this will have been super successful in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3724">TS</a>]
01:02:06 ◼ ► what happens when what happened yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3726">TS</a>]
01:02:08 ◼ ► precisely and is the stuff you're doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3728">TS</a>]
01:02:10 ◼ ► now is this the direction that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3730">TS</a>]
01:02:13 ◼ ► other success and are we we are nothing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3733">TS</a>]
01:02:17 ◼ ► right we are just we a hundred thousand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3737">TS</a>]
01:02:21 ◼ ► people come and go every second matrix [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3741">TS</a>]
01:02:23 ◼ ► batteries we're pod boys yeah I'm saying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3743">TS</a>]
01:02:26 ◼ ► just can't see on Ariz or the garden [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3746">TS</a>]
01:02:29 ◼ ► hose in our neck I want to reach out to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3749">TS</a>]
01:02:31 ◼ ► people and say do you have a good idea [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3751">TS</a>]
01:02:32 ◼ ► like the guy that had the idea of URLs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3752">TS</a>]
01:02:38 ◼ ► gave it to the world for free I mean he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3758">TS</a>]
01:02:43 ◼ ► just said here you go right I'm not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3763">TS</a>]
01:02:47 ◼ ► gonna copyright dot-com this is a thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3767">TS</a>]
01:02:50 ◼ ► that needed to happen right and here it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3770">TS</a>]
01:02:54 ◼ ► is like I built it it didn't take that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3774">TS</a>]
01:02:56 ◼ ► much it was like a brainstorm I had and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3776">TS</a>]
01:02:58 ◼ ► it took a couple of little bits to build [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3778">TS</a>]
01:03:01 ◼ ► but it didn't you know the idea that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3781">TS</a>]
01:03:05 ◼ ► Twitter or Facebook represent that some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3785">TS</a>]
01:03:09 ◼ ► intellectual property that we we we all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3789">TS</a>]
01:03:14 ◼ ► know was the result of like a one night [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3794">TS</a>]
01:03:16 ◼ ► brainstorm and offend a few weeks of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3796">TS</a>]
01:03:19 ◼ ► coding like it isn't the same as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3799">TS</a>]
01:03:22 ◼ ► building the the infrastructure to bring [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3802">TS</a>]
01:03:26 ◼ ► water to New York City right it just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3806">TS</a>]
01:03:28 ◼ ► isn't it was some guys in a dorm who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3808">TS</a>]
01:03:30 ◼ ► were like hahaha what if we what if we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3810">TS</a>]
01:03:34 ◼ ► made a website where you could judge [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3814">TS</a>]
01:03:36 ◼ ► people's faces and thumbs-up thumbs-down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3816">TS</a>]
01:03:39 ◼ ► I mean it was it was like sick and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3819">TS</a>]
01:03:41 ◼ ► score from the from the very dawn but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3821">TS</a>]
01:03:45 ◼ ► but Twitter I mean you know you know how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3825">TS</a>]
01:03:47 ◼ ► Twitter got me and you were there like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3827">TS</a>]
01:03:49 ◼ ► it was it was like oh I don't here why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3829">TS</a>]
01:03:52 ◼ ► don't we do this it'll be like an SMS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3832">TS</a>]
01:03:54 ◼ ► for friends and we can say like oh I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3834">TS</a>]
01:03:57 ◼ ► going to the taco place and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3837">TS</a>]
01:03:58 ◼ ► everybody you won't have to text [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3838">TS</a>]
01:04:00 ◼ ► everybody individually had a good run [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3840">TS</a>]
01:04:01 ◼ ► like that's not a fucking idea that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3841">TS</a>]
01:04:05 ◼ ► worth a billion dollars it's just a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3845">TS</a>]
01:04:07 ◼ ► fucking idea that you could have had and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3847">TS</a>]
01:04:10 ◼ ► given as much as you a little bit of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3850">TS</a>]
01:04:14 ◼ ► what happens in pharmaceuticals where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3854">TS</a>]
01:04:16 ◼ ► you come up with no like an axiom or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3856">TS</a>]
01:04:18 ◼ ► something they say you come up with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3858">TS</a>]
01:04:19 ◼ ► always the big allergy one like claritin [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3859">TS</a>]
01:04:21 ◼ ► you come up with some new formulation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3861">TS</a>]
01:04:23 ◼ ► and you get a patent on it for how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3863">TS</a>]
01:04:25 ◼ ► many years like five years or whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3865">TS</a>]
01:04:26 ◼ ► is and then you have to re-up your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3866">TS</a>]
01:04:27 ◼ ► patent so you've got to figure out what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3867">TS</a>]
01:04:29 ◼ ► most of them I think end up doing is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3869">TS</a>]
01:04:31 ◼ ► slightly changing the delivery mechanism [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3871">TS</a>]
01:04:33 ◼ ► and getting a patent on that we were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3873">TS</a>]
01:04:35 ◼ ► able to like string this out longer and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3875">TS</a>]
01:04:37 ◼ ► longer bridge like MIT can we Houston do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3877">TS</a>]
01:04:39 ◼ ► we like start giving the clarity in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3879">TS</a>]
01:04:40 ◼ ► way at prices that are normal for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3880">TS</a>]
01:04:41 ◼ ► everybody it's like well that's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3881">TS</a>]
01:04:43 ◼ ► really how this model works right we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3883">TS</a>]
01:04:46 ◼ ► move the button yay for us sorry about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3886">TS</a>]
01:04:49 ◼ ► the Nazis yeah you see that a lot where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3889">TS</a>]
01:04:52 ◼ ► where I feel like I've seen that several [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3892">TS</a>]
01:04:55 ◼ ► startups that I that I have like sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3895">TS</a>]
01:04:58 ◼ ► tangential knowledge of where they had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3898">TS</a>]
01:05:01 ◼ ► 15 employees and they felt like they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3901">TS</a>]
01:05:04 ◼ ► needed 50 in order to build the business [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3904">TS</a>]
01:05:07 ◼ ► so they hired 50 but then they've got 50 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3907">TS</a>]
01:05:09 ◼ ► employees and they need to earn money to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3909">TS</a>]
01:05:13 ◼ ► pay the 50 employees so they need a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3913">TS</a>]
01:05:15 ◼ ► hundred employees to make enough money [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3915">TS</a>]
01:05:16 ◼ ► to pay the 50 employees and it's just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3916">TS</a>]
01:05:22 ◼ ► voracious growth that no one wants to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3922">TS</a>]
01:05:25 ◼ ► run a 15 person company anymore that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3925">TS</a>]
01:05:28 ◼ ► really good and sleek and makes an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3928">TS</a>]
01:05:31 ◼ ► income for everybody and is stable and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3931">TS</a>]
01:05:34 ◼ ► it's not growing by leaps and bounds and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3934">TS</a>]
01:05:36 ◼ ► you're not gonna sell it for fifteen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3936">TS</a>]
01:05:39 ◼ ► million dollars when you're 28 years old [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3939">TS</a>]
01:05:41 ◼ ► it's just a job that you gave yourself [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3941">TS</a>]
01:05:44 ◼ ► but that's like pleasing and you go home [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3944">TS</a>]
01:05:47 ◼ ► at night and you feel satisfied by your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3947">TS</a>]
01:05:48 ◼ ► work like my mom was talking about her [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3948">TS</a>]
01:05:51 ◼ ► brother the other day and she said well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3951">TS</a>]
01:05:53 ◼ ► he retired from you know so hyoe at 50 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3953">TS</a>]
01:05:59 ◼ ► and I said he retired at 50 she said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3959">TS</a>]
01:06:04 ◼ ► yeah that's what used to happen you'd [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3964">TS</a>]
01:06:05 ◼ ► started a job when you were 20 and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3965">TS</a>]
01:06:07 ◼ ► 50 you'd worked there 30 years and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3967">TS</a>]
01:06:09 ◼ ► retired with a full retirement I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3969">TS</a>]
01:06:13 ◼ ► like am I just hearing about this for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3973">TS</a>]
01:06:15 ◼ ► the first time is this what people talk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3975">TS</a>]
01:06:17 ◼ ► about when they say this that things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3977">TS</a>]
01:06:19 ◼ ► have changed what do you mean what did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3979">TS</a>]
01:06:23 ◼ ► he do then oh you know he got a sailboat [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3983">TS</a>]
01:06:26 ◼ ► and he did some stuff and I'm like 50 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3986">TS</a>]
01:06:31 ◼ ► I'm 50 I don't I don't have what are you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3991">TS</a>]
01:06:36 ◼ ► talking about yeah she's like think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3996">TS</a>]
01:06:39 ◼ ► the army when they're 20 Beirut ISIL [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3999">TS</a>]
01:06:41 ◼ ► vote for a retired of forty retired [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4001">TS</a>]
01:06:45 ◼ ► because she was rich or been retired [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4005">TS</a>]
01:06:47 ◼ ► because she had done twenty years at a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4007">TS</a>]
01:06:48 ◼ ► company and guys she used Excel in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4008">TS</a>]
01:06:50 ◼ ► Air Force for twenty years twenty years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4010">TS</a>]
01:06:54 ◼ ► she retired yeah from the Air Force yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4014">TS</a>]
01:06:56 ◼ ► yeah with with my fears thank you for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4016">TS</a>]
01:06:59 ◼ ► your service freedom you know Mike [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4019">TS</a>]
01:07:17 ◼ ► Squires has did did a pretty good stint [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4037">TS</a>]
01:07:21 ◼ ► in the Marine Corps really Mike grew up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4041">TS</a>]
01:07:25 ◼ ► in a in a very rural Washington town and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4045">TS</a>]
01:07:28 ◼ ► the and the kind of the writing was on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4048">TS</a>]
01:07:31 ◼ ► the wall about how life was gonna go and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4051">TS</a>]
01:07:33 ◼ ► he decided that he was not gonna go that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4053">TS</a>]
01:07:38 ◼ ► and joined the Marines the family math [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4058">TS</a>]
01:07:39 ◼ ► business yeah he was he said you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4059">TS</a>]
01:07:42 ◼ ► I'm not gonna I'm not gonna take over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4062">TS</a>]
01:07:44 ◼ ► from my from the from the weakest uncle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4064">TS</a>]
01:07:48 ◼ ► as the young younger enforcer for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4068">TS</a>]
01:08:01 ◼ ► sorry pal come take a walk with us in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4081">TS</a>]
01:08:05 ◼ ► the desert the keys to the pickup truck [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4085">TS</a>]
01:08:12 ◼ ► you shall wear the crap he joined the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4092">TS</a>]
01:08:16 ◼ ► Marines that he got out he got out of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4096">TS</a>]
01:08:18 ◼ ► his little town he got out of the cycle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4098">TS</a>]
01:08:20 ◼ ► of rural shittiness took the midnight [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4100">TS</a>]
01:08:24 ◼ ► did the streetlight people and then very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4104">TS</a>]
01:08:32 ◼ ► crucially he did not go back to his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4112">TS</a>]
01:08:35 ◼ ► little shitty town with his duffel bag [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4115">TS</a>]
01:08:37 ◼ ► and like hug his high school sweetheart [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4117">TS</a>]
01:08:39 ◼ ► he went to Seattle and he bought a bass [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4119">TS</a>]
01:08:41 ◼ ► guitar and was like fuck it but what he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4121">TS</a>]
01:08:48 ◼ ► typewriter yeah and he's got that's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4128">TS</a>]
01:08:52 ◼ ► big biceps and he's got tattoos that say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4132">TS</a>]
01:08:54 ◼ ► like USMC anyway impugning my Corps or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4134">TS</a>]
01:08:58 ◼ ► Marines in general but that's that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4138">TS</a>]
01:08:59 ◼ ► part of what makes me laugh in a way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4139">TS</a>]
01:09:01 ◼ ► I'll never laugh publicly is like when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4141">TS</a>]
01:09:04 ◼ ► themselves so hard over the troops in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4144">TS</a>]
01:09:06 ◼ ► the first-responder is that it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4146">TS</a>]
01:09:07 ◼ ► yeah but you know they also they got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4147">TS</a>]
01:09:11 ◼ ► their education and their pension and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4151">TS</a>]
01:09:13 ◼ ► everything paid for in a way that my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4153">TS</a>]
01:09:14 ◼ ► kids teacher does not the you know the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4154">TS</a>]
01:09:18 ◼ ► the support staff Merlyn is just as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4158">TS</a>]
01:09:21 ◼ ► important as those frontline troops the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4161">TS</a>]
01:09:22 ◼ ► wrestler is important as the notes I am [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4162">TS</a>]
01:09:24 ◼ ► mocking Mike just because it's gender [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4164">TS</a>]
01:09:29 ◼ ► salutely kick my ass sure even right now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4169">TS</a>]
01:09:33 ◼ ► even as fat as he is you know one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4173">TS</a>]
01:09:51 ◼ ► those one of those things when I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4191">TS</a>]
01:09:52 ◼ ► sitting around not thinking about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4192">TS</a>]
01:09:53 ◼ ► burying shipping containers in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4193">TS</a>]
01:09:55 ◼ ► desert to put Donald Rumsfeld yeah you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4195">TS</a>]
01:09:58 ◼ ► know a big a big a big idea that isn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4198">TS</a>]
01:10:02 ◼ ► really even that big is the idea of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4202">TS</a>]
01:10:03 ◼ ► national service that encompasses things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4203">TS</a>]
01:10:06 ◼ ► other than the army and you know the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4206">TS</a>]
01:10:09 ◼ ► Israeli model of 18 to 20 everybody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4209">TS</a>]
01:10:12 ◼ ► serves but you can choose to work for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4212">TS</a>]
01:10:17 ◼ ► the National Park Service cut trail [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4217">TS</a>]
01:10:19 ◼ ► leave cut trail he worked for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4219">TS</a>]
01:10:20 ◼ ► Department of the Interior you work for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4220">TS</a>]
01:10:23 ◼ ► the National Endowment for the Arts you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4223">TS</a>]
01:10:26 ◼ ► you know you do two years of public [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4226">TS</a>]
01:10:29 ◼ ► service in one of a million different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4229">TS</a>]
01:10:34 ◼ ► ways but it'd be considered equivalent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4234">TS</a>]
01:10:37 ◼ ► to military service because if you do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4237">TS</a>]
01:10:40 ◼ ► totally agree voluntary work at the at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4240">TS</a>]
01:10:43 ◼ ► the National Endowment for the Arts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4243">TS</a>]
01:10:44 ◼ ► making it easier or you work for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4244">TS</a>]
01:10:47 ◼ ► Department of Transportation like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4247">TS</a>]
01:10:50 ◼ ► is that is an equivalent service to your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4250">TS</a>]
01:10:54 ◼ ► country and your people and the idea [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4254">TS</a>]
01:10:58 ◼ ► there are there are people risking their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4258">TS</a>]
01:11:01 ◼ ► lives on battlefields but in question [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4261">TS</a>]
01:11:07 ◼ ► you know if the person who is driving [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4267">TS</a>]
01:11:09 ◼ ► the truck that's bringing the bottled [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4269">TS</a>]
01:11:10 ◼ ► water to the people that are doing that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4270">TS</a>]
01:11:15 ◼ ► is as integral to that machine as the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4275">TS</a>]
01:11:19 ◼ ► fighter then the people who are making [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4279">TS</a>]
01:11:22 ◼ ► the roads back home work better and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4282">TS</a>]
01:11:25 ◼ ► people that are making America stronger [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4285">TS</a>]
01:11:27 ◼ ► by having a more devoted national [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4287">TS</a>]
01:11:30 ◼ ► commitment to the arts are also engaged [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4290">TS</a>]
01:11:32 ◼ ► in the same battle my kids my kids [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4292">TS</a>]
01:11:34 ◼ ► principal works about 12 hours a day and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4294">TS</a>]
01:11:36 ◼ ► can't afford to live in San Francisco [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4296">TS</a>]
01:11:40 ◼ ► and that's that's insane and that is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4300">TS</a>]
01:11:42 ◼ ► terrible miss allocation of resources [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4302">TS</a>]
01:11:45 ◼ ► but also it is it speaks to a like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4305">TS</a>]
01:11:50 ◼ ► like a core to climb in our values that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4310">TS</a>]
01:11:53 ◼ ► I cannot I cannot yell enough about yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4313">TS</a>]
01:11:58 ◼ ► and I think people are both you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4318">TS</a>]
01:11:59 ◼ ► people people may feel like this is all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4319">TS</a>]
01:12:03 ◼ ► some kind of crusty attitude and that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4323">TS</a>]
01:12:07 ◼ ► that once we turn the next corner and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4327">TS</a>]
01:12:12 ◼ ► we're all wearing heads-up displays and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4332">TS</a>]
01:12:13 ◼ ► walking around with Madame Butterfly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4333">TS</a>]
01:12:16 ◼ ► strapped in our Underpants I think it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4336">TS</a>]
01:12:22 ◼ ► does the cloud is like we are producing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4342">TS</a>]
01:12:26 ◼ ► 7 milliliters effluvium hour it doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4346">TS</a>]
01:12:32 ◼ ► waste your check it doesn't moisture [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4352">TS</a>]
01:12:34 ◼ ► check - bump it was Nixon that won it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4354">TS</a>]
01:12:45 ◼ ► that took us into China right yeah it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4365">TS</a>]
01:12:47 ◼ ► affixing yeah and as much as that's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4367">TS</a>]
01:12:50 ◼ ► Mussolini made the trains run on time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4370">TS</a>]
01:12:52 ◼ ► argument yeah I also feel that it may [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4372">TS</a>]
01:12:55 ◼ ► one day be a liberal Democrat or a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4375">TS</a>]
01:12:58 ◼ ► liberal politician that reintroduces the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4378">TS</a>]
01:13:01 ◼ ► idea of a compulsory national service a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4381">TS</a>]
01:13:07 ◼ ► but that draft includes a and to work at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4387">TS</a>]
01:13:13 ◼ ► the Department of Transportation is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4393">TS</a>]
01:13:15 ◼ ► considered equivalent to having been in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4395">TS</a>]
01:13:19 ◼ ► ultimately and that if we you know we we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4399">TS</a>]
01:13:25 ◼ ► spend I spent a lot of time in the last [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4405">TS</a>]
01:13:28 ◼ ► year talking to people in the military [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4408">TS</a>]
01:13:29 ◼ ► and officers in the military and for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4409">TS</a>]
01:13:32 ◼ ► most part they say the same thing which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4412">TS</a>]
01:13:35 ◼ ► is that they consider themselves [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4415">TS</a>]
01:13:39 ◼ ► but that they support the military and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4419">TS</a>]
01:13:42 ◼ ► so they support politicians that support [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4422">TS</a>]
01:13:45 ◼ ► the military and those politicians tend [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4425">TS</a>]
01:13:48 ◼ ► to be more Republican than Democrats so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4428">TS</a>]
01:13:50 ◼ ► that's how they fall but really right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4430">TS</a>]
01:13:53 ◼ ► they support the military and that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4433">TS</a>]
01:13:55 ◼ ► their church and when you say to them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4435">TS</a>]
01:13:59 ◼ ► well alright but what about this weapons [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4439">TS</a>]
01:14:02 ◼ ► platform that is a hundred times over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4442">TS</a>]
01:14:06 ◼ ► budget has been proved over and over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4446">TS</a>]
01:14:09 ◼ ► again to not work it was designed at a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4449">TS</a>]
01:14:12 ◼ ► time when the mission was different than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4452">TS</a>]
01:14:14 ◼ ► it is now so there's no mission for it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4454">TS</a>]
01:14:16 ◼ ► anymore it's a total boondoggle and if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4456">TS</a>]
01:14:19 ◼ ► they keep crashing how do you feel about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4459">TS</a>]
01:14:21 ◼ ► that and they're like well the billions [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4461">TS</a>]
01:14:25 ◼ ► of dollars that we pour into that go to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4465">TS</a>]
01:14:26 ◼ ► the people that work for the military [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4466">TS</a>]
01:14:29 ◼ ► and the companies that support the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4469">TS</a>]
01:14:33 ◼ ► shitstorm I believe that in the end it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4473">TS</a>]
01:14:37 ◼ ► benefits the country because it benefits [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4477">TS</a>]
01:14:41 ◼ ► the military and that's the point at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4481">TS</a>]
01:14:43 ◼ ► which you realize like oh right they are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4483">TS</a>]
01:14:48 ◼ ► I understand that they're nonpartisan [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4488">TS</a>]
01:14:51 ◼ ► but also they should not be in charge of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4491">TS</a>]
01:14:54 ◼ ► that decision mm-hmm because they have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4494">TS</a>]
01:14:58 ◼ ► they can't be blamed for self-interest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4498">TS</a>]
01:15:02 ◼ ► makes it sound more nefarious than it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4502">TS</a>]
01:15:04 ◼ ► but they they can't be faulted for doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4504">TS</a>]
01:15:07 ◼ ► the thing that they think is right that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4507">TS</a>]
01:15:08 ◼ ► happens to support I mean they do yeah I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4508">TS</a>]
01:15:11 ◼ ► can fault them but but i but i but i do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4511">TS</a>]
01:15:14 ◼ ► feel like we have listeners we have less [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4514">TS</a>]
01:15:16 ◼ ► producer we should thank the further [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4516">TS</a>]
01:15:17 ◼ ► service they love it thank you all for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4517">TS</a>]
01:15:21 ◼ ► I know we do and I know and I mean I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4521">TS</a>]
01:15:23 ◼ ► engaged in this debate with with several [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4523">TS</a>]
01:15:25 ◼ ► of them offline but they lady M me and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4525">TS</a>]
01:15:29 ◼ ► they say that thing you said is wrong [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4529">TS</a>]
01:15:32 ◼ ► and I say you're wrong and then we have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4532">TS</a>]
01:15:35 ◼ ► a lively discussion because everybody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4535">TS</a>]
01:15:37 ◼ ► loves to start that way but but note [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4537">TS</a>]
01:15:40 ◼ ► that that is why we have civilian [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4540">TS</a>]
01:15:42 ◼ ► oversight of the military but the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4542">TS</a>]
01:15:44 ◼ ► problem is that if you put into office [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4544">TS</a>]
01:15:45 ◼ ► people that get into office by saying I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4545">TS</a>]
01:15:48 ◼ ► will reflexively support the military [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4548">TS</a>]
01:15:50 ◼ ► without ever questioning them yeah you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4550">TS</a>]
01:15:53 ◼ ► get into this situation where you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4553">TS</a>]
01:15:55 ◼ ► the like in Rome I hate to oh my god I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4555">TS</a>]
01:16:00 ◼ ► so going to cliche rule was as soon as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4560">TS</a>]
01:16:12 ◼ ► you stepped into Rome as a general or as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4572">TS</a>]
01:16:16 ◼ ► a as a Roman soldier you no longer were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4576">TS</a>]
01:16:21 ◼ ► in the Army in the city of Rome you were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4581">TS</a>]
01:16:26 ◼ ► a civilian you could not enter Rome as a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4586">TS</a>]
01:16:30 ◼ ► member of the army so the armies were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4590">TS</a>]
01:16:34 ◼ ► and the reason was that they were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4594">TS</a>]
01:16:38 ◼ ► worried obviously that or it was a way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4598">TS</a>]
01:16:40 ◼ ► of dealing with the fact that a that a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4600">TS</a>]
01:16:42 ◼ ► general could come back from it from a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4602">TS</a>]
01:16:44 ◼ ► triumphant battle and march into the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4604">TS</a>]
01:16:47 ◼ ► city and get himself elected the Caesar [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4607">TS</a>]
01:16:56 ◼ ► outpouring of joy at the returning [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4616">TS</a>]
01:17:00 ◼ ► conquering army so the army would return [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4620">TS</a>]
01:17:03 ◼ ► and as soon as they walked in to town [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4623">TS</a>]
01:17:05 ◼ ► they were civilians and it kept them you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4625">TS</a>]
01:17:12 ◼ ► know it kept them in check and it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4632">TS</a>]
01:17:14 ◼ ► that Roman generals didn't sometimes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4634">TS</a>]
01:17:17 ◼ ► ascend and a couple of notable times [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4637">TS</a>]
01:17:19 ◼ ► marched in anyway but that was the that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4639">TS</a>]
01:17:23 ◼ ► was their mentality their way of church [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4643">TS</a>]
01:17:26 ◼ ► and stating and we've kind of lost that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4646">TS</a>]
01:17:30 ◼ ► we've lost a crucial element of civilian [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4650">TS</a>]
01:17:34 ◼ ► because our civilian our civilian like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4654">TS</a>]
01:17:42 ◼ ► branch of government has abdicated its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4662">TS</a>]
01:17:45 ◼ ► oversight responsibilities it's gotten [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4665">TS</a>]
01:17:48 ◼ ► to enthrall you know there are too many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4668">TS</a>]
01:17:51 ◼ ► congressmen that are in thrall of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4671">TS</a>]
01:17:53 ◼ ► military and there's too much money [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4673">TS</a>]
01:17:54 ◼ ► floating around that they don't want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4674">TS</a>]
01:17:58 ◼ ► they all went to business school so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4678">TS</a>]
01:18:00 ◼ ► they're just looking for business [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4680">TS</a>]
01:18:01 ◼ ► they're not they got no there's no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4681">TS</a>]
01:18:06 ◼ ► i-i-i jumped into an online conversation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4686">TS</a>]
01:18:10 ◼ ► and you might help me with this yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4690">TS</a>]
01:18:12 ◼ ► hope anyway I can't there was I started [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4692">TS</a>]
01:18:16 ◼ ► following a bunch of OPSEC people about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4696">TS</a>]
01:18:18 ◼ ► a year ago because I wanted out of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4698">TS</a>]
01:18:20 ◼ ► of the thing where people were yelling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4700">TS</a>]
01:18:22 ◼ ► at each other yeah oh god I made a real [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4702">TS</a>]
01:18:26 ◼ ► mistake oh my god it's like it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4706">TS</a>]
01:18:29 ◼ ► 4chan with a CS degree you are poem with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4709">TS</a>]
01:18:32 ◼ ► your intent black hat but at one point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4712">TS</a>]
01:18:37 ◼ ► somebody in the academic CS community [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4717">TS</a>]
01:18:40 ◼ ► was sending out tweets to the people in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4720">TS</a>]
01:18:45 ◼ ► their community saying we're having [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4725">TS</a>]
01:18:47 ◼ ► we're starting a group like a an online [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4727">TS</a>]
01:18:52 ◼ ► pink group where we're discussing ethics [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4732">TS</a>]
01:18:57 ◼ ► in CS and we're trying to get a second [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4737">TS</a>]
01:19:00 ◼ ► computer science computer science okay [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4740">TS</a>]
01:19:02 ◼ ► we're trying to get academics people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4742">TS</a>]
01:19:05 ◼ ► that are working in the field people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4745">TS</a>]
01:19:08 ◼ ► that are you know theoretical about it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4748">TS</a>]
01:19:10 ◼ ► we're trying to get everybody together [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4750">TS</a>]
01:19:12 ◼ ► to talk about you know to build a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4752">TS</a>]
01:19:17 ◼ ► framework of talking about ethics in in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4757">TS</a>]
01:19:19 ◼ ► computer science and so you know this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4759">TS</a>]
01:19:24 ◼ ► was an open invitation on the part of an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4764">TS</a>]
01:19:27 ◼ ► organizer to kind of you know come in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4767">TS</a>]
01:19:28 ◼ ► present your CV explain who you are and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4768">TS</a>]
01:19:33 ◼ ► from the basis of that will you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4773">TS</a>]
01:19:37 ◼ ► will include you in this conversation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4777">TS</a>]
01:19:38 ◼ ► and it was kind of you know it's like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4778">TS</a>]
01:19:40 ◼ ► typical sort of like who are you how do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4780">TS</a>]
01:19:43 ◼ ► you rank and we're gonna we're going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4783">TS</a>]
01:19:45 ◼ ► include you in this conversation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4785">TS</a>]
01:19:47 ◼ ► with priority if you teach at Stanford [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4787">TS</a>]
01:19:50 ◼ ► versus if you're a 24 year old coder [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4790">TS</a>]
01:19:53 ◼ ► right right which made sense but I wrote [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4793">TS</a>]
01:19:56 ◼ ► him and said hi I am NOT in computer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4796">TS</a>]
01:19:59 ◼ ► science but I really want to be engaged [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4799">TS</a>]
01:20:03 ◼ ► in the conversation around ethics in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4803">TS</a>]
01:20:06 ◼ ► computer science and I humbly submit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4806">TS</a>]
01:20:11 ◼ ► that you could have some civilian lay [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4811">TS</a>]
01:20:15 ◼ ► people in this conversation because it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4815">TS</a>]
01:20:18 ◼ ► feels like you guys might get into a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4818">TS</a>]
01:20:21 ◼ ► little bit of a think bubble with one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4821">TS</a>]
01:20:23 ◼ ► another because some of the presumptions [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4823">TS</a>]
01:20:26 ◼ ► that you're all operating from maybe are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4826">TS</a>]
01:20:29 ◼ ► the wellspring of some of these ethical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4829">TS</a>]
01:20:34 ◼ ► questions that you're struggling with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4834">TS</a>]
01:20:36 ◼ ► like maybe it's up maybe it's up above [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4836">TS</a>]
01:20:40 ◼ ► some of your first presumptions or maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4840">TS</a>]
01:20:42 ◼ ► it's just a thing that you never looked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4842">TS</a>]
01:20:43 ◼ ► at this this way because you all think a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4843">TS</a>]
01:20:46 ◼ ► certain way but it seems like some lay [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4846">TS</a>]
01:20:51 ◼ ► thinkers might have a have a place here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4851">TS</a>]
01:20:54 ◼ ► I mean in putting it it would be putting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4854">TS</a>]
01:20:57 ◼ ► it strongly to say you'd be the court [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4857">TS</a>]
01:20:58 ◼ ► jester but you could be there to be a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4858">TS</a>]
01:21:00 ◼ ► smart person asking a question that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4860">TS</a>]
01:21:01 ◼ ► doesn't come up very often right which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4861">TS</a>]
01:21:03 ◼ ► sometimes might be a silly obvious [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4863">TS</a>]
01:21:05 ◼ ► questions and other time it might be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4865">TS</a>]
01:21:06 ◼ ► thought-provoking and help them to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4866">TS</a>]
01:21:08 ◼ ► clarify their thinking on something by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4868">TS</a>]
01:21:10 ◼ ► having to explain it to Adam that's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4870">TS</a>]
01:21:11 ◼ ► you that's right and and if you you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4871">TS</a>]
01:21:15 ◼ ► if your explanation to a numbnuts is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4875">TS</a>]
01:21:17 ◼ ► well everybody knows what this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4877">TS</a>]
01:21:19 ◼ ► and the numbnuts says that's not true [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4879">TS</a>]
01:21:22 ◼ ► yeah you do maybe come at things from a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4882">TS</a>]
01:21:26 ◼ ► different from a different way you can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4886">TS</a>]
01:21:28 ◼ ► talk about ethics in computer science [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4888">TS</a>]
01:21:31 ◼ ► without recognizing that you're talking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4891">TS</a>]
01:21:35 ◼ ► about ethics and not computer science [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4895">TS</a>]
01:21:38 ◼ ► because if you're talking about ethics [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4898">TS</a>]
01:21:40 ◼ ► and computer science and you think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4900">TS</a>]
01:21:42 ◼ ► you're talking about computer science [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4902">TS</a>]
01:21:43 ◼ ► then you're going to come to the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4903">TS</a>]
01:21:45 ◼ ► conclusions you came to before if you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4905">TS</a>]
01:21:48 ◼ ► talking about ethics you're talking on a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4908">TS</a>]
01:21:50 ◼ ► different discipline and computer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4910">TS</a>]
01:21:52 ◼ ► scientists aren't experts at it you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4912">TS</a>]
01:21:55 ◼ ► there there's nothing to suggest that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4915">TS</a>]
01:21:57 ◼ ► being good at computers means that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4917">TS</a>]
01:22:00 ◼ ► Effects of what computers can and are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4920">TS</a>]
01:22:03 ◼ ► doing that is a separate discipline [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4923">TS</a>]
01:22:07 ◼ ► anyway he wrote back and said I agree [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4927">TS</a>]
01:22:12 ◼ ► how like how we're not meeting in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4932">TS</a>]
01:22:19 ◼ ► Convention Center and giving speeches [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4939">TS</a>]
01:22:21 ◼ ► we're creating an online community of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4941">TS</a>]
01:22:23 ◼ ► people that are doing this work and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4943">TS</a>]
01:22:25 ◼ ► we're using you know in these short [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4945">TS</a>]
01:22:30 ◼ ► burst conversations we're using all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4950">TS</a>]
01:22:32 ◼ ► nomenclature of our field and we're just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4952">TS</a>]
01:22:36 ◼ ► bippity-boppity-boo pack and forth with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4956">TS</a>]
01:22:39 ◼ ► c++ talky-talk how are you going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4959">TS</a>]
01:22:49 ◼ ► engage in that conversation with us and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4969">TS</a>]
01:22:53 ◼ ► I said I cannot I cannot engage that way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4973">TS</a>]
01:22:59 ◼ ► with you and if the if the ethical if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4979">TS</a>]
01:23:03 ◼ ► what you're doing is creating like an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4983">TS</a>]
01:23:04 ◼ ► online community where people are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4984">TS</a>]
01:23:06 ◼ ► bounding or bouncing ideas off of each [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4986">TS</a>]
01:23:08 ◼ ► other there's no there isn't a place for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4988">TS</a>]
01:23:10 ◼ ► me to tell hop in because nobody wants [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4990">TS</a>]
01:23:15 ◼ ► to sit and explain to a layperson [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4995">TS</a>]
01:23:16 ◼ ► something that everybody else in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4996">TS</a>]
01:23:18 ◼ ► room gets in 140 characters right but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4998">TS</a>]
01:23:22 ◼ ► guess I'm just if you are someone who is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5002">TS</a>]
01:23:25 ◼ ► organizing this community if you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5005">TS</a>]
01:23:30 ◼ ► let me just plant that seed in your head [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5010">TS</a>]
01:23:32 ◼ ► that add a certain point other people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5012">TS</a>]
01:23:37 ◼ ► need to be a people that are not in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5017">TS</a>]
01:23:41 ◼ ► computer science or people who are not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5021">TS</a>]
01:23:43 ◼ ► biologists need to be part of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5023">TS</a>]
01:23:47 ◼ ► bioethics conversation or the computer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5027">TS</a>]
01:23:49 ◼ ► science ethics conversation and you guys [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5029">TS</a>]
01:23:54 ◼ ► you know people in computer science need [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5034">TS</a>]
01:23:57 ◼ ► to acknowledge that and not have it be a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5037">TS</a>]
01:24:01 ◼ ► thing where you present your paper and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5041">TS</a>]
01:24:03 ◼ ► then a bunch of people are butthurt [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5043">TS</a>]
01:24:05 ◼ ► about it and you're like but we did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5045">TS</a>]
01:24:07 ◼ ► everything we try you know why are you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5047">TS</a>]
01:24:09 ◼ ► so mad at us like that because this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5049">TS</a>]
01:24:14 ◼ ► get angry letters but this is where we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5054">TS</a>]
01:24:15 ◼ ► are with drone warfare because the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5055">TS</a>]
01:24:18 ◼ ► people that were doing the ethics talk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5058">TS</a>]
01:24:22 ◼ ► procuring and flying those drones and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5062">TS</a>]
01:24:25 ◼ ► there wasn't anybody in the chain that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5065">TS</a>]
01:24:27 ◼ ► was like okay let's let's come up with a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5067">TS</a>]
01:24:30 ◼ ► let's come up with a order of engagement [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5070">TS</a>]
01:24:35 ◼ ► here or like a like a let's come up with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5075">TS</a>]
01:24:37 ◼ ► a a way that this is gonna integrate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5077">TS</a>]
01:24:41 ◼ ► into our civilian laws and our civilian [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5081">TS</a>]
01:24:46 ◼ ► morals the people that we're doing that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5086">TS</a>]
01:24:48 ◼ ► work were in the military and or were in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5088">TS</a>]
01:24:53 ◼ ► the Congress authorizing the military to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5093">TS</a>]
01:24:55 ◼ ► do what I want and I know they're you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5095">TS</a>]
01:24:58 ◼ ► know I they're they're people in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5098">TS</a>]
01:25:00 ◼ ► military that I argue with about this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5100">TS</a>]
01:25:03 ◼ ► but it was never it was never put forth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5103">TS</a>]
01:25:06 ◼ ► that's like how there's no monroe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5106">TS</a>]
01:25:08 ◼ ► doctrine about it right in a way it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5108">TS</a>]
01:25:11 ◼ ► violates the monroe doctrine so i don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5111">TS</a>]
01:25:15 ◼ ► know how to do that other than in places [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5115">TS</a>]
01:25:17 ◼ ► like this right yeah i mean you and i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5117">TS</a>]
01:25:18 ◼ ► sit and talk and we do we traipse over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5118">TS</a>]
01:25:22 ◼ ► into computer science ethics and we we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5122">TS</a>]
01:25:24 ◼ ► bumble around and I knock a vase off a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5124">TS</a>]
01:25:26 ◼ ► shelf and you say some things that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5126">TS</a>]
01:25:29 ◼ ► don't understand and then we bumble you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5129">TS</a>]
01:25:31 ◼ ► know we waltz over into the next room [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5131">TS</a>]
01:25:33 ◼ ► and we we yell about business for a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5133">TS</a>]
01:25:37 ◼ ► while and you you talk into your shoe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5137">TS</a>]
01:25:40 ◼ ► but where else are those conversations [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5140">TS</a>]
01:25:43 ◼ ► happening hmm I don't know I mean I can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5143">TS</a>]
01:25:48 ◼ ► only kind of argue this by analogy and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5148">TS</a>]
01:25:50 ◼ ► guess we're like I feel like um cuz I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5150">TS</a>]
01:25:53 ◼ ► don't know anything about any of this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5153">TS</a>]
01:25:54 ◼ ► stuff but I do at least have a wreckin [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5154">TS</a>]
01:25:56 ◼ ► like everybody I've got a wreckin you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5156">TS</a>]
01:25:58 ◼ ► know it just seems like there there are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5158">TS</a>]
01:26:00 ◼ ► there are situations where well first of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5160">TS</a>]
01:26:04 ◼ ► all let's take it as read that we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5164">TS</a>]
01:26:05 ◼ ► looking when you're when you're talking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5165">TS</a>]
01:26:07 ◼ ► about any rapidly evolving an important [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5167">TS</a>]
01:26:10 ◼ ► topic in public discourse it is very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5170">TS</a>]
01:26:12 ◼ ► useful to have a lot of Vestas an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5172">TS</a>]
01:26:14 ◼ ► England a lot of boffins you want a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5174">TS</a>]
01:26:16 ◼ ► of real smart people who understand the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5176">TS</a>]
01:26:18 ◼ ► history of the problem how we've tried [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5178">TS</a>]
01:26:22 ◼ ► to address it in the past how much of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5182">TS</a>]
01:26:25 ◼ ► the way you've just in the past is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5185">TS</a>]
01:26:27 ◼ ► the kind of stuff that you would expect [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5187">TS</a>]
01:26:29 ◼ ► I mean if you're gonna if you're gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5189">TS</a>]
01:26:30 ◼ ► have a stuff you're gonna have something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5190">TS</a>]
01:26:32 ◼ ► about about medicine across the United [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5192">TS</a>]
01:26:36 ◼ ► States it's probably good to invite some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5196">TS</a>]
01:26:37 ◼ ► doctors like um that would never argue [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5197">TS</a>]
01:26:39 ◼ ► against that in a million years but like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5199">TS</a>]
01:26:41 ◼ ► there is that dumb liberal arts part of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5201">TS</a>]
01:26:44 ◼ ► me that thinks that well you know it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5204">TS</a>]
01:26:45 ◼ ► would be nice to have some people who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5205">TS</a>]
01:26:46 ◼ ► are doctors slash something's as well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5206">TS</a>]
01:26:49 ◼ ► amoebans people who are not doctors but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5209">TS</a>]
01:26:52 ◼ ► others kind of slash people and because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5212">TS</a>]
01:26:54 ◼ ► you know i think i do feel like a group [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5214">TS</a>]
01:26:58 ◼ ► think too strong a word but like i do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5218">TS</a>]
01:27:00 ◼ ► feel like there's this thing of like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5220">TS</a>]
01:27:01 ◼ ► well we're all smart people in this room [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5221">TS</a>]
01:27:02 ◼ ► will understand this problem so let's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5222">TS</a>]
01:27:04 ◼ ► get to solving it when like some of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5224">TS</a>]
01:27:06 ◼ ► most useful stuff that you can have for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5226">TS</a>]
01:27:08 ◼ ► input in an in kind of a group project [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5228">TS</a>]
01:27:09 ◼ ► is people who have differing views on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5229">TS</a>]
01:27:11 ◼ ► how we frame the problem right how we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5231">TS</a>]
01:27:14 ◼ ► ask the right questions and i I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5234">TS</a>]
01:27:18 ◼ ► that I think that there is a fetishism [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5238">TS</a>]
01:27:20 ◼ ► for getting the right answer that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5240">TS</a>]
01:27:22 ◼ ► sometimes can skate right past whether [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5242">TS</a>]
01:27:26 ◼ ► we ever ask the correct question about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5246">TS</a>]
01:27:28 ◼ ► this absolutely and that that's where I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5248">TS</a>]
01:27:30 ◼ ► think there's a role for people who are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5250">TS</a>]
01:27:31 ◼ ► lay people or nearly lay people is to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5251">TS</a>]
01:27:34 ◼ ► able to like be the dummy in the room [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5254">TS</a>]
01:27:36 ◼ ► maybe in some cases but like I look no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5256">TS</a>]
01:27:39 ◼ ► further than what we've been describing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5259">TS</a>]
01:27:41 ◼ ► for a lot of this episode which is oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5261">TS</a>]
01:27:43 ◼ ► should I not have done that well why was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5263">TS</a>]
01:27:46 ◼ ► there no one there to say look you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5266">TS</a>]
01:27:48 ◼ ► I may not be much smarter than the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5268">TS</a>]
01:27:51 ◼ ► average bear that but if you would ask [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5271">TS</a>]
01:27:52 ◼ ► me about this and you described it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5272">TS</a>]
01:27:54 ◼ ► accurately what the scope of this change [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5274">TS</a>]
01:27:57 ◼ ► to your system would do just as a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5277">TS</a>]
01:27:59 ◼ ► garden-variety user a dummy like me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5279">TS</a>]
01:28:03 ◼ ► could have told you that's a stupid [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5283">TS</a>]
01:28:04 ◼ ► shitty idea that's gonna be costly to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5284">TS</a>]
01:28:07 ◼ ► your reputation it's gonna potentially [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5287">TS</a>]
01:28:10 ◼ ► expose you to risks that were utterly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5290">TS</a>]
01:28:11 ◼ ► unnecessary for what you're trying to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5291">TS</a>]
01:28:13 ◼ ► and here I'm talking about stuff like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5293">TS</a>]
01:28:14 ◼ ► these apps that do stuff like pull down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5294">TS</a>]
01:28:15 ◼ ► all your contacts for no great reason [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5295">TS</a>]
01:28:17 ◼ ► like there's all kinds of risks to that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5297">TS</a>]
01:28:19 ◼ ► that somebody like me could have gone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5299">TS</a>]
01:28:20 ◼ ► did you did you kind of like just did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5300">TS</a>]
01:28:23 ◼ ► you kind of just you know sniff test [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5303">TS</a>]
01:28:28 ◼ ► that with what everybody normal cuz [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5308">TS</a>]
01:28:30 ◼ ► anybody normal would have gone oh that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5310">TS</a>]
01:28:32 ◼ ► that does not make me feel good help me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5312">TS</a>]
01:28:34 ◼ ► understand why that's the thing you need [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5314">TS</a>]
01:28:35 ◼ ► to do without telling me about it you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5315">TS</a>]
01:28:38 ◼ ► know so I don't know I don't know if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5318">TS</a>]
01:28:40 ◼ ► that goes from medicine I don't know if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5320">TS</a>]
01:28:41 ◼ ► 4cs all the time but like you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5321">TS</a>]
01:28:43 ◼ ► having somebody in there to ask a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5323">TS</a>]
01:28:46 ◼ ► perhaps illogical question not not just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5326">TS</a>]
01:28:50 ◼ ► for the purpose of being the smart guy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5330">TS</a>]
01:28:51 ◼ ► with the pipe who's disruptive but to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5331">TS</a>]
01:28:53 ◼ ► able to to bring an outside voice and an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5333">TS</a>]
01:28:56 ◼ ► outside opinion to making sure that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5336">TS</a>]
01:28:59 ◼ ► have provided a good answer to a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5339">TS</a>]
01:29:01 ◼ ► question that needed to be asked I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5341">TS</a>]
01:29:05 ◼ ► everything and the thing is that if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5345">TS</a>]
01:29:08 ◼ ► run a North Face store and a guy with a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5348">TS</a>]
01:29:11 ◼ ► really long beard full of sticks and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5351">TS</a>]
01:29:13 ◼ ► twigs comes in and rants yeah for for 40 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5353">TS</a>]
01:29:19 ◼ ► minutes about your product you don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5359">TS</a>]
01:29:24 ◼ ► forget it and you probably send a memo [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5364">TS</a>]
01:29:27 ◼ ► to somebody but if enough people do it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5367">TS</a>]
01:29:31 ◼ ► you redesign your product and that's how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5371">TS</a>]
01:29:35 ◼ ► a business interacts with its customers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5375">TS</a>]
01:29:38 ◼ ► but online Facebook has too many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5378">TS</a>]
01:29:42 ◼ ► customers they get a million angry [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5382">TS</a>]
01:29:46 ◼ ► emails a day from people saying this was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5386">TS</a>]
01:29:49 ◼ ► a shitty idea and the way you do that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5389">TS</a>]
01:29:51 ◼ ► by managing the responses in a way to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5391">TS</a>]
01:29:54 ◼ ► seem polite and they seem like you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5394">TS</a>]
01:29:56 ◼ ► like you're listening when actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5396">TS</a>]
01:29:58 ◼ ► somebody it's closer in some ways to I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5398">TS</a>]
01:29:59 ◼ ► mean I've mentioned this in other places [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5399">TS</a>]
01:30:04 ◼ ► ride-sharing service that I use has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5404">TS</a>]
01:30:06 ◼ ► never has not only never gotten the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5406">TS</a>]
01:30:09 ◼ ► location of my office correct but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5409">TS</a>]
01:30:11 ◼ ► consistently gets it wrong in exactly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5411">TS</a>]
01:30:13 ◼ ► the same way mm-hmm and I haven't even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5413">TS</a>]
01:30:15 ◼ ► tried to address it because I got a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5415">TS</a>]
01:30:16 ◼ ► feeling I know what's gonna happen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5416">TS</a>]
01:30:17 ◼ ► what's gonna happen is what I'm trying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5417">TS</a>]
01:30:18 ◼ ► to say is I want to essentially file a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5418">TS</a>]
01:30:20 ◼ ► civilian bug to say there's something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5420">TS</a>]
01:30:22 ◼ ► with your system that gets the location [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5422">TS</a>]
01:30:25 ◼ ► of my office wrong by a right turn and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5425">TS</a>]
01:30:28 ◼ ► over half a block every time it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5428">TS</a>]
01:30:30 ◼ ► something repeatable it's a repeatable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5430">TS</a>]
01:30:32 ◼ ► bug but like if I do that it's just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5432">TS</a>]
01:30:34 ◼ ► gonna sound like I'm bitching and I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5434">TS</a>]
01:30:35 ◼ ► not bitching I'm trying to say like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5435">TS</a>]
01:30:37 ◼ ► know this is this is I don't know if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5437">TS</a>]
01:30:38 ◼ ► this is indicative of anything bigger [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5438">TS</a>]
01:30:40 ◼ ► but like maybe exploring that dumb [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5440">TS</a>]
01:30:42 ◼ ► experience I've had four times now could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5442">TS</a>]
01:30:44 ◼ ► tell you something about your system but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5444">TS</a>]
01:30:46 ◼ ► now I'm already editing myself on that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5446">TS</a>]
01:30:48 ◼ ► because I don't want to be just some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5448">TS</a>]
01:30:49 ◼ ► dingaling when they say thank you you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5449">TS</a>]
01:30:50 ◼ ► know thank you very much for your input [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5450">TS</a>]
01:30:51 ◼ ► we're always improving the service [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5451">TS</a>]
01:30:54 ◼ ► exactly you're you are literally saying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5454">TS</a>]
01:30:56 ◼ ► let me help you make your product better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5456">TS</a>]
01:30:58 ◼ ► and there is no way to do it I mean I I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5458">TS</a>]
01:31:01 ◼ ► told you I think that I tried to call [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5461">TS</a>]
01:31:03 ◼ ► snapchat on the phone about eight eight [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5463">TS</a>]
01:31:08 ◼ ► months ago tell me more I want to hear [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5468">TS</a>]
01:31:11 ◼ ► this I said listen I I just you know I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5471">TS</a>]
01:31:14 ◼ ► saying this to myself I'm saying it to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5474">TS</a>]
01:31:15 ◼ ► the air I have a simple question I just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5475">TS</a>]
01:31:17 ◼ ► need to talk to a certain person I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5477">TS</a>]
01:31:19 ◼ ► looked online there doesn't appear to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5479">TS</a>]
01:31:22 ◼ ► a way to reach that person and I just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5482">TS</a>]
01:31:24 ◼ ► need to ask an operator to put me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5484">TS</a>]
01:31:27 ◼ ► through to the person I need to talk to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5487">TS</a>]
01:31:28 ◼ ► you so question click let's have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5488">TS</a>]
01:31:30 ◼ ► simple question for them yeah and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5490">TS</a>]
01:31:32 ◼ ► called the phone number and that it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5492">TS</a>]
01:31:35 ◼ ► snapchat phone number and it said hi [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5495">TS</a>]
01:31:37 ◼ ► thanks for calling snapchat if you'd [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5497">TS</a>]
01:31:39 ◼ ► like to talk to us just tweet us at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5499">TS</a>]
01:31:41 ◼ ► snapchat beep click and I was like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5501">TS</a>]
01:31:49 ◼ ► kind of information that maybe you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5509">TS</a>]
01:31:52 ◼ ► wouldn't want to say publicly right what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5512">TS</a>]
01:31:53 ◼ ► if you've discovered a vulnerability [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5513">TS</a>]
01:31:55 ◼ ► this happened my friends who work on a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5515">TS</a>]
01:31:57 ◼ ► password management app we're trying to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5517">TS</a>]
01:31:59 ◼ ► send get encryption in place to send a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5519">TS</a>]
01:32:02 ◼ ► critical zero-day exploit bug report to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5522">TS</a>]
01:32:06 ◼ ► a company and they're like hey thanks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5526">TS</a>]
01:32:07 ◼ ► for interest go sign up for our bug [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5527">TS</a>]
01:32:09 ◼ ► bounty over here and like no you don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5529">TS</a>]
01:32:10 ◼ ► understand the fucking red wire now like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5530">TS</a>]
01:32:14 ◼ ► yeah we need to go get in like a skiff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5534">TS</a>]
01:32:16 ◼ ► and talk about this thing that has been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5536">TS</a>]
01:32:18 ◼ ► a problem for weeks or months and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5538">TS</a>]
01:32:20 ◼ ► didn't know about it like oh that's cool [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5540">TS</a>]
01:32:21 ◼ ► thanks glad you're man here's a pin you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5541">TS</a>]
01:32:23 ◼ ► know right tweet us on Twitter and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5543">TS</a>]
01:32:30 ◼ ► that'll be a good thing for you well and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5550">TS</a>]
01:32:33 ◼ ► so and my thing wasn't like clipped the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5553">TS</a>]
01:32:35 ◼ ► red wire now but it was time sensitive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5555">TS</a>]
01:32:36 ◼ ► and it was real and it was solvable by a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5556">TS</a>]
01:32:41 ◼ ► person somewhere well I spent a couple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5561">TS</a>]
01:32:46 ◼ ► of weeks and not just trying everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5566">TS</a>]
01:32:50 ◼ ► and I tried I mean I did all these like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5570">TS</a>]
01:32:52 ◼ ► go online and backward and look up phone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5572">TS</a>]
01:32:56 ◼ ► numbers and it was it was well I called [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5576">TS</a>]
01:32:59 ◼ ► like it was like get human there's one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5579">TS</a>]
01:33:01 ◼ ► where you can go and find the secret [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5581">TS</a>]
01:33:02 ◼ ► number from us places yeah I died I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5582">TS</a>]
01:33:06 ◼ ► California business great Better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5586">TS</a>]
01:33:10 ◼ ► Business Bureau all these different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5590">TS</a>]
01:33:11 ◼ ► things and everything every phone number [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5591">TS</a>]
01:33:14 ◼ ► I got funneled me back to that couch at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5594">TS</a>]
01:33:20 ◼ ► the and I could not and so I I tweeted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5600">TS</a>]
01:33:29 ◼ ► and said hi I'd like to talk to someone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5609">TS</a>]
01:33:34 ◼ ► can you contact me and then they wrote [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5614">TS</a>]
01:33:40 ◼ ► back two days later and were like yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5620">TS</a>]
01:33:41 ◼ ► follow us and we'll DM and I followed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5621">TS</a>]
01:33:45 ◼ ► them and they said hey and I said hey I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5625">TS</a>]
01:33:49 ◼ ► have a question about this and they were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5629">TS</a>]
01:33:51 ◼ ► like oh and I swear to you they said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5631">TS</a>]
01:33:54 ◼ ► call this number right and the number [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5634">TS</a>]
01:33:56 ◼ ► was like just tweet us at like it was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5636">TS</a>]
01:33:59 ◼ ► it was an ultimate there was no way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5639">TS</a>]
01:34:04 ◼ ► through and it was intentional it was I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5644">TS</a>]
01:34:08 ◼ ► mean like that is a word I reserved for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5648">TS</a>]
01:34:10 ◼ ► special occasions it's somewhat Kafka [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5650">TS</a>]
01:34:12 ◼ ► esque where it's difficult to understand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5652">TS</a>]
01:34:15 ◼ ► why this is happening and there's some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5655">TS</a>]
01:34:17 ◼ ► level of recursion and repetition where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5657">TS</a>]
01:34:20 ◼ ► what's crazy about science fiction is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5660">TS</a>]
01:34:23 ◼ ► that it that it gets so many things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5663">TS</a>]
01:34:25 ◼ ► right but it often gets things really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5665">TS</a>]
01:34:27 ◼ ► wrong and that was what was so amazing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5667">TS</a>]
01:34:29 ◼ ► about Star Wars or Blade Runner where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5669">TS</a>]
01:34:31 ◼ ► they were the first science fiction [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5671">TS</a>]
01:34:33 ◼ ► films that made things look dirty right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5673">TS</a>]
01:34:35 ◼ ► and we were like wow that looks so real [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5675">TS</a>]
01:34:37 ◼ ► what Kafka missed he was so right but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5677">TS</a>]
01:34:43 ◼ ► what he missed was that there would be a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5683">TS</a>]
01:34:44 ◼ ► giant yellow smiley face on everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5684">TS</a>]
01:34:46 ◼ ► great but it wasn't but but it's also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5686">TS</a>]
01:34:49 ◼ ► not clean right you want to think like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5689">TS</a>]
01:34:51 ◼ ► all those science fiction movies were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5691">TS</a>]
01:34:53 ◼ ► there giant giant smiley places on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5693">TS</a>]
01:34:55 ◼ ► everything it's at least clean yeah but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5695">TS</a>]
01:34:57 ◼ ► this is both dirty and smiley face II [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5697">TS</a>]
01:35:00 ◼ ► and every interaction I had with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5700">TS</a>]
01:35:03 ◼ ► snapchat was just like hi oh my god [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5703">TS</a>]
01:35:06 ◼ ► thank you hey tweet us and it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5706">TS</a>]
01:35:12 ◼ ► look I'm not 14 I don't have a question [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5712">TS</a>]
01:35:15 ◼ ► about like my boyfriend took a booby [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5715">TS</a>]
01:35:17 ◼ ► picture of me and if I did I wouldn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5717">TS</a>]
01:35:20 ◼ ► tweet you right but I have like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5720">TS</a>]
01:35:22 ◼ ► grown-up question I want to speak to one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5722">TS</a>]
01:35:24 ◼ ► grown-up anyway eventually and I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5724">TS</a>]
01:35:28 ◼ ► I got a phone call from a live person [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5728">TS</a>]
01:35:32 ◼ ► there Wow and I don't remember what I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5732">TS</a>]
01:35:36 ◼ ► think it was through their Twitter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5736">TS</a>]
01:35:37 ◼ ► account I said look I want somebody to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5737">TS</a>]
01:35:39 ◼ ► talk to me about I want an adult and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5739">TS</a>]
01:35:45 ◼ ► it came out of the blue I was not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5745">TS</a>]
01:35:47 ◼ ► expecting it I got a phone call and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5747">TS</a>]
01:35:49 ◼ ► was a kid who was who said hey hi this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5749">TS</a>]
01:35:53 ◼ ► is Jeremy at snapchat here's my question [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5753">TS</a>]
01:36:02 ◼ ► he was like yeah well um hang on let me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5762">TS</a>]
01:36:11 ◼ ► and then he called me back two minutes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5771">TS</a>]
01:36:14 ◼ ► later and said sure here's the here it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5774">TS</a>]
01:36:18 ◼ ► is here's the number should be arriving [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5778">TS</a>]
01:36:20 ◼ ► in the mail it's coming to you now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5780">TS</a>]
01:36:23 ◼ ► anything else and I was like wow yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5783">TS</a>]
01:36:26 ◼ ► just one other thing I took me a month [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5786">TS</a>]
01:36:29 ◼ ► to get to the point where I could have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5789">TS</a>]
01:36:32 ◼ ► this two-minute conversation where you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5792">TS</a>]
01:36:33 ◼ ► totally solved my problem Wow why did it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5793">TS</a>]
01:36:37 ◼ ► take a month because it's a because to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5797">TS</a>]
01:36:40 ◼ ► me it feels like this conversation took [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5800">TS</a>]
01:36:42 ◼ ► a month but it didn't it just took two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5802">TS</a>]
01:36:43 ◼ ► minutes right and I knew it was I knew [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5803">TS</a>]
01:36:46 ◼ ► it was a two-minute conversation and I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5806">TS</a>]
01:36:49 ◼ ► you've done more than I imagined can you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5809">TS</a>]
01:36:52 ◼ ► fucking make that a little bit easier [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5812">TS</a>]
01:36:54 ◼ ► for people he's like pop well I'm just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5814">TS</a>]
01:36:57 ◼ ► on the solution team yeah I know you are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5817">TS</a>]
01:37:07 ◼ ► how a good fish taco to dance port [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5827">TS</a>]
00:00:04 ◼ ► hi John hi Merlin how's it going good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4">TS</a>]
00:00:09 ◼ ► how are you young very well that's good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/9">TS</a>]
00:00:11 ◼ ► so early I do I just got a phone call [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/11">TS</a>]
00:00:15 ◼ ► from local public radio station and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/15">TS</a>]
00:00:19 ◼ ► wanted to know if I would come on a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/19">TS</a>]
00:00:21 ◼ ► panel today to talk about whether or not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/21">TS</a>]
00:00:24 ◼ ► amazon.com new bubbles that they built [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/24">TS</a>]
00:00:27 ◼ ► in Seattle are gonna be an icon like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/27">TS</a>]
00:00:32 ◼ ► Space Needle you might need to bring me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/32">TS</a>]
00:00:35 ◼ ► up to speed here I am not totally up to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/35">TS</a>]
00:00:37 ◼ ► date on the what are you the Emerald [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/37">TS</a>]
00:00:40 ◼ ► City what do you call Jetson now well we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/40">TS</a>]
00:00:42 ◼ ► were the Jet City that was a very cool [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/42">TS</a>]
00:00:44 ◼ ► name yeah and and I think an organic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/44">TS</a>]
00:00:48 ◼ ► name Jet City Jet City once we got a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/48">TS</a>]
00:00:50 ◼ ► fight yeah we made the Jets yeah yep yep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/50">TS</a>]
00:00:53 ◼ ► yep and then once you're always Emerald [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/53">TS</a>]
00:00:55 ◼ ► City is that is that that is that organ [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/55">TS</a>]
00:00:57 ◼ ► no Emerald City is something it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/57">TS</a>]
00:01:01 ◼ ► nickname that came about as the result [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/61">TS</a>]
00:01:09 ◼ ► title now things where they're like hey [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/69">TS</a>]
00:01:12 ◼ ► what should we call our city and people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/72">TS</a>]
00:01:14 ◼ ► I think we're like we're out we already [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/74">TS</a>]
00:01:16 ◼ ► have a name Jet City and they were oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/76">TS</a>]
00:01:19 ◼ ► let's call it Emerald City and it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/79">TS</a>]
00:01:23 ◼ ► who said that you know hey you in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/83">TS</a>]
00:01:26 ◼ ► back stand up whoo why did you say that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/86">TS</a>]
00:01:29 ◼ ► publicity firm don't mind me at the name [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/89">TS</a>]
00:01:37 ◼ ► of the odds place yeah oh that's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/97">TS</a>]
00:01:39 ◼ ► good yeah giant Seattle biospheres yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/99">TS</a>]
00:01:48 ◼ ► Oh God and are people gonna live in them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/108">TS</a>]
00:01:52 ◼ ► or they just oh they just green houses [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/112">TS</a>]
00:01:55 ◼ ► don't I say just green houses I new to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/115">TS</a>]
00:01:57 ◼ ► this so so I yeah a few years ago I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/117">TS</a>]
00:02:01 ◼ ► I was downtown I had a I have a friend [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/121">TS</a>]
00:02:04 ◼ ► that works at an architecture firm and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/124">TS</a>]
00:02:06 ◼ ► he was he invited he invited us to come [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/126">TS</a>]
00:02:11 ◼ ► by and see the see what's going on and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/131">TS</a>]
00:02:13 ◼ ► they're a big big company that are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/133">TS</a>]
00:02:16 ◼ ► and one of the things that have they had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/136">TS</a>]
00:02:19 ◼ ► on their drawing board were these giant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/139">TS</a>]
00:02:20 ◼ ► very organic looking spheres and I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/140">TS</a>]
00:02:24 ◼ ► intrigued because they were pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/144">TS</a>]
00:02:27 ◼ ► cool-looking on the on the design table [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/147">TS</a>]
00:02:29 ◼ ► and he said yeah Amazon wants us to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/149">TS</a>]
00:02:31 ◼ ► build these but like in the center of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/151">TS</a>]
00:02:33 ◼ ► downtown and I thought that'll never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/153">TS</a>]
00:02:37 ◼ ► happen first of all but wouldn't that be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/157">TS</a>]
00:02:41 ◼ ► cool if you built like a big thing like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/161">TS</a>]
00:02:43 ◼ ► that like a public space business yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/163">TS</a>]
00:02:45 ◼ ► look like I mean looks like if you've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/165">TS</a>]
00:02:47 ◼ ► seen the Polish or movie biosphere [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/167">TS</a>]
00:02:49 ◼ ► they're big round and they they have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/169">TS</a>]
00:02:53 ◼ ► kind of a who's the guy with the who's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/173">TS</a>]
00:02:56 ◼ ► the guy with the geodesic domes the guy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/176">TS</a>]
00:02:59 ◼ ► show about him you know that one guy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/179">TS</a>]
00:03:01 ◼ ► with the name it's HR guy culture it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/181">TS</a>]
00:03:05 ◼ ► like the HR HR Pufnstuf HR snuffleupagus [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/185">TS</a>]
00:03:14 ◼ ► tripartite of three big interconnected [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/194">TS</a>]
00:03:17 ◼ ► bubbles with what looks like green trees [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/197">TS</a>]
00:03:19 ◼ ► inside and they look pretty big right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/199">TS</a>]
00:03:30 ◼ ► Buckminster Fuller oh that's it Bucky [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/210">TS</a>]
00:03:33 ◼ ► Bucky balls yeah they're there and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/213">TS</a>]
00:03:38 ◼ ► they're built unlike bucky balls which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/218">TS</a>]
00:03:41 ◼ ► triangular components these are made [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/221">TS</a>]
00:03:44 ◼ ► with very organic like the type of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/224">TS</a>]
00:03:48 ◼ ► type of shapes that you'd see inside of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/228">TS</a>]
00:03:50 ◼ ► an actual but like a soap bubble or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/230">TS</a>]
00:03:51 ◼ ► something swirling they kind of feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/231">TS</a>]
00:03:55 ◼ ► like to serve irregular patterns it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/235">TS</a>]
00:03:57 ◼ ► isn't like I'm just seeing a bunch of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/237">TS</a>]
00:03:59 ◼ ► triangles right and I hate to keep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/239">TS</a>]
00:04:01 ◼ ► referencing the movie avatar but it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/241">TS</a>]
00:04:03 ◼ ► feels like something the movie Avatar [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/243">TS</a>]
00:04:06 ◼ ► yes yes yeah so anyway I was and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/246">TS</a>]
00:04:10 ◼ ► they started building him and I was like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/250">TS</a>]
00:04:13 ◼ ► actually go through with this very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/253">TS</a>]
00:04:14 ◼ ► ambitious idea to build these orbs in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/254">TS</a>]
00:04:20 ◼ ► the center of town and what a what a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/260">TS</a>]
00:04:22 ◼ ► bold move for a company that I think of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/262">TS</a>]
00:04:25 ◼ ► as being pretty culturally conservative [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/265">TS</a>]
00:04:29 ◼ ► very has not typically been like we love [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/269">TS</a>]
00:04:32 ◼ ► everybody they're much more like their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/272">TS</a>]
00:04:35 ◼ ► typical tech company that hides behind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/275">TS</a>]
00:04:38 ◼ ► security keys and everything you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/278">TS</a>]
00:04:45 ◼ ► amazon.com or to Microsoft in downtown [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/285">TS</a>]
00:04:48 ◼ ► Seattle it's harder to get in than it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/288">TS</a>]
00:04:50 ◼ ► to get into the White House you know the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/290">TS</a>]
00:04:52 ◼ ► there's so many different levels of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/292">TS</a>]
00:04:54 ◼ ► security and it's like security I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/294">TS</a>]
00:04:57 ◼ ► what do you guys got in there like like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/297">TS</a>]
00:04:59 ◼ ► gold bars what are you so scared of but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/299">TS</a>]
00:05:03 ◼ ► but they they started building when they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/303">TS</a>]
00:05:06 ◼ ► built them for a long time and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/306">TS</a>]
00:05:07 ◼ ► screwed up traffic in both directions [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/307">TS</a>]
00:05:08 ◼ ► downtown for ever and they built two big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/308">TS</a>]
00:05:13 ◼ ► office towers on either side which are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/313">TS</a>]
00:05:15 ◼ ► also interesting architectural II [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/315">TS</a>]
00:05:18 ◼ ► interesting but then as they got closer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/318">TS</a>]
00:05:21 ◼ ► to opening these bubbles they were like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/321">TS</a>]
00:05:24 ◼ ► oh we were never gonna let any one go in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/324">TS</a>]
00:05:30 ◼ ► oh no Snorks allowed right oh no these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/330">TS</a>]
00:05:34 ◼ ► are just for us oh boy it seems like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/334">TS</a>]
00:05:37 ◼ ► that's kind of thing you wanna mention [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/337">TS</a>]
00:05:38 ◼ ► yeah well but even I mean they didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/338">TS</a>]
00:05:43 ◼ ► mention it because they never considered [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/343">TS</a>]
00:05:45 ◼ ► that it would be something to the public [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/345">TS</a>]
00:05:50 ◼ ► and so here you have this this like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/350">TS</a>]
00:05:55 ◼ ► basically yeah Space Station Earth I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/355">TS</a>]
00:05:58 ◼ ► seeing like a anytime you look at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/358">TS</a>]
00:06:01 ◼ ► right thing here it looks like a like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/361">TS</a>]
00:06:02 ◼ ► side what do you call that it that's so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/362">TS</a>]
00:06:04 ◼ ► early it looks like a slice the edge off [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/364">TS</a>]
00:06:08 ◼ ► you show from the side one like yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/368">TS</a>]
00:06:10 ◼ ► yeah yeah I mean like we need to show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/370">TS</a>]
00:06:12 ◼ ► the fantastic for building one or two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/372">TS</a>]
00:06:14 ◼ ► three four five stories yeah okay [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/374">TS</a>]
00:06:18 ◼ ► anything you got about ten feet in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/378">TS</a>]
00:06:20 ◼ ► story plus you got a little bit of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/380">TS</a>]
00:06:21 ◼ ► overhead so these things are probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/381">TS</a>]
00:06:22 ◼ ► like at least like what 80 100 feet tall [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/382">TS</a>]
00:06:25 ◼ ► they're big they're big and they take up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/385">TS</a>]
00:06:27 ◼ ► the space between of a block well and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/387">TS</a>]
00:06:31 ◼ ► they've already on either side they have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/391">TS</a>]
00:06:33 ◼ ► big office towers so the whole thing is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/393">TS</a>]
00:06:36 ◼ ► a is you know it's a whole city block [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/396">TS</a>]
00:06:41 ◼ ► and they've done you know they they put [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/401">TS</a>]
00:06:43 ◼ ► these buildings in they hired 10,000 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/403">TS</a>]
00:06:45 ◼ ► people and on the ground floor of their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/405">TS</a>]
00:06:49 ◼ ► buildings they have a fat belly sandwich [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/409">TS</a>]
00:06:51 ◼ ► shop and a Thai restaurant and a cool [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/411">TS</a>]
00:06:54 ◼ ► burger place that puts lavender on their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/414">TS</a>]
00:06:57 ◼ ► burgers and you know all this stuff and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/417">TS</a>]
00:06:59 ◼ ► if you have a key card I'm sure you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/419">TS</a>]
00:07:01 ◼ ► go in and just charge your food but the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/421">TS</a>]
00:07:06 ◼ ► campus did not it you know it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/426">TS</a>]
00:07:08 ◼ ► built there are so many different eras [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/428">TS</a>]
00:07:11 ◼ ► of like downtown architecture fashion [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/431">TS</a>]
00:07:15 ◼ ► and we've both lived in cities San [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/435">TS</a>]
00:07:18 ◼ ► Francisco is a real example of this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/438">TS</a>]
00:07:22 ◼ ► where a building gets built and it has a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/442">TS</a>]
00:07:23 ◼ ► very kind of open unfriendly sun-baked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/443">TS</a>]
00:07:28 ◼ ► Plaza with some cements in there that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/448">TS</a>]
00:07:34 ◼ ► you could suppose I guess maybe sit on a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/454">TS</a>]
00:07:37 ◼ ► shake I mean no it's just it doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/457">TS</a>]
00:07:40 ◼ ► want to go away it's really tough and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/460">TS</a>]
00:07:43 ◼ ► and that was the I that was an idea that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/463">TS</a>]
00:07:45 ◼ ► was supposed to be that was supposed to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/465">TS</a>]
00:07:47 ◼ ► engage people you know these big plazas [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/467">TS</a>]
00:07:49 ◼ ► and it just they didn't think through [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/469">TS</a>]
00:07:51 ◼ ► how actual people want to be this campus [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/471">TS</a>]
00:07:58 ◼ ► really I mean those bubbles really draw [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/478">TS</a>]
00:08:01 ◼ ► you you you you come to them and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/481">TS</a>]
00:08:03 ◼ ► look at them and you're like I want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/483">TS</a>]
00:08:05 ◼ ► what is the first thought you have I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/485">TS</a>]
00:08:07 ◼ ► want to go in mm-hmm because there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/487">TS</a>]
00:08:09 ◼ ► there's trees in there it looks like it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/489">TS</a>]
00:08:13 ◼ ► Scott probably it's playing like tubular [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/493">TS</a>]
00:08:16 ◼ ► bells or music for airports like all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/496">TS</a>]
00:08:20 ◼ ► right it's it's like the future I want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/500">TS</a>]
00:08:23 ◼ ► to go in and then you get the kinda like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/503">TS</a>]
00:08:26 ◼ ► giant Christmas ornaments like they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/506">TS</a>]
00:08:28 ◼ ► very I mean have to say they're I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/508">TS</a>]
00:08:30 ◼ ► mean this is too much of a compliment [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/510">TS</a>]
00:08:32 ◼ ► but they're very attractive as you say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/512">TS</a>]
00:08:33 ◼ ► like if you saw is Hugo what is that and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/513">TS</a>]
00:08:35 ◼ ► how do I get inside yeah how do I get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/515">TS</a>]
00:08:37 ◼ ► inside and you know the other public [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/517">TS</a>]
00:08:40 ◼ ► buildings that have a similar effect in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/520">TS</a>]
00:08:42 ◼ ► Seattle are the downtown library which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/522">TS</a>]
00:08:50 ◼ ► but it's like somebody got tired of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/530">TS</a>]
00:08:52 ◼ ► folding a box it's really i keep since [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/532">TS</a>]
00:08:56 ◼ ► the day it was opened i described it as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/536">TS</a>]
00:08:58 ◼ ► a spaceport on a minor planet it's just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/538">TS</a>]
00:09:03 ◼ ► like oh that's it huh I mean that there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/543">TS</a>]
00:09:05 ◼ ► are buses that used to be pretty popular [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/545">TS</a>]
00:09:07 ◼ ► yeah it was like a mining planet like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/547">TS</a>]
00:09:10 ◼ ► six millenia ago and that's the space [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/550">TS</a>]
00:09:12 ◼ ► board and it's a typical of contemporary [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/552">TS</a>]
00:09:14 ◼ ► architecture like at some point not that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/554">TS</a>]
00:09:17 ◼ ► long after it opened the escalator [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/557">TS</a>]
00:09:19 ◼ ► stopped working then pretty soon there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/559">TS</a>]
00:09:21 ◼ ► somebody there with some scaffolding and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/561">TS</a>]
00:09:23 ◼ ► a sign that says no access trying to fix [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/563">TS</a>]
00:09:25 ◼ ► it but they're not working that hard and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/565">TS</a>]
00:09:28 ◼ ► then the other example is the EMP which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/568">TS</a>]
00:09:31 ◼ ► was you know which was a again a folly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/571">TS</a>]
00:09:35 ◼ ► of a rich person and and and when you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/575">TS</a>]
00:09:42 ◼ ► saw it on the drawing board you were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/582">TS</a>]
00:09:43 ◼ ► like wow we're gonna get a Frank Giri [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/583">TS</a>]
00:09:45 ◼ ► right in the middle of town and Frank [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/585">TS</a>]
00:09:48 ◼ ► Gehry designed it but because Paul Allen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/588">TS</a>]
00:09:50 ◼ ► owned it Paul Allen got involved and was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/590">TS</a>]
00:09:53 ◼ ► like I know that you built this that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/593">TS</a>]
00:09:55 ◼ ► designed this to be all silver but what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/595">TS</a>]
00:09:57 ◼ ► if it was red white and blue and green [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/597">TS</a>]
00:10:02 ◼ ► and yellow and Frank Gehry was like well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/602">TS</a>]
00:10:06 ◼ ► no I don't I don't want that that's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/606">TS</a>]
00:10:09 ◼ ► what I am building and Paul Allen was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/609">TS</a>]
00:10:11 ◼ ► like yeah but don't you think that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/611">TS</a>]
00:10:13 ◼ ► colors would make people like it more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/613">TS</a>]
00:10:18 ◼ ► and Frank Gehry was like no I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/618">TS</a>]
00:10:20 ◼ ► think that and then Paul Allen said and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/620">TS</a>]
00:10:23 ◼ ► we're gonna need some meeting rooms in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/623">TS</a>]
00:10:24 ◼ ► there like square boxes with chairs big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/624">TS</a>]
00:10:28 ◼ ► big long chair rooms and Frankie was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/628">TS</a>]
00:10:32 ◼ ► like that's not what what I was building [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/632">TS</a>]
00:10:34 ◼ ► and then he said and then you know on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/634">TS</a>]
00:10:36 ◼ ► the outside there should be some some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/636">TS</a>]
00:10:38 ◼ ► things where we can put posters that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/638">TS</a>]
00:10:40 ◼ ► like advertise upcoming shows and so if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/640">TS</a>]
00:10:43 ◼ ► you go to Frank Gehry's website I guess [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/643">TS</a>]
00:10:47 ◼ ► he's got a website but if you look at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/647">TS</a>]
00:10:49 ◼ ► stop hearing Hervey let's say he does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/649">TS</a>]
00:10:52 ◼ ► not acknowledge the EMP he washed his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/652">TS</a>]
00:10:54 ◼ ► hands he's like I did well and more on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/654">TS</a>]
00:10:58 ◼ ► it he doesn't make any money from the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/658">TS</a>]
00:10:59 ◼ ► probably oh yeah he's like take my name [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/659">TS</a>]
00:11:03 ◼ ► no I'm sure he took the money yeah but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/663">TS</a>]
00:11:06 ◼ ► but but what Paul Ellen did was he he he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/666">TS</a>]
00:11:09 ◼ ► got this here he got this thing built [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/669">TS</a>]
00:11:12 ◼ ► but it was but he needed it to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/672">TS</a>]
00:11:13 ◼ ► something that wasn't that you know but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/673">TS</a>]
00:11:15 ◼ ► he was thinking in terms of the big like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/675">TS</a>]
00:11:21 ◼ ► key card buildings in the suburbs that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/681">TS</a>]
00:11:23 ◼ ► he came up in it sounds like a fairly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/683">TS</a>]
00:11:30 ◼ ► anti-pattern in design which is you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/690">TS</a>]
00:11:33 ◼ ► I it's probably easy to overstate this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/693">TS</a>]
00:11:35 ◼ ► but one problem for people who are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/695">TS</a>]
00:11:37 ◼ ► outside of design and don't approach it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/697">TS</a>]
00:11:38 ◼ ► from a certain point of view is to think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/698">TS</a>]
00:11:40 ◼ ► that it's really it's it's a coat of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/700">TS</a>]
00:11:42 ◼ ► paint it's wrapping it's maybe you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/702">TS</a>]
00:11:45 ◼ ► branding but you haven't really thought [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/705">TS</a>]
00:11:47 ◼ ► about how the space is going to be used [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/707">TS</a>]
00:11:49 ◼ ► and so when you that is revealed when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/709">TS</a>]
00:11:51 ◼ ► somebody says stuff like yeah yeah so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/711">TS</a>]
00:11:53 ◼ ► basically what we want to we want a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/713">TS</a>]
00:11:55 ◼ ► fancy building the cool people will like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/715">TS</a>]
00:11:57 ◼ ► but we want the inside to be pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/717">TS</a>]
00:11:58 ◼ ► pedestrian and we want to put posters [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/718">TS</a>]
00:12:00 ◼ ► outside mm-hmm and and we should you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/720">TS</a>]
00:12:02 ◼ ► know and it when you look in from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/722">TS</a>]
00:12:04 ◼ ► outside like so that's what they did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/724">TS</a>]
00:12:06 ◼ ► with these amazon bubbles if you look in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/726">TS</a>]
00:12:08 ◼ ► from outside you see oh inside these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/728">TS</a>]
00:12:12 ◼ ► incredibly organic structures there are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/732">TS</a>]
00:12:16 ◼ ► wisely them all white walls right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/736">TS</a>]
00:12:19 ◼ ► squared off with no windows and doors [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/739">TS</a>]
00:12:22 ◼ ► and inside I'm sure there are like AV [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/742">TS</a>]
00:12:26 ◼ ► equipment and PowerPoint stuff and ports [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/746">TS</a>]
00:12:29 ◼ ► and I'm sure there's a folding table out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/749">TS</a>]
00:12:32 ◼ ► front where you get your lanyard and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/752">TS</a>]
00:12:35 ◼ ► they just built a convention center that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/755">TS</a>]
00:12:38 ◼ ► no one is allowed in and and so that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/758">TS</a>]
00:12:44 ◼ ► know the idea that you would build [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/764">TS</a>]
00:12:46 ◼ ► something like that and then not let [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/766">TS</a>]
00:12:48 ◼ ► people come is is an example of the kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/768">TS</a>]
00:12:51 ◼ ► of like the kind of tech tone-deafness [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/771">TS</a>]
00:12:56 ◼ ► that goes with this this new idea in in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/776">TS</a>]
00:13:01 ◼ ► big companies that you're going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/781">TS</a>]
00:13:02 ◼ ► locate your campus in the center of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/782">TS</a>]
00:13:04 ◼ ► downtown and that's gonna be appealing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/784">TS</a>]
00:13:08 ◼ ► to employees because they're they're not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/788">TS</a>]
00:13:10 ◼ ► going to be out at some suburban campus [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/790">TS</a>]
00:13:11 ◼ ► they're gonna be right in the heart of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/791">TS</a>]
00:13:12 ◼ ► the action and Seattle is a cool city [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/792">TS</a>]
00:13:16 ◼ ► there and get your coffee and people and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/796">TS</a>]
00:13:19 ◼ ► you know I'm sure in their in their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/799">TS</a>]
00:13:21 ◼ ► brochures when they're trying to attract [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/801">TS</a>]
00:13:24 ◼ ► the prospective employees there's like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/804">TS</a>]
00:13:27 ◼ ► picture of a girl with pink hair and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/807">TS</a>]
00:13:29 ◼ ► there's somebody throwing the fish at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/809">TS</a>]
00:13:32 ◼ ► the market and they're like come to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/812">TS</a>]
00:13:34 ◼ ► Seattle don't you know don't move out to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/814">TS</a>]
00:13:36 ◼ ► Mountain View California right but what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/816">TS</a>]
00:13:40 ◼ ► the city what the company isn't doing is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/820">TS</a>]
00:13:43 ◼ ► repaying the city for all that cool [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/823">TS</a>]
00:13:47 ◼ ► culture that they're using to attract [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/827">TS</a>]
00:13:49 ◼ ► employees by adding anything back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/829">TS</a>]
00:13:52 ◼ ► they're just like yeah come to Seattle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/832">TS</a>]
00:13:54 ◼ ► and we'll just we'll just really I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/834">TS</a>]
00:13:59 ◼ ► actually this is actually true they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/839">TS</a>]
00:14:00 ◼ ► actually are not gonna have like a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/840">TS</a>]
00:14:02 ◼ ► of this is a place that somebody's it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/842">TS</a>]
00:14:04 ◼ ► was kind of pitched as a public project [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/844">TS</a>]
00:14:06 ◼ ► but it's actually not going to be such a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/846">TS</a>]
00:14:08 ◼ ► public project is that true I I do not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/848">TS</a>]
00:14:11 ◼ ► believe it was ever pitched as a public [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/851">TS</a>]
00:14:13 ◼ ► project I think it's a tale in here are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/853">TS</a>]
00:14:15 ◼ ► they've got that means that retail only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/855">TS</a>]
00:14:16 ◼ ► frame is long people but boy I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/856">TS</a>]
00:14:18 ◼ ► know about that I my sense of it is they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/858">TS</a>]
00:14:21 ◼ ► stop you at the door and if you want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/861">TS</a>]
00:14:25 ◼ ► arrange a tour a small number of people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/865">TS</a>]
00:14:30 ◼ ► per year I guess like civic leaders I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/870">TS</a>]
00:14:34 ◼ ► sure I'll get a tour right I'm sure that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/874">TS</a>]
00:14:36 ◼ ► I'm at some point someone will say hey [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/876">TS</a>]
00:14:38 ◼ ► we're going to the get an Amazon thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/878">TS</a>]
00:14:41 ◼ ► you want to come and it's gonna be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/881">TS</a>]
00:14:42 ◼ ► because it's specific leader but like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/882">TS</a>]
00:14:48 ◼ ► your regular person who came here from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/888">TS</a>]
00:14:50 ◼ ► st. Louis to spend a week in Seattle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/890">TS</a>]
00:14:55 ◼ ► whoo-hoo were like yeah we should go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/895">TS</a>]
00:14:57 ◼ ► look at the Amazon orbs and they walk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/897">TS</a>]
00:14:59 ◼ ► down there and you look at them and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/899">TS</a>]
00:15:03 ◼ ► you walk over to the door and you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/903">TS</a>]
00:15:04 ◼ ► like can we get in and no and then you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/904">TS</a>]
00:15:08 ◼ ► pull your camera out and then somebody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/908">TS</a>]
00:15:10 ◼ ► with a earpiece is like no pictures I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/910">TS</a>]
00:15:12 ◼ ► mean you know that I'm exaggerating that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/912">TS</a>]
00:15:16 ◼ ► right that's a family look so hard a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/916">TS</a>]
00:15:18 ◼ ► part of it is deliberately open belting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/918">TS</a>]
00:15:20 ◼ ► a good sign this is a headline from a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/920">TS</a>]
00:15:22 ◼ ► week ago today is that there will be a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/922">TS</a>]
00:15:27 ◼ ► it's places that have a visitor center [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/927">TS</a>]
00:15:29 ◼ ► are not open to everybody right you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/929">TS</a>]
00:15:33 ◼ ► get tours you can get like a full [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/933">TS</a>]
00:15:35 ◼ ► 90-minute Amazon HQ tour you go to oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/935">TS</a>]
00:15:41 ◼ ► no Discovery exhibit yeah okay it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/941">TS</a>]
00:15:46 ◼ ► gonna have 300 endangered plant species [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/946">TS</a>]
00:15:49 ◼ ► in it but it says you know there's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/949">TS</a>]
00:15:52 ◼ ► there's an article in geek wire in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/952">TS</a>]
00:15:54 ◼ ► couple of years Amazon employees Amazon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/954">TS</a>]
00:15:57 ◼ ► employees will be able to walk on a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/957">TS</a>]
00:15:58 ◼ ► suspension bridge over a forest land and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/958">TS</a>]
00:16:01 ◼ ► settle into a nest perched within a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/961">TS</a>]
00:16:03 ◼ ► mature tree for a brainstorming session [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/963">TS</a>]
00:16:06 ◼ ► and it's just like like three-quarters [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/966">TS</a>]
00:16:09 ◼ ► of that sentence is really appealing but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/969">TS</a>]
00:16:11 ◼ ► what it really is saying is Amazon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/971">TS</a>]
00:16:13 ◼ ► employees are gonna have brainstorming [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/973">TS</a>]
00:16:15 ◼ ► sessions in this place and Amazon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/975">TS</a>]
00:16:18 ◼ ► employees you know like and and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/978">TS</a>]
00:16:21 ◼ ► brainstorming session is probably gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/981">TS</a>]
00:16:23 ◼ ► happen you know within for like inside [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/983">TS</a>]
00:16:26 ◼ ► an organic skiffs no I don't think so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/986">TS</a>]
00:16:29 ◼ ► I think they're their meeting rooms [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/989">TS</a>]
00:16:31 ◼ ► inside oh geez maybe you can go sit in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/991">TS</a>]
00:16:35 ◼ ► hammock but you know my experience of oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/995">TS</a>]
00:16:37 ◼ ► I went and toured the medium offices a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/997">TS</a>]
00:16:40 ◼ ► couple of times huh and they had they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1000">TS</a>]
00:16:43 ◼ ► had a bunch of sleeping cubbies have you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1003">TS</a>]
00:16:48 ◼ ► no there were like little pods like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1008">TS</a>]
00:16:51 ◼ ► built into the wall and and they had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1011">TS</a>]
00:16:53 ◼ ► curtains on them and you could pull the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1013">TS</a>]
00:16:54 ◼ ► curtains back inside there was like not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1014">TS</a>]
00:16:56 ◼ ► just a mattress it was like a Japanese [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1016">TS</a>]
00:16:58 ◼ ► hotel room how often do they clean him I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1018">TS</a>]
00:17:00 ◼ ► well so I didn't ask that my first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1020">TS</a>]
00:17:03 ◼ ► question was how often do people go in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1023">TS</a>]
00:17:06 ◼ ► and you can take naps in here what is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1026">TS</a>]
00:17:09 ◼ ► what is the highest level inside the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1029">TS</a>]
00:17:11 ◼ ► organization of someone who uses this at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1031">TS</a>]
00:17:12 ◼ ► least weekly and the answer was no one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1032">TS</a>]
00:17:15 ◼ ► has ever used these to take a nap [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1035">TS</a>]
00:17:16 ◼ ► because if you went in and took a nap [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1036">TS</a>]
00:17:19 ◼ ► yeah you would be looked at like someone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1039">TS</a>]
00:17:24 ◼ ► who was trying to take a nap during the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1044">TS</a>]
00:17:25 ◼ ► work day you could probably you could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1045">TS</a>]
00:17:27 ◼ ► probably smoke weed in the office and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1047">TS</a>]
00:17:28 ◼ ► get less kickback then if you went and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1048">TS</a>]
00:17:31 ◼ ► slept took a nap during work but there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1051">TS</a>]
00:17:33 ◼ ► are the facilities there for six people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1053">TS</a>]
00:17:37 ◼ ► and I said do people ever like go in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1057">TS</a>]
00:17:40 ◼ ► here and fucking the eat at night uh-huh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1060">TS</a>]
00:17:43 ◼ ► it's like no no no one ever goes in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1063">TS</a>]
00:17:45 ◼ ► there why would you go in there it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1065">TS</a>]
00:17:46 ◼ ► creepy it's like you know I don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1066">TS</a>]
00:17:47 ◼ ► how and probably they're cleaned every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1067">TS</a>]
00:17:49 ◼ ► day probably they have a dedicated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1069">TS</a>]
00:17:52 ◼ ► cleaning person to clean them but as far [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1072">TS</a>]
00:17:54 ◼ ► as I could tell pulling the employees of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1074">TS</a>]
00:17:56 ◼ ► medium no one had ever gone in those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1076">TS</a>]
00:17:58 ◼ ► pots and I was like if I worked at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1078">TS</a>]
00:18:00 ◼ ► medium I would be in that pot ever I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1080">TS</a>]
00:18:03 ◼ ► oh absolutely and the bring an iPad and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1083">TS</a>]
00:18:06 ◼ ► recline are they yeah I'd be in there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1086">TS</a>]
00:18:07 ◼ ► the reply was well you wouldn't work a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1087">TS</a>]
00:18:09 ◼ ► medium for that for long T and so tell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1089">TS</a>]
00:18:13 ◼ ► me yeah right I mean you could go down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1093">TS</a>]
00:18:14 ◼ ► to Amazon orbs and sit around and have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1094">TS</a>]
00:18:18 ◼ ► brainstorming sessions but to really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1098">TS</a>]
00:18:20 ◼ ► like sit in sit in a hammock and watch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1100">TS</a>]
00:18:22 ◼ ► the endangered butterflies fly around [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1102">TS</a>]
00:18:24 ◼ ► you have to be a vice president or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1104">TS</a>]
00:18:25 ◼ ► higher anyway it's so it's so it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1105">TS</a>]
00:18:30 ◼ ► opportunity that is that from from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1110">TS</a>]
00:18:36 ◼ ► inside their their hive mind I'm sure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1116">TS</a>]
00:18:41 ◼ ► they're because because you can already [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1121">TS</a>]
00:18:44 ◼ ► feel it this was this radio show was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1124">TS</a>]
00:18:45 ◼ ► about like Amazon wants this to be a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1125">TS</a>]
00:18:48 ◼ ► tourist destination they thought of they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1128">TS</a>]
00:18:50 ◼ ► were thinking that when they built it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1130">TS</a>]
00:18:52 ◼ ► like we want people to come see this we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1132">TS</a>]
00:18:54 ◼ ► want people to wear t-shirts and to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1134">TS</a>]
00:18:57 ◼ ► like oh Seattle that you mean the Orab [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1137">TS</a>]
00:18:59 ◼ ► City you know they had that in mind but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1139">TS</a>]
00:19:04 ◼ ► but they couldn't they didn't make the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1144">TS</a>]
00:19:08 ◼ ► leap to think if we're gonna build this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1148">TS</a>]
00:19:11 ◼ ► it's gonna be an incredibly attractive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1151">TS</a>]
00:19:13 ◼ ► nuisance to everyone like okay so it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1153">TS</a>]
00:19:17 ◼ ► got these endangered species you can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1157">TS</a>]
00:19:19 ◼ ► just open it up to everybody to just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1159">TS</a>]
00:19:21 ◼ ► come through like a like a mall but you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1161">TS</a>]
00:19:23 ◼ ► gotta have a way to pay $15 at least to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1163">TS</a>]
00:19:26 ◼ ► go in and and and sit around I mean you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1166">TS</a>]
00:19:30 ◼ ► know the Space Needle is not free right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1170">TS</a>]
00:19:32 ◼ ► but there you pay money and you go in it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1172">TS</a>]
00:19:34 ◼ ► something you know some way for the city [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1174">TS</a>]
00:19:39 ◼ ► to access it and whatever the retail is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1179">TS</a>]
00:19:41 ◼ ► I'm sure that it's a I'm sure that it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1181">TS</a>]
00:19:44 ◼ ► like fifty square feet on an understory [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1184">TS</a>]
00:19:47 ◼ ► that's selling you t-shirts that have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1187">TS</a>]
00:19:49 ◼ ► you know there's no like that's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1189">TS</a>]
00:19:52 ◼ ► there's not gonna be a Fendi store in it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1192">TS</a>]
00:19:56 ◼ ► yeah I'm looking at images here of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1196">TS</a>]
00:19:59 ◼ ► blight of my own city which is this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1199">TS</a>]
00:20:01 ◼ ► Salesforce tower you seen that you mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1201">TS</a>]
00:20:05 ◼ ► the largest tower in San Francisco is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1205">TS</a>]
00:20:07 ◼ ► visible from every Japan town that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1207">TS</a>]
00:20:14 ◼ ► salesforce.com Tower it's like if if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1214">TS</a>]
00:20:17 ◼ ► Darth Vader made a water rocket I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1217">TS</a>]
00:20:20 ◼ ► like not like this style of architecture [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1220">TS</a>]
00:20:21 ◼ ► personally it looks good in London but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1221">TS</a>]
00:20:24 ◼ ► don't know if it's so much here Utama [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1224">TS</a>]
00:20:26 ◼ ► orbs well no i'm talking here about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1226">TS</a>]
00:20:29 ◼ ► tower but i guess my question is this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1229">TS</a>]
00:20:31 ◼ ► all brand new to me i've known about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1231">TS</a>]
00:20:32 ◼ ► this for now for 20 minutes and 30 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1232">TS</a>]
00:20:33 ◼ ► seconds are you opposed to the bubbles [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1233">TS</a>]
00:20:37 ◼ ► differently than you would be for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1237">TS</a>]
00:20:39 ◼ ► another kind of building that was mostly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1239">TS</a>]
00:20:42 ◼ ► not meant to be public like you don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1242">TS</a>]
00:20:45 ◼ ► have this do you have the same feeling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1245">TS</a>]
00:20:46 ◼ ► about the towers that are astride the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1246">TS</a>]
00:20:49 ◼ ► bubbles as you do about the bubbles [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1249">TS</a>]
00:20:50 ◼ ► themselves do you think he gets a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1250">TS</a>]
00:20:51 ◼ ► different bill of goods here well I do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1251">TS</a>]
00:20:54 ◼ ► think that if if Amazon wants to like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1254">TS</a>]
00:21:07 ◼ ► the the libertarianism that is at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1267">TS</a>]
00:21:11 ◼ ► heart of the way that that company [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1271">TS</a>]
00:21:13 ◼ ► interacts with Seattle suggests that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1273">TS</a>]
00:21:15 ◼ ► they don't owe us anything right they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1275">TS</a>]
00:21:17 ◼ ► built their company from the ground up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1277">TS</a>]
00:21:20 ◼ ► they built it they brought good clean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1280">TS</a>]
00:21:23 ◼ ► yeah they built it themselves and their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1283">TS</a>]
00:21:24 ◼ ► only obligation to us is that they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1284">TS</a>]
00:21:28 ◼ ► bringing young people and they're paying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1288">TS</a>]
00:21:29 ◼ ► them a lot of money and those people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1289">TS</a>]
00:21:30 ◼ ► increased our tax base and whether or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1290">TS</a>]
00:21:34 ◼ ► not they created a traffic fuckup and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1294">TS</a>]
00:21:38 ◼ ► whether or not this like the sewers and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1298">TS</a>]
00:21:42 ◼ ► infrastructure in downtown is built were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1302">TS</a>]
00:21:44 ◼ ► built to accommodate 50,000 new people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1304">TS</a>]
00:21:47 ◼ ► who are all flushing their toilets at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1307">TS</a>]
00:21:50 ◼ ► the same time whether or not any of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1310">TS</a>]
00:21:52 ◼ ► those things any of those larger [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1312">TS</a>]
00:21:54 ◼ ► questions of how we interact with each [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1314">TS</a>]
00:21:58 ◼ ► other like they will do the minimum to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1318">TS</a>]
00:22:03 ◼ ► but they don't think of them they don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1323">TS</a>]
00:22:06 ◼ ► think of themselves as integrated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1326">TS</a>]
00:22:10 ◼ ► they're their thing they built it the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1330">TS</a>]
00:22:13 ◼ ► money belongs to them and they bought [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1333">TS</a>]
00:22:17 ◼ ► that land and they can do what they want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1337">TS</a>]
00:22:19 ◼ ► and if Bezos wanted to erect a glass [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1339">TS</a>]
00:22:22 ◼ ► penis 80 stories tall he wouldn't be the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1342">TS</a>]
00:22:25 ◼ ► first rich guy to build a glass penis in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1345">TS</a>]
00:22:27 ◼ ► downtown Seattle there literally is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1347">TS</a>]
00:22:30 ◼ ► building that looks like a penis and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1350">TS</a>]
00:22:31 ◼ ► downtown's it's a green penis which is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1351">TS</a>]
00:22:36 ◼ ► the which is a bad color for a penis [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1356">TS</a>]
00:22:38 ◼ ► that's what most farm fresh peas are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1358">TS</a>]
00:22:40 ◼ ► full of green penis I'm not a doctor if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1360">TS</a>]
00:22:46 ◼ ► your penis is green it may be a side [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1366">TS</a>]
00:22:56 ◼ ► combination of like like ego and hubris [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1376">TS</a>]
00:23:03 ◼ ► that would allow a company to say we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1383">TS</a>]
00:23:09 ◼ ► doing this in the center of your city we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1389">TS</a>]
00:23:12 ◼ ► have the right to do it because we get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1392">TS</a>]
00:23:15 ◼ ► to do whatever we want because money [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1395">TS</a>]
00:23:17 ◼ ► we're not obligated to you in any way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1397">TS</a>]
00:23:21 ◼ ► shape or form to make it I mean we have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1401">TS</a>]
00:23:24 ◼ ► to make it accessible because that's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1404">TS</a>]
00:23:26 ◼ ► code we have to make it like you have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1406">TS</a>]
00:23:29 ◼ ► be able to walk through it but we have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1409">TS</a>]
00:23:31 ◼ ► no further obligation to make it to have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1411">TS</a>]
00:23:34 ◼ ► it interact with you at all if you don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1414">TS</a>]
00:23:36 ◼ ► have a lanyard you know you're barely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1416">TS</a>]
00:23:40 ◼ ► welcome at the fat belly sandwich shop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1420">TS</a>]
00:23:43 ◼ ► which is ostensibly open to the public [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1423">TS</a>]
00:23:44 ◼ ► because they don't have a capacity to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1424">TS</a>]
00:23:46 ◼ ► use their cash registers don't don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1426">TS</a>]
00:23:49 ◼ ► accept money or whatever but at the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1429">TS</a>]
00:23:55 ◼ ► and that's the thing that that's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1435">TS</a>]
00:24:01 ◼ ► understand why people are mad at them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1441">TS</a>]
00:24:03 ◼ ► they feel hurt and put upon when people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1443">TS</a>]
00:24:07 ◼ ► complain well I'm also like this seems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1447">TS</a>]
00:24:10 ◼ ► like there's this kind of cereal like um [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1450">TS</a>]
00:24:12 ◼ ► this feeling of being oh we're so you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1452">TS</a>]
00:24:14 ◼ ► know we're so misunderstood yeah yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1454">TS</a>]
00:24:17 ◼ ► you guys you guys describe all of this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1457">TS</a>]
00:24:18 ◼ ► evilness to us that is not only not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1458">TS</a>]
00:24:21 ◼ ► factual but it's just just unfair and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1461">TS</a>]
00:24:24 ◼ ► like we take such a beating from the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1464">TS</a>]
00:24:25 ◼ ► public you know especially given all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1465">TS</a>]
00:24:27 ◼ ► good that we're doing yeah look at all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1467">TS</a>]
00:24:29 ◼ ► this stuff we've done look at what we've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1469">TS</a>]
00:24:31 ◼ ► done for you but you know this time an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1471">TS</a>]
00:24:35 ◼ ► it's an aggrieved ad yeah and when you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1475">TS</a>]
00:24:38 ◼ ► think about it like all right well you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1478">TS</a>]
00:24:39 ◼ ► just you know you've got 50,000 people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1479">TS</a>]
00:24:42 ◼ ► now that you brought into town nobody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1482">TS</a>]
00:24:45 ◼ ► can move you didn't think of that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1485">TS</a>]
00:24:47 ◼ ► because that's not your problem because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1487">TS</a>]
00:24:49 ◼ ► as soon as they leave the door of your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1489">TS</a>]
00:24:52 ◼ ► building it's not your problem anymore [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1492">TS</a>]
00:24:54 ◼ ► yeah but it is your problem where it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1494">TS</a>]
00:24:56 ◼ ► our problem and I mean I I'm definitely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1496">TS</a>]
00:24:59 ◼ ► the idea that they sell they sell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1499">TS</a>]
00:25:02 ◼ ► working in Seattle as a big part of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1502">TS</a>]
00:25:05 ◼ ► their compensation package because it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1505">TS</a>]
00:25:09 ◼ ► the old argument they used to make to us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1509">TS</a>]
00:25:11 ◼ ► and rock and roll like oh you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1511">TS</a>]
00:25:14 ◼ ► you're so lucky you get to play rock and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1514">TS</a>]
00:25:18 ◼ ► roll and it's like oh man it's my job [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1518">TS</a>]
00:25:20 ◼ ► I'd like to also get money but part of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1520">TS</a>]
00:25:23 ◼ ► the money has got to be just but I'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1523">TS</a>]
00:25:25 ◼ ► say yeah I mean it is and I'm saying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1525">TS</a>]
00:25:27 ◼ ► fairness but like you know Silicon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1527">TS</a>]
00:25:29 ◼ ► Valley San Francisco superscooper costly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1529">TS</a>]
00:25:32 ◼ ► even if you're making pretty good dough [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1532">TS</a>]
00:25:35 ◼ ► New York City you know tough to get an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1535">TS</a>]
00:25:37 ◼ ► apartment that's bigger than a closet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1537">TS</a>]
00:25:39 ◼ ► you could have a quality of life in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1539">TS</a>]
00:25:41 ◼ ► Seattle with a similar kind of job with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1541">TS</a>]
00:25:44 ◼ ► a big growing company that's you your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1544">TS</a>]
00:25:47 ◼ ► quality of life is gonna be higher than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1547">TS</a>]
00:25:48 ◼ ► it would be if you're living in some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1548">TS</a>]
00:25:50 ◼ ► kind of a hovel in Mountain View oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1550">TS</a>]
00:25:52 ◼ ► absolutely I mean the the argument that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1552">TS</a>]
00:25:55 ◼ ► they're making is not wrong my my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1555">TS</a>]
00:25:58 ◼ ► argument is that is taking like you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1558">TS</a>]
00:26:04 ◼ ► sucking from the city but you're sucking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1564">TS</a>]
00:26:09 ◼ ► thing from the city that nobody owns [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1569">TS</a>]
00:26:11 ◼ ► like you can't pay anybody for the cool [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1571">TS</a>]
00:26:15 ◼ ► artists that are loafing around you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1575">TS</a>]
00:26:17 ◼ ► certainly not going to pay them for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1577">TS</a>]
00:26:18 ◼ ► their art but you you're you don't feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1578">TS</a>]
00:26:22 ◼ ► a responsibility to you're bringing your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1582">TS</a>]
00:26:25 ◼ ► people in who don't have culture right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1585">TS</a>]
00:26:28 ◼ ► there 24 and they have computer science [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1588">TS</a>]
00:26:31 ◼ ► degrees and they don't know and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1591">TS</a>]
00:26:33 ◼ ► live in an apartment with nothing on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1593">TS</a>]
00:26:35 ◼ ► wall like they like having access to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1595">TS</a>]
00:26:37 ◼ ► like good saw and like that yeah they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1597">TS</a>]
00:26:39 ◼ ► like you good they look good good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1599">TS</a>]
00:26:40 ◼ ► restaurants they like to go to you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1600">TS</a>]
00:26:42 ◼ ► they're learning to go to shows that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1602">TS</a>]
00:26:46 ◼ ► enculturate the people that work here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1606">TS</a>]
00:26:48 ◼ ► because they will if they if they allow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1608">TS</a>]
00:26:52 ◼ ► I'm sure Amazon has programs where it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1612">TS</a>]
00:26:54 ◼ ► like hey come to a show with us or you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1614">TS</a>]
00:26:57 ◼ ► know like like after work groups of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1617">TS</a>]
00:26:59 ◼ ► people that go do things how you see it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1619">TS</a>]
00:27:01 ◼ ► you see them you see a group of people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1621">TS</a>]
00:27:03 ◼ ► show up at a thing and you're like oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1623">TS</a>]
00:27:04 ◼ ► look it's a bunch of young Amazon people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1624">TS</a>]
00:27:06 ◼ ► all in a herd with one another like and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1626">TS</a>]
00:27:08 ◼ ► that is the process of the culture how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1628">TS</a>]
00:27:14 ◼ ► the culture of a city works but what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1634">TS</a>]
00:27:16 ◼ ► they don't acknowledge is that that has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1636">TS</a>]
00:27:18 ◼ ► a cost on the people that are already [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1638">TS</a>]
00:27:21 ◼ ► living in the city who are making the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1641">TS</a>]
00:27:23 ◼ ► thing that they're that they're selling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1643">TS</a>]
00:27:25 ◼ ► which is like an intact culture where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1645">TS</a>]
00:27:28 ◼ ► there's a music scene and where there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1648">TS</a>]
00:27:30 ◼ ► are you know there's room for artists [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1650">TS</a>]
00:27:34 ◼ ► that don't have a lot of money to live [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1654">TS</a>]
00:27:35 ◼ ► this is the thing about San Francisco [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1655">TS</a>]
00:27:37 ◼ ► that when I'm down there and talking to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1657">TS</a>]
00:27:39 ◼ ► musicians I did this show while I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1659">TS</a>]
00:27:42 ◼ ► there last week where we covered the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1662">TS</a>]
00:27:45 ◼ ► music of a couple of Wes Anderson films [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1665">TS</a>]
00:27:47 ◼ ► Rushmore and Royal Tenenbaums and it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1667">TS</a>]
00:27:53 ◼ ► you know they were probably 30 to 40 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1673">TS</a>]
00:27:56 ◼ ► musicians and most of them were either [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1676">TS</a>]
00:28:01 ◼ ► old San Francisco people like the flamin [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1681">TS</a>]
00:28:06 ◼ ► Groovy's were there Wow and who did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1686">TS</a>]
00:28:10 ◼ ► these days what would you do I ended up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1690">TS</a>]
00:28:15 ◼ ► doing Judy as a punk and I did a song [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1695">TS</a>]
00:28:19 ◼ ► yeah which was super fun and I did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1699">TS</a>]
00:28:28 ◼ ► I am waiting mm-hmm which is not one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1708">TS</a>]
00:28:31 ◼ ► their greatest tunes but but the band [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1711">TS</a>]
00:28:35 ◼ ► behind me was really great and Kelly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1715">TS</a>]
00:28:38 ◼ ► Stoltz was there who's a friend of mine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1718">TS</a>]
00:28:42 ◼ ► Stoltz I know that name can we stole to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1722">TS</a>]
00:28:45 ◼ ► the San Francisco in her though Kelly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1725">TS</a>]
00:28:50 ◼ ► Stoltz was mobbed up with that the kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1730">TS</a>]
00:28:52 ◼ ► of like the Oringer kind of groups yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1732">TS</a>]
00:28:56 ◼ ► yeah yeah yeah okay yeah he's a great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1736">TS</a>]
00:28:59 ◼ ► musician and he hilariously covered the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1739">TS</a>]
00:29:03 ◼ ► the echo and the Bunnymen to the seminal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1743">TS</a>]
00:29:06 ◼ ► whichever one of their records people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1746">TS</a>]
00:29:08 ◼ ► consider seminal he covered that record [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1748">TS</a>]
00:29:11 ◼ ► in its entirety early last year they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1751">TS</a>]
00:29:14 ◼ ► heard it and came to him and said we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1754">TS</a>]
00:29:19 ◼ ► need a rhythm guitar player oh shut up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1759">TS</a>]
00:29:20 ◼ ► you already know all the songs he's in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1760">TS</a>]
00:29:24 ◼ ► the bunny was a Russian train the record [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1764">TS</a>]
00:29:26 ◼ ► I guess it must have been I'm not I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1766">TS</a>]
00:29:32 ◼ ► it's not that I'm against them my face [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1772">TS</a>]
00:29:34 ◼ ► among them kissing the tour toys show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1774">TS</a>]
00:29:38 ◼ ► it's good ass good s record I bet it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1778">TS</a>]
00:29:40 ◼ ► mm-hm sounds like The Killers but but so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1780">TS</a>]
00:29:50 ◼ ► Kelly is in the echo and the Bunnymen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1790">TS</a>]
00:29:52 ◼ ► and he's out there you know those guys [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1792">TS</a>]
00:29:53 ◼ ► are they're very old and crusty last [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1793">TS</a>]
00:29:59 ◼ ► time I saw him when he's okay did I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1799">TS</a>]
00:30:01 ◼ ► didn't tell you the story I open no I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1801">TS</a>]
00:30:04 ◼ ► opened for them oh yeah okay and he came [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1804">TS</a>]
00:30:11 ◼ ► off the stage he was you know III tried [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1811">TS</a>]
00:30:14 ◼ ► to interact with them a couple of times [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1814">TS</a>]
00:30:16 ◼ ► and he very definitely was like boy I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1816">TS</a>]
00:30:19 ◼ ► wanted Beauregard atarid are like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1819">TS</a>]
00:30:23 ◼ ► completely unintelligible and I think he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1823">TS</a>]
00:30:25 ◼ ► knows that he is and he talks throughout [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1825">TS</a>]
00:30:28 ◼ ► the show into the microphone dark hair [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1828">TS</a>]
00:30:31 ◼ ► I was loving it but he got off the stand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1831">TS</a>]
00:30:45 ◼ ► I'm standing by the backstage stairs he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1845">TS</a>]
00:30:47 ◼ ► gets up the stage people are like yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1847">TS</a>]
00:30:49 ◼ ► somebody throws a towel around his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1849">TS</a>]
00:30:50 ◼ ► shoulders and then there's an EMT a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1850">TS</a>]
00:30:54 ◼ ► medic standing there he comes down the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1854">TS</a>]
00:30:57 ◼ ► stairs and the medic hands him an oxygen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1857">TS</a>]
00:30:59 ◼ ► mask somebody do that from me and he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1859">TS</a>]
00:31:03 ◼ ► takes like four big drafts of this like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1863">TS</a>]
00:31:07 ◼ ► just just big big lungfuls of pure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1867">TS</a>]
00:31:11 ◼ ► oxygen and then he's like locked by a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1871">TS</a>]
00:31:14 ◼ ► very rare and off you want what lights a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1874">TS</a>]
00:31:17 ◼ ► cigarette and walks off and I and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1877">TS</a>]
00:31:20 ◼ ► the EMT is packing up his stuff and I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1880">TS</a>]
00:31:26 ◼ ► and the guy's like no no that's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1886">TS</a>]
00:31:31 ◼ ► gonna do anything for you but he wanted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1891">TS</a>]
00:31:33 ◼ ► it and I was here and had oxygen and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1893">TS</a>]
00:31:37 ◼ ► they hate whatever the extra hundred [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1897">TS</a>]
00:31:39 ◼ ► fifty dollars is and he said like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1899">TS</a>]
00:31:41 ◼ ► think it's just kind of a like boosts I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1901">TS</a>]
00:31:43 ◼ ► mean like a maybe get a little head rush [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1903">TS</a>]
00:31:45 ◼ ► but I think it's more like you feel like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1905">TS</a>]
00:31:48 ◼ ► I got off stage and got some pure oxygen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1908">TS</a>]
00:31:50 ◼ ► I don't think and then he's kind of like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1910">TS</a>]
00:31:52 ◼ ► me which I thought was cute and funny I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1912">TS</a>]
00:31:58 ◼ ► was founded eight years after the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1918">TS</a>]
00:32:02 ◼ ► Beatles broke up and the time from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1922">TS</a>]
00:32:06 ◼ ► forming echo and the Bunnymen until now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1926">TS</a>]
00:32:07 ◼ ► is 40 years so that feels pretty good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1927">TS</a>]
00:32:11 ◼ ► did you read the thing that as of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1931">TS</a>]
00:32:15 ◼ ► couple of days ago the Berlin Wall has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1935">TS</a>]
00:32:17 ◼ ► been down longer than it was up I reject [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1937">TS</a>]
00:32:20 ◼ ► that that's very great that's very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1940">TS</a>]
00:32:22 ◼ ► troubling to me this is that night oh my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1942">TS</a>]
00:32:24 ◼ ► goodness we've had an entire Cold War [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1944">TS</a>]
00:32:26 ◼ ► and all we've been doing is yelling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1946">TS</a>]
00:32:28 ◼ ► about sleeping pods in San Francisco [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1948">TS</a>]
00:32:35 ◼ ► that Salesforce tower that's handsome so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1955">TS</a>]
00:32:38 ◼ ► you have you been in it doesn't shower [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1958">TS</a>]
00:32:40 ◼ ► allow you to go Eva and I rock behind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1960">TS</a>]
00:32:45 ◼ ► but yeah I don't know you know it's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1965">TS</a>]
00:32:47 ◼ ► other part of its that's weird again I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1967">TS</a>]
00:32:49 ◼ ► just I'm just I'm not reading anything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1969">TS</a>]
00:32:51 ◼ ► much while we're talking I'm going about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1971">TS</a>]
00:32:53 ◼ ► what you're saying but it what you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1973">TS</a>]
00:32:55 ◼ ► describing also the let's say the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1975">TS</a>]
00:32:58 ◼ ► obvious thing it's it is what what some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1978">TS</a>]
00:33:02 ◼ ► of these companies do is weird and at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1982">TS</a>]
00:33:05 ◼ ► the least tone-deaf but also they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1985">TS</a>]
00:33:08 ◼ ► like this kind of shocked surprised that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1988">TS</a>]
00:33:12 ◼ ► people don't like what they're doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1992">TS</a>]
00:33:14 ◼ ► once they're kind of clocked doing what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1994">TS</a>]
00:33:16 ◼ ► they're doing you know like whether that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1996">TS</a>]
00:33:18 ◼ ► stuff with your data or you know stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1998">TS</a>]
00:33:20 ◼ ► with your other data or building a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2000">TS</a>]
00:33:22 ◼ ► bubble there's this whole sense of like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2002">TS</a>]
00:33:24 ◼ ► oh what do you mean like we're just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2004">TS</a>]
00:33:26 ◼ ► we're just making tech techniques like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2006">TS</a>]
00:33:29 ◼ ► why you guys getting all mad at us like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2009">TS</a>]
00:33:30 ◼ ► like the fact that like you know I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2010">TS</a>]
00:33:32 ◼ ► didn't realize we had to like ask [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2012">TS</a>]
00:33:33 ◼ ► permission to make your city good look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2013">TS</a>]
00:33:38 ◼ ► at us making you're making your stupid [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2018">TS</a>]
00:33:40 ◼ ► fucking town into a destination for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2020">TS</a>]
00:33:42 ◼ ► most desirable men in America like Wow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2022">TS</a>]
00:33:44 ◼ ► how dare you get mad do we put some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2024">TS</a>]
00:33:46 ◼ ► ferns in a pot downtown oh man there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2026">TS</a>]
00:33:55 ◼ ► wasn't a Jimmy John's downtown before [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2035">TS</a>]
00:33:57 ◼ ► and now there is one song right yeah so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2037">TS</a>]
00:34:00 ◼ ► thank you you know I mean it's I guess [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2040">TS</a>]
00:34:03 ◼ ► you could overstate this but like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2043">TS</a>]
00:34:06 ◼ ► know it's kind of got the meme of like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2046">TS</a>]
00:34:08 ◼ ► oh you know should I not have done that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2048">TS</a>]
00:34:09 ◼ ► where it's like oh that thing we're like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2049">TS</a>]
00:34:12 ◼ ► you this app downloads your entire [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2052">TS</a>]
00:34:13 ◼ ► contact list and uploads it to the clewd [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2053">TS</a>]
00:34:16 ◼ ► supposed to do that makes people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2056">TS</a>]
00:34:19 ◼ ► frustrated that we now collate all that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2059">TS</a>]
00:34:21 ◼ ► data against these perma cookies from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2061">TS</a>]
00:34:23 ◼ ► facebook is that weird that is that bad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2063">TS</a>]
00:34:25 ◼ ► and you're like yeah man that are bad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2065">TS</a>]
00:34:27 ◼ ► like you know if you not only should you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2067">TS</a>]
00:34:30 ◼ ► have asked about that but you shouldn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2070">TS</a>]
00:34:32 ◼ ► have done it you shouldn't have done it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2072">TS</a>]
00:34:33 ◼ ► and needed to ask but doing it and not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2073">TS</a>]
00:34:35 ◼ ► asking is mega gross I don't know if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2075">TS</a>]
00:34:38 ◼ ► this has happened to you oh you don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2078">TS</a>]
00:34:39 ◼ ► have a Facebook account or ever go on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2079">TS</a>]
00:34:41 ◼ ► there I have a deactivated Facebook [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2081">TS</a>]
00:34:43 ◼ ► account that I have to use sometimes to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2083">TS</a>]
00:34:46 ◼ ► log into something but I don't post [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2086">TS</a>]
00:34:50 ◼ ► and now so I try not to talk about it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2090">TS</a>]
00:34:52 ◼ ► but if you ask I will tell you I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2092">TS</a>]
00:34:53 ◼ ► III I am one of the OGS at knowing that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2093">TS</a>]
00:34:56 ◼ ► place is a fucking garbage fire your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2096">TS</a>]
00:34:58 ◼ ► welcome it in my case I yeah but what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2098">TS</a>]
00:35:06 ◼ ► what what happened the other day was I I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2106">TS</a>]
00:35:10 ◼ ► got a DM last time I heard about you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2110">TS</a>]
00:35:16 ◼ ► getting a DM it was that you hadn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2116">TS</a>]
00:35:18 ◼ ► gotten somebody free tickets for a show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2118">TS</a>]
00:35:21 ◼ ► uh-huh that's the last one I remember [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2121">TS</a>]
00:35:22 ◼ ► cuz that's where you go you go to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2122">TS</a>]
00:35:24 ◼ ► Facebook and you go past for somebody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2124">TS</a>]
00:35:26 ◼ ► that they hadn't given you a free thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2126">TS</a>]
00:35:27 ◼ ► fast and I get the MS people give me the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2127">TS</a>]
00:35:30 ◼ ► MS and and I don't I don't mind him I'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2130">TS</a>]
00:35:33 ◼ ► take you DM sure um you know don't do it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2133">TS</a>]
00:35:36 ◼ ► all the time I don't want I don't want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2136">TS</a>]
00:35:38 ◼ ► to hear about things I don't want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2138">TS</a>]
00:35:39 ◼ ► hear about but if you've got something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2139">TS</a>]
00:35:40 ◼ ► you want to tell me it is literally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2140">TS</a>]
00:35:45 ◼ ► something private you know there you go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2145">TS</a>]
00:35:47 ◼ ► I mean it isn't private that you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2147">TS</a>]
00:35:49 ◼ ► showing me your pictures your family cuz [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2149">TS</a>]
00:35:51 ◼ ► I don't know you yeah that's not a thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2151">TS</a>]
00:35:53 ◼ ► that needed to be private but but if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2153">TS</a>]
00:35:55 ◼ ► have a question or you want to talk to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2155">TS</a>]
00:35:57 ◼ ► so anyway I got a DM and I did what I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2157">TS</a>]
00:36:01 ◼ ► often do which is I went and clicked on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2161">TS</a>]
00:36:03 ◼ ► the thing to see their profile because I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2163">TS</a>]
00:36:05 ◼ ► want to know who I'm talking to because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2165">TS</a>]
00:36:06 ◼ ► a lot of times somebody will be like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2166">TS</a>]
00:36:09 ◼ ► yeah and I'm like do I know you and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2169">TS</a>]
00:36:15 ◼ ► I go on their Facebook page I'm like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2175">TS</a>]
00:36:17 ◼ ► do know you like you're the guy that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2177">TS</a>]
00:36:20 ◼ ► went on that long road trip with I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2180">TS</a>]
00:36:21 ◼ ► wouldn't have remembered your name but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2181">TS</a>]
00:36:25 ◼ ► yep so I got as opposed to being for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2185">TS</a>]
00:36:28 ◼ ► example a public relations person who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2188">TS</a>]
00:36:31 ◼ ► exactly not that cuz that's the thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2191">TS</a>]
00:36:34 ◼ ► that this person comes on the thing and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2194">TS</a>]
00:36:36 ◼ ► they're like hey hey what's up man or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2196">TS</a>]
00:36:39 ◼ ► something in it and you know usually you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2199">TS</a>]
00:36:41 ◼ ► know when it's a bot or when it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2201">TS</a>]
00:36:42 ◼ ► patrol but this was just it's just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2202">TS</a>]
00:36:44 ◼ ► plausible enough like did I tell you I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2204">TS</a>]
00:36:47 ◼ ► started getting emails from ben shapiro [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2207">TS</a>]
00:36:49 ◼ ► do you know who that is yeah and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2209">TS</a>]
00:36:52 ◼ ► these emails started coming into my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2212">TS</a>]
00:36:54 ◼ ► inbox and the problem is I know eight [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2214">TS</a>]
00:36:58 ◼ ► people whose names are some combination [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2218">TS</a>]
00:37:04 ◼ ► sure sure sure sure I know like are they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2224">TS</a>]
00:37:06 ◼ ► also the future of the conservative [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2226">TS</a>]
00:37:08 ◼ ► movement yeah no they're not right I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2228">TS</a>]
00:37:12 ◼ ► have a lot of friends that are like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2232">TS</a>]
00:37:14 ◼ ► have a lot of friends that are named [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2234">TS</a>]
00:37:15 ◼ ► Shapiro I have a lot of friends that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2235">TS</a>]
00:37:16 ◼ ► whose names you know are in the in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2236">TS</a>]
00:37:18 ◼ ► larger family but but not the larger [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2238">TS</a>]
00:37:22 ◼ ► family event just the smaller family I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2242">TS</a>]
00:37:25 ◼ ► have 40 friends named Ben so I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2245">TS</a>]
00:37:28 ◼ ► getting these emails and I would open [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2248">TS</a>]
00:37:29 ◼ ► them because I'm like Oh Ben Shapiro's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2249">TS</a>]
00:37:31 ◼ ► got a question or oh yeah ben shapiro [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2251">TS</a>]
00:37:33 ◼ ► wants me to and then i would open and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2253">TS</a>]
00:37:35 ◼ ► i'd be like ah sticky on you yeah and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2255">TS</a>]
00:37:41 ◼ ► anyway this facebook DM was from a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2261">TS</a>]
00:37:44 ◼ ► person that seemed plausible and I went [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2264">TS</a>]
00:37:48 ◼ ► to click on their thing and I and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2268">TS</a>]
00:37:51 ◼ ► couldn't get to their profile it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2271">TS</a>]
00:37:53 ◼ ► like uh you would click on and it would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2273">TS</a>]
00:37:55 ◼ ► say you know actions a thumbs up delete [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2275">TS</a>]
00:38:00 ◼ ► block and I'm like stuff I don't want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2280">TS</a>]
00:38:03 ◼ ► do any of those things I just want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2283">TS</a>]
00:38:05 ◼ ► see who this is that's trying to talk to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2285">TS</a>]
00:38:06 ◼ ► me and I click on it again I click over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2286">TS</a>]
00:38:09 ◼ ► here I click on the little wheel I click [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2289">TS</a>]
00:38:11 ◼ ► on the on the widget I click on the flag [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2291">TS</a>]
00:38:13 ◼ ► and it's like would you like to add this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2293">TS</a>]
00:38:17 ◼ ► person to your contacts would you like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2297">TS</a>]
00:38:18 ◼ ► to save this conversation options would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2298">TS</a>]
00:38:22 ◼ ► you like to give them a wave would you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2302">TS</a>]
00:38:23 ◼ ► like to give him a poke a little little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2303">TS</a>]
00:38:27 ◼ ► pat on the fanny and I'm like no no no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2307">TS</a>]
00:38:29 ◼ ► no no I want to see who the fuck this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2309">TS</a>]
00:38:33 ◼ ► couldn't do it and and dedicated five [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2313">TS</a>]
00:38:37 ◼ ► minutes to a 5 frustrating minutes to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2317">TS</a>]
00:38:40 ◼ ► trying to figure out why I couldn't see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2320">TS</a>]
00:38:43 ◼ ► who this was uh-huh well a day or two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2323">TS</a>]
00:38:47 ◼ ► later I read a thing that says Facebook [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2327">TS</a>]
00:38:50 ◼ ► has decided to incur open up messenger [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2330">TS</a>]
00:38:57 ◼ ► their shit EDM platform to people that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2337">TS</a>]
00:39:01 ◼ ► don't even have Facebook pages because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2341">TS</a>]
00:39:04 ◼ ► they want their DM program to to be the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2344">TS</a>]
00:39:10 ◼ ► new SMS oh it's like as a green bubble [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2350">TS</a>]
00:39:14 ◼ ► I know right I mean somebody from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2354">TS</a>]
00:39:17 ◼ ► right but because China I guess won't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2357">TS</a>]
00:39:21 ◼ ► allow Facebook but they don't want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2361">TS</a>]
00:39:23 ◼ ► miss out on the on the a billion [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2363">TS</a>]
00:39:27 ◼ ► workaround which is now you can just use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2367">TS</a>]
00:39:30 ◼ ► well what they've done is they've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2370">TS</a>]
00:39:32 ◼ ► introduced now into the system the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2372">TS</a>]
00:39:34 ◼ ► possibility that some spammer comes out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2374">TS</a>]
00:39:38 ◼ ► of nowhere and I don't even I can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2378">TS</a>]
00:39:39 ◼ ► verify their Facebook's bug slash [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2379">TS</a>]
00:39:43 ◼ ► features was you had to prove that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2383">TS</a>]
00:39:45 ◼ ► or you equals equals zero that your name [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2385">TS</a>]
00:39:46 ◼ ► is you I thought that too but now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2386">TS</a>]
00:39:50 ◼ ► there's this person and now subsequently [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2390">TS</a>]
00:39:53 ◼ ► they've come back a second time and been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2393">TS</a>]
00:39:58 ◼ ► but it's a spam because they haven't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2398">TS</a>]
00:40:00 ◼ ► said anything they're not asking me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2400">TS</a>]
00:40:02 ◼ ► anything I don't want to just like be on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2402">TS</a>]
00:40:03 ◼ ► there waving at you whoever you are but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2403">TS</a>]
00:40:07 ◼ ► like there's still the possibility that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2407">TS</a>]
00:40:08 ◼ ► the third time they're gonna write me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2408">TS</a>]
00:40:10 ◼ ► they're gonna say hey don't you remember [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2410">TS</a>]
00:40:14 ◼ ► you know because it's like don't you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2414">TS</a>]
00:40:15 ◼ ► remember me they might actually be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2415">TS</a>]
00:40:16 ◼ ► somebody that I know right no I I I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2416">TS</a>]
00:40:19 ◼ ► you're explaining this just fine I know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2419">TS</a>]
00:40:20 ◼ ► exactly what you're talking about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2420">TS</a>]
00:40:22 ◼ ► but you have to determine is this an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2422">TS</a>]
00:40:24 ◼ ► actual person if this is a person can I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2424">TS</a>]
00:40:26 ◼ ► judge what their intent is because I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2426">TS</a>]
00:40:29 ◼ ► so fucking sick of being punked out by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2429">TS</a>]
00:40:31 ◼ ► PR people and robots that it has made me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2431">TS</a>]
00:40:34 ◼ ► suspicious and a little cynical about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2434">TS</a>]
00:40:37 ◼ ► that and it's sort of like the way that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2437">TS</a>]
00:40:40 ◼ ► anybody who ever knew me mostly would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2440">TS</a>]
00:40:43 ◼ ► not call me on the phone like you've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2443">TS</a>]
00:40:45 ◼ ► called me on the phone I pick up it says [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2445">TS</a>]
00:40:47 ◼ ► it's John I pick it up but like but like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2447">TS</a>]
00:40:49 ◼ ► it's a pretty good sign that it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2449">TS</a>]
00:40:51 ◼ ► anybody I know or want to talk to you if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2451">TS</a>]
00:40:53 ◼ ► they if they call me on the phone and my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2453">TS</a>]
00:40:55 ◼ ► various spam filtering apps on iPhone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2455">TS</a>]
00:40:58 ◼ ► tell me that like the vast majority of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2458">TS</a>]
00:40:59 ◼ ► phone calls I get are garbage it just it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2459">TS</a>]
00:41:01 ◼ ► says it right there and at a certain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2461">TS</a>]
00:41:03 ◼ ► point you know you have to we have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2463">TS</a>]
00:41:06 ◼ ► permissive model of communication that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2466">TS</a>]
00:41:08 ◼ ► used to be a really good idea which is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2468">TS</a>]
00:41:10 ◼ ► that whether you're talking about a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2470">TS</a>]
00:41:11 ◼ ► telephone you're talking about email the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2471">TS</a>]
00:41:13 ◼ ► democratizing force of that was that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2473">TS</a>]
00:41:14 ◼ ► anybody can reach out to anybody and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2474">TS</a>]
00:41:18 ◼ ► democratizing idea but like now we're at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2478">TS</a>]
00:41:20 ◼ ► a point where when you reach a point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2480">TS</a>]
00:41:21 ◼ ► where most of the inbound communication [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2481">TS</a>]
00:41:23 ◼ ► is harassment or junk maybe that's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2483">TS</a>]
00:41:26 ◼ ► model that we need to flip around and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2486">TS</a>]
00:41:27 ◼ ► until that model is flipped around I go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2487">TS</a>]
00:41:29 ◼ ► do I spend 15 minutes on due diligence [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2489">TS</a>]
00:41:31 ◼ ► before 30 to spending 30 seconds saying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2491">TS</a>]
00:41:33 ◼ ► thanks for the note yeah right because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2493">TS</a>]
00:41:35 ◼ ► that's just how my fucking broken brain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2495">TS</a>]
00:41:37 ◼ ► is it's like I don't want to get in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2497">TS</a>]
00:41:38 ◼ ► conversation with a PR person and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2498">TS</a>]
00:41:40 ◼ ► feed them stuff that makes them think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2500">TS</a>]
00:41:42 ◼ ► that they are cleft onto me and can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2502">TS</a>]
00:41:44 ◼ ► count on me to go you know promote their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2504">TS</a>]
00:41:46 ◼ ► energy drink or whatever just I'm just a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2506">TS</a>]
00:41:49 ◼ ► tired of that it's just blue so you but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2509">TS</a>]
00:41:53 ◼ ► I was sitting thinking about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2513">TS</a>]
00:41:55 ◼ ► internal logic at Facebook where they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2515">TS</a>]
00:41:58 ◼ ► have one of the largest media companies [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2518">TS</a>]
00:42:02 ◼ ► and tech companies in the world although [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2522">TS</a>]
00:42:04 ◼ ► they said I'm not a media company and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2524">TS</a>]
00:42:06 ◼ ► they are worth billions and billions [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2526">TS</a>]
00:42:08 ◼ ► everybody there is richer than Croesus [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2528">TS</a>]
00:42:11 ◼ ► said are you saying I don't think I know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2531">TS</a>]
00:42:16 ◼ ► the reference well it's fun then is this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2536">TS</a>]
00:42:20 ◼ ► bleeding over from your other goddamn [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2540">TS</a>]
00:42:22 ◼ ► show I think I just learned about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2542">TS</a>]
00:42:24 ◼ ► fenestration that was a very good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2544">TS</a>]
00:42:25 ◼ ► episode crease did you like it you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2545">TS</a>]
00:42:28 ◼ ► you want me to tell you the truth yes I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2548">TS</a>]
00:42:30 ◼ ► absolutely was not super into it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2550">TS</a>]
00:42:32 ◼ ► for the two or three episodes I listened [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2552">TS</a>]
00:42:34 ◼ ► to and I thought this calculation for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2554">TS</a>]
00:42:36 ◼ ► John I don't like this show that much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2556">TS</a>]
00:42:37 ◼ ► and then I listened to more of them and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2557">TS</a>]
00:42:39 ◼ ► I've come to really enjoy it and I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2559">TS</a>]
00:42:41 ◼ ► I think some episodes are way better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2561">TS</a>]
00:42:45 ◼ ► chemistry is actually really good and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2565">TS</a>]
00:42:47 ◼ ► ken is genuinely fucking funny yeah I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2567">TS</a>]
00:42:50 ◼ ► think the bouncing checks joke is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2570">TS</a>]
00:42:52 ◼ ► stupidest the smart joke I've ever heard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2572">TS</a>]
00:42:54 ◼ ► and he had it ready he wrote it the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2574">TS</a>]
00:42:56 ◼ ► night before anyway yeah I just I give a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2576">TS</a>]
00:42:58 ◼ ► thumbs-up I'll go listen to I'm the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2578">TS</a>]
00:43:00 ◼ ► bus's it's a good show there were the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2580">TS</a>]
00:43:02 ◼ ► first couple were pretty stiff we were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2582">TS</a>]
00:43:04 ◼ ► trying to figure out how to do it yeah I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2584">TS</a>]
00:43:06 ◼ ► think that Ken he's so funny and I and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2586">TS</a>]
00:43:09 ◼ ► I've been meaning to he's so funny and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2589">TS</a>]
00:43:11 ◼ ► fast and I can you know why I like him [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2591">TS</a>]
00:43:12 ◼ ► because I you know you start to like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2592">TS</a>]
00:43:14 ◼ ► somebody when they make the joke that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2594">TS</a>]
00:43:16 ◼ ► you would have made and I'm like oh this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2596">TS</a>]
00:43:17 ◼ ► guy's good fast I think I just want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2597">TS</a>]
00:43:21 ◼ ► empower him to interrupt me more you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2601">TS</a>]
00:43:23 ◼ ► know he's very polite right and vice for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2603">TS</a>]
00:43:26 ◼ ► doing a podcast with you that a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2606">TS</a>]
00:43:27 ◼ ► people could take yeah yeah I want him [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2607">TS</a>]
00:43:30 ◼ ► to I want him to say yeah I want him to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2610">TS</a>]
00:43:34 ◼ ► say his joke mm-hmm you know he's got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2614">TS</a>]
00:43:36 ◼ ► the joke and he's being he's like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2616">TS</a>]
00:43:39 ◼ ► little microphone shy like he doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2619">TS</a>]
00:43:43 ◼ ► is my step on you yeah but but we were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2623">TS</a>]
00:43:45 ◼ ► sitting across from each other at a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2625">TS</a>]
00:43:46 ◼ ► table so I can see him so if he's gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2626">TS</a>]
00:43:49 ◼ ► like jump in it there it'll be visible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2629">TS</a>]
00:43:52 ◼ ► on his eyes then it went you know if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2632">TS</a>]
00:43:54 ◼ ► listen to that show it's not really very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2634">TS</a>]
00:43:56 ◼ ► edited we just don't talk over each [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2636">TS</a>]
00:43:58 ◼ ► other because we're looking at each [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2638">TS</a>]
00:43:59 ◼ ► other and but yeah I'm proud of it I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2639">TS</a>]
00:44:03 ◼ ► think it's getting better all the time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2643">TS</a>]
00:44:04 ◼ ► well good for you I'm glad I'm glad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2644">TS</a>]
00:44:06 ◼ ► you're doing it yeah thanks I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2646">TS</a>]
00:44:08 ◼ ► think it's Croesus I think it's Croesus [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2648">TS</a>]
00:44:10 ◼ ► mmm but but it doesn't I liked those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2650">TS</a>]
00:44:13 ◼ ► names it sound like it might be somebody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2653">TS</a>]
00:44:15 ◼ ► from ancient Greek Greece or Rome or it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2655">TS</a>]
00:44:16 ◼ ► could be somebody from West Virginia [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2656">TS</a>]
00:44:20 ◼ ► Cletus well Croesus was very rich King [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2660">TS</a>]
00:44:23 ◼ ► Croesus and when you say richer than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2663">TS</a>]
00:44:26 ◼ ► Croesus you're saying that that's a way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2666">TS</a>]
00:44:28 ◼ ► of describing you are describing someone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2668">TS</a>]
00:44:31 ◼ ► as being rich I'll save that barometer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2671">TS</a>]
00:44:34 ◼ ► okay thank you but but so thinking about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2674">TS</a>]
00:44:38 ◼ ► internally in Facebook uh-huh there the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2678">TS</a>]
00:44:41 ◼ ► business culture that if that is saying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2681">TS</a>]
00:44:45 ◼ ► rather than saying let's improve the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2685">TS</a>]
00:44:48 ◼ ► user experience for the billion people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2688">TS</a>]
00:44:50 ◼ ► who are using our platform let's make it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2690">TS</a>]
00:44:53 ◼ ► better for them let's make it a better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2693">TS</a>]
00:44:56 ◼ ► environment let's make it a better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2696">TS</a>]
00:44:59 ◼ ► product their mentality is how do we get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2699">TS</a>]
00:45:03 ◼ ► another billion people to use this and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2703">TS</a>]
00:45:07 ◼ ► if getting another billion people to use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2707">TS</a>]
00:45:09 ◼ ► this makes it worse for the billion [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2709">TS</a>]
00:45:11 ◼ ► customers we have that's not our problem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2711">TS</a>]
00:45:14 ◼ ► like we need to just keep patching the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2714">TS</a>]
00:45:18 ◼ ► holes in in our program because people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2718">TS</a>]
00:45:22 ◼ ► are you know they got nowhere else to go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2722">TS</a>]
00:45:23 ◼ ► if they want to show pictures to their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2723">TS</a>]
00:45:25 ◼ ► grandma but what we want is a is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2725">TS</a>]
00:45:28 ◼ ► billion more users that's our business [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2728">TS</a>]
00:45:30 ◼ ► model and that's so different from what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2730">TS</a>]
00:45:33 ◼ ► the attitude of business was up until [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2733">TS</a>]
00:45:36 ◼ ► recent times you know the attitude of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2736">TS</a>]
00:45:39 ◼ ► business back when it was the customer's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2739">TS</a>]
00:45:41 ◼ ► always right what you want to do is get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2741">TS</a>]
00:45:44 ◼ ► a customer for life and keep them happy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2744">TS</a>]
00:45:46 ◼ ► and that person will will tell their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2746">TS</a>]
00:45:49 ◼ ► friends and come back and use your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2749">TS</a>]
00:45:51 ◼ ► buying tires this time they'll be back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2751">TS</a>]
00:45:57 ◼ ► he contrasts that with now which is just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2757">TS</a>]
00:45:59 ◼ ► like well you know you have to use our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2759">TS</a>]
00:46:01 ◼ ► product cuz we're because we bought all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2761">TS</a>]
00:46:03 ◼ ► the competitors and we're just you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2763">TS</a>]
00:46:06 ◼ ► you're not gonna like it but you can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2766">TS</a>]
00:46:10 ◼ ► log in to any of the other things you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2770">TS</a>]
00:46:13 ◼ ► want to do on the web without using us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2773">TS</a>]
00:46:15 ◼ ► now because because basically we've made [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2775">TS</a>]
00:46:18 ◼ ► it so that either you one click into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2778">TS</a>]
00:46:24 ◼ ► this this new thing through Facebook or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2784">TS</a>]
00:46:26 ◼ ► you spend 15 minutes filling out a form [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2786">TS</a>]
00:46:29 ◼ ► and it's like okay you're right yet my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2789">TS</a>]
00:46:32 ◼ ► laziness and my like my my laziness is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2792">TS</a>]
00:46:37 ◼ ► my culpability but it's just it's so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2797">TS</a>]
00:46:43 ◼ ► don't I don't know we you and I both [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2803">TS</a>]
00:46:46 ◼ ► have many many many many opportunities [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2806">TS</a>]
00:46:47 ◼ ► on our various shows to talk about how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2807">TS</a>]
00:46:51 ◼ ► disappointed we are in the Internet but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2811">TS</a>]
00:46:54 ◼ ► but this this situation or Amazon has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2814">TS</a>]
00:46:57 ◼ ► built some orbs now I just got a letter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2817">TS</a>]
00:47:00 ◼ ► just as we were sitting here from radio [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2820">TS</a>]
00:47:02 ◼ ► station and they're saying they don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2822">TS</a>]
00:47:18 ◼ ► need me on the show they're gonna have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2838">TS</a>]
00:47:20 ◼ ► some architects come on instead and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2840">TS</a>]
00:47:24 ◼ ► the woman Amana who I was speaking to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2844">TS</a>]
00:47:27 ◼ ► and I kind of ranted at her for a while [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2847">TS</a>]
00:47:28 ◼ ► about this she says I guess Amazon does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2848">TS</a>]
00:47:33 ◼ ► have a few ways to let the public see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2853">TS</a>]
00:47:35 ◼ ► the spheres limited but they have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2855">TS</a>]
00:47:39 ◼ ► visitor exhibit section and they do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2859">TS</a>]
00:47:41 ◼ ► cooperate tours that's nice but you have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2861">TS</a>]
00:47:46 ◼ ► to schedule them and they are only on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2866">TS</a>]
00:47:47 ◼ ► Wednesdays so I guess technically the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2867">TS</a>]
00:47:51 ◼ ► public if they plan in advance can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2871">TS</a>]
00:47:52 ◼ ► interact with them a bit but I still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2872">TS</a>]
00:47:55 ◼ ► think it's an interesting conversation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2875">TS</a>]
00:47:56 ◼ ► thanks for your time oh and I don't mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2876">TS</a>]
00:48:01 ◼ ► to mock her she's trying to do a radio [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2881">TS</a>]
00:48:03 ◼ ► she's got a job to do but bringing in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2883">TS</a>]
00:48:07 ◼ ► architects I mean you know you know what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2887">TS</a>]
00:48:08 ◼ ► the generals run the war you know I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2888">TS</a>]
00:48:10 ◼ ► gonna be like well I think Barbara for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2890">TS</a>]
00:48:14 ◼ ► um there's not enough electrical outlets [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2894">TS</a>]
00:48:18 ◼ ► but but so Amazon is covering their ass [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2898">TS</a>]
00:48:21 ◼ ► and anybody that's listening to this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2901">TS</a>]
00:48:23 ◼ ► show that works at Amazon that is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2903">TS</a>]
00:48:24 ◼ ► partisan is gonna say you can go on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2904">TS</a>]
00:48:27 ◼ ► Wednesdays yeah I mean it's you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2907">TS</a>]
00:48:29 ◼ ► it's booked through March of 2024 but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2909">TS</a>]
00:48:33 ◼ ► get your name on a list yeah yeah yeah I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2913">TS</a>]
00:48:41 ◼ ► guess it's it's you know I don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2921">TS</a>]
00:48:44 ◼ ► it's easy to there's so many things to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2924">TS</a>]
00:48:45 ◼ ► be outraged about these days for good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2925">TS</a>]
00:48:47 ◼ ► reasons and there's so many things to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2927">TS</a>]
00:48:49 ◼ ► outraged about that statement I'm sorry [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2929">TS</a>]
00:48:52 ◼ ► Philip bug there's so much stuff that um [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2932">TS</a>]
00:48:55 ◼ ► just kind of Royals inside of you and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2935">TS</a>]
00:48:57 ◼ ► like so for me like I just don't talk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2937">TS</a>]
00:48:58 ◼ ► about Facebook anymore because I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2938">TS</a>]
00:49:00 ◼ ► want to be that guy who's like yeah well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2940">TS</a>]
00:49:03 ◼ ► no you're just figuring that out boop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2943">TS</a>]
00:49:04 ◼ ► boop I hate that guy on the Internet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2944">TS</a>]
00:49:05 ◼ ► stop being that person on the Internet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2945">TS</a>]
00:49:07 ◼ ► oh oh you didn't notice that till no you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2947">TS</a>]
00:49:10 ◼ ► know it's like oh god just don't do that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2950">TS</a>]
00:49:13 ◼ ► so I don't do that because I don't think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2953">TS</a>]
00:49:14 ◼ ► there's anything that fruitful in me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2954">TS</a>]
00:49:15 ◼ ► going see I told you Facebook was bad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2955">TS</a>]
00:49:17 ◼ ► and dumb but there's also this that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2957">TS</a>]
00:49:21 ◼ ► too much called a lobster trap but not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2961">TS</a>]
00:49:22 ◼ ► too too much but there are these kinds [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2962">TS</a>]
00:49:24 ◼ ► of things where you're like well well I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2964">TS</a>]
00:49:26 ◼ ► guess we got to where we are now and how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2966">TS</a>]
00:49:28 ◼ ► do we feel about that and it's like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2968">TS</a>]
00:49:30 ◼ ► the Menino one the now discredited myth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2970">TS</a>]
00:49:33 ◼ ► but the still useful analogy of the frog [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2973">TS</a>]
00:49:34 ◼ ► in boiling water where it becomes a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2974">TS</a>]
00:49:36 ◼ ► question of well if we need to get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2976">TS</a>]
00:49:37 ◼ ► another billion users and we need to get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2977">TS</a>]
00:49:38 ◼ ► this adoption to move up if it's bad I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2978">TS</a>]
00:49:43 ◼ ► think that's a huge issue for Twitter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2983">TS</a>]
00:49:44 ◼ ► where they're not growing anywhere near [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2984">TS</a>]
00:49:46 ◼ ► where they need to for their valuation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2986">TS</a>]
00:49:48 ◼ ► so then you get into this thing and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2988">TS</a>]
00:49:50 ◼ ► saying like well you know we can just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2990">TS</a>]
00:49:52 ◼ ► keep moving these buttons around and now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2992">TS</a>]
00:49:53 ◼ ► you can thread tweets and there's all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2993">TS</a>]
00:49:54 ◼ ► this kind of stuff even though I mean of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2994">TS</a>]
00:49:57 ◼ ► course the chorus the response that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2997">TS</a>]
00:49:59 ◼ ► well what about what about the abuse and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2999">TS</a>]
00:50:01 ◼ ► Nazis is that a thing you're gonna make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3001">TS</a>]
00:50:02 ◼ ► a button for cuz that's really upsetting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3002">TS</a>]
00:50:03 ◼ ► to a lot of people who've been here from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3003">TS</a>]
00:50:05 ◼ ► the beginning but you have to you end up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3005">TS</a>]
00:50:08 ◼ ► doing this kind of funny calculation in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3008">TS</a>]
00:50:10 ◼ ► your head of saying like oh okay if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3010">TS</a>]
00:50:11 ◼ ► you're saying if they want to get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3011">TS</a>]
00:50:13 ◼ ► another billion users or whatever it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3013">TS</a>]
00:50:15 ◼ ► on Facebook or on Twitter then it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3015">TS</a>]
00:50:17 ◼ ► becomes this weird I guess it becomes a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3017">TS</a>]
00:50:18 ◼ ► balancing act of how many people will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3018">TS</a>]
00:50:20 ◼ ► tolerate those changes for how long [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3020">TS</a>]
00:50:23 ◼ ► or that just goes somewhere else at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3023">TS</a>]
00:50:25 ◼ ► time when you and I you know during the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3025">TS</a>]
00:50:27 ◼ ► full full fruition of our relationship I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3027">TS</a>]
00:50:30 ◼ ► feel like the big thing was MySpace and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3030">TS</a>]
00:50:32 ◼ ► there was a time when everybody thought [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3032">TS</a>]
00:50:33 ◼ ► there's no way anything will be bigger [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3033">TS</a>]
00:50:35 ◼ ► than myspace it was such a juggernaut [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3035">TS</a>]
00:50:37 ◼ ► and then I think Facebook you know kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3037">TS</a>]
00:50:39 ◼ ► of took that over and myspace still has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3039">TS</a>]
00:50:41 ◼ ► its demographics and localities where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3041">TS</a>]
00:50:43 ◼ ► it's very popular but I don't know I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3043">TS</a>]
00:50:45 ◼ ► don't have a smart opinion about this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3045">TS</a>]
00:50:46 ◼ ► but like as somebody who is outside of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3046">TS</a>]
00:50:49 ◼ ► the boiling pot I'm a frog outside the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3049">TS</a>]
00:50:50 ◼ ► pod I I do think it's interesting that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3050">TS</a>]
00:50:54 ◼ ► people using Facebook seem to bring to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3054">TS</a>]
00:51:00 ◼ ► it the approximate joy of draining a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3060">TS</a>]
00:51:01 ◼ ► wound near their eye it's the same way I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3061">TS</a>]
00:51:04 ◼ ► felt I never saw anybody look happy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3064">TS</a>]
00:51:06 ◼ ► using a blackberry and these days I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3066">TS</a>]
00:51:08 ◼ ► never see anybody happy there's nobody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3068">TS</a>]
00:51:11 ◼ ► who's excited about Facebook anymore as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3071">TS</a>]
00:51:13 ◼ ► a veteran user that's might maybe not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3073">TS</a>]
00:51:15 ◼ ► entirely true but people have been using [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3075">TS</a>]
00:51:16 ◼ ► it for five or more years I think by and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3076">TS</a>]
00:51:18 ◼ ► large they will all tell you that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3078">TS</a>]
00:51:21 ◼ ► do it out of this grudging sense of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3081">TS</a>]
00:51:22 ◼ ► obligation now maybe it's because of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3082">TS</a>]
00:51:24 ◼ ► their family and they need to post [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3084">TS</a>]
00:51:26 ◼ ► photos there maybe it's because of their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3086">TS</a>]
00:51:27 ◼ ► work but you know I mean if who looks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3087">TS</a>]
00:51:30 ◼ ► forward to using LinkedIn like who's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3090">TS</a>]
00:51:32 ◼ ► excited about you know what I mean and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3092">TS</a>]
00:51:35 ◼ ► don't know I mean I don't I don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3095">TS</a>]
00:51:36 ◼ ► where the inflection point comes maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3096">TS</a>]
00:51:38 ◼ ► some of the improvements they make that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3098">TS</a>]
00:51:40 ◼ ► attract another billion people are also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3100">TS</a>]
00:51:41 ◼ ► good for the people who are already [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3101">TS</a>]
00:51:42 ◼ ► there but and that's kind of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3102">TS</a>]
00:51:44 ◼ ► interesting balancing act is that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3104">TS</a>]
00:51:46 ◼ ► kinds of things that make the system [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3106">TS</a>]
00:51:48 ◼ ► more permissive are generally the kinds [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3108">TS</a>]
00:51:50 ◼ ► of things that make other people feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3110">TS</a>]
00:51:51 ◼ ► more exposed when you make it easier for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3111">TS</a>]
00:51:54 ◼ ► randos and new accounts to get to me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3114">TS</a>]
00:51:56 ◼ ► without any way for me to control that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3116">TS</a>]
00:51:58 ◼ ► like that's not good for me that's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3118">TS</a>]
00:52:00 ◼ ► good for anybody and I'm a fucking 51 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3120">TS</a>]
00:52:02 ◼ ► year old white guy I have the easiest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3122">TS</a>]
00:52:04 ◼ ► thing in the whole world but did you for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3124">TS</a>]
00:52:07 ◼ ► example did you see the New York Times [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3127">TS</a>]
00:52:07 ◼ ► article yesterday I believe it was about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3127">TS</a>]
00:52:10 ◼ ► buying followers did you see that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3130">TS</a>]
00:52:16 ◼ ► can you still buy Paul oh absolutely but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3136">TS</a>]
00:52:19 ◼ ► this I'll leave it to you to go go look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3139">TS</a>]
00:52:21 ◼ ► it up at your leisure but I thought it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3141">TS</a>]
00:52:23 ◼ ► was everybody's been talking about it a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3143">TS</a>]
00:52:25 ◼ ► lot especially on political Twitter the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3145">TS</a>]
00:52:27 ◼ ► last couple days because they used some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3147">TS</a>]
00:52:30 ◼ ► data visualizations data analysis that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3150">TS</a>]
00:52:35 ◼ ► long story short this particular company [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3155">TS</a>]
00:52:39 ◼ ► that sells followers for one thing they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3159">TS</a>]
00:52:42 ◼ ► are basically taking in some cases [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3162">TS</a>]
00:52:44 ◼ ► acquiring the accounts of real people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3164">TS</a>]
00:52:46 ◼ ► and like like those the the zombie the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3166">TS</a>]
00:52:49 ◼ ► zombie that eats out an ant's brain like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3169">TS</a>]
00:52:52 ◼ ► it turns your account into one of their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3172">TS</a>]
00:52:54 ◼ ► follower accounts now that they can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3174">TS</a>]
00:52:55 ◼ ► deploy but it leaves a fingerprint you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3175">TS</a>]
00:52:57 ◼ ► can sometimes see that there are these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3177">TS</a>]
00:53:00 ◼ ► changes or these new accounts that are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3180">TS</a>]
00:53:01 ◼ ► all happening at roughly the same time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3181">TS</a>]
00:53:03 ◼ ► and when somebody buys X number of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3183">TS</a>]
00:53:08 ◼ ► fingerprints are left behind of like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3188">TS</a>]
00:53:10 ◼ ► this certain pattern that is very almost [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3190">TS</a>]
00:53:12 ◼ ► easy to detect because a lot of hard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3192">TS</a>]
00:53:14 ◼ ► work went into it but when you look at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3194">TS</a>]
00:53:16 ◼ ► it it's it's staggering how similar the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3196">TS</a>]
00:53:18 ◼ ► pattern is so you see these these these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3198">TS</a>]
00:53:20 ◼ ► nerds at the New York Times do this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3200">TS</a>]
00:53:22 ◼ ► great work and then you think like man [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3202">TS</a>]
00:53:26 ◼ ► Twitter's very good API to let them do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3206">TS</a>]
00:53:29 ◼ ► permissive API that's fairly powerful [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3209">TS</a>]
00:53:31 ◼ ► for doing data analysis that's super [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3211">TS</a>]
00:53:33 ◼ ► cool but jesus fucking christ how hard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3213">TS</a>]
00:53:35 ◼ ► would it be for them to do that how hard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3215">TS</a>]
00:53:37 ◼ ► would it be for them to go in and look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3217">TS</a>]
00:53:40 ◼ ► for patterns that are just blindingly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3220">TS</a>]
00:53:42 ◼ ► obvious this for a long time was the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3222">TS</a>]
00:53:44 ◼ ► boobs and butts problem where every time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3224">TS</a>]
00:53:46 ◼ ► time you post something a picture of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3226">TS</a>]
00:53:48 ◼ ► boob or a butt would favorite it and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3228">TS</a>]
00:53:50 ◼ ► think that's kind of gone down the part [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3230">TS</a>]
00:53:53 ◼ ► that astonished me about that though was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3233">TS</a>]
00:53:54 ◼ ► there was such a similarity to every one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3234">TS</a>]
00:53:57 ◼ ► of the accounts you don't even need to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3237">TS</a>]
00:53:58 ◼ ► have deep learning to go like Oh are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3238">TS</a>]
00:54:00 ◼ ► there boobs in this picture just the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3240">TS</a>]
00:54:01 ◼ ► very way there was always a pin tweet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3241">TS</a>]
00:54:03 ◼ ► that was about this kind of subject [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3243">TS</a>]
00:54:05 ◼ ► they're always these kinds of things in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3245">TS</a>]
00:54:07 ◼ ► the bio there's always you can even look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3247">TS</a>]
00:54:09 ◼ ► at the links to the like dot are you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3249">TS</a>]
00:54:10 ◼ ► sites or whatever it's just kind of shit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3250">TS</a>]
00:54:12 ◼ ► we're like I don't even barely know how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3252">TS</a>]
00:54:14 ◼ ► to use fucking Excel and I could see the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3254">TS</a>]
00:54:15 ◼ ► pattern if I had if I had if I had two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3255">TS</a>]
00:54:18 ◼ ► months of Perl I'd be able to write [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3258">TS</a>]
00:54:19 ◼ ► something that would be able to identify [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3259">TS</a>]
00:54:20 ◼ ► plus or minus twenty percent probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3260">TS</a>]
00:54:23 ◼ ► thousands of these accounts so that's I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3263">TS</a>]
00:54:26 ◼ ► mean now I am fucking ranting but that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3266">TS</a>]
00:54:28 ◼ ► the part that's frustrating is like this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3268">TS</a>]
00:54:29 ◼ ► is their party guys this is their this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3269">TS</a>]
00:54:32 ◼ ► is their house this is your couch dude [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3272">TS</a>]
00:54:35 ◼ ► you're letting everybody come in and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3275">TS</a>]
00:54:36 ◼ ► shit on and then like we're at work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3276">TS</a>]
00:54:38 ◼ ► she's expected to sit there and go wow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3278">TS</a>]
00:54:39 ◼ ► that was a really good shit yeah that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3279">TS</a>]
00:54:40 ◼ ► was awesome great like why don't they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3280">TS</a>]
00:54:42 ◼ ► use some of that firepower they've got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3282">TS</a>]
00:54:44 ◼ ► when I mean and a cynical person would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3284">TS</a>]
00:54:48 ◼ ► there's a reason they they don't do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3288">TS</a>]
00:54:50 ◼ ► anything to try and curtail the most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3290">TS</a>]
00:54:52 ◼ ► extreme voices and it's the same reason [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3292">TS</a>]
00:54:54 ◼ ► that clickbait headlines get lots of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3294">TS</a>]
00:54:56 ◼ ► comments every comment and every comment [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3296">TS</a>]
00:54:58 ◼ ► is at least three page views every time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3298">TS</a>]
00:55:00 ◼ ► we're outraged and reload we are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3300">TS</a>]
00:55:02 ◼ ► engaging at a level that is exactly the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3302">TS</a>]
00:55:05 ◼ ► kind of metric that they are selling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3305">TS</a>]
00:55:06 ◼ ► right now so you know it's like that old [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3306">TS</a>]
00:55:09 ◼ ► what's-his-name says about like you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3309">TS</a>]
00:55:11 ◼ ► never expect anybody to understand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3311">TS</a>]
00:55:12 ◼ ► something that you know jeopardizes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3312">TS</a>]
00:55:14 ◼ ► their job that's the frustrating part [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3314">TS</a>]
00:55:16 ◼ ► and then they just play it off legit and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3316">TS</a>]
00:55:17 ◼ ► go yeah we're trying real hard here's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3317">TS</a>]
00:55:18 ◼ ► our update like sorry for all the Nazis [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3318">TS</a>]
00:55:20 ◼ ► I mean I when I say that the old [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3320">TS</a>]
00:55:26 ◼ ► business model was customer's always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3326">TS</a>]
00:55:28 ◼ ► right I know that there are there's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3328">TS</a>]
00:55:31 ◼ ► lot of eye rolling about my 1940s idea [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3331">TS</a>]
00:55:36 ◼ ► of what capitalism is but this isn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3336">TS</a>]
00:55:41 ◼ ► better and it isn't an evolution it is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3341">TS</a>]
00:55:47 ◼ ► very a very narrow idea of what business [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3347">TS</a>]
00:55:52 ◼ ► is and it's you know the narrow idea of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3352">TS</a>]
00:55:56 ◼ ► people that have only studied business [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3356">TS</a>]
00:55:58 ◼ ► and they have not I mean it's the in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3358">TS</a>]
00:56:03 ◼ ► some ways the rise of the business [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3363">TS</a>]
00:56:04 ◼ ► school because it used to be that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3364">TS</a>]
00:56:08 ◼ ► went to university and you studied [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3368">TS</a>]
00:56:10 ◼ ► things and then you went and you started [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3370">TS</a>]
00:56:12 ◼ ► a business and if you go to business [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3372">TS</a>]
00:56:14 ◼ ► school and you study business you are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3374">TS</a>]
00:56:18 ◼ ► studying you know in a lot of ways a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3378">TS</a>]
00:56:21 ◼ ► very kind of culty discipline where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3381">TS</a>]
00:56:27 ◼ ► things are in fashion and out of fashion [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3387">TS</a>]
00:56:29 ◼ ► and just but you're also you're starting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3389">TS</a>]
00:56:32 ◼ ► with these infrastructural things that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3392">TS</a>]
00:56:36 ◼ ► without regard to what it is that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3396">TS</a>]
00:56:38 ◼ ► are quote unquote selling they're just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3398">TS</a>]
00:56:40 ◼ ► very very foreign to someone like you or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3400">TS</a>]
00:56:42 ◼ ► me like you didn't get into music by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3402">TS</a>]
00:56:44 ◼ ► saying hey what what what kind of music [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3404">TS</a>]
00:56:46 ◼ ► should I be recording to sell the most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3406">TS</a>]
00:56:48 ◼ ► records right or how can I sell t-shirts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3408">TS</a>]
00:56:50 ◼ ► what's a good way to sell t-shirts I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3410">TS</a>]
00:56:51 ◼ ► know I'll make some band music yes right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3411">TS</a>]
00:56:54 ◼ ► like you know they're going to business [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3414">TS</a>]
00:56:56 ◼ ► school with no novel idea they're not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3416">TS</a>]
00:56:59 ◼ ► going there because they built a better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3419">TS</a>]
00:57:01 ◼ ► and they want to sell it they're going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3421">TS</a>]
00:57:03 ◼ ► there just like I'm going to get into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3423">TS</a>]
00:57:05 ◼ ► business and then they learn business [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3425">TS</a>]
00:57:09 ◼ ► and then are frantically casting about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3429">TS</a>]
00:57:12 ◼ ► trying to find a way to have something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3432">TS</a>]
00:57:16 ◼ ► to do a business about yeah to do a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3436">TS</a>]
00:57:17 ◼ ► business mm-hm and and so some of them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3437">TS</a>]
00:57:21 ◼ ► think like oh I'm gonna you know I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3441">TS</a>]
00:57:23 ◼ ► gonna go out and talk to inventors and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3443">TS</a>]
00:57:25 ◼ ► some and a lot of them are just like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3445">TS</a>]
00:57:27 ◼ ► what what can I get that will attract [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3447">TS</a>]
00:57:29 ◼ ► attention to me long enough that I can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3449">TS</a>]
00:57:31 ◼ ► cash out and then there are these models [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3451">TS</a>]
00:57:34 ◼ ► like Twitter there was a there was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3454">TS</a>]
00:57:37 ◼ ► proposal and I forget exactly who made [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3457">TS</a>]
00:57:39 ◼ ► it and I thought and I responded to it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3459">TS</a>]
00:57:42 ◼ ► kind of like this is amazing why don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3462">TS</a>]
00:57:44 ◼ ► we do this and I know that it is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3464">TS</a>]
00:57:46 ◼ ► flawed premise but also it's it was a it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3466">TS</a>]
00:57:51 ◼ ► was suggestive of a way of thinking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3471">TS</a>]
00:57:54 ◼ ► which was why don't we put together a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3474">TS</a>]
00:57:59 ◼ ► like a multinational entity to buy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3479">TS</a>]
00:58:04 ◼ ► Twitter that is the current valuation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3484">TS</a>]
00:58:06 ◼ ► and make it a non-profit because it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3486">TS</a>]
00:58:11 ◼ ► in its older version was such a benefit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3491">TS</a>]
00:58:16 ◼ ► to the world honestly I think it was you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3496">TS</a>]
00:58:20 ◼ ► know it did fulfill the promise of like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3500">TS</a>]
00:58:23 ◼ ► what would happen if everybody could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3503">TS</a>]
00:58:24 ◼ ► just talk and you know so many of my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3504">TS</a>]
00:58:27 ◼ ► friends came from Twitter like people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3507">TS</a>]
00:58:30 ◼ ► that I know in real life who changed my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3510">TS</a>]
00:58:33 ◼ ► job if it hadn't been for Twitter I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3513">TS</a>]
00:58:35 ◼ ► would have not I mean I done podcast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3515">TS</a>]
00:58:37 ◼ ► before but I mean real talk if I had not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3517">TS</a>]
00:58:39 ◼ ► been on Twitter I would not have met [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3519">TS</a>]
00:58:40 ◼ ► Scott and Adam I would not have done you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3520">TS</a>]
00:58:42 ◼ ► look nice today and I would not have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3522">TS</a>]
00:58:43 ◼ ► seen podcasts as a thing that I could do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3523">TS</a>]
00:58:45 ◼ ► as something like my job right stop if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3525">TS</a>]
00:58:48 ◼ ► it weren't for Twitter and favor that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3528">TS</a>]
00:58:50 ◼ ► me too right I would never have I mean I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3530">TS</a>]
00:58:53 ◼ ► met Amy man after a show and she was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3533">TS</a>]
00:58:56 ◼ ► like you covered my song and and you did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3536">TS</a>]
00:58:59 ◼ ► it wrong and I was like I know but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3539">TS</a>]
00:59:01 ◼ ► didn't practice that much and she was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3541">TS</a>]
00:59:03 ◼ ► like yeah well pretty good kid keep it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3543">TS</a>]
00:59:06 ◼ ► up and I was like loll you're Amy man [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3546">TS</a>]
00:59:09 ◼ ► high five but then the next day she [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3549">TS</a>]
00:59:14 ◼ ► and I was like wow you know shit and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3554">TS</a>]
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