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01:00:01 ◼ ► your next move with a beautiful website [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3601">TS</a>]
01:00:03 ◼ ► from Squarespace I actually had a call [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3603">TS</a>]
01:00:08 ◼ ► with Apple PR last week about the iMac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3608">TS</a>]
01:00:11 ◼ ► Pro after we recorded what did you get a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3611">TS</a>]
01:00:14 ◼ ► call Casey I didn't get a call I did not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3614">TS</a>]
01:00:16 ◼ ► get to go out of course I didn't get a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3616">TS</a>]
01:00:17 ◼ ► call I mean come on you sound like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3617">TS</a>]
01:00:20 ◼ ► biggest of iMac Pro fans in the fray [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3620">TS</a>]
01:00:21 ◼ ► they would call Casey you know yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3621">TS</a>]
01:00:23 ◼ ► Casey has a review unit that would be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3623">TS</a>]
01:00:26 ◼ ► that would be the ultimate trol oh my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3626">TS</a>]
01:00:28 ◼ ► god that would that be amazing but no I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3628">TS</a>]
01:00:30 ◼ ► have received no calls of any sort I am [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3630">TS</a>]
01:00:32 ◼ ► I am not special well anyway they reach [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3632">TS</a>]
01:00:36 ◼ ► out to me and said they wanted to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3636">TS</a>]
01:00:37 ◼ ► schedule a call I was very pleasantly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3637">TS</a>]
01:00:41 ◼ ► questions and I you know didn't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3641">TS</a>]
01:00:43 ◼ ► what to expect but it was really nice it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3643">TS</a>]
01:00:46 ◼ ► was really you know pretty pretty open [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3646">TS</a>]
01:00:48 ◼ ► pretty laid-back I mean you know and to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3648">TS</a>]
01:00:50 ◼ ► just set the the expectations a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3650">TS</a>]
01:00:53 ◼ ► bit like sometimes people will get mad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3653">TS</a>]
01:00:55 ◼ ► at you know like somebody like like when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3655">TS</a>]
01:00:56 ◼ ► John grouper has his podcast where he'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3656">TS</a>]
01:00:59 ◼ ► occasionally have an Apple executive on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3659">TS</a>]
01:01:00 ◼ ► some people get mad that he doesn't ask [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3660">TS</a>]
01:01:02 ◼ ► certain questions like things like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3662">TS</a>]
01:01:05 ◼ ► know when's the next Mac Pro coming cuz [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3665">TS</a>]
01:01:07 ◼ ► like you know the reality is like apples [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3667">TS</a>]
01:01:09 ◼ ► not going to tell you about future [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3669">TS</a>]
01:01:11 ◼ ► products it's kind of a waste of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3671">TS</a>]
01:01:12 ◼ ► question like if you're only given a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3672">TS</a>]
01:01:14 ◼ ► limited amount of time it's a waste of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3674">TS</a>]
01:01:16 ◼ ► time to ask them questions they are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3676">TS</a>]
01:01:17 ◼ ► unlikely to answer or Lord likely to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3677">TS</a>]
01:01:20 ◼ ► give you the answer you want you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3680">TS</a>]
01:01:22 ◼ ► like it's so like asking about like when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3682">TS</a>]
01:01:24 ◼ ► future products are coming or really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3684">TS</a>]
01:01:26 ◼ ► asking anything about future products is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3686">TS</a>]
01:01:29 ◼ ► a waste of time so I didn't I'm sure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3689">TS</a>]
01:01:32 ◼ ► someone's gonna be mad and write in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3692">TS</a>]
01:01:33 ◼ ► because of something I didn't ask but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3693">TS</a>]
01:01:35 ◼ ► that was generally there might be things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3695">TS</a>]
01:01:38 ◼ ► I just didn't think about but generally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3698">TS</a>]
01:01:40 ◼ ► there were a lot of things that I didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3700">TS</a>]
01:01:41 ◼ ► ask because the real question even if it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3701">TS</a>]
01:01:44 ◼ ► wasn't a phrase a certain way you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3704">TS</a>]
01:01:46 ◼ ► tell the real question is really about a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3706">TS</a>]
01:01:48 ◼ ► future product so for example like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3708">TS</a>]
01:01:50 ◼ ► wanted to ask about like you know why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3710">TS</a>]
01:01:52 ◼ ► are there so many USB a ports and a card [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3712">TS</a>]
01:01:55 ◼ ► reader on the back but I knew like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3715">TS</a>]
01:01:57 ◼ ► that's really a question about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3717">TS</a>]
01:01:59 ◼ ► MacBook Pro that was my question you did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3719">TS</a>]
01:02:01 ◼ ► so you didn't ask that was my first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3721">TS</a>]
01:02:02 ◼ ► thing to ask you you didn't ask my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3722">TS</a>]
01:02:03 ◼ ► question I actually did kind of ask it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3723">TS</a>]
01:02:06 ◼ ► but I didn't get the response that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3726">TS</a>]
01:02:08 ◼ ► like well you know our Pro customers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3728">TS</a>]
01:02:10 ◼ ► hated the MacBook Pro like no it wasn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3730">TS</a>]
01:02:11 ◼ ► like that it was basically explaining [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3731">TS</a>]
01:02:13 ◼ ► we offer the ports as many as we could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3733">TS</a>]
01:02:15 ◼ ► for a pro customers it's like that kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3735">TS</a>]
01:02:17 ◼ ► of thing ya know that's what that's that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3737">TS</a>]
01:02:19 ◼ ► question there's those type of questions [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3739">TS</a>]
01:02:21 ◼ ► because you can't ask them about future [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3741">TS</a>]
01:02:22 ◼ ► things you can only ask them about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3742">TS</a>]
01:02:23 ◼ ► product so basically that's that's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3743">TS</a>]
01:02:25 ◼ ► only way you ever you mean anything is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3745">TS</a>]
01:02:26 ◼ ► to say why does product that you're at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3746">TS</a>]
01:02:29 ◼ ► that we're talking about right now have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3749">TS</a>]
01:02:31 ◼ ► a feature right so right why doesn't it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3751">TS</a>]
01:02:34 ◼ ► you can't even say why does the iMac Pro [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3754">TS</a>]
01:02:37 ◼ ► have USBA ports and the MacBook Pro [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3757">TS</a>]
01:02:39 ◼ ► doesn't you have to just say I noticed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3759">TS</a>]
01:02:42 ◼ ► there's a lot of USB 8 ports in the back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3762">TS</a>]
01:02:43 ◼ ► why are those there or like why does it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3763">TS</a>]
01:02:45 ◼ ► have them and like in to give them the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3765">TS</a>]
01:02:47 ◼ ► opportunity to give their canned PR [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3767">TS</a>]
01:02:48 ◼ ► answer and if they don't have a camp [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3768">TS</a>]
01:02:50 ◼ ► your answer because I thought you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3770">TS</a>]
01:02:51 ◼ ► whatever ask that then they have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3771">TS</a>]
01:02:53 ◼ ► think on their feet and maybe you get a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3773">TS</a>]
01:02:54 ◼ ► little bit of insight but sometimes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3774">TS</a>]
01:02:55 ◼ ► there may be very forthcoming about you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3775">TS</a>]
01:02:57 ◼ ► know like they could say there's some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3777">TS</a>]
01:02:59 ◼ ► specific customers that we talk to that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3779">TS</a>]
01:03:01 ◼ ► really important USB or peripherals and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3781">TS</a>]
01:03:02 ◼ ► we thought like you never know what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3782">TS</a>]
01:03:03 ◼ ► they're gonna say and that's the way to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3783">TS</a>]
01:03:04 ◼ ► get get legit information out of it you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3784">TS</a>]
01:03:06 ◼ ► just have to know how to phrase it not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3786">TS</a>]
01:03:08 ◼ ► as this computer doesn't have them what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3788">TS</a>]
01:03:10 ◼ ► is the iMac Pro have them because that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3790">TS</a>]
01:03:11 ◼ ► not going to put them in the right frame [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3791">TS</a>]
01:03:13 ◼ ► of mind to give you any good info right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3793">TS</a>]
01:03:15 ◼ ► exactly anyway it's very clear that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3795">TS</a>]
01:03:19 ◼ ► really are very heavily focused on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3799">TS</a>]
01:03:21 ◼ ► developers for this machine you know it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3801">TS</a>]
01:03:24 ◼ ► wasn't immediately obvious when the PR [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3804">TS</a>]
01:03:26 ◼ ► first came out like on whatever day it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3806">TS</a>]
01:03:27 ◼ ► was that all the all the embargoes that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3807">TS</a>]
01:03:29 ◼ ► said on that like the first week review [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3809">TS</a>]
01:03:30 ◼ ► units it wasn't incredibly obvious then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3810">TS</a>]
01:03:32 ◼ ► because everything that came out first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3812">TS</a>]
01:03:34 ◼ ► was all like youtubers and so we all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3814">TS</a>]
01:03:37 ◼ ► thought myself included like wow they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3817">TS</a>]
01:03:38 ◼ ► just gave it to youtubers that's kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3818">TS</a>]
01:03:40 ◼ ► I guess that's understandable but then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3820">TS</a>]
01:03:42 ◼ ► as it turned out like later that day we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3822">TS</a>]
01:03:44 ◼ ► saw a bunch of like tweets and blog [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3824">TS</a>]
01:03:46 ◼ ► posts many of which were from developers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3826">TS</a>]
01:03:48 ◼ ► and it's very clear that they actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3828">TS</a>]
01:03:51 ◼ ► were reaching out to lot developers for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3831">TS</a>]
01:03:53 ◼ ► this and developers just aren't that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3833">TS</a>]
01:03:54 ◼ ► good at like you know being at minute [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3834">TS</a>]
01:03:56 ◼ ► one after an embargo and stuff like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3836">TS</a>]
01:04:01 ◼ ► journalists so that's you know it's kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3841">TS</a>]
01:04:04 ◼ ► of like trying to coordinate cats to all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3844">TS</a>]
01:04:06 ◼ ► well I still believe the cats are all a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3846">TS</a>]
01:04:08 ◼ ► hive mind and they're all the same cat [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3848">TS</a>]
01:04:10 ◼ ► just different visions of the same cat [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3850">TS</a>]
01:04:13 ◼ ► yeah very strong focus on developers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3853">TS</a>]
01:04:15 ◼ ► here they really you could tell that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3855">TS</a>]
01:04:17 ◼ ► they worked with lot of developers and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3857">TS</a>]
01:04:19 ◼ ► development they talked to a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3859">TS</a>]
01:04:20 ◼ ► developers they clearly cared a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3860">TS</a>]
01:04:22 ◼ ► about developer needs because a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3862">TS</a>]
01:04:27 ◼ ► - you know just people like me who are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3867">TS</a>]
01:04:30 ◼ ► willing to spend the money on a very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3870">TS</a>]
01:04:33 ◼ ► development they're gonna sell to you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3873">TS</a>]
01:04:35 ◼ ► know VR developers you know hopefully [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3875">TS</a>]
01:04:37 ◼ ► and you know high end developers content [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3877">TS</a>]
01:04:39 ◼ ► creators and cetera so like they were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3879">TS</a>]
01:04:40 ◼ ► very concerned about making sure that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3880">TS</a>]
01:04:42 ◼ ► this was a good machine for developers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3882">TS</a>]
01:04:44 ◼ ► and I really respect that and even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3884">TS</a>]
01:04:46 ◼ ► though you know it's kind of I'm a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3886">TS</a>]
01:04:48 ◼ ► little bit biased and that because I'm a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3888">TS</a>]
01:04:49 ◼ ► developer and this worked out for me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3889">TS</a>]
01:04:50 ◼ ► because they wanted to talk to me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3890">TS</a>]
01:04:52 ◼ ► so obviously I'm a little bit biased but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3892">TS</a>]
01:04:54 ◼ ► I thought that was a really good angle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3894">TS</a>]
01:04:56 ◼ ► they seemed sincere about it they seem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3896">TS</a>]
01:04:57 ◼ ► like they've really done their homework [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3897">TS</a>]
01:04:58 ◼ ► then their diligence and done their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3898">TS</a>]
01:04:59 ◼ ► research and for instance like one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3899">TS</a>]
01:05:02 ◼ ► the things was that 10 core they find is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3902">TS</a>]
01:05:05 ◼ ► is the most ideal configuration for most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3905">TS</a>]
01:05:07 ◼ ► developer workflows and they know this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3907">TS</a>]
01:05:09 ◼ ► because they actually did tests and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3909">TS</a>]
01:05:11 ◼ ► know work of people and figured out what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3911">TS</a>]
01:05:12 ◼ ► people do and and were able to tell that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3912">TS</a>]
01:05:15 ◼ ► like usually after about the 10 core [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3915">TS</a>]
01:05:17 ◼ ► mark the you know today's tools tend to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3917">TS</a>]
01:05:20 ◼ ► not use many of the cores after that or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3920">TS</a>]
01:05:22 ◼ ► your bottlenecked by other things like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3922">TS</a>]
01:05:24 ◼ ► i/o so that made total sense one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3924">TS</a>]
01:05:27 ◼ ► these I asked about because you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3927">TS</a>]
01:05:29 ◼ ► last show we had a lot of discussion [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3929">TS</a>]
01:05:30 ◼ ► about the thermal design of the iMac Pro [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3930">TS</a>]
01:05:34 ◼ ► and and about the idea that they were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3934">TS</a>]
01:05:36 ◼ ► down clocking the the two base CPUs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3936">TS</a>]
01:05:39 ◼ ► violate 10% or something at their base [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3939">TS</a>]
01:05:41 ◼ ► clocks and we're kind of saying you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3941">TS</a>]
01:05:44 ◼ ► John had a lot of thoughts about it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3944">TS</a>]
01:05:45 ◼ ► kind of saying like you know why drop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3945">TS</a>]
01:05:47 ◼ ► down the performance to fit in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3947">TS</a>]
01:05:50 ◼ ► enclosure that nobody was asking you to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3950">TS</a>]
01:05:51 ◼ ► fit it in so I asked a lot about this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3951">TS</a>]
01:05:54 ◼ ► and they were pretty unwavering about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3954">TS</a>]
01:05:58 ◼ ► that they didn't like cram it in here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3958">TS</a>]
01:06:02 ◼ ► unnecessarily they tried to see if they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3962">TS</a>]
01:06:06 ◼ ► could fit workstation components into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3966">TS</a>]
01:06:08 ◼ ► this case and they could you know they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3968">TS</a>]
01:06:11 ◼ ► did a lot of redesigning of the thermal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3971">TS</a>]
01:06:12 ◼ ► so like because there is no 3.5 inch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3972">TS</a>]
01:06:15 ◼ ► disc offered in the iMac Pro that frees [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3975">TS</a>]
01:06:18 ◼ ► up a pretty large block of pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3978">TS</a>]
01:06:21 ◼ ► premium space right in the middle and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3981">TS</a>]
01:06:23 ◼ ► and you know the screen I have just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3983">TS</a>]
01:06:25 ◼ ► compared to the in terms of my Mac are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3985">TS</a>]
01:06:26 ◼ ► huge and it certainly does seem like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3986">TS</a>]
01:06:29 ◼ ► they have filled a lot of that space [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3989">TS</a>]
01:06:30 ◼ ► with like heatsink basically because it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3990">TS</a>]
01:06:36 ◼ ► apparatus back there from the pictures [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3996">TS</a>]
01:06:37 ◼ ► so the the impression I got from this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3997">TS</a>]
01:06:41 ◼ ► they didn't have to compromise to fit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4001">TS</a>]
01:06:45 ◼ ► the workstation parts into this case [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4005">TS</a>]
01:06:47 ◼ ► they designed it it fit and there seems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4007">TS</a>]
01:06:50 ◼ ► to be Headroom which I get to in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4010">TS</a>]
01:06:51 ◼ ► little bit so what do they say about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4011">TS</a>]
01:06:53 ◼ ► down clocking we had some feedback about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4013">TS</a>]
01:06:55 ◼ ► that so this is the base CPUs that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4015">TS</a>]
01:06:57 ◼ ► talked about but there's also the GPUs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4017">TS</a>]
01:06:59 ◼ ► which I didn't know whether they were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4019">TS</a>]
01:07:01 ◼ ► down clocking and I speculated that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4021">TS</a>]
01:07:02 ◼ ► maybe they'd be 90% down but someone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4022">TS</a>]
01:07:04 ◼ ► emailed the show to say there are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4024">TS</a>]
01:07:05 ◼ ► actually 83% down clock versus what they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4025">TS</a>]
01:07:08 ◼ ► would be like if you took that same card [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4028">TS</a>]
01:07:10 ◼ ► and put it in a PC and so and also one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4030">TS</a>]
01:07:14 ◼ ► clocking specifically the GPUs again I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4034">TS</a>]
01:07:17 ◼ ► don't know if the provenance of this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4037">TS</a>]
01:07:19 ◼ ► information is sound or not but someone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4039">TS</a>]
01:07:21 ◼ ► emailed it to suggest that AMD has been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4041">TS</a>]
01:07:24 ◼ ► optimistic with the clock speeds and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4044">TS</a>]
01:07:27 ◼ ► that really if you run them at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4047">TS</a>]
01:07:29 ◼ ► quote-unquote rated speed it shortens [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4049">TS</a>]
01:07:31 ◼ ► their life and Apple cares more about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4051">TS</a>]
01:07:32 ◼ ► them so that they just by you know they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4052">TS</a>]
01:07:34 ◼ ► just always run them slightly down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4054">TS</a>]
01:07:36 ◼ ► clocked anyway just because if they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4056">TS</a>]
01:07:37 ◼ ► don't they'll have reliability problems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4057">TS</a>]
01:07:39 ◼ ► I don't know if that's crash can't fall [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4059">TS</a>]
01:07:40 ◼ ► out or just total BS or just speculation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4060">TS</a>]
01:07:43 ◼ ► or whatever but anyway all we know is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4063">TS</a>]
01:07:46 ◼ ► the the numbers we can look at and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4066">TS</a>]
01:07:47 ◼ ► apparently if you buy this exact card [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4067">TS</a>]
01:07:50 ◼ ► from AMD and it's on a player card slot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4070">TS</a>]
01:07:53 ◼ ► the iMac is running them 83 percent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4073">TS</a>]
01:07:59 ◼ ► insignificant so when they say can we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4079">TS</a>]
01:08:00 ◼ ► fit it yes they could fit it but if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4080">TS</a>]
01:08:02 ◼ ► can fit it by down clocking and using [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4082">TS</a>]
01:08:05 ◼ ► slower speed things did you really fit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4085">TS</a>]
01:08:09 ◼ ► it or did you have to compromise them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4089">TS</a>]
01:08:10 ◼ ► something like I feel like their answer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4090">TS</a>]
01:08:12 ◼ ► to you is just rephrasing the question [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4092">TS</a>]
01:08:13 ◼ ► like why did you fit everything inside [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4093">TS</a>]
01:08:15 ◼ ► the case we wanted to see if we could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4095">TS</a>]
01:08:16 ◼ ► fair yeah but why well I didn't like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4096">TS</a>]
01:08:17 ◼ ► what the real question is why didn't you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4097">TS</a>]
01:08:19 ◼ ► make a new case and that the reason [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4099">TS</a>]
01:08:21 ◼ ► there was like old we didn't want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4101">TS</a>]
01:08:22 ◼ ► spend that much money on it it would be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4102">TS</a>]
01:08:23 ◼ ► a lot of design time we wouldn't you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4103">TS</a>]
01:08:25 ◼ ► know like there's other reasons that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4105">TS</a>]
01:08:26 ◼ ► they're probably not going to tell you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4106">TS</a>]
01:08:27 ◼ ► of why they didn't design a new case [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4107">TS</a>]
01:08:29 ◼ ► because surely it is faster to market [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4109">TS</a>]
01:08:31 ◼ ► and cost them less money in less time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4111">TS</a>]
01:08:33 ◼ ► and less everything to use the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4113">TS</a>]
01:08:36 ◼ ► external design probably well that I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4116">TS</a>]
01:08:39 ◼ ► gonna say they get to use the same visa [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4119">TS</a>]
01:08:40 ◼ ► mounts but they did change that part of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4120">TS</a>]
01:08:42 ◼ ► the case so I don't know it's still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4122">TS</a>]
01:08:43 ◼ ► slightly mysterious to me but anyway [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4123">TS</a>]
01:08:45 ◼ ► that from as far as we can tell you take [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4125">TS</a>]
01:08:48 ◼ ► those same parts and put them in an ugly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4128">TS</a>]
01:08:51 ◼ ► boxy PC and you can get them all to run [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4131">TS</a>]
01:08:54 ◼ ► speeds or use hi urban parts yeah I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4134">TS</a>]
01:08:57 ◼ ► the the GPU I honestly I I don't have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4137">TS</a>]
01:09:00 ◼ ► any qualifications to talk about GPUs so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4140">TS</a>]
01:09:02 ◼ ► I didn't ask really anything about them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4142">TS</a>]
01:09:04 ◼ ► because I don't know any much GPUs but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4144">TS</a>]
01:09:06 ◼ ► on the cpu part as a guru points out a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4146">TS</a>]
01:09:09 ◼ ► lot like Apple doesn't usually lie like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4149">TS</a>]
01:09:12 ◼ ► you know they'll spin things a certain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4152">TS</a>]
01:09:14 ◼ ► way if they want to but they don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4154">TS</a>]
01:09:15 ◼ ► usually outright lie like usually if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4155">TS</a>]
01:09:17 ◼ ► they tell you a straight out answer that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4157">TS</a>]
01:09:19 ◼ ► is the truth so and in this case like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4159">TS</a>]
01:09:22 ◼ ► they were very clear that like they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4162">TS</a>]
01:09:24 ◼ ► didn't need to change the case and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4164">TS</a>]
01:09:26 ◼ ► there's some thermal stuff that that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4166">TS</a>]
01:09:28 ◼ ► I'll get to in a few minutes that that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4168">TS</a>]
01:09:29 ◼ ► think probably supports that theory if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4169">TS</a>]
01:09:32 ◼ ► it ends up being you know panning out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4172">TS</a>]
01:09:33 ◼ ► that way on the subject of the CPU down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4173">TS</a>]
01:09:37 ◼ ► clocking so I did some research before [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4177">TS</a>]
01:09:39 ◼ ► the call and I discovered that it's only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4179">TS</a>]
01:09:41 ◼ ► the eight and ten core that are down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4181">TS</a>]
01:09:43 ◼ ► clocked from there like retail speeds [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4183">TS</a>]
01:09:45 ◼ ► from the retail parts the the 14 and 18 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4185">TS</a>]
01:09:48 ◼ ► are identical they are all overrated at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4188">TS</a>]
01:09:50 ◼ ► the same TDP to the same heat capacity [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4190">TS</a>]
01:09:53 ◼ ► of 140 watts they all are the same the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4193">TS</a>]
01:09:56 ◼ ► eight and ten core chips are special [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4196">TS</a>]
01:09:59 ◼ ► chips that were made by Intel just for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4199">TS</a>]
01:10:01 ◼ ► apples OEM use here that's why they even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4201">TS</a>]
01:10:04 ◼ ► have different model numbers they they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4204">TS</a>]
01:10:05 ◼ ► have a B on the end and they're like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4205">TS</a>]
01:10:06 ◼ ► slightly different numbers than their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4206">TS</a>]
01:10:07 ◼ ► counterparts if you look at all into the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4207">TS</a>]
01:10:09 ◼ ► Wikipedia table that lists all this all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4209">TS</a>]
01:10:11 ◼ ► this guy like Zeon's so you can see like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4211">TS</a>]
01:10:13 ◼ ► there these are special chips that are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4213">TS</a>]
01:10:15 ◼ ► only used in you know by Apple and only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4215">TS</a>]
01:10:18 ◼ ► so far only in the iMac Pro and their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4218">TS</a>]
01:10:20 ◼ ► answer to that was basically like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4220">TS</a>]
01:10:22 ◼ ► know you know they are they are the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4222">TS</a>]
01:10:23 ◼ ► custom part from Intel and that's just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4223">TS</a>]
01:10:25 ◼ ► how the how the clock speeds bend out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4225">TS</a>]
01:10:27 ◼ ► for these chips one of the things they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4227">TS</a>]
01:10:29 ◼ ► wanted to make sure of is that all of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4229">TS</a>]
01:10:31 ◼ ► the processors that are available in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4231">TS</a>]
01:10:37 ◼ ► processing capacity these are the new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4237">TS</a>]
01:10:39 ◼ ► instructions that are I think new to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4239">TS</a>]
01:10:41 ◼ ► these chips or at least a new to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4241">TS</a>]
01:10:42 ◼ ► current generation of Zeon's these are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4242">TS</a>]
01:10:47 ◼ ► instructions for certain types of math [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4247">TS</a>]
01:10:49 ◼ ► that can be very well optimized some of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4249">TS</a>]
01:10:51 ◼ ► the Zeon's that are in this family only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4251">TS</a>]
01:10:53 ◼ ► have one compute unit the high-end ones [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4253">TS</a>]
01:10:56 ◼ ► have two Apple made sure that all of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4256">TS</a>]
01:10:58 ◼ ► theirs have to that being said I looked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4258">TS</a>]
01:11:02 ◼ ► at the specs for the corresponding parts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4262">TS</a>]
01:11:04 ◼ ► that are slightly higher clocked and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4264">TS</a>]
01:11:05 ◼ ► they have to also so I'm not entirely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4265">TS</a>]
01:11:08 ◼ ► what that means right now that could be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4268">TS</a>]
01:11:10 ◼ ► it could have been a later change in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4270">TS</a>]
01:11:11 ◼ ► in the release cycle for Intel where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4271">TS</a>]
01:11:14 ◼ ► they decided to put two on those or it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4274">TS</a>]
01:11:15 ◼ ► could have been referencing different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4275">TS</a>]
01:11:16 ◼ ► parts they could have used but didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4276">TS</a>]
01:11:17 ◼ ► but the important thing that I got from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4277">TS</a>]
01:11:20 ◼ ► the call is that they didn't see see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4280">TS</a>]
01:11:22 ◼ ► this has an artificial lowering of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4282">TS</a>]
01:11:24 ◼ ► clock speed this is just how they were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4284">TS</a>]
01:11:25 ◼ ► bent out for their custom part and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4285">TS</a>]
01:11:27 ◼ ► made sure their custom parts all had the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4287">TS</a>]
01:11:29 ◼ ► same avx-512 dual processing units so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4289">TS</a>]
01:11:33 ◼ ► let's custom about them besides the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4293">TS</a>]
01:11:35 ◼ ► besides the AVX stuff I don't know I can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4295">TS</a>]
01:11:38 ◼ ► ask them I mean that you know they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4298">TS</a>]
01:11:39 ◼ ► they're friendly they'll probably answer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4299">TS</a>]
01:11:41 ◼ ► an email if I ask them so I think our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4301">TS</a>]
01:11:45 ◼ ► concerns about the thermals are probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4305">TS</a>]
01:11:47 ◼ ► unwarranted because what I heard from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4307">TS</a>]
01:11:50 ◼ ► them which confirms what I heard from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4310">TS</a>]
01:11:52 ◼ ► other people who were at their demos or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4312">TS</a>]
01:11:54 ◼ ► who've had a review units so far it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4314">TS</a>]
01:11:57 ◼ ► sounds like there is a lot of thermal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4317">TS</a>]
01:11:59 ◼ ► Headroom they had certain demos at these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4319">TS</a>]
01:12:03 ◼ ► events that were running on loops all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4323">TS</a>]
01:12:05 ◼ ► day long that were stressing all the CPU [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4325">TS</a>]
01:12:07 ◼ ► cores at like 60% or higher all the time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4327">TS</a>]
01:12:09 ◼ ► and that you couldn't even really hear [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4329">TS</a>]
01:12:16 ◼ ► thermals work out in this generation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4336">TS</a>]
01:12:18 ◼ ► that you can hammer the CPU is pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4338">TS</a>]
01:12:22 ◼ ► hard and you probably won't hear the fan [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4342">TS</a>]
01:12:24 ◼ ► spin up you will pretty much only hear [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4344">TS</a>]
01:12:26 ◼ ► it get loud if you're hammering the CPUs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4346">TS</a>]
01:12:28 ◼ ► and the GPUs and actually and this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4348">TS</a>]
01:12:31 ◼ ► actually is plausible to me because this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4351">TS</a>]
01:12:33 ◼ ► is actually not that different from how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4353">TS</a>]
01:12:34 ◼ ► the sky like laptops work this is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4354">TS</a>]
01:12:36 ◼ ► sky like and I and what is the ivy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4356">TS</a>]
01:12:38 ◼ ► bridge but I already forgot to forget so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4358">TS</a>]
01:12:41 ◼ ► the current laptop generation compared [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4361">TS</a>]
01:12:43 ◼ ► to the the old one that I'm still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4363">TS</a>]
01:12:44 ◼ ► holding on to is way quieter under CPU [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4364">TS</a>]
01:12:47 ◼ ► load it doesn't spin up for nearly as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4367">TS</a>]
01:12:49 ◼ ► you know as long you know and and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4369">TS</a>]
01:12:52 ◼ ► know it cools down much faster and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4372">TS</a>]
01:12:53 ◼ ► everything else so given that these are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4373">TS</a>]
01:12:55 ◼ ► the Zeon's from the skylake family that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4375">TS</a>]
01:12:56 ◼ ► actually I think makes sense that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4376">TS</a>]
01:12:59 ◼ ► believable to me and it does seem like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4379">TS</a>]
01:13:02 ◼ ► they've designed this with a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4382">TS</a>]
01:13:03 ◼ ► thermal Headroom so for the moment [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4383">TS</a>]
01:13:07 ◼ ► having not used one of these yet having [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4387">TS</a>]
01:13:08 ◼ ► our own one of these yet it does sound [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4388">TS</a>]
01:13:11 ◼ ► like they are not concerned about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4391">TS</a>]
01:13:13 ◼ ► thermals and all the demo units and all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4393">TS</a>]
01:13:15 ◼ ► the review units out there so far have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4395">TS</a>]
01:13:17 ◼ ► shown pretty awesome thermal thermal and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4397">TS</a>]
01:13:18 ◼ ► noise performance so so far it seems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4398">TS</a>]
01:13:22 ◼ ► like it might be pretty awesome on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4402">TS</a>]
01:13:23 ◼ ► thermal and heat front and therefore [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4403">TS</a>]
01:13:25 ◼ ► that also supports their position that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4405">TS</a>]
01:13:28 ◼ ► these aren't really down clocked for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4408">TS</a>]
01:13:30 ◼ ► meaningful performance reasons well you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4410">TS</a>]
01:13:32 ◼ ► keep excluding the GPU because you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4412">TS</a>]
01:13:33 ◼ ► didn't want to talk about but it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4413">TS</a>]
01:13:34 ◼ ► happen or than half of the heat in here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4414">TS</a>]
01:13:37 ◼ ► and certainly half of the equation like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4417">TS</a>]
01:13:39 ◼ ► if the if this info from is is just from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4419">TS</a>]
01:13:42 ◼ ► a listener because I don't know though [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4422">TS</a>]
01:13:43 ◼ ► the clock speeds of this Jeep unit stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4423">TS</a>]
01:13:44 ◼ ► but if if these GPUs really are at 83% [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4424">TS</a>]
01:13:46 ◼ ► of the clock speed that if you were to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4426">TS</a>]
01:13:48 ◼ ► buy the same card and put it in a PC and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4428">TS</a>]
01:13:51 ◼ ► get the fastest one like why would you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4431">TS</a>]
01:13:53 ◼ ► choose to do that if you got the thermal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4433">TS</a>]
01:13:54 ◼ ► Headroom it doesn't you know especially [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4434">TS</a>]
01:13:57 ◼ ► if it's like literally the same part [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4437">TS</a>]
01:13:58 ◼ ► down clock to not just been differently [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4438">TS</a>]
01:14:00 ◼ ► for pricing thing like I don't quite [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4440">TS</a>]
01:14:02 ◼ ► understand how that math works out so it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4442">TS</a>]
01:14:05 ◼ ► sounds like for the CPU we have some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4445">TS</a>]
01:14:07 ◼ ► good information on it and certainly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4447">TS</a>]
01:14:09 ◼ ► you've been doing things the stress of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4449">TS</a>]
01:14:10 ◼ ► CPU and it seems like there's plenty of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4450">TS</a>]
01:14:11 ◼ ► room but kind of like in the trashcan if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4451">TS</a>]
01:14:13 ◼ ► you happen to do something that uses [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4453">TS</a>]
01:14:15 ◼ ► them both at once what does that do to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4455">TS</a>]
01:14:17 ◼ ► things like you know why the explanation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4457">TS</a>]
01:14:20 ◼ ► for why the the CPUs are down clock like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4460">TS</a>]
01:14:22 ◼ ► oh that's just how they bend out and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4462">TS</a>]
01:14:23 ◼ ► maybe they had to be slower clocked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4463">TS</a>]
01:14:25 ◼ ► because they've got the two AVX units [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4465">TS</a>]
01:14:27 ◼ ► and the normal ones that size didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4467">TS</a>]
01:14:29 ◼ ► that kind of make some kind of sense [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4469">TS</a>]
01:14:30 ◼ ► right but why on the other side of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4470">TS</a>]
01:14:33 ◼ ► case where the other fan is blowing into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4473">TS</a>]
01:14:36 ◼ ► you know what it likes when both hands [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4476">TS</a>]
01:14:37 ◼ ► are rolling through the same heatsink [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4477">TS</a>]
01:14:38 ◼ ► but anyway on the other side of the case [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4478">TS</a>]
01:14:39 ◼ ► where the GPU is why if that if that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4479">TS</a>]
01:14:43 ◼ ► stuff actually has clocked down and by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4483">TS</a>]
01:14:44 ◼ ► the way if you're if you know the exact [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4484">TS</a>]
01:14:46 ◼ ► clock speeds of like the the GPUs CPU [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4486">TS</a>]
01:14:49 ◼ ► and memory buses please send it to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4489">TS</a>]
01:14:51 ◼ ► show like that doesn't match up with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4491">TS</a>]
01:14:55 ◼ ► idea that there's plenty of thermal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4495">TS</a>]
01:14:57 ◼ ► Headroom because especially like on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4497">TS</a>]
01:14:59 ◼ ► high end part why wouldn't you run those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4499">TS</a>]
01:15:03 ◼ ► honestly I again I just I don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4503">TS</a>]
01:15:04 ◼ ► whether they're whether from at full [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4504">TS</a>]
01:15:06 ◼ ► speed or not I I will say they're like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4506">TS</a>]
01:15:08 ◼ ► you know they didn't nothing they said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4508">TS</a>]
01:15:10 ◼ ► indicated that it couldn't handle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4510">TS</a>]
01:15:11 ◼ ► stressing both the CPU and GPU just that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4511">TS</a>]
01:15:14 ◼ ► you'd be more likely to hear it yeah I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4514">TS</a>]
01:15:16 ◼ ► don't know I would imagine the demos [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4516">TS</a>]
01:15:17 ◼ ► that they should actually did stress [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4517">TS</a>]
01:15:18 ◼ ► both of them you know we haven't been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4518">TS</a>]
01:15:20 ◼ ► there for the demos but I think the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4520">TS</a>]
01:15:21 ◼ ► demos probably did stress both the GPU [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4521">TS</a>]
01:15:23 ◼ ► and the CPU so maybe those are a good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4523">TS</a>]
01:15:24 ◼ ► example and you know and maybe again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4524">TS</a>]
01:15:26 ◼ ► they traded the quiet for like look if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4526">TS</a>]
01:15:28 ◼ ► we if we clock this it at 83% of max [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4528">TS</a>]
01:15:31 ◼ ► speed we can just be quiet all the time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4531">TS</a>]
01:15:34 ◼ ► experience then allowing it to get noisy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4534">TS</a>]
01:15:37 ◼ ► you know for this particular case [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4537">TS</a>]
01:15:39 ◼ ► because maybe some people are using [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4539">TS</a>]
01:15:41 ◼ ► applications that are stressing both of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4541">TS</a>]
01:15:42 ◼ ► them all the time and it's not a great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4542">TS</a>]
01:15:44 ◼ ► experience for the pro Mac whose fans [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4544">TS</a>]
01:15:47 ◼ ► you can't escape by putting it under the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4547">TS</a>]
01:15:48 ◼ ► desk to be noisy like I can I can come [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4548">TS</a>]
01:15:51 ◼ ► up with all sorts of reasons why they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4551">TS</a>]
01:15:52 ◼ ► can explain this because again this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4552">TS</a>]
01:15:53 ◼ ► the the compact pearl machine it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4553">TS</a>]
01:15:56 ◼ ► it's not the Mac Pro right side Adam I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4556">TS</a>]
01:16:02 ◼ ► explanations that I could come up on on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4562">TS</a>]
01:16:04 ◼ ► my own is the right one if any you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4564">TS</a>]
01:16:07 ◼ ► and maybe III think what you know what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4567">TS</a>]
01:16:09 ◼ ► you said about kind of like hitting like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4569">TS</a>]
01:16:10 ◼ ► a constant load minimum heat performance [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4570">TS</a>]
01:16:13 ◼ ► kind of thing that might be related to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4573">TS</a>]
01:16:15 ◼ ► the way the CPUs are clocked because it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4575">TS</a>]
01:16:18 ◼ ► I think it says something that these all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4578">TS</a>]
01:16:20 ◼ ► have the same TDP so like when driven [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4580">TS</a>]
01:16:22 ◼ ► fully like at maximum all the core [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4582">TS</a>]
01:16:25 ◼ ► stressed they will all cap out at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4585">TS</a>]
01:16:27 ◼ ► same heat output at all the core counts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4587">TS</a>]
01:16:30 ◼ ► however only the bottom two chips had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4590">TS</a>]
01:16:33 ◼ ► their base clocks reduced from from the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4593">TS</a>]
01:16:36 ◼ ► Intel retail parts so maybe it really is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4596">TS</a>]
01:16:38 ◼ ► like a heat and noise thing because the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4598">TS</a>]
01:16:40 ◼ ► way turbo boost works you know that with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4600">TS</a>]
01:16:42 ◼ ► all the all modern Intel chips like if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4602">TS</a>]
01:16:44 ◼ ► it has thermal Headroom it will increase [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4604">TS</a>]
01:16:47 ◼ ► its its clock speed until it hits a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4607">TS</a>]
01:16:50 ◼ ► certain maximum that it won't go past or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4610">TS</a>]
01:16:51 ◼ ► until it starts getting too hot or until [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4611">TS</a>]
01:16:54 ◼ ► certain until like more cores get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4614">TS</a>]
01:16:56 ◼ ► engaged and then it's just it starts to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4616">TS</a>]
01:16:57 ◼ ► reduce the overall sealing on them so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4617">TS</a>]
01:16:59 ◼ ► that keeps below that threshold but it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4619">TS</a>]
01:17:01 ◼ ► doesn't ever go below the base speed and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4621">TS</a>]
01:17:04 ◼ ► what the and and the turbo clock is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4624">TS</a>]
01:17:06 ◼ ► reduced went on those two that they've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4626">TS</a>]
01:17:08 ◼ ► modified the eight and ten core they did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4628">TS</a>]
01:17:10 ◼ ► reduce the turbo boost max speed as well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4630">TS</a>]
01:17:12 ◼ ► so I don't know what that means in this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4632">TS</a>]
01:17:14 ◼ ► in this theory but by reducing the base [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4634">TS</a>]
01:17:17 ◼ ► clock it's still gonna turbo up a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4637">TS</a>]
01:17:19 ◼ ► when it's in use but it's gonna run at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4639">TS</a>]
01:17:22 ◼ ► the reduced base clock speed when it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4642">TS</a>]
01:17:24 ◼ ► not doing heavy lifting and so maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4644">TS</a>]
01:17:27 ◼ ► that is primarily there for you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4647">TS</a>]
01:17:31 ◼ ► lower noise and heat when it's most of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4651">TS</a>]
01:17:36 ◼ ► so really all of our well maybe not all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4656">TS</a>]
01:17:40 ◼ ► but a lot of our qualms from last [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4660">TS</a>]
01:17:42 ◼ ► episode may be a little premature yeah I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4662">TS</a>]
01:17:45 ◼ ► mean yeah the answer really is we don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4665">TS</a>]
01:17:47 ◼ ► no yet until until we really get these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4667">TS</a>]
01:17:49 ◼ ► machines until I get this machine but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4669">TS</a>]
01:17:53 ◼ ► although well I'll get to that in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4673">TS</a>]
01:17:55 ◼ ► minute but uh until I really get these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4675">TS</a>]
01:17:57 ◼ ► machines we really can't be incredibly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4677">TS</a>]
01:18:00 ◼ ► I am hopeful now with you know after [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4680">TS</a>]
01:18:03 ◼ ► having this call and also having you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4683">TS</a>]
01:18:05 ◼ ► know heard from the reviewers and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4685">TS</a>]
01:18:07 ◼ ► people who were at these events it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4687">TS</a>]
01:18:09 ◼ ► doesn't sound like there's reason to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4689">TS</a>]
01:18:10 ◼ ► concerned about the thermals yet and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4690">TS</a>]
01:18:12 ◼ ► that's pretty promising I I'm very happy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4692">TS</a>]
01:18:15 ◼ ► to hear that because that was my big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4695">TS</a>]
01:18:16 ◼ ► concern going into this it seems like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4696">TS</a>]
01:18:18 ◼ ► there's a lot of headroom and that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4698">TS</a>]
01:18:20 ◼ ► didn't need to make the case bigger and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4700">TS</a>]
01:18:23 ◼ ► make it full of holes like what john [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4703">TS</a>]
01:18:24 ◼ ► wanted so we'll see if that if that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4704">TS</a>]
01:18:26 ◼ ► actually pans out but III think it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4706">TS</a>]
01:18:28 ◼ ► plausible I asked a few more things kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4708">TS</a>]
01:18:32 ◼ ► of like side notes here on the t2 one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4712">TS</a>]
01:18:35 ◼ ► thing I thought was very interesting is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4715">TS</a>]
01:18:36 ◼ ► that it is indeed the SSD controller [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4716">TS</a>]
01:18:39 ◼ ► like it is the disk controller and in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4719">TS</a>]
01:18:42 ◼ ► all of the configurations not just the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4722">TS</a>]
01:18:45 ◼ ► four terabyte one it uses dual SSD [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4725">TS</a>]
01:18:48 ◼ ► modules and I use them parallel for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4728">TS</a>]
01:18:50 ◼ ► performance and so even if the fight [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4730">TS</a>]
01:18:52 ◼ ► even if you get the terabyte that's just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4732">TS</a>]
01:18:57 ◼ ► controlling it you know that it isn't it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4737">TS</a>]
01:19:00 ◼ ► isn't abstracted to the OS as to disks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4740">TS</a>]
01:19:02 ◼ ► the way if you just plug in like a two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4742">TS</a>]
01:19:03 ◼ ► disk enclosure without any kind of raid [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4743">TS</a>]
01:19:04 ◼ ► functionality it shows it but to this it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4744">TS</a>]
01:19:06 ◼ ► isn't like that it shows up as one disk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4746">TS</a>]
01:19:08 ◼ ► the controller shows it as one device [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4748">TS</a>]
01:19:10 ◼ ► but behind the scenes it is actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4750">TS</a>]
01:19:12 ◼ ► using two in parallel it's one of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4752">TS</a>]
01:19:14 ◼ ► reasons why they're so freaking fast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4754">TS</a>]
01:19:15 ◼ ► we got anonymous feedback about that by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4755">TS</a>]
01:19:18 ◼ ► the way about the dual module thing and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4758">TS</a>]
01:19:20 ◼ ► like I think it just what it boils down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4760">TS</a>]
01:19:21 ◼ ► to is like you just do the benchmark [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4761">TS</a>]
01:19:23 ◼ ► look at the performance it's like three [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4763">TS</a>]
01:19:24 ◼ ► gigabytes per second read and write [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4764">TS</a>]
01:19:25 ◼ ► roughly it's like it's a little bit less [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4765">TS</a>]
01:19:27 ◼ ► for right right so the debate about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4767">TS</a>]
01:19:30 ◼ ► single versus dual the feedback we got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4770">TS</a>]
01:19:32 ◼ ► is that it's not actually a dual module [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4772">TS</a>]
01:19:33 ◼ ► it's just one module that's split into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4773">TS</a>]
01:19:35 ◼ ► two bits of silicon but the bottom line [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4775">TS</a>]
01:19:36 ◼ ► is that what is it like for PCI Express [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4776">TS</a>]
01:19:39 ◼ ► Lanes going to this controller yes like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4779">TS</a>]
01:19:41 ◼ ► you you get the results you get and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4781">TS</a>]
01:19:44 ◼ ► know what whether it's because they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4784">TS</a>]
01:19:45 ◼ ► dual or it's just one good they could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4785">TS</a>]
01:19:47 ◼ ► have put it on a single chip of four [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4787">TS</a>]
01:19:49 ◼ ► different packaging reasons is that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4789">TS</a>]
01:19:51 ◼ ► are giving you the PCI Express Lanes to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4791">TS</a>]
01:19:53 ◼ ► get maximum performance out of the SSDs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4793">TS</a>]
01:19:56 ◼ ► better than any other mac essentially [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4796">TS</a>]
01:19:58 ◼ ► and did you did you ask them about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4798">TS</a>]
01:20:01 ◼ ► encryption stuff as well a little bit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4801">TS</a>]
01:20:02 ◼ ► yeah I mean I didn't have a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4802">TS</a>]
01:20:04 ◼ ► question on it because I didn't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4804">TS</a>]
01:20:05 ◼ ► enough to ask really about but yeah it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4805">TS</a>]
01:20:08 ◼ ► is certainly do it's doing all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4808">TS</a>]
01:20:09 ◼ ► encryption in hardware like in the t2 so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4809">TS</a>]
01:20:12 ◼ ► there so any so there's two different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4812">TS</a>]
01:20:14 ◼ ► types of encryption going on here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4814">TS</a>]
01:20:16 ◼ ► there's the hardware encryption kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4816">TS</a>]
01:20:17 ◼ ► like what iOS devices have where like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4817">TS</a>]
01:20:21 ◼ ► encrypted even if you're not using File [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4821">TS</a>]
01:20:23 ◼ ► Vault it is encrypted and if you take [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4823">TS</a>]
01:20:26 ◼ ► that SSD stick or whatever it is out of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4826">TS</a>]
01:20:29 ◼ ► the iMac Pro and put it in some kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4829">TS</a>]
01:20:31 ◼ ► enclosure or another I Mac Pro to try to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4831">TS</a>]
01:20:33 ◼ ► read it you won't be able to because the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4833">TS</a>]
01:20:35 ◼ ► key to decrypt it is you know secure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4835">TS</a>]
01:20:38 ◼ ► Enclave style stored on that t2 the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4838">TS</a>]
01:20:40 ◼ ► reading of the flash is tied to that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4840">TS</a>]
01:20:42 ◼ ► hardware so the only way to read the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4842">TS</a>]
01:20:45 ◼ ► data on the flash is if you can get that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4845">TS</a>]
01:20:47 ◼ ► computer to read it for you if you do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4847">TS</a>]
01:20:49 ◼ ► things like set a firmware password or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4849">TS</a>]
01:20:50 ◼ ► something obviously that's going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4850">TS</a>]
01:20:51 ◼ ► provide pretty good security on that so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4851">TS</a>]
01:20:53 ◼ ► like you so we can't boot other things I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4853">TS</a>]
01:20:54 ◼ ► actually I didn't ask too much about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4854">TS</a>]
01:20:56 ◼ ► like today like what's different now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4856">TS</a>]
01:20:59 ◼ ► with this with the new secure boot stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4859">TS</a>]
01:21:01 ◼ ► with things like firmware passwords and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4861">TS</a>]
01:21:02 ◼ ► boot options and whether it will boot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4862">TS</a>]
01:21:04 ◼ ► external media and stuff like that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4864">TS</a>]
01:21:07 ◼ ► know a lot of that has changed mostly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4867">TS</a>]
01:21:09 ◼ ► for the better it may be entirely for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4869">TS</a>]
01:21:10 ◼ ► the better so I I can't really talk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4870">TS</a>]
01:21:12 ◼ ► about VAX I don't know enough about it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4872">TS</a>]
01:21:14 ◼ ► yet so there's that level of encryption [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4874">TS</a>]
01:21:16 ◼ ► and you can also use file vault on top [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4876">TS</a>]
01:21:19 ◼ ► of that and if you do use File Vault its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4879">TS</a>]
01:21:22 ◼ ► encryption instructions are now hardware [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4882">TS</a>]
01:21:25 ◼ ► accelerated so that's not even running [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4885">TS</a>]
01:21:27 ◼ ► on the xeon it's running on the t - it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4887">TS</a>]
01:21:29 ◼ ► not taxing xeon at all alright hardware [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4889">TS</a>]
01:21:32 ◼ ► accelerated you got my you got my pet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4892">TS</a>]
01:21:35 ◼ ► accelerated instead of being executed in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4895">TS</a>]
01:21:37 ◼ ► hardware it'll be executed on hardware [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4897">TS</a>]
01:21:40 ◼ ► but there that you got the important [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4900">TS</a>]
01:21:42 ◼ ► point is that you don't have to make the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4902">TS</a>]
01:21:44 ◼ ► cpu won't be involved in this so most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4904">TS</a>]
01:21:46 ◼ ► people are speculating like you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4906">TS</a>]
01:21:48 ◼ ► that you know what performance hit do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4908">TS</a>]
01:21:50 ◼ ► you get for using encryption with HFS+ [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4910">TS</a>]
01:21:53 ◼ ► or a BFS and you could measure it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4913">TS</a>]
01:21:55 ◼ ► you know apples like it's really small [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4915">TS</a>]
01:21:56 ◼ ► or whatever I think some testing has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4916">TS</a>]
01:21:58 ◼ ► shown that the hit might actually be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4918">TS</a>]
01:21:59 ◼ ► more with a PFS than it was with a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4919">TS</a>]
01:22:01 ◼ ► better spot whether it's because a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4921">TS</a>]
01:22:05 ◼ ► theoretically well first of all you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4925">TS</a>]
01:22:10 ◼ ► we'll give you more CPU because you CPU [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4930">TS</a>]
01:22:13 ◼ ► won't be doing any encryption stuff none [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4933">TS</a>]
01:22:15 ◼ ► zero it'll all be done by the t2 which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4935">TS</a>]
01:22:17 ◼ ► is great like I like the idea of these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4937">TS</a>]
01:22:18 ◼ ► little custom coprocessors handling this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4938">TS</a>]
01:22:20 ◼ ► type of this very specific function [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4940">TS</a>]
01:22:21 ◼ ► surely they have instructions just for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4941">TS</a>]
01:22:22 ◼ ► its great the second possibility that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4942">TS</a>]
01:22:25 ◼ ► some will have the benchmark to find out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4945">TS</a>]
01:22:26 ◼ ► is okay your CPU is freed up does the T [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4946">TS</a>]
01:22:29 ◼ ► to do that encryption job faster than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4949">TS</a>]
01:22:32 ◼ ► the Xeon used to because you know it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4952">TS</a>]
01:22:33 ◼ ► dedicated type of thing if it does that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4953">TS</a>]
01:22:37 ◼ ► performance hit for enabling FileVault [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4957">TS</a>]
01:22:39 ◼ ► on an iMac Pro with the t2 and that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4959">TS</a>]
01:22:41 ◼ ► something we'll have to benchmark I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4961">TS</a>]
01:22:44 ◼ ► I'm guessing there's probably some kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4964">TS</a>]
01:22:46 ◼ ► of smart implementation detail where cuz [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4966">TS</a>]
01:22:48 ◼ ► like it's already in the t20 as the disk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4968">TS</a>]
01:22:52 ◼ ► and controller you know and doing that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4972">TS</a>]
01:22:54 ◼ ► hardware encryption the way OS devices [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4974">TS</a>]
01:22:56 ◼ ► do it's already encrypting everything in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4976">TS</a>]
01:22:59 ◼ ► and out at full speed even when firewall [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4979">TS</a>]
01:23:02 ◼ ► so I'm guessing by using File Vault [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4982">TS</a>]
01:23:06 ◼ ► you're probably just like having another [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4986">TS</a>]
01:23:08 ◼ ► mode of maybe of that same encryption or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4988">TS</a>]
01:23:10 ◼ ► having the keys combine in some way or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4990">TS</a>]
01:23:12 ◼ ► something like that I don't know the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4992">TS</a>]
01:23:14 ◼ ► details enough to say but it could be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4994">TS</a>]
01:23:15 ◼ ► and if that's the case there will be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4995">TS</a>]
01:23:16 ◼ ► zero speed hit because like it's doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4996">TS</a>]
01:23:18 ◼ ► it whether you have File Vault on or not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4998">TS</a>]
01:23:19 ◼ ► and so it's you know like this this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/4999">TS</a>]
01:23:21 ◼ ► should be borne out by the benchmarks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5001">TS</a>]
01:23:24 ◼ ► possibility this brings me back to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5004">TS</a>]
01:23:25 ◼ ► good old days of film to try media [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5005">TS</a>]
01:23:28 ◼ ► accelerator you guys don't remember that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5008">TS</a>]
01:23:30 ◼ ► but know what they're there I have it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5010">TS</a>]
01:23:32 ◼ ► very even in the early days of Mac I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5012">TS</a>]
01:23:33 ◼ ► too much maybe you were you were around [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5013">TS</a>]
01:23:35 ◼ ► for and remember the idea of Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5015">TS</a>]
01:23:40 ◼ ► to make them faster in basically magical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5020">TS</a>]
01:23:43 ◼ ► ways it's like yeah you can just take a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5023">TS</a>]
01:23:44 ◼ ► CPU and some RAM and a motherboard and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5024">TS</a>]
01:23:47 ◼ ► throw them together but the Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5027">TS</a>]
01:23:49 ◼ ► special sauce is they'll play special [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5029">TS</a>]
01:23:50 ◼ ► magic chips on there that will make your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5030">TS</a>]
01:23:51 ◼ ► Mac better this is the actual reality of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5031">TS</a>]
01:23:54 ◼ ► the t2 chip and threw down there and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5034">TS</a>]
01:23:58 ◼ ► mean even on Apple's on page like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5038">TS</a>]
01:24:01 ◼ ► addition to what we listed is image [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5041">TS</a>]
01:24:03 ◼ ► signal processing for the front-facing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5043">TS</a>]
01:24:04 ◼ ► camera audio controller of course the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5044">TS</a>]
01:24:08 ◼ ► secure Enclave the the encryption oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5048">TS</a>]
01:24:11 ◼ ► actually this is right from Apple's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5051">TS</a>]
01:24:13 ◼ ► marketing page the data in your SSD is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5053">TS</a>]
01:24:15 ◼ ► encrypted using dedicated AES Hardware [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5055">TS</a>]
01:24:16 ◼ ► with no effect on the SSDs performance [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5056">TS</a>]
01:24:18 ◼ ► it's not clear whether they're talking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5058">TS</a>]
01:24:20 ◼ ► thing but yeah they're like they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5060">TS</a>]
01:24:23 ◼ ► actually doing something that they had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5063">TS</a>]
01:24:25 ◼ ► very rarely done in the past which is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5065">TS</a>]
01:24:26 ◼ ► throw throwing a chip the chip that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5066">TS</a>]
01:24:29 ◼ ► nobody else has to their computer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5069">TS</a>]
01:24:31 ◼ ► specifically to make them perform better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5071">TS</a>]
01:24:33 ◼ ► that is a that is a great Pro feature [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5073">TS</a>]
01:24:35 ◼ ► and if it lets them like you know these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5075">TS</a>]
01:24:38 ◼ ► are things you should be able to measure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5078">TS</a>]
01:24:39 ◼ ► if it lets them go faster on benchmarks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5079">TS</a>]
01:24:43 ◼ ► because the CPU is not involved in all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5083">TS</a>]
01:24:45 ◼ ► in any of the encryption on the disk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5085">TS</a>]
01:24:46 ◼ ► stuff that's that's a clean win and if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5086">TS</a>]
01:24:49 ◼ ► the T 2 as is rumored is heavily based [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5089">TS</a>]
01:24:51 ◼ ► on an existing iPhone chip that's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5091">TS</a>]
01:24:54 ◼ ► great reuse of IP like we already did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5094">TS</a>]
01:24:57 ◼ ► the work to design this chip for their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5097">TS</a>]
01:24:58 ◼ ► flagship product you can repurpose this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5098">TS</a>]
01:25:00 ◼ ► chip and throw it in with a combination [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5100">TS</a>]
01:25:03 ◼ ► of a bunch of other stuff and maybe even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5103">TS</a>]
01:25:04 ◼ ► repurpose some software that you have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5104">TS</a>]
01:25:06 ◼ ► do say image processing from the iPhone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5106">TS</a>]
01:25:08 ◼ ► or whatever you know and maybe disk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5108">TS</a>]
01:25:11 ◼ ► controller stuff I don't know how much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5111">TS</a>]
01:25:12 ◼ ► of that is shared with the iOS devices [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5112">TS</a>]
01:25:14 ◼ ► that might be using a similar thing this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5114">TS</a>]
01:25:16 ◼ ► is a smart way to make a better faster [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5116">TS</a>]
01:25:19 ◼ ► computer and I hope the Mac Pro has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5119">TS</a>]
01:25:21 ◼ ► something just like this even though you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5121">TS</a>]
01:25:22 ◼ ► know presumably doesn't have a front [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5122">TS</a>]
01:25:24 ◼ ► facing camera or whatever and I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5124">TS</a>]
01:25:26 ◼ ► you know one of the things we said when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5126">TS</a>]
01:25:27 ◼ ► when the touch bar was launched was you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5127">TS</a>]
01:25:30 ◼ ► know this actually does show like they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5130">TS</a>]
01:25:31 ◼ ► are putting significant engineering [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5131">TS</a>]
01:25:33 ◼ ► resources into the Mac still you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5133">TS</a>]
01:25:35 ◼ ► not as much as we would like sometimes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5135">TS</a>]
01:25:36 ◼ ► but clearly like it isn't just sitting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5136">TS</a>]
01:25:39 ◼ ► around being completely neglected like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5139">TS</a>]
01:25:41 ◼ ► this wasn't this wasn't like a half [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5141">TS</a>]
01:25:42 ◼ ► update this was like a significant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5142">TS</a>]
01:25:47 ◼ ► significant new things being put into it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5147">TS</a>]
01:25:49 ◼ ► not just like a stock into a motherboard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5149">TS</a>]
01:25:50 ◼ ► and in you know stock parts so give them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5150">TS</a>]
01:25:53 ◼ ► you know full credit where credit is due [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5153">TS</a>]
01:25:55 ◼ ► like this is major engineering we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5155">TS</a>]
01:25:57 ◼ ► going into the Mac and for a long time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5157">TS</a>]
01:25:59 ◼ ► it seemed like that wasn't happening so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5159">TS</a>]
01:26:00 ◼ ► this is this is a nice you know change [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5160">TS</a>]
01:26:03 ◼ ► of the narrative and it's good to see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5163">TS</a>]
01:26:08 ◼ ► integration by the way of like getting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5168">TS</a>]
01:26:09 ◼ ► to the SSD specifically affect great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5169">TS</a>]
01:26:12 ◼ ► performance the encryption addressed for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5172">TS</a>]
01:26:14 ◼ ► free the secure Enclave this is from our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5174">TS</a>]
01:26:18 ◼ ► anonymous source again as president says [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5178">TS</a>]
01:26:22 ◼ ► they feel quite confident stating there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5182">TS</a>]
01:26:23 ◼ ► will never be a third party SSD upgrade [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5183">TS</a>]
01:26:25 ◼ ► for a t2 equipped a Mac because the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5185">TS</a>]
01:26:27 ◼ ► integration is so tight I mean maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5187">TS</a>]
01:26:29 ◼ ► it's tied down to being soldered in or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5189">TS</a>]
01:26:31 ◼ ► maybe it's tight just down to like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5191">TS</a>]
01:26:33 ◼ ► this is not something you can buy off [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5193">TS</a>]
01:26:35 ◼ ► the shelf there's tight integration [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5195">TS</a>]
01:26:36 ◼ ► between the storage and the controller [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5196">TS</a>]
01:26:38 ◼ ► and the encryption and all that other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5198">TS</a>]
01:26:39 ◼ ► stuff going on there that it is a very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5199">TS</a>]
01:26:42 ◼ ► custom solution and that is very much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5202">TS</a>]
01:26:45 ◼ ► like iOS devices where no one considers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5205">TS</a>]
01:26:48 ◼ ► you know upgrading the storage you buy a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5208">TS</a>]
01:26:50 ◼ ► 64 gig phone you're like oh I have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5210">TS</a>]
01:26:52 ◼ ► mark it upgrade it to 128 no you won't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5212">TS</a>]
01:26:53 ◼ ► like because it's so integrated into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5213">TS</a>]
01:26:55 ◼ ► like everything inside iPhone is from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5215">TS</a>]
01:26:58 ◼ ► has from day one been so tied up with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5218">TS</a>]
01:27:00 ◼ ► the whole security environment of phones [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5220">TS</a>]
01:27:02 ◼ ► and the t2 brings the Mac closer to that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5222">TS</a>]
01:27:06 ◼ ► ideal in good ways and bad we haven't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5226">TS</a>]
01:27:07 ◼ ► gotten to the secure boot stuff yet but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5227">TS</a>]
01:27:09 ◼ ► like bringing closer to the ideal of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5229">TS</a>]
01:27:15 ◼ ► Hardware attacks like this is the old [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5235">TS</a>]
01:27:16 ◼ ► adage in the world of desktop and even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5236">TS</a>]
01:27:19 ◼ ► laptop computers is physical access [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5239">TS</a>]
01:27:20 ◼ ► trumps all security even server's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5240">TS</a>]
01:27:22 ◼ ► physical access trumps all security if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5242">TS</a>]
01:27:23 ◼ ► you are physically there with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5243">TS</a>]
01:27:25 ◼ ► hardware it doesn't really matter what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5245">TS</a>]
01:27:26 ◼ ► you've done security wise because if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5246">TS</a>]
01:27:28 ◼ ► you're physically there there are so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5248">TS</a>]
01:27:29 ◼ ► many things that you can do to to own [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5249">TS</a>]
01:27:32 ◼ ► that machine right with phones the whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5252">TS</a>]
01:27:36 ◼ ► idea has been to make them resilient to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5256">TS</a>]
01:27:38 ◼ ► that old adage does physical access [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5258">TS</a>]
01:27:40 ◼ ► Trump's security here you go here's my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5260">TS</a>]
01:27:41 ◼ ► phone if Apple has done a good job it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5261">TS</a>]
01:27:43 ◼ ► should be really hard for you to get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5263">TS</a>]
01:27:44 ◼ ► anything out of it like anything at all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5264">TS</a>]
01:27:46 ◼ ► aside from you maybe like freezing the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5266">TS</a>]
01:27:49 ◼ ► thing liquid nitrogen and extracting the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5269">TS</a>]
01:27:50 ◼ ► data from RAM but even then it might be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5270">TS</a>]
01:27:52 ◼ ► encrypted like you know so anyway the t2 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5272">TS</a>]
01:27:55 ◼ ► and the associated secure boot machine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5275">TS</a>]
01:27:57 ◼ ► you're insecure and clad and all that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5277">TS</a>]
01:27:58 ◼ ► stuff are an attempt to bring the Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5278">TS</a>]
01:28:01 ◼ ► more into that direction for for good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5281">TS</a>]
01:28:04 ◼ ► and bad mostly good in terms of security [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5284">TS</a>]
01:28:07 ◼ ► but bad in terms of us as computer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5287">TS</a>]
01:28:12 ◼ ► enthusiasts who occasionally screw up on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5292">TS</a>]
01:28:13 ◼ ► their our computers have gotten used to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5293">TS</a>]
01:28:16 ◼ ► the idea that you know physical access [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5296">TS</a>]
01:28:18 ◼ ► Trump's all security is good for us when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5298">TS</a>]
01:28:20 ◼ ► we screw up when we mess up our own [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5300">TS</a>]
01:28:22 ◼ ► computers say well it's all messed up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5302">TS</a>]
01:28:24 ◼ ► but because I'm physically here in front [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5304">TS</a>]
01:28:25 ◼ ► of the computer I'm gonna plug in this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5305">TS</a>]
01:28:27 ◼ ► other driving boot from it or you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5307">TS</a>]
01:28:29 ◼ ► I'm gonna go in Target disc mode and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5309">TS</a>]
01:28:30 ◼ ► just pull the data off or whatever like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5310">TS</a>]
01:28:32 ◼ ► you're even though if hosed my OS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5312">TS</a>]
01:28:33 ◼ ► install by messing with the boot loader [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5313">TS</a>]
01:28:35 ◼ ► something we can do to save ourselves [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5315">TS</a>]
01:28:37 ◼ ► not so much with an iPhone and maybe not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5317">TS</a>]
01:28:41 ◼ ► so much with one of these iMac pros [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5321">TS</a>]
01:28:44 ◼ ► configured yeah and this was one of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5324">TS</a>]
01:28:46 ◼ ► reasons why like I would strongly advise [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5326">TS</a>]
01:28:49 ◼ ► similar to the RAM argument like don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5329">TS</a>]
01:28:52 ◼ ► assume you're gonna be able to upgrade [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5332">TS</a>]
01:28:53 ◼ ► these later you know he said like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5333">TS</a>]
01:28:55 ◼ ► we know we heard from their anonymous [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5335">TS</a>]
01:28:56 ◼ ► tip they don't they don't think that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5336">TS</a>]
01:28:57 ◼ ► it's likely that we're gonna have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5337">TS</a>]
01:28:59 ◼ ► upgradable SSDs from third parties I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5339">TS</a>]
01:29:02 ◼ ► didn't ask this during the call so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5342">TS</a>]
01:29:04 ◼ ► don't I haven't I don't have any kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5344">TS</a>]
01:29:05 ◼ ► official statement on this but I would I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5345">TS</a>]
01:29:08 ◼ ► would guess the same thing it seems very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5348">TS</a>]
01:29:10 ◼ ► likely that's gonna be the case that it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5350">TS</a>]
01:29:12 ◼ ► I don't think you're gonna see a third [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5352">TS</a>]
01:29:14 ◼ ► party t2 SSD modules and you know as we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5354">TS</a>]
01:29:18 ◼ ► briefly discussed last week I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5358">TS</a>]
01:29:20 ◼ ► think that's that different from how it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5360">TS</a>]
01:29:23 ◼ ► generations of Mac's that we've had you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5363">TS</a>]
01:29:26 ◼ ► haven't had third-party SSD modules [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5366">TS</a>]
01:29:29 ◼ ► usually at all or if they do come they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5369">TS</a>]
01:29:31 ◼ ► come like years after the machine is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5371">TS</a>]
01:29:33 ◼ ► launched and they're usually very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5373">TS</a>]
01:29:35 ◼ ► expensive because they're like custom [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5375">TS</a>]
01:29:37 ◼ ► stuff from OWCA or something like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5377">TS</a>]
01:29:41 ◼ ► order your computer with the disk base [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5381">TS</a>]
01:29:45 ◼ ► otherwise consider external expansion [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5385">TS</a>]
01:29:47 ◼ ► because internal upgrades down the road [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5387">TS</a>]
01:29:50 ◼ ► are just getting less and less likely to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5390">TS</a>]
01:29:52 ◼ ► be possible or affordable so the secure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5392">TS</a>]
01:29:55 ◼ ► boot stuff cable did a bunch of tweets [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5395">TS</a>]
01:29:57 ◼ ► about it because he got one too right do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5397">TS</a>]
01:29:59 ◼ ► you know that he's in the developer who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5399">TS</a>]
01:30:00 ◼ ► got a review unit oh yeah that's right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5400">TS</a>]
01:30:02 ◼ ► he didn't just get a call he actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5402">TS</a>]
01:30:03 ◼ ► kind of computer which is cool so he did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5403">TS</a>]
01:30:05 ◼ ► a bunch of tweets about it one of them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5405">TS</a>]
01:30:06 ◼ ► was a screenshot of a new I guess it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5406">TS</a>]
01:30:09 ◼ ► an app called startup security utility [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5409">TS</a>]
01:30:12 ◼ ► and it's where you can enable and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5412">TS</a>]
01:30:14 ◼ ► disable the firmware password but it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5414">TS</a>]
01:30:15 ◼ ► also has two little sets of radio [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5415">TS</a>]
01:30:17 ◼ ► buttons one called secure boot and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5417">TS</a>]
01:30:19 ◼ ► options are full security which I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5419">TS</a>]
01:30:22 ◼ ► know what the defaults are but the full [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5422">TS</a>]
01:30:23 ◼ ► security ensures that only the latest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5423">TS</a>]
01:30:25 ◼ ► and most secure software can be run and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5425">TS</a>]
01:30:27 ◼ ► this mode requires a network connection [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5427">TS</a>]
01:30:28 ◼ ► that software installation time I'm a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5428">TS</a>]
01:30:30 ◼ ► little bit confused about the details of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5430">TS</a>]
01:30:32 ◼ ► that because ensures that only the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5432">TS</a>]
01:30:34 ◼ ► latest and most secure software or does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5434">TS</a>]
01:30:35 ◼ ► that mean like if it's not the latest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5435">TS</a>]
01:30:36 ◼ ► software it won't boot it but it will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5436">TS</a>]
01:30:37 ◼ ► force you to do an update before leaving [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5437">TS</a>]
01:30:39 ◼ ► boot I don't know anyway medium is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5439">TS</a>]
01:30:41 ◼ ► carry requires verifiable software out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5441">TS</a>]
01:30:43 ◼ ► of boot but not the latest software so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5443">TS</a>]
01:30:45 ◼ ► you can just keep using your old OS and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5445">TS</a>]
01:30:49 ◼ ► requirement so all of our max now fall [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5449">TS</a>]
01:30:51 ◼ ► under the category as far as secure boot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5451">TS</a>]
01:30:53 ◼ ► is concerned of no security like if the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5453">TS</a>]
01:30:58 ◼ ► there's an interesting name for what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5458">TS</a>]
01:30:59 ◼ ► Apple thinks of this thing if you plug [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5459">TS</a>]
01:31:01 ◼ ► in a drive that has an OS that can boot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5461">TS</a>]
01:31:03 ◼ ► your machine it will boot right it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5463">TS</a>]
01:31:05 ◼ ► doesn't do any verification that that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5465">TS</a>]
01:31:07 ◼ ► operating system is like completely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5467">TS</a>]
01:31:08 ◼ ► valid and hasn't been rooted and it sure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5468">TS</a>]
01:31:10 ◼ ► doesn't care if it's the latest version [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5470">TS</a>]
01:31:11 ◼ ► you know you can whatever like my 2008 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5471">TS</a>]
01:31:14 ◼ ► Mac Pro what did it ship with it a ship [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5474">TS</a>]
01:31:17 ◼ ► with Snow Leopard maybe before that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5477">TS</a>]
01:31:20 ◼ ► yeah I think it shipped with Leopard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5480">TS</a>]
01:31:21 ◼ ► it'll boot Leopard right now it doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5481">TS</a>]
01:31:23 ◼ ► care that Leopard is ancient like so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5483">TS</a>]
01:31:25 ◼ ► that's what Apple considers no security [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5485">TS</a>]
01:31:26 ◼ ► and there's also an option for external [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5486">TS</a>]
01:31:28 ◼ ► boot and you can select disallow booting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5488">TS</a>]
01:31:31 ◼ ► from external media which is pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5491">TS</a>]
01:31:33 ◼ ► straightforward it's like oh you messed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5493">TS</a>]
01:31:35 ◼ ► up your computer you want to boot from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5495">TS</a>]
01:31:38 ◼ ► nope not if you have this thing set or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5498">TS</a>]
01:31:41 ◼ ► external me so a lot of the t2 stuff is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5501">TS</a>]
01:31:44 ◼ ► like you know you can make your iMac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5504">TS</a>]
01:31:46 ◼ ► much more like an iPhone or if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5506">TS</a>]
01:31:49 ◼ ► change these settings it can just be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5509">TS</a>]
01:31:51 ◼ ► like a normal Mac has always been no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5511">TS</a>]
01:31:52 ◼ ► it's clear that direction Apple wants [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5512">TS</a>]
01:31:54 ◼ ► you to go in the top items and all these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5514">TS</a>]
01:31:56 ◼ ► radio buttons are the the most secure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5516">TS</a>]
01:31:58 ◼ ► ones but there's an interesting techno [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5518">TS</a>]
01:32:02 ◼ ► to help article that I'll put a link to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5522">TS</a>]
01:32:04 ◼ ► that like what do you do if you have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5524">TS</a>]
01:32:06 ◼ ► your iMac Pro set to the most secure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5526">TS</a>]
01:32:11 ◼ ► recovery procedure kind of like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5531">TS</a>]
01:32:13 ◼ ► recovery procedure when you like screw [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5533">TS</a>]
01:32:15 ◼ ► up your phone and you know to sort of go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5535">TS</a>]
01:32:17 ◼ ► into DFU mode or whatever the recovery [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5537">TS</a>]
01:32:18 ◼ ► procedure for your iMac pro requires you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5538">TS</a>]
01:32:21 ◼ ► to have another Mac Pro and if you think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5541">TS</a>]
01:32:27 ◼ ► about it's like look you know you always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5547">TS</a>]
01:32:29 ◼ ► need some other thing to plug your thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5549">TS</a>]
01:32:31 ◼ ► into like when you put your phone in DFU [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5551">TS</a>]
01:32:33 ◼ ► mode if you don't literally have any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5553">TS</a>]
01:32:34 ◼ ► other hardware it just sits there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5554">TS</a>]
01:32:36 ◼ ► staring at you it's nothing you need [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5556">TS</a>]
01:32:38 ◼ ► some other device to connect to do in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5558">TS</a>]
01:32:40 ◼ ► the case of the Mac Pro what you need to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5560">TS</a>]
01:32:41 ◼ ► connect to do it would be kind of neat [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5561">TS</a>]
01:32:42 ◼ ► of you connected to an iPhone to recover [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5562">TS</a>]
01:32:44 ◼ ► it like it would download from the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5564">TS</a>]
01:32:45 ◼ ► internet the OS update and funnel it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5565">TS</a>]
01:32:47 ◼ ► through but anyway this is the brave new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5567">TS</a>]
01:32:49 ◼ ► world security the whole point of all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5569">TS</a>]
01:32:51 ◼ ► the secure boot software so that your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5571">TS</a>]
01:32:54 ◼ ► computer could verify that it is running [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5574">TS</a>]
01:32:56 ◼ ► like you know clean software software [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5576">TS</a>]
01:33:00 ◼ ► the you know this sort of chain of trust [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5580">TS</a>]
01:33:02 ◼ ► that each thing in the chain verifies [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5582">TS</a>]
01:33:03 ◼ ► the next thing what was it at cable had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5583">TS</a>]
01:33:09 ◼ ► encryption keys pass from the secure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5589">TS</a>]
01:33:12 ◼ ► our encryption engine unship yukine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5592">TS</a>]
01:33:13 ◼ ► never leaves the chip and allows the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5593">TS</a>]
01:33:15 ◼ ► hardware verification of the OS the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5595">TS</a>]
01:33:16 ◼ ► kernel the bootloader firmware etc and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5596">TS</a>]
01:33:18 ◼ ► each each component in turn verifies the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5598">TS</a>]
01:33:21 ◼ ► neck so it's a chain of trust starting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5601">TS</a>]
01:33:23 ◼ ► with the secure Enclave essentially so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5603">TS</a>]
01:33:25 ◼ ► that each thing each thing that runs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5605">TS</a>]
01:33:29 ◼ ► next knows that it is being kicked off [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5609">TS</a>]
01:33:31 ◼ ► from something that is secure and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5611">TS</a>]
01:33:33 ◼ ► the way the phone security works and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5613">TS</a>]
01:33:34 ◼ ► it's the way this security works and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5614">TS</a>]
01:33:38 ◼ ► like any security thing if there's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5618">TS</a>]
01:33:39 ◼ ► flaw it can be exploited to get in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5619">TS</a>]
01:33:41 ◼ ► that's how jailbreak Savoy's work like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5621">TS</a>]
01:33:43 ◼ ► you know it's not impenetrable but it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5623">TS</a>]
01:33:45 ◼ ► a far cry from the world of all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5625">TS</a>]
01:33:46 ◼ ► Mac's that we're sitting in front of now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5626">TS</a>]
01:33:48 ◼ ► which is like la dee da ba boot whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5628">TS</a>]
01:33:50 ◼ ► the heck you give them they have no idea [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5630">TS</a>]
01:33:51 ◼ ► if your operating system has been you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5631">TS</a>]
01:33:53 ◼ ► know root kitted or whatever they have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5633">TS</a>]
01:33:56 ◼ ► no idea how new it is when they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5636">TS</a>]
01:33:58 ◼ ► booting and this iMac changes all that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5638">TS</a>]
01:34:01 ◼ ► wonder a little bit like you know one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5641">TS</a>]
01:34:04 ◼ ► the problems that I have with High [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5644">TS</a>]
01:34:05 ◼ ► Sierra is that it's it's pretty buggy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5645">TS</a>]
01:34:07 ◼ ► still but yet Apple is really pushing it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5647">TS</a>]
01:34:09 ◼ ► heavily through like the auto-update [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5649">TS</a>]
01:34:10 ◼ ► mechanism and stuff like that the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5650">TS</a>]
01:34:13 ◼ ► idea that like you know to have the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5653">TS</a>]
01:34:15 ◼ ► best security you should be running the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5655">TS</a>]
01:34:17 ◼ ► latest OS is often true but not always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5657">TS</a>]
01:34:20 ◼ ► true and sometimes we're running the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5660">TS</a>]
01:34:22 ◼ ► latest OS has other downsides like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5662">TS</a>]
01:34:24 ◼ ► certain things that are that are still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5664">TS</a>]
01:34:26 ◼ ► broken or two different or that break [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5666">TS</a>]
01:34:28 ◼ ► your workflow like you know dropping [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5668">TS</a>]
01:34:29 ◼ ► support for some old app that you use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5669">TS</a>]
01:34:30 ◼ ► something like that I wonder like how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5670">TS</a>]
01:34:34 ◼ ► practice if you want to still use the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5674">TS</a>]
01:34:37 ◼ ► old OS for a while because the new one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5677">TS</a>]
01:34:39 ◼ ► isn't good enough yet or doesn't support [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5679">TS</a>]
01:34:40 ◼ ► the things you need to support yet is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5680">TS</a>]
01:34:42 ◼ ► this going to force you to upgrade [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5682">TS</a>]
01:34:43 ◼ ► unless you turn down your security to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5683">TS</a>]
01:34:45 ◼ ► the medium level I guess yeah you have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5685">TS</a>]
01:34:47 ◼ ► to change down to medium security which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5687">TS</a>]
01:34:49 ◼ ► you know it's like they're loaded terms [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5689">TS</a>]
01:34:50 ◼ ► full versus medium but for exactly the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5690">TS</a>]
01:34:52 ◼ ► reasons you stated it's great that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5692">TS</a>]
01:34:54 ◼ ► give you these options I think you don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5694">TS</a>]
01:34:55 ◼ ► have to go to no security unlike for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5695">TS</a>]
01:34:59 ◼ ► was the thing on the Mac called the ice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5699">TS</a>]
01:35:02 ◼ ► the thing that protects all your like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5702">TS</a>]
01:35:04 ◼ ► system files system integrity protection [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5704">TS</a>]
01:35:06 ◼ ► s IP yeah there we go sip that you could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5706">TS</a>]
01:35:10 ◼ ► if you need that on or off and maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5710">TS</a>]
01:35:12 ◼ ► there's some develop remote that's kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5712">TS</a>]
01:35:14 ◼ ► of in between you there but very often [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5714">TS</a>]
01:35:15 ◼ ► it's like look to use this fancy piece [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5715">TS</a>]
01:35:19 ◼ ► of software you have to disable system [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5719">TS</a>]
01:35:22 ◼ ► integrity protection and even I who am [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5722">TS</a>]
01:35:25 ◼ ► a little bit almost like ma'am really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5725">TS</a>]
01:35:27 ◼ ► makes me rethink whether I want a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5727">TS</a>]
01:35:29 ◼ ► completely disabled system integrity [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5729">TS</a>]
01:35:30 ◼ ► Riggins I like the protection the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5730">TS</a>]
01:35:32 ◼ ► additional protection and it provides [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5732">TS</a>]
01:35:35 ◼ ► additionally protection from myself [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5735">TS</a>]
01:35:37 ◼ ► screwing up my own computer by modifying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5737">TS</a>]
01:35:39 ◼ ► system files which I you know I've done [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5739">TS</a>]
01:35:41 ◼ ► in the past right so it makes me think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5741">TS</a>]
01:35:43 ◼ ► twice about doing having medium security [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5743">TS</a>]
01:35:45 ◼ ► where it requires verifiable software at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5745">TS</a>]
01:35:47 ◼ ► a boot meaning that it verifies that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5747">TS</a>]
01:35:49 ◼ ► like this is these are legit copies of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5749">TS</a>]
01:35:51 ◼ ► everything the bootloader the kernel all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5751">TS</a>]
01:35:53 ◼ ► you know everything else but does not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5753">TS</a>]
01:35:55 ◼ ► require you to have the latest software [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5755">TS</a>]
01:35:56 ◼ ► that's the mode that I think is most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5756">TS</a>]
01:36:01 ◼ ► certainly when a new release comes out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5761">TS</a>]
01:36:04 ◼ ► literally will refuse to boot until it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5764">TS</a>]
01:36:05 ◼ ► updates itself that is a behavior that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5765">TS</a>]
01:36:08 ◼ ► think Pro customers will not appreciate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5768">TS</a>]
01:36:11 ◼ ► so again I have no idea what the default [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5771">TS</a>]
01:36:13 ◼ ► is but remember you know if you get one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5773">TS</a>]
01:36:15 ◼ ► of these machines remember to use this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5775">TS</a>]
01:36:16 ◼ ► utility and pick the option that makes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5776">TS</a>]
01:36:18 ◼ ► the most sense for you I mean even if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5778">TS</a>]
01:36:22 ◼ ► only like if it refused to boot until it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5782">TS</a>]
01:36:23 ◼ ► had the latest and it literally had to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5783">TS</a>]
01:36:25 ◼ ► run the software update the High Sierra [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5785">TS</a>]
01:36:26 ◼ ► for all you know that is like causing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5786">TS</a>]
01:36:28 ◼ ► the latest version of Adobe Creative [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5788">TS</a>]
01:36:30 ◼ ► Suite not to launch right like you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5790">TS</a>]
01:36:33 ◼ ► if you're Pro machine that you used to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5793">TS</a>]
01:36:35 ◼ ► do work every day you come in one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5795">TS</a>]
01:36:37 ◼ ► morning to try to do work and it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5797">TS</a>]
01:36:38 ◼ ► oh I won't even boot until I update [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5798">TS</a>]
01:36:40 ◼ ► myself and then after it boots this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5800">TS</a>]
01:36:43 ◼ ► application that you use on this all day [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5803">TS</a>]
01:36:45 ◼ ► doesn't launch anymore because it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5805">TS</a>]
01:36:46 ◼ ► yet compatible that's not a great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5806">TS</a>]
01:36:48 ◼ ► experience so medium security sounds [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5808">TS</a>]
01:36:52 ◼ ► like a good compromise for most people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5812">TS</a>]
01:36:54 ◼ ► and disallow booting from external media [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5814">TS</a>]
01:36:56 ◼ ► like are you an environment where a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5816">TS</a>]
01:36:58 ◼ ► physical security is actually that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5818">TS</a>]
01:37:00 ◼ ► important to you or do you want the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5820">TS</a>]
01:37:01 ◼ ► option of saving your own but if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5821">TS</a>]
01:37:02 ◼ ► screw something up by plugging in an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5822">TS</a>]
01:37:04 ◼ ► external drive I feel like I would leave [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5824">TS</a>]
01:37:05 ◼ ► that on allow booting from external [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5825">TS</a>]
01:37:07 ◼ ► media but everyone's secured exposure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5827">TS</a>]
01:37:10 ◼ ► and environment is different maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5830">TS</a>]
01:37:11 ◼ ► you're working on the next Star Wars [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5831">TS</a>]
01:37:14 ◼ ► movie and it's really important that if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5834">TS</a>]
01:37:16 ◼ ► someone breaks into the office they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5836">TS</a>]
01:37:18 ◼ ► would have a really difficult time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5838">TS</a>]
01:37:20 ◼ ► getting your computer to boot from their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5840">TS</a>]
01:37:22 ◼ ► external drive and target disk mode so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5842">TS</a>]
01:37:24 ◼ ► they could copy all your precious files [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5844">TS</a>]
01:37:25 ◼ ► alright and then a couple other just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5845">TS</a>]
01:37:28 ◼ ► little tidbits that I asked about or a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5848">TS</a>]
01:37:30 ◼ ► little bits of information I've picked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5850">TS</a>]
01:37:32 ◼ ► the quick thing the PCI Express layout I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5852">TS</a>]
01:37:35 ◼ ► know this sounds really boring trust me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5855">TS</a>]
01:37:38 ◼ ► it has the GPU running on 16 lanes it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5858">TS</a>]
01:37:43 ◼ ► has two Thunderbolt controllers running [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5863">TS</a>]
01:37:44 ◼ ► on four lanes each so eight total and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5864">TS</a>]
01:37:46 ◼ ► the 10 gig Ethernet port runs on four [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5866">TS</a>]
01:37:48 ◼ ► lanes all those directions the CPU [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5868">TS</a>]
01:37:50 ◼ ► everything else including the t2 is done [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5870">TS</a>]
01:37:52 ◼ ► through the DMI which goes to what used [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5872">TS</a>]
01:37:56 ◼ ► to be called the Southbridge I think I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5876">TS</a>]
01:37:58 ◼ ► don't know if Intel still calls it the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5878">TS</a>]
01:37:59 ◼ ► Southbridge anymore it's like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5879">TS</a>]
01:38:01 ◼ ► controller on the chipset that controls [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5881">TS</a>]
01:38:03 ◼ ► like USB and all sorts of other like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5883">TS</a>]
01:38:06 ◼ ► know lower speed peripherals then like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5886">TS</a>]
01:38:09 ◼ ► the GPU the t2 is the largest bandwidth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5889">TS</a>]
01:38:14 ◼ ► consumer through that bus and the DMI [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5894">TS</a>]
01:38:18 ◼ ► bus seems to have approximately the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5898">TS</a>]
01:38:20 ◼ ► bandwidth as four PCI Express lanes and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5900">TS</a>]
01:38:24 ◼ ► benchmarks of the SSD that basically the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5904">TS</a>]
01:38:27 ◼ ► that the SSD clearly can run with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5907">TS</a>]
01:38:30 ◼ ► bandwidth of four PCI Express lanes so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5910">TS</a>]
01:38:32 ◼ ► that that does seem to be pretty good I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5912">TS</a>]
01:38:36 ◼ ► information after the call so I didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5916">TS</a>]
01:38:38 ◼ ► ask why the t2 wasn't connected to one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5918">TS</a>]
01:38:41 ◼ ► of the CPU lanes directly because the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5921">TS</a>]
01:38:43 ◼ ► CPU has 48 lanes and by my account only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5923">TS</a>]
01:38:47 ◼ ► 28 of them are being used or at least [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5927">TS</a>]
01:38:49 ◼ ► only 28 that I can account for but the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5929">TS</a>]
01:38:51 ◼ ► reason I bring this up a lot of people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5931">TS</a>]
01:38:53 ◼ ► look at this machine and they wonder why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5933">TS</a>]
01:38:56 ◼ ► do we have to pay for Zeon's why can't a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5936">TS</a>]
01:38:58 ◼ ► Pullip a cheap Tower that I want that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5938">TS</a>]
01:39:01 ◼ ► has an i7 chip in it or whatever this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5941">TS</a>]
01:39:03 ◼ ► one of the reasons I said like so the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5943">TS</a>]
01:39:05 ◼ ► the best i7 you can get in say the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5945">TS</a>]
01:39:08 ◼ ► regular iMac has 16 lanes from the CPU [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5948">TS</a>]
01:39:12 ◼ ► total this is using 28 of them this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5952">TS</a>]
01:39:16 ◼ ► shows you like if you drop down to one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5956">TS</a>]
01:39:19 ◼ ► of the consumer CPUs you would be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5959">TS</a>]
01:39:22 ◼ ► required to cut throughput or if it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5962">TS</a>]
01:39:25 ◼ ► cut possible bandwidth on some of these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5965">TS</a>]
01:39:27 ◼ ► components and maybe you won't notice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5967">TS</a>]
01:39:29 ◼ ► like some people argue well you can cut [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5969">TS</a>]
01:39:31 ◼ ► a GPU down to x8 down from x16 and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5971">TS</a>]
01:39:34 ◼ ► well yeah maybe it's fine but is it the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5974">TS</a>]
01:39:36 ◼ ► best it can be like yeah it's getting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5976">TS</a>]
01:39:38 ◼ ► late to John's argument like is that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5978">TS</a>]
01:39:40 ◼ ► best or is it fine so it is very clear [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5980">TS</a>]
01:39:43 ◼ ► that like they are using the throughput [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5983">TS</a>]
01:39:46 ◼ ► of the Xeon here and one of the reasons [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5986">TS</a>]
01:39:48 ◼ ► I was thinking about this was kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5988">TS</a>]
01:39:50 ◼ ► trying to do some research on like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5990">TS</a>]
01:39:52 ◼ ► do they have enough free PCI Express [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5992">TS</a>]
01:39:54 ◼ ► Lanes coming off the CPU in a in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5994">TS</a>]
01:39:58 ◼ ► theoretical Mac Pro that they could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5998">TS</a>]
01:40:00 ◼ ► offer multiple card slots while also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6000">TS</a>]
01:40:03 ◼ ► supporting more than one GPU with an x16 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6003">TS</a>]
01:40:07 ◼ ► connectivity Lane and the answer appears [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6007">TS</a>]
01:40:10 ◼ ► to be yes it appears to be they can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6010">TS</a>]
01:40:12 ◼ ► probably offer two x16 GPUs and still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6012">TS</a>]
01:40:17 ◼ ► have enough lanes for other stuff but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6017">TS</a>]
01:40:19 ◼ ► I'm not like I don't think they would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6019">TS</a>]
01:40:22 ◼ ► also offer additional PCI Express slots [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6022">TS</a>]
01:40:26 ◼ ► beyond maybe just those two and all this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6026">TS</a>]
01:40:30 ◼ ► was you know theoretical trying to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6030">TS</a>]
01:40:31 ◼ ► educate myself to make better Mac Pro [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6031">TS</a>]
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01:40:35 ◼ ► they're still remember when the when the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6035">TS</a>]
01:40:37 ◼ ► 5k iMac first launched at the time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6037">TS</a>]
01:40:40 ◼ ► Thunderbolt 2 was not powerful enough to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6040">TS</a>]
01:40:44 ◼ ► drive a 5k display at 60 Hertz it didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6044">TS</a>]
01:40:47 ◼ ► have enough bandwidth to drive a fico [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6047">TS</a>]
01:40:49 ◼ ► displays at 60 Hertz and Apple made a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6049">TS</a>]
01:40:52 ◼ ► presentation pointing out they had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6052">TS</a>]
01:40:53 ◼ ► developed their own timing controller or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6053">TS</a>]
01:40:55 ◼ ► t-con and they had embedded that in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6055">TS</a>]
01:40:57 ◼ ► iMac 2 to help drive the display by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6057">TS</a>]
01:41:00 ◼ ► basically multiplexing two streams [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6060">TS</a>]
01:41:02 ◼ ► together I asked if they still do that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6062">TS</a>]
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01:41:07 ◼ ► figured like you know the now things are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6067">TS</a>]
01:41:08 ◼ ► faster maybe they wouldn't need that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6068">TS</a>]
01:41:10 ◼ ► anymore but no they still do it so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6070">TS</a>]
01:41:12 ◼ ► that's useful to somebody maybe and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6072">TS</a>]
01:41:16 ◼ ► finally I asked if the Apple Care [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6076">TS</a>]
01:41:19 ◼ ► pricing is a mistake because because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6079">TS</a>]
01:41:23 ◼ ► whether you so that you know one of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6083">TS</a>]
01:41:25 ◼ ► little flukes about Apple Care pricing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6085">TS</a>]
01:41:28 ◼ ► is that book keeps flat pricing for a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6088">TS</a>]
01:41:30 ◼ ► product family so if you look at like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6090">TS</a>]
01:41:31 ◼ ► MacBook Pro the price of Apple care for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6091">TS</a>]
01:41:35 ◼ ► a two thousand dollar configuration of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6095">TS</a>]
01:41:38 ◼ ► the 15-inch MacBook Pro that's the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6098">TS</a>]
01:41:40 ◼ ► price whether you get the base model or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6100">TS</a>]
01:41:42 ◼ ► whether you spec up all the specs and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6102">TS</a>]
01:41:45 ◼ ► cost like $5,000 Apple care stays the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6105">TS</a>]
01:41:48 ◼ ► same price because it's just the price [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6108">TS</a>]
01:41:49 ◼ ► that of what it is for MacBook Pro the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6109">TS</a>]
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01:42:09 ◼ ► and sixty nine dollars and when I when I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6129">TS</a>]
01:42:12 ◼ ► ordered this like it you know it shows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6132">TS</a>]
01:42:13 ◼ ► you like on the second page it shows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6133">TS</a>]
01:42:15 ◼ ► like the order screen of like you do you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6135">TS</a>]
01:42:16 ◼ ► want to add the applicator your I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6136">TS</a>]
01:42:17 ◼ ► thought it was a mistake I'm like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6137">TS</a>]
01:42:19 ◼ ► there's no way that like a ten thousand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6139">TS</a>]
01:42:21 ◼ ► dollar configuration of this computer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6141">TS</a>]
01:42:23 ◼ ► that Apple care is under $200 there's no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6143">TS</a>]
01:42:26 ◼ ► way but it turns out that is not a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6146">TS</a>]
01:42:29 ◼ ► that's just what it costs so this is one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6149">TS</a>]
01:42:32 ◼ ► of those things I I say like I buy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6152">TS</a>]
01:42:34 ◼ ► applique selectively based on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6154">TS</a>]
01:42:36 ◼ ► economics involved in each decision I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6156">TS</a>]
01:42:38 ◼ ► would definitely recommend Bucky iMac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6158">TS</a>]
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01:42:44 ◼ ► really expensive parts if you ever need [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6164">TS</a>]
01:42:45 ◼ ► to get them serviced you know I would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6165">TS</a>]
01:42:47 ◼ ► assume that that servicing this is going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6167">TS</a>]
01:42:50 ◼ ► components are more advanced and higher [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6170">TS</a>]
01:42:52 ◼ ► higher and and will cost more and be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6172">TS</a>]
01:42:54 ◼ ► that is such a cheap price for Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6174">TS</a>]
01:42:57 ◼ ► care relative to the cost of the machine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6177">TS</a>]
01:42:59 ◼ ► that it seems like an exceptionally good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6179">TS</a>]
01:43:01 ◼ ► deal in this case one thing about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6181">TS</a>]
01:43:06 ◼ ► cheesegrater days maybe all the cheese I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6186">TS</a>]
01:43:09 ◼ ► think they they had like one good slot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6189">TS</a>]
01:43:11 ◼ ► for your good card and then one slot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6191">TS</a>]
01:43:14 ◼ ► with like half the number of lanes but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6194">TS</a>]
01:43:16 ◼ ► for the purposes of in those days put [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6196">TS</a>]
01:43:20 ◼ ► the purposes of having like a crossfire [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6200">TS</a>]
01:43:21 ◼ ► duel GPUs for games and stuff like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6201">TS</a>]
01:43:24 ◼ ► most games could get by with eight lanes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6204">TS</a>]
01:43:26 ◼ ► instead of sixteen so you'd put one card [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6206">TS</a>]
01:43:28 ◼ ► in the sixteen one card in the eight but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6208">TS</a>]
01:43:29 ◼ ► just run them the same speed and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6209">TS</a>]
01:43:31 ◼ ► would you know work or just having two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6211">TS</a>]
01:43:34 ◼ ► cards to have like a larger number of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6214">TS</a>]
01:43:35 ◼ ► monitors back before you could drive ten [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6215">TS</a>]
01:43:37 ◼ ► thousand monitors off your laptops it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6217">TS</a>]
01:43:39 ◼ ► was a big deal to have two video cards [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6219">TS</a>]
01:43:41 ◼ ► each of which could drive two monitors [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6221">TS</a>]
01:43:42 ◼ ► and you get a big setup like that so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6222">TS</a>]
01:43:44 ◼ ► it's conceivable that a Mac Pro could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6224">TS</a>]
01:43:48 ◼ ► have one 16x slot and then a bunch of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6228">TS</a>]
01:43:51 ◼ ► slower slots somewhat you'd still put [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6231">TS</a>]
01:43:53 ◼ ► cards in especially if you just want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6233">TS</a>]
01:43:55 ◼ ► expand the number of monitors of you who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6235">TS</a>]
01:43:57 ◼ ► knows maybe you're making some weird [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6237">TS</a>]
01:43:58 ◼ ► simulation thing that needs 15 monitors [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6238">TS</a>]
01:43:59 ◼ ► right if you have enough slots it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6239">TS</a>]
01:44:02 ◼ ► doesn't matter that they're not all 16 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6242">TS</a>]
01:44:04 ◼ ► lanes you just need enough to drive a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6244">TS</a>]
01:44:05 ◼ ► monitor right so there's a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6245">TS</a>]
01:44:08 ◼ ► flexibility I continue to think that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6248">TS</a>]
01:44:10 ◼ ► card slots won't be what the Mac Pro is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6250">TS</a>]
01:44:12 ◼ ► about but who knows like you just need a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6252">TS</a>]
01:44:13 ◼ ► couple of slots to make it so much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6253">TS</a>]
01:44:15 ◼ ► better than zero slots right and and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6255">TS</a>]
01:44:18 ◼ ► would be perfectly happy if there was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6258">TS</a>]
01:44:20 ◼ ► sixteen X slot in there and then just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6260">TS</a>]
01:44:22 ◼ ► you know one or two lesser ones or even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6262">TS</a>]
01:44:24 ◼ ► zero lesser ones because all I really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6264">TS</a>]
01:44:26 ◼ ► care about is the abilities upgrade the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6266">TS</a>]
01:44:27 ◼ ► GPU but other people other people's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6267">TS</a>]
01:44:29 ◼ ► mileage may vary I do wonder about slots [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6269">TS</a>]
01:44:35 ◼ ► successfully entirely killed the market [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6275">TS</a>]
01:44:38 ◼ ► for any card you can buy to stick in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6278">TS</a>]
01:44:40 ◼ ► Mac I suppose not because a lot of PC [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6280">TS</a>]
01:44:42 ◼ ► cards will still work in there or will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6282">TS</a>]
01:44:44 ◼ ► work and there was some you know minor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6284">TS</a>]
01:44:45 ◼ ► change right but it's not as if there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6285">TS</a>]
01:44:48 ◼ ► tons and tons of cards being sold to Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6288">TS</a>]
01:44:51 ◼ ► users because what would they put them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6291">TS</a>]
01:44:52 ◼ ► in it's been many many years since Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6292">TS</a>]
01:44:54 ◼ ► has sold the computer brand new that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6294">TS</a>]
01:44:56 ◼ ► takes expansion cards PCI Express cards [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6296">TS</a>]
01:45:00 ◼ ► in them so I have to imagine if you were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6300">TS</a>]
01:45:03 ◼ ► in the market of selling whatever cards [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6303">TS</a>]
01:45:05 ◼ ► for whatever they go inside a Mac said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6305">TS</a>]
01:45:07 ◼ ► that's been a difficult market for a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6307">TS</a>]
01:45:09 ◼ ► while alright so you know that's that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6309">TS</a>]
01:45:13 ◼ ► something to watch for I like it seems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6313">TS</a>]
01:45:14 ◼ ► like there's plenty of lanes to go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6314">TS</a>]
01:45:16 ◼ ► flexibility Apple could certainly use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6316">TS</a>]
01:45:19 ◼ ► them all in the Mac Pro but it would not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6319">TS</a>]
01:45:22 ◼ ► if it turns out that even in the biggest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6322">TS</a>]
01:45:24 ◼ ► beefiest configuration of Mac Pro that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6324">TS</a>]
01:45:27 ◼ ► was actually still a couple of lanes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6327">TS</a>]
01:45:28 ◼ ► left over for something well and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6328">TS</a>]
01:45:30 ◼ ► know maybe the e GPU situation now we'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6330">TS</a>]
01:45:33 ◼ ► keep that market alive for compute cards [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6333">TS</a>]
01:45:37 ◼ ► and GPUs like I I don't expect that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6337">TS</a>]
01:45:39 ◼ ► market to come back for things like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6339">TS</a>]
01:45:40 ◼ ► video capture car like that that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6340">TS</a>]
01:45:42 ◼ ► like one of the some of the big uses of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6342">TS</a>]
01:45:44 ◼ ► PCI cards in the past have been like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6344">TS</a>]
01:45:46 ◼ ► custom high-end video capture cards [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6346">TS</a>]
01:45:48 ◼ ► certain raid controllers and stuff like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6348">TS</a>]
01:45:52 ◼ ► that like that's probably not coming [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6352">TS</a>]
01:45:53 ◼ ► back or even like putting USB 3 in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6353">TS</a>]
01:45:55 ◼ ► really old cheese grater stuff like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6355">TS</a>]
01:45:57 ◼ ► like these tiny little cards that look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6357">TS</a>]
01:45:59 ◼ ► like they're you know embarrassingly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6359">TS</a>]
01:46:01 ◼ ► small like they didn't even thinking of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6361">TS</a>]
01:46:02 ◼ ► a card slot like this there's lots of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6362">TS</a>]
01:46:05 ◼ ► things that you can do in those cards [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6365">TS</a>]
01:46:06 ◼ ► don't have to be super Mac specific [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6366">TS</a>]
01:46:08 ◼ ► thing and again it lengthen the life of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6368">TS</a>]
01:46:10 ◼ ► your computer by giving an interface [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6370">TS</a>]
01:46:12 ◼ ► that it didn't have before whatever even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6372">TS</a>]
01:46:14 ◼ ► like a 10 gig Ethernet card and a Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6374">TS</a>]
01:46:16 ◼ ► Pro didn't come with 10 gig Ethernet or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6376">TS</a>]
01:46:17 ◼ ► whatever I would guess that the the only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6377">TS</a>]
01:46:21 ◼ ► likely role of card slots in a new Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6381">TS</a>]
01:46:24 ◼ ► Pro is GPUs slash compute cards if they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6384">TS</a>]
01:46:27 ◼ ► do that I'm guessing there's a limit of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6387">TS</a>]
01:46:28 ◼ ► two slots if if for nothing else for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6388">TS</a>]
01:46:30 ◼ ► bandwidth or for just sheer size or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6390">TS</a>]
01:46:33 ◼ ► Apple being Apple not wanted to offer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6393">TS</a>]
01:46:35 ◼ ► you a ton of PCI slots cuz they view [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6395">TS</a>]
01:46:37 ◼ ► those as unnecessary slash the past [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6397">TS</a>]
01:46:39 ◼ ► slash of burden and all of those I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6399">TS</a>]
01:46:41 ◼ ► today that that would be a reasonable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6401">TS</a>]
01:46:42 ◼ ► position to take as long as you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6402">TS</a>]
01:46:44 ◼ ► support GPUs and compute cards I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6404">TS</a>]
01:46:47 ◼ ► you're okay so Casey are you still with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6407">TS</a>]
01:46:50 ◼ ► us so so now now comes the final my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6410">TS</a>]
01:46:55 ◼ ► final thought on this for this ten [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6415">TS</a>]
01:46:56 ◼ ► minute period so you know they call this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6416">TS</a>]
01:47:00 ◼ ► guy Mac Pro and John said we'll never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6420">TS</a>]
01:47:03 ◼ ► buy one I said I would never buy one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6423">TS</a>]
01:47:05 ◼ ► never recall saying like an hour ago but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6425">TS</a>]
01:47:08 ◼ ► but I do I think it's very very clear by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6428">TS</a>]
01:47:12 ◼ ► looking you know look at what this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6432">TS</a>]
01:47:14 ◼ ► machine actually is the only reason [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6434">TS</a>]
01:47:17 ◼ ► that's called iMac is because it has a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6437">TS</a>]
01:47:19 ◼ ► closed back in a screen on the front but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6439">TS</a>]
01:47:21 ◼ ► by all accounts this is a Mac Pro like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6441">TS</a>]
01:47:26 ◼ ► the reason we're talking about it so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6446">TS</a>]
01:47:27 ◼ ► much the reason we're so excited the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6447">TS</a>]
01:47:29 ◼ ► reason it's so damn fast is because it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6449">TS</a>]
01:47:31 ◼ ► a Mac Pro it's in everything but name [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6451">TS</a>]
01:47:34 ◼ ► and shape but it isn't like even the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6454">TS</a>]
01:47:37 ◼ ► shape is not that different from what we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6457">TS</a>]
01:47:38 ◼ ► had from 2013 forward one of the reasons [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6458">TS</a>]
01:47:41 ◼ ► I'm so happy about this is that we've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6461">TS</a>]
01:47:43 ◼ ► been curling for years for a Mac Pro [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6463">TS</a>]
01:47:46 ◼ ► update well they just gave us one this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6466">TS</a>]
01:47:48 ◼ ► is a Mac Pro update and it isn't exactly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6468">TS</a>]
01:47:51 ◼ ► what everybody wants like a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6471">TS</a>]
01:47:52 ◼ ► people still want the you know what a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6472">TS</a>]
01:47:53 ◼ ► what an expandable headless tower will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6473">TS</a>]
01:47:56 ◼ ► offer them and I might be one of these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6476">TS</a>]
01:47:58 ◼ ► two you know the side when it comes out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6478">TS</a>]
01:48:00 ◼ ► but I am just really excited about this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6480">TS</a>]
01:48:03 ◼ ► machine because they gave us a new Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6483">TS</a>]
01:48:05 ◼ ► Pro it's a Mac Pro period no matter what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6485">TS</a>]
01:48:08 ◼ ► they call it this is a Mac Pro and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6488">TS</a>]
01:48:11 ◼ ► that's really great I'm really excited [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6491">TS</a>]
01:48:13 ◼ ► about that I just cannot wait to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6493">TS</a>]
01:48:16 ◼ ► using a Mac Pro again even if there's an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6496">TS</a>]
01:48:18 ◼ ► extra letter in front of it see how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6498">TS</a>]
01:48:20 ◼ ► excited you are when you have to bring [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6500">TS</a>]
01:48:22 ◼ ► it in for image retention yeah well I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6502">TS</a>]
01:48:25 ◼ ► a little worried about service issues [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6505">TS</a>]
01:48:27 ◼ ► like like the most prosaic things like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6507">TS</a>]
01:48:31 ◼ ► the the guts of it all work great great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6511">TS</a>]
01:48:33 ◼ ► but it's like the the screen ends up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6513">TS</a>]
01:48:35 ◼ ► being with you know it's the all-in-one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6515">TS</a>]
01:48:36 ◼ ► factor like that if something goes wrong [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6516">TS</a>]
01:48:38 ◼ ► with it even if everything else is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6518">TS</a>]
01:48:39 ◼ ► working fine the dull thing has to go in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6519">TS</a>]
01:48:41 ◼ ► so anyway and and it's been brought up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6521">TS</a>]
01:48:43 ◼ ► by a lot of the people and I've been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6523">TS</a>]
01:48:44 ◼ ► thinking about Italy too as I sit here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6524">TS</a>]
01:48:46 ◼ ► nearly ten-year-old maunder that 5k [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6526">TS</a>]
01:48:49 ◼ ► screen in iMac is great tying it to like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6529">TS</a>]
01:48:53 ◼ ► it's going to age much more slowly than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6533">TS</a>]
01:48:54 ◼ ► the internals because it's not like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6534">TS</a>]
01:48:56 ◼ ► 5k screen is gonna be cutting edge [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6536">TS</a>]
01:48:57 ◼ ► forever say a case readings come out is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6537">TS</a>]
01:48:59 ◼ ► like oh that's stinky 5k screen but that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6539">TS</a>]
01:49:01 ◼ ► 5k screaming will be a great screen for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6541">TS</a>]
01:49:03 ◼ ► years and years and years and years like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6543">TS</a>]
01:49:05 ◼ ► you could you could keep somebody it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6545">TS</a>]
01:49:08 ◼ ► reliable and it kept working you're not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6548">TS</a>]
01:49:10 ◼ ► going to turn your nose up at that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6550">TS</a>]
01:49:15 ◼ ► revolution where we have another 5x [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6555">TS</a>]
01:49:17 ◼ ► increase in resolution because there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6557">TS</a>]
01:49:19 ◼ ► no benefit to that maybe HDR will start [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6559">TS</a>]
01:49:21 ◼ ► to make it crappy but if we got all that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6561">TS</a>]
01:49:23 ◼ ► on the desktop have like those real OLED [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6563">TS</a>]
01:49:25 ◼ ► black levels aw man that'd be great but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6565">TS</a>]
01:49:27 ◼ ► I don't that doesn't seem like it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6567">TS</a>]
01:49:28 ◼ ► happening soon wait an HDR but I say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6568">TS</a>]
01:49:31 ◼ ► because I'm sitting in front of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6571">TS</a>]
01:49:32 ◼ ► ten-year-old monitor here this monitor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6572">TS</a>]
01:49:33 ◼ ► is not retina it's not great the black [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6573">TS</a>]
01:49:36 ◼ ► levels on deter atrocious but it still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6576">TS</a>]
01:49:38 ◼ ► looks nice like my qualifier for look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6578">TS</a>]
01:49:40 ◼ ► nice especially with Apple monitors [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6580">TS</a>]
01:49:45 ◼ ► sharpness goes a long way right the fact [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6585">TS</a>]
01:49:48 ◼ ► that this is still like if I make screen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6588">TS</a>]
01:49:50 ◼ ► entirely white I can't tell there's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6590">TS</a>]
01:49:52 ◼ ► a dark splotch and a life swatch and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6592">TS</a>]
01:49:53 ◼ ► stuff like that no image retention as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6593">TS</a>]
01:49:55 ◼ ► far as I'm able to tell all the pictures [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6595">TS</a>]
01:49:57 ◼ ► are still alive looks about as good as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6597">TS</a>]
01:49:59 ◼ ► the day I got it yeah it's small but you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6599">TS</a>]
01:50:04 ◼ ► know if I wasn't me I could have been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6604">TS</a>]
01:50:06 ◼ ► using this monitor but the series of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6606">TS</a>]
01:50:07 ◼ ► Mac's right and it kind of makes me feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6607">TS</a>]
01:50:09 ◼ ► bad about I have a 27 inch Thunderbolt [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6609">TS</a>]
01:50:13 ◼ ► Display up in the attic which granted is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6613">TS</a>]
01:50:15 ◼ ► an external display but because it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6615">TS</a>]
01:50:17 ◼ ► like a thunderbolt weirdness I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6617">TS</a>]
01:50:18 ◼ ► have stuff to plug it into without a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6618">TS</a>]
01:50:20 ◼ ► dongle type adapter but I you know and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6620">TS</a>]
01:50:22 ◼ ► if I could have plugged that into my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6622">TS</a>]
01:50:23 ◼ ► current Mac and it wasn't ten years old [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6623">TS</a>]
01:50:25 ◼ ► I would have anyway all this is to say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6625">TS</a>]
01:50:28 ◼ ► that for all of the iMac pros greatness [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6628">TS</a>]
01:50:32 ◼ ► all-in-one is still an all-in-one and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6632">TS</a>]
01:50:33 ◼ ► it's great for what you want it to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6633">TS</a>]
01:50:35 ◼ ► but the all-in-one compromises are still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6635">TS</a>]
01:50:37 ◼ ► there and you have to be aware of them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6637">TS</a>]
01:50:38 ◼ ► and no matter how awesome they make the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6638">TS</a>]
01:50:39 ◼ ► internals nothing changes the stripes of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6639">TS</a>]
01:50:42 ◼ ► and all on being an all-in-one and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6642">TS</a>]
01:50:44 ◼ ► mostly I think about it because that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6644">TS</a>]
01:50:47 ◼ ► know maybe I think about it because my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6647">TS</a>]
01:50:49 ◼ ► wife's monitoring or 5k iMac was so much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6649">TS</a>]
01:50:51 ◼ ► better than the thing that I sit in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6651">TS</a>]
01:50:52 ◼ ► front of every day I'm like man I would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6652">TS</a>]
01:50:55 ◼ ► and I know that it will never happen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6655">TS</a>]
01:50:57 ◼ ► when the when the guts of that 5k iMac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6657">TS</a>]
01:50:59 ◼ ► become old and slow I can't just use it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6659">TS</a>]
01:51:03 ◼ ► as a monitor for another machine which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6663">TS</a>]
01:51:05 ◼ ► you couldn't you couldn't do with one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6665">TS</a>]
01:51:07 ◼ ► the older non red and IMAX if I recall [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6667">TS</a>]
01:51:09 ◼ ► correctly but anyway I'm like what I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6669">TS</a>]
01:51:11 ◼ ► saying is I'm looking forward to the pro [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6671">TS</a>]
01:51:12 ◼ ► display almost as much as the Mac Pro [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6672">TS</a>]
01:51:15 ◼ ► yeah I really am very excited to see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6675">TS</a>]
01:51:19 ◼ ► what that ends up being but honestly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6679">TS</a>]
01:51:21 ◼ ► like if we didn't have anything any hope [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6681">TS</a>]
01:51:25 ◼ ► of a Mac Pro coming you know if we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6685">TS</a>]
01:51:28 ◼ ► didn't have that that you know the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6688">TS</a>]
01:51:29 ◼ ► statements for Apple saying they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6689">TS</a>]
01:51:31 ◼ ► working on one if this was it if this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6691">TS</a>]
01:51:34 ◼ ► was the only thing that was gonna be the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6694">TS</a>]
01:51:36 ◼ ► new Mac Pro that's not bad it would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6696">TS</a>]
01:51:39 ◼ ► still be amazing I would still be very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6699">TS</a>]
01:51:41 ◼ ► excited I would have ordered it if that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6701">TS</a>]
01:51:43 ◼ ► was the case I would have ordered and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6703">TS</a>]
01:51:45 ◼ ► wouldn't have been too grumpy about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6705">TS</a>]
01:51:46 ◼ ► ordering got my grumpy I would have been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6706">TS</a>]
01:51:57 ◼ ► wouldn't have been that grumpy about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6717">TS</a>]
01:51:58 ◼ ► having to order this because I would you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6718">TS</a>]
01:52:00 ◼ ► know like at various times I have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6720">TS</a>]
01:52:02 ◼ ► actually consider replacing my Mac Pro [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6722">TS</a>]
01:52:04 ◼ ► with a 5k when in my darkest times and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6724">TS</a>]
01:52:06 ◼ ► it's clear that the 5k is not like a Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6726">TS</a>]
01:52:09 ◼ ► Pro any stretch of the imagination its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6729">TS</a>]
01:52:10 ◼ ► consumer CPUs it's you know like but it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6730">TS</a>]
01:52:14 ◼ ► would be you know at a certain point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6734">TS</a>]
01:52:15 ◼ ► it's a big upgrade so I would mostly be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6735">TS</a>]
01:52:18 ◼ ► complaining about why aren't you gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6738">TS</a>]
01:52:21 ◼ ► make a Mac Pro but then when it came to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6741">TS</a>]
01:52:23 ◼ ► like how have fun if you're not gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6743">TS</a>]
01:52:24 ◼ ► make a Mac Pro you're not gonna do that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6744">TS</a>]
01:52:26 ◼ ► thing I guess I'll settle for what you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6746">TS</a>]
01:52:28 ◼ ► do get in settling for the iMac Pro is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6748">TS</a>]
01:52:31 ◼ ► hell of a lot better than selling for a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6751">TS</a>]
01:52:33 ◼ ► 5k iMac so come on I mean I admire your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6753">TS</a>]
01:52:37 ◼ ► enthusiasm John I really do but both of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6757">TS</a>]
01:52:40 ◼ ► you would be going bananas maybe not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6760">TS</a>]
01:52:43 ◼ ► Marco after this phone call but up until [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6763">TS</a>]
01:52:45 ◼ ► this phone call the two of you would be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6765">TS</a>]
01:52:47 ◼ ► inconsolable about how this is BS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6767">TS</a>]
01:52:50 ◼ ► they're not taking pros seriously I want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6770">TS</a>]
01:52:53 ◼ ► expansion I want to be able to get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6773">TS</a>]
01:52:55 ◼ ► inside it that would be true but it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6775">TS</a>]
01:52:57 ◼ ► would be less about complaining about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6777">TS</a>]
01:52:59 ◼ ► the iMac probably more about complaining [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6779">TS</a>]
01:53:01 ◼ ► where is the Mac Pro and how are you you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6781">TS</a>]
01:53:03 ◼ ► know all the people you're abandoning [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6783">TS</a>]
01:53:04 ◼ ► with with a few Mac Pro I mean the whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6784">TS</a>]
01:53:07 ◼ ► thing they had the April but they we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6787">TS</a>]
01:53:08 ◼ ► don't have to do that like they they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6788">TS</a>]
01:53:09 ◼ ► change their mind everyone's all happy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6789">TS</a>]
01:53:11 ◼ ► we're just waiting patiently also like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6791">TS</a>]
01:53:13 ◼ ► lot of a lot of the a lot of those ships [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6793">TS</a>]
01:53:14 ◼ ► sail but the 2013 Mac Pro a lot like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6794">TS</a>]
01:53:17 ◼ ► lot of that was like oh you can't expand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6797">TS</a>]
01:53:18 ◼ ► anymore they kill all the slots there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6798">TS</a>]
01:53:20 ◼ ► they made it really expensive like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6800">TS</a>]
01:53:22 ◼ ► all happened when in 2013 so like we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6802">TS</a>]
01:53:24 ◼ ► would have considered that like already [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6804">TS</a>]
01:53:25 ◼ ► a lost cause yeah and I think that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6805">TS</a>]
01:53:28 ◼ ► less angry about the 2013 because I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6808">TS</a>]
01:53:30 ◼ ► think I am a lot of other people just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6810">TS</a>]
01:53:31 ◼ ► assumed okay well this is but this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6811">TS</a>]
01:53:33 ◼ ► the first one this is the first trash [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6813">TS</a>]
01:53:35 ◼ ► give him a break like they're gonna you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6815">TS</a>]
01:53:36 ◼ ► know the second and third generation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6816">TS</a>]
01:53:38 ◼ ► trash will surely be great and that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6818">TS</a>]
01:53:39 ◼ ► that was that was turned out to be a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6819">TS</a>]
01:53:43 ◼ ► mistake but but but that's why we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6823">TS</a>]
01:53:44 ◼ ► weren't like oh I don't like this 2013 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6824">TS</a>]
01:53:46 ◼ ► crash can i I didn't buy one I said this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6826">TS</a>]
01:53:48 ◼ ► is not for me I'll wait for the second [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6828">TS</a>]
01:53:50 ◼ ► or third gen you know once you couldn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6830">TS</a>]
01:53:51 ◼ ► hook a retina monitor up dude how long [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6831">TS</a>]
01:53:52 ◼ ► did we talk about that it just we made [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6832">TS</a>]
01:53:54 ◼ ► assumptions that were not founded that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6834">TS</a>]
01:53:56 ◼ ► computer would be updated I hope Marko [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6836">TS</a>]
01:53:59 ◼ ► is not correct about this Mac Pro [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6839">TS</a>]
01:54:01 ◼ ► because honestly whatever this Mac Pro [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6841">TS</a>]
01:54:03 ◼ ► is if you didn't do not have a 10 year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6843">TS</a>]
01:54:06 ◼ ► old computer like me you'd be wise to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6846">TS</a>]
01:54:08 ◼ ► wait for the second generation this one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6848">TS</a>]
01:54:10 ◼ ► but maybe you wouldn't be because if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6850">TS</a>]
01:54:12 ◼ ► Marco's theory is right and there never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6852">TS</a>]
01:54:13 ◼ ► will be a second generation this new Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6853">TS</a>]
01:54:15 ◼ ► Pro it'll be very unwise to wait for it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6855">TS</a>]
01:54:17 ◼ ► and you should just get an iMac Pro now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6857">TS</a>]
01:54:19 ◼ ► and just be happy so I don't know I I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6859">TS</a>]
01:54:22 ◼ ► have no choice I have to get the Mac Pro [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6862">TS</a>]
01:54:24 ◼ ► and it comes out it's just it's just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6864">TS</a>]
01:54:25 ◼ ► been too darn long but I worry about it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6865">TS</a>]
01:54:29 ◼ ► computer because that's not what I want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6869">TS</a>]
01:54:31 ◼ ► from it well but I mean at least if it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6871">TS</a>]
01:54:33 ◼ ► is you'll have 10 more years if it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6873">TS</a>]
01:54:36 ◼ ► doesn't have over getting GPUs or some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6876">TS</a>]
01:54:38 ◼ ► other weird thing is gonna be an octagon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6878">TS</a>]
01:54:41 ◼ ► and it'll spin this thing a rotating [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6881">TS</a>]
01:54:48 ◼ ► alright thanks to our sponsors this week [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6888">TS</a>]
01:54:51 ◼ ► Squarespace Backblaze and aftershocks I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6891">TS</a>]
01:54:57 ◼ ► now the show is over they didn't even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6897">TS</a>]
01:55:01 ◼ ► mean to begin cuz it was accidental [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6901">TS</a>]
01:55:04 ◼ ► oh it was accidental johnny research [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6904">TS</a>]
01:55:10 ◼ ► Marco and Casey wouldn't let him cuz it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6910">TS</a>]
01:55:13 ◼ ► was accidentally was accidental you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6913">TS</a>]
01:55:19 ◼ ► find the show notes at a CAS URL is esta [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6919">TS</a>]
01:55:33 ◼ ► that's Casey less ma RC o AR m and T [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6933">TS</a>]
01:55:57 ◼ ► so how is it talking to Apple it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6957">TS</a>]
01:56:01 ◼ ► pretty cool I hear you know all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6961">TS</a>]
01:56:03 ◼ ► things you said I've been here I just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6963">TS</a>]
01:56:05 ◼ ► didn't have anything to add but that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6965">TS</a>]
01:56:07 ◼ ► got to be pretty neat oh yeah it was it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6967">TS</a>]
01:56:11 ◼ ► was mostly it was just like you know an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6971">TS</a>]
01:56:13 ◼ ► honor that they decided to take their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6973">TS</a>]
01:56:15 ◼ ► time to talk to me you know like it you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6975">TS</a>]
01:56:18 ◼ ► know I wasn't talking like Tim but I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6978">TS</a>]
01:56:20 ◼ ► talking to people who matter and Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6980">TS</a>]
01:56:22 ◼ ► who have bit busy things that they could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6982">TS</a>]
01:56:24 ◼ ► be doing like you know like these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6984">TS</a>]
01:56:26 ◼ ► schedules and in the middle of this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6986">TS</a>]
01:56:27 ◼ ► launch they have to talk to a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6987">TS</a>]
01:56:29 ◼ ► people and they decided to talk to me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6989">TS</a>]
01:56:32 ◼ ► did you ask them one year if you unit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6992">TS</a>]
01:56:34 ◼ ► would arrive no I I did not I did not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6994">TS</a>]
01:56:37 ◼ ► presume that I'm getting a review in it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6997">TS</a>]
01:56:38 ◼ ► and I told them right up front cuz they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/6998">TS</a>]
01:56:40 ◼ ► asked if I were one I said yes oh said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/7000">TS</a>]
01:56:43 ◼ ► no be waiting for my review yeah but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/7003">TS</a>]
01:56:48 ◼ ► yeah so it's it's just it's mostly just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/7008">TS</a>]
01:56:50 ◼ ► an honor and and the call also just went [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/7010">TS</a>]
01:56:52 ◼ ► really well like you know it wasn't you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/7012">TS</a>]
01:56:55 ◼ ► know if you you might think talking to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/7015">TS</a>]
01:56:58 ◼ ► Apple is you know like the way Tim Cook [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/7018">TS</a>]
01:57:01 ◼ ► is in TV interviews like you know very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/7021">TS</a>]
01:57:02 ◼ ► careful reserved a little bit cold maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/7022">TS</a>]
01:57:05 ◼ ► but no it isn't like that like these are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/7025">TS</a>]
01:57:07 ◼ ► just humans who were you know on on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/7027">TS</a>]
01:57:10 ◼ ► call trying to be helpful to you trying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/7030">TS</a>]
01:57:11 ◼ ► to be friendly and again like they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/7031">TS</a>]
01:57:13 ◼ ► not gonna like let slip something about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/7033">TS</a>]
01:57:15 ◼ ► the next iPhone or anything but you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/7035">TS</a>]
01:57:18 ◼ ► you're still talking to people you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/7038">TS</a>]
01:57:19 ◼ ► not talking like a robot so it's just a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/7039">TS</a>]
01:57:21 ◼ ► nice friendly call it sounds to me like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/7041">TS</a>]
01:57:23 ◼ ► you got handled by Apple PR oh we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/7043">TS</a>]
01:57:26 ◼ ► definitely gonna have people that people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/7046">TS</a>]
01:57:28 ◼ ► you know who say that but yeah look I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/7048">TS</a>]
01:57:31 ◼ ► brought a bunch of questions to them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/7051">TS</a>]
01:57:34 ◼ ► challenging or difficult and they you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/7054">TS</a>]
01:57:37 ◼ ► know they they took them all in stride [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/7057">TS</a>]
01:57:39 ◼ ► and told me what they wanted to tell me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/7059">TS</a>]
01:57:41 ◼ ► and you know I'm not going into this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/7061">TS</a>]
01:57:43 ◼ ► saying that ever that you know because I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/7063">TS</a>]
01:57:45 ◼ ► talked to them everything's going to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/7065">TS</a>]
01:57:46 ◼ ► perfect about this computer I don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/7066">TS</a>]
01:57:49 ◼ ► but so far it seems pretty great and I I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/7069">TS</a>]
01:57:52 ◼ ► think I hope that I have been fair in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/7072">TS</a>]
01:57:54 ◼ ► representing my opinion and my thoughts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/7074">TS</a>]
01:57:57 ◼ ► here like I don't want to make it sound [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/7077">TS</a>]
01:57:59 ◼ ► like now they talk to me I'm going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/7079">TS</a>]
01:58:02 ◼ ► say everything I say only the good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/7082">TS</a>]
01:58:04 ◼ ► be brainwashed and everything else it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/7084">TS</a>]
01:58:07 ◼ ► just sounds like this is really a really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/7087">TS</a>]
01:58:08 ◼ ► good computer and I think most of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/7088">TS</a>]
01:58:10 ◼ ► early reviews bear that out we will see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/7090">TS</a>]
01:58:13 ◼ ► what happens once I get one once we get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/7093">TS</a>]
01:58:16 ◼ ► one if John ever buys one and over time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/7096">TS</a>]
01:58:19 ◼ ► we will see like either any long-term [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/7099">TS</a>]
01:58:20 ◼ ► problems that develop like reliability [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/7100">TS</a>]
01:58:22 ◼ ► issues or heat or things like that but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/7102">TS</a>]
01:58:23 ◼ ► so far it seems pretty great and from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/7103">TS</a>]
01:58:27 ◼ ► what we know so far I don't see any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/7107">TS</a>]
01:58:30 ◼ ► those problems on the horizon anymore [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/7110">TS</a>]
01:58:32 ◼ ► you know I was very concerned about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/7112">TS</a>]
01:58:34 ◼ ► thermals before between what they've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/7114">TS</a>]
01:58:37 ◼ ► said and what other people have said who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/7117">TS</a>]
01:58:39 ◼ ► have seen or used or who have one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/7119">TS</a>]
01:58:41 ◼ ► these computers that doesn't seem to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/7121">TS</a>]
01:58:43 ◼ ► a problem so maybe that's great we'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/7123">TS</a>]
01:58:46 ◼ ► find out I do hope that I'm representing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/7126">TS</a>]
01:58:49 ◼ ► these things you know fairly and that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/7129">TS</a>]
01:58:51 ◼ ► I'm not you know unreasonably biased [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/7131">TS</a>]
01:58:54 ◼ ► because they're being friendly towards [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/7134">TS</a>]
01:58:55 ◼ ► me but I don't think I am III think I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/7135">TS</a>]
01:58:57 ◼ ► being reasonable here but if I am I know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/7137">TS</a>]
01:58:59 ◼ ► you guys will tell me and if not all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/7139">TS</a>]
01:59:01 ◼ ► listeners will oh of course you are I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/7141">TS</a>]
01:59:02 ◼ ► mean you can't help but be influenced by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/7142">TS</a>]
01:59:05 ◼ ► that but you know as long as you call [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/7145">TS</a>]
01:59:07 ◼ ► out the fact that you may be influenced [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/7147">TS</a>]
01:59:09 ◼ ► by it I feel like listeners should be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/7149">TS</a>]
01:59:10 ◼ ► able to take that into account you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/7150">TS</a>]
01:59:12 ◼ ► I mean you know the other thing is like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/7152">TS</a>]
01:59:14 ◼ ► when I talk to people at Apple I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/7154">TS</a>]
01:59:18 ◼ ► pull punches and I also I'm not like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/7158">TS</a>]
01:59:22 ◼ ► super apologetic or differential or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/7162">TS</a>]
01:59:25 ◼ ► anything I just treat them as peers and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/7165">TS</a>]
01:59:28 ◼ ► part of that is because I don't have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/7168">TS</a>]
01:59:31 ◼ ► real job and I don't really have a boss [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/7171">TS</a>]
01:59:32 ◼ ► or anything and so I don't really treat [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/7172">TS</a>]
01:59:34 ◼ ► anybody like they're my boss and part of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/7174">TS</a>]
01:59:37 ◼ ► that is that as I increasingly get into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/7177">TS</a>]
01:59:41 ◼ ► my my my mid 30 is soon to be my late [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/7181">TS</a>]
01:59:44 ◼ ► 30s I just don't care anymore about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/7184">TS</a>]
01:59:46 ◼ ► anything it's the follow-up to my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/7186">TS</a>]
01:59:54 ◼ ► autobiography nobody cares but me but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/7194">TS</a>]
00:00:01 ◼ ► upside-down did you roll over in your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1">TS</a>]
00:00:05 ◼ ► Wrangler we're gonna talk about that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/5">TS</a>]
00:00:08 ◼ ► since you brought it up I guess we can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/8">TS</a>]
00:00:10 ◼ ► just start with follow-up and Quinn [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/10">TS</a>]
00:00:11 ◼ ► suddenly in the very first item and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/11">TS</a>]
00:00:12 ◼ ► follow up we have more Wrangler talks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/12">TS</a>]
00:00:13 ◼ ► you have awesome first of all I wanted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/13">TS</a>]
00:00:16 ◼ ► to publicly commend both John and Marco [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/16">TS</a>]
00:00:19 ◼ ► for for John make giving Marco the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/19">TS</a>]
00:00:23 ◼ ► the material with which to make a truly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/23">TS</a>]
00:00:25 ◼ ► hilarious pre-show and I had several [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/25">TS</a>]
00:00:27 ◼ ► people very kindly reach out to say oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/27">TS</a>]
00:00:29 ◼ ► my god John was on fire well oftentimes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/29">TS</a>]
00:00:32 ◼ ► it was John was on fire beating you up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/32">TS</a>]
00:00:34 ◼ ► but at the very least it was something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/34">TS</a>]
00:00:38 ◼ ► like firstly you brought the topic of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/38">TS</a>]
00:00:41 ◼ ► the show and said I have a problem I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/41">TS</a>]
00:00:43 ◼ ► thinking about a Wrangler you saying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/43">TS</a>]
00:00:45 ◼ ► convinced me not to get a regular and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/45">TS</a>]
00:00:51 ◼ ► saying I you know I'm into thinking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/51">TS</a>]
00:00:54 ◼ ► about you bring that but you phrased it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/54">TS</a>]
00:00:55 ◼ ► as like a problem situation like if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/55">TS</a>]
00:00:58 ◼ ► were really enthusiastic about it sound [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/58">TS</a>]
00:01:00 ◼ ► like look I've decided to make a life [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/60">TS</a>]
00:01:01 ◼ ► change I have found who I really am now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/61">TS</a>]
00:01:04 ◼ ► and who I really am is a Jeep Wrangler [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/64">TS</a>]
00:01:07 ◼ ► supportive of you as your friends can i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/67">TS</a>]
00:01:09 ◼ ► if I get a Wrangler if I end up with a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/69">TS</a>]
00:01:11 ◼ ► Wrangler can I have can I try to find a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/71">TS</a>]
00:01:13 ◼ ► license plate that's t o PL ISS no you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/73">TS</a>]
00:01:17 ◼ ► are not you are not allowed to have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/77">TS</a>]
00:01:19 ◼ ► giant list pun for the rest of your life [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/79">TS</a>]
00:01:25 ◼ ► followup with regard to oh no I got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/85">TS</a>]
00:01:27 ◼ ► distracted me I was trying to complement [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/87">TS</a>]
00:01:29 ◼ ► in you too and you've distracted me so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/89">TS</a>]
00:01:30 ◼ ► anyway so yeah Marco did a very good job [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/90">TS</a>]
00:01:32 ◼ ► editing down 30 minutes of garbage into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/92">TS</a>]
00:01:34 ◼ ► eight minutes of pure comedy gold that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/94">TS</a>]
00:01:36 ◼ ► was mostly on account of John giving [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/96">TS</a>]
00:01:38 ◼ ► Marco the raw material with which to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/98">TS</a>]
00:01:40 ◼ ► carve comedy gold out of it so thank you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/100">TS</a>]
00:01:42 ◼ ► to the two of you even though I am [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/102">TS</a>]
00:01:44 ◼ ► slightly annoyed with you now I still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/104">TS</a>]
00:01:46 ◼ ► find that conversational areas but we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/106">TS</a>]
00:01:48 ◼ ► have some follow-up about Wranglers from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/108">TS</a>]
00:01:50 ◼ ► David Crawford who writes in case you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/110">TS</a>]
00:01:52 ◼ ► can tell John that this is the guy with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/112">TS</a>]
00:01:53 ◼ ► the yellow four five eight speciali I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/113">TS</a>]
00:01:55 ◼ ► probably I hope I pronounced that right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/115">TS</a>]
00:01:57 ◼ ► I think I did anyway Quinta Fulvio [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/117">TS</a>]
00:01:59 ◼ ► yeah exactly and I can drive anything I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/119">TS</a>]
00:02:01 ◼ ► want but when I run out to the garage to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/121">TS</a>]
00:02:02 ◼ ► grab a car to run around town I jump in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/122">TS</a>]
00:02:05 ◼ ► my jeep wrangler my Jeep is heavily [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/125">TS</a>]
00:02:06 ◼ ► modified was not intended as a daily [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/126">TS</a>]
00:02:08 ◼ ► driver but I find myself driving it more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/128">TS</a>]
00:02:09 ◼ ► than anything because it's fun and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/129">TS</a>]
00:02:13 ◼ ► any thoughts John I'd buy the fun part [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/133">TS</a>]
00:02:15 ◼ ► nimble nimble yeah fair I think nimble [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/135">TS</a>]
00:02:22 ◼ ► terribly long car I believe it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/142">TS</a>]
00:02:24 ◼ ► affordable spends a lot of time on two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/144">TS</a>]
00:02:26 ◼ ► wheels it's very go here we go that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/146">TS</a>]
00:02:32 ◼ ► the thing though specifically for you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/152">TS</a>]
00:02:35 ◼ ► like it it strikes me well first of all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/155">TS</a>]
00:02:38 ◼ ► for this choice of cars if you've got a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/158">TS</a>]
00:02:42 ◼ ► neither one of those is really a great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/162">TS</a>]
00:02:47 ◼ ► regular car because you're not gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/167">TS</a>]
00:02:48 ◼ ► take your Ferrari to try to like go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/168">TS</a>]
00:02:50 ◼ ► grocery shopping and scrape the front [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/170">TS</a>]
00:02:53 ◼ ► end trying to go into a gas station or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/173">TS</a>]
00:02:54 ◼ ► whatever and a jeep like like fun cars [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/174">TS</a>]
00:02:58 ◼ ► like that whether they're fun sporty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/178">TS</a>]
00:02:59 ◼ ► cars are fun like off-roading cars [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/179">TS</a>]
00:03:01 ◼ ► they're not really fun to go on like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/181">TS</a>]
00:03:05 ◼ ► Wrangler or a Ferrari like that's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/185">TS</a>]
00:03:06 ◼ ► what they're about so it seems to me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/186">TS</a>]
00:03:09 ◼ ► that you're still as far as we can tell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/189">TS</a>]
00:03:11 ◼ ► looking for like a they call a daily [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/191">TS</a>]
00:03:13 ◼ ► driver like a car that you can use every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/193">TS</a>]
00:03:15 ◼ ► day and yeah you can use a jeep every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/195">TS</a>]
00:03:16 ◼ ► day and you could use a Ferrari everyday [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/196">TS</a>]
00:03:18 ◼ ► but they're both there's a lot of big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/198">TS</a>]
00:03:21 ◼ ► compromises with both of those things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/201">TS</a>]
00:03:23 ◼ ► and that's far you've been looking at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/203">TS</a>]
00:03:25 ◼ ► cars that are more like regular cars [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/205">TS</a>]
00:03:27 ◼ ► that also happen to have a fun side to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/207">TS</a>]
00:03:29 ◼ ► them right I don't think either one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/209">TS</a>]
00:03:32 ◼ ► these cars is a good choice for you so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/212">TS</a>]
00:03:34 ◼ ► forget about the four or five eight I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/214">TS</a>]
00:03:35 ◼ ► know that was the second one on your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/215">TS</a>]
00:03:36 ◼ ► list but yes totally within my budget I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/216">TS</a>]
00:03:41 ◼ ► don't know I just I thought it was funny [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/221">TS</a>]
00:03:43 ◼ ► nevertheless that here's someone that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/223">TS</a>]
00:03:45 ◼ ► could really drive anything and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/225">TS</a>]
00:03:47 ◼ ► chose they choose to have their Jeep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/227">TS</a>]
00:03:50 ◼ ► remember I you think I'm making the joke [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/230">TS</a>]
00:03:52 ◼ ► I don't know if that was cut or whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/232">TS</a>]
00:03:53 ◼ ► I suggested a go-kart because like it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/233">TS</a>]
00:03:55 ◼ ► it's like a it's like a fun toy to have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/235">TS</a>]
00:03:57 ◼ ► like you can you know cool around on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/237">TS</a>]
00:03:59 ◼ ► that and you know it's it's a vehicle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/239">TS</a>]
00:04:01 ◼ ► but you're not gonna bring on a roads [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/241">TS</a>]
00:04:03 ◼ ► but it's just fun right it's way more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/243">TS</a>]
00:04:04 ◼ ► fun than you would think these you're so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/244">TS</a>]
00:04:05 ◼ ► low to the ground anyone doesn't go fast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/245">TS</a>]
00:04:07 ◼ ► it feels fast and it corners and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/247">TS</a>]
00:04:09 ◼ ► know you're gonna go karts right they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/249">TS</a>]
00:04:10 ◼ ► fun and it gets that out of your system [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/250">TS</a>]
00:04:12 ◼ ► so you could just have a regular car [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/252">TS</a>]
00:04:13 ◼ ► there like works and keeps out the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/253">TS</a>]
00:04:14 ◼ ► weather and doesn't roll over and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/254">TS</a>]
00:04:17 ◼ ► safe and you know all that good stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/257">TS</a>]
00:04:19 ◼ ► fair enough all right we got to get out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/259">TS</a>]
00:04:21 ◼ ► a neutral I'm sorry let's talk about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/261">TS</a>]
00:04:22 ◼ ► iMac Pro since we're not going to do any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/262">TS</a>]
00:04:24 ◼ ► of that today we can dive right in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/264">TS</a>]
00:04:26 ◼ ► say that the iMac program upgrades and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/266">TS</a>]
00:04:29 ◼ ► this is Rene Richie I guess saying you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/269">TS</a>]
00:04:31 ◼ ► can't upgrade the RAM yourself but you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/271">TS</a>]
00:04:34 ◼ ► certified service center and they can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/274">TS</a>]
00:04:39 ◼ ► that's a Bret from Rene Richey so I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/279">TS</a>]
00:04:42 ◼ ► assuming it's true rings right from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/282">TS</a>]
00:04:44 ◼ ► Apple's mouth we you know we said that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/284">TS</a>]
00:04:46 ◼ ► nothing is upgradable meaning like if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/286">TS</a>]
00:04:48 ◼ ► you were to open it up yourself you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/288">TS</a>]
00:04:50 ◼ ► voiding your warranty or whatever blah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/290">TS</a>]
00:04:51 ◼ ► blah blah but apparently you can bring [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/291">TS</a>]
00:04:53 ◼ ► it to Apple they're all great so as far [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/293">TS</a>]
00:04:54 ◼ ► as I'm concerned I mean as Marco pointed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/294">TS</a>]
00:04:56 ◼ ► out I think and tweet replies this like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/296">TS</a>]
00:04:58 ◼ ► then you have to pay apples prices for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/298">TS</a>]
00:05:00 ◼ ► RAM which is ridiculous but at the very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/300">TS</a>]
00:05:06 ◼ ► closing the door wondering that also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/306">TS</a>]
00:05:07 ◼ ► applies to like SSDs could you take it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/307">TS</a>]
00:05:08 ◼ ► to Apple and say please take out this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/308">TS</a>]
00:05:11 ◼ ► SSD and I will pay your crazy price too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/311">TS</a>]
00:05:13 ◼ ► but have twice as big an SSD and you'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/313">TS</a>]
00:05:16 ◼ ► put it in there for me but I mean I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/316">TS</a>]
00:05:18 ◼ ► still think the best bet is to just buy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/318">TS</a>]
00:05:20 ◼ ► it how you want to configure it because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/320">TS</a>]
00:05:21 ◼ ► all these upgrade options seem like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/321">TS</a>]
00:05:23 ◼ ► they're expensive but you know this is I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/323">TS</a>]
00:05:26 ◼ ► guess this is official from Apple if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/326">TS</a>]
00:05:28 ◼ ► they're gonna do the upgrade then at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/328">TS</a>]
00:05:30 ◼ ► least that's one option available to you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/330">TS</a>]
00:05:31 ◼ ► if you don't mind the cost yeah and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/331">TS</a>]
00:05:35 ◼ ► authorized service centers so maybe you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/335">TS</a>]
00:05:38 ◼ ► could get them to do it for you with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/338">TS</a>]
00:05:40 ◼ ► third-party Ram that would be cheaper [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/340">TS</a>]
00:05:42 ◼ ► but that's a big maybe and it probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/342">TS</a>]
00:05:45 ◼ ► wouldn't be that much cheaper relatively [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/345">TS</a>]
00:05:47 ◼ ► speaking and then if you ever had to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/347">TS</a>]
00:05:48 ◼ ► send it back into Apple you know they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/348">TS</a>]
00:05:50 ◼ ► gonna see that and they're gonna you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/350">TS</a>]
00:05:54 ◼ ► problem with it or something before [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/354">TS</a>]
00:05:55 ◼ ► they'd service the machine or something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/355">TS</a>]
00:05:56 ◼ ► so like it's it's like having all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/356">TS</a>]
00:06:00 ◼ ► downside to having third-party RAM in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/360">TS</a>]
00:06:02 ◼ ► your Mac that that have been forever of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/362">TS</a>]
00:06:03 ◼ ► you know trouble with Apple servers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/363">TS</a>]
00:06:05 ◼ ► sometimes and everything else you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/365">TS</a>]
00:06:06 ◼ ► everyone's gonna blame that for any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/366">TS</a>]
00:06:08 ◼ ► problems you have but with the added [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/368">TS</a>]
00:06:10 ◼ ► complexity that you really can't get to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/370">TS</a>]
00:06:12 ◼ ► it yourself to swap it in and out and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/372">TS</a>]
00:06:14 ◼ ► probably won't be that much cheaper so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/374">TS</a>]
00:06:16 ◼ ► feel like this there's basically two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/376">TS</a>]
00:06:18 ◼ ► reasons why most people want upgradeable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/378">TS</a>]
00:06:22 ◼ ► RAM in a Mac reason number one which is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/382">TS</a>]
00:06:24 ◼ ► probably by far the most common is to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/384">TS</a>]
00:06:27 ◼ ► save money from apples somewhat inflated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/387">TS</a>]
00:06:30 ◼ ► costs and get cheaper RAM from somebody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/390">TS</a>]
00:06:32 ◼ ► else reason number two is to buy it with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/392">TS</a>]
00:06:36 ◼ ► one amount of RAM that you can like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/396">TS</a>]
00:06:38 ◼ ► and then in a few years increase the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/398">TS</a>]
00:06:40 ◼ ► amount of RAM to extend its useful life [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/400">TS</a>]
00:06:42 ◼ ► time and by that point you will probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/402">TS</a>]
00:06:45 ◼ ► have more money and also the RAM will be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/405">TS</a>]
00:06:46 ◼ ► cheaper this seems to maybe solve the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/406">TS</a>]
00:06:50 ◼ ► second one but it almost certainly won't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/410">TS</a>]
00:06:54 ◼ ► solve the first one and I feel like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/414">TS</a>]
00:06:56 ◼ ► first one is probably the more common [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/416">TS</a>]
00:06:58 ◼ ► case among people who would be following [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/418">TS</a>]
00:07:00 ◼ ► this kind of news and making this kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/420">TS</a>]
00:07:01 ◼ ► of comment so while it is nice that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/421">TS</a>]
00:07:04 ◼ ► RAM is upgradable by somebody the fact [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/424">TS</a>]
00:07:06 ◼ ► that it's not really upgradable by you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/426">TS</a>]
00:07:08 ◼ ► is it might as well be not upgradable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/428">TS</a>]
00:07:12 ◼ ► like I I'm with John I would strongly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/432">TS</a>]
00:07:14 ◼ ► suggest that you order it with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/434">TS</a>]
00:07:16 ◼ ► amount of RAM that you will want for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/436">TS</a>]
00:07:17 ◼ ► long haul if at all possible I might pro [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/437">TS</a>]
00:07:20 ◼ ► input devices I I thought we had talked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/440">TS</a>]
00:07:22 ◼ ► about this on the show very briefly but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/442">TS</a>]
00:07:24 ◼ ► you can get both the blacked-out Magic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/444">TS</a>]
00:07:28 ◼ ► Mouse and a blacked out trackpad and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/448">TS</a>]
00:07:29 ◼ ► something like 150 bucks for both or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/449">TS</a>]
00:07:31 ◼ ► there abouts I don't remember exactly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/451">TS</a>]
00:07:33 ◼ ► how much you can yeah they can figure it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/453">TS</a>]
00:07:34 ◼ ► it wasn't up when we were recording the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/454">TS</a>]
00:07:35 ◼ ► show but we speculated like Oh what do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/455">TS</a>]
00:07:38 ◼ ► you have to buy to IMAX to get both of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/458">TS</a>]
00:07:41 ◼ ► reviewer is both input devices which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/461">TS</a>]
00:07:43 ◼ ► seemed weird if that's not a thing that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/463">TS</a>]
00:07:44 ◼ ► you can buy but it totally is a thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/464">TS</a>]
00:07:45 ◼ ► you can buy yeah and I personally don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/465">TS</a>]
00:07:49 ◼ ► have any particular interest in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/469">TS</a>]
00:07:51 ◼ ► trackpad I know it works for a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/471">TS</a>]
00:07:52 ◼ ► people it's not really my cup of tea but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/472">TS</a>]
00:07:54 ◼ ► if I were to order an iMac Pro which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/474">TS</a>]
00:07:56 ◼ ► sitting here now I am not currently [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/476">TS</a>]
00:07:58 ◼ ► planning on there is zero chance that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/478">TS</a>]
00:08:01 ◼ ► would not get both devices because even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/481">TS</a>]
00:08:04 ◼ ► even if I didn't end up using either the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/484">TS</a>]
00:08:07 ◼ ► mouse or the trackpad you know that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/487">TS</a>]
00:08:09 ◼ ► you'll be able to sell that thing for a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/489">TS</a>]
00:08:10 ◼ ► billion dollars college fund series on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/490">TS</a>]
00:08:13 ◼ ► black trackpad it's you're absolutely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/493">TS</a>]
00:08:15 ◼ ► right unless there's some sort of like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/495">TS</a>]
00:08:16 ◼ ► software like DRM for lack of a better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/496">TS</a>]
00:08:19 ◼ ► phrase that that prevents them from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/499">TS</a>]
00:08:21 ◼ ► working with anything but a iMac Pro [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/501">TS</a>]
00:08:23 ◼ ► which would be ridiculous the DRM is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/503">TS</a>]
00:08:26 ◼ ► that it would crash and offend your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/506">TS</a>]
00:08:31 ◼ ► genuinely once they start showing up how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/511">TS</a>]
00:08:33 ◼ ► much the keyboard let's let how much do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/513">TS</a>]
00:08:36 ◼ ► you think let's start with Marco how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/516">TS</a>]
00:08:37 ◼ ► much do you think a key but what is it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/517">TS</a>]
00:08:39 ◼ ► the the magic extended keyboard whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/519">TS</a>]
00:08:41 ◼ ► it's called that and either pointing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/521">TS</a>]
00:08:43 ◼ ► device doesn't matter which one just one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/523">TS</a>]
00:08:45 ◼ ► pointing device how much do you think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/525">TS</a>]
00:08:46 ◼ ► that combination will go for I'm like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/526">TS</a>]
00:08:47 ◼ ► eBay or equivalent I'm guessing it goes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/527">TS</a>]
00:08:50 ◼ ► for a little above what they would cost [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/530">TS</a>]
00:08:52 ◼ ► I don't think it's gonna be a crazy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/532">TS</a>]
00:08:53 ◼ ► amount if it is and if it is a crazy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/533">TS</a>]
00:08:57 ◼ ► briefly once they are in people's hands [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/537">TS</a>]
00:08:59 ◼ ► I don't think this is gonna be a big of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/539">TS</a>]
00:09:02 ◼ ► like because these are already not cheap [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/542">TS</a>]
00:09:04 ◼ ► right they're already like the tripods [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/544">TS</a>]
00:09:05 ◼ ► 160 by itself like if you buy it at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/545">TS</a>]
00:09:08 ◼ ► retail and the keyboards I don't how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/548">TS</a>]
00:09:10 ◼ ► much keyboardist but you know and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/550">TS</a>]
00:09:12 ◼ ► mouse is is 100 I think or 80 and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/552">TS</a>]
00:09:15 ◼ ► like yeah maybe for the hundred $50 or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/555">TS</a>]
00:09:17 ◼ ► trackpad you might get 200 bucks you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/557">TS</a>]
00:09:19 ◼ ► know maybe maybe in the first week you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/559">TS</a>]
00:09:21 ◼ ► might get 250 but I wouldn't expect it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/561">TS</a>]
00:09:23 ◼ ► to be you know a bigger difference than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/563">TS</a>]
00:09:25 ◼ ► that I would think it would be more I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/565">TS</a>]
00:09:27 ◼ ► agree I don't think I don't think it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/567">TS</a>]
00:09:28 ◼ ► gonna be a big premium I was gonna say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/568">TS</a>]
00:09:30 ◼ ► like a 50-buck premium for the first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/570">TS</a>]
00:09:31 ◼ ► week and then sitting down after that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/571">TS</a>]
00:09:33 ◼ ► especially when people find out that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/573">TS</a>]
00:09:34 ◼ ► keyboard pens we got some I didn't put [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/574">TS</a>]
00:09:39 ◼ ► it in fall but we did to get a bunch of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/579">TS</a>]
00:09:40 ◼ ► feedback about that from people who had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/580">TS</a>]
00:09:43 ◼ ► bent keyboards and some people actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/583">TS</a>]
00:09:46 ◼ ► did say that as far as they're aware [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/586">TS</a>]
00:09:47 ◼ ► they got it and it was fine out of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/587">TS</a>]
00:09:49 ◼ ► box and they used it for several months [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/589">TS</a>]
00:09:50 ◼ ► and eventually the middle touches when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/590">TS</a>]
00:09:52 ◼ ► it didn't used to and to the point where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/592">TS</a>]
00:09:54 ◼ ► it starts to like spin you know I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/594">TS</a>]
00:09:56 ◼ ► know if that's from the force of typing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/596">TS</a>]
00:09:58 ◼ ► or from like heat or something but you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/598">TS</a>]
00:09:59 ◼ ► know like when if if the contact point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/599">TS</a>]
00:10:01 ◼ ► becomes the middle and the size start to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/601">TS</a>]
00:10:05 ◼ ► rotating itself that's no good and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/605">TS</a>]
00:10:09 ◼ ► happening it's happening but that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/609">TS</a>]
00:10:10 ◼ ► super weird finally people wrote in and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/610">TS</a>]
00:10:13 ◼ ► pointed out to us that we miss talking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/613">TS</a>]
00:10:15 ◼ ► about something but I'm pretty sure we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/615">TS</a>]
00:10:17 ◼ ► missed it because it didn't happen until [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/617">TS</a>]
00:10:18 ◼ ► after we recorded and that is that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/618">TS</a>]
00:10:20 ◼ ► Mac Pro not the iMac pro but the Mac Pro [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/620">TS</a>]
00:10:23 ◼ ► will be quote-unquote upgradeable and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/623">TS</a>]
00:10:26 ◼ ► this is from an apple press release it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/626">TS</a>]
00:10:28 ◼ ► reads in addition to the new iMac Pro [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/628">TS</a>]
00:10:32 ◼ ► redesigned next generation Mac Pro [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/632">TS</a>]
00:10:34 ◼ ► architected for pro customers who need [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/634">TS</a>]
00:10:36 ◼ ► the highest performance high throughput [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/636">TS</a>]
00:10:37 ◼ ► system and a modular upgradable design [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/637">TS</a>]
00:10:40 ◼ ► as well as a new high-end Pro display [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/640">TS</a>]
00:10:43 ◼ ► now this isn't really news I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/643">TS</a>]
00:10:45 ◼ ► believe but it is Apple saying yet it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/645">TS</a>]
00:10:50 ◼ ► everybody this is a thing or well will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/650">TS</a>]
00:10:53 ◼ ► be a thing maybe one day and it should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/653">TS</a>]
00:10:56 ◼ ► hopefully solve a lot of the problems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/656">TS</a>]
00:10:59 ◼ ► shouldn't say you too but in general [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/659">TS</a>]
00:11:01 ◼ ► people were complaining about and that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/661">TS</a>]
00:11:03 ◼ ► is upgradability so Marco thoughts on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/663">TS</a>]
00:11:06 ◼ ► I mean this was pretty much my fault [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/666">TS</a>]
00:11:07 ◼ ► like we you know we recorded and I had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/667">TS</a>]
00:11:09 ◼ ► said like you know be careful - you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/669">TS</a>]
00:11:11 ◼ ► taming expectations and upgradability [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/671">TS</a>]
00:11:13 ◼ ► because I thought all Apple had said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/673">TS</a>]
00:11:15 ◼ ► before that point was that it would be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/675">TS</a>]
00:11:16 ◼ ► modular not necessarily upgradable but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/676">TS</a>]
00:11:20 ◼ ► then they released this press release [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/680">TS</a>]
00:11:21 ◼ ► with the iMac Pro which I think was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/681">TS</a>]
00:11:22 ◼ ► actually earlier that day and we just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/682">TS</a>]
00:11:23 ◼ ► didn't see it that says literally a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/683">TS</a>]
00:11:26 ◼ ► modular upgradable design you can bring [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/686">TS</a>]
00:11:30 ◼ ► your pessimism back and say that that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/690">TS</a>]
00:11:32 ◼ ► just the RAM will be upgradeable there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/692">TS</a>]
00:11:33 ◼ ► always room for there's always room for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/693">TS</a>]
00:11:35 ◼ ► worry and also you know it might be a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/695">TS</a>]
00:11:38 ◼ ► situation like what I was just rapping [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/698">TS</a>]
00:11:40 ◼ ► with the I my program which is like who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/700">TS</a>]
00:11:42 ◼ ► can upgrade it is as only Apple gonna be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/702">TS</a>]
00:11:44 ◼ ► able upgrade it also what upgrades will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/704">TS</a>]
00:11:47 ◼ ► work in it will you be able to put in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/707">TS</a>]
00:11:49 ◼ ► any GPU probably not will you be able to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/709">TS</a>]
00:11:52 ◼ ► put in any Ram probably not you know any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/712">TS</a>]
00:11:54 ◼ ► disk modules probably like you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/714">TS</a>]
00:11:56 ◼ ► there's gonna be limits on what you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/716">TS</a>]
00:11:59 ◼ ► put in it but there always were there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/719">TS</a>]
00:12:02 ◼ ► were and and the but the limits have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/722">TS</a>]
00:12:04 ◼ ► increased over time with with like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/724">TS</a>]
00:12:05 ◼ ► Mac Pro towers and everything also Durst [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/725">TS</a>]
00:12:07 ◼ ► technology has moved on like you know if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/727">TS</a>]
00:12:12 ◼ ► instance like what the old ones were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/732">TS</a>]
00:12:13 ◼ ► very good about disk expansion but that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/733">TS</a>]
00:12:16 ◼ ► was also before SSDs really like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/736">TS</a>]
00:12:18 ◼ ► know the SSD revolution started right at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/738">TS</a>]
00:12:21 ◼ ► the end of the Mac Pro tower era really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/741">TS</a>]
00:12:23 ◼ ► and so you could you could put as his DS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/743">TS</a>]
00:12:26 ◼ ► into the Mac Pro tower but it was not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/746">TS</a>]
00:12:28 ◼ ► designed for them up front like it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/748">TS</a>]
00:12:30 ◼ ► kind of a hack to get them in there if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/750">TS</a>]
00:12:31 ◼ ► they weren't a PCI card and even then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/751">TS</a>]
00:12:32 ◼ ► those were kind of a hack everything was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/752">TS</a>]
00:12:34 ◼ ► about three and a half inch disks and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/754">TS</a>]
00:12:35 ◼ ► optical drives and these days if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/755">TS</a>]
00:12:37 ◼ ► designed that you could argue like well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/757">TS</a>]
00:12:39 ◼ ► it probably shouldn't include a three [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/759">TS</a>]
00:12:41 ◼ ► and a half inch disk bay at all because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/761">TS</a>]
00:12:43 ◼ ► high-end customers probably are not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/763">TS</a>]
00:12:45 ◼ ► using a lot of internal three and a half [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/765">TS</a>]
00:12:46 ◼ ► inch disks anymore so you know there's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/766">TS</a>]
00:12:49 ◼ ► lot has changed since the era of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/769">TS</a>]
00:12:51 ◼ ► upgradable tower and I don't even and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/771">TS</a>]
00:12:55 ◼ ► you can even argue for performance [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/775">TS</a>]
00:12:56 ◼ ► reasons like you wouldn't want a whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/776">TS</a>]
00:12:59 ◼ ► bunch of like just serial ata bays in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/779">TS</a>]
00:13:02 ◼ ► there because high-end SSDs are all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/782">TS</a>]
00:13:05 ◼ ► using direct-attached methods now like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/785">TS</a>]
00:13:07 ◼ ► their athlead attacks you the PCI bus [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/787">TS</a>]
00:13:09 ◼ ► and things like nvme and stuff like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/789">TS</a>]
00:13:11 ◼ ► so like there's not a lot of upgrade [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/791">TS</a>]
00:13:14 ◼ ► ability that Pro customers who are going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/794">TS</a>]
00:13:17 ◼ ► to be buying the Mac Pro are actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/797">TS</a>]
00:13:20 ◼ ► beyond I think RAM disk space but not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/800">TS</a>]
00:13:24 ◼ ► necessarily like a large amount number [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/804">TS</a>]
00:13:26 ◼ ► of physical disks and probably the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/806">TS</a>]
00:13:30 ◼ ► ding-ding-ding I don't know whether [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/810">TS</a>]
00:13:32 ◼ ► they're gonna deliver that but but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/812">TS</a>]
00:13:33 ◼ ► think GPU and RAM are the big ones and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/813">TS</a>]
00:13:35 ◼ ► this is kind of a secondary one I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/815">TS</a>]
00:13:37 ◼ ► this they can get away with especially [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/817">TS</a>]
00:13:39 ◼ ► if they have a way for you to you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/819">TS</a>]
00:13:41 ◼ ► like they can have the super high speed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/821">TS</a>]
00:13:43 ◼ ► storage but then some standard for some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/823">TS</a>]
00:13:44 ◼ ► slower bulk storage but anyway GPU is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/824">TS</a>]
00:13:46 ◼ ► the big one that's what we're talking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/826">TS</a>]
00:13:47 ◼ ► about last time GPUs keep getting faster [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/827">TS</a>]
00:13:49 ◼ ► because you can make them faster by just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/829">TS</a>]
00:13:51 ◼ ► adding more transistors you can't do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/831">TS</a>]
00:13:53 ◼ ► that with CPUs you haven't been able to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/833">TS</a>]
00:13:57 ◼ ► important to be able to to do that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/837">TS</a>]
00:14:01 ◼ ► know even even if Apple won't that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/841">TS</a>]
00:14:03 ◼ ► can do that's why you know we talked for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/843">TS</a>]
00:14:04 ◼ ► the GPS last time but more people I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/844">TS</a>]
00:14:05 ◼ ► sending more links to people showing how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/845">TS</a>]
00:14:11 ◼ ► can be the iMac pro and all sorts of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/851">TS</a>]
00:14:14 ◼ ► benchmarks if you just take a faster GPU [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/854">TS</a>]
00:14:16 ◼ ► and throw it in there and this is an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/856">TS</a>]
00:14:17 ◼ ► ancient cheese grater like how did these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/857">TS</a>]
00:14:18 ◼ ► new GPUs even working there because it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/858">TS</a>]
00:14:21 ◼ ► just it's just PCI Express right and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/861">TS</a>]
00:14:23 ◼ ► it's just a standard card slot and how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/863">TS</a>]
00:14:26 ◼ ► does the old Mac support it it supports [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/866">TS</a>]
00:14:28 ◼ ► it because then I Pro supports that an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/868">TS</a>]
00:14:29 ◼ ► apple just made generic drivers for it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/869">TS</a>]
00:14:34 ◼ ► embarrassment for Apple but it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/874">TS</a>]
00:14:35 ◼ ► Apple wants in on that action too hey [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/875">TS</a>]
00:14:38 ◼ ► we'll make a thing where you can put a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/878">TS</a>]
00:14:39 ◼ ► new GPU in and people want that machine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/879">TS</a>]
00:14:41 ◼ ► because like you know extending the life [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/881">TS</a>]
00:14:43 ◼ ► of the machine if you buy this the super [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/883">TS</a>]
00:14:45 ◼ ► expensive system that is upgradeable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/885">TS</a>]
00:14:46 ◼ ► part of what you're paying for and we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/886">TS</a>]
00:14:47 ◼ ► build into the price in some way is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/887">TS</a>]
00:14:51 ◼ ► this machine can last you a long time if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/891">TS</a>]
00:14:52 ◼ ► you're doing GPU intensive work after a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/892">TS</a>]
00:14:54 ◼ ► year or two of use you don't need to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/894">TS</a>]
00:14:55 ◼ ► throw the machine out you just take the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/895">TS</a>]
00:14:57 ◼ ► GPU out and put in one that's way faster [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/897">TS</a>]
00:14:59 ◼ ► for a couple hundred bucks and a new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/899">TS</a>]
00:15:01 ◼ ► life for your machine that's that's what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/901">TS</a>]
00:15:03 ◼ ► we all want that's the future liberals [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/903">TS</a>]
00:15:04 ◼ ► want we are sponsored this week by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/904">TS</a>]
00:15:07 ◼ ► aftershocks bone conduction headphones [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/907">TS</a>]
00:15:09 ◼ ► go to ATP aftershocks calm to learn more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/909">TS</a>]
00:15:12 ◼ ► aftershokz headphones work by bone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/912">TS</a>]
00:15:14 ◼ ► conduction this means small transducers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/914">TS</a>]
00:15:16 ◼ ► rest in front of your ears not inside or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/916">TS</a>]
00:15:19 ◼ ► around them like most headphones and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/919">TS</a>]
00:15:20 ◼ ► they send tiny vibrations that you can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/920">TS</a>]
00:15:22 ◼ ► even feel through your cheek bones [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/922">TS</a>]
00:15:28 ◼ ► completely so unlike every other kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/928">TS</a>]
00:15:30 ◼ ► headphone bone conduction leave your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/930">TS</a>]
00:15:33 ◼ ► open with nothing in them so for example [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/933">TS</a>]
00:15:36 ◼ ► this helps in comfort reasons if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/936">TS</a>]
00:15:38 ◼ ► can't wear earbuds or in-ear monitors [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/938">TS</a>]
00:15:40 ◼ ► without pain like I can't this doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/940">TS</a>]
00:15:44 ◼ ► nothing in your ear they're also really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/944">TS</a>]
00:15:46 ◼ ► great for exercising and hot weather [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/946">TS</a>]
00:15:48 ◼ ► because there's nothing covering your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/948">TS</a>]
00:15:50 ◼ ► ear so it doesn't get you all sweaty and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/950">TS</a>]
00:15:52 ◼ ► for exercising it's even better because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/952">TS</a>]
00:15:54 ◼ ► or if it starts raining because they are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/954">TS</a>]
00:15:56 ◼ ► ip55 certified for water resistance and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/956">TS</a>]
00:15:59 ◼ ► the biggest thing about these headphones [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/959">TS</a>]
00:16:01 ◼ ► the biggest thing that I think decides [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/961">TS</a>]
00:16:02 ◼ ► whether they're right for you or not is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/962">TS</a>]
00:16:04 ◼ ► because nothing is blocking your ears at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/964">TS</a>]
00:16:06 ◼ ► all you hear all the sound from the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/966">TS</a>]
00:16:09 ◼ ► world around you including what you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/969">TS</a>]
00:16:12 ◼ ► so in loud surroundings this isn't so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/972">TS</a>]
00:16:14 ◼ ► good but they are awesome if you want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/974">TS</a>]
00:16:16 ◼ ► listen to a podcast or take a phone call [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/976">TS</a>]
00:16:17 ◼ ► while doing something like walking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/977">TS</a>]
00:16:20 ◼ ► outside where you really need to hear [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/980">TS</a>]
00:16:22 ◼ ► the world around you for your own safety [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/982">TS</a>]
00:16:23 ◼ ► they're also great for practical reasons [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/983">TS</a>]
00:16:26 ◼ ► like if you want to hear the world [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/986">TS</a>]
00:16:27 ◼ ► around you whether it's your home or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/987">TS</a>]
00:16:28 ◼ ► your office or anything else and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/988">TS</a>]
00:16:30 ◼ ► want to hear like if someone knocks on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/990">TS</a>]
00:16:31 ◼ ► the door you want to know about it or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/991">TS</a>]
00:16:33 ◼ ► say your kid is sleeping upstairs they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/993">TS</a>]
00:16:34 ◼ ► wake up you want to know about that with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/994">TS</a>]
00:16:36 ◼ ► aftershocks you hear what's in the world [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/996">TS</a>]
00:16:40 ◼ ► aftershocks has two great models that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1000">TS</a>]
00:16:42 ◼ ► recommend the Trek's titanium and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1002">TS</a>]
00:16:45 ◼ ► Trek's air they're both fantastic the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1005">TS</a>]
00:16:47 ◼ ► air is the newer of the two I spend a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1007">TS</a>]
00:16:50 ◼ ► number of months with each of them and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1010">TS</a>]
00:16:51 ◼ ► you really can't go wrong the battery [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1011">TS</a>]
00:16:53 ◼ ► life is fantastic on both of them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1013">TS</a>]
00:16:55 ◼ ► they're both very comfortable very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1015">TS</a>]
00:16:56 ◼ ► lightweight the air is a little bit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1016">TS</a>]
00:16:59 ◼ ► better for comfort and weight the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1019">TS</a>]
00:17:00 ◼ ► titanium fits in a pocket better so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1020">TS</a>]
00:17:03 ◼ ► either way either way you can't go wrong [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1023">TS</a>]
00:17:05 ◼ ► there they're both wonderful so check it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1025">TS</a>]
00:17:07 ◼ ► out today go to ATP dot aftershocks com2 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1027">TS</a>]
00:17:12 ◼ ► get a good deal on a nice pair of after [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1032">TS</a>]
00:17:14 ◼ ► truck strikes titanium or Trek's air [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1034">TS</a>]
00:17:16 ◼ ► once again ATP after shocks calm thank [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1036">TS</a>]
00:17:19 ◼ ► you so much to aftershock sponsoring our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1039">TS</a>]
00:17:21 ◼ ► show as if I don't know to follow up did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1041">TS</a>]
00:17:27 ◼ ► we order anything I will start and say I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1047">TS</a>]
00:17:28 ◼ ► if not which I think I said a moment ago [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1048">TS</a>]
00:17:33 ◼ ► although if I ever see one in an Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1053">TS</a>]
00:17:35 ◼ ► store I'm gonna really have some tough [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1055">TS</a>]
00:17:37 ◼ ► thoughts because I've seen this thing at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1057">TS</a>]
00:17:39 ◼ ► wabg seen it is pretty but it's rare [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1059">TS</a>]
00:17:45 ◼ ► that I have today that I feel like is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1065">TS</a>]
00:17:49 ◼ ► something an iMac Pro would fix John did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1069">TS</a>]
00:17:51 ◼ ► you order an iMac pro it's certainly you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1071">TS</a>]
00:17:53 ◼ ► must have since this is the thing you've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1073">TS</a>]
00:17:55 ◼ ► been waiting for for years isn't it I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1075">TS</a>]
00:17:57 ◼ ► took a while for me to figure out what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1077">TS</a>]
00:17:58 ◼ ► are you even talking I like what Marco [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1078">TS</a>]
00:18:05 ◼ ► was always gonna order once I know I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1085">TS</a>]
00:18:06 ◼ ► didn't buy anything Oh Marco tell us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1086">TS</a>]
00:18:09 ◼ ► about your configuration since we all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1089">TS</a>]
00:18:10 ◼ ► know you did order one I think I ordered [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1090">TS</a>]
00:18:12 ◼ ► one what I ordered through the business [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1092">TS</a>]
00:18:17 ◼ ► rep but I haven't gotten the order [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1097">TS</a>]
00:18:19 ◼ ► confirmation email and my car has not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1099">TS</a>]
00:18:21 ◼ ► been charged and it's been four days [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1101">TS</a>]
00:18:22 ◼ ► sometimes Marco blacks out when he buys [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1102">TS</a>]
00:18:27 ◼ ► is inexplicable I'm not entirely sure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1107">TS</a>]
00:18:29 ◼ ► whether my order has actually been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1109">TS</a>]
00:18:30 ◼ ► placed or whether it fell on the floor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1110">TS</a>]
00:18:32 ◼ ► because that was a very busy day for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1112">TS</a>]
00:18:33 ◼ ► them or something I have to follow up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1113">TS</a>]
00:18:35 ◼ ► okay so if you ordered one what bill [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1115">TS</a>]
00:18:38 ◼ ► what are the highlights of what you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1118">TS</a>]
00:18:40 ◼ ► think you are like if I did it all right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1120">TS</a>]
00:18:45 ◼ ► 10 core to put this in context the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1125">TS</a>]
00:18:48 ◼ ► reason I ordered this computer is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1128">TS</a>]
00:18:50 ◼ ► TIFF wants it in six months and so she [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1130">TS</a>]
00:18:52 ◼ ► wants me to buy this now so that way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1132">TS</a>]
00:18:54 ◼ ► when when the Mac Pro comes out I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1134">TS</a>]
00:18:55 ◼ ► upgrade to that and I give her this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1135">TS</a>]
00:18:57 ◼ ► so I basically configured it for TIFF [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1137">TS</a>]
00:18:59 ◼ ► which means that I got the really big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1139">TS</a>]
00:19:02 ◼ ► SSD that was the big splurge the ten [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1142">TS</a>]
00:19:05 ◼ ► core 64 gigs of ram not 128 cuz any my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1145">TS</a>]
00:19:09 ◼ ► current what's the really big SSD the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1149">TS</a>]
00:19:11 ◼ ► four terabyte yeah for Tara what is she [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1151">TS</a>]
00:19:13 ◼ ► it for photos and stuff what she got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1153">TS</a>]
00:19:15 ◼ ► mostly photos and stuff mostly and a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1155">TS</a>]
00:19:18 ◼ ► couple of video stuff around too because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1158">TS</a>]
00:19:20 ◼ ► like you know dealing with the photos [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1160">TS</a>]
00:19:21 ◼ ► and processing them into video sometimes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1161">TS</a>]
00:19:23 ◼ ► and what what does she have like how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1163">TS</a>]
00:19:25 ◼ ► much stuff does she have now like does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1165">TS</a>]
00:19:26 ◼ ► she have more than four terabyte total [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1166">TS</a>]
00:19:28 ◼ ► storage like I you are you been you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1168">TS</a>]
00:19:29 ◼ ► buying her a computer that's like twice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1169">TS</a>]
00:19:30 ◼ ► as big as the one she has now in terms [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1170">TS</a>]
00:19:32 ◼ ► of primary storage or is it about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1172">TS</a>]
00:19:34 ◼ ► same size when we bought the the 2014's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1174">TS</a>]
00:19:36 ◼ ► that we have now we've maxed it out but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1176">TS</a>]
00:19:38 ◼ ► at the time that was one terabyte so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1178">TS</a>]
00:19:39 ◼ ► it's one terabyte internal and she's had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1179">TS</a>]
00:19:41 ◼ ► this 4 terabyte external thunderbolt [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1181">TS</a>]
00:19:45 ◼ ► raid array that literally is for one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1185">TS</a>]
00:19:47 ◼ ► terabyte SSDs in raid 0 don't worry it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1187">TS</a>]
00:19:51 ◼ ► very much backed up to various places [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1191">TS</a>]
00:19:52 ◼ ► but that is now that's not an operating [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1192">TS</a>]
00:19:55 ◼ ► constantly for three years in this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1195">TS</a>]
00:19:57 ◼ ► little enclosure with this dumb little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1197">TS</a>]
00:19:58 ◼ ► I don't know how long it's gonna last [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1198">TS</a>]
00:20:00 ◼ ► I'd rather not depend on it for too much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1200">TS</a>]
00:20:02 ◼ ► longer if any of those go bad the last [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1202">TS</a>]
00:20:04 ◼ ► thing I'm gonna want to do is buy a new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1204">TS</a>]
00:20:06 ◼ ► one terabyte SSD in 2017 so kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1206">TS</a>]
00:20:12 ◼ ► also I just hate having another box and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1212">TS</a>]
00:20:14 ◼ ► fan and this hot thing all the federal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1214">TS</a>]
00:20:16 ◼ ► stuff runs really hot like the all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1216">TS</a>]
00:20:17 ◼ ► controller chips that are in the end [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1217">TS</a>]
00:20:18 ◼ ► devices they run like red-hot that's why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1218">TS</a>]
00:20:21 ◼ ► it needs is giant fans time for the SSDs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1221">TS</a>]
00:20:24 ◼ ► simplifying her setup and making it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1224">TS</a>]
00:20:27 ◼ ► better so that's why I did that and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1227">TS</a>]
00:20:29 ◼ ► again it was also kind of a phrase I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1229">TS</a>]
00:20:31 ◼ ► like you know I could probably never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1231">TS</a>]
00:20:33 ◼ ► upgrade these or at least I won't want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1233">TS</a>]
00:20:35 ◼ ► to upgrade them because whatever will be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1235">TS</a>]
00:20:37 ◼ ► involved and whatever it will cost would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1237">TS</a>]
00:20:38 ◼ ► probably be crazy so yeah 4 terabyte but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1238">TS</a>]
00:20:42 ◼ ► and that was a lot of money I'm not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1242">TS</a>]
00:20:44 ◼ ► gonna try to candy-coat that that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1244">TS</a>]
00:20:46 ◼ ► ridiculous but you know the rest I kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1246">TS</a>]
00:20:49 ◼ ► of down the middle configuration below [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1249">TS</a>]
00:20:51 ◼ ► end GPU the middle Ram amount and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1251">TS</a>]
00:20:55 ◼ ► middle CPU I guess how did TIFF approve [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1255">TS</a>]
00:20:57 ◼ ► the low end GPU Oh interesting question [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1257">TS</a>]
00:21:01 ◼ ► it's wrist so if you do the research on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1261">TS</a>]
00:21:03 ◼ ► the on the 56 versus the 64 it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1263">TS</a>]
00:21:06 ◼ ► that different like it's and it seems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1266">TS</a>]
00:21:08 ◼ ► like for what we do I don't think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1268">TS</a>]
00:21:11 ◼ ► anything we do you would notice the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1271">TS</a>]
00:21:13 ◼ ► difference at all because you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1273">TS</a>]
00:21:16 ◼ ► things like Photoshop and Lightroom they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1276">TS</a>]
00:21:18 ◼ ► do use the GPU but not for a huge amount [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1278">TS</a>]
00:21:22 ◼ ► of stuff and they don't use it very hard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1282">TS</a>]
00:21:24 ◼ ► and the way that we use these apps [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1284">TS</a>]
00:21:25 ◼ ► additionally you're probably thinking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1285">TS</a>]
00:21:27 ◼ ► what about gaming but even for like for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1287">TS</a>]
00:21:30 ◼ ► a most games she plays or not on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1290">TS</a>]
00:21:32 ◼ ► computer be it's still going to be a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1292">TS</a>]
00:21:35 ◼ ► massive upgrade from what we have and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1295">TS</a>]
00:21:36 ◼ ► see I don't think the gaming performance [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1296">TS</a>]
00:21:39 ◼ ► difference is going to be that big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1299">TS</a>]
00:21:40 ◼ ► between those two well say yeah I'm I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1300">TS</a>]
00:21:44 ◼ ► surprised so well I'm anxious to hear [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1304">TS</a>]
00:21:47 ◼ ► about this if and when it comes in if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1307">TS</a>]
00:21:49 ◼ ► and when you even ordered it whether or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1309">TS</a>]
00:21:51 ◼ ► not that was a fever dream we'll see if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1311">TS</a>]
00:21:53 ◼ ► I haven't ordered it you want to make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1313">TS</a>]
00:21:54 ◼ ► any edits when I resubmit the order [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1314">TS</a>]
00:21:56 ◼ ► actually I think John does it sounds [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1316">TS</a>]
00:21:58 ◼ ► reasonable to me I would get a big GPU [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1318">TS</a>]
00:22:01 ◼ ► this is not that much more right it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1321">TS</a>]
00:22:02 ◼ ► like a couple hundred bucks more I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1322">TS</a>]
00:22:03 ◼ ► like 600 more it's it's a 600 more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1323">TS</a>]
00:22:05 ◼ ► that's the I elected to spend most of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1325">TS</a>]
00:22:08 ◼ ► the craziness on the disk because that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1328">TS</a>]
00:22:12 ◼ ► we use that that's doing the thing where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1332">TS</a>]
00:22:13 ◼ ► when you you buying a car and it's so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1333">TS</a>]
00:22:15 ◼ ► expensive that $150 the floormat seems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1335">TS</a>]
00:22:17 ◼ ► like nothing same size whether you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1337">TS</a>]
00:22:21 ◼ ► compare it to 30 grand or you compare it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1341">TS</a>]
00:22:23 ◼ ► to 10 bucks it's always 150 it doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1343">TS</a>]
00:22:25 ◼ ► change size but you feel like it does so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1345">TS</a>]
00:22:27 ◼ ► I can use that to persuade you given how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1347">TS</a>]
00:22:30 ◼ ► much you paid for the SSD $600 for a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1350">TS</a>]
00:22:32 ◼ ► better GPU is nothing like it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1352">TS</a>]
00:22:34 ◼ ► formats not wrong you know $600 is way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1354">TS</a>]
00:22:40 ◼ ► too much for the for the GPU speed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1360">TS</a>]
00:22:41 ◼ ► upgrade but what you pay for the four [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1361">TS</a>]
00:22:43 ◼ ► terabyte is also a too much so you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1363">TS</a>]
00:22:45 ◼ ► I don't know I don't want to go for me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1365">TS</a>]
00:22:46 ◼ ► it anyway talk to tip see what you I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1366">TS</a>]
00:22:47 ◼ ► agree all right shall we do some ASCII [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1367">TS</a>]
00:22:54 ◼ ► submissions because that encourages a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1374">TS</a>]
00:22:57 ◼ ► lack of brevity however every once in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1377">TS</a>]
00:22:59 ◼ ► while one sneaks through that I really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1379">TS</a>]
00:23:01 ◼ ► like and you added this as show notes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1381">TS</a>]
00:23:03 ◼ ► only because you beat me to it and this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1383">TS</a>]
00:23:05 ◼ ► is Jade a Lu JD lewin writes I'm looking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1385">TS</a>]
00:23:09 ◼ ► to dip my toe into the quote-unquote [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1389">TS</a>]
00:23:11 ◼ ► high quality headphone plus DAC digital [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1391">TS</a>]
00:23:13 ◼ ► analog converter market which led me to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1393">TS</a>]
00:23:15 ◼ ► read some of Markos older blog posts at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1395">TS</a>]
00:23:17 ◼ ► the moment the bear dynamic DT 880's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1397">TS</a>]
00:23:20 ◼ ► which I'm pretty sure is what I have on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1400">TS</a>]
00:23:22 ◼ ► 7 7 News darn it I can be half four [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1402">TS</a>]
00:23:24 ◼ ► hundred two hundred dollars and and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1404">TS</a>]
00:23:27 ◼ ► fool fula I don't even know how to pull [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1407">TS</a>]
00:23:29 ◼ ► up thank you two for $90 this seems to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1409">TS</a>]
00:23:32 ◼ ► be an affordable way to into a into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1412">TS</a>]
00:23:34 ◼ ► dangerous waters my question is about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1414">TS</a>]
00:23:37 ◼ ► source material will this setup be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1417">TS</a>]
00:23:38 ◼ ► wasted on the AC files delivered through [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1418">TS</a>]
00:23:40 ◼ ► Apple music Spotify etc so Marco take it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1420">TS</a>]
00:23:43 ◼ ► away yes so to ask the to answer the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1423">TS</a>]
00:23:46 ◼ ► actual question of whether decent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1426">TS</a>]
00:23:48 ◼ ► headphones will be wasted on playing AAC [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1428">TS</a>]
00:23:51 ◼ ► files from Apple music and Spotify no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1431">TS</a>]
00:23:54 ◼ ► definitely not there is a point where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1434">TS</a>]
00:23:56 ◼ ► some people claim that they can hear [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1436">TS</a>]
00:23:59 ◼ ► differences between AAC slash mp3 / [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1439">TS</a>]
00:24:03 ◼ ► other loss you can press formats and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1443">TS</a>]
00:24:04 ◼ ► lossless music excuse me yeah see also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1444">TS</a>]
00:24:08 ◼ ► high sample rates higher than 44.1 you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1448">TS</a>]
00:24:12 ◼ ► know bit rates above 24-bit etc we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1452">TS</a>]
00:24:16 ◼ ► talked about this before but but you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1456">TS</a>]
00:24:17 ◼ ► know basically I'm not a believer in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1457">TS</a>]
00:24:20 ◼ ► that being noticeable by most people I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1460">TS</a>]
00:24:24 ◼ ► not sure if it was noted by any people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1464">TS</a>]
00:24:25 ◼ ► but I at least with a few like blind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1465">TS</a>]
00:24:29 ◼ ► tests that have been done seem to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1469">TS</a>]
00:24:30 ◼ ► support that it really is not noticeable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1470">TS</a>]
00:24:33 ◼ ► by almost anybody that's so whereas the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1473">TS</a>]
00:24:38 ◼ ► speakers like like the difference in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1478">TS</a>]
00:24:40 ◼ ► actual transducers that are producing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1480">TS</a>]
00:24:43 ◼ ► the music for you that can be huge [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1483">TS</a>]
00:24:45 ◼ ► differences in very noticeable ways so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1485">TS</a>]
00:24:48 ◼ ► when you're looking for like you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1488">TS</a>]
00:24:50 ◼ ► places to spend money if you want to get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1490">TS</a>]
00:24:52 ◼ ► a good upgrade a good bang for your buck [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1492">TS</a>]
00:24:54 ◼ ► spend that money on the headphones or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1494">TS</a>]
00:24:56 ◼ ► the speakers and not on like the amps [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1496">TS</a>]
00:25:01 ◼ ► material and the high bitrate everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1501">TS</a>]
00:25:03 ◼ ► like you will notice the headphones you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1503">TS</a>]
00:25:05 ◼ ► will not notice the DAC and you will not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1505">TS</a>]
00:25:08 ◼ ► notice the the source material being you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1508">TS</a>]
00:25:11 ◼ ► know good or bad because unless it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1511">TS</a>]
00:25:13 ◼ ► encoded at very low bit rates like a 128 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1513">TS</a>]
00:25:15 ◼ ► K mp3 or you know like about the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1515">TS</a>]
00:25:17 ◼ ► AAC like as long as it's higher than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1517">TS</a>]
00:25:18 ◼ ► that basically you're probably not gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1518">TS</a>]
00:25:20 ◼ ► notice it and and all the services now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1520">TS</a>]
00:25:22 ◼ ► they all offer high-quality streaming if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1522">TS</a>]
00:25:25 ◼ ► you have enough bandwidth that is high [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1525">TS</a>]
00:25:27 ◼ ► enough that you're not going to notice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1527">TS</a>]
00:25:28 ◼ ► it so don't worry about that on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1528">TS</a>]
00:25:31 ◼ ► headphone topic itself the bear dynamic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1531">TS</a>]
00:25:33 ◼ ► dt 880 is a very old headphone but still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1533">TS</a>]
00:25:37 ◼ ► a very very good one and if it can be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1537">TS</a>]
00:25:39 ◼ ► had for under 200 bucks that's a great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1539">TS</a>]
00:25:41 ◼ ► deal there's a huge headphone revolution [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1541">TS</a>]
00:25:44 ◼ ► happening over the last few years lots [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1544">TS</a>]
00:25:45 ◼ ► and lots of amazing headphones are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1545">TS</a>]
00:25:46 ◼ ► coming out and a lot of formerly fairly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1546">TS</a>]
00:25:49 ◼ ► premium ones are being pushed down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1549">TS</a>]
00:25:51 ◼ ► market that is one of them I highly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1551">TS</a>]
00:25:53 ◼ ► suggest if you are a fan of treble in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1553">TS</a>]
00:25:57 ◼ ► music and like if you if you like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1557">TS</a>]
00:26:00 ◼ ► kind of like crispness that that turning [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1560">TS</a>]
00:26:02 ◼ ► up the trouble a little bit offers you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1562">TS</a>]
00:26:03 ◼ ► in music it doesn't if it doesn't sound [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1563">TS</a>]
00:26:05 ◼ ► harsh to you Bayer dynamic is a great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1565">TS</a>]
00:26:07 ◼ ► company to look at their headphones tend [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1567">TS</a>]
00:26:10 ◼ ► to be a little treble heavy but if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1570">TS</a>]
00:26:12 ◼ ► like that they are wonderful they are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1572">TS</a>]
00:26:17 ◼ ► the downside is at the 880 like almost [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1577">TS</a>]
00:26:20 ◼ ► any good and especially due to an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1580">TS</a>]
00:26:21 ◼ ► expensive headphone has an open back to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1581">TS</a>]
00:26:24 ◼ ► the to the ear cups so that means if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1584">TS</a>]
00:26:26 ◼ ► you've never use this before you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1586">TS</a>]
00:26:28 ◼ ► you're basically the drivers are kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1588">TS</a>]
00:26:30 ◼ ► suspended in open air the backs of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1590">TS</a>]
00:26:32 ◼ ► headphones are just like screens they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1592">TS</a>]
00:26:34 ◼ ► not solid material and so a Iong tinny [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1594">TS</a>]
00:26:39 ◼ ► - plays out to the to the room around [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1599">TS</a>]
00:26:42 ◼ ► you and they don't isolate you very well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1602">TS</a>]
00:26:45 ◼ ► from outside sounds so this is really a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1605">TS</a>]
00:26:49 ◼ ► terrible setup it's a terrible thing to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1609">TS</a>]
00:26:51 ◼ ► use open headphones if you are in either [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1611">TS</a>]
00:26:53 ◼ ► a loud environment like walking around a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1613">TS</a>]
00:26:55 ◼ ► city or if you are sharing an office [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1615">TS</a>]
00:26:58 ◼ ► with anybody because your music will be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1618">TS</a>]
00:27:01 ◼ ► really annoyingly tinny and weird [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1621">TS</a>]
00:27:03 ◼ ► sounding to anyone else in the office [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1623">TS</a>]
00:27:05 ◼ ► headphones in that way but if you have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1625">TS</a>]
00:27:07 ◼ ► like your own quiet space where there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1627">TS</a>]
00:27:09 ◼ ► not other people around to annoy open [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1629">TS</a>]
00:27:11 ◼ ► headphones are by far the best sound you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1631">TS</a>]
00:27:15 ◼ ► knotti it's not even close and there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1635">TS</a>]
00:27:18 ◼ ► basically three points that you need to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1638">TS</a>]
00:27:20 ◼ ► know about in this market on the very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1640">TS</a>]
00:27:22 ◼ ► low end you have the grado sr60 sounds [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1642">TS</a>]
00:27:25 ◼ ► amazing costs like 60 or 70 bucks but is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1645">TS</a>]
00:27:27 ◼ ► pretty uncomfortable then you have the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1647">TS</a>]
00:27:29 ◼ ► day or dynamic dt 880 which is the one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1649">TS</a>]
00:27:34 ◼ ► they are great Tiff's use as a pair on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1654">TS</a>]
00:27:37 ◼ ► at her desk still they're wonderful [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1657">TS</a>]
00:27:38 ◼ ► around 200 bucks very very comfortable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1658">TS</a>]
00:27:41 ◼ ► everything about them is great except [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1661">TS</a>]
00:27:42 ◼ ► they have that open back which is you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1662">TS</a>]
00:27:44 ◼ ► know impractical in certain contexts and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1664">TS</a>]
00:27:46 ◼ ► then also if you don't like very strong [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1666">TS</a>]
00:27:49 ◼ ► treble you won't like either of those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1669">TS</a>]
00:27:50 ◼ ► options if you like it more what they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1670">TS</a>]
00:27:52 ◼ ► call laid-back sound where they kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1672">TS</a>]
00:27:54 ◼ ► like roll off the treble it's very much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1674">TS</a>]
00:27:56 ◼ ► like younger people tend to like this a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1676">TS</a>]
00:27:58 ◼ ► little bit more because it kind of goes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1678">TS</a>]
00:27:59 ◼ ► into like the soft is loud musical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1679">TS</a>]
00:28:02 ◼ ► aesthetic that has been taken over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1682">TS</a>]
00:28:03 ◼ ► recently in like emo music and stuff and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1683">TS</a>]
00:28:05 ◼ ► whatever else that I'm probably mangling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1685">TS</a>]
00:28:07 ◼ ► the terminology for if you like that if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1687">TS</a>]
00:28:09 ◼ ► you don't like a lot of trouble and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1689">TS</a>]
00:28:10 ◼ ► like it to be very soft and like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1690">TS</a>]
00:28:13 ◼ ► know gentle on your ears the Sennheiser [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1693">TS</a>]
00:28:17 ◼ ► HD 650 used to be $600 and in recent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1697">TS</a>]
00:28:22 ◼ ► years they've done a bunch of like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1702">TS</a>]
00:28:23 ◼ ► special things or they've cut in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1703">TS</a>]
00:28:25 ◼ ► price at that or they're doing special [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1705">TS</a>]
00:28:27 ◼ ► editions with mass drop but it's still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1707">TS</a>]
00:28:29 ◼ ► basically the HD 650 that is an amazing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1709">TS</a>]
00:28:32 ◼ ► headphone it's old and it looks kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1712">TS</a>]
00:28:34 ◼ ► weird it has like speckled plastic it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1714">TS</a>]
00:28:36 ◼ ► a very ugly thing but it's like it's an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1716">TS</a>]
00:28:39 ◼ ► amazing sounding headphone if you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1719">TS</a>]
00:28:40 ◼ ► get it for below 300 bucks and if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1720">TS</a>]
00:28:43 ◼ ► don't like that strong treble that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1723">TS</a>]
00:28:44 ◼ ► bear that I make will give you so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1724">TS</a>]
00:28:46 ◼ ► basically those my recommendations [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1726">TS</a>]
00:28:47 ◼ ► ignore the source material quality just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1727">TS</a>]
00:28:49 ◼ ► get whatever you get don't be upset it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1729">TS</a>]
00:28:50 ◼ ► wonderful it'll be good enough and if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1730">TS</a>]
00:28:53 ◼ ► spend 60 bucks like any like treble and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1733">TS</a>]
00:28:55 ◼ ► you don't like comfort get the great OSR [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1735">TS</a>]
00:28:57 ◼ ► 60 if you if you want comfort and still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1737">TS</a>]
00:29:02 ◼ ► like treble the DT 880 and if you don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1742">TS</a>]
00:29:06 ◼ ► like treble and you can spend like 300 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1746">TS</a>]
00:29:08 ◼ ► bucks ish range the sennheiser HD 650 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1748">TS</a>]
00:29:11 ◼ ► and on the dax side all of those can be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1751">TS</a>]
00:29:16 ◼ ► driven perfectly fine from the headphone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1756">TS</a>]
00:29:18 ◼ ► jack in any mac desktop or laptop the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1758">TS</a>]
00:29:22 ◼ ► phone you won't get a lot of volume out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1762">TS</a>]
00:29:24 ◼ ► of if you if you try to push it too high [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1764">TS</a>]
00:29:25 ◼ ► but you don't need an external DAC for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1765">TS</a>]
00:29:28 ◼ ► any of those headphones you might get a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1768">TS</a>]
00:29:30 ◼ ► little bit better performance in volume [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1770">TS</a>]
00:29:32 ◼ ► and maybe at the highest volumes maybe a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1772">TS</a>]
00:29:34 ◼ ► little bit better bass especially this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1774">TS</a>]
00:29:36 ◼ ► the HD 650 is the least efficient of all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1776">TS</a>]
00:29:38 ◼ ► those that I just mentioned so that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1778">TS</a>]
00:29:39 ◼ ► the one that most would need one but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1779">TS</a>]
00:29:42 ◼ ► you're pretty much fine without without [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1782">TS</a>]
00:29:44 ◼ ► that if you like if you just want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1784">TS</a>]
00:29:46 ◼ ► start just got a really nice pair of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1786">TS</a>]
00:29:47 ◼ ► headphones that can work with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1787">TS</a>]
00:29:48 ◼ ► built-in headphone jack in your Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1788">TS</a>]
00:29:50 ◼ ► which almost everything can you know I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1790">TS</a>]
00:29:53 ◼ ► just like to say I agree with pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1793">TS</a>]
00:29:56 ◼ ► much everything you said I don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1796">TS</a>]
00:29:57 ◼ ► about specific recommendations of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1797">TS</a>]
00:29:58 ◼ ► headphones I haven't bought headphones [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1798">TS</a>]
00:29:59 ◼ ► in a long time outside of my ear pods [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1799">TS</a>]
00:30:01 ◼ ► but I wanted to and I think I've done [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1801">TS</a>]
00:30:04 ◼ ► this every time you brought it up I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1804">TS</a>]
00:30:05 ◼ ► wanted to concur with you about open [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1805">TS</a>]
00:30:07 ◼ ► headphones I have an ancient pair of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1807">TS</a>]
00:30:10 ◼ ► Sennheiser's I don't even remember what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1810">TS</a>]
00:30:11 ◼ ► model they are they're so damaged there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1811">TS</a>]
00:30:13 ◼ ► are five nine eight maybe something like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1813">TS</a>]
00:30:15 ◼ ► that I mean they're like easily ten [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1815">TS</a>]
00:30:16 ◼ ► years old at this point and I can dig up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1816">TS</a>]
00:30:19 ◼ ► what they are doesn't really matter but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1819">TS</a>]
00:30:21 ◼ ► suffice to say I have an ancient pair of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1821">TS</a>]
00:30:23 ◼ ► Sennheiser open-air headphones and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1823">TS</a>]
00:30:26 ◼ ► are phenomenal they are truly truly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1826">TS</a>]
00:30:31 ◼ ► great it is terrible to be within 30 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1831">TS</a>]
00:30:33 ◼ ► feet of me when I was but but they are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1833">TS</a>]
00:30:36 ◼ ► really really good and I also wanted to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1836">TS</a>]
00:30:39 ◼ ► agree with you about the quality of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1839">TS</a>]
00:30:41 ◼ ► source material that you you can go flak [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1841">TS</a>]
00:30:44 ◼ ► if you want if you want to be one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1844">TS</a>]
00:30:46 ◼ ► those kind of nerds but again Marko was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1846">TS</a>]
00:30:48 ◼ ► absolutely right that the best thing to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1848">TS</a>]
00:30:50 ◼ ► do is change your headphones I will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1850">TS</a>]
00:30:52 ◼ ► however say if you can stand in ear [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1852">TS</a>]
00:30:56 ◼ ► earbuds earphones whatever then ear [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1856">TS</a>]
00:30:59 ◼ ► monitors I thank you yeah well not even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1859">TS</a>]
00:31:02 ◼ ► the custom mold ones I'm just talking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1862">TS</a>]
00:31:03 ◼ ► about like a really really fancy pair of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1863">TS</a>]
00:31:06 ◼ ► phones I think they're a lot more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1866">TS</a>]
00:31:08 ◼ ► finicky I I don't think they're really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1868">TS</a>]
00:31:12 ◼ ► but I have a really fancy pair of now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1872">TS</a>]
00:31:14 ◼ ► very discontinued Ultimate Ears in-ear [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1874">TS</a>]
00:31:17 ◼ ► headphone things and they are when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1877">TS</a>]
00:31:21 ◼ ► they're seated properly they're the best [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1881">TS</a>]
00:31:23 ◼ ► headphones I have but to be fair to get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1883">TS</a>]
00:31:26 ◼ ► them seated a hundred percent properly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1886">TS</a>]
00:31:27 ◼ ► is a real pain in the butt so I still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1887">TS</a>]
00:31:30 ◼ ► think Marcos right that doing something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1890">TS</a>]
00:31:31 ◼ ► a traditional headphone preferably open [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1891">TS</a>]
00:31:33 ◼ ► air is a better choice but if you have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1893">TS</a>]
00:31:35 ◼ ► ears that are conducive to in-ear things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1895">TS</a>]
00:31:39 ◼ ► or are willing to spend the money to get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1899">TS</a>]
00:31:41 ◼ ► your ears poured and you know get custom [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1901">TS</a>]
00:31:43 ◼ ► molds made to get im's like Marco just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1903">TS</a>]
00:31:46 ◼ ► brought up that is probably the money no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1906">TS</a>]
00:31:48 ◼ ► object you know effort no object best in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1908">TS</a>]
00:31:53 ◼ ► headphones in my personal opinion but a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1913">TS</a>]
00:31:55 ◼ ► lot of people don't really agree with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1915">TS</a>]
00:31:57 ◼ ► that hello Marco and other people don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1917">TS</a>]
00:31:59 ◼ ► want to spend that money and don't want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1919">TS</a>]
00:32:01 ◼ ► to be bothered hello both of us oh it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1921">TS</a>]
00:32:05 ◼ ► not the it's not the best answer unless [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1925">TS</a>]
00:32:06 ◼ ► you're really really going deep into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1926">TS</a>]
00:32:09 ◼ ► this world but it's worth at least [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1929">TS</a>]
00:32:11 ◼ ► mentioning all right Jeremy Nachman [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1931">TS</a>]
00:32:14 ◼ ► writes I've never had much interest in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1934">TS</a>]
00:32:16 ◼ ► cars personally but I have a nine year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1936">TS</a>]
00:32:17 ◼ ► old who seems to have an interest do you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1937">TS</a>]
00:32:19 ◼ ► have any car magazine recommendations [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1939">TS</a>]
00:32:20 ◼ ► the kids would enjoy doesn't necessarily [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1940">TS</a>]
00:32:22 ◼ ► need to be one targeting a kids audience [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1942">TS</a>]
00:32:25 ◼ ► when I was growing up and I was about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1945">TS</a>]
00:32:27 ◼ ► this age I used to love reading Car and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1947">TS</a>]
00:32:28 ◼ ► Driver and I don't pay attention to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1948">TS</a>]
00:32:30 ◼ ► print magazines very much anymore and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1950">TS</a>]
00:32:32 ◼ ► know John you do so I'm gonna turn it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1952">TS</a>]
00:32:33 ◼ ► over to you in a second but last I saw a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1953">TS</a>]
00:32:35 ◼ ► car driver was still pretty good Motor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1955">TS</a>]
00:32:37 ◼ ► Trend was okay you can also get a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1957">TS</a>]
00:32:40 ◼ ► really good stuff on YouTube and that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1960">TS</a>]
00:32:42 ◼ ► not even like me trying to plug myself [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1962">TS</a>]
00:32:44 ◼ ► although hey Casey on cars is a new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1964">TS</a>]
00:32:45 ◼ ► series you might want to look at so here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1965">TS</a>]
00:32:47 ◼ ► I am plugging myself but uh but no like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1967">TS</a>]
00:32:48 ◼ ► the Motor Trend stuff that's on YouTube [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1968">TS</a>]
00:32:50 ◼ ► is actually very very good and very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1970">TS</a>]
00:32:51 ◼ ► digestible and not too bro II generally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1971">TS</a>]
00:32:55 ◼ ► speaking there's plenty of car stuff on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1975">TS</a>]
00:32:57 ◼ ► YouTube that is very bro II and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1977">TS</a>]
00:32:59 ◼ ► wouldn't necessarily recommend for a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1979">TS</a>]
00:33:00 ◼ ► nine year old but the Motor Trend stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1980">TS</a>]
00:33:02 ◼ ► is good in terms of magazines car and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1982">TS</a>]
00:33:04 ◼ ► driver John additional thoughts yeah the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1984">TS</a>]
00:33:07 ◼ ► kid angle on this is what makes it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1987">TS</a>]
00:33:09 ◼ ► difficult because I still watch a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1989">TS</a>]
00:33:13 ◼ ► I have in the past subscribe to I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1993">TS</a>]
00:33:16 ◼ ► every car every straight car magazine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1996">TS</a>]
00:33:19 ◼ ► like you know truck magazines or you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/1999">TS</a>]
00:33:21 ◼ ► know hotrod magazines or more specialty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2001">TS</a>]
00:33:23 ◼ ► type of stuff which may be what you had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2003">TS</a>]
00:33:28 ◼ ► magazines car driver is still my gold [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2008">TS</a>]
00:33:30 ◼ ► standard but the reason I have trouble [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2010">TS</a>]
00:33:33 ◼ ► recommending this for a kid is because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2013">TS</a>]
00:33:36 ◼ ► like when you think of car magazines [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2016">TS</a>]
00:33:38 ◼ ► like in the worst case scenario you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2018">TS</a>]
00:33:41 ◼ ► thinking of like some Hot Rod Magazine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2021">TS</a>]
00:33:43 ◼ ► where every single month is there's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2023">TS</a>]
00:33:45 ◼ ► girl in a bikini sitting on the roof of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2025">TS</a>]
00:33:46 ◼ ► a car and you're like oh I'm not gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2026">TS</a>]
00:33:47 ◼ ► buy those for my kids because that's you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2027">TS</a>]
00:33:49 ◼ ► know I don't want to spread that kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2029">TS</a>]
00:33:51 ◼ ► message about how the stuff works but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2031">TS</a>]
00:33:53 ◼ ► here's the problem with even car and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2033">TS</a>]
00:33:56 ◼ ► driver which I think has some of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2036">TS</a>]
00:33:57 ◼ ► best car riding and has for many years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2037">TS</a>]
00:33:59 ◼ ► now it is relentlessly unconsciously [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2039">TS</a>]
00:34:03 ◼ ► sexist like it is in every pore of that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2043">TS</a>]
00:34:07 ◼ ► magazine and you think there's no girls [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2047">TS</a>]
00:34:09 ◼ ► in bikinis on the cover like it's fine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2049">TS</a>]
00:34:10 ◼ ► right it's not though like every article [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2050">TS</a>]
00:34:12 ◼ ► is written assuming the the person [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2052">TS</a>]
00:34:14 ◼ ► reading it is a man like every joke [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2054">TS</a>]
00:34:17 ◼ ► every gag every cover image I really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2057">TS</a>]
00:34:19 ◼ ► like so much so that they they don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2059">TS</a>]
00:34:21 ◼ ► even know they're doing it they don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2061">TS</a>]
00:34:22 ◼ ► even think that there could possibly be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2062">TS</a>]
00:34:24 ◼ ► another joke they don't make any attempt [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2064">TS</a>]
00:34:28 ◼ ► right-wing politics this turn on there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2068">TS</a>]
00:34:29 ◼ ► but I think that's less harmful because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2069">TS</a>]
00:34:31 ◼ ► it's it's you know mixed up everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2071">TS</a>]
00:34:32 ◼ ► else so I have trouble recommending that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2072">TS</a>]
00:34:35 ◼ ► young people start their life in cars [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2075">TS</a>]
00:34:39 ◼ ► reading a magazine that assumes the only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2079">TS</a>]
00:34:41 ◼ ► people who ever be into cars are men [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2081">TS</a>]
00:34:43 ◼ ► because that's not healthy for anybody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2083">TS</a>]
00:34:44 ◼ ► involved so I would say the YouTube has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2084">TS</a>]
00:34:47 ◼ ► a higher chance of being sort of more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2087">TS</a>]
00:34:51 ◼ ► welcoming at least the YouTube channels [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2091">TS</a>]
00:34:53 ◼ ► I've seen there are many things to not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2093">TS</a>]
00:34:54 ◼ ► recommend them and there are of course [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2094">TS</a>]
00:34:55 ◼ ► you know YouTube channels with terrible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2095">TS</a>]
00:34:58 ◼ ► bro people saying terrible Brobee things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2098">TS</a>]
00:35:00 ◼ ► what else is new it's the Internet but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2100">TS</a>]
00:35:03 ◼ ► hey I think kids are more likely to get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2103">TS</a>]
00:35:06 ◼ ► into that then you know paper magazines [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2106">TS</a>]
00:35:08 ◼ ► which come on who reads those and B I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2108">TS</a>]
00:35:11 ◼ ► think you might have a better chance of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2111">TS</a>]
00:35:19 ◼ ► inclusive YouTube channel because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2119">TS</a>]
00:35:22 ◼ ► honestly I don't know of any magazines [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2122">TS</a>]
00:35:23 ◼ ► that aren't if a car and driver is is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2123">TS</a>]
00:35:27 ◼ ► is fairly good too but just all those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2127">TS</a>]
00:35:30 ◼ ► carvings just assume you are a guy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2130">TS</a>]
00:35:33 ◼ ► reading a car magazine and they half the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2133">TS</a>]
00:35:35 ◼ ► time they don't even know they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2135">TS</a>]
00:35:36 ◼ ► assuming it and it's it's not it's not a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2136">TS</a>]
00:35:39 ◼ ► good look and it's not something that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2139">TS</a>]
00:35:40 ◼ ► would recommend a young person get into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2140">TS</a>]
00:35:42 ◼ ► because while I perpetuate that let me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2142">TS</a>]
00:35:45 ◼ ► just put out a call that if you are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2145">TS</a>]
00:35:47 ◼ ► listening to this and you know of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2147">TS</a>]
00:35:49 ◼ ► YouTube channel hosted by a woman that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2149">TS</a>]
00:35:52 ◼ ► really good that's about cars or know an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2152">TS</a>]
00:35:54 ◼ ► author that's you know either a blogger [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2154">TS</a>]
00:35:56 ◼ ► or you know a particular author to look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2156">TS</a>]
00:35:58 ◼ ► at any of these car magazines that's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2158">TS</a>]
00:35:59 ◼ ► woman I would love to know that because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2159">TS</a>]
00:36:00 ◼ ► I certainly only hear dudes of various [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2160">TS</a>]
00:36:03 ◼ ► bro eNOS talking about cars I'd love to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2163">TS</a>]
00:36:05 ◼ ► hear you know a different perspective on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2165">TS</a>]
00:36:06 ◼ ► that so or maybe not even a woman just a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2166">TS</a>]
00:36:08 ◼ ► different perspective I mean to find [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2168">TS</a>]
00:36:10 ◼ ► that however you'd like but I'd love to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2170">TS</a>]
00:36:12 ◼ ► hear it so feel free to tweet at me and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2172">TS</a>]
00:36:14 ◼ ► let me know and by the way Jeremy Jeremy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2174">TS</a>]
00:36:16 ◼ ► didn't say whether his kid was girl or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2176">TS</a>]
00:36:18 ◼ ► boy and I don't think it matters like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2178">TS</a>]
00:36:20 ◼ ► you shouldn't if your if your kid is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2180">TS</a>]
00:36:21 ◼ ► like a little boy who's super into cars [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2181">TS</a>]
00:36:23 ◼ ► he shouldn't be reading a magazine that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2183">TS</a>]
00:36:25 ◼ ► assumes everybody who reading it as a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2185">TS</a>]
00:36:27 ◼ ► dude either like that's it's not there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2187">TS</a>]
00:36:29 ◼ ► nothing to do with the gender of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2189">TS</a>]
00:36:30 ◼ ► child or anything like that it's just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2190">TS</a>]
00:36:31 ◼ ► like what I'm getting is print is old [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2191">TS</a>]
00:36:34 ◼ ► and it is mostly dominated by old people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2194">TS</a>]
00:36:36 ◼ ► with old opinions and even has new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2196">TS</a>]
00:36:38 ◼ ► writers have come in and I think I made [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2198">TS</a>]
00:36:39 ◼ ► a tweet a couple years ago to the effect [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2199">TS</a>]
00:36:41 ◼ ► that you could see the change over on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2201">TS</a>]
00:36:42 ◼ ► the writing staff of Car and Driver when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2202">TS</a>]
00:36:44 ◼ ► they started making a jokes and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2204">TS</a>]
00:36:46 ◼ ► captions are their images that reference [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2206">TS</a>]
00:36:47 ◼ ► things like Star Trek or you wouldn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2207">TS</a>]
00:36:49 ◼ ► have seen that when like Brock Yates was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2209">TS</a>]
00:36:51 ◼ ► still writing or whatever like there is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2211">TS</a>]
00:36:52 ◼ ► a changing of the guard but it's still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2212">TS</a>]
00:36:54 ◼ ► it's still the the boys club and there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2214">TS</a>]
00:36:57 ◼ ► no reason it should be there's nothing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2217">TS</a>]
00:36:58 ◼ ► there's nothing gendered about cars [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2218">TS</a>]
00:36:59 ◼ ► right so that's disappointing it in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2219">TS</a>]
00:37:02 ◼ ► YouTube I feel like is slightly better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2222">TS</a>]
00:37:04 ◼ ► it's also worse like you know the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2224">TS</a>]
00:37:06 ◼ ► equivalent of the bikini girls on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2226">TS</a>]
00:37:07 ◼ ► hoods those YouTube channels totally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2227">TS</a>]
00:37:09 ◼ ► exist to write so you know the Internet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2229">TS</a>]
00:37:12 ◼ ► is a big place so be careful all right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2232">TS</a>]
00:37:15 ◼ ► and finally from Jeff e sue ECC Ram [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2235">TS</a>]
00:37:18 ◼ ► seems to make sense for high stakes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2238">TS</a>]
00:37:20 ◼ ► contexts like Finance space like space [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2240">TS</a>]
00:37:23 ◼ ► travel etc what practical effects do you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2243">TS</a>]
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00:37:28 ◼ ► you ever noticed a flip bit on your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2248">TS</a>]
00:37:30 ◼ ► machine do you just find it cool as a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2250">TS</a>]
00:37:32 ◼ ► nerd and or want it for peace of mind so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2252">TS</a>]
00:37:35 ◼ ► John can you kind of do a recap for us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2255">TS</a>]
00:37:37 ◼ ► and what ECC Ram is why this is relevant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2257">TS</a>]
00:37:40 ◼ ► answered that a couple pass shows we had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2260">TS</a>]
00:37:44 ◼ ► debates about importance names for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2264">TS</a>]
00:37:47 ◼ ► error-correcting where if they're you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2267">TS</a>]
00:37:49 ◼ ► know they send the information from RAM [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2269">TS</a>]
00:37:50 ◼ ► but they also have a bit to check [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2270">TS</a>]
00:37:52 ◼ ► whether the information you're getting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2272">TS</a>]
00:37:53 ◼ ► is accurately represented you think it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2273">TS</a>]
00:37:54 ◼ ► was like a parity bit or whatever but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2274">TS</a>]
00:37:56 ◼ ► think it's more complicated than that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2276">TS</a>]
00:37:57 ◼ ► these days but anyway usually they have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2277">TS</a>]
00:37:59 ◼ ► the bit to recover the ability to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2279">TS</a>]
00:38:01 ◼ ► recover from small errors like a one bit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2281">TS</a>]
00:38:03 ◼ ► error they can correct that on the fly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2283">TS</a>]
00:38:05 ◼ ► because they know which bit is often [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2285">TS</a>]
00:38:07 ◼ ► what it should be instead and so as you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2287">TS</a>]
00:38:09 ◼ ► know what would have been some bad data [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2289">TS</a>]
00:38:12 ◼ ► coming out of RAM gets two corrected to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2292">TS</a>]
00:38:15 ◼ ► why would bad data come out of RAM [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2295">TS</a>]
00:38:17 ◼ ► that's the question about what what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2297">TS</a>]
00:38:19 ◼ ► errors are you correcting who cares if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2299">TS</a>]
00:38:21 ◼ ► you have error correcting ability in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2301">TS</a>]
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00:38:26 ◼ ► components everything is perfect about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2306">TS</a>]
00:38:27 ◼ ► them right unfortunately everything in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2307">TS</a>]
00:38:29 ◼ ► the world digital is under the covers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2309">TS</a>]
00:38:31 ◼ ► analog until you get down to the quantum [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2311">TS</a>]
00:38:33 ◼ ► level but we're not going to get into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2313">TS</a>]
00:38:34 ◼ ► that I have limits somewhere yeah so the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2314">TS</a>]
00:38:38 ◼ ► question is how often these errors come [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2318">TS</a>]
00:38:41 ◼ ► up and last time we talked about this we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2321">TS</a>]
00:38:42 ◼ ► cited a bunch of studies we'll put two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2322">TS</a>]
00:38:44 ◼ ► links into the show notes about two semi [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2324">TS</a>]
00:38:47 ◼ ► recent ones one of them was a 2009 study [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2327">TS</a>]
00:38:50 ◼ ► that was supposedly saying that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2330">TS</a>]
00:38:52 ◼ ► error rates in RAM are much higher than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2332">TS</a>]
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00:38:59 ◼ ► to 70,000 errors per billion device [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2339">TS</a>]
00:39:02 ◼ ► hours per megabit with errors on more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2342">TS</a>]
00:39:05 ◼ ► than 8% of dims and there's an IBM study [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2345">TS</a>]
00:39:08 ◼ ► in the 90s looking at like the causes of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2348">TS</a>]
00:39:11 ◼ ► this like you know radiation from space [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2351">TS</a>]
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00:39:15 ◼ ► you're not in something that is shielded [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2355">TS</a>]
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00:39:22 ◼ ► 256 megabytes of RAM per month and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2362">TS</a>]
00:39:26 ◼ ► know you can sell it from the 90s [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2366">TS</a>]
00:39:27 ◼ ► because it talked about too much you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2367">TS</a>]
00:39:28 ◼ ► know so one error per two hundred [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2368">TS</a>]
00:39:29 ◼ ► physics megawatts a ram per month that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2369">TS</a>]
00:39:31 ◼ ► not a small number if we have four gigs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2371">TS</a>]
00:39:32 ◼ ► of RAM right or 16 gigs or whatever you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2372">TS</a>]
00:39:36 ◼ ► have errors happen now the question is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2376">TS</a>]
00:39:39 ◼ ► alright so who care who care is a bit is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2379">TS</a>]
00:39:41 ◼ ► flipped what does that manifest in some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2381">TS</a>]
00:39:44 ◼ ► it could take your whole computer down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2384">TS</a>]
00:39:45 ◼ ► but chances are good nothing will happen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2385">TS</a>]
00:39:48 ◼ ► because that bit didn't matter like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2388">TS</a>]
00:39:50 ◼ ► there are so many bits that just don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2390">TS</a>]
00:39:51 ◼ ► matter not even that it gets corrupted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2391">TS</a>]
00:39:53 ◼ ► maybe that bit just didn't matter at all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2393">TS</a>]
00:39:58 ◼ ► it changed the the color of a pixel in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2398">TS</a>]
00:40:02 ◼ ► way that you couldn't detect or it just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2402">TS</a>]
00:40:04 ◼ ► ended up in some garbage data at the end [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2404">TS</a>]
00:40:06 ◼ ► of you know at the end of some buffer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2406">TS</a>]
00:40:09 ◼ ► that never got reached like it maybe it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2409">TS</a>]
00:40:11 ◼ ► just doesn't matter it came out of RAM [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2411">TS</a>]
00:40:12 ◼ ► and I got over and with something else [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2412">TS</a>]
00:40:13 ◼ ► but every once in a while it does matter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2413">TS</a>]
00:40:15 ◼ ► and the reason people use ECC is because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2415">TS</a>]
00:40:17 ◼ ► they think you know that for the small [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2417">TS</a>]
00:40:19 ◼ ► incremental cost of having ECC Ram maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2419">TS</a>]
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00:40:30 ◼ ► have to get a little bit more safety for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2430">TS</a>]
00:40:32 ◼ ► not that much more cost and that's why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2432">TS</a>]
00:40:36 ◼ ► servers use it and that's why fancy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2436">TS</a>]
00:40:38 ◼ ► high-end desktop so server hardware use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2438">TS</a>]
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00:44:12 ◼ ► what the current processors were in GPUs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2652">TS</a>]
00:44:14 ◼ ► and things of that nature like 20 years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2654">TS</a>]
00:44:16 ◼ ► ago when I was building my own pcs I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2656">TS</a>]
00:44:19 ◼ ► up in a long time and it seems like and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2659">TS</a>]
00:44:23 ◼ ► I might even get this backwards so jump [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2663">TS</a>]
00:44:25 ◼ ► in and correct me but it seems like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2665">TS</a>]
00:44:26 ◼ ► everyone is really perturbed that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2666">TS</a>]
00:44:29 ◼ ► iMac Pro is only coming with an AMD [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2669">TS</a>]
00:44:31 ◼ ► graphics card and apparently it's bit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2671">TS</a>]
00:44:34 ◼ ► like nvidia or bust in the graphics card [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2674">TS</a>]
00:44:37 ◼ ► department can one of you guys explain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2677">TS</a>]
00:44:39 ◼ ► to me like a do I even have that right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2679">TS</a>]
00:44:41 ◼ ► be why and see then why isn't Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2681">TS</a>]
00:44:46 ◼ ► offering Nvidia cards and why are they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2686">TS</a>]
00:44:49 ◼ ► so committed to AMD or gear or at least [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2689">TS</a>]
00:44:52 ◼ ► what's your best guess if nothing else [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2692">TS</a>]
00:44:53 ◼ ► John do you want to kind of talk me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2693">TS</a>]
00:44:55 ◼ ► through this the Nvidia thing we talked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2695">TS</a>]
00:44:58 ◼ ► about this before about who at various [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2698">TS</a>]
00:45:02 ◼ ► times in our life using computers has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2702">TS</a>]
00:45:04 ◼ ► been the GPU performance King you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2704">TS</a>]
00:45:07 ◼ ► like starting from I guess the voodoo3 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2707">TS</a>]
00:45:12 ◼ ► 3d effects and you know anyway did you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2712">TS</a>]
00:45:15 ◼ ► did that Mac I think we talked about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2715">TS</a>]
00:45:17 ◼ ► this months and months ago but to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2717">TS</a>]
00:45:19 ◼ ► Mac ever have the thing where you had a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2719">TS</a>]
00:45:21 ◼ ► little stubby VGA cable to connect the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2721">TS</a>]
00:45:22 ◼ ► 2d card to the 3d card do you know what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2722">TS</a>]
00:45:25 ◼ ► I'm talking about that's pretty sure it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2725">TS</a>]
00:45:26 ◼ ► did not ever have anything like that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2726">TS</a>]
00:45:28 ◼ ► Mac never had gaming or VGA you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2728">TS</a>]
00:45:34 ◼ ► exactly what I'm talking about that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2734">TS</a>]
00:45:35 ◼ ► don't you mark I was like you had one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2735">TS</a>]
00:45:36 ◼ ► these yeah we connect to your 3d effects [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2736">TS</a>]
00:45:38 ◼ ► accelerator card yeah yeah those are the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2738">TS</a>]
00:45:41 ◼ ► days sorry anyway John Kerry oh yeah so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2741">TS</a>]
00:45:46 ◼ ► consolidated it's settled down in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2746">TS</a>]
00:45:48 ◼ ► latter years as being a TI versus Nvidia [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2748">TS</a>]
00:45:52 ◼ ► and occasionally they would swap places [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2752">TS</a>]
00:45:54 ◼ ► of what generation of card you know does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2754">TS</a>]
00:45:56 ◼ ► they would realize their architectures [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2756">TS</a>]
00:45:58 ◼ ► and then they would have multiple cards [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2758">TS</a>]
00:45:59 ◼ ► and you'd have overclocked cards and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2759">TS</a>]
00:46:01 ◼ ► stuff and then they've advised ARCA [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2761">TS</a>]
00:46:02 ◼ ► anyway at various points Nvidia had the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2762">TS</a>]
00:46:05 ◼ ► fastest meaning like basically for games [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2765">TS</a>]
00:46:07 ◼ ► like who can run insert hot 3d game here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2767">TS</a>]
00:46:11 ◼ ► the fastest sometimes it was Nvidia [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2771">TS</a>]
00:46:13 ◼ ► sometimes it was AMD if you've looked at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2773">TS</a>]
00:46:17 ◼ ► the swings it seems that in both the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2777">TS</a>]
00:46:20 ◼ ► most recent years and Vidya has been on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2780">TS</a>]
00:46:22 ◼ ► top more but it really depends on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2782">TS</a>]
00:46:24 ◼ ► specific application but for right now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2784">TS</a>]
00:46:28 ◼ ► and Ruby is on top in a lot of markets [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2788">TS</a>]
00:46:32 ◼ ► because they make a lot of cars that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2792">TS</a>]
00:46:34 ◼ ► make sacrifices in precision for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2794">TS</a>]
00:46:38 ◼ ► purposes of performance and very often [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2798">TS</a>]
00:46:39 ◼ ► ATI which is now AMD would tell you yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2799">TS</a>]
00:46:43 ◼ ► that's fine but if you want to do real [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2803">TS</a>]
00:46:44 ◼ ► serious work with like a program that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2804">TS</a>]
00:46:47 ◼ ► requires higher precision that AMD is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2807">TS</a>]
00:46:48 ◼ ► better or whatever but also because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2808">TS</a>]
00:46:51 ◼ ► nvidia and AMD have chosen different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2811">TS</a>]
00:46:53 ◼ ► platforms for compute on GPUs and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2813">TS</a>]
00:46:56 ◼ ► Nvidia's the one that they're what is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2816">TS</a>]
00:46:59 ◼ ► there is a CUDA da cunha yeah is right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2819">TS</a>]
00:47:02 ◼ ► now more popular and so we had someone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2822">TS</a>]
00:47:04 ◼ ► actually write in to us about this this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2824">TS</a>]
00:47:07 ◼ ► is Daniel who said in addition to mvu [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2827">TS</a>]
00:47:08 ◼ ► being faster there's lots of software [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2828">TS</a>]
00:47:10 ◼ ► now that uses GPU acceleration but only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2830">TS</a>]
00:47:12 ◼ ► nvidia so their application software [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2832">TS</a>]
00:47:15 ◼ ► written it's accelerated for GPUs but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2835">TS</a>]
00:47:18 ◼ ► literally only accelerated by the NVIDIA [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2838">TS</a>]
00:47:19 ◼ ► GPUs the examples gives us redshift and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2839">TS</a>]
00:47:22 ◼ ► my and 3d new plugins for new kiddie and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2842">TS</a>]
00:47:25 ◼ ► go ghosts on the 2d side so part of it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2845">TS</a>]
00:47:28 ◼ ► is like just market success that Nvidia [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2848">TS</a>]
00:47:31 ◼ ► was able to convince software makers of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2851">TS</a>]
00:47:32 ◼ ► these big expensive for our obligations [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2852">TS</a>]
00:47:34 ◼ ► to write their software to only be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2854">TS</a>]
00:47:36 ◼ ► accelerated by Nvidia cards so that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2856">TS</a>]
00:47:39 ◼ ► forget about who's faster forever who's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2859">TS</a>]
00:47:40 ◼ ► bet has better cards or whatever if it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2860">TS</a>]
00:47:42 ◼ ► literally won't work with AMD graphics [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2862">TS</a>]
00:47:46 ◼ ► that's bad like it'll you know but to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2866">TS</a>]
00:47:47 ◼ ► run in an accelerated mode and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2867">TS</a>]
00:47:49 ◼ ► secondarily if you're into games there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2869">TS</a>]
00:47:51 ◼ ► are lots of other applications chances [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2871">TS</a>]
00:47:53 ◼ ► are that right now and video sells the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2873">TS</a>]
00:47:55 ◼ ► absolute fastest card they'll run [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2875">TS</a>]
00:47:57 ◼ ► whatever your GPU thing is the fastest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2877">TS</a>]
00:47:59 ◼ ► that's why we had the question a while [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2879">TS</a>]
00:48:01 ◼ ► back was saying if the Mac proto's and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2881">TS</a>]
00:48:02 ◼ ► support Nvidia is it a failure or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2882">TS</a>]
00:48:03 ◼ ► whatever I don't think it is for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2883">TS</a>]
00:48:06 ◼ ► most part and you know if you have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2886">TS</a>]
00:48:10 ◼ ► use one of the application there's only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2890">TS</a>]
00:48:11 ◼ ► so acceleration video chance is good you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2891">TS</a>]
00:48:13 ◼ ► haven't had a Mac in a long time because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2893">TS</a>]
00:48:15 ◼ ► for whatever reason I'm not sure what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2895">TS</a>]
00:48:17 ◼ ► the reason is but for whatever reason [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2897">TS</a>]
00:48:18 ◼ ► Mac's have not shipped with NVIDIA GPUs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2898">TS</a>]
00:48:21 ◼ ► either standard or optional for a long [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2901">TS</a>]
00:48:24 ◼ ► time now so it's not as if people are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2904">TS</a>]
00:48:26 ◼ ► out there using Mac's with Nvidia [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2906">TS</a>]
00:48:28 ◼ ► graphics card waiting to upgrade all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2908">TS</a>]
00:48:30 ◼ ► these people are using these programs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2910">TS</a>]
00:48:31 ◼ ► presumably are already using pcs anyway [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2911">TS</a>]
00:48:34 ◼ ► that's why I think people are concerned [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2914">TS</a>]
00:48:37 ◼ ► about the Nvidia situation because part [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2917">TS</a>]
00:48:39 ◼ ► of the promise of the Mac Pro is it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2919">TS</a>]
00:48:41 ◼ ► modular system and it's upgradable but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2921">TS</a>]
00:48:43 ◼ ► how upgradable is it really if you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2923">TS</a>]
00:48:46 ◼ ► you can only ever put in new and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2926">TS</a>]
00:48:48 ◼ ► graphics cards I mean that's great like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2928">TS</a>]
00:48:50 ◼ ► lets you extend life in the machine like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2930">TS</a>]
00:48:52 ◼ ► we said before but there was a time that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2932">TS</a>]
00:48:55 ◼ ► mitts on Mac users may remember when you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2935">TS</a>]
00:48:57 ◼ ► could buy a Mac like the one sitting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2937">TS</a>]
00:48:59 ◼ ► next to me right now they could run [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2939">TS</a>]
00:49:01 ◼ ► cards from both of those manufacturers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2941">TS</a>]
00:49:03 ◼ ► and that time was good and we would like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2943">TS</a>]
00:49:05 ◼ ► that harm to return yeah I think I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2945">TS</a>]
00:49:08 ◼ ► some other angles to consider I mean so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2948">TS</a>]
00:49:09 ◼ ► first of all the the explanation of why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2949">TS</a>]
00:49:11 ◼ ► we have not seen any new Macs with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2951">TS</a>]
00:49:15 ◼ ► NVIDIA GPUs in something like three or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2955">TS</a>]
00:49:18 ◼ ► four years is possibly related to there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2958">TS</a>]
00:49:22 ◼ ► was a massive series of NVIDIA GPU [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2962">TS</a>]
00:49:24 ◼ ► failures and MacBook Pros we heard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2964">TS</a>]
00:49:27 ◼ ► rumblings here and there from various [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2967">TS</a>]
00:49:28 ◼ ► uncredible sources that like there might [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2968">TS</a>]
00:49:31 ◼ ► be some kind of big political rift with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2971">TS</a>]
00:49:32 ◼ ► that between Apple and NVIDIA from that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2972">TS</a>]
00:49:35 ◼ ► time but it does certainly seem like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2975">TS</a>]
00:49:38 ◼ ► there is definitely like it is a choice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2978">TS</a>]
00:49:41 ◼ ► that Apple is making not to not to ship [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2981">TS</a>]
00:49:44 ◼ ► an NVIDIA GPUs in all of their computers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2984">TS</a>]
00:49:47 ◼ ► since a few years ago it is not just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2987">TS</a>]
00:49:50 ◼ ► coincidence and on that issue though on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2990">TS</a>]
00:49:52 ◼ ► it being a choice which again I have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2992">TS</a>]
00:49:54 ◼ ► heard as well the weird part about it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2994">TS</a>]
00:49:56 ◼ ► that modern Apple especially has always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/2996">TS</a>]
00:50:00 ◼ ► been really enthusiastic but always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3000">TS</a>]
00:50:02 ◼ ► having two suppliers for everything that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3002">TS</a>]
00:50:04 ◼ ► it does like you know even just like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3004">TS</a>]
00:50:06 ◼ ► because if they get themselves in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3006">TS</a>]
00:50:08 ◼ ► situation when there's one they get into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3008">TS</a>]
00:50:09 ◼ ► something to a Qualcomm situation and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3009">TS</a>]
00:50:11 ◼ ► they're just like they need someone to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3011">TS</a>]
00:50:13 ◼ ► play off of but everything the RAM who's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3013">TS</a>]
00:50:15 ◼ ► manufacturing their systems on a chip [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3015">TS</a>]
00:50:16 ◼ ► like SSDs screens best case Apple wants [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3016">TS</a>]
00:50:22 ◼ ► redundancy but so that you don't become [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3022">TS</a>]
00:50:25 ◼ ► under the thumb of one like you could be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3025">TS</a>]
00:50:26 ◼ ► under the thumb of Qualcomm it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3026">TS</a>]
00:50:28 ◼ ► who else you gonna go to no one else can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3028">TS</a>]
00:50:29 ◼ ► make your radio chips hahaha like so it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3029">TS</a>]
00:50:32 ◼ ► would be who Happel to go to both of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3032">TS</a>]
00:50:35 ◼ ► them and play them off each other who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3035">TS</a>]
00:50:36 ◼ ► knows maybe that's exactly what they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3036">TS</a>]
00:50:37 ◼ ► doing in anybody it just keeps losing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3037">TS</a>]
00:50:38 ◼ ► losing the contract but from the outside [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3038">TS</a>]
00:50:40 ◼ ► it just seems like they are now a single [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3040">TS</a>]
00:50:44 ◼ ► single vendor source for their GPUs and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3044">TS</a>]
00:50:46 ◼ ► that can't be healthy I mean and maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3046">TS</a>]
00:50:48 ◼ ► the long-term plan is gonna make its own [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3048">TS</a>]
00:50:50 ◼ ► GPUs because it's a core part of their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3050">TS</a>]
00:50:52 ◼ ► business and they kind of have been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3052">TS</a>]
00:50:53 ◼ ► doing that on the you know the portable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3053">TS</a>]
00:50:55 ◼ ► side was it business the first one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3055">TS</a>]
00:51:00 ◼ ► leave so yeah but they haven't done that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3060">TS</a>]
00:51:02 ◼ ► on the Mac and they probably won't pick [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3062">TS</a>]
00:51:03 ◼ ► us for all the reasons that we've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3063">TS</a>]
00:51:04 ◼ ► discussed before about investment in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3064">TS</a>]
00:51:05 ◼ ► Mac but it just it just still seems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3065">TS</a>]
00:51:07 ◼ ► weird to me that it seems it's a much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3067">TS</a>]
00:51:09 ◼ ► more natural fit for apples business [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3069">TS</a>]
00:51:11 ◼ ► practices to be supporting both but they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3071">TS</a>]
00:51:12 ◼ ► haven't recently well I think there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3072">TS</a>]
00:51:14 ◼ ► there's a couple angles here I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3074">TS</a>]
00:51:15 ◼ ► number one like you might be right like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3075">TS</a>]
00:51:17 ◼ ► AMD just might be winning all these bids [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3077">TS</a>]
00:51:18 ◼ ► because it certainly seems clear that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3078">TS</a>]
00:51:21 ◼ ► Apple has a pretty good relationship [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3081">TS</a>]
00:51:23 ◼ ► with AMD and for things like if you look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3083">TS</a>]
00:51:25 ◼ ► at the 2013 trash trashcan Mac Pro those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3085">TS</a>]
00:51:28 ◼ ► were like total custom GPUs like just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3088">TS</a>]
00:51:31 ◼ ► for that that AMD made for made you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3091">TS</a>]
00:51:33 ◼ ► to add apples order so like there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3093">TS</a>]
00:51:37 ◼ ► relationship there where like AMD will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3097">TS</a>]
00:51:39 ◼ ► probably make Apple pretty much whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3099">TS</a>]
00:51:41 ◼ ► they asked for which is and and the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3101">TS</a>]
00:51:44 ◼ ► pricing that they give Apple appears to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3104">TS</a>]
00:51:46 ◼ ► be pretty good like if you look at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3106">TS</a>]
00:51:48 ◼ ► workstation GPU pricing that that AMD [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3108">TS</a>]
00:51:50 ◼ ► charges and then you look at what Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3110">TS</a>]
00:51:54 ◼ ► configuration of the Mac Pro and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3114">TS</a>]
00:51:56 ◼ ► iMac Pro it does seem like AMD is giving [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3116">TS</a>]
00:51:59 ◼ ► Apple a pretty good deal so it could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3119">TS</a>]
00:52:00 ◼ ► just be that but they're you're you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3120">TS</a>]
00:52:02 ◼ ► right that Apple does have two suppliers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3122">TS</a>]
00:52:04 ◼ ► for a lot of things one of the big ones [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3124">TS</a>]
00:52:06 ◼ ► that they don't is Intel for their CPUs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3126">TS</a>]
00:52:09 ◼ ► and I may be you know ironically the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3129">TS</a>]
00:52:14 ◼ ► winner of that bid otherwise would be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3134">TS</a>]
00:52:15 ◼ ► AMD but but you know maybe they have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3135">TS</a>]
00:52:19 ◼ ► similar relationship with AMD on the GPU [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3139">TS</a>]
00:52:23 ◼ ► side that they have with Intel on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3143">TS</a>]
00:52:25 ◼ ► CPU side which is kind of this like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3145">TS</a>]
00:52:28 ◼ ► know assured exclusivity and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3148">TS</a>]
00:52:30 ◼ ► changed for their good relationship with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3150">TS</a>]
00:52:32 ◼ ► AMD and you know the difference is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3152">TS</a>]
00:52:34 ◼ ► Intel can give them the very best chips [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3154">TS</a>]
00:52:36 ◼ ► of that kind in the world or at AMD at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3156">TS</a>]
00:52:38 ◼ ► various times cannot and although this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3158">TS</a>]
00:52:40 ◼ ► also brings in a topic they kept getting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3160">TS</a>]
00:52:42 ◼ ► pushed down in the show notes but the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3162">TS</a>]
00:52:43 ◼ ► several weeks ago or months ago deal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3163">TS</a>]
00:52:45 ◼ ► where Intel is bundling AMD GPUs and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3165">TS</a>]
00:52:49 ◼ ► sort of like not on the same die but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3169">TS</a>]
00:52:51 ◼ ► like in the same package yeah yeah there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3171">TS</a>]
00:52:52 ◼ ► and so that's an interesting synergy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3172">TS</a>]
00:52:54 ◼ ► between apples to favored vendors and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3174">TS</a>]
00:52:56 ◼ ► and you know Intel like it makes some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3176">TS</a>]
00:52:59 ◼ ► sense to me that was going with Intel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3179">TS</a>]
00:53:00 ◼ ► that if am you know there's there's that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3180">TS</a>]
00:53:02 ◼ ► relationship and there's the you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3182">TS</a>]
00:53:04 ◼ ► IBM even more so than AMD has proven [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3184">TS</a>]
00:53:07 ◼ ► that they will make one-off custom chips [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3187">TS</a>]
00:53:08 ◼ ► for Apple like in the MacBook Air and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3188">TS</a>]
00:53:09 ◼ ► the back in the old days and it's a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3189">TS</a>]
00:53:14 ◼ ► the reason Intelli put so much work into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3194">TS</a>]
00:53:16 ◼ ► its internal GPUs with the embedded dram [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3196">TS</a>]
00:53:19 ◼ ► and all that stuff is because that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3199">TS</a>]
00:53:22 ◼ ► I'm sure Apple likes your relationship [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3202">TS</a>]
00:53:24 ◼ ► where they have a big say in what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3204">TS</a>]
00:53:25 ◼ ► products get generated and honestly if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3205">TS</a>]
00:53:31 ◼ ► particularly competitive and we get back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3211">TS</a>]
00:53:34 ◼ ► to again Apple probably wants to just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3214">TS</a>]
00:53:35 ◼ ► make its own chips if it ever if it ever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3215">TS</a>]
00:53:37 ◼ ► comes to that but the difference in that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3217">TS</a>]
00:53:40 ◼ ► scenario is there is no software that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3220">TS</a>]
00:53:43 ◼ ► only runs accelerated on the MDD PMD [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3223">TS</a>]
00:53:48 ◼ ► like it's not it's not the Nvidia [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3228">TS</a>]
00:53:50 ◼ ► situation where there's a whole classes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3230">TS</a>]
00:53:51 ◼ ► of software that are written to CUDA and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3231">TS</a>]
00:53:54 ◼ ► and and you know overall like there is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3234">TS</a>]
00:53:57 ◼ ► huge difference in the results here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3237">TS</a>]
00:53:58 ◼ ► because you know as you as you briefly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3238">TS</a>]
00:53:59 ◼ ► alluded to like Intel if you are Intel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3239">TS</a>]
00:54:02 ◼ ► exclusive for your PC CPUs you're fine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3242">TS</a>]
00:54:05 ◼ ► because the vast majority of the time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3245">TS</a>]
00:54:08 ◼ ► Intel is the leader in that race usually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3248">TS</a>]
00:54:11 ◼ ► by a pretty big margin AMD CPU business [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3251">TS</a>]
00:54:14 ◼ ► has been second run basically sends like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3254">TS</a>]
00:54:16 ◼ ► the Pentium for like it had a good run [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3256">TS</a>]
00:54:19 ◼ ► there for a little while where it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3259">TS</a>]
00:54:20 ◼ ► king but then it wasn't so if if it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3260">TS</a>]
00:54:23 ◼ ► the other way around if Apple had had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3263">TS</a>]
00:54:25 ◼ ► this great relationship with AMD for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3265">TS</a>]
00:54:27 ◼ ► CPUs and would never used Intel CPUs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3267">TS</a>]
00:54:30 ◼ ► they'd have a pretty big problem that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3270">TS</a>]
00:54:33 ◼ ► they used wouldn't be very competitive a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3273">TS</a>]
00:54:34 ◼ ► lot of the time and the problem is they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3274">TS</a>]
00:54:36 ◼ ► now have that problem on the GPU side [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3276">TS</a>]
00:54:39 ◼ ► run on the GPU side I think they do ok [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3279">TS</a>]
00:54:41 ◼ ► with power per watt but they don't have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3281">TS</a>]
00:54:44 ◼ ► the the sheer performance edge that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3284">TS</a>]
00:54:47 ◼ ► that they would have if NVIDIA was their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3287">TS</a>]
00:54:50 ◼ ► only supplier or if they would use both [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3290">TS</a>]
00:54:52 ◼ ► like they used to you know it used to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3292">TS</a>]
00:54:53 ◼ ► that like you know every generation of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3293">TS</a>]
00:54:55 ◼ ► like a Mac or a MacBook Pro like it they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3295">TS</a>]
00:54:58 ◼ ► would like alternate between which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3298">TS</a>]
00:54:59 ◼ ► vendor they were supplying just whoever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3299">TS</a>]
00:55:00 ◼ ► had like the most compelling one that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3300">TS</a>]
00:55:02 ◼ ► they could get in a volume or whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3302">TS</a>]
00:55:04 ◼ ► else like but by going seemingly am the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3304">TS</a>]
00:55:07 ◼ ► only for GPUs for the least the last few [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3307">TS</a>]
00:55:09 ◼ ► years I think it is really starting to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3309">TS</a>]
00:55:11 ◼ ► hurt them especially at the high end [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3311">TS</a>]
00:55:13 ◼ ► I've heard from so many people who see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3313">TS</a>]
00:55:16 ◼ ► the news about the iMac Pro or the Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3316">TS</a>]
00:55:19 ◼ ► Pro and just write it off as sorry we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3319">TS</a>]
00:55:22 ◼ ► can't do that because it doesn't support [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3322">TS</a>]
00:55:23 ◼ ► CUDA and the only thing that that my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3323">TS</a>]
00:55:27 ◼ ► be an escape valve here is external GPU [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3327">TS</a>]
00:55:33 ◼ ► Thunderbolt 3 now supporting external [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3333">TS</a>]
00:55:36 ◼ ► GPU boxes that might be their answer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3336">TS</a>]
00:55:38 ◼ ► like it might it might it might be like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3338">TS</a>]
00:55:40 ◼ ► we're gonna keep using AMD for our main [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3340">TS</a>]
00:55:42 ◼ ► GPUs but if you're a pro customer and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3342">TS</a>]
00:55:44 ◼ ► you want a CUDA card for your work maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3344">TS</a>]
00:55:47 ◼ ► putting it in a thunderbolt chassis is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3347">TS</a>]
00:55:50 ◼ ► close enough the benchmarks still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3350">TS</a>]
00:55:53 ◼ ► especially for these applications that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3353">TS</a>]
00:55:56 ◼ ► bandwidth actually does come in doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3356">TS</a>]
00:55:57 ◼ ► come in in games probably if you're just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3357">TS</a>]
00:55:59 ◼ ► interested in games you can probably get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3359">TS</a>]
00:56:00 ◼ ► away with any GPU but for all these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3360">TS</a>]
00:56:03 ◼ ► fancy computational things actually send [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3363">TS</a>]
00:56:05 ◼ ► a lot of data back and forth Thunderbolt [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3365">TS</a>]
00:56:07 ◼ ► isn't you know it's not even close to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3367">TS</a>]
00:56:09 ◼ ► the bandwidth of an internal card [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3369">TS</a>]
00:56:12 ◼ ► benchmarks with that to like you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3372">TS</a>]
00:56:14 ◼ ► let's try a MacBook Pro with an e GPU [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3374">TS</a>]
00:56:17 ◼ ► versus the iMac pro with this internal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3377">TS</a>]
00:56:19 ◼ ► versus a good old cheese grater with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3379">TS</a>]
00:56:22 ◼ ► some $900 Nvidia graphic card shoved [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3382">TS</a>]
00:56:25 ◼ ► into this ancient internals from 20 L 10 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3385">TS</a>]
00:56:27 ◼ ► or 11 and the stupid cheese grater wins [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3387">TS</a>]
00:56:30 ◼ ► every time because it's an internal GPU [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3390">TS</a>]
00:56:32 ◼ ► with more bandwidth than everybody else [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3392">TS</a>]
00:56:33 ◼ ► and it's got the fastest the latest card [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3393">TS</a>]
00:56:36 ◼ ► from Nvidia and so like I guess I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3396">TS</a>]
00:56:38 ◼ ► been the person originally asked the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3398">TS</a>]
00:56:39 ◼ ► question would the Mac probably fail [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3399">TS</a>]
00:56:40 ◼ ► product I don't think so I mean it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3400">TS</a>]
00:56:43 ◼ ► silly that Apple won't support it if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3403">TS</a>]
00:56:45 ◼ ► it's like some weird political reason or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3405">TS</a>]
00:56:46 ◼ ► whatever but whatever you know if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3406">TS</a>]
00:56:51 ◼ ► available GPU next year it's not the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3411">TS</a>]
00:56:54 ◼ ► fastest GPU anymore and so if you just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3414">TS</a>]
00:56:56 ◼ ► pretend every Mac Pro you're buying is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3416">TS</a>]
00:56:57 ◼ ► already year old as long as you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3417">TS</a>]
00:56:59 ◼ ► either a upgrade it so that every single [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3419">TS</a>]
00:57:02 ◼ ► year you can buy a faster GPU or be that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3422">TS</a>]
00:57:05 ◼ ► Apple revises it and so every year if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3425">TS</a>]
00:57:08 ◼ ► you bought a new one it has a faster GPU [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3428">TS</a>]
00:57:10 ◼ ► in it you like the worst situation is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3430">TS</a>]
00:57:11 ◼ ► they they put it out with a competitive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3431">TS</a>]
00:57:13 ◼ ► pretty fast GPU that may actually by the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3433">TS</a>]
00:57:15 ◼ ► way be faster in your particular thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3435">TS</a>]
00:57:17 ◼ ► because if you're not running games and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3437">TS</a>]
00:57:18 ◼ ► you're not running a CUDA acceleration [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3438">TS</a>]
00:57:20 ◼ ► sometimes the AMD GPU is the fastest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3440">TS</a>]
00:57:22 ◼ ► really depends on what you're doing but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3442">TS</a>]
00:57:24 ◼ ► the trick is you need some way to stay [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3444">TS</a>]
00:57:26 ◼ ► on that performance path the fact you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3446">TS</a>]
00:57:28 ◼ ► can't have the fastest one then just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3448">TS</a>]
00:57:30 ◼ ► never offer another GPU for three years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3450">TS</a>]
00:57:32 ◼ ► and not have it be upgradable so the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3452">TS</a>]
00:57:34 ◼ ► people need some way to every year reap [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3454">TS</a>]
00:57:38 ◼ ► of the graphics world and that's that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3458">TS</a>]
00:57:41 ◼ ► what the Mac Pro has to deliver if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3461">TS</a>]
00:57:43 ◼ ► can't deliver nvidia that's a bummer for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3463">TS</a>]
00:57:46 ◼ ► some people but what it has to deliver [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3466">TS</a>]
00:57:48 ◼ ► is the ability to get back on the GPU [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3468">TS</a>]
00:57:51 ◼ ► train you can put in the all aboard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3471">TS</a>]
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00:58:47 ◼ ► know that that never takes as fast as we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3527">TS</a>]
00:58:49 ◼ ► want it to and there's always additional [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3529">TS</a>]
00:58:51 ◼ ► overhead to managing it that we probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3531">TS</a>]
00:58:53 ◼ ► shouldn't need to worry about things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3533">TS</a>]
00:58:55 ◼ ► like security updates and patches and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3535">TS</a>]
00:58:57 ◼ ► backups and caching and keeping it up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3537">TS</a>]
00:59:00 ◼ ► and if we get you know a prominent link [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3540">TS</a>]
00:59:01 ◼ ► from somewhere and everything else and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3541">TS</a>]
00:59:03 ◼ ► the reality is with Squarespace you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3543">TS</a>]
00:59:06 ◼ ► don't have to worry about any of that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3546">TS</a>]
00:59:07 ◼ ► and that's probably a better use of your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3547">TS</a>]
00:59:09 ◼ ► time is to just go to Squarespace make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3549">TS</a>]
00:59:12 ◼ ► your website for your next podcast or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3552">TS</a>]
00:59:14 ◼ ► your next blog or your next portfolio or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3554">TS</a>]
00:59:17 ◼ ► a store or just a website just for fun [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3557">TS</a>]
00:59:19 ◼ ► to show off so if you what you like or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3559">TS</a>]
00:59:21 ◼ ► what your business is make that website [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3561">TS</a>]
00:59:23 ◼ ► with Squarespace instead of doing it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3563">TS</a>]
00:59:25 ◼ ► yourself through any other kind of means [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3565">TS</a>]
00:59:26 ◼ ► because pretty much everything else [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3566">TS</a>]
00:59:27 ◼ ► honestly is not a good use of your time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3567">TS</a>]
00:59:29 ◼ ► you should be focused on your business [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3569">TS</a>]
00:59:31 ◼ ► or your project or your hobby instead of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3571">TS</a>]
00:59:34 ◼ ► worrying about your web hosting and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3574">TS</a>]
00:59:37 ◼ ► Squarespace sites look great no matter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3577">TS</a>]
00:59:40 ◼ ► what your skill level is you can create [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3580">TS</a>]
00:59:43 ◼ ► designed and their works on all devices [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3583">TS</a>]
00:59:44 ◼ ► of any size they take care of patching [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3584">TS</a>]
00:59:47 ◼ ► and backups and security and caching and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3587">TS</a>]
00:59:49 ◼ ► everything you don't worry about any of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3589">TS</a>]
00:59:51 ◼ ► that all you do is focus on your project [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3591">TS</a>]
00:59:52 ◼ ► let them worry about your website start [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3592">TS</a>]
00:59:55 ◼ ► squarespace.com when you decide to sign [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3595">TS</a>]
00:59:57 ◼ ► up make sure to use offer code ATP to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/3597">TS</a>]
02:00:03 ◼ ► like I I'm not afraid if I'm talking to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/7203">TS</a>]
02:00:07 ◼ ► my Apple I'm not afraid of like you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/7207">TS</a>]
02:00:10 ◼ ► if I say the wrong thing or if I or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/7210">TS</a>]
02:00:12 ◼ ► afterwards if I'm on a podcast and I say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/7212">TS</a>]
02:00:13 ◼ ► the wrong thing like are they gonna cut [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/7213">TS</a>]
02:00:16 ◼ ► off you know my PR accent of something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/7216">TS</a>]
02:00:18 ◼ ► because until this moment I didn't have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/7218">TS</a>]
02:00:25 ◼ ► everything in my job everything in my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/7225">TS</a>]
02:00:27 ◼ ► career my life to this point has not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/7227">TS</a>]
02:00:29 ◼ ► needed PR access and so like it's one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/7229">TS</a>]
02:00:32 ◼ ► thing like if I was like the verge and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/7232">TS</a>]
02:00:34 ◼ ► got cut off from PR that's a much bigger [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/7234">TS</a>]
02:00:36 ◼ ► problem for me to get cut off from PR I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/7236">TS</a>]
02:00:39 ◼ ► don't it doesn't really hurt me much and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/7239">TS</a>]
02:00:41 ◼ ► so I'm not afraid to be honest and to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/7241">TS</a>]
02:00:45 ◼ ► say when things are bad and and and most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/7245">TS</a>]
02:00:48 ◼ ► good journalists you know they try to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/7248">TS</a>]
02:00:49 ◼ ► maintain that same balance even even if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/7249">TS</a>]
02:00:51 ◼ ► their access does depend on that because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/7251">TS</a>]
02:00:52 ◼ ► you know even if their access does or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/7252">TS</a>]
02:00:55 ◼ ► does not their credibility depends on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/7255">TS</a>]
02:00:56 ◼ ► them being balanced and being fair and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/7256">TS</a>]
02:00:59 ◼ ► being willing to criticize when it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/7259">TS</a>]
02:01:02 ◼ ► when it's warranted and so I mean I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/7262">TS</a>]
02:01:04 ◼ ► not saying everybody the PR access is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/7264">TS</a>]
02:01:08 ◼ ► definitely a trap that I would fear [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/7268">TS</a>]
02:01:10 ◼ ► falling into you know if my access [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/7270">TS</a>]
02:01:12 ◼ ► increases but I think I'm okay because I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/7272">TS</a>]
02:01:16 ◼ ► I don't really have anything to lose I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/7276">TS</a>]
02:01:19 ◼ ► have to say one of the best things about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/7279">TS</a>]
02:01:20 ◼ ► Apple PR and my experience is because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/7280">TS</a>]
02:01:25 ◼ ► they're so selective in who they talk to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/7285">TS</a>]
02:01:28 ◼ ► they tend to know who they're talking to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/7288">TS</a>]
02:01:30 ◼ ► so they will tailor not just what they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/7290">TS</a>]
02:01:34 ◼ ► say but even who you talk like at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/7294">TS</a>]
02:01:37 ◼ ► various times in my Mac os10 reviews I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/7297">TS</a>]
02:01:40 ◼ ► had interactions with Apple PR and in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/7300">TS</a>]
02:01:43 ◼ ► almost all those cases I didn't have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/7303">TS</a>]
02:01:46 ◼ ► go through like you know the analogy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/7306">TS</a>]
02:01:47 ◼ ► being like level-1 level-2 level-3 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/7307">TS</a>]
02:01:48 ◼ ► support they would just hook me up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/7308">TS</a>]
02:01:51 ◼ ► directly with the engineer who works on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/7311">TS</a>]
02:01:54 ◼ ► whatever thing that I want to ask god [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/7314">TS</a>]
02:01:56 ◼ ► partially it's because I'm asking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/7316">TS</a>]
02:01:57 ◼ ► questions the Apple PR thinks for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/7317">TS</a>]
02:01:59 ◼ ► most boring questions in the world about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/7319">TS</a>]
02:02:01 ◼ ► this the exact technical details of sub [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/7321">TS</a>]
02:02:05 ◼ ► sub system that I'm going to put it in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/7325">TS</a>]
02:02:06 ◼ ► my um team page review that no one's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/7326">TS</a>]
02:02:09 ◼ ► right so they don't care but the thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/7329">TS</a>]
02:02:10 ◼ ► is they're efficient they're not gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/7330">TS</a>]
02:02:12 ◼ ► make me ask a question of a high-level [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/7332">TS</a>]
02:02:15 ◼ ► PR person who's then gonna ask someone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/7335">TS</a>]
02:02:18 ◼ ► below that who's who is I'm gonna ask an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/7338">TS</a>]
02:02:20 ◼ ► engineering manager who's gonna ask an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/7340">TS</a>]
02:02:22 ◼ ► telephone to get back to me they just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/7342">TS</a>]
02:02:24 ◼ ► will connect me directly to the people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/7344">TS</a>]
02:02:26 ◼ ► who know which it sounds like they would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/7346">TS</a>]
02:02:28 ◼ ► never let an engineer talk directly to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/7348">TS</a>]
02:02:32 ◼ ► in if they know who they're talking to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/7352">TS</a>]
02:02:34 ◼ ► and what they're asking about and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/7354">TS</a>]
02:02:35 ◼ ► parameters are very clear that you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/7355">TS</a>]
02:02:37 ◼ ► just specifically asking about exactly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/7357">TS</a>]
02:02:39 ◼ ► how Facebook integration works on with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/7359">TS</a>]
02:02:41 ◼ ► contacts and some specific version the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/7361">TS</a>]
02:02:42 ◼ ► operating system and as we as most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/7362">TS</a>]
02:02:45 ◼ ► people know the engineers will just tell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/7365">TS</a>]
02:02:47 ◼ ► you the truth they wrote the thing they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/7367">TS</a>]
02:02:49 ◼ ► design the subsystem it's a boring [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/7369">TS</a>]
02:02:50 ◼ ► answer to a boring question that doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/7370">TS</a>]
02:02:52 ◼ ► reveal anything about future anything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/7372">TS</a>]
02:02:54 ◼ ► but very often I had those kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/7374">TS</a>]
02:02:56 ◼ ► specific questions and and to Apple's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/7376">TS</a>]
02:02:57 ◼ ► credit they didn't say oh you know we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/7377">TS</a>]
02:03:00 ◼ ► not talking about that now or we'll get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/7380">TS</a>]
02:03:02 ◼ ► back to you or give me some vague [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/7382">TS</a>]
02:03:04 ◼ ► generality that's just reading from a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/7384">TS</a>]
02:03:05 ◼ ► page a webpage you can give they'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/7385">TS</a>]
02:03:07 ◼ ► bring you right down to the engineer so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/7387">TS</a>]
02:03:10 ◼ ► I would imagine when they're talking to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/7390">TS</a>]
02:03:14 ◼ ► appropriately scaled to the type of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/7394">TS</a>]
02:03:16 ◼ ► questions that he's likely to ask which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/7396">TS</a>]
02:03:17 ◼ ► would be very different than if they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/7397">TS</a>]
02:03:19 ◼ ► talking to you know Time magazine or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/7399">TS</a>]
02:03:20 ◼ ► whatever it's a different set of people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/7400">TS</a>]
02:03:22 ◼ ► because they because they know who it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/7402">TS</a>]
02:03:23 ◼ ► it talking to yeah they're I asked you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/7403">TS</a>]
02:03:26 ◼ ► know very technical question it's very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/7406">TS</a>]
02:03:28 ◼ ► specific questions about implementation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/7408">TS</a>]
02:03:30 ◼ ► details of the iMac and things like it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/7410">TS</a>]
02:03:32 ◼ ► processors and it's PCI lanes and I got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/7412">TS</a>]
02:03:35 ◼ ► answers to all those questions from the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/7415">TS</a>]
02:03:38 ◼ ► people on the call like they knew their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/7418">TS</a>]
02:03:40 ◼ ► stuff anyway like you know my attitude [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/7420">TS</a>]
02:03:43 ◼ ► towards them is very much like I love [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/7423">TS</a>]
02:03:47 ◼ ► talking to them but I don't need to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/7427">TS</a>]
02:03:50 ◼ ► talking to them like my job isn't depend [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/7430">TS</a>]
02:03:52 ◼ ► on it and so I hope that will help you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/7432">TS</a>]
02:03:56 ◼ ► know basically keep me in check here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/7436">TS</a>]
02:03:58 ◼ ► from getting you know too biased I guess [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/7438">TS</a>]
02:04:02 ◼ ► but we still all want review hardware so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/7442">TS</a>]
02:04:04 ◼ ► Apple please send it and the funny thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/7444">TS</a>]
02:04:06 ◼ ► is like even if I don't get review [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/7446">TS</a>]
02:04:08 ◼ ► hardware that doesn't really buy it but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/7448">TS</a>]
02:04:10 ◼ ► I'm gonna buy every single thing review [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/7450">TS</a>]
02:04:13 ◼ ► hardware and this sounds like oh you get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/7453">TS</a>]
02:04:15 ◼ ► review hardware like you don't get to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/7455">TS</a>]
02:04:16 ◼ ► keep it like you give it back to them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/7456">TS</a>]
02:04:20 ◼ ► in a more informed way on your media [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/7460">TS</a>]
02:04:22 ◼ ► then you know like so you can write [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/7462">TS</a>]
02:04:23 ◼ ► about it for your website or you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/7463">TS</a>]
02:04:25 ◼ ► talk about it on your podcast I continue [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/7465">TS</a>]
02:04:27 ◼ ► to maintain that podcast is a form of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/7467">TS</a>]
02:04:28 ◼ ► media though bat-ball seems not yet to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/7468">TS</a>]
02:04:31 ◼ ► reviewing that's but anyway it's if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/7471">TS</a>]
02:04:35 ◼ ► Apple decides they want to get their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/7475">TS</a>]
02:04:36 ◼ ► message out through a particular person [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/7476">TS</a>]
02:04:39 ◼ ► or venue or whatever review hardware is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/7479">TS</a>]
02:04:42 ◼ ► even if they don't get it early even if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/7482">TS</a>]
02:04:44 ◼ ► you just get a day of it just lets that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/7484">TS</a>]
02:04:45 ◼ ► person know what it's like to use that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/7485">TS</a>]
02:04:48 ◼ ► thing and then give it back after a week [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/7488">TS</a>]
02:04:49 ◼ ► and that's that's part of the PR effort [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/7489">TS</a>]
02:04:52 ◼ ► so I don't think it's out of the realm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/7492">TS</a>]
02:04:53 ◼ ► of possibility that some day that Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/7493">TS</a>]
02:04:56 ◼ ► could give a podcast review hardware it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/7496">TS</a>]
02:04:58 ◼ ► just doesn't happen yet so I'm saying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/7498">TS</a>]
02:05:00 ◼ ► we're willing to be in that pilot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/7500">TS</a>]
02:05:01 ◼ ► program call cos Apple maybe maybe for a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/7501">TS</a>]
02:05:04 ◼ ► major desktop Mac release in 2018 mm-hmm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/7504">TS</a>]
02:05:07 ◼ ► just send it right to Casey's house that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/7507">TS</a>]
02:05:09 ◼ ► would be so amazing you can pick it up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/7509">TS</a>]
02:05:11 ◼ ► in the back of the Jeep Wrangler can you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/7511">TS</a>]
02:05:15 ◼ ► imagine you Matt can you imagine if I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/7515">TS</a>]
02:05:17 ◼ ► got on the horn one day and was like hey [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/7517">TS</a>]
02:05:19 ◼ ► you know that Mac Pro that's not coming [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/7519">TS</a>]
02:05:22 ◼ ► out for a week yeah you know the good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/7522">TS</a>]
02:05:25 ◼ ► news is I have one the bad news is I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/7525">TS</a>]
02:05:26 ◼ ► just couldn't be bothered by unboxing it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/7526">TS</a>]
02:05:28 ◼ ► so I'm not gonna be able to talk about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/7528">TS</a>]
02:05:29 ◼ ► it at all you two would lose it the bad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/7529">TS</a>]
02:05:33 ◼ ► news is it fell out of my Jeep Wrangler [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/7533">TS</a>]
02:05:35 ◼ ► because I didn't have the doors on yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/7535">TS</a>]
02:05:37 ◼ ► went over a big bump and tumbled out the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/7537">TS</a>]
02:05:39 ◼ ► back but it seems like it's fine I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/7539">TS</a>]
02:05:41 ◼ ► sure it'll be okay it's all solid state [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJtje8/7541">TS</a>]