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01:00:00 ◼   ► it would actually be useful but I think

01:00:04 ◼   ► there's a non-trivial number of people

01:00:06 ◼   ► who just couldn't even get their life

01:00:09 ◼   ► together enough to be able to go to that

01:00:11 ◼   ► evening class like we're just showing up

01:00:14 ◼   ► to a thing on time is a skill that those

01:00:16 ◼   ► people don't have and like maybe if you

01:00:19 ◼   ► can't like be somewhere on time you

01:00:22 ◼   ► shouldn't have a kid it's a bit like I

01:00:25 ◼   ► spoken to a few people who've done the

01:00:27 ◼   ► test for the TSA pre-approved check

01:00:30 ◼   ► thing in the United States yeah and

01:00:33 ◼   ► everybody's response is exactly the same

01:00:35 ◼   ► where they talk about oh this thing is

01:00:36 ◼   ► ridiculous because all you have to do is

01:00:38 ◼   ► like get to the airport and you have to

01:00:41 ◼   ► wait in a place you fill out a little

01:00:43 ◼   ► form like you talk to a guy and then

01:00:44 ◼   ► they just approve you when you go home

01:00:45 ◼   ► and I had the same response to everyone

01:00:47 ◼   ► these people like no you don't

01:00:48 ◼   ► understand that is the test like getting

01:00:51 ◼   ► to the airport being able to follow the

01:00:53 ◼   ► instructions not flipping out when a guy

01:00:56 ◼   ► asks you a couple of personal questions

01:00:57 ◼   ► like that's the test I feel like this is

01:01:00 ◼   ► very much the former teacher and really

01:01:01 ◼   ► like you don't understand how many

01:01:03 ◼   ► people can't follow instructions longer

01:01:07 ◼   ► if the instructions are the test so

01:01:11 ◼   ► there's something about that that feels

01:01:12 ◼   ► like just set like the lowest possible

01:01:16 ◼   ► bar for having kids like I feel like I

01:01:19 ◼   ► couldn't be opposed to like you just

01:01:21 ◼   ► need to go somewhere to get a stamp the

01:01:25 ◼   ► people are having kids have accomplished

01:01:26 ◼   ► one thing yeah they have accomplished

01:01:28 ◼   ► one thing I mean yeah you can't open a

01:01:30 ◼   ► bank account without giving them your

01:01:31 ◼   ► entire genome an entire internet search

01:01:34 ◼   ► history and yet you can create a human

01:01:36 ◼   ► being and rear it and bring it up

01:01:39 ◼   ► without yeah telling anyone anything

01:01:41 ◼   ► sometimes I feel really anxious when I

01:01:43 ◼   ► look at babies because just today

01:01:46 ◼   ► actually I was just walking down the

01:01:47 ◼   ► street and there was is a woman who had

01:01:49 ◼   ► like swaddled a little baby and she had

01:01:51 ◼   ► him on a back swaddle like instead of on

01:01:54 ◼   ► the front he was just on the back you

01:01:55 ◼   ► know like along for the ride and you

01:01:57 ◼   ► know shopping day yeah whenever I look

01:01:58 ◼   ► at this babies I always just feel like

01:02:00 ◼   ► you poor thing you have no control over

01:02:02 ◼   ► anything

01:02:03 ◼   ► you're just here that you are totally at

01:02:06 ◼   ► the mercy of the external world like you

01:02:08 ◼   ► can do nothing to help yourself it's

01:02:10 ◼   ► that feeling that just makes me feel

01:02:11 ◼   ► like it's

01:02:12 ◼   ► see someone can just bring a life into

01:02:15 ◼   ► the world and we have just zero checks

01:02:18 ◼   ► on this and this new little person could

01:02:21 ◼   ► not be more vulnerable like a puppy is

01:02:25 ◼   ► less vulnerable than a human baby human

01:02:27 ◼   ► babies can do nothing if their socks are

01:02:30 ◼   ► making their feet uncomfortable it's

01:02:31 ◼   ► like well that baby just has to deal

01:02:32 ◼   ► with it it makes me anxious looking at

01:02:34 ◼   ► babies so I feel very sorry for them and

01:02:36 ◼   ► I feel like I want more protections for

01:02:37 ◼   ► babies more protections for babies I can

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01:05:20 ◼   ► we go if McDonald's spent billions of

01:05:24 ◼   ► dollars rescuing the targa from

01:05:25 ◼   ► extinction should they be allowed to

01:05:28 ◼   ► then sell a mock tiger burger so there

01:05:32 ◼   ► are lots of Tigers in the scenario yeah

01:05:34 ◼   ► they've basically made Tigers like cows

01:05:37 ◼   ► well I have a lot of problems with the

01:05:40 ◼   ► meat industrial complex mm-hmm I feel

01:05:44 ◼   ► like factory farming is really

01:05:45 ◼   ► indefensible but more more Tigers is

01:05:49 ◼   ► better than oh god I don't know like I

01:05:51 ◼   ► don't have a problem in theory with

01:05:53 ◼   ► Tiger burgers it's a hard one to debate

01:05:55 ◼   ► it's not like I think if one of my

01:05:57 ◼   ► videos had Tiger burgers as an example

01:05:59 ◼   ► of something I feel like I've used this

01:06:00 ◼   ► before so I don't know whatever anyway I

01:06:02 ◼   ► feel like the the problem in my head is

01:06:04 ◼   ► not the problem that this question is

01:06:06 ◼   ► asking about right the problem I'm

01:06:07 ◼   ► having is do we want to introduce

01:06:10 ◼   ► another species to factory farming life

01:06:13 ◼   ► because presumably like when you're at

01:06:15 ◼   ► McDonald's scale this is the problem you

01:06:17 ◼   ► come up against I would have concerns

01:06:18 ◼   ► about having that many Tigers on it

01:06:22 ◼   ► skyping from some farm in Devon it's

01:06:25 ◼   ► like a like a Jurassic Park situation

01:06:27 ◼   ► mcdonoughs got so caught up wondering if

01:06:30 ◼   ► they could do it they didn't think if

01:06:31 ◼   ► they should do okay you know thinking it

01:06:35 ◼   ► through no I'm coming down now and I'm

01:06:38 ◼   ► coming down very solidly on now

01:06:39 ◼   ► because you're saving Tigers from

01:06:43 ◼   ► extinction but you're just creating a

01:06:45 ◼   ► whole bunch of Tigers that presumably

01:06:47 ◼   ► are living miserable lives that seems

01:06:49 ◼   ► like not an improvement in any way what

01:06:52 ◼   ► if they didn't factory farm the Tigers

01:06:54 ◼   ► it was just like a boutique specialty

01:06:56 ◼   ► burger you could have that they caught

01:06:58 ◼   ► from the wild occasionally right so

01:06:59 ◼   ► we've we have free-range Tigers that are

01:07:01 ◼   ► living here every Reg target suing

01:07:02 ◼   ► seigneurs if they're free-range Tigers

01:07:04 ◼   ► then I'm okay with it they're they're

01:07:06 ◼   ► living like a managed Tiger lifestyle we

01:07:09 ◼   ► don't have a farm in Devon packed full

01:07:11 ◼   ► of Tigers that we're afraid of the doors

01:07:12 ◼   ► are gonna burst any day so you like the

01:07:15 ◼   ► question there is like are the Tigers

01:07:16 ◼   ► living a happy life before from their

01:07:19 ◼   ► perspective the lights just go out and

01:07:21 ◼   ► they never even know I love the idea of

01:07:23 ◼   ► a tiger lifestyle I want to live a tiger

01:07:25 ◼   ► lifestyle now hey Brady you're living

01:07:29 ◼   ► the tiger lifestyle you said it brother

01:07:31 ◼   ► I think this thing get really

01:07:32 ◼   ► complicated though because the question

01:07:34 ◼   ► is like how happy are the Tigers like

01:07:37 ◼   ► what are the Tigers eating basically are

01:07:39 ◼   ► we introducing more sorrow into the

01:07:41 ◼   ► world because of all of the rabbits that

01:07:44 ◼   ► the Tigers are chasing down to eat I

01:07:46 ◼   ► feel like I want to be feeding the

01:07:48 ◼   ► Tigers synthetic lab-grown meat and then

01:07:51 ◼   ► killing the Tigers for Tiger burgers and

01:07:53 ◼   ► the Tigers get to live a full and happy

01:07:55 ◼   ► life that's like okay I'm perfectly fine

01:07:57 ◼   ► with that but I think the question is

01:08:00 ◼   ► posed I would say no that McDonald's

01:08:03 ◼   ► saving a species from extinction and

01:08:06 ◼   ► then cultivating that species at the

01:08:09 ◼   ► scale McDonald's would require would not

01:08:12 ◼   ► be a trade-off worth making

01:08:13 ◼   ► if you ain't tiger made from a target

01:08:16 ◼   ► that only ever in its entire life eight

01:08:18 ◼   ► since said it mate are you meeting me

01:08:20 ◼   ► yeah of course what do you mean it's

01:08:23 ◼   ► like if you eat a cow who's only eaten

01:08:25 ◼   ► grass its whole life you're eating meat

01:08:27 ◼   ► the cow is the machine that turns grass

01:08:29 ◼   ► and cattle yeah and now I do get that

01:08:30 ◼   ► and I didn't think that but I just

01:08:31 ◼   ► wondered if there was something more

01:08:33 ◼   ► ethical about aiding an animal with only

01:08:34 ◼   ► ever a synthetic stuff probably not

01:08:37 ◼   ► actually no I think yeah if the

01:08:39 ◼   ► comparison is is the tiger eating live

01:08:41 ◼   ► animals versus synthetic meats I think

01:08:43 ◼   ► eating a tiger that has eaten only

01:08:45 ◼   ► synthetic meat is clearly more ethical

01:08:47 ◼   ► would you rather be a dead celebrity or

01:08:50 ◼   ► a living criminal am i a cat

01:08:53 ◼   ► criminal am I in jail does it change

01:08:58 ◼   ► your answer yeah it does change my

01:08:59 ◼   ► answer I really think that living in

01:09:01 ◼   ► jail is pretty terrible but there's a

01:09:02 ◼   ► chance of escape or release whereas if

01:09:05 ◼   ► you're dead celebrity made yeah done do

01:09:08 ◼   ► my friend like am I in death row am I in

01:09:11 ◼   ► some kind of Shawshank Prison almanach

01:09:14 ◼   ► shank pretty terrible situation I might

01:09:17 ◼   ► prefer to be a dead celebrity it depends

01:09:19 ◼   ► it is an example like a white-collar

01:09:22 ◼   ► criminal who's probably destroyed the

01:09:25 ◼   ► lives of millions of people but it's in

01:09:26 ◼   ► a relatively cushy prison like well then

01:09:28 ◼   ► I'd rather pick a dead celebrity

01:09:31 ◼   ► but if I'm a criminal who's in Shawshank

01:09:33 ◼   ► then then no I think I'd rather be the

01:09:35 ◼   ► dead celebrity there's no way Brady

01:09:37 ◼   ► you're not gonna pick the dead celebrity

01:09:38 ◼   ► yeah I think you're probably wrong yeah

01:09:40 ◼   ► that's that's right I know I know her

01:09:41 ◼   ► Brady do you choose your personality no

01:09:46 ◼   ► that doesn't even make any sense to talk

01:09:48 ◼   ► about that I think you can shape your

01:09:52 ◼   ► personality especially if someone has

01:09:54 ◼   ► like a disciplined mind like you like

01:09:57 ◼   ► you can control and cultivate aspects of

01:09:59 ◼   ► you and over time train yourself to oh

01:10:02 ◼   ► yeah I totally agree with that this is

01:10:04 ◼   ► where I am I am a man who believes in

01:10:06 ◼   ► two things the possibility of

01:10:08 ◼   ► self-improvement and puppies and the

01:10:09 ◼   ► impossibility of free will I don't think

01:10:12 ◼   ► that those two things are in

01:10:14 ◼   ► contradiction like I've talked about it

01:10:17 ◼   ► before I think that there's a real

01:10:18 ◼   ► moment in my life that I feel like I

01:10:20 ◼   ► chose to have a different personality

01:10:22 ◼   ► and that was crossing the threshold of

01:10:25 ◼   ► leaving high school and entering college

01:10:26 ◼   ► and that was a very deliberate moment in

01:10:30 ◼   ► my life where I made a change it was

01:10:32 ◼   ► much for the better

01:10:33 ◼   ► hmm but I still think that when you dig

01:10:36 ◼   ► into that I still run up against this

01:10:40 ◼   ► free will problem of well I was the kind

01:10:42 ◼   ► of person who was able to do that and in

01:10:45 ◼   ► a position where I would decide that

01:10:46 ◼   ► that was the thing to do and so that is

01:10:48 ◼   ► what I did I don't think I chose to be

01:10:51 ◼   ► the sort of person who could decide and

01:10:56 ◼   ► successfully execute that change and I

01:10:59 ◼   ► don't think you have any choice in your

01:11:00 ◼   ► personality so only people with a

01:11:02 ◼   ► certain personality can choose their

01:11:03 ◼   ► personality only people with a certain

01:11:05 ◼   ► personality will be

01:11:07 ◼   ► able to change their personality but

01:11:10 ◼   ► they're not even in a position

01:11:11 ◼   ► necessarily to direct that change in the

01:11:14 ◼   ► way that I think the question is asking

01:11:16 ◼   ► could ask you one quick question I don't

01:11:19 ◼   ► want to dig up and go over that time out

01:11:21 ◼   ► of high school when you're at a

01:11:22 ◼   ► crossroads and you feel like you made

01:11:23 ◼   ► important decisions mmm you know maybe

01:11:25 ◼   ► we could do it another time

01:11:26 ◼   ► but pretend you didn't make the big

01:11:29 ◼   ► decisions you made like say you chose

01:11:31 ◼   ► the path a instead of path B yeah I just

01:11:34 ◼   ► continued as I was yeah what job do you

01:11:36 ◼   ► think you'd be doing today that's a good

01:11:38 ◼   ► question I'm willing to bet that the job

01:11:41 ◼   ► I would be doing today is I would be a

01:11:45 ◼   ► physics teacher in high school the

01:11:47 ◼   ► difference between me eventually leaving

01:11:50 ◼   ► that career and becoming self-employed

01:11:52 ◼   ► and staying in that career can point

01:11:54 ◼   ► very very directly towards the decisions

01:11:58 ◼   ► of changing myself between high school

01:12:00 ◼   ► and college so both paths took you to be

01:12:02 ◼   ► a physics teacher but just different

01:12:04 ◼   ► kinds of physics teachers one that could

01:12:06 ◼   ► escape and one that couldn't yeah if I'm

01:12:08 ◼   ► trying to like game theory out what is

01:12:10 ◼   ► the most likely thing that the like the

01:12:12 ◼   ► high school version of me would have

01:12:14 ◼   ► done I can't think of a more probable

01:12:17 ◼   ► path than that one the only other career

01:12:20 ◼   ► that was even remotely on the horizon as

01:12:22 ◼   ► a possibility was like being an airline

01:12:23 ◼   ► pilot and I just don't think I would

01:12:26 ◼   ► have been dedicated enough to be able to

01:12:28 ◼   ► do that so I think I would have ended up

01:12:31 ◼   ► as a teacher as well you didn't feel the

01:12:33 ◼   ► need the need for space

01:12:34 ◼   ► let me tell you my thoughts about being

01:12:36 ◼   ► an airline pilot

01:12:37 ◼   ► we're not centered around the need for

01:12:39 ◼   ► speed now this is an interesting

01:12:44 ◼   ► question in which you're either gonna

01:12:46 ◼   ► answer very dismissively or you're gonna

01:12:49 ◼   ► go hmm and have a deeper thought on it

01:12:52 ◼   ► I'm enjoying all these Brady predictions

01:12:54 ◼   ► by the way it could one army of robots

01:12:57 ◼   ► fighting another army of robots ever

01:12:59 ◼   ► decide a war will the time come where a

01:13:02 ◼   ► war is completely decided without humans

01:13:06 ◼   ► entering battle or conflict or violence

01:13:08 ◼   ► I think is the question okay there's two

01:13:10 ◼   ► things here I think not in the world

01:13:14 ◼   ► that were currently imagining I think

01:13:17 ◼   ► you know in a war between

01:13:19 ◼   ► nation states like a war fundamentally

01:13:22 ◼   ► involves human loss and so when you're

01:13:28 ◼   ► talking about a war being decided like I

01:13:31 ◼   ► can imagine a situation where there is a

01:13:33 ◼   ► war in quotes between two nations where

01:13:36 ◼   ► those nations are essentially at a kind

01:13:38 ◼   ► of technological stalemate you know

01:13:40 ◼   ► Russia has drones but the US has

01:13:42 ◼   ► fantastic anti drones and there's like a

01:13:45 ◼   ► angry swarm of drones over the Pacific

01:13:48 ◼   ► Ocean just forever right like not making

01:13:50 ◼   ► any progress forward or backward and

01:13:52 ◼   ► then that becomes like oh this is the

01:13:54 ◼   ► thing in the world what's that oh that's

01:13:55 ◼   ► the great drone war it's been going on

01:13:56 ◼   ► for a hundred years and it never moved

01:13:59 ◼   ► one way or the other and then that's

01:14:01 ◼   ► just not decided it's not Universal

01:14:04 ◼   ► paper clips but for real yeah yeah so I

01:14:06 ◼   ► feel like in nation-state wars there

01:14:10 ◼   ► have to be human casualties involved

01:14:12 ◼   ► that is what forces a nation-state to

01:14:15 ◼   ► capitulate so I feel like there are

01:14:17 ◼   ► always going to be humans involved even

01:14:19 ◼   ► if their only involvement is as a like a

01:14:22 ◼   ► body count to make one side say oh we're

01:14:25 ◼   ► surrendering now on the other side of

01:14:27 ◼   ► that though like imagining a future

01:14:29 ◼   ► without humans where there are just

01:14:31 ◼   ► rival Paperclip optimizers battling with

01:14:34 ◼   ► each other for control of the universe

01:14:35 ◼   ► it's like oh yeah well obviously that's

01:14:38 ◼   ► the future it's only a matter of time

01:14:39 ◼   ► until that occurs wars between robots

01:14:42 ◼   ► can be decided

01:14:43 ◼   ► among those robots but if it's nation

01:14:45 ◼   ► state wars I think humans have to be

01:14:47 ◼   ► involved in in some way the way that was

01:14:50 ◼   ► coming into my head and that what got me

01:14:52 ◼   ► thinking about was all these stories and

01:14:53 ◼   ► I don't even know if they're true

01:14:54 ◼   ► stories or they just like legend and

01:14:56 ◼   ► this never actually happened so you can

01:15:00 ◼   ► tell me but you know how you hear all

01:15:01 ◼   ► these old-fashioned stories of two

01:15:03 ◼   ► armies like meeting on a plane and

01:15:05 ◼   ► instead of just like beating the crap

01:15:07 ◼   ► out of each other

01:15:08 ◼   ► they each send their top warrior to have

01:15:09 ◼   ► like a one-on-one fight and whoever wins

01:15:11 ◼   ► that fight wins the battle I have never

01:15:14 ◼   ► heard of this ever I think it must be

01:15:16 ◼   ► like Greek legend and stuff like that

01:15:18 ◼   ► like it was it happens in I feel like

01:15:20 ◼   ► this happens in Royse yeah yes I never

01:15:23 ◼   ► really happened cuz I always think

01:15:24 ◼   ► that's such a silly thing

01:15:25 ◼   ► because whoever loses will just go

01:15:27 ◼   ► bugger that judge like that a war would

01:15:30 ◼   ► kick off anyway so when I saw that robot

01:15:32 ◼   ► quest

01:15:33 ◼   ► that's what I was thinking I was

01:15:34 ◼   ► imagining two nation-states saying okay

01:15:35 ◼   ► there's a nice empty space over there

01:15:38 ◼   ► let's go and send out two robot armies

01:15:40 ◼   ► and whoever wins but you know wins the

01:15:43 ◼   ► war yeah but I just don't think that

01:15:45 ◼   ► would stick because in that losers will

01:15:46 ◼   ► be like charge it's missing the point of

01:15:49 ◼   ► what a war is for like a war occurs when

01:15:53 ◼   ► you can't come to a diplomatic solution

01:15:55 ◼   ► and agreeing that you're going to abide

01:15:59 ◼   ► by the results of this robot boxing

01:16:01 ◼   ► match is a diplomatic solution yeah if

01:16:05 ◼   ► you can agree to that you can agree to

01:16:07 ◼   ► other things you can agree where the

01:16:08 ◼   ► border will be drawn yeah exactly so

01:16:10 ◼   ► like this concept of what a war is is

01:16:13 ◼   ► like I think you don't understand what

01:16:15 ◼   ► war is like well like war means we've

01:16:17 ◼   ► run out of options except the physical

01:16:20 ◼   ► ones does war mean there's no longer any

01:16:22 ◼   ► honor because what this is all about is

01:16:25 ◼   ► a willingness to honor honor and

01:16:27 ◼   ► agreement so war reaches a point where

01:16:29 ◼   ► you know one can agree anything with any

01:16:31 ◼   ► Honor I think honor is a strange word

01:16:34 ◼   ► here I feel like it's much more just

01:16:35 ◼   ► like you cannot trust the other party to

01:16:38 ◼   ► abide by agreements even if they seem to

01:16:41 ◼   ► be willing to agree they said it's gonna

01:16:44 ◼   ► kill him instead yeah that's like that's

01:16:45 ◼   ► what it is I think that I think that's

01:16:47 ◼   ► what's going on there could a computer

01:16:49 ◼   ► write a poem well yeah yeah easy like

01:16:54 ◼   ► computers do that right now but is it a

01:16:56 ◼   ► poem if there's not a certain intent or

01:16:58 ◼   ► emotion behind it a poem exists in the

01:17:00 ◼   ► mind of the reader not in the writer

01:17:02 ◼   ► yeah it exists in the mind of the reader

01:17:03 ◼   ► not in the writer okay

01:17:05 ◼   ► Oh in that case they of course he

01:17:07 ◼   ► answers yes all these questions about

01:17:09 ◼   ► like what are we talking about here

01:17:10 ◼   ► right it's like this I'm not sure I

01:17:11 ◼   ► agree that apart exists in the mind of

01:17:13 ◼   ► the reader and not the writer maybe it

01:17:15 ◼   ► needs to exist in both but actually

01:17:17 ◼   ► something that is a little bit more

01:17:18 ◼   ► relevant to our careers I don't know if

01:17:22 ◼   ► you've seen them but I've noticed a lot

01:17:24 ◼   ► of these videos that are they're usually

01:17:26 ◼   ► from news sites and their videos but

01:17:29 ◼   ► their videos that just have like stock

01:17:32 ◼   ► image in the background and then

01:17:34 ◼   ► captions that are running through the

01:17:36 ◼   ► basic facts about some situation in the

01:17:38 ◼   ► news yeah they're becoming more and more

01:17:40 ◼   ► common now yeah

01:17:41 ◼   ► you know why they're more common it's

01:17:43 ◼   ► because they're bought created you know

01:17:45 ◼   ► I know a lot of people who are making

01:17:47 ◼   ► humans who are making these things now

01:17:49 ◼   ► the thing that hasn't occurred to me is

01:17:51 ◼   ► that these people are being prepared to

01:17:52 ◼   ► be put out of a job and they don't even

01:17:54 ◼   ► realize it that is what they're just

01:17:56 ◼   ► getting people used to the idea of these

01:17:57 ◼   ► things and also what those people may be

01:17:59 ◼   ► doing without realizing it is that they

01:18:02 ◼   ► are creating part of the data set upon

01:18:04 ◼   ► which the robots are being trained

01:18:06 ◼   ► but like the existence of these

01:18:08 ◼   ► human-made videos is part of the data

01:18:10 ◼   ► set that the company owns which then

01:18:12 ◼   ► they're feeding into like their Markov

01:18:13 ◼   ► generator behind the scenes but it's

01:18:15 ◼   ► really an interesting thing and when I

01:18:17 ◼   ► when I found out that a huge number of

01:18:18 ◼   ► these are produced by robots it's like

01:18:20 ◼   ► oh that makes perfect sense I like it it

01:18:24 ◼   ► makes absolute sense this is why I'm

01:18:25 ◼   ► seeing these all over the place there's

01:18:28 ◼   ► these ways that you can be a be testing

01:18:29 ◼   ► them against each other to try to find

01:18:31 ◼   ► which ones are most effective

01:18:32 ◼   ► bla bla bla bla bla but would you say

01:18:35 ◼   ► that the robot has made a video I think

01:18:38 ◼   ► a robot can make a video yes but let me

01:18:41 ◼   ► read this definition of poem I just

01:18:43 ◼   ► found ago a poem is a piece of writing

01:18:45 ◼   ► in which the expression of feelings and

01:18:48 ◼   ► ideas is given intensity by particular

01:18:51 ◼   ► attention to diction rhythm and imagery

01:18:54 ◼   ► now I think a computer as I understand

01:18:57 ◼   ► them now can handle the diction rhythm

01:18:59 ◼   ► and imagery but can they have the

01:19:00 ◼   ► expression of feelings and ideas that

01:19:03 ◼   ► the poem is based on yeah but by that

01:19:05 ◼   ► definition and by what we think of as

01:19:08 ◼   ► robots today no a robot couldn't write a

01:19:12 ◼   ► poem I'm thinking of this in terms of

01:19:14 ◼   ► the way I think about art like what like

01:19:16 ◼   ► what does it mean to say that the thing

01:19:17 ◼   ► is art and that's always notoriously

01:19:20 ◼   ► tricky and my my fallback is is mostly

01:19:22 ◼   ► like art has to invoke some feeling from

01:19:25 ◼   ► the viewer that's what art is so by my

01:19:30 ◼   ► definition I feel like yeah a an

01:19:32 ◼   ► unconscious thing can produce artwork

01:19:34 ◼   ► which includes poems but by that

01:19:36 ◼   ► definition of what a poem is then

01:19:38 ◼   ► clearly we'd have to come to the other

01:19:39 ◼   ► conclusion that no a robot can't write a

01:19:41 ◼   ► poem because it is not attempting to

01:19:44 ◼   ► express anything but I just don't think

01:19:46 ◼   ► that's a good definition yeah fair

01:19:48 ◼   ► enough it was just the first one I found

01:19:50 ◼   ► suited my miny

01:19:52 ◼   ► are we more alive than a tree no fair

01:19:56 ◼   ► enough

01:19:57 ◼   ► I think alive is a binary state you are

01:20:00 ◼   ► or are not alive

01:20:02 ◼   ► putting aside the very tricky definition

01:20:04 ◼   ► of like what does it mean to be alive

01:20:05 ◼   ► like yeah we're gonna blow right past

01:20:08 ◼   ► that and just say that there's a thing

01:20:10 ◼   ► that we can agree upon which is the

01:20:11 ◼   ► concept of aliveness that is a binary

01:20:14 ◼   ► state has not a floating point integer

01:20:15 ◼   ► we are literally only halfway through

01:20:18 ◼   ► the book so we're only about halfway

01:20:19 ◼   ► through my questions but I think we'd

01:20:20 ◼   ► better stop and we can use the second

01:20:22 ◼   ► half of the book I'll put the second

01:20:24 ◼   ► half of the book back behind the glass

01:20:25 ◼   ► for a glass yet great here's one fine I

01:20:28 ◼   ► want to mull over does your dog think

01:20:32 ◼   ► about you when you're at work or not

01:20:36 ◼   ► around because you and I both work from

01:20:37 ◼   ► home if we work away from home and if

01:20:42 ◼   ► you owned a dog right do dogs think

01:20:45 ◼   ► about their owners when their owners are

01:20:46 ◼   ► at work well what do you think baby part

01:20:49 ◼   ► of me can't imagine a scenario where

01:20:50 ◼   ► they kind of forget you exist and then

01:20:52 ◼   ► when you turn up is the best thing ever

01:20:56 ◼   ► that would explain why they're so

01:20:58 ◼   ► incredibly happy when you get home

01:20:59 ◼   ► because they had forgotten you existed

01:21:01 ◼   ► and you just come back to life I don't

01:21:04 ◼   ► know this comes back to what we

01:21:05 ◼   ► discussed recently about how just how

01:21:06 ◼   ► human dogs are certainly Lulu knows

01:21:09 ◼   ► here's my car from miles away because

01:21:12 ◼   ► she's always at the window when I pull

01:21:13 ◼   ► up but you know again that could just be

01:21:15 ◼   ► a learned response to a certain sound

01:21:16 ◼   ► but I think they do yeah do you think if

01:21:20 ◼   ► you could reach inside the dogs heads

01:21:21 ◼   ► they would know that you exist when they

01:21:23 ◼   ► don't see you there's certainly an

01:21:25 ◼   ► anxiety for something that's missing

01:21:27 ◼   ► mm-hmm that is sated by your

01:21:30 ◼   ► reappearance whether or not they can

01:21:34 ◼   ► visualize what that thing is but whether

01:21:38 ◼   ► they just feel an anxiety or they fit

01:21:40 ◼   ► they're feeling an anxiety that's saying

01:21:41 ◼   ► I wish Brodie was here I just we prayed

01:21:43 ◼   ► he was back he's he's nicely I don't

01:21:46 ◼   ► know I think they probably do well what

01:21:50 ◼   ► do you think for me this is very simple

01:21:52 ◼   ► yeah I don't care what the answer is I

01:21:54 ◼   ► choose to believe that the dogs miss you

01:21:58 ◼   ► when you're gone

01:21:58 ◼   ► when you're gone

00:00:00 ◼   ► hello Internet its future gray here

00:00:01 ◼   ► rushing to edit this episode before I

00:00:04 ◼   ► have to go for this podcast I think you

00:00:07 ◼   ► should pause after each of the questions

00:00:09 ◼   ► and find the answer for yourself before

00:00:12 ◼   ► you let Brady or I convince you of what

00:00:14 ◼   ► is the one true answer if you're

00:00:16 ◼   ► listening with somebody else even better

00:00:18 ◼   ► each of you should try to convince each

00:00:20 ◼   ► other of what the true answer is before

00:00:22 ◼   ► hearing Brady and I talk about it anyway

00:00:24 ◼   ► that's all I wanted to say I'm going to

00:00:26 ◼   ► stop recording now and literally press

00:00:28 ◼   ► the export upload publish buttons as

00:00:31 ◼   ► fast as I can to get this episode out to

00:00:33 ◼   ► you so have a lovely evening

00:00:35 ◼   ► and let the show begin so for the

00:00:40 ◼   ► longest time we have had this sort of I

00:00:44 ◼   ► wouldn't say fear but concern in the

00:00:46 ◼   ► back of our minds that one day we may

00:00:48 ◼   ► come to record how the internet and just

00:00:50 ◼   ► not have anything to say or who run out

00:00:52 ◼   ► of topics and things like that mm-hmm

00:00:54 ◼   ► it has never happened and it hasn't

00:00:57 ◼   ► really happened today either I don't

00:00:59 ◼   ► think but just in case it does happen

00:01:01 ◼   ► I've had a break glass in case of

00:01:02 ◼   ► emergency option sitting in a drawer by

00:01:05 ◼   ► my side for a couple of years now this

00:01:07 ◼   ► is a book that has it really been

00:01:09 ◼   ► sitting there for a couple of years I

00:01:10 ◼   ► guess it has you referenced it enough

00:01:12 ◼   ► when we were doing our little pre-show

00:01:13 ◼   ► chats

00:01:14 ◼   ► I reckon has just been sitting there so

00:01:15 ◼   ► today for a special episode we have

00:01:18 ◼   ► decided to break the glass and use my

00:01:22 ◼   ► emergency podcasting options just I

00:01:25 ◼   ► don't know why I just because I'm sick

00:01:27 ◼   ► of waiting we're gonna do it it does

00:01:31 ◼   ► feel like a thing we'll never get to

00:01:32 ◼   ► because every time we do good record I

00:01:35 ◼   ► think much more so for me I have this

00:01:38 ◼   ► deep fear of like what on earth are we

00:01:40 ◼   ► going to talk about and so many times I

00:01:43 ◼   ► feel like we get to the show and we

00:01:45 ◼   ► barely get to all the topics that we

00:01:46 ◼   ► have because we get caught up in

00:01:48 ◼   ► something that's a total tangent right

00:01:49 ◼   ► at the beginning so it is an unfounded

00:01:52 ◼   ► fear every time but yes it does feel

00:01:54 ◼   ► like we'll never get to this book

00:01:55 ◼   ► otherwise so let's just take a look at

00:01:57 ◼   ► this book okay this is a book I don't

00:02:00 ◼   ► know where it came from or why I have it

00:02:03 ◼   ► I don't think I bought it it doesn't

00:02:05 ◼   ► look like something I would have bought

00:02:06 ◼   ► but it's called the book of thunks of

00:02:10 ◼   ► thunks funks so instead of thinks that

00:02:13 ◼   ► place the IB that you thought okay

00:02:15 ◼   ► that's by a chap named in Gilbert

00:02:19 ◼   ► mmm-hmm I think it's bit of a toilet

00:02:20 ◼   ► book I think it's supposed to be a

00:02:21 ◼   ► conversation book but I see it more as a

00:02:23 ◼   ► toilet that rarified genre hmm it's full

00:02:27 ◼   ► of just one line questions that are

00:02:30 ◼   ► supposed to be thought-provoking or

00:02:33 ◼   ► conversation starters

00:02:35 ◼   ► it also says on here to annoy your

00:02:37 ◼   ► friends and I think a lot of these

00:02:39 ◼   ► questions would be quite effective

00:02:40 ◼   ► annoying your friends it sounds like a

00:02:43 ◼   ► very Brady book then no I don't like the

00:02:45 ◼   ► annoying aspect of it anyway really

00:02:48 ◼   ► because I think you are the king of

00:02:49 ◼   ► asking needling annoying questions of

00:02:52 ◼   ► people when you're interviewing them or

00:02:54 ◼   ► when you're talking to me on a podcast I

00:02:56 ◼   ► feel like you would like that part the

00:02:57 ◼   ► most know some of the men or even may

00:03:00 ◼   ► now there are 300 questions in this book

00:03:03 ◼   ► okay just before the show I went through

00:03:05 ◼   ► with a marker and I've put big red

00:03:07 ◼   ► crosses next to ones that I think hmm I

00:03:09 ◼   ► wouldn't mind asking gray that question

00:03:11 ◼   ► so I'm gonna go through this book I'm

00:03:14 ◼   ► gonna go through all the questions that

00:03:15 ◼   ► I've put crosses next to or at least I'm

00:03:17 ◼   ► gonna go through all the ones until we

00:03:18 ◼   ► get sick of it row and we're gonna see

00:03:21 ◼   ► what you think about them are you gonna

00:03:24 ◼   ► answer these questions as well breeding

00:03:25 ◼   ► if you want me to depends what the

00:03:27 ◼   ► question I would very much one I don't

00:03:28 ◼   ► want to be just on the hook here I don't

00:03:30 ◼   ► need this to be a quiz there situation

00:03:31 ◼   ► it's not like that it's not like that I

00:03:33 ◼   ► will answer questions too if I feel I

00:03:35 ◼   ► have something to contribute mm-hmm now

00:03:37 ◼   ► there are a lot of questions in this

00:03:39 ◼   ► book I'm not gonna ask because some of

00:03:41 ◼   ► them really annoy me because they seem

00:03:42 ◼   ► to come from a place of real science

00:03:44 ◼   ► ignorant or just a logic ignorant so I'm

00:03:47 ◼   ► ignoring all those ones give me an

00:03:48 ◼   ► example of this I'll give you an example

00:03:50 ◼   ► of one what weighs more a piece of blank

00:03:52 ◼   ► paper or a piece of lined paper yeah

00:03:54 ◼   ► that's just an annoying question yeah

00:03:56 ◼   ► there are lots of questions like that

00:03:58 ◼   ► and I feel like I need way more details

00:04:00 ◼   ► to answer that question well that is a

00:04:02 ◼   ► definite problem you will have with

00:04:04 ◼   ► every question anyway we're gonna have

00:04:06 ◼   ► to do with that grace and just as much

00:04:08 ◼   ► as we come to it but that a gray ISM I

00:04:10 ◼   ► don't think so I think that's a

00:04:12 ◼   ► reasonable thing to ask all right let's

00:04:14 ◼   ► go let's I've got the book here you can

00:04:16 ◼   ► you can probably hear the pages here

00:04:18 ◼   ► there we go some nice bully work thank

00:04:20 ◼   ► you

00:04:21 ◼   ► so the first one I put a cross next to

00:04:23 ◼   ► just so happens to be number

00:04:26 ◼   ► eight in the book of 300 okay if the

00:04:31 ◼   ► cure for cancer meant constructing a

00:04:34 ◼   ► huge Factory in Antarctica should we do

00:04:37 ◼   ► it anyway I don't even understand how

00:04:39 ◼   ► that's a question yes what's the

00:04:43 ◼   ► question I don't think they make the

00:04:45 ◼   ► stakes high enough in that question

00:04:46 ◼   ► myself you know like I'd burn down the

00:04:48 ◼   ► rainforest for a cure for cancer so cure

00:04:50 ◼   ► for cancer I was thinking you know maybe

00:04:53 ◼   ► destroying all of Antarctica would that

00:04:55 ◼   ► be worth curing cancer

00:04:56 ◼   ► yeah I'd sink Antarctica under the ocean

00:04:58 ◼   ► I mean cancer kills a lot of people yeah

00:05:00 ◼   ► there's a lot of weight on that side of

00:05:01 ◼   ► the scale I think I'd be pretty hard

00:05:03 ◼   ► pressed to think of anything that

00:05:06 ◼   ► doesn't come close to species destroying

00:05:08 ◼   ► that I wouldn't do to cure cancer okay

00:05:10 ◼   ► are you breaking I think my threshold

00:05:13 ◼   ► would be probably lower than yours

00:05:14 ◼   ► okay so lower then just doesn't destroy

00:05:17 ◼   ► the species as your threshold yeah I

00:05:20 ◼   ► think obliterating Antarctica altogether

00:05:23 ◼   ► I don't know what is in dark touka ever

00:05:25 ◼   ► done for you not much I'm going there

00:05:27 ◼   ► same oh yeah but I would also like a

00:05:29 ◼   ► cure for cancer so I would cancel my

00:05:31 ◼   ► trip and let make your cancer would you

00:05:34 ◼   ► answer change like before and after the

00:05:37 ◼   ► trip like oh you're more hesitant to not

00:05:40 ◼   ► destroy Antarctica before you've gone

00:05:42 ◼   ► but after you've gone do you think you

00:05:43 ◼   ► would be more willing to sink the entire

00:05:46 ◼   ► continent would you be willing to put

00:05:48 ◼   ► several thousand sort of charismatic

00:05:49 ◼   ► fauna species extinct in exchange for a

00:05:52 ◼   ► cure for cancer as long as it meant

00:05:54 ◼   ► humans could still live like you know

00:05:56 ◼   ► get rid of all the elephants and the

00:05:57 ◼   ► lions and the cats and the dogs and no

00:05:59 ◼   ► dogs oh oh I found your weakness if that

00:06:03 ◼   ► is my weakness

00:06:04 ◼   ► uh actually I feel like could I look

00:06:07 ◼   ► into the eyes of a single puppy and

00:06:10 ◼   ► extinguish its life in exchange for a

00:06:12 ◼   ► cure for cancer I feel like I don't know

00:06:14 ◼   ► if I could do that say what you wouldn't

00:06:15 ◼   ► be willing to kill all the puppies in

00:06:17 ◼   ► the world for a cure for cancer oh god I

00:06:19 ◼   ► don't know now I feel immediately like I

00:06:21 ◼   ► need a bunch you know PETA and tactic am

00:06:24 ◼   ► the rain forest you know put a few

00:06:26 ◼   ► puppies on the Block and suddenly it ya

00:06:28 ◼   ► know that's a very different moral

00:06:30 ◼   ► question

00:06:33 ◼   ► Wow that's horrible to realize that this

00:06:35 ◼   ► is the way my brain is prioritizing

00:06:37 ◼   ► these things oh man

00:06:39 ◼   ► that becomes a much harder question yeah

00:06:41 ◼   ► I feel like then I need to know all

00:06:42 ◼   ► sorts of details of the book is not

00:06:43 ◼   ► going to have like does this mean we

00:06:46 ◼   ► will never cure cancer or that we just

00:06:49 ◼   ► won't have the cure now like then I need

00:06:50 ◼   ► to start really lawyering up on what the

00:06:53 ◼   ► exact parameters of this question are

00:06:55 ◼   ► but once you involve puppies I'm going

00:06:57 ◼   ► to become much more hesitant is what's

00:06:59 ◼   ► going on here

00:07:00 ◼   ► it's mr. chump is in Asia at the moment

00:07:02 ◼   ► mr. chompers is not in earshot at the

00:07:04 ◼   ► moment he's going to be returning to the

00:07:06 ◼   ► house very shortly

00:07:07 ◼   ► he had a big bath from getting all muddy

00:07:09 ◼   ► today but he is not currently around

00:07:10 ◼   ► well anyway he probably would've liked

00:07:13 ◼   ► your answer anyway I feel like a

00:07:16 ◼   ► terrible person let's move on to another

00:07:18 ◼   ► question are you more of a success if

00:07:22 ◼   ► you have had five top 40 hit records but

00:07:26 ◼   ► no number ones compared to someone who

00:07:29 ◼   ► is a one-hit wonder who has just had one

00:07:31 ◼   ► number one oh man that's easy that's

00:07:33 ◼   ► easy hmm

00:07:34 ◼   ► it depends entirely on how large the

00:07:37 ◼   ► residuals are like was the tail end of

00:07:40 ◼   ► this just pure dollars yeah it's not a

00:07:43 ◼   ► bad consistency of quality uh it's just

00:07:45 ◼   ► about the money you make oh is that the

00:07:47 ◼   ► I guess that is the question well I

00:07:49 ◼   ► think this is complicated because I

00:07:51 ◼   ► think it's a kid I think when I first

00:07:53 ◼   ► came across the concept of a one-hit

00:07:55 ◼   ► wonder I always found that kind of sad

00:07:58 ◼   ► yeah do you get that same feeling from

00:08:01 ◼   ► like the concept of like a one-hit

00:08:02 ◼   ► wonder that there's something like a

00:08:03 ◼   ► little sad about that

00:08:05 ◼   ► I think it's fluky the person's success

00:08:08 ◼   ► yeah I mean that's one of the ways you

00:08:10 ◼   ► could take this question yeah but I feel

00:08:12 ◼   ► like as I've gotten older like adult me

00:08:15 ◼   ► doesn't have that same feeling with a

00:08:17 ◼   ► one-hit wonder like a one-hit wonder

00:08:20 ◼   ► he's already incredibly successful yeah

00:08:22 ◼   ► it's like sure obviously anybody who's a

00:08:24 ◼   ► one-hit wonder would prefer to be a

00:08:25 ◼   ► two-hit wonder but being a one-hit

00:08:28 ◼   ► wonder is way better than being a zero

00:08:30 ◼   ► hit wonder let me reframe the question

00:08:31 ◼   ► and that completely changes it and in

00:08:34 ◼   ► some ways I think would reverse my

00:08:35 ◼   ► answer okay and that question would be

00:08:37 ◼   ► would you rather win a gold medal at the

00:08:40 ◼   ► Olympics or win thirteen silver medals

00:08:43 ◼   ► over three different Olympic

00:08:45 ◼   ► but no Gold's for me the answer to that

00:08:52 ◼   ► is easy I'm gonna bet you want the gold

00:08:53 ◼   ► right yeah hmm because no one remembers

00:08:56 ◼   ► silver medals in the world of music well

00:08:59 ◼   ► it's not true to say no one remembers

00:09:01 ◼   ► songs that don't get to number one

00:09:02 ◼   ► because a lot of very big songs never

00:09:04 ◼   ► technically got to number one but you

00:09:06 ◼   ► know a number one is a bit like a gold

00:09:07 ◼   ► medal isn't it

00:09:08 ◼   ► yeah this is touching upon like the

00:09:09 ◼   ► power law in entertainment like a

00:09:12 ◼   ► one-hit wonder is ten times more

00:09:14 ◼   ► presence in people's minds than the next

00:09:17 ◼   ► most popular song which is 10 times more

00:09:19 ◼   ► present than the third most popular song

00:09:21 ◼   ► and so what would you get down to the

00:09:23 ◼   ► bottom of the top 40 chart is like oh

00:09:25 ◼   ► yeah those are songs people might

00:09:26 ◼   ► recognize but they're not super

00:09:27 ◼   ► omnipresent in a person's mind I was

00:09:29 ◼   ► just thinking with the silver medals I

00:09:30 ◼   ► think something more impressive if you

00:09:32 ◼   ► can get a bunch of silver medals in

00:09:36 ◼   ► disparate fields this then again it like

00:09:39 ◼   ► a we're getting into the details here

00:09:40 ◼   ► but I think personally I feel like in my

00:09:43 ◼   ► personality I would be happier being

00:09:47 ◼   ► less successful in a wider area of

00:09:51 ◼   ► fields then being super successful in

00:09:55 ◼   ► one field like much to my surprise there

00:09:58 ◼   ► is something that is attractive about

00:10:01 ◼   ► being the kind of person who could win

00:10:03 ◼   ► silver medals in a bunch of events even

00:10:06 ◼   ► if you know like lots of people think

00:10:09 ◼   ► that silver is first loser

00:10:10 ◼   ► that it's not the same as a gold that a

00:10:12 ◼   ► gold is like ten times better than a

00:10:15 ◼   ► silver in people's minds I remember when

00:10:17 ◼   ► I was a little boy I went through a

00:10:18 ◼   ► phase where my favorite color

00:10:20 ◼   ► was silver you know when you say you

00:10:21 ◼   ► have to have a favorite color and a

00:10:22 ◼   ► favorite number

00:10:23 ◼   ► I always said my favorite color is

00:10:25 ◼   ► silver and I was watching the Olympics

00:10:27 ◼   ► with my dad one time and I was watching

00:10:29 ◼   ► the medal ceremony and I said to my dad

00:10:32 ◼   ► you know what I love silver so much I

00:10:34 ◼   ► think I'd rather have a silver medal

00:10:35 ◼   ► than a gold medal and he just looked at

00:10:37 ◼   ► me and said when you grow up you think

00:10:40 ◼   ► differently and he was right he was

00:10:45 ◼   ► right and while it's true like winning

00:10:47 ◼   ► silver medals across disparate

00:10:49 ◼   ► disciplines over a sustained period of

00:10:51 ◼   ► time does show a far greater level of

00:10:54 ◼   ► accomplishment mmm and if you don't

00:10:56 ◼   ► believe me there's an Australian who won

00:10:57 ◼   ► a gold medal at

00:10:59 ◼   ► the Winter Olympics that is the most

00:11:00 ◼   ► cheeky undeserved gold medal in the

00:11:02 ◼   ► history of gold medals you have to tell

00:11:04 ◼   ► me what that is now I'm now I'm curious

00:11:05 ◼   ► what is the most undeserved gold medal

00:11:07 ◼   ► ever to set the scene for you in the

00:11:09 ◼   ► Winter Olympics in some forms of speed

00:11:12 ◼   ► skating you have all these eliminations

00:11:15 ◼   ► and things like that to get to the final

00:11:17 ◼   ► mm-hmm and then the final is four people

00:11:20 ◼   ► okay and this Australian actually got

00:11:24 ◼   ► through to the final of four people he

00:11:26 ◼   ► shouldn't have even been in the final

00:11:27 ◼   ► because all the people in his semi-final

00:11:29 ◼   ► fell over and he made it to the final

00:11:31 ◼   ► okay

00:11:32 ◼   ► so then this was the fire live sent you

00:11:33 ◼   ► the clip his name's Steven Bradbury okay

00:11:36 ◼   ► and he was against three other speed

00:11:38 ◼   ► skaters that were way better than him

00:11:39 ◼   ► and they were going around this really

00:11:41 ◼   ► tight track okay so this is a race this

00:11:43 ◼   ► is just like a pure speed race on the

00:11:45 ◼   ► ice okay pure race pure race there were

00:11:48 ◼   ► four other skaters actually there were

00:11:49 ◼   ► five in the final okay he was just

00:11:51 ◼   ► sitting at the back not a hope in hell

00:11:53 ◼   ► and he'd given up even trying he was

00:11:55 ◼   ► just sitting there watching them

00:11:56 ◼   ► thinking this is amazing that I even

00:11:58 ◼   ► made the final and as the four others

00:12:01 ◼   ► were vying for the medals they got to

00:12:02 ◼   ► the last corner and they all crashed

00:12:04 ◼   ► into each other right at us and he just

00:12:08 ◼   ► like just coasted over the line on his

00:12:10 ◼   ► own like thinking what the hell just

00:12:12 ◼   ► happened and the others were all trying

00:12:14 ◼   ► to stand up and like put a toe over the

00:12:16 ◼   ► line so they could finish and he was

00:12:17 ◼   ► just like oh I just want to gold medal

00:12:20 ◼   ► you can never take that away from him

00:12:22 ◼   ► and of course he's not as great a speed

00:12:25 ◼   ► skater as someone who has won a bunch of

00:12:26 ◼   ► silvers over loads of Olympics but he

00:12:28 ◼   ► still got his gold medal that's amazing

00:12:30 ◼   ► that he's the beneficiary of two flukes

00:12:32 ◼   ► that is fluky he was there in the first

00:12:34 ◼   ► place and that shot is amazing cuz they

00:12:37 ◼   ► they really do crash like 20 feet before

00:12:40 ◼   ► the end of the before the end of the

00:12:42 ◼   ► race yeah you see the others standing up

00:12:44 ◼   ► and just trying to put like their skate

00:12:46 ◼   ► over the line to finish and he just like

00:12:48 ◼   ► drifts past yeah because I'm just

00:12:50 ◼   ► watching the replay here and he's not

00:12:52 ◼   ► even booking it for the finish line like

00:12:54 ◼   ► he's clearly mentally checked is like

00:12:56 ◼   ► inertia just propels him over the finish

00:12:58 ◼   ► line

00:13:02 ◼   ► Wow

00:13:03 ◼   ► Australia go for Australia go for

00:13:06 ◼   ► Australia

00:13:07 ◼   ► I feel like this adds another level to

00:13:09 ◼   ► that question potentially which is

00:13:10 ◼   ► getting a gold getting a bunch of

00:13:12 ◼   ► Silver's

00:13:12 ◼   ► or totally unintentionally getting a

00:13:15 ◼   ► gold okay like just blind luck stumbling

00:13:19 ◼   ► on to success in this manner that's

00:13:21 ◼   ► that's amazing

00:13:24 ◼   ► well Salt Lake 2002 fantastic here any

00:13:28 ◼   ► for another question yep is a horse a

00:13:31 ◼   ► vehicle is a horse a vehicle hmm yeah a

00:13:37 ◼   ► horse is a vehicle I'm trying to stretch

00:13:40 ◼   ► the edges of this I think if you put a

00:13:42 ◼   ► little girl on a big dog that is not a

00:13:45 ◼   ► vehicle because there would be no

00:13:49 ◼   ► driving like a big st. Bernard with the

00:13:52 ◼   ► tiny child on top of it the child doing

00:13:55 ◼   ► no driving but a human on a horse is

00:13:59 ◼   ► doing driving so I'm gonna say yes the

00:14:03 ◼   ► horse is a vehicle and that's the

00:14:05 ◼   ► distinguishing characteristic there

00:14:07 ◼   ► needs to be active driving agree or

00:14:12 ◼   ► disagree don't even care I think it's a

00:14:14 ◼   ► stupid question

00:14:15 ◼   ► what do you mean it's a stupid question

00:14:16 ◼   ► here's a good question uh would it be

00:14:20 ◼   ► okay to blast our rubbish into space

00:14:24 ◼   ► yeah well again like the one with

00:14:26 ◼   ► Antarctica I'm trying to think

00:14:27 ◼   ► my only objections would be pragmatic

00:14:30 ◼   ► there was a video I used to show my

00:14:32 ◼   ► students when we did our little space

00:14:35 ◼   ► module that I always loved which was a

00:14:37 ◼   ► video that was tracking all of the

00:14:40 ◼   ► objects that are currently around earth

00:14:42 ◼   ► yeah this included here's the

00:14:44 ◼   ► International Space Station here's all

00:14:46 ◼   ► the satellites and there's you know

00:14:47 ◼   ► there's a huge number of satellites you

00:14:49 ◼   ► just don't really think about it but

00:14:51 ◼   ► then it was also including all of the

00:14:53 ◼   ► objects in space that could potentially

00:14:55 ◼   ► be a threat to future missions then when

00:14:59 ◼   ► you include that like it's an astounding

00:15:01 ◼   ► number of object like it looks like an

00:15:03 ◼   ► angry swarm of bees yeah it's a credible

00:15:06 ◼   ► now there is a weird problem of scale

00:15:10 ◼   ► here right because space is real big and

00:15:13 ◼   ► you're trying to look at an image on a

00:15:14 ◼   ► screen and how big can that screw be

00:15:16 ◼   ► like there's a funny way that it it

00:15:18 ◼   ► looks fuller than it is yes of course

00:15:20 ◼   ► but still the number is enormous and the

00:15:22 ◼   ► threat is real so my only concern

00:15:26 ◼   ► about space garbage is how accurately

00:15:30 ◼   ► can we fling it directly into the Sun

00:15:32 ◼   ► can we use the Sun as a garbage disposal

00:15:37 ◼   ► system yeah and if we could shoot it

00:15:39 ◼   ► accurately then I would have no problem

00:15:41 ◼   ► with it

00:15:42 ◼   ► I do remember actually doing this as a

00:15:44 ◼   ► unit in one of my physics classes and

00:15:46 ◼   ► university is how hard it is to actually

00:15:49 ◼   ► hit the Sun like if you are launching

00:15:52 ◼   ► something that is not self-guiding it's

00:15:54 ◼   ► remarkably hard to get an object that

00:15:57 ◼   ► would go into the Sun as opposed to

00:16:00 ◼   ► getting captured in some kind of very

00:16:01 ◼   ► long comet orbit and then causing other

00:16:03 ◼   ► problems so I would probably say no

00:16:08 ◼   ► because it's very difficult to imagine a

00:16:10 ◼   ► way that it is practical to do so space

00:16:14 ◼   ► as garbage disposal I would say let's

00:16:16 ◼   ► not do that on practical grounds but if

00:16:18 ◼   ► we came up with like a propulsion system

00:16:20 ◼   ► that was economical mm-hmm and we could

00:16:25 ◼   ► just blast things into space but you

00:16:26 ◼   ► couldn't go for the Sun you just had to

00:16:28 ◼   ► aim out of the solar system and just

00:16:30 ◼   ► send them where they're going like a

00:16:31 ◼   ► Voyager probe you know wherever you end

00:16:33 ◼   ► up you end up right not here so it's

00:16:36 ◼   ► just gonna go where it goes and one day

00:16:37 ◼   ► it'll get captured by some other star

00:16:39 ◼   ► okay so we're just blindly launching

00:16:42 ◼   ► into space yeah yeah don't think too

00:16:44 ◼   ► much about the actual practicalities is

00:16:46 ◼   ► it okay to use the great beyond as a

00:16:50 ◼   ► place just to fling unwanted stuff

00:16:52 ◼   ► everything now I'm worried about drawing

00:16:54 ◼   ► the attention of like a paperclip

00:16:55 ◼   ► maximizing a hey I like where this

00:17:00 ◼   ► garbage come from there's like a gods

00:17:02 ◼   ► must be crazy situation you know yeah

00:17:04 ◼   ► where'd this Falcon having rocket full

00:17:06 ◼   ► of disposed soda cans come from it's

00:17:08 ◼   ► like all right it came from that planet

00:17:10 ◼   ► yeah I would still say though like

00:17:12 ◼   ► putting the potential destruction of the

00:17:13 ◼   ► human species aside I would be okay with

00:17:15 ◼   ► it because space is just so empty it's

00:17:19 ◼   ► almost functionally like throwing it

00:17:21 ◼   ► into a black hole you don't say as this

00:17:22 ◼   ► last pure expanse that hasn't been

00:17:25 ◼   ► sullied by McDonald's wrappers I will

00:17:28 ◼   ► grant that right space is unsullied

00:17:30 ◼   ► presuming that we're the only ones

00:17:31 ◼   ► around mm-hmm but I don't think

00:17:33 ◼   ► unsullied matters if there's nobody

00:17:36 ◼   ► there to experience it isn't us the

00:17:38 ◼   ► argument used by people who want to draw

00:17:40 ◼   ► for oil in Alaska and stuff people say

00:17:42 ◼   ► oh we mustn't do these mining in Alaska

00:17:44 ◼   ► and then the little who are pro mining

00:17:46 ◼   ► say well there's no one there to look at

00:17:47 ◼   ► all this beautiful stuff and these rare

00:17:49 ◼   ► birds anyway I'm susceptible to that

00:17:52 ◼   ► argument I think I'm less susceptible to

00:17:54 ◼   ► it in the drilling in Alaska case

00:17:56 ◼   ► because of concern about externalities

00:17:59 ◼   ► that it's like okay yeah sure if you're

00:18:02 ◼   ► drilling goes okay then everything's

00:18:04 ◼   ► fine but if it doesn't then it's no good

00:18:05 ◼   ► and we also like for entirely human

00:18:08 ◼   ► selfish reasons we have an ecosystem

00:18:09 ◼   ► here that we want to preserve for our

00:18:11 ◼   ► own benefit space just doesn't seem to

00:18:14 ◼   ► have any of those concerns to me yes it

00:18:18 ◼   ► is unsullied but it's just unsullied

00:18:19 ◼   ► emptiness with no conscious experience

00:18:22 ◼   ► whatsoever like it's very hard to

00:18:24 ◼   ► imagine what is the externality here of

00:18:27 ◼   ► we've launched rockets full of McDonnell

00:18:30 ◼   ► trappers into space it's like where

00:18:32 ◼   ► there's nobody there to even see it it's

00:18:35 ◼   ► just like it disappears where I think

00:18:37 ◼   ► the earth is a closed enough system that

00:18:41 ◼   ► you want to be more careful

00:18:43 ◼   ► like if you're sinking a continent into

00:18:45 ◼   ► the ocean you want to make sure you're

00:18:46 ◼   ► really getting something good out of

00:18:47 ◼   ► that you just want to be more careful

00:18:49 ◼   ► with the changes that you're making

00:18:50 ◼   ► I'm gonna guess you don't like sending

00:18:54 ◼   ► trash into space that's my prediction I

00:18:57 ◼   ► find it hard to argue against sending it

00:18:59 ◼   ► into the Sun right but I don't like the

00:19:03 ◼   ► idea of it but I am also aware that the

00:19:04 ◼   ► Apollo astronauts one of the last things

00:19:06 ◼   ► they did before reach takeoff was

00:19:08 ◼   ► chuckle their rubbish out the door

00:19:10 ◼   ► including bags of way it was because

00:19:12 ◼   ► there aren't their poo bags off the

00:19:13 ◼   ► surface of the Moon yeah it's hard for

00:19:16 ◼   ► me to get on too high a horse on this

00:19:17 ◼   ► one but or that objectivity video of

00:19:19 ◼   ► yours that I loved talking with you

00:19:20 ◼   ► about when we were first discussing it

00:19:21 ◼   ► the one where that the Russians exploded

00:19:23 ◼   ► the satellite full of little Russian

00:19:24 ◼   ► coins off the surface of the Moon there

00:19:26 ◼   ► was like sort of like a sphere made of

00:19:28 ◼   ► Penance

00:19:29 ◼   ► right and then the pennants sort of

00:19:30 ◼   ► scattered all over the surface when the

00:19:32 ◼   ► settler impacted yeah there's something

00:19:34 ◼   ► I just I love about that idea is there's

00:19:35 ◼   ► something so childish about that like oh

00:19:38 ◼   ► we're gonna just put a bunch of coins

00:19:40 ◼   ► that say we were here on the surface of

00:19:42 ◼   ► the Moon it is also just totally a kind

00:19:46 ◼   ► of garbage I would love it if they went

00:19:48 ◼   ► and visited those sites when you know

00:19:50 ◼   ► eventually we start going back to the

00:19:51 ◼   ► moon and they found those pennants

00:19:53 ◼   ► awesome there will be real collectors

00:19:55 ◼   ► items someday yeah they will but so

00:19:58 ◼   ► you're okay with the Sun because the Sun

00:20:00 ◼   ► is just an incinerator yeah like an

00:20:01 ◼   ► atomic level incinerator like we could

00:20:03 ◼   ► throw nuclear waste into the Sun but

00:20:05 ◼   ► then you feel more uneasy when you're

00:20:07 ◼   ► talking about the vast emptiness of

00:20:10 ◼   ► space if it was just blasting sewage

00:20:12 ◼   ► towards Alpha Centauri yeah pardon me

00:20:15 ◼   ► would think Oh God

00:20:16 ◼   ► we've crapped all over this planet now

00:20:18 ◼   ► when crapping everywhere else as well

00:20:19 ◼   ► I'm not sure I feel like we have the

00:20:21 ◼   ► right to do it I find that interesting

00:20:23 ◼   ► because like to me the concept of rights

00:20:26 ◼   ► implies that there's someone whose

00:20:30 ◼   ► rights are being infringed upon well I

00:20:32 ◼   ► don't think we know enough to know

00:20:33 ◼   ► whether that's the case or not okay and

00:20:35 ◼   ► I feel like it's not our place you know

00:20:38 ◼   ► I know there are space treaties and

00:20:39 ◼   ► Antarctic treaties and it kind of all

00:20:41 ◼   ► merges into that a bit but I think it

00:20:43 ◼   ► goes beyond that because I still think

00:20:45 ◼   ► with our space treaties Antarctic is

00:20:47 ◼   ► different but with our space treaties

00:20:49 ◼   ► there is a certain arrogance involved in

00:20:52 ◼   ► us deciding amongst ourselves as humans

00:20:54 ◼   ► what can be done with space and how it's

00:20:56 ◼   ► gonna be carved up remind me have you

00:20:58 ◼   ► read the read Mars Ceres the Kim Stanley

00:21:01 ◼   ► Robinson series I only think I've read

00:21:03 ◼   ► the first one yeah I have tried many

00:21:05 ◼   ► times to get through the second - I've

00:21:07 ◼   ► never made it I've given up on that as a

00:21:09 ◼   ► life goal I'm like I'm never gonna make

00:21:11 ◼   ► it through green Mars let alone blue

00:21:13 ◼   ► Mars yeah but I really like them I

00:21:16 ◼   ► reread red Mars maybe just a couple

00:21:18 ◼   ► years ago it holds up as a great science

00:21:21 ◼   ► fiction book but this is like one of the

00:21:22 ◼   ► main themes through that book that I

00:21:25 ◼   ► think is interestingly handled is the

00:21:26 ◼   ► idea of humans around Mars

00:21:28 ◼   ► how much right - humans have to change

00:21:32 ◼   ► Mars from what it is into what the

00:21:35 ◼   ► humans wanted like this is a central

00:21:37 ◼   ► political conflict that takes place in

00:21:38 ◼   ► that book and I think the book is a an

00:21:40 ◼   ► interesting exploration of that idea

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00:23:35 ◼   ► show would a baby born on a deserted

00:23:39 ◼   ► island ever laughs of course a baby on a

00:23:43 ◼   ► deserted island would laugh I think

00:23:46 ◼   ► that's asked like asking if a baby on a

00:23:47 ◼   ► deserted island would see I guess the

00:23:49 ◼   ► question they're getting at more here

00:23:51 ◼   ► and this is a more interesting question

00:23:53 ◼   ► rather than saying would ever laugh

00:23:55 ◼   ► would it ever find something funny like

00:23:58 ◼   ► his humor learned it's getting to be

00:24:00 ◼   ► more subtle but all I was gonna say the

00:24:02 ◼   ► thing that I found interesting when my

00:24:05 ◼   ► friends started having kids I think that

00:24:07 ◼   ► never really crossed my mind before is

00:24:08 ◼   ► that there comes a time when babies

00:24:11 ◼   ► start to laugh that there's like a

00:24:14 ◼   ► period of time where a baby will not

00:24:15 ◼   ► laugh like you get a little trouble baby

00:24:17 ◼   ► and you do a big raspberry on its

00:24:19 ◼   ► stomach and

00:24:20 ◼   ► there's just no response like the wires

00:24:21 ◼   ► aren't hooked up correctly yeah and then

00:24:23 ◼   ► when they get older at some point

00:24:24 ◼   ► they're like oh this is hilarious right

00:24:26 ◼   ► like raspberries on the stomach are the

00:24:27 ◼   ► funniest thing ever but that's because

00:24:29 ◼   ► I've seen you and everyone else laugh at

00:24:31 ◼   ► it but oh yeah I was gonna say it's like

00:24:32 ◼   ► I do think there is something about the

00:24:35 ◼   ► wires are getting hooked up together cuz

00:24:39 ◼   ► a baby born on a deserted island that

00:24:41 ◼   ► and then it becomes like grown-up let's

00:24:43 ◼   ► forget about all the logistics involved

00:24:45 ◼   ► here yeah yeah just and then one day

00:24:46 ◼   ► they see like a giraffe walking on ice

00:24:49 ◼   ► and the giraffe like stumbles and falls

00:24:51 ◼   ► over in a comical way they're not gonna

00:24:53 ◼   ► find that funny

00:24:53 ◼   ► okay the more we talk the less certain

00:24:56 ◼   ► I'm getting because I'm thinking maybe

00:24:57 ◼   ► this is much more like a language thing

00:24:59 ◼   ► like just humor exists in the absence of

00:25:01 ◼   ► other minds but I feel like there's some

00:25:04 ◼   ► part of humor that's like the lowest

00:25:06 ◼   ► part of humor which is really connected

00:25:08 ◼   ► to the idea of surprise yeah that humor

00:25:11 ◼   ► is connected to surprise and a baby

00:25:13 ◼   ► living as an adult is going to at some

00:25:16 ◼   ► point on its Island be surprised by

00:25:20 ◼   ► something and maybe that would trigger a

00:25:22 ◼   ► laugh but I don't know like and the more

00:25:25 ◼   ► I talk the less convinced I am because

00:25:27 ◼   ► there are those cases that you read

00:25:29 ◼   ► about like you know feral children who

00:25:31 ◼   ► are sort of in this situation and the

00:25:33 ◼   ► really fascinating thing is it seems

00:25:35 ◼   ► like for a lot of these cases

00:25:37 ◼   ► reacquiring language skills is just

00:25:40 ◼   ► almost impossible and maybe there's

00:25:43 ◼   ► something like that with humor that if

00:25:45 ◼   ► they're you don't have the concept of

00:25:46 ◼   ► other minds that you just don't develop

00:25:48 ◼   ► this idea a long time ago I heard this

00:25:51 ◼   ► idea about what is humor that I just

00:25:54 ◼   ► love and I think about sometimes but

00:25:56 ◼   ► that humor is like a way that brains are

00:26:01 ◼   ► like debugging other brains or that

00:26:04 ◼   ► brains are figuring out the edges inside

00:26:07 ◼   ► of other brains and I feel like I don't

00:26:10 ◼   ► quite know what that sentence even means

00:26:11 ◼   ► but there's something about it that

00:26:13 ◼   ► strikes me as correct

00:26:15 ◼   ► that like humor is an exploration of

00:26:19 ◼   ► another mind in a different way than

00:26:21 ◼   ► talking is like what makes someone laugh

00:26:27 ◼   ► tells you something about their mind in

00:26:29 ◼   ► a way that is very different from just

00:26:31 ◼   ► talking to them and especially like with

00:26:35 ◼   ► my wife I feel like I can make my wife

00:26:36 ◼   ► really laugh now I like I have a good

00:26:39 ◼   ► sense of like jokes or things that will

00:26:42 ◼   ► make her laugh but there's no way to

00:26:43 ◼   ► verbalize what that is it's like some

00:26:46 ◼   ► other part of my brain has learned how

00:26:49 ◼   ► to get this particular reaction out of

00:26:51 ◼   ► her brain so I don't know I think I have

00:26:54 ◼   ► just talked myself out of this maybe a

00:26:56 ◼   ► baby would never laugh that this is

00:26:58 ◼   ► something that is like language yeah I

00:27:00 ◼   ► think I might be retracting my position

00:27:02 ◼   ► yeah well it was fun watching you work

00:27:04 ◼   ► through it

00:27:05 ◼   ► this next question might be a bit more

00:27:08 ◼   ► up your alley okay if a robot waiter

00:27:11 ◼   ► brings you a drink should you say thank

00:27:14 ◼   ► you well that was a big sigh like this

00:27:18 ◼   ► is really like a conundrum for you it

00:27:21 ◼   ► all hangs on the word should in this

00:27:23 ◼   ► sentence right okay I came across a

00:27:26 ◼   ► parent who had this concern that I found

00:27:29 ◼   ► interesting and the concern was that

00:27:33 ◼   ► Siri and Alexa were turning their child

00:27:39 ◼   ► into an inconsiderate asshole

00:27:41 ◼   ► that is interesting yeah because the

00:27:45 ◼   ► child is just able to issue commands and

00:27:49 ◼   ► the machines just do it

00:27:51 ◼   ► yeah and the machines have no need for

00:27:54 ◼   ► any of the social pleasantries

00:27:57 ◼   ► and that their perception was that this

00:28:02 ◼   ► was bleeding over into other social

00:28:06 ◼   ► interactions that this was not contained

00:28:08 ◼   ► within the environment of like you're

00:28:12 ◼   ► not really talking to alexa like you're

00:28:15 ◼   ► issuing a series of verbal communication

00:28:17 ◼   ► with a robot that like the kid just

00:28:20 ◼   ► wasn't clicking with that so that's the

00:28:23 ◼   ► reason i hesitate there because like do

00:28:26 ◼   ► you need to thank a robot obviously not

00:28:27 ◼   ► do I ever say thank you to Siri no do I

00:28:30 ◼   ► ever say thank you to your toaster yeah

00:28:32 ◼   ► exactly

00:28:32 ◼   ► right like there's no need to do that

00:28:34 ◼   ► there's nothing there I feel like

00:28:37 ◼   ► there's something about society here

00:28:40 ◼   ► like if you have a c-3po looking robot

00:28:42 ◼   ► something that is like sort of human

00:28:45 ◼   ► looking that maybe it's not a bad idea

00:28:48 ◼   ► to just reflexively keep the thank you

00:28:51 ◼   ► even though you know that the robot

00:28:54 ◼   ► doesn't need it just to practice I have

00:28:57 ◼   ► a yeah like it like as a habit now if

00:28:59 ◼   ► the robot is is like oh the table is a

00:29:01 ◼   ► robot and the drinks just appear then it

00:29:03 ◼   ► feels like they come up through a little

00:29:05 ◼   ► slot in the table and I feel like okay

00:29:07 ◼   ► well this is there's nothing human here

00:29:08 ◼   ► but it I feel like if it is an

00:29:10 ◼   ► anthropomorphic robot I could see being

00:29:13 ◼   ► on the side of we as a society should

00:29:16 ◼   ► agree that we're going to keep this

00:29:19 ◼   ► habit in so long as there still exists

00:29:23 ◼   ► human waiters in other situations that

00:29:25 ◼   ► it's like don't lose this but so you say

00:29:27 ◼   ► we should say thank you to say Threepio

00:29:29 ◼   ► but not r2d2 damn it Oh God well okay

00:29:32 ◼   ► Brady you're gonna make me talk about it

00:29:34 ◼   ► droid slavery is clearly a conscious

00:29:39 ◼   ► creature with emotions and feelings and

00:29:42 ◼   ► expressions but if in the real world we

00:29:45 ◼   ► built a robot that looked like r2d2 who

00:29:47 ◼   ► was going around on a floating flotilla

00:29:49 ◼   ► in the desert distributing drinks and we

00:29:52 ◼   ► were reasonably confident that that

00:29:54 ◼   ► robot had no consciousness I feel like

00:29:57 ◼   ► yeah that's a little close to a Roomba

00:29:58 ◼   ► with some drinks on top of it and I feel

00:30:00 ◼   ► like you know I have no need to thank

00:30:01 ◼   ► the Roomba for distributing these drinks

00:30:04 ◼   ► but if it's humanoid I feel like there

00:30:07 ◼   ► is something maybe here but again I may

00:30:10 ◼   ► be extrapolating too far from a

00:30:12 ◼   ► particular case but I found that like an

00:30:15 ◼   ► interesting thing that would never have

00:30:17 ◼   ► crossed my mind before that that it's

00:30:19 ◼   ► making me think about this question a

00:30:20 ◼   ► little bit differently I just had a

00:30:22 ◼   ► great idea for a piece of Star Wars

00:30:23 ◼   ► merchandising who a Roomba that will

00:30:27 ◼   ► fire a lightsaber across the room to you

00:30:29 ◼   ► Return of the Jedi star little slot that

00:30:33 ◼   ► opens up on its top is that what you

00:30:36 ◼   ► want breeding well I would say no you

00:30:40 ◼   ► wouldn't think now I've got another

00:30:43 ◼   ► question okay would you rather live

00:30:45 ◼   ► under a democracy or Undead a

00:30:47 ◼   ► dictatorship led by Father Christmas oh

00:30:50 ◼   ► I need to know a lot about father

00:30:52 ◼   ► Christmas in this

00:30:53 ◼   ► I think you understand the general

00:30:56 ◼   ► concept of father Christmas I mean

00:30:58 ◼   ► there's not a bad bone in his body

00:30:59 ◼   ► I'm gonna just I'm gonna interpret this

00:31:01 ◼   ► as Santa Claus because I think there's a

00:31:03 ◼   ► like a slight difference between father

00:31:04 ◼   ► Christmas and Santa Claus but like I

00:31:05 ◼   ► must say that sounds like a far more

00:31:07 ◼   ► interesting conversation to make what's

00:31:09 ◼   ► the difference during father Christmas

00:31:10 ◼   ► and Santa Claus okay so this is like dim

00:31:12 ◼   ► memories from when I was doing the my

00:31:13 ◼   ► Santa video from years and years ago but

00:31:16 ◼   ► I was reading up on a whole bunch of

00:31:17 ◼   ► stuff and it the conclusion that I

00:31:19 ◼   ► remember coming to and so this this may

00:31:21 ◼   ► be a little bit shaky Internet it's been

00:31:22 ◼   ► a long time but my memory is that father

00:31:26 ◼   ► Christmas was much more like a spirit of

00:31:30 ◼   ► adult Thanksgiving that father Christmas

00:31:33 ◼   ► was like feast and happy times and wine

00:31:37 ◼   ► and fun and that father Christmas was

00:31:39 ◼   ► not like a gift-giving concept no father

00:31:43 ◼   ► Christmas definitely gave me presents

00:31:44 ◼   ► when I was little here's where I was

00:31:46 ◼   ► going with this is that that this is a

00:31:48 ◼   ► thing that starting in like the 40s and

00:31:51 ◼   ► 50s started to get completely subsumed

00:31:53 ◼   ► by the concept of Santa that like Santa

00:31:56 ◼   ► as the gift-giving thing is an idea that

00:31:59 ◼   ► has taken over a lot of other cultures

00:32:02 ◼   ► and that like father Christmas used to

00:32:04 ◼   ► be like a different thing but now and

00:32:07 ◼   ► for the life of everyone who has been

00:32:08 ◼   ► alive in the UK father Christmas is just

00:32:11 ◼   ► like a different name for Santa like

00:32:13 ◼   ► it's one of the thousand names of Santa

00:32:15 ◼   ► yeah but I feel like I don't understand

00:32:16 ◼   ► Santa Claus political ideas I think this

00:32:18 ◼   ► is why it's an interesting question if

00:32:20 ◼   ► Santa Claus was taken from his cushy

00:32:22 ◼   ► life in the North Pole right and he's

00:32:24 ◼   ► and he's one day of work a year yeah how

00:32:27 ◼   ► would he run the world

00:32:28 ◼   ► this I think is the burning question

00:32:30 ◼   ► said of Claus sees everything but he's

00:32:32 ◼   ► not all-powerful presumably in the

00:32:34 ◼   ► situation he has an army right he's a

00:32:36 ◼   ► dictator he has keys that he needs to

00:32:38 ◼   ► keep him power I feel like I would keep

00:32:41 ◼   ► the democracy you know anything Santa

00:32:42 ◼   ► could hold it together I just think that

00:32:45 ◼   ► even if you have the power of all-seeing

00:32:48 ◼   ► sight and all-knowing like a

00:32:50 ◼   ► dictatorship is a okay so if we're

00:32:54 ◼   ► taking Santa Claus and we're putting him

00:32:55 ◼   ► in the real world and he's in charge of

00:32:57 ◼   ► a dictatorship I feel like it's still a

00:32:59 ◼   ► dangerous and precarious situation that

00:33:03 ◼   ► even if you have the power of seeing

00:33:04 ◼   ► every

00:33:05 ◼   ► I'm not going to trust that to last a

00:33:08 ◼   ► long time or to always be able to do

00:33:10 ◼   ► good things even if that is the

00:33:12 ◼   ► intention of Santa Claus so I'm gonna

00:33:14 ◼   ► stick with the democracy instead of a

00:33:16 ◼   ► dictatorship run by Santa there's just

00:33:17 ◼   ► so much goodwill towards Santa Claus now

00:33:19 ◼   ► you can't imagine anyone ever trying to

00:33:21 ◼   ► overthrow him it's Santa he's got a

00:33:23 ◼   ► belly that shakes when he loves I guess

00:33:27 ◼   ► that gives him plus 100 defense against

00:33:30 ◼   ► movies like this that was that belly

00:33:31 ◼   ► does look like so jolly knows who's

00:33:35 ◼   ► gonna throw our Santa yeah but one of

00:33:37 ◼   ► his powers is not like a reality

00:33:40 ◼   ► distortion field like if if he came with

00:33:42 ◼   ► like a foundation style like you will

00:33:45 ◼   ► love me ability like then that's a

00:33:47 ◼   ► different story but I feel like his

00:33:48 ◼   ► primary power is being able to read the

00:33:50 ◼   ► minds of everyone simultaneously and

00:33:52 ◼   ► it's like I wonder if he'd get elected

00:33:53 ◼   ► if he ran for office in a democracy I'm

00:33:56 ◼   ► pretty sure Santa would win by a

00:33:58 ◼   ► landslide he'd get most of the popular

00:34:00 ◼   ► fight but he might get undone by the

00:34:01 ◼   ► electoral college

00:34:02 ◼   ► yeah but I wouldn't mind having some

00:34:04 ◼   ► checks and balances on Santa Claus like

00:34:07 ◼   ► that's the difference here you can win

00:34:08 ◼   ► an election but maybe not just we're

00:34:10 ◼   ► gonna hand you the keys to power

00:34:11 ◼   ► entirely do you use your imagination

00:34:16 ◼   ► when you dream

00:34:18 ◼   ► I know dreamings of a favorite topic

00:34:20 ◼   ► yours I don't understand what that

00:34:23 ◼   ► question means yeah I don't really

00:34:26 ◼   ► either I just saw a dream and thought

00:34:28 ◼   ► other nope oh great yeah let's I feel

00:34:30 ◼   ► like that's a meaningless question if

00:34:32 ◼   ► you do something wrong when you are

00:34:33 ◼   ► drunk

00:34:34 ◼   ► should you feel less guilty than if you

00:34:37 ◼   ► had done it stone-cold sober oh you got

00:34:41 ◼   ► to answer this one Brady you answer this

00:34:43 ◼   ► one because I I feel like this is such a

00:34:44 ◼   ► hard question

00:34:45 ◼   ► this gets like the core of the universe

00:34:47 ◼   ► this question here I don't know the

00:34:49 ◼   ► answer to that you don't know the answer

00:34:50 ◼   ► to that I think you know you were

00:34:52 ◼   ► equipped with less tools to make a good

00:34:54 ◼   ► decision right but you took those tools

00:34:57 ◼   ► away from yourself when you decided to

00:34:58 ◼   ► have a bunch of drinks yeah it's a bit

00:35:01 ◼   ► like oh I was driving a car while

00:35:03 ◼   ► blindfolded no this was like huh I guess

00:35:06 ◼   ► it's less your fault that you got into

00:35:08 ◼   ► an accident but you put on a blindfold

00:35:09 ◼   ► it's like if you're still gonna find

00:35:10 ◼   ► fault there yeah with this question the

00:35:12 ◼   ► reason why I really stumble over it is

00:35:14 ◼   ► because if I were to disassemble this

00:35:17 ◼   ► question I think this question is

00:35:18 ◼   ► actually asking if you were to change

00:35:21 ◼   ► the nature of you are you as responsible

00:35:25 ◼   ► for your actions that very quickly gets

00:35:28 ◼   ► into it a thing where it's like it's

00:35:29 ◼   ► hard to know what to even say and this

00:35:31 ◼   ► like if you've changed yourself to be a

00:35:32 ◼   ► different person are you still

00:35:33 ◼   ► responsible like yes and kind of know it

00:35:38 ◼   ► it's I think this is why the law

00:35:40 ◼   ► wrestles put this subject as well I

00:35:42 ◼   ► can't come down solidly on this I will

00:35:44 ◼   ► just say get something on the record

00:35:47 ◼   ► here there's a thing people do that I

00:35:49 ◼   ► think is a bad habit that people should

00:35:52 ◼   ► get out of I think some people have the

00:35:54 ◼   ► idea that like when they're interacting

00:35:57 ◼   ► with someone who is drunk that somehow

00:36:00 ◼   ► that is the true person and I feel like

00:36:05 ◼   ► that is a strange and bad idea to have

00:36:08 ◼   ► in people's minds that they feel like oh

00:36:10 ◼   ► when the person gets drunk it's like the

00:36:12 ◼   ► veil is lifted onto the inner core of

00:36:14 ◼   ► the person the filters are removed yeah

00:36:17 ◼   ► that very concept of like oh you're

00:36:18 ◼   ► saying the things that you would say or

00:36:21 ◼   ► that you you are thinking but now we can

00:36:24 ◼   ► all see it because you're drunk I feel

00:36:26 ◼   ► like that is a bad idea for people to

00:36:28 ◼   ► have in their minds I think it's

00:36:29 ◼   ► nonsensical like you're dealing with the

00:36:32 ◼   ► person who's essentially a different

00:36:33 ◼   ► person now it's not like you're seeing

00:36:37 ◼   ► the core of the real person I think

00:36:39 ◼   ► that's a a strange and unhelpful idea

00:36:42 ◼   ► that lots of people seem to have I do I

00:36:45 ◼   ► think it's a strange thing to think it

00:36:47 ◼   ► might be a wrong thing to think but I

00:36:50 ◼   ► think it's strange

00:36:51 ◼   ► I see logic to it but it's kind of like

00:36:54 ◼   ► if someone were to take a bunch of LSD

00:36:56 ◼   ► like would you feel like you're seeing

00:36:58 ◼   ► the core of the person while they're

00:36:59 ◼   ► high on LSD I don't think people would

00:37:01 ◼   ► think that I think people have a concept

00:37:03 ◼   ► that oh this is a person whose mind has

00:37:05 ◼   ► now been dramatically changed I feel

00:37:08 ◼   ► like we just don't have that same

00:37:10 ◼   ► concept with something like alcohol

00:37:11 ◼   ► that's true but it's also true that for

00:37:14 ◼   ► example you may know things or have

00:37:16 ◼   ► opinions that you don't share with me

00:37:18 ◼   ► because you don't want to hurt my

00:37:22 ◼   ► feelings or you don't want me to find

00:37:24 ◼   ► out for various reasons and your

00:37:26 ◼   ► intellect is telling you that and if

00:37:28 ◼   ► that was taken away from you temporarily

00:37:29 ◼   ► I could have access to that information

00:37:32 ◼   ► I'm not saying that would tell me

00:37:34 ◼   ► anything little true.you but it would be

00:37:36 ◼   ► like I would find out information I

00:37:37 ◼   ► might not know otherwise I guess maybe

00:37:39 ◼   ► that is where that idea comes from

00:37:40 ◼   ► certain people can let something slip in

00:37:43 ◼   ► a coherent way while they're drinking

00:37:46 ◼   ► yeah that in LSD like all that's gonna

00:37:48 ◼   ► happen is if someone's gonna be hugging

00:37:50 ◼   ► you and telling you how you're a

00:37:51 ◼   ► beautiful butterfly and we're all one

00:37:52 ◼   ► with the universe and you're like okay

00:37:54 ◼   ► man like it's great but they're not like

00:37:56 ◼   ► yeah spilling their secrets okay I

00:37:58 ◼   ► retract strange but I stand by unhelpful

00:38:02 ◼   ► yes is vandalizing a speed camera the

00:38:07 ◼   ► same as vandalizing a lifebuoy by a

00:38:10 ◼   ► river but okay right you could you could

00:38:15 ◼   ► vandalize a speed camera so that

00:38:17 ◼   ► government can't give a bunch of fines

00:38:19 ◼   ► two people for speeding okay

00:38:20 ◼   ► or you could vandalize like a lifebuoy

00:38:22 ◼   ► by the river which is really handy

00:38:24 ◼   ► because it would save people's lives are

00:38:25 ◼   ► those two acts of vandalism equally bad

00:38:30 ◼   ► do you mean like there's buoys that mark

00:38:32 ◼   ► where you're not supposed to swim past

00:38:34 ◼   ► no I think like a ring that you would

00:38:36 ◼   ► throw out to someone to help them if

00:38:38 ◼   ► they were drowning okay yeah presume by

00:38:41 ◼   ► vandalize it like you've made it

00:38:42 ◼   ► non-functional yes not like you've drawn

00:38:44 ◼   ► a naughty picture on it no I feel like

00:38:50 ◼   ► vandalizing that the buoy is way worse I

00:38:52 ◼   ► think that's where the question is

00:38:53 ◼   ► leading one I'm trying like why do I

00:38:56 ◼   ► feel like the buoy is worse and like the

00:38:59 ◼   ► direct one-on-one nature makes it feel

00:39:01 ◼   ► worse like you've fallen off of a cruise

00:39:03 ◼   ► ship into the ocean someone goes to

00:39:04 ◼   ► throw you a lifeline and lol it falls to

00:39:08 ◼   ► pieces because some kid is have slashed

00:39:09 ◼   ► it to bits that feels like it like a

00:39:12 ◼   ► doubly bad situation while the Spade

00:39:14 ◼   ► camera while it can be life-saving

00:39:15 ◼   ► indirectly it's not quite say directly

00:39:18 ◼   ► life-saving and it is also revenue

00:39:20 ◼   ► raising for the government what do you

00:39:23 ◼   ► know it's surely not those things aren't

00:39:25 ◼   ► used for revenue I also feel like

00:39:27 ◼   ► there's a there's a vandalizing the

00:39:30 ◼   ► speed camera is less bad because the

00:39:33 ◼   ► speed cameras work because there are a

00:39:35 ◼   ► lot of them it's like you're attacking a

00:39:38 ◼   ► single node in a network and the

00:39:42 ◼   ► speed-camera its presence or absence is

00:39:45 ◼   ► not necessarily going to have a big

00:39:46 ◼   ► impact on does someone speed a lot or

00:39:49 ◼   ► not but the fact that there are a

00:39:51 ◼   ► hundred speed cameras in the city on

00:39:54 ◼   ► average may have some kind of

00:39:56 ◼   ► suppression effect although like even

00:39:58 ◼   ► how effective that is may be debatable

00:40:00 ◼   ► but like somebody drowning and reaching

00:40:02 ◼   ► out for a floating thing and the

00:40:04 ◼   ► floating thing breaks there's no debate

00:40:06 ◼   ► about that that's just undeniably bad

00:40:08 ◼   ► and in a very clear and direct way so

00:40:11 ◼   ► yeah it's like a speed camera is like a

00:40:14 ◼   ► politician no one likes it but it's kind

00:40:16 ◼   ► of necessary whereas the life boy is

00:40:18 ◼   ► like father Christmas everyone likes

00:40:20 ◼   ► about the Christmas right yeah okay yep

00:40:22 ◼   ► well perfect that's a perfect analogy so

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00:40:47 ◼   ► other domain names already registered

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00:40:56 ◼   ► domains I have a bunch there already I

00:40:58 ◼   ► know gray does too some for current

00:41:00 ◼   ► projects some for upcoming future ideas

00:41:03 ◼   ► maybe something I'm planning to do maybe

00:41:06 ◼   ► a year or two down the line but I know I

00:41:08 ◼   ► want the name now those future domain

00:41:10 ◼   ► names by the way don't have to lay

00:41:11 ◼   ► dormant you can easily redirect them in

00:41:14 ◼   ► the interim for example if you've got a

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00:42:39 ◼   ► think of two things at the same time I

00:42:43 ◼   ► bet you like that question that comes

00:42:47 ◼   ► down to what do you mean by the word

00:42:48 ◼   ► think I'm just reading the words what do

00:42:53 ◼   ► you think do you think two things at the

00:42:55 ◼   ► same time in your head I don't think so

00:42:57 ◼   ► consciously like conscious deliberate

00:43:00 ◼   ► thought right I mean obviously I can

00:43:02 ◼   ► talk to you in juggle at the same time

00:43:03 ◼   ► right but I don't know I don't know how

00:43:06 ◼   ► the brain works I know that's the thing

00:43:11 ◼   ► on the other end of this microphone we

00:43:13 ◼   ► know like oh well let me pull out my PhD

00:43:15 ◼   ► in brain like nope I don't know how

00:43:18 ◼   ► brains work either like just a dude on

00:43:20 ◼   ► the internet who's made a video about

00:43:22 ◼   ► brains like I don't know I'm never aware

00:43:25 ◼   ► of thinking two things at the same time

00:43:27 ◼   ► that's for sure you're at your lack of

00:43:29 ◼   ► internal monologue I also find weird but

00:43:31 ◼   ► um okay so thinking two things at the

00:43:34 ◼   ► same time what I'm thinking here is I

00:43:37 ◼   ► can talk to you right now

00:43:40 ◼   ► while I am visualizing an elephant in my

00:43:43 ◼   ► brain like does that count about as

00:43:45 ◼   ► thinking two things at the same time to

00:43:48 ◼   ► me though maybe I'm wrong about this but

00:43:49 ◼   ► when you're visualizing the elephant and

00:43:51 ◼   ► talking to me you're not actually doing

00:43:54 ◼   ► two things at the same time you're just

00:43:55 ◼   ► jumping between the two things over a

00:43:57 ◼   ► microsecond by microsecond you think

00:43:59 ◼   ► you're switching back and forth between

00:44:00 ◼   ► the two mm-hmm I think at the exact

00:44:03 ◼   ► moment you're actually thinking of the

00:44:05 ◼   ► clever thing you want to say to me you

00:44:07 ◼   ► are momentarily

00:44:08 ◼   ► using the elephant yeah this also gets

00:44:10 ◼   ► really to the core of like I'm not

00:44:12 ◼   ► convinced that talking is thinking

00:44:13 ◼   ► because talking seems to be a thing that

00:44:15 ◼   ► just happens certainly for us in ninety

00:44:17 ◼   ► five episodes of like I mean going to

00:44:20 ◼   ► the very very core of like what we

00:44:21 ◼   ► started talking about the beginning of

00:44:22 ◼   ► this podcast I like to talk about this

00:44:24 ◼   ► as a topic with creative people but it

00:44:26 ◼   ► is a thing that you can make people

00:44:28 ◼   ► aware of just in their regular life

00:44:29 ◼   ► which is like just pay attention while

00:44:32 ◼   ► you're talking and you will realize you

00:44:35 ◼   ► have no idea how you're doing it it's

00:44:37 ◼   ► just a thing that happens and that even

00:44:40 ◼   ► when you think you're thinking about

00:44:41 ◼   ► talking like you don't know where those

00:44:43 ◼   ► thoughts like it is just an automatic

00:44:46 ◼   ► process and there is something about

00:44:48 ◼   ► that realization which is absolutely

00:44:50 ◼   ► terrifying and it is ten times

00:44:53 ◼   ► terrifying when say like you do a

00:44:56 ◼   ► podcast for a living because you have to

00:44:59 ◼   ► come like face to face with the concept

00:45:01 ◼   ► of one of the core things that you do

00:45:03 ◼   ► for a living

00:45:03 ◼   ► you fundamentally have no idea how you

00:45:06 ◼   ► do it it just happens this is what I

00:45:08 ◼   ► mean like the question very quickly gets

00:45:10 ◼   ► to the concept of like what is thinking

00:45:12 ◼   ► because I feel like I could easily say

00:45:15 ◼   ► that talking isn't any kind of thinking

00:45:17 ◼   ► that there's not any thinking that's

00:45:19 ◼   ► occurring while talking is happening and

00:45:21 ◼   ► that visualizing an elephant to me seems

00:45:23 ◼   ► like this is what thinking is or closing

00:45:26 ◼   ► my mouth and then listening to the

00:45:28 ◼   ► internal dialogue in my head that that's

00:45:30 ◼   ► what thinking is and then if you're like

00:45:33 ◼   ► okay thinking is the words that you hear

00:45:34 ◼   ► in your head is like well then that's

00:45:36 ◼   ► very clear there's only ever one voice

00:45:38 ◼   ► talking in your head and if that's what

00:45:40 ◼   ► thoughts are then no it's not possible

00:45:42 ◼   ► to think about two things at once there

00:45:45 ◼   ► is a component to conversation that

00:45:47 ◼   ► obviously isn't talking but there is

00:45:48 ◼   ► that part of you where you're thinking

00:45:50 ◼   ► about what you will say next and you're

00:45:52 ◼   ► even anticipating what that person will

00:45:53 ◼   ► then say to what you're going to say so

00:45:56 ◼   ► conversation is obviously very full of

00:45:58 ◼   ► thought but yeah the actual talking part

00:46:00 ◼   ► when you actually like put the foot down

00:46:02 ◼   ► on the talking accelerator yeah it does

00:46:04 ◼   ► become very strangely automated is

00:46:07 ◼   ► something I think I think I've mentioned

00:46:09 ◼   ► this in how they were internet before

00:46:10 ◼   ► but I noticed it again the other day

00:46:12 ◼   ► actually and I don't know whether I've

00:46:13 ◼   ► Eve ever told me if it happens to you

00:46:16 ◼   ► but if you happen to for some reason

00:46:18 ◼   ► ever hear an old piece of you podcasting

00:46:21 ◼   ► do you find you always almost know

00:46:26 ◼   ► exactly what you're gonna say next and

00:46:28 ◼   ► not because you remember what you said

00:46:29 ◼   ► but just because you're so predictable

00:46:30 ◼   ► in your head like sometimes when I hear

00:46:33 ◼   ► at a conversation that I've had with you

00:46:34 ◼   ► in the past like the silly joke or the

00:46:37 ◼   ► question that I ask next and other thing

00:46:39 ◼   ► I say I very often anticipate and I

00:46:42 ◼   ► don't think it's because I remember the

00:46:43 ◼   ► conversation because I don't I think

00:46:45 ◼   ► it's just because I'm so so predictable

00:46:47 ◼   ► when I'm done with these episodes I

00:46:50 ◼   ► don't think I have ever listened to a

00:46:51 ◼   ► hello internet episode after it's gone

00:46:53 ◼   ► live unless I'm preparing for a show

00:46:58 ◼   ► yeah but even then I haven't done that

00:47:00 ◼   ► very recently but what I do have is a

00:47:03 ◼   ► thing when I am editing let's say that

00:47:06 ◼   ► the only thing I'm doing is I'm looking

00:47:08 ◼   ► at the screen I'm looking at the

00:47:09 ◼   ► waveforms I'm editing the podcast

00:47:11 ◼   ► especially when I'm doing it for the

00:47:13 ◼   ► first time so I'm listening to the raw

00:47:15 ◼   ► conversation exactly as it happened hmm

00:47:18 ◼   ► I'm aware that I can get almost caught

00:47:21 ◼   ► in a weird loop where I don't know how

00:47:25 ◼   ► to describe it but it's almost like my

00:47:26 ◼   ► brain is just like a wagon going

00:47:29 ◼   ► westward in these really well-worn

00:47:31 ◼   ► tracks and there's no ability to even

00:47:33 ◼   ► turn off the tracks mm-hmm it's

00:47:36 ◼   ► sometimes the thing I have to kind of

00:47:37 ◼   ► break out of or it's like what happened

00:47:39 ◼   ► to me I feel like I just disappeared and

00:47:41 ◼   ► this conversation is happening through

00:47:43 ◼   ► my brain and my brain is just this very

00:47:46 ◼   ► predictable machine which is like

00:47:49 ◼   ► repeating the exact things that it is

00:47:53 ◼   ► saying in the past like it's it's very

00:47:56 ◼   ► hard to describe but it does feel like I

00:47:57 ◼   ► lose myself and can kind of forget that

00:48:00 ◼   ► I'm supposed to be here editing a

00:48:02 ◼   ► podcast it's more like my brain has gone

00:48:04 ◼   ► on some kind of autopilot because it's

00:48:06 ◼   ► receiving the exact same inputs and

00:48:10 ◼   ► hearing the exact same outputs that it

00:48:13 ◼   ► would produce so I think this is a

00:48:15 ◼   ► similar experience to what you're

00:48:17 ◼   ► talking about but it's just yeah I think

00:48:20 ◼   ► so too I intentionally especially when

00:48:22 ◼   ► I'm doing the first edit I intentionally

00:48:25 ◼   ► want to have something visual to do

00:48:27 ◼   ► which is very often like playing a video

00:48:28 ◼   ► game because it helps

00:48:31 ◼   ► keep me actually more focused on the

00:48:33 ◼   ► conversation I think that that's that's

00:48:36 ◼   ► part of it is like break this little

00:48:39 ◼   ► self-similar pattern by having something

00:48:41 ◼   ► else that you're paying attention to

00:48:42 ◼   ► that's like I can hear the podcast more

00:48:45 ◼   ► clearly when I'm visually doing

00:48:48 ◼   ► something else and I think that's part

00:48:49 ◼   ► of the reason why I was gonna slightly

00:48:52 ◼   ► modify this next question just to tone

00:48:53 ◼   ► it down but I think it's kind of it's

00:48:55 ◼   ► starkness and harshness is what makes

00:48:57 ◼   ► the question work so I'm gonna read it

00:48:59 ◼   ► as printed go for it would you accept a

00:49:02 ◼   ► heart transplant from a rapist

00:49:04 ◼   ► I mean I'm dying here right yeah I

00:49:06 ◼   ► presume you like at doing it recreation

00:49:07 ◼   ► yeah like it's not recreational heart

00:49:09 ◼   ► transplant surgery yeah um yeah I would

00:49:11 ◼   ► do that I would have no problem with

00:49:13 ◼   ► that because I feel like it is a piece

00:49:15 ◼   ► of meat I wouldn't accept a brain

00:49:17 ◼   ► transplant from a rapist but like if we

00:49:21 ◼   ► could take a rapist and cut him up into

00:49:22 ◼   ► all the different pieces and distribute

00:49:23 ◼   ► them all to people and you could save

00:49:26 ◼   ► lives with those pieces like I don't see

00:49:27 ◼   ► how that's not good

00:49:28 ◼   ► well let me ask her another question

00:49:29 ◼   ► that's a good answer let me change the

00:49:31 ◼   ► question on you hmm if a rapist died and

00:49:34 ◼   ► left all their money to you in their

00:49:36 ◼   ► will and the money wasn't gained by

00:49:39 ◼   ► illegal means right would you accept the

00:49:41 ◼   ► money from a rapist yes that's an easier

00:49:44 ◼   ► one and I would say no but money's money

00:49:46 ◼   ► like heart is a mate yeah your heart is

00:49:50 ◼   ► made a lot isn't it is the Reese yes

00:49:52 ◼   ► that is true you can use that as the

00:49:53 ◼   ► title of the episode if you like oh

00:49:55 ◼   ► you're doing the episode title fishing

00:49:56 ◼   ► while we're doing it now that's that's

00:49:58 ◼   ► terrible radiation I'm thinking of

00:50:00 ◼   ► multiple things at once it you shouldn't

00:50:01 ◼   ► be doing metacognition on the podcast

00:50:03 ◼   ► will holder recording I was also

00:50:04 ◼   ► imagining an elephant as I said the

00:50:08 ◼   ► distinction here is okay so I I I'm

00:50:11 ◼   ► gonna take your modification modify it

00:50:13 ◼   ► again yeah I am a popper in need of

00:50:16 ◼   ► life-saving surgery that I cannot pay

00:50:19 ◼   ► for and a rapist dies and leaves me his

00:50:22 ◼   ► money that I can use to pay for the

00:50:24 ◼   ► surgery would I use the money to pay for

00:50:26 ◼   ► the surgery yes even if it was

00:50:28 ◼   ► ill-gotten money even if it was

00:50:30 ◼   ► ill-gotten money I would use the money

00:50:32 ◼   ► that had been left to me yeah presumably

00:50:34 ◼   ► that this is like not an illegal

00:50:35 ◼   ► situation I don't know exactly how that

00:50:37 ◼   ► works no no yeah that no you're right

00:50:39 ◼   ► you're not breaking the law

00:50:40 ◼   ► right if I am not breaking the law and

00:50:42 ◼   ► like a rapist leaves me some money that

00:50:44 ◼   ► I can use

00:50:45 ◼   ► on a surgery to save my own life I would

00:50:47 ◼   ► totally do that but the situation is now

00:50:49 ◼   ► it's like I am CGP grey podcaster

00:50:52 ◼   ► YouTube creator video game live streamer

00:50:55 ◼   ► dog walker dog well that's dog walker

00:50:57 ◼   ► actually by sheer number of hours that

00:51:00 ◼   ► is now my heart is profession probably

00:51:02 ◼   ► in that situation like a rapist dies and

00:51:05 ◼   ► leaves me some money like that is just

00:51:06 ◼   ► going immediately to a like a woman

00:51:09 ◼   ► shelter right like I'm just redirecting

00:51:10 ◼   ► that money straight away it's like yeah

00:51:12 ◼   ► yeah money is money but the reason that

00:51:15 ◼   ► the original scenario works is because

00:51:17 ◼   ► it's a question about like saving your

00:51:19 ◼   ► life it's nade yeah it's what you see

00:51:21 ◼   ► it's innate must yeah that's what makes

00:51:24 ◼   ► the the difference in that scenario

00:51:26 ◼   ► fair answer would you brainy I am a bit

00:51:29 ◼   ► squeamish about accepting a heart

00:51:30 ◼   ► transplant rapist but I am also a bit

00:51:33 ◼   ► squeamish about dying from heart disease

00:51:35 ◼   ► when I don't have to so the eternal void

00:51:37 ◼   ► that'll wait - yeah - bit squeamish

00:51:39 ◼   ► about that if someone changed your life

00:51:41 ◼   ► for the better

00:51:43 ◼   ► by lying to you would it be a good Act

00:51:46 ◼   ► mmm God I say yes here's a problem I

00:51:52 ◼   ► have with that quite the the phrasing of

00:51:53 ◼   ► that question yeah this reminds me of

00:51:56 ◼   ► like sometimes in movies when you you

00:51:59 ◼   ► are given the like the all-seeing

00:52:01 ◼   ► perspective and you know something for

00:52:03 ◼   ► sure and when you're watching it like

00:52:05 ◼   ► that changes how you perceive characters

00:52:07 ◼   ► in a movie it's like oh but you know for

00:52:09 ◼   ► sure this thing did or did not happen so

00:52:11 ◼   ► I feel like that question is starting

00:52:14 ◼   ► out by positing there like this will for

00:52:17 ◼   ► sure always be a net positive if this

00:52:20 ◼   ► person lies to you and I feel like the

00:52:23 ◼   ► real world is much more complicated than

00:52:27 ◼   ► that but I under the premise that this

00:52:29 ◼   ► question is asking I think the answer is

00:52:32 ◼   ► is yes but I'm I'm very hesitant to say

00:52:36 ◼   ► that as like social stamp of approval

00:52:39 ◼   ► for lying to make people feel better

00:52:44 ◼   ► exactly I think the answer is yes but

00:52:46 ◼   ► they took a tremendous risk I think

00:52:48 ◼   ► there are far far fewer situations where

00:52:51 ◼   ► even things like White Lies but like

00:52:53 ◼   ► lying to make someone better I think

00:52:56 ◼   ► there are fewer ways that actual

00:52:58 ◼   ► works then people think it works right

00:53:02 ◼   ► that's why I feel hesitant about this

00:53:04 ◼   ► just because it's like I don't want

00:53:07 ◼   ► people to hear me like writing a check

00:53:09 ◼   ► that I'm not really going to cash I'm

00:53:11 ◼   ► agreeing under very narrow circumstances

00:53:14 ◼   ► this next question is a bit similar to

00:53:16 ◼   ► something we've already discussed and

00:53:17 ◼   ► it's also high-stakes trolley problem

00:53:20 ◼   ► here no no no the trolley problem if you

00:53:22 ◼   ► could save the planet by wiping out half

00:53:25 ◼   ► the population of the human race should

00:53:27 ◼   ► you wait the planet I don't know I guess

00:53:30 ◼   ► they're saying is it ok to kill half the

00:53:32 ◼   ► humans in the world if they're all going

00:53:34 ◼   ► to die otherwise do you mean the planet

00:53:36 ◼   ► like we're saving Mother Earth because

00:53:38 ◼   ► I'm not real interested in that but is