Under the Radar 113: Grading the App Store in 2017
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welcome to under the radar a show about
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independent iOS app development I'm
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Marco Arment and I'm David Smith under
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the radar is never longer than 30
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minutes so let's get started so in the
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grand tradition of early January podcast
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episodes we decided it would be nice to
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kind of do a 20-17 in review episode and
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to look over some of the things that
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happen in 2017 that were relevant to iOS
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developers and then kind of our
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perspective so far on how those are
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going or how those have changed things
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so far and kind of where we see things
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going and I wanted to start out you know
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and first of all just a brief opening
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statement here they've been killing it
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ever since Phil took over like there
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have been so there's been section a
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pleasant and dramatically improved rate
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of progress in the App Store ever since
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they at like a year and a half ago
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basically authority of it transferred to
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Phil Schiller and I don't know what
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other changes happened at that time but
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there's there's a pretty clear trend
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that like since that time things have
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gotten significantly better and
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significantly faster that and then the
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progress that used to happen before that
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which was pretty minimal so big thumbs
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up to Phil and whoever else was involved
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with that so one of the big changes that
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has happened this past year too is
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greatly broadening subscription pricing
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for apps it started out in actually in
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2016 in in in June right before the BTC
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when they announced that more apps would
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be allowed to use subscriptions and that
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the for from years - onward of a
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subscription you would get 85% instead
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of 70% of the Commission so while that
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was the year before the effects of that
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I think have been felt more in 2017 and
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especially because starting in June of
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2017 we got our raise we got those first
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round of 85 percent renewals and for me
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that that those started in September I
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think or October because that's it that
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was like the one year anniversary of me
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launching my auto renewing plan for
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overcast but I think subscriptions have
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you know there have been there's been a
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lot of developer wish lists over the
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years that have included thing
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like free trial and you know and paid
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upgrades and things like that that that
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are basically the old ways of monetizing
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software the ways that that that we
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pretty much always had as many companies
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still use on PC and Mac and we don't
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have those yet and I'm not sure we ever
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will have those on iOS but with all the
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changes to subscriptions and some of the
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new features that were added for things
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like free trials of the subscriptions
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and different flexibility and different
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price tiers and everything else I think
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we've come very close to those and it's
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not nearly as easy as it was before but
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you can now simulate free trials in a
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few different ways that that people are
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are seemingly doing with success so that
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that's a pretty big thing and also just
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by expanding subscriptions so much there
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are so many more business models that
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that have become possible that while it
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is still not like trivially easy to make
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money in the App Store in a sustainable
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way we have more options than we've ever
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and I feel like now if you can't find
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something if you can't find some way to
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monetize your app that people actually
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want then I don't think you're looking
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hard enough so you know thumbs up for
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all this all the subscription changes
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and the the rules around subscriptions
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becoming loosened in some ways for
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really giving us way more options for
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how we monetize our apps and having the
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85 percent on the years 2 and above is a
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pretty nice raise also yeah I think 2 is
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also nice to see that but and this is to
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earlier point about that now that it
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seems like the changes that are being
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made into these types of business model
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changes or more policy changes they're
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not in a situation where what they just
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sort of like one and done like they felt
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like oh there's a problem with
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subscriptions let's change something and
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then now it's fine they what's nice to
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see I think now is any things continue
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to get better over time like in the you
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know towards the end of 2017 we got
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introductory pricing as a new option in
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subscriptions it's like now this is new
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on bidding you know there's this new
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mode there's this new tool and
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I like that with something like so you
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know business models with subscriptions
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in this case it's nice to see that
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continue to develop and that it's Reno
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it's reasonable to imagine in that you
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know 2018 we'll continue that process
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that Apple will continue to expand both
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sort of the types of subscriptions that
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are possible and some of the mechanisms
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mechanically with that like I know we
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also I think at Dover DC last year we
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got a bunch of new like web hooks I
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believe for being able to you know do
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validation and understanding around a
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user state in a subscription so all
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these types of things that are you know
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they just make that better and better
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and I love to see like irrespective of
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Eros whether in the individual you know
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sis it the individual details are
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important or useful have panned out
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wonderfully what is most important I
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think is that this is an area that Apple
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is clearly continuing to enhance over
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time and it seems generally speaking to
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be the area that they are putting the
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most effort behind in their in their
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kind of in a lot of their development
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and their allocation of resources and
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attention that they are making
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subscriptions a better and better way to
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monetize your apps and you know if
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that's true and that's sort of where
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they're pushing then it kind of makes
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make sense to sort of think about it
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like I currently don't use any and I
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know you do but it's certainly something
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that I'm aware of because anytime that
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it seems like you know things keep
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changing in a direction it's like hmm
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that's interesting you know maybe I need
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to be thinking thoughts will of a way to
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take advantage of that because clearly
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it's something that is you know
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seemingly just getting better and better
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of a deal and more more flexible of an
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option over time also when subscriptions
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launched we a lot of people had concerns
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about whether App Store customers would
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feel quote subscription fatigue this is
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the idea that like well one or two apps
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can charge prescriptions but then but
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soon all the apps will be charging you X
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dollars a month and people will get
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tired of it and don't want that many
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subscriptions and they will stop paying
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for all of them and I don't think that
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has really happened I haven't seen any
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in just anecdotally I really haven't
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seen any signs of that
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many apps are still not charging
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subscriptions so it isn't like they all
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all of a sudden changed over and I
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haven't really heard from people who
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meaningfully have a lot of feedback from
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people saying that they won't pay their
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subscriptions because they have too many
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subscriptions like that doesn't seem to
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be happening which is good and I think
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it's it is with all these things I feel
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like there's this fundamental question
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of are you providing some service or an
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eval you to your user that exceeds the
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costs that you're asking for that
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service like at its basic level and like
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subscription fatigue I'm sure is a thing
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and it's certainly something that's
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possible but you kind of imagine a
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scenario where if someone is feeling
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that and they have that many apps that
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are providing that much value to them
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they're going to be more apt to continue
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to pay like the situation I think is
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more it's a subscription fatigue is
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perhaps a shortcut for saying you're not
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providing enough value to your user to
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be able to justify subscription pricing
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which i think is entirely reasonable and
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I mean that's in many ways the reason
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why I a lot of my apps don't have
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something like subscriptions where I
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don't feel like I have something
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tangible enough to warrant that kind of
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direct action on an ongoing sustained
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basis but other apps do and you know it
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doesn't seem like that's actually a
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problem in practice that if you provide
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a service that has a tangible value
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going forward that charging a
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subscription for it is a reasonable
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thing and fair enough like not everybody
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is going to take advantage of that and I
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think there is a certain element of
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getting used to the mindset that not all
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of your customers are going to be paying
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customers is something that is certainly
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a very important thing to understand and
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just be comfortable with that there are
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going to be people who use your
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application and you never really
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directly receive any monetary value from
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that but like that's okay because as
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long as you have a reasonable proportion
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of users that do get enough value to be
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motivated to do that you know you'll be
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okay in the end
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so moving on one of the other big
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changes that was announced early this
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year is that developers got the ability
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to respond to App Store reviews and this
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was long-awaited I think the Google Play
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had it like since the beginning or since
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early on and so iOS iOS developers were
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clamoring for this for years so we
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finally got the ability to respond
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publicly to user reviews in the App
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Store how has that been going for you um
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I think it's one of these things that I
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am glad that it's there
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that I think overall like as with all
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the stuff like I love that it's a tool
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that is now available the impact of it I
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think is more measured and some of that
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is dealing with also some changes to the
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App Store that I think we're gonna talk
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about later but the way the new app
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store is set up the reviews like textual
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reviews I think are less emphasized than
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they used to be in the sense that
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there's really you see one review and
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it's kind of hard to even understand
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that there's even more than one review
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so assuming that you're like your main
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review is a positive one the other is
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kind of disappear into the sort of
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disappear into the ether behind it and
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so it's less important in that regard
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because it you know but the reason why I
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think it was initially very useful is
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that if you you know there was a huge
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whole section of your App Store page
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that was about reviews and if someone
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was you know was asking a question or
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talking badly about your app in a way
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that wasn't true or accurate or that you
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could help with even you know the in
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just from a positive customer service
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perspective now it's good to be able to
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respond to that like that was important
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it's I would say it's less important now
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and I view it now it's just another in
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some ways it's just another support
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venue you know that else you know people
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email me and then some people leave
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reviews and it's nice to be able to
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reach out to them and you know it avoids
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that situation where someone was
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complaining about something like oh man
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I wish this app it did this or you know
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it when I do this this is you know it
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doesn't seem to work right and being
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able to reach out to that person and
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correct that but it's much more of a
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customer service thing than it was a
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marketing thing I think initially so
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like I'm glad it's there it's useful but
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I don't think it had a major impact in a
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way that it may have if they hadn't
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redesigned the App Store yeah I I'm in
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complete agreement I mean it like the
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when you it turns out like the in
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practice the reading of the reviews with
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these responses like I loved how Mike
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put it on connected this past week here
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on relay FM they were doing the year
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review if like kind of just all Apple
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tech news and and they mentioned this
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and Mike said it's it's kind of like
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reading somebody's email chain it's like
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yeah like because in practice you used
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to like one person's you know it's
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talking about some problem and then you
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see like a support person saying we're
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sorry you've had this problem please
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contact us and we'll help you resolve it
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like it's it's it's like resolve it's
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like basically reading somebody's
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support email like in public it's kind
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as a reader and and as a developer I
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I tried responding to reviews for a
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little while but found it mostly not
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worth doing and I think you nailed it
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with like one of the biggest reasons is
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the new App Store design change where
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reviews written reviews are so sidelined
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in the new App Store layout that they
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barely matter at all anymore and frankly
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I think that's all for the better
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because you know for four years I think
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it's been apparent that your your star
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average mattered way more than what any
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particular written review said and
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there's so many problems with written
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reviews it's just it's it's it's a
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system that is so deeply broken and
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dysfunctional and always has been so the
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ideal solution would be to get rid of
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star ratings and reviews altogether and
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replace it with like a thumbs-up
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remove the the problem of different star
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levels meaning different things to
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different people like what does it mean
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like what does it mean for for me to
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write four stars versus five stars and
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is that the same thing that you
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distinguish between four stars and five
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stars like it that whole system is
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dysfunctional but the way they've done
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it now I think is a significant
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improvement where it is way less
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emphasized you hardly see any written
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reviews unless you really try to seek
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them out and even then you're likely to
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only read the first one and maybe two if
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if you really get into it but it's so
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cumbersome to actually scan through
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written reviews that they might as well
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not even be there which also means that
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it's not really worth responding to most
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of them it's you know unless unless
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you're the kind of developer who I
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greatly respect you who you know goes
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through and answers every single person
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who has anything to say to you that's
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wonderful I don't have time for that I
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can't do that I'd like if you have staff
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or if you're so motivated that you can
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do that awesome this is one more channel
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for you to do that in but for people who
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don't have the time to respond to every
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it's every single thing this like the
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the written reviews and being able to
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respond to written reviews I think
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should be treated the same way you treat
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support email or tweets which is if you
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can respond to them all cool if not this
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is no different than those and you don't
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need to worry about it and with the new
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app store changes it's less important
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than ever yeah and I think probably that
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the biggest change that they made which
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was a 20-17 change is not resetting
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reviews on updates now right being an
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optional sure making an optional making
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that you in general you can choose to do
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it and you would opt univis obviously
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only do it when it would made sense to
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that in general it's kind of changed the
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I don't know if it's right words it's a
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bit almost like app reviews were this
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weird kind of vague currency before
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we're like you as a developer you're
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trying to build up this number as
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quickly as you can
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for every updates you do so that you can
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appear good in the store and continue to
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you know grow and look like you're a
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good app that's worth downloading but
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this change I think had a I mean I've
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been it's probably if I had to pick my
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favorite change out of everything in
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2017 it's probably that mostly because
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it's changed the way that I can can like
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think about my development cycle and
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doing small updates are now like fine it
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doesn't really matter like I can if I if
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I had the time and ability I could
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update my app you know once a week and
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it would be fine it wouldn't have this
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weird tension that I had before where
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every time I updated the app I knew that
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I had to kind of like rebuild all this
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and so things like responding to reviews
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would have been more important because
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if someone you know had you've given it
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a one-star and I respond to them and
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they changed their one start to a
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five-star that that difference was very
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more measured whereas now if you've you
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know it's like either if you use the new
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ratings prompt system which also came in
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2017 or yep you just gradually build up
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your reviews over time
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once you have a certain number of
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reviews you can just keep them and
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assuming that you don't massively mess
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up and do something to jeopardize it you
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can maintain a good star rating that
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makes you look good in the App Store and
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it's generally positive going forward
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and you have to worry less about your
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App Store reviews in that way and I mean
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that's basically what I did for a lot of
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them firm my main apps is I don't love
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the ratings prompt system it's certainly
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it's very effective but I is we've
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talked about many times I don't love
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interrupting customers and so on but
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what I kind of love about is that plus
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non resetting reviews is I just set up
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my app so that I you know I was tried to
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be very respectful but when I would do
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it that it was only at the end it's like
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you've clearly been in the app for a
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while and you're returning from
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finishing an operation rather than
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starting an operation and I sort of set
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the app up such that it only prompts
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until I had a certain number of who
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views and then since then it's just
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turned off and I haven't done it so it's
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like there was a two-week period or one
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week period maybe even where like I was
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asking people for reviews on a
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semi-regular basis and that built up
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enough reviews that now the app looks
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great in the store and I can just turn
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that off and in some ways like as long
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as I keep you know keep shipping quality
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updates and I'm not going to end up with
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this big flood of one stars like the app
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review system is not something that I
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have to concern myself with which I love
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and I can just kind of keep moving
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making that better and better and it
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doesn't have this weird external effect
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that I'm trying to counteract and that's
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how it always should have been like the
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written reviews medes made like the
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loudest most upset people it made their
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review count for more than it should
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have counted for and now that now that
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we have a larger number of reviews that
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persist between between updates and that
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we'd have this this way to get quick
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star ratings from people who don't who
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aren't upset enough to write a full
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review like they just like your app and
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just use it quietly like they're likely
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you know it the silent approving
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majority their opinion now matters more
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and and I think that's great for
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everybody because it more fairly
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represents how people actually hope
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you'll actually think of your app rather
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than just focusing on the few people who
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were most angry enough to write reviews
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and and one thing that's kind of funny
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is I feel like it's made me less as a
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customer I'm cared less about the star
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rating that I used to because it seems
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like every app has a couple thousand
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reviews and it's four or five stars like
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that's just sort of like that that's
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like the baseline now and so it makes it
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as if an app doesn't have that I'm
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almost like I'm actively worried like
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something is really weird with this app
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if it's having really bad star rating
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because they have so many more tools
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they don't have to reset them every time
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and rebuild that audience it's like it's
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now it's just this thing that you have
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and so it's like it's nice to it in some
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ways that's nice in some ways that's
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that's not so nice but I do love that I
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just it's a thing that I care I have to
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carry and focus less about you know I
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don't have to actively check and
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maintain and manage the star rating of
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my apps like I used to and I appreciate
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that being able to just focus on other
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my customers we respond to this week by
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2017 would probably be the
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a big App Store refresh redesign relay
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out whatever whatever you want to call
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it and the sort with that the big
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changes in the editorial process within
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the App Store where now we have in
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addition to just like a totally new kind
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of look and feel and a bunch of new
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fields where now we can have promotional
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description text and we have a subtitle
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now as in addition to just the regular
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title and the title it's got four
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shorter and we can have multiple app
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previews in the app reviews auto play
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like there's that side of things and
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then we also have the new kind of every
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day or several times a day editorial
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process that kisk sort of come along
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with it and I think and I think overall
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it's been good to me it's always like I
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mean I don't know if that's just a
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self-centered way to look at this but I
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think overall it's been a slight benefit
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that I think the design changes seemed
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to seem to work better or at least at
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the very least they they didn't have a
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negative impact and I certainly had some
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concerns that because of the a reduction
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in density in a lot of the screens that
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it would have had a negative impact but
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if anything it's had a yes and a slight
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net positive so I like that
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I think the editorial side of things
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seems really nice
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like I've been fortunate enough to be in
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a couple of the like roundups or like
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included in some of the the daily
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articles and it certainly has an impact
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and it's nice to you know have seven
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chances a week for that whereas before
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you had you know one chance a week to do
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that it was every Thursday here's the
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new set of features it's kind of nice to
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feel like we have more options and you
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know it probably proportionately means
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that the impact of any one featuring has
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gone down that read being premium having
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a substantial feature before would have
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had a resulted in more downloads but you
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can now get them more often and it seems
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like once your app is sort of in that
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world where it's on the list of being
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feat of kind of things that are being
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considered for featuring it's reasonably
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likely that your app will show up as
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they kind of cycle through the different
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things that they're trying to promote
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throughout the year so like overall I
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think the new app store is taking a bit
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of getting used
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but otherwise I like it and I think it's
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had a positive impact overall yeah I I
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was also a little wary when it launched
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of you know not just not knowing what
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kind of impact it would have and it was
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it's a it's a bunch of very major layout
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changes and so it seemed and major
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editorial changes so it seemed like it
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was likely to have a pretty wild swings
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in either way and he didn't really know
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until it locks like whether you're
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whether or benefit you or not and as far
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as I can tell I don't think it really
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has meaningfully affected overcast
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positively or negatively it seems like I
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kind of got away with a nice neutral
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outcome there but overall it does seem a
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lot more pleasant to use in a number of
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ways the information density is
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significantly lower and in some ways
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that gets in my way and feels clumsy but
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honestly it wasn't like the App Store
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layout and usability and things like
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that weren't that great in the previous
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one either so it's I think it's
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significantly better than it was and all
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the editorial changes are very welcome
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they're clearly putting a ton more
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effort into the weekly editorial stuff
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and now the daily editorial stuff on it
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one one area that this is a little bit I
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don't know of unsettling as the word but
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they they've added many ways in which
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companies with large marketing resources
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at their disposal like companies that
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can afford to have a very large
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marketing effort that coordinates with
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Apple that reaches out that supplies all
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sorts of different materials and and
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achieves all sorts of different you know
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goals and relationships and everything
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there's there is more for them to do
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there are more ways than ever for
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marketing people and marketing teams to
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help boost an app in the App Store and
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that's that's good I think those should
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exist and I think those kind of always
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did exist but now they're baby made a
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little more official but it also raises
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the the bar for independence like us for
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like how much of this marketing are we
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ever really going to do or can we afford
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to do or will we have the the tools and
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resources to do that is a little bit
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less awesome in some ways but I think a
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lot of that's just kind of an inevitable
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maturing of the App Store over time and
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we're gonna have to figure out
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operate in that environment yeah I mean
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it's an MA in many ways I think makes me
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think of search ads which is also
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something that it got enhancements in
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2017 and was something that it's like
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I've just sort of gotten everyone's as
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I've gotten a sense of the cost
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associated with that it's just sort of
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the understanding that the types of APIs
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I make don't justify playing in that
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market and that means that I'm never
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going to be the thing at the top of a
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search result even if I am the top
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search result there's always going to be
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someone else who is willing to pay more
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and as a result you know that's just
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sort of where the best I can hope for a
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second place and in general so far
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that's been fine
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but it is certainly a bit frustrating
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that it's you know the bet that there's
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a there's an heart of the App Store that
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is just not viable for me to take
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advantage of that you know would
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increase my visibility and you know
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maybe that's certainly I see that as my
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problem it's not like it's a problem for
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Fred doing search ads like I'm not I
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think they they're useful and they're
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I'm glad they exist I think overall I if
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they'd went away if I decided that they
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were you know that they decided they
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didn't want search ads anymore I
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wouldn't be sad but it certainly is one
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of the only kind of Dan net downside of
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kind of the way that this you know the
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App Store changed and I think it the App
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Store changes in in fact if anything in
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Iowa in in iOS 11 made the searches this
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dad's even bigger and slightly more
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prominent just because of the way they
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changed the layouts of everything so
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that's just one of those you know it's
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just like one of those things but it is
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it take a net win but in that area is
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probably a much more marginal one for me
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all right so to wrap this up if you can
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pick like one number one wishlist item
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for the App Store in 2018 you have any
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idea what that might be I would loved to
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see Apple further enhance the app
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analytics area especially around sources
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I think that would be very helpful to
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get a bit more insight into like when
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someone's when they say like this
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percentage of my users are browse this
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percentage of my users are search having
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some insight into what they were
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browsing for what they were searching
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I think would be helpful I like that I
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think that that's something that I
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certainly think of that would be would
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be nice I think I would look forward to
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it's like I'm trying think of other like
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things that I would love I love when iOS
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12 and watch OS 5 come out for them to
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drop support for some old devices
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because there's a couple of older
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devices that are making that make
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development a bit more clumsy and
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awkward then I would love and so I'd
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love to see that them to be slightly
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more aggressive and who knows the way
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that they're the recent battery scandal
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shenanigans situation has happened maybe
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they will be more apt to do that so
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that'll make my life easier and their
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life easier but those are these sort of
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the two that come to mind what about you
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I think you know within the realm of
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things that are actually realistic like
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yeah I would love for them to drop that
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70% Commission and and you know get and
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you know give us more like 85% all the
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time like that would be nice it's not
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gonna do it here within the realm of
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what's actually likely and and not
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counting things like API and SDK changes
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the for the actual store itself the
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biggest thing I want is better search
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and I don't just mean like different
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layout of search results I the biggest
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thing I want to see is improvements to
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their relevancy ranking that is the
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hardest part of search the hard part of
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search is not finding results it's
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sorting the results in a reasonable and
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useful way and and that's the area in
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which Apple has so badly fallen down in
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the App Store so much of a time and and
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that affects both the search results
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themselves and as previously discussed
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in previous episodes that affects the
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the relevance pricing and ranking of
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search ads as well so number one for me
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that's I think what the App Store needs
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the most is better search and more
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specifically better relevancy ranking of
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search results yeah I certainly would
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would love that I mean there's some
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things that is always so frustrating and
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I know this is partly because I have
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most of my apps a fairly generic names
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which is an intentional thing but it's
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also sometimes a problematic thing is
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where someone does a literal search for
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the name of my app you know so they they
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type in workouts plus plus that's their
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search term and it doesn't show up
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anywhere in the search results it's just
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very frustrating
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we're like I understand why like I'm
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sure they're just excluding the plus
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plus characters and then sitting there
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doing like a general you know general
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search and so on but it's just one of
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those things where like anytime that
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happens it is certainly very frustrating
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and so I would love for that system to
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and but honestly also both as a user
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like I always kind of hate when I'm
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search I do a search for an app or a
00:29:16
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type of app and most of the initial
00:29:18
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results clearly are apps that have been
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updated in a while or are in lower
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quality or whatever that are just like
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apps that have been in the store for a
00:29:26
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long time like that's tombstone or are
00:29:28
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totally irrelevant to what you searched
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for sure so like definitely an
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improvement to that would be very much
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appreciated all right well here's hoping
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to a great 2018 and here's some thanks
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for a good 2017 to the App Store people
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yeah thanks everyone for listening and
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we'll talk to you next week bye