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00:00:00 ◼   ► we drive the listeners crazy because we

00:00:01 ◼   ► love them I do never cease being

00:00:05 ◼   ► surprised by how bad your spelling is

00:00:07 ◼   ► behind the Saints it seems like it's not

00:00:09 ◼   ► your luck strongest suit

00:00:11 ◼   ► I would say that spelling is is perhaps

00:00:13 ◼   ► perhaps my weakest suit way better at

00:00:16 ◼   ► socializing at big parties probably way

00:00:20 ◼   ► better at skydiving than I am at

00:00:22 ◼   ► spelling my method of spelling words is

00:00:25 ◼   ► just typed quickly right just type

00:00:27 ◼   ► quickly whatever comes into your head

00:00:28 ◼   ► first there what I'm about to say of

00:00:31 ◼   ► course of course as a former teacher I

00:00:34 ◼   ► would never endorse let students do what

00:00:36 ◼   ► I'm about to say that I I did when I was

00:00:38 ◼   ► a student but when I was back in like

00:00:41 ◼   ► high school and middle school I would

00:00:43 ◼   ► cheat the hell out of spelling tests how

00:00:47 ◼   ► do you would you check one of the years

00:00:49 ◼   ► I had a homeroom class that then rolled

00:00:54 ◼   ► over into an English class and so I

00:00:57 ◼   ► would I would be able to just write very

00:01:00 ◼   ► lightly in pencil some of the the

00:01:02 ◼   ► spelling words that I knew were going to

00:01:03 ◼   ► be on the test or like the likely

00:01:04 ◼   ► spelling words that were going to be on

00:01:06 ◼   ► the test or it concealed them somewhere

00:01:08 ◼   ► else you know I think most industrious

00:01:10 ◼   ► kids now if you really put your mind to

00:01:11 ◼   ► it it's not super hard to cheat if

00:01:13 ◼   ► you're not in a standardized test

00:01:15 ◼   ► environment and there's any kind of

00:01:17 ◼   ► regularity to it but here's the thing

00:01:20 ◼   ► the reason I felt no guilt about

00:01:23 ◼   ► cheating is because I could only cheat

00:01:27 ◼   ► my way to like a 50 percent score right

00:01:32 ◼   ► if I wasn't cheating I would get like a

00:01:35 ◼   ► 20 percent score on the spelling it

00:01:37 ◼   ► would have been atrocious but if I had

00:01:40 ◼   ► cheated my way into like oh wow I got a

00:01:43 ◼   ► got an 80 percent this week it would be

00:01:45 ◼   ► way too obvious right there like I would

00:01:47 ◼   ► have been caught for cheating

00:01:48 ◼   ► immediately because it would be so

00:01:50 ◼   ► obvious that there's no way this kid

00:01:51 ◼   ► actually did it so I felt like I cheated

00:01:54 ◼   ► myself into a less bad failing grade to

00:01:57 ◼   ► try to not entirely pull down my grade

00:02:01 ◼   ► average for the class on a whole so that

00:02:03 ◼   ► was my history with spelling in school

00:02:06 ◼   ► [Applause]

00:02:07 ◼   ► normally between you and I there is a

00:02:10 ◼   ► one-way flow of

00:02:13 ◼   ► pictures of cute puppies I often send

00:02:16 ◼   ► you pictures of Audrey and Lulu in

00:02:18 ◼   ► action and stuff like that mm-hmm

00:02:20 ◼   ► but everything has changed you have been

00:02:23 ◼   ► sending me videos and pictures of you

00:02:26 ◼   ► playing with a super super cute dog what

00:02:29 ◼   ► is going on tell people what is

00:02:32 ◼   ► happening in your world

00:02:33 ◼   ► what is happening in my world is not

00:02:35 ◼   ► what the listeners are probably

00:02:36 ◼   ► imagining I have not gotten a dog the

00:02:39 ◼   ► gray family has no intention to get a

00:02:41 ◼   ► dog but we make decisions not promises

00:02:47 ◼   ► for our future selves but you know for

00:02:49 ◼   ► the moment we've decided that we're not

00:02:50 ◼   ► gonna get a dog hmm but but we talked

00:02:55 ◼   ► our way into dog sitting our neighbors

00:02:59 ◼   ► new puppy I have been like it like a

00:03:01 ◼   ► stay at home doggy dad for the past week

00:03:05 ◼   ► taking care of a little Bulldog breed

00:03:08 ◼   ► puppy who is very cute and I feel like

00:03:11 ◼   ► someone who has a baby and then can't

00:03:14 ◼   ► help but just send photos of the baby to

00:03:17 ◼   ► everyone in the world I think I have

00:03:19 ◼   ► sent photos and videos of this little

00:03:21 ◼   ► dog to lots of people lots of people

00:03:24 ◼   ► like on social boundaries it's like

00:03:26 ◼   ► should I really be sending this person

00:03:28 ◼   ► the picture of the dog like I'm what the

00:03:29 ◼   ► dog is so cute like what I can't not

00:03:31 ◼   ► send this photograph so yeah there's

00:03:34 ◼   ► been there's been an exodus of dog

00:03:37 ◼   ► photos and videos from my phone to many

00:03:39 ◼   ► other people so I can see how your wife

00:03:42 ◼   ► would get herself into dog sitting I

00:03:45 ◼   ► cannot see how you would have agreed to

00:03:47 ◼   ► this it seems like that it seems like

00:03:50 ◼   ► something you wouldn't do like like you

00:03:52 ◼   ► know you're a nice guy and right stuff

00:03:55 ◼   ► but I can't say you agreeing to dog shit

00:03:57 ◼   ► like someone else's dog okay so okay I

00:04:01 ◼   ► have to ask you this because when I have

00:04:04 ◼   ► sent out these pictures to people I have

00:04:07 ◼   ► gotten universal feedback which is

00:04:09 ◼   ► exactly exactly what you're expressing

00:04:10 ◼   ► which is I don't understand why or how

00:04:14 ◼   ► you've agreed to this and to me I feel

00:04:16 ◼   ► like my only response is what do you

00:04:18 ◼   ► mean why would someone agreed like I can

00:04:21 ◼   ► barely understand like what what do you

00:04:22 ◼   ► think is the reason that I wouldn't do

00:04:24 ◼   ► this well

00:04:26 ◼   ► it's such an encroachment upon your time

00:04:30 ◼   ► and your space for something that is not

00:04:33 ◼   ► yours and like I know you've been

00:04:36 ◼   ► involved it's not just like you've just

00:04:37 ◼   ► been keeping an eye on it you've been

00:04:38 ◼   ► like training it you know trying to make

00:04:42 ◼   ► it a better dog a better puppy very

00:04:44 ◼   ► important it sounds like it's been you

00:04:46 ◼   ► know and I know it's encroached on your

00:04:48 ◼   ► ability to do other things in your

00:04:49 ◼   ► normal course of your day you've made it

00:04:51 ◼   ► sound like it's you know becoming real

00:04:53 ◼   ► a big thing in your life for whatever

00:04:56 ◼   ► period you're doing this for and that

00:04:58 ◼   ► just seems like something that you would

00:04:59 ◼   ► be reluctant to agree to you know you

00:05:02 ◼   ► you are so you know organized and set in

00:05:06 ◼   ► your ways and like to organize your time

00:05:09 ◼   ► and you're quite like a self-contained

00:05:12 ◼   ► unit this is drew like you don't seem

00:05:15 ◼   ► like someone who does lots and lots of

00:05:16 ◼   ► things for the benefit of other people

00:05:19 ◼   ► and yet this dog-sitting thing goes

00:05:21 ◼   ► against that and I get you get like you

00:05:23 ◼   ► know some fun times and cuteness out of

00:05:25 ◼   ► it but I wouldn't have thought that

00:05:26 ◼   ► would have been enough to have overcome

00:05:27 ◼   ► all your other traits I guess I can see

00:05:31 ◼   ► that on the other hand puppies are great

00:05:34 ◼   ► yeah my parents mostly let it but I

00:05:36 ◼   ► helped out with the training of Lucy my

00:05:38 ◼   ► parents dog when she was a little puppy

00:05:40 ◼   ► and that was that was the first time I

00:05:41 ◼   ► ever had any experience doing formal dog

00:05:45 ◼   ► training and so like I found that a

00:05:48 ◼   ► really interesting experience and as

00:05:50 ◼   ► I've mentioned many times on the podcast

00:05:51 ◼   ► like a helpful experience and looking

00:05:53 ◼   ► back now you do talk about that Cesar

00:05:55 ◼   ► Millan show a lot don't you and like you

00:05:57 ◼   ► have got a bit of an interest in dog

00:05:58 ◼   ► training now I think about it

00:05:59 ◼   ► yeah like actually we can we can revisit

00:06:01 ◼   ► that in a moment but but so like this

00:06:04 ◼   ► this to me is now like another little

00:06:06 ◼   ► step up of the ratchet where it's like

00:06:09 ◼   ► oh now there's a dog that I have total

00:06:11 ◼   ► responsibility for for huge portions of

00:06:13 ◼   ► the day and so that that's a very

00:06:15 ◼   ► different level of behavior training and

00:06:17 ◼   ► I like I personally just find that very

00:06:19 ◼   ► interesting but but I will say you are

00:06:22 ◼   ► 100% right when you talk about an

00:06:24 ◼   ► encroachment into my life because in the

00:06:27 ◼   ► in the main room of our house the room

00:06:29 ◼   ► where we have the kitchen and I like a

00:06:31 ◼   ► couch in space to watch TV the main

00:06:33 ◼   ► living area of the house 40% of that

00:06:35 ◼   ► floor space is now taken up by a doggy

00:06:39 ◼   ► pen that we

00:06:40 ◼   ► not for this dog dog sitting which

00:06:43 ◼   ► contains within it a doggy bed and many

00:06:45 ◼   ► doggy toys we also got a harness for the

00:06:49 ◼   ► little dog and leash we've purchased

00:06:52 ◼   ► many many things for this popper

00:06:55 ◼   ► so just oh yeah oh my god yeah my

00:07:00 ◼   ► commitment is this are you just doing

00:07:01 ◼   ► something temporarily while they went to

00:07:03 ◼   ► like Europe for a week or is this while

00:07:05 ◼   ► they go to their job everyday you've

00:07:06 ◼   ► said I will care for your dog during the

00:07:08 ◼   ► day while you do your normal job every

00:07:10 ◼   ► day of your life so basically I'm taking

00:07:12 ◼   ► care of the dog during the day this is

00:07:14 ◼   ► what we've signed up for is the puppy is

00:07:17 ◼   ► very very young he's about 10 weeks old

00:07:20 ◼   ► now what's his name I mean for the

00:07:23 ◼   ► privacy sake for the dog I don't want to

00:07:24 ◼   ► give his name that's true that's true

00:07:26 ◼   ► safety grey safety yeah I'm gonna call

00:07:29 ◼   ► him mr. chompers because he chomps on

00:07:32 ◼   ► absolutely everything and that's that is

00:07:34 ◼   ► the number one behavior that we're

00:07:36 ◼   ► working on right now is that mr.

00:07:37 ◼   ► chompers has to get less Chompy is mr.

00:07:39 ◼   ► chompers chomping your personal

00:07:40 ◼   ► possessions

00:07:41 ◼   ► no no he's very good about that actually

00:07:43 ◼   ► mr. chompers favorite thing to chomp our

00:07:45 ◼   ► hands I would count your hands as your

00:07:48 ◼   ► personal possessions but I see what you

00:07:49 ◼   ► made how they're just they're just part

00:07:51 ◼   ► of the meat sack that I live in that's a

00:07:54 ◼   ► very different thing but yes and mr.

00:07:56 ◼   ► chompers we're doing lots of redirection

00:07:58 ◼   ► you know you chew on toys and it's great

00:08:01 ◼   ► to see him learn over time that can

00:08:04 ◼   ► change his behavior like I find that

00:08:06 ◼   ► very rewarding I was like the most proud

00:08:08 ◼   ► father in the world the very first day

00:08:10 ◼   ► when he went on his own and picked up

00:08:12 ◼   ► one of his chew toys instead of having

00:08:14 ◼   ► to be directed towards the chew toy like

00:08:16 ◼   ► this is very very young puppy behavior

00:08:18 ◼   ► where they're just you know yeah it's

00:08:19 ◼   ► very hard to train them at this stage

00:08:21 ◼   ► but no I'm taking care of him during the

00:08:24 ◼   ► day and I will say that I suspect right

00:08:26 ◼   ► that we were like angels from heaven

00:08:28 ◼   ► descended upon these neighbors of ours

00:08:30 ◼   ► with their dog because they had taken a

00:08:33 ◼   ► bunch of time off work to be around mr.

00:08:36 ◼   ► chompers and then they had to go back to

00:08:38 ◼   ► work and they were trying to arrange

00:08:39 ◼   ► like some things with their other family

00:08:41 ◼   ► and like daycare Scituate and like a

00:08:43 ◼   ► whole bunch of other stuff and then we

00:08:45 ◼   ► showed up like hey I work from home I

00:08:47 ◼   ► couldn't look after mr. chompers ed is

00:08:49 ◼   ► like and I'm more more than happy yank

00:08:53 ◼   ► nay

00:08:54 ◼   ► I needed to help out with the training

00:08:55 ◼   ► while he's a little puppy for a while so

00:08:57 ◼   ► but how did you get out of this now like

00:08:59 ◼   ► at what point do you say okay I'm not

00:09:02 ◼   ► having a dog anymore have you put any

00:09:04 ◼   ► kind of expiration date on this

00:09:06 ◼   ► agreement or yeah the implied expiration

00:09:08 ◼   ► date is just when he's old enough to

00:09:10 ◼   ► actually be able to be left alone for

00:09:12 ◼   ► some period of time like he's just he's

00:09:14 ◼   ► he's too young as a puppy to be on its

00:09:16 ◼   ► own all day so like they have to do

00:09:19 ◼   ► something with him and so and so this

00:09:22 ◼   ► way like he doesn't have to go you know

00:09:24 ◼   ► into like a doggy daycare facility for

00:09:26 ◼   ► the day I can I can just go I can just

00:09:29 ◼   ► go pick him up bring him to my place

00:09:30 ◼   ► drop him off and then and then have this

00:09:35 ◼   ► little puppy be essentially an

00:09:36 ◼   ► all-consuming focus of my life for the

00:09:38 ◼   ► entire day it's it's exhausting it's

00:09:39 ◼   ► genuinely exhausted is there any concern

00:09:41 ◼   ► you're gonna get into one of these like

00:09:43 ◼   ► cliched sort of surrogate mother type

00:09:45 ◼   ► positions when they say okay it's time

00:09:47 ◼   ► for us to have our dog back and you're

00:09:48 ◼   ► gonna be like your dog I'm the one who's

00:09:52 ◼   ► brought it up and told it to tourism no

00:09:55 ◼   ► no but see see this is this is the thing

00:09:57 ◼   ► that nobody understands right this is

00:09:59 ◼   ► the best way to have a dog is the

00:10:02 ◼   ► ability to give him back at the end of

00:10:05 ◼   ► the day or like this weekend right we

00:10:07 ◼   ► don't have we don't have mr. chompers

00:10:08 ◼   ► this weekend because he is with his

00:10:11 ◼   ► actual parents he's like oh wow my wife

00:10:14 ◼   ► and I now have like look at this look at

00:10:15 ◼   ► all of this space we have we can

00:10:16 ◼   ► collapse the whole the whole dog pen

00:10:18 ◼   ► situation we can put it off to the side

00:10:20 ◼   ► we can just relax it's great like I feel

00:10:23 ◼   ► like this is this is what this is what

00:10:24 ◼   ► Brady grandparents are always talking

00:10:26 ◼   ► about right with their like Oh grandkids

00:10:28 ◼   ► are better than real kids because you

00:10:30 ◼   ► get to give the grandchildren back but

00:10:32 ◼   ► you also get to spend some time with the

00:10:34 ◼   ► grandkids but do you find yourself

00:10:35 ◼   ► sitting around ever thinking wow I wish

00:10:38 ◼   ► mr. chompers was here we do wonder what

00:10:40 ◼   ► mr. chompers is up to right yeah I

00:10:41 ◼   ► wonder what he's doing right now we've

00:10:43 ◼   ► definitely reviewed mr. chompers videos

00:10:45 ◼   ► that we've taken and photographs because

00:10:47 ◼   ► Brady at this age they grow up so fast

00:10:50 ◼   ► like he's legitimately bigger every day

00:10:51 ◼   ► and now that I will I will not have seen

00:10:54 ◼   ► him for a long weekend when I see mr.

00:10:56 ◼   ► chompers tomorrow he's gonna he's gonna

00:10:58 ◼   ► be he's gonna be so much bigger already

00:10:59 ◼   ► you have to give to cherish the time

00:11:01 ◼   ► that you have with them when they're

00:11:02 ◼   ► young are you dealing with Poe and we oh

00:11:05 ◼   ► yeah yeah we have in the

00:11:07 ◼   ► house yeah we're doing pedal pads like

00:11:09 ◼   ► he's not he's not potty trained yet so

00:11:12 ◼   ► we're doing the piddle pads on the floor

00:11:15 ◼   ► for now so we have that all we have that

00:11:17 ◼   ► laid out a little dog goes through

00:11:19 ◼   ► mountains of Biddle pads so yeah that's

00:11:23 ◼   ► that's it yeah you had to pick up a /

00:11:25 ◼   ► yeah yeah I picked up poo that's what

00:11:27 ◼   ► you do with dogs oh man I would I will

00:11:30 ◼   ► pay you 50 pounds for a video of you

00:11:34 ◼   ► picking up a poo why I just can't

00:11:38 ◼   ► imagine you doing it we want one of

00:11:41 ◼   ► those little dog poo bag dispensers in

00:11:44 ◼   ► the shape of a bone right so you can

00:11:45 ◼   ► pull out a little dog poop bag yeah yeah

00:11:47 ◼   ► you know what I'm talking about the kind

00:11:48 ◼   ► in cross yeah so yeah we've just got one

00:11:51 ◼   ► of those

00:11:51 ◼   ► yeah I take I take mr. chompers out for

00:11:53 ◼   ► walks we're trying to train him to go to

00:11:55 ◼   ► the bathroom outside and say yeah you

00:11:57 ◼   ► pick up poo that that's what you do with

00:11:58 ◼   ► with fill dogs

00:11:59 ◼   ► if tagine have to organize and mr.

00:12:01 ◼   ► chompers Audrey playdate

00:12:03 ◼   ► oh yeah does she do well with other dogs

00:12:04 ◼   ► depends on the dog hmm she's quite

00:12:06 ◼   ► territorial but away from home she's

00:12:08 ◼   ► pretty friendly with all dogs in her

00:12:10 ◼   ► Park only certain dogs are allowed right

00:12:12 ◼   ► of course of course I forget that Audrey

00:12:14 ◼   ► does own that Park it is it does say on

00:12:17 ◼   ► away from her away from home she's

00:12:19 ◼   ► pretty cool with old dogs and she gets

00:12:22 ◼   ► used to any dog within about a minute

00:12:23 ◼   ► well you know socializing is an

00:12:24 ◼   ► important part of a puppy life but this

00:12:26 ◼   ► is absolutely not moved your own

00:12:28 ◼   ► personal needle for getting a dog at

00:12:30 ◼   ► some point oh you know I can see at some

00:12:33 ◼   ► point in the future we get a dog I don't

00:12:35 ◼   ► see it in the near future for a whole

00:12:37 ◼   ► variety of reasons and and again

00:12:40 ◼   ► everybody says to me they're like oh you

00:12:42 ◼   ► know oh you you've adopted somebody

00:12:43 ◼   ► else's dog essentially during the day

00:12:45 ◼   ► like you're gonna you're gonna have a

00:12:46 ◼   ► dog within weeks and and my my view on

00:12:48 ◼   ► this is the exact opposite we are in

00:12:50 ◼   ► fact satiating our doggy needs right we

00:12:54 ◼   ► are not amplifying doggy native we'll

00:12:57 ◼   ► say once you're mr. chompers excess is

00:12:59 ◼   ► no longer on tap you may feel

00:13:02 ◼   ► differently

00:13:04 ◼   ► hot stoppers I don't think we've got to

00:13:07 ◼   ► the endgame yet but I have now activated

00:13:10 ◼   ► the section of the hello Internet

00:13:13 ◼   ► patreon page so that any existing

00:13:16 ◼   ► patrons and any future patrons

00:13:19 ◼   ► can provide a postal address like they

00:13:22 ◼   ► can fill in a postal address section now

00:13:24 ◼   ► and if they decide to do so it's a

00:13:27 ◼   ► voluntary thing obviously but if they

00:13:29 ◼   ► decide to do so they will be going into

00:13:31 ◼   ► a specially devised semi random ballot

00:13:35 ◼   ► and I will occasionally be sending out

00:13:38 ◼   ► random hot stoppers to people and they

00:13:42 ◼   ► would arrive unexpectedly like a like a

00:13:44 ◼   ► gift from Santa Claus I will not be

00:13:46 ◼   ► emailing or informing people that they

00:13:48 ◼   ► are coming right

00:13:49 ◼   ► partly because I like the surprise mmm

00:13:51 ◼   ► and partly because if I did do that and

00:13:53 ◼   ► then for some reason someone's gets lost

00:13:55 ◼   ► in the post right I get back to that

00:13:57 ◼   ► original problem that I'm trying to

00:13:58 ◼   ► avoid administration so you would not

00:14:01 ◼   ► know it's coming right now we get back

00:14:02 ◼   ► to fulfillment problems yeah exactly

00:14:04 ◼   ► even though it's like a free gift people

00:14:06 ◼   ► will still get upset if I email them and

00:14:07 ◼   ► say you've got one coming hmm and it

00:14:10 ◼   ► doesn't arrive so I'm not doing that I

00:14:11 ◼   ► think that's great

00:14:12 ◼   ► remind me brainy there's a thing I want

00:14:14 ◼   ► to talk to you after the show after

00:14:15 ◼   ► we're done recording about about that

00:14:18 ◼   ► about what to do with X I've been

00:14:19 ◼   ► thinking some learn something along

00:14:20 ◼   ► those lines but it you had to say it was

00:14:22 ◼   ► very interesting reading through the

00:14:23 ◼   ► feedback I always really liked it to see

00:14:25 ◼   ► all all the feedback in the reddit and

00:14:26 ◼   ► people coming up with ideas about what

00:14:28 ◼   ► to do I'm gonna stay away from any

00:14:29 ◼   ► specific solutions right now but what I

00:14:33 ◼   ► will say my general feeling reading

00:14:36 ◼   ► through people's ideas is I was aware I

00:14:38 ◼   ► was aware of myself getting pulled

00:14:41 ◼   ► toward and sort of repelled away from

00:14:45 ◼   ► two kinds of ideas I really liked all

00:14:47 ◼   ► the ideas that people had that were just

00:14:50 ◼   ► fun ideas like some people came up with

00:14:53 ◼   ► some fun possibly impractical and maybe

00:14:55 ◼   ► not really doable ideas but just like

00:14:57 ◼   ► fun things what could you do with a

00:14:59 ◼   ► thousand hot Stoppers right and people

00:15:01 ◼   ► came up with great ideas and I just

00:15:03 ◼   ► found it interesting that even though my

00:15:04 ◼   ► question was help us solve this economic

00:15:09 ◼   ► problem last time I found myself

00:15:11 ◼   ► repelled away a little bit from the

00:15:14 ◼   ► actual solutions to this problem like

00:15:16 ◼   ► there were a couple of really good

00:15:17 ◼   ► write-ups where people were going

00:15:18 ◼   ► through like oh here here's how you can

00:15:20 ◼   ► solve this problem in in a in a very

00:15:22 ◼   ► efficient way and just thought no I

00:15:24 ◼   ► think these are these are whimsical hot

00:15:26 ◼   ► Stoppers I agree I think they should be

00:15:28 ◼   ► used in some kind of fun way I also

00:15:32 ◼   ► think a lot of

00:15:33 ◼   ► the suggestions I read indicated to me

00:15:35 ◼   ► that people hadn't really understood the

00:15:38 ◼   ► problem mmm and they were saying I don't

00:15:40 ◼   ► know this is it this is an easy problem

00:15:41 ◼   ► just like set this price and do this and

00:15:44 ◼   ► organize this distribution person and

00:15:46 ◼   ► like they just then outlined a solution

00:15:48 ◼   ► which was the exact thing I was trying

00:15:50 ◼   ► to avoid which was a whole big thing

00:15:53 ◼   ► right so it's still it's still

00:15:56 ◼   ► unresolved you've got yours now though I

00:15:59 ◼   ► did send you some yes what do you what

00:16:01 ◼   ► are your thoughts now that you've seen

00:16:02 ◼   ► them in the in the real life flesh I

00:16:04 ◼   ► absolutely love that istick they're not

00:16:05 ◼   ► actually made of flesh of course dude

00:16:07 ◼   ► that would be weird not stoppers if that

00:16:12 ◼   ► if a ki fingers I'd opened up an

00:16:16 ◼   ► envelope and gotten some flesh based on

00:16:18 ◼   ► Stoppers I don't think we would

00:16:19 ◼   ► recording this podcast right now I think

00:16:21 ◼   ► our relationship would be terminated

00:16:23 ◼   ► least a chump is would have liked him

00:16:24 ◼   ► you know we can't train mr. jumpers on

00:16:26 ◼   ► human flesh that's the be very much

00:16:29 ◼   ► against the training that we're working

00:16:30 ◼   ► very hard with with him all right

00:16:31 ◼   ► there's no joking about mr. choppers

00:16:33 ◼   ► training sorry it's absolutely serious

00:16:34 ◼   ► no it's great it's great seeing them as

00:16:36 ◼   ► a whole big bunch and I feel like it it

00:16:39 ◼   ► it compels the mind with fun ideas

00:16:42 ◼   ► seeing a big a big bunch of hot stoppers

00:16:44 ◼   ► like that have you actually used one

00:16:45 ◼   ► though to stop hotness I have not yet

00:16:47 ◼   ► used one to stop hotness I promise when

00:16:51 ◼   ► I do when I do use a the first hot

00:16:54 ◼   ► stopper to stop hotness I'll post it up

00:16:57 ◼   ► on on Twitter or on my second channel

00:16:59 ◼   ► somewhere so so people can see the

00:17:00 ◼   ► virgin use of a hot stopper so many

00:17:03 ◼   ► people have responded to it I guess we

00:17:05 ◼   ► should just shout out to all the people

00:17:07 ◼   ► who had something to say about our

00:17:10 ◼   ► discussion last episode about the

00:17:12 ◼   ► astronauts dressing up for Halloween oh

00:17:14 ◼   ► man I've got to say yeah there was a

00:17:16 ◼   ► there was so much feedback about this

00:17:18 ◼   ► and this this is also one of those

00:17:20 ◼   ► moments where even after what we've been

00:17:23 ◼   ► doing this show together now what 10

00:17:24 ◼   ► years I my ability to predict what

00:17:28 ◼   ► people are going to comment on about in

00:17:30 ◼   ► the show I feel like it's not even it's

00:17:32 ◼   ► not even bad it's it's like my

00:17:34 ◼   ► predictions are exactly opposites like

00:17:36 ◼   ► if we if we just reversed with my

00:17:38 ◼   ► predictions would be that would be the

00:17:40 ◼   ► truth and I thought like oh the

00:17:41 ◼   ► astronaut thing like oh no I was

00:17:42 ◼   ► probably going to talk about that and

00:17:43 ◼   ► then I was I was deeply

00:17:45 ◼   ► concerned like out of mind that there's

00:17:46 ◼   ► gonna be so much feedback about the 9/11

00:17:48 ◼   ► memorial it's like there that 9/11

00:17:51 ◼   ► memorial thumbs down I don't like it it

00:17:53 ◼   ► stinks right and it's like feedback a

00:17:55 ◼   ► couple of comments that agree and mostly

00:17:57 ◼   ► silence silence right but astronauts

00:17:59 ◼   ► have dressed up as a minion is like boom

00:18:01 ◼   ► so much feedback so much feedback and I

00:18:05 ◼   ► felt like you were kind of backed into a

00:18:07 ◼   ► corner by a lot of that feedback I mean

00:18:09 ◼   ► I feel like I brought it upon myself to

00:18:12 ◼   ► a degree because I was quite flamboyant

00:18:16 ◼   ► about it you know I was quite

00:18:18 ◼   ► over-the-top in my criticism maybe that

00:18:20 ◼   ► caused some of the pushback but also it

00:18:23 ◼   ► was overwhelmingly people disagree with

00:18:27 ◼   ► my position hmm they disagree that it

00:18:30 ◼   ► was silly and wrong for them to dress up

00:18:33 ◼   ► as spider-man and minions and that that

00:18:36 ◼   ► I read I've read almost all of the

00:18:38 ◼   ► feedback and I have to say having read

00:18:40 ◼   ► all the feedback and absorbed it taken

00:18:42 ◼   ► in what people had to say I'm pretty

00:18:44 ◼   ► much unmoved

00:18:46 ◼   ► from my position I still think I think

00:18:49 ◼   ► all the people responding have maybe

00:18:54 ◼   ► misunderstood that they've definitely

00:18:55 ◼   ► have misunderstood some of my criticism

00:18:57 ◼   ► because I certainly don't really blame

00:18:59 ◼   ► the astronauts for it you know some

00:19:00 ◼   ► people I felt like were going in to bat

00:19:01 ◼   ► for the astronauts but I also think some

00:19:04 ◼   ► of the feedback was maybe a little naive

00:19:07 ◼   ► as to hell NASA works and life on the

00:19:11 ◼   ► space station works and how tightly

00:19:13 ◼   ► controlled the media operation is with

00:19:15 ◼   ► anything necessarily 'td I think people

00:19:17 ◼   ► had in their minds the idea that the

00:19:22 ◼   ► astronauts were sitting around on the

00:19:24 ◼   ► ISS drinking their morning coffee you

00:19:27 ◼   ► know their day off on Halloween thinking

00:19:30 ◼   ► about what to do and came up with the

00:19:32 ◼   ► idea that they were going to do a fun

00:19:34 ◼   ► thing and take a photograph of it and

00:19:37 ◼   ► then then if you are complaining about

00:19:40 ◼   ► them in their Halloween costumes it

00:19:42 ◼   ► seems like you are the world's biggest

00:19:44 ◼   ► Grinch but it's yes like hey these guys

00:19:47 ◼   ► are on a break they should be allowed to

00:19:48 ◼   ► just you know be themselves yes there

00:19:50 ◼   ► was an enormous amount of shouldn't

00:19:52 ◼   ► astronauts be allowed to have spare time

00:19:56 ◼   ► ss and I think like this this really

00:20:00 ◼   ► this really drives to the heart about

00:20:04 ◼   ► what's occurring here like if you if you

00:20:07 ◼   ► think this is a spontaneous outburst

00:20:09 ◼   ► from the astronauts and they were just

00:20:11 ◼   ► doing a thing because it was fun to them

00:20:14 ◼   ► oh yeah no one in the world is going to

00:20:16 ◼   ► have a problem with that but I think you

00:20:18 ◼   ► know even even I who do not follow space

00:20:21 ◼   ► very much know that like their time is

00:20:24 ◼   ► incredibly regulated on there like they

00:20:27 ◼   ► are so scheduled that my you know maybe

00:20:30 ◼   ► I'm wrong but I'd be willing to bet my

00:20:32 ◼   ► entire net worth that those things are

00:20:35 ◼   ► scheduled zaniness right for PR purposes

00:20:38 ◼   ► that that's what it is and and I think

00:20:42 ◼   ► that that that's the the feedback that

00:20:44 ◼   ► you were getting is the idea like if

00:20:46 ◼   ► it's genuine than you you are like a

00:20:48 ◼   ► monster but if it's scheduled zaniness

00:20:50 ◼   ► like that's a very different that's a

00:20:53 ◼   ► very different thing yeah if these

00:20:55 ◼   ► people you know took this stuff up

00:20:57 ◼   ► because they wanted to do something for

00:20:58 ◼   ► their own kids or something mm-hmm okay

00:21:00 ◼   ► if you want to go with that story you

00:21:03 ◼   ► can go with it but like they're there in

00:21:04 ◼   ► the they're there in the PR position all

00:21:07 ◼   ► those like the group in front of the TV

00:21:09 ◼   ► camera the sheduled downlink like this

00:21:12 ◼   ► was not something that just happened and

00:21:13 ◼   ► someone down at Mission Control said oh

00:21:15 ◼   ► that's classic let's let's grab this for

00:21:17 ◼   ► the cameras as well yeah like this was a

00:21:19 ◼   ► no this wasn't what a magical Stefani's

00:21:21 ◼   ► moment the other argument that really

00:21:23 ◼   ► all the arguments people were making I

00:21:25 ◼   ► didn't really agree with but you know

00:21:26 ◼   ► you know it's a bit unfair I have the

00:21:28 ◼   ► microphone so it's not fair that I just

00:21:30 ◼   ► you know they have to have their say as

00:21:32 ◼   ► well and I and I have read their say but

00:21:34 ◼   ► this whole thing about our even

00:21:36 ◼   ► astronauts need to relax and decompress

00:21:37 ◼   ► and do fun things like of course that of

00:21:40 ◼   ► course and astronauts have do have a lot

00:21:42 ◼   ► of time off on the space station and

00:21:44 ◼   ► their time off is very protected by the

00:21:46 ◼   ► way like getting getting you know

00:21:48 ◼   ► getting someone to do work on the space

00:21:50 ◼   ► station during their break is a is a big

00:21:52 ◼   ► deal they do have a lot of their own

00:21:53 ◼   ► time and films and things to do and and

00:21:57 ◼   ► the other thing that again was driving

00:22:00 ◼   ► me a bit crazy was this whole inspiring

00:22:02 ◼   ► kids like I don't think that's the way

00:22:06 ◼   ► to inspire kids to become an astronaut

00:22:08 ◼   ► and if it effect

00:22:09 ◼   ► is the way to inspire kids to become an

00:22:11 ◼   ► astronaut I'm a bit worried about the

00:22:13 ◼   ► sort of people who want to become

00:22:13 ◼   ► astronauts oh my god like like people

00:22:16 ◼   ► are saying are some kid dressed as

00:22:18 ◼   ► spider-man we'll take a lot of

00:22:19 ◼   ► inspiration from seeing an astronaut

00:22:22 ◼   ► dressed up as spider-man that was crap

00:22:23 ◼   ► kids dress up as astronauts that's what

00:22:26 ◼   ► kids dressing up spider-man so anyway

00:22:34 ◼   ► anyway look I don't want to like dredge

00:22:35 ◼   ► it all up again I've read all the

00:22:37 ◼   ► feedback and like I get that people

00:22:39 ◼   ► disagree and I'm yet to read something

00:22:43 ◼   ► that has made me change my mind I think

00:22:45 ◼   ► I have dealt with astronauts and

00:22:48 ◼   ► International Space Station things

00:22:50 ◼   ► before and they are very tightly

00:22:54 ◼   ► controlled all the photos and the videos

00:22:56 ◼   ► that come down anything that's publicly

00:22:58 ◼   ► released has layers upon layers of

00:23:01 ◼   ► bureaucracy involved and if you think

00:23:04 ◼   ► this was just a bunch of cheeky

00:23:05 ◼   ► astronauts doing something for fun and

00:23:06 ◼   ► then saying look what we did know when

00:23:08 ◼   ► you what we were up to maybe you're

00:23:10 ◼   ► right I don't know I don't know the

00:23:12 ◼   ► actual details of this case but I would

00:23:14 ◼   ► be very very surprised by that there is

00:23:18 ◼   ► an item in our show notes which I think

00:23:19 ◼   ► is maybe one of the oldest things in our

00:23:22 ◼   ► show notes that I know I listed in one

00:23:23 ◼   ► of them for like their first 10 episodes

00:23:25 ◼   ► which was this this very idea of like

00:23:28 ◼   ► inspiring someone to become an astronaut

00:23:31 ◼   ► and like I just will never actually

00:23:34 ◼   ► really do it as a full topic so I'll

00:23:35 ◼   ► just mention it now but like I find that

00:23:37 ◼   ► stuff raising making because it we you

00:23:41 ◼   ► know my feeling is always like guess

00:23:44 ◼   ► what hard things are hard you want to

00:23:46 ◼   ► become an astronaut it's hard like this

00:23:49 ◼   ► is one of the hardest career paths you

00:23:51 ◼   ► could go down and I remember there's

00:23:54 ◼   ► like so much in in the sciences of this

00:23:57 ◼   ► this idea of like we want to encourage

00:23:59 ◼   ► more people to do physics and it's like

00:24:01 ◼   ► okay great

00:24:02 ◼   ► what's your plan how do you want to make

00:24:03 ◼   ► more people do physics right because

00:24:04 ◼   ► physics graduates are super valuable and

00:24:06 ◼   ► the answer was always the same thing the

00:24:08 ◼   ► answer was oh well we're going to

00:24:10 ◼   ► inspire more people to go into physics

00:24:11 ◼   ► by dumbing down the physics right by

00:24:13 ◼   ► doing all kinds of demos and flashy

00:24:16 ◼   ► stuff that has nothing to do with what

00:24:20 ◼   ► actual physics is

00:24:22 ◼   ► and okay if this even works it's just a

00:24:26 ◼   ► it's just a trick right like the you you

00:24:29 ◼   ► are hood winking someone into a career

00:24:33 ◼   ► in which they're totally gonna fail or

00:24:35 ◼   ► do poorly because like guess what

00:24:37 ◼   ► physics is actually a whole bunch bunch

00:24:39 ◼   ► of math and I like I feel so strongly

00:24:41 ◼   ► about it because like the whole reason

00:24:43 ◼   ► why as a kid I felt quote inspired to go

00:24:47 ◼   ► into physics was precisely because it

00:24:49 ◼   ► felt like a sanctuary of like oh thank

00:24:52 ◼   ► god like here's a subject that is just

00:24:55 ◼   ► hard but it's also clear and crisp and

00:24:59 ◼   ► there's no ambiguity and there's no

00:25:01 ◼   ► nonsense and so I always worry that this

00:25:04 ◼   ► kind of stuff actually pushes away the

00:25:07 ◼   ► kinds of people that you want to go into

00:25:10 ◼   ► those fields and and anybody that it

00:25:14 ◼   ► encourages it's not actually helpful

00:25:16 ◼   ► like I totally agree with you like if

00:25:18 ◼   ► some kid sees an astronaut dressed up as

00:25:20 ◼   ► spider-man and decides that he's going

00:25:23 ◼   ► to become an astronaut based on that

00:25:25 ◼   ► like that kids not gonna be an astronaut

00:25:27 ◼   ► it's not gonna happen no they're

00:25:29 ◼   ► probably not cut from the right cloth

00:25:30 ◼   ► yeah I mean III could I can see a

00:25:32 ◼   ► counter-argument I can see a

00:25:34 ◼   ► counter-argument that maybe there will

00:25:36 ◼   ► be a bunch of people who will be reached

00:25:37 ◼   ► by this photo that had never considered

00:25:39 ◼   ► aerospace before and this is the this

00:25:42 ◼   ► was the tiny little spark that lit the

00:25:45 ◼   ► fire when they looked into it further

00:25:46 ◼   ► they found other things that were more

00:25:48 ◼   ► legitimate about aerospace that appealed

00:25:50 ◼   ► to them so I think there is a an

00:25:52 ◼   ► alternative argument but the thing is

00:25:56 ◼   ► astronaut is a job that hasn't even got

00:25:58 ◼   ► that problem because the best renautas

00:26:00 ◼   ► like go and go in massive fiery rockets

00:26:03 ◼   ► in there in this extreme environment

00:26:04 ◼   ► everything about the astronaut job is

00:26:07 ◼   ► quite kind of you know sexy anyway it's

00:26:09 ◼   ► not like it's not like a job where

00:26:11 ◼   ► there's like a paucity of applicants

00:26:13 ◼   ► yeah I'm willing to bet there are way

00:26:15 ◼   ► more people applying to at at school

00:26:17 ◼   ► then astronaut school let's in it's

00:26:20 ◼   ► really really hard to become an

00:26:21 ◼   ► astronaut because everybody wants to do

00:26:23 ◼   ► it so they don't they have no PR problem

00:26:25 ◼   ► here right and also and so you know do

00:26:28 ◼   ► you think people want to become

00:26:30 ◼   ► basketballs because they once saw

00:26:32 ◼   ► Michael Jordan dress up as spider-man no

00:26:34 ◼   ► they saw him playing

00:26:36 ◼   ► basket ball and thought well playing

00:26:38 ◼   ► basketball looks awesome I want to be a

00:26:40 ◼   ► basketball er it's the same for the

00:26:42 ◼   ► astronauts just being astronauts is cool

00:26:44 ◼   ► enough but there is this weird idea like

00:26:46 ◼   ► oh we're gonna get people go do a thing

00:26:48 ◼   ► by showing them the thing in a way that

00:26:50 ◼   ► it isn't it's like that's the terrible

00:26:53 ◼   ► idea but yeah the astronauts cool wing

00:26:56 ◼   ► oversubscribed I think they're turning a

00:26:58 ◼   ► lot of people away at the gate or like

00:27:00 ◼   ► I'm sorry we can't let you interact not

00:27:01 ◼   ► school because so many people who are

00:27:03 ◼   ► applying go like guess what we need to

00:27:06 ◼   ► take the best of the best like you need

00:27:08 ◼   ► to be super smart and an incredible

00:27:10 ◼   ► physical condition in order to get into

00:27:12 ◼   ► astronaut school it's a fright stuff

00:27:14 ◼   ► psycho up hello Internet is there a

00:27:17 ◼   ► career that you want to inspire kids to

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00:29:02 ◼   ► last episode I asked feedback on whether

00:29:05 ◼   ► or not normal

00:29:06 ◼   ► photography settings can trigger an

00:29:09 ◼   ► epileptic seizure and I'm here to report

00:29:12 ◼   ► that the feedback I received was exactly

00:29:15 ◼   ► zero items of feedback right nothing

00:29:18 ◼   ► I heard absolutely nothing and what are

00:29:21 ◼   ► you saying he's saying people with

00:29:22 ◼   ► epilepsy are not interactive yes Brady

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00:29:34 ◼   ► on a podcast if you ask her feedback and

00:29:36 ◼   ► and you know the audience is hello in

00:29:38 ◼   ► chat audience like you're gonna get a

00:29:39 ◼   ► lot of feedback I think there is

00:29:41 ◼   ► probably nothing that people would love

00:29:43 ◼   ► to talk about more than their own

00:29:45 ◼   ► medical problems like so you're asking

00:29:46 ◼   ► for medical problem feedback it's like

00:29:48 ◼   ► BAM people love that conversation right

00:29:50 ◼   ► like let me tell you all about all my

00:29:52 ◼   ► medical problems right they're like oh

00:29:53 ◼   ► my god I have a cousin with his exact

00:29:54 ◼   ► medical problem so my feeling that like

00:29:57 ◼   ► I heard nothing just just yeah

00:30:00 ◼   ► tumbleweeds on an infinite Oasis it was

00:30:03 ◼   ► it was nothing it just 100% confirmed to

00:30:06 ◼   ► me that this is one of these many fake

00:30:08 ◼   ► safety things right that someone has the

00:30:11 ◼   ► idea that this can occur this is the

00:30:14 ◼   ► camera flashes this is the camera single

00:30:17 ◼   ► camera flashes causing a problem during

00:30:18 ◼   ► school photos yeah that this this idea

00:30:21 ◼   ► is written down because someone just

00:30:23 ◼   ► thinks it's a possibility and then it

00:30:26 ◼   ► it's like an idea that spreads and

00:30:29 ◼   ► metastasizes across a whole variety of

00:30:32 ◼   ► industries because nobody wants to be

00:30:34 ◼   ► the person who contradicts the idea that

00:30:36 ◼   ► like a camera flash can cause an

00:30:39 ◼   ► epileptic seizure

00:30:40 ◼   ► so maybe I'm wrong maybe this week will

00:30:43 ◼   ► be the actual feedback but I'm I'm

00:30:45 ◼   ► guessing not I'm guessing not on that

00:30:46 ◼   ► one fake safety and by the way all the

00:30:49 ◼   ► people who have admonished gray and I

00:30:52 ◼   ► for causing a problem in their

00:30:55 ◼   ► productivity and workflow because we

00:30:57 ◼   ► introduced

00:30:59 ◼   ► you will get no apology from us because

00:31:02 ◼   ► we could not have warned you anymore

00:31:04 ◼   ► that that game would take a lot of your

00:31:05 ◼   ► time but my goodness a lot of people

00:31:07 ◼   ► seem to have gotten into that oh my god

00:31:09 ◼   ► I have to say I did really enjoy that

00:31:11 ◼   ► because because I feel like this has

00:31:14 ◼   ► happened enough in my own life I'm

00:31:15 ◼   ► minding my own business and then

00:31:17 ◼   ► something blows a tremendous

00:31:19 ◼   ► productivity hole right through the

00:31:21 ◼   ► center of my life I like I think

00:31:23 ◼   ► everybody knows this experience and I

00:31:25 ◼   ► did get some some unreasonable amount of

00:31:28 ◼   ► joy from seeing all the people replying

00:31:29 ◼   ► on Twitter saying like I know that you

00:31:31 ◼   ► warned me but nonetheless I had no idea

00:31:34 ◼   ► right it's like I've lost two days so I

00:31:37 ◼   ► feel like we were 100% in the clear on

00:31:39 ◼   ► that because yes we could we could not

00:31:41 ◼   ► have warned more clearly but people

00:31:43 ◼   ► still click the button and many of them

00:31:45 ◼   ► click the button in situations that they

00:31:47 ◼   ► totally knew they should have clicked it

00:31:49 ◼   ► but there you go

00:31:50 ◼   ► so universal paper clips it is spreading

00:31:55 ◼   ► replicating throughout the world I had a

00:31:57 ◼   ► nice little bit of feedback because the

00:31:59 ◼   ► person who made the game he this is

00:32:02 ◼   ► Frank lat Frank Lance and he tweeted to

00:32:06 ◼   ► the soon after the podcast came out I

00:32:08 ◼   ► can't believe I got the numberphile guy

00:32:10 ◼   ► I'm so happy

00:32:11 ◼   ► oh that's great that's great so he feels

00:32:16 ◼   ► like he's fishing in the world as well

00:32:18 ◼   ► right he was like who else didn't I

00:32:19 ◼   ► catch in my book I told him that he was

00:32:23 ◼   ► responsible for probably preventing the

00:32:25 ◼   ► release of possibly two numberphile

00:32:27 ◼   ► videos as a result of making that game

00:32:29 ◼   ► yeah that's good Oh actually you know

00:32:32 ◼   ► what there is something that was really

00:32:33 ◼   ► grinding my gears over the feedback on

00:32:35 ◼   ► this but I just want to mention before I

00:32:36 ◼   ► forget and it was this okay so listeners

00:32:41 ◼   ► I need to explain something about

00:32:42 ◼   ► podcasts and conversations to you right

00:32:44 ◼   ► now just just because a thing is not

00:32:49 ◼   ► explicitly mentioned does not mean that

00:32:52 ◼   ► Brady and I do not know about the thing

00:32:54 ◼   ► and I I saw so many comments from people

00:32:58 ◼   ► who were saying a variation of I can't

00:33:01 ◼   ► believe that gray doesn't know about cow

00:33:04 ◼   ► clicker games or Idol games like I can't

00:33:06 ◼   ► believe he's never come across one of

00:33:09 ◼   ► these things before that is outrageous

00:33:11 ◼   ► and shocking to me that he's never seen

00:33:13 ◼   ► a game in

00:33:13 ◼   ► in this genre before how ridiculous and

00:33:16 ◼   ► they're like showing me a bunch of these

00:33:17 ◼   ► different things I feel like like when

00:33:19 ◼   ► we were having that conversation I was

00:33:21 ◼   ► making reference to these other like

00:33:24 ◼   ► game mechanics that are quite cheap

00:33:26 ◼   ► that's like guys that start was

00:33:28 ◼   ► referring to or even even if I didn't

00:33:30 ◼   ► say that is that it's like yes it would

00:33:31 ◼   ► be quite shocking if someone who likes

00:33:33 ◼   ► games a lot had never come across one of

00:33:34 ◼   ► these games but like the amount of

00:33:36 ◼   ► feedback I don't know this just there's

00:33:37 ◼   ► something about this that drives me

00:33:39 ◼   ► crazy you know better than this by now

00:33:42 ◼   ► I need internet exists for people to try

00:33:45 ◼   ► to say they know something that someone

00:33:46 ◼   ► else does I know I know

00:33:48 ◼   ► but I'll just as I'm saying it out loud

00:33:50 ◼   ► I'm just realizing I have to reek at

00:33:53 ◼   ► agura's this in my mind as the that you

00:33:56 ◼   ► forgot to mention feedback on videos

00:33:59 ◼   ► right which also drives me crazy or it's

00:34:01 ◼   ► like yeah yeah I started with 20,000

00:34:03 ◼   ► words and I went down to a thousand

00:34:04 ◼   ► words like you trust me I didn't forget

00:34:06 ◼   ► to mention a thing like the most obvious

00:34:07 ◼   ► thing so the only thing that would have

00:34:09 ◼   ► been more annoying is if someone said oh

00:34:10 ◼   ► this is stupid podcast X talked about

00:34:13 ◼   ► this game three weeks ago someone else

00:34:18 ◼   ► has already spoken about this therefore

00:34:20 ◼   ► it is forbidden to speak about it ever

00:34:22 ◼   ► again

00:34:22 ◼   ► yeah yeah that would be another kind of

00:34:24 ◼   ► feedback so I just I just want to

00:34:27 ◼   ► mention right now like I have played a

00:34:28 ◼   ► lot of these kind of games and I don't

00:34:30 ◼   ► like all of them if if you listen to

00:34:33 ◼   ► that section about Universal paperclips

00:34:35 ◼   ► and you were thinking oh this is just

00:34:37 ◼   ► another one of these clicker type games

00:34:39 ◼   ► I just want to make it really clear this

00:34:41 ◼   ► game validates the existence of the

00:34:45 ◼   ► entire genre which i think is mostly

00:34:48 ◼   ► boring and a kind of a kind of

00:34:53 ◼   ► psychological unfun this trap but like

00:34:56 ◼   ► this game is different so if you heard

00:34:58 ◼   ► that and you didn't didn't try it

00:35:00 ◼   ► because you know what kind of game were

00:35:02 ◼   ► talking about try it anyway like I

00:35:05 ◼   ► really really think this is this is the

00:35:08 ◼   ► diamond in the rough before this genre

00:35:10 ◼   ► can I plug something of mine what would

00:35:12 ◼   ► you like to plug Grady I want to plug

00:35:14 ◼   ► one of my oldest youtube channels which

00:35:17 ◼   ► is periodic videos which is my chemistry

00:35:20 ◼   ► youtube channel mmm and I want to plug

00:35:22 ◼   ► it for a very specific reason and that

00:35:23 ◼   ► is Professor Sir Martin Polyakov

00:35:27 ◼   ► who is the star of most of the videos

00:35:29 ◼   ► he's the professor with the big fuzzy

00:35:32 ◼   ► gray hair I've been working with him for

00:35:34 ◼   ► many many years he's a dear friend he's

00:35:37 ◼   ► also he's also responsible for a lot of

00:35:40 ◼   ► my other subsequent work like he's been

00:35:43 ◼   ► a key plank in a lot of my channels

00:35:45 ◼   ► getting to where they've gotten so he's

00:35:46 ◼   ► been a very important part of my youtube

00:35:48 ◼   ► career he is turning 70 years old in the

00:35:54 ◼   ► next week or two as we are recording now

00:35:56 ◼   ► I think let me check his birthday yeah

00:35:59 ◼   ► 16th of December 16th of December on the

00:36:02 ◼   ► 16th of December he is turning 70 this

00:36:06 ◼   ► is in the in the year 2017 if you're

00:36:09 ◼   ► listening in the far future so and like

00:36:13 ◼   ► you know I don't we don't get each other

00:36:15 ◼   ► birthday presents or anything but if

00:36:16 ◼   ► there's one thing that sir Martin is

00:36:19 ◼   ► truly obsessed with it is periodic

00:36:23 ◼   ► videos youtube channel statistics hey

00:36:26 ◼   ► like he follows them much more than a

00:36:28 ◼   ► distinguished professor with

00:36:30 ◼   ► responsibility and anytime we reach any

00:36:34 ◼   ► milestone or are about to reach any

00:36:36 ◼   ► milestone or anything happens across

00:36:38 ◼   ► numerous videos he'll be like well this

00:36:40 ◼   ► video we made two years ago just passed

00:36:42 ◼   ► a million views and LU like he's he's

00:36:45 ◼   ► watching it day and night he's got his

00:36:46 ◼   ► eye on the ball he's got his eye on the

00:36:48 ◼   ► bowl and almost exactly on his 70th

00:36:53 ◼   ► birthday periodic videos the channel is

00:36:55 ◼   ► due to hit you know probably the

00:36:57 ◼   ► milestone of milestones that our YouTube

00:36:59 ◼   ► channel hits and that is 1 million

00:37:02 ◼   ► subscribers yeah that's the big one

00:37:04 ◼   ► that's a big one that's that's the one

00:37:07 ◼   ► that people make a song and dance about

00:37:08 ◼   ► and they give you a gold button etc yeah

00:37:09 ◼   ► I think that I think the million

00:37:11 ◼   ► subscribers is a bigger deal than the 10

00:37:13 ◼   ► million subscribers buy a lot like that

00:37:15 ◼   ► that is the biggest milestone that a

00:37:17 ◼   ► channel can cross yeah

00:37:19 ◼   ► martin is excited about this upcoming

00:37:23 ◼   ► thing and he has noted that it could

00:37:25 ◼   ► have happened on his birthday although

00:37:28 ◼   ► looking at sort of some of the

00:37:29 ◼   ► projections and the statistics our our

00:37:32 ◼   ► projected million subscriber number has

00:37:35 ◼   ► now drifted out slightly to slightly

00:37:36 ◼   ► beyond his birthday

00:37:38 ◼   ► where my plea to the hello internet

00:37:39 ◼   ► listeners this comes in if you have a

00:37:42 ◼   ► YouTube account and your YouTube person

00:37:44 ◼   ► and you haven't subscribed to periodic

00:37:46 ◼   ► videos but you think maybe you would or

00:37:49 ◼   ► you've never looked at it and it might

00:37:50 ◼   ► interest you now would be a really nice

00:37:52 ◼   ► time for you to do it for me because I

00:37:55 ◼   ► would love to skate close to a million

00:37:57 ◼   ► in time for his birthday I think maybe

00:37:59 ◼   ► we won't quite do it but I I would like

00:38:01 ◼   ► to try and this is my play I'm not

00:38:04 ◼   ► asking you to subscribe to the channel

00:38:05 ◼   ► if like you're aware of it and dislike

00:38:08 ◼   ► it and what nothing to do with fair

00:38:12 ◼   ► enough there's not much I can say that

00:38:13 ◼   ► but if you've never looked at her or you

00:38:15 ◼   ► or you'd like it but you just never got

00:38:17 ◼   ► around to subscribing to it and you you

00:38:18 ◼   ► are ever likely to now is a good time to

00:38:21 ◼   ► do it because I'd like to get close for

00:38:23 ◼   ► Sir Martin's birthday because he's he's

00:38:25 ◼   ► he means a lot to me yeah and I think

00:38:27 ◼   ► this is this is a good time to dimension

00:38:29 ◼   ► the the channel to try to hit this mark

00:38:31 ◼   ► because if you listen back at at earlier

00:38:34 ◼   ► shows you can hear me sometimes

00:38:35 ◼   ► speculate about who on earth would be

00:38:37 ◼   ► listening to this podcast who doesn't

00:38:38 ◼   ► know our YouTube channels I am aware

00:38:41 ◼   ► that that over time that ratio has

00:38:44 ◼   ► drifted that we do have more and more

00:38:47 ◼   ► listeners who have come across the

00:38:49 ◼   ► podcast and really don't know very much

00:38:52 ◼   ► about our YouTube careers in any way so

00:38:55 ◼   ► if you are also one of those listeners

00:38:57 ◼   ► now who back in the early days I suspect

00:39:00 ◼   ► it couldn't possibly exist but now I do

00:39:02 ◼   ► know exists in serious numbers this is

00:39:05 ◼   ► an excellent time to go check out

00:39:06 ◼   ► periodic videos and go subscribe right

00:39:09 ◼   ► and and take a look at take a look at

00:39:11 ◼   ► that channel if you are one of those

00:39:13 ◼   ► listeners who knows the podcast and

00:39:15 ◼   ► doesn't follow our YouTube channels go

00:39:16 ◼   ► go subscribe to periodic videos go check

00:39:19 ◼   ► it out go to go take a look at it it's a

00:39:21 ◼   ► it's a it's a channel that's going

00:39:23 ◼   ► through a bit of a change at the moment

00:39:25 ◼   ► to for me it's it's something that I've

00:39:28 ◼   ► been starting to think differently about

00:39:29 ◼   ► this particular channel it's one of my

00:39:31 ◼   ► oldest and it's funny and I know you've

00:39:33 ◼   ► been going through a little bit of this

00:39:34 ◼   ► too maybe with your channel but when you

00:39:35 ◼   ► do a youtube channel for a long time you

00:39:38 ◼   ► occasionally go through I don't know

00:39:39 ◼   ► it's like the YouTube equivalent of like

00:39:41 ◼   ► a midlife crisis and you start and you

00:39:43 ◼   ► start thinking where am I going what am

00:39:45 ◼   ► i doing what's the point of this and a

00:39:47 ◼   ► lot of my channels have sort of been

00:39:48 ◼   ► continuing business as usual but

00:39:50 ◼   ► periodic videos as one

00:39:51 ◼   ► really revisiting in my head at the

00:39:53 ◼   ► moment so it's an interesting time to be

00:39:56 ◼   ► subscribing maybe okay so well how how

00:39:59 ◼   ► old is periodic videos oh man

00:40:02 ◼   ► I'll scared you'd ask that it looks like

00:40:05 ◼   ► it started in June 2008 oh my god

00:40:09 ◼   ► yeah okay in YouTube land that that's

00:40:12 ◼   ► more than it's more than just a midlife

00:40:14 ◼   ► crisis that's that's a pretty what you

00:40:17 ◼   ► think I'm on death's door that's a WoW

00:40:20 ◼   ► Wow I had I had no idea it was that old

00:40:24 ◼   ► yeah that's very old okay right okay I'm

00:40:31 ◼   ► sorry oh sorry let me rephrase that but

00:40:33 ◼   ► you you are an established presence on

00:40:35 ◼   ► YouTube that's that's for sure Brady you

00:40:37 ◼   ► are you are very established with pure

00:40:39 ◼   ► yo air would a statesman you are in the

00:40:41 ◼   ► elder statesman career transition of

00:40:44 ◼   ► your channel what are you thinking of

00:40:45 ◼   ► well the thing is the way period video

00:40:47 ◼   ► started was making a video about every

00:40:49 ◼   ► element on the periodic table right and

00:40:51 ◼   ► that we did 118 really really quickly

00:40:54 ◼   ► mm-hmm for various reasons like like I'm

00:40:56 ◼   ► talking like six or seven weeks fast

00:40:59 ◼   ► like so we we did a lot of videos really

00:41:01 ◼   ► quickly on all the elements and a lot of

00:41:04 ◼   ► them for that reason were kind of you

00:41:07 ◼   ► know rushed and half-baked and some of

00:41:09 ◼   ► them are just like you know 20 30

00:41:10 ◼   ► seconds and not much is said and and

00:41:12 ◼   ► then once the channel sort of became a

00:41:14 ◼   ► little bit successful more than we

00:41:15 ◼   ► expected we thought okay well I guess

00:41:18 ◼   ► we'll keep this channel going now and

00:41:19 ◼   ► let's redo all the elements so that was

00:41:22 ◼   ► the plan we're gonna redo each element

00:41:24 ◼   ► video and make them more elaborate more

00:41:26 ◼   ► detail and more experiments to make them

00:41:28 ◼   ► you know more of a thing to watch hmm

00:41:30 ◼   ► but then as the channel kind of evolved

00:41:33 ◼   ► and it became like a general chemistry

00:41:34 ◼   ► channel not just about the elements we

00:41:37 ◼   ► started doing other stuff and we started

00:41:38 ◼   ► kind of you know drinking the the the

00:41:42 ◼   ► addictive potion of the occasional viral

00:41:45 ◼   ► video doing silly things and and and you

00:41:48 ◼   ► know having travels and adventures and

00:41:50 ◼   ► making all these chemistry videos and we

00:41:51 ◼   ► could have only updated elements very

00:41:54 ◼   ► occasionally mm-hmm and those videos

00:41:57 ◼   ► have just kind of you know wallowed in

00:41:58 ◼   ► history I mean they're they're really

00:42:00 ◼   ► old now they're nearly 10 years old but

00:42:01 ◼   ► away a lot of people visit the channel

00:42:04 ◼   ► is to watch the element video isn't

00:42:06 ◼   ► stuck going through the elements mhm and

00:42:08 ◼   ► I've now realized that's bit

00:42:09 ◼   ► embarrassing because it's like oh gosh

00:42:11 ◼   ► some of these videos are really old they

00:42:12 ◼   ► really low resolution there no any of

00:42:15 ◼   ► the quality of the videos we'd make now

00:42:16 ◼   ► so I've kind of really got it in my head

00:42:19 ◼   ► no we need to abandon all this other

00:42:21 ◼   ► frivolous stuff and get back to basics

00:42:24 ◼   ► and redo all the element videos and I

00:42:28 ◼   ► want almost all of our releases now to

00:42:30 ◼   ► be you know a redux of an element video

00:42:33 ◼   ► so that's what we've done the last few

00:42:35 ◼   ► and that's what we're recording at the

00:42:36 ◼   ► moment and these days when Sir Martin

00:42:38 ◼   ► calls me up and says oh I've got a crazy

00:42:39 ◼   ► idea for some experiment or some

00:42:42 ◼   ► chemistry thing we're doing nine times

00:42:44 ◼   ► out of ten I'm saying to him no no we

00:42:46 ◼   ► are redoing the elements we're totally

00:42:49 ◼   ► focusing on that and even though these

00:42:51 ◼   ► videos will never be viral in the way

00:42:54 ◼   ► that dipping a cheeseburger and acid or

00:42:56 ◼   ► loving something up is likely to give

00:42:58 ◼   ► you the occasional viral video I've kind

00:43:01 ◼   ► of said I'm not interested in that

00:43:02 ◼   ► anymore I'm more interested in the

00:43:05 ◼   ► legacy of these hundred and eighteen

00:43:06 ◼   ► element videos and at the moment you

00:43:08 ◼   ► know some of them are just too outdated

00:43:10 ◼   ► so that's where that's where I want to

00:43:12 ◼   ► take the channel now and I think Martin

00:43:15 ◼   ► and other people in the chemistry

00:43:16 ◼   ► department at the University of

00:43:18 ◼   ► Nottingham are kind of on board with me

00:43:20 ◼   ► on that so that's the new direction less

00:43:22 ◼   ► less look at me like fun fun time things

00:43:26 ◼   ► and more back to where we started so you

00:43:29 ◼   ► are you are d viraling the channel yeah

00:43:35 ◼   ► in a way yeah it's like yeah I'm I'm

00:43:37 ◼   ► less worried about I'm less worried

00:43:40 ◼   ► about sort of you count and hitting

00:43:43 ◼   ► hitting new people by being

00:43:44 ◼   ► attention-seeking hmm you know there

00:43:47 ◼   ► will be there'll be no more dressing up

00:43:48 ◼   ► at Halloween this is kind of what I'm

00:43:51 ◼   ► wondering right is it actually ties

00:43:52 ◼   ► quite nicely into the previous

00:43:54 ◼   ► conversation yeah you're not you're not

00:43:56 ◼   ► pulling these these stunts for the for

00:43:58 ◼   ► the chemistry PR department right yeah

00:44:00 ◼   ► you're doing you're doing some meat and

00:44:02 ◼   ► potatoes periodic video we revisiting

00:44:05 ◼   ► and look it looks like at the time of

00:44:07 ◼   ► recording you've done four of these

00:44:08 ◼   ► these new ones so far

00:44:10 ◼   ► helium francium technician and nickel

00:44:13 ◼   ► yeah they're the most they're the most

00:44:14 ◼   ► recent ones and I've got chromium coming

00:44:17 ◼   ► up pretty shortly as well

00:44:18 ◼   ► yeah I mean I we have been updating

00:44:19 ◼   ► element of element videos all through

00:44:21 ◼   ► the project so occasionally we do drop

00:44:23 ◼   ► an element update but now that's what

00:44:25 ◼   ► all I want us to do hmm

00:44:27 ◼   ► so that eventually when people say whom

00:44:29 ◼   ► I'm gonna sit back on what Shaw 118

00:44:31 ◼   ► right all of them are gonna be good

00:44:32 ◼   ► right at the moment some of them are

00:44:34 ◼   ► good and people will say oh I can't

00:44:36 ◼   ► believe your video on element X is like

00:44:38 ◼   ► you know that's nowhere near as good as

00:44:39 ◼   ► your other ones that's what I want to

00:44:41 ◼   ► fix yeah well I'm looking a looking at

00:44:42 ◼   ► your channel and the oldest one that's

00:44:46 ◼   ► listed as an element video is Cobalts

00:44:49 ◼   ► from from nine years ago and in dramatic

00:44:54 ◼   ► 480p resolution and what I really like

00:44:58 ◼   ► is it's not even a full 480p because it

00:45:00 ◼   ► looks like you hard exported the black

00:45:03 ◼   ► bars around the video so it's actually

00:45:04 ◼   ► in the it's in the center of the screen

00:45:07 ◼   ► it's not taking up the full YouTube

00:45:08 ◼   ► player so yeah I didn't I didn't do that

00:45:11 ◼   ► though respectively like when you first

00:45:13 ◼   ► watch that back in the day that would

00:45:15 ◼   ► have taken up the whole screen but

00:45:16 ◼   ► something changed at some point and a

00:45:18 ◼   ► whole bunch of my videos suddenly got

00:45:19 ◼   ► black bars all around them they're

00:45:21 ◼   ► really old ones and you know that's only

00:45:23 ◼   ► a minute forty long and me three hundred

00:45:26 ◼   ► thousand people have watched it which

00:45:27 ◼   ► I'm a bit embarrassed by now because

00:45:28 ◼   ► people love going through and watching

00:45:30 ◼   ► the whole collection and that's what I

00:45:31 ◼   ► want to change when people go through

00:45:33 ◼   ► and watch the whole collection hmm

00:45:34 ◼   ► because the thing I guess I haven't

00:45:36 ◼   ► pointed out is periodic videos also has

00:45:37 ◼   ► its own website which is an entire

00:45:39 ◼   ► periodic table and you can click on any

00:45:42 ◼   ► given element and watch the video on

00:45:44 ◼   ► that element from YouTube so it's kind

00:45:46 ◼   ► of like a you know picking chocolates

00:45:48 ◼   ► from a chocolate box right so it is it

00:45:50 ◼   ► is a kind of snacking channel in that

00:45:51 ◼   ► way where people like to like get on a

00:45:54 ◼   ► streak and go through the elements and

00:45:55 ◼   ► that's where we get found out by the old

00:45:57 ◼   ► videos of it so aren't you afraid though

00:45:59 ◼   ► that if you if you diva roll the channel

00:46:01 ◼   ► that you will fall on the on the bad

00:46:03 ◼   ► side of the algorithm mm-hmm I had been

00:46:05 ◼   ► thinking about that but I don't know I

00:46:07 ◼   ► think I think I think of this channel

00:46:09 ◼   ► differently

00:46:09 ◼   ► I don't think of this channel as like a

00:46:12 ◼   ► business enterprise like that hmm so I

00:46:16 ◼   ► don't worry about that I think I think

00:46:19 ◼   ► this channel always has a different role

00:46:20 ◼   ► to play do you think I'm doing the right

00:46:22 ◼   ► thing well I don't know I here's the

00:46:26 ◼   ► thing Brady you you have what makes you

00:46:30 ◼   ► different Brady and what makes

00:46:31 ◼   ► special is you are a man with many

00:46:34 ◼   ► YouTube channels so I think you unlike

00:46:38 ◼   ► many other people who would be in the

00:46:40 ◼   ► YouTube space this like this is this is

00:46:42 ◼   ► part of a periodic videos is like part

00:46:45 ◼   ► of a Brady portfolio of channels and so

00:46:49 ◼   ► I think you would have less to worry

00:46:52 ◼   ► about if you were going to de vie roll a

00:46:55 ◼   ► channel and and get sort of go back to

00:46:58 ◼   ► basics go back to the beginning and and

00:46:59 ◼   ► redo a bunch of stuff I don't think it's

00:47:02 ◼   ► a bad idea

00:47:04 ◼   ► but but I feel more I feel more

00:47:07 ◼   ► comfortable saying that because you have

00:47:10 ◼   ► a bunch of other channels right and

00:47:12 ◼   ► there but also the thing to bear in mind

00:47:13 ◼   ► with periodic videos is it does have

00:47:16 ◼   ► like nearly a million subscribers so and

00:47:19 ◼   ► although I'd never realized a lot of

00:47:21 ◼   ► them and not active mmm and I also

00:47:23 ◼   ► realize that subscribers don't

00:47:24 ◼   ► necessarily mean everyone finds out

00:47:26 ◼   ► about your videos I do feel like the

00:47:28 ◼   ► channels big enough that it can that it

00:47:32 ◼   ► can give people just you know kind of

00:47:33 ◼   ► what they signed up for and I don't have

00:47:35 ◼   ► to worry about pandering to people who

00:47:38 ◼   ► aren't interested like I feel a bit like

00:47:40 ◼   ► I want to service the actual audience

00:47:43 ◼   ► and not not be preoccupied with new

00:47:45 ◼   ► audience so I'm saying some ways I'm

00:47:48 ◼   ► happy just as I'm happy just to feed the

00:47:51 ◼   ► existing audience and hope that new

00:47:52 ◼   ► audience comes on just gradually who

00:47:54 ◼   ► appreciate it for what it is and not for

00:47:57 ◼   ► you know crazy occasional craziness so

00:48:02 ◼   ► okay I got to say that the new videos

00:48:04 ◼   ► aren't gonna like have awesome

00:48:05 ◼   ► explosions they're just not going to be

00:48:08 ◼   ► they're just not going to be dressed up

00:48:09 ◼   ► in that way they're gonna be more you

00:48:12 ◼   ► know here's the elements brain it'll be

00:48:13 ◼   ► cool stuff in the video the whole idea

00:48:15 ◼   ► is that the video is that all the videos

00:48:17 ◼   ► are cornea right right but it's not

00:48:18 ◼   ► gonna be like you know as gimmicky well

00:48:23 ◼   ► okay here's questions you you were doing

00:48:27 ◼   ► explicit remakes of your old videos

00:48:30 ◼   ► right now and I understand like is a

00:48:33 ◼   ► very different very different thing from

00:48:35 ◼   ► the way they were produced in the

00:48:36 ◼   ► beginning to the way that they're done

00:48:37 ◼   ► now alright and this is like a long

00:48:39 ◼   ► period of time and there are many

00:48:40 ◼   ► factors here I almost don't want to say

00:48:42 ◼   ► it I almost don't want to put the idea

00:48:43 ◼   ► in your mind but do you have any

00:48:45 ◼   ► worries that that there's some kind of

00:48:48 ◼   ► magic to the earlier videos like that

00:48:52 ◼   ► even though to your eye they seem like

00:48:55 ◼   ► you as the Creator you can just see like

00:48:58 ◼   ► oh this is older and and it's shorter

00:49:01 ◼   ► like but do you think maybe that part of

00:49:03 ◼   ► the reason that the channel is

00:49:04 ◼   ► successful is because those earlier

00:49:06 ◼   ► videos were produced the way they were

00:49:08 ◼   ► and and and people like them and do you

00:49:11 ◼   ► worry basically about replacing the old

00:49:13 ◼   ► ones with the new ones that maybe it's

00:49:16 ◼   ► not quite the same I mean we're not

00:49:18 ◼   ► taking down the old ones obviously

00:49:19 ◼   ► undulating them there there is like

00:49:21 ◼   ► version one hmm

00:49:22 ◼   ► and when you say remake it's not like

00:49:24 ◼   ► I'm doing like experiments that we did

00:49:26 ◼   ► before we should be shooting them in

00:49:27 ◼   ► most of the case we're replacing 45

00:49:30 ◼   ► seconds of the guide talking it is desk

00:49:31 ◼   ► with ten minutes of experiments and

00:49:34 ◼   ► samples and better stories and no

00:49:36 ◼   ► creation okay so it's not so the reap so

00:49:39 ◼   ► calling like a remake it's not like a

00:49:41 ◼   ► shot-for-shot remake of psycho or

00:49:43 ◼   ► something like that it is more of a

00:49:45 ◼   ► exactly what I had in my mind is like a

00:49:48 ◼   ► shot-for-shot remake of psycho right

00:49:49 ◼   ► it's like oh god it just doesn't work

00:49:50 ◼   ► it's terribly poor yes it's not we're

00:49:54 ◼   ► not doing that they are they are

00:49:55 ◼   ► brand-new videos with all new stuff and

00:49:58 ◼   ► new information but I think the charm of

00:50:02 ◼   ► the old videos you know they were of

00:50:03 ◼   ► their time and like you and they feel

00:50:07 ◼   ► like they're off their time now people

00:50:08 ◼   ► expect different things from YouTube

00:50:10 ◼   ► videos now different production

00:50:11 ◼   ► qualities different pacing different

00:50:15 ◼   ► stuff in the videos and you know we

00:50:19 ◼   ► became successful because no one else

00:50:21 ◼   ► was doing it you know no one else was

00:50:22 ◼   ► doing something as crazy as making a

00:50:23 ◼   ► video about every single element but

00:50:25 ◼   ► people expect different things now so

00:50:27 ◼   ► I'm not I'm not worried about that I

00:50:29 ◼   ► think the things that make the channel

00:50:31 ◼   ► what it is are still there like a

00:50:33 ◼   ► chattiness and the professor and seeing

00:50:36 ◼   ► real stuff happening in real labs and

00:50:39 ◼   ► real scientists talking and Martin's

00:50:42 ◼   ► personality and and a kind of a homemade

00:50:45 ◼   ► feel to them which I'm still keeping you

00:50:47 ◼   ► know it's not like I'm suddenly putting

00:50:49 ◼   ► everything on tripods and making like a

00:50:51 ◼   ► whole new look yes yeah trying to make

00:50:54 ◼   ► them better yeah actually

00:50:56 ◼   ► it's I think that's a good point that

00:50:58 ◼   ► you make there because I

00:50:59 ◼   ► I often I often find that some stuff

00:51:02 ◼   ► that I I watch like when when the

00:51:06 ◼   ► upgrades like the new studio and it and

00:51:08 ◼   ► it becomes more professional it somehow

00:51:09 ◼   ► feels like oh it's not quite the same

00:51:11 ◼   ► right is it and yes it's it's good to

00:51:15 ◼   ► hear that you're you're you're keeping

00:51:17 ◼   ► that particular no it's still supposed

00:51:19 ◼   ► to be unprofessional you know when

00:51:21 ◼   ► things go wrong it stays in the video

00:51:23 ◼   ► and you know those human moments are

00:51:25 ◼   ► staying in it's just it's more about

00:51:27 ◼   ► just making putting more in the videos

00:51:28 ◼   ► and taking more time on the movie

00:51:30 ◼   ► because we're in such a rush the first

00:51:31 ◼   ► time and and now we're not in a rush

00:51:34 ◼   ► well if you're making them longer and

00:51:36 ◼   ► then and the rumor is about the

00:51:39 ◼   ► algorithm are true then maybe this is

00:51:41 ◼   ► this is the best move you could possibly

00:51:42 ◼   ► make right thank you the YouTube

00:51:44 ◼   ► algorithm apparently loves long videos

00:51:45 ◼   ► and keeping people on the on the site as

00:51:47 ◼   ► long as possible

00:51:48 ◼   ► so a hundred and eighteen fifteen to

00:51:52 ◼   ► twenty minute long videos that's a

00:51:53 ◼   ► that's a pretty pretty big chunk of

00:51:55 ◼   ► people's time and attention that YouTube

00:51:57 ◼   ► could could could get from them people

00:51:59 ◼   ► oh I say that but long videos are any

00:52:01 ◼   ► good at keeping people on the channel of

00:52:02 ◼   ► people watch the long video yeah I know

00:52:06 ◼   ► and I'm not I'm not very I'm not super

00:52:09 ◼   ► convinced by that theory anyway

00:52:11 ◼   ► is the CGP grey channel going through a

00:52:13 ◼   ► midlife crisis yeah or you know it's an

00:52:15 ◼   ► interesting thing because this summer I

00:52:19 ◼   ► realized that YouTube is now the longest

00:52:24 ◼   ► job I've ever had which was which is

00:52:27 ◼   ► just a strange realization for me that's

00:52:31 ◼   ► just happen to maintain oh yeah yeah huh

00:52:35 ◼   ► how do you how do you feel about that

00:52:37 ◼   ► strange no yeah my mental framework just

00:52:41 ◼   ► does not match this I think it's partly

00:52:45 ◼   ► because it felt like I was a teacher for

00:52:46 ◼   ► forever that is a big mental landscape

00:52:50 ◼   ► that that it's hard for me to feel like

00:52:54 ◼   ► the YouTube time is now longer than that

00:52:58 ◼   ► and it's also interesting even just

00:53:02 ◼   ► thing like you know I mean a joke before

00:53:03 ◼   ► about how long we've done this podcast

00:53:05 ◼   ► but like we've been doing this podcast

00:53:06 ◼   ► for quite a long time and I there's

00:53:08 ◼   ► something that my brain just cannot

00:53:09 ◼   ► place in these things where I still

00:53:12 ◼   ► think of

00:53:13 ◼   ► YouTube as the new projects right and

00:53:17 ◼   ► and then hello internet as like oh the

00:53:20 ◼   ► new new project I was like but actually

00:53:22 ◼   ► they've been going on for quite a while

00:53:23 ◼   ► now and I just there's I wonder I almost

00:53:28 ◼   ► wonder if in you know doublet so I've

00:53:32 ◼   ► been doing the YouTube channel seriously

00:53:34 ◼   ► for about six years now and I almost

00:53:37 ◼   ► wonder like if I double that number will

00:53:40 ◼   ► it still feel the same will it still

00:53:41 ◼   ► feel like that this is still the the new

00:53:44 ◼   ► thing it doesn't feel like you

00:53:45 ◼   ► understand type thing yeah like it the

00:53:47 ◼   ► upstart type thing even though that is

00:53:49 ◼   ► manifestly not true I don't know there's

00:53:52 ◼   ► something about it that I just can't I

00:53:54 ◼   ► just can't place correctly in my brain

00:53:58 ◼   ► so I have a hard time thinking about it

00:54:00 ◼   ► but when I realized it I found it really

00:54:03 ◼   ► quite shocking and surprising to realize

00:54:05 ◼   ► that that YouTube is now the longest job

00:54:08 ◼   ► I have ever had

00:54:10 ◼   ► do you think that surprise and feeling

00:54:12 ◼   ► is likely to result in anything or will

00:54:13 ◼   ► manifest itself in any way or it's just

00:54:15 ◼   ► like a hmm okay back on with it what

00:54:18 ◼   ► does that make you start thinking

00:54:19 ◼   ► differently and think should I be doing

00:54:21 ◼   ► this differently do I need to change

00:54:23 ◼   ► things up or or do you just is it just

00:54:25 ◼   ► like a little I think I have a different

00:54:28 ◼   ► view of it because I don't know the way

00:54:31 ◼   ► people describe my channel I feel like I

00:54:32 ◼   ► have never I have never heard someone

00:54:34 ◼   ► describe my YouTube channel in a way

00:54:36 ◼   ► that I would agree with people say that

00:54:39 ◼   ► it's a channel about history and I'd be

00:54:40 ◼   ► like I don't even understand what do you

00:54:41 ◼   ► mean by this er various ways that people

00:54:43 ◼   ► have described what my youtube channel

00:54:44 ◼   ► is like I just I've never come across

00:54:46 ◼   ► the description that I actually feel

00:54:48 ◼   ► like matches up with the way it is in my

00:54:50 ◼   ► head and I can't really quite articulate

00:54:52 ◼   ► the way it is in my head but I also feel

00:54:55 ◼   ► like that the channel has naturally

00:54:59 ◼   ► changed over time anyway like I forget

00:55:03 ◼   ► what it is but it takes a long time

00:55:05 ◼   ► before even the concept of stick figure

00:55:08 ◼   ► me shows up in a video like that's

00:55:11 ◼   ► suddenly a shift like that doing that

00:55:14 ◼   ► kind of thing has a change in the way

00:55:16 ◼   ► like oh I'm talking directly to the

00:55:18 ◼   ► audience now instead of this being like

00:55:21 ◼   ► a literal slide show like it would be in

00:55:24 ◼   ► a classroom so like that's

00:55:26 ◼   ► that's just easy to point to but I feel

00:55:29 ◼   ► like there's been a lot of little

00:55:30 ◼   ► changes in evolutions over time but I

00:55:35 ◼   ► don't know it's a it's a funny thing

00:55:37 ◼   ► because in my head I feel like it's sort

00:55:39 ◼   ► of it's sort of always changing and is

00:55:41 ◼   ► always the same and I think that that's

00:55:44 ◼   ► always the way it will be to any if the

00:55:46 ◼   ► changes that happen on your channel they

00:55:48 ◼   ► for example the introduction of stick

00:55:50 ◼   ► figure growing are they ever like lines

00:55:54 ◼   ► in the sand like will you deliberately

00:55:56 ◼   ► say okay it's time for something new I'm

00:55:58 ◼   ► going to introduce a stick figure

00:55:59 ◼   ► version of me because I want to change

00:56:00 ◼   ► the emphasis to me talking out at the

00:56:02 ◼   ► viewers rather than us looking together

00:56:04 ◼   ► at a slide show or do they happen just

00:56:07 ◼   ► kind of accidentally and you do it once

00:56:09 ◼   ► and think well that kind of worked I

00:56:11 ◼   ► might try that again sometime and then

00:56:12 ◼   ► after like 10 videos you're like oh well

00:56:15 ◼   ► I guess that's the thing now yeah like

00:56:16 ◼   ► are they because you seem like a guy who

00:56:18 ◼   ► makes a lot of strategic deliberate

00:56:20 ◼   ► decisions rather than just falls into

00:56:22 ◼   ► things the stick figure me I remember

00:56:26 ◼   ► what the video was but I do remember

00:56:28 ◼   ► that that was trying to solve a

00:56:30 ◼   ► particular problem in the way I was

00:56:32 ◼   ► explaining something and also it was in

00:56:34 ◼   ► in no small part a kind of envy of a lot

00:56:38 ◼   ► of what other educational youtubers in

00:56:41 ◼   ► the space can do where they like they

00:56:43 ◼   ► can show you animations and interesting

00:56:45 ◼   ► graphics to help an explanation and then

00:56:48 ◼   ► they can just cut to them talking either

00:56:52 ◼   ► when a visual is not needed or if it's a

00:56:56 ◼   ► moment where it's a little bit abstract

00:56:58 ◼   ► and what you would put on screen

00:57:00 ◼   ► wouldn't necessarily line up with

00:57:01 ◼   ► anything that you're talking about I I

00:57:03 ◼   ► remember being quite envious of the

00:57:06 ◼   ► ability to do that cut to camera thing

00:57:09 ◼   ► so that the stick introducing stick

00:57:11 ◼   ► figure gray was was partly the ability

00:57:13 ◼   ► to do that like oh I can cut to camera

00:57:15 ◼   ► now and it's just me talking I would say

00:57:17 ◼   ► the biggest the biggest line in the sand

00:57:21 ◼   ► thing that I did do very intentionally

00:57:23 ◼   ► was actually that las vegas vlog that i

00:57:27 ◼   ► uploaded a little while ago that was

00:57:30 ◼   ► very much a deliberate feeling of i want

00:57:35 ◼   ► to put up something on the channel that

00:57:37 ◼   ► is really different right that it's not

00:57:39 ◼   ► like

00:57:40 ◼   ► oh I've done a serious video where gray

00:57:43 ◼   ► is talking in serious tones and that's

00:57:45 ◼   ► different from all of the others or a

00:57:47 ◼   ► video like the trouble with transporters

00:57:49 ◼   ► which has a different animation style

00:57:50 ◼   ► but all of those are still kind of the

00:57:52 ◼   ► same like they're in the same family of

00:57:56 ◼   ► the videos that I do but the vlog is

00:57:58 ◼   ► like a totally different thing and is

00:58:00 ◼   ► also completely unexpected right if

00:58:01 ◼   ► you've been following the history of the

00:58:03 ◼   ► channel like it's it's weird to upload a

00:58:05 ◼   ► vlog I did that partly just because I

00:58:08 ◼   ► wanted to establish a precedent of I can

00:58:12 ◼   ► upload random things if I want to so

00:58:15 ◼   ► that was a deliberate sort of thing it

00:58:17 ◼   ► was also just interesting to see like

00:58:18 ◼   ► how are people going to react to when I

00:58:20 ◼   ► do something differently but I think

00:58:22 ◼   ► maybe that's the closest one to that so

00:58:23 ◼   ► that the line in the sand

00:58:25 ◼   ► otherwise it's things just evolve over

00:58:29 ◼   ► time I don't think anything in the

00:58:31 ◼   ► entertainment industry can stay the same

00:58:35 ◼   ► like I think stuff has to change you

00:58:39 ◼   ► know even like you're you're redoing

00:58:40 ◼   ► your videos right but you're you're

00:58:42 ◼   ► changing the way they are because you

00:58:45 ◼   ► like you want them to be updated for

00:58:47 ◼   ► modern audience sensibilities and I

00:58:51 ◼   ► think you also just have to change

00:58:52 ◼   ► because the environment around you

00:58:54 ◼   ► changes so when you look at a change to

00:58:57 ◼   ► your channel for example the saying hey

00:59:00 ◼   ► vlogs are a thing now too you know don't

00:59:03 ◼   ► don't you do you think that's you being

00:59:05 ◼   ► like super rational business gray saying

00:59:09 ◼   ► you know to survive going forward and

00:59:11 ◼   ► for the channel to grow and sustain I

00:59:13 ◼   ► need to change and adapt or is it more

00:59:15 ◼   ► an artistic thing like you know I want

00:59:18 ◼   ► to spread my wings and not just be a guy

00:59:19 ◼   ► who has to do animations and explaining

00:59:21 ◼   ► and I don't want all I don't want to be

00:59:23 ◼   ► constrained by your expectations of the

00:59:25 ◼   ► channel is this a business rational

00:59:28 ◼   ► decision you've made or is that an

00:59:29 ◼   ► artistic decision I guess is what I'm

00:59:31 ◼   ► saying I would say it's neither it's

00:59:32 ◼   ► actually just a personal decision that I

00:59:34 ◼   ► I feel like as people who follow my work

00:59:39 ◼   ► may know I'm not a big fan of regularity

00:59:42 ◼   ► and things always being the same and

00:59:44 ◼   ► predictable and that vlog went up in no

00:59:48 ◼   ► small part because I did feel like there

00:59:51 ◼   ► was there had been too much

00:59:53 ◼   ► predictability for too

00:59:54 ◼   ► long on the channel and so I wanted to

00:59:55 ◼   ► do a thing that was just totally out of

00:59:57 ◼   ► left field I wish I could say oh wow was

00:59:59 ◼   ► it

00:59:59 ◼   ► it

01:00:00 ◼   ► incredibly smart business decision but

01:00:02 ◼   ► but it was by far and away like the

01:00:05 ◼   ► worst business decision I ever made for

01:00:07 ◼   ► the channel in terms of every metric I

01:00:09 ◼   ► can possibly have putting up that vlog

01:00:11 ◼   ► video was the worst thing I could do on

01:00:14 ◼   ► every one of my spreadsheets it was

01:00:16 ◼   ► really just something personally that I

01:00:19 ◼   ► wanted to do just to just to have

01:00:21 ◼   ► something up there that was different

01:00:24 ◼   ► and established the possibility that

01:00:25 ◼   ► like oh this can happen again in the

01:00:27 ◼   ► future but as someone who seems to care

01:00:30 ◼   ► so a little about what other people

01:00:31 ◼   ► think why do you need to do that unless

01:00:34 ◼   ► it's something you want to make you want

01:00:36 ◼   ► to do like why do you why do you need to

01:00:38 ◼   ► even put down that marker like but it's

01:00:41 ◼   ► because it is something that I want to

01:00:42 ◼   ► do right again it's alright you answer

01:00:45 ◼   ► my question and it's like an artistic

01:00:46 ◼   ► thing yeah I guess if you want to phrase

01:00:47 ◼   ► it that way you could say it I don't

01:00:48 ◼   ► mean like you're an artist but yeah yeah

01:00:50 ◼   ► in an editorial decision rather than a

01:00:53 ◼   ► business decision maybe yeah an

01:00:55 ◼   ► editorial decision might be a better way

01:00:56 ◼   ► to put it because I think it's it's

01:00:59 ◼   ► partly there is something about the this

01:01:08 ◼   ► idea turned out to be totally wrong but

01:01:09 ◼   ► I'll to specify what my thinking was at

01:01:11 ◼   ► the time there is something limiting

01:01:13 ◼   ► about the animation because it's so time

01:01:18 ◼   ► intensive that it forced all's certain

01:01:21 ◼   ► kinds of videos from being able to be

01:01:22 ◼   ► made because you have to just have to

01:01:25 ◼   ► say like if a video is going to be made

01:01:26 ◼   ► like there's going to need to be an

01:01:27 ◼   ► enormous amount of animation time and so

01:01:29 ◼   ► my thinking was I'm gonna do a video

01:01:32 ◼   ► that's a different kind of thing that

01:01:35 ◼   ► can also possibly have a much shorter

01:01:37 ◼   ► turnaround time because I don't need to

01:01:40 ◼   ► animate every frame I'm just going to

01:01:43 ◼   ► film stuff now that sounds like a

01:01:45 ◼   ► business decision

01:01:45 ◼   ► no but it's I know why you say it's a

01:01:49 ◼   ► business decision but it's it's more a

01:01:50 ◼   ► question of like I want to make a

01:01:51 ◼   ► certain kind of video and up until this

01:01:53 ◼   ► point the answer is okay well whatever

01:01:54 ◼   ► you're going to make it has to be an

01:01:56 ◼   ► animation and then that cuts off a huge

01:01:59 ◼   ► number of possibilities yeah so I can

01:02:03 ◼   ► see why you're saying it sounds like a

01:02:04 ◼   ► business decision but it's much more a

01:02:05 ◼   ► personal decision of I want to do a

01:02:08 ◼   ► thing that maybe doesn't require all the

01:02:11 ◼   ► animation and let me know it's Matt yeah

01:02:13 ◼   ► you

01:02:13 ◼   ► you want to make Michelangelo's David

01:02:14 ◼   ► but you've all only ever done oil

01:02:16 ◼   ► painting so now you've said no I'm gonna

01:02:18 ◼   ► try Scott yes instead they're deeming

01:02:20 ◼   ► quite high but yes the 30 an amazing

01:02:25 ◼   ► sculptor now but anyway joke was on me

01:02:28 ◼   ► that vlog took up way more time than

01:02:32 ◼   ► animation of this so I was really really

01:02:39 ◼   ► wrong about that estimation but I was

01:02:41 ◼   ► still I was still glad to do it I just

01:02:42 ◼   ► look that to do it but yeah maybe maybe

01:02:44 ◼   ► classifying it as an editorial decision

01:02:46 ◼   ► is a is a correct way to frame it

01:02:49 ◼   ► interesting stuff well your your channel

01:02:53 ◼   ► sounds interesting but just to get back

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01:03:14 ◼   ► we'll see what we'll see what we can do

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01:03:40 ◼   ► over the many episodes of hello Internet

01:03:42 ◼   ► I think one of the greatest things I'll

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01:03:47 ◼   ► will be my discovery of fracture that's

01:03:50 ◼   ► because this company which lets you

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01:05:37 ◼   ► as our the happy family members of

01:05:39 ◼   ► christmas thanks to fracture for

01:05:41 ◼   ► supporting the show i was only joking

01:05:43 ◼   ► about the flag flag like smashing on the

01:05:46 ◼   ► floor I wouldn't want flag a flag to

01:05:48 ◼   ► smash on the floor I wouldn't want that

01:05:51 ◼   ► great from following you on Twitter and

01:05:53 ◼   ► from following almost everyone on the

01:05:55 ◼   ► world on Twitter not that I follow are

01:06:01 ◼   ► you one of those are you one of those

01:06:02 ◼   ► Twitter accounts now that follows

01:06:04 ◼   ► 500,000 people that get follow back

01:06:06 ◼   ► Brady is that what you're doing

01:06:07 ◼   ► pandering to Twitter that way I haven't

01:06:10 ◼   ► I haven't got to that stage so one thing

01:06:13 ◼   ► that causes endless frustration I know

01:06:15 ◼   ► it causes you frustration is package

01:06:17 ◼   ► deliveries from delivery companies and

01:06:21 ◼   ► I've seen I've seen even the normally

01:06:23 ◼   ► calm CGP grey who was reluctant to wield

01:06:27 ◼   ► his mighty power against corporations

01:06:30 ◼   ► get particularly upset at a delivery

01:06:32 ◼   ► company recently when they were

01:06:35 ◼   ► they were doing what they do to me all

01:06:37 ◼   ► the time and that is don't even ring

01:06:39 ◼   ► your doorbell or knock on your door and

01:06:41 ◼   ► just drop the package and run or worse

01:06:43 ◼   ► yet put a card through saying you

01:06:46 ◼   ► weren't here and run which I absolutely

01:06:48 ◼   ► hate the card through the door that was

01:06:50 ◼   ► those a was a charm charming days of

01:06:52 ◼   ► yore when I used to at least just get

01:06:54 ◼   ► the card through the door recently I've

01:06:56 ◼   ► been getting pure email notifications

01:06:59 ◼   ► now just like Oh which we tried to

01:07:03 ◼   ► deliver to your house but you weren't

01:07:04 ◼   ► home Chiqui sorry there's no proof

01:07:07 ◼   ► though even that well there is there's

01:07:08 ◼   ► proof that they were there Brady which

01:07:10 ◼   ► is a photograph of your front door at

01:07:13 ◼   ► least that's what it's supposed to be

01:07:15 ◼   ► but in every single one of emails I have

01:07:18 ◼   ► ever gotten it is a photograph of what I

01:07:20 ◼   ► presume is just the inside of the

01:07:22 ◼   ► delivery man's pocket it's is literally

01:07:24 ◼   ► nothing that registers anything as proof

01:07:27 ◼   ► on there so it's just I'm it's just a

01:07:29 ◼   ► lie right it's just a total 100% lie and

01:07:32 ◼   ► yeah I did

01:07:34 ◼   ► I did lose my cool over this a little

01:07:35 ◼   ► while ago and complained complained on

01:07:37 ◼   ► Twitter about package deliveries because

01:07:40 ◼   ► I I was waiting for something in

01:07:41 ◼   ► particular

01:07:41 ◼   ► at home all day and of course they're

01:07:43 ◼   ► like oh you weren't you were at home you

01:07:45 ◼   ► weren't home yes I was you bastards

01:07:47 ◼   ► I was waiting all day Title I before

01:07:50 ◼   ► before we go any further though I do

01:07:51 ◼   ► want to get something on record here

01:07:52 ◼   ► which was I was very very careful in the

01:07:56 ◼   ► way I was wording my complaint I just

01:07:58 ◼   ► want to get this out of the way before

01:07:59 ◼   ► we continue the conversation further I

01:08:01 ◼   ► do not think this is the delivery

01:08:05 ◼   ► people's fault

01:08:07 ◼   ► my view of this is it is the company's

01:08:10 ◼   ► fault and whatever whatever way they are

01:08:15 ◼   ► arranging the incentives for the

01:08:17 ◼   ► employees I think it's very easy to just

01:08:19 ◼   ► think oh these delivery drivers they're

01:08:21 ◼   ► so lazy and my first angry version of

01:08:24 ◼   ► the tweet was about lazy delivery

01:08:26 ◼   ► drivers this of course was back when we

01:08:28 ◼   ► had 140 characters and I had I had to

01:08:30 ◼   ► rethink it and then I phrased it in a

01:08:32 ◼   ► much better way to place blame where I

01:08:34 ◼   ► think it really goes so I just want to

01:08:36 ◼   ► make that really clear like from

01:08:38 ◼   ► everything I can gather I think this is

01:08:39 ◼   ► the fault of the delivery company's

01:08:42 ◼   ► overloading the drivers and so then they

01:08:45 ◼   ► have every incentive in the world to

01:08:47 ◼   ► just skip where they can bank on

01:08:49 ◼   ► someone probably not being there so that

01:08:51 ◼   ► they can like check off that they've

01:08:52 ◼   ► gone through all the things that they

01:08:53 ◼   ► need to do in a day

01:08:54 ◼   ► so just just want to get that out the

01:08:56 ◼   ► way first well it's interesting you say

01:08:57 ◼   ► that because my recent experience that I

01:09:00 ◼   ► want to share I think emphasizes how

01:09:02 ◼   ► much the delivery drivers working in

01:09:08 ◼   ► these incredibly strange straitjackets

01:09:10 ◼   ► that the companies are putting on them

01:09:12 ◼   ► and the pressures they're putting on

01:09:13 ◼   ► them because everyone has had cases

01:09:16 ◼   ► where you know they get a message saying

01:09:19 ◼   ► we knocked on the door and you weren't

01:09:20 ◼   ► home and they say yes I was and and this

01:09:23 ◼   ► is hole you know you're a bunch of liars

01:09:24 ◼   ► right I had a recent delivery experience

01:09:26 ◼   ► that went the other way that really

01:09:28 ◼   ► emphasized the problem and that was the

01:09:30 ◼   ► other day there was a knock on the door

01:09:31 ◼   ► I went down there was a delivery driver

01:09:34 ◼   ► with a package for me and I had to sign

01:09:37 ◼   ► for it and he had to scan the barcode

01:09:39 ◼   ► with his little device to say he'd sent

01:09:41 ◼   ► it so he was about to pass it over to me

01:09:44 ◼   ► and he went to scanner and it wouldn't

01:09:46 ◼   ► scan and he said hang on he tried again

01:09:48 ◼   ► I wouldn't scan and then he looked at

01:09:49 ◼   ► his device and said ah I'm a minute and

01:09:52 ◼   ► a half early

01:09:53 ◼   ► I can't scan this until it's the right

01:09:56 ◼   ► time and we had to stand there together

01:09:59 ◼   ► at the door waiting for the time to

01:10:02 ◼   ► elapse until we were in the window that

01:10:05 ◼   ► he was supposed to be at my door oh and

01:10:07 ◼   ► then as soon as the clock ticked over

01:10:09 ◼   ► like okay he scanned it hands it to me

01:10:12 ◼   ► and he could leave so they're so tightly

01:10:15 ◼   ► controlled at both ends of lateness and

01:10:17 ◼   ► earliness of where they have to be at

01:10:19 ◼   ► what times if they're running early they

01:10:22 ◼   ► get constrained Wow

01:10:25 ◼   ► it was amazing that that is that is

01:10:28 ◼   ► frankly breathtaking he couldn't give it

01:10:32 ◼   ► to me because he couldn't scan her

01:10:33 ◼   ► I can I can am at like it was never this

01:10:36 ◼   ► would never occur to me I can imagine

01:10:38 ◼   ► maybe why this happens just just like

01:10:41 ◼   ► you say as a way to further pin in the

01:10:46 ◼   ► driver's freedom of motion yeah because

01:10:50 ◼   ► later on if there's something that has

01:10:51 ◼   ► to be delivered like between four and

01:10:52 ◼   ► six you know they want to make sure his

01:10:55 ◼   ► whole day is controlled so that he's

01:10:56 ◼   ► arriving at the right places at the

01:10:58 ◼   ► right time it doesn't get too ahead of

01:11:00 ◼   ► schedule you know

01:11:02 ◼   ► Wow just I feel like I'm knocked

01:11:06 ◼   ► speechless by the horror of that it

01:11:09 ◼   ► knows more part the horror of having to

01:11:11 ◼   ► stand awkwardly with the delivery guy

01:11:14 ◼   ► for 90 seconds while the two of you are

01:11:17 ◼   ► waiting for a countdown counter to

01:11:19 ◼   ► finish that's okay

01:11:22 ◼   ► luckily I have the world's cutest

01:11:23 ◼   ► Chihuahua that loves coming and playing

01:11:25 ◼   ► with delivery people okay all right yeah

01:11:27 ◼   ► that would make it that would make it

01:11:28 ◼   ► much easier I feel like I would be

01:11:30 ◼   ► tempted to close the door I could turn I

01:11:33 ◼   ► didn't you get a note saying you were I

01:11:39 ◼   ► don't know it might be worth it you

01:11:41 ◼   ► avoid the awkwardness though it's a

01:11:43 ◼   ► problem that seems to be getting worse

01:11:45 ◼   ► with time and not better with time I

01:11:47 ◼   ► feel like it's causing me more problems

01:11:49 ◼   ► in laughs as time goes by because I was

01:11:51 ◼   ► complaining mightily on Twitter I did

01:11:54 ◼   ► get some some interesting sort of

01:11:55 ◼   ► private feedback that that was

01:11:58 ◼   ► confirming that what's happening is

01:12:01 ◼   ► largely that the drivers are just

01:12:03 ◼   ► banking on places that they know where

01:12:06 ◼   ► the deliveries are going to be accepted

01:12:08 ◼   ► so it's it's like these delivery

01:12:10 ◼   ► companies are actually just delivering

01:12:12 ◼   ► to business and commercial addresses and

01:12:15 ◼   ► that they're blowing off the residential

01:12:18 ◼   ► addresses just the the moment there's

01:12:20 ◼   ► any kind of delay and in their in their

01:12:23 ◼   ► schedule and where they should be and

01:12:24 ◼   ► this is what these times like I don't

01:12:26 ◼   ► understand how the world is the way it

01:12:28 ◼   ► is because isn't this like isn't this

01:12:30 ◼   ► the company's whole job like your job is

01:12:32 ◼   ► to deliver packages like why why are you

01:12:36 ◼   ► not better at delivering packages we're

01:12:38 ◼   ► handing you money to do the thing I feel

01:12:41 ◼   ► like package delivery has gotten way

01:12:45 ◼   ► worse one of the ways that I feel like I

01:12:47 ◼   ► have a subjective measure of this is

01:12:48 ◼   ► because I have an office in in my home

01:12:51 ◼   ► right and we get lots of packages sent

01:12:53 ◼   ► to the house it used to drive me so

01:12:55 ◼   ► crazy like how often the bell would ring

01:12:57 ◼   ► for the package is getting delivered but

01:12:59 ◼   ► over the last like 18 months the number

01:13:03 ◼   ► of times that has occurred has

01:13:05 ◼   ► definitely gone down and it's way more

01:13:07 ◼   ► of these like oh there's no package to

01:13:09 ◼   ► be delivered at all think so like I

01:13:10 ◼   ► really do feel like delivery companies

01:13:13 ◼   ► are worse at doing their fundamental

01:13:14 ◼   ► job than they used to before and it

01:13:18 ◼   ► bothers me double when he when I think

01:13:19 ◼   ► about things like like the grocery

01:13:21 ◼   ► delivery where you can I don't if you

01:13:23 ◼   ► have this where you are if the city is

01:13:26 ◼   ► big enough but you can have someone do

01:13:27 ◼   ► the grocery shopping for you and then

01:13:29 ◼   ► have them deliver the groceries to your

01:13:30 ◼   ► house and it's like that to me is kind

01:13:34 ◼   ► of amazing because it's a-okay grocery

01:13:36 ◼   ► stores your primary business is not

01:13:39 ◼   ► delivering things this is just an

01:13:41 ◼   ► auxiliary business yet nonetheless I can

01:13:45 ◼   ► just pick a 15-minute window in which I

01:13:48 ◼   ► want a man to show up with eggs and

01:13:51 ◼   ► cleaning fluids and toilet paper and

01:13:53 ◼   ► bananas and whatever and there they're

01:13:55 ◼   ► like BAM every time delivering the

01:13:57 ◼   ► groceries and it's like this is not even

01:13:59 ◼   ► your job like why can't actual delivery

01:14:01 ◼   ► companies get this same thing

01:14:03 ◼   ► accomplished I find it really

01:14:04 ◼   ► frustrating that's just not the

01:14:06 ◼   ► incentives in place the grocery store

01:14:08 ◼   ► has incentive doesn't it that they don't

01:14:11 ◼   ► do the deal if they don't deliver the

01:14:12 ◼   ► fresh fruit it's not well I can not

01:14:14 ◼   ► leave the food so they're just not

01:14:16 ◼   ► incentivized yeah but I guess the

01:14:18 ◼   ► feeling here is it's like there's a

01:14:20 ◼   ► delivery cartel that all the delivery

01:14:23 ◼   ► companies are equally bad right so and

01:14:25 ◼   ► they recognize like okay as long as

01:14:27 ◼   ► nobody gets better none of us have to

01:14:29 ◼   ► get better like that that's what it

01:14:31 ◼   ► feels like is actually happening because

01:14:33 ◼   ► it's like I'm paying you to deliver a

01:14:34 ◼   ► thing you know but I but I can't get it

01:14:38 ◼   ► but I also just have I have no options

01:14:40 ◼   ► here right I just have to keep paying

01:14:41 ◼   ► you to not deliver to not deliver the

01:14:43 ◼   ► thing and then push the burden on me to

01:14:46 ◼   ► go to some warehouse to pick it up off

01:14:47 ◼   ► hours I'm sure you must run into this

01:14:49 ◼   ► Brady but do you like the feeling of

01:14:52 ◼   ► sort of abusing your power as someone

01:14:54 ◼   ► who has a bunch of Twitter followers to

01:14:56 ◼   ► complain at a company like do you do

01:14:58 ◼   ► feel the call of that sometimes to yell

01:15:01 ◼   ► at a company on the internet I do where

01:15:04 ◼   ► do you draw the line how do you decide

01:15:05 ◼   ► when to when not to do it I mean you do

01:15:07 ◼   ► it less than me but you you know you

01:15:09 ◼   ► just use Twitter less than me so I don't

01:15:11 ◼   ► know it's mood isn't it it's mood partly

01:15:13 ◼   ► is like where's the radio meter right is

01:15:15 ◼   ► the radio meter very very large or is it

01:15:17 ◼   ► very very small but I also feel like I'm

01:15:19 ◼   ► caught in a bit of a loop with these

01:15:21 ◼   ► things where companies have taught me

01:15:23 ◼   ► that there is no more effective way to

01:15:26 ◼   ► get their attention than to yell

01:15:27 ◼   ► come on Twitter yeah and I presume that

01:15:30 ◼   ► having a large number of followers

01:15:32 ◼   ► certainly helps with that but it also

01:15:34 ◼   ► seems like that when I look at company

01:15:36 ◼   ► Twitter accounts like they are very

01:15:37 ◼   ► active on Twitter and replying to people

01:15:39 ◼   ► mmm I feel like the companies are

01:15:41 ◼   ► essentially begging me to complain about

01:15:44 ◼   ► them on Twitter squeaky wheel gets the

01:15:47 ◼   ► oil if I'm going to complain about a

01:15:48 ◼   ► company on Twitter there needs to be one

01:15:50 ◼   ► of two things I need to be really angry

01:15:53 ◼   ► deeply deeply angry or I need to think

01:15:58 ◼   ► of a way that I can complain that's kind

01:16:01 ◼   ► of funny I think those those are my two

01:16:03 ◼   ► markers for if I'm going to complain

01:16:05 ◼   ► publicly about a company on Twitter I

01:16:07 ◼   ► think those are the two that I'm that

01:16:08 ◼   ► I'm looking for oh there's a third fact

01:16:11 ◼   ► I agree with those two but there's a