00:00:05 ◼ ► hello hi John hi Mel run yeah John how's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/5">TS</a>]
00:00:10 ◼ ► it going good how are you good I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/10">TS</a>]
00:00:13 ◼ ► diddling a little bit with some new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/13">TS</a>]
00:00:15 ◼ ► audio and you're my first victim oh yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/15">TS</a>]
00:00:21 ◼ ► this could get real weird I don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/21">TS</a>]
00:00:23 ◼ ► what's happening what's happening there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/23">TS</a>]
00:00:25 ◼ ► oh I'm trying a new interface to my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/25">TS</a>]
00:00:28 ◼ ► computer tell me about it tell me more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/28">TS</a>]
00:00:30 ◼ ► about no I don't get too far is it an is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/30">TS</a>]
00:00:33 ◼ ► yeah no it's D D D all the way down just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/33">TS</a>]
00:00:38 ◼ ► allowed to you know cuz I turned you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/38">TS</a>]
00:00:41 ◼ ► all right well I'm not peeking I got the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/41">TS</a>]
00:00:43 ◼ ► limiter dipswitch I hit the always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/43">TS</a>]
00:00:45 ◼ ► switch I'm always peeking here and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/45">TS</a>]
00:00:47 ◼ ► don't understand why I've got this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/47">TS</a>]
00:00:49 ◼ ► little audio interface that has little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/49">TS</a>]
00:00:51 ◼ ► little meters on it and every time I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/51">TS</a>]
00:00:53 ◼ ► look down it looks right and then I look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/53">TS</a>]
00:00:56 ◼ ► away and I looked back and I've and I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/56">TS</a>]
00:00:59 ◼ ► had a peak I've got some I've got red [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/59">TS</a>]
00:01:03 ◼ ► and I'm and I was like I'm talking right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/63">TS</a>]
00:01:05 ◼ ► now talk this as loud as I get I'm not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/65">TS</a>]
00:01:08 ◼ ► yeah no I'm like a monkey with a slide [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/68">TS</a>]
00:01:09 ◼ ► rule lalala I got this thing and I got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/69">TS</a>]
00:01:12 ◼ ► my 23 ban meter dingus that tells me how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/72">TS</a>]
00:01:15 ◼ ► I'm doing well bands like a Nakamichi [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/75">TS</a>]
00:01:20 ◼ ► cereal it's pretty sweet anyways it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/80">TS</a>]
00:01:27 ◼ ► the most wonderful time we having a good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/87">TS</a>]
00:01:30 ◼ ► week it can't be that bad oh man I did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/90">TS</a>]
00:01:45 ◼ ► an unusual thing what tell me well you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/105">TS</a>]
00:01:49 ◼ ► conference here in town yes is that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/109">TS</a>]
00:01:51 ◼ ► pod Conn pod con and I was put on by I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/111">TS</a>]
00:01:59 ◼ ► think Hank green and his brother Frank [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/119">TS</a>]
00:02:01 ◼ ► green he's from the internet from the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/121">TS</a>]
00:02:04 ◼ ► internet mm-hm and and the the McElroy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/124">TS</a>]
00:02:08 ◼ ► brothers McElroy's and no one called me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/128">TS</a>]
00:02:17 ◼ ► called you nobody called me now what now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/137">TS</a>]
00:02:20 ◼ ► some some fans called me some people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/140">TS</a>]
00:02:22 ◼ ► that were coming through town that were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/142">TS</a>]
00:02:24 ◼ ► like I'm coming to the podcast con oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/144">TS</a>]
00:02:26 ◼ ► and you got coming at you both ways [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/146">TS</a>]
00:02:28 ◼ ► people unempowered to have you up on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/148">TS</a>]
00:02:30 ◼ ► stage they're saying hey where's John [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/150">TS</a>]
00:02:31 ◼ ► Roderick that's right I had a I had a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/151">TS</a>]
00:02:33 ◼ ► local journalist who said hey can you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/153">TS</a>]
00:02:35 ◼ ► can you know can you introduce me to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/155">TS</a>]
00:02:38 ◼ ► mek Elroy's mm-hmm I'm gonna get so many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/158">TS</a>]
00:02:40 ◼ ► letters from them from the McIlroy's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/160">TS</a>]
00:02:43 ◼ ► first and foremost but I think I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/163">TS</a>]
00:02:50 ◼ ► they've I don't think they communicate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/170">TS</a>]
00:02:51 ◼ ► anymore I think I think they've had it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/171">TS</a>]
00:02:55 ◼ ► mentioned me from the stage at their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/175">TS</a>]
00:02:57 ◼ ► show did they always they always thank [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/177">TS</a>]
00:02:59 ◼ ► you at the end of their I don't listen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/179">TS</a>]
00:03:00 ◼ ► to their show but they always thank you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/180">TS</a>]
00:03:02 ◼ ► at the end of every episode and they say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/182">TS</a>]
00:03:03 ◼ ► we're to get a copy of your album it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/183">TS</a>]
00:03:06 ◼ ► wonderful that they do that but no one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/186">TS</a>]
00:03:09 ◼ ► happening in my own town and podcast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/189">TS</a>]
00:03:12 ◼ ► about the Wicked Witch and nobody has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/192">TS</a>]
00:03:17 ◼ ► monkeys so all so but the thing is you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/197">TS</a>]
00:03:22 ◼ ► know when you ask me like how's my week [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/202">TS</a>]
00:03:23 ◼ ► going all that was last week that ended [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/203">TS</a>]
00:03:26 ◼ ► last night this is a brand new week [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/206">TS</a>]
00:03:28 ◼ ► today is a this is all new yeah that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/208">TS</a>]
00:03:31 ◼ ► true that's true but I had a friend in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/211">TS</a>]
00:03:34 ◼ ► town who was here to see the con and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/214">TS</a>]
00:03:36 ◼ ► just got up early a and went out of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/216">TS</a>]
00:03:41 ◼ ► house B to meet her for coffee you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/221">TS</a>]
00:03:45 ◼ ► kidding me before the show hang on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/225">TS</a>]
00:03:48 ◼ ► oh yes you sure you sure you didn't get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/228">TS</a>]
00:03:51 ◼ ► your clock wrong on this very day where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/231">TS</a>]
00:03:53 ◼ ► you record with me at 10:00 a.m. Pacific [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/233">TS</a>]
00:03:55 ◼ ► time you were already up and you've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/235">TS</a>]
00:03:57 ◼ ► already been out of the house and talk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/237">TS</a>]
00:03:58 ◼ ► to somebody was close I got up I started [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/238">TS</a>]
00:04:02 ◼ ► the truck and let it warm up I got out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/242">TS</a>]
00:04:04 ◼ ► with a glove and wiped the frost off the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/244">TS</a>]
00:04:12 ◼ ► chicken-fried steak in eggs oh my god [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/252">TS</a>]
00:04:15 ◼ ► and then back in the saddle at 10:03 you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/255">TS</a>]
00:04:21 ◼ ► ate a chicken-fried steak this morning [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/261">TS</a>]
00:04:25 ◼ ► I already I'm just and I'm going to a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/265">TS</a>]
00:04:27 ◼ ► radio appearance after our show and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/267">TS</a>]
00:04:29 ◼ ► going to my psychiatrist no and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/269">TS</a>]
00:04:32 ◼ ► after that I think I'm going to dinner [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/272">TS</a>]
00:04:35 ◼ ► like fancy dinner somebody's doing all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/275">TS</a>]
00:04:37 ◼ ► these things in one day and one single [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/277">TS</a>]
00:04:39 ◼ ► day so making up for all the other days [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/279">TS</a>]
00:04:43 ◼ ► it's a catch-up day well you can't catch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/283">TS</a>]
00:04:48 ◼ ► chicken-fried steak cuz I need to talk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/288">TS</a>]
00:04:50 ◼ ► to you about food and sleep oh my god [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/290">TS</a>]
00:04:52 ◼ ► I'm so proud of you what a day and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/292">TS</a>]
00:04:55 ◼ ► only you shook it off you shook it off [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/295">TS</a>]
00:04:56 ◼ ► even though the McElroy's and the greens [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/296">TS</a>]
00:04:58 ◼ ► is is did not invite you to their con [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/298">TS</a>]
00:05:00 ◼ ► you see you shook it off and you got you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/300">TS</a>]
00:05:02 ◼ ► got right back in the fray got back on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/302">TS</a>]
00:05:03 ◼ ► course that's right that's right boots [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/303">TS</a>]
00:05:06 ◼ ► on the ground on the way home I started [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/306">TS</a>]
00:05:10 ◼ ► singing as you sometimes do I started [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/310">TS</a>]
00:05:15 ◼ ► Collins's first solo hit its magnum opus [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/315">TS</a>]
00:05:19 ◼ ► in many ways and you know of course I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/319">TS</a>]
00:05:23 ◼ ► was having the regular thoughts that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/323">TS</a>]
00:05:24 ◼ ► have about it what an unusual single [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/324">TS</a>]
00:05:27 ◼ ► what a what an extraordinary choice to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/327">TS</a>]
00:05:31 ◼ ► have as a first single who would have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/331">TS</a>]
00:05:33 ◼ ► thought yeah at this weird song and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/333">TS</a>]
00:05:37 ◼ ► I did the thing that I very seldom do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/337">TS</a>]
00:05:39 ◼ ► which as I said you know even though [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/339">TS</a>]
00:05:42 ◼ ► today is not like Phil Collins day I I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/342">TS</a>]
00:05:48 ◼ ► gonna spend just like two minutes while [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/348">TS</a>]
00:05:50 ◼ ► I'm sitting at this traffic light to get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/350">TS</a>]
00:05:53 ◼ ► a little bit more familiar with in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/353">TS</a>]
00:05:55 ◼ ► air tonight a song that I feel like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/355">TS</a>]
00:05:56 ◼ ► know like at like as well as my own [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/356">TS</a>]
00:06:00 ◼ ► shirt mmm-hmm yeah when I did we've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/360">TS</a>]
00:06:04 ◼ ► lived in that song for a long time oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/364">TS</a>]
00:06:07 ◼ ► up and down with in the air tonight and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/367">TS</a>]
00:06:12 ◼ ► I went and I looked at the lyrics [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/372">TS</a>]
00:06:13 ◼ ► because I was assuming because in all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/373">TS</a>]
00:06:18 ◼ ► the years that we've been listening to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/378">TS</a>]
00:06:19 ◼ ► the song you there's so much story in it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/379">TS</a>]
00:06:23 ◼ ► and I was assuming that there were some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/383">TS</a>]
00:06:27 ◼ ► lyrics that I that I didn't know there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/387">TS</a>]
00:06:30 ◼ ► was some third verse that I'd never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/390">TS</a>]
00:06:31 ◼ ► really looked at that was gonna that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/391">TS</a>]
00:06:35 ◼ ► when I read those lyrics I was just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/395">TS</a>]
00:06:37 ◼ ► gonna be like wow gobsmacked or I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/397">TS</a>]
00:06:43 ◼ ► so I'm sitting at the stoplight I look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/403">TS</a>]
00:06:46 ◼ ► up in the air tonight lyrics and I read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/406">TS</a>]
00:06:49 ◼ ► them and I realize oh I know them all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/409">TS</a>]
00:06:52 ◼ ► yeah there may be less than you even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/412">TS</a>]
00:06:54 ◼ ► thought yeah I know the lyrics there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/414">TS</a>]
00:06:56 ◼ ► only two verses and we could all sing it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/416">TS</a>]
00:06:59 ◼ ► all the way through right now yeah and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/419">TS</a>]
00:07:02 ◼ ► and even more of an accomplishment that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/422">TS</a>]
00:07:07 ◼ ► there's there's nothing in the lyrics [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/427">TS</a>]
00:07:10 ◼ ► you know we all think like oh there he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/430">TS</a>]
00:07:14 ◼ ► oh yeah around four years that I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/434">TS</a>]
00:07:18 ◼ ► has since been don't email me I this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/438">TS</a>]
00:07:21 ◼ ► three went around for a long time that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/441">TS</a>]
00:07:22 ◼ ► it was about actually literally watching [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/442">TS</a>]
00:07:24 ◼ ► somebody drown yeah right like watching [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/444">TS</a>]
00:07:26 ◼ ► watching sting killed his first wife or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/446">TS</a>]
00:07:28 ◼ ► saw Mike ID in 3/4 time yeah please do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/448">TS</a>]
00:07:31 ◼ ► not write me like that no but it turns [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/451">TS</a>]
00:07:34 ◼ ► out it couldn't you know the language is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/454">TS</a>]
00:07:36 ◼ ► broad enough he could just be mad at his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/456">TS</a>]
00:07:39 ◼ ► next-door neighbor this could just be an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/459">TS</a>]
00:07:41 ◼ ► argument he's having with his sister [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/461">TS</a>]
00:07:43 ◼ ► like if I saw you drowning I wouldn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/463">TS</a>]
00:07:45 ◼ ► that's that's the meanest thing in it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/465">TS</a>]
00:07:48 ◼ ► the rest of it is just like you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/468">TS</a>]
00:07:50 ◼ ► what you did you know you know what grin [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/470">TS</a>]
00:07:56 ◼ ► the only the only reason that it is this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/476">TS</a>]
00:08:00 ◼ ► I mean we just we add all that Menace to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/480">TS</a>]
00:08:03 ◼ ► it and I think it's in his voice I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/483">TS</a>]
00:08:08 ◼ ► production don't you think yeah that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/488">TS</a>]
00:08:10 ◼ ► miss appearance right it's the sound of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/490">TS</a>]
00:08:14 ◼ ► but but anyway so I just came away from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/494">TS</a>]
00:08:18 ◼ ► that experience I it's not like I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/498">TS</a>]
00:08:19 ◼ ► heard the song I it's not like it was on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/499">TS</a>]
00:08:21 ◼ ► the radio nothing inspired me to do this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/501">TS</a>]
00:08:26 ◼ ► yeah I just had some chicken-fried steak [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/506">TS</a>]
00:08:28 ◼ ► and I was like whatever do you cover [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/508">TS</a>]
00:08:41 ◼ ► that that'd be all right it's in line [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/521">TS</a>]
00:08:48 ◼ ► with a lot of songs that are hard to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/528">TS</a>]
00:08:49 ◼ ► at karaoke and I think we've talked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/529">TS</a>]
00:08:51 ◼ ► about this before but there's there's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/531">TS</a>]
00:08:53 ◼ ► famous karaoke songs where you think you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/533">TS</a>]
00:08:56 ◼ ► probably shouldn't do that song because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/536">TS</a>]
00:08:58 ◼ ► you don't actually you you remember the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/538">TS</a>]
00:09:00 ◼ ► feel of it but you don't really remember [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/540">TS</a>]
00:09:02 ◼ ► where the stops and starts are and this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/542">TS</a>]
00:09:04 ◼ ► one you know I'm saying it with this one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/544">TS</a>]
00:09:06 ◼ ► there's a lot of air and in this tonight [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/546">TS</a>]
00:09:09 ◼ ► so this song has a lot of space to it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/549">TS</a>]
00:09:12 ◼ ► and Atmospheric sitting you know and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/552">TS</a>]
00:09:13 ◼ ► it's from the time around the time that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/553">TS</a>]
00:09:17 ◼ ► production to great success we think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/557">TS</a>]
00:09:20 ◼ ► about the first three Peter Gabriel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/560">TS</a>]
00:09:21 ◼ ► albums like they had a real feel to them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/561">TS</a>]
00:09:23 ◼ ► there were very simples no symbols is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/563">TS</a>]
00:09:28 ◼ ► that true you know that story you took [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/568">TS</a>]
00:09:30 ◼ ► the symbols away took the symbols away [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/570">TS</a>]
00:09:33 ◼ ► hate that drummers love their cymbals [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/573">TS</a>]
00:09:35 ◼ ► well and I think he was the first one to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/575">TS</a>]
00:09:37 ◼ ► ever do it yeah I think drummers hate it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/577">TS</a>]
00:09:38 ◼ ► I think what drummers hate is Peter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/578">TS</a>]
00:09:40 ◼ ► Gabriel well they're a lot like dogs you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/580">TS</a>]
00:09:43 ◼ ► everything anyway the guy who did who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/583">TS</a>]
00:09:52 ◼ ► did in the air tonight who did was that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/592">TS</a>]
00:09:54 ◼ ► face value face value these dances [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/594">TS</a>]
00:09:58 ◼ ► tonight face dances who produced this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/598">TS</a>]
00:10:18 ◼ ► you padam padam he also the guy was he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/618">TS</a>]
00:10:22 ◼ ► also Peter Gabriel man I think he was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/622">TS</a>]
00:10:24 ◼ ► this is this is stuff that if I were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/624">TS</a>]
00:10:27 ◼ ► reading a copy of tape up magazine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/627">TS</a>]
00:10:31 ◼ ► I would be like right in there right in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/631">TS</a>]
00:10:34 ◼ ► the thick of it throwing elbows but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/634">TS</a>]
00:10:39 ◼ ► sitting here you know sitting here just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/639">TS</a>]
00:10:41 ◼ ► on my hard stool little toadstool I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/641">TS</a>]
00:10:44 ◼ ► just like doo doo doo da people's first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/644">TS</a>]
00:10:49 ◼ ► bob is get over that shit right now come [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/649">TS</a>]
00:10:53 ◼ ► on get out of Dodge so I kind of won I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/653">TS</a>]
00:10:57 ◼ ► pretty happy with that Solsbury Hill [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/657">TS</a>]
00:10:58 ◼ ► business let's let's let's get the guy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/658">TS</a>]
00:11:00 ◼ ► from kiss see again like you can read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/660">TS</a>]
00:11:07 ◼ ► and tape up you'd be throwing elbows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/667">TS</a>]
00:11:09 ◼ ► this feels like a tape up article that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/669">TS</a>]
00:11:12 ◼ ► we should write sorry it's all I took [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/672">TS</a>]
00:11:15 ◼ ► experience you've had an amazing morning [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/675">TS</a>]
00:11:16 ◼ ► capping off a really turbulent week I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/676">TS</a>]
00:11:19 ◼ ► sitting here talking to you about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/679">TS</a>]
00:11:22 ◼ ► well it's not shame on it's not a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/682">TS</a>]
00:11:23 ◼ ► situation like that if we if you had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/683">TS</a>]
00:11:25 ◼ ► given it to the fix if you wanted to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/685">TS</a>]
00:11:28 ◼ ► talk about the fix yeah that's too hard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/688">TS</a>]
00:11:31 ◼ ► of a turn you feel no no I feel like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/691">TS</a>]
00:11:33 ◼ ► would have made the turn to the fix I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/693">TS</a>]
00:11:35 ◼ ► couldn't make the turn to kiss no no I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/695">TS</a>]
00:11:40 ◼ ► met the bob ezrin part is all is all and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/700">TS</a>]
00:11:42 ◼ ► now we got Steve Lillywhite he says he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/702">TS</a>]
00:11:44 ◼ ► wouldn't work with the band more than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/704">TS</a>]
00:11:45 ◼ ► twice but in the case of you two he made [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/705">TS</a>]
00:11:47 ◼ ► an exception for war I feel like I want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/707">TS</a>]
00:11:50 ◼ ► to and want to be a record producer oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/710">TS</a>]
00:11:55 ◼ ► I really do and I don't and when I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/715">TS</a>]
00:11:59 ◼ ► listen to other people's production on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/719">TS</a>]
00:12:03 ◼ ► albums even ones that I love even where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/723">TS</a>]
00:12:06 ◼ ► I love the production as as in my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/726">TS</a>]
00:12:11 ◼ ► evolution as a musician right when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/731">TS</a>]
00:12:12 ◼ ► you're young and you're just listening [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/732">TS</a>]
00:12:13 ◼ ► to music as a listener you don't really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/733">TS</a>]
00:12:15 ◼ ► hear production it's not a thing you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/735">TS</a>]
00:12:17 ◼ ► conscious of yeah it's the stuff you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/737">TS</a>]
00:12:19 ◼ ► not supposed to notice yeah there's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/739">TS</a>]
00:12:21 ◼ ► lot of reverb on there but you don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/741">TS</a>]
00:12:22 ◼ ► notice the subtleties of what's covering [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/742">TS</a>]
00:12:25 ◼ ► the musical spectrum yeah you can't hear [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/745">TS</a>]
00:12:28 ◼ ► you can't hear the work of a producer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/748">TS</a>]
00:12:29 ◼ ► and then we all have I think the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/749">TS</a>]
00:12:32 ◼ ► experience which is most of us that are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/752">TS</a>]
00:12:35 ◼ ► that didn't come up during a hip-hop era [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/755">TS</a>]
00:12:37 ◼ ► who came up during a guitar pop era our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/757">TS</a>]
00:12:42 ◼ ► first awareness of production comes when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/762">TS</a>]
00:12:43 ◼ ► we learn about George Martin and you go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/763">TS</a>]
00:12:46 ◼ ► why the hell are the Beatles so good and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/766">TS</a>]
00:12:47 ◼ ► it's like oh well the production and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/767">TS</a>]
00:12:51 ◼ ► then you get schooled on it and then you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/771">TS</a>]
00:12:53 ◼ ► start hearing the production on a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/773">TS</a>]
00:12:55 ◼ ► things like on Bohemian Rhapsody and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/775">TS</a>]
00:12:57 ◼ ► start hearing the production on then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/777">TS</a>]
00:12:59 ◼ ► then as you if you're a rock person you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/779">TS</a>]
00:13:03 ◼ ► start hearing these stories Oh John [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/783">TS</a>]
00:13:05 ◼ ► microphones close to the drum son oh you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/785">TS</a>]
00:13:09 ◼ ► during the making of of those Pink Floyd [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/789">TS</a>]
00:13:14 ◼ ► albums you know they they Roger was an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/794">TS</a>]
00:13:19 ◼ ► well and it's all like tape loops that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/799">TS</a>]
00:13:21 ◼ ► Alan Parsons came up with it oh look at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/801">TS</a>]
00:13:24 ◼ ► the camera he had the pan slowly and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/804">TS</a>]
00:13:30 ◼ ► gorgeous Dave Gilmour God that guy was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/810">TS</a>]
00:13:32 ◼ ► handsome he's so wonderful I I did a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/812">TS</a>]
00:13:35 ◼ ► deep dive on Gilmour the other day but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/815">TS</a>]
00:13:38 ◼ ► sorry and then then you hear the story [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/818">TS</a>]
00:13:41 ◼ ► about when they were making rumors and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/821">TS</a>]
00:13:42 ◼ ► they lifted up the tape and they could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/822">TS</a>]
00:13:44 ◼ ► see through it because they had done [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/824">TS</a>]
00:13:45 ◼ ► something cocaine off of it but then you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/825">TS</a>]
00:13:50 ◼ ► get into making records like I did and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/830">TS</a>]
00:13:53 ◼ ► now you're confronted with production as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/833">TS</a>]
00:13:56 ◼ ► a very real thing that you're like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/836">TS</a>]
00:13:59 ◼ ► you're learning and deeply engaged in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/839">TS</a>]
00:14:02 ◼ ► where you're like well wait a minute do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/842">TS</a>]
00:14:03 ◼ ► we like I had some profound production [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/843">TS</a>]
00:14:07 ◼ ► moments in the early long winters [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/847">TS</a>]
00:14:10 ◼ ► records because I was collaborating with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/850">TS</a>]
00:14:12 ◼ ► Chris Walla and Chris had a very strong [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/852">TS</a>]
00:14:20 ◼ ► Stringfellow no no he's not listen to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/860">TS</a>]
00:14:32 ◼ ► the podcast well but but I can think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/872">TS</a>]
00:14:36 ◼ ► back to a couple of key moments in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/876">TS</a>]
00:14:41 ◼ ► in the production of that first record [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/881">TS</a>]
00:14:45 ◼ ► where a production choice determined not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/885">TS</a>]
00:14:49 ◼ ► only the sound of the album but the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/889">TS</a>]
00:14:51 ◼ ► sound of the band thence forth Wow when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/891">TS</a>]
00:14:57 ◼ ► I think back on those moments I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/897">TS</a>]
00:15:00 ◼ ► back on them as turning points and in at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/900">TS</a>]
00:15:03 ◼ ► least one case I wish I'd gone the other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/903">TS</a>]
00:15:06 ◼ ► direction I'm so I'm so curious okay so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/906">TS</a>]
00:15:09 ◼ ► it's a song is it is it a particular [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/909">TS</a>]
00:15:15 ◼ ► it was a sound okay it was a sound that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/915">TS</a>]
00:15:19 ◼ ► we got and it was in getting this sound [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/919">TS</a>]
00:15:25 ◼ ► and I'll tell you what the sound was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/925">TS</a>]
00:15:27 ◼ ► mm-hmm the sound was the sound of my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/927">TS</a>]
00:15:34 ◼ ► Juno 106 roland synthesizer which is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/934">TS</a>]
00:15:39 ◼ ► synthesizer that has a lot of you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/939">TS</a>]
00:15:42 ◼ ► manipulate a lot of parameters you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/942">TS</a>]
00:15:43 ◼ ► make it sound like a lot of things but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/943">TS</a>]
00:15:46 ◼ ► primarily you make it sound like a like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/946">TS</a>]
00:15:48 ◼ ► variations on a synthesizer they're good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/948">TS</a>]
00:15:50 ◼ ► at that they're really good it sounds [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/950">TS</a>]
00:15:52 ◼ ► very like a synthesizer no matter to it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/952">TS</a>]
00:15:54 ◼ ► and then we ran the synthesizer into a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/954">TS</a>]
00:15:59 ◼ ► big muff Distortion a big muff fuzz [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/959">TS</a>]
00:16:03 ◼ ► pedal and it created this this wall is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/963">TS</a>]
00:16:12 ◼ ► extremely pleasing the fat of stick [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/972">TS</a>]
00:16:22 ◼ ► fuzziness like a giant like a giant love [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/982">TS</a>]
00:16:28 ◼ ► Caterpillar came in to the room and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/988">TS</a>]
00:16:31 ◼ ► wrapped me in its five thousand little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/991">TS</a>]
00:16:33 ◼ ► stubby green arms and it was like it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/993">TS</a>]
00:16:41 ◼ ► a turning point an in-studio turning [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1001">TS</a>]
00:16:44 ◼ ► point where here was this sound which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1004">TS</a>]
00:16:47 ◼ ► was this like maybe like a Copernicus it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1007">TS</a>]
00:16:51 ◼ ► was happening in the process of that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1011">TS</a>]
00:16:57 ◼ ► experimenting with a song that did not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1017">TS</a>]
00:16:59 ◼ ► have a band arrangement Copernicus was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1019">TS</a>]
00:17:02 ◼ ► this tune then because some of this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1022">TS</a>]
00:17:03 ◼ ► stuff just for a background it's worth I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1023">TS</a>]
00:17:05 ◼ ► think it's worth mentioning that some of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1025">TS</a>]
00:17:07 ◼ ► these have been western states a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1027">TS</a>]
00:17:10 ◼ ► hurricane songs that you had really if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1030">TS</a>]
00:17:13 ◼ ► you changed it up quite a lot I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1033">TS</a>]
00:17:14 ◼ ► it's really amazing to think about how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1034">TS</a>]
00:17:16 ◼ ► many times you play car parts that one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1036">TS</a>]
00:17:17 ◼ ► way and then made it into this pop song [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1037">TS</a>]
00:17:19 ◼ ► you had reinvented some hurricane songs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1039">TS</a>]
00:17:22 ◼ ► and then there was new stuff starting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1042">TS</a>]
00:17:24 ◼ ► from scratch yeah trying to reinvent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1044">TS</a>]
00:17:28 ◼ ► and and going from a band that was that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1048">TS</a>]
00:17:33 ◼ ► was like pretty post-grunge hard rock [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1053">TS</a>]
00:17:38 ◼ ► you know the western state hurricanes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1058">TS</a>]
00:17:40 ◼ ► had big amplifiers and we were allowed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1060">TS</a>]
00:17:41 ◼ ► band and we were in the studio and we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1061">TS</a>]
00:17:44 ◼ ► are making this music that was indeed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1064">TS</a>]
00:17:49 ◼ ► indie rock maybe not proto but we were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1069">TS</a>]
00:17:53 ◼ ► certainly in this in the new quiet as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1073">TS</a>]
00:17:55 ◼ ► the new loud school and i failed to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1075">TS</a>]
00:17:58 ◼ ► quiet in new laughs but that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1078">TS</a>]
00:18:02 ◼ ► certainly that was the that was the new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1082">TS</a>]
00:18:04 ◼ ► aesthetic and i hit and so Copernicus [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1084">TS</a>]
00:18:08 ◼ ► used to be a big rock song and we and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1088">TS</a>]
00:18:12 ◼ ► wasn't we the only reason we were even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1092">TS</a>]
00:18:14 ◼ ► doing it is that we didn't have enough [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1094">TS</a>]
00:18:15 ◼ ► songs to make a whole album and I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1095">TS</a>]
00:18:17 ◼ ► like well what about Copernicus and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1097">TS</a>]
00:18:19 ◼ ► sat down at the piano and I had never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1099">TS</a>]
00:18:22 ◼ ► played it on the piano before and just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1102">TS</a>]
00:18:24 ◼ ► sort of tinkering right and in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1104">TS</a>]
00:18:27 ◼ ► process of trying stuff out hit upon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1107">TS</a>]
00:18:30 ◼ ► this sound and it's not it's not like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1110">TS</a>]
00:18:36 ◼ ► it's not like we were the first person [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1116">TS</a>]
00:18:38 ◼ ► people never run a synthesizer into a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1118">TS</a>]
00:18:39 ◼ ► big buff right it's a it's a fairly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1119">TS</a>]
00:18:44 ◼ ► common thing to try but it it was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1124">TS</a>]
00:18:49 ◼ ► sound that I heard in my in my soul [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1129">TS</a>]
00:18:53 ◼ ► because what it sounded like was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1133">TS</a>]
00:18:56 ◼ ► really big fat guitar but that had no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1136">TS</a>]
00:19:00 ◼ ► strumming it was just you could play [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1140">TS</a>]
00:19:05 ◼ ► transitions but there wasn't any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1145">TS</a>]
00:19:06 ◼ ► rhythmic aspect to the quartz it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1146">TS</a>]
00:19:10 ◼ ► like Dow now now now now now now now it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1150">TS</a>]
00:19:13 ◼ ► was just and you could put that in and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1153">TS</a>]
00:19:22 ◼ ► have guitars on it and base on it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1162">TS</a>]
00:19:26 ◼ ► have rhythmic things and underneath it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1166">TS</a>]
00:19:29 ◼ ► there would be this like not just a low [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1169">TS</a>]
00:19:32 ◼ ► tone but this like kind of just wall [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1172">TS</a>]
00:19:36 ◼ ► this wall of what communicated to me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1176">TS</a>]
00:19:41 ◼ ► the biggest raucous sound and I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1181">TS</a>]
00:19:45 ◼ ► sitting in the studio and we're putting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1185">TS</a>]
00:19:47 ◼ ► this down and my eyes are just as wide [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1187">TS</a>]
00:19:52 ◼ ► as saucers and I'm like reinventing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1192">TS</a>]
00:20:00 ◼ ► everything in my mind and we you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1200">TS</a>]
00:20:02 ◼ ► we're not this isn't like during mixing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1202">TS</a>]
00:20:04 ◼ ► but but we're kind of far along in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1204">TS</a>]
00:20:08 ◼ ► recording and and I'm basically saying I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1208">TS</a>]
00:20:14 ◼ ► want this on everything okay like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1214">TS</a>]
00:20:21 ◼ ► made like pesto for the first time you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1221">TS</a>]
00:20:24 ◼ ► know everything gets pesto yeah but but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1224">TS</a>]
00:20:27 ◼ ► it is it is the sound right I mean if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1227">TS</a>]
00:20:35 ◼ ► you when they were making my bloody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1235">TS</a>]
00:20:37 ◼ ► Valentines Lovelace he took his jazz [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1237">TS</a>]
00:20:42 ◼ ► master and he ran it in probably two a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1242">TS</a>]
00:20:44 ◼ ► big muff anyway he was like that's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1244">TS</a>]
00:20:48 ◼ ► sound and he put everything that that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1248">TS</a>]
00:20:50 ◼ ► whammy bar thing kind of helps to find [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1250">TS</a>]
00:20:52 ◼ ► that sound I think of it that way for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1252">TS</a>]
00:20:54 ◼ ► sure yeah for sure I mean if you if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1254">TS</a>]
00:20:56 ◼ ► read the interviews with him at the time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1256">TS</a>]
00:20:57 ◼ ► he's like we didn't use any synthesizers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1257">TS</a>]
00:20:59 ◼ ► on this it's very simple actually it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1259">TS</a>]
00:21:02 ◼ ► sounds amazing to you but you're not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1262">TS</a>]
00:21:04 ◼ ► thinking straight because it's just like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1264">TS</a>]
00:21:07 ◼ ► basically two or three tracks of guitar [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1267">TS</a>]
00:21:09 ◼ ► in it it's not this crazy thing the more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1269">TS</a>]
00:21:13 ◼ ► you listen to it the less you feel like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1273">TS</a>]
00:21:15 ◼ ► you understand what's going on it's so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1275">TS</a>]
00:21:19 ◼ ► good but it but but it's it's an example [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1279">TS</a>]
00:21:21 ◼ ► and there are there are hundreds of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1281">TS</a>]
00:21:23 ◼ ► examples of bands who just like The [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1283">TS</a>]
00:21:27 ◼ ► Strokes hit upon that vocal sound [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1287">TS</a>]
00:21:30 ◼ ► mm-hm and I made that record and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1290">TS</a>]
00:21:36 ◼ ► anyway I came into the studio the next [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1296">TS</a>]
00:21:39 ◼ ► day and the the the track that we were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1299">TS</a>]
00:21:42 ◼ ► the track that this went down on was not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1302">TS</a>]
00:21:45 ◼ ► Copernicus although Copernicus was where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1305">TS</a>]
00:21:49 ◼ ► what's the one of the dr.dre on it the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1309">TS</a>]
00:21:52 ◼ ► well what song am I thinking of that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1312">TS</a>]
00:21:55 ◼ ► some unsalted butter right right uh no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1315">TS</a>]
00:22:01 ◼ ► it was Meany really that this happened [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1321">TS</a>]
00:22:04 ◼ ► on the first time and you know Mimi is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1324">TS</a>]
00:22:06 ◼ ► very thick production there's a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1326">TS</a>]
00:22:08 ◼ ► going on in that production but and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1328">TS</a>]
00:22:11 ◼ ► thing is I'm I didn't hear this keyboard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1331">TS</a>]
00:22:13 ◼ ► part being the loudest thing in the mix [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1333">TS</a>]
00:22:15 ◼ ► just that he existed that it was this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1335">TS</a>]
00:22:18 ◼ ► like that the chords had this additional [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1338">TS</a>]
00:22:24 ◼ ► fatness that would have been a sound [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1344">TS</a>]
00:22:29 ◼ ► like a unifying sound on an album and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1349">TS</a>]
00:22:33 ◼ ► would have been a unifying sound of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1353">TS</a>]
00:22:35 ◼ ► band whether or not you know like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1355">TS</a>]
00:22:42 ◼ ► whether or not that sound would have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1362">TS</a>]
00:22:44 ◼ ► appealed to people more than the sound [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1364">TS</a>]
00:22:45 ◼ ► that we went with I have no idea and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1365">TS</a>]
00:22:48 ◼ ► don't it's not a thing that that it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1368">TS</a>]
00:22:52 ◼ ► we're speculating about but at the time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1372">TS</a>]
00:22:55 ◼ ► I was like production because there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1375">TS</a>]
00:23:01 ◼ ► wasn't a band the long winters weren't a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1381">TS</a>]
00:23:03 ◼ ► band it wasn't like we were coming in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1383">TS</a>]
00:23:05 ◼ ► and trying to capture our sound it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1385">TS</a>]
00:23:08 ◼ ► like I was in them the rare position of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1388">TS</a>]
00:23:11 ◼ ► being able to say this is the sound of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1391">TS</a>]
00:23:15 ◼ ► new band and I came in the next day and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1395">TS</a>]
00:23:19 ◼ ► was like let's you know let's call that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1399">TS</a>]
00:23:23 ◼ ► up and Kris said yeah I what I tried to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1403">TS</a>]
00:23:31 ◼ ► like make that work and I couldn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1411">TS</a>]
00:23:38 ◼ ► so I recorded over it oh oh that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1418">TS</a>]
00:23:46 ◼ ► aggressive for a billing hammer well I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1426">TS</a>]
00:23:49 ◼ ► mean that was his and and that was you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1429">TS</a>]
00:23:52 ◼ ► know it it was within the 10-minute [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1432">TS</a>]
00:23:54 ◼ ► period that I had this like production [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1434">TS</a>]
00:23:57 ◼ ► and then on the flip side of it like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1437">TS</a>]
00:24:02 ◼ ► because he perceived himself to be the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1442">TS</a>]
00:24:04 ◼ ► producer and that wasn't where that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1444">TS</a>]
00:24:08 ◼ ► wasn't the direction he heard it going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1448">TS</a>]
00:24:10 ◼ ► and we had an argument about it but it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1450">TS</a>]
00:24:15 ◼ ► was but he had erased it it wasn't like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1455">TS</a>]
00:24:19 ◼ ► the tracks down at this point no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1459">TS</a>]
00:24:22 ◼ ► everything was I mean we were we were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1462">TS</a>]
00:24:24 ◼ ► far enough along in the making of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1464">TS</a>]
00:24:26 ◼ ► record that this would have been a this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1466">TS</a>]
00:24:29 ◼ ► would have been a change of direction [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1469">TS</a>]
00:24:30 ◼ ► and and when you are in a situation like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1470">TS</a>]
00:24:35 ◼ ► that where you feel like oh well you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1475">TS</a>]
00:24:38 ◼ ► know we've got to get this done we don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1478">TS</a>]
00:24:41 ◼ ► have the time to do this now and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1481">TS</a>]
00:24:43 ◼ ► look at it from my perspective 15 years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1483">TS</a>]
00:24:46 ◼ ► later and you go you know you had all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1486">TS</a>]
00:24:48 ◼ ► the time in the world to make those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1488">TS</a>]
00:24:51 ◼ ► decisions like yeah the famous adage [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1491">TS</a>]
00:24:53 ◼ ► right you know about your whole life to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1493">TS</a>]
00:24:55 ◼ ► make your first record right you only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1495">TS</a>]
00:24:57 ◼ ► have a year to make your second record [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1497">TS</a>]
00:24:58 ◼ ► right and he didn't you know that wasn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1498">TS</a>]
00:25:04 ◼ ► the sound of production that he had in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1504">TS</a>]
00:25:07 ◼ ► mind and and at that point in his career [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1507">TS</a>]
00:25:16 ◼ ► facilitate the artist as much as his job [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1516">TS</a>]
00:25:19 ◼ ► was be pay a guide to the artist or be a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1519">TS</a>]
00:25:34 ◼ ► so everything that followed from there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1534">TS</a>]
00:25:38 ◼ ► like the second record I took a much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1538">TS</a>]
00:25:41 ◼ ► greater hand in in making production [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1541">TS</a>]
00:25:45 ◼ ► decisions for better and for worse [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1545">TS</a>]
00:25:48 ◼ ► because I was learning production and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1548">TS</a>]
00:25:51 ◼ ► not always you know I at that point kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1551">TS</a>]
00:25:54 ◼ ► of needed a mentor anyway like like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1554">TS</a>]
00:25:59 ◼ ► lot of things in music as I learned more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1559">TS</a>]
00:26:01 ◼ ► and more about production and as I heard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1561">TS</a>]
00:26:03 ◼ ► it more and more then I couldn't listen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1563">TS</a>]
00:26:07 ◼ ► production hearing it in some cases a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1567">TS</a>]
00:26:09 ◼ ► long time before I was listening to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1569">TS</a>]
00:26:13 ◼ ► until production was my primary path [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1573">TS</a>]
00:26:21 ◼ ► into music and I think I arrived at a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1581">TS</a>]
00:26:28 ◼ ► place where if the production is if the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1588">TS</a>]
00:26:31 ◼ ► production doesn't grab me right away I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1591">TS</a>]
00:26:33 ◼ ► don't want to hear the production now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1593">TS</a>]
00:26:36 ◼ ► you know like if if like I keep going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1596">TS</a>]
00:26:42 ◼ ► back to this band always from Canada who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1602">TS</a>]
00:26:46 ◼ ► I think have great production and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1606">TS</a>]
00:26:49 ◼ ► new Portugal demand song I think has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1609">TS</a>]
00:26:51 ◼ ► great production and I want to listen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1611">TS</a>]
00:26:53 ◼ ► and you know Beck records have great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1613">TS</a>]
00:26:55 ◼ ► production I want to listen to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1615">TS</a>]
00:26:56 ◼ ► production on those things but like like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1616">TS</a>]
00:26:59 ◼ ► bad production I it's like listening to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1619">TS</a>]
00:27:03 ◼ ► a bad podcast I just get a you know my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1623">TS</a>]
00:27:08 ◼ ► shoulders hunched up I get that like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1628">TS</a>]
00:27:09 ◼ ► lemon just sucked on a lemon face and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1629">TS</a>]
00:27:14 ◼ ► just have to I just have to get out of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1634">TS</a>]
00:27:16 ◼ ► it I don't want to I don't want to hear [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1636">TS</a>]
00:27:18 ◼ ► it we thought without naming names what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1638">TS</a>]
00:27:20 ◼ ► do you think of we need to go what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1640">TS</a>]
00:27:21 ◼ ► you're calling bad production what what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1641">TS</a>]
00:27:22 ◼ ► is the hallmark of what you consider bad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1642">TS</a>]
00:27:24 ◼ ► production well how it makes you feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1644">TS</a>]
00:27:27 ◼ ► anything with vocoder honor Oh or like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1647">TS</a>]
00:27:30 ◼ ► auto-tune anything with anything with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1650">TS</a>]
00:27:33 ◼ ► what I mean vocoder in particular even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1653">TS</a>]
00:27:35 ◼ ► more than auto-tune is an effect that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1655">TS</a>]
00:27:40 ◼ ► now I mean it's considered almost like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1660">TS</a>]
00:27:45 ◼ ► de rigueur still if you're making a kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1665">TS</a>]
00:27:49 ◼ ► of record absolutely I mean that Kanye [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1669">TS</a>]
00:27:51 ◼ ► record that came out I think he works it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1671">TS</a>]
00:27:55 ◼ ► sometimes well yeah but it was it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1675">TS</a>]
00:27:59 ◼ ► superfluous to need uh as he used it on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1679">TS</a>]
00:28:04 ◼ ► this most recent record and the thing is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1684">TS</a>]
00:28:05 ◼ ► it's know it no longer I understand that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1685">TS</a>]
00:28:07 ◼ ► to us to listeners within the auto-tune [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1687">TS</a>]
00:28:14 ◼ ► slash vocoder genre it is as necessary [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1694">TS</a>]
00:28:18 ◼ ► to the sound of the music as distorted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1698">TS</a>]
00:28:21 ◼ ► guitars are to metal it's just the sound [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1701">TS</a>]
00:28:26 ◼ ► but I just find it like so dull with it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1706">TS</a>]
00:28:31 ◼ ► just don't win it as a sound and when I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1711">TS</a>]
00:28:38 ◼ ► hear it I just go just I'm just I'm out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1718">TS</a>]
00:28:43 ◼ ► and you know the same is true of like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1723">TS</a>]
00:28:49 ◼ ► super super gloss on stuff that I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1729">TS</a>]
00:28:55 ◼ ► and this isn't just coming from a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1735">TS</a>]
00:28:57 ◼ ► low-fiber spective but what are the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1737">TS</a>]
00:28:59 ◼ ► where everything has been glossed to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1739">TS</a>]
00:29:02 ◼ ► point where there's no it's not even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1742">TS</a>]
00:29:05 ◼ ► imperfection in it and I think you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1745">TS</a>]
00:29:08 ◼ ► probably have that same feeling like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1748">TS</a>]
00:29:10 ◼ ► super gloss just puts me out on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1750">TS</a>]
00:29:11 ◼ ► sidewalks it's it's it's weird cuz I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1751">TS</a>]
00:29:15 ◼ ► I'm somewhat out of the vernacular on a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1755">TS</a>]
00:29:17 ◼ ► lot of stuff I mean I'll know like I'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1757">TS</a>]
00:29:19 ◼ ► recognize something as part of this like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1759">TS</a>]
00:29:20 ◼ ► two to three year long trend you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1760">TS</a>]
00:29:24 ◼ ► but it's sometimes something comes along [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1764">TS</a>]
00:29:27 ◼ ► that is is very new and you really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1767">TS</a>]
00:29:30 ◼ ► notice it I mean for vocoder you go back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1770">TS</a>]
00:29:32 ◼ ► to let's say you know zap and Roger or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1772">TS</a>]
00:29:35 ◼ ► something where like they or I guess [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1775">TS</a>]
00:29:37 ◼ ► Peter Frampton before that but but zap [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1777">TS</a>]
00:29:39 ◼ ► and Roger turning into a little bit of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1779">TS</a>]
00:29:40 ◼ ► an art form maybe beat it to death but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1780">TS</a>]
00:29:42 ◼ ► like they did they did something you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1782">TS</a>]
00:29:43 ◼ ► know more bounce to the ounce like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1783">TS</a>]
00:29:45 ◼ ► that's that that is the sound of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1785">TS</a>]
00:29:47 ◼ ► vocoder to me it's something like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1787">TS</a>]
00:29:48 ◼ ► um and then eventually there will be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1788">TS</a>]
00:29:50 ◼ ► people who reintroduce it like Cher yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1790">TS</a>]
00:29:56 ◼ ► supposedly started as an accident I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1796">TS</a>]
00:29:58 ◼ ► think it did and it's it sounds like an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1798">TS</a>]
00:30:00 ◼ ► accident but I think do you believe in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1800">TS</a>]
00:30:02 ◼ ► life after love was the thing that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1802">TS</a>]
00:30:05 ◼ ► turned vocoder from a thing in a memory [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1805">TS</a>]
00:30:09 ◼ ► of the distant past to a thing now that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1809">TS</a>]
00:30:12 ◼ ► you can't you know you can't turn on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1812">TS</a>]
00:30:13 ◼ ► radio without hearing right it felt it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1813">TS</a>]
00:30:15 ◼ ► felt very modern but I'm thinking about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1815">TS</a>]
00:30:17 ◼ ► I don't go to deep down a rabbit hole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1817">TS</a>]
00:30:20 ◼ ► but there's lots of stuff like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1820">TS</a>]
00:30:21 ◼ ► where like you just but sometimes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1821">TS</a>]
00:30:23 ◼ ► somebody is able to take something that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1823">TS</a>]
00:30:24 ◼ ► seems like it's been pretty tired and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1824">TS</a>]
00:30:26 ◼ ► mix it up but but it's it is that there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1826">TS</a>]
00:30:28 ◼ ► is this sense to me of like even in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1828">TS</a>]
00:30:30 ◼ ► genre that I'm not super familiar with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1830">TS</a>]
00:30:31 ◼ ► and this is probably cuz I'm an old man [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1831">TS</a>]
00:30:34 ◼ ► I will tend to tune out rather quickly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1834">TS</a>]
00:30:35 ◼ ► if it sounds like pretty much all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1835">TS</a>]
00:30:39 ◼ ► mmm-hmm but like for example like I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1839">TS</a>]
00:30:41 ◼ ► not the biggest Bon Iver fan in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1841">TS</a>]
00:30:43 ◼ ► world like I'd like his stuff okay but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1843">TS</a>]
00:30:47 ◼ ► christieelee show last night boy the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1847">TS</a>]
00:30:54 ◼ ► I I don't know what he was doing he did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1854">TS</a>]
00:30:57 ◼ ► the song I don't know he's doing this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1857">TS</a>]
00:30:59 ◼ ► leet speak for all the titles of his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1859">TS</a>]
00:31:01 ◼ ► songs but it's something something 45 is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1861">TS</a>]
00:31:03 ◼ ► the name of this song I don't know what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1863">TS</a>]
00:31:05 ◼ ► in the hell instrument or instruments [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1865">TS</a>]
00:31:07 ◼ ► he's playing but unless he had brought [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1867">TS</a>]
00:31:10 ◼ ► with them like some exquisitely talented [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1870">TS</a>]
00:31:14 ◼ ► string and winds group I think it must [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1874">TS</a>]
00:31:17 ◼ ► have been I need to find out what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1877">TS</a>]
00:31:20 ◼ ► instrument he's playing on this because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1880">TS</a>]
00:31:21 ◼ ► I don't think it's live instruments it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1881">TS</a>]
00:31:22 ◼ ► could have been it was so tight it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1882">TS</a>]
00:31:24 ◼ ► unbelievable but it was weird it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1884">TS</a>]
00:31:26 ◼ ► ghostly and it made me really perk up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1886">TS</a>]
00:31:27 ◼ ► and III sat and I put down what I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1887">TS</a>]
00:31:30 ◼ ► doing and I listened to the song like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1890">TS</a>]
00:31:32 ◼ ► gentleman and it's something like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1892">TS</a>]
00:31:33 ◼ ► you realize that that however he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1893">TS</a>]
00:31:35 ◼ ► accomplished that it worked like this so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1895">TS</a>]
00:31:38 ◼ ► he did something really differently and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1898">TS</a>]
00:31:39 ◼ ► it really caught me and it didn't hurt [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1899">TS</a>]
00:31:41 ◼ ► that the song was also you know it had a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1901">TS</a>]
00:31:44 ◼ ► really great feel to it so I I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1904">TS</a>]
00:31:46 ◼ ► know I mean I still think there's so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1906">TS</a>]
00:31:47 ◼ ► much room for something to really catch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1907">TS</a>]
00:31:49 ◼ ► your ear and spark your feeling that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1909">TS</a>]
00:31:51 ◼ ► that googly feeling in your gut of like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1911">TS</a>]
00:31:54 ◼ ► oh this is exciting and new and I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1914">TS</a>]
00:31:56 ◼ ► really glad that somebody went there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1916">TS</a>]
00:31:58 ◼ ► with this you know that that most recent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1918">TS</a>]
00:32:01 ◼ ► boniva record which is called 22 comma a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1921">TS</a>]
00:32:04 ◼ ► million kind of like Portugal is now the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1924">TS</a>]
00:32:07 ◼ ► man I have and it's an example of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1927">TS</a>]
00:32:14 ◼ ► fascinated by the production and to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1934">TS</a>]
00:32:19 ◼ ► point that i was yelling at the speakers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1939">TS</a>]
00:32:21 ◼ ► about it because because listening to it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1941">TS</a>]
00:32:27 ◼ ► there are astonishing choices being made [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1947">TS</a>]
00:32:31 ◼ ► and you could feel the choices are at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1951">TS</a>]
00:32:37 ◼ ► least I could feel the choices being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1957">TS</a>]
00:32:39 ◼ ► made as they went down and and I had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1959">TS</a>]
00:32:42 ◼ ► that experience of being like yes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1962">TS</a>]
00:32:46 ◼ ► yes and then you know just like doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1966">TS</a>]
00:32:52 ◼ ► that that incredible thing that you want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1972">TS</a>]
00:32:54 ◼ ► from an artist which is making a choice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1974">TS</a>]
00:32:56 ◼ ► that both is incredibly gratifying in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1976">TS</a>]
00:33:00 ◼ ► way where it feels like obvious slash [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1980">TS</a>]
00:33:06 ◼ ► almost pandering to my basest needs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1986">TS</a>]
00:33:08 ◼ ► mm-hmm but also completely surprising [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1988">TS</a>]
00:33:11 ◼ ► and not at all what I and it doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1991">TS</a>]
00:33:13 ◼ ► feel right you know just like Wow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1993">TS</a>]
00:33:16 ◼ ► awesome like that was it you yes and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1996">TS</a>]
00:33:20 ◼ ► that's one thing in in this age we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2000">TS</a>]
00:33:22 ◼ ► all so much for media especially movies [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2002">TS</a>]
00:33:24 ◼ ► but in many cases music is so if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2004">TS</a>]
00:33:26 ◼ ► really I hate to be a karma suck but if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2006">TS</a>]
00:33:28 ◼ ► you really really keep scratching at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2008">TS</a>]
00:33:30 ◼ ► surface you realize how much stuff is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2010">TS</a>]
00:33:31 ◼ ► based on nostalgia or how much stuff is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2011">TS</a>]
00:33:33 ◼ ► based on not just a reboot but on like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2013">TS</a>]
00:33:35 ◼ ► repackaging something really familiar [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2015">TS</a>]
00:33:37 ◼ ► and I felt kind of kind of unmoored [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2017">TS</a>]
00:33:40 ◼ ► listening to that song like I'm not sure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2020">TS</a>]
00:33:42 ◼ ► what this thing is but it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2022">TS</a>]
00:33:43 ◼ ► listening to Eno back in the day or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2023">TS</a>]
00:33:44 ◼ ► something we were like what what planet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2024">TS</a>]
00:33:46 ◼ ► is this from well and and so there's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2026">TS</a>]
00:33:50 ◼ ► there's a keyboard the first time I saw [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2030">TS</a>]
00:33:53 ◼ ► Jonathan Coulton had it and then I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2033">TS</a>]
00:33:56 ◼ ► started to see it in the hands of a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2036">TS</a>]
00:33:58 ◼ ► of musicians that I respected and it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2038">TS</a>]
00:34:00 ◼ ► a it was a thing that people were just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2040">TS</a>]
00:34:03 ◼ ► pulling out of their bag right we'd be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2043">TS</a>]
00:34:05 ◼ ► sitting around and I would come this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2045">TS</a>]
00:34:07 ◼ ► little keyboard and it's smaller then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2047">TS</a>]
00:34:09 ◼ ► then an sk7 it's this tiny little thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2049">TS</a>]
00:34:15 ◼ ► it's like it's longer than a paperback [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2055">TS</a>]
00:34:17 ◼ ► book but thinner than a paperback book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2057">TS</a>]
00:34:19 ◼ ► and it's and it's and it's beautiful [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2059">TS</a>]
00:34:21 ◼ ► it's made out of like brushed aluminum [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2061">TS</a>]
00:34:23 ◼ ► and it's it's uh it's like a it's just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2063">TS</a>]
00:34:30 ◼ ► machined so beautifully and it's called [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2070">TS</a>]
00:34:34 ◼ ► a it's called the op1 okay Wow and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2074">TS</a>]
00:34:44 ◼ ► a it's a little just a little synth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2084">TS</a>]
00:34:46 ◼ ► that's made in Stockholm cause this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2086">TS</a>]
00:34:51 ◼ ► thing is gorgeous it's gorgeous and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2091">TS</a>]
00:34:56 ◼ ► and it's a sequencer and it like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2096">TS</a>]
00:34:59 ◼ ► it does all these fun things that are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2099">TS</a>]
00:35:09 ◼ ► hang on I'm I'm looking up I said I said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2109">TS</a>]
00:35:14 ◼ ► sk7 but what I meant was sk-1 like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2114">TS</a>]
00:35:17 ◼ ► Casio the little caffeine yeah I know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2117">TS</a>]
00:35:19 ◼ ► but this is teenaged if you wanna Google [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2119">TS</a>]
00:35:20 ◼ ► this is teenage engineering Opie - one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2120">TS</a>]
00:35:23 ◼ ► and so this is a thing as it looks it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2123">TS</a>]
00:35:26 ◼ ► looks like it would be difficult to tell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2126">TS</a>]
00:35:27 ◼ ► if this were a prop in a movie it would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2127">TS</a>]
00:35:30 ◼ ► be hard to know what decade it's from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2130">TS</a>]
00:35:32 ◼ ► apart you know what I mean it's it's got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2132">TS</a>]
00:35:34 ◼ ► a timeless kind of wackadoo digital [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2134">TS</a>]
00:35:36 ◼ ► quality to it it does and it's you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2136">TS</a>]
00:35:39 ◼ ► it's very gratifying to have in your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2139">TS</a>]
00:35:40 ◼ ► hands like when you press down the keys [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2140">TS</a>]
00:35:42 ◼ ► they feel really satisfyingly kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2142">TS</a>]
00:35:48 ◼ ► solid it's it's a small enough to guess [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2148">TS</a>]
00:35:51 ◼ ► that from looking at this it looks like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2151">TS</a>]
00:35:52 ◼ ► it's just little like like little like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2152">TS</a>]
00:35:54 ◼ ► the pads on like a cheap laptop no it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2154">TS</a>]
00:35:57 ◼ ► not cheap at all it's just it's clicky [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2157">TS</a>]
00:35:59 ◼ ► and it's chunky and it just fit and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2159">TS</a>]
00:36:02 ◼ ► considering how small it is at that if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2162">TS</a>]
00:36:05 ◼ ► it fits in a it fits in your like your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2165">TS</a>]
00:36:09 ◼ ► messenger bag it is surprisingly heavy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2169">TS</a>]
00:36:12 ◼ ► like it's milled there's no plastic on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2172">TS</a>]
00:36:14 ◼ ► it like dance it's dense and it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2174">TS</a>]
00:36:18 ◼ ► big so you could it's not like you could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2178">TS</a>]
00:36:19 ◼ ► sit and like play the grand piano on it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2179">TS</a>]
00:36:22 ◼ ► but within it it has its own it has all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2182">TS</a>]
00:36:26 ◼ ► this processing power I can you can loop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2186">TS</a>]
00:36:28 ◼ ► you there's drums in it you can you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2188">TS</a>]
00:36:31 ◼ ► kind of make all kinds of music out of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2191">TS</a>]
00:36:34 ◼ ► it and Colton pulled it out of his bag [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2194">TS</a>]
00:36:36 ◼ ► and I was like whoa what's that and he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2196">TS</a>]
00:36:37 ◼ ► was like check it out and he's you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2197">TS</a>]
00:36:39 ◼ ► mr. gizmo and so he has pants he'll get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2199">TS</a>]
00:36:44 ◼ ► these things and he'll play him for a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2204">TS</a>]
00:36:45 ◼ ► while and then they'll kind of you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2205">TS</a>]
00:36:47 ◼ ► they end up on his on his gizmo wall and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2207">TS</a>]
00:36:50 ◼ ► he uses them for sure but like you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2210">TS</a>]
00:36:53 ◼ ► if you've ever seen him on tour right he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2213">TS</a>]
00:36:55 ◼ ► pulls out something that whatever that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2215">TS</a>]
00:36:58 ◼ ► crazy is he plays that thing that thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2218">TS</a>]
00:37:05 ◼ ► was that thing was a piece of joke [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2225">TS</a>]
00:37:07 ◼ ► comedy equipment that he turned into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2227">TS</a>]
00:37:09 ◼ ► well like ultimate ultra ultra joke [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2229">TS</a>]
00:37:13 ◼ ► anyway so he really knows what he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2233">TS</a>]
00:37:15 ◼ ► doing with he does good I'm gonna have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2235">TS</a>]
00:37:17 ◼ ► to say like I am not much of a musician [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2237">TS</a>]
00:37:19 ◼ ► but watching him play that it looks like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2239">TS</a>]
00:37:20 ◼ ► there's a million ways that thing could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2240">TS</a>]
00:37:22 ◼ ► go horribly wrong yeah I mean he's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2242">TS</a>]
00:37:25 ◼ ► genius there's no argument stream anyway [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2245">TS</a>]
00:37:27 ◼ ► so I started seeing this op1 get pulled [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2247">TS</a>]
00:37:29 ◼ ► out of bags backstage all the time you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2249">TS</a>]
00:37:32 ◼ ► know it's the type of thing that Matthew [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2252">TS</a>]
00:37:33 ◼ ► cause suddenly had won and and and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2253">TS</a>]
00:37:38 ◼ ► the the problem is it's a thousand bucks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2258">TS</a>]
00:37:41 ◼ ► and so it was the type of thing that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2261">TS</a>]
00:37:45 ◼ ► when I first saw it I felt like I gotta [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2265">TS</a>]
00:37:47 ◼ ► get one of those but then it was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2267">TS</a>]
00:37:51 ◼ ► thousand bucks which is not cheap and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2271">TS</a>]
00:37:55 ◼ ► the thing about an sk1 was that it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2275">TS</a>]
00:37:57 ◼ ► it was cheap it was cheap when it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2277">TS</a>]
00:37:59 ◼ ► new and I mean I used to find them at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2279">TS</a>]
00:38:01 ◼ ► thrift stores for for five to ten [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2281">TS</a>]
00:38:03 ◼ ► dollars this is a thousand bucks and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2283">TS</a>]
00:38:05 ◼ ► it's absolutely worth it feels worth it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2285">TS</a>]
00:38:07 ◼ ► but it turned out that almost everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2287">TS</a>]
00:38:11 ◼ ► on that record 22 comma a million were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2291">TS</a>]
00:38:17 ◼ ► either made with or run through an Opie [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2297">TS</a>]
00:38:22 ◼ ► one wow that is super interesting that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2302">TS</a>]
00:38:26 ◼ ► little fucking gizmo he and this is you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2306">TS</a>]
00:38:30 ◼ ► know boney bears whole trip right he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2310">TS</a>]
00:38:33 ◼ ► made that first record out in his dad's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2313">TS</a>]
00:38:35 ◼ ► cabin on a on a tape machine made out of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2315">TS</a>]
00:38:39 ◼ ► a beer bottle and a raccoon tail and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2319">TS</a>]
00:38:44 ◼ ► you go like well done like dude well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2324">TS</a>]
00:38:47 ◼ ► done like creative guy and when this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2327">TS</a>]
00:38:51 ◼ ► record came out part of the part of my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2331">TS</a>]
00:38:53 ◼ ► experience of listening to it the first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2333">TS</a>]
00:38:54 ◼ ► couple times was like oh ho well now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2334">TS</a>]
00:38:57 ◼ ► you're now you're mister got all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2337">TS</a>]
00:39:00 ◼ ► money in the world and so you're just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2340">TS</a>]
00:39:04 ◼ ► like you got a fare like yeah right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2344">TS</a>]
00:39:08 ◼ ► you're making you're making like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2348">TS</a>]
00:39:09 ◼ ► billion dollar record in a studio you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2349">TS</a>]
00:39:11 ◼ ► probably like every day somebody brings [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2351">TS</a>]
00:39:14 ◼ ► in a giant tray of chopped crap all that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2354">TS</a>]
00:39:18 ◼ ► nobody needs and then the Dark Twisted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2358">TS</a>]
00:39:20 ◼ ► Fantasy Island he's out there and people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2360">TS</a>]
00:39:21 ◼ ► just hanging out on the couch for like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2361">TS</a>]
00:39:22 ◼ ► just months making the album right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2362">TS</a>]
00:39:25 ◼ ► but in fact it's him with this fucking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2365">TS</a>]
00:39:28 ◼ ► little thing and and what I was yelling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2368">TS</a>]
00:39:33 ◼ ► at about the production is that that it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2373">TS</a>]
00:39:36 ◼ ► was the best kind of yelling at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2376">TS</a>]
00:39:39 ◼ ► radio for me now which is that I could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2379">TS</a>]
00:39:42 ◼ ► feel myself in that chair I could feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2382">TS</a>]
00:39:44 ◼ ► myself as the producer of that record [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2384">TS</a>]
00:39:46 ◼ ► and I heard choices that I disagreed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2386">TS</a>]
00:39:50 ◼ ► with and you know and the thing is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2390">TS</a>]
00:39:53 ◼ ► they're tiny it's just like no no no no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2393">TS</a>]
00:39:55 ◼ ► no no don't you put the effect on it the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2395">TS</a>]
00:39:58 ◼ ► first time then leave it off the second [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2398">TS</a>]
00:40:01 ◼ ► time and when it came back or you could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2401">TS</a>]
00:40:03 ◼ ► feel it coming back around and I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2403">TS</a>]
00:40:04 ◼ ► like you're gonna have that effect on it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2404">TS</a>]
00:40:06 ◼ ► and that's the wrong choice and it came [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2406">TS</a>]
00:40:08 ◼ ► back around and it didn't have the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2408">TS</a>]
00:40:09 ◼ ► effect on and I was like no and and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2409">TS</a>]
00:40:12 ◼ ► felt it every time it went by and I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2412">TS</a>]
00:40:15 ◼ ► this is like interacting with a widow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2415">TS</a>]
00:40:17 ◼ ► with a brilliantly produced thing and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2417">TS</a>]
00:40:21 ◼ ► interacting with it not as a like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2421">TS</a>]
00:40:25 ◼ ► passive listener not as somebody that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2425">TS</a>]
00:40:27 ◼ ► like how is this Wow what's going but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2427">TS</a>]
00:40:29 ◼ ► somebody that where I was sitting there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2429">TS</a>]
00:40:31 ◼ ► like I know I know you agonized over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2431">TS</a>]
00:40:35 ◼ ► whether or not to do that and in the end [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2435">TS</a>]
00:40:38 ◼ ► you chose to do it and if I were there I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2438">TS</a>]
00:40:42 ◼ ► would have argued against it and that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2442">TS</a>]
00:40:44 ◼ ► kind of like that kind of relationship [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2444">TS</a>]
00:40:48 ◼ ► to production is like it is like when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2448">TS</a>]
00:40:53 ◼ ► you become a musician and you first hear [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2453">TS</a>]
00:40:54 ◼ ► the bass line in god only knows and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2454">TS</a>]
00:40:58 ◼ ► you're like well now I can't ever hear [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2458">TS</a>]
00:41:00 ◼ ► it without hearing the I can never hear [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2460">TS</a>]
00:41:02 ◼ ► it without hearing that whatever that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2462">TS</a>]
00:41:05 ◼ ► triangle because I'm because having [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2465">TS</a>]
00:41:08 ◼ ► become conscious of it you can't ever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2468">TS</a>]
00:41:11 ◼ ► put it back in the box I want to be a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2471">TS</a>]
00:41:16 ◼ ► producer because I because it's an art [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2476">TS</a>]
00:41:21 ◼ ► that I really identify with like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2481">TS</a>]
00:41:25 ◼ ► really I want I don't want to be a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2485">TS</a>]
00:41:28 ◼ ► producer that is like no I don't I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2488">TS</a>]
00:41:31 ◼ ► didn't hear that sound so I just erased [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2491">TS</a>]
00:41:33 ◼ ► it I want to be a producer that's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2493">TS</a>]
00:41:36 ◼ ► you know like what do you want and let's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2496">TS</a>]
00:41:39 ◼ ► find it but then but then advocating for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2499">TS</a>]
00:41:44 ◼ ► that kind of thing like what if on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2504">TS</a>]
00:41:47 ◼ ► what if we didn't go back right but so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2507">TS</a>]
00:41:50 ◼ ► way beyond an engineer but not at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2510">TS</a>]
00:41:53 ◼ ► point where you're just like a name that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2513">TS</a>]
00:41:54 ◼ ► gets slapped on it but you're somebody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2514">TS</a>]
00:41:55 ◼ ► who could say like here's here's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2515">TS</a>]
00:41:56 ◼ ► palette of things that might complement [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2516">TS</a>]
00:41:58 ◼ ► what you've told me you're trying to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2518">TS</a>]
00:42:00 ◼ ► like I don't want to be an engineer at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2520">TS</a>]
00:42:02 ◼ ► all that that aspect of it I know enough [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2522">TS</a>]
00:42:05 ◼ ► about to to say like here's what I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2525">TS</a>]
00:42:09 ◼ ► I want a side chain this so that it only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2529">TS</a>]
00:42:13 ◼ ► triggers the reverb when it goes above [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2533">TS</a>]
00:42:15 ◼ ► this and the engineer knows what I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2535">TS</a>]
00:42:18 ◼ ► talking about or I mean you know I I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2538">TS</a>]
00:42:20 ◼ ► want to be able to know the technology [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2540">TS</a>]
00:42:21 ◼ ► enough to be able to say here's what I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2541">TS</a>]
00:42:23 ◼ ► wanted here's what I mean well almost as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2543">TS</a>]
00:42:25 ◼ ► a director is - a DP or cinematographer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2545">TS</a>]
00:42:28 ◼ ► like you say like you go do your thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2548">TS</a>]
00:42:29 ◼ ► to go make it make look like this it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2549">TS</a>]
00:42:31 ◼ ► the same you know how to do it then you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2551">TS</a>]
00:42:33 ◼ ► can describe it in the terms that right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2553">TS</a>]
00:42:35 ◼ ► I mean that's yeah but yeah you get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2555">TS</a>]
00:42:36 ◼ ► people for that right and but not at all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2556">TS</a>]
00:42:40 ◼ ► like the slap your name on a thing like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2560">TS</a>]
00:42:42 ◼ ► I want to be in the trenches with with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2562">TS</a>]
00:42:45 ◼ ► artists making music because the because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2565">TS</a>]
00:42:48 ◼ ► it's really hard to do for yourself it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2568">TS</a>]
00:42:51 ◼ ► really hard to be the writer/director [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2571">TS</a>]
00:42:55 ◼ ► star and you know and like producer of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2575">TS</a>]
00:42:59 ◼ ► your own film even if you're the writer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2579">TS</a>]
00:43:03 ◼ ► director star there's a producer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2583">TS</a>]
00:43:05 ◼ ► generally and and but breaking into that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2585">TS</a>]
00:43:12 ◼ ► because there have been quite a few [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2592">TS</a>]
00:43:15 ◼ ► artists who have considered me as the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2595">TS</a>]
00:43:18 ◼ ► producer I don't mean that they that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2598">TS</a>]
00:43:21 ◼ ► they call me their producer well but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2601">TS</a>]
00:43:23 ◼ ► like yeah hey we're in the running for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2603">TS</a>]
00:43:25 ◼ ► the role right I was in the running to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2605">TS</a>]
00:43:28 ◼ ► make the record and in and I've only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2608">TS</a>]
00:43:30 ◼ ► ever recorded I've only ever produced [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2610">TS</a>]
00:43:32 ◼ ► three albums that weren't connected to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2612">TS</a>]
00:43:35 ◼ ► me one of them was the most popular one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2615">TS</a>]
00:43:38 ◼ ► was Shelby Earls debut record and I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2618">TS</a>]
00:43:42 ◼ ► super proud of Shelby Earl's debut [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2622">TS</a>]
00:43:48 ◼ ► and I produced a record for a guy named [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2628">TS</a>]
00:43:50 ◼ ► Eric Hauck who is currently the guitar [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2630">TS</a>]
00:43:53 ◼ ► player in Portugal the man and he's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2633">TS</a>]
00:43:56 ◼ ► very mercurial guy and he never released [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2636">TS</a>]
00:43:58 ◼ ► it oh man it's a brilliant record and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2638">TS</a>]
00:44:02 ◼ ► but by which I mean he is a great player [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2642">TS</a>]
00:44:04 ◼ ► and his songs are great but he had he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2644">TS</a>]
00:44:08 ◼ ► had some he had whatever insecurities [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2648">TS</a>]
00:44:11 ◼ ► about it and then he kind of feels like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2651">TS</a>]
00:44:15 ◼ ► oh well we made that 10 years ago and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2655">TS</a>]
00:44:18 ◼ ► it's not really relevant anymore it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2658">TS</a>]
00:44:21 ◼ ► like it's a great record it's always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2661">TS</a>]
00:44:23 ◼ ► relevant and then I produced a record [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2663">TS</a>]
00:44:26 ◼ ► for my niece Elizabeth Roderick that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2666">TS</a>]
00:44:29 ◼ ► also super proud of I think it's clay [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2669">TS</a>]
00:44:32 ◼ ► imagine it's probably hard to find but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2672">TS</a>]
00:44:36 ◼ ► you know I was in the running to produce [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2676">TS</a>]
00:44:38 ◼ ► Kathleen Edwards's record and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2678">TS</a>]
00:44:41 ◼ ► Kathleen Edwards started dating boney [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2681">TS</a>]
00:44:44 ◼ ► their son and the record label was like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2684">TS</a>]
00:44:47 ◼ ► well we could pay to have this record [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2687">TS</a>]
00:44:49 ◼ ► made by John Roderick or we could have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2689">TS</a>]
00:44:53 ◼ ► it made by boney there who is at the at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2693">TS</a>]
00:44:56 ◼ ► who was at that moment like number one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2696">TS</a>]
00:44:59 ◼ ► on the charts with a bullet and so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2699">TS</a>]
00:45:02 ◼ ► missed out on on producing that crack [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2702">TS</a>]
00:45:04 ◼ ► record and I had a lot of angry things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2704">TS</a>]
00:45:08 ◼ ► to yell at the speaker's listening to it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2708">TS</a>]
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00:52:57 ◼ ► are they know the edges of their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3177">TS</a>]
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00:53:04 ◼ ► really understand like so I mean like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3184">TS</a>]
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00:53:11 ◼ ► into parental character like us like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3191">TS</a>]
00:53:13 ◼ ► super dad or a super mom somebody who's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3193">TS</a>]
00:53:17 ◼ ► themselves from from the process from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3197">TS</a>]
00:53:19 ◼ ► the people from the product from you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3199">TS</a>]
00:53:21 ◼ ► know and and and then just the million [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3201">TS</a>]
00:53:23 ◼ ► skills you need inside of that or would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3203">TS</a>]
00:53:25 ◼ ► benefit from inside of that hobbies' lee [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3205">TS</a>]
00:53:26 ◼ ► having a great year knowing what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3206">TS</a>]
00:53:28 ◼ ► something wants to be rather than what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3208">TS</a>]
00:53:29 ◼ ► it is right now being able to help [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3209">TS</a>]
00:53:31 ◼ ► people articulate something they don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3211">TS</a>]
00:53:33 ◼ ► know they're even thinking right now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3213">TS</a>]
00:53:34 ◼ ► being able to as I say bring in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3214">TS</a>]
00:53:36 ◼ ► palette that isn't just a bunch of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3216">TS</a>]
00:53:38 ◼ ► gimmicks and gizmos but to be able to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3218">TS</a>]
00:53:40 ◼ ► say like well you know this is one thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3220">TS</a>]
00:53:42 ◼ ► we could try to do this the ability to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3222">TS</a>]
00:53:45 ◼ ► as you say keep things moving right like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3225">TS</a>]
00:53:48 ◼ ► look you like you like you would say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3228">TS</a>]
00:53:50 ◼ ► with guitar solos' back in the day like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3230">TS</a>]
00:53:51 ◼ ► we're not gonna do this for TTS this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3231">TS</a>]
00:53:52 ◼ ► not hound-dog we're not gonna do this 42 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3232">TS</a>]
00:53:54 ◼ ► times so what's the right amount of time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3234">TS</a>]
00:53:55 ◼ ► how do you know when you're pushing it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3235">TS</a>]
00:53:57 ◼ ► too far do you want to do like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3237">TS</a>]
00:53:58 ◼ ► finisher in a Kubrick where you just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3238">TS</a>]
00:53:59 ◼ ► keep doing this until the person wants [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3239">TS</a>]
00:54:00 ◼ ► to kill you or do you say you got three [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3240">TS</a>]
00:54:02 ◼ ► shots give me your best or something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3242">TS</a>]
00:54:04 ◼ ► else because that's you know how that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3244">TS</a>]
00:54:05 ◼ ► works I just feel like it's so difficult [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3245">TS</a>]
00:54:08 ◼ ► for me to even concentrate on one and a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3248">TS</a>]
00:54:09 ◼ ► half things at a time it's amazing to me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3249">TS</a>]
00:54:12 ◼ ► that that person could be somebody who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3252">TS</a>]
00:54:14 ◼ ► could for example feel comfortable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3254">TS</a>]
00:54:16 ◼ ► talking to whoever owns Warner Brothers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3256">TS</a>]
00:54:18 ◼ ► this week like to be able to talk to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3258">TS</a>]
00:54:20 ◼ ► people above you and sort of below you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3260">TS</a>]
00:54:22 ◼ ► and beside you keep everybody confident [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3262">TS</a>]
00:54:25 ◼ ► that this is on track it's a cask ill [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3265">TS</a>]
00:54:27 ◼ ► set that makes my mind swim and I know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3267">TS</a>]
00:54:29 ◼ ► you don't have to have all those things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3269">TS</a>]
00:54:30 ◼ ► you could just be affordable and patient [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3270">TS</a>]
00:54:33 ◼ ► but like to be really good at that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3273">TS</a>]
00:54:35 ◼ ► requires a set of skills that represents [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3275">TS</a>]
00:54:37 ◼ ► almost everything I'm more of a lot in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3277">TS</a>]
00:54:40 ◼ ► yeah it's a it is a set of skills that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3280">TS</a>]
00:54:45 ◼ ► is that is I think a lot of people in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3285">TS</a>]
00:54:49 ◼ ► the music world think it's a set of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3289">TS</a>]
00:54:52 ◼ ► skills that can be learned because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3292">TS</a>]
00:54:54 ◼ ► there's so much effort put into software [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3294">TS</a>]
00:54:58 ◼ ► recording software and recording gear of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3298">TS</a>]
00:55:03 ◼ ► all kinds there are so many boxes there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3303">TS</a>]
00:55:05 ◼ ► are so many instruction manuals and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3305">TS</a>]
00:55:09 ◼ ► era of the home recordists produced [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3309">TS</a>]
00:55:13 ◼ ► thousands and thousands of people who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3313">TS</a>]
00:55:16 ◼ ► could legitimately describe themselves [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3316">TS</a>]
00:55:17 ◼ ► as producers because they have produced [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3317">TS</a>]
00:55:20 ◼ ► albums on their Mac and as they got you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3320">TS</a>]
00:55:27 ◼ ► know they read the the data they they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3327">TS</a>]
00:55:29 ◼ ► tested things out they tried they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3329">TS</a>]
00:55:31 ◼ ► listened to other records they got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3331">TS</a>]
00:55:33 ◼ ► really good drum sounds they got really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3333">TS</a>]
00:55:35 ◼ ► good sounds ultimately they were making [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3335">TS</a>]
00:55:39 ◼ ► they were engineering great records or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3339">TS</a>]
00:55:43 ◼ ► at least not maybe great records but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3343">TS</a>]
00:55:45 ◼ ► they were they were able to engineer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3345">TS</a>]
00:55:47 ◼ ► competently confident yeah even records [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3347">TS</a>]
00:55:50 ◼ ► yeah but the there is like all art a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3350">TS</a>]
00:55:55 ◼ ► thing that cannot be learned that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3355">TS</a>]
00:55:58 ◼ ► feel and is emotion and when you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3358">TS</a>]
00:56:02 ◼ ► talking to musicians about making a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3362">TS</a>]
00:56:03 ◼ ► record or when you're shepherding that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3363">TS</a>]
00:56:06 ◼ ► process you're dealing with this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3366">TS</a>]
00:56:09 ◼ ► incredible world of like these are this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3369">TS</a>]
00:56:14 ◼ ► is in some ways like peak ego moments [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3374">TS</a>]
00:56:18 ◼ ► for people but also the place where they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3378">TS</a>]
00:56:21 ◼ ► are most vulnerable the music is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3381">TS</a>]
00:56:23 ◼ ► generally like coming from somewhere [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3383">TS</a>]
00:56:24 ◼ ► inside them that they are maybe not in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3384">TS</a>]
00:56:28 ◼ ► contact with directly that's why it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3388">TS</a>]
00:56:31 ◼ ► coming out as music they're using [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3391">TS</a>]
00:56:34 ◼ ► they're they're using their voices [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3394">TS</a>]
00:56:35 ◼ ► they're using their bodies you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3395">TS</a>]
00:56:39 ◼ ► dealing with multiple people multiple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3399">TS</a>]
00:56:40 ◼ ► and everybody's whether they know it or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3400">TS</a>]
00:56:42 ◼ ► not maybe doesn't know I was gonna say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3402">TS</a>]
00:56:44 ◼ ► agenda that's not the right way to put [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3404">TS</a>]
00:56:45 ◼ ► it but you know you're expected to rise [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3405">TS</a>]
00:56:49 ◼ ► above you're paid you're compensated to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3409">TS</a>]
00:56:53 ◼ ► you're empowered by somebody to be the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3413">TS</a>]
00:56:55 ◼ ► project manager for this piece of art [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3415">TS</a>]
00:56:56 ◼ ► which is a lot of responsibility at a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3416">TS</a>]
00:56:59 ◼ ► crucial level yes and at a crucial level [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3419">TS</a>]
00:57:02 ◼ ► you need to be right down in the blood [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3422">TS</a>]
00:57:06 ◼ ► and guts of it with people because you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3426">TS</a>]
00:57:10 ◼ ► know there there are million producers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3430">TS</a>]
00:57:12 ◼ ► out there who have learned to do it on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3432">TS</a>]
00:57:15 ◼ ► their Mac and they're sitting in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3435">TS</a>]
00:57:17 ◼ ► room and they're recording you and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3437">TS</a>]
00:57:19 ◼ ► singer go does it take and goes how was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3439">TS</a>]
00:57:21 ◼ ► that and the person on the other side [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3441">TS</a>]
00:57:24 ◼ ► goes it was good how did it sound to you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3444">TS</a>]
00:57:27 ◼ ► and that is not that's about as useful [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3447">TS</a>]
00:57:30 ◼ ► as when I say what do you want for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3450">TS</a>]
00:57:31 ◼ ► dinner and they say whatever you want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3451">TS</a>]
00:57:32 ◼ ► that's like well you know I'm asking you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3452">TS</a>]
00:57:33 ◼ ► because I don't want to have to decide [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3453">TS</a>]
00:57:34 ◼ ► this on my own but you ought to be a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3454">TS</a>]
00:57:36 ◼ ► great editor right you also so it's one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3456">TS</a>]
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00:57:40 ◼ ► diminish what I'm calling engineering [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3460">TS</a>]
00:57:41 ◼ ► the the the skills and the mechanics of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3461">TS</a>]
00:57:44 ◼ ► spending years learning how to make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3464">TS</a>]
00:57:47 ◼ ► sounds in a studio is amazing and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3467">TS</a>]
00:57:50 ◼ ► certainly you know that through the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3470">TS</a>]
00:57:52 ◼ ► compressors through the board all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3472">TS</a>]
00:57:53 ◼ ► through the entire stack that is an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3473">TS</a>]
00:57:55 ◼ ► entire skill set but then to have mostly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3475">TS</a>]
00:57:57 ◼ ► mastered that plus be able to say let's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3477">TS</a>]
00:58:00 ◼ ► leave out that second chorus or let's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3480">TS</a>]
00:58:02 ◼ ► have the bass do this here or could we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3482">TS</a>]
00:58:04 ◼ ► try it this way or why don't you go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3484">TS</a>]
00:58:05 ◼ ► record this in the bathroom or like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3485">TS</a>]
00:58:07 ◼ ► we're really just being able to say that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3487">TS</a>]
00:58:08 ◼ ► song is not up to snuff or let's try [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3488">TS</a>]
00:58:10 ◼ ► that vocal one more time that's a very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3490">TS</a>]
00:58:13 ◼ ► different skill from being able to make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3493">TS</a>]
00:58:14 ◼ ► something that that doesn't overdrive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3494">TS</a>]
00:58:16 ◼ ► the speakers what I mean to be able to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3496">TS</a>]
00:58:19 ◼ ► go from competent to like you're getting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3499">TS</a>]
00:58:21 ◼ ► into this very hazy cloudy world of like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3501">TS</a>]
00:58:24 ◼ ► it's very much value judgments well let [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3504">TS</a>]
00:58:27 ◼ ► alone let alone being able to go into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3507">TS</a>]
00:58:32 ◼ ► the room sit down with a singer and go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3512">TS</a>]
00:58:35 ◼ ► you know you're singing this from from a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3515">TS</a>]
00:58:40 ◼ ► place that isn't like reading as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3520">TS</a>]
00:58:42 ◼ ► completely believable because it feels [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3522">TS</a>]
00:58:45 ◼ ► like you're singing it from from a space [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3525">TS</a>]
00:58:50 ◼ ► where you're examining the you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3530">TS</a>]
00:58:55 ◼ ► and what the song and the song is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3535">TS</a>]
00:58:58 ◼ ► written in the language as though the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3538">TS</a>]
00:59:00 ◼ ► protagonist truly believed his situation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3540">TS</a>]
00:59:04 ◼ ► and not that he was being examined by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3544">TS</a>]
00:59:06 ◼ ► someone smarter than him so huh you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3546">TS</a>]
00:59:09 ◼ ► the singer you've written this song it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3549">TS</a>]
00:59:11 ◼ ► is in this person's voice and now you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3551">TS</a>]
00:59:13 ◼ ► afraid to be that person in the studio [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3553">TS</a>]
00:59:15 ◼ ► and you're thinking you're smarter than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3555">TS</a>]
00:59:17 ◼ ► that person and now you're here singing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3557">TS</a>]
00:59:19 ◼ ► it with your tongue in your cheek and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3559">TS</a>]
00:59:21 ◼ ► it's not reading and to be able to save [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3561">TS</a>]
00:59:24 ◼ ► that kind of thing to a singer in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3564">TS</a>]
00:59:27 ◼ ► language because different singers will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3567">TS</a>]
00:59:28 ◼ ► be able to hear that differently and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3568">TS</a>]
00:59:32 ◼ ► need to know the language of the person [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3572">TS</a>]
00:59:34 ◼ ► you're talking to to be able to say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3574">TS</a>]
00:59:36 ◼ ► something like that to them where they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3576">TS</a>]
00:59:39 ◼ ► go right and then to be able to say one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3579">TS</a>]
00:59:44 ◼ ► way that you can accomplish that is to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3584">TS</a>]
00:59:45 ◼ ► stop having your voice coming from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3585">TS</a>]
00:59:47 ◼ ► behind your eyeballs and start trying to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3587">TS</a>]
00:59:50 ◼ ► make your voice come from between your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3590">TS</a>]
00:59:52 ◼ ► nipples mm-hmm and then walk away you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3592">TS</a>]
00:59:55 ◼ ► know and and be able to connect the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3595">TS</a>]
01:00:00 ◼ ► perience of like you're not singing this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3600">TS</a>]
01:00:02 ◼ ► truthfully and then be able to give them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3602">TS</a>]
01:00:05 ◼ ► a physiological cue that sounds crazy to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3605">TS</a>]
01:00:07 ◼ ► someone that isn't a singer be like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3607">TS</a>]
01:00:09 ◼ ► you're putting the music behind your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3609">TS</a>]
01:00:10 ◼ ► eyes and you need to put it from behind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3610">TS</a>]
01:00:12 ◼ ► your ears and you say that to a singer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3612">TS</a>]
01:00:15 ◼ ► you say that to a group of people and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3615">TS</a>]
01:00:17 ◼ ► they're like what I mean that's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3617">TS</a>]
01:00:19 ◼ ► sounds woowoo or it just sounds idiotic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3619">TS</a>]
01:00:21 ◼ ► but if you say it to a singer and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3621">TS</a>]
01:00:25 ◼ ► in front of the microphone and they are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3625">TS</a>]
01:00:27 ◼ ► like oh shit I was putting it behind my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3627">TS</a>]
01:00:29 ◼ ► eyes and then they put it behind their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3629">TS</a>]
01:00:30 ◼ ► ears which wasn't a thing that they'd [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3630">TS</a>]
01:00:32 ◼ ► ever thought of before and it works you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3632">TS</a>]
01:00:34 ◼ ► know that stuff so it's not like so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3634">TS</a>]
01:00:37 ◼ ► comparing that job to an engineer is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3637">TS</a>]
01:00:40 ◼ ► like saying well this guy works on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3640">TS</a>]
01:00:43 ◼ ► this guy is like a genius at making this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3643">TS</a>]
01:00:46 ◼ ► racecar motor run really great so that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3646">TS</a>]
01:00:50 ◼ ► means that he will probably also be a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3650">TS</a>]
01:00:52 ◼ ► great team owner who's like and also a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3652">TS</a>]
01:00:57 ◼ ► great driving instructor and recruiter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3657">TS</a>]
01:00:59 ◼ ► of drivers who he has to persuade to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3659">TS</a>]
01:01:02 ◼ ► on his team yeah they're just it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3662">TS</a>]
01:01:04 ◼ ► it's utterly different but the problem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3664">TS</a>]
01:01:06 ◼ ► is that that guys who have taught [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3666">TS</a>]
01:01:08 ◼ ► themselves engineering on their max feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3668">TS</a>]
01:01:11 ◼ ► insulted by this the suggestion that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3671">TS</a>]
01:01:16 ◼ ► that what they're doing isn't production [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3676">TS</a>]
01:01:19 ◼ ► because it is and within you know within [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3679">TS</a>]
01:01:22 ◼ ► the hip-hop world if you just make beats [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3682">TS</a>]
01:01:25 ◼ ► you're called a producer like that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3685">TS</a>]
01:01:28 ◼ ► actually the name of that job like it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3688">TS</a>]
01:01:32 ◼ ► like oh I'm the producer and basically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3692">TS</a>]
01:01:34 ◼ ► it's because the track is just somebody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3694">TS</a>]
01:01:37 ◼ ► rhyming over what you built your the 808 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3697">TS</a>]
01:01:40 ◼ ► estab a you know and you're probably not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3700">TS</a>]
01:01:46 ◼ ► in that job sitting there working with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3706">TS</a>]
01:01:50 ◼ ► the vocalist like about whether he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3710">TS</a>]
01:01:53 ◼ ► singing it from behind his eyes or not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3713">TS</a>]
01:01:55 ◼ ► and there are you know like I'm sure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3715">TS</a>]
01:01:58 ◼ ► that if you're working with Rick Rubin [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3718">TS</a>]
01:02:00 ◼ ► or you're working with dr. Dre they are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3720">TS</a>]
01:02:01 ◼ ► involved at that level but there's a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3721">TS</a>]
01:02:04 ◼ ► of music that you can just tell it's one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3724">TS</a>]
01:02:06 ◼ ► of the things when you listen to stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3726">TS</a>]
01:02:08 ◼ ► on the radio as a as a casual listener [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3728">TS</a>]
01:02:11 ◼ ► you're not often conscious of the fact [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3731">TS</a>]
01:02:13 ◼ ► the problem you're having with a song [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3733">TS</a>]
01:02:16 ◼ ► the reason you don't like it is that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3736">TS</a>]
01:02:18 ◼ ► singer isn't isn't believable it within [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3738">TS</a>]
01:02:22 ◼ ► the music that they themselves wrote and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3742">TS</a>]
01:02:26 ◼ ► it's because they got divorced from they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3746">TS</a>]
01:02:30 ◼ ► got divorced from what they wrote [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3750">TS</a>]
01:02:31 ◼ ► at some point which isn't hard to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3751">TS</a>]
01:02:35 ◼ ► it's easy to get divorced it's why I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3755">TS</a>]
01:02:38 ◼ ► can't listen to modern country because I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3758">TS</a>]
01:02:41 ◼ ► don't believe it I don't believe any of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3761">TS</a>]
01:02:43 ◼ ► it because of because the that vocal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3763">TS</a>]
01:02:46 ◼ ► style is so affected I recognize it as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3766">TS</a>]
01:02:50 ◼ ► country I'm not trying to be one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3770">TS</a>]
01:02:52 ◼ ► those like Hank Williams guys but like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3772">TS</a>]
01:02:54 ◼ ► when I hear things that are called [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3774">TS</a>]
01:02:55 ◼ ► country music I'm like wow this I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3775">TS</a>]
01:02:57 ◼ ► realize things evolved but this sounds [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3777">TS</a>]
01:02:59 ◼ ► so much more like hip-hop than country [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3779">TS</a>]
01:03:02 ◼ ► well just in the sense that it's so it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3782">TS</a>]
01:03:04 ◼ ► is so affect not affected in the way you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3784">TS</a>]
01:03:07 ◼ ► would think but it's just every single [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3787">TS</a>]
01:03:10 ◼ ► little edge has been shaved off of it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3790">TS</a>]
01:03:12 ◼ ► and it's auto-tune and super shiny and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3792">TS</a>]
01:03:14 ◼ ► it sounds like one of those Swedish [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3794">TS</a>]
01:03:16 ◼ ► producers like made a country album but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3796">TS</a>]
01:03:18 ◼ ► not really like people kept talking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3798">TS</a>]
01:03:20 ◼ ► about what this is this is the album [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3800">TS</a>]
01:03:21 ◼ ► where Taylor Swift is finally all off of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3801">TS</a>]
01:03:23 ◼ ► country and and can totally pop and I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3803">TS</a>]
01:03:25 ◼ ► like I don't know man she's been pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3805">TS</a>]
01:03:27 ◼ ► pop for a while yeah right well and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3807">TS</a>]
01:03:30 ◼ ► think the difference is that there's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3810">TS</a>]
01:03:32 ◼ ► that like that weird drawl a weird draw [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3812">TS</a>]
01:03:36 ◼ ► that's that feels like San Francisco [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3816">TS</a>]
01:03:38 ◼ ► punk bands that sing in English music [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3818">TS</a>]
01:03:41 ◼ ► not just in the affectation of the voice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3821">TS</a>]
01:03:42 ◼ ► yeah yeah right which is just like oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3822">TS</a>]
01:03:45 ◼ ► yeah but Dolph's naked herb lamp lamp [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3825">TS</a>]
01:03:48 ◼ ► lamp and it's like no it's all so corny [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3828">TS</a>]
01:03:53 ◼ ► just adding a pedal steel at the last [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3833">TS</a>]
01:03:55 ◼ ► minute does not make this a country song [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3835">TS</a>]
01:03:56 ◼ ► I heard that on the radio the other day [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3836">TS</a>]
01:03:58 ◼ ► or no I guess I was in a store and some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3838">TS</a>]
01:04:00 ◼ ► song came on and from the way that this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3840">TS</a>]
01:04:03 ◼ ► drum sounded I was like how long till [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3843">TS</a>]
01:04:07 ◼ ► the pedal steel I was just counting it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3847">TS</a>]
01:04:08 ◼ ► down and then there it was like fine and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3848">TS</a>]
01:04:12 ◼ ► I'm like you know the pedal steel is an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3852">TS</a>]
01:04:14 ◼ ► incredible instrument I mean it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3854">TS</a>]
01:04:16 ◼ ► incredible it's got so much to say and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3856">TS</a>]
01:04:18 ◼ ► so many different emotions it's awesome [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3858">TS</a>]
01:04:23 ◼ ► distortion box if you run it into a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3863">TS</a>]
01:04:26 ◼ ► delay pedal it can do it's like us it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3866">TS</a>]
01:04:30 ◼ ► like a synthesizer I mean it can make so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3870">TS</a>]
01:04:32 ◼ ► many tones and it's so that it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3872">TS</a>]
01:04:34 ◼ ► it's like the country music saltshaker [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3874">TS</a>]
01:04:35 ◼ ► just it's so criminally underused it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3875">TS</a>]
01:04:38 ◼ ► just like wow like oh it's here it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3878">TS</a>]
01:04:41 ◼ ► this is a high lonesome song one more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3881">TS</a>]
01:04:44 ◼ ► high lonesome I mean thinking the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3884">TS</a>]
01:04:47 ◼ ► think about them the way just a lap [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3887">TS</a>]
01:04:50 ◼ ► steel is used it within Hawaiian music [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3890">TS</a>]
01:04:52 ◼ ► mm-hmm it creates all that spooky whims [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3892">TS</a>]
01:04:55 ◼ ► the sound of Hawaiian music and it's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3895">TS</a>]
01:04:58 ◼ ► same it's the same instrument that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3898">TS</a>]
01:05:00 ◼ ► being used over here you know wow it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3900">TS</a>]
01:05:05 ◼ ► like oh fuck somebody should steal like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3905">TS</a>]
01:05:07 ◼ ► the great pedal steel player should all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3907">TS</a>]
01:05:10 ◼ ► march out of Nashville and just go start [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3910">TS</a>]
01:05:13 ◼ ► you know they should just start working [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3913">TS</a>]
01:05:21 ◼ ► something else yeah both both sides [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3921">TS</a>]
01:05:24 ◼ ► everybody do something else we're gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3924">TS</a>]
01:05:25 ◼ ► we're gonna flip it here we're gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3925">TS</a>]
01:05:26 ◼ ► flip the switch mix it up a little bit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3926">TS</a>]
01:05:28 ◼ ► yeah all the all the beat producers go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3928">TS</a>]
01:05:31 ◼ ► over to Nashville and all the pedal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3931">TS</a>]
01:05:32 ◼ ► steel players head out to LA into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3932">TS</a>]
01:05:35 ◼ ► so usually when you mention something on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3935">TS</a>]
01:05:40 ◼ ► the show it's something you've been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3940">TS</a>]
01:05:41 ◼ ► thinking about for a while I guess [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3941">TS</a>]
01:05:42 ◼ ► sometimes it could be something that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3942">TS</a>]
01:05:43 ◼ ► just coming out because you it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3943">TS</a>]
01:05:44 ◼ ► occurring to you is there something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3944">TS</a>]
01:05:45 ◼ ► you've been thinking about for a while [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3945">TS</a>]
01:05:48 ◼ ► did you just recently realize you've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3948">TS</a>]
01:05:51 ◼ ► been thinking about this for a while I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3951">TS</a>]
01:05:53 ◼ ► don't think that I I mean I've been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3953">TS</a>]
01:05:58 ◼ ► thinking about this ever since ever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3958">TS</a>]
01:06:02 ◼ ► since the the the forth long winters [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3962">TS</a>]
01:06:05 ◼ ► record went off that went off the trail [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3965">TS</a>]
01:06:08 ◼ ► because in the making of the fourth long [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3968">TS</a>]
01:06:12 ◼ ► winters record I was I had evolved to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3972">TS</a>]
01:06:15 ◼ ► the point where I I felt like I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3975">TS</a>]
01:06:18 ◼ ► doing pretty great production work and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3978">TS</a>]
01:06:21 ◼ ► that production work was such a separate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3981">TS</a>]
01:06:27 ◼ ► job from my actual job of being the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3987">TS</a>]
01:06:31 ◼ ► songwriter and the singer and it was in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3991">TS</a>]
01:06:34 ◼ ► some ways more interesting to me and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3994">TS</a>]
01:06:40 ◼ ► I I produced well effectively an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4000">TS</a>]
01:06:44 ◼ ► instrumental record I never went in and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4004">TS</a>]
01:06:48 ◼ ► did my vocals and partly it was that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4008">TS</a>]
01:06:51 ◼ ► had that the the job of the vocals I had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4011">TS</a>]
01:06:54 ◼ ► fulfilled with melodic instruments but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4014">TS</a>]
01:07:00 ◼ ► the record sounded great you know and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4020">TS</a>]
01:07:05 ◼ ► and I couldn't wait to mix it and it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4025">TS</a>]
01:07:09 ◼ ► just this like this frustrating thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4029">TS</a>]
01:07:15 ◼ ► that I needed to figure out god I gotta [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4035">TS</a>]
01:07:17 ◼ ► put vocals on this thing and in the end [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4037">TS</a>]
01:07:19 ◼ ► I never did I never put vocals on it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4039">TS</a>]
01:07:22 ◼ ► that record just sits there unfinished [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4042">TS</a>]
01:07:26 ◼ ► and the experience of of working on that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4046">TS</a>]
01:07:35 ◼ ► conjunction with Erik Corson who has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4055">TS</a>]
01:07:38 ◼ ► become now a great producer in his own [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4058">TS</a>]
01:07:42 ◼ ► right and was a great engineer even then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4062">TS</a>]
01:07:49 ◼ ► it felt like oh you know this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4069">TS</a>]
01:07:52 ◼ ► something I could do this is like a this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4072">TS</a>]
01:07:55 ◼ ► is another thing I could do now right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4075">TS</a>]
01:07:58 ◼ ► now the idea that in addition to having [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4078">TS</a>]
01:08:02 ◼ ► three unfinished records for podcasts a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4082">TS</a>]
01:08:06 ◼ ► book deal that I haven't pursued that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4086">TS</a>]
01:08:11 ◼ ► what I also need to do is throw my hat [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4091">TS</a>]
01:08:14 ◼ ► in the ring as a record producer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4094">TS</a>]
01:08:16 ◼ ► it's just feels like what I need to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4096">TS</a>]
01:08:19 ◼ ► is is figure out a method of finishing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4099">TS</a>]
01:08:23 ◼ ► things rather than chase down an mother [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4103">TS</a>]
01:08:27 ◼ ► for you that's that's a that's a hell of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4107">TS</a>]
01:08:30 ◼ ► an insight well I mean it is it's very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4110">TS</a>]
01:08:37 ◼ ► much of an insight I mean that's that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4117">TS</a>]
01:08:40 ◼ ► very that's very practical you know I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4120">TS</a>]
01:08:44 ◼ ► had this list that's ten years old or 15 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4124">TS</a>]
01:08:46 ◼ ► years old of all the things that I I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4126">TS</a>]
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01:08:51 ◼ ► record for ten years I've been trying to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4131">TS</a>]
01:08:53 ◼ ► 20 years mmm and there was graduate from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4133">TS</a>]
01:08:57 ◼ ► college was also on that list for 20 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4137">TS</a>]
01:09:01 ◼ ► years yeah I graduate from college I got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4141">TS</a>]
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01:09:05 ◼ ► album and every morning I would wake up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4145">TS</a>]
01:09:07 ◼ ► and there was no I never had a small [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4147">TS</a>]
01:09:12 ◼ ► list like get your pants on get some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4152">TS</a>]
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01:09:19 ◼ ► know at the end of every day I never had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4159">TS</a>]
01:09:21 ◼ ► a list that I could that I could look at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4161">TS</a>]
01:09:24 ◼ ► and say I checked everything off that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4164">TS</a>]
01:09:25 ◼ ► list good job at the end of every day [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4165">TS</a>]
01:09:28 ◼ ► the only list I had was graduate from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4168">TS</a>]
01:09:32 ◼ ► college finished that book finished that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4172">TS</a>]
01:09:35 ◼ ► album and so at the end of every day all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4175">TS</a>]
01:09:39 ◼ ► I ever looked at was a list that seemed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4179">TS</a>]
01:09:41 ◼ ► real simple right it only had three [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4181">TS</a>]
01:09:43 ◼ ► items on it and they were all items that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4183">TS</a>]
01:09:47 ◼ ► you know it it wasn't like start writing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4187">TS</a>]
01:09:50 ◼ ► that book it was you up 450 pages [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4190">TS</a>]
01:09:53 ◼ ► written just to finish it huh as a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4193">TS</a>]
01:09:55 ◼ ► retired productivity group guru I'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4195">TS</a>]
01:09:57 ◼ ► tell you those are not easy items no I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4197">TS</a>]
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01:10:02 ◼ ► that 3 item list and it was a drag to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4202">TS</a>]
01:10:08 ◼ ► never be able to check a single thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4208">TS</a>]
01:10:11 ◼ ► off of a list and I didn't I didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4211">TS</a>]
01:10:13 ◼ ► understand the thought technology of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4213">TS</a>]
01:10:15 ◼ ► like make a stupid list of things and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4215">TS</a>]
01:10:17 ◼ ► check them off and you'll feel good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4217">TS</a>]
01:10:18 ◼ ► about yourself at the end of the day and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4218">TS</a>]
01:10:21 ◼ ► also I've never been able to complete a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4221">TS</a>]
01:10:25 ◼ ► project by making small manageable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4225">TS</a>]
01:10:27 ◼ ► choices like all you need to do today is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4227">TS</a>]
01:10:31 ◼ ► go in and cross all the T's and dot all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4231">TS</a>]
01:10:33 ◼ ► the icer all you need to do today is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4233">TS</a>]
01:10:35 ◼ ► write 500 words or you know I've never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4235">TS</a>]
01:10:37 ◼ ► been good at that well so last year 2016 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4237">TS</a>]
01:10:43 ◼ ► I think 2000 at December of 2015 I got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4243">TS</a>]
01:10:47 ◼ ► that letter in the mail an envelope from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4247">TS</a>]
01:10:50 ◼ ► the University of Washington that shaped [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4250">TS</a>]
01:10:52 ◼ ► like a diploma have I told you this no I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4252">TS</a>]
01:11:00 ◼ ► got an I got a diploma shaped manila [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4260">TS</a>]
01:11:08 ◼ ► and I looked at it I was like there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4268">TS</a>]
01:11:11 ◼ ► not that many things this could be and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4271">TS</a>]
01:11:15 ◼ ► think it is my diploma I think I have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4275">TS</a>]
01:11:20 ◼ ► graduated from the University did it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4280">TS</a>]
01:11:23 ◼ ► take you this long to open it my god I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4283">TS</a>]
01:11:25 ◼ ► would have torn that open well I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4285">TS</a>]
01:11:27 ◼ ► never opened oh I put it on the I put it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4287">TS</a>]
01:11:32 ◼ ► on the bookshelf and it's still there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4292">TS</a>]
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01:11:44 ◼ ► Schrodinger's diploma it is that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4304">TS</a>]
01:11:46 ◼ ► exactly right inside that envelope I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4306">TS</a>]
01:11:49 ◼ ► think is a diploma I think if I went [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4309">TS</a>]
01:11:53 ◼ ► online I could probably find out whether [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4313">TS</a>]
01:11:55 ◼ ► or not I had graduated but I don't I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4315">TS</a>]
01:11:57 ◼ ► not interested in doing that either and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4317">TS</a>]
01:11:59 ◼ ► as far as I know until I open that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4319">TS</a>]
01:12:02 ◼ ► envelope it's not official I don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4322">TS</a>]
01:12:08 ◼ ► seems reasonable uh-huh I've never seen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4328">TS</a>]
01:12:11 ◼ ► a diploma I don't even know what it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4331">TS</a>]
01:12:15 ◼ ► would say what I don't even know what it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4335">TS</a>]
01:12:17 ◼ ► like what do they look like even yeah is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4337">TS</a>]
01:12:20 ◼ ► it gonna say like graduated with honors [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4340">TS</a>]
01:12:22 ◼ ► is it gonna say like barely eked by is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4342">TS</a>]
01:12:24 ◼ ► it gonna say spent twenty four years in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4344">TS</a>]
01:12:26 ◼ ► college white ribbon the white ribbon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4346">TS</a>]
01:12:32 ◼ ► well I'll speak for the audience why do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4352">TS</a>]
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01:12:42 ◼ ► because you want it you want it to stay [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4362">TS</a>]
01:12:44 ◼ ► a cat that could be alive or dead uh I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4364">TS</a>]
01:12:48 ◼ ► don't know I mean it might be that it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4368">TS</a>]
01:12:54 ◼ ► might be that if I open it then I will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4374">TS</a>]
01:12:58 ◼ ► check one of those three things off the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4378">TS</a>]
01:13:02 ◼ ► list I'll scratch one of those three [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4382">TS</a>]
01:13:03 ◼ ► things off the list and it will it will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4383">TS</a>]
01:13:07 ◼ ► both make the other two things seem even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4387">TS</a>]
01:13:09 ◼ ► like even starker now there's only two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4389">TS</a>]
01:13:14 ◼ ► things on the list but also you know to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4394">TS</a>]
01:13:18 ◼ ► carry around because it's not like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4398">TS</a>]
01:13:22 ◼ ► it's not like I waited 15 years to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4402">TS</a>]
01:13:27 ◼ ► I've waited 30 years to graduate from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4407">TS</a>]
01:13:30 ◼ ► college like I went into Gonzaga [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4410">TS</a>]
01:13:34 ◼ ► University as a freshman in September of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4414">TS</a>]
01:13:38 ◼ ► 1987 and that's 30 years ago but I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4418">TS</a>]
01:13:45 ◼ ► thinking about going to college when I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4425">TS</a>]
01:13:48 ◼ ► yeah in 1977 and so to have graduated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4428">TS</a>]
01:13:59 ◼ ► and to have a diploma that's like there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4439">TS</a>]
01:14:01 ◼ ► it is University of Washington it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4441">TS</a>]
01:14:03 ◼ ► like you're ever going it's not like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4443">TS</a>]
01:14:04 ◼ ► have needed it right I'm 49 years old [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4444">TS</a>]
01:14:07 ◼ ► and I have never needed it and I feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4447">TS</a>]
01:14:11 ◼ ► like opening it and looking at it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4451">TS</a>]
01:14:13 ◼ ► having accomplished it like all those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4453">TS</a>]
01:14:16 ◼ ► times in my life when I when having it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4456">TS</a>]
01:14:18 ◼ ► would have like when my dad was alive if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4458">TS</a>]
01:14:20 ◼ ► I had been able to to show it to him and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4460">TS</a>]
01:14:23 ◼ ► say like I graduated from the University [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4463">TS</a>]
01:14:25 ◼ ► of Washington it would have meant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4465">TS</a>]
01:14:26 ◼ ► something to him it would have meant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4466">TS</a>]
01:14:30 ◼ ► something to my uncles but now I just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4470">TS</a>]
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01:14:39 ◼ ► afraid of it being like yeah yeah there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4479">TS</a>]
01:14:42 ◼ ► it was you always knew you could is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4482">TS</a>]
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01:14:48 ◼ ► opposite of a diploma is there any part [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4488">TS</a>]
01:14:50 ◼ ► of your mind that worries that it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4490">TS</a>]
01:14:51 ◼ ► big piece of paper that says your window [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4491">TS</a>]
01:14:53 ◼ ► is closed or do you something tells you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4493">TS</a>]
01:14:55 ◼ ► that it's a diploma apart from the shape [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4495">TS</a>]
01:14:56 ◼ ► well yeah because because because that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4496">TS</a>]
01:15:00 ◼ ► fall my the director of the comparative [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4500">TS</a>]
01:15:06 ◼ ► history of ideas department John tabes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4506">TS</a>]
01:15:10 ◼ ► who took over in that role after Jim [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4510">TS</a>]
01:15:14 ◼ ► Klaus died although John tapes was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4514">TS</a>]
01:15:17 ◼ ► always gym classes advisor gym class is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4517">TS</a>]
01:15:20 ◼ ► that the guy you were gonna go start a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4520">TS</a>]
01:15:21 ◼ ► civilization with that's right yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4521">TS</a>]
01:15:23 ◼ ► and Jim Klaus died suddenly and John [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4523">TS</a>]
01:15:26 ◼ ► tapes who had been his mentor decided [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4526">TS</a>]
01:15:28 ◼ ► that rather than let the chit Department [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4528">TS</a>]
01:15:30 ◼ ► either dissolve or fall into the hands [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4530">TS</a>]
01:15:35 ◼ ► inexperienced professor John tabes was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4535">TS</a>]
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01:15:40 ◼ ► and guide Wow he's a pro he was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4540">TS</a>]
01:15:42 ◼ ► prominent AG alien John tames and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4542">TS</a>]
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01:15:51 ◼ ► and John was a friend and a mentor to me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4551">TS</a>]
01:15:54 ◼ ► and he called me and said I'm retiring [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4554">TS</a>]
01:16:00 ◼ ► from the University and when I go I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4560">TS</a>]
01:16:04 ◼ ► the last living link to anyone who ever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4564">TS</a>]
01:16:08 ◼ ► taught you or like like actually saw you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4568">TS</a>]
01:16:14 ◼ ► as a living person rather than as a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4574">TS</a>]
01:16:16 ◼ ► ghostly shamira that hovers over the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4576">TS</a>]
01:16:19 ◼ ► chid Department like you know like I'm a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4579">TS</a>]
01:16:23 ◼ ► I'm a Griffin right like just some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4583">TS</a>]
01:16:26 ◼ ► winged lion and he said if I retire all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4586">TS</a>]
01:16:32 ◼ ► these little weird addenda that are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4592">TS</a>]
01:16:34 ◼ ► attached to all the pieces of paper in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4594">TS</a>]
01:16:37 ◼ ► your file all the post-it notes that say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4597">TS</a>]
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01:16:42 ◼ ► actuality it's this because he did that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4602">TS</a>]
01:16:45 ◼ ► and then this see somebody promised him [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4605">TS</a>]
01:16:49 ◼ ► this and and you know and there's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4609">TS</a>]
01:16:53 ◼ ► dog tags in there and there's like so a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4613">TS</a>]
01:16:56 ◼ ► lock of somebody's hair you know like my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4616">TS</a>]
01:16:59 ◼ ► do you feel like he was spinning it as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4619">TS</a>]
01:17:01 ◼ ► like nah this is this is the time thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4621">TS</a>]
01:17:03 ◼ ► you need to do now oh he wasn't spinning [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4623">TS</a>]
01:17:05 ◼ ► it he said it directly like let's give [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4625">TS</a>]
01:17:07 ◼ ► these don't if you don't graduate now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4627">TS</a>]
01:17:10 ◼ ► it's going to be hard later to find [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4630">TS</a>]
01:17:14 ◼ ► anybody who's gonna believe it and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4634">TS</a>]
01:17:18 ◼ ► just need to like you've had enough [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4638">TS</a>]
01:17:19 ◼ ► credits to graduate since 2001 you've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4639">TS</a>]
01:17:22 ◼ ► been putting it off for whatever a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4642">TS</a>]
01:17:24 ◼ ► thousand reasons you know Jim Klaus like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4644">TS</a>]
01:17:28 ◼ ► I went to see him in the hospital and he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4648">TS</a>]
01:17:30 ◼ ► said don't don't not graduate because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4650">TS</a>]
01:17:35 ◼ ► it's not perfect like don't fail to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4655">TS</a>]
01:17:38 ◼ ► graduate because you think that you need [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4658">TS</a>]
01:17:44 ◼ ► just do it just hand in your shit and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4664">TS</a>]
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01:20:33 ◼ ► envelope arriving in the mail Oh got a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4833">TS</a>]
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