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H.I. #89 -- A Swarm of Bad Emoji

 

00:00:00 ◼   ► saying as you and I are both wearing

00:00:01 ◼   ► hello internet merchandise at the moment

00:00:03 ◼   ► you wearing a reunion swamp in t-shirt

00:00:06 ◼   ► and me that mighty nailing gear who it

00:00:09 ◼   ► does remind me of a question I've been

00:00:10 ◼   ► meaning to ask you for a while yeah I

00:00:12 ◼   ► don't want to put you on the spot here

00:00:14 ◼   ► but I am I had made for you and had sent

00:00:17 ◼   ► to you Oh a pair of hello Internet

00:00:20 ◼   ► limited edition sneakers Oh

00:00:22 ◼   ► oh yes I didn't really expect you to

00:00:26 ◼   ► wear them cuz you know you're you but

00:00:28 ◼   ► I'm curious as to what's happened to

00:00:30 ◼   ► them well I mean Brady I I think you

00:00:31 ◼   ► know I'm a real sneaker head I'm a big

00:00:35 ◼   ► fan of collecting sneakers yeah one of

00:00:37 ◼   ► the things when you're in the sneaker

00:00:39 ◼   ► head world or the sneaker verse as we

00:00:42 ◼   ► call it right is you you want to keep

00:00:45 ◼   ► your really special sneakers in mint

00:00:48 ◼   ► condition

00:00:49 ◼   ► yeah absolute pristine mint condition

00:00:52 ◼   ► suniverse is a good name as well who

00:00:54 ◼   ► universe I'll pass that on to the other

00:00:56 ◼   ► sneaker heads and see okay see how that

00:00:58 ◼   ► gets accepted on the ICQ where we chat

00:01:01 ◼   ► don't get me wrong I mean I have a pair

00:01:03 ◼   ► I wear and a second pair in mint

00:01:05 ◼   ► condition so I have my mint condition

00:01:06 ◼   ► pair I'm just wondering where your mint

00:01:09 ◼   ► condition pair is oh you want to know

00:01:13 ◼   ► where it is yeah I don't think you're

00:01:15 ◼   ► wearing them okay it's pride of place in

00:01:18 ◼   ► the house Brady they're in a box which

00:01:22 ◼   ► is behind my laundry hamper so that it

00:01:26 ◼   ► is as safe and as protected an item can

00:01:30 ◼   ► be in the house

00:01:31 ◼   ► if robbers were ever to show up they

00:01:33 ◼   ► won't find the hello internet sneakers

00:01:35 ◼   ► I'm impressed they're in the house I'm

00:01:37 ◼   ► happy with that I'll take that do you

00:01:38 ◼   ► feel like that's a victory yeah

00:01:40 ◼   ► did you honestly think Brady that I

00:01:42 ◼   ► might tell you that I had thrown away

00:01:43 ◼   ► the hello internet sneakers that you

00:01:45 ◼   ► have lovingly handmade well I didn't

00:01:48 ◼   ► think you'd tell me you had but I still

00:01:49 ◼   ► think there is a chance you have I think

00:01:51 ◼   ► it's more likely you've read them like

00:01:54 ◼   ► you sent them to a relative or someone

00:01:56 ◼   ► who listens to the show mm-hmm with my

00:01:58 ◼   ► same shoe size is that who I would send

00:02:00 ◼   ► it to well yeah I imagine you must have

00:02:03 ◼   ► some relative with the same same shoe

00:02:05 ◼   ► size as you probably yeah family trees

00:02:08 ◼   ► are quite extensive but now you haven't

00:02:10 ◼   ► reqif didn't know they're in my house

00:02:12 ◼   ► they

00:02:13 ◼   ► Henry gifted they are in mint condition

00:02:15 ◼   ► and shall remain so for ever I think

00:02:20 ◼   ► maybe I have been ever mint condition

00:02:25 ◼   ► conundrum at the moment hmm because for

00:02:29 ◼   ► my birthday which was back in June

00:02:31 ◼   ► mm-hmm I really wanted the Saturn 5 Lego

00:02:36 ◼   ► rocket that was released around that

00:02:39 ◼   ► time with 1969 pieces it was one of the

00:02:42 ◼   ► most impressive Lego things I'd ever

00:02:44 ◼   ► seen so I said to my wife because she

00:02:46 ◼   ► never knows what to get me for my

00:02:47 ◼   ► birthday I said that's what I want

00:02:49 ◼   ► mm-hmm so she got it for me I was over

00:02:52 ◼   ► the moon I was very pleased with it but

00:02:57 ◼   ► I haven't made it partly because I

00:03:00 ◼   ► haven't had time but also like I like

00:03:02 ◼   ► that it's in its box and in mint

00:03:04 ◼   ► condition and like I kind of like the

00:03:06 ◼   ► box and like knowing that all the pieces

00:03:08 ◼   ► of it and they're all beautifully

00:03:09 ◼   ► arranged and and I kind of don't want to

00:03:12 ◼   ► make it I'm seriously wondering if it's

00:03:14 ◼   ► still on sale whether I should buy a

00:03:16 ◼   ► second one so I can make one and keep

00:03:18 ◼   ► one in mint condition in a box as like a

00:03:20 ◼   ► display think I have some follow-up

00:03:24 ◼   ► questions here Brady hmm I feel like I

00:03:27 ◼   ► have ended up with a mint condition item

00:03:30 ◼   ► in my house through a series of

00:03:32 ◼   ► extraordinary circumstances but yeah

00:03:35 ◼   ► I've started a podcast with a friend

00:03:37 ◼   ► that podcast ended up creating

00:03:39 ◼   ► merchandise straight from the brain of

00:03:42 ◼   ► my friend who shipped some right to my

00:03:43 ◼   ► house it's not ordinary circumstances

00:03:45 ◼   ► that such a thing would exist

00:03:47 ◼   ► yeah you however are looking to

00:03:51 ◼   ► intentionally have a mint condition Lego

00:03:54 ◼   ► box and I'm imagining this is quite a

00:03:56 ◼   ► big Lego box like what's the size of

00:03:57 ◼   ► this thing I would say it's about the

00:04:00 ◼   ► size of two cake boxes two or three cake

00:04:03 ◼   ► boxes how the cake box as compared to

00:04:07 ◼   ► bread baskets I don't know this measure

00:04:08 ◼   ► you know the hello internet sneaker box

00:04:10 ◼   ► yes it's about the size of three of them

00:04:12 ◼   ► okay I have a sense of that but for the

00:04:14 ◼   ► listeners those who did not acquire

00:04:17 ◼   ► hello internet sneakers how many

00:04:18 ◼   ► Audrey's is the box

00:04:20 ◼   ► how many Audrey's could you fit inside

00:04:22 ◼   ► the box that's the standard measure we

00:04:23 ◼   ► use here

00:04:24 ◼   ► you could probably fit three to four

00:04:27 ◼   ► Audrey's in the box all right the audrey

00:04:29 ◼   ► has been packing on the pounds lately

00:04:31 ◼   ► that's good

00:04:32 ◼   ► my mental estimate here is you could fit

00:04:33 ◼   ► ten arteries in but you must be really

00:04:35 ◼   ► it depends on how tightly you pack them

00:04:37 ◼   ► and and how much she's been putting on

00:04:39 ◼   ► the weight oh so I'm aware that these

00:04:41 ◼   ► Lego things if they're unboxed have a

00:04:43 ◼   ► greater resale value like years later

00:04:46 ◼   ► but I never sell these things anyway so

00:04:48 ◼   ► I don't really think that's my reason I

00:04:51 ◼   ► don't think it's a financial

00:04:52 ◼   ► consideration I think it's just for

00:04:54 ◼   ► liking the neatness and the beauty of an

00:04:56 ◼   ► unboxed awesome thing right you're not

00:04:58 ◼   ► investing in Legos here no no and I just

00:05:02 ◼   ► feel like the boxed rocket and made just

00:05:07 ◼   ► feels like a nicer thing to me than if I

00:05:10 ◼   ► made it like if I made it I'm just gonna

00:05:12 ◼   ► have this big rocker that obviously is

00:05:15 ◼   ► made of Lego mm-hmm and like I don't

00:05:17 ◼   ► know where I'd put that or how I'd feel

00:05:18 ◼   ► about that whereas I really like the box

00:05:20 ◼   ► I just like how the Box looks and I like

00:05:23 ◼   ► knowing what's in it and I can't explain

00:05:25 ◼   ► it I know it's a bit weird I'm trying

00:05:27 ◼   ► very hard to understand and maybe I have

00:05:31 ◼   ► used this analogy before when I when I

00:05:33 ◼   ► try to think of these kinds of things

00:05:34 ◼   ► but the closest I can come is the

00:05:38 ◼   ► promise of unused stationery like an

00:05:42 ◼   ► unwritten in notebook that is true it is

00:05:45 ◼   ► the promise of what you could write in

00:05:48 ◼   ► there as opposed to what you actually do

00:05:51 ◼   ► which which just doesn't live up to the

00:05:53 ◼   ► ideal that analogy is good beyond what

00:05:56 ◼   ► you know because when I was a school

00:05:59 ◼   ► mm-hmm in year 3 mm-hmm so I must have

00:06:04 ◼   ► been what like around 8 years old or

00:06:06 ◼   ► something

00:06:06 ◼   ► mm-hmm yes but right my year 3 teacher

00:06:08 ◼   ► who I still remember was mrs. delbridge

00:06:10 ◼   ► and she had this diary which was a

00:06:14 ◼   ► five-year diary you could keep five

00:06:17 ◼   ► years in it because of the way the pages

00:06:19 ◼   ► were configured like oh five years

00:06:20 ◼   ► schedule do you mean like a calendar for

00:06:22 ◼   ► five years yeah it was basically yeah

00:06:24 ◼   ► okay especially what I was I had a

00:06:25 ◼   ► little lock on and I was completely

00:06:27 ◼   ► besotted by it mm-hmm and it was the

00:06:29 ◼   ► prize for the student who did the best

00:06:32 ◼   ► work in their journal that year we had

00:06:33 ◼   ► like a daily journal we had to write

00:06:35 ◼   ► stuff in it

00:06:36 ◼   ► I was just obsessed with winning it and

00:06:38 ◼   ► it was going to be given at the end of

00:06:40 ◼   ► the year and while most of the kids

00:06:43 ◼   ► didn't care about the journal and would

00:06:45 ◼   ► write stuff about like what they did

00:06:47 ◼   ► last night or what they watched on TV or

00:06:49 ◼   ► you know what they did in the holidays I

00:06:52 ◼   ► decided to turn my journal into like a

00:06:55 ◼   ► spy novel which I just wrote each day

00:06:57 ◼   ► and it was this fictional story about

00:06:59 ◼   ► this spy having all these adventures he

00:07:01 ◼   ► was called I am I don't know why I

00:07:03 ◼   ► called him okay it was this epic tale

00:07:06 ◼   ► spanning to exercise books and there was

00:07:09 ◼   ► one other girl in the class who kept a

00:07:11 ◼   ► really good journal and she had much

00:07:13 ◼   ► better handwriting than me of course she

00:07:15 ◼   ► also really wanted to win it and I was

00:07:17 ◼   ► convinced that she was gonna win it and

00:07:18 ◼   ► I still remember at the end of the year

00:07:20 ◼   ► mrs. Dilber sang and the winner of the

00:07:22 ◼   ► Diary is and she opened up the page and

00:07:24 ◼   ► my name had been written in the front

00:07:26 ◼   ► where it said this belongs to

00:07:27 ◼   ► then I'd won the five-year diary which

00:07:29 ◼   ► I'd wanted all year so I took it home

00:07:33 ◼   ► and I thought this is amazing this is I

00:07:35 ◼   ► finally got it it's mine I've coveted

00:07:38 ◼   ► this for so long and I never ever wrote

00:07:41 ◼   ► in it or did anything with it because I

00:07:43 ◼   ► was too scared to ruin the beautiful

00:07:45 ◼   ► empty diary I didn't want to sully it so

00:07:47 ◼   ► for the next three or four years I just

00:07:48 ◼   ► kept this five-year diary thinking next

00:07:50 ◼   ► year maybe I'll start it when I when my

00:07:52 ◼   ► handwriting's better and I know I won't

00:07:54 ◼   ► ruin it as I said your handwriting will

00:07:56 ◼   ► never be good enough to live up to the

00:07:57 ◼   ► idea of the diary yeah especially the

00:07:59 ◼   ► longer you have it as it has gone on for

00:08:02 ◼   ► two years it becomes like oh well now I

00:08:04 ◼   ► really need to have something great to

00:08:06 ◼   ► write in this thing yeah it's like if

00:08:07 ◼   ► you're keeping a bottle of champagne for

00:08:09 ◼   ► a special occasion the longer you go

00:08:11 ◼   ► without drinking the special allure the

00:08:13 ◼   ► occasion needs to be in order to drink

00:08:15 ◼   ► that champagne like well we haven't

00:08:16 ◼   ► drank this for two years now it has to

00:08:18 ◼   ► be an amazing event you sort of say

00:08:20 ◼   ► critize an object by not using it that's

00:08:22 ◼   ► it that's what's happening to the rocket

00:08:23 ◼   ► mm-hmm say critizing anta yeah I think

00:08:26 ◼   ► that is what what's happening my

00:08:27 ◼   ► strategy for this at least with paper

00:08:30 ◼   ► stationery because I used to use paper

00:08:32 ◼   ► notebooks all the time

00:08:33 ◼   ► I can used always have a paper notebook

00:08:34 ◼   ► with me I used to write in paper

00:08:35 ◼   ► notebooks for all kinds of projects and

00:08:37 ◼   ► the stationery used to be a much bigger

00:08:39 ◼   ► part of my life than it currently is but

00:08:41 ◼   ► I was always aware of feeling that

00:08:45 ◼   ► feeling about oh my dumb ideas are not

00:08:47 ◼   ► worthy of this pristine book and so my

00:08:49 ◼   ► strategy was to just every time I got a

00:08:52 ◼   ► notebook intentionally just scribble all

00:08:55 ◼   ► over the first page like okay now it's

00:08:58 ◼   ► fine because there's no this first page

00:09:01 ◼   ► needs to be the opening lines of war in

00:09:03 ◼   ► peace

00:09:04 ◼   ► I am Dees a critizing but maybe it's

00:09:08 ◼   ► like degrading the notebook down to my

00:09:10 ◼   ► normal human level I was like okay well

00:09:12 ◼   ► now I can write sullying it when I got

00:09:16 ◼   ► my new iPhone the other day the first

00:09:19 ◼   ► day I had I happened to go to the gym

00:09:20 ◼   ► and when I go to the gym I give my phone

00:09:22 ◼   ► and my car keys and my wallet to my

00:09:23 ◼   ► trainer and he goes into like a back

00:09:25 ◼   ► locked room and puts them in his gym bag

00:09:27 ◼   ► mm-hmm so I said I've got a new phone

00:09:30 ◼   ► and I hand it over to him and I said can

00:09:31 ◼   ► you just be careful when you put it in

00:09:33 ◼   ► that the keys like scratch up against

00:09:35 ◼   ► the phone Lou and I never say things

00:09:37 ◼   ► like that

00:09:37 ◼   ► he looked at me funny and I said I just

00:09:39 ◼   ► got the phone today and you know I don't

00:09:40 ◼   ► want to scratch it and he was like I had

00:09:42 ◼   ► no problems I understand I'll be really

00:09:43 ◼   ► careful when I put it in my bag mm-hmm I

00:09:45 ◼   ► went back to the gym two days later and

00:09:47 ◼   ► handed over my stuff to him and he said

00:09:49 ◼   ► I'll be careful and I said don't care

00:09:51 ◼   ► any more seriously as the half-life of

00:09:54 ◼   ► it was to the iPhone is sacred for a day

00:09:56 ◼   ► and after that I don't care but the

00:09:59 ◼   ► first day you have it you know you're

00:10:00 ◼   ► polishing it on your t-shirt all the

00:10:01 ◼   ► time to make sure there's no

00:10:02 ◼   ► fingerprints on it and making sure it's

00:10:04 ◼   ► so beautiful and then two days later it

00:10:06 ◼   ► was like yeah

00:10:07 ◼   ► chuck it in it's just my phone now so

00:10:10 ◼   ► after there's big conversation about how

00:10:11 ◼   ► sacred

00:10:12 ◼   ► your unopened box of Lego is what do you

00:10:14 ◼   ► think you're going to do here braiding

00:10:15 ◼   ► it's still open I don't know what you

00:10:18 ◼   ► might have to do is buy the second box

00:10:20 ◼   ► hmm

00:10:20 ◼   ► build the Lego Saturn rocket and then

00:10:24 ◼   ► display the Lego Saturn rocket on top of

00:10:26 ◼   ► the box

00:10:26 ◼   ► with the other one what will I do with

00:10:29 ◼   ► the empty box will you'll throw that one

00:10:30 ◼   ► away have you seen how gorgeous the box

00:10:34 ◼   ► is this is the point in these

00:10:35 ◼   ► conversations Brady where I feel like

00:10:36 ◼   ► I've tried to work with you but now it's

00:10:38 ◼   ► too far you're gonna keep two identical

00:10:41 ◼   ► boxes of a lego Construction Set in your

00:10:44 ◼   ► head that's what you're gonna do that's

00:10:45 ◼   ► the ultimate idea when you were going to

00:10:46 ◼   ► buy the second one is that you're going

00:10:48 ◼   ► to keep the two boxes because they're

00:10:49 ◼   ► beautiful okay but you know that's crazy

00:10:51 ◼   ► right it would be a difficult box to

00:10:53 ◼   ► throw away that's all I'm saying I don't

00:10:55 ◼   ► know man I feel like we're getting close

00:10:57 ◼   ► to an episode of Hoarders when you're

00:10:58 ◼   ► telling me that you're gonna keep both

00:10:59 ◼   ► of the boxes of the Saturn 5 rocket when

00:11:01 ◼   ► you both

00:11:02 ◼   ► yeah tell me I have a second one don't

00:11:05 ◼   ► tie me up that your plan is when you get

00:11:08 ◼   ► the second vote you're going to keep it

00:11:09 ◼   ► I don't know man

00:11:11 ◼   ► I could go along with the constructed

00:11:13 ◼   ► rocket in front of or on top of the box

00:11:15 ◼   ► of the unopened one but that's a keep

00:11:17 ◼   ► the two boxes like I don't know I don't

00:11:20 ◼   ► know what to say to you yeah I don't

00:11:21 ◼   ► know him what why it's gonna go because

00:11:23 ◼   ► while they are nice it is a nice box it

00:11:25 ◼   ► is a little bit childish so it's not

00:11:27 ◼   ► really in keeping with the look of my

00:11:29 ◼   ► office you know with the nice green

00:11:31 ◼   ► walls and lovely framed pictures so but

00:11:34 ◼   ► it's your office your office is what you

00:11:36 ◼   ► want to make it you can have Lego

00:11:38 ◼   ► Rockets in your office if you want to

00:11:39 ◼   ► yeah but I want it to have a certain

00:11:40 ◼   ► grown-up look as well right of course

00:11:42 ◼   ► go on and look do you know quite often

00:11:47 ◼   ► when I go through feedback like in the

00:11:49 ◼   ► emails and on the reddit and stuff like

00:11:51 ◼   ► that I do enjoy it and I am grateful for

00:11:54 ◼   ► it but it always feels quite like

00:11:57 ◼   ► sometimes it feels a bit antagonistic

00:11:59 ◼   ► there is a certain heat to it that

00:12:02 ◼   ► sometimes can rile you up or you don't

00:12:04 ◼   ► enjoy especially when people are

00:12:06 ◼   ► disagreeing on things or disagreeing

00:12:08 ◼   ► with us it's like manner because you

00:12:09 ◼   ► know they feel frustrated because they

00:12:11 ◼   ► can't get their say to us we're gonna

00:12:13 ◼   ► feel a bit frustrated because we can't

00:12:14 ◼   ► answer all their comments I've been

00:12:17 ◼   ► going through a lot of the feedback on

00:12:18 ◼   ► which is better the moon landing or the

00:12:21 ◼   ► Mars landing

00:12:22 ◼   ► oh the which is more impressive and

00:12:23 ◼   ► there's been lots of discussion about it

00:12:25 ◼   ► yeah their hands their hands and both

00:12:26 ◼   ► views are be important you know what

00:12:27 ◼   ► I've completely enjoyed it mm-hmm I've

00:12:30 ◼   ► enjoyed the tone of it

00:12:32 ◼   ► I've enjoyed both sides of the argument

00:12:34 ◼   ► I still think I'm right of course and

00:12:36 ◼   ► the moon landing is more impressive than

00:12:38 ◼   ► the Mars landing but I've enjoyed what

00:12:39 ◼   ► the Mars landing people have had to say

00:12:41 ◼   ► I've enjoyed engaging with a little bit

00:12:43 ◼   ► of it it's been one of the more

00:12:44 ◼   ► enjoyable bits of civilized feedback and

00:12:48 ◼   ► discussions we've had as a result of the

00:12:50 ◼   ► show that's nice to hear baby hmm there

00:12:54 ◼   ► is also always the problem when you're

00:12:56 ◼   ► going through feedback if you've made

00:12:58 ◼   ► anything online and then people are

00:13:00 ◼   ► leaving comments and I feel like this is

00:13:01 ◼   ► also one of the fundamental problems of

00:13:03 ◼   ► the Internet is that there is no

00:13:04 ◼   ► indication of tone of how the person is

00:13:08 ◼   ► saying the other thing I think it's very

00:13:10 ◼   ► easy when you're reading feedback that

00:13:11 ◼   ► is critical of you that the the narrator

00:13:14 ◼   ► in your head

00:13:15 ◼   ► for the comment that you're reading has

00:13:17 ◼   ► angry tone which might not at all be

00:13:19 ◼   ► what the person is intending which of

00:13:22 ◼   ► course is why we have a proliferation of

00:13:24 ◼   ► emoticons and smiley faces everywhere

00:13:26 ◼   ► but at least on on Reddit and YouTube

00:13:28 ◼   ► like the emoji encroachment has not

00:13:30 ◼   ► reached their to a full extent so I

00:13:32 ◼   ► think it can be hard to understand how

00:13:34 ◼   ► did the person mean the comment but I'm

00:13:37 ◼   ► very happy that you've been enjoying the

00:13:38 ◼   ► Moon vs Mars feedback I also enjoy all

00:13:40 ◼   ► those comment threads I still think that

00:13:44 ◼   ► Mars is more impressive to me but I felt

00:13:47 ◼   ► myself a bit swayed by the idea that for

00:13:50 ◼   ► humans on the long scale the moon is

00:13:53 ◼   ► objectively more impressive I felt

00:13:56 ◼   ► myself pulled in that direction by the

00:13:57 ◼   ► feedback yeah I think maybe the reason

00:13:59 ◼   ► I've found it so easy reading the

00:14:01 ◼   ► feedback is my assuredness that I'm

00:14:03 ◼   ► right hahaha

00:14:05 ◼   ► maybe it's that you're so confident in

00:14:08 ◼   ► your opinion that it's just like oh yeah

00:14:10 ◼   ► there's no there's no arguing with a

00:14:12 ◼   ► Brady on this oh so there was another

00:14:15 ◼   ► big space event since we last recorded

00:14:18 ◼   ► and this was the Cassini space probe

00:14:21 ◼   ► which had been doing the business around

00:14:23 ◼   ► Saturn for years now and send you back

00:14:25 ◼   ► all these great photos mm-hmm that

00:14:27 ◼   ► mission finally came to its end and it

00:14:30 ◼   ► was sent plunging into the atmosphere of

00:14:32 ◼   ► Saturn for a big dramatic finale because

00:14:34 ◼   ► they didn't want to leave it just you

00:14:36 ◼   ► know cruising around the orbit of Saturn

00:14:38 ◼   ► as space junk yeah basically and I have

00:14:41 ◼   ► in the past been critical of height and

00:14:45 ◼   ► space sheer pressure and things like

00:14:47 ◼   ► that movie and admittedly when this was

00:14:49 ◼   ► happening I did go on Twitter and I was

00:14:51 ◼   ► a little bit naughty and made a few

00:14:52 ◼   ► provocative tweets just for fun but I

00:14:55 ◼   ► will say overall I thought the level of

00:14:59 ◼   ► Cassini hype in my timeline at least in

00:15:02 ◼   ► the social media I was saying was

00:15:04 ◼   ► pitched just perfect it was right this

00:15:06 ◼   ► time I was very pleased

00:15:08 ◼   ► I thought the mainstream media may be

00:15:10 ◼   ► slightly under played it but of course a

00:15:12 ◼   ► space note is always going to think that

00:15:13 ◼   ► but the space cheerleaders around the

00:15:16 ◼   ► place I thought it was about right you

00:15:19 ◼   ► know they were passionate and emotional

00:15:21 ◼   ► and I teased them about it a little bit

00:15:23 ◼   ► on the Twitter particularly when I said

00:15:26 ◼   ► that taking nice pictures of Saturn is

00:15:27 ◼   ► low-hanging fruit

00:15:29 ◼   ► but overall I thought it was about right

00:15:31 ◼   ► and I wish they're all science events

00:15:34 ◼   ► were treated about that tone

00:15:36 ◼   ► there was a proportional response you

00:15:40 ◼   ► think taking pictures of Saturdays

00:15:42 ◼   ► low-hanging fruit yeah it's a bit oh

00:15:44 ◼   ► we're isn't amazing we got these

00:15:46 ◼   ► beautiful pictures of a satin I mean

00:15:47 ◼   ► anyone with the 2005 Nokia pointing

00:15:50 ◼   ► vaguely in the direction of sad could

00:15:52 ◼   ► take an amazing photo set but don't get

00:15:55 ◼   ► me wrong I did like the scene II

00:15:56 ◼   ► preferred the Voyager missions myself

00:15:59 ◼   ► well you will have a Voyager man I said

00:16:01 ◼   ► that on Twitter as well

00:16:02 ◼   ► I said I'm more of avoid you man I was

00:16:05 ◼   ► impressed by Cassini and it was a really

00:16:07 ◼   ► cool mission its Voyager 2 still going

00:16:10 ◼   ► I'm just realizing I don't know is is

00:16:11 ◼   ► that yeah I think they're still getting

00:16:12 ◼   ► signals from both of them there's a new

00:16:15 ◼   ► story every few weeks that they've

00:16:16 ◼   ► finally left the solar system as the

00:16:18 ◼   ► definition of the solar system keeps

00:16:20 ◼   ► changing for PR reasons really you're so

00:16:22 ◼   ► cynical there hasn't been a void you

00:16:24 ◼   ► left the solar system story for a few

00:16:26 ◼   ► weeks and actually so I'm sure we can

00:16:27 ◼   ► redefine the edge of the sun's magneto

00:16:30 ◼   ► sphere once again has the true edge of

00:16:32 ◼   ► the solar system so we can get that

00:16:34 ◼   ► story and just quickly can I praised

00:16:36 ◼   ► SpaceX for a minute and you're trying to

00:16:38 ◼   ► win over our commenters Brady I think

00:16:41 ◼   ► they did something I like credit where

00:16:43 ◼   ► credit's due

00:16:44 ◼   ► they posted a YouTube video montage of

00:16:47 ◼   ► their greatest failures and crashes it

00:16:50 ◼   ► was this brilliant montage of rockets

00:16:52 ◼   ► exploding and everything that went wrong

00:16:53 ◼   ► and I really enjoyed it I thought it was

00:16:57 ◼   ► really cool and I liked that they were

00:16:58 ◼   ► able to take the mickey out of himself

00:17:01 ◼   ► in that way it hacked back to a famous

00:17:03 ◼   ► scene in the film the right stuff where

00:17:05 ◼   ► they show a whole bunch of rocket

00:17:06 ◼   ► failures so maybe - and the stage would

00:17:08 ◼   ► kick in again but it was a really cool

00:17:11 ◼   ► video this was on the official channel

00:17:12 ◼   ► they published a compilation of their

00:17:14 ◼   ► failures yes

00:17:15 ◼   ► is this it how not to land an orbital

00:17:17 ◼   ► rocket booster it probably is yeah you

00:17:21 ◼   ► know what I've got to give a company

00:17:23 ◼   ► credit for doing that kind of thing yeah

00:17:24 ◼   ► I mean to be fair if you've got that

00:17:26 ◼   ► incredible sexy footage why not use it

00:17:28 ◼   ► because there's not many things more

00:17:29 ◼   ► amazing to look at then a rocket going

00:17:31 ◼   ► wrong but still some companies would not

00:17:34 ◼   ► couch it in this way so good on them I'm

00:17:37 ◼   ► watching the video now it's pretty good

00:17:39 ◼   ► and it certainly helps if these are all

00:17:41 ◼   ► unmanned

00:17:42 ◼   ► rockets yeah it did occur to me that the

00:17:44 ◼   ► first time something goes wrong with a

00:17:45 ◼   ► rocket with a person on it that this

00:17:47 ◼   ► video is gonna maybe come back to bite

00:17:50 ◼   ► them on the backside which is why the

00:17:51 ◼   ► companies would do it that's exactly it

00:17:53 ◼   ► you're putting something out there in

00:17:55 ◼   ► the world for people to hold against you

00:17:56 ◼   ► but I'll give a company credit for doing

00:17:57 ◼   ► that kind of thing this is definitely

00:17:59 ◼   ► some impressive explosions yeah they're

00:18:02 ◼   ► nice nice footage I'll put it in the

00:18:04 ◼   ► show notes for people to watch so

00:18:05 ◼   ► speaking of your approval of the Cassini

00:18:08 ◼   ► news coverage there's something I want

00:18:11 ◼   ► to touch on from two shows ago there was

00:18:14 ◼   ► a topic that came up briefly and it was

00:18:17 ◼   ► when you were discussing the overhyped

00:18:19 ◼   ► eclipse in America yeah the eclipse of

00:18:22 ◼   ► the millennium I believe was what it was

00:18:24 ◼   ► being called I know when you're poking

00:18:26 ◼   ► me on purpose I'm not even gonna bother

00:18:28 ◼   ► correct was that because they're not

00:18:29 ◼   ► right I might be mistaken I don't know

00:18:31 ◼   ► by the way I do realize when you'd like

00:18:32 ◼   ► to deliberately say things wrong like a

00:18:34 ◼   ► dad you know who does it just to whine

00:18:36 ◼   ► the kids up okay you keep not

00:18:37 ◼   ► understanding what akka means I do know

00:18:39 ◼   ► you do that on purpose by the way

00:18:41 ◼   ► oh I understand what akka mean it's

00:18:43 ◼   ► great I think I understand I got better

00:18:44 ◼   ► than you I think you're too close to it

00:18:47 ◼   ► and you can't understand what akka

00:18:49 ◼   ► really is all right but yes I was

00:18:51 ◼   ► critical of the eclipse of the century

00:18:53 ◼   ► hype coming from our friends across the

00:18:56 ◼   ► Atlantic yeah so you made some comments

00:18:58 ◼   ► about the American centric nests of

00:18:59 ◼   ► American news and speaking of feedback

00:19:02 ◼   ► in the comments there were about a

00:19:04 ◼   ► bazillion comments in the reddit where

00:19:06 ◼   ► people were jumping on this bandwagon

00:19:09 ◼   ► about how American centric the news is

00:19:11 ◼   ► and I am NOT one to defend the news

00:19:15 ◼   ► people might be aware of that but this

00:19:17 ◼   ► is one case we didn't touch upon it at

00:19:19 ◼   ► the time but I have to say reading the

00:19:21 ◼   ► comments where people were complaining

00:19:22 ◼   ► about how American centric the news in

00:19:24 ◼   ► America is I'm fine with that

00:19:26 ◼   ► of all of the myriad of things I could

00:19:28 ◼   ► complain about American news the fact

00:19:31 ◼   ► that it focuses on America is like the

00:19:34 ◼   ► most minor of complaints that could

00:19:35 ◼   ► possibly be I think it's actually

00:19:38 ◼   ► totally justified for example there was

00:19:41 ◼   ► a comment that I'm I'm sort of picking

00:19:42 ◼   ► at random but I think works well as an

00:19:45 ◼   ► example where there was someone from

00:19:48 ◼   ► Brazil who was complaining about having

00:19:49 ◼   ► moved to America that nobody in America

00:19:52 ◼   ► knows anything about

00:19:54 ◼   ► right that it never comes up on the

00:19:55 ◼   ► American news they were you know sort of

00:19:58 ◼   ► making fun of Americans for saying

00:19:59 ◼   ► Americans would ask him if he speaks

00:20:01 ◼   ► Brazilian as a question about like

00:20:02 ◼   ► what's what's Brazil like or not knowing

00:20:05 ◼   ► where in the world Brazil is that's like

00:20:07 ◼   ► I kind of get that it's funny to make

00:20:10 ◼   ► fun of Americans for not knowing these

00:20:12 ◼   ► things but what I was thinking about was

00:20:14 ◼   ► I was trying to think okay what is to

00:20:17 ◼   ► Brazil as Brazil is to America

00:20:20 ◼   ► how do we measure the different sizes of

00:20:22 ◼   ► countries and this may not be a perfect

00:20:25 ◼   ► comparison but I thought I think you

00:20:28 ◼   ► could use the GDP of a country as a

00:20:32 ◼   ► rough first order approximation for how

00:20:36 ◼   ► important is it in the world I'm not

00:20:38 ◼   ► saying that's a perfect measure but I

00:20:40 ◼   ► think we can ballpark that yeah and it

00:20:44 ◼   ► works out just about perfectly that the

00:20:46 ◼   ► Brazilian GDP is one-tenth the size of

00:20:49 ◼   ► the American GDP and of course the

00:20:52 ◼   ► United States GDP is the largest in the

00:20:54 ◼   ► world by a pretty decent margin so the

00:20:57 ◼   ► country that is to Brazil as Brazil is

00:20:59 ◼   ► to the United States is a country like

00:21:02 ◼   ► the Czech Republic or Romania and I just

00:21:07 ◼   ► kind of would love to know how often the

00:21:11 ◼   ► goings-on of Romania or the Czech

00:21:14 ◼   ► Republic are in Brazilian news and if

00:21:18 ◼   ► someone from Romania could be like oh

00:21:19 ◼   ► the Brazilian news doesn't cover Romania

00:21:22 ◼   ► as often as they think it should but it

00:21:24 ◼   ► would feel like well of course it

00:21:26 ◼   ► doesn't how does the Czech Republic or

00:21:28 ◼   ► Romania impact Brazil like not really a

00:21:30 ◼   ► lot and so I really feel like American

00:21:33 ◼   ► news is American centric Ness it's

00:21:36 ◼   ► totally fine and it's a thing that I am

00:21:38 ◼   ► very happy to defend as far as American

00:21:41 ◼   ► news goes well maybe I didn't put my

00:21:44 ◼   ► case properly mm-hmm I think it is ok

00:21:46 ◼   ► for news to be parochial mm-hmm I worked

00:21:49 ◼   ► on the newspaper in Adelaide and

00:21:50 ◼   ► everything was about what's the Adelaide

00:21:52 ◼   ► angle if a huge disaster happens on the

00:21:55 ◼   ► other side of the world the first thing

00:21:56 ◼   ► we wonder is I wonder if anyone from

00:21:58 ◼   ► Adelaide was there Pirozhki onus is fair

00:22:01 ◼   ► enough I think the American news does go

00:22:04 ◼   ► too far like I think they're too

00:22:06 ◼   ► cool I think they could just turn that

00:22:09 ◼   ► dial down just a little bit but I'm

00:22:12 ◼   ► alright with Pirozhki or news coverage

00:22:13 ◼   ► because you got a play to your audience

00:22:16 ◼   ► mm-hmm but my problem is they're kind of

00:22:18 ◼   ► it's almost kind of like a well I hope

00:22:21 ◼   ► it's a willful ignorance for example if

00:22:23 ◼   ► a new building got built in America that

00:22:25 ◼   ► was taller than every other building in

00:22:27 ◼   ► America but it was shorter than the Burj

00:22:30 ◼   ► Khalifa which is the tallest building in

00:22:31 ◼   ► the world and say it was built in

00:22:34 ◼   ► Chicago and then the American news in

00:22:37 ◼   ► the Chicago News ran a story about this

00:22:40 ◼   ► new building and called it the biggest

00:22:42 ◼   ► building ever I'd be like no it's not

00:22:46 ◼   ► the biggest building ever it's the

00:22:47 ◼   ► biggest building in America mm-hmm

00:22:50 ◼   ► that's like how the finals of the

00:22:51 ◼   ► baseball in America is called the World

00:22:53 ◼   ► Series that's the classic example isn't

00:22:55 ◼   ► it this is not the World Series to

00:22:57 ◼   ► decide the world champions they crowned

00:22:59 ◼   ► the world champions of baseball every

00:23:00 ◼   ► year based on who won a domestic us

00:23:03 ◼   ► competition well it does include Canada

00:23:06 ◼   ► greatly this is more where my problem is

00:23:08 ◼   ► it's kind of this this ignorant of the

00:23:10 ◼   ► bigger picture mm-hmm and I think that's

00:23:12 ◼   ► the problem I think you need to know how

00:23:15 ◼   ► you fit into the world

00:23:17 ◼   ► I don't mind skewing the coverage and

00:23:19 ◼   ► you know not covering every minor

00:23:22 ◼   ► incident that happens in Romania mm-hmm

00:23:24 ◼   ► but I think it's degrees and I think

00:23:27 ◼   ► America goes a little bit too far there

00:23:29 ◼   ► are some TV channels in the UK when

00:23:32 ◼   ► they're covering the news and they try

00:23:33 ◼   ► to be all high and mighty and be really

00:23:35 ◼   ► international and I get really bored I

00:23:37 ◼   ► think yeah enough of all this boring

00:23:39 ◼   ► stuff about the stuff that's happening

00:23:41 ◼   ► in other countries this is so worthy

00:23:43 ◼   ► tell me why there was a big traffic jam

00:23:45 ◼   ► on my motorway today you know I want my

00:23:47 ◼   ► local news so you can't go too far the

00:23:49 ◼   ► other way and be to unsend Trek but I

00:23:53 ◼   ► think America goes the other way it's to

00:23:55 ◼   ► America centric I want my porridge is

00:23:57 ◼   ► just right is that too much to ask

00:24:00 ◼   ► I mean look as a man who wants to bend

00:24:03 ◼   ► the entire world to his will I

00:24:05 ◼   ► understand you want your porridge just

00:24:07 ◼   ► right I can sympathize there I think of

00:24:09 ◼   ► a lot of this stuff in life like it I

00:24:11 ◼   ► don't know how to articulate this very

00:24:13 ◼   ► well but it's a bit like everything in

00:24:15 ◼   ► life is a series of dials and it's like

00:24:17 ◼   ► yes of course we would want the dial to

00:24:19 ◼   ► be tuned just

00:24:20 ◼   ► right but you can never know when it's

00:24:22 ◼   ► tuned just right so you have to think

00:24:25 ◼   ► about it in terms of like well what

00:24:26 ◼   ► happens if this dial is tuned too much

00:24:28 ◼   ► and what happens if it's tuned too

00:24:31 ◼   ► little and think about like what are the

00:24:33 ◼   ► consequences in in these directions

00:24:36 ◼   ► because you just don't know where the

00:24:38 ◼   ► exact correct setting is and I look at

00:24:40 ◼   ► the American centric nests of American

00:24:42 ◼   ► news and and feel mostly like well of

00:24:44 ◼   ► course this dial is going to be turned

00:24:46 ◼   ► way to one side and it's because the

00:24:50 ◼   ► United States is it's like such an

00:24:52 ◼   ► incredibly large and important

00:24:55 ◼   ► economically in political country in the

00:24:57 ◼   ► world and very few other countries can

00:25:01 ◼   ► impact the United States in any

00:25:03 ◼   ► meaningful way

00:25:04 ◼   ► and essentially the only foreign news

00:25:06 ◼   ► that Americans get is about the

00:25:08 ◼   ► countries that may be able to impact the

00:25:10 ◼   ► United States and in some way and that

00:25:12 ◼   ► is a tiny handful of countries and to

00:25:16 ◼   ► expect that it's much broader beyond

00:25:19 ◼   ► that I think is kind of unreasonable

00:25:21 ◼   ► like the stuff like the world series is

00:25:22 ◼   ► just funny and that's why the eclipse of

00:25:24 ◼   ► the century was a perfect example

00:25:26 ◼   ► because as you said last time I was like

00:25:27 ◼   ► how is this being measured like there's

00:25:29 ◼   ► no there's no objective way it's the

00:25:31 ◼   ► eclipse of the century except that it's

00:25:32 ◼   ► happening right now in America like that

00:25:35 ◼   ► stuff is funny my personal peeve is a

00:25:37 ◼   ► kind of beating on Americans for not

00:25:40 ◼   ► knowing about the world outside and I

00:25:43 ◼   ► think it's because it's such an

00:25:44 ◼   ► asymmetric relationship like people in

00:25:46 ◼   ► other countries know all sorts of stuff

00:25:49 ◼   ► about America because what America does

00:25:51 ◼   ► affects those countries but Americans

00:25:53 ◼   ► don't know about the countries that

00:25:55 ◼   ► their policies affect because one

00:25:57 ◼   ► there's vastly more of them and and two

00:26:00 ◼   ► like well frankly those countries their

00:26:02 ◼   ► actions don't really affect the United

00:26:04 ◼   ► States nearly as much so like II just I

00:26:06 ◼   ► just think it's not surprising that this

00:26:08 ◼   ► is the situation that we're in that's a

00:26:10 ◼   ► bit of a shame mm-hmm I can spare for

00:26:12 ◼   ► shame that's something so powerful and

00:26:13 ◼   ► that can affect so many other people is

00:26:16 ◼   ► so unaware of those people but I hear

00:26:20 ◼   ► argument I guess it bothers me mostly

00:26:22 ◼   ► because I remember coming to the UK a

00:26:23 ◼   ► long time ago and getting into

00:26:25 ◼   ► conversations with people about how like

00:26:26 ◼   ► oh it's amazing how you don't know

00:26:27 ◼   ► anything about all of our countries and

00:26:29 ◼   ► I was originally on the side of like oh

00:26:31 ◼   ► I should I should feel totally ashamed

00:26:33 ◼   ► by

00:26:33 ◼   ► but then eventually I kind of changed my

00:26:35 ◼   ► mind I'm like wait a minute what like

00:26:37 ◼   ► why would I know the details of like how

00:26:39 ◼   ► the politics in France works like why

00:26:42 ◼   ► would this ever be a thing that would

00:26:44 ◼   ► come across my attention before having

00:26:46 ◼   ► having moved to Europe like it never

00:26:48 ◼   ► would in any meaningful way so I

00:26:50 ◼   ► shouldn't feel bad about not having

00:26:52 ◼   ► known it when I showed up so I think

00:26:54 ◼   ► that's why it's like a little personal

00:26:55 ◼   ► thing for me I'm okay with you defending

00:26:57 ◼   ► your countrymen but I do think one

00:27:00 ◼   ► should strive for more information and

00:27:04 ◼   ► more knowledge in life in all ways and

00:27:06 ◼   ► that includes knowledge of the world and

00:27:09 ◼   ► you know we should know how the

00:27:10 ◼   ► electoral system in France works I don't

00:27:12 ◼   ► but I shouldn't be proud that I don't I

00:27:15 ◼   ► should say I wish I did I wish I knew

00:27:17 ◼   ► everything but I do feel like a

00:27:20 ◼   ► statement like oh we should all strive

00:27:21 ◼   ► to know more about the world like it's

00:27:22 ◼   ► very easy to say but it's very hard to

00:27:25 ◼   ► agree with the specifics of what exactly

00:27:27 ◼   ► does that mean because there's an

00:27:29 ◼   ► infinite amount of things to know about

00:27:31 ◼   ► absolutely everything and so if we

00:27:34 ◼   ► accept that as a premise we immediately

00:27:37 ◼   ► have to start filtering out almost

00:27:39 ◼   ► everything about everything it's not

00:27:42 ◼   ► possible to know about all of the things

00:27:44 ◼   ► so there there has to be some sort of

00:27:46 ◼   ► filter again that's why I'm not

00:27:48 ◼   ► surprised that Americans they know about

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00:29:31 ◼   ► so grace since we last spoke I know

00:29:35 ◼   ► there's been another announcement from

00:29:37 ◼   ► the temple the temple Apple has

00:29:39 ◼   ► announced new iPhones for all the fans

00:29:43 ◼   ► and I'll tell you what if you went to a

00:29:45 ◼   ► dictionary and looked up unimpressed you

00:29:49 ◼   ► could put a photo of me watching the

00:29:51 ◼   ► iPhone announcement there yeah as far as

00:29:56 ◼   ► I can tell and you set me straight if

00:29:57 ◼   ► I'm wrong but this new iPhone don't can

00:30:01 ◼   ► I call it iPhone X I know I'm supposed

00:30:03 ◼   ► to call it 10 okay no let's let's get

00:30:05 ◼   ► this on the record here I am boycotting

00:30:07 ◼   ► the 10 they're not going along with

00:30:10 ◼   ► their it's iPhone 10 it's like I'm sorry

00:30:12 ◼   ► if you're gonna put the big letter X

00:30:13 ◼   ► there I'm calling it X it's it's not

00:30:16 ◼   ► gonna happen I Apple but I feel like

00:30:18 ◼   ► like pulling out the X in any branding

00:30:21 ◼   ► time it's like your big gun isn't it and

00:30:23 ◼   ► that's like okay it's time it's time for

00:30:26 ◼   ► the X version of whatever we've got

00:30:28 ◼   ► mm-hmm so I expect it to be pretty

00:30:30 ◼   ► awesome like game-changer and as far as

00:30:34 ◼   ► I can tell this is not a game changer

00:30:36 ◼   ► this is just more faffing around the

00:30:39 ◼   ► edges and I think they've wasted their X

00:30:43 ◼   ► I think they've gone early on the X

00:30:45 ◼   ► whether it's out of desperation or they

00:30:48 ◼   ► were just running out of time because

00:30:50 ◼   ► they were approaching them pretend and

00:30:51 ◼   ► they thought that was when they could

00:30:52 ◼   ► you they had to use their X you know

00:30:55 ◼   ► well I would argue that they had if they

00:30:57 ◼   ► didn't want to use the 10 they could

00:30:59 ◼   ► have had several more years

00:31:00 ◼   ► of not using the ten right because yeah

00:31:02 ◼   ► because they they have their little s

00:31:04 ◼   ► their little in between years so we had

00:31:06 ◼   ► seven they could have done seven s 8 8 s

00:31:09 ◼   ► 9 9 s and then count to 10 so they could

00:31:13 ◼   ► have had what was at six years I heard

00:31:15 ◼   ► there was some technical reason they

00:31:16 ◼   ► couldn't use 9 I find that hard to

00:31:18 ◼   ► believe but okay

00:31:19 ◼   ► what do I know about this stuff but

00:31:21 ◼   ► anyway I am disappointed from what I've

00:31:24 ◼   ► seen so far

00:31:25 ◼   ► I'm not yearning to get one from a

00:31:27 ◼   ► thousand pounds

00:31:29 ◼   ► am I wrong should I want one what would

00:31:31 ◼   ► you want the X to have what would make

00:31:33 ◼   ► you feel like wow that's the kind of X

00:31:36 ◼   ► you want to see in the world emojis that

00:31:38 ◼   ► move when I fuck move my face no well

00:31:40 ◼   ► good news for you feels like it should

00:31:44 ◼   ► be like a new birth it should be the

00:31:46 ◼   ► monolith descending from the sky if I

00:31:48 ◼   ► knew the answer to that I would either

00:31:49 ◼   ► work at Apple or I would have a really

00:31:52 ◼   ► trendy cool designed monochrome blog

00:31:55 ◼   ► where I wrote about it every day I'm not

00:31:56 ◼   ► thinking of one in particular by the way

00:31:58 ◼   ► because I don't know any of them that is

00:31:59 ◼   ► what they all sort of seem like to me

00:32:00 ◼   ► all these like really minimalist design

00:32:03 ◼   ► blogs I'll tell you another thing about

00:32:06 ◼   ► podcasters that annoys me is when they

00:32:09 ◼   ► refer to the fact that they wrote about

00:32:10 ◼   ► something like that's a big deal but you

00:32:13 ◼   ► know yeah I can talk on a podcast all

00:32:14 ◼   ► day but actually I wrote an article

00:32:16 ◼   ► about that like suddenly that oh hang on

00:32:18 ◼   ► you wrote an article about that well

00:32:21 ◼   ► that's different political podcasts are

00:32:23 ◼   ► really bad for this like political

00:32:24 ◼   ► journalists who like just waffle about

00:32:26 ◼   ► politics and they'll say actually I

00:32:28 ◼   ► wrote an article about that this week

00:32:29 ◼   ► they're probably worse than the Apple

00:32:31 ◼   ► people for that like it's somehow now

00:32:33 ◼   ► it's scripture cuz it's written down and

00:32:34 ◼   ► it's more important than just waffling

00:32:36 ◼   ► don't you think it is though Brady I

00:32:38 ◼   ► mean this is one of the things I like

00:32:39 ◼   ► about podcasts is I mean you and I we've

00:32:43 ◼   ► just shown up we're having a little chat

00:32:44 ◼   ► here even though we were just talking

00:32:47 ◼   ► about the American centric mists of

00:32:48 ◼   ► American news and I feel like that's a

00:32:50 ◼   ► very different conversation than if I

00:32:52 ◼   ► sat down and I was going to write an

00:32:54 ◼   ► article defending that same topic right

00:32:56 ◼   ► if you write something I think it is a

00:32:58 ◼   ► bigger deal than - doing a podcast cuz

00:33:00 ◼   ► in the podcast you're just talking right

00:33:02 ◼   ► yeah okay I see what you're saying but I

00:33:04 ◼   ► think it puts an importance on what's

00:33:06 ◼   ► written basically just on a blog on the

00:33:08 ◼   ► Internet into some kind of important

00:33:11 ◼   ► fear they'd like that's not like it's

00:33:13 ◼   ► gone through peer review

00:33:14 ◼   ► and it's more right you're still just

00:33:17 ◼   ► some Joker who wrote an article on a

00:33:18 ◼   ► blog actually I wrote now - cool about

00:33:21 ◼   ► that so now now what I'm saying like has

00:33:24 ◼   ► more credence or something like no it

00:33:26 ◼   ► doesn't you just also wrote down what

00:33:28 ◼   ► you think I guess I know what you're

00:33:32 ◼   ► saying but I still feel like they're

00:33:33 ◼   ► very different things what is your you

00:33:35 ◼   ► don't like your one that when they're

00:33:37 ◼   ► simply referencing that's like oh I have

00:33:38 ◼   ► an important piece of work and you're

00:33:40 ◼   ► listening to a podcast and you're

00:33:41 ◼   ► thinking like hey you're a guy listen to

00:33:43 ◼   ► talk about politics all the time what's

00:33:45 ◼   ► the difference if you've written it down

00:33:46 ◼   ► versus you're talking about it it just

00:33:48 ◼   ► sort of seems irrelevant it's like okay

00:33:49 ◼   ► good for you i'm listening to the

00:33:50 ◼   ► podcast like it's okay if they say like

00:33:53 ◼   ► there's a lot of things about that that

00:33:55 ◼   ► you know I'm not gonna say now so you

00:33:57 ◼   ► should be the article but they just they

00:33:58 ◼   ► just sort of say it as an aside

00:33:59 ◼   ► oh yeah wrote an article about that and

00:34:01 ◼   ► then they go on to regurgitate sort of

00:34:02 ◼   ► the odd I don't know there's something

00:34:04 ◼   ► about it that just rubs me up the wrong

00:34:06 ◼   ► way it's like a paper cut mm-hmm

00:34:08 ◼   ► the thing that's funny to me about this

00:34:10 ◼   ► is I just always feel like we said

00:34:12 ◼   ► before everything we're talking about on

00:34:13 ◼   ► this podcast is sort of off the record

00:34:15 ◼   ► because we're just talking like on my

00:34:17 ◼   ► Wikipedia page I sometimes see quotes

00:34:19 ◼   ► from things that I've said on the

00:34:20 ◼   ► podcasts like on my own Wikipedia page

00:34:23 ◼   ► explaining a thing and I always feel

00:34:25 ◼   ► like weirdly annoyed by that like but it

00:34:27 ◼   ► was just I was just talking like but now

00:34:29 ◼   ► this quote of a thing that I just said

00:34:31 ◼   ► offhandedly is like the representative

00:34:33 ◼   ► thing on this topic whereas I would feel

00:34:36 ◼   ► very differently about that if I had

00:34:37 ◼   ► written an article and then the

00:34:38 ◼   ► Wikipedia article was like quoting the

00:34:40 ◼   ► article that I had written it just it

00:34:42 ◼   ► does feel like they're very different

00:34:43 ◼   ► things to me Brady yeah I know I know

00:34:45 ◼   ► you feel that way that's fair enough

00:34:46 ◼   ► and also like it is also just

00:34:47 ◼   ► cross-promotion and I mean we often talk

00:34:50 ◼   ► about things and I'll say I made a video

00:34:51 ◼   ► about that it's completely extraneous to

00:34:55 ◼   ► what we're talking about so I'm guilty

00:34:56 ◼   ► of it too so Mia Copa you should make a

00:35:00 ◼   ► video about it Brady I should I haven't

00:35:02 ◼   ► made a video about the new iPhone or

00:35:04 ◼   ► read an article about it or seen one you

00:35:07 ◼   ► guys you have to do an unboxing really

00:35:09 ◼   ► do you unboxing channel yet there could

00:35:11 ◼   ► be more popular than all your other

00:35:12 ◼   ► actually I make calculator unboxings

00:35:14 ◼   ► we'll put a link in the show notes I

00:35:16 ◼   ► think you should really spin that off

00:35:17 ◼   ► into something else it could be a

00:35:19 ◼   ► full-time dad wore f-- numberphile

00:35:21 ◼   ► immediately is the iphone x a big deal

00:35:24 ◼   ► this is the one time like you're really

00:35:26 ◼   ► asking the wrong person Brady because

00:35:28 ◼   ► I didn't actually watch the keynote this

00:35:31 ◼   ► year I was in an extremely low Internet

00:35:35 ◼   ► area so I haven't actually seen the

00:35:37 ◼   ► presentation or anything I just read a

00:35:39 ◼   ► couple of those articles afterwards

00:35:40 ◼   ► people wrote down their thoughts to get

00:35:42 ◼   ► a summary of what's going on I'm not

00:35:45 ◼   ► saying people shouldn't write articles

00:35:46 ◼   ► or write down their thoughts by the way

00:35:47 ◼   ► like technology articles and blogs are

00:35:50 ◼   ► not only like good I like them and I

00:35:52 ◼   ► read them

00:35:53 ◼   ► I'm not against writing you heard here

00:35:54 ◼   ► first people Brady : against writing and

00:35:57 ◼   ► there's some good ones there are a few

00:35:59 ◼   ► people who we know who I think write

00:36:00 ◼   ► really cool tech blogs it's when

00:36:03 ◼   ► someone's on a podcast saying I wrote an

00:36:06 ◼   ► article about this Azlan okay that's

00:36:09 ◼   ► good but obviously to your podcast at

00:36:11 ◼   ► the moment so let's talk let's have a

00:36:12 ◼   ► little chat I feel like I've

00:36:14 ◼   ► misrepresented myself but anyway let's

00:36:16 ◼   ► move on to the new iPhone yeah but you

00:36:17 ◼   ► know what thank god this is a podcast

00:36:19 ◼   ► and people can hear that in the

00:36:20 ◼   ► conversation as opposed to every was

00:36:22 ◼   ► just transcribed and written in an

00:36:23 ◼   ► article then it seems like it's

00:36:24 ◼   ► something set in stone are confused

00:36:26 ◼   ► thoughts about about these matters I

00:36:28 ◼   ► don't know man like I'm not the person

00:36:29 ◼   ► here who's gonna try to sell you on an

00:36:31 ◼   ► iPhone X have you ordered one they're

00:36:33 ◼   ► not able to be ordered yet but I mean

00:36:34 ◼   ► yes I will order one as soon as I can

00:36:37 ◼   ► but I think that is also for anyone who

00:36:40 ◼   ► has listened to this podcast and has

00:36:42 ◼   ► heard both of us do our various iPhone

00:36:44 ◼   ► switches over the years in the past what

00:36:47 ◼   ► is it now four years of this design I

00:36:51 ◼   ► have been unhappy with and and

00:36:54 ◼   ► frustrated with the phones at at both

00:36:55 ◼   ► sizes so I am excited far less because

00:37:00 ◼   ► of the technology that is in the phone

00:37:02 ◼   ► and far more simply because oh thank god

00:37:05 ◼   ► it's a different size after four years

00:37:07 ◼   ► and maybe I'll like this size better

00:37:10 ◼   ► than the phones that I've been living

00:37:12 ◼   ► with in the past what size is this one

00:37:14 ◼   ► what's it massage off it's in between

00:37:16 ◼   ► the two sizes it's like a little bit

00:37:19 ◼   ► bigger than the regular iPhone and it's

00:37:22 ◼   ► as if that iPhone was all scream except

00:37:25 ◼   ► obviously for that notch at the top so

00:37:27 ◼   ► I'm hoping the fact that the screen size

00:37:30 ◼   ► is larger if not the body size is much

00:37:33 ◼   ► larger we'll get rid of some of my

00:37:35 ◼   ► typing frustrations that I've had with

00:37:36 ◼   ► the phone that is the reason that I'm

00:37:38 ◼   ► ordering it is I feel like please let me

00:37:40 ◼   ► like this

00:37:42 ◼   ► if you're looking for someone to

00:37:44 ◼   ► evangelize how technically impressive

00:37:47 ◼   ► the iPhone X is you are with the wrong

00:37:49 ◼   ► podcasting partner for this one I'm

00:37:51 ◼   ► sorry baby I cannot tell you on this

00:37:53 ◼   ► device I'm worried about the lack of the

00:37:55 ◼   ► home button because whenever I have to

00:37:57 ◼   ► swipe things from the bottom of my

00:37:59 ◼   ► iPhone as it is now I'm so hopeless at

00:38:01 ◼   ► that I'm like oh oh it takes me about

00:38:03 ◼   ► eight goes to bring up that swipey thing

00:38:05 ◼   ► at the bottom so if the home button is

00:38:07 ◼   ► anything like that functionality it's

00:38:09 ◼   ► bad news for me remember look Brady we

00:38:12 ◼   ► all know that the future is no buttons

00:38:13 ◼   ► all right all of the buttons go away I'm

00:38:16 ◼   ► sure someday we won't have volume

00:38:18 ◼   ► buttons on the side it'll be nothing but

00:38:20 ◼   ► swipe gestures all over the place that's

00:38:22 ◼   ► what's going to happen there you're

00:38:24 ◼   ► passing on the iPhone X yeah 10 would

00:38:28 ◼   ► you like it more if it was called iPhone

00:38:29 ◼   ► Pro Brady I would suddenly be tempted if

00:38:32 ◼   ► they cracked out the prairie I think

00:38:33 ◼   ► this exact same phone if they said it's

00:38:35 ◼   ► iPhone Pro you might feel the call of

00:38:37 ◼   ► Apple tugging on your wallet yeah I'd be

00:38:40 ◼   ► thinking oh well I'm not supposed to be

00:38:42 ◼   ► a professional person maybe I well

00:38:44 ◼   ► haven't I got a pro do you not Brady

00:38:46 ◼   ► literally watch videos professionally on

00:38:48 ◼   ► your phone is that not one of the

00:38:50 ◼   ► primary use cases I probably will have

00:38:52 ◼   ► to get the prayer mmm

00:38:54 ◼   ► yeah when they do that that's when

00:38:56 ◼   ► Apple's gonna get your money yeah did

00:38:59 ◼   ► you hear that Apple that's how you get a

00:39:00 ◼   ► Brady on the hook there's a few bucks to

00:39:02 ◼   ► be made over here in the UK one customer

00:39:06 ◼   ► waiting for the pro well we'll say I'll

00:39:08 ◼   ► have a look at yours when you get it and

00:39:10 ◼   ► decide from there I'll talk to you on

00:39:11 ◼   ► the podcast about it but I won't

00:39:12 ◼   ► actually believe what you say until

00:39:14 ◼   ► you've written article on your blog no

00:39:17 ◼   ► Brady the one topic that relates to

00:39:20 ◼   ► YouTube that never stops is copyright

00:39:26 ◼   ► copyright on YouTube is the topic that

00:39:29 ◼   ► never ever ends and we're talking by the

00:39:32 ◼   ► two shows ago we were talking about it

00:39:34 ◼   ► last show with regards to h3 h3 and

00:39:38 ◼   ► their copyright lawsuit that has gone on

00:39:40 ◼   ► and I thought oh we've gone through the

00:39:43 ◼   ► copyright topic we probably won't talk

00:39:44 ◼   ► about it again but just recently another

00:39:46 ◼   ► thing has occurred in YouTube land with

00:39:48 ◼   ► regards to complications over copyright

00:39:50 ◼   ► that I I thought was a tricky case

00:39:55 ◼   ► I just kind of wanted to bring up yeah

00:39:58 ◼   ► are you aware at all of what's been

00:40:00 ◼   ► going on in the world of PewDiePie and

00:40:03 ◼   ► video game copyright is this a story

00:40:05 ◼   ► that's crossed your radar what's your

00:40:07 ◼   ► guess I'm gonna guess no correct no idea

00:40:11 ◼   ► what you're talking about

00:40:12 ◼   ► yeah this is one of these funny little

00:40:15 ◼   ► moments where I feel that we do live in

00:40:18 ◼   ► these non-overlapping bubbles of what's

00:40:21 ◼   ► going on in the world do you know what

00:40:23 ◼   ► happened with bricks and negotiations in

00:40:24 ◼   ► the last couple of days I literally

00:40:26 ◼   ► didn't know exit negotiations I love it

00:40:29 ◼   ► I love it but you know all about what's

00:40:31 ◼   ► happening at a video game channel on

00:40:33 ◼   ► YouTube this is the moment where again I

00:40:35 ◼   ► can be very sympathetic to your position

00:40:37 ◼   ► because I am sitting here thinking I

00:40:40 ◼   ► kind of can't believe that as someone

00:40:42 ◼   ► who makes their living on YouTube like

00:40:44 ◼   ► you haven't come across this thing

00:40:45 ◼   ► that's going on and into some way shape

00:40:47 ◼   ► or form but obviously you haven't but

00:40:49 ◼   ► you are you would be quite right to say

00:40:51 ◼   ► you can't believe that is someone who

00:40:53 ◼   ► lives in the UK and has professionally

00:40:55 ◼   ► made videos about the politics of the UK

00:40:57 ◼   ► I have not heard anything about brexit

00:40:59 ◼   ► we're as bad as each other we are about

00:41:01 ◼   ► it is there anything I need to know

00:41:02 ◼   ► about brexit is there anything I should

00:41:03 ◼   ► worry about Brady just before Justin

00:41:06 ◼   ► yeah it's still a big bows up okay great

00:41:09 ◼   ► so I haven't met anything yet than that

00:41:10 ◼   ► all right well let me tell you about

00:41:12 ◼   ► something that really matters it's okay

00:41:14 ◼   ► tell me what's happening on YouTube and

00:41:16 ◼   ► with PewDiePie I'm gonna do a very

00:41:19 ◼   ► high-level overview of what's going on

00:41:22 ◼   ► here because in some ways I don't think

00:41:24 ◼   ► that the details really matter but I

00:41:25 ◼   ► think the broad point is more

00:41:27 ◼   ► interesting okay so PewDiePie the

00:41:30 ◼   ► largest subscribed YouTube channel at

00:41:33 ◼   ► the time of recordings got 50 million

00:41:35 ◼   ► something subscribers crazy number that

00:41:37 ◼   ► makes no sense

00:41:38 ◼   ► he's also recently gotten in to live

00:41:41 ◼   ► streaming so playing his games live on

00:41:44 ◼   ► the internet and he got himself into a

00:41:46 ◼   ► whole world of trouble by saying a very

00:41:49 ◼   ► bad word that he shouldn't have said

00:41:51 ◼   ► what was the word it was the N word

00:41:54 ◼   ► Brady oh okay right yeah that doesn't go

00:41:57 ◼   ► down well

00:41:57 ◼   ► no it doesn't go down well he said

00:41:59 ◼   ► nobody read but not the word nobody it

00:42:01 ◼   ► was even naughtier met he said it

00:42:03 ◼   ► naughty word but it wasn't that N word

00:42:05 ◼   ► that's not the word that misaeng yeah so

00:42:07 ◼   ► he got himself into a whole load

00:42:08 ◼   ► yeah so now PewDiePie has made videos of

00:42:13 ◼   ► a video game called

00:42:16 ◼   ► fire watch right in his past he's

00:42:18 ◼   ► recorded them they're up on his YouTube

00:42:20 ◼   ► channel he didn't say any naughty words

00:42:22 ◼   ► in those it was just very typical he's

00:42:24 ◼   ► recording himself playing a video game

00:42:26 ◼   ► and putting it up for his fans

00:42:28 ◼   ► yeah so then what happened was the

00:42:31 ◼   ► company that makes that video game

00:42:35 ◼   ► because of the thing that he said on his

00:42:38 ◼   ► livestream yeah decided to file DMCA

00:42:42 ◼   ► takedowns against all of his videos

00:42:45 ◼   ► featuring their content rah and he got a

00:42:49 ◼   ► copyright strike against his channel now

00:42:53 ◼   ► in the YouTube world getting a copyright

00:42:57 ◼   ► strike getting an official real strike

00:42:58 ◼   ► against your channel is a pretty big

00:43:00 ◼   ► deal because if you get three strikes

00:43:03 ◼   ► your channel is just totally removed

00:43:06 ◼   ► from YouTube all of your videos are

00:43:08 ◼   ► deleted the channels just gone I think

00:43:11 ◼   ► they elapse after a certain amount of

00:43:13 ◼   ► time I'm not 100% sure about that but

00:43:15 ◼   ► getting three copyright strikes is a

00:43:19 ◼   ► super big deal yeah I feel like this is

00:43:23 ◼   ► right in the heart of this complicated

00:43:27 ◼   ► topic about copyrights and also like

00:43:30 ◼   ► YouTube getting into the like the

00:43:33 ◼   ► business of controlling content on their

00:43:36 ◼   ► channel and it's like while PewDiePie is

00:43:40 ◼   ► very difficult to defend in this

00:43:42 ◼   ► situation I think there's something

00:43:44 ◼   ► really really dangerous and really

00:43:48 ◼   ► chilling about a company being able to

00:43:52 ◼   ► like selectively enforce the copyright

00:43:57 ◼   ► on their content based on whether or not

00:44:00 ◼   ► they like the creator or not

00:44:02 ◼   ► when PewDiePie first uploaded these

00:44:04 ◼   ► Firewatch videos the ones that are not

00:44:07 ◼   ► naughty did he have their permission or

00:44:11 ◼   ► had they just turned a blind eye to the

00:44:13 ◼   ► copyright because it was great publicity

00:44:15 ◼   ► from a really famous youtuber like did

00:44:18 ◼   ► he have permission and they're removing

00:44:20 ◼   ► it

00:44:21 ◼   ► retrospectively like what was the status

00:44:23 ◼   ► at the time before this n-word thing

00:44:26 ◼   ► happened the short answer is the company

00:44:28 ◼   ► that makes fire watch on their official

00:44:32 ◼   ► web page have an FAQ where they say you

00:44:36 ◼   ► can make videos about our game you can

00:44:39 ◼   ► stream this game and you are allowed to

00:44:41 ◼   ► monetize this game like go ahead go nuts

00:44:44 ◼   ► okay so the the developers of the game

00:44:47 ◼   ► did give sort of a blanket permission to

00:44:51 ◼   ► the world of go ahead you can record

00:44:54 ◼   ► this this video game and you can stream

00:44:57 ◼   ► it and that was just sort of given out

00:45:00 ◼   ► to everybody and that's part of what I

00:45:02 ◼   ► think is this kind of dangerous thing

00:45:05 ◼   ► that I really don't like YouTube going

00:45:08 ◼   ► along with this of him allowing the

00:45:11 ◼   ► company to retroactively Lee remove

00:45:14 ◼   ► someone's content simply because they

00:45:17 ◼   ► don't like that creator anymore there's

00:45:19 ◼   ► something about that that feels really

00:45:21 ◼   ► dangerous as a precedent that sets on

00:45:24 ◼   ► YouTube and it makes me as a sometimes

00:45:27 ◼   ► very rare game streamer a bit

00:45:29 ◼   ► uncomfortable with how that has worked

00:45:31 ◼   ► out I mean there's a certain

00:45:32 ◼   ► arbitrariness to how you can enforce

00:45:36 ◼   ► your own copyright like if the Daily

00:45:38 ◼   ► Mail pinch one of my videos I may go to

00:45:40 ◼   ► town and try to get money out of them

00:45:42 ◼   ► and kick up a fuss mm-hmm but if another

00:45:43 ◼   ► organization free boots me I might have

00:45:46 ◼   ► been a good mood one day and do nothing

00:45:48 ◼   ► I can see how you can be arbitrary on

00:45:50 ◼   ► who you prosecute for lack of a better

00:45:53 ◼   ► word for taking your material and

00:45:55 ◼   ► Firewatch could potentially be within

00:45:58 ◼   ► their rights if they hadn't said in the

00:46:01 ◼   ► past this is okay so I don't think you

00:46:05 ◼   ► can move the goalposts after you've done

00:46:06 ◼   ► that like if PewDiePie was taking a risk

00:46:09 ◼   ► and Firewatch had always said this is

00:46:12 ◼   ► our game you shouldn't be streaming it

00:46:13 ◼   ► and it turned a blind eye to PewDiePie

00:46:15 ◼   ► for years and then one day he turned

00:46:18 ◼   ► into a bad character and they said all

00:46:20 ◼   ► right now we're gonna enforce like that

00:46:23 ◼   ► would be a bit douchey but like it would

00:46:25 ◼   ► sort of seem within the rules but if

00:46:27 ◼   ► they have already said as you say on

00:46:29 ◼   ► their FAQ you can stream the game

00:46:32 ◼   ► and it was done in good faith I think

00:46:35 ◼   ► that is very unfair it seems unfair I

00:46:37 ◼   ► really don't like that YouTube has gone

00:46:38 ◼   ► along with that and has issued a

00:46:41 ◼   ► copyright strike against PewDiePie it

00:46:43 ◼   ► seems like two entities deciding that

00:46:45 ◼   ► that for content reasons not for the

00:46:48 ◼   ► like official rules reasons that they're

00:46:50 ◼   ► going to enforce the thing and that

00:46:52 ◼   ► always just kind of makes me a little

00:46:53 ◼   ► bit uncomfortable but it's an

00:46:55 ◼   ► interesting situation because Let's

00:46:58 ◼   ► Plays and people who record themselves

00:47:00 ◼   ► playing video games on the Internet

00:47:02 ◼   ► this is like the greatest of grey areas

00:47:06 ◼   ► when it comes to a question of what is

00:47:08 ◼   ► fair use and when we were talking about

00:47:11 ◼   ► with the h3h3 lawsuit and I kept saying

00:47:13 ◼   ► oh I think this is the bare minimum of

00:47:15 ◼   ► what I might consider fair use under the

00:47:17 ◼   ► rules as they were written the live

00:47:20 ◼   ► streaming stuff and the video game

00:47:21 ◼   ► streaming stuff is like oh my god we're

00:47:23 ◼   ► in this fog and there's no ability to

00:47:25 ◼   ► see in any direction where we're

00:47:27 ◼   ► actually standing and there is like this

00:47:30 ◼   ► I almost want to call it like a like a

00:47:33 ◼   ► date hunt between most video game

00:47:36 ◼   ► companies and video game streamers where

00:47:38 ◼   ► nobody seems to want to bring up any

00:47:41 ◼   ► kind of court case that would actually

00:47:43 ◼   ► resolve this like it's it is astounding

00:47:45 ◼   ► to me that this far into YouTube and

00:47:48 ◼   ► this far into game streaming as a hugely

00:47:52 ◼   ► popular thing there have been no court

00:47:54 ◼   ► cases that have set any meaningful

00:47:56 ◼   ► precedents on the concept of is

00:47:59 ◼   ► recording yourself playing a video game

00:48:01 ◼   ► fair use or not no companies want to

00:48:05 ◼   ► make this move and many many companies

00:48:08 ◼   ► take the the policy sort of like what

00:48:10 ◼   ► you were saying before of simply not

00:48:13 ◼   ► saying anything publicly about it it's

00:48:17 ◼   ► very interesting I kind of wonder if

00:48:20 ◼   ► this thing between PewDiePie and the

00:48:23 ◼   ► company that makes Firewatch might

00:48:25 ◼   ► actually end up becoming one of the

00:48:27 ◼   ► first precedent-setting court cases

00:48:30 ◼   ► depending on how far Firewatch wants to

00:48:31 ◼   ► take it but the very concept of should

00:48:35 ◼   ► someone recording themselves playing a

00:48:36 ◼   ► video game count as fair use is a thing

00:48:39 ◼   ► that I feel like I have no ability to

00:48:42 ◼   ► come to a decision on that even as

00:48:44 ◼   ► someone who has streamed him

00:48:46 ◼   ► of playing video games I will happily

00:48:48 ◼   ► acknowledge that that feels like it's in

00:48:49 ◼   ► a really big gray area about how much of

00:48:53 ◼   ► this content is like transformative

00:48:54 ◼   ► versus how much of it is just showing

00:48:58 ◼   ► what the game developers themselves have

00:48:59 ◼   ► created so gray as you know I haven't

00:49:02 ◼   ► been following this debate but I do know

00:49:04 ◼   ► that PewDiePie is not famous for being

00:49:06 ◼   ► silent on such matters

00:49:07 ◼   ► has he been kicking up a ruckus and

00:49:10 ◼   ► saying this is an outrage and going to

00:49:12 ◼   ► the mattresses he's made a few videos

00:49:13 ◼   ► about it but of course that's his stock

00:49:15 ◼   ► in trade

00:49:16 ◼   ► he's a controversial character and then

00:49:18 ◼   ► he gets to make videos about his own

00:49:20 ◼   ► controversies which become popular as

00:49:21 ◼   ► well said the guys that are still doing

00:49:23 ◼   ► feedback an error to the episode look

00:49:25 ◼   ► you know everything feeds on itself in

00:49:28 ◼   ► some way or another brady but yeah of

00:49:32 ◼   ► course he's taken the position as well

00:49:34 ◼   ► that it's that the copyright strike is

00:49:37 ◼   ► ridiculous and that he had permission

00:49:38 ◼   ► from from Firewatch but that's exactly

00:49:41 ◼   ► the position that you would expect him

00:49:42 ◼   ► to take I mean my initial thought like a

00:49:44 ◼   ► minute ago I was thinking maybe this is

00:49:46 ◼   ► just like for show you know like a PR

00:49:49 ◼   ► thing and it's just like you know that

00:49:50 ◼   ► when you get officially sanctioned and

00:49:52 ◼   ► no one's really angry anyone but you

00:49:54 ◼   ► said the videos have been taken down too

00:49:56 ◼   ► so his Firewatch videos were taken down

00:49:59 ◼   ► he got the DMCA copyright strike and the

00:50:01 ◼   ► thing that I find a little bit a little

00:50:03 ◼   ► bit in this like threatening kind of way

00:50:04 ◼   ► is that the developer of fire watch was

00:50:07 ◼   ► on Twitter and was calling for other

00:50:09 ◼   ► developers to issue copyright strikes

00:50:12 ◼   ► retro actively against PewDiePie and

00:50:14 ◼   ► it's like man you only need two other

00:50:18 ◼   ► people to do that and if he gets three

00:50:21 ◼   ► copyright strikes at once like his whole

00:50:22 ◼   ► channel goes yeah they're not gonna do

00:50:24 ◼   ► that to him you cheap won't let that

00:50:25 ◼   ► happen to their biggest channel well

00:50:27 ◼   ► this is a topic for another time but

00:50:29 ◼   ► let's just say I would personally

00:50:30 ◼   ► suspect that YouTube might not shed a

00:50:33 ◼   ► tear if PewDiePie of all people were no

00:50:36 ◼   ► longer the number one youtuber on their

00:50:38 ◼   ► platform I don't think YouTube would be

00:50:40 ◼   ► crying themselves to sleep at night

00:50:41 ◼   ► thinking oh cutie pie he was the one

00:50:44 ◼   ► that we wanted to hold up our brand to

00:50:45 ◼   ► the world fair enough and I think

00:50:47 ◼   ► YouTube would be way more happy if

00:50:49 ◼   ► someone like Casey Neistat became the

00:50:51 ◼   ► number one person and then was the

00:50:53 ◼   ► representative of YouTube to the world

00:50:54 ◼   ► well objectivity or objectivity of

00:50:58 ◼   ► course there's the finalist list

00:51:00 ◼   ► those things it's which one do they

00:51:01 ◼   ► think they should have represent YouTube

00:51:04 ◼   ► itself cave

00:51:05 ◼   ► Kate's famous cave yeah so great what

00:51:12 ◼   ► are you gonna do what does this mean for

00:51:13 ◼   ► CGP player whatever you've killed your

00:51:16 ◼   ► mom Chell my incredible gaming Chapel

00:51:18 ◼   ► what happens now is this gonna scare you

00:51:20 ◼   ► off you're gonna like a little

00:51:22 ◼   ► frightened rabbit are you gonna run back

00:51:24 ◼   ► into your hole and not make any more of

00:51:26 ◼   ► those truck things driving channels

00:51:29 ◼   ► things well luckily my CTV plays live

00:51:33 ◼   ► streaming channel is a trivial portion

00:51:35 ◼   ► of the massive empire that is gray

00:51:38 ◼   ► industries yeah so from a like a

00:51:39 ◼   ► personal perspective I don't have to

00:51:40 ◼   ► worry about that because it's a it's a

00:51:43 ◼   ► separate thing it's not connected to my

00:51:45 ◼   ► main industry right you've got it you've

00:51:47 ◼   ► got it registered like on the Isle of

00:51:49 ◼   ► Wight or something I guess I think

00:51:50 ◼   ► that's exactly right oh the bank

00:51:52 ◼   ► accounts are offshore yeah yeah it's in

00:51:54 ◼   ► a trust the Isle of Wight that's

00:51:56 ◼   ► actually owning a company in the Bahamas

00:51:58 ◼   ► right yeah we have three trustees yeah

00:52:01 ◼   ► it's a very secure situation so the

00:52:03 ◼   ► people who make Euro Truck Simulator

00:52:05 ◼   ► aren't gonna be able to get their hands

00:52:07 ◼   ► on the main channel Dulles no that's

00:52:09 ◼   ► they're all quarantined yes it's very

00:52:10 ◼   ► good but it really is like when I

00:52:13 ◼   ► started doing that just for fun the

00:52:15 ◼   ► whole copyright issue around this I

00:52:16 ◼   ► really do find sort of fascinating

00:52:20 ◼   ► because a lot of the argument for why

00:52:23 ◼   ► let's play video should should be fair

00:52:25 ◼   ► use is that the streamers will argue

00:52:27 ◼   ► it's a kind of performance it's like

00:52:29 ◼   ► well yes yeah the thing that you're

00:52:31 ◼   ► looking at on the screen is content

00:52:33 ◼   ► that's created by somebody else but

00:52:34 ◼   ► there is a performance that is occurring

00:52:36 ◼   ► on top of it look if I went out and

00:52:38 ◼   ► bought at a desk juggling balls and made

00:52:40 ◼   ► a video of me juggling added s couldn't

00:52:42 ◼   ► say hey those are our juggling balls

00:52:44 ◼   ► right you know I was just using their

00:52:46 ◼   ► thing from our performance right he's

00:52:48 ◼   ► like oh they have a copyrighted sequence

00:52:50 ◼   ► of colours on them or the pattern right

00:52:51 ◼   ► so it's like the Eiffel Tower at night

00:52:53 ◼   ► you know he can't you can't photograph

00:52:54 ◼   ► it yeah this is the argument that the

00:52:56 ◼   ► performance makes it transformative but

00:52:59 ◼   ► then of course like with all of these

00:53:00 ◼   ► things there is this slider that goes

00:53:02 ◼   ► from red letter media being totally

00:53:05 ◼   ► transformative down to the h3 h3 video

00:53:07 ◼   ► which is like minimally transformative

00:53:09 ◼   ► and you have stuff that's in between

00:53:10 ◼   ► there and Euro Truck Simulator or like

00:53:13 ◼   ► driving American Truck Simulator when

00:53:15 ◼   ► I'm doing that there are reasonably

00:53:17 ◼   ► large portions where I'm simply not

00:53:18 ◼   ► saying anything then all of a sudden we

00:53:20 ◼   ► get to this very strange situation where

00:53:22 ◼   ► it's like okay what is occurring on the

00:53:23 ◼   ► screen here it's like well a man is

00:53:26 ◼   ► driving a pretend truck on a pretend

00:53:27 ◼   ► Road and he's saying nothing is this

00:53:30 ◼   ► transformative I would say it's not

00:53:32 ◼   ► transformative at all but it's also just

00:53:34 ◼   ► a virtual representation of a real Road

00:53:37 ◼   ► like does anybody own the copyright to

00:53:39 ◼   ► this road that we're driving along all

00:53:41 ◼   ► not not really it's so hard to

00:53:43 ◼   ► understand is this fair use and I think

00:53:45 ◼   ► is another another example of the

00:53:48 ◼   ► internet really changing and distorting

00:53:51 ◼   ► what these laws were originally written

00:53:52 ◼   ► for and you end up in all sorts of

00:53:53 ◼   ► situations where it's hard to understand

00:53:55 ◼   ► how this stuff should apply and and I

00:53:58 ◼   ► can't come down with any clear decision

00:54:01 ◼   ► in my mind about should stuff like Let's

00:54:04 ◼   ► Plays be considered fair use or not I

00:54:07 ◼   ► think a lot of the companies that are

00:54:10 ◼   ► making games don't want to push that

00:54:12 ◼   ► issue either I think they're very happy

00:54:14 ◼   ► with this date hunt of not saying

00:54:18 ◼   ► anything but I think that this Firewatch

00:54:20 ◼   ► thing is the first little breakdown in

00:54:23 ◼   ► maybe this day tante can't last forever

00:54:25 ◼   ► and at at some point someone is going to

00:54:29 ◼   ► have to force the issue and the courts

00:54:31 ◼   ► will have to decide whether gameplay is

00:54:33 ◼   ► fair use or not can I just ask a quick

00:54:35 ◼   ► thing about the truck simulator game

00:54:37 ◼   ► yeah I haven't watched a lot of your

00:54:38 ◼   ► playing videos but I've occasionally

00:54:40 ◼   ► dipped in once or twice when I've seen

00:54:41 ◼   ► people saying you know your pause

00:54:43 ◼   ► playing now on Twitter mhm

00:54:44 ◼   ► every time I look at you playing that

00:54:46 ◼   ► game you seem to be crashing the truck

00:54:49 ◼   ► into stuff yeah but are you good at it

00:54:51 ◼   ► am I just happening to watch at times

00:54:53 ◼   ► when you're making mistakes or because

00:54:54 ◼   ► every time I've watched you play it

00:54:55 ◼   ► you're dreadful at it now I want to get

00:54:57 ◼   ► this on the record I'm very good at that

00:54:59 ◼   ► game know that the problem is that

00:55:01 ◼   ► you're drunk no Brady although I will

00:55:04 ◼   ► say if you ever want to see an actual

00:55:07 ◼   ► demonstration of how much alcohol

00:55:08 ◼   ► effects you play a truck simulator game

00:55:10 ◼   ► because sometimes I play the game on the

00:55:12 ◼   ► couch like when my wife and I are just

00:55:14 ◼   ► sort of watching TV and I like to have

00:55:16 ◼   ► it as a mindless thing to do with my

00:55:17 ◼   ► hands and it is very noticeable like

00:55:20 ◼   ► hilariously noticeable that what I would

00:55:23 ◼   ► consider to be a minimal amount of

00:55:25 ◼   ► alcohol like oh I have had a glass

00:55:27 ◼   ► of wine surely I don't feel like I'm

00:55:29 ◼   ► affected this doesn't affect me at all

00:55:30 ◼   ► is like truck simulator says different

00:55:32 ◼   ► like it's it is fascinating to say as I

00:55:34 ◼   ► Wow

00:55:35 ◼   ► I would not have guessed that my

00:55:36 ◼   ► reflexes were different but they sure

00:55:38 ◼   ► are different but now when I'm

00:55:40 ◼   ► live-streaming it's it's a different

00:55:41 ◼   ► thing simply because there's a whole

00:55:42 ◼   ► bunch of stuff going on and they're

00:55:44 ◼   ► people chatting like they're people who

00:55:45 ◼   ► are interacting with me and so when I

00:55:47 ◼   ► crash it's because people have

00:55:49 ◼   ► distracted me in the chat you're like

00:55:50 ◼   ► texting and driving that is exactly

00:55:52 ◼   ► what's happening when you see me

00:55:54 ◼   ► crashing on the Euro Truck Simulator I'm

00:55:55 ◼   ► not drinking it is an advertisement for

00:55:58 ◼   ► how bad texting and driving is because

00:56:00 ◼   ► that's essentially what's occurring

00:56:01 ◼   ► there don't text and drive kids you'll

00:56:04 ◼   ► crash seriously don't this it's such a

00:56:06 ◼   ► bad thing yeah it's it's horrific

00:56:08 ◼   ► I'm serious grey it's bad man I'm deadly

00:56:11 ◼   ► serious as well yeah I've seen a bunch

00:56:12 ◼   ► of studies saying that it is as bad or

00:56:14 ◼   ► worse than drinking a frequent topic on

00:56:17 ◼   ► the podcast uber I think that that is

00:56:18 ◼   ► one thing I will I will give drivers

00:56:20 ◼   ► really harsh ratings for us if they're

00:56:21 ◼   ► texting while driving yeah and I did it

00:56:24 ◼   ► recently I gave a dude one-star and

00:56:25 ◼   ► contacted uber about that this dude was

00:56:27 ◼   ► driving dangerously because he was he

00:56:29 ◼   ► was texting through an intersection I

00:56:31 ◼   ► was like okay forget it

00:56:33 ◼   ► I wouldn't put up with it if you were

00:56:34 ◼   ► drinking through this intersection so

00:56:35 ◼   ► I'm certainly gonna write it up if you

00:56:37 ◼   ► were texting through an intersection I'm

00:56:39 ◼   ► off a bit now gray oh really

00:56:41 ◼   ► what are you doing there's not lift in

00:56:43 ◼   ► the UK he's there now I'm walking uh

00:56:45 ◼   ► what are you doing I don't know yeah I

00:56:47 ◼   ► just got him black cabs the other day I

00:56:48 ◼   ► was going to install lifts I didn't know

00:56:50 ◼   ► I couldn't do it in the UK but I hadn't

00:56:51 ◼   ► actually got around to replacing ever

00:56:53 ◼   ► okay so you're back on uber that's what

00:56:55 ◼   ► you're saying well no I'm not back on it

00:56:58 ◼   ► yeah and I'm not gonna use it in America

00:56:59 ◼   ► why are you off it they didn't show me

00:57:01 ◼   ► the respect I deserve

00:57:02 ◼   ► no do I even want to know Brady what

00:57:05 ◼   ► happened oh it's a boring corporate

00:57:06 ◼   ► compensation corner okay alright yeah

00:57:08 ◼   ► we'll leave it believe it at that with

00:57:10 ◼   ► there is let's leave it for another day

00:57:11 ◼   ► leave it for another day I'll let you

00:57:13 ◼   ► know once it's resolved if it's

00:57:15 ◼   ► interesting I'll let you know okay for

00:57:16 ◼   ► now uber or on my blacklist

00:57:19 ◼   ► okay the breeding blacklist hmm beware

00:57:22 ◼   ► beware companies yeah I wanna be on that

00:57:25 ◼   ► hi everyone welcome to my bathroom I'm

00:57:28 ◼   ► just gonna be running you through a

00:57:31 ◼   ► Harry shave while I talk about them it's

00:57:34 ◼   ► some water going here

00:57:39 ◼   ► I've got my Harry's or weaponry ready

00:57:42 ◼   ► here I'm holding in my hand the handle

00:57:45 ◼   ► I've gone for this weighty silver one

00:57:48 ◼   ► you can't see it but you can hear it

00:57:49 ◼   ► tapping against the sink here very nice

00:57:53 ◼   ► looking and look is very expensive

00:57:55 ◼   ► although it's not and now just let me

00:57:56 ◼   ► put my blade onto the handle always very

00:58:00 ◼   ► satisfying as a new one clicks into

00:58:02 ◼   ► place

00:58:03 ◼   ► lovely Harry's is a company that's so

00:58:06 ◼   ► confident that you're gonna love their

00:58:07 ◼   ► shaving products that they'll send you a

00:58:09 ◼   ► free trial shave set when you go to

00:58:12 ◼   ► harrys.com slash H eye all you have to

00:58:16 ◼   ► pay for is shipping now they're all

00:58:18 ◼   ► about a great shave but they're also

00:58:19 ◼   ► about a fair price and that's why over

00:58:21 ◼   ► three million guys have started using

00:58:23 ◼   ► them the blades are made in Germany so

00:58:26 ◼   ► you know they're going to be made to the

00:58:28 ◼   ► highest quality they're going to be

00:58:29 ◼   ► super precise and they're also going to

00:58:32 ◼   ► be pretty good at taking penalty kicks

00:58:33 ◼   ► in soccer tournaments if my experience

00:58:35 ◼   ► of Germans has anything to go by let's

00:58:39 ◼   ► get things moving here be a cream not

00:58:44 ◼   ► much of an audio experience this is a

00:58:47 ◼   ► rubbing on my face getting things ready

00:58:51 ◼   ► to row here now Harry's products are all

00:58:53 ◼   ► backed by a 100% quality guarantee you

00:58:57 ◼   ► can buy replacement blades over the web

00:58:59 ◼   ► and they are it'll way better price than

00:59:03 ◼   ► comparable rivals and I better

00:59:04 ◼   ► concentrate here let me move the

00:59:06 ◼   ► microphone so you can get some shaving

00:59:08 ◼   ► noise listen to this quality Harry's

00:59:11 ◼   ► shave that's done the job nicely so

00:59:16 ◼   ► let's be clear on the offer here Harry's

00:59:18 ◼   ► comm /h I short for hello internet for a

00:59:23 ◼   ► free trial offer that's $13 a value for

00:59:26 ◼   ► free

00:59:27 ◼   ► when you sign up you just got to cover

00:59:29 ◼   ► the shipping and that sets going to

00:59:31 ◼   ► include a weighted economic razor handle

00:59:34 ◼   ► I'm holding such a handle in my

00:59:38 ◼   ► and at the moment just connect I'm not

00:59:45 ◼   ► lying

00:59:45 ◼   ► it's a good shape I'm literally shaving

00:59:47 ◼   ► right now in the set you're also gonna

00:59:50 ◼   ► have five precision-engineered blades

00:59:52 ◼   ► with lubricating strips trimmer blade

00:59:55 ◼   ► you get a rich lathering gel I actually

00:59:57 ◼   ► use the shave cream I like the hair

00:59:57 ◼   ► use the shave cream I like the hair

01:00:00 ◼   ► shave cream but the gel apparently is

01:00:02 ◼   ► really good too that comes in the kit

01:00:03 ◼   ► and you get a travel blade cover that's

01:00:06 ◼   ► harrys.com /h I go and have a look at

01:00:09 ◼   ► their website because they've got some

01:00:10 ◼   ► other nicer products as well including

01:00:12 ◼   ► sort of lotions and potions for your

01:00:14 ◼   ► face and I know a lot of people like

01:00:17 ◼   ► years ago were always complaining that

01:00:19 ◼   ► could only really get their hairy stuff

01:00:20 ◼   ► in North America but I know for a fact

01:00:23 ◼   ► they're shipping in the UK now so go and

01:00:25 ◼   ► have a look at their website and see

01:00:27 ◼   ► what's available there great for you

01:00:28 ◼   ► they also make really great gifts I'm

01:00:31 ◼   ► gonna finish the show even let you get

01:00:33 ◼   ► back on with hello Internet his Trip

01:00:36 ◼   ► Advisor on their blacklist no

01:00:38 ◼   ► TripAdvisor is not on my blacklist bit

01:00:40 ◼   ► as you have seen in the notes that is

01:00:42 ◼   ► what I would like to ask you about next

01:00:43 ◼   ► I was trying to do a segue their

01:00:47 ◼   ► breeding they took a leaf out of my book

01:00:48 ◼   ► back I'm proud of you learning from your

01:00:51 ◼   ► vice host don't say that baby it's awful

01:00:56 ◼   ► it's already a thing that genies out of

01:00:58 ◼   ► the bottle you degrade yourself when you

01:01:00 ◼   ► say vice host don't do it I already get

01:01:01 ◼   ► emails from people calling me vice ace

01:01:03 ◼   ► now all right what do you want to know

01:01:07 ◼   ► about Trip Advisor buddy so you use Trip

01:01:09 ◼   ► Advisor presumably like you know when

01:01:11 ◼   ► you're going places and and so do i it's

01:01:14 ◼   ► a useful resource my question is a

01:01:17 ◼   ► simple one

01:01:18 ◼   ► do you ever contribute to Trip Advisor

01:01:21 ◼   ► or are you like me a parasite I am NOT

01:01:27 ◼   ► like you a parasite yeah but it's just

01:01:31 ◼   ► by a technicality let me tell you a

01:01:33 ◼   ► little story reading please two summers

01:01:36 ◼   ► ago my wife and I were driving across

01:01:39 ◼   ► America we're going to a family reunion

01:01:41 ◼   ► and we wanted to get some breakfasts and

01:01:45 ◼   ► at that point in my life breakfast was a

01:01:47 ◼   ► very important meal to me at that point

01:01:49 ◼   ► you're like yeah I don't do breakfast

01:01:50 ◼   ► anymore it turns out breakfast is

01:01:52 ◼   ► bullshit you don't need it that's a lie

01:01:54 ◼   ► but two years ago gray was real grumpy

01:01:57 ◼   ► if he didn't get his breakfast okay so

01:02:01 ◼   ► my wife and I we look up on TripAdvisor

01:02:02 ◼   ► we're trying to find a place and we

01:02:05 ◼   ► eventually pick a place that looks like

01:02:07 ◼   ► it's nearby

01:02:08 ◼   ► and has a reasonable TripAdvisor

01:02:11 ◼   ► so we go into the restaurant hmm and you

01:02:16 ◼   ► know when you're with another person

01:02:19 ◼   ► sometimes it's it's a little bit hard to

01:02:21 ◼   ► judge what's going on in the other

01:02:24 ◼   ► person's mind and you know how when

01:02:26 ◼   ► you're traveling you want you have a

01:02:27 ◼   ► certain amount of like you want to go

01:02:28 ◼   ► along with things yeah but I walk

01:02:30 ◼   ► through the door of this restaurant and

01:02:31 ◼   ► I just immediately thought I don't know

01:02:34 ◼   ► about this I can't put my finger on what

01:02:36 ◼   ► it is something is amiss here and where

01:02:39 ◼   ► I on my own I would have turned around

01:02:41 ◼   ► right then but you're with someone and

01:02:43 ◼   ► there's like an inertia that you the two

01:02:46 ◼   ► of you have rolled through the door

01:02:47 ◼   ► together and so you just don't say

01:02:49 ◼   ► anything did you think it was like

01:02:51 ◼   ► unsafe or unhygenic or like what was the

01:02:55 ◼   ► feel it's hard to say what it was just a

01:02:59 ◼   ► little bit of something's not right okay

01:03:01 ◼   ► the decor in the restaurant was I would

01:03:03 ◼   ► say quirky but something just seemed off

01:03:06 ◼   ► and I couldn't place it

01:03:07 ◼   ► I hope this is gonna end up but from

01:03:09 ◼   ► dusk to dawn and it was like a vampire

01:03:11 ◼   ► hangout or something I'm afraid it was

01:03:12 ◼   ► not a vampire hangout but there was

01:03:14 ◼   ► nobody else in the restaurant which is

01:03:16 ◼   ► objective thing one yeah that's a

01:03:18 ◼   ► problem it's not that's not a good sign

01:03:20 ◼   ► hmm there's a little bit of confusion

01:03:21 ◼   ► the waitress eventually shows up with

01:03:24 ◼   ► what I presume is like the owner who's

01:03:26 ◼   ► sort of standing nearby by the counter

01:03:29 ◼   ► like I can't quite figure out what the

01:03:30 ◼   ► situation is we're looking at the menu

01:03:32 ◼   ► we order what we're gonna order and they

01:03:36 ◼   ► go they disappear off back into the

01:03:38 ◼   ► kitchen the two of them hmm and I'm

01:03:40 ◼   ► realizing it's super warm in this

01:03:43 ◼   ► restaurant like uncomfortably warm as

01:03:45 ◼   ► we're sitting there and then suddenly a

01:03:49 ◼   ► fly lands on my wife and then I noticed

01:03:53 ◼   ► there's some flies on the window and all

01:03:55 ◼   ► of a sudden your senses just tune into

01:03:57 ◼   ► it immediately like there's flies

01:03:59 ◼   ► everywhere there's a fly in her hair

01:04:02 ◼   ► there's flies in my hair I was like this

01:04:05 ◼   ► is disgusting

01:04:06 ◼   ► what's going on in this restaurant and

01:04:08 ◼   ► then as I'm like looking at my wife

01:04:11 ◼   ► she's looking at me and she's

01:04:13 ◼   ► recognizing all the Flies all of a

01:04:15 ◼   ► sudden and we're getting to that moment

01:04:16 ◼   ► of like uh-oh what have we done yeah and

01:04:19 ◼   ► then we hear from the kitchen the two

01:04:21 ◼   ► people are arguing

01:04:24 ◼   ► they're arguing about how the things

01:04:26 ◼   ► that we just ordered were supposed to be

01:04:29 ◼   ► made there's some kind of like great

01:04:30 ◼   ► disagreement occurring in the kitchen

01:04:32 ◼   ► yeah and so my wife and I we got up I

01:04:36 ◼   ► took her hand and I said we're getting

01:04:39 ◼   ► out of here and we essentially just ran

01:04:43 ◼   ► to the car and drove away there's so

01:04:45 ◼   ► many flies this place is so disgusting

01:04:47 ◼   ► there's an argument occurring in the

01:04:48 ◼   ► kitchen we're just getting out of here

01:04:50 ◼   ► they've no explanation required we're

01:04:52 ◼   ► just leaving that was the last time we

01:04:54 ◼   ► ever went to big Joe's sloppy buns

01:04:56 ◼   ► yeah that restaurant is the only time I

01:05:01 ◼   ► have left a review on TripAdvisor I gave

01:05:04 ◼   ► them one star and I wrote a review

01:05:07 ◼   ► warning everybody else away that I go so

01:05:12 ◼   ► that is my one and only contribution to

01:05:14 ◼   ► TripAdvisor

01:05:15 ◼   ► which is now bigs desperately sort by

01:05:19 ◼   ► tims across the internet aside from that

01:05:21 ◼   ► one incident I'm essentially a parasite

01:05:24 ◼   ► I have I have not reviewed anything I

01:05:26 ◼   ► think you're pretty much parasite and

01:05:28 ◼   ► the funny thing is I can't think of a

01:05:31 ◼   ► nice holiday that I've been on where my

01:05:34 ◼   ► wife and I haven't sat over like a

01:05:35 ◼   ► lovely meal or a cocktail saying Oh what

01:05:38 ◼   ► would we write on TripAdvisor about this

01:05:40 ◼   ► place and we go through all the

01:05:41 ◼   ► different things we do and like the

01:05:43 ◼   ► lovely review we write and we always say

01:05:45 ◼   ► well we must do that when we get back

01:05:46 ◼   ► that would be really useful so many

01:05:48 ◼   ► people have helped us with the reviews

01:05:49 ◼   ► that's right a really useful review of

01:05:51 ◼   ► this place you get home never do it just

01:05:54 ◼   ► forget about it you discuss the

01:05:56 ◼   ► theoretical TripAdvisor review that you

01:05:57 ◼   ► would learn like we don't like you know

01:05:59 ◼   ► craft the wording yeah you're not

01:06:01 ◼   ► writing an article about it now are you

01:06:03 ◼   ► you're just having a conversation yes

01:06:07 ◼   ► they're two totally different things I

01:06:09 ◼   ► completely understand writing an article

01:06:11 ◼   ► about it would be would be a much more

01:06:13 ◼   ► important thing to do wouldn't it I

01:06:14 ◼   ► don't know I feel like people have been

01:06:16 ◼   ► doing us a service and we can return the

01:06:18 ◼   ► favor cuz it's not always just like

01:06:19 ◼   ► praise you know oh this would be a

01:06:21 ◼   ► useful thing to know and that we don't

01:06:23 ◼   ► do it I don't think you should feel any

01:06:25 ◼   ► kind of guilt about this that Brady

01:06:26 ◼   ► because one of the ways all of these

01:06:30 ◼   ► kinds of things were like obviously they

01:06:31 ◼   ► are a useful reference

01:06:34 ◼   ► but there is a part of it which is that

01:06:38 ◼   ► if you are writing a review for

01:06:41 ◼   ► TripAdvisor or Yelp or any of these kind

01:06:43 ◼   ► of services hmm in that moment you're

01:06:46 ◼   ► essentially doing advertising work for

01:06:50 ◼   ► the place that you were visiting well I

01:06:53 ◼   ► don't think you were advertising big joe

01:06:55 ◼   ► sloppy buns when you wrote that really

01:06:57 ◼   ► negative review or you're anti

01:06:58 ◼   ► advertising you're kicking sand in their

01:07:00 ◼   ► faiths our read reviews where I've said

01:07:02 ◼   ► things like you know try to get water

01:07:05 ◼   ► Villa number seven because it's got the

01:07:06 ◼   ► best view of the sunset and stuff like

01:07:08 ◼   ► that like you can get useful information

01:07:10 ◼   ► in these things yeah but see that's a

01:07:11 ◼   ► different thing because I feel like if I

01:07:13 ◼   ► go to a place and there's this is the

01:07:15 ◼   ► thing this is the good thing to do I

01:07:17 ◼   ► feel like that's a--that's like a trade

01:07:18 ◼   ► secret that I want to keep for myself I

01:07:19 ◼   ► don't want to let people in on what the

01:07:21 ◼   ► secret is when they when they visit the

01:07:23 ◼   ► place I'm gonna keep the information to

01:07:24 ◼   ► myself yeah I mean that's yeah but

01:07:26 ◼   ► you've benefited from it when you read

01:07:28 ◼   ► the review in the first place yeah

01:07:30 ◼   ► that's a bit selfish isn't it fine

01:07:33 ◼   ► that's okay but that's that's where the

01:07:34 ◼   ► guilt comes from I don't feel any guilt

01:07:36 ◼   ► about that kind of thing I'm not sitting

01:07:37 ◼   ► here wracked with guilt and I don't like

01:07:39 ◼   ► you know I'm not I'm not thinking like

01:07:41 ◼   ► I'm the world's worst person and it's

01:07:42 ◼   ► fine I think TripAdvisor would be more

01:07:44 ◼   ► useful if more people like me wrote

01:07:48 ◼   ► reviews mm-hmm it's like when you're

01:07:50 ◼   ► really angry at uber and by the time you

01:07:52 ◼   ► record the podcast you've like you know

01:07:54 ◼   ► you've just lost the fire in your belly

01:07:56 ◼   ► it's the same with a holiday once you're

01:07:57 ◼   ► back home you've you've lost your

01:07:59 ◼   ► creative flame for writing a bit of

01:08:02 ◼   ► purple prose about how lovely the place

01:08:04 ◼   ► works yeah I don't feel any guilt here

01:08:06 ◼   ► because there's there's like what's

01:08:08 ◼   ► occurring here is the interaction

01:08:10 ◼   ► between two corporations and a while

01:08:15 ◼   ► TripAdvisor and and services like it

01:08:16 ◼   ► they're obviously useful to everybody it

01:08:19 ◼   ► is also totally the fact that it's

01:08:20 ◼   ► because of all of the user contributions

01:08:23 ◼   ► that TripAdvisor has any value at all

01:08:26 ◼   ► and so even if you don't feel like

01:08:28 ◼   ► you're doing advertising work for the

01:08:30 ◼   ► restaurant that you have just visited

01:08:32 ◼   ► because you're you're writing about how

01:08:34 ◼   ► there's flies everywhere and they argue

01:08:35 ◼   ► in the kitchen yeah whatever you write

01:08:38 ◼   ► you are still then doing a kind of

01:08:41 ◼   ► unpaid work to build up the value of the

01:08:44 ◼   ► company of TripAdvisor yeah okay but the

01:08:47 ◼   ► thing is

01:08:47 ◼   ► you're willing to extract that free

01:08:49 ◼   ► value you're just not willing to put any

01:08:51 ◼   ► back in right it's fine it's selfish but

01:08:54 ◼   ► it's fine and it's okay and they get

01:08:56 ◼   ► their value in other ways I mean they

01:08:57 ◼   ► are running ads and you know I'm not

01:08:59 ◼   ► feeling sorry for TripAdvisor here again

01:09:01 ◼   ► this this is a kind of company that can

01:09:05 ◼   ► exist very differently in the Internet

01:09:07 ◼   ► than traditional companies could yeah

01:09:09 ◼   ► and it runs a ground of some of these

01:09:11 ◼   ► things and don't give her a I totally

01:09:14 ◼   ► get what you're saying and I will be the

01:09:16 ◼   ► first to admit that I am like a parasite

01:09:18 ◼   ► on the review systems of the world like

01:09:21 ◼   ► I just I rarely contribute and I

01:09:23 ◼   ► constantly extract value hmm but I don't

01:09:27 ◼   ► feel bad about it because I do think

01:09:29 ◼   ► these companies part of the way they're

01:09:32 ◼   ► able to do it is that like they

01:09:33 ◼   ► themselves are treading on a kind of

01:09:37 ◼   ► social expectation among the users to

01:09:40 ◼   ► contribute I just can't feel that way

01:09:43 ◼   ► about the company where it's it's like

01:09:44 ◼   ► well you you company are making this

01:09:46 ◼   ► available to me for free and I am happy

01:09:49 ◼   ► to enjoy your free resource see I think

01:09:52 ◼   ► the difference between you and I in this

01:09:53 ◼   ► conversation though is that I'm not even

01:09:55 ◼   ► thinking about TripAdvisor as a company

01:09:57 ◼   ► like to me that's an abstraction I'm

01:09:59 ◼   ► thinking about the other holiday makers

01:10:01 ◼   ► and me as a holiday maker and the

01:10:03 ◼   ► relationship between us right I feel a

01:10:06 ◼   ► bit like you know if I stumbled and fell

01:10:08 ◼   ► down a pothole in the street hmm and

01:10:10 ◼   ► then just walked away quietly and didn't

01:10:12 ◼   ► tell anyone else that was there and the

01:10:14 ◼   ► next person fell on the pothole I feel

01:10:16 ◼   ► like oh maybe I should have told some

01:10:18 ◼   ► people about it I'm not thinking of

01:10:20 ◼   ► TripAdvisor I'm not thinking of the

01:10:21 ◼   ► businesses that run holidays and the

01:10:23 ◼   ► restaurants and the hotel's I'm thinking

01:10:24 ◼   ► about my fellow your fellow Internet

01:10:27 ◼   ► citizens yeah I totally get it and

01:10:29 ◼   ► actually the pothole comparison is great

01:10:30 ◼   ► because I think it runs parallel to what

01:10:32 ◼   ► I was gonna say it would be a different

01:10:34 ◼   ► situation

01:10:34 ◼   ► so the different thing with the pothole

01:10:36 ◼   ► is we are all members of an involuntary

01:10:41 ◼   ► corporation which is the municipal

01:10:43 ◼   ► government like we're all paying taxes

01:10:45 ◼   ► into it we're all here as part of

01:10:47 ◼   ► society like this is a coordination

01:10:49 ◼   ► that's occurring between the large

01:10:50 ◼   ► number of people and so the like

01:10:52 ◼   ► reporting a pothole kind of thing like

01:10:53 ◼   ► yeah I would totally do that I know that

01:10:55 ◼   ► I have done that kind of

01:10:56 ◼   ► something like TripAdvisor it just feels

01:10:58 ◼   ► different because it's a for-profit

01:11:00 ◼   ► entity if TripAdvisor was something kind

01:11:02 ◼   ► of different if it was like a

01:11:04 ◼   ► not-for-profit open-source collaborative

01:11:07 ◼   ► thing kind of like the Wikipedia is sort

01:11:10 ◼   ► of like I would feel more guilt about it

01:11:13 ◼   ► which is why like my wife and I do

01:11:16 ◼   ► contribute to Wikipedia because it feels

01:11:18 ◼   ► like it's so much more on the on the end

01:11:20 ◼   ► of like a social good and people have

01:11:24 ◼   ► tried to get distributed review systems

01:11:27 ◼   ► off the ground or things like

01:11:29 ◼   ► distributed social networks off the

01:11:31 ◼   ► ground they've never really taken off

01:11:33 ◼   ► because I think this is a space that

01:11:35 ◼   ► just ends up being one where commercial

01:11:37 ◼   ► interests will naturally dominate but

01:11:39 ◼   ► for me that there is a part of it that I

01:11:41 ◼   ► cannot ignore that it this isn't just a

01:11:45 ◼   ► direct interaction between me and fellow

01:11:48 ◼   ► citizens that there is an entity that is

01:11:51 ◼   ► profiting from the interaction between

01:11:53 ◼   ► me and fellow citizens and if it was

01:11:55 ◼   ► more peer-to-peer in the way that I

01:11:57 ◼   ► think a government interaction would be

01:11:59 ◼   ► or the way a different sort of system

01:12:01 ◼   ► would be then I would genuinely feel

01:12:03 ◼   ► more guilt for being a like a parasite

01:12:05 ◼   ► upon the system again they you just

01:12:07 ◼   ► can't get your brain away from the

01:12:09 ◼   ► company and the money I will totally

01:12:11 ◼   ► agree like that is a thing that is

01:12:14 ◼   ► unlike the owl watches over us all right

01:12:17 ◼   ► as we're we're contributing those

01:12:18 ◼   ► reviews I don't agree with you right

01:12:20 ◼   ► like I feel like I'm the same as you I'm

01:12:22 ◼   ► a parasite but I feel like that defense

01:12:24 ◼   ► doesn't work for me and I feel like to

01:12:27 ◼   ► me that's not an acceptable position

01:12:29 ◼   ► that you're taking like I don't care if

01:12:31 ◼   ► you write reviews or not but to me that

01:12:33 ◼   ► argument doesn't hold water as you make

01:12:35 ◼   ► it there but if you then said to me I

01:12:38 ◼   ► once wrote a review on TripAdvisor for

01:12:41 ◼   ► my fellow man and it was removed by

01:12:44 ◼   ► TripAdvisor or they edited it then I

01:12:47 ◼   ► would completely agree with you and

01:12:48 ◼   ► think I'll hang on a second this is just

01:12:50 ◼   ► a company this isn't between me and the

01:12:53 ◼   ► other holidaymakers they're editing

01:12:54 ◼   ► things because their customers are

01:12:56 ◼   ► unhappy and they're and then I would

01:12:58 ◼   ► totally agree with you and actually I

01:13:00 ◼   ► think that does happen on TripAdvisor so

01:13:02 ◼   ► so I kind of probably am on your side in

01:13:04 ◼   ► a way but the single argument that the

01:13:07 ◼   ► whole system was set up by a company

01:13:09 ◼   ► that makes money like doesn't stop you

01:13:11 ◼   ► taking the value from it there is also a

01:13:13 ◼   ► similar thing which I totally changed my

01:13:15 ◼   ► mind on which is when self checkout

01:13:17 ◼   ► machines were first introduced my

01:13:19 ◼   ► initial reaction long ago was this is

01:13:22 ◼   ► ridiculous they're having me work as an

01:13:24 ◼   ► unpaid employee bagging my own groceries

01:13:26 ◼   ► here I guess is outrageous that the

01:13:28 ◼   ► grocery store

01:13:29 ◼   ► wants me to do free work for them I will

01:13:31 ◼   ► do no such that and now of course as

01:13:33 ◼   ► Luthor's no it's like I couldn't be

01:13:35 ◼   ► happier to be packing my own groceries

01:13:37 ◼   ► yeah so I'm not perfectly consistent on

01:13:40 ◼   ► this issue but yeah that was a place

01:13:42 ◼   ► where I felt the same way I was like I

01:13:43 ◼   ► can't ignore the commercial interaction

01:13:45 ◼   ► that's that's taking place here like

01:13:46 ◼   ► look at you grocery store so cynically

01:13:48 ◼   ► saving money on wages by deferring labor

01:13:50 ◼   ► to the actual customers and now I'm now

01:13:52 ◼   ► very happy to be part of that system got

01:13:56 ◼   ► time for a quick paper cut blitz we

01:13:58 ◼   ► haven't done Brady's paper cuts for so

01:13:59 ◼   ► long I feel like every time we do paper

01:14:01 ◼   ► cuts you say we haven't done paper cuts

01:14:03 ◼   ► for so long but it seems like we do

01:14:05 ◼   ► paper cuts all the time maybe one of my

01:14:07 ◼   ► paper cuts is you not letting me do

01:14:08 ◼   ► paper cuts enough have I ever stopped

01:14:10 ◼   ► you from doing paper cuts Brady no never

01:14:12 ◼   ► no you haven't I stopped you in the Edit

01:14:14 ◼   ► sometimes in the actual moment have I

01:14:17 ◼   ► ever stopped you no I never have no you

01:14:19 ◼   ► just gotta make a cup of tea and let me

01:14:21 ◼   ► waffle for a few minutes yeah I throw

01:14:22 ◼   ► down a delete marker and then I come

01:14:24 ◼   ► back yep all right I'm gonna do a

01:14:26 ◼   ► lightning round okay lightning round

01:14:28 ◼   ► lightning round so that people won't get

01:14:30 ◼   ► bored one of my paper cuts is when I get

01:14:34 ◼   ► an email from someone usually wanting

01:14:36 ◼   ► some kind of commercial or work

01:14:39 ◼   ► interaction and they will make a really

01:14:42 ◼   ► big point of saying what a huge fan they

01:14:44 ◼   ► are of my work and they have been for a

01:14:46 ◼   ► really really long time to try and like

01:14:48 ◼   ► curry my favor when they get to what

01:14:50 ◼   ► they want and then I go and look at

01:14:53 ◼   ► their Twitter and they don't follow me

01:14:55 ◼   ► and there's no indication that they have

01:14:58 ◼   ► any idea who I am whatsoever because I

01:14:59 ◼   ► would do that if someone makes a big

01:15:02 ◼   ► enough deal about how how much they

01:15:03 ◼   ► personally engaged by me and how they've

01:15:06 ◼   ► loved my videos for so long right and

01:15:08 ◼   ► I'll go and look through the four or

01:15:10 ◼   ► five hundred people they follow on

01:15:11 ◼   ► Twitter and none of my Twitter's or

01:15:14 ◼   ► channels or anything I do is there

01:15:16 ◼   ► that's like a well you're not getting a

01:15:19 ◼   ► reply now

01:15:20 ◼   ► if you ever want to trick me into

01:15:22 ◼   ► thinking you really are a fan who wants

01:15:23 ◼   ► to do business with me right at least

01:15:26 ◼   ► follow me on Twitter a few weeks before

01:15:27 ◼   ► you send the email like I'm not stupid

01:15:31 ◼   ► uh-huh I'm gonna do my homework what if

01:15:33 ◼   ► they follow hundreds of thousands of

01:15:35 ◼   ► people on Twitter does that change this

01:15:37 ◼   ► situation Wow yeah do you feel less

01:15:39 ◼   ► special then well I can't go through and

01:15:42 ◼   ► check that so I don't know but sometimes

01:15:43 ◼   ► that make a really big deal of it you

01:15:45 ◼   ► can tell they've even gone and done a

01:15:46 ◼   ► little bit of like sneaky homework like

01:15:48 ◼   ► oh I loved your recent video on Grahams

01:15:51 ◼   ► number which is obviously they've just

01:15:53 ◼   ► gone and had a quick look at the channel

01:15:55 ◼   ► and seen the first title they could you

01:15:56 ◼   ► know I'm going to investigate you'd

01:15:58 ◼   ► further than that before I do business

01:15:59 ◼   ► with you and if you're not following me

01:16:01 ◼   ► on Twitter

01:16:02 ◼   ► well you've fallen at the first hurdle

01:16:04 ◼   ► very enough if you're not a fan and you

01:16:06 ◼   ► just say I want to do a deal okay

01:16:08 ◼   ► alright we don't have to be mutual

01:16:10 ◼   ► appreciation society here but don't tell

01:16:13 ◼   ► me you are I don't lie

01:16:15 ◼   ► oh were the problems that Brady has to

01:16:18 ◼   ► deal with as someone who gets these

01:16:20 ◼   ► kinds of emails they are hilarious

01:16:23 ◼   ► sometimes another funny when you get

01:16:25 ◼   ► when you do a podcast is when people who

01:16:27 ◼   ► say they listen to the podcast obviously

01:16:29 ◼   ► don't because that they're willing to

01:16:31 ◼   ► suggest like one of their clients as a

01:16:32 ◼   ► guest for your next episode on that

01:16:38 ◼   ► queue of guests that we've had recently

01:16:40 ◼   ► I've gotten that one so many times yeah

01:16:43 ◼   ► it's great I love the show

01:16:45 ◼   ► you should have my client on as your

01:16:47 ◼   ► nest guest it's like I've got some bad

01:16:49 ◼   ► news for you because it lets your

01:16:51 ◼   ► clients Brady I don't think it's gonna

01:16:53 ◼   ► be on the show I'll tell you another pro

01:16:58 ◼   ► tip for the people who have that spammy

01:17:00 ◼   ► Sayer job and I kind of feel sorry for

01:17:02 ◼   ► them because you know it's a pretty

01:17:03 ◼   ► soul-destroying thing to have to do when

01:17:05 ◼   ► you're like copying and pasting all the

01:17:07 ◼   ► stuff you're plagiarizing from the net

01:17:09 ◼   ► to create this impression that you know

01:17:11 ◼   ► who I am go through and fix your

01:17:13 ◼   ► formatting so it's all like the same

01:17:15 ◼   ► font size and color and type like the

01:17:19 ◼   ► same like don't make it like

01:17:20 ◼   ► painstakingly obvious that you have to

01:17:22 ◼   ► copy this from that because that's bold

01:17:24 ◼   ► and that's in italics and that's four

01:17:26 ◼   ► points bigger than the word before like

01:17:28 ◼   ► like if you're gonna do this cobble and

01:17:30 ◼   ► paste right at least make it look like

01:17:32 ◼   ► you wrote one coherent

01:17:34 ◼   ► sentence I have a unique situation that

01:17:37 ◼   ► occurs that is hilarious to me every

01:17:39 ◼   ► time where I can tell that some sort of

01:17:42 ◼   ► algorithm has been involved in creating

01:17:43 ◼   ► this business the email that's coming to

01:17:45 ◼   ► me because the email will be addressed

01:17:48 ◼   ► dear CGP grey and it's CGP like the way

01:17:52 ◼   ► I write it on the YouTube channel all

01:17:53 ◼   ► together and then gray but it's capital

01:17:57 ◼   ► C lowercase G and P and then capital

01:18:02 ◼   ► gray because like nobody would write

01:18:04 ◼   ► three initials together I'll cap that's

01:18:06 ◼   ► crazy talk like the computer just thinks

01:18:08 ◼   ► like the CG P must be a name so the

01:18:10 ◼   ► first one must be capital and then the G

01:18:12 ◼   ► and P must have to be lowercase because

01:18:14 ◼   ► they're like your name is yeah I

01:18:16 ◼   ► could've put grey and it's like is

01:18:19 ◼   ► hilarious every time is like oh okay Ike

01:18:21 ◼   ► I can see your inner workings here

01:18:23 ◼   ► algorithm like this is the first line of

01:18:25 ◼   ► the 10,000 emails that you have sent off

01:18:28 ◼   ► and you are just scraping data from

01:18:30 ◼   ► YouTube or Twitter and this one the way

01:18:33 ◼   ► I happen to format my name just doesn't

01:18:35 ◼   ► fit your expectations of how the forum

01:18:37 ◼   ► email is gonna go out all right well

01:18:40 ◼   ► that was supposed to be a lightning

01:18:40 ◼   ► papercut but we seem to have gone on a

01:18:42 ◼   ► bit of a rant there do we ever do any

01:18:44 ◼   ► topic very quickly I don't think we do

01:18:46 ◼   ► no it's friendly enough there's a segue

01:18:49 ◼   ► to my next lightning papercut is to do

01:18:50 ◼   ► with things being done quickly this is

01:18:52 ◼   ► dangerous territory because people who

01:18:55 ◼   ► do this are really proud of themselves

01:18:57 ◼   ► about doing it but my next paper cut is

01:19:00 ◼   ► people listening to podcasts

01:19:02 ◼   ► particularly our podcast at a higher

01:19:05 ◼   ► speed than it was recorded at this is

01:19:07 ◼   ► not a paper cut about people who have

01:19:09 ◼   ► put the feature into their app I'm also

01:19:12 ◼   ► talking about you know the ability to

01:19:13 ◼   ► remove silences and stuff like that like

01:19:15 ◼   ► you know there's these pradhan I've got

01:19:17 ◼   ► all different names and stuff and it's

01:19:18 ◼   ► very clever and I have no problem with

01:19:20 ◼   ► people putting it in their apps because

01:19:21 ◼   ► that's what the customers want and you

01:19:23 ◼   ► have to make yes but I think it's

01:19:25 ◼   ► counterproductive to do it and the best

01:19:27 ◼   ► example was in a recent episode where

01:19:29 ◼   ► you called for a moment silence for CGP

01:19:33 ◼   ► grey the lady penguin and we were both

01:19:35 ◼   ► silent for a few seconds and anyone

01:19:37 ◼   ► listening to it with the silence remover

01:19:40 ◼   ► just then got the start of the next

01:19:41 ◼   ► sentence straight away and I also think

01:19:44 ◼   ► like speeding things up or

01:19:46 ◼   ► moving pauses like just tramples all

01:19:49 ◼   ► over things like comic timing mm-hmm and

01:19:53 ◼   ► like a motion can be lost like if I say

01:19:57 ◼   ► something to you that you can't believe

01:19:59 ◼   ► because it's just another stupid analogy

01:20:01 ◼   ► you leave and there's like a few moments

01:20:03 ◼   ► of silence from you that speaks more

01:20:05 ◼   ► than a thousand words and yet someone

01:20:07 ◼   ► listening with all that stuff snipped

01:20:09 ◼   ► out is missing out on that they're

01:20:11 ◼   ► missing our art is that what is that

01:20:15 ◼   ► with them is so do you think that the

01:20:17 ◼   ► people who listen at higher speeds or

01:20:19 ◼   ► with silences snipped out their only

01:20:20 ◼   ► cheating themselves from the poor past

01:20:22 ◼   ► class experience I think they are I

01:20:24 ◼   ► think they're missing out on the true

01:20:26 ◼   ► human experience mm-hmm but I also know

01:20:28 ◼   ► the people who use these features love

01:20:31 ◼   ► the fact they use these features so I'm

01:20:34 ◼   ► not I know I'm not going to convert them

01:20:35 ◼   ► but it's just a mud it's an annoyance of

01:20:38 ◼   ► mine you know I do this right Brady yeah

01:20:40 ◼   ► no no yeah I listen to this very podcast

01:20:43 ◼   ► 2x although I think that's not that's

01:20:46 ◼   ► not quite a fair comparison but yeah I

01:20:48 ◼   ► have occasionally by accident sent you

01:20:50 ◼   ► the 2x version you had I know you always

01:20:52 ◼   ► enjoy when I make that mistake but

01:20:54 ◼   ► that's okay you know you do what you

01:20:56 ◼   ► want but I think you're missing out and

01:20:58 ◼   ► I have seen some people who say I listen

01:21:01 ◼   ► to podcast X at high speed but not

01:21:03 ◼   ► podcast why those people okay I think

01:21:07 ◼   ► maybe you are using these features the

01:21:09 ◼   ► way they should be used maybe you know

01:21:10 ◼   ► some picking and choosing is good but

01:21:13 ◼   ► overall I don't do it myself because I

01:21:16 ◼   ► feel like I'm missing out on really

01:21:18 ◼   ► knowing cuz I I like the people whose

01:21:20 ◼   ► podcast I was into and I want to know

01:21:21 ◼   ► what they really like and I think you

01:21:23 ◼   ► really know what someone's like when

01:21:24 ◼   ► you've you hear everything about them

01:21:27 ◼   ► it's all about nuance yeah these things

01:21:29 ◼   ► are nuanced removers I know what you're

01:21:31 ◼   ► saying obviously I can't get entirely on

01:21:32 ◼   ► board because they don't do this I use

01:21:35 ◼   ► silence removal and on my podcast that I

01:21:39 ◼   ► have I will crank some podcasts up to

01:21:42 ◼   ► about one and a half speed which when

01:21:46 ◼   ► you also then add in silence removal

01:21:48 ◼   ► gets it very close to 1.8 or 2x but I am

01:21:52 ◼   ► I'm also in that category of it depends

01:21:55 ◼   ► on the podcast so I like I have

01:21:56 ◼   ► different settings for different shows

01:21:58 ◼   ► are there ones that you

01:22:00 ◼   ► we'll leave untouched cuz you want to

01:22:02 ◼   ► hear it you know as God intended if a

01:22:04 ◼   ► show is a funny show or ever like if I

01:22:06 ◼   ► just personally find the hosts funny I

01:22:08 ◼   ► do genuinely think that removing the

01:22:11 ◼   ► silence messes up some moments it does

01:22:16 ◼   ► mess up the way the timing comes across

01:22:18 ◼   ► but I think that like the higher speed

01:22:20 ◼   ► stuff is totally like I listen to a

01:22:22 ◼   ► bunch of shows that are sort of like

01:22:23 ◼   ► tech news II kind of shows yeah and

01:22:25 ◼   ► there I think it's way more appropriate

01:22:29 ◼   ► to crank up the speed a little bit on

01:22:31 ◼   ► that because it's it's not quite the

01:22:33 ◼   ► same thing it's like I want to listen to

01:22:35 ◼   ► a show but maybe I don't want to spend

01:22:36 ◼   ► an hour on it I want to spend 30 minutes

01:22:39 ◼   ► on I guess it says something about my

01:22:40 ◼   ► podcast listening to then cuz I like a

01:22:42 ◼   ► long podcast and like the longer the

01:22:44 ◼   ► better so the last thing I'd want to do

01:22:46 ◼   ► is like you know I don't feel like I'm

01:22:47 ◼   ► like number five needing input having to

01:22:50 ◼   ► read get everything into my brain as

01:22:51 ◼   ► quick as possible

01:22:52 ◼   ► my podcasting is like it's sort of

01:22:54 ◼   ► leisure time in a lot of ways I wouldn't

01:22:56 ◼   ► like the idea of just cramming it in as

01:22:57 ◼   ► fast as I can so I can get onto the next

01:22:59 ◼   ► one

01:22:59 ◼   ► it's why I like having different

01:23:00 ◼   ► settings on different shows and it

01:23:02 ◼   ► depends on what the kind of show is

01:23:05 ◼   ► obviously people who are listening to

01:23:07 ◼   ► this very show right now at 3x with what

01:23:11 ◼   ► the silence removed if that's the way

01:23:13 ◼   ► you want to do it as totally fine I'm

01:23:15 ◼   ► okay with that I will not look down upon

01:23:17 ◼   ► your choice although if you ever ever

01:23:20 ◼   ► meet Brady and I in person at some event

01:23:23 ◼   ► someday it may seem like we are the

01:23:25 ◼   ► slowest talkers in the world if you are

01:23:27 ◼   ► used to listening us at at super high

01:23:29 ◼   ► speed and I do see that comment very

01:23:31 ◼   ► often when people jump on the youtube

01:23:33 ◼   ► version of the show because it doesn't

01:23:35 ◼   ► have whatever their podcast app settings

01:23:36 ◼   ► are stuck at look like oh I thought the

01:23:39 ◼   ► two of these guys were drunken and I

01:23:40 ◼   ► realized oh I'm just listening to it at

01:23:42 ◼   ► One X speed on YouTube instead of reacts

01:23:44 ◼   ► like I normally do

01:23:45 ◼   ► so I've had my paper cuts you know that

01:23:47 ◼   ► means I think we need a quick episode of

01:23:49 ◼   ► the buzz CGP grey have you got a buzz

01:23:51 ◼   ► for me I don't really have a an episode

01:23:54 ◼   ► of the buzz because there isn't that

01:23:55 ◼   ► much be news grab a mic for people

01:23:57 ◼   ► rubbish

01:23:58 ◼   ► I'm trying to always tell me that

01:23:59 ◼   ► there's tons of B news there it's not

01:24:01 ◼   ► necessarily the case I'm just I'm going

01:24:04 ◼   ► B no don't no you don't need to go click

01:24:06 ◼   ► into the news tab there is a lot of B

01:24:08 ◼   ► news great no there's no there's no

01:24:09 ◼   ► penis I don't need to do that

01:24:12 ◼   ► I could read you seven excellent news

01:24:16 ◼   ► stories from the last five hours that

01:24:19 ◼   ► are all that B's it's not true the B

01:24:21 ◼   ► world is very calm

01:24:22 ◼   ► it's very staid but okay I just want to

01:24:26 ◼   ► bring your attention to the emoji pedia

01:24:30 ◼   ► page for the honeybee emoji I've sent

01:24:34 ◼   ► you the link okay in iMessage I'm

01:24:37 ◼   ► looking at all the pictures of the base

01:24:38 ◼   ► we have brought up emoji fragmentation

01:24:42 ◼   ► on this show yeah primarily in the

01:24:44 ◼   ► context of you being upset that the wolf

01:24:47 ◼   ► emoji no longer looks like Audrey which

01:24:49 ◼   ► is of course the way it should be

01:24:50 ◼   ► because it should look like a wolf not

01:24:52 ◼   ► like a little chihuahua but I've got to

01:24:54 ◼   ► say this page for what Abby's look like

01:24:57 ◼   ► so we've got all these different Bay's

01:24:59 ◼   ► for like Apple and Google and Microsoft

01:25:00 ◼   ► and Samsung and LG and Facebook and

01:25:04 ◼   ► Twitter and yeah I don't understand why

01:25:06 ◼   ► everybody has to have a totally

01:25:08 ◼   ► different set of emojis and these be

01:25:11 ◼   ► ones some of them ours are like

01:25:13 ◼   ► unspeakably terrible can we get our act

01:25:15 ◼   ► together with the different emojis can't

01:25:17 ◼   ► we consolidate them why do we have to

01:25:19 ◼   ► have these different ones why do we have

01:25:22 ◼   ► to have different communication between

01:25:24 ◼   ► people if I want to send someone a

01:25:26 ◼   ► picture of a bee and I think I'm sending

01:25:28 ◼   ► them like a cute little bee and then I

01:25:30 ◼   ► actually end up sending them something

01:25:31 ◼   ► that just looks like a bug we need to

01:25:33 ◼   ► consolidate these things yeah there is

01:25:36 ◼   ► some differences in tone that could

01:25:37 ◼   ► cause problems the question I have is if

01:25:40 ◼   ► you were in charge of emojis whose emoji

01:25:44 ◼   ► on this list would you use as the

01:25:46 ◼   ► default of bees

01:25:48 ◼   ► well I have an iPhone I have to say

01:25:52 ◼   ► personally I have always thought that

01:25:53 ◼   ► Apple's emojis are terrible hmm I've

01:25:56 ◼   ► never liked Apple going for this little

01:25:59 ◼   ► 3d emoji space they're like too small

01:26:03 ◼   ► and yet too detailed I have never ever

01:26:06 ◼   ► liked apples emojis yeah I think for on

01:26:09 ◼   ► a small scale you should have a flatter

01:26:12 ◼   ► design for what your emojis look like

01:26:14 ◼   ► you've clearly thought about this loads

01:26:16 ◼   ► like I love how you think about this

01:26:18 ◼   ► stuff but don't you think that makes

01:26:19 ◼   ► sense

01:26:20 ◼   ► it does make sense yeah it does make

01:26:22 ◼   ► sense I agree with you I think typically

01:26:24 ◼   ► emojis are looked at

01:26:26 ◼   ► well that is changing how small we look

01:26:29 ◼   ► at our emojis but okay yeah like Apple

01:26:31 ◼   ► and begin their emojis last year and

01:26:34 ◼   ► they made them three times larger but

01:26:36 ◼   ► they're still there's still not huge

01:26:37 ◼   ► icons right that they're drawn with a

01:26:40 ◼   ► lot of detail I mean what do you think

01:26:42 ◼   ► of the Apple ones I don't mind Apple

01:26:44 ◼   ► emojis I'm not someone who would

01:26:45 ◼   ► necessarily favor cutesiness and Apple

01:26:48 ◼   ► maybe is going a little bit down the

01:26:49 ◼   ► cutesy path but I can see why you would

01:26:53 ◼   ► favor 2d but in the case of the be out

01:26:57 ◼   ► an eye you haven't answered my question

01:26:59 ◼   ► yet which one are you gonna favor of the

01:27:02 ◼   ► ones on the lists there cuz I have to

01:27:03 ◼   ► say that's a bad bunch there's nothing

01:27:06 ◼   ► that's really great here it's a swarm of

01:27:08 ◼   ► bad emojis at the top we have apple with

01:27:11 ◼   ► a fat B that looks like no B I have ever

01:27:14 ◼   ► seen yet it's still trying to be like a

01:27:16 ◼   ► like a drawing of a B it's like if you

01:27:19 ◼   ► had a yellow balloon and you drew a

01:27:20 ◼   ► couple of stripes on it and you said ad

01:27:22 ◼   ► C that's a be great you know

01:27:24 ◼   ► nailed it you're not gonna like me

01:27:25 ◼   ► saying this but that's almost the best

01:27:27 ◼   ► of the bunch though it almost is though

01:27:29 ◼   ► I agree looking down at the bottom

01:27:31 ◼   ► there's like emoji decks and emoji one

01:27:33 ◼   ► bees that are terrible looking although

01:27:36 ◼   ► I've never come across those things I

01:27:37 ◼   ► don't know what they are the emerging

01:27:39 ◼   ► one one is okay

01:27:41 ◼   ► yeah the emoji decks one I don't even

01:27:43 ◼   ► know what I'm moti Texas but I've got a

01:27:45 ◼   ► terrible emoji for a bee

01:27:46 ◼   ► whoever is out there using emoji decks

01:27:48 ◼   ► I'm sorry that that's that's what your

01:27:50 ◼   ► thing is I can't even like invent what

01:27:52 ◼   ► that is in my head what emoji Dex is

01:27:54 ◼   ► like from the name whatever it is the

01:27:56 ◼   ► representation of a bee is like a man in

01:27:58 ◼   ► a bee costume wearing a mask stealing

01:28:01 ◼   ► some honey that's honey he said okay

01:28:03 ◼   ► yeah boys emoji Dex

01:28:05 ◼   ► I do not know anyway come on pick one

01:28:09 ◼   ► Facebook ones all right it's ugly though

01:28:12 ◼   ► it's sort of 3d but not really too much

01:28:16 ◼   ► Brown and not enough black but like the

01:28:18 ◼   ► Mozilla one looks like I designed that

01:28:19 ◼   ► that's how bad it is the Twitter one is

01:28:22 ◼   ► also terrible the Microsoft one like I

01:28:25 ◼   ► don't know what's going on there

01:28:27 ◼   ► someone went crazy with the stroke tool

01:28:28 ◼   ► in Photoshop Microsoft is a big fan of

01:28:31 ◼   ► thick strokes on their emoji now

01:28:35 ◼   ► here's the thing I'm actually gonna have

01:28:36 ◼   ► to say that I would probably go with

01:28:40 ◼   ► Microsoft or I would go with Twitter but

01:28:44 ◼   ► part of that is the overall design

01:28:46 ◼   ► aesthetic of emojis so if you click on

01:28:50 ◼   ► the icon for the Microsoft B where you

01:28:54 ◼   ► click on the icon for the Twitter B

01:28:56 ◼   ► it'll bring up what all the Microsoft

01:28:58 ◼   ► emoji look like and what all the Twitter

01:29:00 ◼   ► emoji look like okay and I feel like it

01:29:03 ◼   ► is it is inarguable that the flat

01:29:05 ◼   ► designs look more consistent as a bunch

01:29:10 ◼   ► together than the 3d designs of emojis

01:29:13 ◼   ► they definitely are more consistent yes

01:29:15 ◼   ► yeah I really like Twitter's emojis

01:29:18 ◼   ► I think the Microsoft emojis are very

01:29:20 ◼   ► good and I think the Apple emojis are

01:29:22 ◼   ► terrible and I don't like them every

01:29:25 ◼   ► time and as my wife often points out to

01:29:28 ◼   ► her great frustration the Apple emojis

01:29:30 ◼   ► are all also really biased towards

01:29:32 ◼   ► everything being happy like the Apple

01:29:34 ◼   ► ones is hard to express a wide range of

01:29:37 ◼   ► negative emotions with the Apple emojis

01:29:39 ◼   ► it's it's like we're all locked in some

01:29:41 ◼   ► kind of black mirror future where smiles

01:29:43 ◼   ► are the things that are best for us to

01:29:45 ◼   ► express does your wife who she wants to

01:29:47 ◼   ► express a bit more negativity in her

01:29:49 ◼   ► life yes yes that is exactly correct

01:29:50 ◼   ► she's the most positive texter I've ever

01:29:53 ◼   ► met like she's the most positive texture

01:29:54 ◼   ► you ever met because she's doing it

01:29:56 ◼   ► through the Apple system right and so

01:29:57 ◼   ► it's nothing but smiley faces right

01:29:59 ◼   ► that's that's the range of expression

01:30:01 ◼   ► that she is limited to okay so I'm gonna

01:30:03 ◼   ► say if I had to pick a B emoji I would

01:30:06 ◼   ► go with Twitter or I would go with

01:30:07 ◼   ► Microsoft but that is in the context of

01:30:10 ◼   ► them looking better as a series of

01:30:15 ◼   ► consistent flat emojis well that wasn't

01:30:18 ◼   ► what I asked you for I didn't ask you

01:30:20 ◼   ► for like you know to appraise the whole

01:30:22 ◼   ► system I just wanted it to be like a

01:30:24 ◼   ► versus B the Google one though the

01:30:27 ◼   ► Google one what's going really I'm

01:30:28 ◼   ► trying to I'm trying to rock the whole

01:30:30 ◼   ► world into the way I want it to be it's

01:30:32 ◼   ► like Whitby emoji is it gonna be I want

01:30:34 ◼   ► to change all of key emojis the Google

01:30:37 ◼   ► one is like what were they doing like

01:30:40 ◼   ► because the eyes are on the same side of

01:30:43 ◼   ► the face as like the wings yes so it's

01:30:46 ◼   ► like it's heads been like

01:30:48 ◼   ► yanked around what do they even know how

01:30:50 ◼   ► B works yeah the Google B emoji is an

01:30:53 ◼   ► exorcist emoji right it's it's the B

01:30:56 ◼   ► should be looking the other way but

01:30:57 ◼   ► they've given it human eyes and it has

01:30:59 ◼   ► rotated its head 180 degrees to be

01:31:01 ◼   ► looking at you as you select it the

01:31:03 ◼   ► Samsung one is like a cute image but

01:31:06 ◼   ► it's not an emoji mm-hmm it's like a

01:31:08 ◼   ► little drawing so I'm going with

01:31:10 ◼   ► Microsoft I'm going with Twitter that's

01:31:12 ◼   ► what I'm gonna have to go with here and

01:31:13 ◼   ► although I generally agree with some of

01:31:15 ◼   ► your sentiment about the Apple emoji so

01:31:18 ◼   ► I'm gonna go for the Apple emoji really

01:31:19 ◼   ► I like that B I'd like to watch it fly

01:31:23 ◼   ► cuz it's kind of fat and like so it

01:31:25 ◼   ► looks like it would struggle to fly I'm

01:31:27 ◼   ► kind of rooting for him a bit like I

01:31:28 ◼   ► feel sad I'm sorry I can see what you

01:31:30 ◼   ► mean it almost looked like it's easy a

01:31:32 ◼   ► bit dopey this is also a case where if

01:31:34 ◼   ► it's going to be this detailed I feel

01:31:35 ◼   ► like it should be fuzzy like it like

01:31:37 ◼   ► bees actually are it's not enough detail

01:31:39 ◼   ► it just looks like a balloon

01:31:40 ◼   ► alright gray I'm throwing it out there I

01:31:42 ◼   ► want to see Tim's design a bee emoji put

01:31:47 ◼   ► them on the subreddit see if someone can

01:31:49 ◼   ► come up with a bee emoji that is worthy

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01:33:33 ◼   ► show GRA just to finish up we're going

01:33:37 ◼   ► to quickly talk about a film which

01:33:38 ◼   ► obviously means there'll be a little bit

01:33:40 ◼   ► of spoiling us but we like to do that at

01:33:42 ◼   ► the end of shows right so there'll be

01:33:44 ◼   ► nothing else in the show except you and

01:33:47 ◼   ► I talking about

01:33:48 ◼   ► a film called the circle

01:33:52 ◼   ► starring Emma Watson or Hermione Granger

01:33:57 ◼   ► as my wife said every time she came on

01:33:59 ◼   ► screen for the first 10 minutes of the

01:34:00 ◼   ► film yeah I was gonna say what why was

01:34:02 ◼   ► this such a question mark at the end of

01:34:03 ◼   ► her name but that's but that's what it

01:34:05 ◼   ► was if you're trying to think of what is

01:34:06 ◼   ► their actual name that's the first -

01:34:08 ◼   ► Hermione Granger right and also starring

01:34:11 ◼   ► Tom Hanks and quite a few other good

01:34:13 ◼   ► actors starring the guy from Star Wars

01:34:15 ◼   ► whose name I don't know yep and I'll

01:34:17 ◼   ► tell you what you would be happy I went

01:34:20 ◼   ► into this as spoiler free as a human

01:34:23 ◼   ► could almost be because we were thinking

01:34:25 ◼   ► what film we're gonna watch tonight and

01:34:27 ◼   ► more so know what about that new Netflix

01:34:29 ◼   ► one that's got Tom Hanks and him only

01:34:32 ◼   ► Granger in it and I said okay that can't

01:34:35 ◼   ► be bad it's got Tom Hanks in oh and I

01:34:37 ◼   ► had no idea whatsoever what the film was

01:34:40 ◼   ► gonna be about no idea oh that's

01:34:42 ◼   ► interesting because you must have

01:34:43 ◼   ► forgotten that a while ago on hello

01:34:45 ◼   ► internets we were talking about Tom

01:34:47 ◼   ► Hanks in a passing way about how he

01:34:49 ◼   ► always plays a good guy and there were a

01:34:52 ◼   ► bunch of comments on that episode about

01:34:53 ◼   ► how oh there's a movie coming up with

01:34:55 ◼   ► Tom Hanks where he's going to play the

01:34:56 ◼   ► villain and it's called the circle well

01:34:58 ◼   ► we'll come to that then we'll come to

01:35:00 ◼   ► that issue but no I didn't remember that

01:35:02 ◼   ► that did pass me by Tom and even when

01:35:04 ◼   ► Tom Hanks was playing a bad guy he's

01:35:06 ◼   ► still a good guy like in that one where

01:35:09 ◼   ► he's like a killer for the mob or

01:35:10 ◼   ► whatever and he's still like a good

01:35:12 ◼   ► [Laughter]

01:35:13 ◼   ► Tom Hanks this is lovely anyway so I

01:35:17 ◼   ► watch this film knowing nothing and at

01:35:18 ◼   ► the end of it I thought I wonder what

01:35:22 ◼   ► gray thinks of this film so I I like

01:35:24 ◼   ► sent you a text saying gray you need to

01:35:26 ◼   ► watch this film because I think we

01:35:27 ◼   ► should talk about on hello Internet and

01:35:29 ◼   ► you told me you don't he watched it yep

01:35:31 ◼   ► yep I watched it a few weeks ago with my

01:35:35 ◼   ► wife it was a simile she was looking

01:35:37 ◼   ► around on the Netflix thinking who what

01:35:38 ◼   ► what should have watched and thought oh

01:35:40 ◼   ► here's the movie with Hermione Granger

01:35:41 ◼   ► this looks great let's watch this and I

01:35:44 ◼   ► was happy to go along this is a case

01:35:46 ◼   ► where I had actually read the book it

01:35:48 ◼   ► was originally a book and sometimes I

01:35:52 ◼   ► read a book and like I have a very hard

01:35:55 ◼   ► time getting into fiction I have a very

01:35:59 ◼   ► hard time finding fiction books that I

01:36:00 ◼   ► really like and there is a complaint

01:36:04 ◼   ► that I would say I've had more

01:36:06 ◼   ► frequently about fiction books that I

01:36:10 ◼   ► have picked up which is fiction books

01:36:13 ◼   ► that feel like they are begging to be

01:36:17 ◼   ► turned into movies like it feels like

01:36:20 ◼   ► less like I'm reading a book and more

01:36:23 ◼   ► like I'm reading a sales

01:36:25 ◼   ► proof-of-concept that a thing should be

01:36:28 ◼   ► turned into a movie yeah and like I read

01:36:31 ◼   ► the circle it was fine

01:36:33 ◼   ► but that was one thing that I felt

01:36:36 ◼   ► intentional or not felt very strongly in

01:36:40 ◼   ► that one is like I think you really want

01:36:42 ◼   ► this to be a movie yeah and you've

01:36:44 ◼   ► you've actually just written a book that

01:36:47 ◼   ► you can sell enough of to convince

01:36:50 ◼   ► someone to turn into a movie I get yeah

01:36:52 ◼   ► I haven't read the book obviously but I

01:36:54 ◼   ► have read books like that and who say I

01:36:56 ◼   ► understand so you watch the film but you

01:36:58 ◼   ► had you obviously went in with

01:36:59 ◼   ► considerably more knowledge then about

01:37:01 ◼   ► at least what the film was gonna be

01:37:02 ◼   ► about one could say I had a lot I had a

01:37:05 ◼   ► head full of spoilers about what might

01:37:07 ◼   ► happen in the movie unless they took a

01:37:09 ◼   ► dramatically different turn which they

01:37:11 ◼   ► mostly didn't so for people who are

01:37:13 ◼   ► listening who have not seen the film

01:37:16 ◼   ► that want to hear what we have to say

01:37:17 ◼   ► about it do you want to kind of just

01:37:19 ◼   ► like encapsulate what the films about in

01:37:21 ◼   ► the nuttiest of nutshells it's a movie

01:37:23 ◼   ► that is very much of its time right now

01:37:27 ◼   ► the basic plot is that Hermione Granger

01:37:30 ◼   ► gets hired by a company that is clearly

01:37:33 ◼   ► a kind of Google stroke Facebook

01:37:38 ◼   ► amalgamation and she is working at this

01:37:42 ◼   ► company and the purpose of the company

01:37:44 ◼   ► is to spread these these very small

01:37:48 ◼   ► high-resolution video cameras all over

01:37:51 ◼   ► the world now that's the new product

01:37:52 ◼   ► yeah that's the new product yeah like

01:37:54 ◼   ► you say there like a Facebook II social

01:37:56 ◼   ► media app illegally yeah it's a bit

01:37:58 ◼   ► unclear precisely what this company

01:38:00 ◼   ► called the circle does right now but

01:38:02 ◼   ► it's it's it's like oh there's a search

01:38:05 ◼   ► engine social network II kind of company

01:38:09 ◼   ► with lots of everything in one yeah

01:38:10 ◼   ► exactly yeah and the driving force of

01:38:12 ◼   ► the plot is that they are manufacturing

01:38:14 ◼   ► these video cameras that if they're

01:38:16 ◼   ► going to put all over the world that

01:38:18 ◼   ► will eventually then be able to record

01:38:20 ◼   ► all of the information that's occurring

01:38:22 ◼   ► everywhere like that it that is the

01:38:24 ◼   ► driving force of the plot okay and then

01:38:27 ◼   ► yeah and Hermione Granger away she's bit

01:38:29 ◼   ► of an underling at the company gets

01:38:30 ◼   ► heavily drawn into it all by a series of

01:38:33 ◼   ► coincidences and becomes a real linchpin

01:38:35 ◼   ► to the whole marketing campaign and she

01:38:39 ◼   ► also then becomes like the subject of a

01:38:40 ◼   ► test run with these cameras where

01:38:42 ◼   ► everyone in the world follows her life

01:38:44 ◼   ► stuff like that so gray you know early

01:38:48 ◼   ► on I like to get a thumbs up or down of

01:38:51 ◼   ► course

01:38:52 ◼   ► which ways the which way is the thumb

01:38:53 ◼   ► pointing this is one time I'm very happy

01:38:55 ◼   ► to just say it at the beginning because

01:38:59 ◼   ► I thought this movie was terrible gray

01:39:00 ◼   ► uh I think you are over rating it by

01:39:02 ◼   ► calling a terrible this film like almost

01:39:06 ◼   ► made me angry taking time away from I

01:39:09 ◼   ► don't know why I kept watching it I just

01:39:11 ◼   ► sort of felt like oh I just guess I have

01:39:13 ◼   ► to know how it ends it was very

01:39:16 ◼   ► interesting having read the book which

01:39:17 ◼   ► again I would describe as kind of a meh

01:39:19 ◼   ► but like fine book but it was it was so

01:39:22 ◼   ► interesting to have I've read that and

01:39:24 ◼   ► thought like oh obviously this should be

01:39:25 ◼   ► a movie like so many of the things that

01:39:27 ◼   ► are happening in this book would be much

01:39:28 ◼   ► better as a movie turns out not seconds

01:39:32 ◼   ► out you really wanted this to be a movie

01:39:34 ◼   ► and movies

01:39:35 ◼   ► and it's funny that you say that because

01:39:37 ◼   ► I would say that my wife and I have

01:39:40 ◼   ► watched a very large number of movies

01:39:42 ◼   ► that I would fairly described as as

01:39:43 ◼   ► terrible but my wife was also in the

01:39:46 ◼   ► kind of like angry that she had spent

01:39:48 ◼   ► time in her life on this film mine too

01:39:52 ◼   ► mine too it was the angriest I've seen

01:39:54 ◼   ► her for years I'm not even joking

01:39:58 ◼   ► she was like really mad as film for

01:40:01 ◼   ► being so just for being bad not because

01:40:03 ◼   ► it raised issues that upset her or

01:40:05 ◼   ► anything just like that's just the

01:40:07 ◼   ► badness of it like it was insulting that

01:40:10 ◼   ► it came into our lounge room but yeah so

01:40:12 ◼   ► this movie was shockingly awful and I

01:40:16 ◼   ► think it was also interesting that it's

01:40:17 ◼   ► it's movie with two pretty big stars

01:40:20 ◼   ► that was just yeah terrible because I

01:40:23 ◼   ► felt like you're like oh they've taken a

01:40:26 ◼   ► book that was begging to be a movie they

01:40:28 ◼   ► put Tom Hanks in it they have Hermione

01:40:30 ◼   ► Granger as the lead

01:40:32 ◼   ► they must be super confident about this

01:40:35 ◼   ► this is going to be great and it was not

01:40:37 ◼   ► did I read the script

01:40:38 ◼   ► I mean did Tom Hanks write the script

01:40:39 ◼   ► that's the thing I always wonder I would

01:40:42 ◼   ► love to know do actors know that they're

01:40:45 ◼   ► in a terrible movie this is a question I

01:40:47 ◼   ► find myself asking all the time I

01:40:50 ◼   ► suspect not because I think there has to

01:40:53 ◼   ► be so much that happens after the

01:40:56 ◼   ► production like a movie must depend so

01:40:59 ◼   ► heavily on the Edit how things turn out

01:41:02 ◼   ► in post-production sort of famously a

01:41:04 ◼   ► lot of the documentaries about Star Wars

01:41:05 ◼   ► say that this was the case that the

01:41:06 ◼   ► first cut of the movie john-boy George

01:41:08 ◼   ► Lucas was unwatchable and bad and it was

01:41:11 ◼   ► totally saved in the editing and when

01:41:14 ◼   ► they were filming as well I think some

01:41:15 ◼   ► of them thought what is this nonsense

01:41:16 ◼   ► what are we doing Ben Kenobi with has

01:41:19 ◼   ► these letters that he wrote home to

01:41:20 ◼   ► friends the house is terrible movie gods

01:41:24 ◼   ► which is hilarious it's a real I can't

01:41:26 ◼   ► believe I have to do this nonsense it's

01:41:28 ◼   ► ridiculous so III do wonder and I just

01:41:30 ◼   ► have to assume that you don't know as an

01:41:35 ◼   ► actor that you're filming a thing and

01:41:36 ◼   ► you just you hope it comes out well but

01:41:39 ◼   ► you don't know for sure if they know

01:41:40 ◼   ► when they watch it what do you think

01:41:42 ◼   ► when they set for the first viewing they

01:41:43 ◼   ► were like oh my god well that turn that

01:41:45 ◼   ► bad what do you think maybe that so

01:41:47 ◼   ► invest

01:41:48 ◼   ► they kind of can still see it through

01:41:50 ◼   ► rose-tinted glasses I think everybody

01:41:52 ◼   ► knows bad movies I think Tom Hanks was

01:41:54 ◼   ► probably a slinking down in his chair at

01:41:57 ◼   ► the premiere going like oh god this this

01:41:59 ◼   ► ended up being terrible yeah I think you

01:42:02 ◼   ► would know don't you I don't know maybe

01:42:04 ◼   ► you don't maybe when you're in something

01:42:06 ◼   ► you like you to skip like starry-eyed

01:42:07 ◼   ► and think oh wow look at me on the

01:42:09 ◼   ► screen like I'm awesome

01:42:11 ◼   ► but anyway if you had to just give a

01:42:15 ◼   ► couple of key reasons as to why it was

01:42:16 ◼   ► bad for the sake of having reviewed it

01:42:18 ◼   ► what were your main thoughts about it

01:42:20 ◼   ► what made it bad here is why I think

01:42:23 ◼   ► your wife my wife you and me don't just

01:42:28 ◼   ► think that the movie is bad but sort of

01:42:29 ◼   ► our angry at it so I have this policy

01:42:33 ◼   ► willing to watch movies in the house

01:42:34 ◼   ► which is when you start watching the

01:42:37 ◼   ► movie movies don't change whatever

01:42:41 ◼   ► happens in the first five minutes of a

01:42:43 ◼   ► movie that's probably what you're going

01:42:45 ◼   ► to get for the next 90 minutes whatever

01:42:48 ◼   ► the tone is like or if if the first few

01:42:51 ◼   ► minutes are really bad like that's not

01:42:54 ◼   ► going to turn around yeah some movies

01:42:57 ◼   ► managed to have a very clever strong

01:42:58 ◼   ► opening and then they kind of lose it

01:43:00 ◼   ► but if a thing is bad like it you are

01:43:02 ◼   ► you were going nowhere in this movie

01:43:05 ◼   ► what makes a circle kind of frustrating

01:43:07 ◼   ► is it feels like it it stayed at the

01:43:10 ◼   ► level of being like just sort of mildly

01:43:14 ◼   ► interesting enough that you wanted to

01:43:16 ◼   ► keep watching it while failing to

01:43:19 ◼   ► deliver on any of the satisfactions that

01:43:21 ◼   ► good storytelling would actually do so

01:43:24 ◼   ► it's like if the movie was worse we

01:43:27 ◼   ► would have stopped watching it sooner

01:43:28 ◼   ► and just been like well that's terrible

01:43:30 ◼   ► and turn it off but it was just at that

01:43:33 ◼   ► threshold of I'm still watching this but

01:43:38 ◼   ► it is awful it is absolutely awful but I

01:43:40 ◼   ► can't quite make it stop I think that's

01:43:43 ◼   ► why the movie is angering yeah I mean no

01:43:46 ◼   ► that's not my opinion but yeah why do

01:43:49 ◼   ► you think it was so terrible the classic

01:43:50 ◼   ► reason of bad storytelling is Kay like

01:43:54 ◼   ► the motivation of the characters

01:43:56 ◼   ► particularly the main character

01:43:59 ◼   ► so utterly baffling mm-hmm like why she

01:44:03 ◼   ► says the things she says and why she

01:44:05 ◼   ► does the things she does she just

01:44:08 ◼   ► changes and like one minute you think

01:44:10 ◼   ► like she's like me and she can see that

01:44:12 ◼   ► this is all wrong like she's doing these

01:44:14 ◼   ► look she's got this look like this seems

01:44:16 ◼   ► so wrong you know you think she's gonna

01:44:17 ◼   ► be the Crusader and then suddenly she's

01:44:20 ◼   ► like becomes the villain and like she's

01:44:21 ◼   ► saying oh yeah we need you know we need

01:44:23 ◼   ► to do more of this and this is really

01:44:25 ◼   ► good like I completely do not understand

01:44:27 ◼   ► her as a human being like she's so

01:44:29 ◼   ► poorly written that I'm not blaming Emma

01:44:33 ◼   ► Watson like you know she was just like

01:44:35 ◼   ► and she just she read the lines but like

01:44:38 ◼   ► the motivation of that character and all

01:44:40 ◼   ► the other characters is so completely

01:44:43 ◼   ► unrealistic and crazy and like the

01:44:46 ◼   ► villains like the villains of the pace

01:44:48 ◼   ► like who I guess is supposed to be Tom

01:44:51 ◼   ► Hanks and his offsider who hardly ever

01:44:54 ◼   ► speaks but I think we're supposed to

01:44:55 ◼   ► hate as some kind of villain like we

01:44:57 ◼   ► never know anything about them so like

01:45:00 ◼   ► at the end when they supposedly get

01:45:01 ◼   ► their comeuppance and get stitched up

01:45:03 ◼   ► I'm like what did they do wrong yeah

01:45:05 ◼   ► like in fact they were kind of nice yeah

01:45:08 ◼   ► like when things started going bad for

01:45:10 ◼   ► Emma Watson they're like you know take

01:45:11 ◼   ► some time off you know do whatever you

01:45:13 ◼   ► want they were in violence they were

01:45:15 ◼   ► just like guys who wanted to be

01:45:17 ◼   ► successful in business and thought their

01:45:19 ◼   ► product was pretty good so I didn't

01:45:22 ◼   ► dislike the villains if the hero I

01:45:24 ◼   ► thought was just a complete lunatic who

01:45:28 ◼   ► like I never knew what she was gonna do

01:45:30 ◼   ► because I don't know what she was but

01:45:33 ◼   ► also just the whole idea and the way

01:45:35 ◼   ► like technology and the internet and

01:45:37 ◼   ► social media was portrayed it was like

01:45:40 ◼   ► it was written by some corporate

01:45:43 ◼   ► executive that just learned about

01:45:44 ◼   ► Facebook like it felt like it was

01:45:46 ◼   ► written by like an old person who

01:45:48 ◼   ► doesn't get it it kind of had this

01:45:50 ◼   ► feeling of like it's about like five

01:45:53 ◼   ► years too late mm-hmm and all like these

01:45:56 ◼   ► like hmm how what thought-provoking

01:45:58 ◼   ► ideas you're posing about surveillance

01:46:01 ◼   ► and social networking and the way

01:46:03 ◼   ► relationships work in the online world

01:46:05 ◼   ► this is so fascinating these insights

01:46:07 ◼   ► you're putting before me it felt like

01:46:09 ◼   ► naive like have you got anything else to

01:46:12 ◼   ► say you

01:46:12 ◼   ► poorly executed in so many ways

01:46:14 ◼   ► obviously had some money and I could

01:46:16 ◼   ► kind of looked all right like you know

01:46:18 ◼   ► the sets were good and the campus where

01:46:21 ◼   ► it was filmed like the you know the the

01:46:22 ◼   ► Apple Campus Tech place was filmed

01:46:24 ◼   ► mm-hmm was okay you know

01:46:26 ◼   ► it was InFocus see the movie poster now

01:46:34 ◼   ► the circle all right pictures of the

01:46:37 ◼   ► actors it was a focus the whole art of

01:46:46 ◼   ► making a movie is is a thing that I find

01:46:48 ◼   ► kind of fascinating I'm like why is a

01:46:50 ◼   ► movie good why is the movie not good

01:46:52 ◼   ► it's often harder to articulate what

01:46:54 ◼   ► like why something works or it it

01:46:56 ◼   ► doesn't this was a movie where I felt

01:46:58 ◼   ► like okay your premise I am so ready to

01:47:02 ◼   ► get on board your premise that a global

01:47:06 ◼   ► surveillance society might not be an

01:47:09 ◼   ► unmitigated good that if we have cameras

01:47:12 ◼   ► that are recording everywhere in public

01:47:14 ◼   ► all the time and everybody is also

01:47:17 ◼   ► live-streaming their life all the time

01:47:19 ◼   ► that maybe there are some downsides it's

01:47:22 ◼   ► like I am so ready to get on board but

01:47:25 ◼   ► then I'm watching this movie where the

01:47:27 ◼   ► whole premise is this is a bad thing I

01:47:29 ◼   ► feel like you're not selling me on it

01:47:31 ◼   ► movie I feel unconvinced but also there

01:47:33 ◼   ► was no understanding how anyone was

01:47:36 ◼   ► motivated by anything like her her old

01:47:39 ◼   ► friend her old friend who's like you

01:47:41 ◼   ► know the guy that lives in the cabin in

01:47:42 ◼   ► the woods why is he so anti Internet

01:47:45 ◼   ► what happened to him that made him so

01:47:47 ◼   ► against it to a point where he like you

01:47:49 ◼   ► know drives off a bridge because he's

01:47:51 ◼   ► scared of being filmed like I don't get

01:47:53 ◼   ► why he was so scared of cameras like

01:47:54 ◼   ► your reaction made no sense to me like I

01:47:57 ◼   ► know it's not nice but you just

01:47:59 ◼   ► overreacted and the other guy you know

01:48:01 ◼   ► the the genius lurking in the shadows

01:48:03 ◼   ► ooh was he always able just to hack into

01:48:05 ◼   ► everyone's emails like all the bosses

01:48:07 ◼   ► like he does at the end like and what

01:48:09 ◼   ► what was he motivated by what happened

01:48:11 ◼   ► to him that made him so want to go off

01:48:13 ◼   ► grid and be so auntie his invention and

01:48:16 ◼   ► how did he get access to all this stuff

01:48:18 ◼   ► and when they announced this invention

01:48:20 ◼   ► and they're saying we're gonna film

01:48:22 ◼   ► everyone in the world 24/7 everything

01:48:24 ◼   ► they do

01:48:25 ◼   ► like that's so obviously like a

01:48:28 ◼   ► pantomime villain idea but no one ever

01:48:31 ◼   ► questioned it like it would have been a

01:48:33 ◼   ► bit more realistic if someone said yeah

01:48:35 ◼   ► I know you're gonna have some privacy

01:48:37 ◼   ► concerns and we understand that but

01:48:39 ◼   ► we've looked into it and we've got this

01:48:40 ◼   ► and that like that would have made it

01:48:42 ◼   ► realistic but it was so unrealistic that

01:48:45 ◼   ► everyone had just like be all gooey odd

01:48:47 ◼   ► and go oh what a great idea let's all

01:48:50 ◼   ► clap like it was like a parody of like

01:48:53 ◼   ► you know an apple launch event you

01:48:55 ◼   ► needed some kind of realism some kind of

01:48:58 ◼   ► questioning some kind of grittiness to

01:49:00 ◼   ► it like everything was just such a

01:49:03 ◼   ► cliche it was so cliched like I said

01:49:07 ◼   ► before it was so lacking in any nuance

01:49:09 ◼   ► that it made well didn't make it

01:49:12 ◼   ► unwatchable because I watched the whole

01:49:14 ◼   ► bloody thing but that makes it worse

01:49:17 ◼   ► that was the fear you couldn't turn it

01:49:19 ◼   ► off either I should have turned it off

01:49:22 ◼   ► yeah you'll never get those hours of

01:49:24 ◼   ► your life back but it was an

01:49:26 ◼   ► impressively bad movie and they said

01:49:28 ◼   ► things made no sense or Hermione Granger

01:49:31 ◼   ► most of the time I feel like she's just

01:49:33 ◼   ► like with the TripAdvisor stuff she's

01:49:35 ◼   ► like being a chump who's doing all this

01:49:36 ◼   ► work for the company and becoming like

01:49:38 ◼   ► the spokesperson of their huge products

01:49:40 ◼   ► you like to what benefits to her it's

01:49:43 ◼   ► never clear at all why she would want to

01:49:46 ◼   ► do this it's like it makes no sense at

01:49:48 ◼   ► all she's she's sitting in some board

01:49:50 ◼   ► meeting that's being live broadcast of

01:49:52 ◼   ► the world and like all these ridiculous

01:49:54 ◼   ► things are being said and she suddenly

01:49:56 ◼   ► pipes up with let's make every single

01:49:58 ◼   ► person in the world be a member of you

01:50:01 ◼   ► know our Facebook circle like and make

01:50:02 ◼   ► it compulsory right and like where the

01:50:05 ◼   ► hell did that come from

01:50:06 ◼   ► I didn't think even Tom Hanks was

01:50:08 ◼   ► thinking of that look obviously he was

01:50:11 ◼   ► that was supposed to be like the Senate

01:50:13 ◼   ► but it was like she was so nothing at

01:50:19 ◼   ► the end of the film do you understand

01:50:22 ◼   ► the end of the film it makes no sense

01:50:24 ◼   ► like she she brings down the supposed

01:50:27 ◼   ► villains who as far as I could tell have

01:50:29 ◼   ► done nothing wrong they've just been

01:50:31 ◼   ► normal company owners right with that

01:50:33 ◼   ► except they're trying to sell except it

01:50:35 ◼   ► turns out they have secret email

01:50:36 ◼   ► accounts so obviously that been up to

01:50:38 ◼   ► maybe there are two villains that I

01:50:39 ◼   ► don't know what they were doing and like

01:50:40 ◼   ► you know maybe they were putting bad

01:50:43 ◼   ► things in the water whatever but then

01:50:45 ◼   ► she says to everyone come with me like

01:50:48 ◼   ► you know Oh lead the way and I think I

01:50:50 ◼   ► don't want her leading the company she's

01:50:52 ◼   ► the one who's been coming up with all

01:50:53 ◼   ► the terrible ideas and then at the end

01:50:55 ◼   ► she's like being filmed and everything's

01:50:57 ◼   ► being filmed and it's like okay so this

01:51:00 ◼   ► is this confused premise of the ending

01:51:02 ◼   ► Hermione Granger is live-streaming her

01:51:05 ◼   ► entire life which is portrayed as a

01:51:08 ◼   ► thing which is kind of ruining her

01:51:09 ◼   ► entire lives ruining her family

01:51:11 ◼   ► relationships is ruining her personal

01:51:14 ◼   ► relationships but she loves it and it's

01:51:16 ◼   ► great and it's fantastic yes

01:51:18 ◼   ► she's like this is great she's rising up

01:51:20 ◼   ► through the company as the spokesperson

01:51:22 ◼   ► for how live-streaming should work and

01:51:25 ◼   ► the comeuppance that she gets the

01:51:28 ◼   ► villain Tom Hanks is by just sort of

01:51:32 ◼   ► tricking him onstage to agree to

01:51:35 ◼   ► livestream

01:51:36 ◼   ► his life as well but this is all just

01:51:41 ◼   ► part of everyone will livestream all of

01:51:44 ◼   ► their lives so that is the conclusion is

01:51:48 ◼   ► like hahaha we got what we pulled one

01:51:50 ◼   ► over on Tom thanks we're gonna make him

01:51:52 ◼   ► livestream his life but as part of just

01:51:56 ◼   ► making everybody live stream their light

01:51:58 ◼   ► it's like what's the victory here I

01:52:00 ◼   ► don't understand I don't understand how

01:52:02 ◼   ► this is supposed to be like ha ha ha

01:52:04 ◼   ► she's won like the music is telling me

01:52:06 ◼   ► that we've won but I don't understand at

01:52:09 ◼   ► all what's occurred here it's also again

01:52:11 ◼   ► so lacking in nuance like if tomorrow

01:52:14 ◼   ► Apple came out with this invention us

01:52:17 ◼   ► and everyone you know you have to wear a

01:52:19 ◼   ► camera so we can watch every single move

01:52:21 ◼   ► of your life right it would be five

01:52:23 ◼   ► seconds before someone said well I hope

01:52:25 ◼   ► Tim Cook's gonna be the first person to

01:52:27 ◼   ► wear one right that would take five

01:52:28 ◼   ► seconds like that's such an obvious

01:52:31 ◼   ► thing but here it was like but you never

01:52:34 ◼   ► saw that one coming and you've got no no

01:52:36 ◼   ► out Sephora or no like way to wiggle out

01:52:38 ◼   ► of it the CEO of the company using their

01:52:41 ◼   ► own products this never occurred to me

01:52:44 ◼   ► like if he doesn't want to wear a lot

01:52:46 ◼   ► surely he would have already thought

01:52:47 ◼   ► about this a million times and had all

01:52:49 ◼   ► these clever arts

01:52:50 ◼   ► and yes I'd like to wear the camera have

01:52:52 ◼   ► only Granger but for legal reasons and

01:52:54 ◼   ► to do with the you know share price of

01:52:57 ◼   ► the company or like you know I'm sure he

01:52:59 ◼   ► could come up with a thousand reason yes

01:53:01 ◼   ► not where and not just sit there like a

01:53:02 ◼   ► stun mullet and thing yeah oh you've got

01:53:05 ◼   ► me I'm pretty sure broadcasting some of

01:53:07 ◼   ► those secret meetings would be like an

01:53:08 ◼   ► SEC violation right like I think they

01:53:10 ◼   ► were taking about two seconds to come up

01:53:12 ◼   ► with legitimate reason why he couldn't

01:53:13 ◼   ► do and if that guy who hacked all the

01:53:15 ◼   ► emails has always had the ability to get

01:53:17 ◼   ► look cuz she goes to him doesn't she

01:53:18 ◼   ► that she goes to this mystery handsome

01:53:20 ◼   ► man who says I need you to help me like

01:53:23 ◼   ► she obviously just said to him that

01:53:24 ◼   ► night before can you go and get all the

01:53:27 ◼   ► bosses secret emails

01:53:28 ◼   ► well if he's like really worried about

01:53:31 ◼   ► this company anyway and he's always been

01:53:32 ◼   ► able to do that ah

01:53:34 ◼   ► so I'm sorry gray this is what bad

01:53:36 ◼   ► movies do to you right they they bounce

01:53:38 ◼   ► around in your head and and you feel

01:53:40 ◼   ► like you need to vent them out it's like

01:53:43 ◼   ► you gotta get rid of this terrible movie

01:53:44 ◼   ► this one upset me in a different way to

01:53:47 ◼   ► say the hobbit' I think the reason maybe

01:53:51 ◼   ► is because it's such a a black mirror

01:53:54 ◼   ► wannabe and black mirror is so good like

01:53:57 ◼   ► nerd did all this stuff so well yeah

01:54:00 ◼   ► it's like daytime TV black mirror I also

01:54:03 ◼   ► personally feel like it's a horrific ly

01:54:06 ◼   ► wasted premise and opportunity because I

01:54:09 ◼   ► genuinely think there is some

01:54:12 ◼   ► interesting discussion to be had about

01:54:15 ◼   ► these kind of giant technological

01:54:17 ◼   ► companies that run our lives in a in a

01:54:20 ◼   ► very different way from what's occurred

01:54:21 ◼   ► before do you not think that's been if a

01:54:23 ◼   ► hack made like cliche discussion though

01:54:25 ◼   ► I know I know what you're gonna say but

01:54:27 ◼   ► it's like I'm very fortunate that I've

01:54:29 ◼   ► had the experience of being on the

01:54:31 ◼   ► campuses of a bunch of these companies

01:54:32 ◼   ► and it's just deeply weird in a way that

01:54:37 ◼   ► is hard to articulate there is something

01:54:40 ◼   ► that is interesting there to be

01:54:42 ◼   ► discovered and to be explored

01:54:45 ◼   ► hmm I dunno what you're saying about it

01:54:47 ◼   ► being a hackneyed conversation about

01:54:49 ◼   ► like oh you know weyland-yutani is an

01:54:52 ◼   ► evil company that's trying to destroy

01:54:53 ◼   ► all of our lives but I do think that

01:54:56 ◼   ► there is something different in the

01:54:58 ◼   ► world now about really living in a place

01:55:01 ◼   ► where

01:55:02 ◼   ► a very few companies have such

01:55:05 ◼   ► tremendous power and and influence going

01:55:09 ◼   ► back to just touch very briefly on the

01:55:11 ◼   ► on the copyright thing but it is one of

01:55:12 ◼   ► the reasons why like the goings on of

01:55:16 ◼   ► how are people able to express

01:55:18 ◼   ► themselves on a place like YouTube we're

01:55:20 ◼   ► on Twitter it's so central to the

01:55:22 ◼   ► conversation because those places are so

01:55:24 ◼   ► incredibly important and silencing

01:55:28 ◼   ► people on the on these platforms is like

01:55:31 ◼   ► I think we're way past the point where

01:55:32 ◼   ► you can just say like oh oh it's just a

01:55:34 ◼   ► company and they can do whatever they

01:55:35 ◼   ► want it's like these are companies with

01:55:37 ◼   ► power that rivals governmental powers

01:55:40 ◼   ► and so I really do think like there

01:55:43 ◼   ► could have been a much better version of

01:55:46 ◼   ► this movie which which might have had

01:55:48 ◼   ► something to say on on these topics and

01:55:51 ◼   ► the setting of like in real life like

01:55:54 ◼   ► Facebook is such a such a surreal

01:55:57 ◼   ► setting for a movie to take place and

01:56:00 ◼   ► that there's a way to like show the

01:56:01 ◼   ► viewer how this place is so different

01:56:03 ◼   ► and I almost want to use the word like

01:56:08 ◼   ► cult-like then normal company

01:56:11 ◼   ► experiences mm-hmm but that's where the

01:56:14 ◼   ► the circle just failed to deliver across

01:56:17 ◼   ► all of these areas and so it just feels

01:56:20 ◼   ► like oh you wasted a great premise and

01:56:23 ◼   ► you wasted a great setting on a movie

01:56:26 ◼   ► that makes no sense which is what makes

01:56:29 ◼   ► it twice as infuriating as it would be

01:56:32 ◼   ► if it was just a bad movie if it feels

01:56:34 ◼   ► to me more like oh it's this could have

01:56:36 ◼   ► been great but it was terrible do you

01:56:39 ◼   ► disagree yeah okay I mean to sort of

01:56:43 ◼   ► slightly exaggerate what you've just

01:56:46 ◼   ► done it's almost like you've watched a

01:56:48 ◼   ► really really bad detective movie and

01:56:52 ◼   ► you're saying oh this could have been a

01:56:54 ◼   ► good detective movie it was good yeah

01:56:57 ◼   ► but it wasn't it was bad like yeah okay

01:57:00 ◼   ► I agree that you could make a really

01:57:02 ◼   ► good film and you're right there

01:57:03 ◼   ► probably hasn't been a lot of films

01:57:04 ◼   ► about that sort of things yeah oh yeah I

01:57:06 ◼   ► will complete I really I think you can

01:57:08 ◼   ► make a good movie about anything I find

01:57:10 ◼   ► myself more frustrated when

01:57:13 ◼   ► I feel like there's a particular setting

01:57:16 ◼   ► that has has been kind of wasted so if

01:57:18 ◼   ► you feel that there hasn't been or they

01:57:20 ◼   ► haven't been enough or any really good

01:57:23 ◼   ► movies really critiquing the culture of

01:57:25 ◼   ► these big mega tech companies yeah I

01:57:28 ◼   ► think this is this is a cinematic

01:57:30 ◼   ► universe that has not been portrayed in

01:57:32 ◼   ► a way that I feel like you know what

01:57:33 ◼   ► this really nails

01:57:35 ◼   ► what's so deeply weird about the

01:57:37 ◼   ► Facebook campus I feel like that is that

01:57:40 ◼   ► is a an area to be explored that has

01:57:42 ◼   ► that has not been explored properly yeah

01:57:45 ◼   ► fair enough fair enough

01:57:46 ◼   ► so you're not gonna recommend that

01:57:48 ◼   ► people watch the circle if they've made

01:57:49 ◼   ► it to the end of the part you know

01:57:50 ◼   ► whatever you do for the love of God go

01:57:53 ◼   ► and check out some objectivity get some

01:57:58 ◼   ► Keith watch some Keith what you cut the

01:58:02 ◼   ► gray videos too if you want