Hello Internet

00:00:00 ◼   ► hello hello it looks good waveform looks

00:00:02 ◼   ► good on the new posh as cushions

00:00:05 ◼   ► microphone I was not sure if you were

00:00:06 ◼   ► actually going to use that to record a

00:00:08 ◼   ► show or if it was going to remain a

00:00:10 ◼   ► trophy forever somewhere in your house I

00:00:12 ◼   ► couldn't have predicted what you were

00:00:13 ◼   ► going to do I like the idea of it taking

00:00:15 ◼   ► some beatings like while I do like

00:00:18 ◼   ► objects I also like objects that have

00:00:20 ◼   ► like been used in battle like the real

00:00:23 ◼   ► thing I prefer that to something that

00:00:24 ◼   ► just sits in a glass case mmm so once

00:00:27 ◼   ► this has got scratches on it and I've

00:00:28 ◼   ► dropped it and it's got a few dings and

00:00:30 ◼   ► dongs and things like that's just gonna

00:00:32 ◼   ► make me love it more and you know

00:00:33 ◼   ► knowing that it was used for the next

00:00:35 ◼   ► two to three hundred hello Internet

00:00:37 ◼   ► episodes you and I will be automated by

00:00:43 ◼   ► then of course hopefully oh thanks I

00:00:46 ◼   ► would like nothing more to collect the

00:00:48 ◼   ► revenues on an automated hello Internet

00:00:51 ◼   ► I'm so excited to tell you about this

00:00:53 ◼   ► that I don't know how to tell you okay

00:00:56 ◼   ► like do I stretch it out as a big long

00:00:58 ◼   ► story with the twist or do I just like

00:01:01 ◼   ► tell you the cool thing first and I

00:01:03 ◼   ► don't know how to do it I think I'm

00:01:05 ◼   ► gonna just jump right in and give you

00:01:07 ◼   ► the good stuff cuz you just have to know

00:01:08 ◼   ► it's too cool I don't know Brady isn't

00:01:10 ◼   ► it always best to start at the beginning

00:01:11 ◼   ► no not always

00:01:13 ◼   ► I'm gonna mess around with the timeline

00:01:14 ◼   ► a bit here okay I'm gonna send you a

00:01:16 ◼   ► picture okay okay in itself it's a

00:01:19 ◼   ► pretty cool picture here we go

00:01:22 ◼   ► Oh what are you saying there the scale

00:01:24 ◼   ► is a little tricky on this photograph

00:01:26 ◼   ► but it looks like I am seeing a rocket

00:01:29 ◼   ► launch at night I can't quite tell how

00:01:32 ◼   ► big this actually is but it looks like a

00:01:33 ◼   ► pretty reasonably sized Rockets

00:01:36 ◼   ► launching over the ocean or watching

00:01:38 ◼   ► over the ocean this is part of the

00:01:39 ◼   ► Roxette X project that NASA runs where

00:01:42 ◼   ► they launch these things called sounding

00:01:44 ◼   ► rockets okay which are basically

00:01:47 ◼   ► repurposed military hardware that they

00:01:49 ◼   ► can send into space on suborbital

00:01:52 ◼   ► flights as kind of a cheap way of

00:01:54 ◼   ► putting things in space and they're

00:01:55 ◼   ► often used for research or sometimes

00:01:57 ◼   ► student projects and things like that so

00:01:59 ◼   ► they'll go up and you'll get five or six

00:02:02 ◼   ► minutes of zero-g and that sort of thing

00:02:05 ◼   ► oh so there are people in there no there

00:02:06 ◼   ► aren't people in the okay no they're

00:02:08 ◼   ► nowhere near big enough for like people

00:02:09 ◼   ► but they're still pretty hefty Rockets

00:02:12 ◼   ► and they can go hundreds

00:02:13 ◼   ► miles into space so you know pretty

00:02:17 ◼   ► awesome things so interesting story as

00:02:20 ◼   ► well by the way why they're called

00:02:21 ◼   ► sounding Rockets because I thought there

00:02:23 ◼   ► must be something to do with like sonar

00:02:24 ◼   ► or something like they used to send them

00:02:26 ◼   ► up and like have them make noise to

00:02:27 ◼   ► measure things but it actually has

00:02:29 ◼   ► nothing to do with it it comes from like

00:02:30 ◼   ► the nautical term sounding which is when

00:02:33 ◼   ► they used to drop like string or ropes

00:02:35 ◼   ► with weights on them off the back of a

00:02:37 ◼   ► ship to measure how deep the water was

00:02:39 ◼   ► hmm so this is kind of like in Reverse

00:02:40 ◼   ► because they're sending these things

00:02:42 ◼   ► that really high

00:02:42 ◼   ► they're sending these sounding rockets

00:02:44 ◼   ► into space to figure out how deep space

00:02:46 ◼   ► is I don't think that's the job of this

00:02:48 ◼   ► sounding is the string at the end of the

00:02:49 ◼   ► rocket if we're going to send it as far

00:02:51 ◼   ► as we can and that's how big space is

00:02:53 ◼   ► Mikiko boy golly it's a space it's

00:02:55 ◼   ► really big there that last one we sent

00:02:59 ◼   ► we ran out of string again

00:03:01 ◼   ► so big deal and I'll actually uh

00:03:03 ◼   ► endeavor to post a video of this

00:03:05 ◼   ► particular one launching because it's

00:03:07 ◼   ► not like watching a set in five take off

00:03:10 ◼   ► to the moon where they start off really

00:03:12 ◼   ► slow rumbling from the pad these things

00:03:14 ◼   ► are like a bullet out of a gun they're

00:03:15 ◼   ► amazing

00:03:16 ◼   ► hmm I think it's something like 30

00:03:18 ◼   ► g-forces when they take off there's

00:03:21 ◼   ► nobody in that rocket it's crazy and

00:03:23 ◼   ► even when it's that sustained flight

00:03:25 ◼   ► it's about 15 J so you couldn't put

00:03:27 ◼   ► people in it and they also spin at a

00:03:29 ◼   ► crazy rate to keep them stable but then

00:03:31 ◼   ► this particular one sort of stops

00:03:34 ◼   ► spinning when it gets into space and it

00:03:35 ◼   ► stayed sort of weightless and hardly

00:03:38 ◼   ► moving at all for six minutes and then

00:03:39 ◼   ► they re spin it up and it falls back

00:03:41 ◼   ► down to earth and it lands in the ocean

00:03:45 ◼   ► in the Atlantic Ocean this thing takes

00:03:47 ◼   ► off from a place called the Wallops

00:03:50 ◼   ► Flight Facility which is an island off

00:03:52 ◼   ► Virginia hmm and then someone will fish

00:03:57 ◼   ► it out of the water and if necessary

00:03:58 ◼   ► they can get the experiment out of the

00:04:00 ◼   ► rocket if it hasn't been bits

00:04:01 ◼   ► information back hmm that's what's going

00:04:03 ◼   ► on this particular launch happened just

00:04:06 ◼   ► recently on August 13 and this thing

00:04:08 ◼   ► went up a hundred miles so it went into

00:04:10 ◼   ► space came back down fantastic these

00:04:14 ◼   ► things have you know reasonably common

00:04:16 ◼   ► launches like this but this one was a

00:04:18 ◼   ► bit special and I'll send you another

00:04:20 ◼   ► picture okay because as far as I know

00:04:24 ◼   ► this is the first time that the hello

00:04:29 ◼   ► Internet Nayland gear flag has gone into

00:04:33 ◼   ► space there was a nail and gear flag in

00:04:39 ◼   ► the nose of this rocket dick has now

00:04:43 ◼   ► been into space Wow okay so you send me

00:04:48 ◼   ► a picture of a mini flag that it looks

00:04:51 ◼   ► like somebody made about the length of a

00:04:54 ◼   ► number-two pencil this was in the nose

00:04:57 ◼   ► of the spaceship that we're talking

00:04:59 ◼   ► about here it was so if I may explain

00:05:01 ◼   ► okay yeah how did this come to pass

00:05:04 ◼   ► basically the start of Operation tetra

00:05:07 ◼   ► as I'm calling it I was contacted by a

00:05:09 ◼   ► Tim who I'm gonna give the code name

00:05:11 ◼   ► deep space contacted me and this person

00:05:17 ◼   ► was was working on the experimental

00:05:21 ◼   ► payload and it's quite common for people

00:05:24 ◼   ► working on these sort of things to put a

00:05:25 ◼   ► couple of little personal trinkets in

00:05:26 ◼   ► like everyone likes IANA if there's

00:05:28 ◼   ► something that can be signed and they

00:05:30 ◼   ► might put like an SD card with a bunch

00:05:31 ◼   ► of pictures and everyone's names on them

00:05:33 ◼   ► so they can say your name went into

00:05:35 ◼   ► space and that so deep space contacted

00:05:37 ◼   ► me and basically said there could be an

00:05:40 ◼   ► opportunity here so we decided it was

00:05:43 ◼   ► time for the hailing gear to go into

00:05:44 ◼   ► space but it had to be extremely small

00:05:47 ◼   ► we couldn't send like a full-size flag

00:05:49 ◼   ► because the amount of space and weight

00:05:50 ◼   ► you've got is like tiny yeah he

00:05:53 ◼   ► basically said I had to be small enough

00:05:54 ◼   ► that if it was all like round up it

00:05:56 ◼   ► could fit inside like a tiny little like

00:05:58 ◼   ► pill container and the amount of fuel

00:06:00 ◼   ► you need to accelerate any mass to 30

00:06:03 ◼   ► G's at a sustained level it gets

00:06:05 ◼   ► expensive fast hmm but luckily I happen

00:06:08 ◼   ► to be very good friends in Bristol here

00:06:09 ◼   ► with a very talented woman whose

00:06:11 ◼   ► business is doing tiny like intricate

00:06:14 ◼   ► stitching and needlework

00:06:16 ◼   ► so I didn't want to just send like a

00:06:18 ◼   ► paper flag or a cardboard flag into

00:06:20 ◼   ► space because I thought that would be a

00:06:21 ◼   ► bit naff I want it to be like a proper

00:06:23 ◼   ► cloth flag with you know the nailing

00:06:25 ◼   ► gear embroidered on so what you're

00:06:29 ◼   ► looking at there is not just like a

00:06:31 ◼   ► piece of paper that looks at the nailing

00:06:32 ◼   ► gear there is a proper cloth flag with

00:06:35 ◼   ► little bits of string and like all the

00:06:37 ◼   ► little things as if you were going to

00:06:38 ◼   ► so it is a proper nailing gear flag

00:06:41 ◼   ► shrunk down even the white part there is

00:06:44 ◼   ► like separate cloth stitched on so this

00:06:48 ◼   ► friend of mine made this beautiful tiny

00:06:50 ◼   ► flag yeah you sent me the world's

00:06:52 ◼   ► tiniest photograph of this tiny flag you

00:06:55 ◼   ► sent me a photograph for ants so I

00:06:58 ◼   ► couldn't quite see the detail but yes

00:06:59 ◼   ► once you start describing it I can see

00:07:00 ◼   ► that it has that additional bit of white

00:07:02 ◼   ► on it so that it can be flown on a tiny

00:07:05 ◼   ► planet that this spaceship might land on

00:07:07 ◼   ► baby I'm gonna say that that makes it a

00:07:10 ◼   ► hundred times better that it's not just

00:07:12 ◼   ► a piece of paper with the logo printed

00:07:15 ◼   ► out on it it is a hello Internet flag

00:07:17 ◼   ► shrunk down to tiny size that's way

00:07:21 ◼   ► better that's way better uh uh for the

00:07:24 ◼   ► listeners after my complaining that the

00:07:27 ◼   ► photograph Brady sent me was too small

00:07:29 ◼   ► Brady has now sent macro shots of the

00:07:32 ◼   ► detail of this flag I think these are

00:07:35 ◼   ► ten 20 megapixel photos that have come

00:07:38 ◼   ► across the old iMessage now I can see

00:07:41 ◼   ► every if i zoom into my computer I can

00:07:44 ◼   ► see every single individual lovingly

00:07:48 ◼   ► crafted stitch on this tiny hello

00:07:51 ◼   ► internet flag it's beautiful I did say

00:07:53 ◼   ► to my friend Kate because like her

00:07:55 ◼   ► business is making these tiny stitch

00:07:56 ◼   ► things like she makes like recreations

00:07:58 ◼   ► of detailed maps out of stitches hmm and

00:08:01 ◼   ► I did say to her once the Tim say this

00:08:03 ◼   ► like they're gonna get pretty excited I

00:08:05 ◼   ► did say how do you feel about making a

00:08:06 ◼   ► whole bunch of tiny you know India flags

00:08:08 ◼   ► and she sort of said she may have a

00:08:13 ◼   ► sideline anyway at the moment there's

00:08:18 ◼   ► just the one man it's been in space and

00:08:20 ◼   ► it's being sent back to me it was fished

00:08:22 ◼   ► out of the well the whole rocket was

00:08:24 ◼   ► lodged out of the Atlantic by the

00:08:25 ◼   ► fishermen oh god I didn't even occur to

00:08:27 ◼   ► me see you're gonna get this back in

00:08:28 ◼   ► your hands yes Wow it's soon to be in

00:08:32 ◼   ► the post from codenamed deep space and

00:08:35 ◼   ► I've said can you also include like an

00:08:37 ◼   ► official letter to like certify that it

00:08:39 ◼   ► went into space and all that sort of

00:08:40 ◼   ► stuff cuz you know I like all that kind

00:08:43 ◼   ► of stuff

00:08:43 ◼   ► so hello Internet flag in space it did

00:08:48 ◼   ► get a little bit wet because when the

00:08:50 ◼   ► rocket smashes into the season

00:08:52 ◼   ► can leak in so a little bit of seawater

00:08:53 ◼   ► got onto it but you know that just adds

00:08:56 ◼   ► to the awesomeness of it in my opinion

00:08:57 ◼   ► it was exposed to a bit of you know a

00:08:59 ◼   ► bit a vacuum nurse and you know it's

00:09:01 ◼   ► done the real deal man it's done the

00:09:03 ◼   ► real deal this is such an artifact of

00:09:05 ◼   ► hello Internet I know what you're

00:09:06 ◼   ► thinking I know what you're thinking

00:09:08 ◼   ► what am I thinking Brady medal of honor

00:09:10 ◼   ► well medal of honor obviously I don't

00:09:13 ◼   ► need to say that out loud I'm still

00:09:14 ◼   ► thinking about just the object itself

00:09:16 ◼   ► and oh yeah this needs to be kept in a

00:09:20 ◼   ► vacuum seal like under a glass dome

00:09:23 ◼   ► there needs to be some sort of like

00:09:26 ◼   ► monument around this hello internet

00:09:29 ◼   ► artifact this is great I really love

00:09:31 ◼   ► this like the photograph that you sent

00:09:33 ◼   ► me of this launch like it's majestic to

00:09:35 ◼   ► see photographs of humans launching

00:09:37 ◼   ► objects into space just under normal

00:09:38 ◼   ► circumstances like look at this

00:09:40 ◼   ► tremendous triumph we have as a species

00:09:42 ◼   ► but now that this photograph has taken

00:09:44 ◼   ► on almost majestic or holy proportions

00:09:47 ◼   ► in my mind I lack the words to describe

00:09:49 ◼   ► it yeah well my plan is to get that

00:09:51 ◼   ► amazing photo framed with the flag

00:09:53 ◼   ► framed mmm and have it like as a

00:09:55 ◼   ► permanent display that could possibly go

00:09:56 ◼   ► and well to us right yes yeah I was

00:09:59 ◼   ► thinking Kate who stitched her I was

00:10:01 ◼   ► thinking of having it that displayed in

00:10:03 ◼   ► her shop for a like a month or two so

00:10:05 ◼   ► she could say look I made this flag and

00:10:06 ◼   ► here is going into space cuz then like

00:10:08 ◼   ► normal people will see it and I won't

00:10:10 ◼   ► just be in my office and it feels like

00:10:11 ◼   ► it's like it's part of its well to a

00:10:13 ◼   ► stage one I could see the museums around

00:10:16 ◼   ► the world that are interested in in

00:10:17 ◼   ► hello internet as a cultural powerhouse

00:10:19 ◼   ► would want there's artifacts on loan on

00:10:22 ◼   ► display I think this quite reasonably

00:10:24 ◼   ► could go on world tours in museums

00:10:28 ◼   ► across the globe without a doubt before

00:10:29 ◼   ► going into its final resting place at

00:10:31 ◼   ► the permanent hello internet museum on

00:10:33 ◼   ► level seven of the Marty Blackstone

00:10:35 ◼   ► right of course we're all be displayed

00:10:38 ◼   ► next to the full-size hello Internet

00:10:40 ◼   ► Nayland gave flag that was flown on Air

00:10:42 ◼   ► Force One which is already framed in my

00:10:44 ◼   ► office

00:10:46 ◼   ► yes Brady's office the temporary holding

00:10:49 ◼   ► place for all of the hello internet

00:10:51 ◼   ► artifacts that will eventually be

00:10:53 ◼   ► relocated to the proper Museum do you

00:10:55 ◼   ► know what's amazing though what there

00:10:57 ◼   ► was actually a nail in gear space race

00:11:03 ◼   ► I'm gonna send you another picture I'm

00:11:07 ◼   ► not even joking here comes another

00:11:08 ◼   ► picture sent by another Tim who has been

00:11:11 ◼   ► working on the innards and circuitry for

00:11:14 ◼   ► a small satellite which is likely to be

00:11:17 ◼   ► launched possibly next year please tell

00:11:20 ◼   ► me this is a Soviet satellite it's not

00:11:22 ◼   ► severe it's not serious

00:11:23 ◼   ► oh wow this is a piece of it looks like

00:11:25 ◼   ► circuit board like printed circuit board

00:11:28 ◼   ► it's like shielding board and

00:11:30 ◼   ► silk-screened

00:11:31 ◼   ► on to it is the name of a few people of

00:11:33 ◼   ► note engine the creator and well you can

00:11:37 ◼   ► see it there gray yeah I can see that

00:11:39 ◼   ► this the nail and gear silk-screened

00:11:41 ◼   ► onto the shielding board for this

00:11:44 ◼   ► satellite it's very I like that it's

00:11:46 ◼   ► being it's being held in you know the

00:11:48 ◼   ► blue gloves for working with delicate

00:11:49 ◼   ► equipment or important equipment this is

00:11:51 ◼   ► proper cleanroom stuff you're looking at

00:11:53 ◼   ► here this is a honest-to-goodness

00:11:54 ◼   ► awesome satellite that's gonna be proper

00:11:56 ◼   ► like 600 kilometers in space for a long

00:11:59 ◼   ► time this is no joking matter

00:12:00 ◼   ► so up there as it's zooming around the

00:12:03 ◼   ► earth there will be a nail in gear

00:12:05 ◼   ► insert shielding the delicate innards of

00:12:07 ◼   ► the satellite from the harsh radiation

00:12:09 ◼   ► of space also awesome not as awesome as

00:12:12 ◼   ► an actual flag going into space but

00:12:14 ◼   ► still very very awesome do you know

00:12:16 ◼   ► what's really cool about the miniature

00:12:18 ◼   ► flag and why it means so much to me well

00:12:20 ◼   ► is because it was a really big thing in

00:12:21 ◼   ► the Apollo time to take miniature flags

00:12:24 ◼   ► like to the moon and stuff oh yeah and

00:12:26 ◼   ► you can still buy them on the

00:12:28 ◼   ► second-hand market and a miniature

00:12:29 ◼   ► American flag that went to the moon

00:12:31 ◼   ► depending on whether it went around the

00:12:33 ◼   ► moon landed on the moon went on the

00:12:35 ◼   ► surface of the Moon you're looking at

00:12:37 ◼   ► tens tens tens of thousands of dollars

00:12:40 ◼   ► at least wait can you explain that to me

00:12:42 ◼   ► are you saying that there was there was

00:12:44 ◼   ► a market for astronauts bringing flags

00:12:46 ◼   ► up on space missions and then bringing

00:12:48 ◼   ► them back Apollo astronauts ever allow

00:12:50 ◼   ► all astronauts still but it was a it was

00:12:52 ◼   ► a particularly big thing in the Apollo

00:12:53 ◼   ► time were allowed to take these personal

00:12:56 ◼   ► preference kits they're called ppk/s

00:12:58 ◼   ► in

00:12:58 ◼   ► to space and it's like you know a cloth

00:13:00 ◼   ► bag and you could put whatever you

00:13:02 ◼   ► wanted in there so they would put things

00:13:04 ◼   ► in there that would be valuable because

00:13:06 ◼   ► they went to space and if the material

00:13:08 ◼   ► stayed in the module that went around

00:13:10 ◼   ► the moon you know that's pretty valuable

00:13:12 ◼   ► if you took it with you into the lunar

00:13:14 ◼   ► landing module and it went down onto the

00:13:16 ◼   ► surface that made the item even more

00:13:18 ◼   ► valuable if it was in a pocket or

00:13:19 ◼   ► something when you walked around on the

00:13:20 ◼   ► moon well that's pretty valuable stuff

00:13:23 ◼   ► days it did start causing a few

00:13:26 ◼   ► controversies later on Apollo 15 got

00:13:28 ◼   ► themselves into a bit of controversy to

00:13:30 ◼   ► do with taking up a bunch of envelopes

00:13:33 ◼   ► and stamps and salt and stuff and the

00:13:35 ◼   ► Hulk sort of grubby market side of it

00:13:37 ◼   ► became a little bit controversial for a

00:13:40 ◼   ► while that's what I was wondering is

00:13:41 ◼   ► this like part of the unofficial

00:13:43 ◼   ► compensation package of becoming an

00:13:45 ◼   ► astronaut is a wink-wink we all know you

00:13:48 ◼   ► get to bring up some stuff that you can

00:13:50 ◼   ► sell on the grey market

00:13:51 ◼   ► it wasn't even unofficial there are

00:13:52 ◼   ► these things and you can still buy them

00:13:54 ◼   ► today there's quite a market for them I

00:13:55 ◼   ► think they're called

00:13:56 ◼   ► insurance covers and they would be like

00:13:59 ◼   ► an official envelope like with nice

00:14:01 ◼   ► printed stuff on it like a picture of

00:14:03 ◼   ► the crew commemorating the mission and

00:14:04 ◼   ► like stamps and things like that and all

00:14:08 ◼   ► the astronauts on that mission like Neil

00:14:10 ◼   ► Armstrong and Buzz Aldrin and Michael

00:14:11 ◼   ► Collins did this with each sign the

00:14:13 ◼   ► envelope mm-hmm so it had all three

00:14:15 ◼   ► members of the mission on the envelope

00:14:17 ◼   ► and they do a whole bunch of them and

00:14:18 ◼   ► then those envelopes would be split

00:14:19 ◼   ► amongst the families because then if

00:14:21 ◼   ► they then like died on the moon because

00:14:24 ◼   ► they couldn't get life insurance because

00:14:26 ◼   ► no one would insure them these things

00:14:27 ◼   ► would be so valuable they would act as

00:14:29 ◼   ► life insurance so they were actually

00:14:31 ◼   ► called insurance covers and there were

00:14:32 ◼   ► things they were sitting there signing

00:14:33 ◼   ► thinking this is gonna keep my family

00:14:36 ◼   ► fed if I die in space hmm interesting

00:14:38 ◼   ► stuff isn't it the the envelope thing

00:14:41 ◼   ► I've heard that I guess what I'm

00:14:42 ◼   ► wondering is that this policy of you can

00:14:45 ◼   ► bring up a little bag full of personal

00:14:47 ◼   ► items yeah how much was it blessed or

00:14:50 ◼   ► anticipated from NASA that you of course

00:14:52 ◼   ► are going to bring up things that you're

00:14:54 ◼   ► just going to resell versus oh you're

00:14:57 ◼   ► you're bringing up a photograph of your

00:14:59 ◼   ► wife and family you know to put on the

00:15:01 ◼   ► dashboard of the spaceship like in a

00:15:03 ◼   ► movie or whatever or leave on the moon

00:15:05 ◼   ► there was one Apollo astronaut who left

00:15:06 ◼   ► a photo of his wife and kids actually on

00:15:08 ◼   ► the surface of the Moon or to do that

00:15:10 ◼   ► like I guess that's what I'm wondering

00:15:11 ◼   ► is

00:15:12 ◼   ► I understand that they could officially

00:15:13 ◼   ► bring up objects but was it foreseen or

00:15:15 ◼   ► anticipated that this would rapidly turn

00:15:18 ◼   ► into a gray market of memorabilia I'm

00:15:21 ◼   ► pretty sure it was already a known thing

00:15:24 ◼   ► that was happening hmm like even before

00:15:26 ◼   ► Apollo the early missions it was sort of

00:15:28 ◼   ► already a thing that items flown in

00:15:30 ◼   ► space were valuable and astronauts

00:15:32 ◼   ► you know when known to be taking them up

00:15:35 ◼   ► there and like doing their own little

00:15:36 ◼   ► side deals with people to take certain

00:15:38 ◼   ► things into space it came to a head

00:15:40 ◼   ► after Apollo 15 I can't remember all the

00:15:43 ◼   ► exact details I think from memory it was

00:15:46 ◼   ► reaching a kind of more industrial scale

00:15:48 ◼   ► almost and then it kind of started

00:15:49 ◼   ► looking bad or and then they sort of

00:15:51 ◼   ► introduced some new rules but up until

00:15:53 ◼   ► then it was kind of okay NASA again I'm

00:15:57 ◼   ► just speaking from memory here but I

00:15:59 ◼   ► believe NASA didn't even look at what

00:16:01 ◼   ► was in those bags that's how personal

00:16:03 ◼   ► they were the only person who had a list

00:16:04 ◼   ► of what was in your personal preference

00:16:06 ◼   ► kit I believe was probably deke Slayton

00:16:08 ◼   ► who was the head of the astronaut office

00:16:10 ◼   ► so he had to know what was in there just

00:16:11 ◼   ► so that you weren't taking you know a

00:16:13 ◼   ► stick of dynamite up or something like

00:16:15 ◼   ► that or the or they have a they have an

00:16:17 ◼   ► inventory just in case there's an Apollo

00:16:18 ◼   ► 13 moment of oh oh somebody brought

00:16:21 ◼   ► scotch tape how incredibly convenient

00:16:22 ◼   ► assist I actually brought the correct

00:16:25 ◼   ► shaped carbon what a blessing that's

00:16:31 ◼   ► really interesting

00:16:31 ◼   ► I have one more question about this

00:16:33 ◼   ► Brady Oh Andy what go on can you explain

00:16:36 ◼   ► the name operation tetra I feel like

00:16:39 ◼   ► there's some clever meaning to this that

00:16:40 ◼   ► I as a person who lacks your

00:16:43 ◼   ► encyclopedic knowledge of outer space I

00:16:45 ◼   ► am not picking up on what is this

00:16:47 ◼   ► operation name and what does it mean

00:16:49 ◼   ► the reason is code operation tetra is

00:16:51 ◼   ► not for me to reveal that is a decision

00:16:54 ◼   ► for deep-space if we manage to reveal it

00:16:57 ◼   ► okay that's how secretive it is if

00:16:59 ◼   ► deep-space wishes to reveal why we're

00:17:01 ◼   ► calling our operation tetra that is his

00:17:03 ◼   ► prerogative okay

00:17:04 ◼   ► well we'll find out next episode if such

00:17:08 ◼   ► information is revealed or if it remains

00:17:10 ◼   ► forever a mystery I was so excited by

00:17:13 ◼   ► this but before I spoke about it on the

00:17:15 ◼   ► show today because obviously most just

00:17:17 ◼   ► had been done by email and post before I

00:17:19 ◼   ► spoke about it on the show today I

00:17:20 ◼   ► wanted to have had a voice conversation

00:17:22 ◼   ► just to find out you know you find out

00:17:23 ◼   ► so much more that way

00:17:24 ◼   ► so I had the phone call and that just

00:17:27 ◼   ► got me even more excited and I couldn't

00:17:29 ◼   ► tell you because I wanted to surprise

00:17:30 ◼   ► you on the show hmm so I immediately

00:17:32 ◼   ► phoned my wife and she's like what's

00:17:35 ◼   ► going on I'm so excited I have to tell

00:17:37 ◼   ► you what's going on in LA and she

00:17:39 ◼   ► already knew about the thing going into

00:17:41 ◼   ► space I was like I spoke I spoke to him

00:17:43 ◼   ► she said oh that's good and you know I

00:17:45 ◼   ► told her all sorts of bits and pieces

00:17:46 ◼   ► and she listened and you know what her

00:17:49 ◼   ► reaction was I'm going to guess as with

00:17:52 ◼   ► so many things with your wife and hello

00:17:54 ◼   ► Internet related her reaction was no

00:17:56 ◼   ► reaction she said don't forget to pick

00:17:59 ◼   ► up some bananas at the show oh god

00:18:06 ◼   ► that's the worst

00:18:07 ◼   ► that is so deflation arey I can

00:18:09 ◼   ► understand that feeling I have been on

00:18:11 ◼   ► the unintentional receiving end of those

00:18:13 ◼   ► kind of remarks to where you're telling

00:18:14 ◼   ► someone something that you think is so

00:18:16 ◼   ► amazing and that other person is like oh

00:18:18 ◼   ► that's great that's great we need milk

00:18:20 ◼   ► as well if you happen to be going out

00:18:21 ◼   ► like before that she did ask me one

00:18:25 ◼   ► question and that kind of shot me down

00:18:27 ◼   ► as well because I said oh the flow I

00:18:29 ◼   ► went into space I went into space and

00:18:31 ◼   ► she went we're in space did it go mm-hmm

00:18:33 ◼   ► and then I went oh well it like it went

00:18:36 ◼   ► up like high for six minutes and then it

00:18:38 ◼   ► fell back down into the sea okay she was

00:18:41 ◼   ► looking for a planet name actually two

00:18:48 ◼   ► and a half years ago on day one of the

00:18:50 ◼   ► podcast we launched a probe headed out

00:18:53 ◼   ► towards Pluto and it's just come back

00:18:56 ◼   ► anyway I did pick up the bananas we get

00:18:59 ◼   ► the important things done here speaking

00:19:01 ◼   ► of space gray Elon Musk apparently has

00:19:04 ◼   ► released the picture of what the

00:19:07 ◼   ► spacesuit is gonna look like that is

00:19:10 ◼   ► gonna be worn by his SpaceX crew when

00:19:14 ◼   ► they like go to space I mean I don't

00:19:18 ◼   ► know why there's crew on his dragon

00:19:20 ◼   ► cargo capsule spurt

00:19:22 ◼   ► okay I have a question Brady okay all

00:19:23 ◼   ► right there's a good chance I won't have

00:19:24 ◼   ► the answer well okay my question is

00:19:27 ◼   ► actually partly about that because I

00:19:29 ◼   ► feel like maybe I'm wrong about this but

00:19:31 ◼   ► it feel like you're a real NASA man am I

00:19:35 ◼   ► right about that like yeah a couple of

00:19:37 ◼   ► episodes ago

00:19:38 ◼   ► there was something about cars in

00:19:40 ◼   ► Australia and it was like Oh everybody

00:19:42 ◼   ► in Australia it's wibbly-wobbly versus

00:19:44 ◼   ► zingers like and I'm a wibbly-wobbly man

00:19:46 ◼   ► like people pick sides in nineteen oh

00:19:49 ◼   ► you're talking about now Holden Holden

00:19:50 ◼   ► yeah yeah I got it all right I may be

00:19:54 ◼   ► wrong but I'm realizing when you send me

00:19:56 ◼   ► this story about SpaceX that I feel like

00:19:59 ◼   ► you're a NASA man in your bones and I

00:20:03 ◼   ► would wonder first is that correct and

00:20:06 ◼   ► if it is correct

00:20:07 ◼   ► how much do you follow news about SpaceX

00:20:10 ◼   ► I love NASA because you know I've got

00:20:13 ◼   ► the runs on the board haven't they they

00:20:14 ◼   ► put people on the moon they were the

00:20:17 ◼   ► ground breakers and when they were doing

00:20:18 ◼   ► space stuff at its best it was all about

00:20:20 ◼   ► just what can we do what can we do just

00:20:23 ◼   ► for the sake of doing not what's gonna

00:20:25 ◼   ► make us money not how much money are we

00:20:27 ◼   ► gonna get by landing on the moon or

00:20:29 ◼   ► putting people in space or taking a

00:20:31 ◼   ► photo of the moons of Saturn it was just

00:20:34 ◼   ► what can we do and let's do it and I

00:20:36 ◼   ► love them for that times have changed

00:20:37 ◼   ► and at times have even changed at NASA

00:20:39 ◼   ► in my opinion and so when I look at

00:20:42 ◼   ► things like SpaceX

00:20:43 ◼   ► while they're doing impressive difficult

00:20:46 ◼   ► things mm-hmm

00:20:47 ◼   ► a lot of it is kind of what can we do

00:20:50 ◼   ► that's already been done but cheaper

00:20:53 ◼   ► what can we do that's already been done

00:20:55 ◼   ► but earn money from it right and like

00:20:57 ◼   ► that's important and like I know it's

00:20:59 ◼   ► important to make space stuff cheaper

00:21:02 ◼   ► because that's what's gonna make it you

00:21:04 ◼   ► know more useful to us as humans but

00:21:07 ◼   ► that just doesn't inspire me I'm not

00:21:09 ◼   ► inspired by economics like when they

00:21:11 ◼   ► keep landing these reusable rockets and

00:21:14 ◼   ► everyone's like this is a great

00:21:16 ◼   ► milestone for space like it's not a

00:21:20 ◼   ► great milestone it just means it's gonna

00:21:21 ◼   ► make rocket use cheaper mm-hmm and

00:21:24 ◼   ► that's to me that's not a milestone

00:21:25 ◼   ► that's just like economies and like

00:21:28 ◼   ► don't get me wrong it does look pretty

00:21:29 ◼   ► impressive when those things land

00:21:30 ◼   ► because there just is such a bizarre

00:21:31 ◼   ► looking thing to see something land

00:21:33 ◼   ► backwards like that mm-hmm so I am

00:21:35 ◼   ► impressed by the visuals of it but I

00:21:37 ◼   ► don't think all these milestones of

00:21:39 ◼   ► making things cheaper are like inspiring

00:21:42 ◼   ► me I think they're good and I'm glad

00:21:43 ◼   ► people are doing them and I'm glad

00:21:45 ◼   ► they're a businessman who care about

00:21:46 ◼   ► these things because it's important to

00:21:48 ◼   ► push it all forward so I'm not going to

00:21:49 ◼   ► poopoo them but I'm also not gonna

00:21:52 ◼   ► get stars in my eyes and think how

00:21:54 ◼   ► wonderful this is I just think it's just

00:21:56 ◼   ► the corporatization and the businesses

00:21:59 ◼   ► ation of space which was inevitable and

00:22:02 ◼   ► fine

00:22:03 ◼   ► but it just doesn't stir me you like

00:22:06 ◼   ► space before it was all corporate yeah

00:22:08 ◼   ► you've summed it up there yeah it's

00:22:10 ◼   ► interesting because I am very aware that

00:22:13 ◼   ► of all of the companies that are in the

00:22:17 ◼   ► musk orbit the only one that I actually

00:22:19 ◼   ► really follow with any detail is Tesla

00:22:23 ◼   ► and I haven't followed any of the news

00:22:25 ◼   ► out of SpaceX it just doesn't hold my

00:22:27 ◼   ► mind even though I completely agree with

00:22:30 ◼   ► with your comments but like the

00:22:31 ◼   ► economics of it are important for the

00:22:34 ◼   ► future of space travel it's just that I

00:22:36 ◼   ► don't follow it I actually haven't even

00:22:38 ◼   ► seen one of those videos yet of the

00:22:40 ◼   ► Rockets landing backwards like I've I've

00:22:42 ◼   ► seen still photographs but I've never

00:22:44 ◼   ► actually seen the video itself it's

00:22:46 ◼   ► quite a sight it's quite a funny size

00:22:48 ◼   ► it's worth a look yeah but I just think

00:22:50 ◼   ► is interesting is I do know people who

00:22:51 ◼   ► are into space and it's like for some

00:22:53 ◼   ► people like while you are a NASA man

00:22:56 ◼   ► some people are all in on SpaceX like

00:22:59 ◼   ► they're super interested in SpaceX and

00:23:01 ◼   ► not very interested in the stuff that

00:23:04 ◼   ► came before space yeah there are two

00:23:06 ◼   ► types of SpaceX fans there are the ones

00:23:08 ◼   ► you just described who we'd like just

00:23:09 ◼   ► love that it's becoming business and

00:23:11 ◼   ► private mhm and they're also like the

00:23:14 ◼   ► cheerleaders who just like anything

00:23:16 ◼   ► space is good hey if it's space it's

00:23:18 ◼   ► good and they get all excited and you

00:23:20 ◼   ► know my feeling on this face - your

00:23:21 ◼   ► pressure that's how you feel about it

00:23:22 ◼   ► space - you pressure you mustn't say

00:23:25 ◼   ► anything bad about SpaceX because

00:23:26 ◼   ► they're like pushing space forward and

00:23:28 ◼   ► like you know they're not question that

00:23:31 ◼   ► anyway I think it's an interesting thing

00:23:33 ◼   ► because I vaguely know when SpaceX stuff

00:23:35 ◼   ► is going on because I see people

00:23:36 ◼   ► tweeting at me about the news and asking

00:23:39 ◼   ► what I think about it I'm just always

00:23:41 ◼   ► the way that I just don't follow it it

00:23:43 ◼   ► doesn't pull my attention toward it

00:23:47 ◼   ► maybe I think you've solidified

00:23:50 ◼   ► something in my mind that it's it's like

00:23:51 ◼   ► the NASA stuff is interesting because it

00:23:53 ◼   ► was first and as I think I've said

00:23:56 ◼   ► before in the podcast I view a lot of

00:23:57 ◼   ► the NASA stuff as particularly

00:23:58 ◼   ► interesting the whole space race time

00:24:00 ◼   ► was particularly interesting because it

00:24:02 ◼   ► may be one of the only times in human

00:24:04 ◼   ► history where there there

00:24:05 ◼   ► like technological happenings that were

00:24:07 ◼   ► off the timeline I feel like the

00:24:09 ◼   ► progress of technology is is very

00:24:11 ◼   ► ordered and one thing very naturally

00:24:13 ◼   ► comes after the next but that maybe we

00:24:15 ◼   ► had this moment where there was a like a

00:24:16 ◼   ► push that was ahead of its time

00:24:19 ◼   ► which is then why we didn't have much

00:24:20 ◼   ► progress for a long time but that makes

00:24:22 ◼   ► it super interesting that there were

00:24:23 ◼   ► other things happening in the world that

00:24:26 ◼   ► forced this early expansion of a thing

00:24:28 ◼   ► that really shouldn't have happened for

00:24:30 ◼   ► another 60 years so like that is very

00:24:32 ◼   ► interesting but I think you're right

00:24:34 ◼   ► maybe a lot of the stuff right now it

00:24:36 ◼   ► doesn't capture my attention because it

00:24:38 ◼   ► is mostly about dropping the costs to

00:24:41 ◼   ► the point at which it's economical to do

00:24:43 ◼   ► and then maybe my interest will uptick

00:24:45 ◼   ► once it gets out of the we're dropping

00:24:47 ◼   ► the cost phase and it's like okay I

00:24:49 ◼   ► think I'll be excited once we start

00:24:52 ◼   ► actually moving cargo in and out of

00:24:54 ◼   ► space or like when we actually start

00:24:56 ◼   ► mining asteroids like Jeff Bezos his

00:24:59 ◼   ► rifle company is trying to do like I

00:25:01 ◼   ► think that's maybe where I'll be

00:25:02 ◼   ► interested again but I still feel like

00:25:04 ◼   ► I'm at a real lull for interest in

00:25:07 ◼   ► what's going on in space like we're

00:25:09 ◼   ► going through a necessary process but

00:25:11 ◼   ► it's not exciting to me yet until we

00:25:14 ◼   ► start doing like new things again yeah I

00:25:17 ◼   ► think I get a little bit demotivated

00:25:19 ◼   ► when I think people are doing things

00:25:21 ◼   ► just for the money and I feel like it's

00:25:25 ◼   ► an inevitable consequence of private

00:25:28 ◼   ► funded space travel and exploration that

00:25:31 ◼   ► it has to be done for the money

00:25:32 ◼   ► otherwise it won't happen so I'm not

00:25:34 ◼   ► saying like Elon Musk only cares about

00:25:35 ◼   ► money right but I am saying they are

00:25:38 ◼   ► making sure everything they do will make

00:25:39 ◼   ► money and that's when it becomes a bit

00:25:42 ◼   ► demotivating even when they start you

00:25:44 ◼   ► know doing lots more cargo or when they

00:25:46 ◼   ► start mining stuff I don't care about

00:25:48 ◼   ► the mining asteroids because it's

00:25:50 ◼   ► profitable I'm really curious to see

00:25:52 ◼   ► what it's like on an asteroid mm-hmm

00:25:54 ◼   ► like that's gonna be cool but when it's

00:25:57 ◼   ► about money I straightaway go I love

00:26:01 ◼   ► when things are being done just for the

00:26:02 ◼   ► accomplishment for the glory of it glory

00:26:05 ◼   ► I care you glory too I understand that

00:26:07 ◼   ► feeling I think that my feeling is a

00:26:08 ◼   ► little bit different in that I think

00:26:10 ◼   ► with stuff like this in my mind when I

00:26:12 ◼   ► think about mining asteroids I think

00:26:15 ◼   ► it's not like wow Bezos or musk are

00:26:17 ◼   ► gonna make a fortune on the

00:26:19 ◼   ► asteroids right isn't that exciting I

00:26:20 ◼   ► think I'm much more interested because

00:26:22 ◼   ► it's like the money is an indication

00:26:25 ◼   ► that something is useful now it's not

00:26:29 ◼   ► just a stunt it means like if a thing

00:26:31 ◼   ► can be done for profit it means there is

00:26:34 ◼   ► some intrinsic utility in the thing for

00:26:38 ◼   ► someone somewhere like that's where it

00:26:41 ◼   ► starts becoming interesting again like

00:26:42 ◼   ► like once the economics of asteroid

00:26:45 ◼   ► mining become viable it means that

00:26:48 ◼   ► whatever it is that's happening is

00:26:50 ◼   ► useful and relevant to people in some

00:26:52 ◼   ► way but it feels like we're not there

00:26:55 ◼   ► yet and who knows how long it will take

00:26:57 ◼   ► to actually get there this this is also

00:26:59 ◼   ► the kind of thing I feel like I have no

00:27:00 ◼   ► idea or mental estimate of like what is

00:27:03 ◼   ► the timeline of how long is it going to

00:27:05 ◼   ► take before the very first roll of

00:27:08 ◼   ► copper is ever pulled in from from an

00:27:10 ◼   ► asteroid like I have no idea is that ten

00:27:12 ◼   ► years is it 50 years is it a hundred

00:27:15 ◼   ► years away like I don't have any concept

00:27:16 ◼   ► of what people are thinking about in

00:27:18 ◼   ► that domain I get a and I get why that

00:27:20 ◼   ► is of interest to you and it certainly

00:27:22 ◼   ► is important to lots of people and it's

00:27:25 ◼   ► inevitable that that's the way things

00:27:26 ◼   ► would end up but I feel sad that that is

00:27:29 ◼   ► actually become so important to everyone

00:27:32 ◼   ► like that's what's reigned in NASA isn't

00:27:34 ◼   ► it means that saying you know how is

00:27:37 ◼   ► what you're doing actually useful to

00:27:38 ◼   ► humans not another space probe into the

00:27:41 ◼   ► outer solar system like do something

00:27:43 ◼   ► useful there's this that all this

00:27:44 ◼   ► pressure to do something useful

00:27:46 ◼   ► there was nothing useful about going to

00:27:48 ◼   ► the moon oh there was something useful

00:27:50 ◼   ► it was proven those Russkies that we

00:27:52 ◼   ► were better I'm gonna directly argue

00:27:54 ◼   ► that that was actually tremendously

00:27:55 ◼   ► useful and that's why it was a bit of a

00:27:57 ◼   ► like an artificial technological leap we

00:27:59 ◼   ► gotta prove to somebody that we're way

00:28:01 ◼   ► better than them like watch out Russians

00:28:03 ◼   ► America rules yep but America didn't

00:28:05 ◼   ► prove its might by finding a cheaper way

00:28:10 ◼   ► to refine copper ore didn't move its

00:28:12 ◼   ► might by increasing its gross domestic

00:28:15 ◼   ► product by fifteen percent and used that

00:28:17 ◼   ► as a way of saying see Russia we are

00:28:19 ◼   ► mighty what they did was something

00:28:21 ◼   ► audacious with no seeming economic value

00:28:26 ◼   ► so even though there was the political

00:28:27 ◼   ► utility of it at the time the thing they

00:28:30 ◼   ► realized they had to do

00:28:31 ◼   ► - really well the world and prove their

00:28:35 ◼   ► amazingness wasn't economic news outside

00:28:38 ◼   ► that anyway

00:28:41 ◼   ► Elon Musk has released this image of

00:28:43 ◼   ► their space suit I was just curious what

00:28:46 ◼   ► you thought of it I thought like it's

00:28:48 ◼   ► obviously a very glossy PR picture

00:28:50 ◼   ► mm-hmm designed to impress but it's the

00:28:52 ◼   ► first look at a private space suit I

00:28:54 ◼   ► wonder what you thought of it I think it

00:28:56 ◼   ► looks sleek it looks very 2001 there

00:28:59 ◼   ► isn't much to comment on it except there

00:29:01 ◼   ► is something that endlessly tickles me

00:29:02 ◼   ► about the Guardian has an article in

00:29:05 ◼   ► which they referenced that quote chief

00:29:08 ◼   ► executive Elon Musk revealed the suit on

00:29:10 ◼   ► Instagram on Wednesday right like

00:29:13 ◼   ► there's something about that that I just

00:29:14 ◼   ► I find really funny that we live in this

00:29:17 ◼   ► world where the CEOs of major companies

00:29:20 ◼   ► or even big notable politicians like

00:29:23 ◼   ► they announced stuff on like Twitter and

00:29:24 ◼   ► Instagram and I just wait for the day

00:29:27 ◼   ► when someone really important announces

00:29:29 ◼   ► the thing on reddit and then newspapers

00:29:31 ◼   ► have to reveal that cyber monkey 47

00:29:34 ◼   ► revealed his future plans about this you

00:29:37 ◼   ► know enormous company that he runs on

00:29:39 ◼   ► his reddit I guess it is only a matter

00:29:41 ◼   ► of time before some kid who's had a

00:29:45 ◼   ► social media account forever with the

00:29:47 ◼   ► dumb name who just wants to keep keeping

00:29:49 ◼   ► it becomes a CEO of an important company

00:29:51 ◼   ► and then all of his announcements are on

00:29:54 ◼   ► this social media with this with his old

00:29:56 ◼   ► handle right that he made up when he was

00:29:57 ◼   ► 13 like I just it tickles me to think

00:29:59 ◼   ► that that's going to happen eventually

00:30:00 ◼   ► or like I look forward to like a

00:30:02 ◼   ► president declaring war on snapchat the

00:30:09 ◼   ► snaps not there anymore

00:30:10 ◼   ► I'd say chaos gray grabbed it this

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00:32:41 ◼   ► well yes significant piece of space news

00:32:45 ◼   ► yeah where am i Brady right now I

00:32:47 ◼   ► actually don't know where you are I'm

00:32:49 ◼   ► assuming you're in England but seriously

00:32:51 ◼   ► you never tell me I actually at one

00:32:53 ◼   ► point thought you'd gone to America for

00:32:55 ◼   ► the Eclipse and hadn't told me

00:32:57 ◼   ► maybe I have no a student know that you

00:33:00 ◼   ► didn't it is actually true that I have

00:33:03 ◼   ► occasionally recorded the podcast from

00:33:05 ◼   ► another location and it just has to come

00:33:06 ◼   ► up in the space of recording but now for

00:33:09 ◼   ► this recording I'm sure to the

00:33:10 ◼   ► disappointment of hundreds of thousands

00:33:13 ◼   ► of Tim's we are not in America recording

00:33:16 ◼   ► while the Eclipse is occurring on a

00:33:19 ◼   ► podcast many many moons ago Oh clever it

00:33:23 ◼   ► was speculated whether or not we were

00:33:25 ◼   ► going to be in America for the Eclipse

00:33:27 ◼   ► whether or not the podcast was going to

00:33:29 ◼   ► still be in existence at the time that

00:33:31 ◼   ► the Eclipse occurred and the podcasts

00:33:34 ◼   ► still exists but we did not make it to

00:33:37 ◼   ► America at this summer sorry everybody

00:33:39 ◼   ► for two minutes I was jealous of all my

00:33:42 ◼   ► American friends but for the 48 hours

00:33:45 ◼   ► either side of those two minutes I was

00:33:47 ◼   ► feeling very very happy to not be in

00:33:49 ◼   ► airports and on planes yeah I think that

00:33:51 ◼   ► is definitely the case where both of us

00:33:53 ◼   ► we've ended up with a summer with lots

00:33:54 ◼   ► of travel and it was just it was very

00:33:56 ◼   ► difficult to try to coordinate

00:33:58 ◼   ► I had the longest traveling I ever had

00:34:00 ◼   ► this summer which was then followed by a

00:34:03 ◼   ► very short break being back in England

00:34:04 ◼   ► and then a big anniversary trip and it's

00:34:08 ◼   ► just like the summer was just a big big

00:34:10 ◼   ► traveling summer and it just really

00:34:12 ◼   ► wasn't it wasn't going to work out going

00:34:14 ◼   ► to America so I have said before saying

00:34:17 ◼   ► a total solar eclipse is an amazing

00:34:20 ◼   ► thing I did see one in China and it

00:34:22 ◼   ► remains one of the most extraordinary

00:34:24 ◼   ► things I've seen so I think everyone who

00:34:27 ◼   ► was lucky enough to see in the United

00:34:28 ◼   ► States is very fortunate and I hope they

00:34:31 ◼   ► enjoyed it but the cheer pressure got a

00:34:37 ◼   ► little bit crazy at some points on

00:34:39 ◼   ► Twitter and like I braved it

00:34:41 ◼   ► occasionally with a little bit of

00:34:43 ◼   ► mocking the America centric nosov it

00:34:47 ◼   ► took even my breath away like someone

00:34:51 ◼   ► needs to get over there and tell

00:34:52 ◼   ► Americans that eclipses like happen

00:34:53 ◼   ► elsewhere like seriously it was crazy

00:34:56 ◼   ► that how America centric it was but ok

00:34:58 ◼   ► ok my fault for following so many

00:35:01 ◼   ► Americans on Twitter but CNN did my head

00:35:04 ◼   ► in most of all constantly referring to

00:35:07 ◼   ► this as the eclipse of the century by

00:35:10 ◼   ► what cried

00:35:10 ◼   ► area this is the eclipse of the century

00:35:13 ◼   ► I have not been able to establish I

00:35:15 ◼   ► can't even make one up is it the only

00:35:17 ◼   ► Eclipse this century Brady no is it the

00:35:20 ◼   ► only eclipse in America this century no

00:35:23 ◼   ► okay is it the biggest eclipse no is

00:35:27 ◼   ► it's not the longest of the personal

00:35:29 ◼   ► wall is the glyph it's not the smallest

00:35:31 ◼   ► it's nothing I couldn't find a single

00:35:33 ◼   ► criteria by which this was the eclipse

00:35:36 ◼   ► of the century other than it was

00:35:38 ◼   ► happening right now in America is that

00:35:39 ◼   ► the eclipse of the century that has been

00:35:41 ◼   ► most often referred to as the eclipse of

00:35:43 ◼   ► the century perhaps that is the metric

00:35:45 ◼   ► by which they are measuring and it will

00:35:47 ◼   ► remain so until the next solar eclipse

00:35:49 ◼   ► in the United States but there are some

00:35:51 ◼   ► people saying oh there's some

00:35:52 ◼   ► coast-to-coast criteria but eclipses

00:35:55 ◼   ► have gone across like other countries

00:35:57 ◼   ► like if you are not being America

00:36:00 ◼   ► centric there is no way you could call

00:36:02 ◼   ► it the eclipse of the century

00:36:03 ◼   ► and even if you are being America

00:36:05 ◼   ► centric they have a better Eclipse this

00:36:07 ◼   ► century admittedly not for a long time

00:36:10 ◼   ► when is the better Eclipse oh it's like

00:36:11 ◼   ► right at the end of the century okay

00:36:13 ◼   ► well promise right now if the podcast is

00:36:16 ◼   ► still running it will be there for the

00:36:20 ◼   ► second Eclipse of the century we missed

00:36:21 ◼   ► the first one but we'll catch the second

00:36:23 ◼   ► one in America I started looking up

00:36:25 ◼   ► other eclipses to find out what really

00:36:27 ◼   ► is the eclipse of the century I decided

00:36:28 ◼   ► I wanted to figure out what would be the

00:36:30 ◼   ► eclipse of the century I didn't really

00:36:32 ◼   ► decide on one there was a quite a good

00:36:34 ◼   ► one in Antarctica that goes the opposite

00:36:36 ◼   ► way to normal but what I then started

00:36:38 ◼   ► looking at was what I just the best

00:36:40 ◼   ► eclipses full-stop

00:36:41 ◼   ► and there's actually a Wikipedia page

00:36:43 ◼   ► you can go to because you know how they

00:36:45 ◼   ► know every Eclipse forever so they know

00:36:48 ◼   ► when they're gonna happen in that and

00:36:49 ◼   ► you can look up all these amazing things

00:36:50 ◼   ► like eclipses that coincide with

00:36:53 ◼   ► transits of Venus and things like that

00:36:56 ◼   ► like all these amazing alignments that

00:36:58 ◼   ► happen in space and there was one I

00:37:00 ◼   ► think in like 20,000 years or something

00:37:02 ◼   ► where a total solar eclipse coincides

00:37:05 ◼   ► with a transit of Venus and things like

00:37:07 ◼   ► that so I was reading about that stuff

00:37:09 ◼   ► right and that stuff is so far in the

00:37:12 ◼   ► future it starts to make you feel a

00:37:14 ◼   ► little bit insignificant

00:37:19 ◼   ► and then I saw an image taken from space

00:37:23 ◼   ► of the Eclipse that just happened and it

00:37:25 ◼   ► was like a time-lapse showing the moon's

00:37:28 ◼   ► shadow sweep across the earth and when

00:37:31 ◼   ► you saw it in time-lapse and you

00:37:33 ◼   ► realized all that eclipses is like a

00:37:36 ◼   ► shadow fleetingly crossing another

00:37:39 ◼   ► object part of me looked at that imagery

00:37:42 ◼   ► and thought that's amazing like that's

00:37:43 ◼   ► really amazing to see it's amazing that

00:37:45 ◼   ► we can do that that we can look at the

00:37:47 ◼   ► moon shadow from space aren't we amazing

00:37:48 ◼   ► but another part of me thought like that

00:37:52 ◼   ► was just a shadow briefly touching

00:37:55 ◼   ► another object in space it happens all

00:37:58 ◼   ► the time

00:37:59 ◼   ► it will happen for hundreds of thousands

00:38:02 ◼   ► of more years it happens all across the

00:38:04 ◼   ► universe all the time

00:38:05 ◼   ► and yet we humans down here are getting

00:38:08 ◼   ► so excited and calling it the eclipse of

00:38:10 ◼   ► the century and like our planets

00:38:11 ◼   ► grinding to a halt so we can watch it

00:38:13 ◼   ► and it made me suddenly think that

00:38:15 ◼   ► humans like really fleeting and pathetic

00:38:19 ◼   ► few things first I need you to send me

00:38:21 ◼   ► the link to this list of eclipses

00:38:23 ◼   ► because I can I searched for Wikipedia

00:38:26 ◼   ► eclipse the top result was Twilight Saga

00:38:29 ◼   ► : Eclipse so I am NOT able to find this

00:38:32 ◼   ► list that you're talking about put list

00:38:35 ◼   ► of future astronomical events okay this

00:38:37 ◼   ► is Wikipedia article is very interesting

00:38:39 ◼   ► but it is not what I think we're really

00:38:40 ◼   ► looking for here list of future

00:38:42 ◼   ► astronomical events yeah and if you

00:38:44 ◼   ► scroll down to things that are happening

00:38:46 ◼   ► like you know in the year 20,000 346

00:38:50 ◼   ► turbine becomes the North Star and

00:38:52 ◼   ► things like that okay right so I'm

00:38:54 ◼   ► looking at list of future astronomical

00:38:56 ◼   ► events I enjoy this breakdown we have

00:38:58 ◼   ► the 21st century including things like

00:39:01 ◼   ► Halley's comet reaches perihelion as it

00:39:04 ◼   ► returns to the inner solar system

00:39:05 ◼   ► there's Venus occults Jupiter I don't

00:39:08 ◼   ► actually know what the word cult's means

00:39:11 ◼   ► in this context it's kind of like an

00:39:13 ◼   ► eclipse but the other way it's like two

00:39:15 ◼   ► things crossing over each other in the

00:39:16 ◼   ► night sky okay so what was that one

00:39:18 ◼   ► Venus occult Venus is called Jupiter so

00:39:20 ◼   ► that would look like Venus was crossing

00:39:22 ◼   ► in front of Jupiter from our perspective

00:39:25 ◼   ► okay so there's a few things that are

00:39:27 ◼   ► listed here in the 21st century the next

00:39:29 ◼   ► category is 22nd to 30th century no

00:39:33 ◼   ► the near Star Trek future I imagine they

00:39:36 ◼   ► then goes to the 4th to 10th millennium

00:39:39 ◼   ► but I really enjoy that after the 10th

00:39:42 ◼   ► of millennium they simply call it the

00:39:44 ◼   ► far future right I feel like 4th to 10th

00:39:47 ◼   ► millennium I think you can categorize it

00:39:50 ◼   ► as the far future I like that they like

00:39:52 ◼   ► Nana now after 10th millennium far

00:39:54 ◼   ► future is what we need to talk about

00:39:56 ◼   ► some of these are awesome that and it

00:39:58 ◼   ► makes me sad that I won't be here like

00:40:00 ◼   ► in the year 38,000 172 if you're on the

00:40:04 ◼   ► surface of Neptune

00:40:05 ◼   ► you can watch Uranus transit across the

00:40:09 ◼   ► front of the Sun the rarest of all

00:40:10 ◼   ► planetary transits Oh wouldn't that be

00:40:13 ◼   ► amazing or if you were around here on

00:40:15 ◼   ► earth in the year 67,000 173 Mercury and

00:40:19 ◼   ► Venus crossed the ecliptic at the same

00:40:21 ◼   ► time but then a mere two thousand years

00:40:24 ◼   ► later you can watch something I would

00:40:25 ◼   ► love to see a simultaneous transit of

00:40:28 ◼   ► Venus and Mercury both crossing the

00:40:30 ◼   ► Sun's face at the same time personally I

00:40:33 ◼   ► like Wikipedia for some of its its

00:40:34 ◼   ► little human elements here that in the

00:40:37 ◼   ► year 4000 772 on October 13th the Mayan

00:40:41 ◼   ► calendar will require a sixth digit I

00:40:44 ◼   ► like to imagine that on October 12 of

00:40:47 ◼   ► that year there are once again people

00:40:49 ◼   ► freaking out about the inevitable end of

00:40:51 ◼   ► the earth at that point like oh the

00:40:54 ◼   ► Mayan calendar hopefully has five digits

00:40:57 ◼   ► that's referred to as the Mayan bug I

00:41:00 ◼   ► really like the idea of that that people

00:41:03 ◼   ► will just have totally forgotten all of

00:41:04 ◼   ► the history up until now that go now

00:41:05 ◼   ► Mayan calendar again it's coming up to

00:41:07 ◼   ► another digit the minds didn't see this

00:41:09 ◼   ► far in advance and in America it would

00:41:11 ◼   ► still be eclipses of the century that

00:41:13 ◼   ► time there's an eclipse that's going to

00:41:15 ◼   ► happen here it's it's an interesting

00:41:17 ◼   ► list yes you these things I enjoy the

00:41:19 ◼   ► idea of physicists calculating and

00:41:21 ◼   ► finding these things are simulating

00:41:23 ◼   ► these things on a computer however it is

00:41:24 ◼   ► they they come across these events this

00:41:26 ◼   ► is also for me as a former physics major

00:41:29 ◼   ► it's the pleasing nature of being able

00:41:32 ◼   ► to do calculations that are so many

00:41:34 ◼   ► times in physics you're doing a

00:41:35 ◼   ► calculation and say these things like oh

00:41:37 ◼   ► well we're just gonna have to ignore

00:41:38 ◼   ► friction and air resistance for this

00:41:41 ◼   ► physics problem but when you're dealing

00:41:43 ◼   ► with very massive bodies in space

00:41:47 ◼   ► in the vacuum of space you can say yeah

00:41:49 ◼   ► we can actually calculate what's going

00:41:52 ◼   ► to happen in the year 7,000 right

00:41:54 ◼   ► because we can't ignore friction because

00:41:55 ◼   ► there isn't any friction like it's

00:41:57 ◼   ► trivial in this case so I love the idea

00:41:59 ◼   ► that you can just calculate that stuff

00:42:00 ◼   ► so far out in advance apparently there

00:42:02 ◼   ► is a point though where even like solar

00:42:04 ◼   ► system predictions become chaotic there

00:42:06 ◼   ► has to be because you have to flag solar

00:42:08 ◼   ► wind and the vacuum of space is not a

00:42:10 ◼   ► pure vacuum there has to be some point

00:42:13 ◼   ► at which that is but like how close is

00:42:14 ◼   ► that to the actual heat death of the

00:42:16 ◼   ► universe I would love to know somebody

00:42:17 ◼   ► knows yeah like where does it start

00:42:19 ◼   ► becoming chaotic in those predictions

00:42:22 ◼   ► long after you and I are in the ground

00:42:25 ◼   ► that's for sure but all of this all of

00:42:28 ◼   ► this aside the thing I kept thinking

00:42:29 ◼   ► about with this eclipse coming up in

00:42:31 ◼   ► America and of course as having made

00:42:34 ◼   ► reference to eight years ago I feel like

00:42:36 ◼   ► someone has been turning up the volume

00:42:38 ◼   ► in the background of my life for the

00:42:40 ◼   ► past three months about how often I hear

00:42:42 ◼   ► about this eclipse like on Twitter and

00:42:44 ◼   ► references to the rest of it and as it

00:42:47 ◼   ► kept getting closer and as I was

00:42:48 ◼   ► thinking more and more about eclipses

00:42:49 ◼   ► and seeing what equipment you need to

00:42:54 ◼   ► view the Eclipse and where you need to

00:42:55 ◼   ► be I have to say I feel like this this

00:42:57 ◼   ► took all of the shine off of eclipses in

00:43:01 ◼   ► my mind because like you when you were

00:43:04 ◼   ► talking about oh it's a shadow crossing

00:43:06 ◼   ► in front of an object I feel like I have

00:43:07 ◼   ► crossed some kind of mental barrier

00:43:09 ◼   ► where I don't even understand why this

00:43:12 ◼   ► is anything other than just a thing of

00:43:16 ◼   ► mild interests I don't know I feel like

00:43:18 ◼   ► I can't understand anymore how it is

00:43:20 ◼   ► that people are interpreting me eclipse

00:43:22 ◼   ► it's like okay so your subjective

00:43:23 ◼   ► experience is you're outside it goes

00:43:26 ◼   ► dark for a few moments and then it's

00:43:28 ◼   ► light again in the middle of the day

00:43:29 ◼   ► that's not what the Eclipse experience

00:43:32 ◼   ► is though like that's that's not what

00:43:33 ◼   ► happens okay why is it so breathtaking

00:43:36 ◼   ► it is a very beautiful thing it's rare

00:43:39 ◼   ► right let's ignore like the historical

00:43:42 ◼   ► significance of the human-like

00:43:44 ◼   ► relationship with eclipses because you

00:43:46 ◼   ► can easily dismiss that as old

00:43:48 ◼   ► superstition right so let's just talk

00:43:50 ◼   ► about that as just a thing of beauty it

00:43:52 ◼   ► is a very beautiful thing okay it's also

00:43:55 ◼   ► like just something so far from what

00:43:57 ◼   ► you're used to seeing like watching the

00:43:59 ◼   ► Sun which you've seen like

00:44:01 ◼   ► every day of your life in the sky

00:44:02 ◼   ► suddenly being like eaten away like

00:44:05 ◼   ► pac-man is like it's just very strange

00:44:08 ◼   ► to look up and think that's like a

00:44:10 ◼   ► really strange thing to see

00:44:11 ◼   ► like if something extraordinary is in

00:44:13 ◼   ► the sky and then for the two minutes of

00:44:15 ◼   ► totality not only is it strange to have

00:44:18 ◼   ► like Knight thrust upon you so quickly

00:44:21 ◼   ► there is like an eeriness to it because

00:44:23 ◼   ► everything else is like de still so like

00:44:26 ◼   ► the birds are all out and animals are

00:44:28 ◼   ► around and suddenly they're quite

00:44:29 ◼   ► confused so some interesting things

00:44:31 ◼   ► happen but the most important thing is

00:44:33 ◼   ► it just looks really beautiful the way

00:44:35 ◼   ► you see the corona and look at the

00:44:38 ◼   ► diamond ring phenomena and the

00:44:40 ◼   ► glistening around the edge of the Sun

00:44:42 ◼   ► this black disc in the sky with the

00:44:43 ◼   ► light around it but the other thing

00:44:45 ◼   ► that's seeing a total eclipse in real

00:44:47 ◼   ► life impressed upon me that is never

00:44:50 ◼   ► conveyed in photos this is what I'm

00:44:52 ◼   ► wondering like what is the in presence

00:44:53 ◼   ► experience yeah there is something

00:44:55 ◼   ► that's not conveyed in photos and this

00:44:56 ◼   ► will sound silly because I know how far

00:44:58 ◼   ► away all these objects are right but

00:45:01 ◼   ► there is like a kind of three

00:45:03 ◼   ► dimensionality to it that's hard to

00:45:05 ◼   ► explain it doesn't just look like a flat

00:45:07 ◼   ► photo or a video it feels more

00:45:09 ◼   ► three-dimensional and almost feels like

00:45:11 ◼   ► you could reach out and touch it it's

00:45:13 ◼   ► got this really weird quality to it and

00:45:15 ◼   ► I was talking to a very good friend

00:45:17 ◼   ► Destin beforehand who did watch the

00:45:19 ◼   ► Eclipse I would have been severely

00:45:20 ◼   ► disappointed if Destin had not seen the

00:45:22 ◼   ► Eclipse and who also I must say did

00:45:24 ◼   ► invite me to go and watch it with him

00:45:25 ◼   ► and tried to accommodate me so he was

00:45:27 ◼   ► very kind but I couldn't make it and he

00:45:29 ◼   ► also took an incredible photo of the

00:45:32 ◼   ► International Space Station transiting

00:45:34 ◼   ► the Sun partway through the Eclipse so

00:45:37 ◼   ► make sure you go and check that out and

00:45:38 ◼   ► whatever other videos Destin has

00:45:40 ◼   ► produced about it because I'm sure

00:45:41 ◼   ► they'll be brilliant although I have not

00:45:42 ◼   ► yet seen them but when I was talking to

00:45:44 ◼   ► Destin beforehand I said to him whatever

00:45:47 ◼   ► you do like make sure you put your

00:45:48 ◼   ► camera down at some point and look at it

00:45:50 ◼   ► because there's something about seeing

00:45:52 ◼   ► it that no photo will convey and you

00:45:54 ◼   ► should just stop and look at it for a

00:45:55 ◼   ► minute because that's the best thing

00:45:57 ◼   ► about it and afterwards like he said I

00:46:01 ◼   ► even stopped taking photos I almost

00:46:03 ◼   ► forgot to take photos because looking at

00:46:05 ◼   ► it was what it was all about and he

00:46:06 ◼   ► couldn't have agreed more hmmm as I said

00:46:09 ◼   ► do you agree like no photo can explain

00:46:10 ◼   ► what that looks like and he said 100%

00:46:12 ◼   ► great hmm maybe you're talking me back

00:46:14 ◼   ► into it braiding you should definitely

00:46:16 ◼   ► watch one at some point they are lovely

00:46:18 ◼   ► to watch I feel like your poetic words

00:46:20 ◼   ► are unwinding something about my

00:46:23 ◼   ► experience of seeing photographs on

00:46:25 ◼   ► Twitter of people holding paper plates

00:46:27 ◼   ► in front of their face this one for me

00:46:29 ◼   ► in a way was a bit ruined by the hype

00:46:31 ◼   ► mm-hmm like I'd rather go and watch one

00:46:34 ◼   ► in Antarctica or like in some obscure

00:46:37 ◼   ► place where it's a bit it feels a little

00:46:40 ◼   ► bit more I don't want to sound like

00:46:42 ◼   ► really like like a personal experience

00:46:44 ◼   ► you want to pry yeah I don't want to

00:46:46 ◼   ► like say like more at one with a nature

00:46:47 ◼   ► or something like that where I'm gonna

00:46:49 ◼   ► embarrass myself but where it doesn't

00:46:50 ◼   ► feel like it's just something for CNN to

00:46:52 ◼   ► put another counter on the screen for

00:46:54 ◼   ► right it's inevitable when something

00:46:55 ◼   ► happens in America it's gonna get like

00:46:58 ◼   ► hyped to death

00:46:59 ◼   ► like whenever the Olympics are in

00:47:00 ◼   ► America they're never as good because

00:47:02 ◼   ► the Olympics are like this exotic

00:47:03 ◼   ► sporting event when I was growing up the

00:47:05 ◼   ► Olympics of this amazing thing in

00:47:07 ◼   ► countries you could never dream of

00:47:08 ◼   ► visiting and you can't even say their

00:47:10 ◼   ► names properly and then whenever the

00:47:12 ◼   ► Olympics goes to America it's just like

00:47:14 ◼   ► their Super Bowl you know the Super Bowl

00:47:18 ◼   ► of athletics comes a bit rubbish because

00:47:20 ◼   ► as much as I love America and Americans

00:47:23 ◼   ► they kind of you know they have this way

00:47:26 ◼   ► about things they have this way about

00:47:29 ◼   ► them right that's probably the best way

00:47:30 ◼   ► to say it Brady so they even turned the

00:47:33 ◼   ► Eclipse into like the Super Bowl of

00:47:35 ◼   ► astronomy it had to be the eclipse of

00:47:38 ◼   ► the century this is the world champion

00:47:40 ◼   ► of eclipses it's like it's you know it's

00:47:43 ◼   ► just it's a it's an eclipse I know you

00:47:45 ◼   ► haven't heard one for a while and you're

00:47:46 ◼   ► right to want to go out and watch it but

00:47:48 ◼   ► yeah calm down calm down I'm feeling

00:47:52 ◼   ► like the inevitable name of this podcast

00:47:53 ◼   ► should be eclipse of the century perhaps

00:47:56 ◼   ► that's a bit too mean like that's gonna

00:47:59 ◼   ► set terrible expectations for the

00:48:01 ◼   ► listeners if they see eclipses of the

00:48:03 ◼   ► century are you telling me that the Nile

00:48:05 ◼   ► and gay flag has been sent into space

00:48:08 ◼   ► and you're gonna make this podcast name

00:48:10 ◼   ► about the eclipse you know what it is

00:48:12 ◼   ► actually

00:48:12 ◼   ► it's the podcast of the century that's

00:48:14 ◼   ► what it is I think you've called it

00:48:16 ◼   ► because us sending that flag into space

00:48:18 ◼   ► was pretty amazing and there's more good

00:48:20 ◼   ► stuff to come podcast of the century it

00:48:22 ◼   ► is there we go then

00:48:25 ◼   ► by the way I just wanted to bring up a

00:48:27 ◼   ► little quick thing we talked in the last

00:48:29 ◼   ► episode about positioning your icons on

00:48:31 ◼   ► your iPhone because I've now got this

00:48:32 ◼   ► massive screen where the plus the plus

00:48:35 ◼   ► screen yet so I was talking to my wife

00:48:37 ◼   ► about and I saying how I'm gonna move

00:48:38 ◼   ► Twitter and all my regularly used icons

00:48:40 ◼   ► down lower so I can get to them more

00:48:42 ◼   ► easily and I said you know and then you

00:48:44 ◼   ► know our muscle memory where they are

00:48:45 ◼   ► eventually and everything will be back

00:48:47 ◼   ► to normal and she told me something she

00:48:49 ◼   ► does that I didn't know she did and is

00:48:52 ◼   ► really interesting and I thought you

00:48:54 ◼   ► would find interesting and that is every

00:48:57 ◼   ► few days or so she moves her icons for

00:49:00 ◼   ► things she gets a little bit addicted to

00:49:02 ◼   ► like Twitter and Instagram so they're

00:49:04 ◼   ► not always in the same place so she

00:49:06 ◼   ► doesn't get that muscle memory so she

00:49:08 ◼   ► actually thinks about it like do I

00:49:09 ◼   ► really want to open Twitter yet again do

00:49:11 ◼   ► I really want to browse Instagram like

00:49:14 ◼   ► to actually put a barrier to finding it

00:49:16 ◼   ► to stop her opening it all the time out

00:49:18 ◼   ► of force of habit and I found that I

00:49:19 ◼   ► didn't know she did it and I found it

00:49:21 ◼   ► fascinating and I thought it was a

00:49:22 ◼   ► really clever idea that is a really

00:49:24 ◼   ► great idea yeah it's a really

00:49:25 ◼   ► interesting idea because I mean you know

00:49:27 ◼   ► my attack to this is to take everything

00:49:31 ◼   ► off my phone except the absolute bare

00:49:33 ◼   ► minimum of what I need probably I think

00:49:36 ◼   ► you would say definitely to a level at

00:49:38 ◼   ► which it inconveniences the other people

00:49:40 ◼   ► who have to interact with me yes yes

00:49:43 ◼   ► from Brady there without a doubt because

00:49:45 ◼   ► I make my phone as inert an object as

00:49:49 ◼   ► possible that does his few functions

00:49:50 ◼   ► it's possible right that shall we say is

00:49:54 ◼   ► not a strategy for everyone that's like

00:49:56 ◼   ► that's one step away from cutting off

00:49:57 ◼   ► your fingers to stop yourself using a

00:49:59 ◼   ► pepper what I feel is is the inevitable

00:50:02 ◼   ► is it's like this is how it starts and

00:50:04 ◼   ► it ends in a cabin in the woods with no

00:50:06 ◼   ► Wi-Fi right like that's we all know

00:50:08 ◼   ► that's where this is this is inevitably

00:50:10 ◼   ► going but so I actually think this is

00:50:13 ◼   ► this is a kind of brilliant strategy for

00:50:17 ◼   ► a much less extreme take on it like you

00:50:20 ◼   ► still want to have these things on your

00:50:23 ◼   ► phone because they're useful and because

00:50:24 ◼   ► you like them and because they bring

00:50:26 ◼   ► entertainment into your life but it is

00:50:29 ◼   ► so easy to mindlessly just go to them

00:50:34 ◼   ► and to not really to have that like

00:50:36 ◼   ► lizard part of your brain way

00:50:38 ◼   ► up and think what's on Twitter and it

00:50:39 ◼   ► just goes and it looks and you don't

00:50:40 ◼   ► quite consciously realize what's

00:50:42 ◼   ► happening like that's a really great

00:50:44 ◼   ► strategy and I think that's a really

00:50:46 ◼   ► great option for you want to stay

00:50:49 ◼   ► connected to the world like a normal

00:50:51 ◼   ► person but still break that automatic

00:50:55 ◼   ► reflex that you get over time and let's

00:50:58 ◼   ► be honest is also a thing that many of

00:51:00 ◼   ► these companies who want you to have

00:51:02 ◼   ► their apps on your phone like they

00:51:04 ◼   ► intentionally try to get you

00:51:07 ◼   ► Skinner boxed into that habit of just

00:51:10 ◼   ► opening kind of thoughtlessly so you you

00:51:12 ◼   ► are you do have a bit of an antagonist

00:51:14 ◼   ► in the form of some of those apps I

00:51:16 ◼   ► think that's a really great idea is it a

00:51:17 ◼   ► strategy that you're going to adopt I

00:51:19 ◼   ► don't know yeah I don't know I'm a bit

00:51:21 ◼   ► of a mess with my phone at the moment

00:51:22 ◼   ► like I've repositioned the icons and I'm

00:51:24 ◼   ► not happy and I'm not happy with my

00:51:26 ◼   ► phone life at the moment and I don't

00:51:29 ◼   ► want to share it up because I think it's

00:51:31 ◼   ► a bit of a boring thing to talk about

00:51:32 ◼   ► repeatedly I've just I haven't found a

00:51:34 ◼   ► happy place with my new phone and my

00:51:36 ◼   ► icon positioning and you think this is a

00:51:38 ◼   ► boring topic I'll tell you no no

00:51:41 ◼   ► actually like for me I kind of think it

00:51:44 ◼   ► is a bit of a boring topic but for some

00:51:47 ◼   ► reason it's it's a topic that lots of

00:51:48 ◼   ► people can't move away from people love

00:51:50 ◼   ► this topic in a way that I find is

00:51:53 ◼   ► weirdly intense and obsessive but I am

00:51:55 ◼   ► with you 100% about this again simply

00:51:58 ◼   ► because I'm running the beta on my phone

00:51:59 ◼   ► so it changed a bunch of things about

00:52:01 ◼   ► how and where different apps need to be

00:52:04 ◼   ► but I'm with you like I am it I'm at a

00:52:06 ◼   ► place where I feel veryuncertain with

00:52:08 ◼   ► where different apps go and how

00:52:10 ◼   ► everything is going to be arranged you

00:52:11 ◼   ► know you know how when your house isn't

00:52:12 ◼   ► quite right like you haven't unpacked

00:52:14 ◼   ► boxes or a room is messy and stuff and

00:52:16 ◼   ► like you've got other things to do but

00:52:18 ◼   ► just knowing that room is messy is

00:52:20 ◼   ► messing your mind I'm having that about

00:52:22 ◼   ► my phone at the moment every time I

00:52:23 ◼   ► think about my phone I just feel this

00:52:25 ◼   ► like I'm really unhappy because I know

00:52:26 ◼   ► it's it's not serving me well and the

00:52:29 ◼   ► screens too big I may have made a

00:52:30 ◼   ► mistake

00:52:31 ◼   ► I don't know the screen is definitely

00:52:33 ◼   ► too big like this is an example of with

00:52:35 ◼   ► a screen being too big causing me a

00:52:36 ◼   ► problem right mm-hmm

00:52:38 ◼   ► when you make a snapchat video like you

00:52:41 ◼   ► hold down the button to make the video

00:52:44 ◼   ► and to release the button like on screen

00:52:47 ◼   ► the on screen video button like

00:52:49 ◼   ► to take your thumb off ur involves

00:52:51 ◼   ► having to change your grip on the phone

00:52:53 ◼   ► because your thumb holding the video

00:52:54 ◼   ► button is part of your grip on the phone

00:52:56 ◼   ► so when you lift that thumb off the

00:52:59 ◼   ► screen and you're using one hand right

00:53:02 ◼   ► you no longer have the same grip on the

00:53:04 ◼   ► phone so the phone kind of drops and

00:53:06 ◼   ► slips and moves and that is the last

00:53:08 ◼   ► half a second of your snapchat video

00:53:10 ◼   ► which you then can't edit because you

00:53:11 ◼   ► can't add up snapchat videos now so

00:53:13 ◼   ► every snapchat video I make ends with

00:53:15 ◼   ► the camera - suddenly jerking for half a

00:53:18 ◼   ► second as I lift my thumb off the video

00:53:20 ◼   ► right it's just little things like that

00:53:22 ◼   ► it's annoying and these devices are with

00:53:23 ◼   ► us all the time and it's like a thing

00:53:26 ◼   ► that you have to deal with with all day

00:53:27 ◼   ► long I'm with you 100% to better that

00:53:29 ◼   ► it's it's like having part of your house

00:53:31 ◼   ► not in order

00:53:32 ◼   ► yeah it's worse than that because it's a

00:53:34 ◼   ► thing that you end up opening and

00:53:35 ◼   ► looking at so many times I should have

00:53:38 ◼   ► stuck with the small phone because the

00:53:39 ◼   ► other thing I thought would happen in my

00:53:40 ◼   ► head I thought having this big phone

00:53:42 ◼   ► would give me a battery that would last

00:53:44 ◼   ► for weeks I think I fell into the hype

00:53:46 ◼   ► that you get better battery life hmm so

00:53:48 ◼   ► still when I look down at my battery and

00:53:49 ◼   ► yet again I'm in the red I'm like what I

00:53:52 ◼   ► thought I've got this big ginormous

00:53:53 ◼   ► phone I'd have more battery life and

00:53:55 ◼   ► still my batteries always buddy empty

00:53:57 ◼   ► God's sake I thought at least I was

00:54:00 ◼   ► buying more battery life ya know you're

00:54:02 ◼   ► never winning this race it's absolutely

00:54:04 ◼   ► frustrating gray I'm calling it yeah end

00:54:07 ◼   ► of phone conversation done if this is

00:54:08 ◼   ► gonna be the podcast of the century we

00:54:10 ◼   ► can't have this much phone talk in it so

00:54:13 ◼   ► gray I think it's fitting that you

00:54:15 ◼   ► decided to call this episode podcast of

00:54:17 ◼   ► the century mm-hmm because I have

00:54:19 ◼   ► launched a new podcast I thought maybe

00:54:25 ◼   ► you were paying me in an immense

00:54:26 ◼   ► compliment I swear I didn't set that up

00:54:31 ◼   ► that was entirely your idea to call it

00:54:32 ◼   ► podcast and century you did not set that

00:54:34 ◼   ► up that was redoing that yeah so you

00:54:36 ◼   ► have started you've launched a new

00:54:39 ◼   ► podcast Brady and yep if I may say so my

00:54:42 ◼   ► own personal experience of this is it's

00:54:44 ◼   ► about time I feel like ever since we did

00:54:48 ◼   ► the first 10 episodes and then hello

00:54:51 ◼   ► internet has continued on since then I

00:54:54 ◼   ► have been waiting it felt just so so

00:54:57 ◼   ► inevitable that you would launch a

00:55:00 ◼   ► podcast at some point and I would

00:55:02 ◼   ► mention this to you

00:55:03 ◼   ► over the years and you would say no no

00:55:06 ◼   ► I'm too busy I can't possibly do a

00:55:08 ◼   ► podcast I would say that's okay I'll

00:55:10 ◼   ► just wait I'll wait for the day that

00:55:12 ◼   ► inevitably occurs

00:55:14 ◼   ► well now it's here it's finally here

00:55:15 ◼   ► Brady it is here and I have to say of

00:55:17 ◼   ► all the people who have been encouraging

00:55:19 ◼   ► me to do it

00:55:20 ◼   ► bordering on pressuring me to do it gray

00:55:23 ◼   ► has been top of the list it's something

00:55:25 ◼   ► you've really been encouraging me to do

00:55:26 ◼   ► for a long time oh yeah so if you think

00:55:28 ◼   ► that like I've sticked off behind Gray's

00:55:30 ◼   ► back you couldn't be further from the

00:55:31 ◼   ► truth he's forever telling me he thought

00:55:33 ◼   ► it was something I should do and has

00:55:35 ◼   ► been very encouraging and helpful so

00:55:36 ◼   ► Brady do you want to pitch the people on

00:55:38 ◼   ► what your podcast is about well before I

00:55:40 ◼   ► tell you tell you about and the name of

00:55:42 ◼   ► it I have to quickly tell you about my

00:55:44 ◼   ► co-host or vice host yeah what's his

00:55:47 ◼   ► name his name is Tim no and it's not a

00:55:50 ◼   ► joke it's not a joke as his real name

00:55:52 ◼   ► he's one of my best friends and has been

00:55:54 ◼   ► for a very long time he lives in

00:55:55 ◼   ► Australia and his real name is Tim so

00:55:58 ◼   ► while this podcast has no you know links

00:56:02 ◼   ► with hello Internet it's just it's just

00:56:03 ◼   ► a separate thing that I'm doing

00:56:05 ◼   ► occasionally in my spare time the

00:56:07 ◼   ► co-host is code Tim and this has caused

00:56:09 ◼   ► much amusement so there you go you can

00:56:12 ◼   ► make what you will of that it's a

00:56:14 ◼   ► podcast I'm doing with my friend Tim and

00:56:16 ◼   ► the name of it is the unmade podcast and

00:56:22 ◼   ► the pitch of it is so far you never know

00:56:25 ◼   ► what direction of podcast is gonna end

00:56:27 ◼   ► up going no but so far the idea is in

00:56:29 ◼   ► each episode we discuss ideas for

00:56:33 ◼   ► podcasts that would be fun to make and

00:56:35 ◼   ► then we talk about each other's ideas

00:56:36 ◼   ► and whether we think they're good ideas

00:56:38 ◼   ► or bad ideas and it's supposed to be

00:56:39 ◼   ► funny so sometimes it's a serious idea

00:56:42 ◼   ► more often than not there's silly ideas

00:56:44 ◼   ► and we each pitch two ideas to each

00:56:46 ◼   ► other per episode and then we just chat

00:56:48 ◼   ► about them and joke around and see where

00:56:51 ◼   ► the conversation goes and it's been

00:56:53 ◼   ► quite good fun to make so unmade podcast

00:56:55 ◼   ► because their podcasts that will

00:56:57 ◼   ► probably always be unmade it's a tea is

00:57:00 ◼   ► Brady it's an eternal teas for these

00:57:02 ◼   ► podcasts that people are going to want

00:57:03 ◼   ► can I do a little bit of a spoiler for

00:57:05 ◼   ► the first episode just related to this

00:57:07 ◼   ► you can the first episode came out

00:57:09 ◼   ► before we're recording so hopefully some

00:57:12 ◼   ► people have actually listened to it yeah

00:57:13 ◼   ► it came

00:57:13 ◼   ► but yesterday day before yesterday when

00:57:16 ◼   ► ya recording timeline here hmm so I've

00:57:18 ◼   ► listened to the first episode and the

00:57:20 ◼   ► t's think about I actually got a preview

00:57:21 ◼   ► I got to hurt here in early and early

00:57:23 ◼   ► cut you did you had exclusive first

00:57:26 ◼   ► listen I felt very privileged with that

00:57:27 ◼   ► you actually listened to it before it

00:57:29 ◼   ► was properly cut down to size they say

00:57:31 ◼   ► you heard it when it was still a little

00:57:32 ◼   ► bit ugly but that's okay I didn't think

00:57:34 ◼   ► it was ugly

00:57:35 ◼   ► no but there's a funny thing here so the

00:57:37 ◼   ► segment that you have at the very end is

00:57:39 ◼   ► where your co-host suggests the idea of

00:57:42 ◼   ► a Groundhog Day podcast in which you

00:57:44 ◼   ► were going to discuss Groundhog Day

00:57:46 ◼   ► every day mm-hmm and and I told you at

00:57:51 ◼   ► the time that's a hilarious topic

00:57:53 ◼   ► because it's not viously such a terrible

00:57:55 ◼   ► idea

00:57:55 ◼   ► mm-hmm but I have to listen to that show

00:57:57 ◼   ► it's one of these things like that idea

00:57:58 ◼   ► keeps haunting me I keep thinking about

00:58:01 ◼   ► the Groundhog Day podcast and I feel

00:58:04 ◼   ► like there is nothing more that I want

00:58:06 ◼   ► than to hear you do a Groundhog Day Park

00:58:09 ◼   ► like I can't let this idea go yeah and I

00:58:12 ◼   ► feel like this is what the podcast maybe

00:58:14 ◼   ► is just getting teased about shows that

00:58:19 ◼   ► are not going to be made because it

00:58:21 ◼   ► would be crazy for you to make the

00:58:22 ◼   ► Groundhog Day podcast yeah but I I

00:58:24 ◼   ► cannot let it go I keep coming back to

00:58:26 ◼   ► this idea of every day you're doing a

00:58:28 ◼   ► podcast about the movie Groundhog Day

00:58:30 ◼   ► it's fantastic say another idea that

00:58:34 ◼   ► came up in that first episode was one

00:58:37 ◼   ► that I suggested called I called a

00:58:38 ◼   ► podcast ology and every episode you

00:58:40 ◼   ► discuss a different ology so it could be

00:58:42 ◼   ► biology or proctology or entomology and

00:58:46 ◼   ► that sort of thing and it was more of a

00:58:48 ◼   ► serious idea we joked around about it

00:58:49 ◼   ► was a serious idea and seriously the

00:58:51 ◼   ► number of people who've contacted me

00:58:53 ◼   ► saying like yeah we like the unmade

00:58:55 ◼   ► podcast ready but whatever you do you

00:58:57 ◼   ► have to start that ology one that's one

00:58:59 ◼   ► we really want to hear so I think you're

00:59:01 ◼   ► right I think like as we throw these

00:59:03 ◼   ► ideas around we're gonna get a lot of

00:59:05 ◼   ► people saying that's actually probably a

00:59:07 ◼   ► podcast you should make which is like

00:59:09 ◼   ► maybe it's nice that they think that I

00:59:10 ◼   ► have to say though like to be a bit

00:59:12 ◼   ► better about it

00:59:13 ◼   ► mmm obviously I think about the episodes

00:59:16 ◼   ► beforehand and think I'll what ideas am

00:59:17 ◼   ► I gonna have and I always try I want

00:59:19 ◼   ► them to be funny so I always come up

00:59:20 ◼   ► with some ridiculous stupid idea that

00:59:22 ◼   ► could never be a podcast and I just sit

00:59:24 ◼   ► around thinking about it and within an

00:59:26 ◼   ► hour

00:59:27 ◼   ► I've reshaped it in my head and tweaked

00:59:29 ◼   ► it and thought about to a point where I

00:59:30 ◼   ► think you know what this actually would

00:59:32 ◼   ► be a really good podcast and no matter

00:59:34 ◼   ► how stupid the idea is I always end up

00:59:37 ◼   ► thinking that is stupid but that should

00:59:39 ◼   ► probably get made I'd be pretty good you

00:59:40 ◼   ► know I just I'm just realizing now

00:59:43 ◼   ► somehow this had not occurred to me

00:59:44 ◼   ► before this very moment but it somehow

00:59:46 ◼   ► seems inevitable that the person who has

00:59:48 ◼   ► so many projects that he runs would end

00:59:52 ◼   ► up doing a podcast about an infinite

00:59:56 ◼   ► possibility of potential projects that's

00:59:58 ◼   ► what happened great when when to

00:59:58 ◼   ► what happened great when when to

01:00:00 ◼   ► when I were discussing what are we going

01:00:01 ◼   ► to do a podcast about we had three or

01:00:03 ◼   ► four ideas and we kept changing the idea

01:00:06 ◼   ► because each day we thought we had a

01:00:07 ◼   ► better idea and it got to a point where

01:00:09 ◼   ► I was saying you know all these ideas

01:00:10 ◼   ► are so interesting that we're talking

01:00:11 ◼   ► about why don't we just make the podcast

01:00:13 ◼   ► about all the ideas we're having for a

01:00:15 ◼   ► podcast so that's what we're doing I

01:00:17 ◼   ► have had a couple of little observations

01:00:19 ◼   ► I wanted to share though there's

01:00:20 ◼   ► something I wanted to say about it

01:00:21 ◼   ► because hello Internet you run the show

01:00:24 ◼   ► on hello Internet and you do all the

01:00:25 ◼   ► behind-the-scenes stuff and run all the

01:00:27 ◼   ► technical stuff and I've actually always

01:00:29 ◼   ► been quite oblivious to it so I've had

01:00:31 ◼   ► to learn how to do all that stuff cuz

01:00:33 ◼   ► I'm running this new one and it has made

01:00:36 ◼   ► me realize a few things and it has made

01:00:38 ◼   ► me feel like I need to make like a small

01:00:40 ◼   ► apology to you because like to make the

01:00:45 ◼   ► apology I will first have to admit to a

01:00:47 ◼   ► slightly uncharitable thought I had

01:00:48 ◼   ► about you mmm-hmm and that was before we

01:00:51 ◼   ► started like working together properly

01:00:53 ◼   ► and we were just friends and I watched

01:00:55 ◼   ► your videos I always thought that you

01:00:57 ◼   ► were this really like accurate

01:00:59 ◼   ► meticulous guy because your videos are

01:01:01 ◼   ► all about you know really good accurate

01:01:03 ◼   ► explaining things that are researched

01:01:05 ◼   ► and the videos are all so well prepared

01:01:07 ◼   ► and well executed so I had this image of

01:01:09 ◼   ► you okay and that's where this apology

01:01:11 ◼   ► is going okay well when we started

01:01:13 ◼   ► working together more and I started

01:01:15 ◼   ► having more communication with you but

01:01:16 ◼   ► also you started doing like hello

01:01:18 ◼   ► internet stuff I would like occasionally

01:01:20 ◼   ► find little things like a little typo or

01:01:23 ◼   ► something that I thought was a little

01:01:24 ◼   ► bit sloppy like a space missing or there

01:01:26 ◼   ► should be a you know just little tiny

01:01:28 ◼   ► things that I had little details that I

01:01:30 ◼   ► thought weren't perfect mm-hmm and I

01:01:32 ◼   ► thought you know you know fair enough

01:01:36 ◼   ► that's okay I've now realized that when

01:01:40 ◼   ► you are doing a podcast and you were

01:01:41 ◼   ► doing all this stuff behind the scenes

01:01:43 ◼   ► on hello Internet it is such a Fafi job

01:01:47 ◼   ► mm-hmm there are so many different

01:01:49 ◼   ► little things to do there are so many

01:01:50 ◼   ► bowls to keep in the air at once so many

01:01:53 ◼   ► little fields and things you have to

01:01:54 ◼   ► fill out and bits and pieces to do that

01:01:57 ◼   ► those little mistakes that I thought you

01:01:59 ◼   ► were making because you just weren't

01:02:00 ◼   ► paying attention to detail that was not

01:02:02 ◼   ► the case at all there's just too much to

01:02:04 ◼   ► do and like it just gets away from you

01:02:06 ◼   ► all this stuff really quickly like I'm

01:02:09 ◼   ► sure it will become more routine in time

01:02:11 ◼   ► but at the moment I'm finding

01:02:13 ◼   ► all the stuff you do on the technical

01:02:14 ◼   ► side of a podcast is really like I feel

01:02:16 ◼   ► like a duck really paddling really fast

01:02:18 ◼   ► underwater so all those times when

01:02:20 ◼   ► you've made a little mistake here or

01:02:21 ◼   ► there in a webpage and I was texting you

01:02:23 ◼   ► saying gray I think you need to fix this

01:02:24 ◼   ► on that webpage because it doesn't look

01:02:26 ◼   ► absolutely perfect I take all that back

01:02:28 ◼   ► I now realize what you were doing and

01:02:31 ◼   ► you did a very good job so apologies for

01:02:33 ◼   ► those thoughts

01:02:35 ◼   ► thank you I accept your apology for your

01:02:37 ◼   ► silent thoughts all right but now you do

01:02:38 ◼   ► see why I made originally like a hundred

01:02:41 ◼   ► point here's all the switches you need

01:02:43 ◼   ► to flip and all those things that you

01:02:45 ◼   ► need to do it is you use the right word

01:02:47 ◼   ► it is a remarkably Fafi job with just a

01:02:50 ◼   ► like a whole bunch of picky little

01:02:51 ◼   ► things that are really easy to forget

01:02:52 ◼   ► when you're launching a podcast so now

01:02:55 ◼   ► that you are at the helm of your other

01:02:58 ◼   ► show this burden of responsibility falls

01:03:01 ◼   ► on you as the captain of that show a

01:03:03 ◼   ► couple more little observations one is

01:03:05 ◼   ► just and this is something that's true

01:03:06 ◼   ► for any project but I've just been

01:03:07 ◼   ► reminded of it because I haven't started

01:03:09 ◼   ► like a new project since objectivity

01:03:12 ◼   ► how long has objectivity been running

01:03:14 ◼   ► now well over two years somehow that

01:03:16 ◼   ► makes me feel really old and it's

01:03:19 ◼   ► reminded me how all-consuming and what a

01:03:22 ◼   ► narcotic it can be tada

01:03:23 ◼   ► do like something new hmm like because

01:03:27 ◼   ► the unmade podcast is like it's taken us

01:03:30 ◼   ► seriously I'm not joking here it's taken

01:03:31 ◼   ► us a year to record a few episodes

01:03:33 ◼   ► because we're both so busy so I'm not

01:03:35 ◼   ► sure what the future of this podcast is

01:03:37 ◼   ► if it's gonna be just a few episodes

01:03:39 ◼   ► occasionally or it's gonna be regular at

01:03:41 ◼   ► the moment regular looks difficult but

01:03:44 ◼   ► maybe it will be I hope it will be but

01:03:45 ◼   ► just doing something new and putting

01:03:48 ◼   ► something new out there it's really

01:03:49 ◼   ► exciting and it's really all consuming

01:03:51 ◼   ► and even though like I'm making no money

01:03:54 ◼   ► from it and I shouldn't be doing it and

01:03:56 ◼   ► I should be like doing all my projects

01:03:58 ◼   ► that are like my job right like it just

01:04:00 ◼   ► takes up a disproportionate amount of

01:04:02 ◼   ► your headspace when you do something new

01:04:04 ◼   ► and that's like voluntary because it's

01:04:07 ◼   ► such a drug to be creating something new

01:04:09 ◼   ► and it's such a nice feeling so I have

01:04:11 ◼   ► enjoyed putting something new out just I

01:04:13 ◼   ► mean I still enjoy every new episode of

01:04:15 ◼   ► Hello internet and every new episode of

01:04:16 ◼   ► numberphile and every new episode of

01:04:18 ◼   ► everything I do but the whole project

01:04:20 ◼   ► being new is like another level up isn't

01:04:22 ◼   ► it yeah there is a very very different

01:04:24 ◼   ► thing

01:04:24 ◼   ► if someone searches back through my

01:04:26 ◼   ► Twitter history I think I made a comment

01:04:27 ◼   ► exactly along these lines when we

01:04:29 ◼   ► launched hello Internet

01:04:31 ◼   ► about how it's so exciting and different

01:04:33 ◼   ► to launch a new project into the world

01:04:37 ◼   ► it's not like anything else it's not

01:04:41 ◼   ► like uploading videos to your existing

01:04:42 ◼   ► channel it's not like continuing to

01:04:44 ◼   ► produce episodes of a thing that you

01:04:45 ◼   ► already do this is also why I think that

01:04:48 ◼   ► in the world of just being people who

01:04:51 ◼   ► have to create things for a living the

01:04:54 ◼   ► other side of this is that you do have a

01:04:55 ◼   ► kind of siren song of new projects

01:04:58 ◼   ► always attracting you away from your

01:05:00 ◼   ► current work because of that excitement

01:05:02 ◼   ► I'm glad that you're being able to

01:05:03 ◼   ► experience that and I'm particularly

01:05:05 ◼   ► shocked to realize that it has been two

01:05:07 ◼   ► years since you did that with

01:05:09 ◼   ► objectivity The Brady in my head is

01:05:11 ◼   ► always just spawning new channels

01:05:12 ◼   ► constant I think it's getting closer to

01:05:14 ◼   ► three years there's like a hundred and

01:05:15 ◼   ► twenty other episodes so let's not say

01:05:17 ◼   ► that let's just say - let's just say -

01:05:18 ◼   ► I'll feel better about that yeah another

01:05:23 ◼   ► thing I noticed the idea of this podcast

01:05:24 ◼   ► as we've said is just to come up with

01:05:26 ◼   ► ideas for podcasts and we usually give

01:05:28 ◼   ► them a name and I find this very easy

01:05:30 ◼   ► coming up with ideas and giving them a

01:05:33 ◼   ► name but do you know what's funny what

01:05:36 ◼   ► an incredibly difficult process it was

01:05:38 ◼   ► to actually name this podcast it was so

01:05:40 ◼   ► difficult like every other idea I have

01:05:42 ◼   ► in the show I give it a name like just

01:05:44 ◼   ► off the top of my head straight away and

01:05:45 ◼   ► just seems like a natural fit and I'm

01:05:47 ◼   ► usually pretty happy with it but this

01:05:48 ◼   ► was really difficult as you know cuz I

01:05:50 ◼   ► was I was lamenting to you coming up

01:05:52 ◼   ► with the name you seemed pretty

01:05:53 ◼   ► desperate and I message about names it

01:05:56 ◼   ► was such a heard show to name the

01:05:58 ◼   ► branding of it and the look of it was

01:05:59 ◼   ► quite easy cuz I got like really good

01:06:01 ◼   ► artists to do it the branding was easy

01:06:02 ◼   ► because you didn't do that part yeah and

01:06:04 ◼   ► also he did double the branding based on

01:06:07 ◼   ► earlier name and then I called him up

01:06:08 ◼   ► and said no we're not doing that name so

01:06:09 ◼   ► he had to start again but anyway it was

01:06:12 ◼   ► very hard to name how did you name hello

01:06:14 ◼   ► Internet cuz that was your idea we

01:06:16 ◼   ► bounced around ideas a little bit you

01:06:18 ◼   ► know forever ago about naming the

01:06:19 ◼   ► podcast but it was mainly like we kind

01:06:21 ◼   ► of knew that the show wasn't going to be

01:06:23 ◼   ► about anything in particular so we had

01:06:25 ◼   ► to pick a name that wasn't really

01:06:26 ◼   ► anything in particular I'm not sure that

01:06:29 ◼   ► hello internet is the best name for this

01:06:32 ◼   ► show as it currently exists but it

01:06:34 ◼   ► doesn't matter because especially with a

01:06:36 ◼   ► show like this one

01:06:38 ◼   ► the name just becomes the thing as long

01:06:41 ◼   ► as it the name doesn't have some

01:06:43 ◼   ► specific meaning then it just becomes

01:06:46 ◼   ► what it is hello Internet is the name of

01:06:47 ◼   ► this show even if for someone who's a

01:06:50 ◼   ► new listener does that name make any

01:06:52 ◼   ► sense like it doesn't really but it just

01:06:55 ◼   ► is what it is cuz I was having this

01:06:57 ◼   ► discussion I was discussing with my wife

01:06:59 ◼   ► and I was saying am I worrying too much

01:07:00 ◼   ► about the name I said the same thing I

01:07:02 ◼   ► said you know the show if the show's

01:07:04 ◼   ► good that's what matters and then the

01:07:05 ◼   ► name just fits the show yeah without a

01:07:06 ◼   ► doubt and I even said to her I mean look

01:07:08 ◼   ► at hello Internet that's not a

01:07:09 ◼   ► particularly good name and that's become

01:07:10 ◼   ► very successful and she said hello Anton

01:07:13 ◼   ► it's a really good name and I had never

01:07:15 ◼   ► thought of it as a good name before so I

01:07:17 ◼   ► think it's just a name I wouldn't say

01:07:19 ◼   ► that it's a particularly good name I

01:07:20 ◼   ► think it ends up having really good

01:07:22 ◼   ► associations for the people who listen

01:07:24 ◼   ► to the show because they like the show

01:07:25 ◼   ► and then that's the name I think the

01:07:26 ◼   ► name only matters if you're trying to

01:07:28 ◼   ► really be about a specific thing and

01:07:31 ◼   ► capture the audience for that thing they

01:07:35 ◼   ► give you were launching a new podcast

01:07:37 ◼   ► talking about all of the exciting new

01:07:39 ◼   ► economies of scale in outer space and

01:07:42 ◼   ► you wanted people who are really into

01:07:43 ◼   ► that kind of thing to listen to your

01:07:44 ◼   ► show then you need to have a title that

01:07:46 ◼   ► describes what that show is about you

01:07:49 ◼   ► know mining for cheaper and outer space

01:07:52 ◼   ► podcast show right that's the name you

01:07:54 ◼   ► need so that people know what it

01:07:55 ◼   ► actually is but I think for for these

01:07:57 ◼   ► cut like for two dudes talking kinds of

01:07:59 ◼   ► shows it doesn't really matter what the

01:08:00 ◼   ► name I think I'm just running through my

01:08:03 ◼   ► mental list of the shows that I listen

01:08:05 ◼   ► to that are you know maybe ostensibly

01:08:07 ◼   ► about a thing or ostensibly have a

01:08:09 ◼   ► format but are really just about liking

01:08:11 ◼   ► who the hosts are none of those names

01:08:13 ◼   ► really matter none of them are really

01:08:14 ◼   ► descriptive about what the show is and

01:08:16 ◼   ► it doesn't make any difference because

01:08:17 ◼   ► you're listening for the people you're

01:08:19 ◼   ► not listening for the specific yeah

01:08:23 ◼   ► content the unmade podcast does have a

01:08:25 ◼   ► bit more of a format than Halloween

01:08:26 ◼   ► snare though it does but ultimately I

01:08:29 ◼   ► like from having listened to the first

01:08:30 ◼   ► episode and of course we know better

01:08:32 ◼   ► than anybody like shows aren't what they

01:08:34 ◼   ► start as necessarily they grow and they

01:08:36 ◼   ► become their own thing it has more of a

01:08:39 ◼   ► format but ultimately again it that is a

01:08:42 ◼   ► show that at least from the first

01:08:44 ◼   ► episode strikes me as very much as it is

01:08:46 ◼   ► the conversation between the two of you

01:08:48 ◼   ► is the thing

01:08:50 ◼   ► which is also why like when we were

01:08:51 ◼   ► talking on iMessage I was in the same

01:08:53 ◼   ► camp as your wife of you need to pick a

01:08:55 ◼   ► name but the name is not going to make

01:08:57 ◼   ► or break the show the content is the

01:08:59 ◼   ► thing that's going to do that mm-hmm I'd

01:09:01 ◼   ► like to ask you to because I have been

01:09:04 ◼   ► expectant and sort of harassing you

01:09:06 ◼   ► about when are you going to finally do a

01:09:08 ◼   ► podcast yeah is there something that

01:09:11 ◼   ► made this finally happened now as

01:09:14 ◼   ► opposed to a year ago like is there a

01:09:16 ◼   ► series of events that brought this into

01:09:17 ◼   ► being or was it something that you just

01:09:19 ◼   ► decided now was the time that you you

01:09:22 ◼   ► wanted to do this basically what took so

01:09:24 ◼   ► long we started a year ago I'm not

01:09:26 ◼   ► joking it actually I looked at the day

01:09:27 ◼   ► and I think the first one we recorded

01:09:29 ◼   ► was actually a year ago this month hmm

01:09:31 ◼   ► and just recently we recorded our third

01:09:34 ◼   ► episode that we're happy with I didn't

01:09:37 ◼   ► want to release a podcast like one

01:09:39 ◼   ► episode and then never released another

01:09:40 ◼   ► one I wanted to have three made mm-hmm

01:09:43 ◼   ► so that even if people aren't that into

01:09:44 ◼   ► it so it doesn't become a thing I could

01:09:46 ◼   ► release three like a trilogy mmm

01:09:48 ◼   ► so I didn't want to release it until I

01:09:50 ◼   ► had made three and at the very least so

01:09:53 ◼   ► now that there's three I feel like okay

01:09:54 ◼   ► now let's see what people think and if

01:09:56 ◼   ► they like it we'll make more and if they

01:09:58 ◼   ► don't like it well or at least three and

01:10:00 ◼   ► people can enjoy those three episodes as

01:10:02 ◼   ► a thing that I did once with my mate

01:10:04 ◼   ► mm-hmm that's really what the tipping

01:10:06 ◼   ► point was and also to get to a point

01:10:08 ◼   ► where I was thinking if I don't do this

01:10:10 ◼   ► I'll never do it I had someone make a

01:10:12 ◼   ► youtube video recently that was of

01:10:14 ◼   ► something I'd been planning to do for

01:10:15 ◼   ► about two years and I could have done

01:10:17 ◼   ► two years ago and I hadn't and they

01:10:19 ◼   ► released a video and I was like you

01:10:22 ◼   ► can't just sit on stuff you idiot yeah

01:10:24 ◼   ► if you want to do things do things maybe

01:10:26 ◼   ► that catalyzed me to in some way I'm not

01:10:27 ◼   ► sure I'm gonna think come on do crap

01:10:30 ◼   ► Brady so so we've put it out there yeah

01:10:34 ◼   ► because you certainly don't do enough as

01:10:36 ◼   ► it is you better get off your body for

01:10:38 ◼   ► some more well I'm gonna see what

01:10:39 ◼   ► happens but thank you for letting me

01:10:41 ◼   ► discuss it in such depth here and how

01:10:43 ◼   ► their internet oh yeah but I'm very

01:10:45 ◼   ► happy that it's out there and and I

01:10:46 ◼   ► think people should go listen go give it

01:10:48 ◼   ► a try yeah unmade dot FM and may FM

01:10:52 ◼   ► that's right and that's as good a jump

01:10:53 ◼   ► off point is anyway and that's got all

01:10:54 ◼   ► the links and it's I think you can

01:10:56 ◼   ► search for it now on some of the usual

01:10:58 ◼   ► places so don't like stop listening to

01:11:00 ◼   ► hello internet now but maybe at the end

01:11:02 ◼   ► of the show go and check it out

01:11:04 ◼   ► if you've got an idea something you want

01:11:07 ◼   ► to do in business or maybe just for fun

01:11:09 ◼   ► you're almost certainly gonna need a web

01:11:11 ◼   ► domain it could be a classic with

01:11:13 ◼   ► something like dot-com or.net or maybe

01:11:16 ◼   ► dot F M for a podcast or you might want

01:11:19 ◼   ► something zany like dot dog for that new

01:11:22 ◼   ► pet walking business dot poker for that

01:11:24 ◼   ► card sharp consultancy or dot space for

01:11:27 ◼   ► your new asteroid mining enterprise

01:11:29 ◼   ► whatever your grand plan don't sit

01:11:31 ◼   ► around waiting for someone else to get

01:11:33 ◼   ► all the best names go to Harvard calm

01:11:35 ◼   ► and reserved one right now I've been

01:11:38 ◼   ► using hover quite a bit over the last

01:11:40 ◼   ► week launching a new podcast and I have

01:11:42 ◼   ► to say I've yet again been super

01:11:44 ◼   ► impressed by what a pleasure it is to

01:11:47 ◼   ► use super easy to search for what's

01:11:49 ◼   ► available and then buying the name all

01:11:51 ◼   ► for yourself is done in just a few

01:11:53 ◼   ► clicks from there everything else you

01:11:56 ◼   ► might want to do managing the domains is

01:11:58 ◼   ► so smooth and and this is me talking

01:12:01 ◼   ► it's idiot-proof I've been able to

01:12:04 ◼   ► divert domains I've reserved other sites

01:12:07 ◼   ► or link them with services like

01:12:08 ◼   ► Squarespace and just a few super simple