Under the Radar 39: Lightning Round 1
  
   
 
 
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     welcome to under the radar the show 
     
     
  
 
 
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     about independent iOS app development 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I'm Marco Arment and I'm David Smith 
     
     
  
 
 
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     under the radar is never longer than 30 
     
     
  
 
 
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     minutes so let's get started 
     
     
  
 
 
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     so we decided to ask our audience on 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Twitter a little bit ago what we should 
     
     
  
 
 
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     talk about this week because you know in 
     
     
  
 
 
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     the summertime there's not a whole lot 
     
     
  
 
 
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     of news that happens in the tech world 
     
     
  
 
 
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     usually and so we decided this week to 
     
     
  
 
 
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     do something a little bit different 
     
     
  
 
 
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     we're gonna have kind of like a 
     
     
  
 
 
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     lightning round of listener Q&A and 
     
     
  
 
 
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     basically pick a lot of the tweet 
     
     
  
 
 
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     responses that we got and try to answer 
     
     
  
 
 
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     them in you know cuz like a lot of these 
     
     
  
 
 
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     things are not things that we can talk 
     
     
  
 
 
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     about it for a whole episode we just 
     
     
  
 
 
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     won't have enough to say on these issues 
     
     
  
 
 
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     to fill a half hour but we might have 
     
     
  
 
 
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     enough to say on them to fill a few 
     
     
  
 
 
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     minutes so we're basically pick as many 
     
     
  
 
 
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     you just see how many we can get through 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and a half hour and and see what happens 
     
     
  
 
 
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     from that so Davey when I get started 
     
     
  
 
 
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     sure so the first question that I was 
     
     
  
 
 
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     gonna answer is I got a question from 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Jordi Bruin who asked about projects set 
     
     
  
 
 
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     up when you are first starting new 
     
     
  
 
 
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     things and as somebody who starts a lot 
     
     
  
 
 
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     of new things a lot yes um I have a lot 
     
     
  
 
 
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     of experience at this and I've done a 
     
     
  
 
 
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     lot of different things I think where 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I'm gonna take his question with a lot 
     
     
  
 
 
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     of these I'm where you could be asking a 
     
     
  
 
 
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     different question then we're actually 
     
     
  
 
 
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     gonna answer and if that's the case 
     
     
  
 
 
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     sorry but that's the way this is just 
     
     
  
 
 
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     necessarily going to work so I'm 
     
     
  
 
 
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     imagining stuff like when you hit a new 
     
     
  
 
 
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     project woody how do you actually set up 
     
     
  
 
 
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     that initial Xcode project before you 
     
     
  
 
 
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     start coding and I've done a lot of 
     
     
  
 
 
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     things over the years I've tried all the 
     
     
  
 
 
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     different templates like when you go 
     
     
  
 
 
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     into Xcode and it has you know would you 
     
     
  
 
 
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     like this to be a tab to application 
     
     
  
 
 
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     would you like it to be a master detail 
     
     
  
 
 
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     view and there's all kinds of things 
     
     
  
 
 
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     that you can do you trying to set it up 
     
     
  
 
 
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     for core data or not or all these other 
     
     
  
 
 
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     sort of templates into this stuff I've 
     
     
  
 
 
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     tried all those in the past I've always 
     
     
  
 
 
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     found that at a certain point it starts 
     
     
  
 
 
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     to get really messy if I go hit check 
     
     
  
 
 
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     too many of those boxes and so at this 
     
     
  
 
 
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     point I would say what I do is I just do 
     
     
  
 
 
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     the minimalist or impossible 
     
     
  
 
 
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     so I do a single View application I 
     
     
  
 
 
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     don't check any of the core data even 
     
     
  
 
 
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     though I use core data 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I'll have the you know I'll go in and 
     
     
  
 
 
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     add all of those things later and I find 
     
     
  
 
 
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     that works a lot better so sometimes 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I'll make a throwaway project 
     
     
  
 
 
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     to see how the template would have set 
     
     
  
 
 
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     something up so if I'm curious if 
     
     
  
 
 
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     they've changed their core data stack or 
     
     
  
 
 
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     the way they recommend it or look at it 
     
     
  
 
 
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     but I just wanted as empty of a project 
     
     
  
 
 
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     as can be and I'll go into my app 
     
     
  
 
 
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     delegate I'll create my instantiate my 
     
     
  
 
 
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     first my root view controller and I'll 
     
     
  
 
 
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     present it and I find that doing it that 
     
     
  
 
 
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     way what I love is I know everything 
     
     
  
 
 
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     every part of the application from the 
     
     
  
 
 
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     absolute like from the bottom up is 
     
     
  
 
 
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     something that I understand and 
     
     
  
 
 
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     something I know it's working and so 
     
     
  
 
 
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     that I don't need these weird surprises 
     
     
  
 
 
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     that I find if I set it up using one of 
     
     
  
 
 
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     the Xcode templates cool 
     
     
  
 
 
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     yeah that's pretty I have nothing to add 
     
     
  
 
 
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     to that because I start a new project 
     
     
  
 
 
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     like every three years it takes a locked 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I I always forget what I've done last 
     
     
  
 
 
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     time and I just kind of wing it and kind 
     
     
  
 
 
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     of plow through your way sounds a lot 
     
     
  
 
 
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     better than my way 
     
     
  
 
 
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     okay yeah all right our next topic comes 
     
     
  
 
 
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     to us from Shore Johnson and who asks 
     
     
  
 
 
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     how do you know when an update is 
     
     
  
 
 
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     finished and can't be polished anymore 
     
     
  
 
 
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     startling that with myself now so this 
     
     
  
 
 
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     is you know this happens to every 
     
     
  
 
 
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     developer I know where like you have an 
     
     
  
 
 
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     update or even your 1.0 to your app and 
     
     
  
 
 
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     you could just keep making it better and 
     
     
  
 
 
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     adding a little thing here or there oh 
     
     
  
 
 
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     you know I get thrown one more thing I 
     
     
  
 
 
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     throw one more feature I could make this 
     
     
  
 
 
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     thing a little bit better I could 
     
     
  
 
 
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     redesign this one screen or this one 
     
     
  
 
 
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     element and when do you actually just 
     
     
  
 
 
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     say all right enough is enough I have to 
     
     
  
 
 
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     ship it and for me I've got I've you 
     
     
  
 
 
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     know kind of gone through different 
     
     
  
 
 
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     parts of this myself in my own 
     
     
  
 
 
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     experience like I've kind of gone a 
     
     
  
 
 
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     different into the spectrum here but 
     
     
  
 
 
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     ultimately I think it's better to err on 
     
     
  
 
 
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     the side of more frequent updates rather 
     
     
  
 
 
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     than fewer larger updates you know it 
     
     
  
 
 
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     you can't we actually talked a little 
     
     
  
 
 
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     bit about this a while ago about 
     
     
  
 
 
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     marketing and we're like you can hold 
     
     
  
 
 
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     back a bunch of features to release all 
     
     
  
 
 
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     at once in as I can marketing strategy 
     
     
  
 
 
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     to try to make like one major update 
     
     
  
 
 
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     that will be newsworthy enough for maybe 
     
     
  
 
 
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     some blogs to cover 
     
     
  
 
 
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     but in practice that's not most updates 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and the value of that itself is also 
     
     
  
 
 
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     kind of questionable it's it varies as 
     
     
  
 
 
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     to whether that's even worth doing with 
     
     
  
 
 
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     it actually works that way or not in 
     
     
  
 
 
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     general air now on the side of just 
     
     
  
 
 
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     release things as they get done and that 
     
     
  
 
 
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     tends to work better for me how about 
     
     
  
 
 
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     you yeah I would agree that in general 
     
     
  
 
 
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     the the thing that I've learned most 
     
     
  
 
 
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     after doing lots of updates is that the 
     
     
  
 
 
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     things that I think are important or 
     
     
  
 
 
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     interesting are very often not the 
     
     
  
 
 
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     things that are important and 
     
     
  
 
 
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     interesting and so the to my users and 
     
     
  
 
 
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     so the sooner that I can get it in front 
     
     
  
 
 
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     of people and get their reactions to it 
     
     
  
 
 
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     the better that the number of times I 
     
     
  
 
 
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     like I mean that I know this understand 
     
     
  
 
 
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     exactly that phase that he's talking 
     
     
  
 
 
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     about sort of if you're like oh what if 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I did this what if I did that what if I 
     
     
  
 
 
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     did this and you can keep doing that 
     
     
  
 
 
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     forever like there is no and what though 
     
     
  
 
 
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     you will never reach a point where 
     
     
  
 
 
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     you're like done this is perfect 
     
     
  
 
 
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     ship it you have to always be in sort of 
     
     
  
 
 
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     forcing yourself to cut it off 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and I think the more disciplines you can 
     
     
  
 
 
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     be to write off small things get them 
     
     
  
 
 
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     good and solid ship them and get 
     
     
  
 
 
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     reactions the better your app will be 
     
     
  
 
 
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     much more quickly and sometimes you look 
     
     
  
 
 
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     in it when you avoid probably more 
     
     
  
 
 
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     important that you avoid the situation 
     
     
  
 
 
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     where you go down this rabbit hole you 
     
     
  
 
 
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     build this like crazy new thing that no 
     
     
  
 
 
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     one uses or isn't important to the app 
     
     
  
 
 
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     or actually makes the app worse because 
     
     
  
 
 
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     you're you're doing it in a way that 
     
     
  
 
 
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     people aren't actually using your 
     
     
  
 
 
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     application for exactly so the next one 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I wanted to react to is a question we 
     
     
  
 
 
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     got from Rob Barney who asked 
     
     
  
 
 
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     essentially about the way we do UI 
     
     
  
 
 
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     layouts so do we code them do a dude 
     
     
  
 
 
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     interface builder or do we use a 
     
     
  
 
 
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     combination or you know in libraries and 
     
     
  
 
 
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     auto layout and all those kinds of 
     
     
  
 
 
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     things and so I I think I have a 
     
     
  
 
 
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     slightly strange view on this at least 
     
     
  
 
 
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     compared to a lot of people I've never 
     
     
  
 
 
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     really met on someone else who does it 
     
     
  
 
 
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     the way that I do it but this just works 
     
     
  
 
 
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     for the way my brain is so I do all of 
     
     
  
 
 
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     my layout in code for the most part I'll 
     
     
  
 
 
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     do have a few interface builder files 
     
     
  
 
 
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     usually those are for things like 
     
     
  
 
 
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     setting screens or kind of one-off views 
     
     
  
 
 
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     that aren't dynamic or interesting 
     
     
  
 
 
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     they're just kind of like something like 
     
     
  
 
 
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     a little part of the app you know a 
     
     
  
 
 
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     little corner of the application that I 
     
     
  
 
 
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     don't want to do in code but usually I 
     
     
  
 
 
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     just write them in code I do all my 
     
     
  
 
 
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     layout in in code as well I don't use 
     
     
  
 
 
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     auto layout instead 
     
     
  
 
 
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     do you know dynamic and interesting 
     
     
  
 
 
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     layout things but I do it all in like 
     
     
  
 
 
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     view to layout subviews or equivalent 
     
     
  
 
 
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     methods and the view controller or the 
     
     
  
 
 
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     view depending on what it is 
     
     
  
 
 
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     every time the views frame updates 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I'll go through and update the frames of 
     
     
  
 
 
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     all of its sub views appropriately and 
     
     
  
 
 
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     which is essentially what Auto layout 
     
     
  
 
 
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     does but I do it in a way that for me I 
     
     
  
 
 
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     can understand that I can be you know 
     
     
  
 
 
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     you're right clear declarative you know 
     
     
  
 
 
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     code that says like I want this to be at 
     
     
  
 
 
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     this percentage of this thing and I 
     
     
  
 
 
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     could do that in Auto layout and maybe I 
     
     
  
 
 
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     would get some benefits but every time 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I've gone down that road of taking my 
     
     
  
 
 
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     layout code and it will take my layout 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and putting it into something else 
     
     
  
 
 
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     whether that's interface builder whether 
     
     
  
 
 
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     it's Auto layout 
     
     
  
 
 
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     whenever there's some kind of magic 
     
     
  
 
 
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     that's happening somewhere else it in my 
     
     
  
 
 
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     experience it come to that comes back to 
     
     
  
 
 
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     bite me eventually that there's gonna be 
     
     
  
 
 
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     that just mean that I would rather just 
     
     
  
 
 
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     do it in code it's not for everybody you 
     
     
  
 
 
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     have to kind of be good at can imagining 
     
     
  
 
 
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     a layout in your brain without it's you 
     
     
  
 
 
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     know seeing it in front of you so if you 
     
     
  
 
 
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     can't do that then this approach doesn't 
     
     
  
 
 
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     work but that's what I do and a random 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I ever use for fixing and debugging 
     
     
  
 
 
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     problems with my layouts is taking 
     
     
  
 
 
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     whatever UI view I'm working with and I 
     
     
  
 
 
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     say view dot layer dot bordered with 
     
     
  
 
 
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     equals one which just adds a little 
     
     
  
 
 
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     black line around it which makes it 
     
     
  
 
 
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     incredibly easy to see where things are 
     
     
  
 
 
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     actually laid out on your screen black 
     
     
  
 
 
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     that's so boring you should be using FoF 
     
     
  
 
 
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     the the bright pink ugly color that you 
     
     
  
 
 
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     that nobody ever uses in reality so you 
     
     
  
 
 
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     always know that's what you're looking 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     it's true but then I would need two 
     
     
  
 
 
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     lines of code rather than just one 
     
     
  
 
 
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     that's true all right yeah I actually 
     
     
  
 
 
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     have a pretty similar answer to that 
     
     
  
 
 
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     question where I do occasionally use 
     
     
  
 
 
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     interface builder for something but it's 
     
     
  
 
 
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     rare I I prefer to do things in code now 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I actually do use auto layout more than 
     
     
  
 
 
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     just like a view layout sub views kind 
     
     
  
 
 
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     of thing where I I will I will use 
     
     
  
 
 
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     constraints and constraint and language 
     
     
  
 
 
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     but I do it through the library that I 
     
     
  
 
 
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     have open source called compact 
     
     
  
 
 
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     constraint and it's basically a kind of 
     
     
  
 
 
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     shortcut CSS looking kind of language 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     constraints manually and I use a 
     
     
  
 
 
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     combination of that along with the 
     
     
  
 
 
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     what's called a visual format language 
     
     
  
 
 
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     the kind of ASCII language of 
     
     
  
 
 
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     constraints like the ASCII art thing I 
     
     
  
 
 
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     don't know what it's called yeah I 
     
     
  
 
 
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     believe it's the I think it's called 
     
     
  
 
 
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     visual foreign language anyway I use a 
     
     
  
 
 
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     combination of those two things so 
     
     
  
 
 
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     basically my layouts end up you know 
     
     
  
 
 
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     there is a there is a coat there is a 
     
     
  
 
 
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     function somewhere maybe it is view 
     
     
  
 
 
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     alejo subviews or awake from neighbor 
     
     
  
 
 
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     whatever you know me there's a view 
     
     
  
 
 
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     somewhere in my code there's a section 
     
     
  
 
 
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     where where for every view I have listed 
     
     
  
 
 
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     like here's all the constraints for when 
     
     
  
 
 
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     you create this view and it looks kind 
     
     
  
 
 
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     of like CSS and it makes it very easy to 
     
     
  
 
 
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     see what's going on and to change what's 
     
     
  
 
 
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     going on and one of the reasons I do it 
     
     
  
 
 
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     this way and one of the things I don't 
     
     
  
 
 
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     really care for about using interface 
     
     
  
 
 
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     builder is when you're using an 
     
     
  
 
 
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     interface builder to do things it's it's 
     
     
  
 
 
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     often difficult to add a glance see what 
     
     
  
 
 
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     are all of the what are all the rules 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and all of the property changes from 
     
     
  
 
 
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     defaults that I'm applying to this 
     
     
  
 
 
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     object you know it when interface 
     
     
  
 
 
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     builder a lot of times things are buried 
     
     
  
 
 
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     in in checkboxes somewhere or like the 
     
     
  
 
 
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     little value changes deep down somewhere 
     
     
  
 
 
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     like you might miss if you're gonna 
     
     
  
 
 
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     cleansing glancing at the file whereas 
     
     
  
 
 
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     if you do the layout and and 
     
     
  
 
 
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     customization of properties all in code 
     
     
  
 
 
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     you can see it all right there you can 
     
     
  
 
 
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     see everything you're doing to this view 
     
     
  
 
 
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     or to this window or whatever the case 
     
     
  
 
 
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     may be and it makes it a lot easier to 
     
     
  
 
 
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     find and fix problems and a lot easier 
     
     
  
 
 
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     to figure out like oh what's going on 
     
     
  
 
 
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     here like why why is this thing bold or 
     
     
  
 
 
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     whatever you can see it all in one place 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and that's something that you can just 
     
     
  
 
 
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     never get really an interface builder 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:10:25
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     ► 
     alright my next question comes from 
     
     
  
 
 
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     ► 
     William Robinson asking failure putting 
     
     
  
 
 
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     an app out and nobody caring slash 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:10:34
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     downloading so basically what happens if 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:10:36
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     your app just doesn't go anywhere this 
     
     
  
 
 
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     ► 
     is heartbreaking it happens though it 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:10:41
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     ► 
     happens to everybody you know ultimately 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:10:42
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     ► 
     what if it starts going somewhere and 
     
     
  
 
 
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     ► 
     then stops and then you know eventually 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:10:46
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     ► 
     sales reach negligible levels this has 
     
     
  
 
 
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     ► 
     happened to a number of my apps because 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:10:50
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     ► 
     again this happens to everybody and you 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:10:53
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     ► 
     know one of the one of the clearest ones 
     
     
  
 
 
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     ► 
     was bug shot where I just kind of shot 
     
     
  
 
 
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     ► 
     up you know made made a couple thousand 
     
     
  
 
 
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     dollars in the first few months and then 
     
     
  
 
 
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     ► 
     just kind of went down to nothing and 
     
     
  
 
 
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     ► 
     was making like a dollar a day for 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:11:02
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     ► 
     awhile at best and you know that's when 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:11:07
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     that happens you 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:11:08
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     ► 
     you kind of have to face reality and 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:11:09
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     ► 
     it's it's a little hard to judge like 
     
     
  
 
 
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     ► 
     okay well if I put a lot more effort 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:11:14
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     ► 
     into like a 2.0 maybe I can like save 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:11:17
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     ► 
     this or rescue this usually that's not 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:11:20
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     ► 
     the right move usually you can't save a 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:11:22
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     ► 
     rescue it usually the market is telling 
     
     
  
 
 
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     ► 
     you something the market is telling you 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:11:25
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     ► 
     either you know either we don't need 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:11:27
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     ► 
     this or we are satisfied by other neat 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:11:31
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     ► 
     by other solutions to this problem 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:11:32
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     ► 
     enough that yours isn't necessary and 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:11:35
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     ► 
     you know you could change things about 
     
     
  
 
 
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     ► 
     it like you know you could change the 
     
     
  
 
 
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     ► 
     price maybe you could you know again you 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:11:41
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     ► 
     could release a 2.0 but usually if 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:11:43
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     ► 
     something has failed in the marketplace 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:11:45
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     ► 
     enough that you need to face this 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:11:47
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     ► 
     reality chances are any of those changes 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:11:49
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     ► 
     you would make to it would not be enough 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:11:51
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     ► 
     to turn what is clearly a failure into a 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:11:55
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     ► 
     success you might eat a little bit more 
     
     
  
 
 
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     ► 
     time out of it a little bit more money 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:11:58
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     ► 
     out of it maybe but probably not 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:12:01
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     ► 
     chances are you know recognize your 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:12:03
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     ► 
     recognized failures early enough and 
     
     
  
 
 
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     ► 
     then just move on if you can that's 
     
     
  
 
 
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     usually a better use of the time than 
     
     
  
 
 
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     ► 
     then like you know shoving more time and 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:12:12
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     ► 
     effort into an app that has already 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:12:14
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     ► 
     failed in the market yes and I have 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:12:18
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     ► 
     failed a lot like the experience he's 
     
     
  
 
 
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     ► 
     describing and some that I've 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:12:22
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     ► 
     experienced many times I've watched a 
     
     
  
 
 
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     ► 
     lot of apps and I've had many of them 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:12:27
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     ► 
     that go out and either have the thing 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:12:29
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     ► 
     you describe with bug shot where it's 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:12:30
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     ► 
     like he goes up and then just like falls 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:12:32
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     ► 
     flat or even I have just had it never go 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:12:34
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     ► 
     anywhere like you just never know and 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:12:37
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     ► 
     the biggest thing I suppose is to 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:12:40
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     ► 
     understand that it is not like the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:12:45
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     ► 
     ultimate the Beth of ultimate product 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:12:47
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     ► 
     that I am building throughout my career 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:12:49
     ◼
      
     ► 
     is myself like what I want is to at the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:12:55
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     ► 
     end of the sort of have each project of 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:12:57
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     ► 
     everything of each thing that I build 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:12:58
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     ► 
     make me a better developer make me more 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:13:01
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     ► 
     able to make better and more awesome you 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:13:05
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     ► 
     know products and send things down the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:13:07
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     ► 
     road because tastes will change 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:13:09
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     ► 
     platforms will change like all of those 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:13:11
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     ► 
     things are always going to be very you 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:13:14
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     ► 
     know evolve over time and no one product 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:13:16
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     ► 
     is going to last forever you know my 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:13:18
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     ► 
     business and based on products in the 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:13:21
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     ► 
     dude kind of terrible but that was fine 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:13:23
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     ► 
     they had their moment and sometimes you 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:13:26
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     ► 
     know you never are gonna know exactly 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:13:27
     ◼
      
     ► 
     what's gonna happen and so when I 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:13:28
     ◼
      
     ► 
     whenever you have failures I think the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:13:30
     ◼
      
     ► 
     most constructive way to look at it is 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:13:31
     ◼
      
     ► 
     to say what can I learn from this how 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:13:35
     ◼
      
     ► 
     can that you know how can this 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:13:36
     ◼
      
     ► 
     experience have make make me a better 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:13:37
     ◼
      
     ► 
     developer and then take that experience 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:13:39
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     ► 
     and just pour it into your next thing 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:13:42
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     ► 
     because as long as you are getting 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:13:45
     ◼
      
     ► 
     better each time then you're being 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:13:47
     ◼
      
     ► 
     successful like you are meeting the core 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:13:50
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     ► 
     goal and while that's nice when it's you 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:13:52
     ◼
      
     ► 
     know you hit on a product that is 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:13:53
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     ► 
     successful and really just takes off and 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:13:55
     ◼
      
     ► 
     like that's awesome you know I'm just 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:13:57
     ◼
      
     ► 
     really not diminishing that but making 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:14:00
     ◼
      
     ► 
     sure that you always keep it perspective 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:14:01
     ◼
      
     ► 
     that like the individual product is not 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:14:04
     ◼
      
     ► 
     you know you trying to have some 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:14:05
     ◼
      
     ► 
     distance from what you create is really 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:14:08
     ◼
      
     ► 
     helpful and keeping the focus on what 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:14:10
     ◼
      
     ► 
     can I learn and now let's go work on the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:14:12
     ◼
      
     ► 
     next thing I not get too stuck on it all 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:14:14
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     ► 
     right we are sponsored this week by 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:14:16
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     ► 
     Braintree learn more at Braintree 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:14:19
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     ► 
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	 00:14:22
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     ► 
     payment integration more difficult than 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:14:23
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     ► 
     it has to be brain trees powerful 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:14:25
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     ► 
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	 00:14:28
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     to accept nearly any type of payment 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:14:29
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     ► 
     from any device with just one 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:14:31
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     ► 
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	 00:14:34
     ◼
      
     ► 
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	 00:14:35
     ◼
      
     ► 
     languages so whether you're using java 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:14:37
     ◼
      
     ► 
     god I hope not you have my sympathy Java 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:14:39
     ◼
      
     ► 
     Ruby or Python you always have a range 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:14:42
     ◼
      
     ► 
     of server-side and client-side SDKs 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:14:44
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     ► 
     available the Braintree code supports 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:14:46
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     ► 
     Android iOS and JavaScript clients and 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:14:49
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     ► 
     it tastes just ten lines of code to 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:14:51
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     ► 
     implement Braintree makes payments and 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:14:53
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	 00:14:54
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     ► 
     learn more at Braintree payments comm 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:14:56
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     ► 
     slash radar thanks a lot to Braintree 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:14:58
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     ► 
     for sponsoring our show okay so the next 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:15:02
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     ► 
     question I wanted to address is from hip 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:15:04
     ◼
      
     ► 
     tommcatt and he's asking about 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:15:07
     ◼
      
     ► 
     architectural patterns like mvvm MVC 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:15:10
     ◼
      
     ► 
     coordinators I have had a few quiet 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:15:12
     ◼
      
     ► 
     questions about this like the all of 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:15:15
     ◼
      
     ► 
     these things do kind of I don't I don't 
     
     
  
 
 
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     go and maybe my answer will probably 
     
     
  
 
 
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     point out that I don't go down the road 
     
     
  
 
 
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     of paying too much attention to a lot of 
     
     
  
 
 
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     these things that there's a lot of 
     
     
  
 
 
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     things that I keep hearing about where 
     
     
  
 
 
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     people are talking about like new 
     
     
  
 
 
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     patterns or sometimes there are new 
     
     
  
 
 
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     structures or approaches to apps or 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Mike and I see that and I look at it and 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I the thing that I always worry about 
     
     
  
 
 
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     whenever I see people who get really 
     
     
  
 
 
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     wrapped around patterns and this goes 
     
     
  
 
 
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     back to like back in my old Java days 
     
     
  
 
 
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     where the like design patterns thing was 
     
     
  
 
 
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     a big like there was like a big fat or 
     
     
  
 
 
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     is that was the whole thing everything 
     
     
  
 
 
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     had to be a factory or an observer god 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and the important thing I always try and 
     
     
  
 
 
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     keep keep in mind again and like when I 
     
     
  
 
 
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     get gonna people ask me this kind of 
     
     
  
 
 
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     question is making sure that you're 
     
     
  
 
 
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     writing code that a you can understand 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and and know that you understand like at 
     
     
  
 
 
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     a vague level how it works but you can 
     
     
  
 
 
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     under you understand why it's structured 
     
     
  
 
 
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     the way it is like the worst 
     
     
  
 
 
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     implementations of everyone ever was 
     
     
  
 
 
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     back when I used to do consulting where 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I'd come in to a project and have to try 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and work out how they're doing something 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and you kind of clearly get the sense 
     
     
  
 
 
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     that they're using a design pattern 
     
     
  
 
 
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     because they feel like they should but 
     
     
  
 
 
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     they don't really understand what that 
     
     
  
 
 
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     design patterns intent or purpose was 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and so it's just a mess so if you're 
     
     
  
 
 
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     ever going to use a pattern you have it 
     
     
  
 
 
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     should be this thing that it's like well 
     
     
  
 
 
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     you know this is the best way to do it 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I completely understand the trade-offs 
     
     
  
 
 
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     on both sides of this and for me and the 
     
     
  
 
 
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     way that I think about this problem this 
     
     
  
 
 
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     will work really well and if one of 
     
     
  
 
 
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     these approaches works great having view 
     
     
  
 
 
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     models or coordinators or whatever it is 
     
     
  
 
 
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     like that's that fits with the way your 
     
     
  
 
 
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     brain works then awesome that's great 
     
     
  
 
 
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     but definitely never feel like you have 
     
     
  
 
 
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     to go down the road of adopting some 
     
     
  
 
 
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     pattern because it's sort of hip and 
     
     
  
 
 
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     trendy because the nature of hip and 
     
     
  
 
 
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     trendy is that it will change and it 
     
     
  
 
 
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     isn't necessarily changing because we've 
     
     
  
 
 
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     somehow like had this breakthrough 
     
     
  
 
 
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     discovery and now it's like turned the 
     
     
  
 
 
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     world of software development over time 
     
     
  
 
 
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     like there's an element of it that it's 
     
     
  
 
 
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     just trendy and so find what works for 
     
     
  
 
 
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     you and make sure that you can 
     
     
  
 
 
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     understand your code and it's 
     
     
  
 
 
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     understandable you're gonna have far 
     
     
  
 
 
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     fewer bugs then the thing where it's 
     
     
  
 
 
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     like oh well theoretically if I use this 
     
     
  
 
 
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     thing and I completely abstract all of 
     
     
  
 
 
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     my logic away down the road it'll make 
     
     
  
 
 
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     it easier and I'll have great 
     
     
  
 
 
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     encapsulation and my bugs will go down 
     
     
  
 
 
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     because I can you know test all my 
     
     
  
 
 
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     interfaces and that's great that's 
     
     
  
 
 
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     probably true at a certain point but the 
     
     
  
 
 
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     actual like developer sitting at the 
     
     
  
 
 
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     keyboard has to 
     
     
  
 
 
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     understand what's going on and if you 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:17:47
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     can do that then great like for me most 
     
     
  
 
 
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     of my architectural patterns in my apps 
     
     
  
 
 
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     ie are structured around like single 
     
     
  
 
 
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     thins and managers I guess I call them 
     
     
  
 
 
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     you guys the way most of my apps are 
     
     
  
 
 
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     caps all my app logic is kind of broken 
     
     
  
 
 
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     up into you know have a whole bunch of 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Singleton's that handle a bunch of Jeff 
     
     
  
 
 
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     like have a particular domain so I have 
     
     
  
 
 
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     a single thing that handles all my stuff 
     
     
  
 
 
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     with health and dealing with health kit 
     
     
  
 
 
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     or dealing with core data or doing 
     
     
  
 
 
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     networking and for me that works like I 
     
     
  
 
 
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     can I know where all like all the 
     
     
  
 
 
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     problems with that like there's 
     
     
  
 
 
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     certainly issues the singletons and 
     
     
  
 
 
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     coupling and like I understand those 
     
     
  
 
 
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     downsides but for me it works great and 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I understand it and I know how not to do 
     
     
  
 
 
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     it wrong and that's what I do and I try 
     
     
  
 
 
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     not to be too distracted whenever 
     
     
  
 
 
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     ► 
     there's like some hip new thing that's 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:18:32
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     ► 
     come out and you know it's like you have 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:18:35
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     the problem of you see a talk say at a 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:18:36
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     conference or something or blog post and 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:18:38
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     someone's like hey we did this thing and 
     
     
  
 
 
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     it worked great for us and you 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:18:42
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     immediately can try and extend that to 
     
     
  
 
 
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     say like hey they did this cool thing 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and it'll work right for me when if you 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:18:50
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     really you have to have a much more deep 
     
     
  
 
 
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     understanding of what that thing is and 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:18:53
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     what its benefits are but before you can 
     
     
  
 
 
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     ever make that kind of a judgment yeah I 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I pretty much agree with everything you 
     
     
  
 
 
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     say I also developed with a lot of 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Singleton's and things I also don't use 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:19:04
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     a lot of design patterns or lead the 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Gang of Four book and and so maybe I'm 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:19:09
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     using them without even realizing I'm 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:19:11
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     using them but I never really got into 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:19:13
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     that side of software architecture of 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:19:17
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     like really obsessing over that kind of 
     
     
  
 
 
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     thing because in in the scale that I'm 
     
     
  
 
 
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     typically working at with you know a 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:19:23
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     one-person team that kind of stuff tends 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:19:25
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     ► 
     not to matter as much as it would maybe 
     
     
  
 
 
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     ► 
     on a larger team and I'm working on 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:19:30
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     pretty simple things and also like you 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:19:32
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     know I just tend to follow the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:19:33
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     conventions of the system I'm in so like 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:19:35
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     I'm very familiar with the way Apple 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:19:37
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     does things with the cocoa API is and 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:19:39
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     the way they're structure and kind of 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:19:40
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     the the patterns that they encourage and 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:19:42
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     that they use themselves and I try to 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:19:44
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     structure the rest of my app that way to 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:19:45
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     kind of mesh well and and kind of mimic 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:19:48
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     the structure of the cocoa api's beyond 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:19:51
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     that I don't really do any kind of other 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:19:53
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     fancy structure all right 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:19:55
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     next I wanted to bring up a question 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:19:57
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     from Luke Allen whose ass 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:19:59
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     about the viability and landscape for 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:20:01
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     new indie developers to break into the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:20:03
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     ► 
     iOS and Mac marketplace in 2016 now this 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:20:06
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     ► 
     is obviously a big and kind of broad and 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:20:09
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     kind of squishy feelings question so 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:20:11
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     it's a little hard to answer like you 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:20:12
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     know can do Indies break-in now to me I 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:20:15
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     think all you have to do to answer this 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:20:18
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     ► 
     question is to take a look at your phone 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:20:20
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     ► 
     homescreen and what apps are on it today 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:20:22
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     ► 
     and then think back or if you if you 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:20:25
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     ► 
     have old screenshots even better look 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:20:27
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     ► 
     back at what your home's what your home 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:20:28
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     screen look like three years ago and how 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:20:31
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     many of the apps that you that you're 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:20:32
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     ► 
     using today were out three years ago I 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:20:34
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     ► 
     bet it's not that many you know that is 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:20:37
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     ► 
     even ruling out like apples built in 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:20:39
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     ► 
     apps or anything which even they have 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:20:40
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     ► 
     changed quite a bit 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:20:41
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     ► 
     but the fact is that yes this is a a 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:20:45
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     ► 
     large and saturated and old market 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:20:47
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     ► 
     however there's always churn in every 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:20:50
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     ► 
     software market there's always room for 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:20:52
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     ► 
     something new and it isn't always easy 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:20:55
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     ► 
     to break in but there's always a spot 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:20:57
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     ► 
     somewhere in the market like you know 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:20:59
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     ► 
     simple things like that you think would 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:21:01
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     be very very crowded like notes and 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:21:04
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     ► 
     weather apps like you know we bring up 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:21:05
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     ► 
     these examples a lot I mean there's 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:21:07
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     ► 
     always a market for a new notes or 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:21:09
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     ► 
     weather app if you can do something a 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:21:11
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     little bit differently some people will 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:21:13
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     ► 
     like yours some people won't and that's 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:21:15
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     ► 
     okay there's a room it's a very very big 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:21:17
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     ► 
     market lots of people use it not 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:21:19
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     ► 
     everybody wants the same things out of 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:21:21
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     ► 
     every app and a lot of times people just 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:21:23
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     ► 
     kind of get tired of what they've what 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:21:24
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     ► 
     they're using and just want to look at 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:21:25
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     ► 
     something new so there's always room it 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:21:27
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     ► 
     is oh it is getting harder to find that 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:21:30
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     ► 
     room and there's more people vying for 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:21:31
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     ► 
     it however there is always room for new 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:21:34
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     ► 
     things to break into the market yes and 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:21:36
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     ► 
     I think the key thing when you're if I 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:21:39
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     ► 
     was if I was a new Indies trying to like 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:21:42
     ◼
      
     ► 
     source if I decided one day that that 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:21:44
     ◼
      
     ► 
     was what I wanted to do I want to be an 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:21:46
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     ► 
     independent software developer I would 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:21:48
     ◼
      
     ► 
     be very careful about aid like my mood 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:21:53
     ◼
      
     ► 
     check my motivations make sure I'm doing 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:21:54
     ◼
      
     ► 
     it for the right reasons and like 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:21:56
     ◼
      
     ► 
     understand how terrible of a job it is 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:21:58
     ◼
      
     ► 
     and not just sort of get which I can say 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:22:02
     ◼
      
     ► 
     a bit jokingly but quite honestly as 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:22:04
     ◼
      
     ► 
     well like it is not the it is it is not 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:22:08
     ◼
      
     ► 
     like a glamorous lifestyle being an 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:22:10
     ◼
      
     ► 
     indie software developer that there's 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:22:12
     ◼
      
     ► 
     only some upsides Oh 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:22:13
     ◼
      
     ► 
     being your own boss and being able to 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:22:15
     ◼
      
     ► 
     work on things that you think are cool 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:22:16
     ◼
      
     ► 
     but there's a lot of really not-so-great 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:22:19
     ◼
      
     ► 
     things some things that you give up from 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:22:20
     ◼
      
     ► 
     working for in a corporate job or in a 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:22:22
     ◼
      
     ► 
     consulting job so you know you there's a 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:22:25
     ◼
      
     ► 
     definite some trade-offs make sure 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:22:26
     ◼
      
     ► 
     you're doing for the right reason and 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:22:27
     ◼
      
     ► 
     then making sure that you're have you 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:22:30
     ◼
      
     ► 
     having realistic expectations about what 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:22:32
     ◼
      
     ► 
     you are hoping to accomplish you know is 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:22:36
     ◼
      
     ► 
     it that your goal is to in you know just 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:22:39
     ◼
      
     ► 
     have a side income from your Biff from 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:22:41
     ◼
      
     ► 
     your indie work it's gonna be your 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:22:44
     ◼
      
     ► 
     entire income and understand that those 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:22:47
     ◼
      
     ► 
     different levels are going to require 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:22:48
     ◼
      
     ► 
     different amounts differing amounts of 
     
     
  
 
 
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     time and luck and effort and be careful 
     
     
  
 
 
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     about what you're going after 
     
     
  
 
 
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     you know like sort of like you said like 
     
     
  
 
 
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     some apps there's a natural trendiness 
     
     
  
 
 
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     to them and so it makes sense to get 
     
     
  
 
 
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     into something and you know be some of 
     
     
  
 
 
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     that's similar anywhere there's a lot is 
     
     
  
 
 
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     a lot of churn like a weather app is 
     
     
  
 
 
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     something sort of comes to mind there's 
     
     
  
 
 
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     something where there's there's this 
     
     
  
 
 
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     natural like I don't know everyone just 
     
     
  
 
 
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     thinks of something differently and so 
     
     
  
 
 
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     you can have a unique take on something 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and that has has an opportunity to be 
     
     
  
 
 
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     successful and it also say be really 
     
     
  
 
 
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     careful about taking on projects that 
     
     
  
 
 
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     are very complicated to start with like 
     
     
  
 
 
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     you either need to be have some if you 
     
     
  
 
 
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     have some like really deep and 
     
     
  
 
 
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     interesting new approach to something 
     
     
  
 
 
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     like I think of someone like Chris Lucio 
     
     
  
 
 
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     with all of his audio processing stuff 
     
     
  
 
 
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     that he does like he he has made a 
     
     
  
 
 
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     business of making software because of a 
     
     
  
 
 
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     really specific skill set that he has 
     
     
  
 
 
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     that he really is good at audio 
     
     
  
 
 
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     processing and so he can make a business 
     
     
  
 
 
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     because not a lot of people can do that 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and so if you have a skill like that 
     
     
  
 
 
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     like run with that if you have some 
     
     
  
 
 
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     background knowledge or some domain 
     
     
  
 
 
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     expertise like go for that and and 
     
     
  
 
 
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     pursue it and but if you don't don't get 
     
     
  
 
 
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     sucked into the trap of trying to like 
     
     
  
 
 
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     build this grand big very like it's just 
     
     
  
 
 
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     like this existing thing but like way 
     
     
  
 
 
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     bigger and more complicated yeah that 
     
     
  
 
 
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     never breaks that's gonna really come 
     
     
  
 
 
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     back to bite you especially if it's just 
     
     
  
 
 
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     involved like oh it's gonna be a to 
     
     
  
 
 
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     sinking and it's gonna have all these 
     
     
  
 
 
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     other stuff and like that would be 
     
     
  
 
 
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     something I'd stay away from and 
     
     
  
 
 
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     especially to start with like 
     
     
  
 
 
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     start simple start with something you 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:24:27
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     enter you enjoy something that if you 
     
     
  
 
 
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     made the app and no one downloaded it 
     
     
  
 
 
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     but you had it and could use it every 
     
     
  
 
 
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     day that you would be happy and that's 
     
     
  
 
 
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     probably a good place to start all right 
     
     
  
 
 
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     the next question I wanted to address is 
     
     
  
 
 
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     from Phil Koury who's asking about unit 
     
     
  
 
 
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     testing for the one-man shop is it 
     
     
  
 
 
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     worthwhile and if so where to start so 
     
     
  
 
 
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     unit testing is a midcity epidemic topic 
     
     
  
 
 
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     for me as it is something that I've 
     
     
  
 
 
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     never done so I can speak to it only in 
     
     
  
 
 
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     the theoretical rather than in the 
     
     
  
 
 
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     practical experience type unit testing 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:25:05
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     is something that I have used it in the 
     
     
  
 
 
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     past like on different projects but not 
     
     
  
 
 
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     no never mind II work and I would say 
     
     
  
 
 
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     unit testing in my experience is useful 
     
     
  
 
 
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     for one of two reasons 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:25:18
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     it's either useful because the cost of 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:25:23
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     messing something up is very high so if 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:25:27
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     you know if you're someone who's writing 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:25:29
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     software that you know is used to 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:25:33
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     control a plane it's flying through the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:25:35
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     air you need some unit testing like you 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:25:37
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     ► 
     need some serious you know quality 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:25:39
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     ► 
     assurance kind of process because if you 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:25:41
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     mess up that really like like genuinely 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:25:45
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     ► 
     bad things can happen not just like bad 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:25:46
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     things like my server went down for a 
     
     
  
 
 
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     few hours like you know life and death 
     
     
  
 
 
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     kind of situation so if you're if you're 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:25:52
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     in a situation where the cost of having 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:25:54
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     ► 
     him having a bug having a mistake is 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:25:56
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     truly you know significant absolutely 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and the other situation where in my 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:26:02
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     experience unit testing is helpful is I 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:26:04
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     know like there are some some developers 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:26:06
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     I've worked with over the years for whom 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:26:08
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     ► 
     like developer unit testing is the way 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:26:10
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     ► 
     they think of development that they 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:26:12
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     ► 
     create you know sort of like the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:26:13
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     test-driven development approach or 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:26:15
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     ► 
     saying like here's this problem I'm 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:26:16
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     going to code a test that will you know 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:26:21
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     ► 
     be global pass once I've solved that 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:26:23
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     problem and then they go and solve the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:26:25
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     problem and it's just a like a construct 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:26:28
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     that is helpful for the development 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:26:29
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     ► 
     process and if that's helpful for you 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:26:32
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     then like you're probably you know if 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:26:34
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     you're that kind of person like I'm not 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:26:35
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     that person I like 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:26:37
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     ► 
     maintaining unit tests is one of the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:26:39
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     things that it like destroys my soul 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:26:41
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     ► 
     more than anything else in it because I 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:26:44
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     ► 
     feel like I'm building the app twice and 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:26:46
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     ► 
     I hate that feeling I what I value most 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:26:50
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     in my development is being fast and 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:26:52
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     efficient and um not doing a lot of 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:26:56
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     ► 
     ceremony around the development like I 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:26:58
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     ► 
     just want to get into Xcode I want to 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:26:59
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     you know write the codes and ship them 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and unit testing because like I'm 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:27:03
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     building two apps and one of them no one 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:27:05
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     will ever see so that's my approach to 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:27:07
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     ► 
     unit testing yeah I'm pretty much the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:27:09
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     ► 
     same I think if I had to write unit 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:27:11
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     ► 
     tests for everything I did I would stop 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:27:14
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     programming all right one very last 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:27:17
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     thing very quick thing here from Pete 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:27:19
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     who asked things you now know that you 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:27:22
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     ► 
     wish you could have told your younger 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:27:23
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     develop ourselves when just starting out 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:27:25
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     ► 
     so we only have time for maybe one each 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:27:27
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     so my one is going to be that your 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:27:30
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     actions in your app that you do to your 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:27:32
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     customers are way more important in a 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:27:34
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     competitive landscape than what your 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:27:36
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     ► 
     competitors are doing it's like if you 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:27:38
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     ► 
     if your app already has people using it 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:27:41
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     it is yours you it like they are yours 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:27:44
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     to lose people don't usually flee to 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:27:47
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     other apps because of some competitors 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:27:50
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     feature that attracted them over there 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:27:51
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     they flee to other apps because your app 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:27:54
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     ► 
     is sucking in some way you're neglecting 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:27:55
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     something you're not addressing 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:27:56
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     something you're not facing something 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:27:57
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     ► 
     you're being too slow to to adapt 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:27:59
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     something new whatever the case may be 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:28:01
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     your customers usually yours to lose and 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:28:04
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     ► 
     so what you do is way more important 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:28:06
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     than what your competitors do absolutely 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:28:08
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     ► 
     I think my best advice that I would give 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:28:12
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     my younger self is that nobody has it 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:28:15
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     ► 
     all together and this is most I guess to 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:28:19
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     address this sort of like the imposter 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:28:20
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     syndrome kind of a problem that early on 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:28:23
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     ► 
     in my career I struggled with a lot and 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:28:25
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     ► 
     I still do in some ways but it's this 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:28:28
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     it's so easy to look at someone else's 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:28:30
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     ► 
     output and judged just like judge the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:28:33
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     output not the process that it took for 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:28:35
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     them to get there because it's easy to 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:28:37
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     look at the output and say wow look at 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:28:39
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     ► 
     all like this is perfect it's like you 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:28:41
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     know as though it was somehow like born 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:28:42
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     like it was birthed magically into the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:28:44
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     world it's just this perfect process 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:28:46
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     that was effortless and without problem 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:28:48
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     it's like when the reality 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:28:50
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     we all make mistakes we all have like 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:28:53
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     the development process is often messy 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:28:55
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     and uncomfortable and we have lots of 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:28:56
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     failures some of those are public some 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:28:58
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     of those are private but everyone nobody 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:29:01
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     has it all together we're all just kind 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:29:03
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     of like fumbling our way through and the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:29:06
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     the more I was able to wrap my head 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:29:09
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     around that and be comfortable with that 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:29:11
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     reality I did more honestly that I was 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:29:14
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     just able to make better software 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:29:15
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     because I was less worried about 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:29:17
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     ► 
     comparing myself to this impossible 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:29:19
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     ► 
     standard that I imagined other people 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:29:23
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     ► 
     were living up to and just did my best 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:29:25
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     and that we worked there worked out a 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:29:28
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     lot better well said all right thank you 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:29:31
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     very much for listening everybody not 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:29:32
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     eight topics in 30 minutes not bad at 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:29:35
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     ► 
     all that's pretty good yeah all right 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:29:36
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     and we will talk to you next week