H.I. #93: Mr. Chompers
  
   
 
 
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     we drive the listeners crazy because we 
     
     
  
 
 
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     love them I do never cease being 
     
     
  
 
 
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     surprised by how bad your spelling is 
     
     
  
 
 
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     behind the Saints it seems like it's not 
     
     
  
 
 
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     your luck strongest suit 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I would say that spelling is is perhaps 
     
     
  
 
 
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     perhaps my weakest suit way better at 
     
     
  
 
 
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     socializing at big parties probably way 
     
     
  
 
 
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     better at skydiving than I am at 
     
     
  
 
 
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     spelling my method of spelling words is 
     
     
  
 
 
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     just typed quickly right just type 
     
     
  
 
 
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     quickly whatever comes into your head 
     
     
  
 
 
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     first there what I'm about to say of 
     
     
  
 
 
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     course of course as a former teacher I 
     
     
  
 
 
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     would never endorse let students do what 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I'm about to say that I I did when I was 
     
     
  
 
 
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     a student but when I was back in like 
     
     
  
 
 
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     high school and middle school I would 
     
     
  
 
 
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     cheat the hell out of spelling tests how 
     
     
  
 
 
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     do you would you check one of the years 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I had a homeroom class that then rolled 
     
     
  
 
 
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     over into an English class and so I 
     
     
  
 
 
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     would I would be able to just write very 
     
     
  
 
 
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     lightly in pencil some of the the 
     
     
  
 
 
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     spelling words that I knew were going to 
     
     
  
 
 
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     be on the test or like the likely 
     
     
  
 
 
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     spelling words that were going to be on 
     
     
  
 
 
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     the test or it concealed them somewhere 
     
     
  
 
 
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     else you know I think most industrious 
     
     
  
 
 
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     kids now if you really put your mind to 
     
     
  
 
 
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     it it's not super hard to cheat if 
     
     
  
 
 
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     you're not in a standardized test 
     
     
  
 
 
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     environment and there's any kind of 
     
     
  
 
 
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     regularity to it but here's the thing 
     
     
  
 
 
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     the reason I felt no guilt about 
     
     
  
 
 
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     cheating is because I could only cheat 
     
     
  
 
 
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     my way to like a 50 percent score right 
     
     
  
 
 
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     if I wasn't cheating I would get like a 
     
     
  
 
 
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     20 percent score on the spelling it 
     
     
  
 
 
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     would have been atrocious but if I had 
     
     
  
 
 
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     cheated my way into like oh wow I got a 
     
     
  
 
 
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     got an 80 percent this week it would be 
     
     
  
 
 
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     way too obvious right there like I would 
     
     
  
 
 
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     have been caught for cheating 
     
     
  
 
 
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     immediately because it would be so 
     
     
  
 
 
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     obvious that there's no way this kid 
     
     
  
 
 
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     actually did it so I felt like I cheated 
     
     
  
 
 
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     myself into a less bad failing grade to 
     
     
  
 
 
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     try to not entirely pull down my grade 
     
     
  
 
 
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     average for the class on a whole so that 
     
     
  
 
 
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     was my history with spelling in school 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     normally between you and I there is a 
     
     
  
 
 
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     one-way flow of 
     
     
  
 
 
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     pictures of cute puppies I often send 
     
     
  
 
 
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     you pictures of Audrey and Lulu in 
     
     
  
 
 
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     action and stuff like that mm-hmm 
     
     
  
 
 
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     but everything has changed you have been 
     
     
  
 
 
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     sending me videos and pictures of you 
     
     
  
 
 
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     playing with a super super cute dog what 
     
     
  
 
 
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     is going on tell people what is 
     
     
  
 
 
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     happening in your world 
     
     
  
 
 
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     what is happening in my world is not 
     
     
  
 
 
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     what the listeners are probably 
     
     
  
 
 
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     imagining I have not gotten a dog the 
     
     
  
 
 
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     gray family has no intention to get a 
     
     
  
 
 
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     dog but we make decisions not promises 
     
     
  
 
 
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     for our future selves but you know for 
     
     
  
 
 
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     the moment we've decided that we're not 
     
     
  
 
 
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     gonna get a dog hmm but but we talked 
     
     
  
 
 
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     our way into dog sitting our neighbors 
     
     
  
 
 
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     new puppy I have been like it like a 
     
     
  
 
 
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     stay at home doggy dad for the past week 
     
     
  
 
 
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     taking care of a little Bulldog breed 
     
     
  
 
 
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     puppy who is very cute and I feel like 
     
     
  
 
 
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     someone who has a baby and then can't 
     
     
  
 
 
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     help but just send photos of the baby to 
     
     
  
 
 
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     everyone in the world I think I have 
     
     
  
 
 
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     sent photos and videos of this little 
     
     
  
 
 
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     dog to lots of people lots of people 
     
     
  
 
 
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     like on social boundaries it's like 
     
     
  
 
 
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     should I really be sending this person 
     
     
  
 
 
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     the picture of the dog like I'm what the 
     
     
  
 
 
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     dog is so cute like what I can't not 
     
     
  
 
 
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     send this photograph so yeah there's 
     
     
  
 
 
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     been there's been an exodus of dog 
     
     
  
 
 
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     photos and videos from my phone to many 
     
     
  
 
 
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     other people so I can see how your wife 
     
     
  
 
 
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     would get herself into dog sitting I 
     
     
  
 
 
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     cannot see how you would have agreed to 
     
     
  
 
 
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     this it seems like that it seems like 
     
     
  
 
 
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     something you wouldn't do like like you 
     
     
  
 
 
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     know you're a nice guy and right stuff 
     
     
  
 
 
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     but I can't say you agreeing to dog shit 
     
     
  
 
 
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     like someone else's dog okay so okay I 
     
     
  
 
 
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     have to ask you this because when I have 
     
     
  
 
 
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     sent out these pictures to people I have 
     
     
  
 
 
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     gotten universal feedback which is 
     
     
  
 
 
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     exactly exactly what you're expressing 
     
     
  
 
 
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     which is I don't understand why or how 
     
     
  
 
 
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     you've agreed to this and to me I feel 
     
     
  
 
 
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     like my only response is what do you 
     
     
  
 
 
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     mean why would someone agreed like I can 
     
     
  
 
 
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     barely understand like what what do you 
     
     
  
 
 
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     think is the reason that I wouldn't do 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     it's such an encroachment upon your time 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and your space for something that is not 
     
     
  
 
 
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     yours and like I know you've been 
     
     
  
 
 
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     involved it's not just like you've just 
     
     
  
 
 
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     been keeping an eye on it you've been 
     
     
  
 
 
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     like training it you know trying to make 
     
     
  
 
 
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     it a better dog a better puppy very 
     
     
  
 
 
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     important it sounds like it's been you 
     
     
  
 
 
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     know and I know it's encroached on your 
     
     
  
 
 
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     ability to do other things in your 
     
     
  
 
 
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     normal course of your day you've made it 
     
     
  
 
 
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     sound like it's you know becoming real 
     
     
  
 
 
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     a big thing in your life for whatever 
     
     
  
 
 
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     period you're doing this for and that 
     
     
  
 
 
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     just seems like something that you would 
     
     
  
 
 
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     be reluctant to agree to you know you 
     
     
  
 
 
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     you are so you know organized and set in 
     
     
  
 
 
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     your ways and like to organize your time 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and you're quite like a self-contained 
     
     
  
 
 
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     unit this is drew like you don't seem 
     
     
  
 
 
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     like someone who does lots and lots of 
     
     
  
 
 
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     things for the benefit of other people 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and yet this dog-sitting thing goes 
     
     
  
 
 
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     against that and I get you get like you 
     
     
  
 
 
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     know some fun times and cuteness out of 
     
     
  
 
 
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     it but I wouldn't have thought that 
     
     
  
 
 
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     would have been enough to have overcome 
     
     
  
 
 
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     all your other traits I guess I can see 
     
     
  
 
 
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     that on the other hand puppies are great 
     
     
  
 
 
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     yeah my parents mostly let it but I 
     
     
  
 
 
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     helped out with the training of Lucy my 
     
     
  
 
 
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     parents dog when she was a little puppy 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and that was that was the first time I 
     
     
  
 
 
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     ever had any experience doing formal dog 
     
     
  
 
 
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     training and so like I found that a 
     
     
  
 
 
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     really interesting experience and as 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I've mentioned many times on the podcast 
     
     
  
 
 
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     like a helpful experience and looking 
     
     
  
 
 
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     back now you do talk about that Cesar 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Millan show a lot don't you and like you 
     
     
  
 
 
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     have got a bit of an interest in dog 
     
     
  
 
 
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     training now I think about it 
     
     
  
 
 
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     yeah like actually we can we can revisit 
     
     
  
 
 
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     that in a moment but but so like this 
     
     
  
 
 
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     this to me is now like another little 
     
     
  
 
 
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     step up of the ratchet where it's like 
     
     
  
 
 
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     oh now there's a dog that I have total 
     
     
  
 
 
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     responsibility for for huge portions of 
     
     
  
 
 
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     the day and so that that's a very 
     
     
  
 
 
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     different level of behavior training and 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I like I personally just find that very 
     
     
  
 
 
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     interesting but but I will say you are 
     
     
  
 
 
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     100% right when you talk about an 
     
     
  
 
 
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     encroachment into my life because in the 
     
     
  
 
 
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     in the main room of our house the room 
     
     
  
 
 
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     where we have the kitchen and I like a 
     
     
  
 
 
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     couch in space to watch TV the main 
     
     
  
 
 
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     living area of the house 40% of that 
     
     
  
 
 
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     floor space is now taken up by a doggy 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     not for this dog dog sitting which 
     
     
  
 
 
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     contains within it a doggy bed and many 
     
     
  
 
 
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     doggy toys we also got a harness for the 
     
     
  
 
 
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     little dog and leash we've purchased 
     
     
  
 
 
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     many many things for this popper 
     
     
  
 
 
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     so just oh yeah oh my god yeah my 
     
     
  
 
 
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     commitment is this are you just doing 
     
     
  
 
 
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     something temporarily while they went to 
     
     
  
 
 
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     like Europe for a week or is this while 
     
     
  
 
 
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     they go to their job everyday you've 
     
     
  
 
 
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     said I will care for your dog during the 
     
     
  
 
 
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     day while you do your normal job every 
     
     
  
 
 
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     day of your life so basically I'm taking 
     
     
  
 
 
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     care of the dog during the day this is 
     
     
  
 
 
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     what we've signed up for is the puppy is 
     
     
  
 
 
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     very very young he's about 10 weeks old 
     
     
  
 
 
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     now what's his name I mean for the 
     
     
  
 
 
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     privacy sake for the dog I don't want to 
     
     
  
 
 
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     give his name that's true that's true 
     
     
  
 
 
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     safety grey safety yeah I'm gonna call 
     
     
  
 
 
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     him mr. chompers because he chomps on 
     
     
  
 
 
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     absolutely everything and that's that is 
     
     
  
 
 
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     the number one behavior that we're 
     
     
  
 
 
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     working on right now is that mr. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     chompers has to get less Chompy is mr. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     chompers chomping your personal 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     no no he's very good about that actually 
     
     
  
 
 
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     mr. chompers favorite thing to chomp our 
     
     
  
 
 
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     hands I would count your hands as your 
     
     
  
 
 
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     personal possessions but I see what you 
     
     
  
 
 
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     made how they're just they're just part 
     
     
  
 
 
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     of the meat sack that I live in that's a 
     
     
  
 
 
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     very different thing but yes and mr. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     chompers we're doing lots of redirection 
     
     
  
 
 
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     you know you chew on toys and it's great 
     
     
  
 
 
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     to see him learn over time that can 
     
     
  
 
 
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     change his behavior like I find that 
     
     
  
 
 
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     very rewarding I was like the most proud 
     
     
  
 
 
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     father in the world the very first day 
     
     
  
 
 
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     when he went on his own and picked up 
     
     
  
 
 
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     one of his chew toys instead of having 
     
     
  
 
 
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     to be directed towards the chew toy like 
     
     
  
 
 
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     this is very very young puppy behavior 
     
     
  
 
 
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     where they're just you know yeah it's 
     
     
  
 
 
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     very hard to train them at this stage 
     
     
  
 
 
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     but no I'm taking care of him during the 
     
     
  
 
 
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     day and I will say that I suspect right 
     
     
  
 
 
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     that we were like angels from heaven 
     
     
  
 
 
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     descended upon these neighbors of ours 
     
     
  
 
 
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     with their dog because they had taken a 
     
     
  
 
 
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     bunch of time off work to be around mr. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     chompers and then they had to go back to 
     
     
  
 
 
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     work and they were trying to arrange 
     
     
  
 
 
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     like some things with their other family 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and like daycare Scituate and like a 
     
     
  
 
 
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     whole bunch of other stuff and then we 
     
     
  
 
 
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     showed up like hey I work from home I 
     
     
  
 
 
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     couldn't look after mr. chompers ed is 
     
     
  
 
 
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     like and I'm more more than happy yank 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     I needed to help out with the training 
     
     
  
 
 
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     while he's a little puppy for a while so 
     
     
  
 
 
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     but how did you get out of this now like 
     
     
  
 
 
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     at what point do you say okay I'm not 
     
     
  
 
 
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     having a dog anymore have you put any 
     
     
  
 
 
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     kind of expiration date on this 
     
     
  
 
 
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     agreement or yeah the implied expiration 
     
     
  
 
 
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     date is just when he's old enough to 
     
     
  
 
 
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     actually be able to be left alone for 
     
     
  
 
 
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     some period of time like he's just he's 
     
     
  
 
 
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     he's too young as a puppy to be on its 
     
     
  
 
 
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     own all day so like they have to do 
     
     
  
 
 
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     something with him and so and so this 
     
     
  
 
 
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     way like he doesn't have to go you know 
     
     
  
 
 
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     into like a doggy daycare facility for 
     
     
  
 
 
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     the day I can I can just go I can just 
     
     
  
 
 
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     go pick him up bring him to my place 
     
     
  
 
 
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     drop him off and then and then have this 
     
     
  
 
 
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     little puppy be essentially an 
     
     
  
 
 
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     all-consuming focus of my life for the 
     
     
  
 
 
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     entire day it's it's exhausting it's 
     
     
  
 
 
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     genuinely exhausted is there any concern 
     
     
  
 
 
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     you're gonna get into one of these like 
     
     
  
 
 
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     cliched sort of surrogate mother type 
     
     
  
 
 
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     positions when they say okay it's time 
     
     
  
 
 
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     for us to have our dog back and you're 
     
     
  
 
 
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     gonna be like your dog I'm the one who's 
     
     
  
 
 
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     brought it up and told it to tourism no 
     
     
  
 
 
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     no but see see this is this is the thing 
     
     
  
 
 
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     that nobody understands right this is 
     
     
  
 
 
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     the best way to have a dog is the 
     
     
  
 
 
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     ability to give him back at the end of 
     
     
  
 
 
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     the day or like this weekend right we 
     
     
  
 
 
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     don't have we don't have mr. chompers 
     
     
  
 
 
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     this weekend because he is with his 
     
     
  
 
 
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     actual parents he's like oh wow my wife 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:10:14
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     and I now have like look at this look at 
     
     
  
 
 
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     all of this space we have we can 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:10:16
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     collapse the whole the whole dog pen 
     
     
  
 
 
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     situation we can put it off to the side 
     
     
  
 
 
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     we can just relax it's great like I feel 
     
     
  
 
 
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     like this is this is what this is what 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:10:24
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     Brady grandparents are always talking 
     
     
  
 
 
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     about right with their like Oh grandkids 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:10:28
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     are better than real kids because you 
     
     
  
 
 
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     get to give the grandchildren back but 
     
     
  
 
 
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     you also get to spend some time with the 
     
     
  
 
 
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     grandkids but do you find yourself 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:10:35
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     sitting around ever thinking wow I wish 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:10:38
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     ► 
     mr. chompers was here we do wonder what 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:10:40
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     mr. chompers is up to right yeah I 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:10:41
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     wonder what he's doing right now we've 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:10:43
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     definitely reviewed mr. chompers videos 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:10:45
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     that we've taken and photographs because 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:10:47
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     Brady at this age they grow up so fast 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:10:50
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     like he's legitimately bigger every day 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:10:51
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     and now that I will I will not have seen 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:10:54
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     ► 
     him for a long weekend when I see mr. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:10:56
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     ► 
     chompers tomorrow he's gonna he's gonna 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:10:58
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     be he's gonna be so much bigger already 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:10:59
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     you have to give to cherish the time 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:11:01
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     that you have with them when they're 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:11:02
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     young are you dealing with Poe and we oh 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:11:05
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     yeah yeah we have in the 
     
     
  
 
 
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     house yeah we're doing pedal pads like 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:11:09
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     ► 
     he's not he's not potty trained yet so 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:11:12
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     we're doing the piddle pads on the floor 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:11:15
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     for now so we have that all we have that 
     
     
  
 
 
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     laid out a little dog goes through 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:11:19
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     mountains of Biddle pads so yeah that's 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:11:23
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     ► 
     that's it yeah you had to pick up a / 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:11:25
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     ► 
     yeah yeah I picked up poo that's what 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:11:27
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     you do with dogs oh man I would I will 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:11:30
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     ► 
     pay you 50 pounds for a video of you 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:11:34
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     ► 
     picking up a poo why I just can't 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:11:38
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     imagine you doing it we want one of 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:11:41
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     ► 
     those little dog poo bag dispensers in 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:11:44
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     ► 
     the shape of a bone right so you can 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:11:45
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     pull out a little dog poop bag yeah yeah 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:11:47
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     ► 
     you know what I'm talking about the kind 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:11:48
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     in cross yeah so yeah we've just got one 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:11:51
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     ► 
     yeah I take I take mr. chompers out for 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:11:53
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     ► 
     walks we're trying to train him to go to 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:11:55
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     the bathroom outside and say yeah you 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:11:57
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     ► 
     pick up poo that that's what you do with 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:11:58
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     ► 
     with fill dogs 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:11:59
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     ► 
     if tagine have to organize and mr. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:12:01
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     ► 
     chompers Audrey playdate 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:12:03
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     ► 
     oh yeah does she do well with other dogs 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:12:04
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     ► 
     depends on the dog hmm she's quite 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:12:06
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     ► 
     territorial but away from home she's 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:12:08
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     ► 
     pretty friendly with all dogs in her 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:12:10
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     ► 
     Park only certain dogs are allowed right 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:12:12
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     ► 
     of course of course I forget that Audrey 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:12:14
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     does own that Park it is it does say on 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:12:17
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     away from her away from home she's 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:12:19
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     ► 
     pretty cool with old dogs and she gets 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:12:22
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     used to any dog within about a minute 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:12:23
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     well you know socializing is an 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:12:24
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     ► 
     important part of a puppy life but this 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:12:26
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     is absolutely not moved your own 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:12:28
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     ► 
     personal needle for getting a dog at 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:12:30
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     ► 
     some point oh you know I can see at some 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:12:33
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     ► 
     point in the future we get a dog I don't 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:12:35
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     ► 
     see it in the near future for a whole 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:12:37
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     ► 
     variety of reasons and and again 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:12:40
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     ► 
     everybody says to me they're like oh you 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:12:42
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     ► 
     know oh you you've adopted somebody 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:12:43
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     ► 
     else's dog essentially during the day 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:12:45
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     ► 
     like you're gonna you're gonna have a 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:12:46
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     ► 
     dog within weeks and and my my view on 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:12:48
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     ► 
     this is the exact opposite we are in 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:12:50
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     fact satiating our doggy needs right we 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:12:54
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     ► 
     are not amplifying doggy native we'll 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:12:57
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     ► 
     say once you're mr. chompers excess is 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:12:59
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     ► 
     no longer on tap you may feel 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:13:04
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     ► 
     hot stoppers I don't think we've got to 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:13:07
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     ► 
     the endgame yet but I have now activated 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:13:10
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     ► 
     the section of the hello Internet 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:13:13
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     patreon page so that any existing 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:13:16
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     ► 
     patrons and any future patrons 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:13:19
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     ► 
     can provide a postal address like they 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:13:22
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     ► 
     can fill in a postal address section now 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:13:24
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     ► 
     and if they decide to do so it's a 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:13:27
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     ► 
     voluntary thing obviously but if they 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:13:29
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     ► 
     decide to do so they will be going into 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:13:31
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     ► 
     a specially devised semi random ballot 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:13:35
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     ► 
     and I will occasionally be sending out 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:13:38
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     ► 
     random hot stoppers to people and they 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:13:42
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     ► 
     would arrive unexpectedly like a like a 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:13:44
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     ► 
     gift from Santa Claus I will not be 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:13:46
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     ► 
     emailing or informing people that they 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:13:48
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     ► 
     are coming right 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:13:49
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     ► 
     partly because I like the surprise mmm 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:13:51
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     ► 
     and partly because if I did do that and 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:13:53
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     ► 
     then for some reason someone's gets lost 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:13:55
     ◼
      
     ► 
     in the post right I get back to that 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:13:57
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     ► 
     original problem that I'm trying to 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:13:58
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     ► 
     avoid administration so you would not 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:14:01
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     ► 
     know it's coming right now we get back 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:14:02
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     ► 
     to fulfillment problems yeah exactly 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:14:04
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     ► 
     even though it's like a free gift people 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:14:06
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     ► 
     will still get upset if I email them and 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:14:07
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     ► 
     say you've got one coming hmm and it 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:14:10
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     ► 
     doesn't arrive so I'm not doing that I 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:14:11
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     ► 
     think that's great 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:14:12
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     ► 
     remind me brainy there's a thing I want 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:14:14
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     ► 
     to talk to you after the show after 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:14:15
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     ► 
     we're done recording about about that 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:14:18
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     ► 
     about what to do with X I've been 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:14:19
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     ► 
     thinking some learn something along 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:14:20
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     ► 
     those lines but it you had to say it was 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:14:22
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     ► 
     very interesting reading through the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:14:23
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     ► 
     feedback I always really liked it to see 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:14:25
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     ► 
     all all the feedback in the reddit and 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:14:26
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     ► 
     people coming up with ideas about what 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:14:28
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     ► 
     to do I'm gonna stay away from any 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:14:29
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     ► 
     specific solutions right now but what I 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:14:33
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     ► 
     will say my general feeling reading 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:14:36
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     ► 
     through people's ideas is I was aware I 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:14:38
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     ► 
     was aware of myself getting pulled 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:14:41
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     ► 
     toward and sort of repelled away from 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:14:45
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     ► 
     two kinds of ideas I really liked all 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:14:47
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     ► 
     the ideas that people had that were just 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:14:50
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     ► 
     fun ideas like some people came up with 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:14:53
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     ► 
     some fun possibly impractical and maybe 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:14:55
     ◼
      
     ► 
     not really doable ideas but just like 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:14:57
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     ► 
     fun things what could you do with a 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:14:59
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     ► 
     thousand hot Stoppers right and people 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:15:01
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     ► 
     came up with great ideas and I just 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:15:03
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     ► 
     found it interesting that even though my 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:15:04
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     ► 
     question was help us solve this economic 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:15:09
     ◼
      
     ► 
     problem last time I found myself 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:15:11
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     ► 
     repelled away a little bit from the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:15:14
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     ► 
     actual solutions to this problem like 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:15:16
     ◼
      
     ► 
     there were a couple of really good 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:15:17
     ◼
      
     ► 
     write-ups where people were going 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:15:18
     ◼
      
     ► 
     through like oh here here's how you can 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:15:20
     ◼
      
     ► 
     solve this problem in in a in a very 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:15:22
     ◼
      
     ► 
     efficient way and just thought no I 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:15:24
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     ► 
     think these are these are whimsical hot 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:15:26
     ◼
      
     ► 
     Stoppers I agree I think they should be 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:15:28
     ◼
      
     ► 
     used in some kind of fun way I also 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:15:32
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     ► 
     think a lot of 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:15:33
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     ► 
     the suggestions I read indicated to me 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:15:35
     ◼
      
     ► 
     that people hadn't really understood the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:15:38
     ◼
      
     ► 
     problem mmm and they were saying I don't 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:15:40
     ◼
      
     ► 
     know this is it this is an easy problem 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:15:41
     ◼
      
     ► 
     just like set this price and do this and 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:15:44
     ◼
      
     ► 
     organize this distribution person and 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:15:46
     ◼
      
     ► 
     like they just then outlined a solution 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:15:48
     ◼
      
     ► 
     which was the exact thing I was trying 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:15:50
     ◼
      
     ► 
     to avoid which was a whole big thing 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:15:53
     ◼
      
     ► 
     right so it's still it's still 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:15:56
     ◼
      
     ► 
     unresolved you've got yours now though I 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:15:59
     ◼
      
     ► 
     did send you some yes what do you what 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:16:01
     ◼
      
     ► 
     are your thoughts now that you've seen 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:16:02
     ◼
      
     ► 
     them in the in the real life flesh I 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:16:04
     ◼
      
     ► 
     absolutely love that istick they're not 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:16:05
     ◼
      
     ► 
     actually made of flesh of course dude 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:16:07
     ◼
      
     ► 
     that would be weird not stoppers if that 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:16:12
     ◼
      
     ► 
     if a ki fingers I'd opened up an 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:16:16
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     envelope and gotten some flesh based on 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Stoppers I don't think we would 
     
     
  
 
 
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     recording this podcast right now I think 
     
     
  
 
 
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     our relationship would be terminated 
     
     
  
 
 
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     least a chump is would have liked him 
     
     
  
 
 
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     you know we can't train mr. jumpers on 
     
     
  
 
 
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     human flesh that's the be very much 
     
     
  
 
 
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     against the training that we're working 
     
     
  
 
 
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     very hard with with him all right 
     
     
  
 
 
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     there's no joking about mr. choppers 
     
     
  
 
 
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     training sorry it's absolutely serious 
     
     
  
 
 
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     no it's great it's great seeing them as 
     
     
  
 
 
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     a whole big bunch and I feel like it it 
     
     
  
 
 
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     it compels the mind with fun ideas 
     
     
  
 
 
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     seeing a big a big bunch of hot stoppers 
     
     
  
 
 
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     like that have you actually used one 
     
     
  
 
 
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     though to stop hotness I have not yet 
     
     
  
 
 
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     used one to stop hotness I promise when 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I do when I do use a the first hot 
     
     
  
 
 
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     stopper to stop hotness I'll post it up 
     
     
  
 
 
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     on on Twitter or on my second channel 
     
     
  
 
 
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     somewhere so so people can see the 
     
     
  
 
 
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     virgin use of a hot stopper so many 
     
     
  
 
 
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     people have responded to it I guess we 
     
     
  
 
 
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     should just shout out to all the people 
     
     
  
 
 
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     who had something to say about our 
     
     
  
 
 
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     discussion last episode about the 
     
     
  
 
 
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     astronauts dressing up for Halloween oh 
     
     
  
 
 
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     man I've got to say yeah there was a 
     
     
  
 
 
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     there was so much feedback about this 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and this this is also one of those 
     
     
  
 
 
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     moments where even after what we've been 
     
     
  
 
 
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     doing this show together now what 10 
     
     
  
 
 
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     years I my ability to predict what 
     
     
  
 
 
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     people are going to comment on about in 
     
     
  
 
 
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     the show I feel like it's not even it's 
     
     
  
 
 
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     not even bad it's it's like my 
     
     
  
 
 
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     predictions are exactly opposites like 
     
     
  
 
 
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     if we if we just reversed with my 
     
     
  
 
 
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     predictions would be that would be the 
     
     
  
 
 
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     truth and I thought like oh the 
     
     
  
 
 
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     astronaut thing like oh no I was 
     
     
  
 
 
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     probably going to talk about that and 
     
     
  
 
 
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     then I was I was deeply 
     
     
  
 
 
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     concerned like out of mind that there's 
     
     
  
 
 
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     gonna be so much feedback about the 9/11 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:17:48
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     memorial it's like there that 9/11 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:17:51
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     memorial thumbs down I don't like it it 
     
     
  
 
 
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     stinks right and it's like feedback a 
     
     
  
 
 
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     couple of comments that agree and mostly 
     
     
  
 
 
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     silence silence right but astronauts 
     
     
  
 
 
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     have dressed up as a minion is like boom 
     
     
  
 
 
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     so much feedback so much feedback and I 
     
     
  
 
 
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     felt like you were kind of backed into a 
     
     
  
 
 
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     corner by a lot of that feedback I mean 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I feel like I brought it upon myself to 
     
     
  
 
 
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     a degree because I was quite flamboyant 
     
     
  
 
 
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     about it you know I was quite 
     
     
  
 
 
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     over-the-top in my criticism maybe that 
     
     
  
 
 
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     caused some of the pushback but also it 
     
     
  
 
 
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     was overwhelmingly people disagree with 
     
     
  
 
 
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     my position hmm they disagree that it 
     
     
  
 
 
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     was silly and wrong for them to dress up 
     
     
  
 
 
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     as spider-man and minions and that that 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I read I've read almost all of the 
     
     
  
 
 
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     feedback and I have to say having read 
     
     
  
 
 
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     all the feedback and absorbed it taken 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:18:42
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     in what people had to say I'm pretty 
     
     
  
 
 
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     much unmoved 
     
     
  
 
 
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     from my position I still think I think 
     
     
  
 
 
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     all the people responding have maybe 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:18:54
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     misunderstood that they've definitely 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:18:55
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     have misunderstood some of my criticism 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:18:57
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     because I certainly don't really blame 
     
     
  
 
 
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     the astronauts for it you know some 
     
     
  
 
 
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     people I felt like were going in to bat 
     
     
  
 
 
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     for the astronauts but I also think some 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:19:04
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     of the feedback was maybe a little naive 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:19:07
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     as to hell NASA works and life on the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:19:11
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     space station works and how tightly 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:19:13
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     controlled the media operation is with 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:19:15
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     anything necessarily 'td I think people 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:19:17
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     had in their minds the idea that the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:19:22
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     astronauts were sitting around on the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:19:24
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     ► 
     ISS drinking their morning coffee you 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:19:27
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     ► 
     know their day off on Halloween thinking 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:19:30
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     about what to do and came up with the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:19:32
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     idea that they were going to do a fun 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:19:34
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     thing and take a photograph of it and 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:19:37
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     ► 
     then then if you are complaining about 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:19:40
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     ► 
     them in their Halloween costumes it 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:19:42
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     ► 
     seems like you are the world's biggest 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:19:44
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     ► 
     Grinch but it's yes like hey these guys 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:19:47
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     are on a break they should be allowed to 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:19:48
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     ► 
     just you know be themselves yes there 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:19:50
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     ► 
     was an enormous amount of shouldn't 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:19:52
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     astronauts be allowed to have spare time 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:19:56
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     ss and I think like this this really 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:20:00
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     this really drives to the heart about 
     
     
  
 
 
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     ► 
     what's occurring here like if you if you 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:20:07
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     ► 
     think this is a spontaneous outburst 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:20:09
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     ► 
     from the astronauts and they were just 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:20:11
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     doing a thing because it was fun to them 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:20:14
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     oh yeah no one in the world is going to 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:20:16
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     have a problem with that but I think you 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:20:18
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     ► 
     know even even I who do not follow space 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:20:21
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     ► 
     very much know that like their time is 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:20:24
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     ► 
     incredibly regulated on there like they 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:20:27
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     ► 
     are so scheduled that my you know maybe 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:20:30
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     ► 
     I'm wrong but I'd be willing to bet my 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:20:32
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     entire net worth that those things are 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:20:35
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     scheduled zaniness right for PR purposes 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:20:38
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     that that's what it is and and I think 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:20:42
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     that that that's the the feedback that 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:20:44
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     you were getting is the idea like if 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:20:46
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     it's genuine than you you are like a 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:20:48
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     ► 
     monster but if it's scheduled zaniness 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:20:50
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     like that's a very different that's a 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:20:53
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     very different thing yeah if these 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:20:55
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     ► 
     people you know took this stuff up 
     
     
  
 
 
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     because they wanted to do something for 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:20:58
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     their own kids or something mm-hmm okay 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:21:00
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     ► 
     if you want to go with that story you 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:21:03
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     ► 
     can go with it but like they're there in 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:21:04
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     the they're there in the PR position all 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:21:07
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     those like the group in front of the TV 
     
     
  
 
 
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     camera the sheduled downlink like this 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:21:12
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     was not something that just happened and 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:21:13
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     ► 
     someone down at Mission Control said oh 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:21:15
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     that's classic let's let's grab this for 
     
     
  
 
 
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     the cameras as well yeah like this was a 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:21:19
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     ► 
     no this wasn't what a magical Stefani's 
     
     
  
 
 
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     ► 
     moment the other argument that really 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:21:23
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     all the arguments people were making I 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:21:25
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     didn't really agree with but you know 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:21:26
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     ► 
     you know it's a bit unfair I have the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:21:28
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     ► 
     microphone so it's not fair that I just 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:21:30
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     ► 
     you know they have to have their say as 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:21:32
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     ► 
     well and I and I have read their say but 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:21:34
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     ► 
     this whole thing about our even 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:21:36
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     ► 
     astronauts need to relax and decompress 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:21:37
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     ► 
     and do fun things like of course that of 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:21:40
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     ► 
     course and astronauts have do have a lot 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:21:42
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     ► 
     of time off on the space station and 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:21:44
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     their time off is very protected by the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:21:46
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     ► 
     way like getting getting you know 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:21:48
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     ► 
     getting someone to do work on the space 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:21:50
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     ► 
     station during their break is a is a big 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:21:52
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     ► 
     deal they do have a lot of their own 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:21:53
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     ► 
     time and films and things to do and and 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:21:57
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     ► 
     the other thing that again was driving 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:22:00
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     me a bit crazy was this whole inspiring 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:22:02
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     ► 
     kids like I don't think that's the way 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:22:06
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     ► 
     to inspire kids to become an astronaut 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:22:08
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     ► 
     and if it effect 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:22:09
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     ► 
     is the way to inspire kids to become an 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:22:11
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     ► 
     astronaut I'm a bit worried about the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:22:13
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     ► 
     sort of people who want to become 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:22:13
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     ► 
     astronauts oh my god like like people 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:22:16
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     ► 
     are saying are some kid dressed as 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:22:18
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     ► 
     spider-man we'll take a lot of 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:22:19
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     ► 
     inspiration from seeing an astronaut 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:22:22
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     ► 
     dressed up as spider-man that was crap 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:22:23
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     ► 
     kids dress up as astronauts that's what 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:22:26
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     ► 
     kids dressing up spider-man so anyway 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:22:34
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     ► 
     anyway look I don't want to like dredge 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:22:35
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     ► 
     it all up again I've read all the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:22:37
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     ► 
     feedback and like I get that people 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:22:39
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     ► 
     disagree and I'm yet to read something 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:22:43
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     ► 
     that has made me change my mind I think 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:22:45
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     ► 
     I have dealt with astronauts and 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:22:48
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     ► 
     International Space Station things 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:22:50
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     ► 
     before and they are very tightly 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:22:54
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     ► 
     controlled all the photos and the videos 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:22:56
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     ► 
     that come down anything that's publicly 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:22:58
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     ► 
     released has layers upon layers of 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:23:01
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     ► 
     bureaucracy involved and if you think 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:23:04
     ◼
      
     ► 
     this was just a bunch of cheeky 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:23:05
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     ► 
     astronauts doing something for fun and 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:23:06
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     ► 
     then saying look what we did know when 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:23:08
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     ► 
     you what we were up to maybe you're 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:23:10
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     ► 
     right I don't know I don't know the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:23:12
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     ► 
     actual details of this case but I would 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:23:14
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     ► 
     be very very surprised by that there is 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:23:18
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     ► 
     an item in our show notes which I think 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:23:19
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     ► 
     is maybe one of the oldest things in our 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:23:22
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     ► 
     show notes that I know I listed in one 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:23:23
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     ► 
     of them for like their first 10 episodes 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:23:25
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     ► 
     which was this this very idea of like 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:23:28
     ◼
      
     ► 
     inspiring someone to become an astronaut 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:23:31
     ◼
      
     ► 
     and like I just will never actually 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:23:34
     ◼
      
     ► 
     really do it as a full topic so I'll 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:23:35
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     ► 
     just mention it now but like I find that 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:23:37
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     ► 
     stuff raising making because it we you 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:23:41
     ◼
      
     ► 
     know my feeling is always like guess 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:23:44
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     ► 
     what hard things are hard you want to 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:23:46
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     ► 
     become an astronaut it's hard like this 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:23:49
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     ► 
     is one of the hardest career paths you 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:23:51
     ◼
      
     ► 
     could go down and I remember there's 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:23:54
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     ► 
     like so much in in the sciences of this 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:23:57
     ◼
      
     ► 
     this idea of like we want to encourage 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:23:59
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     ► 
     more people to do physics and it's like 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:24:02
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     ► 
     what's your plan how do you want to make 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:24:03
     ◼
      
     ► 
     more people do physics right because 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:24:04
     ◼
      
     ► 
     physics graduates are super valuable and 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:24:06
     ◼
      
     ► 
     the answer was always the same thing the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:24:08
     ◼
      
     ► 
     answer was oh well we're going to 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:24:10
     ◼
      
     ► 
     inspire more people to go into physics 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:24:11
     ◼
      
     ► 
     by dumbing down the physics right by 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:24:13
     ◼
      
     ► 
     doing all kinds of demos and flashy 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:24:16
     ◼
      
     ► 
     stuff that has nothing to do with what 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:24:20
     ◼
      
     ► 
     actual physics is 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:24:22
     ◼
      
     ► 
     and okay if this even works it's just a 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:24:26
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     ► 
     it's just a trick right like the you you 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:24:29
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     are hood winking someone into a career 
     
     
  
 
 
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     in which they're totally gonna fail or 
     
     
  
 
 
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     do poorly because like guess what 
     
     
  
 
 
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     physics is actually a whole bunch bunch 
     
     
  
 
 
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     of math and I like I feel so strongly 
     
     
  
 
 
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     about it because like the whole reason 
     
     
  
 
 
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     why as a kid I felt quote inspired to go 
     
     
  
 
 
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     into physics was precisely because it 
     
     
  
 
 
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     felt like a sanctuary of like oh thank 
     
     
  
 
 
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     god like here's a subject that is just 
     
     
  
 
 
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     hard but it's also clear and crisp and 
     
     
  
 
 
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     there's no ambiguity and there's no 
     
     
  
 
 
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     nonsense and so I always worry that this 
     
     
  
 
 
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     kind of stuff actually pushes away the 
     
     
  
 
 
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     kinds of people that you want to go into 
     
     
  
 
 
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     those fields and and anybody that it 
     
     
  
 
 
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     encourages it's not actually helpful 
     
     
  
 
 
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     like I totally agree with you like if 
     
     
  
 
 
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     some kid sees an astronaut dressed up as 
     
     
  
 
 
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     spider-man and decides that he's going 
     
     
  
 
 
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     to become an astronaut based on that 
     
     
  
 
 
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     like that kids not gonna be an astronaut 
     
     
  
 
 
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     it's not gonna happen no they're 
     
     
  
 
 
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     probably not cut from the right cloth 
     
     
  
 
 
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     yeah I mean III could I can see a 
     
     
  
 
 
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     counter-argument I can see a 
     
     
  
 
 
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     counter-argument that maybe there will 
     
     
  
 
 
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     be a bunch of people who will be reached 
     
     
  
 
 
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     by this photo that had never considered 
     
     
  
 
 
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     aerospace before and this is the this 
     
     
  
 
 
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     was the tiny little spark that lit the 
     
     
  
 
 
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     fire when they looked into it further 
     
     
  
 
 
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     they found other things that were more 
     
     
  
 
 
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     legitimate about aerospace that appealed 
     
     
  
 
 
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     to them so I think there is a an 
     
     
  
 
 
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     alternative argument but the thing is 
     
     
  
 
 
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     astronaut is a job that hasn't even got 
     
     
  
 
 
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     that problem because the best renautas 
     
     
  
 
 
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     like go and go in massive fiery rockets 
     
     
  
 
 
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     in there in this extreme environment 
     
     
  
 
 
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     everything about the astronaut job is 
     
     
  
 
 
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     quite kind of you know sexy anyway it's 
     
     
  
 
 
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     not like it's not like a job where 
     
     
  
 
 
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     there's like a paucity of applicants 
     
     
  
 
 
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     yeah I'm willing to bet there are way 
     
     
  
 
 
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     more people applying to at at school 
     
     
  
 
 
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     then astronaut school let's in it's 
     
     
  
 
 
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     really really hard to become an 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:26:21
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     astronaut because everybody wants to do 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:26:23
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     it so they don't they have no PR problem 
     
     
  
 
 
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     here right and also and so you know do 
     
     
  
 
 
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     you think people want to become 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:26:30
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     basketballs because they once saw 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Michael Jordan dress up as spider-man no 
     
     
  
 
 
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     they saw him playing 
     
     
  
 
 
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     basket ball and thought well playing 
     
     
  
 
 
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     basketball looks awesome I want to be a 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:26:40
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     ► 
     basketball er it's the same for the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:26:42
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     ► 
     astronauts just being astronauts is cool 
     
     
  
 
 
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     enough but there is this weird idea like 
     
     
  
 
 
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     oh we're gonna get people go do a thing 
     
     
  
 
 
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     by showing them the thing in a way that 
     
     
  
 
 
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     it isn't it's like that's the terrible 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:26:53
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     idea but yeah the astronauts cool wing 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:26:56
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     ► 
     oversubscribed I think they're turning a 
     
     
  
 
 
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     lot of people away at the gate or like 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I'm sorry we can't let you interact not 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:27:01
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     school because so many people who are 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:27:03
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     applying go like guess what we need to 
     
     
  
 
 
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     take the best of the best like you need 
     
     
  
 
 
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     to be super smart and an incredible 
     
     
  
 
 
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     physical condition in order to get into 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:27:12
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     ► 
     astronaut school it's a fright stuff 
     
     
  
 
 
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     psycho up hello Internet is there a 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:27:17
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     career that you want to inspire kids to 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:27:20
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     go into well the best way you're going 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:27:22
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     to reach the kids these days or anybody 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:27:25
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     is by building a website and as you know 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:27:28
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     there's only one place you want to go to 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:27:32
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     build your website and that's 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Squarespace Squarespace is the 
     
     
  
 
 
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     all-in-one solution that allows you to 
     
     
  
 
 
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     head that you want to turn into a 
     
     
  
 
 
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     website you can use Squarespace to take 
     
     
  
 
 
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	 00:27:53
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     blog or publish other serialized content 
     
     
  
 
 
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     ► 
     perhaps a podcast even or sell products 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:28:01
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     Squarespace makes this easy to do by 
     
     
  
 
 
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     functionality that lets you sell 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and figure out how to properly close 
     
     
  
 
 
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     that blink tag with Squarespace nope 
     
     
  
 
 
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     if you have any trouble at all just 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Squarespace think it dream it make it 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:29:02
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     ► 
     last episode I asked feedback on whether 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:29:05
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     or not normal 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:29:06
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     ► 
     photography settings can trigger an 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:29:09
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     ► 
     epileptic seizure and I'm here to report 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:29:12
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     ► 
     that the feedback I received was exactly 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:29:15
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     ► 
     zero items of feedback right nothing 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:29:18
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     ► 
     I heard absolutely nothing and what are 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:29:21
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     ► 
     you saying he's saying people with 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:29:22
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     ► 
     epilepsy are not interactive yes Brady 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:29:26
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     ► 
     that's the correct no whatever are lazy 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:29:30
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     you are lazy people with epilepsy you 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:29:32
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     ► 
     should be on the reddit helping us out 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:29:34
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     on a podcast if you ask her feedback and 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:29:36
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     ► 
     and you know the audience is hello in 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:29:38
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     ► 
     chat audience like you're gonna get a 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:29:39
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     ► 
     lot of feedback I think there is 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:29:41
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     probably nothing that people would love 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:29:43
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     ► 
     to talk about more than their own 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:29:45
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     ► 
     medical problems like so you're asking 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:29:46
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     ► 
     for medical problem feedback it's like 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:29:48
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     ► 
     BAM people love that conversation right 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:29:50
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     ► 
     like let me tell you all about all my 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:29:52
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     ► 
     medical problems right they're like oh 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:29:53
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     ► 
     my god I have a cousin with his exact 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:29:54
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     ► 
     medical problem so my feeling that like 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:29:57
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     ► 
     I heard nothing just just yeah 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:30:00
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     ► 
     tumbleweeds on an infinite Oasis it was 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:30:03
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     ► 
     it was nothing it just 100% confirmed to 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:30:06
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     ► 
     me that this is one of these many fake 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:30:08
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     ► 
     safety things right that someone has the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:30:11
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     ► 
     idea that this can occur this is the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:30:14
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     camera flashes this is the camera single 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:30:17
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     camera flashes causing a problem during 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:30:18
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     school photos yeah that this this idea 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:30:21
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     ► 
     is written down because someone just 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:30:23
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     ► 
     thinks it's a possibility and then it 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:30:26
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     ► 
     it's like an idea that spreads and 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:30:29
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     ► 
     metastasizes across a whole variety of 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:30:32
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     ► 
     industries because nobody wants to be 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:30:34
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     ► 
     the person who contradicts the idea that 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:30:36
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     like a camera flash can cause an 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:30:39
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     ► 
     epileptic seizure 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:30:40
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     ► 
     so maybe I'm wrong maybe this week will 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:30:43
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     ► 
     be the actual feedback but I'm I'm 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:30:45
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     ► 
     guessing not I'm guessing not on that 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:30:46
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     ► 
     one fake safety and by the way all the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:30:49
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     people who have admonished gray and I 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:30:52
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     ► 
     for causing a problem in their 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:30:55
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     productivity and workflow because we 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:30:59
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     you will get no apology from us because 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:31:02
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     we could not have warned you anymore 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:31:04
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     that that game would take a lot of your 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:31:05
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     ► 
     time but my goodness a lot of people 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:31:07
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     ► 
     seem to have gotten into that oh my god 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:31:09
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     ► 
     I have to say I did really enjoy that 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:31:11
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     ► 
     because because I feel like this has 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:31:14
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     ► 
     happened enough in my own life I'm 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:31:15
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     ► 
     minding my own business and then 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:31:17
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     something blows a tremendous 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:31:19
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     productivity hole right through the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:31:21
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     ► 
     center of my life I like I think 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:31:23
     ◼
      
     ► 
     everybody knows this experience and I 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:31:25
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     did get some some unreasonable amount of 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:31:28
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     ► 
     joy from seeing all the people replying 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:31:29
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     ► 
     on Twitter saying like I know that you 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:31:31
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     ► 
     warned me but nonetheless I had no idea 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:31:34
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     ► 
     right it's like I've lost two days so I 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:31:37
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     ► 
     feel like we were 100% in the clear on 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:31:39
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     ► 
     that because yes we could we could not 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:31:41
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     ► 
     have warned more clearly but people 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:31:43
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     still click the button and many of them 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:31:45
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     click the button in situations that they 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:31:47
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     ► 
     totally knew they should have clicked it 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:31:49
     ◼
      
     ► 
     but there you go 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:31:50
     ◼
      
     ► 
     so universal paper clips it is spreading 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:31:55
     ◼
      
     ► 
     replicating throughout the world I had a 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:31:57
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     nice little bit of feedback because the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:31:59
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     ► 
     person who made the game he this is 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:32:02
     ◼
      
     ► 
     Frank lat Frank Lance and he tweeted to 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:32:06
     ◼
      
     ► 
     the soon after the podcast came out I 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:32:08
     ◼
      
     ► 
     can't believe I got the numberphile guy 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:32:10
     ◼
      
     ► 
     I'm so happy 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:32:11
     ◼
      
     ► 
     oh that's great that's great so he feels 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:32:16
     ◼
      
     ► 
     like he's fishing in the world as well 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:32:18
     ◼
      
     ► 
     right he was like who else didn't I 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:32:19
     ◼
      
     ► 
     catch in my book I told him that he was 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:32:23
     ◼
      
     ► 
     responsible for probably preventing the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:32:25
     ◼
      
     ► 
     release of possibly two numberphile 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:32:27
     ◼
      
     ► 
     videos as a result of making that game 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:32:29
     ◼
      
     ► 
     yeah that's good Oh actually you know 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:32:32
     ◼
      
     ► 
     what there is something that was really 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:32:33
     ◼
      
     ► 
     grinding my gears over the feedback on 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:32:35
     ◼
      
     ► 
     this but I just want to mention before I 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:32:36
     ◼
      
     ► 
     forget and it was this okay so listeners 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:32:41
     ◼
      
     ► 
     I need to explain something about 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:32:42
     ◼
      
     ► 
     podcasts and conversations to you right 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:32:44
     ◼
      
     ► 
     now just just because a thing is not 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:32:49
     ◼
      
     ► 
     explicitly mentioned does not mean that 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:32:52
     ◼
      
     ► 
     Brady and I do not know about the thing 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:32:54
     ◼
      
     ► 
     and I I saw so many comments from people 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:32:58
     ◼
      
     ► 
     who were saying a variation of I can't 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:33:01
     ◼
      
     ► 
     believe that gray doesn't know about cow 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:33:04
     ◼
      
     ► 
     clicker games or Idol games like I can't 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:33:06
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     believe he's never come across one of 
     
     
  
 
 
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     these things before that is outrageous 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and shocking to me that he's never seen 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     in this genre before how ridiculous and 
     
     
  
 
 
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     they're like showing me a bunch of these 
     
     
  
 
 
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     different things I feel like like when 
     
     
  
 
 
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     we were having that conversation I was 
     
     
  
 
 
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     making reference to these other like 
     
     
  
 
 
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     game mechanics that are quite cheap 
     
     
  
 
 
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     that's like guys that start was 
     
     
  
 
 
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     referring to or even even if I didn't 
     
     
  
 
 
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     say that is that it's like yes it would 
     
     
  
 
 
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     be quite shocking if someone who likes 
     
     
  
 
 
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     games a lot had never come across one of 
     
     
  
 
 
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     these games but like the amount of 
     
     
  
 
 
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     feedback I don't know this just there's 
     
     
  
 
 
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     something about this that drives me 
     
     
  
 
 
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     crazy you know better than this by now 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I need internet exists for people to try 
     
     
  
 
 
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     to say they know something that someone 
     
     
  
 
 
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     else does I know I know 
     
     
  
 
 
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     but I'll just as I'm saying it out loud 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I'm just realizing I have to reek at 
     
     
  
 
 
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     agura's this in my mind as the that you 
     
     
  
 
 
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     forgot to mention feedback on videos 
     
     
  
 
 
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     right which also drives me crazy or it's 
     
     
  
 
 
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     like yeah yeah I started with 20,000 
     
     
  
 
 
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     words and I went down to a thousand 
     
     
  
 
 
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     words like you trust me I didn't forget 
     
     
  
 
 
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     to mention a thing like the most obvious 
     
     
  
 
 
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     thing so the only thing that would have 
     
     
  
 
 
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     been more annoying is if someone said oh 
     
     
  
 
 
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     this is stupid podcast X talked about 
     
     
  
 
 
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     this game three weeks ago someone else 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:34:18
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     has already spoken about this therefore 
     
     
  
 
 
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     it is forbidden to speak about it ever 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     yeah yeah that would be another kind of 
     
     
  
 
 
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     feedback so I just I just want to 
     
     
  
 
 
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     mention right now like I have played a 
     
     
  
 
 
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     lot of these kind of games and I don't 
     
     
  
 
 
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     like all of them if if you listen to 
     
     
  
 
 
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     ► 
     that section about Universal paperclips 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and you were thinking oh this is just 
     
     
  
 
 
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     ► 
     another one of these clicker type games 
     
     
  
 
 
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     ► 
     I just want to make it really clear this 
     
     
  
 
 
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     game validates the existence of the 
     
     
  
 
 
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     entire genre which i think is mostly 
     
     
  
 
 
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     boring and a kind of a kind of 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:34:53
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     ► 
     psychological unfun this trap but like 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:34:56
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     ► 
     this game is different so if you heard 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:34:58
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     ► 
     that and you didn't didn't try it 
     
     
  
 
 
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     because you know what kind of game were 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:35:02
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     ► 
     talking about try it anyway like I 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:35:05
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     really really think this is this is the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:35:08
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     ► 
     diamond in the rough before this genre 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:35:10
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     ► 
     can I plug something of mine what would 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:35:12
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     ► 
     you like to plug Grady I want to plug 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:35:14
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     ► 
     one of my oldest youtube channels which 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:35:17
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     ► 
     is periodic videos which is my chemistry 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:35:20
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     ► 
     youtube channel mmm and I want to plug 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:35:22
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     ► 
     it for a very specific reason and that 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:35:23
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     ► 
     is Professor Sir Martin Polyakov 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:35:27
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     who is the star of most of the videos 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:35:29
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     ► 
     he's the professor with the big fuzzy 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:35:32
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     ► 
     gray hair I've been working with him for 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:35:34
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     ► 
     many many years he's a dear friend he's 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:35:37
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     ► 
     also he's also responsible for a lot of 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:35:40
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     ► 
     my other subsequent work like he's been 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:35:43
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     ► 
     a key plank in a lot of my channels 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:35:45
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     ► 
     getting to where they've gotten so he's 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:35:46
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     ► 
     been a very important part of my youtube 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:35:48
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     ► 
     career he is turning 70 years old in the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:35:54
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     ► 
     next week or two as we are recording now 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:35:56
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     ► 
     I think let me check his birthday yeah 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:35:59
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     ► 
     16th of December 16th of December on the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:36:02
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     ► 
     16th of December he is turning 70 this 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:36:06
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     ► 
     is in the in the year 2017 if you're 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:36:09
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     ► 
     listening in the far future so and like 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:36:13
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     ► 
     you know I don't we don't get each other 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:36:15
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     ► 
     birthday presents or anything but if 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:36:16
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     ► 
     there's one thing that sir Martin is 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:36:19
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     ► 
     truly obsessed with it is periodic 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:36:23
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     ► 
     videos youtube channel statistics hey 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:36:26
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     ► 
     like he follows them much more than a 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:36:28
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     ► 
     distinguished professor with 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:36:30
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     ► 
     responsibility and anytime we reach any 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:36:34
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     ► 
     milestone or are about to reach any 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:36:36
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     ► 
     milestone or anything happens across 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:36:38
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     ► 
     numerous videos he'll be like well this 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:36:40
     ◼
      
     ► 
     video we made two years ago just passed 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:36:42
     ◼
      
     ► 
     a million views and LU like he's he's 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:36:45
     ◼
      
     ► 
     watching it day and night he's got his 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:36:46
     ◼
      
     ► 
     eye on the ball he's got his eye on the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:36:48
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     ► 
     bowl and almost exactly on his 70th 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:36:53
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     ► 
     birthday periodic videos the channel is 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:36:55
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     ► 
     due to hit you know probably the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:36:57
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     ► 
     milestone of milestones that our YouTube 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:36:59
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     ► 
     channel hits and that is 1 million 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:37:02
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     ► 
     subscribers yeah that's the big one 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:37:04
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     ► 
     that's a big one that's that's the one 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:37:07
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     ► 
     that people make a song and dance about 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:37:08
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     ► 
     and they give you a gold button etc yeah 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:37:09
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     ► 
     I think that I think the million 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:37:11
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     ► 
     subscribers is a bigger deal than the 10 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:37:13
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     ► 
     million subscribers buy a lot like that 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:37:15
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     ► 
     that is the biggest milestone that a 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:37:17
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     ► 
     channel can cross yeah 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:37:19
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     ► 
     martin is excited about this upcoming 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:37:23
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     ► 
     thing and he has noted that it could 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:37:25
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     ► 
     have happened on his birthday although 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:37:28
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     ► 
     looking at sort of some of the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:37:29
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     ► 
     projections and the statistics our our 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:37:32
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     ► 
     projected million subscriber number has 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:37:35
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     ► 
     now drifted out slightly to slightly 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:37:36
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     ► 
     beyond his birthday 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:37:38
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     ► 
     where my plea to the hello internet 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:37:39
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     ► 
     listeners this comes in if you have a 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:37:42
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     ► 
     YouTube account and your YouTube person 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:37:44
     ◼
      
     ► 
     and you haven't subscribed to periodic 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:37:46
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     ► 
     videos but you think maybe you would or 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:37:49
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     ► 
     you've never looked at it and it might 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:37:50
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     ► 
     interest you now would be a really nice 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:37:52
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     ► 
     time for you to do it for me because I 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:37:55
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     ► 
     would love to skate close to a million 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:37:57
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     ► 
     in time for his birthday I think maybe 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:37:59
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     ► 
     we won't quite do it but I I would like 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:38:01
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     ► 
     to try and this is my play I'm not 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:38:04
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     ► 
     asking you to subscribe to the channel 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:38:05
     ◼
      
     ► 
     if like you're aware of it and dislike 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:38:08
     ◼
      
     ► 
     it and what nothing to do with fair 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:38:12
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     ► 
     enough there's not much I can say that 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:38:13
     ◼
      
     ► 
     but if you've never looked at her or you 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:38:15
     ◼
      
     ► 
     or you'd like it but you just never got 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:38:17
     ◼
      
     ► 
     around to subscribing to it and you you 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:38:18
     ◼
      
     ► 
     are ever likely to now is a good time to 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:38:21
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     ► 
     do it because I'd like to get close for 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:38:23
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     ► 
     Sir Martin's birthday because he's he's 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:38:25
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     ► 
     he means a lot to me yeah and I think 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:38:27
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     ► 
     this is this is a good time to dimension 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:38:29
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     ► 
     the the channel to try to hit this mark 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:38:31
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     ► 
     because if you listen back at at earlier 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:38:34
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     ► 
     shows you can hear me sometimes 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:38:35
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     ► 
     speculate about who on earth would be 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:38:37
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     ► 
     listening to this podcast who doesn't 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:38:38
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     ► 
     know our YouTube channels I am aware 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:38:41
     ◼
      
     ► 
     that that over time that ratio has 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:38:44
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     ► 
     drifted that we do have more and more 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:38:47
     ◼
      
     ► 
     listeners who have come across the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:38:49
     ◼
      
     ► 
     podcast and really don't know very much 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:38:52
     ◼
      
     ► 
     about our YouTube careers in any way so 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:38:55
     ◼
      
     ► 
     if you are also one of those listeners 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:38:57
     ◼
      
     ► 
     now who back in the early days I suspect 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:39:00
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     ► 
     it couldn't possibly exist but now I do 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:39:02
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     ► 
     know exists in serious numbers this is 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:39:05
     ◼
      
     ► 
     an excellent time to go check out 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:39:06
     ◼
      
     ► 
     periodic videos and go subscribe right 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:39:09
     ◼
      
     ► 
     and and take a look at take a look at 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:39:11
     ◼
      
     ► 
     that channel if you are one of those 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:39:13
     ◼
      
     ► 
     listeners who knows the podcast and 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:39:15
     ◼
      
     ► 
     doesn't follow our YouTube channels go 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:39:16
     ◼
      
     ► 
     go subscribe to periodic videos go check 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:39:19
     ◼
      
     ► 
     it out go to go take a look at it it's a 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:39:21
     ◼
      
     ► 
     it's a it's a channel that's going 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:39:23
     ◼
      
     ► 
     through a bit of a change at the moment 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:39:25
     ◼
      
     ► 
     to for me it's it's something that I've 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:39:28
     ◼
      
     ► 
     been starting to think differently about 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:39:29
     ◼
      
     ► 
     this particular channel it's one of my 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:39:31
     ◼
      
     ► 
     oldest and it's funny and I know you've 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:39:33
     ◼
      
     ► 
     been going through a little bit of this 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:39:34
     ◼
      
     ► 
     too maybe with your channel but when you 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:39:35
     ◼
      
     ► 
     do a youtube channel for a long time you 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:39:38
     ◼
      
     ► 
     occasionally go through I don't know 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:39:39
     ◼
      
     ► 
     it's like the YouTube equivalent of like 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:39:41
     ◼
      
     ► 
     a midlife crisis and you start and you 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:39:43
     ◼
      
     ► 
     start thinking where am I going what am 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:39:45
     ◼
      
     ► 
     i doing what's the point of this and a 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:39:47
     ◼
      
     ► 
     lot of my channels have sort of been 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:39:48
     ◼
      
     ► 
     continuing business as usual but 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:39:50
     ◼
      
     ► 
     periodic videos as one 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:39:51
     ◼
      
     ► 
     really revisiting in my head at the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:39:53
     ◼
      
     ► 
     moment so it's an interesting time to be 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:39:56
     ◼
      
     ► 
     subscribing maybe okay so well how how 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:39:59
     ◼
      
     ► 
     old is periodic videos oh man 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:40:02
     ◼
      
     ► 
     I'll scared you'd ask that it looks like 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:40:05
     ◼
      
     ► 
     it started in June 2008 oh my god 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:40:09
     ◼
      
     ► 
     yeah okay in YouTube land that that's 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:40:12
     ◼
      
     ► 
     more than it's more than just a midlife 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:40:14
     ◼
      
     ► 
     crisis that's that's a pretty what you 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:40:17
     ◼
      
     ► 
     think I'm on death's door that's a WoW 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:40:20
     ◼
      
     ► 
     Wow I had I had no idea it was that old 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:40:24
     ◼
      
     ► 
     yeah that's very old okay right okay I'm 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:40:31
     ◼
      
     ► 
     sorry oh sorry let me rephrase that but 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:40:33
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     ► 
     you you are an established presence on 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:40:35
     ◼
      
     ► 
     YouTube that's that's for sure Brady you 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:40:37
     ◼
      
     ► 
     are you are very established with pure 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:40:39
     ◼
      
     ► 
     yo air would a statesman you are in the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:40:41
     ◼
      
     ► 
     elder statesman career transition of 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:40:44
     ◼
      
     ► 
     your channel what are you thinking of 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:40:45
     ◼
      
     ► 
     well the thing is the way period video 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:40:47
     ◼
      
     ► 
     started was making a video about every 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:40:49
     ◼
      
     ► 
     element on the periodic table right and 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:40:51
     ◼
      
     ► 
     that we did 118 really really quickly 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:40:54
     ◼
      
     ► 
     mm-hmm for various reasons like like I'm 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:40:56
     ◼
      
     ► 
     talking like six or seven weeks fast 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:40:59
     ◼
      
     ► 
     like so we we did a lot of videos really 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:41:01
     ◼
      
     ► 
     quickly on all the elements and a lot of 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:41:04
     ◼
      
     ► 
     them for that reason were kind of you 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:41:07
     ◼
      
     ► 
     know rushed and half-baked and some of 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:41:09
     ◼
      
     ► 
     them are just like you know 20 30 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:41:10
     ◼
      
     ► 
     seconds and not much is said and and 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:41:12
     ◼
      
     ► 
     then once the channel sort of became a 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:41:14
     ◼
      
     ► 
     little bit successful more than we 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:41:15
     ◼
      
     ► 
     expected we thought okay well I guess 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:41:18
     ◼
      
     ► 
     we'll keep this channel going now and 
     
     
  
 
 
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     let's redo all the elements so that was 
     
     
  
 
 
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     the plan we're gonna redo each element 
     
     
  
 
 
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     video and make them more elaborate more 
     
     
  
 
 
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     detail and more experiments to make them 
     
     
  
 
 
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     you know more of a thing to watch hmm 
     
     
  
 
 
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     but then as the channel kind of evolved 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and it became like a general chemistry 
     
     
  
 
 
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     channel not just about the elements we 
     
     
  
 
 
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     started doing other stuff and we started 
     
     
  
 
 
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     kind of you know drinking the the the 
     
     
  
 
 
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     addictive potion of the occasional viral 
     
     
  
 
 
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     video doing silly things and and and you 
     
     
  
 
 
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     know having travels and adventures and 
     
     
  
 
 
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     making all these chemistry videos and we 
     
     
  
 
 
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     could have only updated elements very 
     
     
  
 
 
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     occasionally mm-hmm and those videos 
     
     
  
 
 
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     have just kind of you know wallowed in 
     
     
  
 
 
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     history I mean they're they're really 
     
     
  
 
 
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     old now they're nearly 10 years old but 
     
     
  
 
 
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     away a lot of people visit the channel 
     
     
  
 
 
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     is to watch the element video isn't 
     
     
  
 
 
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     stuck going through the elements mhm and 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I've now realized that's bit 
     
     
  
 
 
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     embarrassing because it's like oh gosh 
     
     
  
 
 
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     some of these videos are really old they 
     
     
  
 
 
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     really low resolution there no any of 
     
     
  
 
 
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     the quality of the videos we'd make now 
     
     
  
 
 
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     so I've kind of really got it in my head 
     
     
  
 
 
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     no we need to abandon all this other 
     
     
  
 
 
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     frivolous stuff and get back to basics 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and redo all the element videos and I 
     
     
  
 
 
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     want almost all of our releases now to 
     
     
  
 
 
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     be you know a redux of an element video 
     
     
  
 
 
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     so that's what we've done the last few 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and that's what we're recording at the 
     
     
  
 
 
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     moment and these days when Sir Martin 
     
     
  
 
 
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     calls me up and says oh I've got a crazy 
     
     
  
 
 
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     idea for some experiment or some 
     
     
  
 
 
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     chemistry thing we're doing nine times 
     
     
  
 
 
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     out of ten I'm saying to him no no we 
     
     
  
 
 
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     are redoing the elements we're totally 
     
     
  
 
 
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     focusing on that and even though these 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:42:51
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     videos will never be viral in the way 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:42:54
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     ► 
     that dipping a cheeseburger and acid or 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:42:56
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     loving something up is likely to give 
     
     
  
 
 
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     you the occasional viral video I've kind 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:43:01
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     of said I'm not interested in that 
     
     
  
 
 
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     anymore I'm more interested in the 
     
     
  
 
 
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     legacy of these hundred and eighteen 
     
     
  
 
 
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     element videos and at the moment you 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:43:08
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     know some of them are just too outdated 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:43:10
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     ► 
     so that's where that's where I want to 
     
     
  
 
 
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     take the channel now and I think Martin 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and other people in the chemistry 
     
     
  
 
 
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     department at the University of 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:43:18
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     Nottingham are kind of on board with me 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:43:20
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     ► 
     on that so that's the new direction less 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:43:22
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     ► 
     less look at me like fun fun time things 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:43:26
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     ► 
     and more back to where we started so you 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:43:29
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     ► 
     are you are d viraling the channel yeah 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:43:35
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     ► 
     in a way yeah it's like yeah I'm I'm 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:43:37
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     less worried about I'm less worried 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:43:40
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     about sort of you count and hitting 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:43:43
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     hitting new people by being 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:43:44
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     ► 
     attention-seeking hmm you know there 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:43:47
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     will be there'll be no more dressing up 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:43:48
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     at Halloween this is kind of what I'm 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:43:51
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     ► 
     wondering right is it actually ties 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:43:52
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     quite nicely into the previous 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:43:54
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     conversation yeah you're not you're not 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:43:56
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     pulling these these stunts for the for 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:43:58
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     the chemistry PR department right yeah 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:44:00
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     you're doing you're doing some meat and 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:44:02
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     potatoes periodic video we revisiting 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:44:05
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     and look it looks like at the time of 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:44:07
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     recording you've done four of these 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:44:08
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     ► 
     these new ones so far 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:44:10
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     helium francium technician and nickel 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:44:13
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     yeah they're the most they're the most 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:44:14
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     recent ones and I've got chromium coming 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:44:17
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     up pretty shortly as well 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:44:18
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     yeah I mean I we have been updating 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:44:19
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     element of element videos all through 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:44:21
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     the project so occasionally we do drop 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:44:23
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     an element update but now that's what 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:44:25
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     all I want us to do hmm 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:44:27
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     so that eventually when people say whom 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:44:29
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     ► 
     I'm gonna sit back on what Shaw 118 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:44:31
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     ► 
     right all of them are gonna be good 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:44:32
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     ► 
     right at the moment some of them are 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:44:34
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     ► 
     good and people will say oh I can't 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:44:36
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     ► 
     believe your video on element X is like 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:44:38
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     ► 
     you know that's nowhere near as good as 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:44:39
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     ► 
     your other ones that's what I want to 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:44:41
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     ► 
     fix yeah well I'm looking a looking at 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:44:42
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     ► 
     your channel and the oldest one that's 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:44:46
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     ► 
     listed as an element video is Cobalts 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:44:49
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     from from nine years ago and in dramatic 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:44:54
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     480p resolution and what I really like 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:44:58
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     ► 
     is it's not even a full 480p because it 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:45:00
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     looks like you hard exported the black 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:45:03
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     bars around the video so it's actually 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:45:04
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     ► 
     in the it's in the center of the screen 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:45:07
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     ► 
     it's not taking up the full YouTube 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:45:08
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     ► 
     player so yeah I didn't I didn't do that 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:45:11
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     ► 
     though respectively like when you first 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:45:13
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     ► 
     watch that back in the day that would 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:45:15
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     ► 
     have taken up the whole screen but 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:45:16
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     ► 
     something changed at some point and a 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:45:18
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     ► 
     whole bunch of my videos suddenly got 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:45:19
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     ► 
     black bars all around them they're 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:45:21
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     ► 
     really old ones and you know that's only 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:45:23
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     ► 
     a minute forty long and me three hundred 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:45:26
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     ► 
     thousand people have watched it which 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:45:27
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     ► 
     I'm a bit embarrassed by now because 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:45:28
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     ► 
     people love going through and watching 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:45:30
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     ► 
     the whole collection and that's what I 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:45:31
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     want to change when people go through 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:45:33
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     ► 
     and watch the whole collection hmm 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:45:34
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     ► 
     because the thing I guess I haven't 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:45:36
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     pointed out is periodic videos also has 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:45:37
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     ► 
     its own website which is an entire 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:45:39
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     ► 
     periodic table and you can click on any 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:45:42
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     given element and watch the video on 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:45:44
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     ► 
     that element from YouTube so it's kind 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:45:46
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     ► 
     of like a you know picking chocolates 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:45:48
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     ► 
     from a chocolate box right so it is it 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:45:50
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     ► 
     is a kind of snacking channel in that 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:45:51
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     ► 
     way where people like to like get on a 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:45:54
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     ► 
     streak and go through the elements and 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:45:55
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     ► 
     that's where we get found out by the old 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:45:57
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     ► 
     videos of it so aren't you afraid though 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:45:59
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     ► 
     that if you if you diva roll the channel 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:46:01
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     ► 
     that you will fall on the on the bad 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:46:03
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     ► 
     side of the algorithm mm-hmm I had been 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:46:05
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     ► 
     thinking about that but I don't know I 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:46:07
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     ► 
     think I think I think of this channel 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:46:09
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     I don't think of this channel as like a 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:46:12
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     ► 
     business enterprise like that hmm so I 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:46:16
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     ► 
     don't worry about that I think I think 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:46:19
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     ► 
     this channel always has a different role 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:46:20
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     ► 
     to play do you think I'm doing the right 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:46:22
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     ► 
     thing well I don't know I here's the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:46:26
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     ► 
     thing Brady you you have what makes you 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:46:30
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     ► 
     different Brady and what makes 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:46:31
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     ► 
     special is you are a man with many 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:46:34
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     ► 
     YouTube channels so I think you unlike 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:46:38
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     ► 
     many other people who would be in the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:46:40
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     ► 
     YouTube space this like this is this is 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:46:42
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     ► 
     part of a periodic videos is like part 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:46:45
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     ► 
     of a Brady portfolio of channels and so 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:46:49
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     ► 
     I think you would have less to worry 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:46:52
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     ► 
     about if you were going to de vie roll a 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:46:55
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     ► 
     channel and and get sort of go back to 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:46:58
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     ► 
     basics go back to the beginning and and 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:46:59
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     ► 
     redo a bunch of stuff I don't think it's 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:47:04
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     ► 
     but but I feel more I feel more 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:47:07
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     ► 
     comfortable saying that because you have 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:47:10
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     ► 
     a bunch of other channels right and 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:47:12
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     ► 
     there but also the thing to bear in mind 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:47:13
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     with periodic videos is it does have 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:47:16
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     ► 
     like nearly a million subscribers so and 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:47:19
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     ► 
     although I'd never realized a lot of 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:47:21
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     ► 
     them and not active mmm and I also 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:47:23
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     ► 
     realize that subscribers don't 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:47:24
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     ► 
     necessarily mean everyone finds out 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:47:26
     ◼
      
     ► 
     about your videos I do feel like the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:47:28
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     ► 
     channels big enough that it can that it 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:47:32
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     ► 
     can give people just you know kind of 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:47:33
     ◼
      
     ► 
     what they signed up for and I don't have 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:47:35
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     ► 
     to worry about pandering to people who 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:47:38
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     ► 
     aren't interested like I feel a bit like 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:47:40
     ◼
      
     ► 
     I want to service the actual audience 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:47:43
     ◼
      
     ► 
     and not not be preoccupied with new 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:47:45
     ◼
      
     ► 
     audience so I'm saying some ways I'm 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:47:48
     ◼
      
     ► 
     happy just as I'm happy just to feed the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:47:51
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     ► 
     existing audience and hope that new 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:47:52
     ◼
      
     ► 
     audience comes on just gradually who 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:47:54
     ◼
      
     ► 
     appreciate it for what it is and not for 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:47:57
     ◼
      
     ► 
     you know crazy occasional craziness so 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:48:02
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     ► 
     okay I got to say that the new videos 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:48:04
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     ► 
     aren't gonna like have awesome 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:48:05
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     ► 
     explosions they're just not going to be 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:48:08
     ◼
      
     ► 
     they're just not going to be dressed up 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:48:09
     ◼
      
     ► 
     in that way they're gonna be more you 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:48:12
     ◼
      
     ► 
     know here's the elements brain it'll be 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:48:13
     ◼
      
     ► 
     cool stuff in the video the whole idea 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:48:15
     ◼
      
     ► 
     is that the video is that all the videos 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:48:17
     ◼
      
     ► 
     are cornea right right but it's not 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:48:18
     ◼
      
     ► 
     gonna be like you know as gimmicky well 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:48:23
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     ► 
     okay here's questions you you were doing 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:48:27
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     ► 
     explicit remakes of your old videos 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:48:30
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     ► 
     right now and I understand like is a 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:48:33
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     ► 
     very different very different thing from 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:48:35
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     ► 
     the way they were produced in the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:48:36
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     ► 
     beginning to the way that they're done 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:48:37
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     ► 
     now alright and this is like a long 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:48:39
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     ► 
     period of time and there are many 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:48:40
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     ► 
     factors here I almost don't want to say 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:48:42
     ◼
      
     ► 
     it I almost don't want to put the idea 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:48:43
     ◼
      
     ► 
     in your mind but do you have any 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:48:45
     ◼
      
     ► 
     worries that that there's some kind of 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:48:48
     ◼
      
     ► 
     magic to the earlier videos like that 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:48:52
     ◼
      
     ► 
     even though to your eye they seem like 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:48:55
     ◼
      
     ► 
     you as the Creator you can just see like 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:48:58
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     ► 
     oh this is older and and it's shorter 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:49:01
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     ► 
     like but do you think maybe that part of 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:49:03
     ◼
      
     ► 
     the reason that the channel is 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:49:04
     ◼
      
     ► 
     successful is because those earlier 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:49:06
     ◼
      
     ► 
     videos were produced the way they were 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:49:08
     ◼
      
     ► 
     and and and people like them and do you 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:49:11
     ◼
      
     ► 
     worry basically about replacing the old 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:49:13
     ◼
      
     ► 
     ones with the new ones that maybe it's 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:49:16
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     not quite the same I mean we're not 
     
     
  
 
 
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     taking down the old ones obviously 
     
     
  
 
 
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     undulating them there there is like 
     
     
  
 
 
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     version one hmm 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and when you say remake it's not like 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I'm doing like experiments that we did 
     
     
  
 
 
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     before we should be shooting them in 
     
     
  
 
 
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     most of the case we're replacing 45 
     
     
  
 
 
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     seconds of the guide talking it is desk 
     
     
  
 
 
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     with ten minutes of experiments and 
     
     
  
 
 
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     samples and better stories and no 
     
     
  
 
 
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     creation okay so it's not so the reap so 
     
     
  
 
 
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     calling like a remake it's not like a 
     
     
  
 
 
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     shot-for-shot remake of psycho or 
     
     
  
 
 
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     something like that it is more of a 
     
     
  
 
 
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     exactly what I had in my mind is like a 
     
     
  
 
 
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     shot-for-shot remake of psycho right 
     
     
  
 
 
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     it's like oh god it just doesn't work 
     
     
  
 
 
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     it's terribly poor yes it's not we're 
     
     
  
 
 
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     not doing that they are they are 
     
     
  
 
 
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     brand-new videos with all new stuff and 
     
     
  
 
 
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     new information but I think the charm of 
     
     
  
 
 
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     the old videos you know they were of 
     
     
  
 
 
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     their time and like you and they feel 
     
     
  
 
 
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     like they're off their time now people 
     
     
  
 
 
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     expect different things from YouTube 
     
     
  
 
 
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     videos now different production 
     
     
  
 
 
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     qualities different pacing different 
     
     
  
 
 
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     stuff in the videos and you know we 
     
     
  
 
 
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     became successful because no one else 
     
     
  
 
 
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     was doing it you know no one else was 
     
     
  
 
 
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     doing something as crazy as making a 
     
     
  
 
 
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     video about every single element but 
     
     
  
 
 
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     people expect different things now so 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I'm not I'm not worried about that I 
     
     
  
 
 
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     think the things that make the channel 
     
     
  
 
 
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     what it is are still there like a 
     
     
  
 
 
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     chattiness and the professor and seeing 
     
     
  
 
 
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     real stuff happening in real labs and 
     
     
  
 
 
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     real scientists talking and Martin's 
     
     
  
 
 
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     personality and and a kind of a homemade 
     
     
  
 
 
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     feel to them which I'm still keeping you 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:50:47
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     know it's not like I'm suddenly putting 
     
     
  
 
 
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     everything on tripods and making like a 
     
     
  
 
 
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     whole new look yes yeah trying to make 
     
     
  
 
 
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     them better yeah actually 
     
     
  
 
 
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     it's I think that's a good point that 
     
     
  
 
 
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     you make there because I 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I often I often find that some stuff 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:51:02
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     that I I watch like when when the 
     
     
  
 
 
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     upgrades like the new studio and it and 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:51:08
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     it becomes more professional it somehow 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:51:09
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     feels like oh it's not quite the same 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:51:11
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     right is it and yes it's it's good to 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:51:15
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     hear that you're you're you're keeping 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:51:17
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     that particular no it's still supposed 
     
     
  
 
 
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     to be unprofessional you know when 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:51:21
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     things go wrong it stays in the video 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:51:23
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     and you know those human moments are 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:51:25
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     staying in it's just it's more about 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:51:27
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     just making putting more in the videos 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:51:28
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     ► 
     and taking more time on the movie 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:51:30
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     because we're in such a rush the first 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:51:31
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     time and and now we're not in a rush 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:51:34
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     well if you're making them longer and 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:51:36
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     ► 
     then and the rumor is about the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:51:39
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     algorithm are true then maybe this is 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:51:41
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     this is the best move you could possibly 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:51:42
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     ► 
     make right thank you the YouTube 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:51:44
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     ► 
     algorithm apparently loves long videos 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:51:45
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     and keeping people on the on the site as 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:51:47
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     long as possible 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:51:48
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     so a hundred and eighteen fifteen to 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:51:52
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     twenty minute long videos that's a 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:51:53
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     that's a pretty pretty big chunk of 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:51:55
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     ► 
     people's time and attention that YouTube 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:51:57
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     could could could get from them people 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:51:59
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     ► 
     oh I say that but long videos are any 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:52:01
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     good at keeping people on the channel of 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:52:02
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     ► 
     people watch the long video yeah I know 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:52:06
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     ► 
     and I'm not I'm not very I'm not super 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:52:09
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     ► 
     convinced by that theory anyway 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:52:11
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     ► 
     is the CGP grey channel going through a 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:52:13
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     ► 
     midlife crisis yeah or you know it's an 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:52:15
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     ► 
     interesting thing because this summer I 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:52:19
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     ► 
     realized that YouTube is now the longest 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:52:24
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     ► 
     job I've ever had which was which is 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:52:27
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     ► 
     just a strange realization for me that's 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:52:31
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     ► 
     just happen to maintain oh yeah yeah huh 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:52:35
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     ► 
     how do you how do you feel about that 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:52:37
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     ► 
     strange no yeah my mental framework just 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:52:41
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     ► 
     does not match this I think it's partly 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:52:45
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     ► 
     because it felt like I was a teacher for 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:52:46
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     ► 
     forever that is a big mental landscape 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:52:50
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     ► 
     that that it's hard for me to feel like 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:52:54
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     ► 
     the YouTube time is now longer than that 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:52:58
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     ► 
     and it's also interesting even just 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:53:02
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     ► 
     thing like you know I mean a joke before 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:53:03
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     ► 
     about how long we've done this podcast 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:53:05
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     ► 
     but like we've been doing this podcast 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:53:06
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     ► 
     for quite a long time and I there's 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:53:08
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     ► 
     something that my brain just cannot 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:53:09
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     ► 
     place in these things where I still 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:53:13
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     ► 
     YouTube as the new projects right and 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:53:17
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     ► 
     and then hello internet as like oh the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:53:20
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     ► 
     new new project I was like but actually 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:53:22
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     ► 
     they've been going on for quite a while 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:53:23
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     ► 
     now and I just there's I wonder I almost 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:53:28
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     ► 
     wonder if in you know doublet so I've 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:53:32
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     ► 
     been doing the YouTube channel seriously 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:53:34
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     ► 
     for about six years now and I almost 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:53:37
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     ► 
     wonder like if I double that number will 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:53:40
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     ► 
     it still feel the same will it still 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:53:41
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     ► 
     feel like that this is still the the new 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:53:44
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     ► 
     thing it doesn't feel like you 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:53:45
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     ► 
     understand type thing yeah like it the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:53:47
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     ► 
     upstart type thing even though that is 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:53:49
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     ► 
     manifestly not true I don't know there's 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:53:52
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     ► 
     something about it that I just can't I 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:53:54
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     ► 
     just can't place correctly in my brain 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:53:58
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     ► 
     so I have a hard time thinking about it 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:54:00
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     ► 
     but when I realized it I found it really 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:54:03
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     ► 
     quite shocking and surprising to realize 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:54:05
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     ► 
     that that YouTube is now the longest job 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:54:08
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     ► 
     I have ever had 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:54:10
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     ► 
     do you think that surprise and feeling 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:54:12
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     ► 
     is likely to result in anything or will 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:54:13
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     ► 
     manifest itself in any way or it's just 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:54:15
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     ► 
     like a hmm okay back on with it what 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:54:18
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     ► 
     does that make you start thinking 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:54:19
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     ► 
     differently and think should I be doing 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:54:21
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     ► 
     this differently do I need to change 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:54:23
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     ► 
     things up or or do you just is it just 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:54:25
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     ► 
     like a little I think I have a different 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:54:28
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     ► 
     view of it because I don't know the way 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:54:31
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     ► 
     people describe my channel I feel like I 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:54:32
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     ► 
     have never I have never heard someone 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:54:34
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     ► 
     describe my YouTube channel in a way 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:54:36
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     ► 
     that I would agree with people say that 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:54:39
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     ► 
     it's a channel about history and I'd be 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:54:40
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     ► 
     like I don't even understand what do you 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:54:41
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     ► 
     mean by this er various ways that people 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:54:43
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     ► 
     have described what my youtube channel 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:54:44
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     ► 
     is like I just I've never come across 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:54:46
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     ► 
     the description that I actually feel 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:54:48
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     ► 
     like matches up with the way it is in my 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:54:50
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     ► 
     head and I can't really quite articulate 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:54:52
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     ► 
     the way it is in my head but I also feel 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:54:55
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     ► 
     like that the channel has naturally 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:54:59
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     ► 
     changed over time anyway like I forget 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:55:03
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     ► 
     what it is but it takes a long time 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:55:05
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     ► 
     before even the concept of stick figure 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:55:08
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     ► 
     me shows up in a video like that's 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:55:11
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     ► 
     suddenly a shift like that doing that 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:55:14
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     ► 
     kind of thing has a change in the way 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:55:16
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     ► 
     like oh I'm talking directly to the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:55:18
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     ► 
     audience now instead of this being like 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:55:21
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     ► 
     a literal slide show like it would be in 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:55:24
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     ► 
     a classroom so like that's 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:55:26
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     ► 
     that's just easy to point to but I feel 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:55:29
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     ► 
     like there's been a lot of little 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:55:30
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     ► 
     changes in evolutions over time but I 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:55:35
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     ► 
     don't know it's a it's a funny thing 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:55:37
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     ► 
     because in my head I feel like it's sort 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:55:39
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     ► 
     of it's sort of always changing and is 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:55:41
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     ► 
     always the same and I think that that's 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:55:44
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     ► 
     always the way it will be to any if the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:55:46
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     ► 
     changes that happen on your channel they 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:55:48
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     ► 
     for example the introduction of stick 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:55:50
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     ► 
     figure growing are they ever like lines 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:55:54
     ◼
      
     ► 
     in the sand like will you deliberately 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:55:56
     ◼
      
     ► 
     say okay it's time for something new I'm 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:55:58
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     ► 
     going to introduce a stick figure 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:55:59
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     ► 
     version of me because I want to change 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:56:00
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     ► 
     the emphasis to me talking out at the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:56:02
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     ► 
     viewers rather than us looking together 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:56:04
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     ► 
     at a slide show or do they happen just 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:56:07
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     ► 
     kind of accidentally and you do it once 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:56:09
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     ► 
     and think well that kind of worked I 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:56:11
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     ► 
     might try that again sometime and then 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:56:12
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     ► 
     after like 10 videos you're like oh well 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:56:15
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     ► 
     I guess that's the thing now yeah like 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:56:16
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     ► 
     are they because you seem like a guy who 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:56:18
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     ► 
     makes a lot of strategic deliberate 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:56:20
     ◼
      
     ► 
     decisions rather than just falls into 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:56:22
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     ► 
     things the stick figure me I remember 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:56:26
     ◼
      
     ► 
     what the video was but I do remember 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:56:28
     ◼
      
     ► 
     that that was trying to solve a 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:56:30
     ◼
      
     ► 
     particular problem in the way I was 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:56:32
     ◼
      
     ► 
     explaining something and also it was in 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:56:34
     ◼
      
     ► 
     in no small part a kind of envy of a lot 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:56:38
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     ► 
     of what other educational youtubers in 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:56:41
     ◼
      
     ► 
     the space can do where they like they 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:56:43
     ◼
      
     ► 
     can show you animations and interesting 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:56:45
     ◼
      
     ► 
     graphics to help an explanation and then 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:56:48
     ◼
      
     ► 
     they can just cut to them talking either 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:56:52
     ◼
      
     ► 
     when a visual is not needed or if it's a 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:56:56
     ◼
      
     ► 
     moment where it's a little bit abstract 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:56:58
     ◼
      
     ► 
     and what you would put on screen 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:57:00
     ◼
      
     ► 
     wouldn't necessarily line up with 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:57:01
     ◼
      
     ► 
     anything that you're talking about I I 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:57:03
     ◼
      
     ► 
     remember being quite envious of the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:57:06
     ◼
      
     ► 
     ability to do that cut to camera thing 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:57:09
     ◼
      
     ► 
     so that the stick introducing stick 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:57:11
     ◼
      
     ► 
     figure gray was was partly the ability 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:57:13
     ◼
      
     ► 
     to do that like oh I can cut to camera 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:57:15
     ◼
      
     ► 
     now and it's just me talking I would say 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:57:17
     ◼
      
     ► 
     the biggest the biggest line in the sand 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:57:21
     ◼
      
     ► 
     thing that I did do very intentionally 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:57:23
     ◼
      
     ► 
     was actually that las vegas vlog that i 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:57:27
     ◼
      
     ► 
     uploaded a little while ago that was 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:57:30
     ◼
      
     ► 
     very much a deliberate feeling of i want 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:57:35
     ◼
      
     ► 
     to put up something on the channel that 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:57:37
     ◼
      
     ► 
     is really different right that it's not 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:57:40
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     ► 
     oh I've done a serious video where gray 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:57:43
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     different from all of the others or a 
     
     
  
 
 
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     video like the trouble with transporters 
     
     
  
 
 
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     but all of those are still kind of the 
     
     
  
 
 
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     same like they're in the same family of 
     
     
  
 
 
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     the videos that I do but the vlog is 
     
     
  
 
 
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     also completely unexpected right if 
     
     
  
 
 
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     you've been following the history of the 
     
     
  
 
 
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     channel like it's it's weird to upload a 
     
     
  
 
 
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     vlog I did that partly just because I 
     
     
  
 
 
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     upload random things if I want to so 
     
     
  
 
 
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     that was a deliberate sort of thing it 
     
     
  
 
 
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     was also just interesting to see like 
     
     
  
 
 
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     how are people going to react to when I 
     
     
  
 
 
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     do something differently but I think 
     
     
  
 
 
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     maybe that's the closest one to that so 
     
     
  
 
 
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     that the line in the sand 
     
     
  
 
 
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     otherwise it's things just evolve over 
     
     
  
 
 
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     time I don't think anything in the 
     
     
  
 
 
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     entertainment industry can stay the same 
     
     
  
 
 
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     like I think stuff has to change you 
     
     
  
 
 
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     know even like you're you're redoing 
     
     
  
 
 
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     your videos right but you're you're 
     
     
  
 
 
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     changing the way they are because you 
     
     
  
 
 
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     like you want them to be updated for 
     
     
  
 
 
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     modern audience sensibilities and I 
     
     
  
 
 
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     think you also just have to change 
     
     
  
 
 
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     because the environment around you 
     
     
  
 
 
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     changes so when you look at a change to 
     
     
  
 
 
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     your channel for example the saying hey 
     
     
  
 
 
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     vlogs are a thing now too you know don't 
     
     
  
 
 
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     don't you do you think that's you being 
     
     
  
 
 
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     like super rational business gray saying 
     
     
  
 
 
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     you know to survive going forward and 
     
     
  
 
 
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     for the channel to grow and sustain I 
     
     
  
 
 
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     need to change and adapt or is it more 
     
     
  
 
 
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     an artistic thing like you know I want 
     
     
  
 
 
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     to spread my wings and not just be a guy 
     
     
  
 
 
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     who has to do animations and explaining 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and I don't want all I don't want to be 
     
     
  
 
 
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     constrained by your expectations of the 
     
     
  
 
 
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     channel is this a business rational 
     
     
  
 
 
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     decision you've made or is that an 
     
     
  
 
 
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     artistic decision I guess is what I'm 
     
     
  
 
 
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     saying I would say it's neither it's 
     
     
  
 
 
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     actually just a personal decision that I 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I feel like as people who follow my work 
     
     
  
 
 
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     may know I'm not a big fan of regularity 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and things always being the same and 
     
     
  
 
 
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     predictable and that vlog went up in no 
     
     
  
 
 
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     small part because I did feel like there 
     
     
  
 
 
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     was there had been too much 
     
     
  
 
 
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     predictability for too 
     
     
  
 
 
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     long on the channel and so I wanted to 
     
     
  
 
 
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     do a thing that was just totally out of 
     
     
  
 
 
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     left field I wish I could say oh wow was 
     
     
  
 
 
 
 
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     incredibly smart business decision but 
     
     
  
 
 
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     but it was by far and away like the 
     
     
  
 
 
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     worst business decision I ever made for 
     
     
  
 
 
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     the channel in terms of every metric I 
     
     
  
 
 
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     can possibly have putting up that vlog 
     
     
  
 
 
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     video was the worst thing I could do on 
     
     
  
 
 
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     every one of my spreadsheets it was 
     
     
  
 
 
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     really just something personally that I 
     
     
  
 
 
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     wanted to do just to just to have 
     
     
  
 
 
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     something up there that was different 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and established the possibility that 
     
     
  
 
 
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     like oh this can happen again in the 
     
     
  
 
 
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     future but as someone who seems to care 
     
     
  
 
 
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     so a little about what other people 
     
     
  
 
 
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     think why do you need to do that unless 
     
     
  
 
 
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     it's something you want to make you want 
     
     
  
 
 
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     to do like why do you why do you need to 
     
     
  
 
 
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     even put down that marker like but it's 
     
     
  
 
 
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     because it is something that I want to 
     
     
  
 
 
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     do right again it's alright you answer 
     
     
  
 
 
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     my question and it's like an artistic 
     
     
  
 
 
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     thing yeah I guess if you want to phrase 
     
     
  
 
 
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     it that way you could say it I don't 
     
     
  
 
 
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     mean like you're an artist but yeah yeah 
     
     
  
 
 
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     in an editorial decision rather than a 
     
     
  
 
 
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     business decision maybe yeah an 
     
     
  
 
 
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     editorial decision might be a better way 
     
     
  
 
 
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     to put it because I think it's it's 
     
     
  
 
 
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     partly there is something about the this 
     
     
  
 
 
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     idea turned out to be totally wrong but 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:01:09
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     I'll to specify what my thinking was at 
     
     
  
 
 
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     the time there is something limiting 
     
     
  
 
 
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     about the animation because it's so time 
     
     
  
 
 
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     intensive that it forced all's certain 
     
     
  
 
 
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     kinds of videos from being able to be 
     
     
  
 
 
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     made because you have to just have to 
     
     
  
 
 
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     say like if a video is going to be made 
     
     
  
 
 
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     like there's going to need to be an 
     
     
  
 
 
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     enormous amount of animation time and so 
     
     
  
 
 
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     my thinking was I'm gonna do a video 
     
     
  
 
 
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     that's a different kind of thing that 
     
     
  
 
 
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     can also possibly have a much shorter 
     
     
  
 
 
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     turnaround time because I don't need to 
     
     
  
 
 
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     animate every frame I'm just going to 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:01:43
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     film stuff now that sounds like a 
     
     
  
 
 
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     business decision 
     
     
  
 
 
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     no but it's I know why you say it's a 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:01:49
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     business decision but it's it's more a 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:01:50
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     question of like I want to make a 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:01:51
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     certain kind of video and up until this 
     
     
  
 
 
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     point the answer is okay well whatever 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:01:54
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     you're going to make it has to be an 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:01:56
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     animation and then that cuts off a huge 
     
     
  
 
 
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     number of possibilities yeah so I can 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:02:03
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     see why you're saying it sounds like a 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:02:04
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     business decision but it's much more a 
     
     
  
 
 
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     personal decision of I want to do a 
     
     
  
 
 
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     thing that maybe doesn't require all the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:02:11
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     animation and let me know it's Matt yeah 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 01:02:13
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     you want to make Michelangelo's David 
     
     
  
 
 
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     but you've all only ever done oil 
     
     
  
 
 
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     painting so now you've said no I'm gonna 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:02:18
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     try Scott yes instead they're deeming 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:02:20
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     quite high but yes the 30 an amazing 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:02:25
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     sculptor now but anyway joke was on me 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:02:28
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     that vlog took up way more time than 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:02:32
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     animation of this so I was really really 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:02:39
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     wrong about that estimation but I was 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:02:41
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     still I was still glad to do it I just 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:02:42
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     look that to do it but yeah maybe maybe 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:02:44
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     classifying it as an editorial decision 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:02:46
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     is a is a correct way to frame it 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:02:49
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     interesting stuff well your your channel 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:02:53
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     sounds interesting but just to get back 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:02:54
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     to the main points go unsubscribe to 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:02:56
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     periodic videos go check out the elder 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:02:59
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     statesman periodic videos and to remind 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:03:02
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     people you we would like to hit a 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:03:05
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     million subscribers by when is the date 
     
     
  
 
 
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     again breeding December 16 December 16 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:03:10
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     so now you're gonna break the poor 
     
     
  
 
 
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     little profs high if we fo show what 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:03:14
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     we'll see what we'll see what we can do 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:03:16
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     and I will I will do I will do my part 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:03:19
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     by promising to get this episode up 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:03:21
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     before up before December 15th at the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:03:25
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     very latest but die and like people 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:03:28
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     listening don't think oh I must go and 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:03:29
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     do that after the show pause the show 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:03:31
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     and do it now because I know you'll 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:03:32
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     forget yeah you're free good we'll 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 01:03:34
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     you're 100% forget do it now you know in 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:03:38
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     the fullness of time when I look back 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:03:40
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     over the many episodes of hello Internet 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:03:42
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     I think one of the greatest things I'll 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:03:45
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     take from this long and winding journey 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:03:47
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     will be my discovery of fracture that's 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:03:50
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     because this company which lets you 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:03:52
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     print photos directly onto glass pieces 
     
     
  
 
 
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     immediately ready for hanging and 
     
     
  
 
 
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     display has transformed my gift buying 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     anytime I'm stuck for a present idea I 
     
     
  
 
 
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     choose an appropriate photo for the 
     
     
  
 
 
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     right recipient upload it to fractures 
     
     
  
 
 
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     website and in no time the gift arrives 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and it always goes down a treat what mum 
     
     
  
 
 
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     or dad doesn't like a picture of their 
     
     
  
 
 
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     kids or grandkids to show off above the 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     what angler wouldn't like an 
     
     
  
 
 
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     immortalized image of that giant trout 
     
     
  
 
 
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     they caught on last month's fishing trip 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 01:04:26
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     get a bit meta here what Tim wouldn't 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:04:29
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     like a nail in gear steadily displayed 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:04:31
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     above their desk at work or now let's be 
     
     
  
 
 
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     fair a fractured flag e flag that could 
     
     
  
 
 
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     be carefully hung so that it doesn't 
     
     
  
 
 
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     accidentally fall onto that hard tiled 
     
     
  
 
 
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     floor and smash into a million pieces 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:04:45
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     because he wouldn't want that to happen 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:04:46
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     now as we record this episode with 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:04:49
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     Christmas fast approaching I'd seriously 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:04:52
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     consider this as your chance to put 
     
     
  
 
 
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     December 25 but a word of warning don't 
     
     
  
 
 
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     dilly-dally because my sources at the 
     
     
  
 
 
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     christmas thanks to fracture for 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:05:41
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     supporting the show i was only joking 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:05:43
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     about the flag flag like smashing on the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:05:46
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     floor I wouldn't want flag a flag to 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:05:48
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     smash on the floor I wouldn't want that 
     
     
  
 
 
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     great from following you on Twitter and 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:05:53
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     from following almost everyone on the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:05:55
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     world on Twitter not that I follow are 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:06:01
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     you one of those are you one of those 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:06:02
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     Brady is that what you're doing 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:06:07
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     pandering to Twitter that way I haven't 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:06:10
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     I haven't got to that stage so one thing 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:06:13
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     that causes endless frustration I know 
     
     
  
 
 
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     it causes you frustration is package 
     
     
  
 
 
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     deliveries from delivery companies and 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I've seen I've seen even the normally 
     
     
  
 
 
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     calm CGP grey who was reluctant to wield 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:06:27
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     his mighty power against corporations 
     
     
  
 
 
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     get particularly upset at a delivery 
     
     
  
 
 
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     company recently when they were 
     
     
  
 
 
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     they were doing what they do to me all 
     
     
  
 
 
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     the time and that is don't even ring 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:06:39
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     your doorbell or knock on your door and 
     
     
  
 
 
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     just drop the package and run or worse 
     
     
  
 
 
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     yet put a card through saying you 
     
     
  
 
 
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     weren't here and run which I absolutely 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:06:48
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     hate the card through the door that was 
     
     
  
 
 
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     those a was a charm charming days of 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:06:52
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     yore when I used to at least just get 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:06:54
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     the card through the door recently I've 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:06:56
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     been getting pure email notifications 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:06:59
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     now just like Oh which we tried to 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:07:03
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     deliver to your house but you weren't 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:07:04
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     home Chiqui sorry there's no proof 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:07:07
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     though even that well there is there's 
     
     
  
 
 
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     proof that they were there Brady which 
     
     
  
 
 
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     is a photograph of your front door at 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:07:13
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     least that's what it's supposed to be 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:07:15
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     but in every single one of emails I have 
     
     
  
 
 
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     ever gotten it is a photograph of what I 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:07:20
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     presume is just the inside of the 
     
     
  
 
 
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     delivery man's pocket it's is literally 
     
     
  
 
 
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     nothing that registers anything as proof 
     
     
  
 
 
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     on there so it's just I'm it's just a 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:07:29
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     lie right it's just a total 100% lie and 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     I did lose my cool over this a little 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:07:35
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     while ago and complained complained on 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:07:37
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     Twitter about package deliveries because 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:07:40
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     I I was waiting for something in 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 01:07:41
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     at home all day and of course they're 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:07:43
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     like oh you weren't you were at home you 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:07:45
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     weren't home yes I was you bastards 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:07:47
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     I was waiting all day Title I before 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:07:50
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     before we go any further though I do 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:07:51
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     want to get something on record here 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:07:52
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     which was I was very very careful in the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:07:56
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     way I was wording my complaint I just 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:07:58
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     want to get this out of the way before 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:07:59
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     we continue the conversation further I 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:08:01
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     do not think this is the delivery 
     
     
  
 
 
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     people's fault 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:08:07
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     my view of this is it is the company's 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:08:10
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     fault and whatever whatever way they are 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:08:15
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     arranging the incentives for the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:08:17
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     employees I think it's very easy to just 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:08:19
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     think oh these delivery drivers they're 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:08:21
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     so lazy and my first angry version of 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:08:24
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     the tweet was about lazy delivery 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:08:26
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     drivers this of course was back when we 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:08:28
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     had 140 characters and I had I had to 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:08:30
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     rethink it and then I phrased it in a 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:08:32
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     much better way to place blame where I 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:08:34
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     think it really goes so I just want to 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:08:36
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     make that really clear like from 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:08:38
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     everything I can gather I think this is 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:08:39
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     the fault of the delivery company's 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:08:42
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     overloading the drivers and so then they 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:08:45
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     have every incentive in the world to 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:08:47
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     just skip where they can bank on 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:08:49
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     someone probably not being there so that 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:08:51
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     they can like check off that they've 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:08:52
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     gone through all the things that they 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:08:53
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     need to do in a day 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:08:54
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     so just just want to get that out the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:08:56
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     way first well it's interesting you say 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:08:57
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     that because my recent experience that I 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:09:00
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     want to share I think emphasizes how 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:09:02
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     much the delivery drivers working in 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:09:08
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     these incredibly strange straitjackets 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:09:10
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     that the companies are putting on them 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:09:12
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     and the pressures they're putting on 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:09:13
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     them because everyone has had cases 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:09:16
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     where you know they get a message saying 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:09:19
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     we knocked on the door and you weren't 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:09:20
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     home and they say yes I was and and this 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:09:23
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     is hole you know you're a bunch of liars 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:09:24
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     right I had a recent delivery experience 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:09:26
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     that went the other way that really 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:09:28
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     emphasized the problem and that was the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:09:30
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     other day there was a knock on the door 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:09:31
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     I went down there was a delivery driver 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:09:34
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     with a package for me and I had to sign 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:09:37
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     for it and he had to scan the barcode 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:09:39
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     with his little device to say he'd sent 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:09:41
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     it so he was about to pass it over to me 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:09:44
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     and he went to scanner and it wouldn't 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:09:46
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     scan and he said hang on he tried again 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:09:48
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     I wouldn't scan and then he looked at 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:09:49
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     his device and said ah I'm a minute and 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:09:52
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     a half early 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:09:53
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     I can't scan this until it's the right 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:09:56
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     time and we had to stand there together 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:09:59
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     at the door waiting for the time to 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:10:02
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     elapse until we were in the window that 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:10:05
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     he was supposed to be at my door oh and 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:10:07
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     then as soon as the clock ticked over 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:10:09
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     like okay he scanned it hands it to me 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:10:12
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     and he could leave so they're so tightly 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:10:15
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     controlled at both ends of lateness and 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:10:17
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     earliness of where they have to be at 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:10:19
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     what times if they're running early they 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:10:22
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     get constrained Wow 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:10:25
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     it was amazing that that is that is 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:10:28
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     frankly breathtaking he couldn't give it 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:10:32
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     to me because he couldn't scan her 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:10:33
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     I can I can am at like it was never this 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:10:36
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     would never occur to me I can imagine 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:10:38
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     maybe why this happens just just like 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:10:41
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     you say as a way to further pin in the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:10:46
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     driver's freedom of motion yeah because 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:10:50
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     later on if there's something that has 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:10:51
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     to be delivered like between four and 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:10:52
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     six you know they want to make sure his 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:10:55
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     whole day is controlled so that he's 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:10:56
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     arriving at the right places at the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:10:58
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     right time it doesn't get too ahead of 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:11:00
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     schedule you know 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:11:02
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     Wow just I feel like I'm knocked 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:11:06
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     speechless by the horror of that it 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:11:09
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     knows more part the horror of having to 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:11:11
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     stand awkwardly with the delivery guy 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:11:14
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     for 90 seconds while the two of you are 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:11:17
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     waiting for a countdown counter to 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:11:19
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     finish that's okay 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:11:22
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     luckily I have the world's cutest 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:11:23
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     Chihuahua that loves coming and playing 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:11:25
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     with delivery people okay all right yeah 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:11:27
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     that would make it that would make it 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:11:28
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     much easier I feel like I would be 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:11:30
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     tempted to close the door I could turn I 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:11:33
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     didn't you get a note saying you were I 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:11:39
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     don't know it might be worth it you 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:11:41
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     avoid the awkwardness though it's a 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:11:43
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     problem that seems to be getting worse 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:11:45
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     with time and not better with time I 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:11:47
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     feel like it's causing me more problems 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:11:49
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     in laughs as time goes by because I was 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:11:51
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     complaining mightily on Twitter I did 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:11:54
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     get some some interesting sort of 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:11:55
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     private feedback that that was 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:11:58
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     confirming that what's happening is 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:12:01
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     largely that the drivers are just 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:12:03
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     banking on places that they know where 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:12:06
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     the deliveries are going to be accepted 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:12:08
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     so it's it's like these delivery 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:12:10
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     companies are actually just delivering 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:12:12
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     to business and commercial addresses and 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:12:15
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     that they're blowing off the residential 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:12:18
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     addresses just the the moment there's 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:12:20
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     any kind of delay and in their in their 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:12:23
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     schedule and where they should be and 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:12:24
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     this is what these times like I don't 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:12:26
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     understand how the world is the way it 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:12:28
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     is because isn't this like isn't this 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:12:30
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     the company's whole job like your job is 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:12:32
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     to deliver packages like why why are you 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:12:36
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     not better at delivering packages we're 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:12:38
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     handing you money to do the thing I feel 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:12:41
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     like package delivery has gotten way 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:12:45
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     worse one of the ways that I feel like I 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:12:47
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     have a subjective measure of this is 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:12:48
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     because I have an office in in my home 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:12:51
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     right and we get lots of packages sent 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:12:53
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     to the house it used to drive me so 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:12:55
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     crazy like how often the bell would ring 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:12:57
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     for the package is getting delivered but 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:12:59
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     over the last like 18 months the number 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:13:03
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     of times that has occurred has 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:13:05
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     definitely gone down and it's way more 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:13:07
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     of these like oh there's no package to 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:13:09
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     be delivered at all think so like I 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:13:10
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     really do feel like delivery companies 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:13:13
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     ► 
     are worse at doing their fundamental 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:13:14
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     ► 
     job than they used to before and it 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:13:18
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     ► 
     bothers me double when he when I think 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:13:19
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     ► 
     about things like like the grocery 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:13:21
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     ► 
     delivery where you can I don't if you 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:13:23
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     ► 
     have this where you are if the city is 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:13:26
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     big enough but you can have someone do 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:13:27
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     ► 
     the grocery shopping for you and then 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:13:29
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     have them deliver the groceries to your 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:13:30
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     ► 
     house and it's like that to me is kind 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:13:34
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     ► 
     of amazing because it's a-okay grocery 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:13:36
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     ► 
     stores your primary business is not 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:13:39
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     ► 
     delivering things this is just an 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:13:41
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     ► 
     auxiliary business yet nonetheless I can 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:13:45
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     ► 
     just pick a 15-minute window in which I 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:13:48
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     ► 
     want a man to show up with eggs and 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:13:51
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     ► 
     cleaning fluids and toilet paper and 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:13:53
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     ► 
     bananas and whatever and there they're 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:13:55
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     ► 
     like BAM every time delivering the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:13:57
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     ► 
     groceries and it's like this is not even 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:13:59
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     ► 
     your job like why can't actual delivery 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:14:01
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     ► 
     companies get this same thing 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:14:03
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     ► 
     accomplished I find it really 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:14:04
     ◼
      
     ► 
     frustrating that's just not the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:14:06
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     ► 
     incentives in place the grocery store 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:14:08
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     ► 
     has incentive doesn't it that they don't 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:14:11
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     ► 
     do the deal if they don't deliver the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:14:12
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     ► 
     fresh fruit it's not well I can not 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:14:14
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     ► 
     leave the food so they're just not 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:14:16
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     ► 
     incentivized yeah but I guess the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:14:18
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     ► 
     feeling here is it's like there's a 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:14:20
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     ► 
     delivery cartel that all the delivery 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:14:23
     ◼
      
     ► 
     companies are equally bad right so and 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:14:25
     ◼
      
     ► 
     they recognize like okay as long as 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:14:27
     ◼
      
     ► 
     nobody gets better none of us have to 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:14:29
     ◼
      
     ► 
     get better like that that's what it 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:14:31
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     feels like is actually happening because 
     
     
  
 
 
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     it's like I'm paying you to deliver a 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:14:34
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     ► 
     thing you know but I but I can't get it 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:14:38
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     ► 
     but I also just have I have no options 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:14:40
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     ► 
     here right I just have to keep paying 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:14:41
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     ► 
     you to not deliver to not deliver the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:14:43
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     thing and then push the burden on me to 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:14:46
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     ► 
     go to some warehouse to pick it up off 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:14:47
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     hours I'm sure you must run into this 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:14:49
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     ► 
     Brady but do you like the feeling of 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:14:52
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     sort of abusing your power as someone 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:14:54
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     ► 
     who has a bunch of Twitter followers to 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:14:56
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     ► 
     complain at a company like do you do 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:14:58
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     ► 
     feel the call of that sometimes to yell 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:15:01
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     ► 
     at a company on the internet I do where 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:15:04
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     ► 
     do you draw the line how do you decide 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:15:05
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     ► 
     when to when not to do it I mean you do 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:15:07
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     ► 
     it less than me but you you know you 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:15:09
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     ► 
     just use Twitter less than me so I don't 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:15:11
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     ► 
     know it's mood isn't it it's mood partly 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:15:13
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     ► 
     is like where's the radio meter right is 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:15:15
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     the radio meter very very large or is it 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:15:17
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     very very small but I also feel like I'm 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:15:19
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     ► 
     caught in a bit of a loop with these 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:15:21
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     ► 
     things where companies have taught me 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:15:23
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     ► 
     that there is no more effective way to 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:15:26
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     ► 
     get their attention than to yell 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:15:27
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     ► 
     come on Twitter yeah and I presume that 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:15:30
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     ► 
     having a large number of followers 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:15:32
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     certainly helps with that but it also 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:15:34
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     ► 
     seems like that when I look at company 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:15:36
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     ► 
     Twitter accounts like they are very 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:15:37
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     ► 
     active on Twitter and replying to people 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:15:39
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     ► 
     mmm I feel like the companies are 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:15:41
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     ► 
     essentially begging me to complain about 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:15:44
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     ► 
     them on Twitter squeaky wheel gets the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:15:47
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     ► 
     oil if I'm going to complain about a 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:15:48
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     ► 
     company on Twitter there needs to be one 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:15:50
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     ► 
     of two things I need to be really angry 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:15:53
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     ► 
     deeply deeply angry or I need to think 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:15:58
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     ► 
     of a way that I can complain that's kind 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:16:01
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     ► 
     of funny I think those those are my two 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:16:03
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     ► 
     markers for if I'm going to complain 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:16:05
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     ► 
     publicly about a company on Twitter I 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:16:07
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     ► 
     think those are the two that I'm that 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:16:08
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     I'm looking for oh there's a third fact 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:16:11
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     ► 
     I agree with those two but there's a 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:16:12
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     ► 
     third factor for me and it's how 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:16:14
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     ► 
     urgently do I need this problem solved 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:16:16
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     ► 
     so you know I had a thing where my phone 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:16:18
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     ► 
     stopped working and I couldn't make 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:16:19
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     ► 
     phone calls and it my work ground to a 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:16:24
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     ► 
     halt and I needed that dealt with so you 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:16:27
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     ► 
     know so sometimes if I really need 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:16:29
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     ► 
     something resolved because it's 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:16:30
     ◼
      
     ► 
     preventing me being able to function in 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:16:32
     ◼
      
     ► 
     the way I need to function that is the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:16:34
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     ► 
     third factor companies companies get 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:16:36
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     ► 
     what they promote and what they promote 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:16:38
     ◼
      
     ► 
     is yell at them on Twitter so they're 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:16:40
     ◼
      
     ► 
     gonna get more of that hello Internet 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:16:43
     ◼
      
     ► 
     today's an exciting day because there is 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:16:45
     ◼
      
     ► 
     a new sponsor for the show euro is what 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:16:49
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     ► 
     lets you never think about Wi-Fi again 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:16:52
     ◼
      
     ► 
     if you live in a house of almost any 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:16:54
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     ► 
     size you know the places where you have 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:16:57
     ◼
      
     ► 
     bad Wi-Fi you have done the thing where 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:17:00
     ◼
      
     ► 
     you're on your laptop or you're on your 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:17:01
     ◼
      
     ► 
     iPad and you need something to download 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:17:04
     ◼
      
     ► 
     or upload quickly so you go to a 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:17:06
     ◼
      
     ► 
     different physical location in the house 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:17:08
     ◼
      
     ► 
     to get into the good spot with Eero 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:17:10
     ◼
      
     ► 
     that will never happen again the Wi-Fi 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:17:13
     ◼
      
     ► 
     in your house and in my apartment is 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:17:16
     ◼
      
     ► 
     pretty terrible because you're using 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:17:18
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     ► 
     just a single router to try to deliver 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:17:21
     ◼
      
     ► 
     Wi-Fi to the entire house but guess what 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:17:23
     ◼
      
     ► 
     Wi-Fi doesn't go through walls very well 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:17:26
     ◼
      
     ► 
     it doubly doesn't go through walls very 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:17:28
     ◼
      
     ► 
     well if there's a lot of metal in those 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:17:30
     ◼
      
     ► 
     walls it's like using one light bulb in 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:17:32
     ◼
      
     ► 
     your house to try to light all of the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:17:34
     ◼
      
     ► 
     rooms so what you need instead is a 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:17:37
     ◼
      
     ► 
     distributed system gyro allows you to 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:17:40
     ◼
      
     ► 
     install the same 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:17:41
     ◼
      
     ► 
     of Fancy Pants distributed systems that 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:17:44
     ◼
      
     ► 
     giant companies used to keep their 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:17:46
     ◼
      
     ► 
     entire buildings connected but it's 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:17:48
     ◼
      
     ► 
     simple it's easy and it's way cheaper 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:17:51
     ◼
      
     ► 
     than those solutions so when you get 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:17:53
     ◼
      
     ► 
     arrow you connect it to where the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:17:55
     ◼
      
     ► 
     internet comes in your house and then 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:17:57
     ◼
      
     ► 
     you distribute their beacons throughout 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:17:59
     ◼
      
     ► 
     your home in the places where the Wi-Fi 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:18:01
     ◼
      
     ► 
     is weaker an arrow automatically just 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:18:04
     ◼
      
     ► 
     builds a mesh network throughout your 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:18:07
     ◼
      
     ► 
     entire house so everywhere you connect 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:18:09
     ◼
      
     ► 
     the speed is just as good as the good 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:18:12
     ◼
      
     ► 
     spots there are no more good spots 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:18:14
     ◼
      
     ► 
     they're all good spots I've got to say I 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:18:16
     ◼
      
     ► 
     cannot wait to get my hands on a Nero 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:18:19
     ◼
      
     ► 
     there is one coming there should be one 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:18:21
     ◼
      
     ► 
     in my hands right now but guess what I 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:18:24
     ◼
      
     ► 
     don't have one in my hands instead I 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:18:26
     ◼
      
     ► 
     have this do you hear that that's the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:18:30
     ◼
      
     ► 
     not at home to receive delivery slip I 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:18:34
     ◼
      
     ► 
     really want my ear oh and the reason is 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:18:37
     ◼
      
     ► 
     in my tiny London apartment there is 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:18:40
     ◼
      
     ► 
     nothing but a gigantic slab of metal 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:18:42
     ◼
      
     ► 
     between where the internet comes in the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:18:45
     ◼
      
     ► 
     house and where I'm recording this 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:18:47
     ◼
      
     ► 
     podcast right now it's hugely 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:18:49
     ◼
      
     ► 
     frustrating and I want that euro 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:18:52
     ◼
      
     ► 
     internet bucket-brigade as quickly as 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 01:18:55
     ◼
      
     ► 
     so that I don't have to put up with the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:18:57
     ◼
      
     ► 
     flaky Wi-Fi anymore I know lots of 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:19:00
     ◼
      
     ► 
     people who use euros everybody raves 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:19:02
     ◼
      
     ► 
     about them I can't wait to try them out 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:19:04
     ◼
      
     ► 
     and if you've been thinking about 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:19:06
     ◼
      
     ► 
     getting an arrow at all now is the time 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 01:19:10
     ◼
      
     ► 
     show them the hello internet love the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:19:12
     ◼
      
     ► 
     euro setup process is simple and easy 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:19:15
     ◼
      
     ► 
     and one of the other most important 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:19:17
     ◼
      
     ► 
     things is that whatever router you're 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:19:19
     ◼
      
     ► 
     using when was the last time you updated 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:19:21
     ◼
      
     ► 
     the security on it yeah that's right 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:19:23
     ◼
      
     ► 
     Nevers because zero is built for the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:19:26
     ◼
      
     ► 
     modern world and modern internets it 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:19:28
     ◼
      
     ► 
     gets pushed software security updates so 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:19:31
     ◼
      
     ► 
     that your home network is not vulnerable 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:19:33
     ◼
      
     ► 
     to cyber attacks and these updates will 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:19:36
     ◼
      
     ► 
     not only just give you the latest 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:19:38
     ◼
      
     ► 
     security but also the newest features 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:19:40
     ◼
      
     ► 
     and you can do things like check out how 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:19:42
     ◼
      
     ► 
     your network is doing from their app at 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:19:45
     ◼
      
     ► 
     any moment or easily create and share a 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:19:47
     ◼
      
     ► 
     network in your house just for guests ok 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:19:50
     ◼
      
     ► 
     already you're saying how do I get my 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:19:52
     ◼
      
     ► 
     hands on an euro what is the promo 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:19:55
     ◼
      
     ► 
     code okay so go to ero comm EE ro and if 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:19:59
     ◼
      
     ► 
     you're in the United States or Canada 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:20:01
     ◼
      
     ► 
     you can get free overnight shipping by 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:20:05
     ◼
      
     ► 
     entering the promo code hello Internet 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 01:20:08
     ◼
      
     ► 
     so visit EE ro calm that's ero calm and 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:20:11
     ◼
      
     ► 
     get free overnight shipping in the US or 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:20:14
     ◼
      
     ► 
     Canada by entering code hello Internet 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:20:17
     ◼
      
     ► 
     that gets you better Wi-Fi faster and 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:20:19
     ◼
      
     ► 
     lets Eero know that you came from our 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:20:22
     ◼
      
     ► 
     show thanks to ero for making Wi-Fi 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:20:24
     ◼
      
     ► 
     better and thanks to ero for supporting 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:20:27
     ◼
      
     ► 
     the show I just wanted to bring up 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:20:29
     ◼
      
     ► 
     something about the ad pocalypse gray 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:20:31
     ◼
      
     ► 
     which is a subject that I find quite 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:20:33
     ◼
      
     ► 
     tiresome and I actually really don't 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:20:35
     ◼
      
     ► 
     enjoy talking about but it does seem to 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:20:38
     ◼
      
     ► 
     be an important part of our lives and we 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:20:40
     ◼
      
     ► 
     have a reputation for talking about it 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:20:42
     ◼
      
     ► 
     now so well yeah and also I find 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:20:44
     ◼
      
     ► 
     revisiting this topic personally funny 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:20:46
     ◼
      
     ► 
     because I think one of the very first 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:20:49
     ◼
      
     ► 
     times we ever mentioned it my opinion 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:20:51
     ◼
      
     ► 
     was like oh this is gonna blow over and 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:20:52
     ◼
      
     ► 
     we'll never hear about this again 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:20:54
     ◼
      
     ► 
     Frank's working and then YouTube did 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:20:57
     ◼
      
     ► 
     everything within their power to make 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:20:59
     ◼
      
     ► 
     sure that this was going to be an 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:21:00
     ◼
      
     ► 
     eternal problem and so here we are 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:21:02
     ◼
      
     ► 
     you're right about that so there's been 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:21:04
     ◼
      
     ► 
     some recent developments in the last few 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:21:06
     ◼
      
     ► 
     day some on both sides of the of the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:21:09
     ◼
      
     ► 
     debate that I thought were worth just 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:21:12
     ◼
      
     ► 
     marking one is it seems to be almost 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:21:15
     ◼
      
     ► 
     cyclical that The Times newspaper in 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:21:18
     ◼
      
     ► 
     London owned by Rupert Murdoch owned by 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:21:20
     ◼
      
     ► 
     News Corporation that wants advertising 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:21:21
     ◼
      
     ► 
     money to be in papers and not on YouTube 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:21:23
     ◼
      
     ► 
     and have found success in this tactic of 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:21:27
     ◼
      
     ► 
     pointing out ads are being delivered on 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:21:29
     ◼
      
     ► 
     inappropriate content they have done 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:21:33
     ◼
      
     ► 
     their next big wave this week they found 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:21:35
     ◼
      
     ► 
     a new one it was it was terrorism before 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:21:37
     ◼
      
     ► 
     it was you know can you believe that 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:21:39
     ◼
      
     ► 
     company that coca-cola's being 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:21:41
     ◼
      
     ► 
     advertised on a story about terrorism 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:21:44
     ◼
      
     ► 
     now they've gone to exploitation and 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:21:48
     ◼
      
     ► 
     inappropriate images of children oh just 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:21:51
     ◼
      
     ► 
     like now we're saying last week in the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:21:55
     ◼
      
     ► 
     world so that that's the new one that 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:21:57
     ◼
      
     ► 
     they've they're really ramping up and 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:21:59
     ◼
      
     ► 
     they're doing front-page stories and 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:22:00
     ◼
      
     ► 
     special investigations about and the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:22:02
     ◼
      
     ► 
     exact same cycle has happened and there 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:22:05
     ◼
      
     ► 
     is all the companies are there 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:22:07
     ◼
      
     ► 
     you know fleeing and saying we're 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:22:09
     ◼
      
     ► 
     interestingly they're always saying 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:22:11
     ◼
      
     ► 
     we're suspending our advertising until 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:22:13
     ◼
      
     ► 
     this is result right and this has made 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:22:15
     ◼
      
     ► 
     me realize since there were some things 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:22:17
     ◼
      
     ► 
     about this that you were right about 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:22:19
     ◼
      
     ► 
     some things that you were slightly wrong 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:22:20
     ◼
      
     ► 
     about one is you said at the time that 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:22:23
     ◼
      
     ► 
     this is just like a temporary thing and 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:22:25
     ◼
      
     ► 
     the companies will go away and then 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:22:27
     ◼
      
     ► 
     ultimately come back the advert they 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:22:29
     ◼
      
     ► 
     advertising companies because they have 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:22:30
     ◼
      
     ► 
     to advertise here because if they don't 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:22:32
     ◼
      
     ► 
     they die and you're right about that 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:22:36
     ◼
      
     ► 
     because they're always using words like 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:22:37
     ◼
      
     ► 
     we're suspending advertising until this 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:22:39
     ◼
      
     ► 
     is fixed but the other thing is this 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:22:42
     ◼
      
     ► 
     this issue isn't going away and I can 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:22:44
     ◼
      
     ► 
     see this is going to be an issue for 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:22:46
     ◼
      
     ► 
     years to come this is just gonna be 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:22:49
     ◼
      
     ► 
     something that's it gets wheeled out all 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:22:50
     ◼
      
     ► 
     the time until the newspapers are gone 
     
     
  
 
 
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     maybe yeah so it's it's it's rather 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:22:56
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     exasperated I did notice it was 
     
     
  
 
 
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     different this time in a way that you 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:23:00
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     kind of have foreshadowed and spoken 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:23:01
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     about in the past and that is the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:23:03
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     companies aren't saying that's it we're 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:23:04
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     taking your advertising away forever 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:23:06
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     they're a bit more careful in their 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:23:08
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     wording and they say we're suspending 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:23:09
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     advertising so and what does that mean 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:23:12
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     yeah does that mean you know the 
     
     
  
 
 
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     impression that I have gotten from 
     
     
  
 
 
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     discussing things with people is that a 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:23:20
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     lot of this ends up becoming a situation 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:23:23
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     where money is simply building up behind 
     
     
  
 
 
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     a dam and then that and then when it 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:23:28
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     when that looks like it's all clear at 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:23:30
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     the the floodgates are opened again so 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:23:33
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     that the let's put this way like the the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:23:37
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     amount of money that a company has 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:23:38
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     allocated to spend on YouTube in a 
     
     
  
 
 
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     quarter is still maintained at a 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:23:43
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     consistent rate and if the individual 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:23:46
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     weeks or month are are not at a 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:23:48
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     consistent rate but that's the 
     
     
  
 
 
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     impression that I get is largely what's 
     
     
  
 
 
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     happening so one of the things that you 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:23:55
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     know you know I you know I like 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:23:56
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     newspapers obviously not used to work in 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:23:57
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     newspapers but one of the things that 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:23:59
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     has always frustrated me about this is 
     
     
  
 
 
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     kind of the hypocrisy because I think a 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:24:04
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     lot of newspapers do a lot of bad things 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:24:06
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     too and companies advertise in 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:24:08
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     newspapers and I've always thought what 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:24:10
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     hang on like your people in glass houses 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:24:12
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     here are throwing a lot of stones and 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:24:14
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     there was a story that caught my eye 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:24:16
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     last week that has opened my eye to 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:24:19
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     something else I didn't know it was 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 01:24:20
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     and just to give you a bit of context at 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:24:22
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     the Daily Mail newspaper in the UK which 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:24:25
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     a lot of people are familiar with and 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:24:27
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     isn't regarded very highly for various 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:24:30
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     reasons for its sort of sort of 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:24:32
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     political stances had this front page 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:24:35
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     promotion thing where people could take 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:24:37
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     a coupon from that day's paper to the to 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:24:40
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     the news agents in London called Paper 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:24:42
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     Chase and could get a free roll of 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:24:45
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     wrapping paper for their Christmas 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:24:47
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     presents a pretty typical kind of you 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:24:49
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     know newspaper promotion take your 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:24:51
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     coupon from the paper get your wrapping 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:24:52
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     paper and it turns out there's this 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:24:56
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     organization that I wasn't quite 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:24:57
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     familiar with called stop funding hate 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:25:00
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     and they're kind of the ad pocalypse 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:25:03
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     ► 
     version of the ad pocalypse except for 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:25:06
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     ► 
     newspapers whatever and whenever 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:25:09
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     ► 
     companies advertise with newspapers they 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:25:11
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     ► 
     don't like that are on their list of we 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:25:13
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     ► 
     don't like you they then go to the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:25:15
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     ► 
     mattresses and give a hard time to the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:25:17
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     ► 
     advertisers about that and stop funding 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:25:19
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     ► 
     hate engineered this campaign against 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:25:22
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     ► 
     Paper Chase for being in bed with the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:25:24
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     ► 
     Daily Mail that was so venomous that 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:25:27
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     ► 
     Paper Chase made a public statement 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:25:29
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     ► 
     apologizing for this promotion and have 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:25:31
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     ► 
     vowed to never advertise or do a 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:25:33
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     ► 
     promotion with the Daily Mail again and 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:25:36
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     ► 
     the stock funding hate apparently have 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:25:38
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     ► 
     done this with various companies 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:25:39
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     ► 
     including our good friends Lego who have 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:25:42
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     ► 
     been shamed into not advertising with 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:25:44
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     ► 
     various newspapers because of this 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:25:46
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     ► 
     campaign so it's the it's the thing 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:25:48
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     ► 
     happening in the opposite opposite 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:25:49
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     ► 
     direction and it's actually something 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:25:51
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     ► 
     that I've kind of spoken about before 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:25:52
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     ► 
     when I said you know when we see 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:25:55
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     ► 
     advertisements on free booted videos on 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:25:57
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     ► 
     Facebook we should we said shame the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:26:00
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     ► 
     advertisers don't don't take on Facebook 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:26:02
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     ► 
     Facebook don't care go to the advertiser 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:26:04
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     ► 
     and say hey Pepsi do you know that your 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:26:06
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     ► 
     videos are running against all this 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:26:07
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     ► 
     stolen content that's exactly what stop 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:26:10
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     ► 
     funding hate our doing hmm 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:26:12
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     ► 
     so the battle is actually happening in 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:26:14
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     ► 
     both directions fool what do you what do 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:26:18
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     ► 
     you think of this do you know what I'm 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:26:21
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     ► 
     kind of a bit uneasy with it both ways 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:26:23
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     ► 
     yeah I mean that's I think it's I think 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:26:25
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     ► 
     it's hypocritical for me to say that 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:26:27
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     ► 
     stop funding hate are doing the wrong 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:26:30
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     ► 
     thing except that the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:26:34
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     ► 
     pocalypse people like saying youtubers 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:26:38
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     ► 
     bad YouTube is bad the people they 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:26:40
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     ► 
     actually have the problems with the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:26:42
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     ► 
     content creators the people who are 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:26:45
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     ► 
     uploading the bad stuff whereas when you 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:26:47
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     ► 
     have a campaign against a newspaper the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:26:49
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     ► 
     newspaper is deciding what goes in its 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:26:51
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     ► 
     paper it's not like the Daily Mail can 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:26:53
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     ► 
     say hey we can't control what our 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:26:54
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     ► 
     journalists write sorry that our 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:26:56
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     ► 
     columnist wrote a really racist column 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:26:58
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     ► 
     but we can't control that we're just a 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:27:00
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     ► 
     platform mhm that the newspaper does 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:27:02
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     ► 
     have total editorial control over what 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:27:04
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     ► 
     appears in its pages and therefore when 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:27:06
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     ► 
     someone takes them to task for it I 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:27:08
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     ► 
     think there's an extra level of 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:27:11
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     ► 
     accountability that YouTube don't 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:27:13
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     ► 
     necessarily have but I've said in the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:27:15
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     ► 
     past that I do think YouTube does have 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:27:17
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     ► 
     to serve does have to have some 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:27:19
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     ► 
     accountability for what appears on the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:27:20
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     ► 
     site as well so for that reason I'm kind 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:27:23
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     ► 
     of oh I don't know what to think about 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:27:25
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     ► 
     this yeah I mean you know my initial 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:27:30
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     ► 
     reaction is of course I think it's funny 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:27:32
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     ► 
     because it's the newspapers getting what 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:27:36
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     ► 
     they're giving right like dishing out a 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:27:37
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     ► 
     thing as like well well well look look 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:27:41
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     ► 
     who comes back around and I do agree 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:27:43
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     ► 
     with you that the newspapers have a 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:27:46
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     ► 
     level of control that YouTube could only 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 01:27:50
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     ► 
     either that that is just fundamentally 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:27:51
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     ► 
     impossible on the YouTube platform but I 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:27:54
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     ► 
     don't know what like with all of this 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:27:59
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     ► 
     stuff I just I feel you know ever since 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:28:02
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     ► 
     we talked about a long time ago like we 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:28:05
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     ► 
     initially started having conversations 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:28:07
     ◼
      
     ► 
     but like mob justice on the Internet 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:28:08
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     ► 
     there is something I just I feel like I 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:28:12
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     ► 
     am permanently and forever uneasy about 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:28:17
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     ► 
     any kind of mob justice on the Internet 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:28:20
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     ► 
     in a way that I didn't used to be yeah 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:28:23
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     ► 
     several years ago and any of this kind 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:28:26
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     ► 
     of stuff where like even you know even 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:28:30
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     ► 
     if I would agree with the mob justice 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:28:32
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     ► 
     perhaps perhaps especially if I would 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:28:36
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     ► 
     agree with the mob justice it feels like 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:28:38
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     ► 
     you should be really cautious about that 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:28:39
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     ► 
     kind of thing right where and and this 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:28:44
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     ► 
     this feels like a similar thing like 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:28:47
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     ► 
     you're trying to 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:28:48
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     ► 
     bully and shame and organization into 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:28:52
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     ► 
     not supporting a thing and it's like I 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:28:54
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     ► 
     know that we can get all worthy about 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:28:56
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     ► 
     what the reasons for doing that are but 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:28:58
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     ► 
     I found I don't know how to put this but 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:29:00
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     ► 
     I feel like I feel what you're saying 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:29:04
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     ► 
     though it's like this is the thin end of 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:29:06
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     ► 
     the wedge versus you know online 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:29:07
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     ► 
     vigilantes like yeah if we start if we 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:29:10
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     ► 
     start doing this all the time where 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:29:11
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     ► 
     where does it stop I guess I guess what 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:29:13
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     ► 
     I'm trying to try and think about here 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:29:15
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     ► 
     is it's a little bit like my my feeling 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:29:20
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     ► 
     about politics where you know we don't 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:29:25
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     ► 
     really talk about politics on the show 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:29:27
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     ► 
     and part of the reason is because I you 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:29:30
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     ► 
     know my personal feeling is like if 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:29:32
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     ► 
     we're not talking about the meta issues 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:29:34
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     ► 
     like if we're not talking about the the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:29:38
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     ► 
     voting system right we're not talking 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:29:39
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     ► 
     about campaign finance right like then 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:29:42
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     ► 
     we're getting we're getting like dragged 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:29:43
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     ► 
     down into the details of things but well 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:29:47
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     ► 
     like we're never addressing the root 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:29:49
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     ► 
     cause of problems and there's something 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:29:55
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     ► 
     about Internet vigilantism that that is 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:29:59
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     ► 
     more and more in my mind falling into a 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:30:02
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     ► 
     kind of like I think this is a 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:30:03
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     ► 
     fundamental problem in a way but I don't 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:30:08
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     ► 
     know I'm not even sure I can say that 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:30:10
     ◼
      
     ► 
     that harshly or that clearly but it just 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:30:14
     ◼
      
     ► 
     it is just a thing that I find myself 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:30:16
     ◼
      
     ► 
     very very cautious about and it feels 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:30:24
     ◼
      
     ► 
     like we need a better and more 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:30:27
     ◼
      
     ► 
     responsible solution than a kind of 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:30:30
     ◼
      
     ► 
     internet bullying campaign even if it's 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:30:34
     ◼
      
     ► 
     for something that we agree with like 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:30:37
     ◼
      
     ► 
     for the same reason that in a society we 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:30:39
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     ► 
     have laws no matter how much evidence 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:30:41
     ◼
      
     ► 
     you have like against a murderer like we 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:30:44
     ◼
      
     ► 
     still put a murderer on trial because we 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:30:45
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     ► 
     had like we have to go through we have 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:30:48
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     ► 
     to go through the process and there's 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:30:50
     ◼
      
     ► 
     something there's something it feels 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:30:51
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     ► 
     like we need some kind of process on the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:30:54
     ◼
      
     ► 
     internet that can can handle stuff 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:30:57
     ◼
      
     ► 
     instead of this this sort of like let's 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:31:00
     ◼
      
     ► 
     let's all get riled up about 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:31:02
     ◼
      
     ► 
     about a thing like like even the name of 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:31:04
     ◼
      
     ► 
     this campaign right stop funding hate 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:31:07
     ◼
      
     ► 
     right is like that name is designed to 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:31:11
     ◼
      
     ► 
     stop any conversation about what this 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:31:14
     ◼
      
     ► 
     organization is doing here if you're not 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:31:16
     ◼
      
     ► 
     with the stop funding hate organization 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:31:17
     ◼
      
     ► 
     are you for funding hate right it's like 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:31:19
     ◼
      
     ► 
     ah right huh no of course not 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:31:23
     ◼
      
     ► 
     I think it's funny when you first show 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:31:24
     ◼
      
     ► 
     it to me but I I'm finding more and more 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:31:27
     ◼
      
     ► 
     my brain has this like antibody reaction 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:31:31
     ◼
      
     ► 
     to any anything that starts looking like 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:31:33
     ◼
      
     ► 
     let's gang up on a thing online and 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:31:35
     ◼
      
     ► 
     force them to do what we want like I've 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:31:37
     ◼
      
     ► 
     just I find that I find myself getting 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:31:39
     ◼
      
     ► 
     more and more cautious about that kind 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:31:42
     ◼
      
     ► 
     of behavior on the Internet in any way 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:31:43
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     there's also this slightly weird dynamic 
     
     
  
 
 
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     where there's always this third party 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     so it's like like Paper Chase for the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:31:52
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     news agents other ones are also like 
     
     
  
 
 
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     copying it in the neck and you could say 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:31:57
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     well they deserve it because they're 
     
     
  
 
 
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     giving their money to the Daily Mail and 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:32:00
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     they know what the Daily Mail is like 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:32:01
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     yeah but it's kind of like this indirect 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:32:04
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     argument it's like these people have an 
     
     
  
 
 
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     issue with the Daily Mail and they're 
     
     
  
 
 
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     like they're like taking hostages and 
     
     
  
 
 
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     hurting other people to try and damage 
     
     
  
 
 
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     the Daily Mail and there are all these 
     
     
  
 
 
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     sort of other parties who are kind of 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:32:16
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     copping it in the neck as a result and 
     
     
  
 
 
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     it feels like know if it was bitchy when 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:32:20
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     there is this third party interaction it 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:32:22
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     always gets more complicated and again I 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:32:25
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     think I think the internet version of 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:32:26
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     this is like you they don't go after the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:32:29
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     person like they go after the platform 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:32:31
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     that the person is on and that always 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:32:32
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     that will they go after the money don't 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:32:34
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     yeah yeah it's always about going after 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:32:36
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     the money money supply the curia yet 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:32:39
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     you're Lively yeah that is an excellent 
     
     
  
 
 
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     point I feel like I feel like we do you 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:32:44
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     know Brady Hero is the master of words 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:32:45
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     here but I do feel like we need a term 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:32:49
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     for this idea about going after 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:32:52
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     somebody's livelihood on the internet 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:32:54
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     like their there are so many different 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:32:57
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     versions of this that it's like it's a 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:32:59
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     concept that happens over and over again 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:33:01
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     like trying to get someone removed from 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:33:04
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     patreon or trying to get someone fired 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:33:07
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     from their job or whatever like this is 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:33:09
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     a thing that happens all the time of 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:33:11
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     this idea like you're going after 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:33:13
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     ► 
     somebody's livelihood where 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:33:15
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     for that that livelihood is and again I 
     
     
  
 
 
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     always just feel really cautious about 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:33:20
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     that and I think you're I think you're 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:33:21
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     right there is something that's that 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:33:25
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     feels wrong about when it's a third 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:33:27
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     party interaction it feels like you're 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:33:29
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     not you're not engaging directly you're 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:33:32
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     engaging in a in a sneaky way instead of 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:33:35
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     instead of engaging head-on with the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:33:37
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     thing that you don't like you know I 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:33:38
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     sometimes worry about the ad pocalypse 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:33:40
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     and I think if all the advert us pull 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:33:42
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     off the platform and YouTube collapses 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:33:44
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     and stuff it could be bad for people 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:33:45
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     like you and I but then this deep calm 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:33:47
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     comes over me when I realize that if a 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:33:50
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     company completely stops advertising on 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:33:52
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     ► 
     Google and YouTube another company will 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:33:54
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     ► 
     come in to fill the void mm-hmm and 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:33:56
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     ► 
     that's what that's what keeps it going 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:33:58
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     ► 
     like if if if coca-cola said all right 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:34:00
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     we're not advertising on YouTube anymore 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:34:02
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     Pepsi you'd think brilliant yeah 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:34:04
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     we will exactly so there is a hope that 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:34:07
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     kind of market force as long as you know 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:34:09
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     youtuber a really bad company and really 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:34:12
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     ► 
     are doing bad stuff which I don't think 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:34:13
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     ► 
     they are then I'm quite comfortable with 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:34:15
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     ► 
     this kind of chewing and Frau Inc and I 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:34:18
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     ► 
     kind of hope it just doesn't hurt people 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:34:20
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     ► 
     too much it certainly has created an 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:34:21
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     ► 
     absolute debacle on the content flagging 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:34:25
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     stuff which we've talked about recently 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:34:26
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     ► 
     so it is it is hurting us regardless and 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:34:29
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     ► 
     while I've said before that I think 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:34:30
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     ► 
     YouTube is in a strong enough market 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:34:32
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     ► 
     position that they don't have to do a 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:34:34
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     ► 
     lot of this I do worry about the I do 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:34:39
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     ► 
     worry about the future of YouTube a 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:34:41
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     ► 
     little bit simp simply because I feel 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:34:44
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     like they are beginning to cross an 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:34:49
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     annoyance line with a large enough 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:34:52
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     ► 
     number of of creators that I think if I 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:34:57
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     ► 
     was in charge of YouTube that would be a 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:34:59
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     ► 
     thing I would just is it a threat today 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:35:02
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     ► 
     maybe not but it's a thing I would just 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:35:05
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     ► 
     have my eye on that it did as a creator 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:35:07
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     ► 
     who talks to other creators it really 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:35:09
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     ► 
     feels like everybody is super annoyed 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:35:13
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     ► 
     with with the flagging and the way the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:35:16
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     ► 
     whole system works and we're still just 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:35:19
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     ► 
     the Mickey Mouse of the system that gray 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:35:21
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     ► 
     it's not like Sony and all those people 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:35:24
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     ► 
     who are uploading music videos to 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:35:26
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     ► 
     YouTube er upset and as long as YouTube 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:35:28
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     ► 
     have got them so 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:35:29
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     ► 
     you know I know I know what you're 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:35:32
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     ► 
     saying but I think if I was if I was 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:35:35
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     trying to do a start-up to compete with 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:35:39
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     ► 
     you to which I think might be a 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:35:40
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     ► 
     fundamentally impossible thing to do I 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:35:42
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     ► 
     think YouTube might have a pretty secure 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:35:44
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     ► 
     hold on an on the natural monopoly of 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:35:47
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     ► 
     video but let's say I was I was tasked 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:35:50
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     ► 
     to do it right and you had like a 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:35:51
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     ► 
     billion dollar since like okay make a 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:35:53
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     ► 
     startup to compete with you to I 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:35:55
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     ► 
     wouldn't go after the big companies like 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:35:58
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     ► 
     that like the via Muslim the music 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:36:00
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     ► 
     company VEVO and Sony and all this other 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:36:02
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     ► 
     stuff and the millions of hours of 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:36:04
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     ► 
     late-night TV that's on YouTube I would 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:36:06
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     ► 
     go after trying to sway the creators 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:36:09
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     ► 
     because I think if you can sway the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:36:13
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     ► 
     creators then those big companies will 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:36:16
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     ► 
     just double post their material right on 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:36:19
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     ► 
     YouTube and whatever the YouTube 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:36:20
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     ► 
     competitor is YouTube I love you guys 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:36:23
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     ► 
     I'm not competing with you I don't have 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:36:25
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     ► 
     I don't have a secret startup in the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:36:26
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     ► 
     works venture capitalist though if 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:36:29
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     ► 
     you're looking for someone to work with 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:36:30
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     ► 
     you know give me a call 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:36:32
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     ► 
     youtube don't listen to that but anyway 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:36:33
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     ► 
     um but I do I do think that that's the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:36:37
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     ► 
     vulnerable point if there if there is a 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:36:39
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     ► 
     vulnerable point it's people who are 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:36:43
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     ► 
     individual or small creators who have 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:36:46
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     ► 
     loyal audiences 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:36:47
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     ► 
     whereas trying to convince Sony to 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:36:51
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     ► 
     upload onto a competitive competing 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:36:53
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     ► 
     channel is a hopeless cause right 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:36:55
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     ► 
     they're just they're just going to make 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:36:56
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     ► 
     a business decision and the only 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:36:58
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     ► 
     question is can you get your competitor 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:37:00
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     ► 
     big enough that it makes sense for those 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:37:02
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     ► 
     channels to start double posting and 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:37:04
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     ► 
     this is where I think Facebook are 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:37:05
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     ► 
     missing a trick like that but not 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:37:08
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     ► 
     opening things up to smaller operations 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:37:11
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     ► 
     like people like us like this is the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:37:14
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     ► 
     time to strike because if facebook said 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:37:17
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     ► 
     now look we'll share half the revenue 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:37:18
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     ► 
     with you let's let's do it 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:37:20
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     ► 
     I think they'd get a lot of people and 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:37:22
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     ► 
     then if they started pulling all those 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:37:23
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     ► 
     people across then they could start 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:37:24
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     ► 
     trying to get the big the big guns but 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:37:27
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     ► 
     they're just like so they're so 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:37:28
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     ► 
     close-minded Facebook they're so selfish 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:37:31
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     ► 
     yeah I kind of wonder what Facebook's up 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:37:33
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     ► 
     to I mean you know I don't want to give 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:37:34
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     ► 
     Facebook any any tips here on how to 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:37:38
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     ► 
     defeat YouTube because it's like I 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:37:39
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     ► 
     really don't like Facebook but 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:37:41
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     ► 
     nonetheless I am con 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:37:43
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     ► 
     totally surprised at their at the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:37:47
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     ► 
     decisions they make with online video 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:37:49
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     ► 
     and it feels like you guys are so close 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:37:52
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     ► 
     like you could you could have this if 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:37:54
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     ► 
     you just changed a few things and they 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:37:56
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     ► 
     don't and I don't understand why and I 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:37:58
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     ► 
     just because I like to believe in a 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:38:00
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     ► 
     somewhat rational world I feel like that 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:38:02
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     ► 
     they must be up to something that we 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:38:04
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     ► 
     can't see or there must be some reason 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:38:06
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     ► 
     why they don't do revenue sharing with 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:38:09
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     ► 
     creators but I don't I don't understand 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:38:11
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     ► 
     it and it seems like it would be the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:38:12
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     ► 
     most obvious thing to do if you were in 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:38:14
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     ► 
     charge of Facebook should we end with a 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:38:16
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     ► 
     paper cut yeah let's let's round out 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:38:19
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     ► 
     with a paper cut this is this is a 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:38:21
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     ► 
     special paper because this is Brady's 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:38:23
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     ► 
     paper cut meets sports ball call oh god 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:38:25
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     ► 
     what happens when the coroner's cross 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:38:27
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     ► 
     with each other okay what do we get you 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:38:30
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     ► 
     get a square then I guess if we have two 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:38:31
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     ► 
     two corners crossing oh yeah I see what 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:38:34
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     ► 
     you mean yeah I want to send you a 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:38:36
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     ► 
     picture I'll send you a few pictures and 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:38:39
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     ► 
     these pictures have been taken during 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:38:42
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     ► 
     postgame celebrations because the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:38:45
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     ► 
     baseball season the MLB baseball season 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:38:47
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     ► 
     recently ended so we had lots of happy 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:38:50
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     ► 
     base boulders in the changing rooms 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:38:51
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     ► 
     celebrating wonderful victories okay I'm 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:38:55
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     ► 
     looking I'm looking 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:38:56
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     ► 
     we've got players in the changing rooms 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:38:57
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     ► 
     bottles of champagne being shaken corks 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:39:00
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     ► 
     being popped champagne being sprayed 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:39:03
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     ► 
     everywhere as is the custom celebration 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:39:05
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     ► 
     at the end of a sporting trial do you 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:39:08
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     ► 
     have any initial thoughts 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:39:10
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     ► 
     I mean well they're all wearing ski 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:39:11
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     ► 
     masks so it must be some yes violent 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:39:15
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     ► 
     champagne spraying there this is a this 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:39:17
     ◼
      
     ► 
     is the this is the development in the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:39:19
     ◼
      
     ► 
     last few years that I am papercut by 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:39:23
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     ► 
     professional athletes in these 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:39:25
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     ► 
     spontaneous moments of happiness for 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:39:28
     ◼
      
     ► 
     years they've been pulling out the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:39:29
     ◼
      
     ► 
     t-shirts that were pre-made for them 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:39:31
     ◼
      
     ► 
     winning you know congratulations on 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:39:32
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     ► 
     winning which are obviously made weeks 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:39:34
     ◼
      
     ► 
     before they won well yeah but then they 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:39:36
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     ► 
     have but then they've also brought a 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:39:37
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     ► 
     bunch of sometimes customized swimming 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:39:40
     ◼
      
     ► 
     goggles and ski masks to put on their 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:39:42
     ◼
      
     ► 
     faces before they start spraying the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:39:45
     ◼
      
     ► 
     champagne so they they can protect their 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:39:47
     ◼
      
     ► 
     eyes this seems like the least 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:39:51
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     ► 
     spontaneous and least like 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:39:55
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     ► 
     rugged cool sports thing you could do 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:39:58
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     and makes them seem like a bunch of 
     
     
  
 
 
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     wusses I feel like there's a real theme 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:40:03
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     here in your complaints as of late Brady 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:40:05
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     but yes it's like yeah you know you have 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:40:09
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     to have your Dewey beats Truman t-shirts 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:40:11
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     all set and ready to go of course you 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:40:13
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     know I have to have them ready imprinted 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:40:14
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     but but the but the goggles the goggles 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:40:20
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     do like to look like a bunch of wusses 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:40:21
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     I'm not gonna lie and it just it just 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:40:24
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     ruins the moment for me saying it just 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:40:27
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     it no longer seems like this moment 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:40:28
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     where we were just so happy we couldn't 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:40:30
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     control ourselves it's like okay okay 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:40:32
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     everyone put on your goggles for safety 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:40:35
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     and now we will have the fan yeah these 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:40:41
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     are these are fun approved goggles I 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:40:43
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     like that this is it's it's it's more 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:40:46
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     health and safety go on man I'm sure 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:40:47
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     someone will tell me some story about a 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:40:49
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     champagne cork that ruined a baseballers 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:40:51
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     career or how the acidity of champagne 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:40:54
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     can ruin your vision or something but 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:40:56
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     hey if if if spraying champagne is 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:41:00
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     celebrating at the end of the game is 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:41:01
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     unsafe then just don't do it but don't 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:41:03
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     don't all start putting goggles on 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:41:05
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     because you look you look like you look 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:41:07
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     silly yeah if it's the interest you 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:41:09
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     should come up with a new tradition yeah 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:41:11
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     I know that I don't think the champagne 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:41:14
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     is possibly dangerous except for the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:41:16
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     exploding quark if you don't know how to 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:41:18
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     handle the champagne bottle but yeah 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:41:20
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     this this looks dumb oh yeah coming cute 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:41:23
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     with a thumbs down do not approve this 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:41:26
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     and I'm sure now everyone's gonna jump 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:41:29
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     ► 
     on reddit like they did about the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:41:30
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     astronauts and say hey you know though 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:41:32
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     they've got these multimillion-dollar 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:41:34
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     contracts and they've got to protect 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:41:35
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     their eyes but come on Brady why are you 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:41:38
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     against fun that that's what that's what 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:41:41
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     ► 
     I'm getting all the complaints Brady 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:41:43
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     unrealized fine just so you know I'm not 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:41:46
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     against the champagne I love I love the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:41:48
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     champagne at the end of the sport I just 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:41:50
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     think putting these goggles on 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:41:51
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     not only is it like health and safety 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:41:53
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     gone mad it just looks it makes the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:41:55
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     whole thing look unnatural and 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:41:58
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     premeditated and not like a celebration 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:42:00
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     and just something they all knew they 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:42:02
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     were going to have to do for the cameras 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:42:04
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     later hmm I wonder I wonder if in ten 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 01:42:08
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     ► 
     they'll be having safety rain jackets 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:42:12
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     ► 
     for the champagne as well like if you 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:42:14
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     ► 
     would rewound time 10 years ago and 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:42:16
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     ► 
     asked someone do you think people will 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:42:17
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     ► 
     have to put on goggles before they open 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:42:19
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     ► 
     champagne no one would have said yes 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:42:20
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     ► 
     right that would have seen ridiculous 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:42:22
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     ► 
     and the idea now of some kind of safety 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:42:24
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     ► 
     raincoat for your champagne seems 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:42:26
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     ► 
     ridiculous but maybe in ten years that 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:42:28
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     ► 
     that's what they'll be doing as well I 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:42:30
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     ► 
     love special coverings for themselves so 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:42:32
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     ► 
     they don't get hurt by the champagne I 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:42:33
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     ► 
     just so that we don't end on me being 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:42:36
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     ► 
     anti fuckin who can I bring up one other 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:42:38
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     ► 
     interesting story us or a few weeks ago 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:42:40
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     ► 
     that touches on various topics you one 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:42:42
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     ► 
     being like insurance and safety in that 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:42:44
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     ► 
     and the other being Twitter which we've 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:42:47
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     ► 
     talked about a lot today there was a new 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:42:49
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     ► 
     story a little while ago where a famous 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:42:51
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     ► 
     soccer player from England was on 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:42:54
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     ► 
     holiday with his wife and he took I 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:42:56
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     ► 
     don't know what they were doing that 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:42:57
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     ► 
     skiing or something and he tweeted or 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:42:59
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     ► 
     instagrammed or whatever he did saying 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:43:01
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     ► 
     they're having a good time you know what 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:43:02
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     ► 
     he was up to and because he did that 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:43:04
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     ► 
     thieves knew that he wasn't in his 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:43:06
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     ► 
     lovely mansion in England who cleaned 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:43:09
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     ► 
     out the place took all his stuff took 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:43:11
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     ► 
     thousands and thousands of pounds worth 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:43:12
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     ► 
     it was nice done and his insurance 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:43:15
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     ► 
     company wouldn't pay because they said 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:43:17
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     ► 
     tweeting that he was on holiday was a 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:43:19
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     ► 
     security breach that voided his 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:43:21
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     ► 
     insurance policy and this was whole 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:43:22
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     ► 
     debate going on now about whether or not 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:43:24
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     ► 
     if you tweet that you're away from your 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:43:26
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     ► 
     house and your house gets robbed whether 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:43:28
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     ► 
     you should be insuring and I want to 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:43:29
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     ► 
     know what you think of that I agree with 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:43:31
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     ► 
     the insurance company on this one and 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:43:34
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     ► 
     this is actually a moment to answer a 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:43:37
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     ► 
     question that a bunch of people have 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:43:38
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     ► 
     asked which is you remember for a while 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:43:43
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     ► 
     I had the gray health bot that was 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:43:45
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     ► 
     tweeting out my weight every day yeah I 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:43:48
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     ► 
     stopped that in no small part because I 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:43:52
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     ► 
     realized after I was traveling that that 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:43:57
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     ► 
     thing was was essentially an indicator 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:43:59
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     ► 
     of if I was traveling or if I was not 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:44:02
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     ► 
     traveling because I'm I'm not bringing 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:44:04
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     ► 
     my internet-connected scale with me 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:44:06
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     ► 
     wherever I go and even if I was bringing 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:44:08
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     ► 
     it I would be in a different time zone 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:44:09
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     ► 
     and the the weight measurements would go 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:44:12
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     ► 
     up at a different time and I felt 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:44:15
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     ► 
     uncomfortable with having a very clear 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:44:16
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     ► 
     indicator on the Internet 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:44:19
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     ► 
     about when I was or was not home so I 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:44:22
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     ► 
     stopped that I stopped doing that and 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:44:26
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     ► 
     III feel like I got to go with the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:44:28
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     ► 
     insurance company on this one yeah if 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:44:30
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     ► 
     you're tweeting about not being home I 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:44:32
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     ► 
     can I can see that that's uh that's a 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:44:36
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     ► 
     definitely like an invitation to burgle 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:44:39
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     ► 
     a house in a way difficult situation 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:44:43
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     ► 
     there was a not so funny it's an 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:44:44
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     ► 
     unfortunate situation where you know 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:44:46
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     ► 
     people who want who likes sharing their 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:44:48
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     ► 
     adventures and stuff okay let's let's 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:44:50
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     ► 
     take the internet out of this do you 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:44:52
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     ► 
     think if it's a Brady the next time you 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:44:55
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     ► 
     go on vacation you pack up all your 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:44:56
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     ► 
     things you're gonna be really diligent 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:44:58
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     ► 
     on Twitter you're not gonna say anything 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:44:59
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     ► 
     but you put a big sign in the front yard 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:45:02
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     ► 
     that says we are not home and and you 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:45:05
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     ► 
     only take it down when you return what 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:45:08
     ◼
      
     ► 
     how do you feel about that well there's 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:45:13
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     ► 
     two different there's a different thing 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:45:14
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     ► 
     going on them but yeah oh I know it I 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:45:17
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     ► 
     know it's a different thing going on 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:45:18
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     ► 
     this is what I feel like this is a 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:45:19
     ◼
      
     ► 
     patented Brady analogy right ladies it's 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:45:21
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     ► 
     like we've subtly shifted the ground 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:45:24
     ◼
      
     ► 
     here but I'm just I'm curious 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:45:26
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     ► 
     if you had done such a thing and you got 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:45:29
     ◼
      
     ► 
     robbed and the insurance company said 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:45:30
     ◼
      
     ► 
     you put a please rob me sign in front of 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:45:32
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     ► 
     your your house no we're not gonna cover 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:45:34
     ◼
      
     ► 
     it no no no no no they've changed the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:45:36
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     ► 
     analogy now you've said please rub my 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:45:38
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     ► 
     side is different I'm not right okay oh 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:45:40
     ◼
      
     ► 
     I think insurance companies should cover 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:45:42
     ◼
      
     ► 
     you for normal behavior and is normal 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:45:46
     ◼
      
     ► 
     behavior to go on a holiday and share 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:45:49
     ◼
      
     ► 
     pictures while you're on holiday and 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:45:50
     ◼
      
     ► 
     like how far do we have to take this 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:45:53
     ◼
      
     ► 
     you're saying we have to create like all 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:45:55
     ◼
      
     ► 
     these deceptions like next they're going 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:45:57
     ◼
      
     ► 
     to say you have to start pre-programming 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:46:00
     ◼
      
     ► 
     Facebook posts of photos of you at home 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:46:03
     ◼
      
     ► 
     that automatically upload every two or 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:46:05
     ◼
      
     ► 
     three days when you're on holiday as an 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:46:07
     ◼
      
     ► 
     extra layer of protection yeah actually 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:46:10
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     ► 
     I have how far is this gonna go how much 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:46:14
     ◼
      
     ► 
     how much onus is on us like if you if 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:46:17
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     ► 
     you left a sign at the front saying my 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:46:19
     ◼
      
     ► 
     house is unlocked you are free to come 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:46:21
     ◼
      
     ► 
     and take stuff okay the insurance 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:46:23
     ◼
      
     ► 
     company could probably say well hang on 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:46:24
     ◼
      
     ► 
     yeah that is not even burglary yeah but 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:46:26
     ◼
      
     ► 
     posting a picture like it's not like the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:46:29
     ◼
      
     ► 
     house wasn't locked like you are allowed 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:46:31
     ◼
      
     ► 
     to be not home and going to 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:46:33
     ◼
      
     ► 
     things I mean this happens to footballer 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:46:35
     ◼
      
     ► 
     sometimes when they're playing games Oh 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:46:36
     ◼
      
     ► 
     overseas like you know they're playing a 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:46:38
     ◼
      
     ► 
     big famous game like there was one 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:46:40
     ◼
      
     ► 
     footballer who was playing something 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:46:41
     ◼
      
     ► 
     like a Champions League farm or 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:46:42
     ◼
      
     ► 
     something over in Europe and because it 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:46:44
     ◼
      
     ► 
     was such a big game they knew his family 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:46:45
     ◼
      
     ► 
     will be going to watch and he got robbed 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:46:47
     ◼
      
     ► 
     while he was playing in that game mmm 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:46:49
     ◼
      
     ► 
     cuz everyone everyone knew everyone 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:46:50
     ◼
      
     ► 
     associated with him was gonna be away 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:46:52
     ◼
      
     ► 
     from the house hmm so I mean I don't 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:46:56
     ◼
      
     ► 
     know I don't know I think that's 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:46:58
     ◼
      
     ► 
     interesting I feel like that puts a real 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:47:00
     ◼
      
     ► 
     wrinkle in my thoughts there that 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:47:02
     ◼
      
     ► 
     comparison because I agree the insurance 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:47:06
     ◼
      
     ► 
     should cover it if he's at work right 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:47:08
     ◼
      
     ► 
     but how is how is that different if his 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:47:11
     ◼
      
     ► 
     work happens to be going to a sports 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:47:14
     ◼
      
     ► 
     game it's out of town right is that any 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:47:17
     ◼
      
     ► 
     is that any different from posting on 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:47:18
     ◼
      
     ► 
     Twitter his family vacation photos I 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:47:20
     ◼
      
     ► 
     would have a very hard time articulating 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:47:22
     ◼
      
     ► 
     why I feel like that's difference and so 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:47:25
     ◼
      
     ► 
     maybe maybe you're finding a little bit 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:47:28
     ◼
      
     ► 
     of a there's a there's a wrinkle here 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:47:30
     ◼
      
     ► 
     that I feel like I'm um I've cast doubt 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:47:34
     ◼
      
     ► 
     on my certainty from before hmm 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:47:36
     ◼
      
     ► 
     interesting it is an interesting dilemma 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:47:38
     ◼
      
     ► 
     do you tweet though while you're away 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:47:40
     ◼
      
     ► 
     yeah hmm I sometimes do it's interesting 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:47:44
     ◼
      
     ► 
     it's interesting not always no ways but 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:47:48
     ◼
      
     ► 
     yeah I do I feel I feel very aware of it 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:47:52
     ◼
      
     ► 
     I mean you're unusually um go ahead 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:47:55
     ◼
      
     ► 
     Brady you can say whatever words it's 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:47:57
     ◼
      
     ► 
     puffing into your head I know there's 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:47:58
     ◼
      
     ► 
     some word I would describe you as a 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:48:00
     ◼
      
     ► 
     warrior you are a person who finds 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:48:02
     ◼
      
     ► 
     things to worry about so I can imagine 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:48:04
     ◼
      
     ► 
     when you're traveling you would you 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:48:06
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     effect here that often when I'm 
     
     
  
 
 
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     traveling I have a very hard time 
     
     
  
 
 
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     keeping up with even just the normal 
     
     
  
 
 
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     things in life like I'm usually 
     
     
  
 
 
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     traveling for a very clear purpose and 
     
     
  
 
 
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     so I don't want to do a bunch of other 
     
     
  
 
 
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     stuff so it is much more easy than 
     
     
  
 
 
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     normal to not tweet when I'm traveling 
     
     
  
 
 
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     but but I I'm the opposite I find out I 
     
     
  
 
 
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     suddenly have all this spare time and I 
     
     
  
 
 
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     get angry at myself for eating too much 
     
     
  
 
 
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     you know I'm sitting I'm sitting you 
     
     
  
 
 
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     know by the beach and you know I'm in 
     
     
  
 
 
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     the shade because I don't like being 
     
     
  
 
 
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     here too much direct Sun and I'm sitting 
     
     
  
 
 
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     there for like two hours and I'm 
     
     
  
 
 
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     thinking hmm bit bored might wait 
     
     
  
 
 
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     once again I find I find that so 
     
     
  
 
 
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     interesting are completely opposite 
     
     
  
 
 
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     experiences yeah it's I'm I feel like I 
     
     
  
 
 
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     am very monomaniacal when I'm traveling 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and and so yeah I don't I don't treat 
     
     
  
 
 
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     very much but I but when I do I am 
     
     
  
 
 
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     always aware of tweeting stuff and I 
     
     
  
 
 
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     often and I put not I don't even tries 
     
     
  
 
 
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     to say it exactly but I do often really 
     
     
  
 
 
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     time shift when I'm traveling when the 
     
     
  
 
 
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     actual tweet goes up yeah like I think I 
     
     
  
 
 
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     have never tweeted about being at a 
     
     
  
 
 
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     place when I'm at the place right I get 
     
     
  
 
 
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     is always later in time then then it 
     
     
  
 
 
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     would be so I'm also just aware like 
     
     
  
 
 
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     moving things around even when I am 
     
     
  
 
 
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     tweeting and I'm and I'm on a trip but 
     
     
  
 
 
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     yeah I might be a bit of a bit of a 
     
     
  
 
 
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     special case in that one but for sure an 
     
     
  
 
 
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     insurance company no matter what we'll 
     
     
  
 
 
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     always be trying to find a way to not 
     
     
  
 
 
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     pay on the policy 
     
     
  
 
 
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     yeah that's a microphone mr. chompers 
     
     
  
 
 
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     that's how uncle gray does his podcasts 
     
     
  
 
 
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     okay now no chomping the microphone and 
     
     
  
 
 
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     chomp your bone