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00:00:00 ◼   ► you knew it was coming and here it is

00:00:02 ◼   ► it's becoming a little bit too much of a

00:00:04 ◼   ► pattern I don't know if I like this

00:00:05 ◼   ► Brady people are we really expecting it

00:00:07 ◼   ► this year right once is a fluke twice as

00:00:09 ◼   ► a pattern and then the third is the one

00:00:10 ◼   ► that they expect so I'm not sure we can

00:00:12 ◼   ► keep this up forever for a variety of

00:00:14 ◼   ► reasons but this year is the third

00:00:16 ◼   ► annual one what's this one code the last

00:00:21 ◼   ► Jedi

00:00:23 ◼   ► very well done Brady yep that's the D

00:00:25 ◼   ► with the movie number eight of the core

00:00:28 ◼   ► series yeah of the new trilogy I think

00:00:31 ◼   ► was it on Twitter or someone someone

00:00:33 ◼   ► told me that like Disney has rebranded

00:00:34 ◼   ► the old trilogy as something like Star

00:00:37 ◼   ► Wars legends that's the phrase that they

00:00:39 ◼   ► want to use to describe the original

00:00:41 ◼   ► trilogy which if that is the case I am

00:00:44 ◼   ► going to 100% reject that idea nope nope

00:00:48 ◼   ► it's the original trilogy I'm not gonna

00:00:50 ◼   ► call it Star Wars legends not gonna

00:00:51 ◼   ► happen I heard someone talking about the

00:00:53 ◼   ► original film from 1977 and they just

00:00:55 ◼   ► casually said yeah it's been 40 years

00:00:57 ◼   ► and I was like oh my god that who is 40

00:00:59 ◼   ► years old

00:01:00 ◼   ► 40 year old film Wow there's something

00:01:03 ◼   ► strange about how old movies can be I

00:01:06 ◼   ► know that sounds dumb to say out loud

00:01:08 ◼   ► but I guess what I mean is how old can a

00:01:10 ◼   ► movie that is still unacceptably modern

00:01:15 ◼   ► ish looking movie B and the answer is

00:01:18 ◼   ► getting pretty close to 50 years at this

00:01:20 ◼   ► point you can watch a movie that's 50

00:01:22 ◼   ► years old and feel like yeah that's a

00:01:23 ◼   ► modern enough movie it doesn't stand out

00:01:26 ◼   ► as something like from 1930 so yeah

00:01:30 ◼   ► time passes us all by the Reaper

00:01:32 ◼   ► approaches every day I tell you a film

00:01:34 ◼   ► that two really old that has stood the

00:01:36 ◼   ► test of time

00:01:37 ◼   ► mmm The Wizard of Oz no yeah yeah I mean

00:01:41 ◼   ► it you watch it and it is old but

00:01:43 ◼   ► there's something about it that's very

00:01:45 ◼   ► timeless like a lit looks like a really

00:01:47 ◼   ► off but 1939 that's 200 years old at

00:01:51 ◼   ► this point

00:01:51 ◼   ► it's remarkable it is quite remarkable

00:01:53 ◼   ► and I'd still watch that you know I'd

00:01:55 ◼   ► look at it think I yet charming on film

00:01:57 ◼   ► but still a good film you have to watch

00:01:59 ◼   ► out for those monkeys anyway when I

00:02:01 ◼   ► talked about it it was always a good bit

00:02:05 ◼   ► off track and you just a spoiler there

00:02:07 ◼   ► with your monkey line sorry I guess I

00:02:09 ◼   ► guess I'll put it in the show notes of

00:02:11 ◼   ► his of mine who spoiler for the bear

00:02:12 ◼   ► very minor spoiler before we start

00:02:16 ◼   ► talking about Return of the Jedi engaged

00:02:18 ◼   ► like total into total spoiler zone I

00:02:20 ◼   ► have to say I did think of you a lot

00:02:22 ◼   ► today when I when watched her partly

00:02:24 ◼   ► because both before and after the field

00:02:27 ◼   ► I went to five guys and I always think

00:02:29 ◼   ► of you and I go to five guys because I

00:02:31 ◼   ► know you love her so much although I I

00:02:32 ◼   ► went for my traditional bacon cheese dog

00:02:34 ◼   ► right right and I did enjoy them that's

00:02:37 ◼   ► not paid for by the way people five guys

00:02:39 ◼   ► bacon cheese dog oh do it again I can

00:02:42 ◼   ► never fault a man for his eating habits

00:02:44 ◼   ► in a movie because it wasn't in the

00:02:46 ◼   ► movie it was a before and after I also

00:02:48 ◼   ► got a big bag of sweetie okay like I

00:02:52 ◼   ► think I slightly misinterpreted what you

00:02:54 ◼   ► were saying there I guess I can extend

00:02:56 ◼   ► movie calorie forgiveness to an hour

00:03:00 ◼   ► yeah I'm like an hour before and an hour

00:03:03 ◼   ► afterward I think yeah that's a window

00:03:05 ◼   ► of time when calories don't count naira

00:03:08 ◼   ► and if you have some kind of horrific

00:03:10 ◼   ► eating disorder you may eat three or

00:03:13 ◼   ► four gigantic tubs of popcorn while

00:03:16 ◼   ► you're sitting there watching movie like

00:03:17 ◼   ► just just in theory but this is not as

00:03:19 ◼   ► brought to you by big popcorn well also

00:03:22 ◼   ► the other reason I thought of you and I

00:03:24 ◼   ► know you think this is like means

00:03:25 ◼   ► nothing and it does mean nothing okay I

00:03:27 ◼   ► saw it in quite an empty cinema and I

00:03:29 ◼   ► went for the posh site so it's comfy and

00:03:31 ◼   ► at the end of my row was sitting another

00:03:35 ◼   ► guy watching her alone who I swear was

00:03:38 ◼   ► your doppelganger oh yeah I almost took

00:03:41 ◼   ► a picture of him to show you but it was

00:03:42 ◼   ► too dark it was crazy how much he looked

00:03:44 ◼   ► like you huh I've never seen someone who

00:03:47 ◼   ► I thought oh that guy over there he

00:03:49 ◼   ► looks like gray but this time it was

00:03:50 ◼   ► like whoa I feel like almost why I check

00:03:52 ◼   ► our our times because I watched it today

00:03:54 ◼   ► in a theatre that was it was just me

00:03:56 ◼   ► alone in the theater like was there a

00:03:58 ◼   ► Brady force ghost or astral projection

00:04:01 ◼   ► sitting next to him in the back row

00:04:03 ◼   ► watching this movie it's quite possible

00:04:06 ◼   ► we were having a little forced moment

00:04:08 ◼   ► together watching the movie maybe that's

00:04:09 ◼   ► what happened I wasn't a plane out a

00:04:11 ◼   ► while ago and there was someone sitting

00:04:13 ◼   ► near me who looked like someone I knew

00:04:15 ◼   ► and I texted them and said someone who

00:04:17 ◼   ► looks just like is on my plane

00:04:19 ◼   ► and they said okay and then I took a

00:04:22 ◼   ► sneaky picture and sent it to them by a

00:04:24 ◼   ► message and I looked at the photo and

00:04:26 ◼   ► my god that does look like me anyway

00:04:28 ◼   ► there's no picture so no phones in them

00:04:30 ◼   ► movie theatres Brady only if you're like

00:04:32 ◼   ► me an iPad on your lap no phones but

00:04:36 ◼   ► like a mini computer is perfectly fine I

00:04:38 ◼   ► was using my find to make eggs ah

00:04:41 ◼   ► naughty Brady you're very naughty well

00:04:43 ◼   ► it's got to be done yeah so anyway let's

00:04:45 ◼   ► crack home how are we gonna do this

00:04:47 ◼   ► review we're we're so bad at this it's

00:04:50 ◼   ► the same thing why are we talking about

00:04:53 ◼   ► the Wizard of Oz or my doppelganger it's

00:04:55 ◼   ► because I never know how to warm up to

00:04:59 ◼   ► these things yeah

00:05:00 ◼   ► as per usual this is my second viewing

00:05:04 ◼   ► of the movie so I saw it once yesterday

00:05:06 ◼   ► and then once this morning to take notes

00:05:09 ◼   ► okay

00:05:10 ◼   ► and I think once again you have seen it

00:05:12 ◼   ► for the first time on the day is that

00:05:13 ◼   ► right that's correct I've just saying a

00:05:15 ◼   ► few hours ago

00:05:16 ◼   ► just to give people the the like place

00:05:18 ◼   ► in time where we are I think again

00:05:20 ◼   ► there's this weird thing that happens

00:05:21 ◼   ► where on movies people's opinions tend

00:05:24 ◼   ► to converge very quickly so we're just

00:05:27 ◼   ► like walking out of the movie I went

00:05:29 ◼   ► into it pretty spoiler free and I

00:05:31 ◼   ► haven't heard anybody talk about it with

00:05:33 ◼   ► the exclusion of my wife who I saw it

00:05:34 ◼   ► with for the first time and so now now

00:05:36 ◼   ► I'm gonna talk to you about the movie

00:05:37 ◼   ► Brady I also was spoiler free I had seen

00:05:40 ◼   ► the trailers but I can still consider

00:05:42 ◼   ► myself to be pretty spoiler free and I

00:05:45 ◼   ► know very little about how it went down

00:05:48 ◼   ► but I have got a vague idea of what

00:05:50 ◼   ► reviewers and fans have thought just in

00:05:52 ◼   ► a very very kind mmm this is what people

00:05:54 ◼   ► think kind of way but I have not been

00:05:56 ◼   ► shaped by that in any way interesting I

00:05:58 ◼   ► know you're still MN on your own so

00:05:59 ◼   ► Brady the thing I guess we have to do is

00:06:01 ◼   ► we have to do this the way Brady wants

00:06:04 ◼   ► it Brady yeah what did you think of Star

00:06:08 ◼   ► Wars the last Jedi there are two things

00:06:10 ◼   ► I want to say from the outset okay it's

00:06:12 ◼   ► like an opening statement here yeah

00:06:14 ◼   ► there were two overarching things I want

00:06:16 ◼   ► to say one is very big picture

00:06:19 ◼   ► overarching like in the context of the

00:06:21 ◼   ► whole series of Star Wars films and one

00:06:23 ◼   ► is my broad sweeping overview of this

00:06:26 ◼   ► particular film my big overall Star Wars

00:06:31 ◼   ► thing I want to say is like people

00:06:32 ◼   ► listening have different feelings about

00:06:34 ◼   ► Star Wars some younger listeners don't

00:06:36 ◼   ► care at all some of our older listeners

00:06:38 ◼   ► don't care at all

00:06:39 ◼   ► some people are like us and Mike grew up

00:06:41 ◼   ► with a and it's a really big part of

00:06:43 ◼   ► their life and I'm that like to me I

00:06:45 ◼   ► grew up with a it's really important to

00:06:48 ◼   ► me it's like a big part of my childhood

00:06:49 ◼   ► and I don't think I'm the lone ranger

00:06:52 ◼   ► because Star Wars has become very much

00:06:53 ◼   ► part of the culture of our planet hasn't

00:06:55 ◼   ► everyone knows who Darth Vader is and

00:06:57 ◼   ► knows what the fuck made a force be with

00:06:59 ◼   ► you so I don't feel stupid

00:07:00 ◼   ► holding star was in a special place in

00:07:02 ◼   ► my heart I don't feel like that makes me

00:07:04 ◼   ► too weird

00:07:05 ◼   ► ha right so I love my Star Wars and as

00:07:10 ◼   ► they make more and more of these films

00:07:12 ◼   ► and I felt it today watching the new one

00:07:15 ◼   ► and I know how silly this seance cuz All

00:07:17 ◼   ► Star was as fiction but I'm beginning to

00:07:20 ◼   ► feel a bit like oh you're just making

00:07:22 ◼   ► stuff up now just keep it going it's

00:07:25 ◼   ► like there's the Canon that was the real

00:07:27 ◼   ► like what really happened and now it's

00:07:29 ◼   ► like oh come on you just making stuff up

00:07:32 ◼   ► to make money now I am with you 100%

00:07:34 ◼   ► like I understand that feeling entirely

00:07:36 ◼   ► and related to that I saw in the news

00:07:39 ◼   ► recently that Amazon announced that

00:07:41 ◼   ► they're going to be doing TV series

00:07:43 ◼   ► based on the Lord of the Rings that was

00:07:45 ◼   ► essentially like I wouldn't have quite

00:07:47 ◼   ► put it in those words you've articulated

00:07:48 ◼   ► something in my head that I was thinking

00:07:50 ◼   ► but that is exactly what I was thinking

00:07:52 ◼   ► about the TV show is like oh okay so

00:07:55 ◼   ► you're just gonna make up a bunch of

00:07:56 ◼   ► stuff as opposed to the room stuff that

00:07:58 ◼   ► happened in middle-earth right as

00:07:59 ◼   ► opposed to the actual mythology of

00:08:01 ◼   ► England you're just gonna make up some

00:08:03 ◼   ► nonsense for your TV show like that's

00:08:04 ◼   ► ridiculous so yeah I love that phrase

00:08:06 ◼   ► because I that has clicked something in

00:08:08 ◼   ► my head that I was thinking about

00:08:09 ◼   ► something else and I can completely see

00:08:12 ◼   ► how you feel about that as the modern

00:08:16 ◼   ► post Lucas sale of Star Wars as that era

00:08:20 ◼   ► has come upon us that is like oh they're

00:08:22 ◼   ► just making up stuff now yeah now on the

00:08:25 ◼   ► film itself I would say my overall

00:08:28 ◼   ► feeling is probably more negative than

00:08:32 ◼   ► positive mm-hmm but my main feeling is

00:08:34 ◼   ► one of overall meh I was a bit bored by

00:08:39 ◼   ► it and the thing that was most telling

00:08:41 ◼   ► to me was afterwards when I walked out I

00:08:45 ◼   ► just didn't think about it like if you'd

00:08:48 ◼   ► like a film or you hate a film

00:08:50 ◼   ► you're thinking a lot about it and you

00:08:52 ◼   ► can't wait to talk to people about it

00:08:54 ◼   ► and there's so many things on your mind

00:08:55 ◼   ► and your minds buzzing and I walked out

00:08:57 ◼   ► of the cinema and it's like it just fell

00:08:59 ◼   ► out of my head hmm it's like it made

00:09:02 ◼   ► very little impression on me and that's

00:09:04 ◼   ► incredible because ultimate spoiler

00:09:06 ◼   ► alert who would have thought that five

00:09:08 ◼   ► minutes after seeing Luke Skywalker die

00:09:11 ◼   ► I would just forget about it and not

00:09:13 ◼   ► care but I did and like driving home I

00:09:18 ◼   ► said come on ready you've got to think

00:09:19 ◼   ► about this film you got to talk to grey

00:09:21 ◼   ► you got to have interesting insights and

00:09:22 ◼   ► opinions and it was a real effort to

00:09:25 ◼   ► build up a lot of care about it hmm

00:09:29 ◼   ► and one last criticism and this is my

00:09:31 ◼   ► criticism of the film besides the fact I

00:09:33 ◼   ► thought was boring which is a pity

00:09:37 ◼   ► looking down my point and I know most of

00:09:39 ◼   ► my points will be negative because

00:09:40 ◼   ► that's just how these things work you

00:09:41 ◼   ► know there were good things about the

00:09:43 ◼   ► film but when I look through my negative

00:09:44 ◼   ► points one thing that seems to join a

00:09:48 ◼   ► lot of them together and annoyed me on

00:09:50 ◼   ► multiple occasions was our galaxy

00:09:54 ◼   ► leaking into their galaxy oh my god

00:09:57 ◼   ► yeah yeah there are lots of little

00:09:59 ◼   ► references and mannerisms or things that

00:10:01 ◼   ► happen that I felt like hang on a second

00:10:03 ◼   ► yeah this has been written in our galaxy

00:10:05 ◼   ► yeah this wasn't written in their galaxy

00:10:07 ◼   ► I'm gonna back you up on that and that

00:10:10 ◼   ► on very many levels from big things down

00:10:13 ◼   ► to very minor things yeah that is

00:10:15 ◼   ► actually my very first note is related

00:10:19 ◼   ► to something that happens in the

00:10:20 ◼   ► beginning of me I feel like is I know

00:10:21 ◼   ► what this is gonna pay yeah

00:10:23 ◼   ► it's an hour our universe moment era

00:10:25 ◼   ► anyway before we get into all the the

00:10:28 ◼   ► point-by-point hmm odd man winching yeah

00:10:31 ◼   ► what's big picture from grey what

00:10:32 ◼   ► context should I be hearing your

00:10:34 ◼   ► thoughts in yeah so to back up I think

00:10:39 ◼   ► it's interesting that I went into this

00:10:40 ◼   ► movie totally spoiler free because I

00:10:45 ◼   ► didn't spend any real energy this year

00:10:49 ◼   ► trying to avoid Star Wars boilers I was

00:10:53 ◼   ► aware in previous movies feeling like I

00:10:55 ◼   ► was trying to avoid stuff and failing

00:10:57 ◼   ► maybe because a podcast co-host made me

00:11:00 ◼   ► watch a trailer or because people just

00:11:02 ◼   ► wanted to talk about a thing and I would

00:11:03 ◼   ► see it

00:11:04 ◼   ► I don't know what that does an

00:11:05 ◼   ► indication of but I just think it is

00:11:07 ◼   ► interesting that I didn't feel like I

00:11:09 ◼   ► needed to try to avoid anything and I

00:11:12 ◼   ► walked into the movie just totally cold

00:11:13 ◼   ► I hadn't even seen the poster of the

00:11:15 ◼   ► movie right I don't know if that is just

00:11:18 ◼   ► our world getting much better with

00:11:19 ◼   ► spoiler culture which I would hope they

00:11:22 ◼   ► would give me a spark of hope Brady if

00:11:24 ◼   ► our culture is getting much better about

00:11:26 ◼   ► spoilers or if it was just a kind of

00:11:28 ◼   ► like weird indifference on my part I

00:11:31 ◼   ► don't know I just think it's no worthy

00:11:32 ◼   ► okay but so when you say meh I think

00:11:39 ◼   ► that there is there is something I have

00:11:42 ◼   ► that as a parallel feeling which I had

00:11:45 ◼   ► after our last year special which is

00:11:47 ◼   ► this feeling that there is now going to

00:11:50 ◼   ► be Star Wars forever mm-hmm and this has

00:11:54 ◼   ► changed something and also a thing that

00:12:00 ◼   ► over the course of our podcasts I've

00:12:02 ◼   ► been mentioning a little bit more and

00:12:03 ◼   ► more is that like the changing industry

00:12:05 ◼   ► of how these things aren't produced and

00:12:07 ◼   ► it's like a background radiation in my

00:12:09 ◼   ► mind that I kind of can't get rid of the

00:12:12 ◼   ► like our universe concerns about

00:12:15 ◼   ► cinematic universes and how our movies

00:12:18 ◼   ► made and especially how our long mega

00:12:21 ◼   ► series may like what is the mechanics of

00:12:23 ◼   ► this I've had conversations with people

00:12:25 ◼   ► like in the industry looking at the

00:12:27 ◼   ► horrible sausage behind all of it and I

00:12:29 ◼   ► do feel like that has polluted my mind a

00:12:31 ◼   ► little bit that is the background as for

00:12:35 ◼   ► this movie this movie to me was

00:12:40 ◼   ► Spaceballs the movie I feel like I had a

00:12:43 ◼   ► little bit of a rollercoaster with this

00:12:45 ◼   ► movie where I felt like things were

00:12:47 ◼   ► tonally off for a while like I couldn't

00:12:50 ◼   ► quite get into it for a bunch of reasons

00:12:51 ◼   ► we'll get into and then at some point it

00:12:55 ◼   ► just kind of clicked in my head that

00:12:56 ◼   ► this feels like the people who made

00:12:58 ◼   ► Spaceballs wanted to make a really

00:13:01 ◼   ► serious Star Wars movie and they mostly

00:13:03 ◼   ► did it but there's like a Spaceballs

00:13:05 ◼   ► enos leaking through and when that

00:13:08 ◼   ► clicked in my head I actually enjoyed

00:13:10 ◼   ► the movie more like my expectations went

00:13:12 ◼   ► from nothing to really low and then I

00:13:15 ◼   ► felt like oh I can kind of enjoy this

00:13:17 ◼   ► movie

00:13:18 ◼   ► but then I have the same kind of

00:13:20 ◼   ► problems as you like I found it sort of

00:13:21 ◼   ► boring this is sort of unintentionally

00:13:25 ◼   ► funny through my eyes I enjoyed watching

00:13:29 ◼   ► it more than rogue one which I really

00:13:32 ◼   ► didn't like but I don't think it's a

00:13:33 ◼   ► very good movie and I think that this

00:13:36 ◼   ► has now reached the point where it

00:13:38 ◼   ► doesn't feel like Star Wars anymore and

00:13:41 ◼   ► a lot of my notes are trying to figure

00:13:43 ◼   ► out like what has occurred so that's my

00:13:47 ◼   ► overall feeling of the movie ok can have

00:13:49 ◼   ► a lot of upset people out there

00:13:51 ◼   ► yeah ok so now you're making me nervous

00:13:53 ◼   ► do you think that the fan consensus is

00:13:55 ◼   ► that people liked it this is what I've

00:13:57 ◼   ► heard oh no Brian I've seen is that

00:13:59 ◼   ► critics quite liked the film ok but a

00:14:02 ◼   ► lot of Star Wars fans have a mmmm that

00:14:05 ◼   ► actually could work with some of what

00:14:07 ◼   ► you just said but that could work for us

00:14:09 ◼   ► I really am still getting messages and

00:14:11 ◼   ► feedback from people who want to

00:14:12 ◼   ► violently disagree with me about rip 1

00:14:14 ◼   ► let's talk about rogue one at the end

00:14:15 ◼   ► because I'm one of them and this film

00:14:17 ◼   ► has changed me even more about rogue a

00:14:19 ◼   ► but that's my final point I'd like to

00:14:21 ◼   ► discuss carry and so let's do with the

00:14:22 ◼   ► film at hand and can I start at the very

00:14:24 ◼   ► beginning it please go right ahead

00:14:26 ◼   ► because the last few Star Wars films

00:14:28 ◼   ► that I've seen particularly force

00:14:31 ◼   ► awakens that moment when you have the

00:14:35 ◼   ► Silence of Lucasfilm and then there's a

00:14:38 ◼   ► yeah this and the Star Wars comes up in

00:14:40 ◼   ► the fan fairy like I got tingles when

00:14:43 ◼   ► that happened previous times like it's I

00:14:46 ◼   ► think probably even happened when the

00:14:47 ◼   ► prequels came out it was like yeah Star

00:14:49 ◼   ► Wars his back and it caused a real

00:14:50 ◼   ► excitement this time and I don't know

00:14:53 ◼   ► maybe it was my mood I don't know this

00:14:55 ◼   ► time for the first time I found a bit

00:14:59 ◼   ► cringy hmm I was like waiting for it to

00:15:01 ◼   ► happen and then when it finally happened

00:15:03 ◼   ► bang like I was sort of waiting for the

00:15:05 ◼   ► big loud nor is I don't know if camp is

00:15:07 ◼   ► the word but it felt like like a parody

00:15:10 ◼   ► of itself it's like I bet they had a big

00:15:13 ◼   ► loud noise at the start of Spaceballs

00:15:14 ◼   ► right yeah it felt like a bit of a joke

00:15:17 ◼   ► of itself this time this was at a point

00:15:19 ◼   ► where I was completely neutral about how

00:15:21 ◼   ► good or bad the film was gonna be mm-hmm

00:15:22 ◼   ► but I didn't get that feeling this time

00:15:24 ◼   ► this time I felt a bit embarrassed by

00:15:26 ◼   ► mhm and I don't know if it's because

00:15:28 ◼   ► it's being overused and it's now it's

00:15:30 ◼   ► not special anymore

00:15:32 ◼   ► explain it but that's the feeling I had

00:15:34 ◼   ► I was like wow through the literal first

00:15:37 ◼   ► note I kind of winced I don't know what

00:15:41 ◼   ► it was I'm sorry this is what happened

00:15:43 ◼   ► the first day I'm still worked on me

00:15:44 ◼   ► we're just like yeah

00:15:48 ◼   ► and then we had the traditional pan down

00:15:51 ◼   ► and for the first time in a while they

00:15:53 ◼   ► didn't try to be overly creative with it

00:15:54 ◼   ► they just went pretty standard which was

00:15:56 ◼   ► yeah it was nice

00:15:57 ◼   ► there's a nice change up so the thing

00:16:00 ◼   ► that you might expect is my first note

00:16:02 ◼   ► on this is

00:16:04 ◼   ► Spaceballs the phone call where we see

00:16:07 ◼   ► our first order ships in the sky they're

00:16:10 ◼   ► chasing the resistance you know like the

00:16:13 ◼   ► classic Star Wars set up there's a chase

00:16:15 ◼   ► between this the ships and then a single

00:16:17 ◼   ► fighter appears with PO right that's the

00:16:19 ◼   ► guy's name and he's like stalling for

00:16:22 ◼   ► time and he calls the lead ship he's

00:16:25 ◼   ► calling general Hux and yeah it's like

00:16:29 ◼   ► okay your movie is opening dramatic

00:16:31 ◼   ► scene and they start off with a joke

00:16:34 ◼   ► which is essentially a joke about like

00:16:37 ◼   ► facetiming with your mom a little bit

00:16:39 ◼   ► yeah mobile phone reception not quite

00:16:42 ◼   ► working yeah it's like oh he's calling

00:16:43 ◼   ► for general Hux and like Poe is messing

00:16:47 ◼   ► with him right he's pretending that he

00:16:49 ◼   ► can't hear the guy to like wind him up

00:16:51 ◼   ► and it's like okay I can kind of go

00:16:53 ◼   ► along with that like a version of this

00:16:55 ◼   ► that I think worked was in the the first

00:16:57 ◼   ► movie in his first appearance he makes

00:17:01 ◼   ► fun of kylos helmet right like you're

00:17:03 ◼   ► talking yeah he's like I can't hear you

00:17:05 ◼   ► with that hump like and he makes a joke

00:17:06 ◼   ► of it that's like okay but this is

00:17:07 ◼   ► totally in character but the thing that

00:17:09 ◼   ► bothered me was not so much the joke

00:17:11 ◼   ► it's the script language right he says

00:17:14 ◼   ► I'm holding for general Hux and he says

00:17:18 ◼   ► okay I'll like I'll hold I'm still on

00:17:21 ◼   ► hold and maybe it's just a minor thing

00:17:23 ◼   ► but that just really cook lokes wrong in

00:17:26 ◼   ► my brain with the language like it's the

00:17:29 ◼   ► laker yeah it's the laking that's gonna

00:17:30 ◼   ► come up again and again it's the leaking

00:17:32 ◼   ► of our galaxy into their galaxy that

00:17:35 ◼   ► might sound like a minor thing but I

00:17:36 ◼   ► really do think it matters hmm it's like

00:17:39 ◼   ► how do you maintain a suspension of

00:17:41 ◼   ► disbelief suspension of disbelief breaks

00:17:44 ◼   ► you see the reality of the thing too

00:17:46 ◼   ► clearly and this is one of those moments

00:17:48 ◼   ► like using this language to say like I

00:17:52 ◼   ► am on hold I know can you hear me can

00:17:54 ◼   ► you hear me and okay I know exactly what

00:17:56 ◼   ► we're doing we're doing the thing that

00:17:57 ◼   ► I've done a million times like talking

00:17:59 ◼   ► on cell phones or whatever then they

00:18:01 ◼   ► sort of go back into it but he makes a

00:18:02 ◼   ► joke about like oh I have an urgent

00:18:03 ◼   ► message for general Hux mother yeah okay

00:18:06 ◼   ► your momager that's what is like is that

00:18:08 ◼   ► okay okay I mean maybe I could have let

00:18:13 ◼   ► that slide but like that combined with

00:18:15 ◼   ► the hold it almost feels like it's tempt

00:18:17 ◼   ► I log that they just left in and there's

00:18:20 ◼   ► another theme which i think is going to

00:18:22 ◼   ► come up from me again and again is aside

00:18:24 ◼   ► from the real world leaking into the

00:18:25 ◼   ► Star Wars world

00:18:26 ◼   ► I think somebody had a directive in this

00:18:31 ◼   ► movie to not let any serious scene hold

00:18:36 ◼   ► so over and over in this movie they have

00:18:39 ◼   ► serious scene and they like end it with

00:18:43 ◼   ► a joke or they have to have a joke that

00:18:45 ◼   ► like breaks the tension too soon is like

00:18:48 ◼   ► over and over and over again that's a

00:18:50 ◼   ► thing that happens and I feel like this

00:18:52 ◼   ► was again like right off the bat I felt

00:18:54 ◼   ► a little bit off-kilter that was a

00:18:56 ◼   ► little bit in disbelief at the the

00:18:58 ◼   ► opening mood setting joke of the movie

00:19:01 ◼   ► and so it continues on from here it's

00:19:04 ◼   ► soso seems to me very much like people

00:19:07 ◼   ► have said one of the things that worked

00:19:09 ◼   ► so well in the force awakens was the use

00:19:12 ◼   ► of humor right and it was there were so

00:19:13 ◼   ► many funny moments in the force awakens

00:19:15 ◼   ► that were just done perfectly they just

00:19:17 ◼   ► got it right and it feels like they were

00:19:19 ◼   ► over encouraged by that and someone said

00:19:22 ◼   ► oh okay this is how this works now I

00:19:24 ◼   ► have to be funny and it's a bit like you

00:19:26 ◼   ► know how when a little kid does

00:19:27 ◼   ► something funny and everyone says are

00:19:29 ◼   ► you're really funny little kid and then

00:19:30 ◼   ► the kids are starts doing it too much

00:19:32 ◼   ► and it's not really funny anymore but

00:19:33 ◼   ► they get encouraged cuz the adults think

00:19:35 ◼   ► they're good and funny are you've given

00:19:36 ◼   ► them positive feedback and now they

00:19:37 ◼   ► start like humor babbling in every

00:19:40 ◼   ► direction waiting to see what they hit

00:19:42 ◼   ► on yeah that's what's happened here it's

00:19:44 ◼   ► like they've got to encouraged by all

00:19:45 ◼   ► the positive feedback about the humor in

00:19:47 ◼   ► the force awakens and now they're going

00:19:48 ◼   ► oh let's do it let's and it's like no no

00:19:50 ◼   ► no no no you got to dial that back you

00:19:53 ◼   ► know yeah and it's also in the case of

00:19:55 ◼   ► explicit jokes

00:19:57 ◼   ► as opposed to humor coming from a

00:19:59 ◼   ► situation and it is like okay I can see

00:20:02 ◼   ► someone like put the joke in here and

00:20:05 ◼   ► then yeah okay alright well let's get

00:20:09 ◼   ► into this space battle then shall we

00:20:11 ◼   ► another comment I've got early on and

00:20:13 ◼   ► it's another thing that happens early in

00:20:14 ◼   ► the film and another criticism of the

00:20:16 ◼   ► film it sort of goes away eventually but

00:20:18 ◼   ► it is it happens too much that is the

00:20:20 ◼   ► film is too slapstick mm-hmm like Finn

00:20:24 ◼   ► falling out of his bed and his water

00:20:26 ◼   ► suit leaking everywhere very weird like

00:20:28 ◼   ► there are quite a few moments that felt

00:20:30 ◼   ► too slapstick and like the film was not

00:20:33 ◼   ► taking itself seriously and I'm like the

00:20:36 ◼   ► time that happens this is a serious

00:20:38 ◼   ► battle and thousands of lives seem to be

00:20:41 ◼   ► at stake and we're having like Joe key

00:20:44 ◼   ► moments walking around with water

00:20:45 ◼   ► leaking out that's supposed to be this

00:20:47 ◼   ► is like yeah Three Stooges this is

00:20:50 ◼   ► classic I don't know I felt like the

00:20:51 ◼   ► film was not serious enough a lot of the

00:20:54 ◼   ► time there's a couple of space battle so

00:20:56 ◼   ► I can't quite place which one this

00:20:57 ◼   ► happens and but I think a good example

00:20:59 ◼   ► of that like okay so so Finn wakes up

00:21:01 ◼   ► and he's in a comical water leaking out

00:21:03 ◼   ► bag that makes no sense at all to think

00:21:06 ◼   ► about it for two seconds there's also a

00:21:07 ◼   ► scene in the movie where Poe is running

00:21:10 ◼   ► to his x-wing because he wants to go

00:21:12 ◼   ► save the day and the whole hangar filled

00:21:15 ◼   ► with several dozens of people explodes

00:21:17 ◼   ► like and he's knocked out of the hangar

00:21:19 ◼   ► and it's a bad moment but they

00:21:21 ◼   ► immediately follow it up with like a

00:21:22 ◼   ► physical gag about bb-8 reattaching his

00:21:26 ◼   ► head like how does bb-8 head

00:21:27 ◼   ► magnetically reattached and that's again

00:21:30 ◼   ► the kind of thing where i just feel like

00:21:32 ◼   ► you're undercutting these moments and i

00:21:35 ◼   ► it happened so much I think it's on

00:21:37 ◼   ► purpose and is like don't focus too much

00:21:39 ◼   ► on everybody who just lost their lives

00:21:41 ◼   ► we want to immediately plant the

00:21:43 ◼   ► question of how does bb-8 reattach his

00:21:45 ◼   ► head and the answer is in a slightly

00:21:47 ◼   ► humorous manner that's how he does so

00:21:49 ◼   ► like just forget about that entire cargo

00:21:51 ◼   ► bay filled with rebels that just got

00:21:52 ◼   ► blown up sort of reasonably early in the

00:21:54 ◼   ► film we go to luke skywalker island and

00:21:57 ◼   ► this was another place which i had a few

00:22:00 ◼   ► good notes about i don't know how long

00:22:01 ◼   ► we're gonna talk about this blue milk

00:22:04 ◼   ► teat saying oh god it's really gross

00:22:07 ◼   ► we're just not gonna talk about that

00:22:08 ◼   ► because that was just dumb

00:22:10 ◼   ► unnecessary it's an example of the movie

00:22:12 ◼   ► feeling like it needs to do a thing this

00:22:14 ◼   ► is also now like okay so we are

00:22:16 ◼   ► depending on how you want to count it

00:22:18 ◼   ► right we're either five or eight movies

00:22:20 ◼   ► in and the movie feeling like it needs

00:22:23 ◼   ► to have the beats every time and it

00:22:26 ◼   ► starts getting weird or like you just

00:22:28 ◼   ► don't want those beats anymore as like

00:22:31 ◼   ► okay we're gonna have to have blue milk

00:22:32 ◼   ► oh we're going to have to have poor

00:22:34 ◼   ► Porkins dies every time immediately in

00:22:37 ◼   ► his ex Wang like every movie he's there

00:22:39 ◼   ► just eternally dying and this one with

00:22:41 ◼   ► the blue milk was just so weird it's a

00:22:45 ◼   ► moment where again what I was wondering

00:22:47 ◼   ► is like has anybody in the Star Wars

00:22:49 ◼   ► universe ever called it milk or is that

00:22:51 ◼   ► just what the fans referred to it as and

00:22:54 ◼   ► then the studio executives are going

00:22:56 ◼   ► Opie blue milk let's keep going with

00:22:58 ◼   ► this and now let's really show that it's

00:23:00 ◼   ► actually milk from this disgusting semi

00:23:04 ◼   ► humanoid creature it was really

00:23:07 ◼   ► unnecessary you know at least I was a

00:23:09 ◼   ► special guy I shouldn't have to say him

00:23:12 ◼   ► milking the teat of some weird monster

00:23:16 ◼   ► and then have blue milk all coming dead

00:23:18 ◼   ► it's disgusting

00:23:20 ◼   ► it gives ray a look like he's doing it

00:23:23 ◼   ► on purpose to be gross which makes the

00:23:25 ◼   ► whole scene even weirder yeah it's okay

00:23:30 ◼   ► I mean just imagine Brady when you were

00:23:32 ◼   ► a little boy in watching Star Wars and

00:23:33 ◼   ► they said don't worry someday forty

00:23:35 ◼   ► years in the future there will be new

00:23:37 ◼   ► Star Wars movies and you'll get to see

00:23:38 ◼   ► the further adventures of Luke what will

00:23:40 ◼   ► he be doing he'll be milking a sort of

00:23:42 ◼   ► cow creature and getting milk all down

00:23:46 ◼   ► his beard that's what he'll be doing

00:23:47 ◼   ► there was also a moment early on on Luke

00:23:49 ◼   ► Skywalker Island where we see another

00:23:52 ◼   ► moment of our galaxy leaking into their

00:23:55 ◼   ► galaxy in a really matter way that made

00:23:58 ◼   ► me even more uncomfortable than the

00:23:59 ◼   ► other ways and that was when Luke

00:24:01 ◼   ► Skywalker dismissively referred to laser

00:24:04 ◼   ► sword yeah yeah instead of a lightsaber

00:24:07 ◼   ► that's like a way that Star Wars fans

00:24:09 ◼   ► would de ride muggles because they don't

00:24:12 ◼   ► know what a lightsaber is and they just

00:24:13 ◼   ► say laser Sun and Luke Skywalker was

00:24:15 ◼   ► using that terminology to to ride people

00:24:18 ◼   ► for not understanding Jedi's it's just

00:24:20 ◼   ► too meta for me it was like it just

00:24:21 ◼   ► really took me out of everything

00:24:23 ◼   ► hang on this is weird Luke Skywalker

00:24:25 ◼   ► shouldn't say laser sword I don't know

00:24:27 ◼   ► if I'm right about that but I feel like

00:24:28 ◼   ► there's a Lucas ISM fair that like

00:24:30 ◼   ► George Lucas would call them laser

00:24:31 ◼   ► swords as a joke and then this becomes

00:24:33 ◼   ► the thing but there are so many times in

00:24:35 ◼   ► the movie where I found myself running

00:24:37 ◼   ► this metacognition loop of like has

00:24:39 ◼   ► anyone in Star Wars ever said the word

00:24:40 ◼   ► laser and it's like yeah no okay they

00:24:42 ◼   ► have said the word laser so it's not

00:24:43 ◼   ► unreasonable that he would use the word

00:24:45 ◼   ► laser sort in a jokey way I was like why

00:24:47 ◼   ► am i running this loop in my head at all

00:24:48 ◼   ► trying to like cast back yeah and it's

00:24:50 ◼   ► because I'm constantly presented with

00:24:53 ◼   ► things that feel unstart Z and I'm

00:24:56 ◼   ► trying to like back fit against the

00:24:58 ◼   ► original holy trilogy this is what's

00:25:00 ◼   ► occurring and I think that the movie

00:25:02 ◼   ► even in a meta way is again in this

00:25:05 ◼   ► distracting way talking directly to the

00:25:08 ◼   ► audience where they have this recurring

00:25:09 ◼   ► theme of like let old things die right

00:25:12 ◼   ► like let Luke Skywalker die like let the

00:25:14 ◼   ► Empire die like I feel like you're

00:25:16 ◼   ► talking directly to me director in a way

00:25:19 ◼   ► that is also uncomfortable just

00:25:22 ◼   ► constantly running this meta loop of

00:25:24 ◼   ► like what is this movie doing I was very

00:25:27 ◼   ► aware of that as a theme in the movie

00:25:28 ◼   ► like let the old things go it maybe what

00:25:31 ◼   ► I have a feeling like there was some

00:25:32 ◼   ► kind of director disagreement between

00:25:34 ◼   ► this movie and the force awakens but we

00:25:36 ◼   ► can get to that at a later point Iran

00:25:38 ◼   ► this time by the way there is one saying

00:25:40 ◼   ► that was almost a nice saying and then

00:25:43 ◼   ► that got ruined by something that just

00:25:45 ◼   ► didn't sit right with me and that's when

00:25:46 ◼   ► Luke goes into the cockpit of the

00:25:49 ◼   ► Millennium Falcon and like switches on

00:25:51 ◼   ► the lights yeah but for a moment this is

00:25:53 ◼   ► great moment where you see this classic

00:25:55 ◼   ► old cockpit and there's Luke now you

00:25:57 ◼   ► know ravaged by time and for a few

00:26:00 ◼   ► seconds it was really poignant and I

00:26:01 ◼   ► thought now that's working for me yeah

00:26:02 ◼   ► and then they went and did this dice on

00:26:05 ◼   ► the dashboard thing which becomes this

00:26:07 ◼   ► important han Solo memento which I've

00:26:11 ◼   ► researched a bit since but really

00:26:13 ◼   ► they're trying to manufacture a hand so

00:26:16 ◼   ► they are object here that is really

00:26:18 ◼   ► scraping the bottom of the barrel and it

00:26:20 ◼   ► never worked with me through the film it

00:26:22 ◼   ► was supposed to be this special item

00:26:23 ◼   ► that touched us at multiple points

00:26:25 ◼   ► through the film but it didn't land with

00:26:27 ◼   ► me yeah well Luke Skywalker island is a

00:26:30 ◼   ► weird place especially on the second

00:26:32 ◼   ► rewatch because I was aware of being

00:26:34 ◼   ► confused of the timeline a little bit in

00:26:35 ◼   ► the first one like how

00:26:37 ◼   ► long does Ray spend on Luke Skywalker

00:26:40 ◼   ► Highland how long is she there getting

00:26:43 ◼   ► training I don't think she was very

00:26:45 ◼   ► trained I think it was more of a tent or

00:26:47 ◼   ► yeah like I'll put training in quotes

00:26:50 ◼   ► right but I was looking at it and it's

00:26:52 ◼   ► like okay at a bare minimum she's there

00:26:54 ◼   ► for three days

00:26:57 ◼   ► if the day/night cycle is to be believed

00:26:59 ◼   ► on this planet but the way the movie is

00:27:02 ◼   ► cut like what's happening on Luke

00:27:03 ◼   ► Skywalker Island is cut with the main

00:27:08 ◼   ► storyline in a way that they can't be

00:27:10 ◼   ► happening at the same time you're seeing

00:27:13 ◼   ► Luke Skywalker Island in a compressed

00:27:16 ◼   ► format while the main plot is is going

00:27:20 ◼   ► on I mentioned she was there for a few

00:27:21 ◼   ► weeks for some reason but who knows how

00:27:23 ◼   ► long she was there but she's trying like

00:27:24 ◼   ► what is the minimum because the first

00:27:26 ◼   ► time I was watching it I had it a little

00:27:28 ◼   ► bit messed up in my head and I was

00:27:29 ◼   ► thinking okay

00:27:30 ◼   ► there's this space chase going on and

00:27:32 ◼   ► she she's just arrived but the space

00:27:34 ◼   ► chase maybe lasted like 18 hours so like

00:27:36 ◼   ► what was she there for three hours how

00:27:37 ◼   ► Luke Skywalker Island like you know got

00:27:39 ◼   ► an inspiring talk and then headed back

00:27:41 ◼   ► she was clearly there for a little while

00:27:43 ◼   ► longer

00:27:44 ◼   ► hmm I don't know how did you feel about

00:27:46 ◼   ► seeing Luke again I felt similar to how

00:27:49 ◼   ► I felt about layer in the force awakens

00:27:51 ◼   ► like it's almost the toll that Age has

00:27:55 ◼   ► taken on the actors is so great and

00:28:00 ◼   ► shocking mm-hmm that it's very hard to

00:28:03 ◼   ► slip back into the film hmm you're

00:28:07 ◼   ► thinking Carrie Fisher Mark Hamill

00:28:10 ◼   ► no it's been 40 years and I'm thinking

00:28:13 ◼   ► how old is Mark Hamill now he must have

00:28:15 ◼   ► been about a tonne when you vote doing

00:28:18 ◼   ► that math in your head yeah instead of

00:28:20 ◼   ► like being lost in the film and the

00:28:21 ◼   ► magic of Luke Skywalker I'm thinking you

00:28:23 ◼   ► know gosh you know he looks like a hobo

00:28:25 ◼   ► and more like he seems like a fun guy

00:28:29 ◼   ► online and you know he's pitiful legend

00:28:32 ◼   ► of course he's a legend of my childhood

00:28:33 ◼   ► but mmm I don't know

00:28:35 ◼   ► maybe you know some things are best left

00:28:37 ◼   ► as golden memories haven't tarnished I

00:28:41 ◼   ► was very distracted by his appearance

00:28:42 ◼   ► throughout the lil I found it very

00:28:45 ◼   ► distracting what about you I think I

00:28:47 ◼   ► just had a little bit of a hard time

00:28:49 ◼   ► buying Luke

00:28:50 ◼   ► mentor I think you have to do a lot of

00:28:52 ◼   ► like mental backfilling in of what has

00:28:54 ◼   ► occurred over this period of time mm-hmm

00:28:57 ◼   ► but there is something in my mind which

00:28:58 ◼   ► is disjointed where it's like oh the

00:29:00 ◼   ► last time I saw Luke he was still kind

00:29:02 ◼   ► of like a you know a kid with some

00:29:03 ◼   ► tousled hair and he was also like

00:29:05 ◼   ► everyone talks about how he's the great

00:29:06 ◼   ► master but even like at the end of

00:29:09 ◼   ► Return of the Jedi when he like saved

00:29:10 ◼   ► the galaxy on the Death Star and all

00:29:12 ◼   ► that he still kind of flipped it and he

00:29:14 ◼   ► was a bit young it's a major plot point

00:29:16 ◼   ► in those movies that he is ridiculously

00:29:18 ◼   ► underprepared for what he's doing right

00:29:21 ◼   ► they pulled it out by the skin of their

00:29:23 ◼   ► teeth and he's not some amazing Jedi

00:29:26 ◼   ► Master at the end of that movie no he's

00:29:28 ◼   ► not like Yoda and stuff like he's not

00:29:30 ◼   ► top level he's just like a he just got

00:29:32 ◼   ► lucky in the Super Bowl

00:29:33 ◼   ► got a fluky touchdown at the end yeah

00:29:36 ◼   ► and the entirety of that great victory

00:29:38 ◼   ► was undone in the preceding times we can

00:29:41 ◼   ► have another sequence of movies but yeah

00:29:43 ◼   ► there was something about him in the

00:29:44 ◼   ► like oh you're going to be obi-wan

00:29:46 ◼   ► Kenobi role then I felt like I don't

00:29:48 ◼   ► know I just I had a little bit of a hard

00:29:50 ◼   ► time buying him as the mentor I know he

00:29:52 ◼   ► ran this temple and everything went

00:29:54 ◼   ► wrong with kylo Ren but we've seen so

00:29:56 ◼   ► little of that that it's it's just like

00:29:57 ◼   ► oh you're just telling me stories about

00:29:59 ◼   ► one hurt although I do have to say that

00:30:01 ◼   ► as a small detail I did like that they

00:30:03 ◼   ► flashback to the event like the pivotal

00:30:06 ◼   ► night when kylo Ren and Luke Skywalker

00:30:09 ◼   ► have a fight in the whole temple burns

00:30:10 ◼   ► down I did like what you know because of

00:30:12 ◼   ► my obsession with you can't trust your

00:30:13 ◼   ► memories I liked how they showed that

00:30:15 ◼   ► scene three different ways depending on

00:30:18 ◼   ► the person who was telling the story

00:30:20 ◼   ► yeah like when kylo Ren remembers the

00:30:22 ◼   ► moment like Luke's eyes ever are filled

00:30:23 ◼   ► with rage I can use and he's coming down

00:30:25 ◼   ► like I thought that was quite nice

00:30:26 ◼   ► because that just illustrates a thing

00:30:28 ◼   ► that happens in real life like people

00:30:30 ◼   ► remember things differently and it like

00:30:32 ◼   ► you keep remembering and it gets built

00:30:33 ◼   ► up in different ways and it did make me

00:30:36 ◼   ► somewhat not trust Luke's retelling of

00:30:38 ◼   ► the version of what happened it's just

00:30:41 ◼   ► like there was a thing that happened a

00:30:42 ◼   ► long time ago and like who knows now

00:30:43 ◼   ► what the real events were so while we're

00:30:45 ◼   ► still on Luke Skywalker Island what are

00:30:48 ◼   ► your thoughts about the helpers he has

00:30:49 ◼   ► that do all like the construction work

00:30:51 ◼   ► and also the cute little Audrey's that

00:30:53 ◼   ► run all around the island okay so the

00:30:56 ◼   ► frog nuns who live on that island mhm

00:30:59 ◼   ► that to me was laughable

00:31:02 ◼   ► that was really I think when like the

00:31:04 ◼   ► Spaceballs was entering my brain is it's

00:31:07 ◼   ► just like this is weird

00:31:08 ◼   ► and the way they cut to them like they

00:31:11 ◼   ► just pop out of nowhere it seems like Oh

00:31:13 ◼   ► suddenly there's a bunch of helper frog

00:31:14 ◼   ► nuns on this island there's terrible

00:31:16 ◼   ► there should have been no one because

00:31:18 ◼   ► the first time I saw those stone huts I

00:31:20 ◼   ► was just imagining Luke building them

00:31:22 ◼   ► over 20 or 30 years and yeah this could

00:31:24 ◼   ► have existence that he'd been having and

00:31:25 ◼   ► I quite liked that I quite liked the

00:31:27 ◼   ► thought that he's just there alone

00:31:28 ◼   ► tending to these huts and fighting the

00:31:30 ◼   ► elements and all of a sudden we've got

00:31:32 ◼   ► all these like assistants and helpers

00:31:34 ◼   ► yeah he has a bunch of maids like doing

00:31:37 ◼   ► the laundry or whatever they're up to it

00:31:39 ◼   ► was very weird because yeah it's a much

00:31:41 ◼   ► better thing if he's there on his own

00:31:43 ◼   ► like losing his mind a little bit or

00:31:46 ◼   ► becoming really detached yeah it's gone

00:31:49 ◼   ► from having banished himself to a rocky

00:31:51 ◼   ► island sort of for the sake of the

00:31:53 ◼   ► galaxy to him going to a resort in go

00:31:56 ◼   ► away or he's on a Greek isle somewhere

00:31:58 ◼   ► in a convent and as I was the most

00:32:01 ◼   ► unfindable place in the universe but

00:32:03 ◼   ► there's a bunch of nuns here you know

00:32:04 ◼   ► and like they must have some kind of

00:32:06 ◼   ► interaction with the outside like it was

00:32:07 ◼   ► very weird and I hated them I thought

00:32:10 ◼   ► they looked comical they just look

00:32:12 ◼   ► stupid they looked prequel yeah I don't

00:32:15 ◼   ► know if I would say that cuz I bet

00:32:18 ◼   ► though those are physical costumes yeah

00:32:20 ◼   ► yeah but they looked like space balls to

00:32:22 ◼   ► me right like if space balls had to make

00:32:24 ◼   ► up what you're gonna have in a convent

00:32:25 ◼   ► this is what you would do and they are

00:32:28 ◼   ► another example of a scene that I

00:32:30 ◼   ► thought was like oh here's a scene that

00:32:32 ◼   ► is actually pulling at me a little bit

00:32:34 ◼   ► which is Luke Skywalker is not training

00:32:37 ◼   ► Rey she decides that she's essentially

00:32:39 ◼   ► going to be training herself so in the

00:32:41 ◼   ► morning while she's practicing her

00:32:42 ◼   ► fighting with her staff she takes out

00:32:44 ◼   ► the lightsaber and she starts fake

00:32:46 ◼   ► attacking this rock outcropping and they

00:32:49 ◼   ► used the Rey theme which I really like I

00:32:51 ◼   ► feel like this is the best music out of

00:32:53 ◼   ► the new movies and Luke is coming up

00:32:55 ◼   ► behind her and he sees that she like she

00:32:57 ◼   ► is going to train herself with or

00:32:59 ◼   ► without his help you know when the music

00:33:01 ◼   ► is swelling and it's and it's all great

00:33:03 ◼   ► and then once again like what happens

00:33:05 ◼   ► here she accidentally cuts the stone

00:33:08 ◼   ► statue in front of her so the stone

00:33:10 ◼   ► rolls down the hill and knocks over a

00:33:13 ◼   ► cart full of laundry from one of these

00:33:15 ◼   ► nuns and then the two nuns look up

00:33:18 ◼   ► her like him there really annoyed and

00:33:19 ◼   ► it's like why did you put in a physical

00:33:22 ◼   ► slapstick joke at what is maybe one of

00:33:26 ◼   ► the more dramatic pivotal scenes that

00:33:29 ◼   ► what the ice is here there's another

00:33:30 ◼   ► great example of that gray about five

00:33:32 ◼   ► minutes before that happens which again

00:33:35 ◼   ► shows this film's inability to have the

00:33:37 ◼   ► comic timing that the previous one had

00:33:39 ◼   ► and that is that important moment when

00:33:42 ◼   ► Ray hands the lightsaber to Luke how

00:33:44 ◼   ► much was the end of the previous film

00:33:46 ◼   ► and we all were dying to know what the

00:33:48 ◼   ► first thing Luke's said or did would be

00:33:49 ◼   ► and he does that you know comic throw it

00:33:52 ◼   ► over my shoulder which I think they

00:33:53 ◼   ► thought would have people like rolling

00:33:54 ◼   ► in the aisles laughing and maybe it

00:33:57 ◼   ► could have worked if the timing was done

00:33:58 ◼   ► better but just the way it was cut and

00:34:00 ◼   ► done was dreadful so I kind of blinked

00:34:04 ◼   ► the first time that that happened the

00:34:06 ◼   ► first on my first viewing and the first

00:34:08 ◼   ► time I saw there were a bunch of people

00:34:09 ◼   ► in the theater and everybody was like

00:34:11 ◼   ► uproariously laughing like guffawing and

00:34:13 ◼   ► Mara and I sort of missed it but I

00:34:17 ◼   ► remember thinking in my head like oh

00:34:18 ◼   ► what a bunch of cretin 'he's like in

00:34:19 ◼   ► this theater like defying at this thing

00:34:21 ◼   ► but then when i was able to watch it

00:34:23 ◼   ► closely the second time like no that was

00:34:24 ◼   ► clearly shot to be a joke yeah like they

00:34:28 ◼   ► said to him toss it over your shoulder

00:34:29 ◼   ► in a funny way it was clearly supposed

00:34:31 ◼   ► to be funny yeah like it was supposed to

00:34:32 ◼   ► be a visual gag but it just like that

00:34:34 ◼   ► was not a time for joking this is such a

00:34:36 ◼   ► moment being reunited with this light

00:34:38 ◼   ► say but ray this character that as

00:34:40 ◼   ► viewers we all completely love meeting

00:34:43 ◼   ► Luke Skywalker for the first time but

00:34:45 ◼   ► this was such a big man's like I've seen

00:34:47 ◼   ► Luke Skywalker throw away a lights or a

00:34:49 ◼   ► light sword great now it's infecting my

00:34:51 ◼   ► brain right obviously Luke Skywalker

00:34:53 ◼   ► throw away a lightsaber in a pretty

00:34:55 ◼   ► dramatic moment previous leaks like Mark

00:34:58 ◼   ► Hamill can do that in an emotional way

00:35:01 ◼   ► but this was played as a laugh and yeah

00:35:04 ◼   ► I don't know I have to look it up I

00:35:06 ◼   ► don't know I'm presuming that JJ Abrams

00:35:08 ◼   ► didn't direct this one that didn't feel

00:35:10 ◼   ► nice okay Ryan

00:35:13 ◼   ► okay but there were a bunch of things

00:35:15 ◼   ► that felt to me in this movie like I

00:35:18 ◼   ► think that there are directors or script

00:35:20 ◼   ► writers having a disagreement with stuff

00:35:23 ◼   ► that was set up in the force awakens and

00:35:25 ◼   ► what is going to happen in this movie

00:35:26 ◼   ► yeah and that lightsaber over the

00:35:29 ◼   ► shoulder is like okay that to me feels

00:35:31 ◼   ► like a

00:35:32 ◼   ► rector is screwing with another director

00:35:33 ◼   ► like oh we're gonna take your dramatic

00:35:35 ◼   ► moment and the hell with it there's a

00:35:37 ◼   ► whole bunch of stuff with like the evil

00:35:40 ◼   ► emperor guy we'll get to it's like that

00:35:41 ◼   ► feels like they just decided to discard

00:35:43 ◼   ► what was happening before there's stuff

00:35:45 ◼   ► with Rey's parents where it's like I

00:35:46 ◼   ► think we're gonna change all of that

00:35:47 ◼   ► there were a whole bunch of things that

00:35:49 ◼   ► just felt like like I can feel the

00:35:51 ◼   ► studio disagreement in the background

00:35:54 ◼   ► about what's going to occur mmm and that

00:35:56 ◼   ► lightsaber throat was was totally one of

00:35:58 ◼   ► those things now other thing on Luke

00:36:00 ◼   ► Skywalker island is okay all of the

00:36:04 ◼   ► little puffin creatures who are around

00:36:06 ◼   ► the Audry's there Audrey stuff they're

00:36:08 ◼   ► not aw dude they're like little puffin

00:36:09 ◼   ► creatures yeah they look nothing like

00:36:10 ◼   ► Audrey battery doesn't thought she does

00:36:13 ◼   ► not look like those little things yeah

00:36:14 ◼   ► they were super cute I sort of didn't

00:36:16 ◼   ► mind then like you good look you need to

00:36:18 ◼   ► have something that's a CGI creature

00:36:20 ◼   ► that you can sell a thousand merchandise

00:36:22 ◼   ► copies up you gotta sell a few fluffy

00:36:24 ◼   ► toys Diane yeah you need in a walk yeah

00:36:26 ◼   ► and that's fine like I have no problem

00:36:27 ◼   ► with that I understand this is how this

00:36:28 ◼   ► works and I thought they were pretty

00:36:30 ◼   ► well done like they're believable cute

00:36:32 ◼   ► little creatures that's fine yeah we're

00:36:34 ◼   ► it felt like the world is leaking in is

00:36:37 ◼   ► the scene where Chewie is going to eat

00:36:39 ◼   ► one of them I can he's cooked it up to

00:36:41 ◼   ► be a perfect little chicken and yeah it

00:36:44 ◼   ► is a cute scene that the little puffin

00:36:47 ◼   ► creatures are all horrified that Chuy's

00:36:48 ◼   ► about to eat one of their own yeah and

00:36:50 ◼   ► they're looking at him with these big

00:36:51 ◼   ► sad eyes it's like that sort of works

00:36:54 ◼   ► for me except that like later in the

00:36:57 ◼   ► movie they make another point with

00:36:58 ◼   ► animals and it it just starts to feel

00:37:01 ◼   ► like I don't know it's just it feels

00:37:03 ◼   ► like something from the outside world is

00:37:05 ◼   ► leaking in here and I'm thinking like

00:37:07 ◼   ► what's chewy supposed to eat like

00:37:08 ◼   ► presumably he didn't hunt down one of

00:37:10 ◼   ► those little creatures just for fun like

00:37:11 ◼   ► I think he hunted it down because he was

00:37:12 ◼   ► hungry like what is he supposed to do

00:37:14 ◼   ► yeah it just rubbed me a little the

00:37:17 ◼   ► wrong way it's like it's a joke oh sorry

00:37:19 ◼   ► the thing they're great is like the

00:37:21 ◼   ► horse had bolted

00:37:22 ◼   ► he's killed and conscience they're

00:37:27 ◼   ► deciding not to eat it like I think it's

00:37:29 ◼   ► tight like yeah I can't imagine them all

00:37:32 ◼   ► there looking thinking I'll go on like

00:37:34 ◼   ► give our friend a break like it's too

00:37:36 ◼   ► late for your friend yeah he's already

00:37:38 ◼   ► gone and actually where there were two

00:37:39 ◼   ► of them cuz there was another one it was

00:37:40 ◼   ► on the fire stuff or there was something

00:37:42 ◼   ► in this moment where it's like maybe

00:37:44 ◼   ► because of other thing

00:37:45 ◼   ► in the movie I felt like my sensitivity

00:37:46 ◼   ► was was turned up a little high but it

00:37:48 ◼   ► felt like one of the script writers was

00:37:50 ◼   ► trying to like get it on record like oh

00:37:52 ◼   ► it's canon now that Chuy's a vegetarian

00:37:54 ◼   ► uh yeah you can't have chewy a

00:37:56 ◼   ► vegetarian his weakness for meat is a

00:37:58 ◼   ► great part of eternal yeah of course you

00:38:01 ◼   ► can't it's ridiculous and again I may be

00:38:03 ◼   ► reading that too far but it's just like

00:38:05 ◼   ► combined with other things I don't think

00:38:08 ◼   ► I am I feel like there was a joke there

00:38:10 ◼   ► about like Oh Chu he's not gonna eat

00:38:11 ◼   ► meat anymore I'm the subject of

00:38:13 ◼   ► Chewbacca just quickly cuz that's my

00:38:15 ◼   ► next note on my list I thought he was

00:38:17 ◼   ► strangely underused and unengaged in

00:38:19 ◼   ► this whole film but he could have just

00:38:21 ◼   ► not been in the film for all I care you

00:38:22 ◼   ► know when when he shows up and Luke goes

00:38:24 ◼   ► Chewie right that was my exact thought

00:38:26 ◼   ► of like hey I totally forgot he were

00:38:28 ◼   ► here what are you doing here buddy he

00:38:30 ◼   ► never really is needed like later on

00:38:34 ◼   ► they give him the Millennium Falcon to

00:38:35 ◼   ► fly a little bit but yeah I think this

00:38:37 ◼   ► is a recurring problem with a bunch of

00:38:39 ◼   ► characters is like they have a bunch of

00:38:41 ◼   ► people who if you think about it don't

00:38:43 ◼   ► really do anything and Chewie is

00:38:46 ◼   ► definitely one of those characters like

00:38:48 ◼   ► he's just there because you need Chewie

00:38:50 ◼   ► to be there in the movie but it doesn't

00:38:52 ◼   ► feel like he's participating in any way

00:38:54 ◼   ► Chewie felt like he did just about as

00:38:57 ◼   ► much as c-3po does like CT Brio is there

00:38:59 ◼   ► but he's not really contributing in any

00:39:01 ◼   ► meaningful way so other things happen on

00:39:03 ◼   ► Luke Skywalker Island throughout the

00:39:05 ◼   ► film so let's deal with some more of

00:39:06 ◼   ► them mmm we've got these Jedi texts in a

00:39:09 ◼   ► tree yeah which seems unnecessary new

00:39:13 ◼   ► items although there's some allusion

00:39:16 ◼   ► later in the film maybe that they're

00:39:17 ◼   ► gonna play a role later I don't know but

00:39:19 ◼   ► we also have this kind of unexpected and

00:39:23 ◼   ► unnecessary appearance of Yoda I mean

00:39:25 ◼   ► either they're like the weird Tree of

00:39:27 ◼   ► Life that has the books in it okay fine

00:39:31 ◼   ► whatever

00:39:32 ◼   ► Luke deciding he's going to be the last

00:39:34 ◼   ► Jedi I think his reasoning seems

00:39:35 ◼   ► confused about that but like okay

00:39:38 ◼   ► whatever he's been living alone on this

00:39:40 ◼   ► island oh wait no he hasn't he's been

00:39:42 ◼   ► tended to by the monks but whatever like

00:39:44 ◼   ► I keep moving

00:39:45 ◼   ► but Yoda showing up for the first little

00:39:48 ◼   ► bit I kind of loved it because it was

00:39:50 ◼   ► the old Yoda it was a good-looking yard

00:39:53 ◼   ► that's one of my positives I said by

00:39:54 ◼   ► this film they got a good Yoda Yoda

00:39:56 ◼   ► didn't look bad

00:39:58 ◼   ► love that he burns down the temple and

00:40:01 ◼   ► when they cut back to Yoda his little

00:40:03 ◼   ► feet are pumping up and down like he is

00:40:06 ◼   ► just like this is the funniest thing in

00:40:08 ◼   ► the world like he has burned down this

00:40:11 ◼   ► thousand generation old Jedi Temple and

00:40:14 ◼   ► totally for the lulz right like that is

00:40:17 ◼   ► a little thing that I genuinely loved is

00:40:19 ◼   ► just that segments of the appearance of

00:40:21 ◼   ► Yoda like a he did nothing else that

00:40:23 ◼   ► would have been perfect

00:40:23 ◼   ► I don't agree well I didn't notice the

00:40:26 ◼   ► little dance that you're referring to

00:40:28 ◼   ► when the movie comes out on blu-ray like

00:40:30 ◼   ► someone's got to make a gift of that for

00:40:31 ◼   ► me he's like peeing his pants with joy

00:40:33 ◼   ► about burning this down just to get

00:40:36 ◼   ► Luke's goat I don't like that he did

00:40:38 ◼   ► that though I didn't like that part of

00:40:39 ◼   ► the film that's when I ceased enjoying

00:40:41 ◼   ► Yoda's appearance one I don't believe

00:40:43 ◼   ► that force ghosts should be able to

00:40:45 ◼   ► intervene in the natural world like that

00:40:47 ◼   ► yeah that is one thing which is a little

00:40:49 ◼   ► bit like new mechanisms in the movie

00:40:51 ◼   ► okay force ghosts can interact with the

00:40:52 ◼   ► real world as interesting and new and

00:40:55 ◼   ► certainly would be useful at certain

00:40:58 ◼   ► circumstances but okay and I also I just

00:41:01 ◼   ► don't like that he did it I don't like

00:41:02 ◼   ► that he baby burn that tree down and

00:41:04 ◼   ► even though I don't care about the tree

00:41:05 ◼   ► or the text like it doesn't seem like

00:41:08 ◼   ► something he should do to teach Luke a

00:41:11 ◼   ► lesson like I don't know it just seemed

00:41:13 ◼   ► out of character I don't mind a bit of

00:41:15 ◼   ► whimsy in my Yoda don't get me wrong but

00:41:18 ◼   ► the actual thing he did saying oh no I

00:41:21 ◼   ► am gonna destroy that tree and burn the

00:41:24 ◼   ► text just so that Luke can have a

00:41:26 ◼   ► learning moment that ruined that Yoda

00:41:29 ◼   ► Center then I was like oh okay

00:41:31 ◼   ► that was weird what I was largely

00:41:33 ◼   ► worried about is what are those porn

00:41:34 ◼   ► nuns gonna think about this

00:41:36 ◼   ► yeah like when there was time in a

00:41:37 ◼   ► thousand generations like presumably it

00:41:39 ◼   ► was those frog nuns who've been

00:41:41 ◼   ► maintaining it for a thousand

00:41:42 ◼   ► generations and like what do they think

00:41:44 ◼   ► about those like ah welp screw them once

00:41:46 ◼   ► again who cares what they think about

00:41:47 ◼   ► this like we're just gonna burn down

00:41:48 ◼   ► their temple like okay we're frogs and I

00:41:52 ◼   ► did have a nice little objectivity

00:41:53 ◼   ► moment they would Luke was showing the

00:41:55 ◼   ► text so ray and he was wearing gloves

00:41:57 ◼   ► and stuff I was like think of my little

00:42:01 ◼   ► moviemaking adventures then was very

00:42:03 ◼   ► objectivity I wouldn't have thought

00:42:04 ◼   ► about that but yes with the gloves even

00:42:07 ◼   ► though that's worse

00:42:10 ◼   ► so the yoader saying I liked their what

00:42:12 ◼   ► you had to look like but it also just

00:42:14 ◼   ► didn't add anything to the film and like

00:42:16 ◼   ► a dist seemed like yeah also one thing

00:42:20 ◼   ► Yoda said I didn't like this is another

00:42:22 ◼   ► leak he called them page turners yeah I

00:42:25 ◼   ► caught that serially I actually kind of

00:42:27 ◼   ► like the joke that Luke hasn't read the

00:42:29 ◼   ► books yeah it's just in character Luke

00:42:31 ◼   ► wouldn't read those books no you're

00:42:33 ◼   ► right that was alright the fact he

00:42:34 ◼   ► hadn't read them was alright but then

00:42:35 ◼   ► when Yoda said page tennis he may as

00:42:37 ◼   ► well have said well they're not exactly

00:42:38 ◼   ► The Da Vinci Code are they ok it's not a

00:42:41 ◼   ► New York Times bestseller is it the

00:42:45 ◼   ► thing that I kept thinking of with that

00:42:46 ◼   ► is there's um I don't mean to bring up

00:42:48 ◼   ► Laurence camp but there's there is a

00:42:50 ◼   ► kind of famous example in The Hobbit

00:42:51 ◼   ► where like someone the things I love

00:42:53 ◼   ► about those books is the languages so it

00:42:55 ◼   ► feels right when he makes like this kind

00:42:58 ◼   ► of continuity error by accident there's

00:43:00 ◼   ► a train that got into the Hobbit because

00:43:02 ◼   ► he describes the dragon at one point in

00:43:04 ◼   ► terms of like a train rushing by I was

00:43:07 ◼   ► like but nowhere else in the book is

00:43:08 ◼   ► there like this modern description of

00:43:10 ◼   ► stuff ok and Yoda saying page turner is

00:43:12 ◼   ► totally one of those things so now I'm

00:43:15 ◼   ► gonna say something here and I'm aware

00:43:17 ◼   ► I'm aware that what I'm doing is setting

00:43:21 ◼   ► up a little bit of a Kafka trap like

00:43:23 ◼   ► we've discussed before where I've said

00:43:25 ◼   ► like no people who think a thing will

00:43:26 ◼   ► think this thing I just wanna get on

00:43:28 ◼   ► record I know that I'm doing this but

00:43:31 ◼   ► there is a thing in is Yoda scene that

00:43:34 ◼   ► fundamentally really bothered me

00:43:36 ◼   ► it's Yoda talking about how failure is

00:43:40 ◼   ► the best teacher right and like failure

00:43:43 ◼   ► is super important hmm and I think this

00:43:48 ◼   ► is there as a kind of pseudo

00:43:50 ◼   ► intellectual skirt that the movie is

00:43:52 ◼   ► wearing for a certain kind of fan

00:43:55 ◼   ► because in this movie which you know if

00:43:59 ◼   ► you're following the traditional

00:44:00 ◼   ► structure of like it was a middle movie

00:44:01 ◼   ► everything is the worst in this movie

00:44:04 ◼   ► almost everything fails and Luke is

00:44:06 ◼   ► talking about how the Jedi have been a

00:44:08 ◼   ► failure like and he's not wrong and the

00:44:11 ◼   ► plans that we're going to talk about

00:44:12 ◼   ► later like they all fail like everything

00:44:14 ◼   ► goes wrong

00:44:15 ◼   ► in this movie and I think that Yoda has

00:44:18 ◼   ► this little speech because it's again

00:44:21 ◼   ► like nudging a certain kind of

00:44:22 ◼   ► fan to say like oh but look that's the

00:44:25 ◼   ► theme of the movies failure rightly this

00:44:28 ◼   ► stuff doesn't make for unappealing

00:44:30 ◼   ► watching just for no reason

00:44:32 ◼   ► the whole point of it is that its

00:44:33 ◼   ► failure like it's a theme do you see

00:44:36 ◼   ► it's a theme for a movie it was just

00:44:39 ◼   ► rubbing me the wrong way because there's

00:44:40 ◼   ► a lot of complaints I have about this

00:44:42 ◼   ► movie in the way it was structured that

00:44:43 ◼   ► I feel like this is acting as a way that

00:44:46 ◼   ► a certain kind of fan can go like oh you

00:44:48 ◼   ► don't get it that's the point of the

00:44:50 ◼   ► movie the point of the movie is that

00:44:52 ◼   ► they failed at these critical junctures

00:44:54 ◼   ► so it felt like Yoda was putting this

00:44:56 ◼   ► there for a certain kind of person to

00:45:00 ◼   ► use as a defense of the movie yeah I

00:45:02 ◼   ► didn't look at it that deeply I just

00:45:03 ◼   ► looked at it as like a corporate cliche

00:45:06 ◼   ► but yeah I freedom to fail and that's

00:45:08 ◼   ► what that was a boy's a big thing at the

00:45:09 ◼   ► BBC when we're being trained to make

00:45:12 ◼   ► films creatively you know must have the

00:45:13 ◼   ► freedom to fail right and by the freedom

00:45:15 ◼   ► to fail we mean we actually want you to

00:45:16 ◼   ► do really well it also struck me as a

00:45:18 ◼   ► little bit of a real-world ism leaking

00:45:20 ◼   ► out because it's it's the same thing in

00:45:21 ◼   ► schools or it's like a you know it's a

00:45:23 ◼   ► real mind virus in Silicon Valley like

00:45:25 ◼   ► oh you got to fail fast failing is just

00:45:27 ◼   ► the best and it's like okay you know is

00:45:29 ◼   ► better than failing is succeeding all

00:45:31 ◼   ► right succeeding is better than failing

00:45:32 ◼   ► yeah but you know whatever

00:45:33 ◼   ► let's leave Luke Skywalker island plays

00:45:36 ◼   ► thank God right we're gonna fly away

00:45:38 ◼   ► like Rey after getting a 20 minute

00:45:41 ◼   ► lesson on what the force is that's also

00:45:44 ◼   ► a joke and it's pointless there's like a

00:45:45 ◼   ► bunch of pointless stuff that happens

00:45:47 ◼   ► but we're gonna skip it yeah I want to

00:45:48 ◼   ► talk about what is now the main plot of

00:45:52 ◼   ► this movie from which everything else is

00:45:54 ◼   ► orbiting mmm all right the main

00:45:56 ◼   ► structure of this movie is the

00:45:59 ◼   ► resistance is in their Corvette and

00:46:01 ◼   ► they're several smaller ships and they

00:46:05 ◼   ► are being chased by the first order yeah

00:46:08 ◼   ► and we have our opening battle which has

00:46:11 ◼   ► some cool stuff

00:46:12 ◼   ► I like the bombers like there's a bunch

00:46:13 ◼   ► of interesting stuff in there those

00:46:14 ◼   ► bombers that gray house slaw with a and

00:46:16 ◼   ► a galaxy where everything moves so quick

00:46:19 ◼   ► guys things are lumbering like tractors

00:46:20 ◼   ► through space they were really slow but

00:46:24 ◼   ► I didn't mind them I thought they were

00:46:25 ◼   ► leaning really hard into like the naval

00:46:28 ◼   ► warfare thing even turning up the dial

00:46:30 ◼   ► with the language like oh we have a

00:46:32 ◼   ► dreadnought like they were really going

00:46:34 ◼   ► for the naval stuff

00:46:35 ◼   ► is there any ship or object in the Star

00:46:38 ◼   ► Wars universe that doesn't have one

00:46:39 ◼   ► glaring weakness that is usually a big

00:46:41 ◼   ► hole that you have to drop something

00:46:43 ◼   ► until you blow it up I really need to

00:46:44 ◼   ► get working on that yeah they do but

00:46:46 ◼   ► like if I'm gonna guess what fans would

00:46:48 ◼   ► be annoyed at is those bombers and they

00:46:50 ◼   ► were the slowest things in the world but

00:46:51 ◼   ► I didn't mind it I like the visuals of

00:46:53 ◼   ► it I like that they were I liked the

00:46:54 ◼   ► bombs yeah all the bombs falling down

00:46:56 ◼   ► looked cool but was making them follow

00:46:57 ◼   ► though if there's no gravity anyway I

00:47:00 ◼   ► assume they were being pushed out it was

00:47:02 ◼   ► a colloquialism that they're saying like

00:47:04 ◼   ► drop the bombs

00:47:04 ◼   ► I didn't take that as a literal the

00:47:06 ◼   ► bombs are dropping because of gravity

00:47:08 ◼   ► they did seem to fold are they there was

00:47:10 ◼   ► a sort of folding 'no stu them as our

00:47:11 ◼   ► folding into a hole but anyway yeah but

00:47:14 ◼   ► I looked go with your people will let us

00:47:16 ◼   ► know that I'm sure there's some Star

00:47:18 ◼   ► Wars Wikipedia article on exactly the

00:47:19 ◼   ► mechanism that those bombs use but the

00:47:21 ◼   ► resistance is trying to escape and they

00:47:23 ◼   ► want to use the usual Star Wars trick

00:47:25 ◼   ► which is we're gonna Lightspeed out of

00:47:27 ◼   ► here and they won't be able to follow us

00:47:30 ◼   ► once we jump to Lightspeed because they

00:47:31 ◼   ► don't know where we went I can't do that

00:47:32 ◼   ► jump to Lightspeed and then minutes

00:47:36 ◼   ► later the first-order reappears and it

00:47:39 ◼   ► is quickly surmised sure how but its

00:47:42 ◼   ► demise it like oh the first order must

00:47:44 ◼   ► have tracked them through Lightspeed and

00:47:47 ◼   ► this is where things start going a

00:47:50 ◼   ► little wonky for me with the fundamental

00:47:52 ◼   ► structure of the movie because first of

00:47:55 ◼   ► all it's like okay we are now

00:47:56 ◼   ► immediately establishing the idea that

00:47:58 ◼   ► you can't track people through

00:47:59 ◼   ► Lightspeed which I felt a bit like okay

00:48:02 ◼   ► I don't remember that it seems like that

00:48:05 ◼   ► would cause some problems in earlier

00:48:06 ◼   ► movies if that wasn't possible but okay

00:48:09 ◼   ► sure I'm happy to go along with this

00:48:11 ◼   ► idea didn't I track the Millennium

00:48:13 ◼   ► Falcon well maybe that is waited till I

00:48:15 ◼   ► got to the other end and then found the

00:48:17 ◼   ► bacon whereas here the problem was they

00:48:18 ◼   ► were following the bacon like in real

00:48:19 ◼   ► time yeah I like I was wondering about

00:48:22 ◼   ► that I'd like to bumpa felt like he

00:48:23 ◼   ► jumps into light speed after the really

00:48:25 ◼   ► fun but like I don't remember exactly

00:48:26 ◼   ► but whatever it's like okay alright in

00:48:28 ◼   ► this universe you're establishing this

00:48:29 ◼   ► is a thing right yeah but then minutes

00:48:33 ◼   ► later they point out that that Leia has

00:48:35 ◼   ► a magic ring that's ray can use to find

00:48:38 ◼   ► her anywhere and it's like oh okay so

00:48:41 ◼   ► you can't track people through

00:48:42 ◼   ► Lightspeed but you can have homing

00:48:44 ◼   ► beacons that work across the entire

00:48:46 ◼   ► galaxy I'm not as aunty this is as you

00:48:48 ◼   ► gray I think

00:48:49 ◼   ► I understand what's going on here okay I

00:48:51 ◼   ► genuinely want you to explain cuz I felt

00:48:53 ◼   ► confused about this distinction of what

00:48:56 ◼   ► is occurring and I was also I want to

00:48:58 ◼   ► know did I miss something was there

00:48:59 ◼   ► something on the capital ship that they

00:49:01 ◼   ► were using to track them I feel like I

00:49:03 ◼   ► missed something that I think there was

00:49:04 ◼   ► something there we were being set up for

00:49:05 ◼   ► that never happened like there was gonna

00:49:06 ◼   ► be a mole or something yeah that's what

00:49:08 ◼   ► I kept waiting for it's like oh there's

00:49:09 ◼   ► a piece of equipment I actually thought

00:49:10 ◼   ► I was going to have something to do with

00:49:12 ◼   ► Finn but like because he was former

00:49:14 ◼   ► Empire they were using him somehow like

00:49:16 ◼   ► I kept waiting for a shoe to drop here

00:49:18 ◼   ► that never dropped yeah the thing with a

00:49:20 ◼   ► large Spade I think that you can track

00:49:25 ◼   ► homing beacons and things like that when

00:49:27 ◼   ► someone is at a place across the

00:49:29 ◼   ► universe right there's a you know you

00:49:31 ◼   ► can put a bug on someone and you can

00:49:33 ◼   ► find out where they are at any given

00:49:35 ◼   ► point but I think that doesn't happen

00:49:37 ◼   ► while you're traveling through

00:49:39 ◼   ► hyperspace and the thing that I think

00:49:41 ◼   ► was made clear in this film than all the

00:49:44 ◼   ► other films is the traveling through

00:49:46 ◼   ► hyperspace is not an instantaneous thing

00:49:48 ◼   ► it's like a voyage because you know how

00:49:51 ◼   ► we see all those scenes where they're

00:49:52 ◼   ► sitting at the window and yeah a space

00:49:54 ◼   ► is going so I think the new innovation

00:49:56 ◼   ► here is the ability to track vehicles

00:49:59 ◼   ► while they're going through these you

00:50:01 ◼   ► know wishy-washy like tunnels and I

00:50:03 ◼   ► think that's what didn't exist before

00:50:05 ◼   ► so when Han Solo and the money in Falcon

00:50:08 ◼   ► get away at the end of Star Wars and

00:50:09 ◼   ► grand moff tarkin says we're taking a

00:50:11 ◼   ► terrible risk here by letting him get

00:50:13 ◼   ► away through hyperspace because he's got

00:50:15 ◼   ► the homing beacon so they know when he

00:50:16 ◼   ► pops out the other end you will get the

00:50:19 ◼   ► homing beacon back hmm this new

00:50:20 ◼   ► innovation is a homing beacon that works

00:50:23 ◼   ► while you're going through the

00:50:24 ◼   ► wishy-washy tunnel hmm okay so this

00:50:27 ◼   ► allows them to just appear sooner yeah

00:50:29 ◼   ► you don't have to wait for meeeeee to

00:50:30 ◼   ► pop out the other end and then do your

00:50:31 ◼   ► five or six hour journey to get there

00:50:33 ◼   ► okay you can be right on there but

00:50:35 ◼   ► straight away okay that makes sense that

00:50:36 ◼   ► makes sense that makes me feel better

00:50:38 ◼   ► but it doesn't get to find fundamental

00:50:39 ◼   ► problem which is okay so they they get

00:50:42 ◼   ► out here and now the whole background of

00:50:46 ◼   ► the movie is that there is this slow

00:50:48 ◼   ► motion chase that is occurring right

00:50:51 ◼   ► yeah that the resistance is flying ahead

00:50:54 ◼   ► of snoke's

00:50:56 ◼   ► ship and the first order and they're

00:50:59 ◼   ► able to fly far enough out of range that

00:51:02 ◼   ► guns can't hurt them but not far enough

00:51:05 ◼   ► to actually get away and this is the

00:51:09 ◼   ► moment where the Star Wars universe

00:51:10 ◼   ► introduces the concept of fuel that the

00:51:13 ◼   ► ship only has a certain amount of fuel

00:51:16 ◼   ► that it can use that they can only make

00:51:19 ◼   ► one more Lightspeed jump and even

00:51:23 ◼   ► traveling at sublight speed they only

00:51:24 ◼   ► have a certain amount of time that they

00:51:27 ◼   ► can go hmm and I found it kind of crazy

00:51:31 ◼   ► making this concept of fuel and I

00:51:34 ◼   ► haven't looked at anything online but I

00:51:35 ◼   ► did just ask some people about like does

00:51:37 ◼   ► the original trilogy ever reference fuel

00:51:40 ◼   ► and the answer is like it's implied but

00:51:43 ◼   ► nobody ever talks about it is one of

00:51:46 ◼   ► those things where I realize like it's

00:51:47 ◼   ► never occurred to me the concept of fuel

00:51:49 ◼   ► with the ships like it's never crossed

00:51:51 ◼   ► my mind but now this is like a

00:51:53 ◼   ► fundamentally important mechanism okay I

00:51:55 ◼   ► think you're splitting hairs there I

00:51:56 ◼   ► think it's pretty obvious that these

00:51:59 ◼   ► vehicles are gonna need fueling well

00:52:01 ◼   ► like at one point or another because

00:52:03 ◼   ► like I'm simply saying it never really

00:52:05 ◼   ► crossed my mind

00:52:06 ◼   ► but now like here is a mechanism around

00:52:08 ◼   ► which the movie revolves and it is a

00:52:10 ◼   ► ticking time bomb right we have 18 hours

00:52:13 ◼   ► before the ship runs out of fuel it's

00:52:14 ◼   ► like okay I guess so but then also this

00:52:17 ◼   ► Chase is just happening and it's like

00:52:19 ◼   ► how does this chase work the ship is

00:52:21 ◼   ► always able to just stay out of range

00:52:24 ◼   ► but never actually get very far and they

00:52:27 ◼   ► can't catch up and then okay if I even

00:52:32 ◼   ► give you that scenario which is a little

00:52:34 ◼   ► bit hard to imagine like even if you're

00:52:36 ◼   ► imagining like cars doing this in the

00:52:39 ◼   ► real world it's a little bit hard to

00:52:40 ◼   ► understand like how does this work

00:52:42 ◼   ► exactly you're traveling at exactly the

00:52:44 ◼   ► same speed but one of the cars is a

00:52:47 ◼   ► hundred thousand times the size of the

00:52:49 ◼   ► other car like this quite a coincidence

00:52:50 ◼   ► and this is without even getting into

00:52:53 ◼   ► all like nerdery that nobody cares about

00:52:55 ◼   ► about acceleration if in space like I'll

00:52:57 ◼   ► leave all of that to the side yeah

00:53:00 ◼   ► here's my background problem how big is

00:53:04 ◼   ► the first order in this movie because

00:53:10 ◼   ► this whole scenario just doesn't hold up

00:53:13 ◼   ► it's implied and it becomes the case

00:53:16 ◼   ► that's like the entire resistance is

00:53:18 ◼   ► being chased the ships that are here is

00:53:20 ◼   ► everyone that's left it's like okay got

00:53:23 ◼   ► it

00:53:24 ◼   ► but the first order do they not have any

00:53:28 ◼   ► other ship that can warp in a head of

00:53:31 ◼   ► the resistance Corvettes like they know

00:53:33 ◼   ► where it is like this weird chase

00:53:37 ◼   ► implies that these are all of the first

00:53:40 ◼   ► order ships that exist that they can't

00:53:43 ◼   ► have anybody come in at light speed

00:53:45 ◼   ► ahead of the resistance I get just the

00:53:50 ◼   ► chase is dumb and makes no sense on any

00:53:54 ◼   ► level but it's the structure of the

00:53:56 ◼   ► whole movie it sort of drove me crazy

00:53:58 ◼   ► because it kept pushing back to this

00:54:01 ◼   ► thing that we mentioned with the force

00:54:02 ◼   ► awakens of like like I can't believe

00:54:04 ◼   ► that I'm here asking for more politics

00:54:07 ◼   ► in my Star Wars movies but I really

00:54:09 ◼   ► think it's like a background rot of

00:54:11 ◼   ► these movies like where did the first

00:54:13 ◼   ► order come from how big are they how

00:54:15 ◼   ► powerful are they like in the last movie

00:54:18 ◼   ► they built a gun the size of a planet

00:54:21 ◼   ► but in this movie they don't have one

00:54:23 ◼   ► ship to spare to warp in ahead of the

00:54:26 ◼   ► guys you're chasing it just drives me

00:54:29 ◼   ► crazy like this inability to understand

00:54:31 ◼   ► the scale of the enemy in the movie I

00:54:33 ◼   ► think it's it's really really bad yeah

00:54:35 ◼   ► and that assault at the very end of the

00:54:37 ◼   ► film tow that they launched on the

00:54:38 ◼   ► bunker also seems quite small-scale

00:54:40 ◼   ► doesn't in this game of things for how

00:54:43 ◼   ► important it is but because here's the

00:54:44 ◼   ► thing okay chasing down the resistance

00:54:47 ◼   ► seems so important that the supreme

00:54:51 ◼   ► leader of the first order in his capital

00:54:54 ◼   ► ship is there to personally oversee this

00:54:56 ◼   ► event like it seems incredibly important

00:55:00 ◼   ► but you can't fly a couple more ships in

00:55:03 ◼   ► to resolve this within an hour what that

00:55:06 ◼   ► makes it feel like is this is it like

00:55:10 ◼   ► this is the whole battle all of the

00:55:12 ◼   ► first order ships are here and all of

00:55:14 ◼   ► the resistances here which then I can't

00:55:17 ◼   ► come up with a metaphor for it but I

00:55:18 ◼   ► just I keep coming back to this idea

00:55:20 ◼   ► that it

00:55:21 ◼   ► it feels like this is a fight between

00:55:23 ◼   ► two school gangs it made the whole thing

00:55:26 ◼   ► seem really small the small size of the

00:55:29 ◼   ► rebellion I think shocked me at times is

00:55:31 ◼   ► that is that all they've got I have to

00:55:33 ◼   ► say I always assumed the first order is

00:55:35 ◼   ► bigger much much bigger and there were

00:55:39 ◼   ► so many other problems I had with the

00:55:41 ◼   ► scenario I didn't even think about what

00:55:43 ◼   ► you're thinking about I never even

00:55:44 ◼   ► thought about I kind of just accepted

00:55:46 ◼   ► the premise yeah I just think that it's

00:55:48 ◼   ► like you can't have it both ways you

00:55:50 ◼   ► can't have it that this is so important

00:55:52 ◼   ► that the top guy is here but it's not so

00:55:55 ◼   ► important that we're not gonna pull

00:55:57 ◼   ► personnel from anywhere else in the

00:55:59 ◼   ► entire galaxy to help out right it's

00:56:01 ◼   ► like these two things can't be true and

00:56:03 ◼   ► yet I agree that story wise the first

00:56:06 ◼   ► order has to be enormous there's some

00:56:08 ◼   ► line in the beginning of the movie where

00:56:10 ◼   ► someone says something like oh the first

00:56:11 ◼   ► order is weeks away from capturing all

00:56:13 ◼   ► the major star systems right which

00:56:14 ◼   ► sounds like a metric ton of ships but

00:56:18 ◼   ► then this whole fight is taking place on

00:56:20 ◼   ► such a small scale that it just it makes

00:56:23 ◼   ► things feel small and I think it's like

00:56:26 ◼   ► it's a problem for the whole movie this

00:56:28 ◼   ► the structure but it sounds like you had

00:56:30 ◼   ► some kind of different problem with it

00:56:31 ◼   ► that distracted you from this the

00:56:33 ◼   ► problem that was distracting me from

00:56:35 ◼   ► that problem okay right god it was

00:56:37 ◼   ► obviously while this scenario is

00:56:39 ◼   ► unfolding this low speed chase right we

00:56:43 ◼   ► have some of the characters decide they

00:56:44 ◼   ► think they can solve the problem by

00:56:46 ◼   ► enlisting some code breaker and breaking

00:56:49 ◼   ► onto the other ship but to get him

00:56:51 ◼   ► they've got to go to like some other

00:56:53 ◼   ► place in the galaxy right and they just

00:56:56 ◼   ► like they leave they get on a ship and

00:56:57 ◼   ► leave and go and have another adventure

00:56:59 ◼   ► and come back so it's like this

00:57:00 ◼   ► low-speed chase where everyone's

00:57:02 ◼   ► supposed to be trapped but it was like

00:57:04 ◼   ► you can just come and go as you please

00:57:05 ◼   ► like so when Poe and Rose decide to go

00:57:10 ◼   ► off and have this other adventure and

00:57:11 ◼   ► they jump in a ship and say alright

00:57:13 ◼   ► we'll catch you guys later people can

00:57:17 ◼   ► just complete what that's crazy yeah

00:57:20 ◼   ► it's one of those things in a movie

00:57:22 ◼   ► where I think they're just hoping you

00:57:23 ◼   ► don't notice or don't think about it

00:57:25 ◼   ► they don't give you a little bit of

00:57:27 ◼   ► fluff to make it seem like you get away

00:57:28 ◼   ► with it but no one's buying that they do

00:57:30 ◼   ► give you some fluff but here's the thing

00:57:32 ◼   ► they pulled that same trick twice

00:57:34 ◼   ► because jumping forward later on in the

00:57:36 ◼   ► movie the whole plan is we're gonna

00:57:37 ◼   ► eject 30 transport ships that they're

00:57:40 ◼   ► just not gonna see it's so yeah and

00:57:42 ◼   ► you'd think if there was some other

00:57:44 ◼   ► planet nearby where this low-speed chase

00:57:46 ◼   ► was happening yeah the first order would

00:57:48 ◼   ► be all over that I'd be like look this

00:57:50 ◼   ► Chase is gonna take us near a big planet

00:57:51 ◼   ► saying so maybe that's gonna come into

00:57:53 ◼   ► play

00:57:53 ◼   ► it wouldn't be some shock that they try

00:57:55 ◼   ► and use the planet somehow yeah the

00:57:57 ◼   ► thing that I was also wondering is like

00:57:58 ◼   ► presumably the Corvette is headed

00:58:00 ◼   ► straight for the planet right like if

00:58:03 ◼   ► they're running out of fuel and they

00:58:06 ◼   ► only just barely get there I'm imagining

00:58:07 ◼   ► they were headed pretty straight for it

00:58:09 ◼   ► and they have this throwaway line about

00:58:11 ◼   ► like oh we're headed towards this

00:58:12 ◼   ► uncharted planet but again I'm also

00:58:14 ◼   ► feeling like but yeah it's a planet

00:58:16 ◼   ► you're towing in a first order right

00:58:19 ◼   ► behind you like the first order would be

00:58:22 ◼   ► thinking look the only play these guys

00:58:24 ◼   ► have got yeah is to get onto that planet

00:58:26 ◼   ► because they're about to run out of fuel

00:58:28 ◼   ► and get the hell blasted out of them so

00:58:29 ◼   ► whatever we do make sure we keep the

00:58:31 ◼   ► radars to make sure they don't send any

00:58:33 ◼   ► ships to that planet yeah and yeah it's

00:58:35 ◼   ► this like it's this great spooky move

00:58:37 ◼   ► that no one yeah yeah it's like the side

00:58:39 ◼   ► adventure is trying to set you up for

00:58:40 ◼   ► this idea they're like oh we can leave

00:58:42 ◼   ► and come back and they won't see like

00:58:44 ◼   ► really okay okay that's a hell of a

00:58:47 ◼   ► claim the Star Wars legends films gray

00:58:50 ◼   ► did they have these problems like we

00:58:54 ◼   ► were little kids watching them we're

00:58:55 ◼   ► parents laughing at us because of all

00:58:56 ◼   ► these ridiculous plot holes well again

00:58:58 ◼   ► every watch them as an adult and one of

00:59:00 ◼   ► the things that I have to give them real

00:59:01 ◼   ► credit for is they have sensible

00:59:04 ◼   ► explanations for a bunch of stuff so one

00:59:06 ◼   ► of the things here is like okay so in

00:59:07 ◼   ► this movie at the very end the

00:59:09 ◼   ► Millennium Falcon takes out what seems

00:59:11 ◼   ► to be like 20 Typhoid errs and there's

00:59:13 ◼   ► like okay there's no problem at all ray

00:59:15 ◼   ► and Chewie are able to take down all

00:59:17 ◼   ► these time fighters and rise pretty

00:59:18 ◼   ► skilled and got the fullest and stuff

00:59:20 ◼   ► yeah I know it's like okay I get I'm

00:59:21 ◼   ► gonna give them all that right I'm gonna

00:59:22 ◼   ► give them all those advantages and

00:59:24 ◼   ► that's fantastic but like in the

00:59:25 ◼   ► original movie yeah they took down a

00:59:27 ◼   ► bunch of Thai fighters but it was part

00:59:29 ◼   ► of the plot that the Empire was letting

00:59:31 ◼   ► them get away and I feel like somehow

00:59:34 ◼   ► that first like Oh our clunky Millenium

00:59:36 ◼   ► Falcon was able to get away in a

00:59:39 ◼   ► situation where the Empire was letting

00:59:41 ◼   ► them get away has morphed into the

00:59:45 ◼   ► Millennium Falcon is the most nimble

00:59:46 ◼   ► ship in the universe

00:59:47 ◼   ► they take down everything this was my

00:59:50 ◼   ► force awakens criticism all over again

00:59:52 ◼   ► the special powers they've been imbued

00:59:53 ◼   ► on the Millennium Falcon are very

00:59:55 ◼   ► frustrating yeah it's crazy and I like I

00:59:57 ◼   ► think I was less sensitive to that last

00:59:59 ◼   ► time but this time

00:59:59 ◼   ► time but this time

01:00:00 ◼   ► I felt like oh come on because I had

01:00:02 ◼   ► lost track of all of the TIE fighters I

01:00:04 ◼   ► was like wait a minute what happened to

01:00:05 ◼   ► all those Tie Fighters and then my wife

01:00:06 ◼   ► she's like oh the Millennium Falcon just

01:00:08 ◼   ► just wiped them on that like uh okay

01:00:09 ◼   ► right got it

01:00:10 ◼   ► great but I think that like that's a key

01:00:13 ◼   ► thing that there were more reasonable

01:00:16 ◼   ► explanations stuff that's a dumb plot

01:00:19 ◼   ► idea that like oh you drop a bomb in a

01:00:21 ◼   ► particular hole in the whole thing blows

01:00:22 ◼   ► up is like okay fine whatever but at

01:00:24 ◼   ► least it's a mechanism for why can a

01:00:26 ◼   ► tiny number of ships defeat a larger

01:00:30 ◼   ► number of ships yeah right whereas in in

01:00:32 ◼   ► this movie repeatedly we have this idea

01:00:35 ◼   ► that like the ridiculously outclassed

01:00:37 ◼   ► resistance is able to just win because

01:00:39 ◼   ► they're better like in the end fighting

01:00:41 ◼   ► scene it was really the case was like

01:00:43 ◼   ► they call out by number like the

01:00:45 ◼   ► resistance has 13 ships and we are here

01:00:49 ◼   ► on the planet with like all of this

01:00:51 ◼   ► material like and we're still gonna get

01:00:52 ◼   ► our asses handed to us it's frustrating

01:00:55 ◼   ► and I think it's just nonsensical

01:00:56 ◼   ► because you the movie wants certain

01:00:58 ◼   ► things to happen well like it or not PO

01:01:01 ◼   ► and Rose go to Vegas the you know Monica

01:01:05 ◼   ► Monica is that's where they go I swear

01:01:07 ◼   ► to God I was looking at that I was like

01:01:09 ◼   ► did they actually film it in Monaco I

01:01:11 ◼   ► was waiting for a gigantic sign that

01:01:12 ◼   ► said welcome to Monaco in the background

01:01:14 ◼   ► you know like some CGI artists forgot to

01:01:16 ◼   ► erase Brady I hate this part of the

01:01:18 ◼   ► movie I hate this part of the movie so

01:01:20 ◼   ► much weighing levels yeah I'm with you

01:01:22 ◼   ► it's really bad

01:01:24 ◼   ► except gray I really loved the scene

01:01:26 ◼   ► where they put the coins in bb-8 because

01:01:28 ◼   ► they think he's a slot machine I thought

01:01:30 ◼   ► that was really clever it was really

01:01:31 ◼   ► clever it was terrible I know what I

01:01:34 ◼   ► loved about that the reason I was gonna

01:01:37 ◼   ► say is kind of clever is I didn't notice

01:01:39 ◼   ► on the first watching

01:01:40 ◼   ► but on the second watching I like that

01:01:42 ◼   ► the fully artist bothered to make coin

01:01:45 ◼   ► rolling around sounds whenever bb-8

01:01:48 ◼   ► moved about like oh I didn't I didn't I

01:01:50 ◼   ► would never have noticed it on the first

01:01:51 ◼   ► watching but on the second watching I

01:01:53 ◼   ► was like I like this way better because

01:01:55 ◼   ► somebody cared to have it like a bag

01:01:56 ◼   ► full of money that he was moving around

01:01:58 ◼   ► in the Foley Department I think that is

01:02:01 ◼   ► where this film strayed too far into

01:02:04 ◼   ► prequel territory that whole thing this

01:02:06 ◼   ► is also where I gotta say like the real

01:02:09 ◼   ► world coming into the movie is just it's

01:02:11 ◼   ► like it's too much for me yeah why would

01:02:12 ◼   ► gambling in that guy

01:02:13 ◼   ► it'd be so similar to air gambling

01:02:15 ◼   ► before we get there okay thing I liked

01:02:17 ◼   ► it's like okay this I enjoyed as a turn

01:02:19 ◼   ► for two seconds before you you leaned

01:02:22 ◼   ► into a too much movie I liked the idea

01:02:24 ◼   ► they're gonna go to a hive of scum and

01:02:26 ◼   ► villainy right and engineer fangirl is

01:02:30 ◼   ► there and she says oh we're you know

01:02:31 ◼   ► these are the worst people in the world

01:02:33 ◼   ► and I liked for two seconds that it's a

01:02:37 ◼   ► bunch of rich people in a casino right I

01:02:39 ◼   ► thought that is a nice turn on the

01:02:42 ◼   ► expectation that's a nice little genre

01:02:44 ◼   ► flip here I'd like the idea it wasn't

01:02:46 ◼   ► really explored very far I also liked

01:02:48 ◼   ► the idea of there being Star Wars arms

01:02:50 ◼   ► dealers it was selling eighty eighty s

01:02:52 ◼   ► and x-wing fighters and we're gonna have

01:02:54 ◼   ► to finally disagree on that but so that

01:02:58 ◼   ► thing about like okay they're the worst

01:02:59 ◼   ► people in the world it's a bunch of rich

01:03:01 ◼   ► people in Monaco it's like okay I can

01:03:03 ◼   ► get along with it I think that's a fun

01:03:04 ◼   ► idea but it's a fun idea for two seconds

01:03:06 ◼   ► and then as we like we lean into it with

01:03:09 ◼   ► all of these other elements it again

01:03:11 ◼   ► it's the real world like leading into

01:03:14 ◼   ► the Star Wars world and like I felt like

01:03:17 ◼   ► I lost my mind at the arms dealer part

01:03:20 ◼   ► mmm

01:03:21 ◼   ► it felt like the most unstart thing ever

01:03:25 ◼   ► I'm gonna sorry Julie I'm gonna retract

01:03:27 ◼   ► what I said now I think about it more

01:03:28 ◼   ► because although I do have always had

01:03:30 ◼   ► questions about where x-wing fighters

01:03:32 ◼   ► come from right where Dex wings come

01:03:33 ◼   ► from because the rebellion of got so

01:03:34 ◼   ► many of them and the rebellion it's not

01:03:36 ◼   ► like an army

01:03:37 ◼   ► it was very our galaxy into that galaxy

01:03:40 ◼   ► and it was also picking something that's

01:03:41 ◼   ► very zeitgeist isn't it it felt like

01:03:43 ◼   ► we're having a little like Occupy Wall

01:03:45 ◼   ► Street moment or something or it was

01:03:47 ◼   ► like I'm having a character tell me that

01:03:49 ◼   ► the only way you can get this rich in

01:03:51 ◼   ► the Star Wars universe is by selling

01:03:53 ◼   ► arms to the first order as I okay well

01:03:57 ◼   ► yeah and don't be cruel to animals yeah

01:03:58 ◼   ► well we'll get there it's like that's

01:04:01 ◼   ► interesting that you're telling me that

01:04:02 ◼   ► in in this entire like galaxy spanning

01:04:06 ◼   ► universe there's no software

01:04:09 ◼   ► billionaires like like who's writing the

01:04:11 ◼   ► user interfaces for these machines you

01:04:12 ◼   ► know really this is the only way you can

01:04:15 ◼   ► get this wealthy if it's the only way

01:04:17 ◼   ► you can get this wealthy like how is the

01:04:19 ◼   ► first order paying for all of this like

01:04:20 ◼   ► surely there's wealthier guys in the

01:04:22 ◼   ► first order like buying the guns well

01:04:24 ◼   ► I've got text I've got text but like

01:04:27 ◼   ► surely there's

01:04:27 ◼   ► who invented Facebook in this galaxy he

01:04:30 ◼   ► must be rich yeah I know that so there's

01:04:32 ◼   ► a thing about it which I just I really

01:04:36 ◼   ► hate this character introduces like all

01:04:38 ◼   ► of these rich people are bad and all of

01:04:41 ◼   ► us terrorists in the resistance are

01:04:43 ◼   ► great all right we have not one but two

01:04:46 ◼   ► suicide bombers in the resistance in

01:04:48 ◼   ► this movie they're fantastic people but

01:04:50 ◼   ► like these people in this casino they're

01:04:52 ◼   ► all bad and they're selling guns to the

01:04:53 ◼   ► first order

01:04:54 ◼   ► and when they paper in the casino here

01:04:55 ◼   ► just like they're on a stag day yeah but

01:04:57 ◼   ► that's what I was wondering it's like

01:04:58 ◼   ► all of them are arms dealers like that's

01:05:00 ◼   ► a lot of arms dealers that little

01:05:02 ◼   ► leprechaun he's an arms dealer the

01:05:05 ◼   ► bazaar

01:05:05 ◼   ► opera singer who who yells when the

01:05:08 ◼   ► horses come running through the casino

01:05:09 ◼   ► with she an arms dealer are all the

01:05:12 ◼   ► people working in this casino arms

01:05:13 ◼   ► dealers you know it's it's crazy

01:05:16 ◼   ► and also fair if you have this like

01:05:18 ◼   ► special casino where only arms dealers

01:05:21 ◼   ► can go and everyone is that rich so I

01:05:23 ◼   ► accept the premise that they're all arms

01:05:24 ◼   ► dealers right wouldn't security be a bit

01:05:26 ◼   ► higher than having these people park

01:05:28 ◼   ► their shuttle on a bender yeah but this

01:05:30 ◼   ► is this is it like that doesn't make any

01:05:32 ◼   ► sense right but but here we are like

01:05:34 ◼   ► we're with the 1% of the 1% with the

01:05:36 ◼   ► arms dealers but you can just walk in it

01:05:39 ◼   ► doesn't make any sense and I'm really

01:05:41 ◼   ► glad that they touched on it later

01:05:42 ◼   ► because I swear to god I was sitting in

01:05:44 ◼   ► this seat like fuming at this point also

01:05:48 ◼   ► because this is where I was like rose I

01:05:51 ◼   ► hate you and I want you to die so badly

01:05:53 ◼   ► but when she's talking about the arms

01:05:55 ◼   ► dealers like it was all I could do to

01:05:56 ◼   ► not scream at the film like where do you

01:05:59 ◼   ► get those x-wings from like where do you

01:06:00 ◼   ► think you're buying these things from

01:06:02 ◼   ► and I'm like I'm so glad that the movie

01:06:04 ◼   ► just touched on it briefly for a second

01:06:06 ◼   ► yeah it's like why are your guns better

01:06:09 ◼   ► than their guns like are your guns made

01:06:10 ◼   ► with flowers and lights and love and oh

01:06:14 ◼   ► the first order they're just bad this

01:06:16 ◼   ► sort of going back to rogue one I feel

01:06:19 ◼   ► like this movie had a real problem in

01:06:21 ◼   ► the way that one did have like you need

01:06:23 ◼   ► to give me more reasons to like the

01:06:27 ◼   ► resistance and to dislike the first

01:06:30 ◼   ► order did rise explain why she was say

01:06:32 ◼   ► auntie these people - it's like she felt

01:06:35 ◼   ► it really struggling it's like she was

01:06:36 ◼   ► educating PO about why this is bad yeah

01:06:39 ◼   ► like was Rose like a slave to them at

01:06:41 ◼   ► some

01:06:41 ◼   ► why did I miss that was she more abused

01:06:43 ◼   ► in her background than the others I

01:06:45 ◼   ► think she says briefly is that her

01:06:46 ◼   ► planet was strip mined by the first

01:06:49 ◼   ► order to then buy the guns from the arms

01:06:53 ◼   ► dealers like again it's like okay some

01:06:55 ◼   ► kind of weird thing and then the arms

01:06:57 ◼   ► dealers were testing out their weapons

01:06:59 ◼   ► on her planet and then like she quote

01:07:01 ◼   ► lost everything she may have said it but

01:07:02 ◼   ► I certainly didn't feel it yeah and I

01:07:04 ◼   ► was like great I don't care about you at

01:07:06 ◼   ► all but it's just there was something

01:07:07 ◼   ► about it that's just childish

01:07:10 ◼   ► in this way I'm like oh all these people

01:07:12 ◼   ► in the casino are terrible people and

01:07:14 ◼   ► all of the resistance fighters are great

01:07:16 ◼   ► and just combined with the things like a

01:07:19 ◼   ► little moment in a movie which I think

01:07:21 ◼   ► it they all add up was like I should

01:07:24 ◼   ► like the resistance but I just don't and

01:07:26 ◼   ► one of the reasons I don't like the

01:07:28 ◼   ► resistance is when we first meet Rose

01:07:30 ◼   ► what is she doing she's stunning and

01:07:34 ◼   ► throwing in the brig deserters from the

01:07:37 ◼   ► resistance who are trying to escape what

01:07:39 ◼   ► they view as a pointless mission where

01:07:41 ◼   ► they're all going to die and it's like

01:07:43 ◼   ► shouldn't story-wise the resistance be

01:07:47 ◼   ► the force that lets you go if you want

01:07:50 ◼   ► to leave isn't that a way to make them

01:07:52 ◼   ► sympathetic instead of like oh you're

01:07:54 ◼   ► stun gunning all day long people who

01:07:56 ◼   ► were trying to desert still need some

01:07:58 ◼   ► military precision in these crisis

01:08:00 ◼   ► situations great yeah don't get me wrong

01:08:01 ◼   ► in real life if I was running a

01:08:04 ◼   ► resistance

01:08:04 ◼   ► I'd have stun Gunners standing at every

01:08:06 ◼   ► escape pod all right like that's what I

01:08:08 ◼   ► would really do but I'm just talking

01:08:10 ◼   ► about like story wise why do you have to

01:08:13 ◼   ► explicitly call this out like why can't

01:08:15 ◼   ► you have her be doing almost anything

01:08:17 ◼   ► else I have no real reason to like the

01:08:20 ◼   ► resistance and then they're filled with

01:08:21 ◼   ► dumb characters who do stupid things

01:08:24 ◼   ► which makes them even more unlikable

01:08:27 ◼   ► I've just realized by the way for

01:08:28 ◼   ► everyone listening it isn't PO that goes

01:08:30 ◼   ► off with roses oh yes yes and it's been

01:08:32 ◼   ► sorry for all those times I've said I'm

01:08:33 ◼   ► frustrated you my name is a bit mixed up

01:08:36 ◼   ► but anyway I'm sure you've got that any

01:08:37 ◼   ► feedback on that at all that will have

01:08:38 ◼   ► written the comments now where I

01:08:39 ◼   ► corrected it so great just a quick

01:08:41 ◼   ► intermission here before you continue

01:08:43 ◼   ► with your Monaco tirade which I'm

01:08:46 ◼   ► looking forward to all of these things

01:08:48 ◼   ► you think like these plot holes and

01:08:49 ◼   ► these things that drive you crazy are

01:08:51 ◼   ► you thinking them during the film or

01:08:53 ◼   ► later because this

01:08:55 ◼   ► pretty complicated stuff you're thinking

01:08:56 ◼   ► about and the film goes at a reasonable

01:08:58 ◼   ► pace I don't think I have time to think

01:09:00 ◼   ► of all these plot holes until afterwards

01:09:02 ◼   ► I certainly think about them afterwards

01:09:03 ◼   ► do you think about them afterwards

01:09:05 ◼   ► ordering a lot of this stuff I was

01:09:07 ◼   ► thinking during but I think that's

01:09:09 ◼   ► because this movie felt like a slower

01:09:11 ◼   ► movie like during rogue one I remember a

01:09:13 ◼   ► feeling of just being more confused or

01:09:16 ◼   ► like not following parts but this movie

01:09:19 ◼   ► there was a bunch of stuff that was

01:09:20 ◼   ► bothering me during it so like the thing

01:09:22 ◼   ► about the fuel and the relative speed of

01:09:24 ◼   ► the ship sighs like this is crazy and it

01:09:26 ◼   ► makes no sense it's the problem again of

01:09:28 ◼   ► like breaking a suspension of disbelief

01:09:29 ◼   ► that then causes me to be sitting there

01:09:32 ◼   ► and thinking about a thing and that that

01:09:33 ◼   ► is the whole magic of a good movie is a

01:09:36 ◼   ► good movie doesn't do that it doesn't

01:09:38 ◼   ► break you out and get you thinking about

01:09:40 ◼   ► the stuff but landing in a place which

01:09:43 ◼   ► is obviously Monaco and then talking

01:09:45 ◼   ► about arms dealers it's like oh okay I

01:09:48 ◼   ► thought I was going to enjoy a movie but

01:09:50 ◼   ► now I'm getting like a political lesson

01:09:52 ◼   ► from the writers of this script and

01:09:55 ◼   ► that's what like kicks me out of it and

01:09:57 ◼   ► then starts a little loop in my head

01:09:58 ◼   ► where I'm thinking about the movie as

01:09:59 ◼   ► I'm watching the movie so I'm in the

01:10:02 ◼   ► Vegas or Monaco what if you want to call

01:10:04 ◼   ► a thing I didn't like at all and then

01:10:06 ◼   ► this person they go to get the help from

01:10:08 ◼   ► like we save hit that person briefly and

01:10:11 ◼   ► then they obviously don't get to get

01:10:13 ◼   ► that person and then there's this other

01:10:15 ◼   ► person and then there's the horse-racing

01:10:17 ◼   ► saying yeah well just like this was

01:10:19 ◼   ► shark jumping territory for me there's

01:10:21 ◼   ► two things here and I feel like after

01:10:23 ◼   ► this I have a whole bunch of just minor

01:10:24 ◼   ► points about the movie but it's like the

01:10:26 ◼   ► casino thing it's where the movie broke

01:10:28 ◼   ► for me because I was thinking this is so

01:10:31 ◼   ► Monaco I can't believe it and then they

01:10:33 ◼   ► introduced a race track and that's like

01:10:35 ◼   ► it's too much right it's too much hmm

01:10:38 ◼   ► it's like they flew to a casino city

01:10:40 ◼   ► that was called Las Vegas and there's a

01:10:42 ◼   ► gigantic pyramid in the middle of the

01:10:44 ◼   ► city it's like it's too much but really

01:10:47 ◼   ► home with that kind of like lost me and

01:10:48 ◼   ► was very very space ballsy was so they

01:10:52 ◼   ► they meet in prison the guy who's gonna

01:10:54 ◼   ► break codes for them you know it's just

01:10:56 ◼   ► like a fantastic miracle of luck they

01:10:59 ◼   ► bump into this guy and they they staged

01:11:01 ◼   ► like an escape and off camera

01:11:05 ◼   ► in an unspecified manner bb-8 has

01:11:09 ◼   ► disabled handcuffed and duct-taped over

01:11:13 ◼   ► their mouth three guards

01:11:15 ◼   ► yeah and the movie does it is like a

01:11:19 ◼   ► little joke where Benicio del Toro was

01:11:21 ◼   ► like oh did you do that and then they

01:11:23 ◼   ► show another guard come around and bb-8

01:11:25 ◼   ► uses all of those coins so cleverly put

01:11:27 ◼   ► in his chest and like shoots the guy

01:11:29 ◼   ► down with a bunch of coins as if you're

01:11:32 ◼   ► not insulted enough by the fact he's

01:11:34 ◼   ► tired these people out there gonna spit

01:11:35 ◼   ► in your face and have him use these

01:11:36 ◼   ► coins as yeah and then he blows on the

01:11:39 ◼   ► the nozzle of his gun like he's Clint

01:11:41 ◼   ► Eastwood and it's like what is he

01:11:43 ◼   ► blowing on that to me was the exact

01:11:45 ◼   ► moment where I'm like I'm done movie

01:11:46 ◼   ► because it's so absurd and if bb-8 can

01:11:50 ◼   ► do this well he seems really useful like

01:11:54 ◼   ► why don't you have a whole bunch of

01:11:55 ◼   ► these bb-8 droids yeah like a flying at

01:11:57 ◼   ► a date oh yeah yeah it's like if this is

01:11:59 ◼   ► a thing that exists in this universe

01:12:00 ◼   ► then it breaks the universe and there's

01:12:04 ◼   ► stuff later on which is also like you

01:12:05 ◼   ► universe breaking it's a bit like how

01:12:07 ◼   ► good the droids are like you said like

01:12:09 ◼   ► r2d2 flies or in rogue one the you know

01:12:12 ◼   ► the robot in Rogue rogue one is like so

01:12:14 ◼   ► good like why don't you just have these

01:12:16 ◼   ► guys all the time why do you mess around

01:12:17 ◼   ► with humans that just really broke it

01:12:19 ◼   ► for me and then you know they escaped

01:12:22 ◼   ► and they go see the horses in the

01:12:24 ◼   ► stables like the gigantic horse