Roderick on the Line

00:00:01 ◼   ► [Music] [TS]

00:00:05 ◼   ► hello hey John hi Merlin how's it going [TS]

00:00:10 ◼   ► good good I just texted you and I said [TS]

00:00:13 ◼   ► good to go and you responded real real [TS]

00:00:20 ◼   ► real good to go you've been traveling a [TS]

00:00:23 ◼   ► lot lately have you been picking up new [TS]

00:00:24 ◼   ► internet jargon uh well you know you [TS]

00:00:26 ◼   ► wouldn't have to be travelling to pick [TS]

00:00:28 ◼   ► up new internet Johnsons it's a very [TS]

00:00:29 ◼   ► very good point but but the provincial [TS]

00:00:32 ◼   ► thinking that I bring to this [TS]

00:00:33 ◼   ► conversation well I know you also think [TS]

00:00:35 ◼   ► that the internet is in person and that [TS]

00:00:37 ◼   ► when you go around you're just seeing [TS]

00:00:39 ◼   ► different Internet's yeah I mean you [TS]

00:00:41 ◼   ► know corporations could be people yeah [TS]

00:00:43 ◼   ► of course yeah plants can be people have [TS]

00:00:47 ◼   ► a plan so how's it going all right [TS]

00:00:52 ◼   ► oh yeah pretty much have we not talked [TS]

00:00:54 ◼   ► in a long time surely you've not talked [TS]

00:00:56 ◼   ► in a long time it seems like a long time [TS]

00:00:59 ◼   ► um I'm gonna come up with a name for how [TS]

00:01:03 ◼   ► I find out whether you're recording or [TS]

00:01:05 ◼   ► not and it's a lot it's a process [TS]

00:01:07 ◼   ► mm-hmm involves me texting you texting [TS]

00:01:11 ◼   ► members of your family and your circle [TS]

00:01:14 ◼   ► mm-hmm is John okay it's gone okay [TS]

00:01:17 ◼   ► that's a popular text yeah I mean you [TS]

00:01:20 ◼   ► ghost me sometimes which is normal but [TS]

00:01:23 ◼   ► like I hadn't heard from you in a while [TS]

00:01:24 ◼   ► and I was getting a little bit frantic [TS]

00:01:25 ◼   ► cuz I had to do a little bit of a risk [TS]

00:01:27 ◼   ► edge [TS]

00:01:27 ◼   ► yeah and I was getting worried when it [TS]

00:01:30 ◼   ► started I texted your baby mama I was [TS]

00:01:32 ◼   ► looking at your Instagram because [TS]

00:01:33 ◼   ► sometimes sometimes I can get a little [TS]

00:01:34 ◼   ► bit Sherlock Holmes and I can gather the [TS]

00:01:36 ◼   ► facts if I see see that you're on the [TS]

00:01:39 ◼   ► East Coast on a Sunday night then [TS]

00:01:42 ◼   ► sometimes it's a clue but I like to get [TS]

00:01:43 ◼   ► confirmation from the source as they say [TS]

00:01:45 ◼   ► in journalism but you had an extra [TS]

00:01:48 ◼   ► wrinkle you don't need to address that [TS]

00:01:50 ◼   ► but but the other wrinkle is which you [TS]

00:01:52 ◼   ► of course you could I think your phone [TS]

00:01:54 ◼   ► broke I broke my phone oh Jesus it [TS]

00:01:57 ◼   ► actually I think that it saved me save [TS]

00:02:00 ◼   ► me considerable injury I'm not sure how [TS]

00:02:03 ◼   ► but the the amount of energy that it [TS]

00:02:05 ◼   ► absorbed if it had not absorbed it it [TS]

00:02:10 ◼   ► would have been absorbed by my body and [TS]

00:02:13 ◼   ► Amyx John is that how that works oh that [TS]

00:02:16 ◼   ► is a you know like I've thought about [TS]

00:02:18 ◼   ► this quite a bit yeah is that exactly [TS]

00:02:20 ◼   ► true or did it just but no the damage [TS]

00:02:22 ◼   ► that it sustained it didn't just [TS]

00:02:25 ◼   ► transfer the the energy directly through [TS]

00:02:28 ◼   ► itself into me [TS]

00:02:29 ◼   ► you see there's there's physical damage [TS]

00:02:30 ◼   ► but then there's a deeper kind of [TS]

00:02:32 ◼   ► Newtonian whack Amole that goes on here [TS]

00:02:35 ◼   ► I'm wondering right I mean I am NOT a [TS]

00:02:38 ◼   ► scientist no right although I play one [TS]

00:02:41 ◼   ► on TV [TS]

00:02:42 ◼   ► me too yeah but yeah surely if it was if [TS]

00:02:47 ◼   ► I had fallen on a phone shaped piece of [TS]

00:02:53 ◼   ► like hardened steel I think that that [TS]

00:02:57 ◼   ► phone shaped piece of hardened steel [TS]

00:02:59 ◼   ► would have done a better job of [TS]

00:03:00 ◼   ► communicating the the energy the [TS]

00:03:04 ◼   ► destructive energy of of my fall just [TS]

00:03:09 ◼   ► directly into my body but this phone [TS]

00:03:11 ◼   ► crushed and bent in a way I've never [TS]

00:03:16 ◼   ► seen it phone I mean I'm surely surely [TS]

00:03:18 ◼   ► on the internet there are websites just [TS]

00:03:21 ◼   ► showing pictures of destroyed phones and [TS]

00:03:23 ◼   ► mine belongs on there are you burying [TS]

00:03:26 ◼   ► the lede here did you fall down go boom [TS]

00:03:27 ◼   ► I did yeah I bet John I felt the dump no [TS]

00:03:37 ◼   ► are you serious this is real yeah I you [TS]

00:03:41 ◼   ► know the dump is very so the new dump [TS]

00:03:43 ◼   ► and this is your enemy John Michael no I [TS]

00:03:46 ◼   ► love the dump but the dump the dump has [TS]

00:03:49 ◼   ► a very greasy floor hmm and I got greasy [TS]

00:03:52 ◼   ► grease on my boots and then I climbed up [TS]

00:03:54 ◼   ► on this trailer and the trail and I was [TS]

00:03:56 ◼   ► standing on the it was a dumper a dumper [TS]

00:03:59 ◼   ► trailer as they say I climbed up on the [TS]

00:04:01 ◼   ► fender of the dumper and the dumper was [TS]

00:04:04 ◼   ► all the way in the dump position so I'm [TS]

00:04:07 ◼   ► on the fender trying to reach up and get [TS]

00:04:09 ◼   ► the garbage out of the very top of the [TS]

00:04:12 ◼   ► dumper and the and my boots just slid [TS]

00:04:15 ◼   ► out because the because Oh what was [TS]

00:04:17 ◼   ► happening was my partner was like I'm [TS]

00:04:19 ◼   ► gonna move [TS]

00:04:20 ◼   ► truck and he got in the he got in the [TS]

00:04:24 ◼   ► driver's seat and I was like okay do I [TS]

00:04:26 ◼   ► stay up here while he moves it it's [TS]

00:04:29 ◼   ► gonna shake or do I like kind of climb [TS]

00:04:32 ◼   ► down and in that moment a lot to cover [TS]

00:04:35 ◼   ► first of all your partner is your dumb [TS]

00:04:37 ◼   ► partner my dumb partner okay okay it's [TS]

00:04:39 ◼   ► not your business partner or your [TS]

00:04:40 ◼   ► special friend no no a dump pal okay you [TS]

00:04:43 ◼   ► got a dump buddy so you and your dump [TS]

00:04:46 ◼   ► buddy are you dropping off we're not [TS]

00:04:49 ◼   ► picking up okay well you know yeah like [TS]

00:04:52 ◼   ► you've never done that like you've never [TS]

00:04:53 ◼   ► picked up something on the way out [TS]

00:04:55 ◼   ► well sure but sure of course I have but [TS]

00:04:57 ◼   ► you would have to be there to drop off [TS]

00:05:00 ◼   ► in order to be there to pick up you know [TS]

00:05:02 ◼   ► you wouldn't just go there for window [TS]

00:05:04 ◼   ► shopping Goodwill no then this is a [TS]

00:05:08 ◼   ► proper dump it's not just like a take [TS]

00:05:10 ◼   ► your old stereo down and leave it by the [TS]

00:05:12 ◼   ► side of a thing it's like no no no [TS]

00:05:14 ◼   ► people are dumb the reason the floor is [TS]

00:05:16 ◼   ► so greasy is people are obviously [TS]

00:05:19 ◼   ► dumping a bunch of grease and other [TS]

00:05:20 ◼   ► garbage volunteer so anyway my feet fly [TS]

00:05:24 ◼   ► out from under me and I and it's a [TS]

00:05:26 ◼   ► situation at this point where I am my [TS]

00:05:29 ◼   ► ass is six to eight feet above the [TS]

00:05:34 ◼   ► cement floor oh no is it covered areas [TS]

00:05:38 ◼   ► it is in a covered area Oh hence the [TS]

00:05:41 ◼   ► grease and the car I get it okay and [TS]

00:05:43 ◼   ► there are bulldozers driving around and [TS]

00:05:45 ◼   ► city dump trucks driving around [TS]

00:05:47 ◼   ► everybody's driving around real fast and [TS]

00:05:49 ◼   ► I start to fall and I'm like well that's [TS]

00:05:51 ◼   ► it for me because if I I had no control [TS]

00:05:54 ◼   ► right I realize oh shit yeah my feet [TS]

00:05:58 ◼   ► were gone so I was a severed saddle [TS]

00:06:01 ◼   ► Passover Tico there was no I was not [TS]

00:06:04 ◼   ► gonna like regain my feet right and I [TS]

00:06:07 ◼   ► fall and my and I land on the fender of [TS]

00:06:11 ◼   ► the trailer which is in a kind of like [TS]

00:06:15 ◼   ► half up or you know at this point like I [TS]

00:06:18 ◼   ► fall in such a way that I hit this [TS]

00:06:21 ◼   ► fender and the fender is made out of [TS]

00:06:24 ◼   ► heavy gauge you know whatever heavy [TS]

00:06:28 ◼   ► gauge steel steel yeah and it and I [TS]

00:06:31 ◼   ► completely collapse it [TS]

00:06:33 ◼   ► down and just as like crunch like well [TS]

00:06:37 ◼   ► like Tiger man hitting the wall yeah [TS]

00:06:39 ◼   ► because out of it when I went when I [TS]

00:06:42 ◼   ► went to later later on in the story fast [TS]

00:06:47 ◼   ► forward to the the other part of the [TS]

00:06:48 ◼   ► story where I'm not hurt I went to bend [TS]

00:06:52 ◼   ► it up I couldn't bend it with my I mean [TS]

00:06:54 ◼   ► I had to like it was it's like not a fit [TS]

00:06:57 ◼   ► it was not a thin gauge of metal but I [TS]

00:07:01 ◼   ► hit this thing and the way in which I'm [TS]

00:07:02 ◼   ► falling in the way the fender is is kind [TS]

00:07:05 ◼   ► of pointed at an angle and the whole [TS]

00:07:07 ◼   ► just the luck of the draw it just sort [TS]

00:07:11 ◼   ► of slid me it just sort of put me on the [TS]

00:07:14 ◼   ► ground on my butt but like I was sliding [TS]

00:07:18 ◼   ► I hit that thing it crunched it like [TS]

00:07:21 ◼   ► bent sideways sent me down I hit the [TS]

00:07:24 ◼   ► greasy ground and slid on the grease and [TS]

00:07:26 ◼   ► popped up on my feet and I was like huh [TS]

00:07:29 ◼   ► and I was not in the least bit injured [TS]

00:07:33 ◼   ► not even the next day [TS]

00:07:35 ◼   ► did I have any soreness it was just like [TS]

00:07:38 ◼   ► huh well what do you know about that and [TS]

00:07:41 ◼   ► then I looked in my pocket and my phone [TS]

00:07:42 ◼   ► was I mean you could you could pour [TS]

00:07:45 ◼   ► water into my phone and drink out of it [TS]

00:07:47 ◼   ► it's that it was that concave oh my [TS]

00:07:50 ◼   ► goodness the impacts just it was it's [TS]

00:07:53 ◼   ► just shaped like my body am i wrong this [TS]

00:07:55 ◼   ► could have been way WAY worse not your [TS]

00:07:57 ◼   ► phone before you're behind in your [TS]

00:07:58 ◼   ► different parts even as I was flying [TS]

00:08:00 ◼   ► through the air I was like I'm gonna I'm [TS]

00:08:02 ◼   ► going to the hospital yeah I mean it all [TS]

00:08:05 ◼   ► happened in a second sure sure enough [TS]

00:08:06 ◼   ► time to say like this is bad for me and [TS]

00:08:08 ◼   ► it was actually like that the five [TS]

00:08:11 ◼   ► minutes following I was like I I would I [TS]

00:08:14 ◼   ► would be not I'm I'm just like getting [TS]

00:08:17 ◼   ► in the truck and driving away but I [TS]

00:08:18 ◼   ► would not be if I had if I had fallen [TS]

00:08:21 ◼   ► just slightly differently oh my god John [TS]

00:08:24 ◼   ► this is a whole different story here oh [TS]

00:08:26 ◼   ► my gosh and so your phone your phone [TS]

00:08:27 ◼   ► bore a lot of the front you have you see [TS]

00:08:29 ◼   ► a shattered glass like I knew you're [TS]

00:08:31 ◼   ► behind yeah but also the whole metal [TS]

00:08:36 ◼   ► case is just like both flattened and [TS]

00:08:39 ◼   ► also like xx [TS]

00:08:41 ◼   ► yeah and just sort of like munched and [TS]

00:08:44 ◼   ► and what's funny is that the [TS]

00:08:46 ◼   ► Electronics still work but the few [TS]

00:08:52 ◼   ► things cause me as much anxiety as [TS]

00:08:54 ◼   ► watching people use a broken phone it [TS]

00:08:57 ◼   ► causes me so much anxiety [TS]

00:08:58 ◼   ► instacart person shows up and they got [TS]

00:09:00 ◼   ► the whole spiderweb screen on like an [TS]

00:09:02 ◼   ► iPhone 4 and like oh my god you've had [TS]

00:09:04 ◼   ► this been like this for like three years [TS]

00:09:05 ◼   ► hasn't it oh my god get something else I [TS]

00:09:10 ◼   ► treat my phone like a fucking Eucharist [TS]

00:09:12 ◼   ► I mean I am I'm I'm so I've never broken [TS]

00:09:15 ◼   ► a phone or a screen [TS]

00:09:16 ◼   ► it wasn't Apple's fault but no I've [TS]

00:09:19 ◼   ► never had that and it cost me he's [TS]

00:09:21 ◼   ► causing me huge anxiety but you you [TS]

00:09:23 ◼   ► really I'm sorry I'm processing this you [TS]

00:09:25 ◼   ► really you kind of dodged a bullet here [TS]

00:09:26 ◼   ► well big-time I'm I'm a middle-aged guy [TS]

00:09:29 ◼   ► right I to take Falls like that all the [TS]

00:09:32 ◼   ► time I used to do Falls like that as [TS]

00:09:33 ◼   ► sport yeah um but now bit of years [TS]

00:09:37 ◼   ► wasn't it [TS]

00:09:38 ◼   ► it was a bit of mine him but now that [TS]

00:09:40 ◼   ► would have was particularly landing on [TS]

00:09:42 ◼   ► my butt and my back [TS]

00:09:44 ◼   ► uh-huh what have been really terrible oh [TS]

00:09:46 ◼   ► god I did my back sleeping last week and [TS]

00:09:52 ◼   ► I've been stealing my wife had dental [TS]

00:09:54 ◼   ► surgery been stealing her vicodins so I [TS]

00:09:55 ◼   ► can sleep just cuz I slept I slept I [TS]

00:09:58 ◼   ► harm myself with sleep and now I'm [TS]

00:10:00 ◼   ► treating now I think I might be the [TS]

00:10:02 ◼   ► opioid epidemic don't do it don't do it [TS]

00:10:04 ◼   ► I'm the academic Marilyn don't get [TS]

00:10:07 ◼   ► addicted to opioids that's my advice [TS]

00:10:09 ◼   ► it's not as bad as I heard a lot of it [TS]

00:10:12 ◼   ► is the media blowing this up because [TS]

00:10:14 ◼   ► they don't like the white working-class [TS]

00:10:15 ◼   ► is what I heard [TS]

00:10:16 ◼   ► yeah some of that you know it really the [TS]

00:10:19 ◼   ► Heritage I think what it is is that [TS]

00:10:21 ◼   ► state's attorneys general Bundy's to sue [TS]

00:10:30 ◼   ► pharmaceutical companies because they're [TS]

00:10:32 ◼   ► bored brothers cartoon right and so like [TS]

00:10:36 ◼   ► they're they're the wolf and and that's [TS]

00:10:38 ◼   ► the porkchop cigarettes were in the 90s [TS]

00:10:40 ◼   ► their liberal Democrat let's be honest [TS]

00:10:43 ◼   ► rule like this is why Trump won like [TS]

00:10:47 ◼   ► lawyer culture and try you know trial [TS]

00:10:50 ◼   ► lawyers right oh right Equifax you mean [TS]

00:10:54 ◼   ► imagine what's gonna happen with that [TS]

00:10:54 ◼   ► hmm Equifax Equifax Equifax Equifax they [TS]

00:10:59 ◼   ► had a breach you probably aware of this [TS]

00:11:01 ◼   ► they had a breach that was entirely [TS]

00:11:03 ◼   ► avoidable hundred and forty four million [TS]

00:11:06 ◼   ► Americans basic down to the SSN [TS]

00:11:10 ◼   ► information out there so dark web now [TS]

00:11:14 ◼   ► hmm Hecate slamming and springs would [TS]

00:11:17 ◼   ► say slamming oh this is a lot to cover [TS]

00:11:21 ◼   ► and so even and so you put a dent an [TS]

00:11:23 ◼   ► offender with your phone but and you [TS]

00:11:26 ◼   ► still you had to travel you went to the [TS]

00:11:27 ◼   ► east coast is that right then i went to [TS]

00:11:30 ◼   ► washington DC washington DC where I was [TS]

00:11:33 ◼   ► there touring the sites with my little [TS]

00:11:36 ◼   ► girl oh you want to see the sights I [TS]

00:11:38 ◼   ► went and saw numerable sites all the [TS]

00:11:41 ◼   ► sites all the great sites aren't there [TS]

00:11:45 ◼   ► some great sites there there are a great [TS]

00:11:46 ◼   ► site I was worried about this at the [TS]

00:11:49 ◼   ► summer and I had so much fun oh yeah [TS]

00:11:51 ◼   ► yeah yeah so I'm guessing you went to [TS]

00:11:53 ◼   ► all the sites we what do we do we did [TS]

00:11:56 ◼   ► the was at the African American History [TS]

00:12:00 ◼   ► Museum we did of course did air in space [TS]

00:12:02 ◼   ► saw the saturn v engine there it is it's [TS]

00:12:05 ◼   ► just like it's likes list of looking [TS]

00:12:07 ◼   ► into the face of God I love looking at [TS]

00:12:08 ◼   ► that thing although the last ranaut food [TS]

00:12:11 ◼   ► in that little cabinet uh-huh Aaron [TS]

00:12:14 ◼   ► space what else do we do oh the zoo we [TS]

00:12:16 ◼   ► wouldn't saw it was once a baby the [TS]

00:12:17 ◼   ► Panda did you know the zoo was just [TS]

00:12:20 ◼   ► outside of our time and options that is [TS]

00:12:25 ◼   ► if you ever get a chance that is a [TS]

00:12:26 ◼   ► baller zoo I used to live in Washington [TS]

00:12:29 ◼   ► and and and used to go to the zoo as a [TS]

00:12:32 ◼   ► kind of like they've done a real good [TS]

00:12:34 ◼   ► job there I think they've got some [TS]

00:12:35 ◼   ► serious dough there Panda enclosure shit [TS]

00:12:39 ◼   ► dog [TS]

00:12:39 ◼   ► well the Chinese make you do a certain [TS]

00:12:41 ◼   ► thing even to get a panda they caught a [TS]

00:12:44 ◼   ► Chinese hoop you got to jump through [TS]

00:12:46 ◼   ► yeah yeah that's exactly right they were [TS]

00:12:48 ◼   ► they're not gonna let you get a panda [TS]

00:12:50 ◼   ► just and treat it like they got the they [TS]

00:12:54 ◼   ► still got the crate when you're in the [TS]

00:12:56 ◼   ► conclusion the Panda watch baby land [TS]

00:12:58 ◼   ► land land on her back [TS]

00:12:59 ◼   ► that baby's the young Panda and and you [TS]

00:13:02 ◼   ► can go see lots of things and you can [TS]

00:13:03 ◼   ► see the crate yeah [TS]

00:13:04 ◼   ► might have been ding-ding or sing [TS]

00:13:05 ◼   ► singing but whatever the original was [TS]

00:13:08 ◼   ► the original panda called Oh Ling Ling [TS]

00:13:10 ◼   ► was it Ling Ling then they get two [TS]

00:13:11 ◼   ► pandas is that what we got I think so [TS]

00:13:16 ◼   ► Nixon great yeah Oh anyway okay so what [TS]

00:13:20 ◼   ► else did you do you went down the mall [TS]

00:13:22 ◼   ► you went to all with all the things yeah [TS]

00:13:24 ◼   ► well uh you know little little gal and I [TS]

00:13:28 ◼   ► we walked around we we walked around [TS]

00:13:31 ◼   ► Capitol Hill the neighborhood first and [TS]

00:13:34 ◼   ► we found a little there are a few little [TS]

00:13:38 ◼   ► old-timey cafes diners that are still in [TS]

00:13:44 ◼   ► that Capitol Hill neighborhood when I [TS]

00:13:47 ◼   ► lived there in 1989 Capitol Hill by [TS]

00:13:51 ◼   ► which I mean the neighborhood that [TS]

00:13:52 ◼   ► stretches to the east from the Capitol [TS]

00:13:55 ◼   ► building uh-huh [TS]

00:13:57 ◼   ► it's a big wonderful neighborhood of [TS]

00:13:59 ◼   ► townhouses brownstones that type of [TS]

00:14:02 ◼   ► thing and when I lived there it it was [TS]

00:14:08 ◼   ► only beginning to be gentrified the the [TS]

00:14:12 ◼   ► first few blocks to the east of the [TS]

00:14:15 ◼   ► Capitol were the the houses were I think [TS]

00:14:19 ◼   ► probably kept in good condition it was [TS]

00:14:21 ◼   ► where Congress people lived but then you [TS]

00:14:25 ◼   ► know if you get if you got much further [TS]

00:14:28 ◼   ► than about tenth headed that direction [TS]

00:14:31 ◼   ► you know it became a poor neighborhood [TS]

00:14:33 ◼   ► and the houses were in decline or not in [TS]

00:14:36 ◼   ► decline they were in a lot of cases [TS]

00:14:38 ◼   ► burnouts and and and then as you moved [TS]

00:14:42 ◼   ► to the other side of Lincoln Park boy it [TS]

00:14:44 ◼   ► was a it was it was pretty rough but it [TS]

00:14:48 ◼   ► was the same exact housing stock right [TS]

00:14:52 ◼   ► the same beautiful homes it was just [TS]

00:14:55 ◼   ► that they were they were not in any kind [TS]

00:14:58 ◼   ► of repair you know it was typical a [TS]

00:15:00 ◼   ► typical American situation where people [TS]

00:15:02 ◼   ► out there couldn't get home improvement [TS]

00:15:04 ◼   ► loans and they didn't have money and and [TS]

00:15:06 ◼   ► the houses fell apart so I lived at [TS]

00:15:08 ◼   ► third and D up there and you know it was [TS]

00:15:13 ◼   ► like it was government town [TS]

00:15:17 ◼   ► and all the bars were full of like young [TS]

00:15:20 ◼   ► white people from Maryland wearing [TS]

00:15:23 ◼   ► bowties and with with swoopy hair I mean [TS]

00:15:28 ◼   ► the in some ways the the most [TS]

00:15:32 ◼   ► concentrated collection of young [TS]

00:15:33 ◼   ► assholes in the world with the exception [TS]

00:15:38 ◼   ► maybe of Wall Street yeah I was gonna [TS]

00:15:40 ◼   ► save maybe like parts of Manhattan but [TS]

00:15:43 ◼   ► no but it's an asshole attractor for [TS]

00:15:44 ◼   ► sure oh my goodness I mean I had a [TS]

00:15:47 ◼   ► friend who worked at NPR and friend of [TS]

00:15:50 ◼   ► mine from college and she said it really [TS]

00:15:51 ◼   ► is a company town like everywhere you go [TS]

00:15:53 ◼   ► like there's something people are all in [TS]

00:15:57 ◼   ► this same general kind of industry [TS]

00:15:59 ◼   ► whether that's being in government or [TS]

00:16:00 ◼   ► reporting on government or whatever [TS]

00:16:01 ◼   ► there's like there you're never more [TS]

00:16:03 ◼   ► than a you can swing a dead cat without [TS]

00:16:05 ◼   ► hitting an asshole in that tone yeah [TS]

00:16:06 ◼   ► government adjacent yeah and and and [TS]

00:16:09 ◼   ► what's what's interesting is like I [TS]

00:16:11 ◼   ► think a lot of the concentration of [TS]

00:16:13 ◼   ► assholes in Wall Street are from [TS]

00:16:16 ◼   ► Connecticut and Manhattan and Boston [TS]

00:16:20 ◼   ► repotted assholes yeah as in Washington [TS]

00:16:24 ◼   ► DC [TS]

00:16:24 ◼   ► it is the top assholes from every state [TS]

00:16:27 ◼   ► that's the best it's America's assholes [TS]

00:16:30 ◼   ► all and and it's the you know it's all [TS]

00:16:33 ◼   ► those people are every every [TS]

00:16:35 ◼   ► congressperson or senator has all these [TS]

00:16:36 ◼   ► interns because it's like a job that [TS]

00:16:39 ◼   ► they give to their friends and donors [TS]

00:16:42 ◼   ► from their own towns so these kids go to [TS]

00:16:45 ◼   ► Penn State or they go to wherever state [TS]

00:16:49 ◼   ► and then in the summer or or for a year [TS]

00:16:53 ◼   ► they go out there and work from their [TS]

00:16:54 ◼   ► congressman and their job MSU might [TS]

00:16:56 ◼   ► start out as a dick but you end up an [TS]

00:16:58 ◼   ► asshole but so I lived in that you know [TS]

00:17:05 ◼   ► in that like pretty protected little [TS]

00:17:07 ◼   ► area well yeah and and I and at the time [TS]

00:17:10 ◼   ► I was stunned it was my first exposure [TS]

00:17:13 ◼   ► to I mean seeing gentrification not as a [TS]

00:17:18 ◼   ► general like well that used to be a [TS]

00:17:21 ◼   ► neighborhood like this but now it's sort [TS]

00:17:23 ◼   ► of the hold the neighborhood is [TS]

00:17:24 ◼   ► transitioning sort of thing it was as [TS]

00:17:27 ◼   ► you went from block to block you could [TS]

00:17:29 ◼   ► see [TS]

00:17:30 ◼   ► Oh every house on this block is nice the [TS]

00:17:33 ◼   ► next block over has a few shabby houses [TS]

00:17:36 ◼   ► two blocks over has like 30% shabby [TS]

00:17:40 ◼   ► houses five blocks I mean just block by [TS]

00:17:42 ◼   ► block you watched and then you would get [TS]

00:17:45 ◼   ► out there where there was a block that [TS]

00:17:47 ◼   ► was hmm you know there wasn't a single [TS]

00:17:49 ◼   ► house except there was one that had [TS]

00:17:52 ◼   ► scaffolding around it and somebody was [TS]

00:17:54 ◼   ► pioneering there well now you go all the [TS]

00:17:57 ◼   ► way out and it's just beautiful homes [TS]

00:17:59 ◼   ► the whole way that the entire [TS]

00:18:02 ◼   ► neighborhood has been transformed and [TS]

00:18:06 ◼   ► yet there are still a couple of little [TS]

00:18:09 ◼   ► stores little little diners that have [TS]

00:18:14 ◼   ► been there the whole time and have been [TS]

00:18:16 ◼   ► there since before the neighborhood even [TS]

00:18:19 ◼   ► went into decline and it's just you walk [TS]

00:18:22 ◼   ► in it's just like one counter five [TS]

00:18:25 ◼   ► tables and a menu that's like grilled [TS]

00:18:29 ◼   ► cheese sandwich hamburger Philly [TS]

00:18:31 ◼   ► cheesesteak okay so so my baby and I [TS]

00:18:36 ◼   ► went and found one of those and we had a [TS]

00:18:38 ◼   ► breakfast and then we went to the [TS]

00:18:41 ◼   ► Library of Congress and we walked around [TS]

00:18:45 ◼   ► we went to look down on the reading room [TS]

00:18:48 ◼   ► went to the Jefferson library which is [TS]

00:18:52 ◼   ► they so after the British burned the [TS]

00:18:55 ◼   ► Capitol during the war of 1812 [TS]

00:18:59 ◼   ► they burned the library and so Thomas [TS]

00:19:03 ◼   ► Jefferson gave his entire library and he [TS]

00:19:05 ◼   ► was at the time the had the biggest [TS]

00:19:07 ◼   ► library in the colonies or I'm guess the [TS]

00:19:10 ◼   ► states at that point he donated his [TS]

00:19:13 ◼   ► entire library and then there was [TS]

00:19:15 ◼   ► another fire in his books have some of [TS]

00:19:19 ◼   ► them burned again but they have the [TS]

00:19:20 ◼   ► majority of his books set up set up in a [TS]

00:19:23 ◼   ► kind of circle like he had his library [TS]

00:19:26 ◼   ► built so we looked at those and then we [TS]

00:19:29 ◼   ► went to the Capitol and toured the [TS]

00:19:31 ◼   ► Capitol and saw all the things and then [TS]

00:19:34 ◼   ► we walked we dent down at the [TS]

00:19:37 ◼   ► Smithsonian we walked all the way to the [TS]

00:19:38 ◼   ► Lincoln Memorial [TS]

00:19:39 ◼   ► and she was like a super trooper it was [TS]

00:19:42 ◼   ► only on the other side of the Washington [TS]

00:19:45 ◼   ► Monument when she started to say this [TS]

00:19:48 ◼   ► has been a long walk did you oh so you [TS]

00:19:49 ◼   ► did walk that is so much longer than it [TS]

00:19:51 ◼   ► looks it's very long it's very very long [TS]

00:19:54 ◼   ► walk yeah and she said I do not think [TS]

00:19:55 ◼   ► well as we were approaching the [TS]

00:19:57 ◼   ► Washington Monument she said I think [TS]

00:19:58 ◼   ► that we should stop at the Washington [TS]

00:20:00 ◼   ► Monument and I said sweetheart the [TS]

00:20:02 ◼   ► Lincoln Memorial is just over the [TS]

00:20:04 ◼   ► horizon [TS]

00:20:04 ◼   ► that's where it's going on man gotta get [TS]

00:20:06 ◼   ► to the memorial yeah and she was like I [TS]

00:20:08 ◼   ► we've walked far enough and we got to [TS]

00:20:10 ◼   ► the Washington Monument there was the [TS]

00:20:12 ◼   ► Lincoln Memorial in the distance I was [TS]

00:20:14 ◼   ► like what do you think you think you [TS]

00:20:16 ◼   ► want to bite it off because it's just [TS]

00:20:17 ◼   ► it's C it's far but it's also just right [TS]

00:20:21 ◼   ► there and she's the reflecting pool yeah [TS]

00:20:25 ◼   ► she was I think she understood like [TS]

00:20:28 ◼   ► that's on the back of the penny like in [TS]

00:20:32 ◼   ► and she's she knows she knows all about [TS]

00:20:36 ◼   ► Lincoln she'd sit and lecture me about [TS]

00:20:38 ◼   ► Lincoln so off we went and it was great [TS]

00:20:41 ◼   ► we had a wonderful time Oh though we [TS]

00:20:45 ◼   ► went through the World War two the New [TS]

00:20:48 ◼   ► World War Two memorial let's see I think [TS]

00:20:53 ◼   ► I know that one because it's near it's [TS]

00:20:56 ◼   ► kind of adjacent it's kind of not too [TS]

00:20:57 ◼   ► far from the Vietnam one right yep and [TS]

00:21:01 ◼   ► and it's just but but it has pride of [TS]

00:21:04 ◼   ► place I mean it's the most recent thing [TS]

00:21:07 ◼   ► to actually occupy the mall itself and [TS]

00:21:10 ◼   ► it stretches across it it's like a new [TS]

00:21:12 ◼   ► feature mm-hmm right between the [TS]

00:21:15 ◼   ► Washington Monument and the Lincoln [TS]

00:21:16 ◼   ► Memorial and it's like a pretty enormous [TS]

00:21:19 ◼   ► Wow you know amphitheater that they [TS]

00:21:22 ◼   ► built and you know I've I have a [TS]

00:21:27 ◼   ► relationship with World War two as a [TS]

00:21:30 ◼   ► conflict I've spent quite a bit of time [TS]

00:21:32 ◼   ► on it personally in the course of my [TS]

00:21:35 ◼   ► life my dad fought in it and all his [TS]

00:21:38 ◼   ► friends did and I am sorry to say that [TS]

00:21:42 ◼   ► the World War Two memorial is an abject [TS]

00:21:45 ◼   ► failure [TS]

00:21:46 ◼   ► as a memorial really it's just bad it's [TS]

00:21:50 ◼   ► badly done badly designed badly executed [TS]

00:21:55 ◼   ► and it was really sad to me because [TS]

00:22:01 ◼   ► you're not allowed to say this is a bad [TS]

00:22:02 ◼   ► Memorial [TS]

00:22:03 ◼   ► it's an incredibly expensive Memorial [TS]

00:22:06 ◼   ► it's an it's it was designed to be epic [TS]

00:22:10 ◼   ► or to seem epic it was designed it felt [TS]

00:22:14 ◼   ► like it was designed by a committee like [TS]

00:22:15 ◼   ► we've got this space on the mall we have [TS]

00:22:18 ◼   ► got to do something with a lot of [TS]

00:22:20 ◼   ► whiz-bang mm-hmm and so that's not a [TS]

00:22:24 ◼   ► football field from the sky yeah and it [TS]

00:22:27 ◼   ► has no it's yeah exactly it's a you know [TS]

00:22:29 ◼   ► it looks like a like a like a high [TS]

00:22:31 ◼   ► school look track yeah an oval but it [TS]

00:22:34 ◼   ► has very bad access to it you can enter [TS]

00:22:39 ◼   ► on one side but not leave on the other [TS]

00:22:42 ◼   ► side so and it commemorates nothing like [TS]

00:22:49 ◼   ► it has the one side of the oval has a [TS]

00:22:52 ◼   ► big sign each tune marble-carved six you [TS]

00:22:57 ◼   ► know let letter six feet high that says [TS]

00:23:00 ◼   ► Pacific and the other side predictably [TS]

00:23:03 ◼   ► says Atlantic on the news and then if [TS]

00:23:07 ◼   ► you walk around there are fifty pillars [TS]

00:23:10 ◼   ► with all guess what's written on them is [TS]

00:23:13 ◼   ► there space there's 50 of them that's [TS]

00:23:15 ◼   ► right all 50 states mm-hmm 48 at the [TS]

00:23:20 ◼   ► time yeah yeah well but also there was [TS]

00:23:23 ◼   ► Puerto Rico and and Guam Puerto Rico [TS]

00:23:26 ◼   ► counts but it basically got a they got [TS]

00:23:30 ◼   ► up they got a pillar way to do it you [TS]

00:23:34 ◼   ► know what I didn't go I did not actually [TS]

00:23:36 ◼   ► go around and see if Alaska and Hawaii [TS]

00:23:38 ◼   ► were on there that's very interesting [TS]

00:23:40 ◼   ► and it seems like the type of thing [TS]

00:23:42 ◼   ► where Alaska and Hawaii would be there [TS]

00:23:44 ◼   ► even though they weren't States at the [TS]

00:23:46 ◼   ► time they call it a retcon it's a little [TS]

00:23:48 ◼   ► bit of a retcon but and then on either [TS]

00:23:51 ◼   ► side there are two fountains I guess and [TS]

00:23:54 ◼   ► underneath the fountains are carved the [TS]

00:23:56 ◼   ► names of all the major battles [TS]

00:23:59 ◼   ► but it is insufficient entirely [TS]

00:24:02 ◼   ► insufficient like there's no the names [TS]

00:24:05 ◼   ► of the dead doesn't momentous to be [TS]

00:24:07 ◼   ► standing in it all right [TS]

00:24:10 ◼   ► minute no that's like the the Vietnam [TS]

00:24:12 ◼   ► Wall was kind of a creeper like you get [TS]

00:24:14 ◼   ► up in that thing and it's like ooh [TS]

00:24:15 ◼   ► there's something kind of momentous [TS]

00:24:17 ◼   ► about this we're obviously the the World [TS]

00:24:19 ◼   ► Trade Center one is kind of like that [TS]

00:24:21 ◼   ► too like it you really feel like an [TS]

00:24:22 ◼   ► absence of something here in the [TS]

00:24:24 ◼   ► presence of something else [TS]

00:24:25 ◼   ► although though I just went to the World [TS]

00:24:28 ◼   ► Trade Center Memorial the other day also [TS]

00:24:33 ◼   ► guess what it closes at night it's an [TS]

00:24:37 ◼   ► enormous Plaza an enormous Plaza right [TS]

00:24:40 ◼   ► they takes up the footprint of the hole [TS]

00:24:42 ◼   ► yes right Center and what they've [TS]

00:24:45 ◼   ► decided and there's nothing in it it's [TS]

00:24:47 ◼   ► just like fountains and and trees okay a [TS]

00:24:50 ◼   ► little bit of uh I got a little bit of a [TS]

00:24:52 ◼   ► pebble in my shoe because the security [TS]

00:24:53 ◼   ► car yelled at my kid for standing on the [TS]

00:24:55 ◼   ► railing well there you go [TS]

00:24:57 ◼   ► so I went there I think I think I think [TS]

00:24:59 ◼   ► you can handle it yeah and and I went [TS]

00:25:03 ◼   ► there at let's say midnight mm-hmm [TS]

00:25:07 ◼   ► that's a good time to visit a memorial [TS]

00:25:10 ◼   ► like that it is yet it is not because [TS]

00:25:14 ◼   ► they have decided in their infinite [TS]

00:25:15 ◼   ► wisdom that it makes more sense for them [TS]

00:25:18 ◼   ► to hire 40 to 50 security guards like [TS]

00:25:23 ◼   ► shoot people away to walk around this [TS]

00:25:26 ◼   ► park all night telling you that you [TS]

00:25:30 ◼   ► cannot step foot into it so you just you [TS]

00:25:32 ◼   ► never forget as long as it's not [TS]

00:25:34 ◼   ► midnight that's right never stop [TS]

00:25:36 ◼   ► remembering and what's interesting is if [TS]

00:25:39 ◼   ► they're gonna hire those 40 to 50 [TS]

00:25:41 ◼   ► security guards well they could just let [TS]

00:25:42 ◼   ► them walk around all night and then you [TS]

00:25:44 ◼   ► also could walk around that's true but [TS]

00:25:46 ◼   ► instead I mean it's not like what are [TS]

00:25:48 ◼   ► you gonna get up to start a campfire [TS]

00:25:49 ◼   ► yeah if there's 50 people walking around [TS]

00:25:56 ◼   ► I mean and so I went there to have a [TS]

00:25:57 ◼   ► solemn moment because as you recall I [TS]

00:26:01 ◼   ► was I went up to the top of the World [TS]

00:26:03 ◼   ► Trade Center on September 1st 2001 and [TS]

00:26:08 ◼   ► so when that all happened you know I was [TS]

00:26:11 ◼   ► just ten days from standing [TS]

00:26:12 ◼   ► the at the window on the world and [TS]

00:26:16 ◼   ► standing on the roof went up to the roof [TS]

00:26:20 ◼   ► so it was I mean not to make it not to [TS]

00:26:24 ◼   ► make the not to make 911 about me [TS]

00:26:32 ◼   ► experience to me I'm just there and so I [TS]

00:26:37 ◼   ► wanted to go go have my moment with the [TS]

00:26:40 ◼   ► with the memorial and and at night like [TS]

00:26:43 ◼   ► you say it would be I was hoping it to [TS]

00:26:46 ◼   ► sort of be there alone and and not have [TS]

00:26:48 ◼   ► to experience it in a crowd which always [TS]

00:26:53 ◼   ► feels a little also a little weird it [TS]

00:26:56 ◼   ► was packed when we were there that's why [TS]

00:26:58 ◼   ► what she's doing on the real she [TS]

00:26:59 ◼   ► couldn't you couldn't see very well so [TS]

00:27:01 ◼   ► you know just shoot out by these people [TS]

00:27:03 ◼   ► who I mean there's no fence around it [TS]

00:27:05 ◼   ► they're just standing there 14 feet away [TS]

00:27:08 ◼   ► from me and if you put your foot on the [TS]

00:27:10 ◼   ► step they're like sorry sorry folks [TS]

00:27:12 ◼   ► parks closed I shoulda told you and I [TS]

00:27:16 ◼   ► was infuriated it's just like beef with [TS]

00:27:22 ◼   ► this there's another podcast I listen to [TS]

00:27:23 ◼   ► where they talk a lot about [TS]

00:27:25 ◼   ► Trafalgar Square and how Trafalgar [TS]

00:27:27 ◼   ► Square they've really cracked down [TS]

00:27:28 ◼   ► you're not allowed to climb on the [TS]

00:27:30 ◼   ► columns and the Lions and whatnot you [TS]

00:27:32 ◼   ► there's all kinds of things you're not [TS]

00:27:33 ◼   ► they shoot you away now it's like you [TS]

00:27:34 ◼   ► know what to me a memorial should have [TS]

00:27:37 ◼   ► the dignity and the structural integrity [TS]

00:27:39 ◼   ► to handle a whole bunch of things [TS]

00:27:41 ◼   ► including kids playing on it in a way [TS]

00:27:43 ◼   ► that they don't understand they're not [TS]

00:27:44 ◼   ► supposed to be playing on it like that's [TS]

00:27:45 ◼   ► part of what makes it a memorial like [TS]

00:27:47 ◼   ► it's not it isn't like you're going to [TS]

00:27:49 ◼   ► see you know the body of Lenin like this [TS]

00:27:53 ◼   ► is this is you know what I'm saying like [TS]

00:27:55 ◼   ► a statue has like a certain gravitas to [TS]

00:27:57 ◼   ► it did like I mean do you really need to [TS]

00:27:58 ◼   ► shoot people away from that I mean it's [TS]

00:28:00 ◼   ► well and it's it's partly security [TS]

00:28:03 ◼   ► theater we live in a world now where all [TS]

00:28:08 ◼   ► yeah you cannot if you just if you like [TS]

00:28:13 ◼   ► throw out the idea hey you know what we [TS]

00:28:15 ◼   ► should do we should hire 50 security [TS]

00:28:17 ◼   ► guards to stand around this place no one [TS]

00:28:19 ◼   ► is going to say no because if you say [TS]

00:28:22 ◼   ► well 911 yeah just you've just trumped [TS]

00:28:26 ◼   ► any argument against the thing yeah it's [TS]

00:28:28 ◼   ► like do you think somebody's gonna come [TS]

00:28:30 ◼   ► blow up this memorial yeah what do you [TS]

00:28:33 ◼   ► think I mean they're there in the course [TS]

00:28:35 ◼   ► of the night that you're paying these 50 [TS]

00:28:37 ◼   ► security guards to stand there fifty [TS]

00:28:39 ◼   ► people would come mm-hmm [TS]

00:28:41 ◼   ► obviously no one's gonna camp out there [TS]

00:28:43 ◼   ► they wouldn't even have a chance to sit [TS]

00:28:45 ◼   ► down but maybe they don't want homeless [TS]

00:28:47 ◼   ► people there well how could they there's [TS]

00:28:49 ◼   ► 50 security guards right right you could [TS]

00:28:51 ◼   ► cut the number of security guards in [TS]

00:28:53 ◼   ► half and still have more than enough [TS]

00:28:55 ◼   ► because you need 50 of them to keep [TS]

00:28:59 ◼   ► people out of every single entrance to [TS]

00:29:01 ◼   ► the park you only need 20 of them to [TS]

00:29:03 ◼   ► keep people from camping there but it's [TS]

00:29:06 ◼   ► also you know there's a sculpture garden [TS]

00:29:09 ◼   ► here in Seattle and out to an enormous [TS]

00:29:11 ◼   ► outdoor sculpture garden and they have [TS]

00:29:13 ◼   ► security I swear to you hiding in the [TS]

00:29:16 ◼   ► bushes because if you if you go there [TS]

00:29:18 ◼   ► with the kids and she walks over and [TS]

00:29:20 ◼   ► touches the Calder hmm there somebody [TS]

00:29:25 ◼   ► appears at your shoulder no you know [TS]

00:29:26 ◼   ► don't touch the artwork hmm this is an [TS]

00:29:29 ◼   ► outdoor sculpture garden I don't think [TS]

00:29:32 ◼   ► you understand what a statue is which is [TS]

00:29:34 ◼   ► yeah exactly which is closed at night [TS]

00:29:36 ◼   ► a-and also don't touch is it is it paper [TS]

00:29:39 ◼   ► mache like is it blessed like that's [TS]

00:29:42 ◼   ► just weird it's gonna get ruined oh [TS]

00:29:44 ◼   ► don't ruin this - I just sent you a link [TS]

00:29:46 ◼   ► I admit this is a little bit over the [TS]

00:29:48 ◼   ► top but this is one of the most um [TS]

00:29:51 ◼   ► over-the-top but moving disturbing [TS]

00:29:54 ◼   ► memorials I've ever been to you sent [TS]

00:29:55 ◼   ► your link to the Holocaust Memorial in [TS]

00:29:57 ◼   ► Miami have you are you aware of this I [TS]

00:29:59 ◼   ► have not been to the one in Miami but [TS]

00:30:01 ◼   ► have you seen look at the photos [TS]

00:30:02 ◼   ► oh you sent it to me through Skype right [TS]

00:30:06 ◼   ► yeah but you go just just Google [TS]

00:30:07 ◼   ► Holocaust Memorial in Miami oh yeah [TS]

00:30:14 ◼   ► mm-hmm [TS]

00:30:16 ◼   ► you don't you don't see that isn't that [TS]

00:30:18 ◼   ► something yeah I mean I realized that [TS]

00:30:22 ◼   ► when you're trying to sort of what's the [TS]

00:30:23 ◼   ► word valorize World War two it was a [TS]

00:30:26 ◼   ► great war the good war diddly diddly [TS]

00:30:27 ◼   ► deee it's got to be very you know [TS]

00:30:29 ◼   ► dignified but like I don't know I think [TS]

00:30:31 ◼   ► there's something to be said for like [TS]

00:30:33 ◼   ► from a moral that goes there [TS]

00:30:36 ◼   ► well that one really goes there it does [TS]

00:30:38 ◼   ► it does but I mean like so I mean I'm [TS]

00:30:40 ◼   ► glad somebody went there it's like I [TS]

00:30:41 ◼   ► always used to say even before I moved [TS]

00:30:43 ◼   ► here I'm glad Berkeley exists cuz [TS]

00:30:44 ◼   ► Berkeley is a place where everything [TS]

00:30:45 ◼   ► goes too far [TS]

00:30:46 ◼   ► America needs places that go too far [TS]

00:30:48 ◼   ► yeah especially on our side and I kind [TS]

00:30:50 ◼   ► of feel like you know this is maybe a [TS]

00:30:51 ◼   ► little bit I don't know a little [TS]

00:30:53 ◼   ► over-the-top but like it's it is very [TS]

00:30:55 ◼   ► affecting to see ya bet yeah well I to [TS]

00:30:59 ◼   ► get in arguments with people if you [TS]

00:31:00 ◼   ► can't believe it you yeah about the way [TS]

00:31:04 ◼   ► the Holocaust has been memorialized and [TS]

00:31:07 ◼   ► world war two has been memorialized [TS]

00:31:08 ◼   ► because unfortunately for us I think the [TS]

00:31:13 ◼   ► war was immediately followed upon by the [TS]

00:31:17 ◼   ► brutalist movement and the hyper sort of [TS]

00:31:23 ◼   ► modern postmodern art world and so if [TS]

00:31:28 ◼   ► you travel around brutalist [TS]

00:31:29 ◼   ► i think yeah but as well as going [TS]

00:31:32 ◼   ► straight into the Cold War like we [TS]

00:31:33 ◼   ► didn't have time to change our socks and [TS]

00:31:35 ◼   ► we were going into the Cold War but on [TS]

00:31:36 ◼   ► top of that yeah you've got these these [TS]

00:31:37 ◼   ► new architectural movements seeing can't [TS]

00:31:39 ◼   ► get any federalism you know I'm saying [TS]

00:31:40 ◼   ► right and and also representative art [TS]

00:31:44 ◼   ► fell out of fashion so when you go [TS]

00:31:45 ◼   ► around looking at the memorials to World [TS]

00:31:48 ◼   ► War two a lot of them are black [TS]

00:31:50 ◼   ► doughnuts [TS]

00:31:51 ◼   ► it's stuff that needs to be explained [TS]

00:31:53 ◼   ► yeah when the Vietnam Wall went up it [TS]

00:31:57 ◼   ► had to kind of be explained to people [TS]

00:31:59 ◼   ► but I think it works it has that a [TS]

00:32:01 ◼   ► bullet not obelisk but you know what I [TS]

00:32:03 ◼   ► mean that's that's yeah accurate kind of [TS]

00:32:04 ◼   ► quality and I think that's very [TS]

00:32:06 ◼   ► effective but there are a lot where it's [TS]

00:32:07 ◼   ► like oh there's a water feature and [TS]

00:32:09 ◼   ► black stone yeah okay so what how's that [TS]

00:32:12 ◼   ► about like invading Poland and and and [TS]

00:32:14 ◼   ► there's a lot of criticism to be made [TS]

00:32:16 ◼   ► about the World War 1 memorials where 40 [TS]

00:32:20 ◼   ► valiant soldiers stand you know carved [TS]

00:32:23 ◼   ► in marble Stan and look at the did [TS]

00:32:27 ◼   ► middle-distance while they're you know [TS]

00:32:29 ◼   ► around their feet are arrayed they're [TS]

00:32:31 ◼   ► dying comrades yeah sort of sort of like [TS]

00:32:33 ◼   ► civil war memorials where it really it [TS]

00:32:36 ◼   ► really glamorizes it and it's all like [TS]

00:32:39 ◼   ► all those statues in in the United [TS]

00:32:41 ◼   ► Kingdom where it's just like here is [TS]

00:32:43 ◼   ► here are our fallen heroes [TS]

00:32:45 ◼   ► you can make a lot of criticism about [TS]

00:32:47 ◼   ► that but there is like you say it [TS]

00:32:50 ◼   ► doesn't need you don't need to stand [TS]

00:32:52 ◼   ► there in a in a tour group hold it with [TS]

00:32:55 ◼   ► a gut while a guy holding a clipboard [TS]

00:32:56 ◼   ► explains that this is the Holocaust most [TS]

00:32:59 ◼   ► why you should be moved by this right or [TS]

00:33:01 ◼   ► it's impossible to be moved by this [TS]

00:33:03 ◼   ► except what it symbolizes is beyond the [TS]

00:33:07 ◼   ► unexpressive ability of what happened [TS]

00:33:10 ◼   ► and so really look inside yourselves [TS]

00:33:12 ◼   ► yeah exactly so what is it inverted [TS]

00:33:14 ◼   ► appearance with with like three [TS]

00:33:17 ◼   ► Christmas intellectually moving and [TS]

00:33:21 ◼   ► there are a lot of people that will [TS]

00:33:23 ◼   ► defend that stuff that because you know [TS]

00:33:26 ◼   ► because like they believe they feel that [TS]

00:33:28 ◼   ► metaphor is is the only thing that's [TS]

00:33:32 ◼   ► sufficient but there's not any one [TS]

00:33:36 ◼   ► answer to any of this there's examples [TS]

00:33:38 ◼   ► of all of these being done well or [TS]

00:33:40 ◼   ► poorly that suit the purpose and don't [TS]

00:33:42 ◼   ► some of them don't age well but like [TS]

00:33:44 ◼   ► it's it's not a question of I'm it's [TS]

00:33:45 ◼   ► just a question of how well it's [TS]

00:33:46 ◼   ► executed don't you think well that is [TS]

00:33:49 ◼   ► what makes the Holocaust Memorial in [TS]

00:33:51 ◼   ► Berlin such a heavy heavy heavy visit [TS]

00:33:55 ◼   ► because oh my god oh god it's an [TS]

00:34:00 ◼   ► enormous enormous field full of exactly [TS]

00:34:05 ◼   ► as you say black omelets basically [TS]

00:34:07 ◼   ► casket roughly casket shaped stones and [TS]

00:34:12 ◼   ► it's open all night first of all because [TS]

00:34:15 ◼   ► it's it's in Europe and no one is trying [TS]

00:34:17 ◼   ► to you know in like San Francisco [TS]

00:34:18 ◼   ► everything closes too early here yeah [TS]

00:34:20 ◼   ► right well that's one of the reasons no [TS]

00:34:23 ◼   ► one like Santa but so you go into this [TS]

00:34:27 ◼   ► Holocaust Memorial is this Christ when [TS]

00:34:31 ◼   ► you're on the edge of it the stones are [TS]

00:34:35 ◼   ► low they're just a few feet high you can [TS]

00:34:37 ◼   ► sit on them they're like benches on the [TS]

00:34:40 ◼   ► on the ring of this memorial all around [TS]

00:34:42 ◼   ► it look at from a little bit of a [TS]

00:34:44 ◼   ► distance it has like a terrain my [TS]

00:34:46 ◼   ► quality is that because of the lands [TS]

00:34:48 ◼   ► type topography or because of the way [TS]

00:34:51 ◼   ► they've been arranged its man it's meant [TS]

00:34:53 ◼   ► to look like that from the street that's [TS]

00:34:55 ◼   ► fine design with like the size the [TS]

00:34:56 ◼   ► height of the stones yeah lonely [TS]

00:34:59 ◼   ► it just kind of looks like a big rolling [TS]

00:35:01 ◼   ► field but it looks like a blocking a lot [TS]

00:35:04 ◼   ► for caskets kind of but it is it's very [TS]

00:35:06 ◼   ► it's stunning well so here's what makes [TS]

00:35:09 ◼   ► it astonishing cuz it is stunning and [TS]

00:35:11 ◼   ► there are people sitting and eating [TS]

00:35:13 ◼   ► their lunch on it it's there is a [TS]

00:35:15 ◼   ► certain amount of like well this is just [TS]

00:35:17 ◼   ► now a place that we like if you sit down [TS]

00:35:20 ◼   ► on one of those stones I don't know [TS]

00:35:22 ◼   ► about them I don't know about noon [TS]

00:35:24 ◼   ► whether somebody comes over and says hey [TS]

00:35:26 ◼   ► get off that but there's there wouldn't [TS]

00:35:28 ◼   ► be a way to do it it's right in the [TS]

00:35:30 ◼   ► center of Berlin it's right next to the [TS]

00:35:31 ◼   ► US Embassy it's right where the the [TS]

00:35:33 ◼   ► Berlin wall used to be it's like where [TS]

00:35:35 ◼   ► the Reichstag was it's it's like very [TS]

00:35:38 ◼   ► it's really there but you walk into it [TS]

00:35:41 ◼   ► and it's and it's meant to be interacted [TS]

00:35:43 ◼   ► with you walk into it those paths every [TS]

00:35:46 ◼   ► every single one of those spaces between [TS]

00:35:49 ◼   ► the obelisks is a path and you walk in [TS]

00:35:52 ◼   ► and then the earth falls away and as you [TS]

00:35:56 ◼   ► move toward the center of it suddenly [TS]

00:35:57 ◼   ► these obelisks are towering over you [TS]

00:36:00 ◼   ► they're 15 20 feet above your head and [TS]

00:36:03 ◼   ► you're down in this space where you know [TS]

00:36:07 ◼   ► every time you come around a corner you [TS]

00:36:09 ◼   ► can see all the way along the path is in [TS]

00:36:13 ◼   ► either direction and it becomes very [TS]

00:36:16 ◼   ► disorienting and very overwhelming and [TS]

00:36:18 ◼   ► then when you're down in the center you [TS]

00:36:19 ◼   ► have no idea where you are because you [TS]

00:36:21 ◼   ► could no longer see out of the peace [TS]

00:36:22 ◼   ► functions like a maze it functions like [TS]

00:36:25 ◼   ► a maze although it's just a grid but [TS]

00:36:27 ◼   ► 2,000 2711 concrete slabs right I mean [TS]

00:36:34 ◼   ► think about that that's an enormous and [TS]

00:36:36 ◼   ► these are big big things but but the way [TS]

00:36:39 ◼   ► that the way the valley of it works when [TS]

00:36:41 ◼   ► you're standing on it at the sidewalk it [TS]

00:36:43 ◼   ► looks like a hill because it kind of [TS]

00:36:45 ◼   ► curves up the tops of these obelisks [TS]

00:36:48 ◼   ► curved up and have a topography like you [TS]

00:36:50 ◼   ► say but when you're down in the valley [TS]

00:36:53 ◼   ► you can't see up to the street because [TS]

00:36:55 ◼   ► it's so down well you see is is that [TS]

00:37:00 ◼   ► your your it's your very disorient [TS]

00:37:05 ◼   ► and also like a little scared it [TS]

00:37:08 ◼   ► actually had it actually accomplishes [TS]

00:37:10 ◼   ► that you become overwhelmed and scared [TS]

00:37:14 ◼   ► like scared just your body naturally [TS]

00:37:17 ◼   ► says like um I don't feel safe anymore [TS]

00:37:20 ◼   ► like like can you can we get out of here [TS]

00:37:22 ◼   ► but you don't know which way to go [TS]

00:37:23 ◼   ► mm-hmm and there are people down there [TS]

00:37:27 ◼   ► who are playing like not just little [TS]

00:37:30 ◼   ► kids but like teenagers and people in [TS]

00:37:32 ◼   ► their twenties stupid college students [TS]

00:37:34 ◼   ► who are playing peek-a-boo with each [TS]

00:37:36 ◼   ► other and running around because it is [TS]

00:37:38 ◼   ► like also a space where you get on you [TS]

00:37:41 ◼   ► get enough uncomfortable that it becomes [TS]

00:37:42 ◼   ► like well why don't we play chase but [TS]

00:37:47 ◼   ► again there's nobody down there to tell [TS]

00:37:49 ◼   ► you not to do that and so everybody's [TS]

00:37:52 ◼   ► interacting with it in a different way [TS]

00:37:53 ◼   ► and and and you do kind of your impulse [TS]

00:37:59 ◼   ► when some 24 year old runs past you [TS]

00:38:02 ◼   ► giggling your impulse is to kind of grab [TS]

00:38:05 ◼   ► them and say hey what the fuck are you [TS]

00:38:06 ◼   ► doing like yeah this is a heavy space [TS]

00:38:09 ◼   ► but you can't do that you have to just [TS]

00:38:12 ◼   ► and that adds to the it adds to your [TS]

00:38:16 ◼   ► fear feelings right it's not you're not [TS]

00:38:19 ◼   ► sitting looking over a chain surveying a [TS]

00:38:22 ◼   ► doughnut trying to metaphor eyes the war [TS]

00:38:26 ◼   ► you're having like a real emotional not [TS]

00:38:29 ◼   ► just momentary experience but like the [TS]

00:38:33 ◼   ► longer you stay down there the the more [TS]

00:38:35 ◼   ► you're fucked up by it anyway so that's [TS]

00:38:39 ◼   ► an example of like a modern memorial [TS]

00:38:41 ◼   ► that that accomplishes so much kind of [TS]

00:38:44 ◼   ► like the Vietnam Memorial do you [TS]

00:38:45 ◼   ► remember when the Vietnam or more of [TS]

00:38:47 ◼   ► blue vietnam memorial opened [TS]

00:38:49 ◼   ► controversial incredibly controversial [TS]

00:38:51 ◼   ► yeah that it was that it was too [TS]

00:38:54 ◼   ► abstract and that it was not yeah there [TS]

00:38:58 ◼   ► was there was there was I think it was [TS]

00:38:59 ◼   ► fairly costly but mainly was that it was [TS]

00:39:02 ◼   ► it was too abstract and like and like [TS]

00:39:05 ◼   ► goofy to represent this thing well and [TS]

00:39:07 ◼   ► designed by an Asian which was very [TS]

00:39:10 ◼   ► automatic very much a problem for people [TS]

00:39:13 ◼   ► at the time like wait a minute [TS]

00:39:14 ◼   ► mm-hmm aren't all Asians alike this one [TS]

00:39:17 ◼   ► designed this more [TS]

00:39:18 ◼   ► for tusks killing agents but it has [TS]

00:39:22 ◼   ► become like a major major part of the [TS]

00:39:26 ◼   ► experience of Washington DC and it's [TS]

00:39:27 ◼   ► still very emotional its perilous anyway [TS]

00:39:30 ◼   ► the world war ii memorial is I would not [TS]

00:39:34 ◼   ► say abject failure unless I meant it [TS]

00:39:37 ◼   ► mm-hmm it succeeds at no level except at [TS]

00:39:41 ◼   ► being an example of a committee decided [TS]

00:39:44 ◼   ► designed extremely expensive like hole [TS]

00:39:50 ◼   ► in the ground and it doesn't achieve [TS]

00:39:53 ◼   ► awesomeness you're not even awed by it [TS]

00:39:55 ◼   ► you're just down there going so every [TS]

00:39:57 ◼   ► one of these things has the name of a [TS]

00:40:00 ◼   ► state on it and each one has a giant [TS]

00:40:06 ◼   ► like bronze wreath on it mm-hmm but they [TS]

00:40:11 ◼   ► don't they're just meant to like oh yeah [TS]

00:40:13 ◼   ► so Massachusetts okay what's next [TS]

00:40:16 ◼   ► Oh Rhode Island like there's no there [TS]

00:40:19 ◼   ► are no surprises in it I was like [TS]

00:40:21 ◼   ► looking at that placemat yeah yeah and [TS]

00:40:24 ◼   ► so I walked out of there like very very [TS]

00:40:27 ◼   ► very disappointed not just in there like [TS]

00:40:31 ◼   ► I'm sure it's closed at night too [TS]

00:40:32 ◼   ► I'm sure there's ten guards that walk [TS]

00:40:34 ◼   ► around it and tell you you can't be [TS]

00:40:36 ◼   ► there but but it really feels like a [TS]

00:40:40 ◼   ► monument to our time certainly and and I [TS]

00:40:46 ◼   ► guess at that level it it's like when [TS]

00:40:49 ◼   ► you go into cities and you see new [TS]

00:40:52 ◼   ► developments new housing developments or [TS]

00:40:55 ◼   ► whatnot and you say like oh that one was [TS]

00:40:57 ◼   ► built in 2007 because it's the same like [TS]

00:41:01 ◼   ► baby shit colors that every building [TS]

00:41:04 ◼   ► built in 2007 was about awnings [TS]

00:41:09 ◼   ► certainly suddenly circa big 1984-1985 [TS]

00:41:12 ◼   ► everything had have an awning oh yeah [TS]

00:41:14 ◼   ► and awnings were everywhere and whether [TS]

00:41:17 ◼   ► it was your like your local like bistro [TS]

00:41:19 ◼   ► or the mall like suddenly everything had [TS]

00:41:21 ◼   ► to have an awning hit awnings and [TS]

00:41:22 ◼   ► atriums and they aged well it was it was [TS]

00:41:25 ◼   ► what like a lot of actually brutalist [TS]

00:41:27 ◼   ► architecture did not age well not very [TS]

00:41:28 ◼   ► well designed awnings get mildewy you [TS]

00:41:32 ◼   ► they do atriums have to be cleaned [TS]

00:41:33 ◼   ► regularly yeah Maitreya Hey and in most [TS]

00:41:37 ◼   ► cases they did not endow the building [TS]

00:41:40 ◼   ► with like a cleaning fund no that's that [TS]

00:41:43 ◼   ► is the thing about a chick-fil-a [TS]

00:41:45 ◼   ► pressure I'll beat your well precious [TS]

00:41:47 ◼   ► few chick-fil-a's have their own [TS]

00:41:49 ◼   ► endowment it's not Rice University like [TS]

00:41:51 ◼   ► there's gonna have to be there's gonna [TS]

00:41:52 ◼   ► have to be a you remember racks they all [TS]

00:42:00 ◼   ► had atria racks racks was racks was [TS]

00:42:06 ◼   ► somewhere between was kind of like an [TS]

00:42:07 ◼   ► Arby's wanna be nice or Arby's [TS]

00:42:11 ◼   ► I haven't thought about racks in a very [TS]

00:42:13 ◼   ► long time Oriole for racks I don't think [TS]

00:42:16 ◼   ► so I went online not very long ago and [TS]

00:42:18 ◼   ► looked up racks it sounds like there are [TS]

00:42:20 ◼   ► still wrecks you can still get a racks [TS]

00:42:22 ◼   ► racks roast beef tried-and-true regular [TS]

00:42:24 ◼   ► racks racks roast beef back in the 80s [TS]

00:42:46 ◼   ► when my family ate at fast-food [TS]

00:42:48 ◼   ► restaurants probably I mean it was still [TS]

00:42:51 ◼   ► nice yeah we would still get up get [TS]

00:42:54 ◼   ► dressed [TS]

00:42:55 ◼   ► go out of the house to go to the Burger [TS]

00:42:58 ◼   ► King or the or the Taco Bell dignity [TS]

00:43:02 ◼   ► back then not even the taco time at the [TS]

00:43:05 ◼   ► Taco Bell Taco Bell was pretty deluxe at [TS]

00:43:08 ◼   ► a certain time that's a pretty big deal [TS]

00:43:10 ◼   ► to have fresh ish Mexican food I'm not [TS]

00:43:13 ◼   ► trying to be that guy but Batak o belt [TS]

00:43:14 ◼   ► didn't used to kind of be better it was [TS]

00:43:16 ◼   ► so good 80s and the 80s talked about was [TS]

00:43:19 ◼   ► a treat we would drive to Tampa to go to [TS]

00:43:20 ◼   ► Taco Bell yeah right and and we would we [TS]

00:43:23 ◼   ► ate fast food all the time it was not it [TS]

00:43:25 ◼   ► was down market obviously but but back [TS]

00:43:28 ◼   ► then the distinction was between did you [TS]

00:43:32 ◼   ► eat at home or did you eat hours mm-hmm [TS]

00:43:34 ◼   ► and obviously like eating out we weren't [TS]

00:43:39 ◼   ► going to Simon and see fruits and [TS]

00:43:40 ◼   ► getting [TS]

00:43:42 ◼   ► getting like fettuccine alfredo which [TS]

00:43:45 ◼   ► was like pretty much had to be your [TS]

00:43:47 ◼   ► birthday [TS]

00:43:48 ◼   ► yeah or like your graduation a family [TS]

00:43:51 ◼   ► for 20 bucks well yeah and and and maybe [TS]

00:43:56 ◼   ► less right I mean I would guess it's not [TS]

00:43:57 ◼   ► even cheaper oh my god everything is [TS]

00:44:00 ◼   ► it's so crazy how cheap stuff is now you [TS]

00:44:02 ◼   ► get five tacos for 99 cents it's crazy [TS]

00:44:04 ◼   ► how cheap fast food is now it's it's got [TS]

00:44:06 ◼   ► to be some kind of jam up its core easy [TS]

00:44:09 ◼   ► how cheap it is I think they just they [TS]

00:44:11 ◼   ► walk cows into a giant spinning blade [TS]

00:44:15 ◼   ► like the top of Willy Wonka's chocolate [TS]

00:44:16 ◼   ► factory [TS]

00:44:17 ◼   ► they've oh I see what you're saying it's [TS]

00:44:19 ◼   ► like the big fan if they've achieved [TS]

00:44:20 ◼   ► scalability yeah they just want they're [TS]

00:44:23 ◼   ► like here cow here cow and they just [TS]

00:44:24 ◼   ► walk them straight into this thing and [TS]

00:44:26 ◼   ► pure hamburger comes out the other side [TS]

00:44:28 ◼   ► that's amazing used to be so much [TS]

00:44:30 ◼   ► messier well yeah yeah did like interact [TS]

00:44:33 ◼   ► with the cow a little bit given last [TS]

00:44:35 ◼   ► rites yeah yeah that's the Dickens [TS]

00:44:38 ◼   ► collar off and record its name and [TS]

00:44:40 ◼   ► number all right but a whole section on [TS]

00:44:46 ◼   ► big potatoes you can get a plain potato [TS]

00:44:48 ◼   ► butter potatoes sour cream potato cheese [TS]

00:44:50 ◼   ► potato cheese and bacon potato cheese [TS]

00:44:51 ◼   ► and broccoli potato chili and cheese [TS]

00:44:52 ◼   ► potato barbecue spot for cheese but [TS]

00:44:54 ◼   ► can't talk about racks here great taste [TS]

00:44:55 ◼   ► great selection rack see I think the [TS]

00:44:58 ◼   ► thing that distinguished racks was that [TS]

00:45:00 ◼   ► it was the first restaurant of its kind [TS]

00:45:02 ◼   ► that had a salad bar and it really [TS]

00:45:04 ◼   ► brought people in because the salad bar [TS]

00:45:07 ◼   ► the the like go around and wow look at [TS]

00:45:10 ◼   ► this it's a whole thing of garbanzo [TS]

00:45:12 ◼   ► beans oh my goodness look at this it's a [TS]

00:45:14 ◼   ► whole thing of cottage cheese yeah that [TS]

00:45:16 ◼   ► was really novel and and and racks was [TS]

00:45:21 ◼   ► early-adopter there's also that there [TS]

00:45:24 ◼   ► was a trend toward that eventually they [TS]

00:45:26 ◼   ► pulled back from but there was a trend I [TS]

00:45:28 ◼   ► feel like the 70s were sort of the [TS]

00:45:29 ◼   ► Silver Age of the or maybe the Golden [TS]

00:45:32 ◼   ► Age of the salad bar and then you had a [TS]

00:45:33 ◼   ► Silver Age of the salad bars where it [TS]

00:45:35 ◼   ► was like then it became kind like table [TS]

00:45:37 ◼   ► stakes and places like Ponderosa bonanza [TS]

00:45:39 ◼   ► it started they went they shifted from [TS]

00:45:41 ◼   ► being like a York steak house-style like [TS]

00:45:44 ◼   ► slightly upscale mall ish food to being [TS]

00:45:47 ◼   ► like it was all about all-you-can-eat [TS]

00:45:49 ◼   ► so you go to Ponderosa and it was always [TS]

00:45:51 ◼   ► like you could get a steak but mostly [TS]

00:45:52 ◼   ► you were there for the hot bar you were [TS]

00:45:54 ◼   ► you are [TS]

00:45:55 ◼   ► throw on some some Brandt some [TS]

00:45:57 ◼   ► Midwestern brand names at me that I'm [TS]

00:45:59 ◼   ► digging but we didn't have any of it you [TS]

00:46:01 ◼   ► didn't have a York stick house was nice [TS]

00:46:02 ◼   ► so York steak house was Northgate Mall [TS]

00:46:05 ◼   ► Colerain Avenue Cincinnati Ohio I think [TS]

00:46:07 ◼   ► it opened with the mall probably in 72 [TS]

00:46:09 ◼   ► and it was like our little it was like [TS]

00:46:10 ◼   ► if you want to go spend a little bit [TS]

00:46:12 ◼   ► normally after church before church you [TS]

00:46:14 ◼   ► get a perkins right sure your organs and [TS]

00:46:16 ◼   ► gets you i get strawberry pancakes [TS]

00:46:18 ◼   ► perkins either but yes you know that you [TS]

00:46:21 ◼   ► know the brand and often what you do is [TS]

00:46:23 ◼   ► if you got a little bit of dough after [TS]

00:46:24 ◼   ► church you go to forum and forum with [TS]

00:46:26 ◼   ► the cafeteria there's a cafeteria at our [TS]

00:46:29 ◼   ► mall where you had a little tray and you [TS]

00:46:30 ◼   ► get you know little green jello cubes a [TS]

00:46:32 ◼   ► little bit upscale maybe once every [TS]

00:46:33 ◼   ► couple months ago to New York steak [TS]

00:46:34 ◼   ► house which had a medieval themed week [TS]

00:46:37 ◼   ► out York steak house was amazing and my [TS]

00:46:41 ◼   ► my first grade girlfriend and I we would [TS]

00:46:44 ◼   ► talk about the date we would eventually [TS]

00:46:45 ◼   ► go on to York steak house okay oh you [TS]

00:46:49 ◼   ► had aspirational date aspirational David [TS]

00:46:52 ◼   ► Mann Splashin girlfriend yeah I think [TS]

00:46:54 ◼   ► it's a health care professional now I [TS]

00:46:55 ◼   ► was having some drinks in google it or [TS]

00:46:57 ◼   ► one name my first great girlfriends 50 [TS]

00:47:01 ◼   ► now [TS]

00:47:02 ◼   ► isn't it amazing it is amazing she's [TS]

00:47:04 ◼   ► been my age you did go out with her you [TS]

00:47:07 ◼   ► did it wasn't just that yeah but no I [TS]

00:47:09 ◼   ► changed schools 1976 once a different [TS]

00:47:10 ◼   ► school in fourth grade right around the [TS]

00:47:12 ◼   ► age that something like that might have [TS]

00:47:13 ◼   ► even kind of be kind to have happened [TS]

00:47:15 ◼   ► but now mostly phone calls about York [TS]

00:47:16 ◼   ► steakhouse fourth grade was my first [TS]

00:47:18 ◼   ► kiss my first yeah sherry Edwards kiss [TS]

00:47:21 ◼   ► me in third grade during a fire drill [TS]

00:47:22 ◼   ► Wow yeah I know right [TS]

00:47:24 ◼   ► she snuck you a kiss huh I untangled a [TS]

00:47:31 ◼   ► dog that someone had tied to a pole and [TS]

00:47:34 ◼   ► he had gotten himself tangled up so that [TS]

00:47:37 ◼   ► he was just like his collar was just [TS]

00:47:39 ◼   ► right next to the pole he couldn't move [TS]

00:47:41 ◼   ► because he spun around it so many times [TS]

00:47:43 ◼   ► I'm saying smart dog no um but I got a [TS]

00:47:48 ◼   ► bunch of people were walking past it [TS]

00:47:49 ◼   ► just looking at it like oh look at this [TS]

00:47:51 ◼   ► stupid thing and I actually got down and [TS]

00:47:54 ◼   ► like grabbed the dog untangle you know [TS]

00:47:58 ◼   ► like unhooked him untangled his leash [TS]

00:48:00 ◼   ► put him back together and was like I [TS]

00:48:03 ◼   ► don't I don't know what to tell you dog [TS]

00:48:04 ◼   ► like you know your owner will be back [TS]

00:48:06 ◼   ► soon listen to me now look [TS]

00:48:08 ◼   ► your guy will be back soon [TS]

00:48:11 ◼   ► two fingers reappointment him point me [TS]

00:48:13 ◼   ► her eyes like I was like here right here [TS]

00:48:15 ◼   ► buddy [TS]

00:48:16 ◼   ► two eyes up look you're gonna be okay [TS]

00:48:18 ◼   ► honestly I have no idea whether the [TS]

00:48:20 ◼   ► owner when he arrived wrapped the thing [TS]

00:48:23 ◼   ► around the pole 16 times because he [TS]

00:48:25 ◼   ► didn't want his dog to have free rein [TS]

00:48:26 ◼   ► but I undid the dog and when I when I [TS]

00:48:30 ◼   ► stood back up I turned around and this [TS]

00:48:32 ◼   ► girl who was somebody that I understood [TS]

00:48:38 ◼   ► to be a high-status girl hmm and I swear [TS]

00:48:44 ◼   ► to you I've tried to remember her name [TS]

00:48:45 ◼   ► thirty thousand times because we became [TS]

00:48:49 ◼   ► it was the first time I ever was [TS]

00:48:52 ◼   ► actively flirtatious with a with a young [TS]

00:48:56 ◼   ► lady Wow when we were we we saw each [TS]

00:48:59 ◼   ► other one time at a grocery store where [TS]

00:49:02 ◼   ► she was with her mom and I was with my [TS]

00:49:03 ◼   ► mom and our parents noticed because you [TS]

00:49:08 ◼   ► know we'd go up an aisle and they'd go [TS]

00:49:09 ◼   ► down the other aisle and when we would [TS]

00:49:11 ◼   ► look at each other from down the aisle [TS]

00:49:14 ◼   ► we were just like eyes locked like hmm [TS]

00:49:17 ◼   ► little birds flying around my mom was [TS]

00:49:19 ◼   ► like who is that girl she's really you [TS]

00:49:22 ◼   ► guys are really like vibin yeah [TS]

00:49:24 ◼   ► chemistry [TS]

00:49:25 ◼   ► we had chemistry but I was standing [TS]

00:49:27 ◼   ► there having just rescued this dog and [TS]

00:49:29 ◼   ► she was there and she came over and [TS]

00:49:30 ◼   ► kissed me and I was like what do I do [TS]

00:49:34 ◼   ► now what do I do now and unfortunately I [TS]

00:49:38 ◼   ► didn't even then this became a trait [TS]

00:49:41 ◼   ► throughout my life even then I like so [TS]

00:49:43 ◼   ► little knew what to do that I just did [TS]

00:49:47 ◼   ► nothing [TS]

00:49:47 ◼   ► shut shut down completely and was just [TS]

00:49:50 ◼   ► like totally normal Durer yeah but I [TS]

00:49:52 ◼   ► never went to her and said will you be [TS]

00:49:54 ◼   ► my girlfriend and she never came to me [TS]

00:49:57 ◼   ► and said like will you go with me or [TS]

00:49:58 ◼   ► whatever cuz we're in fourth grade right [TS]

00:50:00 ◼   ► we're not in fifth we're not so [TS]

00:50:01 ◼   ► sophisticated as 5th grade and then I [TS]

00:50:04 ◼   ► moved away I did it all so I moved away [TS]

00:50:07 ◼   ► to do I move to Alaska and so she went [TS]

00:50:10 ◼   ► on to she went on to a life so distant [TS]

00:50:13 ◼   ► from me that I cannot even recall her [TS]

00:50:15 ◼   ► name [TS]

00:50:16 ◼   ► Oh God and our class pictures the ones [TS]

00:50:19 ◼   ► that they gave us throughout the 70s [TS]

00:50:21 ◼   ► where we all stood in the gym or we all [TS]

00:50:23 ◼   ► like lined up yeah the little kids knelt [TS]

00:50:27 ◼   ► in the front and the tall kids stood in [TS]

00:50:29 ◼   ► the back yeah those those class pictures [TS]

00:50:33 ◼   ► have no names so they never put like all [TS]

00:50:35 ◼   ► the names underneath that's a memorial [TS]

00:50:37 ◼   ► hmm right so you well now I just look at [TS]

00:50:41 ◼   ► and I'm like I remember Thomas from [TS]

00:50:43 ◼   ► Peter Kluger and I remember that girl's [TS]

00:50:49 ◼   ► name right right otherwise I'm just I'm [TS]

00:50:51 ◼   ► blind when you're losing a little bit [TS]

00:50:53 ◼   ► every day [TS]

00:50:54 ◼   ► well yeah but I couldn't have told you [TS]

00:50:56 ◼   ► who they were 15 years ago [TS]

00:50:58 ◼   ► I sent you a link to images of York [TS]

00:51:00 ◼   ► steak house the last York steak house [TS]

00:51:02 ◼   ► closed in the late 80s well so our [TS]

00:51:06 ◼   ► version of that oh I see so this is like [TS]

00:51:08 ◼   ► yeah it's done up like a sizzler this is [TS]

00:51:11 ◼   ► a city like it's supposed to be like a [TS]

00:51:13 ◼   ► castle it's supposed to be there's like [TS]

00:51:14 ◼   ► yeah right right [TS]

00:51:16 ◼   ► in Anchorage there was a clinker dagger [TS]

00:51:20 ◼   ► Bickerstaff and Pitt's bigger stabbing [TS]

00:51:32 ◼   ► pits I think it's I don't think it's [TS]

00:51:34 ◼   ► Bickerstaff I think it's bigger [TS]

00:51:35 ◼   ► interesting but the waitresses they're [TS]

00:51:39 ◼   ► actually dressed like medieval wenches [TS]

00:51:41 ◼   ► and it was table service it wasn't like [TS]

00:51:44 ◼   ► walk up and there's a menu it was it was [TS]

00:51:46 ◼   ► the fancy medieval steakhouse I don't [TS]

00:51:49 ◼   ► understand why steak houses and [TS]

00:51:51 ◼   ► restaurants had so many themes back then [TS]

00:51:55 ◼   ► it's a little bit like skins there are [TS]

00:51:58 ◼   ► themes in a video game where you've got [TS]

00:52:00 ◼   ► the basic game but then you can slap [TS]

00:52:02 ◼   ► some adventuretime on then it's not [TS]

00:52:03 ◼   ► really like a large extra cost you know [TS]

00:52:05 ◼   ► you gotta give it a feel like Ponderosa [TS]

00:52:08 ◼   ► and that kind of like a Western feel [TS]

00:52:10 ◼   ► right like and then obviously your oh [TS]

00:52:13 ◼   ► god oh look at these look at that you go [TS]

00:52:15 ◼   ► and you pick you look at a photo of your [TS]

00:52:17 ◼   ► steak and you pick up by number say the [TS]

00:52:20 ◼   ► number well I see here now yeah a lot of [TS]

00:52:23 ◼   ► different kinds of pie I'm like I like a [TS]

00:52:25 ◼   ► lot of pie yeah [TS]

00:52:26 ◼   ► we had some fresh-baked bread there were [TS]

00:52:30 ◼   ► a couple of places in Anchorage like [TS]

00:52:31 ◼   ► there was a one I forget the name but [TS]

00:52:33 ◼   ► every room in the restaurant it was big [TS]

00:52:36 ◼   ► big restaurant and every room in the [TS]

00:52:38 ◼   ► place had a different themes so your [TS]

00:52:40 ◼   ► waiter would come yeah I'm sorry I got [TS]

00:52:45 ◼   ► involved in this page about how to [TS]

00:52:46 ◼   ► become a franchisee of steak and ale I'd [TS]

00:52:47 ◼   ► like to return to that I like the wacky [TS]

00:52:50 ◼   ► 70s like where waiters and waitresses [TS]

00:52:52 ◼   ► dress up and there's themes and that [TS]

00:52:53 ◼   ► guy's got a straw boater on but then you [TS]

00:52:56 ◼   ► go the Farrell's but for spaghetti [TS]

00:52:58 ◼   ► exactly like a pirate hat on yeah this [TS]

00:53:03 ◼   ► one she's wearing a hoop skirt and and [TS]

00:53:05 ◼   ► he's got up you know it's a copy and all [TS]

00:53:09 ◼   ► the fun you would have I knew his kids [TS]

00:53:11 ◼   ► yes spaghetti spaghetti warehouse which [TS]

00:53:15 ◼   ► sounds like a terrible name that can't [TS]

00:53:16 ◼   ► possibly the name of this so for my [TS]

00:53:18 ◼   ► birthday when I was 10 spaghetti where [TS]

00:53:21 ◼   ► the Getty warehouse [TS]

00:53:23 ◼   ► so that's actually a seattle chain you [TS]

00:53:26 ◼   ► know that started in Seattle and they [TS]

00:53:29 ◼   ► had they had two different kinds of [TS]

00:53:31 ◼   ► bread we wheat bread and white bread [TS]

00:53:33 ◼   ► really a little like a little sort of [TS]

00:53:40 ◼   ► one of those pizza that wooden sort of [TS]

00:53:42 ◼   ► pizza boards oh sure sure sure it's like [TS]

00:53:46 ◼   ► ooh to read but for two kinds of bread [TS]

00:53:48 ◼   ► yep and you would have two kinds of [TS]

00:53:50 ◼   ► butter oh you know dairy butter no then [TS]

00:53:54 ◼   ► they would have garlic butter the dark [TS]

00:53:58 ◼   ► ramekin dark all right if you were ready [TS]

00:54:02 ◼   ► to go there did every Spaghetti [TS]

00:54:03 ◼   ► Warehouse have a trainer I thought that [TS]

00:54:05 ◼   ► was just ours no they all had a train [TS]

00:54:07 ◼   ► well they all my goodness a street car [TS]

00:54:09 ◼   ► or a train car yeah yeah that had tables [TS]

00:54:12 ◼   ► in it Oh [TS]

00:54:12 ◼   ► oh my god I remember this so on my tenth [TS]

00:54:16 ◼   ► birthday I remember this so well it's oh [TS]

00:54:18 ◼   ► they got meatballs calm is their domain [TS]

00:54:20 ◼   ► that's a great domain well it's super [TS]

00:54:22 ◼   ► good I mean think of all he talks about [TS]

00:54:24 ◼   ► call the all the businesses that could [TS]

00:54:26 ◼   ► have gotten meatballs calm I got bill [TS]

00:54:28 ◼   ► murray san group yeah right like it's [TS]

00:54:31 ◼   ► raining meatballs or whatever that don't [TS]

00:54:33 ◼   ► howl oh yeah it's raining meatballs I [TS]

00:54:34 ◼   ► see Chloe Clyde with chip yes yeah [TS]

00:54:37 ◼   ► yes meatballs comp see that's smart that [TS]

00:54:40 ◼   ► is smart at smart IP meatballs calm it [TS]

00:54:42 ◼   ► could have been anything I wanna see [TS]

00:54:45 ◼   ► pictures of the dressed up people well [TS]

00:54:47 ◼   ► so so Spaghetti Warehouse have I think [TS]

00:54:51 ◼   ► their signature dish [TS]

00:54:53 ◼   ► to be honest was Mozilla cheese mmm they [TS]

00:54:57 ◼   ► had Mozilla cheese which seemed so [TS]

00:55:00 ◼   ► exotic it was like a rear was like a [TS]

00:55:03 ◼   ► graded sort of sharp foreign cheese [TS]

00:55:09 ◼   ► ain't no parmesan was it's a-- and they [TS]

00:55:13 ◼   ► would make this and so so obviously what [TS]

00:55:15 ◼   ► you would get was half and half which [TS]

00:55:17 ◼   ► was half my sit through cheese on your [TS]

00:55:18 ◼   ► spaghetti and half meat sauce and you [TS]

00:55:21 ◼   ► would kind of mix the two in the might [TS]

00:55:23 ◼   ► or or if you were some if you were the [TS]

00:55:25 ◼   ► other kind of person you'd eat a little [TS]

00:55:27 ◼   ► bit of missus rim they need to eat a [TS]

00:55:28 ◼   ► little bit of meat [TS]

00:55:30 ◼   ► it was definitely where you went for [TS]

00:55:33 ◼   ► your birthday and and in Seattle it [TS]

00:55:34 ◼   ► remains the place that you go on prom [TS]

00:55:36 ◼   ► night [TS]

00:55:37 ◼   ► is that right starting during prom [TS]

00:55:39 ◼   ► season you can't even go into a [TS]

00:55:42 ◼   ► spaghetti warehouse is that right that's [TS]

00:55:43 ◼   ► so interesting so many proms happening [TS]

00:55:46 ◼   ► see this is also this is a little bit [TS]

00:55:48 ◼   ► orthogonal to the sort of Bennigan's [TS]

00:55:51 ◼   ► Bennigan's was also Bennigan's to me was [TS]

00:55:53 ◼   ► like you know very Steely Dan kind of [TS]

00:55:56 ◼   ► like ferns and brass kind of place then [TS]

00:55:58 ◼   ► there was that trend of like what [TS]

00:55:59 ◼   ► Cracker Barrel type things but like shit [TS]

00:56:01 ◼   ► on the walls kind of places [TS]

00:56:03 ◼   ► spaghetti warehouses a little bit of a [TS]

00:56:05 ◼   ► shit on the walls kind of places don't [TS]

00:56:06 ◼   ► you think oh there could be a loom or an [TS]

00:56:08 ◼   ► old coca-cola sign that kind of thing [TS]

00:56:10 ◼   ► yeah but but the Spaghetti Warehouse had [TS]

00:56:14 ◼   ► it was very old-timey it was very [TS]

00:56:17 ◼   ► streetcar in the middle of the of the [TS]

00:56:20 ◼   ► restaurant spot and yeah they would have [TS]

00:56:24 ◼   ► worn gaiters on there or like believe [TS]

00:56:30 ◼   ► stop yes exactly so it appears that so [TS]

00:56:34 ◼   ► did you ever stick a nail was was always [TS]

00:56:38 ◼   ► loomed large in my childhood you didn't [TS]

00:56:40 ◼   ► have those well sticking out was like [TS]

00:56:42 ◼   ► again it's a little bit medieval you go [TS]

00:56:44 ◼   ► in the menu is on a cleaver they hand [TS]

00:56:48 ◼   ► you a cleaver weighs a couple pounds and [TS]

00:56:50 ◼   ► that [TS]

00:56:50 ◼   ► got the menu on it but it's not a sharp [TS]

00:56:52 ◼   ► libra it's a donkey it's a pretty dull [TS]

00:56:54 ◼   ► cleaver it's a medieval cleaver and they [TS]

00:56:56 ◼   ► give you the menu on that so this is a [TS]

00:56:57 ◼   ► page at Bennigan's calm which apparently [TS]

00:57:00 ◼   ► now owns take a nail and this is this is [TS]

00:57:03 ◼   ► a certain kind of webpage that I really [TS]

00:57:04 ◼   ► enjoy that was never written for a human [TS]

00:57:07 ◼   ► being the headline on the pages thank [TS]

00:57:09 ◼   ► you for your interest well and being a [TS]

00:57:16 ◼   ► part of the legendary family of brands [TS]

00:57:18 ◼   ► Bennigan's Bennigan's on the fly and [TS]

00:57:20 ◼   ► steak and ale that's the interest that [TS]

00:57:22 ◼   ► they're thanking you for we are pleased [TS]

00:57:24 ◼   ► to share some information about our [TS]

00:57:25 ◼   ► beloved brands once you've read through [TS]

00:57:27 ◼   ► these materials we would welcome the [TS]

00:57:29 ◼   ► opportunity to speak franchise created [TS]

00:57:34 ◼   ► in 1966 by Norman breaker period once [TS]

00:57:38 ◼   ► revered for its once revered for its [TS]

00:57:39 ◼   ► succulent prime rib warm bread and [TS]

00:57:41 ◼   ► bountiful salad bar sticky nail is [TS]

00:57:42 ◼   ► poised for an epic comeback redefining I [TS]

00:57:47 ◼   ► think I'm doing munch squad redefined as [TS]

00:57:49 ◼   ► a 21st century polished casual consular [TS]

00:57:54 ◼   ► elements that made it an American [TS]

00:57:55 ◼   ► classic the new sticky nail will once [TS]

00:57:57 ◼   ► again set the standard for affordable [TS]

00:57:59 ◼   ► stay guided and supported by an expert [TS]

00:58:02 ◼   ► operations and management team qualified [TS]

00:58:04 ◼   ► franchisees have the opportunity to [TS]

00:58:06 ◼   ► generate a media consumer loyalty by [TS]

00:58:08 ◼   ► bringing back a beloved restaurant [TS]

00:58:10 ◼   ► blessed with decades of goodwill and [TS]

00:58:12 ◼   ► brand equity whoa blessed they just put [TS]

00:58:15 ◼   ► it right out you're getting what I'm [TS]

00:58:16 ◼   ► getting from this though this is kind of [TS]

00:58:18 ◼   ► like boy this is my 67 Mustang that [TS]

00:58:23 ◼   ► nobody hasn't been able to start in 30 [TS]

00:58:25 ◼   ► years won't it be great you imagine [TS]

00:58:28 ◼   ► yourself driving this thing how great [TS]

00:58:29 ◼   ► that is gonna be does it have a little [TS]

00:58:30 ◼   ► bit that feel to it well the people that [TS]

00:58:33 ◼   ► open franchises that's always been very [TS]

00:58:37 ◼   ► curious to me right it's like I want to [TS]

00:58:39 ◼   ► own a restaurant but I don't want to [TS]

00:58:41 ◼   ► think about it I don't want to think [TS]

00:58:42 ◼   ► about all that restaurant e stuff like [TS]

00:58:44 ◼   ► right what kind of restaurant what we [TS]

00:58:46 ◼   ► what it what what our menu is like a [TS]

00:58:50 ◼   ► very retired sports guy thing to do yeah [TS]

00:58:53 ◼   ► like owning a Pawnee what exactly you [TS]

00:58:56 ◼   ► want to like invest in this turnkey [TS]

00:58:58 ◼   ► operation isn't that kind of like isn't [TS]

00:59:00 ◼   ► that the appeal to a lot of people's [TS]

00:59:02 ◼   ► like okay I have $150,000 [TS]

00:59:04 ◼   ► to invest in something I want something [TS]

00:59:06 ◼   ► that's gonna grow and I don't have to do [TS]

00:59:07 ◼   ► too much work on so I become a [TS]

00:59:08 ◼   ► franchisee yeah and there's a ton of [TS]

00:59:10 ◼   ► there are other franchisees out there [TS]

00:59:13 ◼   ► who are gonna help me figure out how to [TS]

00:59:14 ◼   ► hire a manager and then I really got a [TS]

00:59:17 ◼   ► great operations team at Bennigan's I [TS]

00:59:19 ◼   ► bet they do and you know they're like [TS]

00:59:21 ◼   ► McDonald's franchisees a lot of them [TS]

00:59:23 ◼   ► have five or six different restaurants [TS]

00:59:25 ◼   ► and they're just like we're I guess [TS]

00:59:26 ◼   ► raking in the dough yeah you can tell [TS]

00:59:29 ◼   ► the franchisee McDonald's it's not this [TS]

00:59:30 ◼   ► it's really interesting to think that [TS]

00:59:33 ◼   ► well first of all who's gonna go to the [TS]

00:59:36 ◼   ► steak and ale web website obviously they [TS]

00:59:38 ◼   ► don't think it's gonna be a customer now [TS]

00:59:41 ◼   ► who wants to see the menu they don't [TS]

00:59:43 ◼   ► think we should look at this you and me [TS]

00:59:44 ◼   ► it's the title the page is owned a steak [TS]

00:59:47 ◼   ► and ale dress here you just let them [TS]

00:59:52 ◼   ► know you can help bring back this [TS]

00:59:53 ◼   ► American classic all right I'm looking [TS]

00:59:55 ◼   ► up steak and ale here host well no stop [TS]

00:59:59 ◼   ► speaking [TS]

00:59:59 ◼   ► speaking [TS]

01:00:00 ◼   ► yeah here you go slash Bennigan's Wow oh [TS]

01:00:03 ◼   ► and it had you sort of like a a brand on [TS]

01:00:06 ◼   ► wood mm-hmm so that that would suggest [TS]

01:00:10 ◼   ► Western but then I see that the other [TS]

01:00:13 ◼   ► logo is a shield establish 1966 which [TS]

01:00:17 ◼   ► was a heyday for medieval period oh this [TS]

01:00:21 ◼   ► is great oh my gosh they've built out a [TS]

01:00:23 ◼   ► whole site for this step one Weiss take [TS]

01:00:25 ◼   ► a nail the new stick a nail offers a [TS]

01:00:27 ◼   ► contemporary cost-effective franchise [TS]

01:00:29 ◼   ► opportunity for with a highly [TS]

01:00:30 ◼   ► recognizable brand and jumping down our [TS]

01:00:32 ◼   ► franchisees benefit from a state of the [TS]

01:00:34 ◼   ► art restaurant prototype computing unit [TS]

01:00:36 ◼   ► economics low cost of entry contemporary [TS]

01:00:38 ◼   ► look with iconic elements warm intimate [TS]

01:00:40 ◼   ► atmosphere smaller footprint to increase [TS]

01:00:41 ◼   ► real-estate flexibility right right [TS]

01:00:43 ◼   ► right right small footprint investment [TS]

01:00:50 ◼   ► profile you get a polished casual [TS]

01:00:53 ◼   ► experience at a casual dining price [TS]

01:00:54 ◼   ► point yeah franchise might be localized [TS]

01:00:56 ◼   ► and they appeal to multiple generations [TS]

01:00:58 ◼   ► so so here's my question yeah I know [TS]

01:01:02 ◼   ► what a Bennigan's is and I know what a [TS]

01:01:04 ◼   ► steak a nail is but what is a Bennigan's [TS]

01:01:06 ◼   ► on the fly I think a Bennigan's on the [TS]

01:01:07 ◼   ► fly it's gonna be like that you know how [TS]

01:01:10 ◼   ► shitty Chili's is but then you get to [TS]

01:01:11 ◼   ► even shittier Chili's next to Chili's in [TS]

01:01:14 ◼   ► an airport what's that called Chili's to [TS]

01:01:19 ◼   ► go chili squirts like that I bet it's a [TS]

01:01:23 ◼   ► little squirts I bet it's like that with [TS]

01:01:25 ◼   ► the benning's on the flight let's find [TS]

01:01:26 ◼   ► out about betting it's on-the-fly [TS]

01:01:27 ◼   ► Bennigan's on the fly I just feel like [TS]

01:01:28 ◼   ► you you could not say that without [TS]

01:01:30 ◼   ► making a little bit of a hip hop gesture [TS]

01:01:33 ◼   ► with your hands like a little bit of I [TS]

01:01:36 ◼   ► did it with a little bit you hit it with [TS]

01:01:39 ◼   ► some backwards palm out uh-huh [TS]

01:01:42 ◼   ► like like back of hand out accentuation [TS]

01:01:45 ◼   ► Hawks on Teague oh and guess what same [TS]

01:01:49 ◼   ► number same email address thank you for [TS]

01:01:50 ◼   ► interest in being part of the legendary [TS]

01:01:52 ◼   ► family of brands Bennigan's you can buy [TS]

01:01:53 ◼   ► a Bennigan's Bennigan's is a high-energy [TS]

01:01:55 ◼   ► neighborhood restaurant and tavern that [TS]

01:01:56 ◼   ► is redefining casual dining Wow again Oh [TS]

01:02:00 ◼   ► bleats green demonstrates a 25/8 focus [TS]

01:02:03 ◼   ► on supporting our franchise community [TS]

01:02:05 ◼   ► 25/8 [TS]

01:02:06 ◼   ► they bleed green oh they're they're [TS]

01:02:08 ◼   ► making a connection to their Irish roots [TS]

01:02:10 ◼   ► they bleed green and the demonstrative [TS]

01:02:13 ◼   ► 25/8 folk [TS]

01:02:13 ◼   ► that's like you know the Beatles eight [TS]

01:02:15 ◼   ► days a week 25 hours a day eight days a [TS]

01:02:17 ◼   ► week [TS]

01:02:17 ◼   ► I think it's what that 25 825 825 no [TS]

01:02:21 ◼   ► they don't really say 25 eight dancing [TS]

01:02:23 ◼   ► quotes 25 hours a day eight days a week [TS]

01:02:26 ◼   ► all the forms pretty long you thought a [TS]

01:02:28 ◼   ► form I'm just saying you and me I don't [TS]

01:02:30 ◼   ► know what guy I don't have a lot extra [TS]

01:02:31 ◼   ► dough right now but like I'm thinking [TS]

01:02:33 ◼   ► maybe between you me you know Ken [TS]

01:02:34 ◼   ► Jennings when we go in and I'm like a [TS]

01:02:37 ◼   ► bet against or a stick in hell I'm gonna [TS]

01:02:38 ◼   ► leave nothing here so you know what i [TS]

01:02:40 ◼   ► just did i clicked on Bennigan's fran [TS]

01:02:43 ◼   ► franchise opportunities international oh [TS]

01:02:45 ◼   ► and that actually has a five-step [TS]

01:02:48 ◼   ► process yeah step one why Bennigan's [TS]

01:02:52 ◼   ► stem to growth markets yeah yeah they [TS]

01:02:54 ◼   ► got it for all of them I'm telling you [TS]

01:02:56 ◼   ► that you click on domestic you get this [TS]

01:02:57 ◼   ► - but not for international I bet that's [TS]

01:02:59 ◼   ► a good deal more complicated for [TS]

01:03:00 ◼   ► international well so here's here's what [TS]

01:03:02 ◼   ► I see when I click on the growth markets [TS]

01:03:04 ◼   ► map I see several Bennigan's in Mexico [TS]

01:03:07 ◼   ► looks more than a handful and then one [TS]

01:03:10 ◼   ► that appears to be in Ankara Turkey oh [TS]

01:03:14 ◼   ► yeah look at that and one in South Korea [TS]

01:03:17 ◼   ► okay oh oh at least Wow is that a shadow [TS]

01:03:20 ◼   ► or there - oh there might be two - in [TS]

01:03:23 ◼   ► South Korea one in one in Turkey or [TS]

01:03:26 ◼   ► maybe on the island of Crete [TS]

01:03:29 ◼   ► it's hard to tell exactly because they [TS]

01:03:31 ◼   ► won't let me zoom in on the map I know [TS]

01:03:32 ◼   ► it's very far there's not a single one [TS]

01:03:34 ◼   ► in Europe I feel like you could put [TS]

01:03:36 ◼   ► thirty of these in Saudi Arabia [TS]

01:03:38 ◼   ► oh absolutely put some TVs up but then [TS]

01:03:42 ◼   ► you look at the sign and it says [TS]

01:03:43 ◼   ► American fare Irish hospitality Irish [TS]

01:03:48 ◼   ► hospitality okay when you think of [TS]

01:03:49 ◼   ► hospitality yeah I guess taking Irish [TS]

01:03:51 ◼   ► you really do think of the Irish current [TS]

01:03:54 ◼   ► promotions well I you know obviously [TS]

01:03:55 ◼   ► this is gonna be an oh my goodness oh my [TS]

01:03:58 ◼   ► goodness I'm on the now I'm on the [TS]

01:04:00 ◼   ► current promotions page for Bennigan's [TS]

01:04:01 ◼   ► the yolo Monta burger that's got some [TS]

01:04:05 ◼   ► kind of a cream on it and it's got a [TS]

01:04:06 ◼   ► sauce on top of the bun that's a very [TS]

01:04:08 ◼   ► Irish name Yolo mana dellamonte [TS]

01:04:10 ◼   ► [Laughter] [TS]

01:04:13 ◼   ► yolo Monta like on Hollywood Squares at [TS]

01:04:16 ◼   ► some point tell me tell me do you think [TS]

01:04:22 ◼   ► yeah you me owning a franchise [TS]

01:04:26 ◼   ► restaurant [TS]

01:04:27 ◼   ► let's start start with the relationship [TS]

01:04:29 ◼   ► not the property right right we'll find [TS]

01:04:31 ◼   ► the property that matches what it is [TS]

01:04:33 ◼   ► that we're about I think you and if with [TS]

01:04:36 ◼   ► the two of us we're gonna open a [TS]

01:04:37 ◼   ► franchise restaurant we would pick a [TS]

01:04:39 ◼   ► third city that's neither of our cities [TS]

01:04:43 ◼   ► right like we could put one in Missoula [TS]

01:04:46 ◼   ► Montana let's say is it selfish for us [TS]

01:04:48 ◼   ► to want the kinds of foods that we like [TS]

01:04:50 ◼   ► to have at certain times of day because [TS]

01:04:51 ◼   ► I feel like a big part is a passion [TS]

01:04:53 ◼   ► project we're like you're not just gonna [TS]

01:04:55 ◼   ► go into this as an investor this is a [TS]

01:04:57 ◼   ► lifestyle job like if we're gonna really [TS]

01:04:58 ◼   ► put our back into it there should [TS]

01:05:00 ◼   ► probably be some dim sum so you want to [TS]

01:05:02 ◼   ► put this in a city where you can go and [TS]

01:05:04 ◼   ► kind of be be the boss be the big can [TS]

01:05:06 ◼   ► turn it what if we just don't care and [TS]

01:05:09 ◼   ► it's really just about making money [TS]

01:05:10 ◼   ► that's another way to look at it yeah [TS]

01:05:13 ◼   ► like it sits in Winnemucca Nevada and [TS]

01:05:16 ◼   ► neither of us ever go there put in [TS]

01:05:18 ◼   ► Bakersfield or we could open two of them [TS]

01:05:21 ◼   ► one in Seattle and one in in San [TS]

01:05:23 ◼   ► Francisco I just wonder if you're the [TS]

01:05:24 ◼   ► owner of a Bennigan's on the fly yes can [TS]

01:05:28 ◼   ► you be one of those people that's like [TS]

01:05:29 ◼   ► well that's the that's the bosses table [TS]

01:05:32 ◼   ► like the table always has a reserved but [TS]

01:05:34 ◼   ► tent on it and you're just like I that's [TS]

01:05:36 ◼   ► you know we keep that for the boss cuz [TS]

01:05:38 ◼   ► he comes in all the time and once a I [TS]

01:05:40 ◼   ► understand what you're saying you're [TS]

01:05:42 ◼   ► saying look I'm more than the franchisee [TS]

01:05:44 ◼   ► like I'm the owner well yeah if I don't [TS]

01:05:46 ◼   ► want to have potatoes on this menu guess [TS]

01:05:48 ◼   ► what no potatoes on that menu this is [TS]

01:05:50 ◼   ► the way John likes it you cook the [TS]

01:05:51 ◼   ► burgers the way you like it the only [TS]

01:05:52 ◼   ► reason I would open a restaurant is to [TS]

01:05:54 ◼   ► give myself somewhere to go every day [TS]

01:05:56 ◼   ► you get a big table you get a bank at [TS]

01:05:58 ◼   ► like a big curvy banquette well yeah we [TS]

01:06:00 ◼   ► you that's all just always reserved for [TS]

01:06:01 ◼   ► John you sit in there sometimes people [TS]

01:06:03 ◼   ► come over and I'm gonna pay you in [TS]

01:06:20 ◼   ► installments and you're like no I'm [TS]

01:06:22 ◼   ► afraid you're not I'm afraid you're [TS]

01:06:24 ◼   ► gonna give me that 50 grand by Friday or [TS]

01:06:26 ◼   ► and then a guy a really big guy breaks [TS]

01:06:31 ◼   ► knuckles to give him a breadstick yeah [TS]

01:06:33 ◼   ► you kind of stand he takes two steps [TS]

01:06:35 ◼   ► closer to him sort of like sort of like [TS]

01:06:38 ◼   ► the Mountain Inn [TS]

01:06:40 ◼   ► all exactly you step a little bit too [TS]

01:06:42 ◼   ► close to the Queen yeah he never says [TS]

01:06:44 ◼   ► anything you cannot pick up ideas now [TS]

01:06:46 ◼   ► what got a de Deus what if you had like [TS]

01:06:50 ◼   ► a raised area not precisely an Iron [TS]

01:06:52 ◼   ► Throne well like an iron bank at what if [TS]

01:06:53 ◼   ► you got an area that was just for John [TS]

01:06:55 ◼   ► and the people that he invited into [TS]

01:06:56 ◼   ► court it would absolutely be a little [TS]

01:06:58 ◼   ► bit higher than anything else in the [TS]

01:07:00 ◼   ► room it would be it's like when you go [TS]

01:07:05 ◼   ► to the pharmacy right just just enough [TS]

01:07:07 ◼   ► to be kind of annoying a little bit [TS]

01:07:08 ◼   ► higher yeah and then the tip the chairs [TS]

01:07:10 ◼   ► on the other side of the table all have [TS]

01:07:12 ◼   ► their legs cut down like just an inch [TS]

01:07:14 ◼   ► just all the customers chairs have the [TS]

01:07:17 ◼   ► diagonals of legs just like an eighth of [TS]

01:07:19 ◼   ► an inch shorter so you're never quite [TS]

01:07:20 ◼   ► comfortable yeah they're always kind of [TS]

01:07:22 ◼   ► sitting there well you know what's your [TS]

01:07:23 ◼   ► customers you want your customers to [TS]

01:07:25 ◼   ► come back it's just the people that are [TS]

01:07:27 ◼   ► sitting them close to you oh it was [TS]

01:07:28 ◼   ► close to you well I think it's a good [TS]

01:07:30 ◼   ► idea for you to keep everybody on their [TS]

01:07:31 ◼   ► toes they go with piles of paper and [TS]

01:07:41 ◼   ► also wearing sunglasses that are tinted [TS]

01:07:43 ◼   ► at the top but not as a bother [TS]

01:07:46 ◼   ► it's kind of like Jim Jones franchise [TS]

01:07:49 ◼   ► opportunity and they keep like three [TS]

01:07:51 ◼   ► times the day they come out put a steak [TS]

01:07:52 ◼   ► in front of that's the only reason I [TS]

01:08:06 ◼   ► would open a Bennigan's on the fly to [TS]

01:08:08 ◼   ► give myself that the waiters be allowed [TS]

01:08:10 ◼   ► to vape not during no working hours but [TS]

01:08:14 ◼   ► you can stand in the back of the kitchen [TS]

01:08:16 ◼   ► you can stand in the back of the kitchen [TS]

01:08:17 ◼   ► and bake a fan's back there but I like [TS]