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234: Everybody Has Asterisks

 

00:00:00   when we last saw our heroes they were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/0">TS</a>]

00:00:02   doing all the things they normally do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2">TS</a>]

00:00:05   but today they do something different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5">TS</a>]

00:00:07   this is the Q&A episode all right so it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/7">TS</a>]

00:00:12   is still in a teepee time Friday the 4th [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/12">TS</a>]

00:00:15   of August but most of you listening are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/15">TS</a>]

00:00:17   probably listening somewhere on or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/17">TS</a>]

00:00:19   around the 9th of August and we did this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/19">TS</a>]

00:00:21   because as we covered last episode we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/21">TS</a>]

00:00:24   didn't plan our vacation as well in any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/24">TS</a>]

00:00:26   case oh yeah we're gonna do a Q&A [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/26">TS</a>]

00:00:28   episode so we had solicited had being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/28">TS</a>]

00:00:30   the keyword solicited questions via [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/30">TS</a>]

00:00:33   Twitter are you telling our audience to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/33">TS</a>]

00:00:34   please stop asking questions now is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/34">TS</a>]

00:00:36   what that means well you can certainly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/36">TS</a>]

00:00:38   continue to ask questions but we are not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/38">TS</a>]

00:00:40   planning another Q&A episode for at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/40">TS</a>]

00:00:42   least a year you can ask but they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/42">TS</a>]

00:00:46   pretty much going into the ether but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/46">TS</a>]

00:00:48   what about the S key TP segment that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/48">TS</a>]

00:00:50   we're gonna add to the show yeah I I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/50">TS</a>]

00:00:51   would I would like to keep the questions [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/51">TS</a>]

00:00:53   going oh I mean they don't have to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/53">TS</a>]

00:00:55   any questions because there's like two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/55">TS</a>]

00:00:57   of them but alright the the the hosts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/57">TS</a>]

00:01:00   have spoken we have a just two or three [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/60">TS</a>]

00:01:03   people ask a question every week all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/63">TS</a>]

00:01:09   right fair enough so we are going to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/69">TS</a>]

00:01:12   this in quasi chronological order we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/72">TS</a>]

00:01:15   have selected here's the thing they were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/75">TS</a>]

00:01:20   going into the spreadsheet but I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/80">TS</a>]

00:01:21   afraid if I tried to sort them that it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/81">TS</a>]

00:01:22   would like mess with the automate I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/82">TS</a>]

00:01:25   don't know like whatever yeah we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/85">TS</a>]

00:01:26   gonna go from top to bottom in this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/86">TS</a>]

00:01:28   document I think if you can't see the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/88">TS</a>]

00:01:30   document you can't say I think it turns [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/90">TS</a>]

00:01:31   out that adding every single tweet with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/91">TS</a>]

00:01:35   this hashtag to a giant spreadsheet and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/95">TS</a>]

00:01:38   having no way to like filter or upvote [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/98">TS</a>]

00:01:41   or sort them at all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/101">TS</a>]

00:01:42   might not be the best tool for this job [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/102">TS</a>]

00:01:44   turns out well I am happy for you to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/104">TS</a>]

00:01:48   coordinate the replacement my friend [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/108">TS</a>]

00:01:50   because this seems like the lowest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/110">TS</a>]

00:01:52   impact way to me I agree with you it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/112">TS</a>]

00:01:54   not ideal but it's the lowest impact [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/114">TS</a>]

00:01:56   version I got are we supposed to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/116">TS</a>]

00:01:57   using things like reddit is that a thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/117">TS</a>]

00:01:59   are we supposed yeah that is what the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/119">TS</a>]

00:02:02   reddit's are for is no we're not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/122">TS</a>]

00:02:04   supposed to be doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/124">TS</a>]

00:02:07   that's question number one answered [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/127">TS</a>]

00:02:09   okay well that said I if anyone if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/129">TS</a>]

00:02:13   anyone on the show off the show wants to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/133">TS</a>]

00:02:15   make replacement that's better than the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/135">TS</a>]

00:02:17   spreadsheet I won Dorsett it would be it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/137">TS</a>]

00:02:19   we probably should have some way to like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/139">TS</a>]

00:02:21   AB voter down vote and some way for like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/141">TS</a>]

00:02:23   one of the admins which would be us to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/143">TS</a>]

00:02:25   say like I read this question work is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/145">TS</a>]

00:02:26   not gonna answer so just get you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/146">TS</a>]

00:02:27   kill it yeah but like I'm like read and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/147">TS</a>]

00:02:30   I'm not sure this needs to be publicly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/150">TS</a>]

00:02:31   accessible whatever all right let's do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/151">TS</a>]

00:02:34   it okay so the show notes for this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/154">TS</a>]

00:02:37   episode may or may not exist we'll see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/157">TS</a>]

00:02:39   what happened but because it's basically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/159">TS</a>]

00:02:43   just a bunch of questions and answers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/163">TS</a>]

00:02:44   and so I'm just gonna try to MC this and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/164">TS</a>]

00:02:47   do the best I can with names with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/167">TS</a>]

00:02:49   questions etc and we're gonna dig in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/169">TS</a>]

00:02:52   with Gulick who asks hey why no more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/172">TS</a>]

00:02:56   toaster reviews John the toaster reviews [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/176">TS</a>]

00:02:59   were a sponsorship believe it or not I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/179">TS</a>]

00:03:01   know you don't remember that but like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/181">TS</a>]

00:03:03   they weren't just like hey you want your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/183">TS</a>]

00:03:04   toasters it actually adds four cards [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/184">TS</a>]

00:03:06   against humanity' but instead of an ad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/186">TS</a>]

00:03:08   read they wanted me to do toaster views [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/188">TS</a>]

00:03:09   so they are not advertising [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/189">TS</a>]

00:03:12   quote-unquote advertising on this show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/192">TS</a>]

00:03:14   anymore don't have any other campaigns [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/194">TS</a>]

00:03:16   so that's why there's no more toaster [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/196">TS</a>]

00:03:17   abused and if they did they wouldn't do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/197">TS</a>]

00:03:18   toasters again so you're not gonna get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/198">TS</a>]

00:03:21   any more toaster reviews and we have had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/201">TS</a>]

00:03:23   many people suggest new things that we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/203">TS</a>]

00:03:27   could have a series of reviews for and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/207">TS</a>]

00:03:30   honestly none of them sounded as funny [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/210">TS</a>]

00:03:32   as that like that was such a great thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/212">TS</a>]

00:03:34   it had a wonderful progression it ended [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/214">TS</a>]

00:03:37   I don't think it could have continued [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/217">TS</a>]

00:03:39   indefinitely I think it was pretty much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/219">TS</a>]

00:03:40   done when it ended and every other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/220">TS</a>]

00:03:42   suggestion we've seen since then has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/222">TS</a>]

00:03:44   been less funny [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/224">TS</a>]

00:03:45   so yeah we know buddy has tackled [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/225">TS</a>]

00:03:47   anything more than that and I think it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/227">TS</a>]

00:03:49   probably won't happen it least in that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/229">TS</a>]

00:03:51   format and those suggestions weren't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/231">TS</a>]

00:03:53   from sponsors right that sponsorship is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/233">TS</a>]

00:03:55   the key part of this endured like in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/235">TS</a>]

00:03:59   middle of a tech podcast let's talk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/239">TS</a>]

00:04:00   about toasters for five minutes unless [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/240">TS</a>]

00:04:02   it was a sponsorship behind it yeah like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/242">TS</a>]

00:04:04   and I think one of the one of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/244">TS</a>]

00:04:05   funniest things about that was like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/245">TS</a>]

00:04:07   know cards against humanity' and I'm we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/247">TS</a>]

00:04:10   later came to learn that the person who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/250">TS</a>]

00:04:11   was organizing all this there was Alex [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/251">TS</a>]

00:04:13   Cox now of due by Friday Fame so and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/253">TS</a>]

00:04:17   like they really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/257">TS</a>]

00:04:19   no they weren't just sending random [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/259">TS</a>]

00:04:21   toasters like there was a clear [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/261">TS</a>]

00:04:23   progression like getting like from the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/263">TS</a>]

00:04:26   normal ones slowly into the really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/266">TS</a>]

00:04:28   bizarre and crazy horrible things like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/268">TS</a>]

00:04:30   those big like breakfast stations I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/270">TS</a>]

00:04:32   could make the egg on top and stuff like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/272">TS</a>]

00:04:34   that like it was clearly in this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/274">TS</a>]

00:04:36   wonderful progression that it was it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/276">TS</a>]

00:04:38   just so well done and you got to give [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/278">TS</a>]

00:04:41   cards against humanity' credit for that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/281">TS</a>]

00:04:43   incredible run yeah completely agree [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/283">TS</a>]

00:04:46   with you Cathy wise writes in what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/286">TS</a>]

00:04:50   cameras are you using now and so I will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/290">TS</a>]

00:04:53   begin I am using the same camera that we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/293">TS</a>]

00:04:55   got shortly before Declan was born [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/295">TS</a>]

00:04:57   that's an olympus om-d am 10 which is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/297">TS</a>]

00:05:01   truly terrible name it is a Micro Four [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/301">TS</a>]

00:05:02   Thirds camera I have a prime lens for it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/302">TS</a>]

00:05:05   that is what I use generally speaking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/305">TS</a>]

00:05:07   and if you remember from the last [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/307">TS</a>]

00:05:09   episode which in a teepee time happened [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/309">TS</a>]

00:05:11   about 15 minutes ago um I also have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/311">TS</a>]

00:05:14   zoom lens which I actually quite liked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/314">TS</a>]

00:05:16   and I was going to argue with you mark [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/316">TS</a>]

00:05:18   oh when you were saying oh you can't get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/318">TS</a>]

00:05:19   a zoom lens that you know covers all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/319">TS</a>]

00:05:21   three parts of the triangle if you will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/321">TS</a>]

00:05:23   but as you were talking you would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/323">TS</a>]

00:05:26   mention well you know if you do have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/326">TS</a>]

00:05:28   decent zoom lens that means it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/328">TS</a>]

00:05:30   exorbitantly expensive and still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/330">TS</a>]

00:05:32   probably has some other concessions and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/332">TS</a>]

00:05:35   that is the case for me the zoom lens I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/335">TS</a>]

00:05:37   have was like eight hundred dollars or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/337">TS</a>]

00:05:39   something like that and otherwise it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/339">TS</a>]

00:05:41   very nice it's left 2.8 I think it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/341">TS</a>]

00:05:43   hundred to three hundred millimeters in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/343">TS</a>]

00:05:46   regular cameras I forget what it is in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/346">TS</a>]

00:05:49   Micro Four Thirds but um but anyway I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/349">TS</a>]

00:05:51   liked it a lot but it it was very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/351">TS</a>]

00:05:53   expensive Marco what are you using I am [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/353">TS</a>]

00:05:57   mostly using my iPhone which really sad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/357">TS</a>]

00:06:00   but that is the reality of it we do have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/360">TS</a>]

00:06:03   the 5d Mark for now in our family like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/363">TS</a>]

00:06:07   we actually had we had for years ever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/367">TS</a>]

00:06:10   since they came out we had the 5d mark [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/370">TS</a>]

00:06:12   ii which came out I think in 2007 or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/372">TS</a>]

00:06:14   2008 something like that and it was late [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/374">TS</a>]

00:06:18   2008 and so we had that since then and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/378">TS</a>]

00:06:21   it was great but it was getting along on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/381">TS</a>]

00:06:22   the tooth and in a lot of different ways [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/382">TS</a>]

00:06:25   and so for a little while [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/385">TS</a>]

00:06:26   I had a a Sony phase and because the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/386">TS</a>]

00:06:29   Sony a series of cameras first I had a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/389">TS</a>]

00:06:31   little RX one then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/391">TS</a>]

00:06:32   I had the a7 r2 and those are awesome [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/392">TS</a>]

00:06:36   cameras in a lot of ways but I found [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/396">TS</a>]

00:06:39   I'll make it brief because we've talked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/399">TS</a>]

00:06:41   about this before I have found that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/401">TS</a>]

00:06:44   generally preferred the speed and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/404">TS</a>]

00:06:47   handling and battery life of full-sized [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/407">TS</a>]

00:06:50   SL ARS to the little Sony mirrorless [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/410">TS</a>]

00:06:52   cameras and I think over time that will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/412">TS</a>]

00:06:54   probably eventually change back as this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/414">TS</a>]

00:06:57   little Sony's get better you know the a9 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/417">TS</a>]

00:07:00   has it has now come out and it solves [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/420">TS</a>]

00:07:02   some of the problems I had it makes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/422">TS</a>]

00:07:03   certain things worse so maybe maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/423">TS</a>]

00:07:06   there will be an a7 r3 at some point or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/426">TS</a>]

00:07:09   an a9 mark 2 or something like that that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/429">TS</a>]

00:07:12   I might go back for but for now I'm very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/432">TS</a>]

00:07:14   happy and in the world of big Canon SLRs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/434">TS</a>]

00:07:17   when I need to fit fancy photos but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/437">TS</a>]

00:07:20   take fancy photos less and less every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/440">TS</a>]

00:07:22   year my wife takes them much more often [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/442">TS</a>]

00:07:25   and she is way way better for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/445">TS</a>]

00:07:27   photographer than I am [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/447">TS</a>]

00:07:28   so most of like the the good pictures of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/448">TS</a>]

00:07:32   our family and stuff are taken by her [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/452">TS</a>]

00:07:34   and so that kind of frees me up to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/454">TS</a>]

00:07:36   mostly the casual stuff so that's I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/456">TS</a>]

00:07:39   shooting mostly on my iPhone if I shoot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/459">TS</a>]

00:07:41   anything at all I'm still using my sony [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/461">TS</a>]

00:07:44   a6300 i thought of trading into for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/464">TS</a>]

00:07:47   6,500 those right up until I saw that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/467">TS</a>]

00:07:49   the battery life was slightly worse and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/469">TS</a>]

00:07:51   I really much did it for me because the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/471">TS</a>]

00:07:52   battery life in 6300 is just barely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/472">TS</a>]

00:07:55   enough like I have two batteries and on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/475">TS</a>]

00:07:58   vacation I never needed to swap the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/478">TS</a>]

00:07:59   batteries even a day at the ocean but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/479">TS</a>]

00:08:01   come close and so I don't think that can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/481">TS</a>]

00:08:03   give up that whatever 10% battery life [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/483">TS</a>]

00:08:05   and the 600 is more expensive and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/485">TS</a>]

00:08:08   I've never I've never done this swap I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/488">TS</a>]

00:08:09   stopped looking at it I'm still you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/489">TS</a>]

00:08:11   I was still recommending 6,500 or with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/491">TS</a>]

00:08:13   the 6300 as long as you can deal with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/493">TS</a>]

00:08:15   the battery life but be sure that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/495">TS</a>]

00:08:17   can because that's that's a big quality [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/497">TS</a>]

00:08:18   of life issue so I'm happy with that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/498">TS</a>]

00:08:21   the only new lens I got recently was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/501">TS</a>]

00:08:23   that is that big zoom I forget which one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/503">TS</a>]

00:08:24   it is but it's one of the sony ones it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/504">TS</a>]

00:08:27   not it's not a very good line it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/507">TS</a>]

00:08:28   whatever it's what is it 55 to 300 so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/508">TS</a>]

00:08:32   it's a pretty big range again adjusting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/512">TS</a>]

00:08:35   for what that is on a PC sensor it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/515">TS</a>]

00:08:38   you know those are the full frame [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/518">TS</a>]

00:08:39   numbers still like my 50 millimeter to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/519">TS</a>]

00:08:42   prime the best I have my own [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/522">TS</a>]

00:08:44   super-expensive zoom that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/524">TS</a>]

00:08:46   sixteen to seventy and there's over a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/526">TS</a>]

00:08:48   thousand dollars and that is my sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/528">TS</a>]

00:08:50   general purpose lens that I keep on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/530">TS</a>]

00:08:52   thing it's not as good as fifty Prime [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/532">TS</a>]

00:08:54   and it doesn't zoom as long as the big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/534">TS</a>]

00:08:56   zoom but it's kind of a nice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/536">TS</a>]

00:08:57   all-arounder and to get a reasonable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/537">TS</a>]

00:08:59   okay all around or a thousand bucks so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/539">TS</a>]

00:09:02   yeah indeed also from kathy wise did the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/542">TS</a>]

00:09:06   last show which was actually two shows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/546">TS</a>]

00:09:08   ago if I'm doing this mental math right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/548">TS</a>]

00:09:10   shame you into clearing out your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/550">TS</a>]

00:09:11   application folders no it did not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/551">TS</a>]

00:09:13   nope not only did not shame me into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/553">TS</a>]

00:09:17   cleaning out my application folder but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/557">TS</a>]

00:09:18   realized after we finished that show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/558">TS</a>]

00:09:20   that I was just looking at slash [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/560">TS</a>]

00:09:21   applications I also have a tilde slash [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/561">TS</a>]

00:09:24   applications with way more things way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/564">TS</a>]

00:09:26   more things that's like an old an old [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/566">TS</a>]

00:09:29   school next early Mac OS ten or a thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/569">TS</a>]

00:09:32   of having an applications folder in your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/572">TS</a>]

00:09:34   home directory which you could totally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/574">TS</a>]

00:09:35   have and the OS knows about it and gives [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/575">TS</a>]

00:09:37   it the little a icon but only weird [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/577">TS</a>]

00:09:39   people do that all right moving on uh-oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/579">TS</a>]

00:09:44   plez asks which ad blocker do you guys [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/584">TS</a>]

00:09:48   did actually Marco choose it's not you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/588">TS</a>]

00:09:50   guys which ad blocker did Marco choose [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/590">TS</a>]

00:09:52   I'm kind of you know I'm I I was for a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/592">TS</a>]

00:09:56   long time so as soon as I killed peace [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/596">TS</a>]

00:09:58   within I think a month or two I stopped [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/598">TS</a>]

00:10:01   using it too and you kind of just to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/601">TS</a>]

00:10:03   fair and kind of felt wrong for me to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/603">TS</a>]

00:10:04   use it and no one else did I switched to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/604">TS</a>]

00:10:07   one blocker back then and one blocker is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/607">TS</a>]

00:10:10   fine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/610">TS</a>]

00:10:11   it's I don't have really much bad to say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/611">TS</a>]

00:10:13   about it or much great to say about it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/613">TS</a>]

00:10:16   it's just if you're gonna go with one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/616">TS</a>]

00:10:17   those mass-market blockers one blocker [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/617">TS</a>]

00:10:19   at the time I I looked was the best one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/619">TS</a>]

00:10:22   I have noticed though over time more and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/622">TS</a>]

00:10:25   more sites are broken by it and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/625">TS</a>]

00:10:29   there was a there was one of the iOS 11 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/629">TS</a>]

00:10:32   betas where it was not working due to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/632">TS</a>]

00:10:34   some limits that had changed so I went [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/634">TS</a>]

00:10:37   looking and I started using better which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/637">TS</a>]

00:10:39   is better why it's a paid app and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/639">TS</a>]

00:10:42   it's like five bucks they have a Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/642">TS</a>]

00:10:44   version and the iOS version which is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/644">TS</a>]

00:10:45   nice and the Mac version can't keep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/645">TS</a>]

00:10:46   itself up to date which is nice it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/646">TS</a>]

00:10:48   little like menu bar extra thing and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/648">TS</a>]

00:10:50   I've been trying better out it doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/650">TS</a>]

00:10:52   seem to block as much stuff as one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/652">TS</a>]

00:10:55   blocker but it also doesn't break as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/655">TS</a>]

00:10:57   many sites and it seems to block enough [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/657">TS</a>]

00:10:59   that works for me and it seems to get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/659">TS</a>]

00:11:01   regular updates so right now I'm using [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/661">TS</a>]

00:11:03   better but I've only been using it for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/663">TS</a>]

00:11:05   maybe a few weeks at most so it's hard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/665">TS</a>]

00:11:08   for me to really say you should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/668">TS</a>]

00:11:10   definitely go buy this but if you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/670">TS</a>]

00:11:11   looking to buy something right now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/671">TS</a>]

00:11:13   that's the one I would start with John [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/673">TS</a>]

00:11:16   any thoughts I also use one blocker for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/676">TS</a>]

00:11:18   the record but John any thoughts I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/678">TS</a>]

00:11:20   also using one blocker but occasionally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/680">TS</a>]

00:11:23   I don't know sometimes it gets turned [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/683">TS</a>]

00:11:25   off and I don't notice for a while I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/685">TS</a>]

00:11:27   don't have a good blocker situation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/687">TS</a>]

00:11:29   going on I'm you know and half the time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/689">TS</a>]

00:11:32   when things don't work I do a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/692">TS</a>]

00:11:34   long hold down on the reload to reload [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/694">TS</a>]

00:11:36   with that blocker some I think some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/696">TS</a>]

00:11:39   sites get me more obnoxious one the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/699">TS</a>]

00:11:41   Boston Globe is like you're running an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/701">TS</a>]

00:11:43   ad blocker or I don't like you whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/703">TS</a>]

00:11:45   and it's like alright well fine I gotta [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/705">TS</a>]

00:11:47   learn not to even tap those links and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/707">TS</a>]

00:11:50   some site I think it's like the Atlantic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/710">TS</a>]

00:11:51   or something like that is like sorry [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/711">TS</a>]

00:11:54   something is wrong and we can't serve [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/714">TS</a>]

00:11:56   you ads and so I reload without content [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/716">TS</a>]

00:11:58   blockers and it says the same thing like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/718">TS</a>]

00:11:59   what do you want me to do things like or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/719">TS</a>]

00:12:01   like you're running an income unit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/721">TS</a>]

00:12:02   I'm not I'm not an income UNAM oh I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/722">TS</a>]

00:12:04   just on my phone and I want to read your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/724">TS</a>]

00:12:06   website and I turn everything off and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/726">TS</a>]

00:12:07   you still and the worst thing is it does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/727">TS</a>]

00:12:09   it with like a sheet that goes down over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/729">TS</a>]

00:12:11   the actual article you just want to like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/731">TS</a>]

00:12:12   right click and spend complete node on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/732">TS</a>]

00:12:15   your phone it's like this is Casey [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/735">TS</a>]

00:12:18   occasionally goes off on his little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/738">TS</a>]

00:12:20   angry rants about how he feels [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/740">TS</a>]

00:12:22   constrained by iOS I have that in small [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/742">TS</a>]

00:12:24   degrees too and it's basically whenever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/744">TS</a>]

00:12:26   I do anything on a webpage and I realize [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/746">TS</a>]

00:12:27   I don't have access to my web developer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/747">TS</a>]

00:12:29   tools and I feel just just completely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/749">TS</a>]

00:12:31   crippled it's like it's just a stupid [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/751">TS</a>]

00:12:32   web it's just a just freaking did let me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/752">TS</a>]

00:12:34   delete it like it's nice just saw the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/754">TS</a>]

00:12:36   articles right there so here's what I do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/756">TS</a>]

00:12:37   I this is what I literally do to find [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/757">TS</a>]

00:12:39   out if I want to actually read the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/759">TS</a>]

00:12:40   article I do a long press to read the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/760">TS</a>]

00:12:42   slug in the URL hoping that it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/762">TS</a>]

00:12:44   something sensible sometimes it's not or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/764">TS</a>]

00:12:47   repeatedly revisit the page and tried to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/767">TS</a>]

00:12:49   read the headline before the stupid [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/769">TS</a>]

00:12:50   thing slides down I'm like I get you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/770">TS</a>]

00:12:52   know three words and oh it slid down and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/772">TS</a>]

00:12:53   then every though three words and just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/773">TS</a>]

00:12:54   to find out is this a story that I want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/774">TS</a>]

00:12:56   to bother going to a quote unquote real [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/776">TS</a>]

00:12:59   web browser and you know looking at or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/779">TS</a>]

00:13:02   whatever anyway websites are annoying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/782">TS</a>]

00:13:04   you guys try way too hard to really if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/784">TS</a>]

00:13:07   if a site makes it difficult for me to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/787">TS</a>]

00:13:09   read an article I just close it and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/789">TS</a>]

00:13:11   move on because like you know what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/791">TS</a>]

00:13:13   no matter how good of a writer you are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/793">TS</a>]

00:13:15   or no matter how great of journalists [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/795">TS</a>]

00:13:17   you are or whatever else there's a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/797">TS</a>]

00:13:20   of things to read out there on the web [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/800">TS</a>]

00:13:21   and if you're gonna make it hard for me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/801">TS</a>]

00:13:23   to read yours I'm just not going to read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/803">TS</a>]

00:13:25   it and that might be like if if you have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/805">TS</a>]

00:13:27   a site with like an anti ad blocker [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/807">TS</a>]

00:13:29   blocker thing if you won't let me read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/809">TS</a>]

00:13:33   the site with an ad blocker that's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/813">TS</a>]

00:13:34   fair game I I respect that decision of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/814">TS</a>]

00:13:36   yours but that means I'm not going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/816">TS</a>]

00:13:39   trim off my blocker I'm just not going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/819">TS</a>]

00:13:40   to read it like that's but if that's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/820">TS</a>]

00:13:42   option you presented then fine that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/822">TS</a>]

00:13:44   what I'm saying like I'm I'm willing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/824">TS</a>]

00:13:45   like oh you have an ad bugger like fine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/825">TS</a>]

00:13:48   I will turn off my ad blocker I'll turn [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/828">TS</a>]

00:13:50   it off I'll be likely reload without [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/830">TS</a>]

00:13:52   content blockers Here I am I'm ready to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/832">TS</a>]

00:13:54   see your thing it's not being that a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/834">TS</a>]

00:13:55   paywall not like they want me to sign up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/835">TS</a>]

00:13:57   subscribe or pay money like there is no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/837">TS</a>]

00:13:59   the site is just broken is what I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/839">TS</a>]

00:14:00   saying this is a pretty well on site [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/840">TS</a>]

00:14:01   maybe it's the Atlantic or whatever it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/841">TS</a>]

00:14:03   like I'm doing everything you want me to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/843">TS</a>]

00:14:05   do turn off all my blockers turn them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/845">TS</a>]

00:14:07   off in settings not be an incognito mode [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/847">TS</a>]

00:14:09   there's no pay wall you're not asking me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/849">TS</a>]

00:14:12   to sign up or subscribe you just every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/852">TS</a>]

00:14:14   time I try to load it's like sorry I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/854">TS</a>]

00:14:16   couldn't figure out something and I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/856">TS</a>]

00:14:18   gonna put a big slide a big animated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/858">TS</a>]

00:14:19   sheet down over the article that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/859">TS</a>]

00:14:21   perfectly good bit on there's no reader [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/861">TS</a>]

00:14:22   mode for people asking there's no you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/862">TS</a>]

00:14:23   know websites man like do you ever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/863">TS</a>]

00:14:26   testing the iPhone it's a popular [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/866">TS</a>]

00:14:28   platform we are sponsored this week by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/868">TS</a>]

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00:14:38   home tryouts today at Warby Parker comm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/878">TS</a>]

00:14:40   slash ATP Warby Parker believes that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/880">TS</a>]

00:14:43   eyeglasses [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/883">TS</a>]

00:14:44   should not cost as much as a phone they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/884">TS</a>]

00:14:46   offer prescription eyeglasses and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/886">TS</a>]

00:14:48   sunglasses starting at just 95 dollars [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/888">TS</a>]

00:14:51   including the lenses they make buying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/891">TS</a>]

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00:14:58   to order five pairs of frames and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/898">TS</a>]

00:15:01   get to try them on for five days and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/901">TS</a>]

00:15:03   there's no obligation to buy it ships to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/903">TS</a>]

00:15:05   you for free and it includes a free [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/905">TS</a>]

00:15:07   prepaid return label and all you got to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/907">TS</a>]

00:15:10   do is pick out what you want and they'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/910">TS</a>]

00:15:12   send you this box a home try ons you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/912">TS</a>]

00:15:14   can't rhyme you can show people in your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/914">TS</a>]

00:15:15   life you can look in the mirror you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/915">TS</a>]

00:15:17   take pictures whatever you want to do to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/917">TS</a>]

00:15:19   decide what's right for you and there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/919">TS</a>]

00:15:20   no obligation you don't have to buy any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/920">TS</a>]

00:15:22   of them but I bet you will because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/922">TS</a>]

00:15:23   they're really high-quality glasses my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/923">TS</a>]

00:15:25   wife has a bunch of these and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/925">TS</a>]

00:15:27   are just wonderful and they come with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/927">TS</a>]

00:15:29   great accessories a nice hard case a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/929">TS</a>]

00:15:31   cleaning cloth and for every pair you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/931">TS</a>]

00:15:33   buy a pairs distributed through robot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/933">TS</a>]

00:15:36   vision charities to someone in need [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/936">TS</a>]

00:15:38   where we Parker really believes in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/938">TS</a>]

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00:15:42   make great glasses and they're helping [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/942">TS</a>]

00:15:43   the world - with these charities get a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/943">TS</a>]

00:15:45   free home try on program today you will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/945">TS</a>]

00:15:48   be shocked how nice these glasses are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/948">TS</a>]

00:15:49   they're trendy designs they have anti [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/949">TS</a>]

00:15:51   glare and anti scratch coatings and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/951">TS</a>]

00:15:54   even have a home Tryon companion feature [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/954">TS</a>]

00:15:56   which allows you to use their fuck their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/956">TS</a>]

00:15:58   iPhone app to preview how the glasses [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/958">TS</a>]

00:16:01   will look on your face you can stitch it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/961">TS</a>]

00:16:03   into a video you can share it with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/963">TS</a>]

00:16:04   friends to help you pick a winner even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/964">TS</a>]

00:16:06   before you get the frames mailed to you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/966">TS</a>]

00:16:08   in the home Tryon program you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/968">TS</a>]

00:16:10   preview how they're gonna look on you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/970">TS</a>]

00:16:11   and then you can educate your guesses [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/971">TS</a>]

00:16:12   that way it's so they make it so easy to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/972">TS</a>]

00:16:15   buy glasses online and the value here is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/975">TS</a>]

00:16:17   incredible all this starts at just 95 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/977">TS</a>]

00:16:19   dollars and they also offer sunglasses [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/979">TS</a>]

00:16:21   non-prescription starting at just 95 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/981">TS</a>]

00:16:23   dollars [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/983">TS</a>]

00:16:24   prescription starting at just 175 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/984">TS</a>]

00:16:25   dollars just like their eyeglasses their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/985">TS</a>]

00:16:27   sunglasses are also available through [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/987">TS</a>]

00:16:29   their home Tryon program they have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/989">TS</a>]

00:16:31   premium polarized lenses that are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/991">TS</a>]

00:16:32   scratch resistant and provide a 100% UV [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/992">TS</a>]

00:16:34   protection so check that today we read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/994">TS</a>]

00:16:36   Parker offers such a great value suck [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/996">TS</a>]

00:16:38   great glasses for starting at just 95 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/998">TS</a>]

00:16:40   dollars go to worry Parker comm slash [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1000">TS</a>]

00:16:42   ATP to get that free home try on KITT [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1002">TS</a>]

00:16:45   started and you'll see for yourself how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1005">TS</a>]

00:16:47   great they are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1007">TS</a>]

00:16:47   thank you very much to Warby Parker for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1007">TS</a>]

00:16:49   sponsoring our show alright Jack Johnson [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1009">TS</a>]

00:16:55   yes from New York City apparently has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1015">TS</a>]

00:16:59   two questions that are related do you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1019">TS</a>]

00:17:00   think it would be a good move for iTunes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1020">TS</a>]

00:17:02   to offer a higher resolution audio file [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1022">TS</a>]

00:17:04   for download or streaming and then kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1024">TS</a>]

00:17:07   of tangentially related do you think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1027">TS</a>]

00:17:09   part of the HEV C strategy is to set the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1029">TS</a>]

00:17:12   groundwork for 4k streaming I will say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1032">TS</a>]

00:17:15   that I don't think anyone really cares [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1035">TS</a>]

00:17:17   except Marco about high resolution audio [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1037">TS</a>]

00:17:19   coming out of iTunes and I don't I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1039">TS</a>]

00:17:23   even care about that I'm surprised so as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1043">TS</a>]

00:17:25   for all my like audio file nests when it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1045">TS</a>]

00:17:27   comes to like selecting headphones and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1047">TS</a>]

00:17:29   stuff I have never been swayed by like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1049">TS</a>]

00:17:34   higher than CD quality audio files or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1054">TS</a>]

00:17:37   lossless compression schemes I know a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1057">TS</a>]

00:17:39   lot of people like these a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1059">TS</a>]

00:17:41   think they can hear a difference I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1061">TS</a>]

00:17:43   think you can but I know for sure that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1063">TS</a>]

00:17:45   can't I hold on though hold on how do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1065">TS</a>]

00:17:47   you download your Phish concerts mp3 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1067">TS</a>]

00:17:50   they offer flack option I am stunned [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1070">TS</a>]

00:17:53   that's what I assumed you were gonna say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1073">TS</a>]

00:17:54   no they offer flack for a few more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1074">TS</a>]

00:17:56   dollars and there is so I have bought so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1076">TS</a>]

00:17:59   quick quick background here fish sells [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1079">TS</a>]

00:18:02   all their live shows legally through [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1082">TS</a>]

00:18:04   their own site like a few hours after [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1084">TS</a>]

00:18:06   the show's end and you can buy a season [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1086">TS</a>]

00:18:08   pass and you can you can basically have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1088">TS</a>]

00:18:10   have downloads and for sure they do for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1090">TS</a>]

00:18:12   like a whole tour so I do this I've been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1092">TS</a>]

00:18:14   doing this since something like 2009 or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1094">TS</a>]

00:18:16   so and there was one tour early on that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1096">TS</a>]

00:18:20   I bought in flack i pre-ordered it oh my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1100">TS</a>]

00:18:23   gosh let me get the flag verge and I'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1103">TS</a>]

00:18:24   see if it's something different and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1104">TS</a>]

00:18:26   was such a pain because like first of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1106">TS</a>]

00:18:29   all iTunes didn't support flack at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1109">TS</a>]

00:18:31   time I think I think it actually is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1111">TS</a>]

00:18:32   finally having that in High Sierra I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1112">TS</a>]

00:18:34   think but it didn't the time and and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1114">TS</a>]

00:18:37   I had all these massive files that first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1117">TS</a>]

00:18:40   of all I didn't want to ever delete them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1120">TS</a>]

00:18:42   because like when I paid for these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1122">TS</a>]

00:18:44   massive files so there's taking up ton [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1124">TS</a>]

00:18:46   spacing the harder that I still had to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1126">TS</a>]

00:18:47   transcode them to make them actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1127">TS</a>]

00:18:49   playable in anything I did play the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1129">TS</a>]

00:18:53   original ones or there was C I think I I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1133">TS</a>]

00:18:55   think one one time I transferred them to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1135">TS</a>]

00:18:57   a lack or maybe I'd download maybe they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1137">TS</a>]

00:18:59   sold them as a lack I forget so I did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1139">TS</a>]

00:19:02   for a group of them transfer them and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1142">TS</a>]

00:19:04   play them as lossless files as a lack [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1144">TS</a>]

00:19:07   files in iTunes and I just I couldn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1147">TS</a>]

00:19:09   tell the difference at all and there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1149">TS</a>]

00:19:11   there's lots of again there's lots of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1151">TS</a>]

00:19:13   people who claim they can hit they can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1153">TS</a>]

00:19:14   hear a difference there's a whole lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1154">TS</a>]

00:19:16   tests that have been done that I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1156">TS</a>]

00:19:17   shown mostly otherwise but this is one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1157">TS</a>]

00:19:21   of those things kind of like my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1161">TS</a>]

00:19:22   subwoofer thing from last episode of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1162">TS</a>]

00:19:24   like I do things my way and some people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1164">TS</a>]

00:19:27   consider them insufficient or some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1167">TS</a>]

00:19:29   people want better things and I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1169">TS</a>]

00:19:32   I'm just I don't I can't care anymore [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1172">TS</a>]

00:19:34   like if you want to do things your own [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1174">TS</a>]

00:19:36   way if you want to get massive files [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1176">TS</a>]

00:19:37   with you know 24 96 or 24:1 need to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1177">TS</a>]

00:19:41   sample rates and if you want to have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1181">TS</a>]

00:19:43   lossless encoding and you want your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1183">TS</a>]

00:19:45   albums to take up a gig each fine it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1185">TS</a>]

00:19:48   hard drive space is cheap do whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1188">TS</a>]

00:19:50   you want well I could not possibly agree [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1190">TS</a>]

00:19:53   with you more but I was expecting to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1193">TS</a>]

00:19:55   snicker as you told me about how flack [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1195">TS</a>]

00:19:57   is the only answer so kudos to you sir I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1197">TS</a>]

00:20:00   am stunned do you want audio that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1200">TS</a>]

00:20:02   lower quality and has like hiss and pop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1202">TS</a>]

00:20:03   in it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1203">TS</a>]

00:20:06   here we go something for Casey like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1206">TS</a>]

00:20:11   don't I think it's not the right move [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1211">TS</a>]

00:20:14   for Apple to offer hi Rosa no audio but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1214">TS</a>]

00:20:17   if Apple ever gets to the point I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1217">TS</a>]

00:20:19   think they will because again streaming [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1219">TS</a>]

00:20:20   is what everyone cares about now is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1220">TS</a>]

00:20:22   Marco pointed out earlier slash on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1222">TS</a>]

00:20:24   last show but it would be a way to make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1224">TS</a>]

00:20:28   the Ferrari you have purchasable down a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1228">TS</a>]

00:20:30   little music hey can we charge more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1230">TS</a>]

00:20:32   money for something that people perceive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1232">TS</a>]

00:20:33   as better the answer is yes you can you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1233">TS</a>]

00:20:37   so lossless or a higher bitrate or some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1237">TS</a>]

00:20:40   combination thereof and the very small [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1240">TS</a>]

00:20:42   number of people who think that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1242">TS</a>]

00:20:44   worthwhile for them will buy it doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1244">TS</a>]

00:20:46   really matter if anyone can you hear the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1246">TS</a>]

00:20:47   difference only matters whether they'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1247">TS</a>]

00:20:49   give you money in exchange for these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1249">TS</a>]

00:20:50   goods which are able to be produced so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1250">TS</a>]

00:20:52   wouldn't totally rule it out I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1252">TS</a>]

00:20:53   think it's some Apple needs to do at all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1253">TS</a>]

00:20:55   but someday if buying music at all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1255">TS</a>]

00:20:59   downloadable continues to be a thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1259">TS</a>]

00:21:00   some smart person in marketing may say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1260">TS</a>]

00:21:03   we're leaving money on the table by not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1263">TS</a>]

00:21:04   selling high-resolution audio and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1264">TS</a>]

00:21:07   they'll just do it and charge more money [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1267">TS</a>]

00:21:09   for it and a couple people will buy it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1269">TS</a>]

00:21:11   and it'll be a tiny bump in a graph and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1271">TS</a>]

00:21:12   someone will get a good performance [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1272">TS</a>]

00:21:14   review yeah but anyway the thing is like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1274">TS</a>]

00:21:17   there is demand for this there is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1277">TS</a>]

00:21:19   absolutely demand for higher than CD [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1279">TS</a>]

00:21:23   quality sample rates and everything and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1283">TS</a>]

00:21:25   higher bitrate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1285">TS</a>]

00:21:26   format or more advanced formats or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1286">TS</a>]

00:21:28   lossless formats there is definitely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1288">TS</a>]

00:21:29   demand for that like most people don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1289">TS</a>]

00:21:32   even know like people who listen to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1292">TS</a>]

00:21:33   show probably unaware quite how many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1293">TS</a>]

00:21:37   options there are for what basically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1297">TS</a>]

00:21:40   amount to fancy iPods that sell today [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1300">TS</a>]

00:21:45   for like $400 or more that like their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1305">TS</a>]

00:21:49   like their the Sony makes a bunch of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1309">TS</a>]

00:21:51   them they're basically little you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1311">TS</a>]

00:21:53   pocketable portable audio players the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1313">TS</a>]

00:21:55   you know size like a deck of cards like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1315">TS</a>]

00:21:57   that kind of size class that have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1317">TS</a>]

00:21:59   headphone just like the old iPod Classic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1319">TS</a>]

00:22:01   that play these super high bitrate files [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1321">TS</a>]

00:22:04   like they could actually output them and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1324">TS</a>]

00:22:06   decode them with a fancy DAC and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1326">TS</a>]

00:22:07   everything else [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1327">TS</a>]

00:22:08   this market exists people buy these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1328">TS</a>]

00:22:10   things for like $400 but not a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1330">TS</a>]

00:22:14   people and there are streaming services [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1334">TS</a>]

00:22:16   things like Neil Young's paano things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1336">TS</a>]

00:22:18   like even tidal which is a fairly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1338">TS</a>]

00:22:21   decently sized streaming service now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1341">TS</a>]

00:22:23   like streaming services that IV that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1343">TS</a>]

00:22:25   have either been or even music sales [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1345">TS</a>]

00:22:29   service I don't think paano even was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1349">TS</a>]

00:22:30   streaming I think it only sold stuff if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1350">TS</a>]

00:22:32   it even still exists but anyway there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1352">TS</a>]

00:22:34   are services that we've Excel you high [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1354">TS</a>]

00:22:36   bitrate music legally or that will let [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1356">TS</a>]

00:22:39   you stream them like tidal and they use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1359">TS</a>]

00:22:42   these things as they use the quality as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1362">TS</a>]

00:22:44   their main selling point but they don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1364">TS</a>]

00:22:46   really ever become mass-market they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1366">TS</a>]

00:22:47   don't really ever get anywhere off the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1367">TS</a>]

00:22:49   ground really the only reason title has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1369">TS</a>]

00:22:51   gotten anywhere is because it has had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1371">TS</a>]

00:22:53   exclusives like they've had exclusive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1373">TS</a>]

00:22:55   album releases on there other than that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1375">TS</a>]

00:22:57   they were like when they were when they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1377">TS</a>]

00:22:59   were really only about the music quality [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1379">TS</a>]

00:23:00   they got nowhere the fact is most people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1380">TS</a>]

00:23:03   don't care and most people don't need to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1383">TS</a>]

00:23:06   care because for most of these gains [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1386">TS</a>]

00:23:07   there actually is no perceptible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1387">TS</a>]

00:23:09   difference to most people so while Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1389">TS</a>]

00:23:11   could sell high bitrate songs and stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1391">TS</a>]

00:23:14   that would just be appealing to a very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1394">TS</a>]

00:23:17   very small market in what is already a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1397">TS</a>]

00:23:19   declining market which is the market of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1399">TS</a>]

00:23:21   music sales so the second part of this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1401">TS</a>]

00:23:24   about HEV C being part of 4k yep 100% [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1404">TS</a>]

00:23:27   like the 4k video is bigger HEV see is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1407">TS</a>]

00:23:31   higher efficiency codec it supports [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1411">TS</a>]

00:23:33   higher resolutions for like for video [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1413">TS</a>]

00:23:36   not just the images with the he thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1416">TS</a>]

00:23:38   anyway yes it's 100% part of that and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1418">TS</a>]

00:23:40   that's why we're gonna see a 4k Apple TV [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1420">TS</a>]

00:23:42   and a TVC encoded content that plays on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1422">TS</a>]

00:23:45   it I agree [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1425">TS</a>]

00:23:47   Adam sac writes in to say and this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1427">TS</a>]

00:23:51   the first in theme that I noticed which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1431">TS</a>]

00:23:54   was try to get the ATP host to hate each [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1434">TS</a>]

00:23:57   other so he writes in if you had to use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1437">TS</a>]

00:24:00   the daily text setup of one of your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1440">TS</a>]

00:24:02   co-hosts for a week instead of your own [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1442">TS</a>]

00:24:04   whose devices would you choose and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1444">TS</a>]

00:24:07   will start off and I would probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1447">TS</a>]

00:24:09   choose Marcos because it is in general [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1449">TS</a>]

00:24:11   most similar to my setup [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1451">TS</a>]

00:24:13   obviously there are differences but most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1453">TS</a>]

00:24:15   similar to mine and he has some pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1455">TS</a>]

00:24:17   kick-ass headphones so win-win everyone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1457">TS</a>]

00:24:20   would pick [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1460">TS</a>]

00:24:20   Margot's including Marco because Marcos [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1460">TS</a>]

00:24:30   yeah I would pick cases because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1470">TS</a>]

00:24:33   non-retina sorry John you lose you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1473">TS</a>]

00:24:36   shoulda picked my wife's you could pick [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1476">TS</a>]

00:24:38   the 5k iMac it's the one without image [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1478">TS</a>]

00:24:40   retention yeah that's actually better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1480">TS</a>]

00:24:41   than mine that's funny [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1481">TS</a>]

00:24:45   Ian Marin rates in to say and I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1485">TS</a>]

00:24:48   think I selected this as one to answer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1488">TS</a>]

00:24:50   but I have a feeling I know who did Ivan [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1490">TS</a>]

00:24:53   Inouye to cord when's the ideal time to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1493">TS</a>]

00:24:56   replace it it's at about eighty thousand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1496">TS</a>]

00:24:57   miles no maintenance issues to date John [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1497">TS</a>]

00:25:00   did you perhaps star this as a question [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1500">TS</a>]

00:25:02   to me I did so the right time probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1502">TS</a>]

00:25:07   the best time to replace this Accord was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1507">TS</a>]

00:25:10   right now or last year because the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1510">TS</a>]

00:25:14   best time to get an accord is at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1514">TS</a>]

00:25:16   tail end of a generation when they've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1516">TS</a>]

00:25:19   worked all the kinks out of it and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1519">TS</a>]

00:25:20   have we always get like the special [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1520">TS</a>]

00:25:22   edition even though you don't get the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1522">TS</a>]

00:25:22   special edition like they know how to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1522">TS</a>]

00:25:25   build that generation of car has the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1525">TS</a>]

00:25:26   most doodads and and you know nice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1526">TS</a>]

00:25:29   things added to it and they figured out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1529">TS</a>]

00:25:31   low and the first model to put the USB [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1531">TS</a>]

00:25:32   port in the wrong place or you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1532">TS</a>]

00:25:34   fiddle things like that's the time to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1534">TS</a>]

00:25:36   get it the the first car versed in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1536">TS</a>]

00:25:40   new Accord I think the new Accord is is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1540">TS</a>]

00:25:43   uglier than the old one but it does have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1543">TS</a>]

00:25:46   a better infotainment system so that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1546">TS</a>]

00:25:48   the other time you can get us like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1548">TS</a>]

00:25:50   excitement of getting in on the first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1550">TS</a>]

00:25:53   car and in your generation but in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1553">TS</a>]

00:25:55   general when your court starts getting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1555">TS</a>]

00:25:56   to be around 10 years old I feel like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1556">TS</a>]

00:25:58   that's the time to if you want to have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1558">TS</a>]

00:26:00   any chance of having any reasonable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1560">TS</a>]

00:26:01   trade in on it or private sale whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1561">TS</a>]

00:26:04   you want to do with it don't wait until [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1564">TS</a>]

00:26:05   the car is basically worthless or it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1565">TS</a>]

00:26:07   worth like a couple hundred bucks wait [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1567">TS</a>]

00:26:08   till it's you know it's still a couple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1568">TS</a>]

00:26:09   thousand dollars for the value in your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1569">TS</a>]

00:26:11   car it's before crap starts breaking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1571">TS</a>]

00:26:13   like you said you know is 80,000 miles [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1573">TS</a>]

00:26:15   nothing as nothing as issued with it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1575">TS</a>]

00:26:17   it's a no wait right it's getting to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1577">TS</a>]

00:26:20   around 10 years time to replace you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1580">TS</a>]

00:26:24   just as a point of comparison I pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1584">TS</a>]

00:26:26   much agree with you but uh when we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1586">TS</a>]

00:26:28   bought the Volvo we traded in Aaron's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1588">TS</a>]

00:26:32   2007 Maz [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1592">TS</a>]

00:26:34   six which had a little bit shy of 80,000 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1594">TS</a>]

00:26:36   miles on it and as I believe I talked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1596">TS</a>]

00:26:37   about on the show was pretty much a tank [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1597">TS</a>]

00:26:39   like that thing almost never had any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1599">TS</a>]

00:26:41   problems and we got three thousand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1601">TS</a>]

00:26:45   dollars in change for it I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1605">TS</a>]

00:26:47   Carmack's offered us three grand so it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1607">TS</a>]

00:26:49   was not worthless by any means but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1609">TS</a>]

00:26:51   agree with you John that this is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1611">TS</a>]

00:26:53   kind of edge of the cliff I think and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1613">TS</a>]

00:26:55   you go too much further and you're gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1615">TS</a>]

00:26:57   fall right off that cliff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1617">TS</a>]

00:26:59   Marco any thoughts on this nope [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1619">TS</a>]

00:27:02   good talk Joe Sullivan writes in is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1622">TS</a>]

00:27:05   there anything that siracusa is in favor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1625">TS</a>]

00:27:07   of or likes without any caveats [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1627">TS</a>]

00:27:09   reservations or asterisks and I have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1629">TS</a>]

00:27:12   I have to congratulate Joe Sullivan [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1632">TS</a>]

00:27:13   because there are about a million ways [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1633">TS</a>]

00:27:15   to ask this question like a big fat jerk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1635">TS</a>]

00:27:17   and this was not one of them so well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1637">TS</a>]

00:27:19   done that's a great question put too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1639">TS</a>]

00:27:22   many things at the end of this question [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1642">TS</a>]

00:27:23   caveat reservations or asterisks well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1643">TS</a>]

00:27:26   caveat you can I know what that means [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1646">TS</a>]

00:27:27   reservations mean it's all getting over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1647">TS</a>]

00:27:29   they asterisk me like Oh something else [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1649">TS</a>]

00:27:31   in addition that you want to say about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1651">TS</a>]

00:27:33   like the answer question there is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1653">TS</a>]

00:27:35   nothing nothing so perfect come on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1655">TS</a>]

00:27:36   that's right things that I really like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1656">TS</a>]

00:27:41   but if press to say hey you really like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1661">TS</a>]

00:27:44   Kiki's Delivery Service is there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1664">TS</a>]

00:27:45   anything wrong with that movie well I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1665">TS</a>]

00:27:48   mean cause it's actually probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1668">TS</a>]

00:27:50   closest like I can if pressed I can come [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1670">TS</a>]

00:27:53   up with asterisks for Kiki's Delivery [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1673">TS</a>]

00:27:56   Service sure of course you can right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1676">TS</a>]

00:27:59   there is nothing is gonna be absolutely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1679">TS</a>]

00:28:01   perfect if you can't if you literally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1681">TS</a>]

00:28:04   can't think of anything wrong with it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1684">TS</a>]

00:28:05   then you probably don't understand the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1685">TS</a>]

00:28:07   thing but that doesn't mean like these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1687">TS</a>]

00:28:08   are my favorite things in the whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1688">TS</a>]

00:28:09   world like overwhelmingly everything I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1689">TS</a>]

00:28:11   feel about these is that they're great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1691">TS</a>]

00:28:13   right so I think that qualifies them and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1693">TS</a>]

00:28:16   I at that reasonable definition of is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1696">TS</a>]

00:28:18   there anything that you are like without [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1698">TS</a>]

00:28:21   any caveats reservation like if someone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1701">TS</a>]

00:28:23   says hey you know I need a good movie to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1703">TS</a>]

00:28:27   watch and I say well if you've never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1707">TS</a>]

00:28:29   seen the Empire Strikes Back watch watch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1709">TS</a>]

00:28:31   Star Wars and Empire Strikes Back I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1711">TS</a>]

00:28:32   not gonna add reservations [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1712">TS</a>]

00:28:34   oh but also here are some reservations [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1714">TS</a>]

00:28:36   about the Empire Strikes Back I'm gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1716">TS</a>]

00:28:37   add no reservations there's no nothing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1717">TS</a>]

00:28:39   to say about it so I would say that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1719">TS</a>]

00:28:41   qualifies the only definitions are the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1721">TS</a>]

00:28:43   pedantic one and which nothing qualifies [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1723">TS</a>]

00:28:44   for anybody or the reasonable definition [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1724">TS</a>]

00:28:47   in which this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1727">TS</a>]

00:28:47   kinds of things that I really want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1727">TS</a>]

00:28:49   hear me things that really like listen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1729">TS</a>]

00:28:50   to being comfortable very very often on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1730">TS</a>]

00:28:52   that show are talking about things that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1732">TS</a>]

00:28:53   really like you know for the video game [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1733">TS</a>]

00:28:55   journey television shows movies books we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1735">TS</a>]

00:29:00   do we do talk about asterisks if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1740">TS</a>]

00:29:03   want to call it that but it doesn't mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1743">TS</a>]

00:29:04   we don't love them so I think this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1744">TS</a>]

00:29:05   question is not a good question it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1745">TS</a>]

00:29:08   more than faster more than a reservation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1748">TS</a>]

00:29:11   because the answer it got completing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1751">TS</a>]

00:29:16   about the question I remember that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1756">TS</a>]

00:29:17   true of anybody like is there anything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1757">TS</a>]

00:29:18   even ask you that you chose it is there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1758">TS</a>]

00:29:20   anything you two like uncritically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1760">TS</a>]

00:29:22   without caveat to reservation or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1762">TS</a>]

00:29:23   asterisks I think if you're honest with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1763">TS</a>]

00:29:25   yourselves you have to say that's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1765">TS</a>]

00:29:26   true for either of you either I mean I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1766">TS</a>]

00:29:28   think the checker muffin up a number of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1768">TS</a>]

00:29:29   good options your kids your wife your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1769">TS</a>]

00:29:32   dog long island journey [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1772">TS</a>]

00:29:34   those are BS questions so you have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1774">TS</a>]

00:29:35   reservations about your wife and your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1775">TS</a>]

00:29:37   kids don't say you do ice cream you if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1777">TS</a>]

00:29:40   you are if you think your spouse does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1780">TS</a>]

00:29:42   not have any asterisks you are either [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1782">TS</a>]

00:29:44   newly married or willfully naive because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1784">TS</a>]

00:29:48   everybody has asterisks everybody say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1788">TS</a>]

00:29:53   yeah but they're always asked sounds [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1793">TS</a>]

00:29:56   like the tiniest little thing and now I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1796">TS</a>]

00:29:58   was like could something be a little bit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1798">TS</a>]

00:30:01   different of course of course always I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1801">TS</a>]

00:30:03   don't even know where to go from here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1803">TS</a>]

00:30:05   like and especially kids like no my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1805">TS</a>]

00:30:07   child is perfect yes lots of parents [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1807">TS</a>]

00:30:09   think that hmm maybe a little bit less [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1809">TS</a>]

00:30:12   screaming like not you know like like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1812">TS</a>]

00:30:14   three seconds less screaming in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1814">TS</a>]

00:30:16   lifetime of screaming would you accept [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1816">TS</a>]

00:30:17   that yes maybe if that poo hadn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1817">TS</a>]

00:30:25   exploded out the side of the diaper that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1825">TS</a>]

00:30:26   one time when I had a new car would you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1826">TS</a>]

00:30:28   always an asterisk so now you don't love [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1828">TS</a>]

00:30:30   your children because you didn't want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1830">TS</a>]

00:30:31   the putu come out the side of the diaper [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1831">TS</a>]

00:30:32   and go all over your new car seats oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1832">TS</a>]

00:30:35   that's amazing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1835">TS</a>]

00:30:37   we gotta move on otherwise we're never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1837">TS</a>]

00:30:39   going to get rid get through this let's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1839">TS</a>]

00:30:41   see what was next I have so many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1841">TS</a>]

00:30:43   freaking tabs open I must be John [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1843">TS</a>]

00:30:44   siracusa Eduard level writes in what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1844">TS</a>]

00:30:48   podcast you currently listened to and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1848">TS</a>]

00:30:50   would recommend I listen to a ton of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1850">TS</a>]

00:30:52   podcast but there's a couple that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1852">TS</a>]

00:30:54   would recommend the aforementioned due [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1854">TS</a>]

00:30:56   by Friday is excellent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1856">TS</a>]

00:30:58   I will pitch one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1858">TS</a>]

00:31:01   my or a couple of my co-host shows I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1861">TS</a>]

00:31:04   think that reconcilable differences is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1864">TS</a>]

00:31:06   phenomenal and so is under the radar but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1866">TS</a>]

00:31:10   I will also pitch a couple others very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1870">TS</a>]

00:31:11   quickly if you wanted to hear a smart [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1871">TS</a>]

00:31:15   person talk about conservative politics [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1875">TS</a>]

00:31:19   which you may or may not want the pen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1879">TS</a>]

00:31:21   the ben shapiro show is very interesting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1881">TS</a>]

00:31:23   and very good i don't listen every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1883">TS</a>]

00:31:25   episode by any means it's like 45 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1885">TS</a>]

00:31:26   minutes and it's pretty much every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1886">TS</a>]

00:31:27   weekday but when i have time all and i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1887">TS</a>]

00:31:29   usually about once a week I'll catch it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1889">TS</a>]

00:31:31   and I typically deeply deeply disagree [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1891">TS</a>]

00:31:36   with the things he thinks but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1896">TS</a>]

00:31:37   nevertheless it is interesting I'll also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1897">TS</a>]

00:31:41   say that wheel bearings is neutral by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1901">TS</a>]

00:31:44   people who actually know what they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1904">TS</a>]

00:31:45   talking about we want to listen to that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1905">TS</a>]

00:31:47   yeah I know right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1907">TS</a>]

00:31:49   and then 20,000 Hertz is also very good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1909">TS</a>]

00:31:52   think 99% invisible but specifically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1912">TS</a>]

00:31:55   around sound so those are just some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1915">TS</a>]

00:31:56   selections from my extraordinarily long [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1916">TS</a>]

00:31:59   list of podcasts that I listened to John [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1919">TS</a>]

00:32:02   since I've been tagging Marco more first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1922">TS</a>]

00:32:04   more often let's let's go to you next [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1924">TS</a>]

00:32:06   I'm strong recommendation for Roderick [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1926">TS</a>]

00:32:09   on the line which I love flophouse [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1929">TS</a>]

00:32:12   obviously my my old probably oldest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1932">TS</a>]

00:32:15   recommendation that show is still going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1935">TS</a>]

00:32:18   obviously hello internet in cortex the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1938">TS</a>]

00:32:21   pair of shows both involving CGP grey [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1941">TS</a>]

00:32:25   those are great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1945">TS</a>]

00:32:26   Oh what else we got I'm scrum scrolling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1946">TS</a>]

00:32:29   through overcast to look at I have way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1949">TS</a>]

00:32:31   too many things and overcast was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1951">TS</a>]

00:32:32   scrolling through their debug which I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1952">TS</a>]

00:32:36   don't know if it's still ongoing but the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1956">TS</a>]

00:32:38   back catalog of debug is great tech show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1958">TS</a>]

00:32:40   where they talk to lots of important [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1960">TS</a>]

00:32:43   people in tech you should definitely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1963">TS</a>]

00:32:44   check that out and you know there's tons [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1964">TS</a>]

00:32:46   more but I think it's a good place to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1966">TS</a>]

00:32:47   get started Marco you guys have already [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1967">TS</a>]

00:32:50   mentioned pretty much everything I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1970">TS</a>]

00:32:52   going to say you know the usuals due by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1972">TS</a>]

00:32:54   Friday hello Internet cortex roderick on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1974">TS</a>]

00:32:58   the line as far as in the tech world [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1978">TS</a>]

00:33:01   again you've covered many good ones I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1981">TS</a>]

00:33:03   would also add upgrade unreal AFM with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1983">TS</a>]

00:33:06   Jason snow my curly that is probably my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1986">TS</a>]

00:33:09   favorite tech show it's it's just really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1989">TS</a>]

00:33:12   really great so yeah otherwise [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1992">TS</a>]

00:33:14   he does pretty much covered it yeah none [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1994">TS</a>]

00:33:16   in API you know and and what I love [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1996">TS</a>]

00:33:18   about I mean I could talk about podcast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/1998">TS</a>]

00:33:20   forever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2000">TS</a>]

00:33:20   so I'll try not to but what I love about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2000">TS</a>]

00:33:22   this is that none of us mentioned shows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2002">TS</a>]

00:33:25   that were like the biggest podcast in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2005">TS</a>]

00:33:27   the world Mendon MPI probably the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2007">TS</a>]

00:33:28   biggest one we mentioned but when people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2008">TS</a>]

00:33:31   think podcasting they so often will make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2011">TS</a>]

00:33:33   an assumption like everybody listen to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2013">TS</a>]

00:33:35   this American life where it's you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2015">TS</a>]

00:33:37   stuff like that but the fact is there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2017">TS</a>]

00:33:39   isn't any podcast out there that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2019">TS</a>]

00:33:40   everybody listens to and there and like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2020">TS</a>]

00:33:42   the the the world of mass market or very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2022">TS</a>]

00:33:45   very popular podcasts is still actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2025">TS</a>]

00:33:47   fairly diversified and there's a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2027">TS</a>]

00:33:49   people who listen to a lot of podcasts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2029">TS</a>]

00:33:52   who don't listen to any of those big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2032">TS</a>]

00:33:54   ones so this is it's part of what I love [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2034">TS</a>]

00:33:56   about podcasting is like it's so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2036">TS</a>]

00:33:58   incredibly diverse and specialized that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2038">TS</a>]

00:34:00   like I can look at so many podcasts and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2040">TS</a>]

00:34:02   there and there there are so many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2042">TS</a>]

00:34:04   amazing podcasts out there but I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2044">TS</a>]

00:34:07   need to spend any time listening to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2047">TS</a>]

00:34:08   things that aren't like really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2048">TS</a>]

00:34:10   interesting to me and that aren't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2050">TS</a>]

00:34:11   specialized to my interests because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2051">TS</a>]

00:34:14   there's so much that is and that's just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2054">TS</a>]

00:34:16   a part of what I love about podcasting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2056">TS</a>]

00:34:18   and and you know my over cast list is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2058">TS</a>]

00:34:21   huge I subscribed tons of things I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2061">TS</a>]

00:34:22   trying to give recommendations that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2062">TS</a>]

00:34:23   maybe people might not go for like up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2063">TS</a>]

00:34:25   you know I didn't recommend the talk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2065">TS</a>]

00:34:28   show cuz I assume you know that show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2068">TS</a>]

00:34:30   exists that it's good and you should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2070">TS</a>]

00:34:31   totally listen to it like it didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2071">TS</a>]

00:34:32   recommend this American life cuz I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2072">TS</a>]

00:34:34   you know that show exists and it's good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2074">TS</a>]

00:34:35   and you should listen to it right trying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2075">TS</a>]

00:34:37   to find these slightly more obscure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2077">TS</a>]

00:34:38   corners but that's the other thing I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2078">TS</a>]

00:34:40   like about podcasts I subscribe to way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2080">TS</a>]

00:34:42   more podcasts than I then I faithfully [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2082">TS</a>]

00:34:44   listen to like I'm not a podcast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2084">TS</a>]

00:34:46   completionists I have tons of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2086">TS</a>]

00:34:47   descriptions a few shows I keep up with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2087">TS</a>]

00:34:49   very religiously but a lot of shows I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2089">TS</a>]

00:34:51   let age and then go through five [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2091">TS</a>]

00:34:52   episodes at a time and a lot of shows I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2092">TS</a>]

00:34:53   just pick and choose from that's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2093">TS</a>]

00:34:56   best thing not only do you not have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2096">TS</a>]

00:34:57   like oh there's only five podcasts that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2097">TS</a>]

00:34:59   everyone listens to if you find a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2099">TS</a>]

00:35:01   podcast that you really like and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2101">TS</a>]

00:35:04   sometimes you find a podcast and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2104">TS</a>]

00:35:07   only have to listen to the episodes that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2107">TS</a>]

00:35:08   you really like like even like being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2108">TS</a>]

00:35:10   comparable like if they do an episode [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2110">TS</a>]

00:35:12   reviewing something you don't care about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2112">TS</a>]

00:35:13   skip that episode like they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2113">TS</a>]

00:35:14   standalone but they're you know they do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2114">TS</a>]

00:35:16   a thing about TV show that you didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2116">TS</a>]

00:35:17   watch you're not interested in fine like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2117">TS</a>]

00:35:19   just pick and choose that's the beauty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2119">TS</a>]

00:35:21   of podcasting visuals in every episode [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2121">TS</a>]

00:35:23   of our show obviously oh yeah of course [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2123">TS</a>]

00:35:25   I mean how could you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2125">TS</a>]

00:35:27   regular language writes in what do you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2127">TS</a>]

00:35:29   think about the current state of Swift I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2129">TS</a>]

00:35:31   would like to hear what John and Marco [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2131">TS</a>]

00:35:33   have to say about si I guess Casey a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2133">TS</a>]

00:35:37   rant about Swift opens oh I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2137">TS</a>]

00:35:39   there's new lines missing here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2139">TS</a>]

00:35:41   basically what do you guys think and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2141">TS</a>]

00:35:43   maybe me talk about Swift open source so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2143">TS</a>]

00:35:45   I will I guess round this out at the end [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2145">TS</a>]

00:35:47   so let's start with Marco and then go to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2147">TS</a>]

00:35:50   John honestly I don't pay that much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2150">TS</a>]

00:35:53   attention to what's going on in Swift I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2153">TS</a>]

00:35:55   know I'm supposed to I know I should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2155">TS</a>]

00:35:58   overcast contains some Swift code that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2158">TS</a>]

00:36:00   added you know to try cheaper stuff the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2160">TS</a>]

00:36:02   language and and stuff but I'm still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2162">TS</a>]

00:36:04   writing most couldn't you have to see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2164">TS</a>]

00:36:05   and it's it's not really out of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2165">TS</a>]

00:36:08   judgment of Swift so much as it's just a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2168">TS</a>]

00:36:11   pragmatism that I I still don't see a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2171">TS</a>]

00:36:14   lot of motivation for you to switch I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2174">TS</a>]

00:36:17   recognize that I should but I in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2177">TS</a>]

00:36:19   practice don't John I would never picked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2179">TS</a>]

00:36:24   it seems like it's chugging along I I do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2184">TS</a>]

00:36:27   keep up with the things that are going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2187">TS</a>]

00:36:29   on and it it's it still got you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2189">TS</a>]

00:36:31   challenges but it's making slow steady [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2191">TS</a>]

00:36:33   progress so I think Swift is moving in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2193">TS</a>]

00:36:35   the right direction at varying speeds [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2195">TS</a>]

00:36:37   and we have to say about si no no that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2197">TS</a>]

00:36:42   that's not see the language I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2202">TS</a>]

00:36:45   basically the question was what do you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2205">TS</a>]

00:36:47   guys have to say about Swift and what do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2207">TS</a>]

00:36:48   I have to say specifically about Swift [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2208">TS</a>]

00:36:50   open-source so yeah I think your summary [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2210">TS</a>]

00:36:53   of Swift is good and in brief and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2213">TS</a>]

00:36:55   stick by our stand by it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2215">TS</a>]

00:36:56   Swift open source is a double-edged [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2216">TS</a>]

00:36:58   sword I think I think that the problem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2218">TS</a>]

00:37:01   that I have aspect of Swift open source [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2221">TS</a>]

00:37:03   is that it seems like a lot of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2223">TS</a>]

00:37:06   really really really academic like I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2226">TS</a>]

00:37:10   trying to think of a way to say this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2230">TS</a>]

00:37:11   without being pejorative but people who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2231">TS</a>]

00:37:14   are much more interested in the academic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2234">TS</a>]

00:37:15   side of programming languages seem to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2235">TS</a>]

00:37:18   the ones that are most vocal and most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2238">TS</a>]

00:37:19   interested to participate on like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2239">TS</a>]

00:37:21   mailing lists and things of that nature [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2241">TS</a>]

00:37:22   where someone like myself which is not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2242">TS</a>]

00:37:24   to say I'm like at the same caliber as a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2244">TS</a>]

00:37:26   super academic but someone like myself [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2246">TS</a>]

00:37:28   who I like to think of as a reasonably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2248">TS</a>]

00:37:31   smart guy but I don't really have any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2251">TS</a>]

00:37:34   interest in like following the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2254">TS</a>]

00:37:35   intricacies of what's going on in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2255">TS</a>]

00:37:37   mailing list I don't really have any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2257">TS</a>]

00:37:39   interest in argue [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2259">TS</a>]

00:37:40   about you know different pitches that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2260">TS</a>]

00:37:43   have been made via the mailing list I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2263">TS</a>]

00:37:44   just want to get crap done man and to me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2264">TS</a>]

00:37:47   I feel like swift open source it feels [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2267">TS</a>]

00:37:51   like from an outsider's point of view [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2271">TS</a>]

00:37:54   that maybe it could use a little more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2274">TS</a>]

00:37:57   Stern direction from Apple to prevent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2277">TS</a>]

00:38:00   the kind of meandering and the kind of I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2280">TS</a>]

00:38:02   don't know language features that I find [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2282">TS</a>]

00:38:05   to be really really silly and not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2285">TS</a>]

00:38:07   terribly helpful for actually just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2287">TS</a>]

00:38:09   shipping products and that's where I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2289">TS</a>]

00:38:11   kind of get a little frustrated but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2291">TS</a>]

00:38:14   that's easy it's easy for me to throw [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2294">TS</a>]

00:38:15   stones from outside the glass house [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2295">TS</a>]

00:38:17   right and and really if I wanted to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2297">TS</a>]

00:38:19   effect change what I should be doing is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2299">TS</a>]

00:38:21   participating on the door mailing list [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2301">TS</a>]

00:38:23   that I'm lamenting I'm not sure you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2303">TS</a>]

00:38:25   should be doing that because I'm going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2305">TS</a>]

00:38:26   to put this out there language design is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2306">TS</a>]

00:38:28   a different skill than being a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2308">TS</a>]

00:38:31   programmer and using that language is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2311">TS</a>]

00:38:33   entirely appropriate that the lists [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2313">TS</a>]

00:38:36   where people are designing the languages [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2316">TS</a>]

00:38:37   looks weird to someone who's like I just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2317">TS</a>]

00:38:39   want to write my programs like you make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2319">TS</a>]

00:38:41   the language and give it to me like they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2321">TS</a>]

00:38:43   don't need to cross that word I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2323">TS</a>]

00:38:45   swift evolution I've seen a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2325">TS</a>]

00:38:47   languages I'm mailing lists and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2327">TS</a>]

00:38:49   evolution is above average believe it or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2329">TS</a>]

00:38:52   not and maybe if you look in the outside [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2332">TS</a>]

00:38:54   this is the first time you follow the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2334">TS</a>]

00:38:55   development of any language you can look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2335">TS</a>]

00:38:57   like dominated by academics and weird [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2337">TS</a>]

00:38:59   and chaotic and a lot of bike shedding [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2339">TS</a>]

00:39:01   but in the grand scheme of things there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2341">TS</a>]

00:39:03   they are above average and you know just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2343">TS</a>]

00:39:05   coming so early to say look we're gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2345">TS</a>]

00:39:07   have releases we're gonna exclude things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2347">TS</a>]

00:39:08   from them and then you know like there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2348">TS</a>]

00:39:11   gonna be people discussing things enlist [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2351">TS</a>]

00:39:12   even though they say they're excluded [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2352">TS</a>]

00:39:13   from Swift serious but for like but in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2353">TS</a>]

00:39:15   general I think they're pretty well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2355">TS</a>]

00:39:17   behaved and I do want essentially [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2357">TS</a>]

00:39:19   language nerds or people like people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2359">TS</a>]

00:39:21   with the skill the language designs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2361">TS</a>]

00:39:22   skill and you know RPG parlance or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2362">TS</a>]

00:39:24   whatever to be designing the language [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2364">TS</a>]

00:39:26   rather than having a bunch of people who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2366">TS</a>]

00:39:28   just wanted to use the language throwing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2368">TS</a>]

00:39:31   out the first idea that pops into their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2371">TS</a>]

00:39:32   head that I think might make their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2372">TS</a>]

00:39:33   they're like beginning language [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2373">TS</a>]

00:39:36   designers like I've been programming for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2376">TS</a>]

00:39:37   20 years and I think a language would be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2377">TS</a>]

00:39:39   cool how many languages have you design [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2379">TS</a>]

00:39:41   have you tried doing that what does it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2381">TS</a>]

00:39:42   actually turn out to be so I like I like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2382">TS</a>]

00:39:45   language design as a separate skill [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2385">TS</a>]

00:39:47   being developed among people who just do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2387">TS</a>]

00:39:49   that and seeing them do their thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2389">TS</a>]

00:39:51   definitely does look weird [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2391">TS</a>]

00:39:53   I endure I also and part of why I have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2393">TS</a>]

00:39:57   not adopted Swift more is that the idea [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2397">TS</a>]

00:40:01   of of investing my time into a language [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2401">TS</a>]

00:40:03   that is still very much a beta is a huge [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2403">TS</a>]

00:40:06   turnoff for me like I I do not I have no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2406">TS</a>]

00:40:09   interest in participating in the design [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2409">TS</a>]

00:40:12   of this language I have no interest in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2412">TS</a>]

00:40:13   beta testing this language for anybody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2413">TS</a>]

00:40:15   in the same way like I don't want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2415">TS</a>]

00:40:17   beta test brakes on my car you know like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2417">TS</a>]

00:40:19   I want to get the final brakes thank you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2419">TS</a>]

00:40:21   and I want them to work and I don't have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2421">TS</a>]

00:40:22   to I don't want to ever have to think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2422">TS</a>]

00:40:23   about them or I never wanted to flick [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2423">TS</a>]

00:40:25   out or fail or cause me undo undo work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2425">TS</a>]

00:40:27   it sound like a test loan or you don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2427">TS</a>]

00:40:28   want a bid that's the brakes that set a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2428">TS</a>]

00:40:30   new firmware for your brakes last night [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2430">TS</a>]

00:40:32   while you were asleep like for me like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2432">TS</a>]

00:40:35   like especially like every summer when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2435">TS</a>]

00:40:37   during beta season when like all the new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2437">TS</a>]

00:40:39   stuff comes out and I see all the iOS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2439">TS</a>]

00:40:41   developers I know complaining about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2441">TS</a>]

00:40:42   something that Swift broke I am very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2442">TS</a>]

00:40:45   happy to not be very reliant on it right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2445">TS</a>]

00:40:47   now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2447">TS</a>]

00:40:48   and you know because the fact is like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2448">TS</a>]

00:40:50   I'm in a different developer I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2450">TS</a>]

00:40:52   have a lot of time I like and and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2452">TS</a>]

00:40:54   time I have to spend coding I have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2454">TS</a>]

00:40:57   spend it very wisely and the most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2457">TS</a>]

00:41:00   frustrating thing for me I which is true [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2460">TS</a>]

00:41:02   of many people is fighting with my tools [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2462">TS</a>]

00:41:04   and so any language or part of my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2464">TS</a>]

00:41:08   developer tool chain I'm going to try to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2468">TS</a>]

00:41:10   minimize reasons that I would have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2470">TS</a>]

00:41:13   fight with it or the amount of work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2473">TS</a>]

00:41:15   that's going to require from me to use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2475">TS</a>]

00:41:17   and Swift while it does look like a you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2477">TS</a>]

00:41:20   know a fairly I'm sure it will be good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2480">TS</a>]

00:41:23   once it's done for me right now the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2483">TS</a>]

00:41:27   reality of using Swift is still a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2487">TS</a>]

00:41:30   overhead and a lot of dealing with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2490">TS</a>]

00:41:32   changes as they come and dealing with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2492">TS</a>]

00:41:34   weird things breaking sometimes and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2494">TS</a>]

00:41:36   just want to wait till it's all settled [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2496">TS</a>]

00:41:38   before I invest heavily into it because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2498">TS</a>]

00:41:40   I have zero interest in being an early [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2500">TS</a>]

00:41:42   adopter for things like this all I want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2502">TS</a>]

00:41:44   is for it to work so I can spend my time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2504">TS</a>]

00:41:46   in other ways you know I will say that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2506">TS</a>]

00:41:49   there are certainly annoyances and and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2509">TS</a>]

00:41:52   can't legitimately argue with anything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2512">TS</a>]

00:41:54   that you've said but it feels like it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2514">TS</a>]

00:41:56   gotten a lot better over the last you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2516">TS</a>]

00:41:58   know six to 12 months say oh yeah and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2518">TS</a>]

00:42:01   and and the dabbling of done on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2521">TS</a>]

00:42:04   Xcode 9 beta by and large [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2524">TS</a>]

00:42:07   it's like it's a beta of course but by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2527">TS</a>]

00:42:09   and large it looks really solid and so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2529">TS</a>]

00:42:11   think and of course you would say this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2531">TS</a>]

00:42:13   every year right now is the time to dive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2533">TS</a>]

00:42:15   in Marco it's all better than it ever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2535">TS</a>]

00:42:17   was and you know it's the Year Linux on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2537">TS</a>]

00:42:19   the desktop right it'll always be better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2539">TS</a>]

00:42:21   the next year but it is not nearly as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2541">TS</a>]

00:42:24   scary now as it once was but there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2544">TS</a>]

00:42:26   still dragons back there from time to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2546">TS</a>]

00:42:27   time and I would also love to use Swift [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2547">TS</a>]

00:42:30   on the server like that's that's one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2550">TS</a>]

00:42:32   thing that has me very interested in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2552">TS</a>]

00:42:34   learning it because like the idea of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2554">TS</a>]

00:42:35   learning one language that I can use in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2555">TS</a>]

00:42:38   both places is incredibly attractive to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2558">TS</a>]

00:42:39   me like that because that would be a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2559">TS</a>]

00:42:41   great use of you know if I'm gonna learn [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2561">TS</a>]

00:42:44   more languages and master more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2564">TS</a>]

00:42:45   frameworks being able to use the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2565">TS</a>]

00:42:48   one in both places basically makes it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2568">TS</a>]

00:42:50   twice as valuable to me so I would love [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2570">TS</a>]

00:42:51   that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2571">TS</a>]

00:42:52   but it's all just so early and it to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2572">TS</a>]

00:42:55   have basics like concurrency not worked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2575">TS</a>]

00:42:58   out yet is like I just I need well yes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2578">TS</a>]

00:43:02   and go right like it's just as worked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2582">TS</a>]

00:43:03   out as the distant objective-c because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2583">TS</a>]

00:43:05   you still have GCD and whatnot it's just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2585">TS</a>]

00:43:07   that well I'm what I'm saying server I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2587">TS</a>]

00:43:08   mean Linux though well ok fair but it my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2588">TS</a>]

00:43:12   point is just that like concurrency I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2592">TS</a>]

00:43:14   agree with you should be worked out any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2594">TS</a>]

00:43:16   much better way but it's not like we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2596">TS</a>]

00:43:18   handcuffed now it's just that it's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2598">TS</a>]

00:43:21   existing GCD API [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2601">TS</a>]

00:43:22   well again maybe not on the server but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2602">TS</a>]

00:43:24   at least on on the client it's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2604">TS</a>]

00:43:26   existing GCD API and it actually is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2606">TS</a>]

00:43:29   lot nicer in a lot of ways but but there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2609">TS</a>]

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00:43:33   everyone is calling for C sharps [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2613">TS</a>]

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00:45:03   regular ways but Siqueiros has it all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2703">TS</a>]

00:45:05   built in it can do so much so check it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2705">TS</a>]

00:45:07   out today go to Squarespace com whether [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2707">TS</a>]

00:45:09   it's a site for you or a site that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2709">TS</a>]

00:45:11   someone's asking you to make for them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2711">TS</a>]

00:45:12   get yourself out of the website hosting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2712">TS</a>]

00:45:15   business and let Squarespace do it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2715">TS</a>]

00:45:17   because it's easier the result is better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2717">TS</a>]

00:45:19   and then you don't have to do it and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2719">TS</a>]

00:45:21   are free check it out today at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2721">TS</a>]

00:45:23   squarespace.com make sure you use offer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2723">TS</a>]

00:45:25   code ATP to get 10% off your first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2725">TS</a>]

00:45:27   purchase [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2727">TS</a>]

00:45:28   Squarespace make your next move David [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2728">TS</a>]

00:45:34   Klein writes about two years ago you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2734">TS</a>]

00:45:35   discuss women in tech and podcasting and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2735">TS</a>]

00:45:38   even exchange hosts how do you feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2738">TS</a>]

00:45:40   today regarding women in tech this is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2740">TS</a>]

00:45:43   very good question which stresses me out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2743">TS</a>]

00:45:45   because I feel like I'm gonna step on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2745">TS</a>]

00:45:48   some landmine here but that being said I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2748">TS</a>]

00:45:52   feel like we have made sweet not the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2752">TS</a>]

00:45:56   three of us like we as a as a community [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2756">TS</a>]

00:45:58   have made a fair bit of positive strides [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2758">TS</a>]

00:46:02   but still have a almost equal amount of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2762">TS</a>]

00:46:06   improvement left to make and I feel like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2766">TS</a>]

00:46:10   people are paying a lot more attention [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2770">TS</a>]

00:46:11   to the fact that there's so much sexism [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2771">TS</a>]

00:46:14   in tech and it's such a crummy place to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2774">TS</a>]

00:46:17   be a woman and I think the easiest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2777">TS</a>]

00:46:19   example of this is people like regular [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2779">TS</a>]

00:46:22   people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2782">TS</a>]

00:46:22   knowing what a cesspool uber is slash [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2782">TS</a>]

00:46:25   was and regular people deciding to use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2785">TS</a>]

00:46:29   lyft instead of uber which quick aside I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2789">TS</a>]

00:46:32   used lyft [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2792">TS</a>]

00:46:34   in Chicago when Aaron and I were on our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2794">TS</a>]

00:46:36   10-year wedding anniversary and it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2796">TS</a>]

00:46:38   great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2798">TS</a>]

00:46:39   worked great no different than uber and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2799">TS</a>]

00:46:42   so I highly recommend it but anyway so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2802">TS</a>]

00:46:44   we still have a ton of room like it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2804">TS</a>]

00:46:47   one of those things where we have taken [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2807">TS</a>]

00:46:48   like the tiniest littlest step forward [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2808">TS</a>]

00:46:50   but there's still like 85,000 miles in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2810">TS</a>]

00:46:52   front of us so it's almost imperceptible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2812">TS</a>]

00:46:54   Marco I I basically agree I mean I I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2814">TS</a>]

00:46:59   unfortunately am NOT an expert in this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2819">TS</a>]

00:47:01   topic you know a few few men and tech [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2821">TS</a>]

00:47:04   are you know there's that's not a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2824">TS</a>]

00:47:05   coincidence [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2825">TS</a>]

00:47:06   um it's it's a huge problem and we still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2826">TS</a>]

00:47:11   have so so long to go but we are talking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2831">TS</a>]

00:47:15   about it now way more than it used to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2835">TS</a>]

00:47:19   talked about so even though I I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2839">TS</a>]

00:47:22   have the knowledge to know whether it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2842">TS</a>]

00:47:24   actually making progress really I have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2844">TS</a>]

00:47:27   no idea [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2847">TS</a>]

00:47:28   I would guess - making slow progress but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2848">TS</a>]

00:47:31   we are talking about it and a lot more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2851">TS</a>]

00:47:33   people ourselves included are much more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2853">TS</a>]

00:47:37   conscientious of this being an issue [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2857">TS</a>]

00:47:39   than we used to be and that has to help [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2859">TS</a>]

00:47:43   - and there's obviously a lot more that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2863">TS</a>]

00:47:46   we can all do and that we need to do all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2866">TS</a>]

00:47:48   do but I do think that awareness is way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2868">TS</a>]

00:47:53   better than it was and that will slowly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2873">TS</a>]

00:47:56   start helping this problem yeah that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2876">TS</a>]

00:47:59   like the first stage of all these things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2879">TS</a>]

00:48:01   is the very long process of getting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2881">TS</a>]

00:48:04   people to be aware that this is an issue [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2884">TS</a>]

00:48:05   at all what's the issue what is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2885">TS</a>]

00:48:07   problem is this the thing that exists [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2887">TS</a>]

00:48:09   and that takes a really long time it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2889">TS</a>]

00:48:11   kind of depressing to me because my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2891">TS</a>]

00:48:13   childhood like I felt like the whole the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2893">TS</a>]

00:48:15   one of the previous names of a larger [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2895">TS</a>]

00:48:18   version this that the women's lib [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2898">TS</a>]

00:48:19   movement back in the 60s and 70s and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2899">TS</a>]

00:48:22   even to the 80s was also in that stage [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2902">TS</a>]

00:48:25   of like hey raise awareness like women's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2905">TS</a>]

00:48:27   liberation what do women do need to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2907">TS</a>]

00:48:29   liberated from what do you mean right I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2909">TS</a>]

00:48:31   felt like we went through that and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2911">TS</a>]

00:48:35   then like that knowledge was lost [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2915">TS</a>]

00:48:37   somehow and now here we are back in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2917">TS</a>]

00:48:39   tech sector which is a microcosm of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2919">TS</a>]

00:48:41   larger world is like do we have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2921">TS</a>]

00:48:43   relearn that sexism exists apparently [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2923">TS</a>]

00:48:45   the answer is yes and we're learning it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2925">TS</a>]

00:48:47   better and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2927">TS</a>]

00:48:48   more thoroughly and with I think a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2928">TS</a>]

00:48:50   clearer I'd picture and not accepting as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2930">TS</a>]

00:48:54   many limitations as the previous you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2934">TS</a>]

00:48:56   know feminist movements and women's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2936">TS</a>]

00:48:57   liberation and all the other stuff but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2937">TS</a>]

00:48:59   still very strongly feel that we are in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2939">TS</a>]

00:49:02   the awareness phase for everybody I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2942">TS</a>]

00:49:04   you know for me as well like and I do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2944">TS</a>]

00:49:08   see some concrete signs of progress I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2948">TS</a>]

00:49:10   find myself seeing I mean from my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2950">TS</a>]

00:49:13   perspective a lot of what I see is like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2953">TS</a>]

00:49:14   who's speaking at this tech conference I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2954">TS</a>]

00:49:17   see and watch and hear about and get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2957">TS</a>]

00:49:20   forwarded to me more really good talks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2960">TS</a>]

00:49:23   by women at tech conferences as the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2963">TS</a>]

00:49:25   circles I travel in and my twitter or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2965">TS</a>]

00:49:26   whatever then I did several years ago [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2966">TS</a>]

00:49:28   and I feel like that is progress [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2968">TS</a>]

00:49:31   probably just progress in my awareness [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2971">TS</a>]

00:49:32   that that is a thing and also progress [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2972">TS</a>]

00:49:34   in the people I follow forwarding me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2974">TS</a>]

00:49:37   those things and you know I get says [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2977">TS</a>]

00:49:40   like the fact that there can even be a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2980">TS</a>]

00:49:42   story that has any real-world [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2982">TS</a>]

00:49:44   consequences to a company about hey this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2984">TS</a>]

00:49:46   company is run by a bunch of sexist [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2986">TS</a>]

00:49:47   jerks and that actually like is a I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2987">TS</a>]

00:49:49   think we hear about and be something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2989">TS</a>]

00:49:51   anything literally anything happens [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2991">TS</a>]

00:49:53   about it maybe not the right thing maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2993">TS</a>]

00:49:55   not the best things but something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2995">TS</a>]

00:49:56   happens like if one extra person deletes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2996">TS</a>]

00:49:58   their app like that is a tiny bit of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/2998">TS</a>]

00:50:01   progress but yeah that's that's pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3001">TS</a>]

00:50:04   much how I feel how it's going and about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3004">TS</a>]

00:50:06   us specifically on the show like we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3006">TS</a>]

00:50:09   still we still talk about it we still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3009">TS</a>]

00:50:11   discuss it we still try to do what we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3011">TS</a>]

00:50:13   can in the ways that we can you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3013">TS</a>]

00:50:15   it's it's a continuing struggle yep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3015">TS</a>]

00:50:18   robin christopherson writes in which if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3018">TS</a>]

00:50:21   any of the many rumored changes to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3021">TS</a>]

00:50:23   new iphone would actually make you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3023">TS</a>]

00:50:24   decide not to upgrade if it comes to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3024">TS</a>]

00:50:27   pass [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3027">TS</a>]

00:50:28   i'm gonna go on a very small rant about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3028">TS</a>]

00:50:31   this i don't understand people who say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3031">TS</a>]

00:50:34   and i can't think of a specific specific [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3034">TS</a>]

00:50:36   example of oh actually the touch bar is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3036">TS</a>]

00:50:38   a great example i will never like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3038">TS</a>]

00:50:41   touch bar and I will never buy a Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3041">TS</a>]

00:50:42   that has a touch bar that to me just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3042">TS</a>]

00:50:45   doesn't make sense because it stands to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3045">TS</a>]

00:50:48   reason that at least for portable Mac's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3048">TS</a>]

00:50:50   the touch bar is going to be the future [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3050">TS</a>]

00:50:52   probably across the line it may not be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3052">TS</a>]

00:50:53   for five years or something like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3053">TS</a>]

00:50:55   but it will probably be the future and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3055">TS</a>]

00:50:56   even if the touch bar if you think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3056">TS</a>]

00:50:58   that's a crummy example it doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3058">TS</a>]

00:50:59   matter my point is like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3059">TS</a>]

00:51:01   just get on the bus the bus is pulling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3061">TS</a>]

00:51:04   away get on the bus and you may not love [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3064">TS</a>]

00:51:07   it but get on the bus because what's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3067">TS</a>]

00:51:08   alternative go to Windows ha have fun [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3068">TS</a>]

00:51:10   and and so to me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3070">TS</a>]

00:51:13   there may be something that I don't like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3073">TS</a>]

00:51:15   about the new iPhones so for the sake of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3075">TS</a>]

00:51:17   example I'm skeptical that I would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3077">TS</a>]

00:51:19   terribly enjoy the face on lock and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3079">TS</a>]

00:51:22   would you know and I suspect I wouldn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3082">TS</a>]

00:51:23   miss touch ID but I mean I will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3083">TS</a>]

00:51:26   certainly give it a shot and I will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3086">TS</a>]

00:51:29   certainly give it a shot and if it ends [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3089">TS</a>]

00:51:31   up that I like touch ID better well then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3091">TS</a>]

00:51:33   that's a stinky part of the new iPhone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3093">TS</a>]

00:51:35   but everything else will be amazing so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3095">TS</a>]

00:51:37   it'll all even itself out so I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3097">TS</a>]

00:51:40   really understand the question but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3100">TS</a>]

00:51:42   don't really understand this question do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3102">TS</a>]

00:51:44   you think the narrower view they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3104">TS</a>]

00:51:45   asking would make you not want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3105">TS</a>]

00:51:47   upgrade and when I saw this question I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3107">TS</a>]

00:51:48   thought about like touch ID on the back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3108">TS</a>]

00:51:51   if they couldn't if they can't get the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3111">TS</a>]

00:51:53   touch ADEA under the screen for this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3113">TS</a>]

00:51:55   generation but we know for a fact those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3115">TS</a>]

00:51:58   other phones do this that fingerprint [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3118">TS</a>]

00:52:00   sensing under screen is a technology [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3120">TS</a>]

00:52:01   that exists it just you know wasn't up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3121">TS</a>]

00:52:04   to Apple's caliber yet for whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3124">TS</a>]

00:52:05   reason I might say if I was if it was my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3125">TS</a>]

00:52:07   upgrade year which isn't by the way I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3127">TS</a>]

00:52:09   might say oh I'm not gonna upgrade to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3129">TS</a>]

00:52:12   see this phone I'll wait till next year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3132">TS</a>]

00:52:14   when hopefully they'll have that sorted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3134">TS</a>]

00:52:16   out or we even wait to the next [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3136">TS</a>]

00:52:17   generation please you know I have no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3137">TS</a>]

00:52:18   problem waiting oh it's not like Casey [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3138">TS</a>]

00:52:20   was saying like oh I'm never gonna buy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3140">TS</a>]

00:52:21   with touch bar like obviously eventually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3141">TS</a>]

00:52:23   you're gonna have to get a new phone and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3143">TS</a>]

00:52:25   eventually I would choose to get an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3145">TS</a>]

00:52:26   iPhone but specifically like oh if they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3146">TS</a>]

00:52:28   make a new form factor and it's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3148">TS</a>]

00:52:30   first male year and they had to make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3150">TS</a>]

00:52:31   weird compromises and such ideas in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3151">TS</a>]

00:52:33   back even if it's just as simple as like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3153">TS</a>]

00:52:34   they put touch ID in the back but I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3154">TS</a>]

00:52:36   never used touch ID in the back I'm not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3156">TS</a>]

00:52:37   sure I like it I rather let a bunch of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3157">TS</a>]

00:52:39   my friends who I know really well buy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3159">TS</a>]

00:52:41   this phone and tell me about it so the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3161">TS</a>]

00:52:43   next year I'll know whether I think I'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3163">TS</a>]

00:52:45   like it or like just play with them to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3165">TS</a>]

00:52:46   store whatever so yes there are lots of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3166">TS</a>]

00:52:47   weird things involving the phone that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3167">TS</a>]

00:52:49   would make me decide not to upgrade but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3169">TS</a>]

00:52:52   I don't think there's many things that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3172">TS</a>]

00:52:54   would make me decide I'm never going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3174">TS</a>]

00:52:55   buy an iPhone again and that's that's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3175">TS</a>]

00:52:57   different question [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3177">TS</a>]

00:52:58   yeah I mean I I think pretty similarly I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3178">TS</a>]

00:53:02   mean look we all know I'm gonna buy it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3182">TS</a>]

00:53:03   regardless so why why even bother I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3183">TS</a>]

00:53:07   you know III think the answer is you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3187">TS</a>]

00:53:10   know I'm gonna do what I always do which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3190">TS</a>]

00:53:12   is I'm going to buy the new thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3192">TS</a>]

00:53:15   immediately and then I complained or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3195">TS</a>]

00:53:17   anything that's worse about it fair [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3197">TS</a>]

00:53:19   enough that's typically how these things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3199">TS</a>]

00:53:21   tend to go I did not want to answer this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3201">TS</a>]

00:53:26   question because this is another example [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3206">TS</a>]

00:53:28   of where I don't care [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3208">TS</a>]

00:53:31   but somebody and I think that person's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3211">TS</a>]

00:53:33   name might be John siracusa has decided [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3213">TS</a>]

00:53:35   we should answer this question so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3215">TS</a>]

00:53:36   stephen sand off writes tabs or spaces I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3216">TS</a>]

00:53:39   honestly don't even have the faintest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3219">TS</a>]

00:53:41   idea what my editors set to it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3221">TS</a>]

00:53:43   whatever the default for X code is don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3223">TS</a>]

00:53:45   care your monster don't even know I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3225">TS</a>]

00:53:49   don't even know just pick one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3229">TS</a>]

00:53:51   actually I can say the same thing so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3231">TS</a>]

00:53:54   know what it is in text made but for my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3234">TS</a>]

00:53:56   iOS code or next code I actually have no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3236">TS</a>]

00:53:58   idea which one it is but I will say in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3238">TS</a>]

00:54:01   text made it's spaces but I this is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3241">TS</a>]

00:54:03   kind of like I'd feel about this a few [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3243">TS</a>]

00:54:05   weeks ago like it doesn't really matter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3245">TS</a>]

00:54:07   because good tools let you switch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3247">TS</a>]

00:54:10   between one or the other with like one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3250">TS</a>]

00:54:11   command so it's it's it really doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3251">TS</a>]

00:54:14   matter at all no no no that's something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3254">TS</a>]

00:54:17   a tab user would say it totally matter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3257">TS</a>]

00:54:19   so let me tell you why so first of all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3259">TS</a>]

00:54:21   I'm my ants aren't abs versus spaces is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3261">TS</a>]

00:54:24   spaces and the reason I say space is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3264">TS</a>]

00:54:26   because spaces are the same size [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3266">TS</a>]

00:54:27   visually everywhere but the whole point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3267">TS</a>]

00:54:31   in tabs I thought is that you I can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3271">TS</a>]

00:54:34   choose to have my tabs be a thousand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3274">TS</a>]

00:54:36   right okay yep so now tabs now it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3276">TS</a>]

00:54:38   okay well tabs are semantic in don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3278">TS</a>]

00:54:42   tell me how big has to be the problem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3282">TS</a>]

00:54:44   with that is that I think good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3284">TS</a>]

00:54:48   formatting in most not maybe some less [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3288">TS</a>]

00:54:53   in some programming languages good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3293">TS</a>]

00:54:55   formatting needs to be done has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3295">TS</a>]

00:54:58   instances in which you want to indent by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3298">TS</a>]

00:55:02   less than one indentation level to align [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3302">TS</a>]

00:55:06   things right and if you use spaces [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3306">TS</a>]

00:55:09   everywhere there is no ambiguity and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3309">TS</a>]

00:55:13   can make it look like how you want it to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3313">TS</a>]

00:55:15   look like if you use tabs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3315">TS</a>]

00:55:17   some Joker is gonna set their tab to two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3317">TS</a>]

00:55:19   and someone else is gonna have it set to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3319">TS</a>]

00:55:21   four and someone's gonna have it set to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3321">TS</a>]

00:55:23   eight and the part and the line where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3323">TS</a>]

00:55:25   you use tabs but then use space to align [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3325">TS</a>]

00:55:27   a bunch of things is gonna look crazy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3327">TS</a>]

00:55:28   pants [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3328">TS</a>]

00:55:29   spaces is the correct answer but I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3329">TS</a>]

00:55:30   forced to use tabs at work and have for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3330">TS</a>]

00:55:32   many years and so if you're working [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3332">TS</a>]

00:55:34   programmer you got to do what you got to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3334">TS</a>]

00:55:36   do with the actual entrance spaces and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3336">TS</a>]

00:55:37   and Chris lat agrees with me so there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3337">TS</a>]

00:55:39   you go and that's all that really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3339">TS</a>]

00:55:42   matters I bet that's gonna meet what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3342">TS</a>]

00:55:43   eventually drives you to quit your job [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3343">TS</a>]

00:55:44   like eventually one day yours you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3344">TS</a>]

00:55:47   gonna hit that tab key for the last time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3347">TS</a>]

00:55:49   and you're like that's it I'm done no I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3349">TS</a>]

00:55:51   mean you still hate you still hit the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3351">TS</a>]

00:55:52   tab key even wanted to space this but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3352">TS</a>]

00:55:54   like I you I work changed both my brace [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3354">TS</a>]

00:55:57   style and the indenting character but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3357">TS</a>]

00:55:59   this is what it means to be a working [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3359">TS</a>]

00:56:00   programmer it's too far wait what what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3360">TS</a>]

00:56:02   is your preferred brace style [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3362">TS</a>]

00:56:04   many years ago I used bsd-style opening [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3364">TS</a>]

00:56:07   and closing on the same column mm-hmm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3367">TS</a>]

00:56:10   for basically of my entire career up to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3370">TS</a>]

00:56:12   like maybe 10 years ago and then I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3372">TS</a>]

00:56:13   switched to forcibly switch to KN are no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3373">TS</a>]

00:56:17   coddled else's come on people I'm a K&R [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3377">TS</a>]

00:56:20   person myself you know I used to hide [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3380">TS</a>]

00:56:22   first why I had no idea those were the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3382">TS</a>]

00:56:24   two like I I did know the names for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3384">TS</a>]

00:56:26   those two styles but I used to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3386">TS</a>]

00:56:28   violently devoutly in favor of what did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3388">TS</a>]

00:56:32   you say BSD where all of the openings in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3392">TS</a>]

00:56:34   Iran might be almond it's the one where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3394">TS</a>]

00:56:36   the the opening curly is underneath the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3396">TS</a>]

00:56:38   eye and if right right right that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3398">TS</a>]

00:56:40   that's the way I used to be just and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3400">TS</a>]

00:56:43   was passionately about Italy almost as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3403">TS</a>]

00:56:45   bad as I am about people who say jiff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3405">TS</a>]

00:56:47   like I passionately believed that that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3407">TS</a>]

00:56:50   you have to put it under eye and those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3410">TS</a>]

00:56:52   monsters that sage if that also put the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3412">TS</a>]

00:56:55   the opening brace at the end of the line [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3415">TS</a>]

00:56:57   or just without help and overtime [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3417">TS</a>]

00:57:00   similar story I think because I started [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3420">TS</a>]

00:57:02   writing a fair bit of JavaScript I ended [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3422">TS</a>]

00:57:04   up kind of switching to the other style [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3424">TS</a>]

00:57:07   where you have you know if something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3427">TS</a>]

00:57:10   opened open brace new line like it's an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3430">TS</a>]

00:57:13   important part in every programmer who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3433">TS</a>]

00:57:15   doesn't work for themselves in a single [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3435">TS</a>]

00:57:16   person shop and they're in their careers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3436">TS</a>]

00:57:18   is becoming not just multi-language [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3438">TS</a>]

00:57:21   fluent but becoming able to and you've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3441">TS</a>]

00:57:23   rework on open source projects your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3443">TS</a>]

00:57:24   forces this to becoming able to write [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3444">TS</a>]

00:57:26   code and the style demanded by the thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3446">TS</a>]

00:57:28   that you're doing whether it's a job or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3448">TS</a>]

00:57:29   an open source project or whatever you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3449">TS</a>]

00:57:31   can't I mean you can be Precious about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3451">TS</a>]

00:57:32   it and have a preferred thing but you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3452">TS</a>]

00:57:34   have to be able to get the job done in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3454">TS</a>]

00:57:36   whatever language are formatting that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3456">TS</a>]

00:57:39   dictated by the mob you just have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3459">TS</a>]

00:57:40   it's just practically and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3460">TS</a>]

00:57:42   you know in the end like I was also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3462">TS</a>]

00:57:44   pretty strongly about opening curly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3464">TS</a>]

00:57:45   under the little eye and I still think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3465">TS</a>]

00:57:47   it's the style that makes more sense but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3467">TS</a>]

00:57:49   you know you get over it a few years of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3469">TS</a>]

00:57:53   using kar and you're like okay like it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3473">TS</a>]

00:57:55   fine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3475">TS</a>]

00:57:55   and it's actually difficult if you get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3475">TS</a>]

00:57:58   into a groove to switch back and forth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3478">TS</a>]

00:58:00   like if the mode switch between them you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3480">TS</a>]

00:58:02   just your fingers will you'll find them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3482">TS</a>]

00:58:03   doing the things they do and you have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3483">TS</a>]

00:58:05   switch back but like that's life that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3485">TS</a>]

00:58:07   programming for you I'm actually the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3487">TS</a>]

00:58:08   reason why I use knr style is that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3488">TS</a>]

00:58:11   used to use the brace hump of the eye [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3491">TS</a>]

00:58:13   but like in college and like as I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3493">TS</a>]

00:58:15   teaching myself how to program and going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3495">TS</a>]

00:58:17   through college like I used that style [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3497">TS</a>]

00:58:18   and then my first job you strictly KN [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3498">TS</a>]

00:58:21   our style and they just like broke me of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3501">TS</a>]

00:58:23   that habit and then that became my style [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3503">TS</a>]

00:58:25   anyway well we can all agree tabs versus [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3505">TS</a>]

00:58:28   spaces it doesn't really matter but the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3508">TS</a>]

00:58:31   right answer spaces unless you use two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3511">TS</a>]

00:58:34   spaces in which case you're an animal I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3514">TS</a>]

00:58:36   think I could probably get behind that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3516">TS</a>]

00:58:39   Spencer Holbrook writes in what low [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3519">TS</a>]

00:58:41   level part of Apple stack would you like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3521">TS</a>]

00:58:43   to see replaced next hfs+ day a PFS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3523">TS</a>]

00:58:46   Objective C to Swift OpenGL to metal etc [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3526">TS</a>]

00:58:48   I think I'm most anxious and most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3528">TS</a>]

00:58:52   interested in HFS+ to a PFS and I can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3532">TS</a>]

00:58:56   think of another example if top my head [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3536">TS</a>]

00:58:57   I'm sure John you'll probably have one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3537">TS</a>]

00:58:58   but none of these are really rev my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3538">TS</a>]

00:59:02   engine that much sorry John markula [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3542">TS</a>]

00:59:04   asking you what you want to see replace [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3544">TS</a>]

00:59:06   next they listed a bunch of ones they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3546">TS</a>]

00:59:07   already doing I'm so following all of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3547">TS</a>]

00:59:10   that oh yeah wish list I don't even know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3550">TS</a>]

00:59:14   I'd have to think about that I'm not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3554">TS</a>]

00:59:16   sure to be honest I'll pass on this one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3556">TS</a>]

00:59:18   Marco what do you think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3558">TS</a>]

00:59:19   yeah I'm sure John's gonna have the best [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3559">TS</a>]

00:59:21   answers here but thank you for going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3561">TS</a>]

00:59:24   me first I don't have to follow him my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3564">TS</a>]

00:59:26   boring answers are basically I have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3566">TS</a>]

00:59:28   it's like if the if the API framework or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3568">TS</a>]

00:59:32   if the UI framework is is the correct [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3572">TS</a>]

00:59:34   level for this question I would love to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3574">TS</a>]

00:59:37   see what surpasses app kit on the Mac if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3577">TS</a>]

00:59:40   ever oh that's a good one actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3580">TS</a>]

00:59:41   that's very good that's not low level so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3581">TS</a>]

00:59:44   if you go a little bit lower level what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3584">TS</a>]

00:59:45   I would also like to see is another [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3585">TS</a>]

00:59:47   thing on the Mac actually I would like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3587">TS</a>]

00:59:49   to see Mac sandbox and completely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3589">TS</a>]

00:59:51   rethought and matured and a rethinking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3591">TS</a>]

00:59:54   of the Mac security model with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3594">TS</a>]

00:59:56   so like basically bringing a more I Oh s [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3596">TS</a>]

00:59:56   so like basically bringing a more I Oh s [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3596">TS</a>]

01:00:00   like sandboxing environment to the Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3600">TS</a>]

01:00:02   so it's so to do things like you could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3602">TS</a>]

01:00:04   you could knowingly safely install an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3604">TS</a>]

01:00:07   application and then delete that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3607">TS</a>]

01:00:09   application and know that everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3609">TS</a>]

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01:00:27   and they they did like the most bare [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3627">TS</a>]

01:00:30   bones basic version and then just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3630">TS</a>]

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01:00:47   there's a better balance to be struck [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3647">TS</a>]

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01:05:09   mean there's there's not a whole lot to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3909">TS</a>]

01:05:11   say on it this is so they're talking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3911">TS</a>]

01:05:13   about like how I switched a few months [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3913">TS</a>]

01:05:14   ago to selling my own direct ads and now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3914">TS</a>]

01:05:19   they're entirely for podcast that first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3919">TS</a>]

01:05:21   it was like for podcasts and or websites [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3921">TS</a>]

01:05:23   the podcasts have been buying them so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3923">TS</a>]

01:05:26   much that I actually recently stopped [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3926">TS</a>]

01:05:29   selling them for anything that's not a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3929">TS</a>]

01:05:30   podcast that the capability is still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3930">TS</a>]

01:05:32   there if I choose to use it later but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3932">TS</a>]

01:05:34   don't think I will need to for a while I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3934">TS</a>]

01:05:37   worked out some various like pricing and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3937">TS</a>]

01:05:40   inventory level tweaks over the last few [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3940">TS</a>]

01:05:42   months just working out like how should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3942">TS</a>]

01:05:45   these things be priced how many should I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3945">TS</a>]

01:05:47   have any category what should the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3947">TS</a>]

01:05:48   categories even be but I think it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3948">TS</a>]

01:05:51   pretty stable now it's and and it's it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3951">TS</a>]

01:05:53   making good money it's making something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3953">TS</a>]

01:05:56   like ten times what I was making from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3956">TS</a>]

01:05:58   Google ad whatever their AdMob that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3958">TS</a>]

01:06:01   what it does the other the mobile app [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3961">TS</a>]

01:06:02   thing so it's going great and I as long [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3962">TS</a>]

01:06:05   as this continues to sell at all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3965">TS</a>]

01:06:07   reasonably I don't see myself changing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3967">TS</a>]

01:06:10   the model any time soon from your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3970">TS</a>]

01:06:12   analytics or whatever you've got running [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3972">TS</a>]

01:06:14   against these ads does it seem like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3974">TS</a>]

01:06:16   they're working like obviously they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3976">TS</a>]

01:06:18   working in the sense that your ki you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3978">TS</a>]

01:06:19   keep selling them but are they working [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3979">TS</a>]

01:06:21   in the sense that it seems like they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3981">TS</a>]

01:06:22   pushing subscriptions to to shows and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3982">TS</a>]

01:06:24   all that yeah I mean I have that info [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3984">TS</a>]

01:06:27   and I share that like the advertisers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3987">TS</a>]

01:06:28   when you buy an ad they see in their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3988">TS</a>]

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01:06:35   many subscriptions it has gotten they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/3995">TS</a>]

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01:06:48   within a certain range the the challenge [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4008">TS</a>]

01:06:52   in pricing these ads is not trying to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4012">TS</a>]

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01:06:56   avoid the temptation to raise prices [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4016">TS</a>]

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01:07:28   know certain time spans or like a year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4048">TS</a>]

01:07:30   or two its ends up being like you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4050">TS</a>]

01:07:32   five bucks something like that right and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4052">TS</a>]

01:07:34   so I thought if I keep the prices [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4054">TS</a>]

01:07:36   between one and two dollars that that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4056">TS</a>]

01:07:37   keeps it you know pretty good pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4057">TS</a>]

01:07:39   compelling for most people but certain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4059">TS</a>]

01:07:41   categories like like business business [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4061">TS</a>]

01:07:44   podcasts are huge first of all like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4064">TS</a>]

01:07:46   that's huge market for like business you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4066">TS</a>]

01:07:48   know tips and tricks and writing books [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4068">TS</a>]

01:07:50   and everything and many of them monetize [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4070">TS</a>]

01:07:52   not just by ads but by selling you books [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4072">TS</a>]

01:07:55   e-books conferences seminars you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4075">TS</a>]

01:07:59   stuff like that so they might have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4079">TS</a>]

01:08:01   very different valuation of what a new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4081">TS</a>]

01:08:03   subscriber is worth to them and so and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4083">TS</a>]

01:08:06   and this is true of many many of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4086">TS</a>]

01:08:07   different different you know categories [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4087">TS</a>]

01:08:10   of podcasts and and some of them the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4090">TS</a>]

01:08:12   people don't care what Ana listeners [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4092">TS</a>]

01:08:14   worth them they just want dates and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4094">TS</a>]

01:08:15   listeners and they have a new show maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4095">TS</a>]

01:08:16   and they want to know when I get it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4096">TS</a>]

01:08:18   basically going from zero and so they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4098">TS</a>]

01:08:20   use the ads for that if you look at it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4100">TS</a>]

01:08:22   purely as like how should I price these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4102">TS</a>]

01:08:25   in in terms of like pure demand they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4105">TS</a>]

01:08:28   keep selling out so I should price them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4108">TS</a>]

01:08:30   way higher but if I price them higher [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4110">TS</a>]

01:08:32   we're gonna start getting into numbers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4112">TS</a>]

01:08:34   that that if you think about the numbers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4114">TS</a>]

01:08:36   if you run the numbers of like what is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4116">TS</a>]

01:08:37   listener worth it starts not to make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4117">TS</a>]

01:08:39   sense for a lot of people so I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4119">TS</a>]

01:08:41   want to breach that level so basically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4121">TS</a>]

01:08:43   the answer is I think I even could make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4123">TS</a>]

01:08:45   more money from it if I tried to but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4125">TS</a>]

01:08:47   would be afraid if I did that that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4127">TS</a>]

01:08:49   would that I would have would have like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4129">TS</a>]

01:08:52   a brief period of making more money [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4132">TS</a>]

01:08:53   followed by a crash [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4133">TS</a>]

01:08:55   as a lot of advertisers started seeing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4135">TS</a>]

01:08:57   you know this actually isn't worth what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4137">TS</a>]

01:08:58   I'm paying for these users and starts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4138">TS</a>]

01:09:00   bailing out so I want to keep it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4140">TS</a>]

01:09:01   reasonable so that I have the most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4141">TS</a>]

01:09:02   advertisers as possible but you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4142">TS</a>]

01:09:04   besides that that minor concern which i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4144">TS</a>]

01:09:06   think is largely alleviated now by just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4146">TS</a>]

01:09:08   time and stability it's going great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4148">TS</a>]

01:09:12   it really is going great and it's one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4152">TS</a>]

01:09:14   the only advertising things I've ever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4154">TS</a>]

01:09:15   seen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4155">TS</a>]

01:09:16   where basically all the parties win you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4156">TS</a>]

01:09:20   know because I'm not showing you ads for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4160">TS</a>]

01:09:22   Viagra of mattresses like I'm showing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4162">TS</a>]

01:09:24   you ads for podcasts in categories that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4164">TS</a>]

01:09:28   you subscribe to while you're using a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4168">TS</a>]

01:09:30   podcast app in a way that respects your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4170">TS</a>]

01:09:32   privacy that isn't a huge burden that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4172">TS</a>]

01:09:35   doesn't get in your way that like it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4175">TS</a>]

01:09:37   great setup and you know it this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4177">TS</a>]

01:09:40   obviously is not a method that every app [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4180">TS</a>]

01:09:42   can do so it's not like I'm not saying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4182">TS</a>]

01:09:45   like every app should monetize the way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4185">TS</a>]

01:09:46   I've monetized because well you simply [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4186">TS</a>]

01:09:48   can't it doesn't apply but for what I am [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4188">TS</a>]

01:09:51   doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4191">TS</a>]

01:09:52   it's working great and I have I have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4192">TS</a>]

01:09:55   more advertisers who want to buy ads [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4195">TS</a>]

01:09:58   than I have inventory to sell them and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4198">TS</a>]

01:10:00   that's wonderful that's really awesome [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4200">TS</a>]

01:10:03   John any additional thoughts on that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4203">TS</a>]

01:10:05   nope [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4205">TS</a>]

01:10:06   all right Edgar Perez writes in and this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4206">TS</a>]

01:10:10   is the first one that I noticed in this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4210">TS</a>]

01:10:12   context but I've seen this come up a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4212">TS</a>]

01:10:14   particularly after our one Pastore [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4214">TS</a>]

01:10:16   discussion and he writes to say I agree [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4216">TS</a>]

01:10:19   the $3 a month for an app service is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4219">TS</a>]

01:10:20   reasonable but what if all the apps I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4220">TS</a>]

01:10:22   use monthly want $3 a month can't let [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4222">TS</a>]

01:10:24   apps kill the Mac I understand what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4224">TS</a>]

01:10:28   people are driving out and again Edgar [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4228">TS</a>]

01:10:29   isn't the first person to say this you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4229">TS</a>]

01:10:30   know if every app I use is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4230">TS</a>]

01:10:32   subscription Apple suddenly I won't be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4232">TS</a>]

01:10:33   able to afford anything anymore and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4233">TS</a>]

01:10:36   get that but I I think in my eyes if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4236">TS</a>]

01:10:41   everything I used became a subscription [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4241">TS</a>]

01:10:44   I would either change my usage or I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4244">TS</a>]

01:10:46   would pay for it all and I don't it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4246">TS</a>]

01:10:49   since we're now deep into the second [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4249">TS</a>]

01:10:52   episode I don't remember if it was this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4252">TS</a>]

01:10:53   episode of last week we talked about ad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4253">TS</a>]

01:10:55   blockers I think it was last week which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4255">TS</a>]

01:10:56   was really two hours ago I had talked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4256">TS</a>]

01:10:58   about ad blockers and how you know Marco [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4258">TS</a>]

01:11:00   you were saying well if the Nant blocker [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4260">TS</a>]

01:11:02   shows up then I'll just leave and I just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4262">TS</a>]

01:11:04   won't read that content it was this one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4264">TS</a>]

01:11:06   peeler [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4266">TS</a>]

01:11:06   no wasn't this one okay thanks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4266">TS</a>]

01:11:09   I'm getting tired it's nearly midnight [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4269">TS</a>]

01:11:11   but anyway so point being you know I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4271">TS</a>]

01:11:14   think it's a similar thing so like for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4274">TS</a>]

01:11:16   me and this is just for Casey it may not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4276">TS</a>]

01:11:18   be for others but for me I absolutely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4278">TS</a>]

01:11:20   will pay for one password and I will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4280">TS</a>]

01:11:22   absolutely pay for day one but maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4282">TS</a>]

01:11:24   your you know the the listener here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4284">TS</a>]

01:11:26   maybe your a day one user but you don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4286">TS</a>]

01:11:28   love it you just kind of like it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4288">TS</a>]

01:11:30   maybe it's not worth paying for in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4290">TS</a>]

01:11:33   regular basis so you just stop using day [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4293">TS</a>]

01:11:35   one and use Apple notes or something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4295">TS</a>]

01:11:37   like that that's okay that's an option [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4297">TS</a>]

01:11:39   like that will work in life will go on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4299">TS</a>]

01:11:42   but I don't know that's just the way I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4302">TS</a>]

01:11:44   look at it John what do you think if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4304">TS</a>]

01:11:47   had remembered back to actual last week [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4307">TS</a>]

01:11:49   I address this on the 1password episode [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4309">TS</a>]

01:11:52   I said look not every I did it from the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4312">TS</a>]

01:11:54   perspective of an app developer not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4314">TS</a>]

01:11:55   every app can sustain subscription [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4315">TS</a>]

01:11:57   pricing your app has to be valuable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4317">TS</a>]

01:11:59   enough to enough people to sustain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4319">TS</a>]

01:12:01   subscription price and so I don't think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4321">TS</a>]

01:12:02   there's any fear that every single app [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4322">TS</a>]

01:12:05   is going to be you know three dollars a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4325">TS</a>]

01:12:07   month because there are app categories [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4327">TS</a>]

01:12:09   entire categories let alone individual [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4329">TS</a>]

01:12:11   apps that can't sustain it but they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4331">TS</a>]

01:12:13   don't deliver that much value to people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4333">TS</a>]

01:12:15   so you have to you have to know your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4335">TS</a>]

01:12:18   application and your marker to say is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4338">TS</a>]

01:12:19   any are enough people willing to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4339">TS</a>]

01:12:21   subscribe to this people probably aren't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4341">TS</a>]

01:12:24   gonna pay three dollars a month for a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4344">TS</a>]

01:12:25   far nap all right even if you have new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4345">TS</a>]

01:12:27   parts released every month like they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4347">TS</a>]

01:12:29   they're a whole you know you have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4349">TS</a>]

01:12:31   turn you'd have to turn into like a free [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4351">TS</a>]

01:12:33   for free-to-play you know casino [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4353">TS</a>]

01:12:36   gambling exploit human nature type [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4356">TS</a>]

01:12:38   service to get that and then it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4358">TS</a>]

01:12:39   different kind of app entirely right so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4359">TS</a>]

01:12:40   I this is a fear that I don't think is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4360">TS</a>]

01:12:42   real thing if you're a customer this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4362">TS</a>]

01:12:45   will take care of itself don't like get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4365">TS</a>]

01:12:46   the price don't buy it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4366">TS</a>]

01:12:47   right and from a developer's perspective [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4367">TS</a>]

01:12:49   if you don't want to be on the losing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4369">TS</a>]

01:12:51   end of that problem taking care of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4371">TS</a>]

01:12:52   itself you should know you know if if we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4372">TS</a>]

01:12:56   can't develop this without subscription [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4376">TS</a>]

01:12:59   pricing make sure that it is valuable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4379">TS</a>]

01:13:01   enough to enough people to justify [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4381">TS</a>]

01:13:03   subscription pricing game one password [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4383">TS</a>]

01:13:04   certainly is because a lot of people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4384">TS</a>]

01:13:06   find it a very valuable thing and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4386">TS</a>]

01:13:08   want it to work on an ongoing basis and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4388">TS</a>]

01:13:09   they understand the ongoing maintenance [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4389">TS</a>]

01:13:11   costs and they're willing to pay for it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4391">TS</a>]

01:13:13   but you're far adapt might not be so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4393">TS</a>]

01:13:15   would say don't worry about this too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4395">TS</a>]

01:13:17   much and if you don't want to pay for a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4397">TS</a>]

01:13:18   subscription don't pay for it I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4398">TS</a>]

01:13:21   every time so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4401">TS</a>]

01:13:22   pricing comes up people bring up this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4402">TS</a>]

01:13:24   issue of what's gonna happen when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4404">TS</a>]

01:13:28   everything subscription and everyone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4408">TS</a>]

01:13:29   gets tired of it and stops paying for it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4409">TS</a>]

01:13:32   you know it's not something like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4412">TS</a>]

01:13:32   yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4412">TS</a>]

01:13:33   the idea of subscription fatigue and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4413">TS</a>]

01:13:37   know we've been able to charge [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4417">TS</a>]

01:13:38   subscription prices now for a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4418">TS</a>]

01:13:40   while and there's that's just not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4420">TS</a>]

01:13:42   happening like I have not seen any sign [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4422">TS</a>]

01:13:44   that that's happening I think this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4424">TS</a>]

01:13:46   one of those things that the market just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4426">TS</a>]

01:13:47   sorts out itself you know like John said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4427">TS</a>]

01:13:49   like most apps aren't willing to or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4429">TS</a>]

01:13:52   sorry most customers aren't willing to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4432">TS</a>]

01:13:54   pay for most of their apps but there are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4434">TS</a>]

01:13:57   they wouldn't be buying a $36 a year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4437">TS</a>]

01:14:01   upgrade either instead of paying $3 a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4441">TS</a>]

01:14:04   month like the fact is most apps have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4444">TS</a>]

01:14:07   lot of competition and aren't that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4447">TS</a>]

01:14:09   necessary for most people so they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4449">TS</a>]

01:14:11   gonna have a hard time matter how they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4451">TS</a>]

01:14:12   charge but the apps that are that are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4452">TS</a>]

01:14:14   really valuable to people that are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4454">TS</a>]

01:14:16   difficult for people to go without or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4456">TS</a>]

01:14:19   they're required for them to do their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4459">TS</a>]

01:14:20   work or whatever else or that appeal to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4460">TS</a>]

01:14:22   markets that don't care about spending 3 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4462">TS</a>]

01:14:24   dollars a month they can do this just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4464">TS</a>]

01:14:26   fine I don't think the whole like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4466">TS</a>]

01:14:29   slippery slope argument is like once [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4469">TS</a>]

01:14:31   what's all the apps go this way no one's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4471">TS</a>]

01:14:32   gonna want to pay any more I just don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4472">TS</a>]

01:14:35   think it's happening like I think we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4475">TS</a>]

01:14:37   wouldn't we would have seen that by now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4477">TS</a>]

01:14:39   we would have seen that at least [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4479">TS</a>]

01:14:40   starting and it's just not most apps are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4480">TS</a>]

01:14:43   not even trying to charge subscription [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4483">TS</a>]

01:14:46   rates and the ones that are mostly do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4486">TS</a>]

01:14:49   okay I agree [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4489">TS</a>]

01:14:52   dude done writes in is it technically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4492">TS</a>]

01:14:54   possible for Apple to make second gen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4494">TS</a>]

01:14:55   airpot noise-canceling or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4495">TS</a>]

01:14:57   noise-isolating I really really want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4497">TS</a>]

01:14:59   that I don't see why not I think the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4499">TS</a>]

01:15:02   problem with that is it's even more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4502">TS</a>]

01:15:03   processing to be done thus even more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4503">TS</a>]

01:15:05   battery usage but I mean at this point I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4505">TS</a>]

01:15:07   don't know that it would be a tremendous [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4507">TS</a>]

01:15:09   difference and certainly noise-isolating [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4509">TS</a>]

01:15:12   I mean they could change the look of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4512">TS</a>]

01:15:14   what of these things and change where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4514">TS</a>]

01:15:16   they sit within your ear but I don't see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4516">TS</a>]

01:15:19   any reason why I wouldn't work Marco I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4519">TS</a>]

01:15:21   mean you basically got I mean the noise [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4521">TS</a>]

01:15:24   cancellation requires a microphone on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4524">TS</a>]

01:15:26   the outside and then DSP on the inside [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4526">TS</a>]

01:15:29   to basically emit sound waves on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4529">TS</a>]

01:15:32   inside but in you know mixed into your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4532">TS</a>]

01:15:34   sound [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4534">TS</a>]

01:15:35   that will cancel out by phase of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4535">TS</a>]

01:15:38   wave that will cancel out the waves of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4538">TS</a>]

01:15:40   the ones coming in from the outside [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4540">TS</a>]

01:15:41   world so there's nothing stopping them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4541">TS</a>]

01:15:43   from doing that as far as I know in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4543">TS</a>]

01:15:45   harbor they have now or you know in that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4545">TS</a>]

01:15:48   style of hardware they have now rather [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4548">TS</a>]

01:15:49   but that wouldn't be very useful without [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4549">TS</a>]

01:15:52   better isolation and isolation is right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4552">TS</a>]

01:15:55   now where they really fall down you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4555">TS</a>]

01:15:58   and that doesn't require any circuitry [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4558">TS</a>]

01:15:59   that requires physical barriers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4559">TS</a>]

01:16:01   basically of you know literally just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4561">TS</a>]

01:16:02   isolating you from the world around you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4562">TS</a>]

01:16:04   and to do that you know right now they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4564">TS</a>]

01:16:07   are ear buds and bloody ear buds are our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4567">TS</a>]

01:16:09   little drivers that sit kind of kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4569">TS</a>]

01:16:12   inside your ears but there are more like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4572">TS</a>]

01:16:14   resting in a little Kirby spot in your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4574">TS</a>]

01:16:16   ear they're not really blocking your ear [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4576">TS</a>]

01:16:18   canal at all there are other types like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4578">TS</a>]

01:16:21   canal phones that or you know in-ear [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4581">TS</a>]

01:16:23   monitors they're all they're also called [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4583">TS</a>]

01:16:25   that actually block your whole ear canal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4585">TS</a>]

01:16:27   with some kind of like big like rubber [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4587">TS</a>]

01:16:29   cone thing or something like that and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4589">TS</a>]

01:16:31   they they physically block the sound [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4591">TS</a>]

01:16:34   from getting into your ears larger over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4594">TS</a>]

01:16:36   ear headphones have a similar effect but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4596">TS</a>]

01:16:39   with they just they they cup over your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4599">TS</a>]

01:16:42   ears as if you're putting your hands [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4602">TS</a>]

01:16:43   over your ears and block the sound it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4603">TS</a>]

01:16:44   that way either way you're physically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4604">TS</a>]

01:16:46   blocking the sound from getting there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4606">TS</a>]

01:16:48   for the ear pot or started for the air [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4608">TS</a>]

01:16:50   pods or your pods to do that they would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4610">TS</a>]

01:16:53   have to have a totally different shape [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4613">TS</a>]

01:16:55   that would actually like block your ear [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4615">TS</a>]

01:16:58   canal and be more like canal phones or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4618">TS</a>]

01:17:01   they would have to have some kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4621">TS</a>]

01:17:02   like you know coating or cover you could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4622">TS</a>]

01:17:05   put on them some kind of accessory that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4625">TS</a>]

01:17:06   you can put on them to do that although [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4626">TS</a>]

01:17:08   I think they would ideally they would be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4628">TS</a>]

01:17:10   designed for this from the start [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4630">TS</a>]

01:17:12   so that there's no there's nothing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4632">TS</a>]

01:17:14   stopping Apple from releasing air pod [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4634">TS</a>]

01:17:16   canal phones but it's it's a different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4636">TS</a>]

01:17:19   style of product it has it's a whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4639">TS</a>]

01:17:22   different shape it's a whole different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4642">TS</a>]

01:17:23   set of constraints and design goals [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4643">TS</a>]

01:17:25   you'd have to have for it I don't expect [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4645">TS</a>]

01:17:28   they would do that probably at all but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4648">TS</a>]

01:17:32   if they do it would probably be a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4652">TS</a>]

01:17:33   separate product it probably would not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4653">TS</a>]

01:17:34   just be like air pods - now they block [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4654">TS</a>]

01:17:37   your whole ear canal it would probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4657">TS</a>]

01:17:39   be like here's the new you know air [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4659">TS</a>]

01:17:41   canals or you know whatever it they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4661">TS</a>]

01:17:43   would have a better name than that but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4663">TS</a>]

01:17:44   it would probably be a separate product [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4664">TS</a>]

01:17:46   because that's a very separate physical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4666">TS</a>]

01:17:48   design of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4668">TS</a>]

01:17:48   products let's just work on Apple being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4668">TS</a>]

01:17:51   able to ship air pods in a reasonable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4671">TS</a>]

01:17:53   time worried about adding features thick [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4673">TS</a>]

01:17:55   burn yeah and I also would not spend too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4675">TS</a>]

01:18:00   much time waiting around for the air pod [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4680">TS</a>]

01:18:01   two's yeah air pods - whatever they like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4681">TS</a>]

01:18:04   I don't think Apple was updating the air [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4684">TS</a>]

01:18:06   pods anytime soon probably right about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4686">TS</a>]

01:18:09   that Alex s glum SAS writes in to say if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4689">TS</a>]

01:18:15   you could make a single change to Swift [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4695">TS</a>]

01:18:17   what would it be I will say that even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4697">TS</a>]

01:18:20   though it's probably not the biggest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4700">TS</a>]

01:18:23   thing in the world what I really love to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4703">TS</a>]

01:18:25   see is reflection and I've talked about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4705">TS</a>]

01:18:27   this from time to time reflection or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4707">TS</a>]

01:18:29   introspection means at runtime you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4709">TS</a>]

01:18:31   look at an object in code and say you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4711">TS</a>]

01:18:32   know what are the properties it has one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4712">TS</a>]

01:18:34   of the methods it has and and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4714">TS</a>]

01:18:36   typically along with that you'll see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4716">TS</a>]

01:18:38   annotations which are attributes in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4718">TS</a>]

01:18:41   c-sharp world which means you can kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4721">TS</a>]

01:18:44   of decorate your code with metadata [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4724">TS</a>]

01:18:45   which is also super useful I could go on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4725">TS</a>]

01:18:48   and on and on about this but it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4728">TS</a>]

01:18:49   terribly interesting so I'll just say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4729">TS</a>]

01:18:51   reflection with a bonus choice of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4731">TS</a>]

01:18:54   stealing Marcos thought earlier of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4734">TS</a>]

01:18:57   better concurrency model so since I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4737">TS</a>]

01:19:00   stolen your obvious answer Marco what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4740">TS</a>]

01:19:02   would you say have two versions oh I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4742">TS</a>]

01:19:04   don't really have a good answer this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4744">TS</a>]

01:19:06   question because I don't know enough [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4746">TS</a>]

01:19:08   about Swift because of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4748">TS</a>]

01:19:09   aforementioned factors I don't use it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4749">TS</a>]

01:19:11   really enough so I really am not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4751">TS</a>]

01:19:13   qualified to say John so if a single [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4753">TS</a>]

01:19:18   change if concurrency counts as a single [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4758">TS</a>]

01:19:20   chain so just solve concurrency the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4760">TS</a>]

01:19:23   solution of your choosing either a good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4763">TS</a>]

01:19:25   imitation of async/await there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4765">TS</a>]

01:19:26   something entirely different or whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4766">TS</a>]

01:19:27   that would be my single thing but it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4767">TS</a>]

01:19:29   kind of vague if I have to be narrow I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4769">TS</a>]

01:19:30   would say I would say regular expression [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4770">TS</a>]

01:19:32   literals but you know no way both of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4772">TS</a>]

01:19:37   those things are coming by the way it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4777">TS</a>]

01:19:38   a question of when Brian Middleton asks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4778">TS</a>]

01:19:41   what arcade games are each of you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4781">TS</a>]

01:19:44   nostalgic for from your childhood is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4784">TS</a>]

01:19:45   there one game you would like to own I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4785">TS</a>]

01:19:48   will start as usual I we actually have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4788">TS</a>]

01:19:50   pinball machine in the house my dad many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4790">TS</a>]

01:19:52   years ago had a had gone through a phase [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4792">TS</a>]

01:19:56   of restore or maybe not restoring but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4796">TS</a>]

01:19:58   repairing old pinball machines and so he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4798">TS</a>]

01:20:01   had like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4801">TS</a>]

01:20:02   six of them at one point but unloaded [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4802">TS</a>]

01:20:04   all but two of them one of which went to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4804">TS</a>]

01:20:06   me and one of what she still has so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4806">TS</a>]

01:20:10   obviously have nostalgia for all those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4810">TS</a>]

01:20:11   but in terms of like traditional arcade [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4811">TS</a>]

01:20:14   games [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4814">TS</a>]

01:20:15   NBA Jam cruisin USA and Street Fighter 2 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4815">TS</a>]

01:20:19   I didn't play any of them that much but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4819">TS</a>]

01:20:24   I enjoyed deeply all three of those both [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4824">TS</a>]

01:20:28   in in arcade form and in occasionally in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4828">TS</a>]

01:20:30   console form so I would say those three [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4830">TS</a>]

01:20:32   Marco [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4832">TS</a>]

01:20:34   honestly I hardly went to arcades in my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4834">TS</a>]

01:20:37   childhood we didn't really live that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4837">TS</a>]

01:20:39   close to them and we didn't have a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4839">TS</a>]

01:20:40   of money and so I idea of just going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4840">TS</a>]

01:20:43   there and like blowing like tens of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4843">TS</a>]

01:20:46   dollars maybe like that would be that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4846">TS</a>]

01:20:48   would not really happen in my family but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4848">TS</a>]

01:20:51   wait what I did play a little bit of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4851">TS</a>]

01:20:52   arcade game since I was like a teenager [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4852">TS</a>]

01:20:54   here and there the one I most liked was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4854">TS</a>]

01:20:57   Daytona USA this was during the you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4857">TS</a>]

01:21:00   the mid 90s or so so like the Sega [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4860">TS</a>]

01:21:03   Saturn was coming out and so they they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4863">TS</a>]

01:21:06   had like a few cool games like Virtua [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4866">TS</a>]

01:21:08   Fighter and everything that were coming [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4868">TS</a>]

01:21:09   out with you know alongside of it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4869">TS</a>]

01:21:11   Daytona USA was my favorite one it was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4871">TS</a>]

01:21:13   racing game and it was just you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4873">TS</a>]

01:21:16   basic kind of like NASCAR style I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4876">TS</a>]

01:21:18   I don't know I don't know whatever style [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4878">TS</a>]

01:21:22   uses what appear to be stock cars on a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4882">TS</a>]

01:21:24   round track but that a lot of turns and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4884">TS</a>]

01:21:28   it was a lot of fun but it was $1.00 per [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4888">TS</a>]

01:21:31   play in most arcades so I hardly ever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4891">TS</a>]

01:21:34   played it with the exception of there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4894">TS</a>]

01:21:35   was like I was in some kind of youth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4895">TS</a>]

01:21:37   group and there was one time that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4897">TS</a>]

01:21:39   had a lock-in at a Magic Mountain arcade [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4899">TS</a>]

01:21:41   where we just got everything set to free [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4901">TS</a>]

01:21:44   play might have to play them all night [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4904">TS</a>]

01:21:45   so I play a lot of it Daytona USA for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4905">TS</a>]

01:21:49   one night and that was awesome but other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4909">TS</a>]

01:21:52   than this is kind of a set so we're like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4912">TS</a>]

01:21:54   oh man I hardly ever played Archy really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4914">TS</a>]

01:21:57   John I played a lot of arcade games I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4917">TS</a>]

01:22:00   was thought that a very nice nostalgic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4920">TS</a>]

01:22:02   for it's hard to pick one that I would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4922">TS</a>]

01:22:06   want to own though because in general [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4926">TS</a>]

01:22:07   arcade games back then and I'm assuming [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4927">TS</a>]

01:22:10   still today we're made to take your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4930">TS</a>]

01:22:11   money and so I remember [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4931">TS</a>]

01:22:15   getting lots of you know tokens or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4935">TS</a>]

01:22:17   quarters and feeding them into these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4937">TS</a>]

01:22:19   machines and I think if I owned any of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4939">TS</a>]

01:22:22   them they they would become shallow very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4942">TS</a>]

01:22:25   fast especially the games I'm nostalgic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4945">TS</a>]

01:22:26   about unless you do something like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4946">TS</a>]

01:22:28   centipede or like pac-man or you try to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4948">TS</a>]

01:22:30   make it like the perfect game or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4950">TS</a>]

01:22:31   whatever but uh in a couple of summer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4951">TS</a>]

01:22:34   camps I went through the head arcade [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4954">TS</a>]

01:22:35   games they were either set to free or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4955">TS</a>]

01:22:38   were only 25 cents when instead of 50 or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4958">TS</a>]

01:22:42   whatever and that I played a lot and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4962">TS</a>]

01:22:45   there are some games I got really good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4965">TS</a>]

01:22:46   at like one of them that was Tiger heli [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4966">TS</a>]

01:22:47   which is not top-down vertically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4967">TS</a>]

01:22:52   scrolling shooter thing or 1942 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4972">TS</a>]

01:22:54   similar type of game both of those very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4974">TS</a>]

01:22:57   camp I got really good at those games [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4977">TS</a>]

01:22:58   like that was where you put in one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4978">TS</a>]

01:23:00   quarter and I'd play for a really really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4980">TS</a>]

01:23:01   really long time you know and but even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4981">TS</a>]

01:23:06   then you feel like oh well now I've seen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4986">TS</a>]

01:23:08   the whole game like this is all there is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4988">TS</a>]

01:23:09   to this game and so I really wouldn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4989">TS</a>]

01:23:11   want to own it so I don't think I would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4991">TS</a>]

01:23:13   want to own any machines but most of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4993">TS</a>]

01:23:14   subject for the Star Wars sit-down game [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4994">TS</a>]

01:23:18   afterburner we're just as impressive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/4998">TS</a>]

01:23:20   when it first came out especially with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5000">TS</a>]

01:23:22   the one that you move around inside the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5002">TS</a>]

01:23:23   thing was one of the first 50:57 games I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5003">TS</a>]

01:23:26   can remember the classics centipede [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5006">TS</a>]

01:23:28   Galaga I liked time pilot is that we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5008">TS</a>]

01:23:31   were one called section Z sidearm this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5011">TS</a>]

01:23:33   was a totally weird one that I still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5013">TS</a>]

01:23:35   think was awesome I have all these em [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5015">TS</a>]

01:23:36   name now though so I don't need to own [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5016">TS</a>]

01:23:38   any of the machines nice nuclear Eclipse [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5018">TS</a>]

01:23:42   asks this is John Reese when will you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5022">TS</a>]

01:23:45   record neutral season 2 my official [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5025">TS</a>]

01:23:48   answer is we've been recording it for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5028">TS</a>]

01:23:50   the last like three years and after [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5030">TS</a>]

01:23:52   shows of this show my unofficial answer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5032">TS</a>]

01:23:55   is not soon enough John let's go to you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5035">TS</a>]

01:23:58   first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5038">TS</a>]

01:23:59   well you answered it there's not an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5039">TS</a>]

01:24:00   intro season two you listen to it this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5040">TS</a>]

01:24:02   is it yep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5042">TS</a>]

01:24:03   done and done Krusty the Klown writes do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5043">TS</a>]

01:24:08   you think an iOS laptop would be a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5048">TS</a>]

01:24:10   viable product ie an iBook I was hoping [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5050">TS</a>]

01:24:13   Apple would announced at WWDC but it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5053">TS</a>]

01:24:15   didn't happen isn't that kind of what an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5055">TS</a>]

01:24:17   iPad pro is like I understand well I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5057">TS</a>]

01:24:19   presume that Roger Escobar's person who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5059">TS</a>]

01:24:23   wrote in is is asking you know something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5063">TS</a>]

01:24:25   that has the physical like connected [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5065">TS</a>]

01:24:27   keyboard and screen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5067">TS</a>]

01:24:28   that you can never you know separate the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5068">TS</a>]

01:24:30   two I I feel like an iPad pro is so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5070">TS</a>]

01:24:34   close to there that it's oh it's I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5074">TS</a>]

01:24:36   see really is it not okay okay well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5076">TS</a>]

01:24:40   that's the thing I've never owned an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5080">TS</a>]

01:24:41   iPad pro so so learn me to show me why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5081">TS</a>]

01:24:43   I'm wrong yeah so I I have I've now had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5083">TS</a>]

01:24:45   the 9.7 pro and 10.5 and I keep I keep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5085">TS</a>]

01:24:50   it always in the keyboard cover almost [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5090">TS</a>]

01:24:53   always on the Apple keyboard cover and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5093">TS</a>]

01:24:54   and there are other keyboard covers that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5094">TS</a>]

01:24:56   kind of make it a little bit more laptop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5096">TS</a>]

01:24:57   like but it they're mostly not that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5097">TS</a>]

01:25:00   great for the way some people use it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5100">TS</a>]

01:25:04   I'm one of these people I would use that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5104">TS</a>]

01:25:07   I would buy that product because I oh I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5107">TS</a>]

01:25:09   always want the keyboard the keyboard is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5109">TS</a>]

01:25:12   what made iPad usable for me as simple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5112">TS</a>]

01:25:14   as that like I do occasionally like go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5114">TS</a>]

01:25:17   on the couch and fold the keyboard back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5117">TS</a>]

01:25:19   behind it and try to use it without it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5119">TS</a>]

01:25:21   and I hate it I always end up like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5121">TS</a>]

01:25:22   folding it back out and like trying to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5122">TS</a>]

01:25:23   use on my lap which is awful cuz it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5123">TS</a>]

01:25:25   all floppy and Bailey back weighted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5125">TS</a>]

01:25:27   everything so I would say this is not a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5127">TS</a>]

01:25:31   huge market probably but if they did it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5131">TS</a>]

01:25:36   I would I would certainly buy it that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5136">TS</a>]

01:25:38   way because iOS for me you know part of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5138">TS</a>]

01:25:42   the part of the reason why it feels so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5142">TS</a>]

01:25:43   hobbled to me so often is the lack of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5143">TS</a>]

01:25:46   keyboard when I'm on my phone or when I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5146">TS</a>]

01:25:48   want on iPad without that so like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5148">TS</a>]

01:25:50   that's why formulate the keyboard really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5150">TS</a>]

01:25:52   has made a huge difference for me in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5152">TS</a>]

01:25:53   making iOS on the iPad and making the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5153">TS</a>]

01:25:56   making the iPad worth having and worth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5156">TS</a>]

01:25:59   keeping out in my kitchen all the time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5159">TS</a>]

01:26:01   so a clamshell version of that would be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5161">TS</a>]

01:26:04   welcome but I honestly I would be very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5164">TS</a>]

01:26:07   surprised if they did it John this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5167">TS</a>]

01:26:12   where there would be a viable product [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5172">TS</a>]

01:26:13   and I think it totally would like as iOS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5173">TS</a>]

01:26:15   expands its functionality to solve some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5175">TS</a>]

01:26:17   of the same problems that are currently [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5177">TS</a>]

01:26:18   only or best solved by a Mac today and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5178">TS</a>]

01:26:20   inevitably has to come into that area [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5180">TS</a>]

01:26:22   because it's proved it's a proven form [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5182">TS</a>]

01:26:26   factor people like that form factors [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5186">TS</a>]

01:26:27   just a question of oh can you combine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5187">TS</a>]

01:26:29   that form factor with a bunch of other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5189">TS</a>]

01:26:31   things software and battery life and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5191">TS</a>]

01:26:33   costs and other trade-offs to make a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5193">TS</a>]

01:26:35   compelling product yes you totally can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5195">TS</a>]

01:26:37   yeah I think you could do with iOS today [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5197">TS</a>]

01:26:38   but certainly as iOS continues get more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5198">TS</a>]

01:26:40   sophisticated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5200">TS</a>]

01:26:41   it would be a viable product whether how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5201">TS</a>]

01:26:44   soon Apple will do it I don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5204">TS</a>]

01:26:45   chance rubbage writes and asked more and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5205">TS</a>]

01:26:48   more podcasts are going behind paywalls [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5208">TS</a>]

01:26:50   is it a good idea for Apple to enable a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5210">TS</a>]

01:26:51   tip jar or in-app purchase for podcasts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5211">TS</a>]

01:26:54   I don't see how that could really work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5214">TS</a>]

01:26:57   out especially since it would presumably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5217">TS</a>]

01:26:59   be locked to the Apple podcast app and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5219">TS</a>]

01:27:02   even if you could just magically snap [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5222">TS</a>]

01:27:05   your fingers and make that work across [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5225">TS</a>]

01:27:06   any podcast app anywhere I don't know I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5226">TS</a>]

01:27:08   think it would help the smaller podcast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5228">TS</a>]

01:27:11   but for something like us I don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5231">TS</a>]

01:27:14   that it would me and not to say we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5234">TS</a>]

01:27:16   like sorry that implies that we're like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5236">TS</a>]

01:27:17   a 99 you know percent invisible we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5237">TS</a>]

01:27:19   not that anything either but like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5239">TS</a>]

01:27:21   mid-level if you if we can generously [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5241">TS</a>]

01:27:23   call ourselves that like a mid-level [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5243">TS</a>]

01:27:25   show like this one I don't know that it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5245">TS</a>]

01:27:27   would make a big difference let's go to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5247">TS</a>]

01:27:28   Jon first Apple implementing it is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5248">TS</a>]

01:27:32   problem here because having a way for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5252">TS</a>]

01:27:36   people to do a tip jar and app purchases [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5256">TS</a>]

01:27:38   for podcasts that would be a good thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5258">TS</a>]

01:27:41   because the ability to do more business [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5261">TS</a>]

01:27:44   models more easily lets different shows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5264">TS</a>]

01:27:46   find different ways to fund themselves [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5266">TS</a>]

01:27:47   depends on the show and the audience and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5267">TS</a>]

01:27:49   so forth but having it be Apple thing is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5269">TS</a>]

01:27:51   bad because the you know one of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5271">TS</a>]

01:27:52   great benefits of podcasts is they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5272">TS</a>]

01:27:55   not owned and controlled by a single [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5275">TS</a>]

01:27:56   corporation to the degree that a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5276">TS</a>]

01:27:59   other things are and so I wouldn't want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5279">TS</a>]

01:28:01   Apple to do this because if they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5281">TS</a>]

01:28:04   wildly successful it's a problem and if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5284">TS</a>]

01:28:06   they're not successful then what would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5286">TS</a>]

01:28:07   that was the even the point you don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5287">TS</a>]

01:28:09   allow more business models so I would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5289">TS</a>]

01:28:10   love for there to be standards that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5290">TS</a>]

01:28:13   know the clients would work with across [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5293">TS</a>]

01:28:17   multiple platforms just like RSS is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5297">TS</a>]

01:28:19   standard the clients work with across [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5299">TS</a>]

01:28:20   multiple platforms to distribute [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5300">TS</a>]

01:28:22   podcasts if there was a similar standard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5302">TS</a>]

01:28:25   a similar open cross-platform standard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5305">TS</a>]

01:28:27   for enabling different kind of business [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5307">TS</a>]

01:28:29   models that would be great but guess [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5309">TS</a>]

01:28:30   who's motivated to make such a thing not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5310">TS</a>]

01:28:32   Apple and not a lot of other companies [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5312">TS</a>]

01:28:33   too so Marco I would say also like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5313">TS</a>]

01:28:37   this question starts with the statement [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5317">TS</a>]

01:28:39   more and more podcasts are going behind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5319">TS</a>]

01:28:41   paywalls this sounds like a big trend [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5321">TS</a>]

01:28:43   but I don't think it is much of one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5323">TS</a>]

01:28:45   really I think the only podcasts that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5325">TS</a>]

01:28:48   have actually succeeded in going behind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5328">TS</a>]

01:28:51   paywalls for the most part are the ones [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5331">TS</a>]

01:28:53   that monetize their back catalogue [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5333">TS</a>]

01:28:55   that are they're fairly timeless and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5335">TS</a>]

01:28:57   that you can either use their own it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5337">TS</a>]

01:28:59   possibly paid app or pay for some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5339">TS</a>]

01:29:01   membership to download like archive to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5341">TS</a>]

01:29:04   older episodes but then the current ones [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5344">TS</a>]

01:29:05   are still free that's a way more common [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5345">TS</a>]

01:29:08   thing and even that doesn't work for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5348">TS</a>]

01:29:11   every show like that only works for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5351">TS</a>]

01:29:12   shows that are timeless doesn't wouldn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5352">TS</a>]

01:29:13   work for a show like ours where we talk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5353">TS</a>]

01:29:15   mostly about news you know so it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5355">TS</a>]

01:29:17   that whole but like I don't think a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5357">TS</a>]

01:29:19   of podcasts overall are going behind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5359">TS</a>]

01:29:22   paywalls and in the traditional sense of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5362">TS</a>]

01:29:24   like you can't listen to this unless you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5364">TS</a>]

01:29:27   pay us the fact is that's really hard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5367">TS</a>]

01:29:30   it's really hard to grow an audience if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5370">TS</a>]

01:29:32   you're behind a paywall [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5372">TS</a>]

01:29:33   as I mean you look look around the whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5373">TS</a>]

01:29:35   rest of the web lots of news sites and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5375">TS</a>]

01:29:37   everything I have tried paywalls very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5377">TS</a>]

01:29:40   few have succeeded because of this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5380">TS</a>]

01:29:42   problem and the ones that have have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5382">TS</a>]

01:29:45   these kind of porous pay walls where you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5385">TS</a>]

01:29:47   can get a bunch for free upfront and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5387">TS</a>]

01:29:49   then you may manage to pay us or clear [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5389">TS</a>]

01:29:51   your cookies or you couldn't you have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5391">TS</a>]

01:29:53   pay us to read all of our articles [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5393">TS</a>]

01:29:54   unless you come from Google or Twitter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5394">TS</a>]

01:29:55   like there's like there's all sorts of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5395">TS</a>]

01:29:57   like these holes because pay walls are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5397">TS</a>]

01:30:00   really hard to make work podcasts have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5400">TS</a>]

01:30:02   have survived and thrived and grown all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5402">TS</a>]

01:30:05   this time driven almost entirely by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5405">TS</a>]

01:30:08   advertising the exact same way most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5408">TS</a>]

01:30:10   websites have always funded themselves [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5410">TS</a>]

01:30:12   for all the same reasons that it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5412">TS</a>]

01:30:15   really again it's hard to grow an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5415">TS</a>]

01:30:16   audience if you're making people pay on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5416">TS</a>]

01:30:18   the way in and it's generally easier to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5418">TS</a>]

01:30:23   sell ads than to do that and advertisers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5423">TS</a>]

01:30:26   will typically pay more than your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5426">TS</a>]

01:30:27   audience will so I don't really think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5427">TS</a>]

01:30:30   this is a big problem either a trend [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5430">TS</a>]

01:30:33   that is happening or something that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5433">TS</a>]

01:30:35   really needs to be explored that much so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5435">TS</a>]

01:30:38   that being said if Apple were to enable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5438">TS</a>]

01:30:42   tip jars or in-app purchases for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5442">TS</a>]

01:30:44   podcasts I honestly I have thought about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5444">TS</a>]

01:30:46   doing this in over cast before I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5446">TS</a>]

01:30:47   talked to podcasters about it the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5447">TS</a>]

01:30:49   overall conclusion I have reached is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5449">TS</a>]

01:30:51   that that would be a very messy business [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5451">TS</a>]

01:30:55   to be in and that for the most part [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5455">TS</a>]

01:30:59   podcasters now because there isn't a big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5459">TS</a>]

01:31:02   centralised system run by Apple anywhere [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5462">TS</a>]

01:31:05   else podcasters now have found ways to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5465">TS</a>]

01:31:07   monetize their podcasts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5467">TS</a>]

01:31:08   their own ways they own ways that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5468">TS</a>]

01:31:11   control people have patreon so people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5471">TS</a>]

01:31:14   have memberships and people just do ads [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5474">TS</a>]

01:31:15   like we do some people do some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5475">TS</a>]

01:31:16   combination thereof but the point is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5476">TS</a>]

01:31:18   that no one's involved there is no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5478">TS</a>]

01:31:20   middleman there is no like you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5480">TS</a>]

01:31:22   Apple skimming 30% off the top and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5482">TS</a>]

01:31:25   making everything go through them and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5485">TS</a>]

01:31:26   disallowing everything else like the way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5486">TS</a>]

01:31:28   there was an app's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5488">TS</a>]

01:31:28   you know there is no middleman and like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5488">TS</a>]

01:31:31   when I talk to podcasters when I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5491">TS</a>]

01:31:33   thinking about doing something like this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5493">TS</a>]

01:31:34   in overcast the universal response was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5494">TS</a>]

01:31:37   we don't want anyone else handling our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5497">TS</a>]

01:31:40   money for us we don't want anyone else [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5500">TS</a>]

01:31:42   getting between our audience in us me or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5502">TS</a>]

01:31:44   Apple or anybody else like no one wanted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5504">TS</a>]

01:31:46   that and and I would see like you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5506">TS</a>]

01:31:48   what if I started collecting money and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5508">TS</a>]

01:31:50   just distribute it to you like you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5510">TS</a>]

01:31:52   readability style like would you go for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5512">TS</a>]

01:31:54   that and the universal response was kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5514">TS</a>]

01:31:56   of like yeah I guess I would take the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5516">TS</a>]

01:31:59   money but I wouldn't promote it because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5519">TS</a>]

01:32:01   I would want if I'm gonna promote [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5521">TS</a>]

01:32:02   something I want to promote my own [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5522">TS</a>]

01:32:03   membership thing on my own site or my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5523">TS</a>]

01:32:05   own patreon whatever else like everybody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5525">TS</a>]

01:32:07   wanted to do their own thing with their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5527">TS</a>]

01:32:09   own money and they don't want middle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5529">TS</a>]

01:32:11   people to come in and collect money on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5531">TS</a>]

01:32:13   their behalf like that you're not doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5533">TS</a>]

01:32:15   them a favor of doing that so ultimately [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5535">TS</a>]

01:32:17   I I see why this question is asked and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5537">TS</a>]

01:32:22   it's going to keep being asked like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5542">TS</a>]

01:32:23   every six months for if for the next ten [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5543">TS</a>]

01:32:25   years as everyone thinks about these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5545">TS</a>]

01:32:26   things the podcast but I just don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5546">TS</a>]

01:32:29   think this is really a big problem and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5549">TS</a>]

01:32:33   don't think anybody wants a huge [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5553">TS</a>]

01:32:35   middleman to come in and and get in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5555">TS</a>]

01:32:37   way of between them and their customers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5557">TS</a>]

01:32:39   I'm things like patreon or a middleman [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5559">TS</a>]

01:32:41   as well but they're they're divorced [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5561">TS</a>]

01:32:43   from podcasting there's nothing about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5563">TS</a>]

01:32:44   patreon that has podcast specific so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5564">TS</a>]

01:32:46   it's just a question of like how do you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5566">TS</a>]

01:32:47   find a way to fund the thing that you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5567">TS</a>]

01:32:49   doing and you have all these tool I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5569">TS</a>]

01:32:50   stripe is a you know middleman they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5570">TS</a>]

01:32:52   like if they taking your percentage of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5572">TS</a>]

01:32:54   your transactions they're any good like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5574">TS</a>]

01:32:56   there's always going to be people taking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5576">TS</a>]

01:32:57   a percentage of transactions but in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5577">TS</a>]

01:33:00   world of podcasting it's nice to not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5580">TS</a>]

01:33:02   have or you have to do it this way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5582">TS</a>]

01:33:04   because this is how podcasts are sold [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5584">TS</a>]

01:33:05   you want to use stripe you want to use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5585">TS</a>]

01:33:07   patreon you want to Kickstarter you want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5587">TS</a>]

01:33:09   to solicit donations on your web page [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5589">TS</a>]

01:33:11   and use any one of those services none [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5591">TS</a>]

01:33:13   of those are tied to podcasting and are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5593">TS</a>]

01:33:15   interesting to the podcast ecosystem or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5595">TS</a>]

01:33:18   you know force you to do something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5598">TS</a>]

01:33:20   unlike for example the App Store where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5600">TS</a>]

01:33:21   Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5601">TS</a>]

01:33:22   fully controls how you can pay for your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5602">TS</a>]

01:33:24   how you can collect money for your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5604">TS</a>]

01:33:25   applications yeah Chris Adamson writes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5605">TS</a>]

01:33:28   what streaming services other than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5608">TS</a>]

01:33:30   Netflix do you guys use does siracusa [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5610">TS</a>]

01:33:33   have a country roll subscription so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5613">TS</a>]

01:33:35   actually let's start with John and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5615">TS</a>]

01:33:36   we'll end with me I saw this question I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5616">TS</a>]

01:33:39   was trying to think of I mean I do I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5619">TS</a>]

01:33:40   subscribe to Hulu I subscribed Amazon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5620">TS</a>]

01:33:42   Prime I do not have a crunchyroll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5622">TS</a>]

01:33:44   subscription but I have had one in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5624">TS</a>]

01:33:46   past maybe there's other ones I honestly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5626">TS</a>]

01:33:50   I thought about the other day I should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5630">TS</a>]

01:33:52   catalog all the things have subscribed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5632">TS</a>]

01:33:55   to so I am aware rado crown the line [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5635">TS</a>]

01:33:58   he'll steal style of not having too many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5638">TS</a>]

01:34:01   subscriptions but they've been creeping [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5641">TS</a>]

01:34:03   in like I mean for things like Hulu is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5643">TS</a>]

01:34:05   like oh I want to see The Handmaid's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5645">TS</a>]

01:34:06   Tale so I'll describe to Hulu but now I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5646">TS</a>]

01:34:08   just have a whose description forever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5648">TS</a>]

01:34:10   because I find other shows that I want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5650">TS</a>]

01:34:11   to watch I already watched a good place [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5651">TS</a>]

01:34:13   on there because other things I'm gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5653">TS</a>]

01:34:15   watch on Hulu right this can't continue [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5655">TS</a>]

01:34:18   indefinitely because I will be end up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5658">TS</a>]

01:34:20   you know I gotta add up all those 5 10 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5660">TS</a>]

01:34:22   whatever dollars a month and see what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5662">TS</a>]

01:34:24   their I was HBO well no but that's part [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5664">TS</a>]

01:34:26   of my cable I don't know they've too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5666">TS</a>]

01:34:29   many I guess is my answer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5669">TS</a>]

01:34:30   fair enough Marco for us it's just it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5670">TS</a>]

01:34:35   Netflix and HBO go or now whichever one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5675">TS</a>]

01:34:38   is those two that's it yeah for us it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5678">TS</a>]

01:34:44   Netflix and we are Amazon Prime members [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5684">TS</a>]

01:34:46   by virtue or Prime video members by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5686">TS</a>]

01:34:49   virtue of Amazon Prime [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5689">TS</a>]

01:34:50   oh yeah us to never use it yeah and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5690">TS</a>]

01:34:52   that's the thing like outside of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5692">TS</a>]

01:34:53   Grand Tour we never use it and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5693">TS</a>]

01:34:55   probably would have subscribed to prime [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5695">TS</a>]

01:34:57   video specifically for the Grand Tour [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5697">TS</a>]

01:34:58   and then regretted it because the Grand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5698">TS</a>]

01:34:59   Tour was terrible uh let's see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5699">TS</a>]

01:35:03   exalt rights in do I have a real name [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5703">TS</a>]

01:35:06   here sorry little fancy spreadsheet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5706">TS</a>]

01:35:07   doesn't catch real names as elf ridin [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5707">TS</a>]

01:35:09   rights in I'm standing in the computer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5709">TS</a>]

01:35:11   store in my local mall before Christmas [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5711">TS</a>]

01:35:13   1986 John sell me on a Mac Plus over the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5713">TS</a>]

01:35:16   Apple 2 GS oh the pixels are the size of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5716">TS</a>]

01:35:20   boulders on the Apple 2 GS the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5720">TS</a>]

01:35:22   number of amazing games that are you'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5722">TS</a>]

01:35:24   have to play on the Mac Plus will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5724">TS</a>]

01:35:28   impress any Apple to do yes yes I know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5728">TS</a>]

01:35:29   the 2 GS is color but a the Mac is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5729">TS</a>]

01:35:32   future and B the pixels are tiny [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5732">TS</a>]

01:35:34   and see the Mac has an incredible amount [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5734">TS</a>]

01:35:37   of charm like its there's no contest if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5737">TS</a>]

01:35:40   you have the money as I say if you have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5740">TS</a>]

01:35:43   the means I highly recommend one do not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5743">TS</a>]

01:35:45   do the amplitude yes it is a dead end [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5745">TS</a>]

01:35:47   that was Ferris Bueller by the way all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5747">TS</a>]

01:35:51   right uh Melvin gun latch writes in how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5751">TS</a>]

01:35:55   did you initially meet and what got you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5755">TS</a>]

01:35:57   started making podcast together bits and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5757">TS</a>]

01:36:00   pieces of the story I've been told many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5760">TS</a>]

01:36:02   many many times in the past so I'll try [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5762">TS</a>]

01:36:04   to give the chief summarizer in chief [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5764">TS</a>]

01:36:06   version mark when I met when we were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5766">TS</a>]

01:36:08   little kids [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5768">TS</a>]

01:36:09   your parents or grandparents it isn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5769">TS</a>]

01:36:11   entirely important had a house that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5771">TS</a>]

01:36:14   on a small lake in upstate New York my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5774">TS</a>]

01:36:16   grandparents had a had a different house [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5776">TS</a>]

01:36:18   on the same small lake in upstate New [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5778">TS</a>]

01:36:20   York and we would hang out over the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5780">TS</a>]

01:36:22   summers because basically we're the only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5782">TS</a>]

01:36:24   kids that were there and we kind of fell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5784">TS</a>]

01:36:27   out of touch not an angry way just in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5787">TS</a>]

01:36:28   you know we were kids and we grew up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5788">TS</a>]

01:36:30   kind of way and I think one of us would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5790">TS</a>]

01:36:33   email the other from time to time over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5793">TS</a>]

01:36:35   the years and then shortly after I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5795">TS</a>]

01:36:38   was after we both got married so not too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5798">TS</a>]

01:36:40   terribly long after college one of us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5800">TS</a>]

01:36:43   reached out to the other if I recall [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5803">TS</a>]

01:36:44   correctly each of us blames the other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5804">TS</a>]

01:36:45   for doing this and in both the good way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5805">TS</a>]

01:36:47   and in the haha way but anyway somehow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5807">TS</a>]

01:36:50   or another we fell back in touch and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5810">TS</a>]

01:36:53   we just kind of rekindled our friendship [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5813">TS</a>]

01:36:55   from forever ago so of the people that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5815">TS</a>]

01:36:58   still talk to Marco and are now mutual [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5818">TS</a>]

01:37:01   friend Brad Lawton back who works for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5821">TS</a>]

01:37:03   light there they are my two oldest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5823">TS</a>]

01:37:06   friends that I've known for about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5826">TS</a>]

01:37:07   same amount of time and it's been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5827">TS</a>]

01:37:08   something like 20 years now so fast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5828">TS</a>]

01:37:10   forward to WDC 2011 2012 I forget which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5830">TS</a>]

01:37:14   one it was I want to say was 2011 Marco [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5834">TS</a>]

01:37:17   and I are in line for the keynote and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5837">TS</a>]

01:37:19   forget if John siracusa walked up to us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5839">TS</a>]

01:37:21   or Marco found John but one way or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5841">TS</a>]

01:37:23   another John found us and we found John [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5843">TS</a>]

01:37:26   and we hung out for the rest of the day [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5846">TS</a>]

01:37:28   and then John and I kind of became [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5848">TS</a>]

01:37:29   friendly after that and around the time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5849">TS</a>]

01:37:32   that build and analyze ended in late [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5852">TS</a>]

01:37:35   2012 I guess it was I had started [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5855">TS</a>]

01:37:37   needling Marco about hey we should do a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5857">TS</a>]

01:37:39   car show we should do a car show even if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5859">TS</a>]

01:37:41   nobody listens to it'll still be fun we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5861">TS</a>]

01:37:42   should do a car show spoiler alert [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5862">TS</a>]

01:37:44   nobody listened to it but anyway Marco [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5864">TS</a>]

01:37:47   had the presence of mind to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5867">TS</a>]

01:37:48   say you know hypercritical just ended I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5868">TS</a>]

01:37:50   wonder if John would do it too cuz he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5870">TS</a>]

01:37:52   likes cars and so that's how neutral got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5872">TS</a>]

01:37:54   started and then we would we would as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5874">TS</a>]

01:37:56   three nerds are off to do we would start [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5876">TS</a>]

01:37:59   talking about nerdy stuff after the fact [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5879">TS</a>]

01:38:01   and Marco's similar story had the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5881">TS</a>]

01:38:03   presence of mind to put that on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5883">TS</a>]

01:38:04   Soundcloud which by the time you listen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5884">TS</a>]

01:38:06   to this may not even exist anymore he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5886">TS</a>]

01:38:10   put those episodes on SoundCloud and we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5890">TS</a>]

01:38:11   realized well people actually like when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5891">TS</a>]

01:38:13   we talk about things we sort of know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5893">TS</a>]

01:38:14   about and people are not that interested [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5894">TS</a>]

01:38:16   in us pontificating about cars of which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5896">TS</a>]

01:38:18   we know nothing about so maybe we should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5898">TS</a>]

01:38:21   stop with the car thing and start with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5901">TS</a>]

01:38:23   the tech thing and that's kind of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5903">TS</a>]

01:38:25   super abridged version of how this all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5905">TS</a>]

01:38:26   came to be and so ATP really became a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5906">TS</a>]

01:38:29   thing I think in March of 2013 and here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5909">TS</a>]

01:38:31   we are in the middle of 2017 it's it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5911">TS</a>]

01:38:34   still a thing so let's start with Marco [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5914">TS</a>]

01:38:36   any other thoughts to add and then John [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5916">TS</a>]

01:38:38   after him only that this is now one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5918">TS</a>]

01:38:41   the longest jobs I've ever held [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5921">TS</a>]

01:38:43   instapaper was longer club you I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5923">TS</a>]

01:38:46   taking simple water oh my god well done [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5926">TS</a>]

01:38:50   it was about five years so this we're in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5930">TS</a>]

01:38:53   the were near for now for this does that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5933">TS</a>]

01:38:55   mean does that mean the clock is ticking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5935">TS</a>]

01:38:57   worried no I once I once this becomes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5937">TS</a>]

01:39:01   longest job I've ever held which I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5941">TS</a>]

01:39:03   pretty sure will happen then I will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5943">TS</a>]

01:39:05   celebrate then there enough John any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5945">TS</a>]

01:39:07   other thoughts I continue to protest the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5947">TS</a>]

01:39:10   characterization of not knowing anything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5950">TS</a>]

01:39:11   about cars speak for yourselves I know a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5951">TS</a>]

01:39:14   lot about cars [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5954">TS</a>]

01:39:14   I can't really argue with that alright [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5954">TS</a>]

01:39:22   let's see what else is good and do you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5962">TS</a>]

01:39:27   tape your webcams gentlemen John do you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5967">TS</a>]

01:39:29   put tape over your webcam nope nope same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5969">TS</a>]

01:39:32   here Marco are you still and this is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5972">TS</a>]

01:39:36   question from mark so mark - mark oh are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5976">TS</a>]

01:39:40   you still happy choosing go for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5980">TS</a>]

01:39:41   overcast back end yeah not really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5981">TS</a>]

01:39:44   but so first of all only a very small [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5984">TS</a>]

01:39:47   part of the overcast back end is in go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5987">TS</a>]

01:39:49   most of it is still PHP there's simply a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5989">TS</a>]

01:39:51   separate go process for the feed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5991">TS</a>]

01:39:54   crawlers and they'll even it doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5994">TS</a>]

01:39:56   even do the whole process it just pulls [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5996">TS</a>]

01:39:58   a whole bunch of feeds and fetches their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/5998">TS</a>]

01:40:01   contents for chain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6001">TS</a>]

01:40:02   Changez if they don't report based for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6002">TS</a>]

01:40:04   him with cash headers and then if he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6004">TS</a>]

01:40:07   exchanged feed it then stuffs the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6007">TS</a>]

01:40:09   contents of that feed into a into a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6009">TS</a>]

01:40:11   queue which is processed by PHP [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6011">TS</a>]

01:40:14   consumers and the whole web app is all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6014">TS</a>]

01:40:16   PHP so I would I would not even say I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6016">TS</a>]

01:40:18   have a go back end I have one go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6018">TS</a>]

01:40:20   component in the backend and go is go is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6020">TS</a>]

01:40:23   an interesting language I'm sure a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6023">TS</a>]

01:40:25   of people like it a lot I I like it a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6025">TS</a>]

01:40:27   lot for certain things but it's very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6027">TS</a>]

01:40:29   cumbersome to do complex things so like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6029">TS</a>]

01:40:34   it's really great for what I'm using it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6034">TS</a>]

01:40:35   now for which is like something that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6035">TS</a>]

01:40:38   a fairly simple task but you need to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6038">TS</a>]

01:40:40   really fast you need to have a certain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6040">TS</a>]

01:40:42   concurrency story there but like I would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6042">TS</a>]

01:40:46   not want to write it now that I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6046">TS</a>]

01:40:48   gotten to the language a bit enough to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6048">TS</a>]

01:40:49   do this I would definitely not want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6049">TS</a>]

01:40:51   write a whole web app of complexity you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6051">TS</a>]

01:40:54   can go just because simple things are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6054">TS</a>]

01:40:56   cumbersome to do alright we only have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6056">TS</a>]

01:40:59   time for a few more because I'm about to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6059">TS</a>]

01:41:01   die and so let's choose a few uh oh god [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6061">TS</a>]

01:41:05   I'm so sorry I don't know how to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6065">TS</a>]

01:41:06   pronounce this but Jo Shin Marshall I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6066">TS</a>]

01:41:09   so so sorry how did you how did this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6069">TS</a>]

01:41:12   year's ATP t-shirt campaign work out for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6072">TS</a>]

01:41:14   you I'm happy to share my not so good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6074">TS</a>]

01:41:16   experience this is another example of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6076">TS</a>]

01:41:18   doing something nicely that could have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6078">TS</a>]

01:41:20   taken a terrible turn so the the shirts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6080">TS</a>]

01:41:25   are tough thing right because right now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6085">TS</a>]

01:41:28   we kind of have two choices we can use a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6088">TS</a>]

01:41:32   company that has a printing press if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6092">TS</a>]

01:41:37   will in Europe but doesn't seem to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6097">TS</a>]

01:41:41   the best with fulfillment and often [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6101">TS</a>]

01:41:43   times has problems or we can use a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6103">TS</a>]

01:41:46   company that is only based out of the US [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6106">TS</a>]

01:41:48   which kind of screws the Europeans but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6108">TS</a>]

01:41:51   is way more reliable and we've fluttered [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6111">TS</a>]

01:41:56   back and forth between these two options [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6116">TS</a>]

01:41:57   I will only speak for myself and say I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6117">TS</a>]

01:41:59   will probably petition for the US only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6119">TS</a>]

01:42:02   company next year and understand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6122">TS</a>]

01:42:05   completely if like a $90 t-shirt it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6125">TS</a>]

01:42:08   just too darn much money to ask for from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6128">TS</a>]

01:42:09   the Europeans because in some cases like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6129">TS</a>]

01:42:12   with import tax and v80 or whatever that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6132">TS</a>]

01:42:15   stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6135">TS</a>]

01:42:15   called it got to be unbelievably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6135">TS</a>]

01:42:17   expensive and in and I am deeply sorry [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6137">TS</a>]

01:42:20   for that I really truly am but but I'd [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6140">TS</a>]

01:42:23   rather have everyone have a good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6143">TS</a>]

01:42:25   experience and just decide whether or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6145">TS</a>]

01:42:27   not it's worth the money to them then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6147">TS</a>]

01:42:29   having a really crummy experience so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6149">TS</a>]

01:42:32   this is your warning Europeans right now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6152">TS</a>]

01:42:34   that whenever we do t-shirts next it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6154">TS</a>]

01:42:36   probably gonna be expensive and I am [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6156">TS</a>]

01:42:38   sorry John any other thoughts I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6158">TS</a>]

01:42:41   think it was that bad this year like we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6161">TS</a>]

01:42:45   sold a lot of shirts and there's some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6165">TS</a>]

01:42:46   percentage where there's gonna be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6166">TS</a>]

01:42:47   problems I'm more happy having more the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6167">TS</a>]

01:42:52   larger number of people who are happy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6172">TS</a>]

01:42:54   with the shirts that they got across the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6174">TS</a>]

01:42:56   whole world [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6176">TS</a>]

01:42:56   even if it also means a proportionately [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6176">TS</a>]

01:42:59   larger number of people who are unhappy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6179">TS</a>]

01:43:00   because I'm presuming the only happy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6180">TS</a>]

01:43:02   people can get Raley's get their money [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6182">TS</a>]

01:43:03   back but it is a trade off and we've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6183">TS</a>]

01:43:06   tried it both ways and people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6186">TS</a>]

01:43:08   complaining either way and who knows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6188">TS</a>]

01:43:09   what we'll do the problem is the problem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6189">TS</a>]

01:43:11   is that this is not what you know this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6191">TS</a>]

01:43:12   is not our core competency we are not a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6192">TS</a>]

01:43:14   t-shirt generating enterprise we are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6194">TS</a>]

01:43:16   podcast generating enterprise that once [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6196">TS</a>]

01:43:19   a year does this silly thing with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6199">TS</a>]

01:43:20   t-shirts so the right way to do this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6200">TS</a>]

01:43:21   it's like oh you got to do it all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6201">TS</a>]

01:43:22   in-house but we're not a corporation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6202">TS</a>]

01:43:23   here we're just three people so every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6203">TS</a>]

01:43:26   year these three people try to figure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6206">TS</a>]

01:43:29   out how to do t-shirts in a way that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6209">TS</a>]

01:43:30   makes sense for everybody involved and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6210">TS</a>]

01:43:32   we have varying degrees of success and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6212">TS</a>]

01:43:34   guess what we're gonna try again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6214">TS</a>]

01:43:36   Marco any other thoughts only I'm with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6216">TS</a>]

01:43:40   you Casey and and I would go a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6220">TS</a>]

01:43:43   further to say so so basically you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6223">TS</a>]

01:43:46   I'll name names here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6226">TS</a>]

01:43:47   cotton bureau makes does great work they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6227">TS</a>]

01:43:49   they have their Austin quality they have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6229">TS</a>]

01:43:52   awesome people who are there who help [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6232">TS</a>]

01:43:56   with the designs are often do the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6236">TS</a>]

01:43:57   designs they designed are our ATP [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6237">TS</a>]

01:44:00   rainbow and logo kind of thing like they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6240">TS</a>]

01:44:02   design that themselves without even us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6242">TS</a>]

01:44:03   telling them like they there they are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6243">TS</a>]

01:44:06   they are great they do great work but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6246">TS</a>]

01:44:07   yeah they're international shipping is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6247">TS</a>]

01:44:09   really expensive because they print here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6249">TS</a>]

01:44:10   in the US and and so teespring [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6250">TS</a>]

01:44:13   which is what we use this year and a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6253">TS</a>]

01:44:15   couple years ago also teespring has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6255">TS</a>]

01:44:18   printers in multiple locations around [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6258">TS</a>]

01:44:20   the world we've had lots of problems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6260">TS</a>]

01:44:23   though with teespring [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6263">TS</a>]

01:44:24   so it is cheaper and we actually make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6264">TS</a>]

01:44:27   more money from the teespring shirts you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6267">TS</a>]

01:44:29   I think but I would go as far as to say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6269">TS</a>]

01:44:33   right now on the record I don't think I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6273">TS</a>]

01:44:34   ever want to use teespring again after [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6274">TS</a>]

01:44:36   this year because in the past the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6276">TS</a>]

01:44:38   quality issue was a single large mistake [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6278">TS</a>]

01:44:42   it was like when we had that but that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6282">TS</a>]

01:44:43   wrong font on the source code on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6283">TS</a>]

01:44:45   back of the shirt like that was a single [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6285">TS</a>]

01:44:47   large mistake that we worked with them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6287">TS</a>]

01:44:50   they corrected it they sent everybody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6290">TS</a>]

01:44:52   new shirts it was one mistake one big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6292">TS</a>]

01:44:55   mistake that was fixable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6295">TS</a>]

01:44:56   this year the problem I don't know what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6296">TS</a>]

01:45:00   has changed at each me I know there was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6300">TS</a>]

01:45:01   an article about they were having you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6301">TS</a>]

01:45:02   know layoffs or something so I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6302">TS</a>]

01:45:03   know what's going on over there I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6303">TS</a>]

01:45:04   pay attention but this year it was like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6304">TS</a>]

01:45:07   a large number of different diffuse [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6307">TS</a>]

01:45:10   small problems like even like the shirts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6310">TS</a>]

01:45:13   I ordered I have bad printing on like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6313">TS</a>]

01:45:17   two of the four shirts that I ordered [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6317">TS</a>]

01:45:19   there were things like missing colors [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6319">TS</a>]

01:45:21   things like misalignment where like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6321">TS</a>]

01:45:23   logo was slightly slanted instead of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6323">TS</a>]

01:45:26   being aligned properly like stuff like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6326">TS</a>]

01:45:28   that just a lot of like small diffuse [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6328">TS</a>]

01:45:30   issues with teespring this year that it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6330">TS</a>]

01:45:34   seems like maybe they have more printers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6334">TS</a>]

01:45:36   I don't know what the deal is but it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6336">TS</a>]

01:45:38   the kind of problem that you can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6338">TS</a>]

01:45:39   really just go to them and have them fix [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6339">TS</a>]

01:45:41   you can't go to them and say hey like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6341">TS</a>]

01:45:43   third of these shirts from random color [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6343">TS</a>]

01:45:45   combinations and places are weird in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6345">TS</a>]

01:45:48   different ways and they're all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6348">TS</a>]

01:45:49   inconsistent like they're not gonna be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6349">TS</a>]

01:45:51   able to fix that so I would rather you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6351">TS</a>]

01:45:54   know going back to a key said I would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6354">TS</a>]

01:45:56   rather have a have something that I at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6356">TS</a>]

01:45:58   least know is a good product that is at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6358">TS</a>]

01:46:00   least coming out right and coming out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6360">TS</a>]

01:46:02   you know with high quality even if it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6362">TS</a>]

01:46:05   costs too much for some people to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6365">TS</a>]

01:46:07   able to justify I'd rather sell that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6367">TS</a>]

01:46:09   than to do what we had this year and see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6369">TS</a>]

01:46:12   people sending in pictures of the sure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6372">TS</a>]

01:46:14   that they were so excited to get and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6374">TS</a>]

01:46:16   see like it's missing a color or its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6376">TS</a>]

01:46:18   slant it or it's badly a bad print job [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6378">TS</a>]

01:46:20   bad ink like that crushes me so I cannot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6380">TS</a>]

01:46:24   deal with that again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6384">TS</a>]

01:46:25   so I would not want to do the one duty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6385">TS</a>]

01:46:27   spring anymore and I don't care what it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6387">TS</a>]

01:46:29   does I don't I'd rather not sell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6389">TS</a>]

01:46:31   t-shirts then sell teespring t-shirts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6391">TS</a>]

01:46:32   again yeah I'm pretty similar in that in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6392">TS</a>]

01:46:37   that feeling Marcos since you are just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6397">TS</a>]

01:46:40   talking let's have you talk a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6400">TS</a>]

01:46:41   more why do you do all the ad reads [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6401">TS</a>]

01:46:43   that's my phil cohen by the way I just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6403">TS</a>]

01:46:46   kind of do we never really talked about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6406">TS</a>]

01:46:47   it the way it started with neutral the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6407">TS</a>]

01:46:55   short answer is that that I don't want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6415">TS</a>]

01:46:58   to do them in case you don't want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6418">TS</a>]

01:46:59   doesn't want to do them and Marco does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6419">TS</a>]

01:47:01   them yeah and so neither of us are gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6421">TS</a>]

01:47:03   go hey Marco can we do that thing that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6423">TS</a>]

01:47:06   would neither of us want to do no we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6426">TS</a>]

01:47:07   gonna let Marco so basically it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6427">TS</a>]

01:47:08   because Marco is nice enough to do them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6428">TS</a>]

01:47:10   and Casey and I are nice enough to let [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6430">TS</a>]

01:47:12   him I used to sell them directly myself [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6432">TS</a>]

01:47:18   at the beginning so it started out that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6438">TS</a>]

01:47:20   I was selling them so it just made sense [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6440">TS</a>]

01:47:23   for me to also read them because I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6443">TS</a>]

01:47:24   talking to the sponsors and learning [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6444">TS</a>]

01:47:25   what they wanted me to say and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6445">TS</a>]

01:47:26   everything else these days I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6446">TS</a>]

01:47:28   anybody could do it but yeah I do it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6448">TS</a>]

01:47:31   I don't mind doing it and it's part of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6451">TS</a>]

01:47:32   my workflow and it's totally fine and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6452">TS</a>]

01:47:35   also a part of the thing like this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6455">TS</a>]

01:47:36   true and a lot of relationship [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6456">TS</a>]

01:47:38   situations very often there's one person [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6458">TS</a>]

01:47:41   that cares more about something in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6461">TS</a>]

01:47:42   somebody else and I have a feeling Marco [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6462">TS</a>]

01:47:43   cares more about the ad reads than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6463">TS</a>]

01:47:45   either one of us do so anymore they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6465">TS</a>]

01:47:47   didn't do it the way the way how much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6467">TS</a>]

01:47:48   tweaking he does to the ad copy and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6468">TS</a>]

01:47:51   getting it so that he's happy with it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6471">TS</a>]

01:47:54   III think that is a factor I think if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6474">TS</a>]

01:47:57   either one of us did ad reads we would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6477">TS</a>]

01:47:59   do it in a way that Marco does not find [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6479">TS</a>]

01:48:00   satisfactory definitely that is that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6480">TS</a>]

01:48:02   a good point all right I think this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6482">TS</a>]

01:48:05   going to be the last question and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6485">TS</a>]

01:48:07   it should be a good one a Hans Schrader [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6487">TS</a>]

01:48:09   right saying I'm from Europe could John [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6489">TS</a>]

01:48:11   explain for a foreigner why he is so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6491">TS</a>]

01:48:13   touchy on the subject of bagels no I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6493">TS</a>]

01:48:15   gonna explain to Casey why he should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6495">TS</a>]

01:48:17   select the question that I highlighted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6497">TS</a>]

01:48:18   in yellow in the spreadsheet I can only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6498">TS</a>]

01:48:21   see but so much of the spreadsheet at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6501">TS</a>]

01:48:23   once my word 100 oh I am nowhere near [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6503">TS</a>]

01:48:27   there that's why I skipped it okay so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6507">TS</a>]

01:48:28   the answer the question is the answer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6508">TS</a>]

01:48:30   the question that John is answering is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6510">TS</a>]

01:48:32   there are good bagels and there are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6512">TS</a>]

01:48:34   things that vaguely resembled bagels and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6514">TS</a>]

01:48:37   John and I both have reasons to prefer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6517">TS</a>]

01:48:39   actually so this is a very simple thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6519">TS</a>]

01:48:46   everyone has foods that they growing up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6526">TS</a>]

01:48:48   that are like regional or local to their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6528">TS</a>]

01:48:51   family or whatever but they're nostalgic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6531">TS</a>]

01:48:53   for it's like I want to have the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6533">TS</a>]

01:48:55   that I had when I was a child that's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6535">TS</a>]

01:48:58   thing and bagels like that for me only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6538">TS</a>]

01:49:02   bagels are pretty widely regional to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6542">TS</a>]

01:49:04   New York metro area so I grew up with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6544">TS</a>]

01:49:07   the expectation that I can get bagels [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6547">TS</a>]

01:49:10   that taste in a certain way and pizza [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6550">TS</a>]

01:49:13   tastes a certain way pretty much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6553">TS</a>]

01:49:14   anywhere and as you know a sheltered [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6554">TS</a>]

01:49:18   child who didn't travel too much I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6558">TS</a>]

01:49:19   assume this was true everywhere in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6559">TS</a>]

01:49:21   United States but then when I went off [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6561">TS</a>]

01:49:23   to college I learned this is not true [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6563">TS</a>]

01:49:24   and even a little bit farther north and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6564">TS</a>]

01:49:28   east everything I got that people called [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6568">TS</a>]

01:49:31   a bagel didn't taste like the things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6571">TS</a>]

01:49:32   that I when I was growing up and I'd go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6572">TS</a>]

01:49:34   back to New York and said no they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6574">TS</a>]

01:49:35   still there but nobody else has them and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6575">TS</a>]

01:49:37   same thing with pizza so it's basically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6577">TS</a>]

01:49:39   that's that's why it's important that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6579">TS</a>]

01:49:40   bagels are made a certain way in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6580">TS</a>]

01:49:43   region where I grew up and because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6583">TS</a>]

01:49:46   that's the sort of their entry point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6586">TS</a>]

01:49:48   into the u.s. they have some stake in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6588">TS</a>]

01:49:50   saying this is the way the bagels are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6590">TS</a>]

01:49:51   quote unquote supposed to taste right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6591">TS</a>]

01:49:53   and that I can't get them where I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6593">TS</a>]

01:49:55   currently live so that's why I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6595">TS</a>]

01:49:56   nostalgic for them that's it same thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6596">TS</a>]

01:49:58   with pizza pizza is actually probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6598">TS</a>]

01:49:59   worse than bagels but both of them I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6599">TS</a>]

01:50:01   miss when I was on Long Island I had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6601">TS</a>]

01:50:03   both oops reasonable for me thanks for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6603">TS</a>]

01:50:06   sponsors this week betterment Warby [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6606">TS</a>]

01:50:08   Parker and Squarespace and we will see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6608">TS</a>]

01:50:10   you next week [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6610">TS</a>]

01:50:13   now the show is over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6613">TS</a>]

01:50:16   they didn't even mean to begin because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6616">TS</a>]

01:50:19   it was accidental accidental [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6619">TS</a>]

01:50:25   johnny research Marco and Casey wouldn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6625">TS</a>]

01:50:28   let him [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6628">TS</a>]

01:50:29   because it was accidentally was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6629">TS</a>]

01:50:32   accidental today cas pyl is Esther [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6632">TS</a>]

01:50:49   that's Casey less and a Artem a RM aunty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6649">TS</a>]

01:50:54   Marco Arment and I are a Syracuse [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6654">TS</a>]

01:51:13   all right so the Zelda question is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6673">TS</a>]

01:51:16   one you want John it's the one in yellow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6676">TS</a>]

01:51:18   I mean it's not it's not enough material [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6678">TS</a>]

01:51:21   for an after show but yeah I can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6681">TS</a>]

01:51:23   I have flux on so I can't tell what the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6683">TS</a>]

01:51:25   hell is yellow right oh god I'm blind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6685">TS</a>]

01:51:28   oh god I'm blind the problem say fluxes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6688">TS</a>]

01:51:31   I don't like those things we came to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6691">TS</a>]

01:51:33   tell you yellow all right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6693">TS</a>]

01:51:35   Vincent's covered curved Vincent's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6695">TS</a>]

01:51:38   curved I'll get this one day right so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6698">TS</a>]

01:51:40   what is your what is the status on your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6700">TS</a>]

01:51:42   breath of the wild progression did you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6702">TS</a>]

01:51:43   finish every aspect of the game etc as I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6703">TS</a>]

01:51:46   did with most questions I'll start this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6706">TS</a>]

01:51:47   off I still very much enjoy the game but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6707">TS</a>]

01:51:50   haven't played it in probably like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6710">TS</a>]

01:51:52   month and a half [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6712">TS</a>]

01:51:53   I've just been incredibly busy lately [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6713">TS</a>]

01:51:55   and haven't had a chance to sit down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6715">TS</a>]

01:51:57   with it and also I think we discussed on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6717">TS</a>]

01:51:59   the show at some point I am not very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6719">TS</a>]

01:52:02   good at picking the game up and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6722">TS</a>]

01:52:04   remembering exactly what I was doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6724">TS</a>]

01:52:05   when I put it down so I'll have like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6725">TS</a>]

01:52:07   particular task or mission or thing I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6727">TS</a>]

01:52:09   want to accomplish but sometimes is like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6729">TS</a>]

01:52:11   you know one of the official game tasks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6731">TS</a>]

01:52:14   but sometimes it's like oh I want to go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6734">TS</a>]

01:52:15   and get myself ready for this game test [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6735">TS</a>]

01:52:17   by going across the map and doing such [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6737">TS</a>]

01:52:19   and such thing or whatever the case may [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6739">TS</a>]

01:52:20   be and then I never write it down and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6740">TS</a>]

01:52:22   completely forget and then I get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6742">TS</a>]

01:52:23   frustrated when I pick the game back up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6743">TS</a>]

01:52:25   because I I have no memory and need to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6745">TS</a>]

01:52:27   like reestablish where I am and what I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6747">TS</a>]

01:52:30   doing that's my two cents Marco let's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6750">TS</a>]

01:52:32   talk Adar you playing Zelda at all no I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6752">TS</a>]

01:52:35   don't know okay alright moving on to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6755">TS</a>]

01:52:37   John well Marco can give us a tip update [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6757">TS</a>]

01:52:40   how is she doing it I don't um they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6760">TS</a>]

01:52:42   playing it sometimes I can't tell you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6762">TS</a>]

01:52:44   how far they I have no idea try to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6764">TS</a>]

01:52:46   participate in your family mar going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6766">TS</a>]

01:52:48   down there watch you play your stupid [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6768">TS</a>]

01:52:51   sonic games [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6771">TS</a>]

01:52:53   okay watch sometimes but I have I have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6773">TS</a>]

01:52:55   no idea how to communicate to you how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6775">TS</a>]

01:52:57   far they are alright so for me and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6777">TS</a>]

01:53:02   breath in the wild [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6782">TS</a>]

01:53:03   I don't usually 100% games I have 100% [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6783">TS</a>]

01:53:08   did many Zelda's is that series I play a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6788">TS</a>]

01:53:13   lot I like a lot there's a chance I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6793">TS</a>]

01:53:15   would have a hundred percent did breath [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6795">TS</a>]

01:53:17   of the wild if it wasn't for the co rock [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6797">TS</a>]

01:53:19   seeds I don't think I'm ever going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6799">TS</a>]

01:53:21   just too many of them but i have i'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6801">TS</a>]

01:53:24   coming close to doing every non seed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6804">TS</a>]

01:53:28   thing in the non dlc portion of the game [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6808">TS</a>]

01:53:32   to the point we're also we doing things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6812">TS</a>]

01:53:34   like having every possible armor set [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6814">TS</a>]

01:53:36   also fully upgraded i'm getting close to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6816">TS</a>]

01:53:38   that it's like it was in reach and i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6818">TS</a>]

01:53:39   might end up doing it for the dlc i did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6819">TS</a>]

01:53:43   the the was it trial of the sword i did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6823">TS</a>]

01:53:47   that so i master sword is fully charged [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6827">TS</a>]

01:53:49   up to 260 all the time which is awesome [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6829">TS</a>]

01:53:52   and also lasts so much longer time I did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6832">TS</a>]

01:53:54   all the side quests in the DLC so I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6834">TS</a>]

01:53:56   done everything of a hundred percent of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6836">TS</a>]

01:53:57   the DLC which was tiny or whatever it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6837">TS</a>]

01:53:59   not a big deal and like I said I'm don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6839">TS</a>]

01:54:01   even have all the shrines left I'm in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6841">TS</a>]

01:54:02   the hundreds but I'm within striking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6842">TS</a>]

01:54:06   distance of hundred presenting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6846">TS</a>]

01:54:08   everything in the main game aside from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6848">TS</a>]

01:54:11   the core exceeds [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSCxRoQ/6851">TS</a>]