The Accidental Tech Podcast

00:00:00 ◼   ► oh god I can't imagine have to put a key [TS]

00:00:01 ◼   ► in a steering column Oh grow like an [TS]

00:00:04 ◼   ► animal it's fun twisting twisting [TS]

00:00:06 ◼   ► twisting the key is fun yeah [TS]

00:00:09 ◼   ► John how do you live man get in foot [TS]

00:00:11 ◼   ► down the clutch foot on the brake twist [TS]

00:00:12 ◼   ► the key that motion is still you know [TS]

00:00:15 ◼   ► it's the thing you know it's even better [TS]

00:00:17 ◼   ► than that [TS]

00:00:17 ◼   ► get in push the gas yeah yeah I'm sure [TS]

00:00:21 ◼   ► Jeff loves it when you just get out of [TS]

00:00:22 ◼   ► her car and leave it rolling down the [TS]

00:00:23 ◼   ► Drive running and unlocked all the [TS]

00:00:30 ◼   ► windows open air conditioning on radio [TS]

00:00:33 ◼   ► blaring you're probably serious I bet [TS]

00:00:36 ◼   ► this is happen at least once I I have [TS]

00:00:38 ◼   ► not left it like in year rolling but I [TS]

00:00:40 ◼   ► have left his car running and unlocked [TS]

00:00:42 ◼   ► [Laughter] [TS]

00:00:49 ◼   ► all right so let's let's start the show [TS]

00:00:52 ◼   ► in we'll start with some neutral [TS]

00:00:54 ◼   ► follow-up apparently people pay [TS]

00:00:57 ◼   ► attention to racing cars and people pay [TS]

00:01:00 ◼   ► attention to Formula One I'm not really [TS]

00:01:02 ◼   ► clear why and apparently pleaseplease [TS]

00:01:05 ◼   ► right Marco [TS]

00:01:07 ◼   ► apparently ever pretty much every racing [TS]

00:01:10 ◼   ► car has its paddles on the wheel [TS]

00:01:12 ◼   ► I was lamenting last week that the Alfa [TS]

00:01:15 ◼   ► Romeo had its paddles on the column [TS]

00:01:16 ◼   ► which I've heard other like car [TS]

00:01:19 ◼   ► reviewers and in people like that say oh [TS]

00:01:21 ◼   ► it always has to be on the column but I [TS]

00:01:23 ◼   ► don't really understand why cuz I didn't [TS]

00:01:25 ◼   ► like it that way and I and I had at the [TS]

00:01:27 ◼   ► same time a BMW loner and f30 loner and [TS]

00:01:31 ◼   ► that had the the paddles on the on the [TS]

00:01:33 ◼   ► wheel and I much preferred that so [TS]

00:01:36 ◼   ► anyway so a lot of people wrote in to [TS]

00:01:38 ◼   ► say pretty much every racing car has the [TS]

00:01:40 ◼   ► paddles on the wheel you were right [TS]

00:01:41 ◼   ► that's where it should be and somebody [TS]

00:01:44 ◼   ► and I don't I don't remember who this [TS]

00:01:46 ◼   ► was I apologize but somebody said to me [TS]

00:01:47 ◼   ► and this is just a theory but I mean it [TS]

00:01:49 ◼   ► makes sense to me maybe it's less of a [TS]

00:01:51 ◼   ► big deal for racecar drivers because [TS]

00:01:52 ◼   ► their wheels don't typically do like an [TS]

00:01:55 ◼   ► entire revolution if you think about it [TS]

00:01:57 ◼   ► they're typically you know doing maybe a [TS]

00:01:58 ◼   ► 30 or 60 or maybe a 90-degree turn but [TS]

00:02:01 ◼   ► but I would assume not often not much [TS]

00:02:03 ◼   ► more than that if I'm wrong I don't [TS]

00:02:06 ◼   ► really care I was just just a thought [TS]

00:02:08 ◼   ► exercise so no big deal but I just [TS]

00:02:11 ◼   ► thought I'd cover that really quickly I [TS]

00:02:12 ◼   ► did [TS]

00:02:13 ◼   ► responses related this were due to me [TS]

00:02:16 ◼   ► musing about what f1 cars might be [TS]

00:02:17 ◼   ► knowing nothing about f1 and I had a [TS]

00:02:19 ◼   ► brain fart there that was my bad I was [TS]

00:02:20 ◼   ► like oh f1 cars they don't they don't [TS]

00:02:22 ◼   ► even use pedals cuz they got all those [TS]

00:02:24 ◼   ► buttons on the steering wheel and while [TS]

00:02:25 ◼   ► there is a very often a button to shift [TS]

00:02:27 ◼   ► into neutral [TS]

00:02:28 ◼   ► they still use paddles for everything so [TS]

00:02:30 ◼   ► never mind on that I did have to give [TS]

00:02:34 ◼   ► the alpha-male back I was very very sad [TS]

00:02:35 ◼   ► it pulled away in and I wept [TS]

00:02:38 ◼   ► not really but I was sad and now I'm [TS]

00:02:41 ◼   ► back to my my BMW life is rough I tell [TS]

00:02:44 ◼   ► you god I sound like such an intolerable [TS]

00:02:45 ◼   ► piece of crap alright moving on [TS]

00:02:47 ◼   ► let's toad actually it's getting no [TS]

00:02:49 ◼   ► better as it turns out let's talk about [TS]

00:02:50 ◼   ► our iPhone orders and our [TS]

00:02:52 ◼   ► thousand-dollar phones I quit this is [TS]

00:02:54 ◼   ► just going nowhere good so I think one [TS]

00:02:57 ◼   ► of the biggest things that we have [TS]

00:02:59 ◼   ► learned in this entire iPhone 10 cycle [TS]

00:03:02 ◼   ► is that the rumor mill is completely [TS]

00:03:06 ◼   ► full of shit now like it's complete bull [TS]

00:03:10 ◼   ► all of it it's heard out so much of it [TS]

00:03:13 ◼   ► was complete bull yeah [TS]

00:03:16 ◼   ► and we were and we were complicit or at [TS]

00:03:18 ◼   ► least speak for myself I was complicit [TS]

00:03:20 ◼   ► in it because I was I was probably the [TS]

00:03:22 ◼   ► most worried to the three of us about [TS]

00:03:24 ◼   ► not getting a phone until 2020 and I was [TS]

00:03:27 ◼   ► freaking out about it for no reason well [TS]

00:03:29 ◼   ► as well as it turns out spoiler alert [TS]

00:03:31 ◼   ► now we're he's in but but yeah I was [TS]

00:03:34 ◼   ► just as deep in this as anyone else if [TS]

00:03:36 ◼   ► not more so and I don't know I was [TS]

00:03:38 ◼   ► trying to like do a retrospective which [TS]

00:03:40 ◼   ► is a word that you don't really [TS]

00:03:41 ◼   ► understand Marco but John will I was [TS]

00:03:44 ◼   ► trying to have my own little one-man [TS]

00:03:45 ◼   ► retro meeting I believe it's called a [TS]

00:03:47 ◼   ► post-mortem in the parking lot yeah [TS]

00:03:49 ◼   ► exactly right yeah so you do know so [TS]

00:03:51 ◼   ► anyway so I was I was tossing things [TS]

00:03:53 ◼   ► into the parking lot I was as I was [TS]

00:03:55 ◼   ► having my one-person retro and I don't [TS]

00:03:58 ◼   ► really know specifically where this [TS]

00:04:01 ◼   ► notion came from I mean I was one of the [TS]

00:04:03 ◼   ► ones parroting it so I'm guilty I am a [TS]

00:04:05 ◼   ► hundred and fifty percent guilty but [TS]

00:04:07 ◼   ► where did we all get it in our brains [TS]

00:04:09 ◼   ► this is not just the three of us this is [TS]

00:04:11 ◼   ► the Royal us where did all the talking [TS]

00:04:13 ◼   ► heads get it in their brains that it was [TS]

00:04:16 ◼   ► going to be this bad like Meredith [TS]

00:04:18 ◼   ► discomfort the phone the phone is supply [TS]

00:04:20 ◼   ► constrained and people had guesses about [TS]

00:04:22 ◼   ► how many they were going to make and [TS]

00:04:23 ◼   ► there [TS]

00:04:24 ◼   ► stories about parts shortages so that's [TS]

00:04:27 ◼   ► that's what it was it is like oh they [TS]

00:04:28 ◼   ► can't make enough of those 3d dot [TS]

00:04:29 ◼   ► thingies and supposedly they lowered [TS]

00:04:31 ◼   ► their standards for the dot thing used [TS]

00:04:33 ◼   ► to make more of them but then Apple said [TS]

00:04:35 ◼   ► no we didn't do that that's BS I mean at [TS]

00:04:37 ◼   ► this point fast few cycles you have to [TS]

00:04:39 ◼   ► imagine that a lot of those stories [TS]

00:04:41 ◼   ► about apples manufacturing problems and [TS]

00:04:44 ◼   ► blah blah blah are things motivated or [TS]

00:04:48 ◼   ► not planted by competitors but like that [TS]

00:04:51 ◼   ► they're they're motivated stories that [TS]

00:04:53 ◼   ► somebody wants to put that information [TS]

00:04:55 ◼   ► out there to sow doubt into Apple [TS]

00:04:58 ◼   ► situation now they you know they don't [TS]

00:05:01 ◼   ► have enough iPhone tends to go around [TS]

00:05:03 ◼   ► just like they don't have enough of many [TS]

00:05:04 ◼   ► then you have an iPhone you know sevens [TS]

00:05:07 ◼   ► to go around certainly another jet-black [TS]

00:05:08 ◼   ► ladies always shortages all right it's [TS]

00:05:11 ◼   ► very difficult to tell until Apple [TS]

00:05:12 ◼   ► starts reporting numbers exactly how big [TS]

00:05:14 ◼   ► this shortage was but last show oh you [TS]

00:05:17 ◼   ► know we were talking about was will we [TS]

00:05:19 ◼   ► be able to get our phones forget about [TS]

00:05:21 ◼   ► how many Apple cells and so and so [TS]

00:05:22 ◼   ► although we did touching that briefly [TS]

00:05:23 ◼   ► and but everything was just estimates [TS]

00:05:25 ◼   ► like that one newspaper whatever said [TS]

00:05:27 ◼   ► they it looks like they're gonna have [TS]

00:05:29 ◼   ► four times fewer phones in previous [TS]

00:05:34 ◼   ► years but we'll find out when Apple [TS]

00:05:35 ◼   ► reports how many iPhones did they sell [TS]

00:05:37 ◼   ► between launch and the end of the year [TS]

00:05:39 ◼   ► although they have a fiscal year I don't [TS]

00:05:41 ◼   ► know how this all works but anyway we'll [TS]

00:05:42 ◼   ► find out and it could be that the [TS]

00:05:45 ◼   ► numbers are dead-on really they sold 1/4 [TS]

00:05:48 ◼   ► as many as they did last year but that's [TS]

00:05:51 ◼   ► not what we're talking about here what [TS]

00:05:52 ◼   ► we're talking about here is we were all [TS]

00:05:53 ◼   ► staying up to 3m to otter phones and [TS]

00:05:55 ◼   ► some of us were very very pessimistic [TS]

00:05:56 ◼   ► about getting a phone anytime soon so [TS]

00:05:59 ◼   ► how did it go for everybody assuming we [TS]

00:06:02 ◼   ► all stayed up I think it's pretty safe [TS]

00:06:05 ◼   ► to say that Marco and I did and since [TS]

00:06:07 ◼   ► I've got the mic I will say that I [TS]

00:06:09 ◼   ► stayed up my experience was slightly [TS]

00:06:12 ◼   ► worse than the watch than the LTE watch [TS]

00:06:14 ◼   ► my experience with the LTE watch was [TS]

00:06:16 ◼   ► stunningly good it was the the Apple [TS]

00:06:18 ◼   ► Store app was live at 301 or something [TS]

00:06:20 ◼   ► like that I was in and out in no time in [TS]

00:06:23 ◼   ► this in this instance it was typical [TS]

00:06:25 ◼   ► Apple which is to say five to ten [TS]

00:06:27 ◼   ► minutes late now in the defense of Apple [TS]

00:06:30 ◼   ► maybe that's a aggregation issue or [TS]

00:06:34 ◼   ► something to do with CD enzyme now [TS]

00:06:36 ◼   ► side of my my comfort zone but one way [TS]

00:06:38 ◼   ► or another it was like 305 ish that [TS]

00:06:41 ◼   ► everything woke up I did use the Apple [TS]

00:06:43 ◼   ► store app and surprisingly I heard a [TS]

00:06:45 ◼   ► fair bit of reports from like Twitter [TS]

00:06:48 ◼   ► and whatnot that the Apple store app was [TS]

00:06:49 ◼   ► not the pretty much flawless experience [TS]

00:06:51 ◼   ► for everyone that it had been for the [TS]

00:06:53 ◼   ► last few years I had a few people say [TS]

00:06:55 ◼   ► that they actually had better lock on on [TS]

00:06:57 ◼   ► the website which is stunning because [TS]

00:06:59 ◼   ► anytime I've tried that it's been a [TS]

00:07:00 ◼   ► disaster but anyway about 3:05 I ordered [TS]

00:07:03 ◼   ► my phone and then I I rolled over and [TS]

00:07:06 ◼   ► ordered Aaron's phone and got both of [TS]

00:07:09 ◼   ► them and they should be here Friday so [TS]

00:07:11 ◼   ► it worked out really really well for me [TS]

00:07:13 ◼   ► to a degree that I did not expect I did [TS]

00:07:16 ◼   ► choose to ship to home I was thinking [TS]

00:07:18 ◼   ► about doing a store pickup which I've [TS]

00:07:21 ◼   ► never done before and I know would get [TS]

00:07:23 ◼   ► me my phone earlier in the day because [TS]

00:07:24 ◼   ► typically EPS doesn't get to us until [TS]

00:07:26 ◼   ► like 5:00 or 6:00 at night on iPhone day [TS]

00:07:28 ◼   ► but I was scared that just going through [TS]

00:07:30 ◼   ► that whole process especially when I'm [TS]

00:07:32 ◼   ► unfamiliar with it would would slow me [TS]

00:07:34 ◼   ► down too much [TS]

00:07:35 ◼   ► and I would lose my chance so both of [TS]

00:07:37 ◼   ► them will be delivered to the house [TS]

00:07:38 ◼   ► sometime Friday so I'm working from home [TS]

00:07:41 ◼   ► Friday if you happen to be listening to [TS]

00:07:42 ◼   ► this from my job I will be here I will [TS]

00:07:45 ◼   ► be here at the house making sure that I [TS]

00:07:46 ◼   ► know I'm sick Marco how did how did it [TS]

00:07:53 ◼   ► fare for you pretty similar I used the [TS]

00:07:56 ◼   ► app as usual the app didn't come up for [TS]

00:07:58 ◼   ► me until like you know 3:05 or 306 like [TS]

00:08:01 ◼   ► it was wait and like I was in some [TS]

00:08:03 ◼   ► slacks where like some people are [TS]

00:08:04 ◼   ► already completing the entire orders and [TS]

00:08:06 ◼   ► reporting back what their dates were [TS]

00:08:07 ◼   ► when they completed the order before my [TS]

00:08:09 ◼   ► store was even up mmm but that happens [TS]

00:08:11 ◼   ► all the time I mean the Apple ordering [TS]

00:08:13 ◼   ► process with the iPhones has gotten [TS]

00:08:15 ◼   ► really really good with just that one [TS]

00:08:18 ◼   ► exception the only part about it that [TS]

00:08:20 ◼   ► really feels unfair is that there's a [TS]

00:08:24 ◼   ► huge variance in when people's stores [TS]

00:08:27 ◼   ► come up and it could be like 15 minutes [TS]

00:08:29 ◼   ► apart like it's a big variance and so [TS]

00:08:32 ◼   ► some people said they saw the store like [TS]

00:08:33 ◼   ► at 2:58 so and some people didn't see [TS]

00:08:36 ◼   ► the store until 3:10 and like it's a [TS]

00:08:38 ◼   ► huge range usually I fall on the on the [TS]

00:08:41 ◼   ► worst side of this rings like usually [TS]

00:08:43 ◼   ► for me it's it's somewhere around like [TS]

00:08:45 ◼   ► five five or six minutes after the hour [TS]

00:08:46 ◼   ► and you can try like alternating between [TS]

00:08:49 ◼   ► cell [TS]

00:08:50 ◼   ► and Wi-Fi to be on different networks [TS]

00:08:53 ◼   ► some people suggested even trying the [TS]

00:08:55 ◼   ► VPN I didn't get that far into it I [TS]

00:08:56 ◼   ► didn't think about it at 3:00 in the [TS]

00:08:58 ◼   ► morning [TS]

00:08:59 ◼   ► surprisingly I don't but like you know [TS]

00:09:01 ◼   ► the it just seems like it's a total [TS]

00:09:04 ◼   ► crapshoot when your store will come up [TS]

00:09:06 ◼   ► and that makes a pretty big difference [TS]

00:09:08 ◼   ► in whether you get one on day one or not [TS]

00:09:10 ◼   ► usually like if you're if yours comes up [TS]

00:09:12 ◼   ► at 3:07 you're probably not getting day [TS]

00:09:15 ◼   ► one delivery on most high-profile [TS]

00:09:17 ◼   ► projects in parks you know the same [TS]

00:09:19 ◼   ► thing happen with the watch you know [TS]

00:09:20 ◼   ► like any kind of high profile through AM [TS]

00:09:23 ◼   ► Apple longs usually this is a problem [TS]

00:09:24 ◼   ► jet black phone same problem you know so [TS]

00:09:26 ◼   ► like the whole rest of the system feels [TS]

00:09:28 ◼   ► very good and very fair and it has [TS]

00:09:30 ◼   ► dramatically improved over the last few [TS]

00:09:32 ◼   ► years and it's just that one piece that [TS]

00:09:34 ◼   ► feels like if you're on the batter that [TS]

00:09:37 ◼   ► it feels like you're getting screwed for [TS]

00:09:38 ◼   ► no reason so I hope Apple can figure out [TS]

00:09:40 ◼   ► a way to improve that you know i I've [TS]

00:09:43 ◼   ► never done anything on their scale [TS]

00:09:44 ◼   ► before but I haves on high scale things [TS]

00:09:47 ◼   ► it is possible to make everything go up [TS]

00:09:49 ◼   ► at you know and almost exactly the same [TS]

00:09:51 ◼   ► time like that is a thing that can [TS]

00:09:53 ◼   ► happen on the internet it's not easy but [TS]

00:09:55 ◼   ► it's pop so like if they prioritize that [TS]

00:09:59 ◼   ► maybe they don't realize how annoying [TS]

00:10:00 ◼   ► this is but I hope someone I hope [TS]

00:10:03 ◼   ► whoever at Apple cares a lot about these [TS]

00:10:04 ◼   ► things about getting these right about [TS]

00:10:06 ◼   ► building in systems like the thing where [TS]

00:10:08 ◼   ► if it can't kind of the carrier it like [TS]

00:10:10 ◼   ► reserves it for you and emails you again [TS]

00:10:11 ◼   ► like tomorrow like a lot of thought has [TS]

00:10:14 ◼   ► gone into that system and for the most [TS]

00:10:16 ◼   ► part it's great and there's just this [TS]

00:10:17 ◼   ► one big glaring problem with it that I [TS]

00:10:20 ◼   ► hope they can figure out a way to fix or [TS]

00:10:21 ◼   ► at least let's reduce that variance and [TS]

00:10:24 ◼   ► CDN availability so that like maybe [TS]

00:10:26 ◼   ► every one store comes up in the same one [TS]

00:10:27 ◼   ► minute instead of the same 15 minutes [TS]

00:10:29 ◼   ► that's the only thing about the system [TS]

00:10:30 ◼   ► that feels unfair a lot of its [TS]

00:10:32 ◼   ► competitive a lot of its cutthroat but [TS]

00:10:34 ◼   ► all of it feels fair except that yeah I [TS]

00:10:37 ◼   ► would agree with that I can't think of a [TS]

00:10:40 ◼   ► any particular way that they could do [TS]

00:10:43 ◼   ► better with it I mean I guess maybe a [TS]

00:10:47 ◼   ► lottery but I think just like we [TS]

00:10:50 ◼   ► lamented when when wEDC went to a [TS]

00:10:52 ◼   ► lottery I think there's something to be [TS]

00:10:54 ◼   ► said for having the dedication to wake [TS]

00:10:58 ◼   ► up at 3:00 in the morning if you're on [TS]

00:10:59 ◼   ► the East Coast to actually in [TS]

00:11:00 ◼   ► sure that you get one you know initially [TS]

00:11:02 ◼   ► in the same way it rewarded you WDC [TS]

00:11:05 ◼   ► rewarded the people who had like seven [TS]

00:11:07 ◼   ► different notification strategies in [TS]

00:11:09 ◼   ► order to know when tickets went on sale [TS]

00:11:11 ◼   ► and and maybe maybe a more fair answer [TS]

00:11:14 ◼   ► would be a lottery but in if not that I [TS]

00:11:16 ◼   ► think you're right that this is as fair [TS]

00:11:18 ◼   ► as it can get with the CDN propagation [TS]

00:11:21 ◼   ► issues notwithstanding and and the thing [TS]

00:11:23 ◼   ► is like a lottery like a few blows you [TS]

00:11:25 ◼   ► guys to that I think there it's such a [TS]

00:11:27 ◼   ► more complicated thing than WC tickets [TS]

00:11:29 ◼   ► like first of all you're talking about [TS]

00:11:30 ◼   ► like allocating five thousand conference [TS]

00:11:33 ◼   ► tickets versus ten million phones [TS]

00:11:35 ◼   ► there's a pretty big difference in scale [TS]

00:11:37 ◼   ► yeah and and of course the phones are [TS]

00:11:39 ◼   ► tied to carrier things and have to be [TS]

00:11:41 ◼   ► checked out with carrier they're like so [TS]

00:11:42 ◼   ► the phones are way more complicated than [TS]

00:11:44 ◼   ► WTC and there's way more of them so the [TS]

00:11:47 ◼   ► same system doesn't necessarily apply [TS]

00:11:49 ◼   ► again I think I did insist may have I [TS]

00:11:51 ◼   ► agree with you I think it's fine they [TS]

00:11:52 ◼   ► just need to fix that one thing anyway [TS]

00:11:54 ◼   ► so all that being said I did wake up at [TS]

00:11:57 ◼   ► three in the morning I did place an [TS]

00:11:59 ◼   ► order successfully for my iPhone ten on [TS]

00:12:01 ◼   ► day one delivery I didn't do store pick [TS]

00:12:03 ◼   ► up just a delivery store pick up is fine [TS]

00:12:06 ◼   ► but you still have to wait in such a [TS]

00:12:08 ◼   ► long line for pickup on day one like if [TS]

00:12:11 ◼   ► if you're not day one and you do pick up [TS]

00:12:13 ◼   ► at the store it's much faster you know [TS]

00:12:14 ◼   ► there's basically no line or a very [TS]

00:12:16 ◼   ► short one but on day one you're waiting [TS]

00:12:18 ◼   ► on line just like everyone else you're [TS]

00:12:20 ◼   ► just waiting on like a different roped [TS]

00:12:21 ◼   ► off section of the line they if you if [TS]

00:12:23 ◼   ► you have reservation but you're still [TS]

00:12:25 ◼   ► gonna be there for like two hours yeah [TS]

00:12:26 ◼   ► so I'm looking forward to anyway just to [TS]

00:12:29 ◼   ► conclude the rumor mill thing before we [TS]

00:12:30 ◼   ► leave this topic in general the rumor [TS]

00:12:32 ◼   ► mill has gotten so much wrong since [TS]

00:12:36 ◼   ► about a year ago or so when there was a [TS]

00:12:40 ◼   ► rumor going around that one of Mark [TS]

00:12:42 ◼   ► durman's big sources was like escorted [TS]

00:12:44 ◼   ► out of campus very publicly I don't know [TS]

00:12:47 ◼   ► if that was true or not [TS]

00:12:48 ◼   ► but it certainly does seem like there's [TS]

00:12:51 ◼   ► not a lot of not a lot of leaks out of [TS]

00:12:53 ◼   ► Apple anymore and the by far the most [TS]

00:12:57 ◼   ► credible information we got about the [TS]

00:12:59 ◼   ► iPhone 10 leaked out of Apple itself you [TS]

00:13:02 ◼   ► know in in there too software of leaks [TS]

00:13:04 ◼   ► it didn't leak out of anywhere else like [TS]

00:13:06 ◼   ► the the rumor mill was basically you [TS]

00:13:10 ◼   ► know empty they all they were doing for [TS]

00:13:12 ◼   ► the most part was reporting on what [TS]

00:13:13 ◼   ► Apple accidentally [TS]

00:13:15 ◼   ► almost everything else they've reported [TS]

00:13:17 ◼   ► ended up being BS like now you know as [TS]

00:13:19 ◼   ► we're getting more information about the [TS]

00:13:22 ◼   ► phone people are using the foam we're [TS]

00:13:23 ◼   ► hearing more from Apple executives like [TS]

00:13:25 ◼   ► on the record stories and stuff it [TS]

00:13:27 ◼   ► certainly seems like the entire like [TS]

00:13:28 ◼   ► touch ID under the glass thing was [TS]

00:13:30 ◼   ► completely false that there are now [TS]

00:13:32 ◼   ► multiply Apple executives directly [TS]

00:13:33 ◼   ► stating that in interviews and I'm [TS]

00:13:35 ◼   ► inclined I'm inclined to believe them I [TS]

00:13:36 ◼   ► don't think they would lie about that [TS]

00:13:38 ◼   ► kind of thing I think it you know it [TS]

00:13:39 ◼   ► wouldn't serve a menorah lie about that [TS]

00:13:40 ◼   ► we're now hearing things like you know [TS]

00:13:42 ◼   ► that like the like face ID having issues [TS]

00:13:45 ◼   ► and everything those are probably BS to [TS]

00:13:47 ◼   ► the component thing and having [TS]

00:13:48 ◼   ► adjustments Apple directly called that [TS]

00:13:50 ◼   ► out and deny it which they never do for [TS]

00:13:53 ◼   ► things like that like that's [TS]

00:13:54 ◼   ► unprecedented you know for the most part [TS]

00:13:56 ◼   ► so that also I'm inclined to believe [TS]

00:13:57 ◼   ► because they so rarely ever comment on [TS]

00:14:00 ◼   ► things like that publicly it's like that [TS]

00:14:02 ◼   ► was probably BS it seems like anything [TS]

00:14:04 ◼   ► that was about supply being super short [TS]

00:14:08 ◼   ► was probably BS to because here's the [TS]

00:14:11 ◼   ► thing right now [TS]

00:14:12 ◼   ► so we every one us other podcasters Tech [TS]

00:14:15 ◼   ► Park iPhones the rumor sites we were all [TS]

00:14:17 ◼   ► expecting this to be a massive backorder [TS]

00:14:20 ◼   ► situation we were saying on the show [TS]

00:14:22 ◼   ► like you know 2018 isn't that far away [TS]

00:14:24 ◼   ► we were all saying like we would be [TS]

00:14:26 ◼   ► lucky to get it you know waking up at [TS]

00:14:29 ◼   ► 3:00 a.m. [TS]

00:14:29 ◼   ► we'd be lucky to get it by December and [TS]

00:14:32 ◼   ► then you know it won't be too long [TS]

00:14:34 ◼   ► before it's 2018 well guess what right [TS]

00:14:36 ◼   ► now today as we record almost a week [TS]

00:14:38 ◼   ► later the latest estimates say five to [TS]

00:14:41 ◼   ► six weeks [TS]

00:14:42 ◼   ► that's mid-december a week later you can [TS]

00:14:45 ◼   ► still order it and have it come this [TS]

00:14:46 ◼   ► year because then this here's almost [TS]

00:14:48 ◼   ► over it's like that's pretty good so one [TS]

00:14:52 ◼   ► of two things is true either there is [TS]

00:14:55 ◼   ► way less demand for this phone than [TS]

00:14:57 ◼   ► anybody thought which i think is pretty [TS]

00:14:58 ◼   ► unlikely or most of those reports about [TS]

00:15:02 ◼   ► there being incredibly short supplies [TS]

00:15:04 ◼   ► and everything are wrong so and that's [TS]

00:15:06 ◼   ► just adds even more to the pile of [TS]

00:15:09 ◼   ► rumors that were wrong about the iPhone [TS]

00:15:11 ◼   ► 10 like we heard so many everything [TS]

00:15:14 ◼   ► about the software we heard was wrong [TS]

00:15:15 ◼   ► like everything about the home indicator [TS]

00:15:18 ◼   ► situation the home gesture that was all [TS]

00:15:20 ◼   ► wrong like we heard so much wrong stuff [TS]

00:15:23 ◼   ► about the iPhone 10 that it really this [TS]

00:15:26 ◼   ► is [TS]

00:15:27 ◼   ► this has been a bad year for the Apple [TS]

00:15:29 ◼   ► rumor game and in some ways to kind of [TS]

00:15:32 ◼   ► like you know good riddance it was [TS]

00:15:33 ◼   ► getting a little bit too good it was [TS]

00:15:35 ◼   ► good it was certainly like a little too [TS]

00:15:37 ◼   ► spoilery on a lot of the new products [TS]

00:15:39 ◼   ► you know I'm saying this here not only [TS]

00:15:43 ◼   ► to call them out but also to kind of [TS]

00:15:46 ◼   ► have to kind of help the world help me [TS]

00:15:48 ◼   ► remind myself when I get caught up in [TS]

00:15:51 ◼   ► talking about these rumors cuz I - like [TS]

00:15:52 ◼   ► you said Casey I - have been totally [TS]

00:15:54 ◼   ► complicit in discussing these rumors as [TS]

00:15:56 ◼   ► if they were almost a sure thing or if [TS]

00:15:57 ◼   ► they were sure thing because for so long [TS]

00:15:58 ◼   ► the rumors were that good like for for [TS]

00:16:01 ◼   ► so long in like the heyday of mark [TS]

00:16:03 ◼   ► Berman like two years ago they actually [TS]

00:16:06 ◼   ► like they were getting every detail of [TS]

00:16:08 ◼   ► every product like it they were nailing [TS]

00:16:10 ◼   ► so much before before the release it was [TS]

00:16:13 ◼   ► it was actually really unfun it was like [TS]

00:16:16 ◼   ► it was kind of fun to be a commentator [TS]

00:16:17 ◼   ► but it was unfun to like watch the [TS]

00:16:19 ◼   ► events and just see them unveil the [TS]

00:16:21 ◼   ► things that you already knew about like [TS]

00:16:22 ◼   ► two months ago in great detail no less [TS]

00:16:24 ◼   ► but we all all of us commentators and [TS]

00:16:27 ◼   ► Apple fans and readers of these sites [TS]

00:16:30 ◼   ► and and followers of the Apple news we [TS]

00:16:32 ◼   ► all have to now readjust from that time [TS]

00:16:35 ◼   ► that now we have to probably assume that [TS]

00:16:39 ◼   ► most of the rumors that we're hearing [TS]

00:16:40 ◼   ► are wrong rather than assuming that [TS]

00:16:42 ◼   ► they're right and then figuring out [TS]

00:16:44 ◼   ► later than some of them are wrong let me [TS]

00:16:45 ◼   ► do the opposite of helping you Mark Owen [TS]

00:16:47 ◼   ► said once again that I generally [TS]

00:16:49 ◼   ► disagree with your assessment that the [TS]

00:16:50 ◼   ► rumor mill was off before apples leaks [TS]

00:16:53 ◼   ► we knew all screen oled phone with face [TS]

00:16:58 ◼   ► ID face ID leaked face ID leaks so early [TS]

00:17:02 ◼   ► before any software leaks and yes there [TS]

00:17:04 ◼   ► were tons of reports about details that [TS]

00:17:06 ◼   ► were wrong and yes apples exec said you [TS]

00:17:09 ◼   ► know we committed to face ID and we [TS]

00:17:11 ◼   ► never really spent any time trying to do [TS]

00:17:12 ◼   ► under the screen or side things and [TS]

00:17:14 ◼   ► stuff like that that's you know that's [TS]

00:17:15 ◼   ► all well and good right but there's [TS]

00:17:17 ◼   ► always a certain amount of noise so even [TS]

00:17:18 ◼   ► before Apple software leaks which were [TS]

00:17:20 ◼   ► massive and gave us huge amounts of [TS]

00:17:22 ◼   ► totally verified real Zee real [TS]

00:17:24 ◼   ► information even before that we knew [TS]

00:17:27 ◼   ► almost everything about this phone what [TS]

00:17:29 ◼   ► it looked like the shape the size down [TS]

00:17:31 ◼   ► to the millimeter the orientation of the [TS]

00:17:32 ◼   ► cameras how many cameras there would be [TS]

00:17:34 ◼   ► the fact that it would be all screen the [TS]

00:17:35 ◼   ► fact that the scream was OLED the fact [TS]

00:17:36 ◼   ► that it would detect your face that's [TS]

00:17:37 ◼   ► how you are unlock it everything else is [TS]

00:17:39 ◼   ► details [TS]

00:17:40 ◼   ► I think the still for these phone [TS]

00:17:42 ◼   ► products it is impossible so far for [TS]

00:17:45 ◼   ► Apple to actually keep anything like [TS]

00:17:46 ◼   ► this secret there was a lot of BS and [TS]

00:17:49 ◼   ► misinformation especially the stories [TS]

00:17:51 ◼   ► and we've said this at the time we were [TS]

00:17:52 ◼   ► discussing them really like apples [TS]

00:17:54 ◼   ► considering like you know using whether [TS]

00:17:56 ◼   ► it's going to have face ID under there [TS]

00:17:58 ◼   ► it was like a month before or it was [TS]

00:18:00 ◼   ► have touch ID on the screen it was like [TS]

00:18:01 ◼   ► a month before the an intro announcement [TS]

00:18:03 ◼   ► it's like they're like displaced in time [TS]

00:18:05 ◼   ► where maybe this was true a year and a [TS]

00:18:07 ◼   ► half ago we're just hearing about it now [TS]

00:18:09 ◼   ► but always the the rumors especially on [TS]

00:18:11 ◼   ► a lot of the rumor sites are phrased as [TS]

00:18:14 ◼   ► if it's happening now and it's [TS]

00:18:15 ◼   ► nonsensical like I mean who was it uh [TS]

00:18:17 ◼   ► Danis is named and rekey Oh what patent [TS]

00:18:20 ◼   ► I don't pronounce his name something [TS]

00:18:21 ◼   ► like that I'm pretty sure you're right [TS]

00:18:22 ◼   ► on the Dan part it's Ritchie oh I think [TS]

00:18:24 ◼   ► yeah some yeah one of apples people was [TS]

00:18:28 ◼   ► it was an oppressed thing and they said [TS]

00:18:29 ◼   ► he said that they had locked the design [TS]

00:18:31 ◼   ► for the iPhone 10 in November that's [TS]

00:18:33 ◼   ► November of last year right now today [TS]

00:18:38 ◼   ► yeah they'd locked it a year ago right [TS]

00:18:40 ◼   ► and yet there were rumors stories like [TS]

00:18:42 ◼   ► two months ago that Apple is debating [TS]

00:18:44 ◼   ► what should do with face ID versus touch [TS]

00:18:46 ◼   ► ID under the screen and know what do you [TS]

00:18:48 ◼   ► know they're not like I mean that we [TS]

00:18:50 ◼   ► said we knew those were BS at the time [TS]

00:18:52 ◼   ► but I still think that the combination [TS]

00:18:54 ◼   ► of the rumor mill knowing so much about [TS]

00:18:56 ◼   ► this phone before any leaks and then the [TS]

00:18:58 ◼   ► leaks basically putting highlighter over [TS]

00:19:01 ◼   ► the details that are right and sort of [TS]

00:19:03 ◼   ► Xing out the ones that are wrong means [TS]

00:19:05 ◼   ► that we still more or less knew what was [TS]

00:19:07 ◼   ► getting introduced and now I'm you know [TS]

00:19:09 ◼   ► one way I kind of like being surprised [TS]

00:19:11 ◼   ► but also kind of like you're in detail [TS]

00:19:12 ◼   ► so I could go either way but just [TS]

00:19:15 ◼   ► because the rumors especially motivated [TS]

00:19:17 ◼   ► rumors like Oh apples having [TS]

00:19:18 ◼   ► manufacturing problems Oh fear [TS]

00:19:20 ◼   ► uncertainty and doubt especially since [TS]

00:19:22 ◼   ► things like that there's reasons for [TS]

00:19:24 ◼   ► them to exist and they're gonna be wrong [TS]

00:19:26 ◼   ► we're in a while I don't think that's [TS]

00:19:27 ◼   ► that big of a deal and okay I I don't [TS]

00:19:30 ◼   ► know I'm I'm not adjusting my attitude [TS]

00:19:32 ◼   ► towards rumors because I don't mind is a [TS]

00:19:35 ◼   ► bunch of BS noise mixed in with the real [TS]

00:19:37 ◼   ► information and I still think there's a [TS]

00:19:39 ◼   ► ton more real information than we used [TS]

00:19:41 ◼   ► to have about things because this Apple [TS]

00:19:43 ◼   ► makes too many of these phones supply [TS]

00:19:44 ◼   ► chain is too leaky and we're just gonna [TS]

00:19:47 ◼   ► have to accept that we're more or less [TS]

00:19:49 ◼   ► going to know what the next phone is [TS]

00:19:51 ◼   ► going to be like and that all we have to [TS]

00:19:53 ◼   ► worry about of the detail [TS]

00:19:54 ◼   ► and then it sometimes like a few weeks [TS]

00:19:56 ◼   ► before intro Apple tells so detailed [TS]

00:19:58 ◼   ► accidentally by releasing about just [TS]

00:19:59 ◼   ► software no I mean I think you know we [TS]

00:20:02 ◼   ► did hear a lot of rumors that ended up [TS]

00:20:04 ◼   ► being true but the thing but like with [TS]

00:20:06 ◼   ► the rumor mill like the challenge is [TS]

00:20:07 ◼   ► always like knowing what parts of this [TS]

00:20:10 ◼   ► are actually likely to be real or not [TS]

00:20:11 ◼   ► and usually like you know during the [TS]

00:20:14 ◼   ► really good days of the rumor mills like [TS]

00:20:16 ◼   ► two years ago you could be sure almost [TS]

00:20:19 ◼   ► everything they said was was actually [TS]

00:20:20 ◼   ► true but until apple's software leaks we [TS]

00:20:24 ◼   ► didn't know whether the products would [TS]

00:20:27 ◼   ► be like possibility a B C or D or many [TS]

00:20:30 ◼   ► of the details but we knew exactly what [TS]

00:20:32 ◼   ► it would look we'd said well not I mean [TS]

00:20:34 ◼   ► like I save some of the images of like [TS]

00:20:37 ◼   ► like down to the millimeter you know [TS]

00:20:40 ◼   ► when people were selling cases for it we [TS]

00:20:42 ◼   ► knew what this thing would look like [TS]

00:20:43 ◼   ► they were still questions like I can't [TS]

00:20:44 ◼   ► tell if it's tied into that screen can [TS]

00:20:46 ◼   ► you right and same with the face ID like [TS]

00:20:48 ◼   ► that rumor was really long it took a [TS]

00:20:50 ◼   ► really long time of coming but didn't [TS]

00:20:51 ◼   ► really get confirmed until much later I [TS]

00:20:55 ◼   ► but what I'm saying it's like you know [TS]

00:20:58 ◼   ► is this the next iPhone and they'd show [TS]

00:21:00 ◼   ► you some 3d render yeah that was that [TS]

00:21:01 ◼   ► was the next iPhone and we knew it a [TS]

00:21:03 ◼   ► long long time ago will it recognize [TS]

00:21:05 ◼   ► your face that was the only credible [TS]

00:21:06 ◼   ► rumor we had other than various other [TS]

00:21:08 ◼   ► places to put touch ID and so that was [TS]

00:21:10 ◼   ► the only debate it's like Oh surely [TS]

00:21:12 ◼   ► it'll do the face thing but is it gonna [TS]

00:21:13 ◼   ► have touch ID at all anymore under the [TS]

00:21:15 ◼   ► screen on the back like that was a [TS]

00:21:17 ◼   ► question but we knew like the face ID [TS]

00:21:19 ◼   ► would be there so I feel like we had a [TS]

00:21:21 ◼   ► really good picture of this phone and it [TS]

00:21:23 ◼   ► all turned out to be correct and the [TS]

00:21:26 ◼   ► details that turned out to be wrong [TS]

00:21:27 ◼   ► we're interesting especially when we [TS]

00:21:28 ◼   ► were discussing you know a touch ID in [TS]

00:21:30 ◼   ► the back and the best one was the the [TS]

00:21:33 ◼   ► game of telephone rumour about touch ID [TS]

00:21:34 ◼   ► being on the home button do you remember [TS]

00:21:35 ◼   ► that rumour mm-hmm right and that that's [TS]

00:21:38 ◼   ► explicable now you see how it works like [TS]

00:21:40 ◼   ► because you have to double tap the the [TS]

00:21:41 ◼   ► the power button to make Apple pay work [TS]

00:21:44 ◼   ► and it puts a little highlight anything [TS]

00:21:46 ◼   ► over it right so somebody like in this [TS]

00:21:48 ◼   ► game of telephone knew about that and [TS]

00:21:50 ◼   ► you know through seven different people [TS]

00:21:52 ◼   ► it becomes suddenly touch ID and the [TS]

00:21:54 ◼   ► power button which and I really made any [TS]

00:21:55 ◼   ► sense because it's not big enough but [TS]

00:21:56 ◼   ► anyway even things like that I loved [TS]

00:21:58 ◼   ► seeing after the fact oh that's that's [TS]

00:22:00 ◼   ► what they were confused about there was [TS]

00:22:02 ◼   ► never touch adding the power button but [TS]

00:22:04 ◼   ► somebody knew that piece of information [TS]

00:22:05 ◼   ► and it [TS]

00:22:07 ◼   ► like you know lost in translation and [TS]

00:22:09 ◼   ► then all of a sudden this rumor came out [TS]

00:22:10 ◼   ► of it so I think that's just par for the [TS]

00:22:12 ◼   ► course of rumors I don't know I feel [TS]

00:22:14 ◼   ► like the rumor mill was so sketchy and [TS]

00:22:17 ◼   ► then around the time with the lost [TS]

00:22:19 ◼   ► iPhone 4 [TS]

00:22:20 ◼   ► I think sources got really good and then [TS]

00:22:23 ◼   ► in the last year so like I think Marco [TS]

00:22:26 ◼   ► had said if sources have been not as [TS]

00:22:30 ◼   ► good because I feel like we knew but [TS]

00:22:33 ◼   ► even without software software releases [TS]

00:22:36 ◼   ► we knew exactly what this stuff would [TS]

00:22:37 ◼   ► look like like to the pixels so to speak [TS]

00:22:39 ◼   ► I understand it's a terrible analogy but [TS]

00:22:40 ◼   ► now if it wasn't for software releases [TS]

00:22:43 ◼   ► we know we know the broad strokes you're [TS]

00:22:45 ◼   ► right John but I don't think without the [TS]

00:22:47 ◼   ► home pod debacle we would have known as [TS]

00:22:50 ◼   ► specifically as we have in prior years [TS]

00:22:52 ◼   ► but I don't think it's broad strokes [TS]

00:22:55 ◼   ► like we didn't have if it wasn't for [TS]

00:22:56 ◼   ► that phone left in a bar we wouldn't [TS]

00:22:58 ◼   ► have known exactly what the iPhone 4 [TS]

00:23:00 ◼   ► looked like until somebody found one but [TS]

00:23:01 ◼   ► we knew exactly what the iPhone 10 would [TS]

00:23:03 ◼   ► look like maybe some surface details we [TS]

00:23:05 ◼   ► didn't know I feel like the iPhone 8 we [TS]

00:23:07 ◼   ► didn't have a really good grasp on [TS]

00:23:09 ◼   ► surface details maybe but when you have [TS]

00:23:12 ◼   ► millimeter perfect you know measured [TS]

00:23:15 ◼   ► drawings of the phone months ahead of [TS]

00:23:17 ◼   ► time that turn out to be 100% accurate [TS]

00:23:19 ◼   ► so I hear that people could build cases [TS]

00:23:21 ◼   ► based on them that is unprecedented we [TS]

00:23:23 ◼   ► didn't have that for the iPhone 3GS for [TS]

00:23:25 ◼   ► the iPhone for like back then you know [TS]

00:23:27 ◼   ► being left in a bar was the only way we [TS]

00:23:28 ◼   ► were gonna get that kind of thing so but [TS]

00:23:31 ◼   ► like that but there are so many there's [TS]

00:23:32 ◼   ► so much noise you said John like I feel [TS]

00:23:34 ◼   ► like part of the Apple rumor game is [TS]

00:23:36 ◼   ► always trying to figure out like you [TS]

00:23:38 ◼   ► know what what if this will actually [TS]

00:23:39 ◼   ► cause like everybody who you know floats [TS]

00:23:43 ◼   ► their head near Apple or is a sub is a [TS]

00:23:45 ◼   ► you know friend of a nephew of of a [TS]

00:23:47 ◼   ► supplier or something like everybody who [TS]

00:23:49 ◼   ► was anywhere near Apple can leak [TS]

00:23:53 ◼   ► something about what they think they [TS]

00:23:54 ◼   ► might be working on because they had one [TS]

00:23:56 ◼   ► part made or they heard from a friend of [TS]

00:23:59 ◼   ► a friend of a friend who works at a man [TS]

00:24:00 ◼   ► at a factory or you know something like [TS]

00:24:02 ◼   ► that there's always something about like [TS]

00:24:03 ◼   ► or even you know people on campus who [TS]

00:24:05 ◼   ► leaked you know people inside the [TS]

00:24:06 ◼   ► company they can leak about things that [TS]

00:24:08 ◼   ► they've seen or heard about around [TS]

00:24:10 ◼   ► campus but none of that has a strong [TS]

00:24:13 ◼   ► correlation to what actually gets [TS]

00:24:14 ◼   ► released and how things actually ship [TS]

00:24:16 ◼   ► and what the final version of things [TS]

00:24:17 ◼   ► actually look like or do or work so [TS]

00:24:20 ◼   ► the challenge of the rumor mill has [TS]

00:24:21 ◼   ► always been okay you have all this [TS]

00:24:24 ◼   ► information ten percent of it is true [TS]

00:24:26 ◼   ► but you don't know what ten percent [TS]

00:24:28 ◼   ► until the event okay and that part has [TS]

00:24:32 ◼   ► has reverted back to as bad as it used [TS]

00:24:35 ◼   ► to be that part was better two years ago [TS]

00:24:38 ◼   ► and that part is now back to where it [TS]

00:24:40 ◼   ► was ten years ago and which is basically [TS]

00:24:42 ◼   ► all over the place and not that useful [TS]

00:24:44 ◼   ► so that's what I'm saying like it's not [TS]

00:24:47 ◼   ► that it's not that we won't have seen [TS]

00:24:49 ◼   ► many of the details ahead of time but we [TS]

00:24:52 ◼   ► won't know which of the details we've [TS]

00:24:53 ◼   ► seen are true and which will ship you [TS]

00:24:55 ◼   ► know and that's the kind of thing that [TS]

00:24:57 ◼   ► used to leak a lot better than it does [TS]

00:24:59 ◼   ► now and that's what I'm very happy about [TS]

00:25:01 ◼   ► now but again that's also what it needs [TS]

00:25:03 ◼   ► to now and it's now adjust myself to by [TS]

00:25:07 ◼   ► default disbelieve rumor sites rather [TS]

00:25:10 ◼   ► than by default believing them the way [TS]

00:25:11 ◼   ► I've been doing the last two years I [TS]

00:25:13 ◼   ► don't know if you want to change your [TS]

00:25:14 ◼   ► default but and on this front I think [TS]

00:25:20 ◼   ► the iPhone 10 was actually a tricky case [TS]

00:25:23 ◼   ► too because so much was changing we knew [TS]

00:25:25 ◼   ► so much was changing with the iPhone 10 [TS]

00:25:26 ◼   ► so with so much up for grabs there's [TS]

00:25:28 ◼   ► less sort of bedrock that you can you [TS]

00:25:30 ◼   ► know say well it's an iPhone and these [TS]

00:25:33 ◼   ► two minor things change once you get rid [TS]

00:25:35 ◼   ► of all the stuff on the front and make [TS]

00:25:37 ◼   ► it all screen there are many [TS]

00:25:39 ◼   ► possibilities with how that can go [TS]

00:25:40 ◼   ► especially before the software leaks it [TS]

00:25:42 ◼   ► was that's why it was I did like well [TS]

00:25:43 ◼   ► what happened it's not to date where [TS]

00:25:44 ◼   ► does it go it's not under screen is it [TS]

00:25:45 ◼   ► on the back is it on the power button it [TS]

00:25:47 ◼   ► like you know because more things were [TS]

00:25:50 ◼   ► up for grabs [TS]

00:25:50 ◼   ► if this pretend that 10 doesn't exist [TS]

00:25:53 ◼   ► and this is just the eight you know [TS]

00:25:55 ◼   ► there there wouldn't have been a weird [TS]

00:25:58 ◼   ► rumor about touch ID being in the power [TS]

00:25:59 ◼   ► button on the eight because they'd be [TS]

00:26:00 ◼   ► like well touching is where it always is [TS]

00:26:01 ◼   ► like look there's the phone like there [TS]

00:26:02 ◼   ► you know only a few things are changing [TS]

00:26:05 ◼   ► so the bigger the break from the past [TS]

00:26:08 ◼   ► the more possibility is for random [TS]

00:26:11 ◼   ► guesses and rumors and misheard things [TS]

00:26:12 ◼   ► because so much more seems possible [TS]

00:26:14 ◼   ► right so you've entertained it as a [TS]

00:26:16 ◼   ► possibility because you know who knows [TS]

00:26:18 ◼   ► what they'll do and then of course the [TS]

00:26:19 ◼   ► software League sort of you know refine [TS]

00:26:21 ◼   ► that all that well we'll see you next it [TS]

00:26:22 ◼   ► was presumably next phone they will not [TS]

00:26:25 ◼   ► have a catastrophic so for a leak like [TS]

00:26:27 ◼   ► this and we'll get to play the game all [TS]

00:26:29 ◼   ► the way up to the end where we'll have [TS]

00:26:30 ◼   ► you know there will be more constrained [TS]

00:26:32 ◼   ► that there won't be suffering you know [TS]

00:26:33 ◼   ► that the the one after the ten is not [TS]

00:26:35 ◼   ► going to be as a radical departure as [TS]

00:26:37 ◼   ► the ten is from the seven right and [TS]

00:26:39 ◼   ► we'll have a bunch of different [TS]

00:26:40 ◼   ► competing theories and we'll see how we [TS]

00:26:43 ◼   ► we do on them but it still seems like [TS]

00:26:45 ◼   ► you know a couple months before our [TS]

00:26:47 ◼   ► iPhone time next year we will have [TS]

00:26:49 ◼   ► measured drawings of exactly what the [TS]

00:26:51 ◼   ► phone would look like maybe we won't [TS]

00:26:52 ◼   ► know the exact colors in names though so [TS]

00:26:54 ◼   ► kept that going for us [TS]

00:26:55 ◼   ► all we know is that it'll be a new shade [TS]

00:26:57 ◼   ► of space gray yeah will they ever run [TS]

00:27:00 ◼   ► out they should just just line them up [TS]

00:27:02 ◼   ► and see you know when do they have to go [TS]

00:27:04 ◼   ► from like you know 8-bit color or 16-bit [TS]

00:27:05 ◼   ► color contain all contain all the space [TS]

00:27:08 ◼   ► Gray's all this is to say let me tell [TS]

00:27:11 ◼   ► you about my iPhone I was just about to [TS]

00:27:13 ◼   ► add so I first time I ever did this [TS]

00:27:18 ◼   ► getting a phone for my wife we both end [TS]

00:27:20 ◼   ► up waking up because really when one [TS]

00:27:21 ◼   ► person wakes up like look everyone's [TS]

00:27:22 ◼   ► gonna be up I was very unlucky in the [TS]

00:27:27 ◼   ► CBN lottery the store did not come up [TS]

00:27:30 ◼   ► for with me for me for like 10 or 12 [TS]

00:27:33 ◼   ► minutes [TS]

00:27:33 ◼   ► well I eventually got through on first [TS]

00:27:36 ◼   ► was actually the website so I'm about [TS]

00:27:38 ◼   ► the category of one of the people where [TS]

00:27:39 ◼   ► furiously forced quitting and [TS]

00:27:41 ◼   ► relaunching the app on you know on Wi-Fi [TS]

00:27:44 ◼   ► and LTE did not let me get to it I got [TS]

00:27:46 ◼   ► it first in the website but because my [TS]

00:27:48 ◼   ► wife was also doing this on multiple [TS]

00:27:50 ◼   ► devices she's doing it on her Mac and [TS]

00:27:52 ◼   ► her phone before I went through the auto [TS]

00:27:55 ◼   ► process right to the end because I knew [TS]

00:27:56 ◼   ► what she wanted but before I hit the [TS]

00:27:57 ◼   ► button about that point I had walked [TS]

00:27:59 ◼   ► downstairs and wanted to check are you [TS]

00:28:01 ◼   ► are you in the same process it turns out [TS]

00:28:03 ◼   ► she was she was right at the by step as [TS]

00:28:05 ◼   ► well so I didn't actually pull the [TS]

00:28:06 ◼   ► trigger on my by she pulled the trigger [TS]

00:28:07 ◼   ► on hers two to three weeks that's when [TS]

00:28:11 ◼   ► my ship date is so I did not get day one [TS]

00:28:13 ◼   ► I was unlucky in the unintentional CDN [TS]

00:28:17 ◼   ► lottery but two or three weeks it's not [TS]

00:28:19 ◼   ► that bad you know she was too happy with [TS]

00:28:21 ◼   ► it because she was also worried that it [TS]

00:28:22 ◼   ► would be really a long time and she [TS]

00:28:23 ◼   ► didn't want a way to relive time because [TS]

00:28:24 ◼   ► he's kind of getting sick of her phone [TS]

00:28:26 ◼   ► so two or three weeks is acceptable to [TS]

00:28:28 ◼   ► her oh I forgot yeah she got the big one [TS]

00:28:30 ◼   ► and we did a Verizon and they did the [TS]

00:28:32 ◼   ► thing where it's like we're having [TS]

00:28:34 ◼   ► trouble contacting your carrier which is [TS]

00:28:35 ◼   ► a vast improvement I tweeted you know a [TS]

00:28:39 ◼   ► tweeted that might have seemed like [TS]

00:28:40 ◼   ► snark but wasn't I called it progress [TS]

00:28:42 ◼   ► this is progress this is better than [TS]

00:28:44 ◼   ► before it's still sad that they you know [TS]

00:28:45 ◼   ► the carriers suck and they can't make [TS]

00:28:47 ◼   ► this work but at least it doesn't stop [TS]

00:28:49 ◼   ► the process but there was you know a [TS]

00:28:51 ◼   ► good 24 hours of fretting because you go [TS]

00:28:54 ◼   ► through the process and it's like well I [TS]

00:28:56 ◼   ► could kind of the carrier but don't [TS]

00:28:58 ◼   ► worry your phone is reserved and you go [TS]

00:28:59 ◼   ► to bed you know 3:30 thinking [TS]

00:29:01 ◼   ► everything's fine right but then the [TS]

00:29:04 ◼   ► next day you start to worry as everyone [TS]

00:29:05 ◼   ► else says look at my order look at my [TS]

00:29:07 ◼   ► ship date blah blah blah blah and you [TS]

00:29:09 ◼   ► have nothing you just have a screen that [TS]

00:29:11 ◼   ► you saw last night at 3:30 in the [TS]

00:29:12 ◼   ► morning that said you had a phone but [TS]

00:29:14 ◼   ► there's no proof that even happened [TS]

00:29:16 ◼   ► right and you have an email that says oh [TS]

00:29:19 ◼   ► we'll contact you when it's time for you [TS]

00:29:21 ◼   ► to complete your order alright but then [TS]

00:29:23 ◼   ► you're just waiting for an email it's [TS]

00:29:24 ◼   ► like so when when are you gonna email me [TS]

00:29:25 ◼   ► and tell me I can complete my order then [TS]

00:29:26 ◼   ► you start worrying they're gonna email [TS]

00:29:28 ◼   ► me and tell me I can complete my order [TS]

00:29:29 ◼   ► and that's gonna count as my order time [TS]

00:29:31 ◼   ► like that I didn't reserve a spot in [TS]

00:29:32 ◼   ► line at 3 a.m. but it's really just [TS]

00:29:33 ◼   ► gonna be when I get the email especially [TS]

00:29:35 ◼   ► since they say you'll have 24 hours to [TS]

00:29:36 ◼   ► complete your order so there's a little [TS]

00:29:37 ◼   ► bit of time pressure and it was a really [TS]

00:29:40 ◼   ► long time like everybody else had gotten [TS]

00:29:42 ◼   ► their orders and they gotten their dates [TS]

00:29:44 ◼   ► and everything we still hadn't received [TS]

00:29:45 ◼   ► the email but finally towards the end of [TS]

00:29:46 ◼   ► the day the next day got an email [TS]

00:29:49 ◼   ► completed the order and that's when we [TS]

00:29:50 ◼   ► saw the the two to three week thing so [TS]

00:29:52 ◼   ► that's not the best system it's a little [TS]

00:29:55 ◼   ► bit nerve-wracking I would I would like [TS]

00:29:56 ◼   ► it if I could actually go through the [TS]

00:29:58 ◼   ► process and give them the money and [TS]

00:29:59 ◼   ► complete the order and just say just [TS]

00:30:01 ◼   ► settle up figure it out with Verizon [TS]

00:30:03 ◼   ► later because they're obviously already [TS]

00:30:04 ◼   ► reserving me a spot I don't see why I [TS]

00:30:06 ◼   ► have to be involved with the the time [TS]

00:30:08 ◼   ► delayed retry right Apple can do that on [TS]

00:30:10 ◼   ► their in so that was a little bit [TS]

00:30:12 ◼   ► nerve-wracking but it all came out well [TS]

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00:31:42 ◼   ► anywhere so tell me about your iMac it's [TS]

00:31:48 ◼   ► back so here's here's what happened so [TS]

00:31:52 ◼   ► you know the Genius Bar or Grove or [TS]

00:31:54 ◼   ► forest whatever had it for a little less [TS]

00:31:57 ◼   ► than a week in in a little less than a [TS]

00:32:00 ◼   ► week they replaced the panel that's it [TS]

00:32:03 ◼   ► oh and then the very last day somebody [TS]

00:32:07 ◼   ► called me to ask if they could format my [TS]

00:32:09 ◼   ► hard drive even though I told them when [TS]

00:32:11 ◼   ► I dropped it off yes I have everything [TS]

00:32:12 ◼   ► backed up you can you can replace it or [TS]

00:32:14 ◼   ► format it if you need to they said they [TS]

00:32:16 ◼   ► needed to format my hard drive because [TS]

00:32:18 ◼   ► there was some bad data on the platters [TS]

00:32:21 ◼   ► by the way this is an SSD only iMac [TS]

00:32:24 ◼   ► there were some bad data on my platters [TS]

00:32:27 ◼   ► and that was causing my GPU overheating [TS]

00:32:30 ◼   ► issue and that they had to reformat the [TS]

00:32:33 ◼   ► hard drive to get rid of the bad blocks [TS]

00:32:35 ◼   ► on my platters and I was just like [TS]

00:32:40 ◼   ► really like can you explain a little bit [TS]

00:32:42 ◼   ► a little bit more and and every every [TS]

00:32:44 ◼   ► explanation I got was worse than the [TS]

00:32:46 ◼   ► last one [TS]

00:32:47 ◼   ► and I didn't I didn't pull it like the [TS]

00:32:49 ◼   ► I'm a nerd card I didn't I didn't tell [TS]

00:32:51 ◼   ► them how wrong they were yeah why why [TS]

00:32:53 ◼   ► did you bother pressing them on that did [TS]

00:32:55 ◼   ► you think there was a real explanation [TS]

00:32:57 ◼   ► hiding under there you just want to hear [TS]

00:32:59 ◼   ► them squirm as they try to like rephrase [TS]

00:33:01 ◼   ► it another way well and I was trying [TS]

00:33:03 ◼   ► because I was like I was like how can [TS]

00:33:04 ◼   ► that affect the GPU and there and okay I [TS]

00:33:08 ◼   ► said GPU every single time [TS]

00:33:11 ◼   ► about this fan every time like look the [TS]

00:33:13 ◼   ► GPU runs too hot I monitor I can tell [TS]

00:33:16 ◼   ► the temperature like it runs too hot [TS]

00:33:17 ◼   ► then the fan spins up well it's doing [TS]

00:33:19 ◼   ► almost nothing ok the GPU and I kept I [TS]

00:33:23 ◼   ► said it when I dropped it off I said it [TS]

00:33:24 ◼   ► when they were doing testing I said it [TS]

00:33:26 ◼   ► everywhere every single time that that [TS]

00:33:29 ◼   ► they set it back to me they said oh this [TS]

00:33:32 ◼   ► is why your fans running hot I'm like no [TS]

00:33:34 ◼   ► no it's more detailed than that trust me [TS]

00:33:36 ◼   ► this I'm trying to help you figure this [TS]

00:33:38 ◼   ► out like no they didn't they didn't hear [TS]

00:33:41 ◼   ► it so you know look I had a mediocre [TS]

00:33:43 ◼   ► experience right the people were very [TS]

00:33:45 ◼   ► nice they didn't fix any of my problems [TS]

00:33:47 ◼   ► except for the screen oh and now I have [TS]

00:33:49 ◼   ► a hot green pixel in the middle screen [TS]

00:33:50 ◼   ► so you know I'm not gonna have them [TS]

00:33:53 ◼   ► touch it again yeah this is why I don't [TS]

00:33:55 ◼   ► like whatever people whenever I complain [TS]

00:33:57 ◼   ► about a problem with hardware I have and [TS]

00:33:59 ◼   ► people like why don't you guys bring it [TS]

00:34:00 ◼   ► in for repair this is why because it [TS]

00:34:03 ◼   ► doesn't usually get the problems fixed [TS]

00:34:05 ◼   ► and you know sometimes if it's easy like [TS]

00:34:08 ◼   ► when I had a bad lightning port on my [TS]

00:34:09 ◼   ► phone that was easy [TS]

00:34:10 ◼   ► that they swapped it out done great [TS]

00:34:12 ◼   ► experience but when it's like a nuanced [TS]

00:34:15 ◼   ► issue with a desktop computer you know I [TS]

00:34:18 ◼   ► had to haul it there go without a [TS]

00:34:20 ◼   ► desktop for a week get it back put all [TS]

00:34:23 ◼   ► my data back on because they formatted [TS]

00:34:24 ◼   ► the drive for no reason fan still runs [TS]

00:34:26 ◼   ► too fast when the GPU runs hot for no [TS]

00:34:28 ◼   ► apparent reason [TS]

00:34:29 ◼   ► it wasn't bad data on my platters in my [TS]

00:34:31 ◼   ► SSD and surprise surprise and so you [TS]

00:34:35 ◼   ► know I appreciate it that they tried but [TS]

00:34:38 ◼   ► this is why I don't do this usually I [TS]

00:34:40 ◼   ► usually take the opposite approach where [TS]

00:34:42 ◼   ► if you're like once the seal is broken [TS]

00:34:43 ◼   ► once I've gone to and from the store [TS]

00:34:46 ◼   ► once I'm going to continue to go back [TS]

00:34:48 ◼   ► until as Generac would say I get [TS]

00:34:50 ◼   ► satisfaction display back three times so [TS]

00:34:53 ◼   ► if I if I they replace the screen and it [TS]

00:34:54 ◼   ► came back with a hot green sub-pixel [TS]

00:34:56 ◼   ► that would go back a mealy just for the [TS]

00:34:58 ◼   ► screen there's like look I've gone [TS]

00:35:00 ◼   ► through this asshole to get the screen [TS]

00:35:01 ◼   ► I'm gonna keep going through until I get [TS]

00:35:04 ◼   ► a perfect screen back unless have some [TS]

00:35:05 ◼   ► policy is about it I'm not doing it but [TS]

00:35:07 ◼   ► I don't know I don't know deals but I [TS]

00:35:08 ◼   ► would try right and my attempt to [TS]

00:35:11 ◼   ► explain the erasing of the disc like [TS]

00:35:13 ◼   ► maybe like the the cutting the ends off [TS]

00:35:17 ◼   ► the roast reason behind this poor person [TS]

00:35:19 ◼   ► trying to explain to you why they want [TS]

00:35:20 ◼   ► to erase your hard drive I have had many [TS]

00:35:23 ◼   ► times in the past [TS]

00:35:25 ◼   ► problems that make the computer do weird [TS]

00:35:27 ◼   ► stuff that have to do with like [TS]

00:35:28 ◼   ► corrupted libraries somewhere right so [TS]

00:35:30 ◼   ► like some some sort of file on disk does [TS]

00:35:33 ◼   ► not checksum correctly it has the wrong [TS]

00:35:34 ◼   ► data in it who knows why [TS]

00:35:35 ◼   ► like HFS+ errors you know could actually [TS]

00:35:38 ◼   ► be a hardware related failure who knows [TS]

00:35:41 ◼   ► and you say like well how it why would [TS]

00:35:43 ◼   ► that manifest in the GPU getting hot [TS]

00:35:46 ◼   ► there's enough tiny little things all [TS]

00:35:48 ◼   ► over the place [TS]

00:35:49 ◼   ► loadable pieces of code and various [TS]

00:35:51 ◼   ► library files and stuff that it's [TS]

00:35:54 ◼   ► possible that one of them could be [TS]

00:35:57 ◼   ► loaded and only a certain code path hits [TS]

00:36:00 ◼   ► the corrupted part and that causes it to [TS]

00:36:02 ◼   ► crash and then immediately relaunches [TS]

00:36:03 ◼   ► and that happens over and over and over [TS]

00:36:04 ◼   ► again and that causes some subsystem to [TS]

00:36:07 ◼   ► work harder than it should because it's [TS]

00:36:09 ◼   ► basically you know probabilistically [TS]

00:36:11 ◼   ► constantly crashing depending on when [TS]

00:36:13 ◼   ► the code path that hits the corrupted [TS]

00:36:14 ◼   ► part of the library is hit and you don't [TS]

00:36:17 ◼   ► see that and except maybe a in a console [TS]

00:36:19 ◼   ► line somewhere if you're lucky and that [TS]

00:36:21 ◼   ► would cause temperature go up so that's [TS]

00:36:22 ◼   ► my most charitable interpretation of why [TS]

00:36:24 ◼   ► there might be a legit reason for them [TS]

00:36:25 ◼   ► to erase your disk although that's why a [TS]

00:36:28 ◼   ► lot of people say I did a combo updater [TS]

00:36:30 ◼   ► and it fixed everything like just [TS]

00:36:31 ◼   ► reinstalling the OS often fixes it to [TS]

00:36:32 ◼   ► because it'll replace that library with [TS]

00:36:34 ◼   ► the correct version of it again stuff [TS]

00:36:36 ◼   ► like that has happened it probably [TS]

00:36:38 ◼   ► doesn't explain a temperature specific [TS]

00:36:40 ◼   ► thing I would expect to see more crashes [TS]

00:36:42 ◼   ► or whatever but I'll bet that that [TS]

00:36:44 ◼   ► issues like that are one of the reasons [TS]

00:36:45 ◼   ► why they've routinely wanted to erase [TS]

00:36:47 ◼   ► your drive just to reduce the number of [TS]

00:36:48 ◼   ► variables essentially like they should [TS]

00:36:50 ◼   ► have just said we don't know but we're [TS]

00:36:52 ◼   ► out of ideas and this is always the last [TS]

00:36:54 ◼   ► thing we try and sometimes it fixes it [TS]

00:36:55 ◼   ► so it's worthwhile and so they did it [TS]

00:36:59 ◼   ► okay so we had somebody write in who is [TS]

00:37:02 ◼   ► an anonymous Apple care advisor and they [TS]

00:37:05 ◼   ► said that they were servicing a 20-17 [TS]

00:37:09 ◼   ► MacBook Pro 13 inch for spacebar that [TS]

00:37:11 ◼   ► stopped functioning Apple care had [TS]

00:37:14 ◼   ► determined the issue was related to [TS]

00:37:15 ◼   ► accidental damage and therefore was not [TS]

00:37:17 ◼   ► covered under warranty they held their [TS]

00:37:19 ◼   ► MacBook Pro for a recoat price of 475 [TS]

00:37:22 ◼   ► dollars [TS]

00:37:23 ◼   ► holy smokes although the customer [TS]

00:37:27 ◼   ► disputes prying the key off in an effort [TS]

00:37:28 ◼   ► to fix the issue herself I don't doubt [TS]

00:37:30 ◼   ► that she probably did the point is our [TS]

00:37:32 ◼   ► customers would have no reason to try [TS]

00:37:33 ◼   ► and perform surgery on their brand-new [TS]

00:37:35 ◼   ► laptops with their car keys if the [TS]

00:37:37 ◼   ► keyboards worked rely [TS]

00:37:38 ◼   ► in the first place $500 to fix this [TS]

00:37:41 ◼   ► keyboard that is bananas I thought this [TS]

00:37:45 ◼   ► was a good story because it shows just [TS]

00:37:46 ◼   ► how things can go wrong thus far we've [TS]

00:37:48 ◼   ► been talking about it like oh we don't [TS]

00:37:50 ◼   ► really know what the reliability issue [TS]

00:37:51 ◼   ► is but these things are also under [TS]

00:37:52 ◼   ► warranty and eventually they won't be [TS]

00:37:53 ◼   ► and it will be worse but this is you [TS]

00:37:56 ◼   ► know this is example of good Apple [TS]

00:37:57 ◼   ► customer service in the end but sort of [TS]

00:38:01 ◼   ► a trap for customers like if this [TS]

00:38:04 ◼   ► happens to you you get a new laptop and [TS]

00:38:05 ◼   ► the spacebar stops working and you [TS]

00:38:08 ◼   ► decide to try to pry the key cap off now [TS]

00:38:09 ◼   ► maybe you're just frustrated maybe [TS]

00:38:10 ◼   ► you're impatient maybe you don't want a [TS]

00:38:12 ◼   ► wallet bother taking this store maybe [TS]

00:38:13 ◼   ► you've pried the key caps off past Apple [TS]

00:38:15 ◼   ► laptops and have fixed it yourself by [TS]

00:38:17 ◼   ► blowing stuff out or whatever but either [TS]

00:38:18 ◼   ► way if you do this and like and you know [TS]

00:38:22 ◼   ► and when you do with these through these [TS]

00:38:24 ◼   ► new keyboards there's like no way to get [TS]

00:38:27 ◼   ► it back on successfully like you're [TS]

00:38:28 ◼   ► doomed the prying off the key gaps is [TS]

00:38:30 ◼   ► not a thing you should do it's not even [TS]

00:38:31 ◼   ► a thing that Apple repair centers do [TS]

00:38:33 ◼   ► that's why they have to replace the [TS]

00:38:34 ◼   ► whole top of your computer right if you [TS]

00:38:36 ◼   ► do that and then bring it into the Apple [TS]

00:38:38 ◼   ► store they're gonna say well I see your [TS]

00:38:42 ◼   ► problem you pried off your spacebar and [TS]

00:38:44 ◼   ► that's not covered under warranty [TS]

00:38:46 ◼   ► because you essentially damaged your own [TS]

00:38:48 ◼   ► computer and if you said no no I've only [TS]

00:38:50 ◼   ► pried it off because before the spacebar [TS]

00:38:52 ◼   ► wasn't working you know by the letter of [TS]

00:38:55 ◼   ► the of the Apple Apple care laws like no [TS]

00:38:58 ◼   ► if you pry the key or if you try to [TS]

00:39:00 ◼   ► repair your own computer and mess it up [TS]

00:39:02 ◼   ► we don't pay for that now you know the [TS]

00:39:05 ◼   ► reason this is good Apple customer [TS]

00:39:07 ◼   ► service is that the person involved was [TS]

00:39:09 ◼   ► you know able to make an exception and [TS]

00:39:11 ◼   ► override the repair center whatever [TS]

00:39:12 ◼   ► likely the genius understands like the [TS]

00:39:14 ◼   ► only reason your prize is off because it [TS]

00:39:15 ◼   ► was broken I don't think you're sitting [TS]

00:39:16 ◼   ► around deciding to pry off your key caps [TS]

00:39:17 ◼   ► for the hell of it right and so they did [TS]

00:39:19 ◼   ► the right thing and I'm letting this get [TS]

00:39:21 ◼   ► repaired under warranty but when the [TS]

00:39:24 ◼   ► warranty runs out like what we just go [TS]

00:39:25 ◼   ► wait for the first person to have a [TS]

00:39:27 ◼   ► stuck key and exactly the the time of [TS]

00:39:30 ◼   ► their warranty runs out and realize [TS]

00:39:32 ◼   ► stuck key equals four hundred and [TS]

00:39:33 ◼   ► seventy-five dollars and that's going to [TS]

00:39:35 ◼   ► be a very very sad person a person who [TS]

00:39:38 ◼   ► will probably start considering how [TS]

00:39:39 ◼   ► convenient it might be to use their [TS]

00:39:40 ◼   ► laptop without ever touching the [TS]

00:39:41 ◼   ► keyboard on it maybe they are in the [TS]

00:39:43 ◼   ► market for a new Mac Mini I don't [TS]

00:39:47 ◼   ► remember which show it was I heard this [TS]

00:39:49 ◼   ► on but did you hear that [TS]

00:39:51 ◼   ► repairing the back glass on an iPhone 10 [TS]

00:39:55 ◼   ► is something like $500 yeah it's because [TS]

00:39:57 ◼   ► it's it's like a full replacement cost [TS]

00:40:00 ◼   ► basically so yeah it's like it's like [TS]

00:40:01 ◼   ► over $500 and notice AppleCare cost $200 [TS]

00:40:04 ◼   ► now on on the iPhone 10 and did you guys [TS]

00:40:08 ◼   ► all get AppleCare I did not I who were [TS]

00:40:12 ◼   ► living dangerously I buy it for tips [TS]

00:40:15 ◼   ► because she wants the peace of mind of [TS]

00:40:17 ◼   ► knowing that and she does drop her phone [TS]

00:40:18 ◼   ► occasionally we do have cases we have [TS]

00:40:20 ◼   ► yet to break one but still for her as we [TS]

00:40:24 ◼   ► wanted to buy it because that makes me [TS]

00:40:25 ◼   ► feel better for mine I I never have and [TS]

00:40:29 ◼   ► my policy has been you know because now [TS]

00:40:31 ◼   ► Affleck cares like I think it's like 130 [TS]

00:40:34 ◼   ► or 140 ish for the regular iPhone eights [TS]

00:40:37 ◼   ► and then for the iPhone 10 it's 200 am I [TS]

00:40:40 ◼   ► thinking here is the first time I have [TS]

00:40:43 ◼   ► to have a very expensive repair I will [TS]

00:40:46 ◼   ► reconsider my policy of having not spent [TS]

00:40:48 ◼   ► $200 every year up until that point but [TS]

00:40:51 ◼   ► until it happens unless that happens I'm [TS]

00:40:54 ◼   ► gonna keep not spending $200 to protect [TS]

00:40:56 ◼   ► the phone that I don't necessarily need [TS]

00:40:57 ◼   ► to be protected and well you know we'll [TS]

00:41:00 ◼   ► let it ride from there I'm the kind of [TS]

00:41:01 ◼   ► person who I don't really drop my stuff [TS]

00:41:03 ◼   ► like all I've never dropped gadgets [TS]

00:41:05 ◼   ► before or like I think I've dropped a [TS]

00:41:07 ◼   ► phone in the total of time that I've had [TS]

00:41:10 ◼   ► iPhones the entire last 10 years I think [TS]

00:41:14 ◼   ► I've dropped it maybe twice and neither [TS]

00:41:17 ◼   ► time it was severely damaged so I hope I [TS]

00:41:20 ◼   ► don't need it and if I start needing it [TS]

00:41:22 ◼   ► then I'll eat that first repair as a [TS]

00:41:24 ◼   ► life lesson and I'll start getting it [TS]

00:41:25 ◼   ► then until it happens I'm saving 200 [TS]

00:41:27 ◼   ► bucks a year I did get AppleCare plus on [TS]

00:41:31 ◼   ► my iPhone 7 and if you recall I dropped [TS]

00:41:35 ◼   ► it when I was running with it because [TS]

00:41:36 ◼   ► I'm an idiot and that was my first my [TS]

00:41:39 ◼   ► first iPhone casualty I have also [TS]

00:41:41 ◼   ► developed a deep scratch in the screen [TS]

00:41:43 ◼   ► since that happened I have no earthly [TS]

00:41:44 ◼   ► idea how so the good news is if I get [TS]

00:41:48 ◼   ► this repaired a second time the Apple [TS]

00:41:49 ◼   ► Care will have paid for itself but this [TS]

00:41:51 ◼   ► is the first phone I've run in a long [TS]

00:41:53 ◼   ► time without a case and two hundred [TS]

00:41:55 ◼   ► dollars on top of 1,200 or whatever I [TS]

00:41:57 ◼   ► paid is a lot of money so I have a [TS]

00:42:00 ◼   ► leather case that will be a few days [TS]

00:42:02 ◼   ► late behind my phone because I just [TS]

00:42:04 ◼   ► ordered it today [TS]

00:42:05 ◼   ► and I think I'm going to go back to [TS]

00:42:07 ◼   ► having a leather case and hopefully not [TS]

00:42:08 ◼   ► destroying my phone we are sponsored [TS]

00:42:11 ◼   ► this week by Casper start sleeping ahead [TS]

00:42:14 ◼   ► of the curve with Casper get 50 dollars [TS]

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00:42:22 ◼   ► and conditions do apply Casper is a [TS]

00:42:24 ◼   ► sleep brand that continues to [TS]

00:42:26 ◼   ► revolutionize its line of products to [TS]

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00:42:29 ◼   ► sleep experience one night at a time [TS]

00:42:32 ◼   ► Casper's mattresses are perfectly [TS]

00:42:34 ◼   ► designed for humans they are engineered [TS]

00:42:36 ◼   ► to soothe and cradle human's natural [TS]

00:42:38 ◼   ► geometry because you spend a third of [TS]

00:42:41 ◼   ► your life sleeping so Casper thinks you [TS]

00:42:42 ◼   ► should be comfortable seems reasonable [TS]

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00:42:44 ◼   ► and Casper mattresses are engineered to [TS]

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00:42:49 ◼   ► needs in all the right places [TS]

00:42:50 ◼   ► these Casper mattresses are designed [TS]

00:42:53 ◼   ► developed and assembled right here in [TS]

00:42:55 ◼   ► the US with a breathable design that [TS]

00:42:57 ◼   ► helps you sleep cool and regulate your [TS]

00:42:59 ◼   ► temperature throughout the night so you [TS]

00:43:00 ◼   ► don't get too hot or too stuffy and the [TS]

00:43:02 ◼   ► Casper mattresses combine multiple [TS]

00:43:04 ◼   ► supportive memory foams for a quality [TS]

00:43:06 ◼   ► sleep surface with just the right sink [TS]

00:43:08 ◼   ► and just the right bounce with over [TS]

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00:43:15 ◼   ► Google Casper is becoming the Internet's [TS]

00:43:17 ◼   ► favorite mattress they now offer three [TS]

00:43:20 ◼   ► mattress models the original Casper the [TS]

00:43:22 ◼   ► wave and the essential I am finally [TS]

00:43:25 ◼   ► sleeping on a Casper after way too long [TS]

00:43:26 ◼   ► of not sleeping on one and it's great I [TS]

00:43:28 ◼   ► really enjoy it Casper is also not just [TS]

00:43:31 ◼   ► a mattress company they offer a wide [TS]

00:43:32 ◼   ► array of products to ensure overall [TS]

00:43:34 ◼   ► better sleep experience things like [TS]

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00:43:39 ◼   ► get fifty dollars towards any mattress [TS]

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00:43:54 ◼   ► our show John it is all coming up [TS]

00:44:00 ◼   ► millhouse with regard to the Apple TV [TS]

00:44:01 ◼   ► tell us about this yeah so a bunch of [TS]

00:44:05 ◼   ► announced essentially announcements from [TS]

00:44:07 ◼   ► Apple because they have videos this [TS]

00:44:09 ◼   ► strange sort of out of time not at WWDC [TS]

00:44:12 ◼   ► but very much like WWC videos explaining [TS]

00:44:15 ◼   ► some of the new AP eyes in TV OS [TS]

00:44:17 ◼   ► 11-point [TS]

00:44:18 ◼   ► - which is not yet released but [TS]

00:44:20 ◼   ► presumably will be in beta soon so the [TS]

00:44:22 ◼   ► very first thing I did was went out to [TS]

00:44:24 ◼   ► my Apple TV and turned on beta software [TS]

00:44:27 ◼   ► updates which is the thing that you can [TS]

00:44:29 ◼   ► do if you sign up for the beta program [TS]

00:44:30 ◼   ► you get a menu thing that says in the [TS]

00:44:31 ◼   ► software update thing do you want to [TS]

00:44:32 ◼   ► also consider beta update I said yes and [TS]

00:44:35 ◼   ► I said please update me and it did an [TS]

00:44:37 ◼   ► update but then when I rebooted I was [TS]

00:44:39 ◼   ► still in 11.1 and now every time I check [TS]

00:44:42 ◼   ► for an update it says I have the latest [TS]

00:44:43 ◼   ► version so I do not have 11.2 I don't [TS]

00:44:45 ◼   ► know if anybody has it may be that beta [TS]

00:44:47 ◼   ► is not out yet but anyway why do I want [TS]

00:44:49 ◼   ► 11.2 well a couple of reasons first [TS]

00:44:51 ◼   ► there is a new API called AV display [TS]

00:44:54 ◼   ► manager [TS]

00:44:56 ◼   ► I shouldn't even know if it's new API [TS]

00:44:57 ◼   ► unfortunately I have not had time to [TS]

00:44:58 ◼   ► watch this video but this there's new [TS]

00:45:01 ◼   ► api's that allow you as an app developer [TS]

00:45:03 ◼   ► to switch video display modes [TS]

00:45:08 ◼   ► confusingly there's a second set of [TS]

00:45:10 ◼   ► screenshots showing you know what the TV [TS]

00:45:13 ◼   ► OS thing will look like where there are [TS]

00:45:15 ◼   ► options now to say automatically match [TS]

00:45:18 ◼   ► the frame rate of the source video and [TS]

00:45:20 ◼   ► automatically match the HD arnis of the [TS]

00:45:23 ◼   ► source video and you can turn them both [TS]

00:45:25 ◼   ► on and for a little while I was confused [TS]

00:45:28 ◼   ► well which is it is it that application [TS]

00:45:31 ◼   ► developers have to update their apps to [TS]

00:45:32 ◼   ► switch modes or is it that Apple TV will [TS]

00:45:35 ◼   ► simply detect the framerate and quality [TS]

00:45:38 ◼   ► of the video that's displaying an Apple [TS]

00:45:40 ◼   ► TV you'll switch modes as far as I can [TS]

00:45:42 ◼   ► tell it is you need both for this to [TS]

00:45:44 ◼   ► happen [TS]

00:45:44 ◼   ► developers need to update their apps to [TS]

00:45:46 ◼   ► use a new API and the new API won't [TS]

00:45:49 ◼   ► actually switch your mode unless the [TS]

00:45:50 ◼   ► preference is set in your Apple TV to [TS]

00:45:52 ◼   ► say hey if an application says that it [TS]

00:45:55 ◼   ► wants to change the mode to 24 hours per [TS]

00:45:57 ◼   ► second or whatever or some multiple of [TS]

00:45:59 ◼   ► that allow it to do it again I haven't [TS]

00:46:02 ◼   ► actually installed this beta because [TS]

00:46:03 ◼   ► they won't send it to me so I'm not [TS]

00:46:04 ◼   ► entirely sure so I'm just going off [TS]

00:46:05 ◼   ► several articles on this topic we'll put [TS]

00:46:08 ◼   ► a link in the show notes they are so I [TS]

00:46:09 ◼   ► can go home which I think just [TS]

00:46:10 ◼   ► summarizes the information that's [TS]

00:46:11 ◼   ► provided but anyway this is all good [TS]

00:46:13 ◼   ► news the good news is you will not have [TS]

00:46:15 ◼   ► to go to that menu and pick from umpteen [TS]

00:46:18 ◼   ► different formats every time you're [TS]

00:46:19 ◼   ► going to play a video which of course [TS]

00:46:21 ◼   ► you know the exact frame rate for and [TS]

00:46:23 ◼   ► it's also good news with people with HDR [TS]

00:46:24 ◼   ► TVs because previously apparently it was [TS]

00:46:26 ◼   ► if you turn to HDR on and played some [TS]

00:46:28 ◼   ► non HDR video it would try to display it [TS]

00:46:30 ◼   ► in HDR and make it look [TS]

00:46:31 ◼   ► gross which is just terrible I didn't [TS]

00:46:33 ◼   ► know that because I don't have an HDR TV [TS]

00:46:34 ◼   ► my only fear now is that these features [TS]

00:46:38 ◼   ► will come and they will be 4k only not [TS]

00:46:41 ◼   ► Apple TV 4k only but will only be [TS]

00:46:44 ◼   ► available if you have a 4k television [TS]

00:46:45 ◼   ► because right now I can't tell the Apple [TS]

00:46:47 ◼   ► TV output at some optimal 24 Hertz to my [TS]

00:46:52 ◼   ► television because I have a standard [TS]

00:46:54 ◼   ► definition a non 4k television and I [TS]

00:46:58 ◼   ► don't have a 24 Hertz option or any [TS]

00:47:00 ◼   ► multiple theraph which is a shame if you [TS]

00:47:01 ◼   ► have a 4k TV you do I'm hoping all this [TS]

00:47:04 ◼   ► mode switching and everything is not [TS]

00:47:06 ◼   ► confined to 4k like these other settings [TS]

00:47:09 ◼   ► are so we'll see but I'm excited by it [TS]

00:47:11 ◼   ► things are going in the right direction [TS]

00:47:12 ◼   ► all right let's ask a TP drew wants to [TS]

00:47:15 ◼   ► know what do you recommend for antivirus [TS]

00:47:17 ◼   ► on High Sierra don't run it don't know [TS]

00:47:19 ◼   ► yeah that someone asked me this at work [TS]

00:47:22 ◼   ► too and the reason I put this question [TS]

00:47:23 ◼   ► in there is that this is a surprisingly [TS]

00:47:24 ◼   ► common question especially for new Mac [TS]

00:47:26 ◼   ► users what should I get for antivirus my [TS]

00:47:29 ◼   ► answer to all these people is do not [TS]

00:47:30 ◼   ► install antivirus software on your Mac [TS]

00:47:32 ◼   ► maybe that sounds terrible and maybe [TS]

00:47:34 ◼   ► people think I'm an old fogy and really [TS]

00:47:35 ◼   ► in this modern day and age you need [TS]

00:47:36 ◼   ► antivirus software and bla bla but from [TS]

00:47:39 ◼   ► my experience over many many years being [TS]

00:47:42 ◼   ► forced to run many different kinds of [TS]

00:47:44 ◼   ► antivirus software at work I hate all of [TS]

00:47:46 ◼   ► them and all of them made my Mac worse [TS]

00:47:47 ◼   ► and at home I have never ever ever ever [TS]

00:47:50 ◼   ► run antivirus software all iMacs and as [TS]

00:47:54 ◼   ► far as I'm aware I have never had any [TS]

00:47:57 ◼   ► problems with viruses so my [TS]

00:47:59 ◼   ► recommendation is do not run and do [TS]

00:48:01 ◼   ► virus software on your Mac it's all bad [TS]

00:48:03 ◼   ► Marco any other thoughts I think exactly [TS]

00:48:06 ◼   ► what John says - the work experience [TS]

00:48:08 ◼   ► part yeah I mean at this point I would [TS]

00:48:12 ◼   ► say that antivirus software on your Mac [TS]

00:48:14 ◼   ► I think probably is a bigger threat of [TS]

00:48:18 ◼   ► itself being malware than any malware [TS]

00:48:20 ◼   ► that you would find and even when it's [TS]

00:48:23 ◼   ► working correctly not that it's malware [TS]

00:48:24 ◼   ► but it messes with your computer it like [TS]

00:48:26 ◼   ► it makes it slow it makes it annoying it [TS]

00:48:28 ◼   ► makes things not work that we're [TS]

00:48:29 ◼   ► supposed to work the headaches you will [TS]

00:48:31 ◼   ► get from the antivirus software itself [TS]

00:48:34 ◼   ► far outweigh the supposed to protection [TS]

00:48:36 ◼   ► that it and honestly it's not gonna [TS]

00:48:37 ◼   ► protect you the real question is like [TS]

00:48:39 ◼   ► just find a long time magazine maybe not [TS]

00:48:41 ◼   ► me like you know 1984 Mac user but but [TS]

00:48:44 ◼   ► you know humble brat right I'm just [TS]

00:48:46 ◼   ► saying like find someone who's been [TS]

00:48:48 ◼   ► using her Mac for years and ask them [TS]

00:48:49 ◼   ► what do you run for antivirus like can [TS]

00:48:51 ◼   ► you find a Mac user who has not run [TS]

00:48:54 ◼   ► antivirus and has been you know overrun [TS]

00:48:56 ◼   ► by viruses like Marco Casey have you [TS]

00:48:58 ◼   ► ever run antivirus software on your Mac [TS]

00:49:00 ◼   ► my work computer but that's because it's [TS]

00:49:02 ◼   ► compulsory not because I choose it but I [TS]

00:49:05 ◼   ► mean your home one nope even when I had [TS]

00:49:08 ◼   ► a work computer I didn't have you ever [TS]

00:49:11 ◼   ► had any problem with viruses I've never [TS]

00:49:13 ◼   ► not only have I never had a problem with [TS]

00:49:14 ◼   ► a Mac virus I've never even heard of [TS]

00:49:17 ◼   ► anybody else having a problem with one [TS]

00:49:19 ◼   ► ever saying yeah I mean more likely it's [TS]

00:49:21 ◼   ► gonna be you know social engineering and [TS]

00:49:23 ◼   ► getting you to click on some button [TS]

00:49:24 ◼   ► you're not supposed to know that you [TS]

00:49:26 ◼   ► know and not to say there aren't volun [TS]

00:49:27 ◼   ► abilities Mac's are totally vulnerable [TS]

00:49:28 ◼   ► to malware and viruses 100% and humans [TS]

00:49:31 ◼   ► are completely vulnerable to social [TS]

00:49:33 ◼   ► engineering and things that trick you in [TS]

00:49:35 ◼   ► to clicking something you're not [TS]

00:49:36 ◼   ► supposed to do right but the question [TS]

00:49:37 ◼   ► wasn't like our Mac's horrible the virus [TS]

00:49:39 ◼   ► they are the question was should I [TS]

00:49:42 ◼   ► install antivirus software and the [TS]

00:49:43 ◼   ► answer that is no because that software [TS]

00:49:45 ◼   ► is bad and makes your Mac worse now [TS]

00:49:48 ◼   ► remember that Apple does have a very [TS]

00:49:50 ◼   ► rudimentary anti-malware stuff that [TS]

00:49:52 ◼   ► you're getting with your note or not [TS]

00:49:53 ◼   ► they do push updates to it when they [TS]

00:49:55 ◼   ► identify new malware I think it's not [TS]

00:49:57 ◼   ► gonna save you from everything but it's [TS]

00:49:58 ◼   ► not as if you're completely unprotected [TS]

00:50:00 ◼   ► so this next one was an email submission [TS]

00:50:03 ◼   ► and I thought it was really interesting [TS]

00:50:05 ◼   ► Charlie Ullman rights if iOS and Mac OS [TS]

00:50:08 ◼   ► were available to install and integrate [TS]

00:50:10 ◼   ► with any hardware would you still use an [TS]

00:50:12 ◼   ► iPhone and a Mac and he continues for [TS]

00:50:14 ◼   ► this thought experiment assume that it [TS]

00:50:17 ◼   ► works well on all devices none of the [TS]

00:50:19 ◼   ► windows driver crap software updates [TS]

00:50:21 ◼   ► would happen just as regularly none of [TS]

00:50:23 ◼   ► the Android fragmentation crap you could [TS]

00:50:25 ◼   ► use any of the new hardware on other [TS]

00:50:27 ◼   ► devices without issue [TS]

00:50:28 ◼   ► NFC Microsoft 10 and dial Google pixel [TS]

00:50:31 ◼   ► squeeze etc and the prices don't change [TS]

00:50:34 ◼   ► meaning the Galaxy S II wouldn't cost as [TS]

00:50:36 ◼   ► much as an iPhone the surface book [TS]

00:50:37 ◼   ► wouldn't cost as much as a touch of our [TS]

00:50:39 ◼   ► Mac Mac Book etc I've thought about this [TS]

00:50:42 ◼   ► for several days now because I was [TS]

00:50:45 ◼   ► wanting to added this to the to the show [TS]

00:50:47 ◼   ► notes and I don't think I have any [TS]

00:50:49 ◼   ► really strong answers because I really [TS]

00:50:52 ◼   ► really do think for me that the best [TS]

00:50:56 ◼   ► Hardware out there is Apple [TS]

00:50:57 ◼   ► hardware I would probably at least flirt [TS]

00:51:01 ◼   ► with a thing pad especially that retro [TS]

00:51:04 ◼   ► one that just came out mmm mmm I know [TS]

00:51:06 ◼   ► John is getting really sick to his [TS]

00:51:08 ◼   ► stomach hearing me to talk about this [TS]

00:51:10 ◼   ► but man I think that looks good but [TS]

00:51:13 ◼   ► anyway I don't think I've ever seen a [TS]

00:51:15 ◼   ► phone that I've that I've longed for and [TS]

00:51:18 ◼   ► I don't really ever see computers that [TS]

00:51:21 ◼   ► I'm terribly enthusiastic about outside [TS]

00:51:24 ◼   ► of what comes from Apple and I don't [TS]

00:51:26 ◼   ► know if I'm just if it's Stockholm [TS]

00:51:28 ◼   ► Syndrome at this point or what but other [TS]

00:51:30 ◼   ► than maybe a think pad I don't think [TS]

00:51:32 ◼   ► there's anything but what about you John [TS]

00:51:34 ◼   ► I would definitely use non-apple [TS]

00:51:38 ◼   ► hardware because I would get basically [TS]

00:51:40 ◼   ► the modern equivalent of my 2008 Mac [TS]

00:51:42 ◼   ► priority got a big computer with room [TS]

00:51:44 ◼   ► for lots of stuff inside including a [TS]

00:51:45 ◼   ► really big gaming video card and Apple [TS]

00:51:48 ◼   ► doesn't sell anything like that so I [TS]

00:51:49 ◼   ► would have gotten that long ago like [TS]

00:51:51 ◼   ► that's what I'm waiting around for us [TS]

00:51:52 ◼   ► that you know a Mac Pro that I want to [TS]

00:51:54 ◼   ► buy if I could get third-party hardware [TS]

00:51:56 ◼   ► and run Mac OS and not have to deal with [TS]

00:51:58 ◼   ► any of the you know hackintosh stuff or [TS]

00:52:00 ◼   ► whatever yes I definitely would for [TS]

00:52:03 ◼   ► phones I also have never seen a phone [TS]

00:52:06 ◼   ► that has made me think I would rather [TS]

00:52:09 ◼   ► have that hardware than my iPhone [TS]

00:52:10 ◼   ► hardware even it was down to something [TS]

00:52:12 ◼   ► like mini USB versus lighting that was [TS]

00:52:15 ◼   ► no contest and us PC versus lighting I [TS]

00:52:17 ◼   ► think I still kind of prefer lighting so [TS]

00:52:19 ◼   ► I don't think there's any hardware that [TS]

00:52:22 ◼   ► would tempted me especially now that we [TS]

00:52:25 ◼   ► have like the sevens the the six and [TS]

00:52:26 ◼   ► seven size phone and we'll see what I [TS]

00:52:28 ◼   ► think of the 10 when it gets here but [TS]

00:52:31 ◼   ► for my desktop Mac computer in the [TS]

00:52:34 ◼   ► absence of a Mac Pro that suits my needs [TS]

00:52:36 ◼   ► I would definitely be running [TS]

00:52:38 ◼   ► third-party hardware Marco I've never [TS]

00:52:42 ◼   ► seen another phone that I that I [TS]

00:52:44 ◼   ► actually thought like I would like to [TS]

00:52:46 ◼   ► stop using my iPhone and go use that [TS]

00:52:48 ◼   ► please it has never come close I was [TS]

00:52:50 ◼   ► very impressed when I saw the what is [TS]

00:52:53 ◼   ► the Samsung the s8 the one the what not [TS]

00:52:56 ◼   ► the not the note but the one that came [TS]

00:52:58 ◼   ► out like six months ago that was [TS]

00:52:59 ◼   ► edge-to-edge ish like that one I was [TS]

00:53:02 ◼   ► very impressed when I saw that but it [TS]

00:53:04 ◼   ► wasn't so compelling that I like I want [TS]

00:53:06 ◼   ► to lose everything I know about the [TS]

00:53:07 ◼   ► hardware now this is a great question in [TS]

00:53:09 ◼   ► the sense that it assumes that we can [TS]

00:53:11 ◼   ► still use this [TS]

00:53:11 ◼   ► use the software that we like you know [TS]

00:53:13 ◼   ► all the Apple software because that [TS]

00:53:14 ◼   ► really is like you know that that's that [TS]

00:53:16 ◼   ► that's what matters more like ultimately [TS]

00:53:18 ◼   ► I would take Apple hardware that makes [TS]

00:53:22 ◼   ► me miserable before I would leave Mac OS [TS]

00:53:25 ◼   ► and iOS for the alternatives so it's a [TS]

00:53:30 ◼   ► good question for the phones yeah no way [TS]

00:53:32 ◼   ► for you no tablets no for laptops maybe [TS]

00:53:37 ◼   ► I think I might consider using PC [TS]

00:53:40 ◼   ► laptops especially oh you absolutely [TS]

00:53:42 ◼   ► would after all this kvetching about the [TS]

00:53:44 ◼   ► keyboard you absolutely would go to a [TS]

00:53:47 ◼   ► different laptop o [TS]

00:53:48 ◼   ► PC laptops are kind of ugly though well [TS]

00:53:50 ◼   ► I don't care about the look so much as [TS]

00:53:52 ◼   ► as the functionality for me cuz like so [TS]

00:53:54 ◼   ► anyway so I'm very happy right now with [TS]

00:53:56 ◼   ► just having an older Apple laptop you [TS]

00:53:59 ◼   ► know in the future when that plan [TS]

00:54:00 ◼   ► becomes untenable I hope their modern [TS]

00:54:04 ◼   ► ones at that point again are better for [TS]

00:54:06 ◼   ► me then I'll just switch to the modern [TS]

00:54:08 ◼   ► ones or even if they're not better [TS]

00:54:09 ◼   ► maybe I'll just want to suck it up and [TS]

00:54:11 ◼   ► deal with it so I don't so I don't have [TS]

00:54:13 ◼   ► to like mess with hackintosh Azure old [TS]

00:54:15 ◼   ► laptops or anything else but if I could [TS]

00:54:18 ◼   ► like run Mac OS perfectly well on [TS]

00:54:20 ◼   ► something better from the PC world or [TS]

00:54:23 ◼   ► you know at least better for my [TS]

00:54:24 ◼   ► preferences sure I would consider that [TS]

00:54:28 ◼   ► there isn't a lot out there that's [TS]

00:54:30 ◼   ► honestly that much better you know it's [TS]

00:54:32 ◼   ► it's very similar to when I mentioned a [TS]

00:54:34 ◼   ► couple episodes ago how like reviewers [TS]

00:54:36 ◼   ► always positively review like whenever [TS]

00:54:38 ◼   ► there's like a new surface book or [TS]

00:54:40 ◼   ► whenever there's like a new Google phone [TS]

00:54:43 ◼   ► a new Nexus or pixel phone like the [TS]

00:54:46 ◼   ► reviews were always really positive and [TS]

00:54:48 ◼   ► then the reviewers don't end up using [TS]

00:54:49 ◼   ► them like they're like oh this is a [TS]

00:54:50 ◼   ► great phone for somebody else and then [TS]

00:54:52 ◼   ► like they switch back to their iPhone [TS]

00:54:53 ◼   ► and their MacBook like the next day [TS]

00:54:55 ◼   ► alright and so like it with a lot of [TS]

00:54:58 ◼   ► this alternative stuff it's hard to get [TS]

00:54:59 ◼   ► good quality long-term reviews and often [TS]

00:55:03 ◼   ► times the long-term reviews are a lot [TS]

00:55:04 ◼   ► less positive than the initial ones were [TS]

00:55:06 ◼   ► so it's hard to really know as as [TS]

00:55:09 ◼   ► somebody who admittedly does not try you [TS]

00:55:12 ◼   ► know not Apple hardware almost ever it's [TS]

00:55:15 ◼   ► hard for me to really know how good of a [TS]

00:55:16 ◼   ► stuff is but certainly I would have an [TS]

00:55:19 ◼   ► open mind to it and on the desktop I you [TS]

00:55:22 ◼   ► know similar to John right now Apple [TS]

00:55:24 ◼   ► doesn't make what I [TS]

00:55:25 ◼   ► need they said they're going to so I [TS]

00:55:29 ◼   ► hope they do unlike John I don't need my [TS]

00:55:32 ◼   ► Mac Pro or my Mac desktop I don't need [TS]

00:55:34 ◼   ► it to be a standard tower with a whole [TS]

00:55:37 ◼   ► bunch of like card slots for gaming [TS]

00:55:39 ◼   ► cards or drive bays or anything else I [TS]

00:55:41 ◼   ► don't actually need that the trash can [TS]

00:55:44 ◼   ► Mac Pro would have been great for me if [TS]

00:55:47 ◼   ► they just updated it like that would [TS]

00:55:49 ◼   ► have been great [TS]

00:55:50 ◼   ► they didn't which is unfortunate but [TS]

00:55:52 ◼   ► like if they if they could have if they [TS]

00:55:54 ◼   ► could just deliver me that with you know [TS]

00:55:57 ◼   ► not the overheating GPUs issue maybe [TS]

00:55:59 ◼   ► deliver me that with modern internals [TS]

00:56:02 ◼   ► that can drive a 5k display and that [TS]

00:56:04 ◼   ► would be great I would love that [TS]

00:56:05 ◼   ► not a lot of other people would but I [TS]

00:56:07 ◼   ► would so I'd be totally fine with that [TS]

00:56:08 ◼   ► but in the meantime they don't have that [TS]

00:56:10 ◼   ► and there's I don't know when that's [TS]

00:56:11 ◼   ► when they're new Mac Pro is coming I I [TS]

00:56:14 ◼   ► assume that it's hopefully next year [TS]

00:56:17 ◼   ► hopefully in the earlier part of the [TS]

00:56:19 ◼   ► year but I really have no idea [TS]

00:56:21 ◼   ► so desktops I would use non Apple hopper [TS]

00:56:25 ◼   ► because I feel like that's where it [TS]

00:56:26 ◼   ► would matter the least that I was using [TS]

00:56:28 ◼   ► non Apple hardware like you're not [TS]

00:56:29 ◼   ► touching it really you can you know you [TS]

00:56:31 ◼   ► can use someone else's screen and it's [TS]

00:56:33 ◼   ► not that bad you know it wouldn't be [TS]

00:56:35 ◼   ► that big of a deal to use someone else's [TS]

00:56:36 ◼   ► desktop you know especially if you build [TS]