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00:00:00 ◼   ► hello Mike hi still traveling yeah I'm [TS]

00:00:02 ◼   ► in Memphis Tennessee right now I've been [TS]

00:00:04 ◼   ► in New York I've been in DC I've been in [TS]

00:00:06 ◼   ► Virginia and I still have New York left [TS]

00:00:10 ◼   ► again oh you are you are in the midst of [TS]

00:00:13 ◼   ► travel I am on like a serious CGP grey [TS]

00:00:16 ◼   ► Vision Quest right now I think Vision [TS]

00:00:19 ◼   ► Quest I like this this is how I imagined [TS]

00:00:21 ◼   ► there they all are right you just went [TS]

00:00:23 ◼   ► when you go on your car occasions that [TS]

00:00:25 ◼   ► you're just going out to have the [TS]

00:00:26 ◼   ► Epiphany that will then carry you [TS]

00:00:29 ◼   ► through the next five years which I [TS]

00:00:30 ◼   ► assume is what happens every time I like [TS]

00:00:32 ◼   ► this I like this the most recent travel [TS]

00:00:34 ◼   ► if any travel I have ever done was a [TS]

00:00:36 ◼   ► Vision Quest this most recent trip was a [TS]

00:00:38 ◼   ► Vision Quest so I like it I'm taking [TS]

00:00:40 ◼   ► this on board but what I'm I want to [TS]

00:00:43 ◼   ► know what I'm slightly concerned about [TS]

00:00:44 ◼   ► is you've been traveling all over the [TS]

00:00:46 ◼   ► place yep two and a half weeks two and a [TS]

00:00:49 ◼   ► half weeks [TS]

00:00:49 ◼   ► what's the laundry situation like Mike [TS]

00:00:53 ◼   ► laundry has been done twice oh okay it's [TS]

00:00:56 ◼   ► the situation before i divulged this the [TS]

00:01:00 ◼   ► circumstances under which I have [TS]

00:01:02 ◼   ► received clean clothes I just want to [TS]

00:01:05 ◼   ► touch upon the we have it more than a [TS]

00:01:09 ◼   ► handful of listeners to this show do you [TS]

00:01:11 ◼   ► want to say how many listeners we have [TS]

00:01:12 ◼   ► for this show Mike no we have lost and [TS]

00:01:17 ◼   ► we get lots of feedback for this show [TS]

00:01:19 ◼   ► like I'm really lots of feedback and [TS]

00:01:21 ◼   ► it's great and I love that our listeners [TS]

00:01:23 ◼   ► respect the methods in which the [TS]

00:01:25 ◼   ► feedback should be sent which is loop [TS]

00:01:27 ◼   ► Reddit and Twitter like I love that and [TS]

00:01:28 ◼   ► thank you to everybody that does that [TS]

00:01:30 ◼   ► you make our life so much easier by not [TS]

00:01:32 ◼   ► sending us email I also feel like we [TS]

00:01:34 ◼   ► have a real solutions oriented audience [TS]

00:01:37 ◼   ► oh yeah people are very good at sending [TS]

00:01:40 ◼   ► suggestions for great to use OneNote [TS]

00:01:44 ◼   ► that's the luau man that I love the [TS]

00:01:47 ◼   ► reddit last time people were explaining [TS]

00:01:49 ◼   ► it to you over again Bravo to anybody [TS]

00:01:51 ◼   ► that did that like I love you so much [TS]

00:01:53 ◼   ► that was so funny but I've received more [TS]

00:01:56 ◼   ► feedback about little doing laundry then [TS]

00:01:59 ◼   ► one I ever expected in my life and two [TS]

00:02:02 ◼   ► more than maybe most things we've ever [TS]

00:02:04 ◼   ► gotten about this show I have learned [TS]

00:02:06 ◼   ► more about doing laundry in New York [TS]

00:02:08 ◼   ► City and I think most people that live [TS]

00:02:10 ◼   ► in New York know like so [TS]

00:02:12 ◼   ► anyways like laundromats that I can use [TS]

00:02:15 ◼   ► laundromats that will do this stuff for [TS]

00:02:17 ◼   ► me there are apparently entire services [TS]

00:02:19 ◼   ► created with apps in New York to deal [TS]

00:02:22 ◼   ► with the laundry situation of people in [TS]

00:02:25 ◼   ► New York it feels like New York has a [TS]

00:02:27 ◼   ► particular laundry problem that I [TS]

00:02:29 ◼   ► haven't worked out yet that like there [TS]

00:02:30 ◼   ► uh there needs to be so many solutions [TS]

00:02:33 ◼   ► but there are like apps that you can use [TS]

00:02:35 ◼   ► and then will come and pick it up and [TS]

00:02:37 ◼   ► they'll do it and bring it back oh [TS]

00:02:38 ◼   ► that's fantastic I know there are also a [TS]

00:02:41 ◼   ► couple of people that suggested washing [TS]

00:02:42 ◼   ► my clothes in the sink that's never a [TS]

00:02:46 ◼   ► thing I'm gonna do no I just want to let [TS]

00:02:48 ◼   ► everyone know this like so many things [TS]

00:02:50 ◼   ► have to happen before I will wash my [TS]

00:02:53 ◼   ► clothes in a sink with a box of [TS]

00:02:55 ◼   ► detergent [TS]

00:02:57 ◼   ► I really never want to do that cuz that [TS]

00:02:59 ◼   ► just feels like I don't know like I feel [TS]

00:03:01 ◼   ► like when I get to that situation I've [TS]

00:03:03 ◼   ► exhausted all other options and uh there [TS]

00:03:07 ◼   ► are so many more things I would want to [TS]

00:03:08 ◼   ► try before washing him in the sink [TS]

00:03:10 ◼   ► including like going to a laundromat on [TS]

00:03:13 ◼   ► my own and getting it all wrong like I [TS]

00:03:15 ◼   ► would do that before I wash them in a [TS]

00:03:16 ◼   ► hotel sink I just don't want to do that [TS]

00:03:17 ◼   ► yeah I know that I have on occasion [TS]

00:03:23 ◼   ► washed clothes in a hotel sink I cannot [TS]

00:03:27 ◼   ► remember the details but it was exactly [TS]

00:03:29 ◼   ► this that it's like I would only do this [TS]

00:03:32 ◼   ► under the most dire of circumstances [TS]

00:03:33 ◼   ► that there is no other option left I [TS]

00:03:36 ◼   ► feel like most times that anybody would [TS]

00:03:39 ◼   ► ever do this is a time that they can't [TS]

00:03:41 ◼   ► remember the details like something [TS]

00:03:43 ◼   ► terrible has happened the only option [TS]

00:03:48 ◼   ► they have left to them is to pour some [TS]

00:03:51 ◼   ► powder into a sink and like smoosh it [TS]

00:03:53 ◼   ► around with your hand because I just [TS]

00:03:55 ◼   ► feel like yeah it's not efficient like [TS]

00:03:57 ◼   ► it's not effective I can feel like that [TS]

00:03:58 ◼   ► there is a not effective way of washing [TS]

00:04:00 ◼   ► the clothes either so I feel like that I [TS]

00:04:02 ◼   ► would try other things first [TS]

00:04:04 ◼   ► yeah it's trying to remember what are [TS]

00:04:06 ◼   ► the worst laundry situations I've ever [TS]

00:04:07 ◼   ► had while traveling and it's like I [TS]

00:04:09 ◼   ► can't remember the details of why I wash [TS]

00:04:11 ◼   ► clothes in a sink I know I've thrown out [TS]

00:04:14 ◼   ► clothes on a trip because it's just like [TS]

00:04:16 ◼   ► oh this is terrible like I'm not even [TS]

00:04:18 ◼   ► gonna try to wash these clothes but I [TS]

00:04:20 ◼   ► can't remember why however wash it in a [TS]

00:04:23 ◼   ► sink but it's not a good solution it's [TS]

00:04:24 ◼   ► not a good yeah I feel like I would [TS]

00:04:26 ◼   ► be more inclined to go to like a [TS]

00:04:28 ◼   ► supermarket and buy really cheap [TS]

00:04:30 ◼   ► replacement clothes first you know a bit [TS]

00:04:33 ◼   ► but anyway I'm sure that there are many [TS]

00:04:34 ◼   ► reasons like for example let's imagine [TS]

00:04:36 ◼   ► that I was going on a really important [TS]

00:04:38 ◼   ► business meeting and I somehow spilt [TS]

00:04:40 ◼   ► ketchup on my t-shirt or like on my [TS]

00:04:43 ◼   ► button-down shirt and it's the only one [TS]

00:04:44 ◼   ► that I have and I'm like in a pinch and [TS]

00:04:46 ◼   ► I'm just gonna go to the sink and use [TS]

00:04:48 ◼   ► some sort like you know to get a little [TS]

00:04:49 ◼   ► stain out or something I totally get [TS]

00:04:51 ◼   ► that but the idea of me taking two weeks [TS]

00:04:53 ◼   ► of clothes and throwing them in the [TS]

00:04:54 ◼   ► bathtub as a way to attempt to wash my [TS]

00:04:56 ◼   ► clothes that just doesn't feel like [TS]

00:04:58 ◼   ► something that I want to do like it just [TS]

00:05:01 ◼   ► because where they gonna dry like I [TS]

00:05:03 ◼   ► don't have any way of doing this like I [TS]

00:05:06 ◼   ► totally get that someone might do it for [TS]

00:05:07 ◼   ► one item of clothing one time because of [TS]

00:05:09 ◼   ► a disaster but I was talking like I'm [TS]

00:05:11 ◼   ► talking about all of the clothes that I [TS]

00:05:14 ◼   ► have for like 10 days turning them over [TS]

00:05:16 ◼   ► and I feel like washing them in the sink [TS]

00:05:18 ◼   ► is not the way to do that it doesn't [TS]

00:05:21 ◼   ► scale so okay look against all advice [TS]

00:05:24 ◼   ► that I have received yep from you all of [TS]

00:05:32 ◼   ► the advice that I received people told [TS]

00:05:34 ◼   ► me to use any other solution than [TS]

00:05:38 ◼   ► getting my clothes washed and like [TS]

00:05:41 ◼   ► laundered by the hotel yeah I do want to [TS]

00:05:44 ◼   ► specify that I think I was clear in the [TS]

00:05:45 ◼   ► last episode that getting it washed by [TS]

00:05:47 ◼   ► the hotel is the laziest option that [TS]

00:05:51 ◼   ► this is this is this is why it is also [TS]

00:05:53 ◼   ► my first choice is is laziness okay and [TS]

00:05:56 ◼   ► this is why I did it because this so I I [TS]

00:06:00 ◼   ► in New York City I have my clothes [TS]

00:06:02 ◼   ► laundered by the hotel mm-hmm I did that [TS]

00:06:05 ◼   ► the reason that I did this is like is [TS]

00:06:08 ◼   ► there's there's multiple little reasons [TS]

00:06:09 ◼   ► that all that are up to just laziness it [TS]

00:06:12 ◼   ► was the middle of the week I realized [TS]

00:06:13 ◼   ► that I my planning and not been good and [TS]

00:06:15 ◼   ► I ran out of clothes quicker than I [TS]

00:06:17 ◼   ► expected yep it was like the middle of [TS]

00:06:19 ◼   ► the week that I was in New York had [TS]

00:06:20 ◼   ► already been in America for nearly ten [TS]

00:06:22 ◼   ► days at this point I ran out of clothes [TS]

00:06:24 ◼   ► faster than expected because also the [TS]

00:06:27 ◼   ► weather wasn't as I planned it for so I [TS]

00:06:30 ◼   ► needed to have my clothes washed I was [TS]

00:06:32 ◼   ► heading out to a meeting and it would [TS]

00:06:36 ◼   ► have just been so much easier for me to [TS]

00:06:38 ◼   ► have the clothes [TS]

00:06:40 ◼   ► completed by the time that I returned in [TS]

00:06:42 ◼   ► the evening rather than having to [TS]

00:06:44 ◼   ► somehow find a space in either that day [TS]

00:06:46 ◼   ► or the next day and then like needing to [TS]

00:06:48 ◼   ► wear dirty clothes and it just was like [TS]

00:06:50 ◼   ► I'm just gonna get it done by the hotel [TS]

00:06:53 ◼   ► this was a mistake [TS]

00:06:54 ◼   ► this was a big mistake did they not [TS]

00:06:57 ◼   ► clean your clothes they cleaned them [TS]

00:06:59 ◼   ► great I'll put a picture in our show [TS]

00:07:02 ◼   ► notes which will also include for our [TS]

00:07:04 ◼   ► listeners of how the clothes were [TS]

00:07:05 ◼   ► returned for me oh yes look at that yeah [TS]

00:07:08 ◼   ► you got that you get the nice little [TS]

00:07:09 ◼   ► wrapped box with blue ribbon on them [TS]

00:07:11 ◼   ► which was very nice you know why you get [TS]

00:07:13 ◼   ► your clothes in a little box with [TS]

00:07:14 ◼   ► ribbons around it because of how much [TS]

00:07:17 ◼   ► they charge you great why so it is oh it [TS]

00:07:19 ◼   ► feels fancy and you know what this is a [TS]

00:07:22 ◼   ► trick that totally works on me every [TS]

00:07:23 ◼   ► time I have it done in a hotel my whole [TS]

00:07:25 ◼   ► like when it when the laundry comes back [TS]

00:07:27 ◼   ► in the little box with some tissue paper [TS]

00:07:30 ◼   ► around it I think look at this I got to [TS]

00:07:32 ◼   ► feel like a mr. fancy-pants when I came [TS]

00:07:34 ◼   ► back exactly that was until I take the [TS]

00:07:36 ◼   ► first box off the top and I am left with [TS]

00:07:40 ◼   ► the bill hmm so leading up to this point [TS]

00:07:44 ◼   ► a couple of things occurred so you have [TS]

00:07:47 ◼   ► to complete the the order yourself you [TS]

00:07:49 ◼   ► taught up all the things that you're [TS]

00:07:51 ◼   ► giving through them give them a total [TS]

00:07:52 ◼   ► and then you add it all right how many [TS]

00:07:54 ◼   ► socks how many shirts [TS]

00:07:55 ◼   ► Miera one problem that I had is there [TS]

00:07:58 ◼   ► was no t-shirts entry on this form so I [TS]

00:08:02 ◼   ► went with undershirts as a thing so I [TS]

00:08:06 ◼   ► figured that's the closest to a t-shirt [TS]

00:08:08 ◼   ► like this isn't a button-down shirt you [TS]

00:08:10 ◼   ► don't need to be careful with it you [TS]

00:08:11 ◼   ► don't need to fold it in a specific way [TS]

00:08:13 ◼   ► yeah so I figured I'll go with [TS]

00:08:14 ◼   ► undershirt the hotel decided that they [TS]

00:08:17 ◼   ► would plaster Miss t-shirts and then [TS]

00:08:19 ◼   ► create a price entry which is about [TS]

00:08:21 ◼   ► twice the amount so when I was filling [TS]

00:08:26 ◼   ► out the form it was already expensive [TS]

00:08:29 ◼   ► but when it came back it was far too [TS]

00:08:34 ◼   ► expensive and of course these forms say [TS]

00:08:36 ◼   ► whatever we say you pay absolutely so I [TS]

00:08:41 ◼   ► am embarrassed [TS]

00:08:43 ◼   ► very embarrassed by the amount of money [TS]

00:08:46 ◼   ► that I had to spend getting my laundry [TS]

00:08:50 ◼   ► done I have learned a very valuable life [TS]

00:08:54 ◼   ► lesson and I also think that the [TS]

00:08:57 ◼   ► majority of my clothes were ever so [TS]

00:08:59 ◼   ► slightly smaller then when they were [TS]

00:09:02 ◼   ► sent off and of course the form also [TS]

00:09:04 ◼   ► says Yolo that might happen right like [TS]

00:09:08 ◼   ► you who might shrink a little bit so [TS]

00:09:11 ◼   ► right they bear no responsibility for [TS]

00:09:13 ◼   ► the laundry that they are cleaning so I [TS]

00:09:15 ◼   ► I will I will [TS]

00:09:16 ◼   ► stand with my arms extended like out to [TS]

00:09:20 ◼   ► my sides to all listeners and say you [TS]

00:09:23 ◼   ► were right and I was wrong and I am [TS]

00:09:25 ◼   ► stupid for doing this because I spent an [TS]

00:09:29 ◼   ► embarrassing amount of money to have my [TS]

00:09:33 ◼   ► clothes slightly shrunk that's what I [TS]

00:09:36 ◼   ► did and I will never do this again I [TS]

00:09:39 ◼   ► haven't worked out what I'm gonna do [TS]

00:09:41 ◼   ► well ok I will never do this again for [TS]

00:09:43 ◼   ► the amount of clothes that I did it for [TS]

00:09:46 ◼   ► mmm right ok so if I have like a shirt [TS]

00:09:51 ◼   ► that needs to be ironed and pressed and [TS]

00:09:53 ◼   ► all that I may pay $10 to get that done [TS]

00:09:56 ◼   ► but like I had a week's worth of clothes [TS]

00:09:59 ◼   ► cleaned I'm never gonna do that again by [TS]

00:10:01 ◼   ► the hotel that's like if I need to do it [TS]

00:10:05 ◼   ► so it might be in a hotel time going to [TS]

00:10:07 ◼   ► next I will check the prices and if it's [TS]

00:10:09 ◼   ► very cheap for some silly reason it's [TS]

00:10:11 ◼   ► not going to be but it's never going to [TS]

00:10:13 ◼   ► be it's never is never going to be after [TS]

00:10:15 ◼   ► this I started looking into a little bit [TS]

00:10:17 ◼   ► more like why is it the price that it is [TS]

00:10:19 ◼   ► and it turns out because businesspeople [TS]

00:10:21 ◼   ► get this stuff done and just charge it [TS]

00:10:24 ◼   ► to their company and then they're good [TS]

00:10:26 ◼   ► to go [TS]

00:10:26 ◼   ► right because it's all expenses based so [TS]

00:10:29 ◼   ► nobody cares how much it costs is really [TS]

00:10:30 ◼   ► going to be covering the cost of your [TS]

00:10:32 ◼   ► laundry Mike there is no way that I [TS]

00:10:34 ◼   ► would present this bill to my company [TS]

00:10:36 ◼   ► purely because it would be laughed at [TS]

00:10:40 ◼   ► and I would never receive the money [TS]

00:10:42 ◼   ► [Laughter] [TS]

00:10:45 ◼   ► I don't know Mike I just this is the [TS]

00:10:48 ◼   ► lazy option the lazy option as is so [TS]

00:10:51 ◼   ► always the case the expensive option I [TS]

00:10:53 ◼   ► expected that right I expected it to be [TS]

00:10:57 ◼   ► to being more expensive so now I guess I [TS]

00:11:00 ◼   ► guess what I need to know here Mike is [TS]

00:11:02 ◼   ► what's the number because I feel like I [TS]

00:11:05 ◼   ► feel like you're you're squirmy and [TS]

00:11:07 ◼   ► evasive over the microphone I can't do [TS]

00:11:09 ◼   ► it great I can't I can't I cannot tell [TS]

00:11:12 ◼   ► the world the amount of money this cost [TS]

00:11:14 ◼   ► me I can't do it [TS]

00:11:15 ◼   ► you you have a real you have a real [TS]

00:11:17 ◼   ► emotional attachments to the cost of [TS]

00:11:19 ◼   ► your laundry here Mike it's the [TS]

00:11:21 ◼   ► embarrassment of it I think yeah but I [TS]

00:11:23 ◼   ► feel like you need to cleanse your soul [TS]

00:11:25 ◼   ► of this of this number I'll tell you so [TS]

00:11:29 ◼   ► I want to just tell you okay I have [TS]

00:11:30 ◼   ► maybe 70 shirts a pair of shorts maybe [TS]

00:11:34 ◼   ► six or seven pairs of under shorts as [TS]

00:11:36 ◼   ► they were named rich I found funny and [TS]

00:11:39 ◼   ► at like a handful of socks and one [TS]

00:11:40 ◼   ► button-down shirt that was kind of the [TS]

00:11:42 ◼   ► the total amount of items that I had [TS]

00:11:44 ◼   ► cleaned okay all right are you ready I'm [TS]

00:11:47 ◼   ► ready [TS]

00:11:48 ◼   ► follows today's episode of cortex is [TS]

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00:12:07 ◼   ► Casper team are just a bunch of [TS]

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00:12:50 ◼   ► so much of our lives on a mattress it's [TS]

00:12:51 ◼   ► nice to get the feel for it before [TS]

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00:13:05 ◼   ► nights and then decide if that Casper [TS]

00:13:07 ◼   ► mattress is gonna be right for you with [TS]

00:13:09 ◼   ► Casper you get to sleep on that mattress [TS]

00:13:11 ◼   ► before you make your decision which is [TS]

00:13:13 ◼   ► so important and you can take advantage [TS]

00:13:14 ◼   ► of all the technology developed so you [TS]

00:13:16 ◼   ► can sleep nice and comfortably keep nice [TS]

00:13:18 ◼   ► and cool at night that's what the Casper [TS]

00:13:19 ◼   ► mattress is all about if you don't love [TS]

00:13:21 ◼   ► it they'll pick it up and refund you [TS]

00:13:23 ◼   ► everything give $50 towards any mattress [TS]

00:13:25 ◼   ► purchase by going to kasa.com slash [TS]

00:13:27 ◼   ► cortex and using cortex at checkout [TS]

00:13:30 ◼   ► terms and conditions apply I'd like to [TS]

00:13:31 ◼   ► thank Casper for their support of this [TS]

00:13:33 ◼   ► show yeah I don't know that's getting [TS]

00:13:36 ◼   ► your laundry done in New York I think [TS]

00:13:38 ◼   ► that seems too crazy I can't tell people [TS]

00:13:41 ◼   ► the amount of money look Mike if you [TS]

00:13:44 ◼   ► need to you could you can bleep that out [TS]

00:13:45 ◼   ► right but you won't you also have the [TS]

00:13:48 ◼   ► problem that what I didn't specify last [TS]

00:13:50 ◼   ► time when I was giving you the advice [TS]

00:13:51 ◼   ► about do they do the laundry at the [TS]

00:13:52 ◼   ► hotel I'm used to really big numbers [TS]

00:13:54 ◼   ► here because I'm always the guy doing [TS]

00:13:57 ◼   ► the rush job with the laundry because [TS]

00:13:59 ◼   ► when I'm traveling I feel like this this [TS]

00:14:01 ◼   ► is again this for me is one of these [TS]

00:14:02 ◼   ► cases where when I am traveling [TS]

00:14:05 ◼   ► especially in the last couple of years [TS]

00:14:07 ◼   ► it is largely for business or for [TS]

00:14:09 ◼   ► particular purpose and I feel like my [TS]

00:14:12 ◼   ► time is valuable in a place and also I [TS]

00:14:14 ◼   ► just can't deal with the details of [TS]

00:14:16 ◼   ► anything and so I am often in the [TS]

00:14:18 ◼   ► situation where I have totally forgotten [TS]

00:14:20 ◼   ► about laundry until the last possible [TS]

00:14:21 ◼   ► second and then not only am i filling [TS]

00:14:25 ◼   ► out their ridiculously mafioso monopoly [TS]

00:14:28 ◼   ► expensive form about how much the [TS]

00:14:30 ◼   ► laundry is going to cost [TS]

00:14:31 ◼   ► I also tick the box which says I need it [TS]

00:14:34 ◼   ► as soon as you can which as far as I can [TS]

00:14:36 ◼   ► tell just gives them a license to write [TS]

00:14:38 ◼   ► whatever number they can name but in the [TS]

00:14:40 ◼   ► little laundry okay so I really wish I [TS]

00:14:43 ◼   ► would have been given this little piece [TS]

00:14:44 ◼   ► of information because the thing is I [TS]

00:14:47 ◼   ► agree with everything you say I think [TS]

00:14:48 ◼   ► that part of the reason we're able to [TS]

00:14:51 ◼   ► have these conversations is I agree with [TS]

00:14:53 ◼   ► that logic right like right I had stuff [TS]

00:14:55 ◼   ► to do I didn't have the time which is [TS]

00:14:57 ◼   ► why I got it done in the first place but [TS]

00:14:59 ◼   ► I just don't think that I was mentally [TS]

00:15:00 ◼   ► prepared for the amount of money this is [TS]

00:15:02 ◼   ► going to cost me [TS]

00:15:05 ◼   ► if I have the amount of money out the [TS]

00:15:09 ◼   ► listener just understand that I just [TS]

00:15:12 ◼   ► don't want you to think bad of me right [TS]

00:15:15 ◼   ► understand that I was a man caught out [TS]

00:15:19 ◼   ► by a system in which he could not [TS]

00:15:22 ◼   ► control and he did something silly and [TS]

00:15:25 ◼   ► he's never gonna do it again and we can [TS]

00:15:27 ◼   ► all make mistakes because now I have [TS]

00:15:29 ◼   ► done more washing and I have completed [TS]

00:15:32 ◼   ► that washing in the home of my [TS]

00:15:34 ◼   ► co-founder and I have used really weird [TS]

00:15:36 ◼   ► machines that American people have it's [TS]

00:15:39 ◼   ► like for example we were talking about [TS]

00:15:42 ◼   ► doing you know Ethan was helping me with [TS]

00:15:44 ◼   ► his washing machine and I was like yeah [TS]

00:15:46 ◼   ► I usually set it to 30 degrees it's like [TS]

00:15:48 ◼   ► I can't I'd have no idea I can't help [TS]

00:15:49 ◼   ► you this machine doesn't go by [TS]

00:15:51 ◼   ► temperature like this and like just [TS]

00:15:55 ◼   ► things like how did when I was loading [TS]

00:15:57 ◼   ► the washing machine water was already in [TS]

00:15:58 ◼   ► the machine what is this voodoo I don't [TS]

00:16:01 ◼   ► understand like I put with my washing [TS]

00:16:05 ◼   ► machine everything goes in I closed the [TS]

00:16:06 ◼   ► door I choose to temperature and I press [TS]

00:16:08 ◼   ► go and then it starts I was adding [TS]

00:16:10 ◼   ► laundry to a machine that was already [TS]

00:16:12 ◼   ► motioned oh yeah okay I got yeah that's [TS]

00:16:16 ◼   ► one of those it's one of those a [TS]

00:16:17 ◼   ► top-loading agitator yeah I know that [TS]

00:16:19 ◼   ► this is what I can't understand [TS]

00:16:21 ◼   ► like I just I don't this is what I knew [TS]

00:16:23 ◼   ► was gonna happen to me if I tried to do [TS]

00:16:24 ◼   ► it on my own that I would be faced with [TS]

00:16:26 ◼   ► by one of these machines that I don't [TS]

00:16:27 ◼   ► understand how to use no it's it's great [TS]

00:16:30 ◼   ► it's like it's like a cement mixer you [TS]

00:16:32 ◼   ► know you can just keep throwing more [TS]

00:16:33 ◼   ► stuff in the laundry machine goes it's [TS]

00:16:35 ◼   ► fans that seats but do you understand [TS]

00:16:37 ◼   ► like I'm showing you have used a [TS]

00:16:39 ◼   ► European style machine or like machines [TS]

00:16:42 ◼   ► I'm sure they exist in America I have [TS]

00:16:44 ◼   ► one not not five feet away from where [TS]

00:16:47 ◼   ► I'm recording this podcast but do you do [TS]

00:16:49 ◼   ► not do you say like why I have been [TS]

00:16:50 ◼   ► apprehensive about this cuz it's it's [TS]

00:16:52 ◼   ► effectively using a machine type that [TS]

00:16:54 ◼   ► I've never used before for the only [TS]

00:16:57 ◼   ► clothes that I own here right like I'm [TS]

00:17:00 ◼   ► putting everything that I can wear into [TS]

00:17:02 ◼   ► a machine I don't understand you seem to [TS]

00:17:03 ◼   ► have some psychological issues around [TS]

00:17:05 ◼   ► laundry while I'm I'm I'm happy to make [TS]

00:17:07 ◼   ► fun of you publicly and privately for [TS]

00:17:10 ◼   ► these laundry issues that you seem to [TS]

00:17:11 ◼   ► have I also again totally get it that [TS]

00:17:15 ◼   ► this is the kind of thing that when [TS]

00:17:16 ◼   ► you're traveling [TS]

00:17:17 ◼   ► is more anxiety inducing than it would [TS]

00:17:19 ◼   ► be otherwise it's not something that you [TS]

00:17:21 ◼   ► really want to deal with because you [TS]

00:17:23 ◼   ► have other things that you're doing and [TS]

00:17:25 ◼   ► and you just like little things that are [TS]

00:17:28 ◼   ► different can be surprisingly dear [TS]

00:17:29 ◼   ► ailing when you're traveling so I I I [TS]

00:17:33 ◼   ► will make fun of you but I am also [TS]

00:17:34 ◼   ► underneath I am sympathetic I'm not a [TS]

00:17:37 ◼   ► Luddite I can what I can work these [TS]

00:17:40 ◼   ► things out but it is the idea of like I [TS]

00:17:43 ◼   ► just want it to be done and I don't want [TS]

00:17:46 ◼   ► anything to go wrong right I did this is [TS]

00:17:49 ◼   ► the thing so I don't know how I'm going [TS]

00:17:52 ◼   ► to wash my clothes for the rest of my [TS]

00:17:53 ◼   ► trip when I'm back in New York but I [TS]

00:17:55 ◼   ► know I'm not using the hotel I'm prime [TS]

00:17:58 ◼   ► next up I'm gonna look into these [TS]

00:17:59 ◼   ► services that will apparently come and [TS]

00:18:02 ◼   ► collect my clothes because people tell [TS]

00:18:03 ◼   ► me that this stuff is not as expensive [TS]

00:18:05 ◼   ► as it might seem to be so what I know is [TS]

00:18:08 ◼   ► it's not gonna be more expensive than [TS]

00:18:10 ◼   ► giving it done in the hotel well I mean [TS]

00:18:12 ◼   ► like a nap sounds fantastic for laundry [TS]

00:18:14 ◼   ► and and that also seems the case of [TS]

00:18:16 ◼   ► there is actual competition there which [TS]

00:18:19 ◼   ► could drive down the prices there is and [TS]

00:18:21 ◼   ► there's also economies of scale that a [TS]

00:18:23 ◼   ► hotel doesn't have in the same way for [TS]

00:18:25 ◼   ► doing the laundry so this this this [TS]

00:18:27 ◼   ► seems great I remember vaguely wondering [TS]

00:18:29 ◼   ► if they were apps that could do your [TS]

00:18:31 ◼   ► laundry for you and it sounds like they [TS]

00:18:33 ◼   ► exist in New York at the very least and [TS]

00:18:35 ◼   ► I will I will probably look after this [TS]

00:18:37 ◼   ► podcast to see if they exist in London I [TS]

00:18:39 ◼   ► think they do actually amazing so part [TS]

00:18:44 ◼   ► of all of this why the laundry is such a [TS]

00:18:46 ◼   ► big thing is it's like disruption to my [TS]

00:18:50 ◼   ► life whilst I am in a situation where [TS]

00:18:52 ◼   ► I'm in a place for work you know yeah [TS]

00:18:56 ◼   ► what we have lovingly referred to as [TS]

00:18:58 ◼   ► grey kay shion's like I'm here in [TS]

00:19:00 ◼   ► different places and I'm I have my [TS]

00:19:03 ◼   ► regular work commitments to keep up with [TS]

00:19:05 ◼   ► lost additional things that I'm doing [TS]

00:19:06 ◼   ► I've decided that I would like to refer [TS]

00:19:09 ◼   ► to this in my past as a Hurley day as [TS]

00:19:12 ◼   ► and you have your gradations and I have [TS]

00:19:15 ◼   ► my Hurley days that's how they work and [TS]

00:19:17 ◼   ► so that's what I have been on like over [TS]

00:19:20 ◼   ► the last couple of weeks and this is [TS]

00:19:21 ◼   ► still gonna continue but during these [TS]

00:19:22 ◼   ► times like you I kind of I don't have my [TS]

00:19:26 ◼   ► usual things around me so I just when I [TS]

00:19:28 ◼   ► have to deal with like what would be a [TS]

00:19:30 ◼   ► chore right [TS]

00:19:31 ◼   ► could my regular chores I want it to be [TS]

00:19:35 ◼   ► easy because I don't have my way of [TS]

00:19:37 ◼   ► doing it like my muscle memory just the [TS]

00:19:40 ◼   ► things I don't have to think about I [TS]

00:19:42 ◼   ► don't want them to be things I now have [TS]

00:19:44 ◼   ► to think about because I'm already [TS]

00:19:46 ◼   ► adding additional work into my life by [TS]

00:19:49 ◼   ► being here it's the one of the reasons [TS]

00:19:50 ◼   ► I'm here I don't want to then have to [TS]

00:19:52 ◼   ► add this whole other layer of like [TS]

00:19:55 ◼   ► relearning how to do things that I [TS]

00:19:58 ◼   ► already know how to do right yeah well [TS]

00:20:02 ◼   ► when you're traveling you have less [TS]

00:20:03 ◼   ► ability to deal with disruption [TS]

00:20:04 ◼   ► especially if you change countries like [TS]

00:20:07 ◼   ► I was I was trying in Germany a while [TS]

00:20:09 ◼   ► ago and and a couple of things came up [TS]

00:20:11 ◼   ► that I need to I need to do some [TS]

00:20:12 ◼   ► essentially some errand to type things [TS]

00:20:14 ◼   ► and realize immediately I have no idea [TS]

00:20:17 ◼   ► what stores to go to to accomplish these [TS]

00:20:18 ◼   ► errands right or it was in in London to [TS]

00:20:21 ◼   ► be like oh I just need to pop into a [TS]

00:20:22 ◼   ► boots right I could I can just do this [TS]

00:20:24 ◼   ► or I'll I'll go I'll go to a Walgreens [TS]

00:20:26 ◼   ► in America right you use boots because [TS]

00:20:28 ◼   ► to an American this is like it's like [TS]

00:20:30 ◼   ► the most English sounding store that our [TS]

00:20:34 ◼   ► equivalent of Walmart is called boots [TS]

00:20:36 ◼   ► that's what it's called [TS]

00:20:38 ◼   ► we have boots yeah I said that it's a [TS]

00:20:40 ◼   ► it's a Walgreens okay yeah no I get [TS]

00:20:44 ◼   ► those confused because they have the [TS]

00:20:45 ◼   ► exact same start to their name it's yeah [TS]

00:20:47 ◼   ► Walgreens like it's like a big chemist [TS]

00:20:49 ◼   ► that also does some other stuff yeah [TS]

00:20:51 ◼   ► exactly [TS]

00:20:52 ◼   ► it's it's the miscellaneous store that [TS]

00:20:54 ◼   ► has a whole bunch of stuff and yeah so I [TS]

00:20:56 ◼   ► remember like I was just in Germany I'm [TS]

00:20:58 ◼   ► like I have no idea where to go for a [TS]

00:21:01 ◼   ► bunch of these tiny items that I know [TS]

00:21:02 ◼   ► would be all together at it boots but [TS]

00:21:05 ◼   ► now this is turning into a big hassle [TS]

00:21:07 ◼   ► it's like like how do I search on maps [TS]

00:21:09 ◼   ► for where to buy q-tips like I don't [TS]

00:21:11 ◼   ► understand how do I find this piece of [TS]

00:21:13 ◼   ► information search for the contents of a [TS]

00:21:18 ◼   ► store rygel maps yeah that is what I [TS]

00:21:22 ◼   ► want that is what I want I need scotch [TS]

00:21:23 ◼   ► tape where do i acquire this item right [TS]

00:21:27 ◼   ► idea these are the things I'm just not I [TS]

00:21:30 ◼   ► just don't want to do Plus and kind of [TS]

00:21:32 ◼   ► like just makes things more difficult [TS]

00:21:33 ◼   ► and I have had something happen to me [TS]

00:21:36 ◼   ► gray which has ruined all of my systems [TS]

00:21:39 ◼   ► and I don't know what to do [TS]

00:21:42 ◼   ► I have lost two button-down shirts [TS]

00:21:45 ◼   ► somehow on this trip whoo [TS]

00:21:47 ◼   ► now this is not the end of the world [TS]

00:21:50 ◼   ► when I go back to New York I'm gonna go [TS]

00:21:52 ◼   ► to a store and I'm gonna buy myself a [TS]

00:21:54 ◼   ► new shirt my problem is I didn't know I [TS]

00:21:57 ◼   ► had lost them I'm supposed to have a [TS]

00:22:00 ◼   ► system that prevents this the system has [TS]

00:22:03 ◼   ► failed [TS]

00:22:03 ◼   ► what do you count your shirts out in any [TS]

00:22:06 ◼   ► of your suitcase every time like a bike [TS]

00:22:08 ◼   ► hacking system right like a system of [TS]

00:22:11 ◼   ► packing and when I leave a hotel a [TS]

00:22:13 ◼   ► system of checking a one of those have [TS]

00:22:17 ◼   ► failed me to the point where I have lost [TS]

00:22:19 ◼   ► 2/3 of the shirts that I brought with me [TS]

00:22:21 ◼   ► and I don't know how this happened [TS]

00:22:25 ◼   ► because I have a memory of not removing [TS]

00:22:29 ◼   ► them from my suitcase so where are they [TS]

00:22:31 ◼   ► right like that I have been I have been [TS]

00:22:33 ◼   ► honestly losing my mind about this over [TS]

00:22:35 ◼   ► the last couple of days because I cannot [TS]

00:22:37 ◼   ► work out where they are plus I have this [TS]

00:22:41 ◼   ► whole conspiracy theory thing going on [TS]

00:22:43 ◼   ► as well oh okay okay well I mean before [TS]

00:22:46 ◼   ► before like but before we get to your [TS]

00:22:49 ◼   ► conspiracy theory I think I think it is [TS]

00:22:51 ◼   ► good advice for anybody traveling that [TS]

00:22:54 ◼   ► you just assume that as you move around [TS]

00:22:58 ◼   ► you leave behind you a detritus of the [TS]

00:23:02 ◼   ► objects that you have brought with you [TS]

00:23:04 ◼   ► and it's impossible to track them [TS]

00:23:06 ◼   ► perfectly like you always leave stuff [TS]

00:23:08 ◼   ► behind [TS]

00:23:09 ◼   ► yeah so just I don't know this is the [TS]

00:23:11 ◼   ► case but like shirts the reason this is [TS]

00:23:14 ◼   ► concerning for me pants yeah people [TS]

00:23:16 ◼   ► sometimes you leave them up no no that [TS]

00:23:18 ◼   ► doesn't happen please that that's not [TS]

00:23:20 ◼   ► the thing um the reason this is [TS]

00:23:22 ◼   ► concerning for me is because the system [TS]

00:23:24 ◼   ► in which I use to make sure that I have [TS]

00:23:27 ◼   ► packed my clothing is the same system in [TS]

00:23:29 ◼   ► which I use to ensure that I've packed [TS]

00:23:31 ◼   ► everything and on this trip I have a lot [TS]

00:23:34 ◼   ► of relatively expensive audio equipment [TS]

00:23:37 ◼   ► that is not easy to replace in a flash I [TS]

00:23:40 ◼   ► may not realize I have lost something in [TS]

00:23:43 ◼   ► this whole setup until it is too late [TS]

00:23:46 ◼   ► and I am about to record a show so like [TS]

00:23:49 ◼   ► this is my concern right it's not that I [TS]

00:23:52 ◼   ► have lost the shirts because shirts are [TS]

00:23:54 ◼   ► replaceable [TS]

00:23:55 ◼   ► easily and also I can just wear [TS]

00:23:57 ◼   ► something else right like I'm fine but [TS]

00:24:00 ◼   ► it is the concern that I have now that [TS]

00:24:02 ◼   ► my system and my mental models are [TS]

00:24:04 ◼   ► making sure I have packed everything [TS]

00:24:05 ◼   ► have failed me and that could result in [TS]

00:24:08 ◼   ► the losing of something more important [TS]

00:24:10 ◼   ► when I am only half way through this and [TS]

00:24:12 ◼   ► I have lost a significant amount of [TS]

00:24:15 ◼   ► things are heavy [TS]

00:24:15 ◼   ► Oh what's with your plan of action [TS]

00:24:18 ◼   ► something else may be lost gray and I [TS]

00:24:20 ◼   ► just don't know what it is yet [TS]

00:24:21 ◼   ► I mean you'll find out at an [TS]

00:24:23 ◼   ► inconvenient moment but what is your [TS]

00:24:24 ◼   ► what's your plan of action here Mike I [TS]

00:24:26 ◼   ► don't have one okay did your system [TS]

00:24:30 ◼   ► involve touching each of the shirts and [TS]

00:24:32 ◼   ► counting them as you packed and unpacked [TS]

00:24:34 ◼   ► them well no because I didn't have a [TS]

00:24:36 ◼   ► number associated to these things so [TS]

00:24:38 ◼   ► maybe now I know how to do that but it's [TS]

00:24:40 ◼   ► already too late now right because I can [TS]

00:24:42 ◼   ► count the number of things that I have [TS]

00:24:44 ◼   ► but it doesn't mean I have everything [TS]

00:24:45 ◼   ► this is the problem I can only fix this [TS]

00:24:48 ◼   ► for the next time I leave home for where [TS]

00:24:51 ◼   ► I am now I can count everything that I [TS]

00:24:53 ◼   ► have and it will help me for the rest of [TS]

00:24:54 ◼   ► the trip but I can't count what's [TS]

00:24:56 ◼   ► already lost and who knows what's lost [TS]

00:24:58 ◼   ► it could be everything I think it's very [TS]

00:25:01 ◼   ► unlikely it's everything like I think [TS]

00:25:03 ◼   ► you have a suitcase full of things I [TS]

00:25:04 ◼   ► live with shouting a suitcase right now [TS]

00:25:06 ◼   ► I feel like you have been traveling too [TS]

00:25:09 ◼   ► long this is ver this is a very long [TS]

00:25:11 ◼   ► trip for you and I many hard they were [TS]

00:25:14 ◼   ► spiraling out of control right that's it [TS]

00:25:18 ◼   ► that's what this is like this I feel [TS]

00:25:20 ◼   ► like I'm listening to a man on the edge [TS]

00:25:22 ◼   ► and it's like oh poor Mike he was not [TS]

00:25:25 ◼   ► meant to travel by himself for this long [TS]

00:25:26 ◼   ► I was supposed to and yeah this is I [TS]

00:25:30 ◼   ► don't know how you felt the first time [TS]

00:25:32 ◼   ► you did this but like I have ramped up [TS]

00:25:35 ◼   ► significantly right the most I have ever [TS]

00:25:37 ◼   ► been away is like a week at a time and I [TS]

00:25:39 ◼   ► went for five I feel like I maybe went [TS]

00:25:41 ◼   ► III I hurtled towards the Sun gray and I [TS]

00:25:45 ◼   ► think I got burnt a little bit along the [TS]

00:25:47 ◼   ► way I can't say that I'm too surprised [TS]

00:25:50 ◼   ► because we have had some conversations [TS]

00:25:54 ◼   ► about our various like relations with [TS]

00:25:57 ◼   ► people like and socializing and all the [TS]

00:25:59 ◼   ► rest of this and [TS]

00:26:01 ◼   ► you what you have always said things [TS]

00:26:03 ◼   ► that make me make me think like maybe [TS]

00:26:05 ◼   ► you shouldn't be alone for a really long [TS]

00:26:06 ◼   ► time you're like oh you've asked me oh [TS]

00:26:08 ◼   ► don't get lonely so I I haven't been [TS]

00:26:11 ◼   ► spending the amount of time alone you [TS]

00:26:13 ◼   ► spend we'll talk about that in a bit but [TS]

00:26:15 ◼   ► like the way that I have structured [TS]

00:26:16 ◼   ► these trips I'm not alone so much mm-hmm [TS]

00:26:19 ◼   ► it's just away from my usual norms I [TS]

00:26:22 ◼   ► think is the problem for me and I've [TS]

00:26:24 ◼   ► never done it but five weeks is too much [TS]

00:26:26 ◼   ► you're a creature of habit then perhaps [TS]

00:26:29 ◼   ► yeah maybe [TS]

00:26:30 ◼   ► and you're all frazzled at the edges [TS]

00:26:32 ◼   ► you've got your first sticking up in [TS]

00:26:35 ◼   ► funny directions like you're all [TS]

00:26:36 ◼   ► ungroomed and then missing two shirts I [TS]

00:26:38 ◼   ► was fine until the shots the shirts were [TS]

00:26:41 ◼   ► what pushed me over the edge because now [TS]

00:26:43 ◼   ► it's like the things that I think are [TS]

00:26:45 ◼   ► written down and set in stone they're [TS]

00:26:47 ◼   ► failing me now and to me I don't know [TS]

00:26:49 ◼   ► what to do I go I'm just worried that [TS]

00:26:51 ◼   ► you you're gonna like in another week [TS]

00:26:53 ◼   ► you're going to be like an obsessive [TS]

00:26:55 ◼   ► compulsive vampire constantly counting [TS]

00:26:57 ◼   ► and recounting all of the things in your [TS]

00:26:59 ◼   ► suitcase but I don't know what to tell [TS]

00:27:01 ◼   ► you man because you've got another two [TS]

00:27:03 ◼   ► weeks to go I enjoyed your choice of [TS]

00:27:05 ◼   ► vampire that was good foreshadowing it [TS]

00:27:08 ◼   ► is foreshadowing foreshadows yeah okay [TS]

00:27:11 ◼   ► so I have one week and two days until it [TS]

00:27:15 ◼   ► all gets better again and then I have [TS]

00:27:17 ◼   ► another week because in one week in two [TS]

00:27:19 ◼   ► days the dinner is coming to join me and [TS]

00:27:20 ◼   ► then she can sort me out right okay I [TS]

00:27:23 ◼   ► can be fixed by this point she's just [TS]

00:27:25 ◼   ► she's already saying to me that like my [TS]

00:27:28 ◼   ► as you can imagine my reaction to the [TS]

00:27:31 ◼   ► shots I am overreacting I am very aware [TS]

00:27:34 ◼   ► of the fact I am overreacting but there [TS]

00:27:36 ◼   ► is nothing I can do about it now I am in [TS]

00:27:38 ◼   ► like that I'm in the zone I know that [TS]

00:27:40 ◼   ► losing a shirt shouldn't spiral you out [TS]

00:27:42 ◼   ► of control but there's nothing I can [TS]

00:27:44 ◼   ► talk about this it is true that telling [TS]

00:27:47 ◼   ► someone they are overreacting is exactly [TS]

00:27:50 ◼   ► zero percent useful because I know I am [TS]

00:27:52 ◼   ► already exactly right the people who are [TS]

00:27:54 ◼   ► the people who are overreacting they [TS]

00:27:56 ◼   ► often know that's not the problem it's [TS]

00:27:58 ◼   ► not a knowledge problem it's it's a [TS]

00:28:01 ◼   ► something else problem you don't even [TS]

00:28:03 ◼   ► know about my conspiracy theory yeah [TS]

00:28:04 ◼   ► well yeah I was I was going to circle [TS]

00:28:06 ◼   ► back to this and gonna let that casual [TS]

00:28:11 ◼   ► comment [TS]

00:28:12 ◼   ► go on mind for podcast contents of of [TS]

00:28:16 ◼   ► how is Mike losing his mind while [TS]

00:28:19 ◼   ► travelling for an entire - I shouldn't [TS]

00:28:21 ◼   ► be talking to you about this should have [TS]

00:28:24 ◼   ► stayed in oh oh no do you want to know [TS]

00:28:28 ◼   ► do me to tell you what happen you have [TS]

00:28:30 ◼   ► to tell me all right what this [TS]

00:28:31 ◼   ► conspiracy thing is I arrived in New [TS]

00:28:33 ◼   ► York City just as Mike I arrived in New [TS]

00:28:36 ◼   ► York City at Penn Station and I had to [TS]

00:28:40 ◼   ► get to Times Square mm-hmm I arrived in [TS]

00:28:43 ◼   ► New York City - atrocious rain like it [TS]

00:28:47 ◼   ► was really badly raining named mm-hmm [TS]

00:28:50 ◼   ► I have a really heavy suitcase I made my [TS]

00:28:54 ◼   ► way to the subway my first I think it's [TS]

00:28:58 ◼   ► the first time I ever rode the subway on [TS]

00:28:59 ◼   ► my own and that's like a whole other [TS]

00:29:01 ◼   ► thing about how confusing I find in New [TS]

00:29:03 ◼   ► York subway compared to the London Tube [TS]

00:29:05 ◼   ► I will give you that one like even as [TS]

00:29:08 ◼   ► someone who had experience with the New [TS]

00:29:09 ◼   ► York subway as a much younger self it is [TS]

00:29:13 ◼   ► is a much less user-friendly situation [TS]

00:29:17 ◼   ► than the London Underground I won't [TS]

00:29:18 ◼   ► necessarily say more difficult I'll just [TS]

00:29:20 ◼   ► say less user-friendly I think is the [TS]

00:29:22 ◼   ► way I would put it I have become more [TS]

00:29:24 ◼   ► adept at navigating it now but like [TS]

00:29:27 ◼   ► initially when I just thought that I was [TS]

00:29:29 ◼   ► gonna be able to just go like just go [TS]

00:29:31 ◼   ► that's not like it you kind of go it's [TS]

00:29:35 ◼   ► like are you going uptown or downtown [TS]

00:29:36 ◼   ► you have to know if you don't know so I [TS]

00:29:43 ◼   ► made my way and I did what I had to do [TS]

00:29:46 ◼   ► and I got to the hotel I arrived at the [TS]

00:29:51 ◼   ► hotel having walked through the rain I [TS]

00:29:53 ◼   ► am dripping right onto the floor of the [TS]

00:29:56 ◼   ► hotel mmm I met with the check-in guy [TS]

00:29:59 ◼   ► and he has a sense of humor he's a funny [TS]

00:30:03 ◼   ► guy and he's checking me in and he's [TS]

00:30:08 ◼   ► like you know can I have your ID in your [TS]

00:30:11 ◼   ► cart make sure I give him my idea give [TS]

00:30:12 ◼   ► him a credit card so he can they can do [TS]

00:30:14 ◼   ► whatever it is they need to do all that [TS]

00:30:16 ◼   ► stuff I didn't fully understand why I [TS]

00:30:17 ◼   ► have to give anybody my idea of [TS]

00:30:19 ◼   ► doublings is the thing you have to do in [TS]

00:30:20 ◼   ► America yeah I don't get that either I [TS]

00:30:23 ◼   ► like just let me pay I paid you for the [TS]

00:30:27 ◼   ► I don't anyway yeah it's it seems very [TS]

00:30:29 ◼   ► strange like what do I need to give my [TS]

00:30:31 ◼   ► ID at a restaurant like well I don't I [TS]

00:30:33 ◼   ► don't understand why here but they do so [TS]

00:30:37 ◼   ► they take the ID and so he's checking me [TS]

00:30:39 ◼   ► and he just says what is your email [TS]

00:30:41 ◼   ► address and I said why do you need my [TS]

00:30:45 ◼   ► email address [TS]

00:30:46 ◼   ► who and he's just like all we put into [TS]

00:30:48 ◼   ► the system was like nah then he said [TS]

00:30:52 ◼   ► what if you lose something and we need [TS]

00:30:55 ◼   ► to contact you no I see where this is [TS]

00:30:57 ◼   ► going ok yeah I could see that I can see [TS]

00:30:58 ◼   ► where the crazy begins ok yep and I said [TS]

00:31:01 ◼   ► to him it's ok [TS]

00:31:02 ◼   ► like I don't but I you know you can [TS]

00:31:06 ◼   ► contact me in other ways like I don't [TS]

00:31:07 ◼   ► want to give you my email address and [TS]

00:31:09 ◼   ► he's like ok and he's making these jokes [TS]

00:31:10 ◼   ► so there is a part of me that was like [TS]

00:31:13 ◼   ► she's still my chefs because it was he [TS]

00:31:22 ◼   ► was so insistent on if I lose something [TS]

00:31:24 ◼   ► right I think because he made a joke [TS]

00:31:26 ◼   ► about it it's like oh well we lost them [TS]

00:31:28 ◼   ► I can thing is great here's the thing [TS]

00:31:33 ◼   ► mm-hmm [TS]

00:31:34 ◼   ► when I was in DC I didn't unpack so I [TS]

00:31:38 ◼   ► know I didn't take the shirts out when I [TS]

00:31:40 ◼   ► was in DC because I was in there for a [TS]

00:31:41 ◼   ► couple of days I was in New York eyes [TS]

00:31:43 ◼   ► there for a week and I did unpack it's [TS]

00:31:46 ◼   ► certainly not that unpacking [TS]

00:31:47 ◼   ► dramatically increases the likelihood of [TS]

00:31:49 ◼   ► losing something but I I know I it but [TS]

00:31:52 ◼   ► this is the thing right so like I am an [TS]

00:31:54 ◼   ► impassive Eva my system of checking the [TS]

00:31:57 ◼   ► room is bad or the check-in assistant [TS]

00:32:00 ◼   ► stole two shirts for me right and right [TS]

00:32:03 ◼   ► now they are both upsetting in their own [TS]

00:32:07 ◼   ► way they're both upsetting but like all [TS]

00:32:09 ◼   ► good conspiracy theories you clearly [TS]

00:32:11 ◼   ► want to believe that the shirts were [TS]

00:32:14 ◼   ► stolen versus your system has failed you [TS]

00:32:18 ◼   ► it is better for me to feel that the man [TS]

00:32:20 ◼   ► stole from me that's basically what [TS]

00:32:22 ◼   ► conspiracy theories are right there they [TS]

00:32:24 ◼   ► are attractive sets of ideas that you [TS]

00:32:26 ◼   ► kind of want to be true like whoo yeah [TS]

00:32:29 ◼   ► this to be much better than my system [TS]

00:32:31 ◼   ► failing I would far prefer it as a [TS]

00:32:34 ◼   ► slight side tension at the hotels when [TS]

00:32:36 ◼   ► they ask for all your and [TS]

00:32:37 ◼   ► this is why I have learned to just give [TS]

00:32:41 ◼   ► them false information right because I [TS]

00:32:43 ◼   ► used to do the like why do you need my [TS]

00:32:44 ◼   ► phone number why do you need my email [TS]

00:32:46 ◼   ► address thing why do you need my home [TS]

00:32:48 ◼   ► home address like any of these [TS]

00:32:49 ◼   ► informations these places ask now I just [TS]

00:32:51 ◼   ► I just make stuff up I just put down [TS]

00:32:53 ◼   ► fake number since like whatever never [TS]

00:32:55 ◼   ► has caused a problem and it just gets it [TS]

00:32:57 ◼   ► it gets us past this you want to build [TS]

00:33:00 ◼   ► your email list like hotel I will never [TS]

00:33:02 ◼   ► visit again that like that's what's [TS]

00:33:04 ◼   ► occurring here so I just give them [TS]

00:33:06 ◼   ► information that's not true that's why [TS]

00:33:09 ◼   ► just a fake email address Mike let's say [TS]

00:33:11 ◼   ► that's what you need yeah but then they [TS]

00:33:13 ◼   ► would email me if I lost the things and [TS]

00:33:15 ◼   ► it would never come back to me with it [TS]

00:33:17 ◼   ► look look if there's something important [TS]

00:33:20 ◼   ► at the hotel they can get in touch with [TS]

00:33:22 ◼   ► you when I check into a hotel I give [TS]

00:33:24 ◼   ► them all the fake information for like [TS]

00:33:25 ◼   ► Oh what sorry what's your email address [TS]

00:33:27 ◼   ► what's your phone number right because [TS]

00:33:29 ◼   ► if they need to get in touch they can do [TS]

00:33:30 ◼   ► it and I also when I go into the room [TS]

00:33:33 ◼   ► there are several things that I do to [TS]

00:33:34 ◼   ► get a hotel room ready for me but one of [TS]

00:33:36 ◼   ► those things includes unplugging the [TS]

00:33:39 ◼   ► phone in the wall is it'd be like I [TS]

00:33:40 ◼   ► don't want you to call me randomly with [TS]

00:33:42 ◼   ► some with something I probably don't [TS]

00:33:43 ◼   ► really care about check for bugs check [TS]

00:33:46 ◼   ► the lamps and stuff no I don't check the [TS]

00:33:48 ◼   ► lamps I have to get it ready for me like [TS]

00:33:56 ◼   ► nothing enters I go in with a hood and [TS]

00:33:58 ◼   ► then I unplug I don't plug the phone I [TS]

00:34:01 ◼   ► check the lamp for bugs [TS]

00:34:02 ◼   ► that's crazy crazy crazy crazy yeah [TS]

00:34:07 ◼   ► protip though for anybody who does want [TS]

00:34:09 ◼   ► to unplug the phones that the the hotel [TS]

00:34:11 ◼   ► desk doesn't bother you with their dumb [TS]

00:34:13 ◼   ► phone calls if it is a cordless phone [TS]

00:34:16 ◼   ► make sure to take the battery out of the [TS]

00:34:17 ◼   ► phone as well because it will start [TS]

00:34:19 ◼   ► beeping in about 24 hours when the [TS]

00:34:21 ◼   ► battery begins to run down beep beep to [TS]

00:34:23 ◼   ► let you know need to charge me so pull [TS]

00:34:25 ◼   ► that battery out the back of the phone [TS]

00:34:26 ◼   ► unplug the phone from the wall and you [TS]

00:34:29 ◼   ► have a nice nice quiet hotel room no one [TS]

00:34:31 ◼   ► will bother you and if it's really [TS]

00:34:32 ◼   ► important they'll catch you when you're [TS]

00:34:34 ◼   ► walking past the front desk that has [TS]

00:34:35 ◼   ► always been my experience [TS]

00:34:36 ◼   ► ok maybe what I need to do is set up an [TS]

00:34:39 ◼   ► email address that I never check but [TS]

00:34:42 ◼   ► like it was there so like if I have lost [TS]

00:34:44 ◼   ► something I can just go log into that [TS]

00:34:46 ◼   ► email account and check that address but [TS]

00:34:48 ◼   ► it's full of their emails from the gap [TS]

00:34:50 ◼   ► and there's no gain they got my FAC so [TS]

00:34:53 ◼   ► we're all about in the show yeah yeah I [TS]

00:34:56 ◼   ► I'm in a just a real pickle I'm gonna I [TS]

00:34:58 ◼   ► called the hotel they said they didn't [TS]

00:35:00 ◼   ► find anything I don't believe them [TS]

00:35:02 ◼   ► and this is where I am in my life gray [TS]

00:35:04 ◼   ► it's not good it's not good I I don't [TS]

00:35:07 ◼   ► want to put an idea in your mind but I'm [TS]

00:35:08 ◼   ► pretty sure that when you called the guy [TS]

00:35:10 ◼   ► who answered was wearing your shirt at [TS]

00:35:12 ◼   ► the time there were nice shots too can't [TS]

00:35:19 ◼   ► let it go Mike this episode of cortex is [TS]

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00:37:15 ◼   ► website alright Mike tell me now I know [TS]

00:37:19 ◼   ► we've had a fascinating discussion about [TS]

00:37:21 ◼   ► you're slowly unraveling mental state [TS]

00:37:23 ◼   ► but what are you doing in America right [TS]

00:37:28 ◼   ► now yep what are you there for I want to [TS]

00:37:30 ◼   ► know tell me so many things gray so I [TS]

00:37:32 ◼   ► have attended a pen show of course do [TS]

00:37:37 ◼   ► you know what a pen show is by now right [TS]

00:37:39 ◼   ► like you know yeah it's a show where you [TS]

00:37:42 ◼   ► can buy pens yes it's like a big place [TS]

00:37:44 ◼   ► where you can go and you can buy pens [TS]

00:37:45 ◼   ► and I have a show all about pens called [TS]

00:37:48 ◼   ► the pen addict and we do a Kickstarter [TS]

00:37:49 ◼   ► every year and for us to go to different [TS]

00:37:51 ◼   ► shows and we go and we record live shows [TS]

00:37:54 ◼   ► there at you in three this year which is [TS]

00:37:56 ◼   ► wild so I was at the DC pen show wait [TS]

00:37:59 ◼   ► are you doing three live pen shows is [TS]

00:38:01 ◼   ► that what you're saying three live [TS]

00:38:02 ◼   ► episodes of the pen addict because of [TS]

00:38:05 ◼   ► the comic it's a North American tour [TS]

00:38:08 ◼   ► we're gonna be in Chicago in October [TS]

00:38:09 ◼   ► that's amazing yeah I live a really [TS]

00:38:13 ◼   ► weird life it's kind of beautiful so we [TS]

00:38:17 ◼   ► I was in DC for the pen show then I went [TS]

00:38:19 ◼   ► to New York and that was just purely [TS]

00:38:21 ◼   ► like I'm waiting like it was it wasn't a [TS]

00:38:24 ◼   ► holding pattern because I'm in Memphis [TS]

00:38:25 ◼   ► right now which is where Stephen my [TS]

00:38:28 ◼   ► co-founder lives and we get together [TS]

00:38:29 ◼   ► every year because it's real AFM's [TS]

00:38:31 ◼   ► birthday in August we're actually gonna [TS]

00:38:33 ◼   ► talk a little bit about that at the end [TS]

00:38:34 ◼   ► of the show so but it's good for me and [TS]

00:38:37 ◼   ► him to get together every year because [TS]

00:38:39 ◼   ► we get to work in the same place which [TS]

00:38:43 ◼   ► is just nice but we also get to like [TS]

00:38:45 ◼   ► think about our company you know and [TS]

00:38:47 ◼   ► talk through stuff like that together [TS]

00:38:49 ◼   ► which is really useful and we kind of [TS]

00:38:51 ◼   ► set some goals and set some objectives [TS]

00:38:53 ◼   ► and some things we'd like to achieve in [TS]

00:38:55 ◼   ► the next year so that's always a good [TS]

00:38:57 ◼   ► thing to do so I've been here for that [TS]

00:39:00 ◼   ► and I leave Memphis in a couple of days [TS]

00:39:02 ◼   ► was that with but before before you zoom [TS]

00:39:04 ◼   ► on though the you two are are hanging [TS]

00:39:07 ◼   ► out as cofounders of relay yep together [TS]

00:39:10 ◼   ► how long are you guys spending together [TS]

00:39:12 ◼   ► a week that's good I think that's a good [TS]

00:39:15 ◼   ► amount of time so that that you were [TS]

00:39:17 ◼   ► around [TS]

00:39:17 ◼   ► but it doesn't feel like you have to [TS]

00:39:18 ◼   ► rush everything together and I would [TS]

00:39:22 ◼   ► suspect that that's also the thick [TS]

00:39:23 ◼   ► that's a good amount of time that you [TS]

00:39:25 ◼   ► can rehash or like revisit thoughts a [TS]

00:39:29 ◼   ► few times and bounce them off of off of [TS]

00:39:31 ◼   ► each other yeah because like I think [TS]

00:39:33 ◼   ► like I think it's really interesting [TS]

00:39:36 ◼   ► that you guys do this like I I know [TS]

00:39:40 ◼   ► people who are who are essentially the [TS]

00:39:42 ◼   ► remote cofounders of various things but [TS]

00:39:45 ◼   ► I know very very few people who do the [TS]

00:39:48 ◼   ► we're going to be intentionally together [TS]

00:39:51 ◼   ► as cofounders on a regular basis thing [TS]

00:39:54 ◼   ► and I think that's such a that's such a [TS]

00:39:56 ◼   ► great idea because it's so important [TS]

00:39:58 ◼   ► yeah it really really is it really [TS]

00:40:03 ◼   ► matters to be in person to discuss [TS]

00:40:06 ◼   ► things like this and especially when you [TS]

00:40:08 ◼   ► own a company together yeah like it's so [TS]

00:40:10 ◼   ► easy for us to work remotely right like [TS]

00:40:12 ◼   ► it works perfectly like our business is [TS]

00:40:15 ◼   ► structured and set up to actually be [TS]

00:40:17 ◼   ► more effective because it's remote but [TS]

00:40:19 ◼   ► for us not to get together with the [TS]

00:40:22 ◼   ► explicit idea of talking about the [TS]

00:40:24 ◼   ► company and thinking about it and being [TS]

00:40:26 ◼   ► like that's that seems like a really [TS]

00:40:29 ◼   ► just obvious thing and like to not do [TS]

00:40:32 ◼   ► that seems like it would be a real [TS]

00:40:33 ◼   ► mistake like we see each other a lot [TS]

00:40:35 ◼   ► every year but it's in other [TS]

00:40:38 ◼   ► circumstances there is a nothing [TS]

00:40:39 ◼   ► happening so an idea may pop up or [TS]

00:40:42 ◼   ► whatever but in this time like I'm here [TS]

00:40:44 ◼   ► I'm staying in Stephens house with his [TS]

00:40:46 ◼   ► family who we're spending unlike with [TS]

00:40:49 ◼   ► the best of friends right so like it's [TS]

00:40:51 ◼   ► also nice to do that but whilst we're [TS]

00:40:53 ◼   ► also at the zoo together I can mention a [TS]

00:40:57 ◼   ► thing and it's like oh yeah that's a [TS]

00:40:58 ◼   ► really good idea we'll talk about that [TS]

00:41:00 ◼   ► and then we'll come back to it later on [TS]

00:41:02 ◼   ► because ideas you know if you work on [TS]

00:41:05 ◼   ► anything no matter whether it's just [TS]

00:41:08 ◼   ► your job or a side project or whatever [TS]

00:41:10 ◼   ► ideas if they happen all the time [TS]

00:41:14 ◼   ► of a thing like oh I've cracked it well [TS]

00:41:16 ◼   ► I'll have this great idea and being in [TS]

00:41:18 ◼   ► the same physical location as the person [TS]

00:41:21 ◼   ► that should hear those ideas is very [TS]

00:41:23 ◼   ► valuable very whoo [TS]

00:41:26 ◼   ► now I think I think it's great that you [TS]

00:41:28 ◼   ► do it and I just I wanted to focus on it [TS]

00:41:30 ◼   ► for a moment because I feel like you [TS]

00:41:33 ◼   ► know when you and I meet up for lunch [TS]

00:41:34 ◼   ► on occasion you you will often make [TS]

00:41:37 ◼   ► reference to like oh I was thinking [TS]

00:41:39 ◼   ► about this thing like when when we were [TS]

00:41:41 ◼   ► together as co-founders in Memphis like [TS]

00:41:44 ◼   ► you and Steven were and it's it's it's [TS]

00:41:46 ◼   ► clearly a time that is that has like a [TS]

00:41:53 ◼   ► value that is much greater than just the [TS]

00:41:56 ◼   ► the raw days that you're together yeah [TS]

00:41:59 ◼   ► and I think like it's it is working [TS]

00:42:01 ◼   ► remotely it is fantastic for the [TS]

00:42:04 ◼   ► day-to-day but the impression that I get [TS]

00:42:07 ◼   ► is is like a lot of the a lot of the [TS]

00:42:11 ◼   ► sort of big picture vision for what you [TS]

00:42:12 ◼   ► want for relay and for your company [TS]

00:42:15 ◼   ► comes out of this time oh yeah oh it [TS]

00:42:18 ◼   ► really does it really really does I mean [TS]

00:42:20 ◼   ► and also we we launched a redesign of [TS]

00:42:22 ◼   ► our website and that was really useful [TS]

00:42:24 ◼   ► for us to be in the same place when we [TS]

00:42:26 ◼   ► did that uh yes the new the new relay [TS]

00:42:29 ◼   ► website it looks gorgeous [TS]

00:42:30 ◼   ► yeah it's really good looking it's very [TS]

00:42:32 ◼   ► good looking they had nothing to do with [TS]

00:42:33 ◼   ► me did you not did you not hand draw all [TS]

00:42:38 ◼   ► of the no pages know where the website [TS]

00:42:40 ◼   ► nope nope didn't do that wasn't none of [TS]

00:42:43 ◼   ► it was my idea but I loved it [TS]

00:42:45 ◼   ► it was fantastic it was it's all it was [TS]

00:42:49 ◼   ► really well done and I think it [TS]

00:42:50 ◼   ► represents our company better than the [TS]

00:42:53 ◼   ► previous web site did I think it looks [TS]

00:42:55 ◼   ► really great and it was it was really [TS]

00:42:56 ◼   ► fun and scary to we'll be in the same [TS]

00:43:00 ◼   ► place whilst that was happening and then [TS]

00:43:02 ◼   ► like who's working out all the fires it [TS]

00:43:04 ◼   ► was good me but that was like doing that [TS]

00:43:06 ◼   ► in the same place is way better than it [TS]

00:43:08 ◼   ► happening which would have happened when [TS]

00:43:09 ◼   ► I was sleeping in London it would have [TS]

00:43:12 ◼   ► yeah and then as well as that like I've [TS]

00:43:14 ◼   ► liked doing the show like I'm recording [TS]

00:43:16 ◼   ► a Stephan studio for a few days like I'm [TS]

00:43:18 ◼   ► doing all of my regular work and we're [TS]

00:43:19 ◼   ► together and it's it's it's been very [TS]

00:43:21 ◼   ► valuable like we do it every year and [TS]

00:43:23 ◼   ► we'll continue to like it said it makes [TS]

00:43:26 ◼   ► so much sense it makes so much sense [TS]

00:43:28 ◼   ► so you're in Stephens studio right now [TS]

00:43:29 ◼   ► are you surrounded by Mac's all kinds [TS]

00:43:32 ◼   ► behind me decades ago is shelving full [TS]

00:43:36 ◼   ► of old computers like just [TS]

00:43:39 ◼   ► big shelving unit lots and lots of [TS]

00:43:42 ◼   ► things on it like I can look at old iPod [TS]

00:43:45 ◼   ► Touches and old Macintosh's and they're [TS]

00:43:48 ◼   ► everywhere [TS]

00:43:49 ◼   ► III can't imagine that any listeners are [TS]

00:43:51 ◼   ► unaware but in case they aren't like [TS]

00:43:53 ◼   ► Stephen Hackett your co-founder must [TS]

00:43:55 ◼   ► have one of the largest private [TS]

00:43:58 ◼   ► collections of Apple equipment in the [TS]

00:44:01 ◼   ► world like there has to be true I think [TS]

00:44:03 ◼   ► in the condition that he has them yes I [TS]

00:44:06 ◼   ► mean to the point that he is literally [TS]

00:44:08 ◼   ► donated large sections of his [TS]

00:44:11 ◼   ► collections to museums like the Henry [TS]

00:44:14 ◼   ► Ford Museum [TS]

00:44:15 ◼   ► so the Henry Ford Museum has one of [TS]

00:44:16 ◼   ► those little plaques that says oh oh [TS]

00:44:18 ◼   ► this this this historical Mac was [TS]

00:44:21 ◼   ► donated by Stephen Hackett like it had [TS]

00:44:23 ◼   ► like you see those plaques and museums [TS]

00:44:25 ◼   ► well I think it will do eventually I [TS]

00:44:26 ◼   ► think that they're still preparing them [TS]

00:44:28 ◼   ► and it was every color of the iMac g3 [TS]

00:44:31 ◼   ► Stephen had an incredible project where [TS]

00:44:34 ◼   ► he put them all together and then at the [TS]

00:44:36 ◼   ► end of it donated them today he has [TS]

00:44:41 ◼   ► quite a collection it is it is really [TS]

00:44:44 ◼   ► crazy listeners if you if you haven't [TS]

00:44:47 ◼   ► seen it we'll put it in the show notes [TS]

00:44:48 ◼   ► but Stephen Hackett's YouTube channel [TS]

00:44:49 ◼   ► has has a bunch of videos where he's [TS]

00:44:52 ◼   ► showing off various portions of his [TS]

00:44:54 ◼   ► collection and it is it is impressive to [TS]

00:44:57 ◼   ► see and it must have been I can't [TS]

00:45:00 ◼   ► imagine how much effort had to go into [TS]

00:45:02 ◼   ► getting to getting all of the different [TS]

00:45:03 ◼   ► pieces that he has but because he has so [TS]

00:45:06 ◼   ► many he can do very fun videos sometimes [TS]

00:45:09 ◼   ► like when Apple released that predict [TS]

00:45:11 ◼   ► ulis book of all the things they made [TS]

00:45:13 ◼   ► like I love that he made a video of the [TS]

00:45:16 ◼   ► physical objects with the pages yeah the [TS]

00:45:18 ◼   ► book it's like how many people in the [TS]

00:45:20 ◼   ► world could match them up no bones [TS]

00:45:22 ◼   ► nobody right who has the stuff well he [TS]

00:45:24 ◼   ► does like including a selection of iPod [TS]

00:45:27 ◼   ► socks like he has all of that in a very [TS]

00:45:31 ◼   ► interesting setting to record chosen [TS]

00:45:34 ◼   ► yeah so as I just want to visualize [TS]

00:45:37 ◼   ► where you are so you're you're [TS]

00:45:38 ◼   ► surrounded by all the max I'm in it I'm [TS]

00:45:41 ◼   ► in a room in Memphis Tennessee [TS]

00:45:43 ◼   ► surrounded by computers done mostly [TS]

00:45:45 ◼   ► older than me maybe not mostly I'm older [TS]

00:45:51 ◼   ► than I think I am some [TS]

00:45:53 ◼   ► me no mm-hmm but as well as that race [TS]

00:45:57 ◼   ► when I was in New York I was really kind [TS]

00:45:59 ◼   ► of following the great Asian model like [TS]

00:46:01 ◼   ► I was doing all of my regular work just [TS]

00:46:04 ◼   ► in another location land it was great [TS]

00:46:08 ◼   ► because I felt I had this really strange [TS]

00:46:11 ◼   ► feeling of like I live in New York now [TS]

00:46:14 ◼   ► like a couple of days in it was just [TS]

00:46:17 ◼   ► this really weird feeling of I have [TS]

00:46:19 ◼   ► taken my life and put it here mm-hmm [TS]

00:46:23 ◼   ► Plus New York is a great place to do [TS]

00:46:26 ◼   ► this type of thing I know I mentioned it [TS]

00:46:28 ◼   ► before but I'm gonna mention again that [TS]

00:46:30 ◼   ► I really do think obviously great [TS]

00:46:33 ◼   ► industries does not have a co-founder [TS]

00:46:35 ◼   ► right so I don't I don't go someplace [TS]

00:46:36 ◼   ► with a a non-existent co-founder but I [TS]

00:46:38 ◼   ► really do I do think that a change of [TS]

00:46:43 ◼   ► location is an important part of doing a [TS]

00:46:46 ◼   ► trip like this where you feel like [TS]

00:46:48 ◼   ► you're going to have a dedicated work [TS]

00:46:50 ◼   ► time like I really think that the [TS]

00:46:52 ◼   ► location change matters and that's why I [TS]

00:46:55 ◼   ► used to just go to different hotels in [TS]

00:46:57 ◼   ► the same city and now sometimes I go to [TS]

00:46:59 ◼   ► Amsterdam or I go to other locations if [TS]

00:47:01 ◼   ► I can if I can make it happen and that [TS]

00:47:05 ◼   ► thing that you touched on that this sort [TS]

00:47:06 ◼   ► of almost tricking your brain into [TS]

00:47:10 ◼   ► creating this illusion like you just [TS]

00:47:12 ◼   ► exist in this other place I really think [TS]

00:47:14 ◼   ► that it is important that that feeling [TS]

00:47:17 ◼   ► of existing somewhere else that that I [TS]

00:47:20 ◼   ► think doing your regular work really [TS]

00:47:22 ◼   ► helps bring about it kind of opens you [TS]

00:47:24 ◼   ► up to thinking about things in a little [TS]

00:47:26 ◼   ► bit of a in a little bit of a different [TS]

00:47:28 ◼   ► way like it's interesting to hear that [TS]

00:47:30 ◼   ► you had that that feeling of like oh I I [TS]

00:47:33 ◼   ► exist in New York now and that was [TS]

00:47:35 ◼   ► definitely a thing like over the summer [TS]

00:47:37 ◼   ► doing a whole bunch of traveling like I [TS]

00:47:39 ◼   ► had that a bunch of times like a very [TS]

00:47:41 ◼   ► particular but what I'm doing now this [TS]

00:47:43 ◼   ► is just my life like it feels almost a [TS]

00:47:46 ◼   ► bit like you're a different person which [TS]

00:47:48 ◼   ► lets you look at problems in different [TS]

00:47:51 ◼   ► ways or sometimes think of solutions [TS]

00:47:54 ◼   ► that wouldn't have occurred to you in in [TS]

00:47:56 ◼   ► the normal day-to-day routine of your [TS]

00:47:58 ◼   ► life yeah I mean I know that you have I [TS]

00:48:01 ◼   ► think mostly established Amsterdam is [TS]

00:48:03 ◼   ► like your place right where you go for [TS]

00:48:05 ◼   ► this stuff [TS]

00:48:06 ◼   ► yeah am sir damn is really good it's [TS]

00:48:09 ◼   ► interesting because Amsterdam is really [TS]

00:48:10 ◼   ► good it for me it has a bunch of reasons [TS]

00:48:14 ◼   ► why it works really well but I am also [TS]

00:48:18 ◼   ► aware that that has also become a little [TS]

00:48:21 ◼   ► a little bit of a downside like I almost [TS]

00:48:22 ◼   ► know it too well at this point and so I [TS]

00:48:25 ◼   ► feel like I have a little bit less of [TS]

00:48:27 ◼   ► the novelty experience than previously [TS]

00:48:30 ◼   ► but it is it is the place that that I [TS]

00:48:32 ◼   ► have gone the most to think about stuff [TS]

00:48:35 ◼   ► long term or trying to reboot my working [TS]

00:48:39 ◼   ► process cuz I think that New York really [TS]

00:48:41 ◼   ► works for me as this place because [TS]

00:48:45 ◼   ► everything is super accessible on foot a [TS]

00:48:49 ◼   ► lot of it right like you can just you [TS]

00:48:50 ◼   ► know I stayed in Times Square for the [TS]

00:48:53 ◼   ► week and being there so cool I can just [TS]

00:48:56 ◼   ► walk down to the coffee shop I can go [TS]

00:48:58 ◼   ► get some lunch I can go get some [TS]

00:49:00 ◼   ► groceries and also I have a lot of [TS]

00:49:02 ◼   ► friends that live in New York as well so [TS]

00:49:04 ◼   ► who all of my evenings I had stuff to do [TS]

00:49:08 ◼   ► like I wasn't just being like a recluse [TS]

00:49:09 ◼   ► cuz that doesn't that wouldn't work for [TS]

00:49:10 ◼   ► me to be on my own for a week of course [TS]

00:49:12 ◼   ► so I had lots of lunches and dinners and [TS]

00:49:14 ◼   ► I'm going back to New York and I'm gonna [TS]

00:49:16 ◼   ► be there for like another ten days [TS]

00:49:17 ◼   ► before this thing is done and I have [TS]

00:49:21 ◼   ► loads more planned right loads of people [TS]

00:49:23 ◼   ► to go and meet loads of companies to go [TS]

00:49:25 ◼   ► and visit like it's it's a good place [TS]

00:49:27 ◼   ► for me too because I can take the time [TS]

00:49:29 ◼   ► that I need to do what I want to do but [TS]

00:49:31 ◼   ► then also still actually interact with [TS]

00:49:33 ◼   ► other humans on a frequent basis which I [TS]

00:49:36 ◼   ► if I am away without a dinner I need [TS]

00:49:40 ◼   ► like I need to be able to see people [TS]

00:49:41 ◼   ► like just being on my own for multiple [TS]

00:49:43 ◼   ► days at a time seeing nobody that I know [TS]

00:49:46 ◼   ► would have a not-so-great effect on me [TS]

00:49:48 ◼   ► like I can do a couple of days and it's [TS]

00:49:50 ◼   ► great and it's useful but just having a [TS]

00:49:52 ◼   ► dinner or a lunch every day or two with [TS]

00:49:55 ◼   ► somebody is it's just were useful for me [TS]

00:49:57 ◼   ► I mean yeah New York is it it's it's an [TS]

00:49:59 ◼   ► absolutely fantastic place for that like [TS]

00:50:02 ◼   ► the convenience of it is is just perfect [TS]

00:50:05 ◼   ► and if you know a whole bunch of people [TS]

00:50:06 ◼   ► in New York like that makes it that [TS]

00:50:08 ◼   ► makes it even that makes it even better [TS]

00:50:09 ◼   ► so I'm glad that you're I'm glad that [TS]

00:50:12 ◼   ► you're enjoying your curly day yeah you [TS]

00:50:14 ◼   ► said it in New York you're finding it [TS]

00:50:16 ◼   ► productive uh-huh you're being a very [TS]

00:50:18 ◼   ► busy boy in you yeah [TS]

00:50:20 ◼   ► are you Rd are you having are you having [TS]

00:50:22 ◼   ► any time for your regular work or you [TS]

00:50:23 ◼   ► just you just visiting people and taking [TS]

00:50:25 ◼   ► meetings um yeah I've been able to do [TS]

00:50:29 ◼   ► all of my regular work which is good and [TS]

00:50:31 ◼   ► I've been doing some thinking about my [TS]

00:50:34 ◼   ► fictional project ooh [TS]

00:50:36 ◼   ► and I have a much better sense of what [TS]

00:50:39 ◼   ► that will be now but what I also know is [TS]

00:50:42 ◼   ► if I'm gonna do what I want to do is [TS]

00:50:44 ◼   ► gonna take me a really long time are you [TS]

00:50:47 ◼   ► gonna write a novel no I'm okay like a [TS]

00:50:50 ◼   ► lot of people have been suggesting and [TS]

00:50:52 ◼   ► asking more about this and like all all [TS]

00:50:54 ◼   ► I will want to say right now because it [TS]

00:50:56 ◼   ► may never happen is that it will be an [TS]

00:50:59 ◼   ► audio-based thing right because I want [TS]

00:51:01 ◼   ► to apply my skills in a different area [TS]

00:51:03 ◼   ► like I couldn't write a novel that's not [TS]

00:51:06 ◼   ► something I could do right like that's [TS]

00:51:08 ◼   ► that's just nowhere near my skill set [TS]

00:51:11 ◼   ► and it's not a skill set that I am [TS]

00:51:13 ◼   ► really interested in taking on right now [TS]

00:51:17 ◼   ► because I feel like I can apply the [TS]

00:51:19 ◼   ► skills that I have to something else [TS]

00:51:22 ◼   ► right like I can I can go ahead and make [TS]

00:51:25 ◼   ► some fiction and and I will say a lot of [TS]

00:51:27 ◼   ► people have guessed exactly what I want [TS]

00:51:29 ◼   ► to do not a novel though I'm surprised [TS]

00:51:33 ◼   ► not a novel such an avid reader as [TS]

00:51:35 ◼   ► yourself I wouldn't do that I still have [TS]

00:51:43 ◼   ► so much travel to do this year as well [TS]

00:51:45 ◼   ► which I'm excited about [TS]

00:51:47 ◼   ► well you said you said you still have [TS]

00:51:49 ◼   ► you're going to Chicago in October I'm [TS]

00:51:52 ◼   ► going to Chicago in October [TS]

00:51:53 ◼   ► Borana I'm doing two live shows I'm [TS]

00:51:57 ◼   ► doing a live pen addict and a live [TS]

00:51:59 ◼   ► connected and I'm going to a conference [TS]

00:52:01 ◼   ► called release notes and then I'm gonna [TS]

00:52:04 ◼   ► be a pod con in December I am a featured [TS]

00:52:07 ◼   ► guest [TS]

00:52:07 ◼   ► oh look at you very nice my face on the [TS]

00:52:11 ◼   ► page there I am oh all these fancy [TS]

00:52:13 ◼   ► people face on the page that makes it [TS]

00:52:17 ◼   ► official and I'm there I'm gonna be [TS]

00:52:18 ◼   ► there I don't know what I'm gonna be [TS]

00:52:19 ◼   ► doing yet but that is something that I'm [TS]

00:52:21 ◼   ► really excited about it is the podcast [TS]

00:52:23 ◼   ► version of VidCon I've wanted something [TS]

00:52:26 ◼   ► like this for a long time and I am [TS]

00:52:28 ◼   ► excited about it so I'm gonna be there [TS]

00:52:29 ◼   ► and I'm gonna be doing something I'm [TS]

00:52:31 ◼   ► hoping to do some panels and stuff [TS]

00:52:33 ◼   ► but like all of that's gonna be worked [TS]

00:52:34 ◼   ► out later and I'm gonna be in Romania [TS]

00:52:37 ◼   ► for Christmas which is the first time [TS]

00:52:38 ◼   ► that's happening it's my first Christmas [TS]

00:52:40 ◼   ► outside of England that's gonna be [TS]

00:52:41 ◼   ► interesting [TS]

00:52:42 ◼   ► you can't a lot of travel going on Mike [TS]

00:52:44 ◼   ► yeah that may also be one more trip in [TS]

00:52:46 ◼   ► here yet but it's not decided yet [TS]

00:52:48 ◼   ► man if you got if you're gonna do all [TS]

00:52:50 ◼   ► the travel successfully you really have [TS]

00:52:52 ◼   ► to sort out your system I hate you I'm [TS]

00:52:56 ◼   ► just saying with the broken a system [TS]

00:53:00 ◼   ► like you've got yeah yeah I don't think [TS]

00:53:03 ◼   ► you got to work on that before you can [TS]

00:53:04 ◼   ► do this I don't want to talk to you [TS]

00:53:06 ◼   ► anymore [TS]

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00:54:42 ◼   ► cook are you there Mike [TS]

00:54:45 ◼   ► no comment oh yeah Mike doesn't want to [TS]

00:54:49 ◼   ► talk to me you're having a timeout right [TS]

00:54:50 ◼   ► now [TS]

00:54:51 ◼   ► this is Oh No okay I'm having a timeout [TS]

00:54:54 ◼   ► mm-hmm because you can't you can't give [TS]

00:54:57 ◼   ► me the silent treatment to effectively [TS]

00:54:58 ◼   ► on the podcast exactly this doesn't [TS]

00:55:00 ◼   ► really I would like to give you the [TS]

00:55:01 ◼   ► silent treatment right now but it's it's [TS]

00:55:03 ◼   ► a really difficult thing to do yeah and [TS]

00:55:05 ◼   ► even even if you did people listening in [TS]

00:55:07 ◼   ► overcast smart speed would just make [TS]

00:55:09 ◼   ► your silent treatment totally [TS]

00:55:11 ◼   ► ineffective anyway exactly I would just [TS]

00:55:12 ◼   ► make it a treatment which is notice on [TS]

00:55:14 ◼   ► until we know silence at all uh-huh but [TS]

00:55:16 ◼   ► I know I know how to bring you back I [TS]

00:55:18 ◼   ► know how to bring you back money duty [TS]

00:55:20 ◼   ► yeah I know how to get out of the [TS]

00:55:22 ◼   ► timeout mm-hmm which is to tell you a [TS]

00:55:24 ◼   ► thing happened in the gray household but [TS]

00:55:27 ◼   ► I was not expecting to happen yet and [TS]

00:55:30 ◼   ► for a while but there is now in the [TS]

00:55:34 ◼   ► house a TV wait was there a TV before no [TS]

00:55:41 ◼   ► there was a computer before Wow now it [TS]

00:55:43 ◼   ► is a TV [TS]

00:55:44 ◼   ► okay yeah there was an iMac that was a [TS]

00:55:46 ◼   ► TV uh-huh so now there's like it like a [TS]

00:55:49 ◼   ► TV like a grown-up TV like a really like [TS]

00:55:52 ◼   ► it with one of those with one of those [TS]

00:55:54 ◼   ► stupid grown-up TV remotes that like [TS]

00:55:56 ◼   ► your parents have with a thousand [TS]

00:55:57 ◼   ► buttons on them yeah and that I only [TS]

00:55:59 ◼   ► care about literally one of those [TS]

00:56:01 ◼   ► buttons which is the button to switch [TS]

00:56:02 ◼   ► the inputs and to switch the input to [TS]

00:56:07 ◼   ► the Nintendo switch which is connected [TS]

00:56:09 ◼   ► that TV you're out your time out I'm [TS]

00:56:14 ◼   ► back baby [TS]

00:56:15 ◼   ► you got a Nintendo switch yeah I got a [TS]

00:56:18 ◼   ► Nintendo switch I have so many questions [TS]

00:56:21 ◼   ► and I don't even know where to begin [TS]

00:56:23 ◼   ► why I guess to start like what made you [TS]

00:56:26 ◼   ► what happened I'd always assumed that I [TS]

00:56:29 ◼   ► was gonna get a TV if and when we move [TS]

00:56:32 ◼   ► apartments what did you move no no we [TS]

00:56:36 ◼   ► did we didn't move we didn't move but [TS]

00:56:39 ◼   ► but you know how you know how like your [TS]

00:56:42 ◼   ► paranoia and conspiracy is a thing that [TS]

00:56:45 ◼   ► feeds on itself I'm aware of density I'm [TS]

00:56:47 ◼   ► like I am variance right now you have [TS]

00:56:50 ◼   ► that I can't point any fingers but I'll [TS]

00:56:53 ◼   ► just say that that someone in the house [TS]

00:56:55 ◼   ► got it in her head [TS]

00:56:58 ◼   ► look I'm not specifying okay sorry I [TS]

00:57:02 ◼   ► shouldn't I shouldn't try and press on [TS]

00:57:03 ◼   ► this yeah don't press on it but someone [TS]

00:57:05 ◼   ► got it into her head that the iMac that [TS]

00:57:09 ◼   ► we watched TV on was too small and this [TS]

00:57:13 ◼   ► is an idea that starts to feed on itself [TS]

00:57:14 ◼   ► because then you watch movies and you [TS]

00:57:16 ◼   ► think this would be better if it was [TS]

00:57:18 ◼   ► bigger yeah right which reinforces the [TS]

00:57:20 ◼   ► idea that the iMac our 21 inch iMac is [TS]

00:57:25 ◼   ► not 20 I don't wish Island TV on a 21 [TS]

00:57:30 ◼   ► inch screen for how long it's not the [TS]

00:57:32 ◼   ► but here's the thing the apartment is [TS]

00:57:33 ◼   ► very small it's the screen is not that [TS]

00:57:35 ◼   ► far away right I live in London I [TS]

00:57:36 ◼   ► understand the size of apartments a 21 [TS]

00:57:39 ◼   ► inch screen is comp is comedic and live [TS]

00:57:41 ◼   ► on the rim you have like a manor house [TS]

00:57:43 ◼   ► compared to what I live in probably so [TS]

00:57:46 ◼   ► yeah anyway it was a little small a lot [TS]

00:57:50 ◼   ► small yeah it had it had been fine for I [TS]

00:57:54 ◼   ► don't know I think we've been living [TS]

00:57:55 ◼   ► here two and a half years now but I [TS]

00:57:57 ◼   ► could see that this was an idea that was [TS]

00:58:00 ◼   ► it was self-sustaining self-feeding like [TS]

00:58:04 ◼   ► a nuclear reaction gone out of control [TS]

00:58:07 ◼   ► yep and so in order and I ended up [TS]

00:58:12 ◼   ► deciding I'm gonna roll with this and we [TS]

00:58:16 ◼   ► got a TV screen and I figured well the [TS]

00:58:22 ◼   ► TV exists so that we could connect an [TS]

00:58:24 ◼   ► Apple TV to it and I thought well as [TS]

00:58:27 ◼   ► soon as there's a TV in the house now [TS]

00:58:29 ◼   ► there's a reason for a Nintendo switch [TS]

00:58:30 ◼   ► to be in the house okay so I wanna sleep [TS]

00:58:34 ◼   ► out that but I need to go back to the TV [TS]

00:58:36 ◼   ► thing again because there's a way to [TS]

00:58:37 ◼   ► prove that the iMac was too small and [TS]

00:58:40 ◼   ► could have been bigger by asking you [TS]

00:58:41 ◼   ► what is the size of the television that [TS]

00:58:43 ◼   ► you bought I think it's 50 inches yeah [TS]

00:58:46 ◼   ► so there you go great point made it was [TS]

00:58:51 ◼   ► clearly too small if you've been able to [TS]

00:58:53 ◼   ► fit a 50 inch screen into the place that [TS]

00:58:55 ◼   ► was occupied by the iMac and your eyes [TS]

00:58:58 ◼   ► have not burned out of your skull right [TS]

00:59:00 ◼   ► you obviously had the space it does feel [TS]

00:59:03 ◼   ► very big compared to the distance dollar [TS]

00:59:05 ◼   ► - great [TS]

00:59:09 ◼   ► but yeah it's a it's a it's a big screen [TS]

00:59:12 ◼   ► it's a big screen I mean I went with a [TS]

00:59:14 ◼   ► forty to fifty you really you really [TS]

00:59:17 ◼   ► pushed it yeah I had to do something to [TS]

00:59:20 ◼   ► go sheeting down from larger sizes and I [TS]

00:59:23 ◼   ► will say that I was I was victorious in [TS]

00:59:25 ◼   ► that larger sizes would simply not fit [TS]

00:59:27 ◼   ► in the space yeah that was required this [TS]

00:59:32 ◼   ► kind of got out of control [TS]

00:59:33 ◼   ► over here a little bit I think yeah it [TS]

00:59:36 ◼   ► was it was a whole thing [TS]

00:59:37 ◼   ► but yeah so now it's weird it's like how [TS]

00:59:39 ◼   ► there's something about having a TV that [TS]

00:59:41 ◼   ► feels weirdly like oh very grown-up just [TS]

00:59:44 ◼   ► like is this big is this big object like [TS]

00:59:46 ◼   ► I'm not just using discarded old [TS]

00:59:48 ◼   ► computers to watch some fun now I can [TS]

00:59:50 ◼   ► out now I have like a proper proper TV [TS]

00:59:52 ◼   ► with HDMI inputs that you have to flick [TS]

00:59:55 ◼   ► around on the little button to switch [TS]

00:59:56 ◼   ► between so yeah it's in my house so [TS]

00:59:56 ◼   ► between so yeah it's in my house so [TS]

01:00:00 ◼   ► you bought a Nintendo switch why did you [TS]

01:00:03 ◼   ► choose the switch over any of a games [TS]

01:00:05 ◼   ► console this is this is a thing that I'm [TS]

01:00:09 ◼   ► obviously I'm obviously gamer like we [TS]

01:00:11 ◼   ► talk about games on the show a bunch [TS]

01:00:14 ◼   ► like I like video games you're a [TS]

01:00:15 ◼   ► hardcore gamer a very hardcore Mac gamer [TS]

01:00:19 ◼   ► yep and you having a good laugh over [TS]

01:00:30 ◼   ► there my very funny mm-hm [TS]

01:00:33 ◼   ► yeah people can look at my my streaming [TS]

01:00:35 ◼   ► YouTube channels to see my amazing [TS]

01:00:37 ◼   ► gaming skills other people in my house [TS]

01:00:41 ◼   ► are not necessarily the same level of [TS]

01:00:43 ◼   ► gamer than I am like my wife for example [TS]

01:00:46 ◼   ► just to pick a random person who lives [TS]

01:00:48 ◼   ► in the house as well [TS]

01:00:49 ◼   ► she's not really a gamer like every once [TS]

01:00:51 ◼   ► in a while she'll get into something for [TS]

01:00:53 ◼   ► a little bit but it's always very [TS]

01:00:54 ◼   ► temporary but we've always had this idea [TS]

01:00:56 ◼   ► that it would be it would be fun to have [TS]

01:01:00 ◼   ► a gaming system that you can play with [TS]

01:01:02 ◼   ► somebody else and I think on that list [TS]

01:01:04 ◼   ► like Nintendo just has always been hot [TS]

01:01:06 ◼   ► like the thing that is clearly the best [TS]

01:01:08 ◼   ► for people and the switch is the [TS]

01:01:10 ◼   ► ultimate alright like the Nintendo [TS]

01:01:12 ◼   ► switch it's the ultimate ouble machine [TS]

01:01:14 ◼   ► like useful from the ground up yeah we [TS]

01:01:17 ◼   ► had it as an idea to get a Wii years and [TS]

01:01:19 ◼   ► years ago and then it eventually became [TS]

01:01:21 ◼   ► the case we're like well we're not gonna [TS]

01:01:22 ◼   ► get a Wii because it's so old and then [TS]

01:01:25 ◼   ► the Wii you seem like a very [TS]

01:01:26 ◼   ► unsuccessful platform and then there's [TS]

01:01:29 ◼   ► just like okay well when the switch came [TS]

01:01:30 ◼   ► out I told you at the time I wasn't [TS]

01:01:32 ◼   ► gonna get it straight away [TS]

01:01:33 ◼   ► but I knew like at some point I'm going [TS]

01:01:36 ◼   ► to have a switch and now that point has [TS]

01:01:39 ◼   ► come and it's very fun it's interesting [TS]

01:01:43 ◼   ► it's interesting to play and the thing [TS]

01:01:45 ◼   ► that I feel like is is a big victory is [TS]

01:01:48 ◼   ► I was trying very slowly to introduce my [TS]

01:01:52 ◼   ► wife to Mario Kart and you forget how [TS]

01:01:56 ◼   ► someone who's very used to playing games [TS]

01:01:58 ◼   ► like how much has to be learned with [TS]

01:02:00 ◼   ► handling a controller if this is not a [TS]

01:02:01 ◼   ► thing that you've ever done like that [TS]

01:02:03 ◼   ► let that level of indirection for [TS]

01:02:06 ◼   ► someone to learn is a real thing like it [TS]

01:02:08 ◼   ► is a real skill [TS]

01:02:10 ◼   ► that is very easy to forget and it is a [TS]

01:02:14 ◼   ► skill that gets increasingly difficult [TS]

01:02:15 ◼   ► the older you get ya kids pick it up [TS]

01:02:18 ◼   ► incredibly quickly yeah I think that [TS]

01:02:20 ◼   ► there there is like an event horizon [TS]

01:02:22 ◼   ► over which you probably can't really [TS]

01:02:25 ◼   ► learn that skill in in the same way so I [TS]

01:02:28 ◼   ► wasn't a hundred percent sure if this [TS]

01:02:29 ◼   ► was going to really work with with my [TS]

01:02:31 ◼   ► wife's I was trying to introduce her [TS]

01:02:33 ◼   ► very slowly to Mario Kart and select oh [TS]