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00:00:00 ◼   ► Brady's before gentlemen okay quite know

00:00:04 ◼   ► how to parse that sentence but when I'm

00:00:11 ◼   ► like checking my sound before like I

00:00:13 ◼   ► found into you so I'm just checking it

00:00:15 ◼   ► on my own mm-hmm I don't know what most

00:00:16 ◼   ► people would do with they were just like

00:00:18 ◼   ► I check one two or say hello hello but I

00:00:20 ◼   ► always sing like I always sing to the

00:00:23 ◼   ► microphone when I'm doing my check on my

00:00:24 ◼   ► own and it just made me wonder to CGP

00:00:28 ◼   ► grey ever sing I can't imagine you

00:00:30 ◼   ► singing to yourself

00:00:31 ◼   ► I mean Bria I am human after all if you

00:00:35 ◼   ► prick me I will bleed right I don't

00:00:36 ◼   ► think there is a human on earth who

00:00:38 ◼   ► doesn't in some circumstance sing yeah

00:00:43 ◼   ► it's a very very human experience that I

00:00:45 ◼   ► definitely replicate on occasion try

00:00:47 ◼   ► think like what is the best most

00:00:49 ◼   ► probable singing time for me would be

00:00:54 ◼   ► driving in a car on my own that's gonna

00:00:57 ◼   ► be pretty high probability of singing

00:01:01 ◼   ► time because I think that like that's

00:01:02 ◼   ► the best time to sing to oneself okay

00:01:05 ◼   ► you sing in the shower Brady you seem

00:01:06 ◼   ► like a singing in the shower kind of guy

00:01:08 ◼   ► I don't sing in the shower

00:01:09 ◼   ► Shae I was like my thinking time I sing

00:01:12 ◼   ► to the dogs a lot do you mean literally

00:01:14 ◼   ► sing to the dogs or talk in a singsong E

00:01:16 ◼   ► way no I'll sing to them but like I'll

00:01:18 ◼   ► sing them a song but I'll change the

00:01:19 ◼   ► words of the song to make it about the

00:01:21 ◼   ► dogs

00:01:22 ◼   ► so like you know instead of like singing

00:01:24 ◼   ► like Brianna Gill I'll sing Brianna dog

00:01:26 ◼   ► to the dogs and things like that

00:01:28 ◼   ► mm-hmm or if it's songs got the name of

00:01:30 ◼   ► a woman in it like a love song I'll

00:01:31 ◼   ► change it to one of the dogs names or

00:01:33 ◼   ► something that seems like a lot of

00:01:34 ◼   ► effort for very little understanding on

00:01:38 ◼   ► their part probably and singing to

00:01:40 ◼   ► yourself in the car is like a good use

00:01:41 ◼   ► of your time I don't think it's in our

00:01:43 ◼   ► case at the time I was simply saying it

00:01:45 ◼   ► seems like a lot of creative effort to

00:01:48 ◼   ► change the song to be dog related like

00:01:51 ◼   ► sit there and like write a few drafts oh

00:01:53 ◼   ► just sing a song and just change the

00:01:54 ◼   ► word on the spot there's no effort it's

00:01:56 ◼   ► not like a difficult thing to do I don't

00:01:57 ◼   ► think I could change your song on the

00:02:00 ◼   ► fly like that to me it would seem like

00:02:01 ◼   ► oh you'd have to really think about that

00:02:03 ◼   ► I guess if you are as as good with words

00:02:05 ◼   ► as a Brady is you can just spontaneously

00:02:09 ◼   ► start singing in the words come out it's

00:02:11 ◼   ► just

00:02:12 ◼   ► poor like if this is the line of a song

00:02:13 ◼   ► that says you know I love you baby you

00:02:15 ◼   ► just change it to I love you Lulu

00:02:16 ◼   ► there's no cleverness here I'm not like

00:02:18 ◼   ► changing all the different words in the

00:02:20 ◼   ► meaning of the song I'm just like

00:02:21 ◼   ► changing one word to make it cute about

00:02:23 ◼   ► the dogs I'm sure they appreciate it

00:02:26 ◼   ► Brady

00:02:27 ◼   ► the question I have is if you're not

00:02:28 ◼   ► particularly into songs what songs do

00:02:30 ◼   ► you sing like I can't imagine you

00:02:32 ◼   ► knowing the words to any songs if more

00:02:33 ◼   ► just that the like the music plays a

00:02:35 ◼   ► very particular role in my life I don't

00:02:38 ◼   ► have very many venues for new music to

00:02:43 ◼   ► come into my life hmm I just don't

00:02:45 ◼   ► follow it yeah I think like most people

00:02:48 ◼   ► you get kind of largely stuck in the

00:02:51 ◼   ► music that existed when you were younger

00:02:53 ◼   ► so I feel like there's a bunch of song

00:02:54 ◼   ► that I have on rotation that are from a

00:02:57 ◼   ► while ago so you would sing along you

00:02:59 ◼   ► would never sing without music to sing

00:03:01 ◼   ► along with you wouldn't light as well on

00:03:03 ◼   ► the stairs and sing like the first line

00:03:04 ◼   ► of a song that's stuck in your head for

00:03:06 ◼   ► some reason I'm literally not sure I

00:03:08 ◼   ► could do like this didn't even occur to

00:03:10 ◼   ► me as a scenario yeah when you're

00:03:12 ◼   ► discussing you're singing to the dogs I

00:03:13 ◼   ► presume that there's something on the

00:03:14 ◼   ► radio and you're changing your X on the

00:03:16 ◼   ► fly is you're singing along to dogs this

00:03:19 ◼   ► changes the whole conversation baby

00:03:20 ◼   ► because the singing is along with

00:03:23 ◼   ► something yeah right and then the song

00:03:26 ◼   ► is guiding your brain in this rut that's

00:03:29 ◼   ► a very unfamiliar rut so I couldn't just

00:03:32 ◼   ► do it spontaneously that's madness I

00:03:33 ◼   ► don't know how you could do that like I

00:03:35 ◼   ► wouldn't do a full song but like if like

00:03:37 ◼   ► one or two lines of a song gets stuck in

00:03:38 ◼   ► my head and often it's a song I don't

00:03:40 ◼   ► like like I was at the gym a few days

00:03:42 ◼   ► ago and they were playing the song hold

00:03:44 ◼   ► on by Wilson Phillips which is a song

00:03:47 ◼   ► from my youth but it's not a song I

00:03:48 ◼   ► would like want anyone to ever hear me

00:03:50 ◼   ► sing and it's just one line from the

00:03:52 ◼   ► song it's been stuck in my head for days

00:03:54 ◼   ► and days song as I walk up the stairs

00:03:58 ◼   ► and I want it to go away

00:04:00 ◼   ► but I will just sing it you know I'm

00:04:01 ◼   ► sorry about that torment Brady this is

00:04:03 ◼   ► not a frequent experience for me the

00:04:05 ◼   ► line goes if you hold on for one more

00:04:07 ◼   ► day but then if the dogs walk in the

00:04:09 ◼   ► room I'll sing if you hold on for one

00:04:10 ◼   ► more dog you know like right I'll just

00:04:13 ◼   ► sing it to the dogs I see the pattern

00:04:14 ◼   ► here everyone sings to their dogs you

00:04:16 ◼   ► wait and say I don't think to Lucy

00:04:18 ◼   ► ah and you could sing actual Lucy songs

00:04:20 ◼   ► too I used to have a dog called Lucy and

00:04:23 ◼   ► I had another dog called Carlos and they

00:04:24 ◼   ► used to be out in the back

00:04:25 ◼   ► together and my friend Tim used to come

00:04:27 ◼   ► round and he would sing Lucy in the

00:04:30 ◼   ► backyard with Carlos to the music of

00:04:32 ◼   ► Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds

00:04:34 ◼   ► I guess Lucy is a name that has more

00:04:35 ◼   ► song possibilities than Lulu yeah

00:04:39 ◼   ► songwriters out there get on the Lulu

00:04:41 ◼   ► songs when we used to have music lessons

00:04:43 ◼   ► in school we used to have to sing out of

00:04:45 ◼   ► the songbook there was a song about Lulu

00:04:47 ◼   ► it was called don't bring Lulu and it

00:04:50 ◼   ► was about someone was throwing a party

00:04:51 ◼   ► and they didn't want them to bring this

00:04:53 ◼   ► person called Lulu cause she always

00:04:54 ◼   ► ruined the party

00:04:55 ◼   ► I often sing add don't bring Lulu to

00:04:58 ◼   ► Lulu what are you talking about sing out

00:05:00 ◼   ► of the songbook we used to have these

00:05:01 ◼   ► music lessons in primary school where we

00:05:03 ◼   ► had these sing-along books and the

00:05:04 ◼   ► teacher would then put on a tape that

00:05:05 ◼   ► came with the book and the songs would

00:05:09 ◼   ► play on the cassette tape and we would

00:05:10 ◼   ► like have to sing along it was just one

00:05:12 ◼   ► of the activities we would do okay so

00:05:14 ◼   ► you're talking about little little kids

00:05:16 ◼   ► school okay yeah yeah primary school but

00:05:19 ◼   ► there was a song called don't bring Lulu

00:05:20 ◼   ► and all the songs used to sing in school

00:05:22 ◼   ► they're all burned into my head I still

00:05:24 ◼   ► know the lyrics to don't bring Lulu so I

00:05:26 ◼   ► have got a Lulu song ready to roll good

00:05:29 ◼   ► you should think of to her after the

00:05:31 ◼   ► show I can't she's not here tonight well

00:05:33 ◼   ► where is she

00:05:34 ◼   ► well I'm away for the next few days so

00:05:37 ◼   ► the dogs are away at their holiday home

00:05:39 ◼   ► it's a bit of a sad time for me when the

00:05:41 ◼   ► dogs are away right holiday home in the

00:05:44 ◼   ► country let's buy the beach by the beach

00:05:46 ◼   ► they love it they get to walk on the

00:05:48 ◼   ► beach every day I sometimes think

00:05:53 ◼   ► they're a bit sad with regular listeners

00:05:58 ◼   ► or even irregular listeners to hello

00:06:00 ◼   ► internet we know that you and I have

00:06:02 ◼   ► different attitudes to supermarket

00:06:04 ◼   ► checkouts you prefer the self-checkout

00:06:06 ◼   ► mmm-hmm because you don't like sort of

00:06:08 ◼   ► awkward interactions with the people who

00:06:10 ◼   ► are doing the checkout right and I

00:06:12 ◼   ► prefer to go through with the people

00:06:13 ◼   ► because I think the people working in a

00:06:15 ◼   ► supermarket are quicker and better at it

00:06:17 ◼   ► and I don't mind the interaction you're

00:06:19 ◼   ► a man of the people you like to have a

00:06:21 ◼   ► little chat hear what's going on in

00:06:23 ◼   ► their life this has been well

00:06:24 ◼   ► established so anyway an amazing thing

00:06:27 ◼   ► happened tonight like a switch went

00:06:28 ◼   ► tonight in a funny kind of way because I

00:06:32 ◼   ► went to the supermarket tonight and it

00:06:34 ◼   ► was just a quick smash and grab I just

00:06:35 ◼   ► needed to grab three things dinner

00:06:39 ◼   ► I just need a three thing look and I had

00:06:41 ◼   ► my three things and then I got to the

00:06:44 ◼   ► checkouts there's a long long row of

00:06:46 ◼   ► checkouts where I shop very long human

00:06:48 ◼   ► checkouts human checkouts and then right

00:06:50 ◼   ► at the end are all the self checkouts

00:06:52 ◼   ► but I was very far from the self

00:06:53 ◼   ► checkouts and I walked up to the human

00:06:55 ◼   ► checkouts with their big long conveyor

00:06:57 ◼   ► belts and their spacious alleys for

00:07:00 ◼   ► supermarket trolleys and write all of

00:07:02 ◼   ► that and it was very quiet and there

00:07:03 ◼   ► were two or three that had no people so

00:07:06 ◼   ► I could have just walked up and said

00:07:07 ◼   ► here my three things thank you very much

00:07:09 ◼   ► and I was suddenly overcome with this

00:07:12 ◼   ► sense of like guilt or they would think

00:07:15 ◼   ► I was a bad person for going up to the

00:07:18 ◼   ► normal check out with the big conveyor

00:07:20 ◼   ► belt and all the infrastructure in place

00:07:21 ◼   ► for a trolley and I was just going there

00:07:23 ◼   ► with my three items I felt like if I

00:07:25 ◼   ► went up I don't know I felt like I

00:07:27 ◼   ► couldn't do it I felt like three items

00:07:29 ◼   ► were too few so instead I traipsed all

00:07:32 ◼   ► the way to the end to the self-checkout

00:07:34 ◼   ► where I had to queue and where there

00:07:37 ◼   ► were people using the self-checkout

00:07:39 ◼   ► using trolleys with up to like 40 items

00:07:42 ◼   ► laborious Lee self jerking themselves

00:07:45 ◼   ► out and I stood there in the queue

00:07:46 ◼   ► waiting to use my three items on the

00:07:48 ◼   ► self checkout because I felt this

00:07:50 ◼   ► pressure or guilt or something coming

00:07:53 ◼   ► from somewhere that I couldn't use he

00:07:54 ◼   ► came and check out with so few items oh

00:07:58 ◼   ► really

00:07:59 ◼   ► reading two things first of all that

00:08:01 ◼   ► this story just confirms to me like you

00:08:03 ◼   ► don't know how to supermarket there's

00:08:05 ◼   ► something is that that that invalidates

00:08:06 ◼   ► everything I've ever told me about your

00:08:08 ◼   ► supermarket use and secondly I feel like

00:08:10 ◼   ► you're also in a supermarket in an

00:08:12 ◼   ► alternate universe like who's going to

00:08:14 ◼   ► the self-checkout with a trough like

00:08:15 ◼   ► I've never seen such a thing where

00:08:17 ◼   ► someone goes to the self yet to be fair

00:08:19 ◼   ► that freaked me out I swear she had at

00:08:22 ◼   ► least 40 items in her trolley and she

00:08:24 ◼   ► was very slow I was like why okay but

00:08:27 ◼   ► does your supermarket not have a ten

00:08:28 ◼   ► items or fewer Lane that would absolve

00:08:30 ◼   ► your guilt of having the few items

00:08:33 ◼   ► yeah and that's right next to the

00:08:34 ◼   ► self-checkout but once I'd gotten there

00:08:35 ◼   ► I thought I well I might as well do the

00:08:36 ◼   ► self check but there were all these

00:08:40 ◼   ► empty lanes up ahead and I don't know

00:08:41 ◼   ► whether it's just in my head or there is

00:08:43 ◼   ► some yeah it's just rescher that's

00:08:44 ◼   ► happening in society now where if you've

00:08:46 ◼   ► got few items it's considered bad to use

00:08:48 ◼   ► a checkout person but I felt like I

00:08:50 ◼   ► couldn't do it

00:08:51 ◼   ► okay I think this is all in your head

00:08:52 ◼   ► but I'm curious madness do you feel that

00:08:54 ◼   ► there is some kind of social norm that

00:08:56 ◼   ► is spreading here yet if you have small

00:08:59 ◼   ► items you have to use the the

00:09:01 ◼   ► self-checkout yeah I feel like if you're

00:09:02 ◼   ► like a young able-bodied person there's

00:09:05 ◼   ► a few items like where I was you know in

00:09:08 ◼   ► looking all super fit in my gym gear and

00:09:11 ◼   ► all my style yeah I'm a you know with my

00:09:13 ◼   ► three items so then if I went into like

00:09:14 ◼   ► the lane for the people with trolleys or

00:09:17 ◼   ► people who struggle to do things

00:09:19 ◼   ► themselves they'd look at me and go what

00:09:21 ◼   ► are you doing here like okay you're

00:09:23 ◼   ► doing this yourself you're like what are

00:09:25 ◼   ► you so you feel like the human checkout

00:09:27 ◼   ► lanes are not for it the physically fits

00:09:29 ◼   ► and with small items like is that where

00:09:31 ◼   ► you feel like this is going like you

00:09:32 ◼   ► need a bunch of stuff yeah where you

00:09:34 ◼   ► need difficulty that must be it I felt

00:09:36 ◼   ► like I would be abusing a privilege hmm

00:09:39 ◼   ► which I know is stupid and like it keeps

00:09:42 ◼   ► people in a job if I use that line yeah

00:09:44 ◼   ► but I felt like it would be lazy of me

00:09:46 ◼   ► to have used it it just happened tonight

00:09:47 ◼   ► I would I walk towards and I thought now

00:09:50 ◼   ► I can't do it I've got to go and do the

00:09:51 ◼   ► self checkout even though I've got to

00:09:53 ◼   ► walk all the way to the other end of the

00:09:54 ◼   ► store and then go in a line and then do

00:09:57 ◼   ► the checking out myself which I hate

00:09:58 ◼   ► doing and I'm not good at I have this

00:09:59 ◼   ► mental image of you walking past ten

00:10:02 ◼   ► cashiers every one of them with their

00:10:04 ◼   ► eyes on you watching you walk past

00:10:06 ◼   ► thinking that guy is part of the problem

00:10:09 ◼   ► that guy is why I'm gonna get fired next

00:10:11 ◼   ► week because he won't use one of these

00:10:12 ◼   ► checkout lanes I know it may be a rut it

00:10:15 ◼   ► was a weird thing I thought you'd be

00:10:17 ◼   ► pleased by it but I couldn't believe I

00:10:18 ◼   ► was doing it I think he just confirms to

00:10:19 ◼   ► me that we have wildly different

00:10:21 ◼   ► Supermarket experiences and that makes

00:10:23 ◼   ► no sense I feel like there's a related

00:10:25 ◼   ► question here about social expectations

00:10:28 ◼   ► around the use of common areas in this

00:10:31 ◼   ► way so here's a question hmm

00:10:33 ◼   ► there's a bunch of bathrooms one of the

00:10:35 ◼   ► bathrooms has the handicap symbol on it

00:10:39 ◼   ► yeah all of the bathrooms that you could

00:10:41 ◼   ► use except for that one are full hmm

00:10:45 ◼   ► what do you do in the scenario Brady

00:10:47 ◼   ► probably white you'd wait interesting is

00:10:51 ◼   ► anyone there that can see me there is a

00:10:56 ◼   ► security camera in the in the hallway

00:10:58 ◼   ► all right so you're looking at like a

00:10:59 ◼   ► bunch of doors and there's a hallway and

00:11:01 ◼   ► there's a security camera I mean I'd be

00:11:02 ◼   ► less worried about a security camera

00:11:04 ◼   ► than actual

00:11:04 ◼   ► the people but this is why I picked that

00:11:06 ◼   ► in particular there's no human yeah but

00:11:09 ◼   ► you are not purely on your own if I was

00:11:12 ◼   ► capable of waiting okay I would most

00:11:14 ◼   ► likely wait if the situation felt like

00:11:17 ◼   ► it was becoming urgent I may go into the

00:11:20 ◼   ► unused one but if I could wait I would

00:11:22 ◼   ► probably wait what about you I have

00:11:25 ◼   ► always been of the opinion very firmly

00:11:28 ◼   ► that those bathrooms are handicap

00:11:32 ◼   ► accessible they are not handicap

00:11:35 ◼   ► exclusive right I am perfectly happy

00:11:38 ◼   ► without any social guilt whatsoever to

00:11:42 ◼   ► stroll right into the handicapped

00:11:43 ◼   ► bathroom oh so though the times I have

00:11:45 ◼   ► used those toilets I actually find all

00:11:48 ◼   ► that extra space quite disconcerting to

00:11:51 ◼   ► use a toilet and have like a really long

00:11:53 ◼   ► long way away to the door and have all

00:11:54 ◼   ► that open space around me I find quite

00:11:57 ◼   ► unnerving don't you is it like bathroom

00:12:00 ◼   ► agoraphobia is that what you're saying

00:12:02 ◼   ► yeah kind of like I don't want to be

00:12:04 ◼   ► using a bathroom with that much space

00:12:05 ◼   ► around me and lend me that far from the

00:12:07 ◼   ► door because if like someone opens the

00:12:09 ◼   ► door or tries to open the door I'm too

00:12:10 ◼   ► far away to do anything about it that is

00:12:12 ◼   ► a good point if you forget to latch it

00:12:14 ◼   ► you don't have the ability to emergency

00:12:15 ◼   ► slam yeah at the door and save everyone

00:12:18 ◼   ► the embarrassment of what's happening

00:12:19 ◼   ► yeah

00:12:19 ◼   ► all it's going to happen is the door

00:12:21 ◼   ► opens and there you are exposed to the

00:12:23 ◼   ► world I'm picturing that frog walking in

00:12:26 ◼   ► there yeah he just opens the door and

00:12:34 ◼   ► stands there and smiles at you that's

00:12:36 ◼   ► what the Frog does he's not even there

00:12:38 ◼   ► to use the bathroom he's just there to

00:12:40 ◼   ► watch I noticed that you have changed

00:12:44 ◼   ► your Twitter handle and picture to get

00:12:47 ◼   ► into the Halloween theme you have

00:12:50 ◼   ► succumbed to the pumpkin pressure how

00:12:52 ◼   ► ways becomes a pumpkin pressure I don't

00:12:54 ◼   ► know about that you did you think that's

00:12:55 ◼   ► a fair description of what what occurred

00:12:57 ◼   ► oh well I mean either that or someone

00:13:00 ◼   ► just suggested such a cracking name

00:13:03 ◼   ► you obviously have extremely creative

00:13:05 ◼   ► friends here's the thing Brady sometimes

00:13:10 ◼   ► you hear an idea and you just know the

00:13:14 ◼   ► idea is irresistible I feel like it's

00:13:16 ◼   ► not actually pumpkin pressure I just

00:13:18 ◼   ► like that idea was too good to pass on

00:13:20 ◼   ► and plus unbeknownst to you at the time

00:13:23 ◼   ► of recording I was immediately after

00:13:26 ◼   ► going to be posting a video that was

00:13:27 ◼   ► related to death and so like as soon as

00:13:30 ◼   ► that show was over I was like I can't

00:13:32 ◼   ► not do this I have no free will in this

00:13:34 ◼   ► scenario I'm going to have to change my

00:13:36 ◼   ► name to r.i.p gray is not even a choice

00:13:39 ◼   ► so are you happy though do you feel you

00:13:41 ◼   ► feel pleased with yourself I do you feel

00:13:43 ◼   ► like a little sense of ownership

00:13:44 ◼   ► obviously because you then put a death

00:13:46 ◼   ► video didn't make me wonder would you

00:13:48 ◼   ► have done it if you didn't have a death

00:13:49 ◼   ► video in the works but I think you would

00:13:51 ◼   ► have I think it was a good enough idea

00:13:53 ◼   ► that you would to be fair I the death

00:13:54 ◼   ► video thing made it perfect it made it

00:13:56 ◼   ► absolutely perfect in the world but it

00:13:59 ◼   ► was it struck me as just such a good

00:14:01 ◼   ► idea and said such again masterful

00:14:03 ◼   ► wordsmithing partic of a Brady Haran

00:14:06 ◼   ► mm-hmm I think had the stars not aligned

00:14:09 ◼   ► you would still have had a pretty good

00:14:11 ◼   ► chance of getting me to do that can I

00:14:13 ◼   ► just say this whole with this people

00:14:15 ◼   ► changing their names to halloween-themed

00:14:17 ◼   ► and changing their avatars and that

00:14:19 ◼   ► mm-hmm

00:14:20 ◼   ► the thing about it that bothers me the

00:14:21 ◼   ► most and I don't know if it was hammered

00:14:23 ◼   ► home enough in the last episode so I

00:14:24 ◼   ► just this is one point I want to make

00:14:26 ◼   ► it's not so much my problem with doing

00:14:28 ◼   ► it it's how long people do it for they

00:14:31 ◼   ► should just do it on the day of

00:14:33 ◼   ► Halloween like just on yeah first change

00:14:35 ◼   ► your name to something spooky we all

00:14:36 ◼   ► have a laugh doing it for the whole

00:14:38 ◼   ► month you know did I don't think they

00:14:41 ◼   ► celebrate at the end of World War 2 for

00:14:42 ◼   ► a month we change things for Halloween

00:14:46 ◼   ► for a whole month I have to completely

00:14:50 ◼   ► agree with you on that and and also I

00:14:52 ◼   ► agree that we didn't hammer at home well

00:14:54 ◼   ► enough and in the previous show it's

00:14:55 ◼   ► like it could be fun for a day but the

00:14:58 ◼   ► length of time it's just too much it's

00:15:00 ◼   ► just too long and even the whole r.i.p

00:15:02 ◼   ► gray thing i was aware that i felt like

00:15:05 ◼   ► it was a little soon to do it anyway hmm

00:15:07 ◼   ► halloween is fantastic as we both agree

00:15:09 ◼   ► one of the best holidays in the year

00:15:11 ◼   ► everybody loves Halloween but doing it

00:15:15 ◼   ► for an entire month is just too long I'm

00:15:19 ◼   ► also gonna say like I especially think

00:15:21 ◼   ► Halloween is a holiday that really

00:15:25 ◼   ► doesn't serve being stretched out for a

00:15:28 ◼   ► long period of time like Christmas I can

00:15:30 ◼   ► kind of get on board with

00:15:32 ◼   ► and Christmas from like Thanksgiving

00:15:33 ◼   ► until Christmas it's like okay well we

00:15:35 ◼   ► just have a time of year that is merry

00:15:37 ◼   ► and filled with lights

00:15:38 ◼   ► it's the season it's a season yeah it's

00:15:40 ◼   ► a Christmas season and I'm fine with

00:15:42 ◼   ► that I don't like it with it six months

00:15:44 ◼   ► in advance right but I can deal

00:15:46 ◼   ► essentially with two months of Christmas

00:15:48 ◼   ► that's fine but a month of Halloween is

00:15:51 ◼   ► like if we had Valentine's Day and you

00:15:54 ◼   ► started Valentine's Day stuff January

00:15:57 ◼   ► 7th yeah no more Halloween stretching

00:15:59 ◼   ► people feet oh come on

00:16:01 ◼   ► one day the build-up week I enjoy the

00:16:04 ◼   ► week build at work yeah building like a

00:16:06 ◼   ► week before seeing the decorations go up

00:16:08 ◼   ► but but Lex they sell pumpkins so long

00:16:10 ◼   ► before Halloween that I think there's no

00:16:12 ◼   ► way those pumpkins are still gonna be

00:16:13 ◼   ► good by Halloween I feel like there's a

00:16:15 ◼   ► delicate line which I'm okay with sort

00:16:18 ◼   ► of fall themed decorations maybe up to a

00:16:22 ◼   ► month before Halloween and in that case

00:16:24 ◼   ► is like while putting out some pumpkins

00:16:26 ◼   ► okay pumpkins a little a little close

00:16:27 ◼   ► but like if you want to put out a squash

00:16:29 ◼   ► I'm very okay with that right but it's

00:16:32 ◼   ► like where do we draw the line of what

00:16:33 ◼   ► becomes a Halloween decoration between

00:16:35 ◼   ► whatever it is just like seasonal

00:16:38 ◼   ► decoration I don't know exactly where to

00:16:40 ◼   ► draw that line but I just need to

00:16:41 ◼   ► specify you know for the record here

00:16:43 ◼   ► that I'm okay with some fall themed

00:16:45 ◼   ► decorations leading up to Halloween but

00:16:47 ◼   ► Halloween is spiders and ghosts and

00:16:50 ◼   ► skulls and witches and werewolves and

00:16:52 ◼   ► vampires and all that stuff that's week

00:16:55 ◼   ► before tops in the previous episode I

00:17:00 ◼   ► said and I spoke on behalf of my home

00:17:04 ◼   ► nation of Australia that when we

00:17:07 ◼   ► pronounce the word Lego we say Lego and

00:17:12 ◼   ► you were quite surprised by this you

00:17:14 ◼   ► were like oh what a funny way to say

00:17:15 ◼   ► Lego and I'm telling you but it was an

00:17:17 ◼   ► Australian ISM I had never come across

00:17:19 ◼   ► it was an Australian in Australia we say

00:17:21 ◼   ► Lego can you imagine my horror when my

00:17:25 ◼   ► fellow Australians started calling me on

00:17:28 ◼   ► and saying what are you talking about

00:17:29 ◼   ► ready it's Lego goodness is this like

00:17:34 ◼   ► have I just alone been doing it all this

00:17:36 ◼   ► time

00:17:37 ◼   ► yeah was this a joke that your family

00:17:38 ◼   ► pulled on you yeah I think all families

00:17:40 ◼   ► have that thing that they do which i

00:17:41 ◼   ► think is kind of strange where a kid is

00:17:44 ◼   ► mispronouncing something in a funny way

00:17:46 ◼   ► and the whole family just lets it slide

00:17:49 ◼   ► for what seems like a really long time

00:17:51 ◼   ► like maybe your family did this with you

00:17:53 ◼   ► and Lego well anyway I was a bit worried

00:17:55 ◼   ► so I did a bit more research a bit more

00:17:57 ◼   ► polling a bit more informal surveying of

00:18:01 ◼   ► people out there and also reading some

00:18:03 ◼   ► articles and it turns out saying Lego

00:18:06 ◼   ► instead of Lego is a South Australian

00:18:09 ◼   ► thing it's something that a lot of

00:18:12 ◼   ► people from my home state of South

00:18:14 ◼   ► Australia the capital of which is

00:18:16 ◼   ► Adelaide right say so it's actually a

00:18:19 ◼   ► regional pronunciation that I was

00:18:22 ◼   ► forcing upon you not all Australians

00:18:24 ◼   ► probably not even all South Australians

00:18:25 ◼   ► for all I know but it's a very South

00:18:27 ◼   ► Australian thing to say Lego and I've

00:18:30 ◼   ► since learned there are other little

00:18:32 ◼   ► enclaves of Canada and the United States

00:18:35 ◼   ► like certain regions or states and areas

00:18:37 ◼   ► where I was also getting a high Lego

00:18:41 ◼   ► pronunciation so there are little

00:18:43 ◼   ► pockets of Lego out there but it wasn't

00:18:46 ◼   ► like a whole countrywide thing and I

00:18:48 ◼   ► just wanted to clarify that I'm just

00:18:49 ◼   ► pulling up a map of Australia here

00:18:51 ◼   ► because when you say South Australia

00:18:55 ◼   ► yeah do you do you mean oh this is

00:18:59 ◼   ► embarrassing is the word province is

00:19:00 ◼   ► what's the the subdivision there States

00:19:03 ◼   ► States okay do you mean the state of

00:19:06 ◼   ► South Australia or do you mean southern

00:19:09 ◼   ► Australia like the bottom half of

00:19:10 ◼   ► Australia I mean the state of South

00:19:12 ◼   ► Australia because Victoria and New South

00:19:15 ◼   ► Wales which Theora I would also appear

00:19:17 ◼   ► to be southern states right other more

00:19:19 ◼   ► popular states and they do not say Lego

00:19:22 ◼   ► they were the ones who were jumping what

00:19:24 ◼   ► do you mean - my eyes is there some way

00:19:26 ◼   ► that they're not more southern it's a

00:19:32 ◼   ► little known fact outside of Australia

00:19:34 ◼   ► but South Australia which is not the

00:19:36 ◼   ► southernmost Australian state by far is

00:19:39 ◼   ► actually differently than it really is

00:19:42 ◼   ► okay you are right but to defend myself

00:19:45 ◼   ► if you lived in Australia you would

00:19:47 ◼   ► refer to those as the eastern states

00:19:49 ◼   ► Victorian New South Wales and Queensland

00:19:51 ◼   ► you would say the eastern states where

00:19:54 ◼   ► are you from arm from the east coast I'm

00:19:55 ◼   ► from the eastern states so even though

00:19:57 ◼   ► Victoria and

00:19:58 ◼   ► south wales are very southern they are

00:20:01 ◼   ► referred to as eastern this is the

00:20:02 ◼   ► linguistic southern verse yes yes I just

00:20:06 ◼   ► want to clear that up to reduce the

00:20:08 ◼   ► amount of feedback that you weren't

00:20:09 ◼   ► getting from someone from Perth

00:20:11 ◼   ► complaining that people in the southern

00:20:14 ◼   ► part of Australia

00:20:15 ◼   ► don't say leg oh I know my Australian

00:20:18 ◼   ► geography here Brady it's just exciting

00:20:22 ◼   ► to hear you talking about these places

00:20:23 ◼   ► to be honest yeah do you like that yeah

00:20:26 ◼   ► we could talk about a little Northern

00:20:28 ◼   ► Territory Darwin Northern Territory of

00:20:31 ◼   ► course is not a state right it's a

00:20:33 ◼   ► territory there's sometimes talk about

00:20:34 ◼   ► giving the Northern Territory statehood

00:20:36 ◼   ► but it hasn't happened yet they drink a

00:20:39 ◼   ► lot of beer in the Northern Territory oh

00:20:40 ◼   ► yeah the highest beer consumption per

00:20:43 ◼   ► capita of anywhere in the world well I

00:20:44 ◼   ► mean it looks like if you're in Darwin

00:20:46 ◼   ► you're very far from everything else so

00:20:50 ◼   ► yeah what are you gonna do you're gonna

00:20:52 ◼   ► say Lego and you're gonna drink your

00:20:53 ◼   ► beer you're gonna drink your beer hello

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00:23:29 ◼   ► like as soon as we talk about a thing

00:23:31 ◼   ► the whole world around that thing

00:23:34 ◼   ► changes yeah I'm sure

00:23:35 ◼   ► because of the show we are influences

00:23:37 ◼   ► yes we are influencers shapers shapers

00:23:40 ◼   ► of culture yeah by no means is this the

00:23:44 ◼   ► car effect or when you buy a car you see

00:23:46 ◼   ► it everywhere it's not that at all it's

00:23:49 ◼   ► like it's it's like a reverse the secret

00:23:51 ◼   ► right we think about a thing in the

00:23:52 ◼   ► whole world around us changes to bend to

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00:23:57 ◼   ► causation yeah so one of the things that

00:23:59 ◼   ► has happened is we have been discussing

00:24:00 ◼   ► emoji we have we've been discussing

00:24:03 ◼   ► animal emoji in particular in some

00:24:06 ◼   ► detail and B emoji in particular and

00:24:10 ◼   ► complained about Apple B emoji guess

00:24:12 ◼   ► what emoji is being changed in the next

00:24:15 ◼   ► release of iOS Brady really the B emoji

00:24:19 ◼   ► is getting an update that Ronna yeah now

00:24:22 ◼   ► this brings up a thing that I

00:24:25 ◼   ► I want to discuss with you so if you

00:24:26 ◼   ► look at the link in a hit put in the

00:24:28 ◼   ► show notes I am it is not just the B

00:24:30 ◼   ► emoji that is getting changed there are

00:24:32 ◼   ► five animal emoji that are getting

00:24:36 ◼   ► changed in the next update to iOS okay

00:24:39 ◼   ► the B the snail the octopus the whale

00:24:43 ◼   ► and the dolphin okay on the image you

00:24:46 ◼   ► are looking at the top row is the new

00:24:48 ◼   ► version and the bottom row is the old

00:24:51 ◼   ► version yes can you describe for the

00:24:54 ◼   ► listeners what you're looking at and

00:24:55 ◼   ► tell me your thoughts on these changes

00:24:56 ◼   ► alright well let me talk you through it

00:24:58 ◼   ► we do spend a lot of time talking about

00:25:01 ◼   ► emojis for an audio medium but anyway I

00:25:04 ◼   ► think emojis and podcasts is like peanut

00:25:07 ◼   ► butter and jelly right they just go

00:25:09 ◼   ► together perfectly so the old bee was

00:25:11 ◼   ► like a big fat bully be with little tiny

00:25:14 ◼   ► tiny stick legs and stinking antennae

00:25:16 ◼   ► and now it's getting more substantial

00:25:19 ◼   ► realistic insect D legs and beefed up

00:25:23 ◼   ► antennae more realistic beefed up wings

00:25:26 ◼   ► got a slightly droopy a sting yes it's

00:25:30 ◼   ► true it is it does have a do Priya sting

00:25:32 ◼   ► is a big bi as well yes sorry of course

00:25:35 ◼   ► the change of the eye is the probably

00:25:37 ◼   ► the most significant change from just a

00:25:39 ◼   ► little lazy white dot when someone

00:25:41 ◼   ► really wasn't trying to a more sort of

00:25:43 ◼   ► realistic being three-dimensional dome

00:25:46 ◼   ► like dark eye with even with a little

00:25:48 ◼   ► bit of white reflection in it from the

00:25:50 ◼   ► light from the camera that is somewhere

00:25:52 ◼   ► off screen for this emoji or the window

00:25:55 ◼   ► or whatever here okay a snail the main

00:25:59 ◼   ► changes to the snail it's just got more

00:26:01 ◼   ► detail that it's putting more sort of

00:26:03 ◼   ► photo realism in there and again they've

00:26:06 ◼   ► obviously decided the previous eyes that

00:26:09 ◼   ► are on the end of the stalks on the head

00:26:10 ◼   ► of the snail were just too small and

00:26:13 ◼   ► insignificant and they've given it sort

00:26:15 ◼   ► of slightly larger darker eyes are the

00:26:18 ◼   ► bay and the snail also used to have two

00:26:20 ◼   ► little human eyes on top of it stalks

00:26:23 ◼   ► like if you zoom in there basically

00:26:24 ◼   ► human eyes like nose eyes like that

00:26:26 ◼   ► yeah so yes more realism there a bit

00:26:29 ◼   ► more realism but not a dramatic change

00:26:30 ◼   ► the octopus on the other hand they've

00:26:33 ◼   ► gone in hard hmm because the old octopus

00:26:36 ◼   ► was quite cutesy

00:26:38 ◼   ► and was sort of looking at you frontin

00:26:41 ◼   ► and it looked like something that would

00:26:42 ◼   ► be a child's toy or something you wanted

00:26:44 ◼   ► to give a little cuddle to and

00:26:45 ◼   ► significantly it also has four legs but

00:26:48 ◼   ► the upgrade they've gone for more the

00:26:50 ◼   ► killer octopus that you're scared will

00:26:52 ◼   ► grab a ship and pull it underwater and

00:26:55 ◼   ► again it looks more realistic it looks

00:26:57 ◼   ► more aggressive if it's in a more

00:26:59 ◼   ► aggressive pose oh yeah I just realized

00:27:01 ◼   ► that actor pussy's doing like a little

00:27:03 ◼   ► bicep curl with each arm they still have

00:27:05 ◼   ► an up their game to eight legs they

00:27:07 ◼   ► stopped at six well you know what can

00:27:09 ◼   ► you do and you know there's just a

00:27:10 ◼   ► little bit more texture on the head and

00:27:12 ◼   ► again we've gone for more sort of

00:27:13 ◼   ► realism moving on to the whale the whale

00:27:18 ◼   ► again was super cute cutesy child's toy

00:27:21 ◼   ► that would play with in the bath and

00:27:23 ◼   ► they've kind of maintained the cutesy

00:27:26 ◼   ► nurse it hasn't changed a tremendous

00:27:28 ◼   ► amount they've put the eye in a more

00:27:30 ◼   ► realistic place it still doesn't look

00:27:33 ◼   ► like a very realistic whale and they've

00:27:35 ◼   ► added a lot more fine detail to the

00:27:36 ◼   ► water spout that it's blowing at the top

00:27:38 ◼   ► and finally the dolphin dolphin again

00:27:42 ◼   ► hasn't changed much it went from a

00:27:44 ◼   ► pretty kind of run-of-the-mill artistic

00:27:47 ◼   ► representation of a dolphin that's quite

00:27:49 ◼   ► cutesy and they've pretty much kept it

00:27:51 ◼   ► that way but they've just added more

00:27:52 ◼   ► sort of texture and fluting and designed

00:27:56 ◼   ► to the side of the dolphin and they've

00:27:57 ◼   ► made the fins look a bit more real it

00:28:00 ◼   ► still doesn't look like a real dolphin

00:28:01 ◼   ► but they've given it more it looks more

00:28:04 ◼   ► like something that would be a living

00:28:06 ◼   ► thing rather than a drawing do you have

00:28:08 ◼   ► a preference for the new versus the old

00:28:10 ◼   ► like if you have to accept them as a

00:28:12 ◼   ► package new versus old as a package I

00:28:16 ◼   ► prefer the old I don't like the path

00:28:18 ◼   ► they're going down here they're moving

00:28:19 ◼   ► away from the spirit of emojis I agree

00:28:22 ◼   ► with you 100% and in fact when I saw

00:28:25 ◼   ► this image I liked I was thinking about

00:28:28 ◼   ► our conversation last time about emojis

00:28:30 ◼   ► a surprising amount you're talking about

00:28:32 ◼   ► how songs get stuck in your head and

00:28:34 ◼   ► you're thinking about them over and over

00:28:35 ◼   ► again I found myself since our last

00:28:37 ◼   ► recording constantly thinking about like

00:28:39 ◼   ► what is the Platonic ideal of emoji

00:28:42 ◼   ► right this is this is an idea that was

00:28:44 ◼   ► just recurring in my brain over and over

00:28:47 ◼   ► again

00:28:48 ◼   ► and while I was thinking that of course

00:28:50 ◼   ► like our show goes out and then a couple

00:28:52 ◼   ► of days later Apple as a direct result

00:28:54 ◼   ► announces that they're going to change a

00:28:55 ◼   ► bunch of the emoji and this image like

00:28:58 ◼   ► this side-by-side image here of the five

00:29:00 ◼   ► animals and how they're changing it it

00:29:01 ◼   ► really crystallized something in my mind

00:29:03 ◼   ► which is like I didn't like the Apple

00:29:05 ◼   ► emojis all that much to begin with and

00:29:07 ◼   ► now I really don't like them and it is

00:29:10 ◼   ► because it's like Apple has lost the way

00:29:13 ◼   ► of what an emoji is and the thing that

00:29:16 ◼   ► crystallized in my mind is like oh I

00:29:17 ◼   ► know what emoji are emoji are modern

00:29:22 ◼   ► hieroglyphics and as such they need some

00:29:27 ◼   ► level of abstraction like emojis are

00:29:30 ◼   ► almost like an alphabet and the more I

00:29:33 ◼   ► think you make it like a photograph

00:29:35 ◼   ► which is the way Apple is clearly going

00:29:37 ◼   ► like they're making them more photograph

00:29:39 ◼   ► like more impossible to draw the less I

00:29:42 ◼   ► feel like their emoji the less I like

00:29:44 ◼   ► them and I think there's also

00:29:45 ◼   ► crystallized why in the last show we

00:29:47 ◼   ► were talking about the blobs like the

00:29:49 ◼   ► Android emojis would draw a family it

00:29:51 ◼   ► would be a family of blobs like four

00:29:53 ◼   ► little blob creatures like oh that's a

00:29:54 ◼   ► family versus an increasingly realistic

00:29:57 ◼   ► depiction of a family I could never

00:29:59 ◼   ► quite put my finger on like why does

00:30:01 ◼   ► that kind of bug me and now I know

00:30:03 ◼   ► because I feel like some level of

00:30:06 ◼   ► abstraction is intrinsic to what an

00:30:09 ◼   ► emoji is and if you're taking away all

00:30:13 ◼   ► abstraction I don't think it's an emoji

00:30:15 ◼   ► anymore like it's just a picture

00:30:17 ◼   ► I mean speculating on what's going on

00:30:19 ◼   ► here because I think I kind of see

00:30:21 ◼   ► what's going on here and why it's

00:30:22 ◼   ► happening hmm and it all comes down to

00:30:24 ◼   ► how you use your emoji okay tell me

00:30:26 ◼   ► there are two main ways that I use my

00:30:28 ◼   ► emoji the first way is when I'm sending

00:30:32 ◼   ► text messages maybe to someone like you

00:30:34 ◼   ► where we're exchanging a series of sms's

00:30:37 ◼   ► and occasionally we'll drop an emoji and

00:30:38 ◼   ► to be funny or express something and in

00:30:40 ◼   ► that case the emoji is appearing in a

00:30:42 ◼   ► line of text and ideally you want it to

00:30:45 ◼   ► be about the size of the text

00:30:47 ◼   ► yes it's sometimes it's in the line

00:30:48 ◼   ► right and when that happens they small

00:30:51 ◼   ► cute low detail emoji are ideal and the

00:30:54 ◼   ► super detailed emoji seem in fact seem

00:30:57 ◼   ► very very useless

00:30:58 ◼   ► I can imagine these emoji at that size

00:31:01 ◼   ► there is a second way that I use emoji

00:31:03 ◼   ► though and there is when I'm on snapchat

00:31:06 ◼   ► sometimes I'll take a picture and I want

00:31:08 ◼   ► to add an emoji to the picture and when

00:31:10 ◼   ► you do that you make your emojis much

00:31:12 ◼   ► bigger where I drag them onto the screen

00:31:14 ◼   ► and then you pinch with your fingers

00:31:16 ◼   ► outwards to make them bigger and bigger

00:31:17 ◼   ► so they become almost a feature of the

00:31:20 ◼   ► picture like I might take a picture of

00:31:21 ◼   ► the sea and then say oh wouldn't it be

00:31:23 ◼   ► funny if I put a big emoji whale in

00:31:25 ◼   ► there swimming in the sea right and if I

00:31:27 ◼   ► do that the emoji becomes very big and

00:31:29 ◼   ► in that case the detail starts having

00:31:32 ◼   ► some use and in some ways I see more

00:31:34 ◼   ► utility in the detailed ones and the

00:31:36 ◼   ► very low detail emojis when they're

00:31:38 ◼   ► blown up big become quite unusable and

00:31:41 ◼   ► they just sort of look out of place and

00:31:43 ◼   ► wrong they don't work so I don't use

00:31:45 ◼   ► them so I think what's happening is

00:31:47 ◼   ► they're seeing more and more people are

00:31:49 ◼   ► using their emojis as these huge

00:31:50 ◼   ► decorative ornaments in sort of picture

00:31:53 ◼   ► based communication and they're being

00:31:55 ◼   ► used to less and less as a punctuation

00:31:58 ◼   ► mark in a sentence and maybe that's why

00:32:00 ◼   ► they're changing the emojis in this way

00:32:02 ◼   ► and for me that's a shame because I

00:32:04 ◼   ► still prefer the use of emoji in

00:32:06 ◼   ► sentences and text you know in a tweet

00:32:08 ◼   ► or a text to someone so these detailed

00:32:12 ◼   ► ones are doing me a disservice but I can

00:32:14 ◼   ► imagine on snapchat these ones will be a

00:32:16 ◼   ► bit handier that's an interesting

00:32:18 ◼   ► distinction I have a like a slightly

00:32:20 ◼   ► more cynical interpretation Apple is

00:32:23 ◼   ► rolling out this an emoji feature with

00:32:26 ◼   ► their new phone where you can have the

00:32:28 ◼   ► emoji be animated okay I have a

00:32:31 ◼   ► suspicion that Apple is setting up all

00:32:35 ◼   ► of these emoji as being animated things

00:32:39 ◼   ► in the future to maybe integrate with

00:32:41 ◼   ► face recognition on their phone or to be

00:32:44 ◼   ► able to do things with maybe or maybe

00:32:46 ◼   ► not someone spent a lot of time looking

00:32:48 ◼   ► through the history of all the Apple

00:32:49 ◼   ► emoji and seeing the direction they were

00:32:50 ◼   ► going in who knows but if you were to do

00:32:53 ◼   ► that there's a clear arrow toward

00:32:55 ◼   ► increasing detail and especially

00:32:57 ◼   ► suddenly like way more detail I suspect

00:33:00 ◼   ► that that's where they're going with

00:33:01 ◼   ► this but that aside on all platforms

00:33:03 ◼   ► you're totally right that there are two

00:33:05 ◼   ► different use cases there's in line with

00:33:09 ◼   ► text and there is out of line with text

00:33:12 ◼   ► that's totally true

00:33:14 ◼   ► but what makes an emoji and emoji versus

00:33:18 ◼   ► like the concept of a sticker which many

00:33:20 ◼   ► platforms have is that an emoji can

00:33:24 ◼   ► exist in line with text that's what it

00:33:27 ◼   ► is yeah like I feel very strongly that

00:33:29 ◼   ► that is that at the level that the

00:33:31 ◼   ► design should be at and at that level

00:33:34 ◼   ► you have to have a some abstraction

00:33:37 ◼   ► built into the design you can't just

00:33:40 ◼   ► have a tiny picture of the thing you

00:33:43 ◼   ► have to have some level of abstraction

00:33:44 ◼   ► but yeah big giant detailed emojis

00:33:48 ◼   ► everywhere that's where we're going I do

00:33:50 ◼   ► think your emoji theory is more likely

00:33:52 ◼   ► right actually if I have to weigh up my

00:33:54 ◼   ► theory which involves Apple saying let's

00:33:57 ◼   ► make emojis that are more useful for our

00:33:59 ◼   ► customers or your theory which is let's

00:34:01 ◼   ► make emojis which will sell more iPhones

00:34:05 ◼   ► gee how does that board meeting go

00:34:07 ◼   ► [Laughter]

00:34:11 ◼   ► amongst the sort of the the first world

00:34:13 ◼   ► youtuber problems that we grew up about

00:34:15 ◼   ► most freebooting must be up there and

00:34:18 ◼   ► I've been at another freebooting victim

00:34:22 ◼   ► recently but it did highlight one of my

00:34:24 ◼   ► little gripes about freebooters that I

00:34:26 ◼   ► don't think I've raised before I know is

00:34:33 ◼   ► there some depth left unplumbed on this

00:34:36 ◼   ► topic is shocking I think you'll

00:34:38 ◼   ► appreciate this one and I think it comes

00:34:40 ◼   ► from a confusion that people have about

00:34:43 ◼   ► using things fairly fair use and things

00:34:46 ◼   ► like that and it's maybe a confusion

00:34:48 ◼   ► that someone like you has helped foster

00:34:51 ◼   ► with some of our previous conversations

00:34:53 ◼   ► although I don't think like you're the

00:34:54 ◼   ► root of the problem here I just think

00:34:56 ◼   ► it's like because people have probably

00:34:58 ◼   ► heard us in the past often talk about

00:34:59 ◼   ► you know percentages like when we were

00:35:01 ◼   ► talking about that recent fair use thing

00:35:04 ◼   ► there was you know what percentage of

00:35:05 ◼   ► the video was taken and stuff right so

00:35:07 ◼   ► this is what I'll just give you the

00:35:09 ◼   ► practical example because this shows the

00:35:10 ◼   ► example perfectly I got some alert or

00:35:13 ◼   ► something on my system saying or

00:35:14 ◼   ► someone's you know free btg video go and

00:35:17 ◼   ► check it so I went along and did my

00:35:18 ◼   ► check because I always have a look and

00:35:20 ◼   ► see what's this is in the YouTube

00:35:21 ◼   ► content in the YouTube backend because

00:35:23 ◼   ► sometimes they haven't free booted or it

00:35:24 ◼   ► is fair use so it's not even my content

00:35:26 ◼   ► and things like that so

00:35:27 ◼   ► go and have a look so I find this video

00:35:30 ◼   ► it's this math video of mine and the

00:35:32 ◼   ► freebooter in question has taken like a

00:35:34 ◼   ► huge chunk of the video like not the

00:35:37 ◼   ► whole video but say three or four

00:35:39 ◼   ► minutes consecutive unedited and

00:35:42 ◼   ► commented it's just a really nice

00:35:44 ◼   ► explanation of a mathematical concept

00:35:46 ◼   ► with nice animations and it was very

00:35:48 ◼   ► useful to this person so they've taken

00:35:51 ◼   ► that piece of my video and they've

00:35:53 ◼   ► dropped it into a video they've made

00:35:55 ◼   ► that's about an hour long I imagine is

00:35:58 ◼   ► made to be like a lecture or a lesson or

00:36:00 ◼   ► something it's a big long video and

00:36:01 ◼   ► partway through they've obviously said

00:36:03 ◼   ► ah to understand this concept here we go

00:36:05 ◼   ► and then they'll play my video for three

00:36:07 ◼   ► or four minutes and then they crack on

00:36:09 ◼   ► with whatever they were doing in their

00:36:10 ◼   ► video just drummed it in and in there

00:36:13 ◼   ► kind of thing that they wrote where they

00:36:15 ◼   ► like defend to why this is fair use

00:36:17 ◼   ► their defense was this is fair use

00:36:20 ◼   ► because I used four minutes of your

00:36:23 ◼   ► video but that is only ten percent of my

00:36:27 ◼   ► whole video because my whole video only

00:36:31 ◼   ► ten percent of it is to your video

00:36:33 ◼   ► that's fair use because that's hardly

00:36:36 ◼   ► anything and all the rest of it came

00:36:39 ◼   ► from other places so I haven't free

00:36:41 ◼   ► booted you and I think that's ridiculous

00:36:44 ◼   ► I mean that's a new one to me I haven't

00:36:47 ◼   ► come across that before I've seen it a

00:36:48 ◼   ► few times I mean by that rationale I

00:36:50 ◼   ► could upload all of Star Wars and as

00:36:53 ◼   ► long as I tagged another 30 hours on the

00:36:55 ◼   ► end of it of me just juggling I can say

00:36:59 ◼   ► hey I didn't free boot Star Wars because

00:37:01 ◼   ► it's only ten percent of my video yeah

00:37:03 ◼   ► or anything like I'm just gonna go

00:37:05 ◼   ► around and make a compilation of all of

00:37:06 ◼   ► the funniest videos on YouTube right and

00:37:08 ◼   ► for each individual content creator week

00:37:10 ◼   ► oh but you're only 1% of the total thing

00:37:13 ◼   ► that has been created yeah it's like if

00:37:15 ◼   ► I walked around Bristol and punched 50

00:37:17 ◼   ► people in the face and one of them came

00:37:19 ◼   ► up to me said hey he just assaulted me

00:37:20 ◼   ► and said hey no no I punched 50 people

00:37:22 ◼   ► in the face metaphor escalation here

00:37:24 ◼   ► you haven't been assaulted because lots

00:37:26 ◼   ► of other stuff has happened so you

00:37:28 ◼   ► haven't been wronged

00:37:29 ◼   ► so I guess did you see this a lot like

00:37:30 ◼   ► people are using your videos in in like

00:37:33 ◼   ► a longer selection of other thing cuz I

00:37:35 ◼   ► think that is interesting yes that is

00:37:37 ◼   ► quite common like someone will make like

00:37:38 ◼   ► a big long lesson and you know today I

00:37:41 ◼   ► want to

00:37:41 ◼   ► to you all the ins and outs of calculus

00:37:43 ◼   ► and to do so I'm gonna like go and

00:37:45 ◼   ► cherry-pick all the best explanations of

00:37:47 ◼   ► every concept ever and put them all

00:37:49 ◼   ► together in a big mashup hmm but it's

00:37:52 ◼   ► not like they've taken like a few

00:37:53 ◼   ► seconds and critiqued it or used it like

00:37:55 ◼   ► it's just a complete section like a big

00:37:58 ◼   ► section being used because that's just

00:37:59 ◼   ► you know useful to them but don't you

00:38:00 ◼   ► want to spread knowledge of calculus

00:38:02 ◼   ► around the world I'm sure part of the

00:38:04 ◼   ► justification also had some line about

00:38:06 ◼   ► are this video is you know it's it did

00:38:08 ◼   ► say although I'm making money from it

00:38:10 ◼   ► it's educational I don't know what

00:38:13 ◼   ► happened but basically I press the

00:38:15 ◼   ► button to say I don't agree with this

00:38:16 ◼   ► and I don't know what's gonna happen

00:38:18 ◼   ► next I don't know how the system works I

00:38:20 ◼   ► think after a while YouTube just drop it

00:38:23 ◼   ► don't neighbor well you can end up

00:38:24 ◼   ► getting all the revenue from the ads

00:38:27 ◼   ► that are running on their video right

00:38:29 ◼   ► that's the thing that can happen but if

00:38:31 ◼   ► they then say no no I disagree ten

00:38:33 ◼   ► percents fine

00:38:34 ◼   ► what does YouTube do now do they then

00:38:36 ◼   ► say well now what do you say Brady are

00:38:37 ◼   ► you gonna take them to court if there's

00:38:39 ◼   ► this Mexican standoff and you're no

00:38:41 ◼   ► one's willing to go to court who wins in

00:38:43 ◼   ► the end

00:38:43 ◼   ► it's the person with the copyright claim

00:38:45 ◼   ► win right we have this actually with the

00:38:48 ◼   ► hello internet video that was uploaded

00:38:51 ◼   ► several episodes ago when we talked

00:38:53 ◼   ► about the I can't say the name of the

00:38:55 ◼   ► song but the Melissa Florian whatever

00:38:58 ◼   ► yeah that Italian one right the Italian

00:39:00 ◼   ► one and so I put that song in the

00:39:03 ◼   ► podcast for people to hear yeah just

00:39:04 ◼   ► like a sample here's what it sounds like

00:39:06 ◼   ► yeah

00:39:06 ◼   ► hooligan debate whether or not that was

00:39:07 ◼   ► like too much or not enough right this

00:39:09 ◼   ► is always the ambiguities of copyright

00:39:11 ◼   ► well greg was only 0.01% of our podcast

00:39:14 ◼   ► so I think we're safe yeah I may have

00:39:17 ◼   ► used thirty seconds of the song but the

00:39:19 ◼   ► podcast is really long yeah but so

00:39:22 ◼   ► anyway there was a like as I kind of

00:39:24 ◼   ► expected there was going to be there was

00:39:26 ◼   ► a copyright claim on that yeah and I

00:39:29 ◼   ► went through the little appeals process

00:39:30 ◼   ► like I think this is fair use and the

00:39:32 ◼   ► copyright holder came back and said no

00:39:33 ◼   ► they disagree and the way the YouTube

00:39:36 ◼   ► system works which I think YouTube

00:39:39 ◼   ► should definitely improve is that all of

00:39:41 ◼   ► the ad revenue on that podcast goes to

00:39:45 ◼   ► the copyright holder for that song yeah

00:39:47 ◼   ► to me seems like a little much even if

00:39:50 ◼   ► you were in the wrong and use too much

00:39:52 ◼   ► of it which I don't think you did but

00:39:53 ◼   ► even if you did yeah

00:39:55 ◼   ► fact that from that hole to our podcast

00:39:56 ◼   ► they now get all the revenue because we

00:39:58 ◼   ► used 40 seconds of their song instead of

00:40:01 ◼   ► 15 that's nuts

00:40:04 ◼   ► yeah it's a weird system it seems like

00:40:06 ◼   ► from everything I've seen with other

00:40:08 ◼   ► Creators and the stuff I've had

00:40:09 ◼   ► first-hand experience on that like one

00:40:11 ◼   ► copyright holder becomes the one who

00:40:13 ◼   ► wins like who's the one that's most

00:40:14 ◼   ► wronged and that person is the one who

00:40:16 ◼   ► ends up with the claim on the revenue

00:40:18 ◼   ► from the advertising dollars no well

00:40:19 ◼   ► what are you gonna do

00:40:21 ◼   ► what are you gonna do you got to pick

00:40:23 ◼   ► your fights don't you yeah then you pick

00:40:25 ◼   ► that fight told that guy now well I

00:40:28 ◼   ► don't know what's gonna happen

00:40:29 ◼   ► sing we're talking about YouTube fights

00:40:31 ◼   ► should we deal with my other one that's

00:40:33 ◼   ► bubbling a look at the moment yeah so my

00:40:36 ◼   ► other little YouTube problem at the

00:40:38 ◼   ► moment gray is I have had another video

00:40:41 ◼   ► demonetized put into the sin bin of

00:40:44 ◼   ► advertising deemed inappropriate and

00:40:47 ◼   ► unfriendly for advertising and instead

00:40:49 ◼   ► of that nice green tick you get next to

00:40:51 ◼   ► a video saying no you can have ads on

00:40:52 ◼   ► this video I have the dreaded yellow

00:40:55 ◼   ► tick of naughtiness brainy I just have

00:40:58 ◼   ► to ask why do you keep uploading

00:41:01 ◼   ► inappropriate videos to YouTube I mean

00:41:03 ◼   ► where there's smoke there's fire right

00:41:05 ◼   ► you give me an example

00:41:05 ◼   ► oh there's one where you're uploading

00:41:07 ◼   ► deranged videos to YouTube and you get

00:41:09 ◼   ► this slap down but you keep doing it you

00:41:11 ◼   ► seem to not be able to help yourself

00:41:12 ◼   ► yeah I keep pushing the boundaries if

00:41:14 ◼   ► it's allowed you keep uploading all

00:41:16 ◼   ► these inappropriate videos do you do

00:41:17 ◼   ► that they're not advertiser friendly I

00:41:19 ◼   ► don't know what you're up to over there

00:41:20 ◼   ► on objectivity those of you who don't

00:41:24 ◼   ► watch objectivity and how dare you not

00:41:27 ◼   ► watch it why how dare you but if you

00:41:29 ◼   ► somehow a measly episode we did a video

00:41:32 ◼   ► about this guy called Eadweard Muybridge

00:41:36 ◼   ► who you may not know the name but in the

00:41:39 ◼   ► 1800s was bit of a big deal he came up

00:41:42 ◼   ► with this way of taking in the early

00:41:45 ◼   ► days of photography of taking multiple

00:41:47 ◼   ► pictures very quickly in succession

00:41:49 ◼   ► sometimes being tripped by strings and

00:41:52 ◼   ► things like that and he used other

00:41:53 ◼   ► technology that he pioneered yeah to

00:41:55 ◼   ► show things that were happening quickly

00:41:58 ◼   ► like a horse running yeah I feel like

00:42:00 ◼   ► everybody in the world even if you don't

00:42:02 ◼   ► know his name

00:42:03 ◼   ► everyone's seen that video clip of like

00:42:05 ◼   ► here is the first time we had

00:42:08 ◼   ► motion video in a way horse running he's

00:42:12 ◼   ► the guy who did that because there was

00:42:14 ◼   ► actually a debate whether you know all

00:42:15 ◼   ► the horses hooves were off the ground at

00:42:17 ◼   ► given time and stuff so he he wanted to

00:42:19 ◼   ► break it down he then started filming

00:42:20 ◼   ► everything he could use this camera

00:42:22 ◼   ► system at so anyway he started taking

00:42:24 ◼   ► all these pictures to show animal

00:42:26 ◼   ► locomotion and then he also started

00:42:27 ◼   ► showing human locomotion so he would

00:42:30 ◼   ► show humans doing things like walking

00:42:31 ◼   ► and running and using an axe and fencing

00:42:34 ◼   ► and wrestling and all these different

00:42:36 ◼   ► things so it could be studied in detail

00:42:38 ◼   ► and not only was it like you know a lot

00:42:40 ◼   ► of scientific breakthroughs were being

00:42:41 ◼   ► made this was leading towards obviously

00:42:43 ◼   ► movies and moving pictures because

00:42:45 ◼   ► you've got this quick see he was like

00:42:46 ◼   ► the first slow-mo guy I like to think it

00:42:48 ◼   ► was it was in slow-mo they were playing

00:42:50 ◼   ► it back in real time well no but like it

00:42:51 ◼   ► was using like a high-speed camera to

00:42:53 ◼   ► show things that were too fast for the

00:42:55 ◼   ► eye to see okay he's kind of doing that

00:42:57 ◼   ► same thing you know it was a high frame

00:43:00 ◼   ► rate for the time okay

00:43:01 ◼   ► all right because we had no frame yeah

00:43:07 ◼   ► 12 frames per second it's amazing so you

00:43:11 ◼   ► know when he was taking pictures of

00:43:13 ◼   ► humans doing stuff they were usually not

00:43:15 ◼   ► wearing clothing because you wanted to

00:43:17 ◼   ► be able to see you know muscles and the

00:43:19 ◼   ► way the leg was moving and the arm was

00:43:21 ◼   ► moving and if it was all covered in

00:43:22 ◼   ► clothes you wouldn't be seeing it so I

00:43:24 ◼   ► uploaded this video all about all these

00:43:26 ◼   ► old pictures and what he did and we

00:43:27 ◼   ► showed videos of a rah rah rah you can

00:43:30 ◼   ► imagine and in the course of the video

00:43:32 ◼   ► we showed lots of these pictures we

00:43:35 ◼   ► animated some of them to make them into

00:43:36 ◼   ► little movies mhm now the video has

00:43:40 ◼   ► naked people in it you know we left a

00:43:42 ◼   ► lot out that we thought was a little bit

00:43:44 ◼   ► maybe a little bit confrontational we

00:43:46 ◼   ► haven't got like you know things

00:43:47 ◼   ► dangling in people's faces and it's not

00:43:49 ◼   ► - you know I thought we were restrained

00:43:51 ◼   ► yeah you left out the slo-mo pillow

00:43:54 ◼   ► fight that he had filmed as well in the

00:43:56 ◼   ► off hours yeah like that stuff wasn't in

00:43:58 ◼   ► there was a lot of stuff that maybe

00:43:59 ◼   ► could be construed as a bit risque but

00:44:01 ◼   ► you know that we didn't use any of that

00:44:03 ◼   ► it was just you know it was all pretty

00:44:04 ◼   ► normal stuff but there were occasional

00:44:08 ◼   ► glimpses of parts of the body here and

00:44:10 ◼   ► there but it was I thought it was a wrap

00:44:13 ◼   ► the YouTube's automatic system to its

00:44:16 ◼   ► credit unless someone flagged it to its

00:44:18 ◼   ► credit flags this is inappropriate

00:44:20 ◼   ► I disagreed with that I appealed it

00:44:23 ◼   ► asking for a manual review the manual

00:44:26 ◼   ► review has been conducted and the manual

00:44:28 ◼   ► review has come back saying no that's

00:44:30 ◼   ► inappropriate so as it stands now the

00:44:33 ◼   ► video is unavailable for monetization

00:44:36 ◼   ► objectivity videos aren't massively

00:44:38 ◼   ► watched so like this is not costing me

00:44:41 ◼   ► an amount of money that concerns me but

00:44:45 ◼   ► I am concerned about like the bigger

00:44:47 ◼   ► issue not like you know I'm a campaigner

00:44:49 ◼   ► I'm gonna change the world kind of way

00:44:50 ◼   ► but I do think it speaks to a bigger

00:44:52 ◼   ► issue about like art and showing things

00:44:55 ◼   ► and what's right and what's wrong and

00:44:57 ◼   ► what's suitable and not suitable you

00:44:58 ◼   ► have watch the video have you or yeah no

00:45:00 ◼   ► I watch the video alright tell me your

00:45:03 ◼   ► thoughts well first of all I recommend

00:45:04 ◼   ► everybody watch it cuz it was just

00:45:06 ◼   ► interesting to see I didn't know the

00:45:07 ◼   ► extra detail is about this work somehow

00:45:10 ◼   ► assume that the horse thing was like

00:45:12 ◼   ► one-off and seeing the animated early

00:45:15 ◼   ► videos of human motion was really

00:45:16 ◼   ► interesting I just genuinely liked it as

00:45:18 ◼   ► an objectivity video thank you but I was

00:45:21 ◼   ► watching this video and my perspective

00:45:23 ◼   ► on it was you selected video like so

00:45:26 ◼   ► when people hear you describe it right

00:45:28 ◼   ► you listener like whatever is in your

00:45:31 ◼   ► head when Brady just described the video

00:45:34 ◼   ► I can guarantee you what's in your head

00:45:37 ◼   ► is ten times more explicit than what is

00:45:41 ◼   ► in the actual video imagine a man

00:45:45 ◼   ► walking in a low-resolution image who's

00:45:49 ◼   ► walking sideways across the camera with

00:45:52 ◼   ► extraordinarily convenient leg placement

00:45:56 ◼   ► 95% of the time that's what's in the

00:45:59 ◼   ► video the level of nudity for the parts

00:46:02 ◼   ► that people care about is so trivial in

00:46:07 ◼   ► this video now when you say it was

00:46:09 ◼   ► flagged immediately that I'm not

00:46:11 ◼   ► surprised because from talking to people

00:46:13 ◼   ► who would know about these things

00:46:15 ◼   ► my understanding is that if there is one

00:46:17 ◼   ► thing that the army of artificial

00:46:19 ◼   ► intelligence bots at YouTube are

00:46:21 ◼   ► extraordinarily good at recognizing it's

00:46:25 ◼   ► naked people know that this is a thing

00:46:27 ◼   ► that the AIS have been trained on and

00:46:29 ◼   ► they can spot very reliably very

00:46:33 ◼   ► immediately

00:46:34 ◼   ► they have high-class Willie recognition

00:46:36 ◼   ► exactly right and this is to YouTube's

00:46:39 ◼   ► total credit like I have in my whole

00:46:41 ◼   ► life I think never ever seen anything

00:46:43 ◼   ► that remotely is pornography on the

00:46:46 ◼   ► channel right like they are deadly

00:46:49 ◼   ► serious and it's a relatively

00:46:51 ◼   ► straightforward thing for the system to

00:46:54 ◼   ► try to automatically flag as people

00:46:56 ◼   ► without clothing so I'm not surprised it

00:46:58 ◼   ► was caught instantly in the trap yeah

00:47:01 ◼   ► but I really think this is a very

00:47:05 ◼   ► interesting case that if this was

00:47:07 ◼   ► manually reviewed by an actual human I'm

00:47:11 ◼   ► gonna say I think this is kind of

00:47:14 ◼   ► outrageous to be classified as a video

00:47:18 ◼   ► that cannot be monetized I really think

00:47:22 ◼   ► this is like if you had a video where

00:47:24 ◼   ► you showed the Statue of David yeah

00:47:27 ◼   ► there's something about this that really

00:47:28 ◼   ► bothers me right where it's like artwork

00:47:30 ◼   ► or anything of scientific value is so

00:47:34 ◼   ► far on the one end of this extreme that

00:47:37 ◼   ► is like if we can't agree that this is

00:47:40 ◼   ► acceptable I feel like all hope is lost

00:47:43 ◼   ► if this is not acceptable I feel like

00:47:46 ◼   ► we've fallen into some kind of crazy

00:47:49 ◼   ► land where you can never know who knows

00:47:52 ◼   ► what's acceptable now I find it

00:47:53 ◼   ► genuinely upsetting that this has been

00:47:56 ◼   ► again if it was a human that this is the

00:47:58 ◼   ► verdict that has come down on this okay

00:48:00 ◼   ► just very quickly on that if it's not a

00:48:03 ◼   ► human that's even worse because that

00:48:06 ◼   ► they make it absolutely clear you have

00:48:07 ◼   ► no right to appeal there's nothing that

00:48:09 ◼   ► can be done about it the judge's

00:48:11 ◼   ► decision is final so if I've been turned

00:48:13 ◼   ► down by AI twice mm-hmm and no

00:48:15 ◼   ► correspondence will be entered into then

00:48:17 ◼   ► that is a little bit unfair but yeah we

00:48:19 ◼   ► don't know we don't know if it's a human

00:48:21 ◼   ► or not so we don't know I just say if

00:48:22 ◼   ► it's a human because I have some very

00:48:24 ◼   ► strong suspicions that at least some

00:48:27 ◼   ► portion of those manual reviews are not

00:48:29 ◼   ► actually going to a human that there's a

00:48:31 ◼   ► bot that's doing the first pass and

00:48:33 ◼   ► maybe it gets kicked up to a human maybe

00:48:35 ◼   ► it doesn't I don't have anything to

00:48:36 ◼   ► prove that but I just have a suspicion

00:48:38 ◼   ► that maybe that's partly the case yeah

00:48:39 ◼   ► anyway on the broader issue I'm the

00:48:42 ◼   ► first to admit if you pardon the pun

00:48:44 ◼   ► that I have skin in the game here so I

00:48:46 ◼   ► will

00:48:47 ◼   ► from the start that okay I'm a bit

00:48:50 ◼   ► biased but I also think it's a little

00:48:53 ◼   ► unfair I will say I do recognize that

00:48:56 ◼   ► Statue of David numerous famous

00:48:59 ◼   ► paintings you could mention venus de

00:49:02 ◼   ► milo all these things and not

00:49:04 ◼   ► photographs they're artworks but i mean

00:49:08 ◼   ► these things i was using a very old from

00:49:10 ◼   ► the 1800s black-and-white grainy

00:49:13 ◼   ► pictures that are really historically

00:49:15 ◼   ► significant

00:49:16 ◼   ► it was the pioneering images that led to

00:49:19 ◼   ► cinema it was really scientifically

00:49:21 ◼   ► significant work like this is like

00:49:23 ◼   ► important stuff in art and science right

00:49:26 ◼   ► it is in no way sexual or sexually

00:49:30 ◼   ► suggestive and that's what the youtubes

00:49:31 ◼   ► terms talk about they don't talk about

00:49:33 ◼   ► nudity as much as things that are you

00:49:36 ◼   ► know sexually suggestive these are in

00:49:37 ◼   ► roadway sexual and in kind of my like

00:49:41 ◼   ► amusement I went and had a look and

00:49:43 ◼   ► Google's own YouTube channel for art and

00:49:47 ◼   ► culture has numerous videos that show

00:49:50 ◼   ► naked bits of art interesting they even

00:49:53 ◼   ► have one where like it's popping up in

00:49:55 ◼   ► front of a little kid and the little

00:49:56 ◼   ► kids giggling although isn't that funny

00:49:58 ◼   ► because you know the person's not

00:49:59 ◼   ► wearing clothes and they have one way

00:50:01 ◼   ► that they could person's on like an iPad

00:50:02 ◼   ► screen and the kids like you know

00:50:04 ◼   ► manipulating it to zoom in and look at

00:50:06 ◼   ► it and things like that

00:50:06 ◼   ► like on their own channel they're quite

00:50:08 ◼   ► comfortable with nude art mm-hmm so I do

00:50:11 ◼   ► know the difference between photos and

00:50:13 ◼   ► art but if that's the defense which I

00:50:17 ◼   ► don't know what the defense is because I

00:50:18 ◼   ► haven't heard anything it doesn't wash

00:50:20 ◼   ► with me and what do I have to do now

00:50:22 ◼   ► should I have uploaded that video with

00:50:23 ◼   ► big you know black boxes over the top

00:50:27 ◼   ► supposed to do that kind of stuff drives

00:50:30 ◼   ► me even more crazy that would make me

00:50:31 ◼   ► look stupid

00:50:32 ◼   ► that would make everyone look stupid and

00:50:34 ◼   ► it makes everyone look stupid and it

00:50:36 ◼   ► also falls again into my very strong

00:50:39 ◼   ► feelings about this that like when you

00:50:43 ◼   ► go crazy about the prohibition of a

00:50:46 ◼   ► thing whatever that thing is is like

00:50:48 ◼   ► guess what you're the one who's making

00:50:51 ◼   ► it powerful or you're making it into a

00:50:55 ◼   ► thing that it isn't and so that's why

00:50:58 ◼   ► it's like if you start putting black

00:50:59 ◼   ► bars over like as we're had

00:51:01 ◼   ► this discussion I have on screen in

00:51:03 ◼   ► front of me probably the most in quotes

00:51:06 ◼   ► suggestive part which is a 135 where you

00:51:10 ◼   ► have the three film strips of the man

00:51:11 ◼   ► walking to the side the man walking

00:51:13 ◼   ► front and the man walking back you have

00:51:15 ◼   ► this blown up on a 27-inch screen that's

00:51:19 ◼   ► two feet from my face at HD resolution

00:51:23 ◼   ► right but of course I'm looking at a

00:51:25 ◼   ► thing that's from the 1800s

00:51:26 ◼   ► that's filmed at an angle there's not

00:51:29 ◼   ► four pixels of detail in this image here

00:51:33 ◼   ► to put a black bar over it is like a

00:51:35 ◼   ► mockery it's like what are you hiding

00:51:38 ◼   ► all that black bar is doing is like oh

00:51:40 ◼   ► right this is the black bar of shame

00:51:43 ◼   ► right because this is the thing that can

00:51:45 ◼   ► never be seen putting black bars on it

00:51:47 ◼   ► would sexualize err you don't get a

00:51:49 ◼   ► picture of Michelangelo's David and you

00:51:50 ◼   ► think that's a nice sculpture you put a

00:51:52 ◼   ► big black bar over his private parts and

00:51:55 ◼   ► suddenly it seems more sexual yeah it

00:51:57 ◼   ► totally does there was a meme a few

00:51:59 ◼   ► years ago which was fantastic where

00:52:01 ◼   ► people were pixel izing parts of

00:52:04 ◼   ► innocuous photos and it's amazing how

00:52:07 ◼   ► sexually suggestive you can make a

00:52:10 ◼   ► totally normal photo by very strategic

00:52:13 ◼   ► pixelization of particular moments so

00:52:16 ◼   ► the mean was you sure like the before

00:52:17 ◼   ► and after like with the pixelization or

00:52:19 ◼   ► without there's another meme which is

00:52:21 ◼   ► about like seeing the nudity and it's it

00:52:24 ◼   ► works surprisingly well were you take a

00:52:25 ◼   ► photograph of a fully clothed person and

00:52:28 ◼   ► you just put transparent circles on that

00:52:31 ◼   ► photograph in strategic spots and it's

00:52:33 ◼   ► so crazy but like your brain sort of

00:52:35 ◼   ► fills in what the person looked like

00:52:37 ◼   ► this kind of censorship I legitimately

00:52:40 ◼   ► think makes it more of what it isn't it

00:52:45 ◼   ► would be crazy for you to put black bars

00:52:48 ◼   ► on this video it would 100% achieve the

00:52:52 ◼   ► exact opposite purpose and make the very

00:52:56 ◼   ► thing that isn't something into

00:52:59 ◼   ► something so yeah it's so frustrating

00:53:01 ◼   ► it's absolutely frustrating I'll just

00:53:03 ◼   ► send you a tweet I did yesterday you

00:53:05 ◼   ► know just as an another case in point I

00:53:07 ◼   ► got a couple of famous cultural images

00:53:10 ◼   ► yep perfect

00:53:11 ◼   ► so Brady's just sent me his tweet with

00:53:13 ◼   ► Leonardo da Vinci

00:53:15 ◼   ► famous man in the circle right with the

00:53:17 ◼   ► black bar a strategically placed and the

00:53:20 ◼   ► Venus de Milo with a bar across her

00:53:23 ◼   ► chest

00:53:23 ◼   ► oh yeah unambiguously the bar makes the

00:53:28 ◼   ► images worse than they are without the

00:53:30 ◼   ► bar it's the thin end of a wedge isn't

00:53:31 ◼   ► it in terms of culture and history and

00:53:33 ◼   ► that when we start having to push this

00:53:36 ◼   ► stuff aside because we want to cater to

00:53:38 ◼   ► advertisers who they think might be

00:53:41 ◼   ► sensitive I'd be surprised if any

00:53:43 ◼   ► advertisers were sensitive about this

00:53:44 ◼   ► video by the way because what they're

00:53:45 ◼   ► going to do in the long run I mean

00:53:46 ◼   ► they're not going to change me but in

00:53:48 ◼   ► the long run people are going to stop

00:53:49 ◼   ► making the videos about certain subjects

00:53:52 ◼   ► because they can't monetize them and

00:53:53 ◼   ► then those subjects just fade out of

00:53:55 ◼   ► existence you know is there a whole

00:53:56 ◼   ► generation in period in art history that

00:53:59 ◼   ► is going to be disproportionately less

00:54:00 ◼   ► covered on YouTube because people can't

00:54:02 ◼   ► show the paintings yeah I mean we've

00:54:04 ◼   ► sort of skirted around this issue a

00:54:05 ◼   ► couple of times on the show but this is

00:54:07 ◼   ► why I think it's always dangerous to get

00:54:10 ◼   ► into the content filtering game yeah I

00:54:14 ◼   ► feel like all platforms should stay as

00:54:15 ◼   ► far away from this as they possibly can

00:54:17 ◼   ► because it is the thin end of the wedge

00:54:19 ◼   ► there's no winning even if you think

00:54:23 ◼   ► you're doing the right thing is like

00:54:25 ◼   ► this is a perfect case like would any

00:54:27 ◼   ► advertiser in the world actually care

00:54:28 ◼   ► about this no but I know for a fact that

00:54:32 ◼   ► this kind of D monetization does have a

00:54:36 ◼   ► chilling effect on the kinds of content

00:54:38 ◼   ► that people produce for the platform

00:54:42 ◼   ► we've said it before but I think YouTube

00:54:43 ◼   ► and platforms like it are big enough

00:54:46 ◼   ► that I don't think you can play the oh

00:54:49 ◼   ► it's just a company card anymore I think

00:54:53 ◼   ► at a certain point it becomes so vital

00:54:57 ◼   ► for speech that this kind of stuff

00:54:59 ◼   ► really matters and this objectivity

00:55:01 ◼   ► video is just like a perfect example

00:55:03 ◼   ► because you have everything going for

00:55:07 ◼   ► you like it's historically significant

00:55:10 ◼   ► it's barely visible is the most

00:55:13 ◼   ► innocuous video imaginable and if this

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00:55:20 ◼   ► hope is there for anything that is

00:55:24 ◼   ► remotely near and interesting

00:55:28 ◼   ► edge there's no hope at all for that

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00:58:23 ◼   ► school like once a year would you have a

00:58:24 ◼   ► photo taken of the whole class that

00:58:25 ◼   ► would go into like yeah a yearbook or

00:58:27 ◼   ► and your parents could buy one and would

00:58:29 ◼   ► they take a loved one one of you on your

00:58:31 ◼   ► own as well each year school look here's

00:58:33 ◼   ► CGP grey when he was in year 2 and here

00:58:35 ◼   ► he is in year 3 here his class photos

00:58:37 ◼   ► all through the years school photos I

00:58:40 ◼   ► haven't thought about this in forever

00:58:44 ◼   ► this is something that maybe in another

00:58:45 ◼   ► five years would have totally passed out

00:58:47 ◼   ► of my mind but yes I'm glad I saved it

00:58:51 ◼   ► oh right these are some neural pathways

00:58:54 ◼   ► left untouched for a very long period of

00:58:57 ◼   ► time well they can be quite damaging

00:58:58 ◼   ► memories too like maybe you have

00:59:00 ◼   ► repressed memories thing the one kid in

00:59:03 ◼   ► the class photo who like has his or her

00:59:05 ◼   ► eyes shut that sticks with you for years

00:59:07 ◼   ► I mean I'll take your word for it

00:59:11 ◼   ► but none of my memories are surfacing

00:59:14 ◼   ► that piece of information

00:59:15 ◼   ► you obviously have good photo face I'm

00:59:18 ◼   ► terrible at having my photo taken is

00:59:19 ◼   ► that what we're going to have here is

00:59:20 ◼   ► Brady therapy corner for your old school

00:59:23 ◼   ► photos well maybe it is I don't know let

00:59:26 ◼   ► me tell you what's got me thinking about

00:59:27 ◼   ► this let me send you a photo okay

00:59:30 ◼   ► unfortunately I can't share this with

00:59:32 ◼   ► the collective because it's a it

00:59:33 ◼   ► involves a whole bunch of people whose

00:59:34 ◼   ► permission we don't have right but this

00:59:37 ◼   ► is the class photo of my nephew so my

00:59:41 ◼   ► sister sent it to me and said have a

00:59:42 ◼   ► look at the cute class photo this is not

00:59:44 ◼   ► how I remember class photos looking but

00:59:46 ◼   ► you know we live in a new age now whoa

00:59:48 ◼   ► what what what it no this is weird this

00:59:50 ◼   ► is not a class photo what do you think

00:59:53 ◼   ► of that okay let me just set the

00:59:55 ◼   ► vacation so in my head need class photo

00:59:59 ◼   ► is

00:59:59 ◼   ► is

01:00:00 ◼   ► is you shuffle everybody down to the gym

01:00:02 ◼   ► yeah and you're sitting on the bleachers

01:00:04 ◼   ► so there's some height difference

01:00:06 ◼   ► between everybody yeah maybe there's

01:00:08 ◼   ► like a little plaque in the front where

01:00:10 ◼   ► someone has put the words on that says

01:00:12 ◼   ► what this is a photo of yeah and that's

01:00:14 ◼   ► where you take the picture Jones Smith

01:00:16 ◼   ► high schoo year three yeah

01:00:20 ◼   ► 1987 yeah you want to be real fancy you

01:00:23 ◼   ► go outside into the bleachers so there's

01:00:24 ◼   ► trees in the background that's wow you

01:00:26 ◼   ► had some nice ones right I went to a

01:00:28 ◼   ► very posh school would us be like the

01:00:30 ◼   ► whole year level it would be broken into

01:00:32 ◼   ► classes in homeroom so it's like groups

01:00:33 ◼   ► of 30 or were you like a group of like a

01:00:35 ◼   ► hundred or something like my rusty

01:00:37 ◼   ► memories are that it like in primary

01:00:39 ◼   ► school it was just the class yeah and

01:00:42 ◼   ► that in high school they shuffled

01:00:44 ◼   ► everybody out onto the bleachers yeah

01:00:46 ◼   ► the whole bunch think but I could be

01:00:48 ◼   ► wrong about that so explain this one

01:00:50 ◼   ► that I sent to you I think most people

01:00:52 ◼   ► have that image in their head hopefully

01:00:53 ◼   ► that we've always done insane this is my

01:00:55 ◼   ► nephew this is the new generation of

01:00:57 ◼   ► class photos how would you describe this

01:00:58 ◼   ► one okay well just like with movies I

01:01:01 ◼   ► know you want my opinion at first I'm

01:01:02 ◼   ► gonna give this class photo a thumbs

01:01:03 ◼   ► down it's really weird

01:01:05 ◼   ► and what makes it weird is okay so

01:01:08 ◼   ► instead of the kids sitting in the

01:01:10 ◼   ► bleachers they are all standing in a

01:01:13 ◼   ► line next to each other so that it's

01:01:16 ◼   ► just all of the kids in a big row facing

01:01:19 ◼   ► the camera facing the camera facing wide

01:01:21 ◼   ► like a panorama shot isn't it yeah it's

01:01:24 ◼   ► I give you were there with your iPhone

01:01:25 ◼   ► you would need to put it into panorama

01:01:27 ◼   ► mode to take this picture

01:01:28 ◼   ► yeah the background is an empty void of

01:01:32 ◼   ► nothing it's just a pure white

01:01:35 ◼   ► background which makes me wonder like

01:01:38 ◼   ► was that they roll out the like the

01:01:40 ◼   ► green screen for this this photograph it

01:01:43 ◼   ► kind of looks like it is a clothing

01:01:45 ◼   ► catalog for the uniform that these kids

01:01:49 ◼   ► are wearing yeah like if I didn't know

01:01:51 ◼   ► any better I would almost assume this

01:01:53 ◼   ► was an advertisement in a magazine

01:01:55 ◼   ► that's like hey look at these uniforms

01:01:58 ◼   ► for these kids the kids are they're not

01:02:00 ◼   ► just standing in a line all looking at

01:02:03 ◼   ► the camera they look very posed and it

01:02:05 ◼   ► looked very posed like it's and magazine

01:02:07 ◼   ► was like oh here's a kid and the kids on

01:02:09 ◼   ► either side have who were taller had

01:02:11 ◼   ► their hands on his shoulder right Simon

01:02:13 ◼   ► got their arms crossed and some have got

01:02:14 ◼   ► like sassy poses with a hand on their on

01:02:16 ◼   ► their hips yes I'm looking at a couple

01:02:18 ◼   ► of the girls have like the very standard

01:02:21 ◼   ► photo pose of hands on hips like one

01:02:24 ◼   ► knee a little bit forward

01:02:26 ◼   ► it looks really strange I have this

01:02:28 ◼   ► feeling like a like again a kind of meme

01:02:30 ◼   ► that you see sometimes on the Internet

01:02:31 ◼   ► is where if you look in a catalog

01:02:33 ◼   ► someone will sometimes post these images

01:02:35 ◼   ► where you can see that the person doing

01:02:37 ◼   ► the Photoshop job has messed up and

01:02:39 ◼   ► there's an extra hand where a hand

01:02:40 ◼   ► shouldn't be because someone was

01:02:42 ◼   ► photoshopped out of the scene right or

01:02:44 ◼   ► there's like something's really weird

01:02:45 ◼   ► that you don't notice at first and this

01:02:47 ◼   ► photo feels like I wouldn't be surprised

01:02:50 ◼   ► to learn this is actually a composite

01:02:52 ◼   ► photo of a bunch of shots gray it

01:02:55 ◼   ► totally is they were photographed as

01:02:57 ◼   ► like in twos or threes right okay

01:02:59 ◼   ► separately and then they were all put

01:03:01 ◼   ► together afterwards into this big long

01:03:02 ◼   ► line yeah there's one that has like it's

01:03:05 ◼   ► like a seam yeah it looks strange it's

01:03:06 ◼   ► the one mistake they made the rest of it

01:03:08 ◼   ► was actually done pretty well but I'm a

01:03:10 ◼   ► little bit mortified by this I have some

01:03:12 ◼   ► feelings about it but tell me why are

01:03:14 ◼   ► you mortified I know I'm like old

01:03:16 ◼   ► fashioned right and we live in this

01:03:18 ◼   ► digital age but there are a few things

01:03:20 ◼   ► about doing class photos so digitally

01:03:22 ◼   ► and I've seen this a lot lately class

01:03:23 ◼   ► photos now are amazing they're like

01:03:25 ◼   ► they're so different to what they used

01:03:26 ◼   ► to be they're like portraits one of my

01:03:28 ◼   ► other nephews I saw his class photos the

01:03:30 ◼   ► other day and it was like a photo shoot

01:03:31 ◼   ► from another world with all that lovely

01:03:33 ◼   ► bakker and you know everything's all

01:03:35 ◼   ► amazing and there's like these candid

01:03:36 ◼   ► poses rhinorrhea one thing which was in

01:03:40 ◼   ► my old high school yearbook like the

01:03:43 ◼   ► photographer came to the school and did

01:03:44 ◼   ► the did the photo shoots and said

01:03:46 ◼   ► everybody looks the same yeah but one of

01:03:48 ◼   ► the girls her father worked in the

01:03:50 ◼   ► fashion industry and like she had a

01:03:52 ◼   ► photo that stood out right as as

01:03:53 ◼   ► noticeably different because it was just

01:03:56 ◼   ► crazy professional I do is never being

01:03:58 ◼   ► like I was that kid I don't think I

01:04:01 ◼   ► would want this so when you say that

01:04:02 ◼   ► they look different I can easily imagine

01:04:03 ◼   ► what you're talking about I don't know

01:04:05 ◼   ► if there was just of rites of passage

01:04:07 ◼   ► thing about class photos that I don't

01:04:10 ◼   ► know it felt like it gave me life

01:04:11 ◼   ► lessons and it was character building

01:04:13 ◼   ► and I feel like that's all been taken

01:04:15 ◼   ► away for example in the old days of

01:04:17 ◼   ► photos when they didn't have you know

01:04:19 ◼   ► digital cameras and we all lined up and

01:04:20 ◼   ► had our individual photos taken it was

01:04:23 ◼   ► like your one charts that would go bang

01:04:24 ◼   ► and then you wouldn't say anything think

01:04:26 ◼   ► weeks and six weeks later you'd be given

01:04:29 ◼   ► like these envelopes to take home for

01:04:30 ◼   ► your parents where they would say do you

01:04:32 ◼   ► want to buy some of these I'm the kid

01:04:34 ◼   ► and like if your eyes were shut or you'd

01:04:36 ◼   ► go to prom or something like you'd blown

01:04:38 ◼   ► your chance I had one chance and like

01:04:41 ◼   ► you didn't know if you'd done it or not

01:04:42 ◼   ► and that teaches you a lot about life

01:04:44 ◼   ► like surreptitiously because laughs like

01:04:46 ◼   ► that sometimes you know you had your one

01:04:48 ◼   ► chance and don't blow it kid

01:04:50 ◼   ► that's the lesson you should learn in

01:04:51 ◼   ► life it's kind of like but now it's like

01:04:53 ◼   ► let's take a thousand until we get it

01:04:54 ◼   ► perfect and and it's the same with the

01:04:56 ◼   ► class photo you know be having someone

01:04:59 ◼   ► who has their eyes share in the photo I

01:05:01 ◼   ► mean that doesn't happen now because

01:05:02 ◼   ► they do them all separately that's why

01:05:03 ◼   ► they're doing this so that no kid is

01:05:05 ◼   ► gonna have a stinker because if you put

01:05:07 ◼   ► twenty kids in a line you have to take a

01:05:09 ◼   ► thousand photos until you get the one

01:05:11 ◼   ► you need but here you're taking away

01:05:12 ◼   ► that problem by just doing them in pairs

01:05:14 ◼   ► making sure everyone's eyes are open and

01:05:16 ◼   ► things like that and like so it's just

01:05:19 ◼   ► taking away that kind of randomness and

01:05:21 ◼   ► it's also taking away like the

01:05:22 ◼   ► camaraderie of a class photo it was the

01:05:25 ◼   ► one time you're all together and you be

01:05:26 ◼   ► all lined up by height and you'd learn

01:05:28 ◼   ► how tall you all were in relation to

01:05:29 ◼   ► each other and you'd secretly be hoping

01:05:31 ◼   ► that you'd end up in the photo somewhere

01:05:33 ◼   ► close to like the girl you had a crush

01:05:34 ◼   ► on or something and there's so much

01:05:36 ◼   ► going on in the class photo and it was

01:05:38 ◼   ► just all character building stuff and

01:05:40 ◼   ► then you try to get bunny ears on the

01:05:42 ◼   ► kid who's in front of you yeah and then

01:05:43 ◼   ► you get to take a funny one at the end

01:05:45 ◼   ► if you're like in the older kids like

01:05:46 ◼   ► it's your final year school you'd say

01:05:48 ◼   ► can we do a funny one where you all do a

01:05:49 ◼   ► crazy pose and they'll take one of those

01:05:51 ◼   ► and also like I don't know if it was

01:05:53 ◼   ► just made me or not I've told people

01:05:55 ◼   ► about this and they say it is just me

01:05:56 ◼   ► but I never knew what day the school

01:05:58 ◼   ► photos were gonna be and you just turn

01:06:00 ◼   ► up one day and like the photograph

01:06:01 ◼   ► company is there having taken over the

01:06:03 ◼   ► gymnasium or something and it's like I'm

01:06:04 ◼   ► a goodness at school photo day you know

01:06:06 ◼   ► what a surprise and it's a big part of

01:06:09 ◼   ► most memories of school and these photos

01:06:11 ◼   ► become a big part of your life and you

01:06:14 ◼   ► know you look back at your old school

01:06:15 ◼   ► photos occasionally so I don't know this

01:06:18 ◼   ► is a case where I think the digital path

01:06:19 ◼   ► is getting rid of some problems but it's

01:06:23 ◼   ► also taking away a lot of charm and a

01:06:25 ◼   ► lot of character building and a lot of I

01:06:27 ◼   ► don't know maybe I'm just overly

01:06:30 ◼   ► sentimental I mean look I'm very happy

01:06:32 ◼   ► to be the first one in the pylon of

01:06:34 ◼   ► Brady is too sentimental I got my front

01:06:36 ◼   ► row ticket to that party but like I am

01:06:39 ◼   ► totally with you on this school

01:06:40 ◼   ► photo thing great auks oh sorry one

01:06:42 ◼   ► other point I didn't make it also like

01:06:45 ◼   ► is instilling in a really interesting

01:06:47 ◼   ► lesson about fakery because this photo

01:06:50 ◼   ► is designed to look like they're all

01:06:51 ◼   ► together at once these kids know they

01:06:53 ◼   ► weren't riously because that incident

01:06:55 ◼   ► never happened that's a moment in

01:06:56 ◼   ► history that never happened that they've

01:06:58 ◼   ► all now got as a keepsake for all time

01:06:59 ◼   ► and it's just instilling at an early age

01:07:01 ◼   ► that nothing is real yeah I mean maybe

01:07:05 ◼   ► to be devil's advocate for a moment

01:07:07 ◼   ► that's the most important lesson that

01:07:08 ◼   ► you can teach children these days kids

01:07:12 ◼   ► you live in a world where you can trust

01:07:14 ◼   ► nothing that you see yeah okay they did

01:07:16 ◼   ► the reverse is also true

01:07:17 ◼   ► it also instills early on that nothing

01:07:19 ◼   ► has to be real we'll fix it all in the

01:07:21 ◼   ► Edit everything can be fixed in the Edit

01:07:24 ◼   ► we'll fix it all in the edit but I don't

01:07:25 ◼   ► like it because I said if you were going

01:07:27 ◼   ► to take a picture of this with your

01:07:27 ◼   ► iPhone you need to take it like a

01:07:29 ◼   ► panorama but the thing that's that's

01:07:32 ◼   ► weird isn't like in a panorama everybody

01:07:34 ◼   ► would be at a different angle all right

01:07:37 ◼   ► like you would be rotating the camera

01:07:39 ◼   ► and so not all of the kids would be the

01:07:42 ◼   ► exact same distance from the camera and

01:07:44 ◼   ► in this photo it's like oh right of

01:07:47 ◼   ► course all of these kids are looking

01:07:50 ◼   ► straight ahead into a camera but there's

01:07:53 ◼   ► a line of 20 of them side by side so

01:07:56 ◼   ► there is no place you could put the

01:07:58 ◼   ► camera to actually get this photo the

01:08:01 ◼   ► way it looks with all of them standing

01:08:04 ◼   ► in a straight line except a mile away

01:08:06 ◼   ► with a telephoto zoom at an infinite

01:08:08 ◼   ► distance you could capture this

01:08:11 ◼   ► photograph right and since it seems like

01:08:13 ◼   ► they're standing in a Euclidean fantasy

01:08:16 ◼   ► land right where there's just infinite

01:08:19 ◼   ► nothing in all direction maybe that's

01:08:21 ◼   ► where this photograph was actually taken

01:08:23 ◼   ► but this is a case where psych I'm all

01:08:25 ◼   ► fine with digital stuff but if you're

01:08:27 ◼   ► doing the digital stuff it has to look

01:08:30 ◼   ► right this just looks terrible my big

01:08:32 ◼   ► vote for why were school photograph days

01:08:36 ◼   ► great is not for lessons learned or any

01:08:41 ◼   ► of that sentimentality stuff my

01:08:43 ◼   ► perspective on it was just oh thank god

01:08:46 ◼   ► it's a day that's different

01:08:48 ◼   ► it's a different day at the school we're

01:08:51 ◼   ► not going through the same routine you

01:08:53 ◼   ► would hope that it would land

01:08:54 ◼   ► someday with the extra boring classes

01:08:56 ◼   ► that you don't like and I feel like poor

01:08:58 ◼   ► kids the school routine it's you know

01:09:00 ◼   ► it's the same thing day in day out and

01:09:03 ◼   ► any chance you can get to like go

01:09:05 ◼   ► outside and sit in the bleachers that's

01:09:08 ◼   ► way better whereas I can already see

01:09:09 ◼   ► that from a school perspective they sure

01:09:11 ◼   ► would love this because it can also be

01:09:14 ◼   ► much less disruptive right you can just

01:09:15 ◼   ► catch some kids whenever they're

01:09:17 ◼   ► available you don't necessarily have to

01:09:19 ◼   ► mess up the whole schedule take them out

01:09:20 ◼   ► two or three at a time yeah this modern

01:09:22 ◼   ► world Brady you know can I tell you one

01:09:25 ◼   ► of my journalistic war stories that just

01:09:27 ◼   ► came into my head please please do so

01:09:29 ◼   ► back in the newspaper days when

01:09:31 ◼   ► photoshopping was like a high-tech like

01:09:34 ◼   ► normal people couldn't do it this was

01:09:35 ◼   ► many many moons ago like analogue

01:09:37 ◼   ► photoshopping is that the kind of stuff

01:09:39 ◼   ► word document I don't know what we're

01:09:40 ◼   ► exactly the technology was at but sort

01:09:42 ◼   ► of certainly this story will give you an

01:09:44 ◼   ► idea where the technology was at because

01:09:45 ◼   ► my beat was covering like the City

01:09:48 ◼   ► Council and I'd done it for a while and

01:09:50 ◼   ► I had really good context and I was a

01:09:51 ◼   ► really good mischief maker my favorite

01:09:53 ◼   ► stories weren't like you know the

01:09:55 ◼   ► important stuff that was being done in

01:09:56 ◼   ► the council it was like making mischief

01:09:58 ◼   ► as my specialty mm-hm and I knew the

01:10:01 ◼   ► council was having like their official

01:10:03 ◼   ► portrait taken this was the 20 members

01:10:05 ◼   ► of the City Council whoever they the

01:10:07 ◼   ► elected members I can't remember how

01:10:09 ◼   ► many there were and they were having

01:10:10 ◼   ► their equivalent of a class photo done

01:10:12 ◼   ► and they were wearing all the official

01:10:14 ◼   ► regalia all the formal robes of the City

01:10:16 ◼   ► Council and the traditional stuff and it

01:10:18 ◼   ► was being done in the council chamber

01:10:19 ◼   ► which is a lovely ornate room where they

01:10:22 ◼   ► would have their meetings but the doors

01:10:23 ◼   ► were locked and I wasn't allowed in

01:10:25 ◼   ► which made me suspicious but anyway I

01:10:28 ◼   ► wandered by and I looked through the

01:10:29 ◼   ► keyhole at one point and I saw them all

01:10:32 ◼   ► in their robes and getting ready and

01:10:34 ◼   ► standing in lions to have their photo

01:10:35 ◼   ► taken they were doing it the

01:10:36 ◼   ► old-fashioned way with you know short

01:10:38 ◼   ► people at the front tall people in the

01:10:39 ◼   ► second row mm-hm and one of like the

01:10:42 ◼   ► council officials like one of like the

01:10:43 ◼   ► PR people who was not a councillor he

01:10:46 ◼   ► was just like a lackey a staff member

01:10:47 ◼   ► was wearing all the regalia and the

01:10:49 ◼   ► robes and I was so confused but an

01:10:52 ◼   ► unlearning oven and then the next day I

01:10:55 ◼   ► was talking to one of the other

01:10:55 ◼   ► counselors and I said I was looking

01:10:57 ◼   ► through the keyhole and I saw what's his

01:10:59 ◼   ► chops wearing the robes what the heck

01:11:00 ◼   ► was that all about and she said oh look

01:11:02 ◼   ► I'm not supposed to tell you but I will

01:11:05 ◼   ► because there were such gossips

01:11:07 ◼   ► so and so the counselor couldn't be

01:11:10 ◼   ► there because he was sick so they got

01:11:12 ◼   ► this person to stand in the photo and

01:11:14 ◼   ► then they used modern technology to put

01:11:17 ◼   ► that person's head on the photo mm-hmm

01:11:20 ◼   ► and I was like no way

01:11:21 ◼   ► so like a couple of days later when the

01:11:23 ◼   ► official photo got released to the press

01:11:25 ◼   ► you know here's the council photo which

01:11:27 ◼   ► is something we'd normally would have

01:11:28 ◼   ► just ignored cuz who cares

01:11:29 ◼   ► mm-hmm either cold the council and ask

01:11:31 ◼   ► for an official statement about whether

01:11:33 ◼   ► councillor Jones or whatever who's in

01:11:35 ◼   ► the photo it was that really him so they

01:11:37 ◼   ► had to like fess up that it wasn't and

01:11:39 ◼   ► that was such an unusual thing to happen

01:11:41 ◼   ► and it was considered like so scandalous

01:11:43 ◼   ► that it became it was like page 3 or

01:11:45 ◼   ► page 5 or the paper or something one of

01:11:46 ◼   ► these counselors is not really there

01:11:48 ◼   ► it's a you know it's a pretend photo it

01:11:50 ◼   ► wasn't like a scandal like the count you

01:11:51 ◼   ► know people should be sacked but it was

01:11:53 ◼   ► like funny and embarrassing for them and

01:11:56 ◼   ► it was a big thing yeah but now you

01:11:57 ◼   ► think nothing of it you know school

01:11:59 ◼   ► photos are Photoshop but back then

01:12:01 ◼   ► having like someone's head put onto

01:12:03 ◼   ► another body for the official portrait

01:12:05 ◼   ► you know what I still think that's wrong

01:12:06 ◼   ► to this day look at you Brady rustling

01:12:09 ◼   ► up trouble where there's no trouble at

01:12:10 ◼   ► all trying to kick up a scandal for some

01:12:13 ◼   ► poor guy probably staying at home

01:12:14 ◼   ► because he's sick no I took this day I

01:12:16 ◼   ► think it's wrong when you go through the

01:12:18 ◼   ► holes of City Council and you look at

01:12:20 ◼   ► all those portraits over the year the

01:12:22 ◼   ► photos of all the previous councils

01:12:24 ◼   ► knowing that photos not a real photo and

01:12:25 ◼   ► they all weren't there in one place it's

01:12:29 ◼   ► wrong it's wrong it's not a document of

01:12:31 ◼   ► a moment they were all together that's

01:12:32 ◼   ► what bothers me photographs are

01:12:35 ◼   ► sometimes documents of amazing times in

01:12:37 ◼   ► history when you know you look at those

01:12:39 ◼   ► photos where like you see all these

01:12:41 ◼   ► famous scientists in one photo like

01:12:42 ◼   ► Einstein and Niels Bohr and yeah and I

01:12:45 ◼   ► know the exactly what you're thinking of

01:12:46 ◼   ► yeah it leaps right to my head yeah

01:12:48 ◼   ► imagine if you found out actually two of

01:12:51 ◼   ► those people weren't there and they just

01:12:52 ◼   ► put their heads on later the thing

01:12:53 ◼   ► that's special about that photo is they

01:12:55 ◼   ► were all in one place at one time yeah

01:12:57 ◼   ► and it's the same with a school photo

01:12:59 ◼   ► this thing about a school photo is they

01:13:01 ◼   ► were all there if you were sick on

01:13:03 ◼   ► school photo day back in my day you

01:13:04 ◼   ► weren't in the school photo absent you

01:13:06 ◼   ► know tuflow jones you've been erased

01:13:08 ◼   ► from history and again that's a life

01:13:11 ◼   ► lesson if you're not there you're not

01:13:13 ◼   ► there but these days there's no lesson

01:13:15 ◼   ► like that these days if you're not there

01:13:17 ◼   ► we'll just put you there later

01:13:18 ◼   ► that's not how life works but maybe it

01:13:21 ◼   ► is Brady its how it works now gray it's

01:13:25 ◼   ► plane crash corner time it'll be a quick

01:13:30 ◼   ► one there's just been so much happening

01:13:32 ◼   ► this car is bursting at the seams I feel