00:00:00 ◼ ► oh did you ever modify last week's show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/0">TS</a>]
00:00:01 ◼ ► notes mark when I had a bet going to see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1">TS</a>]
00:00:09 ◼ ► nothing dad don't look I'll look dad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/9">TS</a>]
00:00:10 ◼ ► don't look dad it's fine dad free show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/10">TS</a>]
00:00:15 ◼ ► Mike oh is it the title because it's all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/15">TS</a>]
00:00:16 ◼ ► like small caps on the website so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/16">TS</a>]
00:00:18 ◼ ► can't tell if that title no no do you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/18">TS</a>]
00:00:20 ◼ ► still have your dollar signs in your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/20">TS</a>]
00:00:21 ◼ ► menu market is here have you fixed that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/21">TS</a>]
00:00:23 ◼ ► no I fixed it during recording oh yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/23">TS</a>]
00:00:25 ◼ ► okay you can play about the emoji foam [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/25">TS</a>]
00:00:29 ◼ ► oh no yeah you you've already skipped [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/29">TS</a>]
00:00:31 ◼ ► over it then tell me Sonos and google [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/31">TS</a>]
00:00:36 ◼ ► sitting in a tree anchor and amazon kis [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/36">TS</a>]
00:00:38 ◼ ► s ing you mess it up by putting the word [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/38">TS</a>]
00:00:41 ◼ ► are in there are is not in the nursery [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/41">TS</a>]
00:00:44 ◼ ► rhyme that is true that's all I can play [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/44">TS</a>]
00:00:46 ◼ ► it about I have no problem with you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/46">TS</a>]
00:00:47 ◼ ► doing a cute thing in the show notes I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/47">TS</a>]
00:00:49 ◼ ► have a problem with you not knowing how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/49">TS</a>]
00:00:51 ◼ ► the KS Society song goes it would be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/51">TS</a>]
00:00:57 ◼ ► ellipsis next line would be canker in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/57">TS</a>]
00:01:02 ◼ ► Amazon like have you not you messed it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/62">TS</a>]
00:01:03 ◼ ► up but it was two different topics I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/63">TS</a>]
00:01:05 ◼ ► trying to I was trying to wrestle it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/65">TS</a>]
00:01:07 ◼ ► away well you blew it you blow it I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/67">TS</a>]
00:01:14 ◼ ► tonight from the peaks of High Sierra as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/74">TS</a>]
00:01:17 ◼ ► am I actually but for a bad reason well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/77">TS</a>]
00:01:20 ◼ ► that's surprising yeah well yeah epithet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/80">TS</a>]
00:01:24 ◼ ► and that should be a topic today I just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/84">TS</a>]
00:01:26 ◼ ► put it in and I now have moved it up to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/86">TS</a>]
00:01:30 ◼ ► because we have to do some follow-up so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/90">TS</a>]
00:01:35 ◼ ► listeners let's just dive right in John [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/95">TS</a>]
00:01:41 ◼ ► speculated in the last show that that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/101">TS</a>]
00:01:44 ◼ ► Sky's exclusivity to the Apple TV would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/104">TS</a>]
00:01:47 ◼ ► be just like every other exclusive in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/107">TS</a>]
00:01:49 ◼ ► the gaming world a timed exclusive and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/109">TS</a>]
00:01:51 ◼ ► that is actually confirmed on that game [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/111">TS</a>]
00:01:52 ◼ ► company's website it says arriving first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/112">TS</a>]
00:01:55 ◼ ► on iPhone iPad and Apple TV additional [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/115">TS</a>]
00:01:57 ◼ ► platforms to follow no time window given [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/117">TS</a>]
00:02:00 ◼ ► but we'll see how that goes so I might [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/120">TS</a>]
00:02:02 ◼ ► just be able to hold out until it comes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/122">TS</a>]
00:02:03 ◼ ► out on you know ps4 or whatever and tell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/123">TS</a>]
00:02:06 ◼ ► me about your chair please I have my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/126">TS</a>]
00:02:12 ◼ ► I've been sitting on since like the last [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/132">TS</a>]
00:02:14 ◼ ► show that where we talked about it or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/134">TS</a>]
00:02:16 ◼ ► maybe two shows ago I forget but I just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/136">TS</a>]
00:02:18 ◼ ► want to give an update on how that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/138">TS</a>]
00:02:19 ◼ ► going so I did take off both of the arms [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/139">TS</a>]
00:02:22 ◼ ► I had to order another Torx wrench [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/142">TS</a>]
00:02:24 ◼ ► because the one that I had couldn't fit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/144">TS</a>]
00:02:26 ◼ ► in a little space or whatever but it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/146">TS</a>]
00:02:28 ◼ ► go is good to have more allen keys and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/148">TS</a>]
00:02:30 ◼ ► torque wrenches you know in in metric [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/150">TS</a>]
00:02:32 ◼ ► and standards and all sorts of sizes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/152">TS</a>]
00:02:34 ◼ ► torques it just comes in its own little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/154">TS</a>]
00:02:40 ◼ ► arms are off 30 I forget anyway one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/160">TS</a>]
00:02:44 ◼ ► them I don't think it matters it matters [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/164">TS</a>]
00:02:45 ◼ ► if you want to take the arms off your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/165">TS</a>]
00:02:47 ◼ ► chair I had a set of Torx Torx wrench [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/167">TS</a>]
00:02:50 ◼ ► things but they didn't fit and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/170">TS</a>]
00:02:52 ◼ ► don't make it a couple of those screws [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/172">TS</a>]
00:02:54 ◼ ► are hard to get out because the levers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/174">TS</a>]
00:02:55 ◼ ► they come out to do that adjust the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/175">TS</a>]
00:02:57 ◼ ► cedar kind of in the way but it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/177">TS</a>]
00:02:58 ◼ ► that bad just Amazon or some home so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/178">TS</a>]
00:03:01 ◼ ► I've been sitting in that chair for a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/181">TS</a>]
00:03:02 ◼ ► while and I have of just some follow-up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/182">TS</a>]
00:03:04 ◼ ► impressions of it I like it you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/184">TS</a>]
00:03:08 ◼ ► it's it takes a little bit of getting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/188">TS</a>]
00:03:10 ◼ ► used to because it feel like regular [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/190">TS</a>]
00:03:11 ◼ ► chairs but I think I've settled into it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/191">TS</a>]
00:03:13 ◼ ► pretty well two things about it have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/193">TS</a>]
00:03:17 ◼ ► adjustment on it to make the seat length [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/197">TS</a>]
00:03:20 ◼ ► like basically from the back to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/200">TS</a>]
00:03:22 ◼ ► front of the seat to it to make it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/202">TS</a>]
00:03:23 ◼ ► longer which is great for people with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/203">TS</a>]
00:03:24 ◼ ► long legs like me because you're not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/204">TS</a>]
00:03:26 ◼ ► supposed to have like half your leg [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/206">TS</a>]
00:03:27 ◼ ► hanging off the front of the thing so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/207">TS</a>]
00:03:29 ◼ ► you can make the seat longer I wish more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/209">TS</a>]
00:03:31 ◼ ► cars had that some of them do some cars [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/211">TS</a>]
00:03:33 ◼ ► actually have this adjustment to sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/213">TS</a>]
00:03:34 ◼ ► support your legs more you know more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/214">TS</a>]
00:03:38 ◼ ► down towards your knee they say you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/218">TS</a>]
00:03:39 ◼ ► supposed to have like you know two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/219">TS</a>]
00:03:40 ◼ ► inches between the back of your knee or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/220">TS</a>]
00:03:43 ◼ ► the back of your calf or whatever and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/223">TS</a>]
00:03:44 ◼ ► then the seat front so the her Miller [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/224">TS</a>]
00:03:47 ◼ ► and body has two big handles that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/227">TS</a>]
00:03:49 ◼ ► can grab and slide out the front part of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/229">TS</a>]
00:03:51 ◼ ► the chair which I do but unless you are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/231">TS</a>]
00:03:55 ◼ ► in a situation where you're sharing your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/235">TS</a>]
00:03:57 ◼ ► chair with somebody else and constantly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/237">TS</a>]
00:03:59 ◼ ► switching back and forth this like many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/239">TS</a>]
00:04:02 ◼ ► something that you'll do once or twice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/242">TS</a>]
00:04:05 ◼ ► in the beginning when you're getting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/245">TS</a>]
00:04:06 ◼ ► used to the chair and you'll eventually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/246">TS</a>]
00:04:07 ◼ ► decide what adjustment setting is right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/247">TS</a>]
00:04:10 ◼ ► for me there's only a few choices there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/250">TS</a>]
00:04:12 ◼ ► adjustability and you find how the seat [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/252">TS</a>]
00:04:15 ◼ ► is come feel for you and you leave it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/255">TS</a>]
00:04:16 ◼ ► there but for the entire time you own [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/256">TS</a>]
00:04:19 ◼ ► this chair these two Mickey Mouse ears [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/259">TS</a>]
00:04:22 ◼ ► coffee cup mug handles are going to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/262">TS</a>]
00:04:26 ◼ ► of your chair and every time I get into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/266">TS</a>]
00:04:27 ◼ ► and out of my chair somehow I bump into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/267">TS</a>]
00:04:30 ◼ ► those things they're like ears like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/270">TS</a>]
00:04:31 ◼ ► useless ears fossilized ears poking out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/271">TS</a>]
00:04:34 ◼ ► at the front of the chair and I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/274">TS</a>]
00:04:36 ◼ ► second thing is since I have it extended [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/276">TS</a>]
00:04:39 ◼ ► almost as far as it will go I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/279">TS</a>]
00:04:40 ◼ ► maybe I do have as far as it will go for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/280">TS</a>]
00:04:42 ◼ ► my long legs there's like a little bit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/282">TS</a>]
00:04:44 ◼ ► of a creak enos in the front of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/284">TS</a>]
00:04:46 ◼ ► chair as that a little telescoping thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/286">TS</a>]
00:04:48 ◼ ► kind of flexes and it's in its plastic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/288">TS</a>]
00:04:51 ◼ ► maybe that squeak will go away over time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/291">TS</a>]
00:04:53 ◼ ► maybe it won't but it's not a sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/293">TS</a>]
00:04:59 ◼ ► matches up with the price of this chair [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/299">TS</a>]
00:05:01 ◼ ► so I really like that and then the final [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/301">TS</a>]
00:05:03 ◼ ► thing there's a lot of stuff under this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/303">TS</a>]
00:05:05 ◼ ► chair for all of these spring-loaded [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/305">TS</a>]
00:05:07 ◼ ► like mechanisms that handle the thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/307">TS</a>]
00:05:10 ◼ ► where you lean back in the chair and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/310">TS</a>]
00:05:12 ◼ ► some of it probably also handles like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/312">TS</a>]
00:05:15 ◼ ► the the back tension and then there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/315">TS</a>]
00:05:16 ◼ ► the gas cylinder thing for the height of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/316">TS</a>]
00:05:18 ◼ ► the chair that giant box of works that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/318">TS</a>]
00:05:21 ◼ ► basically under your butt takes up a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/321">TS</a>]
00:05:23 ◼ ► surprising amount of room and you say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/323">TS</a>]
00:05:25 ◼ ► who cares about that room nothing's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/325">TS</a>]
00:05:26 ◼ ► going on on to your chair right well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/326">TS</a>]
00:05:27 ◼ ► apparently I'm someone who occasionally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/327">TS</a>]
00:05:30 ◼ ► crosses his legs and shoves both his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/330">TS</a>]
00:05:33 ◼ ► feet underneath the bottom of the seat [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/333">TS</a>]
00:05:34 ◼ ► resting them on the top of the little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/334">TS</a>]
00:05:36 ◼ ► leg thingies and I didn't know I did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/336">TS</a>]
00:05:40 ◼ ► until my heel started hitting that giant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/340">TS</a>]
00:05:44 ◼ ► suppose I could get used to it but I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/344">TS</a>]
00:05:46 ◼ ► still hitting my heels in that box [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/346">TS</a>]
00:05:47 ◼ ► surprising amount of time just like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/347">TS</a>]
00:05:49 ◼ ► kind of wish I kind of wish that wasn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/349">TS</a>]
00:05:51 ◼ ► there I kind of wish I had that free [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/351">TS</a>]
00:05:52 ◼ ► space to shove my feet into again so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/352">TS</a>]
00:05:56 ◼ ► that's my update on the embody mostly I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/356">TS</a>]
00:05:58 ◼ ► I think definitely gonna keep it but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/358">TS</a>]
00:06:02 ◼ ► I'm sitting right now on the steel case [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/362">TS</a>]
00:06:05 ◼ ► gesture chair which just arrived today [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/365">TS</a>]
00:06:07 ◼ ► this still has arms on it and they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/367">TS</a>]
00:06:10 ◼ ► gonna be much more difficult to take off [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/370">TS</a>]
00:06:11 ◼ ► I'm already puzzling over how I'm going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/371">TS</a>]
00:06:13 ◼ ► to manage this but for now the arms are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/373">TS</a>]
00:06:14 ◼ ► on and I'm sitting on it definitely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/374">TS</a>]
00:06:16 ◼ ► feels different than the embody but and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/376">TS</a>]
00:06:20 ◼ ► and it has right away its adjustment for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/380">TS</a>]
00:06:23 ◼ ► the length of the seat is to move the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/383">TS</a>]
00:06:25 ◼ ► entire seat forward so it's all just one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/385">TS</a>]
00:06:26 ◼ ► unit there's no extended bit it has less [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/386">TS</a>]
00:06:28 ◼ ► creaky bits on it and there's more room [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/388">TS</a>]
00:06:31 ◼ ► underneath it for me to cross my legs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/391">TS</a>]
00:06:32 ◼ ► but it definitely feels different than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/392">TS</a>]
00:06:35 ◼ ► the embody feels more like a normal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/395">TS</a>]
00:06:36 ◼ ► chair and I'm not sure if I like it as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/396">TS</a>]
00:06:38 ◼ ► the embody but I'm just sitting in it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/398">TS</a>]
00:06:40 ◼ ► for five minutes here so probably make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/400">TS</a>]
00:06:42 ◼ ► sure I'll have a more longer-term update [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/402">TS</a>]
00:06:44 ◼ ► on the comparison to these two chairs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/404">TS</a>]
00:06:46 ◼ ► and I better hurry up because I got like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/406">TS</a>]
00:06:47 ◼ ► 30 days for both of them to decide [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/407">TS</a>]
00:06:49 ◼ ► whether I want my bazillion dollars back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/409">TS</a>]
00:06:52 ◼ ► for these chairs so last episode I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/412">TS</a>]
00:06:56 ◼ ► lamenting the fact that if you have an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/416">TS</a>]
00:06:58 ◼ ► issue with your Google pixel phone you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/418">TS</a>]
00:07:00 ◼ ► can get online and you can tell Google [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/420">TS</a>]
00:07:05 ◼ ► overnight you a box with a replacement [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/425">TS</a>]
00:07:06 ◼ ► pixel and then you put your broken pixel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/426">TS</a>]
00:07:09 ◼ ► into the box and ship it back to them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/429">TS</a>]
00:07:11 ◼ ► and I thought man that would be really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/431">TS</a>]
00:07:13 ◼ ► awesome to be able to do that with Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/433">TS</a>]
00:07:15 ◼ ► I wish that was a thing and a handful [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/435">TS</a>]
00:07:17 ◼ ► people wrote in to say it is a thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/437">TS</a>]
00:07:20 ◼ ► so John Tooker pointed me to Apple Care [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/440">TS</a>]
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00:08:20 ◼ ► must be powered on and connected to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/500">TS</a>]
00:08:22 ◼ ► Wi-Fi or cellular but it doesn't need to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/502">TS</a>]
00:08:23 ◼ ► be nearby so that kind of hints to me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/503">TS</a>]
00:08:31 ◼ ► notifications I have since heard reports [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/511">TS</a>]
00:08:33 ◼ ► that whatsapp I believe that's what it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/513">TS</a>]
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00:08:39 ◼ ► were citing but a handful of people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/519">TS</a>]
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00:08:52 ◼ ► actually wrote us to say do useless [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/532">TS</a>]
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00:09:00 ◼ ► last time they talked and I think one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/540">TS</a>]
00:09:01 ◼ ► us had had theorized that that may be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/541">TS</a>]
00:09:03 ◼ ► the case but it sure sounds like and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/543">TS</a>]
00:09:06 ◼ ► have since gotten tacit confirmation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/546">TS</a>]
00:09:08 ◼ ► from a couple of little birdies that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/548">TS</a>]
00:09:11 ◼ ► notifications via I guess iCloud or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/551">TS</a>]
00:09:16 ◼ ► notifications even if it's not in range [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/556">TS</a>]
00:09:18 ◼ ► I have I I have had several people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/558">TS</a>]
00:09:21 ◼ ► explain to me that I'm a moron in that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/561">TS</a>]
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00:09:25 ◼ ► I'm a moron that the watch was on Wi-Fi [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/565">TS</a>]
00:09:28 ◼ ► but I assure you I checked to see what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/568">TS</a>]
00:09:31 ◼ ► the watch says it was on and it said it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/571">TS</a>]
00:09:33 ◼ ► was on cellular at the time so yes I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/573">TS</a>]
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00:09:41 ◼ ► away than one would expect I understand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/581">TS</a>]
00:09:43 ◼ ► it works on Wi-Fi I don't know why it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/583">TS</a>]
00:09:44 ◼ ► wasn't on Wi-Fi in this particular [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/584">TS</a>]
00:09:46 ◼ ► instance but if the watch said it was on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/586">TS</a>]
00:09:48 ◼ ► cellular and I am inclined to believe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/588">TS</a>]
00:09:50 ◼ ► the watch so in summary it sure does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/590">TS</a>]
00:09:52 ◼ ► sound like that Apple is proxying iPhone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/592">TS</a>]
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00:12:02 ◼ ► writes in for those who run Plex on a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/722">TS</a>]
00:12:04 ◼ ► Mac how do you run it with no logged in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/724">TS</a>]
00:12:06 ◼ ► user and I can speak for myself and say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/726">TS</a>]
00:12:09 ◼ ► I don't it is running as part of my user [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/729">TS</a>]
00:12:12 ◼ ► that that I'm using right now on this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/732">TS</a>]
00:12:15 ◼ ► very Mac and this users pretty much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/735">TS</a>]
00:12:16 ◼ ► always logged in and that's ok for me it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/736">TS</a>]
00:12:20 ◼ ► may not be okay for you listener but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/740">TS</a>]
00:12:22 ◼ ► it's okay for me I was hoping you had an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/742">TS</a>]
00:12:23 ◼ ► answer to this that's why I put it in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/743">TS</a>]
00:12:24 ◼ ► there I'm like okay she probably knows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/744">TS</a>]
00:12:25 ◼ ► how to do the same thing it's running as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/745">TS</a>]
00:12:28 ◼ ► actually running is my wife's user and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/748">TS</a>]
00:12:31 ◼ ► she's oh he's logged in now here's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/751">TS</a>]
00:12:34 ◼ ► thing you don't have to be logged in but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/754">TS</a>]
00:12:38 ◼ ► you don't have to be the frontmost user [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/758">TS</a>]
00:12:39 ◼ ► so if one of my kids comes up and do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/759">TS</a>]
00:12:41 ◼ ► this doing their homework on their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/761">TS</a>]
00:12:42 ◼ ► account on the same computer as long as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/762">TS</a>]
00:12:44 ◼ ► my wife is logged in in the background [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/764">TS</a>]
00:12:46 ◼ ► Plex still works and runs so you don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/766">TS</a>]
00:12:47 ◼ ► have to leave their account as the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/767">TS</a>]
00:12:49 ◼ ► frontmost but if there's a way to run it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/769">TS</a>]
00:12:52 ◼ ► without you being logged in like cron it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/772">TS</a>]
00:12:53 ◼ ► and run it as you know some other user [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/773">TS</a>]
00:12:55 ◼ ► with no GUI or whatever I have honestly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/775">TS</a>]
00:12:59 ◼ ► I haven't even tried to do it but maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/779">TS</a>]
00:13:01 ◼ ► have you tried anything Casey are you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/781">TS</a>]
00:13:03 ◼ ► just like yeah well I guess I'm always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/783">TS</a>]
00:13:04 ◼ ► logged in so I have no need for this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/784">TS</a>]
00:13:05 ◼ ► exactly right I have no need for it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/785">TS</a>]
00:13:08 ◼ ► yeah so I say we're not gonna say that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/788">TS</a>]
00:13:09 ◼ ► it can't be done just that neither of us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/789">TS</a>]
00:13:12 ◼ ► has tried to do it Marco I assume the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/792">TS</a>]
00:13:14 ◼ ► same yeah I mean to me I the the idea of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/794">TS</a>]
00:13:18 ◼ ► not having a logged in user basically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/798">TS</a>]
00:13:20 ◼ ► like as root never even occurred to me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/800">TS</a>]
00:13:22 ◼ ► because that's not how I would think to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/802">TS</a>]
00:13:25 ◼ ► run things that are on a Mac in a server [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/805">TS</a>]
00:13:27 ◼ ► role like even though I know there are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/807">TS</a>]
00:13:29 ◼ ► things that Mac's can do as a server [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/809">TS</a>]
00:13:31 ◼ ► with no user like you know the built-in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/811">TS</a>]
00:13:33 ◼ ► Apache server and stuff like that many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/813">TS</a>]
00:13:35 ◼ ► of the things that you would run a Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/815">TS</a>]
00:13:37 ◼ ► server for require there to be some kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/817">TS</a>]
00:13:39 ◼ ► of application in user space running to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/819">TS</a>]
00:13:42 ◼ ► serve those tasks so the idea of running [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/822">TS</a>]
00:13:47 ◼ ► without a logged in user and has never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/827">TS</a>]
00:13:49 ◼ ► even occurred to me to even think about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/829">TS</a>]
00:13:52 ◼ ► yeah I know that was not the answer that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/832">TS</a>]
00:13:54 ◼ ► you were looking for Jason and I'm sorry [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/834">TS</a>]
00:13:56 ◼ ► that is the answer for us and if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/836">TS</a>]
00:13:58 ◼ ► happen to know how to do this I would be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/838">TS</a>]
00:14:00 ◼ ► curious to hear it's not really solving [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/840">TS</a>]
00:14:02 ◼ ► a need that I have but I'd be curious to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/842">TS</a>]
00:14:03 ◼ ► hear so I do write in and let us know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/843">TS</a>]
00:14:05 ◼ ► and Jason as well Tom Meyers asks could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/845">TS</a>]
00:14:09 ◼ ► you guys help explain why a massively [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/849">TS</a>]
00:14:10 ◼ ► multi-core arm Mac Pro oh never mind we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/850">TS</a>]
00:14:13 ◼ ► don't have to talk about this moving on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/853">TS</a>]
00:14:16 ◼ ► for not picking the question I actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/856">TS</a>]
00:14:20 ◼ ► sidetracked at work and never did and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/860">TS</a>]
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00:14:23 ◼ ► hear your answer to this John so let me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/863">TS</a>]
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00:14:26 ◼ ► explain why I'm a swing multi-core arm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/866">TS</a>]
00:14:28 ◼ ► Mac Pro wouldn't be viable a sixty-four [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/868">TS</a>]
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00:14:34 ◼ ► so it would be viable but we talked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/874">TS</a>]
00:14:36 ◼ ► about this on the show before there's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/876">TS</a>]
00:14:39 ◼ ► couple of aspects of this you know so we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/879">TS</a>]
00:14:42 ◼ ► all know that Apple makes really fast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/882">TS</a>]
00:14:43 ◼ ► system ownerships for their phones and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/883">TS</a>]
00:14:45 ◼ ► they make even faster ones that they use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/885">TS</a>]
00:14:47 ◼ ► in their iPads and the number of cores [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/887">TS</a>]
00:14:49 ◼ ► on them has been increasing from one and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/889">TS</a>]
00:14:51 ◼ ► now out there up to four and the in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/891">TS</a>]
00:14:53 ◼ ► phone right is it four I forget it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/893">TS</a>]
00:14:55 ◼ ► well is it with the eight series it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/895">TS</a>]
00:14:57 ◼ ► now six six you got that you got the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/897">TS</a>]
00:14:59 ◼ ► four slow ones and the two fast ones [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/899">TS</a>]
00:15:01 ◼ ► yeah anyway that's a lot of cores it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/901">TS</a>]
00:15:03 ◼ ► more than they had before but as we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/903">TS</a>]
00:15:06 ◼ ► discussed last time this came up to make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/906">TS</a>]
00:15:09 ◼ ► something that doesn't you know it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/909">TS</a>]
00:15:12 ◼ ► like a little system on a chip that it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/912">TS</a>]
00:15:14 ◼ ► takes iPad power but instead takes 150 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/914">TS</a>]
00:15:16 ◼ ► watts or something like a you know a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/916">TS</a>]
00:15:17 ◼ ► Xeon class CPU that's a very different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/917">TS</a>]
00:15:24 ◼ ► because we've made a chip for the iPad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/924">TS</a>]
00:15:26 ◼ ► that's faster than all of our laptops [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/926">TS</a>]
00:15:28 ◼ ► right there are all faster than our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/928">TS</a>]
00:15:32 ◼ ► we've done all the work to make the Seon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/932">TS</a>]
00:15:34 ◼ ► class thing and you haven't there's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/934">TS</a>]
00:15:35 ◼ ► lot more that goes into making a zeon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/935">TS</a>]
00:15:37 ◼ ► class CPU than just saying oh we have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/937">TS</a>]
00:15:40 ◼ ► quorum we'll just multiply it out it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/940">TS</a>]
00:15:41 ◼ ► like a GPU where you just you know take [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/941">TS</a>]
00:15:43 ◼ ► the execution unit and just add more of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/943">TS</a>]
00:15:44 ◼ ► them and even that gets more complicated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/944">TS</a>]
00:15:46 ◼ ► there's tons of things having to do with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/946">TS</a>]
00:15:48 ◼ ► IO and PCI Express Lanes and figuring [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/948">TS</a>]
00:15:50 ◼ ► out the whole Thunderbolt thing and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/950">TS</a>]
00:15:53 ◼ ► various chipsets not to mention all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/953">TS</a>]
00:15:57 ◼ ► coherency and the ECC Ram and all sorts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/957">TS</a>]
00:15:59 ◼ ► of other things that you know it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/959">TS</a>]
00:16:01 ◼ ► to say they couldn't do it they would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/961">TS</a>]
00:16:03 ◼ ► I'm sure they would do an excellent job [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/963">TS</a>]
00:16:04 ◼ ► it's just to say that they by having [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/964">TS</a>]
00:16:07 ◼ ► lappa by having an iPad and phone ships [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/967">TS</a>]
00:16:09 ◼ ► they haven't done all the work so if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/969">TS</a>]
00:16:12 ◼ ► they wanted to make one they could but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/972">TS</a>]
00:16:15 ◼ ► it's a lot of additional work and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/975">TS</a>]
00:16:17 ◼ ► question you've always had is is it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/977">TS</a>]
00:16:18 ◼ ► worthwhile for Apple to do all that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/978">TS</a>]
00:16:20 ◼ ► additional work to essentially compete [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/980">TS</a>]
00:16:22 ◼ ► with Zeon's for a line of computers that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/982">TS</a>]
00:16:25 ◼ ► they sell very very few of compared to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/985">TS</a>]
00:16:27 ◼ ► anything else so maybe that's the answer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/987">TS</a>]
00:16:32 ◼ ► to the viability question technically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/992">TS</a>]
00:16:33 ◼ ► viable sure but Apple would have to do a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/993">TS</a>]
00:16:35 ◼ ► ton of work financially viable can Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/995">TS</a>]
00:16:37 ◼ ► justify that ton of work maybe they will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/997">TS</a>]
00:16:39 ◼ ► eventually because I mean as people have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/999">TS</a>]
00:16:41 ◼ ► been benchmarking the new iPhone 8 and 8 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1001">TS</a>]
00:16:44 ◼ ► plus against Mac laptops like modern Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1004">TS</a>]
00:16:47 ◼ ► laptops that you can buy right now that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1007">TS</a>]
00:16:49 ◼ ► are not like last year's models and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1009">TS</a>]
00:16:51 ◼ ► seeing how fast the the system-on-a-chip [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1011">TS</a>]
00:16:53 ◼ ► is the case for arm powered Mac laptops [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1013">TS</a>]
00:16:58 ◼ ► is getting stronger and stronger but the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1018">TS</a>]
00:17:01 ◼ ► case for arm powered Mac Pro's I mean if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1021">TS</a>]
00:17:04 ◼ ► Apple started this project four years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1024">TS</a>]
00:17:06 ◼ ► ago and has a Xeon class arm CPU waiting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1026">TS</a>]
00:17:08 ◼ ► in the wings for like next year's Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1028">TS</a>]
00:17:10 ◼ ► Pro then fine but if there haven't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1030">TS</a>]
00:17:11 ◼ ► started that project now you're not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1031">TS</a>]
00:17:14 ◼ ► gonna see one of these for a long time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1034">TS</a>]
00:17:15 ◼ ► it would cost a lot of money it would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1035">TS</a>]
00:17:17 ◼ ► take a lot of time and honestly I feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1037">TS</a>]
00:17:22 ◼ ► like Intel does pretty well in the high [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1042">TS</a>]
00:17:24 ◼ ► end perhaps better than they do in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1044">TS</a>]
00:17:28 ◼ ► best-case scenario Apple makes something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1048">TS</a>]
00:17:30 ◼ ► that is some singles a double digit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1050">TS</a>]
00:17:32 ◼ ► percentage faster than Intel and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1052">TS</a>]
00:17:35 ◼ ► don't really get a lot of extra points [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1055">TS</a>]
00:17:36 ◼ ► for doing it with less power and is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1056">TS</a>]
00:17:39 ◼ ► on class thing because you know you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1059">TS</a>]
00:17:41 ◼ ► not running them off battery like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1061">TS</a>]
00:17:42 ◼ ► whole point of these machines is they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1062">TS</a>]
00:17:43 ◼ ► plugged into the wall and it's like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1063">TS</a>]
00:17:45 ◼ ► huge amount of power going into them for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1065">TS</a>]
00:17:48 ◼ ► to power everything the RAM or you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1068">TS</a>]
00:17:50 ◼ ► the GPU the separate GPU the multiple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1070">TS</a>]
00:17:52 ◼ ► GPUs and stuff like that so no I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1072">TS</a>]
00:17:59 ◼ ► financially the best thing for Apple to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1079">TS</a>]
00:18:01 ◼ ► do and they have a lot of work to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1081">TS</a>]
00:18:02 ◼ ► I'm still super curious to see if to one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1082">TS</a>]
00:18:07 ◼ ► day discover if we'll ever see a ARM [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1087">TS</a>]
00:18:09 ◼ ► based MacBook Pro certainly Marco has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1089">TS</a>]
00:18:12 ◼ ► thoughts about MacBook Pros these days [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1092">TS</a>]
00:18:15 ◼ ► I didn't actually put that in as a topic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1095">TS</a>]
00:18:17 ◼ ► but we can't talk about that often but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1097">TS</a>]
00:18:19 ◼ ► before we leave this the I would be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1099">TS</a>]
00:18:22 ◼ ► super excited to see I think everybody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1102">TS</a>]
00:18:23 ◼ ► would be every computer nerd would be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1103">TS</a>]
00:18:25 ◼ ► like someone wants to compete with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1105">TS</a>]
00:18:28 ◼ ► high-end CPUs with Intel and that would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1108">TS</a>]
00:18:30 ◼ ► be great and like I said Apple has shown [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1110">TS</a>]
00:18:32 ◼ ► that it's got really good talent to make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1112">TS</a>]
00:18:34 ◼ ► you know it's just a question of will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1114">TS</a>]
00:18:36 ◼ ► does Apple want to make a chip like this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1116">TS</a>]
00:18:37 ◼ ► because if they want to I bet they can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1117">TS</a>]
00:18:40 ◼ ► do a really good job and it would be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1120">TS</a>]
00:18:41 ◼ ► super cool but it still strikes me as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1121">TS</a>]
00:18:44 ◼ ► one of those fantasies like you know the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1124">TS</a>]
00:18:46 ◼ ► pale oak are kind of fantasy of like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1126">TS</a>]
00:18:48 ◼ ► apples gonna make everything its own and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1128">TS</a>]
00:18:51 ◼ ► it's gonna make a special computer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1131">TS</a>]
00:18:52 ◼ ► that's faster than anybody else's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1132">TS</a>]
00:18:53 ◼ ► because you know make their own CPU and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1133">TS</a>]
00:18:55 ◼ ► that would be super cool but I just feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1135">TS</a>]
00:18:58 ◼ ► like it's still pipe dream let's baby [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1138">TS</a>]
00:18:59 ◼ ► steps let's get let's get a new Mac Pro [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1139">TS</a>]
00:19:01 ◼ ► sometime this century and then we'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1141">TS</a>]
00:19:03 ◼ ► think about putting a 64 core ARM chip [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1143">TS</a>]
00:19:08 ◼ ► Richard Ernie writes in and asks a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1148">TS</a>]
00:19:11 ◼ ► disturbingly reasonable question and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1151">TS</a>]
00:19:14 ◼ ► that question is how many iMac pros do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1154">TS</a>]
00:19:17 ◼ ► you think Marco will buy before the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1157">TS</a>]
00:19:19 ◼ ► launch of the Mac Pro I have an either [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1159">TS</a>]
00:19:21 ◼ ► I'd also have an answer okay I feel like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1161">TS</a>]
00:19:26 ◼ ► the answer should be one because you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1166">TS</a>]
00:19:30 ◼ ► will presumably buy the most expensive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1170">TS</a>]
00:19:36 ◼ ► possibly can in the way only Marco can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1176">TS</a>]
00:19:40 ◼ ► but I fear you will somehow talked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1180">TS</a>]
00:19:43 ◼ ► yourself into oh this one thing I really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1183">TS</a>]
00:19:46 ◼ ► don't need and or will make it worse so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1186">TS</a>]
00:19:48 ◼ ► like as an example the dual graphics [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1188">TS</a>]
00:19:51 ◼ ► card MacBook Pros I know there won't be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1191">TS</a>]
00:19:53 ◼ ► a direct equivalent of that in the iMac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1193">TS</a>]
00:19:54 ◼ ► Pro but something along those lines well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1194">TS</a>]
00:19:56 ◼ ► I understand that the dual graphics card [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1196">TS</a>]
00:19:59 ◼ ► Macca pros are hypothetically better but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1199">TS</a>]
00:20:01 ◼ ► they're better in ways that don't matter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1201">TS</a>]
00:20:03 ◼ ► to me so I won't get the maxed out top [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1203">TS</a>]
00:20:05 ◼ ► line MacBook Pro instead I'll get a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1205">TS</a>]
00:20:07 ◼ ► different MacBook Pro so that is the one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1207">TS</a>]
00:20:10 ◼ ► I don't know like wild card if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1210">TS</a>]
00:20:13 ◼ ► somehow convince yourself that oh maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1213">TS</a>]
00:20:15 ◼ ► I don't need the cranked to 11 version [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1215">TS</a>]
00:20:18 ◼ ► of the iMac Pro then I could see you in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1218">TS</a>]
00:20:21 ◼ ► for two because the first one will be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1221">TS</a>]
00:20:22 ◼ ► the the oh I don't need everything and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1222">TS</a>]
00:20:26 ◼ ► terrible mistake I need everything and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1226">TS</a>]
00:20:28 ◼ ► then you'll get the one you should've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1228">TS</a>]
00:20:30 ◼ ► John so you're you're overthinking it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1230">TS</a>]
00:20:31 ◼ ► but also under thinking it my answer so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1231">TS</a>]
00:20:39 ◼ ► he's overthinking it because he's got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1239">TS</a>]
00:20:41 ◼ ► his answer of one but then he's hedging [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1241">TS</a>]
00:20:42 ◼ ► and what about two you're also under [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1242">TS</a>]
00:20:44 ◼ ► thing you're forgetting a very important [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1244">TS</a>]
00:20:46 ◼ ► factor when I read this question I had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1246">TS</a>]
00:20:48 ◼ ► an immediate answer and the answer is he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1248">TS</a>]
00:20:49 ◼ ► will buy two before the launch of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1249">TS</a>]
00:20:51 ◼ ► macro why will he buy two because he'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1251">TS</a>]
00:20:52 ◼ ► get one because he's impatient and he'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1252">TS</a>]
00:20:54 ◼ ► buy one for TIF goodbye to iMac pros [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1254">TS</a>]
00:20:59 ◼ ► before the Mac Pro you're right that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1259">TS</a>]
00:21:02 ◼ ► the answer so Marco not that not that it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1262">TS</a>]
00:21:04 ◼ ► matters because you're gonna be wrong [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1264">TS</a>]
00:21:06 ◼ ► but what do you think the answer is I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1266">TS</a>]
00:21:08 ◼ ► think the answer is most likely to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1268">TS</a>]
00:21:13 ◼ ► oh I call foul right now somebody marked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1273">TS</a>]
00:21:16 ◼ ► this date down I said most likely one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1276">TS</a>]
00:21:19 ◼ ► explained okay so in John way I'll tell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1279">TS</a>]
00:21:22 ◼ ► you that you're both right and wrong and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1282">TS</a>]
00:21:27 ◼ ► so the generous plan that would happy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1287">TS</a>]
00:21:30 ◼ ► buying one is I buy one for myself when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1290">TS</a>]
00:21:34 ◼ ► the Mac Pro comes out I give it to TIFF [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1294">TS</a>]
00:21:36 ◼ ► and I get myself a Mac Pro the case for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1296">TS</a>]
00:21:39 ◼ ► maybe being 0 it basically leads into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1299">TS</a>]
00:21:42 ◼ ► the first topic that we have on this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1302">TS</a>]
00:21:43 ◼ ► list which is labeled in the chat why is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1303">TS</a>]
00:21:45 ◼ ► Marco on his MacBook Pro and the reason [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1305">TS</a>]
00:21:49 ◼ ► why is because my iMac has some issues [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1309">TS</a>]
00:21:51 ◼ ► that I wanted to get repaired in the 8 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1311">TS</a>]
00:21:55 ◼ ► days left in the warranty I mean spiders [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1315">TS</a>]
00:21:57 ◼ ► good call you know one of those is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1317">TS</a>]
00:22:00 ◼ ► the screen has image retention that that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1320">TS</a>]
00:22:02 ◼ ► is probably the biggest issue the issue [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1322">TS</a>]
00:22:04 ◼ ► that like for long term value and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1324">TS</a>]
00:22:08 ◼ ► ability to sell it for a reasonable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1328">TS</a>]
00:22:12 ◼ ► the screen has a screen only issue I am [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1332">TS</a>]
00:22:16 ◼ ► currently without my main desktop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1336">TS</a>]
00:22:18 ◼ ► computer for probably a week maybe a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1338">TS</a>]
00:22:21 ◼ ► little bit less I'm lucky and that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1341">TS</a>]
00:22:23 ◼ ► horrible like it's incredibly disruptive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1343">TS</a>]
00:22:25 ◼ ► so I have let me show you my desktop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1345">TS</a>]
00:22:28 ◼ ► setup here I pasted the link in the chat [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1348">TS</a>]
00:22:29 ◼ ► so the picture I've just shown you is my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1349">TS</a>]
00:22:31 ◼ ► is what I am it's like the old times you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1351">TS</a>]
00:22:43 ◼ ► need some soda can yeah I'm currently [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1363">TS</a>]
00:22:46 ◼ ► very much not satisfied with owning an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1366">TS</a>]
00:22:49 ◼ ► iMac as my primary computer because as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1369">TS</a>]
00:22:51 ◼ ► much as I miss the crap out of it I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1371">TS</a>]
00:22:54 ◼ ► really wish it was separate from the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1374">TS</a>]
00:22:56 ◼ ► screen because then if something went [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1376">TS</a>]
00:22:58 ◼ ► wrong with the screen I could just get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1378">TS</a>]
00:23:01 ◼ ► the screen fixed if something went wrong [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1381">TS</a>]
00:23:03 ◼ ► with the Mac Pro I could plug in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1383">TS</a>]
00:23:06 ◼ ► laptop to the screen on my desk and use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1386">TS</a>]
00:23:08 ◼ ► that as a stand-in desktop all I got the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1388">TS</a>]
00:23:10 ◼ ► desktop serviced but you're not enough [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1390">TS</a>]
00:23:12 ◼ ► of a hardware hoarder to have extra [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1392">TS</a>]
00:23:13 ◼ ► screens around so say it was separating [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1393">TS</a>]
00:23:15 ◼ ► you just had to get the screen repaired [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1395">TS</a>]
00:23:16 ◼ ► you'd have a headless computer with no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1396">TS</a>]
00:23:18 ◼ ► screen and you still have to use your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1398">TS</a>]
00:23:19 ◼ ► laptop because what are you gonna hook [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1399">TS</a>]
00:23:20 ◼ ► up the body of your computer to well I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1400">TS</a>]
00:23:23 ◼ ► could get another screen like I could I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1403">TS</a>]
00:23:25 ◼ ► could please like overnight another [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1405">TS</a>]
00:23:26 ◼ ► screen I forgot it but buying solves [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1406">TS</a>]
00:23:28 ◼ ► everything buying solver an ice cream [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1408">TS</a>]
00:23:30 ◼ ► get the other one fixed and that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1410">TS</a>]
00:23:32 ◼ ► harder to do when it's time act like I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1412">TS</a>]
00:23:33 ◼ ► not gonna buy a whole new iMac to use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1413">TS</a>]
00:23:34 ◼ ► for a week and then return it or sell it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1414">TS</a>]
00:23:36 ◼ ► but you but you'd buy a new 5k monitor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1416">TS</a>]
00:23:40 ◼ ► maybe honestly if I'm losing a week of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1420">TS</a>]
00:23:44 ◼ ► productivity here using my laptop as the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1424">TS</a>]
00:23:46 ◼ ► as my only computer it's it and like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1426">TS</a>]
00:23:48 ◼ ► trying to do iOS development on this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1428">TS</a>]
00:23:52 ◼ ► whoa you're not you're not losing a week [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1432">TS</a>]
00:23:55 ◼ ► you're not losing a week you are you are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1435">TS</a>]
00:23:57 ◼ ► perfectly capable of being productive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1437">TS</a>]
00:23:58 ◼ ► you're just you're too fussy to want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1438">TS</a>]
00:24:01 ◼ ► do no I am doing it like I am powering [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1441">TS</a>]
00:24:03 ◼ ► through and doing it but it's exactly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1443">TS</a>]
00:24:05 ◼ ► and it's it's it's at substantial [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1445">TS</a>]
00:24:08 ◼ ► reduction of productivity to have I to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1448">TS</a>]
00:24:11 ◼ ► lose you know eight inches of screen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1451">TS</a>]
00:24:13 ◼ ► space for a while so it's not great at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1453">TS</a>]
00:24:18 ◼ ► times like this I really make a mental [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1458">TS</a>]
00:24:21 ◼ ► note to say just buy the desktop next [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1461">TS</a>]
00:24:23 ◼ ► time like just like just buy the Mac Pro [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1463">TS</a>]
00:24:26 ◼ ► like the the idea of spending a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1466">TS</a>]
00:24:34 ◼ ► potentially still have that you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1474">TS</a>]
00:24:35 ◼ ► that would still have this limitation of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1475">TS</a>]
00:24:37 ◼ ► like if anything goes wrong with it I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1477">TS</a>]
00:24:38 ◼ ► lose everything for the time it takes to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1478">TS</a>]
00:24:40 ◼ ► get a service also you know the sign Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1480">TS</a>]
00:24:44 ◼ ► is only three years old - eight days and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1484">TS</a>]
00:24:50 ◼ ► annoying things about it and I can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1490">TS</a>]
00:24:53 ◼ ► already see like I might not want to use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1493">TS</a>]
00:24:55 ◼ ► this after you know after the Mac Pro [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1495">TS</a>]
00:24:58 ◼ ► comes out you know and I'm assuming for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1498">TS</a>]
00:25:00 ◼ ► this discussion that the Mac Pro scrum [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1500">TS</a>]
00:25:02 ◼ ► is probably coming out next summer and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1502">TS</a>]
00:25:03 ◼ ► and so if the Mac Pro comes out way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1503">TS</a>]
00:25:06 ◼ ► later than that like if it ends up being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1506">TS</a>]
00:25:07 ◼ ► 2019 or next winter or like you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1507">TS</a>]
00:25:09 ◼ ► this might change things but I might [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1509">TS</a>]
00:25:12 ◼ ► actually just get zero iMac pros because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1512">TS</a>]
00:25:15 ◼ ► the iMac Pro concerns me in the sense [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1515">TS</a>]
00:25:17 ◼ ► that it's really hard to get an iMac to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1517">TS</a>]
00:25:20 ◼ ► function well and be useful for 10 years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1520">TS</a>]
00:25:23 ◼ ► John's Mac Pro is actually doing that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1523">TS</a>]
00:25:26 ◼ ► and you're gonna pay the price of John's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1526">TS</a>]
00:25:30 ◼ ► Mac Pro for an iMac Pro you're gonna pay [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1530">TS</a>]
00:25:33 ◼ ► the the zeon tax you're gonna pay the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1533">TS</a>]
00:25:35 ◼ ► pro tax you're gonna you were gonna pay [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1535">TS</a>]
00:25:37 ◼ ► like what did they say the base price [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1537">TS</a>]
00:25:39 ◼ ► was five thousand five thousand but you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1539">TS</a>]
00:25:42 ◼ ► accounting for inflation ten years ago [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1542">TS</a>]
00:25:43 ◼ ► this is only like 20-some twenty-two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1543">TS</a>]
00:25:45 ◼ ► twenty three hundred dollars this was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1545">TS</a>]
00:25:48 ◼ ► back when the Mac pros were incredibly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1548">TS</a>]
00:25:50 ◼ ► cheap for what you got yeah exactly yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1550">TS</a>]
00:25:52 ◼ ► even with inflation your coming out I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1552">TS</a>]
00:25:53 ◼ ► think pretty far ahead with that and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1553">TS</a>]
00:25:55 ◼ ► the Mac Pro to me like you do pay a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1555">TS</a>]
00:26:01 ◼ ► indefinitely like they like the it will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1561">TS</a>]
00:26:03 ◼ ► last as long as you need them to last [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1563">TS</a>]
00:26:04 ◼ ► and if something does go wrong with them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1564">TS</a>]
00:26:06 ◼ ► you have a much better chance of being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1566">TS</a>]
00:26:08 ◼ ► able to practically and economically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1568">TS</a>]
00:26:10 ◼ ► service it yourself down the road when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1570">TS</a>]
00:26:11 ◼ ► it's out of warranty etc and so the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1571">TS</a>]
00:26:15 ◼ ► lifespan of a Mac Pro tends to be longer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1575">TS</a>]
00:26:17 ◼ ► than the lifespan if not and I'm not I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1577">TS</a>]
00:26:19 ◼ ► not considering the cylinder ones I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1579">TS</a>]
00:26:20 ◼ ► what I'm saying yeah that's what I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1580">TS</a>]
00:26:22 ◼ ► saying you're thinking of the old Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1582">TS</a>]
00:26:23 ◼ ► Pros that's like that's last that's last [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1583">TS</a>]
00:26:25 ◼ ► decade thinking like okay so that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1585">TS</a>]
00:26:27 ◼ ► the case but the most recent Mac Pro [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1587">TS</a>]
00:26:29 ◼ ► Apple is made and none of those things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1589">TS</a>]
00:26:31 ◼ ► are true about it was unreliable from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1591">TS</a>]
00:26:33 ◼ ► the start it wasn't easy to repair [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1593">TS</a>]
00:26:34 ◼ ► yourself and people aren't using them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1594">TS</a>]
00:26:36 ◼ ► well for 10 years so I think you kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1596">TS</a>]
00:26:39 ◼ ► that maybe you won't have a choice of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1599">TS</a>]
00:26:41 ◼ ► something that is big reliable easy to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1601">TS</a>]
00:26:45 ◼ ► repair right maybe like maybe that won't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1605">TS</a>]
00:26:46 ◼ ► be one of your options your options said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1606">TS</a>]
00:26:50 ◼ ► hopefully quieter and more powerful [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1610">TS</a>]
00:26:53 ◼ ► separate screen thing but that it's just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1613">TS</a>]
00:26:55 ◼ ► unreliable as you know as any of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1615">TS</a>]
00:26:59 ◼ ► more recent Apple hardware is and just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1619">TS</a>]
00:27:02 ◼ ► generation has strange problems and all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1622">TS</a>]
00:27:06 ◼ ► pessimistic but like we're all we're all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1626">TS</a>]
00:27:08 ◼ ► kind of thinking like oh the new Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1628">TS</a>]
00:27:10 ◼ ► Pro's will be like the old ones in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1630">TS</a>]
00:27:12 ◼ ► cylinder was an aberration I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1632">TS</a>]
00:27:13 ◼ ► that's still an open question yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1633">TS</a>]
00:27:15 ◼ ► you're totally right it is and and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1635">TS</a>]
00:27:18 ◼ ► know I think the cylinder has taught [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1638">TS</a>]
00:27:20 ◼ ► them some lessons I would not expect a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1640">TS</a>]
00:27:22 ◼ ► return to a giant tower but I would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1642">TS</a>]
00:27:24 ◼ ► accept I would hope that it's maybe kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1644">TS</a>]
00:27:26 ◼ ► of something in the middle there like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1646">TS</a>]
00:27:27 ◼ ► something between a shield of cylinder [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1647">TS</a>]
00:27:29 ◼ ► that you can do nothing to and some kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1649">TS</a>]
00:27:31 ◼ ► of interchangeable parts you know thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1651">TS</a>]
00:27:33 ◼ ► maybe whether it's a tower or not you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1653">TS</a>]
00:27:35 ◼ ► know perhaps a magnesium cube yeah right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1655">TS</a>]
00:27:37 ◼ ► and so I not sure I want to commit to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1657">TS</a>]
00:27:40 ◼ ► and I'm right now if the Mac Pro was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1660">TS</a>]
00:27:42 ◼ ► totally dead and they said you know okay [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1662">TS</a>]
00:27:44 ◼ ► we're launching the iMac Pro the Mac Pro [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1664">TS</a>]
00:27:46 ◼ ► is is discontinued we're never gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1666">TS</a>]
00:27:47 ◼ ► make one again we're just doing the Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1667">TS</a>]
00:27:49 ◼ ► Pro then this decision was easy of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1669">TS</a>]
00:27:51 ◼ ► course I would buy one but because there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1671">TS</a>]
00:27:53 ◼ ► is a Mac Pro allegedly coming I want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1673">TS</a>]
00:27:56 ◼ ► wait to see what that is first before I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1676">TS</a>]
00:27:59 ◼ ► decide because if it's closer to what I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1679">TS</a>]
00:28:01 ◼ ► want in having things separate and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1681">TS</a>]
00:28:06 ◼ ► you know CPU options and stuff like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1686">TS</a>]
00:28:07 ◼ ► who knows if it's more what I want I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1687">TS</a>]
00:28:10 ◼ ► would choose that the other thing I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1690">TS</a>]
00:28:11 ◼ ► worried about with the iMac Pro is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1691">TS</a>]
00:28:13 ◼ ► thermals this is a completely new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1693">TS</a>]
00:28:16 ◼ ► thermal design that basically they are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1696">TS</a>]
00:28:19 ◼ ► they are wedging much much higher hotter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1699">TS</a>]
00:28:24 ◼ ► higher wattage hotter running parts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1704">TS</a>]
00:28:26 ◼ ► inside of an enclosure that they didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1706">TS</a>]
00:28:30 ◼ ► design the size for like they took the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1710">TS</a>]
00:28:35 ◼ ► size of the other iMac and it seemed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1715">TS</a>]
00:28:37 ◼ ► that they basically had as a design goal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1717">TS</a>]
00:28:38 ◼ ► fit these higher-end hotter parts inside [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1718">TS</a>]
00:28:42 ◼ ► of this case that we designed for this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1722">TS</a>]
00:28:43 ◼ ► other computer and while they seem to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1723">TS</a>]
00:28:45 ◼ ► have done a lot of work about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1725">TS</a>]
00:28:47 ◼ ► internal design of it and dealing with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1727">TS</a>]
00:28:49 ◼ ► the internal arrangement to those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1729">TS</a>]
00:28:50 ◼ ► thermals and everything the fact that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1730">TS</a>]
00:28:53 ◼ ► criminal case for it that they basically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1733">TS</a>]
00:28:55 ◼ ► said you know wedge this into that that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1735">TS</a>]
00:29:00 ◼ ► limitations and side effects that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1740">TS</a>]
00:29:02 ◼ ► don't like so maybe things were gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1742">TS</a>]
00:29:04 ◼ ► overheat and and you know be bad over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1744">TS</a>]
00:29:08 ◼ ► I have with my iMac is that the GPU fan [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1748">TS</a>]
00:29:10 ◼ ► is now or the GPU now runs too hot and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1750">TS</a>]
00:29:12 ◼ ► the fan goes up constantly and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1752">TS</a>]
00:29:14 ◼ ► audible of my recordings which is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1754">TS</a>]
00:29:15 ◼ ► most one of the reasons I've finally got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1755">TS</a>]
00:29:17 ◼ ► it fixed because I can't have that and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1757">TS</a>]
00:29:20 ◼ ► you know maybe that's because these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1760">TS</a>]
00:29:23 ◼ ► parts in that in that case like I got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1763">TS</a>]
00:29:26 ◼ ► top-of-the-line parts when it was out so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1766">TS</a>]
00:29:28 ◼ ► these are you know running pretty hot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1768">TS</a>]
00:29:29 ◼ ► over three years and eventually that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1769">TS</a>]
00:29:30 ◼ ► starts to have problems with cooling I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1770">TS</a>]
00:29:33 ◼ ► fear whether the iMac pro will have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1773">TS</a>]
00:29:35 ◼ ► those problems or not because you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1775">TS</a>]
00:29:37 ◼ ► taking these hot parts and putting them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1777">TS</a>]
00:29:38 ◼ ► into a case that is designed to be thin [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1778">TS</a>]
00:29:40 ◼ ► for some reason even though nobody cares [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1780">TS</a>]
00:29:42 ◼ ► about how thick their desktop display is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1782">TS</a>]
00:29:44 ◼ ► on the back but it's designed to be thin [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1784">TS</a>]
00:29:46 ◼ ► rather than being designed to hold Pro [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1786">TS</a>]
00:29:48 ◼ ► components the Mac Pro towers on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1788">TS</a>]
00:29:51 ◼ ► other hand with the exception of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1791">TS</a>]
00:29:52 ◼ ► cylinder of course although even that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1792">TS</a>]
00:29:54 ◼ ► the cylinder did have a really clever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1794">TS</a>]
00:29:55 ◼ ► cooling design that was really good as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1795">TS</a>]
00:29:57 ◼ ► long as you didn't use the GPUs but the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1797">TS</a>]
00:30:01 ◼ ► the Mac Pro towers were always like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1801">TS</a>]
00:30:03 ◼ ► we're gonna design a complete enclosure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1803">TS</a>]
00:30:07 ◼ ► a complete shape around being able to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1807">TS</a>]
00:30:11 ◼ ► hold and cool the entire range of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1811">TS</a>]
00:30:15 ◼ ► high-end pro parts that we're gonna sell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1815">TS</a>]
00:30:17 ◼ ► for this thing so I think it was always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1817">TS</a>]
00:30:20 ◼ ► more likely that there would be fewer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1820">TS</a>]
00:30:21 ◼ ► problems with thermals and things like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1821">TS</a>]
00:30:24 ◼ ► that with the Mac Pro towers then with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1824">TS</a>]
00:30:27 ◼ ► the IMAX so I'm again like with the iMac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1827">TS</a>]
00:30:31 ◼ ► Pro like I we still don't know how loud [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1831">TS</a>]
00:30:34 ◼ ► is it going to be like are the fans [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1834">TS</a>]
00:30:35 ◼ ► gonna spin up constantly and be audible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1835">TS</a>]
00:30:37 ◼ ► or not because the Mac pros are the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1837">TS</a>]
00:30:40 ◼ ► noise level regardless of what they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1840">TS</a>]
00:30:41 ◼ ► doing pretty much so like a Mac Pro you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1841">TS</a>]
00:30:44 ◼ ► know you don't really hear it and iMac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1844">TS</a>]
00:30:46 ◼ ► you hear it if you push it and that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1846">TS</a>]
00:30:48 ◼ ► kind of ungraceful and I kind of suggest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1848">TS</a>]
00:30:50 ◼ ► thermals that don't have a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1850">TS</a>]
00:30:51 ◼ ► headroom and everything else now there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1851">TS</a>]
00:30:52 ◼ ► was talk there was a weird Geekbench [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1852">TS</a>]
00:30:55 ◼ ► result that may or may not be real we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1855">TS</a>]
00:30:58 ◼ ► don't really know people are believing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1858">TS</a>]
00:30:59 ◼ ► that it might be real that might be the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1859">TS</a>]
00:31:01 ◼ ► new iMac pro CPUs and they were they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1861">TS</a>]
00:31:06 ◼ ► were reporting that they were basically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1866">TS</a>]
00:31:07 ◼ ► version of the workstation class like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1867">TS</a>]
00:31:10 ◼ ► those eons typically the the highest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1870">TS</a>]
00:31:13 ◼ ► performance eons for desktops they end [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1873">TS</a>]
00:31:15 ◼ ► in W for workstation at the end of their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1875">TS</a>]
00:31:17 ◼ ► model number and this usually means the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1877">TS</a>]
00:31:20 ◼ ► absolute highest clock speed for that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1880">TS</a>]
00:31:22 ◼ ► core account that is available because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1882">TS</a>]
00:31:24 ◼ ► it's going to burn lots of power so it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1884">TS</a>]
00:31:25 ◼ ► not quite great for like big server [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1885">TS</a>]
00:31:27 ◼ ► racks but it's gonna burn lots of power [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1887">TS</a>]
00:31:29 ◼ ► but it's gonna be really really fast for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1889">TS</a>]
00:31:31 ◼ ► a desktop and it's gonna need a huge fan [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1891">TS</a>]
00:31:32 ◼ ► so those parts usually end in W the ones [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1892">TS</a>]
00:31:35 ◼ ► and Geekbench ended in W B or just be I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1895">TS</a>]
00:31:37 ◼ ► think anyway and they seem to be running [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1897">TS</a>]
00:31:40 ◼ ► at lower clock speeds than what we did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1900">TS</a>]
00:31:42 ◼ ► what we'd expect still good still really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1902">TS</a>]
00:31:44 ◼ ► fast but it looks like they might be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1904">TS</a>]
00:31:47 ◼ ► having to use lower wattage chips in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1907">TS</a>]
00:31:49 ◼ ► these iMacs then what a full xeon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1909">TS</a>]
00:31:51 ◼ ► workstation chip would be in like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1911">TS</a>]
00:31:53 ◼ ► tower and that's most likely for thermal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1913">TS</a>]
00:31:56 ◼ ► roots but those are 140 watt chips [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1916">TS</a>]
00:31:57 ◼ ► hundred and 50 watt chips usually an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1917">TS</a>]
00:31:59 ◼ ► iMac chassis is usually designed to hold [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1919">TS</a>]
00:32:02 ◼ ► like I think like a 60 or 80 watt chip [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1922">TS</a>]
00:32:03 ◼ ► and yet again they have redesigned the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1923">TS</a>]
00:32:06 ◼ ► internals of this to be to offer more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1926">TS</a>]
00:32:08 ◼ ► cooling to fit higher wattage parts but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1928">TS</a>]
00:32:10 ◼ ► they also needs to leave room for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1930">TS</a>]
00:32:11 ◼ ► GPU and so like there's basically I we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1931">TS</a>]
00:32:16 ◼ ► still don't know what the trade-offs are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1936">TS</a>]
00:32:19 ◼ ► to get workstation grade components into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1939">TS</a>]
00:32:22 ◼ ► an iMac pro into the same case size and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1942">TS</a>]
00:32:25 ◼ ► I'm guessing the trade-offs are going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1945">TS</a>]
00:32:28 ◼ ► be related to fan noise under load and a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1948">TS</a>]
00:32:31 ◼ ► possible heat sealing that might limit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1951">TS</a>]
00:32:34 ◼ ► the range of performance they can get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1954">TS</a>]
00:32:36 ◼ ► out of those processors whereas the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1956">TS</a>]
00:32:38 ◼ ► full-blown Mac Pro that I hope will come [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1958">TS</a>]
00:32:42 ◼ ► that shouldn't have those limitations [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1962">TS</a>]
00:32:44 ◼ ► that should be able to use full wattage [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1964">TS</a>]
00:32:46 ◼ ► parts that should have a cooling system [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1966">TS</a>]
00:32:48 ◼ ► that has lots of headroom and that can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1968">TS</a>]
00:32:50 ◼ ► cool quietly under load I don't know if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1970">TS</a>]
00:32:52 ◼ ► it will but it should and because the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1972">TS</a>]
00:32:54 ◼ ► previous ones did all of them even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1974">TS</a>]
00:32:55 ◼ ► though 2013 had that so I hope the Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1975">TS</a>]
00:32:59 ◼ ► Pro offers those things and if it does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1979">TS</a>]
00:33:01 ◼ ► that's the computer I want to buy not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1981">TS</a>]
00:33:03 ◼ ► the iMac Pro but because neither of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1983">TS</a>]
00:33:06 ◼ ► these computers are out yet there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1986">TS</a>]
00:33:07 ◼ ► probably gonna be other factors that go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1987">TS</a>]
00:33:09 ◼ ► into it so if possible I will I hope [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1989">TS</a>]
00:33:12 ◼ ► that my imac coming back from repair who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1992">TS</a>]
00:33:16 ◼ ► can last me until the Mac Pro comes out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/1996">TS</a>]
00:33:24 ◼ ► hot-looking new iMac Pro and say no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2004">TS</a>]
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00:34:38 ◼ ► with just calm or not beige or some of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2078">TS</a>]
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00:35:15 ◼ ► cooling in one of the many interviews [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2115">TS</a>]
00:35:18 ◼ ► and books that never seems to happen if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2118">TS</a>]
00:35:19 ◼ ► I could get like Johnny I've and all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2119">TS</a>]
00:35:22 ◼ ► John Rubinstein and all the people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2122">TS</a>]
00:35:24 ◼ ► together and ask them about like past [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2124">TS</a>]
00:35:27 ◼ ► apples lines I would love to know what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2127">TS</a>]
00:35:30 ◼ ► what changed between like the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2130">TS</a>]
00:35:34 ◼ ► you know nowadays and back one Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2134">TS</a>]
00:35:37 ◼ ► maid then you know the cheese grater [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2137">TS</a>]
00:35:39 ◼ ► because if you think about the cheese [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2139">TS</a>]
00:35:40 ◼ ► beer and this is what I always hope that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2140">TS</a>]
00:35:41 ◼ ► the the new Mac Pro design will be but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2141">TS</a>]
00:35:43 ◼ ► who knows what it'll actually be the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2143">TS</a>]
00:35:45 ◼ ► cheese grater as you noted and as they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2145">TS</a>]
00:35:48 ◼ ► as Johnny Ivan his white world said I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2148">TS</a>]
00:35:50 ◼ ► think in the introduction for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2150">TS</a>]
00:35:51 ◼ ► original cheese where that you know the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2151">TS</a>]
00:35:52 ◼ ► power mac g5 the design of it was not so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2152">TS</a>]
00:35:59 ◼ ► much like all the modern Johnny I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2159">TS</a>]
00:36:01 ◼ ► they're not just running out for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2161">TS</a>]
00:36:02 ◼ ► modern Apple designs like bye-bye Johnny [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2162">TS</a>]
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00:36:13 ◼ ► they do for things that are like phones [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2173">TS</a>]
00:36:14 ◼ ► or portable things where they don't want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2174">TS</a>]
00:36:16 ◼ ► a lot of geegaws hanging off it whereas [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2176">TS</a>]
00:36:18 ◼ ► the cheese grater was we wanted to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2178">TS</a>]
00:36:22 ◼ ► honest about the fact that the main job [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2182">TS</a>]
00:36:27 ◼ ► exchanger like it was modeled off of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2187">TS</a>]
00:36:29 ◼ ► heat exchangers or air exchangers like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2189">TS</a>]
00:36:31 ◼ ► that are up in rooms that suck in air [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2191">TS</a>]
00:36:33 ◼ ► and one with temperature on one side and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2193">TS</a>]
00:36:34 ◼ ► ejected out the other side a different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2194">TS</a>]
00:36:36 ◼ ► temperature I think somebody said like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2196">TS</a>]
00:36:37 ◼ ► that the actual cheese grater was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2197">TS</a>]
00:36:39 ◼ ► modeled off a heat exchanger right and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2199">TS</a>]
00:36:41 ◼ ► so it wasn't designed to be the most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2201">TS</a>]
00:36:43 ◼ ► sort of well you know it was designed to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2203">TS</a>]
00:36:47 ◼ ► be true to its purpose but its purpose [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2207">TS</a>]
00:36:51 ◼ ► wasn't to be a beautiful object right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2211">TS</a>]
00:36:54 ◼ ► its purpose wasn't to be portable and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2214">TS</a>]
00:36:57 ◼ ► uncomplicated and you know simple and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2217">TS</a>]
00:37:00 ◼ ► obvious its purpose was to exchange heat [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2220">TS</a>]
00:37:03 ◼ ► like that was the purpose and so it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2223">TS</a>]
00:37:06 ◼ ► designed with that as a goal and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2226">TS</a>]
00:37:09 ◼ ► seems like so many things that Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2229">TS</a>]
00:37:11 ◼ ► makes nowadays are designed with a with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2231">TS</a>]
00:37:14 ◼ ► a simplicity of form as a goal which is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2234">TS</a>]
00:37:16 ◼ ► a fine goal especially for portable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2236">TS</a>]
00:37:18 ◼ ► things but as you said nobody really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2238">TS</a>]
00:37:20 ◼ ► cares that much about the simplicity of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2240">TS</a>]
00:37:22 ◼ ► form like if a more honest I Mac Pro on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2242">TS</a>]
00:37:26 ◼ ► the back of it would have looked like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2246">TS</a>]
00:37:28 ◼ ► the back of a transformer like it would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2248">TS</a>]
00:37:30 ◼ ► look like a giant heatsink it would have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2250">TS</a>]
00:37:32 ◼ ► had bulges and flares and fins or what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2252">TS</a>]
00:37:34 ◼ ► it looked like the underside of like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2254">TS</a>]
00:37:36 ◼ ► Ferrari like all sorts of ground effects [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2256">TS</a>]
00:37:38 ◼ ► and like a diffuser like it would say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2258">TS</a>]
00:37:41 ◼ ► the back of this computer is all about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2261">TS</a>]
00:37:43 ◼ ► ejecting heat because honestly speaking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2263">TS</a>]
00:37:45 ◼ ► what is the purpose of this computer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2265">TS</a>]
00:37:48 ◼ ► it's not the iMac that's simple and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2268">TS</a>]
00:37:49 ◼ ► elegant just looks like a screen and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2269">TS</a>]
00:37:51 ◼ ► say where is the computer no this is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2271">TS</a>]
00:37:53 ◼ ► iMac Pro its job is to be the fastest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2273">TS</a>]
00:37:56 ◼ ► possible all-in-one computer that human [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2276">TS</a>]
00:37:59 ◼ ► beings can make and the main problem of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2279">TS</a>]
00:38:01 ◼ ► a fast all-in-one computer is getting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2281">TS</a>]
00:38:03 ◼ ► rid of the damn heat so the back of it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2283">TS</a>]
00:38:05 ◼ ► looks crazy and just as big and chunky [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2285">TS</a>]
00:38:07 ◼ ► and as you know coming out the wazoo and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2287">TS</a>]
00:38:10 ◼ ► that's what the cheese grater is it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2290">TS</a>]
00:38:12 ◼ ► a big giant thing cold air and front hot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2292">TS</a>]
00:38:14 ◼ ► air out back gigantic fans nine fans [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2294">TS</a>]
00:38:17 ◼ ► Steve Jobs was raving or however many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2297">TS</a>]
00:38:18 ◼ ► the original on hand look at all these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2298">TS</a>]
00:38:20 ◼ ► fans they're all computer-controlled to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2300">TS</a>]
00:38:22 ◼ ► be just the right amount of cooling at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2302">TS</a>]
00:38:23 ◼ ► the right so then I'll run full blast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2303">TS</a>]
00:38:24 ◼ ► all the time you know there is an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2304">TS</a>]
00:38:28 ◼ ► purpose-built to let you house all that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2308">TS</a>]
00:38:30 ◼ ► hot stuff and get it cooled so I hope [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2310">TS</a>]
00:38:34 ◼ ► the Mac Pro is not like the trash camera [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2314">TS</a>]
00:38:36 ◼ ► it's like what is the essence or a form [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2316">TS</a>]
00:38:38 ◼ ► of the Mac probably like I want it to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2318">TS</a>]
00:38:41 ◼ ► functional and the function is heat [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2321">TS</a>]
00:38:44 ◼ ► exchange and things whose function is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2324">TS</a>]
00:38:46 ◼ ► heat exchange don't look like lozenges [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2326">TS</a>]
00:38:48 ◼ ► bars of soap or simple elegant design I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2328">TS</a>]
00:38:52 ◼ ► mean in many respects the chimney Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2332">TS</a>]
00:38:54 ◼ ► Pro the trashcan Mac Pro does have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2334">TS</a>]
00:38:56 ◼ ► purity of purpose cold air and bottom [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2336">TS</a>]
00:38:59 ◼ ► hot air out top just like the g4 cube [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2339">TS</a>]
00:39:00 ◼ ► right but it was not designed to be like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2340">TS</a>]
00:39:03 ◼ ► how much heat can we get rid of because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2343">TS</a>]
00:39:06 ◼ ► they just had you know the two GPUs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2346">TS</a>]
00:39:08 ◼ ► there in the CPU and they couldn't even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2348">TS</a>]
00:39:10 ◼ ► cool them well enough like so it was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2350">TS</a>]
00:39:11 ◼ ► clever design for its size but it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2351">TS</a>]
00:39:13 ◼ ► very very small if you want to build [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2353">TS</a>]
00:39:15 ◼ ► something with a massive heat exchange [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2355">TS</a>]
00:39:16 ◼ ► and capacity you make it bigger you want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2356">TS</a>]
00:39:18 ◼ ► to have excess capacity not be right on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2358">TS</a>]
00:39:21 ◼ ► so anyway getting back to what I said I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2361">TS</a>]
00:39:23 ◼ ► would ask them like it's like the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2363">TS</a>]
00:39:25 ◼ ► people who were there Johnny I've made [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2365">TS</a>]
00:39:27 ◼ ► the cheese grater but now he's making [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2367">TS</a>]
00:39:29 ◼ ► all these beautiful featureless things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2369">TS</a>]
00:39:31 ◼ ► what changed surely it wasn't Steve Jobs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2371">TS</a>]
00:39:34 ◼ ► saying please make me something that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2374">TS</a>]
00:39:35 ◼ ► looks like the underside of a Ferrari [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2375">TS</a>]
00:39:37 ◼ ► right so someone there was like okay was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2377">TS</a>]
00:39:40 ◼ ► like in the design brief the main job of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2380">TS</a>]
00:39:43 ◼ ► the thing that you are making is to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2383">TS</a>]
00:39:45 ◼ ► an efficient heat exchanger do that in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2385">TS</a>]
00:39:47 ◼ ► the most elegant way that you can and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2387">TS</a>]
00:39:49 ◼ ► don't imagine Steve Jobs was forcing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2389">TS</a>]
00:39:51 ◼ ► Johnny I have to do that Steve Jobs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2391">TS</a>]
00:39:52 ◼ ► probably wanted it to be like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2392">TS</a>]
00:39:53 ◼ ► trashcan like he doesn't like all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2393">TS</a>]
00:39:55 ◼ ► big you know bins and and you know holes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2395">TS</a>]
00:39:58 ◼ ► all over the front and back and giant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2398">TS</a>]
00:39:59 ◼ ► fans and stuff he just accepts that as a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2399">TS</a>]
00:40:01 ◼ ► business but they did the best job they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2401">TS</a>]
00:40:02 ◼ ► could with it but it's like the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2402">TS</a>]
00:40:04 ◼ ► people are there but the philosophy has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2404">TS</a>]
00:40:07 ◼ ► changed and Apple has stopped making [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2407">TS</a>]
00:40:09 ◼ ► computers like that whose purpose is not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2409">TS</a>]
00:40:12 ◼ ► to be simple obvious white Apple pencil [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2412">TS</a>]
00:40:15 ◼ ► with no things on it and just this pew [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2415">TS</a>]
00:40:17 ◼ ► who you know beautiful perfect form so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2417">TS</a>]
00:40:20 ◼ ► anyway when Johnny comes on the show ask [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2420">TS</a>]
00:40:22 ◼ ► him about it and see like has he changed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2422">TS</a>]
00:40:24 ◼ ► his mind has his philosophy evolved was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2424">TS</a>]
00:40:28 ◼ ► there someone forcing him to make those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2428">TS</a>]
00:40:30 ◼ ► older computers the way they were was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2430">TS</a>]
00:40:32 ◼ ► someone forcing him to put all those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2432">TS</a>]
00:40:33 ◼ ► ports on the side of his laptops like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2433">TS</a>]
00:40:35 ◼ ► don't know so many questions Johnny come [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2435">TS</a>]
00:40:37 ◼ ► on the show will talk yeah that's gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2437">TS</a>]
00:40:39 ◼ ► have it no I mean I totally agree and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2439">TS</a>]
00:40:42 ◼ ► wish Apple you know like you know Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2442">TS</a>]
00:40:45 ◼ ► is you know famously you know talked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2445">TS</a>]
00:40:47 ◼ ► about courage to remove the headphone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2447">TS</a>]
00:40:49 ◼ ► jack and you know that an Apple is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2449">TS</a>]
00:40:51 ◼ ► very considered a very bold company for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2451">TS</a>]
00:40:53 ◼ ► that the courageous designs they make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2453">TS</a>]
00:40:55 ◼ ► what they lack it seems like in the in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2455">TS</a>]
00:40:59 ◼ ► the in the hardware designs of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2459">TS</a>]
00:41:01 ◼ ► computers is not courage but confidence [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2461">TS</a>]
00:41:04 ◼ ► they need the confidence to know that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2464">TS</a>]
00:41:09 ◼ ► they can make something that sacrifices [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2469">TS</a>]
00:41:12 ◼ ► visual symmetry for functionality that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2472">TS</a>]
00:41:15 ◼ ► doesn't take courage it takes confidence [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2475">TS</a>]
00:41:18 ◼ ► because you have to be able to to know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2478">TS</a>]
00:41:20 ◼ ► in your head that even if the press says [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2480">TS</a>]
00:41:22 ◼ ► oh you know it got thicker or wow that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2482">TS</a>]
00:41:26 ◼ ► iMac it looks pretty thick from the back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2486">TS</a>]
00:41:30 ◼ ► confident enough to be able to say we we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2490">TS</a>]
00:41:34 ◼ ► believe in our design because it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2494">TS</a>]
00:41:36 ◼ ► better that way even though you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2496">TS</a>]
00:41:38 ◼ ► saying it doesn't look as good or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2498">TS</a>]
00:41:39 ◼ ► whatever we know that it works better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2499">TS</a>]
00:41:42 ◼ ► and it seems like they don't have that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2502">TS</a>]
00:41:44 ◼ ► confidence anymore or it's not being you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2504">TS</a>]
00:41:47 ◼ ► know properly enforced somewhere on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2507">TS</a>]
00:41:51 ◼ ► computer nothing about its physical form [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2511">TS</a>]
00:41:54 ◼ ► should unnecessarily detract from how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2514">TS</a>]
00:41:58 ◼ ► great of a computer it can be and there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2518">TS</a>]
00:42:01 ◼ ► are certain models in the lineup where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2521">TS</a>]
00:42:02 ◼ ► you'd make a different choice you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2522">TS</a>]
00:42:04 ◼ ► so things like the 12-inch MacBook where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2524">TS</a>]
00:42:06 ◼ ► the whole role of this computer is what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2526">TS</a>]
00:42:09 ◼ ► is the absolute smallest thinnest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2529">TS</a>]
00:42:10 ◼ ► lightest computer we can make and have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2530">TS</a>]
00:42:12 ◼ ► it still be remotely usable so then you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2532">TS</a>]
00:42:15 ◼ ► but as you go up the line as you get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2535">TS</a>]
00:42:17 ◼ ► more and more to the larger and higher [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2537">TS</a>]
00:42:19 ◼ ► end and pro machines and especially once [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2539">TS</a>]
00:42:21 ◼ ► you get into things like desktops which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2541">TS</a>]
00:42:23 ◼ ► are kind of pro by nature and have very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2543">TS</a>]
00:42:25 ◼ ► different you know physical demands [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2545">TS</a>]
00:42:27 ◼ ► around them in very different usage [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2547">TS</a>]
00:42:28 ◼ ► around them the decision always has to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2548">TS</a>]
00:42:31 ◼ ► be made the other way of yeah you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2551">TS</a>]
00:42:33 ◼ ► what you can make it beautiful have the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2553">TS</a>]
00:42:35 ◼ ► confidence to know that you could make a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2555">TS</a>]
00:42:36 ◼ ► beautiful design while still letting it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2556">TS</a>]
00:42:39 ◼ ► function well as the computer that it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2559">TS</a>]
00:42:41 ◼ ► has to be and it seems like Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2561">TS</a>]
00:42:44 ◼ ► doesn't have that confidence anymore or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2564">TS</a>]
00:42:45 ◼ ► at least or they don't have that ability [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2565">TS</a>]
00:42:47 ◼ ► anymore which is even more concerning I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2567">TS</a>]
00:42:50 ◼ ► understand your point I deeply disagree [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2570">TS</a>]
00:42:53 ◼ ► and I think they're showing external [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2573">TS</a>]
00:42:55 ◼ ► confidence by doing things like going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2575">TS</a>]
00:42:57 ◼ ► all-in on USB see right because USB see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2577">TS</a>]
00:43:01 ◼ ► was not it did not have a terribly great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2581">TS</a>]
00:43:04 ◼ ► story when the MacBook and the MacBook [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2584">TS</a>]
00:43:06 ◼ ► Pros went all-in on USB see and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2586">TS</a>]
00:43:09 ◼ ► gotten better but as you recently wrote [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2589">TS</a>]
00:43:11 ◼ ► about the story isn't that great now I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2591">TS</a>]
00:43:14 ◼ ► know that's exactly I was gonna say it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2594">TS</a>]
00:43:16 ◼ ► gotten better but without question there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2596">TS</a>]
00:43:19 ◼ ► is a long way to go and I thought your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2599">TS</a>]
00:43:21 ◼ ► posts touched on that really well or I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2601">TS</a>]
00:43:23 ◼ ► shouldn't say touched on it handled it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2603">TS</a>]
00:43:24 ◼ ► really well so I think they're showing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2604">TS</a>]
00:43:28 ◼ ► external confidence but with a few [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2608">TS</a>]
00:43:31 ◼ ► tweaks I think what I would say is it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2611">TS</a>]
00:43:34 ◼ ► the internal confidence that they lack [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2614">TS</a>]
00:43:36 ◼ ► it's the internal confidence for some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2616">TS</a>]
00:43:38 ◼ ► designer or whomever to go to Johnny and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2618">TS</a>]
00:43:42 ◼ ► say you know what maybe we should make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2622">TS</a>]
00:43:44 ◼ ► this a little thicker or you know what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2624">TS</a>]
00:43:46 ◼ ► and maybe more than one port on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2626">TS</a>]
00:43:49 ◼ ► MacBook adorable would be useful or you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2629">TS</a>]
00:43:51 ◼ ► know what maybe MagSafe wasn't so bad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2631">TS</a>]
00:43:55 ◼ ► and I think the problem is internal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2635">TS</a>]
00:43:57 ◼ ► courage to stand up to whoever's calling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2637">TS</a>]
00:44:00 ◼ ► the shots on why it is these things are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2640">TS</a>]
00:44:04 ◼ ► as it appears to us very crippled like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2644">TS</a>]
00:44:08 ◼ ► they're great machines I love my macbook [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2648">TS</a>]
00:44:10 ◼ ► adorable I really do but damned if it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2650">TS</a>]
00:44:13 ◼ ► wouldn't be great if I had one more port [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2653">TS</a>]
00:44:14 ◼ ► on it you know or damned if it wouldn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2654">TS</a>]
00:44:15 ◼ ► be great if I had MagSafe on it cuz just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2655">TS</a>]
00:44:18 ◼ ► yesterday I think it was I ripped it off [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2658">TS</a>]
00:44:21 ◼ ► my nightstand it was charging on my god [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2661">TS</a>]
00:44:23 ◼ ► I caught the cable with my foot and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2663">TS</a>]
00:44:26 ◼ ► came flying off my nightstand it's fine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2666">TS</a>]
00:44:29 ◼ ► but did it land in a pool of water and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2669">TS</a>]
00:44:31 ◼ ► no it did not land in a pool of water [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2671">TS</a>]
00:44:32 ◼ ► thank goodness the water beds are not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2672">TS</a>]
00:44:35 ◼ ► trendy so we were safe there God can you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2675">TS</a>]
00:44:37 ◼ ► imagine me with a water bed that'd be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2677">TS</a>]
00:44:38 ◼ ► terrible they still have their fans in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2678">TS</a>]
00:44:40 ◼ ► any case the point I'm driving at is I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2680">TS</a>]
00:44:43 ◼ ► think it's the internal confidence it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2683">TS</a>]
00:44:44 ◼ ► a problem that nobody's standing up to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2684">TS</a>]
00:44:46 ◼ ► Johnny or the the mythical version of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2686">TS</a>]
00:44:48 ◼ ► Johnny who know you even know it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2688">TS</a>]
00:44:50 ◼ ► really Johnny anymore but the mythical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2690">TS</a>]
00:44:52 ◼ ► Johnny who is saying no this MacBook [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2692">TS</a>]
00:44:54 ◼ ► adorable will have only one port no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2694">TS</a>]
00:44:56 ◼ ► these butterfly switches are the only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2696">TS</a>]
00:44:58 ◼ ► way to go you know whoever is making [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2698">TS</a>]
00:45:01 ◼ ► those decisions be that an individual or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2701">TS</a>]
00:45:02 ◼ ► or a committee I think it's that lack of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2702">TS</a>]
00:45:05 ◼ ► internal confidence to say to them no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2705">TS</a>]
00:45:09 ◼ ► this isn't good enough they we do need [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2709">TS</a>]
00:45:12 ◼ ► one more port on the adorable we do need [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2712">TS</a>]
00:45:14 ◼ ► better keyboard switches or whatever the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2714">TS</a>]
00:45:17 ◼ ► case may be you know I think that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2717">TS</a>]
00:45:18 ◼ ► where it's lacking like I said it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2718">TS</a>]
00:45:21 ◼ ► it's like what is the design brief what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2721">TS</a>]
00:45:23 ◼ ► is the goal here and I think you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2723">TS</a>]
00:45:25 ◼ ► and the Philon I and philosophy and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2725">TS</a>]
00:45:27 ◼ ► goal for a lot of portal devices is very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2727">TS</a>]
00:45:28 ◼ ► often don't have so much crap on it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2728">TS</a>]
00:45:31 ◼ ► don't have a million buttons don't have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2731">TS</a>]
00:45:34 ◼ ► waterproof it's simpler it should look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2734">TS</a>]
00:45:36 ◼ ► simple and obvious having the front be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2736">TS</a>]
00:45:38 ◼ ► all screen is a natural evolution of not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2738">TS</a>]
00:45:41 ◼ ► having a hardware keyboard one I just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2741">TS</a>]
00:45:42 ◼ ► have a screen and what a single button [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2742">TS</a>]
00:45:44 ◼ ► on the front leave that kind of element [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2744">TS</a>]
00:45:45 ◼ ► bill simplicity is very appropriate for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2745">TS</a>]
00:45:48 ◼ ► a certain class of devices that Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2748">TS</a>]
00:45:49 ◼ ► happens to sell love because you don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2749">TS</a>]
00:45:51 ◼ ► want a phone with the million things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2751">TS</a>]
00:45:53 ◼ ► sticking out of it for most consumers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2753">TS</a>]
00:45:55 ◼ ► it's supposed to be a thing that fits in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2755">TS</a>]
00:45:57 ◼ ► your pocket and even laptops you can see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2757">TS</a>]
00:45:58 ◼ ► an argument for their laptop they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2758">TS</a>]
00:46:00 ◼ ► simpler when there's less stuff when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2760">TS</a>]
00:46:02 ◼ ► there's fewer moving parts fewer seems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2762">TS</a>]
00:46:04 ◼ ► like you know just compare the original [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2764">TS</a>]
00:46:07 ◼ ► aluminum you know PowerBook g4 to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2767">TS</a>]
00:46:10 ◼ ► occurring unibody one the design goals [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2770">TS</a>]
00:46:13 ◼ ► and evolution of that trying to say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2773">TS</a>]
00:46:15 ◼ ► simplify simplify simplify a better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2775">TS</a>]
00:46:18 ◼ ► portable computer because it flexes less [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2778">TS</a>]
00:46:19 ◼ ► because it's you know it has fewer seams [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2779">TS</a>]
00:46:22 ◼ ► it has fewer things to go wrong on it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2782">TS</a>]
00:46:25 ◼ ► even the hinge is more robust and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2785">TS</a>]
00:46:27 ◼ ► everything about it is simpler and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2787">TS</a>]
00:46:29 ◼ ► that extending to start taking ports off [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2789">TS</a>]
00:46:31 ◼ ► now you start to get into you know I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2791">TS</a>]
00:46:32 ◼ ► not quite sure about that but you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2792">TS</a>]
00:46:35 ◼ ► simplicity but where this goes awry is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2795">TS</a>]
00:46:42 ◼ ► the story has to be different your goal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2802">TS</a>]
00:46:44 ◼ ► has to be different you can't take that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2804">TS</a>]
00:46:46 ◼ ► same design philosophy that works for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2806">TS</a>]
00:46:48 ◼ ► phones and tablets and possibly also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2808">TS</a>]
00:46:50 ◼ ► laptops especially the small ones and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2810">TS</a>]
00:46:53 ◼ ► say this same design philosophy should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2813">TS</a>]
00:46:55 ◼ ► apply to our professional modular [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2815">TS</a>]
00:46:57 ◼ ► computer because that's not what it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2817">TS</a>]
00:47:02 ◼ ► professionals don't care what the hell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2822">TS</a>]
00:47:04 ◼ ► the back of their desk under desk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2824">TS</a>]
00:47:09 ◼ ► supposed to fulfill a job and its job is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2829">TS</a>]
00:47:12 ◼ ► to be really fast and capable and being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2832">TS</a>]
00:47:16 ◼ ► really fast and capable means ejecting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2836">TS</a>]
00:47:18 ◼ ► heat and having a lot of room inside and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2838">TS</a>]
00:47:20 ◼ ► being reliable and stuff and if that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2840">TS</a>]
00:47:22 ◼ ► your goal like these are the most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2842">TS</a>]
00:47:25 ◼ ► important things it's got to be super [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2845">TS</a>]
00:47:27 ◼ ► reliable and just chunky and very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2847">TS</a>]
00:47:31 ◼ ► powerful and like the maximum amount of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2851">TS</a>]
00:47:33 ◼ ► power and flexibility you design a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2853">TS</a>]
00:47:35 ◼ ► different thing I started thinking of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2855">TS</a>]
00:47:37 ◼ ► things like power tools or off-road [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2857">TS</a>]
00:47:41 ◼ ► vehicles not like cars that you buy but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2861">TS</a>]
00:47:43 ◼ ► like actual like you know getting around [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2863">TS</a>]
00:47:45 ◼ ► on the farm or going through the jungle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2865">TS</a>]
00:47:47 ◼ ► or whatever those things they can be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2867">TS</a>]
00:47:49 ◼ ► elegant and have nice designs but they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2869">TS</a>]
00:47:51 ◼ ► have a job to do and their design is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2871">TS</a>]
00:47:53 ◼ ► entirely focused around that job no one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2873">TS</a>]
00:47:56 ◼ ► is trying to say can we get huge ground [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2876">TS</a>]
00:47:59 ◼ ► clearance and offer a vehicle but not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2879">TS</a>]
00:48:02 ◼ ► have like a big gap between the wheels [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2882">TS</a>]
00:48:05 ◼ ► and the wheel well I can cover that over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2885">TS</a>]
00:48:07 ◼ ► with something I could we could make it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2887">TS</a>]
00:48:10 ◼ ► so that like that we have like a skirt [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2890">TS</a>]
00:48:12 ◼ ► that when the wheels compressed the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2892">TS</a>]
00:48:13 ◼ ► skirt moves up so it looks more elegant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2893">TS</a>]
00:48:14 ◼ ► like what are you even doing are you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2894">TS</a>]
00:48:16 ◼ ► trying to make this car look like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2896">TS</a>]
00:48:18 ◼ ► low-slung you know Tesla like the whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2898">TS</a>]
00:48:22 ◼ ► point is supposed to go offer us like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2902">TS</a>]
00:48:23 ◼ ► yeah but it's so ugly when you can see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2903">TS</a>]
00:48:24 ◼ ► all the suspension bits and you can see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2904">TS</a>]
00:48:26 ◼ ► all this air under the car I don't that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2906">TS</a>]
00:48:28 ◼ ► skirt idea we can make the skirt work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2908">TS</a>]
00:48:29 ◼ ► it's like no don't try to make the skirt [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2909">TS</a>]
00:48:31 ◼ ► work like just put huge amounts of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2911">TS</a>]
00:48:34 ◼ ► travel and big exposed springs and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2914">TS</a>]
00:48:36 ◼ ► shocks and don't worry about the skirt [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2916">TS</a>]
00:48:38 ◼ ► don't worry about like the big gap [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2918">TS</a>]
00:48:40 ◼ ► that's that's what it's supposed to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2920">TS</a>]
00:48:42 ◼ ► just make the best off-road vehicle you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2922">TS</a>]
00:48:43 ◼ ► can make that's what I want them to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2923">TS</a>]
00:48:46 ◼ ► with the Mac Pro and the iMac it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2926">TS</a>]
00:48:48 ◼ ► it has to be just as slim as the regular [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2928">TS</a>]
00:48:51 ◼ ► iMac why why would you make it just as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2931">TS</a>]
00:48:54 ◼ ► maybe you can we're also smart with our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2934">TS</a>]
00:48:55 ◼ ► cooling worth like you already have the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2935">TS</a>]
00:48:57 ◼ ► iMac the iMac is oh I don't even know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2937">TS</a>]
00:48:59 ◼ ► where the computer is it's so skinny and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2939">TS</a>]
00:49:00 ◼ ► we got rid of the the optical drives [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2940">TS</a>]
00:49:02 ◼ ► whoo you make it beer a thinner in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2942">TS</a>]
00:49:03 ◼ ► edge it looks beautifully and that does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2943">TS</a>]
00:49:05 ◼ ► and I think an all-in-one computer that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2945">TS</a>]
00:49:07 ◼ ► beautiful screen is a product they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2947">TS</a>]
00:49:09 ◼ ► should make and they do it's a 5k iMac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2949">TS</a>]
00:49:10 ◼ ► it's great when they go to make the iPad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2950">TS</a>]
00:49:12 ◼ ► pro wise like design brief hasn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2952">TS</a>]
00:49:14 ◼ ► changed yeah it's supposed to be like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2954">TS</a>]
00:49:16 ◼ ► the fastest computer you could buy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2956">TS</a>]
00:49:17 ◼ ► especially remember as I pointed out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2957">TS</a>]
00:49:18 ◼ ► before they weren't gonna make the Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2958">TS</a>]
00:49:20 ◼ ► Pro the iMac pro was gonna be their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2960">TS</a>]
00:49:22 ◼ ► top-of-the-line and still they said it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2962">TS</a>]
00:49:24 ◼ ► got to fit in the same case and that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2964">TS</a>]
00:49:25 ◼ ► that's what's wrong like they have the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2965">TS</a>]
00:49:28 ◼ ► wrong goal even before they begin [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2968">TS</a>]
00:49:29 ◼ ► executing and I don't I don't know where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2969">TS</a>]
00:49:32 ◼ ► that comes from I don't know why that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2972">TS</a>]
00:49:34 ◼ ► philosophy is extended maybe it's they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2974">TS</a>]
00:49:35 ◼ ► just think all technology should be like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2975">TS</a>]
00:49:36 ◼ ► that but they didn't always think like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2976">TS</a>]
00:49:38 ◼ ► this and the cheese grater Mac Pro is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2978">TS</a>]
00:49:39 ◼ ► the the perfect proof Johnny I've made [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2979">TS</a>]
00:49:42 ◼ ► that computer and talked about it his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2982">TS</a>]
00:49:44 ◼ ► team made that thing and it is perhaps [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2984">TS</a>]
00:49:46 ◼ ► the most brutally utilitarian thing that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2986">TS</a>]
00:49:49 ◼ ► Apple has ever made it's a big silver [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2989">TS</a>]
00:49:51 ◼ ► heat exchanger with freaking handles on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2991">TS</a>]
00:49:53 ◼ ► it with a huge amount of space in it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2993">TS</a>]
00:49:56 ◼ ► come on I mean that that exact design [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2996">TS</a>]
00:49:57 ◼ ► but I want that philosophy executed well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/2997">TS</a>]
00:50:00 ◼ ► yeah and the thing is like that like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/3000">TS</a>]
00:50:03 ◼ ► that giant metal tower full of fans and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/3003">TS</a>]
00:50:07 ◼ ► everything and ports in the back and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/3007">TS</a>]
00:50:08 ◼ ► huge air holes in the front and back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/3008">TS</a>]
00:50:10 ◼ ► that thing is beautiful that is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/3010">TS</a>]
00:50:14 ◼ ► nicest PC tower ever I've ever seen bar [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/3014">TS</a>]
00:50:17 ◼ ► none it's not even close and for people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/3017">TS</a>]
00:50:20 ◼ ► who love computers and who need high-end [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/3020">TS</a>]
00:50:23 ◼ ► pro computers that is beautiful you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/3023">TS</a>]
00:50:26 ◼ ► don't have to make it ugly people who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/3026">TS</a>]
00:50:31 ◼ ► are people who hate computers it seems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/3031">TS</a>]
00:50:35 ◼ ► like the people who were responsible for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/3035">TS</a>]
00:50:37 ◼ ► designing computers at Apple hate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/3037">TS</a>]
00:50:39 ◼ ► computers and I don't say this lightly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/3039">TS</a>]
00:50:41 ◼ ► what I mean to say here is literally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/3041">TS</a>]
00:50:44 ◼ ► that it seems like the computers at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/3044">TS</a>]
00:50:46 ◼ ► Apple are designed with the goal of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/3046">TS</a>]
00:50:49 ◼ ► hiding and getting rid of as much of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/3049">TS</a>]
00:50:50 ◼ ► computer as possible and there is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/3050">TS</a>]
00:50:53 ◼ ► place for that again there's a place for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/3053">TS</a>]
00:50:54 ◼ ► that in like the ultra-thin unlight the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/3054">TS</a>]
00:50:57 ◼ ► MacBook you know 12-inch and everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/3057">TS</a>]
00:50:59 ◼ ► and even maybe the heirs although we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/3059">TS</a>]
00:51:01 ◼ ► going backwards in that direction as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/3061">TS</a>]
00:51:06 ◼ ► high-end you are selling to people who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/3066">TS</a>]
00:51:09 ◼ ► need computers and in many cases who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/3069">TS</a>]
00:51:12 ◼ ► love computers and those people don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/3072">TS</a>]
00:51:18 ◼ ► especially when it comes at the cost of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/3078">TS</a>]
00:51:21 ◼ ► practicality and functionality those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/3081">TS</a>]
00:51:23 ◼ ► people are happy to see the computer we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/3083">TS</a>]
00:51:27 ◼ ► are happy to have ports and air holes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/3087">TS</a>]
00:51:30 ◼ ► and a little bit more thickness in order [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/3090">TS</a>]
00:51:33 ◼ ► to get like a better keyboard or better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/3093">TS</a>]
00:51:35 ◼ ► battery life or something else like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/3095">TS</a>]
00:51:37 ◼ ► market isn't trying to get rid of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/3097">TS</a>]
00:51:40 ◼ ► computer they're buying a computer they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/3100">TS</a>]
00:51:43 ◼ ► like computers and the pros want to see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/3103">TS</a>]
00:51:47 ◼ ► like the pros want a pro piece of gear [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/3107">TS</a>]
00:51:49 ◼ ► the people who buy the giant off-road [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/3109">TS</a>]
00:51:52 ◼ ► vehicles are not looking at them and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/3112">TS</a>]
00:51:54 ◼ ► saying man this thing's so ugly it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/3114">TS</a>]
00:51:57 ◼ ► shame no one can make these things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/3117">TS</a>]
00:51:58 ◼ ► prettier no they love the way they look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/3118">TS</a>]
00:52:00 ◼ ► they buy them because of the way they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/3120">TS</a>]
00:52:02 ◼ ► look partially and their functionality [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/3122">TS</a>]
00:52:03 ◼ ► as well some people just for the looks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/3123">TS</a>]
00:52:05 ◼ ► but you know like so to make up to make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/3125">TS</a>]
00:52:07 ◼ ► a hunk and MacPro tower that's full of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/3127">TS</a>]
00:52:13 ◼ ► components they can make you know cooled [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/3133">TS</a>]
00:52:15 ◼ ► with giant slow fan so they can be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/3135">TS</a>]
00:52:17 ◼ ► really efficient and really quiet even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/3137">TS</a>]
00:52:19 ◼ ► under a load that is beautiful and that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/3139">TS</a>]
00:52:22 ◼ ► is good design for a high end pro [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/3142">TS</a>]
00:52:24 ◼ ► computer what they seem to be doing now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/3144">TS</a>]
00:52:26 ◼ ► instead is applying the wrong design [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/3146">TS</a>]
00:52:30 ◼ ► principles to it like you know what John [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/3150">TS</a>]
00:52:32 ◼ ► said like what these tools are here to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/3152">TS</a>]
00:52:34 ◼ ► do they're applying the same principles [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/3154">TS</a>]
00:52:37 ◼ ► as they're applying to the ultra thin 12 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/3157">TS</a>]
00:52:39 ◼ ► inch ultra portable that's not good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/3159">TS</a>]
00:52:41 ◼ ► design design is how it works a famous [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/3161">TS</a>]
00:52:45 ◼ ► guy said that once like design is taking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/3165">TS</a>]
00:52:49 ◼ ► the requirements that that people have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/3169">TS</a>]
00:52:51 ◼ ► who were going to use this thing and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/3171">TS</a>]
00:52:52 ◼ ► making something that works well with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/3172">TS</a>]
00:52:56 ◼ ► those requirements and also hopefully [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/3176">TS</a>]
00:52:58 ◼ ► looks decent in the process but its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/3178">TS</a>]
00:53:00 ◼ ► design is about those requirements and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/3180">TS</a>]
00:53:02 ◼ ► and how you literally you know design in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/3182">TS</a>]
00:53:04 ◼ ► the the work to accommodate those so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/3184">TS</a>]
00:53:07 ◼ ► what they're doing when they make like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/3187">TS</a>]
00:53:10 ◼ ► pro computer that has massive practical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/3190">TS</a>]
00:53:14 ◼ ► problems when used professionally or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/3194">TS</a>]
00:53:15 ◼ ► when used by anybody that's actually bad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/3195">TS</a>]
00:53:19 ◼ ► no matter how it looks and so they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/3199">TS</a>]
00:53:22 ◼ ► really need I think to shift this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/3202">TS</a>]
00:53:24 ◼ ► thinking and I hope they have with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/3204">TS</a>]
00:53:26 ◼ ► Mac Pro they really need to shift this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/3206">TS</a>]
00:53:28 ◼ ► thinking back into it is okay to make a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/3208">TS</a>]
00:53:32 ◼ ► computer that looks like a computer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/3212">TS</a>]
00:53:34 ◼ ► there is nothing wrong with having a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/3214">TS</a>]
00:53:38 ◼ ► high-end Pro desktop that's probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/3218">TS</a>]
00:53:41 ◼ ► gonna cost like eight thousand dollars [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/3221">TS</a>]
00:53:42 ◼ ► to have that be a little bit bulky and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/3222">TS</a>]
00:53:45 ◼ ► to have that you know go into your desk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/3225">TS</a>]
00:53:47 ◼ ► and to have that look like a square with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/3227">TS</a>]
00:53:50 ◼ ► ports in the back and fans in the back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/3230">TS</a>]
00:53:51 ◼ ► like that's fine that's actually what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/3231">TS</a>]
00:53:55 ◼ ► people want and to those people if that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/3235">TS</a>]
00:53:58 ◼ ► is designed well it will be beautiful no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/3238">TS</a>]
00:54:01 ◼ ► matter how it looks they could have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/3241">TS</a>]
00:54:04 ◼ ► design like a Star Trek spaceship like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/3244">TS</a>]
00:54:09 ◼ ► fulfilling his job and his job is to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/3249">TS</a>]
00:54:11 ◼ ► eject heed and hold lots of things and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/3251">TS</a>]
00:54:12 ◼ ► be super fast and it's just you end up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/3252">TS</a>]
00:54:14 ◼ ► with the different shape you end up with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/3254">TS</a>]
00:54:15 ◼ ► the different everything about it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/3255">TS</a>]
00:54:17 ◼ ► there's lots of options available lots [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/3257">TS</a>]
00:54:19 ◼ ► of things I'm imagining where it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/3259">TS</a>]
00:54:21 ◼ ► fuzzier I think and I was thinking about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/3261">TS</a>]
00:54:22 ◼ ► this when I was sitting looking at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/3262">TS</a>]
00:54:24 ◼ ► bunch of laptops around the table at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/3264">TS</a>]
00:54:26 ◼ ► work a lot of people work now have the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/3266">TS</a>]
00:54:28 ◼ ► same thing I have a 2017 MacBook Pro [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/3268">TS</a>]
00:54:30 ◼ ► with its four little USB see slash [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/3270">TS</a>]
00:54:33 ◼ ► Thunderbolt three ports all around the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/3273">TS</a>]
00:54:35 ◼ ► sides of it but then other people still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/3275">TS</a>]
00:54:37 ◼ ► have the 2015 ones like an earlier right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/3277">TS</a>]
00:54:40 ◼ ► and honestly when they're all sitting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/3280">TS</a>]
00:54:42 ◼ ► around the table like that other than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/3282">TS</a>]
00:54:43 ◼ ► the fact that the new ones are Space [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/3283">TS</a>]
00:54:44 ◼ ► Gray for the most part they don't look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/3284">TS</a>]
00:54:46 ◼ ► that different like the you can tell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/3286">TS</a>]
00:54:48 ◼ ► that the new ones are thinner and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/3288">TS</a>]
00:54:49 ◼ ► screens are a nicer right but the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/3289">TS</a>]
00:54:52 ◼ ► elements don't look that bad but I look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/3292">TS</a>]
00:54:54 ◼ ► at the sides of the other ones and like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/3294">TS</a>]
00:54:56 ◼ ► they don't look that much thicker but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/3296">TS</a>]
00:54:57 ◼ ► then I see SD card HDMI port MagSafe USB [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/3297">TS</a>]
00:55:03 ◼ ► a like and I and I think again we talked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/3303">TS</a>]
00:55:06 ◼ ► about this when they did the am a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/3306">TS</a>]
00:55:07 ◼ ► crowned table and I was like but they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/3307">TS</a>]
00:55:09 ◼ ► said didn't they say something about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/3309">TS</a>]
00:55:11 ◼ ► maybe they'll be reconsidering their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/3311">TS</a>]
00:55:14 ◼ ► choices with the MacBook Pros and coming [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/3314">TS</a>]
00:55:16 ◼ ► out with new ones that appeal to people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/3316">TS</a>]
00:55:18 ◼ ► more and I kept thinking like that maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/3318">TS</a>]
00:55:21 ◼ ► in the future they would reconsider [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/3321">TS</a>]
00:55:24 ◼ ► their decisions and like put an SD card [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/3324">TS</a>]
00:55:25 ◼ ► slot on it or like just make different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/3325">TS</a>]
00:55:27 ◼ ► decisions about ports and stuff like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/3327">TS</a>]
00:55:30 ◼ ► back pedal on the you know relentless [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/3330">TS</a>]
00:55:34 ◼ ► simplification on their biggest laptop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/3334">TS</a>]
00:55:39 ◼ ► keyboard that's not the same size as the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/3339">TS</a>]
00:55:41 ◼ ► small ones you know I'm not going crazy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/3341">TS</a>]
00:55:42 ◼ ► yeah but I'm just saying like the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/3342">TS</a>]
00:55:45 ◼ ► utility of like I think a lot of people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/3345">TS</a>]
00:55:47 ◼ ► are jealous at work of the people come [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/3347">TS</a>]
00:55:48 ◼ ► in with the old laptops and just plug [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/3348">TS</a>]
00:55:50 ◼ ► their thing right into the projector [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/3350">TS</a>]
00:55:51 ◼ ► with no dongles right or that you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/3351">TS</a>]
00:55:56 ◼ ► Matt you know MagSafe of ripping the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/3356">TS</a>]
00:55:59 ◼ ► thing in and out of they get up from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/3359">TS</a>]
00:56:00 ◼ ► their desks and then maybe they're also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/3360">TS</a>]
00:56:02 ◼ ► jealous of me with my single wire [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/3362">TS</a>]
00:56:04 ◼ ► connecting with all the other stuff so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/3364">TS</a>]
00:56:05 ◼ ► this advantages Thunderball as well but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/3365">TS</a>]
00:56:07 ◼ ► like I think of it this way if they came [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/3367">TS</a>]
00:56:10 ◼ ► out with the new MacBook Pro that had an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/3370">TS</a>]
00:56:13 ◼ ► SD card in HDMI on it a lot of people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/3373">TS</a>]
00:56:16 ◼ ► would love it and I'm trying to think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/3376">TS</a>]
00:56:21 ◼ ► who would hate it the people like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/3381">TS</a>]
00:56:23 ◼ ► don't want that additional complexity I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/3383">TS</a>]
00:56:24 ◼ ► never use HDMI would they hate it would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/3384">TS</a>]
00:56:26 ◼ ► they just be like oh whatever I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/3386">TS</a>]
00:56:28 ◼ ► care I don't use those ports like who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/3388">TS</a>]
00:56:31 ◼ ► would really hate it other than saying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/3391">TS</a>]
00:56:32 ◼ ► you've just mucked up my perfect clean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/3392">TS</a>]
00:56:34 ◼ ► symmetrical design but I don't think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/3394">TS</a>]
00:56:36 ◼ ► people who buy them care that much about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/3396">TS</a>]
00:56:38 ◼ ► it and the people who would love it boy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/3398">TS</a>]
00:56:40 ◼ ► would they love it so the in this new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/3400">TS</a>]
00:56:42 ◼ ► Mac Renaissance of where we all believe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/3402">TS</a>]
00:56:44 ◼ ► apples turn the corner on the Mac and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/3404">TS</a>]
00:56:46 ◼ ► it's paying more attention to it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/3406">TS</a>]
00:56:47 ◼ ► it's gonna make a Mac Pro and they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/3407">TS</a>]
00:56:48 ◼ ► making the iMac Pro and they're doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/3408">TS</a>]
00:56:50 ◼ ► all these things I'm waiting to see how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/3410">TS</a>]
00:56:52 ◼ ► far does the Mac Renaissance go we know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/3412">TS</a>]
00:56:54 ◼ ► it goes far enough that there are they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/3414">TS</a>]
00:56:56 ◼ ► revive the line of computer that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/3416">TS</a>]
00:56:57 ◼ ► weren't going to do so that's great I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/3417">TS</a>]
00:56:58 ◼ ► love it like and that gives me hope for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/3418">TS</a>]
00:57:00 ◼ ► everything else but the real test may be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/3420">TS</a>]
00:57:02 ◼ ► what happens to the 15-inch do they go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/3422">TS</a>]
00:57:07 ◼ ► more utilitarian in any way do any ports [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/3427">TS</a>]
00:57:12 ◼ ► come back duh is there any recognition [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/3432">TS</a>]
00:57:14 ◼ ► that some decisions made with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/3434">TS</a>]
00:57:18 ◼ ► current line of computers may not be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/3438">TS</a>]
00:57:19 ◼ ► exact even if it's the keyboard which is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/3439">TS</a>]
00:57:21 ◼ ► a topic of conversation this week which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/3441">TS</a>]
00:57:22 ◼ ► may or may not to get to in the show do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/3442">TS</a>]
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01:04:28 ◼ ► and I can sell the one I have for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/3868">TS</a>]
01:04:30 ◼ ► probably like $2,800 and so I walked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/3870">TS</a>]
01:04:34 ◼ ► about it for a while and I was worried [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/3874">TS</a>]
01:04:35 ◼ ► I'm like is it gonna feel really old am [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/3875">TS</a>]
01:04:38 ◼ ► I gonna regret like am I gonna regret [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/3878">TS</a>]
01:04:40 ◼ ► you know losing USBC am I going to you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/3880">TS</a>]
01:04:44 ◼ ► know regret that it's bigger and heavier [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/3884">TS</a>]
01:04:45 ◼ ► am I gonna is is just everything gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/3885">TS</a>]
01:04:48 ◼ ► feel and look old and I'm gonna feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/3888">TS</a>]
01:04:49 ◼ ► like I'm stepping back into the past my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/3889">TS</a>]
01:04:52 ◼ ► impression of this has quite surprised [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/3892">TS</a>]
01:04:53 ◼ ► me actually nothing about it feels [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/3893">TS</a>]
01:04:56 ◼ ► bigger or heavier it is but it's such a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/3896">TS</a>]
01:05:00 ◼ ► small difference that honestly when you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/3900">TS</a>]
01:05:02 ◼ ► go the other direction you don't really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/3902">TS</a>]
01:05:04 ◼ ► notice it like it's it's it's a half [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/3904">TS</a>]
01:05:07 ◼ ► pound heavier and it's you know a couple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/3907">TS</a>]
01:05:09 ◼ ► of millimeters wider in each dimension [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/3909">TS</a>]
01:05:11 ◼ ► or something like that like it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/3911">TS</a>]
01:05:12 ◼ ► it's not that much different like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/3912">TS</a>]
01:05:16 ◼ ► didn't like for all the crazy things we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/3916">TS</a>]
01:05:18 ◼ ► gave up to go to the super thin you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/3918">TS</a>]
01:05:21 ◼ ► USBC models it didn't actually get that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/3921">TS</a>]
01:05:24 ◼ ► much thinner or that much lighter so oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/3924">TS</a>]
01:05:27 ◼ ► and the battery life is better on 2015's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/3927">TS</a>]
01:05:28 ◼ ► by the way on this used 2015 model the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/3928">TS</a>]
01:05:31 ◼ ► battery life is better than my almost [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/3931">TS</a>]
01:05:32 ◼ ► new 2017 model and not by a small amount [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/3932">TS</a>]
01:05:35 ◼ ► either because surprise the battery is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/3935">TS</a>]
01:05:38 ◼ ► twenty thirty three percent bigger so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/3938">TS</a>]
01:05:41 ◼ ► it's that actually matters you know even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/3941">TS</a>]
01:05:44 ◼ ► with an older processor so anyway you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/3944">TS</a>]
01:05:47 ◼ ► don't notice the size difference when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/3947">TS</a>]
01:05:50 ◼ ► you go the other direction I did not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/3950">TS</a>]
01:05:52 ◼ ► notice the loss of the trackpad size I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/3952">TS</a>]
01:05:55 ◼ ► did not like I you just immediately [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/3955">TS</a>]
01:05:57 ◼ ► adjust in fact it's actually easier [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/3957">TS</a>]
01:06:00 ◼ ► because now there's no more accidental [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/3960">TS</a>]
01:06:01 ◼ ► trackpad input when you brush against it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/3961">TS</a>]
01:06:03 ◼ ► I did not notice the loss of the touch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/3963">TS</a>]
01:06:06 ◼ ► bar because I always hated it and never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/3966">TS</a>]
01:06:07 ◼ ► really got into using it I occasionally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/3967">TS</a>]
01:06:10 ◼ ► miss touch ID but not much I love having [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/3970">TS</a>]
01:06:14 ◼ ► the arrow keys back to the way they were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/3974">TS</a>]
01:06:16 ◼ ► because I can feel them because you need [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/3976">TS</a>]
01:06:19 ◼ ► arrow keys that have a different shape [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/3979">TS</a>]
01:06:20 ◼ ► than the rest of the keys because they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/3980">TS</a>]
01:06:22 ◼ ► are far away from the home row so when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/3982">TS</a>]
01:06:24 ◼ ► you reach over to them you you are not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/3984">TS</a>]
01:06:27 ◼ ► as precise as you would be with keys [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/3987">TS</a>]
01:06:29 ◼ ► near the home row because you're moving [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/3989">TS</a>]
01:06:31 ◼ ► your hand a little bit so you need there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/3991">TS</a>]
01:06:33 ◼ ► to be some kind of tactile feedback so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/3993">TS</a>]
01:06:36 ◼ ► you can feel where the right keys are in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/3996">TS</a>]
01:06:40 ◼ ► that's why the new generation arrow keys [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4000">TS</a>]
01:06:43 ◼ ► that have no metal gap in them and that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4003">TS</a>]
01:06:45 ◼ ► are all the same height are so easy to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4005">TS</a>]
01:06:47 ◼ ► hit the wrong one on because your hand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4007">TS</a>]
01:06:49 ◼ ► is moving over there and hat and has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4009">TS</a>]
01:06:52 ◼ ► nothing to anchor itself based on feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4012">TS</a>]
01:06:54 ◼ ► so the arrow keys in this are perfect [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4014">TS</a>]
01:06:56 ◼ ► they feel wonderful the rest of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4016">TS</a>]
01:06:58 ◼ ► keyboard is perfect and feels wonderful [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4018">TS</a>]
01:07:02 ◼ ► it felt mushy and then it felt great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4022">TS</a>]
01:07:03 ◼ ► that took no adjustment time the ports [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4023">TS</a>]
01:07:07 ◼ ► are luxurious I got to remove oh geez I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4027">TS</a>]
01:07:12 ◼ ► mean a whole bag full of stuff from my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4032">TS</a>]
01:07:14 ◼ ► travel bag like I got to remove so much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4034">TS</a>]
01:07:17 ◼ ► crap so many dongles my entire dongle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4037">TS</a>]
01:07:20 ◼ ► bag is now just in storage until I until [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4040">TS</a>]
01:07:23 ◼ ► I have to switch back to a USB sometime [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4043">TS</a>]
01:07:25 ◼ ► in the future so that's like my travel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4045">TS</a>]
01:07:27 ◼ ► bag is so simple it's just the laptop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4047">TS</a>]
01:07:30 ◼ ► and a power adapter and a couple of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4050">TS</a>]
01:07:32 ◼ ► USB cables that I was already bringing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4052">TS</a>]
01:07:34 ◼ ► before because nothing else in the world [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4054">TS</a>]
01:07:38 ◼ ► traveling with USB of lightning cables [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4058">TS</a>]
01:07:40 ◼ ► so I could plug them into hotel you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4060">TS</a>]
01:07:42 ◼ ► lamp tables and stuff so I'm just using [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4062">TS</a>]
01:07:48 ◼ ► computer and the power cable that's it I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4068">TS</a>]
01:07:51 ◼ ► don't need a SD card reader I don't need [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4071">TS</a>]
01:07:53 ◼ ► any dongles I don't need any hubs and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4073">TS</a>]
01:07:56 ◼ ► HDMI adapters and everything it just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4076">TS</a>]
01:07:58 ◼ ► works and it's all built in and it looks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4078">TS</a>]
01:08:02 ◼ ► great and it feels great and it feels [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4082">TS</a>]
01:08:04 ◼ ► like a computer that was designed for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4084">TS</a>]
01:08:07 ◼ ► use not a computer that I have to adapt [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4087">TS</a>]
01:08:12 ◼ ► myself to it you know this computer was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4092">TS</a>]
01:08:15 ◼ ► designed for me to use it and I am just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4095">TS</a>]
01:08:19 ◼ ► so much happier the only thing I miss [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4099">TS</a>]
01:08:22 ◼ ► about the new one I don't miss the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4102">TS</a>]
01:08:25 ◼ ► thinness I don't miss the lightness I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4105">TS</a>]
01:08:26 ◼ ► don't miss the Space Gray because by the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4106">TS</a>]
01:08:29 ◼ ► way the Space Gray you know that's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4109">TS</a>]
01:08:32 ◼ ► that'll that'll chip pretty easily if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4112">TS</a>]
01:08:33 ◼ ► you if you even Nick it a little bit the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4113">TS</a>]
01:08:36 ◼ ► only thing I missed surprisingly is I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4116">TS</a>]
01:08:40 ◼ ► actually kind of Miss having USB see for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4120">TS</a>]
01:08:43 ◼ ► power even though I don't miss the old [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4123">TS</a>]
01:08:45 ◼ ► the USB see brick that doesn't have the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4125">TS</a>]
01:08:46 ◼ ► little cable management wings it is nice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4126">TS</a>]
01:08:49 ◼ ► to be able to use other third-party [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4129">TS</a>]
01:08:52 ◼ ► chargers so really for example like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4132">TS</a>]
01:08:54 ◼ ► what thing that I that I have it would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4134">TS</a>]
01:08:57 ◼ ► be like it's nice to use that it would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4137">TS</a>]
01:08:59 ◼ ► be nice to be able to use USBC batteries [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4139">TS</a>]
01:09:02 ◼ ► if I knew if I needed to on the plane [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4142">TS</a>]
01:09:03 ◼ ► but ultimately that isn't that much of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4143">TS</a>]
01:09:05 ◼ ► problem because this thing has a ninety [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4145">TS</a>]
01:09:08 ◼ ► nine point five watt power battery in it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4148">TS</a>]
01:09:10 ◼ ► it's a pretty big battery the battery [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4150">TS</a>]
01:09:15 ◼ ► it probably won't ever won't need a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4155">TS</a>]
01:09:17 ◼ ► battery in practice it's just great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4157">TS</a>]
01:09:20 ◼ ► it doesn't feel noticeably slow it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4160">TS</a>]
01:09:22 ◼ ► doesn't like there's nothing there's no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4162">TS</a>]
01:09:23 ◼ ► other downsides to it and in fact when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4163">TS</a>]
01:09:26 ◼ ► you buy an old one off of ebay not only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4166">TS</a>]
01:09:28 ◼ ► do you save a ton of money all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4168">TS</a>]
01:09:30 ◼ ► accessories cost way less than they did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4170">TS</a>]
01:09:32 ◼ ► when they were new so like I long ago I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4172">TS</a>]
01:09:34 ◼ ► got rid of my Thunderbolt II ether nerds [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4174">TS</a>]
01:09:36 ◼ ► after because I thought I would never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4176">TS</a>]
01:09:37 ◼ ► use it again so I had to buy a new one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4177">TS</a>]
01:09:38 ◼ ► to use Ethernet here at home for this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4178">TS</a>]
01:09:41 ◼ ► computers and you know I think when it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4181">TS</a>]
01:09:44 ◼ ► was new it was like 30 or 40 or 50 bucks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4184">TS</a>]
01:09:46 ◼ ► I got one on eBay new for like ninety [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4186">TS</a>]
01:09:51 ◼ ► I have another another power adapter an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4191">TS</a>]
01:09:54 ◼ ► extra power after coming tomorrow also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4194">TS</a>]
01:09:57 ◼ ► knew that was thirty dollars like it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4197">TS</a>]
01:09:59 ◼ ► just it's just great like I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4199">TS</a>]
01:10:04 ◼ ► there's a reason they still sell this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4204">TS</a>]
01:10:05 ◼ ► because it's a fantastic computer that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4205">TS</a>]
01:10:08 ◼ ► I've had a lot of people are still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4208">TS</a>]
01:10:09 ◼ ► buying it's it's just great I'm so happy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4209">TS</a>]
01:10:12 ◼ ► with it and I hope that I can use it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4212">TS</a>]
01:10:15 ◼ ► until they make a computer that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4215">TS</a>]
01:10:17 ◼ ► actually that actually is better for me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4217">TS</a>]
01:10:18 ◼ ► I have thoughts so first of all this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4218">TS</a>]
01:10:26 ◼ ► the epitome of different strokes for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4226">TS</a>]
01:10:28 ◼ ► different folks right because I have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4228">TS</a>]
01:10:30 ◼ ► basically this machine as a work machine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4230">TS</a>]
01:10:33 ◼ ► and we are still buying or really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4233">TS</a>]
01:10:35 ◼ ► leasing this machine brand-new for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4235">TS</a>]
01:10:39 ◼ ► incoming employees and coming engineers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4239">TS</a>]
01:10:41 ◼ ► we do not have a touch bar Mac that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4241">TS</a>]
01:10:44 ◼ ► being issued by my company yet I forget [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4244">TS</a>]
01:10:48 ◼ ► the reasoning behind it but it basically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4248">TS</a>]
01:10:51 ◼ ► boils down to it provides little to no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4251">TS</a>]
01:10:53 ◼ ► benefits so why bother every time I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4253">TS</a>]
01:10:58 ◼ ► away from my desk and away from my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4258">TS</a>]
01:11:00 ◼ ► wireless magic keyboard and have to type [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4260">TS</a>]
01:11:03 ◼ ► on my work laptops keyboard I hate it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4263">TS</a>]
01:11:07 ◼ ► God do I hate it it's mushy it's sloppy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4267">TS</a>]
01:11:11 ◼ ► and it just feels friggin gross and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4271">TS</a>]
01:11:15 ◼ ► funny to me because you have the exact [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4275">TS</a>]
01:11:17 ◼ ► same opinion but the other direction in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4277">TS</a>]
01:11:21 ◼ ► that we are like polar opposites on this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4281">TS</a>]
01:11:23 ◼ ► and you know what that's that's fine you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4283">TS</a>]
01:11:25 ◼ ► know everyone has an opinion that's okay [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4285">TS</a>]
01:11:26 ◼ ► what works for you is great what works [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4286">TS</a>]
01:11:28 ◼ ► for me is great and that's fine but it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4288">TS</a>]
01:11:32 ◼ ► funny to me that you prefer this so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4292">TS</a>]
01:11:35 ◼ ► heavily particularly the keyboard like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4295">TS</a>]
01:11:36 ◼ ► the rest of it yeah that makes sense but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4296">TS</a>]
01:11:38 ◼ ► particularly the keyboard I'm surprised [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4298">TS</a>]
01:11:39 ◼ ► you prefer it that much my question for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4299">TS</a>]
01:11:42 ◼ ► you though is what's your long game on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4302">TS</a>]
01:11:45 ◼ ► this like you're just gonna pull a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4305">TS</a>]
01:11:46 ◼ ► siracusa and run this until you can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4306">TS</a>]
01:11:48 ◼ ► get whatever ridiculous California code [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4308">TS</a>]
01:11:50 ◼ ► name is like three or four versions now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4310">TS</a>]
01:11:52 ◼ ► like what what is the long game because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4312">TS</a>]
01:11:55 ◼ ► eventually I I reckon you're either so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4315">TS</a>]
01:11:57 ◼ ► there's only a couple of ways to go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4317">TS</a>]
01:11:59 ◼ ► right you use this until you can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4319">TS</a>]
01:12:01 ◼ ► and then you're gonna have to figure out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4321">TS</a>]
01:12:03 ◼ ► a new plan you wait for Apple to have an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4323">TS</a>]
01:12:09 ◼ ► certainly possible but not exactly their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4329">TS</a>]
01:12:13 ◼ ► style now I would say unlikely yeah and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4333">TS</a>]
01:12:16 ◼ ► unlikely and I feel like I had a third [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4336">TS</a>]
01:12:18 ◼ ► but I lost it but do you see what I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4338">TS</a>]
01:12:19 ◼ ► saying like you just go to I guess you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4339">TS</a>]
01:12:21 ◼ ► buy a Lenovo like you know what is what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4341">TS</a>]
01:12:24 ◼ ► is the long play for you then I mean I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4344">TS</a>]
01:12:26 ◼ ► could hackintosh it with someone else's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4346">TS</a>]
01:12:28 ◼ ► laptop but no I mean it the long-term [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4348">TS</a>]
01:12:29 ◼ ► play here is I hope this lasts me long [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4349">TS</a>]
01:12:32 ◼ ► enough that I either stop caring about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4352">TS</a>]
01:12:34 ◼ ► having a good laptop stop needing a good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4354">TS</a>]
01:12:37 ◼ ► laptop or Apple starts making better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4357">TS</a>]
01:12:39 ◼ ► ones and as simple as that I mean I hope [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4359">TS</a>]
01:12:42 ◼ ► it lasts that long if not I'm gonna have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4362">TS</a>]
01:12:45 ◼ ► to figure something else out it could be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4365">TS</a>]
01:12:47 ◼ ► next summer they might release a new one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4367">TS</a>]
01:12:49 ◼ ► that I like and that I switched to that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4369">TS</a>]
01:12:50 ◼ ► I have no idea but honestly I don't I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4370">TS</a>]
01:12:53 ◼ ► think that would be too soon I believe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4373">TS</a>]
01:12:55 ◼ ► that would seem very unlikely to me my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4375">TS</a>]
01:12:57 ◼ ► long-term plan here is like when the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4377">TS</a>]
01:13:00 ◼ ► when the scroll Direction changed in Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4380">TS</a>]
01:13:04 ◼ ► OS whenever that which ramen was that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4384">TS</a>]
01:13:06 ◼ ► like lion or something it was a it was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4386">TS</a>]
01:13:08 ◼ ► while ago now yeah maybe even earlier [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4388">TS</a>]
01:13:10 ◼ ► than that yeah so when the scroll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4390">TS</a>]
01:13:13 ◼ ► Direction changed I I thought you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4393">TS</a>]
01:13:15 ◼ ► they have an option to keep it the other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4395">TS</a>]
01:13:18 ◼ ► direction but we know how Apple is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4398">TS</a>]
01:13:21 ◼ ► only there's only gonna be a limited [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4401">TS</a>]
01:13:22 ◼ ► time that that options gonna be there so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4402">TS</a>]
01:13:25 ◼ ► I might as well get used to the new one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4405">TS</a>]
01:13:26 ◼ ► now and switch so I switched immediately [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4406">TS</a>]
01:13:29 ◼ ► hated it gave it like a few days still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4409">TS</a>]
01:13:33 ◼ ► hated it and I switch back you know I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4413">TS</a>]
01:13:35 ◼ ► thought you know what there might come a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4415">TS</a>]
01:13:37 ◼ ► time where I don't have this choice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4417">TS</a>]
01:13:38 ◼ ► anymore but that time hasn't come yet so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4418">TS</a>]
01:13:41 ◼ ► let me just enjoy the way I like it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4421">TS</a>]
01:13:43 ◼ ► while I still have the choice and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4423">TS</a>]
01:13:45 ◼ ► when the time comes the forces for you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4425">TS</a>]
01:13:47 ◼ ► to make to make a choice don't want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4427">TS</a>]
01:13:48 ◼ ► make I'll deal with it then so that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4428">TS</a>]
01:13:51 ◼ ► kind of my philosophy with this like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4431">TS</a>]
01:13:52 ◼ ► this is not a sustainable plan to just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4432">TS</a>]
01:13:55 ◼ ► keep using the 2015 MacBook Pro forever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4435">TS</a>]
01:13:57 ◼ ► like obviously it's not a sustainable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4437">TS</a>]
01:13:58 ◼ ► plan but I don't need to give it up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4438">TS</a>]
01:14:01 ◼ ► right now I am way happier with this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4441">TS</a>]
01:14:03 ◼ ► laptop right now than I am with the 2017 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4443">TS</a>]
01:14:06 ◼ ► model and so I can use this for probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4446">TS</a>]
01:14:09 ◼ ► a while I'm probably going to want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4449">TS</a>]
01:14:12 ◼ ► move to something else before I'm forced [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4452">TS</a>]
01:14:14 ◼ ► to move to something else and I dread [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4454">TS</a>]
01:14:16 ◼ ► and so I might as well enjoy this while [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4456">TS</a>]
01:14:18 ◼ ► I can while it is still great while it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4458">TS</a>]
01:14:20 ◼ ► is still competitive and useful and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4460">TS</a>]
01:14:22 ◼ ► works great when the time comes for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4462">TS</a>]
01:14:25 ◼ ► whatever reason that stops being the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4465">TS</a>]
01:14:27 ◼ ► case then I'll figure it out that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4467">TS</a>]
01:14:30 ◼ ► real-time follow-up it was lying by the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4470">TS</a>]
01:14:33 ◼ ► way where they had the feature and all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4473">TS</a>]
01:14:34 ◼ ► right I'm and I am still I still have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4474">TS</a>]
01:14:37 ◼ ► that in a non default setting as well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4477">TS</a>]
01:14:39 ◼ ► because wait the two of you are saying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4479">TS</a>]
01:14:42 ◼ ► that you are not on natural scrolling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4482">TS</a>]
01:14:45 ◼ ► you're on the the scrolling from the 80s [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4485">TS</a>]
01:14:47 ◼ ► cool yeah yes oh my word you're so old [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4487">TS</a>]
01:14:50 ◼ ► the two of you I mean you you're so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4490">TS</a>]
01:14:54 ◼ ► there's no reason to change it like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4494">TS</a>]
01:14:56 ◼ ► mean I'm I'm I didn't even try to get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4496">TS</a>]
01:14:59 ◼ ► used to the new way because they they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4499">TS</a>]
01:15:01 ◼ ► gave you an option from day one to not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4501">TS</a>]
01:15:04 ◼ ► do that I'm like oh well it's not like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4504">TS</a>]
01:15:05 ◼ ► just don't even appeal aside it's a GUI [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4505">TS</a>]
01:15:06 ◼ ► option unchecked never think about it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4506">TS</a>]
01:15:08 ◼ ► again and they've sustained that like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4508">TS</a>]
01:15:11 ◼ ► it's it's still there still you can do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4511">TS</a>]
01:15:13 ◼ ► the opposite way and so that's the way I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4513">TS</a>]
01:15:16 ◼ ► I also remap command end to new folder [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4516">TS</a>]
01:15:18 ◼ ► because I've been doing it since I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4518">TS</a>]
01:15:20 ◼ ► 10 years old and there's a paper in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4520">TS</a>]
01:15:22 ◼ ► operating system that lets you assign [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4522">TS</a>]
01:15:23 ◼ ► keyboard shortcuts to any menu in any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4523">TS</a>]
01:15:25 ◼ ► application and it's a supportive thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4525">TS</a>]
01:15:27 ◼ ► so of course I do it like I don't I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4527">TS</a>]
01:15:29 ◼ ► don't see why I wouldn't like that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4529">TS</a>]
01:15:30 ◼ ► part of a computer being a computer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4530">TS</a>]
01:15:31 ◼ ► right that's what separates us from the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4531">TS</a>]
01:15:34 ◼ ► the multipad mongrels right guess what I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4534">TS</a>]
01:15:42 ◼ ► can reassign in it not by hacking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4542">TS</a>]
01:15:45 ◼ ► operating systems workflow system System [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4545">TS</a>]
01:15:48 ◼ ► Preferences you just go there and type [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4548">TS</a>]
01:15:49 ◼ ► like it's a real thing anyway yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4549">TS</a>]
01:15:52 ◼ ► and I kind of feel the same way about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4552">TS</a>]
01:15:54 ◼ ► scroll direction like if forced I'm you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4554">TS</a>]
01:15:57 ◼ ► know they take it away and there's no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4557">TS</a>]
01:15:58 ◼ ► plist hack or whatever I probably won't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4558">TS</a>]
01:16:00 ◼ ► go to heroic links to get it back but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4560">TS</a>]
01:16:02 ◼ ► might grumble but you might grumble yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4562">TS</a>]
01:16:08 ◼ ► sustainable because like anna i still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4568">TS</a>]
01:16:13 ◼ ► keep thinking perhaps wrongly that we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4573">TS</a>]
01:16:18 ◼ ► renaissance and that it's going to take [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4578">TS</a>]
01:16:21 ◼ ► a while because computers take a long [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4581">TS</a>]
01:16:23 ◼ ► time like the pipeline is long but that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4583">TS</a>]
01:16:25 ◼ ► Apple is indeed reconsidering some of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4585">TS</a>]
01:16:28 ◼ ► its broad decisions about how it makes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4588">TS</a>]
01:16:30 ◼ ► Macs and so the new keyboard that has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4590">TS</a>]
01:16:33 ◼ ► more travel and is more reliable and is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4593">TS</a>]
01:16:37 ◼ ► more pleasing to people who don't like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4597">TS</a>]
01:16:38 ◼ ► the new one and is only on the 15-inch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4598">TS</a>]
01:16:41 ◼ ► model or whatever that's not coming like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4601">TS</a>]
01:16:43 ◼ ► anytime soon but if they start on it now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4603">TS</a>]
01:16:47 ◼ ► in three years it will be here and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4607">TS</a>]
01:16:49 ◼ ► that's you know like them reconsidering [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4609">TS</a>]
01:16:53 ◼ ► how they build their computers and what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4613">TS</a>]
01:16:55 ◼ ► people want out of them like satisfying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4615">TS</a>]
01:16:58 ◼ ► Mac users again that Mac Roundtable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4618">TS</a>]
01:16:59 ◼ ► everything they said that Mac roundtable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4619">TS</a>]
01:17:01 ◼ ► was essentially we hear you we've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4621">TS</a>]
01:17:04 ◼ ► realized we've been doing things in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4624">TS</a>]
01:17:06 ◼ ► wrong way and we're going to change [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4626">TS</a>]
01:17:08 ◼ ► course and try to do them in the right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4628">TS</a>]
01:17:12 ◼ ► starting with hey the Mac Pro we were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4632">TS</a>]
01:17:14 ◼ ► gonna get rid of it we didn't think it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4634">TS</a>]
01:17:15 ◼ ► was necessary but actually it is how far [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4635">TS</a>]
01:17:18 ◼ ► that goes I don't know but if you're a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4638">TS</a>]
01:17:21 ◼ ► little patience I like I think you have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4641">TS</a>]
01:17:24 ◼ ► to give it time this takes you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4644">TS</a>]
01:17:25 ◼ ► there's a long pipe but you know the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4645">TS</a>]
01:17:27 ◼ ► pipeline takes a while to to flush all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4647">TS</a>]
01:17:30 ◼ ► this bad stuff out of the system before [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4650">TS</a>]
01:17:31 ◼ ► you see the new ones and it's just a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4651">TS</a>]
01:17:33 ◼ ► question of how far they'll go the Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4653">TS</a>]
01:17:34 ◼ ► Pro is gonna be a great test if the Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4654">TS</a>]
01:17:36 ◼ ► Pro comes out and it's another cylinder [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4656">TS</a>]
01:17:38 ◼ ► type exercise that does not bode well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4658">TS</a>]
01:17:41 ◼ ► for Marco's eBay computer because he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4661">TS</a>]
01:17:44 ◼ ► gonna be hanging about for a while while [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4664">TS</a>]
01:17:47 ◼ ► Oh like one approach they could take is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4667">TS</a>]
01:17:50 ◼ ► we know a lot of people love the new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4670">TS</a>]
01:17:52 ◼ ► keyboard I kind of like it too by the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4672">TS</a>]
01:17:54 ◼ ► way like I'd almost never use it so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4674">TS</a>]
01:17:56 ◼ ► think my laptop at work is actually a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4676">TS</a>]
01:17:58 ◼ ► great test case because of my laptop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4678">TS</a>]
01:18:00 ◼ ► keyboard of work dies that's a bad sign [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4680">TS</a>]
01:18:02 ◼ ► because I type on it so little like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4682">TS</a>]
01:18:05 ◼ ► type on my other keyboard all the time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4685">TS</a>]
01:18:06 ◼ ► it's not but it could be that a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4686">TS</a>]
01:18:10 ◼ ► people like that and one way they could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4690">TS</a>]
01:18:11 ◼ ► go is we'll just make that reliable find [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4691">TS</a>]
01:18:13 ◼ ► a way to make that keyboard that feels [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4693">TS</a>]
01:18:15 ◼ ► like that the case he really likes and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4695">TS</a>]
01:18:16 ◼ ► that a lot of the people really like and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4696">TS</a>]
01:18:18 ◼ ► that I kind of like - other than the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4698">TS</a>]
01:18:20 ◼ ► arrow keys and all the other laptop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4700">TS</a>]
01:18:21 ◼ ► keyboard crap that I hate just because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4701">TS</a>]
01:18:22 ◼ ► of key layout just make that reliable if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4702">TS</a>]
01:18:26 ◼ ► that's what they do in three years again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4706">TS</a>]
01:18:28 ◼ ► bad sign for Marco so we have many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4708">TS</a>]
01:18:31 ◼ ► things to be watching but I'm I'm you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4711">TS</a>]
01:18:33 ◼ ► know I'm still entertaining fantasies [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4713">TS</a>]
01:18:35 ◼ ► that they are really turning the ship [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4715">TS</a>]
01:18:36 ◼ ► here and they're gonna let the Mac be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4716">TS</a>]
01:18:39 ◼ ► the Mac in hardware and in software and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4719">TS</a>]
01:18:42 ◼ ► make all of us old-school Mac users [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4722">TS</a>]
01:18:46 ◼ ► happy because honestly it's like who are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4726">TS</a>]
01:18:48 ◼ ► you trying to make happy with the Mac's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4728">TS</a>]
01:18:50 ◼ ► who is who's super happy with these new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4730">TS</a>]
01:18:52 ◼ ► computers make people might like them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4732">TS</a>]
01:18:53 ◼ ► and I know a lot of people do like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4733">TS</a>]
01:18:55 ◼ ► new keyboard but I don't think anybody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4735">TS</a>]
01:18:57 ◼ ► is head over heels for the new laptops [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4737">TS</a>]
01:18:59 ◼ ► and nobody was really head over heels [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4739">TS</a>]
01:19:01 ◼ ► for the new Mac Pro either so there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4741">TS</a>]
01:19:04 ◼ ► some work to be done there and hapless [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4744">TS</a>]
01:19:05 ◼ ► as they're gonna do it and I feel like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4745">TS</a>]
01:19:07 ◼ ► want to give him a chance to bowl me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4747">TS</a>]
01:19:09 ◼ ► over before really was topic we should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4749">TS</a>]
01:19:11 ◼ ► also mention the amazing article by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4751">TS</a>]
01:19:14 ◼ ► Casey Johnson at the outline about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4754">TS</a>]
01:19:16 ◼ ► keyboards that came out yesterday that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4756">TS</a>]
01:19:19 ◼ ► like you know the basically going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4759">TS</a>]
01:19:21 ◼ ► through her process of like having to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4761">TS</a>]
01:19:23 ◼ ► get keys repaired multiple times the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4763">TS</a>]
01:19:25 ◼ ► Genius Bar the crazy things they tell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4765">TS</a>]
01:19:27 ◼ ► her the you know the the the like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4767">TS</a>]
01:19:30 ◼ ► feigned surprise oh it must be a speck [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4770">TS</a>]
01:19:32 ◼ ► of dust it's like come on this is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4772">TS</a>]
01:19:35 ◼ ► white spring like they should know about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4775">TS</a>]
01:19:37 ◼ ► this by now it's a gray Oracle that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4777">TS</a>]
01:19:40 ◼ ► think everybody should read it spawned a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4780">TS</a>]
01:19:42 ◼ ► lot of discussion around the other blogs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4782">TS</a>]
01:19:44 ◼ ► as well pretty much everyone linked to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4784">TS</a>]
01:19:46 ◼ ► it and said yeah me too you know and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4786">TS</a>]
01:19:49 ◼ ► know so it's it's pretty great and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4789">TS</a>]
01:19:53 ◼ ► know just to add to this there are a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4793">TS</a>]
01:19:55 ◼ ► of people when when stuff like this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4795">TS</a>]
01:19:58 ◼ ► comes out like when when we complain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4798">TS</a>]
01:20:01 ◼ ► or when other people complain about it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4801">TS</a>]
01:20:03 ◼ ► or even people report problems with it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4803">TS</a>]
01:20:04 ◼ ► there's a lot of people who are like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4804">TS</a>]
01:20:06 ◼ ► well I love it it's my favorite keyboard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4806">TS</a>]
01:20:07 ◼ ► ever and the old ones all feel like crap [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4807">TS</a>]
01:20:09 ◼ ► to me now I'm not that different from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4809">TS</a>]
01:20:11 ◼ ► cases opinion of it and I want to just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4811">TS</a>]
01:20:13 ◼ ► state two separate things here you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4813">TS</a>]
01:20:18 ◼ ► you can love the way the new keyboard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4818">TS</a>]
01:20:19 ◼ ► feels that is a separate thing from is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4819">TS</a>]
01:20:23 ◼ ► it reliable or not like if the new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4823">TS</a>]
01:20:26 ◼ ► keyboard has as many problems as it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4826">TS</a>]
01:20:28 ◼ ► appears to have anecdotally from almost [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4828">TS</a>]
01:20:31 ◼ ► everyone I know who has one and almost [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4831">TS</a>]
01:20:33 ◼ ► everyone who I've asked on Twitter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4833">TS</a>]
01:20:35 ◼ ► problems are widespread with keys [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4835">TS</a>]
01:20:38 ◼ ► getting stuck or breaking widespread it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4838">TS</a>]
01:20:41 ◼ ► certainly seems like this is a pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4841">TS</a>]
01:20:43 ◼ ► big problem and it's also important to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4843">TS</a>]
01:20:46 ◼ ► point out these laptops aren't very old [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4846">TS</a>]
01:20:48 ◼ ► and they're having these problems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4848">TS</a>]
01:20:49 ◼ ► already you know in many cases they have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4849">TS</a>]
01:20:51 ◼ ► these problems within a few months of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4851">TS</a>]
01:20:52 ◼ ► ownership so it's you know there there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4852">TS</a>]
01:20:55 ◼ ► are problems with this keyboard you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4855">TS</a>]
01:20:57 ◼ ► like it you can like the way it feels [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4857">TS</a>]
01:20:59 ◼ ► but if it has problems with reliability [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4859">TS</a>]
01:21:02 ◼ ► it's a bad keyboard regardless of what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4862">TS</a>]
01:21:05 ◼ ► you think of yours personally my second [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4865">TS</a>]
01:21:08 ◼ ► thing to point out is that these aren't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4868">TS</a>]
01:21:11 ◼ ► the only two choices we have you have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4871">TS</a>]
01:21:14 ◼ ► the 2015 and B an earlier keyboard and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4874">TS</a>]
01:21:16 ◼ ► you have the you know MacBook hard as a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4876">TS</a>]
01:21:19 ◼ ► rock keyboard that breaks constantly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4879">TS</a>]
01:21:21 ◼ ► there are other options for keyboards [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4881">TS</a>]
01:21:23 ◼ ► that I'll book an use and in fact they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4883">TS</a>]
01:21:26 ◼ ► already have one and Cayce already loves [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4886">TS</a>]
01:21:29 ◼ ► it it's called the magic keyboard - the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4889">TS</a>]
01:21:32 ◼ ► magic keyboard - is very very thin [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4892">TS</a>]
01:21:36 ◼ ► it has Johnny's dumb layout where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4896">TS</a>]
01:21:39 ◼ ► there's no space between any of the keys [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4899">TS</a>]
01:21:40 ◼ ► and the arrow keys are all the same that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4900">TS</a>]
01:21:41 ◼ ► are all square and have no gap so you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4901">TS</a>]
01:21:43 ◼ ► can't feel the where they are so it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4903">TS</a>]
01:21:46 ◼ ► satisfies apple's needs to be thin and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4906">TS</a>]
01:21:48 ◼ ► be symmetric at the cost of feeling good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4908">TS</a>]
01:21:50 ◼ ► it has pretty shallow travel feels very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4910">TS</a>]
01:21:53 ◼ ► precise has a much more precise click [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4913">TS</a>]
01:21:56 ◼ ► and less wobbly nests in the old 2015 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4916">TS</a>]
01:21:59 ◼ ► laptop keyboards best thing is that uses [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4919">TS</a>]
01:22:03 ◼ ► scissor switches the old reliable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4923">TS</a>]
01:22:05 ◼ ► scissor switches that didn't die when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4925">TS</a>]
01:22:07 ◼ ► one speck of dust got in one key Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4927">TS</a>]
01:22:10 ◼ ► already has the solution to this problem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4930">TS</a>]
01:22:12 ◼ ► they can have a modern clicky or feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4932">TS</a>]
01:22:15 ◼ ► Travel they can have the stupid layout [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4935">TS</a>]
01:22:19 ◼ ► that they want of the keys with no space [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4939">TS</a>]
01:22:20 ◼ ► and bad arrow key is and it can be super [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4940">TS</a>]
01:22:23 ◼ ► thin but it can also have reliable key [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4943">TS</a>]
01:22:26 ◼ ► switches that also do provide a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4946">TS</a>]
01:22:28 ◼ ► more travel than the MacBook keyboard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4948">TS</a>]
01:22:30 ◼ ► and a little less travel than 2015 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4950">TS</a>]
01:22:32 ◼ ► keyboard so it's kind of this nice hat [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4952">TS</a>]
01:22:34 ◼ ► that's nice happy medium there and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4954">TS</a>]
01:22:36 ◼ ► should be way more reliable so all they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4956">TS</a>]
01:22:40 ◼ ► have to do is take that keyboard that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4960">TS</a>]
01:22:42 ◼ ► they already make and find a way to put [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4962">TS</a>]
01:22:44 ◼ ► that into laptops and if you go to a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4964">TS</a>]
01:22:46 ◼ ► store and you look at a magic keyboard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4966">TS</a>]
01:22:48 ◼ ► they're pretty damn thin I have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4968">TS</a>]
01:22:51 ◼ ► feeling they Apple can figure out how to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4971">TS</a>]
01:22:53 ◼ ► do that so being the optimist again I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4973">TS</a>]
01:22:57 ◼ ► think that you know again it takes a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4977">TS</a>]
01:23:00 ◼ ► while for these decisions to make it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4980">TS</a>]
01:23:01 ◼ ► from like we've decided to do a thing to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4981">TS</a>]
01:23:03 ◼ ► do manifesting a product so it still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4983">TS</a>]
01:23:05 ◼ ► could be years but their recent changes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4985">TS</a>]
01:23:11 ◼ ► give me some optimism here one of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4991">TS</a>]
01:23:13 ◼ ► best examples is both the iPhone 7 and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4993">TS</a>]
01:23:16 ◼ ► the iPhone 10 and I guess the eights as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4996">TS</a>]
01:23:18 ◼ ► well like the iPhone 7 prioritising [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/4998">TS</a>]
01:23:22 ◼ ► battery life and going with the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5002">TS</a>]
01:23:23 ◼ ► form factor for the third year in a row [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5003">TS</a>]
01:23:25 ◼ ► and getting so much better battery life [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5005">TS</a>]
01:23:27 ◼ ► than the 6 and also the 10 the 10 not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5007">TS</a>]
01:23:31 ◼ ► being you know even thinner than the 7 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5011">TS</a>]
01:23:35 ◼ ► like it's saying we're going to you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5015">TS</a>]
01:23:37 ◼ ► either make it thicker or keep it the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5017">TS</a>]
01:23:39 ◼ ► same thickness and we're gonna spend [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5019">TS</a>]
01:23:41 ◼ ► that on battery the two extra hours of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5021">TS</a>]
01:23:45 ◼ ► philosophy from every single year we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5025">TS</a>]
01:23:47 ◼ ► going to keep making it thinner and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5027">TS</a>]
01:23:48 ◼ ► thinner and just try to maintain past [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5028">TS</a>]
01:23:51 ◼ ► two iterations have been we're not going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5031">TS</a>]
01:23:54 ◼ ► to try to make it thinner at all costs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5034">TS</a>]
01:23:56 ◼ ► and just maintain we want to increase [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5036">TS</a>]
01:23:59 ◼ ► battery life 7 was better than the 6 and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5039">TS</a>]
01:24:01 ◼ ► this 10 is way better than the 7 two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5041">TS</a>]
01:24:03 ◼ ► hours they advertise and that's what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5043">TS</a>]
01:24:05 ◼ ► exactly what we've asked them until [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5045">TS</a>]
01:24:06 ◼ ► you're making the wrong choices you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5046">TS</a>]
01:24:08 ◼ ► go in the other direction and it took [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5048">TS</a>]
01:24:11 ◼ ► many many years for that to happen but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5051">TS</a>]
01:24:12 ◼ ► they did it so I am optimistic that even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5052">TS</a>]
01:24:17 ◼ ► if it's not the exact magic keyboard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5057">TS</a>]
01:24:18 ◼ ► that three years from now the new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5058">TS</a>]
01:24:21 ◼ ► professional laptop will have a keyboard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5061">TS</a>]
01:24:24 ◼ ► that is reliable and maybe that also has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5064">TS</a>]
01:24:29 ◼ ► maybe not because I and I don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5069">TS</a>]
01:24:31 ◼ ► what the percentages are for people who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5071">TS</a>]
01:24:32 ◼ ► like the new one and people who don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5072">TS</a>]
01:24:34 ◼ ► and like I said I kind of like it but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5074">TS</a>]
01:24:37 ◼ ► certainly the reliability whatever they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5077">TS</a>]
01:24:39 ◼ ► have to do that and by the way on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5079">TS</a>]
01:24:39 ◼ ► reliability front someone who's been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5079">TS</a>]
01:24:41 ◼ ► using scissors switch keys for a long [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5081">TS</a>]
01:24:43 ◼ ► time and who's had them on laptops for a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5083">TS</a>]
01:24:44 ◼ ► long time they are way more reliable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5084">TS</a>]
01:24:47 ◼ ► obviously than they than the butterfly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5087">TS</a>]
01:24:49 ◼ ► ones that proven to be but they're also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5089">TS</a>]
01:24:51 ◼ ► less reliable than their predecessors I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5091">TS</a>]
01:24:53 ◼ ► have broken keyboards with these scissor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5093">TS</a>]
01:24:56 ◼ ► switches multiple times I've worn [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5096">TS</a>]
01:24:58 ◼ ► through at least one possibly two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5098">TS</a>]
01:25:01 ◼ ► because one of my keys is sometimes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5101">TS</a>]
01:25:03 ◼ ► aluminum Apple extended the keyboards I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5103">TS</a>]
01:25:06 ◼ ► have broken keys on PowerBook g4 era [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5106">TS</a>]
01:25:10 ◼ ► computers which also has switches under [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5110">TS</a>]
01:25:13 ◼ ► their very different-looking key caps [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5113">TS</a>]
01:25:14 ◼ ► right I have never broken a key a key [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5114">TS</a>]
01:25:18 ◼ ► switch on an Apple extended to which I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5118">TS</a>]
01:25:20 ◼ ► use for years and years in the years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5120">TS</a>]
01:25:22 ◼ ► since like 1989 or whatever in the ac30 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5122">TS</a>]
01:25:25 ◼ ► came out I have never broken a key [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5125">TS</a>]
01:25:27 ◼ ► switch on any keys before that so if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5127">TS</a>]
01:25:28 ◼ ► want to compare reliability for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5128">TS</a>]
01:25:30 ◼ ► little plastic scissor switch things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5130">TS</a>]
01:25:32 ◼ ► compared to the quote-unquote mechanical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5132">TS</a>]
01:25:35 ◼ ► keys and other keyboards on the term [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5135">TS</a>]
01:25:37 ◼ ► that drives me nuts as if it is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5137">TS</a>]
01:25:42 ◼ ► downgrade and reliability for size it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5142">TS</a>]
01:25:44 ◼ ► just a question of is it an acceptable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5144">TS</a>]
01:25:46 ◼ ► downgrade me using an Apple extended [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5146">TS</a>]
01:25:48 ◼ ► Apple aluminum extended keyboard for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5148">TS</a>]
01:25:51 ◼ ► seven years and then I break a key Mike [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5151">TS</a>]
01:25:53 ◼ ► alright I've been pounding on this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5153">TS</a>]
01:25:55 ◼ ► keyboard 8 hours a day at work for seven [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5155">TS</a>]
01:25:56 ◼ ► years I accept that I have now broken [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5156">TS</a>]
01:25:59 ◼ ► one of the very commonly used keys and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5159">TS</a>]
01:26:01 ◼ ► can kind of get it to fix because I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5161">TS</a>]
01:26:04 ◼ ► pretty good at like prying off these key [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5164">TS</a>]
01:26:05 ◼ ► caps and putting it back on but it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5165">TS</a>]
01:26:06 ◼ ► always a little bit wonky you know what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5166">TS</a>]
01:26:07 ◼ ► 7 years good job keyboard your filthy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5167">TS</a>]
01:26:09 ◼ ► anyway because I haven't been cleaning [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5169">TS</a>]
01:26:11 ◼ ► he well enough buy another keyboard 50 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5171">TS</a>]
01:26:14 ◼ ► bucks in your fine that we're willing I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5174">TS</a>]
01:26:17 ◼ ► think we're all willing to trade that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5177">TS</a>]
01:26:19 ◼ ► even though Apple extended to you could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5179">TS</a>]
01:26:21 ◼ ► you know defend yourself from a mugger [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5181">TS</a>]
01:26:23 ◼ ► with and it will still work fine like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5183">TS</a>]
01:26:27 ◼ ► literally never broke I I remember right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5187">TS</a>]
01:26:30 ◼ ► I dropped a pocketknife off a high shelf [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5190">TS</a>]
01:26:32 ◼ ► and it landed on the keyboard with like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5192">TS</a>]
01:26:35 ◼ ► the blade out because I don't know had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5195">TS</a>]
01:26:36 ◼ ► my knife and my blade out and it like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5196">TS</a>]
01:26:38 ◼ ► cut off like the corner of one of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5198">TS</a>]
01:26:42 ◼ ► that thing was still fine like enough [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5202">TS</a>]
01:26:45 ◼ ► force to actually cut the plastic of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5205">TS</a>]
01:26:47 ◼ ► key cap of the key switch was fine so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5207">TS</a>]
01:26:49 ◼ ► the thing was like a tank but you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5209">TS</a>]
01:26:51 ◼ ► so there's there's leeway for Apple to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5211">TS</a>]
01:26:54 ◼ ► be thinner be more elegant be lighter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5214">TS</a>]
01:26:57 ◼ ► weight reduced reliability just don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5217">TS</a>]
01:27:00 ◼ ► reduce it quite that much and it feels [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5220">TS</a>]
01:27:02 ◼ ► like they've they've gone too far with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5222">TS</a>]
01:27:03 ◼ ► this one so I I have some hope that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5223">TS</a>]
01:27:07 ◼ ► are going to turn the ship on this one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5227">TS</a>]
01:27:09 ◼ ► and it frustrates me that none of us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5229">TS</a>]
01:27:12 ◼ ► know how widespread this problem really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5232">TS</a>]
01:27:14 ◼ ► is we just you know so all anecdotes and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5234">TS</a>]
01:27:17 ◼ ► like oh yeah of course you know everyone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5237">TS</a>]
01:27:18 ◼ ► who's even respond to Casey's article [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5238">TS</a>]
01:27:20 ◼ ► not this Casey the other one is gonna be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5240">TS</a>]
01:27:22 ◼ ► like people who have keyboard problems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5242">TS</a>]
01:27:23 ◼ ► the same thing with like when marco was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5243">TS</a>]
01:27:25 ◼ ► complaining about the keyboard you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5245">TS</a>]
01:27:27 ◼ ► a year ago of course we heard from all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5247">TS</a>]
01:27:30 ◼ ► the other people who hate the keyboard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5250">TS</a>]
01:27:31 ◼ ► now the other people have reliability [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5251">TS</a>]
01:27:35 ◼ ► percentage-wise it's not it's not a it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5255">TS</a>]
01:27:38 ◼ ► not a representative sample it's just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5258">TS</a>]
01:27:42 ◼ ► the people who are at the extremes and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5262">TS</a>]
01:27:44 ◼ ► probably mostly people that agree with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5264">TS</a>]
01:27:45 ◼ ► us but Apple knows and I think Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5265">TS</a>]
01:27:49 ◼ ► geniuses probably kind of know because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5269">TS</a>]
01:27:52 ◼ ► they you know they're just they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5272">TS</a>]
01:27:53 ◼ ► taking all the repairs and stuff so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5273">TS</a>]
01:27:57 ◼ ► wish we knew exactly how much we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5277">TS</a>]
01:28:01 ◼ ► anecdotally it just seems so clear that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5281">TS</a>]
01:28:05 ◼ ► like Marco said these are new computers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5285">TS</a>]
01:28:07 ◼ ► the keyboards are already failing Casey [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5287">TS</a>]
01:28:10 ◼ ► Johnston's article like it is the the it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5290">TS</a>]
01:28:13 ◼ ► is of a type of you know a very typical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5293">TS</a>]
01:28:15 ◼ ► article where if you are in if you were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5295">TS</a>]
01:28:18 ◼ ► in the industry of like writing about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5298">TS</a>]
01:28:21 ◼ ► personally have to bring your brand-new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5301">TS</a>]
01:28:24 ◼ ► computer back three times because the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5304">TS</a>]
01:28:27 ◼ ► keyboard won't work that's like that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5307">TS</a>]
01:28:31 ◼ ► you know I'm writing an article about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5311">TS</a>]
01:28:32 ◼ ► this because this is way outside the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5312">TS</a>]
01:28:34 ◼ ► realm of expectation three times like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5314">TS</a>]
01:28:36 ◼ ► fine something you get it doesn't work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5316">TS</a>]
01:28:37 ◼ ► once you get a repair like and now that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5317">TS</a>]
01:28:38 ◼ ► it's repaired it'll be fine especially [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5318">TS</a>]
01:28:40 ◼ ► if it's like you're bringing in oh this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5320">TS</a>]
01:28:42 ◼ ► is the new 2017 keyboard with the rubber [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5322">TS</a>]
01:28:44 ◼ ► bubble blood now it's repaired that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5324">TS</a>]
01:28:46 ◼ ► fine but if you bring in and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5326">TS</a>]
01:28:48 ◼ ► replace a huge a piece of the computer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5328">TS</a>]
01:28:49 ◼ ► at great expense and it's just you all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5329">TS</a>]
01:28:52 ◼ ► you've done it starts the timer again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5332">TS</a>]
01:28:56 ◼ ► six weeks have passed out bring it back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5336">TS</a>]
01:28:57 ◼ ► in again that'll be another three to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5337">TS</a>]
01:28:59 ◼ ► seven hundred dollars and new one just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5339">TS</a>]
01:29:01 ◼ ► like that's just a bad design like if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5341">TS</a>]
01:29:04 ◼ ► bringing it in and getting huge parts of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5344">TS</a>]
01:29:06 ◼ ► your computer replaced because it's all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5346">TS</a>]
01:29:08 ◼ ► one giant thing doesn't make you feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5348">TS</a>]
01:29:11 ◼ ► like now this problem is fixed all it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5351">TS</a>]
01:29:13 ◼ ► makes you feel like is you just started [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5353">TS</a>]
01:29:14 ◼ ► a timer on the next failure again that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5354">TS</a>]
01:29:17 ◼ ► just a bad design and that's I like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5357">TS</a>]
01:29:23 ◼ ► capturing these devices and we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5363">TS</a>]
01:29:25 ◼ ► looking at the issue and we're taking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5365">TS</a>]
01:29:26 ◼ ► stock and it's actually not that big a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5366">TS</a>]
01:29:28 ◼ ► percentage and blah blah blah like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5368">TS</a>]
01:29:29 ◼ ► know I don't I don't know what to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5369">TS</a>]
01:29:31 ◼ ► believe but I do know the hopelessness [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5371">TS</a>]
01:29:33 ◼ ► of that feeling I kind of felt it with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5373">TS</a>]
01:29:35 ◼ ► my Thunderbolt Display when I would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5375">TS</a>]
01:29:36 ◼ ► bring it in and get it quote-unquote [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5376">TS</a>]
01:29:38 ◼ ► repaired with huge amounts of the guts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5378">TS</a>]
01:29:39 ◼ ► replaced but then I would get it back on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5379">TS</a>]
01:29:41 ◼ ► the same problem would be there and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5381">TS</a>]
01:29:43 ◼ ► had to bring that in three times as well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5383">TS</a>]
01:29:44 ◼ ► but luckily the third time was the charm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5384">TS</a>]
01:29:45 ◼ ► and you know that did it but these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5385">TS</a>]
01:29:48 ◼ ► keyboards I have very little faith that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5388">TS</a>]
01:29:50 ◼ ► your third repair is going to be any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5390">TS</a>]
01:29:52 ◼ ► more successful than your first or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5392">TS</a>]
01:29:54 ◼ ► second repair especially if you've got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5394">TS</a>]
01:29:56 ◼ ► the quote-unquote new keyboard on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5396">TS</a>]
01:29:58 ◼ ► second repair and the third repair so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5398">TS</a>]
01:30:00 ◼ ► this is all the type of thing that makes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5400">TS</a>]
01:30:02 ◼ ► me believe that Apple will change its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5402">TS</a>]
01:30:06 ◼ ► mind on this design a new keyboard or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5406">TS</a>]
01:30:09 ◼ ► adapt the the the magic one that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5409">TS</a>]
01:30:14 ◼ ► and in two to three years we will see a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5414">TS</a>]
01:30:17 ◼ ► new 15 inch with these new keys and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5417">TS</a>]
01:30:20 ◼ ► Apple will talk about it in a subtle but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5420">TS</a>]
01:30:23 ◼ ► not particularly self-deprecating way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5423">TS</a>]
01:30:25 ◼ ► and we will all cheer and it'll be safe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5425">TS</a>]
01:30:27 ◼ ► for Marco to buy one unless it still has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5427">TS</a>]
01:30:29 ◼ ► no ports so much cases still be angry [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5429">TS</a>]
01:30:33 ◼ ► just just for the record I have not used [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5433">TS</a>]
01:30:38 ◼ ► a touch bar MacBook Pro for more than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5438">TS</a>]
01:30:41 ◼ ► about 45 seconds in an Apple Store so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5441">TS</a>]
01:30:43 ◼ ► that could be the utter filth and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5443">TS</a>]
01:30:45 ◼ ► dumpster fire that everyone says it is I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5445">TS</a>]
01:30:47 ◼ ► don't know but I do freakin love my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5447">TS</a>]
01:30:51 ◼ ► macbook adorable are there things I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5451">TS</a>]
01:30:53 ◼ ► would change sure I would love to have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5453">TS</a>]
01:30:55 ◼ ► one more port I would love to have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5455">TS</a>]
01:30:58 ◼ ► MagSafe but in the grand scheme of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5458">TS</a>]
01:31:00 ◼ ► things I freaking love this computer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5460">TS</a>]
01:31:02 ◼ ► it's all of the good parts of the iPad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5462">TS</a>]
01:31:04 ◼ ► except without that iOS thing that holds [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5464">TS</a>]
01:31:06 ◼ ► you back and so I love this computer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5466">TS</a>]
01:31:09 ◼ ► I am looking forward to one day in like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5469">TS</a>]
01:31:13 ◼ ► eventually getting a touch bar MacBook [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5473">TS</a>]
01:31:14 ◼ ► Pro at work and seeing what that's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5474">TS</a>]
01:31:16 ◼ ► don't I love doing this you know what I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5476">TS</a>]
01:31:19 ◼ ► mean I love my iMac I am I am hopeful [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5479">TS</a>]
01:31:24 ◼ ► however that especially this keyboard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5484">TS</a>]
01:31:27 ◼ ► that I think Marco you know you made a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5487">TS</a>]
01:31:30 ◼ ► really great point earlier you really me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5490">TS</a>]
01:31:32 ◼ ► I do like it I absolutely like it but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5492">TS</a>]
01:31:36 ◼ ► also concur that it is not as reliable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5496">TS</a>]
01:31:37 ◼ ► as it should be and I had to buy it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5497">TS</a>]
01:31:41 ◼ ► we talked about on the show I had to buy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5501">TS</a>]
01:31:42 ◼ ► a can of compressed a or it's the first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5502">TS</a>]
01:31:44 ◼ ► time I bought one in probably a decade [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5504">TS</a>]
01:31:45 ◼ ► because I needed to blow out this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5505">TS</a>]
01:31:49 ◼ ► microscopic piece of dust from under the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5509">TS</a>]
01:31:52 ◼ ► keyboard such that it would operate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5512">TS</a>]
01:31:54 ◼ ► properly again and it turns out I just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5514">TS</a>]
01:31:56 ◼ ► moved it to a different key and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5516">TS</a>]
01:31:58 ◼ ► second time I blew it out and I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5518">TS</a>]
01:31:59 ◼ ► that actually did it but like that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5519">TS</a>]
01:32:01 ◼ ► that's not an acceptable answer right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5521">TS</a>]
01:32:03 ◼ ► you I've never had to blow out an Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5523">TS</a>]
01:32:05 ◼ ► keyboard before and I just hope that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5525">TS</a>]
01:32:09 ◼ ► Apple is willing and I think they are is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5529">TS</a>]
01:32:12 ◼ ► willing to revisit this in the future [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5532">TS</a>]
01:32:14 ◼ ► but I love this iMac and I love this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5534">TS</a>]
01:32:17 ◼ ► MacBook adorable and we'll see what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5537">TS</a>]
01:32:19 ◼ ► happens with my next computer whenever I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5539">TS</a>]
01:32:21 ◼ ► buy it the other thing I wish this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5541">TS</a>]
01:32:23 ◼ ► MacBook adorable had though was touch ID [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5543">TS</a>]
01:32:26 ◼ ► or face ID question mark that would be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5546">TS</a>]
01:32:31 ◼ ► cool do we think that's coming before we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5551">TS</a>]
01:32:34 ◼ ► turn to the Mac show which happens [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5554">TS</a>]
01:32:36 ◼ ► occasionally sorry people or Mac users I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5556">TS</a>]
01:32:39 ◼ ► mean have they seen the show art it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5559">TS</a>]
01:32:41 ◼ ► shouldn't be that much of a surprise [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5561">TS</a>]
01:32:43 ◼ ► face idea that Mac has been in here for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5563">TS</a>]
01:32:45 ◼ ► a while and I just want to touch on this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5565">TS</a>]
01:32:48 ◼ ► talking about iMac Pro versus Mac Pro I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5568">TS</a>]
01:32:52 ◼ ► forget how we know the iMac Pro is gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5572">TS</a>]
01:32:55 ◼ ► have a secure Enclave that Apple just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5575">TS</a>]
01:32:57 ◼ ► announced that or did people like just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5577">TS</a>]
01:32:58 ◼ ► ask the person who was in front of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5578">TS</a>]
01:33:00 ◼ ► computer and WDC amber I think it was in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5580">TS</a>]
01:33:02 ◼ ► some firmware reference there's some efi [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5582">TS</a>]
01:33:04 ◼ ► reference somewhere well anyway one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5584">TS</a>]
01:33:07 ◼ ► the potential advantages of an all on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5587">TS</a>]
01:33:10 ◼ ► computer kind of like the advantage that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5590">TS</a>]
01:33:12 ◼ ► at Apple you know leverage to bring the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5592">TS</a>]
01:33:15 ◼ ► 5k iMac at first is that you can do a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5595">TS</a>]
01:33:17 ◼ ► lot of stuff when it's everything is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5597">TS</a>]
01:33:18 ◼ ► inside the same case so a weird display [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5598">TS</a>]
01:33:23 ◼ ► with like you know the timing controller [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5603">TS</a>]
01:33:25 ◼ ► and the dual internal cable you could do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5605">TS</a>]
01:33:28 ◼ ► all that and it's like it's all in one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5608">TS</a>]
01:33:29 ◼ ► box you don't have to worry about that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5609">TS</a>]
01:33:30 ◼ ► it they can give you a 5k screen in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5610">TS</a>]
01:33:33 ◼ ► iMac before they can give it to you on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5613">TS</a>]
01:33:35 ◼ ► the Mac Pro or some other computer with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5615">TS</a>]
01:33:37 ◼ ► an external thing because they don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5617">TS</a>]
01:33:38 ◼ ► want to have to wires connecting it an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5618">TS</a>]
01:33:40 ◼ ► elegant involved well one of the other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5620">TS</a>]
01:33:42 ◼ ► things that you can do is stuff like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5622">TS</a>]
01:33:45 ◼ ► face ID where you have you got the seer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5625">TS</a>]
01:33:46 ◼ ► Enclave and you guaranteed to have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5626">TS</a>]
01:33:48 ◼ ► camera and you know where the camera is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5628">TS</a>]
01:33:49 ◼ ► and you know what the quality of it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5629">TS</a>]
01:33:54 ◼ ► person's face and you've got all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5634">TS</a>]
01:33:55 ◼ ► sensors and the IR dot thing and so on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5635">TS</a>]
01:33:57 ◼ ► and so forth so face ID starts to take [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5637">TS</a>]
01:34:01 ◼ ► off and works well I really do want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5641">TS</a>]
01:34:08 ◼ ► all-in-one computer is both laptops on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5648">TS</a>]
01:34:10 ◼ ► the iMac are perfect place for it to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5650">TS</a>]
01:34:11 ◼ ► appear we were talking about touch ID [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5651">TS</a>]
01:34:13 ◼ ► and the touch bar on on Macs like on a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5653">TS</a>]
01:34:16 ◼ ► separate keyboard but that poses a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5656">TS</a>]
01:34:19 ◼ ► of problems can the touch bar work over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5659">TS</a>]
01:34:22 ◼ ► Bluetooth if the secure Enclave is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5662">TS</a>]
01:34:25 ◼ ► inside the keyboard how does that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5665">TS</a>]
01:34:26 ◼ ► communicate and similarly with face ID [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5666">TS</a>]
01:34:28 ◼ ► and the IR sensor and the camera and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5668">TS</a>]
01:34:30 ◼ ► everything if Apple makes an external [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5670">TS</a>]
01:34:31 ◼ ► display which they are they're making an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5671">TS</a>]
01:34:33 ◼ ► external display but they want to put [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5673">TS</a>]
01:34:34 ◼ ► face ID in it they could do it but how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5674">TS</a>]
01:34:38 ◼ ► does that communicate back to the host [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5678">TS</a>]
01:34:39 ◼ ► computer I guess the answer is like oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5679">TS</a>]
01:34:41 ◼ ► there's to be Thunderbolt 3 and there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5681">TS</a>]
01:34:42 ◼ ► would be no problem but that's an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5682">TS</a>]
01:34:44 ◼ ► additional complexity that makes that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5684">TS</a>]
01:34:46 ◼ ► monitor even more complex and more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5686">TS</a>]
01:34:48 ◼ ► fraught and more like potentially flaky [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5688">TS</a>]
01:34:51 ◼ ► that if everything is in the same box so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5691">TS</a>]
01:34:54 ◼ ► I don't know if the iMac pros will have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5694">TS</a>]
01:34:59 ◼ ► wouldn't just because I feel like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5699">TS</a>]
01:35:02 ◼ ► timing of their production and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5702">TS</a>]
01:35:04 ◼ ► timing of the iPhone 10 production don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5704">TS</a>]
01:35:06 ◼ ► don't match up in a way that I would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5706">TS</a>]
01:35:08 ◼ ► expect the first iteration of the iMac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5708">TS</a>]
01:35:10 ◼ ► Pro to have them but I I fully expect [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5710">TS</a>]
01:35:14 ◼ ► and I think Apple should integrate face [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5714">TS</a>]
01:35:17 ◼ ► ID into all their Mac's eventually if it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5717">TS</a>]
01:35:20 ◼ ► works well much more so than touch ID [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5720">TS</a>]
01:35:21 ◼ ► which has been integrated into the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5721">TS</a>]
01:35:23 ◼ ► laptops but hasn't made it to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5723">TS</a>]
01:35:25 ◼ ► desktops and having you have you know a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5725">TS</a>]
01:35:27 ◼ ► laptop with touch ID now and it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5727">TS</a>]
01:35:29 ◼ ► the best implementation it's a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5729">TS</a>]
01:35:31 ◼ ► bit slow but I would love it if I just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5731">TS</a>]
01:35:34 ◼ ► opened the lid on my laptop and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5734">TS</a>]
01:35:37 ◼ ► seeing my face because it's the perfect [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5737">TS</a>]
01:35:38 ◼ ► scenario when you lift the lid on your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5738">TS</a>]
01:35:40 ◼ ► laptop chances are even better than when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5740">TS</a>]
01:35:42 ◼ ► you use a phone that you will be facing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5742">TS</a>]
01:35:43 ◼ ► it like that's how you open the lid on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5743">TS</a>]
01:35:45 ◼ ► your laptop when it's facing you right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5745">TS</a>]
01:35:46 ◼ ► it's like Here I am you open up and your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5746">TS</a>]
01:35:49 ◼ ► face comes right into view whereas your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5749">TS</a>]
01:35:50 ◼ ► phone you could like pull out of your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5750">TS</a>]
01:35:51 ◼ ► pocket or whatever might be facing the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5751">TS</a>]
01:35:53 ◼ ► weird direction much more challenging [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5753">TS</a>]
01:35:54 ◼ ► there and similarly on a Mac you sit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5754">TS</a>]
01:35:56 ◼ ► down in front of your computer boy it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5756">TS</a>]
01:35:58 ◼ ► got a great view of your face it can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5758">TS</a>]
01:35:59 ◼ ► spray those ir dots all over like it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5759">TS</a>]
01:36:01 ◼ ► just it's right there everything's built [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5761">TS</a>]
01:36:03 ◼ ► into one thing and so I really hope they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5763">TS</a>]
01:36:06 ◼ ► do bring that to Mac's I really hope [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5766">TS</a>]
01:36:08 ◼ ► they kind of like skip touch ID and say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5768">TS</a>]
01:36:10 ◼ ► well we brought a touch ID to our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5770">TS</a>]
01:36:12 ◼ ► but you know what let's just skip right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5772">TS</a>]
01:36:14 ◼ ► to face ID because even more so than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5774">TS</a>]
01:36:16 ◼ ► KC's beloved watch unlock face ID is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5776">TS</a>]
01:36:18 ◼ ► ultimate I was gonna say because it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5778">TS</a>]
01:36:20 ◼ ► super quick now super quick between the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5780">TS</a>]
01:36:23 ◼ ► do watch and in the new OS it is super [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5783">TS</a>]
01:36:26 ◼ ► fast but you don't have to have your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5786">TS</a>]
01:36:27 ◼ ► watch on and you can just sit down and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5787">TS</a>]
01:36:29 ◼ ► different people can sit down and can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5789">TS</a>]
01:36:30 ◼ ► recognize who they are and switch to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5790">TS</a>]
01:36:31 ◼ ► their account like if they can do that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5791">TS</a>]
01:36:33 ◼ ► well and fast that is a better future [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5793">TS</a>]
01:36:35 ◼ ► for authentication on the Mac then touch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5795">TS</a>]
01:36:38 ◼ ► ID ever could be and it solves so many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5798">TS</a>]
01:36:41 ◼ ► problems the only downside is it's more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5801">TS</a>]
01:36:46 ◼ ► supposedly there top end computer now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5806">TS</a>]
01:36:48 ◼ ► you have to figure out a way to you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5808">TS</a>]
01:36:50 ◼ ► get those cameras again and maybe maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5810">TS</a>]
01:36:52 ◼ ► I'm overblowing maybe Thunder what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5812">TS</a>]
01:36:54 ◼ ► really does support solve this problem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5814">TS</a>]
01:36:55 ◼ ► entirely further maybe they have plenty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5815">TS</a>]
01:36:56 ◼ ► of bandwidth inside channels for all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5816">TS</a>]
01:36:58 ◼ ► these weird sensors and everything and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5818">TS</a>]
01:36:59 ◼ ► there's no problem with the drivers I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5819">TS</a>]
01:37:00 ◼ ► just I just worry it will be less [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5820">TS</a>]
01:37:02 ◼ ► reliable than it is in the iMac where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5822">TS</a>]
01:37:05 ◼ ► they've got everything inside the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5825">TS</a>]
01:37:06 ◼ ► case the other problem is with laptops [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5826">TS</a>]
01:37:09 ◼ ► thickness limitation on on the screen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5829">TS</a>]
01:37:11 ◼ ► lid you know the screen lid is extremely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5831">TS</a>]
01:37:14 ◼ ► thin you know they keep they can't even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5834">TS</a>]
01:37:16 ◼ ► fit a decent front-facing camera in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5836">TS</a>]
01:37:18 ◼ ► laptops like you can get like you know a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5838">TS</a>]
01:37:20 ◼ ► $3,000 MacBook Pro that's brand new and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5840">TS</a>]
01:37:22 ◼ ► the the FaceTime camera on it is worse [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5842">TS</a>]
01:37:25 ◼ ► than like the iPhone 5s is FaceTime [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5845">TS</a>]
01:37:27 ◼ ► camera isn't like it's it's really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5847">TS</a>]
01:37:29 ◼ ► really bad front cameras on the Mac's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5849">TS</a>]
01:37:31 ◼ ► possibly for cost reasons cuz they just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5851">TS</a>]
01:37:33 ◼ ► don't care but most likely also because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5853">TS</a>]
01:37:36 ◼ ► of thickness reasons that those screen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5856">TS</a>]
01:37:37 ◼ ► lids are super thin and I don't know if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5857">TS</a>]
01:37:39 ◼ ► they can fit good enough sensors into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5859">TS</a>]
01:37:42 ◼ ► those screen lids on the laptops to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5862">TS</a>]
01:37:44 ◼ ► actually achieve face ID anytime soon I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5864">TS</a>]
01:37:46 ◼ ► think that a camera is probably good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5866">TS</a>]
01:37:48 ◼ ► enough already just I don't know how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5868">TS</a>]
01:37:50 ◼ ► I are sprayer depth thing there as soon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5870">TS</a>]
01:37:52 ◼ ► as we get the I fix that tear down to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5872">TS</a>]
01:37:53 ◼ ► the phone like is they using all that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5873">TS</a>]
01:37:55 ◼ ► thickness for the additional sensors or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5875">TS</a>]
01:37:57 ◼ ► actually those sensors super thin and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5877">TS</a>]
01:37:59 ◼ ► it's no problem okay I feel like I can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5879">TS</a>]
01:38:01 ◼ ► fit it there's not as much room as there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5881">TS</a>]
01:38:04 ◼ ► is on a phone but you know like you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5884">TS</a>]
01:38:08 ◼ ► always make it a millimeter to thicker I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5888">TS</a>]
01:38:10 ◼ ► wouldn't say that they should go with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5890">TS</a>]
01:38:11 ◼ ► the Bulge but maybe not the first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5891">TS</a>]
01:38:14 ◼ ► generation but down the line those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5894">TS</a>]
01:38:17 ◼ ► sensors there's nothing inherent about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5897">TS</a>]
01:38:18 ◼ ► the sensors like optically speaking that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5898">TS</a>]
01:38:20 ◼ ► makes me think they can't have it and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5900">TS</a>]
01:38:21 ◼ ► think the camera is plenty good enough [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5901">TS</a>]
01:38:23 ◼ ► already it's just the the auxilary [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5903">TS</a>]
01:38:26 ◼ ► sensors the multiple cameras or the IR [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5906">TS</a>]
01:38:28 ◼ ► thing that I don't think they're but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5908">TS</a>]
01:38:30 ◼ ► anyway no problem on the iMac plenty of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5910">TS</a>]
01:38:32 ◼ ► room there and so that should be the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5912">TS</a>]
01:38:33 ◼ ► first the first place it appears is on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5913">TS</a>]
01:38:36 ◼ ► there you know big desktops because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5916">TS</a>]
01:38:38 ◼ ► you've got more room more power and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5918">TS</a>]
01:38:40 ◼ ► that's what they should do yeah I have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5920">TS</a>]
01:38:43 ◼ ► this like you know slight fantasy that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5923">TS</a>]
01:38:45 ◼ ► like maybe the iMac Pro does have face [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5925">TS</a>]
01:38:47 ◼ ► ID and that's why it's not out yet they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5927">TS</a>]
01:38:49 ◼ ► were holding it back until the iPhone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5929">TS</a>]
01:38:51 ◼ ► unveil with its face ID but I think in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5931">TS</a>]
01:38:53 ◼ ► reality that's very unlikely it doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5933">TS</a>]
01:38:56 ◼ ► seem to work out because you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5936">TS</a>]
01:38:57 ◼ ► everything having to do with face ID is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5937">TS</a>]
01:38:59 ◼ ► coming first on the 10 and that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5939">TS</a>]
01:39:00 ◼ ► everything with the companies focused on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5940">TS</a>]
01:39:02 ◼ ► imacro it started so long ago like it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5942">TS</a>]
01:39:05 ◼ ► seems like their flagship phone is going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5945">TS</a>]
01:39:07 ◼ ► to blaze the path for this and then like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5947">TS</a>]
01:39:09 ◼ ► it just doesn't it just doesn't work out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5949">TS</a>]
01:39:11 ◼ ► timing wise I feel like even the second [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5951">TS</a>]
01:39:14 ◼ ► generation iMac Pro that maybe in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5954">TS</a>]
01:39:16 ◼ ► planning stages even that one might not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5956">TS</a>]
01:39:18 ◼ ► have face I did incorporate it but you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5958">TS</a>]
01:39:19 ◼ ► know I would love to be too surprised [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5959">TS</a>]
01:39:20 ◼ ► surprised too I mean it's not like any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5960">TS</a>]
01:39:22 ◼ ► of us scrutinized the forehead of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5962">TS</a>]
01:39:25 ◼ ► macro model and that thing to look for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5965">TS</a>]
01:39:28 ◼ ► tiny little impossible to see slightly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5968">TS</a>]
01:39:31 ◼ ► differently colored black areas in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5971">TS</a>]
01:39:32 ◼ ► forehead to see if we could see an IR [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5972">TS</a>]
01:39:34 ◼ ► sensor yeah I think it's way more likely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5974">TS</a>]
01:39:37 ◼ ► that face ID does come to the Mac but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5977">TS</a>]
01:39:38 ◼ ► that's you know in like three years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5978">TS</a>]
01:39:40 ◼ ► you know not probably not soon well I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5980">TS</a>]
01:39:42 ◼ ► don't want to wait that long I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5982">TS</a>]
01:39:43 ◼ ► next year I want to see it an iMac maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5983">TS</a>]
01:39:46 ◼ ► that can be in the Indy Pro display like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5986">TS</a>]
01:39:48 ◼ ► you know we we have speculated on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5988">TS</a>]
01:39:50 ◼ ► showed like you know they mentioned into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5990">TS</a>]
01:39:51 ◼ ► that in the Mac Pro briefing last spring [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5991">TS</a>]
01:39:53 ◼ ► that you know they're working on a Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5993">TS</a>]
01:39:54 ◼ ► Pro and also a new Pro display we know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5994">TS</a>]
01:39:58 ◼ ► nothing about that display except that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/5998">TS</a>]
01:40:00 ◼ ► they said it's going to exist so we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6000">TS</a>]
01:40:04 ◼ ► what size it is it could be 8k we don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6004">TS</a>]
01:40:06 ◼ ► know like we we have no idea what size [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6006">TS</a>]
01:40:09 ◼ ► features will it have when will it come [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6009">TS</a>]
01:40:11 ◼ ► out what will it cost like we have no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6011">TS</a>]
01:40:13 ◼ ► idea one of the obvious questions is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6013">TS</a>]
01:40:16 ◼ ► what would make someone buy the Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6016">TS</a>]
01:40:19 ◼ ► pro display instead of the LG you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6019">TS</a>]
01:40:22 ◼ ► mediocrity box and face ID could be a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6022">TS</a>]
01:40:25 ◼ ► great answer because like you know you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6025">TS</a>]
01:40:27 ◼ ► know it's gonna cost more because it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6027">TS</a>]
01:40:28 ◼ ► gonna be an Apple display so like if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6028">TS</a>]
01:40:30 ◼ ► Apple's gonna sell it you know if LG's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6030">TS</a>]
01:40:31 ◼ ► still selling there is you know soon as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6031">TS</a>]
01:40:33 ◼ ► thinking that next summer let's see the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6033">TS</a>]
01:40:35 ◼ ► LG 5k display next summer as a thousand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6035">TS</a>]
01:40:36 ◼ ► bucks I think at best it's gonna be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6036">TS</a>]
01:40:38 ◼ ► maybe 900 but it's robably gonna be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6038">TS</a>]
01:40:40 ◼ ► about a thousand bucks next summer Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6040">TS</a>]
01:40:42 ◼ ► comes out it lets say their displays 5k [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6042">TS</a>]
01:40:43 ◼ ► it's probably gonna be at least fifteen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6043">TS</a>]
01:40:46 ◼ ► so what what can they do to help justify [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6046">TS</a>]
01:40:49 ◼ ► that cost you know if LG's is gonna be a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6049">TS</a>]
01:40:51 ◼ ► thousand now Apple's not gonna be a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6051">TS</a>]
01:40:52 ◼ ► thousand so one of the ways they can one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6052">TS</a>]
01:40:55 ◼ ► of the things they could do that no one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6055">TS</a>]
01:40:56 ◼ ► else can do is face ID they can build [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6056">TS</a>]
01:40:58 ◼ ► that in like that would be an incredible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6058">TS</a>]
01:41:00 ◼ ► selling point that would make pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6060">TS</a>]
01:41:02 ◼ ► much everyone at at the high-end choose [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6062">TS</a>]
01:41:04 ◼ ► that display over some other thing from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6064">TS</a>]
01:41:07 ◼ ► somebody else so that's the one they can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6067">TS</a>]
01:41:09 ◼ ► do it we don't know until like you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6069">TS</a>]
01:41:11 ◼ ► something like until we get actual [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6071">TS</a>]
01:41:13 ◼ ► information and hopefully actual product [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6073">TS</a>]
01:41:15 ◼ ► releases from the Mac Pro and this pro [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6075">TS</a>]
01:41:18 ◼ ► display there are so many unanswered [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6078">TS</a>]
01:41:20 ◼ ► questions that make it very hard to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6080">TS</a>]
01:41:22 ◼ ► contextualize the iMac Pro and to decide [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6082">TS</a>]
01:41:25 ◼ ► whether to buy the iMac Pro or the other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6085">TS</a>]
01:41:27 ◼ ► things so you said you'll be buying 13 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6087">TS</a>]
01:41:31 ◼ ► iMac pros well thanks to our sponsors [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6091">TS</a>]
01:41:33 ◼ ► this week betterment hover and away and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6093">TS</a>]
01:41:54 ◼ ► this computer is about a year old and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6114">TS</a>]
01:42:01 ◼ ► I have been waiting to upgrade for a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6121">TS</a>]
01:42:07 ◼ ► well you're telling me very witty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6127">TS</a>]
01:42:12 ◼ ► surgery for a speck of dust largely the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6132">TS</a>]
01:42:16 ◼ ► butterfly I found your instructions they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6136">TS</a>]
01:42:23 ◼ ► I bought this can of air I feel like an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6143">TS</a>]
01:42:32 ◼ ► I'm Priscilla's baseball I am guys in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6152">TS</a>]
01:42:36 ◼ ► the space bar I'm pressing the space bar [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6156">TS</a>]
01:43:01 ◼ ► so tell us what your little experiment [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6181">TS</a>]
01:43:04 ◼ ► was last week with the show not with you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6184">TS</a>]
01:43:07 ◼ ► yeah this didn't go so well so um [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6187">TS</a>]
01:43:10 ◼ ► longtime listeners will remember that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6190">TS</a>]
01:43:13 ◼ ► base I had a bee in my bonnet this case [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6193">TS</a>]
01:43:17 ◼ ► you would probably say about I I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6197">TS</a>]
01:43:22 ◼ ► upset that Apple's mp3 decoding library [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6202">TS</a>]
01:43:24 ◼ ► did not properly seek VBR mp3s and that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6204">TS</a>]
01:43:28 ◼ ► podcast could be way better if they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6208">TS</a>]
01:43:31 ◼ ► could be VBR mp3s because variable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6211">TS</a>]
01:43:33 ◼ ► bitrate means that you can for instance [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6213">TS</a>]
01:43:36 ◼ ► the silences between all of our words [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6216">TS</a>]
01:43:38 ◼ ► that overcast is hopefully shortening [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6218">TS</a>]
01:43:40 ◼ ► for you for you know 70% of you these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6220">TS</a>]
01:43:43 ◼ ► silences between all of our words can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6223">TS</a>]
01:43:45 ◼ ► use very few bits because there isn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6225">TS</a>]
01:43:46 ◼ ► much information there the words can use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6226">TS</a>]
01:43:48 ◼ ► a decent amount of bits but not a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6228">TS</a>]
01:43:50 ◼ ► massive amount cuz they don't need that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6230">TS</a>]
01:43:51 ◼ ► much and then the theme song the place [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6231">TS</a>]
01:43:53 ◼ ► between the after show and the regular [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6233">TS</a>]
01:43:54 ◼ ► show can use like music bit rates and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6234">TS</a>]
01:43:57 ◼ ► all of that could be done a total file [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6237">TS</a>]
01:43:59 ◼ ► size of not that much compared to a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6239">TS</a>]
01:44:02 ◼ ► constant bitrate mediocre quality file [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6242">TS</a>]
01:44:04 ◼ ► just because different parts of the file [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6244">TS</a>]
01:44:06 ◼ ► need different things and some of them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6246">TS</a>]
01:44:07 ◼ ► need more and some need less so it makes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6247">TS</a>]
01:44:09 ◼ ► sense to encode with a variable bitrate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6249">TS</a>]
01:44:11 ◼ ► but the problem is if things that don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6251">TS</a>]
01:44:14 ◼ ► properly support variable bitrate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6254">TS</a>]
01:44:16 ◼ ► they they basically read the file as if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6256">TS</a>]
01:44:20 ◼ ► it's either the average bitrate of like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6260">TS</a>]
01:44:23 ◼ ► the file size divided by the duration or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6263">TS</a>]
01:44:26 ◼ ► they or they read the very first mp3 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6266">TS</a>]
01:44:29 ◼ ► frames with the first few milliseconds [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6269">TS</a>]
01:44:31 ◼ ► of the file and they assume that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6271">TS</a>]
01:44:33 ◼ ► whole file is whatever bitrate that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6273">TS</a>]
01:44:35 ◼ ► first frame is and so this causes a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6275">TS</a>]
01:44:38 ◼ ► couple of problems oh and also the waste [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6278">TS</a>]
01:44:41 ◼ ► the way some of them would calculate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6281">TS</a>]
01:44:42 ◼ ► duration is they would read that first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6282">TS</a>]
01:44:46 ◼ ► frame see what the bitrate is look at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6286">TS</a>]
01:44:49 ◼ ► the file size and just divide it and say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6289">TS</a>]
01:44:51 ◼ ► alright well if the first frame is you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6291">TS</a>]
01:44:53 ◼ ► know 32 kilobits and this is a hundred [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6293">TS</a>]
01:44:55 ◼ ► mega file and this is gonna be like what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6295">TS</a>]
01:44:57 ◼ ► would that be like a five hour long file [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6297">TS</a>]
01:45:00 ◼ ► isn't like that the mp3 standard is very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6300">TS</a>]
01:45:03 ◼ ► old it doesn't provide a lot of a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6303">TS</a>]
01:45:06 ◼ ► niceties in this regard so you know that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6306">TS</a>]
01:45:09 ◼ ► there's been some bad implementations [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6309">TS</a>]
01:45:10 ◼ ► over the years however VBR encoding has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6310">TS</a>]
01:45:13 ◼ ► since literally the late 90s so this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6313">TS</a>]
01:45:16 ◼ ► not a new thing to do and it's extremely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6316">TS</a>]
01:45:20 ◼ ► common for music files to BVB are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6320">TS</a>]
01:45:22 ◼ ► encoded because it's it's a way to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6322">TS</a>]
01:45:24 ◼ ► achieve very good quality without [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6324">TS</a>]
01:45:25 ◼ ► obscene file sizes so this has been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6325">TS</a>]
01:45:30 ◼ ► not everything supports it properly the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6330">TS</a>]
01:45:32 ◼ ► main problem that you see when it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6332">TS</a>]
01:45:36 ◼ ► duration is misreported because of what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6336">TS</a>]
01:45:37 ◼ ► I said earlier or seeking doesn't work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6337">TS</a>]
01:45:40 ◼ ► properly in the sense that you seek to a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6340">TS</a>]
01:45:43 ◼ ► timestamp and as far as the player is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6343">TS</a>]
01:45:45 ◼ ► concerned it is playing at that time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6345">TS</a>]
01:45:46 ◼ ► stamp but the content that you are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6346">TS</a>]
01:45:47 ◼ ► hearing is not the content that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6347">TS</a>]
01:45:50 ◼ ► actually at the times of your hearing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6350">TS</a>]
01:45:51 ◼ ► the wrong thing for the time if you seek [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6351">TS</a>]
01:45:53 ◼ ► because the dumb way to seek is if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6353">TS</a>]
01:45:56 ◼ ► know the file size and the duration you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6356">TS</a>]
01:45:59 ◼ ► can say alright well if the user seek to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6359">TS</a>]
01:46:01 ◼ ► the 50% point in time in the duration [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6361">TS</a>]
01:46:05 ◼ ► seek to the 50% byte in the file and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6365">TS</a>]
01:46:08 ◼ ► then just start playing from there with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6368">TS</a>]
01:46:11 ◼ ► a VBR file though you don't actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6371">TS</a>]
01:46:13 ◼ ► know that the 50% of the bytes through [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6373">TS</a>]
01:46:16 ◼ ► matches up to 50% of the time through [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6376">TS</a>]
01:46:19 ◼ ► because the distribution of different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6379">TS</a>]
01:46:22 ◼ ► different parts of the podcast so when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6382">TS</a>]
01:46:25 ◼ ► something does is if we're doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6385">TS</a>]
01:46:26 ◼ ► support PVR properly you have that issue [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6386">TS</a>]
01:46:28 ◼ ► we're seeking to a timestamp does not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6388">TS</a>]
01:46:31 ◼ ► actually play the correct timestamp well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6391">TS</a>]
01:46:33 ◼ ► we started getting a lot of reports from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6393">TS</a>]
01:46:35 ◼ ► people on Android mostly this past this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6395">TS</a>]
01:46:38 ◼ ► past week when I released the show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6398">TS</a>]
01:46:40 ◼ ► saying hey your chapter markers are all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6400">TS</a>]
01:46:44 ◼ ► timestamps in you know insert name of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6404">TS</a>]
01:46:46 ◼ ► android podcast player it wasn't too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6406">TS</a>]
01:46:49 ◼ ► long before somebody I think John [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6409">TS</a>]
01:46:51 ◼ ► probably asked did you by any chance [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6411">TS</a>]
01:46:56 ◼ ► this week and the answer was yes I I did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6416">TS</a>]
01:47:01 ◼ ► I so Apple added VBR seeking support [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6421">TS</a>]
01:47:03 ◼ ► finally in in iOS 11 and our High Sierra [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6423">TS</a>]
01:47:07 ◼ ► and now that iOS 11 and has over 50% [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6427">TS</a>]
01:47:10 ◼ ► market share and nobody listened to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6430">TS</a>]
01:47:14 ◼ ► so I figured this would be a safe time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6434">TS</a>]
01:47:17 ◼ ► for me to try VBR to just see like how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6437">TS</a>]
01:47:20 ◼ ► many problems you know are we gonna hear [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6440">TS</a>]
01:47:22 ◼ ► from anybody whose problems there was no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6442">TS</a>]
01:47:23 ◼ ► one gonna really notice or care because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6443">TS</a>]
01:47:27 ◼ ► I bet a vast majority of them upgrade to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6447">TS</a>]
01:47:29 ◼ ► the new OS fairly soon and since the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6449">TS</a>]
01:47:32 ◼ ► global share of iOS 11 was over over 50% [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6452">TS</a>]
01:47:34 ◼ ► I figured you know that's that's pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6454">TS</a>]
01:47:35 ◼ ► good and I knew it worked fine on an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6455">TS</a>]
01:47:37 ◼ ► overcast and or any other iOS app that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6457">TS</a>]
01:47:39 ◼ ► used the built-in iOS libraries I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6459">TS</a>]
01:47:41 ◼ ► figured Android as nerdy surely they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6461">TS</a>]
01:47:44 ◼ ► figured out a 20 year old mp3 standard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6464">TS</a>]
01:47:46 ◼ ► by now turns out that was wrong it turns [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6466">TS</a>]
01:47:48 ◼ ► out that III don't know the the great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6468">TS</a>]
01:47:52 ◼ ► details on how mp3 decoding is done in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6472">TS</a>]
01:47:55 ◼ ► android how many different libraries [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6475">TS</a>]
01:47:57 ◼ ► there are to do it what versions are out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6477">TS</a>]
01:47:58 ◼ ► there because I don't know any about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6478">TS</a>]
01:47:59 ◼ ► Android but suffice to say most of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6479">TS</a>]
01:48:02 ◼ ► Android or all of Android in practice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6482">TS</a>]
01:48:04 ◼ ► does not support VBR seeking of mp3s and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6484">TS</a>]
01:48:06 ◼ ► therefore or at least the libraries that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6486">TS</a>]
01:48:08 ◼ ► podcast makers use I honestly again I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6488">TS</a>]
01:48:10 ◼ ► don't know the details of all this short [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6490">TS</a>]
01:48:12 ◼ ► version is they aren't supported so all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6492">TS</a>]
01:48:16 ◼ ► bothering us and the app makers who make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6496">TS</a>]
01:48:18 ◼ ► Android podcast apps some books are very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6498">TS</a>]
01:48:20 ◼ ► mad at me right now it was causing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6500">TS</a>]
01:48:21 ◼ ► enough problems that I was convinced to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6501">TS</a>]
01:48:25 ◼ ► put a CBR file back a big constant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6505">TS</a>]
01:48:28 ◼ ► bitrate file backup and that this was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6508">TS</a>]
01:48:29 ◼ ► not a good test after all the failure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6509">TS</a>]
01:48:31 ◼ ► rate was simply too high so about a day [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6511">TS</a>]
01:48:35 ◼ ► after release I switched the file out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6515">TS</a>]
01:48:37 ◼ ► for a regular bit rate lower quality [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6517">TS</a>]
01:48:40 ◼ ► larger file it turns out this was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6520">TS</a>]
01:48:43 ◼ ► failed experiment for VBR last week I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6523">TS</a>]
01:48:46 ◼ ► don't know when I will try it again I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6526">TS</a>]
01:48:48 ◼ ► think what this has shown me is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6528">TS</a>]
01:48:51 ◼ ► basically androids not ready you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6531">TS</a>]
01:48:53 ◼ ► iOS just got ready Android is not ready [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6533">TS</a>]
01:48:55 ◼ ► and because of the nature of Android [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6535">TS</a>]
01:48:58 ◼ ► it's probably gonna be a long time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6538">TS</a>]
01:49:00 ◼ ► before before podcast makers can safely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6540">TS</a>]
01:49:02 ◼ ► ship VBR files without causing problem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6542">TS</a>]
01:49:04 ◼ ► for people so I'm guessing I'm probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6544">TS</a>]
01:49:08 ◼ ► not gonna do VBR again for a very long [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6548">TS</a>]
01:49:11 ◼ ► time possibly if ever because the other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6551">TS</a>]
01:49:14 ◼ ► thing is if I can for instance serve [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6554">TS</a>]
01:49:17 ◼ ► different files to different clients [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6557">TS</a>]
01:49:19 ◼ ► like right now there's not a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6559">TS</a>]
01:49:21 ◼ ► infrastructure in place for that it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6561">TS</a>]
01:49:22 ◼ ► things like our hosting and our website [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6562">TS</a>]
01:49:24 ◼ ► and things like that but you know if if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6564">TS</a>]
01:49:26 ◼ ► I were to go through the complexity [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6566">TS</a>]
01:49:28 ◼ ► rabbit hole of adding something like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6568">TS</a>]
01:49:29 ◼ ► that where I could serve different files [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6569">TS</a>]
01:49:30 ◼ ► to different clients then I probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6570">TS</a>]
01:49:33 ◼ ► should stop using mp3 altogether for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6573">TS</a>]
01:49:35 ◼ ► like the good one and I should start [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6575">TS</a>]
01:49:37 ◼ ► making like an opus file because opus is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6577">TS</a>]
01:49:40 ◼ ► than mp3 and I could get awesome quality [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6580">TS</a>]
01:49:44 ◼ ► with VBR naturally in something like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6584">TS</a>]
01:49:47 ◼ ► third of the file size so I don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6587">TS</a>]
01:49:50 ◼ ► if I'm ever going to actually be able to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6590">TS</a>]
01:49:52 ◼ ► practically use VBR mp3s as a podcast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6592">TS</a>]
01:49:55 ◼ ► again but at least now that Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6595">TS</a>]
01:49:58 ◼ ► supports it in their libraries which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6598">TS</a>]
01:50:00 ◼ ► means now that every iOS app will now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6600">TS</a>]
01:50:02 ◼ ► support it and at least there's a chance [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6602">TS</a>]
01:50:04 ◼ ► and I hope I can do it in the future but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6604">TS</a>]
01:50:05 ◼ ► it's probably gonna be a long way off if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6605">TS</a>]
01:50:06 ◼ ► ever you should serve up the show as a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6606">TS</a>]
01:50:10 ◼ ► HEV C video but with no video if I has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6610">TS</a>]
01:50:16 ◼ ► all the features that you want from its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6616">TS</a>]
01:50:17 ◼ ► audio stream is variable bitrate and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6617">TS</a>]
01:50:19 ◼ ► chapter markers most often it may be it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6619">TS</a>]
01:50:22 ◼ ► may turn out to be playable on more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6622">TS</a>]
01:50:24 ◼ ► platforms sooner than variable bitrate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6624">TS</a>]
01:50:27 ◼ ► and easier because it's not like VBR mp3 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6627">TS</a>]
01:50:30 ◼ ► is the new standard we're waiting for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6630">TS</a>]
01:50:31 ◼ ► people to catch up as you noted is 20 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6631">TS</a>]
01:50:32 ◼ ► years old so if they haven't done an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6632">TS</a>]
01:50:34 ◼ ► a-lister motivation where as all of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6634">TS</a>]
01:50:36 ◼ ► HEV C and all those new containers is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6636">TS</a>]
01:50:38 ◼ ► new format and I think most platforms [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6638">TS</a>]
01:50:40 ◼ ► will adopt that so people can watch 4k [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6640">TS</a>]
01:50:42 ◼ ► video or whatever on it although there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6642">TS</a>]
01:50:44 ◼ ► what is the competing one was the Google [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6644">TS</a>]
01:50:46 ◼ ► one that they like said vp9 via one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6646">TS</a>]
01:50:49 ◼ ► the VP's yeah well anyway you still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6649">TS</a>]
01:50:52 ◼ ► probably serve two different frostings [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6652">TS</a>]
01:50:53 ◼ ► anyway next time just you know do the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6653">TS</a>]
01:50:55 ◼ ► experiment and top four is all I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6655">TS</a>]
01:50:57 ◼ ► saying I can't hear about pumpkin spice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6657">TS</a>]
01:51:01 ◼ ► food I'm so angry they'll get over it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6661">TS</a>]
01:51:04 ◼ ► they'll be fine Wow important is hearing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6664">TS</a>]
01:51:09 ◼ ► us complain for the umpteenth time about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6669">TS</a>]
01:51:11 ◼ ► the MacBook Pro keyboard in the Mac Pro [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6671">TS</a>]
01:51:13 ◼ ► I mean that's a good priority straight [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6673">TS</a>]
01:51:15 ◼ ► although I have to say seeing the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6675">TS</a>]
01:51:17 ◼ ► picture of all that food that you bought [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6677">TS</a>]
01:51:19 ◼ ► like I try not to do the math like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6679">TS</a>]
01:51:21 ◼ ► feel like you were running the show at a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6681">TS</a>]
01:51:23 ◼ ► loss based on how many hundreds of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6683">TS</a>]
01:51:24 ◼ ► dollars worth of crap food you buy fresh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6684">TS</a>]
01:51:26 ◼ ► episode and then you know give away or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6686">TS</a>]
01:51:29 ◼ ► throw away it's just doesn't seem to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6689">TS</a>]
01:51:30 ◼ ► make economic sense and he's giving you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6690">TS</a>]
01:51:32 ◼ ► tummy aches yeah fortunately pumpkin [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6692">TS</a>]
01:51:35 ◼ ► spiced garbage food from discount retail [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6695">TS</a>]
01:51:37 ◼ ► stores is not very expensive but yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6697">TS</a>]
01:51:40 ◼ ► that definitely was pros a lot of food [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6700">TS</a>]
01:51:42 ◼ ► yeah well it's big boxes I mean you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6702">TS</a>]
01:51:45 ◼ ► it's like it's crap food there's not a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6705">TS</a>]
01:51:46 ◼ ► lot of in there it's not did you try it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6706">TS</a>]
01:51:47 ◼ ► all other than the ones that you were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6707">TS</a>]
01:51:49 ◼ ► too afraid to like did you actually open [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6709">TS</a>]
01:51:51 ◼ ► every box in consider because oh yes yet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6711">TS</a>]
01:51:54 ◼ ► like there were a few that we cut from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6714">TS</a>]
01:51:55 ◼ ► this show like the like there was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6715">TS</a>]
01:51:56 ◼ ► backup popcorn like there were a few [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6716">TS</a>]
01:51:58 ◼ ► that we cut just because like it wasn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6718">TS</a>]
01:52:00 ◼ ► interesting I'm like we I mean we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6720">TS</a>]
01:52:02 ◼ ► recorded something like an hour and 45 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6722">TS</a>]
01:52:04 ◼ ► minutes and we ran out of time like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6724">TS</a>]
01:52:10 ◼ ► first session we had to fit in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6730">TS</a>]
01:52:11 ◼ ► school day because we didn't do during [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6731">TS</a>]
01:52:13 ◼ ► the day and like it was time to go pick [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6733">TS</a>]
01:52:14 ◼ ► up at him at the bus we had to stop like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6734">TS</a>]
01:52:17 ◼ ► it was like it we had way too much fun [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6737">TS</a>]
01:52:20 ◼ ► so yeah that was there was a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6740">TS</a>]
01:52:24 ◼ ► editing there we'll put a link in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6744">TS</a>]
01:52:25 ◼ ► show notes this is one of Markos other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6745">TS</a>]
01:52:27 ◼ ► podcasts and it's very different from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6747">TS</a>]
01:52:29 ◼ ► ATP and it's a lot of fun and if you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6749">TS</a>]
01:52:32 ◼ ► interested in it you'll be able to link [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6752">TS</a>]
01:52:33 ◼ ► to it this is in this episode they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6753">TS</a>]
01:52:35 ◼ ► tasted a bunch of pumpkin spice food I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6755">TS</a>]
01:52:38 ◼ ► don't know why it's what they do and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6758">TS</a>]
01:52:40 ◼ ► then the permit the premises of the show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6760">TS</a>]
01:52:42 ◼ ► is that they rank them but it's a farce [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6762">TS</a>]
01:52:45 ◼ ► so anyway check out the show number two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6765">TS</a>]
01:52:50 ◼ ► I have 45 honorable mentions just once [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6770">TS</a>]
01:52:56 ◼ ► they get into the for that they can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6776">TS</a>]
01:52:57 ◼ ► actually pick for Margot Margot had a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6777">TS</a>]
01:52:59 ◼ ► new twist this time because it was like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6779">TS</a>]
01:53:01 ◼ ► this would be my number two except it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6781">TS</a>]
01:53:04 ◼ ► not my number two because I'm weird [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6784">TS</a>]
01:53:05 ◼ ► about things so he had an alternate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6785">TS</a>]
01:53:08 ◼ ► number two and three after he'd gotten [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6788">TS</a>]
01:53:11 ◼ ► up to his number one and he'd done the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6791">TS</a>]
01:53:12 ◼ ► other ones and he's saying this would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6792">TS</a>]
01:53:14 ◼ ► actually be my number two but and there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6794">TS</a>]
01:53:16 ◼ ► was some kind of explanation that made [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6796">TS</a>]
01:53:17 ◼ ► sense in his mind but it didn't actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6797">TS</a>]
01:53:18 ◼ ► make any sense of as to why his number [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6798">TS</a>]
01:53:20 ◼ ► two was not even in the top four yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6800">TS</a>]
01:53:22 ◼ ► that's really mind-boggling it made [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6802">TS</a>]
01:53:24 ◼ ► sense in my head he had already had lots [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6804">TS</a>]
01:53:27 ◼ ► of pumpkin beer at that point so we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6807">TS</a>]
01:53:29 ◼ ► honestly I had like three sips of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6809">TS</a>]
01:53:31 ◼ ► pumpkin beer because one of them I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6811">TS</a>]
01:53:33 ◼ ► didn't like very much the other one I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6813">TS</a>]
01:53:35 ◼ ► didn't have time to drink so it was I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6815">TS</a>]
01:53:37 ◼ ► was I was high on pumpkin spice donuts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6817">TS</a>]
01:53:40 ◼ ► and cream cheese and all sorts of weird [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6820">TS</a>]
01:53:42 ◼ ► sky like the pumpkin spice donut holes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6822">TS</a>]
01:53:45 ◼ ► it barely had any flavor it's like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6825">TS</a>]
01:53:47 ◼ ► were munching on those anyways like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6827">TS</a>]
01:53:49 ◼ ► know what Donuts not they're not pumpkin [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6829">TS</a>]
01:53:53 ◼ ► spicy they don't even make marble [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6833">TS</a>]
01:53:54 ◼ ► mansions but doughnuts you can have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6834">TS</a>]
01:53:57 ◼ ► doughnut holes in pretty much any flavor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6837">TS</a>]
01:54:00 ◼ ► and they're gonna be amazing and you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6840">TS</a>]
01:54:01 ◼ ► gonna want more of them they're so small [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6841">TS</a>]
01:54:04 ◼ ► yes but barely barely count they feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6844">TS</a>]
01:54:08 ◼ ► so we're missing on this show we don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6848">TS</a>]
01:54:12 ◼ ► you got toasters for a while yeah but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6852">TS</a>]
01:54:14 ◼ ► had to supply my own food and it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTOzWx0/6854">TS</a>]